From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Dec 1 00:32:41 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 06:32:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: Snow Message-ID: At 11:42 PM 11/30/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hey, any snow you don't want, I'll take! > >SET > > That's good to know. Is it possible to e-mail some cybersnow to you? Though, there's no snow here in Kalmar (in the south of Sweden) yet (thank god!) but they do have snow in Stockholm. I hope it will stay there for the rest of the winter. - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Dec 1 04:53:12 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:53:12 +0000 Subject: OFF: Snow In-Reply-To: <971130234252_1373394679@mrin83.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In article <971130234252_1373394679 at mrin83.mail.aol.com>, Steven Tice writes >Hey, any snow you don't want, I'll take! > >SET * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Dec 1 04:49:59 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:49:59 +0000 Subject: top ten psych lps... and then some rediscovered Mercury Rev! In-Reply-To: <34804fcc.22624598@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <34804fcc.22624598 at post.demon.co.uk>, Steve Pond writes >You can thank Barney Bubbles for all the covers on "Ersatz" the whole >concept of "The Imperial Pompadours" was his, he chose the songs, >designed the sleeve (obviously) and released the record. I wish I'd met the guy. He was a fuckin' genius. Jamie Reid gets an enormous amount of credit for his "punk design" work i.e. The "Never Mind The Bollocks" cover, but look at the amount Barney did. Everything on Stiff, Hall Of The Mountaian Grill, they even used his stuff for 1999 Party. I wonder if there's a Barney website........... -- Jon Browne From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Mon Dec 1 05:09:43 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:09:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Pentagramaspinn - notGong notParagong notround notlager Message-ID: I just think that all of You out there who are Gong-freaks should get Paragong Live '73, it's such a wonderful bit of freak-music, but to shed some light on this affair I will quote the text from the booklet, O.K. (Yes, I should have done this from the start but I'd forgot about their existence, sorry). "It was March 1973, Daevid Allen and Gilli Smyth, exhausted by the hectic 1972 touring schedule, the recording of 'Flying Teapot', and occupied by their baby Tally, left Gong - the group they had founded in 1969 - and returned to Deya, Majorca. By this time 'Flying Teapot' drummer* and bassist Laurie Allen and Francis Moze had also decided that they had had enough, and had departed. Tim Blake, Steve Hillage, Didier Malherbe, Venux de Lux and the extended Gong family/tribe decided to continue. Paragong was born." [here follows a bit on how Mike Howlett and Pierre Moerlen joined the band, and then, something off interest for the discussion, I'll continue] "Paragong existed for only two short month, March and April '73**, and only ever played gigs in France. Up until now there has been no release to document the band's crucial role in the development of Gong. Paragong was in fact the vehicle in which the major players of the best-known Gong line-up first came together, and where to large measure the musical of the 'classic' Gong sound first manifested." *Is drummer the English word for drummel, I wonder ? ** What's so short about them ? Now, just get it, it should still be available, try Voiceprint. Kenneth > Chris Warburton writes: > >> >>Definitely not: there may have been a Gong track on "V" (probably was) but >> >>definitely not Paragong. The Gong track would have been from the "teapot" >> >>trilogy, or an ottake therefrom. >> >> >> >>I will brook no disapute on this ( *g* ). I spent too much time after >> >>school ('73/'74/'75 academic years) listening to "V" and the other Virgin >> >>stuff of the time ( & Henry Cow stilll rool!) to misremember >> >>this...Paragong came along later, probably post Shamal/Gazeuse period - or >> >>even as a response to those.... >> >># >> >>ChrisW >> > >> >Now, you sure your memory isn't SLIGHTLY rusty even? ;^)~ >> > >> >Let me just check here... ah yes, the Tapestry Of Delights book... hmm, >> >ah, yes!! Kenneth is right! And I am right! You were there then, you >> >prove it by not remembering this :) I will quote from the historical >> >tome: >> > >> >"The dominant forces of what remained of Gongwere Hillage and Moerlen, >> >but the only vinyl output of this era <1975> seems to have been Hillage's >> >solo album Fish Rising, which included alot of band material, and an >> >outtake, "Pentagramaspin", which got an airing on Virgin's 1975 double >> >album sampler, "V", credited to Paragong." >> > >> >> I remember the title of the track now that you mention it, and it may be >> that the line up was that of "Paragong", but I still maintain that it was >> NOT credited to "Paragong" on the copy of "V" that my friend owned - I >> think perhaps it was just listed as an outtake from "Fish Rising": either >> way, it was a most excellent track (as were most of the tracks on that >> sampler). > >OK - peace! > >Here's a definitive description from the whateveritwas leaflet that >accompanied this release (I've got a xerox copy a friend gave me once). > > STEVE HILLAGE > > Pentagramaspinn > (Steve Hillage) 5.45 > > The Sky-drunk Heartbeat Band comprising > > STEVIE HILLSIDE Guitar and Voice > BAMBALONI YONI Youyou voice > MIKE HOWLETT Bass > DAVE STEWART Organ > TIM BLAKE Synthesizer > DIDIER MALHERBE Saxaphone > PIERRE MOERLINN Percussion > >A track from the sessions for Steve Hillage's forthcoming solo album on >Virgin, this won't be included on (V203) (out in April). > > Recorded September 1974 at the Manor > Engineer: Simon Heyworth > Published by Virgin Music (Publishers) Ltd > > Steve Hillage is a member of Gong > > >There y'are > >jill > >PS: there was also a Clearlight Symphony track on it - but not one > that featured any of the Gong folk. >========================================================================= >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Dec 1 06:24:02 1997 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:24:02 +0200 Subject: HW:Paragong In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hej, >I just think that all of You out there who are Gong-freaks should get >Paragong Live '73, it's such a wonderful bit of freak-music, but to shed >some light on this affair I will quote the text from the booklet, O.K. >(Yes, I should have done this from the start but I'd forgot about their >existence, sorry). > I totally agree, this is a must hear! I really like the CD a lot. >"It was March 1973, Daevid Allen and Gilli Smyth, exhausted by the hectic >1972 touring schedule, the recording of 'Flying Teapot', and occupied by >their baby Tally, left Gong - the group they had founded in 1969 - and >returned to Deya, Majorca. By this time 'Flying Teapot' drummer* and >bassist Laurie Allen and Francis Moze had also decided that they had had >enough, and had departed. Tim Blake, Steve Hillage, Didier Malherbe, Venux >de Lux and the extended Gong family/tribe decided to continue. Paragong was >born." > >[here follows a bit on how Mike Howlett and Pierre Moerlen joined the band, >and then, something off interest for the discussion, I'll continue] > >"Paragong existed for only two short month, March and April '73**, and only >ever played gigs in France. Up until now there has been no release to >document the band's crucial role in the development of Gong. Paragong was >in fact the vehicle in which the major players of the best-known Gong >line-up first came together, and where to large measure the musical of the >'classic' Gong sound first manifested." > This suprises me a bit as i have a tape of Paragong labeled: PARAGONG- FREE TRADE HALL, MANCHESTER 4/27/73 55M VG+ Anyway, they were a great short lived band! scott ObMD- UFO- K?benhavn 11/28/97 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 37 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 1 06:56:44 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 07:56:44 EDT Subject: tBS in Elmira, BOC in our hearts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > Not too shabby Elmira review! Did they do either of the Hawkwind tunes? I got there a little late, though I don't think I missed much. They were in the middle of Career of Evil when I showed. I understand they do the HW stuff early on, so I might have missed them. Even so, they played another hour after I got there [at least!] before breaking... > theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 1 07:23:08 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 08:23:08 EDT Subject: tBS in Elmira In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > John S.>Geez, I'm gonna have to give up trying to write reviews of tBS > shows > myself, what with all the talented writers here and all. > > Agree. Great review Theo. Keep this up and we may elevate you to Torgo > status. A lofty acheivement when you consider Torgo's great album > reviews. > > John S.>The only flaw in Theo's most excellent review of the Elmira show > was no > mention of the bottom end being held down by bassist David Hirschberg -- > sorry Theo, but NOBODY ignores the bassplayer on MY watch! ;-) > > Ah yes there is this little matter. Never forget the bass player Theo, > we may have to report you to your own band member who plays this > esential instrument. 8>) > > L8er > lil ab > Yeah, I knew it was a mistake the second I finished re-reading it, but then it was already sent! Further observations about the Elmira gig: I was impressed by how tight the band is. They know their material by heart. Narry a missed beat or blown change the whole night. And they were really grooving to the tunes. Of course, a packed house full of enthusiastic fans helped out. I was a bit mystified by this. I take it Billy has a big following in his hometown? Were people who saw his old cover bands coming out to see tBS? Or is this joint a favorite watering hole, and they all showed up anyway and were simply blown out by tBS? It doesn't seem possible there'd be that many tBS fans in one spot, given the fact that their discs aren't readily available. Also, the crowd didn't look like typical heavy rock fans or BOC-ers [though they all were familiar with the BOC tunes]. Too many good-looking women in the crowd for a BOC gig! And not dressed like rockers. [But who's complaining] Apologies to the P.C. police...I thought it odd for such a healthy crowd, as the door charge was kind of high for a relatively unknown band, yet it was packed. A lot of stuff didn't add up, but what a great show! Tiny bar--you'd have to go outside to change your mind. Couldn't have been more than a hundred people there, but you could not move it was so packed... tBS ruled! People were beseiging all band members at the breaks. tBS were very gracious and made time for everyone. Al's got quite a personality. Very refreshing to see somebody who's been everywhere and seen it all act like such a regular guy. Sold lots of CD, shirts and hats, and the band dutifully autographed 'em all! Deb has emerged as a truly threatening front person. And she's playing a mean six-string these days too. Crowd was grooving to her all night. They played two hard-working sets, both very long and well paced. Good mixture of songs to keep the momentum at the right level. A gas to hear tBS do a Skynyrd tune! I was wondering if 'maybe I shouldn't have smoked that last bowl?' But no, that was indeed tBS playing Simple Man. That was cool to hear... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 1 08:38:02 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 08:38:02 -0500 Subject: More Imaginos Message-ID: >I won't speak for all of BOC but I agree with Theo 1000%; Buck is better than he used to be which boggles as he (to me) was the best even back then. I also agree. Don't know if Buck's "chops" have really improved, but his feel for the song and ability to make his solos more coherent is definitely better than ever (assuming of course there was ever room for improvement). >If Al's the man then forget the concessions we are gonna get Imaginos the way he and Sandy intended. >From my own negatively biased opinions of Pearlman (based mostly on interviews I've read with him - including especially the fairly recent one in Seconds magazine), the only thing we need Pearlman for is the lyrics he wrote -- as for musical "vision", I'm not sure he has anything left to contribute. As long as Al has access to the lyrics (big if?), Imaginos could get its proper treatment. Of course, all of this discussion assumes that Al even wants to do this. I have a feeling that Al has pretty much closed the book on *Imaginos*. I mean, I personally would love to see the definitive version of this album done, and if Al (with or without tBS) wants to undertake it, I'm all for it. On the other hand, if Al doesn't have the time or desire to try and re-create something from arguably a difficult time in his life, I'm not about to demand it as a fan. >While I love this album, IMHO (of course) it is not as good as some other concept albums I have heard. O.K., now you went too far! ;-) Well, you can have your opinions on which concept album is best (and I certainly am a big fan of *Dead Winter Dead*). The biggest problem with *Imaginos* as a concept album, IMHO, is that because it was not " "complete", and because the songs aren't really in the right order (I still say "Random Access History" is a fabricated myth to explain the bad sequence on the final product), it can be confusing to follow the "story" (o.k., we educated fans know what's going on, but to the uninitiated, do they really hear these songs as all part of a complete story? My guess is no). John From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Mon Dec 1 08:34:05 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:34:05 +0100 Subject: HW: An open letter to EMI and HW Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > Dear people at EMI > > I'd like to say THANK YOU for this wonderful X-Mas gift called > HAWKWIND, The 1999 Party in Chicago 1974. > > What a phantastic piece of music!!!! What a great sleeve! > > I love every song, every second of this CD > > There is a good chance for you to please all the HAWK-FANS all around the > world again: Release another LIVE CD, if possible from the ASTOUNDING tour > in Autumn 1976!! > > Thanks again from a very lucky HAWKWIND fan > > Bernhard Well, I think we all agree with Bernhard! It?s just the best live-album ever made IMHO! Greetings from a snowy Sundsvall (somewhere in the north of Sweden) Hawkswede -- ========================================================== " Sunrise I greet you, the beauty of your light, so warm and tender was never the night. In tears I see you, the last time it will be, so give me blessing , I?ll meet my destiny" "At the gallows end" from Nightfall by Candlemass Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Dec 1 09:16:00 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:16:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Snow Message-ID: >At 11:42 PM 11/30/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Hey, any snow you don't want, I'll take! >> >>SET >> >> >That's good to know. Is it possible to e-mail some cybersnow >to you? >Though, there's no snow here in Kalmar (in the south of Sweden) yet (thank god!) >but they do have snow in Stockholm. >I hope it will stay there for the rest of the winter. Lemme check outside. Dang, a bit chilly, It's around 72F (22C) outside this morning. Much colder than yesteray. Nope, no snow in sight yet. Andrew West Palm Beach From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Dec 1 09:17:06 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:17:06 -0500 Subject: tBS: More Imaginos Message-ID: >Of course, all of this discussion assumes that Al even wants to do this. >I have a feeling that Al has pretty much closed the book on *Imaginos*.. I agree on that one. But also, with various pieces being scattered throughout tBS releases, it is beginning to be possible to piece together Im(m)aginos on a tape in the right order, I'd made one up that included GBC from SFG and tBS items, I'm gonna have to remake it once I get Malpractice, but that's no real hassle... BTW, does CBS still have any stake in Imaginos? i.e., would it have to be with their approval or as their album? ... Since Imaginos is an album you can't abreviate, how about I* as a shorthand for Imaginos (and M* for Mirrors)? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 1 08:36:06 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:36:06 EDT Subject: OFF: Snow In-Reply-To: <199712011416.JAA31423@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: > From: "Andrew A. Apold" > >>Hey, any snow you don't want, I'll take! > >> > >>SET > >> > >> > >That's good to know. Is it possible to e-mail some cybersnow > >to you? > >Though, there's no snow here in Kalmar (in the south of Sweden) yet (thank > god!) > >but they do have snow in Stockholm. > >I hope it will stay there for the rest of the winter. > > Lemme check outside. Dang, a bit chilly, It's around 72F (22C) outside this > morning. Much colder than yesteray. Nope, no snow in sight yet. > > Andrew > West Palm Beach I was able to play 18 Saturday, right here in the snow capital of North America. Greens were a little rough. The private course was in a lot better shape for the rich bastards... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Dec 1 09:59:10 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:59:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Snow Message-ID: > Lemme check outside. Dang, a bit chilly, It's around 72F (22C) outside this >> morning. Much colder than yesteray. Nope, no snow in sight yet. >> >> Andrew >> West Palm Beach > >I was able to play 18 Saturday, right here in the snow capital of >North America. Greens were a little rough. The private course was >in a lot better shape for the rich bastards... Whatever happened to that "Snowman" guy who used to be on here? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 1 10:29:08 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:29:08 -0500 Subject: BOC: New Releases Message-ID: O.K. folks, don't s**t yer pants, but I've heard some discussion going around about "new" BOC albums coming out in January. No, not "The Wheel" (although I still hear that March, "possibly" sooner, is the date), but: 1. According to a December issue of ICE magazine, Mobile Fidelity is releasing "Agents of Fortune" on a gold CD. 2. Word is that King Biscuit is putting out a BOC release of the best of their BOC stuff from '75 to '86 (from 7 different shows). This has the potential to be a pretty cool release, IMHO - there were some great live tracks in those shows (and hey, "Wings of Mercury" was on the last one - although I suspect it's likelihood of being one of the tracks that makes the cut will be low). Let's just hope that they keep "the big 3" off this release (got enough live versions of them - would much rather have the live "Morning Final" from a '76 show, or "Lips in the Hills" from '81). John From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Dec 1 10:56:10 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 07:56:10 PST Subject: BOC...More Imaginos...Flip Sake! Message-ID: >>If Al's the man then forget the concessions we are >>gonna get Imaginos the way he and Sandy intended. Fact - this is the only way we'll get the rest of the saga. >>As long as Al has access to the lyrics (big if?),Imaginos could get >>its proper treatment. Fact - yes, unqualified fact! >>Of course, all of this discussion assumes that Al even wants to do >>this. I have a feeling that Al has pretty much closed the book on >>*Imaginos*. If he's still talking about it, still doing songs related and connected to it, then I don't think he'll never really get it out of his blood, it's much too rich a source to leave it behind forever. >>I mean, I personally would love to see the definitive version of >>this album done, and if Al (with or without tBS) wants to >>undertake it, I'm all for it. On the other hand, if Al doesn't have >>the time or desire to try and re-create something from arguably a >>difficult time in his life, I'm not about to demand it as a fan. Where have we got this idea about "recreating" Im(m)aginos?? What a cockamaymie idea. We've got Imaginos. We love Imaginos. But there's so much more of the Soft Doctrines that have never even made it to vinyl - this is what we need. Imaginos (the LP) is bare bones. It's a minimum, a taster, a teaser. The two projected albums which were to complete the cycle are what we want. Nobody can demand these records, but are they not the dark holy grail which is driving us on??? If Al has trouble reconciling now with then, it certainly doesn't show. Chris. -- The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society - http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Dec 1 11:18:33 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:18:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: Snow Message-ID: >I was able to play 18 Saturday, right here in the snow capital of >North America. Greens were a little rough. The private course was >in a lot better shape for the rich bastards... >theo >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >"...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." >v.vega While I was home in Syracuse, NY, Snow Capital of North America, for Thanksgiving, a lot of people were talking about how the strong "El Nino" will affect the area. It doesn't matter at all. Syracuse will get dumped-on with tons of "lake effect" snow like it always does, no matter what El Nino does to the Northeast in general. Remember the Bizzard(s) of '93? I was able to stand on a snowbank and grab the rim of my baskeball hoop in my driveway! I'm 5' 7" tall... Now _that's_ snow! OK, let's talk about BOC and HW now :) Enjoying the lack of snow in Rochester, NY. Brian obCD> The Brain Surgeons: Box of Hammers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My guess is no). Not to mention the fact that the story _Imaginos_ attempts to tell is one of the most fantastic, detailed and atypical conceptual pieces ever to set down on vinyl. Then again, (especially on the first 3 LPs) the quantity of non-standard lyrical subjects was enormous in comparison to most other popular guitar based rock groups of the day. To choose a handful of artists as an example, Rush's concept album period, the entire Led Zep catalog (save for the few mythologically derived tunes), King Crimson (which was just musically odd. Lyrically they did do some neat stuff, but it wasn't completely out there material), and Jethro Tull (OK they have a flute, but the lyrics still had some footing in normalcy) don't hold a candle to the macabre domain of BOC's verbiage at the time. The songs, as is the whole Imaginos saga itself, have a particularly isolated footing to stand on from the real world and require one to enter into it without baggage save for imagination. As Albert once said about Tyrrany & Mutation on the list, they wanted to make the scariest LP they could. BOC's words back then, in and out of the Imaginos context, were not for the weak of mind nor faint of heart. (Of course, Club Ninja's tunes were also pretty darn scary, but for other reasons) Spout yer werds and waive your banners, Jason From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Mon Dec 1 11:46:36 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:46:36 -0000 Subject: BOC: Imaginos liner notes Message-ID: >"complete", and because the songs aren't really in the right order (I >still say "Random Access History" is a fabricated myth to explain the >bad sequence on the final product), it can be confusing to follow the >"story" (o.k., we educated fans know what's going on, but to the >uninitiated, do they really hear these songs as all part of a complete >story? My guess is no). Who wrote narrative/song descriptions for the LP? Jason From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Dec 1 13:08:12 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:08:12 +0000 Subject: BOC: New Releases Message-ID: On m?n 1 dec 1997 10.29 -0500 "John A Swartz" wrote: > 2. Word is that King Biscuit is putting out a BOC release of the best of > their BOC stuff from '75 to '86 (from 7 different shows). > Let's just hope that they keep "the big 3" off > this release (got enough live versions of them - would much rather have > the live "Morning Final" from a '76 show, or "Lips in the Hills" from '81). John, I am moved and shamed by your unbounded optimism! :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: _Fire of Unknown Origin_! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 1 13:23:50 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:23:50 -0500 Subject: BOC...More Imaginos...Flip Sake! Message-ID: >>Of course, all of this discussion assumes that Al even wants to do >>this. I have a feeling that Al has pretty much closed the book on >>*Imaginos*. >If he's still talking about it, still doing songs related and connected to it, then I don't think he'll never really get it out of his blood, it's much too rich a source to leave it behind forever. Well, I think some of what Al has done with *Imaginos* material lately has to do more with what we fans have been talking about - something I'm very grateful for, BTW. I don't know how much Al personally wants to do some of this, as much as how much we all are almost demanding it. Al obviously has a wealth of musical material - with or without the *Imaginos* stuff - and he's stated that he wants to keep releasing albums until he gets all of his stuff out. Then of course he has bandmates who also have material (at least Pete and Deb so far have shown to be contributing writers to tBS material), so he may want to continue with more of that as well. So, we'll see what happens. As some of you know, when Al first formed tBS, he wanted little to do with most of BOC's stuff (he's quoted somewhere as saying, "O.K., no one is even going to SAY BOC around here", or words to that effect). Al joined BOC-L not long after *Eponymous* was released. After that, *Trepanation* and *Box of Hammers* both had instrumental pieces which harken back to Al's BOC work, and two cassettes with BOC covers on them. tBS has also expanded on their use of BOC covers in their live shows. I think part of all this has a lot to do with the input of we fans on BOC-L, and other places. We all love tBS new stuff, yet we still want to hear many of those "golden oldies" that Al was associated with (I'm talkin' about the stuff he wrote of course, not stuff like "The Big 3"), and Al recognizes giving that part of being a performer is giving the fans what they want. Of course, asking Al to re-create/re-do/finish *Imaginos, if he's not up to it (and I don't know if he is or isn't), is a demand that I wouldn't necessarily expect Al to cater to. Hey Al, you've been a bit quiet these days (I assume/hope you've been busy stuffing CD orders for Xmas, and booking your next Boston gig ;-) ), but if you're out there, perhaps you'd like to share your thoughts on some of this. >Where have we got this idea about "recreating" Im(m)aginos?? What a cockamaymie idea. We've got Imaginos. We love Imaginos. But there's so much more of the Soft Doctrines that have never even made it to vinyl - this is what we need. Imaginos (the LP) is bare bones. It's a minimum, a taster, a teaser. The two projected albums which were to complete the cycle are what we want. Nobody can demand these records, but are they not the dark holy grail which is driving us on??? Well, "recreating" may be a bad choice of words. I think what many mean is not necessarily re-doing the original album, at least not as it stands. What we mean is doing the whole ball of wax as one complete entity, and this would naturally (??) include the *Imaginos* songs that we currently have. Sure, some might just want the next 2 albums from the supposed 3-album cycle. But what I think some of us are talking about is if *Imaginos* is ever to be re-addressed by someone (BOC, tBS, Savatage, whoever), then the production should include all the songs which describe the "Soft Doctrines" as a complete package. In years past, I always thought that what was needed was for those other 2 albums to be released. I still would love for that to happen, but I'm way past the point of ever expecting such a thing. But, as I've said before, the whole *Imaginos* saga would fit nicely probably on a double CD package, and if I can wish for the stars, well, then I'd like to see the whole thing done up in one package, the proper way. And, IF (very big IF) Al wanted to "complete" the *Imaginos* stuff outside the auspices of BOC, with more of his vocals, his musicians, and his production, then I'd want to see it all done as a big production of the whole concept. Again, I realize I'm asking a lot, and if that isn't possible (and it probably isn't), then I'd be very happy to get the rest of the stuff that hasn't yet been released. >If Al has trouble reconciling now with then, it certainly doesn't show. True, but as I've said, Al may be responding more to fan input on all of this than on his own personal wishes. My original point was more to the effect that Al might have to deal with people that he doesn't want to deal with at this point in his life in order to do more stuff with *Imaginos*. Again, all speculation on my part. John Looking forward to my copy of *Malpractise*... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 1 13:26:14 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:26:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: New Releases Message-ID: > John, I am moved and shamed by your unbounded optimism! :) LOL - don't worry Carl, I'm sure I'll soon be served a harsh dose of reality! ;-) John PS: "Rumor" has it that Bolle might have had some input into what goes into this release. I repeat, this is only a rumour, and I expect to be flamed unmercifully on this and other forums if I'm wrong. ;-) From AgentOF at AOL.COM Mon Dec 1 13:53:21 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:53:21 -0500 Subject: BOC: New Releases Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-01 13:26:37 EST, you write: << PS: "Rumor" has it that Bolle might have had some input into what goes into this release. I repeat, this is only a rumour, and I expect to be flamed unmercifully on this and other forums if I'm wrong. ;-) >> This is not a rumor, it's a fact, as I talked to the KBFH guy myself. Whether he took Bolle's advice is another story;-) chuck From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 1 14:22:31 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:22:31 -0500 Subject: BOC: New Releases Message-ID: >This is not a rumor, it's a fact, as I talked to the KBFH guy myself. I saw your post on Jack's BB, Chuck - but didn't want to speak for ya... > Whether he took Bolle's advice is another story;-) Well, if he's a BOC-L member . . . LMAO Seriously though, this is good news, and will be a welcom addition to my collection. Just hope they don't include *too much* of the '86 California broadcast since I've already got that on the *Into the Crypt of Rays* CD. John From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Dec 1 14:13:37 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:13:37 GMT Subject: HW: An open letter to EMI and HW In-Reply-To: <3482BCCC.AA1ED38D@sundsvall.mail.telia.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:34:05 +0100, you sent through the ether: >Well, I think we all agree with Bernhard! It?s just the best live-album ever >made IMHO! Ahem.. Space Ritual.. ahem.... S. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Dec 1 17:01:54 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:01:54 +0100 Subject: OFF: Snow In-Reply-To: <199712011416.JAA31423@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: At 09:16 01.12.97 -0500, Andrew A. Apold wrote: >Lemme check outside. Dang, a bit chilly, It's around 72F (22C) outside this >morning. Much colder than yesteray. Nope, no snow in sight yet. You people deserve a high crime rate! Christian NP: Moby Grape "Vintage" From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Mon Dec 1 11:23:13 1997 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:23:13 GMT Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: Hmm... I am NOT going to bring that dreaded thread back up - I've already mentioned my own opinions & beliefs in the past, in similar threads, as some of you might remember. This said, I hadn't been reading my incoming BOC-L mail for quite a while (due to too much work) and now that I've caught up, I can't help but to answer to this one thing. Let it die, if you wish, but I just needed to point this out - since no one else did... Guido wrote : >> Why should people in 1997 be any more >> enlightened than people in the Dark Ages? Just because we have better >> education, better communication, etc does not FORCE people to have >> enlightened opinions.. > >You can lead a horse to water . . . true. People often remain unenlightened >by choice. This is in contrast to the Dark Ages where there wasn't much >choice. It seems reasonable to me that, presented with the tremendous >educational opportunities we have today, that many people, if not most, >would take advantage of these opportunities. But, there are those who do >not have access to these opportunities, and there are those who choose to >be just plain ignorant, and believe in silly things like Satan.. Okay. So let me see if I got this straight. To you, believing in God and Satan (whether or not they do exist is beyond my point) is what you call "unenlightened", that is to say "barbaric", perhaps, since you are talking about "Dark Ages" ? At the very least, you are suggesting this is due to a "lack of education" (since you mention educational opportunities of today as if Christians ignored these). And yet, and yet, my dear Guido, could I point out that most Christians are usually very altruistic people, who are always ready to help others, honest, respectful of laws, etc... OTOH, when I look around at the world, I am very frightened by what I see. The increase of violence, strong language getting worse... this is slowly working its way into everything, including video clips. Look at stuff by Marylin Manson, NIN, etc... regardless of how good the music and/or lyrics are, the videos are just gross and disgusting. Do we really need stuff like that ? Do you find it "civilized" ? "educated" ? Someone on the list mentioned that bands like Marilyn Manson just used this as an image, wanting to make "music-you-don't-want-your-kids-to-listen"... right. But what's the point ? I thought the goal in making music was to share it with others, and as many as possible. Besides, I think at least 80% of the people who listen to those bands ARE kids. I think bands use those images just to be original, to be "different"... but why does it have to go into such violence and gore and other such disgusting material ? Bowie was original in the 60's and 70's. Ziggy was an image too, but there was nothing so disgusting about it. Decadence is the word, here. So I'm sorry, Guido, but you make me laugh when you say that people who believe in God or Satan have chosen to be "unenlightened". When I compare the Christian community to the rest of the world, I can tell you this : the Christian community seems much more "normal" - and once again, I'm not talking about beliefs, but about the way people act. Geez, I'm sorry... hmmm... I didn't expect this to get so long and to turn out just the way it did, but well, I put stuff in here that have been bugging me for years, and I just had to get it out of my system ;-) BTW, you can reply to this privately, if you want, to avoid turning this into another neverending thread... :-o Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Mon Dec 1 11:23:01 1997 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:23:01 GMT Subject: BOC: More Imaginos Message-ID: John wrote : >Well, you can have your opinions on which concept album is best (and I >certainly am a big fan of *Dead Winter Dead*). The biggest problem with >*Imaginos* as a concept album, IMHO, is that because it was not " >"complete", and because the songs aren't really in the right order (I >still say "Random Access History" is a fabricated myth to explain the >bad sequence on the final product), it can be confusing to follow the >"story" (o.k., we educated fans know what's going on, but to the >uninitiated, do they really hear these songs as all part of a complete >story? My guess is no).. I dunno 'bout that last part, John. As I've said in the past, "Imaginos" was my first introduction to BOC, back in 88-89. So obviously I wasn't a fan yet, but just by simply reading the liner notes I understood the album was a concept and could easily understand the story by just listening to the lyrics and putting them back into order with the help of the mentioned liner notes. I'm guessing, though, that even without the latter I'd been able to make my way through the whole thing and still get blown by its magnificence... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 1 16:33:57 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:33:57 EDT Subject: OFF: Snow In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971201230154.0078c59c@online.no> Message-ID: > From: Christian Mumford > At 09:16 01.12.97 -0500, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >Lemme check outside. Dang, a bit chilly, It's around 72F (22C) outside this > >morning. Much colder than yesteray. Nope, no snow in sight yet. > > You people deserve a high crime rate! > > Christian > > NP: Moby Grape "Vintage" !!!!!!! Hey, Christian...were you a geezer in a past life? BTW, got the tapes and listening to them now...Amazing stuff! theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Dec 1 17:50:05 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:50:05 -0000 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: OK, leaving religion out of it... >OTOH, when I > look > around at the world, I am very frightened by what I see. The increase of > violence, strong language getting worse... this is slowly working its way > into everything, including video clips. Look at stuff by Marylin Manson, > NIN, etc... regardless of how good the music and/or lyrics are, the > videos > are just gross and disgusting. Do we really need stuff like that ? Do you > find it "civilized" ? "educated" ? Someone on the list mentioned that > bands > like Marilyn Manson just used this as an image, wanting to make > "music-you-don't-want-your-kids-to-listen"... right. But what's the point > ? Thank you, Doctor Wertham. :) Part of rock'n'roll's *purpose* is to shock and disgust the older generation. Blue Oyster Cult were considered shocking and degenerate by many old farts in the '70s. So you're shocked and disgusted by Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson. You must be over thirty. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 1 17:12:01 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:12:01 EDT Subject: OFF: the truth is out there In-Reply-To: <199712011623.QAA01863@laguna-01.laguna.com.mx> Message-ID: > From: "Alex S. Garcia" > Guido wrote : > > >> Why should people in 1997 be any more > >> enlightened than people in the Dark Ages? Just because we have better > >> education, better communication, etc does not FORCE people to have > >> enlightened opinions.. > > > >You can lead a horse to water . . . true. People often remain unenlightened > >by choice. This is in contrast to the Dark Ages where there wasn't much > >choice. It seems reasonable to me that, presented with the tremendous > >educational opportunities we have today, that many people, if not most, > >would take advantage of these opportunities. But, there are those who do > >not have access to these opportunities, and there are those who choose to > >be just plain ignorant, and believe in silly things like Satan.. > > Okay. So let me see if I got this straight. To you, believing in God and > Satan (whether or not they do exist is beyond my point) is what you call > "unenlightened", that is to say "barbaric", perhaps, since you are talking > about "Dark Ages" ? At the very least, you are suggesting this is due to a > "lack of education" (since you mention educational opportunities of today as > if Christians ignored these). And yet, and yet, my dear Guido, could I point We have to remember that even the most 'enlightened' people of the so-called dark ages believed in God, Satan, etc., things that to me, at least, smack of superstition and black magic. The enlightened people of that age were educated in 'religious' schools, so naturally, their training was somewhat slanted toward believing in christianity. Remember that a high degree of education does not necesarily produce logical thought. Look no further than Harvard-educated Pat Buchanan. You'd think that somewhere, this rabidly catholic and ivy educated man would have somehow learned of the futility and social destructiveness of racism and religious extremism. But it didn't happen that way... > out that most Christians are usually very altruistic people, who are always > ready to help others, honest, respectful of laws, etc... OTOH, when I look Again, Pat Buchanan thinks he's holier than the Pope. Remember that the so-called Western Hemisphere was 'discovered' by Christians, who saw the aboriginals as pagans, whose beliefs were infidel, and used this as an excuse to take their land and slaughter and enslave them and destroy their culture. Read any of the tracts on early American political thought, and you'll note that these are all Christian scholars, and they all firmly believed that the Native Americans were squandering this blessed gift by not 'improving' it, i.e., not planting it in crops like the europeans would have. This was seen as laziness and a disrespect for god's gifts. Hence, it was only appropriate that this land be taken away from them and given to good christian folk who would do with the land as god intenden it be used. I'm not making this up to suit my point. This is fact, and the basis of much of early american lore. It's sad, it's regretable, but I'm afraid it's true no matter how unpalatable any of us may find it... > around at the world, I am very frightened by what I see. The increase of > violence, strong language getting worse... this is slowly working its way > into everything, including video clips. Look at stuff by Marylin Manson, > NIN, etc... regardless of how good the music and/or lyrics are, the videos > are just gross and disgusting. Do we really need stuff like that ? Do you > find it "civilized" ? "educated" ? Someone on the list mentioned that bands > like Marilyn Manson just used this as an image, wanting to make > "music-you-don't-want-your-kids-to-listen"... right. But what's the point ? > I thought the goal in making music was to share it with others, and as many Maybe it is for you and me, but obviously Manson and others have realized it's a pretty good way of making money. Throw the Rolling Stones in there and the Spice Girls too. I don't see tham as much different... > as possible. Besides, I think at least 80% of the people who listen to those > bands ARE kids. I think bands use those images just to be original, to be > "different"... but why does it have to go into such violence and gore and > other such disgusting material ? Bowie was original in the 60's and 70's. I can't offer you any help here. I simply think that society, through greed, racism, whatever, has come to view humanity itself as debased and unworthy of respect. Because parents need to work their asses off just to make ends meet, they have no time for their kids, and the kids get raised by Manson etc. I think kids are scared by adulthood and the prospect of nothing awaiting them at the end of the rainbow, so they turn to negative music... > Ziggy was an image too, but there was nothing so disgusting about it. > > Decadence is the word, here. So I'm sorry, Guido, but you make me laugh when > you say that people who believe in God or Satan have chosen to be > "unenlightened". When I compare the Christian community to the rest of the > world, I can tell you this : the Christian community seems much more > "normal" - and once again, I'm not talking about beliefs, but about the way > people act. > Look, we will have to agree to disagree. I'm no atheist, I just don't think much of organized religion. To me, the Christian community seems more concerned with controlling people than anything else. Obviously you think otherwise and I respect your views... And, FWIW, I agree with what you just posted about Imaginos! theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Mon Dec 1 18:18:35 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:18:35 -0500 Subject: BOC...More Imaginos...Flip Sake! In-Reply-To: <199712011823.NAA23199@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: John said: >True, but as I've said, Al may be responding more to fan input on all of >this than on his own personal wishes. My original point was more to the >effect that Al might have to deal with people that he doesn't want to >deal with at this point in his life in order to do more stuff with >*Imaginos*. Again, all speculation on my part. Didn't Albert say in giving the list of tunes for the other 2 lps in the Imaginos trilogy that he never plans on working w/ Sandy again? (or something to that effect?) (it's in the FAQ I think) boogaloo, Jason Man with all this Imaginos talk, I'm hankering for a' listenin' right now. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 1 17:16:01 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:16:01 EDT Subject: OFF: the truth is out there In-Reply-To: <01BCFEAB.9CA73DC0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: From: Andy Gilham > OK, leaving religion out of it... > > >OTOH, when I > > look > > around at the world, I am very frightened by what I see. The increase of > > violence, strong language getting worse... this is slowly working its way > > into everything, including video clips. Look at stuff by Marylin Manson, > > NIN, etc... regardless of how good the music and/or lyrics are, the > > videos > > are just gross and disgusting. Do we really need stuff like that ? Do you > > find it "civilized" ? "educated" ? Someone on the list mentioned that > > bands > > like Marilyn Manson just used this as an image, wanting to make > > "music-you-don't-want-your-kids-to-listen"... right. But what's the point > > ? > > Thank you, Doctor Wertham. :) > > Part of rock'n'roll's *purpose* is to shock and disgust the older > generation. Blue Oyster Cult were considered shocking and degenerate by > many old farts in the '70s. > Ab-so-bloomin'-lutely! > So you're shocked and disgusted by Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson. You > must be over thirty. > > -Andy > I'm well past 40, and to me Manson et all are just another blip on the screen. I don't watch MTV and I don't buy their records or go to their concerts, simply because they don't interest me much. If that's what it takes to get kids off, fine by me. They can vote with their feet same as me. Ignore them and they'll go away... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Mon Dec 1 18:25:35 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:25:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there In-Reply-To: <01BCFEAB.9CA73DC0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: >> around at the world, I am very frightened by what I see. The increase of >> violence, strong language getting worse... this is slowly working its way >> into everything, including video clips. Look at stuff by Marylin Manson, >> NIN, etc... regardless of how good the music and/or lyrics are, the >> videos are just gross and disgusting. Do we really need stuff like that >>? Do >>you find it "civilized" ? "educated" ? Someone on the list >>mentioned that >> bands like Marilyn Manson just used this as an image, wanting to make >> "music-you-don't-want-your-kids-to-listen"... right. But what's the point >> ? >Part of rock'n'roll's *purpose* is to shock and disgust the older >generation. Blue Oyster Cult were considered shocking and degenerate by >many old farts in the '70s. > >So you're shocked and disgusted by Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson. You >must be over thirty. > I think it's interesting to point out the negligible amount of swear words present in the metal music of BOC's era compared to today's. The sheer oddness of the themes BOC and its peers addressed is being substituted with more fleeting shock value I think these days...or is it just that cussing is more part of our culture? Showing too much knee, (that's how you get kicked off of Lawrence Welk's show) Jason From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Dec 1 18:28:52 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:28:52 -0700 Subject: BOC: New Releases In-Reply-To: <971201135321_-1908829975@mrin79> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, wrote: > In a message dated 97-12-01 13:26:37 EST, you write: > > << PS: "Rumor" has it that Bolle might have had some input into what goes > into this release. I repeat, this is only a rumour, and I expect to be > flamed unmercifully on this and other forums if I'm wrong. ;-) >> > > This is not a rumor, it's a fact, as I talked to the KBFH guy myself. > Whether he took Bolle's advice is another story;-) > > chuck > I recall talking to Bolle as well on this topic. This was about a year ago.... Also, better late than never, I LOVE THE NEW BD BAND VIDEO!!!!!!!!! I am thinking about using this in my classroom, as I teach special ed. Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Dec 1 18:32:44 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:32:44 -0700 Subject: HAPPY B-DAY, ERIC!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: BOC-L; Just wanted to remind you folks that today is Eric Bloom's birthday. He is now 53. Thanks for your time.....God bless Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 1 17:34:01 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:34:01 EDT Subject: OFF: the truth is out there In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > > I think it's interesting to point out the negligible amount of swear words > present in the metal music of BOC's era compared to today's. The sheer > oddness of the themes BOC and its peers addressed is being substituted with > more fleeting shock value I think these days...or is it just that cussing > is more part of our culture? > I think that society has simply gotten used to more foul language. Blame WWII. The word 'fuck' was virtually unknown before the war, but got learned by all the draftees who dutifully brought it into society in general... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Dec 1 18:41:26 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:41:26 +0000 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: On m?n 1 dec 1997 22.50 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > Part of rock'n'roll's *purpose* is to shock and disgust the older > generation. Blue Oyster Cult were considered shocking and degenerate by > many old farts in the '70s. > So you're shocked and disgusted by Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson. You > must be over thirty. Don't trust anyone over thirty (man). At least, not until I make it there... Cheers, Carl ObFilm: _Planet of the Apes_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 1 17:38:05 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:38:05 EDT Subject: BOC: New Releases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> From: jean l delacour > Also, better late than never, I LOVE THE NEW BD BAND VIDEO!!!!!!!!! > I am thinking about using this in my classroom, as I teach special ed. > > Manuel How's the sound quality, production etc? I'm thinking of ordering it, but planned on getting the audio disc. Is the audio available yet? theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Dec 1 18:42:37 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:42:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: Snow Message-ID: The Cambridge weather-gods once again prove themselves able to walk that fine line between wet and frozen ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Dec 1 19:13:29 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:13:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: On m?n 1 dec 1997 18.34 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" wrote: > I think that society has simply gotten used to more foul language. > Blame WWII. The word 'fuck' was virtually unknown before the war, > but got learned by all the draftees who dutifully brought it into > society in general... Profanity comes and goes (so to speak). "Fuck" is not exactly a new word. Indeed most of the common "swear words" are of old and distinguished lineage. For example, the vulgar vernacular word denoting "posterior" can be traced to a proto-Indo-European root "ors-", perhaps 6000 years old, meaning "arse". You want some real earthiness in the "recent" past (for English-speakers), head for the Elizabethan period :) DrinkFeckArseGirls, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Dec 1 19:16:07 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:16:07 -0000 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: Carl wrote > Don't trust anyone over thirty (man). At least, not until I make it > there... Don't tell anyone, but I am too :) Postscript to BOC once being shocking - now they're a gag on "I'm Alan Partridge"... -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From AgentOF at AOL.COM Mon Dec 1 19:15:36 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:15:36 -0500 Subject: BOC: New Releases Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-01 18:38:51 EST, you write: << Also, better late than never, I LOVE THE NEW BD BAND VIDEO!!!!!!!!! I am thinking about using this in my classroom, as I teach special ed. Manuel >> Cool, Manuel!!! I think that the Education and Medical fields will embrace this. This week, in a major East Coast College, the video will be shown in a Humanities class on "Inspiration" and we already have a Nursing school that is going to show it to all of their students. Also, someone is showing it to a group of "Troubled" students. (High School). If you show it, we'd love to see what the outcome is and there is going to be a spot on the web site for Education and Medicine, and we can include UNM on there! BTW, the video is going to be featured by the largest Children's Cancer foundation in the world in March. Buck will be in front of every Pediatric and Cancer professional in North America and then some. How did you like Ricky's take on Don't Fear The Reaper?:-) chuck http://www.ultrawave.com/rose/ Miracles DO Happen, Take One From AgentOF at AOL.COM Mon Dec 1 19:27:15 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:27:15 -0500 Subject: BOC: New Releases Message-ID: Theo, I'll let others comment on the sound, but I'll state a few facts on the Video. The sound is a George Geranios mix, pure and simple, nothing done to it, except taking out when Danny said "Fuck You" after Reaper:-) The Audio will not come out until after the Wheel, so we can (Hope?:-) include Harvest Moon, Live For Me, and the premier of Real World. Buck also needs to fix the vocal on Astronomy, although the two minute solo is included on the video. I Fought the Law is also a possibility, pending talks with the label that carries Bobby Fuller Four (DEL-FI). I've heard a little of Buck's mix on the concert and they will be different. I liken it to having some "Red Box" stuff from Bolle's. Both will be great. chuck http://www.ultrawave.com/rose/ Miracles DO Happen, Take One From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Dec 1 19:37:28 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:37:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: On tis 2 dec 1997 00.16 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > Postscript to BOC once being shocking - now they're a gag on "I'm Alan > Partridge"... I await Alan Partridge's announcement that he'd like "to do it do your daughter on a dirt road ..." :) Cheers, Carl ObTrack: "Stay Clean", Motorhead -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 1 19:53:31 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:53:31 GMT Subject: OFF: the truth is out there In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:13:29 +0000 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > On m?n 1 dec 1997 18.34 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" wrote: > > I think that society has simply gotten used to more foul language. > > Blame WWII. The word 'fuck' was virtually unknown before the war, > > but got learned by all the draftees who dutifully brought it into > > society in general... > > Profanity comes and goes (so to speak). "Fuck" is not exactly a > new word. Indeed most of the common "swear words" are of old and > distinguished lineage. For example, the vulgar vernacular word > denoting "posterior" can be traced to a proto-Indo-European root > "ors-", perhaps 6000 years old, meaning "arse". > > You want some real earthiness in the "recent" past (for English- > speakers), head for the Elizabethan period :) > Profanity, so my understanding goes, is explicit use of something considered socially unacceptable by that particular society. So in a future world where, say, use of gene manipulation was socially required to produce medically perfect children then to call someone a "bleeder" meaning a haemophiliac would be considered the worst possible profanity. Profanity even differs among cultures today. You can grossly insult someone from another country by actions or words considered quite normal here! Apart from that Chaucer had a few profanities to offer in his Canterbury Tales stories and I'm sure I remember Beowulf being a tad rude to both the dragon, and Grendal not to mention Grendal's Mum - poor lady. slainte jill > DrinkFeckArseGirls, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Dec 1 20:21:33 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 01:21:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: On tis 2 dec 1997 00.53 +0000 "J Strobridge" wrote: > Apart from that Chaucer had a few profanities to offer in his > Canterbury Tales stories and I'm sure I remember Beowulf being a > tad rude to both the dragon, and Grendal not to mention Grendal's > Mum - poor lady. All depends on whether one considers involuntary death and dismemberment impolite or not :) At least 'Wulf didn't use any obscenities (alliterative or not!) :) :) :) wassail, Carl ObTrack: "Love You to Death", Type O Negative -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Mon Dec 1 20:27:24 1997 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:27:24 -0800 Subject: HAPPY B-DAY, ERIC!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My B-day too, so when December 1, 1998 rolls around, I'll be exactly half his age (27 vs. 54). Hmmm... perhaps I should be frightened... -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, jean l delacour wrote: > BOC-L; > > Just wanted to remind you folks that today is Eric Bloom's birthday. > He is now 53. Thanks for your time.....God bless > > Manuel > From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Mon Dec 1 20:18:56 1997 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:18:56 -0800 Subject: Darxtar Message-ID: Christmas has come early, after months of searching I finally scored the Darxtar Darker CD. 8^))) John From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Dec 1 22:27:59 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:27:59 -0800 Subject: OFF: Lothar & Early Synth Stuff Message-ID: RE: Lothar & The Hand People "Lothar" was the Theremin (an early electronic device that was played by waving ones' hands near two antennas. Still in production and fairly cheap in kit form, under $300, I think. Bob Moog built 'em before getting into synthesizers and his current company, Big Briar, still offers a Theremin kit. There is a MIDI version in the works / available. The Theremin can be heard on a number of new releases, J-M Jarres' new one and thEXCELLENT new one from Djam Karet, "The Devouring".) L&tHP did use a Moog, if i remember the LP credits correctly. I don't know if this has been released on CD yet. Also, the T.O.N.T.O.'s Expanding Head Band release "Zero Time" was released on CD last year, with almost a whole 'nother LP's worth of unreleased music. T.O.N.T.O. was a big mofong-o polyphonic synth, but I think that it was all custom modules, not a Moog project (I do realize that there are people who use the term "Moog" & "synthesizer" interchangeably, but you wouldn't call a Ford a Chevy now, woodja?) BTW, T.O.N.T.O. stands for The Original New Timbral Orchestra (just found the CD!) and it was the first multi-timbral polyphonic analogue synthesizer (and is still the largest!!) The synth was built by Malcolm Cecil and Robert Margouleff. It was used by a number of mainstream artists and was a great influence on black pop music via Stevie Wonders' extensive use of the beastie. If you want a copy of the CD, here's the poop: TONTO's Expanding Head Band / TONTO RIDES AGAIN / Viceroy Vintage VIN6036. While it is not as heavy as most HawkFans would like, I think that a number of you would get a kick out of it, as it is quite spacey in places... NP: heh, you guessed it..... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Dec 1 22:55:22 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:55:22 -0500 Subject: BOC...More Imaginos./tBS gigs Message-ID: I'm finding this discussion interesting. >>>Of course, all of this discussion assumes that Al even wants to do >>>this. I have a feeling that Al has pretty much closed the book on >>>*Imaginos*. The Book of BOC is very different than the Book of Imaginos. One is closed. The other is not. OK I'll admit I'm frustrated by that lack of completion with Imaginos. I'd hoped it'd be something more. Most days I'm torn with moving on or trying somehow to complete it. My vision for what the next act would be in the Imaginos cycle does not really fit with what I think the best move for the next tBS album should be. Of course whose to say I can't work on both simultaneously? That's what I did before. Anyway I guess you can tell I've been busy. The orders for the new Cellsum stuff is overwhelming (I hope we have enough CDs). New developments are happening every day for the band. We're planning some cool stuff for the future and we have some immediate gigs to prepare for. This Saturday we're playing at Meow Mix in NYC, 269 E. Houston St., (Ave. A & B) 212-254-0688 9:30 PM sharp $5 18 w/ID spread the word. Al From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Dec 1 23:46:14 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:46:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: Snow Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-01 00:38:16 EST, you write: << That's good to know. Is it possible to e-mail some cybersnow to you? Someone else already did so, thanks! :-) >> Though, there's no snow here in Kalmar (in the south of Sweden) yet (thank god!) but they do have snow in Stockholm. I hope it will stay there for the rest of the winter. Y'know, I sometimes wonder why more people don't love snow... SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Dec 2 00:06:37 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:06:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Snow Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-01 09:16:20 EST, you write: << Dang, a bit chilly, It's around 72F (22C) outside this morning. Much colder than yesteray. Nope, no snow in sight yet. Andrew West Palm Beach >> But, see, if I had a couple of feet of snow here right now I wouldn't trade places with you for the world! :-) SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Dec 2 00:12:17 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:12:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Snow Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-01 11:12:01 EST, you write: << Remember the Bizzard(s) of '93? I was able to stand on a snowbank and grab the rim of my baskeball hoop in my driveway! I'm 5' 7" tall... Now _that's_ snow! >> Ahhh, the good old days...:-) SET From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Dec 2 00:38:06 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:38:06 +1100 Subject: Off: Metal/heavy survey Message-ID: Hey Guys/gals, I just noticed that BOC and HW are not faring as they should on this survey. Well, here is the URL- http://www.ideal.net.au/~crowley/metalsurvey/index.html You know the rest! Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Dec 2 03:08:41 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 03:08:41 -0500 Subject: BOC...More Imaginos...Flip Sake! Message-ID: Jason wrote: > Didn't Albert say in giving the list of tunes for the other 2 lps in the > Imaginos trilogy that he never plans on working w/ Sandy again? (or > something to that effect?) I don't know about this quote (or about Albert's feelings), but I certainly hope it is true. I remain unconvinced of Pearlman's divinity, and feel that anyone as touched by mystic fire as he clearly would like us to believe would at least be blessed with the ability to communicate in sentences that could be parsed. Pearlman's later lyrics for BOC were bad enough that they caused me to reevaluate my impressions of his earlier ones, as well. I think there is some very effective imagery, and also a lot of awkward, ill-structured lyrics that sabotaged songs and were all but impossible to sing. Anyone remember the potshot about the first album to the effect of "why does Eric Bloom sound like he's singing from cue cards?"? Bloom's technical limitations as a vocalist were not solely to blame; as has been noted, he was trying to get a handle on songs without vocal hooks. Hearing the "Rockline" show (with Buck, Eric and Pearlman) at the time of the Imaginos release was a stunner -- the sheer condescension and contempt he showed to practically every caller was stomach-churning. Bad vibe, bad P.R. It goes without saying that his career and that of BOC's were inextricably linked. He seems to have been a hell of a promoter, and that his motives were self-aggrandizing goes with the impresario territory, and probably worked in BOC's favor, as he had more at stake (i.e., the myth of himself that he was creating). His studio skills can be judged from the early LP's, which remain my favorites in spite of their sonic qualities. As far as his philosophical pronouncements go -- well, Barnum was a philosopher of sorts too, and that's the lineage I see him deriving from. At least Barnum didn't dress his avarice in a cloak of piss-elegant, ersatz profundity. -Chris Baker From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Dec 2 03:21:06 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 01:21:06 -0700 Subject: HAPPY B-DAY, ERIC!! Message-ID: P Worley wrote: > My B-day too, so when December 1, 1998 rolls around, I'll be exactly half > his age (27 vs. 54). Happy Birthday!!Mines coming up too-Dec. 14th!! Rock on, Pam > > > Hmmm... perhaps I should be frightened... > > -- > Peter William Worley > inhaler at u.washington.edu > > On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, jean l delacour wrote: > > > BOC-L; > > > > Just wanted to remind you folks that today is Eric Bloom's birthday. > > He is now 53. Thanks for your time.....God bless > > > > Manuel > > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Hello-- Please let's drop the "truth is out there" thread. I know it's my fault for turning it into a thread (by responding to some sappy comments about Satanism in rock), but I'd really like to see it die. If anyone wants to verbally beat on me, PLEASE email me directly. You can even use my new email address. It's nycademon at earthlink.net. Y'all should find that amusing. :-) BTW, I like _Distant Horizons_ a lot. I think it's heavier, and I think it is like, and unlike, the Hawkwind of the past. I've ordered the _1999 Party_ album--lookin' forward to it. :-) Guido P.S.--Hey Alex--I never said nuthin' about God, now did I? P.P.S.--Hey Paul--When will your Discman be functioning again? :-) obCDplayer--_The Night Watch_ by King Crimson -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Dec 2 03:33:18 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 01:33:18 -0700 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > On m?n 1 dec 1997 22.50 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > > Part of rock'n'roll's *purpose* is to shock and disgust the older > > generation. Blue Oyster Cult were considered shocking and degenerate by > > many old farts in the '70s. > > So you're shocked and disgusted by Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson. You > > must be over thirty. > > Don't trust anyone over thirty (man). At least, not until I make it there... Hey-that's not nice-I'll be 36 in approx. 2 weeks:) I think Marylin Manson & NIN are rather silly-seems to me that they're out to do nothing but shock-and that's all. where's the value in that? It won't really stand the test of time-and to me, that's what counts.:)Rock on! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Here's some more infor about the King Biscuit Flower Hour release. Bolle posted this information this morning on alt.music.blueoysterult: Bolle says: >>Well, I wasn't going to tell anybody about this until next year when timing would have been more appropriate for some news, but as is in life, somebody always jumps the gun and so that leaves a bit of weirdness into this again... So...The release slated for January is by The King Bisquit Flower Hour company and will be a compilation of a bunch of odd show tunes that the band performed while being broadcast back in the 70s on the air as a part of the KBFH shows... this occured on 7 times... a magical Cult digit in deed... so, from 1975 through 1986 there were a bunch of great tapes being recorded and some rare tracks were exposed to live performances during these shows and some of this stuff will appear on this CD. There could have been twice as many tracks, and a double CD would have been necessary, However the master tapes are in the hands of SONY and to get this brought forward and mixed for this release would be soo expensive, we might as well pay the band to do another new record... so instead we're left with a still more than fair selection of choice for this record. Don't expect the Big three again because KBFH is not in the biz to make you buy yet another version of these songs but rather to give you the insight of a creative BOC, who over the years performed some great Live tunes, that we just never ever got on any of our live albums before.... and I do believe this release will just simply flatten the ETL platter into dust in many serious BOC fans perspectives of Live stuff from BOC. I know the actual potential of the realistic scenes from the looks at those concerts and the material that went down for these tapes, but unfortunately we'll only see half of that great stuff due to the sheer cost of bringing out dusty reels for remixes etc. so still, for what it's worth... we're gonna get quite the treat for the new year while we're still waiting for the Ezekiel's Wheel... not only this but also. Mobile Fidelity has done a Mastersound on Agents Of Fortune, so expect a CD Gold Disc of AOF around the same time... The Starry Wisdom BOLLE_!_?<< From AgentOF at AOL.COM Tue Dec 2 03:52:11 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 03:52:11 -0500 Subject: BOC: New Releases Message-ID: infor? blueoysterult? sheez! I better go back to bed:-) And I even fixed Bolle's typo. chuck http://www.ultrawave.com/rose/ Miracles DO Happen, Take One From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 2 05:00:02 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:00:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ape! In-Reply-To: <690606.3090008486@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <690606.3090008486 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, "Carl E. Anderson" writes >Cheers, >Carl > >ObFilm: _Planet of the Apes_ If you're ever round our way, remind me to show you my ape memorabelia. I've only got one of the action figures......can't get 'em anywhere, a few 8 x 10's, lobby packs, half a dozen "ape" t-shirts, p/backs. Stocking up for the big ape revival, yup! -- Jon ObLaw : Ape Shall Not Harm Ape From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Dec 1 17:40:34 1997 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:40:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: Snow Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > > At 09:16 01.12.97 -0500, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >Lemme check outside. Dang, a bit chilly, It's around 72F (22C) outside this > >morning. Much colder than yesteray. Nope, no snow in sight yet. > > You people deserve a high crime rate! > > Christian > > NP: Moby Grape "Vintage" Indeed. Snowing in West Ham last night. The theory just doesn't work round our way... Cheers, Rich. ObCD: Eno Collaboration EP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 2 04:57:54 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:57:54 +0000 Subject: OFF: Swearing In-Reply-To: <794244.3090010409@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <794244.3090010409 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, "Carl E. Anderson" writes > You want some real earthiness in the "recent" past (for English-speakers), >head for the Elizabethan period :) > >DrinkFeckArseGirls, >Carl Champion historical swearer has to be The Marquis De Sade. BTW Did anyone see the Viz Profanisaurus last week? Enlightening. Included some Austarlian expressions such as "mapatasi" (Map Of Tasmania), I've not encountered before. Noun's such as "Kojak's roll- neck" or "chocolate starfish" or verbs such as the vile and non-specific sexual act, the "Belgian biscuit" pizzle -- Jon From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 06:09:53 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:09:53 GMT Subject: OFF: Anglo Saxon attitudes In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Tue, 2 Dec 1997 01:21:33 +0000 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > On tis 2 dec 1997 00.53 +0000 "J Strobridge" > wrote: > > Apart from that Chaucer had a few profanities to offer in his > > Canterbury Tales stories and I'm sure I remember Beowulf being a > > tad rude to both the dragon, and Grendal not to mention Grendal's > > Mum - poor lady. > > All depends on whether one considers involuntary death and > dismemberment impolite or not :) At least 'Wulf didn't use any > obscenities (alliterative or not!) :) :) :) I know I speak to an expert here and I definitely respect that(!) but do we actually know what an Anglo Saxon obscenity was? After all words like "greedy" "proud" and "kin-slayer" may not mean much to us today but back then the use or even the suggestion alone might have been enough to get you killed on the spot! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 2 06:43:32 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 03:43:32 PST Subject: HAPPY B-DAY, ERIC!! Message-ID: >Just wanted to remind you folks that today is Eric Bloom's birthday. >He is now 53. Thanks for your time.....God bless > >Manuel > Y'know, I think not!!! I think he may only be 43. Chris. -- The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society - http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Dec 2 07:31:18 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:31:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: Snow Message-ID: Talking about snow: Take a look at this site: http://bocken.macdata.se/ It's the (in)famous Julbock in Gaevle, Sweden. It's 12 meters tall and made of straw. Last year was the first year (since the '60s - back then it endured two winters ) the Julbock survived the whole winter, it usually is set on fire by some local Julbock-terrorists. But authorities never gives up... every year they construct a new Julbock ... which they hope will last the attacks. The police is guarding the square, and the bock is impregnated with some "anti-fire" chemicals. But, as I said, it has last only one winter. I hope it will burn this winter! It's such a nice tradition, that shouldn't be broken. And I love the possibility to watch it burn live on the Net! - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Dec 2 07:41:28 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:41:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Anglo Saxon attitudes Message-ID: jill: >I know I speak to an expert here and I definitely respect that(!) but >do we actually know what an Anglo Saxon obscenity was? After all >words like "greedy" "proud" and "kin-slayer" may not mean much to us >today but back then the use or even the suggestion alone might have >been enough to get you killed on the spot! Reminds me of something: The Swedish word "fitta", which now is an obscenity for vagina, used to mean "little well" (AFAK). A rather beautiful description of the female sex organ that has become vulgar in modern days. - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 07:50:08 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:50:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: On tis 2 dec 1997 01.33 -0700 "Cliff and Pam Wheaton" wrote: > I think Marylin Manson & NIN are > rather silly-seems to me that they're out to do nothing but shock-and that's > all. where's the value in that? It won't really stand the test of time-and to > me, that's what counts.:) Rock on! Well, they shan't stand the test of time in my album collection, since I haven't got any :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 08:01:15 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:01:15 +0000 Subject: BOC...More Imaginos./tBS gigs Message-ID: On m?n 1 dec 1997 22.55 -0500 "Albert T Bouchard" wrote: > The Book of BOC is very different than the Book of Imaginos. One is closed. > The other is not. OK I'll admit I'm frustrated by that lack of completion > with Imaginos. I'd hoped it'd be something more. Most days I'm torn with > moving on or trying somehow to complete it. My vision for what the next act > would be in the Imaginos cycle does not really fit with what I think the > best move for the next tBS album should be. I agree. And furthermore, IMO, Imaginos will keep. No point in rushing into it. I don't see why tBS can't touch on Imaginos, skirt around it--rather like BOC did at times. But Imaginos doesn't seem like a project for any one _band_, rather a random access musical project. If a second Imaginos album were to come out, I think it would be better if it was made by a consortium of musicians rather than a touring ensemble. That's closer (whether by accident or design) to how the original one happened and (musically if not commericially) it worked quite well. > Anyway I guess you can tell I've been busy. The orders for the new Cellsum > stuff is overwhelming (I hope we have enough CDs). New developments are > happening every day for the band. We're planning some cool stuff for the > future and we have some immediate gigs to prepare for. Boston, Boston, Boston .... :) Not that a gig will get set there in the next month though, I suppose. I still smart from being snowed away from the January 96 NYC gig ... > This Saturday we're playing at Meow Mix in NYC, 269 E. Houston St., (Ave. A > & B) 212-254-0688 9:30 PM sharp $5 18 w/ID spread the word. Will they be showing _Xena_ first? :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 2 06:56:40 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 07:56:40 -0400 Subject: OFF: Snow In-Reply-To: <971202001216_-1993918041@mrin43.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: > From: Steven Tice > In a message dated 97-12-01 11:12:01 EST, you write: > > << Remember the Bizzard(s) of '93? I was able to > stand on a snowbank and grab the rim of my baskeball > hoop in my driveway! I'm 5' 7" tall... Now _that's_ snow! >> > > Ahhh, the good old days...:-) > > SET Brian and I are from the same hometown, so the bullshit, and the snow, can get pretty deep. That winter, they actually closed the office and let us go home. It took me 2-1/2 hours to drive 5 miles to get home that day, 2 of them to go about the first mile and a half! Eventually, the snow in my back yard approached 6 feet in depth... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 08:08:47 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:08:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ape! Message-ID: On tis 2 dec 1997 10.00 +0000 "Jon Browne" wrote: > In article <690606.3090008486 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, "Carl E. Anderson" > writes >>ObFilm: _Planet of the Apes_ > > If you're ever round our way, remind me to show you my ape memorabelia. > I've only got one of the action figures......can't get 'em anywhere, a > few 8 x 10's, lobby packs, half a dozen "ape" t-shirts, p/backs. > Stocking up for the big ape revival, yup! Well, you'll have to remind where you, which spiral arm of the London tube leads your way, etc. I keep meaning to get out there sometime ... Cheers. Carl ObApeTrack: "Urko's Conquest", Cathedral -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 2 07:05:24 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:05:24 EDT Subject: OFF: the truth is out there In-Reply-To: <1039907.3090014493@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: "Carl E. Anderson" > On tis 2 dec 1997 00.53 +0000 "J Strobridge" > wrote: > > Apart from that Chaucer had a few profanities to offer in his > > Canterbury Tales stories and I'm sure I remember Beowulf being a > > tad rude to both the dragon, and Grendal not to mention Grendal's > > Mum - poor lady. > > All depends on whether one considers involuntary death and > dismemberment impolite or not :) At least 'Wulf didn't use any > obscenities (alliterative or not!) :) :) :) > > wassail, > Carl While Chaucer didn't use so many out-and-out obscenities, he did devote a considerable segment of the Canterbury tales to rather earthy material. The Miller's tale[I think?] is about farting in a squeamish guy's face. The Wife of Bath discusses the relative bedroom performance of several of her lovers, another one is about seducing some old fart's young wife. I can't believe it wasn't banned in Boston! theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 2 07:10:45 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:10:45 EDT Subject: OFF: the truth is out there In-Reply-To: <199712020053.AAA10633@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: J Strobridge > Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > On m_n 1 dec 1997 18.34 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" wrote: > > > I think that society has simply gotten used to more foul language. > > > Blame WWII. The word 'fuck' was virtually unknown before the war, > > > but got learned by all the draftees who dutifully brought it into > > > society in general... > > > > Profanity comes and goes (so to speak). "Fuck" is not exactly a > > new word. Indeed most of the common "swear words" are of old and Never said it was. But it was relatively unknown throughout society til after the war. I was suggesting that because so many men who would otherwise not have been exposed to wholesale profanity, were, through military service in the war, that they then brought a lot of profanity back to the 'real' world with them when they left the service. That, and the horrors of war worked together to make a lot of people less sensitive to profanity... > > distinguished lineage. For example, the vulgar vernacular word > > denoting "posterior" can be traced to a proto-Indo-European root > > "ors-", perhaps 6000 years old, meaning "arse". > > > > You want some real earthiness in the "recent" past (for English- > > speakers), head for the Elizabethan period :) > > > > Profanity, so my understanding goes, is explicit use of something > considered socially unacceptable by that particular society. So in a > future world where, say, use of gene manipulation was socially required > to produce medically perfect children then to call someone a "bleeder" > meaning a haemophiliac would be considered the worst possible profanity. > > Profanity even differs among cultures today. You can grossly insult > someone from another country by actions or words considered quite normal > here! > Sure! And don't forget body language. There are gestures deemed obscene in other cultures that Americans perform all the time, and vice versa... > theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 08:12:24 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:12:24 GMT Subject: OFF: the truth is out there In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6's message of Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:05:24 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 writes: > While Chaucer didn't use so many out-and-out obscenities, he did > devote a considerable segment of the Canterbury tales to rather > earthy material. The Miller's tale[I think?] is about farting in a > squeamish guy's face. The Wife of Bath discusses the relative Actually the poor guy has been conned into thinking this is some beautiful woman who has put her face out of the window to be kissed by him - sadly he's wrong! > bedroom performance of several of her lovers, another one is about > seducing some old fart's young wife. I can't believe it wasn't > banned in Boston! mine was censored with little *******s at the appropriate bits. jill > "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." > v.vega > ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 2 08:28:59 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:28:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: >Part of rock'n'roll's *purpose* is to shock and disgust the older generation. Well, some may believe that, but that never was it for me. Rock and roll is/was/will_always_be about music, and I always saw it as geared toward what the "younger generation" (no longer being a card-carrying member myself, unfortunately) could identify with. Sure, there's an aspect of "rebellion" in that - kids and their parents will probably to some extent always have trouble relating to eachother on some level (that good old generation gap), but "shock" and "disgust"?? I dunno. I mean, hey, I grew up on a heavy diet of KISS, but it was never about trying to disgust my parents (yeah, my mom wasn't exactly thrilled with Gene Simmons' blood-puking routine) - I mean it was a circus to me, and despite the images, I spent hours holed up in my room *listening* to the albums, so the connection was still more musical than visual. But, I didn't do it to either shock or disgust, or even rebel for that matter, against anyone. But, I certainly agree that there's a rebel aspect to rock - and if you've got to go one level lower than your parents did, well, then the fact that bands like Marilyn Manson exist don't surprise me. Quite frankly, I have little to say about MM since I've basically ignored them so I can't speak to their talent (or lack thereof). I don't particularly like the anti- Christian message/image from the little I see of them, but I suppose if do my job as a parent I shouldn't have to worry (I hope) about a world where such messages seem to becoming more and more prevalent. And you can bet my daughters will at least hear lots of BOC (whether they like it or not - LOL). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 2 08:31:51 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:31:51 -0500 Subject: BOC...More Imaginos...Flip Sake! Message-ID: >Didn't Albert say in giving the list of tunes for the other 2 lps in the Imaginos trilogy that he never plans on working w/ Sandy again? (or something to that effect?) (it's in the FAQ I think) Yes he did and it is in there (and thinking about it, perhaps I should delete that comment - but I digress). Whether Albert has a different opinion of that these days or not I don't know - I think if Sandy would be willing to allow Albert to use his lyrics (and if he credited him for that), I don't think Albert would need to really "work with" Sandy anymore. But, that again is my speculation. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 2 08:36:40 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:36:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: > Don't trust anyone over thirty (man). At least, not until I make it there. .. Cheers, Carl ObFilm: _Planet of the Apes_ GEEZ Carl - you and must have some sort of psychic link between the two of us. I used to be a huge PotA fan as a kid, and just this past weekend watched a tape of the original movie - and Charlton Heston made that quote about not trusting anyone over 30. Oh this is weird . . . John ObCD: Metallica, "Bleeding Me" From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 08:42:38 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:42:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: Anglo Saxon attitudes Message-ID: On tis 2 dec 1997 11.09 +0000 "J Strobridge" wrote: > I know I speak to an expert here and I definitely respect that(!) but > do we actually know what an Anglo Saxon obscenity was? After all > words like "greedy" "proud" and "kin-slayer" may not mean much to us > today but back then the use or even the suggestion alone might have > been enough to get you killed on the spot! Well, there's considerable literature on insults etc. in Old Norse--dunno about Old English. Though about a year ago the OE email list tried to work out some obscenities and had trouble, since such things as we understand them didn't begin to appear until later in English (as far as anyone can tell). The _words_ existed, but didn't have their current taboo qualities .... Now we're _really_ getting Off Topic :) ObTrack: "Sweet Mistress of Pain", Hawkwind -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Tue Dec 2 07:47:29 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:47:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: Snow Message-ID: Daniel wrote about the (in)famous Julbock in Gaevle, Sweden: Al writes: >OK I'll admit I'm frustrated by that lack of completion with Imaginos. I'd hoped it'd be something more. Knowing what we know about what still remains, I think most of would agree. >My vision for what the next act would be in the Imaginos cycle does not really fit with what I think the best move for the next tBS album should be. Well, do what you feel is best, but I would never want you to cut back on the work tBS is doing. What is past is past - if there's time and desire to address Imaginos, that would be very cool, but I hope not at the expense of all of your other future plans. >Of course whose to say I can't work on both simultaneously? That's what I did before. I won't discourage you... ;-) Hey, it's a good thing when you've got more to do than time to do it, as oppossed to the other way around. >We're planning some cool stuff for the future and we have some immediate gigs to prepare for. (psst . . . Boston . . .) ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 2 08:49:01 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:49:01 -0500 Subject: BOC...More Imaginos...Flip Sake! Message-ID: Chris has some interesting comments about Sandy Pearlman - I'll have to go back and listen to that Rockline interview (I think I have part of it anyway). I've got two interviews from publications (a fairly recent one from Seconds magazine in particular) where I draw the conclusion that the guy thinks he's practically responsible for the popularity of modern music or something. Sometime perhaps I'll be motivated to share some quotes from those interviews. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 2 08:56:41 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:56:41 -0500 Subject: BOC...More Imaginos./tBS gigs Message-ID: > I don't see why tBS can't touch on Imaginos, skirt around it--rather like B OC did at times. Or how tBS has managed to work some classics into their albums... (I still recall how blown away I was the first time I heard "Overture" on BoH - totally unexpected!) > Boston, Boston, Boston .... There you go again Carl! ;-) John ObApeQuote: "Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn" From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 2 08:51:51 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 07:51:51 -0600 Subject: More Imaginos Message-ID: JS>O.K., now you went too far! ;-) >Well, you can have your opinions on which concept album is best (and I >certainly am a big fan of *Dead Winter Dead*). The biggest problem with >*Imaginos* as a concept album, IMHO, is that because it was not " >"complete", and because the songs aren't really in the right order (I >still say "Random Access History" is a fabricated myth to explain the >bad sequence on the final product), it can be confusing to follow the >"story" (o.k., we educated fans know what's going on, but to the >uninitiated, do they really hear these songs as all part of a complete >story? My guess is no). Oh no John nothing as deep as that, my thinking is far more shallow. I'm talking strictly "listen-a-bility" here. Imaginos as released by Columbia rocks no question, it could have sounded lots better though if there were a real commitment by those other than Al to make it a monster album. Nothing wrong with the concept, the original play order (I prefer the suggested order of the liner notes) or anything like that I just believe Imaginos could have sounded lots better than it did. Clarifying the re-make issue, again if there was a real commitment by others to this project and we had gotten the full version what we have in our collections would have been different. I'm assuming it would have been even better. I know Al has chimed in the last day or so but I do recall way long ago I asked him directly about a desire to take Imaginos to the stage and his reply was something akin to "in a New York minute." Yeah this is all in the realm of desires at this point but admit it this is some of the best BOC related stuff on this list in a loooooong time. lil ab OBCD- Imaginos "Home is where you can scratch the unthinkable parts and not worry about it." From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 09:04:08 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:04:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: On tis 2 dec 1997 08.36 -0500 "John A Swartz" wrote: > GEEZ Carl - you and must have some sort of psychic link between the two > of us. I used to be a huge PotA fan as a kid, and just this past weekend > watched a tape of the original movie - and Charlton Heston made that quote > about not trusting anyone over 30. > Oh this is weird . . . Well, Channel 4 in the UK just showed it on Sunday, and I couldn't resist implying a link :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Tue Dec 2 09:02:50 1997 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:02:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lothar & Early Synth Stuff Message-ID: >From: Craig Shipley >RE: Lothar & The Hand People >"Lothar" was the Theremin (an early electronic device that was played by >waving ones' hands near two antennas. Still in production and fairly cheap >in kit form, under $300, I think. Bob Moog built 'em before getting into >synthesizers and his current company, Big Briar, still offers a Theremin >kit. There is a MIDI version in the works / available. The Theremin can be >heard on a number of new releases, J-M Jarres' new one and thEXCELLENT >new one from Djam Karet, "The Devouring".) L&tHP did use a Moog, if i remember >the LP credits correctly. I don't know if this has been released on CD yet. The MIDI Theremin (called the Ethervox) is now available from Big Briar. I got a demonstration of a prototype from Bob Moog at the Portland Theremin Festival this past June and there is a design "feature" that will probably turn into a marketing problem: the Ethervox sends out a continous middle-C with all other notes being sent as pitch bend data. That makes sense from the Theremin's point of view, but it means the controller works best with synthesizer modules. Sample playback units will sound like varispeed recordings. Even with synthesizer modules, percussive voices will not sound "realistic": the Theremin is *not* a percussive instrument. But with a synthesizer module and a little thought put into voice selection, the results are pretty cool. (-8 There are two Lothar & The Hand People CDs available. One Way Records has released the reissued version of the first LP _Presenting_. (The reissue dropped "The Woody Woodpecker Song", presumably at Warner Brothers insistence.) There is also an English compilation called _Machines_ that has a good selection from both albums. >Also, the T.O.N.T.O.'s Expanding Head Band release "Zero Time" was released >on CD last year, with almost a whole 'nother LP's worth of unreleased music. >T.O.N.T.O. was a big mofong-o polyphonic synth, but I think that it was all >custom modules, not a Moog project (I do realize that there are people who >use the term "Moog" & "synthesizer" interchangeably, but you wouldn't call a >Ford a Chevy now, woodja?) BTW, T.O.N.T.O. stands for The Original New >Timbral Orchestra (just found the CD!) and it was the first multi-timbral >polyphonic analogue synthesizer (and is still the largest!!) The synth was >built by Malcolm Cecil and Robert Margouleff. It was used by a number of >mainstream artists and was a great influence on black pop music via Stevie >Wonders' extensive use of the beastie. If you want a copy of the CD, here's >the poop: >TONTO's Expanding Head Band / TONTO RIDES AGAIN / Viceroy Vintage VIN6036. If you want a copy of the CD check your local used music sources. The CD is already out of print. At least that's what Tower and Wherehouse tell me. If you want to see (but not hear) TONTO, rent _Phantom of the Paradise_ at your local video store; the studio where Swan awakens Winslow is TONTO. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 09:06:54 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:06:54 +0000 Subject: BOC...More Imaginos./tBS gigs Message-ID: On tis 2 dec 1997 08.56 -0500 "John A Swartz" wrote: >> I don't see why tBS can't touch on Imaginos, skirt around it--rather >> like BOC did at times. > > Or how tBS has managed to work some classics into their albums... (I still > recall how blown away I was the first time I heard "Overture" on BoH - > totally unexpected!) Cappuccino! >> > Boston, Boston, Boston .... > > > There you go again Carl! ;-) Well, if I'm going to see them anywhere these days, it'll be there and over the holidays!! (Boston bound 10 December!) Cheers, Carl ObInstantCappuccino: Lofbergs -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 2 09:01:41 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:01:41 -0600 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: Well the Truth is still out there but none of us can find it to the ultimate satisfaction of everyone else. Sure BOC shocked our parents in the the 70's as Marilyn Manson shocks me today. But this is the nature of the times. Years ago Alfred Hitchcock's Pyscho was considered the scariest movie out there, not necesarrily for what it showed but what people thought they saw. Today we get blasted with f/x and high body counts instead of working the old imagination. Manson, GWAR and the like are simply following the trend of appealing to the lowest common denominator. The real shame of it all is that our children our overloaded with this mega bombardment of negative images. Each and every parent needs to be on guard against this assulat on our children. My kids don't listen to Manson or Gwar becuase THEY have no desire to. They saw footage of GWAR and thought they were clowns. Well grounded kids and I'm proud of them. If you have concerns about the impact of this stuff on your kids talk to them about it, keep the lines of communication open with them. As for me I lump those guys in the categopry of music that just dosen't interest me, its not good or bad. lil ab From uriah at TANGRAM.SPB.RU Tue Dec 2 09:09:43 1997 From: uriah at TANGRAM.SPB.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:09:43 +0300 Subject: OFF:Psych recommendations Message-ID: Chris Warburton wrote: > > At 22:36 27/11/97 +0100, you wrote: > > I think Paragong was an Allen-less brief > >incarnation of Gong who appeared with one track on Virgin's mid-70's "V" > >compilation? > > Definitely not: there may have been a Gong track on "V" (probably was) but > definitely not Paragong. The Gong track would have been from the "teapot" > trilogy, or an ottake therefrom. > > I will brook no disapute on this ( *g* ). I spent too much time after > school ('73/'74/'75 academic years) listening to "V" and the other Virgin > stuff of the time ( & Henry Cow stilll rool!) to misremember > this... > Paragong came along later, probably post Shamal/Gazeuse period - or > even as a response to those.... I think Paragong is from 73 (or 74) band that was Gong touring without Allen when latter went to Australia for the short time. -- Yury Elik, Tangram Ltd, St.Petersburg From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Dec 2 09:14:15 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 01:14:15 +1100 Subject: BOC...More Imaginos...Flip Sake! Message-ID: At 08:49 AM 2/12/97 -0500, John A Swartz wrote: >Chris has some interesting comments about Sandy Pearlman - I'll have to go >back and listen to that Rockline interview (I think I have part of it >anyway). I've got two interviews from publications (a fairly recent one >from Seconds magazine in particular) where I draw the conclusion that the >guy thinks he's practically responsible for the popularity of modern >music or something. Sometime perhaps I'll be motivated to share some >quotes from those interviews. > >John > Didn't someone once say that SP thought he was "the guy who gives out the leather and chains" in the Heavy Metal world, or words to that effect? He is an enigma, anyway- the only Jew I have heard of who has a Nazi fixation. Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 09:12:03 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:12:03 GMT Subject: OFF: Snow In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6's message of Tue, 2 Dec 1997 07:56:40 -0400 Message-ID: Well, there was easily a snowflake's thick covering of snow on the hills of Edinburgh this morning and a wind coming straight from Santa's place. I'm expecting the usual headline in the UK any day now: "Snow in Winter Shock: Country Grinds to a Halt!" In an unprecedented storm of minimal proportions some of the frozen water known as "snow" fell in much of Britain today covering much of the landscape in the white powder. This was accompanied by a drop in temperatures to as low as freezing. Many reports are coming in of drivers who've skidded of the road and there are hundreds of rear end shunts. "You can't expect people to drive in this!" said one disgruntled driver in Essex "It's nearly a millimetre thick." Shop Stewards for the Gritters Union stated that they had called a strike because their members couldn't possibly be expected to work in these conditions. Trains also ground to a halt. Spokesmen for the various rail companies were unanimous that this was due to "the wrong sort of snow" and demanded an urgent scientific investigation into why the stuff is falling. "It seems to happen around this time every year" one irate rail controller complained. "It's time the government banned it." Not everyone was upset at the new phenomenon though. In Basingstoke, hundreds of schoolchildren were sent home as the school heating collapsed in the sub-arctic temperatures. "We're building a snowman" said Billy, a seven year old computer scientist at Basingstoke Primary, "I'm not giving an interview unless you get me a carrot for his nose." Investigations have also confirmed that snow also fell on the island where Princess Diana is buried. The Royals were asked to comment but had all buggered of to Zermatt for another ski holiday. Meanwhile the new government were walking across the frozen Thames in a bid to emulate Prime Minister Blair's historic walk during the summer. Finally, the weather outlook is for more snow and here's a picture of a snowflake for those of you too stupid to figure out what that means. From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 2 09:05:47 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:05:47 -0600 Subject: BOC on KBFH Message-ID: Noting Bolle's guarded optimism one can only hope that KB does a creditable job with what they have. I bought the KB Triumph concert becuase it had the only live recording of Blinding Lightshow/Moonchild I have been able to find. Give me one rare BOC jewel like that and I'm a happy camper. Hey if they do include one or all of the "big three" thats ok too if the versions they use smoke. lil' ab "Isn't sanity just a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking. But when your good and crazy the sky's the limit." -The Tick OBCD - Heavy Bones (feat. Gary Hoey) From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Dec 2 09:18:53 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:18:53 +0000 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Dec 1997 00:16:07 GMT." <01BCFEB7.9E1CF760.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: > Carl wrote > > > Don't trust anyone over thirty (man). At least, not until I make it > > there... > > Don't tell anyone, but I am too :) > > Postscript to BOC once being shocking - now they're a gag on "I'm Alan > Partridge"... At least they namechecked the correct album for DfTR last night :-) Tim ObCD: Gov't Mule From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 2 08:27:18 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:27:18 EDT Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > Manson, GWAR and the like are simply following the trend of appealing to > the lowest common denominator. The real shame of it all is that our > children our overloaded with this mega bombardment of negative images. > Each and every parent needs to be on guard against this assulat on our > children. My kids don't listen to Manson or Gwar becuase THEY have no > desire to. They saw footage of GWAR and thought they were clowns. Well > grounded kids and I'm proud of them. If you have concerns about the > impact of this stuff on your kids talk to them about it, keep the lines > of communication open with them. > You just said a mouthful there, AB. Look at the kids who dig MM, and look at their homelife. It won't be any surprise why those kids are into shock music. Kids whose parents take a REAL interest in them [and I ain't talking about throwing money at the problem] won't be drawn to it, and they will be able to see it for what it is IF their parents are truly involved in their lives and are being good role models. I'm convinced a lot of kids are attracted to MM et al out of loneliness. They are craving their parents' attention, and hope that the shock music will stir their parents to acting like parents. There are fewer stable home relationships these days: parents working two jobs, overworked single parents etc. It's hard to BE a parent these days--precisely the reason selfish old me isn't a parent. If you don't take responsibility for being a parent, somebody like MM will gladly fill the role for ya... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 2 08:28:22 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:28:22 EDT Subject: BOC...More Imaginos./tBS gigs In-Reply-To: <199712021356.IAA03478@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > > Or how tBS has managed to work some classics into their albums... (I still > recall how blown away I was the first time I heard "Overture" on BoH - > totally unexpected!) > Wait til you see 'em do it live, John! theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 09:33:41 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:33:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: On tis 2 dec 1997 08.01 -0600 "BREVARD, Adrian R." wrote: > Years ago Alfred > Hitchcock's Pyscho was considered the scariest movie out there, not > necesarrily for what it showed but what people thought they saw. Today > we get blasted with f/x and high body counts instead of working the old > imagination. But lots movies with f/x and high body counts are not necessarily intended to be _scary_. I think some of the movies considered, perhaps, scariest in the last decade have had relatively low body counts and f/x .. like _Silence of the Lambs_ and _Seven_. (Both of which I thought were well-made movies, but lacking in the entertainment dept. I'm proudly shallow :) > Manson, GWAR and the like are simply following the trend of appealing to > the lowest common denominator. Like Oasis :) > My kids don't listen to Manson or Gwar becuase THEY have no > desire to. They saw footage of GWAR and thought they were clowns. Well, GWAR _are_ clowns. I thought that was the point? > As for me I lump those guys in the categopry of music that just dosen't > interest me, its not good or bad. Well, likewise, actually. Though I'm glad I've seen videos of GWAR--cultural literacy and all that :) And drier than a concert, as far as I can tell :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM Tue Dec 2 09:27:24 1997 From: Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:27:24 -0600 Subject: off/other: KC's _The Night Watch_? Message-ID: >ObCDplayer--_The Night Watch_ by King Crimson Haven't hear of this one, is this a boot, or a new release? Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. allan.t.grohe.jr at mail.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Dec 2 09:27:06 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:27:06 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:11:51 MST." <34755057.9267CFD9@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: > Hi all! > out of lurk mode again! I was making my usual foray into the music > stores today, got Wolfstone's " Half Tail" (Excellent) and Jon-Luc > Pony's "Cosmic Messenger". My question is-Saw a couple of "Can" Cd's-any > reccomendations here? They also had "Cast"-what are they like? > I had > also seen a "Tear Garden" review on rmp-anyone see that and possibly > remember what the title of the cd was-only 'cause I really like Edward > K-Spell's vocals. any reccommendations there? The new Tear Garden is called "To be an Angel Blind, The Crippled Soul Divide". Whatever. I snagged it cheap in Colorado because I was interested in cevin Key's involvement. I'm listening to it right now, but not knowing any other TG stuff I can't really compare. It's quieter and more conventional than I was expecting (maybe I should have bought the Download CD instead!) I'm glad you said ka-Spell's *vocals*, because it sure isn't singing :-) BTW, Cast (UK) isn't as bad as Andy makes out either !! Tim From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 2 08:30:47 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:30:47 EDT Subject: BOC on KBFH In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > Noting Bolle's guarded optimism one can only hope that KB does a > creditable job with what they have. I bought the KB Triumph concert > becuase it had the only live recording of Blinding Lightshow/Moonchild I > have been able to find. Give me one rare BOC jewel like that and I'm a > happy camper. Hey if they do include one or all of the "big three" > thats ok too if the versions they use smoke. > > lil' ab > Can we say 'Stairway to the Stars?' theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 09:56:34 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:56:34 +0000 Subject: BOC on KBFH Message-ID: On tis 2 dec 1997 09.30 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" wrote: > Can we say 'Stairway to the Stars?' I certainly can! A decently recorded live version of that is _way_ past due.... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Dec 2 09:56:46 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:56:46 -0500 Subject: off/other: KC's _The Night Watch_? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>ObCDplayer--_The Night Watch_ by King Crimson > >Haven't hear of this one, is this a boot, or a new release? > >Allan. Its a 2 CD DGM approved set housing the Concertbugow (spelling is probably wrong here) show which formed the essential parts of the LP _Starless and Bible Black_. For more info, check out the DGM homepage : www.discipline.co.uk (click on the heart). Jason From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Dec 2 10:14:13 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:14:13 -0500 Subject: BOC: Astronomy/Imaginos: the video Message-ID: Speaking of all this cool stuff, I've always wondered about the video that was made for "Astronomy." Just what transgressed in the video that resulted in its banned status? How well made was the video? See with your eyes closed, Jason From micci at SCI.FI Tue Dec 2 10:17:26 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:17:26 +0200 Subject: HW:vinyl addiction Message-ID: Hi! Vinyl Addiction has 2nd hand hawkwind items to sell, like three diffrent t-shirt. email: 101325.1414 at compuserve.com web: http://www.polkaville.com/vinyl/ Watch out their prices! Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Dec 2 10:26:17 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:26:17 +0800 Subject: A Plea . . . Message-ID: > BTW, I like _Distant Horizons_ a lot. I think it's heavier, and I >think it is like, and unlike, the Hawkwind of the past. I've ordered the >_1999 Party_ album--lookin' forward to it. :-) > It's grown on me a lot since first hearing it. In many ways I think there is a lot more variety in the music than there has been in recent years. I don't know if they've decided on a single yet. I'd suggest Wheels, 'cos it seems to have a bit of everything in it, without going away from the HW sound (whatever it may be?). It's even danceable! William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Dec 2 10:32:37 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:32:37 +0800 Subject: OFF: Swearing Message-ID: I've always wondered about when certain swear words may have actually come in to use. For instance, whether the 'f' word was actually used during the time of William Wallace, or was it just added to the movie dialogue to make its use more colourful? I suspect the latter. Anyone came across any articles on the history of swear words? William From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 2 10:48:40 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:48:40 -0500 Subject: BOC on KBFH Message-ID: > Can we say 'Stairway to the Stars?' I certainly can! A decently recorded live version of that is _way_ past due.... And, as I recall, there are a few smoking versions from the King Biscuit shows. I wouldn't be surprised if Bolle is plugging this one as well. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 2 10:52:22 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:52:22 -0500 Subject: More Imaginos Message-ID: >Yeah this is all in the realm of desires at this point but admit it this is some of the best BOC related stuff on this list in a loooooong time. What, are you longing for the "good old days"? You're not just an old fart, you're a "BOC-L old fart" ;-) LMAO. Seriously, this is a rather interesting topic that has lots of various tangents. John PS: On a somewhat related note, have you heard about Savatage's upcoming release (it's out in Europe and Japan) - *The Wake of Magellan*? It's another concept album, and I've heard musically it's in the same vein as *Dead Winter Dead*. Might be another CD I have to buy in January... From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Dec 2 10:46:00 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:46:00 +0800 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: >Sure BOC shocked our parents in the the 70's as Marilyn Manson shocks me >today. But this is the nature of the times. Years ago Alfred >Hitchcock's Pyscho was considered the scariest movie out there, not >necesarrily for what it showed but what people thought they saw. Today >we get blasted with f/x and high body counts instead of working the old >imagination. > >Manson, GWAR and the like are simply following the trend of appealing to >the lowest common denominator. The real shame of it all is that our >children our overloaded with this mega bombardment of negative images. >Each and every parent needs to be on guard against this assulat on our >children. My kids don't listen to Manson or Gwar becuase THEY have no >desire to. They saw footage of GWAR and thought they were clowns. Well >grounded kids and I'm proud of them. If you have concerns about the >impact of this stuff on your kids talk to them about it, keep the lines >of communication open with them. > >As for me I lump those guys in the categopry of music that just dosen't >interest me, its not good or bad. > I saw an interview with Christopher Lee today, in which he spoke about the differences between the Hammer films and today's horror genre. He said that he didn't consider the films he made as horror. They were fantasy, morality tales, whatever. The majority of the action was portrayed by the skills of the actors, as opposed to today's films, which are all special effects, with the actor having to play second fiddle. He was pointing out that today's films have to use more graphic images to put their story across, instead of relying on the skills of the actors. All of this tends to descencitize (probably spelt wrong) the viewers, and therefore doesn't really succeed at its job. I don't see the need for a lot of today's death metal bands to go all the way the their very graphic horror clips. Most of the time you can't make out what they are singing anyway. For all we know, they might just be singing about having a cup of tea? William From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 10:58:26 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:58:26 +0000 Subject: OFF: Swearing Message-ID: On tis 2 dec 1997 23.32 +0800 "William Duffy" wrote: > I've always wondered about when certain swear words may have actually come > in to use. For instance, whether the 'f' word was actually used during the > time of William Wallace, or was it just added to the movie dialogue to make > its use more colourful? Well, it undoubtedly predates Wallace, though whether anyone might have used it in that context is debateable. It's earliest recorded use is borrowed into Latin to describe the impious conduct of some monks--at Ely, I think, actually. It might have been there used not so much as an obscenity in the modern sense, but as a secular word to underline the improperly secular activity of the monks. Cheers, Carl ObCD: BOC _Secret Treaties_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 2 09:08:59 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:08:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ape! In-Reply-To: <1576233.3090056927@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <1576233.3090056927 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, "Carl E. Anderson" writes >> If you're ever round our way, remind me to show you my ape memorabelia. >> I've only got one of the action figures......can't get 'em anywhere, a >> few 8 x 10's, lobby packs, half a dozen "ape" t-shirts, p/backs. >> Stocking up for the big ape revival, yup! > > Well, you'll have to remind where you, which spiral arm of the London >tube leads your way, etc. I keep meaning to get out there sometime ... > >Cheers. >Carl Sorry, bit ambiguos. My ape stuff's *at home*! It's mine, I tell you!! HA-HA! Wot's this Cathederal track, tho'? Bit dubious about General Urko, being a TV spin off character. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 2 10:04:35 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:04:35 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lothar & Early Synth Stuff In-Reply-To: <971202090250.22c216fc@pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: In article <971202090250.22c216fc at pa.msu.edu>, John McIntyre writes >John McIntyre >Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept >Michigan State University >mcintyre at pa.msu.edu Thanks John. Is this list great or what? -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 11:08:59 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:08:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: On tis 2 dec 1997 23.46 +0800 "William Duffy" wrote: > I saw an interview with Christopher Lee today, in which he spoke about the > differences between the Hammer films and today's horror genre. Well, Hammer films were more fun :) > I don't see the need for a lot of today's death metal bands to go all the > way the their very graphic horror clips. Most of the time you can't make out > what they are singing anyway. > For all we know, they might just be singing about having a cup of tea? I think someone should be a death metal album filled with sweet, fluffy lyrics and see how long it takes for anyone to notice :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 2 09:25:40 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:25:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ape In-Reply-To: <199712021336.IAA29613@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: In article <199712021336.IAA29613 at mbunix.mitre.org>, John A Swartz writes >GEEZ Carl - you and must have some sort of psychic link between the two >of us. I used to be a huge PotA fan as a kid, and just this past weekend >watched a tape of the original movie - and Charlton Heston made that quote >about not trusting anyone over 30. You do know Oliver Stone's doing a $100 million remake, don't you? This time Heston's playing Dr. Zaius. It was supposed to have gone into production a while back, but I'm glad it didn't because now Schwartzenegger isn't going to play Taylor, which he was. Phew! (What a poorly constructed sentence) -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 11:14:05 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:14:05 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ape! Message-ID: On tis 2 dec 1997 14.08 +0000 "Jon Browne" wrote: > Wot's this Cathederal track, tho'? Bit dubious about > General Urko, being a TV spin off character. Yeah, but he only appears in the first verse of the song. The rest more or less summarizes the plot of the original film. It's the first track on the _Supernatural Birth Machine_ album. Much riffing :) "Taylor escapes this hell to meet his fate Upon the shores of suicide On your knees before the rotting face Of liberty dead in the sand" -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 11:15:27 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:15:27 GMT Subject: OFF: Swearing In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:32:37 +0800 Message-ID: oops - still off topic but this fascinates me too. William Duffy writes: > I've always wondered about when certain swear words may have actually come > in to use. For instance, whether the 'f' word was actually used during the > time of William Wallace, or was it just added to the movie dialogue to make > its use more colourful? > > I suspect the latter. The word itself has probably been around for quite a long time without even changing its meaning and then as society's attitudes and perceptions change so a simple descriptive word becomes a statement of deep and dangerous sentiments because people have become particularly sensitive to what it describes. I reckon you can probably tell a lot about a society simply by discovering which are its forbidden words or phrases and maybe in a hundred years time the 'f' words will be no more insulting than the words vinyl or compact disc. > Anyone came across any articles on the history of swear words? I'm sure there's a dictionary somewhere! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Dec 2 11:24:00 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:24:00 -0500 Subject: BOC: Astronomy/Imaginos: the video Message-ID: Jason said: >Speaking of all this cool stuff, I've always wondered about the video that >was made for "Astronomy." Just what transgressed in the video that resulted >in its banned status? How well made was the video? Also, does the video include the Steven King intro? I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but I always thought that it would be cool to do Imaginos in a "Heavy Metal: The Movie" *style*, with different artists depicting each episode. And hey, BOC/Imaginos is nothing if a little tongue-in-cheek :) Sammy Hagar won't be on the soundtrack either... :P Brian obsnowexaggeration> In the good old days, I used to make 20 foot tall Godzilla snowmen with paper mache heads to scare the neighbors. obcd> This is Jazz #23: Louis Armstrong Sings -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2475 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 11:32:01 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:32:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ape Message-ID: On tis 2 dec 1997 14.25 +0000 "Jon Browne" wrote: > You do know Oliver Stone's doing a $100 million remake, don't you? This > time Heston's playing Dr. Zaius. Phoowar! Cool! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 11:37:22 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:37:22 GMT Subject: OFF: Ape In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:25:40 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > >GEEZ Carl - you and must have some sort of psychic link between the two > >of us. I used to be a huge PotA fan as a kid, and just this past weekend > >watched a tape of the original movie - and Charlton Heston made that quote > >about not trusting anyone over 30. So I've always wondered about PotA. In the third film "Escape From The Planet of the Apes" Cornelius and Zira take off in Charlton Heston's space capsule and go back in time through the rift. Where did they get the rocket booster? After the fifth film, the mutants have revolted and been repulsed by apes and humans and we see a scene with the Lawgiver talking to humans and apes who are apparently equal. Does this mean that the future where the Earth gets fried by the Q Bomb won't now happen? Will Heston therefore arrive in a future where apes and humans are buddies and the humans can still talk? Enquiring minds want to know... FoFP From mwood at AGILE.COM Tue Dec 2 11:49:46 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:49:46 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ape Message-ID: Has anyone got a list of all the films and the order in which they were released? I've seen them all at various times, but never really put together the entire story. If I had the running order, I could re-watch them all and put the whole thing together. Are all of the films widely available for purchase in the US? I wonder if the proposed remake will just cover the first film, or if they will make some attempt to tell the longer story? MWood NP: _Strange Trips & Pipe Dreams_ - Dave Brock (Thanks RJ) From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Dec 2 12:14:33 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:14:33 -0700 Subject: More Imaginos Message-ID: > Ok-I give-what is the concept of this cd? I've never heard it!! Just > curious!! Pam-- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool bart wrote: > > I had > > also seen a "Tear Garden" review on rmp-anyone see that and possibly > > remember what the title of the cd was-only 'cause I really like Edward > > K-Spell's vocals. any reccommendations there? > > The new Tear Garden is called "To be an Angel Blind, The Crippled Soul Divide". > Whatever. I snagged it cheap in Colorado because I was interested in cevin > Key's > involvement. I'm listening to it right now, but not knowing any other TG stuff > I can't really compare. It's quieter and more conventional than I was expecting > (maybe I should have bought the Download CD instead!) I've seen it-and a couple of others that I can't remember right now. I remeber a review on r.m.p., but I cannot remeber the title of the thing-I think it was one of the older releases, but not sure. I'm gonna post over there today & see if the author will let me know the title of that thing.How is that to listen to? I've got Legendary Pink Dots "It's Raining in Heaven" It's good, but has some really odd spots in it:) Looks like I'll hafta get that one:) I'm glad you said ka-Spell's *vocals*, because it sure isn't singing :-) Hmmmmm.....he sings rather well on th aformentioned cd:) > BTW, Cast (UK) isn't as bad as Andy makes out either !! Ok!!Thanx for the info!! I appreciate it~ Rock on! Pam > > > Tim -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool john.m.gray wrote: > Christmas has come early, after months of searching I finally scored the > Darxtar Darker CD. 8^))) In those terms, Christmas came for me about a month ago. A guy on the net was selling a lot of CDs for US$5 each, among them were the first 2 Darxtar CDs (and the first CD by the French prog band Eclat). Where did you get your _Darker_ CD? I liked the first, self-titled CD better than _Darker_, myself. But I really don't understand all the warnings that I had been given that the first 2 CDs were somehow substandard. Both are very listenable and quite good, if you don't mind the blatant similarity to Hawkwind (which I don't). The fact that the first CD is not indexed (just one long, 40 minute track) is annoying, but other than that, I have no complaints. I haven't heard _Daybreak_ or _Sju_ yet. Both are on my (long) "must-buy" list. MWood NP: _Darker_ (you psyched me up for it!) From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Tue Dec 2 06:28:53 1997 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:28:53 GMT Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: >So you're shocked and disgusted by Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson. You >must be over thirty.. Nope. 27 ;-) I do like some of their music, though - especially NIN - but I hate the videos... and all the imagery associated with these sorts of bands (especially MM). Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Tue Dec 2 06:29:11 1997 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:29:11 GMT Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: >> Manson, GWAR and the like are simply following the trend of appealing to >> the lowest common denominator. The real shame of it all is that our >> children our overloaded with this mega bombardment of negative images.. >> Each and every parent needs to be on guard against this assulat on our >> children. My kids don't listen to Manson or Gwar becuase THEY have no >> desire to. They saw footage of GWAR and thought they were clowns. Well >> grounded kids and I'm proud of them. If you have concerns about the >> impact of this stuff on your kids talk to them about it, keep the lines >> of communication open with them.. > >You just said a mouthful there, AB. Look at the kids who dig MM, and >look at their homelife. It won't be any surprise why those kids are >into shock music. Kids whose parents take a REAL interest in them >[and I ain't talking about throwing money at the problem] won't be >drawn to it, and they will be able to see it for what it is IF their >parents are truly involved in their lives and are being good role >models. I'm convinced a lot of kids are attracted to MM et al out of >loneliness. They are craving their parents' attention, and hope that >the shock music will stir their parents to acting like parents.. >There are fewer stable home relationships these days: parents >working two jobs, overworked single parents etc. It's hard to BE a >parent these days--precisely the reason selfish old me isn't a >parent. If you don't take responsibility for being a parent, >somebody like MM will gladly fill the role for ya.... Wow. Very deep stuff here. And I think this very well describes the problem. The thing is, a lot of damage has already been done - and whereas it is our job as parents (well, I'm not one yet, but my time'll come ;-) to be careful about such things, it is those kids who listen to such music that concern me. Sure, we now know why they do that (at least, there's a very strong chance that's the reason), but what worries me is that when they grow up and become parents, they might end up acting the same way with their kids. You know, that thing about people not learning from their mistakes (or, in this case, from the mistakes of their parents). Bottom line, things could get worse from one generation to another... I mean, hey, if kids today like MM, what will kids of tomorrow like ? *shiver* Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Tue Dec 2 06:28:55 1997 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:28:55 GMT Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: >We have to remember that even the most 'enlightened' people of the >so-called dark ages believed in God, Satan, etc., things that to me, >at least, smack of superstition and black magic. The enlightened >people of that age were educated in 'religious' schools, so >naturally, their training was somewhat slanted toward believing in >christianity. Good points ;-) >Remember that a high degree of education does not >necesarily produce logical thought. Look no further than >Harvard-educated Pat Buchanan. You'd think that somewhere, this >rabidly catholic and ivy educated man would have somehow learned >of the futility and social destructiveness of racism and religious >extremism. But it didn't happen that way.... I agree on this. Even if I'm not familiar with Pat Buchanan :-o But I know there are many people like that... >> out that most Christians are usually very altruistic people, who are always >> ready to help others, honest, respectful of laws, etc... OTOH, when I look > >Again, Pat Buchanan thinks he's holier than the Pope. Remember that >the so-called Western Hemisphere was 'discovered' by Christians, who >saw the aboriginals as pagans, whose beliefs were infidel, and used >this as an excuse to take their land and slaughter and enslave them >and destroy their culture. Well yeah, and you could also mention the Crusades. But as I've said before, I don't think you can compare modern Christians to Christians of those older days. Science has evolved, Christians have evolved. Of course, there are always exceptions, extremists, but... never mind, let's not slip back into the religious debate ;-) >> I think bands use those images just to be original, to be >> "different"... but why does it have to go into such violence and gore and >> other such disgusting material ? Bowie was original in the 60's and 70's.. > >I can't offer you any help here. I simply think that society, >through greed, racism, whatever, has come to view humanity itself as >debased and unworthy of respect. Because parents need to work their >asses off just to make ends meet, they have no time for their kids, >and the kids get raised by Manson etc. And Barney ! :-o But you have a good point... >I think kids are scared by >adulthood and the prospect of nothing awaiting them at the end of the >rainbow, so they turn to negative music.... Right. A mirror image of today's society, I'd say. And when we know that kids are the future, doesn't it get really frightening ? Well, I find it frightening. >> When I compare the Christian community to the rest of the >> world, I can tell you this : the Christian community seems much more >> "normal" - and once again, I'm not talking about beliefs, but about the way >> people act.. > >Look, we will have to agree to disagree. I'm no atheist, I just >don't think much of organized religion. To me, the Christian >community seems more concerned with controlling people than anything >else. Obviously you think otherwise and I respect your views.... Thanks. And I respect yours ;-) Cool, I wish all religious-related discussions could be like this ;-) >And, FWIW, I agree with what you just posted about Imaginos! And so do I *grin* Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Tue Dec 2 06:29:13 1997 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:29:13 GMT Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: >> Manson, GWAR and the like are simply following the trend of appealing to >> the lowest common denominator.. > > Like Oasis :) Well yeah, maybe, but at least Oasis doesn't use all that horrible imagery... If I had kids, I wouldn't mind them listenting to Oasis - or Blur, etc - though I would mind a lot if they were listening to MM ! Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Tue Dec 2 06:29:15 1997 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:29:15 GMT Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: William wrote : >I don't see the need for a lot of today's death metal bands to go all the >way the their very graphic horror clips. Most of the time you can't make out >what they are singing anyway.. >For all we know, they might just be singing about having a cup of tea? *LOL* Right on ! I totally agree... ;-) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 2 10:23:16 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:23:16 EDT Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: <01bcff39$6361bde0$54033bcb@xl5.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: > From: William Duffy > > > I saw an interview with Christopher Lee today, in which he spoke about the > differences between the Hammer films and today's horror genre. > He said that he didn't consider the films he made as horror. They were > fantasy, morality tales, whatever. The majority of the action was portrayed > by the skills of the actors, as opposed to today's films, which are all > special effects, with the actor having to play second fiddle. > > He was pointing out that today's films have to use more graphic images to > put their story across, instead of relying on the skills of the actors. All > of this tends to descencitize (probably spelt wrong) the viewers, and > therefore doesn't really succeed at its job. > Here's the story on current films: They are way overbudgeted. To justify the budget, the producers/directors have to come up with impressive stunts, which cost a fortune to stage. Having spent all that bread, they have to prominently feature these big f/x, taking away from plot, dialogue, script etc. BTW, the entire budget for Pulp Fiction was less than Bruce Willis' usual salary for a film. The only expensive thing in the moview was the set for Jack Rabbit Slims. Likewise, Reservoir Dogs cost about 4 million to make [maybe less--it was a pittance] and look what a first-time director was able to achieve. It's not that hard to make a good movie for cheap, but you have to have good actors and--most importantly--a good script. Nobody knows how to write these days, and it shows in the movies. Too many filmmakers focus [ouch] on production because it will inflate the budget, and make them known as 'big-ticket' directors. While a good script almost directs itself, and makes the actors happy--they want to act, to be stars, not play second banana to an exploding car. The great European films [which Tarantino has devoured] always have had low budgets, and their quality is unmistakeable... > theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Dec 2 12:35:08 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:35:08 -0000 Subject: Imaginos' Second Act Message-ID: >Seriously, this is a rather interesting topic that has lots of various >tangents. yep. Thinking about _Secret Treaties_ as being the closest to anything released resembling a part of Imaginos outside of the LP, here are a few random thoughts: 1. Plutonia/Desdinova connexion: When this was talked about on the list a ways back, I remember assuming it was an early version of the mechanics of the character interactions in the story. (I assume Sandy wrote the liner notes) (I remember writing a hypothetical plot outline of the LP too...man those were the days- free time abounded but thats a different kettle of fish) Anyhow, given what little we know about Plutonia (the charmed ship) the human representative of Plutonia that made the secret treaty might be the same way: Desdinova/ Imaginos's otherworldliness might have "charmed" Plutonia into going along with the new history Imaginos is writing for the Invisibles. 2. Look at the continuity of the songs on the disc: 2 references to Maine in Cagey Cretins and Astronomy, both describing the loneliness of the place. Subhuman and Astronomy are already linked by virtue of the later LP. "taking from the jungle by crime" can easily fit in with "Career of Evil." Q: What was the gameplan involved in making _ST_? This line of thinking brings up a question: Is the Imaginos trilogy meant to be variations on a theme (particularly the one presented on the Imaginos LP), which resolve themselves by the third time it rolls around (Like some wierd Moebius strip?)? Imaginos, oooh Imaginos, let go, (how's that for a hybrid BOC signoff line?) Jason From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Dec 2 12:45:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:45:00 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's mail of Wed, 19 Nov 97 12:31 +0000 Message-ID: On 19 Nov 12:31, I wrote: > My remasters tend to sit on the shelf and hardly ever get played, although > I'm happy to own them. I expect this album will join them. Of course, I could be lying :-). > Simon House's violin is clearly audible on It's So Easy and You'd Better > Believe It, and is probably what makes these tracks stand out for me. > I suspect he's playing keyboards on some other tracks -- it certainly > sounds like him (e.g. on The Watcher). Also on Seven By Seven. I can't agree with Steve (Pond)'s gripe about the mix. I think it's excellent. The guitar is clear, as is everything else. Dave. ObCD: HW, The 1999 Party. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Dec 2 12:36:10 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:36:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Dec 1997 12:50:08 GMT." <1508927.3090055808@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > On tis 2 dec 1997 01.33 -0700 "Cliff and Pam Wheaton" > wrote: > > I think Marylin Manson & NIN are > > rather silly-seems to me that they're out to do nothing but shock-and > that's > > all. where's the value in that? It won't really stand the test of > time-and to > > me, that's what counts.:) Rock on! I'm not too familiar with Marilyn Manson (apart from a porn movie flash in Lynch's Lost Highway and a couple of tracks off hir first album), but I think many people underestimate what Trent Reznor has done over the last few years. Ya may not like it, but Reznor is prettymuch a genius at sonic manipulation (no thats not masturbation) and studio havoc. The souless (and often tuneless :) aspects of industrial music, and alright, a fair bit of profanity are just hooks for today's youth. Its called rock and roll. The man's gotta earn his crust too! The pop-industrial-metal genre like any other has the truly innovative (NIN, Young Gods) and a load of derivative dross (at random - God Lives Underwater, Gravity Kills...) like any other. The latter will be transient, while the former make their mark on music as legitimately as any band we've ever discussed here on boc-l. I ought to take this to irock... :-) Tim "'That's what we want isn't it, government approved rock n roll? Whooh, we're partying now!'" Bill Hicks From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 2 13:10:12 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:10:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ape Message-ID: >Has anyone got a list of all the films and the order in which they were released? I've seen them all at various times, but never really put together the entire story. Check out this URL -- http://members.aol.com/rogerapple/forbiddenzone.html John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 2 12:13:31 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:13:31 EDT Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: <199712021129.LAA02526@laguna-01.laguna.com.mx> Message-ID: > From: "Alex S. Garcia" > Wow. Very deep stuff here. And I think this very well describes the problem. > The thing is, a lot of damage has already been done - and whereas it is our > job as parents (well, I'm not one yet, but my time'll come ;-) to be careful > about such things, it is those kids who listen to such music that concern > me. Sure, we now know why they do that (at least, there's a very strong > chance that's the reason), but what worries me is that when they grow up and > become parents, they might end up acting the same way with their kids. You > know, that thing about people not learning from their mistakes (or, in this > case, from the mistakes of their parents). Bottom line, things could get > worse from one generation to another... I mean, hey, if kids today like MM, > what will kids of tomorrow like ? *shiver* > Sad thing but it's true. Abusive parents have children who themselves become abusive parents. Same with alcoholics, though some have suggested a genetic link to substance abuse. Don't know about addiction to rock music! theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 2 12:50:32 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:50:32 -0600 Subject: BOC: KBFH another vote for the Stars / Savatage Message-ID: JS>What, are you longing for the "good old days"? You're not just an old fart, you're a "BOC-L old fart" ;-) LMAO. Howls. Good old days sound fine except no more "concert ettiqutte" from me. JS>Seriously, this is a rather interesting topic that has lots of various tangents. Yeah its nice to see so many people with such diversity of opinion chiming in on mostly topical stuff. Sure the volume is heavy (digest mode anyone?) but at least its topical and fun. John JS>PS: On a somewhat related note, have you heard about Savatage's upcoming release (it's out in Europe and Japan) - *The Wake of Magellan*? It's another concept album, and I've heard musically it's in the same vein as *Dead Winter Dead*. Might be another CD I have to buy in January... Yeah this crushes me. I have no luck at all and "Lucky" was my fraternity nickname in college. Wake has been out in Japan and Europe for a while. Not sure when Wake is going to be released over here though but it might be late spring or early summer. You can get a copy from Dream Disc for about $30. Have you seen their latest catolog? Great choices and nice artwork, no longer Xeroxed pages stapled in the middle. Anyhow the no luck comes from Savatage playing only three warm up shows in the US before heading to Europe. The last one was here at Jaxx my favorite dive. Spent that weekend sick as a dog and couldn't make it. BTW Dream Disc is still reporting that they will have a website up soon, address is dreamdisc.com. I haven't tried it yet. Anyone interested in progressive metal and some of Europe's finest bands may want to get on their mailing list. Their prices are pretty good and they have flat $5.00 mialing fee no matter how many cd's you order. Hey Al they aren't listing anymore tBS stuff, how come? Final DD note, Y&T's latest Endangered Speicies can be had for $20, classic Y&T albums Japan version for $24. Did you ever get a copy of Musically Incorrect? Man I love that one, dosen't sound much like old Y&T, probably their best ever. L8er lil' ab "Isn't sanity just a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking. But when your good and crazy the sky's the limit." -The Tick From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 2 13:31:59 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:31:59 PST Subject: An Imaginos Lesson for Transwest Taxis Message-ID: >From: Cliff and Pam Wheaton >Organization: Transwest Taxi >Subject: Re: More Imaginos >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > >> Ok-I give-what is the concept of this cd? I've never heard it!! >>Just curious!! > >Pam-- There's too much to it for a posting. My only recommendation is that you read the FAQ, get the album, read the liner notes BEFORE listening to the tracks, and then bear in mind that tracks with a place in the Imaginos cycle have cropped up on BOC albums since the very start, just as ordinary, if curious, tracks. A pretty top idea, but it gets better - the concept itself is really f*****g tasty too! And so are the songs!!! Aaarrggghhh, it just doesn't stop. But seriously folks, just get all the albums, especially those with the original rhythm section (important songwriters as well as performers). No, seriously, the Imaginos was one of those few things that quietly slipped into your unconscious mind (through listening to old BOC LPs) and then suddenly it was an album itself. Then all the threads become ropes which become a net which can hardly fail to catch you and then you ARE caught. And there's no getting away. Or maybe I'm just a crazy lunatic fan-boy. Chris. -- The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society - http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Dec 2 13:25:40 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 02:25:40 +0800 Subject: OFF: Ape Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: John A Swartz To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 2:25 Subject: Re: OFF: Ape >>Has anyone got a list of all the films and the order in >which they were released? I've seen them all at various >times, but never really put together the entire story. > This is the order:- Planet of the Apes Beneath... Escape... Conquest... Battle... After the movies there was a TV series, and two episodes (possibly the 1st two) were strung together, and shown as a TV movie with the title Return to the Planet of the Apes. There was also a rather excellent animated series, which was much closer to the original novel of Monkey Planet. In the animated series the apes lived like us in normal houses, drove cars, flew in planes, etc.. William From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 2 15:28:53 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:28:53 GMT Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: <199712021745.RAA14242@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:45:00 +0000, you sent through the ether: >I can't agree with Steve (Pond)'s gripe about the mix. I think it's >excellent. The guitar is clear, as is everything else. Hi Dave, My gripe isn`t that things arn`t clear, sure you can hear everything, but it doesn`t have that wall of sound thing that Hawkwind of that period had, It sounds to me like a 1974 recording with a 1997 production. Still say the vocals are too loud.. ;) Don`t misunderstand me, it`s No.1 on my playlist at the mo.. -Steve From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Dec 2 16:48:31 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:48:31 -0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: > BTW, Cast (UK) isn't as bad as Andy makes out either !! OK, I admit it, "worse than Kula Shaker" was a teensy bit harsh... :) -Andy ObCD: Francoise Hardy - _Le Danger_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Dec 2 17:21:22 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:21:22 +0100 Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <01BCFF6C.6C82E600.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 21:48 02.12.97 -0000, you wrote: >> BTW, Cast (UK) isn't as bad as Andy makes out either !! > >OK, I admit it, "worse than Kula Shaker" was a teensy bit harsh... :) > After seeing them live last spring I don't think anything can be worse than Kula Shaker! Anyone notice the encrypted swastika in their logo and connected it with the lead guy's skinhead past!? Hippies my ass!!! :-) Christian >-- >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Dec 2 17:38:09 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:38:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Savatage/Y&T In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Final DD note, Y&T's latest Endangered Speicies can be had for $20, >classic Y&T albums Japan version for $24. Did you ever get a copy of >Musically Incorrect? Man I love that one, dosen't sound much like old >Y&T, probably their best ever. > hey, another Y&T ref.......what is that, 2 in a month? cool..... but it WAS a good album, even though the track that Phil K. sings really gets on my nerves....just don't really care for his voice.. is Endangered Species any good? and did you ever get the Best of King's X disc? finally, is Savatage really that good? I remember the "Dungeons are Calling" era....last I remember hearing was "Gutter Ballet" and I wasn't too impressed....in fact I thought Oliva was down right annoying... should I give em another try? Ted From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Dec 2 18:34:48 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:34:48 -0700 Subject: BOC: New Releases In-Reply-To: <2C146B319EB@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > >> From: jean l delacour > > Also, better late than never, I LOVE THE NEW BD BAND VIDEO!!!!!!!!! > > I am thinking about using this in my classroom, as I teach special ed. > > > > Manuel > > How's the sound quality, production etc? I'm thinking of ordering > it, but planned on getting the audio disc. Is the audio available > yet? > > > theo > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." > v.vega > THEO: The audio is excellent!!! For the price I payed for it (23.99), it is very much worth it!!! I'm no pro, but it looks like there were 2 or 3 cameras at different angles. Also, just hearing Buck play Deadline, WWS, and 5;35 are within itself priceless (to me.) God bless.....Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Dec 2 18:46:34 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:46:34 -0700 Subject: BDB Vid & Children. In-Reply-To: <971201191535_-1908764277@mrin84.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Chuck & all my BOC-L friends; Actually I teach special ed in the Albuquerque public schools. The sp ed program I run is for " emotionally disturbed and behaviorally disorderd" kids in the 3rd, 4th, & 5th grades. Basically, nobody wants these kids and, I kid you not, they don't have a father or male in their lives. I have already introduced them to Godzilla, Cities on Flame and several other "old people music", and they loved it. Therefore, once I get the permission from my principal, I will show it to them as a reward on a Friday. Ricky's take on the Reaper is right on!! Children don't read into things the way many adults do. They see things for what they are. The Reaper is an insiration to me because it calms the fear of death, and shows how powerful the love for another human can be. Love will keep a man and a woman "together for eternity". God bless....Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Dec 1 18:15:36 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:15:36 +0000 Subject: OFF: Swearing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon wrote: >pizzle >-- >Jon > "Skin The Pizzle" - great tune by Sonny Sharrock/Last Exit... ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Safe sex doen't mean no sex, it just means use your imagination." - Billy Bragg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Dec 1 18:30:47 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:30:47 +0000 Subject: off/other: KC's _The Night Watch_? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:56 02/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >>>ObCDplayer--_The Night Watch_ by King Crimson >> >>Haven't hear of this one, is this a boot, or a new release? >> >>Allan. >Its a 2 CD DGM approved set housing the Concertbugow (spelling is probably >wrong here) show which formed the essential parts of the LP _Starless and >Bible Black_. For more info, check out the DGM homepage : >www.discipline.co.uk (click on the heart). > >Jason > Concertgebouw ChrisW (formerly resident in Vlaanderen) P.S. It transliterates as "concert building" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Safe sex doen't mean no sex, it just means use your imagination." - Billy Bragg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Dec 1 18:37:30 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:37:30 +0000 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: <199712021129.LAA02527@laguna-01.laguna.com.mx> Message-ID: At 11:29 02/12/97 GMT, you wrote: >>> Manson, GWAR and the like are simply following the trend of appealing to >>> the lowest common denominator.. >> >> Like Oasis :) > >Well yeah, maybe, but at least Oasis doesn't use all that horrible >imagery... If I had kids, I wouldn't mind them listenting to Oasis - or >Blur, etc - though I would mind a lot if they were listening to MM ! > > > >Alex S. Garcia. > I'm happy just to keep the Sp*c* G*rls out of my house!!! ChrisW ObTV:Underworld ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Safe sex doen't mean no sex, it just means use your imagination." - Billy Bragg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Dec 1 18:47:45 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:47:45 +0000 Subject: An Imaginos Lesson for Transwest Taxis In-Reply-To: <19971202183203.23305.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At 10:31 02/12/97 PST, you wrote: >>> Ok-I give-what is the concept of this cd? I've never heard it!! >>>Just curious!! >> >>Pam-- > >There's too much to it for a posting. My only recommendation is that >you read the FAQ, get the album, read the liner notes BEFORE listening >to the tracks, and then bear in mind that tracks with a place in the >Imaginos cycle have cropped up on BOC albums since the very start, just >as ordinary, if curious, tracks. A pretty top idea, but it gets better >- the concept itself is really f*****g tasty too! And so are the >songs!!! Aaarrggghhh, it just doesn't stop. > >But seriously folks, just get all the albums, especially those with the >original rhythm section (important songwriters as well as performers). > >No, seriously, the Imaginos was one of those few things that quietly >slipped into your unconscious mind (through listening to old BOC LPs) >and then suddenly it was an album itself. Then all the threads become >ropes which become a net which can hardly fail to catch you and then you >ARE caught. And there's no getting away. > >Or maybe I'm just a crazy lunatic fan-boy. > >Chris. > I guess that makes me a crazy lunatic fan-boy too: It sums up my Imaginos feelings/experience almost exactly - it all just slowly percolated into my brain over the years, and the songs often float through my head entirely unbidden and far more frequently than those of other bands who I've loved just as much over the years. Up front, THEY ROCK, but there's that subtle, almost insidious quality that nobody else has. I'll stop now before I start to rave & dribble. ChrisW ObInMyHead: Astronomy (SEE version!) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Safe sex doen't mean no sex, it just means use your imagination." - Billy Bragg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Dec 1 18:48:51 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:48:51 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <01BCFF6C.6C82E600.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 21:48 02/12/97 -0000, you wrote: >> BTW, Cast (UK) isn't as bad as Andy makes out either !! > >OK, I admit it, "worse than Kula Shaker" was a teensy bit harsh... :) > >-Andy > And I actually enjoy Kula Shaker, for all their faults... ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Safe sex doen't mean no sex, it just means use your imagination." - Billy Bragg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Dec 2 19:16:34 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 00:16:34 -0000 Subject: HW, BOC: Names Message-ID: You know, I never really believed either of the "official" stories about the origins of the names "Hawkwind" or "Blue Oyster Cult". This Daniel Lanois ref seemed worth following up, but so far all I've got is the lyrics to the song, "When the Hawkwind Kills": ***Where The Hawkwind Kills The suburb walls are closing in I've looked at you and I've seen you through your curtain With a naked eye from not far, I've shed a tear for you, a flowing fountain Flaming trees, I'm lost in fields of your hair >From where the hawkwinds kill and the blood runs thin I'll go now, fly I will >From inside the gates of the stripping yard I can't touch you, I can't feel for this thunder town I want you now while my body is young, my mind is strong away from thunder town >From where the hawkwind kills and the dam runs deep In this land of heaven, not so sweet I turn my back to a godless night I hear the mighty stranger over thunder hill >From where the hawkwinds kill and the blood runs thin I'll go now, fly I will... Over the mountain I must go To see the valley below Thunder town... Not sure what that's all about! But it sounds kinda native American to me... And searching for the phrase "Blue Oyster", without "Cult" (or "Point", because you get lists of seafood) found me a seller of gay T-shirts, and a gay chat-room, at which point I stopped (for the time being, anyway...!) I wonder if they just took the name from _Police Academy_, or there's something more mysterious going on? I wouldn't put it past Pearlman to slide in some obscure jargon... -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed Dec 3 11:57:13 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:57:13 EST Subject: OFF: Snow In-Reply-To: <199712021412.OAA11661@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from "M Holmes" at Dec 2, 97 02:12:03 pm Message-ID: No snow but there really bad bushfires near sydney. We are just into the first week of summer and they are predicting it to be very dry and hot we have already had 40 degrees here in melbourne a couple of weeks ago. regards Marty P.S Well Done Paul - HAwkwind Melbourne Australia Feb 98 From jguizar at EPIX.NET Tue Dec 2 20:10:48 1997 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:10:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ape In-Reply-To: <01bcff4f$b181bbe0$813e3bcb@xl5.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: In <01bcff4f$b181bbe0$813e3bcb at xl5.iinet.net.au>, on 12/03/97 at 02:25 AM, William Duffy said: >After the movies there was a TV series, and two episodes (possibly the >1st two) were strung together, and shown as a TV movie with the title >Return to the Planet of the Apes. The TV series used to play on the Sci-Fi Channel. Don't know about now, not having cable for a few years. It'd be great if they'd run one of those marathons where they showed nothing but the series - with the movies right before or after :) Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 20:37:43 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 01:37:43 GMT Subject: HW: -ish Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:37:30 +0000 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > I'm happy just to keep the Sp*c* G*rls out of my house!!! Space Gyrls? I hear that they are short of a manager at the moment - may be a certain DS would be interested..... 8-)) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Dec 2 21:00:21 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:00:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > Sure BOC shocked our parents in the the 70's as Marilyn Manson shocks me > today. But this is the nature of the times. IMo, the only thing shocking about these "shock" bands, is that people find them shocking. i find them silly and unworthy of comment. a musical ren and stimpy.NONE of them is doing anything that has not been done before. > Years ago Alfred > Hitchcock's Pyscho was considered the scariest movie out there, not > necesarrily for what it showed but what people thought they saw. Today > we get blasted with f/x and high body counts instead of working the old > imagination. the difference between art and production. > Manson, GWAR and the like are simply following the trend of appealing to > the lowest common denominator. again, IMO, these bands are simply following the only thread of stardom available to them. they are well aware that there are flakes out there who choose their entertainment based solely on how wierd it is, or how unacceptible it seems. people that take no pleasure in the entertainment itself, but only in the disdain it earns them from others. > As for me I lump those guys in the categopry of music that just dosen't > interest me, its not good or bad. im with u on that. indifference is the word, i think.rj > > > lil ab From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 2 21:02:43 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 02:02:43 GMT Subject: HW, BOC: Names In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Wed, 3 Dec 1997 00:16:34 -0000 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > You know, I never really believed either of the "official" stories about > the origins of the names "Hawkwind" or "Blue Oyster Cult". This Daniel I'm afraid I believe absolutely (given the state of the people and the state of mind of that period!) in the Hawkwind story. Elegant though it might be to believe in an esoteric origin for the Hawkwind name I regret that humanity prevails and we have to accept reality and late 1960s for this. Hawkwind was founded and called after its members - they acknowledge the honesty of this and I believe them. Why try to pretend otherwise that this was a bunch of unwashed music playing buskers who thought that making the music they wanted to hear was more important than anything else at all - especially being socially acceptable (i.e. neat, tidy, well dressed, intellectual) - and giving this music free to as many people as wanted to hear it. If the founder members of Hawkwind say the name was created by a guy that farted and spat then fine - it may sound socially offensive but that's what the band were at the time - just like Death Metal or whatsit Manson - these guys were out to shock society and really annoy the social hierarchy of that time as well as give an amazing music experience to those that were willing to be different and experience something new in that period. I firmly trust (I hope) that Hawkwind in 1969 were not a comfortable intellectual society acceptable group of folk that you would take home to supper with your parents and were just a bit wierd in their thought processes. This was a band you followed if you were deeply p*ssed off with everything going on around you or you hid the albums from your family and didn't admit to even knowing them never mind buying their records. Hawkwind were considered Dangerous to Society. This was not a safe band to be associated with. We should remember that. And acknowledge and appreciate what they did. Don't try to change that, please. jill obApologyInAdvance> ok I'm drunk - sorry! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Tue Dec 2 15:10:13 1997 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:10:13 GMT Subject: OFF: Movie making Message-ID: >It's not that hard to make a good movie for cheap, but >you have to have good actors and--most importantly--a good script.. >Nobody knows how to write these days, and it shows in the movies.. Which pretty much sums up my every day struggle :-o This is yet another subject which has always worried me a lot. Things are getting worse. But thankfully, there are some good writers & good movies ("Usual suspects", anyone ?) out there - just not as many, and not as successful, as there used to be... Just wait until I make my way into showbiz ;-)) >Too many filmmakers focus [ouch] on production because it will >inflate the budget, and make them known as 'big-ticket' directors.. >While a good script almost directs itself, and makes the actors >happy--they want to act, to be stars, not play second banana to an >exploding car. The great European films [which Tarantino has >devoured] always have had low budgets, and their quality is >unmistakeable.... Can't help but think about the great "Swimming with sharks" that I saw last night... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Dec 2 21:48:29 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:48:29 +1000 Subject: HW: Warrior mis-press Message-ID: Hi all, Was there someone on the list who was after a copy of the Pendragon miss-pressing of WotEoT? Jill? If so, I have a brand new copy .... and need a copy of the "actual" WotEoT (either Griffin or GWR will do) for a rather dissapointed friend .... Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 2 21:33:51 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:33:51 -0600 Subject: OFF: A deep question. Message-ID: Alex>Wow. Very deep stuff here. And I think this very well describes the problem. The thing is, a lot of damage has already been done - and whereas it is our job as parents (well, I'm not one yet, but my time'll come ;-) to be careful about such things, it is those kids who listen to such music that concern me. Sure, we now know why they do that (at least, there's a very strong chance that's the reason), but what worries me is that when they grow up and become parents, they might end up acting the same way with their kids. You know, that thing about people not learning from their mistakes (or, in this case, from the mistakes of their parents). Bottom line, things could get worse from one generation to another... I mean, hey, if kids today like MM, what will kids of tomorrow like ? *shiver* I think most parents here will agree that our children today face some unique challenges we never had to at the same age. There was no internet in my teen years, hell there wasn't even cable television back then. Information and access to information is instantaneous, we cannot control everything they are exposed to. But like our parents and our parent's parents we can only prepare those in our charge the best we can and let destiny/fate decide the rest. Who knows what their children will face in the next millenum, Lord knows we have left them a lot to consider with our own stewardship of this world. Have no fear though Alex, while there is no definitive text on parenting you just do the best you can with what you have. Your parents certainly didn't know a lot when you were born, only the qualities they later instilled in you. Don't tell them drugs are bad while your smoking a joint, explain things to them when they show an ability to ask a rational question. Thats one things thats never changed, they learn more by watching you and the things YOU DO than listening to you. Some advice from a father of five. lil ab From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 2 21:57:08 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:57:08 -0600 Subject: OFF: Y&T and singing bass players Message-ID: Ted>hey, another Y&T ref.......what is that, 2 in a month? cool..... but it WAS a good album, even though the track that Phil K. sings really gets on my nerves....just don't really care for his voice.. is Endangered Species any good? Haven't gotten Endangered Speicies yet, waiting for it to go domestic to save a few bucks. I love Phil's singing but then again I'm a sucker for a bass player who can "twang" an sing at the same time. Phil K, Lemmy, some guy name Joe Bouchard 8>), the late Phil Lynott, Larry Graham and oh the two best ever Doug Pinnick and Geddy. Ted>and did you ever get the Best of King's X disc? Another on my list to purchase. I'm torn over this one. KX is one of the few bands I actually collect. This one is released on Atlantic and I hate the thought of putting a penny in their pocket period, but it is KX. Three new studio songs and a live version of Over My Head makes it too tempting. Ted>finally, is Savatage really that good? I remember the "Dungeons are Calling" era....last I remember hearing was "Gutter Ballet" and I wasn't too impressed....in fact I thought Oliva was down right annoying... should I give em another try? Well its all opinions but I say Hell Yes! This band has the right amount metal and prog to make me salivate uncontrollably. Whats more they always seem to have some wicked guitarist. The late Cris Oliva is one of the best I have ever heard. Alex Skolnick does Handful of Rain after Cris dies and tears it up and then Al Pitrelli (sp) caps it off with DWD. I love Gutter Ballet, BOC should cover the title track would fit them well. Its also the beginning of the change from sheer metal to a more progressive approach. I agree Jon's vocals are like Lemmy's, you gotta get used to them, but get anyone of the disc where Zak sings (Edge of Thorns, Handful of Rain, DWD and the new one Wake Of Magellan) and you get magic, that guy is great. cha-ching cha-ching another opinion from the ROX/SUX guy. lil' ab "Isn't sanity just a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking. But when your good and crazy the sky's the limit." -The Tick OBCD - Stevie Wonder, Talking Book From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Dec 2 23:09:00 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:09:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Y&T and singing bass players In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Haven't gotten Endangered Speicies yet, waiting for it to go domestic to >save a few bucks. I love Phil's singing but then again I'm a sucker for >a bass player who can "twang" an sing at the same time. Phil K, Lemmy, >some guy name Joe Bouchard 8>), the late Phil Lynott, Larry Graham and >oh the two best ever Doug Pinnick and Geddy. oh...well, probably what I'm gonna do too....funny, I agree with you about the other singing bass players though...maybe it's just the lyrics on that particular song...."Squeeze" never really bothered me; I can't remember if Phil sang any of the Yesterday and Today stuff > >Ted>and did you ever get the Best of King's X disc? > >Another on my list to purchase. I'm torn over this one. KX is one of >the few bands I actually collect. This one is released on Atlantic and >I hate the thought of putting a penny in their pocket period, but it is >KX. Three new studio songs and a live version of Over My Head makes it >too tempting. in my opinion, this is a must have...I love the 3 new songs and the remastering Ty did on the tracks from the first 4 albums is great.... in fact the live OMH is kind of the least important to me..though the middle section with the guitar swells and Doug's ad libbing are cool >Ted>finally, is Savatage really that good? I remember the "Dungeons are >Calling" >era....last I remember hearing was "Gutter Ballet" and I wasn't too >impressed....in fact I thought Oliva was down right annoying... >should I give em another try? > >Well its all opinions but I say Hell Yes! This band has the right >amount metal and prog to make me salivate uncontrollably. Whats more >they always seem to have some wicked guitarist. The late Cris Oliva is >one of the best I have ever heard. Alex Skolnick does Handful of Rain >after Cris dies and tears it up and then Al Pitrelli (sp) caps it off >with DWD. I love Gutter Ballet, BOC should cover the title track would >fit them well. Its also the beginning of the change from sheer metal to >a more progressive approach. I agree Jon's vocals are like Lemmy's, you >gotta get used to them, but get anyone of the disc where Zak sings (Edge >of Thorns, Handful of Rain, DWD and the new one Wake Of Magellan) and >you get magic, that guy is great. well, you may have convinced me....I always DID like Alex Skolnik...he impressed the hell out of me when I saw him playing with Stu Hamm..he was playing Satriani and Johnson's licks without batting an eye and putting his own into the tunes at the same time....I just thought that Gutter Ballet and Hall of the Mountain King were just too cheesy > >cha-ching cha-ching another opinion from the ROX/SUX guy. > >lil' ab > so when are you finally gonna get to one of the "local" BOC shows? (ok, so Bethlehem wasn't exactly local.....3 1/2 hours for me, but it was still a good show, and it was fun BS'ing with Woody at the sound desk) Ted From AgentOF at AOL.COM Tue Dec 2 23:26:09 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:26:09 -0500 Subject: BOC: New Releases Message-ID: Manuel, According to the Records, you paid $23.00, and I know the cool picture you sent me of Buck and Eric (SEE Era:-) was worth well over $ .99 ;-) BTW, thanks to everyone who's made such nice comments about the video. It makes me glad I didn't give up on it. It's probably the hardest thing I've ever done. Did anyone see the special on music helping curing cancer? Things have a habit of coming to light all at once from completely different sources. chuck http://www.ultrawave.com/rose/ Miracles DO Happen, Take One From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Wed Dec 3 00:07:43 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:07:43 -0800 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: > > >Part of rock'n'roll's *purpose* is to shock and disgust the older > generation. > > Well, some may believe that, but that never was it for me. Rock and roll > is/was/will_always_be about music, Hear, hear, John! Thanks. During my metal phase, if I had just wanted to shock might parents or whomever, I would have only needed a few really gruesome albums, right? But, 300 albums?? There must have been something about the music there... Charlie From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Dec 3 00:12:52 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 00:12:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Snow Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-02 08:13:48 EST, you write: << Brian and I are from the same hometown, so the bullshit, and the snow, can get pretty deep. That winter, they actually closed the office and let us go home. It took me 2-1/2 hours to drive 5 miles to get home that day, 2 of them to go about the first mile and a half! Eventually, the snow in my back yard approached 6 feet in depth... >> Ah, the good old days...:-) We never quite had it that good, but we did have a couple of feet on the ground already here (central PA) when the blizzard hit, and dumped another 28 inches on us in the space of a day...it was great! Ironically, a year later (almost to the day) we happened to be caught in the thin band of heavy snow that always seems to miss us, and got 28 inches from one storm AGAIN! Ah...I'll always cherish the winters of '93 and '94...:-) It's usually cold, brown and ugly here, like right now... Unfortunately, those years were record-breakers here...I'd like to live someplace where I could COUNT on having 100-inch-plus yearly snowfall totals... SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Dec 3 00:21:54 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 00:21:54 -0500 Subject: Imaginos' Second Act--no Maine in Astronomy! :-) Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-02 13:44:51 EST, you write: << 2. Look at the continuity of the songs on the disc: 2 references to Maine in Cagey Cretins and Astronomy, both describing the loneliness of the place. There are no references to Maine in Astronomy...the line you're probably thinking of is "silver scrapes in May." And Cagey Cretins was written by Richard Meltzer, not Pearlman. (Although note that the liner notes to Secret Treaties mention the Career of Evil, which Patti Smith wrote the lyrics to...I wonder if the title was created by Pearlman and she used that as the starting point for the song, or if Pearlman or whoever wrote the liner notes just decided to stick that song title in there...). SET From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Wed Dec 3 00:47:56 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:47:56 -0600 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: Hello. Marilyn Manson and NIN both disgust me, and I am 24 years old. (MAN!) Damon P.S.: Of course, if you're -looking- for disgusting, then try Cannibal Corpse. From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Dec 3 01:56:47 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 01:56:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: Snow and Australia Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-02 23:59:11 EST, you write: << No snow but there really bad bushfires near sydney. We are just into the first week of summer and they are predicting it to be very dry and hot we have already had 40 degrees here in melbourne a couple of weeks ago. >> Yeah, I saw on the news about the all the smoke from the fires....but for a second there I was thinking 40? Brrrr! before remembering about that Fahrenheit/Celsius thing...:-) SET From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 3 05:35:04 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:35:04 +0000 Subject: OFF: Swearing In-Reply-To: <2188424.3090067106@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <2188424.3090067106 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, "Carl E. Anderson" writes > Well, it undoubtedly predates Wallace, though whether anyone might >have used it in that context is debateable. It's earliest recorded use is >borrowed into Latin to describe the impious conduct of some monks--at Ely, >I think, actually. > It might have been there used not so much as an obscenity in the >modern sense, but as a secular word to underline the improperly secular >activity of the monks. > >Cheers, >Carl I was led to believe it was circa 13thC and was an acronym for Fornicate Under Command of the King. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 3 05:50:07 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:50:07 +0000 Subject: HW, BOC: Names In-Reply-To: <199712030202.CAA29795@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199712030202.CAA29795 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge writes > If the founder >members of Hawkwind say the name was created by a guy that farted and >spat then fine - it may sound socially offensive but that's what the >band were at the time I still do not believe this. As Dave mentioned in the Sniffin ' Flowers interview, there is a esoteric meaning. > >Hawkwind were considered Dangerous to Society. This was not a safe >band to be associated with. We should remember that. And acknowledge >and appreciate what they did. Don't try to change that, please. I also believe that the meaning / reference is *even more dangerous*. It implies reading among others, Crowley, and the great majority of people who take the guy seriously will not be drawn on the subject and will pass it off as a joke. I am convinced the Hawk in question is Horus. The Aeon of Horus started just after the turn of the century and is roughly analogous to the Age Of Aquarius. Could be bollocks, but you can bet Dave and Nik are aware of the reference. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 3 06:09:53 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:09:53 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971202232122.0305ab88@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971202232122.0305ab88 at online.no>, Christian Mumford writes >After seeing them live last spring I don't think anything can be worse than >Kula Shaker! Anyone notice the encrypted swastika in their logo and >connected it with the lead guy's skinhead past!? Hippies my ass!!! :-) > >Christian No really, Chrispian is a dumb hippie schmucko alright. And it was Marcus from his earlier band Objects of Desire, who came from my home town who was in the National Front at 15. The guy is an enormous tit, but he has been a Krishna for 18 years now, people do grow up. Chrispian has no such affiliations, never has, he is just not very bright, and thought he could pull the "swastika isn't an inherantly nazi symbol" routine. He fucked up, because, hey *IT IS NOW* ! BTW Chris, how do you feel then about Lemmy using the swastika, then? -- Jon Browne who can't believe he's defending a band he doesn't particularly care for. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 3 06:08:32 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:08:32 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <01BCFF6C.6C82E600.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BCFF6C.6C82E600.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andy Gilham writes >> BTW, Cast (UK) isn't as bad as Andy makes out either !! > >OK, I admit it, "worse than Kula Shaker" was a teensy bit harsh... :) just to leap in here, Cast *are* that bad, but Kula Shaker aren't *that* bad. With regard to Cast, there's only one band allowed to rhyme Flying with Trying and Dying (or similar)! -- Jon ObCD Litter - $100 Fine From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 3 06:33:59 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:33:59 -0000 Subject: HW, BOC: Names Message-ID: > obApologyInAdvance> ok I'm drunk - sorry! Don't worry, so was I (Rolling Rock and Tomb Raider II not necessarily a recommended combination, but I least I got my Uzis back - stil haven't got the hang of the harpoon gun though), anyway!, while I can just about imagine them sitting around getting stoned, Turner lets off a deadly one, Dave or someone goes "beware the wind of the hawk-nosed one" or something, and there you go, it still (for me!) doesn't have the ring of truth - I'd have let it lie except that I wonder what that Lanois song is all about? And if there's a common origin for what is an unusual phrase? (Still, much better to argue about this and not the incarnate existence of Supreme Evil :))) I'm glad you raised the point about HW being subversive and counter-cultural, which they really were - I can't claim to have ever been part of the counter-culture myself, more a case of cheering from the sidelines like so many others, but one of the things that attracted me to them were that were so obviously the *real thing* (not a bunch of bourgeois public schoolboys like too many other bands, no names mentioned!) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 07:17:22 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:17:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) Message-ID: Steven: >Unfortunately, those years were record-breakers here...I'd like to live >someplace where I could COUNT on having 100-inch-plus yearly snowfall >totals... I've got to tell you this: I'll never learn how much an inch is! 2.2 cm? When you Anglicans are telling me how tall you are, how much snow it will fall etc I don't understand a shit. :-( You can be dwarfs all of you, what do I know? And those strange "miles" then... you're writing 'bout how far it is from your town to the place where tBS or some other band will play... but I just don't get it... when I'm reading your figures it seems to me like the concert can take place anywhere 'tween another continent and your backyard! Come on! What's wrong with the metric system?!? Inch, yard, feet, pint, quarter pounder cheese etc - rubbish from the stone age! :-) :-) :-) mvh - Daniel Wikdahl 185cm 83kg 1mm snow (it fell this morning :-( 400km from Stockholm 1500m from my flat, which is 63.5 kvm "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 07:35:42 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:35:42 GMT Subject: OFF: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) In-Reply-To: Daniel Wikdahl's message of Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:17:22 +0100 Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl writes: > I'll never learn how much an inch is! 2.2 cm? 2.4cm > And those strange "miles" then... you're writing 'bout how far it is > from your town to the place where tBS or some other band will play... > but I just don't get it... when I'm reading your figures it seems to > me like the concert can take place anywhere 'tween another continent > and your backyard! Come on! What's wrong with the metric system?!? > Inch, yard, feet, pint, quarter pounder cheese etc - rubbish from the > stone age! :-) :-) :-) You're luck we decimalised money. It used to be 12 pennies in a shilling. 5 shillings in a crown, and four crowns in a Pound. Coins were in denominations of: farthings: 1/4 penny halfpennies pennies twopennies threepennies sixpennies shillings Florins: two shillings half crowns: two and a half shillings Crowns: five shillings Ten bob notes: ten shillings Pounds Although certain payments were in Guineas rather than Pounds. A Guinea was a Pound and a shilling. This system was popularly known as "LSD" as L was the symbol for Pounds, S for Shillings, and D for pennies. The good part was of course that since there were 240 pennies in a Pound, a Pound could be wholly fractioned in various ways that aren't possible post decimalisation. We should really go back to the sensible currency system we used to have. > mvh - Daniel Wikdahl 185cm 83kg 1mm snow (it FoFP From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 07:42:26 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:42:26 +0100 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: >No really, Chrispian is a dumb hippie schmucko alright. And it was >Marcus from his earlier band Objects of Desire, who came from my home >town who was in the National Front at 15. The guy is an enormous tit, >but he has been a Krishna for 18 years now, people do grow up. >Chrispian has no such affiliations, never has, he is just not very >bright, and thought he could pull the "swastika isn't an inherantly nazi >symbol" routine. He fucked up, because, hey *IT IS NOW* ! Agree! > >BTW Chris, how do you feel then about Lemmy using the swastika, then? This is something I find very interesting! WHY is he using it? ... at least in Sweden lots of nazi Skinheads like Motorhead and AFAK it's not the music alone that attracts them - it's the music together with the WWII/nazisymbolism. >who can't believe he's defending a band he doesn't particularly care for. Well, their "Hush" cover is splendid. _I_ could defend them only because of that... :-) mvh - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 3 06:48:54 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 07:48:54 EDT Subject: OFF: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971203121722.0094dacc@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: > From: Daniel Wikdahl > > I've got to tell you this: > I'll never learn how much an inch is! 2.2 cm? > When you Anglicans are telling me how tall you are, how much snow it will > fall etc I don't understand a shit. :-( > You can be dwarfs all of you, what do I know? Seeing as how every Scandinavian I've ever met is about 6-foot-6, I suspect we all ARE dwarves compared to you! > And those strange "miles" then... you're writing 'bout how far it is > from your town to the place where tBS or some other band will play... but > I just don't get it... when I'm reading your figures it seems to me like > the concert can take place anywhere 'tween another continent and your backyard! You gotta remember that this place is BIG! When I saw tBS two weeks ago, it took about 2hours 15 mins. Maybe it's better to use time vs distance to measure? I'm thinking maybe 150 km? > Come on! What's wrong with the metric system?!? > Inch, yard, feet, pint, quarter pounder cheese etc > - rubbish from the stone age! :-) :-) :-) > We were supposed to adopt the metric system about 20 years ago! They do use it some in Canada, mainly for distance. I don't know if they use metric weight measurement there. The only people who use metric consistently here are whiskey distillers! So they can give you a smaller bottle for the same price... > mvh - Daniel Wikdahl > 185cm 83kg > 1mm snow (it fell this morning :-( > 400km from Stockholm > 1500m from my flat, which is 63.5 kvm > > > theo 195cm, 100 kilos 8km from home About a million km from NYC! 6 hours if you're lucky theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 3 06:50:20 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 07:50:20 EDT Subject: OFF: Snow In-Reply-To: <199712030057.LAA05317@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: > From: Martyn Lawrence > No snow but there really bad bushfires near sydney. > We are just into the first week of summer and they are predicting it > to be very dry and hot we have already had 40 degrees here in melbourne > a couple of weeks ago. > > regards > > Marty > Hey, did Norman win the Oz Open? theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 3 08:43:59 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 05:43:59 PST Subject: HW, BOC: Names - Imaginos, God and Church of HW Message-ID: >>Andy Gilham writes: >>> You know, I never really believed either of the "official" stories about >>> the origins of the names "Hawkwind" or "Blue Oyster Cult". >>I'm afraid I believe absolutely (given the state of the people and the >>state of mind of that period!) in the Hawkwind story. Elegant though >>it might be to believe in an esoteric origin for the Hawkwind name I >>regret that humanity prevails and we have to accept reality and late >>1960s for this....... >- I'd have let it lie except that I wonder what that Lanois song is all about? > And if there's a common origin for what is an unusual phrase? >I'm glad you raised the point about HW being subversive and >counter-cultural, which they really were >Hawkwind were considered Dangerous to Society. This was not a safe >band to be associated with. We should remember that. And acknowledge >and appreciate what they did. Don't try to change that, please. >I still do not believe this. As Dave mentioned in the Sniffin' >Flowers interview, there is a esoteric meaning. Is this not the rational mind over the emotive mind? Is this not the age-old "There is a God/There is NO God" argument? Or the Darwinian/Genesis loggerhead??? Here, we've got two sides. Both totally happy with the end result, but at utter odds over the original conception. On one hand the rational mind says: "It is the basic SpitFart. There is no more. We might like for there to be more, but we should be satisfied with th truth as it is." Yet on the other hand, we have the philosophical mind (paranoid X-Files mind?) saying: "That's all very well and good, but I do want more, an dlookee here, I just found out this, which seems to connect point and A to point B, and oh look here's point C which snicks into my theory nicely. What do you think of that then? the implications from what Mr X said in 197x seem to indicate a knowledge of point D which would lead me to believe there are parallels with points E and F..." And there before your very eyes is a brand new belief system! Is this not how religions get started? Check out Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction after his "Divine Intervention" from one event, he built an entire religious structure, which led him to change his entire life. As I mentioned in a post earlier, about Imaginos, check out Umberto Eco's book Foucault's Pendulum, which is basically about the human need for meaning. It makes some people try to live other lives by watching soaps, and it makes some people try to build massive Myth Cycles from nothing but half-imagined hints and references from occult-ish books. I think that since the Church of Hawkwind exists, I can consider my point PROVED! (*G*) Chris. the Phantom Raspberry Blower of Old London Town. --Remember - Armageddon started quietly. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 3 08:56:18 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 05:56:18 PST Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: >>he is just not very >>bright, and thought he could pull the "swastika isn't an inherantly nazi >>symbol" routine. He fucked up, because, hey *IT IS NOW* ! > >Agree! > >> >>BTW Chris, how do you feel then about Lemmy using the swastika, then? > >This is something I find very interesting! WHY is he using it? >... at least in Sweden lots of nazi Skinheads like Motorhead and >AFAK it's not the music alone that attracts them - it's the music >together with the WWII/nazisymbolism. Does all this not point a little towards people seeing the imagery (which is second-hand at this point, having already been taken one step away from Fascism by people using it as an accessory or logo) and thinking "woo coooool" and just slapping a swastika sticker on their guitar, than seeing one of those funky army surplus stores selling weighty metal Malteese Cross and thinking "wooo coool" and buying it and pinning it on their army surplus combat jacket which they bought last week. And hey presto, they look just like their favourite punk or metal icons. Brain bypassed, no thought given to the actual meaning behind what they now look like. I mean, Lemmy is an intelligent dude, but I think he's showing a curious anomaly of thought here. -- The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society - http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 3 09:03:33 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:03:33 -0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: > >BTW Chris, how do you feel then about Lemmy using the swastika, then? > > This is something I find very interesting! WHY is he using it? I thought the swastika had been quietly dropped from the Motorhead "head" - precisely because people got the wrong idea. Silly really - no-one thinks Sid Vicious was a Nazi, do they? -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Dec 2 21:37:37 1997 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 02:37:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Daniel Wikdahl writes: > > > I'll never learn how much an inch is! 2.2 cm? > > 2.4cm > 2.54cm. As in the reworked version of the "Inchworm" song. "2.54 centimetre worm". Cheers, Rich. ObThingToDoTonight: Go to Pigs Ear beer festival, Stratford, E15 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 3 09:51:00 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:51:00 -0500 Subject: HW, BOC: Names Message-ID: >And searching for the phrase "Blue Oyster", without "Cult" (or "Point", because you get lists of seafood) found me a seller of gay T-shirts, and a gay chat-room, at which point I stopped (for the time being, anyway...!) I wonder if they just took the name from _Police Academy_, or there's something more mysterious going on? I wouldn't put it past Pearlman to slide in some obscure jargon... I'm not sure. I think the poem, Blue Oyster Cult, part of the Soft Doctrines of Imaginos, was written back circa 1967, so the name was already in existence. And the lyrics to "Blue Oyster Cult" don't strike me as having anything to do with homosexuality (then again, BOCs lyrics have always been left up to wide interpretation - until recent years, how many of us knew what "dizbuster" was all about?). John From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 09:55:49 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:55:49 +0100 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: >Does all this not point a little towards people seeing the imagery >(which is second-hand at this point, having already been taken one step >away from Fascism by people using it as an accessory or logo) and >thinking "woo coooool" and just slapping a swastika sticker on their >guitar, than seeing one of those funky army surplus stores selling >weighty metal Malteese Cross and thinking "wooo coool" and buying it and >pinning it on their army surplus combat jacket which they bought last >week. Well, maybe sometimes [I remember a mediadebate in the '80s when one of Swedens (then) most popular female popsinger wore a Malteese Cross on her leather jacket... it made her look like a Junkerpilot on the stage... and like a fool in the papers, when she said "This has nothing to do with nazism, it's just to make me look cool." A Malteese Cross is not only a common symbol in nazism, it's also used in various of other contexts, I know that and I have no problem to understand when it's used to "look cool" or when it's used as a nazi reference. But lots of people doesn't make any difference, and every person with normal intelligence knows that and are careful when they use symbols.] But Skinheads hardly use Swastikas (or Malteese Crosses) just to look cool, they are very well aware of them as nazisymbols. Of course, 'cos that's why they are wearing them... BTW, am I the only one who has a problem with understanding the revisionists? (I hope that's what you call it in English - people who denies the holocaust) > And hey presto, they look just like their favourite punk or metal >icons. Brain bypassed, no thought given to the actual meaning behind >what they now look like. "Brain bypassed. No thought given." - sounds like a good blanga refrain! :-) >I mean, Lemmy is an intelligent dude, but I think he's showing a curious >anomaly of thought here. Yes. But I wonder if he still wears Swastikas... or if it just on old pics... I'm really curious 'cos this is something me and my friends have discussed in years but we have never come to a conclusion. mvh - Daniel Wikdahl "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 10:06:33 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:06:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 13.17 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > I've got to tell you this: > I'll never learn how much an inch is! 2.2 cm? 2.54 cm > And those strange "miles" then... you're writing 'bout how far it is > from your town to the place where tBS or some other band will play... > Come on! What's wrong with the metric system?!? > Inch, yard, feet, pint, quarter pounder cheese etc > - rubbish from the stone age! :-) :-) :-) Yes, but it all makes a lovely logical system if you don't use decimal notation (and even better if you _do_ use base 12) :) It's all to do with dividing things in half or in thirds or in fourths (halves twice). A gallon has 4 quarts, each of which has 2 pints, each of which has 4 gills, each of which has 2 tablespoons, each of which has 2 dessertspoons, each of which has 1 teaspoon (each of which has 2 thimblefuls). Or it would be lovely and neat if Edward I of England hadn't buggered it up by trying to reconcile a variety of local variants rather gracelessly :) A mile _ought_ to have 4800 feet, but thanks to the Statute for Measuring Land of 1305, a mile has 5280 feet, thanks to compromises on the length of a foot. The Imperial foot is 30.48 cm, but the foot _ought_ to be 33.528 cm. That way a mile would have 8 furlongs (one furlong being 40 rods, each of 15 feet). That's the short and simple explanation anyway :) I'll never learn to understand metric temperatures--especially since people living in East Anglia seem to have a different understanding about what "hot" and "cold" seem to mean than people did where I grew up :) Actually, I think the most sensible temperature scale would make 0 water's freezing point and 100 human body temperature. That would create weather reports I could relate to! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 10:02:38 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:02:38 +0100 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: Andy Gilham: >I thought the swastika had been quietly dropped from the Motorhead "head" - Are you sure? And I can't remember a swastika on the monsterhead, only malteese crosses. But Lemmy himself wore (wears?) _swastikas_ . >precisely because people got the wrong idea. I hope so. > Silly really - no-one thinks >Sid Vicious was a Nazi, do they? No, but I think it's even more silly to wear a swastika if you're not a nazi. mvh - Daniel Wikdahl "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 10:14:45 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:14:45 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 05.56 +0000 "Hoarse Whisperer" wrote: > I mean, Lemmy is an intelligent dude, but I think he's showing a curious > anomaly of thought here. Not really, IMO. He's fascinated by Man's inhumanity to Man, and so collects various memoribilia of the two world wars--especially Nazi memoribilia. Not what I would do, but I understand his logic. I don't think anyone would call him a Nazi within his hearing though! Certainly not more than once :) Motorhead's lyrics are certainly not in keeping with facist ideology. ape shall not kill ape, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 10:17:48 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:17:48 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 14.03 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: >> >BTW Chris, how do you feel then about Lemmy using the swastika, then? >> >> This is something I find very interesting! WHY is he using it? > > I thought the swastika had been quietly dropped from the Motorhead "head" - > precisely because people got the wrong idea. Silly really - no-one thinks > Sid Vicious was a Nazi, do they? Quite! And the swastika _was_ silently removed from Motorhead iconography, since the unwashed masses weren't quite able to grasp the subtle point underlying its use there. Mind you, it only makes that point in countries familiar with Nazi ideology. In the rest of the world it's still a good-luck symbol. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Wed Dec 3 10:16:41 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:16:41 +1100 Subject: OFF: Snow Message-ID: At 07:50 AM 3/12/97 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: >> >Hey, did Norman win the Oz Open? No, he did not. Westwood won in a long drawn out playoff against him. Troy > > > >theo >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >"...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." >v.vega > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 10:23:32 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:23:32 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 15.55 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > A Malteese Cross is not only a common symbol in nazism, it's also used in > various of other contexts, I know that and I have no problem to understand > when it's used to "look cool" or when it's used as a nazi reference. > But lots of people doesn't make any difference, and every person with normal > intelligence knows that and are careful when they use symbols.] Well, the Maltese cross was never consider by Nazi's to be a symbol of Nazism in the way that the swastika was. The Maltese cross was simply retained by the Nazis from the iconography of Imperial Germany. > BTW, am I the only one who has a problem with understanding the revisionists? > (I hope that's what you call it in English - people who denies the holocaust) That's what it is called in English. Well, just because something doesn't make sense doesn't keep people from believing it! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 10:27:37 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:27:37 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 16.02 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > No, but I think it's even more silly to wear a swastika if you're not > a nazi. Well, unless you are a Hindu, Navaho, etc. One of the peoples in the world for whom it remains a religious good-luck symbol. Up until it was adopted by the Nazis, the swastika was one of the most widely used good-luck symbols in the world. It actually remains in use in Euro-American contexts in forms sufficiently different from the common Nazi one that no one notices. The "Pennsylvania Dutch" hex signs often use "swirly" versions of the swastika, and the three-armed "triskele" is effectively the same symbol. folklorically, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 3 11:02:57 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:02:57 -0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: On Wednesday, December 03, 1997 3:03 PM, Daniel Wikdahl [SMTP:mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE] wrote: > Andy Gilham: > >I thought the swastika had been quietly dropped from the Motorhead > >"head" - > > Are you sure? > And I can't remember a swastika on the monsterhead, only malteese crosses. A little one, on one of the spikes on the forehead (sort of). As well as the big "Cross of Iron" hanging off the side, obviously... i read something about this on the "Lemmy speaks" section on the Motorhead home page (http://www.imotorhead.com). I was just paraphrasing Lemmy really... > No, but I think it's even more silly to wear a swastika if you're not > a nazi. Well - it's back to the "shock rock" thing I'm afraid... I suppose Sid wore his Wehrmacht cap just to upset people. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 11:08:01 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:08:01 +0100 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: At 03:27 PM 12/3/97 +0000, Carl wrote: >On ons 3 dec 1997 16.02 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > >> No, but I think it's even more silly to wear a swastika if you're not >> a nazi. > > Well, unless you are a Hindu, Navaho, etc. Yeah, or if you're a Viking. :-) (Sadly enough, the Skinheads in Scandinavia have adopted Viking symbolism, mythology etc... so they can always claim they're wearing Swastikas 'cos their are proud of the Scandinavian history, not because they're nazis.) > One of the peoples in the >world for whom it remains a religious good-luck symbol. Up until it was >adopted by the Nazis, the swastika was one of the most widely used >good-luck symbols in the world. > > It actually remains in use in Euro-American contexts in forms >sufficiently different from the common Nazi one that no one notices. The >"Pennsylvania Dutch" hex signs often use "swirly" versions of the >swastika, and the three-armed "triskele" is effectively the same symbol. ... on the other hand I the "triskele" also is used by modern nazigroups in Sweden. Hell, they're using almost every Scandinavian historical/mythological symbol I can think of... even the Swedish flag has become a "property" of rascists and Nazis!!! mvh - Daniel Wikdahl "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed Dec 3 11:18:47 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:18:47 -0500 Subject: BOC...More Imaginos./tBS gigs In-Reply-To: <1549054.3090056475@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl E. Anderson" at Dec 2, 97 01:01:15 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > This Saturday we're playing at Meow Mix in NYC, 269 E. Houston St., (Ave. A > > & B) 212-254-0688 9:30 PM sharp $5 18 w/ID spread the word. > > Will they be showing _Xena_ first? :) I'm going to this show, and hope that I don't get turned away at the door for being so obviously straight. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 3 10:20:08 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:20:08 EDT Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <1076046.3090151657@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: "Carl E. Anderson" > On ons 3 dec 1997 16.02 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > > > No, but I think it's even more silly to wear a swastika if you're not > > a nazi. > > Well, unless you are a Hindu, Navaho, etc. One of the peoples in the > world for whom it remains a religious good-luck symbol. Up until it was > adopted by the Nazis, the swastika was one of the most widely used > good-luck symbols in the world. > > It actually remains in use in Euro-American contexts in forms > sufficiently different from the common Nazi one that no one notices. The > "Pennsylvania Dutch" hex signs often use "swirly" versions of the > swastika, and the three-armed "triskele" is effectively the same symbol. > > folklorically, > Carl > Hasn't it also been used in Korea or Japan? I seem to recall seing a version of the swwastika in some martial arts emblems a while back... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 11:21:34 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:21:34 +0100 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: Andy Gilham: > >A little one, on one of the spikes on the forehead (sort of). As well as >the big "Cross of Iron" hanging off the side, obviously... i read >something about this on the "Lemmy speaks" section on the Motorhead home >page (http://www.imotorhead.com). I was just paraphrasing Lemmy really... Thanks, I'll have a look at that site. > >> No, but I think it's even more silly to wear a swastika if you're not >> a nazi. > >Well - it's back to the "shock rock" thing I'm afraid... I suppose Sid >wore his Wehrmacht cap just to upset people. Probably. But I don't think it's a problem that some people get upset... the problem is that attracts other people, by reasons that wasn't intended by the musician. I doubt one single nazi thought Sid was a nazi, though. But I can understand if someone believes Motorhead is a naziband. mvh - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 11:24:04 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:24:04 GMT Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:27:37 +0000 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > On ons 3 dec 1997 16.02 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > > > No, but I think it's even more silly to wear a swastika if you're not > > a nazi. > > Well, unless you are a Hindu, Navaho, etc. One of the peoples in the > world for whom it remains a religious good-luck symbol. Up until it was > adopted by the Nazis, the swastika was one of the most widely used > good-luck symbols in the world. > > It actually remains in use in Euro-American contexts in forms > sufficiently different from the common Nazi one that no one notices. The > "Pennsylvania Dutch" hex signs often use "swirly" versions of the > swastika, and the three-armed "triskele" is effectively the same symbol. And the 3 legs of the Isle of Man. Am I right in thinking that there's a left handed and a right handed version of the swastika (the short bits point clockwise or anticlockwise) the right handed one being the good luck version - the left handed one being the Nazi one? Or am I just havering again.... uncertainly jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 11:33:07 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:33:07 +0100 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: Calle wrote: > Not really, IMO. He's fascinated by Man's inhumanity to Man, and so >collects various memoribilia of the two world wars--especially Nazi >memoribilia. Not what I would do, > but I understand his logic. I don't >think anyone would call him a Nazi within his hearing though! Certainly >not more than once :) Asch, zen you'll get ze pikkel vrom ze pikkelhelmut in ze h?dd! :-) > Motorhead's lyrics are certainly not in keeping with facist ideology. No, but it's not impossible to misunderstand them. Especially if English not is your native language. And that _together_ with some swastikas... well, you get the idea. > >ape shall not kill ape, No, but it's hard to tell some people that everybody are apes. That a black ape and a white ape both are apes. >Carl > - Danne "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 3 11:34:23 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:34:23 PST Subject: Off: Swastika Lemmy HW Message-ID: >On ons 3 dec 1997 05.56 +0000 "Hoarse Whisperer" wrote: >> I mean, Lemmy is an intelligent dude, but I think he's showing a curious >> anomaly of thought here. > > Not really, IMO. He's fascinated by Man's inhumanity to Man, and so >collects various memoribilia of the two world wars--especially Nazi >memoribilia. Not what I would do, but I understand his logic. I don't >think anyone would call him a Nazi within his hearing though! Certainly >not more than once :) > Motorhead's lyrics are certainly not in keeping with facist ideology. I did not know any of this stuff! Who tells you these things?? Do you have any Lemmy interviews you could share with us, he's seems to be an interesting person, but I never see very much of what he says in print. You have to respect a down'n'dirty rock star who appears as the hero of a life insurance tv commercial. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 3 11:44:54 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:44:54 PST Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: >> BTW, am I the only one who has a problem with understanding the >revisionists? >> (I hope that's what you call it in English - people who denies the >holocaust) > > That's what it is called in English. Well, just because something >doesn't make sense doesn't keep people from believing it! > Apart from ethnic groups which have never ceased to use the swastika and related symbols, it amazes me how persons who use these tokens nowadays can only defend themselves by citing their existence pre-holocaust. A quiet version of this is the difference between "gay" sixty years ago and "gay" today. The meanings which have become attached can never be removed, because to forget is to assume that it can never happen again. Quite how revisionists (to be nice to them) can say "it's a jewish plot to pervert history - it never occurred" simply buggers me. And people believe and trust this??? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 12:01:56 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:01:56 GMT Subject: HW, BOC: Names In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:50:07 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In article <199712030202.CAA29795 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge > writes > > If the founder > >members of Hawkwind say the name was created by a guy that farted and > >spat then fine - it may sound socially offensive but that's what the > >band were at the time > > I still do not believe this. As Dave mentioned in the Sniffin ' Flowers > interview, there is a esoteric meaning. I thought Dave was winding up Bob Calvert at this point! The conversation goes something along the lines of DB describes the formation of the Hawkwind name and then refers its mythical story connection to Bob who goes "What?" and the conversation shifts tack rather abruptly after that. However this is hardly conclusive evidence I grant you! For myself, I've never seen Brock in any way as a mystic kinda person. He's just one of the original founding members of the band and on that basis I'll accept that when he describes the first formation of the name then he's likely to be telling the truth. If he ever comes out with a mystical explanation for the name Hawkwind that he insists is the *real* truth then I guess I'd accept that but until then I'll stick with what he's said so far! Yrs mundanely jill Obcompromise?> I agree to differ 8-) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Dec 3 10:59:19 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:59:19 -0500 Subject: off/other: KC's _The Night Watch_? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971201233047.006dc424@mcmail.com> from "Chris Warburton" at Dec 1, 97 11:30:47 pm Message-ID: Hello-- > >>>ObCDplayer--_The Night Watch_ by King Crimson (snip) > >Its a 2 CD DGM approved set housing the Concertbugow (spelling is probably > >wrong here) show which formed the essential parts of the LP _Starless and > >Bible Black_. For more info, check out the DGM homepage : > >www.discipline.co.uk (click on the heart). (snip) > Concertgebouw > > ChrisW (formerly resident in Vlaanderen) > > P.S. It transliterates as "concert building" Well, it was live at the Amsterdam Concert Building then. :-) Great album, though a tad short for two CDs (a little over 80 minutes). The second CD is "enhanced", and has a nice audio/visual sampler of other Discipline Global Mobile releases (including the MUST HAVE _Caves of the Iron Mountain_ by Steve Gorn, Tony Levin, and Jerry Marotta). Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Dec 3 12:26:15 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:26:15 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: New Web Pages] Message-ID: -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Subject: New Web Pages Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 16:42:49 -0700 Size: 2430 URL: From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Dec 3 11:24:49 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:24:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: from "BREVARD, Adrian R." at Dec 2, 97 08:01:41 am Message-ID: lil ab says-- > Manson, GWAR and the like are simply following the trend of appealing to > the lowest common denominator. The real shame of it all is that our > children our overloaded with this mega bombardment of negative images. You may have a point there--but rather than limit the choice of the adult to be bombarded by these "negative images", parents should, well, parent. Let's not have Big Brother telling us what we can or cannot see. IMHO, a far more dangerous and insidious form of image bombardment comes to us every day through our television sets. I think the main role of TV is to turn us into a bunch of consumer sheep who can be easily controlled. Pink Floyd's _Animals_ ain't too far off. > Each and every parent needs to be on guard against this assulat on our > children. My kids don't listen to Manson or Gwar becuase THEY have no > desire to. They saw footage of GWAR and thought they were clowns. They ARE clowns! I don't know much about GWAR, but I get the impression that they are just doing a "comic book" thing, and that they don't take themselves seriously. It's a theater of the absurd. > Well > grounded kids and I'm proud of them. If you have concerns about the > impact of this stuff on your kids talk to them about it, keep the lines > of communication open with them. Amen. If you're a parent, you have a tremendous responsibility. Passing that responsibility to anyone else (i.e., the government) is a cop out. > As for me I lump those guys in the categopry of music that just dosen't > interest me, its not good or bad. Ditto. Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From bcash at ESSC.PSU.EDU Wed Dec 3 13:02:50 1997 From: bcash at ESSC.PSU.EDU (Benjamin Cash) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:02:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) In-Reply-To: <1000050.3090150393@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl E. Anderson" at Dec 3, 97 03:06:33 pm Message-ID: > Actually, I think the most sensible temperature scale would make 0 > water's freezing point and 100 human body temperature. That would create > weather reports I could relate to! Ah yes, but who's body temperature? The average body temperature varies considerably, both with time and from person to person. Not to mention the merry hell that this would raise with those of us using temperature for more than 'is it cold out?' ;) Ben Cash Dept. of Meteorology The Pennsylvania State University From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 3 12:12:25 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:12:25 EDT Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <19971203164454.14362.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: From: Hoarse Whisperer > > Apart from ethnic groups which have never ceased to use the swastika and > related symbols, it amazes me how persons who use these tokens nowadays > can only defend themselves by citing their existence pre-holocaust. A > quiet version of this is the difference between "gay" sixty years ago > and "gay" today. > The meanings which have become attached can never be removed, because to > forget is to assume that it can never happen again. > Quite how revisionists (to be nice to them) can say "it's a jewish plot > to pervert history - it never occurred" simply buggers me. And people > believe and trust this??? > Plus a lot of people are apathetic toward the holocaust for other reasons. A buddy of mine's Ukrainian. He says: Holocaust?, big deal! Stalin slaughtered twice as many Ukrainians and nobody ever says a word about it. And we all know what Mr. Farakhan and other think about the holocaust... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 3 12:15:18 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:15:18 EDT Subject: Off: Swastika Lemmy HW In-Reply-To: <19971203163424.1931.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: >> From: Hoarse Whisperer >> I mean, Lemmy is an intelligent dude, but I think he's showing a > curious > >> anomaly of thought here. > > > > Not really, IMO. He's fascinated by Man's inhumanity to Man, and > so > >collects various memoribilia of the two world wars--especially Nazi > >memoribilia. Not what I would do, but I understand his logic. I don't > >think anyone would call him a Nazi within his hearing though! > Certainly > >not more than once :) > > Motorhead's lyrics are certainly not in keeping with facist > ideology. > > I did not know any of this stuff! Who tells you these things?? Do you > have any Lemmy interviews you could share with us, he's seems to be an > interesting person, but I never see very much of what he says in print. > You have to respect a down'n'dirty rock star who appears as the hero of > a life insurance tv commercial. > > Chris. > I'd love to see that one! I have read interviews with Lemmy, and he's definitely a history buff, and a knowledgeable one at that. And many Motorhead songs are certainly anti-militarist, and satirize humanity's inhumanity toward itself... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 3 14:11:42 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 20:11:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! In-Reply-To: <19971203135619.8751.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: People, people, just having read one of these posts replying to my quip about Kula Shaker's logo: I was JOKING! I will make a few things clear: 1) The Nazis STOLE the Swastika, a solar symbol. They don't OWN it. Letting them keep it is like giving them the privilige of stealing and keeping a copyright on a symbol which they abused to kill, rather than using it to respect their place on this world and the people on it. 2) Nazi imagery, re: Lemmy etc. At one Motorhead gig I was at in USA all these skinheads obviously misunderstood and brought pamphlets with racist propaganda. This pissed off the rest of us and I sure hope those snots got their asses kicked the bikers present at the show afterwards. The bikers who weren't Nazis that is :) Lemmy's fascination with WWII is very much similar to my own I think: what can cause the greatest collective outburst of psychosis in history and subsequently mass killing? Theories abound, but some mighty force it was, and ultimately, people. The world isn't nice, people should not forget what our power is capable of. Personally I don't have the balls to wear swastikas, but occasionally I will will make fun of Nazis, or parody them, sometimes I will even say base, crude things about ethnic stereotypes. Because I think it's FUNNY. I find the stereotypes as funny as I feel as strongly about individuals not being defined by their ethnic origins. 3) Kula Shaker: I cracked a dumb joke about a band I think sucks. Personally I love the novel idea that they secretly worship visions of the third reich and have bizarre blood rituals to the reading of Mein Kampf, that whatshisface is a total psycho nutter with a hard-on for Hitler under those velvet flares. Haha. I crack myself up sometimes :) I'll wade thru all these posts when I have the time, and see if there's anything else I haven't covered my ass about. I haven't even read the latest bloody incarnation of The Truth Is Out There! And I started that one too... abeit my original post was more about the definition of acid rock, and that it is illegal to manufacture the sounds that make acid rock, and that the early Pink Floyd records are illegal!!!!!!!!!! Of course people jumped on the religious content, was amusing but used as "filler" to lead up to the whole Acid Rock definition....! with all good intentions, Christian (finding myself shouting and sometimes even laughing) PS: theo: feel free to post my little poetic outburst on apple pies! :) From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 3 14:23:00 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 20:23:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Kula Shaker for trade Message-ID: I have a copy of Kula Shaker's splendid "K" CD I want to trade off. Anybody want it? I'll sign it if they'd like :) Christian PS: I'm serious here!! From chip at PCC.COM Wed Dec 3 14:48:51 1997 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:48:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: <9712031624.AA20150@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> from "Guido Vacano" at Dec 3, 97 11:24:49 am Message-ID: > > Each and every parent needs to be on guard against this assulat on our > > children. My kids don't listen to Manson or Gwar becuase THEY have no > > desire to. They saw footage of GWAR and thought they were clowns. The irony of this statement appearing on a BOC discussion list is too much to bear (as I think about Albert wearing his Khomeni mask or the "SATANIC SYMBOL" our parents were warned about). The comments made on this list the last few days really shock me in terms of their lack of perspective. I mean, the same things were said about Bach, Mozart, Stravinski, Elvis, The Beatles, Led Zep, Sabbath, and Motley Crue. And many more. Doesn't ANYONE remember Lennon's "Jesus" comment from years ago? That makes the shock value of Marilyn Manson PALE by comparison (no pun intended). Get some perspective, guys, please! As for GWAR, apparently some people don't realize it *IS* a joke. It's a bunch of UVA art students, as I remember. It's SUPPOSED to have a "Stonehedge" quality to it. I think they accidentally sold more records than they intended. If you don't believe me, compare GWAR's "Salaminizer" [GREAT song] to NWA's "Gangsta Gangsta." What a riot - space aliens doing an Ice Cube parody. Now *that* is art. If you want some really "disturbing" music, check out someone who did it for real: GG Allin. Hasel Adkins has a few good ones, too. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Dec 3 14:52:59 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:52:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) Message-ID: > Actually, I think the most sensible temperature scale would make 0 >water's freezing point and 100 human body temperature. That would create >weather reports I could relate to! Actually, it would have been if Mr. Fahreneit had lived in an area with clean water. The 100 is the human body temp (I think he measured that by jabbing it into open veins of bleeding prisoner/"volunteers") but he couldn't get water to freeze at a consistant temperature due to the fact that the water where he lived was (unbeknownst to him) rather polluted. The zero he used was based on what some seawater he had turned "slushy" at, IIRC. Now, how can we get this metric argument back towards BOC or HW? About the only unit of distance I can think off offhand is a "lightyear of love".... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 3 13:53:17 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:53:17 EDT Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971203201142.0305de6c@online.no> Message-ID: > From: Christian Mumford > > 1) The Nazis STOLE the Swastika, a solar symbol. They don't OWN it. > Letting them keep it is like giving them the privilige of stealing > and keeping a copyright on a symbol which they abused to kill, rather > than using it to respect their place on this world and the people on > it. > Right! The swastika is a nazi symbol only if we allow it to be one. Better to paint swastikas on every wall so that it will cese to have any meaning or power for hate mongers. If we cower in fear at the sight of it, we are doing exactly what the evil bastards want us to do! > 2) Nazi imagery, re: Lemmy etc. At one Motorhead gig I was at in USA > all these skinheads obviously misunderstood and brought pamphlets with > racist propaganda. This pissed off the rest of us and I sure hope > those snots got their asses kicked the bikers present at the show > afterwards. The bikers who weren't Nazis that is :) Lemmy's fascination > with WWII is very much similar to my own I think: what can cause the > greatest collective outburst of psychosis in history and subsequently > mass killing? Theories abound, but some mighty force it was, and > ultimately, people. The world isn't nice, people should not forget > what our power is capable of. Personally I don't have the balls to wear > swastikas, but occasionally I will will make fun of Nazis, or parody > them, sometimes I will even say base, crude things about ethnic stereotypes. > Because I think it's FUNNY. I find the stereotypes as funny as I feel as > strongly about individuals not being defined by their ethnic origins. > Ah...the Howard Stern defense. Well I'm a big fan of his, and I agree with it. My take is that humanity is one big self-parody. Why respect a species that doesn't even respect itself? Look around. What we're doing to this planet and ourselves is the ultimate absurdity. We respect nothing. We eat the dead bodies of fellow creatures simply because we have invented technology that allows us to do so. [no i'm not a vegetarian] Better to laugh at everything or nothing at all... > PS: theo: feel free to post my little poetic outburst on apple pies! :) I'm scrambling for it as we speak! theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From mpower at FCMC.COM Wed Dec 3 15:01:05 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:01:05 -0500 Subject: Origins of the BOC symbol Message-ID: Now, on to the BOC symbol, which BOC maintained was the ancient symbol for Kronos. | | ---.--- \ \_/ I have never before seen this symbol, except in relation to BOC, does anyone have a pre-BOC reference? Saturn is the Roman name for Kronos, the Greek God of time, armed with a Scythe or Sickle and an Hour-Glass (Old father Time). This is the planetary symbol for Saturn: | -|- |/\ | / There is some similarity here, even so far as orientation. Does anyone have more data, or more ideas on this? In Space we Trust, Marc. Obtrack: Veteran of the Psychic Wars -- SpaceRock Central - featuring the extraordinary music of B0RN to G0 and Alien Planetscapes. (site in progress). "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." From mpower at FCMC.COM Wed Dec 3 15:00:56 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:00:56 -0500 Subject: Maltese Cross not a Nazi symbol. Message-ID: The Swastika was co-opted and adopted as a Nazi Emblem. The Maltese cross is the shape of the cross that was used by the Knights of Malta. The German Iron Cross Medal is in the shape of a Maltese Cross, this shape was used as a German National Emblem on the sides and and wings of aircraft etc. Remember the Red Baron. It was given as a decoration prior to Nazism and therefore is not a Nazi symbol or emblem. I believe WWII era Iron Crosses were also emblazoned with a central swastika and thus bear a Nazi emblem. Just my point of clarification, lest we become confused on this emotionally charged subject. Cheers! Marc -- SpaceRock Central - featuring the extraordinary music of B0RN to G0 and Alien Planetscapes. (site in progress). "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." From mpower at FCMC.COM Wed Dec 3 15:01:49 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:01:49 -0500 Subject: Hey Daniel! Message-ID: Can you view a VHS NTSC format video? Cheers! Marc. -- SpaceRock Central - featuring the extraordinary music of B0RN to G0 and Alien Planetscapes. (site in progress). "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 15:17:23 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:17:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! Message-ID: Chrille wrote: >People, people, just having read one of these posts replying to >my quip about Kula Shaker's logo: I was JOKING! Oh, it doesn't matter... :-) >I will make a few >things clear: > >1) The Nazis STOLE the Swastika, a solar symbol. They don't OWN it. >Letting them keep it... [snip!] You've got a lot of work to do if you want to have the swastika "back". Personally I think they can keep it. I've never felt the need to use anykind of symbol (well, maybe the Chronos symbol... which I like draw in the snow on windscreens... but only when I'm drunk! ;-) > >2) Nazi imagery, re: Lemmy etc. At one Motorhead gig I was at in USA >all these skinheads obviously misunderstood and brought pamphlets with >racist propaganda. This pissed off the rest of us and I sure hope >those snots got their asses kicked the bikers present at the show >afterwards. The bikers who weren't Nazis that is :) When I was at a Motorhead concert five ago I had a shaved head, big boots and a long black leatherjacket. Many skinheads came to me and shouted something that I couldn't hear 'cos Motorhead is *LOUD* and they also wanted to shake hands with me like I was a long lost brother or something. That pissed _me_ off. And also the tall guy standing next to me... maybe 2 metres tall and hair down to half his back. "Are you one of those Sieg-Heilers?!?" He said to me 'tween two songs and looked like he was going to eat me raw. Frightened I said, "No, I'm just doing my military service..." "Good for you, I'm an anarchist and I can't stand nazis - I'd beaten you up if you were one." >Lemmy's fascination >with WWII is very much similar to my own I think: what can cause the >greatest collective outburst of psychosis in history and subsequently >mass killing? Theories abound, but some mighty force it was, and >ultimately, people. The world isn't nice, people should not forget >what our power is capable of. Personally I don't have the balls to wear >swastikas, but occasionally I will will make fun of Nazis, or parody >them, sometimes I will even say base, crude things about ethnic stereotypes. >Because I think it's FUNNY. Yep, why not!?! I think one can make fun of almost everything. ...and especially you, Christian, can make fun of everything! :-) But sometimes I think I laugh at you just 'cos you're a Norwegian. :-) mvh - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Dec 3 15:21:16 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:21:16 -0500 Subject: Origins of the BOC symbol Message-ID: >Now, on to the BOC symbol, which BOC maintained was the ancient symbol >for Kronos. > > | > | > ---.--- > \ > \_/ > >I have never before seen this symbol, except in relation to BOC, >does anyone have a pre-BOC reference? At a major Amtgard (outdoor live-action foam swords & sorcery) I saw someone with the BOC symbol on his shield. I approached him about it (his name was Zodiac) and he claimed no knowledge of BOC or their symbol, he said it was an alchemical symbol he happened to like. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 15:27:02 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:27:02 +0100 Subject: Hey Daniel! Message-ID: At 03:01 PM 12/3/97 -0500, you wrote: >Can you view a VHS NTSC format video? > >Cheers! > >Marc. > If I can? Yes here at the university I can do it. (...and I can also view VHS PAL/SECAM, SVHS PAL, Betacam, BetacamSP, DVD, DVC-pro, UMATIC highband SP... maybe some others which I've forgot... I'm a TV/radio-journaliststudent, that's why.) Why do you wonder? schk?l - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Dec 3 15:28:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 20:28:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6's mail of Wed, 3 Dec 97 14:53 -0400 Message-ID: On 03 Dec 18:53, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > Ah...the Howard Stern defense. Well I'm a big fan of his, and I > agree with it. My take is that humanity is one big self-parody. Why > respect a species that doesn't even respect itself? Well, this defense makes some sense, e.g. in the Motorhead case. But one of the things that originally attracted me to Hawkwind (et al) was that the counter-culture of the time didn't just reject mainstream culture; they thought they could build something better. That optimism is something I still find attractive. The current pervasive cynicism saddens me (although I share some of it). The other defense, that the swastika was a solar symbol, doesn't seem very convincing when the occurrences being defended appear alongside chains, helmets, and other military paraphenalia! Dave (also cheering the counter-culture from the sidelines). -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 15:34:26 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:34:26 +0100 Subject: Origins of the BOC symbol Message-ID: >At a major Amtgard (outdoor live-action foam swords & sorcery) I >saw someone with the BOC symbol on his shield. I approached him >about it (his name was Zodiac) Yeah, sure it was! :-) >and he claimed no knowledge of BOC >or their symbol, he said it was an alchemical symbol he happened >to like. I once saw the Chronos symbol, in a book, at the side of an altar which a satanist used for a rite of some kind. I've tried to find that book again ('cos I've a vague memory of the symbol being ment in the caption), but I've never succeded. - Daniel Wikdahl ObCD: HW, SR -dadadadada BRAINSTORM!!! Ah Ah Ah -duh duh duh etc "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 3 15:36:41 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:36:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971203201723.00920ba4@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: >Yep, why not!?! >I think one can make fun of almost everything. >...and especially you, Christian, can make fun of everything! :-) Maybe that's my problem - I laugh at trouble, I can't help laughing when I'm in deep shit, I think I will laugh when the world goes under because we ask for it! Humour is the best tool to get ideas about ourselves across, or *satire* rather - IMO. I have devolved into a goddamn clown on this list. In the real world I am a grim, unsmiling mean fucker. >But sometimes I think I laugh at you just 'cos you're a Norwegian. :-) Phew! At least it's not any of my *other* handicaps!! I am sort of an inferior genetic hybrid though, so only the Jarlsberg consuming side of me is taking offense. I only laugh at that watered down moose piss you Swedes have the balls to call beer. Next time the Nazis drop by Sweden for a drink, why not just let them know where to get the good beer eh? Like NEXT BLOODY DOOR!!! breakin the wind through a crack in the sky, Christian From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 3 15:48:58 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:48:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: >I think the main role of TV is to turn us into a bunch of consumer sheep who can be easily controlled. Or at least convince us that drinking Coors Light will turn us into a bikini babe or jock/stud guy. Show a more honest commercial - some guy blitzed at a bar, with a headlock around the guy sitting next to him going, "I love you, ya little bastard." John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 3 15:55:49 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:55:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) Message-ID: >About the only unit of distance I can think off offhand is a "lightyear of love".... Never thought of that before - makes the exaggerations in the Penthouse Forum letters pale in comparison... John From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Dec 3 15:52:24 1997 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas Pearson) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:52:24 -0800 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? Message-ID: Hello all, it's been a while, but given that this is probably the most significant HW release in the 13 years that I've been a fan, I can't resist adding my own comments ... 1) It's great that the set list for this tour is so different from 'Space Ritual'; although it's nice to hear considerably different versions of some stuff ("7 X 7", for instance), it's really great to hear live versions of "Brainbox Pollution", "You Know You're Only Dreaming" (one thing I'd like to see in the current HW set is an occasional folk-tinged number like this one; it was really cool hearing Nik do "Children of the Sun" on his recent US tour), and all of the HotMG material. 2) Speaking of HotMG, I think it's interesting that the versions of songs from that album which had already been recorded ("It's So Easy", "You'd Better Believe It", "Paradox") are performed even better on the 1999 Party, wheras the newer songs that hadn't yet (at the time of the live recording) been worked out in the studio ("Psychedelic Warlords", "D-Rider") aren't as good as the eventual album versions. I always think it's a good thing when a band takes the time to work out a song live before bringing it into the studio; it clearly paid off with those two. 3) Great keyboard/synth playing! Del sounds vastly improved over his Space Ritual performance (which is still great, but it sounds there like he's sometimes just randomly twisting knobs); he clearly REALLY knows what he's doing. And Simon's violin & Mellotron (it sounds like that's the only type of keyboard instrument he's playing) adds a new dimension to many of the songs (especially "the Watcher") that he didn't originally play on. Hawkwind have never had as good a keyboard player since. 4) Steve did an excellent job of describing the problem(s) with the mix (although this is really splitting hairs - the album still sounds great to my ears!) - it's too much of an 80s/90s production rather than the Wall of Sound that Hawkwind were playing in those days. I find that the guitar and vocals are at acceptable levels, but that the synth/keyboards are sometimes too quiet - they are, however, brought to the front at appropriate times, so I can't really complain. My complaint (and I'm really surprised that no one has mentioned this yet) is that THERE'S NO SAX/FLUTE! Nowhere! It's totally inaudible throughout the entire album! Granted, I tend to enjoy even Nik's most annoying waterfowl noises (which many folks don't, but hey - I like Ornette Coleman, too), but surely there was some good stuff on tape?! Maybe they shouldn't've let Dave mix it ... :^)? 5) It's Lemmy, dammit. "You ARE welcome..." Well, big thanks are certainly due to EMI and the band for letting this see the light of day (gee, and I didn't even get to talk about the packaging - how 'bout those photos of Lemmy and Stacia passed out!) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 3 15:52:19 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:52:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! In-Reply-To: <199712032028.UAA09815@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: At 20:28 03.12.97 +0000, you wrote: > >The other defense, that the swastika was a solar symbol, doesn't seem >very convincing when the occurrences being defended appear alongside >chains, helmets, and other military paraphenalia! Look through any book on Viking culture and tell me how many pictures you see with swastikas - none. Why are we not *allowed* to see that? Is that right? Should we be denying this fact? As bad as censoring Grimms fairy tales in USA...... It is also a Bhuddist symbol, as inverted. The Xian cross is, as far as I know/can tell, also derived from the sun (sure he may have been crucified - but the symbolism seems pretty universal in its uncorrupted form). The cross itself represents so much more than the petty "my God VS your God" or "my race VS your race". The day an APE scrawled his first "X" into a rock was the greatest sudden advanced accomplishment ever made yet :). What drove him? What did it all mean? Where did he go from there? What in the world planted the silly idea in his primitive head that he had independent thoughts and could carve his own "X" onto the world? >Dave (also cheering the counter-culture from the sidelines). Yaay!!! Theo, break out that Jefferson Airplane box set and let's do the twist! going ape consulting my black obelisk, Christian From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Dec 3 16:07:10 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:07:10 -0500 Subject: Origins of the BOC symbol Message-ID: >>At a major Amtgard (outdoor live-action foam swords & sorcery) I >>saw someone with the BOC symbol on his shield. I approached him >>about it (his name was Zodiac) > >Yeah, sure it was! :-) Well, nobody goes by their real names at these things. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 16:09:40 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:09:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! Message-ID: At 09:36 PM 12/3/97 +0100, you wrote: >>Yep, why not!?! >>I think one can make fun of almost everything. >>...and especially you, Christian, can make fun of everything! :-) > >Maybe that's my problem - I laugh at trouble, I can't help laughing >when I'm in deep shit, I think I will laugh when the world goes under >because we ask for it! I wish I was like that too. I think I worry too much. > >Humour is the best tool to get ideas about ourselves >across, or *satire* rather - IMO. Good satire is hard to make. Fun irony is even harder - and that's IMO. I'm more "to the point" when I'm writing causeries etc (which I have to do tonight! Damn! I think I'm going to wright about cutlery...) > >I have devolved into a goddamn clown on this list. In the real >world I am a grim, unsmiling mean fucker. Of course you are! (ooops!) > >>But sometimes I think I laugh at you just 'cos you're a Norwegian. :-) > >Phew! At least it's not any of my *other* handicaps!! I am sort of >an inferior genetic hybrid though, so only the Jarlsberg consuming >side of me is taking offense. ...lets see... hmm, I've got Surstr?mming, Bratwurst, Smalahuve and Pizza in my blood... The Smalahuve and Pizza shares are quite small though. > >I only laugh at that watered down moose piss you Swedes have the >balls to call beer. Next time the Nazis drop by Sweden for a >drink, why not just let them know where to get the good beer eh? >Like NEXT BLOODY DOOR!!! This is, of course, irony. :-) mvh - Daniel BTW: here's a URL for you: http://www.mc.hik.se/~mep96ekf/salmons/calleclippdocka.phtml "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mwood at AGILE.COM Wed Dec 3 16:12:22 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:12:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > >About the only unit of distance I can think off > offhand is a "lightyear of love".... > Never thought of that before - makes the exaggerations in the Penthouse > Forum letters pale in comparison... What exaggerations? :) MWood NP: _Future Reconstructions - Ritual of the Solstice_ (I don't know why I'm torturing myself, I really only enjoy the remix of "Forge of Vulcan.") From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 16:19:14 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:19:14 +0100 Subject: Origins of the BOC symbol Message-ID: At 04:07 PM 12/3/97 -0500, you wrote: >>>At a major Amtgard (outdoor live-action foam swords & sorcery) I >>>saw someone with the BOC symbol on his shield. I approached him >>>about it (his name was Zodiac) >> >>Yeah, sure it was! :-) > >Well, nobody goes by their real names at these things. I think I should call me "Jesse Python" on a occasion like that. TA-DA! That's really back on topic! :-) What's the story behind BOC's alias? [aliases?] Prince Omega, J Python and Buck Dharma are the only ones I remember. Which are the other three? ...and John S... please don't tell me to "FAQ off" now... ;-) mvh - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 16:21:52 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:21:52 +0100 Subject: OFF: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) Message-ID: At 04:12 PM 12/3/97 -0500, you wrote: >John A Swartz wrote: >> >About the only unit of distance I can think off >> offhand is a "lightyear of love".... >> Never thought of that before - makes the exaggerations in the Penthouse >> Forum letters pale in comparison... > >What exaggerations? :) > >MWood > Oh, so you guys writes to Penthouse... tsk tsk... :-) mvh - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 16:25:09 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:25:09 +0100 Subject: OFF: Scott H Message-ID: I'm making the tape right now! - Daniel (feeling satisfied for the first time in weeks) "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM Wed Dec 3 15:37:33 1997 From: Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:37:33 -0600 Subject: HW: other EBS releases, reviews Message-ID: Now that DH has appeared, has anyone heard anything about the other EBS releases that were to have appeared (Brock solo cd, Bedouin, etc.)? Have any music reviews appeared in print mags for The 1999 Party and/or Distant Horizons? Allan. obCD: Yes, Keys to Ascension II - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. allan.t.grohe.jr at mail.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 3 17:54:34 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:54:34 -0000 Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! Message-ID: I clipped this from the Motorhead home page (Lemmy Speaks): Q. A biggie! What happened to the swastika on the spike of the logo's helmet? Caved in under pressure? It was there on the 'Motorhead album... Just curious, not a nazi, and not trying to crucify you. A. Apparently, SOME people thought it offensive, so we dropped it. It wasn't a big thing anyway - it was in the days when a swastika was just old fashioned & pissed people off. Maybe we should put it back! I think that about sums it up. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Wed Dec 3 18:18:38 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:18:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: Origins of the BOC aliases In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971203211914.0093dc0c@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: Daniel queried: >I think I should call me "Jesse Python" on a occasion like that. >TA-DA! That's really back on topic! :-) >What's the story behind BOC's alias? [aliases?] >Prins Omega, J Python and Buck Dharma are the only ones I remember. >Which are the other [two]? Andy Winters (aka Andy Winters) and La Vern(I think thats A. Lanier). You can thank Sandy Pearlman for that bit of madcappery. They might have to do with the Transmaniacon MC mythos or just a wacked out producer taking strangeness far to seriously. Q: Was the other pre-BOC release recorded by SWU or Oaxaca? also what was so bad about that Fillmore show that made them change their name? I'm no fool to call that a hog, Jason From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Dec 3 18:20:50 1997 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas Pearson) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:20:50 -0800 Subject: OFF: Lothar & Early Synth Stuff Message-ID: Since Hawkwind were the first band that really clued me into the fact that synthesizers could be used in a rock band to make interesting/bizarre sounds and textures (rather than just playing notes that sounded different from a piano or organ, ala Rick Wakeman), I've made an effort to find as many bands that pre-dated HW who also made interesting use of synthesizers and electronics ... In addition to Lothar & TONTO (and thanks, John, for the very informative post!), my top early synth-using bands would include: The United States of America, from LA circa 1968, who used lots of synth noises & effects over their driving melodic rock sound, with a great female singer. One of the electronics guys also played violin, often heavily processed (especially with ring modulator) - Simon House fans take note! Their sole, self-titled, album has been reissued on CD by Sony, with bonus tracks. Leader Joe Byrd went on to make another similar, but not quite as good & rockin' album with a new band called the Field Hippies, before retreating to staid academia. I think(?) the Field Hippies album has also been reissued on CD. Fifty Foot Hose from San Francisco (c. 67/68) had somewhat of a Jefferson Airplane-type feel, with a female singer and heavy jazz/blues influences, in addition to the amped-up folk-rock sound. All their electronics were homemade, and even today sound quite avant-garde in spots. Their only LP was recently re-issued domestically on the band's own Weasel Disc label, and they even did a couple "reunion" shows in SF (with the electronics guy as the only original member), which were recorded. Parts of these recent shows, as well as the original album, have been released on CD by Captain Trip (Japan), as I believe the domestic issue has sold out. Silver Apples were easily the most freaky of these bands (and also reunited recently, again, with only the original electronicist). They were a drums/electronics duo who employed a homemade device called the "Simeon" (named after the builder) which was controlled with foot pedals, in addition to the standard knobs/dials. Very weird, often haunting music, which must have been a big influence on the mid-70s NYC band, Suicide. They released two LP's, which have been reissued by Simeon (the man, not the machine) on CD, since the original label (Kapp) has been swallowed by the dust of time (there was also a bootleg CD reissue a couple of years back). I also believe (I'm not sure) that Florian Fricke of Popol Vuh had his Moog synthesizer before the end of the 60s ... at least he was a synthesizer owner before Tangerine Dream were, since he helped out on one or two of their early albums. Anyway, the first two PV albums (both reissued on CD one way or another on Spalanx) are almost entirely synthesizer music (i.e. not much rock content, unlike their mid-70s guitar/keyboard power drones). A few interesting uses of synthesizer/electronics in more mainstream 60s bands would include: * The Monkees(!) "Daily Nightly" & "Star Collector" off the 'Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones' album. * Rolling Stones "Please Go Home" from 'Between The Buttons' (UK) or 'Flowers' (US) - I think this might be Theremin (possibly inspired by "Good Vibrations"), but the track also has some great tape delay effects on it. * Beatles "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" - actually, George Harrison plays synth all over 'Abbey Road', but this is my favorite, with the wall of white noise building up to a massive climax during the "She's So Heavy" portion. * Deviants "Nothing Man" - OK, not exactly mainstream(!), but this track from 'Ptoof' has cool oscillations and Musique Concrete (tapes & stuff) elements. And, to go back to an earlier thread, a couple of psych compilations that include obscure/unknown bands with cool electronics on their tunes are: Beyond the Calico Wall (Voxx) Endless Journey (3 LPs on Psycho, now available as a double CD) If I left anyone out, please let me know! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 18:28:12 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:28:12 +0100 Subject: BOC: Origins of the BOC aliases Message-ID: Jason: >Q: Was the other pre-BOC release recorded by SWU or Oaxaca? also what was >so bad about that Fillmore show that made them change their name? A SWU show? Wheren't they called "Cow" for a while too? > >I'm no fool to call that a hog, Thank god for the lyric book! TMC must be one of the hardest songs ever hear the lyrics in. Someday I'll post BOC-l the transcription of TMC I made when I was 14. Almost as funny as the "Am Track trains" line somebody thought he heard somewhere at Imaginos. - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Dec 3 19:13:26 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:13:26 -0600 Subject: BOC: Making A show Message-ID: >oh...well, probably what I'm gonna do too....funny, I agree with you >about the other singing bass players though...maybe it's just the lyrics >on that particular song...."Squeeze" never really bothered me; I can't >remember if Phil sang any of the Yesterday and Today stuff Ah man now I'm scratching my head thinking about this. Really trying to recall which album Squeeze first appeared on, something says it was Yesterday and Today but I'm probably wrong there. Good excuse to go back and play albums numbers one and two to see. >so when are you finally gonna get to one of the "local" BOC shows? >(ok, so Bethlehem wasn't exactly local.....3 1/2 hours for me, but >it was still a good show, and it was fun BS'ing with Woody at the >sound desk) For me thats a lot easier said than done. BOC had for three straight years played Jaxx in October. They had some late September dates in this area so I was sure the streak would be kept alive. Silly me put all my eggs in that basket. At 39 going on 40 and usually going to concerts solo I'm not really into the 3.5 hours drive to see a show anymore regardless of who's playing. In my youth no problem. Flesh may be willing but the mind waffles. What I really need is a good business reason to be in some area up north when tBS is doing a gig, so I can see them peel the paint off the walls. Nothing like enjoying a gig on per diem. L8er lil ab From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Dec 2 15:27:40 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:27:40 +0000 Subject: BDB Vid & Children. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jean Delacour wrote: >Chuck & all my BOC-L friends; > > Actually I teach special ed in the Albuquerque public schools. The >sp ed program I run is for " emotionally disturbed and behaviorally >disorderd" kids in the 3rd, 4th, & 5th grades. Basically, nobody wants >these kids and, I kid you not, they don't have a father or male in their >lives. I have already introduced them to Godzilla, Cities on Flame and >several other "old people music", and they loved it. Therefore, once I >get the permission from my principal, I will show it to them as a reward >on a Friday. > > Ricky's take on the Reaper is right on!! Children don't read into >things the way many adults do. They see things for what they are. The >Reaper is an insiration to me because it calms the fear of death, and >shows how powerful the love for another human can be. Love will keep a >man and a woman "together for eternity". > > God bless....Manuel > My nine year old son is a bi-polar depressive: a condition that most of the British medical establishment doesn't recognize in children (& usually misdiagnose as ADHD), and he & his ten year old sister are huge BOC fans - we all rock-out together when mum's out (they were playing air guitar at 6 & 7). Just goes to show... ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Safe sex doen't mean no sex, it just means use your imagination." - Billy Bragg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 20:07:47 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:07:47 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 17.21 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > I doubt one single nazi thought Sid was a nazi, though. But I can understand > if someone believes Motorhead is a naziband. Only if they've never listened to the songs! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 20:10:28 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:10:28 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 08.44 +0000 "Hoarse Whisperer" wrote: > Quite how revisionists (to be nice to them) can say "it's a jewish plot > to pervert history - it never occurred" simply buggers me. And people > believe and trust this??? Frankly, I wish there _was_ a huge Jewish plot. It'd make it a hell of a lot easier to get a decent bialy outside of New York ... shalom :) Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 20:08:10 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:08:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet new CD Message-ID: Hi, I'm in an OFF mode right now so here's some info on the coming Monster Magnet CD. - Daniel The new album entitled Power Trip will be (read- should be) released in May 1998 on A&M Records. The tentative tracklisting is the following: 1. Powertrip 2. 3rd Eye Landslide 3. Crop Circle 4. Atomic Clock 5. Temple 6. Space Lord Motherfucker 7. 19 Witches 8. See You In Hell 9. Tractor 97 10. Bummer 11. Goliath And The Vampires Big God 12. Baby Gotterdamerung The record is recorded by Matt Hyde (Porno For Pyros), with Dave Wyndorf and Matt Hyde sharing production credits. The album is currently being mixed by Terry Date (Pantera, White Zombie, Soundgarden). Three new songs will be unleashed to Metal radio in November: 'Atomic Clock', 'The Game' (bonus track) and 'Kick Out The Jams' (bonus MC5 cover). Monster Magnet will play on New Year's Eve in New York City at Coney Island High- 15 St. Mark's Place. The band has recently changed management; they're now with Concrete (Pantera, White Zombie, Stabbing Westward, Type O Negative) "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 20:18:59 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:18:59 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 13.12 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" wrote: > Plus a lot of people are apathetic toward the holocaust for other > reasons. A buddy of mine's Ukrainian. He says: Holocaust?, big > deal! Stalin slaughtered twice as many Ukrainians and nobody ever > says a word about it. And we all know what Mr. Farakhan and other > think about the holocaust... Well, they should remember that if people can tryarbitrarily killing off one group of people, they can try arbitrarily killing off another. By publicizing and decrying genocide against anyone, we protect ourselves in the long run ... As a side note, Stalin's atrocities would have made good Cold War propaganda in the US ... except that at the height of the Cold War, the right-wingers in the US gov't probably approved of killing the kinds of people Stalin killed! :/ No, in the West the Jewish holocaust in the best known mass atrocity, but there are plenty of similar examples. Pol Pot comes to mind ... Hell, the Mongols massacred shitloads of people back in the 13th century--considering the kind of technology they had to work with, the amount of people they offed is _scary_. There's scant limit to the horror people can work on each other when they put their minds to it. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 20:24:30 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:24:30 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 16.24 +0000 "J Strobridge" wrote: > Am I right in thinking that there's > a left handed and a right handed version of the swastika (the short bits > point clockwise or anticlockwise) the right handed one being the good > luck version - the left handed one being the Nazi one? Or am I just > havering again.... No--or rather, not originally. Although I've seen a lot of people espouse this belief in recent years. But it's a post-WWII tradition, and I don't know where it started. Consider, after all: the Nazi's would have have hardly chosen a _bad_ luck symbol!! ("Yup," says Hitler, "we're evil motherf*ckers and our bad-luck symbol here proves it!"). In ancient tradition, both "directions" were common. folklorically, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 20:21:20 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:21:20 +0100 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: > But I can >understand >> if someone believes Motorhead is a naziband. > > Only if they've never listened to the songs! I think we are getting upset! :-) Well, there's no need for that... I know I said something like "listening but not _understanding_" in my mail. I've met several people who listen to Motorhead and still think Lemmy&co are nazis. These are to kind of people which you don't debate with 'cos they're either too stupid or too dangerous. Often it's a combination of both. But I've got to admit that I don't understand the logic in what Lemmy was doing. You got to help me there Carl. I've never thought Lemmy was a nazi - that's why I felt it's hard to udnerstand the use of swastikas. Hrm. Guess I'll have to read all the mails once again, from the archives. mvh - Daniel > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >St. John's College, University of Cambridge >mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk >http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > > "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 20:25:43 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:25:43 +0100 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: Carl writes: > Frankly, I wish there _was_ a huge Jewish plot. It'd make it a hell >of a lot easier to get a decent bialy outside of New York ... > Now I've got proof for the non-existance of a jewish plot! I've never heard of such a thing like a "bialy"!!! And we've got all our jews left... I'll try this on the next Skinhead that crosses my way. mvh - Daniel Wikdahl "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 20:31:41 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:31:41 +0000 Subject: Off: Swastika Lemmy HW Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 08.34 +0000 "Hoarse Whisperer" wrote: > I did not know any of this stuff! Who tells you these things?? Do you > have any Lemmy interviews you could share with us, he's seems to be an > interesting person, but I never see very much of what he says in print. Well, there've been a few on-line interviews (and you can always Ask Lemmy at www.imotorhead.com), but I definitely remember a magazine article from a few years back (possibly in Bass Player?) where the interviewer talked to Lemmy in Lemmy's flat, which is adorned with his Kollection (including, I vaguely recall, a place setting from Hitler's tableware!). Not surprisingly, the interview was somewhat taken aback by this and asked Lemmy about it--also not surprisingly, Lemmy was quick to make his views plain. Recall, for example, Al Bouchard's mention of some of the wacko types that ealy BOC ran into, after they did Secret Treaties. I remember mention of some jerk in SS regalia accosting them backstage in the belief they were crypto-nazis of some kind. Of course, a significant number of BOC were Jewish--the subtle pseudo-Nazi imagery was a bit of the shock rock thing. But it's easy to how it backfires. > You have to respect a down'n'dirty rock star who appears as the hero of > a life insurance tv commercial. Now _that_ I didn't know. It's a brave man that would insure Lemmy's life! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 20:37:45 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:37:45 +0000 Subject: OFF: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 13.02 -0500 "Benjamin Cash" wrote: >> Actually, I think the most sensible temperature scale would make 0 >> water's freezing point and 100 human body temperature. That would create >> weather reports I could relate to! > > Ah yes, but who's body temperature? The average body temperature varies > considerably, both with time and from person to person. Not to mention the > merry hell that this would raise with those of us using temperature for more > than 'is it cold out?' ;) Fie upon thee :) If I may be brutally facist for a moment, the number of people using temperature measures to determine "Is it cold out?" far outweighs those using them for anything else :) Do we not have computers? Use them for converting the units :) An average average human body temp will do well enough. I don't insist on precision :) 98ish suits me as well as 98.6 :) But there just are enough _units_ in metric temperatures for my tastes. Any system which goes from "annoyingly grim chill" to "needlessly hot" in under 40 units just wasn't thought out properly :) Precision I don't need, but nice big ranges are a plus :) iconoclastically, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 20:37:03 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:37:03 +0100 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: Carl writes: > As a side note, Stalin's atrocities would have made good Cold War >propaganda in the US ... except that at the height of the Cold War, the >right-wingers in the US gov't probably approved of killing the kinds of >people Stalin killed! :/ Can you expound this? > > No, in the West the Jewish holocaust in the best known mass atrocity, >but there are plenty of similar examples. Pol Pot comes to mind ... Pol Pot, the Swedish communists big hero back in the '70s! Were they gullible or what!?! Not as big publicity for Pol Pots cruelties just because I didn't occur in western world. - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 20:44:29 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:44:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 14.53 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" wrote: >> From: Christian Mumford >> 1) The Nazis STOLE the Swastika, a solar symbol. They don't OWN it. >> Letting them keep it is like giving them the privilige of stealing >> and keeping a copyright on a symbol which they abused to kill, rather >> than using it to respect their place on this world and the people on >> it. >> > Right! The swastika is a nazi symbol only if we allow it to be one. > Better to paint swastikas on every wall so that it will cese to have > any meaning or power for hate mongers. If we cower in fear at the > sight of it, we are doing exactly what the evil bastards want us to > do! No one would like to see the swastika "sanitized" more than me--speaking as a devotee of Germanic folklore ... but MAN! It is going to be a long, _long_ time before the swastika is going to be anything but a Nazi image (in the West, anyway). -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 20:51:28 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:51:28 +0000 Subject: HW: Fall of Earth City Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 20.28 +0000 "Dave Berry" wrote: > But > one of the things that originally attracted me to Hawkwind (et al) > was that the counter-culture of the time didn't just reject mainstream > culture; they thought they could build something better. That optimism > is something I still find attractive. The current pervasive cynicism > saddens me (although I share some of it). Yeah, Brock has become rather a bitter, or disillusioned old bastid, ent 'e? I try to keep my pointless idealism unmixed with my useless cynicism. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 20:54:26 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:54:26 +0000 Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 21.36 +0100 "Christian Mumford" wrote: > I only laugh at that watered down moose piss you Swedes have the > balls to call beer. Next time the Nazis drop by Sweden for a > drink, why not just let them know where to get the good beer eh? > Like NEXT BLOODY DOOR!!! What? Are the Norwegian's inviting the Nazis over for beer? Well, Hitler didn't drink alcohol anyway ... ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Dec 3 19:20:31 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:20:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: from "Chip Hart" at Dec 3, 97 02:48:51 pm Message-ID: Chip says-- > The irony of this statement appearing on a BOC discussion list > is too much to bear (as I think about Albert wearing his > Khomeni mask or the "SATANIC SYMBOL" our parents were warned > about). > > The comments made on this list the last few days really shock me > in terms of their lack of perspective. I mean, the same things > were said about Bach, Mozart, Stravinski, Elvis, The Beatles, > Led Zep, Sabbath, and Motley Crue. And many more. Well put Chip! This extends to literature too, of course. How many times have we heard of book banning involving works like _Huckleberry Finn_ or the novels of Kurt Vonnegut? I for one am sick to death of people who "know what's best" for the rest of us. What mind-boggling arrogance! :-P Guido obVERYweirdCDplayer--_Uexkull_ by Zbigniew Karkowski. Is this Phase 3 of Lumpy Gravy? :-) -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 20:58:42 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:58:42 +0000 Subject: BOTH: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 14.52 -0500 "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: > Now, how can we get this metric argument back towards BOC > or HW? About the only unit of distance I can think off > offhand is a "lightyear of love".... "A century of space away from earth?" -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 21:02:12 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 03:02:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! Message-ID: At 01:54 AM 12/4/97 +0000, you wrote: >On ons 3 dec 1997 21.36 +0100 "Christian Mumford" >wrote: >> I only laugh at that watered down moose piss you Swedes have the >> balls to call beer. Next time the Nazis drop by Sweden for a >> drink, why not just let them know where to get the good beer eh? >> Like NEXT BLOODY DOOR!!! > > What? Are the Norwegian's inviting the Nazis over for beer? Yep, that's why they were invaded during WWII. > > Well, Hitler didn't drink alcohol anyway ... ;) > But Skinheads do... This Saturday I made a radioreport with lots of drunk nazis. They were celebrating the memory of one of their heroes the Swedish "warrior" king Karl XII. He died (when he tried to invade Norway :>) on the 30th November. Maybe it was the beer? It's interesting to hear the nazis and the gathered anti-fascists telling me the exactly same things when I'm trying to interview them (i.e "The police are harassing us - we are peacuful - but the other guys are dangerous -blah blah blah".) That is of course when you can hear anything at all except for barking policedogs. But there was no riot - thank god. - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Dec 3 21:08:36 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:08:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: Chip Hart wrote: > The irony of this statement appearing on a BOC discussion list > is too much to bear (as I think about Albert wearing his > Khomeni mask or the "SATANIC SYMBOL" our parents were warned > about). > > The comments made on this list the last few days really shock me > in terms of their lack of perspective. I mean, the same things > were said about Bach, Mozart, Stravinski, Elvis, The Beatles, > Led Zep, Sabbath, and Motley Crue. And many more. the difference is that with most of the bands you mention, satanism was superimposed by bullet-headed preachers andpoliticians who used it as a tool to simply have things their way. motley crew and black sabbath both LOUDLY pretended to be satanists. LedZep did the same to an extent, especiallly jimmy page who DOES own aliester crowley's castle. > Doesn't ANYONE remember Lennon's "Jesus" comment from years ago? > That makes the shock value of Marilyn Manson PALE by comparison > (no pun intended). john lennon's statement was sarcasm, and fairly accurate to boot. MOST of those people who burned beatles albums would gleefully have skipped church or prayer to attend a concert- prior to the statement. the statement was attacked so vehementlyby the kind of shit-minded dolts who usually pull the strings, that a mob situation developed. again, all the shock-shit is just silliness. the people who get worked up over this kind of thing need some REAL problems injected into their worlds. > Get some perspective, guys, please! what perspective? the bands talked about here are posers and pretenders. GWAR is a deliberate joke. marilyn manson isthe big brother playing simple magic tricks to the amazement of the infantile neighborhood kids. > As for GWAR, apparently some people don't realize it *IS* a > joke. It's a bunch of UVA art students, as I remember. It's > SUPPOSED to have a "Stonehedge" quality to it. I think they > accidentally sold more records than they intended. yes. > If you want some really "disturbing" music, check out someone > who did it for real: GG Allin. Hasel Adkins has a few good ones, > too. if i want to see the doings of diseased minds, all i have to do is walk outside, or turn on the news. i dont have to listen towannabe musicians for it. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Dec 3 21:12:28 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:12:28 -0500 Subject: HW, BOC: Names Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > I still do not believe this. As Dave mentioned in the Sniffin ' Flowers > > interview, there is a esoteric meaning. if i were being hounded about cosmic meaning hidden in a mundane name, i would just have to make up some totally off-the-wall explanation. prolly whut dave did. rj From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Dec 3 21:16:52 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:16:52 PST Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <1610481.3090187470@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>; from "Carl E. Anderson" at Dec 4, 97 1:24 am Message-ID: (Posting from my old account)... FWIW... As it has been stated, the swastika has bee around for years. I think it originated in the Middle East thousands of years BC. I have seen examples of it with the arms clockwise (Nazi-style) and anti-clockwise (as in the Indian, oops, Native American headdress insignia displayed on the side of the famous American ace Eddie Rickenbachers' Spad XIII). I have also seen it with the vertical elements at a 0 degree orientation (Finnish AF insignia prior to 1944, in use since 1911, back when Hitler was still splooting paint on canvases) and at the 45 degree orientation (Nazi and Estonian AF insignia between the Wars). The swastika is permanently linked to the Nazi movement, like it or not. What irks me is the revisionists that try and eliminate its' existance. I see aircraft models/paintings/photos that do not include the swastika; excuse me, but those planes flew with that marking, like it or not; it is a historical fact and that cannot be changed. I hate the tampering-with of history to prevent some group from having its' feelings hurt (I am fully sympathetic with the victims of the Holocaust, but the truth is the truth; it has to apply equally to all.) I also see that models of Finnish a/c of pre- 1944 vintage have their decals chopped up so that a swastika is not on the sheet, but can be assembled from two halfs; what kind of stupidity is this?? The iron cross, AKA the Maltese cross, the surfers' cross, was used by the German military for years before the Nazis came along. The Iron Cross was a decoration for valor during WWI (a friend had one that his father had captured, minus the swastika; it was a WWI-era one). The Iron Cross is still used by the Luftwaffe to mark its' aircraft, but it is not the same style as the WWII-era cross, it is similar to the WWI vintage marking. Again, this cross has no inherent Nazi connotations. I am probably not contributing anything to this discussion here, but I think that people need to understand the symbols and what they stand for before they display them just because they look "cool". As far as Motorhead using the symbol, well, damn folks, that is an HE-111 on the cover of BOMBER, y'know, the one that was the primary bomber used during Der Blitz and the Battle Of Britian. I think they should have used a Lancaster instead. (Just what is Lemmy trying to say about his homeland?!?) No attempt being made to fire one's emotions here, just trying to make you think... obCDPlayer: Djam Karet / The Devouring -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 21:23:20 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:23:20 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: On tor 4 dec 1997 02.21 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > I know I said something like "listening but not _understanding_" > in my mail. Yes, and I guess I understand that point. > But I've got to admit that I don't understand the logic in what Lemmy was. > doing You got to help me there Carl. I've never thought Lemmy was a nazi - > that's why I felt it's hard to udnerstand the use of swastikas. Motorhead lyrics often discuss the horrors we associate with Nazism (and in a distinctly negative way). Then add the sprinkle of Nazi symbolism, and it becomes an ironic message. I think this has become more obvious in the recent songs (as Lemmy gets older and more cynical--though without Brock's apparent despair!). from "On You Feet or on Your Knees": "Human beings ain't got no brains/Think you're better but you're all the same/Think you're clever but you're all to blame/Here we are again in the same old frame [...] You humans don't be so proud/You humans don't talk too loud/You human's just ain't too smart/It's enough to break my human heart" from "Burner": "Riots in the burning street/Crystal night outside/Brutal music in the night, enough to make you cry/Nobody knows how it is to sleep and drown the world [...] Outside in the distance, the city is on fire/See the houses burning down mile after mile/I don't think you know about your future yet/I don't think you're gonna like the one you're gonna get from "Sacrifice": "The women stitch the shrouds/The children murder all the world/If only you believe/Then only you will die/How can you not/See the stars/In your eyes?" The "Sacrifice" video, of course, was a wild collage of images of Naziism and soft-core pornography! Sort of stuff Hitler would go for, I reckon ;) But combined with the lyrics, it becomes an ironic comment on human attitudes and human history. I suppose the problem comes when, as you suggest, people only understand half (the _wrong_ half) of the message! We need not restrict ourselves to Lemmy's Motorhead output. "The Watcher" was a pretty damning comment on the human race, set as it was into the context of Hawkwind's SF/space themes. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 21:29:33 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:29:33 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: On tor 4 dec 1997 02.37 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > Carl writes: >> As a side note, Stalin's atrocities would have made good Cold War >>propaganda in the US ... except that at the height of the Cold War, the >>right-wingers in the US gov't probably approved of killing the kinds of >>people Stalin killed! :/ > > Can you expound this? Well, in the 1950s Senator McCarthy managed to bring the US about as close to Naziism as we've managed in the 20th century (setting aside, for the moment, the US's genocidal policies towards Native Americans in preceding centuries, black slavery, etc.) He made big lists of "suspected communists". Wouldn't taken much to have to have started actualling killings, I think--less than most Americans realize, or are willing to admit. And there are plenty of right-wing politicians in the US now who would probably happily do away with all the gays, blacks, hispanics, left-handed librarians, and gods-know-what-else. Mind you, there are plenty of left-wing types that probably no less dangerous :) if for different reasons. Soon members of various ethnicities will be getting shot for telling jokes about _themselves_ ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 21:31:53 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:31:53 +0000 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 19.20 -0500 "Guido Vacano" wrote: > Chip says-- >> The irony of this statement appearing on a BOC discussion list >> is too much to bear (as I think about Albert wearing his >> Khomeni mask or the "SATANIC SYMBOL" our parents were warned >> about). >> The comments made on this list the last few days really shock me >> in terms of their lack of perspective. I mean, the same things >> were said about Bach, Mozart, Stravinski, Elvis, The Beatles, >> Led Zep, Sabbath, and Motley Crue. And many more. > > Well put Chip! This extends to literature too, of course. How many times > have we heard of book banning involving works like _Huckleberry Finn_ or > the novels of Kurt Vonnegut? I for one am sick to death of people who > "know what's best" for the rest of us. What mind-boggling arrogance! :-P Let's not forget the Swedes were going to ban _Pippi Long-stocking_ as unduly subversive! Seldom has a more grievious crime against humanity been contemplated! jag klarar mej alltid, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 21:35:45 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:35:45 +0000 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 21.08 -0500 "Ron Jennings" wrote: > john lennon's statement was sarcasm, and fairly accurate to boot. MOST of > those people who burned beatles albums would gleefully have skipped church or > prayer to attend a concert- prior to the statement. the statement was > attacked so vehementlyby the kind of shit-minded dolts who usually pull the > strings, that a > mob situation developed. again, all the shock-shit is just silliness. the > people who get worked up over this kind of thing need some REAL problems > injected into their worlds. And therein lies the danger. Get enough sheep all moving in the same direction and the _will_ trample you--no matter how fluffy and cute they were a moment before ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 21:40:28 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:40:28 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: On ons 3 dec 1997 18.16 +0000 "Craig Shipley" wrote: > As far as Motorhead using the symbol, well, damn folks, that is an HE-111 on > the cover of BOMBER, y'know, the one that was the primary bomber used during > Der Blitz and the Battle Of Britian. I think they should have used a Lancaster > instead. (Just what is Lemmy trying to say about his homeland?!?) Well, I think the Lancaster would have been inconsistent with What I believe to be Motorhead's message. It would have implied "We are English and are off to kick the shit out of the non-English." Using the HE-111 (IMO) implies "We are here with this thing which deals death to us to let you know what kind of shit humans are capable of". Use of the HE-111 is a warning in the way use of a Lancaster would not be. I know I'm up too late when I start deconstructing Motorhead album covers!! ain't felt this good for an hour, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 3 21:43:46 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:43:46 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: On tor 4 dec 1997 02.25 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > Carl writes: >> Frankly, I wish there _was_ a huge Jewish plot. It'd make it a hell >>of a lot easier to get a decent bialy outside of New York ... > > Now I've got proof for the non-existance of a jewish plot! > I've never heard of such a thing like a "bialy"!!! > And we've got all our jews left... A particular variety of bagel, now (post-holocaust) seldom found outside of the NYC area. Mind you, it is hard enough to find _really_ decent bagels outside NYC either (IMO). Gods know I've not found any reasonable bagels in England. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 21:42:26 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 03:42:26 +0100 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: Carl writes: > > Motorhead lyrics often discuss the horrors we associate with Nazism >(and in a distinctly negative way). Then add the sprinkle of Nazi >symbolism, and it becomes an ironic message. Oh well, irony... :-) Maybe I just don't like irony? I don't know if you have the same thing in England and US but here people are talking about "the ironic generation". That's me and people of my age. First came the X generation... than the ironic generation. Bullshit! I will be more than happy when people stop hiding what they are talking about behind walls of irony. Sometimes I feel some people mean one thing when they first say it... but later, when the reactions comes, they suddenly say "Oh, but this was irony of course." - just to protect themselves. (Not speaking about Motorhead though.) The same thing goes with a lot of the present so called satire. IMHO. [big snip! - good job you did there] > The "Sacrifice" video, of course, was a wild collage of images of >Naziism and soft-core pornography! Sort of stuff Hitler would go for, I >reckon ;) Nah, he seemed to be more into German Sheperds. :-) > We need not restrict ourselves to Lemmy's Motorhead output. "The >Watcher" was a pretty damning comment on the human race, set as it was >into the context of Hawkwind's SF/space themes. Hmm, I've never listened to the lyrics of the Watcher. I'll do it when I comes home tonight. h?lsar och nyser (skit!, jag ?r f?rkyld!) - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 3 21:51:14 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 03:51:14 +0100 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: Carl writes: > Well, I think the Lancaster would have been inconsistent with What I >believe to be Motorhead's message. It would have implied "We are English >and are off to kick the shit out of the non-English." Using the HE-111 >(IMO) implies "We are here with this thing which deals death to us to let >you know what kind of shit humans are capable of". Use of the HE-111 is a >warning in the way use of a Lancaster would not be. This makes sense to me. I'm with you now Carl. :-) > > I know I'm up too late when I start deconstructing Motorhead album >covers!! Up late? I'm one hour ahead of you on spaceship earth! And I'm trying to write one article 'bout "The Greece school" in Kalmar (boooooring) and a causerie 'bout cutlery (quite fun) at the same time. mvh - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Dec 3 22:13:47 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:13:47 -0500 Subject: BOC: Making A show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>Ah man now I'm scratching my head thinking about this. Really trying to >recall which album Squeeze first appeared on, something says it was >Yesterday and Today but I'm probably wrong there. Good excuse to go >back and play albums numbers one and two to see. > neither! it's on 'Earthshaker'...but any excuse to listen to 'Y & T' and 'SD' is a good one....I just need to finish getting their catalog on CD...darn Japanese import prices! > >For me thats a lot easier said than done. BOC had for three straight >years played Jaxx in October. They had some late September dates in >this area so I was sure the streak would be kept alive. Silly me put >all my eggs in that basket. At 39 going on 40 and usually going to >concerts solo I'm not really into the 3.5 hours drive to see a show >anymore regardless of who's playing. In my youth no problem. Flesh may >be willing but the mind waffles. What I really need is a good business >reason to be in some area up north when tBS is doing a gig, so I can see >them peel the paint off the walls. Nothing like enjoying a gig on per >diem. > well, I wouldn't count on them playing Jaxx again, due to an altercation between a fan well known to the band and the bouncers at the last show there....Buck said something to the effect that "we'll never play there again if they treat our fans like that"....it may have only been a threat.. but I know he was pretty pissed about it....(I wasn't there, but know the guy that was involved) as far as the shows, well, I don't live that far north of DC, so you're welcome to hitch with me any time if you like (I'm curious to see tBS too) cheers, Ted From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Wed Dec 3 22:41:24 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:41:24 -0500 Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971204013703.009703d8@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > Not as big publicity for Pol Pots cruelties just because I didn't occur in > western world. Hey, but it was good enough to launch a Blue Peter appeal! Cheers, Paul. ob2CD: The Beatles, _1967--1970_ e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Wed Dec 3 22:57:42 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:57:42 -0500 Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <1884623.3090192028@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > On ons 3 dec 1997 18.16 +0000 "Craig Shipley" wrote: > > As far as Motorhead using the symbol, well, damn folks, that is an > HE-111 on > > the cover of BOMBER, y'know, the one that was the primary bomber used > during > > Der Blitz and the Battle Of Britian. I think they should have used a > Lancaster > > instead. (Just what is Lemmy trying to say about his homeland?!?) > > Well, I think the Lancaster would have been inconsistent with What I > believe to be Motorhead's message. It would have implied "We are English > and are off to kick the shit out of the non-English." Using the HE-111 > (IMO) implies "We are here with this thing which deals death to us to let > you know what kind of shit humans are capable of". Use of the HE-111 is a > warning in the way use of a Lancaster would not be. Besides, Lemmy probably thought there was no way in hell he could work up a Lancaster [heavy] bomber as a massive hydraulic stage prop, but a HE 111 [medium], well, that one might just fly... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Jimi Hendrix, _South Saturn Delta_ e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Wed Dec 3 23:04:08 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:04:08 -0500 Subject: off/other: KC's _The Night Watch_? In-Reply-To: <9712031559.AA20131@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Guido wrote: > Well, it was live at the Amsterdam Concert Building then. :-) Great album, > though a tad short for two CDs (a little over 80 minutes). The second CD > is "enhanced", and has a nice audio/visual sampler of other Discipline > Global Mobile releases (including the MUST HAVE _Caves of the Iron > Mountain_ by Steve Gorn, Tony Levin, and Jerry Marotta). The _200 Motels_ double CD is rather short, too, but the MPEG trailer for the movie included therein is very tasty, I must say! Cheers, Paul. obConceptualContinuityGoldmine: _200 Motels_ :-) e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Wed Dec 3 23:09:02 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:09:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: <9712031624.AA20150@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Guido Vacano wrote: > > Each and every parent needs to be on guard against this assulat on our > > children. My kids don't listen to Manson or Gwar becuase THEY have no > > desire to. They saw footage of GWAR and thought they were clowns. > > They ARE clowns! I don't know much about GWAR, but I get the impression > that they are just doing a "comic book" thing, and that they don't take > themselves seriously. It's a theater of the absurd. Tsk, tsk. You living in Richmond all that time and you don't know much about its musical claim to fame... ;-) (A guy in our lab is a self-confessed Gwar fan; I have this information on good authority.) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Wed Dec 3 22:36:32 1997 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:36:32 -0800 Subject: Darxtar Message-ID: I got it off of Michael Piper, Aceofdiscs at aol.com John > Christmas has come early, after months of searching I finally scored the > Darxtar Darker CD. 8^))) In those terms, Christmas came for me about a month ago. A guy on the net was selling a lot of CDs for US$5 each, among them were the first 2 Darxtar CDs (and the first CD by the French prog band Eclat). Where did you get your _Darker_ CD? From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Dec 4 00:03:28 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:03:28 -0600 Subject: VERY OFF: In lieu of the religious debate Message-ID: This is a forwarded assoc. press release concerning the student who shot and killed 3 students and wounded a few others at a prayer meeting. If you do not want to read it, delete it NOW. As tempted as you may be to reply via BOC-L, *all* responses should be directed to my personal e-mail address . My basic motive in forwarding this press release is to show that A) not all lunatics are Christians, and B) not all Christians are lunatics. [ I'm a lunatic, but I'm a -nice- lunatic. :-) ] Damon Capehart ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:30:00 -0600 (CST) From: Michael A Hamblin Press releases are of course copyrighted by the Associated Press and may be copied for personal or non-profit use. This page's URL is: Three students die in Ky. school attack WEST PADUCAH, Ky. - Ben Strong is the son of a pastor, a senior who has led prayer groups in the Heath High School lobby every school day. Sometimes, Michael Carneal and other self-professed atheists would stand nearby and mock them. Moments after Strong and 35 other students murmured "amen" Monday morning, three of them were shot to death and five others were wounded. Authorities immediately arrested a 14-year-old freshman identified by his friends as Carneal. As his friends screamed and ran for their lives, Strong ran toward Carneal, who had told him last week to stay away from Monday's circle - a mysterious warning that had worried him all weekend. "When we got done praying, I kind of thought everything was going to be OK," Strong said. "And I just heard a pop and I spun around. And I ... was like, 'Mike, what are you doing? And then he just let a bunch of them go." Strong said Carneal squeezed off 11 shots before he knew what was happening. "Then I seen some people fall, and I seen blood," Strong said. "And I just ran over there. ... I was just telling him to be calm, drop the gun, whatever. And he just kind of slouched down and dropped the gun." By then, 15-year-old Kayce Steger, Jessica James, 17, and 14-year-old Nichole Hadley were shot. All were dead by Monday night. Of the wounded students, ages 14 to 17, two were hospitalized in serious condition, one was listed in good condition and two were treated and released. Carneal was charged as a juvenile with murder and attempted murder and also with burglary for allegedly stealing on Thanksgiving Day the pistol used in the shootings and four rifles found among his belongings. The homeowner didn't know the weapons were missing until deputies called after the shootings. Authorities did not identify Carneal as the suspect, but friends and others at the scene confirmed his name to The Associated Press. A Dec. 10 hearing was set to decide whether the case should be transferred to adult court. As families mourned, dazed school officials and authorities began piecing together a picture of Carneal, the son of an attorney in this small western Kentucky community just south of the Ohio River. Principal Bill Bond described him as a "very intelligent young man" who had had "some minor problems" but had never been suspended from school. Strong said Carneal had been picked on but no more than other students. He said Carneal hung out with people who said they didn't believe in God - some would even occasionally heckle the informal worship group. "It was pretty much making fun of, stupid little things like that," said Michael Zink, a 16-year-old student who identified his friend Carneal as the gunman. He said Carneal and others who called themselves atheists were "just trying to be rude and obnoxious." The Rev. Kevin McCallon, who visited witnesses and victims' families, said no one believed Carneal was a genuine threat. "They saw him as a jokester," McCallon said. "Even when he pulled the gun, they thought it was a toy. They had no idea he was capable of any of this." Bond said Carneal had warned friends last week that "something big's going to happen" and they chalked it up as a potential prank. But authorities said there was no indication of a specific motive, and Carneal didn't mention religion to investigators. "He stated there was no personal vendetta against anyone. It was just a random shooting," said Frank Augustus, the McCracken County sheriff. Asked about a motive, the sheriff said: "He himself will have to answer that, and he says he doesn't know why." Carneal allegedly carried a handgun with extra ammunition, two rifles and two shotguns into the crowded lobby, concealing the larger weapons in blankets. He told curious students the bundle contained props for a science experiment. Witnesses said he waited until the prayer group was finished before calmly inserting earplugs and pulling the pistol out of a backpack. "As soon as they said amen, he opened up on them," Bond said. "Only the first three shots could have been aimed. After that, it was just as fast as he could pull the trigger." Bond praised Strong's courage for approaching the gunman as he was still firing. The handgun still had a bullet in the clip when the shooting stopped. "He was, like, 'I can't believe I'd do this,"' Strong said. "Because he shot one of his friends who was just a few feet away, because he wasn't aiming at any person. And he said, 'Kill me now' or something like that." Strong said Carneal had warned him on Wednesday not to be at the prayer gathering, a statement he confided to a friend and his older brother. "He told me he was going to do something, but he wouldn't tell me what it was," Strong said. "But he told me not to be there, because, you know, we're friends." By The Associated Press ------------------------------ Just remember that behind every screaming atheist there is someone with a broken heart who is seeking an answer of any kind. michaelh From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Thu Dec 4 00:49:11 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:49:11 -0500 Subject: BOC...More Imaginos...Flip Sake! Message-ID: Troy wrote: > Didn't someone once say that SP thought he was "the guy who gives out the > leather and chains" in the Heavy Metal world, or words to that effect? I remember that quote; seems to me it was Allen Lanier (speaking with Lester Bangs?). I know that Lanier was quoted once as noting a resemblance between Pearlman and Eddie Haskell - I can't remember who he said he sounded like, though (it was a cartoon character). Anybody? Wish I still had the mid-70's Creem magazine wherein Richard Meltzer described Pearlman fleeing in horror (after five minutes, as I recall) from a Manhattan S&M / leather bar where he'd intended to get a first-hand glimpse into the abyss. -Chris Baker From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 3 14:04:00 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:04:00 +0000 Subject: HW, BOC: Names In-Reply-To: <199712031701.RAA02855@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199712031701.RAA02855 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge writes > For myself, >I've never seen Brock in any way as a mystic kinda person. I agree, and certainly not overtly. Most people over the age of 20 do keep these interests private anyway. *but* Nik is mystically inclined and in fact is quite the seeker. I doubt he bangs on and on about the eternal verities, but recording passages from The Egyptian Book Of The Dead, in the pyramid of Cheops what's more, is a bit of a giveaway on it's own. The liner notes to the first album (remaster) say that Nik christened the band Hawkwind Zoo. As far as being public about these sorts of things, not many people who know me would know of my interests, it's the sort of thing you share with close friends (and of course complete strangers on the internet!) -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 3 14:11:02 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:11:02 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971203163307.00950c20@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: In article <1.5.4.32.19971203163307.00950c20 at mailbox.mc.hik.se>, Daniel Wikdahl writes >No, but it's hard to tell some people that everybody are apes. >That a black ape and a white ape both are apes. Or orange in the case of myself. -- Dr. Zaius From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 3 14:17:47 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:17:47 +0000 Subject: HW, BOC: Names - Imaginos, God and Church of HW In-Reply-To: <19971203134400.1394.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <19971203134400.1394.qmail at hotmail.com>, Hoarse Whisperer writes >Yet on the other hand, we have the philosophical mind (paranoid X-Files >mind?) saying: > "That's all very well and good, but I do want more, an dlookee here, I >just found out this, which seems to connect point and A to point B, and >oh look here's point C which snicks into my theory nicely. What do you >think of that then? the implications from what Mr X said in 197x seem >to indicate a knowledge of point D which would lead me to believe there >are parallels with points E and F..." > And there before your very eyes is a brand new belief system! Point taken *but* firstly The X-Files is dreary and tedious in the extreme, and secondly Thelema is hardly a new theory (and it's not one of mine!) But in principle, I do accept your point. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Dec 4 04:51:41 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:51:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Paul Mather writes > >Tsk, tsk. You living in Richmond all that time and you don't know much >about its musical claim to fame... ;-) Well, there you have it. GWAR come from Richmond, VA? Kula Shaker come from Richmond, UK..... hmmmmm.... -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Dec 4 04:55:08 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:55:08 +0000 Subject: HW, BOC: Names In-Reply-To: <3486118C.1B1471B8@starlinx.com> Message-ID: In article <3486118C.1B1471B8 at starlinx.com>, Ron Jennings writes >if i were being hounded about cosmic meaning hidden in a mundane name, i would >just have to make up some totally off-the-wall explanation. prolly whut dave >did. >rj It's not _hidden_ per se, it just takes one to know one sort of thing. I think you'd also make up some off-the-wall explanation if you had to explain something like that to people who *weren't* lokking for that sort of thing. It's just that to anyone with an interest in Egyptian magick, Thelema or the Western Mystery Tradition in general, this is like saying "Wind Of Aquarius" and if someone called their band that, you wouldn't *heavy mystics, man!* you'd think *bunch of hippies*, which is what I think :) No great conspiracy or anything, it's just the sort of books people were reading back then. and IMHO psychedelia *is* mysticism! -- Jon Browne "The Astral Path is now your fortuitous goal" -Dave / 7x7- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Dec 4 04:25:35 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:25:35 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <1896534.3090192226@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <1896534.3090192226 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, "Carl E. Anderson" writes >Gods know I've not found any reasonable bagels in >England. Have you been to Brick Lane? salmon and cream cheese.......mmmmmmm! Open 24 hours too! You can hit the place at 4 in the morning - Yes! -- Jon From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Dec 3 17:20:03 1997 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:20:03 +0000 Subject: Off: Swastika Lemmy HW Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > Well, there've been a few on-line interviews (and you can always Ask > Lemmy at www.imotorhead.com), but I definitely remember a magazine article > from a few years back (possibly in Bass Player?) where the interviewer > talked to Lemmy in Lemmy's flat, which is adorned with his Kollection > (including, I vaguely recall, a place setting from Hitler's tableware!). > Not surprisingly, the interview was somewhat taken aback by this and > asked Lemmy about it--also not surprisingly, Lemmy was quick to make his > views plain. Metal CD mag - circa 1993. No longer publishing unfortunately. Incidentally, Lemmy allegedly once had Kirk Blows (Editor) up against a wall (if you see what I mean) after they printed an interview with Wurzel which was less than fully complementary about sir Ian of Kilmister. Yours - cos I worked in the same orifice - helpfully, Rich. ObAlbum: Bad News From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 4 05:23:17 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:23:17 -0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: > As far as Motorhead using the symbol, well, damn folks, that is an HE-111 > on > the cover of BOMBER, y'know, the one that was the primary bomber used > during > Der Blitz and the Battle Of Britian. I think they should have used a > Lancaster > instead. (Just what is Lemmy trying to say about his homeland?!?) > Well, in addition to Carl's convincing theory, Lemmy is/was a BOC fan ("On Your Feet or On Your Knees" is a track on _Bastards_, the inner sleeve photos on _Motorhead_ show a _Secret Treaties_ poster, and guess where they got their umlaut from...) - so maybe it was also a direct tribute to the Me-262 on _ST_? Rather like Radio Birdman's Ju-87 on the infamous "Radio Birdman Blitzkrieg" poster... -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Dec 3 17:27:06 1997 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:27:06 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: > > Hmm, I've never listened to the lyrics of the Watcher. I'll do it when > I comes > home tonight. > Heretic. Cheers, Rich. ObBeer: Moorhouses Black Cat - available at the Pigs Ear beer festival, Startford, London E15 until Saturday. (plug) From micci at SCI.FI Thu Dec 4 05:30:57 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:30:57 +0200 Subject: HW: Bedouin CD Message-ID: Scott wrote: > > I just got the latest little Ozric Tentacles newsletter from Jim >Collins and he also does mail order and he has the new Alan Davey's Bedouin >CD listed in his list? Is this really out? Does anyone have it? How is it? > Hi! I just receive Bedouin news letter and yes, it?s available now. (EBSCD 133) Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From micci at SCI.FI Thu Dec 4 05:31:03 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:31:03 +0200 Subject: HW: Warrior mis-press Message-ID: > >Was there someone on the list who was after a copy of the Pendragon >miss-pressing of WotEoT? Jill? > Hi! What is this Pendragon miss-pressing? Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From micci at SCI.FI Thu Dec 4 05:31:10 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:31:10 +0200 Subject: HW:Lloyd-Langton Message-ID: Hi! I heard that there is new H.Lloyd-Langton album. Anyone know catalog number and is there vinyl also? Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 4 05:31:26 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:31:26 -0000 Subject: HW, BOC: Names Message-ID: > "The Astral Path is now your fortuitous goal" > -Dave / 7x7- Which reminds me (with my BOC hat on) of the 7 Invisibles, seven stars has Ursa Major etc etc. It's all connected, man! :) (I don't actually have a BOC hat. I've got a Radio Birdman hat though.) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 4 05:32:19 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:32:19 PST Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! Message-ID: >> From: Christian Mumford >> >> 1) The Nazis STOLE the Swastika, a solar symbol. They don't OWN it. >> Letting them keep it is like giving them the privilige of stealing >> and keeping a copyright on a symbol which they abused to kill, rather >> than using it to respect their place on this world and the people on >> it. >> >theo wrote: >Right! The swastika is a nazi symbol only if we allow it to be one. >Better to paint swastikas on every wall so that it will cese to have >any meaning or power for hate mongers. If we cower in fear at the >sight of it, we are doing exactly what the evil bastards want us to >do! > Okay, how many millions died and how many millions lost their homes? How many hundreds of millions of people were effected by Nazi Germany and its Axis friends? If that is what it took to make the swastika a representation of hatred and death in the western world, what will it take to reverse that meaning? Some cancers cannot be cured, some tattoos cannot be removed. Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 4 06:40:26 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 03:40:26 PST Subject: HW, BOC: Names - Imaginos, God and Church of HW Message-ID: >> And there before your very eyes is a brand new belief system! > >Point taken *but* firstly The X-Files is dreary and tedious in the >extreme, and secondly Thelema is hardly a new theory (and it's not one >of mine!) > >But in principle, I do accept your point. >-- >Jon > ...X-Files....hmmmm. Dreary and tedious if you've gor something better to watch. As a TV programme in a country with 4 channels, it's worth watching. And its atmos seems to fit nicely with HW, BOC, space, mysticism and curiousity. The inability to accept things as they are presented to us (which I was describing). I enjoy it anyway. But then I enjoy Dr Who. ...The theory is never gonna be new (nothing is), but it is new to the person who has just thought it up. If there is nothing new about the original premise of the theory, the tiny nuances are those which lend it individuality and therefore 'newness'. tata for now. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 4 07:12:29 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:12:29 -0000 Subject: HW, BOC: Names - Imaginos, God and Church of HW Message-ID: > ...X-Files....hmmmm. Dreary and tedious if you've gor something better > to watch. As a TV programme in a country with 4 channels, it's worth > watching Who still lives in a country with four channels? Although I usually find _The X-Files_ tedious and dreary with 20-odd to choose from... obHW: TV Suicide :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Dec 4 07:42:23 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:42:23 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: On tor 4 dec 1997 09.25 +0000 "Jon Browne" wrote: > In article <1896534.3090192226 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, "Carl E. Anderson" > writes >>Gods know I've not found any reasonable bagels in >>England. > > Have you been to Brick Lane? > salmon and cream cheese.......mmmmmmm! > Open 24 hours too! You can hit the place at 4 in the morning - Yes! Never heard of it! More info please ....! Mind you, it makes sense that something selling nice food at 4am couldn't be a native English business ;) I've been developing a theory that the driving force behind English business practice is to prevent any potential customers from actually buying anything :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 4 06:52:05 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:52:05 EDT Subject: BOC: Making A show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Ted Alger > > as far as the shows, well, I don't live that far north of DC, so you're > welcome to hitch with me any time if you like (I'm curious to see tBS too) > > cheers, > Ted Hey dudes. Just got a tBS mailing yesterday. tBS are playing in Ithaca 26 dec. Already got a check on my calendar! theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 4 08:01:37 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 05:01:37 PST Subject: HW, BOC: Names - Imaginos, God and Church of HW Message-ID: >> ...X-Files....hmmmm. Dreary and tedious if you've gor something better >> to watch. As a TV programme in a country with 4 channels, it's worth >> watching > >Who still lives in a country with four channels? Although I usually find >_The X-Files_ tedious and dreary with 20-odd to choose from... obHW: TV >Suicide :) > >-Andy Okay, does this mean I'm alone in spending less time in front of the TV than I spend on the shitter? I can't justify spending money on cable and satellite subscriptions which I'm not gonna use. Anyway, I still haven't seen anything worth watching on _Sky_ which hasn't already been on TV or which isn't about to get it's "Network Premiere". ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 4 07:04:18 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:04:18 EDT Subject: Off: Swastika Lemmy HW In-Reply-To: <1636453.3090187901@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: "Carl E. Anderson" > Recall, for example, Al Bouchard's mention of some of the wacko types > that ealy BOC ran into, after they did Secret Treaties. I remember > mention of some jerk in SS regalia accosting them backstage in the belief > they were crypto-nazis of some kind. > Of course, a significant number of BOC were Jewish--the subtle > pseudo-Nazi imagery was a bit of the shock rock thing. But it's easy to > how it backfires. > Actually, Eric's the only member of BOC who is Jewish... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 4 07:14:50 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:14:50 EDT Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971203210940.00954250@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: > From: Daniel Wikdahl > >>I think one can make fun of almost everything. > >>...and especially you, Christian, can make fun of everything! :-) > > > >Maybe that's my problem - I laugh at trouble, I can't help laughing > >when I'm in deep shit, I think I will laugh when the world goes under > >because we ask for it! > > I wish I was like that too. > I think I worry too much. > > > > >Humour is the best tool to get ideas about ourselves > >across, or *satire* rather - IMO. > > Good satire is hard to make. > Fun irony is even harder - and that's IMO. > I'm more "to the point" when I'm writing causeries etc > (which I have to do tonight! Damn! I think I'm going to wright about > cutlery...) > > > > > > >I have devolved into a goddamn clown on this list. In the real > >world I am a grim, unsmiling mean fucker. > In Shakespeare, the clown usually makes very profound observations, and is the only person who can truly speak his mind in front of the king...Always a very important character in a tragedy... > theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Dec 4 08:39:56 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:39:56 +0000 Subject: Off: Swastika Lemmy HW Message-ID: On tor 4 dec 1997 08.04 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" wrote: >> Of course, a significant number of BOC were Jewish--the subtle >> pseudo-Nazi imagery was a bit of the shock rock thing. But it's easy to >> how it backfires. >> > Actually, Eric's the only member of BOC who is Jewish... Oh, I had thought more of them were. Ah well. Still, the principle applies. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Dec 4 08:41:39 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:41:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! Message-ID: On tor 4 dec 1997 08.14 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" wrote: > In Shakespeare, the clown usually makes very profound observations, > and is the only person who can truly speak his mind in front of > the king...Always a very important character in a tragedy... For what says Quinipaulus? "Better a witty fool than a foolish wit!" Cheers, Carl ps - or something like that ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Dec 4 09:54:01 1997 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:54:01 +1000 Subject: HW: Oz Tour - Poster Draft Message-ID: Hi everyone, There are still a few minor details to sort out with the band before the contract is signed, but that will be happening (at latest) by Monday. In the meantime I have done some work on the A2 National Tour Poster layout. A sample is at http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks/a2nat_3t.gif (put there for Dave to look at) A similar layout (but with more local information) will be used for the local A3 posters, flyers and magazine adverts. What's left to do on the poster includes any artwork which Dave wants to add/change, and the addition of logo's for Radio Stations, etc. Sonique PS: Anyone else get removed from the list without warning?? -- obHappy: Australian Hawkwind Tour - Feb '97!!!! Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! ____________________________________________________________________ The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus From chip at PCC.COM Thu Dec 4 09:11:56 1997 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:11:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: <348610A4.513D026A@starlinx.com> from "Ron Jennings" at Dec 3, 97 09:08:36 pm Message-ID: Ron Jennings spoke thusly: >the difference is that with most of the bands you mention, satanism was >superimposed by bullet-headed preachers andpoliticians who used it as a tool to >simply have things their way. Ok, what about Elvis? What about Mozart? What about Charlie Parker? You're picking on one silly part of "shocking" art (Satanism). > > Doesn't ANYONE remember Lennon's "Jesus" comment from years ago? > > john lennon's statement was sarcasm, and fairly accurate to boot. 1) Are you sure it was sarcastic, especially if it were true? And, if he were indeed sarcastic, THEN IT WAS HIS POINT TO SHOCK. That's MY point. In 1963, comparing yourself to Jesus was was *unquestionably* shocking. More so than any commercial video. 2) So, if it's accurate...it's not shocking? Tell me which part of Marilyn Manson's S+M imagery isn't being enacted right now in basements across this country. [And don't ANYONE start to tell me how "bad" things like that are. To each his own.] 3) Everyone whining here about Marilyn Manson probably has an Ozzy album or two somewhere - what's the difference? WHAT ABOUT ALICE COOPER? The people here complaining about MM have probably tapped their fingers to "I'm 18" or "School's Out" at least once in their lives - EVER SEEN AN ALICE COOPER SHOW? It's GWAR and MM combined. Cripes. > MOST of those > people who burned beatles albums would gleefully have skipped church or prayer > to attend a concert- prior to the statement. Oh, really? Care to prove this? >the statement was attacked so >vehementlyby the kind of shit-minded dolts who usually pull the strings, that a >mob situation developed. You mean like Cincinnati banning a Mapplethorpe exhibit? Like Kentucky banning Marilyn Manson? Like the Beatles being banned all over the country? Like Elvis not being allowed on TV, and then only from the waist down. That's what I mean about perspective. People here have complained about "how awful" things are today and "how could they get any worse?" Parents have been saying the same thing since the beginning of time. It's just that many people here are happy with the "shocking" rock of their youth - on this list, it's BOC and HW. Well, guys, 15 years ago, people were complaining about BOC just like you're complaining about MM. "No talent." "Satanic." Pick one. > again, all the shock-shit is just silliness. the > people who get worked up over this kind of thing need some REAL problems > injected into their worlds. *EXACTLY*. > > Get some perspective, guys, please! >what perspective? the bands talked about here are posers and pretenders. And Ozzy isn't?! As for pretending - *IS THERE ANOTHER PURPOSE FOR ROCK MUSIC?!* That's what it's all about, ultimately. > GWAR > is a deliberate joke. Righto. Getting worked up about them (as people have here) is a waste of time. > marilyn manson isthe big brother playing simple magic > tricks to the amazement of the infantile neighborhood kids. Quite right. Not worth being judgemental. >if i want to see the doings of diseased minds, all i have to do is walk >outside, or turn on the news. i dont have to listen towannabe musicians for it. Perhaps, but I often prefer to have a soundtrack. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Dec 3 21:15:46 1997 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:15:46 +0000 Subject: HW, BOC: Names - Imaginos, God and Church of HW Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > > > ...X-Files....hmmmm. Dreary and tedious if you've gor something better > > to watch. As a TV programme in a country with 4 channels, it's worth > > watching > > Who still lives in a country with four channels? Although I usually find > _The X-Files_ tedious and dreary with 20-odd to choose from... obHW: TV > Suicide :) > > -Andy > > -- > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham Well I do - I'm not prepared to pay for cable/satellite, and Channel 5 reception in Stratford is appalling - unless you go into my ex-girlfriend's bedroom, for some strange reason. When the Chelsea/Tronso match was on, it took me ten minutes to realise that they actually were playing in a blizzard. :-) Cheers, Rich. ObPub: Lord Rodney's Head, Whitechapel From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 4 09:16:05 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 06:16:05 PST Subject: Off: Swastika Lemmy HW Message-ID: >> Of course, a significant number of BOC were Jewish--the subtle >> pseudo-Nazi imagery was a bit of the shock rock thing. But it's easy to >> how it backfires. >> >Actually, Eric's the only member of BOC who is Jewish... > > Whaddabout Sandy?? And Meltzer?? They were pretty much members. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Dec 4 09:11:19 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:11:19 -0600 Subject: BOC at Jaxx last year Message-ID: >neither! it's on 'Earthshaker'...but any excuse to listen to 'Y & T' and 'SD' is a good one....I just need to finish getting their catalog on CD...darn Japanese import prices! My bad. Dream Disc has all the old classics, Japanese versions, for $24 which is one of the best prices I've ever seen. Now and then a local Circuit City carries one of the big three (Meanstreak, Earthshaker, Black Tiger) for around $20. I got all except Open Fire, Down For the Count and the new one. >well, I wouldn't count on them playing Jaxx again, due to an altercation between a fan well known to the band and the bouncers at the last show there....Buck said something to the effect that "we'll never play there again if they treat our fans like that"....it may have only been a threat.. but I know he was pretty pissed about it....(I wasn't there, but know the guy that was involved) I didn't see any scrapes unless they happened immediately after the show. I zapped outside as soon as I knew they wouldn't do any more songs. Alan and Danny came out the side exit extremely pissed and didn't want to talk much. Buck appeared several minute later and seemed to be in a good mood, he gave me several more autographs for my cd inserts. Never did see Eric come out. I figured the mood was attributed to their performance, which wasn't typical BOC quality that night, or Jaxx was trying to screw them on the fee. That place has a history of doing that I'm told. >as far as the shows, well, I don't live that far north of DC, so you're >welcome to hitch with me any time if you like (I'm curious to see tBS too) Hey lets go private with the logistics maybe we can work out some arrangements. Wish we could get Dave M and the boys to swing eastward. L8er lil ab OBCD - Gary Hoey (Self Titled) From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Dec 4 09:13:49 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:13:49 -0600 Subject: OFF: Atrocities Message-ID: >No, in the West the Jewish holocaust in the best known mass atrocity, >but there are plenty of similar examples. Pol Pot comes to mind ... Not sure of the original author and generally that's probably a correct statement. For some of us though that is not the case. More people died in the "Great Passage" (transporting slaves to America) than the Holocaust. History never puts any of these things in the proper prospective. The Great Passage, the Holocaust, Stalin, Pol Pot all testaments of man's inhumanity to his fellow man for no valid reason at all. Wasn't it Stalin who said something akin to the loss of life of a single man is a tragedy, kill a million however and its a statistic. I'm paraphrasing heavily here. This is all very interesting but its really bumming me out thinking about this stuff. L8er lil ab "I believe that situations all depend on circumstance." - Chance, Savatage From lansford at VNET.NET Thu Dec 4 09:20:58 1997 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:20:58 GMT Subject: Origins of the BOC symbol In-Reply-To: <3485BA81.7EF1@fcmc.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:01:05 -0500, Marc Power wrote: >Now, on to the BOC symbol, which BOC maintained was the ancient symbol >for Kronos. > > | > | > ---.--- > \ > \_/ > >I have never before seen this symbol, except in relation to BOC, >does anyone have a pre-BOC reference? > >Saturn is the Roman name for Kronos, the Greek God of time, armed >with a Scythe or Sickle and an Hour-Glass (Old father Time). > >This is the planetary symbol for Saturn: > > | > -|- > |/\ > | / > >There is some similarity here, even so far as orientation. My understanding is that the differences are calligraphic, not fundamental. MYTHIC ASTROLOGY says the symbol for the asteroid Ceres is a reversed Saturn, but it's drawn as a reversed BOC symbol. Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Thu Dec 4 09:26:18 1997 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:26:18 GMT Subject: HW: Oz Tour - Poster Draft Message-ID: Paul, Nice poster ! I like the design,, but would have prefered more colour to catch the eye. (I bet that costs a whole lot more though :( ) The line 'From the UK' - is this to prove it's the genuine thing, or are UK bands a big draw down there ? I really hope this tour works out for all you down under, live HW still beats the pants of sitting at home listening to them on CD. Unless its 1999 or SR :) Best of luck, Neil. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Dec 4 09:30:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:30:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Oz Tour - Poster Draft In-Reply-To: Sonique's mail of Fri, 5 Dec 97 00:54 +1000 Message-ID: Cool! You're doing totally excellent work there, Paul. Have you considered putting a small white line between each date? At the moment it's possible to look at the poster quickly and conclude that they're playing Adelaide (for example) on the 9th, instead of the 8th. That could put a real downer on somebody's week! > obHappy: Australian Hawkwind Tour - Feb '97!!!! You're living in the past, mate. Try the future instead! ;-) Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From bcash at ESSC.PSU.EDU Thu Dec 4 09:32:19 1997 From: bcash at ESSC.PSU.EDU (Benjamin Cash) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:32:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) In-Reply-To: <1658317.3090188265@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl E. Anderson" at Dec 4, 97 01:37:45 am Message-ID: > > considerably, both with time and from person to person. Not to mention > the > > merry hell that this would raise with those of us using temperature for > more > > than 'is it cold out?' ;) > > Fie upon thee :) > If I may be brutally facist for a moment, the number of people using > temperature measures to determine "Is it cold out?" far outweighs those > using them for anything else :) > Do we not have computers? Use them for converting the units :) Ah yes, but remember it is us hard working folks who are trying to find out for you if it will be cold out that you will be confusing here...sort of defeating your own purpose eh you brutally fascist b at stard. :) Ben ...for anyone reading the flamethrowers for my last comment above Carl and I have known each other a LONG time, he can take care of pummeling me himself. :> From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Dec 4 08:23:13 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:23:13 +0100 Subject: HW: An open letter to EMI and HW Message-ID: Hi Steve and the rest of you out there! Steve Pond wrote: > On Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:34:05 +0100, you sent through the ether: > > >Well, I think we all agree with Bernhard! It?s just the best live-album ever > >made IMHO! > > Ahem.. Space Ritual.. ahem.... The next best IMHO :-))))) btw. Did you get the money? > S. All the best Henrik -- ========================================================== " Sunrise I greet you, the beauty of your light, so warm and tender was never the night. In tears I see you, the last time it will be, so give me blessing , I?ll meet my destiny" "At the gallows end" from Nightfall by Candlemass Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Thu Dec 4 09:35:21 1997 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:35:21 GMT Subject: OFF : ObPub Message-ID: Rich wrtes :- ObPub: Lord Rodney's Head, Whitechapel Rich, Ever been there on a Monday night to catch the Burns Bros. ? Not quite the Cult Bros., but well up there for funm night out ! Cheers, Neil. From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Dec 4 10:33:15 1997 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:33:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lothar & Early Synth Stuff Message-ID: >From: Douglas Pearson >The United States of America, from LA circa 1968, who used lots of synth >noises & effects over their driving melodic rock sound, with a great female >singer. One of the electronics guys also played violin, often heavily >processed (especially with ring modulator) - Simon House fans take note! >Their sole, self-titled, album has been reissued on CD by Sony, with bonus >tracks. Leader Joe Byrd went on to make another similar, but not quite as >good & rockin' album with a new band called the Field Hippies, before >retreating to staid academia. I think(?) the Field Hippies album has also >been reissued on CD. The United States of America album has been released on CD by Edsel. The Field Hippies album, entitled _The American Metaphysical Circus_, has been reissued on CD by One Way. On his way to staid academia, Joe Byrd also released an album of synthesized Christmas Carols called _Ghost Of Christmas Future_ (or something like that) on Takoma. Haven't seen that one on CD yet. He also did the electronic arrangement for Phil Ochs song "Cruxifiction" on _Pleasures Of The Harbor_. >A few interesting uses of synthesizer/electronics in more mainstream 60s >bands would include: Jim McGuinn (or was he Roger at the time?) of the Byrds had one of the early Moogs and it shows up on various albums. I believe Keith Emerson was the first rock musician to drag a synthesizer on stage. >If I left anyone out, please let me know! There were some one-off electronic albums such as _The Wozard of Id_ and Lucifer's _A Black Mass_. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 4 10:55:01 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:55:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Oz Tour - Poster Draft In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can't say the Hawks arenen't touring Oz without STYLE! Nice, simple & sweet! Christian ObRuleOfThub: "When in doubt, black it out." From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 4 11:11:04 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:11:04 GMT Subject: HW: Warrior mis-press In-Reply-To: Miikka Wagner's message of Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:31:03 +0200 Message-ID: Miikka Wagner writes: > > > >Was there someone on the list who was after a copy of the Pendragon > >miss-pressing of WotEoT? Jill? > > > > Hi! > > What is this Pendragon miss-pressing? It's a pressing of the Griffin CD of Warrior on the Edge of Time that plays Pendragon's "The World" instead. Not unpleasant to listen to but it's not Hawkwind! There seem to be quite a few around of this mispressing but since most folk immediately take them back for replacement you tend only to hear about them after the event. However I have found no evidence of a Pendragon CD that plays Warrior so if anyone comes across one of these I'd be most interested! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Dec 4 09:48:41 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:48:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: <1853673.3090191513@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl E. Anderson" at Dec 4, 97 02:31:53 am Message-ID: Carl says-- > Let's not forget the Swedes were going to ban _Pippi Long-stocking_ > as unduly subversive! Seldom has a more grievious crime against humanity > been contemplated! Wow! If that doesn't prove that humanity is incurably stupid, I don't know what does! :-P Guido obCDplayer--_Curious Corn_ by Ozric Tentacles -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Dec 4 09:55:41 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:55:41 -0500 Subject: off/other: KC's _The Night Watch_? In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Dec 3, 97 11:04:08 pm Message-ID: Paul says-- > > Well, it was live at the Amsterdam Concert Building then. :-) Great album, > > though a tad short for two CDs (a little over 80 minutes). The second CD > > is "enhanced", and has a nice audio/visual sampler of other Discipline > > Global Mobile releases (including the MUST HAVE _Caves of the Iron > > Mountain_ by Steve Gorn, Tony Levin, and Jerry Marotta). > > The _200 Motels_ double CD is rather short, too, but the MPEG trailer > for the movie included therein is very tasty, I must say! I had 200 Motels on LP a LONG time ago, and I sold it because I hated it. I always regretted that decision, especially when it looked like it was never going to be released on CD. I picked up the CD recently, but haven't listened to it yet. Gonna have to give it a spin today (and check out the MPEG). Hopefully, my tastes have evolved (or devolved :-) ) enough so that I'll enjoy it. Guido > obConceptualContinuityGoldmine: _200 Motels_ :-) Especially re: _You are What You is_ :-) -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Dec 4 10:00:59 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:00:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Dec 3, 97 11:09:02 pm Message-ID: Paul says-- > > They ARE clowns! I don't know much about GWAR, but I get the impression > > that they are just doing a "comic book" thing, and that they don't take > > themselves seriously. It's a theater of the absurd. > > Tsk, tsk. You living in Richmond all that time and you don't know much > about its musical claim to fame... ;-) Good heavens! Richmond spawned Dave Matthews AND Gwar? I'm glad I left! :-) > (A guy in our lab is a self-confessed Gwar fan; I have this information > on good authority.) Good for him! The world would be a better place if everyone listened to the occaisional bit of absurd music. Guido obABSURD-CDplayer-- _Tales from the Punchbowl_ by Primus -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 4 11:38:37 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:38:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) Message-ID: >> >About the only unit of distance I can think off > offhand is a "lightyear of love".... > Never thought of that before - makes the exaggerations in the Penthouse > Forum letters pale in comparison... >What exaggerations? :) I see you've read MY letter... ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 4 11:41:25 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:41:25 -0500 Subject: Origins of the BOC symbol Message-ID: >What's the story behind BOC's alias? [aliases?] Prince Omega, J Python and Buck Dharma are the only ones I remember. Which are the other three? ...and John S... please don't tell me to "FAQ off" now... ;-) ME? ;-) Well, the other names are La Vern (Allen) and Andy Winters (they didn't come up with one for him). As far as I know, Pearlman made them up, but I have no idea how he came up with them -- also, I understand that the band didn't really like the idea, with the exception perhaps of Buck. Eric didn't want to be called Jessie Python. Hey Albert, how did you feel about Prince Omega? John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 4 11:43:43 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:43:43 -0500 Subject: BOC: Origins of the BOC aliases Message-ID: >Was the other pre-BOC release recorded by SWU or Oaxaca? SWU >Wheren't they called "Cow" for a while too? Meltzer wanted to call them that (before they adopted SWU). They also briefly went under the name "Santos Sisters" John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 4 11:50:47 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:50:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: > Let's not forget the Swedes were going to ban _Pippi Long-stocking_ as unduly subversive! Hey, Pippi was a babe. My secret fondness for redheads can probably b be traced directly back to when I saw my first PL movie. ;-) John ObApeQuote: The Forbidden Zone was once a paradise - your kind made a desert out of it. (Dr. Zaius speaking to Taylor) From mpower at FCMC.COM Thu Dec 4 12:01:30 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:01:30 -0500 Subject: Bagel Anarchy in the U.K. Message-ID: > Carl writes: > Mind you, it is hard enough to find _really_ decent bagels outside > NYC either (IMO). Gods know I've not found any reasonable bagels in > England. I think you are out-of-luck in Cambridge Carl, but if you in London anytime, just go to Brick Lane at 2-3am. You will be able to get the best bagels to be had in the U.K. there (they make them a little smaller than the NYC norm, but then, they sell them by the bag and they will put a sandwich filling in for you, mashed herring (yum!), cream cheese, Smoked Salmon (Lox), Chicken Livers etc. It used to be our staple diet when I was playing in bands in the U.K. and we were recording all night (well ok, maybe not the chicken livers!) And during the day, in much the same area (East End) you will be able to get the best Indian food. In Herring we Trust, Marc. -- SpaceRock Central - featuring the extraordinary music of B0RN to G0 and Alien Planetscapes. (site in progress). "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 4 12:02:26 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:02:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: the monkeys & the fooles (ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!!) In-Reply-To: <2094977.3090231699@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: wrote: > In Shakespeare, the clown usually makes very profound observations, > and is the only person who can truly speak his mind in front of > the king...Always a very important character in a tragedy...I guess I fall At 13:41 04.12.97 +0000, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > For what says Quinipaulus? "Better a witty fool than a foolish wit!" I guess I'll fall somewhere inbetween? :) Always dug the symbolism of the fool in the Tarot. (It's an electric line to my Zodiac sign too. Never mind those most uncool bits about the hanged man and the tower struck by lightning!) Bah! Karma schwarma... pedal that broken wheel one more turn, dr. Hoffman. Christian ObCD: Architectural Metaphor _Creature Of The Velvet Void_ ObPrehistoricLemmy: Sam Gopal _Escalator_ PS: Assuming Elvis has yet to leave the building: before one of those infinite number of monkeys over here finish typing up Shakespeare's BOC-L play, I gotta let the King know this: The truth is really friggin out there! Assuming the REAL Steve Swann actually is Elvis, that is. "Keep typin' General Urko! You can do it, man!" - William Shakespeare >ps - or something like that ... indeed. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 4 12:29:45 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:29:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: > Like Elvis not being allowed on TV, and then only from the waist down. Uh Chip... >3) Everyone whining here about Marilyn Manson probably has an Ozzy album or two somewhere - what's the difference? WHAT ABOUT ALICE COOPER? The people here complaining about MM have probably tapped their fingers to "I'm 18" or "School's Out" at least once in their lives - EVER SEEN AN ALICE COOPER SHOW? It's GWAR and MM combined. Good points, for what I know about Ozzy, Alice (both of which I've seen), MM and GWAR (which I haven't - well, did catch some live footage of a recent GWAR show in Boston - decapitated corpse spewing blood everywhere via a hose - all seemed very silly to me). My dislike from what I know about MM is the blantant attack on my religious beliefs (agree or disagree with me, but I believe in God, and feel that an album titled "Anti-Christ Superstar" crosses the line for me personally). Ozzy, despite what people wanted you to believe, never came across to me as "satanic" - sure, there was some evil imagery, but it was more like a horror movie. And, if you look at much of Ozzy and Black Sabbath's lyrics, you can see that they are more political than religious, and often speak of loving eachother -- Ozzy, despite his image, is basically a hippie from the 60s. Also, the guy says "God Bless You" in concert far too much to be a satanist, IMHO. As for Alice Cooper, he definitely had some graphic shows - again, I saw it more like a horror movie though. Also, and maybe this is a meaningless point, but Cooper didn't, to my knowlege cover the audience in blood + guts (and other fluids that GWAR uses). I wonder if getting the audience involved in such a way somehow changes the concert from just a "show" to some sort of "experience" (for lack of a better term). Anyways, this isn't a disagreement with Chip - just some food for thought. >That's what I mean about perspective. People here have complained about "how awful" things are today and "how could they get any worse?" Parents have been saying the same thing since the beginning of time. True enough. You wonder though - and this is not meant as an argument of Chip's points - when does it end? I mean, at some point (and some would think we're getting close), almost nothing becomes shocking or "over the top". What will be shocking in 50 or so years? Final food for thought - there's a saying that if you throw a frog in a pot of boiling water, it will jump out. But, put him in a pot of lukewarm water and slowly turn up the heat over time, and he'll eventually be cooked alive. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 4 12:31:23 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:31:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Atrocities Message-ID: >Wasn't it Stalin who said something akin to the loss of life of a single man is a tragedy, kill a million however and its a statistic. I'm paraphrasing heavily here. Yes Adrian - it's in the liner notes of "Dead Winter Dead" -- "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic" - Josef Stalin Just happened to be listening to DWD right now... John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Dec 4 13:02:31 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:02:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) Message-ID: On tor 4 dec 1997 09.32 -0500 "Benjamin Cash" wrote: >> If I may be brutally facist for a moment, the number of people using >> temperature measures to determine "Is it cold out?" far outweighs those >> using them for anything else :) >> Do we not have computers? Use them for converting the units :) > > Ah yes, but remember it is us hard working folks who are trying to find out > for you if it will be cold out that you will be confusing here...sort > of defeating your own purpose eh you brutally fascist b at stard. :) Faw! That's just the kind of thing I'd expect a meteorologist to say. > ...for anyone reading the flamethrowers for my last comment above Carl and > I have known each other a LONG time, he can take care of pummeling me himself. > :> Quite. You show up in Boston and I'll assail you with Imperial measurements ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tom at ABACUS-DIRECT.COM Thu Dec 4 13:01:00 1997 From: tom at ABACUS-DIRECT.COM (Tom Minsel) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:01:00 -0700 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: >Uh Chip... > >>3) Everyone whining here about Marilyn Manson probably has an > Ozzy album or two somewhere - what's the difference? WHAT ABOUT > ALICE COOPER? The people here complaining about MM have > probably tapped their fingers to "I'm 18" or "School's Out" at > least once in their lives - EVER SEEN AN ALICE COOPER SHOW? I've actually heard that Alice Cooper is a "born-again" Christian these days. I've also heard interviews with him where he has stated that 'Alice Cooper has a very strong belief in a higher being that everyone is ultimately accountable to and would NEVER do anything to mock or denounce that higher being or religion'. That's a far cry from MM's "Anti-Christ Superstar" bit. Tom Tom Minsel, Ph.D. Statistical Services Abacus-Direct Corp. 8774 Yates Dr. Westminster, CO. 80030 (303) 657-5274 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Dec 4 13:10:15 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:10:15 +0000 Subject: Bagel Anarchy in the U.K. Message-ID: On tor 4 dec 1997 12.01 -0500 "Marc Power" wrote: >> Carl writes: >> Mind you, it is hard enough to find _really_ decent bagels outside >> NYC either (IMO). Gods know I've not found any reasonable bagels in >> England. > > I think you are out-of-luck in Cambridge Carl, but if you in London > anytime, just go to Brick Lane at 2-3am. You will be able to get the > best bagels to be had in the U.K. That's it! I _need_ to launch an expedition! There must and shall be bagels!! Cheers, Carl ObBialy: What's that 24 hr bialy place on the lower east side of Manhattan? Something simple like "Bialy Factory" or something ... I deeply envy my sister, who lives within easy striking distance! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Dec 4 13:13:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:13:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's mail of Thu, 4 Dec 97 18:02 +0000 Message-ID: On 04 Dec 18:02, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > Quite. You show up in Boston and I'll assail you with Imperial > measurements ;) Furlongs at dawn! Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 4 12:19:32 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:19:32 EDT Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: <199712041729.MAA22559@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Good points, for what I know about Ozzy, Alice (both of which I've seen), > MM and GWAR (which I haven't - well, did catch some live footage of a > recent GWAR show in Boston - decapitated corpse spewing blood everywhere > via a hose - all seemed very silly to me). > I don't know much at all about GWAR, but I remember a guy in the band saying something great once. GWAR had been given some MTV video award, and he said [I paraphrase] "I am truly ashamed to be receiving an award from MTV. This is an embarassment...' I'm not doing justice to his quote, but I remember rolling on the floor at the time I read it...Can't hate the guy too much! theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 4 13:22:13 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:22:13 PST Subject: BOCBOCBOC-Softening the Doctrines Message-ID: Yo! What do we have on the unpublished Pearlman blanga?? What gets said, story and developmentwise that we haven't heard. Can we build on it?? Chris. +++++++ Sweeping into the bar with his leather coat billowing behind was perhaps the only way he could make his entrance. He ordered a pint and then sat in a booth, eyes towards the door. The faces would come soon. "Hi!", the voice fitted her, sweet young lips and those eyes. She set the beer in front of him, throwing a barmat underneath the glass just before it touched the wood. Expertly. "Anything else I can get you?". It said Suzy on her name-tag, but he was trying not to look at her chest. "Yeah," He wasn't desperate or anything. Honest. "Where can I get gas near here?" "Oh, that's your bike outside?" He smiled, his shades foreign mirrors. "Cool. Oh, the gas, there's a real cheap station just over the block." As he watched her hips shimmy away, her hair looked weird, writhing like worms, she seemed ten feet tall, hunched, half fish half person. The faces had come. Outside on the turnpike, dust blew in spirals. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 4 12:27:10 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:27:10 EDT Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: <199712041801.LAA28093@denver.abacus-direct.com> Message-ID: > From: Tom Minsel [Christian, please ignore this!] > I've actually heard that Alice Cooper is a "born-again" Christian these > days. I've also heard interviews with him where he has stated that 'Alice > Cooper has a very strong belief in a higher being that everyone is > ultimately accountable to and would NEVER do anything to mock or denounce > that higher being or religion'. That's a far cry from MM's "Anti-Christ > Superstar" bit. > Alice endorses golf clubs these days! He's a scratch golfer...Go figure! theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 4 12:29:38 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:29:38 EDT Subject: Bagel Anarchy in the U.K. In-Reply-To: <541746.3090247815@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: "Carl E. Anderson" > > I think you are out-of-luck in Cambridge Carl, but if you in London > > anytime, just go to Brick Lane at 2-3am. You will be able to get the > > best bagels to be had in the U.K. > > That's it! I _need_ to launch an expedition! There must and shall > be bagels!! > > Cheers, > Carl > This might be a bit of a trek for ya, but right here in gloomy Syracuse, bagels are pretty much an art form. I assume it's cause so many kids from the NYC metro area go to school here? theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Dec 4 11:02:04 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:02:04 +0000 Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! In-Reply-To: <2094977.3090231699@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <2094977.3090231699 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, "Carl E. Anderson" writes >For what says Quinipaulus? "Better a witty fool than a foolish wit!" > >Cheers, >Carl > >ps - or something like that ... better a shining wit than a whi...oh never mind :) -- Jon Browne From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 4 13:33:58 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:33:58 -0000 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: > Final food for thought - there's a saying that if you throw a frog in a > pot of boiling water, it will jump out. But, put him in a pot of > lukewarm > water and slowly turn up the heat over time, and he'll eventually be > cooked alive. Best with plenty of garlic! Yum! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Dec 4 13:34:38 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:34:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lothar & Early Synth Stuff In-Reply-To: <971204103315.20200244@pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: In article <971204103315.20200244 at pa.msu.edu>, John McIntyre writes >I believe Keith Emerson was the first rock musician to drag a synthesizer on >stage. And indeed drop one off stage and onto the head of a member of the audience! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Dec 4 08:03:17 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:03:17 +0000 Subject: HW, BOC: Names - Imaginos, God and Church of HW In-Reply-To: <01BD00AE.22005AC0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BD00AE.22005AC0.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andy Gilham writes >Who still lives in a country with four channels? Although I usually find >_The X-Files_ tedious and dreary with 20-odd to choose from... obHW: TV >Suicide :) Quite. Even with the god-knows-how-many channels we have in the UK, 5 terrestrial, umpteen satellite/cable, I'd still rather read a book, play Red Alert, drink 8 beers/whatever, play some '60's psyche or whatever new release from the extended HW family is out *this* week, check BOC-L, read some BITCHIN' comics like Frank Millers SIN CITY, play ma gee-tar etc., rather than watch the flippin' theif of time that is the X-Files. Bugger, I might even go out! But then I've got kids and the kind of leisure time above described is a rare commadity anyway. Two or three hours at the end of the day tops. -- Jon From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Dec 4 13:13:56 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:13:56 +0000 Subject: OFF: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 03 Dec 1997 15:06:33 GMT." <1000050.3090150393@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > I'll never learn to understand metric temperatures--especially since > people living in East Anglia seem to have a different understanding about > what "hot" and "cold" seem to mean than people did where I grew up :) Oi, You calling us locals jessies or what ? :) Tim From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Dec 4 14:10:59 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:10:59 +0100 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: At 10:27 PM 12/3/97 +0000, you wrote: >> >> Hmm, I've never listened to the lyrics of the Watcher. I'll do it when > I comes >> home tonight. >> > >Heretic. > What? Did I write that? ...ooops, I must have been thinking loud... :-) - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Dec 4 14:27:05 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:27:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: First, its amazing how you start to make one point and several completely different points are made of it. yer reply to my post (which was a reply to your post, i think), seems to indicate that you think i actually care about the whole deal. nope. > Ok, what about Elvis? What about Mozart? What about Charlie > Parker? You're picking on one silly part of "shocking" art > (Satanism). elvis? what, the pelvis thing? that was never intended to shock. that was intended to titillate. and to the crowd it was aimed at, it did. the people who were shocked were people who most likely came from homes where bride and groom slept in seperate bedsuntil it came time to PROCREATE, then quickly returned to their own beds. =) mozart? i dont know jack about mozart, nor do i care. what about charlie parker? (just a reminder- my post was meant to say: don't be shocked. if i came across another way, well now ya know why i never made it as a literary force.) > > > Doesn't ANYONE remember Lennon's "Jesus" comment from years ago? > > > > john lennon's statement was sarcasm, and fairly accurate to boot. > > 1) Are you sure it was sarcastic, especially if it were true? > And, if he were indeed sarcastic, THEN IT WAS HIS POINT TO SHOCK. > That's MY point. In 1963, comparing yourself to Jesus was > was *unquestionably* shocking. More so than any commercial > video. if we are talking about the same thing, "we are more popular than christ," or "they're gonna crucify me," well:more popular than christ. they were inordinately popular, and the first to admit it. it became a drag. the statement was a deliberate exaggeration (translated stretched truth), meant (i believe) to be a wake up call to the fawning masses ala "GET A LIFE!" the other bit, the song, was an extension of the same or vice versa. and he was right. they did crucify him. (metaphorically.) > 2) So, if it's accurate...it's not shocking? Tell me which part > of Marilyn Manson's S+M imagery isn't being enacted right now in > basements across this country. [And don't ANYONE start to tell > me how "bad" things like that are. To each his own.] who cares? just cos something is real doesnt mean the misguided, impressionable kids who make up the bulk ofthe crowd who is taken in by all this need to be exposed to all this. and what's this trying to justify stupidity by the previous generation's stupidity anyway? that was my whole point- its all been done. > 3) Everyone whining here about Marilyn Manson probably has an > Ozzy album or two somewhere - what's the difference? WHAT ABOUT > ALICE COOPER? The people here complaining about MM have > probably tapped their fingers to "I'm 18" or "School's Out" at > least once in their lives - EVER SEEN AN ALICE COOPER SHOW? > It's GWAR and MM combined. don't recall hearing any whining. just some people stating their opinions. and i have never and never will own an ozzy album.i have heard most of the stuff, and its ok. not great, but ok. never had the desire to see the show. same for alice cooper. i saw gwar on jerry springer once. they said in so many words... we are not to be taken seriously, we are not musicians. we are stage performers, a circus. > Cripes. take a pill. > > MOST of those > > people who burned beatles albums would gleefully have skipped church or prayer > > to attend a concert- prior to the statement. > > Oh, really? Care to prove this? oh, about as quickly as you can disprove it. i based the statement on my own willingness to do so,my mother's, and so forth. i realize that if BOC or HW did a one show only tour in your home-town, on sunday, or whatever day you think is holy, you would stand fast and miss the concert because you had to go to church. probably more so when you were a starry-eyed teen in awe of the band. sure. whatever. ;) > >the statement was attacked so > >vehementlyby the kind of shit-minded dolts who usually pull the strings, that a > >mob situation developed. > > You mean like Cincinnati banning a Mapplethorpe exhibit? Like > Kentucky banning Marilyn Manson? Like the Beatles being banned > all over the country? Like Elvis not being allowed on TV, and > then only from the waist down. why yes, that is precisely what i meant. > That's what I mean about perspective. People here have > complained about "how awful" things are today and "how could > they get any worse?" Parents have been saying the same thing > since the beginning of time. It's just that many people here > are happy with the "shocking" rock of their youth - on this > list, it's BOC and HW. Well, guys, 15 years ago, people were > complaining about BOC just like you're complaining about MM. > "No talent." "Satanic." yes, people have been saying that for ages. and they have been right. things are getting worse. if you dont believe that,i wish i felt the same way. my point was that i dont like the music. IMO it offers nothing new. nothing new. nothing new. that is why (i believe) they feel the need to put on such antics. and as one who denies the existence of satan, i could care less about it. (im not an atheist. i simply have no religion. and take responsibility for my own evils) > > > Get some perspective, guys, please! > >what perspective? the bands talked about here are posers and pretenders. > > And Ozzy isn't?! sure, add him to the list. > As for pretending - *IS THERE ANOTHER PURPOSE FOR ROCK MUSIC?!* > That's what it's all about, ultimately. i disagree. but oh well. i think its all about having good tunes to listen to when yer driving. i could give a shit about the spirit of rock and roll. > > marilyn manson isthe big brother playing simple magic > > tricks to the amazement of the infantile neighborhood kids. > > Quite right. Not worth being judgemental. having an opinion is not _quite_ the same as being judgemental. > >if i want to see the doings of diseased minds, all i have to do is walk > >outside, or turn on the news. i dont have to listen towannabe musicians for it. > > Perhaps, but I often prefer to have a soundtrack. rock on. rj From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Dec 4 14:47:24 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:47:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: Carl writes: > Let's not forget the Swedes were going to ban _Pippi Long-stocking_ >as unduly subversive! Did we really try to do that? I'm not sure about it... I've never heard it before... But I know PL met some heavy opposition in the US. You know, according to Swedish law - it's impossible to ban a book. And AFAIK that's not a new law. But I'll check this out. pillutta dig - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Dec 4 14:53:31 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:53:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: Snow, metric propaganda! :-) Message-ID: On tor 4 dec 1997 18.13 +0000 bart wrote: >> I'll never learn to understand metric temperatures--especially since >> people living in East Anglia seem to have a different understanding about >> what "hot" and "cold" seem to mean than people did where I grew up :) > > Oi, You calling us locals jessies or what ? :) No, but I can if you think it would help :) Here, I think the winters are warmish (offset by totally uninsulated buildings ;) and the summers are cool. I dare say Eskimos would be unimpressed by Boston winters, and likewise Amazonian tribes by Boston summers :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 4 14:53:52 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:53:52 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lothar & Early Synth Stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 18:34 04.12.97 +0000, you wrote: >And indeed drop one off stage and onto the head of a member of the >audience! >-- >Jon Browne > !!! Hope it wasn't a MOOG!!!!!! ouch, Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Dec 4 15:15:52 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:15:52 +0000 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: On tor 4 dec 1997 20.47 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > Carl writes: >> Let's not forget the Swedes were going to ban _Pippi Long-stocking_ >>as unduly subversive! > > Did we really try to do that? > I'm not sure about it... I've never heard it before... > But I know PL met some heavy opposition in the US. > You know, according to Swedish law - it's impossible to ban a book. > And AFAIK that's not a new law. > But I'll check this out. So I was told in Sweden last spring. Urban legend? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 4 15:23:40 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:23:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: <199712041801.LAA28093@denver.abacus-direct.com> Message-ID: Alice is just shocking the Shock Rockers!! Just wait till he gets accepted by the bible belter Xians and he'll pull a "No More Mr. Nice Guy" on 'em just like Pat Boone!! Last time I saw him was on an "infomercial"..... Christian (considering changing my name now??) ObClassicFlick: "Roadie" with Meat Loaf, Alice Cooper & Blondie !!!!!!! (and Blondie does a great punk version of Johnny Cash's "Ring of Fire") >I've actually heard that Alice Cooper is a "born-again" Christian these >days. I've also heard interviews with him where he has stated that 'Alice >Cooper has a very strong belief in a higher being that everyone is >ultimately accountable to and would NEVER do anything to mock or denounce >that higher being or religion'. That's a far cry from MM's "Anti-Christ >Superstar" bit. > >Tom > >Tom Minsel, Ph.D. >Statistical Services >Abacus-Direct Corp. >8774 Yates Dr. >Westminster, CO. 80030 >(303) 657-5274 > > From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 4 15:39:18 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:39:18 +0100 Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971204012120.00973c70@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: I think the use of the Swastika with Lemmy, Sid Viscious, Siouxie Sioux, Laibach - the latter in particular - is also that its a symbol so firmly drenched in the stigma of WWII it is bound to provoke on either side. Whether it's "strategically" in the case of Laibach's powerful mish-mash of symbols/ideologies/religion to create extremely unsettling commentary on society and history, or with dumb old Sid, just to piss people off. Lemmy, I would think has some dual idea of it: WWII and its insanity but also in the solar context the individual's undisputed freedom and potential power? Also I think the Swastika retains some sexual connotations, God knows what, but a lot of pent up young men in uniform liked that sort of power symbol I suppose (and still do). The early Siouxie & The Banshees played with it in a kinky S&M context, and I for one cracked up first time I saw Russ Meyer's "Up!" where Hitler enjoys a bit of the whip, not to mention countless badass Nazi-biker go-go chick flicks of the 60s where the Swastika looks fuckin HOT!! swastika a-go-go, Christian At 02:21 04.12.97 +0100, you wrote: >> But I can >>understand >>> if someone believes Motorhead is a naziband. >> >> Only if they've never listened to the songs! > >I think we are getting upset! :-) >Well, there's no need for that... >I know I said something like "listening but not _understanding_" >in my mail. >I've met several people who listen to Motorhead and still think Lemmy&co >are nazis. >These are to kind of people which you don't debate with 'cos they're either >too stupid or too dangerous. Often it's a combination of both. > >But I've got to admit that I don't understand the logic in what Lemmy was doing. >You got to help me there Carl. I've never thought Lemmy was a nazi - that's why >I felt it's hard to udnerstand the use of swastikas. >Hrm. Guess I'll have to read all the mails once again, from the archives. > > mvh - Daniel > > > > > > >> >>-- >>Carl Edlund Anderson >>Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >>St. John's College, University of Cambridge >>mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk >>http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ >> >> > >"Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." > -Joachim H?kansson > >Daniel Wikdahl >Kaptensgatan 2a >S-39 236 KALMAR >SWEDEN > +46 480 245 11 > > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 4 16:59:07 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:59:07 -0500 Subject: Bagel Anarchy in the U.K. Message-ID: > That's it! I _need_ to launch an expedition! There must and shall be bagels!! Sounds like a Monty Python-esque quest "For the Holy Bagel" God: "Carl, behold the Holy Bagel - look well on it Carl, for it is thy sacred task to seek this bagel. That is your quest Carl - the quest for the Holy Bagel" Carl: God be praised. Let us know if you get attacked by any killer rabbits, Knights that say "Nii!", or stuck in the Castle Anthrax with all those virgins... John From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Dec 4 17:51:42 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:51:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: the monkeys & the fooles (ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!!) In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971204180226.02f641b8@online.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Dec 4, 97 06:02:26 pm Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: > > PS: > Assuming Elvis has yet to leave the building: before one of those infinite > number of monkeys over here finish typing up Shakespeare's BOC-L play, I gotta > let the King know this: The truth is really friggin out there! Assuming the > REAL Steve Swann actually is Elvis, that is. Christian! Did you bring enough (of whatever it is you're smoking) to share with the rest of us? ;-) Steve From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Dec 4 17:56:44 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:56:44 -0500 Subject: BOC at Jaxx last year In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >My bad. Dream Disc has all the old classics, Japanese versions, for $24 >which is one of the best prices I've ever seen. Now and then a local >Circuit City carries one of the big three (Meanstreak, Earthshaker, >Black Tiger) for around $20. I got all except Open Fire, Down For the >Count and the new one. > yeah, Jart has them all for about the same price, except for DFTC ($28?!?) and the new one for $20 > >I didn't see any scrapes unless they happened immediately after the >show. I zapped outside as soon as I knew they wouldn't do any more >songs. Alan and Danny came out the side exit extremely pissed and >didn't want to talk much. Buck appeared several minute later and seemed >to be in a good mood, he gave me several more autographs for my cd >inserts. Never did see Eric come out. I figured the mood was >attributed to their performance, which wasn't typical BOC quality that >night, or Jaxx was trying to screw them on the fee. That place has a >history of doing that I'm told. > well, I wasn't at the show, but heard about from a couple people.... I guess what happened was the bouncers decided someone was doing something they shouldn't and tackled him and dragged him outside... a lot more physically than was necessary, and all right in front of Buck >Hey lets go private with the logistics maybe we can work out some >arrangements. Wish we could get Dave M and the boys to swing eastward. > no prob.....and I'll second that wish about Y&T.....last saw them in '87 though I missed them last year when I was in California....found out on the night of the show that they were playing some club in Palo Alto and I was just down the road in San Jose....I was practically pulling my hair out...... maybe we can get them to do a show with King's X! (and get them to play that play in DC AND Daytona's like KX did last summer......) Cheers, Ted From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Dec 4 17:56:50 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:56:50 -0500 Subject: HW, BOC: Names - Imaginos, God and Church of HW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >In article <01BD00AE.22005AC0.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andy Gilham > writes >>Who still lives in a country with four channels? Although I usually find >>_The X-Files_ tedious and dreary with 20-odd to choose from... obHW: TV >>Suicide :) > >Quite. Even with the god-knows-how-many channels we have in the UK, 5 >terrestrial, umpteen satellite/cable, I'd still rather read a book, play >Red Alert, drink 8 beers/whatever, play some '60's psyche or whatever >new release from the extended HW family is out *this* week, check BOC-L, >read some BITCHIN' comics like Frank Millers SIN CITY, play ma gee-tar >etc., rather than watch the flippin' theif of time that is the X-Files. >Bugger, I might even go out! you guys are completely missing the point! the ONLY reason to watch the X-Files is to play the drinking game! ;-) Cheers, Ted From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Dec 4 18:01:51 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:01:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: GWAR In-Reply-To: <303F9A8107F@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" at Dec 4, 97 01:19:32 pm Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 writes: > > > From: John A Swartz > > > Good points, for what I know about Ozzy, Alice (both of which I've seen), > > MM and GWAR (which I haven't - well, did catch some live footage of a > > recent GWAR show in Boston - decapitated corpse spewing blood everywhere > > via a hose - all seemed very silly to me). > > I don't know much at all about GWAR, but I remember a guy in the band > saying something great once. GWAR had been given some MTV video > award, and he said [I paraphrase] "I am truly ashamed to be receiving > an award from MTV. This is an embarassment...' I'm not doing > justice to his quote, but I remember rolling on the floor at the time > I read it...Can't hate the guy too much! They're very funny. They were the, ahem, "musical" guests of honor at DragonCon this year. I didn't go to the concert, but I did see their pre-concert meeting with the press. It was hysterical, with them lumbering around in those oversized foam-rubber ManOwar getups, and talking up their usual line of shit. I wish I could remember some of the quotes... all that I can recall is that on being asked where they get their costumes, Odorous Urungous (?) replied, "Costumes? We perform in our street clothes. You know, like Springsteen.", while someone else chimed in, "We get 'em off the rack, at K-Mart". Steve swann at panix.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 4 17:20:30 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:20:30 EDT Subject: BOC at Jaxx last year In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Ted Alger > >Hey lets go private with the logistics maybe we can work out some > >arrangements. Wish we could get Dave M and the boys to swing eastward. > > > no prob.....and I'll second that wish about Y&T.....last saw them in '87 > though I missed them last year when I was in California....found out on > the night of the show that they were playing some club in Palo Alto and > I was just down the road in San Jose....I was practically pulling > my hair out...... > maybe we can get them to do a show with King's X! (and get them to > play that play in DC AND Daytona's like KX did last summer......) > > Cheers, > Ted What part of PA are you in? tBS are playing in Ithaca later this month. Might not be that big a drive for ya? theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 4 18:25:56 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 23:25:56 -0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: On Thursday, December 04, 1997 8:39 PM, Christian Mumford [SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] wrote: > I think the use of the Swastika with Lemmy, Sid Viscious, Siouxie Sioux, > Laibach - the latter in particular - is also that its a symbol so firmly > drenched in the stigma of WWII it is bound to provoke on either side. Yeah, but the *really* provocative thing about Laibach is their name, which is the *German* name for Ljubljana! -Andy ObCD: Iggy and the Stooges - _Raw Power_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 4 19:07:07 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 01:07:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: the monkeys & the fooles In-Reply-To: <199712042251.RAA10609@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: At 17:51 04.12.97 -0500, Elvis Presley wrote: >Christian! Did you bring enough (of whatever it is you're smoking) to >share with the rest of us? ;-) We are testing it on you as we speak. (strangely, I have conditioned myself to naturally emulate any state of mind by having my brain record a "blueprint" of any altered thought process and re-induce the reconfiguration at any time. Anything to save some friggin' money[***] !) %^) Christian PS:([***]= insert a "k" where appropriate in word.) ObTape: HW Guildford 1/11/97 @ /\ ____? {8:(|)=(8=8____ @ \/ ? this is not a formula From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Dec 4 19:19:22 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 01:19:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: OB Message-ID: OBFeelingGood: Making a tape: Hawkwind, Kyuss, Fu Manchu, BOC and (Josh Homme's)Gamma Ray. I haven't made a tape to myself in three years... This is fun! - Danne "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Dec 4 19:20:54 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 01:20:54 +0100 Subject: OFF: (ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!!) Message-ID: Motorhead never used an Iron Cross... it was an Irony Cross! mvh - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 4 19:22:15 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 01:22:15 +0100 Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <01BD010C.50D343E0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 23:25 04.12.97 -0000, Andy Gilham wrote: >[SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] wrote: >> I think the use of the Swastika with Lemmy, Sid Viscious, Siouxie Sioux, >> Laibach - the latter in particular - is also that its a symbol so firmly >> drenched in the stigma of WWII it is bound to provoke on either side. > >Yeah, but the *really* provocative thing about Laibach is their name, which >is the *German* name for Ljubljana! Excactly! And the way they mix all the imagery that's trampled over that little place in the name of this and that, and their end result seems to be fascism=nationalism=communism=?????? Apocalyptic in their time, but now they are a sort of industrial Spinal Tap, albeit still pretty chilling (they were ok when they played here last year tho). They sort of lost some footing with the fall of Soviet/eastern bloc, though their NATO album was pretty great. I like their concept of NSK/the collective art and issuing NSK passports! I mean, is really converting Queen's "One Vision" to a Nazi hymn so off the mark??!!!!!! (BTW, I am an old childhood Queen fan :-) Christian From torgo at NORWICH.NET Thu Dec 4 19:29:31 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:29:31 -0500 Subject: tBS in Ithaca Message-ID: Once upon a time, Theo said... >Hey dudes. Just got a tBS mailing yesterday. tBS are playing in >Ithaca 26 dec. Already got a check on my calendar! I received the same flyer, and have placed a large red cult symbol on my calendar for that day. I am going to do my best to be at this show. My nephew goes to school at Ithaca College and he knows of this club they are playing (The Haunt). Poor kid has no taste in music though so I know damn well he won't go with me. Any-hoo, he is going to give me some directions on where the place is, and any info I snag from him I will gladly share with the list of anyone is interested. Torgo (who checks the mailbox every day for a package from Al, only to make that long, empty-handed walk back up the driveway with tears running down his little dirt-streaked cheeks) Torgo has left the building...... torgo at norwich.net *********************************************************************** "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -- Douglas Adams *********************************************************************** From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Dec 4 19:30:12 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:30:12 -0500 Subject: BOC at Jaxx last year In-Reply-To: <308FDF67C26@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: theo said: > >What part of PA are you in? tBS are playing in Ithaca later this >month. Might not be that big a drive for ya? > weeeellll......actually, I'm in Maryland.....just south of Baltimore.....Bethlehem was about as far as I'm willing to drive, unless it's REALLY special.....if it's in the middle of a weekend, I might be able to be persuaded to make a longer road trip, but the military frowns on long absences ;-) Cheers, Ted From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Dec 3 19:40:43 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:40:43 +0000 Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971203213641.006d4ed8@online.no> Message-ID: > >I only laugh at that watered down moose piss you Swedes have the >balls to call beer. Next time the Nazis drop by Sweden for a >drink, why not just let them know where to get the good beer eh? >Like NEXT BLOODY DOOR!!! > > >breakin the wind through a crack in the sky, >Christian > As an Englishman I find ALL Scandinavian beer equivalent to VERY watered down moose-piss: and I bow my head to the Belgians who make the most astonishing beers in the world... ChrisW ObCD: Grateful Dead - Two From The Vault ============================= Chris Warburton, 7 Godstone Road Kenley Surrey CR8 5AG Home phone: 0181 668 4946 Mobile: 0958 754169 ============================ From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Dec 4 19:42:15 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:42:15 -0600 Subject: OFF: parenting Message-ID: Chip> Like Elvis not being allowed on TV, and then only from the waist down. JS>Uh Chip... >3) Everyone whining here about Marilyn Manson probably has an Ozzy album or two somewhere - what's the difference? [Good Stuff Snipped] JS>Anyways, this isn't a disagreement with Chip - just some food for thought. Whew, agree Mr. Swartz. I can see your points too Chip but man the tone feels a wee bit like venting. Some of the threads may appear to be bashing MM and Gwar but mostly I think many have shown some concern over what these bands are and what they do from a different perspective. Many of us are parents and we have become something we never imagined, our own parents. As a parent I have to be concerned with MM and Gwar are doing, but they and their ilk are only a fraction of what I have to concen myself. I'm a Christian and firmly belive that my children are a gift and blessing provided to me by God, they are my responsibility to raise and do the very best I can. That is my basic duty as a parent. Young kids are impressionable and it is my job to help guide them until they can make their own judgements about these things. I'm not saying I forbid them to listen to either of these bands or similar music, no sir, my job is to explain to them what they are seeing and hearing, give them a different perspective to consider. Just becuase you explain the "bird and the bees" to a ten year old does not mean they are ready to watch porn movies with you. CHIP>That's what I mean about perspective. People here have complained about "how awful" things are today and "how could they get any worse?" Parents have been saying the same thing since the beginning of time. To a parent, yeah, the sky is always falling, but from my perspective things are worse today than they were then. I have no idea of your age but maybe you spent your teen years in the late 80's when urban violence exploded to new levels. From your persective they probably aren't much worse. I spent mine in the mid 70's and there is a huge difference. Can they get worse? Absolutely as soon as we run of of prison space and violent people can no longer be incarcerated. As soon as some whacko thinks he can rule the world by employing weapons of mass destruction (imagine if Hitler had todays technology back then, think he would have hesitated?) As soon as Mother Earth has had enough of this bothersome infestation known as man and chucks us all into the upper atomosphere beyond gravity's influence so we drift aimlessly forever, cosmic flotsam. As soon as... Ah you get the picture. L8er lil ab From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Dec 4 20:05:32 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:05:32 +1000 Subject: OFF: Swearing Message-ID: At 10:35 AM 3/12/97 +0000, you wrote: >In article <2188424.3090067106 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, "Carl E. Anderson" > writes >> Well, it undoubtedly predates Wallace, though whether anyone might >>have used it in that context is debateable. It's earliest recorded use is >>borrowed into Latin to describe the impious conduct of some monks--at Ely, >>I think, actually. >> It might have been there used not so much as an obscenity in the >>modern sense, but as a secular word to underline the improperly secular >>activity of the monks. >> >>Cheers, >>Carl > >I was led to believe it was circa 13thC and was an acronym for Fornicate >Under Command of the King. >-- >Jon Browne I heard a long time ago, typical schoolyard sex education I suppose, that it was an acronym to describe the criminal charge For Underage Carnal Knowledge. Then again, I heard a lot of things in the schoolyard... I found the following book here at work and the author says that the word itself in its current form is only traceable to 1503, though his explanation of its possible origins goes on at length about various modern and ancient languages - too long to summarize here. Pete. (who has finally got a permanent Librarian position after five years of contracts, secondments and disappointments) Hughes, Geoffrey, 1939-. Swearing : a social history of foul language, oaths, and profanity in English. - Oxford, UK ; Cambridge, Mass., USA : Blackwell, 1991 [ISBN: 0631165932] ObCD: Budgie - If I Were Britannia I'd Waive the Rules ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance" - D.G. Harris From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Dec 4 20:22:58 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 01:22:58 +0000 Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! Message-ID: On tor 4 dec 1997 00.40 +0000 "Chris Warburton" wrote: > ObCD: Grateful Dead - Two From The Vault Pity about the venue cutting the power at the end of "Morning Dew"! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Dec 4 20:26:11 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 01:26:11 +0000 Subject: OFF: Swearing Message-ID: On fre 5 dec 1997 11.05 +1000 "Peter Sondergeld" wrote: > At 10:35 AM 3/12/97 +0000, you wrote: >>I was led to believe it was circa 13thC and was an acronym for Fornicate >>Under Command of the King. > > I heard a long time ago, typical schoolyard sex education I suppose, that it > was an acronym to describe the criminal charge For Underage Carnal > Knowledge. Then again, I heard a lot of things in the schoolyard... Wow, I thought Jon had been taking the piss! It's not an acronym :) > I found > the following book here at work and the author says that the word itself in > its current form is only traceable to 1503, though his explanation of its > possible origins goes on at length about various modern and ancient > languages - too long to summarize here. I think the earliest reference is older, but I would have to check. I worked through a lot of this stuff trying to figured out some medieval obscenities for a piece of fantasy fiction ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Dec 4 20:23:36 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:23:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: Swearing Message-ID: >(who has finally got a permanent Librarian position after five years of >contracts, secondments and disappointments) Congratulations Pete! mvh - Daniel Wikdahl "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 4 20:19:22 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 01:19:22 -0000 Subject: OFF: Swearing Message-ID: > >I was led to believe it was circa 13thC and was an acronym for Fornicate > >Under Command of the King. > >-- > >Jon Browne > > I heard a long time ago, typical schoolyard sex education I suppose, that > it > was an acronym to describe the criminal charge For Underage Carnal > Knowledge. Then again, I heard a lot of things in the schoolyard... I Geez - a *Van Halen* thread? On Boc-l? Horrors! :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 4 20:47:11 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 01:47:11 -0000 Subject: HW: Oz Tour - Poster Draft Message-ID: Nice poster, Paul, but the dates are fucked up! Thursday and Friday aren't both the 12th! Just these little details ;)) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Dec 4 20:51:04 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:51:04 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mail failure Message-ID: Am I the only one who get's this shit? >From: HIMAIL/MSOBH01/POSTMASTER >To: Daniel Wikdahl >Subject: Mail failure >Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:36:00 +0100 > > >[005] Mail retry count exceeded sending to: > OBERHAUSEN/MSMRCH1 "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Dec 4 23:26:18 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 23:26:18 EST Subject: tBS: Waiting for discs... Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-04 20:18:45 EST, you write: << Torgo (who checks the mailbox every day for a package from Al, only to make that long, empty-handed walk back up the driveway with tears running down his little dirt-streaked cheeks) >> I know the feeling! I asked Deb about it yesterday and she said they had over a hundred orders to fill, so it's taking some time (probably the 6-8 weeks specified). I figure I'm willing to wait if it's because they're having success! :-) SET From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Dec 5 00:47:32 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:47:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Mail failure In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971205015104.0095d3b0@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: nope. got 3 today for my posts Cheers, Ted >Am I the only one who get's this shit? > >>From: HIMAIL/MSOBH01/POSTMASTER > >>To: Daniel Wikdahl >>Subject: Mail failure >>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:36:00 +0100 >> >> >>[005] Mail retry count exceeded sending to: >> OBERHAUSEN/MSMRCH1 > >"Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." > -Joachim H?kansson > >Daniel Wikdahl >Kaptensgatan 2a >S-39 236 KALMAR >SWEDEN > +46 480 245 11 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Dec 5 01:08:08 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:08:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mail failure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I got them too. Bastards!!!! I'm cookin them up and spreading some jam on them for breakfast! Christian ObLikeButNotHave: sleep From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Dec 5 00:08:02 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:08:02 +1100 Subject: OFF: Shlock Rock Message-ID: Hi all, While we're still discussing "nasty" bands, I thought I'd have to share my surprise at the quality of the show I saw last night. Last night was the Misfits concert - and I never thought I'd ever see them in Australia... I'm not much of a Misfits fan, but for Shlock Rock, they do it quite well. One of the most theatrical shows I've seen - smoke, candles, people in hoods & crimson ghost masks, etc. They were all wearing great costumes - It realy reminded me of the early Alice Cooper concerts. The only problem with the show was the mixing, as the vocals could hardly be heard (but that's to be expected I guess...). It's not often that bands like this come to Oz, so it's a breath of fresh air compared to most of the ones that tour. Even though there are some very good bands comming very soon - The Orb, Beck, and er...what's their name?...Hawk-something..... Anyway, I apologise for the "all over the place" style of this mail, but I feel like I'm falling apart after staying up the front of the stage all night. -=- Max "I hope my hearing comes back" Wilcox -=- From Barczinski at CELANESE.DE Fri Dec 5 01:11:19 1997 From: Barczinski at CELANESE.DE (Barczinski, Reiner, WAC) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:11:19 +0100 Subject: AW: OFF: Mail failure Message-ID: Oberhausen ? Sounds like me? But what can I have to do with your mail failure ? Mh? Reiner >-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Ted Alger [SMTP:talger at PIPELINE.COM] >Gesendet am: Freitag, 5. Dezember 1997 06:48 >An: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Betreff: Re: OFF: Mail failure > >nope. got 3 today for my posts > >Cheers, >Ted > >>Am I the only one who get's this shit? >> >>>From: HIMAIL/MSOBH01/POSTMASTER >> >>>To: Daniel Wikdahl >>>Subject: Mail failure >>>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:36:00 +0100 >>> >>> >>>[005] Mail retry count exceeded sending to: >>> OBERHAUSEN/MSMRCH1 >> >>"Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." >> -Joachim H?kansson >> >>Daniel Wikdahl >>Kaptensgatan 2a >>S-39 236 KALMAR >>SWEDEN >> +46 480 245 11 From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Dec 5 02:26:45 1997 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:26:45 +1000 Subject: HW: Oz Tour - Poster Draft Message-ID: Thanks to all for the supportive words .... On 4 Dec 97 at 14:26, Neil Shilladay wrote: > The line 'From the UK' - is this to prove it's the genuine thing, or are UK > bands a big draw down there ? Well, it'd more because I always get "Hawkwind ??? Who are they and where are they from?"! It does make a difference though - people pay more attention to a band they've never heard of if they are from OS ... On 4 Dec 97 at 14:30, Dave Berry wrote: > Have you considered putting a small white line between each date? > At the moment it's possible to look at the poster quickly and conclude > that they're playing Adelaide (for example) on the 9th, instead of > the 8th. That could put a real downer on somebody's week! Maybe ... I'll see how much difference it makes ..... > > obHappy: Australian Hawkwind Tour - Feb '97!!!! > > You're living in the past, mate. Try the future instead! ;-) Fixed now ;^) On 4 Dec 97 at 16:55, Christian Mumford wrote: > ObRuleOfThub: "When in doubt, black it out." My thoughts exactly! On 5 Dec 97 at 1:47, Andy Gilham wrote: > Nice poster, Paul, but the dates are fucked up! Thursday and Friday aren't > both the 12th! > > Just these little details ;)) I know! You're only the second to notice too! Good thing it's a draft (you should have seen the mistakes in the first draft!!) Paul -- obHappy: Australian Hawkwind Tour - Feb '98!!!! Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! ____________________________________________________________________ The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Fri Dec 5 02:38:00 1997 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 01:38:00 CST Subject: tBS: Waiting for discs... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 05 Dec 1997 00:48:39 CST." <199712050548.AAA08973@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Torgo writes: > Torgo (who checks the mailbox every day for a package from Al, only to make > that long, empty-handed walk back up the driveway with tears running down > his little dirt-streaked cheeks) You're not the only one. Each and every day... Steven Tice Adds >I know the feeling! I asked Deb about it yesterday and she said they had over >a hundred orders to fill, so it's taking some time (probably the 6-8 weeks >specified). Well, I GUESS that's a good enough reason. (Ehhh, make Swanny-boy do it. Make 'im earn that mention he gets in the CD liners. :-) ) m@ "What I NEED are Death Valley Nights..." From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Dec 5 06:01:16 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:01:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: Mail failure Message-ID: On fre 5 dec 1997 07.08 +0100 "Christian Mumford" wrote: > I got them too. Bastards!!!! > I'm cookin them up and spreading some jam on them > for breakfast! > > ObLikeButNotHave: sleep No sleep 'til ... er, breakfast! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Dec 5 06:21:04 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:21:04 +0000 Subject: Bagel Anarchy in the U.K. Message-ID: On tor 4 dec 1997 16.59 -0500 "John A Swartz" wrote: >> That's it! I _need_ to launch an expedition! There must and shall > be bagels!! > > Sounds like a Monty Python-esque quest "For the Holy Bagel" > > God: "Carl, behold the Holy Bagel - look well on it Carl, for it is thy > sacred task to seek this bagel. That is your quest Carl - the quest for > the Holy Bagel" > > Carl: God be praised. Amen ... > Let us know if you get attacked by any killer rabbits, Knights that say > "Nii!", or stuck in the Castle Anthrax with all those virgins... The last would be the most dangerous ... I should hear some _very_ sharp words from Tania .... ;) perilously, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 5 06:44:18 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:44:18 EDT Subject: tBS: Waiting for discs... In-Reply-To: <199712050738.BAA23308@chestburster.urbana.css.mot.com> Message-ID: > Torgo writes: > > Torgo (who checks the mailbox every day for a package from Al, only to make > > that long, empty-handed walk back up the driveway with tears running down > > his little dirt-streaked cheeks) Hey Torgo! Glad you're back in the building. You going to tBS gig in Ithaca? theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 5 06:50:26 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:50:26 EDT Subject: tBS in Ithaca In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971204192931.00686738@norwich.net> Message-ID: From: Torgo > Once upon a time, Theo said... > > >Hey dudes. Just got a tBS mailing yesterday. tBS are playing in > >Ithaca 26 dec. Already got a check on my calendar! > > I received the same flyer, and have placed a large red cult symbol on my > calendar for that day. I am going to do my best to be at this show. My > nephew goes to school at Ithaca College and he knows of this club they are > playing (The Haunt). Poor kid has no taste in music though so I know damn > well he won't go with me. Any-hoo, he is going to give me some directions > on where the place is, and any info I snag from him I will gladly share > with the list of anyone is interested. > Please do! Hopefully we can hook up for the gig... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 5 06:56:07 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:56:07 EDT Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971204004043.006d8f40@mcmail.com> Message-ID: From: Chris Warburton > As an Englishman I find ALL Scandinavian beer equivalent to VERY watered > down moose-piss: and I bow my head to the Belgians who make the most > astonishing beers in the world... > > ChrisW The man knows what he's talking about! Imagine a country the size of Connecticut with over 350 brands of beer? theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 5 08:02:34 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 05:02:34 PST Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE _BEER_ Message-ID: > >The man knows what he's talking about! Imagine a country the size of >Connecticut with over 350 brands of beer? > > Ah now that sounds like home. Only all 350 of them are flat, lukewarm and named in a very strange manner...Old Peculiar, The Dogs Bollocks, Bishop's Crook, etc... Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Dec 5 09:13:56 1997 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:13:56 +1000 Subject: OFF: Shlock Rock Message-ID: On 5 Dec 97 at about 16:08, Max digitally scribed: > It's not often that bands like this come to Oz, so it's a breath of > fresh > air compared to most of the ones that tour. Even though there are some very > good bands comming very soon - The Orb, Beck, and er...what's their > name?...Hawk-something..... And not to forget Ozzy at the end of Feb!!! PS: I fixed the poster: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks/a2nat_4.gif Paul -- obHappy: Australian Hawkwind Tour - Feb '98!!!! Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! ____________________________________________________________________ The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Dec 5 08:32:13 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:32:13 +0000 Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE _BEER_ Message-ID: On fre 5 dec 1997 05.02 +0000 "Hoarse Whisperer" wrote: >>The man knows what he's talking about! Imagine a country the size of >>Connecticut with over 350 brands of beer? > > Ah now that sounds like home. Only all 350 of them are flat, lukewarm > and named in a very strange manner...Old Peculiar, The Dogs Bollocks, > Bishop's Crook, etc... No, those are _English_ beers ("Peculier", BTW) and they were discussing _Belgian_ beers ... Mind you, on average English beer is pretty good :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 5 08:31:16 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:31:16 GMT Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!! In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6's message of Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:56:07 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 writes: > From: Chris Warburton > > As an Englishman I find ALL Scandinavian beer equivalent to VERY watered > > down moose-piss: and I bow my head to the Belgians who make the most > > astonishing beers in the world... > > > > ChrisW > > The man knows what he's talking about! Imagine a country the size of > Connecticut with over 350 brands of beer? England? jill "not round not lager" ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Dec 5 08:25:09 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:25:09 -0600 Subject: Torgo Needs His tBS Message-ID: << Torgo (who checks the mailbox every day for a package from Al, only to make that long, empty-handed walk back up the driveway with tears running down his little dirt-streaked cheeks) >> >I know the feeling! I asked Deb about it yesterday and she said they had over >a hundred orders to fill, so it's taking some time (probably the 6-8 weeks >specified). I figure I'm willing to wait if it's because they're having >success! :-) >SET Its great tBS has more business than it can handle right now but this is really sad. Looks like no Torgo reveiw of the latest offering until after the holidays maybe. Bummer. lil ab From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Dec 5 08:28:55 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:28:55 -0600 Subject: I missed tBS the same way Message-ID: lil ab>Wish we could get Dave M and the boys to swing eastward. > Ted>no prob.....and I'll second that wish about Y&T.....last saw them in '87 though I missed them last year when I was in California....found out on the night of the show that they were playing some club in Palo Alto and I was just down the road in San Jose....I was practically pulling my hair out...... Oh man thats brutal. Similar thing happened to me except I arrived in Toronto about a day after tBS had a gig there. Its like being in KX's backyard while they are out on a world tour. Timing is everything. lil ab From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 5 08:42:01 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 05:42:01 PST Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE _BEER_ Message-ID: >>> Imagine a country the size of >>>Connecticut with over 350 brands of beer? >> >> Ah now that sounds like home. Only all 350 of them are flat, lukewarm >> and named in a very strange manner...Old Peculiar, The Dogs Bollocks, >> Bishop's Crook, etc... > > No, those are _English_ beers ("Peculier", BTW) I could never read to well after a few jars, so forgive my typo. > and they were >discussing _Belgian_ beers ... > > Mind you, on average English beer is pretty good :) Ooops. I musta thought Connecticut is bigger than it actually is. Interesting Beer Festival we had here in Belfast a couple of months back, though, several genuinely foreign beers slipped in and astounded most of those in my party by actually having a taste. Why does the taste of Real Ale always remind me of abandoned windmills? Chris. -- The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society - http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Dec 5 08:52:49 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:52:49 +0000 Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE _BEER_ Message-ID: On fre 5 dec 1997 05.42 +0000 "Hoarse Whisperer" wrote: >> ("Peculier", BTW) > > I could never read to well after a few jars, so forgive my typo. Common error this, even in the UK. The word has nothing to do with "strangeness" (as in "peculiar"). A "peculier" was a particular kind of church officer ... hail the ale! Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mwood at AGILE.COM Fri Dec 5 08:56:25 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:56:25 -0500 Subject: HW: _Interstellar Chaos_ review? Message-ID: Anyone familiar with Harvey Bainbridge's 1993 solo release, _Interstellar Chaos_? I've read 2 reviews, one which calls it the "missing link of electronic and space music", and another which claims that _IC_ is dangerously close to techno. Worth checking out, or no? MWood NP: _Ommadawn_ - Mike Oldfield From Barczinski at CELANESE.DE Fri Dec 5 08:54:14 1997 From: Barczinski at CELANESE.DE (Barczinski, Reiner, WAC) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:54:14 +0100 Subject: Beer ?! Message-ID: Beer? Oh, a topic that I know, finally ;) Hmm, I love czech beer best (Budweiser, Pilsener Urquell), like "our" german beer, most of it (and I know lots of them, believe me ;) ), and scandiavian is good, too (But I don' really know if I like it just because of his origin), just got a advent-calendar, where theres a can of Tuborg behind every day's door ... and, yeah, last but not least, Lapin Kulta ... the golden beer of Lapland! Reiner (became thirsty .. damn!) On fre 5 dec 1997 05.02 +0000 "Hoarse Whisperer" wrote: >>The man knows what he's talking about! Imagine a country the size of >>Connecticut with over 350 brands of beer? > > Ah now that sounds like home. Only all 350 of them are flat, lukewarm > and named in a very strange manner...Old Peculiar, The Dogs Bollocks, > Bishop's Crook, etc... No, those are _English_ beers ("Peculier", BTW) and they were discussing _Belgian_ beers ... Mind you, on average English beer is pretty good :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 5 08:08:32 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:08:32 EDT Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE _BEER_ In-Reply-To: <19971205134201.11093.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Hoarse Whisperer > >>> Imagine a country the size of > >>>Connecticut with over 350 brands of beer? > >> > >> Ah now that sounds like home. Only all 350 of them are flat, > lukewarm > >> and named in a very strange manner...Old Peculiar, The Dogs Bollocks, > >> Bishop's Crook, etc... > > > > No, those are _English_ beers ("Peculier", BTW) > > I could never read to well after a few jars, so forgive my typo. > > > and they were > >discussing _Belgian_ beers ... > > > > Mind you, on average English beer is pretty good :) > > > Ooops. I musta thought Connecticut is bigger than it actually is. > Interesting Beer Festival we had here in Belfast a couple of months > back, though, several genuinely foreign beers slipped in and astounded > most of those in my party by actually having a taste. > Why does the taste of Real Ale always remind me of abandoned windmills? > > Chris. > It's early yet, but I was referring to Belgium as a beer paradise. Lots of their beers are served cold, at least the 'blonde' or 'blanche' ones. The 'brun' varieties are warmer... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Dec 5 09:02:54 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:02:54 -0600 Subject: OFF: Europe Gets Tough on Religion Message-ID: Tangential to the religous debate, from the front page of todays Washington Times comes the following headline and blurbs: =================================================================== "Europeans move to curtail many religous groups" A network of psychiatric, legal, media and socialist groups are pressuring European Governments to outlaw or curtail the activities of well-known religious organizations, a new report states. With groups such as Catholic charismatics, Hasidic Jews, Baptists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Quakers, Buddhist - and the YWCA - now being listed as "dangerous sects" by state panels, American human rights groups are raising concerns. [Later in the Article] Europe's anti-sect movement is made up of "liberal rationalist", he said. They Criticize the 'rising tide of irrationality'. Since religion is not disappearing, they are quite angry about that." [Quote by Massimo Introvigne, a Roman Catholic Scholar from Turin, Italy] [Further in the article] Mr. Introvigne said that several countries anti-sect lists or reports are being compiled with a German report citing 800 groups, Belgium listing 187 and France 172, including Baptist. "The notion of cults keeps growing, " said Mr. Introvigne, quipping that under the France's commission report a Southern Baptist such as President Clinton "is a cultist, but not a dangerous cultist." [Further in the article attributed to Karen Lord] She said during meetings in Europe last month of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe, German officials assured U.S. staff that it will not create a list of "dangerous cults" like Belgium has done. The Belgian list includes four Catholic organizations, Hasidic Jews and the YWCA. =================================================================== Any of our European friends aware of these various movements? Seems a bit radical as the paper says this stuff is in response to the Solar Temple suicides and homicides in Switzerland in 1994 and 95. What's next on their agenda, acceptable music perhaps? L8er lil ab From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Dec 5 09:12:27 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 22:12:27 +0800 Subject: HW: _Interstellar Chaos_ review? Message-ID: >Anyone familiar with Harvey Bainbridge's 1993 solo release, >_Interstellar Chaos_? I've read 2 reviews, one which calls >it the "missing link of electronic and space music", and >another which claims that _IC_ is dangerously close to >techno. Worth checking out, or no? > The first I might agree with, but it is in no way dangerously close to techno, since a lot of it is weird and noisy swooshes and other synth noises. The music of Tangerine Dream and Jarre are a lot more techno than this, which I guess is more like a BBC sound effects album (but a very good BBC sound effects album). There are some rhythmical bits, but they are closer to something like TV Suicide and Mutation Zone. William From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Dec 5 09:23:40 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:23:40 -0600 Subject: OFF: Van Halen Thread gets worse! Message-ID: I heard a long time ago, typical schoolyard sex education I suppose, that > it was an acronym to describe the criminal charge For Underage Carnal > Knowledge. Then again, I heard a lot of things in the schoolyard... I >Geez - a *Van Halen* thread? On Boc-l? Horrors! :) -Andy HOWLS! How about we ruin your day completely and throw in April Wine's clever play on words with the song titled "If You See Kay". Can't get much lower than mentioning AW on BOC-L. Even though Dr. Bob (notorius AW fan that he was) is no longer on line, think I'll duck now on the remote chance there are AW fans in here. lil ab "And so he says to me, he says to me, you got style baby but if your going to be a real villian you gotta get a gimmick. And so I go, I says yeah baby a gimmick that's it. High Explosives." - Evil Midnight Bomber From chip at PCC.COM Fri Dec 5 09:33:03 1997 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:33:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: <34870409.D2F85641@starlinx.com> from "Ron Jennings" at Dec 4, 97 02:27:05 pm Message-ID: Ron: > First, its amazing how you start to make one point and several completely different > points are made of it. Um, I was responding to YOUR post...which made several different points. > yer reply to my post...seems to indicate that you think i > actually care about the whole deal. nope. First, THEN WHY ARE YOU REPLYING AGAIN? Why did you reply in the first place? Second, a number of my comments were obviously directed at other people, not you. Otherwise, I would have replied just to you. > elvis? what, the pelvis thing? that was never intended to shock. > that was intended > to titillate. First, how do you know? Second, what's the difference? He was BANNED on television, on radio, etc. He had the same effect on his audience that MM has on his...it draws attention. It's a "forbidden" thing which makes people want it more. > and to the crowd it was aimed at, it did. the people who were shocked > were people who most likely came from homes where bride and groom slept in seperate > bedsuntil it came time to PROCREATE, then quickly returned to their own beds. Boy, you can paint some broad brush strokes. I am sure you've summarized the feelings of *everyone* who was shocked by Elvis back in the 50's. > mozart? i dont know jack about mozart, nor do i care. So, blow it off as an example? In fact, it makes the best example to some degree. There were RIOTS before and, particularly, after his performances. They were considering SHOCKING. > what about charlie parker? > (just a reminder- my post was meant to say: don't be shocked. if i came across > another way, well now ya know why i never made it as a literary force.) Some of his (and others') forays into free jazz really caused people to react. Some violently, even. >well:more popular than christ. they were inordinately >popular, and the first to admit it. it became a drag. the statement was a deliberate >exaggeration (translated stretched truth), >meant (i believe) to be a wake up call to the fawning masses ala "GET A LIFE!" I'm curious to know how you think this differs from what, say, Alice Cooper (now, MM) does, but just in a 90's way? Even if that IS what Lennon meant - we can only conjecture - I think the underlying issue is that he said something that he knew would draw attention to them in a shocking manner. For someone to repeat that comment in 1997 would have 1/1000 of the effect it had then. Thus, bands today up the stakes. That should present no surprise. > who cares? just cos something is real doesnt mean the misguided, impressionable > kids who make up the bulk ofthe crowd who is taken in by all this need to be exposed > to all this. Well, suggesting that being exposed to something causes people to act just like it is, again, ironic in a Blue Oyster Cult mail forum. That was the opening line of my original post. Second, why is Lennon's "just saying the truth" somehow different or better? > and what's this trying to justify stupidity by the previous > generation's stupidity anyway? that was my whole point- its all been done. I don't know if being shocking is stupid. I almost think it's a necessity. > don't recall hearing any whining. Oh, I heard quite a bit. "These guys stink. These guys are talentless. These guys aren't worth talking about." And all people do is talk about them. But I haven't read any serious discussions about why Marilyn Manson's MUSIC stinks. Anyone care to have a serious discussion about THAT? Someone tell me about how they've stolen their song structure from someone else, or explain to me how the entire album is in E minor, or how the solos are all punched in by studio guitarists, or something. > take a pill. Stop responding to posts you "don't care about." > and they have been right. things are > getting worse. Wait. You said, above, that all of this "has been done before." How are things getting worse? I mean, things have "been getting worse" since people could first record their thoughts...have we been in one loooong downhill slide? > my point was > that i dont like the music. IMO it offers nothing new. nothing new. A ha! Music! I'm curious: what "newness" has either of the two bands that we're supposed to discuss here offered? Ever? None, really. I just like to hear Buck's guitar and sing along with Al. Nothing new to it. > > As for pretending - *IS THERE ANOTHER PURPOSE FOR ROCK MUSIC?!* > > That's what it's all about, ultimately. > i disagree. but oh well. i think its all about having good tunes to listen to when > yer driving. i could give a shit about the spirit of rock and roll. It sounds like you actually agree with me here. Really. > > Quite right. Not worth being judgemental. > having an opinion is not _quite_ the same as being judgemental. I agree. But why be judgemental about the antics - which you have admitted are just a repeat of things immemorial - when we can talk about the music? Hey, peace. Nothing personal, really. Just want to talk about music. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From chip at PCC.COM Fri Dec 5 09:34:49 1997 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:34:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: <199712041801.LAA28093@denver.abacus-direct.com> from "Tom Minsel" at Dec 4, 97 11:01:00 am Message-ID: Tom Minsel spoke thusly: > I've actually heard that Alice Cooper is a "born-again" Christian these > days. I've also heard interviews with him where he has stated that 'Alice > Cooper has a very strong belief in a higher being that everyone is > ultimately accountable to and would NEVER do anything to mock or denounce > that higher being or religion'. That's a far cry from MM's "Anti-Christ > Superstar" bit. There is a BIG difference between Alice Cooper 1997 and Alive Cooper 1975. Puhleeze. And, I had the fortune to see AC in about 1986. There was PLENTY for the fundies to scream about. MM obviously watched hit "How to Make a Concert" video... -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Fri Dec 5 08:48:32 1997 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:48:32 +0200 Subject: HW: _Interstellar Chaos_ review? In-Reply-To: <34880809.2051@agile.com> Message-ID: Hej, >Anyone familiar with Harvey Bainbridge's 1993 solo release, >_Interstellar Chaos_? I've read 2 reviews, one which calls >it the "missing link of electronic and space music", and >another which claims that _IC_ is dangerously close to >techno. Worth checking out, or no? > Whoever said it was like techno was not listening to this tape/Cd. It is really cool spacey soundscapes. I really liked it a lot. It is not the stuff you can listen to a lot but I enjoy it when I do hear. SOme of his other stuff with the Almon Mulo band is really far out wierdness, but quite good. I hav enot heard his latest solo one though. scott ObMD- Gutrix- K?benhavn 12/2/97 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 37 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Dec 5 10:02:17 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:02:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: Sabs/Bill Stewart Message-ID: Anyone know if Bill Stewart managed to make his way to the Sabbath reunion gigs? I tried mailing him a week ago, but AOL bounced my mail to him. I'll keep an eye out for him tonight, but I expect there will be _lots_ of people there! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 5 09:15:34 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:15:34 EDT Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> From: Chip Hart > > I'm curious: what "newness" has either of the two bands that > we're supposed to discuss here offered? Ever? None, really. I > just like to hear Buck's guitar and sing along with Al. Nothing > new to it. > Totally new? Maybe nothing. But when BOC erupted onto the scene in the early 70s, they were for sure breaking new ground, esp. lyrically. Both in content and structure. The subject matter of BOC's lyrics was novel, and the way they were presented, cf often disdaining end rhyme in their lyrics. Frequent key changes, etc., incorporation of keyboards into a heavy rock band [not unique per se, but BOC's approach was novel]. HW? I'm no expert here, but I suspect a lot of HW fans would agree they were groundbreaking. tBS? Not totally original maybe, but not too many other bands out there doing what Al and co. are up to. When discussing BOC, we're going back 25 years now. Maybe what they're doing today isn't unique, but trust me, when BOC started out, there wasn't anyone doing things exactly like them... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Dec 5 10:12:11 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:12:11 -0000 Subject: OFF: ALL HEIL THE _BEER_ Message-ID: > Why does the taste of Real Ale always remind me of abandoned windmills? 'Cos you're weird! :)) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Dec 5 10:29:34 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:29:34 -0600 Subject: Off: Tick Fans Message-ID: Yo Tick fans: An 11 episode Tick marathon begins at 10:30 EST on Comedy Central tonite. Some of the great eps, like Tick v. Science, Tick v. Uncommon Cold and Tick v. Tick which is the first appearance of the Evil Midnight Bomber. May never be a better time to catch some of these on video, thats almost a third of the entire series. I think I attached the web address above for Com Central where you can get a monthly air schedule of the Tick and other shows they broadcast. OK back to normal conversations. lil ab "The true mad scientist does not make public appearances. He does not wear the "hello my name is" badge. He strikes from below like a viper. Or from up high like a penny being dropped from the tallest building around. He has but one purpose, to do bad things to good people with science!" - Chromedome begin 600 The~Tick~on~Comedy~Central.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO6-E;G1R86PN 68V]M+W1I8VLO:6YD97 at N I just picked up my little Christmas present to myself yesterday: an assortment of Hawkwind goodies. First, I was able to pick up the Griffin CDs I ordered. The metal Warrior shield is die-cast metal, about 7x9x1.25 (inches), and weighs about 3 pounds. Now I just have to figure out some way to assure that it never rusts. I'm leary of spraying it with a lacquer because I am afraid it will eventually discolor. I suppose I could cover it with a thin coat of oil, but that makes it a little more messy to display. Any suggestions? I also got the Griffin Friends & Relations Best of and Rarities CDs. While I was at the shop picking up the order (its a long story as to why I picked them up instead of getting them mailed), I had a chance to browse through the warehouse of Alien Distribution. I found (and bought) "1999 Party", "Distant Horizons", and Brock's "Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams". I also picked up Ritchie Blackmore's "Blackmore's Night - Shadow of the Moon". I'm listening to DH now, and I haven't had a chance to listen to the rest yet. It's going to be a good day! Alien Distribution is a pretty cool setup. They specialize in imports and limited-distribution releases. They have a shop in Lombard, IL, but they sell very little directly to the public. The owner, Marietta Baglieri, was extremely nice and said she would be willing to do direct mail order to boc-l members. The only catch is that there would need to be a minimum order of $50 or else the postage costs aren't worth it. If anyone wants to contact them (for example, they had some Gong CDs and some Pink Floyd limited-edition wooden box releases), call Marietta at (630) 953-8310 or fax: (630) 953-8396. Tell her that you heard about them through me. I doubt that that will get you any better prices, but at least it will get your foot in the door. Frank ObCD: Hawkind - Distant Horizons ObNextUp: Hawkind - 1999 Party -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. -- Albert Einstein From mwood at AGILE.COM Fri Dec 5 11:15:42 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:15:42 -0500 Subject: HW: metal Warrior shield and others Message-ID: Frank Weil wrote: > The metal Warrior shield is die-cast metal, So the music is just the same as _Undisclosed Files_? Is the tracklist the same as the ordinary Griffin CD, or does it have the LP tracklist? That is, does this CD have "Ghost Dance" or "Master of the Universe" ? > I also got the Griffin Friends & Relations Best of and Rarities CDs. > "1999 Party", "Distant Horizons", and Brock's "Strange Trips > and Pipe Dreams". How much did Alien Distribution charge you for these items? MWood NP: _Ocean_ - Eloy From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Fri Dec 5 11:28:17 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:28:17 -0000 Subject: BRAIN: tBS, shmeeBS. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Its great tBS has more business than it can handle right now but this is >really sad. Looks like no Torgo reveiw of the latest offering until >after the holidays maybe. Bummer. > >lil ab tsk tsk tsk, Don't think about it that way, Rather perceive the impending review as something which will harken you mind's ear back to the holdiay respite while the world resumes its steely grip around your life in the present. Or something to that effect. Besides the music is what counts, man. I won't be able to read it anyhow--I go the 18th from this fine institution of learning (and free Email) I'm at now. (thank god too...its starting to wear thin, this madcap undergraduate place. Next up, PhD land) Imagining a big band version of "Beautiful People," (might be the only way the tune is worth listening too heehee) Jason From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Dec 5 12:23:02 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:23:02 -0600 Subject: HW: metal Warrior shield and others In-Reply-To: Marshall Wood "Re: HW: metal Warrior shield and others" (Dec 5, 11:15am) Message-ID: Marshall Wood wrote: > Frank Weil wrote: > > The metal Warrior shield is die-cast metal, > > So the music is just the same as _Undisclosed Files_? Is the > tracklist the same as the ordinary Griffin CD, or does it have > the LP tracklist? That is, does this CD have "Ghost Dance" or > "Master of the Universe" ? It is the ordinary Griffin CD, but I don't have it in front of me to enter the track list. On the back of the shield, there is rectangular area that snuggly fits the CD in its normal jewel case. Since I already had the CD, I am just leaving it in there in its shrink wrap. > > I also got the Griffin Friends & Relations Best of and Rarities CDs. > > "1999 Party", "Distant Horizons", and Brock's "Strange Trips > > and Pipe Dreams". > > How much did Alien Distribution charge you for these items? I don't have the invoice with me, so don't quote me on these prices, but I think they were: 1999 Party: $28 DH: $15 ST&PD: $18 Blackmore: $14 I might have the prices on DH and ST&PD reversed or slightly wrong. Of course, these did *not* include shipping because I took them with me. Frank ObCD: Hawkwind - Distant Horizons (Alchemy is my favorite so far) -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 I don't mind being in touch with reality, as long as I don't have to live there. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 5 04:41:06 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:41:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lothar & Early Synth Stuff In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971204205352.00697a20@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971204205352.00697a20 at online.no>, Christian Mumford writes >!!! Hope it wasn't a MOOG!!!!!! > >ouch, >Christian Nope, worse, it was a full size Hammond. Poor girl was brain damaged. -- Jon Browne From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Dec 5 12:29:50 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:29:50 +0000 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:28:53 GMT." <199712021128.LAA02523@laguna-01.laguna.com.mx> Message-ID: Alex says - > >So you're shocked and disgusted by Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson. You > >must be over thirty.. > > Nope. 27 ;-) I do like some of their music, though - especially NIN - but I > hate the videos... and all the imagery associated with these sorts of bands > (especially MM). Make up your mind ! You like the music but hate the imagery ?? Well err, isn't the music merely describing the imagery, or do you somehow feel protected because you rely on your own imagination .... hmmm. If its the videos you dislike, then surely focus your attention on their directors, or band management, not the artist who only has a part stake in the collective result. Besides, all this about shock & disgust seems a bit tame when you consider what's actually going in the Real World. I mean any of the UK people see Dispatches on Channel 4 last night about massacres in Algeria :-{ ? Those kind of pictures shut you up whether you've been "tainted" by a NIN video or not. Tim From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Fri Dec 5 12:42:14 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:42:14 -0500 Subject: HW: _Interstellar Chaos_ review? Message-ID: At 08:56 AM 12/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >Anyone familiar with Harvey Bainbridge's 1993 solo release, >_Interstellar Chaos_? I've read 2 reviews, one which calls >it the "missing link of electronic and space music", and >another which claims that _IC_ is dangerously close to >techno. Worth checking out, or no? > >MWood I have Interstellar Chaos and like it quite a bit. It does not get anywhere near techno. It is a very psychedelic, electronic space voyage that sounds like it was recorded underwater; it has a bit in common maybe with Rubycon/Phaedra era Tangerine Dream. It has a very murky, mysterious sound on most of the tracks. As electronic space music goes, this album is awesome! God, I wish Harvey were still in Hawkwind! And Huw for that matter! Which makes me want to assemble a "dream lineup" for the band: vocals/rhythm guitar: Dave Brock Lead Guitar: Huw Lloyd-Langton Keyboards: Harvey Bainbridge Drums: Richard Chadwick wait, this lineup actually existed for a while! Of course, adding additional noise makers like Nik or Simon House or Del Dettmar or DikMik could only add to the fun! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 5 04:57:55 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:57:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: Shlock Rock In-Reply-To: <01BD0199.D65D3A60.s333271@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: In article <01BD0199.D65D3A60.s333271 at student.uq.edu.au>, Max Wilcox writes >Hi all, > > While we're still discussing "nasty" bands, I thought I'd have to share >my >surprise at the quality of the show I saw last night. Last night was the >Misfits concert - and I never thought I'd ever see them in Australia... > I'm not much of a Misfits fan, but for Shlock Rock, they do it quite >well. I'm quite up for a bit of Misfits, even though they pinched the name of my shop for their album "They Walk Among Us" - but I forgive them. :) -- Jon From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 5 12:08:20 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:08:20 EDT Subject: OFF: Lothar & Early Synth Stuff In-Reply-To: <4lChxCAyw8h0Ewly@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: > From: Jon Browne > In article <3.0.2.32.19971204205352.00697a20 at online.no>, Christian > Mumford writes > >!!! Hope it wasn't a MOOG!!!!!! > > > >ouch, > >Christian > > > Nope, worse, it was a full size Hammond. > Poor girl was brain damaged. > -- I guess you'd have to be brain damaged to be an ELP fan... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 5 12:10:42 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:10:42 EDT Subject: BRAIN: tBS, shmeeBS. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > tsk tsk tsk, > Don't think about it that way, Rather perceive the impending review as > something > which will harken you mind's ear back to the holdiay respite while the world > resumes its steely grip around your life in the present. Or something to > that effect. > Besides the music is what counts, man. > I won't be able to read it anyhow--I go the 18th from this fine institution > of learning (and free Email) I'm at now. (thank god too...its starting to > wear thin, this madcap undergraduate place. Next up, PhD land) > Good luck Dr.J! We'll be sorry to see ya leaving, Jason. BTW, since you'll be out of school, how 'bout that tBS gig in Ithaca? theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From chip at PCC.COM Fri Dec 5 13:19:53 1997 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:19:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: <318E8C94BBD@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" at Dec 5, 97 10:15:34 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr.: > But when BOC erupted onto the scene in > the early 70s, they were for sure breaking new ground, esp. > lyrically. The "new" ground that BOC has broken in the world of music is so incredibly slim. Don't get me wrong - I love them, I know exactly what you're talking about - but it's not liked they changed any facet of even guitar-based rock and roll. The point of which is that it's silly to slag on one band (GWAR or MM) for not being original when the bands we worship here follow a formula set by a genre. Not that the formula's bad, mind you :-) > When discussing BOC, we're going back 25 years now. Maybe what > they're doing today isn't unique, but trust me, when BOC started out, > there wasn't anyone doing things exactly like them... Well, geeze, if we accept the narrow limits of r+r music, there aren't many people doing what the Bad Brains, Henry Rollins, or KISS were doing either. But, as much as I love each of those bands (and recognize the significant contributions they've provided r+r), I can't really say what they were doing was truly groundbreaking, either. Rock and roll, like most art, is founded on the premise that the best artists steal. Occasionally, someone appears to "break" from the norm. So, everyone panics when the Bad Brains release the first hardcore album back in the 80's - and it's full of reggae. Great as it was (and, boy, is "I Against I" great), it's not like they thought of it. They just did it really well. And now that I think about KISS and the reactions my (and others') parents had to Gene Simmons spitting out blood 25 years ago, I can only chuckle at the thought of Marilyn Manson. It's extremely rare that these groundbreakers are doing something that hasn't really been done before in some fashion (even Jimi and the Beatles owe a lot to their predecessors). Which is, I believe, exactly why Ron pointed out that "it's all been done before." -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Fri Dec 5 13:58:02 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:58:02 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: tBS, shmeeBS. (or Ithaca: Chapter 3--the gathering storm) In-Reply-To: <31BD42E627F@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >Good luck Dr.J! We'll be sorry to see ya leaving, Jason. Me too! > >BTW, since you'll be out of school, how 'bout that tBS gig in Ithaca? 99.32% probability of my groovin' on down there. I'm curious to hear what Helen Wheels' band sounds like. (That and I feel spoiled--to tBS gigs w/in 2 months of each other. Good bye pork pie hat, Jason From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 5 13:16:58 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:16:58 EDT Subject: BRAIN: tBS, shmeeBS. (or Ithaca: Chapter 3--the gathering st In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > > > >BTW, since you'll be out of school, how 'bout that tBS gig in Ithaca? > 99.32% probability of my groovin' on down there. > I'm curious to hear what Helen Wheels' band sounds like. (That and I feel > spoiled--to tBS gigs w/in 2 months of each other. > > Good bye pork pie hat, > Jason Helen Wheels is opening in Ithaca? Didn't see that on the postcard. That'll be cool! theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Dec 5 14:19:19 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:19:19 +0100 Subject: Off: Tick Fans/comics for grabs...... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, wanna buy my 1st printings of the early #'s of the Tick? I'm talking back in the 80's here :-) PS: I do have some bulk runs from my comix collection for sale or trade, email me for list... maybe I'll part with my Northsar 1st printing Faust comics the way I cashed in on The Crow with my Caliber printings if I get enough dough! Horror! I'm not even a speculator, just a reader looking to expanding his wealth :). Christian At 09:29 05.12.97 -0600, you wrote: >Yo Tick fans: An 11 episode Tick marathon begins at 10:30 EST on Comedy >Central tonite. Some of the great eps, like Tick v. Science, Tick v. >Uncommon Cold and Tick v. Tick which is the first appearance of the Evil >Midnight Bomber. May never be a better time to catch some of these on >video, thats almost a third of the entire series. I think I attached >the web address above for Com Central where you can get a monthly air >schedule of the Tick and other shows they broadcast. > >OK back to normal conversations. > >lil ab > >"The true mad scientist does not make public appearances. >He does not wear the "hello my name is" badge. >He strikes from below like a viper. >Or from up high like a penny being dropped from the tallest building >around. >He has but one purpose, to do bad things to good people with science!" - >Chromedome > > > >Attachment Converted: "c:\programfiler\eudora\eudora\attach\The~Tick~on~Comedy~Central.url" > > From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Fri Dec 5 10:09:59 1997 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:09:59 -0600 Subject: other EBS releases, reviews Message-ID: > Now that DH has appeared, has anyone heard anything about the other > EBS > releases that were to have appeared (Brock solo cd, Bedouin, etc.)? > > > [Doug Bates] Greasy Truckers is coming out on CD soon, but I don't know any of the details. Personally, I'm waiting for PXR5. -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu > From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Dec 5 17:03:18 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:03:18 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: The Haunt Message-ID: The bar the Surgeons are playing on the 26th has a Web site. Check it out at: http://www.thehaunt.com/ It was described to me by a friend as being a "small" but cool bar. So you might want to get there early to snag a spot at the front of the stage. tBS are on the schedule as supporting Helen Wheels. There's a $5 cover (a minuscule fare for such an incredible show.) You should buy a T-shirt, or Peter's CD, to make up the difference ;) In a Borneo pizza joint, Brian obCD> Peter Bohovesky: _Peter Bohovesky_ ps: If anyone wants directions, I can send you a GIF map of the area. From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Fri Dec 5 17:50:28 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:50:28 -0600 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:33:03 -0500 Chip Hart wrote: >Ron: >> mozart? i dont know jack about mozart, nor do i care. > > So, blow it off as an example? In fact, it makes the best > example to some degree. > There were RIOTS before and, particularly, after his > performances. They were considering SHOCKING. Er, aren't you referring to Stravinsky? I don't remember anything about riots at Mozart concerts. Chip, you sound way too pissed off. Most of what you've written in the past week or so comes across as flaming. The more restraint you use = the more people will be likely to listen/read. Damon From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Fri Dec 5 18:03:16 1997 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 23:03:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: GD (was Re: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!!) In-Reply-To: <26131.3090273778@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 5 Dec 97 at 1:22, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > On tor 4 dec 1997 00.40 +0000 "Chris Warburton" > wrote: > > ObCD: Grateful Dead - Two From The Vault > > Pity about the venue cutting the power at the end of "Morning > Dew"! so how many more deadheads do we have on BOC-L? and are we HW fans or BOC fans? Alasdair -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk ICQ contact info... http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Fri Dec 5 18:07:32 1997 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 23:07:32 +0000 Subject: OFF: Van Halen Thread gets worse! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5 Dec 97 at 8:23, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > I heard a long time ago, typical schoolyard sex education I suppose, > that > > it was an acronym to describe the criminal charge For Underage Carnal > > Knowledge. Then again, I heard a lot of things in the schoolyard... I > > >Geez - a *Van Halen* thread? On Boc-l? Horrors! :) > -Andy > > HOWLS! How about we ruin your day completely and throw in April > Wine's clever play on words with the song titled "If You See Kay". > Can't get much lower than mentioning AW on BOC-L. Even though Dr. > Bob (notorius AW fan that he was) is no longer on line, think I'll > duck now on the remote chance there are AW fans in here. > > lil ab > ron wood has an album with a track called If U See Her Alasdair -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk ICQ contact info... http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 From John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM Fri Dec 5 18:17:25 1997 From: John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM (John McCartney) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:17:25 -0800 Subject: OFF: GD Message-ID: >so how many more deadheads do we have on BOC-L? and are we HW >fans or BOC fans? Guilty on all 3 counts, though primarily Hawkwind by far... scorch From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Dec 5 20:00:34 1997 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:00:34 -0700 Subject: OFF: GD (was Re: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!!) Message-ID: >so how many more deadheads do we have on BOC-L? and are we HW >fans or BOC fans? > >Alasdair >-- >alimac at netcomuk.co.uk >ICQ contact info... >http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 I'm mainly a rabid Hawkfan, but I also like BOC, and the Dead. And one or two other bands, besides. Are we looking for monogamy, or the appreciation of fine music, without worrying what label is slapped on it? Kevin Sommers From torgo at NORWICH.NET Fri Dec 5 20:52:19 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:52:19 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: The Haunt Message-ID: Hey gang: I chatted with a woman I work with today who lives in Ithaca, and she gave me a pretty good idea where to find the Haunt. These are her directions (uh, they are assuming you are coming in on Route 13 from over in my neck of the woods- Norwich) Route 13 south. Look for an AGWAY and turn left. That is Green Street. Go past the kentucky fried chicken and the haunt is on the left. Thanks for the Web page Brian, hopefully they will have some more bands of tBS caliber. I'll be checking it from time to time in hopes of getting over there more if they do! Hope to see a pile of you there. Keep your favorite appendages crossed for some decent weather that night. I'm dreaming of a brown Christmas. Torgo has left the building...... torgo at norwich.net *********************************************************************** "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -- Douglas Adams *********************************************************************** From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Dec 5 21:25:31 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:25:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: chip: " Hey, peace. Nothing personal, really. Just want to talk about music. " hey- i guess i need to work on my communication skills. really. it seems from your reply that i failed to make my meaning clear in just about every word i said. i never had a negative feeling thru typing the whole thing. i believe we were agreeing more than you think we were, at least in the main. my original reply, and probably the way it came across, stemmed from sifting (and reading more than not) thru 85 e-mails per day. and that day, that session. so- guess i'll start proof-reading. (good thing, too. i spelled proffreading the first time.) sorry to the list, and you too, chip. i wont be posting to or following this thread anymore. rj From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Dec 5 23:18:07 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:18:07 +1000 Subject: HW: Web record hunting In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19971206012358.10473072@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: Hi all, -joe (formerly \\joe ... or HawjJoe) asked me to send this to the list .... Paul On 6 Dec 97 at about 1:25, -joe digitally scribed: > I've counted it to 204 - which means the 200 anniversery item was, ehrm, > Love in Space CDS - if you use my way of judging what's in and what's out of > the list. > > > ================================================================= > >Just how big is a Komplete Kollecktion? Every time I think I've heard > >of every obscure release there can possibly be, someone reports some > >new piece of esoterica that I've never heard of! > > > >Dave. > > > hi Dave and all fellow BOC-l:ers, > I think the list below is fairly complete. > some stuff is left out here, ie the mythical Mind Journey, some acetates, > the CD-R:s that didn't have any commercial infuences at all on hawkworld, > and should therefore IMHO be counted as equal to bootleg tapes. (too small > series spread in too small communities, this means all but the Nova Series > and the hawXtar oddity) Also the one known copy of Brian Matthews Show is > excluded - as well as all international variations. > > format is > title - format - yr/month of first release - type of release > (8T is the infamous 8-Trax Kachunk items :0) > > -hawkjoe > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hawkwind LP MC CD 8T 1970/8 Main Release > X In Search Of Space LP MC CD 8T 1971/10 Main Release > Doremi Fasol Latido LP MC CD 8T 1972/11 Main Release > Space Ritual LP MC CD 8T 1973/5 Main Release > BBC Transcription Disc LP 1973 LiveObscurity > Hall Of The Mountain Grill LP MC CD 8T 1974/9 Main Release > Warrior On The Edge Of Time LP MC CD 8T 1975/5 Main Release > Roadhawks LP MC 1976/4 Compilation > Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music LP MC CD 1976/8 Main Release > Masters of the Universe LP MC CD 1977/2 Compilation > Quark Strangeness And Charm LP MC CD 1977/6 Main Release > Hawklords: 25 Years On LP MC CD 1978/10 Main Release > PXR5 LP MC CD 1979/5 Main Release > Masterpiece Series: Roadhawks LP 1979 Carbon Copy > The Rock File LP 1980/2 Carbon Copy > Weird 101 - Sonic Assassins / Dave Brock MC 1980 Weird Tapes > Weird 102 - Hawkwind (live), Hawklords MC 1980 Weird Tapes > Weird 103 - Free Festivals MC 1980 Weird Tapes > Live Seventy Nine LP MC CD 1980/7 Main Release > Repeat Performance LP MC 1980/9 Compilation > Rock Legends LP 1980 Carbon Copy > Levitation LP MC CD 1980/11 Main Release > Weird 104 - Hawklords Live '78 MC 1981 Weird Tapes > Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976/7 MC 1981/9 Weird Tapes > Sonic Attack LP MC CD 1981/10 Main Release > Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 MC 1981 LiveObscurity > Live at the Watchfield and Stonehenge Festiv LP 1981/12 Bootleg > Live at the Bottom Line, New York, 1978 LP 1981/12 Bootleg > Friends and Relations LP 1982/3 F&R Family > Church of Hawkwind LP CD 1982/5 Main Release > Choose Your Masques LP MC CD 1982/10 Main Release > Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970/73 MC 1982/10 Weird Tapes > Weird 107 - Dave Brock MC 1982/10 Weird Tapes > Friends & Relations: Twice Upon a Time LP 1983/1 F&R Family > Quark, Strangeness and Charm / PXR5 MC 1983 Album Comp > The Text Of Festival: Live 1970-2 LP CD 1983/7 Official Boot > Hawkwind (The Victoria Collection) LP 1983 Compilation > Zones LP CD 1983/10 Main Release > Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966/73 MC 1983/11 Weird Tapes > Independent Days 10" 1984/6 Compilation > This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic LP CD 1984/11 Main Release > Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin LP CD 1985/1 Official Boot > Friends & Relations Vol. 3 LP MC 1985/2 F&R Family > Space Ritual Volume 2 LP CD 1985/5 Official Boot > Utopia 1984 LP 1985/5 Compilation > Live '70/'73 LP 1985/7 OfficBootComp > In The Beginning LP CD 1985/7 Carbon Copy > Anthology Vol. I LP CD 1985/11 AnthologyDaze > The Chronicle Of The Black Sword LP CD 1985/11 Main Release > Ridicule LP CD 1985/11 Carbon Copy > Welcome To The Future LP 1985/11 Carbon Copy > Anthology Volume II LP CD 1986/6 AnthologyDaze > Anthology Volume III LP 1986/6 AnthologyDaze > Hawkfan 12 LP MC 1986/7 Obscurity > The Hawkwind Collection LP MC CD 1986/10 AnthologyDaze > Angels of Death LP MC 1986/11 Compilation > Independent Days, Vol. 2 LP MC 1986/11 Compilation > The Approved History of Hawkwind LP 1986/11 AnthologyDaze > Live Chronicles LP MC CD 1986/11 Main Release > Out And Intake LP MC CD 1987/4 Main Release > The Hawkwind Collection MC 1987 Album Comp > British Tribal Music LP MC CD 1987/11 AnthologyDaze > The Official Picture Log Book LP 1987/11 Album Comp > Early Daze [best of..] LP MC CD 1987/11 Official Boot > The Xenon Codex LP MC CD 1988/4 Main Release > Live CD 1988 Carbon Copy > Spirit of the Age CD 1988/9 Compilation > The Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD 1988/11 F&R Family > Zones/Stonehenge CD 1988/11 Album Comp > That's Original: Levitation / Hawkwind Live LP CD 1988/12 Album Comp > Ironstrike CD 1989/3 AnthologyDaze > Night of the Hawk LP MC CD 1989/4 Compilation > Live Levitation CD 1989 Album Comp > Acid Daze Volume 1 LP CD 1990/4 AnthologyDaze > Acid Daze Volume II LP CD 1990/4 AnthologyDaze > Acid Daze Volume 3 LP CD 1990/4 AnthologyDaze > Acid Daze, The History of Hawkwind LP CD 1990/4 AnthologyDaze > Castle Masters Collection LP CD 1990/4 AnthologyDaze > Stasis - The U.A. Years 1971-1975 LP MC CD 1990/4 Compilation > The Best of & the Rest of Hawkwind Live MC CD 1990 AnthologyDaze > Metal Classics #2: Best of Hawkwind MC 1990 Compilation > Night Riding CD 1990 AnthologyDaze > Space Bandits LP MC CD 1990/9 Main Release > Palace Springs LP MC CD 1991/6 Main Release > Space Rock from London CD 1991/9 Bootleg > Masters of the Universe MC CD 1991/10 AnthologyDaze > BBC Radio One Live in Concert CD 1991/10 LiveObscurity > Spirit of The Age MC CD 1991/10 AnthologyDaze > The Golden Void LP 1991 Bootleg > The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords CD 1991/11 LiveObscurity > Anthology CD 1991/12 AnthologyDaze > 3 Originals CD 1992/2 Album Comp > The Hawklords Live CD 1992/2 LiveObscurity > The Friday Rock Show Sessions - Live at Reading CD 1992/2 Official Boot > Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 CD 1992/4 Compilation > Electric Tepee LP MC CD 1992/5 Main Release > Psychedelic Warlords (The Best of) CD 1992/5 Compilation > Live at Stonehenge Free Festival LP 1992 Bootleg > California Brainstorm CD 1992/7 Official Boot > Orgasmatron CD 1992 Bootleg > Tales from Atom Henge - the Robert Calvert Years CD 1992/10 Compilation > Masters of the Universe CD 1992/11 Carbon Copy > Live - St.Albans 1979 CD 1993 Bootleg > Lord of Light CD 1993/4 Compilation > Kings of Speed, Lords of Light CD 1993 Bootleg > Undisclosed Files - Addendum LP CD 1993/7 Official Boot > It Is The Business of the Future to be Dang.. LP MC CD 1993/11 Main Release > The Best of Hawkwind Friends and Relations MC CD 1993/3 F&R Family > Assassins of Allah LP 1994/2 Bootleg > Dawn of Hawkwind CD 1994/2 Bootleg > The Best of Hawkwind MC CD 1994/2 AnthologyDaze > The Cyberspace Conspiracy LP 1994/3 Bootleg > Rock City CD 1994/4 Bootleg > The Business Trip LP MC CD 1994/9 Main Release > 25 Years On CD 1994/11 Compilation > Silver Machine CD 1994/12 Carbon Copy > Silver Machine CD 1994/12 AnthologyDaze > Psychedelic Warriors: White Zone CD 1995/2 Main Release > Friends & Relations, the Rarities CD 1995/3 F&R Family > Nova Drive CDR 1995/7 Bootleg > Independent Days Volumes 1 & 2 CD 1995/9 Compilation > Alien 4 LP CD 1995/10 Main Release > Space is Deep CD 1995/10 AnthologyDaze > Timeless Paeans from the Ongoing Rituals of Space CDR 1996/1 Bootleg > Love in Space LP CD 1996/5 Main Release > Corridors of Flame CDR 1996/5 Bootleg > Theta Orionis CD 1996/7 Bootleg > The A Files CDR 1996/7 Bootleg > Live and Rare - Onward Flies the Bird CD 1997/3 AnthologyDaze > Les G?nies du Rock: Urban Guerilla CD 1997/3 Carbon Copy > Master of the Universe CD 1997/5 AnthologyDaze > Ambient Anarchists CD 1997/10 Compilation > Distant Horizons CD 1997/10 Main Release > The 1999 Party CD 1997/11 LiveObscurity > > > Various Artists / Sampler Section: > All Good Clean Fun LP 1970 Compilation > Greasy Trucker's Party LP CD 1972/4 > Glastonbury Fayre Festival LP CD 1972/6 > US Forces Radio Album feat HW/Jeff.Starship LP 1974 > Rock On: Hawkwind/Van Der Graaf LP 1977 > Bristol Custom Bike Show LP 1986 > Traveller's Aid Trust LP CD 1988/12 F&R Family > Frenchy Scissorhands CD 1992 Compilation > Gimme Shelter CD 1993 Promo Album > Assassins of Silence, Hundred Watt Violence LP CD 1995/9 Tribute Album > Cosmic Travellers Vol 6 CD 1996/4 F&R Family > Emergency Broadcast System Samples CD 1996/4 F&R Family > Future Reconstructions: Ritual Of Solstice LP CD 1996/7 Remix Album > Hawkwind Covers All MC 1996/6 Cover Collect > hawXtar CDR 1997/7 Official Boot > > > 12" Section: > Psi Power 12" 1978 Promo > Silver Machine 12" 1978/10 > 25 Years 12" 1979/5 > Hawkwind Zoo 12" 1981/5 > Motorhead 12" 1981/7 > Sonic Assassins 12" 1981/11 > The Earth Ritual Preview 12" 1984/3 > Needle Gun 12" 1985/10 > Zarozinia 12" 1986/4 > Silver Machine 12" 1986/7 > The Early Years Live EP 12" 1990/12 > Solstice Remixes EP 12" MC CDS 1993/6 > Gimme Shelter Rock CDS 1993/4 > Decide Your Future E.P. 12" CDS 1993/11 > Quark EP 12" CDS 1994/9 > Area S4 12" CDS 1995/10 > Love in Space CDS 1997/7 > > > > 7" Section: > Hurry on Sundown / Mirror of Illusion 7" 1970/7 > Silver Machine / Seven by Seven 7" 1972/6 > Hurry on Sundown / Master / Silver / Orgone 2x7" 1973 > Lord of Lihgt / Born to Go 7" 1973 > Sonic Attack 7" 1973/5 Promo > Urban Guerilla / Urban Guerilla 7" 1973/ Promo > Urban Guerilla / Brainbox Pollution 7" 1973/8 > Psychedelic Warlords / Hall / D-Rider / Wind 7" 1974 > Psychedelic Warlords / It's so Easy 7" 1974/7 > You'd Better Believe It / Paradox 7" 1974 > Kings of Speed / Motorhead 7" 1975/1 > Silver Machine / Urban Guerilla 7" 1975/3 > Kings of Speed / Kings of Speed 7" 1975/4 Promo > Kerb Crawler / Honky Dorky 7" 1976/6 > Back on the Streets / Dream of Isis 7" 1977/1 > Quark, Strangeness and Charm / Forge Vulcan 7" 1977/7 > Quark, Strangeness and Charm / Iron Dream 7" 1977 > Silver Machine / 7x7 / Lord of Light / Born 2x7" 1977 > Hassan I Sabha / Hassan I Sahba 7" 1977 Promo > Hassan I Sabha / Fable of a Failed Race 7" 1977 > Hassan I Sabha / Damnation Alley Part 2 7" 1977 > Psi Power / Psi Power 7" 1978 Promo > Psi Power / Death Trap 7" 1978/10 > 25 Years / Only the Dead Dreams Cold War Kid 7" 1979/5 > Shot Down in the Night / Urban Guerilla 7" 1980/6 > Who's Gonna Win the War / Nuclear Toy 7" 1980/11 > Motorhead / Valium Ten 7" 1981/7 > Angels of Death / Trans-Dimensional Man 7" 1981/10 > Hawklords: Who's Gonna Win the War? / Time of 7" 1982/7 > Silver Machine x 2 / Psychedelic Warlords 7" 1982/8 > Your Last Chance EP 7" 1983/2 Compilation > Motorway City / Master of the Universe 7" 1983/10 > Night of the Hawks / Green Finned Demon 7" 1984/3 > Needle Gun / Arioch 7" 1985/10 > Zarozinia / Assault & Battery 7" 1986/4 > Silver Machine / Magnu 7" 1986/7 > Motorhead / Hurry on Sundown 7" 1986/8 > Assassins of Allah 2x7" 1987 Compilation > > -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Fri Dec 5 23:27:12 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 23:27:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Bootleg assistance? Message-ID: Can anyone out there in tape trading land set me up with an audience tape of Nik at Strange Daze, and Hawkwind at Cubby Bear Chicago, 1997? Also if anyone has boots of Huw Lloyd-Langton shows, or Harvey Bainbridge's "Red" CD (or better yet, the actual CD!) I'd certainly be interested. Bands I'd also like boots of: Thin White Rope, Pale Saints, Dinosaur Jr., Cocteau Twins. I have about 300 or so tapes I can trade on a tape-for-tape basis, typical rules (Maxell XL II chrome only, no high speed dubbing). John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Dec 5 21:53:39 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:53:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: <199712052250.QAA18804@mail.mymail.net> from "DAMON CAPEHART" at Dec 5, 97 04:50:28 pm Message-ID: Damon says-- > > On Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:33:03 -0500 Chip Hart wrote: > > >Ron: > >> mozart? i dont know jack about mozart, nor do i care. > > > > So, blow it off as an example? In fact, it makes the best > > example to some degree. > > There were RIOTS before and, particularly, after his > > performances. They were considering SHOCKING. > > Er, aren't you referring to Stravinsky? I don't remember anything > about riots at Mozart concerts. I've never heard anything about riots incited by the music of Mozart OR Stravinsky, but then about the only biographical information I've absorbed regarding the "older" composers is all about J.S. Bach. :-) > Chip, you sound way too pissed off. Most of what you've written in > the past week or so comes across as flaming. The more restraint you > use = the more people will be likely to listen/read. That may be true, but since I am in full agreement with Chip (and Theo for that matter), I think I understand how he feels. I'd sound pissed off too, if I wasn't trying to avoid feeding this thread. Hopefully, I'm not adding fuel to the flames now. :-) Guido (who is dogmatically against dogmatism :-) ) obCDplayer--_Seed_ by Jansen/Barbieri/Karn -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 5 12:59:01 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:59:01 +0000 Subject: Beer ?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , "Barczinski, Reiner, WAC" writes > just got a advent-calendar, where theres a can >of Tuborg behind every day's door too cool!!!! -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Dec 6 08:09:55 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 13:09:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: On fre 5 dec 1997 17.29 +0000 bart wrote: > Besides, all this about shock & disgust seems a bit tame when you consider > what's actually going in the Real World. I mean any of the UK people see > Dispatches on Channel 4 last night about massacres in Algeria :-{ ? Those > kind of pictures shut you up whether you've been "tainted" by a NIN video or > not. True. But it seems strange to me that people find this "shocking". Nasty, yes, but shocking? It's the sort of thing that goes on all the time. History has shown people to be vicious bastards. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Dec 6 08:18:37 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 13:18:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: GD (was Re: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!!) Message-ID: On fre 5 dec 1997 23.03 +0000 "Alasdair Macdonald" wrote: > On 5 Dec 97 at 1:22, Carl E. Anderson wrote: >> On tor 4 dec 1997 00.40 +0000 "Chris Warburton" >> wrote: >> > ObCD: Grateful Dead - Two From The Vault >> >> Pity about the venue cutting the power at the end of "Morning >> Dew"! > > so how many more deadheads do we have on BOC-L? and are we HW > fans or BOC fans? Both :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Dec 6 08:39:16 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:39:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: Grateful Dead In-Reply-To: <000601bd01e2$5beae7c0$4c29d8cc@Sommers.dnanet.com> Message-ID: What was so friggin great about improv country rock on LSD, maaan! AoxomoxoA ain't bad tho. ChristianaitsirhC ObFinally: 13 hour technicolor snooze From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Dec 6 10:01:35 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 16:01:35 +0100 Subject: HW: _Interstellar Chaos_ review? In-Reply-To: <34880809.2051@agile.com> Message-ID: Definetly an essential "missing link" of electronic space music. Nothing to do with techno! Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Dec 6 10:06:58 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 16:06:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lothar & Early Synth Stuff In-Reply-To: <4lChxCAyw8h0Ewly@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: At 09:41 05.12.97 +0000, ya wrote: >Nope, worse, it was a full size Hammond. I thought the Moog was heavier since it was a complex set of magnetic strips with different sounds recorded that were read every time a key was struck and thus was the first "real" analogue synth, and the Hammond "merely" and electric organ. >Poor girl was brain damaged. Well, she had to be to go and see ELP in the first place!!!!!!!!!!! >-- >Jon Browne From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Sat Dec 6 10:44:23 1997 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:44:23 -0600 Subject: OFF: ArcMet Message-ID: Hi, just in case anyone who lives around Chicago dose not know.... Architectural Metaphor is playing a show at JJ Kelley's on 12-12-97 JJ Kelley's is in Lansing IL. about 1 hour from Chicago.... -- Randy From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Dec 6 04:45:32 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:45:32 +0000 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: <199712052250.QAA18804@mail.mymail.net> Message-ID: In article <199712052250.QAA18804 at mail.mymail.net>, DAMON CAPEHART writes >Er, aren't you referring to Stravinsky? I don't remember anything >about riots at Mozart concerts. How old *are* you? :@)) -- Jon Browne From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Dec 6 18:48:35 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Ch'mu) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 00:48:35 +0100 Subject: BOC references in Creeper #2 (DC Comics) Message-ID: Aside from heartily recommending this cool book (and classic character), the 2nd issue of the current series contains some neat BOC reference - courtesy of writer Len Kaminski (incidentally, I have a copy of Sgt. Fury from '67 or so with "Len Kaminski" handwritten in ballpoint on the cover - I FOUND THIS COMIC AT A FLEA MARKET IN NORWAY...!!!!)... ahem, anyway, back to the BOC content in The Creeper #2, pg. 2: (scene: NYC at night, raining, scummy area... weird bum walking around and shouting prophesies to himself, a group of young bullies are hanging around) Bum: "...Now c'mon Harlan. It ain't all that bad. Th' Transmaniacon's nothin t'be afraid of..." "...that ol' Harvester Of Eyes, now he plays a mean trumpet, no foolin'." "Now you boys look like nice fellas..." Bully: "Yo, check this wacko..." Bum: "You go and tell my friend Harlan he shouldn't oughtta worry about all that Tyranny And Mutation." Bully: "Shaddap, ya smelly old geek!" Bully2:"Bustim up! Bustim up!" (Creeper jumps off a nearby watertower silhoutted against the night sky in classic fashion, having observed the entire scene) Creeper: "I LOVE this town" "Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha" (laughing psychotically as he swings into sight on page 3...) I can only assume Harlan is Harlan Ellison? Anyone? awesome.......................! Christian ObOtherThanHawkwindGeekSaturdayNite: a stack of funnybooks ObComicThat'sCoolAgain: Silver Surfer ObOtherComicThat'sCoolAgain: Fantastic Four ObConsistentlyGreatForADecade: Hellblazer ObCrapBookIHadHighHopesForBeingOldFan: Man-Thing ObLooksFuckinCoolButNotReadYet: Batman/Phantom Stranger ObOnTopicBookWithSwastikaToBoot: Michael Moorcock's Multiverse #3 ObSong: ObLidaObladidadoooetc. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sat Dec 6 19:51:38 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 19:51:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lothar & Early Synth Stuff Message-ID: Christian sez... >At 09:41 05.12.97 +0000, ya wrote: > >>Nope, worse, it was a full size Hammond. > >I thought the Moog was heavier since it was a complex >set of magnetic strips with different sounds recorded >that were read every time a key was struck and thus was >the first "real" analogue synth, and the Hammond "merely" >and electric organ. Christian, Christian, Christian, you poor benighted fellow, you. What you are describing is a MELLOTRON!!! Y'know, the string intro on "Assult and Battery / Golden Void" from WARRIOR?? The 'Tron was never a synth (although there were some synth sample tapes, IIRC), but an early sampler, if you will. They were heavy (the figure 400 lbs. stick in my head) but Emersons' modular Moog was heavier by at least 100, maybe 300 lbs (I seem to remember that the Moog weighed either 500 or 700 lbs. (and a helluva lot bigger. A 'Tron 400 looks like a Hammond console organ, so you is forgiven for getting the two kornfoozed). Important points here, Emerson never played a 'Tron, to the best of my knowledge, and he never took one on stage if he did. He did all of his stage antics with a Hammond B-3 (he "stabbed' the keyboard with a knife to hold the keys down, his "ripping out of the guts" was to manipulate the reverb by hand, etc. He wasn't really destroying the instrument). > >>Poor girl was brain damaged. > >Well, she had to be to go and see ELP in the first place!!!!!!!!!!! > Bite me!! :-) So watch you are callin' brain damaged, 'cuz you are probably hanging out with a bunch of us that are!!! (waitaminute, that didn't come out the way I wanted it to!!! :-S (How do you do a confused emoticon?)). ELP was the first band that I heard that used synthesizers and TARKUS still stands as one of my all-time favorites (than 'n BRAIN SALAD SURGERY). They did kinda tank after that, but lotsa bands did in the late '70's... >>-- >>Jon Browne > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Dec 6 21:04:18 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Ch'mu) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 03:04:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lothar & Early Synth Stuff In-Reply-To: <01bd02aa$46bf9b20$3d82d681@pyratl.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: At 19:51 06.12.97 -0500, you wrote: >Christian sez... > > >>At 09:41 05.12.97 +0000, ya wrote: >> >>>Nope, worse, it was a full size Hammond. >> >>I thought the Moog was heavier since it was a complex >>set of magnetic strips with different sounds recorded >>that were read every time a key was struck and thus was >>the first "real" analogue synth, and the Hammond "merely" >>and electric organ. > >Christian, Christian, Christian, you poor benighted fellow, you. Well, thankyou :) >What you are describing is a MELLOTRON!!! D'OH!!!!!!!! I knew this - I just confused the two, probably since they both are strange 70s technology and begin with an M... yes, I knew it wasn't a synth, but was at a loss to find the word "sampler" - believe me, the brain damage can be quite crippling from time to time! I will punish myself now by listening to "Popcorn" a million times as I scrawl into my skin with a rusty needle "that's a moog, that's a moog, that's a moog"... then when they lock me up I will request "Assault And Battery" just to punish my self. >Y'know, the string intro on >"Assult and Battery / Golden Void" from WARRIOR?? The 'Tron was never a >synth (although there were some synth sample tapes, IIRC), but an early >sampler, if you will. They were heavy (the figure 400 lbs. stick in my head) >but Emersons' modular Moog was heavier by at least 100, maybe 300 lbs (I >seem to remember that the Moog weighed either 500 or 700 lbs. Damn! why??? > (and a helluva >lot bigger. A 'Tron 400 looks like a Hammond console organ, so you is >forgiven for getting the two kornfoozed). Oh yeah, sure, I knew that :) > Important points here, Emerson >never played a 'Tron, to the best of my knowledge, and he never took one on >stage if he did. He did all of his stage antics with a Hammond B-3 (he >"stabbed' the keyboard with a knife to hold the keys down, his "ripping out >of the guts" was to manipulate the reverb by hand, etc. He wasn't really >destroying the instrument). Cool, I do this with my computer keyboard sometimes with broken beer bottles. >>>Poor girl was brain damaged. >> >>Well, she had to be to go and see ELP in the first place!!!!!!!!!!! >> >Bite me!! :-) So watch you are callin' brain damaged, 'cuz you are probably >hanging out with a bunch of us that are!!! This list is all upstanding, well dressed and educated people with no experience in brain damage or any other things associated with the word "brain"! (/"%?%?!!?) >(waitaminute, that didn't come >out the way I wanted it to!!! :-S (How do you do a confused emoticon?)). You get one by experimenting with sharp objects stuck between keys! Like the monkey I posted a few days ago. >ELP was the first band that I heard that used synthesizers and TARKUS still >stands as one of my all-time favorites (than 'n BRAIN SALAD SURGERY). They >did kinda tank after that, but lotsa bands did in the late '70's... Yeah but you must be old :) EVERY band I grew up with used synthesized sounds :( Christian NP: Architectural Metaphor - Creature Of The Velvet Void From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sat Dec 6 23:38:21 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 23:38:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lothar & Early Synth Stuff Message-ID: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: Ch'mu To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Saturday, December 06, 1997 9:25 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Lothar & Early Synth Stuff At 19:51 06.12.97 -0500, you wrote: >Christian sez... > > >>At 09:41 05.12.97 +0000, ya wrote: >> >>>Nope, worse, it was a full size Hammond. >> >>I thought the Moog was heavier since it was a complex >>set of magnetic strips with different sounds recorded >>that were read every time a key was struck and thus was >>the first "real" analogue synth, and the Hammond "merely" >>and electric organ. > >Christian, Christian, Christian, you poor benighted fellow, you. >Well, thankyou :) Most welcome... >What you are describing is a MELLOTRON!!! >D'OH!!!!!!!! I knew this - I just confused the two, probably since they >both are strange 70s technology and begin with an M... yes, I knew it wasn't >a synth, but was at a loss to find the word "sampler" - believe me, the >brain damage can be quite crippling from time to time! I will punish myself >now by listening to "Popcorn" a million times as I scrawl into my skin with >a rusty needle "that's a moog, that's a moog, that's a moog"... then when they >lock me up I will request "Assault And Battery" just to punish my self. Kinky li'l devil, ain't cha??? (And, no, Jean-Michel Jarre did NOT play "Popcorn"; that was Gershorn and Kingsley!) >Y'know, the string intro on >"Assult and Battery / Golden Void" from WARRIOR?? The 'Tron was never a >synth (although there were some synth sample tapes, IIRC), but an early >sampler, if you will. They were heavy (the figure 400 lbs. stick in my head) >but Emersons' modular Moog was heavier by at least 100, maybe 300 lbs (I >seem to remember that the Moog weighed either 500 or 700 lbs. >Damn! why??? Ever seen it, the beast is HUGE! It stands about seven foot tall or more, has stainless steel access doors and is chock full o' 1960's-era state of the art electronics! (Can you say, pre-IC??) It has a ton of modules, a bogus TV "monitor" (just shows a pre-set waveform) and is just a tank. (I read all of this in the VINTAGE SYNTHESIZER book, btw...) > (and a helluva >lot bigger. A 'Tron 400 looks like a Hammond console organ, so you is >forgiven for getting the two kornfoozed). >Oh yeah, sure, I knew that :) I knew you did... > Important points here, Emerson >never played a 'Tron, to the best of my knowledge, and he never took one on >stage if he did. He did all of his stage antics with a Hammond B-3 (he >"stabbed' the keyboard with a knife to hold the keys down, his "ripping out >of the guts" was to manipulate the reverb by hand, etc. He wasn't really >destroying the instrument). >Cool, I do this with my computer keyboard sometimes with broken beer >bottles. Yeah, we have enjoyed a couple of your "performances"! :-) >>>Poor girl was brain damaged. >> >>Well, she had to be to go and see ELP in the first place!!!!!!!!!!! >> >Bite me!! :-) So watch you are callin' brain damaged, 'cuz you are probably >hanging out with a bunch of us that are!!! >This list is all upstanding, well dressed and educated people with no >experience in brain damage or any other things associated with the word >"brain"! (/"%$%$!!?) Absolutely, positively 100% correct, sir! I am honored to be in the company of such fine individuals such as your self and others (except Steve Swann, of course, he's a troublemaker and the Root Of All Evil. At least, that what we can blame on him, which is all things....). >(waitaminute, that didn't come >out the way I wanted it to!!! :-S (How do you do a confused emoticon?)). You get one by experimenting with sharp objects stuck between keys! Like the monkey I posted a few days ago. >ELP was the first band that I heard that used synthesizers and TARKUS still >stands as one of my all-time favorites (than 'n BRAIN SALAD SURGERY). They >did kinda tank after that, but lotsa bands did in the late '70's... >Yeah but you must be old :) EVERY band I grew up with used synthesized sounds >:( Forty-one, dude. Gee, stop posting for a while and they all forget you! Hey, it's me, y'know, the old fart, "Pops" Shipley, remember??? I saw ELP on both the TRILOGY and the BRAIN SALAD SURGERY tour, Yes on the RELAYER and DRAMA tour (met Trevor Horn at that one), Zappa every time he came to DC or Baltimore, Pink Floyd on the post-DSotM, Black Sabbath on the BSV tour, BOC on the LIVE IN 76 tour (hell, I was at that show!!) and several others, Kansas on the LEFTOVERTURE tour, Traffic on the WHEN THE EAGLE FLIES tour (that release has one of the best recorded 'Tron solos in "Dream Gerard") and a bunch more that me tired ol', Red Brick Seasonal Ale (local Atlanta brew, also the makers of Laughing Skull Pilsner, both excellent) addled brain has forgotten... >Christian >NP: Architectural Metaphor - Creature Of The Velvet Void NP: Mark Shreeve - Crash Head (my 12-year-old son's request). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sun Dec 7 00:26:35 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 00:26:35 EST Subject: BOC references in Creeper #2 (DC Comics) Message-ID: Yes, Len was at it again....he was responsible for the extensive BOC references in Challengers of the Unknown #3, as well. He's promised me he'd write a feature on the impact BOC has had on his life for inclusion in the Imaginos comic book once that gets moving. I wonder how many more times he'll slip BOC into his work by then...:-) Steven Tice Calliope Comics From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sun Dec 7 01:38:17 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Ch'mu) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 07:38:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lothar & Early Synth Stuff In-Reply-To: <01bd02c9$f3ba5940$3d82d681@pyratl.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: >Kinky li'l devil, ain't cha??? Ya betcha!!! >(And, no, Jean-Michel Jarre did NOT play "Popcorn"; that was Gershorn and >Kingsley!) Well, I knew that it WASN*T JARRE!!!!! I grew up hearing Jarre, Popcorn was this demon from a bygone era that a friend found at a flea market..... evil, orange sleeve.... black slab of evil inside.... brrrrr..... > >Ever seen it, the beast is HUGE! It stands about seven foot tall or more, >has stainless steel access doors and is chock full o' 1960's-era state of >the art electronics! (Can you say, pre-IC??) It has a ton of modules, a >bogus TV "monitor" (just shows a pre-set waveform) and is just a tank. (I >read all of this in the VINTAGE SYNTHESIZER book, btw...) Good Lord! A construct so massive it dwarfs even the largest cheese known to Scandinavia! I am currently working on my Jarlsbergotron, y'see, a massive machine fuelled by enzymes creating the sound of bubbles making holes in the cheese! The only instrument known to man with the waveform of the Swastika! Our fair maidens will hurl themselves into the fjords for just a glimpse of my glorious invention! Just the sound of this cheese will end the world with the glory of Progrokk - and a new era shall begin!!!!!! >Absolutely, positively 100% correct, sir! I am honored to be in the company >of such fine individuals such as your self and others (except Steve Swann, >of course, he's a troublemaker and the Root Of All Evil. At least, that what >we can blame on him, which is all things....). I think he is Elvis. > >Forty-one, dude. Gee, stop posting for a while and they all forget you! Hey, >it's me, y'know, the old fart, "Pops" Shipley, remember??? I saw ELP on both >the TRILOGY and the BRAIN SALAD SURGERY tour, Yes on the RELAYER and DRAMA >tour (met Trevor Horn at that one), Zappa every time he came to DC or >Baltimore, Pink Floyd on the post-DSotM, Black Sabbath on the BSV tour, BOC >on the LIVE IN 76 tour (hell, I was at that show!!) Did you write a little postcard to mr. Carter??? If you did it didn't help one bit! >and several others, >Kansas on the LEFTOVERTURE tour, Traffic on the WHEN THE EAGLE FLIES tour >(that release has one of the best recorded 'Tron solos in "Dream Gerard") >and a bunch more that me tired ol', Red Brick Seasonal Ale (local Atlanta >brew, also the makers of Laughing Skull Pilsner, both excellent) addled >brain has forgotten... Well I'm impressed!!!! pro-grokkin Christian NP: nothing From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sun Dec 7 01:38:55 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Ch'mu) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 07:38:55 +0100 Subject: BOC references in Creeper #2 (DC Comics) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, ask him if he's missing "Sgt. Fury And His Howling Commandos" #29, April 1966, because I got one with "L. Kaminski" written on it in ballpoint pen! Christian At 00:26 07.12.97 EST, you wrote: >Yes, Len was at it again....he was responsible for the extensive BOC >references in Challengers of the Unknown #3, as well. He's promised me he'd >write a feature on the impact BOC has had on his life for inclusion in the >Imaginos comic book once that gets moving. I wonder how many more times he'll >slip BOC into his work by then...:-) > >Steven Tice >Calliope Comics > > From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Dec 7 07:22:26 1997 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 22:22:26 +1000 Subject: other EBS releases, reviews Message-ID: On 5 Dec 97 at about 9:09, Doug digitally scribed: > > [Doug Bates] Greasy Truckers is coming out on CD soon, but I don't > know any of the details. Personally, I'm waiting for PXR5. Here here!! Actually, I have a copy of Greasy Truckers on CD .... exactly the same as the LP, but starngely no sign of any record company claiming ownership. It has the same cat # as th eoriginal LP's, so I guess it's a bootleg (I doubt that EMI would forget to print there logo on any of the UA re-releases!) Sonique -- obHappy: Australian Hawkwind Tour - Feb '98!!!! Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! ____________________________________________________________________ The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sun Dec 7 12:55:21 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:55:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lothar & Early Synth Stuff Message-ID: >>Kinky li'l devil, ain't cha??? > >Ya betcha!!! > >>(And, no, Jean-Michel Jarre did NOT play "Popcorn"; that was Gershorn and >>Kingsley!) > >Well, I knew that it WASN*T JARRE!!!!! I grew up hearing Jarre, Popcorn >was this demon from a bygone era that a friend found at a flea market..... >evil, orange sleeve.... black slab of evil inside.... brrrrr..... > >> >>Ever seen it, the beast is HUGE! It stands about seven foot tall or more, >>has stainless steel access doors and is chock full o' 1960's-era state of >>the art electronics! (Can you say, pre-IC??) It has a ton of modules, a >>bogus TV "monitor" (just shows a pre-set waveform) and is just a tank. (I >>read all of this in the VINTAGE SYNTHESIZER book, btw...) > >Good Lord! A construct so massive it dwarfs even the largest cheese >known to Scandinavia! > >I am currently working on my Jarlsbergotron, y'see, a massive machine >fuelled by enzymes creating the sound of bubbles making holes in the >cheese! The only instrument known to man with the waveform of the >Swastika! > Will this be an analog or a digital waveform? Analog waveforms are SO much smoother (especially when it comes to making fondue!) >Our fair maidens will hurl themselves into the fjords for just a glimpse >of my glorious invention! Not to mention what they might hurl at you! > >Just the sound of this cheese will end the world with the glory of Progrokk - >and a new era shall begin!!!!!! Will you include a sample of a swastika with Jarlsberg cheese cubes stuck on the endpoints? (It IS that festive time of year once again, y'know!) The Jarlsbergotron, the cheesy-ist sampler in the world! Distributed by Kraft, in the dairy section! Look for it in the handy touring size tub, or for those of you who can't wait, in the handy squeeze dispenser, to apply to your existing music collection to make it extra-specially cheesy, yum-yum!! The time is ripe for this instrument! > >>Absolutely, positively 100% correct, sir! I am honored to be in the company >>of such fine individuals such as your self and others (except Steve Swann, >>of course, he's a troublemaker and the Root Of All Evil. At least, that what >>we can blame on him, which is all things....). > >I think he is Elvis. > Well the current incarnation of Elvis is rather impotent, so I don't think Steve=Elvis. > >> >>Forty-one, dude. Gee, stop posting for a while and they all forget you! Hey, >>it's me, y'know, the old fart, "Pops" Shipley, remember??? I saw ELP on both >>the TRILOGY and the BRAIN SALAD SURGERY tour, Yes on the RELAYER and DRAMA >>tour (met Trevor Horn at that one), Zappa every time he came to DC or >>Baltimore, Pink Floyd on the post-DSotM, Black Sabbath on the BSV tour, BOC >>on the LIVE IN 76 tour (hell, I was at that show!!) > >Did you write a little postcard to mr. Carter??? If you did it didn't help >one bit! Not me, man! Did not vote for Mr. Carter, way back then. (He has since gone on to be a great humanitarian, especially here in Georgia. Probably the one President that has gone on to do greater things out of office than when he was in. Dosen't say much for any of 'em, does it???) > > >>and several others, >>Kansas on the LEFTOVERTURE tour, Traffic on the WHEN THE EAGLE FLIES tour >>(that release has one of the best recorded 'Tron solos in "Dream Gerard") >>and a bunch more that me tired ol', Red Brick Seasonal Ale (local Atlanta >>brew, also the makers of Laughing Skull Pilsner, both excellent) addled >>brain has forgotten... > >Well I'm impressed!!!! > Heh-heh, thought ya would be... Gotta go, time to sand the ceiling (no, this is not a weird sexual deviation, my foyer ceilings' paint is peeling and I'm getting ready to refinish it. I just LOVE this stuff :-/.) >pro-grokkin >Christian > >NP: nothing > NP: don't know yet, but it will be five 70 minute + CD's in the changer, set on repeat (this is gonna be a long job. :-( ). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sun Dec 7 17:54:27 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:54:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lothar & Early Synth Stuff In-Reply-To: <01bd0339$4af60be0$3d82d681@pyratl.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: At 12:55 07.12.97 -0500, Craig Shipley wrote that I wrote, and so on: >>Our fair maidens will hurl themselves into the fjords for just a glimpse >>of my glorious invention! > >Not to mention what they might hurl at you! Yes, obviously, I need it to make the cheese! It's a joy to watch them help one another. Squeeze that cheese Helga! >>Just the sound of this cheese will end the world with the glory of >Progrokk - >>and a new era shall begin!!!!!! > >Will you include a sample of a swastika with Jarlsberg cheese cubes stuck on >the endpoints? (It IS that festive time of year once again, y'know!) Well, yes, but the great unwashed get filed into the massive Gammalost chambers to rinse off any excess enzymes (well, that's what we tell 'em anyways! HA!). Gammalost means "old cheese" and is a big brown stinky cheese that smells really horrible BTW (you make it by bathing your goat only once every Xmas and scraping off the ring in the tub - presto!). As for the Progrokk, keep it in mind next time you ask yourself why US grade A cheddar is dyed orange. >The Jarlsbergotron, the cheesy-ist sampler in the world! Distributed by >Kraft, in the dairy section! Look for it in the handy touring size tub, or >for those of you who can't wait, in the handy squeeze dispenser, to apply to >your existing music collection to make it extra-specially cheesy, yum-yum!! >The time is ripe for this instrument! > Okay, you are talking about the USA Kraft spreadable digital kind. Sure, more flexible and easier to manipulate, but NOTHING can ever reproduce the rigid sound of analog bubbles forming through hard, analog Jarlsberg cheese. As a Race in the process of conquering the Cosmos with my Glorious Jarlsbergotron here in its cooling chamber under Hardangerfjorden, we must remember HARD COLD CHEESE is the only thing that our enemies understand! No digital Cheez Whiz and no fancy pansy Fondue. No sir! Our discipline is STRICT when it comes to HARDNESS of our cheese. The process from Helgas softly protruding lactating torpedoes to the chamber of the goat enzymes and the bubbling within that big Jarlsbergotron is indeed fascinating. The sounds produced are so fantastic no analog or digital recording equipment can do it justice! >>I think he is Elvis. >> >Well the current incarnation of Elvis is rather impotent, so I don't think >Steve=Elvis. Au contraire, mon frere: Elvis = Evil S S = Steve Evil Steve Is Elvis!!!!! >>Did you write a little postcard to mr. Carter??? If you did it didn't help >>one bit! > >Not me, man! Did not vote for Mr. Carter, way back then. (He has since gone >on to be a great humanitarian, especially here in Georgia. Probably the one >President that has gone on to do greater things out of office than when he >was in. Dosen't say much for any of 'em, does it???) Nononono! I meant what Eric Bloom told ya'll so you could smoke all the dope ya wanted at the rock'n'roll shows and break the speed limit! That 70s political agenda! Christian From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sun Dec 7 23:33:28 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:33:28 EST Subject: BOC references in Creeper #2 (DC Comics) Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-07 02:28:52 EST, you write: << Well, ask him if he's missing "Sgt. Fury And His Howling Commandos" #29, April 1966, because I got one with "L. Kaminski" written on it in ballpoint pen! Christian >> Oh, that's too funny! I'll have to try to get ahold of him again...he's apparently dropped his AOL account, though, so I'll have to do a little searching...I'll let you know what he says! :-) Btw, have you had a chance to work on some Imaginos sketches yet? I still haven't located those darned descriptions...sigh...sorry! Talk to you later... SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sun Dec 7 23:33:55 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:33:55 EST Subject: BOC references in Creeper #2 (DC Comics) Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-07 02:28:52 EST, you write: << Well, ask him if he's missing "Sgt. Fury And His Howling Commandos" #29, April 1966, because I got one with "L. Kaminski" written on it in ballpoint pen! Christian >> Ooops...meant to send that to Christian...sigh.... SET From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Dec 8 05:56:38 1997 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:56:38 +0200 Subject: HW:Web Page update Message-ID: Hej, I just wanted to let everyone know that I have updated the Architectural Metaphor web page as well as just put up the new ALIEN PLANETSCAPES web page. Unfortunately, a lot of the background gifs/jpg files are not loading correctly, but the information is there! In addition, I have added a new feature, which is a concert log. I have reviewed all 340 concerts that I have attended and put in set lists if I have then available, as I have recorded over 150 concerts myself. As I progress on this page, I will be adding links with interviews with various bands that I have conducted over the years, mostly taken from the fanzine, Metal Madness, that I used to put out from 1984-1988. Interviews with Hellhammer, Metallica, Vinnie Vincent, Fates Warning, Jag Panzer, Motorhead, Griffin, and loads more... scott ObCs- Lynryd Skynryd- Parigi Italy 9-12-74 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 37 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From chip at PCC.COM Mon Dec 8 09:30:05 1997 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:30:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: <199712052250.QAA18804@mail.mymail.net> from "DAMON CAPEHART" at Dec 5, 97 04:50:28 pm Message-ID: DAMON CAPEHART spoke: > > So, blow it off as an example? In fact, it makes the best > > example to some degree. > > There were RIOTS before and, particularly, after his > > performances. They were considering SHOCKING. > Er, aren't you referring to Stravinsky? I don't remember anything > about riots at Mozart concerts. Nope, I meant Mozart. "Riots" after openings by both composers. Really. > Chip, you sound way too pissed off. Most of what you've written in > the past week or so comes across as flaming. The more restraint you > use = the more people will be likely to listen/read. Well, first, I've only written *two* messages. This is the third. And they both came after a long series of comments from other posters that, imo, were so damn snotty, conceited, and condescending, that I couldn't help it. To disparage the silliness of a band's image rather than discuss the merits of its music on the Blue Oyster Cult/Hawkwind mailing seems so HYPOCRITICAL to me. Funnily, so. As far as I could see, only Ron mentioned the music itself, and he's the only one I even came close to picking on! I'm sorry if I upset anyone. But, if people can't or aren't willing to back up their (stated) negative opinions of a band, why post them to this list? -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 8 09:34:43 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:34:43 -0500 Subject: BOC references in Creeper #2 (DC Comics) Message-ID: Christian: Please contact me via e-mail (jswartz at mitre.org). I'd like to add this info about Creeper #2 to the next revision of the BOC FAQ, and need your full name for the list of credits. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 8 11:34:47 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:34:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock Message-ID: > I'm sorry if I upset anyone. But, if people can't or aren't willing to back up their (stated) negative opinions of a band, why post them to this list? Oh, blame it on Steve Swann... From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Dec 8 13:25:14 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:25:14 -0600 Subject: Off: Beers Message-ID: Sometimes the water at BOC-L runs far to deep. It can get pretty hot and humid in this area during the summer; any beer thats ice cold and has a good head when poured is a good beer. Example Iron City brand. Piss when warm but on a hot July day, a cold one is nectar of the gods. >just got a advent-calendar, where theres a can >of Tuborg behind every day's door ... Tuborg? Haven't swallowed that since collegiate days in the 70's. L8er lil ab A frim believer that any swill will do provided the swill isn't "near beer." From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Dec 8 13:42:24 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:42:24 -0600 Subject: Off: No Torgo Review Message-ID: >tsk tsk tsk, >Don't think about it that way, Rather perceive the impending review as >something which will harken you mind's ear back to the holdiay respite while >the world resumes its steely grip around your life in the present. Or something >to that effect. Besides the music is what counts, man. >I won't be able to read it anyhow--I go the 18th from this fine institution >of learning (and free Email) I'm at now. (thank god too...its starting to >wear thin, this madcap undergraduate place. Next up, PhD land) You don't undersatnd Jason, this is my life, permantently linked to re-occuring events here at BOC-L. I have a hard time contolling myself knowing John S. is updating the FAQ; Bernhard P. will soon respond to a request for HW setlist/dates; Torgo is penning a tBS review and that somebody out here is about to blame poor Steve Swann for something. Save me somebody please. 8>) >Imagining a big band version of "Beautiful People," (might be the only way >the tune is worth listening too heehee) >Jason Oh man thats brutal. BP may not sound all that bad if one were under flashing lights and soaking their polyester suit with sweat. 'Course you will need stack heeled boots and a bad haircut to complete the experience, claiming to be a Scorpio when your not can't hurt either. What year is this BTW? lil ab "Mucus, the scourge of mankind." - The Tick OBCD on sale (at K-marts no less) Trans Siberian Orchestra "Christmas Eve", a must for Savatage fans. From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Dec 8 16:15:48 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:15:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: Kyuss Message-ID: OK, yet another off mail (sorry!)... Has anyone any info on this: KYUSS QUEEN OF THE STONEAGE Compilation+unrel.US imp. Any new stuff or just old b-sides and Man's Ruin releases? AFAIK, it'll be released tomorrow. ...and QotS is the name of Kyuss' axeman Homme's band (which used to be called Gamma Ray) thanx - Daniel ObCD: The Moor "Every Pixie..." ObCD(numero dos): Fu Manchu "Action Is a Go" ObGottaBuy: A new deodorant. I stink. ObGottaHave: A flat in Stockholm. ObGottaHave(numero dos): Money. ObGottaDo: Stop writing silly Obs. "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 8 15:46:12 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:46:12 EDT Subject: OFF: Kyuss In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971208211548.0095a6b0@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: > From: Daniel Wikdahl > > ObGottaBuy: A new deodorant. I stink. I thought only us paranoid americans used stuff like that... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Dec 8 17:04:33 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:04:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: Kyuss, the answer... Message-ID: I've found the answers myself! (duktig ponke) If anyone cares - here's some info: "Queens of the Stoneage" CD Into the Void Fatso Forgetso (Kyuss tracks - from the 10" on Man's Ruin ) Fatso Forgetso (Kyuss track. New rendition.) If Only everything Born To Hula (Gamma Ray/Queens of the Stoneage tracks from the 7" on MR) Spiders and Vinegaroons (Gamma Ray/Queens of the Stoneage track, previously unreleased) But wait, there's more: The Desert Sessions (Man's Ruin) Volume 1: Instrumental Driving Music For Felons Josh Homme, Alfredo Hernandez (both from Kyuss), Ben Shepherd (Soundgarden), Brant Bjork (Fu Manchu), Dave Catching, Pete Stahl & Fred Drake (Earthlings), and John McBain (the guy Dave Wyndorf sacked from Monster Magnet) Homme describes the sound: "It's like Can meets something really prog rock, but prog in a good way. Like some Link Wray, weird garage changes type of shit. But Prog." Apparently this is the first of six tDS releases. Why don't I have any money at all????????? splaba - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Dec 8 17:06:14 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:06:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: Kyuss Message-ID: At 04:46 PM 12/8/97 EDT, you wrote: >> From: Daniel Wikdahl > >> >> ObGottaBuy: A new deodorant. I stink. > >I thought only us paranoid americans used stuff like that... I've got bad breath. I drink it. 'tj? - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Dec 8 19:28:55 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:28:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-l statistics Message-ID: Hejsan! I've just checked the statistics of the last BOC-l week. Gold: Carl E Anderson: 55(!!!) messages. (...he n e v e r sleeps...) Silver: Theo: 37 (he shows an odd interest in swastikas and shock rock... good work theo!) Bronze: Daniel Wikdahl: 31 (It must be my best week ever 'cos you have to consider that I didn't have mailaccess Friday-Sunday... I _could_ have beaten Theo...) Almost there: FAQman John: 24 (...not quite so many OFF-mail as the top duo... I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing...) Jon Browne: 24 (...it looks like he has replied to every little thread... apes, beers, swastikas... hmmm...) Christian: 18 + 2 (as C'Mu) (... I'm not sure if it's allowed to change the name like that. Maybe we'll have to disqualify him?!?) natti natti - Daniel Wikdahl ObBilligMat: Grillkorv och ketchup "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 8 18:58:24 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:58:24 EDT Subject: OFF: BOC-l statistics In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971209002855.0091bd40@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: > From: Daniel Wikdahl > Hejsan! > > I've just checked the statistics of the last BOC-l week. > Gold: Carl E Anderson: 55(!!!) messages. (...he n e v e r sleeps...) > Silver: Theo: 37 (he shows an odd interest in swastikas and shock > rock... good work theo!) > Bronze: Daniel Wikdahl: 31 (It must be my best week ever 'cos you > have to consider that I didn't have > mailaccess Friday-Sunday... I _could_ > have beaten Theo...) I don't have mail on the weekends either! I'm not sure that this is an 'honor' anyone would want to win! > > thread... apes, beers, swastikas... hmmm...) > Christian: 18 + 2 (as C'Mu) (... I'm not sure if it's > allowed to change the name like that. Maybe we'll have to disqualify > him?!?) > > natti natti - Daniel Wikdahl > Hell, his should count for two apiece! theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Mon Dec 8 23:14:43 1997 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:14:43 -0800 Subject: Rare HW Message-ID: Okay, so I have a lot of HW albums, but I have an excuse, I'm sick and need help. I'm just lucky my wife does not know the extent of my illness. John > Well, I looking at mine, the cover has an old HW picture, not really a > picture but an inking. with the band leaning/sitting on a wall, Calvert is > holding a pair of sunglasses. That's the one! I'm amazed... is there a Hawkwind album you haven't got? Ummmm - don't suppose you'd want to trade it for something...... I've got several Polish picture postcards (only the type with the pictures, sadly - tho' I know someone who once told me they had an original Polish postcard disc) and I've got an acetate of Assault and Battery off the Warrior album that never made it to a single. Well it was worth a try! cheers jill PS: thanks for the info about Polish postcards - most interesting! From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Dec 9 04:31:12 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:31:12 +0000 Subject: OFF: BOC-l statistics In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 09 Dec 1997 01:28:55 +0100." <1.5.4.32.19971209002855.0091bd40@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: > I've just checked the statistics of the last BOC-l week. > Gold: Carl E Anderson: 55(!!!) messages. (...he n e v e r sleeps...) > Silver: Theo: 37 (he shows an odd interest in swastikas and shock > rock... good work theo!) > Bronze: Daniel Wikdahl: 31 (It must be my best week ever 'cos you > have to consider that I didn't have mailaccess Friday-Sunday... I _could_ > have beaten Theo...) > > Almost there: > FAQman John: 24 (...not quite so many OFF-mail as the top duo... > I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing...) > Jon Browne: 24 (...it looks like he has replied to every little > thread... apes, beers, swastikas... hmmm...) > Christian: 18 + 2 (as C'Mu) (... I'm not sure if it's > allowed to change the name like that. Maybe we'll have to disqualify Yes, but were any of them *worthwhile* ? Tim this one isn't :) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 9 06:25:31 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:25:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: BOC-l statistics In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971209002855.0091bd40@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: In article <1.5.4.32.19971209002855.0091bd40 at mailbox.mc.hik.se>, Daniel Wikdahl writes > Jon Browne: 24 (...it looks like he has replied to every little > thread... apes, beers, swastikas... hmmm...) Just call me the OFF-Meister. I'll just get my coat................... -- Jon Browne From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 9 09:26:28 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:26:28 -0600 Subject: Off: Blaming Poor Steve Swann Message-ID: > I'm sorry if I upset anyone. But, if people can't or aren't willing to back up their (stated) negative opinions of a band, why post them to this list? >Oh, blame it on Steve Swann... lil ab>and that somebody out here is about to blame poor Steve Swann for something. Jason I rest my case! 8>). lil ab (Thirty days or less to the release of The Wake of Magellan stateside) OBCD - Gary Hoey, Bug Alley "Switzerland is a nuetral country you goober." - American Maid From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 9 08:46:27 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:46:27 EDT Subject: DH in US? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > (Thirty days or less to the release of The Wake of Magellan stateside) > Anyone here in the US found DH or 1999 at a realistic price yet? I've only seen them in a couple internet stores, and they're charging over 20 bucks for DH. Too rich for my thinned-out blood... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Dec 9 10:44:34 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:44:34 -0500 Subject: Off: Blaming Poor Steve Swann In-Reply-To: from "BREVARD, Adrian R." at Dec 9, 97 08:26:28 am Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. writes: > > > I'm sorry if I upset anyone. But, if people can't or aren't > willing to back up their (stated) negative opinions of a band, > why post them to this list? > > >Oh, blame it on Steve Swann... > > lil ab>and that somebody out here is about to blame poor Steve Swann for > something. I'm sorry, Ab, that isn't really enough to qualify you as a prophet around here. ;-) Steve OBshow: Brain Surgeons, Meow Mix, Dec 6. Capsule review forthcoming. From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Dec 9 10:54:40 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:54:40 -0500 Subject: DH in US? In-Reply-To: <3786F5D31D7@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" at Dec 9, 97 09:46:27 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 writes: > > > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > > (Thirty days or less to the release of The Wake of Magellan stateside) > > > Anyone here in the US found DH or 1999 at a realistic price yet? > I've only seen them in a couple internet stores, and they're charging > over 20 bucks for DH. Too rich for my thinned-out blood... I'd give $25 for The 1999 Party, anyway. But CDNOW was listing it at over $40(!), and now it's "on sale" for $33. Outrageous. And I don't have much experience with other web-based CD shops. So, I second Theo's request. Can anyone suggest a good source for 1999 at a reasonable price? Steve From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 9 10:15:39 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:15:39 EDT Subject: Off: Blaming Poor Steve Swann In-Reply-To: <199712091544.KAA23695@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: From: Stephen Swann > OBshow: Brain Surgeons, Meow Mix, Dec 6. Capsule review forthcoming. Geez! Took you two days to recover...Must've been a helluva show! theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Tue Dec 9 11:34:53 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:34:53 -0500 Subject: DH on-line order In-Reply-To: <0007eckqgmug.H0000d990075cc1b@igate.sprint.com> from "Allan T. Grohe, Jr." at Jul 8, 97 09:51:31 am Message-ID: from the cd connection catalog http://www.cdconnection.com/ $21.96 HAWKWIND -- DISTANT HORIZONS PVD426582 PID Add to Shopping Basket Import-Uk i've ordered from them a few times, pretty quick turnaround time and reliable (ie i haven't been mucked around yet) cheers --dave From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Dec 9 15:00:26 1997 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas Pearson) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:00:26 -0800 Subject: HW: DH/1999 Party in US? Message-ID: Steve Swann sez: >Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 writes: >> >> Anyone here in the US found DH or 1999 at a realistic price yet? >> I've only seen them in a couple internet stores, and they're charging >> over 20 bucks for DH. Too rich for my thinned-out blood... > >I'd give $25 for The 1999 Party, anyway. But CDNOW was listing it at >over $40(!), and now it's "on sale" for $33. Outrageous. And I don't >have much experience with other web-based CD shops. So, I second >Theo's request. Can anyone suggest a good source for 1999 at a >reasonable price? > >Steve Unfortunately, I wouldn't get my hopes up. I had to pay $33 + tax for my copy, although I'd expect to see it for somewhat less (I had to buy it from one of the more expensive stores in the Bay Area, since it was the only one that had copies yet ... even though I'd sworn never to set foot in the place again since the owner is a grade-A1 asshole ... that's what a Hawkwind addiction will do to one's sacred vows!), maybe around $30. Keep in mind that a deluxe-package full-price (i.e. not budget) double-CD import isn't going to retail for much less than that anywhere in the US. I'm not really complaining, though, 'cause The 1999 Party is worth every penny I spent! I've had a couple friends who work for record distributors try to locate copies, but it doesn't seem to be very-well distributed on this side of the Atlantic - most folks haven't even heard of it yet. But I would strongly suspect that having a connection at a store or distributor who can cut you a deal is the only way you'll find a copy for less than US$30. And again, without thay kind of connection, I'd suspect it's very unlikely that copies of DH will turn up in this country for any less than $18 - that's just the way it is with imports (especially imports of *sigh* marginal interest to the general public). I would also advise trying Mike Coleman - I'm not sure if he has copies yet, but if/when he does, his markup will at least be lower than the typical importer->distributor->retailer cost. You could also try writing EMI/Capitol US to see if they'd release it domestically, but given that the only thing they've done w/their Hawkwind back catalog is license it to Cleopatra & One Way, I wouldn't ever expect to see that happen. As for me, I'm just making tapes for my friends who can't find/afford it (and there's already a long waiting list). -Doug ceres at sirius.com From kg at THING.DE Tue Dec 9 18:14:25 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:14:25 +0100 Subject: update: The Moor + Nik Turner + K.G. / Calvert in spirit tour dates Message-ID: hi there, the page on the upcoming tour of THE MOOR with NIK TURNER & K. Gerwers http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm has undergone a major update - incl. new interviews, articles and reviews - some parts are in German only - but most of it is English / German more news - like the addresses of the locations will be added soon. you never know when this line up will come together again - so, all of you based in the UK should consider to hop over to Hamburg for the gig on the 11th of January... best, knut From kg at THING.DE Tue Dec 9 18:19:29 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:19:29 +0100 Subject: CALVERT: Don Falcone / Spaceship Eyes - on Robert Calvert Message-ID: hi, another update on the Calvert site 'the spirit of the p/age' one more entry has just been added to The World On Calvert frames: a VERY interesting and extensive essay by Don Falcone - former member of the Thessalonians and Melting Euphoria - now experimenting with a a variety of different electronic soundscapces under the seal of his solo-project SPACESHIP EYES I think his text is one of the most interesting entries to the site so far....have a look at: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calon.htm best - knut From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Dec 9 01:42:34 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 06:42:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: GD (was Re: OFF: ALL HEIL THE FUCKIN SWASTIKA!!!) In-Reply-To: <84064.3090403117@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 13:18 06/12/97 +0000, you wrote: >On fre 5 dec 1997 23.03 +0000 "Alasdair Macdonald" >wrote: >> On 5 Dec 97 at 1:22, Carl E. Anderson wrote: >>> On tor 4 dec 1997 00.40 +0000 "Chris Warburton" >>> wrote: >>> > ObCD: Grateful Dead - Two From The Vault >>> >>> Pity about the venue cutting the power at the end of "Morning >>> Dew"! >> >> so how many more deadheads do we have on BOC-L? and are we HW >> fans or BOC fans? > > Both :) > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >St. John's College, University of Cambridge >mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk >http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > And then some... :-{)> ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Safe sex doen't mean no sex, it just means use your imagination." - Billy Bragg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Wed Dec 10 01:44:10 1997 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:44:10 +0200 Subject: BOC: Help Message-ID: Hej, Can anyone out there help me to identify this show? I was sent two tapes called Central Park, NYC 10-5-74 and Long Beach Arena 10-12-74, but it turns out they are the same exact show. So which is the correct date and place? Here is the set list. It is a smoking show! SOme really different middle parts on ME262, A Kiss and Career, if I am not mistaken! Stairway to the Stars Od'd on life Itself Career of Evil A kiss, Before the Redcap Harvester of Eyes Flaming Telepaths Buck's Boogie Cities on Flame Drum solo ME262 Ain't got you Born to be Wild --------------------------- Filler: Red and the Black- from Rochester 72'? Workshop of the Telescopes Stariway to the Stars Transmaniacon Mc Scott ObCD- Spacious Mind- Organic Mind Solution (Sweden 94) R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 37 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Dec 10 07:47:12 1997 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:47:12 +1000 Subject: DH in US? Message-ID: On 9 Dec 97 at about 9:46, Ted scribed: > Anyone here in the US found DH or 1999 at a realistic price yet? > I've only seen them in a couple internet stores, and they're charging > over 20 bucks for DH. Too rich for my thinned-out blood... For reference, EMI Australia sell it (1999) retail to stores for around $A40 ($27 US). The wholesale price isn't that much better, so I doubt if you'll find it for less than you have unless it get's released locally. At the same time, buying direct from EBS I can sell DH for $A28 ($19 US) and I'm only making $1 or $2 per copy ... and I have no overheads! Sonique -- obHappy: Australian Hawkwind Tour - Feb '98!!!! Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! ____________________________________________________________________ The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 10 06:27:31 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 07:27:31 EDT Subject: BOC: Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Scott Heller > Hej, > > Can anyone out there help me to identify this show? I was sent two > tapes called Central Park, NYC 10-5-74 and Long Beach Arena 10-12-74, but > it turns out they are the same exact show. So which is the correct date and > place? Here is the set list. It is a smoking show! SOme really different > middle parts on > ME262, A Kiss and Career, if I am not mistaken! > > Stairway to the Stars > Od'd on life Itself > Career of Evil > A kiss, Before the Redcap > Harvester of Eyes > Flaming Telepaths > Buck's Boogie > Cities on Flame > Drum solo > ME262 > Ain't got you > Born to be Wild > --------------------------- > Filler: > Red and the Black- from Rochester 72'? > Workshop of the Telescopes > Stariway to the Stars > Transmaniacon Mc > > Scott > Scott, I am every shade of green with envy, you lucky devil! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." Ben S. From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Dec 10 08:29:33 1997 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:29:33 +1000 Subject: HW: Warrior on EBS ? Message-ID: Hi all, A week or so back someone (Mikka?) mentioned that they had heard that EBS would be releasing WotEoT on the EBS label in January. Well, I was just on the phone to Dave (discussing the still hypothetical Oz Tour) and I asked - he knows nothing about it, and seriously doubts that it is happening (he's in the middle of mixing 2 new albums - he didn't say what, and neither of those is Warrior). He did mention something about EMI having the rights (as expected seeing it was on UA), but knows nothing about release plans Sonique obLifeAlmostComplete: Chatting with Dave ;^) -- obHappy: Australian Hawkwind Tour - Feb '98!!!! Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! ____________________________________________________________________ The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Dec 10 08:01:17 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:01:17 +0800 Subject: HW: Warrior on EBS ? Message-ID: A week or so back someone (Mikka?) mentioned that they had heard that EBS would be releasing WotEoT on the EBS label in January. Well, I was just on the phone to Dave (discussing the still hypothetical Oz Tour) and I asked - he knows nothing about it, and seriously doubts that it is happening (he's in the middle of mixing 2 new albums - he didn't say what, and neither of those is Warrior). My guess is PXR5 and the solo Weird material album with the numbered title (can't remember the name?). William From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 10 08:22:12 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:22:12 GMT Subject: HW: Warrior on EBS ? In-Reply-To: Sonique's message of Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:29:33 +1000 Message-ID: Sonique writes: > Hi all, > > A week or so back someone (Mikka?) mentioned that they had heard that EBS > would be releasing WotEoT on the EBS label in January. Well, I was just on > the phone to Dave (discussing the still hypothetical Oz Tour) and I asked - > he knows nothing about it, and seriously doubts that it is happening (he's in ah. I heard that info from Andy at C&D but I guess he was misinformed. Maybe the original hope was that all the Griffin stuff could be reisued under the EBS label but it's obviously not that easy! So it seems like the Warrior CD is about to become a rarity. jill > obLifeAlmostComplete: Chatting with Dave ;^) So will you be joining the band onstage..... 8-)) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Dec 10 08:40:25 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 07:40:25 -0600 Subject: BOC: Same Show / Steve Swann Message-ID: Scott>Can anyone out there help me to identify this show? I was sent two tapes called Central Park, NYC 10-5-74 and Long Beach Arena 10-12-74, but it turns out they are the same exact show. Do we have a BOC setlist guru on the list i.e HW? If not where can we get one? Manuel, Theo? >I'm sorry, Ab, that isn't really enough to qualify you as a prophet >around here. ;-) >Steve True enough, but you have to admit two things 1) blame is pointed at you more often than HW is mentioned on this list and 2) newcomers probably think you are the Anti-Christ. 8>). BTW my headlights won't stay on, you didn't have anything to do with that did you? lil ab OBCD (while marking up an agreement at home on two for tuesday) Pink Floyd -Animals/Dark Side of the Moon OBTickism - "Ya know gang when you're a superhero you never know where the day will take you. You may find yourself halfway around the world in shark infested waters of true to life living or you may find yourself going down to the store for a lozenge. You can't know can you? No, you got to ride that wave, you got to suck that lozenge. Because if you don't, who will? - The Tick From clemens at TRAIL.COM Wed Dec 10 09:51:31 1997 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 07:51:31 -0700 Subject: Help Message-ID: I was at the Columbus day show at the Long Beach Arena. The local radio station played a tape of the concert a few days later. I taped the broadcast so I can check the playlist for you. Anybody who would like a copy can contact me. Mark Licht clemens at trail.com From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Dec 9 15:01:13 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:01:13 +0000 Subject: OFF: Truth (oh no) and Shock Rock In-Reply-To: <318E8C94BBD@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 10:15 05/12/97 EDT, you wrote: >>> From: Chip Hart >> >> I'm curious: what "newness" has either of the two bands that >> we're supposed to discuss here offered? Ever? None, really. I >> just like to hear Buck's guitar and sing along with Al. Nothing >> new to it. >> >Totally new? Maybe nothing. But when BOC erupted onto the scene in >the early 70s, they were for sure breaking new ground, esp. >lyrically. >--snip --< > >When discussing BOC, we're going back 25 years now. Maybe what >they're doing today isn't unique, but trust me, when BOC started out, >there wasn't anyone doing things exactly like them... > > >theo I'm a couple of days behind here, so sorry if things have moved on...but this was what drew me to BOC in the first place - killer metal guitar with lyrics and atmosphere like nobody else. ChrisW ObCD: Arvo P?rt/De Profundis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Safe sex doen't mean no sex, it just means use your imagination." - Billy Bragg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM Thu Dec 11 00:31:31 1997 From: tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM (Scott) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:31:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Calvert lyric puzzle Message-ID: Okay kids, time to put your best headphones on and take a guess at the lyrics to "Hanging Out On The Sea Front" from _Hype_. Knut hears: "Play the fruit machines, get some change" Scott hears: "Play the fooz machines, get some change" (as in foozball) I'm trying to transcribe it for a tribute project... Thanks, Scott Bullerwell tanelorn at dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 11 04:22:40 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:22:40 -0000 Subject: HW: Calvert lyric puzzle Message-ID: On Thursday, December 11, 1997 5:32 AM, Scott [SMTP:tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM] wrote: > Okay kids, time to put your best headphones on and take a guess at the > lyrics to "Hanging Out On The Sea Front" from _Hype_. > > Knut hears: "Play the fruit machines, get some change" > > Scott hears: "Play the fooz machines, get some change" (as in foozball) > > I'm trying to transcribe it for a tribute project... No, it's "fruit" - what you'd call a "slot". We call table football "table football". Never even heard the word "fussball" in that context until whipping some US Air Force types in Corfu a few years back. :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From nexus at PANIX.COM Thu Dec 11 07:21:13 1997 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:21:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Calvert lyric puzzle In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19971210222833.4737cc48@mail.dimensional.com> from "Scott" at Dec 11, 97 00:31:31 am Message-ID: >Okay kids, time to put your best headphones on and take a guess at the >lyrics to "Hanging Out On The Sea Front" from _Hype_. >Knut hears: "Play the fruit machines, get some change" I hear what Knut hears, except for some reason I want to say "make" rather than "get". Remember, in Britain, "fruit machines" are what we call "slot machines". Jeff Berry nexus at panix.com Formerly of Boulder http://www.panix.com/~nexus "You're a notch and I'm a legend"-------Alice Cooper "I don't need TV when I've got T-Rex"------Mott the Hoople From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 11 08:14:27 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:14:27 GMT Subject: HW: Calvert lyric puzzle In-Reply-To: Scott's message of Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:31:31 -0500 Message-ID: Scott writes: > Okay kids, time to put your best headphones on and take a guess at the > lyrics to "Hanging Out On The Sea Front" from _Hype_. > > Knut hears: "Play the fruit machines, get some change" It probably is "fruit machine" - the original one-armed bandit machines in this country had (still have) 3 or 4 drums with different fruits painted on them. 3/4 oranges, 3/4 lemons, or 3/4 plums gets you a minor reward and all the cherries gets you the jackpot. What kind of warped mind invented these things anyhow.... [rhetorical question 8-)] jill obConditionOfLife> looking at the rain. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 11 11:10:23 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:10:23 GMT Subject: HW: Calvert lyric puzzle In-Reply-To: Scott's message of Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:31:31 -0500 Message-ID: Scott writes: > Okay kids, time to put your best headphones on and take a guess at the > lyrics to "Hanging Out On The Sea Front" from _Hype_. > > Knut hears: "Play the fruit machines, get some change" > > Scott hears: "Play the fooz machines, get some change" (as in foozball) > > I'm trying to transcribe it for a tribute project... > > Thanks, > > Scott Bullerwell > tanelorn at dimensional.com > Boulder, Colorado, USA > Almost certainly fruit machines as there are stacks of them at the seafront resorts (Margate?) here. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 11 11:11:16 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:11:16 GMT Subject: HW: Calvert lyric puzzle In-Reply-To: Jeff Berry's message of Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:21:13 -0500 Message-ID: Jeff Berry writes: > I hear what Knut hears, except for some reason I want to say "make" rather > than "get". Remember, in Britain, "fruit machines" are what we call > "slot machines". Eh? ObPanto: Oh no we don't... FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 11 11:20:40 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:20:40 -0500 Subject: BOC: RUMOR Message-ID: I want to share this info with you all, although I don't know if it has any true factual basis for it. However, on the USENET group, "alt.music.blueoystercult", someone claimed to have knowlege of a "new" BOC release coming out in a few months that has tracks recorded back when the band first started. I sent a message to this person (who was really posting to advertise his or her website) to get more clarification, and I was told that this release was from the Soft White Underbelly tapes. Personally, I think this person is confused or lying (they claim to have heard the mixes), but I thought I'd pass this on in the event that anyone knows any more definitive information. And yes, I know about the impending releases of KBFH material, Gold AOF, and the much-anticipated "Ezekiel's Wheel". John From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Thu Dec 11 11:39:19 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:39:19 -0000 Subject: BOC: Media coverage Message-ID: Quickie question: How extensively was BOC documented in the musical press during their "Reaper" and _FoUO_ years? Is there any way to dig in magazine archives for such material? you got the power we got the key, Jason From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 11 11:45:14 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:45:14 GMT Subject: Lineup for UK gigs - Bernhard? Message-ID: Bernhard, could you send the files of tracklists and lineups for the recent UK tour please? What was the name of the Spacehead bassist who played the encores? Cheers FoFP From nexus at PANIX.COM Thu Dec 11 11:46:10 1997 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:46:10 -0500 Subject: HW: Calvert lyric puzzle In-Reply-To: <199712111611.QAA17206@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> from "M Holmes" at Dec 11, 97 04:11:16 pm Message-ID: >Jeff Berry writes: >> I hear what Knut hears, except for some reason I want to say "make" rather >> than "get". Remember, in Britain, "fruit machines" are what we call >> "slot machines". >Eh? Make some change rather than get some change. Oh, wait is this the fruit machine thing again? JB From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 11 12:26:51 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:26:51 EDT Subject: BOC: Media coverage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > Quickie question: > How extensively was BOC documented in the musical press during > their "Reaper" and _FoUO_ years? Is there any way to dig in magazine > archives for such material? > > you got the power we got the key, > Jason Jason, It was hard to pick up a Creem magazine in the old days without finding a story on BOC. Rolling stone didn't like them much after the first couple albums, but indeed raved about them early on. Curiously, Buck was pretty well ignored by Guitar Player, no cover stories, and only one small interview that I know of. I have it somewhere, it was right after ST. I have a bunch of old Creem magazines, some with excellent stories, including: "Blue Oyster Cult is God." Can't argue with that! I'll try to find them, but don't hold your breath [Brian, Christian, Manuel, please be gentle!] I know I speak for us all in saying that I'm going to miss you r posts, Jason. You're a righteous dude. BTW, you going to tBS gig in Ithaca? theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Dec 11 14:44:18 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:44:18 -0500 Subject: Love in Space? Message-ID: I remember quite a bit of discussion about the _Love in Space_ double live album over the past few months. Unfortunately, I was just skim-reading the list at the time, and I never really got a sense of what kind album it is. What's the music like? Is this Hawkwind rocking, or being ambient? I also got the impression that some people prefered the versions of the songs on there to the versions on _Alien_. Yes/no? Thanks, Steve From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Dec 11 17:29:24 1997 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:29:24 +1000 Subject: HW: Warrior on EBS ? Message-ID: Sonique: > A week or so back someone (Mikka?) mentioned that they had heard that EBS > would be releasing WotEoT on the EBS label in January. Well, I was just on > the phone to Dave (discussing the still hypothetical Oz Tour) and I asked - > he knows nothing about it, and seriously doubts that it is happening (he's > in the middle of mixing 2 new albums - he didn't say what, and neither of > those is Warrior). On 10 Dec 97 at 21:01, William Duffy wrote: > My guess is PXR5 and the solo Weird material album with the numbered title > (can't remember the name?). Brock 7696. I wish I'd asked .... I was thinking the same. Sonique -- obHappy: Australian Hawkwind Tour - Feb '98!!!! Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! ____________________________________________________________________ The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Dec 11 17:31:39 1997 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:31:39 +1000 Subject: HW: Warrior on EBS ? Message-ID: On 10 Dec 97 at 13:22, J Strobridge wrote: > Sonique writes: > > > A week or so back someone (Mikka?) mentioned that they had heard that EBS > > would be releasing WotEoT on the EBS label in January. Well, I was just on > > the phone to Dave (discussing the still hypothetical Oz Tour) and I asked - > > he knows nothing about it, and seriously doubts that it is happening (he's in > > ah. I heard that info from Andy at C&D but I guess he was misinformed. > > Maybe the original hope was that all the Griffin stuff could be reisued > under the EBS label but it's obviously not that easy! So it seems like the > Warrior CD is about to become a rarity. Seems so .. but then Dave did vahuely mention EMI when I asked .... so who knows - maybe we'll see another in the remaster series??? > > obLifeAlmostComplete: Chatting with Dave ;^) > > So will you be joining the band onstage..... 8-)) I've got the black shoe polish ready just in case they need a didgereedoo player for Flying Doctor ;^)) Sonique -- obHappy: Australian Hawkwind Tour - Feb '98!!!! Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! ____________________________________________________________________ The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Thu Dec 11 17:00:53 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (bolts of ungodly vision) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:00:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: Media, comedia, remasteroni, and Wheel Ltd. In-Reply-To: <3AC1D551DDE@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >Jason, >It was hard to pick up a Creem magazine in the old days without >finding a story on BOC. I would imagine they'd stop when the article were like "7 screaming tooth brushes: the dental habits of American metal heroes" >Rolling stone didn't like them much after >the first couple albums, but indeed raved about them early on. As well they should. As we all should for that matter. heehee >Curiously, Buck was pretty well ignored by Guitar Player, no cover >stories, and only one small interview that I know of. I have it In Arthur Levy's liner notes to the _Career of Evil_ compilation, he said that Mr. Dharma received honors in 10 ten pyrotechnic polls way back...\ >somewhere, it was right after ST. I have a bunch of old Creem >magazines, some with excellent stories, including: "Blue Oyster Cult >is God." Can't argue with that! I'll try to find them, but don't >hold your breath [Brian, Christian, Manuel, please be gentle!] I think this article title alone solves the mystery we've all been wondering about. Evidence: 1. "BOC is God" 2. BOC are demon lords from beyond in The Defenders comic book storylines. Conclusion? BOC has the power to change itself, to take many roles in the movment of history (and LPs) -Yes, that's right- BOC is...Immaginos!! Now we can all go home and drink a good cup of tea :) > >I know I speak for us all in saying that I'm going to miss you r >posts, Jason. You're a righteous dude. BTW, you going to tBS gig in >Ithaca? On behalf of all of me, I thank you greatly for said complement and for putting up with my witty BOC banter for...4 years? Zowee! To think of all the cool stuff I've learned about the Oyster boys and that other band....Hawkwind, is it? (evil "Black Blade" cackle inserted here). Seriously though, what is the record company daring enough to actually let _EW_ see "the cold grey light of dawn" (in a hopefully diminutive period of waiting)? Who is doing the artwork and all that? where did they record it? Who is producing --please don't say the S word (No, I don't mean Swann. Things might be his fault, but S****ck is a far more blameable soul BOC-wise. Sorry Steve). Are there going to be any different mixes of BOC tunes on _AoF_ gold a la some of the Who's masterdisk releases? How well did the WotT compilation and the "1st 3" box set sell? One last question.... Can you get Rossignol's book at the library somewhere? (sorry, I couldn't help it) one week (aka 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 days days days days days days days) to go, Jason From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Dec 11 17:59:00 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:59:00 +1000 Subject: HW: Zones miss-press Message-ID: Hey All, Hawkjoe has found an interesting misspress, and he's after info on it .... (personal stuff removed) > found another interesting item - you may ask on BOC-l if someone can > identify the unknown orchestra on this precious item: > > Mispress of the Zones pic disk - both sides are identical when looking at > it, the Triangle Eye. Music is one side 33rpm Dire Straits/Brothers in > Arms/Side B, reverse side 45rpm unknown. > > 45rpm side begins with fuzzy distorted guitars in slow blanga mode, with > rythmic drums & bass. This last for 33 seconds, then proper song beguns > w/o fuzzy gtr's. Lyrics in the first verse, followed by the refrain is as > follows: > > "This is a story, a very special story > It's about flying John, one of the Rolling Stone > I saw you down by the pool > And all your -------- fools > > God Stone God Stone (actually hard to hear this, > God Stone God Stone it can be everything from > God Stone God Stone "Dry Stone" to "Drug Zone") > God Stone" > > The song is about 5:35 long. > > please help... > > -joe Any ideas???? Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Dec 11 16:08:19 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:08:19 -0500 Subject: Love in Space? In-Reply-To: <199712111944.OAA29005@st-canard.spc.edu> from "Stephen Swann" at Dec 11, 97 02:44:18 pm Message-ID: Steve says-- > > I remember quite a bit of discussion about the _Love in Space_ double > live album over the past few months. Unfortunately, I was just > skim-reading the list at the time, and I never really got a sense of > what kind album it is. What's the music like? Is this Hawkwind > rocking, or being ambient? > > I also got the impression that some people prefered the versions of > the songs on there to the versions on _Alien_. Yes/no? It's funny, but I stumbled across this CD in my collection earlier today. I have the CDs in a jewel case (I hate those "slide the CD in the pocket and scratch it" packages), and there's no title on the spine, so I almost forgot I had it (can you say "Guido has too many CDs" :-) ). In any case Steve, I'll give it a listen tonight so you can have my regarded opinion on the subject. :-) Betcha you can hardly wait! Guido obCDlocalBANDplayer--Fallen from Grace (selftitled) -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 11 17:38:01 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:38:01 +0100 Subject: Love in Space? In-Reply-To: <199712111944.OAA29005@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: At 14:44 11.12.97 -0500, you wrote: >I remember quite a bit of discussion about the _Love in Space_ double >live album over the past few months. Unfortunately, I was just >skim-reading the list at the time, and I never really got a sense of >what kind album it is. What's the music like? Is this Hawkwind >rocking, or being ambient? Sort a being... eh... blah..... SORTA ROCKING AMBIENT... maybe... just really really ho-hum..... IMO. The least essential HW since... er, White Zone... no wait, Undisclosed Files... snzzzzzzz... zzzzz... zzz..zzzzzzzz... huh!?? What's that? I fell asleep for 2 hours! Oh my, someone must have slipped LiS into the CD player!!!! >I also got the impression that some people prefered the versions of >the songs on there to the versions on _Alien_. Yes/no? If you have Alien, it depends what you think..... I thought A4 was pretty er, twee(?), and LiS is a live album with mostly the same songs, really just a boooooooooring retread IMO... I mean, most of the stuff live is just the same old preprogrammed sounds, canned playing all the way, or at least so routine its just devoid of anything NEW. Maybe a little fuzzier. Nice *looking* package though. IF THEY'D SLASHED IT DOWN TO 1 DISC IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TWICE AS GOOD! Hoping "twee" means what I hope it means! Christian NPgoldenoldie(1991!): MBV - Loveless >Thanks, >Steve > > From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 11 17:40:14 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:40:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Warrior on EBS ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 08:29 12.12.97 +1000, Sonique wrote: >Brock 7696. I wish I'd asked .... I was thinking the same. Well it obviously is a comp from 76-96 so... it probably is Weird stuff with album tracks... Christian From tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM Thu Dec 11 18:10:31 1997 From: tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM (Scott Bullerwell) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:10:31 -0700 Subject: HW: Calvert lyric puzzle Message-ID: Everyone wrote (paraphrasing) >"I hear 'fruit machines' too." Fruit machines it is, then. Wow. Never heard 'em called that stateside. Thanks for the info. Guess I envisioned a vending machine full of suspicious-looking fruit. There's two other places where my poor wooden ear contradicts Mr. Gilham's: 1. "photos from a booth, rifle range" goes the transcript on Spirit of the (p)Age "photos from a booth, my full range" is what Scott hears. It seems to make sense, given the overall theme of the album--an ambitious loser who wants to be a star and might ham it up in a photo booth as if to make a portfolio. (Of course, I had our protagonist playing foosball not thirty seconds before! Who knows). Are/were there really seafront rifle ranges in the UK? 2. "fat girls out of reach, passed me by" goes the transcript. "that girl's out of reach, passed me by" is what Scott hears. Granted, I've had the honor of being in BOTH situations. I find it somewhat harder to believe, though, that the young Mr. Mahler doesn't have a chance with any one of several "fat girls" on the beach. (But then, he also confesses "could be Amsterdam, might get laid" and if he isn't sure THERE, where can he be?) Once again, thanks for all yer helps on this. Scott Bullerwell tanelorn at dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 11 17:42:12 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:42:12 EDT Subject: HW: Calvert lyric puzzle In-Reply-To: <199712112314.QAA00981@hyper.dimensional.com> Message-ID: > From: Scott Bullerwell > Everyone wrote (paraphrasing) > > >"I hear 'fruit machines' too." > > Fruit machines it is, then. Wow. Never heard 'em called that stateside. > Thanks for the info. Guess I envisioned a vending machine full of > suspicious-looking fruit. > I thought it was a gay guy who wasnt very creative in his lovemaking techniques... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 11 18:56:13 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:56:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Calvert lyric puzzle In-Reply-To: <3B15E961776@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 18:42 11.12.97 EDT, you wrote: >> >I thought it was a gay guy who wasnt very creative in his lovemaking >techniques... > > > >theo Hanging out at the Blue Oyster bar no doubt making Cybernetic Love..... >sorry<..... Christian PS: theo - get your ass in gear or all hell is gonna break loose - BOC-L has been warned :))) "Getting fucked up is always a good reason for a trip" -old proverb From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 11 18:24:38 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:24:38 EDT Subject: HW: Calvert lyric puzzle In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971212005613.02f72c34@online.no> Message-ID: >> From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM > At 18:42 11.12.97 EDT, you wrote: > > >> > >I thought it was a gay guy who wasnt very creative in his lovemaking > >techniques... > > > > > > > >theo > > Hanging out at the Blue Oyster bar no doubt making Cybernetic Love..... > > >sorry<..... > > Christian > > PS: theo - get your ass in gear or all hell is gonna break loose - > BOC-L has been warned :))) > > "Getting fucked up is always a good reason for a trip" > -old proverb Hell, I warned 'em myself! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 11 19:28:49 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:28:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Calvert lyric puzzle In-Reply-To: <3B213AD4C73@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 19:24 11.12.97 EDT, you wrote: >Hell, I warned 'em myself! Oh yeah, I saw that - well run on home and get a'crackin!! :) Working that late isn't good for your rocker side. Christian >theo > >................................... >"I told you not to be stupid..." >--Ben S. > > From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 11 19:31:23 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:31:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mail failure Message-ID: More of this crap... I'm breaking out a spoon and cookin it up! ------- >From: HIMAIL/MSOBH01/POSTMASTER >To: "cannibal at CUTEY.COM" >Subject: Mail failure >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:28:00 +0100 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 > > >[005] Mail retry count exceeded sending to: > OBERHAUSEN/MSMRCH1 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >------ >Microsoft Mail v3.0 (MAPI 1.0 Transport) IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note >From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: HW: Calvert lyric puzzle >Date: 1997-12-12 00:56 >Priority: 3 >Message ID: 0F9382EC5472D11186E600A024CB8F2A > > > > >At 18:42 11.12.97 EDT, you wrote: > >>> >>I thought it was a gay guy who wasnt very creative in his lovemaking >>techniques... >> >> >> >>theo > >Hanging out at the Blue Oyster bar no doubt making Cybernetic Love..... > >>sorry<..... > >Christian > >PS: theo - get your ass in gear or all hell is gonna break loose - >BOC-L has been warned :))) > >"Getting fucked up is always a good reason for a trip" > -old proverb > > From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 11 20:37:08 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:37:08 GMT Subject: HW: Calvert lyric puzzle In-Reply-To: Scott Bullerwell's message of Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:10:31 -0700 Message-ID: Scott Bullerwell writes: > Thanks for the info. Guess I envisioned a vending machine full of > suspicious-looking fruit. mmm - nice idea apples (legendary, magical - lifegiving properties) pomegranates (historical, aphrodisiac - all the seeds) pineapples (historical, magical - the Romans used to carve them on tombstones - no idea why!) grapes (well not the fruit but you need a slave to peel them for you) bananas (modern) however it would take the history police to arrest you for carrying/ concealing most of the above so you no longer need to wrap your fruit discreetly in an anonymous brown paper bag and take it home to hide it in a cool dark place - though now I come to think about it....... > > There's two other places where my poor wooden ear contradicts Mr. Gilham's: > 1. "photos from a booth, rifle range" goes the transcript on Spirit of the > (p)Age > > "photos from a booth, my full range" is what Scott hears. It seems to make I haven't listened to be honest but I'd be inclined to accept the rifle range suggestion. I supect that it's not a rifle range as in the States that he has in mind but more a fairground fun-type stall where (usually) playing cards are stuck up on a board and you fire an air-rifle pellet at them to see how many you can hit and win a prize. Is there an element of random selection here? In fact I can remember (from my youff) a stall in an amusement arcade that had a rifle chained and enclosed behind a thick perspex window but you could move it around enough to take pot shots at some target or other. Trouble is you just got it lined up and your money and the ammo ran out. Clever stuff! > sense, given the overall theme of the album--an ambitious loser who wants > to be a star and might ham it up in a photo booth as if to make a > portfolio. (Of course, I had our protagonist playing foosball not thirty > seconds before! Who knows). Are/were there really seafront rifle ranges > in the UK? > > 2. "fat girls out of reach, passed me by" goes the transcript. > > "that girl's out of reach, passed me by" is what Scott hears. Granted, I'd be inclined to accept "that" in this instance but based on nothing more than a hazy sense of grammatical correctness. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Dec 11 20:32:46 1997 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas Pearson) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:32:46 -0800 Subject: HW: Love in Space? Message-ID: Christian wrote: >At 14:44 11.12.97 -0500, Steve Swann wrote: >>I remember quite a bit of discussion about the _Love in Space_ double >>live album over the past few months. Unfortunately, I was just >>skim-reading the list at the time, and I never really got a sense of >>what kind album it is. What's the music like? Is this Hawkwind >>rocking, or being ambient? Ron Tree is on it, so it's certainly energetic/rocking in parts, but there are also lots of ambient bits - sometimes within the same song (the "...Palestine" intro to "Hassan i Sahba" comes to mind). The only "new" thing on it, besides a couple of the ambient song links, is the title track, which, being a "love" song, is kind of uncharacteristic for Hawkwind (is "Zarozinia" the only other HW song that would fit this category?). Maybe yr cuppa tea, maybe not ... >Sort a being... eh... blah..... SORTA ROCKING AMBIENT... maybe... >just really really ho-hum..... IMO. The least essential HW since... >er, White Zone... no wait, Undisclosed Files... snzzzzzzz... zzzzz... >zzz..zzzzzzzz... huh!?? What's that? I fell asleep for 2 hours! >Oh my, someone must have slipped LiS into the CD player!!!! Well, I think it's a better (live) album than 'The Business Trip' - it rocks more than that one! On both live albums, I think the band was relying too much on the pre-sequenced backing that they've seemed to move away from a bit recently (having a fourth member now helps). One thing I liked about the US shows this summer is that the band were able to seamlessly move between musical segments that had alot of MIDI/sequenced backing and those that were completely raw and unadorned. If there was a live album of the Strange Daze set, I'm sure I'd like it much more than either tBT or LiS. >>I also got the impression that some people prefered the versions of >>the songs on there to the versions on _Alien_. Yes/no? >If you have Alien, it depends what you think..... I thought A4 was pretty >er, twee(?), and LiS is a live album with mostly the same songs, really just >a boooooooooring retread IMO... I mean, most of the stuff live is just the >same >old preprogrammed sounds, canned playing all the way, or at least so routine >its just devoid of anything NEW. Maybe a little fuzzier. Yeah, the live versions are better than the studio ("Blue Skin" especially, IMO), but if you don't like the A4 album anyway, then you're probably not gonna like the LiS versions either. I think they do a real good job with the oldies on LiS, though. "Robot" was a major set highlight when they played it in the US on Ron's first tour, and I probably like the version of "Hassan i Sahba" (once they get down to rocking out) better than on 'California Brainstorm' ... plus it has the first version of "Silver Machine" (and a good one!) since that single on Samurai (which was as bad a version as the one on 'Choose Your Masques' IMO). >Nice *looking* package >though. IF THEY'D SLASHED IT DOWN TO 1 DISC IT WOULD HAVE BEEN >TWICE AS GOOD! Agreed. They could've kept the "oldies" and just a few choice A4 cuts ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From PsychoGuy at AOL.COM Thu Dec 11 22:33:11 1997 From: PsychoGuy at AOL.COM (PsychoGuy) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:33:11 EST Subject: Help Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-10 10:05:28 EST, you write: > I was at the Columbus day show at the Long Beach Arena. The local radio > station played a tape of the concert a few days later. I taped the > broadcast so I can check the playlist for you. Anybody who would like a > copy can contact me. > > Mark Licht > clemens at trail.com > Hey Mark - I'd love to get a copy. What year was this in? I'll send you two tapes, keep one, and send me one back with the show. If that's ok, send me you snail addy and let me know the length the tapes need to be. Thanks. Bill From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Dec 11 23:37:06 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:37:06 EST Subject: BOC: Len Kaminski on his BOC references in DC comics... Message-ID: Okay, folks, straight from the horse's mouth (writer Len Kaminski) concerning the BOC references in Challengers #3 and Creeper #2, and another odd little coincidental note: "...the BOC references in CREEPER #2 are directly connected to the BOC references in CHALLENGERS OF THE UNKNOWN #3 -- the old coot in the opening scene is talking TO Harlan Clooney across dimensions after the events of COTU #3... Can't wait to see IMAGINOS when it's done. Did I mention the OTHER BOC connection that turned up after COTU #3? Turns out Bob Greenberger, Schedulemeister at DC, is the nephew of one of the original members (my source didn't recall which one), and reportedly almost blew a gut over my refs..." Now, isn't THAT interesting? :-) SET From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Fri Dec 12 02:35:09 1997 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:35:09 +0200 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: Ok, I got the new Hawkwind, Distant Horizons and the 1999 Party today! I have given the DH one listen and really liked some parts of it but it seems that some of the songs are just filler synth stuff and not all that interesting? We will see what I think on repeat listens. Did anyone figure out what that is on the cover? Any archeologists out there... As for the 1999 party, I have not heard it yet but I did think all that Spaceship Hawkwind mumbo gumbo was pretty wierd. How thought that up? For all the effort, the poster is pretty lame. I love that picture of the guys in Man and HW on top of the car. Is that not Simon , the last guy standing on the car to the left? Maybe not though? Lemmy is the last guy standing on the car to the right. I liked the pictures in the book quite a lot especially that last one of lemmy! Did anyone notice in one of the news articles that they said that the Detroit show was also recorded. Would that be the last show with Lemmy? I wonder if they ever listened to the tapes to consider the release of that one. WOW! This is a really great CD! I am bit suprised that Nik is almost mixed out. You could not hear him at all in Brainbox pollution and in It's so Easy he should have been much louder. Did anyone notice Lemmy went into the bass line for Down thru the night at about 5:30 into Brainstorm. Boy, Nik is practially gone on Brainstorm. Was he really that bad that night or did Dave purposely mix him out? Has the Man CD from the Chicago show come out? The show was released for the Man fanclub back in the 70's or 80's and I have a tape of it and it is a great set!! The version of C'mon is great!! Scott ObCD- Hawkwind- 1999 Party R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 37 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 12 04:29:08 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:29:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Warrior on EBS ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Sonique writes > >Seems so .. but then Dave did vahuely mention EMI when I asked .... so who >knows - maybe we'll see another in the remaster series??? I can find this one out.......I'll get back to yez... -- Jon Browne From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Dec 12 05:49:02 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:49:02 -0000 Subject: HW: Calvert lyric puzzle Message-ID: > 1. "photos from a booth, rifle range" goes the transcript on Spirit of > the > (p)Age > > "photos from a booth, my full range" is what Scott hears. Definitely "rifle range" - air rifles, you know, where you shoot at tin ducks... he's just listing the (rather naff) attractions you might waste time and money on when hanging out at the seafront. > 2. "fat girls out of reach, passed me by" goes the transcript. > > "that girl's out of reach, passed me by" is what Scott hears. I think you're right on this one. Mea culpa! :) The line that I'm not at all sure about is that little interlude about "horizons". -Andy ObCD: Nik Turner's Sphynx - _Xitintoday_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Fri Dec 12 06:36:15 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 06:36:15 -0500 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: >WOW! This is a really great CD! I am bit suprised that Nik is almost >mixed out. You could not hear him at all in Brainbox pollution and in It's >so Easy he should have been much louder. Did anyone notice Lemmy went into >the bass line for Down thru the night at about 5:30 into Brainstorm. Boy, >Nik is practially gone on Brainstorm. Was he really that bad that night or >did Dave purposely mix him out? >R. Scott Heller PhD Thereby confirming once again the poopy mix! Nik is virtually inaudible, the synths are mixed very low, Dave's guitar is mixed pretty low. It's all vocals and bass! Ugh! How much better this album could have been with a good mix job! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Dec 12 07:40:05 1997 From: OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU (OzHawks) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 22:40:05 +1000 Subject: HW: (Fwd) This is Hawkwind - Do not Panic!! Message-ID: The life of a Hawkfan is not a happy one .... ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "OzHawks" Organization: The Australian Hawkwind Appreciation Society To: ozhawk-l at lists.pcmicro.com.au Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 22:36:22 +1000 Subject: This is Hawkwind - Do not Panic!! Priority: normal Reply-to: ozhawk-l at lists.pcmicro.com.au Hi everyone, I have news - not what we want to hear, but it's not all bad. As you know, Hawkwind accepted the tour offer, and want to do the tour. We were waiting for acceptance in writing before proceeding. When that hadn't happened early this week (after a few days of trying to catch people in the UK), I eventually rang Dave on Wednesday night to see what was happening. I have it on good authority that all of the band definitely want to come. There is no problem there. There's also no problem with the terms of the offer. They are waiting for income from a number of sources (accounting for the current tour, a deal with EMI, etc.), and as that hasn't happened Dave has to buy the air tickets himself. The problem is that Dave had that money earmarked for printing of an official lyric book, and if he purchases the tickets the book would have to wait. At the time I spoke to him, Dave hadn't decided either way - he was travelling to London that day and was to have a meeting with Doug Smith etc. in which he would decide. I haven't been able to get in touch with Dave since to see what the result was. As we had to start this week at the latest to get things happening in time, I (in seperate discussions with both Dave and Premier artits) also discussed a backup plan of delaying the tour by 1-2 months. It looks like that is probably what will happen given the lateness of the year. The good news really is that Dave said that if they had the cash on hand they would be here in a flash, so the delay in one way guarantees the tour. If a delayed tour is the end result, it will be finalised (in writing) almost straight away, as Premier don't want to re-book the venues only to find this happening again. So the tour is/will be much more concrete than ever before - we just don't know exactly when it will be! Sorry if this is partly dissapointing news - you can imagine how it is for me having been chasing this thing for over a year now!! As soon as I have any more details I will let you all know Yours in Space, Paul -- OzHawks The Australian Hawkwind Appreciation Society PO Box 884 Mail us an SAE for our free newsletter Mt Waverley "The Flying Doctor" VIC, 3149 http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks Australia OzHawks at pcmicro.com.au -- OzHawks The Australian Hawkwind Appreciation Society PO Box 884 Mail us an SAE for our free newsletter Mt Waverley "The Flying Doctor" VIC, 3149 http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks Australia OzHawks at pcmicro.com.au From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri Dec 12 06:54:10 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:54:10 +0000 Subject: BOC: Media coverage In-Reply-To: <3AC1D551DDE@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Somewhere or other I have got a 70s copy of Circus magazine with quite a big BOC article, including the notable story "I thought I was going to die after being bitten by a rabbit", says Alan Lanier. Does anyone else remember this mag or this story? - Mike Godwin From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 12 06:58:39 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:58:39 EDT Subject: HW: Calvert lyric puzzle In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971212012849.02f7a138@online.no> Message-ID: > From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM > > >Hell, I warned 'em myself! > > Oh yeah, I saw that - well run on home and get a'crackin!! :) > Working that late isn't good for your rocker side. > > Christian > Soon's I left work I headed over to my regular Thurs. gig. Man friday mornings are tough! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 12 08:31:17 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:31:17 GMT Subject: HW: (Fwd) This is Hawkwind - Do not Panic!! In-Reply-To: OzHawks's message of Fri, 12 Dec 1997 22:40:05 +1000 Message-ID: OzHawks writes: > The life of a Hawkfan is not a happy one .... sympathies y'know, if you felt inclined at this moment to go out and shoot every last one of them I wouldn't blame you in the least. Tell him to take out a bank loan and get on with it!! Heck we can start a Solstice Appeal to print the lyric book if that's all it takes. But I guess it's not that easy 8-( good luck jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 12 08:49:17 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:49:17 -0500 Subject: BOC: Media, comedia, remasteroni, and Wheel Ltd. Message-ID: >Seriously though, what is the record company daring enough to actually let _EW_ see "the cold grey light of dawn" No word on this - the band is presumably fearful of announcing deals and then having to backtrack. >Who is doing the artwork and all that? where did they record it? Don't know about artwork, and while I don't know what studio it was done in, I've seen the photos (it may be on a lot of Buck's personal equipment). >Who is producing? >From what I gather, Buck has a major hand in this. Whether Mr. Schenk is involved in it I don't know. As you can see, a lot of details have not yet been made available. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 12 08:05:28 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:05:28 EDT Subject: BOC: Media, comedia, remasteroni, and Wheel Ltd. In-Reply-To: <199712121349.IAA15578@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: From: John A Swartz > > >Who is producing? > > From what I gather, Buck has a major hand in this. Whether Mr. Schenk is > involved in it I don't know. > > > As you can see, a lot of details have not yet been made available. > > John This is something that's always puzzled me: Why hasn't BD done a lot of producing for other people? The guy's a whiz in the studio. I defy anyone to point to an example of a guy who can produce so many unique sounds on record. Seems like he could help out any heavy band... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 12 04:35:54 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:35:54 +0000 Subject: Love in Space? In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971211233801.02f7348c@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971211233801.02f7348c at online.no>, cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes >Christian > >NPgoldenoldie(1991!): MBV - Loveless There's a 'kin record, eh? -- Jon Browne ObSpaceNews - Spiritualized to headline Glastonbury '98 oooh! From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Dec 12 08:59:58 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:59:58 -0600 Subject: BOC Rumor Message-ID: >I want to share this info with you all, although I don't know if it has any true factual basis for it. However, on the USENET group, "alt.music.blueoystercult", someone claimed to have knowlege of a "new" BOC release coming out in a few months that has tracks recorded back when the band first started. I sent a message to this person (who was really posting to advertise his or her website) to get more clarification, and I was told that this release was from the Soft White Underbelly tapes. Personally, I think this person is confused or lying (they claim to have heard the mixes), but I thought I'd pass this on in the event that anyone knows any more definitive information. And yes, I know about the impending releases of KBFH material, Gold AOF, and the much-anticipated "Ezekiel's Wheel". >John Thanks for the heads up John. Sounds to good to be true. Some of this is beginning to make very little sense. KB to release some live songs from the vault, AOF to be re-released in the Gold platform and EW closer to release than ever before. Who has convinced someone out there that there is that much of a market for BOC stuff? Where the hell has this "person" been for the last several years? Is the music industry that desparate where they are having garage sales? What or who's next, rare cuts and demos from Angel? I won't complain if we get half of whats stated to come out, especially if that half is EW and KBFH. lil ab OBCD shopping today - Trans Siberian Orchestra, Christmas Eve ************************************************************************ **** Tick - : Enough chasing, its your turn thora-smog TAZ - Thrack-a-zog, thrack-a-zog with a K; boy are you ever rude. Lil Monster - Eat rude brains! Tick - No brains today, were only serving humble pie whatch-a-ma-zog. TAZ - Listen buddy for the last time its thra? Tick - Thorax-in-a-bog? TAZ - Thrak? Tick - Ah Laxative log TAZ - no, no, no Tick - lap land -a- zog TAZ - no, no, no Tick - Four yaks and a dog? TAZ - Thrak? Tick - Sep suck a frog? TAZ - no, no, no Tick - Susan? TAZ - Now your doing it on purpose, how juvenille. ************************************************************************ ********* From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Dec 12 10:48:16 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:48:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: 'Tis The Season To Be Silly Message-ID: For those of you who are tired of the standard "songs of the season" and need a little irreverence in your holiday celebration, point your browser to: www.twistedradio.com and enjoy! (For those of you on the BOC/HW list, a featured tune is the Black Sabbath "Iron Man"-ish "I Am Santa Claus". I'm not sure that the AC/DC-ish "Jingle Hells' Bells" is on the jukebox or not, but go listen to 'em all, anyways!) Ho, ho, ho! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri Dec 12 11:36:52 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:36:52 +0100 Subject: Lineup for UK gigs - Bernhard? In-Reply-To: <199712111645.QAA28149@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Mike At 16:45 11.12.97 GMT, you wrote: >Bernhard, could you send the files of tracklists and lineups for the >recent UK tour please? OK. Here they are: Brock Chadwick Tree Richards Crum Rizz Crum's 1st gig (for this tour) was 02.10.1997 Crum didn't play on 18.11.1997 27.09.97, WHITBY, DRAC FESTIVAL, 85/7 kauai / dracula poem / wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / unknown / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision 02.10.97, TURNBRIDGE WELLS, ASSEMBLY HALL, 90/7 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 10.10.97, COLCHESTER, CHARTER HALL, 90/9 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 11.10.97, KINGS LYNN, CORN EXCHANGE, 90/9 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 17.10.97, EDINBURGH, LIQUID ROOMS, 75/7 hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 19.10.97, GLASGOW, GARAGE, 90/7 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 20.10.97, MORCAMBE, DOME, 85/8 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision 21.10.97, MANCHESTER, RITZ, 95/8 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 23.10.97, LIVERPOOL, EMPIRE, 80/8 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision 31.10.97, LONDON, EMPIRE, 90/7 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 01.11.97, GUILDFORD, CIVIC HALL, 90/7 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 06.11.97, NEWPORT, LEISURE CENTRE, 90/8 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision 10.11.97, SWINDON, WYVERN THEATRE, 90/8 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision 18.11.97, EINDHOVEN, EFFENAAR, 85/9 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision 19.11.97, AMSTERDAM, MELKWEG, 95/9 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin >What was the name of the Spacehead bassist who played the >encores? Sorry, I have no info about this guy >Cheers Bernhard From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 12 12:48:08 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:48:08 GMT Subject: OFF: Not Scarborough In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:35:54 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > ObSpaceNews - Spiritualized to headline Glastonbury '98 oooh! > so there is going to be a Glastonbury 98?! Do Porcupine Tree get a mention? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 12 13:11:43 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:11:43 GMT Subject: HW: Reptillian Raptoids In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:36:52 +0100 Message-ID: sorry about this but can I just be extrememly finicky and ask if it is really "Raptoid Vision" as in birds of prey and one specific type of dinosaur or is in fact "Reptoid Vision" as in reptiles and reptillian alien life forms in general. My impression is that it's Reptoid since the song is more about aliens than about carnivorous munchies? yours dubiously jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Dec 12 13:50:11 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:50:11 +0100 Subject: Loveless in Space? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:35 12.12.97 +0000, Jon Browne wrote that I wrote and then wrote and so on: >>NPgoldenoldie(1991!): MBV - Loveless > >There's a 'kin record, eh? Wotta psych monster! Part of my current excavation of 80's-early 90's stuff I hadn't listened to in a long while - but now from a spacier vantage... other great re-finds included early Flaming Lips, Mercury Rev, Primal Scream, Chameleons..... disappointingly Stone Roses (1st) sound really corny in 1997 :-( Except for the Fools Gold 9.53 EP! :-) At some point I just dropped out of that stuff.... (Kula Shaker: the hideously failed re-interest attempt) BTW, I heard something off Verve's latest and it was cheap "britpop" fluffycrappypap... Christian NP(beyond Xhol...) Tim Blake - Crystal Machine "This man came up to me, just the other day and asked me if I'd been born again; I told him I didn't think I had - that I had been rejected. But I think Hell's got all the good bands anyway..." - The Flaming Lips, Ode To C.C. (Part II) From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Dec 12 13:46:23 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:46:23 +0100 Subject: HW: 1999 Party/DH In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:35 12.12.97 +0200, you wrote: >Ok, > > I got the new Hawkwind, Distant Horizons and the 1999 Party today! >I have given the DH one listen and really liked some parts of it but it >seems that some of the songs are just filler synth stuff and not all that >interesting? We will see what I think on repeat listens. Did anyone figure >out what that is on the cover? Any archeologists out there... Um... yes - it's the design from the LiS EP! It is terrestrial of origin, most likely generated by an underpaid designer on a Mac, and if so most likely in Photoshop. My crack team of archeologists are still arguing whether the cost of making the DH booklet exceeded ?25 and if the designer in question has received any of it. Judging by the typography on the back however, one can argue if a designer was involved in the first place. This last observation may very well be evidence that the booklet cost less than ?25 to make. We have yet to investigate which values the culprit in question set the "Emboss" filter on before pressing "Apply". Indeed, just utilizing the basic filters rather than a good plug-in like KPT or Alien Skin attests to the atrocious cheapness of it all. :) (sorry, it's Friday and I'm a wiseass after a long week!) Like the music though! The title track's cool... Alchemy is a scorcher! So's Reptoid Vision - hell, even some of the ambient-ish stuff is allright. I'd say DH is the spiritual "sequel" to Xenon Codex! Wheels ain't bad either... Phetamine Street rocks the industrially soiled diapers off Trent Reznor's gerbil infested butt! Christian NPfarOut!: Xhol - Motherfuckers GMBH & Co KG "This man came up to me, just the other day and asked me if I'd been born again; I told him I didn't think I had - that I had been rejected. But I think Hell's got all the good bands anyway..." - The Flaming Lips, Ode To C.C. (Part II) From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Dec 12 13:56:33 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:56:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Reptillian Raptoids In-Reply-To: <199712121811.SAA22636@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 18:11 12.12.97 GMT, jill wrote: >My impression is that it's Reptoid since the song is more about aliens >than about carnivorous munchies? It's about Ron's fave drug visions (& those reptilian aliens) (It's just more subtle than Phetamine Street - the upstanding young man has an obvious affinity for ketamine - at least he goes for the obscure stuff too :-)! Christian From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 12 14:42:48 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:42:48 -0500 Subject: BOC Rumor Message-ID: >Thanks for the heads up John. Sounds to good to be true. Some of this is beginning to make very little sense. KB to release some live songs from the vault, AOF to be re-released in the Gold platform and EW closer to release than ever before. Who has convinced someone out there that there is that much of a market for BOC stuff? Where the hell has this "person" been for the last several years? I Well, some of it is probably just dumb luck. AOF Gold may have been in the works for awhile - Mobile Fidelity has been expanding their collection over the past few years and many of their releases are classic albums from the 70s - I suspect that they may look at overal album sales for various albums, and use that as a basis for what to re-master. Or, perhaps they look to represent most of the top artists of that era with at least one gold CD. Either way, I'm not sure it has anything to do with the timing of other potential releases. As for KBFH, they too have recently been expanding their collection. It does sound as if they stumbled on the right person to help (ie Bolle) them select stuff - this could be somewhat luck, although I imagine there has been some demand (I think I e-mailed them a year or so ago about this - at the time there were contractual things to work out with CBS records, and maybe after Sony released *Workshop of the Telescopes*, they saw enough interest in BOC stuff to work out a deal with KBFH). As for the Wheel, well it's been rolling our way for years... Other theories: The BOC Goldmine Story All the BOC online sites and fans The BOC FAQ (o.k., wishful thinking on my part) The Ricky Browning Benfit Sales of WOTT Re-release of Club Ninja (o.k., now I'm stretching it) John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 12 13:47:13 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:47:13 EDT Subject: HW: 1999 Party/DH In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971212194623.02f7dfe0@online.no> Message-ID: > From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM um... yes - it's the design from the LiS EP! It is terrestrial of origin, > most likely generated by an underpaid designer on a Mac, and if so most > likely in Photoshop. My crack team of archeologists are still arguing whether > the cost of making the DH booklet exceeded ?25 and if the designer in question > has received any of it. Judging by the typography on the back however, one If your team doesn't lay off that crack, there'll probably be quite a bit of arguing going on over there! > Like the music though! The title track's cool... Alchemy is a scorcher! So's > Reptoid Vision - hell, even some of the ambient-ish stuff is allright. I'd > say DH is the spiritual "sequel" to Xenon Codex! Wheels ain't bad > either... Phetamine Street rocks the industrially soiled diapers off Trent > Reznor's gerbil infested butt! > I heard he's experienced enough to handle a hamster, though that's only a rumor... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Dec 12 14:59:51 1997 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:59:51 +0000 Subject: Club Ninja In-Reply-To: <199712121942.OAA19061@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Apologies if this has been done before but.... I've just picked up CN on CD, the version with the Arthur Levy (who he?) liner notes. "When the War Comes" has an intro by Howard Stern which wasn't on my original vinyl copy, nor the other 2 CD versions of CN I have. Is this the American release, or is the the Howard Stern thing something new that has been put on for this release only? Also, Why is it that I have more copies of BOC's worst album than any of their others? [rhetorical question this one :-) ] Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 12 14:37:53 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:37:53 EDT Subject: Club Ninja In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> From: Hardman DK > > I've just picked up CN on CD, the version with the Arthur Levy (who > he?) liner notes. "When the War Comes" has an intro by Howard Stern which > wasn't on my original vinyl copy, nor the other 2 CD versions of CN I > have. Is this the American release, or is the the Howard Stern thing > something new that has been put on for this release only? > Must be an American thing. My vinyl copy has the Howard intro. I'll check the cd version when I get home [if I can find it!] I'm not wild about that song so I haven't listened to it much. But come to think of it, when compared to say, Beat em Up, it sounds like the second coming of Stairway to the Stars... > Also, Why is it that I have more copies of BOC's worst album than any of > their others? [rhetorical question this one :-) ] > > Dave Hey, maybe it's a bit more collectible? I see vinyl copies of the early stuff all the time, but almost never a copy of CN. Must be the folks that bought it really want to hang onto it, eh? Or are too embarassed to bring it in to swap? You don't see Mirrors or CE on vinyl too often either, wheras FoUO, ETL, SEE, AoF, Spectres, you see them all the time... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Fri Dec 12 10:50:09 1997 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:50:09 GMT Subject: BOC: Godzilla video Message-ID: Hi folks, Here in Mexico, they have a local version of MTV. And everyday at noon they have this great Classic Rock show. Well, most of the time they play stuff fromt the 80's, but today, for some reason, they played 70's rock, with stuff like Judas Priest, KISS, AC/DC, Quiet Riot, etc... The show only lasts an hour, and as time was passing I was telling myself, gee, it would be so cool if they played something from BOC. I mean, this was the perfect opportunity. It'd fit perfectly in the playlist. And... sure enough ! The very last video they played (they always finish on a great song !) was BOC's "Godzilla" !!! I was thrilled - although, also a bit disappointed because I was hoping for a more obscure video, I mean, something of a rarity like "Astronomy" or whatever. This said, it was still great just to see BOC on TV ! That alone is rare enough :-( I do have one question, though. Hmm... I think it already came up on the list, but I don't remember the answers... I noticed that during this video (actually, live shots with inserts of an old b&w Godzilla movie), at one point, Eric seemed to sing in Japanese. Did he really ? *still hoping BOC will be somewhere in the new "Godzilla" movie* Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From dahl at AROS.NET Fri Dec 12 17:39:37 1997 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:39:37 -0700 Subject: BOC: vinyls Message-ID: >>>You don't see Mirrors or CE on vinyl too often either, wheras FoUO, ETL, SEE, AoF, Spectres, you see them all the time... theo<<< I have vinyl copies of Mirrors and CE (Imaginos too!). Could it be that I'm a collector now? Brad Dahl "This basement thing is really blowing my buzz" Lawrence in Limbo http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html OBCD: Mike Keneally and Beer for Dolphins, Sluggo! (you're lost if you don't get this CD) From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Dec 12 21:34:51 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:34:51 -0500 Subject: BOC: vinyls Message-ID: Gosh, I have all of the original releases on vinyl (except Imaginos, which was released on CD at the same time the vinyl was. Remember the days when the CD release was months after the LP/CS??) and a couple of 45 EP's, too. Does this make me a Kollector? NP: Porcupine Tree / Coma Divine ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: dahl To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 6:02 PM Subject: BOC: vinyls >>>>You don't see Mirrors or CE on >vinyl too often either, wheras FoUO, ETL, SEE, AoF, Spectres, you see >them all the time... > >theo<<< > >I have vinyl copies of Mirrors and CE (Imaginos too!). Could it be that >I'm a collector now? > >Brad Dahl > >"This basement thing is really blowing my buzz" Lawrence in Limbo >http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html > >OBCD: Mike Keneally and Beer for Dolphins, Sluggo! (you're lost if you >don't get this CD) > From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Dec 12 22:02:32 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 22:02:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Reptillian Raptoids Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > sorry about this but can I just be extrememly finicky and ask if it is > really "Raptoid Vision" as in birds of prey and one specific type of > dinosaur or is in fact "Reptoid Vision" as in reptiles and reptillian > alien life forms in general. > > My impression is that it's Reptoid since the song is more about aliens > than about carnivorous munchies? cant say that i really know the words, but i got the feel of a genetically engineered reptile-man. this probably stems from ron's saying that he was working on a metamorphosis via tattoos and hair dye into a lizard man, and capt rizz's its what you created line. of course the song IS introduced with the alien zoo rap, so im most likely wrong. nah. im _definitely_ wrong- nevermind. rj From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Dec 12 15:13:31 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:13:31 -0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party/DH Message-ID: > > I got the new Hawkwind, Distant Horizons and the 1999 Party > > today! > >I have given the DH one listen and really liked some parts of it but it > >seems that some of the songs are just filler synth stuff and not all > >that > >interesting? We will see what I think on repeat listens. Did anyone > >figure > >out what that is on the cover? Any archeologists out there... It's Nut, the Egyptian sky goddess. She's actually upside-down here - her body should be arched over the earth, forming the sky. The same picture was also used, the right way up, inside the Space Ritual foldout sleeve (and in one of the booklets in the remaster). You see variations on that design in lots of temples in Egypt. Not sure what the scarab underneath her is for. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET Fri Dec 12 23:05:45 1997 From: hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET (Jerome Kekatos) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 22:05:45 -0600 Subject: Fw: Re: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: >>WOW! This is a really great CD! I am bit suprised that Nik is almost >>mixed out. You could not hear him at all in Brainbox pollution and in It's >>so Easy he should have been much louder. Did anyone notice Lemmy went into >>the bass line for Down thru the night at about 5:30 into Brainstorm. Boy, >>Nik is practially gone on Brainstorm. Was he really that bad that night or >>did Dave purposely mix him out? >>R. Scott Heller PhD > >Thereby confirming once again the poopy mix! Nik is virtually inaudible, >the synths are mixed very low, Dave's guitar is mixed pretty low. It's all >vocals and bass! Ugh! How much better this album could have been with a >good mix job! > It has been twenty plus years, but from the perspective of one who was at the show, the party disc's mix seems pretty accurate to the actual performance. Lemmy's bass was a pretty strong component of the 1974 concerts, the 1999 show and the band's September US tour (including the infamous hammond indiana bust show). >From what I know of hearsay from that era, UA hired locals to record the show. A dub of the MAN part of the show surfaced at a local college radio station that winter. I'm not an audio pro but I'm sure present day Dave and company only had so much to work with from the original tapes. Whatever the state of the mix-down, 1999 is a great document of that age of Hawkwind. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Dec 12 16:56:09 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:56:09 -0000 Subject: Reptillian Raptoids Message-ID: On Friday, December 12, 1997 6:12 PM, J Strobridge [SMTP:eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] wrote: > sorry about this but can I just be extrememly finicky and ask if it is > really "Raptoid Vision" as in birds of prey and one specific type of > dinosaur or is in fact "Reptoid Vision" as in reptiles and reptillian > alien life forms in general. Quick dictionary check reveals that "reptoid" isn't really a word - if you want to say "like a reptile" the word is "reptiloid" - but then again neither is "raptoid". Oh well! In the marvellous liner it gets spelt "reptiod" anyway... I'm quite certain Ron sings "reptoid", whatever! > > My impression is that it's Reptoid since the song is more about aliens > than about carnivorous munchies? I don't know what the bloody hell it's about!! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET Fri Dec 12 23:12:10 1997 From: hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET (Jerome Kekatos) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 22:12:10 -0600 Subject: Fw: Re: HW: 1999 Party/DH Message-ID: >> >Did anyone figure out what that is on the cover? > >It's Nut, the Egyptian sky goddess. She's actually upside-down here - her >body should be arched over the earth, forming the sky. The same picture >was also used, the right way up, inside the Space Ritual foldout sleeve >(and in one of the booklets in the remaster). You see variations on that >design in lots of temples in Egypt. > >Not sure what the scarab underneath her is for. Nut or Nuit, and Had or Hadit, the duality of the her - the circumference, and he - the point. Or deeper; her - the limitless cosmos and he - the finite consciousness. Reference the Budge books on the Egytian dieties From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Dec 13 03:56:42 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:56:42 +0100 Subject: BEDOUIN mini tour Message-ID: Hi folks, here are the dates of the BEDOUIN mini tour - 17.12.1997, Amsterdam, Paradiso - 18.12.1997, Nymegen, Gonzo - 19.12.1997, Rotterdam, Vlerk I think I'll make it to Nymegen A longer tour in Germany, Holland, Belgium and UK will follow in March/April cheers Bernhard From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sat Dec 13 05:29:41 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:29:41 +0100 Subject: HW:Hawkwind/Lemmy/Rush/Nik Turner Message-ID: Hi, A lot of people refers to 1999 Party Tour as the last with Lemmy, but he's playing on Warrior, I thought he were sacked on the Warrior tour in '75...or ? And I'm also curious to learn if there is someone out there who knows which shows Rush supported Hawkwind. By the way, Rush are, according to rumours, preparing a live album from the last tour but will include a full version of Cygnus X-1 recorded in London 1979, now that's what I call promising. Oh, more stuff, allmost forgot, I talked to Nik about the tapes, unfortunatly I mislaid the notes I did, but I think the tapes are: Aflutenik (Missing pyramid recording) Live 94 (Different from Space Ritual '94) ICU Live Imperial Pompadours (ICU/Bubbles/Calvert?) An' probably more, I think he wanted ?5 +p&p. Anyway, here's the adress, Nik Turner Pencraig Uchs Cwmbach Whitland Dysed SA34 0DT Wales I think he planning to release some of the stuff on CD. Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Dec 13 07:25:45 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:25:45 +0100 Subject: Reptillian Raptoids In-Reply-To: <01BD0748.E57A9E20.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Reptoids are apparantly one of the 7(?) types of "identified aliens"... like, we got the Greys (the cute ones), the ones that look like Jesus (the Gong fans), the hairy little ones and so on. Reptoids are like, reptilian ones. Apparantly. Maybe I should watch "V" again. Christian From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Dec 13 07:19:52 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:19:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Reptillian Raptoids In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971212195633.02f7fde0@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971212195633.02f7fde0 at online.no>, cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes >ketamine - at least he goes >for the obscure stuff too :-)! Ketamine? Grooogh! Yuk! -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Dec 13 07:43:39 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:43:39 +0000 Subject: Fw: Re: HW: 1999 Party/DH In-Reply-To: <01bd077d$4876e5e0$640f0cd1@hawkwind> Message-ID: In article <01bd077d$4876e5e0$640f0cd1 at hawkwind>, Jerome Kekatos writes >Nut or Nuit, and Had or Hadit, the duality of the her - the circumference, >and he - the point. Or deeper; her - the limitless cosmos and he - the >finite consciousness. Reference the Budge books on the Egytian dieties Well put. I always liked "I, Hadit and She, Nuit" -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Dec 13 07:17:12 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:17:12 +0000 Subject: OFF: Not Scarborough In-Reply-To: <199712121748.RAA19297@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199712121748.RAA19297 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge writes >so there is going to be a Glastonbury 98?! Do Porcupine Tree get a >mention? > >jill Looks like it. The NME article was about Spiritualized, didn't mention anyone else. -- Jon From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Dec 13 08:07:58 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:07:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Reptillian Raptoids In-Reply-To: <8eBQPGAo1nk0Ewe8@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: At 12:19 13.12.97 +0000, you wrote: > >Ketamine? Grooogh! Yuk! >-- >Jon Little brother dxm may be even gooier! ...... lime and limpid green, Christian From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sat Dec 13 14:11:07 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:11:07 -0500 Subject: Fw: Re: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: At 10:05 PM 12/12/97 -0600, you wrote: >>>WOW! This is a really great CD! I am bit suprised that Nik is almost >>>mixed out. You could not hear him at all in Brainbox pollution and in It's >>>so Easy he should have been much louder. Did anyone notice Lemmy went >into >>>the bass line for Down thru the night at about 5:30 into Brainstorm. Boy, >>>Nik is practially gone on Brainstorm. Was he really that bad that night >or >>>did Dave purposely mix him out? >>>R. Scott Heller PhD >> >>Thereby confirming once again the poopy mix! Nik is virtually inaudible, >>the synths are mixed very low, Dave's guitar is mixed pretty low. It's all >>vocals and bass! Ugh! How much better this album could have been with a >>good mix job! >> > > >It has been twenty plus years, but from the perspective of one who was at >the show, the party disc's mix seems pretty accurate to the actual >performance. Lemmy's bass was a pretty strong component of the 1974 >concerts, the 1999 show and the band's September US tour (including the >infamous hammond indiana bust show). > >>>From what I know of hearsay from that era, UA hired locals to record the >show. A dub of the MAN part of the show surfaced at a local college radio >station that winter. I'm not an audio pro but I'm sure present day Dave and >company only had so much to work with from the original tapes. > >Whatever the state of the mix-down, 1999 is a great document of that age of >Hawkwind. I agree completely! It is a great relic to have from that era, and I am certainly grateful to have it. I had speculated that the reason for the "bad mix" may be due to a lack of 24 tracks. Maybe the show was recorded live to 2-track, not leaving much room for mixing, as was fairly common in the early seventies. Speaking of 2-track recording.... did you know that every Can studio album was recorded to 2-track? Amazing.... John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sat Dec 13 14:17:34 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:17:34 -0500 Subject: HW:Hawkwind/Lemmy/Rush/Nik Turner Message-ID: > And I'm also curious to learn if there is someone out there who knows >which shows Rush supported Hawkwind. By the way, Rush are, according to >rumours, preparing a live album from the last tour but will include a full >version of Cygnus X-1 recorded in London 1979, now that's what I call >promising. Rush opened for Hawkwind during Rush's "Caress of Steel" tour, otherwise known as their "down the tubes" tour because show attendance was so low and reviews of the new album were so unfavorable. I'm not sure how many shows that included, or where, but it was in 1975. It is my understanding that there are no existing bootlegs of this infamous Rush tour. If anyone has one, I'd be interested in hearing it! It's cool about Rush including an old live recording. Like Hawkwind, I'd like to see Rush put out some vintage live shows. The Rush from recent years is definitely not very interesting at all. On the other hand, live Rush isn't terribly exciting either, since they basically play their tunes note-for-note. Hawkwind live shows, on the other hand, have some degree of improvisation and variety from night to night and year to year. Plus Rush does those godawful medleys live instead of playing complete songs. I wish Rush could get back on course and write good music once again. The same goes for Tangerine Dream. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sat Dec 13 14:20:11 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:20:11 -0500 Subject: HW: drugs.... Message-ID: At 02:07 PM 12/13/97 +0100, you wrote: >At 12:19 13.12.97 +0000, you wrote: > >> >>Ketamine? Grooogh! Yuk! >>-- >>Jon > >Little brother dxm may be even gooier! I haven't heard of these! what is ketamine and dxm? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Dec 13 14:29:56 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:29:56 +0100 Subject: HW: drugs.... In-Reply-To: <199712131920.OAA18540@wcic.org> Message-ID: At 14:20 13.12.97 -666050028948, our throbbing uni-mind spilled its binary beans and cracked the fractal yolk: >>> >>>Ketamine? Grooogh! Yuk! >>>-- >>>Jon >> >>Little brother dxm may be even gooier! > > >I haven't heard of these! what is ketamine and dxm? >John Majka Jon, John & myself are starting our OWN mailing list now! Ah, well, it's Saturday, I'm off to the opium den..... Christian From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Sat Dec 13 15:12:27 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 15:12:27 -0500 Subject: HW:Hawkwind/Lemmy/Rush/Nik Turner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > Anyway, here's the adress, > > Nik Turner > Pencraig Uchs > Cwmbach > Whitland > Dysed SA34 0DT > Wales Shouldn't that be "Dyfed?" Cheers, Paul (an ex-resident of Gwynedd). obCD: Frank Zappa, _You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. 2_ obYesYouReadRight: My CD hardware is back in the land of the living!!!!! > This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. This message was transmitted from a DECstation 5000/25 running OpenBSD (100% Microsoft-free). e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sun Dec 14 05:14:10 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 03:14:10 -0700 Subject: HW:Hawkwind/Lemmy/Rush/Nik Turner Message-ID: John Majka wrote: By the way, Rush are, according to > >rumours, preparing a live album from the last tour but will include a full > >version of Cygnus X-1 recorded in London 1979, now that's what I call > >promising. > I'd love to see that!!!. > Rush opened for Hawkwind during Rush's "Caress of Steel" tour, otherwise > known as their "down the tubes" tour because show attendance was so low and > reviews of the new album were so unfavorable. I'm not sure how many shows > that included, or where, but it was in 1975. It is my understanding that > there are no existing bootlegs of this infamous Rush tour. If anyone has > one, I'd be interested in hearing it! Me too!!! Me Too!!!! NOW!! > It's cool about Rush including an old > live recording. Like Hawkwind, I'd like to see Rush put out some vintage > live shows. Agreed here as well! > Plus Rush does those godawful medleys live instead > of playing complete songs. really-and I'm a die-hard Rush Fanatic!!Rock on! Pam OBSELF-backpatting-Happy Birthday to me!!! -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Message-ID: In article <199712131920.OAA18540 at wcic.org>, John Majka writes >I haven't heard of these! what is ketamine and dxm? >John Majka >flossbac at wcic.org Chris is privately educating me as to DXM at the moment. Ketamine is an unpleasant (IMHO) psychedelic immortalised in the Freak Brothers as the "3 day Black and White nightmare". Having said that, it's the only way to converse with The Ketamine Entity. It's also what a lot of modern MDMA is cut with. Alledgedly. I wouldn't know. I put all that behind me 10 years ago. :) -- Some prankster using Jon's account. Not Jon. OK? From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sun Dec 14 08:34:51 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:34:51 +0100 Subject: HW: drugs.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 11:18 14.12.97 +0000, blew the covers off the cosmic conspiracy with a waft of hot air in the dead of night: >Chris is privately educating me as to DXM at the moment. Ketamine is an >unpleasant (IMHO) psychedelic immortalised in the Freak Brothers as the >"3 day Black and White nightmare". Having said that, it's the only way >to converse with The Ketamine Entity. It's also what a lot of modern >MDMA is cut with. Alledgedly. I wouldn't know. I put all that behind me >10 years ago. :) >-- >Some prankster using Jon's account. Not Jon. OK? Look, somebody came along here too and wrote all this drug stuff on my PC, I have no idea who they think they are fooling. I am thinking this imposter must be THE REAL STEVE SWANN sending an email from my place to Jon's place and imposting as Jon to read the mail he sent from here there and so on... all part of a mind altering ketamine-DXM experiment of cosmic proportions of course... The DXM and ketamine entities are one and the same and, ah, of course... we have only begun connecting those million points of light... clean as a didgeridoo, Christian From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun Dec 14 16:10:21 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:10:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Festival in Germany Message-ID: Hi folks A very good informed friend phoned 20 minutes ago and told me that HAWKWIND will be playing a Festival in Bremen (Germany) on Saturday, 28.02.1998. The venue is called Lichthaus. If this should be true, I'll be there of course :-) Bernhard From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Dec 14 18:29:28 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:29:28 +0100 Subject: HW:Hawkwind/Lemmy/Rush/Nik Turner Message-ID: John Majka: >Rush opened for Hawkwind during Rush's "Caress of Steel" tour, otherwise >known as their "down the tubes" tour because show attendance was so low and >reviews of the new album were so unfavorable. I'm not sure how many shows >that included, or where, but it was in 1975. It is my understanding that >there are no existing bootlegs of this infamous Rush tour. If anyone has >one, I'd be interested in hearing it! It's cool about Rush including an old >live recording. Like Hawkwind, I'd like to see Rush put out some vintage >live shows. The Rush from recent years is definitely not very interesting >at all. On the other hand, live Rush isn't terribly exciting either, since >they basically play their tunes note-for-note. Hawkwind live shows, on the >other hand, have some degree of improvisation and variety from night to >night and year to year. Plus Rush does those godawful medleys live instead >of playing complete songs. I wish Rush could get back on course and write >good music once again. The same goes for Tangerine Dream. Oh, I thought it was in 1974, I get that impression in the book 'Visions', I asked Nik about it, he's a very nice and pleasant person, but Goddamit, I nearly killed him when he stated "Yes, I remember them, nice people, some kind of AOR", AOR!!! Sometimes I understand why Dave Brock having a hard time with Nik...AOR!!! The nice thing about Rush is that they on the last tour stopped doing this medley stuff, they even did full versions of 2112 and Natural Science, I didn't suffer that much by the medley thing but when they changed from Xanadu to Superconductor, well what can I say, that was another time I nearly murdered living legends. Alex Lifeson did an album called Victor which fullfilled the promises made by Counterparts, it's sensational, dark and brooding, there is one song which is sunged by Lisa DalBello and she does a more than perfect imitation of Geddy Lee a la 1975...I do not usually wet my pants... > Nik Turner > Pencraig Uchs > Cwmbach > Whitland > Dysed SA34 0DT > Wales Shouldn't that be "Dyfed?" Hm, I don't know, I have always thought Dyfed, but the adress in European Space Ritual '94 programme says Dysed, so who knows ? Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sun Dec 14 18:47:33 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:47:33 +0100 Subject: HW:Hawkwind/Lemmy/Rush/Nik Turner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 00:29 15.12.97 +0100, you wrote: > Oh, I thought it was in 1974, I get that impression in the book 'Visions', >I asked Nik about it, he's a very nice and pleasant person, but Goddamit, I >nearly killed him when he stated "Yes, I remember them, nice people, some >kind of AOR", AOR!!! Sometimes I understand why Dave Brock having a hard >time with Nik...AOR!!! hehe... I kinda agree actually :) The spacey sounds that open 2112 is the only Rush I've heard so far that I ever liked! Whenever i would crank up Hawkwind's Electric Tepee in USA at a party or something somebody would always remark the "mwwaaauuww" synth bit at the start of LSD sounded like Tom Sawyer - and then for the next 8 minutes their mind would melt! I don't think I've ever known anyone outside US who's even heard about Rush...? Have they ever toured here? Christian From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sun Dec 14 19:02:53 1997 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:02:53 -0700 Subject: HW: New comps Message-ID: I just picked up a 4-CD set called "Amberdelic Space II: Angel of Ecstacy". I believe it's a Cleopatra release, although mine is made in England, by Dressed To Kill, catalog number CLP 0167-2. Disc Two starts off with Hawkwind doing the live "Do Not Panic" version of Space Chase. It's not a bad collection, although Space Chase's heaviness is a bit out of place here. Anyone know anything about Cleopatra's "Area 51: The Roswell Incident" set? Kevin Sommers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Dec 14 19:10:46 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:10:46 -0000 Subject: HW: Reptillian Raptoids Message-ID: On Saturday, December 13, 1997 12:26 PM, cannibal at CUTEY.COM [SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] wrote: > Reptoids are apparantly one of the 7(?) types of "identified aliens"... > like, we got the Greys (the cute ones), the ones that look like Jesus > (the Gong fans), the hairy little ones and so on. Reptoids are like, > reptilian ones. Apparantly. Maybe I should watch "V" again. > > Christian There's a website at http://www.reptoids.com (where else?) all about them! Golly! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Dec 14 21:52:09 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:52:09 +1000 Subject: OFF: Underactivity Message-ID: Nothing to do? Try this - an interactive game for an underactive audience. http://www.weaveworld.co.uk/game/ Paul From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sun Dec 14 21:40:10 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 03:40:10 +0100 Subject: HW:Hawkwind/Lemmy/Rush/Nik Turner Message-ID: Christian: >I don't think I've ever known anyone outside >US who's even heard about Rush...? Have they >ever toured here? AFAIK they haven't. (They've been in Europe but never in Scandinavia... I t h i n k.) - Daniel ObGame: Worms2 "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Sun Dec 14 23:38:45 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (Damon C Capehart) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:38:45 -0600 Subject: HW:Hawkwind/Lemmy/Rush/Nik Turner Message-ID: cannibal at CUTEY.COM wrote: >I don't think I've ever known anyone outside >US who's even heard about Rush...? Ahem.... or Canada. :-) Damon From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Dec 15 00:47:04 1997 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:47:04 +0200 Subject: HW:Hawkwind/Lemmy/Rush/Nik Turner In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971215024010.00935274@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: >Christian: >>I don't think I've ever known anyone outside >>US who's even heard about Rush...? Have they >>ever toured here? > >AFAIK they haven't. >(They've been in Europe but never in Scandinavia... I t h i n k.) > > - Daniel Not true! I have a tape of RUSH from Oslo from 1979! Last great Rush tour. I also have a tape from them of Massey Hall, Toronto 1975. I gave up on RUSH years ago, but I do have to admit to liking them in the 70's. scott ObCs- Six Finger Satellite- WMBR, Cambridge, MA 1-97 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 37 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 15 06:53:07 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:53:07 EDT Subject: HW:Hawkwind/Lemmy/Rush/Nik Turner In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971215004733.02f85d20@online.no> Message-ID: > From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM > > hehe... I kinda agree actually :) > The spacey sounds that open 2112 is > the only Rush I've heard so far that > I ever liked! > > > I don't think I've ever known anyone outside > US who's even heard about Rush...? Have they > ever toured here? > > Christian Ah, my evil disciple's implants are working now...Let's see, have Rush ever done any religious pilgrimages... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Dec 15 07:54:41 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 04:54:41 PST Subject: HW:...Drugs... Message-ID: Facts and passing observations about the Space Rockers psychedelic pass-times, mostly DMT & shrooms. Th? ???x?r??????l??? H???rd?m??s??? http://www.deoxy.org/deoxy.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 15 07:43:14 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:43:14 EDT Subject: BOC: vinyls In-Reply-To: <199712122227.PAA20464@mars.aros.net> Message-ID: > From: dahl > > I have vinyl copies of Mirrors and CE (Imaginos too!). Could it be that > I'm a collector now? > > Brad Dahl > Jeez, I've only got one each of Mirrors and CE. You're a collector, I reckon. I've got 2 vinyl copies of Imaginos... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 15 08:48:28 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:48:28 -0500 Subject: Club Ninja Message-ID: >I've just picked up CN on CD, the version with the Arthur Levy (who he?) liner notes. "When the War Comes" has an intro by Howard Stern which wasn't on my original vinyl copy, nor the other 2 CD versions of CN I have. Is this the American release, or is the the Howard Stern thing something new that has been put on for this release only? This is most likely the Koch re-release of CN (they re-released it earlier this year), and it's the U.S. version - no real differences other than the liner notes and possibly slightly nicer artwork. John From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Dec 15 09:21:15 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:21:15 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawaii Message-ID: So when did Dave go to Hawaii? Check out http://www.gatewaytohawaii.com/Travel/VisitHawaii/Kauai/Sights/Waimea.html for how to get to Waimea Canyon on Kauai... it looks pretty cool, too! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Dec 15 10:57:53 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:57:53 +0100 Subject: HW:Hawkwind/Lemmy/Rush/Nik Turner Message-ID: scott: >Not true! I have a tape of RUSH from Oslo from 1979! Last great Rush tour. >I also have a tape from them of Massey Hall, Toronto 1975. I gave up on >RUSH years ago, but I do have to admit to liking them in the 70's. Oops! OK... let me try again: AFAIK they've been in Europe in the '80s and the '90s but not in Scandinavia. (...I t h i n k.) :-) - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 15 12:01:52 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:01:52 GMT Subject: Lineup for UK gigs - Bernhard? In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:36:52 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi Mike > > At 16:45 11.12.97 GMT, you wrote: > >Bernhard, could you send the files of tracklists and lineups for the > >recent UK tour please? > OK. Here they are: > > Brock > Chadwick > Tree > Richards > Crum > Rizz > > Crum's 1st gig (for this tour) was 02.10.1997 > Crum didn't play on 18.11.1997 Thanks Bernhard. > >What was the name of the Spacehead bassist who played the >encores? > Sorry, I have no info about this guy He's down on the Spacehead CD as "Mr Dibs". So I guess you have a problem using RI for Rizz and DI for Dibs since those have been used for Richards and DikMik... > >Cheers > Bernhard FoFP From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Dec 15 12:13:09 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:13:09 +0100 Subject: Lineup for UK gigs - Bernhard? In-Reply-To: <199712151701.RAA03542@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 17:01 15.12.97 GMT, you wrote: >So I guess you have a problem using RI for Rizz and DI for Dibs since >those have been used for Richards and DikMik... :-))) Rizz = RZ Dibs = DS Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 15 12:16:00 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:16:00 GMT Subject: Gigs to be rated? Message-ID: This one just came down the libernet pipe. I like Senator Tripp's comment that he looks at rock gigs as he does pornography. It's one way to guarantee nobody will block the view I guess. ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:31:09 -0500 > From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) > Subject: Libernet: CONCERT RATINGS: The New Attack On Free Speech & Music > > ROCK OUT CENSORSHIP (R.O.C. > P.O. Box 147, Jewett,OH 43986 > Press Release > December 8, 1997 > For Immediate Release > > Contact: John Woods: roc at eohio.net, > PH: 740-946-2011 > > CONCERT RATINGS: The New Attack On Free Speech & Music > > Immediately following last month's Senate Subcommittee Hearings on > "violent lyrics" a group of concert hall operators held a meeting to > brew up their own brand of censorship called "Concert Rating." Based > on what a few who attended that meeting have said, we can expect to > see a major push after the first of the year to initiate some form of > rating system for live shows. Currently every idea imaginable has been > thrown on the table ranging from warning labels on tickets, warning > labels on all advertising or promotions material, barring anyone under > 18 from attending "objectionable" shows unless accompanied by a parent > to outright banning of shows by "objectionable" bands. Just who is > going to decide what is "objectionable" is still unclear, but likely > will include any and every act that celebrates non-conformity in any > way. > > All of the above schemes of censorship are in part or all included in > several pieces of legislation being drafted and proposed in a few > states. Daniel Tripp, a Republican state representative from South > Carolina is preparing a bill that will forbid "explicit" concerts from > being held in any venue that is owned or financed by the state. Tripp > claims he "looks at rock concerts in the same way he does > pornography." No doubt where he's coming from. This is nothing short > of outright governmental censorship. Each of the targeted venues > would be considered "arena level" concerts where thousands of people > happily come to the shows without being remotely offended. So why are > the opinions of these thousands of taxpaying music fans being ignored > in favor of the opinions of radical religious organizations such as > the Christian Coalition and the American Family Association that seem > to be offended by any music other than gospel hymns? Quite simply, > the Federal Government, State Governments and Local Governments are > very skillfully using the controversy created by these religious > organizations in an effort to completely render the First Amendment of > the United States Constitution to be a relic from the past in the > interest of gaining greater control over society as a whole, as > governments throughout mankind's history tend to do. Somehow, these > religious groups, together with their political allies, are convincing > the nation that their actions are not censorship, but instead the much > nicer sounding term "protecting the children". We must take a stand > NOW against this blatant assault on our rights to free expression. > > In Michigan, State Senator Dale Shugers(R) is drafting a bill that > will criminalize venue owners who allow minors into shows that > contain what he calls, "offending acts or speech" if they are > unaccompanied by an adult. Venue owners could face up to 90 days in > jail and/or a fine up to $5000. Shugers bill is expected to come > before the full Michigan legislature early next year. Think about > this, folks. If legislation such as this was in place in the 1950's, > Rock and Roll music would have NEVER HAPPENED! This is not about > protecting children, this is about silencing opinions and preventing > cultural change. Those in control quite like the status quo and seek > to eliminate any and all forms of rebellion from society. > "Offensive" bands such as the often targeted Marilyn Manson refuse to > conform to that status quo, and so politicians and religious groups > are seeking to silence their thoughts systematically. > > In the wake of all this legislative activity it's no wonder the venue > owners are scurrying around trying to devise their own "lesser evil" > form of censorship. But is it a lesser evil? We at ROC certainly think > not. Censorship is censorship, regardless of the dosage you're > subjected to. Any attempts to appease the censors only gives them > the "taste of blood" for more attacks. We intend to vigorously oppose > any and all concert rating schemes that come down the pike, be they > from the politicians or the venues and promoters, and we strongly > encourage fans to do likewise. > > There is some encouraging news though. On December 3, Pearl Jam > announced, through their manager Kelly Curtis, that they would boycott > any state that enacts legislation that restricts concert attendance > based on age. Curtis also manages L-7 and Rage Against The Machine who > we hope will also follow the lead set by Pearl Jam. We STRONGLY > encourage all other musical acts to take a strong, vocal stand firmly > against concert ratings. It is impairative that musicians, bands and > fans in both Michigan and South Carolina begin to organize actions > against Concert Ratings NOW!!! The music industry's "corporate > types" will only continue to appease these censoring bastards as > they've been doing all along, so it's up to the artists to provide a > much-needed spine for the industry by using their celebrity status to > effectively draw the line in the sand to tell the would be censors to > stuff it up their asses if they are offended because we have a First > Amendment guaranteeing our freedom of expression in this country that > does not allow political authorities to rid the nation's landscape of > material that happens to offend certain people in power as they are > attempting to do here. > > -30- > > ROCK OUT CENSORSHIP > > > ************************************************************************** > Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues > Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA > on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) > Matthew Gaylor,1933 E. Dublin-Granville Rd.,#176, Columbus, OH 43229 > Archived at http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/listarch?list=FA at coil.com > ************************************************************************** ---- End of forwarded text ---- From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Dec 15 12:13:24 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:13:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawaii In-Reply-To: <01BD0964.B9C4BD60.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 14:21 15.12.97 -0000, Andy Gilham wrote: >So when did Dave go to Hawaii? Check out >http://www.gatewaytohawaii.com/Travel/VisitHawaii/Kauai/Sights/Waimea.html >for how to get to Waimea Canyon on Kauai... it looks pretty cool, too! We can play "Where In The Universe is Dave Brock"... from Reptoids to Hawaii -psychedelic psuperpsleuth with the kosmic klues, Gilham, Andy Gilham, is on the case :)) Anyway, I have sort of kept a mind probe on Uncle Brock's Hawaii thing since reading the interview with Robert Godwin where Brock says he'd love to go and see all the cool stuff in Hawaii, and how the track "Going To Hawaii" on Electric Tepee was sort of his expression of that... and now he's been there and most likely sampled the local vegetation >ack< and written some songs! That's kinda beautiful..... and I'm not full of shit here - well, *slightly*, but not really, it does sorta make me all warm - I mean, imagine, "Dave And The Volcano" or "Hawkwind Five-O" or "Magnu P.I." or "Phetamine Island"... or... or... well, unlimited potential here folks... Christian ObHawaiiHorror: my dad was in the Navy and we lived in Hawaii when I was a little tyke. Burned into my traumatized psyche, is my horrid experience with these black leeches dropping off our dog Oscar after a healthy meal, and me being a raisin loving little toddler... had my first taste of dogblood and leeches...ah, those were the days... I still munch raisins every morning to gear up on natural sugars... I musta liked that dachshund blood... From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Mon Dec 15 12:21:17 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:21:17 -0700 Subject: Off-a great day!!! Message-ID: Hi all! Yesterray was my Birthday-and a nice one too! Even tho I had to work!!! I got "Riven" from my hubby and the new Yes "Open Your eyes" from my good music friend!!! And according to my sister, more stuff is on the way!!!! I also got to talk to 2 of my brothers!! Gee-it's fun to pick on family!! Rock on! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Message-ID: > From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM > ObHawaiiHorror: my dad was in the Navy and we lived in Hawaii when I was a > little tyke. Burned into my traumatized psyche, is my horrid experience with > these black leeches dropping off our dog Oscar after a healthy meal, and me > being a raisin loving little toddler... had my first taste of dogblood and > leeches...ah, those were the days... I still munch raisins every morning to > gear up on natural sugars... I musta liked that dachshund blood... Say, Christian, on your next trip to the US, maybe I could hook you up to one of my Dobermans for a little transfusion action. What's a macho dude like yer old man doing with a little dog? I'd figue him for a Rottweiler man... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Dec 15 15:50:54 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:50:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawaii In-Reply-To: <40BEA6C078B@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 13:14 15.12.97 EDT, you wrote: >Say, Christian, on your next trip to the US, maybe I could hook you >up to one of my Dobermans for a little transfusion action. What's a >macho dude like yer old man doing with a little dog? I'd figue him >for a Rottweiler man... Say, theo, My pop hates animals/everything. The dachs belonged to my mom! jeez, I hate Doberman blood. Actually, I don't really like dogs... they stink... drool.... shit... eat... my cat only does the last two... but pukes alot, especially on carpets... but if we leave it long enough he'll just eat it up again!!!! Christian ObWiseAss: Ted Jackson, jr. From ove.haakansson at SWIPNET.SE Mon Dec 15 16:13:07 1997 From: ove.haakansson at SWIPNET.SE (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ove_H=E5kansson?=) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:13:07 +0100 Subject: Sweden calls.. Message-ID: Hi my Oysterfriends!! Just sending a hallo from the cold Sweden, Maybe i see someone then i get back to U.S and see my favoriteband nr 1(do you know any tour-dates Jan-april??) Take care everybody, See ya // Ove 31 Sthlm mailadress:ove.haakansson at swipnet.se From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Dec 15 16:55:56 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:55:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawaii Message-ID: Christian >Say, theo, >My pop hates animals/everything. The dachs belonged to my mom! >jeez, I hate Doberman blood. Actually, I don't really like >dogs... they stink... drool.... shit... eat... my cat only >does the last two... but pukes alot, especially on carpets... >but if we leave it long enough he'll just eat it up again!!!! My cat still likes to pee on my floor. The floor in the hall is destroyed and I'm really scared of what the landlord will say when I'll move in March. Or what I'll have to explain the mess with! If you have suggestions of good lies to tell him (the landlord - not the cat!:-) I'll be more than happy! - DAnimal "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From dahl at AROS.NET Mon Dec 15 18:52:58 1997 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:52:58 -0700 Subject: BOC: vinyls Message-ID: > Jeez, I've only got one each of Mirrors and CE. You're a collector, > I reckon. I've got 2 vinyl copies of Imaginos... I forgot to mention my vinyl copy of Club Ninja! Brad From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Dec 15 18:57:43 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:57:43 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawaii Message-ID: On Monday, December 15, 1997 5:13 PM, cannibal at CUTEY.COM [SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] wrote: > We can play "Where In The Universe is Dave Brock"... from Reptoids to > Hawaii -psychedelic psuperpsleuth with the kosmic klues, Gilham, Andy > Gilham, is on the > case :)) Shaken *and* stirred right now, by Alan Davey's _Bedouin_ album... which is spacey-jazzy-bassy (not Bassey), proper review tomorrow when I'm less pissed. Anyway I've only got an internet connection and too much time on my hands!!!! You know, I'd never have guessed that evolved dinosaurs from the hollow earth are working on US Air Force research bases without the internet. You should check out that reptoids page if you haven't already. You can fill in their survey of reptoid close encounters if you like, and check the boxes saying "sexual" and "extremely pleasurable" if you're kinky enough. > That's kinda beautiful..... and I'm not full of shit here - well, > *slightly*, > but not really, it does sorta make me all warm - I mean, imagine, "Dave > And > The > Volcano" or "Hawkwind Five-O" or "Magnu P.I." or "Phetamine Island"... > or... > or... well, unlimited potential here folks... If I didn't have the Davey album (and the OP8 album) to listen to first, it'd definitely be an excuse for Radio Birdman's "Aloha Steve and Danno"!! "McGarrett's one cool guy - the guilty will not go free" etc -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Tue Dec 16 00:17:00 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (Damon C Capehart) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:17:00 -0600 Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? Message-ID: From: M Holmes >---- Start of forwarded text ---- >> Subject: Libernet: CONCERT RATINGS: The New Attack On Free Speech & Music >> >> ROCK OUT CENSORSHIP (R.O.C. >> P.O. Box 147, Jewett,OH 43986 >> Press Release >> December 8, 1997 >> For Immediate Release >> >> Contact: John Woods: roc at eohio.net, >> PH: 740-946-2011 >> >> Immediately following last month's Senate Subcommittee >> Hearings on "violent lyrics" a group of concert hall operators held a >> meeting to brew up their own brand of censorship called "Concert >> Rating." Based on what a few who attended that meeting have >> said, we can expect to see a major push after the first of the year >> to initiate some form of rating system for live shows. Currently >> every idea imaginable has been thrown on the table ranging from >> warning labels on tickets, warning labels on all advertising or >> promotions material, barring anyone under 18 from attending >> "objectionable" shows unless accompanied by a parent.... What a bunch of overreacting this is... Not the senators... YOU. Well, OK... -and- the senators. :-P Most smaller venues already have an age limitation. Granted that's because of the sale of hard liquor, but my point is, it's already here, and things are just fine. Laws preventing minors from attending shows at these venues are and have been perfectly fine by me and just about everyone else, excepting the brats themselves. Movie ratings are a product of a commercially voluntary organization of moviemakers (the MPAA), and if record labels and tour promoters want to do the same for concerts, more power to them. It's merely the govt's involvement that irks me - but only a little. Frankly, I want to know if what I'm about to see might offend me. E.g., while I did not go to HW's Atlanta show in '95, had I gone I would like to have known that Ron was going to bring a nudiegirl onto the stage. (I know, that was an impromptu thing and no one would have been able to let me know anyway, but I think you get the drift.) Sorry once again to contribute to this off-topic stuff, but some people can be so selfish. Is it really that big a deal to people that, OH MY GOSH, you'll actually have to FIND OUT what'll be going on at a concert? And, oh bloody hell no, my 14 year old won't be able to attend the 2-Live-Crew concert with me... boo-hoo. Damon P.S.: Reminder - I'm 24. From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Dec 16 06:03:09 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:03:09 +0100 Subject: HW:Bedouin. Message-ID: Cheers friends! Justa short review on Alan Davey?s new CD "Bedouin"; Pure fucking space-metal from the first track to the last. It is the same heavy music as played in Hamburg June-97. Nine tracks on the CD plus a beautiful cover with a map from somewhere in the arab world. Buy or die Henrik -- ========================================================== " Sunrise I greet you, the beauty of your light, so warm and tender was never the night. In tears I see you, the last time it will be, so give me blessing , I?ll meet my destiny" "At the gallows end" from Nightfall by Candlemass Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Dec 16 06:23:12 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:23:12 -0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin album Message-ID: OK, I got this yesterday. First thing I noticed was that it's labelled as as Alan Davey album called "Bedouin", not an eponymous album by the group "Bedouin" (not that that makes much difference I suppose). The players are AD, Danny Thompson on drums, and Sean Massett on guitar (although Alan takes a lot of the guitar parts too), and all the compositions bar one are by Alan (and the other's by Alan and DT). Musically - most of it's instrumental (the vocals on a couple of tracks are by Alan), and as with _Captured Rotation_ you can definitely tell it's a bass player's album. Despite the title, the Middle Eastern influence is slight; it's *there* in places, OK, but this album won't be finding its way onto the World Music racks. I'd call it space-rock with a jazz edge, for the most part. Quite a lot could easily fit onto a Hawkwind album (although that album might be _It is the Business..._ :) Time will tell how much staying power it's got for me personally, but it's a solid achievement, and I expect that 52 minutes of bass-led space rock will go down well on the list! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 16 06:42:30 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 03:42:30 PST Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? Message-ID: >Most smaller venues already have an age limitation. Granted that's >because >of the sale of hard liquor, but my point is, it's already here, and >things >are just fine. Laws preventing minors from attending shows at these >venues >are and have been perfectly fine by me and just about everyone else, >excepting the brats themselves. The _brats_ complain because they wanna be adults and nobody let's them. Deaths and injuries from alcohol occur about 300 times more commonly than from drugs, and about 6 million times more than from loud and allegedly offensive music. Drink laws have a good commonsense grounding. Age restrictions on what you can see and hear? Watch the news and see steaming corpses, beatings, hear graphic descriptions of rape and murder. Let's hear your arguments for censoring that. There are more 24 hour news channels than there are 24 hour music stations, so why don't we look at them in the same light? Which can you see in legislating against music - commonsense or paranoia & bigotry? > >Movie ratings are a product of a commercially voluntary organization >of >moviemakers (the MPAA), and if record labels and tour promoters want >to do >the same for concerts, more power to them. It's merely the govt's >involvement that irks me - but only a little. Cinema is the most powerful medium. Films take months and years to make and have millions spent on them, as you know. Directors have the finest tools in the world at their command in order to make you think and feel exactly how they want you to during a film. They can show you what they want. They can create images impossible to realize in reality. This is why they're rated. And if you don't like the ratings - get the video instead. If you don't want your children to see sex or severed heads, don't let them see an 18 or X movie. What the fuck can a concert do to offend you. You go to a gig if you've heard the music, so you know what you're gonna hear, and most of us can read reviews in the music press, so we know if they do an Alice Cooper hanging scene. > >Frankly, I want to know if what I'm about to see might offend me. > >Sorry once again to contribute to this off-topic stuff, but some >people can >be so selfish. Is it really that big a deal to people? Do you want someone to hold your hand and cover your eyes? Do you want someone else to guide you through life? Do you want advice or do you want all the answers for the day suppplied every morning through the mail or on the TV? Get a real life, make your own decisions and your own mistakes. Because I think I would like to be _free_ to make mine. Do you remember the saying "It's the little things in life..."? The point is that if you start giving up little bits of choice, that freedom of choice continues to be eroded. It's a slow process, but it will happen if we keep capitulating. "If you settle for nothing now, you'll settle for nothing later." The government and the "God-fearing" pressure groups have no right to tell anyone else how to live their lives or how to feel about things. If you don't like something, avoid it - don't rob others of their choice to discover their own likes or dislikes. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 16 07:28:21 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:28:21 GMT Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? In-Reply-To: Damon C Capehart's message of Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:17:00 -0600 Message-ID: Damon C Capehart writes: > > Movie ratings are a product of a commercially voluntary organization of > moviemakers (the MPAA), and if record labels and tour promoters want to do > the same for concerts, more power to them. It's merely the govt's > involvement that irks me - but only a little. It irks me a lot. What's with politicians that they can't simply mind their own damn business? > Frankly, I want to know if what I'm about to see might offend me. E.g., > while I did not go to HW's Atlanta show in '95, had I gone I would like to > have known that Ron was going to bring a nudiegirl onto the stage. I totally agree. There are some gigs that I debate going to that I'd certainly attend if they advertised nude women on stage. > Damon FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 16 07:35:54 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:35:54 GMT Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? In-Reply-To: Horse Whisperer's message of Tue, 16 Dec 1997 03:42:30 PST Message-ID: Horse Whisperer writes: > The _brats_ complain because they wanna be adults and nobody let's them. > Deaths and injuries from alcohol occur about 300 times more commonly > than from drugs, and about 6 million times more than from loud and > allegedly offensive music. The injuries from loud music aren't very obvious until years later. I've hit the age where hearing problems start to show up and I have obvious high frequency problems showing up in slight tinnitus and an inability to pick out one voice from a babble during pub conversations. Odds are good that loud music in my 20's was a primary cause of this. I eschew headphones as much as possible now and sometimes stuff my ears at gigs in order to minimise any exacerbating of the problem. > Drink laws have a good commonsense grounding. Age restrictions on what > you can see and hear? Watch the news and see steaming corpses, > beatings, hear graphic descriptions of rape and murder. Let's hear your > arguments for censoring that. There are more 24 hour news channels than > there are 24 hour music stations, so why don't we look at them in the > same light? > Which can you see in legislating against music - commonsense or paranoia > & bigotry? Information wants to be free. The censors are eventually going to have to deal with that. Protecting THE CHIIILDRUUUN is going to have to amount to teaching kids how to deal with it if they encounter offensive sounds or images. Of course that should have been the method of choice anyway. It should be done by the folks on the spot, the parents, rather than having the government dumb down the world to the level of kids and politicians. > Chris. FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 16 07:01:39 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:01:39 EDT Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? In-Reply-To: <01bd09e1$d6731600$71b92499@netrepreneur.mymail.net> Message-ID: > From: Damon C Capehart > Sorry once again to contribute to this off-topic stuff, but some people can > be so selfish. Is it really that big a deal to people that, OH MY GOSH, > you'll actually have to FIND OUT what'll be going on at a concert? And, oh > bloody hell no, my 14 year old won't be able to attend the 2-Live-Crew > concert with me... boo-hoo. > > Damon > > P.S.: Reminder - I'm 24. Hmm...You're 24, and you have a 14-year-old? Must be another one of those scandinavians... Well, it's pretty scary to think that people as young as you guys are so uptight. Let the gov't. censor concerts, and then what's next? If people think the most offensive thing in the world is a rock concert, then maybe they haven't heard of neat stuff like 'ethnic cleansing.' There are much more substantial issues out there to crusade against than concerts... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 16 07:15:25 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:15:25 EDT Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? In-Reply-To: <19971216114231.21899.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: From: Horse Whisperer > > > >Frankly, I want to know if what I'm about to see might offend me. > > > >Sorry once again to contribute to this off-topic stuff, but some > >people can > >be so selfish. Is it really that big a deal to people? > > Do you want someone to hold your hand and cover your eyes? Do you want > someone else to guide you through life? Do you want advice or do you > want all the answers for the day suppplied every morning through the > mail or on the TV? > Get a real life, make your own decisions and your own mistakes. Because > I think I would like to be _free_ to make mine. > Absolutely! I don't need no stinking government to tell me what is offensive. I can make up my own mind, thank you. All we need is more government intervention and bureaucracy to drive up the costs of concerts... > Do you remember the saying "It's the little things in life..."? > The point is that if you start giving up little bits of choice, that > freedom of choice continues to be eroded. It's a slow process, but it > will happen if we keep capitulating. > "If you settle for nothing now, you'll settle for nothing later." > Yes! Yes! Yes! > The government and the "God-fearing" pressure groups have no right to > tell anyone else how to live their lives or how to feel about things. > If you don't like something, avoid it - don't rob others of their choice > to discover their own likes or dislikes. > > Chris. > Remember how prohibition got passed? A bunch of religious nuts convinced the government that the people wanted it, when nobody wanted it at all. But they were vocal enough to get it pushed through. Probably only 20 percent of the population [at most] wanted it, but they were able to take advantage of the political process to get their own agenda passed. The rest of the people allowed it to happen. We can't sit by and watch, or the supposed moral majority will make all our decisions for us... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 16 08:17:59 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 05:17:59 PST Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? Message-ID: >> P.S.: Reminder - I'm 24. > >Hmm...You're 24, and you have a 14-year-old? Must be another one of >those scandinavians... >Well, it's pretty scary to think that people as young as you guys are >so uptight. Let the gov't. censor concerts, and then what's next? >If people think the most offensive thing in the world is a rock >concert, then maybe they haven't heard of neat stuff like 'ethnic >cleansing.' There are much more substantial issues out there to >crusade against than concerts... > >theo It is amazing what governing bodies will rail against. Is it all just a smokescreen designed to draw our attention away from what they are (or are not) doing? Why is this kind of stuff so impotrant to the US Gov't? Is it because they're largely funded by these Christian/Family Fundamendalists who have big mouths, big opinions and big wallets? Power corrupts, but money corrupts even the power itself. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 16 08:25:42 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 05:25:42 PST Subject: 6L6 - Que? Message-ID: >From: "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" Okay a 6L6 is a type of valve used in amplifiers. Why's it in your name? I've been curious since I first spotted it about 3 weeks ago. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 16 07:26:43 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:26:43 EDT Subject: Off: pet odors In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971215215556.00fad9e8@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: From: Daniel Wikdahl > Christian > >Say, theo, > >My pop hates animals/everything. The dachs belonged to my mom! > >jeez, I hate Doberman blood. Actually, I don't really like > >dogs... they stink... drool.... shit... eat... my cat only > >does the last two... but pukes alot, especially on carpets... > >but if we leave it long enough he'll just eat it up again!!!! > Well, my prior estimates of your good taste are sorely shaken... > My cat still likes to pee on my floor. > The floor in the hall is destroyed and I'm really scared of what the landlord > will say when I'll move in March. > Or what I'll have to explain the mess with! > If you have suggestions of good lies to tell him (the landlord - not the cat!:-) > I'll be more than happy! > > - DAnimal > Daniel, There's this stuff called Nature's Miracle that will definitely kill that odor. Don't know if they sell it over there, but it's readily available over here by mail order... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 16 07:39:03 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:39:03 EDT Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? In-Reply-To: <19971216131759.17314.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: >> From: Horse Whisperer > It is amazing what governing bodies will rail against. Is it all just a > smokescreen designed to draw our attention away from what they are (or > are not) doing? Absolutely true. Dutch Reagan was a master at this. He harped on bullshit issues like school prayer and abortion to divert attention from the fact that he had no clue about how to run a government, and to keep people from examining how he had screwed up the economy. These are 'safe' issues, in that they will likely never amount to much. But everyone has an opinion on them... > Why is this kind of stuff so impotrant to the US Gov't? > Is it because they're largely funded by these Christian/Family > Fundamendalists who have big mouths, big opinions and big wallets? > Power corrupts, but money corrupts even the power itself. > > Chris. Again, the Reagan effect. American conservatives still think that courting the far right is what got Reagan elected, and they're trying to recapture that formula. They don't realize it was Reagan's persona and his rhetoric-in toto- that attracted voters. The far right is a small bloc of voters, as is the religious right [is there any diff.?] But they are extrememly vocal. It's scary, but US politicians will listen to their voters, and if they get enough mail from righty wackos, they'll take notice. Problem is, most liberals dont mobilize to the same extent as conservatives. Probably because they tend to be more individualistic and less concerned with banding into voting blocs... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 16 07:50:50 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:50:50 EDT Subject: 6L6 - Que? In-Reply-To: <19971216132542.18798.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Horse Whisperer > > Okay a 6L6 is a type of valve used in amplifiers. Why's it in your > name? > I've been curious since I first spotted it about 3 weeks ago. > > Chris. > The amp I've been using a lot lately uses 6L6s. I used to be ! If I was a Marshall guy I'd be Ted Jackson EL 34! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 16 09:00:24 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 06:00:24 PST Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? Message-ID: >Problem is, most liberals >dont mobilize to the same extent as conservatives. Probably because >they tend to be more individualistic and less concerned with banding >into voting blocs... > >theo Yeah, the majority of people who are well(ish) adjusted to life are to laid back to mount any kind of concerted public assault, whereas minorities are awfully fond of their soapbox preaching. There's a kindof similar situation here in the UK. Conservatives, who used to be in power, spent the last 3 years of their administration just dealing with scandals, infighting and sleaze, and just not running the country, so we just ticked over, or at least only went downwards slightly. Now Labour has got into power, by a massive majority, because the average liberal punter had got so thoroughly fucked off with everything that they finally got off their areses and voted the Conservatives out. But now Labour's in power and on the strength of one really charismatic leader. So everyone is saying how wonderful he is, and how wonderful Labour government is. But underneath all this loveliness and wonderfulness, every single aspect of choice is being altered and nobody is noticing. In the name of making things better, the gov't is taking food from mouths and then telling the unemployed to get a job (in a nutshell). I dunno. Politics, huh? It's my life they're screwing with! Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 16 09:05:05 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 06:05:05 PST Subject: 6L6 - Que? Message-ID: >> From: Horse Whisperer >> >> Okay a 6L6 is a type of valve used in amplifiers. Why's it in your >> name? >> I've been curious since I first spotted it about 3 weeks ago. >> >> Chris. >> >The amp I've been using a lot lately uses 6L6s. I used to be Jackson jr EL 84>! If I was a Marshall guy I'd be Ted Jackson EL 34! > > > >theo Ah ha, I was right. Marshall used 6L6's for about 18 months starting around 1996 sometime, but found out that it made their already unreliable amps even more so. Maybe I should be "Dr. ECC83". Or maybe "Funkatronic Pandemonium Enhancer" Or maybe not. Chris. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Chaos theory involves many small funk particles and free-radicals, so all dischord and random objules must be filtered into a direct injecting flange coupling to the Funkatronic Pandemonium Enhancer in order that the truth be intelligible to mere mortals." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 16 08:19:15 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:19:15 EDT Subject: 6L6 - Que? In-Reply-To: <199712161405.GAA03939@f131.hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Horse Whisperer > Ah ha, I was right. Marshall used 6L6's for about 18 months starting > around 1996 sometime, but found out that it made their already > unreliable amps even more so. > Actually, 6L6s [5881s in Eur.] El34s and EL84s will all fit in the same socket. You can swap EL34s for 6L6s, though you'd have to change the bias on the amp... > Maybe I should be "Dr. ECC83". Over here you'd be Dr. 12AX7! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 16 09:13:06 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:13:06 -0600 Subject: OFF: More Rush Bashing, Theo? Message-ID: >Ah, my evil disciple's implants are working now...Let's see, have >Rush ever done any religious pilgrimages... Gee guy, you really have it bad for Rush. I'm sure you have explained dozens of times before why you dislike them so much but c'mon man, these guys can play. I'm not a huge fan of theirs, was in to them more in the 70's than now, but give them some credit ok? They have achieved quite a bit in their careers and are still going fairly strong. I'd sure like to know who (besides the obvious, BOC, Richard Thompson) you do like. Get into the X-mas spirit folks and try some Trans Siberian Orchestra or Ho-Ho Hoey II. {Shameless commercial plug for the day} PS - Thanks for the response John. Agian I'll be happy to sink my teeth into some KB or EW, however I hope this is not the inital sign of the Apocalypse multiple BOC releases in the same year. Can Angel be next? L8er lil' ab "When a nice clean brain tumbles to the dirty street to lie among the discarded wrappers and spat out gum wads of wickedness, you can't just pick it and wash it off with soap and water; you gotta think it clean from the inside out." - The Tick OBCD - Saigon Kick, Devil in the Details From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 16 08:33:23 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:33:23 EDT Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? In-Reply-To: <19971216140024.22301.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: From: Horse Whisperer > slightly. Now Labour has got into power, by a massive majority, because > the average liberal punter had got so thoroughly fucked off with > everything that they finally got off their areses and voted the > Conservatives out. It's going to take a major upheaval over here [like another oil crisis--most of you all will be too youing to remember the price of gas doubling overnight in the 70s. When I was in my early 20s you could buy gas for about 50 cents a gallon, as opposed to 1.20 or so nowadays] to do any substantive reworking of American politics. Our 2 parties are virtually the same. Both centrists, with the democrats only slightly more liberal. A big change from the 60s when the 2 parties really were different. Our big problem politically is that nobody votes, so both parties are so careful to court anybody they think MIGHT vote! We only have about 45 percent of the eligible voters going to the polls. And a little over half of that elects anyone. So really, our leaders are only truly favored by less than 25 percent of the public! When Reagan was reelected, in a landslide, he received a smaller part of the eligible electorate than Wendell Wilkie got in LOSING to FDR in the 40s... > But now Labour's in power and on the strength of one really charismatic > leader. So everyone is saying how wonderful he is, and how wonderful > Labour government is. Hitler was pretty charismatic... > But underneath all this loveliness and wonderfulness, every single > aspect of choice is being altered and nobody is noticing. > In the name of making things better, the gov't is taking food from > mouths and then telling the unemployed to get a job (in a nutshell). > You could come here and hear the same thing from our pols. They talk about a war on poverty, but it's really a war on poor people. Gingrich et al want to withdraw funding from mental hospitals and throw all the patients on the streets. Tell everyone to get a job, but the only jobs out there will pay people less and give them a lower standard of living than they'd have on public assistance. People can only get shit jobs, because the schools poor people go to are inferior. The rich pols don't give a shit if public schools are a joke, 'cause they can afford to send their kids to private schools... > I dunno. Politics, huh? It's my life they're screwing with! > > Chris. You got that right! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 16 08:45:27 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:45:27 EDT Subject: OFF: More Rush Bashing, Theo? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > >Ah, my evil disciple's implants are working now...Let's see, have > >Rush ever done any religious pilgrimages... > > Gee guy, you really have it bad for Rush. I'm sure you have explained > dozens of times before why you dislike them so much but c'mon man, these > guys can play. I'm not a huge fan of theirs, was in to them more in the > 70's than now, but give them some credit ok? They have achieved quite > a bit in their careers and are still going fairly strong. I'd sure like > to know who (besides the obvious, BOC, Richard Thompson) you do like. > I don't really hate them all that much, but I know their fans are so serious about them that I can always get one to take the bait! It's really Geddy's voice that I can't stand [though their lyrics are awful too]. But if they had a decent singer, I could like them, bad lyrics and all. Alex's a great gtr player, no doubt... > Get into the X-mas spirit folks and try some Trans Siberian Orchestra or > Ho-Ho Hoey II. {Shameless commercial plug for the day} > His last one, Bug Alley kind of disappointed me, sad to say. Although I admire him for working so fast in the studio, now I'm thinking maybe he should put more time on his projects. What's the point of using Roy Thomas Baker to produce a record you're essentially just throwing together? theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Dec 16 10:30:20 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:30:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: More Rush Bashing, Theo? Message-ID: At 09:45 AM 12/16/97 EDT, you wrote: >> From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." >> >Ah, my evil disciple's implants are working now...Let's see, have >> >Rush ever done any religious pilgrimages... >> >> Gee guy, you really have it bad for Rush. I'm sure you have explained >> dozens of times before why you dislike them so much but c'mon man, these >> guys can play. I'm not a huge fan of theirs, was in to them more in the >> 70's than now, but give them some credit ok? They have achieved quite >> a bit in their careers and are still going fairly strong. I'd sure like >> to know who (besides the obvious, BOC, Richard Thompson) you do like. >> >I don't really hate them all that much, but I know their fans are so >serious about them that I can always get one to take the bait! It's >really Geddy's voice that I can't stand [though their lyrics are >awful too]. But if they had a decent singer, I could like them, bad >lyrics and all. Alex's a great gtr player, no doubt... >theo Even I, a definite Rush fan (have all the albums etc.), will agree that Geddy's voice is pretty bad, although it has gotten a lot better from the mid-80's on. All that screechy stuff is just plain awful! As for the lyrics, I think everything not written by Neil Peart pretty much sucks. And then Neil started writing REALLY BAD, TRITE, "SOCIALLY CONSCIENTIOUS" PABLUM some time in, I don't know, the 80's? It's hard to pinpoint exactly when the band started going sour. The first album of course is bad, and then the band got really good, and then more recently they've become abysmally bad. The music recently is extremely tired, cliched stuff, and the lyrics are worse! Somewhere along the line I think Rush started thinking that they wanted to write more natural, intuitive sounding music, but they mistook this "naturalness" with just plain not trying/not keeping the internal quality control in the "on" position. I think the last redeemable album was probably "Presto", but the rot had definitely already begun by this point. And "Test For Echo"... well, it's just plain boring and dull. Nothing about it makes me want to listen to it. And the lyrics... good god, that's awful stuff! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org OBCD: Spoonfed Hybrid (self-titled) From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Dec 16 09:41:16 1997 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:41:16 +0200 Subject: OFF:Faves of 1997 Message-ID: MY FAVORITE CD'S OF 1997 These are the CD's that I have bought this year that really have grabbed me and I really recommend to all with diverse tastes in muisc. Alien Planetscapes- Life on Earth (US) What can I say? Amazing free form space rock jazz... Great CD! Too long of a wait! Hawkwind- The 1999 Party (UK) Amazing live CD. Keep them coming Dave! Deep Purple- Live in Japan (25th Anniversary Reissue) 3CD's (all three shows that Made in Japan was taken from, amazing sound. It is mixed spacially, so that you really can tell where everyone on the stage is. Incredible mix!) Outrage- Who we Are (Japan)- Incredible japanese metal band, with just a great groove and guitar riffs. Vagtazo Halottkemek- Reconquering Eden (Hungary) Incredible band but very hard to describe and a bit over the top for some, but I love them! Santana- Live at the Filmore 68' (US) This is simply an incredible jam session, with one over 30 minute song and many over 10! Tangle Edge- Tarka (Norway) The more I listen to this one the more I like it. The guitar playing at times just blows me away. The whole band is great. This takes a few listens to catch on.. Don't give up to early. The Gathering- Nightime Birds (Holland) Great progressive doom metal band with incredible female vocals. Bevis Frond- NOrth Circular (UK) Nick has done it again. A mixed bag but still enough great and interesting stuff to make me want to hear it over and over.. Give me the Pips! Adrian Shaw- Displaced Person (UK) This one also took a few listens. SOmeof the songs are really influenced by ENO a lot! Some almost industrial sounding stuff to start the disc off and then into some psychy stuff and ENO like stuff. A incredible mix of cool and interesting stuff. Architectural Metaphor- Creatures of the Velvet Void (US) This bands 2nd Cd with great new songs and a long killer jam based on Golden Void to end the disc. Mix could have been a lot better but great playing and songs. UFO- Walk on Water (UK) I know this one was released in japan last year, but it just came out in Europe and is amazing. Michael has written some incredible new riffsthat sound like they were from 1978! The concert in K?benhavn was incredible as well, but the band might have been in isolation booths as there was absolutely no interaction between the band on stage at all. Phil Moog (singer) never said a single word to anyone in the band the whole show, while on stage! scott ObCs- St. Mikael- Soul Flower (sweden R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 37 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Dec 16 11:09:17 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:09:17 +0100 Subject: Off: pet odors In-Reply-To: <41F1F811BDA@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 08:26 16.12.97 EDT, theo wrote: >Well, my prior estimates of your good taste are sorely shaken... Oh my - will you take my sincere apology? >Daniel, >There's this stuff called Nature's Miracle that will definitely kill >that odor. Don't know if they sell it over there, but it's readily >available over here by mail order... There are of course many ways to teach your cat NOT to piss on the floor, but once he's done it... Yes... theo seems to be the expert on odors - good call theo ! BTW, as far as my poor taste goes, at least we share our enthusiasm in putting Rush and their crypto fascist sci-fi schlock drywank wannabe progrock down!!!! :) Christian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 16 10:24:05 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:24:05 EDT Subject: OFF: More Rush Bashing, Theo? In-Reply-To: <199712161530.KAA07662@wcic.org> Message-ID: > From: John Majka > band started going sour. The first album of course is bad, and then the > band got really good, and then more recently they've become abysmally bad. > The music recently is extremely tired, cliched stuff, and the lyrics are > worse! Somewhere along the line I think Rush started thinking that they > wanted to write more natural, intuitive sounding music, but they mistook > this "naturalness" with just plain not trying/not keeping the internal > quality control in the "on" position. I think the last redeemable album was > probably "Presto", but the rot had definitely already begun by this point. > And "Test For Echo"... well, it's just plain boring and dull. Nothing > about it makes me want to listen to it. And the lyrics... good god, that's > awful stuff! > > John Majka The problem with Rush is they started out as basic Zep clones, then tried to shift gears into prog territory. They have great ability as players, but not nec. as composers. I think that's why they are starting to disappoint people. They could get by on playing ability for quite a while, but I think the absence of musical ideas is what's undoing them now. FWIW, I think Geddy's quite a bass player, and, from what I've seen in interviews is a really nice guy. The dudes in Rush all seem to have a sense of humor when being interviewed, but the albums are so humorless... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 16 10:44:39 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:44:39 EDT Subject: Off: pet odors In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971216170917.02f7d21c@online.no> Message-ID: > From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM > There are of course many ways to teach your cat NOT to piss on the floor, > but once he's done it... Yes... theo seems to be the expert on odors - good > call theo ! > I can spot a Rush album blindfolded... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Dec 16 12:13:43 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:13:43 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Meow Mix review? Message-ID: Didn't Steve Swann promise us a review of the Meow Mix show? Finally, I can personally blame Steve for something! It feels good. I guess that's why no one takes responsibility anymore- they can all blame Steve. Although blaming Theo is worthwhile too. BTW Theo, I'll be wearing a blue (teal?) Box of Hammers shirt to the show. See you, Jason, Torgo, and hopefully some more BOC-L people at the show! Brian From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Dec 16 12:21:52 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:21:52 -0700 Subject: HW 1999 Party & DH Message-ID: Hi all! will someone be wiling to dub these things for me? I'll be happy to send blank tape!! I've tried to order both-and get "Huh??? whosat???" Same with Subterannia!! I guess I'm gonna hafta try internet orders-not gonna get it anywhere else:) Rock on! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool >scott: >>Not true! I have a tape of RUSH from Oslo from 1979! Last great Rush tour. >>I also have a tape from them of Massey Hall, Toronto 1975. I gave up on >>RUSH years ago, but I do have to admit to liking them in the 70's. > >Oops! >OK... let me try again: >AFAIK they've been in Europe in the '80s and the '90s but not in Scandinavia. >(...I t h i n k.) :-) O.K. These are the European Tours by Rush: 1977 (Britain,Germany and Sweden) 1978 (Britain) 1979 (extensive 3 month European tour including Scandinavia) 1980 (Britain) 1981 (Britain (Europe ?)) 1983 (Europe) 1988 (Europe) 1992 (Europe) A small anecdote 'bout Rush's stardom, as told by a Kerrang! or Metal Hammer journalist in 1992, according to my memory: - A couple of days ago I talked to some record company executives from Rush's label and they were amazed to hear that Rush is still around and that they are playing London this week -Where ? they asked. Marquee ? - No, two sell-outs at the Wembly Arena. Is Doug Smith working at EastWest I wonder ? ;^> Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM Tue Dec 16 13:01:56 1997 From: tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM (Scott Bullerwell) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:01:56 -0700 Subject: OFF:Faves of 1997 Message-ID: This is an easy one this year, fer some reason... 1. Djam Karet--The Devouring. The first studio album from rock/space/avant/jazz DK since "Burning the Hard City." To quote my pal Russell "Spacier than Enya on a Xanax drip. Heavier than Pantera ever dreamed of being. Think 'Mahavishnu.' Dickey Betts' Great Southern. Pink Floyd. King Crimson." Devouring is more proggy, and has some killer Theremin parts. 2. And of course, the Rush remasters. Scott Bullerwell tanelorn at dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 16 12:12:38 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:12:38 EDT Subject: BRAIN: Meow Mix review? In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76012DB2@BPXSV> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > > BTW Theo, I'll be wearing a blue (teal?) > Box of Hammers shirt to the show. See > you, Jason, Torgo, and hopefully some more > BOC-L people at the show! > > Brian Great news! I'm going for sure. Only thing that would screw it up would be a huge snowfall that day. Let's see...Torgo will be wearing his t-shirt. I'll be the only wheezer in the place, shouldn't be too hard to spot... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From chip at PCC.COM Tue Dec 16 13:25:08 1997 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:25:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: More Rush Bashing, Theo? In-Reply-To: <42214645C9F@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" at Dec 16, 97 11:24:05 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 spoke: > The problem with Rush is they started out as basic Zep clones, then > tried to shift gears into prog territory. Your comment seems to imply that they failed. Personally, I wouldn't call them prog, but they have certainly avoided being a I-IV-V rock band for almost 30 years, and that's worth something. > They have great ability as > players, but not nec. as composers. Clearly, that's a matter of taste. I'm not sure exactly what "composing" ability means for a 3-piece rock band, but their collective songwriting skills - lesse, Red Barchetta, Chemical Kid, 2112, Xanadu, Freewill, etc. x 30 - have been excellent. > They could get by on playing ability > for quite a while, but I think the absence of musical ideas is what's > undoing them now. I wish more bands would "get along on playing ability for quite a while" like Rush has. Whether you think they suck now or then, they cranked out a lot of high quality music from about 1972 until 1988 (MY faves, anyway). That's 16 grade-A years. That's about as long as our good friends, BOC. Hell, the last real BOC output would be what...ETL? [Imaginos goes to Albert, imo.] I agree, Theo, that it's particularly easy to bait Rush fans. Especially those who think Neil Peart is a drum god. But insulting any band with a broad brushstroke, as you have done here, would tick anyone off, don't you think? -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Dec 16 13:34:11 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:34:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: More Rush Bashing, Theo? Message-ID: >from what I've seen in interviews is a really nice guy. The dudes in >Rush all seem to have a sense of humor when being interviewed, but >the albums are so humorless... They actually on occasion have a fair amount of humor live, too, but more in terms of when they're talking, not playing. And they never put this kind of stuff on their live albums.... last time I saw them was the coldest day of last winter here in West Palm Beach, mabye 45 degrees at concert time outdoors at Coral Sky ampitheater with a stiff wind the entire time, and Geddy kept ragging all the huddled people in the crowd about how this wasn't really cold weather we were complaining about... (I watched about half that show from the sides by one of the restrooms holding my hands in front of the hot air hand dryer).... (side note, it got colder than that night last night, we're really miserable here now. And the high won't break the mid 60's, we're told....) (metric equivalents for this e-mail - "maybe 8 degrees at concert..." "won't break the mid teens" The time I saw them before that (well, hey, no spacerock bands ever come to florida, If it weren't for BOC's occasional swings through here Rush and Floyd would be the only concerts I'd ever go to) they were all introduced with fake names, I can't recall the other two but Alex Lifeson was introduced as "Fabio", and halfway through the next number he started doing a number of strongman macho poses.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 16 13:04:34 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:04:34 EDT Subject: OFF: More Rush Bashing, Theo? In-Reply-To: <199712161834.NAA12352@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: > From: "Andrew A. Apold" > put this kind of stuff on their live albums.... last time I > saw them was the coldest day of last winter here in West Palm Beach, > mabye 45 degrees at concert time outdoors at Coral Sky ampitheater > with a stiff wind the entire time, and Geddy kept ragging all the huddled > people in the crowd about how this wasn't really cold weather we were > complaining about... (I watched about half that show from the Well, you can't blame him. They're from Toronto, right? I live in the tundra myself, but the absolute coldest I've ever been was a winter's day spent in Toronto. You gotta be tough... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 16 13:10:59 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:10:59 EDT Subject: OFF: More Rush Bashing, Theo? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Chip Hart > I wish more bands would "get along on playing ability for quite > a while" like Rush has. Whether you think they suck now or > then, they cranked out a lot of high quality music from about > 1972 until 1988 (MY faves, anyway). > > That's 16 grade-A years. > > That's about as long as our good friends, BOC. Hell, the last > real BOC output would be what...ETL? [Imaginos goes to Albert, > imo.] > Really, FoUO. I never said BOC wasn't guilty of many of the excesses I blast other groups for. Nobody's immune. At least BOC's always had a sense of humor... > I agree, Theo, that it's particularly easy to bait Rush fans. > Especially those who think Neil Peart is a drum god. But > insulting any band with a broad brushstroke, as you have done > here, would tick anyone off, don't you think? > Sure thing! But anyone who;s been on the list for a while knows Rush is like a pet rock to me, and I'm needling the fans more than critiquing the band itself. And I own a couple of Rush albums myself, BTW...Saw them open for BOC once or twice back in the hoary days of yore... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Dec 16 14:44:07 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:44:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin album In-Reply-To: <01BD0A15.259D51E0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: How does this compare to Captured Rotation? Is CR rockier? I've been planning to get CR and now this throws me off - seems like CR is better (rockier/punkier/whatever?). Ah., the thrill of drawing conclusions based wholly upon imagined merits. Oh, has Danny Thompson grown another drumming arm now? Or does he still use his forehead???? Christian At 11:23 16.12.97 -0000, you wrote: >Musically - most of it's instrumental (the vocals on a couple of tracks are >by Alan), and as with _Captured Rotation_ you can definitely tell it's a >bass player's album. Despite the title, the Middle Eastern influence is >slight; it's *there* in places, OK, but this album won't be finding its way >onto the World Music racks. I'd call it space-rock with a jazz edge, for >the most part. Quite a lot could easily fit onto a Hawkwind album >(although that album might be _It is the Business..._ :) > >Time will tell how much staying power it's got for me personally, but it's >a solid achievement, and I expect that 52 minutes of bass-led space rock >will go down well on the list! > >-Andy > >-- >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Dec 16 14:38:38 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:38:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: More Rush Bashing, Theo? In-Reply-To: <424C0FA7CFF@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 14:04 16.12.97 EDT, you wrote: >> From: "Andrew A. Apold" >You gotta be tough... > > >theo Hey, anyone who can sit through a Rush show..... bash, bash, bash against the wall---- Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Dec 16 15:08:09 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:08:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour progs! In-Reply-To: <423E3882F02@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: It's funny how All Things seem to point here: my first Moorcock book was Elric: The Vanishing Tower (1985-ish) my first HW album was Chronicle of The Black Sword (1988-ish) my first HW video was Chronicle of The Black Sword (1996!) my first HW tour programme was Chronicle of The Black Sword! (1997!) (if only my first show and T-shirt had been the same...) Anyway, I kinda like this tour programme, cheesy & cool. I think I need MORE!! I'm thinking, graphics wise, I won't find any "unseen" stuff from the SA/CYM or '70-75 periods if I have the CDs & remasters which have tons of graphics with the CDs. I am mainly looking for new cool Hawkwind graphics/stuff/legend. I guess progs from the 76-79 period would be something of a priority since not only is it *my* favorite HW period but also their most cheaply repackaged as CDs with the least graphics..... I remember the '91 show/tour I really wanted a tour programme, but was broke at the time and had to get a T-shirt instead :( I even had to choose shirts, and picked the Lord Sutch one over the Palace Springs one... Of course at the 95 show in NYC they were sold out of shirts AND tour progs!! I just bought two posters and a badge with a levitating green elephant and had all this money left.... bummer! Straight to the bar....... Anyway, if anyone can list up all the tour progs with some brief descriptions and such... I'd be more orientated in the world of high intrigue and Hawkwind memorabilia hunting!! Christian ObCheeseMemorabilia: The crap bootleg Space Ritual T-shirt that Vinyl Addiction are peddling off....!!! Scan from CD cover melted into some 1" thick plastic mat melted into a perfectly good 100% cotton tee!! From chip at PCC.COM Tue Dec 16 16:07:51 1997 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:07:51 -0500 Subject: OFF:Faves of 1997 In-Reply-To: <199712161806.LAA22868@hyper.dimensional.com> from "Scott Bullerwell" at Dec 16, 97 11:01:56 am Message-ID: Scott Bullerwell spoke: > 1. Djam Karet--The Devouring. The first studio album from > rock/space/avant/jazz DK since "Burning the Hard City." To quote my pal > Russell "Spacier than Enya on a Xanax drip. Heavier than Pantera ever > dreamed of being. Think 'Mahavishnu.' Dickey Betts' Great Southern. Pink > Floyd. King Crimson." Devouring is more proggy, and has some killer > Theremin parts. Where are you finding this stuff? I've looked for Karet albums after a zillion recommendations, and can't find any. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 16 15:11:02 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:11:02 EDT Subject: OFF: More Rush Bashing, Theo? In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971216203838.02f7de54@online.no> Message-ID: > From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM > At 14:04 16.12.97 EDT, you wrote: > >> From: "Andrew A. Apold" > >You gotta be tough... > > > > > >theo > > Hey, anyone who can sit through a Rush show..... > > bash, bash, bash against the wall---- > Christian He's good! He's really good! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Dec 16 16:23:02 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:23:02 +0100 Subject: OFF:Faves of 1997 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 16:41 16.12.97 +0200, you wrote: >Scott Heller's FAVORITE CD'S OF 1997 >Alien Planetscapes- Life on Earth (US) What can I say? Amazing free form >space rock jazz... Great CD! Too long of a wait! > >Hawkwind- The 1999 Party (UK) Amazing live CD. Keep them coming Dave! > >Architectural Metaphor- Creatures of the Velvet Void (US) This bands 2nd Cd >with great new songs and a long killer jam based on Golden Void to end the >disc. Mix could have been a lot better but great playing and songs. I totally agree on the above 3 ! Haven't heard enough of the new Tangle Edge or the Ade Shaw at all though. I would add: Hawkwind - Distant Horizons : Kerrr-anng!! Wotta bag of Halloween candies (just don't ask Ron to Trip Or Treat because he'll do both). The Xenon Codex of the 90's, a varied mix of hard crunchy munchies and soft taffy treats! Jessamine - Another Fictionalized History (US): Tangerine Dream, Suicide and Spectrum/Spacemen 3 play the same bill and JAM at an outer space hipster hangout. Collected rarities from across the known fashionable cosmos.... Voivod - Phobos (CAN): Raygun paranoid space thrash industrial psychedelic avant-garde metallists return back in form..! The "companion" to 1985's awesome Killing Technology!! This would get Al Jourgenson to pee his little leather panties and run crying to his mommy!! Julian Cope - Interpreter (UK): arguably its true the IDEA of mr. Jesus Cope is better than his music, this is oddly traditional in his usually untraditianal way (??) - "Spacerock with Me" and "The Loveboat" are absolutely hilarious/ spot on, and generally his lyrics are smart as usual. If you can take his drug burnout philosophy/rants/Messiah-complex combined with weirdly normal bubblegum acid-pop/spacey rock with skewed heapings of analog sauerkraut then get it! Like Bevis Frond, every album is an interesting mixed bag with staying power.... Gong/v.a. - You're Remixed (UK) - what a great set that proves Gong were very far ahead of their time (and *ack* boy were they, er, heads). Some killer remodellings of the awesome cosmic You album by System 7, Orb, Shamen and many others - I'd say Mad Stof take(s) the No. 1 prize for their incredible remix of Master Builder. Here we go into space, kids - wheeee!! HawXtar - HawXtar (Sweden) - not necessarily as GOOD as it is INTERESTING, but the band sounds better with their own material than anything else I have heard of theirs. And Nik is his usual demented self doing old Hawkwind numbers with the DarXtar boys doing their best Space Ritual. (I didn't say it was *essential*! :-) Honorable reissue mention: the early SunDial - Return Journey collection and the 2CD Stranglers set! Honorable mention, EP's: Hawkwind - Love In Space (just for the live Paradox) Amorphis - My Kantele (all 'round great including the awesome Levitation cover!) OP8, featuring Lisa Germano - Sand: won this in a radio contest, this is GREAT smoky, late night, laid back atmospheric listening... (most of the other CD's I won were crap!!) Christian ObCD: Guru Guru - UFO From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Dec 16 16:32:59 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:32:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: More Rush Bashing, Theo? In-Reply-To: <426DD0A154F@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >> >You gotta be tough... >> > >> > >> >theo >> >> Hey, anyone who can sit through a Rush show..... >> >> bash, bash, bash against the wall---- >> Christian > >He's good! He's really good! >theo Used to practice on a roommate in art school, he would play Xanadu over and over and over... thanks for the compliments, without you I would have been less bold/hamfisted in my wit. Christian Ob#1DemographicConcentrationOfRushFans: TREKKIES! From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Tue Dec 16 17:10:53 1997 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:10:53 -0700 Subject: OFF:Faves of 1997 Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Chip Hart To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 2:25 PM Subject: Re: OFF:Faves of 1997 >Scott Bullerwell spoke: >> 1. Djam Karet--The Devouring. The first studio album from >> rock/space/avant/jazz DK since "Burning the Hard City." To quote my pal >> Russell "Spacier than Enya on a Xanax drip. Heavier than Pantera ever >> dreamed of being. Think 'Mahavishnu.' Dickey Betts' Great Southern. Pink >> Floyd. King Crimson." Devouring is more proggy, and has some killer >> Theremin parts. > > Where are you finding this stuff? I've looked for Karet albums > after a zillion recommendations, and can't find any. Make that a zillion-and-one! One place to get "The Devouring" is http://www.fe.org/bin/state.pl/863750911513/labels/cuneiform.html . All of their previous stuff was self-released, and though I don't know if this address is still good, I got them all from: DJAM KARET HC PRODUCTIONS P.O. BOX 883 CLAREMONT, CA 91711 U.S.A. Good luck in getting it, it'll be well worth it. Kevin Sommers From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Dec 16 17:01:13 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:01:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Devouring and where to get it!! Message-ID: I got my copy of DK's "The Devouring" from M&M Music on the 'Net. Don't know the WWW address off the top of my head, but if you can find the Mastermind homepage, you can get to it from there (all of those addresses are over on another computer that I can't access at the moment). The new DK is on the Cuneiform label, so it should somewhat easier to find than the older releases (but they are still worth tracking down...) Then, again, I think the Artist Shop carries them, too, and you should have their WWW page, as Gary is a contributor to this list... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: Chip Hart To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 4:30 PM Subject: Re: OFF:Faves of 1997 >Scott Bullerwell spoke: >> 1. Djam Karet--The Devouring. The first studio album from >> rock/space/avant/jazz DK since "Burning the Hard City." To quote my pal >> Russell "Spacier than Enya on a Xanax drip. Heavier than Pantera ever >> dreamed of being. Think 'Mahavishnu.' Dickey Betts' Great Southern. Pink >> Floyd. King Crimson." Devouring is more proggy, and has some killer >> Theremin parts. > > Where are you finding this stuff? I've looked for Karet albums > after a zillion recommendations, and can't find any. > >-- >Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com >People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip >15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 >Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 16 16:10:20 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:10:20 EDT Subject: OFF: More Rush Bashing, Theo? In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971216223259.02f84b70@online.no> Message-ID: > From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM > > Used to practice on a roommate in art school, he would play Xanadu > over and over and over... > > thanks for the compliments, without you I would have been less > bold/hamfisted in my wit. > > Christian > Geez, don't know who got the better of that exchange. Were you this twisted BEFORE the repeated Xanadu listenings? theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Dec 16 16:57:15 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:57:15 -0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin album Message-ID: On Tuesday, December 16, 1997 7:44 PM, cannibal at CUTEY.COM [SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] wrote: > How does this compare to Captured Rotation? Is CR rockier? I've been > planning > to get CR and now this throws me off - seems like CR is better > (rockier/punkier/whatever?). Ah., the thrill of drawing conclusions based > wholly upon imagined merits. Oh, has Danny Thompson grown another > drumming > arm now? Or does he still use his forehead???? > I'd say that CR is marginally heavier, and marginally better. Not much in it though and I expect others will disagree. I didn't really notice the drumming, which probably means it's competent but that's about it. Give him a chance - it's ten years on and he's got better. So has Alan of course! In the photo, DT appears to be using drumsticks :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Dec 16 17:14:18 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:14:18 -0000 Subject: Tour progs! Message-ID: > Anyway, if anyone can list up all the tour progs with some brief > descriptions The ones I've got are: 79 - colourful A4, 20 pp, double-page spread on each member with bio etc, Pete Frame's family tree, some photos, some lyrics, some "nuclear facts". Nice. Levitation 80 - A4, 16pp, album cover on front, tour dates, load of photos, discog, lyrics. Not as nice but OK. Sonic Attack 81 - 20 pp, bigger than A4, photos, discog, "interstellar transit form", "earth visitors passport" etc , tour dates, order form for merchandise. ?8 for a sweat shirt was a lot in 1981! Choose your Masques 82 - bigger than A4, 20pp, album cover on front, lyrics and photo montages, the same earth visitors passport as last year, ad for Badger amps, 2 pages about Baron Rojo (that year's support act). All right I suppose. Earth ritual 84 (? might be 83, memory going) - bigger than A4, 20pp, more photos, lyrics, dodgy artwork, page about Bronz (really crap support act), some crap photos of Harvey eating a watermelon and Fred looking ill, and a Chevrolet with a New York license plate reading "HAWKWIND". T-shirts were ?6 and scarves were ?3. I'll see if I can do some scans from them if you like. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Dec 16 17:16:17 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:16:17 -0000 Subject: OFF:Faves of 1997 Message-ID: > OP8, featuring Lisa Germano - Sand: won this in a radio contest, this is > GREAT smoky, late night, laid back atmospheric listening... (most of the > other > CD's I won were crap!!) Spooky - I just got the OP8 album (_Slush_) yesterday, great sultry stuff. They're Giant Sand, of course. My fave of 97 - really has to be _Lower Yourself_ by the New Christs! Does it fucking rock out or what! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Dec 16 17:26:41 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:26:41 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Meow Mix review? In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76012DB2@BPXSV> from "brian halligan" at Dec 16, 97 12:13:43 pm Message-ID: brian halligan writes: > > Didn't Steve Swann promise us a review > of the Meow Mix show? Argh! I'm trying, but writing a review is time consuming, and time is exactly what I don't have right now. > Finally, I can personally blame Steve for > something! It feels good. I guess that's > why no one takes responsibility anymore- > they can all blame Steve. Although blaming > Theo is worthwhile too. *What* are we blaming Theo for? Nevermind, I don't care - blame Theo! Yeah! Steve From torgo at NORWICH.NET Tue Dec 16 17:54:35 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:54:35 -0500 Subject: tBS: Ithaca Message-ID: Once upon a time, Theo said.... >Great news! I'm going for sure. Only thing that would screw it up >would be a huge snowfall that day. Let's see...Torgo will be wearing >his t-shirt. I'll be the only wheezer in the place, shouldn't >be too hard to spot... Good call Theo, you read my mind. I will probably be wearing a RUSH - Counterparts shirt, it's got a rabbit sitting on a turtle on it. Same thing on the weather, if the roads are clear you can bet I will be there, but if it's crappy forget it. Those hills around Cincinatus between Norwich and Ithaca are pretty NAZTY!!! Besides, ever since my head-on a few years back I know better than to tease an icy road. Has anyone received their copy of Malpractise yet? Not hearing many people chime in with praises for it yet, and I know I don't have mine yet. Starting to.... panic...... now..... Help me.... Spock...... (my rotten ass Shatner imitation there). One last thing, I'll back up AB on the Trans-Siberia Orchestra Christmas album. THIS is the Christmas album I'm not embarrased to listen to! If you dig Savatage at all, it's a must, as it is basically them with a full orchestra and some guest vocalists. A christmas concept album with some killer sounds on it. But then again, what the fark do I know? I like RUSH. ;^) Torgo has left the building......... torgo at norwich.net Palace- Galaxystation.com PORT:9998 From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Dec 15 18:13:16 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:13:16 +0000 Subject: Off: Rush In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971216170917.02f7d21c@online.no> Message-ID: >BTW, as far as my poor taste goes, at least we share our enthusiasm in putting >Rush and their crypto fascist sci-fi schlock drywank wannabe progrock down!!!! > >:) > >Christian > Sorry, can't resist any longer..well said Christian - I can't think of any other rock group that has irritated me more over the years - and as for (the previously mentioned) Geddy Lee's voice, whoever cut his balls off did nobody any favours! OK OK OK I know they can play, but so could al the guys in those hideous 70s/80s fuzak groups. ChrisW ObCD:Blue Note: Into The Blue sampler From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 16 17:32:52 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:32:52 EDT Subject: tBS: Ithaca In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971216175435.00687bf8@norwich.net> Message-ID: > From: Torgo > Good call Theo, you read my mind. I will probably be wearing a RUSH - > Counterparts shirt, it's got a rabbit sitting on a turtle on it. Same thing > on the weather, if the roads are clear you can bet I will be there, but if > it's crappy forget it. Those hills around Cincinatus between Norwich and > Ithaca are pretty NAZTY!!! Besides, ever since my head-on a few years back > I know better than to tease an icy road. > Man, I can still remember going to last Jan.'s Binghamton show. White knuckles on the wheel the whoe trip. Over 2 hours for a usual 70 minute trip. I used to commute bet. Syr and Utica every day, and that winter driving pretty much blew my mind. The trip to Ithaca isn't too bad once you get to Cortland. If it's at all possible I'll be there big time... > Has anyone received their copy of Malpractise yet? Not hearing many people > chime in with praises for it yet, and I know I don't have mine yet. > Starting to.... panic...... now..... Help me.... Spock...... (my rotten > ass Shatner imitation there). > Thought I'd pick it up at the gig. At the Elmira gig they didn't have any yet, though Al said they'd be getting them any time now... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From erics at NOW.COM Tue Dec 16 18:29:48 1997 From: erics at NOW.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:29:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: More Rush Bashing, Theo? In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971216223259.02f84b70@online.no> from "cannibal@CUTEY.COM" at Dec 16, 97 04:32:59 pm Message-ID: cannibal at CUTEY.COM wrote: > > Used to practice on a roommate in art school, he would play Xanadu > over and over and over... Well, if there's a Rush song worth playing over and over and over, Xanadu's it. That or Cygnus. It could have been worse; he could have liked Fly by Night, or New World Man, or... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at now.com | | / Question: When was the Golden Age of Science Fiction? Asimov's Answer: 13. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Dec 16 20:20:48 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 02:20:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: More Rush Bashing, Theo? In-Reply-To: <427D9DF018F@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 17:10 16.12.97 EDT, theo wrote: >Geez, don't know who got the better of that exchange. Were you this >twisted BEFORE the repeated Xanadu listenings? > >theo Hmm, no, it was after the botched sex change operation during my 13 year crack and pcp addiction around the time when my whole family died in a moose related carnage near the golf course where I pimped out the local children to gypsy serial killers for crack money and set fire to myself in protest against the fall of the Iron Curtain as predicted in a love letter from Charlie Manson's hidden personality who was having a secret affair with Barbra Bush's heroin connection in Thailand. Or around then at some point. Christian ObNow: sleep From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Tue Dec 16 18:57:28 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:57:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Kill the Rush thread . . . Please???? Message-ID: Hello-- Can we drop the Rush thread? Last I heard, this was a Hawkwind/BOC discussion group--not a "let's bash Rush and see who gets upset" group. Look, if you don't like it, it sucks. If you do, it's bitchen'. I like Rush (old Rush anyway), so it's bitchen'. I don't give a rat's ass what anyone else thinks about that. Guido obCDplayer--_Wardenclyffe Tower_ by Alan Holdsworth (how could a guitar jazz album with both Chad wackerman and Vinnie Colaiuta possibly be bad?) obLPplayer--_Permanent Waves_ by Rush (IMHO, light years better then anything I've heard by BOC). -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Dec 16 21:06:57 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:06:57 -0500 Subject: More Best of 1997 Message-ID: A few of my 1997 faves: Hawkwind: "The 1999 Party" Stereolab: "Dots and Loops" Guided By Voices: "Say it With Angel Dust: Tonics and Twisted Chasers" and the Rush remasters... Hmmm...not much this year... John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Tue Dec 16 23:55:43 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (Damon C Capehart) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:55:43 -0600 Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? Message-ID: Ted Jackson wrote: > Damon wrote: >> ...And, oh >> bloody hell no, my 14 year old won't be able to attend the >> 2-Live-Crew concert with me... boo-hoo. >> P.S.: Reminder - I'm 24. >Hmm...You're 24, and you have a 14-year-old? Must be another one >of those scandinavians... :-) *sigh* >Well, it's pretty scary to think that people as young as you guys are >so uptight. Let the gov't. censor concerts, and then what's next? Misunderstanding: A) I agree with the assessment that censoring (for the most part) is wrong. B) What I don't understand is why it's such a big deal to make information about events (content, etc.) available to us ahead of time. I read the Dallas Morning News' movie reviews not because I agree with them (rarely), but because at the end, along with the stars, they say "Rated R for language, gore, and one topless roll in the hay" (or something similar). The only thing I don't like about it is that they often forget to mention certain things that I would have thought obvious. E.g., when Star Trek : First Contact came out, they gave no mention of the moderate use of bad language. (It wasn't that bad, but enough considering how many younger children were bound to see the movie). Anyway, some sort of regulation as to some sort of general consensus about "what might offend" would be good. Not censorship, just disclosure (the opposite of censorship?). Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Wed Dec 17 00:16:16 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (Damon C Capehart) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:16:16 -0600 Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? Message-ID: Ted Jackson wrote: >Horse Whisperer wrote: >Absolutely! I don't need no stinking government to tell me what is >offensive. I can make up my own mind, thank you. Warning: I am going to scream. Don't read it if you don't want to see it. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUGGGGGHHH!!!!! Okay, slowly now.... I. know. very. well. what. offends. me. The. government. would. not. be. telling. me. what. offends. me. It's pretty obvious what tends to offend a significant # of people, at least in the U.S.: offensive language (not as big a deal for me), portrayals of sex and/or violence, drug use, etc. Again: the government would -NOT- be telling us what offends us; they would be warning parents and others of content that would be unsuitable for themselves or their children - WHETHER DUE TO LACK OF ABILITY TO HANDLE (in the case of gore and violence) OR LACK OF ABILITY TO COMPREHEND (in the case of drugs). Horse whisperer: > If you don't like something, avoid it - don't rob others of their choice > to discover their own likes or dislikes. Just to re-reiterate: This is NOT about government telling us what we should consider offensive; we know what offends us. This is about granting us the freedom to decide whether or not we want to attend a movie/concert, watch a TV show, whatever, based on what a number of us find offensive. Read the freakin' post before screaming "censorship". We ought to have the right to know what to expect. Our decisions would be better informed that way. Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Wed Dec 17 00:29:13 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (Damon C Capehart) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:29:13 -0600 Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? Message-ID: Horse Whisperer writes: >Is it because they [politicians] are largely funded by these >Christian/Family Fundamendalists who have big mouths, big >opinions and big wallets? Power corrupts, but money corrupts even >the power itself. Your final statement is correct, and agrees with Christian doctrine: "Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. For THE LOVE OF MONEY IS A ROOT OF ALL SORTS OF EVIL, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many riefs." - 1st Timothy 6:9-10 (New Amer. Standard, emphasis mine). Your offense toward many of these Christians is well-placed, to an extent. On the other hand, your offense toward all Christians based on your assessment of these vocal few (Few by your [and Theo's] own writings) is not, and likewise your apparent assessment of Christianity itself. Damon P.S.: In other words, as I've said before, people like Splat Buchanan offend me about as much as he does you. From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Wed Dec 17 00:42:59 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (Damon C Capehart) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:42:59 -0600 Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? Message-ID: I quoted: >"...and some by longing for it >have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with >many riefs." Oops... I meant "griefs". :-) Damon From corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU Wed Dec 17 01:27:18 1997 From: corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU (Dmitri Lapitski) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:27:18 +0300 Subject: HW: Bedouin album Message-ID: Why you so don't like Danny Thompson's drumming? He wasn't a bad drummer, not the best but not worst! I think that the worst drummers in Hawkwind were Martin Griffin and Ginger Baker. Andy Gilham wrote: > On Tuesday, December 16, 1997 7:44 PM, cannibal at CUTEY.COM > [SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] wrote: wholly upon imagined merits. Oh, has Danny Thompson grown another > > drumming > > arm now? Or does he still use his forehead???? > > > > I'd say that CR is marginally heavier, and marginally better. Not much in > it though and I expect others will disagree. I didn't really notice the > drumming, which probably means it's competent but that's about it. Give > him a chance - it's ten years on and he's got better. So has Alan of > course! > > In the photo, DT appears to be using drumsticks :) > > -Andy > > -- > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 17 01:40:36 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:40:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin album In-Reply-To: <349770C6.BDE0E399@elnet.msk.ru> Message-ID: At 09:27 17.12.97 +0300, you wrote: >Why you so don't like Danny Thompson's drumming? He wasn't a bad >drummer, not the best but not worst! I think that the worst drummers in >Hawkwind were Martin Griffin and Ginger Baker. Sir, is there an emergency mental hospital in your area?? Ginger Baker!!!??? Christian From corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU Wed Dec 17 02:04:03 1997 From: corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU (Dmitri Lapitski) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:04:03 +0300 Subject: HW: Bedouin album Message-ID: > Sir, is there an emergency mental hospital in your area?? Ginger Baker!!!??? Yes, Ginger Baker! His drumming in Hawkwind was really horrible! That is what I think. And I think that the most skillful drummers in Hawkwind are Simon King and Richard Chadwick. Dmitri From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Dec 17 03:15:01 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 01:15:01 -0700 Subject: OFF: More Rush Bashing, Theo? Message-ID: cannibal at CUTEY.COM wrote: > At 14:04 16.12.97 EDT, you wrote: > >> From: "Andrew A. Apold" > >You gotta be tough... > > > > > >theo > > Hey, anyone who can sit through a Rush show..... Sit?????? I never make it to a chair the whole show:) Fun stuff for me (diehard Rush fan-hard to bait with anything!!) heehee:)Rock on! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Message-ID: Heaven Deconstruction - bleak soundscape remixing by The Young Gods. Awesome. Paradise Lost - _One Second_ - new direction from a rapidly maturing band. New Christs - _Lower Yourself_ (thanks Andy). This does indeed 'kin *rock* Prodigy - _Fat of the Land_, & so does this. Karma to Burn - strange heavy rock, even stranger song titles. Singles: Apollo440 _Ain't talking bout Dub_ Curve _Chinese Burn_ Definitely a thin year for releases though. Tim ObCD: Afro Celt Sound System _Whirl Y Reel_ From Barczinski at CELANESE.DE Wed Dec 17 04:44:53 1997 From: Barczinski at CELANESE.DE (Barczinski, Reiner, WAC) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:44:53 +0100 Subject: Best ? Message-ID: Oh, something I've to say! Because I just had to think of it, last days! On trial - Head entrance -> danish Rockband, somewhat Monster-Magnet-like, IMO, a little bit more "retro", perhaps! But great! Acrimony - Tumuli shroomaroom -> same style, less lyrics ("Yeah --- yeah --- yeah" ...), but still brilliant! Tiamat - A deeper kind of slumber -> no comment And some other styles I like, too : Faith no more - Album of the year Prodigy - Fat of the land Bjoerk - Homogenic -> tooo beautiful Paradise lost - One second That's most of it ... Reiner From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 17 05:37:28 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:37:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin album Message-ID: On Wednesday, December 17, 1997 6:27 AM, Dmitri Lapitski [SMTP:corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU] wrote: > Why you so don't like Danny Thompson's drumming? He wasn't a bad > drummer, not the best but not worst! I think that the worst drummers in > Hawkwind were Martin Griffin and Ginger Baker. > > Well, it was Christian that was really laying into him, but I didn't like him back in his HW days - then again I didn't get on with that whole line-up, for the most part. Griffin was a good guy, so I won't hear anything against him! And I recall him doing a pretty decent impromptu solo when the power went half-way through "Psi Power" once. Baker was a bit of an arsehole, and his style didn't fit, but technically he's surely hard to fault? His Majesty King Simon is of course totally irreplaceable! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 17 05:41:09 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 02:41:09 PST Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? Message-ID: > >Okay, slowly now.... >I. know. very. well. what. offends. me. > >The. government. would. not. be. telling. me. what. offends. me. Now we're getting down to YOUR opinion. >Again: the government would -NOT- be telling us what offends us; they would >be warning parents and others of content that would be unsuitable for >themselves or their children - WHETHER DUE TO LACK OF ABILITY TO HANDLE (in >the case of gore and violence) OR LACK OF ABILITY TO COMPREHEND (in the case >of drugs). I agree with you one hundred percent. This was why I mentioned the fact that, unlike movies, you can get the CD before you see the show, and read a review of a previous date on the band's concert tour. This is, I think, fulfilling your criteria for pre-information. What more can you ask for? > >Horse whisperer: >> If you don't like something, avoid it - don't rob others of their choice >> to discover their own likes or dislikes. > >Just to re-reiterate: >This is NOT about government telling us what we should consider offensive; >we know what offends us. This is about granting us the freedom to decide >whether or not we want to attend a movie/concert, watch a TV show, whatever, >based on what a number of us find offensive. > >Read the freakin' post before screaming "censorship". We ought to have the >right to know what to expect. Our decisions would be better informed that >way. > >Damon > I think that the ORIGINAL post was quite clear about the government's intentions, and these were to impose and enforce guidelines. Your view on this is very idealistic and if how you see things is how they turn out, then all well and good, but, and this is a big but, you don't really believe that sensible, gentle legislation like that will actually be brought in do you? The reason we're reacting like this is because we all know what governments do in "public interest" cases such as this. It's a hobby horse for rallying public opinion, because it's something upon which everyone has an opinion. It doesn't improve your standard of living, it doesn't improve the standing of your country, all it does is give your government a free hand to legally shut down any venue or stop any touring band (rather than just have some right-wing evangelist or congressman making a name for himself shouting) and make your country look bigoted and small-minded. It would, in essence, BE the gov't telling you what you're allowed to witness, and not the mere provision of a ratings system which I agree would be nice (if a little unnecessary). Your initial post didn't make it clear what you drew from the original posting, and I think me and the others picked up on a different angle. This doesn't mean we didn't read yours. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 17 06:32:50 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:32:50 GMT Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? In-Reply-To: Damon C Capehart's message of Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:16:16 -0600 Message-ID: Damon C Capehart writes: > Just to re-reiterate: > This is NOT about government telling us what we should consider offensive; > we know what offends us. This is about granting us the freedom to decide > whether or not we want to attend a movie/concert, watch a TV show, whatever, > based on what a number of us find offensive. I have no problem with information about possibly offensive content being posted beforehand *IF* the folks promoting the gig want to do so. It does allow people to make up their own minds. However, it's objectionable if the government *forces* gigs to do so whether they want to or not because it forces up costs. People who are frightened of being accidentally offended can either simply avoid unrated gigs or seek reviews before buying tickets. It's unreasonable for them to enlist the government in an attempt to force these costs onto people who are more prepared to take their chances. Also, there's no reason why it has to be a government agency which rates gigs. The Moral Majority are perfectly capable of publishing their own ratings as are other interested *private* agencies. Just to reiterate: It's privayte behaviour and as far as politicians are concerned, none of their damn business. > Read the freakin' post before screaming "censorship". We ought to have the > right to know what to expect. No, you ought to have the right to find out what to expect, not to have it published at the expense of others. > Damon FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 17 05:51:42 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:51:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? In-Reply-To: <41EB4C54406@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: In article <41EB4C54406 at library.syr.edu>, "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" writes >There are much more substantial issues out there to >crusade against than concerts... That's the WHOLE point, though, isn't it? The "other issues" might actually involve some form of self-sacrfice i.e. You're not actually going to stop poisoning the atmosphere with your emissions or wiave any of the third world debt etc. etc. so in order to feel "righteous" you're going to get on Alice Cooper/Ozzy/Maralyn Manson's case (delete when level of "offence" reached) Of course there are more important issues. This is how they are avoided without prickling the concisensce. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 17 06:38:22 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:38:22 +0000 Subject: More Best of 1997 In-Reply-To: <199712170913.JAA09031@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199712170913.JAA09031 at dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk>, bart writes >Definitely a thin year for releases though. Disagree. It's been a great year for new releases. A lot of bands I've been into for years are now the mainstream. Q's cover discs are no longer Hothouse Flowers and Sheryl Crow, but are Prodge, Radiohead, Verve etc. Maybe there is no underground anymore. Highlights... Spiritualized _ Ladies And Gentlemen, We Are Floating In Space Primal Scream - Vanishing Point and Echo Dek HW - 1999 & DH Chemical Brothers - Drill Your Own Hole Radiohead - OK Computer Supergrass - In it For the Money Bentley Rythm Ace - S/T Photek - Modus Operandi Verve - Urban Hymns Charlatans - Telling Stories Cornershop - When I was Born For The 7th Time Prodigy - Fat Of The Land Foo Fighters - Colour and Shape Lee Scratch Perry Box Set Year's Best Reissue - Joy Division - Heart And Soul (yeah, like that's going to go over big on this list. I liked 'em in the late '70's, could _NOT_ countenence listening to them for nearly 20 years, what's more disliked anyone who did. Idjit! It's _Epic_ ) Big Bummer - Dinasaur Jr. split. pretty obvious stuff for me thses days. No more dodgy noise merchants making "difficult" music for me, middle age I guess.... BTW Christian, Interpreter was 1996 otherwise I'd have ranked it too! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 17 05:55:22 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:55:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin album In-Reply-To: <349770C6.BDE0E399@elnet.msk.ru> Message-ID: In article <349770C6.BDE0E399 at elnet.msk.ru>, Dmitri Lapitski writes >Why you so don't like Danny Thompson's drumming? He wasn't a bad >drummer, not the best but not worst! I think that the worst drummers in >Hawkwind were Martin Griffin and Ginger Baker. Q : What's the difference between a chiropodist and Ginger Baker? A : A chiropodist bucks up your feet! -- Jon Browne From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 17 06:51:13 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:51:13 EDT Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Jon Browne > > That's the WHOLE point, though, isn't it? The "other issues" might > actually involve some form of self-sacrfice i.e. You're not actually > going to stop poisoning the atmosphere with your emissions or wiave any > of the third world debt etc. etc. so in order to feel "righteous" you're > going to get on Alice Cooper/Ozzy/Maralyn Manson's case (delete when > level of "offence" reached) Of course there are more important issues. > This is how they are avoided without prickling the concisensce. Abso-fuckin-lutely. Well said, Jon! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 17 05:58:44 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:58:44 +0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin album In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971217074036.02f896d0@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971217074036.02f896d0 at online.no>, cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes >Sir, is there an emergency mental hospital in your area?? Ginger Baker!!!??? > >Christian Yeah, Ginger Baker (Bagel Tattwa!) Overrated or what??? OK, some of his less indulgent Cream stuff was alright, but Keee-rist the '70's and other indulgences were not kind to Mr. Bagel-Tattwa. Lumpen and turgid spring to mind. I've got the Cream 4-Disc box set, listen to the 17 minute version of Toad and see.......... -- Jon Browne From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 17 07:55:09 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:55:09 -0000 Subject: More Best of 1997 Message-ID: > Year's Best Reissue - Joy Division - Heart And Soul (yeah, like that's > going to go over big on this list. Fine by me, Jon! In fact I feel a definite urge to dust off _Unknown Pleasures_ and slap it on de turntable right now! Going by recent threads, I'll think you'll have more of a problem with the Prodigy though (although I thought the "Smack My Bitch Up" video was quite mild really). -Andy ObLP: Joy Division - _Unknown Pleasures_. "She's Lost Control"! Oh yes! -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Wed Dec 17 08:04:01 1997 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:04:01 -0500 Subject: HW: New comps Message-ID: >From: Kevin Sommers >I just picked up a 4-CD set called "Amberdelic Space II: Angel of = >Ecstacy". I believe it's a Cleopatra release, although mine is made in = >England, by Dressed To Kill, catalog number CLP 0167-2. Disc Two starts = >off with Hawkwind doing the live "Do Not Panic" version of Space Chase. = >It's not a bad collection, although Space Chase's heaviness is a bit out = >of place here. I don't think that's a Cleopatra release; it's just that Dressed To Kill likes to license stuff from other labels and Cleopatra is easy. I passed on that one after getting burned by another Dressed To Kill compilation: _Stilletto Vamp: A Goth Masterpiece_. Two of the selections were the Sisters doing "Temple of Love" and the Crue doing "Love Cats". I figured the Crue was just a typo, but no, it really was a different band doing the Cure song, and the Sisters were not the Sisters of Mercy. And there wasn't that much Goth all together. Definately did not live up to the packaging. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 17 07:03:28 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:03:28 EDT Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? In-Reply-To: <01bd0aac$b59f2380$81c22499@netrepreneur.mymail.net> Message-ID: > From: Damon C Capehart > > Your final statement is correct, and agrees with Christian doctrine: > "Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many > foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. For > THE LOVE OF MONEY IS A ROOT OF ALL SORTS OF EVIL, and some by longing for it > have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many > riefs." - 1st Timothy 6:9-10 (New Amer. Standard, emphasis mine). > If this is so, then why do the pope, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham, etc., etc. live like kings, while Christ said to sell all one's possessions and give the money to the poor? theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 17 08:09:45 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 05:09:45 PST Subject: More Best of 1997 Message-ID: >Photek - Modus Operandi Does this LP have _2 Sword Technique_ or the track which appeared on the WIRE compilation? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 17 08:11:05 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:11:05 -0000 Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? Message-ID: > If this is so, then why do the pope, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham, > etc., etc. live like kings, while Christ said to sell all one's > possessions and give the money to the poor? On the other hand, Mother Teresa left two sheets and a bucket. Literally. But I'd rather talk about music than debate belief systems. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 17 07:27:18 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:27:18 EDT Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? In-Reply-To: <01BD0AED.6B48C520.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: >> From: Andy Gilham > > On the other hand, Mother Teresa left two sheets and a bucket. Literally. > > But I'd rather talk about music than debate belief systems. > > -Andy My last word on the subject [for now]: check out: http://www.SecularHumanism.org find the index of articles and click on the interview with Chris Hitchens about his expose on Mother Teresa! Mind killing stuff! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Wed Dec 17 09:36:47 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:36:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger Message-ID: People trashing Ginger Baker ???? Right well anyone whos been around here a while knows what to expect, takes a lot to wake me from my stupor, but this'll sure do it. Dmitri, Jon Browne - both of you outside now ! I'll teach you the meaning of good drumming with one hand tied behind my back ! -Overrated or what??? Are you insane ? This man is a prodigy, touched by the hand of God, the Jimi Hendrix of the drum kit. - : What's the difference between a chiropodist and Ginger Baker? - A : A chiropodist bucks up your feet! Thats the point fer crissakes, Ginger is the only person who in getting from A to B will always take a different route each time, while still arriving at B exactly when he's supposed to, its the players who can't handle that because they need each individual beat to reinforce their own timekeeping that get screwed up. - listen to the 17 minute version of Toad and see.......... why he's the only drummer who ever should be allowed more than three minutes of drum solo, because he can actually think of variations to last 17 mins. A tip, theres a video of Cream partly last concert at Albert Hall, partly interviews, Ginger is at his drumkit showing a few sample rolls, he thinks hes doing nothing special, I defy anybody else to be left anything but speechless by his apparent totally independent control of all four limbs. As for his work with HW - Levitation I would have to say is his finest contribution. Right who's next then ??? ;-) Steve L. From corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU Wed Dec 17 09:54:32 1997 From: corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU (Dmitri Lapitski) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:54:32 +0300 Subject: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger Message-ID: Stephen Lindsey wrote: > As for his work with HW - Levitation I would have to say is his finest > contribution. Levitation is one of the greatest albums evr but it's not my favourite cause of Baker's drumming. IMHO, his drumming was too weak and didn't fit well HW music. Dmitri From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 17 08:59:50 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:59:50 EDT Subject: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger In-Reply-To: <199712171436.JAA02793@dogberry> Message-ID: > From: Stephen Lindsey - listen to the 17 > minute version of Toad and see.......... > > why he's the only drummer who ever should be allowed more than three minutes > of drum solo, because he can actually think of variations to last 17 mins. > I'm no big fan of drums solos, but, err.., there happens to be a pretty good drummer right here on this list who can play a good 3 minutes of drum solo without ever hitting a drum! I hate to defend a guy who most of the world thinks is an asshole, and plays in a band universally reviled on BOC-L, but listen to Carl Palmer on Karn Evil 9 on Welcome Back My Friends. That's as good as anything GB's ever done... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From mpower at FCMC.COM Wed Dec 17 10:12:07 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:12:07 -0500 Subject: More best of 1997 Message-ID: My vote, STRANGE DAZE 97 In Space we Trust, Marc. -- SpaceRock Central - featuring the extraordinary music of B0RN to G0 and Alien Planetscapes. (site in progress). "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." From mwood at AGILE.COM Wed Dec 17 10:16:32 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:16:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Drumming Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > I hate to defend a guy who most of the world thinks is an asshole, > and plays in a band universally reviled on BOC-L, but listen to Carl > Palmer on Karn Evil 9 on Welcome Back My Friends. That's as good as > anything GB's ever done... Better make that "almost universally reviled." At least their work prior to 1977. MWood NP: _Finisterre_ - Finisterre (excellent 90s prog rock from Italy) From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Dec 17 10:26:03 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:26:03 -0600 Subject: Off: So much stuff...so little time Message-ID: Geez were getting busy again... Theo>His last one, Bug Alley kind of disappointed me, sad to say. Although I admire him for working so fast in the studio, now I'm thinking maybe he should put more time on his projects. I like this one a lot, not quite as good as Endless Summer II but he's stretching his horizons a bit. Glad that he finally decided to throw some vox into the mix. I like both covers. Gary gives you music unlike some of those others who seem to want to overwhelm you with thier ability at the expense of the song. Yep I like this one a ton. >Deep Purple- Live in Japan (25th Anniversary Reissue) 3CD's (all three shows that Made in Japan was taken from, amazing sound. It is mixed spacially, so that you really can tell where everyone on the stage is. Incredible mix!) Man what a stocking stuffer this would make. Does anyone know how many official live releases Deep Purple has? Talking about the stuff you can buy in a store. As for all of this political stuff, take a break people and calm yourselves with Trans Siberian Orchestra, Christmas Eve and Other Stories. L8er lil' ab OBWish for the holidays - That all who plan to attend tBS' latest gig have good clear sailing both to and fro. From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Wed Dec 17 11:33:01 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 03:33:01 +1100 Subject: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger Message-ID: At 17:54 17/12/97 +0300, Dmitri Lapitski wrote: >Stephen Lindsey wrote: >> As for his work with HW - Levitation I would have to say is his finest >> contribution. > > >Levitation is one of the greatest albums evr but it's not my favourite >cause of Baker's drumming. IMHO, his drumming was too weak and didn't >fit well HW music. > >Dmitri > REPENT! GB's drumming was excellent for the hawks--he added a new dimension. Sure, he overplays at times, but so what? on another tangent....I have finally worked out why I think DH is not as good as previous stuff. Bring back real keyboard players. (sorry Dave). I would rather have Harvey Bainbridge back in the line up or Del or someone. DH horizons, while good, lacks vision, dimension, and direction, when compared to say, ET. The songs are too short, too. But it is a contender for my top 4 albums of the year 1997, all the same. (typical fan- no real objectivity) Back in the box, Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Dec 17 11:28:52 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:28:52 -0500 Subject: More best of 1997 Message-ID: Marc Power wrote: > My vote, > > STRANGE DAZE 97 seconded. rj From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 17 11:52:06 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:52:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: Farewell To Rush: let's duke it out in r.m.p.! Message-ID: Hey, there's a Rush fanboy lookin' for trouble in rec.music.progressive! All the "serious proggers" have already ganged up on him! Let's jump in and kick his whiny ass over to alt.music.rush where he belongs! Yeah!! C'mon theo, we'll have a couple of bonghits and take your chopper! I'll get in the sidecar.... crank up the Steppenwolf... bring the tyre irons and chains... Christian ObCD: Kingdom Come _Journey_ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 17 12:01:18 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:01:18 GMT Subject: More best of 1997 In-Reply-To: Ron Jennings's message of Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:28:52 -0500 Message-ID: OK, you yanks have got me all curious about Architectural Metaphor, Alien Planetscapes, Spacious Mind, and Born To Go. I'd like to have a listen on tape before I spring for any CD's though so does anyone want to do a tape trade? I have a few Hawkwind live tapes. FoFP From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Dec 17 12:31:47 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:31:47 +0100 Subject: Off: Rush Message-ID: Hi, It's obvious, all this Rush-bashing is due to envy, every release since 2112 has been gold or platinum sellers, Your fave bands are forgotten by all except You /; ^ > They play great, doing great songs and have beautiful covers. Some of the lyrics might be a bit pretentious (not always a bad thing, but in this case probably). However, their fans (most of them anyway) are total, f***ing, royal pains in the ass. I subscribe to the NMS and some of those guys discussions are just over the top, I can hardly believe what I'm reading. Earlier this year Neil Peart's daughter died and there was a discussion on have to respond to this and some of the letters where totally respectless and really distastefull. And You should see 'em discussing politics, oh my God, far out maaan. A coupla of weeks ago there were some person who stated that Neil Peart is contradicting himself by comparing songs which had almost 20 years on their neck to songs on the latest album, even Stonehenge would change, at least a little bit, in 20 years. I would like to get back to Alex Lifeson's Victor, now that's an album (help me Knut, help me), You should all give it a chance. Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 17 12:40:25 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:40:25 +0100 Subject: Off: Rush In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I would like to get back to Alex Lifeson's Victor, now that's an album >(help me Knut, help me), You should all give it a chance. >Kenneth Whoa! Knut's into Rush?? Allright... gotcha Knut! He better be careful about pr'tenshussly dissin' AC/DC (or even The Cult!!!!) in *my* mailbox again! Christian From mpower at FCMC.COM Wed Dec 17 12:52:34 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:52:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: NYC SpaceRock 1997 Party! Message-ID: The dawn of a new age is accompanied by both the pangs of birth and the wonders of creation. Unable to decide which is which, SpaceRock bands B0RNtoG0 and Alien Planetscapes will both be providing a little of each at the Pyramid Club in NYC on Saturday December 20th 9pm. At this time of the Winter Solstice celebrations, Join us at this gathering of the Cosmic brethren. Let us bid adieu to the Lords of Misrule and celebrate the night of greatest darkness with a paean to the Stars! Greet the coming year with the exhiliration of the power cosmic! Do your part to usher in 1998 with a SpaceRock stylee. Pyramid Club, 101 Avenue A, between 6th/7th Nu York City, Dec 20th (Sat) festivities begin at 9pm! Pyramid: (212) 391 7722 In Space We Trust, Marc -- SpaceRock Central - featuring the extraordinary music of B0RN to G0 and Alien Planetscapes. (site in progress). "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 17 13:44:23 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:44:23 PST Subject: OFF: Kingdom Come, OFF: Farewell To Rush Message-ID: >Christian > >ObCD: Kingdom Come _Journey_ > No THERE'S a surprise from the archives. I have yet to speak with anyone on earth who has heard this LP. I thouhgt I was alone in still listening to it, owning all (heavy sighs, most anyway) of the others and having seen old Arthur live, and on his 50th birthday, no less, the very day upon which he met his 25 year old son _for the first time_ Rock'n'Roll eh? I reckon you can only get away with this man's kind of lunacy if Salvador Dali and various philosophers made a point of attending your Paris gigs. Chris. ObLP: Einsturzende Neubauten _Halber Mensch_ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Dec 17 13:56:50 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:56:50 -0500 Subject: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger Message-ID: >Stephen Lindsey wrote: >> As for his work with HW - Levitation I would have to say is his finest >> contribution. > > >Levitation is one of the greatest albums evr but it's not my favourite >cause of Baker's drumming. IMHO, his drumming was too weak and didn't >fit well HW music. (shrug). Levitation is my favorite HW album because of Baker's drumming, without it it would still be good, but not on the same level.... I hesitate to think what Levitation would have been with Danny Thompson's drumming, (shudder)... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Dec 17 13:56:45 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:56:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger Message-ID: >why he's the only drummer who ever should be allowed more than three minutes >of drum solo, because he can actually think of variations to last 17 mins. Well, we could drag the Rush thread into this thread .... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 17 14:18:08 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:18:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger In-Reply-To: <199712171856.NAA28718@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: At 13:56 17.12.97 -0500, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >(shrug). Levitation is my favorite HW album because of Baker's drumming, >without it it would still be good, but not on the same level.... I >hesitate to think what Levitation would have been with Danny Thompson's >drumming, (shudder)... No shit...! That album has a rock hard SPINE! Levitation: chuggachuggachugga!! Thompson would have butchered the material. I mean, he's cool for the sleazy HM of the mid 80's and all, but, eh, NOT Levitation: "I got Levitation Levitation Levitation! (suddenly drums!:) thud, thud, thud - bash." Christian From John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM Wed Dec 17 15:22:51 1997 From: John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM (John McCartney) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:22:51 -0800 Subject: More best of 1997 Message-ID: Ok, I'm going to weigh in on a slightly different slant... some of my '97 faves: Fish - Sunsets on Empire Lorena McKennit - The Book of Secrets IQ - Subterranea Christopher Franke - Babylon 5: Messages From Earth Marillion - Script For A Jester's Tear remaster (with a 2nd disc of material) King Crimson - Epitaph Spocks Beard - Beware of Darkness (yeah, this is *technically* a '96 release...) Dead Can Dance - Spiritchaser Anekdoten - Live EP Genesis - Calling All Stations (NOT!) :) live show of the year - Fish w/Mastermind, Hayward (California) 2nd to last show of his first US tour, bloody amazing. scorch From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Dec 16 16:01:19 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:01:19 +0000 Subject: HW: New comps In-Reply-To: <971217080402.20246029@pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: At 08:04 17/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >>From: Kevin Sommers > >>I just picked up a 4-CD set called "Amberdelic Space II: Angel of = >>Ecstacy". I believe it's a Cleopatra release, although mine is made in = >>England, by Dressed To Kill, catalog number CLP 0167-2. Disc Two starts = >>off with Hawkwind doing the live "Do Not Panic" version of Space Chase. = >>It's not a bad collection, although Space Chase's heaviness is a bit out = >>of place here. > >I don't think that's a Cleopatra release; it's just that Dressed To Kill >likes to license stuff from other labels and Cleopatra is easy. I passed >on that one after getting burned by another Dressed To Kill compilation: >_Stilletto Vamp: A Goth Masterpiece_. Two of the selections were the >Sisters doing "Temple of Love" and the Crue doing "Love Cats". I figured >the Crue was just a typo, but no, it really was a different band doing >the Cure song, and the Sisters were not the Sisters of Mercy. And there >wasn't that much Goth all together. Definately did not live up to the >packaging. > >John McIntyre >Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept >Michigan State University >mcintyre at pa.msu.edu > I have the first "Amberdelic Space" set, and it's a pretty good selection ofambient/electro/techno-lite, especially as a 4-CD set for less money than a full price single CD album. DTKs "industrial Virus" set was also a pretty good buy (for me, at least). ChrisW P.S. Those of you in striking distance of Kingston upon Thames may like to know that Tower Records has reopened in part with a massive clearance sale (Mid-refurbishment). I don't know how long it's on for, but I picked up a stack of goodies today, and would have bought more if I didn't have to buy the kids Xmas prezzies.... NPCDSingle: Shamen/Heal ============================= Chris Warburton, 7 Godstone Road Kenley Surrey CR8 5AG Home phone: 0181 668 4946 Mobile: 0958 754169 ============================ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 17 16:14:12 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:14:12 +0100 Subject: More Best of 1997 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon writes: >Disagree. It's been a great year for new releases. A lot of bands I've >been into for years are now the mainstream. Q's cover discs are no >longer Hothouse Flowers and Sheryl Crow, but are Prodge, Radiohead, >Verve etc. Maybe there is no underground anymore. There is no underground if you read Q, you are right there! Radiohead or The Verve etc. were not even really "underground" 5 years ago IMO... more like "those British 'indie' bands that NME and MM write about all the time"... occasionally I get Ptolemaic Terrascope, which is a great UG music source... or WIRE... Mojo I also buy occasionally... >Highlights... > >Spiritualized _ Ladies And Gentlemen, We Are Floating In Space >Primal Scream - Vanishing Point and Echo Dek >HW - 1999 & DH >Chemical Brothers - Drill Your Own Hole >Radiohead - OK Computer >Supergrass - In it For the Money >Bentley Rythm Ace - S/T >Photek - Modus Operandi >Verve - Urban Hymns >Charlatans - Telling Stories >Cornershop - When I was Born For The 7th Time >Prodigy - Fat Of The Land >Foo Fighters - Colour and Shape >Lee Scratch Perry Box Set Hmm.. all these bands save 4 (3 if I don't count Foo Fighters as Nirvana) were regular NME/MM material last time I read those 5 years ago... Hawkwind are of course exempt from that calculation... I mean... Charlatans? The Stone Roses clone-band with one or two good pop songs on "Some Friendly"?? The band with the keyboard player who robbed the post office? Why the hell haven't they split like the rest of that crop, eh??!! Or more recent britpop fluffheads Supergrass... I'll admit to being charmed by their first one, fun throwaway rockin 60s pop...ok... but, beyond that...?? Foo Fighters... eh... that video sucks! Huh.. huhuh... huh... (at least ex Germ, Pat Smear, found a job that pays...?). I guess there are alot worse things than Foo Fighters but they are not excactly breaking ground either..? Prodigy... sigh... that Psycho-Clown trend... ("Clownwave"!?? Along with Marilyn Manson and Psycho Killah Klown Posse... (or whatever!)) Radiohead... I don't get it here... there's all the talk that they are so fresh and innovative though I hear nothing I haven't really heard before... some agreeably nice tunes though? I'd give thumbs up for Chemical Bros though, even if I don't own any of their stuff. Rockin/dancey/innovative all at once if nothing else. I kinda like this Bentley's Rhytm Ace track on this freebie compilation I have... >Big Bummer - Dinasaur Jr. split. Oh, c'mon, they/he ceased being a real band years ago anyway and had just been treading MTV waters in vain ever since the Brief Grunge Age flooded all those bands up the charts, and letting most get washed so far back down on their asses they never got back up... I mean, J. Mascis playing golf to a slow booooring song >sigh >pretty obvious stuff for me thses days. No more dodgy noise merchants >making "difficult" music for me, middle age I guess.... What next? Phil Collins? Sting? eh? You better find some way to get high without keelin' over! Or sumptin' to save you from "Dad rock" Hell in 10 years! :)) >Interpreter was 1996 otherwise I'd have ranked it too! Hmm. Oh shit, how weird. I was COMPLETELY unaware of it till this last summer and bought it then assuming it was new! Strangely enough, the OP8 CDS was one of a bunch I won in a dodgy Julian Cope radio contest!! (probably the only (lousy) entry - via email...!) Christian PS, Jon: I knew all along about Grant Morrison's muse(s) (meeses??) - it's not like it hasn't been obvious the past decade or more!!!! :) From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 17 16:21:14 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:21:14 +0100 Subject: OFF:Faves of 1997 In-Reply-To: <01BD0A70.667991A0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 22:16 16.12.97 -0000, Andy Gilham wrote: >Spooky - I just got the OP8 album (_Slush_) yesterday, great sultry stuff. > They're Giant Sand, of course. Sultry!! THAT's the word! Would fit nicely into a Tarantino flick... Are they Giant Sand? Heard good things about Giant Sand! >My fave of 97 - really has to be _Lower Yourself_ by the New Christs! Does >it fucking rock out or what! Don't ask me man! Are they the Aussie punk band? BTW, on the reissue front I forgot to add the surprisingly GREAT remix/remaster of Iggy & The Stooges / Raw Power! Does THAT fuckin rock out or what!!! As Iggy sez: everything is in the red... still, hard to fix such a fucked up recording in the first place (which of course is part of its skanky glam-junkie-death-rock charm!!) Christian From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Dec 17 15:25:33 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:25:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour progs! In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971216210809.02f7f018@online.no> Message-ID: Hi Tourprogram Year ==================== Space Ritual 1972 Winter 1974-1975 1974 Astounding Tour 1976 Quark Tour 1977 Hawklords Tour 1978 Winter 1979 1979 Levitation Tour 1980 Glastonbury 1981 Sonic Attac Tour 1981 Monemore Festival 1982 Choose Your M Tour 1982 Monsters Of Rock 1982 Earth Ritual Tour 1984 Live Chronicles Tour 1985 Reading Festival 1986 Mad Docs Lab Tour 1988 Langtree Festival 1996 cu Bernhard From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Dec 17 17:24:10 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:24:10 -0500 Subject: tBS: Ithaca Message-ID: >Thought I'd pick it up at the gig. At the Elmira gig they didn't >have any yet, though Al said they'd be getting them any time now... Malpractise orders have gone out this week. We will have the CDs at the Ithaca show. Al From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 17 17:37:02 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:37:02 -0000 Subject: OFF:Faves of 1997 Message-ID: On Wednesday, December 17, 1997 9:21 PM, cannibal at CUTEY.COM [SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] wrote: > At 22:16 16.12.97 -0000, Andy Gilham wrote: > > >Spooky - I just got the OP8 album (_Slush_) yesterday, great sultry > >stuff. > > They're Giant Sand, of course. > > Sultry!! THAT's the word! Would fit nicely into a Tarantino flick... > Are they Giant Sand? Heard good things about Giant Sand! Yeah, Howe Gelb and his weird friends from out in the desert somewhere. I've seen them about 4 or 5 times and they've never played the same song twice - and they've also varied from being seriously mind-shaggingly brilliant, to so crap I left half-way through! Recordings are just as variable, but if you see the "Giant Songs" comp it's a good place to start. Or the "Long Stem Rant" album for that matter. > >My fave of 97 - really has to be _Lower Yourself_ by the New Christs! > > Does > >it fucking rock out or what! > > Don't ask me man! Are they the Aussie punk band? Rob Younger from Birdman and his latest line-up. Rob has described himself as an "ancient sod" but it's a hot young band. Anyway it does! > > BTW, on the reissue front I forgot to add the surprisingly GREAT > remix/remaster > of Iggy & The Stooges / Raw Power! Does THAT fuckin rock out or what!!! > As Iggy sez: everything is in the red... still, hard to fix such a fucked > up recording in the first place (which of course is part of its skanky > glam-junkie-death-rock charm!!) Oh yes, that's been getting an awful lot of play here lately too! Along with the New Race remaster (Birdman/Stooges/MC5 hybrid, live in Oz in 81 and kicking serious butt). And the more mellow reissue playing here right now, Turner's "Xitintoday". (Bugger me, that was on topic!) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From kg at THING.DE Wed Dec 17 18:01:58 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:01:58 +0100 Subject: Off: Rush Message-ID: alright, alright, alright... oh my GOOOOOD, I thought I don't have to get involved in this...seems now I have to... plain honest: there's hardly any band I could care less about than Rush. I don't think they suck. I don't like them very much. I don't know ANY of their latest records. I almost never listen to them these days, though I still have one or two albums of them from OOOOOOOLD days....'nuff Xcuses????? (but hey, chris, they CERTAINLY suck MUCH less than Queen or Quo, RIGHT?????????????) BUT!!!! - now listen CHRISTIAN: Victor is indeed something very different from Rush. Now....I know that poor Kenneth is a what you might call die-hard Rush fan beyond the point of absolutely no hope or return - but when he sent me a copy of Victor's album I just couldn't believe that ANYONE of Rush could be involved in this. Not that all the tracks are super-duper-killer-songs - but the title track itself justifies the effort alone. Really strange, weird, moody, tense - you name it. anyway - after all, I am VERY glad that The Moor DON'T sound like Rush at all - at least not to me. that's far more important to me. over to the bashing debate..... k. ps: why don't all of you just save all your christmas money and hop over to the MOOR's / Nik Turner / k.g. tour??? - now THAT could result in a truly interesting bashing - re-bashing thread!!! and by the way: the most fantastic group on EARTH remains - of course: COIL. (no, not HW, no, not Calvert.) and that's all I have to say on the subject! From kg at THING.DE Wed Dec 17 18:18:43 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:18:43 +0100 Subject: Off: Rush Message-ID: well NOW HERE'S AN INTERESTING PS on the Rush subject - found a minute after I sent my last mail thanks to you CHRIS, I am quite into Voivod since a few days / weeks...honest! just had a look at a page including an interview with Voivod's drummer AWAY - now read this excerpt: Q: Coolest memory in VOIVOD history? A: -We toured with Rush in 1990 for the Nothinface album. Meeting those guys is one of the highlights of my career, since they had such an important input on the direction we took as a Sci-fi metal band. HA!!!!! knut From hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET Wed Dec 17 18:53:10 1997 From: hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET (Jerome Kekatos) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:53:10 -0600 Subject: Fw: OFF: Kingdom Come, Message-ID: >>ObCD: Kingdom Come _Journey_ >> > >No THERE'S a surprise from the archives. I have yet to speak with >anyone on earth who has heard this LP. I thouhgt I was alone in still >listening to it, owning all (heavy sighs, most anyway) of the others > >Chris. Aah but the clientel of this list are as they say "very special". I'm sure that I'm the only one in Alabama with Arthur's LPs... And do you have Adrian Wagner's Distances Between Us with Calvert doing a moog and arp version of Steppinwolf....? Fire, very scary indeed. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 17 18:54:15 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:54:15 +0100 Subject: Off: Rush & Knut etc. In-Reply-To: <34985DD3.5648D899@thing.de> Message-ID: At 00:18 18.12.97 +0100, knuttGGGwerss wrote: >Q: Coolest memory in VOIVOD history? > >A: -We toured with Rush in 1990 for the Nothinface album. Meeting >those guys is one of the highlights of my career, since they had such >an important input on the direction we took as a Sci-fi metal band. > >HA!!!!! Double Ha! I knew that - of course, every Canadian band look up to Rush and it's not so strange, really. So what if their influences suck man! Sure, Rush at least had the sci-fi thing going, but sci-fi does not = good. Especially when it's some Ayn Rand induced political fog. And Voivod have the sense to stay clear of that nonsense, thank God. As for Queen & Quo vs. Rush: NO WAY!! QUEEN were far more inventive and had a much more varied and smart unflunces of past musical history as well as oodles of panache, and an uncanny pop sensibility! Though I don't listen to them anymore, I was a big childhood fan! As for Status Quo, well, ok maybe Rush are better if we exclude Quo's pseudo psych toytown drivel tune "Pictures Of Matchstick Men" - that song outweighs the ENTIRE Rush back catalog in every aspect imaginable (IMHO of c.), but I think they were known as the Spectres at the time so YOU WIN! Hope that helps you sleep better tonight! Coil, OK, yeah, what I've heard so far (Horse Rotovator and Gold is The Metal), is definetly interesting. Their track on the Succour comp is excellent! But as you should know by now, Hawkwind are the greatest band ever! jeez, get up to date!! Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 17 19:00:13 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 01:00:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: Kingdom Come, In-Reply-To: <01bd0b46$edc26c00$LocalHost@hawkwind> Message-ID: At 17:53 17.12.97 -0600, you wrote: >>>ObCD: Kingdom Come _Journey_ >Aah but the clientel of this list are as they say "very special". Yeah, that's what they kept telling my parents: "Well, he's SPECIAL, you know, nothing WRONG with that - he may be a little slow but we like to use the word "SPECIAL" better" As for that CD (remaster w/bonus tracks!) I picked it up cheap on impulse because I've wanted to hear the post Crazy World stuff, and it totally clicks the right switches in my head... kzzzt... cosmic goth-prog spacerock - my favorite genre! The CD looked like it had lingered for years in th shop just waiting for me.... >And do you have Adrian Wagner's Distances Between Us with Calvert doing a >moog and arp version of Steppinwolf....? Brown was also on Song Of The Gremlin on Calvert's Lockheed album of course. >Fire, very scary indeed. You get used to it- Christian ObLetMeInIt'sColdOutHere: I gotta sin to get in! From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 17 19:03:24 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 01:03:24 +0100 Subject: Off: Queen's "Unflunces" (Rush & Knut etc.) In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971218005415.0308f8f8@online.no> Message-ID: Unflunces are the little uncooked cores inside half cooked spaghetti tediously picked out by hand. Smart Unflunces are the ones who get away with the aglets. Christian From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Wed Dec 17 19:22:13 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (Damon C Capehart) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:22:13 -0600 Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? Message-ID: Horse Whisperer writes: >Your initial post didn't make it clear what you drew from the original >posting, and I think me and the others picked up on a different angle. >This doesn't mean we didn't read yours. Understood... Apologies for (once again) not making it clear what I meant to say. Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Wed Dec 17 19:33:26 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (Damon C Capehart) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:33:26 -0600 Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? Message-ID: Theo wrote: >Damon wrote: >> "Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and >> many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and >> destruction. For THE LOVE OF MONEY IS A ROOT OF ALL >> SORTS OF EVIL, and some by longing for it have wandered away >> from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." - 1st >> Timothy 6:9-10 (New Amer. Standard, emphasis mine). > >If this is so, then why do the pope, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham, >etc., etc. live like kings, while Christ said to sell all one's >possessions and give the money to the poor? I don't know... perhaps because part of human nature is to occasionally (or perpetually) do the opposite of what we should know is right? Because most of us have trouble seeing beyond the immediate? The possible answers are aplenty. As far as I'm concerned, if God (or whoever) decides to take everything I own from me, I'll survive with Eternity in mind. Yeah, I'll be upset at first, but hey, it's just STUFF. And that's quite the point of all of this hubbub. Life is here for a few decades, and then *poof*, it's gone, and what do you get to take with you? Nothing but a nekkid soul. Well, my fiancee just got here. Gotta go! Damon From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 17 19:38:48 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 01:38:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? Message-ID: >Well, my fiancee just got here. Gotta go! >Damon > Gotta come? ;-) - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Dec 17 19:47:34 1997 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas Pearson) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:47:34 -0800 Subject: OFF: Kingdom Come, Message-ID: Chris sed: >At 17:53 17.12.97 -0600, you wrote: >>>>ObCD: Kingdom Come _Journey_ Isn't this actually "on-topic"? I don't have the album, but I thought the drummer was Dracken Theaker, who later played with Pete Pavli in Michael Moorcock's Deep Fix (see HWF&R vols.1 & 3) ... >As for that CD (remaster w/bonus tracks!) I picked it up cheap on impulse >because I've wanted to hear the post Crazy World stuff, and it totally >clicks the right switches in my head... kzzzt... cosmic goth-prog spacerock >- my favorite genre! The CD looked like it had lingered for years in th shop >just waiting for me.... > >>And do you have Adrian Wagner's Distances Between Us with Calvert doing a >>moog and arp version of Steppinwolf....? Very cool version - completely different from the later Hawkwind one. It reminds me of Calvert's later mininalist/synth/sequence stuff ('Hype', 'Test-Tube Conceived'), but without the catchy melodies that Bob would write - instead, just haunting electronics. >Brown was also on Song Of The Gremlin on Calvert's Lockheed album of >course. ... even more on-topic! -Doug ceres at sirius.com ObCD Metal Urbain _L'Age D'Or_ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Dec 17 20:09:53 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:09:53 -0500 Subject: HW: Kollector alert Message-ID: Hi Folks... I saw this posting on a.m.p. today. Thought one of you (or more) might be interested. BTW, the name 'Toshi' is familiar...was he once a listmember??? Keith H. (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: "Toshi Okada" Subject: FS rare Jpn Hawkwind 7" Date: 17 Dec 1997 14:49:40 GMT Dear serious Hawkwind collector!! Available Now Hawkwind Silver Machine rare Jpn 7" W/PS M/M US$85(inclP&P) Toshikazu Okada 2-15-13, kudo, Oji-cho, Nara-ken, zip636, Japan E-mail okadazzz at osk0.attnet.or.jp ALL THE BEST Toshi Wants Lists welcome!! Jpn LP, 7"/LP, CD OK!! From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 17 22:16:43 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 04:16:43 +0100 Subject: HW: http://www.hawkwind.com/ Message-ID: Anyone who knows why StarRats site isn't running? ( http://www.hawkwind.com/ ) It has been quiet for a while now. - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Wed Dec 17 23:16:01 1997 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:16:01 -0700 Subject: More best of 1997 Message-ID: >Marc Power wrote: > >> My vote, >> >> STRANGE DAZE 97 > >seconded. rj And thirded... (Here's to the next..) Kevin Sommers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: record.wav Type: audio/wav Size: 550276 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Dec 17 23:32:35 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 05:32:35 +0100 Subject: More best of 1997 Message-ID: > >And thirded... >(Here's to the next..) > >Kevin Sommers > >Attachment Converted: C:\TEMP\record.wav > That was a fantastic sound Kevin! Thanx a lot! I give my vote for that file as the best of '97! :-) - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 18 00:49:13 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 06:49:13 +0100 Subject: HW: http://www.hawkwind.com/ In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971218031643.00983e2c@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: At 04:16 18.12.97 +0100, you wrote: >Anyone who knows why StarRats site isn't running? >( http://www.hawkwind.com/ ) >It has been quiet for a while now. > > - Daniel Mystery: somebody on BOC-L killed StarRats!! Main supects you know who you are! Christian ObZZZZZ: argh... From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Dec 18 04:35:23 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:35:23 +0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger In-Reply-To: <199712171436.JAA02793@dogberry> Message-ID: In article <199712171436.JAA02793 at dogberry>, Stephen Lindsey writes >A tip, theres a video of Cream partly last concert at Albert Hall, partly >interviews, Ginger is at his drumkit showing a few sample rolls, >he thinks hes doing nothing special, I defy anybody else to be left >anything but speechless by >his apparent totally independent control of all four limbs. I did write a *very* long reply to this, but then thought better of sending it. There's enough trashing of musicians without me adding to it. I will say this though, ability is really not the point. Otherwise, I wouldn't be listening to HW, I'd be listening to the eternal twiddling of Satriani or Vai. Hendrix was a genius because of what he had to say. It was what he was expressing, the fact that he could express himself brilliantly is secondary to his message. What is Ginger's message? His control is indeed fantastic. I have seen Chinese jugglers do *seven* clubs. Amazing, but they didn't rock either. Hell, they didn't even swing. Over-emphasis on virtuosity is a mistake. This is why we fought the Punk Rock wars of '77. > >As for his work with HW - Levitation I would have to say is his finest >contribution. No arguements there :) -- Jon From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Thu Dec 18 07:25:14 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:25:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger Message-ID: Levitation has got to be my favorite HW studio album. Huw is brilliant on it and Ginger definitely adds a new dimension to the sound. As for Danny, I think his style suited the Black Sword era material really well, but it didn't sound that great on some of the older material (Assault & Battery, for example). I can imagine that he's great for Alan's new "Space Metal" project Bedouin. A few songs (pre-Danny stuff) I think sounded great live with Danny: -Magnu (the version on Live at Reading '86 just kills me) -Master of the Universe -Angels of Death -Arrival In Utopia (for some reason always referred to as "Utopia") All IMHO, of course... Cheers, Mr Ola P.S. I just came to think of the review of the *Live Chronicles* album in Kerrang in the fall of 1986. It got one (!) "K" out of five. And it's one of my favorite albums... Kerrang truly is a shitty mag. From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Dec 18 08:33:35 1997 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:33:35 +1000 Subject: HW: http://www.hawkwind.com/ Message-ID: On 18 Dec 97 at about 4:16, Daniel scribed: > Anyone who knows why StarRats site isn't running? > ( http://www.hawkwind.com/ ) > It has been quiet for a while now. I emailed Dale about it last weekend. He said that he knew what the problem was and that "the tech guys are fixing it" Sonique -- Australian Hawkwind Tour - Coming in '98!!!! Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! ____________________________________________________________________ The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Dec 18 08:33:35 1997 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:33:35 +1000 Subject: OFF: Kingdom Come, Message-ID: On 17 Dec 97 at about 16:47, Douglas scribed: > Chris sed: > > >At 17:53 17.12.97 -0600, you wrote: > >>>>ObCD: Kingdom Come _Journey_ > > Isn't this actually "on-topic"? I don't have the album, but I thought the > drummer was Dracken Theaker, who later played with Pete Pavli in Michael > Moorcock's Deep Fix (see HWF&R vols.1 & 3) ... And don't forget the Levitation bass-line in the last track on side 1 ("Gypsy" ?) .... Time Captives is a great track btw. Sonique obCD: 1999 Party - of Course! -- Australian Hawkwind Tour - Coming in '98!!!! Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! ____________________________________________________________________ The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Dec 18 06:48:51 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:48:51 +0000 Subject: More Best of 1997 In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971217221412.0308a628@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971217221412.0308a628 at online.no>, cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes >There is no underground if you read Q, you are right there! Radiohead >or The Verve etc. were not even really "underground" 5 years ago IMO... >more like "those British 'indie' bands that NME and MM write about all >the time" Alright, let me rephrase that. The bands that pass for underground these days are not original, not experimental, more often than not even entertaining and all of them want to be on Top Of The Pops. This is what I mean by no underground. No one rejects that machine anymore, they all want their 15 minutes. Saying that, I am very into British "indie" bands, like the NME write about, so no surprises there. When Blur got a single in the Top 20 5 or 6 years ago, it was quite a big deal that one of "our" bands had made it. It's nothing now, a big chunk of the charts is made up of stuff that wouldn't have got a look in the late 80's/early '90's. I'm not drawing any big conclusion, it just occurs to me on the plus side, there's actually some pretty good stuff in the charts these days (for the first time in my life) and on the downside, all the bands want to be pop stars rather than "Dropping Out, Turning On, Tuning In" or "Smashing The System in '77". That's the trouble with kids today, no one wants to smash the system anymore ;) >... occasionally I get Ptolemaic Terrascope, which is a great >UG music source... or WIRE... Mojo I also buy occasionally... Mojo rules. I would buy it every month if it was a hardback that cost ?15. > > >>Highlights... >> >>Spiritualized _ Ladies And Gentlemen, We Are Floating In Space >>Primal Scream - Vanishing Point and Echo Dek >>HW - 1999 & DH >>Chemical Brothers - Drill Your Own Hole >>Radiohead - OK Computer >>Supergrass - In it For the Money >>Bentley Rythm Ace - S/T >>Photek - Modus Operandi >>Verve - Urban Hymns >>Charlatans - Telling Stories >>Cornershop - When I was Born For The 7th Time >>Prodigy - Fat Of The Land >>Foo Fighters - Colour and Shape >>Lee Scratch Perry Box Set > >Hmm.. all these bands save 4 (3 if I don't count Foo Fighters as Nirvana) >were regular NME/MM material last time I read those 5 years ago... Yes, but no one bought them except NME readers, now they are mainstream. This is my point. I said they'd been around for years. > Hawkwind >are of course exempt from that calculation... I mean... Charlatans? >The Stone Roses clone-band with one or two good pop songs on "Some >Friendly"?? The band with the keyboard player who robbed the post office? >Why the hell haven't they split like the rest of that crop, eh??!! Yes, they are highly referential, though more to exactly the kind of '60's pop-psyche that I am so beloved off. They have a much better strike rate than the Roses (who were alright too) and all of their five albums are good day-time background music. They're not the greatest band in the world but they have their moments and they're good live too. >The band with the keyboard player who robbed the post office? The late Rob Collins did not rob a post office. He was driving a "mate" home from the pub when they stopped for petrol. His "mate" went to pay for the gas while Rob stayed in the car. Next thing the idiot comes running out shouting "Drive!" He'd basically decided to stick his hand in the till on the spur off the moment. No doubt, Chris, you would not have driven off saying "What have you done, you stupid c**t!!" but would have pulled the vehicle over and said "No, lad, it's straight to the police for you, my former amigo!" Yes, it was dumb, but you can see how a situation like that can happen. (well, to someone else at least!) Anyway, He did a year in prison instead of touring their #1 album round Thailand. He rejoined the band for a year then went through the windscreen. Poor Sod, I think. >Why the hell haven't they split like the rest of that crop, eh??!! Because a) People like them, attend gigs and buy records. b) Possibly having to go through that much shit makes you a bit more resiliant. They're not thickheads like a lot of their contemporaries and they are stayers. > >Or more recent britpop fluffheads Supergrass... I'll admit to being charmed >by their first one, fun throwaway rockin 60s pop...ok... but, beyond that...?? Beyond that, their equally good second album. More fun throwaway rockin' 60's pop please, sir! In a recent interview, they said that at least three of the tracks on the new album are swipes of Gong's "Oily Way". You gotta love 'em! >Foo Fighters... eh... that video sucks! Huh.. huhuh... huh... (at least ex >Germ, Pat Smear, found a job that pays...?). I guess there are alot worse >things than Foo Fighters but they are not excactly breaking ground either..? No, Beavis, but they do rock, don't they? Heh heh! (Ain't seen no video) > >Prodigy... sigh... that Psycho-Clown trend... ("Clownwave"!?? Along with >Marilyn Manson and Psycho Killah Klown Posse... (or whatever!)) Prodigy are fan-fuckin-tastic live! Again, they've been around wot?, 8 years, they've been dead good all that time. So Keith (who, yes, is a plank) is going through a bit of a dodgy image phase at the moment. So? Prodigy is Liam Howlett and the strength of Firestarter is unarguable. > >Radiohead... I don't get it here... there's all the talk that they >are so fresh and innovative though I hear nothing I haven't really >heard before... some agreeably nice tunes though? No, there's nothing more to it than that, agreeably nice tunes work for me. I like Radiohead for the same reason I like Porcupine Tree. Agreeably nice tunes. > >I'd give thumbs up for Chemical Bros though, even if I don't own >any of their stuff. Rockin/dancey/innovative all at once if nothing >else. BUY THEM ALL. > >I kinda like this Bentley's Rhytm Ace track on this freebie compilation I >have... BUY IT TOO. > >>Big Bummer - Dinasaur Jr. split. > >Oh, c'mon, they/he ceased being a real band years ago anyway and had just been >treading MTV waters in vain ever since the Brief Grunge Age flooded all those >bands up the charts, and letting most get washed so far back down on their >asses they never got back up... I mean, J. Mascis playing golf to a slow >booooring song >sighMassachusetts.)># J.Mascis is the most influencial guitarist of his generation and you can lay grunge entirely at his door. No Dinosaur, No Nirvana, Tad, Mudhoney etc Disappearing up your own ass happens to the best of us. I have been up mine now for years. He has a great soul voice and his understated guitar is masterly. He is still playing nifty lead breaks in an age where no one bothers to actually learn how to play. He's Cool, Beavis. "Feel The Pain" is not a boooring song, and people got HURT making that video! >> >>pretty obvious stuff for me thses days. No more dodgy noise merchants >>making "difficult" music for me, middle age I guess.... > >What next? Phil Collins? Sting? eh? You better find some way to get >high without keelin' over! Oh there are still several ways..... >Or sumptin' to save you from "Dad rock" Hell >in 10 years! :)) I am just beginning to get philosphical about this. After all, what is worse, an old fart or an old fart still dressing like a teenager and thinking he's down with the kids. I stopped wearing my baseball cap backward last summer ;-) But as for the Live Aid Brigade, c'mon!!!?! For about 15 years all I could listen to was Cardiacs, Swans, Foetus, Throbbing Gristle, Einsturzende Neubaten etc. I respect what these guys do, but I just want to listen to indie-pop-dance-bubblegum-psyche and Hawkwind, these days. Especially Hawkwind. I can't hack difficult music anymore, I just find it too wearying. Agreeably Nice Songs now please. Porcupine Tree, mmm, nice. > >>Interpreter was 1996 otherwise I'd have ranked it too! > > Julian Cope. Agreeably nice *and* socially confrontational! Peggy Suicide is one of the greatest albums ever recorded. >PS, Jon: I knew all along about Grant Morrison's muse(s) (meeses??) >- it's not like it hasn't been obvious the past decade or more!!!! :) No, you misunderstand me. It actually *was* Grants' *I* did. He gave it to me. ;) -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Dec 18 07:32:38 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:32:38 +0000 Subject: Off: Rush & Knut etc. In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971218005415.0308f8f8@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971218005415.0308f8f8 at online.no>, cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes > >NO WAY!! QUEEN were far more inventive and >had a much more varied and smart unflunces of past musical history as well >as oodles of panache, and an uncanny pop sensibility! And you actually have the temerity to cast aspersions on my musical taste?!?! :) Well, Sting and Phil Collins to you! -- Jon From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 18 08:29:58 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 05:29:58 PST Subject: Fw: OFF: Kingdom Come, Message-ID: > >Aah but the clientel of this list are as they say "very special". and what would we do for ennertaynmen' without these _special poeople_???!!! >I'm sure that I'm the only one in Alabama with Arthur's LPs... Arthur lives in Austin, TX, and works as a fully qualified musical therapist! Beats being a house painter. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 18 08:45:34 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 05:45:34 PST Subject: OFF: Kingdom Come, Message-ID: >Chris sed: > >>At 17:53 17.12.97 -0600, you wrote: >>>>>ObCD: Kingdom Come _Journey_ > >Isn't this actually "on-topic"? I don't have the album, but I thought the >drummer was Dracken Theaker, who later played with Pete Pavli in Michael >Moorcock's Deep Fix (see HWF&R vols.1 & 3) ... Close, but no cigar - Dracken had a 'breakdown' near the end of the Crazy World of Arthur Brown tour, brought on by drugs, drink, constant gigging and the fact that the tour had lasted 3 years, had covered most of the world and was getting them nowhere. When the Crazy World split up, Vince Crane (RIP) formed Atomic Rooster, and Arthur nicked off back to England. After about 18 months he'd formed Kingdom Come. The first 2 LP's _Galactic Zoo Dossier_ and _Kingdom Come_ had full band line-ups, but the third (and perhaps finest LP ever) _Journey_ featured bass, guitar, VC3, vocals and a Bentley drum machine. This was (apparently) the first album to use a beat-box properly and not just for FX. Trivia McNut. (Chris). ObCD: Einsturzende Neubauten _Five on an Open Ended Richterscale_ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Dec 18 08:45:38 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 07:45:38 -0600 Subject: Off: Rush Bashing - GET THEO! Message-ID: Theo, you subversive. Just look what you've started! (Hehehehe) We are approaching meltdown on this thread...grrrrrr... somebody should liberate your car so you can't catch the tBS gig...that would be a suitable punishement. Admit it though, if you saw Rush in the early 70's you thought "no way will they ever be bigger than BOC?" Wonder how many Rush detractors on this list know this to be the truth? L8er lil ab OBCD - Masquerade, Surface of Pain From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Dec 18 09:27:01 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:27:01 -0500 Subject: HW: http://www.hawkwind.com/ Message-ID: >Mystery: somebody on BOC-L killed StarRats!! > >Main supects you know who you are! Suspects: 1. Steve Swann - if all else fails, blame Steve Swann. 2. R.O.D.S. - perhaps he was standing too close to Doug Smith. 3. Moose - Vacationing in Sweden, he failed to heed warnings about not feeding the dangerous Moose. 4. Paul Ward - well, the Assassin's guild insists you assassinate someone every five years or so or you lose your membership. 5. Christian - It's always the one who reports the murder who's the first suspect. any others? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 18 09:33:00 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:33:00 GMT Subject: HW: Tour progs! In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:25:33 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: Eh? Wasn't there another tour programme between the Warrior one and the Astounding one? I'd heard that it came in four different colours. FoFP > Hi > > Tourprogram Year > ==================== > Space Ritual 1972 > Winter 1974-1975 1974 > Astounding Tour 1976 > Quark Tour 1977 > Hawklords Tour 1978 > Winter 1979 1979 > Levitation Tour 1980 > Glastonbury 1981 > Sonic Attac Tour 1981 > Monemore Festival 1982 > Choose Your M Tour 1982 > Monsters Of Rock 1982 > Earth Ritual Tour 1984 > Live Chronicles Tour 1985 > Reading Festival 1986 > Mad Docs Lab Tour 1988 > Langtree Festival 1996 > > cu > Bernhard > From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Thu Dec 18 09:53:24 1997 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:53:24 +0200 Subject: HW: http://www.hawkwind.com/ In-Reply-To: <199712181427.JAA18295@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: grumpy wrote: > >Mystery: somebody on BOC-L killed StarRats!! > > > >Main supects you know who you are! > > Suspects: > > 1. Steve Swann - if all else fails, blame Steve Swann. > > 2. R.O.D.S. - perhaps he was standing too close to Doug Smith. > > 3. Moose - Vacationing in Sweden, he failed to heed warnings about not > feeding the dangerous Moose. > > 4. Paul Ward - well, the Assassin's guild insists you assassinate > someone every > five years or so or you lose your membership. > > 5. Christian - It's always the one who reports the murder who's the first > suspect. > > any others? Number one bass killer is still active,.... - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Thu Dec 18 10:16:53 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:16:53 -0500 Subject: HW: http://www.hawkwind.com/ Message-ID: grumpy wrote: > >Mystery: somebody on BOC-L killed StarRats!! > > > >Main supects you know who you are! > > Suspects: > > 1. Steve Swann - if all else fails, blame Steve Swann. > > 2. R.O.D.S. - perhaps he was standing too close to Doug Smith. > > 3. Moose - Vacationing in Sweden, he failed to heed warnings about not > feeding the dangerous Moose. > > 4. Paul Ward - well, the Assassin's guild insists you assassinate > someone every > five years or so or you lose your membership. > > 5. Christian - It's always the one who reports the murder who's the first > suspect. > > any others? I heard that Dave threw a fully loaded Sun Workstation at him onstage....... ;-) Steve L From micci at SCI.FI Thu Dec 18 11:09:21 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:09:21 +0200 Subject: HW: Kollector alert Message-ID: >Hi Folks... > >I saw this posting on a.m.p. today. Thought one of you (or more) might be >interested. > >BTW, the name 'Toshi' is familiar...was he once a listmember??? > >Keith H. (FAA) > Hi! I also saw this, but I also saw that somebody warning about this guy. >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >From: "Toshi Okada" >Subject: FS rare Jpn Hawkwind 7" >Date: 17 Dec 1997 14:49:40 GMT > >Dear serious Hawkwind collector!! > >Available Now >Hawkwind Silver Machine rare Jpn 7" W/PS M/M US$85(inclP&P) > >Toshikazu Okada 2-15-13, kudo, Oji-cho, Nara-ken, zip636, Japan >E-mail okadazzz at osk0.attnet.or.jp > > ALL THE BEST > Toshi >Wants Lists welcome!! Jpn LP, 7"/LP, CD OK!! > > Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 18 11:10:29 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:10:29 GMT Subject: OFF: Gigs to be rated? In-Reply-To: Damon C Capehart's message of Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:33:26 -0600 Message-ID: Damon C Capehart writes: > >If this is so, then why do the pope, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham, > >etc., etc. live like kings, while Christ said to sell all one's > >possessions and give the money to the poor? > > I don't know... perhaps because part of human nature is to occasionally (or > perpetually) do the opposite of what we should know is right? Because most > of us have trouble seeing beyond the immediate? The possible answers are > aplenty. That seems to be more an American phenomenon. There does seem to be an ethic of "If you;re sufficiently devout, God will reward you with riches" around. I think that's why the tele-evangelist movement never really caught on in europe. To us a lot of it looks like triteness mixed with naked greed. > As far as I'm concerned, if God (or whoever) decides to take everything I > own from me, I'll survive with Eternity in mind. Yeah, I'll be upset at > first, but hey, it's just STUFF. And that's quite the point of all of this > hubbub. Life is here for a few decades, and then *poof*, it's gone, and > what do you get to take with you? Nothing but a nekkid soul. Hey, I'm gonna be downloafded. Mike "Heads" Holmes From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 18 11:12:13 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:12:13 GMT Subject: Kollector alert - the Kollection marches on. In-Reply-To: Keith Henderson's message of Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:09:53 -0500 Message-ID: Keith Henderson writes: > Hi Folks... > > I saw this posting on a.m.p. today. Thought one of you (or more) might be > interested. > > BTW, the name 'Toshi' is familiar...was he once a listmember??? Not the same Toshi I suspect. Still, I've managed to nail a copy of the Japanese Doremi LP with the extra track from this one. Only the US Forces LP and the Hassan I Sabha singles to go.... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 18 11:16:14 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:16:14 GMT Subject: HW: Kollector alert In-Reply-To: Miikka Wagner's message of Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:09:21 +0200 Message-ID: Miikka Wagner writes: > >Hi Folks... > > > >I saw this posting on a.m.p. today. Thought one of you (or more) might be > >interested. > > > >BTW, the name 'Toshi' is familiar...was he once a listmember??? > > > >Keith H. (FAA) > > > > Hi! > > I also saw this, but I also saw that somebody warning about this guy. Huh? I've just sent 43 quid in cash to this guy. What's the warning? FoFP From micci at SCI.FI Thu Dec 18 11:40:13 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:40:13 +0200 Subject: HW: Kollector alert Message-ID: >> I also saw this, but I also saw that somebody warning about this guy. > >Huh? I've just sent 43 quid in cash to this guy. What's the warning? > >FoFP > This is only what I read, but there was something that he is very slow or even worse never send nothing. Let?s hope that he is actually good guy. Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 18 10:33:22 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:33:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour progs! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971217212533.007c4570@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsu rf.de> Message-ID: At 21:25 17.12.97 +0100, you wrote: >Hi > >Tourprogram Year >==================== thanks for the info! Christian b?bYkkhhhNanaNa: I Robot From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 18 11:47:38 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:47:38 +0100 Subject: More Best of 1997 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 11:48 18.12.97 +0000, Jon Browne wrote: >Alright, let me rephrase that. The bands that pass for underground these >days are not original, not experimental, more often than not even >entertaining and all of them want to be on Top Of The Pops. This is what >I mean by no underground. No, it is what you mean by NME/MM type bands...?? There certainly IS an "underground" and it most certainly is alive and kicking, from Terrastock to Strange Daze and everything going on outside the "mainstream"... (mainstream = everything NOT "underground"... "underground" = esoteric, obscure, original, unconventional, new, whatever...) NME/MM seem to be some odd hybrid trying to please both worlds by creating some artificial little clique or scene or something buried with hype and smartypants reviews)! Buggery! "passing for underground" is not the same as being "underground" - it's just another layer between the two. > No one rejects that machine anymore, they all >want their 15 minutes. NO ONE? NOT A SINGLE BAND!?? Wait! Which parallell are you hyperspacing in..? I'm calling in the ketamine police to investigate this... wait, here's a pair of 3D glasses... hmm... I see... we'll talk about _this_ later! > Saying that, I am very into British "indie" >bands, like the NME write about, so no surprises there. When Blur got a >single in the Top 20 5 or 6 years ago, it was quite a big deal that one >of "our" bands had made it. Yeah, I was into that stuff at the time - I have their first 2 CDs (sold the Popscene EP recently for 25 bucks! Ha!) and I remember it was cool, sure, it was more innocent like the "grunge" thing happening simultaenously - it was like, "hey - neat bands are gonna be popular again" and whatnot. So, OK, alot of them are now, but it's funny how it's all streamlined into the machine (ESPECIALLY in USA!), and I'm gonna be laughing my ass off when I pick up the soon to be released Monster Magnet CD (don't ask me why at the time because I may just say something incoherent!). I thought I'd heard it all when a couple of years ago they and Melvins were played back to back on mainstream US radio!! Now? I am hoping both bands use the money they made off those hits to take even more chances with their music rather than wanting more money NOW. (of course similar examples of the british situation exist). When all those bands broke big, 90% of them *revealed themselves* as phoneys and "pop stars" with no balls (Nirvana were an interesting exception of course...), and it kinda grossed me out. It grossed me out seeing kids "goin' grunge" overnight - like, from VAPID to 2xVAPID just with more expensive clothes... I don't know what happened, I just delved back into all the 60s/70s stuff I "found" on my own in high school (in the late 80s) and expanded from there until reaching a very different "present day" than what I see in NME or on MTV :). "We're coming up again, we're coming up again" 'Watching The Grass Grow' - ICU >It's nothing now, a big chunk of the charts >is made up of stuff that wouldn't have got a look in the late 80's/early >'90's. I'm not drawing any big conclusion, it just occurs to me on the >plus side, there's actually some pretty good stuff in the charts these >days (for the first time in my life) Agreed - it's just, as you point out below... > and on the downside, all the bands >want to be pop stars rather than "Dropping Out, Turning On, Tuning In" >or "Smashing The System in '77". That's the trouble with kids today, no >one wants to smash the system anymore ;) ... which is why I don't understand attitudes of many people my own age: content with what's on the plate because its the only one they see on the table.... (boy, do I hate them well adjusted folks! :)) (...hmmm, where did those 3D glasses go... ah, there they are...) >Mojo rules. I would buy it every month if it was a hardback that cost >?15. Wow! that's a pretty devoted reader they are very lucky to have!!!! > >Yes, but no one bought them except NME readers, now they are mainstream. >This is my point. I said they'd been around for years. And I thought the NME were sorta mainstream... ok, "alternative" whatever that means, but not "underground" IMO. Your point is good, but it only makes 100% sense if NME/MM were the ONLY source/outlet for UG culture - which they certainly are not!!! >The late Rob Collins did not rob a post office.... rejoined the band for a year then went through the >windscreen. Poor Sod, I think. Bummer! >Because a) People like them, attend gigs and buy records. hmm, this trend is lasting longer than we anticipated. Our people will start generating counter-trends ASAP. Where did I put those 3D glasses.... ah, there.... > b) Possibly having to go through that much shit makes you a bit >more resiliant. They're not thickheads like a lot of their >contemporaries and they are stayers. fair enough! >Beyond that, their equally good second album. More fun throwaway rockin' >60's pop please, sir! In a recent interview, they said that at least >three of the tracks on the new album are swipes of Gong's "Oily Way". >You gotta love 'em! they are ugly little lovable 60's popsters indeed! :) >No, Beavis, but they do rock, don't they? Heh heh! (Ain't seen no >video) Yeah they rock.. so what... ho-hum, rock on man... zzzzz... gimme danger!!!!! gimme death! gimme glory! ... just not "Grunge Again part II: The Grunge Sticks Around" (sub-subtitle "The Lalalalala Lyrics Years", a Harmless Rock'n'Roll Production guaranteed to keep your children from doing anything subversive! ["we are more mature artists now..."]) >Prodigy are fan-fuckin-tastic live! Again, they've been around wot?, 8 >years, they've been dead good all that time. So Keith (who, yes, is a >plank) is going through a bit of a dodgy image phase at the moment. So? >Prodigy is Liam Howlett and the strength of Firestarter is unarguable. Ok, true. Their early stuff was kinda spacy! They just annoy me now. >No, there's nothing more to it than that, agreeably nice tunes work for >me. I like Radiohead for the same reason I like Porcupine Tree. >Agreeably nice tunes. AH! Thanks for FINALLY dropping the clue that made me figure out just WHY I don't like PT very much at all!! But I hear their early stuff is more interesting... >J.Mascis is the most influencial guitarist of his generation and you can >lay grunge entirely at his door. No Dinosaur, No Nirvana, Tad, Mudhoney >etc Disappearing up your own ass happens to the best of us. I have >been up mine now for years. He has a great soul voice and his >understated guitar is masterly. He is still playing nifty lead breaks in >an age where no one bothers to actually learn how to play. He's Cool, >Beavis. "Feel The Pain" is not a boooring song, and people got HURT >making that video! ok, I am not doubting Mascis' abilities I just thought Dinosaur jr's time had come right on time :) Without HUSKER DU or SONIC YOUTH, no Dinosaur jr. >Oh there are still several ways..... Hmm, Grant drop by recently? >I am just beginning to get philosphical about this. After all, what is >worse, an old fart or an old fart still dressing like a teenager and >thinking he's down with the kids. I stopped wearing my baseball cap >backward last summer ;-) But as for the Live Aid Brigade, c'mon!!!?! Just kidding - Julian Cope IS dadrock already (but us youngsters can do the twist just as well as you oldies!) :)) >For about 15 years all I could listen to was Cardiacs, Swans, Foetus, >Throbbing Gristle, Einsturzende Neubaten etc. I respect what these guys >do, but I just want to listen to indie-pop-dance-bubblegum-psyche and >Hawkwind, these days. Especially Hawkwind. I can't hack difficult music >anymore, I just find it too wearying. Agreeably Nice Songs now please. >Porcupine Tree, mmm, nice. In 50 years time, you will be listening to the future of Dadrock.... and Hawkwind! (what sets one apart, as always, from the others!!!!) >Julian Cope. Agreeably nice *and* socially confrontational! Peggy >Suicide is one of the greatest albums ever recorded. I think it's overrated! >No, you misunderstand me. It actually *was* Grants' *I* did. He gave it >to me. ;) No, I did NOT misundersand you. Grant gave you some, sure, Grant enjoys lots of things too, I am sure, and reading him in High School prepared me for the real thing........!!!!! The man blows minds for a living and obviously had his mind blown more than a few times himself!!!!! thasswottaimeant... now go peddle his smut! Christian From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 18 12:00:22 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:00:22 GMT Subject: HW: Kollector alert In-Reply-To: Miikka Wagner's message of Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:40:13 +0200 Message-ID: Miikka Wagner writes: > This is only what I read, but there was something that he is very slow or > even worse never send nothing. He was prompt at sending me a catalogue when I sent a couple of IRC coupons and stated that he'd reserved the Doremi album for me. > Let?s hope that he is actually good guy. Yeah.... > Miikka Wagner Cheers FoFP From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 18 11:58:14 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:58:14 +0100 Subject: HW: http://www.hawkwind.com/ In-Reply-To: <199712181427.JAA18295@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: At 09:27 18.12.97 -0500, you wrote: >>Mystery: somebody on BOC-L killed StarRats!! >> >>Main supects you know who you are! > >Suspects: > >1. Steve Swann - if all else fails, blame Steve Swann. > >2. R.O.D.S. - perhaps he was standing too close to Doug Smith. > >3. Moose - Vacationing in Sweden, he failed to heed warnings about not > feeding the dangerous Moose. > >4. Paul Ward - well, the Assassin's guild insists you assassinate someone every > five years or so or you lose your membership. > >5. Christian - It's always the one who reports the murder who's the first >suspect. > >any others? > It.. was.. THE BUTLER! Now.. what was his motif eh? His alibi? Where did he go? Anybody see a butler around on BOC-L??? Butler! More wine over here please!! Christian From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Dec 18 12:39:59 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:39:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour progs! In-Reply-To: <199712181433.OAA27072@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Mike At 14:33 18.12.97 GMT, you wrote: >Eh? Wasn't there another tour programme between the Warrior one and the Astounding one? I'd heard that it came in four different colours. Yes, you can find a b/w picture of this program in Rob Godwins Collector Guide Book. I've only listed the programs I have I'd give my right hand to get this program !! Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 18 13:01:18 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:01:18 GMT Subject: HW: Tour progs! In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:39:59 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi Mike > > At 14:33 18.12.97 GMT, you wrote: > >Eh? Wasn't there another tour programme between the Warrior one and the > Astounding one? I'd heard that it came in four different colours. > > Yes, you can find a b/w picture of this program in Rob Godwins Collector > Guide Book. > > I've only listed the programs I have > > I'd give my right hand to get this program !! Hell, *I'd* give your right hand to get this program. > Bernhard FoFP From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Dec 18 15:52:41 1997 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas Pearson) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:52:41 -0800 Subject: Off: Rush & Knut etc. Message-ID: Jon Browne counters: >In article <3.0.2.32.19971218005415.0308f8f8 at online.no>, >cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes >> >>NO WAY!! QUEEN were far more inventive and >>had a much more varied and smart unflunces of past musical history as well Even though I wouldn't be caught dead actually listening to them, I DO have to give Queen credit for having the good taste to very blatantly rip off the Move (circa 'Shazam' & 'Looking On') and the Pretty Things (circa 'S.F. Sorrow' & 'Parachute'). Those are four albums I listed to pretty frequently. >>as oodles of panache, and an uncanny pop sensibility! > >And you actually have the temerity to cast aspersions on my musical >taste?!?! :) Well, Sting and Phil Collins to you! Don't forget that (as I boldly attempt to veer somewhat on-topic) Phil Collins plays drums in the same rhythm section as Paul Rudolph on several tracks on Brian Eno's solo albums, and then there's the Reactivators version of "Nuclear Waste" ... (but also don't forget that none of this should be taken to imply that these 3 acts do not SUCK, 'cause they do!) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Dec 18 16:16:31 1997 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas Pearson) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:16:31 -0800 Subject: OFF: JMascis (was: Re: More Best of 1997) Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: >In article <3.0.2.32.19971217221412.0308a628 at online.no>, >cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes: [...big snip of interesting points by both...] >>>Big Bummer - Dinasaur Jr. split. >> >>Oh, c'mon, they/he ceased being a real band years ago anyway and had >>just been >>treading MTV waters in vain ever since the Brief Grunge Age flooded all >>those >>bands up the charts, and letting most get washed so far back down on >>their >>asses they never got back up... I mean, J. Mascis playing golf to a >>slow >>booooring song >sigh>in >>Massachusetts.)># > > >J.Mascis is the most influencial guitarist of his generation and you can >lay grunge entirely at his door. No Dinosaur, No Nirvana, Tad, Mudhoney >etc No! No! No! Not true at all. When the first Dinosaur (pre-jr.) album came out on Homestead (after a considerable amount of pre-release hype), EVERYONE said, about his guitar playing, "Neil Young meets Sonic Youth" (if I were to dig through my old issues of 'Forced Exposure' and 'Conflict' I'm sure I could find some quotes to verify this). SY had been releasing albums for about 5 years at that point, and the first Green River EP (pre-Mudhoney / Pearl Jam band, also on Homestead) came out right around the same time, with Steve Turner's guitar playing sounding not particularly different from the way it would 5 years later when grunge "broke", so you certainly can't say that there would have been "No Mudhoney" without Dino jr. Same with Nirvana, really ... their biggest influence was the Melvins, who were around when J & Lou were still in Deep Wound. Chris is definitely correct about "No Dino jr." without SY & Husker Du ... Wow, 1987 was a long time ago ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 18 17:24:28 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:24:28 +0100 Subject: Off: Rush & Knut etc. In-Reply-To: <199712182054.MAA10216@proxy3.ba.best.com> Message-ID: At 12:52 18.12.97 -0800, Doug wrote: >Even though I wouldn't be caught dead actually listening to them, I DO have >to give Queen credit for having the good taste to very blatantly rip off >the Move (circa 'Shazam' & 'Looking On') and the Pretty Things (circa 'S.F. >Sorrow' & 'Parachute'). Those are four albums I listed to pretty >frequently. Why I would even defend The Cult - if you are gonna rip someone off, make sure you have good taste!! Queen were a very varied band veering from heavy metal to fluffy beatles-pop & music hall, progrock, gay disco (!?), silly opera & even Spacerock!! (check the Flash Gordon soundtrack disc folks!! Ha!). Even better, they had something most pompous 70s stadium bands lacked: humour! Freddie was so queer he could set the house on fire and just blatantly acted it out in his bizarre prancing about, and if nothing else Brian May had his own homemade guitar (!) and unique guitar sound/signature. They knew they were a bunch of goofs and went with it and made tons o'money being a very creative bunch of goofs. Jon writes: >>And you actually have the temerity to cast aspersions on my musical >>taste?!?! :) Well, Sting and Phil Collins to you! 1) In comparison to Rush, they certainly are BRILLIANT in every aspect imaginable/invented/possible to comprehend/beyond comprehension/every incomprihensible way! 2) Well, I was into them up until I was about 14 - as I said, a *childhood* favorite. Sold off most of it save the awesome Flash Gordon soundtrack! "Flash! Flaaaaash! Saviour Of The Universe!!!!!! Flash! Flaaash!! He'll save every one of us!!!!!!! Flash!!!" etc, etc. ROCKS! At the same time, I had the hots for Siouxie Sioux in the Banshees' "Dear Prudence" video! Imagine, if I'd turned GOTH - ugh!! (seeing as I had a thing for The Cult in the 80s as well!) Now, c'mon Jon, you can't have been 1001% super-hip/ultracool ALL your life eh?? :-)) 'Fess up! Which crap bands do you nostalgically like but are not willing to admit eh?? *snicker* betcha were into SUPERTRAMP and still put 'em on when you are feeling real "Dad-ish"!!! Christian ObCD: HW/Levitation - Ginger bangs away! From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Dec 18 17:35:31 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:35:31 -0500 Subject: More Best of 1997 In-Reply-To: <01BD0AEB.277DF380.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Dec 17, 97 12:55:09 pm Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > > Year's Best Reissue - Joy Division - Heart And Soul (yeah, like that's > > going to go over big on this list. > > Fine by me, Jon! In fact I feel a definite urge to dust off _Unknown > Pleasures_ and slap it on de turntable right now! Fine by me, too, and I *was* just listening to _Unknown Pleasures_ last week. Back in 91 or 92, I tried to push Joy Division on this list a couple of times; Paul Mather used to razz me about it. ;-) > ObLP: Joy Division - _Unknown Pleasures_. "She's Lost Control"! Oh yes! What is _Heart and Soul_? I thought I owned the whole JD catalog, and I've never heard of it (except as a single). Steve From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Dec 18 17:38:46 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:38:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger In-Reply-To: <438AD854A2A@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" at Dec 17, 97 09:59:50 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 writes: > > I hate to defend a guy who most of the world thinks is an asshole, > and plays in a band universally reviled on BOC-L, but listen to Carl > Palmer on Karn Evil 9 on Welcome Back My Friends. That's as good as > anything GB's ever done... > > theo Wow, Theo. It takes some big brass ones to trash Rush and Ginger Baker, and then try to stick us with Carl Palmer. ;-) Steve From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Dec 18 17:52:42 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:52:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971217201808.030894cc@online.no> from "cannibal@CUTEY.COM" at Dec 17, 97 08:18:08 pm Message-ID: cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes: > > At 13:56 17.12.97 -0500, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > > >(shrug). Levitation is my favorite HW album because of Baker's drumming, > >without it it would still be good, but not on the same level.... I > >hesitate to think what Levitation would have been with Danny Thompson's > >drumming, (shudder)... > > No shit...! That album has a rock hard SPINE! Levitation: chuggachuggachugga!! > Thompson would have butchered the material. I mean, he's cool for the sleazy > HM of the mid 80's and all, but, eh, NOT Levitation: "I got Levitation > Levitation Levitation! (suddenly drums!:) thud, thud, thud - bash." ROFL!!! That's exactly the way I described his drumming, when I was attempting to explain why it took me so long to warm to _Xenon Codex_. It's that god damned monotonous "thud thud thud" of Thompson's drumming that wrecks it for me. It didn't help that I bought Xenon about 2 weeks after getting seriously turned on to Hawkwind via _Levitation_... To see what Baker brought to Hawkwind, compare the version of "Motorway City" on _Live 79_ to the version on _Levitation_. The version on _Levitation_ *moves* because of that rolling beat that Baker uses. The one on _Live 79_ plods leadenly along with a heavy handed thump-thump-thump (who the hell was drumming on that album?). Not that I'm putting down Live 79, or whoever was the drummer on it, I quite like the album. But that one song sounded like shite just because of the uninspired drumming; and Ginger Baker turned it into a positively wonderful tune just by fixing that awful static beat. Steve From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Dec 18 17:57:18 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:57:18 -0500 Subject: OFF:Faves of 1997 In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971217222114.0308975c@online.no> from "cannibal@CUTEY.COM" at Dec 17, 97 10:21:14 pm Message-ID: cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes: > > BTW, on the reissue front I forgot to add the surprisingly GREAT > remix/remaster > of Iggy & The Stooges / Raw Power! Does THAT fuckin rock out or what!!! > As Iggy sez: everything is in the red... still, hard to fix such a fucked > up recording in the first place (which of course is part of its skanky > glam-junkie-death-rock charm!!) I don't care how good it sounds - I've got it beat all to hell with my copy of _Rough Power_, the pre-Bowie-ized version of the album, put together from the raw studio tapes. Yes the production values are shite, but man-o-man it'll tear your ears off! ;-) I got a right, Steve From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 18 17:51:53 1997 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:51:53 EST Subject: OFF: Kingdom Come, Message-ID: Between LP's and CD's, I've managed to pick up over a dozen Arthur Brown discs, incuding the second (never released) Crazy World album!!! Anyone out there have any live AB/KC shows to trade? Ric BTW, I'm still looking for Galactic Zoo Dossier on CD... From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 18 18:26:44 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:26:44 -0000 Subject: OFF: Joy Dividion (RE: More Best of 1997) Message-ID: On Thursday, December 18, 1997 10:36 PM, Stephen Swann [SMTP:swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU] wrote: > Andy Gilham writes: > > > > > Year's Best Reissue - Joy Division - Heart And Soul (yeah, like > > > that's > > > going to go over big on this list. > > > > Fine by me, Jon! In fact I feel a definite urge to dust off _Unknown > > Pleasures_ and slap it on de turntable right now! > > Fine by me, too, and I *was* just listening to _Unknown Pleasures_ > last week. Back in 91 or 92, I tried to push Joy Division on this > list a couple of times; Paul Mather used to razz me about it. ;-) > > > ObLP: Joy Division - _Unknown Pleasures_. "She's Lost Control"! Oh > > yes! > > What is _Heart and Soul_? I thought I owned the whole JD catalog, > and I've never heard of it (except as a single). > > Steve It's a new box set comprising just about every extant recording Joy Division ever made. Pretty tempting, as most of my JD is of original vintage. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Thu Dec 18 12:33:03 1997 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:33:03 GMT Subject: More best of 1997 Message-ID: Jesus ! How many times do we have to repeat this ??? It took me 10 damn minutes to download that "record.wav" file - for which, you'll note, I have absolutely *no interest whatsoever* !?!?! So, I will repeat it once more : if you have such a file you'd like to share with others (pictures, sounds, whatever), that's fine with me, but PLEASE don't send it to the list ! Rather, just tell people you have this and those who are interested can contact you *privately* and you can send them directly the file without using bandwidth for nothing and annoying half the list population (if not more) !!! Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Dec 18 18:42:38 1997 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas Pearson) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:42:38 -0800 Subject: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger Message-ID: Steve Swann spake thusly: >To see what Baker brought to Hawkwind, compare the version of >"Motorway City" on _Live 79_ to the version on _Levitation_. The >version on _Levitation_ *moves* because of that rolling beat that >Baker uses. The one on _Live 79_ plods leadenly along with a >heavy handed thump-thump-thump (who the hell was drumming on that >album?). uh ... that would be one Simon King, the best drummer that Hawkwind ever had! >Not that I'm putting down Live 79, or whoever was >the drummer on it, I quite like the album. But that one song >sounded like shite just because of the uninspired drumming; and >Ginger Baker turned it into a positively wonderful tune just >by fixing that awful static beat. Funny, my opinion is diametrically opposed - I think that "Motorway City" is the only song on _Live 79_ that's superior to the studio version (well, I haven't heard the Blake/Swindells solo versions of "Lighthouse" and "Shot Down...", but I really dislike the version of "Spirit of the Age"). I think that the jazzy, rolling beats on _Levitation_ aren't really very appropriate for Hawkwind, even though I do really like the album. But I love Simon King's straight-ahead 2/2 driving beat, although admittedly he does it far better of, say _Space Ritual_ than _Live 79_. Just my opinion ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Thu Dec 18 19:10:12 1997 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:10:12 -0900 Subject: OFF: Joy Dividion (RE: More Best of 1997) In-Reply-To: <01BD0C0D.0758A500.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: > > > > Year's Best Reissue - Joy Division - Heart And Soul (yeah, like > > > > that's going to go over big on this list. Joy Division is a personal favorite of mine. They were extremely influential on the whole realm of gothic/metal music. -- william fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu http://members.tripod.com/~Zomb From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 18 19:07:18 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:07:18 +0100 Subject: Thud!! Grok drum good!! (Re: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger) In-Reply-To: <199712182252.RAA19364@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: At 17:52 18.12.97 -0500, Steve Swann wrote: >ROFL!!! > >That's exactly the way I described his drumming, when I was attempting >to explain why it took me so long to warm to _Xenon Codex_. It's that >god damned monotonous "thud thud thud" of Thompson's drumming that >wrecks it for me. It didn't help that I bought Xenon about 2 weeks >after getting seriously turned on to Hawkwind via _Levitation_... I remeber Xenon Codex being one of my earliest HW CDs when it had just come out and I had NO clue (even after owning about 3-4 HW CDs) what the hell it was gonna sound like - hit me right away, I thought it was great and still do (the second half in particular, most of the first side bores me a bit) - XC is very much a link between the 80's HM and 90's ambient incarnation (I thought Space Bandits was a big letdown). ANYWAY, I agree, it was the first time I noticed the drumming stuck out like a sore thumb but the drive of so much stuff (and the industrial flavor) made up for it. Hell, the first HW I bought was CotBS and it *almost* turned me off from HW because of the sheer HM cheezyness - but then I got XiSoS and QS&C... my mind had melted!!! What was going on?? Huh?? All I could do was buy more, more, more... sort of like stabbing your third eye out with your wallet!! >To see what Baker brought to Hawkwind, compare the version of >"Motorway City" on _Live 79_ to the version on _Levitation_. The >version on _Levitation_ *moves* because of that rolling beat that >Baker uses. The one on _Live 79_ plods leadenly along with a >heavy handed thump-thump-thump (who the hell was drumming on that >album?). Not that I'm putting down Live 79, or whoever was >the drummer on it, I quite like the album. But that one song >sounded like shite just because of the uninspired drumming; and >Ginger Baker turned it into a positively wonderful tune just >by fixing that awful static beat. The drummer on Live 79 was ol' Simon "of course I like 'em diet pills" King! I don't understand all this praise of Richards - IMO he sounds like a really good drum machine! It just sounds kinda processed... like there are too many little superflous sounds attached to his "perfect" beats or something... Anyway, this drummer talk got me digging out the early Sisters Of Mercy stuff! You think Danny Thompson goes "thud" in the night?? Andrew Eldritch sounds like the alternate reality where Thompson drummed in Def Leppard and severed his arm *and* both his legs *and* stuck it out! It's so bad he replaced himself with a cheap drum machine (dr. Avalanche!). the track "The Damage Done" is just this one arm going on one drum "thuddy thuddy thud" and then with the other, "crahycrashycrash!" - over and over! No variation for the full 3 minutes!! Awfully mixed/recorded - the crap drums are totally upfront and dominant! Troglyodite rock'n'roll of the lowest order - gotta love it! (speaking of: of course I love Raw Power in any form, shape or fashion!) look out honey cos I'm using technology, Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 18 19:14:57 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:14:57 +0100 Subject: LIST: sending files/DOWNLOAD?.... Re: More best of 1997 In-Reply-To: <199712181733.RAA00147@laguna-01.laguna.com.mx> Message-ID: Calm down, man! Maybe one should just put "DOWNLAD" in the header and EVERYONE can be happy. Christian At 17:33 18.12.97 GMT, you wrote: >Jesus ! How many times do we have to repeat this ??? It took me 10 damn >minutes to download that "record.wav" file - for which, you'll note, I have >absolutely *no interest whatsoever* !?!?! So, I will repeat it once more : >if you have such a file you'd like to share with others (pictures, sounds, >whatever), that's fine with me, but PLEASE don't send it to the list ! >Rather, just tell people you have this and those who are interested can >contact you *privately* and you can send them directly the file without >using bandwidth for nothing and annoying half the list population (if not >more) !!! > > > >Alex S. Garcia. > >--------------------------------------------------- >Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ >Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF > http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ >--------------------------------------------------- > > From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Thu Dec 18 19:29:26 1997 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:29:26 -0700 Subject: More best of 1997 Message-ID: >Jesus ! How many times do we have to repeat this ??? It took me 10 damn >minutes to download that "record.wav" file - for which, you'll note, I have >absolutely *no interest whatsoever* !?!?! So, I will repeat it once more : >if you have such a file you'd like to share with others (pictures, sounds, >whatever), that's fine with me, but PLEASE don't send it to the list ! >Rather, just tell people you have this and those who are interested can >contact you *privately* and you can send them directly the file without >using bandwidth for nothing and annoying half the list population (if not >more) !!! > >Alex S. Garcia. Yow! To all those I annoyed, sorry, I won't do it again. To those who actually liked it, sorry, I won't do it again. Actually, I can kinda understand how you feel, after finding 37 "religion vs. Rock-n-Roll" posts in my inbox day after day. But: what is "using bandwidth for nothing"? This post, and any other, is going to use precious bandwidth, and is going to annoy some and be ignored by others, so I guess we all ought to just get back to arguing whether or not Rush is worse than Marilyn Manson... Kevin Sommers From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Fri Dec 19 12:24:22 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:24:22 EST Subject: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger In-Reply-To: <199712171436.JAA02793@dogberry>; from "Stephen Lindsey" at Dec 17, 97 09:36:47 am Message-ID: Brainstorm + drum solos dont mix plus he's a wanker re:Roy Harper at Glastonbury 1981. regards Marty From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Dec 18 21:58:03 1997 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:58:03 -0500 Subject: ADMIN: sending files In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971219011457.02f90e94@online.no> from "cannibal@CUTEY.COM" at Dec 19, 97 01:14:57 am Message-ID: >Calm down, man! Maybe one should just put "DOWNLAD" in the header >and EVERYONE can be happy. Or, better yet, let's _NOT_ include any files in list postings. If you feel that you want to share something with the group, you can: 1) post a URL 2) post an FTP site 3) contact me privately for a contribution to the archive. Future violators will be summarily executed. YnSSHM, Ben From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Fri Dec 19 00:04:33 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:04:33 -0500 Subject: More Best of 1997 In-Reply-To: <199712182235.RAA19318@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Stephen Swann wrote: > Fine by me, too, and I *was* just listening to _Unknown Pleasures_ > last week. Back in 91 or 92, I tried to push Joy Division on this > list a couple of times; Paul Mather used to razz me about it. ;-) I did? My mind must be going; I know bugger all about Joy Division, and normally I make it a point of razzing on only those things that I have had at least a passing acquaintance with. :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Kyuss, _Queens of the Stone Age_ e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU Fri Dec 19 02:30:21 1997 From: corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU (Dmitri Lapitski) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:30:21 +0300 Subject: HW: Drummers list Message-ID: Ok, we talked much about drumming and drummers. Now let's make the list of best Hawkwind drummers. Here is mine: 1. Simon King - it was a tough choice 'cause I like drumming of = Richard Chadwick - and I don't know really who is the first in my list. I think they both deserved it. 3. Danny Thompson - his drumming perfectly fits the Black Sword Chronicles Era of Hawkwind - the great period. And the Xenon Codex too - my favourite HW studio album. 4. Alan Powell 5. Terry Olis 6. Ginger Baker 7. Martin Griffin ----------------------- Dmitri From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 19 04:23:10 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:23:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: JMascis (was: Re: More Best of 1997) In-Reply-To: <199712182118.NAA17969@proxy3.ba.best.com> Message-ID: In article <199712182118.NAA17969 at proxy3.ba.best.com>, Douglas Pearson writes >No! No! No! Not true at all. When the first Dinosaur (pre-jr.) album came >out on Homestead (after a considerable amount of pre-release hype), >EVERYONE said, about his guitar playing, "Neil Young meets Sonic Youth" That would make J. a genius then already, No? >(if >I were to dig through my old issues of 'Forced Exposure' and 'Conflict' I'm >sure I could find some quotes to verify this). SY had been releasing >albums for about 5 years at that point, Very true, but compare "Sex is Confusion" to "Goo" >and the first Green River EP >(pre-Mudhoney / Pearl Jam band, also on Homestead) came out right around >the same time, with Steve Turner's guitar playing sounding not particularly >different from the way it would 5 years later when grunge "broke", so you >certainly can't say that there would have been "No Mudhoney" without Dino >jr. No, OK fair enough, but they would have developed quite differently. And might even still be around :) > Same with Nirvana, really ... their biggest influence was the Melvins, >who were around when J & Lou were still in Deep Wound. Again, I accept this. >Chris is definitely >correct about "No Dino jr." without SY & Husker Du ... Absolutely true, but the bands I cited would have sounded a little different. Anyway, I'm only basing my opinion on a bunch of interviews where a bunch of these guys cite J. as their ax hero. Thurston Moore especially. But yes, of course I accept that most of these guys were playing already. It's his playing style rather than song-writing I feel was influential, and when I said "of his generation" I should have been more specific. I meant among his contemporaries, rather than the lasting influence that Thurston or Kurt have had. > >Wow, 1987 was a long time ago ... Well, yes and no :-P -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 19 04:31:47 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:31:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: Joy Dividion (RE: More Best of 1997) In-Reply-To: <01BD0C0D.0758A500.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BD0C0D.0758A500.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andy Gilham writes >It's a new box set comprising just about every extant recording Joy >Division ever made. Pretty tempting, as most of my JD is of original >vintage. > >-Andy It's a 4 disc set with new post production. Not remastered as such but it does have a depth and clarity my existing discs don't. Plus of course, there's all the singles, flexis, Radio sessions, unreleased live stuff etc. Funny thing is, since I posted it's been recalled and deleted. Don't know why. It was only on sale for four days. Weird. -- Jon Browne From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 19 05:45:29 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:45:29 GMT Subject: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:52:42 -0500 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > To see what Baker brought to Hawkwind, compare the version of > "Motorway City" on _Live 79_ to the version on _Levitation_. The > version on _Levitation_ *moves* because of that rolling beat that > Baker uses. The one on _Live 79_ plods leadenly along with a > heavy handed thump-thump-thump (who the hell was drumming on that > album?). Easy boy, that was Simon King. > > Steve FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 19 05:53:15 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:53:15 GMT Subject: Thud!! Grok drum good!! (Re: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger) In-Reply-To: cannibal@CUTEY.COM's message of Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:07:18 +0100 Message-ID: cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes: > I remeber Xenon Codex being one of my earliest HW CDs when it had just > come out and I had NO clue (even after owning about 3-4 HW CDs) what the > hell it was gonna sound like - hit me right away, I thought it was great and > still do (the second half in particular, most of the first side bores me a > bit) - XC is very much a link between the 80's HM and 90's ambient > incarnation > (I thought Space Bandits was a big letdown). I've come to the conclusion that since Levitation, there's a great Hawkwind album in every *two* studio albums (their live albums are generally fine but each studio album seems to have been a half finished project that was completed with filler. So between Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques there's a great album and also between: Church/Weird tapes Black Sword/Earth Ritual Space Bandits/Xenon Codex Electric Tepee/IITBOTFTBD FoFP From torgo at NORWICH.NET Fri Dec 19 06:30:16 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:30:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: Downloads Message-ID: Once upon a time, someone said... >Jesus ! How many times do we have to repeat this ??? It took me 10 damn >minutes to download that "record.wav" file - for which, you'll note, I have >absolutely *no interest whatsoever* !?!?! So, I will repeat it once more : >if you have such a file you'd like to share with others (pictures, sounds, >whatever), that's fine with me, but PLEASE don't send it to the list ! >Rather, just tell people you have this and those who are interested can >contact you *privately* and you can send them directly the file without >using bandwidth for nothing and annoying half the list population (if not >more) !!! Is THAT what that sucker was? That baby got lodged in my e-mail account and I had to have the good men and women at my ISP get in there physically and DELETE it, kind of an internet enema. Problem is I lost all my mail that was kinda "stuck behind it" too. Needless to say I did my own fair share of swearing yesterday. Glad to see all is normal again. Hope it doesn't happen again, I really don't want to unsubscribe yet. Torgo, who HAS cooled down a bit, honestly. ;^) torgo at norwich.net From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 19 07:07:50 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:07:50 EDT Subject: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger In-Reply-To: <199712182238.RAA19328@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: > From: Stephen Swann > Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 writes: > > > > I hate to defend a guy who most of the world thinks is an asshole, > > and plays in a band universally reviled on BOC-L, but listen to Carl > > Palmer on Karn Evil 9 on Welcome Back My Friends. That's as good as > > anything GB's ever done... > > > > theo > > Wow, Theo. It takes some big brass ones to trash Rush and > Ginger Baker, and then try to stick us with Carl Palmer. ;-) > > Steve Well, I've got a soft spot for Ginger, as Cream was one of the bands that made me pick up the guitar. I think he's pretty good as a rule, though that solo Toad is pretty bad. ELP? What can I say? We're all entitled to lapses in judgement. I like all kinds of shitty bands. But I do know they suck... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 19 07:30:28 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:30:28 EDT Subject: Off: Rush Bashing - GET THEO! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > Theo, you subversive. Just look what you've started! (Hehehehe) > We are approaching meltdown on this thread...grrrrrr... somebody should > liberate your car so you can't catch the tBS gig...that would be a > suitable punishement. > Not one more word! They're predicting snow for next week. Don't even think about it... > Admit it though, if you saw Rush in the early 70's you thought "no way > will they ever be bigger than BOC?" Wonder how many Rush detractors on > this list know this to be the truth? > When I saw Rush, they were opening for BOC, who were still on the way up. This was pre-AoF. So I figured BOC still had a ways to climb. Rush was pretty good live, and the BOC crowd dug them. But man, Geddy's voice just wrecked everything... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Dec 19 09:10:23 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:10:23 -0500 Subject: Off: Rush Bashing - GET THEO! Message-ID: >When I saw Rush, they were opening for BOC, who were still on the way >up. This was pre-AoF. So I figured BOC still had a ways to climb. >Rush was pretty good live, and the BOC crowd dug them. But man, >Geddy's voice just wrecked everything... What would you think of Rush, if, say, they were identical in every way except that Geddy only played bass and they had, oh, I dunno, Barry White doing the vocals? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Dec 19 09:10:18 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:10:18 -0500 Subject: HW: Drummers list Message-ID: >Ok, we talked much about drumming and drummers. Now let's make the list >of best Hawkwind drummers. >Here is mine: ok..... 1. Ginger Baker 2. Simon King 3. Richard Chadwick 4. Terry Olis 5. Alan Powell 6. Martin Griffin 7. Danny Thompson - Chronicles & LC used to be my favorite HW albums until someone mentioned not liking the drumming, when I listened to it next I paid attention to it and this almost has ruined the album for me. I still like it for other reasons, but there are times when it almost seems Huw is having to cover for DT just to give the song some more rhythym. And Elric the Enchanter (part 1, from the studio version), once one of my favorite songs, gets me cringing, I have to force myself not to pay attention to the drums... also Needle Gun, that's another. which is why I'm waiting with baited breath to hear it done by a real drummer, Albert.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 19 06:10:49 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:10:49 +0000 Subject: Off: Rush & Knut etc. In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971218232428.02f8b8f0@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971218232428.02f8b8f0 at online.no>, cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes >Now, c'mon Jon, you can't have been 1001% super-hip/ultracool ALL your life >eh?? :-)) 'Fess up! Which crap bands do you nostalgically like but are not >willing to admit eh?? *snicker* betcha were into SUPERTRAMP and still put 'em >on when you are feeling real "Dad-ish"!!! Chris, I have been a die-hard Hawkwind fan for 19 years now. How _cool_ is that? :) Yes, right, extremely. But it should illustrate that this coolness is only percieved by a select few and most people think my musical taste is hopeless. What do I care? There is one group. however, which almost fits the above, only I really _never_ever_ play them even when I'm feeling Dad-ish. When I'm in such a mood I'm inclined towards the Byrds and very occasionally, The Beach Boys. For them, I feel no shame and make no apologies. BUT.... . . . . . . I really was 8. Saturday Night Fever had not yet come out. They didn't sing in those funny voices. I thought Massachuchets was a good song. I even bought Jive Talking, happy? now leave me alone..... )-: -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 19 08:29:16 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 13:29:16 +0000 Subject: More Best of 1997 In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971218174738.02f97cec@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971218174738.02f97cec at online.no>, cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes >No, it is what you mean by NME/MM type bands...?? There certainly IS an >"underground" and it most certainly is alive and kicking, Well, of course I was generalising to a great extent and I did say "maybe" not "there isn't" but....Where are the punks, where is the rebellion? >it's just another layer between the two. yes and its getting broader and broader, till it's both the underground and the mainstream. > >> No one rejects that machine anymore, they all >>want their 15 minutes. > >NO ONE? NOT A SINGLE BAND!?? Very damn few. Man, when I was gigging, the NME was just as much establishment as the Charts. The charts were Duran Duran, Wham and Culture Club. The NME was Cowpunk. Kerrrist - do you remember The Boothill Foottappers? The Men They Couldn't Hang? The ___only___ NME approved band that were any good at all was Pogue Mahone, later The Pogues. Meanwhile back in reality there was a hundred bands like the Ozrics, Webcore, us, Astralasia (still The Magic Mushroom Band) etc. etc. the point is there were 100's and none of them even got so much as a review by the NME, nor did they seek one. We couldn't have cared less. These days bands like that court the press like any other. Even the Ozrics. I'm not even saying that's a bad thing. Quite the reverse in fact because now we've got a lot of decent music on the radio and in the charts. > >When all those bands broke big, 90% of them *revealed themselves* as phoneys >and "pop stars" with no balls (Nirvana were an interesting exception of >course...), and it kinda grossed me out. This is true. > It grossed me out seeing kids "goin' >grunge" overnight - "I was a punk before you were a punk" Hey, it happens overnight. I cut and dyed my hair punk in '77, that was overnight. > reaching a very different "present day" than what I see in NME or >on MTV :). Fair enough. I could well be talking utter shite here. In fact, I hope I am. >And I thought the NME were sorta mainstream... ok, "alternative" whatever >that means, but not "underground" IMO. Your point is good, but it only makes >100% sense if NME/MM were the ONLY source/outlet for UG culture - which they >certainly are not!!! 1985 - NME mainstream and irrelevant. 1989 - NME gets a clue. Becomes alternative - not underground. (Hawkwind are getting good reveiews around this time) 1992 - Alternative becomes mainstream, (for instance, Glastonbury attendances more like 500,000) True underground dwindles considerably. (No 'henge, Man!) Everyone is now officially groovy. I should point out, I'm really talking about the UK, pretty much here. It is worth pointing out that the NME (and others) voted Spritualized as Album of the Year. Surprising for an album which is not immediatly accessable, was presented in the same packageing as methadone from some clinic, largely equates love with heroin addiction, and approves of both. > >Without HUSKER DU or SONIC YOUTH, no Dinosaur jr. No arguement there. > >Hmm, Grant drop by recently? Ain't heard of him since he split with his girlfriend. It's her I know. > >In 50 years time, you will be listening to the future of Dadrock.... and >Hawkwind! (what sets one apart, as always, from the others!!!!) I probably will. And you will be listening to "Clint Ruin - 20 Golden Greats" :) > >>Julian Cope. Agreeably nice *and* socially confrontational! Peggy >>Suicide is one of the greatest albums ever recorded. > >I think it's overrated! By who, ferchrisssakes? The guys' only just got more fans than HW. And it's not, it's a goddam classic! >thasswottaimeant... now go peddle his smut! Right you are, skipper, anyone want to buy R. Crumb's new comic Mystic Funnies? > >Christian -- Jon From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 19 09:02:08 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:02:08 EDT Subject: Off: Rush Bashing - GET THEO! In-Reply-To: <199712191410.JAA28984@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: > From: "Andrew A. Apold" > > What would you think of Rush, if, say, they were identical in > every way except that Geddy only played bass and they had, oh, > I dunno, Barry White doing the vocals? > > Howls! Barry's a better singer than Geddy...Don't know who would improve things. I doubt a good singer would consent to sing those lyrics, but ya never know... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From micci at SCI.FI Fri Dec 19 10:07:53 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:07:53 +0200 Subject: HW: Tour progs! Message-ID: > >Eh? Wasn't there another tour programme between the Warrior one and the >Astounding one? I'd heard that it came in four different colours. > >FoFP > > Yeah, I think thats call 1976 Fall Tour and that Astounding is spring tour 1977. Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Dec 19 10:17:11 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:17:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Drummers list Message-ID: Dmitri suggests the following heirarchy of HW drummers. >Ok, we talked much about drumming and drummers. Now let's make the list >of best Hawkwind drummers. >Here is mine: > >1. Simon King - it was a tough choice 'cause I like drumming of >1. Richard Chadwick - and I don't know really who is the first in my > list. I think they both deserved it. >3. Danny Thompson - his drumming perfectly fits the Black Sword > Chronicles Era of Hawkwind - the great period. And the Xenon Codex too - > my favourite HW studio album. >4. Alan Powell >5. Terry Ollis >6. Ginger Baker >7. Martin Griffin Mine is... 1. Richard Chadwick - the most versatile and 'appropriate' drummer HW has had 2. Ginger Baker - I'm with Steve L. on this one, at least partially. I think his 'performance' on Levitation is one of the reasons that's such a great album. But then he was only on that one studio album, and his style wouldn't suit much else of HW's. Also, reports of him fronting his own HW following his sacking suggest that he's a real loser as a person. 3. Simon King 4. Martin Griffin 5. Alan Powell 6. Terry Ollis 7. Danny Thompson (THUMP-thwack-THUMP-thwack ad nauseum....) Keith H. (FAA) From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Fri Dec 19 10:21:14 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:21:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Bedouin album - Ginger In-Reply-To: <199712182345.PAA02478@proxy4.ba.best.com> from "Douglas Pearson" at Dec 18, 97 03:42:38 pm Message-ID: Douglas Pearson writes: > > Steve Swann spake thusly: > >Not that I'm putting down Live 79, or whoever was > >the drummer on it, I quite like the album. But that one song > >sounded like shite just because of the uninspired drumming; and > >Ginger Baker turned it into a positively wonderful tune just > >by fixing that awful static beat. > > Funny, my opinion is diametrically opposed - I think that "Motorway City" > is the only song on _Live 79_ that's superior to the studio version (well, > I haven't heard the Blake/Swindells solo versions of "Lighthouse" and "Shot > Down...", but I really dislike the version of "Spirit of the Age"). I > think that the jazzy, rolling beats on _Levitation_ aren't really very > appropriate for Hawkwind, even though I do really like the album. But I > love Simon King's straight-ahead 2/2 driving beat, although admittedly he > does it far better of, say _Space Ritual_ than _Live 79_. > > Just my opinion ... Which just goes to show that however many Hawkwind fans you put in a room, that's how many different opinions you'll get. Spirit of the Age on _Live 79_ is my favorite version of the song, and my favorite song on the album. ;-) Steve From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Fri Dec 19 10:29:00 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:29:00 -0500 Subject: More Best of 1997 In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Dec 19, 97 00:04:33 am Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Stephen Swann wrote: > > > Fine by me, too, and I *was* just listening to _Unknown Pleasures_ > > last week. Back in 91 or 92, I tried to push Joy Division on this > > list a couple of times; Paul Mather used to razz me about it. ;-) > > I did? My mind must be going; I know bugger all about Joy Division, and > normally I make it a point of razzing on only those things that I have > had at least a passing acquaintance with. :-) You razzed me for continually citing their "influence", not for anything to do particularly with the band itself. And if you weren't at all familiar with them, maybe that's why you thought it was funny that I considered them to be "influenctial"? ;-) > obCD: Kyuss, _Queens of the Stone Age_ WHAT THE HELL IS THIS? Are Kyuss back together? Steve From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Fri Dec 19 10:45:19 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:45:19 -0500 Subject: HW: Drummers list In-Reply-To: <199712191410.JAA28963@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Dec 19, 97 09:10:18 am Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > > 7. Danny Thompson - Chronicles & LC used to be my favorite HW albums until > someone mentioned not liking the drumming, when I listened to it next > I paid attention to it and this almost has ruined the album for me. > I still like it for other reasons, but there are times when it almost > seems Huw is having to cover for DT just to give the song some more > rhythym. And Elric the Enchanter (part 1, from the studio version), > once one of my favorite songs, gets me cringing, I have to force myself > not to pay attention to the drums... also Needle Gun, that's another. > which is why I'm waiting with baited breath to hear it done by a > real drummer, Albert.... Oddly enough, although I abuse DT a lot, his drumming seems decent enough to me on _LC_. Maybe it's because he's pushed way down in the mix, unlike on Xenon Codex where that whoppingly loud THWAK THWAK THWAK is mixed up-front and center...argh. Or maybe it's because he "covers" other drummers' material perfectly well, but just can't come up with his own? DT's drumming was the *first* thing I noticed when I bought XC and started playing _The War I Survived_. I eventually got somewhat over my distaste for the drumming... on the Hawkwind poll, I even picked "Lost Chronicles" as their best instrumental piece. But at times I still have to consciously disregard the drum work on that album in order to enjoy listening to it. Steve From corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU Fri Dec 19 11:08:55 1997 From: corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU (Dmitri Lapitski) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:08:55 +0300 Subject: HW: Drummers list Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > 7. Danny Thompson - Chronicles & LC used to be my favorite HW albums until > someone mentioned not liking the drumming, when I listened to it next > I paid attention to it and this almost has ruined the album for me. > I still like it for other reasons, but there are times when it almost > seems Huw is having to cover for DT just to give the song some more > rhythym. And Elric the Enchanter (part 1, from the studio version), > once one of my favorite songs, gets me cringing, I have to force myself > not to pay attention to the drums... also Needle Gun, that's another. > which is why I'm waiting with baited breath to hear it done by a > real drummer, Albert.... When someone mentioned that he doesn't like Danny's drumming I relistened to all albums with Danny Thompson and didn't understand why all of you so don't like his drumming. His drumming is not perfect but it perfectly fits the material. Baker's drumming is so weak that everytime I listen to Levitation I regret that Simon King left Hawkwind. Baker just doesn't have power in his drums. His drumming is ok for any soft rock band but not for Hawkwind. Dmitri From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Dec 19 11:11:50 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:11:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: g'bye all! Message-ID: hi, my isp acct expires 2morrow, and i havent the $$ to renew. so i will see y'all sometime in the future. bye for now, rj From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 19 11:32:19 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:32:19 GMT Subject: HW: Drummers list In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:10:18 -0500 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > >Ok, we talked much about drumming and drummers. Now let's make the list > >of best Hawkwind drummers. > >Here is mine: I've only one and him I worship and every time I go to a live Hawkwind gig I *know* that there is one true drummer in the world - at least as far as Hawkwind are concerned. That one is Richard Chadwick. I've no idea how he would fit in with any other band but his style and technique suit Hawkwind perfectly and I fully believe that without his playing, most of the rhythmic background that creates the Hawkwind sound just wouldn't be there - he supports, adds to and surrounds the bass playing and gives the extra depth and variation they need. The wierd thing is that I reckon he's so good you just don't hear him drumming - it all blends in so well. Which is surely the point of a good drummer, to create the sound but not necessarily to be heard above it. Well IMO anyhow! Happy Winter Solstice to one and all when it happens jill obSolsticeWorshipProblem> no sun ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 19 10:56:08 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:56:08 GMT Subject: HW: Drummers list In-Reply-To: <199712191410.JAA28963@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:10:18 -0500, you sent through the ether: Best Hawkwind drummer? simple. 1. Simon King 2. Simon King 3. Simon King 4. Simon King 5. Simon King & Alan Powell P.S. Mick Stupp should`ve been given a go.. S. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 19 12:49:42 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:49:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: g'bye all! In-Reply-To: <349A9CC5.96846161@starlinx.com> Message-ID: In article <349A9CC5.96846161 at starlinx.com>, Ron Jennings writes >hi, >my isp acct expires 2morrow, and i havent the $$ to renew. >so i will see y'all sometime in the future. >bye for now, >rj Ahh poo. How much d'ya need man? If it's not too much I'm sure we can have a whip round. I'll go ten bux. -- Jon Browne From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Dec 19 13:41:37 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:41:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: g'bye all! In-Reply-To: <7BVxYAA2Orm0EwvM@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: At 17:49 19.12.97 +0000, you wrote: >In article <349A9CC5.96846161 at starlinx.com>, Ron Jennings > writes >>hi, >>my isp acct expires 2morrow, and i havent the $$ to renew. >>so i will see y'all sometime in the future. >>bye for now, >>rj >Ahh poo. How much d'ya need man? If it's not too much I'm sure we can >have a whip round. I'll go ten bux. >-- >Jon Browne Hell, why not! Imagine, rj, Xmas w/out BOC-L! I'll fork up some cash if you promise to stop using only lower case!! (oh wait, maybe that's cheaper..) :))) Christian From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Fri Dec 19 14:02:06 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:02:06 -0500 Subject: HW: Distant Horizons, drummers etc. Message-ID: I just got Distant Horizons in the mail today and just finished listening to it, and I'm pleased to report that (contrary to popular opinion), the cover art is OK, but unfortunately.... well....for the first time ever.... I'm really let down by the new Hawkwind album! This album is very musically disappointing. The way everyone has been talking about it, you'd think it was an energy-driven psychedelic masterpiece, but to my ears it sounds very tired, very half-done. If this were a dodgy cassette of Hawkwind demos, I'd be willing to say, "yeah, cool", but knowing that THIS is the new album is bad news! And to think that now I'll have to wait another year or two for the next studio release... Is it me or has Brock really taken a back seat in recent years? It seems like he doesn't play as much on the albums, doesn't write as much, and what he does write these days is....kind of light weight, keyboard-excessive meandering drivel. It's hard for me to say that. I won't be listening to this album much. It definitely does not rock. Neither is it a "mellow" or an instrumental album. It is simply a demo-ish release. It sounds like a stalling maneuver until the band produces some real songs. As for drummers.... I like Richard Chadwick best. And Ginger was also great, despite all the negative comments people have about him. I think his playing is underrated in the Hawkwind camp because he was such a nasty person. Danny Thompson definitely sucked... the only thing that made up for his lack of technique was that the rest of the band was particularly musically strong at the time. Huw's solos and Harvey's keyboards filled up a lot of empty space, so at times you never notice how bad the drumming actually is. With Distant Horizons, I feel like Hawkwind has the weakest lineup they've had in a long while. I mean, Brock is of course indispensable, and so is Richard for that matter. Ron played reasonably nice bass live, but on the new album you'd barely notice he's there really. Jerry.... I don't know, I can take him or leave him. I think "Alchemy" is WAY too cheese metal/primitive RAWK for Hawkwind. And the keyboard playing is definitely lacking... Jeez, the band just isn't as strong as it has been. Calling Doctor Technical to the Bridge! Calling Doctor Technical! It's a case Dr. Brock can solve, if he'll just return to the ship's controls... John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From mwood at AGILE.COM Fri Dec 19 14:14:26 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:14:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: g'bye all! Message-ID: cannibal at CUTEY.COM wrote: > Hell, why not! Imagine, rj, Xmas w/out BOC-L! I'll fork up some > cash if you promise to stop using only lower case!! (oh wait, maybe > that's cheaper..) :))) Sure it is! And look at how much he saved just using abbreviations: > >>my isp acct expires 2morrow, and i havent the $$ to renew. ^^^ ^^^^ ^ ^ ^^ > >>so i will see y'all sometime in the future. ^^^^^ One economically-minded dude, that rj! MWood NP: _The Best of Amon Duul II: 1969-1974_ Last night, I had a choice between buying this Amon Duul II CD or Hawkwind's _Ambient Anarchists_ 2-CD set. I've got almost all of the regular Hawkwind catalog (except _PXR5_, DH, & 1999) on CD already, and I'm not a Kompletist. Did I choose wisely? From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 19 14:13:48 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:13:48 GMT Subject: HW: Tour progs! In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:25:33 +0100 Message-ID: I've been waiting for someone else to do this but apparently not so here are some descriptions: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi > > Tourprogram Year > ==================== > Space Ritual 1972 Black and White large folded sheet with a Hawklords in Space story inside and song lyrics along with some photos. > Winter 1974-1975 1974 Red Indian Chief picture on the cover and Michael Moorcock's story about Jimi Hendrix in the afterlife. There's a large fold out poster in the middle section with embarassed looking photos of the band and pics of the (then) available albums. > Astounding Tour 1976 The album cover forms the cover with the aggressive 3rd Reich-looking eagle dominating the front. Mostly band photos inside with interviews with a couple of band members and a brief review by Mick Farren for NME. There's a pencil sketch of the Atomhenge set too > Quark Tour 1977 The album cover forms the front cover. Inside are very brief bio-pics of the band, a large centre spread of the band on stage, four poems from Calvert (including Circle Line) but not much else. > Hawklords Tour 1978 A brief history of Pan Transcendental Industries Inc. "Reality you can rely on" - Calvert's wierd art-image production. A small but perfect piece of much strangenss. > Winter 1979 1979 Garish. Brock explains away the problems of that period. Brief personal histories from Tim Blake, Harvey B, Lloyd L., and Simon King > Levitation Tour 1980 Album cover on the front. Inside is mostly lyrics and super-swish quality publicity photos of band members. Ginger Baker also gets a brief personal biography. > Glastonbury 1981 don't have this one! > Sonic Attac Tour 1981 wierd one. A BIG programme with Sonic Attack logo on the outside front and Church of Hawkwind logo on the back. Inside is mostly colourful advertising with some fuzzy band photos but there are a couple of garishly intense pieces of fantazy artwork and the Earth Visitors Passport form to be completed before departure of Starship Hawkwind. > Monemore Festival 1982 nope > Choose Your M Tour 1982 Lovely cover of the Choose your Masques album - almost my favourite. Garish colours inside creating not a lot of anything! There are a couple of Calvert lyrics - some fuzzy band photos - an explanation of the Einstein-Rosen wormhole effect and another Earth Visitors Passport. A BIG programme > Monsters Of Rock 1982 dunno > Earth Ritual Tour 1984 Anoth BIG programme - very colourful front cover - primitive artwork but glorious imagery. Mostly lyrics and advertising inside with colourful band member pics and graph paper has been used as a backdrop - effective! The advert for the Pic Disc version of the 1st Hawkwind album is absolute genius with a sketch of the average Hawkwind follower. > Live Chronicles Tour 1985 Chronicle of the Black Sword. Excellently drawn fantasy artwork by some very good artists indeed. A couple of group photos. > Reading Festival 1986 nope > Mad Docs Lab Tour 1988 The Hawkwind 1988 tour - Agents of Chaos. Colourful front cover with eye in the Triangle on a pyramid stuff. Inside are some lyrics, handwritten notes from the bandmembers - photos of the band as 2-3 year olds! Also a fold out board game in the center bit of the band on tour. > Langtree Festival 1996 Small white paper programme with purple printing. Hookah smoking Alien on the front and daily timetable and site map inside. that's all folks jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 19 14:20:04 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:20:04 GMT Subject: OFF: g'bye all! In-Reply-To: Ron Jennings's message of Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:11:50 -0500 Message-ID: Ron Jennings writes: > hi, > my isp acct expires 2morrow, and i havent the $$ to renew. > so i will see y'all sometime in the future. > bye for now, > rj sorry you have to leave. Come back when you can - we'll miss y' Seasoned Greetings and have fun 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Fri Dec 19 16:26:18 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (Damon C Capehart) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:26:18 -0600 Subject: More Best of 97 Message-ID: Torgo wrote: >Is THAT what that sucker was? That baby got lodged in my e-mail account and >I had to have the good men and women at my ISP get in there physically and >DELETE it, kind of an internet enema. Problem is I lost all my mail that >was kinda "stuck behind it" too. Needless to say I did my own fair share of >swearing yesterday. Glad to see all is normal again. > >Hope it doesn't happen again, I really don't want to unsubscribe yet. THIS is why, Kevin. Not because we're selfish dweebs who don't want to see anything in our mailbox except what we deem interesting. As far as the "religion vs. rock 'n' roll" thread, it was clearly marked "OFF:", but maybe you don't want to learn how to set filters on boc-l. BTW, none of the posts concerning "r vs. r&r" were greater than 5k (as far as I remember), and only take about 2 seconds to download, and don't lock up network mail servers. Yours was 551k, and for what? So we could hear Brock say something like "Hold on John, it's gonna be a second"??? Oh well, maybe it was worth it for someone. Damon From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Fri Dec 19 16:37:05 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 13:37:05 -0800 Subject: OFF: Test Message-ID: Sorry, but I've been having some problems with my e-mail; some people are receiving my messages as nonsense and it's a big fucking pain in the ass, you know how it is. I just want to see if I get my own message back in that way. Meanwhile, I haven't heard back from Paul Ward or John Majka, is it because my messages to you guys were garbled, too? Or was it just apathy? Oh well...anyway, I still will be getting all the Griffin CDs that I promised, come Dec. 26th. Charlie From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Fri Dec 19 16:38:58 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (Damon C Capehart) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:38:58 -0600 Subject: LIST: sending files/DOWNLOAD?.... Re: More best of 1997 Message-ID: Cannibal wrote: >Calm down, man! Maybe one should just put "DOWNLOAD" in the >header and EVERYONE can be happy. Most of us don't have a choice. I don't know of any mail server (aside from those on mainframes) that gives a person a choice as to whether to download the attachments (or message itself) or not. All I got was "Downloading message 1 of 74" for ten minutes. I thought my connection had been axed. We don't have the choice of only downloading headers. Now, newsgroups are another thing... Damon From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Dec 19 19:48:06 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:48:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Drummers list In-Reply-To: <349b98c0.21232872@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: At 15:56 19.12.97 GMT, Steve Pond wrote: >On Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:10:18 -0500, you sent through the ether: > > >Best Hawkwind drummer? > >simple. > >1. Simon King >2. Simon King >3. Simon King >4. Simon King >5. Simon King & Alan Powell > >P.S. Mick Stupp should`ve been given a go.. > >S. Wait, you forgot to add Simon King. C at C From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Dec 19 19:52:03 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:52:03 +0100 Subject: LIST: sending files/DOWNLOAD?.... Re: More best of 1997 In-Reply-To: <01bd0cc6$83c49b80$94b92499@netrepreneur.mymail.net> Message-ID: At 15:38 19.12.97 -0600, you wrote: >Most of us don't have a choice. I don't know of any mail server (aside from >those on mainframes) that gives a person a choice as to whether to download >the attachments (or message itself) or not. > >All I got was "Downloading message 1 of 74" for ten minutes. I thought my >connection had been axed. We don't have the choice of only downloading >headers. True - I'm a dumb shit! I just left the room and came back later and there it was. I agree though that the .wav was pretty uneccesary being so large. I tossed it :-) Christian From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Dec 19 22:12:14 1997 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 20:12:14 -0700 Subject: More Best of 97 Message-ID: >Torgo wrote: >>Is THAT what that sucker was? That baby got lodged in my e-mail account and >>I had to have the good men and women at my ISP get in there physically and >>DELETE it, kind of an internet enema. Problem is I lost all my mail that >>was kinda "stuck behind it" too. Needless to say I did my own fair share of >>swearing yesterday. Glad to see all is normal again. >> >>Hope it doesn't happen again, I really don't want to unsubscribe yet. > >THIS is why, Kevin. Not because we're selfish dweebs who don't want to see >anything in our mailbox except what we deem interesting. Let me repeat myself: "Sorry, I won't do it again." This was based on some amount of ignorance on my part, as I've sent and received large files a good number of times with no problem on either end, and assumed (there's that word) that the same would be the case here. >As far as the "religion vs. rock 'n' roll" thread, it was clearly marked >"OFF:", but maybe you don't want to learn how to set filters on boc-l. Yes, and there are plenty marked "OFF:" which pertain to Hawkwind or are otherwise interesting. And it has absolutely nothing to do with "learning", as I tend to learn pretty well. For example, I learned that a fast internet connection is good, and that I have my choice of ISPs. >BTW, none of the posts concerning "r vs. r&r" were greater than 5k (as far >as I remember), and only take about 2 seconds to download, and don't lock up >network mail servers. I could only wish that the network servers were listening, because this isn't 1982 anymore, and 551k isn't all that big; it SHOULDN'T lock anything up. Yours was 551k, and for what? So we could hear Brock >say something like "Hold on John, it's gonna be a second"??? >Oh well, maybe it was worth it for someone. What he said was "...there's going to be a second", as in a second Hawkwind-attended American Spacerock festival. I was at Strange Daze 97, and as seeing Hawkwind is a rare and special treat, one that I appreciate (to say the least) to the fullest, and to hear Dave's enthusiasm for that Festival and a promise for another one, well, to me that's a good thing, one that I wanted to share. And that's why I sent it, not to piss anyone off or cause any problems. End of story. (any questions, see my first line of this post) Kevin Sommers From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri Dec 19 18:01:02 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:01:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Drummers list In-Reply-To: <199712191517.KAA16399@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: At 10:17 19.12.97 -0500, you wrote: >1. Richard Chadwick - the most versatile and 'appropriate' drummer HW has had >2. Ginger Baker - I'm with Steve L. on this one, at least partially. I >think his 'performance' on Levitation is one of the reasons that's such >a great album. But then he was only on that one studio album, and his >style wouldn't suit much else of HW's. Also, reports of him fronting >his own HW following his sacking suggest that he's a real loser as a person. >3. Simon King >4. Martin Griffin >5. Alan Powell >6. Terry Ollis >7. Danny Thompson (THUMP-thwack-THUMP-thwack ad nauseum....) I agree 100% with Keith Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Dec 20 08:23:18 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 14:23:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour progs! In-Reply-To: <199712191913.TAA23748@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Jill >I've been waiting for someone else to do this but apparently not so here >are some descriptions: Many thanks for the descriptions. I wanted to do it by myself but I think that my English is not good enough But I want to try to describe the programms you do not have Here they are: >> Glastonbury 1981 Standard size. B/W with red letters on the front side. 4 pages. Few pictures (no HW) and some maps. Nothing about HW. Only a time table >> Monemore Festival 1982 Standard size. Complete coloured. 8 pages. 7 sides contain HW with text and picture. Front page with a Boris Valejo like phantasy drawing >> Monsters Of Rock 1982 Larger than standard size (like the Sonic Attac prog). Complete coloured. 16 pages. Lots of pictures and infos. 3 sides about HW with pics and text. Very good program >> Reading Festival 1986 Standard size- Complete coloured. 18 pages. Lots of pictures and infos. 2 sides about HW with one b/w pic and text. Very good program Bernhard From micci at SCI.FI Sat Dec 20 09:43:29 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:43:29 +0200 Subject: HW:Warrior Message-ID: Hi! One of my finnish hawkfrends has a problem. He have original Warrior Of.. album german printing, but there is no printed inner sleeve but two side insert. So is this copy or was there actually also printing where was insert? It looks like same that original inner sleeve. Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Sat Dec 20 15:12:14 1997 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:12:14 +0000 Subject: HW:Warrior Message-ID: In reply to Miikka Wagener: I have a German copy of the Warrior at the edge of time foldout, my copy also has a two sided printed sheet, it has exactly the same information as the normal inner sleeve. It probably also has a slightly different catalog number than the uk release. eldritch From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Dec 20 15:32:02 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:32:02 +0100 Subject: HW:Warrior In-Reply-To: <349C269D.45097606@ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: >I have a German copy of the Warrior at the edge of time foldout, my copy >also has a >two sided printed sheet, it has exactly the same information as the >normal inner sleeve. >It probably also has a slightly different catalog number than the uk >release. > >eldritch Ah, just when I'd mentioned your awful drumming on those early Sisters EPs....! :) From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Dec 20 15:50:34 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:50:34 PST Subject: BOC Reformation NEWS Message-ID: Did anyone see Kerrang?? The Blue Oyster Cult reformed with a new megabucks record deal? If we BOC-Ler's haven't heard, I understand, contractual reasons et al., but if it's a load of bullshit, I'd like to hear it from the horse's mouth. I don't like the press rubbishing our icons by printing spurious stories. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Sat Dec 20 16:02:18 1997 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:02:18 +0000 Subject: HW:Warrior Message-ID: In reply to cannibal: I thought my drumming on those early sisters eps was great. Glitter band mk2! ;-) The role model for our bassist, Craig Adams, was Lemmy....how could we go wrong! ;-) p.s. and my copy of Warrior is autographed by Mike Moorcock...so there!!!! eldritch From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Dec 20 17:53:05 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:53:05 +0100 Subject: HW:Warrior In-Reply-To: <349C3259.B66260C4@ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: At 21:02 20.12.97 +0000, eldritch wrote: >I thought my drumming on those early sisters eps was great. Glitter band >mk2! ;-) You and mr. Thompson can kick mr. Baker's ass any day! >The role model for our bassist, Craig Adams, was Lemmy....how could we >go wrong! ;-) Cracked me up reading those liner notes - Hawkwind, an influence on the Sisters - of course...??? >p.s. and my copy of Warrior is autographed by Mike Moorcock...so >there!!!! Poo! I have a Moorcock autographed Hawkmoon comic than Jon "pops" Browne sent me (I'm still gettin something off to ya Jon!) and a ticket stub Lemmy autographed (luckily I made an arse out of myself to him AFTER he autographed it) So there! cannibal skipper PS: I don't believe you are THE mr. Eldritch for a second anyway! ;) "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating and taking over." - the surreal McCoy From torgo at NORWICH.NET Sat Dec 20 18:05:30 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:05:30 -0500 Subject: tBS: Malpractise Message-ID: The Brain Surgeons: Malpractise. "Covering" all the bases. It seems like all of my favorite bands are ganging up on me. One by one each and every band that I really like is releasing the same type of album; The "Super Compilation". Queen did it, King's X hurled one into the ring, and now The Brain Surgeons have done it. These albums, well put together compilations of previously released material plus a handful of new songs, are more than mere "Greatest Hits" packages. In fact, the latest offering from The Brain Surgeons, is much MUCH more than that. The new Brain Surgeons album "Malpractise" is a compilation with a difference. Malpractise (1997 Cellsum Records) contains twelve songs by the same Brain Surgeons lineup as the previous two releases; Deb Frost, Billy Hilfiger, Peter Bohovesky, David Hirschberg and of course Blue Oyster Cult veteran Albert Bouchard. Eight of theses songs were previously available ONLY on special fan club limited cassettes, and four of them are brand-spankin' new. The album is a strange concoction of songs that don't quite fit together, yet oddly enough work well with each other. Songs shift from acoustic versions of Blue Oyster Cult and Brain Surgeons favorites from the past to hard and heavy cover versions of songs from other bands. The CD cover, which features a humorous play on the title of the album, is once again done by Steve Brodner, who has done the graphics for the first three Brain Surgeons albums. The album kicks off proper with "Needle Gun" and it is by far one of the best songs on the album. Previously recorded by Hawkwind, the song was recommended to the Brain Surgeons by the late Robert Rudich, a good friend of mine who was as also as big a Brain Surgeons fan as they come. The Brain Surgeons not only decided that the tune was a natural for them to cover, but they have also fittingly dedicated the album to Mr. Rudich. And so, keeping this in mind as I tore open the CD and dropped it in the player, I made sure my volume level was bumped up a few notches from where I normally have it set, and pressed the play button. As I stood my ground at point blank range to my speakers, poised and ready to start dodging the speaker grilles that almost threatened to come flying at my head, the opening chords of "Needle Gun" had their way with me. The song is raucous and riotous, with a "crunchier than crunchy" guitar assault that would make even my 94 year old Grandmother take to a table-top and start doing air-guitar licks. As always, Deb Frost's vocals sound deliciously wicked and nasty. Like it says in the chorus "It's gonna make you numb"!! Staying true with the Hawkwind theme, the band also covers "Hassan I Sahba", which combines the kick-to-the crotch attitude of "Needle Gun" with the Middle Eastern atmosphere of "Lil Egypt" from the previous Brain Surgeons release, "Box of Hammers". Not my pick for sing-along of the week (hell, I can't understand a word they are saying) but a frenetic, frantic, and frenzied song all the same. A few other "F" words might also have helped describe how much I like it. The album also has two other new offerings. "The Girl That Love Made Blind" is a melodic little strummer of a tune that was originally written to be part of the IMAGINOS saga, but didn't make the final cut. While not sounding like anything that appeared on Imaginos (it has more of the feel of BOC's Redeemed"), its inclusion on Imaginos might have worked nicely as a dramatic shift in music style to help break up the album. This is the very effect the song has on Malpractise. The last new song is "Tour Spiel", another solid, heavy tune featuring Albert on vocals and one of the deepest and rumbling guitar riffs in a Brain Surgeons song since "Happy New Year" from the Surgeons 1995 release "Trepanation." As for the songs that were previously unavailable on CD, they have never sounded better. The first thing that hit me when I heard the opening chords (and Albert's classic thunking and pounding of the skins) of "Ciudades Y Navidades", was how this CD sounds so much better than the original recording of it that appeared on the limited cassette "Career of Christmas". The song sounded GREAT then, now it's enough to make the hairs on my neck stand up and start slapping at each other. This Spanish sung Christmas version of Blue Oyster Cult's "Cities on Flame" celebrates the joy and wonder of the holiday season...... and then kicks it a few times with steel-toed boots until it whimpers and cowers. If there is one thing this album points out, it's a reminder that Albert Bouchard was a force to be reckoned with when he was a member of Blue Oyster Cult. And now that he is on his own there is still nobody that knows the songs he wrote with BOC better than him. Right along side the other two Blue Oyster Cult songs from Career of Christmas-"Career of Evil" and "Baby Ice Dog", are a handful of BOC covers and Brain Surgeons songs done entirely acoustic. Originally appearing on another fan club cassette called "Pull The Plug", these songs provide a unique slant on some of the best Brain Surgeons and BOC songs from the past. "Name Your Monster" finds Deb Frost's vocals strange and hypnotic, and the new version (and BEST version, in my humble opinion) of the BOC classic "Death Valley Nights" show that whether it be smooth or crunchy, the Brain Surgeons have got it covered. Yet the album is somewhat incomplete. While it does contain most of the Brain Surgeons material previously available only on rare cassettes, the ommision of two of the songs from "Pull the Plug" makes me wonder why they were not included. Perhaps the songs can find their way onto a future disk One can only hope. And since this is the ONLY negative aspect of the album, it hardly takes away from how nice a package it really is in my CD collection. So is Malpractise ALL cover versions? Well, that's a hard call to make. Certainly the Hawkwind and Mike Watt songs are covers. But what about the Blue Oyster Cult songs? They are technically from another band's collection, yet they WERE all written partly (if not totally in some cases) by Albert Bouchard himself. Then there are the new acoustic versions of other Brain Surgeons tunes. Some might say an entire collection of recycled (for lack of a better term) music, others may see it as an entirely new collection. I don't care either way, I just know it SMOKES. So if you find yourself needing to put a label on this album, you might have a hard time doing it. Thinking about it long enough is enough to send sane men scampering into the treetops. That's OK though, I can always use the company up here. Robert (Torgo) Sedler torgo at norwich.net From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Sat Dec 20 18:10:03 1997 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:10:03 +0000 Subject: HW:Warrior Message-ID: Reply to Cannibal: Didn't you ever hear the sisters cover version of silver machine? eldritch(hey I got stuck with the name.....old goths never die they just look like they have) I've got a letter from Richard Chadwick does that count! ;-) From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Dec 20 18:39:29 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:39:29 +0100 Subject: HW:Warrior In-Reply-To: <349C504B.95C32D41@ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: At 23:10 20.12.97 +0000, eldritch wrote: >Didn't you ever hear the sisters cover version of silver machine? NO!!! WHERE!!!?? Tell me MORE! Sisters were one of the earliest "real" bands I got into... (heh....) Hawkwind was the first REALLY REAL band a few years later... Must be awesome... heard the Alien Sex Fiend version? >eldritch(hey I got stuck with the name.....old goths never die they just >look like they have) Well, that's the idea. Coulda turned into one myself, a sorry spud growing up in the depressingly dystopian 80s. Thank god I didn't :-)) I look like shit anyhow! Ever get a piece o' Siouxie Souix BTW? That "Dear Prudence" video... ah... >I've got a letter from Richard Chadwick does that count! ;-) Hmm, ok. But is it proof eh? I got a letter from The Legendary Stardust Cowboy and an autographed 7" of his "My Underwear Froze To The Clothesline/Standing In a Trashcan Thinking Of You". Does it prove anything? near-gothic cannibal skipper NP: Sisters Of Mercy - Floodland ha! From raider at PIPELINE.COM Sat Dec 20 19:01:32 1997 From: raider at PIPELINE.COM (Brian Frenck) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:01:32 -0500 Subject: BOC Reformation NEWS In-Reply-To: <19971220205034.15356.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At 12:50 PM 12/20/97 PST, you wrote: >Did anyone see Kerrang?? > No. >The Blue Oyster Cult reformed with a new megabucks record deal? > Reformed as in the original lineup or reform as in the badn that's been going on tour for the past couple years? >If we BOC-Ler's haven't heard, I understand, contractual reasons et al., >but if it's a load of bullshit, I'd like to hear it from the horse's >mouth. >I don't like the press rubbishing our icons by printing spurious >stories. Well i'd have to hear more information before I can judge. It's no secret that BOC has been looking for a good record contract for quite a while. (that's one of the main reasons Ezekiels Wheel hasn't been released yet.) If Kerrang is saying it's the original lineup, I'd be VERY hesitant to believe it as both of the Bouchard brothers have other gigs going now, both of which have said that the likelihood of a reunion is EXTREMELY slim. And seeing how Al has said that Brain Surgeons is much more happening than BOC, I don't know if he'd go back (also seeing how he was booted from the band, then got screwed over in the Imaginos deal.) Did Kerrang give any specifics on the record company or anything like that? If ya could, can ya print out the article? ----------------------------------------------------------- Whether it's On Your Feet Or On Your Knees, you gotta visit Imaginos, A Blue Oyster Cult Page http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1615/index.html ----------------------------------------------------------- From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Dec 20 19:49:29 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 01:49:29 +0100 Subject: tBS: Malpractise In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971220180530.00735054@norwich.net> Message-ID: At 18:05 20.12.97 -0500, Torgo wrote: >The album kicks off proper with "Needle Gun" and it is by far one of the >best songs on the album....... >opening chords of "Needle Gun" had their way with me. The song is raucous >and riotous, with a >"crunchier than crunchy" guitar assault....... >Staying true with the Hawkwind >theme, the band also covers "Hassan I Sahba", which combines the >kick-to-the crotch attitude of "Needle Gun" with the Middle Eastern >atmosphere... Allright point the way! Sheesh, mr. Bouchard & co. will do anything to get us on the "other" side of BOC-L to slap down some dough! Well I'm ready!!!!!! Christian From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Sat Dec 20 20:53:48 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:53:48 -0500 Subject: tBS: Malpractise In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971220180530.00735054@norwich.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Dec 1997, Torgo wrote: > very effect the song has on Malpractise. The last new song is "Tour Spiel", > another solid, heavy tune featuring Albert on vocals and one of the deepest > and rumbling guitar riffs in a Brain Surgeons song since "Happy New Year" > from the Surgeons 1995 release "Trepanation." Isn't "Tour Spiel" available on the Various Artists D. Boon/Minutemen tribute CD _Our Band Could Be Your Life_, or is this a newly recorded version? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Fu Manchu, _The Action is Go_ e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Dec 20 13:31:51 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:31:51 +0000 Subject: HW: Drummers list In-Reply-To: <349A9C17.7549DA8@elnet.msk.ru> Message-ID: Dmitri wrote: >Baker just doesn't have power in his drums. His drumming is ok >for any soft rock band but not for Hawkwind. > ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I don't actually feel qualified to comment on Ginger's appropriateness as a Hwkwind drummer, and I'm not universally a big fan of his, but to say "no power" or "ok for any soft rock band" is truly beyond belief. I suggest you listen to "No Material" ITM 1435 - it's under Ginger's name, but it's really a "let's have a thrash & see what happens" band that played just three gigs over about a week. The other musicians were:- Sonny Sharrock - guitar Peter Br?tzmann - saxophones Nicky Skopelitis - guitar Jan Kazda - bass I suppose they could also have called themselves "not Last Exit" :-{/> Truly scary music! ChrisW ObCD: obvious really! From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Dec 21 20:35:53 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:35:53 -0500 Subject: HW: Heard on Space Ritual Message-ID: Hi Folks... Last night I was listening to SR (remastered CD) on the headphones as I was laying to call it a night. Anyway, as Down Through the Night was just kicking in, I swear I could hear Dave's voice singing 'Down, Down, and Down' or 'Round, Round, and Round' or whatever, very very faintly, before his voice finally booms in. It was almost like he was singing into a dead microphone before someone caught on (himself maybe) and plugged him in, so to speak. I tried hearing the same thing on my old vinyl copy and couldn't really tell if it was evident there, or whether I 'believed' I could hear it because of what I heard on the new remasters. Anyway, perhaps this is why the lyrics in the live version start in differently than those on Doremi. Anyone else notice this?? Kind of reminds me of certain vinyl records that will 'foreshadow' the beginning of a track at either the start of the side, or in one of the black holes. I remember Heartbreaker on LZ II was one in particular where I could always hear Page's riff start in about a second before it actually did. Not being a physics major, I could never explain it entirely, but I figure it has to do with friction between the stylus and the 'empty' groove adjacent to the one with the opening bit of music. It must be 'activating' the signal from the groove next door and then the signal leaks back and is picked up by the stylus. I should go now and put on the LZ II CD I have and make sure I don't hear it there. :) I wouldn't think that would happen with laser-read optical encoding. Anyway, this obviously has nothing to do with Down Through the Night. Also, just before The Black Corridor starts in, it seems like somebody shouts out 'Where's the Ghost?' or something. It's not obvious who's voice this is, i.e., whether it's from the stage or the audience, but I wonder if one of the dancers/stage characters (Stacia and the like) missed their cue. Well, just wondering about these things on a (not so) cold December night. Thanks to El Nino I suppose. Keith H. (FAA) From hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET Sun Dec 21 20:52:38 1997 From: hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET (Jerome Kekatos) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:52:38 -0600 Subject: Fw: Re: HW:Warrior Message-ID: >eldritch wrote: > >>Didn't you ever hear the sisters cover version of silver machine? > >NO!!! WHERE!!!?? Tell me MORE! > > >Must be awesome... heard the Alien Sex Fiend version? > >near-gothic cannibal skipper > This sisters (of mercy?) cover; on a rare disc? Has anybody ever compiled a covers list. Didyaknow there's a Pop Will Eat Itself Orgone Accumulator cover... (and pwei ripped the do-not-panic sample for their Satellite Ecstatica)... just got me thinking... There was a midwest band that I heard about 15 years ago doing Magmu. From ike1 at MAIL1.I1.NET Sun Dec 21 22:05:28 1997 From: ike1 at MAIL1.I1.NET (Ed Eichendorf) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:05:28 -0600 Subject: HW: Heard on Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <199712220135.UAA04753@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: > Hi Folks... > > Last night I was listening to SR (remastered CD) on the headphones as I was > laying to call it a night. Anyway, as Down Through the Night was just > kicking in, I swear I could hear Dave's voice singing 'Down, Down, and Down' > or 'Round, Round, and Round' or whatever, very very faintly, before his > voice finally booms in. It was almost like he was singing into a dead > microphone before someone caught on (himself maybe) and plugged him in, so > to speak. I tried hearing the same thing on my old vinyl copy and couldn't > really tell if it was evident there, or whether I 'believed' I could hear it > because of what I heard on the new remasters. Anyway, perhaps this is why > the lyrics in the live version start in differently than those on Doremi. > Anyone else notice this?? > > Kind of reminds me of certain vinyl records that will 'foreshadow' the > beginning of a track at either the start of the side, or in one of the black > holes. I remember Heartbreaker on LZ II was one in particular where I could > always hear Page's riff start in about a second before it actually did. Not > being a physics major, I could never explain it entirely, but I figure it > has to do with friction between the stylus and the 'empty' groove adjacent > to the one with the opening bit of music. It must be 'activating' the > signal from the groove next door and then the signal leaks back and is > picked up by the stylus. I should go now and put on the LZ II CD I have and I have a much simpler explanation. More than likely the 'foreshadowing' is the result of recording on the tape, not liking the results, rewinding the tape and then recording over the tape again. In other words the erase head didn't erase the previous signal entirely. Makes a lot more sense than an empty groove activating a phono pickup. > make sure I don't hear it there. :) I wouldn't think that would happen > with laser-read optical encoding. Anyway, this obviously has nothing to do > with Down Through the Night. > > Also, just before The Black Corridor starts in, it seems like somebody > shouts out 'Where's the Ghost?' or something. It's not obvious who's voice > this is, i.e., whether it's from the stage or the audience, but I wonder if > one of the dancers/stage characters (Stacia and the like) missed their cue. > > Well, just wondering about these things on a (not so) cold December night. > Thanks to El Nino I suppose. > > Keith H. (FAA) > > -- Ed Eichendorf ...drawn up between the Ambassadors from Plutonia and ike1 at i1.net Desdinova, the foreign minister. These treaties founded a secret science from the stars. Astronomy. The career of evil. From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Mon Dec 22 00:56:42 1997 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:56:42 -0700 Subject: Where is Bolle? Message-ID: Anybody know where Bolle is? I ordered the bound version of Morning Final issues 1-10 back in September and haven't seen it yet, nor a cancelled check in my bank statement. I got no response to my email 6 weeks ago. Anybody know anything? Thanks. James Coburn Albuquerque, NM From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Dec 22 01:37:54 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 01:37:54 EST Subject: Where is Bolle? Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-22 00:59:17 EST, you write: << Anybody know where Bolle is? I ordered the bound version of Morning Final issues 1-10 back in September and haven't seen it yet, nor a cancelled check in my bank statement. I got no response to my email 6 weeks ago. Anybody know anything? Thanks. >> He's been posting at the Brain Surgeons board the past few days, so he's still around. Try e-mailing him at TUBULAR1. SET From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 22 06:02:36 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:02:36 GMT Subject: Fw: Re: HW:Warrior In-Reply-To: Jerome Kekatos's message of Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:52:38 -0600 Message-ID: Jerome Kekatos writes: > Has anybody ever compiled a covers list. Haven't these youngsters heard of The Great BOC-L Cover Tapes Project? > Didyaknow there's a Pop Will Eat > Itself Orgone Accumulator cover I do believe that's on the tapes. Say, isn't there enough new material for a fifth tape yet? FoFP From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Dec 22 06:04:40 1997 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:04:40 +0200 Subject: HW: Covers Message-ID: Hej, Well, here are some of the ones off the top of my head that were not on the last set of four tapes: Architectural Metaphor- The Golden Void Amorphis- Brain Surgeons- Needle Gun and Hassan I Sabha Born to Go- ? Pseudo Sun- Assault and Battery/Golden Void There must be others? SCott ObCD- Doors- Live in New York from 4CD box set R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 37 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From makila at IKI.FI Mon Dec 22 07:44:28 1997 From: makila at IKI.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:44:28 +0200 Subject: HW: Heard on Space Ritual In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:35:53 EST." <199712220135.UAA04753@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Keith's message dated: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:35:53 EST > > Last night I was listening to SR (remastered CD) on the headphones as I was > laying to call it a night. Anyway, as Down Through the Night was just > kicking in, I swear I could hear Dave's voice singing 'Down, Down, and Down' > or 'Round, Round, and Round' or whatever, very very faintly, before his > voice finally booms in. It was almost like he was singing into a dead > microphone before someone caught on (himself maybe) and plugged him in, so > to speak. I tried hearing the same thing on my old vinyl copy and couldn't > really tell if it was evident there, or whether I 'believed' I could hear it > because of what I heard on the new remasters. Anyway, perhaps this is why > the lyrics in the live version start in differently than those on Doremi. > Anyone else notice this?? Yep. I th?nk it's quite audible on the vinyl version too. At least I think that I noticed it on one of the first times I heard that, and that was the vinyl version. I've always thought that that was some mistake by Dave or the Sound Guy. They probably were too stoned to notice such minor things. //niko From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Dec 22 09:37:52 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:37:52 -0600 Subject: tBS: Malpractise Message-ID: Torgo>The album kicks off proper with "Needle Gun" and it is by far one of the best songs on the album. Previously recorded by Hawkwind, the song was recommended to the Brain Surgeons by the late Robert Rudich, a good friend of mine who was as also as big a Brain Surgeons fan as they come. The Brain Surgeons not only decided that the tune was a natural for them to cover, but they have also fittingly dedicated the album to Mr. Rudich. Often it is necesarry to look in a dictionary where this band is concerned. Here's a more complelling reason to consult Webster's; the definition of "class", probably has a picture of this band next to it. Heard they included something about Rudy but dedicating the disc...well , hard to type through the tears... Three cheers for tBS T-man>So if you find yourself needing to put a label on this album, you might have a hard time doing it. Thinking about it long enough is enough to send sane men scampering into the treetops. That's OK though, I can always use the company up here. Ah so now we know where you hang out between random posts. 8>) lil ab OBCD - Galactic Cowboys, Space in Your Face "When I look up at the stars at night what could I find beyond the light, a hundred million worlds we ignore." - Pleadies , King's X From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Dec 22 09:48:15 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:48:15 -0600 Subject: BOC Reformation NEWS Message-ID: >Did anyone see Kerrang?? Nope. Do they have a website? >The Blue Oyster Cult reformed with a new megabucks record deal? Howls. Yeah right. Al is tBS, Joe is doing his thing and Allan, Eric, and Buck are still on the road under the BOC flag. What reformation? >If we BOC-Ler's haven't heard, I understand, contractual reasons et al., but if it's a load of bullshit, I'd like to hear it from the horse's mouth. Unless Eric or Buck were saying this directly its likely to be bullshit. Any news on the chat lines to verify any of this? >I don't like the press rubbishing our icons by printing spurious stories. Agreed. But maybe they do have some industry insider information that supports the story. Really if this is a european mag maybe there is a logical explanation. Perhaps they were unaware that BOC has continued to tour the "gin joint" circuit throughout the US for many years now. Plausible, since the band rarely appears in Europe anymore and I doubt that "Summer Wheeze" would get heavy hype in Europe. As for a "megabucks" deal thats HIGHLY unlikely. EW is done for the most part but a mega deal wouldn't be based on a single effort, they'd have to convince a company that there was more in the old gas tank and it (other material) has a decent chance of making good numbers (read $dollars). >Chris. Have to take a look to see if I can find this mag. Is this the latest issue Chris? lil ab OBCD - Devil in the Details, Saigon Kick "I saw the future dressed as a stranger, love in a space-dye vest" - Dream Theater From micci at SCI.FI Mon Dec 22 10:10:32 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:10:32 +0200 Subject: HW:DH format Message-ID: Hi! Finaly DH and 1999 arrival in Finland, so my Xmas is saved. About DH, music is great, but format ain?t. I want Vinyl! Anyway, Psycedelic Xmas and Cosmic New Year for everybody. btw. I also saw Greasy Tucker Party 2cd, price was about 26 pound, if someone is interest. Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Dec 22 10:23:31 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:23:31 -0500 Subject: BOC: Reformation in Kerrang Message-ID: There is no way this is a total BOC reformation. I can _almost_ believe that this could be true as pertains to 3OC not having an album of new material out for so long (therefore, the reformation reference.) Why would Kerrang write a sensationalist story about BOC? Are there enough of us fans out there to make it worthwhile? Would it increase sales of that particular issue? I wonder. I'm not terribly familiar with Kerrang, except for mentions of reviews of BOC and HW material. Are they a reputable source? Does it seem like they check their facts before printing? If this report is true, I can definately forgive the band for waiting so long to release Ezekiel's Wheel. And it's going to be a wonderful Christmas this year! Is anyone monitoring the AOL boards for further info from Bolle or others? Brian OBgig> BOC at Sylvan Beach, NY Summer '97 From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 22 10:07:32 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:07:32 +0800 Subject: HW: Heard on Space Ritual Message-ID: >Kind of reminds me of certain vinyl records that will 'foreshadow' the >beginning of a track at either the start of the side, or in one of the black >holes. I remember Heartbreaker on LZ II was one in particular where I could >always hear Page's riff start in about a second before it actually did. I've noticed this on some tracks as well. Another Zep track I've heard it on is the Immigrant Song, and I believe it's on the CD as well. I also noticed it on the album version of Whole Lotta Love. William From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Dec 22 10:19:30 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:19:30 +0100 Subject: More Best of 1997 Message-ID: Steve writes: > >> obCD: Kyuss, _Queens of the Stone Age_ > >WHAT THE HELL IS THIS? Are Kyuss back together? > Steve, Steve.... calm down... Do you use an anti-Daniel filter in your mailprogram? :-) I mailed about this weeks ago. Take a look in the archives - it's all there. ...and, no, they're not back together... :-( - Daniel Wikdahl ObSong: Kyuss "Un Sandpiper" "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 22 10:13:07 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:13:07 +0800 Subject: HW: Covers Message-ID: There's some incidental music heard throughout the current season of Red Dwarf (In Tikka to Ride, when they walk down the deserted Dallas streets, and find a dead body, also in the episode that starts with Lister as a baby being found under a snooker table) which is identical to the end piece of TV Suicide. William From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 22 09:26:02 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:26:02 EDT Subject: BOC Reformation NEWS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > Agreed. But maybe they do have some industry insider information that > supports the story. Really if this is a european mag maybe there is a > logical explanation. Perhaps they were unaware that BOC has continued > to tour the "gin joint" circuit throughout the US for many years now. > Plausible, since the band rarely appears in Europe anymore and I doubt This is quite likely what has happened, though I'm a bit surprised that a rag like Kerrang would step on its dick like this. They're pretty big BOC fans and should know what the band's been up to [or not!] Must be somebody heard of a deal to get EW released, and then extrapolated from there? > that "Summer Wheeze" would get heavy hype in Europe. As for a > "megabucks" deal thats HIGHLY unlikely. EW is done for the most part > but a mega deal wouldn't be based on a single effort, they'd have to > convince a company that there was more in the old gas tank and it (other > material) has a decent chance of making good numbers (read $dollars). > BEsides, nobody is giving mega-bucks to wheezers nowadays, exc. somebody like the Stones [insult to lump BOC in with them!] or maybe ZZ Top, who can actually still make interesting records. The only way I see 3OC getting even a decent deal would be somebody like Metal Blade or CMC, but there'd be no megabucks involved... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 22 09:29:43 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:29:43 EDT Subject: BOC: Reformation in Kerrang In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76012DDA@BPXSV> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > > OBgig> BOC at Sylvan Beach, NY Summer '97 That was a great one fer sure. My fave this year had to be Vernon, though. While they didn't headline, and only played an hour, it was great seeing them rock out in front of 25,000 toasted rockers who definitely appreciated the band like the old days... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 22 10:31:22 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:31:22 -0500 Subject: tBS: Malpractise Message-ID: Another classic from Torgo - I'll have to update my website... I wait in eager anticipation for my copy of *Malpractise* - hopefully in time for the holidays. I'll echo Torgo's sentiments about not including ALL the "Pull the Plug" tunes on the CD --> Al, please make sure they show up on a future CD release, 'cuz I'm paranoid about wearing out my "Pull the Plug" tape! John From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Dec 22 10:36:37 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 07:36:37 PST Subject: BOC Reformation NEWS Message-ID: I will check out the mag down the newsagents tonite, so I'll post the full text of the ad at around 11pm GMT. Chris. P.S. Mad Al - WHERE ARE YOU?? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 22 10:42:48 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:42:48 -0500 Subject: BOC Reformation NEWS Message-ID: O.K. as far as the "reformation" goes, here's the deal as I know it: The original line-up has NOT (and as I've said, probably will never) reformed. I'm sure the article refers to what Eric has recently (within the past few days) posted on AOL -- BOC presumably has a deal for the upcoming album. It will be handled by CMC International (the same guys that put out the Summerdaze CD), although presumably SVP will handle foreign sales. Also, according to Eric, the album will NOT be titled, "Ezekiel's Wheel" (which, IMHO, is a mistake - but then again, I'll take it in a plain black sleeve, just like Spinal Tap's "Smell The Glove"). Rumours about a March-timeframe release still abound, but no "official" word that I know of yet. John From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Dec 22 10:41:51 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 07:41:51 PST Subject: HW: Heard on Space Ritual Message-ID: >I've noticed this on some tracks as well. Another Zep track I've heard it on >is the Immigrant Song, and I believe it's on the CD as well. I also noticed >it on the album version of Whole Lotta Love. > >William > It's funny y'awl should be talkin' about this, 'cos I've noticed this on cassette versions of ZZ Top's Rio Grande Mud (Best Album Ever?) and Zep's "Led Zeppelin". I had assumed it was just magnetic cross-talk occurring on really old cassettes, but Vinyl and CD??? Have we a professional on the list? Enquiring minds need to know!! Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 22 10:48:28 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:48:28 -0500 Subject: More Best of 97 Message-ID: >As far as the "religion vs. rock 'n' roll" thread, it was clearly marked "OFF:", but maybe you don't want to learn how to set filters on boc-l. Keep in mind that the OFF filter is not a license for us to post whatever we want to BOC-L. Our moderator will hopefully correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that it is "supposed" to be used for either sort of one-time off-topic postings, or topics which aren't related to BOC/HW/related, but presumably still have some relevance (one can argue that the "religion vs rock" thread is therefore a legit off-topic topic) -- but it's also my understanding that OFF topic discussions should in general should not be extended discussions (which the "religion vs rock" thread clearly turned into). I'm not trying to be heavy-handed here - I'm just posting my interpretation of the rules we are expected to play by. In particular with the OFF topic, I think a lot of us don't want to "turn off" the OFF topic filter because we stand to miss something substantial, but don't expect our mail to be dominated by OFF topic stuff. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 22 09:56:18 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:56:18 EDT Subject: HW: Heard on Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <199712221541.HAA15971@f131.hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Horse Whisperer > > It's funny y'awl should be talkin' about this, 'cos I've noticed this on > cassette versions of ZZ Top's Rio Grande Mud (Best Album Ever?) and Right church, wrong pew! I'd put Tres Hombres in that category for certain. Chris, you'll have to eat yer heart out here: I was second row dead-on in front of Billy this summer. But I think best ever would be a 3-way tie betw. first 3 BOC albums, with Fly By Night a close second... > Zep's "Led Zeppelin". > I had assumed it was just magnetic cross-talk occurring on really old > cassettes, but Vinyl and CD??? > > Have we a professional on the list? Enquiring minds need to know!! > > Chris. > You're more likely to hear a false echo happen, where sound bleeds through the tape onto tape right under it on the reel, after the original, not before... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Dec 22 10:56:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:56:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Covers In-Reply-To: William Duffy's mail of Mon, 22 Dec 97 23:13 +0800 Message-ID: At a classical concert a couple of months ago, I noticed a chord sequence in Stravinsky's The Rite Of Spring that was identical to Photo Encounter! Dave. On 22 Dec 15:13, William Duffy wrote: > There's some incidental music heard throughout the current season of Red > Dwarf (In Tikka to Ride, when they walk down the deserted Dallas streets, > and find a dead body, also in the episode that starts with Lister as a baby > being found under a snooker table) which is identical to the end piece of TV > Suicide. > > William -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 22 11:00:46 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:00:46 -0500 Subject: BRAIN, BOC: Billy Hilfiger Message-ID: I forget exactly what has been posted here, but I wish to update some of you on the status of tBS and X-Brothers guitarist Billy Hilfiger -- Albert, please feel free to provide more information or corrections as you see fit and as your time allows (I know you've got all those orders to fill, plus an upcoming gig, and well it is the Holidays and all): As I believe you all know, Billy was found last summer to have a brain tumor. When he was checked out recently, it was discovered that it had grown larger, and therefore needed to be removed pronto. Soon after the (most excellent, from the reviews I've seen) tBS show in Elmira earlier this month, Billy had surgery -- from what I understand, he had excellent doctors (as a Brain Surgeon should), and the operation was successful. A week after the operation, Billy was back on-line posting to the tBS board on AOL -- he indicated that his tumor was found to be malignant, and he will therefore be undergoing chemotherapy and radiation, but he has a very positive outlook, and is determined to beat this. I don't know if he will be playing with tBS at their upcoming gig on the 26th, but that was his intent. Just thought all you tBS fans should know -- keep Billy in your thoughts and prayers, and if you'd care to send him a card, Deb says to send them to Cellsum Records: Cellsum P.O. Box 1070 Fort George Station New York, N.Y. 10040-9998 John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 22 10:03:02 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:03:02 EDT Subject: BOC Reformation NEWS In-Reply-To: <199712221542.KAA24148@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > > The original line-up has NOT (and as I've said, probably will never) > reformed. I'm sure the article refers to what Eric has recently (within The Hot Rails to Hell will freeze before that happens! > the past few days) posted on AOL -- BOC presumably has a deal for the > upcoming album. It will be handled by CMC International (the same guys As soon as I saw BOC was on Summerdaze, I suspected this would happen. This is the perfect label for BOC at this point. They supply reasonable support for their bands, and give them plenty of leeway for creativity. Should be a good match... > that put out the Summerdaze CD), although presumably SVP will handle > foreign sales. Also, according to Eric, the album will NOT be titled, > "Ezekiel's Wheel" (which, IMHO, is a mistake - but then again, I'll take > I was never in love with that title, though my fave flick features a line from Ez. prominently... > it in a plain black sleeve, just like Spinal Tap's "Smell The Glove"). > > Rumours about a March-timeframe release still abound, but no "official" > word that I know of yet. > > John Oh, March was right...just not sure what year! ob:bummer--predictions of big-time snow storm for this thurs-fri...shit, shit, shit! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From AgentOF at AOL.COM Mon Dec 22 11:06:12 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Agent OF) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:06:12 EST Subject: BOC: Record Deals Message-ID: I guess I missed some of this thread, but if it hasn't been posted yet, BOC signed with CMC International for the North and South American Distribution, and parts of the Far East. SVP will handle the rest of the world. And the title is not going to be Ezekiel's Wheel. Sorry if this has been posted before. Also, Buck posted on the BOC coollist that the Benefit Concert audio was on deck to do, and that he has about a half of an album for another solo project to be worked around the BOC schedule. chuck http://www.ultrawave.com/rose/ Miracles DO Happen, Take One The Ricky Browning Benefit Concert Featuring The Buck Dharma Band From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Dec 22 11:35:58 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:35:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: More Best of 97 Message-ID: At 10:48 AM 12/22/97 -0500, you wrote: >>As far as the "religion vs. rock 'n' roll" thread, it was clearly marked >"OFF:", but maybe you don't want to learn how to set filters on boc-l. > > Sorry! - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Dec 22 12:11:58 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:11:58 +0000 Subject: HW:Warrior In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971220235305.02fa13e0@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971220235305.02fa13e0 at online.no>, cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes >Poo! I have a Moorcock autographed Hawkmoon comic than Jon "pops" Browne >sent me (I'm still gettin something off to ya Jon!) The Motorpsycho tape was fine, really. Although its always nice to think of someone, somewhere getting something off to me. :-) BTW Is it true that Motorpsycho are Norway's Beautiful South and that 1 in 10 homes has a Motorpsycho album? -- Jon From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Dec 22 12:17:56 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:17:56 +0100 Subject: OFF topics (Re: OFF: Re: More Best of 97) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971222163558.00937f48@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: >At 10:48 AM 12/22/97 -0500, you wrote: >>>As far as the "religion vs. rock 'n' roll" thread, it was clearly marked >>"OFF:", but maybe you don't want to learn how to set filters on boc-l. >> Yeah but all that Swastika business was right on!!! Anyway, here are some topics we are NOT, at ANY given time, to post to BOC-L - not even during emergencies like childbirth, aneurysms, suicide, war, fire, rape, cardiac arrest, arrest, assault & battery with a deadly weapon (i.e. a mellotron), satanic possession (i.e. heavy metal music, comic books, cigarettes, beer, contraceptives, dancing, or masturbation), any kebab-related burns in the ringpiece(s), nuclear holocaust, or any cancelled sexologist appointments among the Mormon population on this list: 1) The retarded caretaker at work today who tried fixing the xerox machine, after I fucked it up on purpose by feeding it the wrong acetates (haha! >kick<) (yes, I am indeed on the cast of L.A. Law) 2) Pruning plants, not even marihuana, coca or opium plants, for fun and profit. 3) Theo's Jefferson Airplane box set. 4) Ginger Baker's dental habits. 5) Huw-Lloyd Langton's haircut. 6) Y&T 8) ketamine etc. 9) What lives inside Michael Moorcock's beard and if it has ever mated with whatever lives inside Dave Brock's mustache and if indeed its unholy offspring is Nik Turner. 10) The next BOC album after Ezekiel's Wheel (just kidding! :-) Christian ObCD: Kingdom Come _Journey_ "...but I think Hell's got all the good bands anyway..." Flaming Lips From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Dec 22 12:27:06 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:27:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Heard on Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <18A05161F2@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: I have a very clear "pre echo" on my Primal Scream - Screamadelica disc, right where the heavy gutar-riff crunches in on "Loaded" - and as far as I remember it's not my only CD that does this. Maybe it's the tape to mastering process, where the mastering is so clear it reveals the pre echo on analogue recordings. Of course plenty of old cassettes I've had, have had (!) both "pre-echo" and reading both sides at once... Christian "...but I think Hell's got all the good bands anyway..." Flaming Lips From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Dec 22 13:01:46 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:01:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Heard on Space Ritual Message-ID: Christian said: >I have a very clear "pre echo" on my Primal Scream - Screamadelica disc, >right where the heavy gutar-riff crunches in on "Loaded" - and as far as I >remember it's not my only CD that does this. Maybe it's the tape >to mastering process, where the mastering is so clear it reveals >the pre echo on analogue recordings. Of course plenty of old cassettes >I've had, have had (!) both "pre-echo" and reading both sides at once... Maybe some of this is in the mix on purpose? Led Zeppelin did this with the vocals on "Whole Lotta Love" where Robert Plant sings "Woman... you need" etc. It was just a recording trick that they thought sounded cool. They were the first to do it as far as I know. Brian OBcd> Led Zeppelin II -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2394 bytes Desc: not available URL: From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Mon Dec 22 13:03:17 1997 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:03:17 +0000 Subject: Silver Machine Sisters Message-ID: ;-) The Sisters of Mercy cover version of Silver Machine is on about 3 different live bootlegs, can't remember the names but I'll try and find out. Being a Sisters + Hawkwind fan(What does this make me?) I gotta here.. ObFlexi: Cricket Star - Bob Calvert and the First Eleven! eldritch From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Dec 22 14:08:16 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:08:16 -0000 Subject: OFF topics (Re: OFF: Re: More Best of 97) Message-ID: > 5) > Huw-Lloyd Langton's haircut. > Would that be the Herman's Hermits haircut, or the Chris Waddle one? -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Dec 22 13:07:39 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:07:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Motorpsycho Warrior In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 17:11 22.12.97 +0000, Jon Browne wrote: >The Motorpsycho tape was fine, really. Hmm, I thought it was a comp? >Although its always nice to think >of someone, somewhere getting something off to me. :-) well, yer off my Xmas card list this year! :-) > >BTW Is it true that Motorpsycho are Norway's Beautiful South and that 1 >in 10 homes has a Motorpsycho album? >-- Yeah, sorta. BTW, where did you hear this? From your long lost Uncle Kittelsen at the construction company in Oslo? :) Just tell any Beautiful South fans in your area that they sound *just* like this great Norwegian band, Motorpsycho! Oh, and I too will put on the Byrds on occasion - they sound *just* like that English band, Hawkwind! Skipper C. PS: and every 1 out of 10 households in Togo own an ICU album (they are now bootlegging Steve Pond's CDrom in droves as we speak). "...but I think Hell's got all the good bands anyway..." Flaming Lips From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Dec 22 15:08:45 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:08:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Heard on Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76012DDD@BPXSV> Message-ID: At 13:01 22.12.97 -0500, you wrote: Nope, this is NOT intentional. It's just before the guitar where it's clearest. I have other CDs that do this as well, it's a flaw of some sort. Christian > >Maybe some of this is in the mix on purpose? >Led Zeppelin did this with the vocals on >"Whole Lotta Love" where Robert Plant sings >"Woman... you need" etc. It was just a recording >trick that they thought sounded cool. They were >the first to do it as far as I know. > >Brian > >OBcd> Led Zeppelin II From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Dec 22 16:39:36 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:39:36 +0000 Subject: HW: Covers In-Reply-To: <199712221556.PAA15070@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199712221556.PAA15070 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >At a classical concert a couple of months ago, I noticed a chord >sequence in Stravinsky's The Rite Of Spring that was identical to >Photo Encounter! > >Dave. Actually, I am pretty sure there is a track on IITBOTFTBD which does sample the main percusive chord from the famous syncopated dance from part 1 of The Rite of Spring. Unfortunately, I can only listen to IIT etc... once a year without going ga-ga so I'm not going to threaten my sanity by putting the CD in the deck to locate the track. Mark From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Dec 22 16:50:58 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:50:58 +0000 Subject: HW: Heard on Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <199712221541.HAA15971@f131.hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <199712221541.HAA15971 at f131.hotmail.com>, Horse Whisperer writes >It's funny y'awl should be talkin' about this, 'cos I've noticed this on >cassette versions of ZZ Top's Rio Grande Mud (Best Album Ever?) and >Zep's "Led Zeppelin". >I had assumed it was just magnetic cross-talk occurring on really old >cassettes, but Vinyl and CD??? > >Have we a professional on the list? Enquiring minds need to know!! > Well I ain't no professional but this effect you are refering to is called (I think) "print-through" or perhaps "pre-echo". It is not something which was deliberately engineered in the studio but more a function of some sort of interference in the tape spools (again, I think). Heartbreaker on Led Zep II is good example of this but the apparent pre- echo vocal pyrotechnics in Whole Lotta Love were deliberate so I believe. Generally, the problem exists on a lot of old analogue rock albums and was still a problem in the 80s. Probably the worse example I have ever heard of this is in Tangerine Dream's Hyperborea (1982/3?) during the opening of the title track. It is not a problem limited to rock albums either as I have plenty of classical vinyl which exhibits the same problem. There is some point in one of the UA period HW albums where a similar effect appears midway through a song - probably the one you mention - but I would think it unlikely that you could pick this up given the amount of background noise going on. Anyway, I hope this is reasonably accurate. Mark From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Mon Dec 22 17:21:31 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:21:31 -0500 Subject: More Best of 1997 In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971222151930.0091e468@mailbox.mc.hik.se> from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Dec 22, 97 04:19:30 pm Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl writes: > Steve writes: > > > >> obCD: Kyuss, _Queens of the Stone Age_ > > > >WHAT THE HELL IS THIS? Are Kyuss back together? > > Steve, Steve.... calm down... > Do you use an anti-Daniel filter in your mailprogram? :-) Of course - I can't imagine how you slipped through this time... > I mailed about this weeks ago. > Take a look in the archives - it's all there. Thanks, I'll have a look. > ...and, no, they're not back together... :-( Oh, well. Shit. :-( Steve From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Dec 22 17:50:39 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:50:39 -0500 Subject: tBS: Malpractise Message-ID: John Swartz posted: >I wait in eager anticipation for my copy of *Malpractise* - hopefully in >time for the holidays. Well definitely in time for some holiday! Seriously though, Joe's CD shipped today so the 'Xmas special' really should have been titled the 'New Years' Special'. Sorry :-) >I'll echo Torgo's sentiments about not including ALL the "Pull the Plug" >tunes on the CD --> Al, please make sure they show up on a future CD >release, 'cuz I'm paranoid about wearing out my "Pull the Plug" tape! LotH will be on a future tBS release, although we will definitely rerecord it. Frenchette probably won't. So many songs, so little time! Al From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Mon Dec 22 18:16:03 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:16:03 -0700 Subject: Computer down Message-ID: Pam and I will be offline for the next day or two. Windows 95 has decided it needs a vacation. I think the cure is Format "C".:-)( -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Message-ID: At 23:13 22.12.97 +0800, William Duffy wrote: >There's some incidental music heard throughout the current season of Red >Dwarf Jesus! This show is still running? BTW, for a HW covers tape the original Monster Magnet *demo* of Brainstorm could be included. Oh, and there will be others :-) Christian "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating and taking over." - the surreal McCoy From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Mon Dec 22 18:45:27 1997 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:45:27 +0000 Subject: HW: Covers Message-ID: And lets not forget 'Destroy All Monsters' version of the Right Stuff ;-) eldritch From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Dec 23 10:59:18 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:59:18 EST Subject: HW: Heard on Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <199712221245.OAA28431@pepper.research.nokia.com>; from "Niko Makila" at Dec 22, 97 02:44:28 pm Message-ID: There is also something at the start approx 37secs on the psychedelic warlords etc track on hall of the mountain grill.It sounds like lemmy saying "how 'bout that" .You canhear it on both the remastered cd and the other Hall Cd. regards Marty From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Dec 22 18:53:58 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:53:58 PST Subject: BOC Reformation NEWS - As Promised Message-ID: Okay as I promised (well, maybe half an hour late) here's the complete text of Kerrang's article... Blue Oyster Cult, one of America's classic rock bands are back with their original line-up. They're currently recording a new album for thw SPV label. And that's all she wrote. Some of this detail is reasonably accurate, such as the record label, but the rest seems spurious. It does (as someone previously mentioned) seem as if Kerrang have forgotten that tBS exist and are proliferating, and that BOC are still touring inside the US. Which seems strange - after all wasn't a Kerrang article actually quoted on the CBS adverts for the Imaginos Single and Album??? I hope the bastards rot in hell for winding me up like this, I'd just about gotten over getting an email from Al himself (shiver). Needless to say, I'm still too nervous to write back. But what do you expect from someone who hears God's Voice. Maybe a little like Gollum hearing Sauron's word in the Lord of the Rings... Discussion anyone?????????????? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Dec 22 19:06:56 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:06:56 PST Subject: HW: Heard on Space Ritual Message-ID: > >>Maybe some of this is in the mix on purpose? >>Led Zeppelin did this with the vocals on >>"Whole Lotta Love" where Robert Plant sings >>"Woman... you need" etc. It was just a recording >>trick that they thought sounded cool. They were >>the first to do it as far as I know. >> >>Brian >> >>OBcd> Led Zeppelin II > Okay, check this out. Get a copy of the Beatles White Album, and listen to _Yer Blues_. I believe you will find the same thing here. It might be a litle like what was suggested earlier (rewind/unerase) ie the unsophisticated, but surprisingly effective, 4-tracks used to record the works just failed to wipe a guide vocal properly. But I think (through my own recording experience) that the guide vocal was recorded live, and some other microphone picked up the sound, but it could not be taken out of the mix fully, because another instrument, or vital sonic portion was included therein. Listen to any ealy ZZTop recording and you'll hear Billy Gibbons grunting away over his own solo's, because his vocal mike for the guide tracks and his amp were in the same booth. This also points out that you don't have to play loud to get a seriously good tone. But anyone who's been in a studio with a shit-hot engineer will know this. Mind you, this explains Led Zep, the Beatles and ZZ Top, but not Hawkwind. Has anyone thought that maybe the vocals on Space Ritual (because it was such an important, strategic release) might have been retouched in places, after the fact. I am joking, but it's worth a thought. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Dec 22 19:33:49 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 01:33:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Covers In-Reply-To: <349EFB97.C51A7751@ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: At 23:45 22.12.97 +0000, you wrote: >And lets not forget 'Destroy All Monsters' version of the Right Stuff >;-) > >eldritch It's on the boc-l "Covers All" 4 cassette set! Jeez, get with the program, mr. Eldritch! And all those smileys do not befit such a grizzled old goth as yourself. :) "Under The Gun" sucked man! Do something decent again or we'll have ya booted off the list! ;-) PS: How's Spiggy these days? (don't tell me he was replaced by Doktor Kit-Kat?) Il Capitan Crunchee the peg-legged drummer "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating and taking over." - the surreal McCoy From John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM Mon Dec 22 19:39:33 1997 From: John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM (John McCartney) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:39:33 -0800 Subject: HW: Heard on Space Ritual Message-ID: This is a common artifact, and is known as printthrough. It is from the recorded magnetic pattern on a section of tape affecting the layer of tape that's pressed against it when the tape is on the reel, a sort of bleeding effect. You'll usually only hear it when there's a very quiet or silent part that ends up 'next to' a section recorded at a high level,which is why it's usually only noticed at the beginning of a track. scorch From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Dec 22 19:42:06 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 01:42:06 +0100 Subject: BOC Reformation NEWS - As Promised In-Reply-To: <19971222235404.25764.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At 15:53 22.12.97 PST, you wrote: > But what do you expect >from someone who hears God's Voice. Maybe a little like Gollum hearing >Sauron's word in the Lord of the Rings... > >Discussion anyone?????????????? Hey, sounds like me spending too much quality time on the can :) **BRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPBABABABABBABBBBRRRRRRRRUUUUUUHH** (Sauron speaking to Gollum in Lord Of The Rings) Christian ObLeftoverDinner: Tacos ObFromTheVault: Meat Loaf - Bat Out Of Hell!!!!! >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Dec 22 20:05:40 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:05:40 +0100 Subject: OFF topics (Re: OFF: Re: More Best of 97) In-Reply-To: <01BD0F0D.2E84F9A0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 19:08 22.12.97 -0000, Andy Gilham wrote: >> 5) >> Huw-Lloyd Langton's haircut. >Would that be the Herman's Hermits haircut, or the Chris Waddle one? > >-Andy You know as well as I that's NOT a funny subject! Peddle your OFF-topics elsewhere! How about these lowlife alternatives: co.uk.three-bob-haircut alt.fan.pat-sharp-on-acid alt.mousse (no, not MOOSE!) alt.lug rec.hairclub.for.burnout-guitarists (this is where theo slags off Rush BTW!) rec.noodle dk.haar-mit-schlafen-der-zigaretten.gesmoken-mit-guitaren-und-schlager-gespi elt now keep OFF subjects like that OFF the list! Puh-leez! some people..... ha! Christian "...but I think Hell's got all the good bands anyway..." Flaming Lips From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Mon Dec 22 22:41:20 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:41:20 +1000 Subject: BOC Reformation NEWS - As Promised Message-ID: At 03:53 PM 22/12/97 -0800, you wrote: >Okay as I promised (well, maybe half an hour late) here's the complete >text of Kerrang's article... > >Blue Oyster Cult, one of America's classic rock bands are back with >their original line-up. They're currently recording a new album for thw >SPV label. > >And that's all she wrote. Up to this point in the discussion I wondered if it was necessary for a group to somehow technically or legally disolve and then reform when switching labels. However, I can't explain the "original line-up" bit. Unless...... Nah!! Btw, who wants a go at a new title for EW? How about "Redeemed"? :) Pete. ObCD: SF Sorrow - Pretty Things ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance" - D.G. Harris From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon Dec 22 23:03:58 1997 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:03:58 -0600 Subject: HW: Heard on Space Ritual Message-ID: Keith Henderson wrote: > couldn't really tell if it was evident there, > or whether I 'believed' I could hear it Guys! This thread reminded me of a great story I read on the Mike Kenealy home page. It's a *long* story but very twisted and entertaining: "Thank You for Buying Hat" http://www.moosenet.com/keneally5.html Karen From hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET Mon Dec 22 23:32:57 1997 From: hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET (Jerome Kekatos) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:32:57 -0600 Subject: HW: Tell 'em what they've won!... Message-ID: >Haven't these youngsters heard of The Great BOC-L Cover Tapes Project? > >FoFP Somebody Anybody post a message or email me direct on the Cover Tapes Project. Yes, I be relatively new to the list, but old old hawkwind gremlin. 25 years on since that first fix in 72. 'ave to go now, the nurses taking me for physical therapy... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Tue Dec 23 00:55:13 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 00:55:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Heard on Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <199712230039.QAA02093@vampire.Corp.Sun.COM> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Dec 1997, John McCartney wrote: > This is a common artifact, and is known as printthrough. It is from > the recorded magnetic pattern on a section of tape affecting the layer > of tape that's pressed against it when the tape is on the reel, a sort > of bleeding effect. You'll usually only hear it when there's a very > quiet or silent part that ends up 'next to' a section recorded at a > high level,which is why it's usually only noticed at the beginning of > a track. Yeah, what he said. I seem to remember Uncle Cecil covers this question in his indispensable tome, _The Straight Dope_. Cheers, Paul. obCD: King Crimson, _Red_ e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Tue Dec 23 00:59:48 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 00:59:48 -0500 Subject: Computer down In-Reply-To: <349EF4B3.B088B5F6@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Dec 1997, Cliff and Pam Wheaton wrote: > Pam and I will be offline for the next day or two. Windows 95 has > decided it needs a vacation. I think the cure is Format "C".:-)( No, the cure is "newfs". ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sundial, _Live Drug_ e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From johnv at NCWEB.COM Tue Dec 23 05:58:25 1997 From: johnv at NCWEB.COM (john villani) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 05:58:25 -0500 Subject: the search continues Message-ID: HEY ALL! im searching for anyone into some serious trading with their spacerock archives your list gets mine.loads of hawkwind,porcupine tree, space related,floyd,ozric tentacles,etc. From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Dec 23 07:45:42 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 23:45:42 +1100 Subject: BOC Reformation NEWS - As Promised Message-ID: At 13:41 23/12/97 +1000, Peter Sondergeld wrote: > >Up to this point in the discussion I wondered if it was necessary for a >group to somehow technically or legally disolve and then reform when >switching labels. However, I can't explain the "original line-up" bit. >Unless...... Nah!! > >Btw, who wants a go at a new title for EW? How about "Redeemed"? :) > NAH! I still prefer "Godot".......hehehehe (hey Daniel?) Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 23 08:03:52 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:03:52 -0500 Subject: BOC Reformation NEWS - As Promised Message-ID: >Blue Oyster Cult, one of America's classic rock bands are back with their original line-up. Wrong on both counts. Obviously, the original line-up is not back, and the band that is BOC today hasn't somehow "gone away" and is now back. At least they remembered that BOC was from America... >It does (as someone previously mentioned) seem as if Kerrang have forgotten that tBS exist and are proliferating Too bad after they voted *Eponymous* the #1 album of the year in 1994 (at least one of their writers did). >Needless to say, I'm still too nervous to write back. But what do you expect from someone who hears God's Voice. Maybe a little like Gollum hearing Sauron's word in the Lord of the Rings... Al = Sauron? Howls. Perhaps he's a little more like Saruman, up in his tower practicing his black magic - but I don't think Saruman ever had Al's humor. Seriously though, I've had numerous e-mails with Al over the years and it is one of the ways I've gotten to know him as a real cool person. Yeah, of course he knows the real reason I say these things is so he might someday get tBS back to Boston... ;-) John From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 23 08:05:16 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 05:05:16 PST Subject: HW:- House band on the Titanic Message-ID: Would Hawkwind have been the perfect theme to the sinking of the Titanic. As the icy waters beckoned, wouldn't space be the perfect escape? Just a thought after too much Xmas mulled wine. Sorry. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 23 08:08:09 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:08:09 -0500 Subject: BOC: Word on new album deal Message-ID: The following is what was recently posted by the band to the AOL BOC board. Given the band's relative quietness about the album over the past few months, I'm rather hopeful that a new album will soon be out: On Thursday the 18th of December we officially signed a record contract with CMC International Records who will release our new album in the U.S., Canada , South America and parts of the far east. The rest of the world will have the album from SPV Records in Germany. Considering the amount of time in the recording process , things change....the title is not " Ezekiel's Wheel" which was the working title in 1996. Stay tuned for the real title which will be decided on shortly. As far as I know from discussions with CMC Records, they hope to release the album in March. By the way, CMC Records has a website, so I'll keep checking up on it to see if they make mention of BOC. I suspect that they might not have anything up until the album is almost out though. John From AgentOF at AOL.COM Tue Dec 23 08:18:09 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Agent OF) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:18:09 EST Subject: BOC: Word on new album deal Message-ID: John, I've been checking CMC's home page since March;-) They put the new releases up there as soon as they have the album art work (and in this case, the title?) The SummerDaze CD was up there in early April. The address is http://www.cmcinternational.com chuck http://www.ultrawave.com/rose/ Miracles DO Happen, Take One The Ricky Browning Benefit Concert Featuring The Buck Dharma Band From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 23 09:35:56 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:35:56 GMT Subject: HW:- House band on the Titanic In-Reply-To: Horse Whisperer's message of Tue, 23 Dec 1997 05:05:16 PST Message-ID: Horse Whisperer writes: > Would Hawkwind have been the perfect theme to the sinking of the > Titanic. As the icy waters beckoned, wouldn't space be the perfect > escape? Yes, they should feature in the new Titanic blockbuster with the soundtrack: Ship of Dreams Journey Elements Wave Upon Wave Note From a Cold Planet Blue Skin Dying Seas Hades Deep The Sea King Encore: Lighthouse The Island The Timeship Will Not Sail Again From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Dec 23 09:50:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:50:00 +0000 Subject: More Best of 1997 In-Reply-To: Horse Whisperer's mail of Wed, 17 Dec 97 05:09 -0800 Message-ID: On 17 Dec 13:09, Horse Whisperer wrote: > >Photek - Modus Operandi > > Does this LP have _2 Sword Technique_ or the track which appeared on the > WIRE compilation? It has the track that appeared on the WIRE compilation. Overall, this album is OK, but not outstanding, in my opinion and that of a couple of my workmates. I'd recommend Squarepusher's "Big Loada" instead. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 23 10:21:23 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:21:23 -0500 Subject: BOC: Word on new album deal Message-ID: >They put the new releases up there as soon as they have the album art work (and in this case, the title?) Will keep watching then, but I suspect that artwork is not yet done and perhaps a title has not been selected. Also, if BOC just signed as of last Thursday, and this being the holidays and all, I wouldn't expect seeing anything before the first of the year. John From mpower at FCMC.COM Tue Dec 23 12:13:28 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:13:28 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind covers for the comp tape? Message-ID: Hiya, Scott Heller wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hej, Well, here are some of the ones off the top of my head that were not on the last set of four tapes: Architectural Metaphor- The Golden Void Amorphis- Brain Surgeons- Needle Gun and Hassan I Sabha Born to Go- ? Pseudo Sun- Assault and Battery/Golden Void There must be others? SCott ------------------------------------------------------------------------ We have covered: Lord of the Hornets Hassan I Sabbah Steppenwolf The Right Stuff Orgone Accumulator Uncle Sam's on Mars Master of the Universe Silver Machine Brainstorm Aerospaceage Inferno Take your pick! Just let me know who is compiling and I will forward a CD, DAT or regular audio tape. Marc. -- SpaceRock Central - featuring the extraordinary music of B0RN to G0 and Alien Planetscapes. (site in progress). "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 23 05:09:47 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:09:47 +0000 Subject: BOC Reformation NEWS - As Promised In-Reply-To: <199712230341.NAA24321@pigeon.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: In article <199712230341.NAA24321 at pigeon.qut.edu.au>, Peter Sondergeld writes >Pete. > >ObCD: SF Sorrow - Pretty Things The merest mention of this fine LP is enough to choke me with emotion -- Jon From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 23 13:09:26 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:09:26 -0600 Subject: BOC: No Big Deal, Kerrang Message-ID: JS>The original line-up has NOT (and as I've said, probably will never) reformed. I'm sure the article refers to what Eric has recently (within the past few days) posted on AOL -- BOC presumably has a deal for the upcoming album. It will be handled by CMC International (the same guys that put out the Summerdaze CD), although presumably SVP will handle foreign sales. I take this as writen in stone according to Sir John of Swartz. Pretty silly assesment anyway by the mag. Geez who's the editor of that thing? JS>Also, according to Eric, the album will NOT be titled, "Ezekiel's Wheel" (which, IMHO, is a mistake - but then again, I'll take... Ah man that name was pretty kewl I think. Hmm is this an opportunity to have a "name that cd contest" on BOC-l? Theo>As soon as I saw BOC was on Summerdaze, I suspected this would happen. This is the perfect label for BOC at this point. They supply reasonable support for their bands, and give them plenty of leeway for creativity. Should be a good match. well you know more about labels than me but I think Metal Blade would be better than CMC. No real differences except for the MB name and logo. Bring back the heavy rocking version of BOC on that label and well...who knows. Certainly MB has a group of hard ass bands that appeal to a generation of kids who may never had heard them. Those kids may give them a flyer just because they are on MB and expect to hear some heavy grooves. CMC is good quality but they have a wide horizon. They did Earth Wind and Fire's latest album, took them (EWF) about three years to get it in the stores. Can you imagine a CMC display in Best Buy with BOC latest sitting right next to EWF? L8er lil ab OBCD- Blast from the past Helloween, Keeper of the Keys I & II "Isn't sanity just a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking. But when your good and crazy the sky's the limit." -The Tick From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 23 13:25:14 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:25:14 -0600 Subject: My BOC Holiday wishes to some of you... Message-ID: Tis the season... Holiday wishes for the faithful... To Berhnard, Sonique, Jill and other HW faithful, may you all end up in Bernhard's back yard for a private 3 hour gig by your fave group... To Billy H.- Good health to you. You can beat this thing. To Al, Deb and tBS - Good health and much sucess for 98'. Someday when tBS lords over the musical world, we here will always remmeber first and foremost what great people you are. To Theo, Torgo and the rest of the upper state NY crew - Do not fear the snow; Imaginos will pave the way so you can be at the gig safely. To all of our subscribers in Europe - More HW tours and hopefully one day a tour in support of BOC's now unamed cd. To the Off Topic Crew - The holidays season to have at it while the rest of us vacate the offices for a few days. Keep it spicy and fun. To Christian> I love your sense of humor but one lump of coal for posting this "Anyway, here are some topics we are NOT, at ANY given time, to post to BOC-L 6) Y&T" Don't go there man. 8>) To all subscribers - hope TSO's cd ends up in your stockings this year. To the current members of BOC - Keep it alive and give us at least five (albums that is) Ya owe us that many when we count the years. Much sucess and puhlease come back to the Washing area soon. If not Jaxx, the Bayou would be good. Last and certainly not least John Swartz and family, best of the holidays to you and yours. May you receive a 300 mhz screamer with 10 gig HD for storing the FAQ. Also Y&T's newest album. L8er lil ab Who only wants about a 100 cd's for x-mas but will probably end up with the obligatory tie for daddy... "And so he says to me, he says to me, you got style baby but if your going to be a real villian you gotta get a gimmick. And so I go, I says yeah baby a gimmick that's it. High Explosives." - Evil Midnight Bomber From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 23 12:37:00 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:37:00 EDT Subject: BOC: No Big Deal, Kerrang In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > Theo>As soon as I saw BOC was on Summerdaze, I suspected this would > happen. This is the perfect label for BOC at this point. They > supply reasonable support for their bands, and give them plenty of > leeway for creativity. Should be a good match. > > well you know more about labels than me but I think Metal Blade would be > better than CMC. No real differences except for the MB name and logo. > Bring back the heavy rocking version of BOC on that label and well...who > knows. Certainly MB has a group of hard ass bands that appeal to a > generation of kids who may never had heard them. Those kids may give > them a flyer just because they are on MB and expect to hear some heavy I was thinking CMC over MB because MB is considered a label for 'younger' bands, though if you look at any of the holdover metalhead groups, and their members are all well into their 30s! It's hard to say if a younger audience is within BOC's grasp. There are plenty of youngsters here on BOC-L and they're all knowledgeable music fans. Don't know if they're a blip on the screen or if young whelps as a group would go for BOC. I do know that there were lots of kids howling at the skies for BOC at this summer's outdoor gig, so maybe it would work out for 'em? > grooves. CMC is good quality but they have a wide horizon. They did > Earth Wind and Fire's latest album, took them (EWF) about three years to > get it in the stores. Can you imagine a CMC display in Best Buy with > BOC latest sitting right next to EWF? > ROTFL! I'd be happy to see a BOC display ANYWHERE! CMC does have a lot of variety. Dokken, Warrant, Saigon Kick [or whatever their name is now] Lynyrd Skynyrd[!]. I hadn't heard of EWF...that's a kick. But I think they're heart's in the right place [CMC, that is]. You know that all us wheezers are likely to have a soft spot for a label that'll take a chance on dino bands, and help them keep making records. Given the talent level, both in terms of playing and songwriting ability, it's amazing BOC haven't caught on somewhere. Just fell through the cracks I guess. And given the state of their [mis] management, we're lucky they haven't disappeared from sight altogether... Hey, anyone care to speculate what the BOC stand-up AB has suggested would look like? theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Dec 23 14:43:32 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:43:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Space Explosion Message-ID: Hi Folks... For those of you interested in 'krautrock' or the more PC term 'German kosmische' music, I've heard of a new CD just put out under the moniker 'Space Explosion'. It features members of Amon Duul II, Faust, Guru Guru, and Neu, I think. I guess you could call it a 'supergroup', kind of like the old Cosmic Jokers. Anyway, I've heard great things about this disc, and am anxious to get it. So far, it's only been released on Ken Matsutani's 'Captain Trip' label out of Japan. However, I hear that Purple Pyramid (alter ego of Cleopatra) will release it in the states around February, 1998. Therefore, I am going to be patient and wait till I see it show up in Ohio. Thought you might like to know. Keith H. (FAA) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Dec 23 15:47:12 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 20:47:12 -0000 Subject: OFF: Space Explosion Message-ID: On Tuesday, December 23, 1997 7:44 PM, Keith Henderson [SMTP:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU] wrote: > Hi Folks... > > For those of you interested in 'krautrock' or the more PC term 'German > kosmische' music, I've heard of a new CD just put out under the moniker > 'Space Explosion'. It features members of Amon Duul II, Faust, Guru Guru, > > and Neu, I think. I guess you could call it a 'supergroup', kind of like > the old Cosmic Jokers. My copy is (allegedly) (and I believe them!) on its way to me now, from http://www.forcedexposure.com, $16 + postage (which didn't strike me as at all bad). I'll post a note when I've got it! It's Chris Karrer from Amon Duul II (but you already knew that). -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Dec 23 16:07:57 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 15:07:57 -0600 Subject: HW: Hammersmith Odeon set list question Message-ID: I have a question on the set list from a Hawkwind gig. At the Hammersmith Odeon on November 6, 1990, they played "Reefer Madness". Someone who was at that gig thought it was in the encore as the last or second-to-last song. However, the set list I have is: Angels of Death // Back in the Box // Check Control // Ejection // Golden Void // Hassan I Sahba // Images // Needle Gun // Night of the Hawks // Out of the Shadows // Paranoia // Realms // Reefer Madness // Snake Dance // Star Song // TV-Suicide // Wings Can anyone tell me what the encore actually was at this gig? Thanks, and happy holidays to all boc-lers! Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 I bought some batteries, but they weren't included. -- Stephen Wright From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Tue Dec 23 18:23:24 1997 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 23:23:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Covers Message-ID: In reply to Cannibal: I dunno...I drop off this list for 3 years. I come back...and I still take stick for being a goth..Can't get away from it! Hmmm...Under the Gun was a contractural obligation.. But the new album will be a stormer.. Look no Smileys.... Rich(retired eldritch) ObCd: Xitintoday - Nik Turners Sphynx! Oh yeah the covers tapes forgot about them...gimme a break I've been offline alongtime... From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Tue Dec 23 19:40:50 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:40:50 +1000 Subject: OFF: Season's Greetings Message-ID: Compliments of the Season to all. I'm off for a month's break so I'll be offline until I'm back at work, unless Santa brings me a modem for Christmas :) Take care, Pete. ObLP: Fugazi - Marillion ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance" - D.G. Harris From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Tue Dec 23 15:58:46 1997 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 20:58:46 GMT Subject: OFF: Holidays Message-ID: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, everyone !!! Looking forward to another great year with all you folks and, perhaps, finally a new BOC release ??? Now, that would be a great gift, don't you think ? ;-) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 24 04:47:33 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 09:47:33 +0000 Subject: OFF : Happy hols Message-ID: Did it again for another year. The suns now on its way back. Phew! I rest now. I'm going to France to catch up with the wife and kids who went on ahead, Monday. Back on Saturday. Have a good one, everybody. BTW Anyone go to the Henge on Sunday night? -- Jon From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Dec 24 05:21:50 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:21:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Hammersmith Odeon set list question In-Reply-To: <9712231507.ZM10633@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: Hi Frank At 15:07 23.12.97 -0600, you wrote: >I have a question on the set list from a Hawkwind gig. At the >Hammersmith Odeon on November 6, 1990, they played "Reefer Madness". >Someone who was at that gig thought it was in the encore as the last >or second-to-last song. >Can anyone tell me what the encore actually was at this gig? Here it is: 06.11.90, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON, 100min realms / angels of death / golden void / check control / ejection / wings / out of the shadows / snake dance / night of the hawks / star song / tv-suicide / back in the box / paranoia / hassan i sahba / images / needle gun / reefer madness The encore was: needle gund + reefer madness cu Bernhard From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 24 05:24:40 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:24:40 +0100 Subject: ON: God Jul! Message-ID: ...now, that means merry X-mas! Hoping everyone here gets what they want for Xmas or go out raise some hell if they don't! Well, go raise hell anyway! oh, and eldritch, I was only kidding, the smiley curfew is over now ;-) Christian From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 24 09:19:27 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:19:27 -0000 Subject: HW: FWIW Message-ID: Just a little quote I found when idly web-surfing: "By the shores of Lake Michigan, where the hawk wind blows so cold, an old Cub fan lay dying, in his midnight hour the toll. [etc.]" about which was written: 'The song is called "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request." It was written by Steve Goodman, a Chicago fol singer, a lover of baseball and a lifelong fan of the Chicago Cubs.' Intrigued, I looked further, and found this on *another* baseball page: "IT was a bitter January day, Chicago's infamous winter wind - "The Hawk" - was sweeping down Michigan Avenue like a thousand razor blades, cutting through countless layers of clothing to chill to the bone." Probably means nothing, and HW probably are named for Turner's foul personal habits after all, but what the hell! In the words of Noddy Holder, "Merry Christmas Everybody"! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From rauli.poikela at MBNET.FI Wed Dec 24 10:00:00 1997 From: rauli.poikela at MBNET.FI (Rauli Poikela) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:00:00 +0200 Subject: HW:DH format Message-ID: Miikka wrote: > Hi! > Finaly DH and 1999 arrival in Finland, so my Xmas is saved. > About DH, music is great, but format ain?t. I want Vinyl! Where did you find it? Have been looking for them for a while now.. Anyway, which stores do you know to sell Hawkwind in Finland without especially ordering? I know that Fazer Music has some stuff, but that's it. Spinefarm has all the Ozrics except Erpland, and they used to have Hawkwind around still one year ago. - Rauli ... Ukki, sulla on 200 kruunua ja vinkkupullo aivojen paikalla! ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 24 14:08:13 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 20:08:13 +0100 Subject: HW: FWIW In-Reply-To: <01BD1076.F95933C0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Andy, Put away that surfboard!! There are reefs out in those cold december waters, reefs we call madness! Have a valium and read some Lovecraft in the safety of your own mind instead. Anyway, the occult baseball -> hawkwind connexion is not for you to know :) Don't tell us we didn't warn you..... cap'n cannibal & his skeleton crew At 14:19 24.12.97 -0000, Andy Gilham wrote: >Just a little quote I found when idly web-surfing: > >"By the shores of Lake Michigan, where the hawk wind blows so cold, >an old Cub fan lay dying, in his midnight hour the toll. > [etc.]" >about which was written: > >'The song is called "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request." It was written by >Steve Goodman, a Chicago fol singer, a lover of baseball and a lifelong fan >of the Chicago Cubs.' > >Intrigued, I looked further, and found this on *another* baseball page: >"IT was a bitter January day, Chicago's infamous winter wind - "The Hawk" - >was sweeping down Michigan Avenue like a thousand razor blades, cutting >through countless layers of clothing to chill to the bone." >Probably means nothing, and HW probably are named for Turner's foul >personal habits after all, but what the hell! In the words of Noddy >Holder, "Merry Christmas Everybody"! > >-Andy > >-- >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 24 14:53:59 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 19:53:59 -0000 Subject: HW: FWIW Message-ID: On Wednesday, December 24, 1997 7:08 PM, cannibal at CUTEY.COM [SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] wrote: > Andy, > > Put away that surfboard!! There are reefs out in those cold december > waters, reefs we call madness! Have a valium and read some Lovecraft > in the safety of your own mind instead. Hey now - if ever there was a list of forbidden topics, that's A-number one!!!! The horror! "It's all coming back to me now!" Switching computer off until it's safe, -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET Wed Dec 24 21:14:36 1997 From: hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET (Jerome Kekatos) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 20:14:36 -0600 Subject: Fw: HW: FWIW Message-ID: >"By the shores of Lake Michigan, where the hawk wind blows so cold, >an old Cub fan lay dying, in his midnight hour the toll. > >"IT was a bitter January day, Chicago's infamous winter wind - "The Hawk" - >was sweeping down Michigan Avenue like a thousand razor blades, cutting >through countless layers of clothing to chill to the bone." > >-Andy > two comments I can add to this thread... yes, the winter north-easterly off the lake is called 'the hawk'. The term originated in the 30's-40's, from the chicago jazz (buzzed) subculture... A government printed glossary of drug slang I have also pins the 'the hawk' as a street term for strong psychedelics ie lsd, for the blown-away effect while peaking. baseball and drugs and jazz and hawkwind! oh no! leaving the Auditorium after both the november 73 and march 74 (1999) shows in chicago, I noticed the sky was filled with fiery bright stars, hanging just atop the skyscrapers, and the hawk was blowing, but i was already gone... From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Thu Dec 25 01:23:02 1997 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 22:23:02 -0800 Subject: Merry Christmas Message-ID: A Merry Hawkwind Christmas to all. May 1998 bring as many good HW releases as 97, and may you all be able to afford the resulting financial drain John From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Dec 25 04:46:53 1997 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 03:46:53 -0600 Subject: HW is this Stacia Message-ID: I've come across a few photos of the original Alice Cooper Group posing with a female that I believe is Stacia. I believe the photos originate from 1972 when the cooper group came to the uk for the schools out tour. Ive read that there was a stripper that was hired for some event where she would come out of a cake, but she didn't show up or refused. However Hawkwind were at this event and suppossedly Stacia took over when the stripper failed. Also Ive read in an article in Bob Lennon's zine that Stacia wanted to dance for "Alice" (cooper I'd Assume), I'm thinking this might be related to her posing here. Anyway the pix are at: http://www.earthlink.net/~hawkwind1/index.html Just click on the Alice Cooper photo section. They're the last 2 pics. If anybody can confirm or deny this is Stacia please do so. Also if you are offended by a nude Stacia don't go to this address. thanks -- DAN WITT ST. CLOUD, MN -- MINNEAPOLIS, MN USA From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Dec 25 09:15:48 1997 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 00:15:48 +1000 Subject: OFF: Christmas is over Message-ID: Gidday All! Now that it's over in Ozland, I hope that all of you still celebrating are having a great day ... we couldn't have asked for more perfect weather in Melbourne ... not a cloud in the sky and mid-30's (C). After a few too many wines I spent the afternoon listening to Space Ritual and 1999 on my new CD player in the sun .... oh what a life! ;^) Kewl Yule ya'all ... and may your Space Rock Sonique From corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU Thu Dec 25 08:34:09 1997 From: corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU (Dmitri Lapitski) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 16:34:09 +0300 Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists - High Rise Message-ID: Hi! I recently got AA and I wonder what is the real title of the song which was named "High Rise" on AA. And from what album is it? Dmitri From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 25 10:05:12 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cap'n cannibal) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 16:05:12 +0100 Subject: HW is this Stacia In-Reply-To: <34A22B8D.9CBB7B50@earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 03:46 25.12.97 -0600, Dan Witt wrote: >Anyway the pix are at: > >http://www.earthlink.net/~hawkwind1/index.html > Also if you >are offended by a nude Stacia don't go to this address. Au contraire mon frere! *Good lord!* She looks like she's enjoying that banana! I think it is Stacia - being an expert on the subject of the human anatomy, yes, I would say it's a match :-)) Stacia was always a little chunky and those breasts look just like hers! Hmm, lemme dig up that Space Ritual booklet,,,,, YES! It is.....!! I'm 99,9% sure.... the bottom pic is where you see it most (well, you see *less*, but looking more like Stacia) The Hawkwind -> Alice Cooper connexion....... Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Dec 25 10:06:42 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cap'n cannibal) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 16:06:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists - High Rise In-Reply-To: <34A260D1.F9D406A6@elnet.msk.ru> Message-ID: At 16:34 25.12.97 +0300, you wrote: >Hi! >I recently got AA and I wonder what is the real title of the song which >was named "High Rise" on AA. And from what album is it? > >Dmitri The real title of the song is PXR5 and is off the album of the same name. High Rise is also on PXR5 but is a different song! Great album. Christian From micci at SCI.FI Fri Dec 26 10:34:27 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 17:34:27 +0200 Subject: HW:DH format Message-ID: Terve! > > Where did you find it? Have been looking for them for a while now.. > Anyway, which stores do you know to sell Hawkwind in Finland without > especially ordering? I know that Fazer Music has some stuff, but that's > it. Spinefarm has all the Ozrics except Erpland, and they used to have > Hawkwind around still one year ago. Vastaampa nyt suomeksi niin on v?h?n helpompaa. Joo, Fazerilla ei kyll? t?t? DH ole eik? paljon muutakaan. Mik?li asut hesassa tai l?hist?ll? niin parhaat paikat on Black and White joka myy DH:ta ja Hippie Shake, jolla on 1999 partya. My?skin Diskeriss? on n?? saatavilla, mutta se kalliimpi kuin n?m?. Mik?li olet kiinnostunut HW vinyyleist?, niin ota yhteytt?. Itse ker??n vinyylin? haukkoja. Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Fri Dec 26 16:59:13 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:59:13 -0800 Subject: HW: Got yer Griffin stuff here! Message-ID: First, individual stuff: Pam, I have your Yassassim. John Majka, I have your Intake and Outtake Jill, I have your two Warriors. Chuck Johnson, I'm sorry, but they were out of Levitation, much to my surprise. I'll keep an eye out for it elsewhere, though. E-mail me privately about details. To everyone else: I picked up some others. Anyone who wants, e-mail. 1 Stonehenge/DNP 2 Zones 1 Live '79 These were all two-for-one. I matched all purchases up, so they're all half-price. Stonehenge was 9.99 originally, so that's 5 dollars. Zones was 9.99, so 5 dollars. Live '79 was 5.99, so that's 3. Charlie From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Fri Dec 26 17:01:17 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 14:01:17 -0800 Subject: HW: Covers Message-ID: > > ObCd: Xitintoday - Nik Turners Sphynx! > > This was just released on CD, correct? And it's the original '78 recording, correct? On what label(s)? US? Thanks, Charlie From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Fri Dec 26 18:04:01 1997 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 23:04:01 +0000 Subject: Xitintoday Message-ID: Xitintoday is out, I picked it up mail order, it turned up beginning of December.. The Catalog Number is: NIKTCD333 and it's on the NIKT label which I'm assuming means Nik himself... It sounds great....Tim Blake on synths, how can it not be.... It seems to be a very low key release...I've not seen any copies in the shops... eldritch I picked up another CD with Nik on the other day, 'Fairy Tales' - by Mother Gong. It's a very strange album, Gilli Smyth reading fairy tales to the backing of spaced out jazzy gong weirdness.. Lovely it is too.... From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Dec 26 19:45:51 1997 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 17:45:51 -0700 Subject: Xitintoday Message-ID: >Xitintoday is out, I picked it up mail order, it turned up beginning of >December.. > >The Catalog Number is: NIKTCD333 > >and it's on the NIKT label which I'm assuming means Nik himself... > >It sounds great....Tim Blake on synths, how can it not be.... > >It seems to be a very low key release...I've not seen any copies in the >shops... > >eldritch I do believe (and will no doubt be corrected if wrong) that this is one of the EBS "subsidiary" releases which was mentioned a while back... Kevin Sommers From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Dec 27 01:33:51 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 01:33:51 -0500 Subject: X Brothers: Solid Citizens Message-ID: All I can say is this kicks ass... knocked my socks off.... got here a day after xmas, great way to spend the day off repeatedly listening to it.... Joe is truly a solid citizen. 'Hot Time in Hell', great self-mocking piece, there's not better way to pay tribute and yet make fun of similarly themed stuff from BOC... All I can say is get this. If you don't have it, get it... Note: should X Brothers stuff be under a BOC: heading for the list, or a TBS: heading, or should there be a X: heading? Or should it be OFF: I don't think it should be OFF, personally... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sat Dec 27 11:08:30 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 09:08:30 -0700 Subject: Computer loses battle Message-ID: The machine tried it's best, but in the final tally was defeated by very determined humans. The strategy used was devide and conquer. The weapons were Format"C" and reorganize into "C" and "D". It was a long and hard fought battle that at points allmost saw the machine headed for the window. Windows 95 was tamed and an understanding was reached. We are the bosses and the machine will obey, at least on the surface. By the way Pam and I are back online. Cliff, Boise Idaho USA From torgo at NORWICH.NET Sat Dec 27 15:44:01 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 15:44:01 -0500 Subject: tBS: Live at the Haunt Message-ID: "A Christmas Wish"- The Brain Surgeons- LIVE. 12/26/97 Once upon a time, many many years ago, when I had a bit more hair and less of it was graying, I must have made a wish. I don't remember doing it, but I certainly must have walked out into the cold air late one night and released a wish into the heavens, expecting nothing in return. And on that night I might possibly have wished that there were TWO Blue Oyster Cults, because I loved my favorite band so much that one of them was not nearly enough to keep me satisfied. Or maybe I just stepped out to take a leak. I don't know, it was so long ago. But anyway, on December 26th, with my head and belly still full to bursting with Christmas cheer, I popped into a little club in Ithaca NY called "The Haunt" to watch former Blue Oyster Cult drummer Albert Bouchard and THE BRAIN SURGEONS perform live. I had seen The Brain Surgeons live before when they were the sole performers doing several long sets, but I had never seen them perform just one standard set, sharing the stage with other bands. Two other bands set the mood for The Brain Surgeons and warmed up the crowd. A local band WEEP opened things up, and then HELEN WHEELS took the stage. Helen has written many a Blue Oyster Cult and Brain Surgeons tune, and if you ever get the chance I HIGHLY recommend catching her live, though the diminutive Helen has enough on-stage chutzpah that "catching" her might be a poor way to word it. The Brain Surgeons are guitarists Billy Hilfiger and Peter Bohovesky, bassist David Hirschberg, drummer/vocalist Albert Bouchard, and vocalist/guitarist (and part-time drummer) Deb Frost, a woman with a voice that can swing effortlessly across many extremes. The five members took the stage last and opened up with "St. Vitus Dance", a severe little rocker that set the mood and got us all up and cavorting. The quality of sound was just perfect, and even at point blank range to the amps the music never became painfully loud as it blew my hair back. The band played 14 songs in total, with a nice mix of Brain Surgeons and Blue Oyster Cult material from BOC's "Albert Era". Although the song order probably isn't even close (I was too busy hooting and howling to write down a proper set list) the set consisted of: St. Vitus Dance Laura's Plastic Swords Baby Ice Dog Gun A Kiss is a Promise Needle Gun Dominance and Submission I Play the Drums My Civilization Gimme Nothin' Donkey Show Death Valley Nights Cities on Flame/ Ciudades Y Navidades The Red and The Black Highlights include "Laura's Plastic Swords", a favorite of mine from the BOX OF HAMMERS album, and a song that is just so much fun live, with the band exaggerating the slow, drawn out pauses in the song's structure. Most Brain Surgeons songs, both in lyrics and overall mood, dive head-first into gloomy and murky depths, and at the very least dangle their toes in it. But on-stage the Brain Surgeons are out to have fun and to make sure the audience does as well. When a band is having a great time, it's very obvious to a crowd cheering them on. Regardless of whether you are a fan of their music or not, you can't possibly come away from a Brain Surgeons show without a smile on your face. It did my heart good to see Guitarist Billy Hilfiger, an incredible performer who is currently battling some health problems, on-stage and just ripping it up. The vibes from the rest of the band and the smile on Billy's face is more proof that someone doing what they do best and enjoying every second of it is the best possible medicine there is. During the crowd-pleaser "I Play the Drums", Albert Bouchard slapped out an incredible drum solo that was born on his drum kit, and had a long and rhythmic life on every hard object in and around the bar. Table-tops, barstools, glasses, bottles, floors, support beams, and every other item that got in Albert's way came alive with rappings and tappings and poundings. A one-man version of STOMP, there was no stopping Albert as he wandered drumming about the place like a madman possessed, and certainly nobody wanted to see him stop. A bit winded and bubbling with sweat when he finally made it back to his throne, he needed no breaks as he stormed and bashed his way through the rest of the song. The band showed off a new song "Needle Gun" from their latest album MALPRACTISE, and it was an instant favorite. Loud and thundering enough to crumble sidewalk slabs, "Needle Gun" was intense enough that I'm sure somewhere the late Rob Rudich, whom the latest album it appears on is dedicated to, was tapping his feet and clenching his fists. "Donkey Show" found Guitarists Peter Bohovesky and Billy Hilfiger on vocals doing a wild & crazy version of this hilariously warped little ditty, and they make as good a team comically as they do musically. And so, standing amidst the other happy fans, I couldn't help but think how wonderful it was to have this band. Blue Oyster Cult was such a powerful force at one time, and now it seems like there are two bands on this planet that can equally please this fan of theirs. Whether I am watching BOC perform "Don't fear the Reaper" or the Brain Surgeons play "Dominance and Submission", I know that a wondrous thing that was born in BOC many years ago is still alive in this universe, and existing in two places at the same time. And with my Christmas wish of long ago having come true, I smile and look forward to my next Brain Surgeons show, which can't come soon enough for me. Feliz Navidad con Rock & Roll! Robert (Torgo) Sedler torgo at norwich.net From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Dec 27 20:59:51 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 02:59:51 +0100 Subject: HW: Bainbridge/Allen/Mothers/Cooper!!! Message-ID: snipped from rmp: It's more psychedelic than prog per se, but I've been enjoying the new _Lunar Muzik_ CD by Ant-Bee very much. The prog connection is the contributions by Daevid Allen, Harry Williamson and Harvey Bainbridge, as well as various members of the original Mothers of Invention and Alice Cooper lineups. The album contains heavily Mothers-inspired freakouts (including a great arrangement of Don Preston's "Silicone Hump," done conspicuously in the style of "Uncle Meat") as well as seductive psychedelic pop (Brian Wilson meets Syd Barrett) and ambient sounds. The CD is available directly from Ant-Bee...check out his web site at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/antbee/ or write to him at PO Box 207, Carolina Beach, NC 28428-0207. Christian From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sun Dec 28 15:26:21 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 15:26:21 -0500 Subject: HW: Got yer Griffin stuff here! Message-ID: >John Majka, I have your Intake and Outtake >Charlie OK Charlie so how much money do I need to send you for Out and Intake? And where? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From ChStier at AOL.COM Sun Dec 28 17:53:43 1997 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (ChStier) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 17:53:43 EST Subject: HW: Bootleg info... Message-ID: Hi folks, I was out surfing the web and came across a bootleg dealer who had a boot listed under the Hawkwind section called "Speed Of Light". Has anyone heard of this one before and what may be on it? Thanks. Chris From johnv at NCWEB.COM Sun Dec 28 23:27:28 1997 From: johnv at NCWEB.COM (john villani) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 23:27:28 -0500 Subject: strange daze audio/video Message-ID: hey all! i have some sdbrd audio/video from strange daze if anyones interested in a trade also have alot of new spacerock additions to my list if anyones familar to my address! looking for those traders, and many thanks to those who replyed and helped! From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Mon Dec 29 01:21:20 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 22:21:20 -0800 Subject: HW: Got yer Griffin stuff here! Message-ID: > >John Majka, I have your Intake and Outtake > >Charlie > > OK Charlie so how much money do I need to send you for Out and Intake? And > where? > > John Majka > flossbac at wcic.org John, How about no money and a dub of 1999? :) Charlie From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 24 08:07:18 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:07:18 +0000 Subject: More Best of 1997 In-Reply-To: <199712231450.OAA08488@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199712231450.OAA08488 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes > >It has the track that appeared on the WIRE compilation. Overall, this >album is OK, but not outstanding, in my opinion and that of a couple >of my workmates. > >I'd recommend Squarepusher's "Big Loada" instead. > >Dave. Yeah, sorry I didn't get back quicker, it doesn't have "2 Swords Technique" As for Squarepusher, yeah, I should have mentioned "Hard Normal Daddy" in my best of the year (haven't heard "Big Loada") While certainly more exciting than Photek, I can't listen to it for more than half an hour, though, before I'm bouncin off the walls. It's just a fraction too manic for day-time listening for me (which is when I do most of my listening these days). -- Jon From Barczinski at CELANESE.DE Mon Dec 29 07:45:02 1997 From: Barczinski at CELANESE.DE (Barczinski, Reiner, WAC) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 13:45:02 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind covers all? Message-ID: Moi! Just using these wasted days to go through this list of all Hawkwind-Material ever, and my eyes stuck on "Hawkwind Covers All" - Tape ! Anybody dare to tell me something about this masterpiece ?! I'm VERY interested! Reiner From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Dec 29 11:12:27 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:12:27 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind covers all? In-Reply-To: <199712291527.QAA13157@www.hoechst.com> Message-ID: At 13:45 29.12.97 +0100, you wrote: >Moi! > >Just using these wasted days to go through this list of all >Hawkwind-Material ever, and my eyes stuck on "Hawkwind Covers All" - >Tape ! Anybody dare to tell me something about this masterpiece ?! I'm >VERY interested! Hi! It's a 4 cassette set compiled by some veteran BOC-L'ers of Hawkwind covers of varying quality - overall an essential little archive and signpost to the weird and woolly world of way out strange and essential bands from all over the world - ranging from superstars like Monster Magnet to aussie unknown poseurs The Australian Hawklords! :) I think I purchased mine from Dave Berry in UK but I've no idea if this "project" is still active? They are cheap, covering only the cost of the cassettes & postage so it's 100% sunshine blessed altruism from our beloved worldwide listmember brothers and sisters in arms! cap'n C (PS: ***ATTENTION BOC-L TROOPERS!*** Sign up to FIGHT for YOUR RIGHT to bear the Mark of TRUE FREEDOM LOVING BOC-L'ers! In the fringe provinces of Usenet we are being slandered as no good unfriendly psychos after a near fatal BOC-L trauma upon an unsuspecting BOC fan, who was pummeled by our mailbox destructive FRIENDLY fire this past sweltering summer! Those of you who remember incident in question, stand up and DEFEND our GOOD cause in Usenet!!! Our second objective should be RECRUITMENT among the lowly Usenet citizens until WE PEACEFULLY REIGN SUPREME IN THE WORLD OF BOC MAILING LISTS! ...In the name of Blue Oyster Cult, Hawkwind and the Holy Michael Moorcock... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 29 10:21:00 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 11:21:00 EDT Subject: tBS in Ithaca In-Reply-To: <199712291527.QAA13157@www.hoechst.com> Message-ID: Torgo's eloquent review notwithstanding, here are a few of my observations on Friday's most excellent concert by tBS. This was the best the band has sounded in my 3 times seeing them. Last show was great, but the tiny venue made it impossible to hear anything! This place was medium sized, but had a decent stage area for the group to set up, and made the sound that much more spread out as well. They were really tight. These guys are really refining their craft, and it shows big time. Overall sound and balance were excellent. Peter had a much greater role in this show than the last one. He played a lot of lead this time, and played his skinny ass off. The new amp is working out very well. Al, what model Carvin is that? Think I'll be ordering one pretty soon. I know all you guitar desperadoes are snickering about a Carvin amp, and normally, I'd be with ya, but believe me, this amp rocks big time. All I can say is if you heard one that sucked, it was probably due to the guy playing through it. I used to be prejudiced against Peavey amps as well. But, if they're good enough for EVH, then maybe they ain't so bad after all. And I've been using a Classic 30 [pretty much a clone of Peter's new amp] for over a year now, and liking it very much. Not my main amp, but a nice one for certain sounds. Billy seemed in good form, and really enjoying himself. Great to see him up and running. He even had the good humor to stop a song to point to our own BOC-Ler Jason, and say: 'This guy ROCKS!' BTW, Jason, you really should try to loosen up a bit and throw off your inhibitions. This is a rock concert: it's okay to let loose a little! Great meeting Jason, Brian and Torgo, and put faces with the names I see every day. You guys can hit off my bong anyday. As with Elmira, a good selection of tunes spanning the entire tBS catalog. Great hearing Needle Gun. Only bummer was their only playing one set. It would have been great to hear more, esp. with the sound being so good that night. Al is a wildman on the drums. Solo was excellent, again playing the whole room. He's got an extra bass drum pedal, so he can achieve a double bass effect without having to haul an double rig. And this is important: Al created all this sound on a compact 4 piece kit. Amazing! Most guys with a mountain of gear can't get half the sound Al gets. [though in the old BOC days, Al used a lot bigger rig] BTW, Al, are you using thinner sticks nowadays? I seem to remember that during BOC, you favored really heavy sticks, almost like parade sticks. Am I imagining things here? All in all a great show. Can't wait to see them again. What's the future touring schedule look like? theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Dec 29 11:46:46 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 10:46:46 -0600 Subject: BOC and CMC Message-ID: >Can you imagine a CMC display in Best Buy with > BOC latest sitting right next to EWF? > Theo> ROTFL! I'd be happy to see a BOC display ANYWHERE! CMC does have a lot of variety. Dokken, Warrant, Saigon Kick [or whatever their name is now] Lynyrd Skynyrd[!]. Saigon Kick is still Siagon Kick but is about to be called Flat under their new record deal. Drummer now fronts Prunnella Scales, Matt ain't singing anymore and the Fabulous Jason Bieler has a solo album comming out. Real dysfunctional band that makes some fine music when they want to. Theo> I hadn't heard of EWF...that's a kick. Haven't heard that EWF's latest album was released on CMC or have never heard of Earth Wind and Fire? Damn good group in their day. 'Course like most R&B bands of the 70's they forgot about music and went disco which killed them. Parliment/Funkadelic seems to be the only band that survived the 70's to 80's transition. Long live the P-Funk. Heheheh, if only I could find some of my old college buddies from New York City. I vowed that funk would survive Disco. Theo>But I think they're heart's in the right place [CMC, that is]. You know that all us wheezers are likely to have a soft spot for a label that'll take a chance on dino bands, and help them keep making records. Well CMC should license the Jurrasic Park series logo. Theo> Given the talent level, both in terms of playing and songwriting ability, it's amazing BOC haven't caught on somewhere. Just fell through the cracks I guess. And given the state of their [mis] management, we're lucky they haven't disappeared from sight altogether... Agree on all points above, except they also have to have the desire to do this. Look at the Rollling Stones. Numbers show they made almost $90 million on their Bridges to babylon Tour last year, No., 1 by a wide margin. Yet sales of the album were practically nothing. Seems people will pay to see you but can care less about the product your putting out. BOC is pretty much the same. They were always a kick ass live outfit and we continue to see them any chance we get. Perhaps if we stopped attending gigs they would be more concerned with putting something out. Radical concept but not one I endorse. Theo>Hey, anyone care to speculate what the BOC stand-up AB has suggested would look like? Not sure what your talking about here. I for one would love to have a contest to name the new album. I can't really think of anything now except perhaps BOC II. Good tBS review Torgo! L8er lil ab "And so he says to me, he says to me, you got style baby but if your going to be a real villian you gotta get a gimmick. And so I go, I says yeah baby a gimmick that's it. High Explosives." - Evil Midnight Bomber OBCD - Helloween Keeper of the Seven Keys Part II OBTV - Three episiodes of Spawn (interesting) From Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM Mon Dec 29 11:48:54 1997 From: Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 10:48:54 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind covers all? Message-ID: Just to be sure that people realize/recall that the covers project was a large, group effort, here's my (sketchy) recollection of it. Dave Berry and I made copies of the tapes for people located in the UK/rest of world and in the USA. Everyone sent us copies of the tapes, and from them we compiled the master tapes. Chuck Johnson (I think?) made the tape sleeves, and Paul Ward (again, not sure?) provided the web space for everyone to check out the designs. I don't recall if Chuck had created the art, or if it was from one of Tim's old T shirt designs. About 15 or so BOC-l members ended up contributing covers--from one song to an entire tape's worth. As for a 5th tape, well, just how much new stuff is there? It sounds like we're only up to (at most), a new side of material... Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. allan.t.grohe.jr at mail.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net ---------- From: cannibal Sent: Monday, December 29, 1997 10:12 AM To: BOC-L Cc: cannibal Subject: Re: Hawkwind covers all? At 13:45 29.12.97 +0100, you wrote: >Moi! > >Just using these wasted days to go through this list of all >Hawkwind-Material ever, and my eyes stuck on "Hawkwind Covers All" - >Tape ! Anybody dare to tell me something about this masterpiece ?! I'm >VERY interested! Hi! It's a 4 cassette set compiled by some veteran BOC-L'ers of Hawkwind covers of varying quality - overall an essential little archive and signpost to the weird and woolly world of way out strange and essential bands from all over the world - ranging from superstars like Monster Magnet to aussie unknown poseurs The Australian Hawklords! :) I think I purchased mine from Dave Berry in UK but I've no idea if this "project" is still active? They are cheap, covering only the cost of the cassettes & postage so it's 100% sunshine blessed altruism from our beloved worldwide listmember brothers and sisters in arms! cap'n C (PS: ***ATTENTION BOC-L TROOPERS!*** Sign up to FIGHT for YOUR RIGHT to bear the Mark of TRUE FREEDOM LOVING BOC-L'ers! In the fringe provinces of Usenet we are being slandered as no good unfriendly psychos after a near fatal BOC-L trauma upon an unsuspecting BOC fan, who was pummeled by our mailbox destructive FRIENDLY fire this past sweltering summer! Those of you who remember incident in question, stand up and DEFEND our GOOD cause in Usenet!!! Our second objective should be RECRUITMENT among the lowly Usenet citizens until WE PEACEFULLY REIGN SUPREME IN THE WORLD OF BOC MAILING LISTS! ...In the name of Blue Oyster Cult, Hawkwind and the Holy Michael Moorcock... From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Dec 29 13:21:08 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 13:21:08 -0500 Subject: tBS: tBS in Ithaca Message-ID: Theo said: >Billy seemed in good form, and really enjoying himself. Great to see >him up and running. He even had the good humor to stop a song to >point to our own BOC-Ler Jason, and say: 'This guy ROCKS!' BTW, >Jason, you really should try to loosen up a bit and throw off your >inhibitions. This is a rock concert: it's okay to let loose a >little! Great meeting Jason, Brian and Torgo, and put faces with the >names I see every day. You guys can hit off my bong anyday. Thanks. Music seems to be Jason's one outlet. (I've known him since elementary school, so I should know.) He actually hurt his ankle at the Potsdam show he was thrashing so hard to TBS. And he doesn't do any drugs and hardly drinks! It's truly a sight to see. >All in all a great show. Can't wait to see them again. What's the >future touring schedule look like? After the gig (where'd you go Theo?) Al said that TBS, the X-Bros. and The David Roter Method are going to be playing a show together in February down in NYC. I should also mention that all the members of the X-Bros., sans Joe, were at the Ithaca gig. They look a little different now than they do on their album cover... Billy's pic reminds me a little of...ahem...Spinal Tap. Brian obSONG> "Hassan I Sahba"- The Brain Surgeons -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Wonder if they had to rename the band due to legal rancor? > Theo> I hadn't heard of EWF...that's a kick. > > Haven't heard that EWF's latest album was released on CMC or have never > heard of Earth Wind and Fire? Damn good group in their day. 'Course I saw 'em live way back when. Back when they'd mix up all different style bands on one show... > > Theo> Given the talent level, both in terms of playing and > songwriting ability, it's amazing BOC haven't caught on somewhere. > Just fell through the cracks I guess. And given the state of their > [mis] management, we're lucky they haven't disappeared from sight > altogether... > > Agree on all points above, except they also have to have the desire to > do this. Look at the Rollling Stones. Numbers show they made almost > $90 million on their Bridges to babylon Tour last year, No., 1 by a wide > margin. Yet sales of the album were practically nothing. Seems people That's very interesting, and typical of the Stones. For a band who've made so much money, their records don't sell all that well. The last one's been heavily panned across the board. I guess their tours have achieved mythical status. Huge production and they play enough old material reasonably competently to keep reeling the suckers in... > will pay to see you but can care less about the product your putting > out. BOC is pretty much the same. They were always a kick ass live > outfit and we continue to see them any chance we get. Perhaps if we > stopped attending gigs they would be more concerned with putting > something out. Radical concept but not one I endorse. > Thing is, the Stones suck live as well as on record, but it doesn't seem to matter! Put a 20-foot inflatable dick in your act and people will forget everything else! I think the Stones, being on the first wave Brit. invasion appeal to lots of geezers. Then, on strength of stage gimmicry, they cultivated some younger fans who've stayed the course, and brought some of their younger fans along to the shows. MHO, nothing to back it with... > Theo>Hey, anyone care to speculate what the BOC stand-up AB has > suggested > would look like? > > Not sure what your talking about here. I for one would love to have a > contest to name the new album. I can't really think of anything now > except perhaps BOC II. > You know, that lifesize cardboard cutout in the stores? EB astride his hawg? BD in his spacesuit? Allen...just being Allen! > Good tBS review Torgo! Wish you'd been there, dude. A helluva show from a helluva band! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 29 12:34:27 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 13:34:27 EDT Subject: tBS: tBS in Ithaca In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76012DE8@BPXSV> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > >Billy seemed in good form, and really enjoying himself. Great to see > >him up and running. He even had the good humor to stop a song to > >point to our own BOC-Ler Jason, and say: 'This guy ROCKS!' BTW, > >Jason, you really should try to loosen up a bit and throw off your > >inhibitions. This is a rock concert: it's okay to let loose a > >little! Great meeting Jason, Brian and Torgo, and put faces with the > >names I see every day. You guys can hit off my bong anyday. > > Thanks. Music seems to be Jason's one outlet. (I've known him > since elementary school, so I should know.) He actually hurt > his ankle at the Potsdam show he was thrashing so hard to TBS. > And he doesn't do any drugs and hardly drinks! It's truly a sight > to see. > Shit! he doesn't need 'em! Might be too intense with em! > >All in all a great show. Can't wait to see them again. What's the > >future touring schedule look like? > > After the gig (where'd you go Theo?) Al said that TBS, the X-Bros. Long drive home, and I was awake at 6 that morning. Us wheezers need our rest, ya know! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 29 15:35:22 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 15:35:22 -0500 Subject: I'm Back Message-ID: Ah, the Holidays... 'twas a most joyous time, but now I'm happy to be back in the real world. Got home from the relatives to find my Cellsum order in the mailbox. Good stuff indeed! I've so far listened to *Malpractise* and the X Brothers and both CDs rock - here's hoping the other members of the old Bouchard band get something released this year (BTW, rumours abound - as I mentioned previously, the title ain't "Ezekiel's Wheel", but a possible hint was dangled on the AOL BOC board - but no confirmation as to whether this cryptic post was an album title or something else - stay tuned). Checked the Mobile Fidelity web page - they're definitly releasing a "gold" Agents of Fortune CD soon. Nothing on the King Biscuit page about a BOC release yet though. With the arrival of my Cellsum order, I just need to make some tweaks to the discography and version 2.3 of the BOC FAQ will be complete. I'll post an announcement here when the new version is on my website (and Ben Cohen - I'll be FTPing a version for the BOC-L archives this week as well). Later! John From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Dec 29 19:13:47 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 19:13:47 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind covers all? Message-ID: Allan said... >As for a 5th tape, well, just how much new stuff is there? It sounds >like we're only up to (at most), a new side of material... FYI...I just saw in the latest catalogue from Delerium that ST37 has a new disc out containing a cover of Orgone Accumulator (if my memory serves me correctly). Did you have that one on your list?? Funny that this song seems to be so often redone. After all, I don't think it was ever done in the studio, and it's no more than just a simple riff and two short stanzas of mindless vocals from Calvert. The rest is just jamming. Of course, I quite like the song personally (at least on SR), but what's there to cover?? BTW, is ST37 any good?? They're from Texas aren't they?? That's all...Keith H. (FAA) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Dec 30 08:40:10 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:40:10 -0000 Subject: BRAIN: Malpractise, X Bros Message-ID: Got these this morning - thanks, Al! NOT BAD covers of "Needle Gun" and "Hassan I Sahba", NOT BAD AT ALL! "NG" is tons better than the original! Dead good "Astronomy", too - there was one moment when I thought, this is what BOC might have sounded like if Patti Smith had joined (that's a compliment!). Haven't played the X Bros all the way through yet - seems OK, have to give it a proper listen when I've a moment! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Dec 30 08:43:16 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:43:16 -0000 Subject: OTHER: Primals, Cope in London Message-ID: Primal Scream 14th Brixton Academy, J Cope esq 14th-15th at the Astoria. I take it you'll be going to both of these Jon!!! I expect I'll see you at Cope on the 15th if not the Primals too... Anyone else? BTW, any idea what this Messerschmitt 109 is doing on the Primals' gig advert????? -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Tue Dec 30 08:50:29 1997 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 06:50:29 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind covers all? Message-ID: >BTW, is ST37 any good?? They're from Texas aren't they?? > >That's all...Keith H. (FAA) Yes to both! I saw them at Strange Daze '97, and a couple weeks later in Austin, where they were great both musically, and as people. Kevin Sommers From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 30 08:45:31 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 07:45:31 -0600 Subject: BOC and CMC Message-ID: Saigon Kick is still Siagon Kick but is about to be called Flat under > their new record deal. Theo>So I take it jason just fired everyone, hired a new band, and likely had to re-name the group to avoid legal shit? Like Skynyrd 1991? BTW, the new Van Halen disc is called Van Halen III. Wonder if they had to rename the band due to legal rancor? Don't think so. Drummer left on a side project which turned out to be Prunella Scales. Think they went over bigger than they imagined and he may stay with the project. Matt, lead singer from the first two albums came back for a while. Only problem was the gigs had setlists based on the first two albums. Rather limiting. Second two albums (IMHO) had better more versatile material. Probably some legal shit behind the name change but it might just be re-invention. > Theo> I hadn't heard of EWF...that's a kick. > > Haven't heard that EWF's latest album was released on CMC or have never > heard of Earth Wind and Fire? Damn good group in their day. 'Course T-man>I saw 'em live way back when. Back when they'd mix up all different style bands on one show... They can still play pretty good. One of those bands where I new every song. Couple of summers ago they did a two hour gig at Wolftrap. They could have played for another hour and still not hit everyones fave song. New album isn't great though. > Theo> Given the talent level, both in terms of playing and > songwriting ability, it's amazing BOC haven't caught on somewhere. > Just fell through the cracks I guess. > > Agree on all points above, except they also have to have the desire to > do this. Look at the Rollling Stones. T-man>That's very interesting, and typical of the Stones. For a band who've made so much money, their records don't sell all that well. Never a Stone fan myself. Boggles me the way people lay out premium bucks to attend one of thier overhyped gigs. > will pay to see you but can care less about the product your putting > out. BOC is pretty much the same. They were always a kick ass live > outfit and we continue to see them any chance we get. > Theo>Thing is, the Stones suck live as well as on record, but it doesn't seem to matter! HOWLS do we agree here. Heard a radio broadcast of one of their gigs and almost puked. BOC could outplay these guys while sleeping. > Theo>Hey, anyone care to speculate what the BOC stand-up AB has > suggested > would look like? > > Not sure what your talking about here. I for one would love to have a > contest to name the new album. I can't really think of anything now > except perhaps BOC II. > T-man>You know, that lifesize cardboard cutout in the stores? EB astride his hawg? BD in his spacesuit? Allen...just being Allen! You think BOC will rate a display like this? Man if so you provided a good start. Put Danny next to Buck, bass slung over his shoulder with biceps bulging. Does Danny have guns like Joe? Don't think so. L8er lil ab' OBCD for froogin' - Devil In The Details, Saigon Kick From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Tue Dec 30 10:23:15 1997 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:23:15 GMT Subject: OFF: Rolling Stones Message-ID: lil ab writes re Rolling Stones :- HOWLS do we agree here. Heard a radio broadcast of one of their gigs and almost puked. BOC could outplay these guys while sleeping. Well thank you for that constructive critisism Adrian Beavis n Butthead. You say you heard the concert on the radio ? It's never the same as being there, and that goes for ANY band, 3OC included. If it makes you puke, tough shit. The Stones have written many a classic song in their time, and their gigs still generate a hell of a lot of excitement, and...fun. As for BOC outplaying them (if you mean technically), yes you're prob right. But that ain't everything. I'm not getting into a slangin' match, just makin' a point. Neil. ObCD Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 30 10:46:37 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:46:37 GMT Subject: OTHER: Primals, Cope in London In-Reply-To: <01BD1529.0CC93FC0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:43:16 -0000, you sent through the ether: >BTW, any idea what this Messerschmitt 109 is doing on the Primals' gig >advert????? Is it an immelmann? ...havn`t seen the pester. S. From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Tue Dec 30 11:30:46 1997 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:30:46 CST Subject: OFF: Da Stones (was: Re: BOC and CMC) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 30 Dec 1997 05:00:36 CST." <199712301000.FAA17947@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >From: "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" >> From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." >> Look at the Rollling Stones. Numbers show they made almost $90 million >> on their Bridges to babylon Tour last year, No., 1 by a wide margin. >> Yet sales of the album were practically nothing. Seems people >That's very interesting, and typical of the Stones. For a band >who've made so much money, their records don't sell all that well. >The last one's been heavily panned across the board. Oh? Most of the reviews I've read have said it was a "solid, if somewhat disjointed" effort; that the high points were good, and the low points weren't all _that_ low. I recall that both Mojo and Stereo Review both thought it was pretty good. Where have you seen it panned? It ain't another "Exile on Main St.", but what is? >Thing is, the Stones suck live as well as on record, but it doesn't >seem to matter! Ummm...this also runs contrary to just about all of the show reviews (personal and professional) I've heard. Mick's apparently doing pretty well for a 50+ year-old guy, and Keef just ain't a-dyin'. m@ ObCD: David Roter Method, "Find Something Beautiful", (esp. "Run M.F. Run") +-mbraun at urbana.css.mot.com-+--Experiments that failed too many times -----BOC+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Transformations that were too hard to find | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Poison's in my bloodstream, poison's in my pride| +---------------------------+--- I'm after rebellion, I'll settle for lies----+ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 30 13:24:28 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:24:28 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Malpractise, X Bros Message-ID: Will second Andy's comments on *Malpractise*. "Needle Gun" is excellent, although I can't compare it to Hawkwind since I haven't heard their version. "Hassan..." sounds pretty cool too - do my ears detect more dropped tuning? "Ciudades" really smokes, "Death Valley Nights" is great (although I like the piano and bassline from the BOC version - still, Al's vocals and the guitarwork is great on this version, and Deb shows that she too "Plays the Drums"). "The Girl That Love Made Blind" is quite different from the waltzy version submitted for *Imaginos*, and "Tour Spiel" sounds great - tBS newsletter said this was different from the version that appeared on the Minuteman tribute, but sounds really close to my ears - maybe they just re-mixed the earlier version? "Language of Love" sounds different, but as good as the original, and "Name Your Monster is a real kick! Very different done acoustically - the wit at the end is fun, and the guitar and bass work shines throughout -- but Deb's vocals! Where the original version was mean and nasty, this version is breathy and seductive - quite good, oh yeah... Oops, sorry, I drifted off there for a minute (g). "Baby Ice Dog" and "Career of Evil" rock - those of you who missed out on the *Career of Christmas* tape have been given a second chance! Deb's vocals on "Astronomy" are great (a different feel from the BOC version for sure), and finally, "I Am The One You Warned Me Of", although acoustic, is very true to the original and still retains it's edge. Al kind of hinted that the other 2 songs from the *Pull The Plug* tape (Lady of the Harbor and Frenchette) probably won't make it to a future CD (although LotH might in a different form) -- this is too bad. I'd really like to have those on CD as well - and, while I'm requesting songs for *Malpractise-Volume 2*, don't forget the Watt cover of "Dominance and Submission" (which about half the credits go to Joe and Albert on that recording anyway - what with Albert's guitar, drums, and vocals, and Joe's keyboards), and maybe some other rarities -- we NEED Pete Bohovesky's "Christmas Song" (I have the tape if you need it) on CD (was hoping a version would've hit his solo album), and how 'bout some other old classics that BOC rejected - wasn't their one called "She Fell in Love With Ritchie Blackmore's Dildo"? John From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Dec 30 13:41:50 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:41:50 -0500 Subject: BOC: The order of Imaginos Message-ID: I'm thinking about making a tape of Imaginos with the songs in the correct order, and with the additions of "Overture", "The Girl That Love Made Blind", and the acoustic version of "Astronomy" substituting for the album version. I know the chronological order of the original album cuts, but where would "Overture" and "Girl" fit into the scheme? I could assume "Girl" occurs in Texas and place it after "Imaginos". Any suggestions? I know some of you already have made your own tapes. How did you order the songs? Also, was "Gil Blanco County" supposed to be part of the original Imaginos album as well? Brian From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Dec 30 13:56:21 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:56:21 -0500 Subject: BOC: The order of Imaginos Message-ID: Oops. Just checked the FAQ and answered my own question about "Gil Blanco County". It's been awhile since I've read through it. Forgive me John ;-) So where does "Gil Blanco" fit then? Brian -on a slow day at work From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 30 13:51:16 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:51:16 -0500 Subject: BOC: The order of Imaginos Message-ID: Check the FAQ for Al's interpretation of how the *3* Imaginos albums should've/would've been laid out -- I don't know that "Overture" was listed, but it seems to me that it could've gone either at the beginning or end of the Imaginos album. "The Girl Love Made Blind" and "Gil Blanco County" are mentioned as to where Al interpreted them to go. And, since I brought it up... I'm am as we speak putting the final touches on version 2.3 of the FAQ, and it will be online by tomorrow. I'll post an official announcement after I download it to my website. I'm sending a copy to the BOC-L archives today, so as soon as our moderator can get to it, it will be available there as well. I'll also be sending it to the person who did the HTML version of the last revision as I think she is willing to update it - if not, I'll do it myself at a later date. Happy New Year Baby - Ready for another round? John From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Dec 30 14:17:56 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:17:56 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Malpractise, X Bros Message-ID: John S. said: >Will second Andy's comments on *Malpractise*. "Needle Gun" is excellent, >although I can't compare it to Hawkwind since I haven't heard their >version. "Hassan..." sounds pretty cool too - do my ears detect more >dropped tuning? Needle Gun is more complex than the original, and much better in my opinion. For me, Hassan is about on a par with the HW version. The feel of each is different- HW's is more "slithery" with the excellent violin work of Simon House, while TBS version has an addictive, heavy groove that the HW version is lacking. Brock (Calvert?) benefits from knowing exactly what he's singing, but Al and Deborah do a great job of faking it :-) >"Ciudades" really smokes, "Death Valley Nights" is >great (although I like the piano and bassline from the BOC version - still, >Al's vocals and the guitarwork is great on this version, and Deb shows >that she too "Plays the Drums"). This is a real jem when they bring it out for their live show. I like how TBS changed the "Kiss from you, babe" harmony. I miss the piano and bass too, though. [snip stuff about the rest of the songs] >Al kind of hinted that the other 2 songs from the *Pull The Plug* tape >(Lady of the Harbor and Frenchette) probably won't make it to a future >CD (although LotH might in a different form) -- this is too bad. I'd >really like to have those on CD as well - and, while I'm requesting songs >for *Malpractise-Volume 2*, don't forget the Watt cover of "Dominance >and Submission" (which about half the credits go to Joe and Albert on that >recording anyway - what with Albert's guitar, drums, and vocals, and Joe's >keyboards), and maybe some other rarities -- we NEED Pete Bohovesky's >"Christmas Song" (I have the tape if you need it) on CD (was hoping a version >would've hit his solo album), and how 'bout some other old classics that >BOC rejected - wasn't their one called "She Fell in Love With Ritchie >Blackmore's Dildo"? Or "Cities On Flame With Disco". I found D&S on sale for $5 at an import sale at Record Town. I never thought I'd ever get to hear it. If you can find it, get it. The other two songs on the single: Piss Bottle Man, and Big Train, aren't bad either. Brian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The FAQ has the order of those, and yeah, I've done the same thing (although I used live '76 Astronomy, and Malpractice' IATOYWMO), and Gil Blanco County from SFG. However, I think the FAQ made a vague reference to some song called "Port Jefferson", as being part of the Imaginos sage. PJ is on Long Island, right? When would I* have visited this area? And more importantly, does anyone have this song anywhere? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Dec 30 14:17:53 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:17:53 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Malpractise, X Bros Message-ID: >Will second Andy's comments on *Malpractise*. "Needle Gun" is excellent, >although I can't compare it to Hawkwind since I haven't heard their >version. "Hassan..." sounds pretty cool too - do my ears detect more >dropped tuning? I like both these songs on M* (Albert, these one-word album titles makes it difficult to abbreviate them, I'd thought BoH was ending that ), I think they compare very well. I definitely prefer the drumming on this NG, but either way, the original is one of my favorite Hawkwind songs, I like them both, in different ways. Huw is one of my favorites on guitar, this is different than his style.... Deb sounds really evil-like on this track, but I also like Brock's vocals, so I'm not going to choose a favorite... As for Hassan, I must confess I don't have the album it originally appeared on (and I can't recall which one it is, it's somewhere in the gap in my collection between ASAM and Levitation). The only version I have is the one on "Out & intake", and I easily prefer the M* version to that.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Dec 30 15:25:37 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:25:37 EST Subject: BOC, tBS: Girl and the real lowdown on IMAGINOS Message-ID: Here's the lowdown on Imaginos and how the new version of Girl compares to the original. Thanks to the generosity of Mr. Albert Bouchard, I have a copy of Imaginos as he had recorded it. This is the song order on that tape: 1. I am the One You Warned Me Of 2. Imaginos 3. Gil Blanco County 4. Del Rio's Song 5. Blue Oyster Cult 6. Les Invisibles 7. The Girl That Love Made Blind 8. Frankenstein 9. In the Presence of Another World 10. Blue Oyster Cult Reprise 11. Astronomy 12. Magna of Illusion 13. Magna Reprise Albert sings lead vocals on all of these. In his letter to me, he notes that Tommy Mandel plays the organ on the album (although he wasn't credited on the actual disc). In addition, the following musicians played on the following tracks: Don Roeser: acoustic guitar on Gil Blanco County Robbie Kreiger: lead guitar on Magna, Girl, and Blue Oyster Cult Allen Lanier: Synth on Blue Oyster Cult Joe Bouchard, Jeff Kawalik, Corky Stasiak, Helen Wheels, Glen Bell: background vocals Peggy Atkins, Casper McCloud: ending of Frankenstein vocals Albert also tossed a few other gems onto the tape, including The Devil's Hangnail, which features some of the nastiest Patti Smith lyrics for a BOC song....the music was later rearranged and used for The Vigil. I must say, the acoustic guitar on both Gil Blanco and Devil's Hangnail is fantastic...I gained a renewed respect for Donald Roeser after listening to those tracks. The Vigil as recorded for Mirrors greatly simplified the original guitar parts from The Devil's Hangnail. Albert also included his demo for Half Life Time on that tape, which was a song intended for one of the later acts of the Imaginos story...and another amazing Bouchard composition, with some great Pearlman lyrics (a few of which turned up on When the War Comes). Now, as for Girl...well, I must admit to being a bit disappointed by the Brain Surgeons version. It is vastly different from the original Imaginos version of the song. The Imaginos version is a slow, waltz-like piece, with synthesizers and beautiful piano lines. The Brain Surgeons version is almost twice as fast, completely re-orchestrated, and (most amazing to me of all) totally eliminates the 3/4 (or 6/8) time signature and forces the song into a quick 4/4. You're all familiar with Greensleeves, right? Well, imagine taking that song, forcing it into 4/4, and playing it twice as fast as normal, and you'll get some idea of the difference between the Imaginos version of Girl and the new version. Now, the new version is certainly interesting in its own right, but, given that very few people have heard the fantastic original version of the song, I would rather it had hewed more closely to the original arrangement. Heck, both Career of Evil and Baby Ice Dog (with nifty new arrangements) were still very close to the originals. The Brain Surgeons version of Girl is just so tremendously different from the original that it's hard even to compare. Actually, if you listen to Imaginos Overture, you'll hear a bit of the original Girl (in triple meter) at the peak point near the end of that instrumental. It is such an enormously powerful and beautiful love song (a Sandy Pearlman love song!), that I was disappointed to see it altered in this fashion. Even the Christmas chorus at the end was simplified and truncated...the original features lush and complex vocals during that section as the song fades away. The original Girl in many ways sounds like nothing else on Imaginos...but it also sounds very little like the new version of the song. Hopefully, when Imaginos is re-released--and Pearlman expressed to me the hope that when the comic book finally is published that might give them the impetus to do so--they will add the remaining tunes onto the disc, because both Gil Blanco County and Girl are fantastic (Albert's version of Gil Blanco County is incredibly atmospheric and moody). We'll have to keep our fingers crossed! :-) Steven Tice Calliope Comics P.S. Oh, lest anyone think I was displeased with Malpractise...apart from my disappointment over Girl, I LOVED it! I could hardly have been happier with the other tracks. P.P.S. In case anyone is wondering, BOC Reprise is an instrumental version of the end section of that song...sort of like a dance mix. And Magna Reprise is an a cappella recapitulation of the first couple of verses of that song, with a very quiet acoustic guitar accompaniment. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 30 15:56:53 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:56:53 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Malpractise, X Bros Message-ID: >Or "Cities On Flame With Disco". I found D&S on sale for $5 at an import sale at Record Town. I never thought I'd ever get to hear it. If you can find it, get it. The other two songs on the single: Piss Bottle Man, and Big Train, aren't bad either. Yes, that would be a good one to trot out (not that I've heard it, but the title alone would make it a good addition). You are lucky to find the P-bottle man single with D&S - they are hard to find (and I don't suspect that millions were pressed). But it is truly a smoking version - very true to the original with Albert's vocals, yet a more modern heaviness -- and who woulda thunk that the song would benefit from keyboards? Piss Bottle Man doesn't do much for me, but Big Train is pretty cool - infectious bassline. John From kg at THING.DE Tue Dec 30 19:00:29 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 01:00:29 +0100 Subject: Nik Turner / The Moor - new tour dates Message-ID: hi there, NEWS NEWS NEWS on the tour of THE MOOR with NIK TURNER & Mr. G. Prague has unfortunately been cancelled - due to problems with the organizers... these are the new dates - watch out all you Belgians, Dutch and everyone living near Li?ge...: 13. Jan. 98 - Li?ge (Belgium) - location: La Zone 14. Jan. 98 - Noerdlingen / Moettingen - location: Woodstock (with support "Golden Buddha" - from California....wow.) much more infos on all this and the other gigs, the band, the other artistas etc. at: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm best, knut From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Dec 30 19:34:32 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:34:32 -0700 Subject: BOC; 1998 TOUR DATES!!!! In-Reply-To: <34A98B1D.4D8B684E@thing.de> Message-ID: Hope to hear all is well with everyone and that you all had a great Christmas. Just got a fwd msg from AOL, and Eric Bloom confirms the following shows...... 1/23 Santa Barbara, CA. The Coach House 1/27 San Juan Capistrano, CA. The Coach House (the original) 1/28 San Francisco, CA. Slim's 1/29 ? ? ? ? ? 1/30 Portland. OR. Roseland Theater 1/31 Seattle, WA. King Kat Theater (Hey, Skip Galvin!!) 2/01 Springfield, OR. Probally Mill Camp??? Eric also says CMC deal is real, and the King Bisquit Live will also come out very soon.......there is a God!!! FELIZ NAVIDAD Y PROSPERO ANO NUEVO!!!!!!!!!!! MANUEL..... Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Dec 30 20:24:47 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 01:24:47 +0000 Subject: "Au Revoir", not "Goodbye" In-Reply-To: <199712291000.FAA14115@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Everybody, Due to my marriage having gone into terminal meltdown on Xmas eve, I'm going to be off-list for a while from Friday 2nd Jan. (She & the kids get custody of the PC). I'll still be "receiving" until Friday a.m. Fortunately,my new freelance job is pretty lucrative, so I should be back in 2-3 months (as long as it takes to get a new PC & a place to live). Good luck & Happy New Year I hope that your Yule/Xmas/Hannukah was better than mine. ChrisW ============================= Chris Warburton, 7 Godstone Road Kenley Surrey CR8 5AG Home phone: 0181 668 4946 Mobile: 0958 754169 ============================ From johnv at NCWEB.COM Tue Dec 30 21:42:57 1997 From: johnv at NCWEB.COM (john villani) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:42:57 -0500 Subject: EARTH RITUAL Message-ID: i need help in finding someone with a copie of calverts EARTH RITUAL, From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 30 12:24:57 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:24:57 +0000 Subject: OTHER: Primals, Cope in London In-Reply-To: <01BD1529.0CC93FC0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BD1529.0CC93FC0.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andy Gilham writes >Primal Scream 14th Brixton Academy, J Cope esq 14th-15th at the Astoria. I >take it you'll be going to both of these Jon!!! I expect I'll see you at >Cope on the 15th if not the Primals too... Anyone else? > >BTW, any idea what this Messerschmitt 109 is doing on the Primals' gig >advert????? *and* the Verve on the what, 17th? Primals live is very much "pays yer money, take yer choice". They can be the greatest live act on Earth one night and stink the next. Literally consecutive shows. If you can only make one, best go fer Copey, always good, and the last couple of shows have been 4 HOURS LONG. i.e. 7-11 p.m. yeah, i'll try to make all three. Probably come out in a rash as soon as I've booked my tix :( -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 31 04:19:53 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:19:53 +0000 Subject: OTHER: Primals, Cope in London In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I said... >If you can only make one, best go fer Copey, always >good, and the last couple of shows have been 4 HOURS LONG. i.e. 7-11 >p.m. But now I've seen the poster....erk, it's a solo performance i.e. the accoustic interlude expanded to fill the entire set. Hmmm, well, it won't be quite the same without the band of course, the immaculate psychedelic keyboards of Thighpaulsandra have replaced Kate in Spiritualised, which is where Moon-eye is to be found also. bugger -- Jon From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 31 08:49:09 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:49:09 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: The new BOC FAQ is HERE! Message-ID: Yes, in the "Last Days of '97", I have completed version 2.3 of the BOC FAQ. A copy now resides in the BOC-L archives, or you can get to it from my BOC web page: http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman/ Enjoy, and as always, comments are encouraged! John PS: Assuming that BOC stays on track for a 1998 studio release, version 3.0 of the FAQ will come out soon after that. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 31 08:12:57 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:12:57 EDT Subject: BOC: The order of Imaginos In-Reply-To: <199712301914.OAA03107@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: > From: "Andrew A. Apold" > > > >I know the chronological order of the original > >album cuts, but where would "Overture" and > >"Girl" fit into the scheme? I could assume > >"Girl" occurs in Texas and place it after > >"Imaginos". Any suggestions? I know some > >of you already have made your own tapes. How > >did you order the songs? > > While we know it's a random access work, I'd still put Overture as the first track... > However, I think the FAQ made a vague reference to some > song called "Port Jefferson", as being part of the Imaginos > sage. PJ is on Long Island, right? When would I* have > visited this area? And more importantly, does anyone have > this song anywhere? > I'll have to check a map. I believe the Bouchard Bros are from Jefferson County in upstate New York, and I believe there is a town of Port Jefferson up north somewhere... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 31 08:21:57 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:21:57 EDT Subject: move over steve swann, here's steve tice! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, Steve, we just got over 2 FEET of snow in about 30 hours...Hope you're happy for me! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 31 08:27:49 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:27:49 EDT Subject: OFF: Rolling Stones In-Reply-To: <199712301523.PAA13107@achemar.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: > From: Neil Shilladay > > If it makes you puke, tough shit. The Stones have written many a classic song in > their time, and their gigs still generate a hell of a lot of excitement, > and...fun. > Last time [and I mean the LAST time ever!] I saw the Stones, you couldn't tell who was playing. They were in the local domed football stadium, and even with speakers situated in the middle of the floor facing back, the sound was mush. These guys are more interested in making money than music, pure and simple. Their fans apparently are more impressed with a huge stage and stairways all over the place than what the band sounds like. Good thing, 'cause otherwise they'd be disappointed! > > I'm not getting into a slangin' match, just makin' a point. > Coulda fooled me. Love the way these guys make personal attacks and then say: don't take it personal, i.e. don't say anything mean about me now that I've attacked you! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Dec 31 09:44:38 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:44:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: The order of Imaginos Message-ID: Theo said: >While we know it's a random access work, I'd still put Overture as >the first track... You mean like 2112 Overture? A great Rush song, BTW. Sorry, forget I said it. No more Rush posts! Now if I only had CD-R, I could print my own (as close to the real thing I can possibly get at this time) Imaginos CD. I would be a happy man. For now though, a tape will have to suffice. >> However, I think the FAQ made a vague reference to some >> song called "Port Jefferson", as being part of the Imaginos >> sage. PJ is on Long Island, right? When would I* have >> visited this area? And more importantly, does anyone have >> this song anywhere? >> >I'll have to check a map. I believe the Bouchard Bros are from >Jefferson County in upstate New York, and I believe there is a town >of Port Jefferson up north somewhere... Yeah, up near Alex Bay? I think that's right. Brian obCD> "Exit the Dragon" Urge Overkill -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2571 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Dec 31 10:01:12 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:01:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: move over steve swann, here's steve tice! Message-ID: >Well, Steve, we just got over 2 FEET of snow in about 30 hours...Hope >you're happy for me! Or 60.96 cm even! And 60 miles (96.77 km) away in Rochester we only had about 10 in (25.4 cm) of snow in 30 hrs (30 hrs). Brian >theo > >.................................. >"I told you not to be stupid..." >--Ben S. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2115 bytes Desc: not available URL: From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Dec 31 09:51:35 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:51:35 -0600 Subject: Off: Da Stones Message-ID: >Well thank you for that constructive critisism Adrian Beavis n Butthead. >You say you heard the concert on the radio ? It's never the same as being there, and that goes for ANY band, 3OC included. >If it makes you puke, tough shit. The Stones have written many a classic song intheir time, and their gigs still generate a hell of a lot of excitement, and...fun. >I'm not getting into a slangin' match, just makin' a point. >Neil OK not slangin' just making a point ("Bevais and Butthead", "tough shit" hmmmm.). Same thing I was doing, agreeing to Theo's point. I won't skrag your like for this or any other band, freedom of speech and all. Nor will I deny that Stones have to be one of the most successful bands in history, $90 million on the recent tour is proof enough. However, bottom line, the Stones SUCK! That is just my (and at least one other) opinion. We can let it go at that. Except for the little thing Theo and I were talking about, Mick and the boys ain't worth the bandwidth. lil' ab OBCD - Sea Level, Best of... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 31 10:04:22 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:04:22 -0500 Subject: BOC: The order of Imaginos Message-ID: > However, I think the FAQ made a vague reference to some > song called "Port Jefferson", as being part of the Imaginos > sage. PJ is on Long Island, right? When would I* have > visited this area? And more importantly, does anyone have > this song anywhere? I've never heard this song - it was written way back in the late 60s or early 70s by Buck, and as far as I know, Albert wasn't involved with the music for it so that's probably why it wasn't included in his demos, and perhaps he didn't know where it would fit? But, if Imaginos was born in New Hampshire, perhaps he stopped in New York on his way to Texas or New Orleans? John From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Dec 31 09:58:21 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:58:21 -0600 Subject: Symphonic Imaginos Message-ID: Steve Tice posted: >1. I am the One You Warned Me Of 2. Imaginos 3. Gil Blanco County 4. Del Rio's Song 5. Blue Oyster Cult 6. Les Invisibles 7. The Girl That Love Made Blind 8. Frankenstein 9. In the Presence of Another World 10. Blue Oyster Cult Reprise 11. Astronomy 12. Magna of Illusion 13. Magna Reprise >Hopefully, when Imaginos is re-released--and Pearlman expressed to me the >hope that when the comic book finally is published that might give them the >impetus to do so--they will add the remaining tunes onto the disc, because >both Gil Blanco County and Girl are fantastic (Albert's version of Gil Blanco >County is incredibly atmospheric and moody). This would be a good time for tBS to redo the songs with help from Savatage/TSO team. Turn it into a rock opera with that great symphonic sound. Summer release sounds good. lil' ab Yeah, keep playing with fire super pants you don't know how much fire your playing with." - Evil Midnight Bomber From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Wed Dec 31 10:06:24 1997 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:06:24 GMT Subject: Off: Da Stones Message-ID: Ab ... I agree completely. Your (& theos') opinion is nowhere near mine. But lets leave it at that. Let's leave this thread. Now if BOC were up there with big stage sets, we'd all be happy, right ? :) Happy New Year to you, theo & the rest of the list. Cheers, Neil. ObCD Nick Drake : 'Pink Moon' From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 31 10:14:55 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:14:55 -0500 Subject: Off: Da Stones Message-ID: My $0.02 on the Stones... They've put out some pretty good tunes over the years, and have influence a lot of musicians that followed them. I've never been overly impressed with their musicianship, but they've had a knack for writing some catchy tunes. I haven't paid much attention to them in the last 15 years, but I doubt that all of their commercial success in that time can be considered based on their previous successes - that is, if they've sucked for the past 15 years, they wouldn't be as successful today as they are. As for their live sound, I remember thinking back in the early 80s that the stuff I heard from them live sounded pretty bad. I had a little band in high school and we were trying to cover a Stones song or two, and the guitarist remarked how they did the song live - it was very sloppy and untrue to the original -- I remarked to him that "well, WE can't do it that way 'cuz we're not the Stones - they can get away with that, but no-one's gonna listen to US play that way". I saw a brief clip on TV of Mick "singing" (if you can call it that) "Satisfaction" on the current tour - none of the song's original melody was evident. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 31 09:19:41 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:19:41 EDT Subject: Off: Da Stones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > OK not slangin' just making a point ("Bevais and Butthead", "tough shit" > hmmmm.). Same thing I was doing, agreeing to Theo's point. I won't > skrag your like for this or any other band, freedom of speech and all. > Nor will I deny that Stones have to be one of the most successful bands > in history, $90 million on the recent tour is proof enough. However, Seems like a lot of people bought a lot of New Kids on the Block, Vanilla Ice and Spice Girls records over the ages too! Financial success is hardly the measure of any band's work. I'd drive all over the northeast to see tBS who probably are about as wealthy as I am, while I won't go the Stones later this month when they're playing my home town. I think Keef's been a very influential musician over time and has written plenty of great songs in his day. He just hasn't done anything much the last 10 years or so. Face it, the Stones are Mick's group, and he's the main reason for these absurd tours. I figure to vote with my feet: The Stones aren't getting any of my money, so if other people want to go to their show, it's nothing to me. If they can convince themselves they've just had a wonderful concert experience, more power to them! > bottom line, the Stones SUCK! That is just my (and at least one other) > opinion. We can let it go at that. Except for the little thing Theo and > I were talking about, Mick and the boys ain't worth the bandwidth. > > lil' ab > > OBCD - Sea Level, Best of... Hey AB, is this one of the new Capricorn reissues? They're putting out all the early Allmans stuff remastered, as well as SL! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Dec 31 10:39:25 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:39:25 -0500 Subject: BOC: The order of Imaginos Message-ID: >I've never heard this song - it was written way back in the late 60s >or early 70s by Buck, and as far as I know, Albert wasn't involved >with the music for it so that's probably why it wasn't included in >his demos, and perhaps he didn't know where it would fit? > >But, if Imaginos was born in New Hampshire, perhaps he stopped in >New York on his way to Texas or New Orleans? Hmmmm.... we know he left New Orleans on a boat... what if he went up the mississippi, up the Illinois river, portaged across to the Chicago river (a canal links them today), into Lake Michigan, over to Lake Huron, Lake St. Clair, Lake Erie, over Niagra Falls, across Lake Ontario, stopping by the Thousand Islands region near Clayton, further down the St. lawrence, he could then cut across to Lake Champlain across Vermont and back to New Hampshire.... nah... From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed Dec 31 11:00:17 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:00:17 -0500 Subject: move over steve swann, here's steve tice! In-Reply-To: from "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" at Dec 31, 97 09:21:57 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 writes: > > Well, Steve, we just got over 2 FEET of snow in about 30 hours...Hope > you're happy for me! Hey, a few years (ok, maybe a little over a decade) ago, I remember a january where we got 3 inches of snow per day. You say "Hah, three inches! That's nothing!". But we got three inches of snow every day for something like 16 days in a row. By the time it was done, we had the piles of snow at the end of our driveway were 11' high. I won't bring up the Blizzard of '77, because I was young enough at the time that I actually enjoyed it. ;-) By the way, just so this post isn't totally off-topic... I'll have some time over New Year's - I'll get that review of the Brain Surgeons @ Meow Mix ready by the weekend. Steve From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Dec 31 04:35:26 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 02:35:26 -0700 Subject: "Au Revoir", not "Goodbye" Message-ID: Chris Warburton wrote: > Everybody, > > Due to my marriage having gone into terminal meltdown on Xmas eve, I'm > > going to be off-list for a while from Friday 2nd Jan. (She & the kids > get > custody of the PC). > I'll still be "receiving" until Friday a.m. > > Fortunately,my new freelance job is pretty lucrative, so I should be > back > in 2-3 months (as long as it takes to get a new PC & a place to live). > > Good luck & Happy New Year > I hope that your Yule/Xmas/Hannukah was better than mine. I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune-and hope the new year will be better for you!!Pam > > > ============================ From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Dec 31 04:41:45 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 02:41:45 -0700 Subject: Happy new year Message-ID: Happy New Year to all and may you have lots of awesome music to listen to make it better. May there be new music from all of our favorite bands this year-and may we discover more neat stuff to listen to!! May there also be peace on our world:) Pam From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 31 13:58:46 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 19:58:46 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! In-Reply-To: <34AA1359.B51E1DB4@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: Hey, happy new year every one. Figured this last post of mine of 97 should be a very apt and correct descriptive of Hawkwind and the fans, snipped from Usenet. This guy thinks what he is describing is a BAD thing! Sheesh, some folks! :) Christian ObCDROM: Hawkwind _Chronicle Of The Black Sword_!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- TUBULAR 1 wrote: To explain to somebody who never heard about Hawkwind before, here is my observation: I Had Hawkwind perform at the Palace a few years ago and was at a loss for words on how poorly these folks lived together and seemed to live completely off Pot and whatever drugs to keep them going... Nice Guys, yeah, but so are the Cows on O:land in Sverige! The stuff they performed was a conglomeration or a pudding stone if you so wish of noise! And, an attempt at steadfast rhythm, through two drummers who were both pretty lame... The sounds were based on Pink Noise meets White Noise under the guise of Rock & Roll... (kinda sad and worn out statement in the 90s...) The Palace, A 1400 seater, had some 400 seemingly equally stoned people (most of them students from or genuine relics of the Hippie era) on the floor, possibly unaware of the perpetual strobe lights and over use of smoke and virtually no lights to see this band... Some film and looped sequential slides were shown although they never reached the stage because of all the smoke, so the folks on the floor (and that's where they all were) couldn't see any of that (NB. If they Could see the band, they would probably be as shocked as the house crew were during Soundcheck) It was all kinda like some of the early to mid 90s Metal Industrial Bands... Only, I can't recall them playing as much as one song... There was some humming and low mixed vocals, but that just matched their talents...If you ever see a Hawkwind show, Don't ever expect it to be anything like some of their 70s albums that actually had a song or two on them, one that comes to mind is the album In The Hall Of the Mountain Grill....(Nice Album cover too) Now, I saw Hawkwind 4 times, 1970, 1973, 1974, and 1990 or was that 1989... I've never done any drugs, so exclude me from the trippy crap that only those under the influence can appreciate...(see any textfile for The Grateful Dead on this one too) I liked perhaps a couple of their songs, but in general, it's nothing but endless sound orgies , introvert jams which amazingly seemed to be going over well with this audience... (Most of these folks are the same panhandlers you see in the streets, so I wonder how on earth they got inside the venue this night) and thus have nothing to do with BOC whatsoever.... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 31 13:30:06 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:30:06 EDT Subject: Deb Frost in Print In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We just got in The Rolling Stone Book of Women in Rock, which features an essay on Patti Smith by none other than Deb Frost. This is an excellent article, and the book in general is very worthwhile. Check it out! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Dec 31 14:52:05 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:52:05 -0500 Subject: BOC-L trivia quiz Message-ID: No, it's not BOC trivia. It's not Hawkwind trivia. It's BOC-L trivia. 1. What exactly does the Mitre Corporation do? 2. What is Captain Cloud's secret identity (i.e., real name) 3. Name a BOC-L'er who is a comic shop owner. 4. What does "R.O.D.S." stand for? 5. What exactly was on the tape that Theo had been promising for years? 6. What southwestern U.S. town was unsuccessfully promoted as a site for a Blue ?yster Cult and/or Hawkwind appearance in early July, 1997? 7. What is the most dangerous animal in Sweden? 8. Who copied the tapes for "Hawkwind Covers All"? 9. What BOC-L person is named after a character from a movie featured on Mystery Science Theater 3000? 10. Who once praised the "haunting, female backing vocals" in Last Days of May, only to be told by Albert that those vocals were by Joe and Albert? Anyways, hope this isn't presumptious to use people for this. "New Year's Eve was the final barrier".... Andrew From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Dec 31 15:35:30 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:35:30 -0500 Subject: The Van Song Message-ID: Not that I'm complaining, but does anyone else think the opening for The Van Song sounds like some Nirvana song I can't exactly recall the name of? -AAA From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 31 14:35:00 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:35:00 EDT Subject: BOC-L trivia quiz In-Reply-To: <199712311952.OAA17840@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: > From: "Andrew A. Apold" > > 1. What exactly does the Mitre Corporation do? > Makes hats for Bishops and Popes... > 2. What is Captain Cloud's secret identity (i.e., real name) > Captain Crunch > 3. Name a BOC-L'er who is a comic shop owner. > Jon Browne > 4. What does "R.O.D.S." stand for? > F.I.I.K [Fucked if I know!] > 5. What exactly was on the tape that Theo had been promising for years? > Grr....#$%@ !#$ > 6. What southwestern U.S. town was unsuccessfully promoted as a site for a > Blue ?yster Cult and/or Hawkwind appearance in early July, 1997? > Roswell NM > 7. What is the most dangerous animal in Sweden? > Depends--either a Moose or a myopic golfer... > 8. Who copied the tapes for "Hawkwind Covers All"? > Steve Swann... > 9. What BOC-L person is named after a character from a movie featured > on Mystery Science Theater 3000? > Torgo > 10. Who once praised the "haunting, female backing vocals" in > Last Days of May, only to be told by Albert that those > vocals were by Joe and Albert? Andrew Apold theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Dec 31 15:36:34 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:36:34 -0500 Subject: Dreamland Message-ID: >Not that I'm complaining, but does anyone else >think the opening for The Van Song sounds like >some Nirvana song I can't exactly recall the name of? whoops, I meant Dreamland. My track indicator was messed up on my computer... From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Dec 31 15:45:13 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:45:13 -0500 Subject: BOC-L trivia quiz Message-ID: >No, it's not BOC trivia. > >It's not Hawkwind trivia. > >It's BOC-L trivia. > >1. What exactly does the Mitre Corporation do? Provide an employee to write the BOC FAQ. >2. What is Captain Cloud's secret identity (i.e., real name) Captain Cloud (i.e. "there is no Dana, only Zool" from Ghostbusters) >3. Name a BOC-L'er who is a comic shop owner. You mean a businessperson with a sense of humor? > 4. What does "R.O.D.S." stand for? Ripping On Doug Smith >5. What exactly was on the tape that Theo had been promising for years? The new BOC album >6. What southwestern U.S. town was unsuccessfully promoted as a site for a > Blue ?yster Cult and/or Hawkwind appearance in early July, 1997? Tombstone, Arizona >7. What is the most dangerous animal in Sweden? Surely not the gentle Scandinavian Moose what tramps and plays in yon snow-covered hills? >8. Who copied the tapes for "Hawkwind Covers All"? An Italian bootleg company who are going to repackage it as Paranoid Acid Assassins of Yuri Gagarin Volume XXXI >9. What BOC-L person is named after a character from a movie featured > on Mystery Science Theater 3000? There are some who call me Xodax the Destroyer >10. Who once praised the "haunting, female backing vocals" in > Last Days of May, only to be told by Albert that those > vocals were by Joe and Albert? Not me. No sir! I much prefer the female backing vocals in the ETL version of Dr. Music. >Anyways, hope this isn't presumptious to use people for this. >"New Year's Eve was the final barrier".... >Andrew It's been a great '97. I wish everyone the best for '98. Brian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3142 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 31 15:49:30 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:49:30 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! Message-ID: >Hey, happy new year every one. Figured this last post of mine of 97 should be a very apt and correct descriptive of Hawkwind and the fans, snipped from Usenet. This guy thinks what he is describing is a BAD thing! Sheesh, some folks! :) That post was by none other than the esteemed head of the BOC fanclub - he's not exactly a fan of Hawkwind, but I've been working with him to try and get him to stop repressing his feelings... ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 31 15:50:00 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:50:00 -0500 Subject: Deb Frost in Print Message-ID: >features an essay on Patti Smith by none other than Deb Frost. Deb at her "other job"... John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 31 15:51:28 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:51:28 -0500 Subject: BOC-L trivia quiz Message-ID: >1. What exactly does the Mitre Corporation do? LOL - damned if I know! >5. What exactly was on the tape that Theo had been promising for years? LMAO - poor Theo - that tape will be his legacy... Don't fret buddy, we all still love ya... John From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Wed Dec 31 17:24:10 1997 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:24:10 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! Message-ID: >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >TUBULAR 1 wrote: > And, an attempt at steadfast rhythm, through two drummers who were >both pretty lame... Well, he says he's never done any drugs, but what exactly is he talking about? Unless he's been confused by Nik's bunch in '94, maybe? Kevin Sommers From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Dec 31 18:07:09 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:07:09 -0500 Subject: BOC-L trivia quiz Message-ID: >>It's BOC-L trivia. >> >> 4. What does "R.O.D.S." stand for? >Ripping On Doug Smith I thought it was 'Rubbing Out Doug Smith'. What's the diff? Bonus Questions... 11. What does 'FoFP' stand for?? 12. What does 'FAA' stand for?? (No, it's not the Federal Aviation Authority). 13. Who coined the term 'asthmatic waterfowl' to describe Nik Turner's saxophone? Keith H. (FAA) From makmorn at QIS.NET Wed Dec 31 18:55:27 1997 From: makmorn at QIS.NET (Daniel Ligon) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:55:27 -0500 Subject: BOC-L trivia quiz In-Reply-To: <199712312307.SAA06544@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu>; from Keith Henderson on Wed, Dec 31, 1997 at 06:07:09PM -0500 Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 31, 1997 at 06:07:09PM -0500, Keith Henderson said: > > 11. What does 'FoFP' stand for?? Friends of Fernando Poo. -- Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net I have known Geryon. He is not worthy of trust. -- _Inferno_ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 31 20:18:31 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:18:31 +0100 Subject: BOC-L trivia quiz In-Reply-To: <19971231185527.45405@makmorn.> Message-ID: At 18:55 31.12.97 -0500, you wrote: >On Wed, Dec 31, 1997 at 06:07:09PM -0500, Keith Henderson said: >> >> 11. What does 'FoFP' stand for?? > >Friends of Fernando Poo. > > >-- >Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net It's all making sense now.... damn clever!!!!!!All hailEris!!!!!!!!!!mwwwahaha hppy new year!! From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Dec 31 20:22:09 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:22:09 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! In-Reply-To: <004d01bd163a$d2f30ca0$4c29d8cc@Sommers.dnanet.com> Message-ID: At 15:24 31.12.97 -0700, you wrote: >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>TUBULAR 1 wrote: >> >And, an attempt at steadfast rhythm, through two drummers who were >>both pretty lame... > >Well, he says he's never done any drugs, but what exactly is he talking >about? >Unless he's been confused by Nik's bunch in '94, maybe? > >Kevin Sommers maybe if bolle saw 2 drummers maybe the one drummer saw half a bolle? s'all a matter of perspecktive y'see. christian From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Dec 31 23:41:45 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 23:41:45 EST Subject: Snow (at last!) :-) Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-31 09:22:30 EST, you write: << Well, Steve, we just got over 2 FEET of snow in about 30 hours...Hope you're happy for me! >> Well, I'd probably be very jealous of you if we hadn't gotten fourteen inches of our own yesterday. :-) Considering we hadn't had more than a half inch up until then, I'm much happier now! Too bad it waited until after Christmas, but at least SOME people still have their outdoor decorations up.... Now if we'd just get a few more feet and it would stay nice and cold to preserve it for the rest of the winter, I'd be REALLY happy! :-) SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Dec 31 23:48:34 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 23:48:34 EST Subject: Snow Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-31 11:00:57 EST, you write: << I won't bring up the Blizzard of '77, because I was young enough at the time that I actually enjoyed it. ;-) >> Gee, I must be young at heart or something, then, because I love snow now more than I ever did! I couldn't wait to get out there and start shoveling our foot of snow yesterday...and I fondly remember the 28-inchers of '93 and '94! Ah, those were the days! :-) SET From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 31 18:20:48 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 23:20:48 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! Message-ID: > That post was by none other than the esteemed head of the BOC fanclub - Not sure about the "esteemed" bit :) Actually, I'll tell you what surprised me, it's where Bolle says he's never done any drugs! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK Tue Dec 30 16:23:27 1997 From: N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK (Nick Widdows) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:23:27 +0000 Subject: Making Hawkwind eletronic comp In-Reply-To: <+AvwoVA9zp$0Ewme@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: > In article <199803041555.PAA03795 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes > writes > >I'm thinking of making a compilation of Hawkwind electronic tracks > >looking for those in the TD style. The ones I figure have to go in are: > > > >Forge of Vulcan > >Blue Shift > >Wind of Change > >The Iron Dream > >Satellite > >Lost Chronicles > >Wastelands > > > > > > > >Any others a must? > > > >FoFP The Pulsating Cavern. Take my word for it. ---------------------- Nick Widdows NWiddows at bradford.ac.uk