From talger at PIPELINE.COM Sat Feb 1 00:30:11 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 00:30:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs, Metallica, Pat Boone, Zappa et al In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >Stranger still is the Frank-Zappa-link-to-Pat-Boone-Heavy-Metal (you can >link Frank to everyone, somehow). It's via his son, Dweezil, who >contributes guitar to Pat's album, so I'm informed. (He also contributed >guitar to the last Spinal Tap album, so I guess he's used to playing on >these whacky albums.) > let's not forget Dweezil's better-than-the-original version of the BeeGee's "Staying Alive" with Donny Osmond on vocals.....a masterpiece :-) > >Btw, I saw a clip of Pat Boone on TV recently, and he looked ridiculous >(let's make no bones about it). Pity they never played any of his new >album, though. Maybe it would rank right up there with his crappy Little >Richard covers. > yeah he did look ridiculous (the American Music Awards show, right?) it was almost as bad as Motley Crue's lip-synched performance. Ted Alger ----------------------------------------------------------- That's Army stuff! It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko ----------------------------------------------------------- And we wonder how machines Can steal each others' dreams >From points that are unseen...it's real... - Queensryche ----------------------------------------------------- - Queensr?che From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Feb 1 04:01:55 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 04:01:55 -0500 Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: >Steve opines: > >>Yer nuts, theo! Geddy had the most awesome screech in the history >>of rock music. I haven't been able to listen to Rush ever since >>he toned it down that ear-shredding vox. ;-) > > Is a screech the same as a scream? For the most awesome scream >in rock history, it surely has to be Jim Morrisson (When the musics >over) or Roger Daltrey (Won't get fooled again) Screams? Give me 'Clowns on Fire'.... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Sat Feb 1 04:05:03 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 02:05:03 -0700 Subject: BOC Setlist/Other Stuff Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > >>BTW anybody heard this cd with Pat Boone covering classic rock songs > >>like a lounge lizard? it.... I've heard some of this-it's frightening-"Slow Ride" done as a "croon" Gods no!!! I about broke the steering wheel pounding on it 'cause I was laughing so hard:) > >in fact, used it as a torture device to see if someone could listen to it > >for 4 hours straight to win Metallica tickets... That would be torture-But I'd do it for HW or RUsh tix:) > And if some of you watched the American Music Awards a few days/nights ago, > you might have seen Pat Boone appearing in a black leather jacket, I saw a clip from that-what a scary sight!! Really doesn't work for me!!:) Funny tho! Keep rockin' pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace RJ wrote: > > hi pam. > why not call them directly? I would-but by the time I get up they're probably closed-and the same with after work!!Maybe i'll fax them-cheaper that way!! >SNIP< > I thought this was very helpful!! Thank you!!. apprecate the info!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Chris cites a very good example: >Martyn writes: >>Is a screech the same as a scream? For the most awesome scream >> in rock history, it surely has to be Jim Morrisson (When the musics >> over) or Roger Daltrey (Won't get fooled again) > >Don't forget Roger Waters in "Careful with that axe, Eugene" (or was that >scream real?) Good point. One of my all time favorite tracks. I think it is a real scream: Check out the Pompei (sp?) video. >If you include older guys, Screamin' Jay Hawkins could deliver a righteous >shriek >as well (hence the name!). I think Morrison, Daltrey, and Waters are part of the older generation. Never heard of Screamin' Jay Hawkins. Is he an old blues singer? >Chris Martyn ObCD> Hawkwind - The Friday Rock Show sessions: excellent versions of Hassan and also Silver Machine with Lemmy on vocals. ObTrivia> There was another "Guest" involved and I didn't recognize the name. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Feb 1 13:05:25 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 13:05:25 -0500 Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: >Screams? Give me 'Clowns on Fire'.... I'm intrigued. Who does this track? Martyn From swann at MINDVOX.COM Sat Feb 1 13:45:10 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 13:45:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs, Metallica, Pat Boone, Zappa et al In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jan 31, 97 11:46:57 pm Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > Btw, I saw a clip of Pat Boone on TV recently, and he looked ridiculous > (let's make no bones about it). Pity they never played any of his new > album, though. Maybe it would rank right up there with his crappy Little > Richard covers. Yes, it does rank right... err, down there with his Little Richard covers: http://www.mcarecords.com/amp14/reverb/boone.html Warning: I don't *really* recommend listening to this. It's not even bad in any way that could be construed as funny. It's just plain "really fucking bad", and there's the danger that it might come back to mind whenever you hear the originals again. Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Sat Feb 1 13:49:52 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 13:49:52 -0500 Subject: tapes and things In-Reply-To: <9702011805.AA16194@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Feb 1, 97 01:05:25 pm Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > > >Screams? Give me 'Clowns on Fire'.... > > I'm intrigued. Who does this track? > > Martyn You mean it's not Weird Al's (Yankovic, not Bouchard) version of Cities on Flame? Steve swann at panix.com From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Sat Feb 1 09:03:28 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 14:03:28 -0000 Subject: Fw: Tapes's in the mail! Message-ID: I would-but by the time I get up they're probably closed-and the same with after work!!Maybe i'll fax them-cheaper that way!! oh,do you have the fax number? if not, its...+44(0)1253 712362... I thought this was very helpful!! Thank you!!. apprecate the info!! Pam i aims ta pleez... ;) rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Sat Feb 1 09:08:31 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 14:08:31 -0000 Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: > ObCD> Hawkwind - The Friday Rock Show sessions: excellent versions of > Hassan and also Silver Machine with Lemmy on vocals. > > ObTrivia> There was another "Guest" involved and I didn't recognize the name. ??? where is this listed? the only guest listed on my copy is in silver machine, and that's lemmy. (who isnt named,only listed as "special guest") not trying to be contrary,just wondering where the other guest appears... rj From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Feb 1 14:20:35 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 14:20:35 -0500 Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: >??? where is this listed? the only guest listed on my copy is in silver >machine, and that's lemmy. >(who isnt named,only listed as "special guest") not trying to be >contrary,just wondering where the other >guest appears... > >rj Its not listed on the cover but you here this person being introduced before the track starts. I will listen again tonight and get the name Cheers Martyn From pink at UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Sat Feb 1 13:54:07 1997 From: pink at UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (_pink) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 14:54:07 -0400 Subject: tapes and things In-Reply-To: <88256430.0078CD7C.00@mailgw1.sonymusic.com> Message-ID: >Martyn writes: >>Is a screech the same as a scream? For the most awesome scream >> in rock history, it surely has to be Jim Morrisson (When the musics >> over) or Roger Daltrey (Won't get fooled again) > >Don't forget Roger Waters in "Careful with that axe, Eugene" (or was that >scream real?) Being a HUGE fan of PF I feel obligated to speak up here and verify that Rog is in fact using his own vocal chords during this song. and yes... it IS beautiful... _pink _______________________________________________________________________ . | __ ( ) | |\| |< email me: mailto:pink at uga.cc.uga.edu | Visit me: http://pink.rserv.uga.edu/ _______________________________________________________________________ From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Feb 1 14:50:03 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 14:50:03 -0500 Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: >Martyn White writes: >> >> >Screams? Give me 'Clowns on Fire'.... >> >> I'm intrigued. Who does this track? >> >> Martyn > >You mean it's not Weird Al's (Yankovic, not Bouchard) version of >Cities on Flame? I have no idea but a friend in Texas had it on a tape. It consists primarily of circus-like music with the sound of flames, and every ten seconds or so someone (presumably a clown) screaming horribly in pain. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Feb 1 16:32:36 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 07:32:36 +1000 Subject: tapes and things In-Reply-To: <9702011751.AA16159@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On 1 Feb 97 at 12:51, Martyn White wrote: > ObCD> Hawkwind - The Friday Rock Show sessions: excellent versions of > Hassan and also Silver Machine with Lemmy on vocals. > > ObTrivia> There was another "Guest" involved and I didn't recognize the name. That's "Dumpy" from "Dumpy's Rusty Nuts" .... Paul -- OzHawks The Australian Hawkwind Appreciation Society PO Box 884 Mail us an SAE for our free newsletter Mt Waverley "The Flying Doctor" VIC, 3149 http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks Australia mailto:OzHawks at pcmicro.com.au From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Sat Feb 1 20:56:45 1997 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (DATE WITH A GUITAR) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 20:56:45 EST Subject: BOC: Album Sales Message-ID: Can anyone point me to a source where I could find chart positions (or possibly sales figures) for BOC's albums? This info will come in handy for a short presentation I have for school. Brian From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Sat Feb 1 21:59:53 1997 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael G Karschner) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 18:59:53 -0800 Subject: BOC Greatest Hits CD Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > Is it possible you are confusing this with "The Reaper - Best"? There is > a German compilation (Sony 1994 release, I think) which is a single CD > containing BOC hits, and includes "I Am the One" and a cut version of > "In the Presence" (doesn't contain "Frankenstein"). The cover is a > pretty plain-looking pink with a red triangle on it, and the BOC logo. > Is this what you saw at Best Buy? Also, this CD doesn't contain any > rare cuts, but presumably has some noise reduction on some of the > tracks (I didn't notice anything particularly different in the sound > quality, but maybe others would). Also, the liner notes are in German, > with a few pictures. > > John Darn, John--you're amazing!! Yes, that's the CD I was thinking of, thanks! I'm easily confused. :D -- Mike From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sat Feb 1 22:10:07 1997 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 22:10:07 -0500 Subject: tapes and things In-Reply-To: <19970131211846.28835.qmail@mindvox.com> Message-ID: In <19970131211846.28835.qmail at mindvox.com>, on 01/31/97 at 04:18 PM, Stephen Swann said: >Martyn White writes: >> >> Steve opines: >> >> >Yer nuts, theo! Geddy had the most awesome screech in the history >> >of rock music. I haven't been able to listen to Rush ever since >> >he toned it down that ear-shredding vox. ;-) >> >> Is a screech the same as a scream? >Of course not! A screech is much more shill and cutting. Geddy can >(correction: USED to be able to) cut eardrums into slices; I admire that >in a singer. I forget her name now, but the singer for 45 Grave was pretty awesome. Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Sat Feb 1 23:13:50 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 23:13:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs, Metallica, Pat Boone, Zappa et al Message-ID: > Anyway, I forgot to save the info about suitable earplugs to wear to gigs > last time it cropped up. I'm mindful about my hearing nowadays (maybe > it's something to do with all the psychophysics I'm taking lately?:), so I > don't want the high-frequency, high-pain sounds to have my ears ringing > for days afterwards. I prefer the foam cylinders that you insert in your ears. Various types can be found under the name "Quiet Space" or "Husher" in better drug stores and some college supply stores, or under the name "Hearos" at music stores like Tower Records. Other insertable types include waxy blobs and rubber stoppers, which are less effective for noise and used more often for waterproofing. Gun shops and hardware stores usually have the external kind that look like jumbo earmuff/headphones, which you probably don't want. They're bulky and are much less effective for noise; their advantages are that they can be shared and can be easily taken on and off and set down even when your hands and your environment are all dirty. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Feb 2 08:00:57 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 21:00:57 +0800 Subject: HW Live 74 Message-ID: The latest Record Collector (January issue) has an article on what EMI are up to this year, including info about the live album. We already know most of it, but it does tell us its title, "Chigago Paragon Live". The article goes on to say that it will be 2CD's, and should be out in March. Elsewhere in the same issue, They have a list of the top 75 albums of the year. No.28 is "In Search of Space" remaster, no.49 "Space Ritual" remaster, and at no.70 "Doremi Faso Latido" remaster. William From ianfines at JUNO.COM Sun Feb 2 10:40:53 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 10:40:53 EST Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: >> >>Don't forget Roger Waters in "Careful with that axe, Eugene" (or was >that >>scream real?) > > Good point. One of my all time favorite tracks. I think >it is a real scream: Check out the Pompei (sp?) video. > Yes, it was his trademark howl. Pompeii is a great video, especially Echoes... > >ObTrivia> There was another "Guest" involved and I didn't recognize >the name. > Dumpy was his name...he usually made an appearance every time Lemmy showed up in the 80's. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sun Feb 2 14:31:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 19:31:00 +0000 Subject: tapes and things In-Reply-To: Martyn White's mail of Fri, 31 Jan 97 14:47 -0500 Message-ID: On 31 Jan 19:47, Martyn White wrote: > Is a screech the same as a scream? For the most awesome scream > in rock history, it surely has to be Jim Morrisson (When the musics > over) or Roger Daltrey (Won't get fooled again) My vote goes to Dagmar Krause of Henry Cow, in the middle of the "Oslo" improvisation on "Concerts". Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Mon Feb 3 03:56:09 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 08:56:09 +0000 Subject: BOC Greatest Hits CD In-Reply-To: <199701311830.NAA11672@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: You can all rest easy! I have now discovered that the so-called 'Greatest Hits' is actually WoTT wrongly entered on the web catalogue! Thanks for all the help, though! Martin From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Mon Feb 3 03:59:39 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 08:59:39 +0000 Subject: Fw: Tapes's in the mail! In-Reply-To: <199701311809.NAA16386@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: I recently got a Lydia Lunch video from them and I had no problem. However, as I live in the UK I phoned my order through. But I think they are pretty reputable. I see their videos in quite a few stores over here. Martin On Fri, 31 Jan 1997, RJ wrote: > A question-anyone ever had any problem with Visionary? I'm trying to get > them to answer > me on whether or not I can SAFELY do a credit card order through > them.Are their shipping times ok? I'm trying to ordr the VCD "Chronicle > of the Black Sword", but won't unless I get some info before-also anyone > know if they take "First Virtual"??? > Thanx for any help in advance!! > Pam > > > hi pam. > why not call them directly? > remember they are 5 hours ahead of you. > their number is... +44 (0)1253 712453 > i dint have any trouble when i ordered it,it got here fairly quick. but > they will not help you > get it to run. > this is a funny thing,and you may not get it to work. your computer has to > have the ability to > play mpegs, and there is no exe file. it took me a couple of weeks to > figure it out, and now > i've forgotten how i did it. it will probably take me a little while to > figure it out again. > i do know that what ever i did doesnt work everytime. i had to go thru > several errors b4 it worked. > but if you do get it to work,and you have a good amount of video dram,it is > really cool. > sorry i couldnt help more... rj > From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Feb 3 04:28:28 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 02:28:28 -0700 Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: Dave Berry wrote: > > On 31 Jan 19:47, Martyn White wrote: > > Is a screech the same as a scream? For the most awesome scream > > in rock history, it surely has to be Jim Morrisson (When the musics > > over) or Roger Daltrey (Won't get fooled again) > > My vote goes to Dagmar Krause of Henry Cow, in the middle of the "Oslo" > improvisation on "Concerts". > > Dave. How about Robert Plant in the "Immigrant Song"? ahhh...Yeah!! :) I still maintain that Geddy's truly awesome scream in "Cygnus X-1" is the best:) But I'm willing to check others out as well:)Comparison is good! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace I can't believe nobody has mentioned Mr Ian Gillan's screaming through most of 'Child in Time'. It was this ear splitting display that won him the original part of 'Jesus Christ Superstar'. Neil. From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Mon Feb 3 05:51:45 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 21:51:45 +1100 Subject: OFF: Screams and things In-Reply-To: <9702030944.AA03891@helena.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Feb 1997 shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM wrote: > I can't believe nobody has mentioned Mr Ian Gillan's screaming through most of 'Child in Time'. > > It was this ear splitting display that won him the original part of 'Jesus Christ Superstar'. > > Neil. > Yes, yes, yes. The *only* decent screamers are all heavy metallers. You want screams? How about Rob Halford on Victim of Changes or Screaming for Vengeance? Or Bruce Dickinson at the start of The Number of the Beast (Y-E-A-H!!!!!). Yep guys, Gillan, Martin, Geoff Tate, The awesome Micheal Kiske are all heroes of the adrenalin rush of the scream. Forget Gothic, space rockers, PF (sorry dude!), etc ., the scream is the realm of metal. AAAAAAHHHHHHHH! Troy ("Metalhead, I'm a metalhead, I was born to rock and roll") ObBesteverScream: Rob Halford, Dissident Aggressor (From JP's "Sin after Sin") From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 3 05:55:39 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 10:55:39 GMT Subject: Fw: Tapes's in the mail! In-Reply-To: RJ's message of Fri, 31 Jan 1997 13:07:07 -0000 Message-ID: RJ writes: > A question-anyone ever had any problem with Visionary? I'm trying to get > them to answer > me on whether or not I can SAFELY do a credit card order through > them.Are their shipping times ok? I'm trying to ordr the VCD "Chronicle > of the Black Sword", but won't unless I get some info before-also anyone > know if they take "First Virtual"??? > Thanx for any help in advance!! > Pam Try: king at visicom.demon.co.uk FoFP From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 3 08:29:40 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:29:40 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: tapes and things In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Sat, 1 Feb 1997 04:01:55 -0500 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > >Steve opines: > > > >>Yer nuts, theo! Geddy had the most awesome screech in the history > >>of rock music. I haven't been able to listen to Rush ever since > >>he toned it down that ear-shredding vox. ;-) > > > > Is a screech the same as a scream? For the most awesome scream > >in rock history, it surely has to be Jim Morrisson (When the musics > >over) or Roger Daltrey (Won't get fooled again) > > Screams? Give me 'Clowns on Fire'.... or "Child in Time?" jill obEndless> 9 and a half hours on a train 8-( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM Mon Feb 3 08:49:39 1997 From: reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 08:49:39 EST Subject: OFF: Earplugs, Metallica, Pat Boone, Zappa et al Message-ID: > > Paul Mather writes: > > > > Btw, I saw a clip of Pat Boone on TV recently, and he looked ridiculous > > (let's make no bones about it). and Steve writes: > It's not even > bad in any way that could be construed as funny. It's just plain > "really fucking bad"... Sounds to me like he's doing it (is SS' words "really fucking bad") on purpose. I think old PBoone is really just mocking it all. RR From reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM Mon Feb 3 09:00:16 1997 From: reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 09:00:16 EST Subject: BOC: Entertainment Wkly Message-ID: Possibly of interest: BOC's DFTR is talked about in this weeks Entertainment Weekly. The column talks about the use of the song in movies. RR obCD: Natural Born Killers - Soundtrack From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Feb 3 10:30:59 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 10:30:59 -0500 Subject: BOC: Album Sales Message-ID: What chart positions I know of regarding BOC are in the FAQ - although I think there might be more info in this area in the upcoming version -- check the discography section and in the notes after each album, I mention any chart position I know of. I don't know about sales figures, other than the notes also indicate if an album went gold or platinum. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Feb 3 10:38:04 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 10:38:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs, Metallica, Pat Boone, Zappa et al Message-ID: As far as earplugs go, I really like "Sonic II Noisefilters" (I think that's the name), available in music stores. The idea behind their design is that they filter out more of the intense high-frequencies which cause most of the "ringing" in your ears, while not giving you that "plugged up" feeling in your ears. You can carry on normal conversations with them and hear fine. Because of the way they are designed, their decibel "rating" is fairly low - but that's because the standard tests are done at I believe 1 KHz, which is not terribly high in frequency, and not in the range where they filter the most. Speaking from personal experience, I've used them at loud concerts in both clubs and arenas, and I really like them. They are a bit large for my ears, so if they're in for more than a few hours they start to hurt my ears a bit, but this is a minor temporary thing that I'm willing to deal with to preserve my hearing, and not wake up the next morning with "noise hangover". They cost around $10 BTW. John From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Feb 3 10:41:53 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 16:41:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Looking for vinyl Message-ID: Hi folks A good friend is looking for the following VINYL records: - Love In Space (Double Live LP) - Stasis (Double LP) Who can help? Thanks Bernhard From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Feb 3 10:52:40 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 10:52:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: Screams and things Message-ID: Speakin' of Ian Gillan's screaming, does anyone have the record, "Born Again" that he did with Black Sabbath? Check out "Disturbing the Priest" for some truly demonic screaming! John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 3 10:05:52 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 11:05:52 EDT Subject: OFF: Earplugs, Metallica, Pat Boone, Zappa et al Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > As far as earplugs go, I really like "Sonic II Noisefilters" (I think > that's the name), available in music stores. The idea behind their > design is that they filter out more of the intense high-frequencies > which cause most of the "ringing" in your ears, while not giving you > that "plugged up" feeling in your ears. You can carry on normal > conversations with them and hear fine. Because of the way they are > designed, their decibel "rating" is fairly low - but that's because the > standard tests are done at I believe 1 KHz, which is not terribly > high in frequency, and not in the range where they filter the most. > Speaking from personal experience, I've used them at loud concerts > in both clubs and arenas, and I really like them. They are a bit > large for my ears, so if they're in for more than a few hours they > start to hurt my ears a bit, but this is a minor temporary thing > that I'm willing to deal with to preserve my hearing, and not wake > up the next morning with "noise hangover". They cost around $10 BTW. > > John I've had pretty good experiences with Sonic IIs as well. I often use them while playing certain gigs where I'm, directly in line with amps, or more damaging, cymbals played by a loud drummer. Some times you can get by with just one earplug if you're stanind in such a way to not get too much of a blast. There's a new kind of earplug being made now that has to be fitted by a MD. I believe they're custom-made to fit perfectly and are supposedly a big breakthrough in hearing protection. I hear [sic] they're quite expensive, though, around a hundred bucks, and I don't know if that includes the exam! But really, if you go to a lot of concerts, or play in a band, or even just work in a factory, they might be a good investment. Can't believe there are so many Rush fans on a BOC list. I can't see any connection between the two. Any theories? theo From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Mon Feb 3 11:32:31 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 11:32:31 E Subject: OFF: Screams and things Message-ID: If you all are going to digress that much in to the realm of screams and metal...Tom Arya of Slayer ; the opening scream on "Angel of Death". IS the mightiest of opening screams!! From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Mon Feb 3 11:58:15 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 17:58:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: Rush fans on BOC-L Message-ID: >Can't believe there are so many Rush fans on a BOC list. I can't see >any connection between the two. Any theories? Well, I'm not really surprised, Theo. I mean, there are a lot of prog fans on this list, I think, and Rush being a prog band... Now why there are so many prog fans on BOC-L is another matter. I think it comes from the fact that prog fans are usually very eclectic and listen to a lot of different stuff. Further more, it seems that BOC was/is a very eclectic band itself in the sense that not 2 of their songs sound alike and that you can hear various influences in their music, from plain hard rock to blues, including jazz and other stuff. Some of their songs can even, IMHO, be considered as progressive (I'm thinking in particular at "Monsters" or perhaps GAoL). Oh... and just in case you wondered, I also like Rush (and prog rock in general). Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Feb 3 12:13:14 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 10:13:14 -0700 Subject: Fw: Tapes's in the mail! Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Try: > > king at visicom.demon.co.uk > That's the address I used-I've still no response from them-it's been almost a week since I e-mailed them:( Pa, -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: . > > Can't believe there are so many Rush fans on a BOC list. I can't see > any connection between the two. Any theories? > theo We just like good tunage!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace >Can't believe there are so many Rush fans on a BOC list. I can't see any connection between the two. Any theories? Simple - they both play excellent music! ;-) Seriously though, both bands had a reputation in the 70s for being sort of "thinking man's" rock, especially in terms of lyric, with lots of emphasis on science fiction. I think that's one of the main tie-ins. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Feb 3 12:34:48 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 12:34:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: Club Ninja Re-Release Delayed!! Message-ID: Some of you may recall that I found out from ICE Magazine's website that *Club Ninja* was expected to be re-released - the date was to be February 18th. I checked the site today -- the re-release date has been moved to March 18th. BOC can't even get it's "re-releases" out on time . . . ;-) John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 3 11:56:29 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 16:56:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: Screams and things In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Troy Harris writes > Yes, yes, yes. The *only* decent screamers are all heavy metallers. >You want screams? Or how about Duncan Mullett of Mournblade in the intro to Titanium Hero? 1-2-3-FOOURRRRRRRR!!!!! Except only me and Andy are going to remember that one! -- Jon Browne From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Mon Feb 3 13:08:07 1997 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 10:08:07 -0800 Subject: OFF: Screams and things In-Reply-To: <009AF54E.6802A8E0.21@marywood1.marywood.edu> from "Bryan Pitkin" at Feb 3, 97 11:32:31 am Message-ID: > If you all are going to digress that much in to the realm of screams and > metal...Tom Arya of Slayer ; the opening scream on "Angel of Death". > IS the mightiest of opening screams!! Yeah, but Ron Tree's scream/screech on _Are You Losing Your Mind?_ was the one that at low volume (acceptable in an office where people are talking on the phone all day) could still annoy my boss in the next cubicle... -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I gnome at teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~gnome "The world is a comedy to those who think, and a tragedy to those who feel." -Tom Robbins From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Feb 3 13:39:14 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 19:39:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: Screams and things Message-ID: At 16:56 1997-02-03 +0000, you wrote: >In message melb.edu.au>, Troy Harris writes >> Yes, yes, yes. The *only* decent screamers are all heavy metallers. >>You want screams? > >Or how about Duncan Mullett of Mournblade in the intro to Titanium Hero? >1-2-3-FOOURRRRRRRR!!!!! > >Except only me and Andy are going to remember that one! nope. but it's defeated by the primal scream that introduces "We Are The Road Crew" @ _No Sleep 'til Hammersmith_ >Jon Browne \\joe From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Feb 3 14:14:48 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:14:48 -0600 Subject: OFF: Rush fans on BOC-L In-Reply-To: <199702031658.RAA05400@imaginet.fr> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > Well, I'm not really surprised, Theo. I mean, there are a lot of prog fans > on this list, I think, and Rush being a prog band... Now why there are so > many prog fans on BOC-L is another matter. I think it comes from the fact > that prog fans are usually very eclectic and listen to a lot of different > stuff. Further more, it seems that BOC was/is a very eclectic band itself in > the sense that not 2 of their songs sound alike and that you can hear > various influences in their music, from plain hard rock to blues, including > jazz and other stuff. Actually, I would think that most of the prog leanings on the list come from the Hawkwind faction. [BTW, I'm wearing my Rush "Test For Echo" t-shirt right now - yes, the $35 shirt with the Mandelbrot set on it. I'm a math major; I'm expected to buy that one. :) ] Damon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 3 15:18:36 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 20:18:36 +0000 Subject: HW Live 74 In-Reply-To: <32F49008.276@iinet.net.au> from "William Duffy" at Feb 2, 97 09:00:57 pm Message-ID: > The latest Record Collector (January issue) has an article on what EMI are up to this > year, including info about the live album. > We already know most of it, but it does tell us its title, "Chigago Paragon Live". The > article goes on to say that it will be 2CD's, and should be out in March. 2CDs is good, but as the good Mr. Star Rats has already said that _CPL74_ will be out *much* later in the year ... well, with HW I believe the latest date posted ;) and hope to be pleasantly surprised (but not with any great expenditure of effort ;) > Elsewhere in the same issue, They have a list of the top 75 albums of the year. No.28 is > "In Search of Space" remaster, no.49 "Space Ritual" remaster, and at no.70 "Doremi Faso > Latido" remaster. Hear, hear. Though I put the _DFL_ up top. I like _SR_ better than _ISOS_, but admitedly _ISOS_ probably benefited more from remastering than than _SR_. Those re-releases are still unquestionable the finest job on a re-releases I've ever heard of. My only complaint, of course, is that the cardboard packaging is too suceptible to damage ... I've recently bitten the bullet and put the CDs in jewelcases and tucked the original packaging away, before they can collect any more bumps and bruises ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU Mon Feb 3 16:18:33 1997 From: uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 00:18:33 +0300 Subject: HW: Looking for vinyl Message-ID: Hello Bernhard! Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > A good friend is looking for the following VINYL records: > - Love In Space (Double Live LP) > - Stasis (Double LP) Well, I don't want to part with my Stasis (so I can't help you friend), but I'm sure it's single LP, not double. Yuri From stayer at PI.NET Mon Feb 3 21:20:32 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:20:32 -0800 Subject: OFF: Rush / BOC connection? Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > Can't believe there are so many Rush fans on a BOC list. I can't see > any connection between the two. Any theories? Both bands are on the heavy side of my musical taste. My main interest is progressive rock, including Rush. Other interests: melodic rock (Journey, Boston, heavier: early Rush), blues / rock (Hendrix, Spirit, Mountain, Chris Duarte, Los Lobotomys - all guitar oriented of course). I think BOC has parts of all of those, maybe they're in the middle. Well, not exactly prog, but songs like Nosferatu, Golden Age, Black Blade, Magna Of Illusion and BOC to name a few, are more than just melodic as in Journey or Boston. My theory. Jerry _________________________________________ "he only sees through honesty and clarity the loss of sanctuary's divinity he's afraid of time" From jguizar at EPIX.NET Mon Feb 3 16:51:00 1997 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 16:51:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs, Metallica, Pat Boone, Zappa et al In-Reply-To: <199702031538.KAA13799@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: In <199702031538.KAA13799 at mbunix.mitre.org>, on 02/03/97 at 10:38 AM, John A Swartz said: >As far as earplugs go, I really like "Sonic II Noisefilters" (I think >that's the name), available in music stores. The idea behind their >design is that they filter out more of the intense high-frequencies which >cause most of the "ringing" in your ears, while not giving you that >"plugged up" feeling in your ears. You can carry on normal conversations >with them and hear fine. Because of the way they are designed, their That name sounds familiar. I had some I bought 10 or 15 yrs ago that was made of rubber, it had three rubber circles on the part you inserted into your ear - getting bigger as it went out, and the outside was shaped like a cylinder - actually it held a metal cylinder that you could pop out when you washed them. Does that sound like Sonic II's? Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Mon Feb 3 12:31:50 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 17:31:50 -0000 Subject: OFF: Screams and things Message-ID: > Speakin' of Ian Gillan's screaming, does anyone have the record, "Born > Again" that he did with Black Sabbath? Check out "Disturbing the > Priest" for some truly demonic screaming! > > John absolutely. welcome to the feast. rj p.s. if anyone sees this on cd for cheap,lemme know. i only ever saw one cd copy,which my friend bought in a budgie bin for 5.00. i got the vinyl,but i hate using my turntable(cos it involves moving the mountain of crap on top of it.) ;) rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Mon Feb 3 12:35:05 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 17:35:05 -0000 Subject: OFF: Screams and things Message-ID: > Yeah, but Ron Tree's scream/screech on _Are You Losing Your Mind?_ was the > one that at low volume (acceptable in an office where people are talking on > the phone all day) could still annoy my boss in the next cubicle... > > -kevin doesn't count... :P that is an effect device which was used by bridget as well. (probably the only thing i hated about both singers. was glad to see ron isnt using it much anymore.) rj From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Feb 3 20:38:35 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 11:38:35 +1000 Subject: HW: Looking for vinyl In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970203164100.00697e40@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: On 3 Feb 97 at 16:41, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > - Love In Space (Double Live LP) Bernhard, Heartland Records in Melbourne has a copy of this .... it would cost a bit to post to Germany though. Let me know if you want me to pick it up. Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Feb 3 20:04:48 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 20:04:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs Message-ID: >As far as earplugs go, I really like "Sonic II Noisefilters" (I think Sonic IIs are my choice also although Deb likes the foam ones and the rest of the group swears by the old TP (wadded up toilet paper). I like Sonic IIs because I can still hear the cymbals and I never have ringing after. Sometimes onstage I think they might have fallen out because the sound is so good. Occasionally they do when I shake my head around. Al From ianfines at JUNO.COM Mon Feb 3 22:21:52 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 22:21:52 EST Subject: OFF: Rush / BOC connection? Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:20:32 -0800 Jerry writes: >Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: >> Can't believe there are so many Rush fans on a BOC list. I can't >see >> any connection between the two. Any theories? > In my Rush book, "Hold Your Fire", which is a comprehensive biography, the author lists a bunch of bands that Rush has once toured with....Hawkwind was one of them. Can this possibly be true (I've checked numerous Rush gig lists, and haven't proven this). From ianfines at JUNO.COM Mon Feb 3 22:21:52 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 22:21:52 EST Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:29:40 GMT J Strobridge writes: >Andrew A. Apold writes: > >> >Steve opines: >> > >> >>Yer nuts, theo! Geddy had the most awesome screech in the history >> >>of rock music. I haven't been able to listen to Rush ever since >> >>he toned it down that ear-shredding vox. ;-) >> > >> > Is a screech the same as a scream? For the most awesome >scream >> >in rock history, it surely has to be Jim Morrisson (When the musics >> >over) or Roger Daltrey (Won't get fooled again) >> >> Screams? Give me 'Clowns on Fire'.... > > >or "Child in Time?" > or how about best wail: Uncle Nik in Brainstorm From stayer at PI.NET Tue Feb 4 02:06:38 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 23:06:38 -0800 Subject: OFF: Rush fans on BOC-L Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > Now why there are so > > many prog fans on BOC-L is another matter. I think it comes from the fact > > that prog fans are usually very eclectic QUEST wrote: > Actually, I would think that most of the prog leanings on the list come > from the Hawkwind faction. I've read seven or eight different theories and they're all different. This is really great! :-) Jerry _________________________________________ "he only sees through honesty and clarity the loss of sanctuary's divinity he's afraid of time" From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Tue Feb 4 01:22:29 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 07:22:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: Rush fans on BOC-L Message-ID: >Alex S. Garcia wrote: > >> > Now why there are so >> > many prog fans on BOC-L is another matter. I think it comes from the fact >> > that prog fans are usually very eclectic > >QUEST wrote: >> Actually, I would think that most of the prog leanings on the list come >> from the Hawkwind faction. > >I've read seven or eight different theories and they're all different. This is really >great! :-) Well there you have it... that thing about eclectism again ;-) Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Feb 4 03:24:55 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 01:24:55 -0700 Subject: OFF: Rush / BOC connection? Message-ID: Ian R Fines wrote: > > On Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:20:32 -0800 Jerry writes: > > In my Rush book, "Hold Your Fire", which is a comprehensive biography, > the author lists a bunch of bands that Rush has once toured > with....Hawkwind was one of them. Can this possibly be true (I've > checked numerous Rush gig lists, and haven't proven this). Let me post this to NMS(Rush list) and see if anyone knows there! :) I've heard of this-but dunno when-although I've also heard that Rush actually supported HW on this one! I'll let ya know! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: I tend to agree - there are some groups who could turn out the best music ever made, but I couldn't listen to them because their singers are so awful! I don't include either Led Zep or Rush in the category of best music ever made, but their singers are a real turn-off. Dagmar Krause, however, is wild! Have you heard her 'singing' with the Art Bears (now out on CD)? The other singer ranked somewhere near the bottom, if not somewhere below the bottom, is Michael Jackson. If I ever hear him scream again, I'm going to punch someone - preferably him! Martin On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > Dave Berry wrote: > > > > On 31 Jan 19:47, Martyn White wrote: > > > Is a screech the same as a scream? For the most awesome scream > > > in rock history, it surely has to be Jim Morrisson (When the musics > > > over) or Roger Daltrey (Won't get fooled again) > > > > My vote goes to Dagmar Krause of Henry Cow, in the middle of the "Oslo" > > improvisation on "Concerts". > > > > Dave. > How about Robert Plant in the "Immigrant Song"? ahhh...Yeah!! :) I still > maintain that Geddy's truly awesome scream in "Cygnus X-1" is the > best:) But I'm willing to check others out as well:)Comparison is good! > Pam > > -- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > 0 0 E-mail: > cwheaton at micron.net > URL:http://netnow.micron.net/~cwheaton > ************************************************************************************ > From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Feb 3 13:01:30 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:01:30 UT Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L Message-ID: >Can't believe there are so many Rush fans on a BOC list. I can't see >any connection between the two. Any theories? Well, both could be loosely described as sci-fi metal. Never cared for them much myself, though. Bit too much on the progressive side for my tin ears, I guess. - Andy ObCD: The Stooges - _Fun House_ Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Tue Feb 4 06:31:35 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 11:31:35 +0000 Subject: OFF: Screams and things In-Reply-To: <199702031552.KAA17245@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: And some truly dull music! On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > Speakin' of Ian Gillan's screaming, does anyone have the record, "Born > Again" that he did with Black Sabbath? Check out "Disturbing the > Priest" for some truly demonic screaming! > > John > From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Tue Feb 4 07:34:58 1997 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 12:34:58 GMT Subject: OFF: Screams and things Message-ID: At 16:56 03/02/97 +0000, you wrote: >In message melb.edu.au>, Troy Harris writes >> Yes, yes, yes. The *only* decent screamers are all heavy metallers. >>You want screams? > >Or how about Duncan Mullett of Mournblade in the intro to Titanium Hero? >1-2-3-FOOURRRRRRRR!!!!! > >Except only me and Andy are going to remember that one! Sidewinder, sidewinduhuh ... Now we can't really have a proper discussion of screaming without early Type O Negative. WAAAAAAAAAOOOOORRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH..... One, two, three, four, I don't wanna live no more ... Alun > >-- >Jon Browne > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 4 08:10:23 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 08:10:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs, Metallica, Pat Boone, Zappa et al Message-ID: Jerry: Yes, your description fits the Sonic II's - I first bought a pair about 10 or 15 years ago myself. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 4 08:17:17 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 08:17:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Screams and things Message-ID: >And some truly dull music! What, that album, or Black Sabbath in general? One can argue how much good stuff Sabbath has written since they parted ways with Dio (or Ozzy), but there's no denying their influence on numerous bands, not to mention heavy metal in general. As for "Born Again", I think it has some cool tunes. Besides Gillan's screaming on "Disturbing the Priest", the guitar riff is very cool and very spooky. Some of the other songs seem a bit one-dimensional, but good 'ed-bangin' tunes nonetheless. As far as "Born Again" being available on CD, it was remastered recently along with most of Sabbath's other albums, and you may be able to find it at a decent price in a local record store. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 4 08:25:37 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 08:25:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs Message-ID: Another vote for Sonic II Noisefilters from our esteemed tBS drummer! Yes, the thing that's really nice about them is how they do a great job while still allowing you to hear things clearly. The only thing I don't like is that they are a bit large, which if you keep them in for hours can be uncomfortable (but beats the ringing after), and I wonder how "obvious" they are when I'm wearing them -- can't say I've noticed Al wearing his, although he does have a bit more hair covering his ears than I do. :-) I've often wondered how wearing earplugs affects singers, since they need to be able to hear themselves well to sing well. Do the plugs Deb uses inhibit her ability to hear herself, or do they just crank up the monitors a bit more? John From tully at LINELNT1.LIGHT.GE.COM Tue Feb 4 08:37:37 1997 From: tully at LINELNT1.LIGHT.GE.COM (Tully, Thomas (GEL,MSX)) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 08:37:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Screams and things Message-ID: You can pick up a Remastered version at Best Buys for $13.00. Sounds great. This one of the great lost Black Sabbath albums Tom >---------- >From: RJ[SMTP:SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM] >Sent: Monday, February 03, 1997 12:31 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: OFF: Screams and things > >> Speakin' of Ian Gillan's screaming, does anyone have the record, "Born >> Again" that he did with Black Sabbath? Check out "Disturbing the >> Priest" for some truly demonic screaming! >> >> John > >absolutely. welcome to the feast. rj >p.s. if anyone sees this on cd for cheap,lemme know. i only ever saw one cd >copy,which my friend >bought in a budgie bin for 5.00. i got the vinyl,but i hate using my >turntable(cos it involves moving the >mountain of crap on top of it.) ;) >rj > From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Feb 4 09:14:15 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 14:14:15 GMT Subject: Looking for Vylin Message-ID: Hi I can get a copy of it in HVM, oxford (UK) for L13.99. Timmmy Fintan Langner 96163497 at brookes.ac.uk Working for: *************************** ******************** **** **** * Oxygen 107.9FM * * 24 hours day * *OX* *YG* * Can you face the music? * * but please make * * E * 107.9 * N * ********* ********* ******* ******* * * FM * * * UK's * * a * * * * * * * * first * * big * * ** * * ** * * student * *effort* * * * * * * * * radio * * to * * * * * * * * station * *listen* * * * * * * * to get * *to the* * * * * * * full 8 * ******* ******* * * Don't * * * year * * Interview Show * * * miss * * * lience * *With Midlands bank* * * out * * *********** ******************** **** **** STARTS FRI 14THth FEB 97!!!! Wednesdays 21pm-21.30pm Oxygen 107.9 From ABrevard at SHL.COM Tue Feb 4 10:43:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:43:00 -0600 Subject: Off: Pat Disses, Ear Plugs and Rush Message-ID: > I can't believe nobody has mentioned Mr Ian Gillan's screaming through most of 'Child in Time'. A good choice. I vote for Doug Pinnick, King's X. Skull splitting blast from Over My Head. Impressive in the studio, lethal live. Ear Plugs would not save you from the power he emits. and Steve writes: > It's not even bad in any way that could be construed as funny. It's just plain > "really fucking bad"... I dunno. Saw the song list and heard a few of them. Its so bad I couldn't help but laugh. I think its a must have. Will definitely clear a room when the party is over. Pat covers a lot of people, Alice Cooper, Dio, Deep Purple, Van Halen, everybody but BOC and HW. Thirty years in rock and our heros can't even get dissed by Pat Boone. Oh the tradgedy of it all. Theo>"Can't believe there are so many Rush fans on a BOC list. I can't see any connection between the two. Any theories?" Perhaps becuase Rush makes great music or at least they did, depends on where you fit into their history. I love early Rush and like or ignore most of the modern stuff. I think I grew up in the right period for rock and roll. OYFOOYK was the first BOC tour I saw, Kiss, Alive 1st time and Rush, Stages, 1st time. See the pattern? I kind of like Rush based on that particular concert experience, their first few albums and their playing ability which remains formidable after all these years. Alex>"Further more, it seems that BOC was/is a very eclectic band itself in the sense that not 2 of their songs sound alike and that you can hear various influences in their music, from plain hard rock to blues, including jazz and other stuff. Some of their songs can even, IMHO, be considered as progressive (I'm thinking in particular at "Monsters" or perhaps GAoL)." Great description. BOC can give you a little bit of everything. Certainly not the definition of formulaic rockers. L8er lil ab ********************************************** Eyes looking down critically Feeling their breath on me Under the scope they read every word Defining what+s good, what+s absurd. ********************************************** From stayer at PI.NET Tue Feb 4 10:21:22 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 07:21:22 -0800 Subject: OFF: Rush / BOC connection? Message-ID: Ian R Fines wrote: > In my Rush book, "Hold Your Fire", which is a comprehensive biography, > the author lists a bunch of bands that Rush has once toured > with....Hawkwind was one of them. Can this possibly be true (I've > checked numerous Rush gig lists, and haven't proven this). Rush and BOC have shared the same stage on the same night, maybe even a couple of times. AfaIr BOC headlined, but a couple of years later it might be the other way around. Jerry _________________________________________ "he only sees through honesty and clarity the loss of sanctuary's divinity he's afraid of time" From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Feb 4 12:38:41 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 17:38:41 GMT Subject: OFF: mailing Message-ID: Hi Can anyone tell me why I get replies to messges sent to mailing list sometimes before the actual messge get's send to me via the mailing list. Topday I sent a messge and got a reply the nalter on reviced the messge I sent. Also sometimes when other people reply to toher people's messges I get them replyed version before the orginal. Timmmy Fintan Langner 96163497 at brookes.ac.uk Working for: *************************** ******************** **** **** * Oxygen 107.9FM * * 24 hours day * *OX* *YG* * Can you face the music? * * but please make * * E * 107.9 * N * ********* ********* ******* ******* * * FM * * * UK's * * a * * * * * * * * first * * big * * ** * * ** * * student * *effort* * * * * * * * * radio * * to * * * * * * * * station * *listen* * * * * * * * to get * *to the* * * * * * * full 8 * ******* ******* * * Don't * * * year * * Interview Show * * * miss * * * lience * *With Midlands bank* * * out * * *********** ******************** **** **** STARTS FRI 14THth FEB 97!!!! Wednesdays 21pm-21.30pm Oxygen 107.9 PS Long Live Hawkwind and Stauts quo! From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 4 04:42:18 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:42:18 +0000 Subject: HW Live 74 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Carl E. Anderson" writes >I've recently bitten >the bullet and put the CDs in jewelcases and tucked the original packaging >away, before they can collect any more bumps and bruises ... I did that Day 1. I gave my SR a good inch tear first play. Straight into the jewel cases after that. -- Jon Browne From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Tue Feb 4 08:38:57 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 13:38:57 -0000 Subject: OFF: Screams and things Message-ID: > >And some truly dull music! im not even interested in discussing that...ya like it or ya don't....and i don't care.............. > As far as "Born Again" being available on CD, it was remastered recently > along with most of Sabbath's other albums, and you may be able to find > it at a decent price in a local record store. > cool,thanks john. rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Tue Feb 4 08:42:27 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 13:42:27 -0000 Subject: mailing Message-ID: > Hi > > Can anyone tell me why I get replies to messges sent to mailing list sometimes > before the actual messge get's send to me via the mailing list. Topday I sent > a messge and got a reply the nalter on reviced the messge I sent. Also > sometimes when other people reply to toher people's messges I get them replyed > version before the orginal. > i dunno tim,but i have a mssg here that i havent sent yet.......AND I GOT A REPLY TO IT YESTERDAY! ;) RJ From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Feb 4 14:32:13 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 14:32:13 -0500 Subject: HW Live 74 Message-ID: "De-lamination". EVERY one of my remastered CD's have had the plastic tray come un-glued from the carrdboard backing. Some are more than 50% de-laminated, some just starting to separate, but each and every one.... ...yet, I have Digi-paks that are about 10 years old that still have the plastic tray (with all the teeth, too. What happens when a tray tooth breaks, hmmm?) firmly attached to the cardboard packing. Must have been that traumatic trip 'cross the Pond. Just another reason for a domestic (US) release! I hate Digi-Paks...long live the jewel-box! objCassette Deck: HW/ Sonic Attack Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Jon Browne[SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 1997 4:42 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW Live 74 In message , "Carl E. Anderson" writes >I've recently bitten >the bullet and put the CDs in jewelcases and tucked the original packaging >away, before they can collect any more bumps and bruises ... I did that Day 1. I gave my SR a good inch tear first play. Straight into the jewel cases after that. -- Jon Browne -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2130 bytes Desc: not available URL: From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Tue Feb 4 16:03:34 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:03:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: mailing Message-ID: >Can anyone tell me why I get replies to messges sent to mailing list sometimes >before the actual messge get's send to me via the mailing list. Topday I sent >a messge and got a reply the nalter on reviced the messge I sent. Also >sometimes when other people reply to toher people's messges I get them replyed >version before the orginal. That's just how mailing-lists work in general. Messages get dispatched all over the world and according to different factors, they don't reach everyone at the same time. So even if you haven't received your own message yet, it doesn't mean that no one else got it. That's why you can sometimes receive an answer before you even see the question. I hope that helped... Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Feb 4 18:05:47 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:05:47 EST Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L Message-ID: >ObCD: The Stooges - _Fun House_ > > Great disc...but are you a fan of the late, great MC5? Later. From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Feb 4 19:26:19 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:26:19 -0500 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L Message-ID: >>Can't believe there are so many Rush fans on a BOC list. I can't see >>any connection between the two. Any theories? Well, I remember a Neil Peart radio interview maybe around 1988 or so in which he mentioned that they had opened for Hawkwind on the Caress of Steel tour (which among Rush trivia buffs is known as the tour and album for which the band as well as the fans had the least amount of enthusiasm). Earlier on, of course, Rush had some sci-fi/mythical themes to the lyrics (like HW and BOC), and the earlier stuff was more of a straight ahead rock sound, like BOC. Truth be told, I haven't detected all that many people on this list who are into progressive rock. Blue Oyster Cult seems to me a band listened to mainly by die-hard fans of blues-based classic rock. Ask for a BOC fan's top ten bands, and they're likely to be such things as Bad Company etc. The Hawkwind camp is definitely more inclined to experimental/psychedelic/progressive music, but there is still a "rock" element there as well. Ask for a HW fan's top ten bands, though, and you're more likely to see things like Ozric Tentacles or Gong. Even though I'm a huge HW fan, I must admit that many of the fans (of both bands at BOC-l)seem like stuck-in-the-mud types with musical interests that ceased growing approximately 20 years ago. I mean there have been an awful lot of great bands from every time period, and I guess I just get a little upset sometimes with the narrowness of some people's tastes. Does anybody on this list buy music by relatively "new" bands which aren't related to HW or BOC? I sometimes wonder. I own 90+ Hawkwind and Hawkwind spinoff CDs in addition to countless bootleg tapes, videos and vinyl, but just to cite my diversity (or possible lack of) I also own releases from bands such as: Guided By Voices, Cocteau Twins, Thin White Rope, Pale Saints, Flying Saucer Attack, Dinosaur Jr., the Cure, Smiths, Morrissey, Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Husker Du, Naked Raygun, Current 93, Smashing Pumpkins, Stereolab, R.E.M., Lush, Swans, Superchunk, Throwing Muses, His Name Is Alive etc. Of course there are the expected favorites like Tangerine Dream, Can, Gong, Ozric Tentacles etc. also. I don't know what this proves. Just thought you'd be interested. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org PS: After seeing the Love In Space video, I don't feel so antagonistic toward Ron Tree! From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Feb 4 19:49:10 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 00:49:10 GMT Subject: Rush fans on the BOC-L dicuession list Message-ID: Hi John and everyone. To prove my narrow midnness. The bansd and type of msuic I like are Status Quo, Hawkwind, AC/DC and Blues. Oh and the odd slow balled type song (noly got into that via status quo though!) So you could say I'm narrow minded but there again blues is a hugh spectum of music and I like quite a lot of it. But I couldn't careless. Any noise is music wether you like or not dpends on your music tast. My atst just happens to centre around one tihng - certain types of rock and most blues. OH and I first saw Ron Tree on VH-1 and thought he's fine. When I heard Alien 4, I thought he's a cross between Nick Turner and Bob calvert and liked his voice. Althought bob's was better and nicks voie was also good, Ron is still a very good vocalest. I surprsied he didn't join Hawkwind sooner, with a vocie like that. Oh any chance Hawwkind will do motorhead again? Ive just got a copy of the orginal and it's fanstatics - esaplly sax and voline. Timmmy Fintan Langner 96163497 at brookes.ac.uk PS what is the longest hawkwind song ever done live/studio? Working for: *************************** ******************** **** **** * Oxygen 107.9FM * * 24 hours day * *OX* *YG* * Can you face the music? * * but please make * * E * 107.9 * N * ********* ********* ******* ******* * * FM * * * UK's * * a * * * * * * * * first * * big * * ** * * ** * * student * *effort* * * * * * * * * radio * * to * * * * * * * * station * *listen* * * * * * * * to get * *to the* * * * * * * full 8 * ******* ******* * * Don't * * * year * * Interview Show * * * miss * * * lience * *With Midlands bank* * * out * * *********** ******************** **** **** STARTS FRI 14THth FEB 97!!!! Wednesdays 21pm-21.30pm Oxygen 107.9 From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Tue Feb 4 20:52:44 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 02:52:44 +0100 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L Message-ID: >Even though I'm a >huge HW fan, I must admit that many of the fans (of both bands at BOC-l)seem >like stuck-in-the-mud types with musical interests that ceased growing >approximately 20 years ago. >I mean there have been an awful lot of great >bands from every time period, and I guess I just get a little upset >sometimes with the narrowness of some people's tastes. Does anybody on this >list buy music by relatively "new" bands which aren't related to HW or BOC? >I sometimes wonder. Whoooooaaaaaaaah ! You're not afraid of getting flamed, are you ? Oh boy, I think there's a war coming :-o Quite frankly, I think you're being overly dramatic and maybe a bit harsh as well. I've been on this list for almost a year and I have seen some more recent bands mentioned before. But then again, even though I listen to a lot of various stuff (including "modern" artists like Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, REM, U2, Toto, Babylon Zoo, Chris DeBurgh, Howard Jones, etc, etc, etc) I must admit that I tend to prefer stuff from the 70's. This coming from a guy who was born in 1970 and only started listening seriously to music & buying albums in the mid-80's. I now own some 700+ albums, so I think I can reasonably label myself (though I hate labels ;-) eclectic and pretty open. In fact, one of the things I like most is to discover stuff I don't know and haven't even heard of before, and God knows there are plenty of those out there :-) I tend to listen to just about anything, old or recent, although I usually dislike commercial stuff (keep away Madonna, Michael Jackson and the like, please, thank you)... and although, as said above, I also tend to prefer older stuff. Okay, I think I'm rambling. So back to the point. What I'm trying to say here is that I am pretty certain I am not the only one on this list to listen to a lot of different stuff (I know of at least 3 or 4) and the fact that all of us (or most) tend to like older matter better might have a good reason for it. I'll take one Kansas album for two REM albums anytime, even though I love REM. Same thing goes for Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana or even U2 as opposed to BOC, Pink Floyd, Supertramp, David Bowie, etc. You just can't compare. Sure, there are great bands today as well. Granted. But, IMHO, they're not even half as good as most of the older bands. Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Feb 4 21:30:42 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 21:30:42 -0500 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations In-Reply-To: <199702050026.TAA29498@wcic.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, John Majka wrote: > Even though I'm a > huge HW fan, I must admit that many of the fans (of both bands at BOC-l)seem > like stuck-in-the-mud types with musical interests that ceased growing > approximately 20 years ago. I mean there have been an awful lot of great > bands from every time period, and I guess I just get a little upset > sometimes with the narrowness of some people's tastes. Does anybody on this > list buy music by relatively "new" bands which aren't related to HW or BOC? [list of bands omitted.] > I don't know what this proves. This proves once again that every so often someone is determined to start the "my musical tastes are more diverse than yours" pissing contest on BOC-L. Congratulations! You are this month's winner! (Btw, I think your posting is just a sinister record company plot to get us all to "broaden our minds" and buy Pat Boone's new "heavy metal" album...) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys, _For the Last Time_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Tue Feb 4 22:21:02 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:21:02 -0500 Subject: NIK: Pressurehed Message-ID: According to the Cleopatra web site http://www.hallucinet.com/cleopatra/ the new Pressurehed album was supposedly released today: 2/4/97 * PRESUREHED * Explaining The Unexplained * 9910 * $14.98 * Cleo From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Feb 4 22:26:15 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:26:15 EST Subject: Rush fans on the BOC-L dicuession list Message-ID: > >OH and I first saw Ron Tree on VH-1 and thought he's fine. When I You saw Ron on VH1? I can't see Ron as fitting in with adult contemporary... >PS what is the longest hawkwind song ever done live/studio? studio-You Shouldn't Do That (not so sure) live-??? From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Feb 4 22:26:15 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:26:15 EST Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Feb 1997 02:52:44 +0100 "Alex S. Garcia" writes: >>Even though I'm a >>huge HW fan, I must admit that many of the fans (of both bands at >BOC-l)seem >>like stuck-in-the-mud types with musical interests that ceased >growing >>approximately 20 years ago. >>I mean there have been an awful lot of great >>bands from every time period, and I guess I just get a little upset >>sometimes with the narrowness of some people's tastes. Does anybody >on this >>list buy music by relatively "new" bands which aren't related to HW >or BOC? >>I sometimes wonder. > >Whoooooaaaaaaaah ! You're not afraid of getting flamed, are you ? >Oh boy, I think there's a war coming :-o I don't buy much new music at all, and whatever "new" music I buy is bands that base their music upon music from the late 60's and 70's. Did you get that? Anyway, although HW is my favorite band, I was a BOC fan before I stumbled upon the Hawks. My other musical interests include Amon Duul 2, Gong, Ash Ra Tempel, Faust, PF, Deviants, MC5, Stooges, Magma, Guru Guru, Man, etc......as well as the "progressive" giants: Yes, ELP, KC, Gentle Giant, The Nice, etc. Is that eclectic and progressive enough (: From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Tue Feb 4 17:41:33 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:41:33 -0000 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L Message-ID: . Ask for a HW fan's top ten bands, though, and you're > more likely to see things like Ozric Tentacles or Gong. well,of course they are there or were at one time.they have a very similar spirit. >Even though I'm a > huge HW fan, I must admit that many of the fans (of both bands at BOC-l)seem > like stuck-in-the-mud types with musical interests that ceased growing > approximately 20 years ago. I mean there have been an awful lot of great > bands from every time period, and I guess I just get a little upset > sometimes with the narrowness of some people's tastes. i am a little upset with the narrowness of your observation..i know literally hundreds of hawkwind fans, and can't think of ONE who fits your description.in fact,hawkwind fans,to my experience,have a much more diverse range of musical interests than most other diehard fans. >Does anybody on this > list buy music by relatively "new" bands which aren't related to HW or BOC? > I sometimes wonder. I own 90+ Hawkwind and Hawkwind spinoff CDs in addition > to countless bootleg tapes, videos and vinyl, but just to cite my diversity > (or possible lack of) I also own releases from bands such as: Guided By > Voices, Cocteau Twins, Thin White Rope, Pale Saints, Flying Saucer Attack, > Dinosaur Jr., the Cure, Smiths, Morrissey, Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Husker Du, > Naked Raygun, Current 93, Smashing Pumpkins, Stereolab, R.E.M., Lush, Swans, > Superchunk, Throwing Muses, His Name Is Alive etc. Of course there are the > expected favorites like Tangerine Dream, Can, Gong, Ozric Tentacles etc. also. > I don't know what this proves. Just thought you'd be interested. i own material from quite a few of the bands you mentioned,and a whole slew of other bands that you didn't mention.for instance, i have one of very few copies of the best video available from GBV,that i can almost guarrantee you don't have.(not gloating,merely pointing out that my interest in them is deep enough that i have inside lines to the band.send me a blank tape and postage and i will be happy to make you a copy.) did it ever occur to you that the reason hw listmembers tastes seem limited is that this list is for discussing hw and hw related (boc too,of course)?i mean,if ya wanna talk about soundgarden,or garbage,or splashing bumpkins,or phish,or the church,or suzanne vega,or praxis,or seal,or the red hot chili peppers,or the screaming trees,or current93,or the bevis frond,or swervedriver,or steroid maximus, or blodwyn pig, or blood oranges,or suburban blues,or any of many others,just find a way to connect it to hw or boc. im not gonna get nasty,but i think we would all like to hear an apology of sorts from you. for there are no two ways about it,and no debate- YOU ARE WRONG. > PS: After seeing the Love In Space video, I don't feel so antagonistic > toward Ron Tree! glad to hear that......sounds like you're broadening your horizons a bit. ;) rj From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Feb 5 00:18:59 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:18:59 +1000 Subject: OFF: Sonique's WWW Pages offline Message-ID: Hi, This is just a warning that ALL of the pcmicro.com.au system will be offline for 48 hrs from next Wednesday, February the 12th, so that a new UPS system can be installed. This means that the WWW pages and mail will not operate over this period .... so if you have problems you know why! Best, Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Feb 5 01:24:39 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 00:24:39 -0600 Subject: OFF: Rush fans on this discussion list In-Reply-To: <19970204.222905.13318.0.IanFines@juno.com> Message-ID: Someone else wrote: > >OH and I first saw Ron Tree on VH-1 and thought he's fine. When I To which Ian Fines replied: > You saw Ron on VH1? I can't see Ron as fitting in with adult > contemporary... I think he means British VH-1, which is substantially different from the Yank version of VH-1. Would any of you who have spent considerable time in both the UK and the US care to compare and contrast the two stations? Remember to use "5-paragraph form". :-) Damon From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Tue Feb 4 20:34:37 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 01:34:37 -0000 Subject: Rush fans on the BOC-L dicuession list Message-ID: > > > >OH and I first saw Ron Tree on VH-1 and thought he's fine. When I > > You saw Ron on VH1? I can't see Ron as fitting in with adult > contemporary... IT WAS EUROPE VH1..... they did love in space and silvermachine,plus interviews with ron and dave. pretty cool... rj From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Feb 5 01:45:13 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 00:45:13 -0600 Subject: OFF: Rush fans on BOC-L In-Reply-To: <199702050342.WAA19895@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, RJ replied to SOMEONE ELSE who said: > >Even though I'm a huge HW fan, I must admit that many of the fans (of > >both bands at BOC-l) seem like stuck-in-the-mud types with musical > >interests that ceased growing approximately 20 years ago. I mean there > >have been an awful lot of great bands from every time period, and I > >guess I just get a little upset sometimes with the narrowness of some > >people's tastes. [ A portion of both the original message and RJ's reply consisted of a large list of musical interests of various HW fans. ] OK, guys... you asked for it. If you don't want to read this, press the "D" button now. The following is a list of all bands/artists/etc. that I own at least one thing of and actually have an interest in: Ian Anderson Anubian Lights The Art of Noise Astralasia Banco de Gaia Beautiful People Adrian Belew Bjork David Bowie Dave Brock David Byrne California Guitar Trio The Cars Chicago Cluster & Eno Phil Collins CSNY Edgar Cruz Dali's Car Dead Can Dance Dire Straits Thomas Dolby Earth To Infinity Eat Static 801 Electric Skychurch ELP Eno Eno/Byrne Eno/Cale Farflung stuff from FAX records Fleetwood Mac Focus Fonya Christopher Franke Frankie Goes To Hollywood Fripp/Eno Fripp Fripp/League of Gentlemen Fripp/ " " Crafty Guitarists Fripp String Quintet Edgar Froese P.Gabriel Genesis Lisa Gerrard D.Gilmour Gong Jean Guillou's organ transcription of "Pics at an Exhibition" Trey Gunn Steve Hackett Daryl Hall Hawkwind Higher Intelligence Agency S.Hillage Roger Hodgson Steve Howe Billy Idol Iona Jam & Spoon Jethro Tull Elton John Journey Mick Karn King Crimson Kraftwerk Caroline Lavelle Marillion Moodswings Moody Blues The Nice No-Man Mike Oldfield The Orb W.Orbit Orbital Ozrics Alan Parsons Project Pink Floyd The Police Polytown Porcupine Tree A Positive Life Pressurehed Queen Rain Tree Crow Rush Saga Seal Soft Machine Sounds From the Ground Spiral Realms Chris Squire [guess how many of his I have... :-P ] Stone Roses Richard Strauss Supertramp David Sylvian Sylvian/Fripp System 7 Talking Heads Tangerine Dream Tears For Fears Tellus (check out http://www.onramp.net/~tellus/) 10cc Ten Seconds Torch Song Traffic Trancendental Anarchists Nik Turner U.K. Van der Graaf Generator Vangelis Voices of Kwahn Rick Wakeman Roger Waters Yes One/Two/Three A.D. (waveform records compilations) >From Here To Tranquility 1,2,3 "Toys" soundtrack Trance Europe Express 1,2,3 From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Feb 5 04:04:33 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 04:04:33 -0500 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L Message-ID: My, isn't this an interesting thread! I certainly count myself among the Rush/progressive fans on BOC-L, and was also surprised to discover how many of us there are. Heck, I remember talking to Bolle Gregmar (Mr. BOC fan club) on the phone one time. I admitted to him that, while I was very fond of BOC, it was not in fact my favorite band. He asked me who my favorite band was, and I replied "Seventies Yes." Imagine my surprise when he said, "Ah, a man of good taste!" and revealed that Yes is one of his favorite bands as well! I'm still a tad puzzled by the quantity of progressive fans who are also BOC fans, since so little BOC music could be described as progressive, but there it is. Maybe it has something to do with the intelligence of the lyrics the band bases their music around (Pearlman, Meltzer, Smith, Moorcock) which is certainly up there with the best the progressives have to offer. Musically, however, BOC--even at its most complex--is far less sophisticated than the progressive bands. Now, as far as ignoring more recent bands goes, I only have this to say: I, too, am someone who was born (1965) long before I became seriously interested in music (early to mid-eighties), but (as is my wont) I gravitated toward the more sophisticated music once I had discovered it, and (surprise, surprise) most of the best music turns out to have been created in the early to mid-seventies. Given the limitations most of us have upon the amount of time we can spend with our music, and the comparative lack of quality of most music of the past couple of decades, why bother with most of the new stuff? I stick with the good stuff! Expose me to some recent good stuff (like, say, Bela Fleck and the Flecktones) and I'll latch onto that, too, but given the musical wasteland of the eighties and nineties, I'm not going to go out of my way to experiment with newer material. Gee, I hope the above didn't come across as too strident. I'd hate to have my first experience with being "flamed." :-) SET P.S. Here's something that always annoys me, and perhaps some of you too. Doesn't it drive you crazy whenever the general public equates seventies music with disco? Maybe it's that short term memory thing, and all they remember is 1979 or something, but they conveniently forget they there were a heck of a lot of years to the seventies before disco came along! Of course, disco did herald the downfall of most intelligent popular music, so I guess its historical significance can't be denied, but still... From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Feb 5 04:49:56 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:49:56 UT Subject: OFF: Detroit and 70s (was RE: Rush fans on BOC-L) Message-ID: Ian says >>ObCD: The Stooges - _Fun House_ >> >> >Great disc...but are you a fan of the late, great MC5? > >Later. Well obviously! :) Not only relevant to both list bands ("Kick Out the Jams"), plus Lemmy (listing _Back in the USA_ as his fave album in an old MH tour booklet), but I've been plugging brother Wayne Kramer's 1996 album _Dangerous Madness_ till everyone's fed up with me... The Steven said >Doesn't it drive you crazy whenever the general public equates seventies >music with disco? I thought they always equated it with glam? Although I admit you can make a case for saying that the most important release of 1976-7 wasn't "Anarchy in the UK", but "I Feel Love". - Andy ObCD: David Bowie - _Earthling_. The old sod goes all drum'n'bass, and it mostly works! Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Wed Feb 5 06:19:27 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 11:19:27 +0000 Subject: OFF: Rush fans on BOC-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No Swans or Prong? Perhaps they are just a bit too progressive! Martin On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, QUEST wrote: > On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, RJ replied to SOMEONE ELSE who said: > > >Even though I'm a huge HW fan, I must admit that many of the fans (of > > >both bands at BOC-l) seem like stuck-in-the-mud types with musical > > >interests that ceased growing approximately 20 years ago. I mean there > > >have been an awful lot of great bands from every time period, and I > > >guess I just get a little upset sometimes with the narrowness of some > > >people's tastes. > > [ A portion of both the original message and RJ's reply consisted of a > large list of musical interests of various HW fans. ] > > OK, guys... you asked for it. If you don't want to read this, press the > "D" button now. The following is a list of all bands/artists/etc. that I > own at least one thing of and actually have an interest in: > > Ian Anderson > Anubian Lights > The Art of Noise > Astralasia > Banco de Gaia > Beautiful People > Adrian Belew > Bjork > David Bowie > Dave Brock > David Byrne > California Guitar Trio > The Cars > Chicago > Cluster & Eno > Phil Collins > CSNY > Edgar Cruz > Dali's Car > Dead Can Dance > Dire Straits > Thomas Dolby > Earth To Infinity > Eat Static > 801 > Electric Skychurch > ELP > Eno > Eno/Byrne > Eno/Cale > Farflung > stuff from FAX records > Fleetwood Mac > Focus > Fonya > Christopher Franke > Frankie Goes To Hollywood > Fripp/Eno > Fripp > Fripp/League of Gentlemen > Fripp/ " " Crafty Guitarists > Fripp String Quintet > Edgar Froese > P.Gabriel > Genesis > Lisa Gerrard > D.Gilmour > Gong > Jean Guillou's organ transcription of "Pics at an Exhibition" > Trey Gunn > Steve Hackett > Daryl Hall > Hawkwind > Higher Intelligence Agency > S.Hillage > Roger Hodgson > Steve Howe > Billy Idol > Iona > Jam & Spoon > Jethro Tull > Elton John > Journey > Mick Karn > King Crimson > Kraftwerk > Caroline Lavelle > Marillion > Moodswings > Moody Blues > The Nice > No-Man > Mike Oldfield > The Orb > W.Orbit > Orbital > Ozrics > Alan Parsons Project > Pink Floyd > The Police > Polytown > Porcupine Tree > A Positive Life > Pressurehed > Queen > Rain Tree Crow > Rush > Saga > Seal > Soft Machine > Sounds From the Ground > Spiral Realms > Chris Squire [guess how many of his I have... :-P ] > Stone Roses > Richard Strauss > Supertramp > David Sylvian > Sylvian/Fripp > System 7 > Talking Heads > Tangerine Dream > Tears For Fears > Tellus (check out http://www.onramp.net/~tellus/) > 10cc > Ten Seconds > Torch Song > Traffic > Trancendental Anarchists > Nik Turner > U.K. > Van der Graaf Generator > Vangelis > Voices of Kwahn > Rick Wakeman > Roger Waters > Yes > One/Two/Three A.D. (waveform records compilations) > >From Here To Tranquility 1,2,3 > "Toys" soundtrack > Trance Europe Express 1,2,3 > From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed Feb 5 07:19:14 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:19:14 GMT Subject: Rush Fans on the BOC-L dicuession list Message-ID: hi I only saw ron with Hawkwind. Not on his own. VH-1 take it to the bridge programe is quite good. Has Blues to bands like Hawkwind but don't watch the best of the year programe becasue then they only play the charting bands, of whihc I like none (part from Status quo) Timmmy Fintan Langner 96163497 at brookes.ac.uk Working for: *************************** ******************** **** **** * Oxygen 107.9FM * * 24 hours day * *OX* *YG* * Can you face the music? * * but please make * * E * 107.9 * N * ********* ********* ******* ******* * * FM * * * UK's * * a * * * * * * * * first * * big * * ** * * ** * * student * *effort* * * * * * * * * radio * * to * * * * * * * * station * *listen* * * * * * * * to get * *to the* * * * * * * full 8 * ******* ******* * * Don't * * * year * * Interview Show * * * miss * * * lience * *With Midlands bank* * * out * * *********** ******************** **** **** STARTS FRI 14THth FEB 97!!!! Wednesdays 21pm-21.30pm Oxygen 107.9 From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed Feb 5 07:25:02 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:25:02 GMT Subject: Rush fans on BOL-disscussion ist Message-ID: Hi Did they actualy interview Ron tree? Or was di they interview him and cut it out of the broadcast, since I'm sure i've only got Dave Brook on video. Still great show. Did hawkwind do love in sapce live? Since I never saw any keyboards? Timmmy Fintan Langner 96163497 at brookes.ac.uk Working for: *************************** ******************** **** **** * Oxygen 107.9FM * * 24 hours day * *OX* *YG* * Can you face the music? * * but please make * * E * 107.9 * N * ********* ********* ******* ******* * * FM * * * UK's * * a * * * * * * * * first * * big * * ** * * ** * * student * *effort* * * * * * * * * radio * * to * * * * * * * * station * *listen* * * * * * * * to get * *to the* * * * * * * full 8 * ******* ******* * * Don't * * * year * * Interview Show * * * miss * * * lience * *With Midlands bank* * * out * * *********** ******************** **** **** STARTS FRI 14THth FEB 97!!!! Wednesdays 21pm-21.30pm Oxygen 107.9 From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed Feb 5 08:54:28 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:54:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Disco & the 70's Message-ID: >P.S. Here's something that always annoys me, and perhaps some of you too. > Doesn't it drive you crazy whenever the general public equates seventies >music with disco? Maybe it's that short term memory thing, and all they >remember is 1979 or something, but they conveniently forget they there were a >heck of a lot of years to the seventies before disco came along! Pretty damn true ! >Of course, >disco did herald the downfall of most intelligent popular music, so I guess >its historical significance can't be denied, but still... And also, in my case, disco was kind of my initiation into music, my doorway in. That (and The Police) was the first kind of music I really got to listen to (especially the Bee Gees, Village People and Abba), even though - as I've said - I didn't get to buy anything seriously until the mid-80's when the disco era was almost over. So I quickly grew out of it. But because disco was one of my first contacts with music, I will always keep a certain (nostalgic, I guess) fondness for this particular kind of music. And, heck, I still like the Bee Gees ! There, I said it *grin* Then again, I also listened to a lot of country music back in the late 70's early 80's (on the radio, of course, like the above), but unlike disco, I don't retain any particular kind of nostalgic feelings for that kind of music nowadays. I don't hate it, and can listen to some stuff once in a while (in particular Garth Brooks or Linda Ronstadt), but I can do quite fine without, thank you ! :-) Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 5 04:57:07 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:57:07 -0000 Subject: OFF: Rush fans on BOC-L Message-ID: > OK, guys... you asked for it. If you don't want to read this, press the > "D" button now. The following is a list of all bands/artists/etc. that I > own at least one thing of and actually have an interest in: > heheh,if you want to post a list based on that criteria,i'd be here typing all day.... i got cd racks lining 3 walls.......and i wont even think about vinyl and cassettes..... hehe.... rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 5 05:02:05 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:02:05 -0000 Subject: Rush fans on BOL-disscussion ist Message-ID: > Hi > > Did they actualy interview Ron tree? Or was di they interview him and cut it > out of the broadcast, since I'm sure i've only got Dave Brook on video. Still > great show. Did hawkwind do love in sapce live? Since I never saw any > keyboards? > ron and dave were interviewed together...ron didn't say too much.. yes,they did love in space..using sequences and/or tapeloops i guess...i cant remember what i saw as far as what dave was doing. rj From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed Feb 5 10:38:52 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:38:52 GMT Subject: Rush fans on BOL-disscussion list Message-ID: >ron and dave were interviewed together...ron didn't say too much.. >yes,they did love in space..using sequences and/or tapeloops i guess...i >cant remember what i saw as far as what dave was doing. rj >From what I have on video from taek it to the bridge. Dabe brook was interviewed. I don't rmeber ron being interviewed. Also Dave brooke was just playing the guitar (heavier than the love in space version because of this) and Alan Davy of on bass. The drums were eletronic. Although the one on Love in Space is very good, I really like this one, and like most hawkwind tv apperences/live bootlegs slightly better than the live, Altohugh the intro on the lvie is better and it is much longer. Timmmy Fintan Langner 96163497 at brookes.ac.uk Working for: *************************** ******************** **** **** * Oxygen 107.9FM * * 24 hours day * *OX* *YG* * Can you face the music? * * but please make * * E * 107.9 * N * ********* ********* ******* ******* * * FM * * * UK's * * a * * * * * * * * first * * big * * ** * * ** * * student * *effort* * * * * * * * * radio * * to * * * * * * * * station * *listen* * * * * * * * to get * *to the* * * * * * * full 8 * ******* ******* * * Don't * * * year * * Interview Show * * * miss * * * lience * *With Midlands bank* * * out * * *********** ******************** **** **** STARTS FRI 14THth FEB 97!!!! Wednesdays 21pm-21.30pm Oxygen 107.9 From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Feb 5 10:34:42 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:34:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: VH-1 Message-ID: >I think he means British VH-1, which is substantially different from the >Yank version of VH-1. Would any of you who have spent considerable time >in both the UK and the US care to compare and contrast the two stations? >Remember to use "5-paragraph form". :-) > >Damon A good example of the US VH1 is that they are showing the _new_ video by the Village People, "Discoteque". BTW has anyone caught this, its groovy, man ;-) Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Feb 5 10:38:48 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:38:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: Rush fans on BOC-L Message-ID: >> >guess I just get a little upset sometimes with the narrowness of some >> >people's tastes. > >OK, guys... you asked for it. If you don't want to read this, press the >"D" button now. The following is a list of all bands/artists/etc. that I >own at least one thing of and actually have an interest in: Bands alphabetically A-U deleted >Van der Graaf Generator >Vangelis >Voices of Kwahn What? You don't list the Village People. How narrow minded! :-) M From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Wed Feb 5 11:10:26 1997 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 11:10:26 -0500 Subject: Patti Smith - Revenge Of Vera Gemini Message-ID: Hi Jerry. Just found out that the tradelist I sent you the other day was unreadable. I have corrected the problem and attached the readable tradelist to this email. Sorry for the screwup! Let me know when you're ready to trade! Ric From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed Feb 5 11:32:21 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:32:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: About the narrowness of BOC-Lers... Message-ID: >I just get a little upset >sometimes with the narrowness of some people's tastes. Does anybody on this >list buy music by relatively "new" bands which aren't related to HW or BOC? One more thing about this thread. I've been thinking about it some more, and I really think John has gone too far. I mean, John, do you know me ? do you know any of the people on this list, I mean personally ? What right do you have to say that BOC-Lers are "narrow" ? And even if you knew any of us, it's not yours to judge other people, whether it be on their musical tastes or otherwise. People are free to like and listen to whatever they choose. You should be careful in your choice of words. BTW, in my mini-list of current bands I listen to, I forgot to mention (shame on me !) two of my favorites : Queensryche and Dream Theater. See what happens when you get TOO eclectic ? ;-) Oh, and of course, I should also mention tBS. And BOC. Hmm ? What do you mean BOC's not a "recent band" ? Sheesh. ;-)) Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Feb 5 11:37:34 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 08:37:34 -0800 Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: Dave Berry wrote: >My vote goes to Dagmar Krause of Henry Cow, in the middle of the >"Oslo" improvisation on "Concerts". Well, I never expected to see Henry Cow mentione on this list! Right on, Dave!!! You are as beautiful as the moon and as terrible as an army with banners :-{)> Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" -R.E.M. My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Feb 5 04:11:47 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:11:47 +0800 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > > On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, John Majka wrote: > > > Even though I'm a > > huge HW fan, I must admit that many of the fans (of both bands at BOC-l)seem > > like stuck-in-the-mud types with musical interests that ceased growing > > approximately 20 years ago. I mean there have been an awful lot of great > > bands from every time period, and I guess I just get a little upset > > sometimes with the narrowness of some people's tastes. Does anybody on this > > list buy music by relatively "new" bands which aren't related to HW or BOC? > > [list of bands omitted.] > > > I don't know what this proves. > > This proves once again that every so often someone is determined to start > the "my musical tastes are more diverse than yours" pissing contest on > BOC-L. Congratulations! You are this month's winner! > Looking through the list of bands regarded as relatively "new", most of the ones that I do know of aren't really, in my own view, all that creative or original. Anyway, nobody should really comment on other peoples tastes, when they do not really know what is amongst their collection. My own collection of over 1,000 albums, CD's, etc., has a large diversity (apart from the obvious HW, Gong, Pink Floyd, Tangerine Dream, etc..),including Steeleye Span, Mike Batt, Gary Glitter, The Orb, 10cc, Sandy Denny, System 7, XTC, Barbara Dickson, Generation X, Ian Hunter, Nick Drake, John Williams (the guitarist), Roy Harper, as well as some other mixtures. About the only things I don't have are crap like Saturday Night Fever, rap, disco, soul, etc., etc.. I may buy some of the current artists, but since I've been collecting for so long, I haven't got the time or money to buy everything that's out there. Anyhow, since there are so many recordings out there by all the artists I like, and also as I haven't really heard much new material that I haven't heard before, this limits me from buying much of the current material. Anyway, I find that a lot of the current artists have run out of new ideas. One of the current biggies, Oasis, are a case in point. I heard one song by them (something with "Cigarettes" in the title) which was a T Rex rip-off. After the song was played on the radio, the announcer referred to another song by them which apparently rips-off "Timothy Leary's Dead" by The Moody Blues. I think a lot of what's current are taking sounds from popular artists of the past, because their current young fans have never heard the originals because they wouldn't be seen dead buying the originals. I think this may be part of the problem. Because a lot of us listen to older artists more, does not mean we have less diversity in musical tastes. In fact the opposite is the case, because a lot of the younger generation seem to think of the older artists as being from their parents era, and cannot see how, for example, Deep Purple is heavier than Pearl Jam, or whatever. Sorry if my email is long winded, but I just had to get it of my chest. William From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed Feb 5 11:58:17 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:58:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: VH-1 Message-ID: > A good example of the US VH1 is that they are showing the >_new_ video by the Village People, "Discoteque". > BTW has anyone caught this, its groovy, man ;-) By the Village People ? *LOL* I take it this is humor, right ? ;-) But yeah, I've heard it and I love it. Waiting for the album... Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 5 11:00:36 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:00:36 EDT Subject: OFF: About the narrowness of BOC-Lers... Message-ID: > From: "Alex S. Garcia" > >I just get a little upset > >sometimes with the narrowness of some people's tastes. Does anybody on this > >list buy music by relatively "new" bands which aren't related to HW or BOC? > > One more thing about this thread. I've been thinking about it some more, and > I really think John has gone too far. I mean, John, do you know me ? do you > know any of the people on this list, I mean personally ? What right do you > have to say that BOC-Lers are "narrow" ? And even if you knew any of us, > it's not yours to judge other people, whether it be on their musical tastes > or otherwise. People are free to like and listen to whatever they choose. > You should be careful in your choice of words. > Alex, Right you are! First off, what difference does it make if someone has a huge collection of music if I don't happen to like those bands? A larege collection of music is only meaningful to someone who enjoys all those bands. Second, who cares if anyone on this list buys discs by 'new' groups? This IS a HW/BOC list, fer crisesakes! A taste for 'new' material is relevent here only tangentially... theo From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Feb 5 12:14:29 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:14:29 +0000 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 05 Feb 1997 17:11:47 +0800." <32F84ED3.2216@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: I support the edict that statements of one's diversity of musical taste shouldn't exceed the ObCD: line :-) Discussion on the list of bands outside of those that define the boundary of the forum seems a bit pointless doesn't it ? Tim ob ObCD: East 17 _Steam_ From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Feb 5 12:26:24 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:26:24 -0800 Subject: Turntables Message-ID: rj wrote: >i got the vinyl,but i hate using my >turntable(cos it involves moving the >mountain of crap on top of it.) ;) Simple, take the lid off the turntable: you won't be able to pile crap on top of it then, AND it'll sound better. Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" -R.E.M. My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From stayer at PI.NET Wed Feb 5 21:20:44 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:20:44 -0800 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L Message-ID: John Majka wrote: > Well, I remember a Neil Peart radio interview maybe around 1988 or so in > which he mentioned that they had opened for Hawkwind on the Caress of Steel > tour (which among Rush trivia buffs is known as the tour and album for which > the band as well as the fans had the least amount of enthusiasm). Er... I love Caress Of Steel! Jerry _________________________________________ "he only sees through honesty and clarity the loss of sanctuary's divinity he's afraid of time" From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 5 04:43:19 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:43:19 +0000 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L In-Reply-To: <199702050026.TAA29498@wcic.org> Message-ID: In message <199702050026.TAA29498 at wcic.org>, John Majka writes > Guided By >Voices, Cocteau Twins, Thin White Rope, Pale Saints, Flying Saucer Attack, >Dinosaur Jr., the Cure, Smiths, Morrissey, Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Husker Du, >Naked Raygun, Current 93, Smashing Pumpkins, Stereolab, R.E.M., Lush, Swans, >Superchunk, Throwing Muses, His Name Is Alive etc. All these bands are 10 plus years old (apart from FSA). They're all great (apart from Morrisey who stinks) but in their way as time-locked as anyone else. I saw the Cure at the Marquee in 1979, fer chrissakes! Howcum you're not listening to Orbital. Prodigy, Leftfield, Black Grape, Red Snapper, Underworld, FSOL, Coldcut, Goldie or LTJ Bukem or Placebo all of whom are a couple of years old themselves and are in fact really obvious . And I don't see any Detroit Techno there, either :-P Sorry for rising to the bait, everyone, I couldn't resist it. -- Jon Browne ObCD - The Orb - Toxygene, then I'm afraid it's Pebbles Vol.4 "Various Hodads - Rare 60's Surf / Rod Classics From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Feb 5 13:02:23 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:02:23 -0800 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L Message-ID: >Great disc...but are you a fan of the late, great MC5? > >Later. > Kick out the jams M*therf*ckers Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" -R.E.M. My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 5 12:06:01 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:06:01 EDT Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations Message-ID: > From: bart > I support the edict that statements of one's diversity of musical taste > shouldn't exceed the ObCD: line :-) > My dad can kick your dad's ass! My mom's prettier than yours! My dog's smarter than yours! I'll go get my big brother to kick your ass!... > Discussion on the list of bands outside of those that define the boundary of > the forum seems a bit pointless doesn't it ? > > > Tim Yes indeed except if a logical connection can be made. Which several people attempted to do when the thread started. Unfortunately, it turned into a pissing contest. Now if BOC would only get that album out, everyone could discuss that instead of the size of their organs [vicariously] theo > > ob ObCD: East 17 _Steam_ > From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Feb 5 13:18:41 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:18:41 -0500 Subject: tapes and things In-Reply-To: <32F5AFBC.36BE@micron.net> from "Cliff & Pam Wheaton" at Feb 3, 97 02:28:28 am Message-ID: Cliff & Pam Wheaton writes: > > How about Robert Plant in the "Immigrant Song"? ahhh...Yeah!! :) I still > maintain that Geddy's truly awesome scream in "Cygnus X-1" is the > best:) But I'm willing to check others out as well:)Comparison is good! > Pam You mean: "Sound and fury 'round my hull, Everything is BLAHBLAHBLAH!!!!!!!" I love that too. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 5 13:16:18 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:16:18 -0500 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: Check out the latest issue of Seconds magazine for some cool stuff on BOC. There's interviews (and pictures) with Bloom and Buck, Albert Bouchard, and Sandy Pearlman. Here's a few interesting snippets: Bloom: "When we were left-of-center we did our best work. Every time we tried to get towards the median we stepped on our dicks..." Bloom makes a public apology to Gene Simmons and KISS for "stupid things" he said about them back in the 70s Dharma: "America is the country where shit floats" Bloom indicates that no-one in the current band does drugs - anymore. He also mentioned his "pro-pot" rap he used to do - apparently Allen Lanier was the one who first told him that he didn't agree with Bloom promoting it. Al Bouchard (on his first band with Buck, The Disciples): "We sucked" Al wrote a few articles for "Crawdaddy" magazine (hey Al, got any of those still around? Might be interestin' reading...) According to Al: Bloom threatened to quit if "The Reaper" was put on *Agents of Fortune*, but the band overruled him. He also threatened to quit if they put "Fire of Unknown Origin" instead of "Tenderloin" on AoF, and the band relented on that one. Al on Buck: "I've talked to him several times and we correspond via E-mail, but I don't know him anymore. I feel a sense of loss about that..." and on BOC in general these days: "I've decided not to hate these guys anymore. It's just a waste of my energy. I've hated them long enough; it's time to bury the hatchet." Pearlman (on *Club Ninja): "...an unspeakably horrible record. I really wanted not to be involved with making Club Ninja. There was no material." Pearlman (on BOC material): "...there are things left on the cutting room floor... it didn't happen and a lot of it is unfortunately just a function of the decisions the record company made and then the increasingly negative attitude the record company took toward the band as the years went by." Pearlman claims it was Albert, not Bloom, that threatened to leave if "The Reaper" was on AoF. Pearlman (on Some Enchanted Evening): "Eric was tortured into making that record..." Pearlman (on Imaginos): "Columbia gave me money to create this thing using a lot of musicians, not Blue Oyster Cult. It was NOT Albert's solo album. I don't know where this comes from. It was just an idea. We were going to use all sorts of singers and Albert was going to be one of them...I had written the lyrics and come up with the story...I read somewhere that I was invited to work on this with Albert. As far as I know, I had thought this all up...I don't think there was much distortion in what I just said." Pearlman (on current music): "Music is, to a much greater extent than people in music want to believe, reduced to lots of remodularization and recombination. There's just a lot of modular tools and modular contents being plugged in, not in new ways but in different ways. The fanatics and the people who do whatever it takes to make the outcome that they desire happen are no longer in music." Personal observation: Sandy Pearlman may have been a genious, but he certainly KNOWS he was a genious, and continues to believe he is despite having done so little in music for the last, what 10 years? Maybe he's just still doing all the drugs that BOC no longer does. He has some interesting perspective on alot of BOC's career, but I think his views of BOC and the world are too warped by him being so full of himself. Anyways, some great reading - I recommend it to any BOC fan. John From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Feb 5 13:22:15 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:22:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: Screams and things In-Reply-To: <9702030944.AA03891@helena.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> from "shillada@GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM" at Feb 3, 97 09:44:28 am Message-ID: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM writes: > > I can't believe nobody has mentioned Mr Ian Gillan's screaming through most of 'Child in Time'. > > It was this ear splitting display that won him the original part of 'Jesus Christ Superstar'. You know, I guess I really *must* be a connoisseur of screaming, 'cause I love that one too. Not to mention Metal Church's "Gods of Wrath". ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Feb 5 13:26:15 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:26:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: Screams and things In-Reply-To: from "Troy Harris" at Feb 3, 97 09:51:45 pm Message-ID: Troy Harris writes: > > On Mon, 3 Feb 1997 shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM wrote: > > > I can't believe nobody has mentioned Mr Ian Gillan's screaming through most of 'Child in Time'. > > > > It was this ear splitting display that won him the original part of 'Jesus Christ Superstar'. > > Yes, yes, yes. The *only* decent screamers are all heavy metallers. > You want screams? How about Rob Halford on Victim of Changes or Screaming > for Vengeance? Actually, one of the things that disappointed me about the title track from "Screaming for Vengeance" is that it's done at too brisk a pace for Halford to develop one of his really *full-throated* screams (those take time to develop, you can't rush them). Now, "Dreamer Deceiver", *that's* got some bitchin' screams in it. And the greatest thing is the way it works his vocals through *all* of his range, building from the deepest registers right up into the stratospheric, "aren't you glad you're not a dog" screaming. Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Feb 5 13:29:02 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:29:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Screams and things In-Reply-To: <199702031552.KAA17245@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 3, 97 10:52:40 am Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > > Speakin' of Ian Gillan's screaming, does anyone have the record, "Born > Again" that he did with Black Sabbath? Check out "Disturbing the > Priest" for some truly demonic screaming! John, why don't we just get Ben to add in a "SCREAM:" topic declarator for BOC-L post filtering? ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Wed Feb 5 13:51:18 1997 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:51:18 -0500 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: >Pearlman (on *Club Ninja): "...an unspeakably horrible record. I >really wanted not to be involved with making Club Ninja. There was >no material." When is he going to stop beating this dead horse. We know he doesn't like the album. A lot of BOC fans dont like it, but there are a lot that do. Wasn't "Dancing" a top video on MTV??? Maybe he thinks it is "unspeakably horrible" because he didn't have as much input as he would have liked. Who knows... The album is far from "unspeakably horrible" in my opinion. In fact "Perfect Water" is one of my favorite songs of all time (BOC and non-BOC). Does anyone know what the total sales were on this album. I would be curious to know. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Feb 5 14:32:45 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:32:45 -0600 Subject: OFF: VH-1 In-Reply-To: <9702051534.AA04310@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Martyn White wrote: > >I think he means British VH-1, which is substantially different from the > >Yank version of VH-1. Would any of you who have spent considerable time > >in both the UK and the US care to compare and contrast the two stations? > >Remember to use "5-paragraph form". :-) > A good example of the US VH1 is that they are showing the > _new_ video by the Village People, "Discoteque". > BTW has anyone caught this, its groovy, man ;-) Um, you *do* mean U2, not the Village People, right? (Yes, U2 dressed up like the V.People for the video.) Damon From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Feb 5 14:35:53 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:35:53 -0600 Subject: OFF: Rush fans on BOC-L In-Reply-To: <9702051538.AA04445@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Martyn White wrote: > Damon wrote: > >OK, guys... you asked for it. If you don't want to read this, press the > >"D" button now. The following is a list of all bands/artists/etc. that I > >own at least one thing of and actually have an interest in: > > Bands alphabetically A-U deleted > >Van der Graaf Generator > >Vangelis > >Voices of Kwahn > > What? You don't list the Village People. How narrow minded! :-) ...But I *do* have Frankie Goes to Hollywood. Isn't one gay- propagandist group enough? :) Damon From ABrevard at SHL.COM Wed Feb 5 15:35:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:35:00 -0600 Subject: Stuck in the Mud Message-ID: >Ask for a HW fan's top ten bands, though, and >you're more likely to see things like Ozric Tentacles or Gong. Even though I'm a >huge HW fan, I must admit that many of the fans (of both bands at >BOC-l)seem like stuck-in-the-mud types with musical interests that ceased growing >approximately 20 years ago. A pretty general assumption. BOC and HW have been in the industry for quite some time, their offspring+s/relations are probably near the same age. Its more a function of the list and the bands being discussed as opposed to peoples personal taste. Also how many people on this list are part of other discussion groups? You may be presuming because various bands are not discussed people don+t like them. > I mean there have been an awful lot of great >bands from every time period, and I guess I just get a little upset >sometimes with the narrowness of some people's tastes. Does anybody on >this list buy music by relatively "new" bands which aren't related to HW or BOC? >I sometimes wonder. Well since you ask. I+m no music maven, my CD collection is less than 150. Of those they are split pretty evenly between bands who were big in the 70+s 80+s (BOC, Triumph, Frank Marino, Y&T) and bands who have emerged in the 90+s (Queensryche, King+s X, Galactic Cowboys, Gary Hoey, Dream Theater, Threshold, Masquerade, Shadow Gallery, Pink Cream 69, Pretty Maids, Fates Warning etc.,) Granted my 90+s bands aren+t heard on the radio very much but doesn+t mean they aren+t good bands. I+m not familiar with all of your list, OK a few of them, but I don+t write them off as being bad, well Nirvana and the Smashing Pumpkins don+t do much for me 8^). Bottom line if any of the few bands I mentioned grab your attention and you fell like discussing them off line, e-mail me anytime. Most people on this list will tell you I never shut up or stop typing. Be happy to discuss them. 8^) Alex > Whoooooaaaaaaaah ! You're not afraid of getting flamed, are you ? Oh boy, I think there's a war coming :-o- Howls. Were you around for the super sensitive days Alex? >P.S. Here's something that always annoys me, and perhaps some of you too. >Doesn't it drive you crazy whenever the general public equates seventies >music with disco? Maybe it's that short term memory thing, and all they >remember is 1979 or something, but they conveniently forget they there were >a heck of a lot of years to the seventies before disco came along! Of >course, disco did herald the downfall of most intelligent popular music, so I guess >its historical significance can't be denied, but still... Never had that problem. I grew up in Washington, DC, not the suburbs of Maryland or Northern VA but inside the city limits. While New York and LA and these places were doing the hustle with Van McCoy, DC residents remained strong to the church of FUNK, pure unabashed Funk. George Clinton and his many bands were bigger here than anywhere in the world. His album Chocolate City was about DC. We never wavered on disco. Even today you can hear DC+s unique brand of music its called "Go-Go" in night clubs radio stations everywhere. Go Go is totally funk based rhythms. Just scanning the radio stations in your area you may have caught remnants of a song called Let Me Clear My Throat, by DJ Kool. That is the DC sound, accept no imitations. Sorry for the rambling but when it comes to disco, that era never really existed here. Thank God. Rock and Funk is all we knew. And don+t let anybody from the suburbs of Wash. tell you different. 8^) L8er lil ab obcd - Galactic Cowboys - Feel The Rage EP ***************************** Genius and a rebel are the way that you+re perceived But how could anyone be so utterly deceived ***************************** From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Feb 5 14:39:12 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:39:12 -0600 Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated In-Reply-To: J Strobridge "Re: HW: Golden Void page updated" (Jan 31, 2:06am) Message-ID: > yeah - seconded. Excellent site. Thank you! > I note you haven't included Jerry > Richards, I think? This could be relevant now that Alan Davey is going > part time. Also Salt Tank was present at one of the London gigs a couple > of years back. Can't remember who he was now but the extra keyboards > really filled out the sound of the band at the time and I think there > was a strong Hawkwind connection there for a year or so. I should include these two. What instruments did they play with Hawkwind? Also, I don't seem to have information on what instruments John Clark, Clive Dreamer, Rob Heaton, Mick Smith, or Dick Taylor played. Can someone fill these in for me? Actually, I'm not even sure where I got some of these names from anymore. I have also redone the way the files are organized on my site. The only visible changes from this should be that the ".html" on the name is no longer needed (but should still work), and that links you have to any pages below the main page are probably no longer correct. The new, preferred site name is: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/ I also added some new information. The "album extras" page lists Doremi, Quark, and PXR5 now (thanks to Andrew Gilham). I added the "Encounters" page, which has a few interviews and reviews. (Actually, if anyone can tell me who the compilations review is from, I would like to credit them on the page.) There is also a Nikwind concert review on the Social Alliance page. The "Back on the Streets" links page is now online with a couple dozen entries. The Golden Void site is still small, but I am working on it when I get the chance. Thanks for all the encouragement and help. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Matt Groening, creator of "The Simpsons", speaking on fans of "The Simpsons": I have this comic strip called 'Life In Hell', which runs in 200 newspapers, and I get a lot of fan mail from generally articulate, literate people. And now I walk down the street and I see people wearing Simpsons t-shirts who I'm afraid might beat me up, so the quality of fans has broadened. The people who are my fans now frighten me. -- "Newsweek" magazine, June 18, 1990, page 13 From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Feb 5 14:34:42 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:34:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: VH-1 Message-ID: > BTW has anyone caught this, its groovy, man ;-) >Um, you *do* mean U2, not the Village People, right? (Yes, U2 dressed up >like the V.People for the video.) > >Damon I caught the last minute of the video and could have sworn that it was the VP. Are you kidding me??? Martyn From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Feb 5 14:41:55 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:41:55 -0600 Subject: OFF: Unsubstantiated allegations In-Reply-To: <56EF673EF7@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > Now if BOC would only get that album out, everyone could discuss that > instead of the size of their organs [vicariously] My spleen is just about the right size. Thanks for asking, though. :-P Damon From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Feb 5 14:44:34 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:44:34 -0600 Subject: OFF: Rush fans on BOC-L In-Reply-To: <199702051458.JAA24436@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, RJ wrote: > Damon wrote: > > OK, guys... you asked for it. If you don't want to read this, press the > > "D" button now. The following is a list of all bands/artists/etc. that I > > own at least one thing of and actually have an interest in: > > heheh,if you want to post a list based on that criteria,i'd be here typing > all day.... i got cd racks lining 3 walls.......and i wont even think > about vinyl and cassettes..... > > hehe.... rj Yes, but you're older, and therefore have had more time to Kollect. :) Oh, and how many are duplicates? Damon, who has no duplicates From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Feb 5 15:00:05 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:00:05 -0500 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L In-Reply-To: <199702050026.TAA29498@wcic.org> from "John Majka" at Feb 4, 97 07:26:19 pm Message-ID: John Majka writes: > > huge HW fan, I must admit that many of the fans (of both bands at BOC-l)seem > like stuck-in-the-mud types with musical interests that ceased growing > approximately 20 years ago. I mean there have been an awful lot of great > bands from every time period, and I guess I just get a little upset > sometimes with the narrowness of some people's tastes. Does anybody on this > list buy music by relatively "new" bands which aren't related to HW or BOC? > I sometimes wonder. I own 90+ Hawkwind and Hawkwind spinoff CDs in addition > to countless bootleg tapes, videos and vinyl, but just to cite my diversity > (or possible lack of) I also own releases from bands such as: Guided By > Voices, Cocteau Twins, Thin White Rope, Pale Saints, Flying Saucer Attack, > Dinosaur Jr., the Cure, Smiths, Morrissey, Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Husker Du, > Naked Raygun, Current 93, Smashing Pumpkins, Stereolab, R.E.M., Lush, Swans, > Superchunk, Throwing Muses, His Name Is Alive etc. Of course there are the > expected favorites like Tangerine Dream, Can, Gong, Ozric Tentacles etc. also. > I don't know what this proves. ...that your tastes are just as time-locked as anybody's, but in a different decade? ;-) I mean, aside from some Seattle and Chapel Hill stuff, that list basically looks like Attack of the Killer 80's. Good stuff, mind you, I like a lot of the same bands. But they hardly demonstrate that you're any more "current" than the average BOC-L member, many of whom are very well versed in the modern music scene. > Just thought you'd be interested. Well, I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove with this, either. But I *am* pretty sure that (a) we've got people on this list whose diversity of taste will make you feel downright plebeian, and (b) none of us really wants to engage in this dick size war over musical tastes. If you're just trying to prompt discussion of other music, well... it's not an idea entirely without merit, except that the the focus of this mailing list is kept *deliberately* narrow, in order to keep the (already overwhelming) volume of discussion down to a merely deafening roar. Imagine if we opened the floodgates... most of us don't *have* that many hours in the day. ;-) If you're trying to insult people, well, we'd appreciate it if you didn't. We've gone that route before, and nobody gains much from it. By the way, if the former is the case, you might consider signing onto irock, the Imaginitive Rock discussion list. It's a smaller, less "trafficky" mailing that I run, and handles a lot of the spillover of marginally topical material that really doesn't belong on BOC-L (we're currently engaged in a discussion of the state of modern metal, for instance). Drop me a line if you're interested; the list is closed subscription, in order to avoid spam and such. The invitation goes as well to anyone else who thinks that they might be interested. Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Feb 5 15:09:54 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:09:54 -0500 Subject: Stuck in the Mud In-Reply-To: from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Feb 5, 97 02:35:00 pm Message-ID: BREVARD Adrian R. writes: > > Bottom line if any of the few bands I mentioned grab your attention and > you fell like discussing them off line, e-mail me anytime. Most people > on this list will tell you I never shut up or stop typing. Be happy to > discuss them. 8^) 'Struth! At one time I indeed suspected that there were no less than seven distinct Arian Brevards, none of whom ever ate or slept. ;-) Steve, not a small-volume poster himself swann at panix.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 5 15:18:40 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:18:40 -0500 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: Hey Joe - I didn't mean to start another "Bash CN thread"! I'm just relaying some info Pearlman said in a magazine - and I can't say that Pearlman is exactly beating a dead horse - hey, he was asked what he thought of it and he gave his opinion. Yes, there are plenty of folks who like "something" off Club Ninja, but I think it suffers from having not enough songs universally liked among BOC fans, and most people dislike at least half the album. Then again, to coin a Spinal Tap phrase, "perhaps if it had been mixed right..." John From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed Feb 5 15:34:01 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:34:01 EST Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L) Message-ID: >Not only relevant to both list bands ("Kick Out the Jams"), plus Lemmy >(listing _Back in the USA_ as his fave album in an old MH tour >booklet), but >I've been plugging brother Wayne Kramer's 1996 album _Dangerous >Madness_ till >everyone's fed up with me... > > Are you saying that HW did a cover of KOTJ? Wow, Brock doing a Rob Tyner impersonation! And yes, Wayne's last two albums are more than worthwhile listening...I was able to catch him and the great John Sinclair in a small club in Detroit about a year ago. From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed Feb 5 15:34:01 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:34:01 EST Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations Message-ID: Hello. >"Cigarettes" in the title) which was a T Rex rip-off. After the song >was played on the >radio, the announcer referred to another song by them which apparently >rips-off "Timothy >Leary's Dead" by The Moody Blues. I'm sorry I have to correct you, but this really bothers me. The song is called "Legend of a Mind". Every time I go to a Moody Blues concert (I've been to four), there are a bunch of idiots in the audience shrieking "PLAY 'TIMOTHY LEARY'S DEAD' !!!!" . This was especially evident this summer, right after Dr. Tim died. I'm not calling you an idiot, I'm merely expressing a pet peeve. From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed Feb 5 15:36:04 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:36:04 +0100 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: >Pearlman (on Imaginos): "Columbia gave me money to create this thing >using a lot of musicians, not Blue Oyster Cult. It was NOT Albert's >solo album. Right. So it was Sandy Pearlman's solo album *rolls eyes* >Personal observation: Sandy Pearlman may have been a genious, but >he certainly KNOWS he was a genious, and continues to believe he is >despite having done so little in music for the last, what 10 years? >Maybe he's just still doing all the drugs that BOC no longer does. >He has some interesting perspective on alot of BOC's career, but >I think his views of BOC and the world are too warped by him being >so full of himself. I think I agree on this, considering the quotes you posted... >Anyways, some great reading - I recommend it to any BOC fan. I'm in France. How can I get a copy of this ? Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Wed Feb 5 15:38:31 1997 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:38:31 -0500 Subject: this could prove interesting Message-ID: My job at MSU is to prepare the lecture halls for classes. Each morning before the first class of the day I play Tangerine Dream over the PA. There's several reasons for my choice of Tangerine Dream: 1) The music has to be faded out when class begins at 8AM. For some reason, I'm more comfortable with fading out instrumentals than vocal numbers. 2) There's enough Tangerine Dream albums to take me through the whole semester. 3) I *like* Tangerine Dream. (-8 4) I don't want to be too rough on the kiddies: it is before 8AM, after all. 5) I have an easy answer when someone asks, "What was that music you were playing last Wednesday?" (-8 This morning's offering was the soundtrack to _Wavelength_. After class, the professor asked if tomorrow I could bring in "something heavier, something to wake them up." I'll let you know what he thinks of Hawkwind's _Hall Of The Mountain Grill." John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Wed Feb 5 15:40:42 1997 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:40:42 -0500 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: At 03:18 PM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hey Joe - I didn't mean to start another "Bash CN thread"! I'm just >relaying some info Pearlman said in a magazine - and I can't say that >Pearlman is exactly beating a dead horse - hey, he was asked what he >thought of it and he gave his opinion. I have this feeling that most people have negative feelings about this album because it wasn't the original lineup. Just my opinion though... Then maybe again I like it because it was the "new" album when I first got into BOC. (I was 15 years old when I first saw BOC on the Club Ninja Tour - if only I was born a few years earlier and was able to see the original lineup in a stadium tour....) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 5 14:39:20 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:39:20 EDT Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Hey Joe - I didn't mean to start another "Bash CN thread"! I'm just > relaying some info Pearlman said in a magazine - and I can't say that > Pearlman is exactly beating a dead horse - hey, he was asked what he > thought of it and he gave his opinion. > > Yes, there are plenty of folks who like "something" off Club Ninja, but > I think it suffers from having not enough songs universally liked among > BOC fans, and most people dislike at least half the album. Then again, > to coin a Spinal Tap phrase, "perhaps if it had been mixed right..." > > John Just goes to show how careful bands have to be when enlisting outside help. IMHO, the weakest of CN's material is the stuff from Halligan et al. Yet on other records, some of BOC's best stuff came from outsiders, inc. the above Mr. Pearlman. Love him or hate him, ya gotta admit Sandy knew how to write stuff [and produce it] that epitomized BOC, and fit its personnel to the tee. I think Halligan thought he was writing for Judas Priest [again]. Yet some of his tunes for JP weren't bad, and maybe would've done pretty well for BOC. Obviously the guy hadn't a clue of what BOC was really about... Speaking of JP, anyone hear news about a threatened reunion? theo From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Wed Feb 5 15:44:15 1997 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:44:15 -0500 Subject: Feb 16th - Binghampton NY Message-ID: Is anyone going to the show in Binghampton on the 16th??? If so, where did you get tickets from. I am interested in going but I live in Buffalo so I would have to call to get tickets. Any help would be appreciated. From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed Feb 5 15:51:05 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:51:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: VH-1 Message-ID: > I caught the last minute of the video and could have sworn >that it was the VP. Are you kidding me??? Nope. Damon's right. It IS the latest U2, NOT Village People ! *laugh* At least this means their VP imitation was really good if it fooled you. But hey, it being U2 should explain why the song actually is so good ;-) Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed Feb 5 15:51:07 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:51:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: Stuck in the Mud Message-ID: >Alex > Whoooooaaaaaaaah ! You're not afraid of getting flamed, are you ? >Oh boy, I think there's a war coming :-o- > >Howls. Were you around for the super sensitive days Alex? *thinking* I don't think so. But you told me a little about it some time ago :-) Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 5 10:58:55 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:58:55 -0000 Subject: Rush fans on BOL-disscussion list Message-ID: > >From what I have on video from taek it to the bridge. Dabe brook was > interviewed. I don't rmeber ron being interviewed. Also Dave brooke was just > playing the guitar (heavier than the love in space version because of this) and > Alan Davy of on bass. The drums were eletronic. Although the one on Love in > Space is very good, I really like this one, and like most hawkwind tv > apperences/live bootlegs slightly better than the live, Altohugh the intro on > the lvie is better and it is much longer. > that is extremely strange,in my copy,ron is sitting right next to dave during the interview.i am not talking about when the host spoke to dave on stage,but in a chair,between songs. also,my copy clearly shows richard playing drums.(although they are the electronic pad thingies).. whatever...rj From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 5 16:09:26 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:09:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: Alex: Try e-mailing Seconds magazine and inquire about a copy: secondsmag at aol.com John From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 5 11:10:18 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:10:18 -0000 Subject: Turntables Message-ID: chris said: > > Simple, take the lid off the turntable: you won't be able to pile crap on top > of it then, AND it'll sound better. > thanks for the advice,bud,but i prefer crap to dust! ;) besides,i fear i would still pile crap there.its really the only available flat surface near my entertainment center.... rj From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 5 16:13:43 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:13:43 -0500 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: >Yet on other records, some of BOC's best stuff came from outsiders, inc. the above Mr. Pearlman. Love him or hate him, ya gotta admit Sandy knew how to write stuff [and produce it] that epitomized BOC, and fit its personnel to the tee. Or, BOC had a knack for writing very cool music to fit Pearlman's lyrics and images. Probably a little of both. Certainly Pearlman's influence on early BOC can not be denied. BOC later went on with some success without Pearlman. Pearlman freely admits that Club Ninja was the worst thing he's ever been associated with, but he implies that the reason for that is that even he couldn't turn BOC's shit into gold --> note: that's not a quote from him, but my interpretation of what he said in the interview. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 5 16:17:18 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:17:18 -0500 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: > I have this feeling that most people have negative feelings about this album because it wasn't the original lineup. Just my opinion though... Well, that might be an influence on some, but I don't think that's a major reason (unless of course you look at the fact that because the original lineup didn't do it, there was less strong material to draw from). Among other reasons, it was basically looked at as BOC trying to "sell out" with a more pop-oriented record (as they did with Mirrors, although most like that better than Club Ninja) - I quoted Eric from the interview because I thought it was fairly apt - BOC "stepped on their dicks" when they tried to go a more mainstream route. John From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 5 11:16:26 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:16:26 -0000 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations Message-ID: > Yes indeed except if a logical connection can be made. Which several > people attempted to do when the thread started. Unfortunately, it > turned into a pissing contest. Now if BOC would only get that album > out, everyone could discuss that instead of the size of their organs > [vicariously] > > theo > > i dont think anyone is talking about the size of their vicar's organ. ;) i just think some people wanted to make it clear that they are not narrowminded musically. with the following statement,i am not speaking to you theo,but a post to the thread asking it to stop, is still a post to the thread.if it bothers anyone,leave it alone,it will eventually go away. john could end it all,by posting a note admitting his poor choice of words,then we could all be friends again. rj (who has no hard feelings toward anyone,but do to his ineloquence probably seems to.) From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 5 11:17:35 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:17:35 -0000 Subject: OFF: Screams and things Message-ID: > > Troy Harris writes: > > Actually, one of the things that disappointed me about the title track > from "Screaming for Vengeance" is that it's done at too brisk > a pace for Halford to develop one of his really *full-throated* screams > (those take time to develop, you can't rush them). except for in "another thing coming". excellent scream in there...... rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 5 11:26:59 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:26:59 -0000 Subject: OFF: Rush fans on BOC-L Message-ID: ---------- > From: QUEST > > heheh,if you want to post a list based on that criteria,i'd be here typing > > all day.... i got cd racks lining 3 walls.......and i wont even think > > about vinyl and cassettes..... > > > > hehe.... rj > > Yes, but you're older, and therefore have had more time to Kollect. :) > > Oh, and how many are duplicates? > > Damon, who has no duplicates uh,how old do you think i am?????? i was born in 65..... cant be too much older than you... i have been collecting for less than ten years..... ten years ago i owned exactly nothing.(save the clothes that i had to find a way to get washed every couple of days...) as for dups, the only ones i have are the emi remasters.but a lot of my mainstream crap,and classic rock crap was bought thru various music clubs like bmg,where ya get free and half price cds all the time. and while creditcards have done wonders for my collection,i am currently 50k in debt,and paying rent. so,dont think im bragging about my collection,it really is an embarrassment. rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 5 11:30:58 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:30:58 -0000 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: > Yes, there are plenty of folks who like "something" off Club Ninja, but > I think it suffers from having not enough songs universally liked among > BOC fans, and most people dislike at least half the album. Then again, > to coin a Spinal Tap phrase, "perhaps if it had been mixed right..." > > John i think youre right here...about universal liking and all. i can say that i dont >dis warning: i took this disc to work one day and played it. my average aged 19 coworkers cried in horror...what's this?!?! its too mellow!!! go figure...... rj > I'll let you know what he thinks of Hawkwind's _Hall Of The Mountain Grill." > > John McIntyre > Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept > Michigan State University > mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Feb 5 16:36:28 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:36:28 -0500 Subject: this could prove interesting Message-ID: ---------- From: John McIntyre[SMTP:MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 1997 3:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: this could prove interesting My job at MSU is to prepare the lecture halls for classes. Each morning before the first class of the day I play Tangerine Dream over the PA. There's several reasons for my choice of Tangerine Dream: 1) The music has to be faded out when class begins at 8AM. For some reason, I'm more comfortable with fading out instrumentals than vocal numbers. 2) There's enough Tangerine Dream albums to take me through the whole semester. 3) I *like* Tangerine Dream. (-8 Me, too, well most of the early stuff (up until Franke left. From then on, it was downhill, with a few brief glimmers...) 4) I don't want to be too rough on the kiddies: it is before 8AM, after all. 5) I have an easy answer when someone asks, "What was that music you were playing last Wednesday?" (-8 This morning's offering was the soundtrack to _Wavelength_. After class, the professor asked if tomorrow I could bring in "something heavier, something to wake them up." Hey, what about using "Electronic Meditation"???? That'd get the ol' blood pumping...:-> Or perhaps, "Song Of The Whale Pt. 1", or "Diamond Diary" or "Quichotte Pt 2" or (slapping forehead 'cuz this is SO obvious!!!) the part of "Logos Pt. 1" where the vocal effect is "WAKE UP!!" I'll let you know what he thinks of Hawkwind's _Hall Of The Mountain Grill." John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2544 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 5 16:46:51 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:46:51 +0000 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L In-Reply-To: <199702050026.TAA29498@wcic.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, John Majka wrote: > Truth be told, I haven't detected all that many people on this list who are > into progressive rock. Blue Oyster Cult seems to me a band listened to > mainly by die-hard fans of blues-based classic rock. Ask for a BOC fan's > top ten bands, and they're likely to be such things as Bad Company etc. The > Hawkwind camp is definitely more inclined to > experimental/psychedelic/progressive music, but there is still a "rock" > element there as well. Ask for a HW fan's top ten bands, though, and you're > more likely to see things like Ozric Tentacles or Gong. Even though I'm a > huge HW fan, I must admit that many of the fans (of both bands at BOC-l)seem > like stuck-in-the-mud types with musical interests that ceased growing > approximately 20 years ago. I mean there have been an awful lot of great > bands from every time period, and I guess I just get a little upset > sometimes with the narrowness of some people's tastes. Does anybody on this > list buy music by relatively "new" bands which aren't related to HW or BOC? > I sometimes wonder. I own 90+ Hawkwind and Hawkwind spinoff CDs in addition > to countless bootleg tapes, videos and vinyl, but just to cite my diversity > (or possible lack of) I also own releases from bands such as: Guided By > Voices, Cocteau Twins, Thin White Rope, Pale Saints, Flying Saucer Attack, > Dinosaur Jr., the Cure, Smiths, Morrissey, Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Husker Du, > Naked Raygun, Current 93, Smashing Pumpkins, Stereolab, R.E.M., Lush, Swans, > Superchunk, Throwing Muses, His Name Is Alive etc. Of course there are the > expected favorites like Tangerine Dream, Can, Gong, Ozric Tentacles etc. also. > I don't know what this proves. Just thought you'd be interested. While I'm not going to come straight out and disagree with you, you maybe don't know that the Ozrics only formed late eighties, and don't really fit into the sort of time-frame you're giving here. I, for my part, will back Porcupine Tree against all comers... yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Wed Feb 5 16:47:46 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:47:46 CST Subject: this could prove interesting Message-ID: If you want to wake them to Hawkwind, how about the age ol' classic "Master of the Universe"? Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 1997 3:42 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: this could prove interesting warning: i took this disc to work one day and played it. my average aged 19 coworkers cried in horror...what's this?!?! its too mellow!!! go figure...... rj > I'll let you know what he thinks of Hawkwind's _Hall Of The Mountain Grill." > > John McIntyre > Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept > Michigan State University > mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From ABrevard at SHL.COM Wed Feb 5 18:12:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:12:00 -0600 Subject: BOC Article (Its a joke really) Message-ID: Creative editing by lil ab-------> Ted ponders during an AOL chat."Now if BOC would only get that album out,..." Eric Bloom replied ----> Bloom: "When we were left-of-center we did our best work. Every time we tried to get towards the median we stepped on our dicks..." Now we know the reason for the latest delay AND Bloom's lack of activity at recent shows, must still hurt. >Pearlman claims it was Albert, not Bloom, that threatened to leave >if "The Reaper" was on AoF. >According to Al: Bloom threatened to quit if "The Reaper" was put on >*Agents of Fortune*,. Was this a dysfunctional family or what? Guys threatening to quit over a song that would become their biggest single. Dharma: "America is the country where shit floats" {Creative editing by lil ab} "and can often be heard on FM radio too." >Pearlman (on current music): "Music is, to a much greater extent than >people in music want to believe, reduced to lots of remodularization >and recombination {blah blah blah blah.}" John S. "Maybe he's just still doing all the drugs that BOC no longer does.- <------Creative editing by lil ab >Pearlman (on Imaginos): "Columbia gave me money to create this thing >using a lot of musicians, not Blue Oyster Cult. It was NOT Albert's >solo album....." John S.> "I think his views of BOC and the world are too warped by him being so full of himself- <---Creative editing. by lil ab OK John now this post is starting to work for me. Granted Pearlman dosen+t have the advantage Al enjoy+s in this forum but the halcyon days of BOC really seem to differ no matter who you talk to. Al+s version of what happened with Imaginos is the most palusible I have heard thus far and I see no reason to doubt his story. Al Bouchard (on his first band with Buck, The Disciples): "We sucked" Yeah right Al. You and Buck in a band, together, and it sucked? And here I am defending your credibility. > Pearlman (on *Club Ninja): "...an unspeakably horrible record. I really wanted not to be involved with making Club Ninja. There was no material." <---Translation for the BOC impaired " It sucked +cause I didn+t get enough writing credits." Pearlman (on Some Enchanted Evening): "Eric was tortured into making that record..."<----- (?) Naw gotta reserve some modicum of taste though this has some kinky possibilities, especially with all that Village People and Frankie Goes To Hollywood stuff going on Steve Swann>'Struth! At one time I indeed suspected that there were no less than >seven distinct Arian Brevards, none of whom ever ate or slept. ;-) See John M., no greater authority than that. Tell him about the coffee stains on your shirt Steve. 8^). lil ab ****************************** Words of knowledge lacking wisdom were just lies Actions representing the very things that you despise Self deception fill you in the final hour Holding back the wall of fear that threatens to devour *************************** From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Feb 5 17:39:08 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:39:08 -0600 Subject: OFF: Rush fans on BOC-L In-Reply-To: <199702052127.QAA29449@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, RJ wrote: > Damon wrote: > > RJ wrote: > > > heheh,if you want to post a list based on that criteria,i'd be here > > > typing all day.... i got cd racks lining 3 walls.......and i wont > > > even think about vinyl and cassettes..... > > > > > > hehe.... rj > > > > Yes, but you're older, and therefore have had more time to Kollect. :) > > > > Oh, and how many are duplicates? > > > > Damon, who has no duplicates > > uh,how old do you think i am?????? > i was born in 65..... cant be too much older than you... 8 years older, actually. :-) > i have been collecting for less than ten years..... > ten years ago i owned exactly nothing.(save the clothes that i had to find > a way to get washed every couple of days...) I bought my first CD in 9th grade (8 years ago): _Wish You Were Here_. Since high school doesn't give a non-spoiled child like me much opportunity to purchase anything, I had about 60 CDs by the time I graduated. Five years later, I have 520. > as for dups, the only ones i have are the emi remasters. Good for you. :) > but a lot of my mainstream crap,and classic rock crap was bought thru > various music clubs like bmg,where ya get free and half price cds all > the time. I used to do that... I sold (gasp!) a lot of those. > and while creditcards have done wonders for my collection,i am currently > 50k in debt,and paying rent. Aha! See, I don't have a credit history. Believe me, if I had a credit card, I'd probably have about 300 more CDs than I have now, and I'd most definitely be in debt. > so,dont think im bragging about my collection,it really is an > embarrassment. rj Eh, we all have our good and bad sides, not to mention our weird sides. Damon From squinn at PALMNET.NET Wed Feb 5 18:37:57 1997 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:37:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: What is seconds magazine and where can I buy it. Thanks, Shawn From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Feb 5 18:42:42 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:42:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Villiage People fans on BOC-L Message-ID: >>> >guess I just get a little upset sometimes with the narrowness of some >>> >people's tastes. >> > >>OK, guys... you asked for it. If you don't want to read this, press the >>"D" button now. The following is a list of all bands/artists/etc. that I >>own at least one thing of and actually have an interest in: > >Bands alphabetically A-U deleted >>Van der Graaf Generator >>Vangelis >>Voices of Kwahn > >What? You don't list the Village People. How narrow minded! :-) I refuse to listen to anything they put out after they kicked the Knight (the guy in armor) out. He was the most popular and the others were just jealous. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Feb 5 18:42:39 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:42:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Rush fans on this discussion list Message-ID: >Someone else wrote: >> >OH and I first saw Ron Tree on VH-1 and thought he's fine. When I > >To which Ian Fines replied: >> You saw Ron on VH1? I can't see Ron as fitting in with adult >> contemporary... > >I think he means British VH-1, which is substantially different from the >Yank version of VH-1. Would any of you who have spent considerable time >in both the UK and the US care to compare and contrast the two stations? >Remember to use "5-paragraph form". :-) About all I can say is to quote from an old top ten list on David Letterman. It was from the day after the Minnesota Twins turned two triple plays in one game (a feat which had never been accomplished before in the history of baseball), and was something like top then things with a greater statistical improbability than the Twins (a last place team at the time) doing this. About halfway down the list was: Someone watching VH-1 for half an hour without seeing Phil Collins. The top entry was: Someone watching VH-1 for half an hour. ======= Someone told me they'd gotten better since then, but I'd have no idea. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Feb 5 22:01:22 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:01:22 +1000 Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated In-Reply-To: <9702051339.ZM9272@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: On 5 Feb 97 at 13:39, Frank Weil wrote: > Also, I don't seem to have information on what instruments John Clark, > Clive Dreamer, Rob Heaton, Mick Smith, or Dick Taylor played. Can > someone fill these in for me? Actually, I'm not even sure where I got > some of these names from anymore. Clive Deamer was the drummer for a while Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Feb 5 23:19:50 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:19:50 -0500 Subject: Rush? In defense of John Message-ID: At 10:41 PM 2/4/97 -0000, you wrote: >im not gonna get nasty,but i think we would all like to hear an apology of >sorts from you. for there are no two ways about it,and no debate- YOU ARE >WRONG. Dear RJ, and some others, I believe John made his observation from what was presented by BOC/HW fans... so tell me how he can he be wrong? In the past couple of months people were asked to post there top 10 albums. Guess what... a very high percent ( a safe estimate would be 85% or more ) of the people on this list did mention bands such as Bad Company, Kansas, and even Reo Speedwagon. So how is his observation wrong? I observed the same lists of top tens as he and the rest of you. As far as the dates that the bands functioned in, I don't think that is the real point of his statement. It is the type of bands... It doesn't mean they suck or anything; it was just an general observation of what the average person on this list likes. When I hear some of you say stuff like Dream Theater or Queensryche it says a lot about what type of music you like as if I were to say The Pixies or Superchunk... anyone who has an idea what those bands are like is safe to say that they have a general idea what I like or where I am coming from with my tastes. Sure I like a million different things ( ok maybe not a million )but if someone said that I generally like stuff in an "indie rock" genre it is a perfectly legit thing to say. Another point I would like to make is that John is not pointing fingers at every single person on the list. whatever........... General Obsevations!!!!! everyone is free to make them so quit your whining.... RJ, I am going to be nasty... This video you are speaking of.. Gee I wonder if this is the same video which is available through "Rockathon" and since you are such a fan with such great connections do you have your copy of "Tonics and Twisted Chasers?" Let me know... because I think your claim of "inside lines" to gbv is that of a pompous ass. Bryan From asg at IMAGINET.FR Wed Feb 5 23:34:27 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 05:34:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: Rush? In defense of John Message-ID: >Dear RJ, and some others, > I believe John made his observation from what was presented by >BOC/HW fans... so tell me how he can he be wrong? In the past couple of >months people were asked to post there top 10 albums. Guess what... a very >high percent ( a safe estimate would be 85% or more ) of the people on this >list did mention bands such as Bad Company, Kansas, and even Reo Speedwagon. >So how is his observation wrong? I observed the same lists of top tens as >he and the rest of you. As far as the dates that the bands functioned in, I >don't think that is the real point of his statement. It is the type of >bands... It doesn't mean they suck or anything; it was just an general >observation of what the average person on this list likes. When I hear some >of you say stuff like Dream Theater or Queensryche it says a lot about what >type of music you like as if I were to say The Pixies or Superchunk... >anyone who has an idea what those bands are like is safe to say that they >have a general idea what I like or where I am coming from with my tastes. >Sure I like a million different things ( ok maybe not a million )but if >someone said that I generally like stuff in an "indie rock" genre it is a >perfectly legit thing to say. Now wait a minute here. You're totally beside the point. The issue here is not whether we like this type of music or this other type. The issue is that John has clearly stated that people who liked "this" kind of music were "narrow". Sure, he can wonder all he wants about people's tastes, there's nothing wrong with that, but judging people "narrow" because of those tastes seems to me quite extreme. And, if it comes down to this, I'd say John is just as narrow as any of us. Furthermore, I'm sorry, but I have to ask : why isn't John himself reacting ? why is it YOU have to take his "defense" ? Now, please note that I'm not angry or flaming, only upset - and more so because of your post. Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Feb 5 23:40:40 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:40:40 -0500 Subject: Rush? In defense of John In-Reply-To: <199702060419.XAA00650@wcic.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, John Majka (or was it his evil twin "Bryan?":) wrote: > Dear RJ, and some others, > I believe John made his observation from what was presented by > BOC/HW fans... so tell me how he can he be wrong? In the past couple of > months people were asked to post there top 10 albums. Guess what... a very > high percent ( a safe estimate would be 85% or more ) of the people on this > list did mention bands such as Bad Company, Kansas, and even Reo Speedwagon. As they say in the adverts, "85% or more of people on this list *who expressed a preference*..." > So how is his observation wrong? I observed the same lists of top tens as > he and the rest of you. [...etc.] > Another point I would like to make is that John is not pointing > fingers at every single person on the list. whatever........... General > Obsevations!!!!! everyone is free to make them so quit your whining.... I think the issue that most people take umbrage at is that John appears to be generalising from a very small sample size. There are currently almost 250 people subscribed to this list. When the "Top 10" pissing contest last ran, I don't remember more than about 20 people taking the bait. That is less than 10% of the total list population. (Who knows how many people are "read-only" subscribers in that they read the list solely via the WWW archives?) It seems a little presumptuous to make such strident generalisations based upon the responses of so few listmembers. I understand that Andy Gilham earns his crust as a statistician. Perhaps he can apprise us of whether John's sample size was large enough a sample size to extrapolate from? (Never mind whether the sample was collected in a statistically valid or meaningful way; garbage in, garbage out.) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Wall of Sleep, _Wall of Sleep_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 5 19:44:51 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 00:44:51 -0000 Subject: Rush? In defense of John Message-ID: dear brian, guess what. i dont care even a little bit what a guy like you thinks. if you care to discuss this further,e-mail me at sprawl at starlinx.com. till then, toodles..... rj From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Feb 6 00:51:50 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 06:51:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated Message-ID: At 13:01 1997-02-06 +1000, you wrote: >On 5 Feb 97 at 13:39, Frank Weil wrote: > >> Also, I don't seem to have information on what instruments John Clark, >> Clive Dreamer, Rob Heaton, Mick Smith, or Dick Taylor played. Can >> someone fill these in for me? Actually, I'm not even sure where I got >> some of these names from anymore. > >Clive Deamer was the drummer for a while > >Paul John Clark's only contribution to the Hawkfamily was the drumming on the Earth Ritual 12" (Night of the Hawks) He did no drumming on stage. Dick Taylor produced the first album - not sure if he played an instrument, but if he did he was at the time lead guitarist of the Pretty Things (a group where Twink did some drumming) \\joe From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Feb 6 00:04:57 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:04:57 +0800 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations Message-ID: Ian R Fines wrote: > > Hello. > >"Cigarettes" in the title) which was a T Rex rip-off. After the song > >was played on the > >radio, the announcer referred to another song by them which apparently > >rips-off "Timothy > >Leary's Dead" by The Moody Blues. > I'm sorry I have to correct you, but this really bothers me. The song is > called "Legend of a Mind". Every time I go to a Moody Blues concert > (I've been to four), there are a bunch of idiots in the audience > shrieking "PLAY 'TIMOTHY LEARY'S DEAD' !!!!" . This was especially > evident this summer, right after Dr. Tim died. I'm not calling you an > idiot, I'm merely expressing a pet peeve. It wasn't me that called the song "Timothy Leary's Dead", it was the radio announcer. I am a fan of the Moody Blues, but couldn't remember the actual title until you mentioned it. Thanks for reminding me, there's nothing worse than knowing a song, but forgeting the title! William From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 03:45:22 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:45:22 +0000 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L In-Reply-To: <32F93FFC.5C7@pi.net> Message-ID: I have a little trouble with the terminology used to describe groups such as Rush and Yes. To my mind, the word 'progressive' implies just that, progression. So, I would say that bands like Henry Cow and Can (at least in their earlier days) were progressive. Bands like Rush, Yes and Genesis I would hesitate to describe, not wanting to cause upset to their huge armies of fans, but to these ears they have not done much progressing since the early 70's!!! Regression, well, that's another matter altogether. But, I guess it is hard to define what exactly is both 'heavy' and 'metal' about certain rock bands, although I have no trouble accepting that Motorhead are 'hard'! No offence meant, btw. Martin From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 03:59:49 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:59:49 +0000 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Feb 4, 97 09:30:42 pm Message-ID: > I mean there have been an awful lot of great > bands from every time period Obviously. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 04:06:45 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:06:45 +0000 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations In-Reply-To: <32F84ED3.2216@iinet.net.au> from "William Duffy" at Feb 5, 97 05:11:47 pm Message-ID: > (apart from the obvious HW, Gong, Pink Floyd, Tangerine Dream, > etc..),including Steeleye Span, Mike Batt, Gary Glitter, The Orb, 10cc, Sandy > Denny, Sandy Denny rules! Though I think in the end I might like June Tabor better :) I spent all of Tuesday night sitting up with a friend from the Fairport Convention mailing list drinking unspeakable quantities of Koelsch and cider while listening to Richard Thompson rarities and other bizarre things of that ilk like the unreleased second Fotheringay album ... Great fun. Steeleye coming back to Cambridge, UK in March, BTW. Their show last year was actually one of the finest concerts of the year for me :) I'd call myself a closet folk-rock fan, but there's nothing terribly closet-y about it ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 04:13:36 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:13:36 +0000 Subject: OFF: About the narrowness of BOC-Lers... In-Reply-To: <55D81716C4@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. EL84" at Feb 5, 97 12:00:36 pm Message-ID: > This IS a HW/BOC list, fer crisesakes! A > taste for 'new' material is relevent here only tangentially... Very true. More general discussion of rock weirdness might be seen to take place on irock ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 04:20:06 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:20:06 +0000 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine In-Reply-To: <199702052018.PAA22396@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 5, 97 03:18:40 pm Message-ID: > Yes, there are plenty of folks who like "something" off Club Ninja, but > I think it suffers from having not enough songs universally liked among > BOC fans, and most people dislike at least half the album. Then again, > to coin a Spinal Tap phrase, "perhaps if it had been mixed right..." Like mixing out everything but Buck's guitar ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 04:22:37 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:22:37 +0000 Subject: this could prove interesting In-Reply-To: <970205153831.21023c14@pa.msu.edu> from "John McIntyre" at Feb 5, 97 03:38:31 pm Message-ID: > After class, the professor asked if tomorrow I could bring in "something > heavier, something to wake them up." > I'll let you know what he thinks of Hawkwind's _Hall Of The Mountain Grill." Go directly to _Space Ritual_. Do not pass "Earth Calling/Born to Go" .... :) _That'll_ wake the little buggers up :) Or how 'bout "Interstellar Overdrive" _really_ loud :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 04:24:46 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:24:46 +0000 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970205154044.28679eb4@buffnet.net> from "Joseph M. Lofft" at Feb 5, 97 03:40:42 pm Message-ID: Re: CN > I have this feeling that most people have negative feelings about this album > because it wasn't the original lineup. Just my opinion though... I personally choose the two tracks off _Bad Channels_ over all of _CN_. Hey, I hadn't really even heard of the band until _long_ after the original lineup was history. And I still think _Imaginos_ is unbelieveably keen and that barely as _any_ of the band on it ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 04:31:21 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:31:21 +0000 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine In-Reply-To: <199702051816.NAA17035@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 5, 97 01:16:18 pm Message-ID: > Pearlman (on Imaginos): "Columbia gave me money to create this thing > using a lot of musicians, not Blue Oyster Cult. It was NOT Albert's > solo album. I don't know where this comes from. Perhaps someone should let him know about all those demo tapes for it Al has. I mean, sure, it was a lot of Pearlman's ideas but was he performing them? If I wrote an entire album full of tunes for Eric Bloom and he recorded them on his own, would that be the Anderson-Bloom Band? No, it would be an Eric solo album. Or was Pearlman thinking of singing? :) Cheers, Carl From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 6 04:28:58 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:28:58 +0000 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations In-Reply-To: <32F84ED3.2216@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: In message <32F84ED3.2216 at iinet.net.au>, William Duffy writes >About the only >things I don't have are crap like Saturday Night Fever, rap, disco, soul, etc., >etc.. Crap like soul????? Aretha Franklin crap? Marvin Gaye crap? Look, There's no such thing as a crap genre. I had this discussion with my brother only two days ago. He argued there was no such thing as crap music. I said when it was contrived purely as a commercial exercise, with no sincerity or art, and failed, then it could be described as crap, Therefore there may be crap soul music but soul music is not crap, niether is rap and not even disco. Music in all forms elevates refreshes, gives hope, strength etc. et bloody cetera. By all means say what you like, but leave out the "this is crap". I'm surprised there's no Cult records in your collection, though, Will :)) -- Jon Browne From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 05:06:40 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:06:40 +0000 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My cousin drummed with Fairport Convention last year, and has had personal tuition from Dave Mattacks (not that he needs it). If you're interested, he is in a fast-rising band called Clarion, who have a cassette and a CD out which, if you're into the whole Fairport thing, are pretty tasty. Martin On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > (apart from the obvious HW, Gong, Pink Floyd, Tangerine Dream, > > etc..),including Steeleye Span, Mike Batt, Gary Glitter, The Orb, 10cc, Sandy > > Denny, > > Sandy Denny rules! Though I think in the end I might like June > Tabor better :) I spent all of Tuesday night sitting up with a friend > from the Fairport Convention mailing list drinking unspeakable quantities > of Koelsch and cider while listening to Richard Thompson rarities and > other bizarre things of that ilk like the unreleased second Fotheringay > album ... > Great fun. > > Steeleye coming back to Cambridge, UK in March, BTW. Their show > last year was actually one of the finest concerts of the year for me :) > > I'd call myself a closet folk-rock fan, but there's nothing terribly > closet-y about it ;) > > Cheers, > Carl > > ************************************************************************* > Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, > cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here > http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." > Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) > ************************************************************************* > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 05:17:17 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:17:17 +0000 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations In-Reply-To: from "dench" at Feb 6, 97 10:06:40 am Message-ID: > My cousin drummed with Fairport Convention last year, and has had personal > tuition from Dave Mattacks (not that he needs it). If you're interested, > he is in a fast-rising band called Clarion, who have a cassette and a CD > out which, if you're into the whole Fairport thing, are pretty tasty. Oh yes--I saw them at Cropedy last year (ObGloat: having the right connections gets you free backstage passes from Fairport :) and they were *very* good. Guitarist got extra points for playing a guitar with humbucking pickups in a folk-rock band (most people seem to use single- coils ...) ... :) It's a small world :) Yes, I should think we shall be seeing more of Clarion in the future! They sounded to me like they could well go places. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 05:19:50 1997 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:19:50 GMT Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: ----- Begin Included Message ----- Cliff & Pam Wheaton writes: > > How about Robert Plant in the "Immigrant Song"? ahhh...Yeah!! :) I still > maintain that Geddy's truly awesome scream in "Cygnus X-1" is the > best:) But I'm willing to check others out as well:)Comparison is good! > Pam ----- End Included Message ----- Check out the scream at the end of "Body Electric" by The Sisters Of Mercy. It's awesome! Now that's not a Hawkfan being narrow minded is it ? :-) Keith From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Feb 6 04:55:49 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:55:49 UT Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L) Message-ID: >Are you saying that HW did a cover of KOTJ? Wow, Brock doing a Rob Tyner >impersonation! Uh - no, after I sent that post I realised I'd phrased it badly. What I meant was BOC did KotJ, and on the HW side, Lemmy was into BitUSA, but I fucked up my punctuation. Sorry! - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Feb 6 05:22:18 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:22:18 UT Subject: Rush? In defense of John Message-ID: >I understand that Andy Gilham >earns his crust as a statistician. Perhaps he can apprise us of whether >John's sample size was large enough a sample size to extrapolate from? Duh - what was the question again? I did run some simple tests on the last hawkpoll, and as I recall, while Space Ritual is unarguably better than Yuri Gagarin, it's anyone's guess which is the best Weird tape. (Nevertheless, I enjoyed the hawkpoll immensely!) Assuming BOC-L is a representative sample of anything but itself is a decidedly dodgy assumption, in my view! (For a start, because the hawkfans on the list are fans of *current* HW - fans who didn't jump ship after Lemmy or Bob left - I feel the later albums score much more highly compared to the early albums than they would from an "unbiased" panel. There's also the simple fact that we all have Internet access, which makes us untypical.) Given that, 250 would probably be enough to give a solid enough result on a simple "yes/no" question (as long as it wasn't closer than about 60/40), but on picking other favourite bands, well unless there's a clear and obvious winner (like the same single band listed by over 30% of respondents), it's statistically a waste of time. And basing conclusions on the dozen or so who rose to the "top ten" bait really tells you nothing about anything except those individuals. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 05:29:47 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:29:47 GMT Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L dicussion list Message-ID: Hi Was your cyop of the VH-1 interview from VH-1 broadcast? Becasue I don't rmeber him being interviewed ina cahir. When was that done? inbetween songs. I have a copy of audio (since I had torbule taping to the stereo video so taped audio sound in stereo and mono video) and she tlaks to dave brook. They play love in sapce which is faded out towards end and then I have adds and then they coem back and do sliver machine and then it moves to someone else. I also tryed to tpae the reshwoing of it the nigth after after and foudn the same thing. Unless my one was rebraodcast but I don't remeber the msayign it. I taped it sunday 14th april and tryed to tape it to video in steroe again on 15th. Timmmy Fintan Langner 96163497 at brookes.ac.uk Working for: *************************** ******************** **** **** * Oxygen 107.9FM * * 24 hours day * *OX* *YG* * Can you face the music? * * but please make * * E * 107.9 * N * ********* ********* ******* ******* * * FM * * * UK's * * a * * * * * * * * first * * big * * ** * * ** * * student * *effort* * * * * * * * * radio * * to * * * * * * * * station * *listen* * * * * * * * to get * *to the* * * * * * * full 8 * ******* ******* * * Don't * * * year * * Interview Show * * * miss * * * lience * *With Midlands bank* * * out * * *********** ******************** **** **** STARTS FRI 14THth FEB 97!!!! Wednesdays 21pm-21.30pm Oxygen 107.9 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 05:31:56 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:31:56 +0000 Subject: tapes and things In-Reply-To: <9702061019.AA17575@eng.hud.ac.uk> from "Keith Barton" at Feb 6, 97 10:19:50 am Message-ID: > Check out the scream at the end of "Body Electric" by The Sisters Of Mercy. > It's awesome! Now that's not a Hawkfan being narrow minded is it ? :-) Yes it is! :) Everyone knows that Eldritch is a massive Hawkwind and Motorhead fan! :) Seriously! Cheers, Carl ObPS: I once saw a great SoM photo with Eldritch resplendant in Motorhead T-shirt :) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 05:38:16 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:38:16 +0000 Subject: Rush? In defense of John In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Feb 6, 97 10:22:18 am Message-ID: > Assuming BOC-L is a representative sample of anything but itself is a > decidedly dodgy assumption, in my view! (For a start, because the hawkfans on > the list are fans of *current* HW - fans who didn't jump ship after Lemmy or > Bob left - I feel the later albums score much more highly compared to the > early albums than they would from an "unbiased" panel. To steer the conversation off in another random direction, I tend to like modern Hawkwind almost as much as Lemmy-era. I'd like them almost the same if it weren't for the superabundance of electronic filler on the modern albums and corresponding lack of guitar 'n' bass driven blanga. I'll put "Mask of Morning" and live versions of "Out of the Shadows" and "Sputnik Stan" up there with _HotMG_ and such like ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 06:04:51 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:04:51 GMT Subject: this could prove interesting Message-ID: Hi I recommend you pay them pardox or wind of change, or even D-rider or hall of the mountain gril. Probably my favourit tracks on the album. Failing that how aobut play shouldn't do that from ISOS? Have you got 15mintues to spear? Orgone acculator is another good one to play, or brainstorm even. May be motorhead. So many good tracks. How you can work otu what to play I don't know. I'd want to be able to play them all. Timmmy Fintan Langner 96163497 at brookes.ac.uk Working for: *************************** ******************** **** **** * Oxygen 107.9FM * * 24 hours day * *OX* *YG* * Can you face the music? * * but please make * * E * 107.9 * N * ********* ********* ******* ******* * * FM * * * UK's * * a * * * * * * * * first * * big * * ** * * ** * * student * *effort* * * * * * * * * radio * * to * * * * * * * * station * *listen* * * * * * * * to get * *to the* * * * * * * full 8 * ******* ******* * * Don't * * * year * * Interview Show * * * miss * * * lience * *With Midlands bank* * * out * * *********** ******************** **** **** STARTS FRI 14THth FEB 97!!!! Wednesdays 21pm-21.30pm Oxygen 107.9 From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Feb 6 06:10:20 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 22:10:20 +1100 Subject: Stuck in the Mud In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, BREVARD Adrian R. wrote: > > Well since you ask. I+m no music maven, my CD collection is less than > 150. Of those they are split pretty evenly between bands who were big > in the 70+s 80+s (BOC, Triumph, Frank Marino, Y&T) and bands who have > emerged in the 90+s (Queensryche, King+s X, Galactic Cowboys, Gary Hoey, > Dream Theater, Threshold, Masquerade, Shadow Gallery, Pink Cream 69, > Pretty Maids, Fates Warning etc.,) Granted my 90+s bands aren+t heard You Got Bloody good taste. :) tHIS TOPIC IS VERY SUBJECTIVE. BUT I LIKE IT. Troy ObLP: The Rods: Wild Dogs. From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Feb 6 06:14:17 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 22:14:17 +1100 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970205154044.28679eb4@buffnet.net> Message-ID: OK, Guys, I will be the first to admit it, ***I LIKE ALL OF CLUB NINJA***** Troy On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Joseph M. Lofft wrote: > At 03:18 PM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Hey Joe - I didn't mean to start another "Bash CN thread"! I'm just > >relaying some info Pearlman said in a magazine - and I can't say that > >Pearlman is exactly beating a dead horse - hey, he was asked what he > >thought of it and he gave his opinion. > > I have this feeling that most people have negative feelings about this album > because it wasn't the original lineup. Just my opinion though... > > Then maybe again I like it because it was the "new" album when I first got > into BOC. (I was 15 years old when I first saw BOC on the Club Ninja Tour - > if only I was born a few years earlier and was able to see the original > lineup in a stadium tour....) > From asg at IMAGINET.FR Thu Feb 6 06:20:38 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:20:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: What is progressive ? Message-ID: >I have a little trouble with the terminology used to describe groups such >as Rush and Yes. To my mind, the word 'progressive' implies just that, >progression. So, I would say that bands like Henry Cow and Can (at least >in their earlier days) were progressive. Bands like Rush, Yes and Genesis >I would hesitate to describe, not wanting to cause upset to their huge >armies of fans, but to these ears they have not done much progressing >since the early 70's!!! Regression, well, that's another matter >altogether. Yes, "progressive" means "progression". And even if it may not seem as those have progressed much with the years, I don't think that's the point. I think what "progressive" is all about is "progression" in one given track. I mean, take just about any song from Yes, Rush or (early) Genesis and you'll have to agree that it sounds as if there were several songs happening all at the same time. Progressive is progression, but also richness of texture and complexity in music. I think the term fits fine for those bands. >No offence meant, btw. None taken :-) Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Feb 6 06:20:59 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 03:20:59 -0800 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L Message-ID: In re. the following: >I too, am someone who was born (1965) long before I became seriously >interested in music (early to mid-eighties), but (as is my wont) I >gravitated toward the more sophisticated music once I had discovered >it, and (surprise, surprise) most of the best music turns out to have >been created in the early to mid-seventies. Given the limitations The major flaw in this argument is to confuse "complexity" with "sophistication". I'm a little older (1956) and actually grew up with 70s music. So: > Doesn't it drive you crazy whenever the general public equates >seventies music with disco? Maybe it's that short term memory thing, >and all they remember is 1979 or something, but they conveniently >forget they there were a heck of a lot of years to the seventies >before disco came along! Of course, disco did herald the downfall of >most intelligent popular music, so I guess its historical >significance can't be denied, but still... Excuuuse meee. by the late 70s a lot of us here in the UK (who were fans of a lot of "progressive" bands got fed up with the members of Yes disappearing down their own navels, and so-called AOR bands playing watered down rock for the young marrieds) were immensely relieved by the arrival of punk and the parallel rise of bands like Motorhead - basically the return of kick-ass rock'n'roll. Fortunately BOC held their heads high through this period. There's a place for all kinds of music, and I'm sorry if I offend anybodys delicate sensibilities, but disco's got b*gger-all to do with it. I can stack up plenty of brilliant 70s music, but by '76 there was a rising tide of pretentious guff, but after that things got better: The Clash in their heyday were probably the greatest live band in the world. Just to hrl back a little - the loudest thing I ever heard was Motorhead in about '79-'80 at the 76 Club in Burton on Trent. The entire club is about the size of the ground floor of the average American suburban home: my ears rang for about 3 days. Ah well, that's enough of my grizzled old rantings for now. Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" -R.E.M. My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 06:20:32 1997 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:20:32 GMT Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: ----- Begin Included Message ----- > Check out the scream at the end of "Body Electric" by The Sisters Of Mercy. > It's awesome! Now that's not a Hawkfan being narrow minded is it ? :-) Yes it is! :) Everyone knows that Eldritch is a massive Hawkwind and Motorhead fan! :) Seriously! Cheers, Carl ObPS: I once saw a great SoM photo with Eldritch resplendant in Motorhead T-shirt :) ----- End Included Message ----- Yeah, and it was Lemmy who pushed him back on stage for an unscheduled encore at the Royal Albert Hall. I can vouch for this cos I was backstage! Keith From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Feb 6 06:37:08 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 22:37:08 +1100 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > Pearlman (on Imaginos): "Columbia gave me money to create this thing > > using a lot of musicians, not Blue Oyster Cult. It was NOT Albert's > > solo album. I don't know where this comes from. > > Perhaps someone should let him know about all those demo tapes > for it Al has. > > I mean, sure, it was a lot of Pearlman's ideas but was he performing > them? If I wrote an entire album full of tunes for Eric Bloom and he > recorded them on his own, would that be the Anderson-Bloom Band? No, it > would be an Eric solo album. Or was Pearlman thinking of singing? :) > NO CARL!!! It wouldn't be Eric's solo album , it would be Eric's *UNRELEASED* solo album. :) Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Feb 6 06:39:24 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 22:39:24 +1100 Subject: tapes and things In-Reply-To: <9702061019.AA17575@eng.hud.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Keith Barton wrote: > ----- Begin Included Message ----- > > Cliff & Pam Wheaton writes: > > > > How about Robert Plant in the "Immigrant Song"? ahhh...Yeah!! :) I still > > maintain that Geddy's truly awesome scream in "Cygnus X-1" is the > > best:) But I'm willing to check others out as well:)Comparison is good! > > Pam > > > ----- End Included Message ----- > > Check out the scream at the end of "Body Electric" by The Sisters Of Mercy. > It's awesome! Now that's not a Hawkfan being narrow minded is it ? :-) Sarcasm? A goth scream? Troy From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 6 04:54:37 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:54:37 +0000 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Jon Jarrett writes > While I'm not going to come straight out and disagree with you, >you maybe don't know that the Ozrics only formed late eighties, and don't >really fit into the sort of time-frame you're giving here. I, for my part, >will back Porcupine Tree against all comers... yours, > Jazza I saw the Ozrics first in *'82*. (As I've said before, I misheard the name and went around correcting people saying "No, No, It's Osiris Testacle" for two years after that.) My band and them gigged together loads of times through '84-'86. They're older than you think! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 6 05:05:52 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:05:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19970206064912.08f764f0@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: In message <2.2.16.19970206064912.08f764f0 at eka.ericsson.se>, Johan Edlundh writes >Dick Taylor produced the first album - not sure if he played an instrument, >but if he did he was at the time lead guitarist of the Pretty Things (a >group where Twink did some drumming) > >\\joe Who, I might add are quite brilliant by the way! But avoid the later "moved to L.A. and mellowed right back" period. Stick to the '60's stuff first. -- Jon Browne ObCd "The Godz-Godz Love California" (well it make's me laugh, anyway) From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Feb 6 07:16:04 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:16:04 UT Subject: Rush? In defense of John Message-ID: It struck me that the best survey I had access to for this sort of question was the "Similarities Engine" (didn't note the URL, just do an Alta Vista search on "similarities engine", OK). They say they've got 18,000 responders, each of whom listed some of their favourite bands. They then did a cluster analysis or something (they're a bit secretive about the exact methodology) and so now if you type in a band name, you get some recommendations. The results still look shaky to me - they must have over 1,000 artists listed for one thing, so the density of information about some of the less mainstream names will be low. But FWIW, here's their results for BOC and HW: Your Choice--> BLUE OYSTER CULT _ Recommendations: Artist Confidence JUDAS PRIEST Medium HAWKWIND Medium RUSH Medium JETHRO TULL Medium PINK FLOYD Low SAGA Low NEW ORDER Low MARINO,FRANK Low DION Low REO SPEEDWAGON Low COOPER,ALICE Low CABARET VOLTAIRE Low Your Choice--> HAWKWIND _ Recommendations: Artist Confidence FROESE,EDGAR Very High STOCKHAUSEN,K. High ELOY High OZRIC TENTACLES High GONG Medium DEVO Medium BLUE OYSTER CULT Medium AMON DUUL Medium SCREAMING BLUE MESSIAHS Medium BLACK SABBATH Medium ZAPPA,FRANK Medium BOLT THROWER Low CRACK THE SKY Low RIDGWAY,STAN Low ALLEGRI,G. Low MONSTER MAGNET Low ANTISEEN Low 10CC Low ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA Low CALVERT,ROBERT Low Observations: BOC and HW are on each other's lists! I think that's probably because several of *us* submitted entries, when this started a couple of years ago. I think "DION" should be "DIO" - although there is a simple link between BOC and Celine Dion* . Rush *do* come highly on the BOC list, and Gong and Ozrics on the HW, so this gives *some* weight to the original assertion. However, all are only rated "medium" confidence (whatever that means). I suspect that even though those names are among the most commonly mentioned, they are still only mentioned by a minority. Who the bloody hell are Allegri, G and Antiseen? I do feel the presence of such obscure acts does tend to cast doubts over the whole thing. The only *very high* confidence observation is Edgar Froese! I mean, he's all right, but hardly the clearest and most obvious! 10 bloody cc????? - Andy * both have recorded Aldo Nova songs Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Feb 6 08:28:28 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 23:28:28 +1000 Subject: tapes and things In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6 Feb 97 at 10:31, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > Check out the scream at the end of "Body Electric" by The Sisters Of Mercy. > > It's awesome! Now that's not a Hawkfan being narrow minded is it ? :-) > > Yes it is! :) Everyone knows that Eldritch is a massive > Hawkwind and Motorhead fan! :) Seriously! And .... There is a SoM cover of Silver MAchine floating about the place .... Paul oBOtherBands: Well I even like New Order, and I care not what anyone says about that ;^) -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Feb 6 08:34:53 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 23:34:53 +1000 Subject: OFF: Similarities Engine (was Re: Rush? In defense of John) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6 Feb 97 at 12:16, Andrew Gilham wrote: > Your Choice--> HAWKWIND _ > > Recommendations: > Artist Confidence > CALVERT,ROBERT Low ? Must be talking about one of the *other* Calvert's ;^) Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 6 04:50:20 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:50:20 +0000 Subject: Stuck in the Mud In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "BREVARD Adrian R." writes > While New York and >LA and these places were doing the hustle with Van McCoy, DC residents >remained strong to the church of FUNK, pure unabashed Funk. George >Clinton DAMN Good Post, Ade!!! -- Jon Browne ObCD "Audioweb - Audioweb" Not obscure, honest! It's in the mail order record club catalogs now! From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 6 05:20:54 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:20:54 +0000 Subject: OFF : Henry Cow In-Reply-To: <199702051637.IAA19747@f4.hotmail.com> Message-ID: In message <199702051637.IAA19747 at f4.hotmail.com>, Chris Warburton writes >Dave Berry wrote: >>My vote goes to Dagmar Krause of Henry Cow, in the middle of the >"Oslo" >improvisation on "Concerts". > >Well, I never expected to see Henry Cow mentione on this list! > >Right on, Dave!!! You are as beautiful as the moon and as terrible as an army >with banners :-{)> Surely Slapp Happy, Henry Cow, National Health and Hatfield and The North are really pretty close to Hawkwind in personel and the gigs they played, if not musically. I've always mentally grouped this lot with Hawkwind, at least temporally. Pip Pyle was in Gong as well Hatfied and The North too. -- Jon Browne Sitting before a fire and toasting a fish upon a fork.. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Feb 6 08:36:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:36:00 +0000 Subject: Rush? In defense of Jonh In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's mail of Thu, 6 Feb 97 12:16 +0000 Message-ID: On 06 Feb 12:16, Andrew Gilham wrote: > Who the bloody hell are Allegri, G Allegri wrote a famous Miserere. According to legend, it was kept secret by the Vatican, where it was only sung at Easter, until Mozart heard it and later transcribed it from memory. I assume this is the same Allegri -- after all, this list included Karl Stockhausen as a "high correlation"! Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 6 08:38:06 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:38:06 -0500 Subject: Rush? In defense of John Message-ID: By the way, *I'm* not the "John" involved in this thread! ;-) The BOC-L poster formerly known (and will be again known) as "John" From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Feb 6 08:39:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:39:00 +0000 Subject: OFF : Henry Cow In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's mail of Thu, 6 Feb 97 10:20 +0000 Message-ID: On 06 Feb 10:20, Jon Browne wrote: > Surely Slapp Happy, Henry Cow, National Health and Hatfield and The > North are really pretty close to Hawkwind in personel and the gigs they > played, if not musically. I don't think there are many personnel links between HW and the others. There are a couple of links via Gong, but even those are fairly minor. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 6 08:44:55 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:44:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: Carl responding to me: > Pearlman (on Imaginos): "Columbia gave me money to create this thing > using a lot of musicians, not Blue Oyster Cult. It was NOT Albert's > solo album. I don't know where this comes from. Perhaps someone should let him know about all those demo tapes for it Al has. I mean, sure, it was a lot of Pearlman's ideas but was he performing them? If I wrote an entire album full of tunes for Eric Bloom and he recorded them on his own, would that be the Anderson-Bloom Band? No, it would be an Eric solo album. Or was Pearlman thinking of singing? :) Yeah - Pearlman seems to have forgotten the fact that Albert was writing music for Imaginos since around 1975. He had some demos of many of the tunes for Imaginos (some in much different form - which I'd love to hear) for sessions for I believe *Spectres*, *Mirrors*, and *Cultosaurus Erectus*. Of course "Astronomy" and "The Subhuman" (aka "Blue Oyster Cult") were recorded on *Secret Treaties*, and I believe Joe Bouchard had a version of "In the Presence of Another World" that the band worked up around the time of *Spectres* as well. Sure, without Pearlman, there would have been no Imaginos. But without Albert, Imaginos would have just been a collection of poems. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 6 08:57:45 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:57:45 -0500 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: Troy: I didn't mean to start a "I like Club Ninja" thread either! ;-) I'm a bad judge because I can listen to anything BOC puts out, and get some level of enjoyment out of it. I personally prefer some of the heavier sounding BOC stuff (which is why, despite the silly lyrics, "Beat 'em Up" is one of my favorite songs on the album!). The thing is to me is that CN doesn't have alot of tunes on it that everyone can say they like, and there are a few songs that most people will tell you they don't like. I haven't tried this, but I think it can be boiled down to a fairly simple mathematical formula. Something like this: Take any BOC album, and look at each song. Give the album a point for every song that you like on it, and take a point off for everyone that you don't like. I think some of BOC's albums will get similar scores from almost everyone. I'll bet that *Secret Treaties* will score, say, 5 or over for almost everyone, and I'll bet that *Club Ninja* will probably score 0 or less for almost everyone (except maybe for Troy, who claims to like it all, and me, who even likes "Beat 'em Up" ;-) ). My guess is that *Mirrors* and *Revolution by Night* will also score fairly low using this method, although there will be a few folks that rate *Mirrors* a bit higher. *Imaginos* will also be somewhat mixed, but most will rate it over 4 or so. *BOC* and *Tyranny and Mutation* will likewise be fairly high, while *AOF*, *Spectres*, and *Cultosaurus* will be mixed. But enough of my rambling... John From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Feb 6 09:21:00 1997 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:21:00 EST Subject: OFF: Screeching for new heights Message-ID: >While we're on the subject, obBrainSurgeons: Deb doesn't have quite >the shrill quality necessary for a Master's Award in this genre, but >her live rendition of "Name Your Monster" definitely gets my "Critic's >Choice" award for quality screaming. Steve, I'm sorry I'm a bit slow in taking the chance to rub salt in the wound. The new set (as done at the Rodeo) has a song from BoH with a primal scream in it. I'm sure it would up your rating. It's one of the quiet songs (blocking on the title) and the contrast adds to the effect. Too bad you missed it. Rudy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Feb 6 09:39:00 1997 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:39:00 EST Subject: OFF: Screeches Part 2 Message-ID: >Don't forget Roger Waters in "Careful with that axe, Eugene" (or was that >scream real?) When they did this song live in the early 70s he used to do some teases with it where he would start it and then choke it off. I LOVED it when he did it and it was the highlight of the gig for me. I was fortunate to see it several times. Rudy From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Feb 6 09:51:16 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 22:51:16 +0800 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations Message-ID: > Crap like soul????? Aretha Franklin crap? Marvin Gaye crap? > Look, There's no such thing as a crap genre. Probably not. But to my ears, I don't like it. > > By all means say what you like, but leave out the "this is crap". > I'm surprised there's no Cult records in your collection, though, Will > There's an awful lot I didn't mention that I have. I just wanted to point out that I have a wider variety (except disco, soul, etc.. Probably because my brother was into all that in the 70's) than what I write about on the list. Anyway, I have two BOC albums. Not many, I admit, but I intend to rectify that. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Feb 6 10:02:44 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 23:02:44 +0800 Subject: OFF: What is progressive ? Message-ID: Here in West Australia, what used to be regarded as progressive rock is now lumped into the New Age CD racks. Not only that, I am sure the people running the store have never heard them. They just look at the covers, and then decide by what it looks like. i.e. Robert Fripp's "Exposure" is in among all the relaxation CD's. One shop even had The Pogues under Heavy Metal. Should Demis Rousos (or however it's spelt) be regarded progressive, since he used to be in a band called Aphrodite's Child??? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Feb 6 10:10:19 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 23:10:19 +0800 Subject: Rush? In defense of John Message-ID: > Your Choice--> HAWKWIND _ > > Recommendations: > Artist Confidence > FROESE,EDGAR Very High > STOCKHAUSEN,K. High > ELOY High > OZRIC TENTACLES High > GONG Medium > DEVO Medium > BLUE OYSTER CULT Medium > AMON DUUL Medium > SCREAMING BLUE MESSIAHS Medium > BLACK SABBATH Medium > ZAPPA,FRANK Medium > BOLT THROWER Low > CRACK THE SKY Low > RIDGWAY,STAN Low > ALLEGRI,G. Low > MONSTER MAGNET Low > ANTISEEN Low > 10CC Low > ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA Low > CALVERT,ROBERT Low > > Observations: >> > The only *very high* confidence observation is Edgar Froese! I mean, he's all > right, but hardly the clearest and most obvious! > And Robert Calvert is at the bottom of the list!!!! > > 10 bloody cc????? > Well, the only link I could see here is Godley & Creme's very rare "Consequences". William From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Feb 6 10:13:31 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:13:31 -0500 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L Message-ID: In message , Jon Jarrett writes > While I'm not going to come straight out and disagree with you, >you maybe don't know that the Ozrics only formed late eighties, and don't >really fit into the sort of time-frame you're giving here. I, for my part, >will back Porcupine Tree against all comers... yours, > Jazza I saw the Ozrics first in *'82*. (As I've said before, I misheard the name and went around correcting people saying "No, No, It's Osiris Testacle" for two years after that.) My band and them gigged together loads of times through '84-'86. They're older than you think! -- Jon Browne Well, on my Delirium CD A PSYCHEDELIC PSAUNA, there is an Ozrics tune from 1983 called "Erp Riff '83", which, according to the liner notes, was the first recorded OT tune. So, they have been around a lot longer that the "late '80's". (seems to me that the band got its' first start in the butt-end of the '70's, but not 100% sure of that bit...) objCassetteDeck: PT/Signify Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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ObCD Jefferson Airplane Loves You From asg at IMAGINET.FR Thu Feb 6 10:34:19 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:34:19 +0100 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: > OK, Guys, I will be the first to admit it, > > ***I LIKE ALL OF CLUB NINJA***** Sorry, Troy, but you're not the first. I already did some months ago :-)) Although I never felt like I was "admitting" anything, since I don't think there's anything wrong in liking CN. I love this album. Sure, some songs may not be the best tunes BOC has ever made, but I still think the whole album is worthwhile. The one I don't quite like as much, though, as I've already pointed out before, is "Mirrors" - although I do like a few tunes off of that one (like "The Vigil" and "The great sun jester")... Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From asg at IMAGINET.FR Thu Feb 6 10:34:21 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:34:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: Disco, punk, etc. Message-ID: >Excuuuse meee. by the late 70s a lot of us here in the UK (who were fans of a >lot of "progressive" bands got fed up with the members of Yes disappearing down >their own navels, and so-called AOR bands playing watered down rock for the >young marrieds) were immensely relieved by the arrival of punk and the >parallel rise of bands like Motorhead - basically the return of kick-ass >rock'n'roll. Well, I think Adrian (lil ab :-) said it best. It all depens where you lived when it all happened. But of course, you are right mentioning punk, it did have a huge success & following in those days. But I think this was true in the UK more then anywhere else. I'm sure it didn't hit the States quite as violently (though I couldn't swear on it, since I wasn't there) and it certainly wasn't as important as disco here in France. It did have its impact (we even had our very own punk bands ! *grin*) but disco was without doubt much bigger, at least here. And then again, maybe it also depends on which part of France you lived in. Hmm... I'd even go further, it might also have depended to which social class you were in. I mean, the unemployed stuck in problems up to their neck might have been more inclined into listening to the music of those who yelled everywhere "NO FUTURE", while those best inserted in social life might have listened to disco more easily, the kind of music you can dance and have fun on. Dunno. Just an idea. >Fortunately BOC held their heads high through this period. Uh... except for "Mirrors". Sorry to insist on this, but I really find that album very "disco-esque"... but no, I'm not trying to start this thread again. Just couldn't resist commenting the above quote. BTW... let us not forget that the late 70's and early 80's also saw the birth of another successful kind of music : new wave ! So of course, there wasn't ONLY disco, but again, I think it just depended where you lived when the wave struck *grin* Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From asg at IMAGINET.FR Thu Feb 6 10:34:26 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:34:26 +0100 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: >I haven't tried this, but I think it can be boiled down to a fairly >simple mathematical formula. Something like this: Take any BOC album, >and look at each song. Give the album a point for every song that >you like on it, and take a point off for everyone that you don't like. *laughing* You know, this might be a good game to play while we wait for the new album. Might take up our time sufficiently to avoid some of us making negative comments ;-) But say, what should one do with a song he neither likes nor dislikes ? Neither give nor take off a point for it, I guess... Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! 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Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From gshelton at EMPIRENET.COM Thu Feb 6 10:56:40 1997 From: gshelton at EMPIRENET.COM (Gary S Shelton) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 07:56:40 -0800 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: Troy Harris wrote: > > OK, Guys, I will be the first to admit it, > > ***I LIKE ALL OF CLUB NINJA***** > > Troy I guess I'll have to admit that I like _CN_ as well... Further, I guess I'll confess that _Imaginos_ is my favorite, whether a majority of the original band performed it or not...the cohesiveness of the concept hooked me. It's like listening to one song that's album-length. 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Thanks. > Dick Taylor produced the first album - not sure if he played an instrument, > but if he did he was at the time lead guitarist of the Pretty Things (a > group where Twink did some drumming) >>From my timeline, I have: 1970 - Dick Taylor, the group's producer, joins as a member. but that is all I know for sure right now. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 The Feynman problem solving algorithm: You write down the problem. You think very hard. Then you write down the answer. -- Murray Gell-Mann From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Thu Feb 6 11:19:21 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:19:21 -0600 Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward "Re: HW: Golden Void page updated" (Feb 6, 1:01pm) Message-ID: Paul G Ward wrote: > > Also, I don't seem to have information on what instruments John Clark, > > Clive Dreamer, Rob Heaton, Mick Smith, or Dick Taylor played. Can > > someone fill these in for me? Actually, I'm not even sure where I got > > some of these names from anymore. > > Clive Deamer was the drummer for a while Just so I get it right, is it "Deamer" or "Dreamer"? Thanks for the info. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Found on the inside of a pull top lid of a liquid radiator sealant: "Caution: DO NOT LICK LID" From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 11:30:07 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:30:07 +0000 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine In-Reply-To: <199702052113.QAA05594@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > Or, BOC had a knack for writing very cool music to fit Pearlman's > lyrics and images. Probably a little of both. Certainly Pearlman's > influence on early BOC can not be denied. I have always assumed that Pearlman created the band in his own image, deliberately echoing his own name: Sandy = Blue ("Now the sand's become a crust, most of you have gone away" - to the blue sea??) Pearl = Oyster Self-explanatory Man = Cult The one man and the group around him. I never believed any of that 'Cully Stout Beer' and 'Trolleybus Cue' stuff, anyway! - Mike Godwin From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Thu Feb 6 11:48:14 1997 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:48:14 -0600 Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated Message-ID: >> Also, I don't seem to have information on what instruments John Clark, >> Clive Dreamer, Rob Heaton, Mick Smith, or Dick Taylor played. Can >> someone fill these in for me? Actually, I'm not even sure where I got >> some of these names from anymore. > >Clive Deamer was the drummer for a while >Rob Heaton was the drum roadie and filled in at a few gigs (Stonehenge for sure). He is also the drummer for New Model Army. Star Rats From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Feb 6 11:30:05 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:30:05 UT Subject: Rush? In defense of John Message-ID: >And Robert Calvert is at the bottom of the list!!!! > That's an artifact of how the survey was done - you had to list your "n" favourite artists, and it worked it all out from that. So, if only a fraction of HW fans listed Bob separately, he'll come out as a low connection. Just an example of the problems of this approach. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 11:39:01 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:39:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: Disco, punk, etc. In-Reply-To: <199702061534.QAA16875@imaginet.fr> Message-ID: > Uh... except for "Mirrors". Sorry to insist on this, but I really find that > album very "disco-esque"... but no, I'm not trying to start this thread > again. Just couldn't resist commenting the above quote. If anybody really thinks that 'Mirrors' is a disco album, or is even 'disco-esque', they clearly have never listened to Donna Summer or Amii Stewart. When everyone started going on about 'Mirrors' recently I gave it a listen, and it seems to me that it is just a natural progression from the direction they were taking on 'Spectres'. If you want to classify it as anything, then AOR. It is not nearly as bad as everyone maintains - there are some good songs on it, it's just that it is somewhat blandly arranged and produced. It is no better and no worse, IMHO, than any other BOC album after AOF, with the exception of Imaginos. While we are one the subject, I often see CE referred to as if it is a great metal album. I like the album, and there are some great songs on it, but I must say that I have heard raunchier and more driving albums! In fact, there is nothing on it that rocks like 'Heavy Metal' on FoUO, IMHO. End of speech. Martin From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 11:40:37 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:40:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: What is progressive ? In-Reply-To: <199702061542.QAA17816@imaginet.fr> Message-ID: He sounds okay on the Blade Runner soundtrack, but I wouldn't put it any stronger than that. BTW, AC were about as progressive as Phil Collins!!! Martin On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > >Should Demis Rousos (or however it's spelt) be regarded progressive, since > he used to be > >in a band called Aphrodite's Child??? > > Vangelis was also in that band. I don't think I've ever heard any of their > stuff, though. I'll have to try them one day, if I can dig out one of the > albums... OTOH, Demis Roussos (that's the correct spelling, BTW) had his > time of glory here in France (I'm not sure how successful he was elsewhere) > and I must admit that I like a few of his songs. Note that I said "a few", > not "all" ;-) Well, don't blame me... the guy has such a great voice ! > > > > Alex S. Garcia. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ > (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock > In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) > ---------------------------------------------------------- > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 6 11:36:17 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:36:17 +0000 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations In-Reply-To: <32F9EFE4.E68@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: In message <32F9EFE4.E68 at iinet.net.au>, William Duffy writes >> >> By all means say what you like, but leave out the "this is crap". >> I'm surprised there's no Cult records in your collection, though, Will >> >There's an awful lot I didn't mention that I have. I was being flip, Billy Duffy is The Cult's lead guitarist. -- Jon Browne From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Feb 6 11:49:38 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:49:38 UT Subject: OFF: Disco, punk, etc. Message-ID: >it >certainly wasn't as important as disco here in France. It did have its >impact (we even had our very own punk bands ! *grin*) Well, of course the Stranglers are half French... and later on, you also had the mighty Trust ("An-ti-so-cial!", _Marche ou creve_, _Repression dans l'hexagon_) from the NWOFHM (I think they *were* the NWOFHM all on their own)... Did you ever see a Parisian outfit called Mano Negra? They utterly ruled! Are they still aorund? - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 6 11:43:06 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:43:06 +0000 Subject: Rush? In defense of John In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes DEVO Medium and I thought it was only me!! That's brilliant!! It's true, now if any HW fans haven't got Q: Are We Not Men ? A We Are Devo! Go and get it NOW!!!!! Look, you'll like it even more than Bob's solo stuff! >CALVERT,ROBERT Low Man, Devo are great, no irony there! -- Jon Browne From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 6 10:58:53 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:58:53 EDT Subject: OFF: Disco, punk, etc. Message-ID: >> From: dench > > Uh... except for "Mirrors". Sorry to insist on this, but I really find that > > album very "disco-esque"... but no, I'm not trying to start this thread > > again. Just couldn't resist commenting the above quote. > > If anybody really thinks that 'Mirrors' is a disco album, or is even > 'disco-esque', they clearly have never listened to Donna Summer or Amii True enough. There a few disco-ish production values employed, but apart from that... > Stewart. When everyone started going on about 'Mirrors' recently I gave > it a listen, and it seems to me that it is just a natural progression from > the direction they were taking on 'Spectres'. If you want to classify it > as anything, then AOR. It is not nearly as bad as everyone maintains - Right! More an effort to recapture the radio success of DFtR than any direct effort to do a disco thing. Remember, by the time of Mirrors, BOC had been at it awhile and were liekly up for a little experimentation. Too, Agents had been such a hit, you can't blame anyone for trying to keep the cash coming in... > there are some good songs on it, it's just that it is somewhat blandly > arranged and produced. It is no better and no worse, IMHO, than any other > BOC album after AOF, with the exception of Imaginos. > I think most people on BOC-L would say that Spectres was a pretty good album too. Personally, I think things went downhill after Secret Treaties... > While we are one the subject, I often see CE referred to as if it is a > great metal album. I like the album, and there are some great songs on > it, but I must say that I have heard raunchier and more driving albums! > In fact, there is nothing on it that rocks like 'Heavy Metal' on FoUO, > IMHO. > > End of speech. > > Martin CE probably isn't a Metal album if judged by contemporary standards, but remember the context and timeframe in which it was recorded. At the time, it sure was a rocking album that harkened back to BOC's early days... theo From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 6 11:48:27 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:48:27 +0000 Subject: OFF : Henry Cow In-Reply-To: <199702061339.NAA07193@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <199702061339.NAA07193 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >I don't think there are many personnel links between HW and the others. >There are a couple of links via Gong, but even those are fairly minor. > >Dave. No, fair enough, but would you find it odd that someone into HW would also like Henry Cow? I suppose they're not that similar when I think about it but I've always lumped them together. (File under English Hippies 1973-76) -- Jon Browne From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Feb 6 07:22:02 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:22:02 -0000 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L dicussion list Message-ID: > Hi > > Was your cyop of the VH-1 interview from VH-1 broadcast? Becasue I don't > rmeber him being interviewed ina cahir. When was that done? inbetween songs. I > have a copy of audio (since I had torbule taping to the stereo video so taped > audio sound in stereo and mono video) and she tlaks to dave brook. They play > love in sapce which is faded out towards end and then I have adds and then > they coem back and do sliver machine and then it moves to someone else. I also > tryed to tpae the reshwoing of it the nigth after after and foudn the same > thing. Unless my one was rebraodcast but I don't remeber the msayign it. I > taped it sunday 14th april and tryed to tape it to video in steroe again on > 15th. > ok,tim. i have no idea of the date on my tape. but it definitely is vh1. the hostess says," heres hw doingt silver machine without me." then runs off the stage. they do silver machine.there is then a break in the tape where someone edited out a commercial or something. then it comes back,the hostess is standing next to dave on stage,holding a handful of emi remasters,talking to dave about tibet,and tinplates and templates.and remixes. they do love in space.you can see richard playing electronic drumpads in the back.ron is standing in front of a microphone stand,but being familiar with everyones voices,we can tell he's not singing. half way thru the song they fade it out,but you can still hear it,and they go to an interview with ron and dave,seated,off-stage.you can still hear lis in the background. dave talks about reckoning cannabis should be legalised as it is not a dangerous drug compared to a lot of other things,and how the band tries to arrange gigs that are safe for people to do these things. then he talks about experimentation with crossed oscillations,how if you play them loud with headphones they can really f$%k yer brain up(he got bleeped). then they go over to ron,who talks about sci-fi influence,and some horrifying tales he has heard about alien abductions and all. then they go back to the stage,hw finishes lis and thats it. so,now you should be able to figure out whether we have the same thing. i watched it as i was typing this,so i am perfectly clear in the way i remember this,this time. =) rj From asg at IMAGINET.FR Thu Feb 6 12:38:00 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:38:00 +0100 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: >I have always assumed that Pearlman created the band in his own image, >deliberately echoing his own name: > >Sandy = Blue ("Now the sand's become a crust, most of you > have gone away" - to the blue sea??) > >Pearl = Oyster Self-explanatory > >Man = Cult The one man and the group around him. Now that is what I call a *very interesting* point of view. I'd never thought of that, but it does strike me is very plausible. Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From asg at IMAGINET.FR Thu Feb 6 12:38:02 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:38:02 +0100 Subject: OFF: Disco, punk, etc. Message-ID: >Did you ever see a Parisian outfit called Mano Negra? They utterly ruled! >Are they still aorund? Oh yeah, they're a GREAT band ! I had a hard time getting into their stuff, but now I absolutely love them, though - unfortunately - I don't own any of their material (yet). And I'm not sure whether the band still exists or not. What I can say is that they haven't put out anything new in quite some time... but hey, we BOC fans all know that doesn't mean much, right ? ;-) Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! 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Mike P (AKA Dr Nozzle) Michael Parkington Supplier Liaison Manager Email: mikep at uunet.pipex.com From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Feb 6 13:10:51 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:10:51 -0600 Subject: OFF: this should prove interesting... Message-ID: I was incidentally having another net-conversation about Tangerine Dream with my church group - BTW, I'm apparently one of two TD fans in the group - and decided to forward them that original message 'bout TD on the PA and HotMG. I received the following suggestion in reply. Damon ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:18:52 -0500 (EST) From: David_Van_Wyk To: [[[ The Peculiar People - Grace Bible Church ]]] Subject: Re: Speaking of Tangerine Dream... I think that you ought to play "Moanjam" by King's X to wake the pupils up. See what the old Prof thinks of that! Don't turn your PA up too loud because in the event of too much volume, grant money will be spent to replace the system. Another possibility is that Tellus could come up and play an early morning show in the lobby. Good stuff. Musicman From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 6 13:27:37 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:27:37 -0500 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine Message-ID: >I have always assumed that Pearlman created the band in his own image, deliberately echoing his own name: Interesting!! >I never believed any of that 'Cully Stout Beer' and 'Trolleybus Cue' stuff, anyway! I recently talked to Bolle about this (and I'm making a modification to the FAQ in this area) because I had read in 2 or 3 old articles that "Blue Oyster Cult" came from an anagram of "Cully Stout Beer", and started to doubt what I had heard elsewhere. Bolle's belief (as this would have been before he knew the band) is that Pearlman/Meltzer probably tried to make anagrams of "Blue Oyster Cult" at some point and came up with "Cully Stout Beer", rather than the other way around as has been reported - presumably the two were probably stoned at the time they did this, and somewhere along the line the real story got twisted around. But, Sandy did write a lot of the Imaginos poems way back in the late 60's, and one of them was called "Blue Oyster Cult", so it seems unlikely that they came up with the name later. Besides, a "stout" is not exactly a "beer", and so it is unlikely there was an actual brew by that name (although "fake" beer labels, with the BOC symbol, later appeared in some rock magazine). John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 14:06:20 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:06:20 +0000 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Feb 6, 97 09:54:37 am Message-ID: > While I'm not going to come straight out and disagree with you, > you maybe don't know that the Ozrics only formed late eighties, and don't > really fit into the sort of time-frame you're giving here. Oo, er, '83 at the latest ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 14:16:07 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:16:07 +0000 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine In-Reply-To: from "M R Godwin" at Feb 6, 97 04:30:07 pm Message-ID: > I have always assumed that Pearlman created the band in his own image, > deliberately echoing his own name: I've always believed that proximity to Oyster Bay, Long Island had something to do with it :) not least because I lived there as an infant :) I take perverse pride at having grown up within spitting distance of BOC and never having heard of them until I moved to Boston :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 6 14:21:57 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:21:57 +0000 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine In-Reply-To: <199702061827.NAA09868@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 6, 97 01:27:37 pm Message-ID: > Besides, > a "stout" is not exactly a "beer", and so it is unlikely there was > an actual brew by that name (although "fake" beer labels, with the BOC > symbol, later appeared in some rock magazine). I would agree in principle, but feel obligated to point out that a "stout" is most definitely a "beer", and that it is a "beer" that need not be a "stout" ("stout" forming a sub-set of the larger more generic group "beer"). Beer snob moment for the day :) However, I seriously doubt there was much in the way of stout in NYC in 1970 or thereabouts, so we can probably dismiss the "Cully Stout Beer" hypothesis in safety :) Cheers, Carl From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Feb 6 11:03:28 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:03:28 -0000 Subject: Rsuh on BOC-L dicussion list Message-ID: > Hi > > I got unluckly, and probably taped a reboardcast showing the hightlights. > :((((. Any way, how couuld they LIS in the background? It doesn't do the song > justice. I do like interviews espally with memebers other than Dave Brook > (having said that, that was the first interview I'd seen by him or any > Hawkwind member, aprt from giner baker and that wasn't Hawkwind related). yeah,all the interviews ive seen have been printed,except that one and one other, which was taped (unknowingly,it seems) at the beginning of a hw vid. the guy asked how calvert was doing and dave said erm, hes dead,and the guy interviewing dint know what else to say... =) i agrree too, that the interview in the middle of the song was annoying,but i guess that was the price we paid. rj From ABrevard at SHL.COM Thu Feb 6 17:10:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:10:00 -0600 Subject: BOC: Points for Albums/Ramblings Message-ID: John Swartz>- Give the album a point for every song that you like on it, and take a point off for everyone that you don't like. I think some of BOC's albums will get similar scores from almost everyone.- Sounds like a good exercise. You willing to keep tabs on the results? Would you have to throw out extreme responses where albums received the full amount of negative or positive points, can+t have the fanboys skewing the results now can we. 8^). Club Ninja, the debate continues - Someone (not naming names here) pointed out to me, if you took a few songs from CN, that people generally despise, strategically placed them in some of the stronger BOC efforts, all of sudden people would consider them good songs. I think he has a point. Lame Music and Age Chris Warburton> -The major flaw in this argument is to confuse "complexity" with "sophistication". I'm a little older (1956) and actually grew up with 70s music.- Well said Chris, Class of +58 for me. I recall thinking some of the stuff my older sisters listened too was crap, unsophisticated, lacking complexity. They (my sisters) were hard core R&B while my brother and I were hard-core rock & rollers. Maybe we tend to like what+s current at a certain age, disregard some newer stuff as we get older but appreciate older things we didn+t when we were younger, if any of that makes sense. I do know that I went from funk to rock to rock/jazz fusion, prog & classical jazz to dance music and finally back to rock in a span of a few years. My vinyl collection had everything except C&W. Ramblings - I still have not seen a definition of progressive rock that makes sense to me. I may not have worshipped or even liked disco music but it was essential for meeting girls in the late 70+s, early 80+s. You couldn+t score much at the clubs unless you could shake your booty. BTW folks according to the receipt I receive from the listserv there are 201 subscribers to BOC-L If I tally my minuscule CD collection I have spent more money on Y&T CD+s than any other group, most were imports. I don+t know if I should be proud or frightened. 8^). lil ab Still waiting for one Mr. Bouchard to tell me who was the man of the band with the ladies back in the day. I+m still betting the ranch it was Joe, can+t trust those quiet bass players, right John S. 8^). From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Feb 6 17:26:58 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:26:58 +1000 Subject: OFF: What is progressive ? In-Reply-To: <32F9F294.2644@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On 6 Feb 97 at 23:02, William Duffy wrote: > Here in West Australia, what used to be regarded as progressive rock is now lumped into > the New Age CD racks. Not only that, I am sure the people running the store have never > heard them. They just look at the covers, and then decide by what it looks like. i.e. > Robert Fripp's "Exposure" is in among all the relaxation CD's. One shop even had The > Pogues under Heavy Metal. Eastern Oz is just as bad ..... why does everyone put Marillion in the Heavy Metal section for chrissake?!! Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Feb 6 17:29:58 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:29:58 +1000 Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated In-Reply-To: <9702061019.ZM11199@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: On 6 Feb 97 at 10:19, Frank Weil wrote: > > Clive Deamer was the drummer for a while > > Just so I get it right, is it "Deamer" or "Dreamer"? Deamer ... I think. Ask Star_Rats ... he played soccer with him or something. Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From asg at IMAGINET.FR Thu Feb 6 16:59:23 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 22:59:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: What is progressive ? Message-ID: >I still have not seen a definition of progressive rock that makes sense >to me. Hmm... well, I agree prog rock is hard to define. But I know a prog song when I hear one, that's all I can say for certain ! ;-) Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Feb 6 18:17:54 1997 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:17:54 -0500 Subject: OFF : Henry Cow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 02/06/97 at 04:48 PM, Jon Browne said: >In message <199702061339.NAA07193 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry > writes >>I don't think there are many personnel links between HW and the others. >>There are a couple of links via Gong, but even those are fairly minor. >No, fair enough, but would you find it odd that someone into HW would >also like Henry Cow? I suppose they're not that similar when I think >about it but I've always lumped them together. (File under English >Hippies 1973-76) I thought Henry Cow was the one who started RIO (Rock In Opposition). I think it's an acquired taste - you either like him or hate him. The others I got into when I was buying stuff from the Canterbury scene (starting with Soft Machine). Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Feb 6 13:27:52 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:27:52 -0000 Subject: Points for Albums/Ramblings Message-ID: ---------- > From: BREVARD Adrian R. > > Sounds like a good exercise. You willing to keep tabs on the results? > Would you have to throw out extreme responses where albums received the > full amount of negative or positive points, can+t have the fanboys > skewing the results now can we. 8^). nah,some albums deserve the full thing,if every,or most albums get full score,then theres a problem.... > Club Ninja, the debate continues - Someone (not naming names here) > pointed out to me, if you took a few songs from CN, that people > generally despise, strategically placed them in some of the stronger BOC > efforts, all of sudden people would consider them good songs. I think > he has a point. this might change some people's oppinions,yes, but not everyone fells that way. like i said before,there are none that i dislike,but some that do not move me either way. i doubt that would change no matter where they were... rj From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Fri Feb 7 10:28:31 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 10:28:31 EST Subject: OFF : Henry Cow In-Reply-To: ; from "Jon Browne" at Feb 6, 97 04:48:27 pm Message-ID: > > In message <199702061339.NAA07193 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry > writes > >I don't think there are many personnel links between HW and the others. > >There are a couple of links via Gong, but even those are fairly minor. > > > >Dave. > > No, fair enough, but would you find it odd that someone into HW would > also like Henry Cow? I suppose they're not that similar when I think > about it but I've always lumped them together. (File under English > Hippies 1973-76) > -- > Jon Browne > Weren't Henry Cow on one of the greasy truckers lps, ob hawk link :greasy truckers lps. Im sure they're on the GT with gong,and from memory the henry cow side was just alot of drumming and wind chimes. regards Marty(cooling down -5 days of +30 degrees,today its 29 ;-) ) From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Thu Feb 6 19:14:49 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:14:49 E Subject: HW: American Hawk Tales, pt II Message-ID: Does anyone know how long it takes for Jim Collins to send off a copy of AHT2? bryan From AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU Thu Feb 6 19:47:46 1997 From: AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU (AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:47:46 -0600 Subject: BOC: Points for Albums/Ramblings Message-ID: I know we aren't doing this on the list, but I figured it would be a nice change of topic from the "pissing contest" flame war. These are how the albums would score with me: BOC-10 T&M-8 ST-8 AoF-9 Spectres-10 Mirrors-8 CE-don't have it yet FoUO-8 RBN-4 CN-4 Imaginos-8 That is kind of an inconsistent way of ranking the albums since the amount of songs per album varies. I haven't been on this list too long, so I know this has probably been covered to death in the past, but here's how I rank the albums from best to least best (not counting Imaginos). 1-BOC 2-Spectres 3-ST 4-Mirrors (sorry, I LOVE this one) 5-FoUO 6-AoF 7-T&M 8-CN 9-RBN Alton Broussard From blueoyster at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Feb 6 23:08:19 1997 From: blueoyster at EARTHLINK.NET (ROBERT FITTERMAN) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:08:19 -0800 Subject: BOC: NAME THAT NAME Message-ID: With all due respect to the others out there. None of you have said how BOC really got their name. The story out here on Long Island (where the band originated, and still lives) is that while Sandy Pearlman and a couple of members of the band were dining on oysters (probably stoned) in a Blue Point, Long Island restaurant, they came up with the name. At least that was what a local newspaper said. -- # Netscape HTTP Cookie File # http://www.netscape.com/newsref/std/cookie_spec.html # This is a generated file! Do not edit. www.scifi.com FALSE /sfvortex/warroom FALSE 946641600 sfvortex125 voted .visa.com TRUE / FALSE 946684799 INTERSE 15328600853470859 .netscape.com TRUE / FALSE 946684799 NETSCAPE_ID 1000e010,107e7c40 www.webpromote.com FALSE / FALSE 946684799 file digits www.webpromote.com FALSE / FALSE 946684799 uniq_id YIA7mKZ1uG cdnow.com FALSE / FALSE 942189160 cookTrack 1082481247-854912485 From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Feb 6 22:31:34 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 11:31:34 +0800 Subject: OFF : The Southern Death Cult Message-ID: > William - I think the original post was refering to The Southern Death Cult, which later turned into just The Cult, whose guitarist was called Billy Duffy (all the way from Manchester). Hence the pun . > I wish I thought of that. He's no relation though (as far as I'm aware!?) William From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Thu Feb 6 22:42:29 1997 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:42:29 -0800 Subject: BOC: NAME THAT NAME In-Reply-To: <32FAAAB3.594C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: That's the (approximate) story in Rolling Stone's Rock and Roll Encyclopedia. But I thought they came up with the name for a song (Subhuman), then renamed the song after they took the name for the band. -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu Phone: (206) 547-6164 On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, ROBERT FITTERMAN wrote: > With all due respect to the others out there. None of you have said how > BOC really got their name. The story out here on Long Island (where the > band originated, and still lives) is that while Sandy Pearlman and a > couple of members of the band were dining on oysters (probably stoned) in > a Blue Point, Long Island restaurant, they came up with the name. At > least that was what a local newspaper said. From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Feb 6 21:28:01 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 21:28:01 -0500 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Feb 4, 97 09:30:42 pm Message-ID: Hello-- I guess that I'm posting to a slightly stale thread, for which I apologize. I was on vacation for the last week and a half, and I've been neglecting my boc-l reading. :-) > On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, John Majka wrote: > > > Even though I'm a > > huge HW fan, I must admit that many of the fans (of both bands at BOC-l)seem > > like stuck-in-the-mud types with musical interests that ceased growing > > approximately 20 years ago. I mean there have been an awful lot of great > > bands from every time period, and I guess I just get a little upset > > sometimes with the narrowness of some people's tastes. Does anybody on this > > list buy music by relatively "new" bands which aren't related to HW or BOC? I know nothing of John Majka's motivations in writing the above, but it strikes me as incredibly ill-informed and arrogant. I would like to make a couple points: 1) I am a boc-l oldie (I've been subscribed almost continuously since 1990). During my vacation I have purchased CDs by: Robby Aceto Caryn Lin Frank Zappa J. S. Bach Toyah Willcox Brian Eno Robert Fripp FFWD>> Future Sound of London Tool John Zorn Joni Mitchell David Bowie Japan Robin Trower Alan Davey (Thanks for the recommendation!!) Hawkwind Okay, I'm prone to buying lots of CDs on vacation. :-) I think it's possible that my own musical tastes (or lack thereof) cover wider ground than those of John Majka. Does this give me the right to be upset with the narrowness of his tastes? 2) No doubt I'd find John Majka's comments even more offensive if I only liked old bands (i.e., if I was one of the "stuck-in-the-mud types"). He has a LOT of gall making pronouncements on ANYONE'S musical tastes. Doing so with the boc-l collective is well beyond arrogant--it is completely absurd. It would be just as absurd if all of us got our musical jollies listening to paint drying. He cannot support the thesis that his musical tastes are better than our own. 3) Reacting to John Majka's post (as I have done) is even more absurd. Doing so implies that the post is worthy of consideration. It is not. > This proves once again that every so often someone is determined to start > the "my musical tastes are more diverse than yours" pissing contest on > BOC-L. Congratulations! You are this month's winner! > > (Btw, I think your posting is just a sinister record company plot to get > us all to "broaden our minds" and buy Pat Boone's new "heavy metal" > album...) What's this Pat Boone thing? Could someone let me know by private email, unless posting to boc-l is deemed appropriate? Thanks, Guido (returning to lurker mode) obCDplayer--Code by Robby Aceto -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Feb 6 23:03:35 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:03:35 +0800 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations Message-ID: Just thought I'd say that if everyone liked (or hated) exactly the same things, it would be a very dull world, 'cos we wouldn't have anything to talk about. I like to talk with people who hate what I like, and vice-versa, as it makes for more stimulating conversation. And you will learn something new. > What's this Pat Boone thing? Could someone let me know by private email, > unless posting to boc-l is deemed appropriate? > Pat Boone has recorded an album of heavy metal songs. Bizarre!!! By the way, what tracks are on the album (apart from "Smoke on the Water")? William From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Thu Feb 6 23:26:37 1997 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:26:37 -0900 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations In-Reply-To: <32FAA996.7007@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, William Duffy wrote: > Pat Boone has recorded an album of heavy metal songs. Bizarre!!! > By the way, what tracks are on the album (apart from "Smoke on the Water")? I know of two, "No More Mr. Nice Guy" and "Stairway to Heaven." -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Fri Feb 7 02:32:11 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 00:32:11 -0700 Subject: BOC: RBN Message-ID: Am I the only one on this list that likes Revolution By Night? It seems this album is not very popular among BOC-Lers. Club Ninja seems to take a lot of flack, but I always see RBN rated below CN. Personally, RBN is one of my fave BOC albums. Songs like Eyes On Fire (awesome!), Veins, Take Me Away, and Shooting Shark are IMHO some of the best BOC tunes ever. I think I'll go listen to it right now... Aaron deadline at cyberhighway.net From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Fri Feb 7 02:36:35 1997 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 23:36:35 -0800 Subject: BOC: RBN In-Reply-To: <01BC148E.5FCE5300@pm6-6.cyberhighway.net> Message-ID: Nah, you're not the only one :) -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu Phone: (206) 547-6164 On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Aaron Crandall wrote: > Am I the only one on this list that likes Revolution By Night? It seems > this album is not very popular among BOC-Lers. Club Ninja seems to take > a lot of flack, but I always see RBN rated below CN. > > Personally, RBN is one of my fave BOC albums. Songs like Eyes On Fire > (awesome!), Veins, Take Me Away, and Shooting Shark are IMHO some of the > best BOC tunes ever. > > I think I'll go listen to it right now... > > Aaron > deadline at cyberhighway.net > From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Fri Feb 7 03:51:18 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:51:18 +0000 Subject: OFF: Disco, punk, etc. In-Reply-To: <6DD1062820@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > > I think most people on BOC-L would say that Spectres was a pretty > good album too. Personally, I think things went downhill after > Secret Treaties... > Theo, I couldn't agree with you more about this - I love the first three albums, but I do feel that, although they still produced some great music after ST, the whole atmosphere had changed. The first three albums are not necessarily harder, but there is a catchiness and ambience about them that is overwhelming. And the songs still sound strong now. Of course, arrangement had a lot to do with it. Martin > From makila at CSC.FI Fri Feb 7 03:52:03 1997 From: makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 10:52:03 +0200 Subject: BOC: Points for Albums/Ramblings In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 06 Feb 1997 18:47:46 CST." <01IF3TDKCFYA8WYAEB@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> Message-ID: Alton's message dated: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 18:47:46 CST > > That is kind of an inconsistent way of ranking the albums since > the amount of songs per album varies. This is easy to fix: divide the score by the number of songs on the album. //niko ObCD: FZ, Lumpy Gravy From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 6 11:56:47 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:56:47 +0000 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L In-Reply-To: <01BC1416.68588900@cshipley.ga.pyramid.com> Message-ID: In message <01BC1416.68588900 at cshipley.ga.pyramid.com>, Craig Shipley writes >Well, on my Delirium CD A PSYCHEDELIC PSAUNA, there is an Ozrics tune from 1983 >called "Erp Riff '83", >which, according to the liner notes, was the first recorded OT tune. So, they >have been around a lot longer that the >"late '80's". (seems to me that the band got its' first start in the butt-end of >the '70's, but not 100% sure of that bit...) That seems not unlikely. I have very vague recollections at the '82 gig that this was the first time they'd got together for a while as so-and- so had been in India for a year. Mind you, this was at a great party and I was royally smashed and it was 15 years ago, so....... BTW I'd rather listen to PT *any* day, too! Did you know that Psychedelic Psauna goes for about 50 UK quid now? > >objCassetteDeck: PT/Signify > >Craig Shipley >craigs at pyramid.com -- Jon Browne From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Feb 7 06:26:23 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 22:26:23 +1100 Subject: BOC: Article in Seconds Magazine In-Reply-To: <199702061357.IAA05777@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > Troy: > > I didn't mean to start a "I like Club Ninja" thread either! ;-) Nor did I, it is just that it seems asummed by some that no one likes the album. They are wrong. > > I'm a bad judge because I can listen to anything BOC puts out, and > get some level of enjoyment out of it. I personally prefer some of > the heavier sounding BOC stuff (which is why, despite the silly > lyrics, "Beat 'em Up" is one of my favorite songs on the album!). > The thing is to me is that CN doesn't have alot of tunes on it that > everyone can say they like, and there are a few songs that most people > will tell you they don't like. I have never heard a BOC song that I did not like. Is this unusual? Many of my pals are the same. > > I haven't tried this, but I think it can be boiled down to a fairly > simple mathematical formula. Something like this: Take any BOC album, > and look at each song. Give the album a point for every song that > you like on it, and take a point off for everyone that you don't like. > I think some of BOC's albums will get similar scores from almost > everyone. The only hitch being that the more songs an album has, the more it will rate according to this system. It would be impossible , if one liked all songs, to say ST was better than T&M., for eg. > I'll bet that *Secret Treaties* will score, say, 5 or over > for almost everyone, and I'll bet that *Club Ninja* will probably > score 0 or less for almost everyone (except maybe for Troy, who > claims to like it all, and me, who even likes "Beat 'em Up" ;-) ). > My guess is that *Mirrors* and *Revolution by Night* will also > score fairly low using this method, although there will be a few > folks that rate *Mirrors* a bit higher. *Imaginos* will also be > somewhat mixed, but most will rate it over 4 or so. *BOC* and *Tyranny > and Mutation* will likewise be fairly high, while *AOF*, *Spectres*, > and *Cultosaurus* will be mixed. > Could be a worthwhile exercise, eliminating the flaws anyway. > But enough of my rambling... Okay then. :) Troy From asg at IMAGINET.FR Fri Feb 7 06:36:35 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:36:35 +0100 Subject: BOC: Points for Albums/Ramblings Message-ID: >This is easy to fix: divide the score by the number of songs on the >album. Not sure that would fix it. Don't forget you can end up with negative scores (if one particular album has more songs you don't like then you do like). Not very likely, I know, but it can happen (especially with CN and RBN, for some people), in which case your technique wouldn't be quite effective, I fear... Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From asg at IMAGINET.FR Fri Feb 7 06:36:38 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:36:38 +0100 Subject: BOC: RBN Message-ID: >Am I the only one on this list that likes Revolution By Night? It seems this album is not very popular among BOC-Lers. Club Ninja seems to take a lot of flack, but I always see RBN rated below CN. Nah, I like it a lot too :-) >Personally, RBN is one of my fave BOC albums. Songs like Eyes On Fire (awesome!), Veins, Take Me Away, and Shooting Shark are IMHO some of the best BOC tunes ever. I don't care all that much for "Eyes on fire", though. But I do like a lot "Shadows of California", "Shooting shark" and practically every other songs. And, of course, "Take me away"... which is, IMHO, what you could call a "perfect song". Heck ! This piece is so well structured I'm just struck with awe each time I hear it ! And it has a certain power to it... It's certainly one of my favorite BOC tunes ever (along with "Flaming telepaths", "VotPW", "Unknown tongue" and "Frankenstein"). Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Feb 7 06:39:57 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 22:39:57 +1100 Subject: Return of the Doktor In-Reply-To: <01BC1458.858206E0@agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Mike Parkington wrote: > Hi, > > Finally back on the list, what's been hapnin man? Welcome back!! What's happening?- Uh, the BOC fans have a diversion from being negative, with an interesting article from a magazine making some strong statements, the HW fans are all excited over a forthcoming tour, and a little mytified about Alan Davey's sabbatical from the band (but they are in the studio?). ...And I still haven't been able to contact HLL. L8r, Troy From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Feb 7 06:40:02 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 06:40:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Progressive really progressive? Message-ID: In a message dated 97-02-06 03:45:58 EST, you write: << I have a little trouble with the terminology used to describe groups such as Rush and Yes. To my mind, the word 'progressive' implies just that, progression. So, I would say that bands like Henry Cow and Can (at least in their earlier days) were progressive. Bands like Rush, Yes and Genesis I would hesitate to describe, not wanting to cause upset to their huge armies of fans, but to these ears they have not done much progressing since the early 70's!!! Regression, well, that's another matter altogether. >> Well, sure, none of the great bands of the early seventies are producing work at all comparable to their best work. Genesis completely abandoned intelligent music circa 1980, and the quality of the material produced by Yes and Rush has certainly declined (last Rush album I bought: Grace Under Pressure). King Crimson probably is the only exception, and I would say that even they haven't quite achieved the quality of the Fripp/Wetton/Bruford days. But I think there's nothing wrong with continuing to use the word "progressive" to describe them, even if it's something of a misnomer. After all, "modern" literature eventually became old, but they didn't bother changing the term because it had come to mean something new, a particular style of literature. This in turn led to the development of the term "postmodern" to describe the literary movement that followed the modernists, although that term has since been appropriated by others to mean any number of odd things. And who knows, maybe we'll be seeing postpostmodern material eventually or something. But, anyway, "progressive rock" is a term that indicates the music produced by certain bands at a certain time in history, during which those bands could actually be considered "progressive" by dictionary definition. Amusing note from my days taking college music courses: in his day, Richard Wagner's music was given the label "progressive" by his contemporaries. Given the length of his compositions, a thought that was pretty neat! SET From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Feb 7 06:46:54 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 22:46:54 +1100 Subject: OFF: What is progressive ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Paul G Ward wrote: > On 6 Feb 97 at 23:02, William Duffy wrote: > > > Here in West Australia, what used to be regarded as progressive rock is now lumped into > > the New Age CD racks. Not only that, I am sure the people running the store have never > > heard them. They just look at the covers, and then decide by what it looks like. i.e. > > Robert Fripp's "Exposure" is in among all the relaxation CD's. One shop even had The > > Pogues under Heavy Metal. > > Eastern Oz is just as bad ..... why does everyone put Marillion in > the Heavy Metal section for chrissake?!! Probably because it would not be good to have a "f***ed-up almost hippies" section in your record store. :) Troy From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Fri Feb 7 07:07:11 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:07:11 +0000 Subject: OFF: Progressive really progressive? In-Reply-To: <970206130721_-1743952049@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: I would not burden KC with the label 'progressive'. Indeed, their music in the days of the classic Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Cross line-up could be better defined as 'mercurial'. And if anyone has sampled the delights of the 'Great Deceiver' box set, they would perhaps realise they should be fitted either into the free-jazz category or psychedelic, on the basis of much of their live performances being improvisational - not something that I have ever witnessed to any great extent from the so-called 'progressive' bands. In fact, they always seemed rather too structured for my liking. Martin On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Steven Tice wrote: > In a message dated 97-02-06 03:45:58 EST, you write: > > << I have a little trouble with the terminology used to describe groups such > as Rush and Yes. To my mind, the word 'progressive' implies just that, > progression. So, I would say that bands like Henry Cow and Can (at least > in their earlier days) were progressive. Bands like Rush, Yes and Genesis > I would hesitate to describe, not wanting to cause upset to their huge > armies of fans, but to these ears they have not done much progressing > since the early 70's!!! Regression, well, that's another matter > altogether. >> > > Well, sure, none of the great bands of the early seventies are producing work > at all comparable to their best work. Genesis completely abandoned > intelligent music circa 1980, and the quality of the material produced by Yes > and Rush has certainly declined (last Rush album I bought: Grace Under > Pressure). King Crimson probably is the only exception, and I would say that > even they haven't quite achieved the quality of the Fripp/Wetton/Bruford > days. But I think there's nothing wrong with continuing to use the word > "progressive" to describe them, even if it's something of a misnomer. After > all, "modern" literature eventually became old, but they didn't bother > changing the term because it had come to mean something new, a particular > style of literature. This in turn led to the development of the term > "postmodern" to describe the literary movement that followed the modernists, > although that term has since been appropriated by others to mean any number > of odd things. And who knows, maybe we'll be seeing postpostmodern material > eventually or something. But, anyway, "progressive rock" is a term that > indicates the music produced by certain bands at a certain time in history, > during which those bands could actually be considered "progressive" by > dictionary definition. > > Amusing note from my days taking college music courses: in his day, Richard > Wagner's music was given the label "progressive" by his contemporaries. > Given the length of his compositions, a thought that was pretty neat! > > SET > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 7 07:37:08 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:37:08 +0000 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Feb 6, 97 04:56:47 pm Message-ID: > Did you know that Psychedelic Psauna goes for about 50 UK quid now? What!? I thought it was still available as a normal CD purchase from Delerium. Or is this some kind of original-Kollector's-vinyl deal ...? Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 7 07:41:59 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:41:59 +0000 Subject: BOC: NAME THAT NAME In-Reply-To: <32FAAAB3.594C@earthlink.net> from "ROBERT FITTERMAN" at Feb 6, 97 08:08:19 pm Message-ID: > The story out here on Long Island (where the > band originated, and still lives) is that while Sandy Pearlman and a > couple of members of the band were dining on oysters (probably stoned) Which? The oysters or the diners? Cheers, Carl From asg at IMAGINET.FR Fri Feb 7 07:58:34 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:58:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Progressive really progressive? Message-ID: >I would not burden KC with the label 'progressive'. Indeed, their music >in the days of the classic Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Cross line-up could be >better defined as 'mercurial'. And if anyone has sampled the delights of >the 'Great Deceiver' box set, they would perhaps realise they should be >fitted either into the free-jazz category or psychedelic, on the basis of >much of their live performances being improvisational - not something that >I have ever witnessed to any great extent from the so-called 'progressive' >bands. In fact, they always seemed rather too structured for my liking. Ooohh... I don't agree. Yes has been known to improvise a lot. In fact, "Tales from topographic oceans" sounds a lot like an improvised album to me. Although it probably isn't. And I know other prog bands are pretty good at improvising too. I mean, hey, when a band is so good at structuring their music they can't be bad at improvising. You attain a certain skill level where you can hardly go wrong. I can't imagine Steve Howe or Kerry Livgren (for instance) not being able to improvise. C'mon, let's be serious for a minute ! ;-) And just for the record, King Crimson IS a progressive band, at least in my personal little universe. Just as are Jethro Tull, ELP, Camel (to some extent), etc... Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Fri Feb 7 08:17:07 1997 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 04:17:07 -0900 Subject: OFF: Progressive really progressive? In-Reply-To: <199702071258.NAA11945@imaginet.fr> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > "Tales from topographic oceans" sounds a lot like an improvised album to me. > Although it probably isn't. In the video "Yesyears" Rick Wakeman says that he was dissatisfied with Tales because "it was an album without any plan. We just all went into the studio and played around until we came up with stuff." (paraphrased) -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 7 08:30:24 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:30:24 -0500 Subject: BOC: Points for Albums/Ramblings Message-ID: >Sounds like a good exercise. You willing to keep tabs on the results? Argh! No! Seriously though, I wasn't suggesting we do this as a poll. I just think it would verify my theory that the thing about *Club Ninja* is that it suffers from the fact that it only has a few songs that are fairly universally liked by BOC fans, and a few songs that are probably universally disliked. >Club Ninja, the debate continues - Someone (not naming names here) pointed out to me, if you took a few songs from CN, that people generally despise, strategically placed them in some of the stronger BOC efforts, all of sudden people would consider them good songs. I think he has a point. Maybe, but it's also the mix/arrangement of some of those songs that contributes to their being "weak". Think of the converse though - how 'bout if you take a few songs from CN that are generally despised, and mix 'em with a few of the WEAKER BOC efforts from other albums. The resulting album might be really awful! You think *Cult Classic* was bad? Whew! >I may not have worshipped or even liked disco music but it was essential for meeting girls in the late 70+s, early 80+s. You couldn+t score much at the clubs unless you could shake your booty. Tell me about it - let's just say I wasn't exactly a stud in my earlier years . . . >Still waiting for one Mr. Bouchard to tell me who was the man of the band with the ladies back in the day. Hey, maybe he ain't tellin' 'cuz maybe it was him . . . Then again, if his and Deb's "Operation Luv" is at all autobiographical . . . all right now, my mother would be ashamed to hear me talk this way ;-) >can+t trust those quiet bass players, right John S Heh heh - "trust me" ;-) John From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Fri Feb 7 08:45:55 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:45:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: Progressive really progressive? Message-ID: >where you can hardly go wrong. I can't imagine Steve Howe or Kerry Livgren >(for instance) not being able to improvise. C'mon, let's be serious for a >minute ! ;-) A friend of mine caught some Yes on the Union tour and said the saddest thing of the whole show was Howe trying to improvise actually...and this lad is a massive Yes fan as well (he's as rabid as we are about BOC/Hawkwind:)) And just for the record, King Crimson IS a progressive band, at >least in my personal little universe. Just as are Jethro Tull, ELP, Camel >(to some extent), etc... I agree with that in that they did move forward the boundaries of the rock landscape. 1/2 d. worth: BOC is progressive in that it made the hevay metal/hard rock genre become a but more refined, jazzish and less sloppy, compared to the Black sabbath line of dark noodling. infinite and viscious, Jason From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 7 08:49:42 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:49:42 +0000 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L In-Reply-To: <01BC1416.68588900@cshipley.ga.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Craig Shipley wrote: > I saw the Ozrics first in *'82*. (As I've said before, I misheard the > name and went around correcting people saying "No, No, It's Osiris > Testacle" for two years after that.) My band and them gigged together > loads of times through '84-'86. They're older than you think! > -- > Jon Browne > > > > Well, on my Delirium CD A PSYCHEDELIC PSAUNA, there is an Ozrics tune from 1983 called "Erp Riff '83", > which, according to the liner notes, was the first recorded OT tune. So, they have been around a lot longer that the > "late '80's". (seems to me that the band got its' first start in the butt-end of the '70's, but not 100% sure of that bit...) > > objCassetteDeck: PT/Signify > > Craig Shipley > craigs at pyramid.com Okay, okay, sorry. I stand corrected. Porcupine Tree would still illustrate my point though. Oh, Jon, while I remember; you talk occasionally about gigging with Here'n'Now as if they'd packed up. Who were the Here'n'Now I saw in Bath in '95 (when I first encountered *both* the Ozrics and PT - good gig... )? Yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 7 08:51:43 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:51:43 -0500 Subject: BOC: RBN Message-ID: Well, I like ALL the albums but . . . I like the following songs from RBN a lot: Take Me Away, Shooting Shark, Feel the Thunder, and Shadow of California. Veins, Eyes On Fire, and Dragon Lady are pretty cool. Light Years of Love is pretty, but doesn't do much for me. And Let Go? Well, I'll tap my foot to it every time I hear it, but it is a pretty stupid song (in some ways, it seems like it should've been on Club Ninja!). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 7 08:55:34 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:55:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: NAME THAT NAME Message-ID: Well, here's what I've got in the upcomin version of the FAQ on this topic: In the August 16, 1991 issue of Entertainment Weekly, on page 62, there's a story on band names that have umlauts in them. (Umlauts, we learn, are the two little dots over a letter, in particular over the "O" in Blue Oyster Cult.) The story credits Richard Meltzer with the "fad" of using umlauts in names, and recounts the story of how BOC was named. >From the article: "Sometimes genius strikes at the least-expected moment. In 1971, musician and songwriter Sandy Pearlman was trying to devise a new name for his band. Standing on a New York street corner with rock writer Richard Meltzer (who had been in an earlier incarnation of the group), Pearlman glanced into the window of a nearby restaurant and noticed that the menu included Blue Point oysters. "I said, 'Why don't we call it Blue Oyster Cult?'" he recalls. "And Richard said, 'And we'll add an umlaut over the o!' And I said, 'Great!'" There's another quote from Pearlman later in the story: "It was meant to bring all sorts of ambiguous implications to the name." Apparently when BOC auditioned for Columbia in 1971, they did not have a name. They had to come up with one to finalize the deal, and entrusted Pearlman to come up with it. This is presumably when Pearlman and Meltzer decided on the name "Blue Oyster Cult". It is believed that the name was already part of Pearlman's Imaginos poems, which were conceived around 1967. When Pearlman returned to the band and announced the name, the band was less than enthusiastic about it. In fact, some band members said that they hated the name. Never the less, the name stuck. There is an interesting story as to how Pearlman and Meltzer came up with the term "Blue Oyster Cult". It has been reported in several BOC articles in the past, but is believed to be untrue. The story goes that Pearlman went off with Meltzer, got stoned, and noticed a bottle of "Cully Stout Beer". Using this name, the two tried to come up with a number of anagrams using the name, one of which was "Blue Oyster Cult", and that this was how they came up with the name. What is more likely however, is that Pearman and Meltzer tried to come up with anagrams for "Blue Oyster Cult" and came up with "Cully Stout Beer". As Bolle Gregmar notes, beer drinkers realize that a "stout" is not a "beer", so the term "stout beer" is not a likely label for a beer. However, according to Bolle, someone once made a fake label for this "beer" using the BOC symbol, and the label appeared in some rock magazine (possibly "Circus"). From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Feb 7 10:04:29 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 01:04:29 +1000 Subject: OFF: What is progressive ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7 Feb 97 at 22:46, Troy Harris wrote: > > Eastern Oz is just as bad ..... why does everyone put Marillion in > > the Heavy Metal section for chrissake?!! > > Probably because it would not be good to have a "f***ed-up almost > hippies" section in your record store. :) Ok Ok, go easy ... I happen to like some of what Marillion have done ;^) Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Feb 7 10:06:54 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 01:06:54 +1000 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6 Feb 97 at 19:26, William Fuller wrote: > On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, William Duffy wrote: > > Pat Boone has recorded an album of heavy metal songs. Bizarre!!! > > By the way, what tracks are on the album (apart from "Smoke on the Water")? > > I know of two, "No More Mr. Nice Guy" and "Stairway to Heaven." Going *way* off subject, Rolf Harris did a cover of Zep's "Stairway to Heaven" (go on - flame away ... I'm not saying that's heavy metal!) Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Feb 7 09:18:16 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 14:18:16 UT Subject: BOC: NAME THAT NAME Message-ID: >As Bolle >Gregmar notes, beer drinkers realize that a "stout" is not a "beer", Chambers dictionary defines "stout" as "strong dark beer flavoured with malt or barley". Can't always believe what Bolle says! - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Feb 7 09:36:46 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 15:36:46 +0100 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations Message-ID: >> > Pat Boone has recorded an album of heavy metal songs. Bizarre!!! >> > By the way, what tracks are on the album (apart from "Smoke on the Water")? >> >> I know of two, "No More Mr. Nice Guy" and "Stairway to Heaven." > >Going *way* off subject, Rolf Harris did a cover of Zep's "Stairway >to Heaven" (go on - flame away ... I'm not saying that's heavy >metal!) hmm, remember a Rolf Harris/Stairway to Heaven thread on BOC-l a two years ago (?)... since then I've actually found one of the bearded wobbleboarder's album, though without the Zep cover... however, the Pat Boone album sounds interesting, I really like covers when they're not carbon copying the original - and I cannot imagine Pat Boone making identical music as the above heroes... :0) >Paul \\joe From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Feb 7 09:34:22 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 06:34:22 PST Subject: OFF: Re: Psychedelic Psauna In-Reply-To: ; from "Jon Browne" at Feb 6, 97 4:56 pm Message-ID: > > In message <01BC1416.68588900 at cshipley.ga.pyramid.com>, Craig Shipley > writes > >Well, on my Delirium CD A PSYCHEDELIC PSAUNA, there is an Ozrics tune from 1983 CHOMP! > > That seems not unlikely. I have very vague recollections at the '82 gig > that this was the first time they'd got together for a while as so-and- > so had been in India for a year. Mind you, this was at a great party and > I was royally smashed and it was 15 years ago, so....... > Yeah, time does blur things... I think that I got this info from the liner notes of AFTERSWISH, but didn't dig it out last night to check for sure. The were bits 'n' pieces about the precursor bands, such as the Bolshem People, and this is, perhaps, what I'm think of... > BTW I'd rather listen to PT *any* day, too! > To be honest, PT is getting more airtime than the OT right now. But I went thru PF/Camel/HW/BOC/Yes/ELP "eras of preference" in the past, so, if the past is any indication, things will change...Actually, I'm playing tons of synth stuff more than anything else right now; i.e. Tranquility Bass, a cross between Mark Shreeve/Tangerine Dream/Teubner. Not bad, and the opening track is a highly-memorable tune (when was the last time you found yourself whistling a synth song???) > Did you know that Psychedelic Psauna goes for about 50 UK quid now? Heh-heh-heh so I've heard! Between that and my copy of Men Without Hats RHYTHM OF YOUTH CD, maybe I can retire early... :-) I also have a copy of PT's YELLOW HEDGEROW DREAMSCAPE, which is supposed to be worth a big chunka moolah... objCassette Deck: Ronnie Montrose / Mr. Bones -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Fri Feb 7 09:35:53 1997 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 14:35:53 GMT Subject: OFF: Progressive really progressive? Message-ID: If I might delurk for a moment and add my two penn'orth Steven Tice writes > Well, sure, none of the great bands of the early seventies are producing work > at all comparable to their best work. I think that this _was_ largely true a couple of years ago but there have been many great albums produced by 70s dinosaurs in recent years. Some examples... the Coverdale-Page album, most recent HW (IITBOTFTBD excepted), Yes *Keys to Ascension* which is comparable to any of their early albums, Rush *Roll the Bones* and *Counterparts* are both truly great (I don't have *Test for Echo* yet), Deep Purple *Purpendicular* - one of their 2 or 3 best albums ever. Best of all is *Ozzmosis* wherein Ozzy shows the young pretenders what heavy metal is _really_ all about. > King Crimson probably is the only exception, and I would say that > even they haven't quite achieved the quality of the Fripp/Wetton/Bruford > days. But I think there's nothing wrong with continuing to use the word > "progressive" to describe them, even if it's something of a misnomer. For me KC _have_ gone downhill and in doing so they illustrate what I think went wrong with *prog*. As the bands became more proficient, older and more comfortable they lost their creative edge. Most 70s prog bands ended up trying to be something else - either jazz bands (Caravan) or pop bands (ELP!!!) - whether out of boredom, inertia or through record company pressure I don't know. This isn't to imply that some bands haven't continued to progress and change in a positive (i.e. interesting) way, here I would suggest my 2 favourite bands - the Grateful Dead and HW. > eventually or something. But, anyway, "progressive rock" is a term that > indicates the music produced by certain bands at a certain time in history, > during which those bands could actually be considered "progressive" by > dictionary definition. Undoubtedly true - it was always a meaningless term, after all there was less revolution and change in the transition from simple psychedelia to prog than in the transition from delta blues to Chicago blues! Chris Bates From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Fri Feb 7 09:41:48 1997 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 14:41:48 GMT Subject: OFF: Progressive really progressive? Message-ID: Alex Garcia writes: > Ooohh... I don't agree. Yes has been known to improvise a lot. In fact, > "Tales from topographic oceans" sounds a lot like an improvised album to me. > Although it probably isn't. And I know other prog bands are pretty good at > improvising too. I mean, hey, when a band is so good at structuring their > music they can't be bad at improvising. You attain a certain skill level > where you can hardly go wrong. I can't imagine Steve Howe or Kerry Livgren > (for instance) not being able to improvise. C'mon, let's be serious for a > minute ! ;-) Well... there is a difference between improvising and jamming isn't there? Most people jam around a composed theme, very few truly improvise their music. The exceptions would, for example, include Ornette Colman and from rock Can. True improv. leads to truly radical music which somehow doesn't quite describe Yes :-) Chris Bates From ABrevard at SHL.COM Fri Feb 7 10:50:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:50:00 -0600 Subject: BOC: Disco Dancing? Message-ID: dench >If anybody really thinks that 'Mirrors' is a disco album, or is even 'disco-esque', they clearly have never listened to Donna Summer or Amii Stewart. True enough its not pure disco. But doesn+t disco carry a wide interpretation? Some people consider anything danceable disco; I think you+d have a really difficult time trying to find dance music on Mirrors. You could always do that little Bruce Springsteen shuffle though. 8^) Theo> I think most people on BOC-L would say that Specters was a pretty good album too. Personally, I think things went downhill after Secret Treaties... I would agree with this from the aspect that ST was the top of the hill. They never did a finer album before or after. Not saying everything sucked just that ST could never be topped. Damon> I think that you ought to play "Moanjam" by King's X to wake the pupils up. See what the old Prof thinks of that! Don't turn your PA up too loud because in the event of too much volume, grant money will be spent to replace the system. Yowza. Your friend is very wise Damon. I am major KX fanboy and this is one awesome song. Real disappointed they didn+t keep this in the Ear Candy Tour setlist. Its to die for. > I take perverse pride at having grown up within spitting distance of BOC and never having heard of them until I moved to Boston :) Cheers, Carl HOWLS! Alex>-Hmm... well, I agree prog rock is hard to define. But I know a prog song when I hear one, that's all I can say for certain ! ;-) Right On Alex. It may be prog to my ears but with some classifications I scratch my head. Much the same way people say there is heavy Rush influence in King+s X music (I don+t really hear it) or that Threshold+s brilliant Wounded Land sounds like Dream Theater (not to me). I find it ridiculous to see a label on some band+s CD wrapper saying "For fans of Rush and Marillion..." What the hell is that supposed to mean, every Rush fanatic loves Marillion too? Guess I+ll have to operate on the more general principals of good rock and bad rock. BTW I always see Marillion in the Prog category here. William D.>Pat Boone has recorded an album of heavy metal songs. Bizarre!!! By the way, what tracks are on the album (apart from "Smoke on the Water")? William Fuller> I know of two, "No More Mr. Nice Guy" and "Stairway to Heaven." Add to that Van Halen+s Panama and a R J Dio song, something from Holy Diver if I+m not mistaken. Boone covering Dio, man you can+t get much more sick and twisted than that. Can+t wait for this thing to hit the discount bin. 8^). Aaron Crandall >Am I the only one on this list that likes Revolution By Night? Don+t think so Aaron. I cut my teeth on Rock with BOC in the 70+s. I then went for a long spell of not listening to any music period. Discovered a co-worker who was also a BOC fan. On a lark saw the Oysters at a local club in 94 and was once again hauled into the Rock and Roll Void. Up to this point I had lost all track of the band. The last album I had bought was probably Mirrors and I recall being a little disappointed with it. As luck would have it the first BOC CD I purchased was RBN. At the time I bought that one I thought it was the best from BOC since AOF/Specters possibly even ST. After hearing Imaginos and FoUO I no longer hold it in the same regard but I think its a fine effort, I even like Light Years of Love. lil ab (receipt dated 2/6/97 shows 205 subscribers - welcome newbies or welcome back old timers) From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Feb 7 10:26:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 15:26:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Progressive really progressive? In-Reply-To: Steven Tice's mail of Fri, 7 Feb 97 06:40 -0500 Message-ID: On 07 Feb 11:40, Steven Tice wrote: > In a message dated 97-02-06 03:45:58 EST, you write: > So, I would say that bands like Henry Cow and Can (at least > in their earlier days) were progressive. > > Well, sure, none of the great bands of the early seventies are producing work > at all comparable to their best work. Maybe not as bands, but some of the members of Henry Cow are still producing great new work. The (ec) nudes album "Vanishing Point", with Chris Cutler, both pushes the boundaries and (unusually for Cutler) really rocks. Dagmar sings on Cutler and Landien's excellent "Domestic Stories" -- sort of Art Bears meets electronic music. Fred Frith has been involved in a range of interesting projects since the 70s, although I'm not sure what he's been up to recently. >From other "progressive" bands, Bruford's Earthworks was really good jazz fusion; check out the live album. Hillage has of course been involved with System 7. > King Crimson probably is the only exception, I was disappointed by Thrak. It seemed to be going over old ground to me. To drag this back on topic, I think one of the good things about several of these bands in the seventies was the constant changing/swapping of personnel. It happens on the jazz scene as well, and I think it helps to keep people fresh. The link to HW is obvious ;-). Dave (with a single paragraph he was back on topic). -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Fri Feb 7 11:01:50 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 11:01:50 -0500 Subject: More Prog Rock Babble Message-ID: ><< I have a little trouble with the terminology used to describe groups such > as Rush and Yes. To my mind, the word 'progressive' implies just that, > progression. So, I would say that bands like Henry Cow and Can (at least > in their earlier days) were progressive. Bands like Rush, Yes and Genesis > I would hesitate to describe, not wanting to cause upset to their huge > armies of fans, but to these ears they have not done much progressing > since the early 70's!!! Regression, well, that's another matter > altogether. >> > >Well, sure, none of the great bands of the early seventies are producing work >at all comparable to their best work. Genesis completely abandoned >intelligent music circa 1980, and the quality of the material produced by Yes >and Rush has certainly declined (last Rush album I bought: Grace Under >Pressure). King Crimson probably is the only exception, and I would say that >even they haven't quite achieved the quality of the Fripp/Wetton/Bruford >days. But I think there's nothing wrong with continuing to use the word >"progressive" to describe them, even if it's something of a misnomer. After >all, "modern" literature eventually became old, but they didn't bother >changing the term because it had come to mean something new, a particular >style of literature. This in turn led to the development of the term >"postmodern" to describe the literary movement that followed the modernists, >although that term has since been appropriated by others to mean any number >of odd things. And who knows, maybe we'll be seeing postpostmodern material >eventually or something. But, anyway, "progressive rock" is a term that >indicates the music produced by certain bands at a certain time in history, >during which those bands could actually be considered "progressive" by >dictionary definition. > >Amusing note from my days taking college music courses: in his day, Richard >Wagner's music was given the label "progressive" by his contemporaries. > Given the length of his compositions, a thought that was pretty neat! > >SET In my incarnation as an English Literature instructor, I'm quite pleased to see somebody bring up the modernist/postmodernist issue here. That which is "modern" in literature generally refers to things written in a time period centered in the 1920's! Even "post-modern" has come to mean certain works that were mainly being written in the 50's to 70's. Aside from time periods though, there are certain earmarks that distinguish these categories, so that one will hear of a "postmodernist" book being written today or having been written in 1759 (as with "Tristram Shandy"), long before the term had literary meaning). Regarding music... the term "progressive" is certainly troublesome. Of course bands like Yes, Genesis, Nektar etc. were labeled as progressive rock because their music was seen as something intended to break musical boundaries and to progress beyond the ken of typical musical experiences. Of course before long what was a "new" sound became an antique sound. The word "progressive" definitely does not have the same connotations in 1997 as it did in, say, 1972. These days if I use the word "progressive," I could mean one of two things: either that long-gone era of arty (gaudy?) music some people were making in the seventies, or bands which are "progessive" today in the original sense of the word. I don't know what a progressive band would necessarily be, however.... maybe Nurse With Wound? When most people use the word to describe a modern band, they mean simply that the band sounds old fashioned and overdone, full of time changes and complex parts and whirling, noodling moogs or something. Then too, if we consider Jawbox, a band which has lots of time changes and complex parts and long songs, they don't sound dated. They sound brand new. This is prog rock as well, just in its current state. If Jawbox had been recording in the early 70's, they might have been the ones to do "Tales From Topographic Oceans". For the sake of comparison, the same thing has happened to the word "alternative" as has happened to "progressive." Alternative used to refer to an underground variety of music encompassing many styles and genres which were generally at odds with the mainstream, but now the word has lost its earlier meaning and refers to a very bland category of pop-punk music which can only be found on the radio and MTV. So when one describes something as alternative, it has these two contradictory meanings. It's very difficult to make oneself understood with these multiple meanings. Prog rock was initially supposed to be about mutating and evolving to stay fresh and original (something a lot of people who use the word seem to ignore). Thus we have various extremely retro contemporary bands who call themselves prog and yet might as well be walking corpses ressurrected from the early 70's, so unadventurous is their music. Regarding prog.... I think Hawkwind can be called a prog band in the "mutating" sense of the word. If you don't believe me, consider listening to the following albums back to back: Hawkwind, In Search Of Space, Quark Strangeness and Charm, Levitation, Chronicle of the Black Sword, It Is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous. Quite an array of musical variety, isn't it, yet it is all recognizably still Hawkwind. Well that's enough for now. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Feb 7 11:11:06 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 11:11:06 EST Subject: American Hawk Tales, pt II Message-ID: I don't know how long Jim Collins is taking these days with responding to orders for "AHT" (I or II). However, he is a friendly guy an dyou might consider calling him to check on your order. His phone is: (708) 755 - 5421 Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Feb 7 11:13:00 1997 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 11:13:00 -0500 Subject: OFF:Music Addictions Message-ID: All this talk of diverse bands and what people are into is interesting. Personally, I can't stand RUSH after 1980 and to even consider them progressive rock nowdays seems ridiculous. Anyway, like many on this list I am totally addicted to music and try to hear as much new and old stuff as I can. Here is a list of what new music I got in the month of January. I realize this is probably as much as some on the list get in a year. Shows how bad the addiction is... All this is coming to an end when I move to Denmark though, as I will not be able to take all my music. P.S. For those in the Boston area, Architectural Metaphor are playing at the RAT in boston on thursday 2/20. Paul of Arc Met has a side project synth duo that is very spacey (not techno) who is performing at the Massachussetts Art Institute on the 21st. I hope to see some of you at both shows! SCott UPDATES FOR JANUARY 1997 LIVE TAPES alien planetscapes- club spiral, nyc 12/9/96 30m vg/ex 1 amm- london 3/23/66 45m ex- - london 12/16/69 45m architectural metaphor- wmfo, tufts, medford, ma 2/6/85 15m ex Channel, Boston, ma 3/6/85 35m ex channel, boston, ma 2/18/86 35m ex studio rehearsal, Billerica, ma 4/86 35m ex wbrs, brandeis univ., ma 6/12/86 20m ex boston film& video foundation 11/1/86 45m ex rochdale, worcester, ma 10/31/87 15m ex seva benifit, northboro, ma 6/18/88 45m primal plunge, allston, ma 6/25/88 ex wzbc, boston college, ma 12/28/91 50m ex BEVIS FROND- UNDERGROUND CLUB, KOLN, GERMANY 10/31/95 130M EX- (sb) w/b.watts blackfoot- chicago, ill 3/16/80 15m ex - castle donnington, leciester, uk 8/22/81 45m ex - detroit, mi 10/23/84 45m ex - knebworth festival 6/22/85 60m ex EDGAR BROUGHTON BAND-BAD HERZBERG FESTIVAL 7/4/94 5M Ex BUDGIE- ROUNDHOUSE, LONDON 9/28/75 50M EX 2 can- sporthalle, cologne 3/2/72 70m ex- - waldebruhne, berlin 5/22/72 90m vg/ex (massive jams!!) - bbc 3/3/73 CAPTAIN BEYOND- US 1979? 20M VG+ cathedral- Horst Lop0 Club, Holland 6/4/91 40m ex CHEROKEE SEX WORKSHOP- MAMA KIN'S, BOSTON, MA 3/29/96 45M EX 1 - MAMA KIN'S, BOSTON, MA 12/28/96 45M EX 1 CHICKEN SHACK- BAD HERZBERG FESTIVAL 7/4/94 5M ex church of the insane- marlenes studio, queens, ny 12/85 45m ex- DEEP PURPLE- SUNRISE MUSICAL TH, FT. LAUDERDALE, FLA. 3/4/95 130M VG/EX ELECTROMAGNETS- OUTTAKES 1975 45M (ERIC JOHNSON) ex- EMBRYO- BAD HERZBERG FESTIVAL 7/4/94 5M ex f/i- cafe voltaire, milwaukee, wis 3/1/86 10m ex GOV'T MULE- ZIGGY, WINSTON-SALEM, NC 9/25/96 135M EX (SB) 1 - MAMA KIN'S, BOSTON, MA 12/28/96 135M EX 1 GURU GURU-BAD HERZBERG FESTIVAL 7/4/94 5M ex warren haynes- roadhouse, nyc 9/12/96 40m ex (solo acoustic) kraan- german tv 11/16/74 45m vg/ex KYUSS- ENTERTAINMENT CENTRE, SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA 7/4/92 40M VG/EX SUPERBANG FEST., DUREN, GERMANY 9/4/94 20M EX- (1 song and interview) MAN-BAD HERZBERG FESTIVAL 7/4/94 5M ex MOTORHEAD- FRIEDRICH-EBERT-HALLE, LUDIWIGSHAFEN 5/6/95 90M VG/EX ROSEBUD- BAD HERZBERG FESTIVAL 7/4/94 5M ex SKYCLAD- WATERFRONT, NORWICH UK 7/7/91 50M VG/EX- - SALLE MARCEL CERDAN, PARIS, FRANCE 11/16/92 45M VG- (CRAP) spacemen 3- rohre, stuttgart, germany 1/25/88 60m vg/ex thin lizzy- bbc 11/14/72 xhol- wdr-tv, bremen, germany 5/72 45m vg/ex Recent Vinyl/CD's afflatus- afflatus (japan 1986) ainigma- diluvium- (germany 1973) alien planetscapes- better than television (us 1996) 2tr cs alrune rod- alrune rod (denmark 1969) - hej du (denmark 1971) armageddon- armageddon (germany 1970) asoka- asoka (sweden 1970) autumn breeze- hosterls (sweden 1979) blues addicts- blues addicts (1970) burinin' red ivanhoe- burnin' red ivanhoe (denmark 1970) cargo- cargo (holland 1970) fdc extr cuts catharsis- catharsis (1970) CATHEDRAL- SUPERNATURAL BIRTH MACHINE (UK 1996) clear blue sky- clear blue sky (1971?) Culpepper's orchard- Going for a song (denmark 1973) earcandy- tasting 1,2,3 tasting (uk 1995) electric sandwich- electric sandwich (germany 1972) f/i- to be absorbed (us 1996) - oktober wimmen (1996) fire- could you understand me flasket brinner- flasket brinner (sweden 1970) garmarna- gods musicians (Sweden 1996) german oak- niberlungenleid (germany 1973) GHOST- LAMARABIRABI (JAPAN 1996) good god- good god (USA 1972) HAWKWIND- HAwKWIND (EMI REMASTER) CD - SPACE RITUAL (EMI REMASTER) CD - DOREMI FASOL ATIDO (EMI REMASTER) CD - HALL OF THE MOUNTAIN GRILL (EMI REMASTER) CD ERIC JOHNSON- SEVEN WORLDS (US 1978) jpt scare band- 1993 reunion session (40m) kalovala- People no names (finland 1972) lard free- lard free (france 1973) - i'm around about midnight (1975) - iii (1977) life- life (sweden 1971) lotus- veraO flora (sweden 1975) MAGIC MUSCLE- GULP! (UK 1991) CD malaria- malaria (sweden 1970) november- 6:3 (sweden 1972) TED NUGENT- SPIRIT OF THE WILD (US 1995) CD OMNIA OPERA- OMNIA OPERA (UK 1994) CD panta rei- anta rei (sweden 1973) paternoster- paternoster (austria 1972) phoenix bird- fuck the cops/parchment farm 7" (1969) ragnarok- fjarilar I magen (sweden 1979) ROOTS OF ECHO- ROOTS OF ECHO (SWEDEN 1993) CD saga- saga (sweden 1974) sudden death- suddenly (197 ?) terje, jesper, og joachim- s/t (denmark 1970) trad, gras, och stenar- live gardet 1970 (sweden 1996) WHITE HEAVEN- OUT (JAPAN 92' ) FCD Sorry I won't do this again! Scott From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri Feb 7 11:16:39 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 16:16:39 +0000 Subject: BOC: Points for Albums/Ramblings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, BREVARD Adrian R. wrote: > Ramblings - > I still have not seen a definition of progressive rock that makes sense > to me. I'll have a shot: 1) The basic lineup is amplified rock instruments. 2) But something in the chord structure / time-sigs / instrumentation differs from the usual 3 or 4-chord, 4/4 or 3/4, guitar-bass-drums-keyboard formula. Time-signature changes in the middle of the number are a dead giveaway. 3) If it gets to the point where it is just amplified jazz (I mean where the individual solos become more important than the song as a whole) it becomes jazz-rock. Some of those Jethro Tull songs like 'The Witch's Promise' are archetypal prog singles, because they have bits in 7/8 and a flute break. Despite the Roland Kirk influence, they aren't jazz because the break is quite short and subordinated to the song. Having a lead keyboard-player often causes prog, because keyboard players are often classically-trained and no-one can stop them sneaking in extra chords and stuff (Keith Emerson, Rick Wakeman etc etc). On the above definition, the Beatles 'went progressive' about the time of Revolver with all those mellotrons and sitars. The Byrds never did, though, because they stuck to pretty standard instrumentation and time-signatures. And I wouldn't think that BOC were, either, because they stick fairly close to 4 chords and 4/4, though I saw a comparison to 'Yes' somewhere, and if there was ever a prog band, 'Yes' was it ... - Mike Godwin PS What is the maximum number of chords in any BOC song? From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Fri Feb 7 11:29:29 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 16:29:29 -0000 Subject: Music Addictions Message-ID: Bloody hell man! are you related to the Sultan of Brunei or something. all that in a month!! You sure have it bad. Mike P From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Feb 7 10:29:19 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 10:29:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: Progressive really progressive? In-Reply-To: <199702071527.PAA02942@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Feb 7, 97 03:26:00 pm Message-ID: Dave says-- >>From other "progressive" bands, Bruford's Earthworks was really good jazz > fusion; check out the live album. I only have one Earthworks album, but it was definitely not fusion. Just very good jazz. > > King Crimson probably is the only exception, > > I was disappointed by Thrak. It seemed to be going over old ground to me. Have you heard ThrakAttak? BTW, King Crimson fans who aren't subscribed to the Elephant Talk newsletter might want to check out some of the back issues at the ET web site. Robert Fripp has posted in several issues recently, and he has some very interesting things to say about the nature of performance, and the relationship between the musician and his audience. Guido obCDplayer--Thrak by King Crimson -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From stayer at PI.NET Fri Feb 7 10:19:53 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 07:19:53 -0800 Subject: OFF: What is progressive ? Message-ID: Adrian wrote: > >I still have not seen a definition of progressive rock that makes sense > >to me. Alex S. Garcia wrote: > Hmm... well, I agree prog rock is hard to define. But I know a prog song > when I hear one, that's all I can say for certain ! ;-) Every new form of music is in some way progressive compared to the other, then existing musical genres, isn't it? So it just has to deal with the musical structures per album or per song. Or see it this way; after the early Seventies when bands like Genesis and Yes made it popular, we just kept on calling it progressive rock. Just a name. Whatever the name would be - I love it. Jerry _________________________________________ "he only sees through honesty and clarity the loss of sanctuary's divinity he's afraid of time" From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 7 12:08:52 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 17:08:52 +0000 Subject: BOC: NAME THAT NAME In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Feb 7, 97 02:18:16 pm Message-ID: > >As Bolle > >Gregmar notes, beer drinkers realize that a "stout" is not a "beer", > > Chambers dictionary defines "stout" as "strong dark beer flavoured with malt > or barley". Can't always believe what Bolle says! Bolle is in space! Beer drinkers realize precisely the opposite: stout, subset of ale, subset of beer. Cheers, Carl From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Fri Feb 7 16:09:08 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 16:09:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: Progressive really progressive? Message-ID: >> > King Crimson probably is the only exception, IN once sense it is true...KC does keep evolving-if you look at the line up changes and the way the music shifts in that shuffling of players yet remaining around a central musical direction. >BTW, King Crimson fans who aren't subscribed to the Elephant Talk >newsletter might want to check out some of the back issues at the ET web >site. Robert Fripp has posted in several issues recently, and he has some >very interesting things to say about the nature of performance, and the >relationship between the musician and his audience. I strongly second that notion. very very informative . > >obCDplayer--Thrak by King Crimson Its all improv and good improv at that. I think the closest recorded instances BOC gets to improv are the solo sections in 7SDb on OYFoOYK and the 5 man guitar jams Ive heard (ME 262, MaseratiGT , live 76) . That raises a good question if you think about it...the improvisability of BOC.. From ABrevard at SHL.COM Fri Feb 7 16:10:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 15:10:00 -0600 Subject: Off: PB Setlist Message-ID: For Curiosity Seekers -( and others who may look like Deflator Mouse) Set List You Got Another Thing Comming (Judas Priest) Smoke on The Water (Deep Purple) Its A long Way to The Top (?) Panama (Van Halen) No More Mr. Nice Guy (Alice Cooper) Love Hurts (Nazareth) Enter Sandman (Metallica) Holy Diver (Dio) Paradise City (?) Wind Cries Mary (Hendrix) Crazy Train (?) Stairway To Heaven (Led Zepplin) (?) Denotes I forgot who did this or never heard of it maybe. Nice if it were a k-tel comp, but its Pat Boone 8^). lil ab From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Fri Feb 7 15:36:59 1997 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 20:36:59 GMT Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated Message-ID: There is a Bob Harding playing drums at Stonehenge Free Festival (22/06/83) acording to the credits on the yugoslavian boot. Olivier From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Fri Feb 7 15:29:22 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 15:29:22 E Subject: Off: PB Setlist Message-ID: Paradise City (Guns n' Roses) Crazy Train (Ozzy Ozbourne) cheers bryan From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Fri Feb 7 16:44:09 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 16:44:09 -0500 Subject: Off: PB Setlist Message-ID: >For Curiosity Seekers -( and others who may look like Deflator Mouse) > >Set List > >You Got Another Thing Comming (Judas Priest) >Smoke on The Water (Deep Purple) >Its A long Way to The Top (?) AC/DC--bon scott era >Paradise City (?) Guns and Roses >Wind Cries Mary (Hendrix) >Crazy Train (?) Ozzy Osborne From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Feb 7 15:59:34 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 14:59:34 -0600 Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated In-Reply-To: Olivier Boigey "Re: HW: Golden Void page updated" (Feb 7, 8:36pm) Message-ID: > There is a Bob Harding playing drums at Stonehenge Free Festival (22/06/83) > acording to the credits on the yugoslavian boot. Do the credits also list Rob Heaton? According to Bernhard's list, it was Rob playing drums then and the name sounds suspiciously close. Any comments, Bernhard? Maybe I should start to put together a "mistakes" page that lists all the places where songs/performers/tracks/venues/etc. are named wrong. It would be useful, but it might be a never-ending task. In any case, it will have to wait until I finish the main pages. Thanks, Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 God is real unless declared integer. -- Allen W. Sherzer From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Feb 7 16:15:48 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 22:15:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated Message-ID: At 14:59 1997-02-07 -0600, you wrote: >> There is a Bob Harding playing drums at Stonehenge Free Festival (22/06/83) >> acording to the credits on the yugoslavian boot. > >Do the credits also list Rob Heaton? According to Bernhard's list, it >was Rob playing drums then and the name sounds suspiciously close. credited on the Live at Stonehenge Free Festival boot: Dave Brock - vocals guitar synth Harvey Bainbridge - bass vocals Huw Lloyd Langton - guitar vocals Dead Fred Reeves - keyb'd Nik Turner - sax vocals Bob Harding - drums Tony Crear - mime how rare is this little goodie? >Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 \\joe From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Fri Feb 7 17:28:12 1997 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:28:12 -0900 Subject: Off: PB Setlist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, BREVARD Adrian R. wrote: > Crazy Train (?) OZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZY!!!!!!!!!!!! Actually Randy Rhodes should get more credit for this song than Ozzy. -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Fri Feb 7 12:55:32 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 17:55:32 -0000 Subject: BOC: NAME THAT NAME Message-ID: > > >As Bolle > > >Gregmar notes, beer drinkers realize that a "stout" is not a "beer", > > > > Chambers dictionary defines "stout" as "strong dark beer flavoured with malt > > or barley". Can't always believe what Bolle says! > > Bolle is in space! Beer drinkers realize precisely the opposite: > stout, subset of ale, subset of beer. > > Cheers, > Carl missed the first statement,but perhaps he meant it in the way that.... budweiser is not a beer in the same but opposite way that a stout is not a beer. or valuejet is not an airline... or you know.its not a beer, its a BEER.... rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Fri Feb 7 12:59:37 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 17:59:37 -0000 Subject: PB Setlist Message-ID: > Set List > > You Got Another Thing Comming (Judas Priest) > Smoke on The Water (Deep Purple) > Its A long Way to The Top (?) <<<<<-----------------------ac/dc > Panama (Van Halen) > No More Mr. Nice Guy (Alice Cooper) > Love Hurts (Nazareth) > Enter Sandman (Metallica) > Holy Diver (Dio) > Paradise City (?)<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--------------------------------------guns and roses > Wind Cries Mary (Hendrix) > Crazy Train (?)<<<<<<<<<-------------------------------------------------ozzy osbourne > Stairway To Heaven (Led Zepplin) > > (?) Denotes I forgot who did this or never heard of it maybe. > > Nice if it were a k-tel comp, but its Pat Boone 8^). > > lil ab ps just because i know it,doesnt mean i like it. just heard it a lot. also,paradise city vaguely reminds me of angels of death....or maybe black sab's zero the hero.........or not. when i try to envision the sound of the album,why do i keep hearing the voice of soupy sales? rj From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Fri Feb 7 19:49:45 1997 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (DATE WITH A GUITAR) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 19:49:45 EST Subject: BOC: BOC on MTV (sort of) Message-ID: I just caught part of an MTV game show called Idiot Savants in which BOC was mentioned. The question category was Parenthetical Jukebox and the contentants had to complete the title of songs. The name of the artist was also given. The title was ______ the Reaper, and the contestant got it right. The other two artists in the category were the Eurythmics, and Elton John. Maybe some European record company bought their way onto the show to highlight their new artist- and insidiously prep the audience for the debut of a new BOC video... Today a game show- tomorrow a Rocumentary!!! On second thought, those other two artists are dinosaurs... oh, that was probably just a coincidence. Ever positive and blind to reality, Brian From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Sat Feb 8 03:19:45 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 01:19:45 -0700 Subject: Off: Klause Schulze Message-ID: Hi everyone! Just had to say that after indulging myself in another "only heard a little but bought the cd anyway" trip, I'm very pleased with Klause Schulze's "Dig It". very nice! Thanx Randy for helping me find this gem!! I also indulged myself last week with HW's "Live Chronicles" and "Do not Panic". Great stuff! Also saw a couple of Nik Turners works-Looks interesting! A friend has introduced me to Ozric Tenacles and I've decided to explore that as well!! Howcome I missed out on this before? Keep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, BREVARD Adrian R. wrote: > For Curiosity Seekers -( and others who may look like Deflator Mouse) > > Set List > > You Got Another Thing Comming (Judas Priest) > Smoke on The Water (Deep Purple) > Its A long Way to The Top (?) AC/DC > Panama (Van Halen) > No More Mr. Nice Guy (Alice Cooper) > Love Hurts (Nazareth) > Enter Sandman (Metallica) > Holy Diver (Dio) > Paradise City (?) Guns n Roses > Wind Cries Mary (Hendrix) > Crazy Train (?) Ozzy > Stairway To Heaven (Led Zepplin) > > (?) Denotes I forgot who did this or never heard of it maybe. > For shame. Troy Metal rules. Long live Pat Boone. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 7 07:15:47 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:15:47 +0000 Subject: Return of the Doktor In-Reply-To: <01BC1458.858206E0@agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com> Message-ID: In message <01BC1458.858206E0 at agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com>, Mike Parkington writes >Hi, > >Finally back on the list, what's been hapnin man? > >Mike P >(AKA Dr Nozzle) >Michael Parkington >Supplier Liaison Manager > > >Email: mikep at uunet.pipex.com Alan's taken a "leave-of-absence" from the band. Apparently he will still tour and record with the band but it remains to be seen if he'll do the upcoming tour. Damn shame. Good news is he'll be working on his new band "Bedouin". I look forward to seeing them as his solo outing was so bloody good. -- Jon Browne From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Feb 8 06:40:44 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 21:40:44 +1000 Subject: HW: Trouser Press "review" Message-ID: Hi all, You may have seen it allready, but Trouser Press has a page devoted to HW: http://www.trouserpress.com/bandpages/HAWKWIND.html Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From stayer at PI.NET Sat Feb 8 00:01:13 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 21:01:13 -0800 Subject: BOC: why interesting for prog fans? Message-ID: M R Godwin wrote: > PS What is the maximum number of chords in any BOC song? Then, what /is/ it that makes Blue Oyster Cult so interesting for a part of the prog rock fans? I assume they at least have different favourite tracks than blues / rock oriented BOC fans. Mine: Before The Kiss, Astronomy (ST), Diz, Quicklime Girl, Wings Wetted Down, Morning Final, Revenge Of Vera Gemini, Nosferatu, Celestial The Queen, Golden Age Of Leather, Vigil, Sun Jester, Black Blade, Veteran Of The Psychic Wars, Madness To The Method, Magna Of Illusion, Subhuman / Blue Oyster Cult, Siege And Investiture. Probably forgetting a couple. (How little of the current set list...) Dislike (not as such, just not as good as the others): Cities On Flame, ME-262, Godzilla, Going Through The Motions, RU Ready 2 Rock, Fire Of Unknown Origin, Burning For You, Beat 'Em Up, Make Rock Not War. Jerry _________________________________________ "he only sees through honesty and clarity the loss of sanctuary's divinity he's afraid of time" From stayer at PI.NET Sat Feb 8 00:07:30 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 21:07:30 -0800 Subject: OFF: beer Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > >As Bolle > > >Gregmar notes, beer drinkers realize that a "stout" is not a "beer", > > Chambers dictionary defines "stout" as "strong dark beer flavoured with malt > > or barley". Can't always believe what Bolle says! > Bolle is in space! Beer drinkers realize precisely the opposite: > stout, subset of ale, subset of beer. >>From this answer I knew you were (a) a beer drinker and (b) British... :-) > Cheers, Carl Hehe, what a way to say goodbye! Having a strong lager right now... Cheers! Jerry _________________________________________ "he only sees through honesty and clarity the loss of sanctuary's divinity he's afraid of time" From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Sat Feb 8 07:42:12 1997 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 12:42:12 GMT Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated Message-ID: joe writes: credited on the Live at Stonehenge Free Festival boot: Dave Brock - vocals guitar synth Harvey Bainbridge - bass vocals Huw Lloyd Langton - guitar vocals Dead Fred Reeves - keyb'd Nik Turner - sax vocals Bob Harding - drums Tony Crear - mime how rare is this little goodie? Don't know exactly, seen once (in france) and bought immediately; it's a vinyl, and price was about L20...I wouldn't say it's a goodie, cos, IMO it's not the best HW era reproduced there (punky N.T.).... Olivier From asg at IMAGINET.FR Sat Feb 8 07:42:15 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 13:42:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: Goldmine website Message-ID: Hey guys, could someone please remind me what the URL to Goldmine's web site is ? Thanks ! Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From asg at IMAGINET.FR Sat Feb 8 08:08:01 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 14:08:01 +0100 Subject: BOC: why interesting for prog fans? Message-ID: >Then, what /is/ it that makes Blue Oyster Cult so interesting for a part of the prog >rock fans? Well, as I've said before, I think BOC has many songs which can be assimilated to prog rock (like "The Vigil", "Monsters", "Quicklime girl", etc...). Furthermore, the fact that they've always avoided repeating themselves, all of their songs being so rich and different, is in my case a very strong factor. Plus, of course, the sci-fi lyrics. A lot of prog bands use SF too. And a lot of people who like prog read SF. (or maybe it's the other way around, many people who read SF listen to prog - whatever)... can you tell I read SF ? *grin* >I assume they at least have different favourite tracks than blues / rock >oriented BOC fans. Well, this might come as a big surprise to you, but a lot of prog fans actually listen to other stuff... they're not as narrow as some may think *smirk* Anyway, you'll find many prog fans like blues and "regular rock" (whatever that means). As far as favorite BOC songs go, a lot of mine are similar to yours. Check for yourself : "Last days of May", "Quicklime girl", "Flaming telepaths", "Morning final", "Godzilla" (maybe because I've never seen BOC live ?), "Nosferatu", "The Great Sun Jester", "The Vigil", "Black blade", "Monsters", "Unknown tongue", "Veteran of the psychic wars", "Sole survivor", "Take me away", "White flags", "I am the one you warned me of", "Frankenstein", "Astronomy" (both versions) and "Blue Oyster Cult" and many others as well... Note, though, that there are only four BOC songs which I actually dislike. One is on AoF ("True confessions") and the three others (surprise ! ;-) on Mirrors ("Dr. Music", "Mirrors" & "Moon crazy"). Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Feb 8 09:33:17 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 00:33:17 +1000 Subject: HW: Discography update Message-ID: Hi All, I just uploaded the Jan 10th 1997 version of the Hawkwind Discography (replacing the previous version which was from May 96) which I received from FoFP yesterday: Text: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files/discogr.txt Zipped: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files/discogr.zip Also, the "Codex and Discography" on the OzHawkspage has been updated to reflect the change Html: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks/Codex Finally, I finished massaging Mike/Jill's Codex and Discography into printed form tonight. The end result is a 132 page A5 sized booklet. I have the covers all prepared, and all that's left to do is to duplicated the contents. It should be available by mid-week, and my estimate on the cost at this point is just less than $A5 (that's about $4 US or 2-2.5 pounds sterling) plus postage. I'll let you all know the final price when it's finished. For those of in Europe/UK who want copies, I dare say that FoFP will post something to the list when he gets his master copy in a week or so, as he said he'd handle distribution of it over there. Best as always, Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Feb 8 11:18:18 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 00:18:18 +0800 Subject: Unsubstantiated allegations Message-ID: Johan Edlundh wrote: > > >> > Pat Boone has recorded an album of heavy metal songs. Bizarre!!! > >> > By the way, what tracks are on the album (apart from "Smoke on the Water")? > >> > >> I know of two, "No More Mr. Nice Guy" and "Stairway to Heaven." > > > >Going *way* off subject, Rolf Harris did a cover of Zep's "Stairway > >to Heaven" (go on - flame away ... I'm not saying that's heavy > >metal!) > > hmm, remember a Rolf Harris/Stairway to Heaven thread on BOC-l a two years > ago (?)... since then I've actually found one of the bearded wobbleboarder's > album, though without the Zep cover... > > however, the Pat Boone album sounds interesting, I really like covers when > they're not carbon copying the original - and I cannot imagine Pat Boone > making identical music as the above heroes... :0) > There was a TV series here in Australia called The Money or (or was it "and") the Gun". Each week they had a different artist cover "Stairway to Heaven". They released it as an album & video. There's some very interesting variations of the song on it, such as Beatles-style, jazz, disco, Kate Bush-style, etc.. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Feb 8 11:38:52 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 00:38:52 +0800 Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated Message-ID: Frank Weil wrote: > > > There is a Bob Harding playing drums at Stonehenge Free Festival (22/06/83) > > acording to the credits on the yugoslavian boot. > > Do the credits also list Rob Heaton? According to Bernhard's list, it > was Rob playing drums then and the name sounds suspiciously close. > > Any comments, Bernhard? > > Maybe I should start to put together a "mistakes" page that lists all > the places where songs/performers/tracks/venues/etc. are named wrong. > It would be useful, but it might be a never-ending task. In any case, > it will have to wait until I finish the main pages. > The "Friday Rock Show Sessions" CD is a good place to start. It stuffs up just about everyone on the album's names. William From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Feb 8 12:21:16 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 18:21:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated Message-ID: Hi there At 14:59 07.02.97 -0600, you wrote: >> There is a Bob Harding playing drums at Stonehenge Free Festival (22/06/83) >> acording to the credits on the yugoslavian boot. > >Do the credits also list Rob Heaton? According to Bernhard's list, it >was Rob playing drums then and the name sounds suspiciously close. > >Any comments, Bernhard? AFAIK a guy called BOB HARDING never played with HAWKWIND I think it was ROB HEATON Bernhard From asg at IMAGINET.FR Sat Feb 8 12:30:06 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 18:30:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: Stairway to Heaven Message-ID: >There was a TV series here in Australia called The Money or (or was it "and") the Gun". >Each week they had a different artist cover "Stairway to Heaven". They released it as an >album & video. There's some very interesting variations of the song on it, such as >Beatles-style, jazz, disco, Kate Bush-style, etc.. While we're on this thread... has any of you heard a "Stairway to Heaven" cover recorded circa 1985 by a band going by the name of Far Corporation ? Interesting tidbit : Bobby Kimball, Steve Lukather and David Paich (all 3 of Toto fame) were among the 6+ members of the band. The cover was nonetheless very impressive and quite good. The rest of the album is so-so (some tracks are interesting, though). In fact, the funny thing is that this was the very first version I heard of StH. Of course, since then I've heard & bought the original Led Zep version (as well as several albums of the band). Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From asg at IMAGINET.FR Sat Feb 8 12:42:17 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 18:42:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: Seeking soundcard advice Message-ID: Okay guys, I have this friend who is a musician. He has a home studio but now he wants to buy a computer. He will be doing some mixing on it, and thus it will include vocals. Now, he needs to buy a good (very good) soundcard to go with this computer (it'll be a PC, by the way). We've already done some research and 2 names have come up : Audio Media III and Multiwayve. The former seems to be very good (maybe even the best available) but is indeed VERY expensive. The latter we don't know much about. So my questions are : 1) Has any of you heard anything about these cards and how efficient are they ? 2) Would you advise one of those, or is there another one we should ask for instead ? My friend is computer illiterate and I personally don't know much about soundcards. So if someone could help us out here, we'd both highly appreciate it :-) Thanks. Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Feb 8 12:50:43 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 01:50:43 +0800 Subject: More Prog Rock Babble Message-ID: John Majka wrote: > > ><< I have a little trouble with the terminology used to describe groups such > > as Rush and Yes. To my mind, the word 'progressive' implies just that, > > progression. So, I would say that bands like Henry Cow and Can (at least > > in their earlier days) were progressive. Bands like Rush, Yes and Genesis > > I would hesitate to describe, not wanting to cause upset to their huge > > armies of fans, but to these ears they have not done much progressing > > since the early 70's!!! Regression, well, that's another matter > > altogether. >> > > > > Regarding music... the term "progressive" is certainly troublesome. Of > course bands like Yes, Genesis, Nektar etc. were labeled as progressive rock > because their music was seen as something intended to break musical > boundaries and to progress beyond the ken of typical musical experiences. > Of course before long what was a "new" sound became an antique sound. > I agree with this line of thinking. As an example, "In the Court of the Crimson King" is regarded (by some) as progressive rock. When KC (that's King Crimson, not the Sunshine Band) released their 2nd album, it was very similar musically to their 1st. Thus, it was no longer progressive. >Prog rock was > initially supposed to be about mutating and evolving to stay fresh and > original (something a lot of people who use the word seem to ignore). > I think a lot of the other artists suffered the same problem. They would record an historically significant LP, and they would then have to recreate that album to keep the listeners interested in their sound. If they were to make a drastic shift in sound, people may not buy their next album. In some ways there are artists who have made LP's that were so progressive, that what they would do later would be rather ordinary, possibly because they used up so many creative juices on that 1st LP. A perfect example of this is White Noise. White Noise is really a solo project by David Vorhaus (with help from the BBC Radiophonic Workshop). Their 1st LP, from 1969, "An Electric Storm in Hell", is a must buy. However, subsequent recordings are not unlike the works of Tangerine Dream, Jean Michel Jarre, etc.. William From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Feb 8 13:05:32 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 13:05:32 -0500 Subject: BOC: why interesting for prog fans? Message-ID: In a message dated 97-02-08 08:08:19 EST, you write: << Well, this might come as a big surprise to you, but a lot of prog fans actually listen to other stuff... they're not as narrow as some may think *smirk* Anyway, you'll find many prog fans like blues and "regular rock" (whatever that means). >> Well, it seems to me to be only natural that progressive rock fans would enjoy many styles of music, for musical eclecticism is one of the hallmarks of progressive rock--the fusing of many different styles into a musical whole that is hopefully greater than the sum of its parts. I also think it's interesting, after following these threads for a week, to see how incredibly varied the listening tastes of BOC-L people are--I guess that knocks the theory that BOC-L fans have narrow musical tastes pretty much on its head...and that was the contention that triggered all of these threads anyway, if I remember right.... SET From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Feb 8 13:13:30 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 02:13:30 +0800 Subject: OFF: Seeking soundcard advice Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > Okay guys, I have this friend who is a musician. He has a home studio but > now he wants to buy a computer. He will be doing some mixing on it, and thus > it will include vocals. Now, he needs to buy a good (very good) soundcard to > go with this computer (it'll be a PC, by the way). > We've already done some research and 2 names have come up : Audio > Media III and Multiwayve. The former seems to be very good (maybe even the > best available) but is indeed VERY expensive. The latter we don't know much > about. > So my questions are : > 1) Has any of you heard anything about these cards and how efficient > are they ? > 2) Would you advise one of those, or is there another one we should > ask for instead ? > I think it may be worth considering the AWE32. It is a resonable price, and it has the facility to alter wave files into what is known as SoundFonts. You can also have up to 28megs of memory on the card. He could also look at the Yamaha DB50XG Daughterboard, which can be added to any soundcard, has 4megs of memory, and comes with about 700 instruments. William From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Feb 8 05:13:34 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 10:13:34 +0000 Subject: OFF:Music Addictions In-Reply-To: <01IF4S7BCCYW566XFR@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> Message-ID: In message <01IF4S7BCCYW566XFR at MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>, "Scott Heller (617) 724-7762" writes > Sorry I won't do this again! > > Scott If you can be bothered to type out your list monthly Scott, I d be delighted to recieve it in my private mailbox. I don't however think too many people would be annoyed if you posted it to the list. You win, BTW -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Feb 8 05:08:05 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 10:08:05 +0000 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Jon Jarrett writes > > Okay, okay, sorry. I stand corrected. Porcupine Tree would still >illustrate my point though. Oh, Jon, while I remember; you talk >occasionally about gigging with Here'n'Now as if they'd packed up. Who >were the Here'n'Now I saw in Bath in '95 (when I first encountered *both* >the Ozrics and PT - good gig... )? Yours, > Jazza I didn't mean to imply Here & Now had quit, there are still going, but like any band that's been around for twenty years there's bit a few line-up changes. Of the original band only Kieth Da Missile Bass (nee Bailey) is still in them. It's his band. Steve the drummer's been around a fair while too, now. Although Steffy Sharpstrings has rejoined, this is after a 12 year plus absence and it's a very different band these days. The Here & Now I fell in love with was the one that recorded Floating Anarchy '77 with Dave Allen on vocals which is ususually remembered as a Gong album. Give & Take is another FINE album, in the loopy punk Gong style. I think the band lost a lot of what I dug when Gavin Da Blitz, the keyboard player left. These days the band play a kind of soft rock that I'm not mad for but you know how it is, you go to these things because of the scene and to see your mates as much as anthing else. -- Jon Browne From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Feb 8 13:21:46 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 02:21:46 +0800 Subject: OFF: Stairway to Heaven Message-ID: > While we're on this thread... has any of you heard a "Stairway to Heaven" > cover recorded circa 1985 by a band going by the name of Far Corporation ? > Interesting tidbit : Bobby Kimball, Steve Lukather and David Paich (all 3 of > Toto fame) were among the 6+ members of the band. The cover was nonetheless > very impressive and quite good. The rest of the album is so-so (some tracks > are interesting, though). In fact, the funny thing is that this was the very > first version I heard of StH. Of course, since then I've heard & bought the > original Led Zep version (as well as several albums of the band). > I've seen the album, but never actually heard it. Can anyone think of any other interesting (or bizarre) covers? I know The Residents have done lots. There is also the "Saucerful of Pink" album, which may be the best tribute album around (well, I think so anyway), with Nik Turner, Simon House, Helios Creed, Psychic TV, and other friends of Nik. In a way, it's sort of like a NikWind, Friends & Relations CD. William From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Feb 8 04:57:00 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 09:57:00 +0000 Subject: Rush fans on BOC-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Carl E. Anderson" writes > Or is this some kind of original-Kollector's-vinyl deal ...? > >Cheers, >Carl I don't have it to hand but it was in Record Collector, there was a Discog/Price Guide for PT. Good article actually, with a nice Pic of Steve and his interesting greenhouse. He's a bit of a gardner, dontcher know :)) -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 8 13:50:12 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 18:50:12 +0000 Subject: PT, PS, THC (was Re: Rush fans on BOC-L) In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Feb 8, 97 09:57:00 am Message-ID: > I don't have it to hand but it was in Record Collector, there was a > Discog/Price Guide for PT. Good article actually, with a nice Pic of > Steve and his interesting greenhouse. He's a bit of a gardner, dontcher > know :) It's nice to see musicians with nice, practical hobbies, like herb gardening .... :) Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From asg at IMAGINET.FR Sat Feb 8 14:04:31 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 20:04:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: Seeking soundcard advice Message-ID: >I think it may be worth considering the AWE32. It is a resonable price, and it has the >facility to alter wave files into what is known as SoundFonts. You can also have up to >28megs of memory on the card. Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of first, but then someone told us it only used midi input/output, while we'd also need digital (for the vocals). >He could also look at the Yamaha DB50XG Daughterboard, which can be added to any >soundcard, has 4megs of memory, and comes with about 700 instruments. This might be interesting as a complement, indeed, but it has to be added to a soundcard already in place, right ? I suppose it's compatible with just any kind of soundcard ? Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From ChStier at AOL.COM Sat Feb 8 14:14:02 1997 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 14:14:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Alturna? and P. Boone Message-ID: Hello folks, I was at a party the other night and someone mentioned a band that if I remember correctly is called 'Alterna' which the guy claimed is the next Dream Theater. Well, with the number of DT and Queensryche fans here on BOC-L I thought you may be able to give me some feedback weather I should try to track down a copy of this. Also caught Pat Boone on Leno last night doing Smoke On The Water. Rode out on a Harley and everything. Gotta admit by the end I was speechless. The saving point was Dweezil Zappa on guitar. Gotta pick this one up used... Chris From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sat Feb 8 14:48:09 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 14:48:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: More Prog Rock Babble In-Reply-To: <32FCBCF3.5B43@iinet.net.au> from "William Duffy" at Feb 9, 97 01:50:43 am Message-ID: William Duffy writes-- > John Majka wrote: > > > > ><< I have a little trouble with the terminology used to describe groups such > > > as Rush and Yes. To my mind, the word 'progressive' implies just that, > > > progression. So, I would say that bands like Henry Cow and Can (at least > > > in their earlier days) were progressive. Bands like Rush, Yes and Genesis > > > I would hesitate to describe, not wanting to cause upset to their huge > > > armies of fans, but to these ears they have not done much progressing > > > since the early 70's!!! Regression, well, that's another matter > > > altogether. >> I've never heard Rush being described as a "progressive" band before. I always thought they were hard rock. But then, if we describe any band that is "progressing" (which can't be defined anyway, since it's all a matter of opinion) as "progressive", then I guess some hard rock, metal, light rock, easy listening, etc. artists might be included in the category. You would also have to include most Jazz artists (except for Kenny G, of course :-) ). That seems bloody pointless to me (but then I always thought "progressive" was a stupid term for describing artists and bands). BTW, I like the cute, politically correct way you bash Rush, Yes, and Genesis. Very clever. > > Regarding music... the term "progressive" is certainly troublesome. Of > > course bands like Yes, Genesis, Nektar etc. were labeled as progressive rock > > because their music was seen as something intended to break musical > > boundaries and to progress beyond the ken of typical musical experiences. > > Of course before long what was a "new" sound became an antique sound. Perhaps we should be talking about "alternative" music too? > I agree with this line of thinking. As an example, "In the Court of the Crimson King" is > regarded (by some) as progressive rock. When KC (that's King Crimson, not the Sunshine > Band) released their 2nd album, it was very similar musically to their 1st. Thus, it was > no longer progressive. First, I don't think King Crimson ever appreciated being chained to the "progressive" label. Second, whether their second album broke new ground or not is a matter of opinion. Third, in my humble opinion, King Crimson has consistently been, and continues to be, one of the freshest most invigorating voices in rock (and no, I don't think the second album was all that great either). Who comes up with this ridiculous terminology anyway? :-P Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sat Feb 8 18:07:51 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 23:07:51 GMT Subject: HW Motorhead Message-ID: Hi Could someone tell me if there is only 1 drummer playing on the orginal motorhead single and who it is. Also how about someone addint to list of songs/albums who plays on what track. I'd lovet to do it but don't have as many albums as some will have and also I don't know anything about web code. Timmmy Fintan Langner 96163497 at brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com Working for: *************************** ******************** **** **** * Oxygen 107.9FM * * 24 hours day * *OX* *YG* * Can you face the music? * * but please make * * E * 107.9 * N * ********* ********* ******* ******* * * FM * * * UK's * * a * * * * * * * * first * * big * * ** * * ** * * student * *effort* * * * * * * * * radio * * to * * * * * * * * station * *listen* * * * * * * * to get * *to the* * * * * * * full 8 * ******* ******* * * Don't * * * year * * Interview Show * * * miss * * * lience * *With Midlands bank* * * out * * *********** ******************** **** **** STARTS FRI 14THth FEB 97!!!! Wednesdays 21pm-21.30pm Oxygen 107.9 From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sat Feb 8 18:19:13 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 23:19:13 GMT Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated Message-ID: >how rare is this little goodie? > >Don't know exactly, seen once (in france) and bought immediately; it's a >vinyl, and price was about L20...I wouldn't say it's a goodie, cos, IMO it's >not the best HW era reproduced there (punky N.T.).... > >Olivier Hi I saw acop[y once for L14.99 and asked if it was live (since it said import on it), person said it probably was but I didn't buy it since decided to get it some other time (not realsie it was a bootleg or reare or anything liek that) Timmmy Fintan Langner 96163497 at brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com Working for: *************************** ******************** **** **** * Oxygen 107.9FM * * 24 hours day * *OX* *YG* * Can you face the music? * * but please make * * E * 107.9 * N * ********* ********* ******* ******* * * FM * * * UK's * * a * * * * * * * * first * * big * * ** * * ** * * student * *effort* * * * * * * * * radio * * to * * * * * * * * station * *listen* * * * * * * * to get * *to the* * * * * * * full 8 * ******* ******* * * Don't * * * year * * Interview Show * * * miss * * * lience * *With Midlands bank* * * out * * *********** ******************** **** **** STARTS FRI 14THth FEB 97!!!! Wednesdays 21pm-21.30pm Oxygen 107.9 From swann at MINDVOX.COM Sat Feb 8 18:32:24 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 18:32:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: Seeking soundcard advice In-Reply-To: <199702081904.UAA19926@imaginet.fr> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Feb 1997, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > >I think it may be worth considering the AWE32. It is a resonable price, and > it has the > >facility to alter wave files into what is known as SoundFonts. You can also > have up to > >28megs of memory on the card. > > Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of first, but then someone told us it > only used midi input/output, while we'd also need digital (for the vocals). I recommend posting your query about soundcards to the comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.audio newsgroup. You'll in all likelihood get some much more informed advice there. >From reading that group, I wouldn't recommend the AWE for any kind of use except maybe playing games (and for that purpose the SB16 is more compatible across-the-board, as well as cheaper). For any kind of professional audio, the AWE is considered to be (a) too badly shielded from random electronic noise in the computer and (b) to have a really lousy built in wave table. > >He could also look at the Yamaha DB50XG Daughterboard, which can be added > to any > >soundcard, has 4megs of memory, and comes with about 700 instruments. > > This might be interesting as a complement, indeed, but it has to be added to > a soundcard already in place, right ? I suppose it's compatible with just > any kind of soundcard ? Like I said, if your friend is planning to use the card for any serious purpose (music, professional audio, etc), then there are any number of very good cards out there - the best thing to do is go to the newsgroup, and read what the musicians and audio professionals (there are many reading and posting to that newsgroup) have to say. Steve swann at panix.com From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sat Feb 8 18:53:09 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 18:53:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: More Prog Rock Babble Message-ID: >I've never heard Rush being described as a "progressive" band before. I >always thought they were hard rock. Really? You must only be familiar with the earliest Rush material. Most fans will tell you that the band underwent a pretty big metamorphosis around the time of "A Farewell To Kings" (1977) which led them to become what is termed progressive rock. Their first several albums basically were hard rock as you describe, but "Hemispheres" (1978) is undoubtedly a prog-rock classic with its ridiculous mythological references/metaphors in the lyrics, bizarre time changes, complex parts etc. I still think "La Villa Strangiato" (the last track on Hemispheres) is just about the apex of prog-rock instrumentals. Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures had songs which were more concise and even radio-friendly, but the innards are 100% prog. I'd say the band definitely took a dive sometime in the mid to late eighties... hard to say when exactly. I like "Grace Under Pressure," and "Power Windows" has actually stood the test of time (IMHO) and sounds better today than it did in 1985, "Hold Your Fire" has some good points but also some bad ones, and then the highlights become more and more sporadic... I think Rush has gone off course. It's pretty obvious from listening to the more recent stuff that the band's heart isn't into it anymore. It seems like they must regard music making as a job they do because they can. The lyrics are all topical, not personal, indicating a severe lack of interest and involvement. The music is generally flat and dull. Please don't flame me. Just an opinion, you know. I was a Rush fan for a long long time and it wasn't easy for me to admit that one of my favorite bands was letting me down, but as the band got more indifferent to music, so did I. John Majka From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Sat Feb 8 19:13:28 1997 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 18:13:28 -0600 Subject: OFF:Gong Message-ID: Hi, I am looking for a track list for Gong, at the cubby bear 10/22/96 hopefully someone can help me out. Thanks, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy,USA,Planet Earth,The Milky Way Galaxy hawkwind at interaccess.com http://homepage.interaccess.com/~hawkwind/universe.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From stayer at PI.NET Sun Feb 9 04:05:19 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 01:05:19 -0800 Subject: OFF: covers, interesting or bizarre Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > Can anyone think of any other interesting (or bizarre) covers? 'Bohemian Rhapsody' by Bad News. In the bizarre section that is... Jerry _________________________________________ "he only sees through honesty and clarity the loss of sanctuary's divinity he's afraid of time" From stayer at PI.NET Sun Feb 9 04:09:31 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 01:09:31 -0800 Subject: OFF: Alturna? Message-ID: Chris Stier wrote: > I was at a party the other night and someone mentioned a band that if I > remember correctly is called 'Alterna' which the guy claimed is the next > Dream Theater. Well, with the number of DT and Queensryche fans here on > BOC-L I thought you may be able to give me some feedback weather I should try > to track down a copy of this. Altura. They're on the Magna Carta label. First album 'Mercy' is great! Altura sound like I would have hoped Dream Theater would after their first album. (Since they did Images And Words, I still find When Dream And Day Unite their best album.) If you like Altura, check out Lemur Voice as well. Also on Magna Carta, of whom I do not own stock btw. (Or whatever that expression should be in correct English...) Jerry _________________________________________ "he only sees through honesty and clarity the loss of sanctuary's divinity he's afraid of time" From martinp at INFORAMP.NET Sat Feb 8 20:12:21 1997 From: martinp at INFORAMP.NET (MartinPopoff) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 20:12:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Altura review (plus a couple) Message-ID: Hi Chris, I just received the Magna Carta catalogue. Altura was one of the more metallic spreads (what the hell, here's a few other A's from the new stuff to go in the book also): Altura - Mercy (Magna Carta '96) Magna Carta is a label dedicated to the new wave of progressive rock. Home to acts such as Shadow Gallery, Tempest, Magellan, Cairo, World Trade and a raft of cool progressive tribute albums, the label has kept the ethic of the old prog warhorses alive and thriving. North Carolina's Altura are on the more metallic end of things. But true to their label's ethic, this comes to heaviness from prog (of a bewilderingly jazz fusion sort), rather than taking the stance of metalheads trying to be tricky. Therefore, all the metal rules are broken, resulting in fluid axework, lush piano, and overt, often frantic chops mania. Bottom line: my enjoyment of this might have much to do with optics, but the view is quite a worthy, if somewhat frosty sight. Rating 7 Anathema - Eternity (Peaceville/Music For Nations '96) UK weepsters Anathema have decided to drop the caustics, turning their black-robed backs on the lurching noises that had them crackling and cackling like a slow Godflesh or medieval Eyehategod. And I'm sure shiny boy Tony Platt in as producer had something to do with it, ? ?Eternity? ? rife with fresh new textures and melodies, usually brought burnt-winged by Maiden-ish guitar and increasing waves of keyboards. Add to this many churchy effects, complex arrangements and feeling, human vocals, and this is an Anathema that becomes a much more pleasant and provocative listen. A Type O Negative for the underworld. Rating 9 Apocalyptica - Plays Metallica By Four Cellos ('96) These guys look like your basic mopey death metal bunch, but of course what they're doing here is using cellos to cover Metallica. Best track is ? ?Enter Sandman? ?, although it's quite impressive what they do with ? ?Creeping Death? ?, turning the tune into something that sounds like a swarm of locusts feasting on a swarm of common house flies. Bloody 'ell though, the cello can sound quite caustic when it wants, and what better way to hafta hear them. Here's where I say the novelty wears off after three listens. Rating 6 Arcturus - Aspera hiems symfonia (Century Media '96) If you want to feel reverberating black metal magnetism, look no further than this supergroup of sorts, Arcturus demonstrating what can be unleashed when talented players descend on Norwegian grimrock with classical and progressive confidence. Arcturus is more a gathering of vets than a true band, sporting members from Mayhem (Hellhammer!), Ulver, Ved Buens Ende and Tritonus. But I'd advise our trusted Scandinavian harpies to chuck that claptrap and focus their evil energies on this classy pile of putrid pageantry, ? ?Aspera? ? really rolling out the carpet, capturing all those forboding tones in novel musical fashion. Vocals switch off, keyboards are left to wander woefully, and the drumming is tricksville, making this probably the cleanest, clearest demonstration of smudgy Norse soot I've stumbled across. Rating 8 Martin Popoff: martinp at inforamp.net Power Chord Press (Riff Kills Man!) P.O. Box 65208, 358 Danforth Ave. Toronto, Ontario M4K 3Z2 From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Feb 8 23:26:34 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 23:26:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Rush/Progressive Message-ID: In a message dated 97-02-08 18:52:29 EST, you write: << Really? You must only be familiar with the earliest Rush material. Most fans will tell you that the band underwent a pretty big metamorphosis around the time of "A Farewell To Kings" (1977) which led them to become what is termed progressive rock. Their first several albums basically were hard rock as you describe, but "Hemispheres" (1978) is undoubtedly a prog-rock classic with its ridiculous mythological references/metaphors in the lyrics, bizarre time changes, complex parts etc. I still think "La Villa Strangiato" (the last track on Hemispheres) is just about the apex of prog-rock instrumentals. Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures had songs which were more concise and even radio-friendly, but the innards are 100% prog. I'd say the band definitely took a dive sometime in the mid to late eighties... hard to say when exactly. I like "Grace Under Pressure," and "Power Windows" has actually stood the test of time (IMHO) and sounds better today than it did in 1985, "Hold Your Fire" has some good points but also some bad ones, and then the highlights become more and more sporadic... I think Rush has gone off course. It's pretty obvious from listening to the more recent stuff that the band's heart isn't into it anymore. It seems like they must regard music making as a job they do because they can. The lyrics are all topical, not personal, indicating a severe lack of interest and involvement. The music is generally flat and dull. Please don't flame me. Just an opinion, you know. I was a Rush fan for a long long time and it wasn't easy for me to admit that one of my favorite bands was letting me down, but as the band got more indifferent to music, so did I. >> I agree completely with your assessment of Rush. Actually, I seem to recall Geddy Lee stating in an interview in the mid to late eighties that he recognized that the best Rush music, that which would be remembered as significant music by future generations, was the more complex stuff they were no longer writing. By the way, anybody want a Cakewalk MIDI file for the aforementioned terrific instrumental, La Villa Strangiato? It took me forever to make it, then to readjust it for Windows 95, but if anyone's interested, let me know. (I recently completed Free Will and YYZ, as well). From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Sun Feb 9 00:54:24 1997 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 20:54:24 -0900 Subject: OFF: Re: Rush/Progressive In-Reply-To: <970208232632_-1274929102@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Feb 1997, Steven Tice wrote: > I agree completely with your assessment of Rush. Actually, I seem to recall > Geddy Lee stating in an interview in the mid to late eighties that he > recognized that the best Rush music, that which would be remembered as > significant music by future generations, was the more complex stuff they were > no longer writing. What a bummer... even Rush realizes they went to crap years ago... -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From danec at EARTHLINK.NET Sat Feb 8 15:04:34 1997 From: danec at EARTHLINK.NET (Dane Carlson) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 22:04:34 +0200 Subject: BOC: why interesting for prog fans? Message-ID: I can be classified as a progsnob I suppose, but I have always loved BOC. They rocked. They were not like other bands of their time, more tongue in cheek. They threw a few curves into their music, not the same old 3/4. To me Prog toys with the pop-rock dynamic, making it more complex, more interesting, but essentially it's still rock. BOC did the same thing with Hard Rock, making it more interesting IMO. They also had a sense of humor. I can sum up why BOC was awesome in one word, Astronomy. DAne From danec at EARTHLINK.NET Sat Feb 8 15:16:25 1997 From: danec at EARTHLINK.NET (Dane Carlson) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 22:16:25 +0200 Subject: HAWKWIND FANS Message-ID: Hi All, I am writing a HW profile for Expose magazine (modest 6 times a year pub concerning Prog, Electronic) and I thought I would get some filler via a poll. If anyone is interested just answer the questions and email back to me, not to the list. Thanks. Age: Sex: What year did you turn onto Hawkwind?: 5 Favorite albums: least favorite album: why do you like Hawkwind? 5 other bands you like: Have you/do you use drugs? what kind?: how many times have you seen them live?: Hawkwind story*: *if any interesting comes of this I would like permission to use your name and anecdote in the story. Otherwise all info. is for information only and I am not sure if I can/will use it. From danec at EARTHLINK.NET Sat Feb 8 15:19:43 1997 From: danec at EARTHLINK.NET (Dane Carlson) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 22:19:43 +0200 Subject: HW-Alien Message-ID: Hi, I like damn near every HW album in varying degrees, but I thought Alien was awful, really awful. I put the blame mostly on Ron Tree, the singer. I just hated that album. Anyone else? Is this the HW we can look forward to? DAne From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Sat Feb 8 20:49:27 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 01:49:27 -0000 Subject: OFF: Re: More Prog Rock Babble Message-ID: couldnt agree with this more.ive been a fan in passing,but my wife was a major fan,and assures me your statements are all accurate.............rj > Really? You must only be familiar with the earliest Rush material. Most > fans will tell you that the band underwent a pretty big metamorphosis around > the time of "A Farewell To Kings" (1977) which led them to become what is > termed progressive rock. Their first several albums basically were hard > rock as you describe, but "Hemispheres" (1978) is undoubtedly a prog-rock > classic with its ridiculous mythological references/metaphors in the lyrics, > bizarre time changes, complex parts etc. I still think "La Villa > Strangiato" (the last track on Hemispheres) is just about the apex of > prog-rock instrumentals. Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures had songs > which were more concise and even radio-friendly, but the innards are 100% > prog. I'd say the band definitely took a dive sometime in the mid to late > eighties... hard to say when exactly. I like "Grace Under Pressure," and > "Power Windows" has actually stood the test of time (IMHO) and sounds better > today than it did in 1985, "Hold Your Fire" has some good points but also > some bad ones, and then the highlights become more and more sporadic... I > think Rush has gone off course. It's pretty obvious from listening to the > more recent stuff that the band's heart isn't into it anymore. It seems > like they must regard music making as a job they do because they can. The > lyrics are all topical, not personal, indicating a severe lack of interest > and involvement. The music is generally flat and dull. Please don't flame > me. Just an opinion, you know. I was a Rush fan for a long long time and > it wasn't easy for me to admit that one of my favorite bands was letting me > down, but as the band got more indifferent to music, so did I. > > John Majka From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Sat Feb 8 20:56:06 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 01:56:06 -0000 Subject: HAWKWIND FANS Message-ID: hi dane,i will be happy to privately mail you a response to this,after asking a question which others may ask as well,hence the post to the list... you ask favorite albumsand least favorite.do you mean in general,or only hw albums? rj From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Feb 9 08:36:06 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 13:36:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: covers, interesting or bizarre In-Reply-To: <32FD934F.2565@pi.net> from "Jerry" at Feb 9, 97 01:05:19 am Message-ID: > > Can anyone think of any other interesting (or bizarre) covers? > > 'Bohemian Rhapsody' by Bad News. In the bizarre section that is... Bad News also mangles "Pretty Woman" virtually beyond recognition ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Feb 9 08:39:19 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 13:39:19 +0000 Subject: HW-Alien In-Reply-To: from "Dane Carlson" at Feb 8, 97 10:19:43 pm Message-ID: > I like damn near every HW album in varying degrees, but I thought Alien > was awful, really awful. I put the blame mostly on Ron Tree, the singer. I > just hated that album. Anyone else? No, I thought _A4_ was a vast improvement on _IITBOTFTBD_, despite some dodgy vocals from Ron. I liked him better on _LIS_ where nothing terribly strange was being done with his vocals. I even liked him on "Am I Losing My Mind?" or whatever that track is. But I liked "Alien I Am" and "Sputnik Stan" alone better than the entire _IITBOTFTBD_ album! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From ianfines at JUNO.COM Sun Feb 9 10:20:49 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 10:20:49 EST Subject: Off: PB Setlist Message-ID: >Paradise City (?) Guns 'n' Roses...c'mon! >Crazy Train (?) Ozzy, does Randy Rhodes ring a bell? >(?) Denotes I forgot who did this or never heard of it maybe. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Feb 9 10:43:25 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 23:43:25 +0800 Subject: OFF: Seeking soundcard advice Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > >I think it may be worth considering the AWE32. It is a resonable price, and > it has the > >facility to alter wave files into what is known as SoundFonts. You can also > have up to > >28megs of memory on the card. > > Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of first, but then someone told us it > only used midi input/output, while we'd also need digital (for the vocals). > There is a way of using digital output on it, I'm not quite sure how, but there are some web pages out there with the info. Have a look at:- http://www.telebyte.nl/sound/ You should be able to get some more info through that page, or the other links. > > >He could also look at the Yamaha DB50XG Daughterboard, which can be added > to any > >soundcard, has 4megs of memory, and comes with about 700 instruments. > > This might be interesting as a complement, indeed, but it has to be added to > a soundcard already in place, right ? I suppose it's compatible with just > any kind of soundcard ? > It works with just about any soundcard. I guess check out the specs, which I believe are on Yamaha's own web page. I don't know it's address though, but it may be just http://www.yamaha.com/ or something like that. William From blueoyster at EARTHLINK.NET Sun Feb 9 13:51:56 1997 From: blueoyster at EARTHLINK.NET (ROBERT FITTERMAN) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 10:51:56 -0800 Subject: Boc Fan Wants To Learn Message-ID: Hi, I'm new to this list, and a BOC fan forever. I read a lot of talk on this list about Hawkwind. To tell you the truth, until I joined the list early last week, I never heard of them. You HW fans out there have gotten me very interested. I would appreciate someone out there would tell me all about HW; like the kind of rock category they fit under, Cds someone can recommend, etc. I'm always very receptive to new music and artists. Thanks. -- # Netscape HTTP Cookie File # http://www.netscape.com/newsref/std/cookie_spec.html # This is a generated file! Do not edit. www.scifi.com FALSE /sfvortex/warroom FALSE 946641600 sfvortex125 voted .visa.com TRUE / FALSE 946684799 INTERSE 15328600853470859 .netscape.com TRUE / FALSE 946684799 NETSCAPE_ID 1000e010,107e7c40 www.webpromote.com FALSE / FALSE 946684799 file digits www.webpromote.com FALSE / FALSE 946684799 uniq_id YIA7mKZ1uG cdnow.com FALSE / FALSE 942189160 cookTrack 1082481247-854912485 From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Sun Feb 9 08:28:30 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 13:28:30 -0000 Subject: Boc Fan Wants To Learn Message-ID: > Hi, > I'm new to this list, and a BOC fan forever. I read a lot of > talk on this list about Hawkwind. To tell you the truth, until I joined > the list early last week, I never heard of them. You HW fans out there > have gotten me very interested. I would appreciate someone out there > would tell me all about HW; like the kind of rock category they fit > under, Cds someone can recommend, etc. I'm always very receptive to new > music and artists. Thanks. > -- (keep in mind,the foloowing represents one persons opinions.....) hi. they are considered forerunners of the genre called space rock.pinkfloyd fit into this catagory at one time.but hawkwind has changed its sound on practically every new album. to a longtime boc fan,i would recommend starting with live chronicles,levitation,and warrior on the edge of time. see if you notice any likeness to boc on the song who's gonna win the war,on levitation... WARNING: HAWKWIND HAS A HUGE DISCOGRAPHY,AND YOU SHOULD READ OVER THE ONES MAINTAINED BY CERTAIN LISTMEMBERS,BEFORE YOU GO ALL OUT BUYING. some of the comps are flat out ripoffs to anyone with a lot of hw albums,some should be strictly avoided, and are only valuable to the rabid collector.of course the big link between hw and boc is the work of sci-fi/fantasy writer and musician michael moorcock.(he co-wrote "the great sunjester","blackblade", "veteran of the psychic wars",etc.) wait for other opinions from other listmembers before acting on mine.... here's a stupid lil story.... after hw's 95 tour,i took one of the tour posters to a friends' newly opened cd store,and asked him to hang it on his store wall(after getting him to carry a small stock of hw albums.) he did,and the very next day,a customer (young guy) came in and seeing it,said he had heard of hw,but not heard them.he purchased two of the cd's ,my friend had in stock. within a month,this guy had bought every hw cd in everyone of my friends' catalogs.....it happens like that sometimes... rj From ABrevard at SHL.COM Sun Feb 9 16:44:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 15:44:00 -0600 Subject: Off: Altura Message-ID: Chris Stier> I was at a party the other night and someone mentioned a band that if I remember correctly is called 'Alterna' which the guy claimed is the next Dream Theater. Well, with the number of DT and Queensryche fans here on BOC-L I thought you may be able to give me some feedback weather I should try to track down a copy of this.- Ooops I see a couple of folks have beaten me to this already. Take the following for what its worth, I'm one of those who think Queensryche is the better of the two bands. With that in mind....Bands name is Altura and its not bad. My prog rock point man made a copy of Mercy and Lemur Voice on the same tape. I checked out both bands and went in to pick up the Altura but got the Lemur Voice by mistake (wasn+t paying attention to the direction of the tape heads). I think a lot of these Magna Carta artist are starting to sound too much like Dream Theater. To coin a phrase there almost cookie cutter. I do like them and will be getting this cd in the near future. Now where and when will I be able to get my hands on the ew Threshold, Extinct Instinct. Thats a band worth searching for, IMHO of course. Jerry>"I still find When Dream And Day Unite their best album." Really? I think its terrific but I can't stand the vocals. Try as I might I wish I could tune them out and simply listen to the music. The songs from this album sound pretty good on Live at The Marquee, they are great tunes but man that singer ouch. Thank God for James LaBrie. lil ab From ianfines at JUNO.COM Sun Feb 9 16:01:05 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:01:05 EST Subject: HAWKWIND FANS Message-ID: Hello Dane: >Age: 18 >Sex:Male >What year did you turn onto Hawkwind?: 1990 >5 Favorite albums: Space Ritual Hall Of The Mountain Grill In Search of Space Warrior On the Edge Of Time Levitation >least favorite album: It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous >why do you like Hawkwind? They are absolutely unconventional, and have solely led the way for other bands like Pressurehed, Ozric Tentacles, Darxtar, Farflung, etc.. >5 other bands you like: Amon Duul 2 Man Quicksilver Messenger Service Yes Gong >Have you/do you use drugs? Yes >what kind?: Marijuana >how many times have you seen them live?: once later.... From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sun Feb 9 17:56:22 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 17:56:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: More Prog Rock Babble In-Reply-To: <199702090651.BAA05126@listserv.spc.edu> from "RJ" at Feb 9, 97 01:49:27 am Message-ID: RJ says-- > > couldnt agree with this more.ive been a fan in passing,but my wife was a > major fan,and > assures me your statements are all accurate.............rj > > > Really? You must only be familiar with the earliest Rush material. Most > > fans will tell you that the band underwent a pretty big metamorphosis > around > > the time of "A Farewell To Kings" (1977) which led them to become what is > > termed progressive rock. Their first several albums basically were hard I am familiar with Rush's entire career (I've seen them on five consecutive tours, starting with the Permanent Waves Tour in 1980), and I still think calling them prog rock is baloney, unless you include Metallica, Megadeth, BOC, Helloween, Celtic Frost and Cirith Ungol in the same (useless) category. Prog rock refers to a time and a style (i.e., bands originating in the late sixties to mid seventies, largely keyboard and synthesizer driven tunes with fantasy genre lyrics). Rush is not prog rock. All IMHO, of course, Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Feb 10 11:34:53 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:34:53 EST Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970208180039.006a1aec@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de>; from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Feb 8, 97 06:21:16 pm Message-ID: > > Hi there > > At 14:59 07.02.97 -0600, you wrote: > > >> There is a Bob Harding playing drums at Stonehenge Free Festival (22/06/83) > >> acording to the credits on the yugoslavian boot. > > > >Do the credits also list Rob Heaton? According to Bernhard's list, it > >was Rob playing drums then and the name sounds suspiciously close. > > > >Any comments, Bernhard? > > AFAIK a guy called BOB HARDING never played with HAWKWIND > I think it was ROB HEATON > > > > Bernhard > Im sure that a copy of hawkfan (8?) has a story of the 83 stonehenge gig and from memory it was Andy andersons roadie who played. I'll check it out tonight. Marty From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Sun Feb 9 15:02:36 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:02:36 -0000 Subject: OFF: Re: More Prog Rock Babble Message-ID: > Prog rock refers to a time and a style (i.e., bands > originating in the late sixties to mid seventies, largely keyboard and > synthesizer driven tunes with fantasy genre lyrics). Rush is not prog rock. hi, i dont really think this is worth arguing about for the simple reason that i feel all musical labels are useless, that you can fit any band's music into a multitude of these catagories. once upon a time,these labels were useful in classifying music in the record stores,helping djs decide what to play and when, and helping fans find music of similar nature. now, in an ever widening search for new sounds,music touches many different styles,mixes them in strange ways,ignores them altogether occasionally, so that it is now nearly impossible to brand a group as this or that. this is good,really. but anymore,you almost have to take it song for song, i mean this song by boc is straight forward rock,that song is macabre heavy metal,and this one seems to blend funk with jazz and rock,with classical undertone.... i'd also like to point out that your arguments against rush being prog,are not working.... all those things you say make up prog,do in fact apply to rush. rush originated late sixties/early seventies. definitely synth driven,and major fantasy overtones. remember,im not arguing to brand rush as prog. i havent a clue what to call it. all i know,is the last thing i enjoyed by them was moving pictures,and a couple of tracks off of signals. this all imo,as well,and not intended to be construed as studied analysis...... rj =) > All IMHO, of course, > Guido > > -- > If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From asg at IMAGINET.FR Sun Feb 9 20:53:01 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 02:53:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: More Prog Rock Babble Message-ID: >i dont really think this is worth arguing about for the simple reason that >i feel all musical labels are useless, >that you can fit any band's music into a multitude of these catagories. >once upon a time,these labels were >useful in classifying music in the record stores,helping djs decide what to >play and when, and helping fans find music of similar nature. now, in an >ever widening search for new sounds,music touches many different >styles,mixes them in strange ways,ignores them altogether occasionally, so >that it is now nearly impossible >to brand a group as this or that. this is good,really. but anymore,you >almost have to take it song for song, >i mean this song by boc is straight forward rock,that song is macabre heavy >metal,and this one seems to >blend funk with jazz and rock,with classical undertone.... *clapping hands vigorously* Right on ! I'm with you on this one, RJ. Labels have become quite obsolete these days. And not just in music, actually, I think the same holds true in Science-Fiction/Fantasy literature. But that's another story :-) >i'd also like to point out that your arguments against rush being prog,are >not working.... >all those things you say make up prog,do in fact apply to rush. rush >originated late sixties/early seventies. >definitely synth driven,and major fantasy overtones. >remember,im not arguing to brand rush as prog. i havent a clue what to call >it. all i know,is the last thing i enjoyed by them was moving pictures,and >a couple of tracks off of signals. >this all imo,as well,and not intended to be construed as studied >analysis...... rj =) Once again, I totally agree. Rush has definitely used a lot of synths & fantasy lyrics. One of the things which attracted me to them, actually. Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sun Feb 9 23:38:24 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 23:38:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: More Prog Rock Babble Message-ID: In a message dated 97-02-09 19:11:51 EST, you write: << I am familiar with Rush's entire career (I've seen them on five consecutive tours, starting with the Permanent Waves Tour in 1980), and I still think calling them prog rock is baloney, unless you include Metallica, Megadeth, BOC, Helloween, Celtic Frost and Cirith Ungol in the same (useless) category. Prog rock refers to a time and a style (i.e., bands originating in the late sixties to mid seventies, largely keyboard and synthesizer driven tunes with fantasy genre lyrics). Rush is not prog rock. >> With all due respect, I'm not entirely sure you're aware of exactly what progressive rock is. It is far more than merely seventies keyboard rock with fantasy lyrics! Progressive rock music exhibits tremendous musical complexity, virtuoso musicianship, and the fusion of musical styles from all times and around the world into a sophisticated musical whole. No single instrument is predominant. As for "fantasy" lyrics, the progressive bands pretty much ran the gamut, lyrically speaking; ELP, Tull, Crimson, Yes, and Genesis (the Big Five, as I call them) all had very different lyrics. Certain bands of the mid to late seventies were heavily influenced by the music of these bands, foremost among them Kansas and Rush. While Rush started out as a metal group, over time they metamorphosed into what they themselves proudly described as a progressive band, producing most of their best work. Unfortunately they later chose to take the pop music route, after which I lost interest in the band. So, while they have not ALWAYS been a progressive band, they most certainly were one for awhile! :-) By the way, I think this argument that "music shouldn't be categorized" is kind of silly. It is only by recognizing repeated patterns, naming them, and comparing them that we are able to chart progress in any intellectual area, so it is only natural that we should do so with music as well. The fact that nothing may precisely fit a certain category is irrelevant. It's also important to recognize that many of these bands saw themselves as belonging to a particular musical niche. In this case, the progressive bands saw themselves as producing intelligent, forward-looking music that nonetheless recognized and absorbed all the best of the music of the past and expanded it upon it, creating music that was, in Fripp's words, "more for the head than for the foot." Whether such music remained in fact progressive is another matter, and irrelevant to the usefulness of the term "Progressive" to refer to the music of that particular time period. SET From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Feb 10 02:09:04 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 00:09:04 -0700 Subject: OFF: Re: More Prog Rock Babble Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > >i dont really think this is worth arguing about for the simple reason that > >i feel all musical labels are useless, Had to comment here: I agree!! It's just this folx: MUSIC!!!! Labels are ok-but I use them only to explain a like or dislike and there's many of both!! Keep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: What I think I find most amusing about all this sort of thing is the fact that we seem to have to categorise things (not just music, obviously). I tend to think that music is music - if you like it it's good, if you don't it's bad. When you start sticking labels on something, then it loses something. I can see that some people would embrace KC as a progressive band, but for me they are just (or were!) a killer band, like many others. I think, actually, it takes something away from ourselves when we label ourselves as lovers of a certain type of music. And, to my mind, there is nothing sadder than someone who only likes a specific type of music - it would seem that there is not much scope for taste or discretion there. But these are only my own opinions on it. I just think that music is music, why label something when it can speak for itself? Martin On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > >I would not burden KC with the label 'progressive'. Indeed, their music > >in the days of the classic Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Cross line-up could be > >better defined as 'mercurial'. And if anyone has sampled the delights of > >the 'Great Deceiver' box set, they would perhaps realise they should be > >fitted either into the free-jazz category or psychedelic, on the basis of > >much of their live performances being improvisational - not something that > >I have ever witnessed to any great extent from the so-called 'progressive' > >bands. In fact, they always seemed rather too structured for my liking. > > Ooohh... I don't agree. Yes has been known to improvise a lot. In fact, > "Tales from topographic oceans" sounds a lot like an improvised album to me. > Although it probably isn't. And I know other prog bands are pretty good at > improvising too. I mean, hey, when a band is so good at structuring their > music they can't be bad at improvising. You attain a certain skill level > where you can hardly go wrong. I can't imagine Steve Howe or Kerry Livgren > (for instance) not being able to improvise. C'mon, let's be serious for a > minute ! ;-) > And just for the record, King Crimson IS a progressive band, at > least in my personal little universe. Just as are Jethro Tull, ELP, Camel > (to some extent), etc... > > > > Alex S. Garcia. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ > (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock > In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) > ---------------------------------------------------------- > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 10 04:44:36 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 09:44:36 +0000 Subject: OFF : Star Wars Special Edition Message-ID: Sorry to be so OFF, but I saw the Star Wars Remaster at the Big Odeon Leicester Suare yesterday, Press Preview and The Force is With Me this morning! (it's not out for a month in the UK, although you guys must be getting sick of it by now!) Brilliant!!!!! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 10 05:21:31 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:21:31 +0000 Subject: HW-Alien In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Dane Carlson writes >Hi, > I like damn near every HW album in varying degrees, but I thought Alien >was awful, really awful. I put the blame mostly on Ron Tree, the singer. I >just hated that album. Anyone else? Is this the HW we can look forward to? > >DAne Aaah, you'll get used to it. Over the last 15 years I have almost always been slightly dissappointed with "the new HW album" however a few months later I love it, play it to death etc. the only memorable exeptions to the "new HW album" effect were Xenon Codex, Electric Tepee and Captured Rotation. Every other album has taken time for me to "get it". But I *do* "get it" :) BTW am I the only one who doesn't like the Title track to Love In Space? -- Jon Browne CDRight now - You Love Us _ Manic Street Preachers From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 10 06:12:19 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 03:12:19 -0800 Subject: OFF: What is progressive ? Message-ID: >>Should Demis Rousos (or however it's spelt) be regarded progressive, >>since he used to be in a band called Aphrodite's Child??? > >Vangelis was also in that band. I don't think I've ever heard any of >their stuff, though. I'll have to try them one day, if I can dig out >one of the albums... OTOH, Demis Roussos (that's the correct >spelling, BTW) had his time of glory here in France (I'm not sure how >successful he was elsewhere) and I must admit that I like a few of >his songs. Note that I said "a few", not "all" ;-) Well, don't blame >me... the guy has such a great voice ! > I'm wrinkly enough to have been around when he had his flash of fame in Britain - he was pretty universally despised by "heads" despite his Aphrodite's Child credentials. Their albums are pretty patchy, being a strange mix of reedy ballads, bland europop and more adventurous (dare I say progressive?) material. The best overall I suppose is "666" which is (aaargh!) a "concept" album inspired by the book of Revelations from the new testament, unfortunately my (vinyl) copy has the redesigned cover using a graphical style drawn from the "Omen" films, the original cover is more handsome. OK, having used the p word heres my two small currency units - in the period from about 1969, that word implied a more adventurous musical outlook, not necessarily embodying a multi-strucured song format (per Genesis, Yes, Van der Graaf Generator), often including improvisatory structures (e.g. Soft Machine, early Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Henry Cow(again), Gong, Zappa), German electronica (Faust, TD, Can, Amon Duul...) and also the generally stoned/spaced out bands from the Grateful Dead/Quicksilver etc California scene through to Man, Hawkwind, Nektar and on and on. But as the seventies wore on, it came to have a sad note of pomposity, pretentiousness and overweening ambition. I have my own list of the guilty, but I'll avoid treading on anybody's delicate sensibilities :-{)> Suffice to say (as I've mentioned before) that I was one of those that welcomed the arrival of the punks and a new generation of more hard-nosed rock bands (and the belated recognition of MC5, Iggy/Stooges). I also STILL enjoy vintage 70s stuff (I grew up with it after all). ChrisW -Life does NOT end at 40 --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 10 05:33:29 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:33:29 +0000 Subject: Boc Fan Wants To Learn In-Reply-To: <199702091831.NAA08601@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <199702091831.NAA08601 at listserv.spc.edu>, RJ writes >within a month,this guy had bought >every hw cd in everyone of my friends' catalogs.....it happens like that >sometimes... rj and even if you've already got about 70 HW and related discs, you'll still find yourself buying 15-20 a year forever after. :) or was 96 a particular "release heavy" year? -- Jon Browne From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Mon Feb 10 06:43:35 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:43:35 +1100 Subject: OFF: Re: More Prog Rock Babble In-Reply-To: <970209233823_-1174168602@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: OH FOR GOD'S SAKE PROG ROCK IS JUST THAT: PROGRESSIVE! It is subject to change. I mean I have an old article that says BLACK SABBATH are a prog rock band. Prog bands are just bands that explore territory, and are usually eclectic. I think we have heard enough about certain bands as being "prog". These bands are largely now "Regressive" or "history". They are "prog", but so are a *LOT* of contemporary bands that would not get a look in on this list. Pidgeon holing bands, in the end, really doesn't work to the extent that we would like it too. (Unless the band in question *seeks* to be generic, like ManOWar want to be Metal, for eg) My two pesos, Troy From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Feb 10 06:38:43 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:38:43 +0000 Subject: OFF:Music Addictions In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:13:00 EST." <01IF4S7BCCYW566XFR@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> Message-ID: > All this talk of diverse bands and what people are into is > interesting. Personally, I can't stand RUSH after 1980 and to > even consider them progressive rock nowdays seems ridiculous. > Anyway, like many on this list I am totally addicted to music and > try to hear as much new and old stuff as I can. Here is a list > of what new music I got in the month of January. I realize this > is probably as much as some on the list get in a year. Shows how > bad the addiction is... All this is coming to an end when I move > to Denmark though, as I will not be able to take all my music. > > SCott > > UPDATES FOR JANUARY 1997 < collossal list deleted > Erm, Scott, this prompts the question. How can you possibly listen to all this ?! Even if you have it playing every waking moment you'd barely get through it all. And since this intake is just one month, how'd you get the time to listen to anything more than once ? Of course, if you don't listen to it all, then the question is more that your addiction is to do with procurement rather than music itself. Then I'd suggest shifting focus to something cheaper, like beer mats :-) cheers, Tim one question in the list though - > ERIC JOHNSON- SEVEN WORLDS (US 1978) Is this perchance the guitarist (Ah Via Musicom, etc) ? Seems too early to be the same bloke. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 10 07:37:21 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 12:37:21 +0000 Subject: OFF : Star Wars Special Edition In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Feb 10, 97 09:44:36 am Message-ID: > Sorry to be so OFF, but I saw the Star Wars Remaster at the Big Odeon > Leicester Suare yesterday, Press Preview and The Force is With Me this > morning! Oh, you Baaaaahhhstahd! Rub it in, why don't you! ;) Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 10 08:31:59 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 13:31:59 +0000 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Dec 7, 96 11:19:26 pm Message-ID: > I did sing it and felt it too. If Mirrors came out like disco then it must > have been Werman's fault 'cause we weren't ino it. I suspect _Mirrors_ sounds disco really only in retrospect. I mean, think back on actual disco (if you can stomach even so much) and compare to _Mirrors_ ... they do not equal. Cheers, Carl From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Mon Feb 10 09:01:57 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 14:01:57 GMT Subject: HW: Alien 4 Message-ID: Hi Jon you are probably the only person wh odeosn't like it, since I lvoe the track. 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Wednesdays 21pm-21.30pm Oxygen 107.9 From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Feb 10 09:42:55 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:42:55 +0800 Subject: OFF: Re: More Prog Rock Babble Message-ID: Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > > > >i dont really think this is worth arguing about for the simple reason that > > >i feel all musical labels are useless, > Had to comment here: I agree!! It's just this folx: MUSIC!!!! Labels > are ok-but I use them only to explain a like or dislike and there's many > of both!! > I too agree with this. A label tends to sometimes give peole the wrong impression of the music or whatever. I am particularly tired of having to explain to those with what I would call average musical tastes, that progressive bands like Can, Faust, Amon Duul, etc., DO NOT sound like Pink Floyd, which is what people who listen to Elton John, Billy Joel and so forth, think what progressive music sounds like. William From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Feb 10 09:46:16 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 14:46:16 UT Subject: Alien 4 Message-ID: > blue shit Tim, you really ought to type a bit more slowly! :) - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Feb 10 09:49:39 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:49:39 +0800 Subject: HW-Alien Message-ID: > > BTW am I the only one who doesn't like the Title track to Love In Space? > No, you're not. I don't really like it either (the lyrical part, anyway). It's not really typical HW, 'cos it's a rather bland love song. I do like it when the tempos change in the middle, though. It's possibly the ownly HW song that I would fast forward to the middle bit! William From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Feb 10 10:16:09 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 15:16:09 UT Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: Carl "young Jedi knight" Anderson sez > I suspect _Mirrors_ sounds disco really only in retrospect. I >mean, think back on actual disco (if you can stomach even so much) and >compare to _Mirrors_ ... they do not equal. Well, I always though "Dr Music" sounded like "YMCA", but maybe that's just me. But the real comparison point has to be _Rumours_, which, in spite of disco, punk, and all the other things going on in 1977, was that year's big hit album, and "doing a _Rumours_" was more or less the stated aim. Even the title's pretty much the same! - Andy ObCD: Neil Young - _Landing on Water_ Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Feb 10 11:12:36 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 17:12:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated Message-ID: Hi At 11:34 10.02.97 EST, you wrote: >> AFAIK a guy called BOB HARDING never played with HAWKWIND >> I think it was ROB HEATON >> >Im sure that a copy of hawkfan (8?) has a story of the 83 stonehenge >gig and from memory it was Andy andersons roadie who played. It was in HF10. Only a drummer called ROB is mentioned Bernhard From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 10 10:47:09 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 15:47:09 +0000 Subject: OFF:Music Addictions / bit of Moorcock news In-Reply-To: <199702101138.LAA14647@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <199702101138.LAA14647 at aeolians.bt.co.uk>, bart writes >Then I'd >suggest shifting focus to something cheaper, like beer mats :-) > >cheers, Or comics. But then you'll have the problem of bulging ceilings in the room below! and talking of which, I cut this from rec.arts.comics.misc.. >MICHAEL MOORCOCK'S MULTIVERSE, by Michael Moorcock and various artists. >Twelve issues. Yes, he's really writing it (that may be our ad tag >line). > More details after the contracts are actually signed. :) -- Jon Browne From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Mon Feb 10 06:50:32 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:50:32 -0000 Subject: HW-Alien Message-ID: > Aaah, you'll get used to it. Over the last 15 years I have almost always > been slightly dissappointed with "the new HW album" however a few months > later I love it, play it to death etc. the only memorable exeptions to > the "new HW album" effect were Xenon Codex, Electric Tepee and Captured > Rotation. Every other album has taken time for me to "get it". But I > *do* "get it" :) i think that is probably true...even when they won't admit it,it is human nature to resist change. > BTW am I the only one who doesn't like the Title track to Love In Space? > -- yes,you probably are. ;) but anything is possible in an infinite universe and all that... rj From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Feb 10 12:28:08 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 12:28:08 -0500 Subject: HAWKWIND FANS Message-ID: >Hi All, > I am writing a HW profile for Expose magazine (modest 6 times a year >Have you/do you use drugs? >what kind?: Do you work for the FBI? M From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Feb 10 12:57:04 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 12:57:04 -0500 Subject: HW-Alien In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Feb 10, 97 10:21:31 am Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > > In message , Dane Carlson > writes > >Hi, > > I like damn near every HW album in varying degrees, but I thought Alien > >was awful, really awful. I put the blame mostly on Ron Tree, the singer. I > >just hated that album. Anyone else? Is this the HW we can look forward to? > > > >DAne > Aaah, you'll get used to it. Over the last 15 years I have almost always > been slightly dissappointed with "the new HW album" however a few months > later I love it, play it to death etc. the only memorable exeptions to > the "new HW album" effect were Xenon Codex, Electric Tepee and Captured > Rotation. Every other album has taken time for me to "get it". But I > *do* "get it" :) Heh, when I first bought Xenon Codex (sometime in '89, so it was the newEST Hawkwind album, if not exactly "new"), I detested it so much that I threw it on the floor in the middle of the room, and trod on it for almost a week before picking it up and giving it another listen. Between Danny Thompson's consistently awful THUD-THUD-THUD drumming, and those weird ambling comic(?) tracks like Mutation Zone and Good Evening, I thought it was the *worst album I'd ever heard*. I got over that phase. ;-) These days, of course, Neon Skyline/Lost Chronicles, and Sword of the East are among my favorite tracks (esp Lost Chronicles, which is my pick for their best instrumental, ever). Steve swann at panix.com obFunny: it still plays fine, despite the rough treatment. From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Feb 10 12:59:13 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 12:59:13 -0500 Subject: Boc Fan Wants To Learn In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Feb 10, 97 10:33:29 am Message-ID: In message <199702091831.NAA08601 at listserv.spc.edu>, RJ writes >within a month,this guy had bought >every hw cd in everyone of my friends' catalogs.....it happens like that >sometimes... rj I still get occasional nastygrams from people who had never heard of Hawkwind before joining this list, and now spend half of their annual salary on them... ;-) Steve, mission accomplished swann at panix.com From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Mon Feb 10 12:58:50 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 17:58:50 -0000 Subject: HW-Alien Message-ID: Funny, I went to the gigs and thought the "new" numbers were excellent, bought the album (xenon codex) and thought it was great from the first and I still think that it is excellent. perhaps there is something wrong with me? Mike (not Steve Swann) P I think that it is probably the HLL link up again. ---------- From: Stephen Swann[SMTP:swann at MINDVOX.COM] Sent: 10 February 1997 17:57 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW-Alien Jon Browne writes: > > In message , Dane Carlson > writes > >Hi, > > I like damn near every HW album in varying degrees, but I thought Alien > >was awful, really awful. I put the blame mostly on Ron Tree, the singer. I > >just hated that album. Anyone else? Is this the HW we can look forward to? > > > >DAne > Aaah, you'll get used to it. Over the last 15 years I have almost always > been slightly dissappointed with "the new HW album" however a few months > later I love it, play it to death etc. the only memorable exeptions to > the "new HW album" effect were Xenon Codex, Electric Tepee and Captured > Rotation. Every other album has taken time for me to "get it". But I > *do* "get it" :) Heh, when I first bought Xenon Codex (sometime in '89, so it was the newEST Hawkwind album, if not exactly "new"), I detested it so much that I threw it on the floor in the middle of the room, and trod on it for almost a week before picking it up and giving it another listen. Between Danny Thompson's consistently awful THUD-THUD-THUD drumming, and those weird ambling comic(?) tracks like Mutation Zone and Good Evening, I thought it was the *worst album I'd ever heard*. I got over that phase. ;-) These days, of course, Neon Skyline/Lost Chronicles, and Sword of the East are among my favorite tracks (esp Lost Chronicles, which is my pick for their best instrumental, ever). Steve swann at panix.com obFunny: it still plays fine, despite the rough treatment. From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Feb 10 13:23:51 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 13:23:51 -0500 Subject: Alien 4 In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Feb 10, 97 02:46:16 pm Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > > > blue shit > > Tim, you really ought to type a bit more slowly! :) > > - Andy > You mean, like, "slowly now, with feeling"? ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Feb 10 13:52:39 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:52:39 -0700 Subject: Boc Fan Wants To Learn/Rush fan is now a HW fan too! Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > > In message <199702091831.NAA08601 at listserv.spc.edu>, RJ > > > I still get occasional nastygrams from people who had never heard > of Hawkwind before joining this list, and now spend half > of their annual salary on them... ;-) I do this the easy way-I inflict them upon my customers in the car:) Well, not all the time-but I do get some serious rockers here and there :) Sure makes the job all that more enjoyable. I've had some great comments; i.e. "Hey-very pleasent ride-loved the unes-thank you!! This guy had been accustomed (sp) to hearing either country or "too mellow" classical/ambient(not bad) . He preferred the rock!!! I love to ask folx what kind of tunes they like-But I can get away with alot of different kinds of tunes most of the time!! I've gotten to the point of being able to kinda tell what kind of tunes I can play just by looking at the people. They do surprise me at times, tho. Case in point-the businessman who insisted I turn up the Black Sabbath tape I had currently playing!! Pam > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Subject: Prog. Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:05:58 -0700 Size: 1415 URL: From stayer at PI.NET Mon Feb 10 10:18:31 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:18:31 -0800 Subject: OFF: Rush prog? Message-ID: Guido Vacano wrote: > I am familiar with Rush's entire career (I've seen them on five > consecutive tours, starting with the Permanent Waves Tour in 1980), and I > still think calling them prog rock is baloney, unless you include > Metallica, Megadeth, BOC, Helloween, Celtic Frost and Cirith Ungol in the > same (useless) category. Prog rock refers to a time and a style (i.e., bands > originating in the late sixties to mid seventies, largely keyboard and > synthesizer driven tunes with fantasy genre lyrics). Rush is not prog rock. I hope that the bracketed section is not a "because" for stating you are familiar with Rush's entire career. Permanent Waves (1980) and Moving Pictures (1981) were the last prog rock albums Rush did. Current Rush albums fit the same category as "Metallica [etc.]" a lot better than the genrally considered prog rock albums 2112 up to Moving Pictures. Jerry _________________________________________ "he only sees through honesty and clarity the loss of sanctuary's divinity he's afraid of time" From stayer at PI.NET Mon Feb 10 10:13:36 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:13:36 -0800 Subject: BOC: new album problems Message-ID: Bolle wrote: > The New album is being delayed again due to some unexplained problems from > SPV who apparently went AWOL back in November and so now they're dealing with > some other people through some other people and we're looking at most likely > a June Release or even better The Last Days Of May.... Jerry _________________________________________ "he only sees through honesty and clarity the loss of sanctuary's divinity he's afraid of time" From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Mon Feb 10 15:06:34 1997 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 15:06:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: new album problems Message-ID: >> The New album is being delayed again due to some unexplained problems from >> SPV who apparently went AWOL back in November and so now they're dealing with >> some other people through some other people and we're looking at most likely >> a June Release or even better The Last Days Of May.... Same shit, different day.... From stayer at PI.NET Mon Feb 10 23:59:17 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 20:59:17 -0800 Subject: OFF: Progressive really progressive? Message-ID: dench wrote: > I just think that music is music, > why label something when it can speak for itself? Identification purposes. And why some people put other labels to the same kind of music is the personal differences people like to discuss, which is what we're doing here. Jerry _________________________________________ "he only sees through honesty and clarity the loss of sanctuary's divinity he's afraid of time" From asg at IMAGINET.FR Mon Feb 10 18:32:41 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 00:32:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: Progressive really progressive? Message-ID: Martin (dench) wrote : >What I think I find most amusing about all this sort of thing is the fact >that we seem to have to categorise things (not just music, obviously). I >tend to think that music is music - if you like it it's good, if you don't >it's bad. When you start sticking labels on something, then it loses >something. I can see that some people would embrace KC as a progressive >band, but for me they are just (or were!) a killer band, like many others. >I think, actually, it takes something away from ourselves when we label >ourselves as lovers of a certain type of music. And, to my mind, there is >nothing sadder than someone who only likes a specific type of music - it >would seem that there is not much scope for taste or discretion there. > >But these are only my own opinions on it. I just think that music is >music, why label something when it can speak for itself? As I've said in an earlier post, I agree with this. But I feel I need to reply to this because I was one of those to insist on calling KC a "prog band". The thing is, I don't consider the term "progressive" as a label. What I mean is that it encompasses such a large variety of different styles and influences that I feel more inclined in using it and - obviously - it doesn't bother me as do other labels. And, as Pam said : >It seems that the >"Progressive" label tells me that someone has made the effort to make >their music more complex, therefore more "stuff" to listen to and in my >case, pick apart. How's that for a definition, lil ab ? ;-) Anyway, all this to say that I tend to use the word "prog" a lot, maybe even more then I should, I dunno, but I guess that's because, IMO, prog music breaks all boundaries and goes beyond labels. In fact, maybe that's precisely why it is so hard to define... Once again, I can't help but to compare this with Science-Fiction. In the same fashion, SF goes beyond all labels (it isn't a genre, but rather contains all genres within itself) and is hard to define... no wonder a lot of SF fans like prog as well, and vice-versa ;-) (not to mention the artists themselves, considering most prog lyrics). Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From ianfines at JUNO.COM Mon Feb 10 18:47:55 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 18:47:55 EST Subject: HW: Alien 4 Message-ID: >Up there with golden void, wind of change, blue shit and al these ------------- very interesting way of putting it!! From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Feb 10 19:31:12 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 17:31:12 -0700 Subject: BOC CD delay In-Reply-To: <19970210.185101.12094.1.IanFines@juno.com> Message-ID: BOC Folks; Been lurking lately, but felt that I should comment on this yet additional delay on the release of the new disc; 1. First of all, does anyone have any solid info on what went down with the SPV (SVP?) deal? Things are pretty tight lipped on AOL these days, so we can only speculate on what happened. 2. Furthermore, I think that as long as the disc is out by this summer, then business should be pretty good for the new CD. Since the tour plans with Travers, Foghat, and Steppenwolf are still a "go". BTW, the tour will be called, The Summer Daze Tour 1997!!! Cool, huh? 3. Foghat will have a new product out by the time the tour starts; Foghat Live II. Pat Travers has had new discs of new material for the past 5 yrs ( 5 cds in 5 yrs!!), and Steppenwolf has a greatest hits/live package out (or soon to be out). This leaves us with BOC. What if they have no new product to promote? Will it matter? My guess is that it will not impact ticket sales, but a new cd will certainly not hurt their cause. 4. I believe that perhaps 1997 will be a make or break year for BOC. I wish them the best. I hope the disc comes out, sells well, and the tour pulls in the fans. This is their 25th Anniversary!! I, however, am realistic that patterns of the past may sabotage their own cause once again. God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Feb 10 22:45:25 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:45:25 +1000 Subject: HW: Codex & Discography booklet Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi All, I'm just wondering what the general consensus is on the how much folk would pay for a bound copy of the Hawkwind Codex and Discography. The problem is the trimming and binding. I've spoken to a few printers, and they;ll all do it relatively cheaply, but they also all charge a flat set-up fee. That means that if I only get say 5 made at a time, the total cost is a little over $A10 (that's about $8 USD or 4.60 pounds sterling). I can't really afford to fork out the extra to get more than that printed and bound at one time. So I have two options: 1) Offer it at say $A12 (plus postage) 2) Offer it for a little under $A1, but wait until I have enough paid orders before producing them (which could result in significant delays) What does everyone think? Mail me privately if you like to discuss it. Paul -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: cp850 iQCVAwUBMv/rUDS2ZBVHipSpAQHOsAP+PMIA0p8KfNlpRmE4mjrfJbBO0jzDmhEH ryL+rT1hES9VUQL4U+wITPhJhC/Pu+jYcMMSfgEsku2cyDYEHSYQ3GtV0NU8Ybsm aU+R5yUQ4IPIk04eKTf1WYyDnQqGk1md8PGQ22lwjZUxCoFYejiniDNDZCWfIubK BVaBb601Byc= =a2Q4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Mon Feb 10 22:41:25 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:41:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex, Alien 4 etc. Message-ID: I've been kind of surprised reading the mixed bag of reactions to some of the Hawkwind albums we've been talking about lately. When I bought Xenon Codex, from the very first listen of the first song, I thought, "This is brilliant. Hawkwind is a band you can rely on". I liked the album a lot and saw it as clear evidence that the Hawks were not decaying like so many other bands. As for It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous, I immediately liked that album as well. My only reservations are about some of the stuff on the second half of the CD. It seems as though the boys ran out of material and so reworked some old tunes and included Gimme Shelter (from that benefit single that came out). I'd much prefer completely new material rather than reworkings of old tunes, but hey, the CD was so lengthy that they basically gave us an entire album of new stuff plus an entire album of reworked stuff. I kind of like that ambient/tribal instrumental stuff--I think it fits the band just dandy. Good for variety too. Alien 4 I had a mixed reaction to. I instantly loved "Alien I Am", but "Beam Me Up" with Ron's voice and all is just not much fun. I know a lot of people have said they like Xenomorph, but I honestly think it's one of the Hawkwind's worst songs. And as for Festivals.... well, I think it would be more at home on a Brock solo album than on Alien 4. And again we have the reworked Death Trap etc., and although I like them a lot, I'd still prefer new material. Still, Hawkwind are one of the most consistently brilliant bands ever. I think it takes a lot of guts and creativity to keep mutating the dimensions of the band's sound. Like most aging rockers, they could just get stuck in a rut and do the same sound forever, but I'm so so happy that the Hawks work hard to sound fresh all the time. It's always different, yet still somehow recognizably Hawkwind. God Bless The Hawks! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org PS: The Love in Space video is a lot more fun than the CD! OB: Pale Saints: In Ribbons From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Feb 10 22:53:16 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:53:16 -0600 Subject: HW: I'm leaving temporarily... Message-ID: I'm afraid my mailbox has been getting WAAAAAY too full lately. Seeing as this is my last semester here, I also need to concentrate more on schoolwork. Anyway, I'll be keeping updated via www.hawkwind.com, so when things get interesting, I hope to be back on. bye bye, Damon From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Feb 10 23:37:13 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 23:37:13 -0500 Subject: OFF : Star Wars Special Edition Message-ID: >Sorry to be so OFF, but I saw the Star Wars Remaster at the Big Odeon >Leicester Suare yesterday, Press Preview and The Force is With Me this >morning! (it's not out for a month in the UK, although you guys must be >getting sick of it by now!) > > >Brilliant!!!!! Nah, that's not rubbing it in. Mentioning last week's "Into the Fire" on Babylon 5 on the other hand.... Suffice it to say I have never seen this many space ships on any screen, ever. ***** =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Feb 10 23:38:20 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 23:38:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Codex & Discography booklet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, Paul G Ward wrote: > I'm just wondering what the general consensus is on the how much folk would pay > for a bound copy of the Hawkwind Codex and Discography. The problem is the > trimming and binding. I've spoken to a few printers, and they;ll all do it > relatively cheaply, but they also all charge a flat set-up fee. That means that > if I only get say 5 made at a time, the total cost is a little over $A10 (that's > about $8 USD or 4.60 pounds sterling). I can't really afford to fork out the > extra to get more than that printed and bound at one time. > > So I have two options: > > 1) Offer it at say $A12 (plus postage) > 2) Offer it for a little under $A1, but wait until I have enough paid orders > before producing them (which could result in significant delays) > > What does everyone think? Personally, I think the Hawkwind Discography and Codex change so rapidly (what with new compilations and releases coming out all the time), I see little point in having a printed copy. I have a hard enough time keeping my electronic version up to date, so I don't think I'd stand any chance with a paper one (if it were in a loose leaf binder I might have a chance). My feeling is that it would probably be out of date by the time you shipped it. IMHO. Sorry to appear to sound so negative, but I thought I'd just mention those issues for consideration. Declared bias: I am a digital libraries researcher, so I tend to shy away from paper anyway. ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sun Dial, _Return Journey_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Feb 11 00:34:13 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 06:34:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Codex & Discography booklet Message-ID: >Hi All, > >I'm just wondering what the general consensus is on the how much folk would pay >for a bound copy of the Hawkwind Codex and Discography. The problem is the >trimming and binding. I've spoken to a few printers, and they;ll all do it >relatively cheaply, but they also all charge a flat set-up fee. That means that >if I only get say 5 made at a time, the total cost is a little over $A10 (that's >about $8 USD or 4.60 pounds sterling). I can't really afford to fork out the >extra to get more than that printed and bound at one time. > >So I have two options: > >1) Offer it at say $A12 (plus postage) >2) Offer it for a little under $A1, but wait until I have enough paid orders >before producing them (which could result in significant delays) > >What does everyone think? > >Mail me privately if you like to discuss it. > >Paul I want of course a copy, and don't care of the costs - as I am a very rich man. (or a rabid collector...) \\joe From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Tue Feb 11 03:49:06 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:49:06 -0000 Subject: OFF:Breakfast Message-ID: The Doktor's recommendation: What did you have for breakfast today? It is now a well accepted fact that breakfast is the most important meal and sets the body up for the rest of the day. After having partaken myself of the breakfast trolley today, sampled a few delights, I recommend the following: 1 large portion of Astro Cortex followed by a sizable helping of Yog-Bar-Og. 100 percent wholesome ingredients leaving me alert and fresh for the challenges ahead. had the drive been longer to work I would have had time for a spoonful or two of Arborescence but you know what they say. Little and often! Michael Parkington Supplier Liaison Manager Email: mikep at uunet.pipex.com From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Feb 11 05:24:28 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 02:24:28 -0800 Subject: OFF: Progressive really progressive? Message-ID: >>I would not burden KC with the label 'progressive'. Indeed, their >>music in the days of the classic Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Cross line-up >>could be better defined as 'mercurial'. And if anyone has sampled >>the delights of the 'Great Deceiver' box set, they would perhaps >>realise they should be fitted either into the free-jazz category or >>psychedelic, on the basis of much of their live performances being >>improvisational - not something that I have ever witnessed to any >>great extent from the so-called 'progressive' bands. In fact, they >>always seemed rather too structured for my liking. > >Ooohh... I don't agree. Yes has been known to improvise a lot. In >fact, "Tales from topographic oceans" sounds a lot like an improvised >album to me. Although it probably isn't. And I know other prog bands >are pretty good at improvising too. I mean, hey, when a band is so >good at structuring their music they can't be bad at improvising. You >attain a certain skill level where you can hardly go wrong. I can't >imagine Steve Howe or Kerry Livgren (for instance) not being able to >improvise. C'mon, let's be serious for a minute ! ;-) > And just for the record, King Crimson IS a progressive band, at >least in my personal little universe. Just as are Jethro Tull, ELP, >Camel (to some extent), etc... > OK guys, you got me going again - it's impossible to detach KC from the whole progressive thing, but they definitely transcended it, and their whole development from 'Larks Tongues' to the end of that era is a lot more in line with "free-jazz" developments, although the terms "jazz" & "free-jazz" are even more contentious than "progressive". The big difference between KC and most of the other bands of the period is that the improvisation is "collective", rather than it being a supreme instrumentalist strutting his or her stuff over the changes. (BTW who is Kerry Livgren?). Observation: Anyone who really likes the unleashed King Crimson (another title Mr. Fripp?) should check out Shannon Jackson (with or without the Decoding Society) & Ornette Coleman's Prime Time (or Song X with Pat Metheny - even PM rocks on this one) even though it means going to the "jazz" section of the record-store. SJs 'Red Warrior' is a plank-spankers delight! Cheers, ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" -R.E.M. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Feb 11 07:33:13 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:33:13 GMT Subject: HW-Alien Message-ID: Steve said: >These days, of course, Neon Skyline/Lost Chronicles, and Sword of >the East are among my favorite tracks (esp Lost Chronicles, which is >my pick for their best instrumental, ever). Hi I really like Lost Chronicles to. I came across on the ACid Daze 87 concert bootleg I got and then found it on the Chaos video. However I havn't managed to hear the album jet. Lost Chronicals reminds me of wind of change, intro to golden void (1994 cambrige concert I have) and all those songs whihc I really like. I also really like Havry Bainbridge on the Cahos video aand Night of the hawk video during Lost Chronicas and wind of change. Looks really like he's enjoying himself nad geting into the music. Timothy Fintan Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com "Any nosie is music, wether you like it or not is another matter!" (Timmy) *************************************************************************** *Oxygen 107.9 - starst 14th feb. Palying all best music and talk to OXFORD* *************************************************************************** * Since most other music radio is rubbish I recommend people tune to (UK) * * TALK RADIO 1053/1089AM. Recommended is Tommy boyud and James Whale. All * * are phone in shows with the public doing the talking as well as gusts * *************************************************************************** From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Feb 11 07:38:24 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:38:24 GMT Subject: I'd like to aplogise Message-ID: Sorry for putting blue sh*t I accderdently missed the f out. I'll try and be more careful next time becasue that song is defferly not sh*t. Timothy Fintan Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com "Any nosie is music, wether you like it or not is another matter!" (Timmy) *************************************************************************** *Oxygen 107.9 - starst 14th feb. Palying all best music and talk to OXFORD* *************************************************************************** * Since most other music radio is rubbish I recommend people tune to (UK) * * TALK RADIO 1053/1089AM. Recommended is Tommy boyud and James Whale. All * * are phone in shows with the public doing the talking as well as gusts * *************************************************************************** From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Feb 11 07:44:47 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:44:47 +0000 Subject: I'd like to aplogise In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:38:24 GMT." <199702111238.MAA21525@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Sorry for putting blue sh*t I accderdently missed the f out. I'll try and be > more careful next time becasue that song is defferly not sh*t. ^^^^^^^^ > Timothy Fintan Langner > 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk > timlang at hotmail.com > > "Any nosie is music, wether you like it or not is another matter!" (Timmy) ^^^^^ > *************************************************************************** > *Oxygen 107.9 - starst 14th feb. Palying all best music and talk to OXFORD* ^^^^^^^ > *************************************************************************** > * Since most other music radio is rubbish I recommend people tune to (UK) * > * TALK RADIO 1053/1089AM. Recommended is Tommy boyud and James Whale. All * > * are phone in shows with the public doing the talking as well as gusts * ^^^^^ You're elevating this speed-typing to an art form aren't you ! :) Tim (the other one) From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Tue Feb 11 08:21:28 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 00:21:28 +1100 Subject: I'd like to aplogise In-Reply-To: <199702111244.MAA29669@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, bart wrote: > > Sorry for putting blue sh*t I accderdently missed the f out. I'll try and be > > more careful next time becasue that song is defferly not sh*t. > ^^^^^^^^ > > > Timothy Fintan Langner > > 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk > > timlang at hotmail.com > > > > "Any nosie is music, wether you like it or not is another matter!" (Timmy) > ^^^^^ > > > *************************************************************************** > > *Oxygen 107.9 - starst 14th feb. Palying all best music and talk to OXFORD* > ^^^^^^^ > > > *************************************************************************** > > * Since most other music radio is rubbish I recommend people tune to (UK) * > > * TALK RADIO 1053/1089AM. Recommended is Tommy boyud and James Whale. All * > > * are phone in shows with the public doing the talking as well as gusts * > ^^^^^ > > You're elevating this speed-typing to an art form aren't you ! :) > > > Tim > > (the other one) > Well, I bet you checked this one several times before you sent it! A mistake would have been hilarious, though! You missed the mistake on the subject header, though. Troy From tully at LINELNT1.LIGHT.GE.COM Tue Feb 11 08:36:46 1997 From: tully at LINELNT1.LIGHT.GE.COM (Tully, Thomas (GEL,MSX)) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:36:46 -0500 Subject: I'd like to aplogise Message-ID: Tim, Use your spell check next time to eliminate further embarrassment on your part. A course in elementary English might help also. Tom >---------- >From: Troy Harris[SMTP:tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU] >Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 1997 8:21 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: I'd like to aplogise > >On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, bart wrote: > >> > Sorry for putting blue sh*t I accderdently missed the f out. I'll try and >>be >> > more careful next time becasue that song is defferly not sh*t. >> ^^^^^^^^ >> >> > Timothy Fintan Langner >> > 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk >> > timlang at hotmail.com >> > >> > "Any nosie is music, wether you like it or not is another matter!" >>(Timmy) >> ^^^^^ >> >> > >>*************************************************************************** >> > *Oxygen 107.9 - starst 14th feb. Palying all best music and talk to >>OXFORD* >> ^^^^^^^ >> >> > >>*************************************************************************** >> > * Since most other music radio is rubbish I recommend people tune to (UK) >>* >> > * TALK RADIO 1053/1089AM. Recommended is Tommy boyud and James Whale. All >>* >> > * are phone in shows with the public doing the talking as well as gusts >>* >> ^^^^^ >> >> You're elevating this speed-typing to an art form aren't you ! :) >> >> >> Tim >> >> (the other one) >> > Well, I bet you checked this one several times before you sent it! A >mistake would have been hilarious, though! > You missed the mistake on the subject header, though. > > Troy > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 11 10:04:49 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:04:49 +0000 Subject: OFF: UK Doom Bands Message-ID: One of my friends has recently put up a web site for Rise Above Records, a little London based label that specialises in doom metal bands. I've heard some of them, and there's some pretty good stuff there. Anyway, I promised Dave I would spread his web page about, so here it is: http://www.tyler.demon.co.uk/riseabove/index.html I'm not affiliated with the label, standard disclaimer, etc. etc. :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Feb 11 11:38:36 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 00:38:36 +0800 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex, Alien 4 etc. Message-ID: John Majka wrote: > > I've been kind of surprised reading the mixed bag of reactions to some of > the Hawkwind albums we've been talking about lately. When I bought Xenon > Codex, from the very first listen of the first song, I thought, "This is > brilliant. Hawkwind is a band you can rely on". I liked the album a lot > and saw it as clear evidence that the Hawks were not decaying like so many > other bands. As for It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous, I > immediately liked that album as well. My only reservations are about some > of the stuff on the second half of the CD. It seems as though the boys ran > out of material and so reworked some old tunes and included Gimme Shelter > (from that benefit single that came out). I'd much prefer completely new > material rather than reworkings of old tunes, but hey, the CD was so lengthy > that they basically gave us an entire album of new stuff plus an entire > album of reworked stuff. I kind of like that ambient/tribal instrumental > stuff--I think it fits the band just dandy. Good for variety too. Alien 4 > I had a mixed reaction to. I instantly loved "Alien I Am", but "Beam Me Up" > with Ron's voice and all is just not much fun. I know a lot of people have > said they like Xenomorph, but I honestly think it's one of the Hawkwind's > worst songs. And as for Festivals.... well, I think it would be more at > home on a Brock solo album than on Alien 4. And again we have the reworked > Death Trap etc., and although I like them a lot, I'd still prefer new > material. Still, Hawkwind are one of the most consistently brilliant bands > ever. I think it takes a lot of guts and creativity to keep mutating the > dimensions of the band's sound. Like most aging rockers, they could just > get stuck in a rut and do the same sound forever, but I'm so so happy that > the Hawks work hard to sound fresh all the time. It's always different, yet > still somehow recognizably Hawkwind. God Bless The Hawks! > I tend to agree with this mode of thinking. I have liked all the HW albums due to their differences to the previous ones. I might have the same thoughts on "Alien 4". I agree with John's views of the songs, although I wouldn't say Xenomorph was a bad song. It's just not one you would really think of if you were compiling a collection of classic songs. I also rather liked "It is the Business..." for the same reasons. I even liked "White Zone". About the only albums that are low on my list, are things like "Text of Festival" & "Bring me the Head of Uri Gagarin", but that's more for the sound quality than anything else. Those albums would be perfect choices to remaster if there was decent recordings of them around. William From asg at IMAGINET.FR Tue Feb 11 11:42:21 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:42:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: Progressive really progressive? Message-ID: Chris Warburton asks : >(BTW who is Kerry Livgren?). One of the founders & leaders (along with Steve Walsh) of Kansas, one of my (other) favorite bands... ;-) Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From asg at IMAGINET.FR Tue Feb 11 11:42:24 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:42:24 +0100 Subject: I'd like to aplogise Message-ID: Tom said : >Tim, Use your spell check next time to eliminate further embarrassment >on your part. A course in elementary English might help also. *LOL* Give the guy a break, for Heaven's sake ! He won't dare post another message if you keep this up ;-) Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Feb 11 12:03:32 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:03:32 -0800 Subject: BOC: NAME THAT NAME Message-ID: rj wrote: >budweiser is not a beer in the same but opposite way that a stout is >not a beer. unless it's Budweiser Budvar from the Czech Republic. Down with Anheuser-Busch, down with U.S. cultural imperialism *ducks before hail of missiles & flames* 8^{)> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" -R.E.M. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Tue Feb 11 12:49:07 1997 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:49:07 GMT Subject: HW: Codex & Discography booklet Message-ID: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion L,BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU,Internet writes: Personally, I think the Hawkwind Discography and Codex change so rapidly (what with new compilations and releases coming out all the time), I see little point in having a printed copy. I have a hard enough time keeping my electronic version up to date, so I don't think I'd stand any chance with a paper one (if it were in a loose leaf binder I might have a chance). My feeling is that it would probably be out of date by the time you shipped it. IMHO. Sorry to appear to sound so negative, but I thought I'd just mention those issues for consideration. Declared bias: I am a digital libraries researcher, so I tend to shy away from paper anyway. ;-) I agree too, I'd prefer to pay for a database version (files in dbf format) of the Codex, and then update it freely when needed, and finally print the last version, a kind of shareware codex; what do you think about it ? Olivier From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Feb 11 12:14:50 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:14:50 -0700 Subject: OFF:Breakfast Message-ID: Mike Parkington wrote: > > The Doktor's recommendation: > > What did you have for breakfast today? It is now a well accepted fact that > breakfast is the most important meal and sets the body up for the rest of > the day. After having partaken myself of the breakfast trolley today, > sampled a few delights, I recommend the following: > > 1 large portion of Astro Cortex followed by a sizable helping of > Yog-Bar-Og. Who's this?? I am having 1 serving of Klaus Schulze, served loud and 4 cups of coffee!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Some recent additions to the Golden Void page: I put the video page (I Am the Eye that Looks Within), but all it contains right now is a reformatted version of Bernhard's list. I also added the misc. page (You'd Better Believe It), with The Psalm of Life, a list of songs from Time of the Hawklords, an overview of orgone and Reich (attribution unknown - please let me know if you know who wrote it), and the Kadu Flyer address. The main page is at: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/ Frank ObCD: Chris Duarte Group - Texas Sugar / Strat Magik ObConcert: Chris Duarte Group on 2/7/97 (completely brilliant set!) -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 668 - The Neighbor of the Beast. From asg at IMAGINET.FR Tue Feb 11 12:24:58 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:24:58 +0100 Subject: OFF:Breakfast Message-ID: Pam wrote : >Mike Parkington wrote: >> >> The Doktor's recommendation: >> >> What did you have for breakfast today? >> (snip) > >I am having 1 serving of Klaus Schulze, served loud and 4 cups of >coffee!! And I'm currently on a Rainbow diet *grin* Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Feb 11 13:13:27 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:13:27 -0500 Subject: HW: New Golden Void pages In-Reply-To: <9702111118.ZM16805@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, Frank Weil wrote: > I also added the misc. page (You'd Better Believe It), with The Psalm > of Life, a list of songs from Time of the Hawklords, an overview of > orgone and Reich (attribution unknown - please let me know if you know > who wrote it), and the Kadu Flyer address. Although I probably shouldn't be admitting this, I wrote that piece on Reich and orgone (it was a "quick post" to BOC-L years ago, and doesn't it show). I'd recently read Colin Wilson's biography on Reich (title forgotten; perhaps someone could look it up) when I wrote it, so I guess that most of the info in there is flavoured by that tome. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sun Dial, _Return Journey_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Tue Feb 11 11:59:19 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:59:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: Progressive really progressive? In-Reply-To: <199702111024.CAA03469@f4.hotmail.com> from "Chris Warburton" at Feb 11, 97 02:24:28 am Message-ID: Chris Warburton says-- > OK guys, you got me going again - it's impossible to detach KC from the whole > progressive thing, Yes, the albums up to Larks' Tongues would qualify, IMHO, as prog rock. > but they definitely transcended it, and their whole > development from 'Larks Tongues' to the end of that era is a lot more in line > with "free-jazz" developments, although the terms "jazz" & "free-jazz" are even > more contentious than "progressive". "Free-rock" maybe? What makes KC's music so interesting, I think, is the tension between the structure of composition, and the freedom of improvisation. They knew how to blend the two perfectly. ThrakAttak is a good example of "free-rock". > The big difference between KC and most of > the other bands of the period is that the improvisation is "collective", rather > than it being a supreme instrumentalist strutting his or her stuff over the > changes. I heartily agree. > (BTW who is Kerry Livgren?). He is (or was) a member of Kansas. I don't remember what he plays. > Observation: Anyone who really likes the > unleashed King Crimson (another title Mr. Fripp?) should check out Shannon > Jackson (with or without the Decoding Society) & Ornette Coleman's Prime Time > (or Song X with Pat Metheny - even PM rocks on this one) even though it means > going to the "jazz" section of the record-store. SJs 'Red Warrior' is a > plank-spankers delight! I'll keep those in mind. In turn, I highly recommend John Zorn's Masada series. What's a plank-spanker? :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Feb 11 13:27:49 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:27:49 +0100 Subject: HW: HAWKWIND tapes Message-ID: Hi folks Here is a list of all known HAWKWIND live-tapes Again attached (MIME coded) as a zipped DOC-file Hope it is usefull for you cheers Bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: HW__TAPES.ZIP Type: application/octet-stream Size: 22709 bytes Desc: not available URL: From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Feb 11 14:02:31 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:02:31 -0500 Subject: HW: HAWKWIND tapes Message-ID: >Again attached (MIME coded) as a zipped DOC-file > >Hope it is usefull for you Nope, sorry. Hundreds of lines of garbled letters is of no use at all to me (as I have said before) Martyn From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 11 05:51:13 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:51:13 +0000 Subject: OFF:Breakfast In-Reply-To: <01BC17F8.71773FA0@agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com> Message-ID: Well, I had some "Nuggets from the Golden State" (not to be confused with "Golden Nuggets" a 70's breakfast cereal from Nabisco, featuring loveable cartoon character, Klondike Pete), No, my breakfast had Nuggets from Country Joe and The Fish and and excellent Psych outfit Fruimous Bandersnatch, who actually achieve the what-is-that-noise-in-the-other- room-oh-its-only-that-psyche-record effect. A bit like when you go to answer the phone and it's on the record you're listening to. -- Jon Browne From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Feb 11 14:54:15 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:54:15 GMT Subject: I'd like to aplogise Message-ID: >Tim, Use your spell check next time to eliminate further embarrassment >on your part. A course in elementary English might help also. >Tom Hi I don't get embrassed since I'm dyslexic so what's the point. But I know I should use a spell checker, and hopeful will start doing that (wehn I remeber) Timothy Fintan Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com "Any nosie is music, wether you like it or not is another matter!" (Timmy) *************************************************************************** *Oxygen 107.9 - starst 14th feb. Palying all best music and talk to OXFORD* *************************************************************************** * Since most other music radio is rubbish I recommend people tune to (UK) * * TALK RADIO 1053/1089AM. Recommended is Tommy boyud and James Whale. All * * are phone in shows with the public doing the talking as well as gusts * *************************************************************************** From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Feb 11 14:59:20 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:59:20 GMT Subject: HW The Business Trip Message-ID: Hi I went in my oxford public library today and pick up a copy of the business trip on CD for just 3.00pounds. Apart from a slightly dog eared booklet (at the back), it was fine. They only got it in last august and it had been hired 4 times but they have so many CDs etc. they have sell off their stock. Great buy. I may have it on tape but the tape fades out at end of side 1. And can any one tell me anything about the album edition. Was the extra track a retitled old out or something totally new (can't remember it's title but it appeared at the end). Has any one tried to put together a list of possible songs that could have been played at gigs where they don't have tapes or reviews? Timothy Fintan Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com "Any nosie is music, wether you like it or not is another matter!" (Timmy) *************************************************************************** *Oxygen 107.9 - starst 14th feb. Palying all best music and talk to OXFORD* *************************************************************************** * Since most other music radio is rubbish I recommend people tune to (UK) * * TALK RADIO 1053/1089AM. Recommended is Tommy boyud and James Whale. All * * are phone in shows with the public doing the talking as well as gusts * *************************************************************************** From asg at IMAGINET.FR Tue Feb 11 15:01:07 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:01:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: Progressive really progressive? Message-ID: >> (BTW who is Kerry Livgren?). > >He is (or was) a member of Kansas. I don't remember what he plays. And you don't remember for a very good reason : he used to play of practically every instrument. He was, I think, the main creative element in the band (not unlike Al in BOC ;-) and Kansas wasn't quite Kansas anymore after he left... On "Masque" (one of their best albums), for instance, Kerry Livgren is credited for all of the following : Lead and rhythm guitar, acoustic guitar, piano, clavinet, moog and ARP synthesizers. In addition to all this, he was also the main composer & lyricist (along with Steve Walsh) of the band and wrote some of their best songs. OTOH, I don't think he ever sang any Kansas song... not to my knowledge, anyway, but I may be wrong on this one. Anything's possible with Livgren ;-) Jerry might know - I know he's a Kansas fan too ;-) BTW, he's also released a number of solo albums and has become a Christian some years ago. Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From asg at IMAGINET.FR Tue Feb 11 15:01:09 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:01:09 +0100 Subject: HW: HAWKWIND tapes Message-ID: >Here is a list of all known HAWKWIND live-tapes > >Again attached (MIME coded) as a zipped DOC-file > >Hope it is usefull for you You should avoid sending stuff like this to the list. I personally don't care, but some other subscribers have a hard time downloading such files and it can cost them a lot of money, in some cases. I think you should rather post a message first to ask who is interested and then send those who answered a copy of the file. Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Feb 11 15:25:22 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:25:22 GMT Subject: HW: Xenon Codex, Alien 4 etc. Message-ID: William said: >although I wouldn't say Xenomorph was a bad song. It's just not one you would > really think of if you were compiling a collection of classicsongs. >I also rather liked "It is the Business..." for the same reasons. I even >liked "White Zone". About the only albums that are low on my list, are things >like "Text of Festival" & "Bring me the Head of Uri Gagarin", but that's more >for the sound quality than anything else. Those albums would be perfect >choices to remaster if there was decent recordings of them around. Hi I'd put Xenomorph on a classicsongs collection. I just loved the way it starts (even better on the live vdieo with Ron talking at start). I also love the keybroad bit inthe middle but don't like it when ron tlaks over it live. Good but I also like to hear the keyboards alone There again I do like Status quo and bands like that so they probably influence my ideas. However having said that, there are so many other songs it probably wouldn't future but I would put it on more than others like Wastelands. I also like In the brining (part one of text of festival). Masters of the universe is very good espally the talking in the middle. However I shouldn't do that has much saxophone in one tone. OH and Hurry on asundown is good to. AS for Bring me the..... It has a great version of urban gorilla, intro is good. But the sound quality is awful. The only good thing about Urban gorilla is the layout of it and Bob calvert holding on the notes at one point (expect i sounds awful but would have been good). As for sonic attack, I can't fault it since it sounds similar to the original 72 version. But the sound quality is bad. Does It's the business of the future.... CD contain the same tracks as the record? Just john said something about part 2. I personally like every song on that album on it';s own but collectively there's to much of the instrumental and it get boring after hearing it all. (it also took a live bootleg to get me to like Space is their (Palestine)). I certainly like hawkwind doing old songs again, shame other bands don't do it. But what I find hard to work out is, how do they decided what tunes to redo on the album and what to redo live on the same tour? I'd love it if they redid shouldn't do that is Nik turner as gust and then him and Ron could sing it between them. I really like Ron vocals and loved the studio version of Am I losing my mind espect for the very end where he made an awful noise. If they had left his voice out there. It would have be very good. Timothy Fintan Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com "Any nosie is music, wether you like it or not is another matter!" (Timmy) *************************************************************************** *Oxygen 107.9 - starst 14th feb. Palying all best music and talk to OXFORD* *************************************************************************** * Since most other music radio is rubbish I recommend people tune to (UK) * * TALK RADIO 1053/1089AM. Recommended is Tommy boyud and James Whale. All * * are phone in shows with the public doing the talking as well as gusts * *************************************************************************** From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Feb 11 15:27:06 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:27:06 -0500 Subject: HW The Business Trip Message-ID: >Hi > >I went in my oxford public library today and pick up a copy of the business >trip on CD for just 3.00pounds. Apart from a slightly dog eared booklet (at Is this the library that is next to Selfridges, about 100 yards west of carfax, not far from St Peter's college? If so I have a book out from there that is 15 years overdue! Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Feb 11 15:29:17 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:29:17 -0500 Subject: HW: HAWKWIND tapes Message-ID: >You should avoid sending stuff like this to the list. I personally don't >care, but some other subscribers have a hard time downloading such files and >it can cost them a lot of money, in some cases. I think you should rather >post a message first to ask who is interested and then send those who >answered a copy of the file. > > > >Alex S. Garcia. Hear, Hear! Especially as it is also available by FTP and WWW Martyn From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Feb 11 15:42:33 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:42:33 -0700 Subject: OFF:Breakfast Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > >. A bit like when you go to > answer the phone and it's on the record you're listening to. I have done this so many times-theres a couple of cd's that have a sound effect that I could swear that my cell (business) phone is ringing!! Drives me nutz(more so than normal!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace from "langner timothy" at Feb 11, 97 07:54:15 pm Message-ID: > I don't get embrassed since I'm dyslexic so what's the point. Sorry to hear that. > But I know > I should use a spell checker, and hopeful will start doing that (wehn I > remeber) You might wish to start with your signature file. There are some doozies in there. :-) > "Any nosie is music, wether you like it or not is another matter!" (Timmy) > *************************************************************************** > *Oxygen 107.9 - starst 14th feb. Palying all best music and talk to OXFORD* > *************************************************************************** > * Since most other music radio is rubbish I recommend people tune to (UK) * > * TALK RADIO 1053/1089AM. Recommended is Tommy boyud and James Whale. All * > * are phone in shows with the public doing the talking as well as gusts * > *************************************************************************** -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Feb 11 17:23:47 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:23:47 PST Subject: OFF: Kerry Livgren In-Reply-To: <199702112001.VAA03107@imaginet.fr>; from "Alex S. Garcia" at Feb 11, 97 9:01 pm Message-ID: > > >> (BTW who is Kerry Livgren?). > > > >He is (or was) a member of Kansas. I don't remember what he plays. > Was is correct... > And you don't remember for a very good reason : he used to play of > practically every instrument. He was, I think, the main creative element in > the band (not unlike Al in BOC ;-) and Kansas wasn't quite Kansas anymore > after he left... > Well, IMHO, they started the slide to mediocrity with the POINT OF KNOW RETURN release, which was when Livgren was still with 'em... > On "Masque" (one of their best albums), for instance, Kerry Livgren is > credited for all of the following : > > Lead and rhythm guitar, acoustic guitar, piano, clavinet, moog and ARP > synthesizers. > > In addition to all this, he was also the main composer & lyricist (along > with Steve Walsh) of the band and wrote some of their best songs. OTOH, I > don't think he ever sang any Kansas song... not to my knowledge, anyway, but > I may be wrong on this one. Anything's possible with Livgren ;-) Jerry might > know - I know he's a Kansas fan too ;-) > BTW, he's also released a number of solo albums and has become a > Christian some years ago. He was a Christian for _years_, even in the early days of Kansas (go back and listen to the lyrics. _HEAVY_ religious themes...although the band indicates that they weren't "preaching" back then...) After leaving Kansas, Livgren formed the Christian rock band A.D. (with one Ronnie James Dio guesting on vocals on one or two tracks!!!) He released a solo instrumental work in the early '90's called ONE OF SEVERAL POSSIBLE MUSIKS, which is a very nice, if somewhat mellow (not quite New Age, but close...). He took a hiatus from recording due to loss of hearing (I don't think it was permanent, but here is a perfect example of why you should PROTECT YOUR HEARING (sorry for shouting, just wanted to get it across to those of you who can't hear well...). He released a CD last year (instrumental, I think) titled something like WHEN ECLECTIC BECOMES ELECTRIC, which bodes well for some dynamic playing. Haven't heard it, so don't know for sure...If you want to check out his post-Kansas work, try his double CD DECADE, which has the RJDio cuts, along with a track or two from OoSPM. I think he lives around the greater Atlanta area, although I've never run into him at the local Waffle House...:-) SONG FOR AMERICA would have to be one of my Desert Island disks, having seen that (or was it the LEFTOVERTURE?) tour... > > > > Alex S. Garcia. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ > Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF > http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Feb 11 17:40:13 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:40:13 PST Subject: BOC:Beer Wars!!! In-Reply-To: <199702111703.JAA23395@f5.hotmail.com>; from "Chris Warburton" at Feb 11, 97 9:03 am Message-ID: > > rj wrote: > >budweiser is not a beer in the same but opposite way that a stout is >not a > beer. > > unless it's Budweiser Budvar from the Czech Republic. Down with > Anheuser-Busch, down with U.S. cultural imperialism *ducks before hail of > missiles & flames* 8^{)> > Naaa, we're just gonna lob a couple of cases of old stale Schlitz in yer general direction. Feel free to retaliate, say, with a case or twenty of Bass or Guiness or Tadcaster porter... The only Budvar that I ever drank was 11 years old (I thought the dating on the side was a misprint; surely there wasn't such a thing as "dated" beer in 1984!!!) and it was better than a fresh Bud... Craig > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" > -R.E.M. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > My Home page: > > http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > --------------------------------------------------------- > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From asg at IMAGINET.FR Tue Feb 11 18:49:46 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 00:49:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Kerry Livgren Message-ID: >He was a Christian for _years_, even in the early days of Kansas Hmm... I have my doubts about this. I remember an interview of Livgren I heard on the radio a few years ago while I was in the States, and I seem to recall him (or was it the interviewer ?) saying that he had left the band because he had become Christian (which seems to indicate that it both happened about at the same time). >(go back and >listen to the lyrics. _HEAVY_ religious themes...although the band indicates >that they weren't "preaching" back then...) I dunno. I know most of their lyrics and I never really noted any religious themes. Or when there was (like in "Miracles out of nowhere") you really couldn't be sure whether it was pro- or anti-... You have any specific song in mind ? >After leaving Kansas, Livgren >formed the Christian rock band A.D. (with one Ronnie James Dio guesting on >vocals on one or two tracks!!!) I knew about A. D. but not about Dio... interesting. I'll have to get hold of those tracks... >SONG FOR AMERICA would have to be one of my Desert Island disks, having seen >that (or was it the LEFTOVERTURE?) tour... "Song for America" was their first LP (at least their first released - the self titled album, which was recorded a year before, only came out in 77) and remains to date one of their best, along with "Leftoverture" (perhaps my favorite :-), "Masque", "Kansas" and... uh... "Point of know return". Well yeah, I agree the band kind of went downhill after that album, but I still like that one a lot. Maybe not as much as the four previous, but it still contains several tracks I find really awesome. BTW, the last album to date ("Freaks of nature", released last year) is not half bad. It even contains one song written by Livgren (although he has NOT reunited with the band). "In the spirit of things" was pretty good too, IMHO. Alex S. 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Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From danec at EARTHLINK.NET Tue Feb 11 08:51:15 1997 From: danec at EARTHLINK.NET (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:51:15 +0200 Subject: HW: HAWKWIND vinyl for sale Message-ID: Independant Days vol.2 Utopia 1984 Text of Festival Live ChroniclesSpace Ritual 2 all are used in a "played once and taped'em" condition make an offer danec at earthlink.net From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Feb 11 18:56:09 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:56:09 -0500 Subject: HW: New Golden Void pages In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Feb 11, 97 01:13:27 pm Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, Frank Weil wrote: > > > I also added the misc. page (You'd Better Believe It), with The Psalm > > of Life, a list of songs from Time of the Hawklords, an overview of > > orgone and Reich (attribution unknown - please let me know if you know > > who wrote it), and the Kadu Flyer address. > > Although I probably shouldn't be admitting this, I wrote that piece on > Reich and orgone (it was a "quick post" to BOC-L years ago, and doesn't it > show). Don't be modest; it's the standard treatise on the subject, as far as I'm concerned. ;-) I email a copy of it to any net.acquaintance of mine who asks me about Reich (usually stemming from having heard "Orgone Accululator" or "Cloubusting"). An *attributed* copy. You can feel honored or embarrassed about that, as you please - through the miracle of the Internet, your scholarly fame has spread throughout the world. ;-) > I'd recently read Colin Wilson's biography on Reich (title forgotten; > perhaps someone could look it up) when I wrote it, so I guess that most of > the info in there is flavoured by that tome. Steve, who'll stop picking on Dr. Mather for now swann at panix.com From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Feb 11 20:31:17 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:31:17 -0500 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex, Alien 4 etc. Message-ID: I'd love it if they redid shouldn't do that is Nik turner as gust >and then him and Ron could sing it between them. I really like Ron vocals and >loved the studio version of Am I losing my mind espect for the very end where >he made an awful noise. If they had left his voice out there. It would have be >very good. > >Timothy Fintan Langner You know, one of my favorite things about Alien 4 is the harmonizer on the vocals at the end of "Are You Losing Your Mind?" It's really quite demented sounding! On tour in the USA in 1995, Ron also used a harmonizer on his vocals at points, not to "sweeten" the sound as is traditionally done, but to detune it and make it into a strange effect. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From stayer at PI.NET Wed Feb 12 02:03:21 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:03:21 -0800 Subject: OFF: Kerry Livgren Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote about Kerry Livgren: > He was, I think, the main creative element in > the band (not unlike Al in BOC ;-) and Kansas wasn't quite Kansas anymore > after he left... Agree. What Livgren is doing now doesn't appeal to me that much, the latest Kansas album (Freaks Of Nature) does. I think it was the co-operation, the magic of the band that made its brilliance. > don't think he ever sang any Kansas song... not to my knowledge, anyway, but > I may be wrong on this one. Anything's possible with Livgren ;-) Jerry might > know - I know he's a Kansas fan too ;-) > BTW, he's also released a number of solo albums and has become a > Christian some years ago. Don't know if you mean me or Guizar, but I'm a Kansas fan, yes. Kansas up to the point where Livgren left. Livgren's first solo album, Seeds Of Change, is a brilliant album, especially Mask Of The Great Receiver, sung by Ronnie James Dio. After that he was in a band called AD (AOR, simpler rock). And his Christianity was clear when he was still playing with Kansas, btw. His lyrics were less cryptic on his solo albums and on the AD albums, though. Isn't Kansas going to do a European tour?!?!?!?! Jerry ___________________________________________ "if hate and war could solve anything don't you think they'd solved it a long time ago?" - Geoff Mann in "Sequences" (Twelfth Night) From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Feb 12 01:26:22 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 16:26:22 +1000 Subject: OFF:Breakfast Message-ID: I had Pumpkins. Smashing! Pete. At 06:24 PM 11/02/97 +0100, Alex wrote: >Pam wrote : > >>Mike Parkington wrote: >>> >>> The Doktor's recommendation: >>> >>> What did you have for breakfast today? >>> (snip) >> >>I am having 1 serving of Klaus Schulze, served loud and 4 cups of >>coffee!! > >And I'm currently on a Rainbow diet *grin* > > > >Alex S. Garcia. > ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Money isn't everything; it usually isn't even enough." - Anon. From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 12 01:38:47 1997 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 06:38:47 +0000 Subject: HW: Small Ad In-Reply-To: <9702111118.ZM16805@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: This months Q has the following small ad in the back; Ex-Hawkwind drummer's cassette album of hypnotic solo Tribal Drums - Native American Theme. Send postal order for only ?6.29 incl p&p to PO Box 74, Woodbridge, Suffollk, IP13 6LE. Anybody have any idea who this is ? From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Wed Feb 12 03:57:47 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:57:47 -0000 Subject: OFF:Breakfast Message-ID: Ozric Tentacles, Aborescense. > 1 large portion of Astro Cortex followed by a sizable helping of > Yog-Bar-Og. Who's this?? From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Wed Feb 12 04:17:54 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:17:54 -0000 Subject: BOC:Beer Wars!!! Message-ID: Real beer is called Abbot ale or Theakston's Old Peculier or Ruddles County. The Doktor's recommendation beverage is Abbot and Eddies. a subtle cocktail comprising of one half pint of Abbot Ale and one half pint of Greene king St Edmunds barley wine. To be handled with care. Mike P ---------- From: Craig Shipley[SMTP:craigs at PYRAMID.COM] Sent: 11 February 1997 22:40 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC:Beer Wars!!! > > rj wrote: > >budweiser is not a beer in the same but opposite way that a stout is >not a > beer. > > unless it's Budweiser Budvar from the Czech Republic. Down with > Anheuser-Busch, down with U.S. cultural imperialism *ducks before hail of > missiles & flames* 8^{)> > Naaa, we're just gonna lob a couple of cases of old stale Schlitz in yer general direction. Feel free to retaliate, say, with a case or twenty of Bass or Guiness or Tadcaster porter... The only Budvar that I ever drank was 11 years old (I thought the dating on the side was a misprint; surely there wasn't such a thing as "dated" beer in 1984!!!) and it was better than a fresh Bud... Craig > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" > -R.E.M. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > My Home page: > > http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > --------------------------------------------------------- > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Wed Feb 12 04:39:16 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 02:39:16 -0700 Subject: OFF:Breakfast Message-ID: Mike Parkington wrote: > > Ozric Tentacles, Aborescense. > > > 1 large portion of Astro Cortex followed by a sizable helping of > > Yog-Bar-Og. > Who's this?? Thanx! I am checking these guys out-via the same really cool friend that inducted me into HW!!Good stuff!! WHere can I find the lyrics for Klause Schulze's "Death of an Analogue" ? Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace The ex lead singer with 70's glam rock band The Sweet died of renal failure at age 52. His solo career after leaving The Sweet had been plagued by ill health. Just a note to say that as a kid, I liked the Sweet's stuff before I got interested in Hawkwind. Their Chinn-Chapman singles were formulaic but enjoyable and their b-side and album tracks displayed a talent for soft metal within the band. I'd rate 'em the best of the Glam Rock bands (though not as much fun as Chicory Tip :-) and I'm saddened to hear of his death. FoFP From asg at IMAGINET.FR Wed Feb 12 06:32:22 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:32:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: Kerry Livgren Message-ID: Jerry said : >Don't know if you mean me or Guizar, but I'm a Kansas fan, yes. Kansas up to the point >where Livgren left. Yeah, it was you I meant. I noticed you were also on the Kansas mailing-list (though I finally had to quit that one, cause I was really getting too much e-mail !)... >Livgren's first solo album, Seeds Of Change, is a brilliant album, especially Mask Of >The Great Receiver, sung by Ronnie James Dio. After that he was in a band called AD >(AOR, simpler rock). And his Christianity was clear when he was still playing with >Kansas, btw. His lyrics were less cryptic on his solo albums and on the AD albums, >though. Funny. I'm having a hard time here picturing Dio singing a Christian song... is it just me ? *grin* >Isn't Kansas going to do a European tour?!?!?!?! I have no idea. Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Wed Feb 12 06:37:31 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:37:31 +0000 Subject: On Your Feet Or On Your Knees CD In-Reply-To: <9702121107.aa20575@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: I bought a copy of OYFoOYK on CD in London yesterday, because it had a different sleeve to the US one. Whereas the US one, which is the only one I had seen before, has the usual cheapo back insert, i.e. the gloved hands and book, and the uninspiring blank white stripe because Sony can't be bothered to go to any trouble, this one had the picture from the gatefold part of the vinyl offering, the 5 guitar picture, wrapped all around the back, giving it a nice coloured spine. Even better, the CD booklet, while not separately detailing the credits on the book, contains 'time delay' photos of the band which didn't even come with the original vinyl release! There are quite a lot of them, and it is a very nice booklet. It also contains the times of each song - radical! The gloved hands and book are on the back of the booklet, not very large, but legible. The CD itself says it was made in Austria, although there is a very small copyright notice in French under the track listing in the booklet. Is this actually a common version of the CD, or have I stumbled upon something out of the ordinary. Whatever, it is a welcome discovery, considering the cheapness of most of the repackaging of their albums for CD. Martin From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Feb 12 06:59:01 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 03:59:01 PST Subject: OFF: Kerry Livgren In-Reply-To: <199702112349.AAA18743@imaginet.fr>; from "Alex S. Garcia" at Feb 12, 97 12:49 am Message-ID: > > >He was a Christian for _years_, even in the early days of Kansas > > Hmm... I have my doubts about this. I remember an interview of Livgren I > heard on the radio a few years ago while I was in the States, and I seem to > recall him (or was it the interviewer ?) saying that he had left the band > because he had become Christian (which seems to indicate that it both > happened about at the same time). > Get DECADE, it has a nice write-up on Livgrens' spirituality (in addition to most of the music from SEEDS OF CHANGE). BTW, you may have to hit a Christian bookstore for this one... > >(go back and > >listen to the lyrics. _HEAVY_ religious themes...although the band indicates > >that they weren't "preaching" back then...) > > I dunno. I know most of their lyrics and I never really noted any religious > themes. Or when there was (like in "Miracles out of nowhere") you really > couldn't be sure whether it was pro- or anti-... You have any specific song > in mind ? > Most of the material on the first two releases, but listen to "Devils' Game" and tell me that that don't sound like some down-home preachin'! > >After leaving Kansas, Livgren > >formed the Christian rock band A.D. (with one Ronnie James Dio guesting on > >vocals on one or two tracks!!!) > > I knew about A. D. but not about Dio... interesting. I'll have to get hold > of those tracks... > > >SONG FOR AMERICA would have to be one of my Desert Island disks, having seen > >that (or was it the LEFTOVERTURE?) tour... > > "Song for America" was their first LP (at least their first released - the > self titled album, which was recorded a year before, only came out in 77) Wrong, absolutely. The first one _was_ released first, as I remember seeing it in the stores in '74. I bought SfA first, but went out and bought the first release the next day. And by 1977, MASQUE and LEFTOVERTURE were out (I definitly remember this, LEFTOVERTURE was on the cassette deck alot whenn I was recovering from breaking up with my first fiancee). > and remains to date one of their best, along with "Leftoverture" (perhaps my > favorite :-), "Masque", "Kansas" and... uh... "Point of know return". Well > yeah, I agree the band kind of went downhill after that album, but I still > like that one a lot. Maybe not as much as the four previous, but it still > contains several tracks I find really awesome. BTW, the last album to date > ("Freaks of nature", released last year) is not half bad. It even contains > one song written by Livgren (although he has NOT reunited with the band). > "In the spirit of things" was pretty good too, IMHO. > Yeah, I stuck with them thru MONOLITH, but that was the end of my Kansas purchases (although I did snag POWER from the used CD bins. Don't remember being impressed, don't remember much at all of it...) > > > Alex S. Garcia. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ > Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF > http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ > ---------------------------------------------------------- > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 12 07:02:26 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:02:26 +0000 Subject: BOC:Beer Wars!!! In-Reply-To: <01BC18C5.A21D89C0@agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com> from "Mike Parkington" at Feb 12, 97 09:17:54 am Message-ID: > The Doktor's recommendation beverage is Abbot and Eddies. a subtle cocktail > comprising of one half pint of Abbot Ale and one half pint of Greene king > St Edmunds barley wine. To be handled with care. Good heavans. Is there actually a pub in Cambridge (UK) which serves the Greene King barley wine? I confess to general suspiciousness of Greene King, but of course haven't actually _had_ the barley wine ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 12 07:05:04 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:05:04 +0000 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex, Alien 4 etc. In-Reply-To: <199702120131.UAA19999@wcic.org> from "John Majka" at Feb 11, 97 08:31:17 pm Message-ID: > You know, one of my favorite things about Alien 4 is the harmonizer on the > vocals at the end of "Are You Losing Your Mind?" It's really quite demented > sounding! Yeah, I liked that too! There may be a certain cloud of retread and writing credit issues over some of that stuff, but I think it sounds great--which tends to be my bottom line. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Wed Feb 12 07:32:37 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:32:37 -0000 Subject: OFF: More beer stuff Message-ID: Ah no Carl, This is from fond remembrances of youth in Bishops Stortford at the Railway Hotel (now a select development (flats)) or the Triad Rock-Club AKA The Angel Underground. I think you might find they do St Edmunds in the Wheatsheaf pub, Stow-Cum-Quy (just out of Cambridge) their Abbot is the business. It would, however, be a foolhardy landlord who would serve such a concoction these days. Mike > The Doktor's recommendation beverage is Abbot and Eddies. a subtle cocktail > comprising of one half pint of Abbot Ale and one half pint of Greene king > St Edmunds barley wine. To be handled with care. Good heavans. Is there actually a pub in Cambridge (UK) which serves the Greene King barley wine? I confess to general suspiciousness of Greene King, but of course haven't actually _had_ the barley wine ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Feb 12 08:23:57 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:23:57 +1100 Subject: OFF: Kerry Livgren In-Reply-To: <199702112349.AAA18743@imaginet.fr> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > >He was a Christian for _years_, even in the early days of Kansas > > Hmm... I have my doubts about this. I remember an interview of Livgren I > heard on the radio a few years ago while I was in the States, and I seem to > recall him (or was it the interviewer ?) saying that he had left the band > because he had become Christian (which seems to indicate that it both > happened about at the same time). I understand that he decided to have a greater commitment to his faith, and left. > > >(go back and > >listen to the lyrics. _HEAVY_ religious themes...although the band indicates > >that they weren't "preaching" back then...) > > I dunno. I know most of their lyrics and I never really noted any religious > themes. Or when there was (like in "Miracles out of nowhere") you really > couldn't be sure whether it was pro- or anti-... You have any specific song > in mind ? > Try "Relentless", from Audio-Visions, "The Other Side", from Monolith, "Carry on wayward son", and heaps of others. Also, don't forget that one of the Elephante brothers sang for them for a while. They (Jon and Dino) now are one of the leading production groups in Christian music. Steve Walsh and Dave Hope are also converts to christianity. Check out the inner sleeve artwork for Audio-Visions, too. Heck, a nest of religious stuff with this group!!! > >After leaving Kansas, Livgren > >formed the Christian rock band A.D. (with one Ronnie James Dio guesting on > >vocals on one or two tracks!!!) A.D.'s "prime mover" is a great album. Troy From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Wed Feb 12 08:11:00 1997 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:11:00 -0500 Subject: HW:Ex-Drummer's tape Message-ID: I beleive that the edx-drummer in question is Danny Thompson, as Chris Bruce told me they got a flyer in the mail saying someting about him having a sort of tribal drumming tape?? Does anyone have this? Scott OBCs- OZRICS- Manchester 12/10/94 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 12 09:01:45 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:01:45 -0500 Subject: On Your Feet Or On Your Knees CD Message-ID: Martin: This sounds like a nice repackaging of sorts of OYFOOYK - check the track list carefully, but I suspect it's the same as the original. See if there's any indication of remastering or noise filtering? I suspect not, but you never know. I've heard that the European releases of both Mirrors and Rev.by Night have the full cover art, as oppossed to a smaller version on the CDs released in the States. Hadn't heard about OYFOOYK though. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 12 09:05:37 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:05:37 -0500 Subject: BOC:Beer Wars!!! Message-ID: I think I misrepresented what Bolle meant about "stout" and "beer" being different things. Not that I'm trying to dissuade anyone from thinking the guy is nuts, mind you. ;-) What I *think* Bolle meant was the following: you wouldn't call a "stout" a "stout beer", you'd just call it a "stout" -- sort of like calling "Pepsi Cola" something like "Pepsi Cola Soda" I could be off on this, but that's the idea...the point originally being that it is unlikely that there really existed a "Cully Stout Beer" because no one would use such a term as "stout beer" on a label. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 12 09:15:34 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:15:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: Last night's chat Message-ID: Not too much to report from last night's AOL chat. The only celebrities in the house were Buck and Albert - no Bloom, Bolle, or Melne. Things were a bit quiet at times, but I gleaned the following: 1. Buck says nothing has been done recording-wise on the new album in the last month, but they will be finishing up the studio work next month. No release date was mentioned, although I've heard from some that Buck has told them he expects a June release. 2. Albert mentioned that tBS are still working on future gigs. Somethin was lined up for July (Clayton NY area?) I believe, but that was the only thing definite. There were LOTS of requests last night for tBS to play in various places. Hmm... come to think of it, not much else to report. It was a fairly "social" chat - lots of fans talking about this and that, but not a lot of new information requested/received. There were a few requests for info on tBS, and a few asked about Buck's use of the Bird of Paradise capo. Oh, one neat thing happened right after Albert left. Some guy remarked that he had had a rather negative impression of Albert for the last 15 years, but Albert managed to change all that from the chat - he quickly realized that Albert is a pretty cool person, and hopefully he'll be soon checking out tBS. John From chip at PCC.COM Wed Feb 12 09:38:39 1997 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:38:39 -0500 Subject: BOC: Last night's chat In-Reply-To: <199702121415.JAA04042@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 12, 97 09:15:34 am Message-ID: > Oh, one neat thing happened right after Albert left. Some guy > remarked that he had had a rather negative impression of Albert for the > last 15 years, but Albert managed to change all that from the chat - he > quickly realized that Albert is a pretty cool person, and hopefully > he'll be soon checking out tBS. I thought you said that Eric Bloom WASN'T present last night. :-) -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From mpower at FCMC.COM Wed Feb 12 10:10:42 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:10:42 -0500 Subject: Underground Zero Message-ID: Hi Hawkfans and Cultists, I was just listening to the 'Best of Hawkwind friends and relations', a rather fine compendium (Is that Psy Power the same as the one on 'This is Hawkwind, Do not panic'?). I was wondering, what relation did Underground Zero (Canes Venatici) have to Hawkwind? The net seems rather sparse on info on this band, so I presume that they are now dormant or defunct, but I would like to know what else of their material is still available. Marc Power Born to Go From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Feb 12 10:37:54 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:37:54 +0800 Subject: OFF: Brian Connolly dead Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > The ex lead singer with 70's glam rock band The Sweet died of renal > failure at age 52. His solo career after leaving The Sweet had been > plagued by ill health. > > Just a note to say that as a kid, I liked the Sweet's stuff before I got > interested in Hawkwind. Their Chinn-Chapman singles were formulaic but > enjoyable and their b-side and album tracks displayed a talent for soft > metal within the band. I'd rate 'em the best of the Glam Rock bands > (though not as much fun as Chicory Tip :-) and I'm saddened to hear of > his death. > I also grew up on Sweet before I got into Hawkwind. I'm still a fan of Sweet. I still listen to Andy Scott's Sweet, though I haven't heard Brian Connolly's Sweet as yet. I was, in fact, going to order the recent CD by his band from the UK this week. >From what I've heard, he still has a good voice on the album. William From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 12 05:37:13 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:37:13 -0000 Subject: Underground Zero Message-ID: > Hi Hawkfans and Cultists, > > I was just listening to the 'Best of Hawkwind friends and relations', > a rather fine compendium (Is that Psy Power the same as the one on > 'This is Hawkwind, Do not panic'?). I was wondering, what relation did > Underground Zero (Canes Venatici) have to Hawkwind? The net seems > rather sparse on info on this band, so I presume that they are now > dormant or defunct, but I would like to know what else of their > material is still available. > > i may be wrong, but i THINK this is moorcock's daughters' band. im sure someone will be kind enuff to correct me if i am... rj From christmu at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Wed Feb 12 11:07:04 1997 From: christmu at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (christmu at LOGIN.EUNET.NO) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:07:04 +0100 Subject: dench - Martin - Imaginos? Message-ID: Hi boc-l folks! Here I am paying some two-bit shyster place to get online.... I need to get ahold of Martin - or 'dench' - in the UK -I have an Imaginos CD for you as we agreed for trade. I don't have regular access, so I figure if you send me the Calvert CD w/your return address I'll get the CD off to you as soon as possible! I don't have Martin's e-mail address, so if anyone knows what's up, or if Martin can let me know what's going on. Well, that came off somewhat strange and rambling... my address is: Christian Mumford Bygdoy Alle 58 B 0265 Oslo Norway Anyways, I'll be back!! Never mind the boclers... Christian From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Feb 12 11:03:41 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:03:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: Stonehenge Message-ID: There was an interesting documentary about Stonehenge in the Nova series on PBS last night. A group of people were erecting there own trithlon (sp) consisting of two vertical 14 ton rocks and a 9 ton rock on top using only ropes and logs and volunteers to provide the manpower. Gave some interesting insights into how Stonehenge may have been erected. There was a brief discussion of the police operation to keep the stones free of Hippies and Druids at the summer solstice and footage of two policemen escorting away a hairy guy in an Afghan (hey, was that you Mike ? :-). Sadly no footage of Hawkwind, oh well Martyn From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Feb 12 11:10:43 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 16:10:43 UT Subject: HW: Time Out magazine Message-ID: Just fliiping through London's tip-top listings magazine, _Time Out_, and looking at the "Techno" column in the back... and it's all about http://www.hawkwind.com! And very complimentary it is too! But then again, the column is written by Steve Swindells, and he says he'd just got a royalty cheque from Doug Smith...! - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From stayer at PI.NET Wed Feb 12 10:21:28 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 07:21:28 -0800 Subject: OFF: Kerry Livgren Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: > >After leaving Kansas, Livgren > >formed the Christian rock band A.D. (with one Ronnie James Dio guesting on > >vocals on one or two tracks!!!) > I knew about A. D. but not about Dio... interesting. I'll have to get hold > of those tracks... Ronnie James Dio sung two tracks on Kerry's first solo album, Seeds Of Change. Kerry had not left Kansas by then. I have a Kansas live tape on which they play Mask Of The Great Deceiver, now sung by either Steve Walsh or Robby Steinhardt. Those songs are definitely /not/ on any AD album. > "Song for America" was their first LP (at least their first released - the > self titled album, which was recorded a year before, only came out in 77) Er... the first one was released March 1974, Song For America February 1975. 1977 was the first re-issue. Jerry ___________________________________________ "if hate and war could solve anything don't you think they'd solved it a long time ago?" - Geoff Mann in "Sequences" (Twelfth Night) From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Wed Feb 12 11:39:51 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:39:51 -0700 Subject: OFF: Kerry Livgren -Reply Message-ID: >>> Jerry 02/12/97 12:03am >>> Don't know if you mean me or Guizar, but I'm a Kansas fan, yes. Kansas up to the point where Livgren left. Livgren's first solo album, Seeds Of Change, is a brilliant album, especially Mask Of The Great Receiver, sung by Ronnie James Dio. After that he was in a band called AD (AOR, simpler rock). And his Christianity was clear when he was still playing with Kansas, btw. His lyrics were less cryptic on his solo albums and on the AD albums, though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got that solo album "Seeds of Change" at home. Under the stacks of other vinyl and dust, pretty good album. The Dio song is "mask of the great Deceiver" not Receiver :) Can't think of the other song. Something with "King" in the title, I'm sure... Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Feb 12 11:43:43 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:43:43 +0100 Subject: HW: HAWKWIND tapes Message-ID: At 21:01 11.02.97 +0100, you wrote: >You should avoid sending stuff like this to the list. I personally don't >care, but some other subscribers have a hard time downloading such files and >it can cost them a lot of money, in some cases. Are you joking???? What kind of old fashioned modem do you use ? Bernhard From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Feb 12 11:42:08 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:42:08 +0800 Subject: Glastonbury Fayre video Message-ID: Hi there A shop in the city has the Glastonbury Fayre video for sale. The cover says it is of the first Fayre with a list of some of the artists on it. It lists Gong, Fairport Convention, and some others I like. But it also lists some I don't like (Joe Cocker). I have some questions for anyone who may have knowledge of the video? Did Hawkwind appear at the first Glastonbury Fayre? Is Hawkwind on it? Do we get full songs, or just brief excerpts intertwined (?) into another boring doco about hippies? Is there more of the dull 'names' than of the more interesting artists whom we rarely see early footage of? Is it worth buying? Hope someone knows the answers out there? William From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 12 10:56:57 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:56:57 EDT Subject: Binghamton show Message-ID: There hasn't been any talk about this coming weekend's BOC show in Binghamton. Who besides me [and possibly Joe] are going? We now return you to your regularly scheduled Rush/Kansas-L theo From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Feb 12 12:01:47 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 01:01:47 +0800 Subject: OFF: What is progressive ? Message-ID: Just had a thought on why some bands once regarded progressive no longer seem to be. Nowadays, when you enter CD shops you find heavy metal & hard rock bands like Deep Purple & Black Sabbath, who have been around quite some time, cataloqued under the main section of Rock/Pop. Whereas current artists like silverchair & Pearl Jam are in the Heavy Metal section (in West Australia anyway). These bands are no more or less heavy than their predecessors. I've also looked on various internet CD stores, and found some with categories labelled Progressive. Yet in these categories, there are no names I am familiar with. Meanwhile, King Crimson, Man, Faust, Can, Amon Duul, Soft Machine, etc., are all under their main section of Rock/Pop, along with Michael Jackson & Tina Turner. It's the same with how many of the artists we appreciate would have been the Alternative or Independent band in their early years. The reason I feel this happens is because it may be like a promotion. You have been around so long, that you are no longer required to hide in the obscure sections that only certain people would be viewing. As soon as they have matured, they are moved to a different category. At one time, Tangerine Dream & Brian Eno would be in the Progressive section. Now they are in New Age. William From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed Feb 12 12:45:37 1997 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:45:37 EST Subject: Binghamton show Message-ID: Hey Theo, >There hasn't been any talk about this coming weekend's BOC show in >Binghamton. Who besides me [and possibly Joe] are going? I haven't been able to get any info on the joint- do you know where it is and what time the show starts? >We now return you to your regularly scheduled Rush/Kansas-L > >theo ob song> Bastille Day... er Dust In the Wind... uh Tattoo Vampire. Yeah, that's it. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 12 12:19:28 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 13:19:28 EDT Subject: OFF: What is progressive ? Message-ID: >> From: William Duffy > Just had a thought on why some bands once regarded progressive no longer seem to be. > > Nowadays, when you enter CD shops you find heavy metal & hard rock bands like Deep > Purple & Black Sabbath, who have been around quite some time, cataloqued under the main > section of Rock/Pop. Whereas current artists like silverchair & Pearl Jam are in the > Heavy Metal section (in West Australia anyway). > These bands are no more or less heavy than their predecessors. > Interesting observation! Maybe has something to do with the perceived age group that would be considered fans of these groups. Maybve the record store dudes figure that old fucks like me wouldn't be caught dead browsing the racks labeled metal? > I've also looked on various internet CD stores, and found some with categories labelled > Progressive. Yet in these categories, there are no names I am familiar with. Meanwhile, > King Crimson, Man, Faust, Can, Amon Duul, Soft Machine, etc., are all under their main > section of Rock/Pop, along with Michael Jackson & Tina Turner. > > It's the same with how many of the artists we appreciate would have been the Alternative > or Independent band in their early years. > > The reason I feel this happens is because it may be like a promotion. You have been > around so long, that you are no longer required to hide in the obscure sections that > only certain people would be viewing. > UNtil you're exhaisted like BOC/Sabbath! Then it doesn't matter anymore! theo > From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 12 08:19:23 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 13:19:23 -0000 Subject: HW: HAWKWIND tapes Message-ID: im not throwing in a complaint bernhard,it doesnt bother me. but if my browser didnt wait to ask if i want to see it,it would take me a while to access stuff of that nature....and my modem is not older than a year,and 28800 spd. see,some browsers would take that as raw code,and the code is bigger than the file(or appears to be) me,i get it as a link,which i can click or not. i didnt, because i already had the list. your valiant efforts are applauded and appreciated.... some of the members are accessing from work or school,some of whom dont have any option as to what software to use. again,im not complaining,just demonstrating an alternate point of view... rj > At 21:01 11.02.97 +0100, you wrote: > > >You should avoid sending stuff like this to the list. I personally don't > >care, but some other subscribers have a hard time downloading such files and > >it can cost them a lot of money, in some cases. > > Are you joking???? What kind of old fashioned modem do you use ? > > > Bernhard From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 12 08:32:31 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 13:32:31 -0000 Subject: OFF: What is progressive ? Message-ID: > Just had a thought on why some bands once regarded progressive no longer seem to be. > > Nowadays, when you enter CD shops you find heavy metal & hard rock bands like Deep > Purple & Black Sabbath, who have been around quite some time, cataloqued under the main > section of Rock/Pop. Whereas current artists like silverchair & Pearl Jam are in the > Heavy Metal section (in West Australia anyway). > These bands are no more or less heavy than their predecessors. > > I've also looked on various internet CD stores, and found some with categories labelled > Progressive. Yet in these categories, there are no names I am familiar with. Meanwhile, > King Crimson, Man, Faust, Can, Amon Duul, Soft Machine, etc., are all under their main > section of Rock/Pop, along with Michael Jackson & Tina Turner. > > It's the same with how many of the artists we appreciate would have been the Alternative > or Independent band in their early years. ************** i think maybe its because these young whipper-snappers who run the record shops nowadays are unfamiliar with the bands,and place them in the first bin that occurs to them. also,a lot of catalogues tell a merchandiser where to file their product.it could also be a marketing ploy,where the marketeers figure most progressive fans are going to buy the classics anyway,if they havent already, and want to give them new material when they look in the specialy bins. i have another question.... why does it seem like the music that gets the "alternative" label slapped on is always the hardest to get away from? i mean if its plastered all over the airwaves,its hardly alternative,isnt it? another BTW- concerning (this) HWfan being (appearing to be) stuck in the 70's or 80's with his musical taste... one reason might be that i refuse to purchase material that i can hear at any time,by merely turning on the radio. the more radio play something gets,the less likely i am to buy it. this is not to say that i dont listen,just that after hearing a song four times a day,i get sick of it real fast. and a level of resentment comes up,because i would like to hear a variety of music.so i then find myself sick of the band... i mean u can argue; well,yer collection is made up of only 30 or so bands,dont ya get sick of them? but no i dont,because the bands i listen to all have huge catalogs or lots of friends and relations. ENOUGH BABBLING,RJ! rj ************** > The reason I feel this happens is because it may be like a promotion. You have been > around so long, that you are no longer required to hide in the obscure sections that > only certain people would be viewing. > > As soon as they have matured, they are moved to a different category. > > At one time, Tangerine Dream & Brian Eno would be in the Progressive section. Now they > are in New Age. > > William From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Wed Feb 12 13:38:12 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:38:12 -0000 Subject: Glastonbury Fayre video Message-ID: But it also lists some I don't like (Joe Cocker). Eeeeeuuurgh!!! nearly as bad as Van Morrison. Mike P. From stayer at PI.NET Wed Feb 12 21:04:01 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:04:01 -0800 Subject: OFF: Kerry Livgren Message-ID: I said : > >Don't know if you mean me or Guizar, but I'm a Kansas fan, yes. Alex S. Garcia wrote: > Yeah, it was you I meant. I noticed you were also on the Kansas mailing-list > (though I finally had to quit that one, cause I was really getting too much > e-mail !)... I quit some time ago as well, and the Boston mailing list. Too much e-mail and too much nonsense. BOC-L is the only mailing list I'm subscribed to at the moment... > >Livgren's first solo album, Seeds Of Change, is a brilliant album, > >especially Mask Of > >The Great Receiver, sung by Ronnie James Dio. > Funny. I'm having a hard time here picturing Dio singing a Christian song... > is it just me ? *grin* Hehe, maybe he didn't understand... > >Isn't Kansas going to do a European tour?!?!?!?! > I have no idea. Shit, now I have to re-join the Kansas list again... Jerry ___________________________________________ "if hate and war could solve anything don't you think they'd solved it a long time ago?" - Geoff Mann in "Sequences" (Twelfth Night) From stayer at PI.NET Wed Feb 12 21:06:36 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:06:36 -0800 Subject: On Your Feet Or On Your Knees CD Message-ID: dench wrote: > I bought a copy of OYFoOYK on CD in London yesterday, because it had a > different sleeve to the US one.[ snip ] > Even better, the CD booklet, while not separately detailing the credits on > the book, contains 'time delay' photos of the band which didn't even come > with the original vinyl release! Maybe there are /more/ time-delay pictures than on the original, because my vinyl copy has those pictures on the inner sleeves. Could you give me some info on the cd? year of release country of release (France you said?) record label & cat# Thanks! Jerry ___________________________________________ "if hate and war could solve anything don't you think they'd solved it a long time ago?" - Geoff Mann in "Sequences" (Twelfth Night) From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Feb 12 14:52:50 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 14:52:50 -0500 Subject: dench - Martin - Imaginos? Message-ID: >Hi boc-l folks! > >Here I am paying some two-bit shyster place to get online.... I need to get >ahold of Martin - or 'dench' - in the UK -I have an Imaginos CD for you as Another one? I already got mine from you in a trade. What'd you do, get a crate of them? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From asg at IMAGINET.FR Wed Feb 12 14:55:39 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:55:39 +0100 Subject: HW: HAWKWIND tapes Message-ID: >>You should avoid sending stuff like this to the list. I personally don't >>care, but some other subscribers have a hard time downloading such files and >>it can cost them a lot of money, in some cases. > >Are you joking???? What kind of old fashioned modem do you use ? As I've said, Bernhard, I personally don't care. I have a good modem, thank you. But I'm not everyone. Some people still have older material and others are also very likely subject to other kinds of things which make these automated downloading a pain to deal with. I've already often seen people complain about these sort of things, so I guess we should avoid doing them - especially when, as someone else pointed out, the material send is already easily available on the Web or through FTP. Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From asg at IMAGINET.FR Wed Feb 12 14:55:44 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:55:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Kerry Livgren Message-ID: >Most of the material on the first two releases, but listen to "Devils' Game" >and tell me that that don't sound like some down-home preachin'! Yeah. I guess I have to agree on this one ! :-o >> "Song for America" was their first LP (at least their first released - the >> self titled album, which was recorded a year before, only came out in 77) > >Wrong, absolutely. The first one _was_ released first, as I remember seeing >it in the stores in '74. I bought SfA first, but went out and bought the >first release the next day. That's very weird. I saw a vinyl copy of "Kansas" (the self-titled LP) one day and it had a text on the back cover explaining how the album was recorded between 72 and 74 (if I remember correctly) but that they had a lot of problems releasing it and that it had only been released in 77 (which was the copyright date on the cover). I don't recall who signed this little text (or if it was signed at all), but it sounded as if it was coming directly from a band member (or perhaps the producer ?). Does anyone have this copy with the text behind ? It puzzles me... >Yeah, I stuck with them thru MONOLITH, but that was the end of my Kansas >purchases (although I did snag POWER from the used CD bins. Don't remember >being impressed, don't remember much at all of it...) I think I have all of their albums (with the noted exception of "Two for the show"), but more for collecting purposes then anything else. I only really care for the first five albums and the two last ones. "Monolith" is okay too, I guess, but not quite as powerful as the others, IMHO. BTW, "Power" is not such a bad album... if you don't consider it a Kansas LP ! To my ears, it sounds a lot like something Toto could have released (in fact, some of the regular contributors to Toto albums have worked on "Power") - though not quite as good either. Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Feb 12 12:25:15 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:25:15 +0000 Subject: HW:Ex-Drummer's tape In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:11:00 EST." <01IFBLJ3ISQI5678NL@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> Message-ID: > I beleive that the edx-drummer in question is Danny Thompson, as > Chris Bruce told me they got a flyer in the mail saying someting > about him having a sort of tribal drumming tape?? Does anyone > have this? That would be quite likely, since the address for the tape was Woodbridge (a village just outside Ipswich, where I am now), and I recall my old guitar tutor saying Danny Thompson lived around here. I don't have the tape though. cheers, Tim From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Feb 12 17:12:52 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:12:52 -0500 Subject: Kerry Livgren -Reply Message-ID: ---------- From: Brad M. Lauchnor[SMTP:blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 1997 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF: Kerry Livgren -Reply >>> Jerry 02/12/97 12:03am >>> Don't know if you mean me or Guizar, but I'm a Kansas fan, yes. Kansas up to the point where Livgren left. Livgren's first solo album, Seeds Of Change, is a brilliant album, especially Mask Of The Great Receiver, sung by Ronnie James Dio. After that he was in a band called AD (AOR, simpler rock). And his Christianity was clear when he was still playing with Kansas, btw. His lyrics were less cryptic on his solo albums and on the AD albums, though. Shipley here. Dug out the DECADE CD (Sparrow SPD1320, if you want to order it). It contains all of the music from SEEDS OF CHANGE and TIMELINE with songs from PRIME MOVER, ONE OF SEVERAL POSSIBLE MUSIKS, ART OF THE STATE, RECONSTRUCTION and a couple of unreleased cuts. Two fully packed CD's, with a 32-page booklet (you can also buy Kerrys' book SEEDS OF CHANGE, about his spiritual journey). Livgrens' Christianity didn't really kick in until 1979 (his first song as a Christian was "Just One Way", so, while his earlier material had heavy spiritual overtones, they were not written from a "Christian viewpoint"; I stand corrected. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got that solo album "Seeds of Change" at home. Under the stacks of other vinyl and dust, pretty good album. The Dio song is "mask of the great Deceiver" not Receiver :) Can't think of the other song. Something with "King" in the title, I'm sure... The song is "To Live For The King". According to the booklet, Dio was selected for his vocal range and expressiveness. Quoting the booklet "I chose Ronnie James strictly on the basis of his vocal abilities. Even though he had begun to sing for Black Sabbath, Ronnie is no Satanist. People have asked me why I included him in my solo album and the answer is that I saw him as the right singer for the two songs. In addition, his work on my album gave him an opportunity to sing lyrics which are diametrically opposed to what he does in Black Sabbath. This provided a clear witness to him about Christ". He writes more about this choice elsewhere; "Whether they believed in what they were singing or not, they put all their hearts into it. Ronnie James' improvisation at the end of "To Live For The King" was certainly witness to that. Some of the lyrics he added amazed Brad (Brad Aaron, engineer for SoC and two previous Kansas albums) and I, considering that he came up with them ad lib." ...and that's the word on Dio. Listing to it now, it isn't a bad release, but it sure ain't SONG FOR AMERICA.... Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com (who can still squeeze his way into his Kansas black 'n silver tour tee. Disregard the beer gut showing underneath, must have shrunk in the wash...) Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3328 bytes Desc: not available URL: From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Feb 12 18:16:06 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:16:06 +1000 Subject: HW: Codex & Discography booklet In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19970211063131.058707dc@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: On 11 Feb 97 at 6:34, Johan Edlundh wrote: > >1) Offer it at say $A12 (plus postage) > >2) Offer it for a little under $A1, but wait until I have enough paid orders > >before producing them (which could result in significant delays) > > > >What does everyone think? > > > I want of course a copy, and don't care of the costs - as I am a very rich > man. (or a rabid collector...) Cool ... that means I can charge say $2, and you'll cover the rest?? ;^) Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 12 17:44:13 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:44:13 +0000 Subject: Glastonbury Fayre video In-Reply-To: <3301F2DF.5A35@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Isn't the Calvert version of `Silver Machine' from the GTP album on this? Or is this a different Glastonbury Fayre thing? Of course, it might be on the album and not the video, and my source is poor on HW accuracy. Yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU Wed Feb 12 16:25:40 1997 From: AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU (AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 15:25:40 -0600 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: Carl wrote: >I suspect _Mirrors_ sounds disco really only in retrospect. I have to disagree here. Mirrors is one of my favorites and I don't see any disco influence whatsoever. There are some pop-like songs but nothing I can imagine anyone dancing to. Can someone say what songs in particular sound disco-esque to them? Alton Broussard From asg at IMAGINET.FR Wed Feb 12 18:54:27 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:54:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: Kerry Livgren Message-ID: Jerry wrote : >I quit some time ago as well, and the Boston mailing list. Too much e-mail and too much >nonsense. I agree. BOC-L seems to me much more constructive then most other lists. Go figure. >> Funny. I'm having a hard time here picturing Dio singing a Christian song... >> is it just me ? *grin* > >Hehe, maybe he didn't understand... *laughing* That must be it, yeah... Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From asg at IMAGINET.FR Wed Feb 12 18:54:30 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:54:30 +0100 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - was Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: >I have to disagree here. Mirrors is one of my favorites and I don't >see any disco influence whatsoever. There are some pop-like songs >but nothing I can imagine anyone dancing to. Can someone say what >songs in particular sound disco-esque to them? I never said you could dance to it. It's more of an atmosphere thing, with all the handclaps, the mixing and stuff. I don't know. Just a general feeling I get each time I listen to "Mirrors". In particular songs like "Dr. Music", "Moon crazy" or - the worst (IMHO) - "Lonely teardrops". Probably the one BOC song I dislike most... Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 12 13:58:41 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:58:41 -0000 Subject: HW: any news,re US tour?? Message-ID: hi, just wondering if anyone has anything new about the planned us tour for hw in june. there are other questions implied,but if ya know the answers,post em? rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 12 14:06:54 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 19:06:54 -0000 Subject: OFF:Moorcock novels...(edited by) Message-ID: hi. i picked up moorcock's new one yesterday.(blood) cant wait to start it. while there,i saw the two collections edited by MM, tales of the whitewolf, and the other one, the eternal champion?? i think... i remember seeing a bit of feedback on these here a while back. i recall as someone said one of them really sucked. i dont remember which. if anyone has read either of these, could i get your oppinions please? ps. i also picked up a new novel by lavar burton (geordie laforge),called "aftermath", about the end of civilisation on the planet... looks pretty good... but then im into such things. rj obCD// steroid maximus gondwanaland ...... really cool.. sounds like glen miller on a really flipped out bad trip.......(beware of nazi symbolism on the inserts..... ) From mlooney at IONET.NET Wed Feb 12 19:16:16 1997 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:16:16 -0600 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: At 03:25 PM 2/12/97 -0600, you wrote: >Carl wrote: >>I suspect _Mirrors_ sounds disco really only in retrospect. > >I have to disagree here. Mirrors is one of my favorites and I don't >see any disco influence whatsoever. There are some pop-like songs >but nothing I can imagine anyone dancing to. Can someone say what >songs in particular sound disco-esque to them? While I would not say that any of Mirrors is disco I can imagine people dancing to several songs on that CD. In Thee, Great Sun Jester and The Storm being the tracks in mind. Granted they were not wearing much clothing when the started dancing, and were wearing even less by the time the song was over, but they WERE dancing. My wife worked as an exotic dancer, and Mirrors was on the juke box at her club. She and several other girls danced to the above listed songs about 2-3 times a week, that I know of. From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Wed Feb 12 20:12:08 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:12:08 -0500 Subject: OFF:Moorcock novels...(edited by) In-Reply-To: <199702130016.TAA03883@listserv.spc.edu> from "RJ" at Feb 12, 97 07:06:54 pm Message-ID: > > hi. > i picked up moorcock's new one yesterday.(blood) cant wait to start it. > while there,i saw the two collections edited by MM, tales of the whitewolf, > and the other one, > the eternal champion?? i think... > > i remember seeing a bit of feedback on these here a while back. i recall as > someone said one of them really > sucked. i dont remember which. if anyone has read either of these, could > i get your oppinions please? there are two short storie compilations where other folk attempt to write stories using MM characters-- tales of the white wolf (elric stories) pawn of chaos (eternal champion stories) to be brief and blunt both are quite bad (Pawn being the worse of the two), almost all the stories apart from MM's contribution to Tales are quite bad, i mean truly annoying, meandering, poorly written, derivative stories. if you _have_ to choose one, buy the Elric one as it has a good MM story, a good one by Neil Gaiman and maybe one other good one (colin greenland's maybe) if you want more specifics email me and i will look back over my copy for more detailed reactions. better to pick the sequel to blood "fabulous harbors" which just came out in the us, or to get the mojo ed. of "behold the man" (novella, with an essay by MM) apparently the Stormbringer comic will happen as stores have received notice about issue 2...yay! --dave obcdinplayerrightnow:less then jake (fair ska/punk) obboclistfolkstuckinsixties:phil ochs boyo! From torgo at NORWICH.NET Wed Feb 12 20:32:51 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:32:51 -0500 Subject: BOC: Binghamton Show Message-ID: Theo Said: >There hasn't been any talk about this coming weekend's BOC show in >Binghamton. Who besides me [and possibly Joe] are going? > >We now return you to your regularly scheduled Rush/Kansas-L I might end up going as a last minute deal (yeah I know, I ALWAYS say that) depending on how I feel that night and the weather. If I do end up going, I'll be the guy in the RUSH "Counterparts" jersey (the one with the rabbit and the turtle). I think you know why I have decided to wear that. :^) To whoever asked about the location.... The place is called "The Strike Zone" and is on court Street. Court street also happens to be US 11, so if you are coming into Binghamton via 81 (probably), just look for the US 11 exit and stay on it through downtown Binghamton. You can't miss the place. I have no idea what time BOC goes on or any other show details. OK, back to being a lurker. Torgo has left the Building........... torgo at norwich.net ******************************************************************* "Wenn ist das Nunstuck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! .... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!" -It was a fantastic success. Over sixty thousand times as powerful as Britain's great pre-war joke, and one which Hitler just couldn't match. ******************************************************************* From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Feb 12 22:46:54 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:46:54 +1000 Subject: HW: Codex & Discography booklet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10 Feb 97 at 23:38, Paul Mather wrote: > Personally, I think the Hawkwind Discography and Codex change so rapidly > (what with new compilations and releases coming out all the time), I see > little point in having a printed copy. I have a hard enough time keeping my > electronic version up to date, so I don't think I'd stand any chance with a > paper one (if it were in a loose leaf binder I might have a chance). My > feeling is that it would probably be out of date by the time you shipped it. > IMHO. > > Sorry to appear to sound so negative, but I thought I'd just mention those > issues for consideration. > > Declared bias: I am a digital libraries researcher, so I tend to shy away from > paper anyway. ;-) Thanks for the opinion, but I think that some folk will still buy them (in fact I allready have a small list building as a result of this post). The best is probably to do both .... the booklet for those who want it (including the many fans without PC's and printers), and a database version as well (when/if I have time to do it) I've managed to get the price below $A10 each for sets of 5 or more btw, and pick up the first set tonight. So if anyone does want one, please let me know. Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Feb 12 22:47:46 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:47:46 +1000 Subject: HW: Codex & Discography booklet In-Reply-To: <4095790911.37619437@techlink.fr> Message-ID: On 11 Feb 97 at 17:49, Olivier Boigey wrote: > I agree too, I'd prefer to pay for a database version (files in dbf format) of > the Codex, and then update it freely when needed, and finally print the last > version, a kind of shareware codex; what do you think about it ? The *last* version? Please define! ;^) Paul (may the Hawkship fly forever!!!!) -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 12 17:38:57 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:38:57 -0000 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - was Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: > >I have to disagree here. Mirrors is one of my favorites and I don't > >see any disco influence whatsoever. There are some pop-like songs > >but nothing I can imagine anyone dancing to. Can someone say what > >songs in particular sound disco-esque to them? > > I never said you could dance to it. It's more of an atmosphere thing, with > all the handclaps, the mixing and stuff. I don't know. Just a general > feeling I get each time I listen to "Mirrors". In particular songs like "Dr. > Music", "Moon crazy" or - the worst (IMHO) - "Lonely teardrops". Probably > the one BOC song I dislike most... > > guess what. i agree with both of these points. it seems to me that mirrors is non-disco music treated in the studio as disco music. it has that underlying sound. its not disco. and it is among my favorite boc albums, but for entirely different reasons than other favorites. but then, i really liked manfred mann's "watch" album, which is probably their "mirrors". rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 12 17:43:51 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:43:51 -0000 Subject: OFF:Moorcock novels...(edited by) Message-ID: thanks for the input dave. this is what i remember hearing...so i guess i will wait to: 1. borrow a copy or 2. wait until ive run out of other stuff to read. didnt know about fabulous harbors,or would have looked for it. as for behold the man....i saw this new edit. there. does it vary in content from the old edition,or is it merely format? if there is no content, i can simply read the essay on site and move on. ;) rj > there are two short storie compilations where other folk attempt > to write stories using MM characters-- > > tales of the white wolf (elric stories) > pawn of chaos (eternal champion stories) > > to be brief and blunt both are quite bad (Pawn being the > worse of the two), almost all the stories apart from MM's > contribution to Tales are quite bad, i mean truly > annoying, meandering, poorly written, derivative stories. > > if you _have_ to choose one, buy the Elric one as it has a > good MM story, a good one by Neil Gaiman and maybe one other > good one (colin greenland's maybe) > > if you want more specifics email me and i will look back over > my copy for more detailed reactions. > > better to pick the sequel to blood "fabulous harbors" which > just came out in the us, or to get the mojo ed. of > "behold the man" (novella, with an essay by MM) > > apparently the Stormbringer comic will happen as stores > have received notice about issue 2...yay! > > --dave > obcdinplayerrightnow:less then jake (fair ska/punk) > obboclistfolkstuckinsixties:phil ochs boyo! From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Feb 12 23:54:04 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:54:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: Livgren vocals Message-ID: In a message dated 97-02-11 15:01:43 EST, you write: << OTOH, I don't think he ever sang any Kansas song... not to my knowledge, anyway, but I may be wrong on this one. >> He's listed for vocals on the first album (Kansas), though I don't believe he sings lead on anything. SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Feb 13 00:14:39 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:14:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Kansas first album back cover text Message-ID: In a message dated 97-02-12 14:56:46 EST, you write: << That's very weird. I saw a vinyl copy of "Kansas" (the self-titled LP) one day and it had a text on the back cover explaining how the album was recorded between 72 and 74 (if I remember correctly) but that they had a lot of problems releasing it and that it had only been released in 77 (which was the copyright date on the cover). I don't recall who signed this little text (or if it was signed at all), but it sounded as if it was coming directly from a band member (or perhaps the producer ?). Does anyone have this copy with the text behind ? It puzzles me... >> Here's the back cover text from the vinyl version of the first album: How can we begin to describe the years of frustration and endless disappointments which suddenly and miraculously turned around and culminated in this album? We won't even try. Suffice it to say that in spite of the fact that this is our first record, we have around 50 years of combined musical experience in one of the most unmusical environments imaginable. Our music has many faces and many moods like the land we live in. It is a fusion of energy and serenity, a melting pot of ideas. From the very beginning, we considered ourselves and our music different, and we hope we always remain so. Thanks and unthanks are, as usual, too numerous to mention, but we pour out both to those deserving and they know who they are. Our lives are in this music. WE ARE KANSAS! KANSAS IS A BAND! --------------------------------------------------- Under this is just says "Produced by Wally Gold," so who knows who wrote the above. My copy is copyright 1974, and the inner sleeve tags the various songs as copyright 1972, 1973, and 1974. Perhaps they re-released this album in 1977 after the success of Leftoverture and Point of Know Return, and added some extra text to it (much as the first two Supertramp albums were re-released after the success of the later version of that band). Hope that helps! SET From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Feb 13 02:22:10 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:22:10 +1000 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - was Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: At 10:38 PM 12/02/97 +0000, rj wrote: >guess what. i agree with both of these points. it seems to me that mirrors >is non-disco music >treated in the studio as disco music. it has that underlying sound. its not >disco. and it is among my favorite boc albums, but for entirely different >reasons than other favorites. >but then, i really liked manfred mann's "watch" album, which is probably >their "mirrors". >rj *Watch* not widely appreciated? I don't know much about Manfred M, but this one is part of my musical upbringing. Is it really one of their lesser liked albums? I agree too that *Mirrors* has some vague discoesque influence, but I've always thought of it as like a date stamp. Pretty well every album aiming to sell is shaped by contemporary sounds and rhythms, and what other artists are doing e.g. lots of 80's albums share distinctive qualities, especially the way drums were produced in general - boring. Pete. ObCD:*Fully Completely* - Tragically Hip I read up on the Bill Barilko story, but what is a Fifty Mission Cap? For 50 game veterans? ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Money isn't everything; it usually isn't even enough." - Anon. From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Feb 12 00:05:16 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 15:05:16 +1000 Subject: OFF:Moorcock novels...(edited by) Message-ID: RJ wrote: > hi. > i picked up moorcock's new one yesterday.(blood) cant wait to start it. > while there,i saw the two collections edited by MM, tales of the whitewolf, > and the other one, the eternal champion?? i think... I personaly LOVE all of the Blood series (or whatever you wish to call the series), and also thought that War Amongst the Angels was the best. I don't have any of the White Wolf editions (I think that's who publishes them), as I don't realy like the company, and don't have much faith in anything that they bring out anymore... But then again, I love Moorcock's writing and would tell you every book is worth reading, so my opinion may well be a little biased, as it were... - Max Wilcox From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Feb 13 06:59:50 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 22:59:50 +1100 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing In-Reply-To: <01IFC095LOVM8X04PU@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU wrote: > Carl wrote: > >I suspect _Mirrors_ sounds disco really only in retrospect. > > I have to disagree here. Mirrors is one of my favorites and I don't > see any disco influence whatsoever. There are some pop-like songs > but nothing I can imagine anyone dancing to. Can someone say what > songs in particular sound disco-esque to them? > > Alton Broussard > I agree with you Alton, but I think most people would cite "Lonely Teardrops" as the culprit. THe Bee Gees are disco, Mirrors ain't. Troy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 13 08:52:48 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 08:52:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: O.K., my $0.02 on this Mirrors/Disco thread . . . No, *Mirrors* is NOT disco - but I think *Mirrors* sounds like it did BECAUSE of disco, and it's about as close to disco as Columbia (with Tom Werman's help) could make BOC (and don't forget the group shot on the back of the album - they tried to make BOC LOOK disco too!). 'Nuff said (hey, my $0.02 was really only about $0.02 this time! Not the $1.27 I usually spew out!) John From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Thu Feb 13 09:09:29 1997 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:09:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex, Alien 4 etc. In-Reply-To: <3300A08B.45C7@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, William Duffy wrote: > About the only albums that are low on my list, are things like "Text of > Festival" & "Bring me the Head of Uri Gagarin", but that's more for the sound quality than > anything else. Those albums would be perfect choices to remaster if there was decent > recordings of them around. > > William > Isn't Text of Festival actually a remaster of "In the Beginning" which I have? Now that is some poor sounf quality there *l* Jeremy From asg at IMAGINET.FR Thu Feb 13 09:22:43 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:22:43 +0100 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - was Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: >but then, i really liked manfred mann's "watch" album, which is probably >their "mirrors". Hey, I love "Watch" too, but I wouldn't call it their "Mirrors"... I don't think they sound much alike ! Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From asg at IMAGINET.FR Thu Feb 13 09:22:48 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:22:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: Kansas first album back cover text Message-ID: >Here's the back cover text from the vinyl version of the first album: > > (back cover text snipped) > >Under this is just says "Produced by Wally Gold," so who knows who wrote the >above. My copy is copyright 1974, and the inner sleeve tags the various >songs as copyright 1972, 1973, and 1974. > >Perhaps they re-released this album in 1977 after the success of Leftoverture >and Point of Know Return, and added some extra text to it (much as the first >two Supertramp albums were re-released after the success of the later version >of that band). That must be it, then. Weird. I wish I had bought that vinyl when I saw it... oh well. Thanks for the info anyway... Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From asg at IMAGINET.FR Thu Feb 13 09:22:50 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:22:50 +0100 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - was Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: Peter wrote : >>but then, i really liked manfred mann's "watch" album, which is probably >>their "mirrors". >>rj > >*Watch* not widely appreciated? I don't know much about Manfred M, but this >one is part of my musical upbringing. Is it really one of their lesser liked >albums? I don't think that's what RJ meant. He was just saying that the two are similar musically, or more likely in the way they were mixed... at least that's how I understood it. Not necessarily that "Watch" wasn't appreciated. Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Feb 13 09:43:12 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 22:43:12 +0800 Subject: OFF:Moorcock novels...(edited by) Message-ID: > didnt know about fabulous harbors,or would have looked for it. > There is actually another one out now in this series. The full title escapes me for the moment, but I think the word "Angels" is in it? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Feb 13 09:52:25 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 22:52:25 +0800 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex, Alien 4 etc. Message-ID: Jeremy R. Horne wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, William Duffy wrote: > > About the only albums that are low on my list, are things like "Text of > > Festival" & "Bring me the Head of Uri Gagarin", but that's more for the sound quality than > > anything else. Those albums would be perfect choices to remaster if there was decent > > recordings of them around. > > > > William > > > Isn't Text of Festival actually a remaster of "In the Beginning" which I > have? Now that is some poor sounf quality there *l* > As far as I am aware, "Text of Festival" was released first. I don't think any of it's subsequent re-releases under other names are remasters, with the exception of the remix of "We Do It" on the recent "Friends & Relations" CD? I suppose the re-released "...Yuri Gagarin" CD (with the different cover) could be regarded as a remaster, as I have read that the sound quality is better? William From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Feb 13 22:09:59 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:09:59 +1000 Subject: OFF:Moorcock novels...(edited by) Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > > > didnt know about fabulous harbors,or would have looked for it. > > > There is actually another one out now in this series. The full title escapes me for the > moment, but I think the word "Angels" is in it? > > William War Amongst the Angels. It gets as close as we'll ever probably get (knowing Moorcock...) to a good explanation of the whole Eternal Champion mythos. Blood isn't that explanatory, but the other two are very much so. -Max Wilcox From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Thu Feb 13 10:45:26 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:45:26 +0000 Subject: On Your Feet Or On Your Knees CD In-Reply-To: <199702121401.JAA01090@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Hi John It is a nice repackaging, although if my original UK LP had had the inner sleeves with pictures, I might not have been so surprised! The music is exactly the same as the regular US release, even down to the strange modulation on Bloom's voice before '7 Screaming Dizbusters', which definitely was not on my original vinyl. Any ideas why that is there? As for 'Mirrors' and 'Revolution by Night', I expect the UK packaging was quite good, because I have the European issue of 'Club Ninja' which reproduces the sleeve quite well. However, these copies are all long deleted now, and we all have to put up with the shitty Collectors Club, or whatever they are called, versions. Thanks for the help, Martin On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > Martin: > > This sounds like a nice repackaging of sorts of OYFOOYK - check the > track list carefully, but I suspect it's the same as the original. See > if there's any indication of remastering or noise filtering? I suspect > not, but you never know. > > I've heard that the European releases of both Mirrors and Rev.by Night > have the full cover art, as oppossed to a smaller version on the CDs > released in the States. Hadn't heard about OYFOOYK though. > > John > From gshelton at EMPIRENET.COM Thu Feb 13 10:59:27 1997 From: gshelton at EMPIRENET.COM (Gary S Shelton) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 07:59:27 -0800 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - was Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: Peter Sondergeld wrote: > > At 10:38 PM 12/02/97 +0000, rj wrote: > > >guess what. i agree with both of these points. it seems to me that mirrors > >is non-disco music > >treated in the studio as disco music. it has that underlying sound. its not > >disco. and it is among my favorite boc albums, but for entirely different > >reasons than other favorites. > >but then, i really liked manfred mann's "watch" album, which is probably > >their "mirrors". > >rj > > *Watch* not widely appreciated? I don't know much about Manfred M, but this > one is part of my musical upbringing. Is it really one of their lesser liked > albums? > > I agree too that *Mirrors* has some vague discoesque influence, but I've > always thought of it as like a date stamp. Pretty well every album aiming to > sell is shaped by contemporary sounds and rhythms, and what other artists > are doing e.g. lots of 80's albums share distinctive qualities, especially > the way drums were produced in general - boring. > > Pete. > > ObCD:*Fully Completely* - Tragically Hip > I read up on the Bill Barilko story, but what is a Fifty Mission Cap? For 50 > game veterans? um, i think that refers to an award given to bomber pilots during WWII for flying 50 successful bombing missions (usually in a B-17). > ************************** > Peter Sondergeld > p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au > > "Money isn't everything; it usually isn't even enough." - Anon. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Thu Feb 13 11:21:44 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:21:44 -0500 Subject: OFF:Moorcock novels...(edited by) In-Reply-To: <33032880.2636@iinet.net.au> from "William Duffy" at Feb 13, 97 10:43:12 pm Message-ID: > > > didnt know about fabulous harbors,or would have looked for it. > > > There is actually another one out now in this series. The full title escapes me for the > moment, but I think the word "Angels" is in it? war amongst the angels. out from orion (i think) a very good end to the trilogy and brings togther a lot of threads from the EC saga (not that it ties them together in a "ok, here's the explanantion" way, you know moorcock...) definitely worth getting, i would suppose it'll be out next year in the us --dave From AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU Thu Feb 13 12:11:32 1997 From: AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU (AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:11:32 -0600 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - was Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: I love Moon Crazy and Dr. Music (although I have to pretend the backup singers in the chorus aren't there!). Lonely Teardrops is the one song on Mirrors I don't like, though. Sounds like a bad Stevie Wonder song. Alton Broussard From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Feb 13 08:04:05 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:04:05 -0000 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - was Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: > *Watch* not widely appreciated? I don't know much about Manfred M, but this > one is part of my musical upbringing. Is it really one of their lesser liked > albums? > well, i really dont know... i had been a fan of Manfred for years before i ever heard of it. they only did one pressing,until they released it on cd finally a couple of years ago. it had no airplay as far as i know, so maybe it was just not widely known... a friend of mine lent it to me at work,and i loved it immediately. rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Feb 13 08:05:29 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:05:29 -0000 Subject: OFF:Moorcock novels...(edited by) Message-ID: > I personaly LOVE all of the Blood series (or whatever you wish to call > the series), and also thought that War Amongst the Angels was the best. > I don't have any of the White Wolf editions (I think that's who > publishes them), as I don't realy like the company, and don't have much > faith in anything that they bring out anymore... > But then again, I love Moorcock's writing and would tell you every book > is worth reading, so my opinion may well be a little biased, as it > were... > ok,i didnt realise this was a series. is blood the first? how many are there in the series,in order if ya can...? thanks rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Feb 13 08:10:16 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:10:16 -0000 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - was Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: > >but then, i really liked manfred mann's "watch" album, which is probably > >their "mirrors". > > Hey, I love "Watch" too, but I wouldn't call it their "Mirrors"... I don't > think they sound much alike ! > i wasnt comparing the two for sound, but for popularity and sudden change. it was pretty far off what i was used to...or maybe not. maybe it was just that i hadnt heard anything from them for so long before i heard watch. ( i had long since given up on hearing chris thompsons voice again, and it was somewhat different on this album.) but after hearing this album, i found a vinyl copy of manfred mann live in buddapest, from king biscuit flower hour....it was really cool,a lot of power...........and i think it was from the tour for watch,because it had that funky version of the mighty quinn.... rj From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Thu Feb 13 16:51:11 1997 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:51:11 -0800 Subject: Email your favorite FCC official. Message-ID: >According to people in the know, they are trying to sneak this one through >congress in some obscure bill so no one will find out until it's too late... >Your local telephone company has filed a proposal with the FCC to impose >per minute charges for your internet service. They contend that your usage >has or will hinder the operation of the telephone network. additional per >minute charges. The FCC has created an email box for your >comments, responses must be received by February 13, 1997. Send your >comments to isp at fcc.gov and tell them what you think. >Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to sneak it in >just under the wire for litiagation. Let everyone you know herethis one. >Get the e-mail address to everyone you can think of. >isp at fcc.gov >Please forward this email to all your friends on the internet so all our >voices may be heard! http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ ??????????????????????????????? spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Feb 13 12:30:22 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:30:22 -0000 Subject: Email your favorite FCC official. Message-ID: seems to me,that the internet providers should be fighting this as well.i have mailed the fcc. im hoping this isnt another hoax.or maybe i hope it is... if this gets passed i will dump my internet service as well as my phone service. forever. im an extreme kinda guy. rj >According to people in the know, they are trying to sneak this one through >congress in some obscure bill so no one will find out until it's too late... >Your local telephone company has filed a proposal with the FCC to impose >per minute charges for your internet service. They contend that your usage >has or will hinder the operation of the telephone network. additional per >minute charges. The FCC has created an email box for your >comments, responses must be received by February 13, 1997. Send your >comments to isp at fcc.gov and tell them what you think. >Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to sneak it in >just under the wire for litiagation. Let everyone you know herethis one. >Get the e-mail address to everyone you can think of. >isp at fcc.gov >Please forward this email to all your friends on the internet so all our >voices may be heard! From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu Feb 13 20:05:56 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 01:05:56 GMT Subject: Underground Zero In-Reply-To: <199702121545.KAA00500@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Reply to RJ about Re: Underground Zero >> Hi Hawkfans and Cultists, >> >> I was just listening to the 'Best of Hawkwind friends and relations', >> a rather fine compendium (Is that Psy Power the same as the one on >> 'This is Hawkwind, Do not panic'?). I was wondering, what relation did >> Underground Zero (Canes Venatici) have to Hawkwind? The net seems >> rather sparse on info on this band, so I presume that they are now >> dormant or defunct, but I would like to know what else of their >> material is still available. >> >> >i may be wrong, but i THINK this is moorcock's daughters' band. >im sure someone will be kind enuff to correct me if i am... rj No it's not, sorry! The only connection I know off is that Dave Brock liked them and they are very Hawkwind sounding. Moorcock's daughters were in a band called Speed Queens some years back but the last I heard they weren't doing anything musical recently. As far as I know, Speed Queens never released anything. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Feb 13 22:28:16 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:28:16 +0800 Subject: Underground Zero Message-ID: simon wrote: > > Reply to RJ about Re: Underground Zero > >> Hi Hawkfans and Cultists, > >> > >> I was just listening to the 'Best of Hawkwind friends and relations', > >> a rather fine compendium (Is that Psy Power the same as the one on > >> 'This is Hawkwind, Do not panic'?). I was wondering, what relation did > >> Underground Zero (Canes Venatici) have to Hawkwind? The net seems > >> rather sparse on info on this band, so I presume that they are now > >> dormant or defunct, but I would like to know what else of their > >> material is still available. > >> > >> > > >i may be wrong, but i THINK this is moorcock's daughters' band. > >im sure someone will be kind enuff to correct me if i am... rj > > No it's not, sorry! The only connection I know off is that Dave Brock liked > them and they are very Hawkwind sounding. > > Moorcock's daughters were in a band called Speed Queens some years back but > the last I heard they weren't doing anything musical recently. As far as I > know, Speed Queens never released anything. > There is some info in an issue of HawkFan, which I'll copy for you all over the next few days. I do know they recorded some stuff with Nik Turner as a guest. William From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Feb 14 00:38:57 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 06:38:57 +0100 Subject: HW: Barney Bubbles Message-ID: take a peek at this URL if you're interested in Barney, http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/friends/barney.html \\joe From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Fri Feb 14 08:43:43 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:43:43 -0000 Subject: OFF: Not PC Message-ID: Not very PC I'm afraid, but it made me laugh: Two cannibals, a father and son, were elected by the tribe to go out and get something to eat. They walked deep into the jungle and waited by a path. Before long, along came a little old man. The son said, "Oh dad, there's one." "No," said the father. "There's not enough meat on that one to even feed the dogs. We'll just wait." Well, a little while later, along came a really fat man. The son said, "Hey dad, he's plenty big enough." "No," the father said. "We'd all die of a heart attack from the fat in that one. We'll just wait." About an hour later, there came this absolutely gorgeous woman. The son said, "Now there's nothing wrong with that one dad. Let's eat her." "No," said the father. "We'll not eat her either." "Why not?" asked the son. "Because, we're going to take her back alive, and eat your mother." From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Fri Feb 14 13:08:23 1997 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:08:23 -0800 Subject: re re HW: HAWKWIND tapes Message-ID: >You should avoid sending stuff like this to the list. I personally don't >care, but some other subscribers have a hard time downloading such files and >it can cost them a lot of money, in some cases. >>>Are you joking???? What kind of old fashioned modem do you use ? Also, people who don't use DOS/windows based computers, cant use such files. The modem is not to blame. http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ ??????????????????????????????? spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Feb 14 15:28:52 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:28:52 -0600 Subject: re re HW: HAWKWIND tapes In-Reply-To: Baron Bloom "re re HW: HAWKWIND tapes" (Feb 14, 10:08am) Message-ID: Baron Bloom wrote: >You should avoid sending stuff like this to the list. I personally don't > >care, but some other subscribers have a hard time downloading such files and > >it can cost them a lot of money, in some cases. > > >>>Are you joking???? What kind of old fashioned modem do you use ? > > Also, people who don't use DOS/windows based computers, cant use such > files. Just for the record, this is not really true. I use a Sparc10 Solaris (Unix) machine and I have no problems saving, decoding, or opening the files. It is just a matter of having the proper tools. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 OS/2 VirusScan - "Windows found: Remove it? (Y/y)" From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Fri Feb 14 21:13:08 1997 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 21:13:08 -0500 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex, Alien 4 etc. In-Reply-To: <33032AA9.7899@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, William Duffy wrote: > Jeremy R. Horne wrote: > > > > On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, William Duffy wrote: > > > About the only albums that are low on my list, are things like "Text of > > > Festival" & "Bring me the Head of Uri Gagarin", but that's more for the sound quality than > > > anything else. Those albums would be perfect choices to remaster if there was decent > > > recordings of them around. > > > > > > William > > > > > Isn't Text of Festival actually a remaster of "In the Beginning" which I > > have? Now that is some poor sounf quality there *l* > > > As far as I am aware, "Text of Festival" was released first. I don't think any of it's > subsequent re-releases under other names are remasters, with the exception of the remix > of "We Do It" on the recent "Friends & Relations" CD? > I suppose the re-released "...Yuri Gagarin" CD (with the different cover) could be > regarded as a remaster, as I have read that the sound quality is better? > > > William > If it is then the original must be horrendous as I have to struggle just to make out anything recognizable From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Fri Feb 14 18:45:02 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 23:45:02 -0000 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex, Alien 4 etc. Message-ID: > On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, William Duffy wrote: > > > Jeremy R. Horne wrote: Text of Festival actually a remaster of "In the Beginning" which I > > > have? Now that is some poor sounf quality there *l* > > > > > As far as I am aware, "Text of Festival" was released first. I don't think any of it's > > subsequent re-releases under other names are remasters, with the exception of the remix > > of "We Do It" on the recent "Friends & Relations" CD? > > I suppose the re-released "...Yuri Gagarin" CD (with the different cover) could be > > regarded as a remaster, as I have read that the sound quality is better? > > > > > > William > > > If it is then the original must be horrendous as I have to struggle just > to make out anything recognizable yup. the re-release does sound better. i still wouldnt buy it. the original was so bad its funny.. ..unless ya bought it,it's not too funny in that case. rj From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sat Feb 15 08:11:34 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:11:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Calvert/Moorcock demos! Message-ID: Hi netters! I?ve got a question from a good friend in Finland. I sent him a tape (C90) with Calvert on one side and Moorcock on the other. What he (and me) want to know, is the history behind these odd tracks. Moorcock-tracks: Starcruiser, Dodgem dude, ...Rosenstrasse 1992, Good girl bad girl, Time centre, Another quit day in Auschwitz, My new life, Peter the vulture, intro mental, Harlequin. Calvert-tracks: Greenfly & the rose, Lord of the hornets, Revenge, Fascism-futurism, Bugatti, Isadora, Messenger&morpheus, Solstice, Stranger..., Steppenwolf. Some of the tracks are familiar to us but some are not! Thanks in advance Henrik and Santtu -- ========================================================== "A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward from cradle earth to our future in the stars." Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Sat Feb 15 14:18:42 1997 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 11:18:42 -0800 Subject: BOC: Last night's chat In-Reply-To: <199702121415.JAA04042@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > Not too much to report from last night's AOL chat. The only celebrities > in the house were Buck and Albert - no Bloom, Bolle, or Melne. Things > were a bit quiet at times, but I gleaned the following: John- Did Buck or anyone else mention A. Lanier? Last time I saw the boys (Feb. 1) Lanier did not perform due to a flu bug. Hope he is feeling better for the upcoming shows. Skip From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Sat Feb 15 15:30:51 1997 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 15:30:51 -0500 Subject: BOC: Last night's chat Message-ID: >Did Buck or anyone else mention A. Lanier? Last time I saw the boys >(Feb. 1) Lanier did not perform due to a flu bug. Hope he is feeling >better for the upcoming shows. This kind of thing pisses me off. First they keep performing while Eric's voice is shot, and then they go and perform without Alan. If the enire band cant perform then the show show be canceled. We are paying money to see the whole band... From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Sat Feb 15 18:52:01 1997 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 15:52:01 -0800 Subject: BOC: Last night's chat Message-ID: Joseph M. Lofft wrote: > > >Did Buck or anyone else mention A. Lanier? Last time I saw the boys > >(Feb. 1) Lanier did not perform due to a flu bug. Hope he is feeling > >better for the upcoming shows. > > This kind of thing pisses me off. First they keep performing while Eric's > voice is shot, and then they go and perform without Alan. If the enire > band cant perform then the show show be canceled. We are paying money to see > the whole band... Were you at this show? If not, what are you whining about? I was at the show and have no complaints!! From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Feb 15 23:56:30 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 23:56:30 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: JML wrote: >Granted they were not wearing much clothing when the started dancing, and >were wearing even less by the time the song was over, but they WERE dancing. > >My wife worked as an exotic dancer, and Mirrors was on the juke box at her >club. She and several other girls danced to the above listed songs about >2-3 times a week, that I know of. See that album wasn't SO bad after all. My first ex-wife worked as a exotic dancer. Are you still married to yours? Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Feb 15 23:56:58 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 23:56:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: otta here for the week Message-ID: I'm taking off for a week. I'll turn my mail back on next sunday. Al From mlooney at IONET.NET Sun Feb 16 00:11:56 1997 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 23:11:56 -0600 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: At 11:56 PM 2/15/97 -0500, you wrote: >JML wrote: > >>Granted they were not wearing much clothing when the started dancing, and >>were wearing even less by the time the song was over, but they WERE dancing. >> >>My wife worked as an exotic dancer, and Mirrors was on the juke box at her >>club. She and several other girls danced to the above listed songs about >>2-3 times a week, that I know of. > >See that album wasn't SO bad after all. My first ex-wife worked as a exotic >dancer. Are you still married to yours? >Al > Yes, but she dosn't dance any more. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Feb 16 09:47:44 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 14:47:44 +0000 Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: I was just wondering if any of you guys have got any Hawkwind tattoos (Blue Skin?) at all or have you seen any good ones? I met a guy on a small Greek island in '83 who had a great tat of the Doremi logo - the whole bit! I was very enthusiastic about his work of art having just come from Stonehenge. Recently, I was thinking of getting a nice double- headed Hawk, maybe the Live '79 logo. (I've got a splodgy OM sign already, done in '84!) What would you have done, if you were to get a really sharp one? I've been thinking about this for about fifteen years, I think it's safe to say the band aren't going to sell out/turn crap/start wearing matching suits onstage after 27 years! -- Jon Browne From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Sun Feb 16 13:38:23 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 13:38:23 -0500 Subject: HW: Calvert/Moorcock demos! In-Reply-To: <3305B606.6F5D@sundsvall.mail.telia.com> from "Henrik Hallgren" at Feb 15, 97 02:11:34 pm Message-ID: > > Hi netters! > > I?ve got a question from a good friend in Finland. I sent him a tape > (C90) with Calvert on one side and Moorcock on the other. What he (and > me) want to know, is the history behind these odd tracks. > > Moorcock-tracks: Starcruiser, Dodgem dude, ...Rosenstrasse 1992, Good > girl bad girl, Time centre, Another quit day in Auschwitz, My new life, > Peter the vulture, intro mental, Harlequin. dodgem dude/starcruiser was a single on flicknife (also on New Worlds Fair cd rerelease) rosenstrasse/good girl bad girl/at the time centre/another quiet day at auschwitz was released as a cassette ep on Cyborg 1992 my new life/peter/intro mental/harlequin--?? don't know but very curious, could you post some lyrics perhaps? --dave From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Sun Feb 16 14:48:24 1997 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 10:48:24 -0900 Subject: HW Tattoos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > I was just wondering if any of you guys have got any Hawkwind tattoos Be careful because tattoos are a known vector for the Hepatitis virus. (not to mention AIDS...) This is the only reason I am against piercing, tattooing, etc. Make sure the parlour you go to is completely safe and the equipment is sterile. Even then, you're still taking a slight risk (some of these virii can live on instruments for up to 15 minutes, and even bleach doesn't kill them). -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Mon Feb 17 04:52:37 1997 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 09:52:37 GMT Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: William Fuller wrote: > On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > > I was just wondering if any of you guys have got any Hawkwind tattoos > > Be careful because tattoos are a known vector for the Hepatitis virus. > (not to mention AIDS...) This is the only reason I am against piercing, > tattooing, etc. Make sure the parlour you go to is completely safe and the > equipment is sterile. Even then, you're still taking a slight risk (some > of these virii can live on instruments for up to 15 minutes, and even > bleach doesn't kill them). All decent tattoo and piercing studios use autoclaves to sterilise their equipment and a new needle for each customer. If you're paranoid you can ask them to take the needle out of the vaccuum pack in front of you. If a tattooist infects his/her customers then they'll quickly go out of business so they take precautions! BTW in the UK many body artists are registered with the Dept of Health. I don't know what the registration process involves but that contrasts with the US where they self-regulate via some sort of *professional* organisation. For more information on getting and keeping tats or pierces see the rec.arts.bodyart FAQ. As for what HW tat I'd get well... more thought required but as a first pass what about the HW logo from SA/CYM? Chris From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 17 05:59:13 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 02:59:13 -0800 Subject: OFF:Moorcock novels...(edited by) Message-ID: Just harking back a couple of days, I don't know the Elric/EC anthologies of others work with MM characters, but WAY back when, MM made Jerry Cornelius a sort of public-domain character among the stable of "New Worlds" writers, and there's a wonderful anthology of these called "The Nature of The Catastrophe", recently re-published with a lot of more recent Cornelius bits & pieces added to it. Not a lot of interest if you're only into the mainstream Elric/Hawkmoon/Corum/Erekose stuff, but IMHO the Cornelius stuff is his best work!! Cheers, ChrisW OBservation: Watch out for my needle-gun :-{)> --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 17 06:09:31 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 11:09:31 GMT Subject: HW: Calvert/Moorcock demos! In-Reply-To: Henrik Hallgren's message of Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:11:34 +0100 Message-ID: Henrik Hallgren writes: > Hi netters! > > Ive got a question from a good friend in Finland. I sent him a tape > (C90) with Calvert on one side and Moorcock on the other. What he (and > me) want to know, is the history behind these odd tracks. > > Moorcock-tracks: Starcruiser, Dodgem dude, ...Rosenstrasse 1992, Good > girl bad girl, Time centre, Another quit day in Auschwitz, My new life, > Peter the vulture, intro mental, Harlequin. Could be some stuff from the cassettes that Adrian Shaw released. The last four look like they're possibly from a well known tape that Moorcock himself released to various fans. > > Calvert-tracks: Greenfly & the rose, Lord of the hornets, Revenge, > Fascism-futurism, Bugatti, Isadora, Messenger&morpheus, Solstice, > Stranger..., Steppenwolf. Some of these are from Adrian Wagner's LP "Distances Between Us". FoFP From OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Feb 17 07:59:55 1997 From: OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU (OzHawks) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 22:59:55 +1000 Subject: HW: Codex Booklet Message-ID: OK Guys n Gals, The "Hawkwind Codex and Discography" booklet is now available. Created in 1993 by members of the BOC-L mailing list, this essential Hawkwind Reference has been massaged into A5 booklet form, with a neat colour cover and almost professionally bound. Aarggh - I sound like a Home Shopping Program!!!! Anyway, The cost to get them made is just under $A10, so that's what I'm charging you if you want a copy (plus P&P). The few cents leftover will help pay for future issues of the "Flying Doctor". P&P Rates are $A1.25 to anywhere in Vic, Aust, $A1.50 anywhere else. O/S P&P is $A4.70 to the US, and $A5.30 to Europe I'll accept whatever sort of payment you can manage, but prefer either Bank Cheques or Money Orders (anything else you would have to wait until it clears.) Yours in Space, Paul/Sonique -- OzHawks The Australian Hawkwind Appreciation Society PO Box 884 Mail us an SAE for our free newsletter Mt Waverley "The Flying Doctor" VIC, 3149 http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks Australia mailto:OzHawks at pcmicro.com.au From christmu at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Mon Feb 17 08:28:27 1997 From: christmu at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (christmu at LOGIN.EUNET.NO) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 14:28:27 +0100 Subject: Martin - dench - Imaginos? Message-ID: >Hi boc-l folks! > >Here I am paying some two-bit shyster place to get online.... I need to get >ahold of Martin - or 'dench' - in the UK -I have an Imaginos CD for you as >Another one? I already got mine from you in a trade. What'd you do, get a >crate of them? I got friends in high places... seriously, there's tons of BOC stuff up here in Oslo, and recently there's been a series of cheap dutch comps flooding the stores, one of them a BOC one... it's got a 'TV mix' of DFtR and Godzilla, whatever that may be.... I also saw Club Ninja in the bargain bin if anyone is interested.... Does anyone know about this dench/Martin fellow? I'm in digest mode, so please e-mail me if yer there Martin! (if not Imaginos will be up for grabs in a couple of weeks...) Infrequently, Christian christmu at login.eunet.no From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Mon Feb 17 08:52:14 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 14:52:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Calvert/Moorcock demos Message-ID: Hi Dave and others as well! Sorry, but I don?t have any lyrics (except those available on the net) although the tracks are great. I had almost forgotten the tape until Santtu (Dark sun) got a copy from me and asked about it. Perhaps someone else got the lyrics? If I?m not mistaken I got the tape from UK last year. Take care Henrik -- ========================================================== "A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward from cradle earth to our future in the stars." Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 17 09:13:06 1997 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 14:13:06 GMT Subject: Got my Hawkwind Ticket :-) Message-ID: Got my ticket for 28/10/97 at Wolverhampton Civic Hall. Also I'm taking 2 new converts to the gig, should be fun. Only it's a long wait.... Derrick... --------------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day Sky High and Six Thousand Miles Away Don't Know How Long I've Been Awake Wound Up in an Amazing State "Kilminster" --------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 17 06:11:49 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 11:11:49 +0000 Subject: HW Tattoos In-Reply-To: <199702170952.JAA20593@teak.shu.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <199702170952.JAA20593 at teak.shu.ac.uk>, Chris Bates writes >As for what HW tat I'd get well... more thought required but as a first >pass what about the HW logo from SA/CYM? > > >Chris Yeah, that's a good one. I like the HW logo on the OzHawks page too... -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 17 09:43:45 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 14:43:45 +0000 Subject: Got my Hawkwind Ticket :-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Derrick Chilton writes >Got my ticket for 28/10/97 at Wolverhampton Civic Hall. >Also I'm taking 2 new converts to the gig, should be fun. >Only it's a long wait.... > - R U Sirius? They're on sale *that* far in advance? I'm still hoping for something a bit sooner myself. And a bit more "outdoors" :) -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 17 09:46:30 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 14:46:30 +0000 Subject: HW: Calvert/Moorcock demos! In-Reply-To: <9702171109.aa28956@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9702171109.aa28956 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >Some of these are from Adrian Wagner's LP "Distances Between Us". > >FoFP Is this still available? I'm going through a bit of a Bob-centric phase at the moment! -- Jon Browne OBcd's : PXR5, Quark and Amazing Sounds. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Feb 17 10:19:45 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 10:19:45 -0500 Subject: BOC: Last night's chat Message-ID: > This kind of thing pisses me off. First they keep performing while Eric's voice is shot, Well, it's been bad for a few months, despite them letting him rest it a bit. Although, based on the amount of Eric singing in the current sets, it might be getting a little better. None-the-less, at least we get to hear Buck sing a bunch of songs, rather than them trying to force Eric to sing his usual allottment with his current condition. >and then they go and perform without Alan. That's Allen. Now, normally I wouldn't be pointing that out, but there were a few AOL folks (I won't mention the "B-name" here ;-) ) who were rather ripped about the recent article in "Seconds" magazine because they mis-spelled Allen's name as "Alan". Seems like an honest mistake to me, but some consider that very insulting to not know how to spell someone's name. Personally, I don't think it's that big a deal - and MANY have mis-spelled my last name as "Schwartz" - I correct them when they do, but I'm not insulted. >If the enire band cant perform then the show show be canceled. Well, that's certainly one valid point of view. On the other hand, there's the theory that "the show must go on", and I think people who had planned to go to the show would've been bummed if the show was cancelled - that is, some would prefer to see BOC without Allen than no BOC at all. On the other hand, when playing for clubs, BOC may not have the power to decide not to play a particular gig once they've committed to it (especially if they ever want to play there again in the future). >We are paying money to see the whole band... O.K., I can't resist saying this . . . then they gotta bring the Bouchard brothers back too ... ;-) On a more serious note, does BOC get paid less if one of the members doesn't show up for a gig? Somehow I doubt it, but using Joe's logic, maybe they shouldn't, and maybe the customers should get a few bucks back on their ticket . . . Just a thought. John From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Mon Feb 17 10:24:11 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 15:24:11 GMT Subject: Got my Hawkwind Ticket :-): - Have they been anounced? Message-ID: Derrick said: >Got my ticket for 28/10/97 at Wolverhampton Civic Hall. >Also I'm taking 2 new converts to the gig, should be fun. >Only it's a long wait.... Hi Have the tour dates been aocuned for UK? if so where I can I find them (I'm not a maeber of any fan clubs, zines etc.). And are they palying any where in sussex or Oxordshire? Timothy Fintan Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com "I like all music providing it's Blues, Status Quo, Hawkwind, AC/DC" (Timmy) ***************************************************************************** * Oxygen 107.9 - It's here so come to oxford. Playing best music and talk * ***************************************************************************** * Talk Radio - Free call 0500 105389. You can't all live in oxford * * so try it. No music. It play's people, people means callers + guests * * Recommended is Tommy Boyd and James Whale * ***************************************************************************** From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Mon Feb 17 11:21:51 1997 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (ALFRED'S ON FLAME WITH ROCK 'N' ROLL) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 11:21:51 EST Subject: BOC: Binghamton Show 2/16 Message-ID: I drove 2 hrs to see BOC in a snowstorm, but it was well worth it. I arrived at the Strike Zone during the opening "'80s Metal" band's last number. Thank you Torgo for the directions! Sorry I didn't get to see you to thank you in person. Here's the setlist: Stairway to the Stars Before the Kiss E.T.I. The Vigil Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie Cities On Flame In Thee Live For Me Last Days of May Burnin' For You Godzilla Reaper Encore: Golden Age of Leather Red & The Black I'm not 100% sure about the order. The Strike Zone was an extremely small club, and there couldn't have been much more than 150 people there. The good thing that came of this was that the sound was 10x better than at the Utica gig. I could hear Eric more easily, and Buck's guitar sounded stronger (on the whole) than in Utica. Eric mentioned the new album, but did not say when it would be released. The Vigil and Golden Age came off extremely well. I had never heard Golden Age live before, so that pretty much blew me away. Live For Me sounded stronger than in Utica, and the response to the new songs was decent. John Michelli filled in on drums again (as in Utica), and played really well with the group. I like Michelli better than O'Reilly based on the recent gigs I've seen- I've never seen them play with Chuck Burgi. Theo, Torgo? Anything to add? I want my BOC, Brian From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Mon Feb 17 11:30:15 1997 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 16:30:15 -0000 Subject: Got my Hawkwind Ticket :-) Message-ID: Did I miss something ? Is there a UK tour schedlued? Is there a scotish leg ? Help I'm bewildered .............. Andy C ---------- From: Derrick Chilton Sent: 17 February 1997 14:13 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Got my Hawkwind Ticket :-) Got my ticket for 28/10/97 at Wolverhampton Civic Hall. Also I'm taking 2 new converts to the gig, should be fun. Only it's a long wait.... 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I was in Amsterdam in '93 for week or so and went into the Hanky Panky tattoo museum there (they do Euro-hell's angels and have done stuff for the Red Hot Chilli Peppers so I assumed they knew what they were doing). Whilst browsing through their catalogues I came accross a south-American indian design called Hawikuh which is a bizarre drawing of a Hawk in a circle with "bowls" of flames at the end of it's wings. I thought it was cool so I had it done there and then. While I don't regret having it done and still like the picture, I think the artist rushed it too much and has made a few mistakes. One day I intend getting it improved a bit, but I haven't got round to it yet. cheers - Rob From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Mon Feb 17 14:35:21 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 13:35:21 CST Subject: Moorcock demos Message-ID: Mike Holmes writes: >>What he (and >> me) want to know, is the history behind these odd tracks. > >> Moorcock-tracks: Starcruiser, Dodgem dude, ...Rosenstrasse 1992, Good >> girl bad girl, Time centre, Another quit day in Auschwitz, My new life, >> Peter the vulture, intro mental, Harlequin. > >Could be some stuff from the cassettes that Adrian Shaw released. The >last four look like they're possibly from a well known tape that >Moorcock himself released to various fans. Nope, the last four are not on the tape that MM distributed @ DragonCon in 1987 (or '90, whichever year it was--they all blur together after awhile ;-> So Henrik, naturally, I as well as Dave Cohen, would be interested in copies, if at all possible! Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com "When you're hiding 29 / you know it ain't a crime / to burn a little brighter now" -- "Torch Song," Marillion From asg at IMAGINET.FR Mon Feb 17 14:54:40 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 20:54:40 +0100 Subject: BOC: Last night's chat Message-ID: >On a more serious note, does BOC get paid less if one of the members >doesn't show up for a gig? Somehow I doubt it, but using Joe's logic, >maybe they shouldn't, and maybe the customers should get a few bucks >back on their ticket . . . Just a thought. Right. Like they should fix a price per band member, that would make it easier to refund people when one or more member isn't available ! Seems kinda pointless to me, really :-o I'm not a number ! I'm a human being... ;-) Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From ABrevard at SHL.COM Mon Feb 17 15:57:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 14:57:00 -0600 Subject: BOC: CD the Pact Message-ID: Manuel writes>. Foghat will have a new product out by the time the tour starts; Foghat Live II. Pat Travers has had new discs of new material for the past 5 yrs ( 5 cds in 5 yrs!!), and Steppenwolf has a greatest hits/live package out (or soon to be out). This leaves us with BOC. What if they have no new product to promote? Will it matter? My guess is that it will not impact ticket sales, but a new cd will certainly not hurt their cause." No it won't hurt ticket sales but will weaken any case they may make to the other bands to appear on stage last. Looks like they will open every set. Geez if Steppenwolf can get something out there BOC should be able to. Manuel>"I believe that perhaps 1997 will be a make or break year for BOC. I wish them the best. I hope the disc comes out, sells well, and the tour pulls in the fans. This is their 25th Anniversary!! I, however, am realistic that patterns of the past may sabotage their own cause once again." I would agree with this. If they cannot get this thing out or at least provide some substantial evidence as to why not they could alienate even us cyber fans to the point where we no longer care. I hope its a big year for them. As for the Pact - can we agree to leave the subject of the new cd alone until someone actually see's this thing either a) advertised b) in the store, or c) available at shows? Sorry but the new cd is comming/delayed again is getting rather stale. lil ab obcd - Fates Warning - No Exit From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Mon Feb 17 14:56:13 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 14:56:13 -0500 Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: There was a time when I had considered getting the picture of Elric the enchanter from the Chronicle booklet that is chock full of wild designs. What about the alien 4 art? or even something like the cover of Queens of Deleria or m. butterworths "Edge of darkness" or even the HW log that was in the box set.... The ideas are endless... peace bryan From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 17 15:49:54 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 20:49:54 GMT Subject: HW: Calvert/Moorcock demos! In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Mon, 17 Feb 1997 14:46:30 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In message <9702171109.aa28956 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes > writes > >Some of these are from Adrian Wagner's LP "Distances Between Us". > > > >FoFP > > Is this still available? I'm going through a bit of a Bob-centric phase > at the moment! I've recently seen a flyer from a mail order company offering all Adrian Wagner's stuff on CD. Damned if I can remember who though. I'd give Ande Garibaldi a call at C&D records. He'll be able to get it for you. FoFP From chrisr at TIAC.NET Mon Feb 17 22:06:49 1997 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 19:06:49 -0800 Subject: HW: Tattoos Message-ID: Hi there. I have a tattoo on my left leg that goes from just above the knee to just below the hip. It is certainly Hawkwind influenced, but is not a logo or album art. It is based on the song, "Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear In Smoke)". I have had it for a number of years. It shows a bearded oriental warlord with colorful robes and all, with a sword in one hand, and the other hand is outsretched, with a ball of flame and smoke emanating from the palm. I received the tattoo in New Hampshire circa 1989. Thanks, Chris From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Mon Feb 17 14:43:27 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 19:43:27 -0000 Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: > All decent tattoo and piercing studios use autoclaves to sterilise > their equipment and a new needle for each customer. If you're paranoid > you can ask them to take the needle out of the vaccuum pack in front > of you. If a tattooist infects his/her customers then they'll quickly > go out of business so they take precautions! > > BTW in the UK many body artists are registered with the Dept of Health. > I don't know what the registration process involves but that contrasts > with the US where they self-regulate via some sort of *professional* > organisation. as possessor of >too< many tattoos, i still havent got a hw one.i am considering turning the harley davidson wings across my back into the two headed hawk. the thing is,i really grew to hate my tats before i was >that< interested in hw.but i am thinking of some cover-work. im no lawyer, but last i , it was law in usa that a tattooist must use a new set of points each customer,each sitting. the way i hear it, a whispered word will get the health department involved in a big way. i dunno. i would definitely insist on seeing the seal broken on the points they use. i used to draw 'flash' (the samples they hang on the walls) for this guy,and he later was closed down for inflicting hepatitis A,i think, (the least serious one),on multiple customers.(it was right outside an army fort.) I do have a couple BOC tats tho. the reaper with the symbol used by boc on its forehead, and a symbolic doodling incorporating the blacksword,a scythe,a chalice,a lightning bolt, and the words veteran of the psychic wars.. please bear in mind i was a semi psychotic teenager in the army at the time...;) > As for what HW tat I'd get well... more thought required but as a first > pass what about the HW logo from SA/CYM? > > i myself would prefer non-defined symbolism. something that would only be guessed at by another fan. rj > Chris From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Mon Feb 17 14:44:58 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 19:44:58 -0000 Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: > come from Stonehenge. Recently, I was thinking of getting a nice double- > headed Hawk, maybe the Live '79 logo. (I've got a splodgy OM sign > already, done in '84!) What would you have done, if you were to get a > really sharp one? I've been thinking about this for about fifteen years, > I think it's safe to say the band aren't going to sell out/turn > crap/start wearing matching suits onstage after 27 years! > -- > Jon Browne lets just hope retirement is a distant option.... rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Mon Feb 17 14:48:30 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 19:48:30 -0000 Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: > I haven't actually got a hawkwind tat per se, but HW did play > a major role in my choice of picture. > I was in Amsterdam in '93 for week or so and went into the > Hanky Panky tattoo museum there (they do Euro-hell's angels > and have done stuff for the Red Hot Chilli Peppers so I > assumed they knew what they were doing). > Whilst browsing through their catalogues I came accross a > south-American indian design called Hawikuh which is a bizarre > drawing of a Hawk in a circle with "bowls" of flames at the end > of it's wings. I thought it was cool so I had it done there and > then. if it soars like a hawk,looks like a hawk....its a hawk.. i'd say ya got a hawkwind tattoo. i have many things in my home with hawk design,and much of it is american indian... > While I don't regret having it done and still like the > picture, I think the artist rushed it too much and has made > a few mistakes. One day I intend getting it improved a bit, > but I haven't got round to it yet. the story of my life... rj > cheers - Rob From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Mon Feb 17 14:51:06 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 19:51:06 -0000 Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: > There was a time when I had considered getting the picture of > Elric the enchanter from the Chronicle booklet that is chock full of > wild designs. What about the alien 4 art? or even something like the cover of > Queens of Deleria or m. butterworths "Edge of darkness" or even the HW log > that was in the box set.... > The ideas are endless... > peace > bryan wouldn't it suck to find out your skin was a copyright violation? ;) rj From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Feb 17 22:17:04 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:17:04 +1000 Subject: HW: Calvert/Moorcock demos! Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Jon Browne writes: > > > In message <9702171109.aa28956 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes > > writes > > >Some of these are from Adrian Wagner's LP "Distances Between Us". > > > > > >FoFP > > > > Is this still available? I'm going through a bit of a Bob-centric phase > > at the moment! > > I've recently seen a flyer from a mail order company offering all Adrian > Wagner's stuff on CD. Damned if I can remember who though. I'd give Ande > Garibaldi a call at C&D records. He'll be able to get it for you. > > FoFP I've got two of the Wagner/Calvert songs on tape - Stranger in a Strange Land & Steppenwolf (origional version), if people wish to copy them. Those last few Moorcock titles are unfamiliar to me, too, and so I'm naturaly interested, too. - Max Wilcox From stayer at PI.NET Mon Feb 17 23:46:26 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 20:46:26 -0800 Subject: BOC: Binghamton Show 2/16 Message-ID: Brian wrote: > I drove 2 hrs to see BOC in a snowstorm Er, I would drive 2 hrs to see BOC play in a snowstorm as well... :-) > Burnin' For You, Godzilla, Reaper In a row? Hm, great idea - time enough to get some beers... Jerry ___________________________________________ "if hate and war could solve anything don't you think they'd solved it a long time ago?" - Geoff Mann in "Sequences" (Twelfth Night) From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Feb 18 03:27:28 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 01:27:28 -0700 Subject: Moorcock demos Message-ID: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: > > Mike Holmes writes: > > >>What he (and > >> me) want to know, is the history behind these odd tracks. > > > >> Moorcock-tracks: Starcruiser, Dodgem dude, ...Rosenstrasse 1992, Good > >> girl bad girl, Time centre, Another quit day in Auschwitz, My new > life, > >> Peter the vulture, intro mental, Harlequin. Hi! I have a copy of "Good Girl, Bad Girl" on a comp tape a friend made for me.I think "Time Centre" is there as well. I'm really curious about the others mentioned here, sooo... I'd be interested in a copy as well!! Lemme know if a blank is cool to send(+postage!) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: On 17 Feb 97 at 11:11, Jon Browne wrote: > In message <199702170952.JAA20593 at teak.shu.ac.uk>, Chris Bates > writes > >As for what HW tat I'd get well... more thought required but as a first > >pass what about the HW logo from SA/CYM? > > > > > >Chris > > Yeah, that's a good one. I like the HW logo on the OzHawks page too... Didja hear that BB? Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 18 07:18:23 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:18:23 +0000 Subject: Got my Hawkwind Ticket :-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Derrick Chilton wrote: > Got my ticket for 28/10/97 at Wolverhampton Civic Hall. > Also I'm taking 2 new converts to the gig, should be fun. > Only it's a long wait.... You mean the tour dates are set? Where are these? I can't find them on `Welcome to the Future'. Can somebody post them for a poor under- informed Hawkfan? Yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 18 07:26:19 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:26:19 +0000 Subject: BOC: Last night's chat In-Reply-To: <199702171519.KAA20260@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > >We are paying money to see > the whole band... > > O.K., I can't resist saying this . . . then they gotta bring the > Bouchard brothers back too ... ;-) Oh, come on, John; how hard does Danny have to _do_ those bass soloes before we rate him as part of `the band'? Of course, I'm biased because he came and talked to us after the London gig, but he's still pretty damn good. Yours, Jazza (not being quite as serious as that might sound) /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 18 06:45:01 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 07:45:01 EDT Subject: BOC: Binghamton Show 2/16 Message-ID: > From: Jerry > Brian wrote: > > I drove 2 hrs to see BOC in a snowstorm > > Er, I would drive 2 hrs to see BOC play in a snowstorm as well... :-) > > > Burnin' For You, Godzilla, Reaper > > In a row? Hm, great idea - time enough to get some beers... > > Jerry Right, and there was a nice little Italian restaurant next door where I waited out the opening act and enjoyed cheap beer, thus saving my money and my eardrums! theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 18 08:08:44 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 08:08:44 -0500 Subject: BOC: Last night's chat Message-ID: >> O.K., I can't resist saying this . . . then they gotta bring the > Bouchard brothers back too ... ;-) Oh, come on, John; how hard does Danny have to _do_ those bass soloes before we rate him as part of `the band'? Of course, I'm biased because he came and talked to us after the London gig, but he's still pretty damn good. Hey, it was a just a smart-assed remark on my part. Yes, Danny is a member of the band as far as I'm concerned (bass solos or not) - I've seen him live and he's excellent - in some ways no one will ever replace Joe (or Albert) Bouchard for me, but my comment was not meant to imply that Danny isn't the real bassplayer. Sorry if anyone took my comment that way. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 18 08:20:09 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 08:20:09 -0500 Subject: BOC: CD the Pact Message-ID: >As for the Pact - can we agree to leave the subject of the new cd alone until someone actually see's this thing either a) advertised b) in the store, or c) available at shows? Sorry but the new cd is comming/delayed again is getting rather stale. It's a good idea, but... 1) There's little else new in BOC to talk about 2) My guess is you'll see little advertisement even when it is out 3) If/when it does come out, depending on distribution, it will be available by other means long before it's available at your local record store Personally, I'd like to wait to pass judgement a bit longer as the band is presumably going to finish mixing next month according to Buck. The band is presumably working on a distribution deal, but if I don't hear word of any progress by April (BTW, the band is saying the album is now expected in May or June), I'm going to start getting worried/depressed/ upset. But, other than reporting any progress I hear on the album, I don't think there's much more that I want to say on the subject for, let's say the next six weeks - we'll see what happens when Easter comes ... John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 18 09:20:51 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:20:51 EDT Subject: BOC: Binghamton Show 2/16 Message-ID: > From: "ALFRED'S ON FLAME WITH ROCK 'N' ROLL" > I drove 2 hrs to see BOC in a snowstorm, but it was well worth it. I arrived > at the Strike Zone during the opening "'80s Metal" band's last number. Thank > you Torgo for the directions! Sorry I didn't get to see you to thank you in > person. Here's the setlist: > Yeah, the drive down [and back] was something else. I almost didn't go, but I too am glad I did. And I offer my thanks as well to Torgo for directions. If I hadn't had them I might not have made it there. I figured the drive for a little over an hour, so I could just as easily have missed the show. I called the bar, and they said BOC would be on at 930, which was in fact the time the opening band went on. So by the time BOC was done, I didn't get home til 315am! [set list ommitted] >> > I'm not 100% sure about the order. The Strike Zone was an extremely small club, > and there couldn't have been much more than 150 people there. The good thing > The sel list was correct. I'd estimate the crowd a little bigger than you did, but not much. Maybe 250 tops. It WAS a shitty night, and there was a concert at the auditorium with Marshall Tucker. That had to have kept the crowd down. And because of the snow, it's likely a lot of out-of-towners didn't make the trip... that came of this was that the sound was 10x better than at the Utica gig. I > could hear Eric more easily, and Buck's guitar sounded stronger (on the whole) > than in Utica. Eric mentioned the new album, but did not say when it would be > released. The Vigil and Golden Age came off extremely well. I had never heard > Golden Age live before, so that pretty much blew me away. Live For Me sounded > stronger than in Utica, and the response to the new songs was decent. John > Michelli filled in on drums again (as in Utica), and played really well with > the group. I like Michelli better than O'Reilly based on the recent gigs I've > seen- I've never seen them play with Chuck Burgi. > > Theo, Torgo? Anything to add? > > I want my BOC, > Brian WEll, let's see. The opening act, Castle Black, were kind of pathetic. These were guys that were too old to be doing what they were doing, basically. And they were good musicians, very good really. They should be playing originals, or at least cool cover material. They played all this 80s bullshit heavy metal/hair band stuff. Really good guitar player, but he looked like an idiot, with this big teased hair thing sticking straight up in the air. Sad thing, he obviously thought he looked amazing, but would've looked like a putz 10 years ago. His girlfriend's probably a hairdresser. Anyway, as I said, after a couple of songs, I went next door and enjoyed some peace and quiet and put myself in the mood for BOC. My timing was perfect, as I left the bar and went next door to find the front band had finished, and BOC was ready to play momentarily. So I went outside and adjusted my attitude a bit and headed back in. less than 5 minutes passed, and the cool instrumental tunes came on. The band kicked off quickly instead of tweaking their gear for ten minutes as usual. The sound was pretty good. Not as ear-splitting as Utica, and a pretty good mix. The club is small, and on one level, so all I could really see was the band member's faces, as I didn't want to mosh it out up front. Still, I was only 15-20 feet from the stage. Personally, I thought BD played much better in Utica, but he was still excellent. Could be the long time between gigs made my impressions of Utica seem better than it really was. Best news of all: EB seemed a lot better. He was still weak, but showed a little more vocal power, and his on-stage rap was much cooler, and he looked healthier. His beard is a different color than the hair on his head [gray, I guess] and makes him look a little funky. Ravages of age, I guess. Age seems to have no effect on BD. He's disgusting: in good shape, has all his hair, and looks ten years younger than he is. EB played a lot of keyboards, not too much guitar, and still had BD and Danny backing him up a lot. Still, overall impression of EB was good... Danny IS a member of the band, and he's a fine bassist and singer too. Time will tell if he can make a contribution to the band's songwriting. The new material went over well, and sounded great. It is a little lightweight, I think, in the fine BD tradition of BFY and Flat Out. Same two tunes as last time: Harvest and Live. I'd have like to hear some other stuff. The crowd was into it. AFter DFtR, the crowd chanted BOC! BOC! and got a decent encore: Golden Age is a song I've only heard a couple times, and I loved it. A fine rendition, as was the Vigil, another surprise... I don't see how the band can make any money playing gigs like this, or the bar either. There had to be twice as many people in Utica. They charged 17 bucks a head, but there couldn't have been too many more than 250 people there, if that. Still, a fine experience, though I could've done without the shitty weather and the front band... From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Tue Feb 18 11:00:05 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:00:05 CST Subject: Moorcock demos Message-ID: Alas, Pam, I don't have these demos--yet ;-> They seem to be in Henrik's friend's collection. But by now I'm sure he knows we're all drooling over them, and will be in touch soon? (please ;-) Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 1997 2:47 AM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: Moorcock demos Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: > > Mike Holmes writes: > > >>What he (and > >> me) want to know, is the history behind these odd tracks. > > > >> Moorcock-tracks: Starcruiser, Dodgem dude, ...Rosenstrasse 1992, Good > >> girl bad girl, Time centre, Another quit day in Auschwitz, My new > life, > >> Peter the vulture, intro mental, Harlequin. Hi! I have a copy of "Good Girl, Bad Girl" on a comp tape a friend made for me.I think "Time Centre" is there as well. I'm really curious about the others mentioned here, sooo... I'd be interested in a copy as well!! Lemme know if a blank is cool to send(+postage!) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Henrik writes: > I've got a question from a good friend in Finland. I sent him a tape > (C90) with Calvert on one side and Moorcock on the other. What he (and > me) want to know, is the history behind these odd tracks. Dave Cohen answered the following: >>Moorcock-tracks: > dodgem dude/starcruiser was a single on flicknife > (also on New Worlds Fair cd rerelease) > rosenstrasse/good girl bad girl/at the time centre/another > quiet day at auschwitz was released as a cassette ep on > Cyborg 1992 "At the Time Centre" was also on the Flicknife "Best of HW, F.& R." CD where it is listed as merely "Time Centre". > my new life/peter/intro mental/harlequin--?? I am aware of a Moorcock track entitled "Harlequin's Birthplace". As I recall this title is used on one of several songs Moorcock created for a musical work of "Glorianna". I'm sure a more knowledgable M.M.-afficionado could verify or provide more details. Other songs for "Glorianna" possibly included: John Dee's Song Quire's Song Ingleborough, Glorianna, Montfalcon No specific HW connection that I am aware of. >>Calvert-tracks: Greenfly & the rose, Lord of the hornets, This is possibly the 7" single. If so, it was recently re-released as 2 bonus tracks on Cleopatra Records' "Freq" CD. >Revenge, Fascism-futurism, These are the songs from Calvert's "Revenge" private-release cassette. This also had a Pete Pavli electronic noodling on the other side of the 20min cassette, if I remember right. Except I believe that the song "Facism" is actually titled "Racism"... >Bugatti, Isadora, Messenger&morpheus, Solstice, Stranger..., These are new to me. %^/ >Steppenwolf. I imagine that this is the Calvert/Adrian Parr demo of "Steppenwolf"? Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 18 07:07:30 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:07:30 +0000 Subject: HW: Tattoos In-Reply-To: <33091CC9.74EC@tiac.net> Message-ID: In message <33091CC9.74EC at tiac.net>, Chris Raymond writes >Hi there. I have a tattoo on my left leg that goes from just above the >knee to just below the hip. It is certainly Hawkwind influenced, but is >not a logo or album art. It is based on the song, "Psychedelic Warlords >(Disappear In Smoke)". I have had it for a number of years. It shows a >bearded oriental warlord with colorful robes and all, with a sword in >one hand, and the other hand is outsretched, with a ball of flame and >smoke emanating from the palm. I received the tattoo in New Hampshire >circa 1989. Thanks, Chris Wow! You haven't a jpg of it you could e-mail, have you?! -- Jon Browne From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Feb 18 13:04:16 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:04:16 +0100 Subject: Calvert/Moorcock demos. Message-ID: Tjenare! (as we say in Sweden) Thanks for all the info about the "odd" tracks from Robert Calvert and Mike Moorcock. Wouldn?t it be nice to have them on a CD sometime with a comprehensive booklet from a label we all now? Concerning the tape, is it possible to send one copy to Allan T Grohe for distribution within USA and one copy to Australia? I suppose Pam also live in the states? It?s so expensive to send parcels abroad unfortunately. Cheers Henrik -- ========================================================== "A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward from cradle earth to our future in the stars." Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Feb 18 12:06:14 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:06:14 -0700 Subject: Moorcock demos Message-ID: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: > > Alas, Pam, I don't have these demos--yet ;-> They seem to be in > Henrik's friend's collection. But by now I'm sure he knows we're all > drooling over them, and will be in touch soon? (please ;-) > > Allan. > Bummer-lemme know when you do! :) Pam > ************ -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Hey, I almost forgot. I caught a clear, unobstructed view of EB without his shades on the other night. He was seated at the keyboards station and took them off for about a minute, aparently to check something out on the rig. Looks just like a regular person, I'm afraid... theo From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 18 06:40:35 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:40:35 +0000 Subject: HW: Calvert/Moorcock demos! In-Reply-To: <9702172049.aa16785@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9702172049.aa16785 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >I've recently seen a flyer from a mail order company offering all Adrian >Wagner's stuff on CD. Damned if I can remember who though. I'd give Ande >Garibaldi a call at C&D records. He'll be able to get it for you. > >FoFP You don't have a number, do you? -- Jon Browne From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Feb 18 14:17:38 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 14:17:38 -0500 Subject: "Eyes'" Eyes In-Reply-To: <16AF886391@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. EL84" at Feb 18, 97 01:19:00 pm Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL84 writes: > > Hey, I almost forgot. I caught a clear, unobstructed view of EB > without his shades on the other night. He was seated at the > keyboards station and took them off for about a minute, aparently to > check something out on the rig. Looks just like a regular person, > I'm afraid... > theo Well, so his nickname is true. Sure, it would be more cool if he had two sockets filled with the blackness of infinite space... But then he wouldn't need the bloody shades, would he, now? Steve swann at panix.com ObCD: Roxy Music, _For Your Pleasure_ From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Tue Feb 18 14:50:59 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:50:59 CST Subject: Calvert/Moorcock demos. Message-ID: Henrik, That's fine by me. If people want copies, they can then send me blanks or we can exchange other HW/MM tapes. If you want blanks/$ to cover the tape/postage, please let me know, and in case you don't still have my address, I'm at: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. 2327 Murphy Dr. #10 Lawrence KS 66046-3959 USA If you want a copy of the MM/Calvert demos, please mail me at my other email address: iscladoc at idir.net (I only use this one from work), so that I can keep track of people at the same place my stereo is ;-> I'll need your email and snail addresses. (Oh no: I'm doing another tape project.....) Allan. ObCurious: anyone heard Steve Hogarth's _Ice Cream Genius_ yet? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com "When you're hiding 29 / you know it ain't a crime / to burn a little brighter now" -- "Torch Song," Marillion From: BOC-L Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 1997 12:32 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: Calvert/Moorcock demos. Tjenare! (as we say in Sweden) Thanks for all the info about the "odd" tracks from Robert Calvert and Mike Moorcock. Wouldn?t it be nice to have them on a CD sometime with a comprehensive booklet from a label we all now? Concerning the tape, is it possible to send one copy to Allan T Grohe for distribution within USA and one copy to Australia? I suppose Pam also live in the states? It?s so expensive to send parcels abroad unfortunately. Cheers Henrik -- ========================================================== "A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward from cradle earth to our future in the stars." Henrik Hallgren, Stapelvagen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Tue Feb 18 14:56:47 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:56:47 CST Subject: Calvert/Moorcock demos. Message-ID: Henrik, What sound quality are the demos? Worth putting onto a nice metal tape, or just a regular chrome one? Allan. From: Grohe, Allan Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 1997 1:51 PM To: BOC-L Subject: RE: Calvert/Moorcock demos. Henrik, That's fine by me. If people want copies, they can then send me blanks or we can exchange other HW/MM tapes. If you want blanks/$ to cover the tape/postage, please let me know, and in case you don't still have my address, I'm at: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. 2327 Murphy Dr. #10 Lawrence KS 66046-3959 USA If you want a copy of the MM/Calvert demos, please mail me at my other email address: iscladoc at idir.net (I only use this one from work), so that I can keep track of people at the same place my stereo is ;-> I'll need your email and snail addresses. (Oh no: I'm doing another tape project.....) Allan. ObCurious: anyone heard Steve Hogarth's _Ice Cream Genius_ yet? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com "When you're hiding 29 / you know it ain't a crime / to burn a little brighter now" -- "Torch Song," Marillion From: BOC-L Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 1997 12:32 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: Calvert/Moorcock demos. Tjenare! (as we say in Sweden) Thanks for all the info about the "odd" tracks from Robert Calvert and Mike Moorcock. Wouldn?t it be nice to have them on a CD sometime with a comprehensive booklet from a label we all now? Concerning the tape, is it possible to send one copy to Allan T Grohe for distribution within USA and one copy to Australia? I suppose Pam also live in the states? It?s so expensive to send parcels abroad unfortunately. Cheers Henrik -- ========================================================== "A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward from cradle earth to our future in the stars." Henrik Hallgren, Stapelvagen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Feb 18 15:53:20 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:53:20 -0700 Subject: Calvert/Moorcock demos. Message-ID: Henrik Hallgren wrote: > > Tjenare! (as we say in Sweden) > > Thanks for all the info about the "odd" tracks from Robert Calvert and > Mike Moorcock. Wouldn?t it be nice to have them on a CD sometime with a > comprehensive booklet from a label we all now? That would be nice!! > > Concerning the tape, is it possible to send one copy to Allan T Grohe > for distribution within USA and one copy to Australia? I suppose Pam > also live in the states? It?s so expensive to send parcels abroad > unfortunately. Yes I do live in the states!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace >I drove 2 hrs to see BOC in a snowstorm, but it was well worth it. I arrived >at the Strike Zone during the opening "'80s Metal" band's last number. Thank >you Torgo for the directions! Sorry I didn't get to see you to thank you in >person. Here's the setlist: Yeah, sunday was a bad day that turned into a bad night, and the snow didn't help either. I think I need to actually catch BOC soon, as missing 2 in a row is starting to get under my skin. >Theo, Torgo? Anything to add? Nope. I guess I have accepted the fact that I missed another one. At least they didn't do The Vigil, Golden Age of Leather, and Before The Kiss (A redcap). That would have been too much to deal with and...... oh, damn. Be Seeing You. Torgo has left the Building........... torgo at norwich.net ******************************************************************* "Wenn ist das Nunstuck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! .... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!" -It was a fantastic success. Over sixty thousand times as powerful as Britain's great pre-war joke, and one which Hitler just couldn't match. ******************************************************************* From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 18 06:39:14 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:39:14 +0000 Subject: HW Tattoos In-Reply-To: <009B006B.2E6ABF00.38@marywood1.marywood.edu> Message-ID: In message <009B006B.2E6ABF00.38 at marywood1.marywood.edu>, Bryan Pitkin writes >There was a time when I had considered getting the picture of >Elric the enchanter from the Chronicle booklet that is chock full of >wild designs. What about the alien 4 art? or even something like the cover of >Queens of Deleria or m. butterworths "Edge of darkness" or even the HW log >that was in the box set.... >The ideas are endless... >peace >bryan I came ****very*** close to getting the beautiful Elric portrait from the frontispiece of the UK Eternal Champion Comps. Thing is, there -will- be an Elric movie one day. It will more than likely will star some goon. We've come dangerously close in the last year or two to some Liam Neeson or Brad Pitt thing, so I thought better wait to the movie's over and done with before getting the Elric done. -- Jon Browne From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Feb 18 14:07:06 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:07:06 -0700 Subject: HW Vocalist Questions Message-ID: Bridgett Wishart came from the Hippy Slags? What was there stuff like? and What has become of her since leaving HW? I enjoyed her vocals and haven't quite got into Ron yet. Where did he come from anyway? He kinda reminds me of Calvert, of who there is only one... From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Feb 18 14:09:23 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:09:23 -0700 Subject: HW Love in Space Message-ID: So I disliked Alien so much I sold it, is the live album any better? I mean I love HW and was really bummed by Alien, is this the future of HW? Knowing nothing is permanent with HW, I guess I'll have to wait it out. Dane From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Feb 18 14:22:23 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:22:23 -0700 Subject: HW HoTMG etc. Message-ID: I just got the reissue and it's awesome. I am so glad I never got any of the albums on CD until now, I can't wait to get the rest. Can anyone tell me if ISoS is any better sounding? I find that LP to be wretched sounding. DAne From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Tue Feb 18 14:40:50 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:40:50 -0000 Subject: HW Love in Space Message-ID: , February 18, 1997 7:09 PM > > So I disliked Alien so much I sold it, is the live album any better? I mean I love HW and was really bummed by Alien, is this the future of HW? Knowing nothing is permanent with HW, I guess I'll have to wait it out. > > Dane i dont know dane,i >like< alien. i love in space. dont know what else to say... rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Tue Feb 18 14:42:14 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:42:14 -0000 Subject: HW HoTMG etc. Message-ID: > I just got the reissue and it's awesome. I am so glad I never got any of the albums on CD until now, I can't wait to get the rest. Can anyone tell me if ISoS is any better sounding? I find that LP to be wretched sounding. > > DAne i never realised just how good these remasters are,until last week when i got my home theatre system,and a new reciever. they are ALL exquisite! rjj From wiandrew at COPPER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Tue Feb 18 20:16:31 1997 From: wiandrew at COPPER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Wian Chao Drew) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:16:31 -0500 Subject: BOC: Latest tour dates Message-ID: Can anyone point me towards a source of tour dates? From raider at PIPELINE.COM Tue Feb 18 20:21:30 1997 From: raider at PIPELINE.COM (Brian Frenck) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:21:30 -0500 Subject: BOC: Latest tour dates Message-ID: At 08:16 PM 2/18/97 -0500, you wrote: >Can anyone point me towards a source of tour dates? > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1615/index.html updated pretty reguarly. a bunch of other cool stuff too. ----------------------------------------------------------- Whether it's On Your Feet Or On Your Knees, you gotta visit Imaginos. A Blue Oyster Cult Home Page http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1615/index.html ----------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Feb 18 23:24:11 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:24:11 +0800 Subject: HW Vocalist Questions Message-ID: Dane Carlson wrote: > > Bridgett Wishart came from the Hippy Slags? > What was there stuff like? There's a track by them on Travellers Aid Trust called Cat's Mother. It's sort of Punk in an ICU sort of way. Don't know if their other stuff is like that? > and What has become of her since leaving HW? >From what I can gather, she used to be a school teacher, and has gone back to that. Shame really, I quite liked the idea of a female vocalist. I only wish there was more studio material with her available. William From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Feb 19 01:20:53 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:20:53 +1000 Subject: Calvert/Moorcock demos Message-ID: cjohnson wrote: I've got all of the songs that have been mentioned here except:- > >Revenge, Fascism-futurism, > >Bugatti, Isadora, Messenger&morpheus, Solstice, Stranger..., I'd say that "Stranger..." is stranger in a strange land, which I do have. The point of this is that I could tape some of these for people to take some of the pressure from the origional chappie who posted the question, as I've seen quite a few people asking for copies. On a slightly different topic, has anyone seen the Moorcock songs on the video disk (or whatever it's called) version of the Black Sword concert? I think there was about four extra (rare) bits of footage of Moorcock performing with the band. I'd pay a lot for a copy of that, but I don't think I'd pay for a laser disk video system just for that, though. - Max Wilcox From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Feb 19 01:26:59 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:26:59 +1000 Subject: HW: Underground Zero Message-ID: I just remembered reading in the newest "Friends and Relations" CD that Underground Zero were doing a tour or about to do a tour of America. Has this happened? Also, I believe there was mention of a new CD. I've been aching (well, not literaly) for months to get some of their stuff, other than whats on the Friends and Relations stuff, and have just had a resurgence of inspiration to try to obtain some. I hope someone out there has some news/info about them. Thanks, - Max Wilcox From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Wed Feb 19 04:41:54 1997 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:41:54 +0000 Subject: I havn't got my Hawkwind Tickets In-Reply-To: <199702190314.DAA08726@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 14:13:06 GMT > From: Derrick Chilton > Subject: Got my Hawkwind Ticket :-) > > Got my ticket for 28/10/97 at Wolverhampton Civic Hall. > Also I'm taking 2 new converts to the gig, should be fun. > Only it's a long wait.... > How does the saying go: 2's company, 3's a crowd - 4's a party!!! Whatever...... WooooooooooooHooooooooooooooo they're touring, yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Sorry..... Maxine From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Feb 19 05:10:52 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:10:52 +0100 Subject: Calvert/Moorcock demos. Message-ID: At 13:50 1997-02-18 CST, you wrote: >Henrik, > >That's fine by me. If people want copies, they can then send me blanks >or we can exchange other HW/MM tapes. If you want blanks/$ to cover the >tape/postage, please let me know, and in case you don't still have my >address, I'm at: > >Allan T. Grohe, Jr. >2327 Murphy Dr. #10 >Lawrence KS 66046-3959 >USA > >If you want a copy of the MM/Calvert demos, please mail me at my other >email address: iscladoc at idir.net (I only use this one from work), so >that I can keep track of people at the same place my stereo is ;-> I'll >need your email and snail addresses. Henrik, how long are your tape? if it's not 90 mins, should we fill it up with some more odd Moorcock/Calvert/close related stuff? I have in mind the Calvert flexi (Cricket Star - probably Calvert's *worst* contribution to the world) and the Sam Gopal 7" (Lemmy) Horse - and I'm sure we'll find a lot more if we dig in our colletions for a while. >(Oh no: I'm doing another tape project.....) Yeah - the BOC-l Friends & Relation Tape! But shouldn't we keep it to just one C-90 this time? >Allan. > >ObCurious: anyone heard Steve Hogarth's _Ice Cream Genius_ yet? From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 19 05:12:37 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:12:37 GMT Subject: Moorcock demos In-Reply-To: Cliff & Pam Wheaton's message of Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:06:14 -0700 Message-ID: Cliff & Pam Wheaton writes: > Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: > > > > Alas, Pam, I don't have these demos--yet ;-> They seem to be in > > Henrik's friend's collection. But by now I'm sure he knows we're all > > drooling over them, and will be in touch soon? (please ;-) The Moorcock tape containing some of these tracks and the Calvert "Revenge" tape are available by mail from Adrian Shaw (ex bass with Hawkwind). I can look up the snailmail address if folks want it. Alternatively I'm sure Ande Garibaldi at C&D can supply 'em. I'll post up contact info for them this afternoon. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 19 05:14:19 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:14:19 GMT Subject: HW Tattoos In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:39:14 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > I came ****very*** close to getting the beautiful Elric portrait from > the frontispiece of the UK Eternal Champion Comps. > Thing is, there -will- be an Elric movie one day. It will more than > likely will star some goon. Nah, it's *gotta* be Rutger Hauer. Not only does he look pale but he has just the kind of weirdness required for the part. > Jon Browne FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 19 07:32:36 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:32:36 +0000 Subject: BOC: CD the Pact In-Reply-To: <199702181320.IAA19478@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 18, 97 08:20:09 am Message-ID: > Personally, I'd like to wait to pass judgement a bit longer as the band > is presumably going to finish mixing next month according to Buck. In all fairness, despite the numerous qualifiers in this it's suggesting a more advanced state of album creation than we usually see from BOC ... Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 19 08:26:46 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 13:26:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: Swedish bookstores on-line? Message-ID: Can any of our Swedish members tell me whether there are any bookstores in Sweden on-line? I had thought I would practice my Swedish by reading my well-known favorite, Pippi, in the original :) which I haven't done for some time. I was hoping that I could contact a bookstore over the net, since it's a long way to go for a book ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 19 08:39:07 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 13:39:07 +0000 Subject: I havn't got my Hawkwind Tickets In-Reply-To: from "Maxine Wesley" at Feb 19, 97 09:41:54 am Message-ID: > > Got my ticket for 28/10/97 at Wolverhampton Civic Hall. > > Also I'm taking 2 new converts to the gig, should be fun. > > Only it's a long wait.... > > How does the saying go: 2's company, 3's a crowd - 4's a party!!! > Whatever...... WooooooooooooHooooooooooooooo they're touring, > yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Yes, but enquiring minds still want to know the tour dates ... as long as 4 is a party, we may as well swell the ranks :) Cheers, Carl ObTape: _Electric Wizard_ ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 19 08:55:48 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 13:55:48 +0000 Subject: HW Tattoos In-Reply-To: <9702191014.aa07557@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9702191014.aa07557 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >Nah, it's *gotta* be Rutger Hauer. Not only does he look pale but he has >just the kind of weirdness required for the part. > >> Jon Browne > >FoFP I know I've banged on about this before on the Moorcock list and at alt.books.moorcock but I have to say it again. it should be a) an unknown actor b) 30-32 years old c) English d) pale, haunted look. It should be me. ME, I tell you!!! Brad Pitt, Pah! "Whoooooah, I am *so* doomed, and haunted!" We met at Brixton last year, you'll bear me out won't you guys? Guys? Ah c'mon....... -- Jon Browne From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Feb 19 09:55:51 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:55:51 +0100 Subject: OFF: Swedish bookstores on-line? Message-ID: At 01:26 PM 2/19/97 +0000, you wrote: > Can any of our Swedish members tell me whether there are >any bookstores in Sweden on-line? I had thought I would practice >my Swedish by reading my well-known favorite, Pippi, in the >original :) which I haven't done for some time. I was hoping that >I could contact a bookstore over the net, since it's a long way >to go for a book ;) > >Cheers, >Carl > > Yes, why not try the SF-bookstore in Stockholm? http://www.nettime.se/sfbok/sfbok.html Most titles are in English though ;-) -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Feb 19 10:03:47 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:03:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: I'm back Message-ID: Yep, as the header says, I'm back -with seven new Hawkwind CDs in the luggage, Warriors, Doremi, It's the Business, Business Trip, Hawklords Live, Alien 4, Space Bandits... and I have one single simple question... how long are you looked upon as a "newbie"... :-) -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 19 11:09:59 1997 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:09:59 GMT Subject: I havn't got my Hawkwind Tickets Message-ID: >> Got my ticket for 28/10/97 at Wolverhampton Civic Hall. >> Also I'm taking 2 new converts to the gig, should be fun. >> Only it's a long wait.... > >How does the saying go: 2's company, 3's a crowd - 4's a party!!! > >Whatever...... WooooooooooooHooooooooooooooo they're touring, >yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! > >Sorry..... Well there's plenty of time for them to cancel, I mean 8 months that's a long time in the life of a Hawkwind line-up. But yes, yippeeee and about time to. Derrick... --------------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day Sky High and Six Thousand Miles Away Don't Know How Long I've Been Awake Wound Up in an Amazing State "Kilminster" --------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 19 11:12:30 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:12:30 GMT Subject: C&D info Message-ID: Here's the info for C&D Records in Dundee. They'll do mail order for all rock/techno/ambient/electronic stuff. Andy Garibaldi is their Hawkwind specialist and you should ask for him. He'll be able to get the two cassettes from Adrian Shaw that have been discussed here: Revenge - tracks by Robert Calvert Brothel In Rosenstrasse - tracks with Mike Moorcock He'd also be able to get holf of the Adrian Wagner "Distances Between Us" CD which features Robert Calvert. If you do order stuff, please mention me as your contact - it encourages 'em to keep sending me their lists. Cheers FoFP Compact Disc Services Magnum House 140 Seagate Dundee DD1 2HF Scotland Tel 01382 776595 Fax 01382 736702 From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Feb 19 12:48:03 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:48:03 +0100 Subject: Calvert/Moorcock Message-ID: Hi again! I will send Alan a tape-copy next week and hopefully he can fulfill your wishes since I?ve got far to much to do at work. Hope that?s OK! No rest until april 18-20 Joe!!! Quality on tape is between 8 and 9 (out of 10). Is it OK If you send me two blanks (C90) Alan? The adress is the same as usual so no probs! Best Henrik -- ========================================================== "A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward from cradle earth to our future in the stars." Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed Feb 19 09:39:19 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 07:39:19 -0700 Subject: HW- Underground Zero Message-ID: UZ tour of America? Cool! Better start checking the small print in the Concert Pages. We need details on this, anyone? I live near San Francisco and will check it out. DAne From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Feb 19 15:17:39 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:17:39 -0500 Subject: HW Tattoos In-Reply-To: <9702191014.aa07557@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Feb 19, 97 10:14:19 am Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > Jon Browne writes: > > I came ****very*** close to getting the beautiful Elric portrait from > > the frontispiece of the UK Eternal Champion Comps. > > Thing is, there -will- be an Elric movie one day. It will more than > > likely will star some goon. > > Nah, it's *gotta* be Rutger Hauer. Not only does he look pale but he has > just the kind of weirdness required for the part. Actually, there's a French actor who would be perfect for the part. I saw him in some French movie being broadcast on Ontario tv - and unfortunately never caught the name of the film or the actor. He's unusally tall, slender to the point of being emaciated, has mid-shoulder length masses of wispy white-blonde hair, and bony, chiseled facial features. I've never seen a more perfect Elric. Maybe Alex might have some idea who this is? I have no idea if he's actually a well-known actor, or if this was his only role. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Feb 19 15:22:42 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:22:42 -0500 Subject: HW Tattoos In-Reply-To: <0g6EUIAkZwCzEwBn@comics.demon.co.uk> from "Jon Browne" at Feb 19, 97 01:55:48 pm Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > > It should be me. ME, I tell you!!! Brad Pitt, Pah! "Whoooooah, I > am *so* doomed, and haunted!" Haven't seen him in _12 Monkeys_, have you? Gave me rather a new insight into the man's abilities as an actor. Grnated, the character he was playing was neither doomed, nor haunted, but it was rather a neat bit of acting for someone that I'd written off as a useless, sulking pretty boy. (It was almost as much of a shock as seeing Joe Pesci in "Goodfellas"). Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Feb 19 15:24:55 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:24:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: I'm back In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970219150347.008fd7cc@mailbox.mc.hik.se> from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Feb 19, 97 04:03:47 pm Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl writes: > > Yep, as the header says, I'm back -with seven new Hawkwind CDs in the luggage, > Warriors, Doremi, It's the Business, Business Trip, Hawklords Live, Alien 4, > Space Bandits... and I have one single simple question... how long are you > looked upon as a "newbie"... :-) > > -Daniel Don't worry Daniel, we've got you on the timer. We'll let you know. Steve, oldbie-by-definition swann at panix.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 19 14:35:27 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:35:27 EDT Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: > From: Stephen Swann > a neat bit of acting for someone that I'd written off as a useless, > sulking pretty boy. (It was almost as much of a shock as seeing > Joe Pesci in "Goodfellas"). > > Steve > swann at panix.com If you'd seen the excellent Raging Bull, you wouldn't have had any doubts about Pesci's abilities as an actor... theo From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 19 09:27:38 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:27:38 -0000 Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: > > I know I've banged on about this before on the Moorcock list and at > alt.books.moorcock but I have to say it again. > > it should be a) an unknown actor > b) 30-32 years old > c) English > d) pale, haunted look. > > It should be me. ME, I tell you!!! Brad Pitt, Pah! "Whoooooah, I > am *so* doomed, and haunted!" > > We met at Brixton last year, you'll bear me out won't you guys? Guys? Ah > c'mon....... > -- i agree with all yer points except the part about him needing to be english. why? elric isn't british,he's not even terran. i love a british accent,but it would not sound right coming from a melnibonean....i think the nationality is irrelevant,and that they should create an entirely new accent, sorta like marina sirtis did for the troi role. i do agree the idea of pitt playin him is silly. i like brad pitt,but as elric? laughable. whoever it is,should not only be pale and haunted-looking, but must have a somewhat elfin appearance. say...rewind malcolm mcdowell back to the days of clock-work orange...or caligula. rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 19 09:31:08 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:31:08 -0000 Subject: I'm back Message-ID: ---------- From: Daniel Wikdahl To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF: I'm back Date: Wednesday, February 19, 1997 3:03 PM Yep, as the header says, I'm back -with seven new Hawkwind CDs in the luggage, Warriors, Doremi, It's the Business, Business Trip, Hawklords Live, Alien 4, Space Bandits... and I have one single simple question... how long are you looked upon as a "newbie"... :-) -Daniel depends. i've been on here for years and am still looked on as a newbie. mostly because i make a fool of myself so often,i guess. some people think yer a newbie if you havent been on since the beginning. but i wouldnt call you a newbie. as far as this list goes,i stop considering folk to be newbies as soon as they realise this isnt a newsgroup,and slide into the family thing. rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 19 09:35:19 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:35:19 -0000 Subject: HW: >any< news???????? Message-ID: hi. again i am looking for any news concerning lineup status,and the summer US tour. there are several of us US fans trying to arrange gigs for the tour, and we are afraid to do anything,for fear of a cancellation. a false start would likely kill any hope for doing the same in the future... please help out if ya can. havent heard a single thing of use in TOO long... rj From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed Feb 19 15:37:06 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 13:37:06 -0700 Subject: HW- >any< news FOR RJ Message-ID: rj, Where are you at? I live near San Francisco, and so far haven't seen anything about HW playing here, they usually do. Is anyone you know of trying for this area? DAne From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Feb 19 17:49:52 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:49:52 +1000 Subject: HW: >any< news???????? In-Reply-To: <199702192104.QAA17600@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 19 Feb 97 at 14:35, RJ wrote: > hi. > again i am looking for any news concerning lineup status,and the summer US > tour. there are several of us US fans trying to arrange gigs for the tour, and > we are afraid to do anything,for fear of a cancellation. a false start would > likely kill any hope for doing the same in the future... please help out if ya > can. havent heard a single thing of use in TOO long... rj I've been waiting for feedback from Doug for about 3 weeks now .... he had some hassles with a memberof his wive's family passing away, but that was two weeks ago. I *did* get an email from Doug saying that he was having trouble getting email working, but I've had no reply to my response to that message ... Star_Rats: Do you know what's happening???? Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 19 12:02:28 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:02:28 -0000 Subject: HW:re: HW news (RJ) Message-ID: hi dane, (this is being posted to the list,as well as privately,in case anyone else wanted to know..sorry all.) im i philadelphia,pa. here is what i know. Jim lasko in cleveland is coordinating a possible US tour in mid july.the management is trying to bypass all the proffessionals on this one,and depend on the fans to arrange things.the band has lost much money on previous tours due tue being scalped by promoters and booking agents and ticketing agents, in addition to the high cost of playing internationally,all of which im sure you can imagine for yourself. the band wants a guarrantee of a certain monetary intake,1/2 down. they are also looking for people to handle catering and other details. basically,people in various cities are to make an offer,and it would be taken from there. to the best of my knowledge,they only intended to play the ohio and greatlakes areas,and possibly the northeast coast. they would be coming from austrailia,possibly,(hopefully), so perhaps a sanfran show wouldnt be impossible if someone could make it happen. i know people in NYC who are trying to work something out,and there are a few in ohio and surrounds. i am/was doing philadelphia. the problem is, people are concerned with the recent thing about alan davey and all. and the wires are quiet.... no one i know has heard a single confirmed date,and there is no news. i'll get around to calling doug s. soon,if i dont hear anything,but i try to avoid that. so enuff babble... if ya wanna get involved (things will straighten out soon,im sure), i guess ya should e-mail jim lasko. jmfinity at harborcom.net he's the coordinator, a nice guy. ya might find some more info on the welcome to the future site. http://www.hawkwind.com well,hope it helped,and didnt annoy too much.... rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 19 12:03:52 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:03:52 -0000 Subject: HW- >any< news FOR RJ Message-ID: > rj, > Where are you at? I live near San Francisco, and so far haven't seen anything about HW playing here, they usually do. Is anyone you know of trying for this area? > > DAne doh'! i dint answer this question... no, i don't know of anyone..... rj From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 19 17:10:46 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 22:10:46 +0000 Subject: "Eyes'" Eyes In-Reply-To: <16AF886391@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > Hey, I almost forgot. I caught a clear, unobstructed view of EB > without his shades on the other night. He was seated at the > keyboards station and took them off for about a minute, aparently to > check something out on the rig. Looks just like a regular person, > I'm afraid... > theo Well that explains the apparent improvement: they've obviously got a Doppelganger in! The real Eric would _never_ remove his shades... Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 19 12:12:35 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:12:35 -0000 Subject: HW Tattoos (elric) Message-ID: the perfect actor to play elric would be that guy who played neil the hippy on the youngones. built like 'im, brooding and depressed, strung out... ok,ok..im sorry... i just got this picture of neil the hippy prancing around fighting the efforts of the screaming black hellsword as it attempts to leach out the life force of vivian and the others..... i gotta go now... rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 19 12:20:10 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:20:10 -0000 Subject: HW:re: HW news (RJ) Message-ID: > Jim lasko in cleveland is coordinating a possible US tour in mid july.the oops...that is june,not july... > all the proffessionals on this one,and depend on the fans to arrange > things.the band has lost much money on previous tours due tue being scalped. umm,maybe my mind is on other things...pardon the spelling and all... (professionals, to; not ff and tue.) rj From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed Feb 19 18:06:56 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:06:56 EST Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: >but must have a somewhat elfin appearance. say...rewind malcolm >mcdowell >back to the days of clock-work orange...or caligula. rj ever seen "if.."? On the caligula note, I saw Malcolm on the Playboy channel recently, in a hottub with two women....still going after all these years(: From ChStier at AOL.COM Wed Feb 19 19:13:32 1997 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:13:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Star Wars SE Message-ID: Well, I finally saw Star Wars SE and I have to say I enjoyed it. However it didn't answer the age old question: why didn't the Wookie get a medal? Chris (the Star Wars nerd) From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 19 14:41:10 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:41:10 -0000 Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: > >but must have a somewhat elfin appearance. say...rewind malcolm > >mcdowell > >back to the days of clock-work orange...or caligula. rj > ever seen "if.."? On the caligula note, I saw Malcolm on the Playboy > channel recently, in a hottub with two women....still going after all > these years(: if? no... a mcdowell movie? rj From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Feb 19 20:33:00 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:33:00 +1000 Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: At 07:41 PM 19/02/97 +0000, you wrote: >> >but must have a somewhat elfin appearance. say...rewind malcolm >> >mcdowell >> >back to the days of clock-work orange...or caligula. rj >> ever seen "if.."? On the caligula note, I saw Malcolm on the Playboy >> channel recently, in a hottub with two women....still going after all >> these years(: > >if? no... a mcdowell movie? rj Yep, a very young Malcolm. Set in an English boarding school. Want to know how it ends? ;) I kinda like that sort of quirky movie, though it could easily have been called *why?..* David Hemmings is another actor who has done a few of these e.g. *Long Day's Dying* and *Blow Up* (featuring a cameo from the Yardbirds). BTW, after all this time on boc-l (OK, maybe I'm still a newbie) primarily for BOC, I've stumbled onto a vinyl copy of *Space Ritual* and decided to give it a try. I didn't have any cash on me at the time, but I'll be picking it up on Saturday - if it's still there. If I like it, I may even lash out on the remastered CD. A tatt might have to wait a bit longer, though. Pete. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Money isn't everything; it usually isn't even enough." - Anon. From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Feb 19 22:45:42 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 22:45:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Star Wars SE Message-ID: >Well, I finally saw Star Wars SE and I have to say I enjoyed it. However it >didn't answer the age old question: why didn't the Wookie get a medal? They don't like "blood wings". The last guy who tried pinning a medal on one is still in traction. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Feb 19 23:53:59 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 23:53:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: Moorcock to write new comic series for DC Message-ID: This from DC/Helix editor Stuart Moore, from a list of new books to debut from Helix, DC's science fiction line: MICHAEL MOORCOCK'S MULTIVERSE, by Michael Moorcock and various artists. Twelve issues. Yes, he's really writing it (that may be our ad tag line). More details after the contracts are actually signed. :) Just thought the Moorcock fans on BOC-L would be interested.... SET From stayer at PI.NET Wed Feb 19 22:34:44 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:34:44 -0800 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped Message-ID: Just read in the paper that Motorhead stopped playing after Lemmy got a second glass of beer in his face, after 45 minutes. Eh, not the glass - the beer... The chance of electrocution probably was too high. The manager told he was crying in the dressing room. It was the first ever gig this happened - not the beer throwing, but stopping a gig for that... It was the only gig Motorhead were supposed to do in Holland on their current tour. Jerry ___________________________________________ "if hate and war could solve anything don't you think they'd solved it a long time ago?" - Geoff Mann in "Sequences" (Twelfth Night) From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 19 20:58:28 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 01:58:28 -0000 Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: > Yep, a very young Malcolm. Set in an English boarding school. Want to know > how it ends? ;) I kinda like that sort of quirky movie, though it could > easily have been called *why?..* David > Hemmings is another actor who has done a few of these e.g. *Long Day's > Dying* and *Blow Up* (featuring a cameo from the Yardbirds). > BTW, after all this time on boc-l (OK, maybe I'm still a newbie) primarily > for BOC, I've stumbled onto a vinyl copy of *Space Ritual* and decided to > give it a try. I didn't have any cash on me at the time, but I'll be picking > it up on Saturday - if it's still there. If I like it, I may even lash out > on the remastered CD. A tatt might have to wait a bit longer, though. > Pete. > im gonna assume you are recommending "if",and keep an eye out for it. if you don't like space ritual,dont give up! for one thing, a lot of people charge too much for the vinyl, and the remasters sound quite a bit better anyway.unless ya like that fuzzy buzz( a lot of people do). also,they dont really sound like that any more. they have gone thru a LOT of changes since then. i think there are better starting points for someone jumping from boc, (which i did,just by chance,and it was space ritual, but moorcock was the reason back then.)but thats only my opinion. good luck.rj From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 20 04:11:26 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:11:26 +0000 Subject: OFF: Star Wars SE In-Reply-To: <970219191328_378812245@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In message <970219191328_378812245 at emout06.mail.aol.com>, Chris Stier writes >Well, I finally saw Star Wars SE and I have to say I enjoyed it. However it >didn't answer the age old question: why didn't the Wookie get a medal? > >Chris (the Star Wars nerd) He did after, Liea was too short. More to the point why didn't Wedge Antilles get a medal? He was the only other Red Team pilot to survive the mission. Follow ups to rec.arts.star.wars.saddo -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 20 04:06:25 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:06:25 +0000 Subject: HW Tattoos In-Reply-To: <199702192104.QAA17588@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <199702192104.QAA17588 at listserv.spc.edu>, RJ writes >i agree with all yer points except the part about him needing to be >english. why? Because I am :-) >elric isn't british,he's not even terran. i love a british accent,but it >would not sound right coming from a melnibonean....i think the nationality >is irrelevant,and that they should create an entirely new >accent, sorta like marina sirtis did for the troi role. Fair enough, agreed. > i do agree the idea >of pitt playin him is silly. >i like brad pitt,but as elric? laughable. That *is* who the studio wanted, which is why MM walked away from the project. Much as I like McDowell, I really do think it should be an unknown, even if it's not me -- Jon Browne From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Thu Feb 20 04:30:27 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:30:27 +0000 Subject: HW Tattoos In-Reply-To: <19970219201739.24456.qmail@mindvox.com> Message-ID: Do you mean Christophe Lambert? The myopic non-English speaker who starred in such marvelous cinematic epics as 'Tarzan' and 'Highlander'? I seem to recall seeing him in some French masterpiece with white hair. He was actually pretty good in 'Subway', though. Martin On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Stephen Swann wrote: > M Holmes writes: > > > > Jon Browne writes: > > > I came ****very*** close to getting the beautiful Elric portrait from > > > the frontispiece of the UK Eternal Champion Comps. > > > Thing is, there -will- be an Elric movie one day. It will more than > > > likely will star some goon. > > > > Nah, it's *gotta* be Rutger Hauer. Not only does he look pale but he has > > just the kind of weirdness required for the part. > > Actually, there's a French actor who would be perfect for the part. I > saw him in some French movie being broadcast on Ontario tv - and > unfortunately never caught the name of the film or the actor. He's > unusally tall, slender to the point of being emaciated, has > mid-shoulder length masses of wispy white-blonde hair, and bony, > chiseled facial features. I've never seen a more perfect Elric. > > Maybe Alex might have some idea who this is? I have no idea if he's > actually a well-known actor, or if this was his only role. ;-) > > Steve > swann at panix.com > From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Thu Feb 20 04:34:52 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:34:52 +0000 Subject: HW Tattoos In-Reply-To: <19970219202243.24552.qmail@mindvox.com> Message-ID: But Brad Pitt is the same in almost everything (granted he was a little bit out of his usual character in 'Sleepers'). He is always someone who is a bit jumpy, a bit (or a lot!) neurotic, and he's always trying to appear to 'rebellious' and 'off the wall'. The formula is getting boring.... If you want a great actor who is suitable for the role, how about Wes Studi? You will never find a more powerful actor, and I am sure he would like fantastic with white hair! Martin On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Stephen Swann wrote: > Jon Browne writes: > > > > It should be me. ME, I tell you!!! Brad Pitt, Pah! "Whoooooah, I > > am *so* doomed, and haunted!" > > Haven't seen him in _12 Monkeys_, have you? Gave me rather a new > insight into the man's abilities as an actor. Grnated, the character > he was playing was neither doomed, nor haunted, but it was rather > a neat bit of acting for someone that I'd written off as a useless, > sulking pretty boy. (It was almost as much of a shock as seeing > Joe Pesci in "Goodfellas"). > > Steve > swann at panix.com > From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Thu Feb 20 04:41:18 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:41:18 +0000 Subject: HW Tattoos In-Reply-To: <199702192104.QAA17588@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: What exactly is a British accent? If it's the same as Daphne's in 'Frasier', then I would have to say that that is definitely not a British accent! I don't mean to be pedantic, but we Brits are a multi-cultural, multi-dialect blend of nations and peoples. I am sure if I said on this list that I loved the American accent people would point out the same thing to me! Martin On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, RJ wrote: > elric isn't british,he's not even terran. i love a british accent,but it > would not sound right coming from a melnibonean....i think the nationality > From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Thu Feb 20 04:43:21 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:43:21 +0000 Subject: HW Tattoos (elric) In-Reply-To: <199702192213.RAA18542@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Believe me, you would not want Neil, aka Nigel Planer, to play Elric. You have probably only seen him in 'The Young Ones', we British have been less blessed and have seen him in too much. Neil was a one-off.... On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, RJ wrote: > the perfect actor to play elric would be that guy who played neil the hippy > on the youngones. > built like 'im, brooding and depressed, strung out... > > > ok,ok..im sorry... i just got this picture of neil the hippy prancing > around fighting the efforts of > the screaming black hellsword as it attempts to leach out the life force of > vivian and the others..... > i gotta go now... rj > From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Feb 20 05:10:54 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:10:54 UT Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: >Do you mean Christophe Lambert? The myopic non-English speaker who >starred in such marvelous cinematic epics as 'Tarzan' and 'Highlander'? I >seem to recall seeing him in some French masterpiece with white hair. He >was actually pretty good in 'Subway', though. Many, if not most, of Lambert's movies are in English, although his first name is "Christopher" for those... He had a frizzy white syrup in _Mortal Kombat_ (I saw the trailer, OK), but that wasn't French and I doubt it was a masterpiece. I think Pitt would be a good choice myself. Elric is supposed to be pretty, isn't he? White slap, red contacts, long white wig, Bob's your uncle. And while he was a bit too flashy in _12 Monkeys_ (Bruce Willis' superior performance was just too subtle for the Academy judges), he was fine in _Seven_. But hey, let Jon have a go! In fact, who's got a camcorder? We'll make our own! Un film de boc-l... - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Thu Feb 20 05:32:43 1997 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:32:43 +0000 Subject: HW Tattoos In-Reply-To: <199702201019.KAA06986@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: M Holmes burbled: Jon Browne writes: >> I came ****very*** close to getting the beautiful Elric portrait from >> the frontispiece of the UK Eternal Champion Comps. >> Thing is, there -will- be an Elric movie one day. It will more than >> likely will star some goon. >Nah, it's *gotta* be Rutger Hauer. Not only does he look pale but he has >just the kind of weirdness required for the part. Not to mention several other pleasing attributes... just a pity (as someone else mentioned) that he's not a little younger, thinner etc. Perhaps if they want a real 'elfin' type characture of Elric it should be played by a woman..... not that I'm volunteering or anything but the 'pantomime' type aspect might work... Maxine The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day Shall fold their tents like arabs And as silently steal away. H.W. Longfellow Honda VF400 http://severn.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw/Welcome.html From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Feb 20 06:19:29 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 22:19:29 +1100 Subject: elric In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave Brock should play Elric. Or Johnny Winter. Troy (FWIW) From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Feb 20 06:37:13 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:37:13 UT Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: Maxine suggests >Perhaps if they want a real 'elfin' type characture of Elric it should be >played by a woman..... That is *such* a brilliant idea!! BTW, I was thinking, you realise that if the Elric books had come out in the eighties, they'd have been taken as a metaphor for AIDS... - Andy ObCD: Last Exit - Iron Path_ Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Thu Feb 20 06:53:59 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:53:59 +0000 Subject: elric In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Or Edgar Winter, or Jason Robards Jr (oh, he's dead - even better!), or Albert Schweitzer. But seriously, what about our very own Allen Lanier? Enigmatic, wispy - he has all the right characteristics, except perhaps his age. But if Roger Moore can pretend to be in his early 30's when he's actually nearer 90, we shouldn't let this stop Allen. Martin On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Troy Harris wrote: > Dave Brock should play Elric. Or Johnny Winter. > > Troy (FWIW) > From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Feb 20 07:26:32 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 04:26:32 -0800 Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: >> Thing is, there -will- be an Elric movie one day. It will more than >> likely will star some goon. > >Nah, it's *gotta* be Rutger Hauer. Not only does he look pale but he has >just the kind of weirdness required for the part. Sorry, got to disagree - the voice might need dubbing, bout it could only be Johnny Winter!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" -R.E.M. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 20 06:35:37 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 07:35:37 EDT Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: > From: Andrew Gilham > >Do you mean Christophe Lambert? The myopic non-English speaker who > >starred in such marvelous cinematic epics as 'Tarzan' and 'Highlander'? I > >seem to recall seeing him in some French masterpiece with white hair. He > >was actually pretty good in 'Subway', though. > > Many, if not most, of Lambert's movies are in English, although his first name > is "Christopher" for those... He had a frizzy white syrup in _Mortal Kombat_ > (I saw the trailer, OK), but that wasn't French and I doubt it was a > masterpiece. > You guys realize that Lambert is actually an American? He was educated in Europe, Switz., I think, hence the accent... Similar to Mel Gibson... theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 20 08:27:32 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:27:32 +0000 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped In-Reply-To: <330BC654.6218@pi.net> from "Jerry" at Feb 19, 97 07:34:44 pm Message-ID: > Just read in the paper that Motorhead stopped playing after Lemmy got a second glass of > beer in his face, after 45 minutes. Eh, not the glass - the beer... The chance of > electrocution probably was too high. > The manager told he was crying in the dressing room. It was the first ever gig this > happened - not the beer throwing, but stopping a gig for that... > It was the only gig Motorhead were supposed to do in Holland on their current tour. Quite appalling really. You'd think people would be ashamed of themselves to act in such a way ... Cheers, Carl From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Feb 20 08:58:00 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:58:00 -0500 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > Just read in the paper that Motorhead stopped playing after Lemmy got a second glass of > > beer in his face, after 45 minutes. Eh, not the glass - the beer... The chance of > > electrocution probably was too high. > > The manager told he was crying in the dressing room. It was the first ever gig this > > happened - not the beer throwing, but stopping a gig for that... > > It was the only gig Motorhead were supposed to do in Holland on their current tour. > > Quite appalling really. You'd think people would be ashamed of > themselves to act in such a way ... What is it you consider appalling: stopping the gig, crying in the dressing room, or throwing beer? ;-) Could've been worse; he could've stopped the gig because people were throwing used syringes on the stage (a la Zappa in Italy in the 80s, thereby precipitating a riot)... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Gong, _Gong est Mort_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Thu Feb 20 08:42:06 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:42:06 +0000 Subject: HW Tattoos In-Reply-To: <40F73A1006@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: > > >Do you mean Christophe Lambert? The myopic non-English speaker who > > > You guys realize that Lambert is actually an American? He was > educated in Europe, Switz., I think, hence the accent... > > theo > Lambert an American? Are you sure this is not a touch of the Chekhov's? Martin From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 20 08:28:15 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:28:15 EDT Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: > From: dench > > > >Do you mean Christophe Lambert? The myopic non-English speaker who > > > > > You guys realize that Lambert is actually an American? He was > > educated in Europe, Switz., I think, hence the accent... > > > > theo > > > Lambert an American? Are you sure this is not a touch of the Chekhov's? > > Martin Yeah, he's definitely a Yank...not that our collective breast is swelling with pride... theo From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Feb 20 09:31:53 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 00:31:53 +1000 Subject: HW- Underground Zero Message-ID: Dane Carlson wrote: > > UZ tour of America? Cool! Better start checking the small print in the > Concert Pages. We need details on this, anyone? I live near San > Francisco and will check it out. > > DAne I have no idea whether there will (or has) actually been a tour, be I believe there was one mentioned in the Friends & Relations vol 7(?). I wouldn't get my hopes up, though... - Max Wilcox From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Thu Feb 20 09:32:21 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:32:21 CST Subject: Calvert/Moorcock Message-ID: Henrik, Sorry, I looked at home, but don't seem to have your address anymore. Please send it to me again. Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 1997 3:11 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: Calvert/Moorcock Hi again! I will send Alan a tape-copy next week and hopefully he can fulfill your wishes since I?ve got far to much to do at work. Hope that?s OK! No rest until april 18-20 Joe!!! Quality on tape is between 8 and 9 (out of 10). Is it OK If you send me two blanks (C90) Alan? The adress is the same as usual so no probs! Best Henrik -- ========================================================== "A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward from cradle earth to our future in the stars." Henrik Hallgren, Stapelvagen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Feb 20 09:37:21 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 22:37:21 +0800 Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: >>Do you mean Christophe Lambert? The myopic non-English speaker who >>starred in such marvelous cinematic epics as 'Tarzan' and 'Highlander'? I >>seem to recall seeing him in some French masterpiece with white hair. He >>was actually pretty good in 'Subway', though. >Many, if not most, of Lambert's movies are in English, although his first name >is "Christopher" for those... I don't know exactly about the spelling of his name, since in some of his early films, his christian name was spelt without the 'r'. If Jeremy Irons was a bit younger, he might have been suitable for the role of Elric. William From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Thu Feb 20 09:50:46 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:50:46 CST Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: I had heard that Lambert was French, and, in fact, hadn't learned to speak English until filming Tarzan. Is this just plain wrong then? Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Thursday, February 20, 1997 8:34 AM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: HW Tattoos > From: dench > > > >Do you mean Christophe Lambert? The myopic non-English speaker who > > > > > You guys realize that Lambert is actually an American? He was > > educated in Europe, Switz., I think, hence the accent... > > > > theo > > > Lambert an American? Are you sure this is not a touch of the Chekhov's? > > Martin Yeah, he's definitely a Yank...not that our collective breast is swelling with pride... theo From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Feb 20 09:51:32 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:51:32 UT Subject: OFF: (way off!) RE: HW Tattoos Message-ID: >Lambert an American? Yeah, I was surprised too, so I looked him up in Cinemania: ----- Christopher Lambert (1957 - ) Biography from Baseline Born: March 29, 1957, New York, NY This tall, handsome and glowering "French" star was actually born in New York and raised in Switzerland. After being expelled from the Paris Conservatoire, Lambert made his screen debut in 1980 in the small French production THE TELEPHONE BAR [...] ? 1996 Microsoft Corporation and/or its suppliers. All rights reserved. ---- Anyway, enough of this nonsense, it'll never happen anyway! - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 20 09:07:46 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:07:46 EDT Subject: Way off...Lambert Message-ID: >> From: "Allan T. Grohe, Jr." > I had heard that Lambert was French, and, in fact, hadn't learned to > speak English until filming Tarzan. Is this just plain wrong then? > > Allan. Who said he learned to speak English at all! Whatever his origin, the guy must have something going for him, he's married to Diane Lane Mel Gibson's an American too, though he can speak without the OZ accent when he wants to. Tim Roth IS English, and struggles with an American accent. Kenneth Branaugh did an amazing job copping an American accent in 'Dead Again.' Hey maybe he'd be a good candidate for your role--he already played Dr. Frankenstein... theo From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu Feb 20 09:26:09 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 07:26:09 -0700 Subject: HW Calvert Tape Message-ID: Hi Is Revenge availible in any form? And how is it? Dane From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Feb 20 10:22:55 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:22:55 +0800 Subject: OFF: (way off!) RE: HW Tattoos Message-ID: > Christopher Lambert > (1957 - ) > Biography from Baseline > > Born: March 29, 1957, New York, NY > > This tall, handsome and glowering "French" star was actually born in New York > and raised in Switzerland. After being expelled from the Paris Conservatoire, > Lambert made his screen debut in 1980 in the small French production THE > TELEPHONE BAR [...] > The article says he was born in America, and raised in Switzerland. It doesn't say that he lived in America long enough to acquire the accent. >I had heard that Lambert was French, and, in fact, hadn't learned to >speak English until filming Tarzan. Is this just plain wrong then? I seem to recall that when they made the film, they wrote Ian Holm's (HW link there! Just thought I'd mention that) character as a Frenchman, to make up for the fact that Lambert coudn't speak English very well William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Feb 20 10:25:03 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:25:03 +0800 Subject: OFF: (way off!) RE: HW Tattoos Message-ID: OOOPS! Forgot to add to my previous letter on this subject that Ian Holm's Character taught Tarzan how to speak William From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Thu Feb 20 10:44:43 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:44:43 +0000 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Frank was incredibly selfish - he stopped a gig at the London Rainbow in 1971 because he had been pushed off stage and broken his back. What a lightweight! On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Paul Mather wrote: > On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > > Just read in the paper that Motorhead stopped playing after Lemmy got a second glass of > > > beer in his face, after 45 minutes. Eh, not the glass - the beer... The chance of > > > electrocution probably was too high. > > > The manager told he was crying in the dressing room. It was the first ever gig this > > > happened - not the beer throwing, but stopping a gig for that... > > > It was the only gig Motorhead were supposed to do in Holland on their current tour. > > > > Quite appalling really. You'd think people would be ashamed of > > themselves to act in such a way ... > > What is it you consider appalling: stopping the gig, crying in the > dressing room, or throwing beer? ;-) > > Could've been worse; he could've stopped the gig because people were > throwing used syringes on the stage (a la Zappa in Italy in the 80s, > thereby precipitating a riot)... > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > obCD: Gong, _Gong est Mort_ > > e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. > From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Thu Feb 20 11:05:55 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:05:55 -0600 Subject: HW: The Void is More Golden Message-ID: This is just a note to mention some recent additions to the Golden Void page. I added known set lists from the gigs (based on Bernhard's tape list): http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/gigs/setlist.html my attempt at a British/American Hawkwind Dictionary: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/lyrics/dictionary.html the interview with Nik Turner by some boc-l members in 1993: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/interviews/turner-bocl.html and a couple of new links: The main page is at: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/ Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 "We are in fact going...to France!" "France!...Oh, but Edmund, surely France has already been discovered? By the French, for a start....?" -- Edmund and Percy : Potato From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Feb 20 06:09:43 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:09:43 -0000 Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: ive been to britain,and seen a hell of a lot of british cinema, and bbc shows. i know british when i hear it. and any of the dialects will do. i am aware of the diversity of accents in england. and if you said ya loved an amurican accent,i wouldnt point out anything, but i might ask..... why? rj > > What exactly is a British accent? If it's the same as Daphne's in > 'Frasier', then I would have to say that that is definitely not a British > accent! I don't mean to be pedantic, but we Brits are a multi-cultural, > multi-dialect blend of nations and peoples. I am sure if I said on this > list that I loved the American accent people would point out the same > thing to me! > > Martin > > On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, RJ wrote: > > > elric isn't british,he's not even terran. i love a british accent,but it > > would not sound right coming from a melnibonean....i think the nationality > > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 20 10:11:28 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:11:28 EDT Subject: Motorhead gig stopped Message-ID: > From: dench > > > > > > Just read in the paper that Motorhead stopped playing after Lemmy got a second glass of > > > > beer in his face, after 45 minutes. Eh, not the glass - the beer... The chance of > > > > electrocution probably was too high. > > > > The manager told he was crying in the dressing room. It was the first ever gig this > > > > happened - not the beer throwing, but stopping a gig for that... I'd figured that the only thing to make Lemmy cry would be an interuption in his supply line! > > > > It was the only gig Motorhead were supposed to do in Holland on their current tour. Hope the crowd communicated their disappointment to the asshole throwing the brew... > > > > Could've been worse; he could've stopped the gig because people were > > throwing used syringes on the stage (a la Zappa in Italy in the 80s, > > thereby precipitating a riot)... > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. Least they could've done was throw filled ones... theo From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Feb 20 06:11:20 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:11:20 -0000 Subject: HW Tattoos (elric) Message-ID: ---------- > Believe me, you would not want Neil, aka Nigel Planer, to play Elric. You > have probably only seen him in 'The Young Ones', we British have been less > blessed and have seen him in too much. Neil was a one-off.... > yer right,that's all ive seen him in. but it was just a joke.............as likely as brad pitt........ ;) sorry........ rj From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 20 11:18:38 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:18:38 GMT Subject: HW Calvert Tape In-Reply-To: Dane Carlson's message of Thu, 20 Feb 1997 07:26:09 -0700 Message-ID: Dane Carlson writes: > Hi > Is Revenge availible in any form? And how is it? > Dane It's on cassette. Available through C&D Records FoFP From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Feb 20 06:19:40 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:19:40 -0000 Subject: (way off!) RE: HW Tattoos Message-ID: so lambert is swiss. where youre born is irrelevant. being born at a certain latitude and longitude doesnt have a particular bearing on your personality. it is where you are raised that matters..... if any of it matters...... rj ---------- > Christopher Lambert > (1957 - ) > Biography from Baseline > > Born: March 29, 1957, New York, NY > > This tall, handsome and glowering "French" star was actually born in New York > and raised in Switzerland. After being expelled from the Paris Conservatoire, > Lambert made his screen debut in 1980 in the small French production THE > TELEPHONE BAR [...] > > ? 1996 Microsoft Corporation and/or its suppliers. All rights reserved. > > ---- > > Anyway, enough of this nonsense, it'll never happen anyway! > > - Andy > > Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Feb 20 11:26:43 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:26:43 +0100 Subject: Calvert/Moorcock Message-ID: At 08:32 1997-02-20 CST, you wrote: >Henrik, > >Sorry, I looked at home, but don't seem to have your address anymore. >Please send it to me again. > >Allan. > [snip] >Is it OK If you send me two blanks (C90) Alan? The adress is the same as >usual so no probs! > >Best > >Henrik > > >-- >========================================================== > >"A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, >new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward >from cradle earth to our future in the stars." > >Henrik Hallgren, Stapelvagen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden you've not checked the .sig file? ;0) \\joe >Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / >henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se > >Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 > > From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Feb 20 06:26:21 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:26:21 -0000 Subject: Way off...Lambert Message-ID: in reference to the following. any actor worth his salt should be able to drop any accent with practise. or speak in any dialect. just my oppinion. sure,some can not lose their own accent,and still deliver intended emotion and all...but imo they are only worth half an actor. > Who said he learned to speak English at all! Whatever his origin, > the guy must have something going for him, he's married to Diane Lane > > > Mel Gibson's an American too, though he can speak without the OZ > accent when he wants to. > > Tim Roth IS English, and struggles with an American accent. it seems to me that a US (yankee) accent would be hardest to master by people who speak english in another flavor. because its flat,and near phonetic. me, i have a mutt accent. no one can tell where im from,because i have lived in too many regions. > Kenneth Branaugh did an amazing job copping an American accent in > 'Dead Again.' Hey maybe he'd be a good candidate for your role--he > already played Dr. Frankenstein... > > theo rj From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 20 10:34:11 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:34:11 EDT Subject: Mo**torhead gig Message-ID: Say, if the truncated gig was the only one in the Netherlands, how come Jerry wasn't there to provide us with a blow-by-blow description? theo From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Thu Feb 20 10:55:30 1997 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:55:30 -0700 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped Message-ID: >Just read in the paper that Motorhead stopped playing after Lemmy got a second glass of beer in his face, after 45 minutes. Eh, not the glass - the beer... The >chance of electrocution probably was too high. >The manager told he was crying in the dressing room. It was the first ever gig this happened - not the beer throwing, but stopping a gig for that... >It was the only gig Motorhead were supposed to do in Holland on their current tour. This doesn't sound like the Lemmy I remember. About 10 years ago at a Motorhead show in Boston, after somebody knocked a mic stand into his face, he pulled off his bass and started clubbing the guy with it (but not hard enough to cause damage). Then he explained how the mic stand could have knocked his teeth out, which would force him to knock the perpetrator's teeth out , and if anyone wanted to talk about it to come see him after the show. I also heard about an incident a few years ago somewhere in Europe where someone threw a bottle at him which broke and cut his hand, forcing them to cancel part of the tour. Music is War, I guess... Chris From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 20 11:28:45 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:28:45 +0000 Subject: Way off...Lambert In-Reply-To: <43808948EB@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: In message <43808948EB at library.syr.edu>, "Ted Jackson jr. EL84" writes > >Kenneth Branaugh did an amazing job copping an American accent in >'Dead Again.' Hey maybe he'd be a good candidate for your role--he >already played Dr. Frankenstein... NO NO NO NOOOOOOOO!!!! NO!!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! is it not enough that Branaugh is given the part of "young" Obi-Wan in the Star Wars Prequels currently under production? NOOO!!! -- Jon Browne From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Feb 20 11:58:33 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:58:33 -0500 Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: >What exactly is a British accent? If it's the same as Daphne's in >'Frasier', then I would have to say that that is definitely not a British >accent! No. The actress who plays Daphne really is from Manchester. >Martin > Martyn From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 20 11:49:02 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:49:02 +0000 Subject: HW Tattoos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >But hey, let Jon have a go! In fact, who's got a camcorder? We'll make our >own! Un film de boc-l... > >- Andy Thanks Andy! Am I Elric, though or is Maxine? I'll be Cymoril, then, but I'll have to do my hair black. Who wants to be insane cousin Yrkoon? It'll have to be someone within 50 odd miles. .....Carl? -- Elric Von Bek From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Feb 20 12:17:45 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:17:45 -0500 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, dench wrote: > Frank was incredibly selfish - he stopped a gig at the London Rainbow in > 1971 because he had been pushed off stage and broken his back. What a > lightweight! He broke his leg, not his back (when he was pushed off the stage by a "fan" and fell into the orchestra pit). He also suffered a crushed larynx, lowering his singing voice by about an octave. He said later he'd always wanted to sing in a lower register, but that wasn't quite what he had in mind as a means of achieving it. But I agree, what a selfish lightweight---I hear he even stopped a gig in Switzerland, just because the concert hall was set on fire by a "fan." (The infamous "Smoke on the Water" concert.) ;-) Cheers, Paul. obHW: I believe Frank's return to Britain after that incident was kicked off with a gig at the Oval, which included Hawkwind as one of the support acts. Certainly, I've seen a reproduced ticket stub to that effect. obLP: Frank Zappa, _Swiss Cheese/Fire!_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Feb 20 12:24:36 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:24:36 -0500 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped Message-ID: This story just does not ring true IMO. I had heard that spilt beer everywhere (Carlsburg Spesh of course) was a norm at a M.o.torhead gig. And you are saying that Lemmy was crying in his dressing room??!! Surely we BOC-Lers are not going to sit idly by at our terminals and have one of our greatest superheros defamed in such a fashion Martyn From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 20 11:25:03 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:25:03 +0000 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Carl E. Anderson" writes > > Quite appalling really. You'd think people would be ashamed of >themselves to act in such a way ... > >Cheers, >Carl Do you mean throwing beer, walking off stage because of it or crying in the dressing room? (Nothing unmanly about crying, anything by Louis Armstrong will usually set me off, but it's hard to picture Lemmy sobbing over some hoser beer-gobbing) -- Jon Browne From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Thu Feb 20 12:46:06 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:46:06 CST Subject: Calvert/Moorcock Message-ID: Oops. Thanks Joe! Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Thursday, February 20, 1997 10:34 AM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: Calvert/Moorcock At 08:32 1997-02-20 CST, you wrote: >Henrik, > >Sorry, I looked at home, but don't seem to have your address anymore. >Please send it to me again. > >Allan. > [snip] >Is it OK If you send me two blanks (C90) Alan? The adress is the same as >usual so no probs! > >Best > >Henrik > > >-- >========================================================== > >"A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, >new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward >from cradle earth to our future in the stars." > >Henrik Hallgren, Stapelvagen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden you've not checked the .sig file? ;0) \\joe >Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / >henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se > >Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 > > From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Feb 20 12:45:40 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:45:40 +0100 Subject: Calvert/ Moorcock demos. Message-ID: Cheers! Joe wrote: >Henrik, >how long are your tape? >if it's not 90 mins, should we fill it up with some more odd >Moorcock/Calvert/close related stuff? >I have in mind the Calvert flexi (Cricket Star - probably Calvert's >*worst* >contribution to the world) and the Sam Gopal 7" (Lemmy) Horse - and I'm >sure >we'll find a lot more if we dig in our colletions for a while. >(Oh no: I'm doing another tape project.....) >Yeah - the BOC-l Friends & Relation Tape! >But shouldn't we keep it to just one C-90 this time? Well, actually it?s 90 minutes in all, but perhaps a new project later this year? Could a subject in april perhaps, I?m sure our wifes agree :-). Should I send a tape to B?lsta? Keep in touch Hawkswede -- ========================================================== "A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward from cradle earth to our future in the stars." Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Thu Feb 20 12:53:40 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:53:40 CST Subject: branaugh/obi wan (was Re: Way off...Lambert) Message-ID: My wife follows Branaugh's online stuff, and he's apparently not getting the role of young Obi Wan, last she'd heard. Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Thursday, February 20, 1997 11:35 AM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: off: branaugh (was Re: Way off...Lambert) In message <43808948EB at library.syr.edu>, "Ted Jackson jr. EL84" writes > >Kenneth Branaugh did an amazing job copping an American accent in >'Dead Again.' Hey maybe he'd be a good candidate for your role--he >already played Dr. Frankenstein... NO NO NO NOOOOOOOO!!!! NO!!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! is it not enough that Branaugh is given the part of "young" Obi-Wan in the Star Wars Prequels currently under production? NOOO!!! -- Jon Browne From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Feb 20 13:08:29 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:08:29 -0500 Subject: HW Tattoos (elric) In-Reply-To: <199702192213.RAA18542@listserv.spc.edu> from "RJ" at Feb 19, 97 05:12:35 pm Message-ID: RJ writes: > > the perfect actor to play elric would be that guy who played neil the hippy > on the youngones. > built like 'im, brooding and depressed, strung out... > > > ok,ok..im sorry... i just got this picture of neil the hippy prancing > around fighting the efforts of > the screaming black hellsword as it attempts to leach out the life force of > vivian and the others..... > i gotta go now... rj No, no no... Viv would be Arioch. Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Feb 20 13:13:40 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:13:40 -0500 Subject: HW Tattoos In-Reply-To: from "dench" at Feb 20, 97 09:30:27 am Message-ID: dench writes: > > Do you mean Christophe Lambert? The myopic non-English speaker who > starred in such marvelous cinematic epics as 'Tarzan' and 'Highlander'? I > seem to recall seeing him in some French masterpiece with white hair. He > was actually pretty good in 'Subway', though. > > Actually, there's a French actor who would be perfect for the part. I > > saw him in some French movie being broadcast on Ontario tv - and > > unfortunately never caught the name of the film or the actor. He's > > unusally tall, slender to the point of being emaciated, has > > mid-shoulder length masses of wispy white-blonde hair, and bony, > > chiseled facial features. I've never seen a more perfect Elric. > > > > Maybe Alex might have some idea who this is? I have no idea if he's > > actually a well-known actor, or if this was his only role. ;-) No, I would certainly have recognised C.L. This guy was taller, bonier, and had sharper facial features. Steve swann at panix.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 20 13:39:36 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:39:36 +0000 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Feb 20, 97 04:25:03 pm Message-ID: > In message , "Carl E. Anderson" > writes > > Quite appalling really. You'd think people would be ashamed of > >themselves to act in such a way ... > > Do you mean throwing beer, walking off stage because of it or crying in > the dressing room? (Nothing unmanly about crying, anything by Louis > Armstrong will usually set me off, but it's hard to picture Lemmy > sobbing over some hoser beer-gobbing) Yeesh, how many of you are gonna ask this question!? ;) Throwing beer, fer hecks sake! Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 20 13:41:12 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:41:12 +0000 Subject: branaugh/obi wan (was Re: Way off...Lambert) In-Reply-To: <0007iwgcmicc.H0000280017407d6@igate.sprint.com> from "Allan T. Grohe, Jr." at Feb 20, 97 11:53:40 am Message-ID: > My wife follows Branaugh's online stuff, and he's apparently not getting > the role of young Obi Wan, last she'd heard. This is an old fan rumor, and the Star Wars newsgroups are constantly having to debunk it. I think the "no Branagh/Obi Wan" is in several FAQs :) Cheers, Carl From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Thu Feb 20 16:10:56 1997 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:10:56 -0800 Subject: Off: branaugh/obi wan (was Re: Way off...Lambert) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: George Lucas has stated that Branagh will not be playin Obi Wan. 'nuff said. -Pete -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu Phone: (206) 547-6164 On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > My wife follows Branaugh's online stuff, and he's apparently not getting > > the role of young Obi Wan, last she'd heard. > > This is an old fan rumor, and the Star Wars newsgroups are > constantly having to debunk it. I think the "no Branagh/Obi Wan" is > in several FAQs :) > > Cheers, > Carl > From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Feb 20 19:04:35 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:04:35 -0600 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped Message-ID: You wrote: > >>Just read in the paper that Motorhead stopped playing after Lemmy got a >second glass of beer in his face, after 45 minutes. Hmmm. Motorhead gigs can be hard to get thru. I remember in the early eighties a gig here in Cleveburg stopped when chunks of the ceiling started to shake loose and fall on the crowd. Wylie From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Thu Feb 20 20:20:19 1997 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 20:20:19 EST Subject: OFF: Lemmy does Queen Message-ID: I got my hand on a copy of "Dragon Attack", the new Queen tribute album at my school radio station. Lemmy does "Tie Your Mother Down" with _Ted Nugent_ on guitar! It's a pretty cool version, but Lemmy has a hard time with the vocals (the vocal part consisting of more than 3 notes...). All in all it's a cool take on a great Queen song. I haven't heard the rest of the CD, so I can't recommend it unless you're a Lemmy completist. Brian From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Feb 20 23:09:33 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:09:33 -0500 Subject: (way off!) RE: HW Tattoos Message-ID: >so lambert is swiss. where youre born is irrelevant. being born at a >certain latitude and longitude >doesnt have a particular bearing on your personality. it is where you are >raised that matters..... >if any of it matters...... rj By that logic we'd have to stop calling Calvert a South African.... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Fri Feb 21 01:12:08 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:12:08 -0700 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped Message-ID: I heard on MTV a few years ago that a Motorhead tour had to be canceled or postponed because of an incident during one of the shows where a "fan" through a sharpened coin at Lemmy. The coin cut his arm and gave him blood poisoning...Anyone else remember this? From stayer at PI.NET Thu Feb 20 23:27:52 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 20:27:52 -0800 Subject: Mo**torhead gig Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > Say, if the truncated gig was the only one in the Netherlands, how > come Jerry wasn't there to provide us with a blow-by-blow > description? Hehe... Maybe because I don't like M'head? Maybe because it was a three-hours drive away from my home (although I've travelled nine hours to see BOC in 1992) - I don't think they're worth it. Just my opinion. I'm a prog fan, remember! :-) M'head is just too heavy for my ears. Jerry ___________________________________________ "if hate and war could solve anything don't you think they'd solved it a long time ago?" - Geoff Mann in "Sequences" (Twelfth Night) From stayer at PI.NET Thu Feb 20 23:46:09 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 20:46:09 -0800 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > This story just does not ring true IMO. I had heard > that spilt beer everywhere (Carlsburg Spesh of course) was a norm > at a M.o.torhead gig. And you are saying that Lemmy was crying > in his dressing room??!! Surely we BOC-Lers are not going to sit > idly by at our terminals and have one of our greatest superheros > defamed in such a fashion :-) Here we go. A very quick translation... -------------------- Motorhead [including umlaut!] cancels gig after incident Groningen [city in northern part of Holland] - Yesterday, legendary hardrock band Motorhead cancelled a gig at De Oosterpoort in Groningen, after 45 minutes. Singer / bass player Lemmy Kilmister received a glass of beer over his head twice in that time. It was the first time ever that the band had to stop a gig prematurely. >>From the first song, part of the audience of 1,400 started throwing beer, but that is not an unfamiliar happening at hardrock or punkrock gigs. During the song Orgasmatron, Kilmister and his guitar were first thrown beer at. Not without danger, because of the chance of electrocution. After a short break and a warning, the band resumed their gig, but quit after a second glass of beer over the singer / bass player. Tour manager Hein Fokker of Mojo Concerts couldn't believe his eyes and said Kilmister had the tears in his eyes [could be the beer, don't you think?] when he went to the dressing room. The gig in Groningen was the only one in Holland for their Overnight Sensation tour. -------------------- Jerry ___________________________________________ "if hate and war could solve anything don't you think they'd solved it a long time ago?" - Geoff Mann in "Sequences" (Twelfth Night) From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Fri Feb 21 04:01:47 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:01:47 +0000 Subject: HW Tattoos In-Reply-To: <9702201658.AA14773@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: Yeah, I'm not saying she's not British, my point was that she has adopted a very phoney pseudo-regional accent. Nobody from Manchester sounds like she does (unless they're on American TV!). It's just an observation from watching US comedies that when a British accent is featured, it is usually a stereotypical accent. I am sure that any American watching a British TV representation of a US accent would feel the same way. In the UK we even have phoney accents in comedies set in different regions of the country. For instance, comedies set in Liverpool have a stereotypical accent, a sort of exaggerated, refined version of the real thing. Daphne's accent is the best thing about 'Frasier'! Martin On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Martyn White wrote: > >What exactly is a British accent? If it's the same as Daphne's in > >'Frasier', then I would have to say that that is definitely not a British > >accent! > > No. The actress who plays Daphne really is from Manchester. > > >Martin > > > > > > Martyn > From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Feb 21 06:21:35 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 22:21:35 +1100 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped In-Reply-To: <9702201724.AA15010@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: This is bull-dust. Lemmy don't cry. Troy From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Fri Feb 21 06:59:13 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 21:59:13 +1000 Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: At 01:58 AM 20/02/97 +0000, you wrote: >im gonna assume you are recommending "if",and keep an eye out for it. Ummm, I guess I am. >if you don't like space ritual,dont give up! for one thing, a lot of people >charge too much for the vinyl, A$25 too much? I'd guess that's about US$20 The CD is about A$40+ from memory. >and the remasters sound quite a bit better anyway.unless ya like that fuzzy >buzz( a lot of people do). I prefer CDs for the sound quality, and I'm lazy when it comes to getting up to turn the record over ;) But I still buy vinyl when it suits. >also,they dont really sound like that any more. they have gone thru a LOT >of changes since then. >i think there are better starting points for someone jumping from boc, >(which i did,just by chance,and it was >space ritual, but moorcock was the reason back then.)but thats only my >opinion. >good luck.rj It's just that some folk here have strongly recommended it, and I came across it. Pete. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Money isn't everything; it usually isn't even enough." - Anon. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 21 04:48:09 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:48:09 +0000 Subject: branaugh/obi wan (was Re: Way off...Lambert) In-Reply-To: <0007iwgcmicc.H0000280017407d6@igate.sprint.com> Message-ID: In message <0007iwgcmicc.H0000280017407d6 at igate.sprint.com>, "Allan T. Grohe, Jr." writes >My wife follows Branaugh's online stuff, and he's apparently not getting >the role of young Obi Wan, last she'd heard. > >Allan. Phew! (apologies to Branaugh fans) -- Jon Browne From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Feb 21 06:55:18 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 21:55:18 +1000 Subject: elric In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 20 Feb 97 at 22:19, Troy Harris wrote: > Dave Brock should play Elric. Or Johnny Winter. Dave Brock should play Johnny Winter? Now that's a strange idea! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Feb 21 08:44:04 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 23:44:04 +1000 Subject: HW: New Site - with HW chat Message-ID: Hey all, There's a new Hawksite: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/7554/index.html Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 21 06:47:38 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 07:47:38 EDT Subject: OFF: Lemmy does Queen Message-ID: > From: BRIAN HALLIGAN > I got my hand on a copy of "Dragon Attack", the new Queen tribute album at > my school radio station. Lemmy does "Tie Your Mother Down" with _Ted Nugent_ > on guitar! It's a pretty cool version, but Lemmy has a hard time with the > vocals (the vocal part consisting of more than 3 notes...). All in all it's > a cool take on a great Queen song. I haven't heard the rest of the CD, so I > can't recommend it unless you're a Lemmy completist. > > Brian I hear terrible teddy is now a radio dj in Detroit! Can this be true? theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 21 08:23:53 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:23:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: Drummer of the day Message-ID: This posted to the AOL BOC newsgroup by Eric Bloom: Subj: Miceli finds Rainbow Date: 2/19/97 12:38:54 AM From: OYSTRBOY Alas, just when Jon Miceli (my favorite drummer) starts to really get into the material ( read the fan posts earlier)....we must bid him a fond farewell...one of the trials of rockdom...Jon will be joining Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow while Chuck Burgi hits the road with the son of Julio Iglesias..so if you get a chance to see Rainbow's upcoming tour...go, if for nothing else than to see Jon play his ass off...(and it's quite an ass). The incredible Bobby Rondinelli joins us...his usual gig being Black Sabbath's drummer, but they are not touring now. Bobby drummed with us once last year and kicked butt so we are very happy to have him playing with us again. Beginning this weekend in MA (friday) Bobby will be the man at the kit. Good luck to Jon! John From chip at PCC.COM Fri Feb 21 09:09:58 1997 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:09:58 -0500 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped In-Reply-To: <01BC1F83.AD9F3400@ts8-07.boi.cyberhighway.net> from "Aaron Crandall" at Feb 20, 97 11:12:08 pm Message-ID: > I heard on MTV a few years ago that a Motorhead tour had to be > canceled or postponed because of an incident during one of the shows > where a "fan" through a sharpened coin at Lemmy. The coin cut his arm > and gave him blood poisoning...Anyone else remember this? Years ago, I read an editorial penned by Lemmy himself about how much he *hates* having things thrown at him on stage. He gave examples of things he'd been hit with (including the coin) and damage he'd seen done (a girl losing all her front teeth to a crowd "surfer"). He essentially said he'd walk off the stage if it ever got too bad and invited anyone who was cowardly enough to throw things at him to come up on stage ("like a man" I believe were his words) to do it face to face. Personally, I think he's completely right. When you're on stage you have no protection and you certainly can't see it coming. People who throw things up there ought to be arrested. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 21 09:12:58 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:12:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: Club Ninja Re-Release out! Message-ID: I've heard that the Koch release of *Club Ninja* is out. I don't know what the deal on the actual sound of the CD (which mix, for example), but there's apparently a bit more stuff in the liner notes than the original CN release. John From robbiel at RMMASSOCIATES.COM Fri Feb 21 09:53:54 1997 From: robbiel at RMMASSOCIATES.COM (Robbie Laliberte) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:53:54 -0500 Subject: Drummer of the day Message-ID: The > incredible Bobby Rondinelli joins us...his usual gig being Black Sabbath's > drummer, but they are not touring now. Bobby drummed with us once last year > and kicked butt so we are very happy to have him playing with us again. > Beginning this weekend in MA (friday) Bobby will be the man at the kit. Good > luck to Jon! > > > John I'll testify ... saw that one show in Providence, RI... great show and great job on the drums Chariot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robbiel at RMMASSOCIATES.COM Fri Feb 21 09:56:28 1997 From: robbiel at RMMASSOCIATES.COM (Robbie Laliberte) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:56:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Samples of Ace of Spades Message-ID: I know this off the subject, but with all the Motorhead/Lemmy posts... I was in Amsterdam recently and heard a song that sampled Ace of Spades. Never did find out who it was or what the name of the song was... any help? Chariot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tully at LINELNT1.LIGHT.GE.COM Fri Feb 21 09:52:17 1997 From: tully at LINELNT1.LIGHT.GE.COM (Tully, Thomas (GEL,MSX)) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:52:17 -0500 Subject: Lemmy does Queen Message-ID: The whole CD is great. Lots of good guitar and of course great songs. I also just got the new Trey Gunn CD. Very King Crimsonish in a laid back way Tom Tully >---------- >From: BRIAN HALLIGAN[SMTP:halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU] >Sent: Thursday, February 20, 1997 8:20 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: OFF: Lemmy does Queen > >I got my hand on a copy of "Dragon Attack", the new Queen tribute album at >my school radio station. Lemmy does "Tie Your Mother Down" with _Ted Nugent_ >on guitar! It's a pretty cool version, but Lemmy has a hard time with the >vocals (the vocal part consisting of more than 3 notes...). All in all it's >a cool take on a great Queen song. I haven't heard the rest of the CD, so I >can't recommend it unless you're a Lemmy completist. > >Brian > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Feb 21 10:05:44 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 23:05:44 +0800 Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: dench wrote: > > Yeah, I'm not saying she's not British, my point was that she has adopted > a very phoney pseudo-regional accent. Nobody from Manchester sounds like > she does (unless they're on American TV!). It's just an observation from > watching US comedies that when a British accent is featured, it is usually > a stereotypical accent. I am sure that any American watching a British TV > representation of a US accent would feel the same way. > > In the UK we even have phoney accents in comedies set in different regions > of the country. For instance, comedies set in Liverpool have a > stereotypical accent, a sort of exaggerated, refined version of the real > thing. > In many films & TV shows, they feel it necessary to emphasize the accent. I've read of some British actors who have been told their accent is not British enough for certain roles, so they had to fake an even more obvious accent. It's the same in the UK. In Doctor Who, an Australian actress who played his assistant at one stage didn't sound Australian enough, so she had to fake it even more. Another who lived in the US for many years had to do the same with the American accent, yet in reality she sounds very British. My idea of a bad accent is somethink akin to Scotty in Star Trek. I am Scottish and I don't know anyone that sounds like that? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Feb 21 10:15:04 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 23:15:04 +0800 Subject: BOC: Drummer of the day Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > > This posted to the AOL BOC newsgroup by Eric Bloom: > > Subj: Miceli finds Rainbow > Date: 2/19/97 12:38:54 AM > From: OYSTRBOY > > Alas, just when Jon Miceli (my favorite drummer) starts to really get into > the material ( read the fan posts earlier)....we must bid him a fond > farewell...one of the trials of rockdom...Jon will be joining Ritchie > Blackmore's Rainbow while Chuck Burgi hits the road with the son of Julio > Iglesias..so if you get a chance to see Rainbow's upcoming tour...go, if for > nothing else than to see Jon play his ass off...(and it's quite an ass). The > incredible Bobby Rondinelli joins us...his usual gig being Black Sabbath's > drummer, but they are not touring now. Bobby drummed with us once last year > and kicked butt so we are very happy to have him playing with us again. > Beginning this weekend in MA (friday) Bobby will be the man at the kit. Good > luck to Jon! > I am starting to wonder about some ex-Rainbow members. Bobby Rondinelli seems to be the only one with any sense. Chuck Burgi joining Julio Inglesias's son's band. Tut, tut!!! One of their ex-keyboard players is now in Billy Joel's band, while another is fooling around with Madonna. How the mighty have fallen! William From ianfines at JUNO.COM Fri Feb 21 10:59:38 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:59:38 EST Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: >if? no... a mcdowell movie? rj > yup...from '68, a sort-of cult movie. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Feb 21 11:32:41 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:32:41 -0500 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped Message-ID: > This is bull-dust. > > Lemmy don't cry. > > > Troy Thasright. I think its clear from the published report that was just posted (Thanks) that Lemmy had beer not tears in his eyes :-) Martyn From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Fri Feb 21 07:11:12 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:11:12 -0000 Subject: HW Tattoos Message-ID: > At 01:58 AM 20/02/97 +0000, you wrote: > >if you don't like space ritual,dont give up! for one thing, a lot of people > >charge too much for the vinyl, > > A$25 too much? I'd guess that's about US$20 The CD is about A$40+ from memory. > no, if its in decent shape,this is a good price. i've seen it around here for around $40 US, and i laughed at the guy. i paid ten dollars for my latest copy.(ive bought this album around five times thru the years due to various accidents and such). i cna get the cd,but not the remaster,for 20 US,but the shipping would probably make it cost as much as your local.if i could locate a copy of the ua remaster,i would probably let my current 2 cd set (one way records) go for about ten + shipping,US. > It's just that some folk here have strongly recommended it, and I came > across it. oh,im not saying its not recommended,its a masterpiece in my eyes (ears),i just wouldnt want you to turn away if that particular album is not to yer taste. rj > Pete. > > > ************************** > Peter Sondergeld > p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au > > "Money isn't everything; it usually isn't even enough." - Anon. From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Fri Feb 21 07:17:52 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:17:52 -0000 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped Message-ID: > > He essentially said he'd walk off the stage if it ever got too > bad and invited anyone who was cowardly enough to throw things > at him to come up on stage ("like a man" I believe were his > words) to do it face to face. don't blame him. > Personally, I think he's completely right. When you're on stage > you have no protection and you certainly can't see it coming. > People who throw things up there ought to be arrested. > nah,they should be dismembered by the crowd. i saw a concert around 84 where someone was throwing pennies at the artist,and a lucky (unlucky) shot hit the guy's guitar strings. ya heard it. the guy said (this is kinda funny,really) "if i see one more penny come up here,im gonna come out there and kick yer ass!" well,no more pennies came up, but some buttwad threw an orange. he was near me, and the people nearest him did beat the crap out of him. rj From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Feb 21 12:59:01 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:59:01 -0500 Subject: OFF: Pat Boone Message-ID: Thought you might find this of interest, Martyn XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Pat Boone rocks the boat in his leather gear By John Hiscock in Los Angeles PAT Boone, the American pop singer and Christian entertainer, has had his weekly religious television show cancelled after complaints about his new, heavy metal look. Thousands of viewers protested to the Trinity Broadcasting Network about Boone's bare-chested appearance in a leather jacket and jeans, a studded dog collar and tattoos. "A lot of our prayer partners had a real problem with that," said an employee of Trinity, whose programmes are carried worldwide. The show, Gospel America, which has been on the air for four years, was immediately dropped. Boone, 62, known for decades for his freshly scrubbed, boy-next-door looks, adopted the heavy metal gear to promote an album In a Metal Mood/No More Mr Nice Guy and, he says, to preach the Gospel message throgh rock music. He said: "I'm being welcomed into the society of the metal heads, the bikers and the hard rockers - folks that were just as judgmental of me in my appearance, as, I confess, I was of them." From stayer at PI.NET Fri Feb 21 10:29:07 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 07:29:07 -0800 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped Message-ID: Aaron Crandall wrote: > a "fan" through a sharpened coin It took me a while before I got that one! :-) Jerry ___________________________________________ "if hate and war could solve anything don't you think they'd solved it a long time ago?" - Geoff Mann in "Sequences" (Twelfth Night) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 21 13:36:01 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:36:01 +0000 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Chip Hart writes > Years ago, I read an editorial penned by Lemmy himself about how > much he *hates* having things thrown at him on stage. He gave > examples of things he'd been hit with (including the coin) and > damage he'd seen done (a girl losing all her front teeth to a > crowd "surfer"). Crowd surfers, Grrr! I got my eye blacked last year at the Foo Fighters by a crowd surfer. I was just about to swing at the fool when I noticed it was a 13 year old girl. With bloody great boots on. -- Jon Browne From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Fri Feb 21 14:15:56 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:15:56 E Subject: see you soon Message-ID: Hi all I'm off for 10 days (early spring break) Ive got all the HW I need to survive I think i should invest in a battery company (walkman, disc man blues) see you all in a while. peace bryan *********** ObLivetape HW 23-10-78 Leicester, De Montford Hall "Killer Calvert-Death Trap" ...cheers From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Feb 21 15:22:46 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 15:22:46 -0500 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Feb 21, 97 06:36:01 pm Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > > In message , Chip Hart > writes > > Years ago, I read an editorial penned by Lemmy himself about how > > much he *hates* having things thrown at him on stage. He gave > > examples of things he'd been hit with (including the coin) and > > damage he'd seen done (a girl losing all her front teeth to a > > crowd "surfer"). > > Crowd surfers, Grrr! I got my eye blacked last year at the Foo Fighters > by a crowd surfer. I was just about to swing at the fool when I noticed > it was a 13 year old girl. With bloody great boots on. A guy I went to college with had a boot print clearly marked on his face for several days after going to a Gang Green concert, falling down in the pit, and yes, getting his head stepped on. It looked really funny, and he claimed it didn't hurt at all. ;-) Of course, nothing that the punks did "slamming" was comparable to what the idiot metal heads did when they started copying it. I saw a 250+ lb biker take a flying ninja kick into the small of someone's back - it's a wonder he didn't break the guy's spine. Steve swann at panix.com From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Feb 21 18:43:36 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:43:36 -0500 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped In-Reply-To: <19970221202246.18606.qmail@mindvox.com> Message-ID: >A guy I went to college with had a boot print clearly marked on his >face for several days after going to a Gang Green concert, falling >down in the pit, and yes, getting his head stepped on. It looked >really funny, and he claimed it didn't hurt at all. ;-) > >Of course, nothing that the punks did "slamming" was comparable to >what the idiot metal heads did when they started copying it. I saw a >250+ lb biker take a flying ninja kick into the small of someone's >back - it's a wonder he didn't break the guy's spine. > >Steve >swann at panix.com the worst I saw was a Ministry concert where the stage (which was 4 feet high or so) had a fence all the way around it about 6 or 7 feet high.....people were climbing to the top of the fence and diving back in......amazingly, the only real casualty all night was some idiot who overdosed...... Ted Alger ----------------------------------------------------------- That's Army stuff! It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko ----------------------------------------------------------- And we wonder how machines Can steal each others' dreams >From points that are unseen...it's real... - Queensryche ----------------------------------------------------------- From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Feb 21 19:57:04 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:57:04 EST Subject: HW for sale Message-ID: I have been purchasing several cool HW-related items from a USA collector who is liquidating his Hawkwind collection. He also has a few other non-HW prog/psych items that some USA folks might want to pick up at a good price. His name is Phil Kasiaras . Here is a partial list: book HW lyric book (green cover) $25 VHS HW - Night of the Hawks VHS HW - Chronicles of the Black Sword LP HW - P.X.R.5 LP HW - 25 Years On CD ICU - New Anatomy CD HW - Out & Intake (Griffin) NEW COPY! $9! CD HW - The Hawklords Live (Griffin) CD HW - Best of HW, Friends & Relations (Flicknife) CD HW - Friends and Relations - The Rarities CD CD HW - The Business Trip Live (UK) Digi-pak version $15 CD HW - The Chronicle otBSword (UK) CD Original Issue w/different bonus tracks some light scratches $12 CD HW - Undisclosed Files/addendum NEW $10 plus vinyl copy too CD High Tide- bootleg? w/4 sea shanties tracks offers? CD Magic Muscle - '100 miles below' w/Twink, simon house & adrian shaw CD Pinkwind - Festival of the Sun (limited to 1000) $25 NEW CD Twink - Mr Rainbow $5 CD Nik Turner - Space Ritual 2 CD Live $14 CD Nik Turner - Sphynx (Cleopatra) $8 CD Spiral Realms - Trip to G9 (w/original cover!) $8 non-Hawkwind stuff: CD Sensor - Stacked Up CD Omnia Opera CD Strobe - Maya EP Porcupine Tree - Voyage 34 mag Freakbeat #7 I'm quite sure that he has even more up for grabs, so feel free to send a want list request. And be sure to say you saw it on BOC-L! Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Feb 21 19:54:00 1997 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:54:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Arc Met Message-ID: ARCITECTURAL METAPHOR NEWS The band have a new CD called Creatures of the Velvet Void due out in march on Black Widow in Italy. You can order copies from the band ($14 + $2 postage in US). Copies of their debut CD called Odysseum Galacti are also available for $11 plus postage. They have a newsletter out called Future Days. If you want to get on the mailing list send mail to: Arc Met- 23 Golden Drive, Florence, MA 01060 or their manager at: dosepowicz at ais.smith.edu They are going on tour in april with Pressurehed and Melting Euphoria. They will be playing Seattle, LA, SF, Boudler, Chicago, Cleveland, NYC and Boston. This is not confirmed yet, but looks like it will happen. I just saw the band last night and they were great! Tracks on the new CD are: Creature March of the Wooden Potatoes Holographic Caves All Tomorrow's Parties (Velvet Underground) Holy Ground Kairos Golden Void Scott From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Feb 22 04:27:37 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 20:27:37 +1100 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Ted Alger wrote: > > > >Steve > >swann at panix.com > > the worst I saw was a Ministry concert where the stage (which was 4 feet high or so) had > a fence all the way around it about 6 or 7 feet high.....people were climbing to the top of > the fence and diving back in......amazingly, the only real casualty all night was some > idiot who overdosed...... Sorry guys, I gotta black cat ya on this. At a Bolt Thrower gig I went to people were diving from the ceiling (Real high, too), and some nut got on top of thestack, dived, and then the stack fell on top of him, and a few others. NO one was hurt at all. Troy > > Ted Alger > ----------------------------------------------------------- > That's Army stuff! > It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko > ----------------------------------------------------------- > And we wonder how machines > Can steal each others' dreams > From points that are unseen...it's real... - Queensryche > ----------------------------------------------------------- > From stayer at PI.NET Sat Feb 22 05:01:47 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 02:01:47 -0800 Subject: OFF: poster sex or art? Message-ID: While were discussing OFF topics... There's an 'artist' (subject to debate) photographer who has his work shown in some museum in Holland. There was some fuss and even a court session about the advertising posters. The exhibition is called 'Sex And Stories' or something. The photograph they took to print on those ad posters was of a woman, shown from belly-button to knees, her legs spread, holding a guys head firmly and pissing into his mouth. At first they wanted to ban the poster completely, but the judge ruled otherwise. He thought too it was art and I guess he meant the way the woman held the man's head in such a pose, which is a stereotypical pose for a man to hold a woman's head when she's giving him one; on the photo it's the other way around completely. Because of the law suit (correct English?), it was an item on the news. What's better advertising than a banned poster on the news, eh? Are we living in a free country or what? (Or, are we having some horny judges or what?) Jerry ___________________________________________ "if hate and war could solve anything don't you think they'd solved it a long time ago?" - Geoff Mann in "Sequences" (Twelfth Night) From ianfines at JUNO.COM Sat Feb 22 11:43:33 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:43:33 EST Subject: OFF: Lemmy does Queen Message-ID: >> I got my hand on a copy of "Dragon Attack", the new Queen tribute >album at >> my school radio station. Lemmy does "Tie Your Mother Down" with >_Ted Nugent_ >> on guitar! It's a pretty cool version, but Lemmy has a hard time >I hear terrible teddy is now a radio dj in Detroit! Can this be >true? >theo It IS true....has the station named after his interests and everything: 102.7 The Bear By the way, the Nuge is making a special appearance at a benefit concert tonight here in Detroit. Also appearing will be a band comprised of ex-MC5 members Wayne Kramer and Dennis Thompson, along with Radio Birdman member Denis Tek...... From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Sat Feb 22 16:33:05 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 16:33:05 EST Subject: OFF: Arc Met Message-ID: > [ArchMet] have a new CD called Creatures of the Velvet Void due > out in march on Black Widow in Italy. > > They are going on tour in april with Pressurehed and Melting > Euphoria. They will be playing Seattle, LA, SF, Boudler, Chicago, > Cleveland, NYC and Boston. This is not confirmed yet, All above bands are recommended, although they don't sound alike. > > Tracks on the new CD are: > > Golden Void Does this mean a cover of the alltime classic HW tune? After all, ArchMet did do "Sonic Attack" on their first CD. 8^> Let's hope its a good one! > Scott Thanks for the info Scott. I'm there! :-) Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sun Feb 23 10:03:00 1997 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 10:03:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: PT Benifit Message-ID: TERRASTOCK: THE PTOLEMAIC PROVIDENCE PERAMBULATION This is a benifit concert for the magazine the Ptolemaic Terrascope, put out by Phil McMullen and Nick Saloman (aka Bevis Frond). It is a three day festival event on april 25-27th at the Rouge Lounge in Providence RI. Tickets are $35 for the whole three days and will feature over 30 bands. The space is limited to around 600 or so tickets. Tickets are mail order only. Some of the bands playing are: 3D's Abunai Alchemysts Alva Azusa Plane Bardo Pond BEVIS FROND (US DEBUT) Bowery Electric Cul de Sac Damon and Naomi Mick Farren and the Deviants (REUNION!) Flying Saucer Attack (US DEBUT) Hilkka Hovercraft THee Hydrogen Terrors Lhasa Cement Plant Lothars Mary Lou Lord Medicine Ball Neutral Milk Hotel Oliva Tremor Control Orans Papas Fritas Primordial Undermind Richard Davies Science Kit Silver Apples Supreme dicks tadpoles V.Majestic Wayne Rogers Witch Hazel and more........................... Web site: http://web.mit.edu/jonb/www/pt/ppp.html Address for tickets: Flydaddy Records: PO Box 545, Newport, RI 02840 401-848-4540 info at flydaddy.com I hope to see some of you there! Scott ObLP- King Crimson- Starless and Bible Black From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Feb 23 12:39:07 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 12:39:07 -0500 Subject: tBS at Maxwell's 3/8/97 Message-ID: The Brain Surgeons are playing at the world famous Maxwell's on Washington Street in Hoboken on Saturday March 8 at 11PM. Also on the bill are the Mean Reds (the group that opened the show at the Rodeo Bar, our last gig, which many enjoyed) and Faith (a great group who I produced 2 years ago and who opened for us at the MacFest last summer). The Mean Reds play before us and Faith will close the show. For those who've never been there Maxwell's is a great venue, with excellent food and drink, a great PA, nice stage and comfortable vibe. It should be a great show! Al From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Feb 23 18:46:00 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 23:46:00 UT Subject: PT Benifit Message-ID: > Mick Farren and the Deviants (REUNION!) Whoa! Any news on the line-up?? If it's Larry Wallis and Wayne Kramer (as on 1984's colossal _Human Garbage_ LP) then do not miss!!! - Andy ObGig: Tool at the Astoria. Very sweaty! Review to follow (maybe)! Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Mon Feb 24 04:36:35 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:36:35 +0000 Subject: HW Tattoos In-Reply-To: <330DB9C8.DDA@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Only Mel Gibson in Braveheart! > > My idea of a bad accent is somethink akin to Scotty in Star Trek. I am Scottish and I > don't know anyone that sounds like that? > > William > From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 24 06:09:34 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 03:09:34 -0800 Subject: Motorhead gig stopped Message-ID: Pelvis actually - nitpicker Chris*g* >Frank was incredibly selfish - he stopped a gig at the London Rainbow >in 1971 because he had been pushed off stage and broken his back. >What a lightweight! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" -R.E.M. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 24 08:17:01 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:17:01 +0000 Subject: BOC: Frighteners' DFtR version Message-ID: Dear All, a friend of mine went to see `The Frighteners' last night and reports that it ends with a DFtR cover, `beefed up a bit, by some group beginning with M.' Does anybody know who has dared to cover this holy ground? The film, by the way, you should only go and see if you find really bad films highly amusing. So I am told, yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Feb 24 08:32:42 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:32:42 UT Subject: BOC: Frighteners' DFtR version Message-ID: This is New Zealand's Mutton Birds. Peter Jackson, the director (_Bad Taste_, _Heavenly Creatures_), is a Kiwi, and films in NZ and uses local talent when he can. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 24 09:09:46 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:09:46 +0000 Subject: HW: Motorhead - On Parole remastered In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ...is brilliant, really excellant. UKP 6.99 extra tracks, nice old pics of Lemmy 'n' Larry staying awake for six days. Mick Farren sleeve notes. (inc. how MH Mk.1 fell apart supporting BOC) includes great versions of Lost Johnny and The Watcher great stuff, sheer joy, -- Jon Browne From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Feb 24 09:40:37 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:40:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Samples of Ace of Spades Message-ID: At 09:56 AM 2/21/97 -0500, you wrote: > >I know this off the subject, but with all the Motorhead/Lemmy posts... >I was in Amsterdam recently and heard a song that sampled Ace of Spades. >Never did find out who it was or what the name of the song was... any help? > >Chariot KLF used the Ace of Spades riff in "What time is love" (Glenn Hughes sings!). -Daniel Wikdahl . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Mon Feb 24 10:21:47 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:21:47 +0000 Subject: BOC: Frighteners' DFtR version In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I sent this message around some three weeks ago, and nobody bothered to reply! The song appears over the end credits and is performed by the Mutton Birds. Martin On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Jon Jarrett wrote: > Dear All, > a friend of mine went to see `The Frighteners' last > night and reports that it ends with a DFtR cover, `beefed up a bit, by > some group beginning with M.' Does anybody know who has dared to cover > this holy ground? > The film, by the way, you should only go and see if you find > really bad films highly amusing. So I am told, yours, > Jazza > > /______________________________________________________________________\ > | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | > | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | > | =====================================================================| > | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | > \______________________________________________________________________/ > From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Feb 24 11:03:09 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:03:09 -0500 Subject: Frighteners' DFtR version Message-ID: I think that this has already been answered, but just to chip in, I saw in an ENTERTAINMENT magazine (just flipping through it while my son's prescription was being filled, honest!!) that DFtR is the most used rock song in movie history (or some such similar "honor"). FWIW... Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Jon Jarrett[SMTP:jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK] Sent: Monday, February 24, 1997 8:17 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC: Frighteners' DFtR version Dear All, a friend of mine went to see `The Frighteners' last night and reports that it ends with a DFtR cover, `beefed up a bit, by some group beginning with M.' Does anybody know who has dared to cover this holy ground? The film, by the way, you should only go and see if you find really bad films highly amusing. So I am told, yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon Feb 24 11:39:15 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:39:15 -0700 Subject: HW Opinions on Nik Message-ID: I have never been much of a Nik fan, his punk phase/ICU stuff wasn't really what I am into. I recently picked up Past or Present, and didn't hate it. I was curious what people think about Nik and his "Hawkwind"? DAne From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Feb 24 12:39:11 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:39:11 -0500 Subject: HW Opinions on Nik Message-ID: >I have never been much of a Nik fan, his punk phase/ICU stuff wasn't >really what I am into. I recently picked up Past or Present, and >didn't hate it. I was curious what people think about Nik and his "Hawkwind"? > >DAne > Uh, oh ... here we go again :-) :-) Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Feb 24 12:49:28 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:49:28 -0500 Subject: HW Opinions on Nik Message-ID: >I have never been much of a Nik fan, his punk phase/ICU stuff wasn't >really what I am into. I recently picked up Past or Present, and >didn't hate it. I was curious what people think about Nik and his "Hawkwind"? > >DAne > Opinions on this list are sharply divided to say the least. They range from people who think that Nik is Hawkwind incarnate to those who think he should be summarily shot. Personally I quite like Uncle Nik, I saw him when he toured the US and he did a good job even though he had the effrontery to use the word "Hawkwind" Nuff said (I hope) Martyn From corwin at ROPNET.RU Mon Feb 24 13:00:47 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 21:00:47 +0300 Subject: HW Opinions on Nik Message-ID: Hi! I don't like Nik's Hawkwind much. I think Dave Brock is doing the best music in the REAL Hawkwind. Corwin From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon Feb 24 12:18:42 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:18:42 -0700 Subject: HW Opinions on Nik Message-ID: To avoid any rehashing of old news is their a FAQ on the Offical BOC-L Response ot Nikwind? :) From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon Feb 24 12:35:47 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:35:47 -0700 Subject: HW Warrior 2CDs? Message-ID: In the CDConnection web page their is a Griffen Warrior... that is a 2 disc set, what is this? Anyone? From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Mon Feb 24 15:08:15 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 20:08:15 GMT Subject: Opinoins on Nick Message-ID: Hi I have never heard Nick turner and this group but I imigne it's just a old hawkwind sounding grup with may be soem new sutff in and probably osunds jkust as good as current hawwkind. Since I'm afan of all erros of hawkwind I'd probably like uncle Nick to. I liked early hawkwind with him abut I didn't enjoy watching the grass grow and stuff like ghost dance, different Brainstorm ending verse (84 video and others) but I didn't like Sliver machine on the tavlers Aid trust gig. Timothy Fintan Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com "I like all music providing it's Blues, Status Quo, Hawkwind, AC/DC" (Timmy) ***************************************************************************** * Oxygen 107.9 - It's here so come to oxford. Playing best music and talk * ***************************************************************************** * Talk Radio - Free call 0500 105389. You can't all live in oxford * * so try it. No music. It play's people, people means callers + guests * * Recommended is Tommy Boyd and James Whale * ***************************************************************************** From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Mon Feb 24 15:50:04 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 20:50:04 GMT Subject: Opinoins on Nick Message-ID: Hi Sorry I side I didn't enjoy watching the grass grow. Well I do. tpyo. Has Nick or will Nick play near oxford? Any one hazard a guess? Timothy Fintan Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com "I like all music providing it's Blues, Status Quo, Hawkwind, AC/DC" (Timmy) ***************************************************************************** * Oxygen 107.9 - It's here so come to oxford. Playing best music and talk * ***************************************************************************** * Talk Radio - Free call 0500 105389. You can't all live in oxford * * so try it. No music. It play's people, people means callers + guests * * Recommended is Tommy Boyd and James Whale * ***************************************************************************** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 24 15:58:09 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 20:58:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: Samples of Ace of Spades In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970224144037.009396a0@mailbox.mc.hik.se> from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Feb 24, 97 03:40:37 pm Message-ID: > KLF used the Ace of Spades riff in "What time is love" (Glenn Hughes sings!). Does anyone know if this was on the "Doctorin' the Tardis" single? Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 24 16:03:38 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 21:03:38 +0000 Subject: HW: Motorhead - On Parole remastered In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Feb 24, 97 02:09:46 pm Message-ID: > ...is brilliant, really excellant. UKP 6.99 extra tracks, nice old pics > of Lemmy 'n' Larry staying awake for six days. Mick Farren sleeve notes. > (inc. how MH Mk.1 fell apart supporting BOC) > includes great versions of Lost Johnny and The Watcher Sounds great--what are the extra tracks, BTW. (though I suppose I'll find it out when I get it, since this is a must have! :) I quite like the slow-n-bluesy "Iron Horse" on this as well ... [Hey--Jazza, that would make a great cover song .... :) ] Cheers, Carl From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Feb 24 16:07:39 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:07:39 -0500 Subject: Opinoins on Nick Message-ID: >Has Nick or will Nick play near oxford? Any one hazard a guess? Nik was present when hawkwind played at the appollo (sp) in March of 1984 Martyn PS Martin Griffin lived in Oxford for a while From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Feb 24 16:19:59 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 22:19:59 +0100 Subject: HW Warrior 2CDs? Message-ID: At 10:35 1997-02-24 -0700, you wrote: >In the CDConnection web page their is a Griffen Warrior... that is a 2 disc set, what is this? Anyone? probably a faulty entry. same catalouge number (3931) as the normal single cd warrior - so this got to be the Griffin package that contained both collectors guide book and cd. no 2xcd Warrior is known to mankind (boc-l) at this moment. \\joe ObCD: Adobe _Photoshop_ their third, real heavy! From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Feb 24 16:20:00 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 22:20:00 +0100 Subject: HW: hawXtar '94 release Message-ID: about 100 numbered CD-R with tracks from the 1994 hawXtar gig with Nik Turner/darXtar will soon be released - price unknown at the moment, but US$ 28-30 (incl worldwide p&p) is a fair guess. this is a console to DAT recording. people who like '70 era of HW won't be disappointed, people who don't like punk era Turner might be surprised. tracklist: (uncle Nik & draX on track 1-5, pure darXtar on track 6-8) sonic attack brainstorm kadu flyer the great sun jester (not a BOC cover!) children of the sun 7 1/2 obstakel breath messages in space we trust - \\joe From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Feb 24 17:33:32 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:33:32 +1000 Subject: OFF: Samples of Ace of Spades In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 24 Feb 97 at 20:58, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > KLF used the Ace of Spades riff in "What time is love" (Glenn Hughes > > sings!). > > Does anyone know if this was on the "Doctorin' the Tardis" single? According to our resident KLF freak, there was a CD EP with both versions of "Doctorin' the Tardis" as well as "What time is love". It wasn't on the original single however Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Feb 24 17:43:32 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:43:32 +1000 Subject: HW: hawXtar '94 release In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19970224221708.05a7d25e@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: On 24 Feb 97 at 22:20, Johan Edlundh wrote: > about 100 numbered CD-R with tracks from the 1994 hawXtar gig with Nik > Turner/darXtar will soon be released - price unknown at the moment, but US$ > 28-30 (incl worldwide p&p) is a fair guess. this is a console to DAT > recording. > > people who like '70 era of HW won't be disappointed, > people who don't like punk era Turner might be surprised. I have a cassette copy of this courtesy of "The Commander", and I have to second this - you won't be disappointed! Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Feb 24 17:45:49 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:45:49 +1000 Subject: OFF: Samples of Ace of Spades In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 24 Feb 97 at 20:58, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > KLF used the Ace of Spades riff in "What time is love" (Glenn Hughes > > sings!). > > Does anyone know if this was on the "Doctorin' the Tardis" single? Follow up: from http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs CD5: 1991 US (TVT Records TVT 4025-2) [Jul 91] 3:34 Doctorin' The Tardis 8:11 Doctorin' The Tardis (12" mix) 7:06 What Time Is Love? (original) 3:26 Gary In The Tardis [mislabeled "Gary Joins The JAMS"] 4:28 Doctorin' The Tardis (instrumental) [minimal] Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Mon Feb 24 17:37:31 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of ungodly vision) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:37:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Samples of Ace of Spades and Timelords Message-ID: >> KLF used the Ace of Spades riff in "What time is love" (Glenn Hughes sings!). > > Does anyone know if this was on the "Doctorin' the Tardis" single? What time is love the instrumental (long) version of the tune is on the "Doctorin' the TARDIS" single...as is a version of Doctorin" with Gary Glitter. *involuntary shudder* I have the CD5, it also has the 12" version of the "DitT" and something else, ah yes the non-vocal version of the same tune. Perfect for falling asleep to. Jason From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Mon Feb 24 11:28:12 1997 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:28:12 -0700 Subject: PT Benifit Message-ID: > Silver Apples Wow - this couldn't be the pioneering analog synth warp-out duo from about 30 years ago?? This sounds like quite the event. Too bad HW or NIK aren't on the bill... - Chris From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Feb 24 18:57:09 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:57:09 EST Subject: HW in Gibraltar: HawXtar and Harvey Message-ID: Just finished reading the latest Gibraltar online prog mag, and saw two Hawk-references of note: - Our own Sonique penned a review of an advance preview tape from DarXtar's live gig with Nik Turner last year. The tape sounds like a good blend of DarXtar from their last album, and Nik (backed by DarXtar) doing early HW numbers. Even if they _are_ going to leave half of the original show off the final CD, it will still be a good listen. The working title is apparently "HawXtar". - Ant-Bee should shortly be releasing a CD called "Lunar Musik" that includes Harvey Bainbridge as a guest musician (among others including Daevid Allen). Gibraltar is an excellent source of information on prog music and releases worldwide. To subscribe, send a message body of "subscribe gibraltar " to: listman at museum.tulane.edu Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From ianfines at JUNO.COM Mon Feb 24 19:58:25 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:58:25 EST Subject: PT Benifit Message-ID: >> Mick Farren and the Deviants (REUNION!) > >Whoa! Any news on the line-up?? If it's Larry Wallis and Wayne >Kramer (as on >1984's colossal _Human Garbage_ LP) then do not miss!!! Was this a Deviants LP, though? I thought it was just a Kramer/Farren project... From ianfines at JUNO.COM Mon Feb 24 19:58:25 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:58:25 EST Subject: PT Benifit Message-ID: >> Silver Apples > >Wow - this couldn't be the pioneering analog synth warp-out duo from >about >30 years ago?? > >This sounds like quite the event. Too bad HW or NIK aren't on the >bill... I could go for deeing Daevid Allen and Gong again, as well....maybe even the Ozrics? From ianfines at JUNO.COM Mon Feb 24 19:58:25 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:58:25 EST Subject: HW Opinions on Nik Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:39:15 -0700 Dane Carlson writes: >I have never been much of a Nik fan, his punk phase/ICU stuff wasn't >really what I am into. I recently picked up Past or Present, and >didn't hate it. I was curious what people think about Nik and his >"Hawkwind"? > >DAne I love Nik, both as a person and a performer. His '95 tour was great, and I give him a lot of credit for playing tunes like "Kadu Flyer", "Dying Seas", and "High Rise". I think he is really entertaining, and is a hard performer. Though Nik's "Hawkwind" is a sharp contrast from Brock's version, I think I can do w/o Brock's droning rhythm guitar once in a while. From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Feb 24 20:10:20 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:10:20 -0600 Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited Message-ID: Watching figure skating on the tube this weekend, I saw a young lady land in I believe fifth place with the name of Amber Corwin. Coincidence? :0 Wylie, nervously eying his Trumps From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Feb 24 21:11:19 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:11:19 +1100 Subject: HW Opinions on Nik Message-ID: Dane Carlson wrote: > > I have never been much of a Nik fan, his punk phase/ICU stuff wasn't really what I am into. I recently picked up Past or Present, and didn't hate it. I was curious what people think about Nik and his "Hawkwind"? > > DAne Well, I'm a bit of a Niker, myself, and must say that even though his singing and sax capabilities are nothing to write home about, I think he's a great performer and a great front-man. He comes across as having a defined stage persona, which is something I don't think ol' Ron Tree has perfected (yet...). I love ICU, and I quite like "Past or Future?" Though, I don't like Prophits (profits) of Time, as he totaly destroyed some ICU numbers there. Nik's no Calvert, mind you. But, neither is Calvert, anymore... - Max Wilcox From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Feb 25 01:55:16 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 23:55:16 -0700 Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited Message-ID: William Stone wrote: > > Watching figure skating on the tube this weekend, I saw a young lady > land in I believe fifth place with the name of Amber Corwin. > Coincidence? :0 > > Wylie, nervously eying his Trumps Interesting name-and an awesome set of books! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Dane Carlson wrote: > I have never been much of a Nik fan, his punk phase/ICU stuff wasn't really what I am into. I recently picked up Past or Present, and didn't hate it. I was curious what people think about Nik and his "Hawkwind"? > > DAne > NikWind rules. More HW than HW at times, and more original members, too. BUT- no Brocky. Would be the greatest band on earth with brocky- cos it would then be HW! (figure that out). I like Nik anyway, even with ICU/punk stuff. I think Sphynx is full on too. Past or Future is the best release for me in 96. Troy (Contemplating orange spikey haircut) From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Feb 25 04:52:51 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:52:51 UT Subject: PT Benifit Message-ID: >>> Mick Farren and the Deviants (REUNION!) >> >Whoa! Any news on the line-up?? If it's Larry Wallis and Wayne >>Kramer (as on >>1984's colossal _Human Garbage_ LP) then do not miss!!! > >Was this a Deviants LP, though? I thought it was just a Kramer/Farren >project... Definitely as by the Deviants. Highlights include the MC5's "Ramblin' Rose", a stormin' version of Larry's "Police Car", and a cover of Zappa's "Trouble Coming Every Day" with special guest Clint Eastwood on harp, for those who haven't heard it. (As in Clint Eastwood and General Saint, not as in _High Plains Drifter_. ;) - Andy ObLP: Deviants - _Human Garbage_ Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Feb 25 04:58:12 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:58:12 UT Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited Message-ID: >> Wylie, nervously eying his Trumps >Interesting name-and an awesome set of books! Well, the first ones were (when the idea was fresh and new), but one of the second lot (_Blood of Chaos_?) is one of the few books I've actually thrown across the room for being so crap. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 25 06:15:52 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:15:52 GMT Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited In-Reply-To: William Stone's message of Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:10:20 -0600 Message-ID: William Stone writes: > Watching figure skating on the tube this weekend, I saw a young lady > land in I believe fifth place with the name of Amber Corwin. > Coincidence? :0 > Wylie, nervously eying his Trumps There are Trumps for sale? I've been looking into how to create good scenarios for Civilisation II and was considering Amber. A good map could be built with a little artistic licence. Maybe Amber at one end and the Courts at the other with a winding path of glacier (wasted land) between 'em. There's mountainous terrain for Kolvir, Forest in Arden and Sea around Rebma. Other cities could be placed in "shadow" areas between the Courts and Amber. Say Lorraine, Avalon, New York, etc. The "events" macros could be used to simulate cards under certain conditions. A Prince unit would have to reach the pattern (city) to gain and gain "Trumps" technology to use 'em. Then any time such a unit entered a city, it could move to any other city. That would just mean replacing the Airport with Trumps and awarding a second dependency only when the Pattern city was taken. The "events" could be used to "Trump" a Prince unit to a safe area whenever it was attacked. Prince units entering a city could immediately raise an "army" using the events macro. Units could also be prevented from entering Tir'Na'Nogh except every fourth turn. The Pattern and Tir'Na'Nogh could be Barbarian cities with the effort of defeating resistance to enter the city equivalent to walking the pattern or crossing the bridge. I guess the barbarian units could have their gifs altered to demons or something. I haven't seen a copy of "The Illustrated Amber". Does this contain any maps? The technology tree would need to be substantially reworked, perhaps replacing many technologies with Magic ones, and introducing the Guns of Avalon as the only firearms. City improvements would also need some reworking and I guess the city gifs could be altered to something more fantasy oriented. Anyway, if anyone has any thoughts on this, or is interested in collaborating. Let me know... FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 25 06:24:31 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:24:31 GMT Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:58:12 UT Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > >> Wylie, nervously eying his Trumps > >Interesting name-and an awesome set of books! > > Well, the first ones were (when the idea was fresh and new), but one of the > second lot (_Blood of Chaos_?) is one of the few books I've actually thrown > across the room for being so crap. I'm less than convinced that Zelazny actually wrote those rather than passed the plotlines over to the guys he had working writing the Roadmarks(?) stuff. A signature of the first series was a reasonably tight and limited set of magical technologies. The second series introduced new magic technologies with every chapter. Drama is about having characters resolve situations within specified limits. If you don't know the limits, it undermines the drama. In visual terms, the first series has everything going for it to make an awesome film in the Star Wars/Costume Drama/Politics/Adventure line. The second series of books would be perfect for one of those interminable TV series along the lines of Fantastic Journey or whatever it was called (it started in the Bermuda Triangle). P.S. To the yanks: Over xmas here there was a film that looked like a pilot for a series. It had this woman trip through from an alternate world escaping some bad guys who were working for "Dark Lords". She was helped by a hospital Doctor and they both escaped her pursuers to another alternate America where all the oil had been destroyed in the Gulf War. her pursuers tacked 'em down again and after a battle they escaped to yet another... Not a great film but I'm curious as to whether a series ever appeared? > - Andy > FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 25 07:56:06 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:56:06 +0000 Subject: HW: hawXtar '94 release In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19970224221708.05a7d25e@eka.ericsson.se> from "Johan Edlundh" at Feb 24, 97 10:20:00 pm Message-ID: > about 100 numbered CD-R with tracks from the 1994 hawXtar gig with Nik > Turner/darXtar will soon be released - price unknown at the moment, but US$ > 28-30 (incl worldwide p&p) is a fair guess. > this is a console to DAT recording. I assume a message will go out from the Commander when this item is ready for lift-off? :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Feb 25 08:42:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:42:00 +0000 Subject: HW Opinions on Nik In-Reply-To: Troy Harris' mail of Tue, 25 Feb 97 20:50 +1100 Message-ID: My impression is that the anti-Nik feeling focusses mainly on (a) his performances with HW in the early 80's, and (b) his use of the name "Hawkwind" more recently. Even so, opinion varies widely, with several people really liking his early 80's stuff and some people thinking he's morally entitled to use the name. I haven't heard many people slag him off for the music he's been playing recently. My opinion is that it's a mixed bag. Sphynx is pretty good, Anubian Lights is OK, Prophets Of Time was bad. The descriptions of Space Ritual '94 didn't sell it to me, but Past Or Future sounds promising. I must pick it up sometime. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Feb 25 09:03:23 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 07:03:23 -0700 Subject: OFF- Amber Revisited Message-ID: wow, and she was ice skating, too bad they don't do compulseries anymore, she probably has quite a routine. DAne From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Feb 25 09:13:38 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 07:13:38 -0700 Subject: HW My Lucky Day Message-ID: I slowly work my way to the "H" section, hmmm...let's see, what's this, Space Ritual remaster on EMI $19.99!!!!!!!!!! I check it again, and again, I usually see this for $38.99. Then I see Doremi Fasol Latido for 19.99 as well, generally priced at $27.99. I look the counter man straight in the eye, and hand my VISA over. I peel of the wrapper, these babies are beautiful! Space Ritual is amazing, and lyrics as well! EMI has done a fantastic job, and I haven't even played'em yet! From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Feb 25 09:15:21 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 07:15:21 -0700 Subject: OFF Future Sound of London Message-ID: Just got this FSoL single of My Kingdom, features some sampled Ozrics and Rachel's Song from Blade Runner, not enough of course, but kinda cool none-the-less From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Tue Feb 25 05:27:46 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:27:46 -0000 Subject: PT Benifit Message-ID: > >> Silver Apples > > > >Wow - this couldn't be the pioneering analog synth warp-out duo from > >about > >30 years ago?? > > > >This sounds like quite the event. Too bad HW or NIK aren't on the > >bill... > > I could go for deeing Daevid Allen and Gong again, as well....maybe even > the Ozrics? i emailed the guy at the website,requesting sundial.(a band sponsered by nick saloman in their early days), he said it was a great idea,so long as i paid their way over.....;) rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Tue Feb 25 05:37:33 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:37:33 -0000 Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited Message-ID: > I haven't seen a copy of "The Illustrated Amber". Does this contain any > maps? The technology tree would need to be substantially reworked, > perhaps replacing many technologies with Magic ones, and introducing the > Guns of Avalon as the only firearms. City improvements would also need > some reworking and I guess the city gifs could be altered to something > more fantasy oriented. are you refering to the guide to castle amber, or gray morrow's illustrated? castle amber has interior building maps,but i think thats about it.it may show the castle grounds,tho. the illustrated guide doesnt have anymaps,i think,but its been a while since my copy trumped out. there is a new book out.cant remember the name. something like 'amber resource book...' i dont think its illustrated,tho,it seems to be just a summary of the story. > Anyway, if anyone has any thoughts on this, or is interested in > collaborating. Let me know... i think it sounds really interesting. and if i had the software yer refering to,i would love to get involved. but i dont. so let me know how it turns out... rj > FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 25 11:01:09 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:01:09 GMT Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited In-Reply-To: RJ's message of Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:37:33 -0000 Message-ID: RJ writes: [An Amber scenario for Civilization II...] > i think it sounds really interesting. and if i had the software yer > refering to,i would love to get involved. > but i dont. so let me know how it turns out... rj Jeese RJ, I think you'd like Civ II. You get to build a civilization from scratch and then try out various tactics of war, economics and research through the ages. What would appeal to you though is that you can fight apocalyptic wars using nukes, stealth bombers, fundamentalist nuclear terrorism and god knows what else. If you do it well enough, global warming happens and everyone's economy is screwed... Not only that but you can build your own scenarios. How about After The Apocalypse: Survivors versus the AI's & The Mutants... Admittedly it costs the equivalent of 50 Dollars or close to it. However, since a game can take anything from 20 to 60 hours in total, the odds on it having you miss enough meals and beers to more than make up for that are pretty good. I've played one game so far and just in time not spent in the pub, I've doubled my money. Next step is to replace the .wav files in the game with Hawkwind toons. FoFP From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Feb 25 11:30:43 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:30:43 -0800 Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: >P.S. To the yanks: Over xmas here there was a film that looked like a >pilot for a series. It had this woman trip through from an alternate >world escaping some bad guys who were working for "Dark Lords". She >was helped by a hospital Doctor and they both escaped her pursuers to >another alternate America where all the oil had been destroyed in the >Gulf War. her pursuers tacked 'em down again and after a battle they >escaped to yet another... > >Not a great film but I'm curious as to whether a series ever appeared? > I missed this, what was it - as well as sounding Amberish, also sounds a bit like Silverbergs "World of Tiers" ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" -R.E.M. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Feb 25 11:36:07 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:36:07 -0800 Subject: OFF Future Sound of London Message-ID: Dane wrote: > Just got this FSoL single of My Kingdom, Excvellent stuff, among the best of the new electronica ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" -R.E.M. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 25 12:25:02 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:25:02 GMT Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:30:43 -0800 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > Andy Gilham wrote: > >P.S. To the yanks: Over xmas here there was a film that looked like a > >pilot for a series. It had this woman trip through from an alternate > >world escaping some bad guys who were working for "Dark Lords". She >was > helped by a hospital Doctor and they both escaped her pursuers to > >another alternate America where all the oil had been destroyed in the > >Gulf War. her pursuers tacked 'em down again and after a battle they > >escaped to yet another... > > > >Not a great film but I'm curious as to whether a series ever appeared? > > > I missed this, what was it - as well as sounding Amberish, also sounds a bit > like Silverbergs "World of Tiers" Wasn't that Phillip Jose Farmer? Not that I read it y'unerstan' The other details that I can remember were that the woman had some sort of ray gun and also a tracker device which told her where a gate to another parallel universe would open and when. It also told her when her ex "master" who was referred to as a "manhound" was tracking her on the same parallel. The manhounds boss was a Dark Lord who was in a bubble chamber on some kinda high tech hovercraft. The implication being presumably that they were aliens who'd taken over Earth in some parallel. Not great TV. The pilot set it up that she had the doc's sympathies and he was now trapped into her flight from the Bad Guys since he couldn't get back to his own plane without figuring the technology of her pursuers. From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Feb 25 12:19:09 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:19:09 UT Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited Message-ID: >I missed this, what was it - as well as sounding Amberish, also sounds a bit >like Silverbergs "World of Tiers" You mean Philip Jose Farmer's WoT :) Hey, this IS on topic! - Andy ObCD: Various - _Where the Pyramid Meets the Eye - a tribute to Roky Erickson_ Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Feb 25 12:10:14 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:10:14 +0000 Subject: OFF Future Sound of London In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 25 Feb 1997 07:15:21 MST." Message-ID: > Just got this FSoL single of My Kingdom, features some sampled Ozrics and Rachel's Song from Blade Runner, not enough of course, but kinda cool none-the-less FSOL have been using (and acknowledging) the Ozrics for quite a while (on Lifeforms, ISDN & maybe the Cascade single). If you liked My Kingdom you'll probably dig its origin, _Dead Cities_ too. That mix of Blade Runner vox and Morricone (sp?) music from Once Upon A Time in America runs through a few tracks, including MK. Tim "Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona Bay" Tool From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Tue Feb 25 09:29:33 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:29:33 -0000 Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited Message-ID: hehe,sounds like my thing..maybe i'll buy it...if i cant sweet talk my wife into it.. =) rj > > Jeese RJ, I think you'd like Civ II. You get to build a civilization > from scratch and then try out various tactics of war, economics and > research through the ages. What would appeal to you though is that you > can fight apocalyptic wars using nukes, stealth bombers, fundamentalist > nuclear terrorism and god knows what else. If you do it well enough, > global warming happens and everyone's economy is screwed... > > Not only that but you can build your own scenarios. How about After The > Apocalypse: Survivors versus the AI's & The Mutants... > > Admittedly it costs the equivalent of 50 Dollars or close to it. > However, since a game can take anything from 20 to 60 hours in total, > the odds on it having you miss enough meals and beers to more than make > up for that are pretty good. I've played one game so far and just in > time not spent in the pub, I've doubled my money. > > Next step is to replace the .wav files in the game with Hawkwind toons. > > FoFP From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Feb 25 14:58:23 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:58:23 -0500 Subject: HW My Lucky Day Message-ID: Yup, this sounds like me when I was in Fremont, CA about a month ago. You wouldn't happen to be at the Compact Disc Warehouse now, would ya' ? Congrats on the finds.... Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Dane Carlson[SMTP:dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 1997 9:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW My Lucky Day I slowly work my way to the "H" section, hmmm...let's see, what's this, Space Ritual remaster on EMI $19.99!!!!!!!!!! I check it again, and again, I usually see this for $38.99. Then I see Doremi Fasol Latido for 19.99 as well, generally priced at $27.99. 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Anderson wrote: > > > about 100 numbered CD-R with tracks from the 1994 hawXtar gig with Nik > > Turner/darXtar will soon be released - price unknown at the moment, but US$ > > 28-30 (incl worldwide p&p) is a fair guess. > > this is a console to DAT recording. > > I assume a message will go out from the Commander when this item > is ready for lift-off? :) I'm interested!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace What ever happened to Murry Krugman? Jason Scruton From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Tue Feb 25 20:40:32 1997 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:40:32 -0800 Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited In-Reply-To: <9702251725.aa21990@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: This sounds a bit like the show, "Sliders." Is that what you're thinking of? -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu Phone: (206) 547-6164 On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, M Holmes wrote: > Chris Warburton writes: > > > Andy Gilham wrote: > > >P.S. To the yanks: Over xmas here there was a film that looked like a > > >pilot for a series. It had this woman trip through from an alternate > > >world escaping some bad guys who were working for "Dark Lords". She >was > > helped by a hospital Doctor and they both escaped her pursuers to > > >another alternate America where all the oil had been destroyed in the > > >Gulf War. her pursuers tacked 'em down again and after a battle they > > >escaped to yet another... > > > > > The other details that I can remember were that the woman had some sort > of ray gun and also a tracker device which told her where a gate to > another parallel universe would open and when. It also told her when her > ex "master" who was referred to as a "manhound" was tracking her on the > same parallel. The manhounds boss was a Dark Lord who was in a bubble > chamber on some kinda high tech hovercraft. The implication being > presumably that they were aliens who'd taken over Earth in some parallel. > > Not great TV. The pilot set it up that she had the doc's sympathies and > he was now trapped into her flight from the Bad Guys since he couldn't > get back to his own plane without figuring the technology of her pursuers. > From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Feb 25 20:40:50 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 20:40:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs revisited Message-ID: Well, the Metallica here gig looms large (it's tomorrow), so I thought I'd ask again about earplugs. All I managed to find locally were those foam ones, at a local chemist. They stocked several flavours, the main difference being in the decibel rating, which was between about 18 and 29. Does anyone know what frequency this is measured at? (I know that the attenuation is not flat for foam earplugs, i.e. they cut out more sound at higher frequencies.) So what rating do folks use? The various brands on offer seemed to indicate that the maximum rating was 30. I'm wondering if getting something near the high end of the spectrum will be too excessive in terms of sound dampening. Or should I be trying for as much as possible? I don't know. I've never worn earplugs to a gig before, so I don't know how they mutate the sound. If anyone can suggest a rating they know will sound good, feel free to let me know. Of course, the real solution to this problem is to find out what type of earplugs the sound engineer will be wearing, and to use the same brand and model. In theory, the gig will sound *perfect*. :-) Btw, last time this topic cropped up, someone mentioned high-priced, tailor-made earplugs---"musicians earplugs." Well, I did a bit of investigating about these, and the big deal about them is the fact that they have a flat attenuation curve, i.e. they cut the sound by the same amount across the audible frequency spectrum (unlike regular foam earplugs which cut it more at higher frequencies). I guess we could call them "audiophile earplugs." :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore_ From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Feb 25 22:22:28 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:22:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited Message-ID: >William Stone writes: > >> Watching figure skating on the tube this weekend, I saw a young lady >> land in I believe fifth place with the name of Amber Corwin. >> Coincidence? :0 > >> Wylie, nervously eying his Trumps > >There are Trumps for sale? There's a french outfit that sells some as images for a standard tarot deck.... but I generally make my own for whatever purposes. I've been on and off the Amber DRPG list now and then, it seemed fairly common. I keep a laminated set I printed out from Kucharski artwork colored in, I prefer his versions of the Amberites considerably over the french trumps, Neil Randall's images, or the painted amber comics that came out recently (though the GoA second series which wasn't painted was a marked improvement, though the artist wasn't allowed to draw the main characters the way he wanted... >and was considering Amber. A good map could be built with a little Well, whoever has Benedict wins, end of scenario. >I haven't seen a copy of "The Illustrated Amber". Does this contain any >maps? The technology tree would need to be substantially reworked, Um, I think so. If this is the Neil Randall visual guide to Castle Amber, I'd not recommend it. The castle they have couldn't comfortably house 50 people; it's way too small. And the maps stick to the castle, city, and nearby area. Of somewhat greater interest is a guide to amber that I came across last year (can't recall exact title offhand) but it's more like an encyclopedia with lots of entries and speculation, and even some sheet music for songs like "The Ballad of the Water Crossers"... >Anyway, if anyone has any thoughts on this, or is interested in >collaborating. Let me know... While personally interested, I imagine it's somewhat getting way off topic. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Feb 25 22:22:31 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:22:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited Message-ID: >Andrew Gilham writes: > >> >> Wylie, nervously eying his Trumps >> >Interesting name-and an awesome set of books! >> >> Well, the first ones were (when the idea was fresh and new), but one of the >> second lot (_Blood of Chaos_?) is one of the few books I've actually thrown >> across the room for being so crap. > >I'm less than convinced that Zelazny actually wrote those rather than >passed the plotlines over to the guys he had working writing the >Roadmarks(?) stuff. A signature of the first series was a reasonably As long as we're going off topic I didn't care for the second series first time through very much but somewhere around the second and a half time through I came to like them at least as much if not more than the originals. They're in a different style (it's a different narrator, after all), but it's definitely RZ. Sometime around the time the pattern being revealed as sentient the illusion of this otherwise... desirable state of things throughtout shadow... makes them somewhat less stirring, perhaps, but it works on other levels for me. (for my part, I believe it did not become sentient until Oberon did that ritual in Courts of Chaos). Incidentally, Courts of Chaos (1st series, 5th book) was the one I liked the least. I generally didn't like the description of the shadow shifting process, and that book was almost 50% nothing but that. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Feb 25 23:39:04 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:39:04 -0500 Subject: BOC: a question Message-ID: Jason Scruton wrote: >What ever happened to Murry Krugman? He lives in Ft Thet NH and has a folk record label called Silverwolf. Al From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Wed Feb 26 00:53:26 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 00:53:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs revisited Message-ID: > They stocked several flavours [of earplugs], the main > difference being in the decibel rating, which was between about 18 and 29. > > Does anyone know what frequency this is measured at? (I know that the > attenuation is not flat for foam earplugs, i.e. they cut out more sound at > higher frequencies.) It is computed by a mysterious formula, possibly detailed in ANSI S3.19-1974. You can have fun trying to deduce it from the frequency distributions listed on two different types that I happen to have here: type 1: foam cylinder. computed noise reduction rating: 29 dB freq in Hz 125 250 500 1000 2000 3150 4000 6300 8000 dB attenuation 37.4 40.9 44.8 43.8 36.3 41.9 42.6 46.1 47.3 type 2: wrapped cotton bullets. computed NRR: 26 dB freq in Hz 125 250 500 1000 2000 3150 4000 6300 8000 dB attenuation 25.4 26.6 29.5 31.9 35.3 37.9 37.8 39.1 41.8 > So what rating do folks use? The various brands on > offer seemed to indicate that the maximum rating was 30. I think that means "common maximum", not "mathematical absolute maximum". The kind I sleep with, green foam bullets that I don't have a freq breakdown for, boast a 31 rating. To add an additional wrinkle, something used to be different about the computation, because the NRR on a ten-year-old sheet from a pack of type #1s above gives the same freq breakdown but a 35 NRR! From stayer at PI.NET Wed Feb 26 01:01:05 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:01:05 -0800 Subject: Danish Rock Musician Message-ID: I got a message from someone inquiring about a Danish rock musician. > A Palestinian asshole shot 5 people on the top of the Empire State Building. > He killed a 27 year old Danish rock musician by the name of Christoffer > Burmeister. Does this name ring a bell for one of BOC-L's Danish subscribers? Jerry ___________________________________________ "if hate and war could solve anything don't you think they'd solved it a long time ago?" - Geoff Mann in "Sequences" (Twelfth Night) From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Wed Feb 26 03:20:00 1997 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 00:20:00 -0800 Subject: OFF Art Bell page Message-ID: Here is a page that has some trippy spacy stuff, w photos of Hale-Bopp: http://www.artbell.com/index-main.html ,BB spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 25 04:34:35 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:34:35 +0000 Subject: HW: Motorhead - On Parole remastered In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Carl E. Anderson" writes > Sounds great--what are the extra tracks, BTW. (though I suppose >I'll find it out when I get it, since this is a must have! :) > > I quite like the slow-n-bluesy "Iron Horse" on this as well ... > [Hey--Jazza, that would make a great cover song .... :) ] > >Cheers, >Carl They are previously unreleased alternate takes of On Parole, City Kids, Motorhead and Leaving Here. and for the price of 3 bottles of Beck's, it's a must-have alright, if just for The Watcher and Lost Johnny, both definative versions I'd argue (for hours and hours in some pub probably, if I could find someone who'd argue the point :-) ) -- Jon Browne ObCD - right now Vintage - Best of Moby Grape From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 26 06:01:57 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:01:57 GMT Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited In-Reply-To: P Worley's message of Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:40:32 -0800 Message-ID: P Worley writes: > This sounds a bit like the show, "Sliders." Is that what you're thinking > of? Yep, that could have been the name of it. Is it a series now then? FoFP From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Feb 26 06:12:59 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:12:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:01:57 GMT." <9702261101.aa10200@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: > P Worley writes: > > > This sounds a bit like the show, "Sliders." Is that what you're thinking > > of? > > Yep, that could have been the name of it. Is it a series now then? Well the premise sounds like Sliders, though the actual plot doesn't. Sliders (the series) has been & gone on BBC2. Wasn't convinced myself. Hadn't the script writers ever heard of butterfly's wings an' all that ? :) Tim From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 26 06:43:11 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:43:11 GMT Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited In-Reply-To: bart's message of Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:12:59 +0000 Message-ID: bart writes: > Well the premise sounds like Sliders, though the actual plot doesn't. What was the difference? > Sliders (the series) has been & gone on BBC2. Wasn't convinced myself. Hadn't > the script writers ever heard of butterfly's wings an' all that ? :) When was this on? I'm a tad surprised that I didn't spot it. > Tim FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 26 07:30:49 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:30:49 +0000 Subject: OFF: Earplugs revisited In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Feb 25, 97 08:40:50 pm Message-ID: For hyper-loud concerts I tend to favor a set of orange rubber plugs which look suspiciously like Babel fish :) or alternatively very small aerial bombs. I think the were rated around 29 decibels. I find that they seem to me to cut a good bit of high end, which generally improves the sound at most very loud gigs I'm at, as these seem to be overly heavy on high end. I tend to adjust sound level by pushing them further in or out of my ears :) They do the job. Cheers, Carl From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 26 03:13:21 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:13:21 -0000 Subject: Danish Rock Musician Message-ID: they said on the news that this guy (the musician) hadn't quite broken thru yet. said he was on the verge of success... rj ---------- > From: Jerry > > I got a message from someone inquiring about a Danish rock musician. > > > A Palestinian asshole shot 5 people on the top of the Empire State Building. > > He killed a 27 year old Danish rock musician by the name of Christoffer > > Burmeister. > > Does this name ring a bell for one of BOC-L's Danish subscribers? > > Jerry From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 26 03:14:57 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:14:57 -0000 Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited Message-ID: yes,sliders is a series....it grows very old and lame after about the second episode. (IMO,of course). rj ---------- > From: M Holmes > P Worley writes: > > > This sounds a bit like the show, "Sliders." Is that what you're thinking > > of? > > Yep, that could have been the name of it. Is it a series now then? > > FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 26 08:35:19 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:35:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs revisited Message-ID: >Does anyone know what frequency this is measured at? I thought it was 1 Khz, but I'm not positive. There was some literature with Sonic II Noisefilters (the plugs I use - available at many music stores - the ones that sell instruments, not records) that mentioned that Sonic II seemingly have a low (i.e. not as good) rating due to the frequency that the measurement is taken at, while in fact the attenuation at higher (more damaging) frequencies is much greater. 1 KHz is not a particularly high frequency -> note that 16 Khz, which is around the limits of human hearing (depending on how many Metallica concerts you've been to) is 4 octaves higher than this. Again, if you want a low-cost alternative to the high-priced plugs, and don't like the "plugged up" feeling of ordinary earplugs or cotton, I recommend Sonic II Noisefilters. John From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Wed Feb 26 09:01:53 1997 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 05:01:53 -0900 Subject: OFF Art Bell page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Baron Bloom wrote: > Here is a page that has some trippy spacy stuff, w photos of Hale-Bopp: > http://www.artbell.com/index-main.html Oh no!!! The Art Bell listeners have invaded BOC/HW-L!! (Don't worry, I am one of you... in fact I am listening to the show as I type this.) Gibble Gobble, one of us... Gibble Gobble, one of us... [Tod Browning, _Freaks_] -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 26 08:35:55 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:35:55 EDT Subject: OFF: Earplugs revisited Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Again, if you want a low-cost alternative to the high-priced plugs, and > don't like the "plugged up" feeling of ordinary earplugs or cotton, I > recommend Sonic II Noisefilters. > > John I second that. The Sonics are nice because they don't muffle everything. Everything sounds [pretty much] normal, as opposed to the foam ones that [predictably]sound like you're listening through foam. The sonics have a little valve in them that eliminates only the damaging high-frequency stuff. Give 'em a try... theo From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 26 10:12:06 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:12:06 GMT Subject: OFF: Comets In-Reply-To: William Fuller's message of Wed, 26 Feb 1997 05:01:53 -0900 Message-ID: William Fuller writes: > On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Baron Bloom wrote: > > Here is a page that has some trippy spacy stuff, w photos of Hale-Bopp: > > http://www.artbell.com/index-main.html Where is Hale-Bopp at the moment? I was on a rare out of town expedition and noticed an even rarer clear sky. I thought I saw something that didn't belong there off the left side of the crosstie of the Northern Cross. Magnitude was about 1.0 * X * * * ^ | Mystery Object * * So was that it or was it just a plane coming in or something? Maybe I'll get a good view when I'm in Canada (Banff) at the start of April? From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Feb 26 11:15:10 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:15:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs revisited In-Reply-To: <49D76D43AF@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > From: John A Swartz > > Again, if you want a low-cost alternative to the high-priced plugs, and > > don't like the "plugged up" feeling of ordinary earplugs or cotton, I > > recommend Sonic II Noisefilters. > > > > John > > I second that. The Sonics are nice because they don't muffle > everything. Everything sounds [pretty much] normal, as opposed to > the foam ones that [predictably]sound like you're listening through > foam. The sonics have a little valve in them that eliminates only > the damaging high-frequency stuff. Give 'em a try... I had a look for them, but didn't manage to find any; all I could find locally were the foam types. I have another look this lunchtime (there's a musical instrument shop downtown I haven't tried), but unless I'm lucky, it looks like it's foam for me. Many thanks to everyone for the info. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sundial, _Live Drug_ e-mail: paul at csgrad..cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Wed Feb 26 11:23:38 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:23:38 -0000 Subject: OFF: Earplugs revisited Message-ID: Try a gun shop Mike P ---------- From: Paul Mather[SMTP:paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU] Sent: 26 February 1997 16:15 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: Earplugs revisited On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > From: John A Swartz > > Again, if you want a low-cost alternative to the high-priced plugs, and > > don't like the "plugged up" feeling of ordinary earplugs or cotton, I > > recommend Sonic II Noisefilters. > > > > John > > I second that. The Sonics are nice because they don't muffle > everything. Everything sounds [pretty much] normal, as opposed to > the foam ones that [predictably]sound like you're listening through > foam. The sonics have a little valve in them that eliminates only > the damaging high-frequency stuff. Give 'em a try... I had a look for them, but didn't manage to find any; all I could find locally were the foam types. I have another look this lunchtime (there's a musical instrument shop downtown I haven't tried), but unless I'm lucky, it looks like it's foam for me. Many thanks to everyone for the info. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sundial, _Live Drug_ e-mail: paul at csgrad..cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From christoj at UG1.PLK.AF.MIL Wed Feb 26 11:42:58 1997 From: christoj at UG1.PLK.AF.MIL (Julian Christou) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:42:58 -0700 Subject: OFF: CLONE In-Reply-To: <199702261000.FAA06361@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Well after following the news over the last couple days about the cloned sheep up in Scotland, maybe Bob Calvert was being very prphetic "I am a Clone, I am not Alone" It must be the Spirit of The Age!!! Julian -- +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ | Dr. Julian Christou | Phone: 505-846-4712 x330 | | PL/LIG, Phillips Lab | FAX: 505-846-2213 | | 3550 Aberdeen SE +-----------------------------+ | Kirtland AFB, NM 87117-5776 | E-mail: christoj at plk.af.mil | +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ "One trend that bothers me is the glorification of stupidity, that the media is reassuring people it's all right not to know anything...That to me is far more dangerous than a little pornography on the Internet" ... Carl Sagan From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 26 05:44:36 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:44:36 +0000 Subject: HW Opinions on Nik In-Reply-To: <199702251342.NAA05233@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <199702251342.NAA05233 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >My impression is that the anti-Nik feeling focusses mainly on (a) his >performances with HW in the early 80's, and (b) his use of the name >"Hawkwind" more recently. Even so, opinion varies widely, with several >people really liking his early 80's stuff and some people thinking he's >morally entitled to use the name. I haven't heard many people slag him >off for the music he's been playing recently. My opinion is that it's >a mixed bag. Sphynx is pretty good, Anubian Lights is OK, Prophets Of >Time was bad. The descriptions of Space Ritual '94 didn't sell it to >me, but Past Or Future sounds promising. I must pick it up sometime. > >Dave. >-- Nik is my favorite Hawk. In any incarnation he is the most consistantly funny, entertaining and enlightening performer. -BUT- calling the band NT's HW is IMO the only wrong move the guy's made. I would have thought it beneath his dignity, if nothing else. The music's great, Space Ritual is a great name, he must have known the challenge to the name would be doomed. I guess he felt he had to try. Whether he is morally he entitled to the name, I don't know. He sure as shit ain't legally. As to this "more original members" line. That's just nostalgia or somesuch whimsy. Del was in the band, what, three years? Contributed to three studio and one live album (I know the Live was Space Ritual but bear with me). Why does that make Alan's 13 years less of a contribution? There's no way, either Del or Astral Al is more of a "true" Hawk than Alan. I'm not taking anything away from Del or Al, I'm trying to point out that the existing DB Hawkwind has "paid it's dues" Del wasn't there "at the beginning" but he made a significant contribution. So did Alan Davey. Niether is "original" and frankly, who cares? Both are brilliant. At the end of the day all these guys have enriched my life no end and I thank them all. But Hawkwind is Dave Brock's band. No question. -- Jon Browne From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 26 12:03:00 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:03:00 GMT Subject: OFF: CLONE In-Reply-To: Julian Christou's message of Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:42:58 -0700 Message-ID: Julian Christou writes: > Well after following the news over the last couple days about the cloned > sheep up in Scotland, maybe Bob Calvert was being very prphetic Jeese, you here almost nothing else around here. People seem to be expecting to be invaded by dinosaurs ridden by 100 Hitlers before the weekend is out. The government have apparently made cloning humans illegal. So you can't even breed how you like without the bloody government's permission. FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 26 05:29:47 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:29:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited In-Reply-To: <9702251601.aa08157@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9702251601.aa08157 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >Admittedly it costs the equivalent of 50 Dollars or close to it. >However, since a game can take anything from 20 to 60 hours in total, >the odds on it having you miss enough meals and beers to more than make >up for that are pretty good. I've played one game so far and just in >time not spent in the pub, I've doubled my money. I have to wait until about 10.00 before I can start playing. Since CIV- II entered my life, I've learnt to get by on 3-4 hours sleep a night. I don't miss out on beers etc. though. Don't you find you can drink like a fish and not notice it (till you stand up) when you're playing? You're right about meals though :)) -- Jon Browne From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 26 12:30:30 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:30:30 GMT Subject: OFF: Civ II In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:29:47 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > I have to wait until about 10.00 before I can start playing. Since CIV- > II entered my life, I've learnt to get by on 3-4 hours sleep a night. I > don't miss out on beers etc. though. Don't you find you can drink like a > fish and not notice it (till you stand up) when you're playing? The PC I play on is in the office so I haven't been fetching carry-outs for my after hours sessions against the French. We do have a fridge though... > You're right about meals though :)) The first time I played Civ, I'd bought it on a Saturday afternoon and wanted to have a look before going to the cinema with the SO. We took a "quick look" at the program at 6.00pm. The SO went home at 1am while I was in a tricky landwar so I said I'd just finish the enemy off on that island and straigten out the economy a little. Af 10.00am she phoned to ask if I might be considering coming back for breakfast. The new version of Civ is definitely better but I miss the newspaper headlines (which could be amended to "Princess Di has Two-Headed Baby!" instead of the duller "Global Warming - Sea levels rise!") and I miss the "Fast-replay" option that we used to get. I also heard that if you alter byte 47 in the exe file (take a backup first - I warned ya!) you can get multiplayer games. the Least bit sets the Barbarians so you have to leave that alone, but the other seven bits are for the 7 Civilisations. If the bit is off then they're AI's. If the bit is on, then they're prompted for human play. So with a little effort with a byte editor, you can get multi-player games. Can't wait for CivNet II though. I'd also wondered about doing a Mars scenario. Does anyone have any decent terrain maps of Mars? > Jon Browne FoFP From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Feb 26 12:54:33 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:54:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs re-revisited In-Reply-To: <49D76D43AF@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > I second that. The Sonics are nice because they don't muffle > everything. Everything sounds [pretty much] normal, as opposed to > the foam ones that [predictably]sound like you're listening through > foam. The sonics have a little valve in them that eliminates only > the damaging high-frequency stuff. Give 'em a try... Actually, I had a bit of luck this lunchtime and managed to acquire some at a local music shop (thanks for the suggestion, John). I guess I'll see what they're like tonight... Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _New River Head_ From ellis at SES.COM Wed Feb 26 13:49:34 1997 From: ellis at SES.COM (Michel Ellis) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:49:34 -0600 Subject: HW: Motorhead - On Parole remastered Message-ID: A couple of Stateside questions - What label has the remastered disk been released on ? UK-only ? Does anyone know how the sound quality compares with the Cleopatra release from a couple of years back ? -mike At 09:34 AM 2/25/97 +0000, you wrote: >In message , "Carl E. Anderson" > writes >> Sounds great--what are the extra tracks, BTW. (though I suppose >>I'll find it out when I get it, since this is a must have! :) >> >> I quite like the slow-n-bluesy "Iron Horse" on this as well ... >> [Hey--Jazza, that would make a great cover song .... :) ] >> >>Cheers, >>Carl > >They are previously unreleased alternate takes of On Parole, City Kids, >Motorhead and Leaving Here. and for the price of 3 bottles of Beck's, >it's a must-have alright, if just for The Watcher and Lost Johnny, both >definative versions I'd argue (for hours and hours in some pub probably, >if I could find someone who'd argue the point :-) ) >-- >Jon Browne >ObCD - right now Vintage - Best of Moby Grape > > From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Feb 26 12:42:10 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:42:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs revisited In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Feb 25, 97 08:40:50 pm Message-ID: Paul says-- > Well, the Metallica here gig looms large (it's tomorrow), so I thought I'd > ask again about earplugs. All I managed to find locally were those foam > ones, at a local chemist. A "local chemist" in Blacksburg, VA? ;-) > They stocked several flavours, the main > difference being in the decibel rating, which was between about 18 and 29. I confess that I've never worn earplugs to a concert either, but it seems reasonable that you'd want to cut the higher frequencies a bit, and that you probably want a "low end" decibel rating. However, if they don't cost too much, you might want to get both a "low end" and a "high end" pair, and see which works best. > Of course, the real solution to this problem is to find out what type of > earplugs the sound engineer will be wearing, and to use the same brand and > model. In theory, the gig will sound *perfect*. :-) > > Btw, last time this topic cropped up, someone mentioned high-priced, > tailor-made earplugs---"musicians earplugs." Well, I did a bit of > investigating about these, and the big deal about them is the fact that > they have a flat attenuation curve, i.e. they cut the sound by the same > amount across the audible frequency spectrum (unlike regular foam earplugs > which cut it more at higher frequencies). I guess we could call them > "audiophile earplugs." :-) Unless these are prohibitively expensive they might be the best choice. If they do cost an arm and a leg, then you might want to get a cheap pair with a comparable decibel rating. I envy you. I didn't hear about the Metallica concert (or it didn't register :-) ), and they're one of the few remaining bands I'd pay money to see. I hope it's a great show! :-) Guido obCDplayer--Frank Zappa Plays the Music of Frank Zappa -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Wed Feb 26 15:07:49 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:07:49 CST Subject: OFF: CLONE Message-ID: OK, so what's the story on these sheep being cloned? I've not heard anything here in Kansas (go figure) about it. Are these sheep fully viable, as if not vat-grown?? Did they really _need_ to outlaw the cloning of humans, or was that just a nod in the direction of good old procreation the old fashioned way? ;-> Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 1997 11:26 AM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: OFF: CLONE Julian Christou writes: > Well after following the news over the last couple days about the cloned > sheep up in Scotland, maybe Bob Calvert was being very prphetic Jeese, you here almost nothing else around here. People seem to be expecting to be invaded by dinosaurs ridden by 100 Hitlers before the weekend is out. The government have apparently made cloning humans illegal. So you can't even breed how you like without the bloody government's permission. FoFP From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Feb 26 15:31:41 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:31:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs revisited In-Reply-To: <9702261742.AA13479@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: Guido writes: > I confess that I've never worn earplugs to a concert either, but it seems > reasonable that you'd want to cut the higher frequencies a bit, and that you > probably want a "low end" decibel rating. However, if they don't cost too much, > you might want to get both a "low end" and a "high end" pair, and see which > works best. I bought a pair of Sonic II Noise Filters today (Al Bouchard's earplug of choice;), and also have a pair of foam earplugs a friend gave me. The Sonic II's are less comfortable to wear, but don't sound as "muffled" as the foam ones. > > Btw, last time this topic cropped up, someone mentioned high-priced, > > tailor-made earplugs---"musicians earplugs." Well, I did a bit of > > investigating about these, and the big deal about them is the fact that > > they have a flat attenuation curve, i.e. they cut the sound by the same > > amount across the audible frequency spectrum (unlike regular foam earplugs > > which cut it more at higher frequencies). I guess we could call them > > "audiophile earplugs." :-) > > Unless these are prohibitively expensive they might be the best choice. If they > do cost an arm and a leg, then you might want to get a cheap pair with a > comparable decibel rating. They do cost an arm and a leg ($150+, I seem to recall), because you have to have an audiologist take an impression of your ear canal, which is used as a blueprint for the custom-made earplugs. > I envy you. I didn't hear about the Metallica concert (or it didn't register :-) > ), and they're one of the few remaining bands I'd pay money to see. I hope it's > a great show! :-) Me too. Like I said in my original post on this thread back in January, it's not often SW Virginia gets *any* rock concerts, let alone someone like Metallica. This is definitely Country country. ;-) Btw, according to today's local paper, they say tickets are still available. I am rather sceptical, though. I bought my ticket the afternoon of the day they went on sale, and when I got mine, the main floor had already sold out and only the "reserved seating" around the outside was still available. Even then, the best I could get was near the back. Plus, two other people here have told me they wanted to go, but couldn't get tickets (but then again, one of the people I am travelling with tonight said he bought his ticket fairly late). Maybe the local paper is trying to drum up trade for the scalpers, or else the box office purposefully keeps back a stash of tickets to flog on the night? > obCDplayer--Frank Zappa Plays the Music of Frank Zappa Is this a new release??? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Smashing Pumpkins, _Gish_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Feb 26 12:31:40 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:31:40 -0000 Subject: OFF: CLONE Message-ID: they were done by palcing the dna from one sheep into the egg of another. not vat-grown. last i heard,last nite, there was no legislation concerning cloning,but some people thought they oughts get on it. the worry is that rich folk will have themselves cloned for spare parts,which raises a slavery type issue. me, i dont care what they do. rj > OK, so what's the story on these sheep being cloned? I've not heard > anything here in Kansas (go figure) about it. Are these sheep fully > viable, as if not vat-grown?? > > Did they really _need_ to outlaw the cloning of humans, or was that just > a nod in the direction of good old procreation the old fashioned way? > ;-> > > Allan. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > From: BOC-L > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 1997 11:26 AM > To: Grohe, Allan T.; > Subject: Re: OFF: CLONE > > Julian Christou writes: > > > Well after following the news over the last couple days about the > cloned > > sheep up in Scotland, maybe Bob Calvert was being very prphetic > > Jeese, you here almost nothing else around here. People seem to be > expecting to be invaded by dinosaurs ridden by 100 Hitlers before the > weekend is out. > > The government have apparently made cloning humans illegal. So you can't > even breed how you like without the bloody government's permission. > > FoFP From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Wed Feb 26 15:49:53 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:49:53 -0700 Subject: OFF: CLONE Message-ID: Julian Christou wrote: > > Well after following the news over the last couple days about the cloned > sheep up in Scotland, maybe Bob Calvert was being very prphetic > > "I am a Clone, I am not Alone" > > It must be the Spirit of The Age!!! > My thoughts exactly!!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace >From the manager of the club: >My name is Tony Basti, manager of Shakey's in Hershey, PA. I would like to >promote a BOC show at the club on Saturday March 22, 1997. My online >provider does not have the BOC newsgoup so I can't send to the group. If you >could help me out it would be much appreciated. Thank you, Tony Basti BOC SATURDAY MARCH 22, 1997 Shakey's Bar & Grill 312 Mill Street Hershey, PA Call for tickets 717-533-9824 or TICKETMASTER YnSSHM, Ben From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Feb 26 21:08:38 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:08:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs revisited In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Feb 26, 97 03:31:41 pm Message-ID: Paul says-- > Me too. Like I said in my original post on this thread back in January, > it's not often SW Virginia gets *any* rock concerts, let alone someone > like Metallica. This is definitely Country country. ;-) I doubt we'll ever see Hawkwind out here! :-) > > obCDplayer--Frank Zappa Plays the Music of Frank Zappa > > Is this a new release??? Sort of. It's a mail order only thingy (check out www.zappa.com) consisting of two versions each of "Watermelon in Easter Hay", "Black Napkins", and "Zoot Allures". Unfortunately, one of the two versions is the original, released version, so there is the unavoidable Kollektor redundancy to contend with. :-P The other versions are extremely nice live recordings which predate the "official" versions. The liner notes (written by Dweezil) indicate that these three compositions were special or unique to Frank. There's also a track entitled "Merely a Blues in A". The packaging is very nice, the music is top notch, but the price tag is a bit high. I have no regrets. :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From rbwelch at NETCOM.COM Thu Feb 27 01:34:02 1997 From: rbwelch at NETCOM.COM (Robert B. Welch) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:34:02 -0800 Subject: OFF: Comets In-Reply-To: <9702261512.aa16293@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, M Holmes wrote: > William Fuller writes: > > > On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Baron Bloom wrote: > > > Here is a page that has some trippy spacy stuff, w photos of Hale-Bopp: > > > http://www.artbell.com/index-main.html > > Where is Hale-Bopp at the moment? I was on a rare out of town expedition > and noticed an even rarer clear sky. I thought I saw something that > didn't belong there off the left side of the crosstie of the Northern > Cross. Magnitude was about 1.0 > > * > > > > X * * * > ^ > | > Mystery Object > * > > > > > * > > > So was that it or was it just a plane coming in or something? > > Maybe I'll get a good view when I'm in Canada (Banff) at the start of April? > Congratulations. You found it. Yes, that was Comet Hale-Bopp. The start of April should be a wonderful time to view it, as it will be at perihelion on April 1. The comet should be a very prominent object in the evening sky. And for observers far enough north, it should be visible all night. Robert Welch +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Tell me about your portfolio! Lie to me about your family!" Cmdr. Ivanova, Babylon 5, while having "sex". "Sometimes the segue actually makes sense." Joe Bob Briggs, drive-in movie critic rbwelch at netcom.com From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Feb 27 01:57:09 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:57:09 +1000 Subject: OFF: Comets Message-ID: At 10:34 PM 26/02/97 -0800, you wrote: >On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, M Holmes wrote: > >> William Fuller writes: >> So was that it or was it just a plane coming in or something? >> >> Maybe I'll get a good view when I'm in Canada (Banff) at the start of April? >> > >Congratulations. You found it. Yes, that was Comet Hale-Bopp. The start >of April should be a wonderful time to view it, as it will be at >perihelion on April 1. The comet should be a very prominent object in the >evening sky. And for observers far enough north, it should be visible all >night. > >Robert Welch What about the southern hemisphere? Do you know if we get a look, too? And if we do, how to find it? Pete. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Money isn't everything; it usually isn't even enough." - Anon. From rbwelch at NETCOM.COM Thu Feb 27 02:47:27 1997 From: rbwelch at NETCOM.COM (Robert B. Welch) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 23:47:27 -0800 Subject: OFF: Comets In-Reply-To: <199702270657.QAA17928@pigeon.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Peter Sondergeld wrote: > > What about the southern hemisphere? Do you know if we get a look, too? And > if we do, how to find it? > Pete. > > > ************************** > Peter Sondergeld > p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au > > "Money isn't everything; it usually isn't even enough." - Anon. > Sorry, but the Southern Hemisphere doesn't get a view until after May. You guys got cheated out of a good comet (Hyakutake) last year as well. Maybe this is some sort of cosmic retribution for having the only decent views of Halley back in '86. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Tell me about your portfolio! Lie to me about your family!" Cmdr. Ivanova, Babylon 5, while having "sex". "Sometimes the segue actually makes sense." Joe Bob Briggs, drive-in movie critic rbwelch at netcom.com From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Thu Feb 27 03:57:18 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:57:18 -0000 Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited Message-ID: Damn, I've been trashing these Amber mails & now it seems that we are talking about computer games. What is this one then? Mike P In message <9702251601.aa08157 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >Admittedly it costs the equivalent of 50 Dollars or close to it. >However, since a game can take anything from 20 to 60 hours in total, >the odds on it having you miss enough meals and beers to more than make >up for that are pretty good. I've played one game so far and just in >time not spent in the pub, I've doubled my money. From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Thu Feb 27 04:49:12 1997 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 01:49:12 -0800 Subject: OFF: Sliders In-Reply-To: <199702261316.IAA07006@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, RJ wrote: > > > From: M Holmes > > > > P Worley writes: > > > This sounds a bit like the show, "Sliders." Is that what you're > thinking > > > of? > > > > Yep, that could have been the name of it. Is it a series now then? > > > > FoFP > > yes,sliders is a series....it grows very old and lame after about the > second episode. (IMO,of course). rj Hmm, perhaps. They have some pretty new ideas now and again. There's nothing better on in it's time slot (in my region), so if I'm home I'll watch it. -PWW -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Thu Feb 27 05:05:25 1997 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:05:25 GMT Subject: OFF: CLONE Message-ID: Allan asked... > OK, so what's the story on these sheep being cloned? I've not heard > anything here in Kansas (go figure) about it. Are these sheep fully > viable, as if not vat-grown?? Yep, they're the real deal. That, of course, is what makes it so exciting for the scientists and soooooo scary for the no-brainers in the media. WHy is it that journalists (in the UK at least) are always trying to whip up big scares about things they don't understand? > Did they really _need_ to outlaw the cloning of humans, or was that just > a nod in the direction of good old procreation the old fashioned way? This was made illegal when they passed the human fertilisation act - yet another... ahem - fine... piece of legislation. OK so you can't be cloned well great why would you want to be? After all despite what Uncle Bob wrote it wouldn't be you would it? Personally I'd clone scientifically illiterate MPs and journos and then let every free-thinker in the country *educate* one :-) Chris From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 27 05:06:21 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:06:21 +0000 Subject: HW: Motorhead - On Parole remastered In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970226124933.009b8190@ses.com> Message-ID: In message <3.0.32.19970226124933.009b8190 at ses.com>, Michel Ellis writes >A couple of Stateside questions - > >What label has the remastered disk been released on ? UK-only ? EMI. Don't know. > >Does anyone know how the sound quality compares with the Cleopatra >release from a couple of years back ? I never heard the Cleo release but the question implies it was less than perfect. This, to my cloth ears, is. The liners say Tracks 1-9 Digital remasters @ (pretend that's a copyright symbol) 1997 EMI Records Tracks 10-13 mixed by Paul Hicks, Abbey Road Studios 1996 I'm surprised to see this much effort on a budget/mid-price release really. > >-mike > -- Jon Browne ObNEWS : The Verve have re-formed!!!!!!! With Nick McCabe!!!!! THE BAND OF THE NINTIES ARE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 27 05:27:45 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:27:45 GMT Subject: OFF: CLONE In-Reply-To: Allan T. Grohe, Jr.'s message of Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:07:49 CST Message-ID: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. writes: > OK, so what's the story on these sheep being cloned? I've not heard > anything here in Kansas (go figure) about it. Are these sheep fully > viable, as if not vat-grown?? They took an udder cell from an adult sheep and fused the nucleus with the egg cell of another sheep from which they'd removed the nucleus. They then implanted the egg into a third sheep and waited however many sheep months you need to wait. "Dolly" now looks as much like any other sheep that I've seen. > Did they really _need_ to outlaw the cloning of humans, or was that just > a nod in the direction of good old procreation the old fashioned way? I think that our politicians, like politicians elsewhere, have never seen anything they didn't want to regulate. > Allan. FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 27 05:19:18 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:19:18 +0000 Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited In-Reply-To: <01BC248C.3CF2D5A0@agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com> Message-ID: In message <01BC248C.3CF2D5A0 at agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com>, Mike Parkington writes >Damn, > >I've been trashing these Amber mails & now it seems that we are talking about >computer games. What is this one then? > >Mike P Never, never trash a Boc-l mailing without inspection. Not comets, earplugs, German stagedivers, Digs at Club Ninja, sci-fi books you've never read, etc. All is germaine to boc-l culture. And always read the sig.files for ObCDs :-) It's CIV-II BTW! -- Jon Browne ObCD - Long Ago And Worlds Apart - A Tribute to the Small Faces by Buzzcocks, Ride, Primal Scream etc. From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Feb 27 05:50:50 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 02:50:50 -0800 Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited Message-ID: RE following cock-up: >> like Silverbergs "World of Tiers" > >Wasn't that Phillip Jose Farmer? Not that I read it y'unerstan' > Sorry, brain out to lunch (that's the trouble with doing this in the office) ;-{)> It was Farmer. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" -R.E.M. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 27 06:03:04 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:03:04 GMT Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited In-Reply-To: Mike Parkington's message of Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:57:18 -0000 Message-ID: Mike Parkington writes: > Damn, > I've been trashing these Amber mails & now it seems that we are > talking about computer games. What is this one then? Civilization II by Sid Meier has been voted numero uno strategy game at least once. It was based on a board game but is like a very very advanced version of the old "Populus" computer game. In the game you get a terrain map, which you may only see one tiny part of at the start. You initialy have one Settlers unit which can build a city wherever you decide the terrain is good. Different terrain allows you to produce food, resources or trade. Some food feeds the population and any excess goes into food store. Once you have enough excess, you get more population and the food store empties again. That new population unit can be assigned to any terrain square within the city limit and this may be chosen to create more excess food, so allowing the store to build up and continue increasing population in the same way, or perhaps different terrain will allow creation of resources (shields) or trade. Shields accumulate into the resources box and can contribute towards building city improvements or new units. New units could be settlers, military units, or city improvements. Settlers can irrigate, mine or build roads to increase production in a city square, or speed travel, or start a new city nearby. City improvements can help city production of food, shields, or trade (trade is subdivided into tax, science, and luxuries and each of these can also be increased by some city improvements). Other city improvements contribute to defence of the city. Military units and city improvements can be built. What you can build depends on your tech level. Your tech level depends on how much science is produced which depends on your choices of improvements and what on the available technology tree you choose to research. Usually each new (and more powerful) military unit depends on two specific advances having been successfully researched, as do certain city improvements. You play against up to 7 AI civilizations who start somewhere unknown on the map. You explore until you find them. If you find that you;re on an island then you need to research seafaring to move units to other islands and explore. When you meet other civs, there are diplomatic options such as treaty or alliance. Of course there's always war. If you break treaties, other civs remember and it'll cost more in tribute (paid from tax). So you have to guide your civilisation through exploration, expansion, and dealings with other civilisations. You have to manage an economy to ensure that you have enough researchers (no good going against tanks with armoured knights) to ensure that you stay in the game militarily and are able to defend your cities. You have to produce enough food for any expansion. You have to raise enough tax to cover the costs of maintaining city improvements and perhaps bribing attacking units or subversives in opponents cities, or perhaps to maintain a military expedition. You have to be a shrewd negotiator and know how to use diplomats and spies. You may be called upon to fight with Chariots on a plain, a submarine war, and air war, or even a nuclear war, with many units of different capabilities to use and defend against. You can win either by being the first Civilisation to build a starship and send a Settlers unit to Alpha Centauri, or you can win by conquering the last enemy city in the world. Of course, they'll all be trying to do the same and it can be fairly heartbreaking to see a civilisation that you've built fall to an enemy attack because you didn't have enough naval patrols to stop 'em establishing a beachhead. You can also play scenarios designed by other enthusiasts, either by saving an interesting position in a random game, or by deliberately designing their own world maps, technology research trees, military units, city improvements etc. There are at least 100 scenarions out there on the Web including Gulf War, Nuclear Strike, Melnibone, Middle Earth, Pacific War, and I've even heard of one for Ringworld. You can also design your own. To call this game "addictive" doesn't do it justice. You will miss meals. You will miss sleep. You will say "I'll just finish off the French on this island and then I'll go to bed". FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 27 06:13:05 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:13:05 GMT Subject: OFF: CLONE In-Reply-To: Chris Bates's message of Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:05:25 GMT Message-ID: Chris Bates writes: > Yep, they're the real deal. That, of course, is what makes > it so exciting for the scientists and soooooo scary for the > no-brainers in the media. WHy is it that journalists (in the > UK at least) are always trying to whip up big scares about > things they don't understand? Now *that* is the Spirit of the Age. From Child-eating Dogs through Madmen With Guns, Feral Kids With Knives, Ravers On E, Ultraviolent Videos and an entire encyclopedia of Threats To Life As We Know It, the comics regale us with the news that Life Is Not 100% Safe and the Government Should Do Something About It. Which of course they're only too happy to do, by regulating what you watch, what you read, what you may eat, what sorts of pets you may keep, what you may use to defend yourself, what sorts of sex you may have, and of course what you can put on the internet. A neurotic demand for the impossible goal of 100% safety is leading to the loss of more and more freedoms. It's a police state by popular demand. I'm geginning to think Toffler ws right and that Future Shock is manifesting itself in an insane concern with trivial risks with the solution being a blind unconcern with the one thing which has killed most people this century: the state. > Chris FoFP From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Feb 27 07:06:49 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:06:49 +1100 Subject: OFF: CLONE In-Reply-To: <9702271113.aa28842@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, M Holmes wrote: > Chris Bates writes: > > I'm geginning to think Toffler ws right and that Future Shock is > manifesting itself in an insane concern with trivial risks with the > solution being a blind unconcern with the one thing which has killed > most people this century: the state. HUH? The State? Please expound. I thought Death was the major killer of people. :) ...... Troy "the state protects and keeps me, and my conscience never leads me" - Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull. "You want the government to raise your kids- here comes the backlash" - Neon Cross, commenting on current crime rate and depression. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 27 08:36:31 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:36:31 -0500 Subject: tBS on AOL Message-ID: For those of you AOL folks that haven't looked carefully lately, there's now a Brain Surgeons folder in the "Classic Rock" section (why there? I' am not sure) of the music message center. Both Deb and Al (along with Billy Hilfiger) have posted there recently. Also, Al mentioned a second show in NY in April (I think) besides the one in NJ previously mentioned here. Stay tuned - I'm sure he'll fill us in too. John From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Feb 27 08:37:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:37:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: CLONE In-Reply-To: Troy Harris' mail of Thu, 27 Feb 97 23:06 +1100 Message-ID: On 27 Feb 12:06, Troy Harris wrote: > > a blind unconcern with the one thing which has killed > > most people this century: the state. > > HUH? The State? Please expound. I thought Death was the major killer > of people. :) ...... The state doesn't kill people. People kill people. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Feb 27 08:43:22 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:43:22 UT Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited Message-ID: Just being cheeky for a moment - doesn't the urge to play "god" games, in which you are the central planner of an entire society, hold some contradictions with being a libertarian? :)) Even benevolent dictatorship is still dictatorship... - Andy ObCD: Wayne Kramer - _Dangerous Madness_ Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Thu Feb 27 09:19:58 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:19:58 +0000 Subject: OFF: CLONE In-Reply-To: <199702271337.NAA21925@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: Do I detect an oversimplification here? You are quite right - people do the killing, but is it on their own initiative? Was the First World War, for instance, the result of mass psychosis. On the scale that was being discussed, it is politicians, and therefore the state, that does the killing and whose hands drip with the blood of the innocent. Sorry for the heavy response. Venceremos! Martin 'Che' On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Dave Berry wrote: > > The state doesn't kill people. People kill people. > > Dave. > -- > Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, > Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. > Tel: +44 131 668 1564 > From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 27 09:45:06 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:45:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: CLONE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, dench wrote: > Do I detect an oversimplification here? You are quite right - people do > the killing, but is it on their own initiative? Was the First World War, > for instance, the result of mass psychosis? Yes! Brought about by the pollution of the minds of Europe by teh evil spread from a jade mirror brought from Mexico, taken from the jungle by crime, by a mysterious sea-captain in thrall to forces beyond sight! We understand! We understand! Jazza (With one bound our thread was back on-topic - apologies for irreverancy) _____________________________________________________________________________ Jon Jarrett Pembroke College Cambridge "If he really thinks we're the (01223 327450) devil, Then let's send them to jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk Hell!" (B.O.C., `Divine Wind') ======================================================================== From ABrevard at SHL.COM Thu Feb 27 09:44:07 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:44:07 -0600 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes Message-ID: A some blurbs found in the Koch release of CN. BTW the cd is handsomely painted and the packaging very nice. Glad I waited for this one. "The fortunes of Blue Oyster Cult should not be measured by Club Ninja, yet for many of the faithful hordes who haunt the internet with their nightly debates over Bolle's Tapelist or where the hidden symbol of Kronos appears on each and every BOC album cover, Club Ninja remains an astonishing work. Perhaps its because for every Oystergrl and Oysterboy who wonder whatever happened to Eric Bloom's "natty black silk Japanese pyjamas from the Cult Classic tour", there are still others who discover the reverbrations of BOC and Imaginos in the work of Umberto Eco or the hidden mystery of Ezekiel's Wheel." "Club Ninja has lost none of its edge in the decade since its release -- and to those legions of BOC loyalist whose attempts at finding the long deleted Columbia CD are rewarded with this re-issue, we can only applaud your preserverence. These are the same Blue Oyster Cult fans who have supported the band's gigs over the past ten years, and succeded in turning on a new generation of true believers. These are the fans who keep AOL's Music Message Center bulletin board crammed with questions (and answers!) to tease the id in all of us: Whats your favorite BOC album cover? Why? When did you first see or hear them? Whats your best volume on witchcraft and the occult? Whats the story behind Ezekiel's Wheel? Clearly, BOC still rules --with a mighty hand and an outstrecthed arm!" The author is Arthur Levy, November 1996 The insert also lists the boc fanclub on aol and Miles KB web site. Would have been nice to include the FAQ. lil ab Five in the Player BOC - Club Ninja Steve Morse Band - Coast to Coast Steve Morse Band - Stressfest Saigon Kick - Devil in the Details Frank Marino - From the Hip From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 27 09:34:42 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:34:42 GMT Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:43:22 UT Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > Just being cheeky for a moment - doesn't the urge to play "god" games, in > which you are the central planner of an entire society, hold some > contradictions with being a libertarian? :)) You're the first person to ask me that, but in fact I had anticipated this. In Civilization I played a scenario I called "Libertarianism". You had to win despite two handicaps: 1) You must always set the tax level to zero. 2) You must never attack another civilisation. It was still possible to win. By setting tax to zero, you could up the science rate and have a good chance of having better technology than opponents. For money you could build city improvements (like universities say) and then sell them. There was also retaliation if someone attacked you since you usually get some money when you take their cities and you can also sell the improvements in those afterwards. Such a scenario would be harder in Civ II because the initial forms of government (Despotism and Monarchy) don't allow a tax rate of zero - you;d have to alter the technology tree to allow Republic and Democracy immediately to do that. There's also the problem that with the improved diplomacy, an enemy would be able to sue for peace soon after attacking you so that you couldn't raise much money by retaliation - though I guess you could demand fair compensation through tribute. > Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com FoFP From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Feb 27 09:55:36 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:55:36 -0500 Subject: Civ I vs. Civ II In-Reply-To: <9702271103.aa25568@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Feb 27, 97 11:03:04 am Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > Civilization II by Sid Meier has been voted numero uno strategy game at > least once. It was based on a board game but is like a very very > advanced version of the old "Populus" computer game. [ most of decsription deleted ] > To call this game "addictive" doesn't do it justice. You will miss > meals. You will miss sleep. You will say "I'll just finish off the > French on this island and then I'll go to bed". Could someone fill me in on what are the actual differences between Civ II and Civ I? Mike's description sounded to me exactly like the classic game. The classic game that ate me, mind and soul, for about 6 months - before I finally emerged, blinking uncertainly like an unfrozen caveman, into the modern world again. Fortunately, I kicked the habit, and "classic" Civ finally lost it's unholy grip on me. So, what's different about Civ II? Steve waiting for Warlords III and Diablo II and Fighter Duel II and WAY the hell off topic, again... From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Feb 27 05:19:30 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:19:30 -0000 Subject: OFF: Amber Revisited Message-ID: > Just being cheeky for a moment - doesn't the urge to play "god" games, in > which you are the central planner of an entire society, hold some > contradictions with being a libertarian? :)) > > Even benevolent dictatorship is still dictatorship... > > - Andy this might be true when the game designers put out CIV III, and it incorporates laws to be placed on the civs. you could have hangings and such for bizaare sex-acts on sunday, life imprisonment for consuming whatever substance the player is currently turned off about and all. and you have to come up with the perfect dope for the masses. make them think they are happy, while keeping them sure that they are helpless to change anything except thru proper channels which only APPEAR to lead somewhere. rj From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Thu Feb 27 10:22:54 1997 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:22:54 GMT Subject: OFF: CLONE Message-ID: Martin wrote: > Do I detect an oversimplification here? You are quite right - people do > the killing, but is it on their own initiative? Was the First World War, > for instance, the result of mass psychosis. On the scale that was being > discussed, it is politicians, and therefore the state, that does the > killing and whose hands drip with the blood of the innocent. Killing is always done by individuals not by states. The state is simply an abstraction, a way of sharing collective responsibilities. Look at any genocide and you will see that whilst some form of authority initiates the killing it is continued and magnified by individuals. In both Rwanda and former Yugoslavia tribal killings require no state intervention. IMO the greatest threat that we face to our way of life in the UK is the increasing refusal of individuals to take responsibility for anything. Give our forefathers their due, they were honourable enough to stand up and take the blame occasionally. Chris From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Feb 27 05:24:17 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:24:17 -0000 Subject: Civ I vs. Civ II Message-ID: ---------- > From: Stephen Swann > Could someone fill me in on what are the actual differences between > Civ II and Civ I? Mike's description sounded to me exactly like the > classic game. The classic game that ate me, mind and soul, for about > 6 months - before I finally emerged, blinking uncertainly like an > unfrozen caveman, into the modern world again. > > Fortunately, I kicked the habit, and "classic" Civ finally lost > it's unholy grip on me. So, what's different about Civ II? > > Steve sounds to me like you might not REALLY want to know? rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Feb 27 05:36:59 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:36:59 -0000 Subject: OFF: CLONE Message-ID: ask any nation that has been on the recieving end of an invasion or whatever, and they will say it was the USA or russia or whichever STATE, that was killing their peoples.no one will say that it was john smith and kerry brown who was doing it. sure its people doing the killing. but its because of threat of imprisonment by the state, or the brain washing that is done in school, ala history class. even tribal leadership fits into the id of "state". if the grand poohbah of buttcrack says lets all go kill the other tribe,its the state speaking. the people follow only because they feel removed from each other, most of them probably dont want to do it. but no one wants to be the first to find out whats in store if they refuse. very few wars have been fought over anything other than furthering the state's ends, be it financial or whatever. yeah, people are beasts,sometimes, and are subject to bloodlust. but someone is always calling the shots,and that person or group of persons can elect to stay home if they wish, while the soldiers dont often have that luxury.... rjj > Martin wrote: > > > Do I detect an oversimplification here? You are quite right - people do > > the killing, but is it on their own initiative? Was the First World War, > > for instance, the result of mass psychosis. On the scale that was being > > discussed, it is politicians, and therefore the state, that does the > > killing and whose hands drip with the blood of the innocent. > > Killing is always done by individuals not by states. The state is > simply an abstraction, a way of sharing collective responsibilities. > Look at any genocide and you will see that whilst some form of > authority initiates the killing it is continued and magnified by > individuals. In both Rwanda and former Yugoslavia tribal killings > require no state intervention. > > IMO the greatest threat that we face to our way of life in the UK > is the increasing refusal of individuals to take responsibility for > anything. Give our forefathers their due, they were honourable > enough to stand up and take the blame occasionally. > > > Chris From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Feb 27 11:04:27 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:04:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Civ I happiness In-Reply-To: <199702271521.KAA16318@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, RJ wrote: > this might be true when the game designers put out CIV III, and it > incorporates laws to be placed on > the civs. you could have hangings and such for bizaare sex-acts on sunday, > life imprisonment for > consuming whatever substance the player is currently turned off about and > all. > and you have to come up with the perfect dope for the masses. make them > think they are happy, > while keeping them sure that they are helpless to change anything except > thru proper channels which > only APPEAR to lead somewhere. rj Actually, the thing that always irked me a little in Civ I was the way in which happiness seemed closely tied to religion. Perhaps I am misunderstanding or misremembering, but it seems largely that the primary way to reduce the number of unhappy campers in a city (aside from the effects of military units) is through temples, cathedrals, and Elvis (which is a religion in itself:). (Okay, there's the coliseum, but sport seems to be another religion---in the USA at least.;) As an experiment, I often tried to delay "inventing" religion as long as possible in the scenarios I played, but, alas, there is no way to reach the lofty intellectual heights of "Future Tech. X" without accepting "Bob" into our lives. Or kill me. Is Civ II any different? From what I've heard here, it seems that you could cut Religion out of the technology tree altogether. Is that true? Cheers, Paul. obGig: Metallica, Roanoke Civic Center Coliseum, 26/2/97 e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 27 10:49:29 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:49:29 GMT Subject: OFF: Civ I vs. Civ II In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:55:36 -0500 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > Could someone fill me in on what are the actual differences between > Civ II and Civ I? Mike's description sounded to me exactly like the > classic game. The classic game that ate me, mind and soul, for about > 6 months - before I finally emerged, blinking uncertainly like an > unfrozen caveman, into the modern world again. > > Fortunately, I kicked the habit, and "classic" Civ finally lost > it's unholy grip on me. So, what's different about Civ II? I could try: Diplomacy This has been changed to allow five levels of contact: Alliance: where you might be called upon to help an ally and where civs can move within each others zones of control Peace Treaty: Where you are bound to remove units from each other's zones of control and they can be expelled, or the treaty break down, if you don't Neutral: default for no contact and can continue if no agreements made. Ceasefire: During a war you can agree to this. Again units must be withdrawn from zones of control. These last around 16 turns. War: business as usual. Anyone can send heralds at any time for renegotiation if they have an embassy. A new form of Diplomat called a spy is available at a certain tech level. These can do fancier things including planting nuclear devices. However, except for the new Fundamentalist government, every civ will declare war if you do this. Betraying treaties is now noted by all Civs and counts against you in future negotiations. War New units have been introduced. There are two stealth aircraft and other units available for modern sea and air warfare, including cruise missiles. The new paratrooper unit can land and move from withing 10 squares of it's target, starting at a city, carrier, or the new airbase equivalent of a fortress. Combat also includes firepower and hitpoints so that units may be damaged and requre rest rather than just emerge as victors. It also makes it unlikely that musketeers will get a lucky destruction of a destroyer rather than merely damage it. Due to this there are now airbases and port facilities which can R&R air and sea units back to strength. Barracks provide this service for land units. There have been slight alterations to terrain and the view of the game has been altered to isometric. Some Wonders have changed in their powers and 7 new Wonders have been added. Some minor changes to City Improvements have been made and some new ones added. Cheats A lot of the Cheats for Civ 1 have been covered. Altering production between the 3 types: Wonder/Unit/Improvement now has a 50% penalty. Cities cannot be built next to one another, stopping the building of long "canals" or the "City everything" strategy. New improvements allow more populous cities. The need to railroad everything has disappeared with the Railroad function being split between Railroads, the Superhighways improvement, and the Supermarket improvement. The Senate has more power to interfere with decisions (Doves always interfere in Democracy and 50% of the time in Republic). The Goto function has been much improved. There is also an updated Settler, the Engineer, available at higher tech, this works twice as fast, can work in teams of up to 3, and can also "Transform" terrain given enough time, so you can eventually turn glacier to plains or level mountains. The Freight unit is an advanced version of the Caravan. The technology tree is bigger, though there is a helper function built in to give advice. Cities can be put on auto development (military, civilian, or both) and there's a lot more control over killing specific messages such as "We Love The King" or "Cities in Disorder" which need suppressing during periods of Revolution or boosted growth. And of course the sounds and graphics on the CD are much improved. Basically it's Civ with a lot of the flaws corrected, the cheats stopped, and the spectra of improvments, units, wonders and technology fleshed out more fully. The improved diplomacy does add a significant new dimension to the game. The changes in the various powers of government mean that it's no longer a race to republic and democracy. Communism, Monarchy, and even the new Fundamentalist (science research halved) now have enough use to warrant switching to them at times. The big new thing is the Scenario editing capabilities. Instead of hoping for a neat random game which proves worth saving as a playable scenario (though that's still an option and is improved by a Cheat menu (usage marked on your score) which allows alteration of maps, units, and pretty much anything else) you can build your own from scratch. This allows: 1) Creation of any map including placement of cities, units, wonders, and improvements. 2) Specification of level of barbarian activity, distribution of goody huts and goody terrain. 3) A few user configurable units and alteration of specs of existing units. 4) Complete configurability of the Tech tree and dependencies for units and improvements. 5) An "events" macro which allows events to occur at intervals, at random or on the defeat of a unit or city by specific or any civilization. Events can be changes in dimplomatic status between civs, the appearance of "new" units at specified squares, or the order of units within an area to Goto somewhere. Combined with the gif editors available on the Web, there'd be no problem building a magical Tech tree, renaming city improvements to things like "Weyr" and introducing units like "Dragons" with specified destructive powers. Basically Civ II is to Civ I as Warrior is to Yuri Gagarin. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 27 10:56:11 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:56:11 GMT Subject: OFF: CLONE In-Reply-To: Chris Bates's message of Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:22:54 GMT Message-ID: Chris Bates writes: > Martin wrote: > > > Do I detect an oversimplification here? You are quite right - people do > > the killing, but is it on their own initiative? Was the First World War, > > for instance, the result of mass psychosis. On the scale that was being > > discussed, it is politicians, and therefore the state, that does the > > killing and whose hands drip with the blood of the innocent. > > Killing is always done by individuals not by states. The state is > simply an abstraction, a way of sharing collective responsibilities. That's true where the State is voluntary and you can say "I'm contracting out of this war". That's kinda unusual though. > Look at any genocide and you will see that whilst some form of > authority initiates the killing it is continued and magnified by > individuals. In both Rwanda and former Yugoslavia tribal killings > require no state intervention. Sometimes this is true. The Tasmanians were completely wiped out (Genocide with a capital G) simply by the state offering a bounty on scalps. Individuals clearly volunteered. However, in Stalin's Russia, if you didn't "volunteer" to do as you were told, you were off to the gulag with the other non-volunteers. To pretend that the state is some kind of voluntary fiction involving mutual cooperation is facetious in the extreme. The test of this is a simple "If I say "No!" and refuse to pay taxes towards this, do they accept this?" If the answer is "yes" then it's as you say. If there's somewhere like that, please let me know. > IMO the greatest threat that we face to our way of life in the UK > is the increasing refusal of individuals to take responsibility for > anything. Give our forefathers their due, they were honourable > enough to stand up and take the blame occasionally. Amen to that. > Chris FoFP From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Feb 27 11:09:12 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:09:12 UT Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes Message-ID: >yet for many of the faithful hordes who haunt the internet [...] Club Ninja remains an >astonishing work. "Astonishing" is a much nicer word than "crap", isn't it? :)) Although of course I like quite a lot of it - but how come no-one ever mentions "Shadow Warrior", which is by far the best thing on it? Followed by "When the War Comes", and "Spy in the House of Night", IMHO of course... - Andy ObCD: Laura Pausini - _Laura Pausini_ Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From c9400300 at BOHM.ANU.EDU.AU Thu Feb 27 11:27:48 1997 From: c9400300 at BOHM.ANU.EDU.AU (Brad Crawford) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 03:27:48 +1100 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes Message-ID: At 04:09 PM 2/27/97 UT, you wrote: >>yet for many of the faithful hordes who haunt the internet [...] Club Ninja >remains an >>astonishing work. > >"Astonishing" is a much nicer word than "crap", isn't it? :)) > >Although of course I like quite a lot of it - but how come no-one ever >mentions "Shadow Warrior", which is by far the best thing on it? Followed by >"When the War Comes", and "Spy in the House of Night", IMHO of course... > >- Andy > >ObCD: Laura Pausini - _Laura Pausini_ > >Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham > > I'm sorry but I must disagree, 'Club Ninja' is the second best BOC album, behind 'Imaginos' IMHO...Look at the lyrics of 'White Flags', 'Beat-em-Up' amongst others..This was actually the first BOC album I heard so I may have a soft spot for it but it's still in my top 10 alltime albums for over 10 years. The song writing is some of the best since 'Last Days Of May' and 'Before The Kiss'..Now while there have been better songs than are on 'Club Ninja' I must say that taken on the whole as an album, it was only bettered by 'Imaginos'. L8r everyone, Brad 'Godzilla' Crawford c9400300 at student.anu.edu.au darkevada at geocities.com From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 27 11:33:58 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:33:58 GMT Subject: OFF: Civ I happiness In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:04:27 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > Actually, the thing that always irked me a little in Civ I was the way in > which happiness seemed closely tied to religion. Perhaps I am > misunderstanding or misremembering, but it seems largely that the primary > way to reduce the number of unhappy campers in a city (aside from the > effects of military units) is through temples, cathedrals, and Elvis > (which is a religion in itself:). (Okay, there's the coliseum, but sport > seems to be another religion---in the USA at least.;) As an experiment, I > often tried to delay "inventing" religion as long as possible in the > scenarios I played, but, alas, there is no way to reach the lofty > intellectual heights of "Future Tech. X" without accepting "Bob" into our > lives. > > Is Civ II any different? I think Cathedrals are now worth less than two Elvises but J.S.Bach's Cathedral is worth more, or vice versa, I forget. > From what I've heard here, it seems that you > could cut Religion out of the technology tree altogether. Is that true? You could, or you could replace it with "Tournaments", "Television", "Football" and (obTopic) "Hawkwind". The tech tree alteration is pretty powerful. I read a description of someone's "Life Civilization" scenario where the tech is various evolutionary stuff and the improvements are various organs in the body. I guess it'd look like a cross between Civ and SimEarth. Maybe I'll have one called "Sonic Attack" that takes down City Walls ;-) > Paul. FoFP From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Thu Feb 27 11:53:41 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:53:41 +0000 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970228032747.0069a038@student.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Keep taking the pills!!!! > > I'm sorry but I must disagree, 'Club Ninja' is the second best BOC album, > behind 'Imaginos' IMHO...Look at the lyrics of 'White Flags', 'Beat-em-Up' > amongst others..This was actually the first BOC album I heard so I may have > a soft spot for it but it's still in my top 10 alltime albums for over 10 > years. > The song writing is some of the best since 'Last Days Of May' and 'Before > The Kiss'..Now while there have been better songs than are on 'Club Ninja' > I must say that taken on the whole as an album, it was only bettered by > 'Imaginos'. > L8r everyone, > Brad 'Godzilla' Crawford > c9400300 at student.anu.edu.au > darkevada at geocities.com > From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu Feb 27 11:16:58 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:16:58 -0700 Subject: HW San Francisco Hawkfans U Message-ID: Are their any out there? If you ever want to see HW live we are going to have to do it ourselves. I would like to see how many subscribe to this list. Dane From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Feb 27 12:13:32 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:13:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Civ I vs. Civ II Message-ID: Gee, I'm still playing Civ I. What are these cheats people are talking about? The only cheat I'm using is the time machine (saving before every military action or hut and reloading until I get the desired result). I'm a little disappointed to hear that Civ II has nothing to represent environmental concerns. One thing that bugs me about Civ I is that you're rewarded for turning all natural areas into railroad-covered megaplexes. I'd like to see something that rewards you for maintaining national parks and the like... SET From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Feb 27 12:35:19 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:35:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: CLONE Message-ID: >On 27 Feb 12:06, Troy Harris wrote: >> > a blind unconcern with the one thing which has killed >> > most people this century: the state. The State may have an occasionally funny bit ("muppet hunting") but they generally aren't funny enough to kill people. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Feb 27 12:35:22 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:35:22 -0500 Subject: Civ I vs. Civ II Message-ID: >Steve >waiting for Warlords III Warlords... now there was another wonderful game which never got the attention it deserved (especially II). Right now most of my friend's idea of strategy is Heroes of Might & Magic (& II), which is like Strategy Lite. Ech. Amusing enough, it doesn't take any real skill. Ob: Book: BOC-L computer game review journal =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Feb 27 12:35:25 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:35:25 -0500 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes Message-ID: > I'm sorry but I must disagree, 'Club Ninja' is the second best BOC album, >behind 'Imaginos' IMHO...Look at the lyrics of 'White Flags', 'Beat-em-Up' Now look what you've done! I've got mountain dew all over my monitor. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Feb 27 12:40:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:40:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Civ I vs. Civ II In-Reply-To: Steven Tice's mail of Thu, 27 Feb 97 12:13 -0500 Message-ID: On 27 Feb 17:13, Steven Tice wrote: > I'm a little disappointed to hear that Civ II has nothing to represent > environmental concerns. I was disappointed that the computer game dropped the emphasis on trading found in the board game, and replaced it with the usual carnage and war. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Feb 27 12:46:10 1997 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:46:10 -0500 Subject: ADMIN: Computer Gaming Thread... Message-ID: Folks, We've gotten a little carried away with the computer gaming thread (Civ I, Civ II, etc.), and I'm going to ask that we call a halt to it and move back to the usual BOC-L bickering... :-) Thanks, YnSSHM, Ben From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 27 12:48:09 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:48:09 GMT Subject: OFF: Civ I vs. Civ II In-Reply-To: Steven Tice's message of Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:13:32 -0500 Message-ID: Steven Tice writes: > Gee, I'm still playing Civ I. What are these cheats people are talking > about? The only cheat I'm using is the time machine (saving before every > military action or hut and reloading until I get the desired result). > > I'm a little disappointed to hear that Civ II has nothing to represent > environmental concerns. Not strictly true. You have the global warming problem from pollution, nukewars and nuclear power (except fusion). You also have the hydro power, mass transit, sewers and solar power advances as well as Environmentalism, Recycling and other related stuff. > One thing that bugs me about Civ I is that you're > rewarded for turning all natural areas into railroad-covered megaplexes. That's changed too. It's only worth Railroading some terrain, not all of it. > I'd > like to see something that rewards you for maintaining national parks and the > like... Well forest can be pretty good for defence... > SET FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 27 13:46:48 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 18:46:48 +0000 Subject: OFF: CLONE In-Reply-To: from "Jon Jarrett" at Feb 27, 97 02:45:06 pm Message-ID: > > Do I detect an oversimplification here? You are quite right - people do > > the killing, but is it on their own initiative? Was the First World War, > > for instance, the result of mass psychosis? > > Yes! Brought about by the pollution of the minds of Europe by teh > evil spread from a jade mirror brought from Mexico, taken from the jungle > by crime, by a mysterious sea-captain in thrall to forces beyond sight! > We understand! We understand! Oh, well done, Jazza! Very cunning :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Thu Feb 27 14:13:12 1997 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:13:12 -0800 Subject: give Art Bell Message-ID: I e-mailed Art and asked him where I could send him a tape (alien 4), I wonder if he will reply? I wonder if he would like it? ,BB spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Feb 27 13:16:34 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:16:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: Civ I vs. Civ II In-Reply-To: <9702271549.aa18205@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Feb 27, 97 03:49:29 pm Message-ID: Mike says-- > Combined with the gif editors available on the Web, there'd be no > problem building a magical Tech tree, renaming city improvements to > things like "Weyr" and introducing units like "Dragons" with specified > destructive powers. There's a cool scenario based on the Silmarillion, which has dragons (and balrogs and eagles!). > Basically Civ II is to Civ I as Warrior is to Yuri Gagarin. Agreed. Guido obCDplayer--What Means Solid Traveller? by David Torn -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Feb 27 13:26:22 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:26:22 -0500 Subject: ADMIN: Computer Gaming Thread... In-Reply-To: <199702271746.MAA28748@st-canard.spc.edu> from "Ben Cohen" at Feb 27, 97 12:46:10 pm Message-ID: Ben says-- > Folks, > We've gotten a little carried away with the computer gaming thread (Civ > I, Civ II, etc.), and I'm going to ask that we call a halt to it and move > back to the usual BOC-L bickering... :-) Agreed. irock? :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 27 14:55:18 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:55:18 -0500 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes Message-ID: >hidden mystery of Ezekiel's Wheel. and >Whats the story behind Ezekiel's Wheel? AAARRRRRRGGGHHH!!!! The kiss of death!!! Now it will NEVER be released! >The insert also lists the boc fanclub on aol and Miles KB web site. Would have been nice to include the FAQ. I find it amazing that Levy would mention Bolle - he said some pretty nasty things about Levy after Workshop of the Telescopes came out... Besides, nothing could top seeing a mention of me and the FAQ in last years GOLDMINE article... :-) :-) :-) John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 27 09:46:52 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:46:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Motorhead - On Parole remastered +NIK question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >In message <3.0.32.19970226124933.009b8190 at ses.com>, Michel Ellis > writes >>A couple of Stateside questions - >> >>What label has the remastered disk been released on ? UK-only ? > Got the new Goldmine this morning. (Don't it make you want to weep? I need 10,000's of CD's!!) Midnight Records NY stock it at $16.99 they're at midnight at cerfnet.com Same ad lists a CD release of ICU's New Anatomy, anyone seen this? Plus threatens imminent release of NIK Sonic Attack 2001 *but* as a UK Import. Huh? Anyone have any info? -- Jon Browne From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Feb 27 17:11:16 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:11:16 -0500 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > Same ad lists a CD release of ICU's New Anatomy, anyone seen this? This is the album with the Sinclair Spectrum program on it, isn't it? If so, I have a CD copy. It's been out for years in the UK (on that Dave Anderson label). Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Feb 27 17:26:28 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:26:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs---last word (status report:) Message-ID: I'd like to thank everyone for all the earplugs advice and info. I field tested the Sonic IIs at the Metallica gig last night, and was rather amazed that I had no ringing in the ears whatsoever afterwards. That was despite the fact that the concert still sounded bloody loud at the time. Mind you, unlike other concerts I've been to that were loud, this one was not *painfully* loud whilst listening; a big difference, qualitatively. The only downside was that the Sonic IIs were less comfortable than the foam earplugs I'd tried. (Acoustically, the Sonic IIs are better, though.) They work by passing the sound through a filter in the earplug, and so you have to make sure you have a nice seal for it to work at its best. Maybe I had mine jammed in too tight, I don't know. All I know is that they sounded great, and left me with no ringing in the ears afterwards (which is still hard to believe, given all the explosions that went on!) Btw, the gig was great! I'd advise anyone to go and see them. They put on a hell of a show. And you can't really say you've heard "Sad But True" until you've heard Metallica play it live through a humongous P.A. (can we say "trouser-flapping bass??" [literally!])... :-) Cheers, Paul. obCrushingHeaviness: Metallica, "Sad But True" e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Feb 27 18:07:32 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 18:07:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs---last word (status report:) Message-ID: Hi Paul, what was the venue where Metallica played? Are they coming to North Carolina? Martyn From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 27 09:49:18 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:49:18 +0000 Subject: OFF: CLONE In-Reply-To: <9702271027.aa09851@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9702271027.aa09851 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >I think that our politicians, like politicians elsewhere, have never >seen anything they didn't want to regulate. > > >FoFP This is the crux of the issue. It's what Stonehenge was about. They have to be in control of everything all the time, whether control is needed or not. Furthermore, they have to be seen to be in control, this being the most important aspect *of* control. But they're not. -- Jon Browne From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Thu Feb 27 18:48:05 1997 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:48:05 -0900 Subject: OFF: CLONE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > This is the crux of the issue. It's what Stonehenge was about. They have > to be in control of everything all the time, whether control is needed > or not. Furthermore, they have to be seen to be in control, this being > the most important aspect *of* control. But they're not. Yes, it is the same exact reason it is illegal to put chemicals into your brain. -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Feb 27 19:20:32 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:20:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs---last word (status report:) In-Reply-To: <9702272307.AA09629@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Martyn White wrote: > what was the venue where Metallica played? Are they coming > to North Carolina? They played the Roanoke Civic Center Coliseum (SW Virginia). Yes, I kid you not. (I was expecting them to tear off masks to reveal Garth Brooks, lReba McIntyre, Clint Black et al, and reveal it all to be a cruel hoax, but no.;) You can find out their upcoming tour stops by browsing the TicketMaster WWW site (http://www.ticketmaster.com/); look off the "Box Office" link. I note from the listing from there that they are due to play two dates in NC: METALLICA 11-APR-97 CHARLOTTE COLISEUM CHARLOTTE NC 12-APR-97 GREENSBORO COLISEUM COMPLEX GREENSBORO NC (Btw, looking at the tour dates listed, it seems that, unlike Hawkwind, Metallica are not averse to playing in the South.) Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Superseeder_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Feb 27 21:19:13 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:19:13 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: more tBS dates Message-ID: The Brain Surgeons have a couple more confirmed live shows. Sunday, April 6, we're playing at Styleens in Syracuse, NY with Helen Wheels and Static Cling. Saturday, April 26, we're playing Brownie's in NY with the Upper Crust from Boston. More gigs to follow. Al From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Thu Feb 27 21:25:40 1997 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:25:40 -0900 Subject: OFF: Art Bell talk show (long) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Baron Bloom wrote: > I e-mailed Art and asked him where I could send him a tape (alien 4), I > wonder if he will reply? I wonder if he would like it? Unknown Captain. Oops, I mean Baron. Art gets mass amounts of e- and snail-mail every day. I doubt he has time to reply to much of it. As for if he would like HW, that's another unknown. But I can say for sure that he uses Don't Fear the Reaper as bumper music on his show regularly. 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Emirates 800-121 U.K. 0800-89-0011 Uruguay 00-0410 Venezuela 80-011-120 Zambia 00-899 Zimbabwe 110-899 From AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU Thu Feb 27 22:06:19 1997 From: AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU (AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:06:19 -0600 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes Message-ID: John wrote: >Bolle - he said some pretty nasty things about Levy after Workshop of >the Telescopes came out... Besides members of BOC and 3OC, who doesn't Bolle have nasty things to say about? Alton Broussard From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Feb 27 22:32:01 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 22:32:01 -0500 Subject: ADMIN: Computer Gaming Thread... In-Reply-To: <9702271826.AA18158@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> from "Guido Vacano" at Feb 27, 97 01:26:22 pm Message-ID: Guido Vacano writes: > > Ben says-- > > > Folks, > > We've gotten a little carried away with the computer gaming thread (Civ > > I, Civ II, etc.), and I'm going to ask that we call a halt to it and move > > back to the usual BOC-L bickering... :-) > > Agreed. irock? :-) No! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, well, ok. Steve swann at panix.com From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Feb 27 23:18:13 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:18:13 -0500 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes Message-ID: >John wrote: > >>Bolle - he said some pretty nasty things about Levy after Workshop of >>the Telescopes came out... > >Besides members of BOC and 3OC, who doesn't Bolle have nasty things to >say about? Well, Bolle recently mentioned he was listening to Club Ninja more than any other CD in recent months, maybe there's a connection... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 28 07:31:12 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:31:12 +0000 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes In-Reply-To: <199702280418.XAA20477@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Feb 27, 97 11:18:13 pm Message-ID: > Well, Bolle recently mentioned he was listening to Club Ninja more than any > other > CD in recent months, maybe there's a connection... This method almost guarentees the new album (should we ever get it) will sound great in comparison ... :) Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 28 08:31:11 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:31:11 -0500 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes Message-ID: >Besides members of BOC and 3OC, who doesn't Bolle have nasty things to say about? Well, he's never said anything bad about me...as far as I know. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 28 08:36:10 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:36:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs---last word (status report:) Message-ID: >The only downside was that the Sonic IIs were less comfortable than the foam earplugs I'd tried. (Acoustically, the Sonic IIs are better, though.) They work by passing the sound through a filter in the earplug, and so you have to make sure you have a nice seal for it to work at its best. Maybe I had mine jammed in too tight, I don't know. I think I mentioned this in one of my earlier posts (like, a week or 2 ago), but forgot to reiterate again in my more recent post. The plugs are a bit large, and can be a bit uncomfortable. I haven't found them unbearable by any stretch, although I don't like keeping them in for more than an hour or two (which, of course, is usually long enough). But, it's a minor annoyance, and one that I can live with so that I can enjoy the sound at the gig better, and not having ringing after (if my ears are ringing after a show, I have a very difficult time sleeping that night). John From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Feb 28 08:45:56 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 00:45:56 +1100 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OKay, here we go again, so here I go again: CLUB NINJA ROCKS!!!!! Troy From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Fri Feb 28 09:48:32 1997 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 06:48:32 -0800 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > > >Besides members of BOC and 3OC, who doesn't Bolle have nasty things to > say about? > > Well, he's never said anything bad about me...as far as I know. > > John He's never said anything bad about me neither, just invited me to his home aka the museum. Jack http://www.j-and-a.com/boc.html From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Feb 28 09:09:03 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 01:09:03 +1100 Subject: HW: Solo stuff, and all that.... Message-ID: Good day to all, (or night, as the case may be...) I was sitting, listening to some old compliation Hawk stuff, a little while ago, and I came to directing my eyes to my large printed list of all the Hawk material that I have/don't have. I was looking specificaly at all of the solo stuff many of the members have done over the years, and I realised that I truely want some of these items (well, I'd like to know about them at least). So, I have a series of questions about various solo outings, and a couple of other things, too, a list that is a little large, but here goes, anyway... (i) Does anyone know if you can order directly from Flicknife, or iff anywhere in particular could mail order their catalog? The specific reason I ask, is an interest in Dave Brock's "Agent's of Chaos" CD, and the like, which I believe were available on Flicknife... (ii) Where could I get a hold of Huw Lloyd-Langton's solo stuff, such as "River Run", and his other stuff? (iii) I'm looking for any information about the possibility of ataining Del Dettmar's solo albums, like "Migration of the Snails". (iv) How about Nik Turner's Sphynx cassette release of "Unreleased Studio Material", with songs such as Sonic Savages, etc. (v) One of the last I am lookign for, is Simon House's album, "Gulp". I've never even heard of this, and as I'm considering doing a Spiral Realms homepage, I think I would be rather usefull... Comming close to the end now... A last question is about the whereabouts of any Hawk videos. One that particularly looks very nice to me is the "HW Promos Video). If aanyone has this, is this actually film clips. I like the live material that I've got, but I was wondering if they had any actual film clips. "Love in Space", the video had some stuff that was close to film clip quality, but, I'M LOOKING FOR MORE, GODDAMN-IT!!!! (er, sorry about that...). A last thing. What do people think of Helios Creed? I'm listening to the Cleo "X-Rated Tales/Catholic Finger" album, and, even after having it for the last few months, am unsure what to make of him. I've heard his guitar on various other things, but don't know whether I should go out and get some Chrome recordings... Anyway, It's been a far too long note, so I shall shut myself up, and sit down for a bit, I think, once the men in the white coats give me my medecine... - Max "too much gin" Wilcox From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Fri Feb 28 12:13:27 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:13:27 -0700 Subject: OFF Omnia Opera Message-ID: Looking for this CD if anyone has one to sell. DAne From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri Feb 28 13:35:35 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:35:35 CST Subject: OFF Omnia Opera Message-ID: Dane, I could part with mine. Feel free to email me at: agrohe at igate.sprint.com Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Friday, February 28, 1997 12:31 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: OFF Omnia Opera Looking for this CD if anyone has one to sell. DAne From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Fri Feb 28 13:44:22 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:44:22 -0800 Subject: Solo stuff, and all that.... Message-ID: ---------- > From: Max I had some stuff that was close to film clip quality, > but, I'M LOOKING FOR MORE, GODDAMN-IT!!!! (er, sorry about that...). > A last thing. What do people think of Helios Creed? I'm listening to > the Cleo "X-Rated Tales/Catholic Finger" album, and, even after having > it for the last few months, am unsure what to make of him. I've heard > his guitar on various other things, but don't know whether I should go > out and get some Chrome recordings... > Every time I listen to HC (which isn't too often) I feel like it's almost very good, it's close to being good, but something's just missing...or I'm just missing something. It certainly does tend to have a chaotic feel to it, and is definitely unique. Am also interested to hear Chrome some day... Chuck From ABrevard at SHL.COM Fri Feb 28 14:04:14 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:04:14 -0600 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 27 Feb 1997 - Special issue Message-ID: >Subject: Re: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes > >>yet for many of the faithful hordes who haunt the internet [...] Club Ninja >remains an astonishing work. > >>Andy>"Astonishing" is a much nicer word than "crap", isn't it? :))" HOWLS! >Andy>"Although of course I like quite a lot of it - but how come no-one ever >mentions "Shadow Warrior", which is by far the best thing on it? Followed by"When the War Comes", and "Spy in the House of Night", IMHO of course..." Maybe history will be kinder to Club Ninja than us fans. Perfect Water >is what I look for. Its so, so Buck. > >Brad>" I'm sorry but I must disagree, 'Club Ninja' is the second best >BOC album, behind 'Imaginos' IMHO...Look at the lyrics of 'White Flags', >'Beat-em-Up' amongst others..This was actually the first BOC album I heard so >I may have a soft spot for it but it's still in my top 10 alltime albums for >over 10 years. > The song writing is some of the best since 'Last Days Of May' and >'Before The Kiss'..Now while there have been better songs than are on 'Club >Ninja' I must say that taken on the whole as an album, it was only bettered >by 'Imaginos'. > L8r everyone, Brad 'Godzilla' Crawford" Some bold sentiments there Brad. I won't knock it though I do disagree with your statement, but I disagree for almost the same reason. Feet Knees was the first album I bought and only after seeing that tour. My first impression of BOC remains amongst my strongest. Feet/Knees and ST, the second album bought. The rest of the catalog will always pale to these two and I accept no arguments. I wonder how many other fans >feel their first BOC album represents the best? > >>Whats the story >behind Ezekiel's Wheel? > >John S.>"AAARRRRRRGGGHHH!!!! The kiss of death!!! Now it will NEVER be >released!" > >lil ab>The insert also lists the boc fanclub on aol and Miles KB web site. >Would have been nice to include the FAQ. > >JS>"I find it amazing that Levy would mention Bolle - he said some pretty >nasty things about Levy after Workshop of the Telescopes came out... >Besides, nothing could top seeing a mention of me and the FAQ in last years GOLDMINE article... :-) :-) :-)" John you are way too nice my friend. How many hours, how many phone calls, books read, websites searched have you put into the FAQ? Hey your a selfless guy and I can appreciate that but I wish someone out there in La La land would acknowledge your contibutions occassionally. Its as relevant as Morning Final, or AOL, BOC-L or Miles' website. The FAQ is for everyone and everyone should know about it. OK sorry I just had to vent a bit. Heck I appreciate what you do as do many other I'm sure. Gotta go get that root canal now. L8er >lil ab > >ob cd - Black Sabbath - Sabotage > From RBrent1044 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 28 14:18:46 1997 From: RBrent1044 at AOL.COM (Robert W. Prince) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:18:46 -0500 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes Message-ID: This is my first post, and in my opinion Club Ninja is the worst BOC album (by far). The absence of Allen Lanier as a keyboard player, let alone songwriter, is very conspicuous. The album as a whole just comes across as mediocre. Maybe it's because I've been a fan since Spectres, even though Ninja was BOC, it also wasn't quite BOC. My first concert ever was on my 16th birthday (if you can believe that), Blue Oyster Cult on the Mirrors tour (8/31/79), with the Ian Hunter Band w/ Mick Ronson opening, at the Hollywood (FL) Sportatorium, front row seats (alot of ETL was recorded at the Sportatorium). Man did The Vigil and Great Sun Jester rock! (the whole show was surreal, it was so good.) I was also at the Atlanta comic show where Eric and Moorcock gigged. (1 wk ago before I joined this list I had never heard of Hawkwind, Calvert, Nik (?) etc. are they in the public eye even less than BOC, or was it just me?) There is some similarity w/ Ninja to what happened in 1981. Rick Downey was on the crew and knew the set and was able to fill in for Albert, and in a pinch that would be fine. To play drum parts live that have already been created by another person is one thing. To replace that person in a band and attempt to create new material is quite another. BOC replaced Albert as a drummer but never replaced his songwriting ability or his creativity in his drum parts. In my opinion that was a very significant loss that the band played off as less so. There was something unique going on when Albert was there that was lost at Castle Donnington (to me he was the perfect drummer for the band). Club Ninja without Lanier exacerbated the situation and left a hole in the fabric of BOC in another area (just listen to those synths!). Robert Prince RBrent1044 at aol.com From DanH at STLABS.COM Fri Feb 28 15:34:57 1997 From: DanH at STLABS.COM (Dan Hinds) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:34:57 -0800 Subject: BOC; Club Ninja Message-ID: > >>>Brad>" I'm sorry but I must disagree, 'Club Ninja' is the second >>>>>best >>>BOC album, behind 'Imaginos' IMHO...Look at the lyrics of 'White >>Flags', >>>'Beat-em-Up' amongst others..This was actually the first BOC album I >>>>>heard so >>>I may have a soft spot for it but it's still in my top 10 alltime albums >>>for >>>over 10 years. >>> The song writing is some of the best since 'Last Days Of May' and >>>'Before The Kiss'..Now while there have been better songs than are on >>>>>'Club >>>Ninja' I must say that taken on the whole as an album, it was only >>>>>bettered >>>by 'Imaginos'. >>> L8r everyone, >>> Brad 'Godzilla' Crawford" >> >>Some bold sentiments there Brad. I won't knock it though I do disagree >>with your statement, but I disagree for almost the same reason. Feet >>Knees was the first album I bought and only after seeing that tour. My >>first impression of BOC remains amongst my strongest. Feet/Knees and >>ST, the second album bought. The rest of the catalog will always pale >>to these two and I accept no arguments. I wonder how many other fans >>feel their first BOC album represents the best? Not me. My first purchase was TRBN, which I like (I like all of the albums to varying degrees), but it is by no means my favorite. The first couple songs I heard by BOC were Dr. Music and Mirrors, back when they were getting airplay, and Mirrors is one of my *least* favorite albums (though I love those tracks and The Vigil...and I Am The Storm...) Club Ninja is a strange one. I didn't like it much when I first bought it, but it has grown on me over the years. Production-wise, I think it's one of their best (the drums sound particularly good to me). Unlike other albums that have a few classics, a few good songs and maybe one or two average ones, CN is in the 'pretty good' range throughout. I still wouldn't rank it as high as albums like Spectres, FOUO, T&M or ST, but it's a fine album and a lot better than the band (and Sandy P.) make it seem. Later, --dan--> From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Fri Feb 28 15:35:21 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 20:35:21 -0000 Subject: Solo stuff, and all that.... Message-ID: > Good day to all, > (or night, as the case may be...) hi there, > (i) Does anyone know if you can order directly from Flicknife, or iff > anywhere in particular could mail order their catalog? The specific > reason I ask, is an interest in Dave Brock's "Agent's of Chaos" CD, and > the like, which I believe were available on Flicknife flickknife- (01) 993 6524 dont know if its current- ... > Comming close to the end now... > A last question is about the whereabouts of any Hawk videos. One that > particularly looks very nice to me is the "HW Promos Video). If aanyone > has this, is this actually film clips. I like the live material that > I've got, but I was wondering if they had any actual film clips. i got it. it would be cool except for the bad conversion to US format from pal.its like part live stuff,part studio. it looks like a long mtv video, but with better music... get it from brock, at hw merchandising.again its originally pal,so... > A last thing. What do people think of Helios Creed? I'm listening to > the Cleo "X-Rated Tales/Catholic Finger" album, and, even after having > it for the last few months, am unsure what to make of him. I've heard > his guitar on various other things, but don't know whether I should go > out and get some Chrome recordings... i LOVE helio's stuff. if yer gonna go for chrome,pick up cleopatra's chrome box. its very cool,and i think,some of the best material. rj > Anyway, It's been a far too long note, so I shall shut myself up, and > sit down for a bit, I think, once the men in the white coats give me my > medecine... > > - Max "too much gin" Wilcox From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Fri Feb 28 15:37:05 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 20:37:05 -0000 Subject: Solo stuff, and all (helios) Message-ID: to me listening to helios is like getting on one of those very fast,wavy thru the tunnel amusemant-park rides.. Chaotic is exactly right. rj > ---------- > > From: Max I had some stuff that was close to film clip quality, > > but, I'M LOOKING FOR MORE, GODDAMN-IT!!!! (er, sorry about that...). > > A last thing. What do people think of Helios Creed? I'm listening > to > > the Cleo "X-Rated Tales/Catholic Finger" album, and, even after having > > it for the last few months, am unsure what to make of him. I've heard > > his guitar on various other things, but don't know whether I should go > > out and get some Chrome recordings... > > > > Every time I listen to HC (which isn't too often) I feel like it's almost > very good, it's close to being good, but something's just missing...or I'm > just missing something. It certainly does tend to have a chaotic feel to > it, and is definitely unique. > Am also interested to hear Chrome some day... Chuck From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Fri Feb 28 20:58:33 1997 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:58:33 -0900 Subject: Helios Creed / Nik Turner In-Reply-To: <199703010138.UAA27041@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, RJ wrote: > > > A last thing. What do people think of Helios Creed? Great stuff!! I love it. Highly original music with guts, but it still retains enough rock-n-roll cliches to be accessible. Chrome is even more of the same, but perhaps a bit more structured... You know the song Superior Catholic Finger? That's very Chrome-like. I just bought Helios' Busting Through the Van Allen Belt which has a live track featuring Nik Turner. Anyway, this is in the realm of psychotic space rock... in other words space rock with lots of heavy metal riffing, growls, hisses, tortured guitar noises, backwards vocals, backwards drums, all sorts of stuff to make you think you're losing your mind. An early Chrome album is Alien Soundtracks and it sounds just like its name. Another great Chrome album is No Humans Allowed. But don't make the mistake of buying any Chrome after about 1984 when Helios Creed left the band. After that they turned into synthesizer mush. -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 28 05:43:21 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:43:21 +0000 Subject: OFF: Civ I vs. Civ II In-Reply-To: <970227121332_620486853@emout01.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Just out off interest, When playing Civ-II, do you find your map littered with places like Brocktown, Levitation, Motorhead, Turnerville, the leafy hamlet of PXR 5 etc? Is the advisory "Civil unrest in Brainstorm. Mayor flees" familiar to you? and just how many Elvis' do the citizens of Palace Springs need, ferchrisakes!? -- Jon Browne