From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Apr 1 05:18:12 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:18:12 UT Subject: HW: Spice is deep Message-ID: I was watching this programme on Channel 5 last night, OK, and it turns out that Mel C (of the fabulous Spice Girls) is a bit of a Hawkwind fan! She went to the HW/Ozrics show at Brixton last year! And she wanted to call their first album "In Search of Spice"! BTW, the name of their group is actually a reference to Frank Herbert's _Dune_! - Andy ObCD: Rollins Band - _Liar_ Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 1 05:53:49 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:53:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Spice is deep In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >I was watching this programme on Channel 5 last night, OK, and it turns out >that Mel C (of the fabulous Spice Girls) is a bit of a Hawkwind fan! She went >to the HW/Ozrics show at Brixton last year! And she wanted to call their >first album "In Search of Spice"! > >BTW, the name of their group is actually a reference to Frank Herbert's >_Dune_! > >- Andy > Happy April Fool's Day, Andy! I actually fell for that for nearly a minute! -- Jon Browne From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Tue Apr 1 11:08:16 1997 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:08:16 -0500 Subject: IRC Chat with Buck Dharma Message-ID: Hi, folks: Just a reminder that The Artist Shop is hosting an IRC Chat with Buck Dharma Wednesday evening at 9pm EST. Full details are at the IRC page in The Artist Shop . Gary While you're there, don't forget to check out the Brain Surgeons ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Apr 1 11:32:30 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:32:30 -0600 Subject: HW: web "ring" proposal In-Reply-To: Sonique "Re: HW: web "ring" proposal" (Mar 28, 1:22am) Message-ID: Sonique wrote: > On 18 Mar 97 at 15:43, Frank Weil wrote: > > > (3) Some sort of format for the links. I can take a stab at > > this if there is interest. > > (4) An agreement that each site in the ring occasionally check > > to make sure that its two links are still functioning so > > that the ring isn't broken. > > (5) Some idea of where we add new ring entries. I am open to > > suggestions here, too. > > > > Comments? Suggestions? Large quantities of unmarked bills? > > These, and many other related questions have allready been answered at > http://www.webring.org .... Let's do it! FoFP pointed the webring site out to me. I checked it out and it looks pretty good. I'll try to hack together a ring home page for comment either today or tomorrow. If someone out there has some talent in this area, or even the proper tools for doing cool (but small) graphics, please put them to good use. I have some suggestions for graphics, but no way to produce them (and probably don't have the talent even if I did :-). For example, how about the letters of the words "Hawkwind Web Ring" forming a Stonehenge-like circle? Or maybe a Hawkwind symbol (a hawk?) at the center of a galaxy or solar system? We could even consider using a modified version of the nethawks t-shirt image without the plane or BOC symbol. I'll work on this stuff when I can. Between getting engaged recently, selling my fiancee's place, vacations, and a business trip, I have been stretched a bit thin lately. I'll try to keep moving on this, but if someone would like to volunteer to help, it would be appreciated. Thanks, Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Well, perhaps some pleasant word-game? Make a sentence out of the following words: "Face... sodding... your... shut". -- Melchett and Edmund : Chains From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Apr 1 11:36:27 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:36:27 +0200 Subject: HW; PXR5 and Hawklords Message-ID: Does anybody know where I can get these essential pieces of music-history on CD? mvh -Daniel "almost crying" Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Tue Apr 1 12:50:02 1997 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael G Karschner) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:50:02 -0800 Subject: BOC; When are chats? Message-ID: jean l delacour wrote: > > BOC-L; > > We are moving into the 90's finally!! So does anybody know when those > much talked about live chats on AOL are held? > > Thanks.... > > Manuel & > > Jean Delacour They're held the second Tuesday of every month from 10 pm to midnight (Eastern time) in the Nightclub on AOL--go to keyword "nightclub." It's usually a pretty interesting time. -- Mike From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Apr 1 10:16:26 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:16:26 UT Subject: HW: Spice is deep Message-ID: >Happy April Fool's Day, Andy! I actually fell for that for nearly a >minute! The ObCD should have been a giveaway, if nothing else! I thought about posting something about the Blue Oyster Cult having a new album out, but absolutely no-one would have fallen for that... :) - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 1 12:18:56 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:18:56 EDT Subject: HW: Spice is deep Message-ID: > From: Andrew Gilham > >Happy April Fool's Day, Andy! I actually fell for that for nearly a > >minute! > > The ObCD should have been a giveaway, if nothing else! > > I thought about posting something about the Blue Oyster Cult having a new > album out, but absolutely no-one would have fallen for that... :) > > - Andy > I was thinking of posting something about BOC being signed to do the soundtrack for this summer's anticipated hit 'Men In Black...' theo From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Apr 1 19:37:16 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:37:16 -0700 Subject: BOC; When are chats? In-Reply-To: <33414ACA.7052@deltanet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Michael G Karschner wrote: > jean l delacour wrote: > > > > BOC-L; > > > > We are moving into the 90's finally!! So does anybody know when those > > much talked about live chats on AOL are held? > > > > Thanks.... > > > > Manuel & > > > > Jean Delacour > > They're held the second Tuesday of every month from 10 pm to midnight > (Eastern time) in the Nightclub on AOL--go to keyword "nightclub." It's > usually a pretty interesting time. > > -- Mike > Thanks alot!! We'll check it out next week. We'll be a guest under the name LinColFur at aol.com. Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed Apr 2 11:46:47 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:46:47 EST Subject: HW: Douglas ITJ In-Reply-To: ; from "Jon Browne" at Mar 25, 97 09:34:31 am Message-ID: Hi Just been to phil franks site,via Welcome etc,and have just noticed that there is a picture of Doug Smith,from the early seventies.I now can place him in a photo from kris taits book.Its the picture with the band receiving doremi shields. But who is the dude in the trench coat ? does anyone know. regards Marty obcd(single):-Apollo440 -Aint talking bout Dub! From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Apr 1 23:43:10 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 06:43:10 +0200 Subject: HW; PXR5 and Hawklords Message-ID: At 18:36 1997-04-01 +0200, you wrote: >Does anybody know where I can get these >essential pieces of music-history on CD? you have to find them used, as they only was released on Virgin at 1989. finding them as vinyl is easier. > mvh -Daniel "almost crying" Wikdahl > >"Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) \\joe "I got a parrot -I'm in charge" don't think the translation makes more sense than the pure Swedish, Pam. guess you got to know mr Fuchs to understand :0) From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Apr 2 00:19:15 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:19:15 -0500 Subject: HW: P.X.R.5 and 25 Years On Message-ID: Regarding P.X.R.5 and 25 Years On: >you have to find them used, as they only was released on Virgin at 1989. >finding them as vinyl is easier. Is that right? I have the virgin copies, and I was wondering just the other day whether Griffin had reissued them with cool extra pictures etc. as is their wont. I guess not, huh? I should point out also that the CD and vinyl versions of P.X.R. 5 do not contain the same music. There are completely different vocal tracks on "High Rise" and both "High Rise" and "P.X.R.5" are edited and mixed differently, so to be complete, you'll actually need the vinyl AND the CD versions. Oh the difficult life of a hawkfan.... John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Apr 2 00:21:12 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:21:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Spice is deep Message-ID: >> I thought about posting something about the Blue Oyster Cult having a new >> album out, but absolutely no-one would have fallen for that... :) >> >> - Andy Ironically, I was thinking about something saying that Hawkwind wouldn't have a new album out this week, but nobody would have fallen for that either! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Wed Apr 2 02:00:07 1997 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:00:07 -0700 Subject: BOC in Australia Message-ID: >Hi to all BOC fans, > As a 27yr old fan who has necer seen BOC live, even on tape, I was >wondering if anyone knew whether they have any plans to tour Austrlaia. If >anyone, or even band members, know could they please answer this one...I'm >going out of my mind wondering what they are like live. Got all the albums, >and the live ones lead me to think they kick it, but just need to see them >once before I go. > Thanx for your help, and later for all :) >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hey Mate, With a little planning this might be your reason for coming up state-side for a visit. Start saving. James Coburn Albuquerque, New Mexico USA From c9400300 at BOHM.ANU.EDU.AU Wed Apr 2 02:03:08 1997 From: c9400300 at BOHM.ANU.EDU.AU (Brad Crawford) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:03:08 +1000 Subject: BOC in Australia Message-ID: At 12:00 AM 4/2/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Hi to all BOC fans, >> As a 27yr old fan who has necer seen BOC live, even on tape, I was >>wondering if anyone knew whether they have any plans to tour Austrlaia. If >>anyone, or even band members, know could they please answer this one...I'm >>going out of my mind wondering what they are like live. Got all the albums, >>and the live ones lead me to think they kick it, but just need to see them >>once before I go. >> Thanx for your help, and later for all :) >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > >Hey Mate, > >With a little planning this might be your reason for coming up state-side >for a visit. Start saving. > >James Coburn >Albuquerque, New Mexico USA > > That's already the plan *lol*..was a couple of years ago, but then TAFKAP came out, so shelved the plan, but it's definately back on. Might see you ata gig :) Later ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3 more lives of Peace, Love and Happiness =8-) Brad Crawford, Memento Mortis, Blessed Be E-Mail: c9400300 at student.anu.edu.au "The tears of GOD flow as I bleed" - Blue Oyster Cult "Who needs a gun to feel natonal pride, Who's fundamental truths rely on genocide" - Def FX "I haven't begun to start defiling myself" - 'Doc' Holiday ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From c9400300 at BOHM.ANU.EDU.AU Wed Apr 2 03:22:20 1997 From: c9400300 at BOHM.ANU.EDU.AU (Brad Crawford) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:22:20 +1000 Subject: Bad Channels Message-ID: I was just looking through a lyrics server and searched for BOC albums it listed Bad Channels. I thought I had every album release of theirs upto Workshop, but have never heard of this album before. Could someone enlighten me about it, whether it's still available and if it's available on CD. Thanx in advance Brad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3 more lives of Peace, Love and Happiness =8-) Brad Crawford, Memento Mortis, Blessed Be E-Mail: c9400300 at student.anu.edu.au "The tears of GOD flow as I bleed" - Blue Oyster Cult "Who needs a gun to feel natonal pride, Who's fundamental truths rely on genocide" - Def FX "I haven't begun to start defiling myself" - 'Doc' Holiday ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 2 09:35:39 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:35:39 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Spice is deep Message-ID: O gods! This means the Spice Girls are a SF related band, f'r cryin' out loud! The world is a weird place ... Carl On tis 1 apr 1997 10.18 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: > I was watching this programme on Channel 5 last night, OK, and it turns > out that Mel C (of the fabulous Spice Girls) is a bit of a Hawkwind fan! > She went to the HW/Ozrics show at Brixton last year! And she wanted to > call their first album "In Search of Spice"! > > BTW, the name of their group is actually a reference to Frank Herbert's > _Dune_! > > - Andy > > ObCD: Rollins Band - _Liar_ > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 2 09:37:41 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:37:41 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Spice is deep Message-ID: Damn! And I fell for it completely --- that's what I get for letting my guard down on the second but reading mail from the first! It's a fair cop .... :) On tis 1 apr 1997 11.53 "Jon Browne" wrote: > In message , Andrew Gilham > writes > >I was watching this programme on Channel 5 last night, OK, and it turns > >out that Mel C (of the fabulous Spice Girls) is a bit of a Hawkwind > >fan! She went to the HW/Ozrics show at Brixton last year! And she > >wanted to call their first album "In Search of Spice"! > > > >BTW, the name of their group is actually a reference to Frank Herbert's > >_Dune_! > > > >- Andy > > > Happy April Fool's Day, Andy! I actually fell for that for nearly a > minute! > -- > Jon Browne From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Apr 2 05:28:56 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:28:56 +0200 Subject: NIK;New Anatomy Message-ID: Hmmm, I'm not sure if I'm using the correct header. Long-time Nik see... sort of... I've found ICUs "New Anatomy" in mail-order catalogue and I wonder if it's worth getting. The only ICU songs I ever have heard are "Raj Neesh" (sp?), which I like quite a lot, and "Space Invaders", which I didn't like at all... dazed and confused -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Apr 2 06:16:35 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:16:35 +0200 Subject: HW; PXR5 and Hawklords Message-ID: I wrote; >>Does anybody know where I can get these >>essential pieces of music-history on CD? > Joe wrote; >you have to find them used, as they only was released on Virgin at 1989. >finding them as vinyl is easier. > I have good news... I have found what seems to be a new copy of PXR5!!! And it's a CD!!! Hurray! >>"Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) > >"I got a parrot -I'm in charge" >don't think the translation makes more sense than the pure Swedish, Pam. >guess you got to know mr Fuchs to understand :0) Fy dig Johan... du visste att jag inte t?nkte svara p? den fr?gan va'? :-) -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Apr 2 06:23:23 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:23:23 +0200 Subject: HW: P.X.R.5 and 25 Years On Message-ID: Joe; >Regarding P.X.R.5 and 25 Years On: >>you have to find them used, as they only was released on Virgin at 1989. >>finding them as vinyl is easier. > > Jon Majka; >Is that right? I have the virgin copies, and I was wondering just the other >day whether Griffin had reissued them with cool extra pictures etc. as is >their wont. I guess not, huh? I should point out also that the CD and >vinyl versions of P.X.R. 5 do not contain the same music. There are >completely different vocal tracks on "High Rise" and both "High Rise" and >"P.X.R.5" are edited and mixed differently, so to be complete, you'll >actually need the vinyl AND the CD versions. Oh the difficult life of a >hawkfan.... Shit! Please -tell me more about the differences. -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Apr 2 06:26:15 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:26:15 +0200 Subject: HW: Spice is deep Message-ID: > Damn! And I fell for it completely --- that's what I get for letting >my guard down on the second but reading mail from the first! > > It's a fair cop .... :) > Du ska inte vara ledsen oever det... du aer inte ensam jag lovar dig. ;-) -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Apr 2 07:44:06 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:44:06 +1000 Subject: HW; PXR5 and Hawklords In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19970402063954.141f20e2@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, \joe wrote: > At 18:36 1997-04-01 +0200, you wrote: > >Does anybody know where I can get these > >essential pieces of music-history on CD? > > you have to find them used, as they only was released on Virgin at 1989. > finding them as vinyl is easier. I have tried to order them from Virgin, and it don't work. I am told that you can get Hawklords still, but forget PXR5. Troy From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Apr 2 08:26:34 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:26:34 -0500 Subject: Bad Channels Message-ID: > I was just looking through a lyrics server and searched for BOC albums it >listed Bad Channels. I thought I had every album release of theirs upto >Workshop, but have never heard of this album before. Could someone >enlighten me about it, whether it's still available and if it's available >on CD. > Thanx in advance Brad (it's in the FAQ). Bad Channels was a horror flick that BOC did most of the soundtrack for. Look for it in the movie section of a record store... +----------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Baron Roger Shrubstaff of the Amtgard Barony of Silverwater| (Kingdom of the Burning Lands), aka | Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +---------------------------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Apr 2 09:10:07 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:10:07 +0200 Subject: HW; PXR5 and Hawklords Message-ID: At 10:44 PM 4/2/97 +1000, you wrote: >On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, \joe wrote: > >> At 18:36 1997-04-01 +0200, you wrote: >> >Does anybody know where I can get these >> >essential pieces of music-history on CD? >> >> you have to find them used, as they only was released on Virgin at 1989. >> finding them as vinyl is easier. > > I have tried to order them from Virgin, and it don't work. I am told >that you can get Hawklords still, but forget PXR5. > > Troy > Different vocal trax or not...the CD PXR5 is on it's way to my town, flat, living-room, CD-PLAYER in this very moment. Happy happy! Joy joy! -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 2 16:38:09 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:38:09 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Spice is deep Message-ID: On ons 2 apr 1997 13.26 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > > Damn! And I fell for it completely --- that's what I get for > > letting my guard down on the second but reading mail from the first! > > It's a fair cop .... :) > > Du ska inte vara ledsen oever det... du aer inte ensam jag lovar dig. > ;-) Well, frankly, working from the knowledge that Samantha Fox was a Hawkfan (gods help us) I was more than capable of believing the Spice Girls! :) Cheers, Carl From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Apr 2 11:14:31 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:14:31 -0500 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970402102856.013abd78@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > Hmmm, I'm not sure if I'm using the correct header. > Long-time Nik see... sort of... > > I've found ICUs "New Anatomy" in mail-order catalogue and I wonder if > it's worth getting. > The only ICU songs I ever have heard are "Raj Neesh" (sp?), which I like > quite a lot, and "Space Invaders", which I didn't like at all... If it is cheap, then it might be worth picking up, otherwise, probably not. _New Anatomy_ is probably the least liked of all the ICU releases in my experience. I have a copy, but rarely listen to it. There are some nice tracks on it, but, overall, it is not a memorable album by any stretch of the imagination. (Okay, save for having a Sinclair Spectrum program tacked onto the end of it!) Cheers, Paul. obSickOfHearingAboutIt: Cults in the news e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Apr 2 11:19:01 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:19:01 -0500 Subject: HW: P.X.R.5 and 25 Years On In-Reply-To: <199704020519.AAA26699@wcic.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, John Majka wrote: > Is that right? I have the virgin copies, and I was wondering just the other > day whether Griffin had reissued them with cool extra pictures etc. as is > their wont. I guess not, huh? I should point out also that the CD and > vinyl versions of P.X.R. 5 do not contain the same music. There are > completely different vocal tracks on "High Rise" and both "High Rise" and > "P.X.R.5" are edited and mixed differently, so to be complete, you'll > actually need the vinyl AND the CD versions. Oh the difficult life of a > hawkfan.... Actually, I was listening to the _Tales from the Atomhenge_ compilation the other day and remembered thinking that the version of "High Rise" on there sounded the same as I remembered the version to be on my vinyl copy of _PXR 5_. So, perhaps you *can* get all the various versions on CD? (Cue: codex, someone...) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Smashing Pumpkins, _gish_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From ellis at SES.COM Wed Apr 2 11:47:35 1997 From: ellis at SES.COM (Michel Ellis) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:47:35 -0600 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy Message-ID: I'd have to agree. I'd heard of ICU and a couple of songs that I like, so when I found a mail order place (in Belgium) that had NA, I ordered it even though it was quite expensive (plus I had to pay shipping to the US). I listened to it a couple of times when I got it, but haven't since then. (I wished I'd saved the money to spend on one of the EMI remasters instead !) -mike At 11:14 AM 4/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > >> Hmmm, I'm not sure if I'm using the correct header. >> Long-time Nik see... sort of... >> >> I've found ICUs "New Anatomy" in mail-order catalogue and I wonder if >> it's worth getting. >> The only ICU songs I ever have heard are "Raj Neesh" (sp?), which I like >> quite a lot, and "Space Invaders", which I didn't like at all... > >If it is cheap, then it might be worth picking up, otherwise, probably >not. _New Anatomy_ is probably the least liked of all the ICU releases in >my experience. I have a copy, but rarely listen to it. There are some >nice tracks on it, but, overall, it is not a memorable album by any >stretch of the imagination. (Okay, save for having a Sinclair Spectrum >program tacked onto the end of it!) > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >obSickOfHearingAboutIt: Cults in the news > >e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. > > From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Apr 2 12:39:30 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:39:30 PST Subject: HW: P.X.R.5 and 25 Years On In-Reply-To: ; from "Paul Mather" at Apr 2, 97 11:19 am Message-ID: > > On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, John Majka wrote: > > > Is that right? I have the virgin copies, and I was wondering just the other > > day whether Griffin had reissued them with cool extra pictures etc. as is > > their wont. I guess not, huh? I should point out also that the CD and > > vinyl versions of P.X.R. 5 do not contain the same music. There are > > completely different vocal tracks on "High Rise" and both "High Rise" and > > "P.X.R.5" are edited and mixed differently, so to be complete, you'll > > actually need the vinyl AND the CD versions. Oh the difficult life of a > > hawkfan.... > > Actually, I was listening to the _Tales from the Atomhenge_ compilation > the other day and remembered thinking that the version of "High Rise" on > there sounded the same as I remembered the version to be on my vinyl copy > of _PXR 5_. So, perhaps you *can* get all the various versions on CD? > (Cue: codex, someone...) > Well, that same version lives on the SPIRIT OF THE AGE compilation CD, too. At least, it sounds like that to these old ears... But having the vinyl is fun, 'cuz of the fact that there are, what, three different covers? (One without the warning sticker covering the fubar'd wiring, one with and one that has a small picture of the plug sorta off in the distance. Or is it four, with a plain back cover?) > Cheers, > > Paul. > > obCD: Smashing Pumpkins, _gish_ > > e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. > obCDPlayer: Mark Shreeve / Redshift (holy cow! It's 1975 again! Modular synths and Mellotron'ed strings, not much of a melody, it's TD's Phaedra and Rubycon all in one! Yow!) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 2 14:22:44 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:22:44 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: HTML Version of the FAQ Message-ID: As previously mentioned, someone has been doing a very cool HTML version of the BOC FAQ, with some nice layout,using "Red and Black - it's their color scheme", and providing lots of HTML cross-referencing, and links that will work (i.e, all of the web pages listed in the FAQ can accessed directly as links from the FAQ). Fellow BOC fan Alexis Gavras has put this together for me and hosted it at her web site - the URL is as follows: http://www.asan.com/users/alexg/boc_faq-2_2.html Check it out! John From torgo at NORWICH.NET Wed Apr 2 16:04:28 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:04:28 -0500 Subject: tBS: Auburn gig Message-ID: Greetings: Anyone else on the list going to Saturday's Surgeons gig in Auburn NY? I plan on being there unless the world comes to a screeching halt that afternoon. Dunno how I can describe myself, but if anyone wants to just shout my name over and over I'm sure I'll spot you. I'll probably be wearing my fave old RUSH jersey if that helps. Maybe we need an international BOC-L hi-sign or something? :^D Looking forward to the show!!! Be Seeing You. Torgo has left the Building........... torgo at norwich.net ******************************************************************* "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!! Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as fear, surpirse, ruthless efficiency, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms." ******************************************************************* From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 2 15:19:06 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:19:06 EDT Subject: tBS: Auburn gig Message-ID: > From: Torgo > Greetings: > > Anyone else on the list going to Saturday's Surgeons gig in Auburn NY? I > plan on being there unless the world comes to a screeching halt that > afternoon. > > Dunno how I can describe myself, but if anyone wants to just shout my name > over and over I'm sure I'll spot you. I'll probably be wearing my fave old > RUSH jersey if that helps. Maybe we need an international BOC-L hi-sign or > something? :^D > > Looking forward to the show!!! > > Be Seeing You. > > Torgo, Is the Auburn gig for sure? I haven't seen one word in print around here acknowledging the show. And just today did any word of the Sunday gig appear--a tiny ad for Styleens, which is usually pretty good about such stuff. The PR boys definitely blew it on the 2 upstate gigs... theo From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Apr 2 16:30:59 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:30:59 -0600 Subject: HW: Webring home page proposal Message-ID: I have a hacked-together Hawkwind webring home page accessible from my www site. The images are courtesy of Ron Jennings. I modified the color map on his original (the top image) to produce the other two. Let me know how the page can be improved, which image you like best, and if there are any other images that we should consider for the logo. The page is at http://www.enteract.com/~weil/ring/hwr.html There is no link from my home page or the Golden Void page, so go there directly. This page is just a draft to get things moving. You won't hurt my fragile male ego by suggesting radical improvements. :-) I don't have the tools to make really spiffy graphic pages, but I am generally opposed to them anyway since they take too damn long to load. Eagerly looking forward to some feedback. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 If you define cowardice as running away at the first sign of danger, screaming and tripping and begging for mercy, then yes, Mister Brave Man, I guess I am a coward. -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey [SNL] From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Apr 2 16:38:44 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:38:44 -0600 Subject: HW: ISOS with Hawkwind Log for trade or sale Message-ID: I just got back from a trip to Phoenix, where I managed to get the time to scour the used record and CD stores. I picked up Brock's "Strange Trips & Pipe Dreams" CD, and the Hawkwind, Friends & Relations "The Rarities" CD from Anagram. I also found a couple of copies of In Search of Space on vinyl, both of which have the Hawkwind Log included. I want to trade (or sell) one of them, so let me know if anyone is interested. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 It's not that simple, no matter how you wish it so. You made public statements from a position of false authority; now you're having them shoved down your throat. Welcome to netnews. -- Thomas Maddox From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 2 22:52:39 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:52:39 BST Subject: HW: Spice is deep In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:38:09 GMT+0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > Well, frankly, working from the knowledge that Samantha Fox was a > Hawkfan (gods help us) I was more than capable of believing the Spice > Girls! :) I thought it was a brilliant idea. Hawkwind playing on stage while the Spice Girls do their dance routine. Wow! Spice Is Their Palestine - I can just see it now *-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stayer at PI.NET Thu Apr 3 02:57:54 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:57:54 -0800 Subject: BOC: Bootleg EP 1972 Message-ID: Thought this might interest some of us... Please e-mail this guy privately, and do not use my address. Have fun, Jerry MHowe18828 at aol.com wrote: > Hi. I have 5 copies of the 1972 BOC Bootleg EP for sale. Do you know anyone > who would be interested in them? They were previously owned by Murray > Kruegman who > sold them to a used record dealer who sold them to me. E-mail me if you can > help me out. Thanks! From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed Apr 2 17:08:28 1997 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:08:28 EST Subject: tBS: Auburn gig Message-ID: Hey Torgo, >Greetings: > >Anyone else on the list going to Saturday's Surgeons gig in Auburn NY? I >plan on being there unless the world comes to a screeching halt that >afternoon. I'll definately be there. Of course I still have to call and get directions... I'll be the short, Irish-looking guy with redish hair, blue eyes, moushtache and gotee. I think I'll wear my Trepanation T-shirt. Oh yeah, I'm 22, so don't be looking for someone who saw BOC on the Tyranny & Mutation tour! Those lucky bastards... no offense to my elders, mind you ;) >Dunno how I can describe myself, but if anyone wants to just shout my name >over and over I'm sure I'll spot you. I'll probably be wearing my fave old >RUSH jersey if that helps. Maybe we need an international BOC-L hi-sign or >something? :^D Damn! If I could only make the Chronos symbol with my hands... >Looking forward to the show!!! You bet! Brian P.S. Does anyone know an easier method of taping a show besides shoving a tape recorder down your pants as you saunter through the door? I'd like to make this show available to those BOC-Lers who have been deprived up to this point. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 2 17:21:42 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:21:42 EDT Subject: tBS: Auburn gig Message-ID: > From: BRIAN HALLIGAN > > > >Anyone else on the list going to Saturday's Surgeons gig in Auburn NY? I > >plan on being there unless the world comes to a screeching halt that > >afternoon. > > I'll definately be there. Of course I still have to call and get directions... > I'll be the short, Irish-looking guy with redish hair, blue eyes, moushtache > and gotee. I think I'll wear my Trepanation T-shirt. Oh yeah, I'm 22, so > don't be looking for someone who saw BOC on the Tyranny & Mutation tour! > Those lucky bastards... no offense to my elders, mind you ;) > > >Dunno how I can describe myself, but if anyone wants to just shout my name > >over and over I'm sure I'll spot you. I'll probably be wearing my fave old > >RUSH jersey if that helps. Maybe we need an international BOC-L hi-sign or > >something? :^D > > Damn! If I could only make the Chronos symbol with my hands... > > >Looking forward to the show!!! > > You bet! > Brian Brian, You aren't going to Styleen's either? Bummer! I was looking forward to meeting up with you all... theo From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed Apr 2 18:47:14 1997 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:47:14 EST Subject: tBS: Auburn gig Message-ID: >Brian, >You aren't going to Styleen's either? Bummer! I was looking forward >to meeting up with you all... >theo Sorry. I was planning on seeing both shows, but I have to play in a baseball game in Buffalo Sunday. You all can come see my band play open mic night in Alfred on the 19th... We'll be playing some stiring covers- Fight For Your Right, Cannon in D, maybe Hotel California. I couldn't persuade anybody to do Red & the Black or Master of the Universe unfortunately. I'm going to pitch them (666) Devil Got Your Mother tonight... (damn grungers). Brian From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Apr 2 21:16:49 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:16:49 -0600 Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream News Message-ID: For those of you who care just a bit about TaDream's recent releases (eeewww...), the following news update is rilly nice, for a change: ---------- "+++ 01/Apr/97 +++ NEW LINE-UP: Another big surprise for all who will attend the European shows - you will see and hear the new incarnation of TD. Edgar & Jerome decided long before their Shepherd's Bush gig in London Nov. 96 that the last chapter of a long decade using sax and various "normal" instruments will be over. Shepherd's Bush was the last gig of the old line-up [Edgar, Jerome, and Linda Spa]. Just before the tour begins there has been another change in the line up: Zlatko is back! Jerome Froese Keyboards & Programming Edgar Froese Keyboars & Programming / Guitar Zlatko Perica Guitar & Guitar FX Emil Hachfeld Electronic Percussion and Codotronic" ---------- OK. Now, my question is, what's a codotronic? Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Thu Apr 3 02:12:28 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 02:12:28 -0500 Subject: tBS: Auburn gig Message-ID: Brian H. wrote: > Oh yeah, I'm 22, so > don't be looking for someone who saw BOC on the Tyranny & Mutation tour! > Those lucky bastards... no offense to my elders, mind you ;) Hell, I saw them on the Tyranny & Mutation tour and I don't look a day older today. Unfortunately I looked 39 then :-) From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Thu Apr 3 03:19:50 1997 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 00:19:50 -0800 Subject: OFF: F/i web page Message-ID: http://www.execpc.com/~bwnsng/fi.html spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 3 08:37:11 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:37:11 -0500 Subject: tBS: Auburn gig Message-ID: Well, we all will expect a full report of the show here - first thing Monday morning! ;-) To anyone who might be taping the show - I'd love to get a copy of it (is this the 3-set gig they are doing?), and have a few items I could offer in trade. BOC symbol with my hands? Hmm...actually a crude Chronos symbol can readily be made - make like you're trying to ward off a vampire (making a cross with your 2 index fingers) and extend the thumb of the appropriate hand and voila... Then again, BOC-L t-shirts (to those who have them) is always a good way to attract attention... John From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Apr 3 09:31:54 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:31:54 +0200 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy Message-ID: OK, thanx Mike & Paul... It doesn't seems like a good idea to buy it (now), maybe in the future but certainly not unheard... mvh -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpower at FCMC.COM Thu Apr 3 13:52:23 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:52:23 -0500 Subject: Free SpaceRock! Message-ID: Greetings technicians of Spaceship Earth, I play in a NY/NJ/PA area SpaceRock band called Born to Go and in the interests of pan-planetary aesthetic dissemination we would like to offer exclusive to the highly educated ears of the ERPnotes and BOC-L membership, a FREE sampler tape of our music, entitled 'This is SpaceRock'. Featuring exotic off-planet artwork by ERP/BOC's own spacy inhabitant, Baron Bloom and the highly cosmic sounds of 'Born to Go'. Mail me with your snail-mail address at mpower at fcmc.com if you would like to receive this nifty little item, or if you want to know more about 'Born to Go'. Overseas applicants welcome. Yours in the power Cosmic, Marc Power From torgo at NORWICH.NET Thu Apr 3 15:30:54 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:30:54 -0500 Subject: tBS: Auburn gig fer sure Message-ID: Theo said: >Is the Auburn gig for sure? I haven't seen one word in print around >here acknowledging the show. And just today did any word of the >Sunday gig appear--a tiny ad for Styleens, which is usually pretty >good about such stuff. The PR boys definitely blew it on the 2 >upstate gigs... I called Spirits Taven (corner of State Street and Genessee, tele:(315) 252-9702) and they said the doors will open at 8 with tBS hitting the stage about 9:30. Cost would be a small door fee, *probably* under 5 bucks. I probably won't be at the Syracuse show Theo, although you never can tell. Also, did anyone do the chat last night on Artistshop with Buck? I was there and did an IRC log, so if anyone wants it just say so. I might just post it to the whole list if I get requests. I'm outta here, see ya'll at the show (BTW, I'm 33 years old, dark very cool hair, Rush Jersey, next to me is a scruffy lookin dude with long blonde hair, bald on top). Torgo has left the Building........... torgo at norwich.net ******************************************************************* "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!! Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as fear, surpirse, ruthless efficiency, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms." ******************************************************************* From torgo at NORWICH.NET Thu Apr 3 16:46:58 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:46:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck chat log Message-ID: Well, an hour after I sent the message about the Buck chat I had numerous requests for it, so here it is. I was gonna edit out the people exiting and entering the room so it reads easier, but I said the heck with it. :^D I asked numerous intelligent questions (I thought so) and the moderator only posted one of mine (and the stoopidest one at that). DOH!!! Here it is kids........ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Session Start: Wed Apr 02 21:03:32 1997 * Logging #ArtistShop to: [#ArtistShop.log] If you want to ask a question of Buck, just shoot it to Agent in a private message. *** luvk has quit IRC (Remote Kill by NickServ (Ghost kill request by luvk-) ) If this is your first time on IRC, just double click on Agent to send him a private message. *** ^hdboc^ (~hdboc at bigtca114.3-cities.com) has joined #ArtistShop You are in an Artist Shop IRC Chat. Tonight our guest is Buck Dharma of Blue Oyster Cult. *** GrafAway (~mburgess at lsbfl1-27.gate.net) has joined #artistshop *** ^hdboc^ has quit IRC (Read error to ^hdboc^[bigtca114.3-citie s.com]: Connection reset by peer ) *** GrafAway is now known as GraffiX *** ^hdboc^ (~hdboc at bigtca114.3-cities.com) has joined #ArtistShop *** NukeStar is now known as MikeCairns Unfortunately Buck is IRC Challenged being on AOHell, but, the good news is that I am both in this chat room and on AOL simultaneously communicating with Buck. *** Shawn (squinn at an158.palmnet.net) has joined #Artistshop So, I will furiously be pasting your questions to him and his answers back to the room. Gary, are we ready to get questions? *** DarkHeart (ident at 153.34.217.241) has joined #Artistshop First, we'll start with a general greeting from Buck. Buck Dharma: Hi everybody, I'm Buck Dharma. I've been the lead guitar player for the Blue Oyster Cult since its formation, and I play much better than I type.. : ) OK, Agent, ready for the questions. *** jamie (Katz at frakyts218.mis.NET) has left #ArtistShop Shoot questions to me, folks! FROM T0RG0: Buck, I missed your last trip through Upstate NY, when are you coming back up? *** vpi (~paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu) has joined #ArtistShop *** Diz-Buster (netcom.int at nwk-nj16-19.ix.netcom.com) has joined #ArtistShop While Buck is formulating his answer, I should mention that BOC is touring right now. Buck is responding to us from Alaska where BOC is performing tonight. FROM Simorgh: Buck, do you use a capo on Reaper on Some Enchant eve....? Buck Dharma: TORGO, We are scheduled to make at least a stop at Darien Lake east of Buffalo in June. Stay tuned for updates.. *** Alice has quit IRC (Leaving ) *** SuperDan (ghaw at idialup101.asyst.net) has joined #ArtistShop *** Card (cardiac at demoscene.interstat.net) has left #artistshop FROM RichZoll: whats the biggest crowd you ever headlined for? *** MikeCairns is now known as Desdenova *** Shawn is now known as ShawnQuinn Buck Dharma: >Capo on Reaper-- no, I used a custom made SG style guitar that is tuned up a whole step to F# instead of E. I use a capo now so I can use the trem bar as a tremolo instead of a transposing device. *** Steeter (Skeeter at user-37kb80k.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #ArtistShop *** jamie (Katz at frakyts218.mis.NET) has joined #ArtistShop Buck Dharma: I'm currently playing a Steinberger GM7 *** jamie (Katz at frakyts218.mis.NET) has left #ArtistShop *** SuperDan (ghaw at idialup101.asyst.net) has left #ArtistShop Buck Dharma: >Biggest Crowd-- in early '80's headlineing the ballpark in San Diego, w/ZZ and Cheap Trick ROM GraffiX: Buck, I am a hobbyist musician and would like to better my guitar skills .. what type of learning method do you suggest.. I have tried chord books and suck, but I want to start working on a solo technique.. Buck Dharma: >skills- just start picking out melodies on the guitar and play. Chord books come in handy when you want to play a specific song and need the chord. FROM DarkHeart: Buck Dharma: I'm a HUGE BOC fan, are you guys coming to San Diego this stop? And for question B, are you ever planning on doing anymore black and blue shows? Buck Dharma: you should be able to communicate feeling and get enjoyment at any level of skill Buck Dharma: >B+B- I'd doubt we will tour with Sabbs as a package, that was definately a one time event. I'm sure we'll get to San Diego again this year.. FROM RichZoll: everytime i meet you at a show you seem to remember me and others. is this possible , and when do all fans look the same.? *** ^pele (Pele at jacobs78.NMSU.Edu) has joined #artistshop Buck Dharma: BTW, I'm in Anchorage Alaska right now. *** baddoggie (~NUNYABIZ at Cust46.Max27.Seattle.WA.MS.UU.NET) has joined #ArtistShop *** Steeter (Skeeter at user-37kb80k.dialup.mindspring.com) has left #ArtistShop Buck Dharma: There's a record holder stuffed moose in the lobby. I just want to comment for those people just now joining us that this is a moderated session. If you want to ask Buck a question, just shoot it to Agent in a private message. Simorgh, Samedi and Petre, In Alchemy Buck Dharma: It's not so hard to remember faces, Rich, but I can't put an image to your name now.. teleconferencing's around the corner.. FROM ^hdboc^: Does Buck have St. Cecilia ready for Hotlanta? :-) Buck Dharma: I'm playing a lot of acoustic guitar these days and really enjoying it. Besides, it's a big help with my electric playing. For those of you that don't know, Buck is doing a benefit concert for a child with a Brain Tumor in Atlanta, April 11 *** wookie (wookee at ppp-207-193-3-216.kscymo.swbell.net) has joined #ArtistShop Buck Dharma: Jack, a few suprises, you just gave me an idea! FROM ShawnQuinn: Buck - how are the preps going for the Atlanta Benefit show ? *** ^friend^ (everyt at van-as013.cycor.ca) has joined #ArtistShop Buck Dharma: hdboc just mentioned a show I'm doing in Altanta on April 11, a benefit for the 'Zilla Fund for Ricky Browning, a 10 year old fighting a brain tumor. FROM ^pele: I am really curious about the new album, not to much info comes out here to NM, could you give me the run down on it? *** DarkHeart has quit IRC (Read error to DarkHeart[153.34.217.24 1]: EOF from client ) Buck Dharma: Chuck, maybe you can tell the folks the venue, etc. The venue is the Gwinnett Performing Arts Center, in Duluth, GA, a $30 Million dollar complex, state of the art Buck Dharma: Shawn, working on trio arraigments of some old faves and never heard stuff. After alaska some intense rehearsal. The show will be recorded and Video'ed for future listening and visual pleasure Buck Dharma: Pele- We've recorded about 3/4 of a new record, and will finish it in mid summer. We intended to have it out already, but plans change.. FROM DannyEyes: Hi, I'd be interested if we can contact the benefit's people/// and also related as I'm a writer to me comes music first the words, does Buck write sometimes lyrics? Buck Dharma: We're committed to touring the month of June with Steppenwolf and Foghat and Pat Travers doing big venues I'll answer the benefit people question, Gary *** punk1 (insane at ts4l1.pathcom.com) has joined #ArtistShop *** wookie (wookee at ppp-207-193-3-216.kscymo.swbell.net) has left #ArtistShop Benefit can be contacted at Zilla Fund, P.O.Box 465081 Lawrenceville, GA 30246, 1-800-211-1720 *** punk1 (insane at ts4l1.pathcom.com) has left #ArtistShop *** KSPECIAL (megirard at ppp120.232.mmtl.videotron.net) has joined #ArtistShop Buck Dharma: I've written words and music (Reaper, Godzilla for instance) and music to other's lyric (Burnin' for you). Usually lyrics come first, but I wrote the Reaper around the guitar riff.. *** ^friend^ (everyt at van-as013.cycor.ca) has left #ArtistShop FROM ShawnQuinn: Buck - if its clear Alaska is a great place to check-out the Comet. BTW, Donation to the fund will get you an Honary ticket and Cocnert Program and it will go to a great cause Honorary, sorry! Buck Dharma: I have yet to see the comet. Thanks for the reminder. This is the first clear day here.. FROM RichZoll: how much has business and business men interfered with your music? Buck Dharma: Rich> Business people haven't interferred much with the content of BOC's music, but they do have a big effect on whether your stuff gets a proper chance in the marketplace. There's probably thousands of great songs and players no one gets to hear because the business ain't right. Question for Buck, Is the Atlanta Gig the first Concert you have played as "Buck Dharma?" Buck Dharma: Yes it is, at least on this scale. I'm nervous! FROM ^pele: B..C. will be playing in Albuquerque on the 15th, I was wondering if the band will be around to sign autographs and meet the fans? *** KenV (~none at 199.103.186.146) has joined #artistshop *** Simorgh has quit IRC (Leaving ) Buck Dharma: We usually do that if it's not a hassle. Depends on the venue, setup, hour *** baddoggie (~NUNYABIZ at Cust46.Max27.Seattle.WA.MS.UU.NET) has left #ArtistShop FROM Simorgh: On the buisness note...Do you ever communicate with Sandy Pearlman? Buck Dharma: BTW, who decided how to spell 'Albuquerque'? Who invented that word? *** Simorgh (tslaton at as-118-52.ashton.indiana.edu) has joined #ArtistShop Shawn asks if you ever considered doing an instumental solo CD? *** KSPECIAL (megirard at ppp120.232.mmtl.videotron.net) has left #ArtistShop Buck Dharma: Since Sandy departed as the band's manager, we don't speak much. He's on the west coast and only if there's a common business matter or something.. *** KenV has quit IRC (Ping timeout for KenV[199.103.186.146] ) Buck Dharma: I want to spend more time recording and less time touring next year. I'm having a great time singing these days, but an instrumental CD would be fun. Might we hear Gamera's Missing? in Atlanta? *** IceBear (~root at 204.225.232.41) has joined #artistshop Buck Dharma: anybody play or own some great new gear? *** FA1 (~geosmith at 159.218.20.31) has joined #ArtistShop *** FA1 (~geosmith at 159.218.20.31) has left #ArtistShop FROM Simorgh: Just my trusty Les Paul 1992 Standard Buck Dharma: Gamera is a strong contender.. *** KenV (~none at 199.103.186.146) has joined #artistshop FROM Simorgh: Buck, when did you start to think about UFO's? Buck Dharma: Also, Deadline from Cultasaurus Yes! Buck Dharma: I hear Les Paul's TV ad is great. Haven't seen it yet. *** BluEyes (keltoi77 at dialup38.qnis.net) has joined #ArtistShop Buck, Jackson of the Screen door, and his front row seat says thank you for Deadline:-) Buck Dharma: UFO's since the '50's. I figured with all the stars and planets in the universe, somebody ought to have solved problems of time/space travel.. FROM vpi: Which person do you most admire? Buck Dharma: Besides I think Roswell HAPPENED *** BluEyes (keltoi77 at dialup38.qnis.net) has left #ArtistShop *** GraffiX has quit IRC (Excess Flood ) Buck Dharma: We're gonna have some fun in Atlanta. FROM RichZoll: who is your favorite guitar player? and do you like the blues? Buck Dharma: My fave all around lead player is Jeff Beck. He's the taste king, and always plays interesting, unexpected stuff. Buck Dharma: I love the Blues, like to play it, even thou I don't really know the catechism of classic blues licks FROM RichZoll: anyplace you havent been that you might wish to see? Buck Dharma: I just do my version of the blues. Buck Dharma: Even Ritchy Blackmore loves the blues Buck Dharma: I'd like to do Australia and New Zealand. Buck Dharma: I'm a big Crowded House fan Tell Buck someone posted in Jack's BB that he was from Australia and seeing BOC is his Number one quest *** Desdenova is now known as NukeStar FROM RichZoll: do you like the brain surgeons? Buck Dharma: Maybe we could hook something up... Buck Dharma: My earliest influences were Chuck Berry, Scotty Moore and other players on early Rock recordings, when I started playing the style was Surf instrumentals and Chuck Berry again, via Carl Wilson (or whoever ghosted those parts on record). *** Brit (gturner at 204.91.156.109) has joined #artistshop *** IceBear (~root at 204.225.232.41) has left #artistshop *** Nebosuke (~www at Cust70.Max31.San-Francisco2.CA.MS.UU.NET) has joined #ArtistShop FROM Simorgh: Do you ever wear a suit and tie? Buck Dharma: I like some of the Brain Surgeons stuff. It's clever in the way Albert brought his point of view to BOC. Of the three records, I like Eponymous the best, but I haven't heard the new one enough.. Buck Dharma: Yep, but not often. *** RichZoll has quit IRC (Read error to RichZoll[sd4.dreamscape. com]: Connection reset by peer ) *** layedback (kayla at 3-2.ts.mag-net.com) has joined #ArtistShop Rich asks if Buck's been to AK before, Rich, I saw them in Anchorage 81, 3 times in two days *** SpaceApe (SpaceApe at d2-121.snider.net) has joined #ArtistShop FROM Simorgh: Buck, if you weren't a "rocker", what might you have done with your life? *** SirPurr (gdunn at pa4dsp20-hp.nr.infi.net) has joined #ArtistShop Buck Dharma: some background--I started playing just as string gauges were becoming lighter and string bending was just coming in as a common technique. I think James Burton, with Ricky Nelson was one of early rock string benders. *** SirPurr (gdunn at pa4dsp20-hp.nr.infi.net) has left #ArtistShop I think after this we'll take just one more question as Buck needs to be heading to the soundcheck. Buck Dharma: I always wanted to be a 'Foley' artist, a guy who overdubs sound effects in movies. *** layedback (kayla at 3-2.ts.mag-net.com) has left #ArtistShop Buck Dharma: I think I'd make a great recording engineer/producer, too. *** DannyEyes (~damson at 195.89.2.38) has left #ArtistShop Buck, any chance of seeing Godzilla in the American version in 1998? (Columbia Tri Star is doing a American Godzilla movie in 1998) : I've been in touch with Sony pictures on Godzilla's behalf, they'd be fools not to at least give a nod to BOC's Zilla. Buck Dharma: They say the picture is still a long way off. FROM Simorgh: Produce my stuff, buck, please!!! Sorry Simorgh, you've passed our deadline :-) Buck has to be heading off to soundcheck! Buck, on behalf of Rickt Browning's family and all of your fans, we'd like to say Tank You for helping in the fund raising efforts Thanks, Gary! Buck Dharma: Nice talking with you folks, it's funny to be in another room than the rest of you, the chat moves a little slower, but I'm hooking up with IRC soon. I'll be looking for you all out on the road. Farewell Bye:-) I sincerely want to thank Buck for sharing this time with us tonight. And certainly a big thank you to Agent for helping out. Take a bow Agent. Your Welcome, Gary:-) Buck Dharma: You're all welcome. Glad to be coming down to Atlanta and doing it. *** Topspin (Emerald at spg-as14s57.erols.com) has joined #ArtistShop *** shiznet (tiger at 208.203.45.203) has joined #ArtistShop If any of you want more information on the Atlanta event, I'm sure Agent would be glad to help you. Agent, why don't you give the folks your e-mail address for this event. *** Nebosuke (~www at Cust70.Max31.San-Francisco2.CA.MS.UU.NET) has left #ArtistShop My email address is AgentOF at aol.com *** KenV has quit IRC (Read error to KenV[199.103.186.146]: EOF from client ) I hope you folks have had fun. This has been another Artist Shop IRC Chat. I hope you'll stop by The Artist Shop for a visit. Sorry to all that asked to have a private chat and I didn't know what to do, I was a virgin until tonight:-) Our URL is http://www.artist-shop.com *** Topspin (Emerald at spg-as14s57.erols.com) has left #ArtistShop *** Brit (gturner at 204.91.156.109) has left #artistshop *** SpaceApe (SpaceApe at d2-121.snider.net) has left #ArtistShop For you BOC fans, Albert's Brain Surgeons is part of The Artist Shop with their own page including graphics and soundbites. *** shiznet (tiger at 208.203.45.203) has left #ArtistShop Also be sure to sign up for our mailing list so you'll get notices of Artist Shop goings on including chats like these. So, again, thank you all for coming. I think it's time to unmoderate the room for some general fun and music chat!!!! *** GaryD sets mode: -m Session Close: Wed Apr 02 22:08:50 1997 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Torgo has left the Building........... torgo at norwich.net ******************************************************************* "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!! Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as fear, surpirse, ruthless efficiency, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms." ******************************************************************* From OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Apr 3 17:07:06 1997 From: OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU (OzHawks) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:07:06 +1000 Subject: Free SpaceRock! In-Reply-To: <3343FC67.7606@fcmc.com> Message-ID: On 3 Apr 97 at 13:52, Marc Power wrote: > Greetings technicians of Spaceship Earth, Gidday Marc! Yeah - I'm interested. (I bet your mail box is full now with similar messages!). "OzHawks" is in the process of becoming a mail-order distribution company as well, so if/when you release a CD, please let me know! Yours in Space, Sonique -- OzHawks The Australian Hawkwind Appreciation Society PO Box 884 Mail us an SAE for our free newsletter Mt Waverley "The Flying Doctor" VIC, 3149 http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks Australia mailto:OzHawks at pcmicro.com.au From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Apr 3 17:10:37 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:10:37 +1000 Subject: (Fwd) Message-ID: Hi All, I just got this from Rob Godwin (Griffin) Sonique ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:59:33 -0500 To: sonique at maxwell.PCMICRO.COM.AU From: cgp at icom.ca Subject: Hi Paul, Just a quick note. I haven't had much time to get into the Hawkwind archives lately. I noticed that people have been wondering about Griffin's status. Unfortunately it is true we filed for protection. The one post about the Bowie album is partly true, we did pay a lot of money for it, only to find that it already had been sold to someone else. WE are suing them (not the other way round) and it doesn't involve Bowie himself at all. yeah Feedback did go bump owing Griffin a pile of cash. (two major blows at once) consequently we're now on our knees. Restructuring is unlikely, at this moment. Please give my best regards to the Hawkwind list and thank everyone for their support over the last five years. Neale and I really appreciated all the positive vibes coming in from the Hawkclan, and hopefully we did help the fans and the band in some small way. Robert Godwin (A victim of chronic (financial) attack!) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Apr 3 17:28:53 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:28:53 -0500 Subject: Free SpaceRock! Message-ID: > "OzHawks" is in the process of becoming a mail-order distribution company as > well, so if/when you release a CD, please let me know! i know a retailer who might be willing to do this as well. no promises, but we could look into it.... rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Apr 3 17:38:24 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:38:24 -0500 Subject: HW:Love in space pre-view. Message-ID: i don't know if this is already common knowledge or not, but i just noticed the "welcome to the future" site has an .au format sample of the LIS ep version of love in space. its pretty interesting, much different from the live version. http://www.hawkwind.com/ rj From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 4 00:08:17 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:08:17 GMT+0100 Subject: HW:Love in space pre-view. Message-ID: On tor 3 apr 1997 17.38 "Ron Jennings" wrote: > i don't know if this is already common knowledge or not, but i just > noticed the "welcome to the future" site has > an .au format sample of the LIS ep version of love in space. > its pretty interesting, much different from the live version. I didn't know, but I do now. It does sound quite interesting, though the preview sample is pretty ghastly quality. It's difficult to imagine anyone who wasn't planning to get it anyway to be swayed by hearing it! I wonder if this will actually contain the fabled "Lord of Light" live cut that was axed from the _LiS_ album? No mention of what formats it will be released in ... Cheers, Carl ObCD: Spiritual Beggars, _Another Way to Shine_ ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of Anglo-Saxon Norse & Celtic, Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Apr 3 18:16:48 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:16:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: Godzilla creator dies Message-ID: Since nobody has mentioned this, I thought I'd let folks know that in today's local newspaper was a story reporting that the guy responsible for the Godzilla films has died. He was 86, if memory serves. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Apr 3 22:59:29 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:59:29 EST Subject: Free SpaceRock! Message-ID: Hello Marc... I'm very interested in your sampler...your band should definately think of taking a trip to the midwest, especially Detroit. Detroit happens to be Space Rock City lately. Ian Fines 51 Putnam Place Grosse Pointe Shores, MI 48236 From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Fri Apr 4 06:34:27 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 21:34:27 +1000 Subject: BOC: Buck chat log Message-ID: At 04:46 PM 3/04/97 -0500, Torgo wrote: > Buck Dharma: Pele- We've recorded about 3/4 of a new > record, and will finish it in mid summer. We intended to have > it out already, but plans change.. Was it just me who thought that EW was finished, and that the holdup was with the distribution? > Buck Dharma: I'd like to do Australia and New Zealand. > Buck Dharma: I'm a big Crowded House fan > Tell Buck someone posted in Jack's BB that he was from > Australia and seeing BOC is his Number one quest If only I had power and influence... It'll be years before I get to the States to see them, that is if I get there in time :( It surprised me when I first read that Buck's a fan of CH, but then on reflection, it's not such a strange thing I suppose. I forget sometimes how popular they were outside of Oz, not to mention how good they were. Pete. ObCD: Splendor Solis - The Tea Party ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Here's my time sheet, filled out in increments of fifteen minutes. As usual, I coded the useless hours spent in meetings as 'work', whereas the time I spent in the shower designing circuits in my mind is 'non-work'. Interestingly, even the time I spend complaining about my lack of productivity is considered 'work'." - Dilbert From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Apr 4 06:54:03 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:54:03 +0200 Subject: BOC: Buck chat log Message-ID: Peter; > >Was it just me who thought that EW was finished, and that the holdup was >with the distribution? No, so did I too. Maybe the "Godot" wasn't such a bad idea after all... :( >If only I had power and influence... It'll be years before I get to the >States to see them, that is if I get there in time :( I have never seen them either. But don't worry to much -dinosaur bands never die... -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 4 07:55:21 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:55:21 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck chat log Message-ID: > Buck Dharma: Pele- We've recorded about 3/4 of a new > record, and will finish it in mid summer. We intended to have > it out already, but plans change.. Was it just me who thought that EW was finished, and that the holdup was with the distribution? The band has been saying that the *recording* of the tracks was essentially complete, but that they still need to be mixed. My suspicion is that there are probably at least some vocal overdubs to be done (Eric probably wants another shot at re-doing some of them, given his recent vocal troubles). John From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Apr 4 07:46:47 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:46:47 UT Subject: HW: Love in Space clip Message-ID: Well, I downloaded this from hawkwind.com, and I have to say it sounds like the record's warped and there's fluff on the needle. Hope the actual disc sounds better! - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Apr 4 08:46:21 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:46:21 -0600 Subject: (Fwd) Message-ID: >Hi All, > >I just got this from Rob Godwin (Griffin) > >Sonique > > yeah Feedback did go bump >owing Griffin a pile of cash. (two major blows at once) consequently we're now >on our knees. Restructuring is unlikely, at this moment. > Interesting, considering the fact that Feedback and Griffin were one and the same. Feedback ended up screwing a few store owners I know out of cash owed for returns. Nothing like doing business in the '90s... :( Wylie From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Apr 4 09:06:53 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 22:06:53 +0800 Subject: HW: P.X.R.5 and 25 Years On Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, John Majka wrote: > > > Is that right? I have the virgin copies, and I was wondering just the other > > day whether Griffin had reissued them with cool extra pictures etc. as is > > their wont. I guess not, huh? I should point out also that the CD and > > vinyl versions of P.X.R. 5 do not contain the same music. There are > > completely different vocal tracks on "High Rise" and both "High Rise" and > > "P.X.R.5" are edited and mixed differently, so to be complete, you'll > > actually need the vinyl AND the CD versions. Oh the difficult life of a > > hawkfan.... > > Actually, I was listening to the _Tales from the Atomhenge_ compilation > the other day and remembered thinking that the version of "High Rise" on > there sounded the same as I remembered the version to be on my vinyl copy > of _PXR 5_. So, perhaps you *can* get all the various versions on CD? > (Cue: codex, someone...) > The version of "High Rise" on Atomhenge and the 25 Years box set is the original LP version (a completely different version to the CD track). I believe the CD version of "PXR5" is longer than the original?!?! William From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 4 09:24:45 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:24:45 +0100 Subject: HW: P.X.R.5 and 25 Years On In-Reply-To: <33450AFD.4FDC@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: >Paul Mather wrote: >> >> Actually, I was listening to the _Tales from the Atomhenge_ compilation >> the other day and remembered thinking that the version of "High Rise" on >> there sounded the same as I remembered the version to be on my vinyl copy >> of _PXR 5_. So, perhaps you *can* get all the various versions on CD? >> (Cue: codex, someone...) >> Also, way back when Virgin first started releasing CDs, the first Hawkwind CD they released was a compilation called (I think) "Spirit of the Age" and it contained the original version of High Rise. Actually it is quite a good compilation and I still listen to it despite having all the relevant albums. Can someone fill me in on the history to that different version on the PXR5 CD? Mark Edmonds From travsboc at CRL.COM Fri Apr 4 10:54:10 1997 From: travsboc at CRL.COM (S. F. Yee) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:54:10 -0800 Subject: BOC: Ezekiel's (for) Real? Message-ID: Why does this not really surprise me? This just in from Melne of BOCFanclub... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Here's the bad news on the album: >From eric <> The good news: Apr 1 Juneau, AK 2 Anchorage AK 3 Fairbanks AK 4 Ketchikan, AK 14 Tucson, AZ 15 Albuquerque, NM 16 off 17 Grand Junction, CO 18 Golden, CO 19 CO Springs, CO 22? Lexington, KY 23? Dayton, OH 24 Youngstown, OH 25 Akron, OH May 7? Jacksonville, FL 8 St. Petersberg, FL 9? Sanford, FL 10 San Antonio, TX 16 Allentown, PA 17 Wheeling, WV July 5 Akron, OH 22 Hollespop, PA (spelling sure isn't correct) 23 Richmond, VA 24? Ocean City, MD 27 York, PA EUROPEANS!!! Somewhere around Aug 10, there will be a European Tour! SUMMER DAZE TOUR DATES Look for the Summer Daze Tour Coming this summer (duh!) featuring Pat Travers, Foghat, Steppenwolf and Blue Oyster Cult. The first set of cities slated for this tour are: May 28 Los Angeles, CA Greek Theatre May 30 Concord, CA Concord Pavilion May 31 Reno, NV TBA June 1 Las Vegas, NV Hard Rock Hotel June 4 Moline, IL Mark of the Quad Cities June 5 Chicago, IL TBA June 6 Omaha Riverfront Amphitheatre June 7 KauKauna, WI Fair June 8 Detroit, MI Pineknob Amphitheatre June 11 Pittsburg/Buffalo TBA June 12 Westbury, NY Westbury Music Fair June 13 Columbia, MD Meriweather Post Pavilion June 14 Hartford, CT Meadows Music Theatre June 15 Holmdel, NJ PNC Bank Art Center June 18 Pittsburg, PA IC Light Amphitheatre June 19 Fishers, IN Deer Creek Music Center June 20 Memphis, TN Mud Island Amphitheatre June 21 Atlanta, GA Chastain Park June 22 Biloxi, MS TBA Cheers! melne You see, seasons don't fear the reaper, just small independent European record companies you never heard of.... S.F. From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri Apr 4 11:06:47 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:06:47 +0200 Subject: HW: P.X.R.5 and 25 Years On Message-ID: At 15:24 04.04.97 +0100, you wrote: >Can someone fill me in on the history to that different version on the >PXR5 CD? There exist only 2 different HIGH RISE versions The version on the PXR5 CD and the version on the PXR5 vinyl AFAIK the vinyl one is the studio version, the CD one is the live version Maybe Jill or Mike know more. I remember that we had this discussion about 1 year ago Bernhard From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Apr 4 10:59:15 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:59:15 -0600 Subject: Free Space Rock Message-ID: > >>Greetings technicians of Spaceship Earth, >>I play in a NY/NJ/PA area SpaceRock band called Born to Go and >>in the interests of pan-planetary aesthetic dissemination >>we would like to offer exclusive to the highly >>educated ears of the ERPnotes and BOC-L membership, >>a FREE sampler tape of our music, entitled >>'This is SpaceRock'. Sounds great Marc. I'm interested. Does BtG have any policy on traveling outside the NY/NJ/PA area? I know a few booking guys at some local venues in the B-more/Wash.DC/No. VA area. If you have promo material I can assist you in getting stuff in their hands. > >>Featuring exotic off-planet artwork by ERP/BOC's own >>spacy inhabitant, Baron Bloom and the highly cosmic sounds >>of 'Born to Go'. All original works? > >>Mail me with your snail-mail address at mpower at fcmc.com >>if you would like to receive this nifty little item, or >>if you want to know more about 'Born to Go'. > lil ab will send his privately. > >>Yours in the power Cosmic, >>Marc Power Sound a bit like a Silver Surfer fan. Great! lil ab obcd - Pink Floyd - Animals > > From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Apr 4 11:07:55 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:07:55 -0600 Subject: Free Space Rock - Follow Up Message-ID: Yo Theo: How come we're not getting offers from you with stuff like this? C'mon reduce us to fanboys. 8>). lil ab obcd - Pink Floyd - Animals From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Apr 4 07:11:04 1997 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:11:04 +0000 Subject: The Wheel Message-ID: Until this disc comes out (if that ever happens), I vote that we refer to it as "Cultosaurus Interruptus". --Nick From Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Apr 4 11:48:55 1997 From: Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Star Rats) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:48:55 -0600 Subject: HW: Love in Space clip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 12:46 04/04/97 UT, you wrote: >Well, I downloaded this from hawkwind.com, and I have to say it sounds like >the record's warped and there's fluff on the needle. > >Hope the actual disc sounds better! Well guys, I know about the sound quality but it's a toss up between providing 54 seconds of stereo CD quality which would take up about 10MB of memory and therefore several hours to download, against a mono clip that gives you the idea and a)only takes 2-3 mins to download and b)doesn't get us charged for outgoing traffic. Maybe I'll try and improve things a little, but I am going to keep the file size down to what I can get away with - for everyone's sake. Star Rats From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 4 13:40:44 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:40:44 -0500 Subject: BOC: Ezekiel's (for) Real? Message-ID: Note: The message from Eric regarding Ezekiel's Wheel was posted to AOL over 2 weeks ago - I thought someone had mentioned it here already, but I may be incorrect. This information is reflected in the current version of the BOC FAQ. John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 4 20:30:42 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:30:42 GMT+0100 Subject: BOC: Ezekiel's (for) Real? Message-ID: > >From eric > However, record deals don't happen overnight. Do tell .... ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 4 20:33:44 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:33:44 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Love in Space clip Message-ID: On fre 4 apr 1997 10.48 "Star Rats" wrote: > I know about the sound quality but it's a toss up between providing 54 > seconds of stereo CD quality which would take up about 10MB of memory > and therefore several hours to download, against a mono clip that gives > you the idea and a)only takes 2-3 mins to download and b)doesn't get us > charged for outgoing traffic. Fair enough--perhaps a variety of formats? My understanding is that the Real Audio stuff provides fair sound quality at low file sizes. Perhaps simply a higher quality .au file or something that was compressed and could be downloaded for decompression and play on client machines? Cheers, Carl From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Apr 4 15:14:17 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:14:17 -0500 Subject: HW: Love in Space clip Message-ID: as someone who tried to make a webpage of hawkwind samples, and decided to hang it up, i understand star_rats completely. a thirty second sound clip was 8Megs at 44 khz stereo 32 bits, and reducing it to 11 khz mono 8 bits only got it down to about 500k. it also resulted in a clip that sounded like it was playing inside an empty soupcan. (these were wavs) also, i don't think i have EVER d/l'ed an AU file that sounded , and i think a lot of the problem is due to bandwidth restrictions. thanks for the taste. rj > At 12:46 04/04/97 UT, you wrote: > >Well, I downloaded this from hawkwind.com, and I have to say it sounds like > >the record's warped and there's fluff on the needle. > > > >Hope the actual disc sounds better! > > Well guys, > I know about the sound quality but it's a toss up between providing 54 > seconds of stereo CD quality which would take up about 10MB of memory and > therefore several hours to download, against a mono clip that gives you the > idea and a)only takes 2-3 mins to download and b)doesn't get us charged for > outgoing traffic. > > Maybe I'll try and improve things a little, but I am going to keep the file > size down to what I can get away with - for everyone's sake. > > Star Rats From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Apr 4 16:28:33 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:28:33 -0500 Subject: HW: Love in Space clip In-Reply-To: <19970404201555724.AAA146@hawk2> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Ron Jennings wrote: > as someone who tried to make a webpage of hawkwind samples, and decided > to hang it up, i understand star_rats completely. a thirty second sound > clip was 8Megs at 44 khz stereo 32 bits, and reducing it to 11 khz mono > 8 bits only got it down to about 500k. it also resulted in a clip that > sounded like it was playing inside an empty soupcan. (these were wavs) Unless it's a typo, 32 bits is overkill for digitised audio, since samples on the CDs themselves are only 16-bit (sampled @ 44.1 KHz). My recommendation is to use MPEG Audio Level-3 compression (which was designed specifically to handle low bit rates). You get good (psychoacoustically-tuned) compression (e.g. 1:12 without loss of fidelity, much more if you want to go down in quality) and, better still, it is an international standard (not proprietary, like lots of the other audio formats). The Internet Underground Music Archive uses MPEG for its sound files; I believe they have several players there you can download for free. There are also various freely available MPEG encoders and decoders for a wide variety of platforms. Also, how well you digitise and clean up the resultant stream will have an effect on overall compression achieved. > also, i don't think i have EVER d/l'ed an AU file that sounded , and > i think a lot of the problem is due to bandwidth > restrictions. Yup. Let's all raise a glass in honour of Claude Shannon... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Free, _Fire and Water_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Apr 4 16:25:10 1997 From: Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Star Rats) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:25:10 -0600 Subject: HW: Love in Space clip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Fair enough--perhaps a variety of formats? My understanding is that >the Real Audio stuff provides fair sound quality at low file sizes. >Perhaps simply a higher quality .au file or something that was compressed >and could be downloaded for decompression and play on client machines? There is now a .wav file up there which is around 1.2MB and is better, although still mono. I looked into the RealAudio server provided by our ISP, but there's a cost for setting it up and a charge per MB. At one time you could download the RA encoder and simple convert files without needing an RA server, but I think they cottoned on to that pretty quickly and I don't think you can get it now. Star Rats From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Apr 4 17:17:17 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:17:17 -0500 Subject: HW: Love in Space clip Message-ID: > > as someone who tried to make a webpage of hawkwind samples, and decided > > to hang it up, i understand star_rats completely. a thirty second sound > > clip was 8Megs at 44 khz stereo 32 bits, and reducing it to 11 khz mono > > 8 bits only got it down to about 500k. it also resulted in a clip that > > sounded like it was playing inside an empty soupcan. (these were wavs) > > Unless it's a typo, 32 bits is overkill for digitised audio, since samples > on the CDs themselves are only 16-bit (sampled @ 44.1 KHz). of course you are right. i should have verified my info before posting. im new to this sound sample business, and was going from memory. but the basic point was that you have to warp the sound files so badly to make them any kind of friendly size, that they're almost not worth hearing. of course i'm saying this with absolutely no knowledge of this compression stuff. now im going to go look for some of these compressuion utilities you mention. maybe i can make that page fly yet. (i wanted to do a page for hawkwind, but didn't want to mimic other's pages, or waste it with the same old jazz in different order. so i noticed very few people offered sound files for HW, and got permission to do it. {of course they have to be short, never a complete tune...}) ANY SUGGESTIONS? > > Yup. Let's all raise a glass in honour of Claude Shannon... ;-) > pardon my ignorance, but who? rj From AgentOF at AOL.COM Fri Apr 4 17:38:40 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:38:40 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Concert Message-ID: Hello, all from Atlanta. This is my first post to BOC-L and I would like to thank all that sent donations to us for the Charity fund raising efforts anchored by the Buckmeister, himself. It should prove to be a very interesting show, as Buck has been interviewed by a slew of media sorces here in Atlanta and has said he would play some BOC, Flat Out and some Cover Tunes, a magical night, indeed. Buck has also donated a T-Shirt design to the cause, with all of the proceeds going to the Child being helped. This is a limited edition Buck Dharma shirt and there will nly be one printing of it. If you would like info on it, email me, or itf there is interest on this board, I will post info on getting it. We are still taking donations and we have some actual Concert Tickets and Programs in return for your donations. They can be sent to: Zilla Fund P.O.Box 465081 Lawrenceville, GA 30246 This entire concert and series of activities will be well documented and recorded for the purpose of helping the child down the road, stay tuned:-) chuck From squinn at PALMNET.NET Fri Apr 4 19:31:07 1997 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (squinn) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:31:07 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Concert Message-ID: Chuck - Count me in for the shirt... Let me know when and where to send the $. Shawn From corwin at ROPNET.RU Fri Apr 4 21:18:15 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 05:18:15 +0300 Subject: HW: Love in Space clip Message-ID: Hi! Why you didn't try to use RealAudio for sound clips? It's of better quality and easier to load. Corwin From AgentOF at AOL.COM Fri Apr 4 21:12:12 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 21:12:12 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Concert Message-ID: Hi, Shawn, you might want to wait till you get to Atlanta, that will save you the postage and I will save the labor:-) BTW, Shirts won't be done till Monday or Tues. Chuck From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Apr 4 22:58:29 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 22:58:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Love in Space clip Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Apr 1997, corwin wrote: > Hi! Why you didn't try to use RealAudio for sound clips? It's of better > quality and easier to load. Actually, this depends. Quality is satisfactory IFF your connection can keep up with the stream, otherwise, you get lots of unpleasant dropouts and weird audible effects (like phasing). For example, I was trying to listen to some Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys RealAudio samples on an online record shop WWW site and experienced great difficulty maintaining acceptable quality. The modem pool line I got when I logged in was only a 14400 connection (not all of our modem pool lines have upgraded to 28800, so what you get is a bit of a lottery when you connect). Obviously, the samples had been prepared under the assumption that the bit rate would be that of a 28800 connection. As a result, the RealAudio player had difficulty maintaining sync with the incoming stream, giving rise to all sorts of unpleasant audio artifacts. Btw, RealAudio is comparable in quality to FM radio at best. Because it is a streaming technology, you must factor in the unpredictable nature of available bandwidth whilst listening. This is quite a factor when connected via a modem; less so for ethernet and above. My main beef against RealAudio is that it is proprietary and fixated on PCs; if you're not a WinDoze or Mac user, you're pretty much shafted. At least I can get MPEG software for the Digital Unix Alpha workstations I primarily use. I think the prevailing ethos with a lot of multimedia stuff coming out nowadays is "if you're not using a PC, go to hell," despite there being perfectly good international standards catering to multi-platform support. Cheers, Paul. obGreatCD: Nektar, _Sunday Night at London Roundhouse_ obCrapCD: Nektar, _Magic is a Child_ (Obviously recorded by Nektar's evil twin, Rat Ken. AVOID this at all costs, unless you actually *like* listening to material so cringeworthy it's even embarrassing to listen to via headphones... [IMHO!!];) obSavingGrace: Both the above bought used at my local shop for $5 each. (And _Magic is a Child_ *does* in fact have one or two maybe decent tracks on it [hidden well away], truth be told.) From Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Apr 4 23:40:25 1997 From: Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Star Rats) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 22:40:25 -0600 Subject: HW: Love in Space clip In-Reply-To: <3345B667.98D@ropnet.ru> Message-ID: At 05:18 05/04/97 +0300, you wrote: >Hi! Why you didn't try to use RealAudio for sound clips? It's of better >quality and easier to load. In the words of John Major, I refer the honorable gentleman to my previous statement:) Thanks for the note about MPEG - that was something that didn't spring to mind. Star Rats From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Apr 5 06:55:56 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 21:55:56 +1000 Subject: HW: Current EBS Catalog Message-ID: Hi All, Dale prbaobly has it up on the official page by now, but if you haven't looked, the current EBS catalog lists: EBSCD126 The Complete Spiral Realms Simon House 21.4.97 EBCD106 Love in Space EP Hawkwind 6.5.97 EBT106 Love in Space 12" Hawkwind 6.5.97 EBSCD127 Distant Horizons Psychedelic Warriors 26.5.97 EBSCD128 PXR5 Hawkwind 2.6.97 EBSCD129 Brock 7696 Dave Brock 9.6.97 EBSCD130 Red Harvey Bainbridge 19.5.97 PXR5!!!! Yay! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU Sat Apr 5 14:03:16 1997 From: uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 22:03:16 +0300 Subject: Free SpaceRock! Message-ID: Hello Marc! Marc Power wrote: > we would like to offer exclusive to the highly > educated ears of the ERPnotes and BOC-L membership, > a FREE sampler tape of our music, entitled > 'This is SpaceRock'. > > Mail me with your snail-mail address at mpower at fcmc.com > if you would like to receive this nifty little item, or > if you want to know more about 'Born to Go'. > > Overseas applicants welcome. Thank you for your generous offer, I'd like to get it. My address is: Yuri Elik Sapiorny per.10-87 191014 St.Petersburg Russia From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat Apr 5 13:38:46 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 13:38:46 -0500 Subject: Free SpaceRock! ->Mail marc directly. Message-ID: > Thank you for your generous offer, I'd like to get it. > My address is: > i don't know, but i think it might be better if you send your reply directly to marc. i haven't seen any other posts from him, and he may have subscribed just long enuff to post his message, then unsubbed. he may not be recieving your requests. this is not a complaint, but is only advice for your own benefit. rj From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Apr 6 05:54:53 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 19:54:53 +1000 Subject: Ginsberg 1926 - 1997 Message-ID: In case people haven't heard this yet, Allan Ginsberg died yesterday of a heart attack and a serious case of cancer. This is very sad. Ginsberg was a genius, and all round wonderful human being. The 60s cultural revolution may not have been much of a revolution without him. At the moment he is traversing around the first bardo. May he rest in peace. - Max Wilcox From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Apr 6 11:10:17 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 17:10:17 +0200 Subject: HW: Current EBS catalog Message-ID: Greetings! At last some news concerning the new releases from EBS. But what about the two Live-cd?s we are waiting for? Can someone spread some light concerning Spiral realms CD, is it a compilation or what? Are there any bonus-tracks on the "new" PXR5? Does someone know anything about "Red", is it a more rock-oriented album or does it sound like the tape he released a few years ago? Are the two "LiS" singles (cds/12") identical (same tracks)? Anyway, I?m looking forward to the most of the stuff from EBS. Thanks in advance Henrik -- ========================================================== "A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward from cradle earth to our future in the stars." Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 From torgo at NORWICH.NET Sun Apr 6 14:34:16 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 14:34:16 -0400 Subject: The Brain Surgeons: Live at Spirits Tavern Message-ID: The Brain Surgeons: LIVE! April 5,1997 Spirits Tavern, Auburn NY "Where everybody shrieks your name." Spirits Tavern in Auburn NY gives me the overall feel of many a small tavern. Its by no means fancy, and by no means a dive, just your neighborhood place where folks might gather in small clusters after a hard days work to maybe tip a glass or three, possibly to chow down a burger, or shoot a game of darts. Just another bar in just another town. I half expected George Wendt to come lumbering through the door. My friends and I arrived at the bar early enough to catch the Brain Surgeons as they went through the tedious task of setting up instruments and checking sound levels, and I could not help but notice that they seemed to truly be enjoying what they were doing. Here is Albert Bouchard, who once had crews of underlings to do these necessities for him in sold out arenas and massive venues that held more people than the small city I live in, rolling up his sleeves and getting the job done. We watched them set up and then crank out a nice test run of the equipment on "I am the one you warned me of" and "Medusa". The band sure sounded ready to me. They were crisp, they were tight, and they seemed eager to start the marathon of Rock and Roll that we were all eager ourselves to have fired at us from point blank range. "We're gonna try to do 33 songs tonight. Hope we can remember all the words." We met with Albert and Deb before they took the stage as they hung with Helen Wheels, who has written and co-written many a Blue Oyster Cult and Brain Surgeons tune. The thing that kept going through my head was how much better this was than seeing "Rock Gods" in a huge stadium, where they are so far away and impersonal that it could be anyone up on that stage gyrating to the music and you would not know the difference. Albert is a very (understatement) nice guy who seemed as genuinely excited about meeting fans as we were of meeting him. The same can be said about all the Brain Surgeons, a better bunch of folks you WILL NOT find. Albert told us they were going to try to nail down 33 songs in 3 sets that night, and we got just what he promised. But we got more, we got alot more..... "Engage." The band took the stage at 10pm and proceeded to kick off the ballistic marathon evening with a set of 11 songs, featuring several from the latest album "Box of Hammers", and a few timeless BOC classics. The crowd was pretty small, with two halves that were very easy to pick out. A few locals who probably didn't know who the band was seemed to be getting into the tunes, while a pile of us BOC/Surgeons fans who knew what to expect from the band hooted and thumped from our tables. Set one consisted of: Gun Medusa St. Vitus dance Date with a guitar Astronomy Laura's plastic swords Gimme nothin' My civilization Tender was the night Dominance and Submission The Red and The Black The first thing that hit me was how clear and honest the band was. The sound was perfect. It was loud, but not so that you lost your eardrums on the first tune and then heard nothing but rumbling through the rest of the set. Everything seemed to be perfect, from clarity right down to vantage point. I settled into my seat, tapped my foot, and let the band have their way with me. "Gun" opened up the set nicely, a driving rocker that loosened up the bands muscle, and might have shaken a cobweb or two from the rafters. Another highlight of the first set was Billy Hilfiger's champion performance on "Tender was the Night", showing that he is indeed a top notch axe wielder. Deb Frost's vocals, something that either makes or breaks people I turn on to Brain Surgeons music, sounded fantastic, a vocalist that really must be heard live to be appreciated. A gentle screech here, a loving shriek there, this woman shows the crowd no mercy, and when it comes to Deb, we expect none. But easily the highlight of the set was when the band clawed its way through the BOC classic "Dominance and Submission". Deb lender another guitar to the sound and Albert proved once again what a drumming presence he is, as sticks shattered and hi-hats teetered and wobbled under the onslaught that is Al Bouchard seated in his favorite gunner's seat. "Second Verse, same as the first." The second set kicked off after a short break where the band mixed, mingled, and got very friendly with the crowd. The second set songs were: I'm on fire Soul jive Baby ice dog Hansel & Gretel Locked up A kiss is a promise 666 (Devil got your mother) Donkey show I play the drums Time will care of you Ramblin' Rose This set seemed much more laid back than the first. Perhaps the band used it as a breather from the first assault and saved up reserves for the mountain of tunes that were still to follow in the next set. Peter Bohovesky showed off his sense of humor when he took the vocals on his song "Donkey Show", and Deb & the Boys got funky with a much different and hornless arrangement of "Soul Jive". Tunes like "Hansel & Gretel" and "I'm on Fire" saw the band having fun with the crowd and settling things into a groove for a while. Once rested up, the band used this set to tear into some of their heavier stuff, with the transition from the sometimes soft-spoken "Kiss is a Promise" going nicely into the fire and brimstone of "666 (Devil got your Mother)". Albert once again flexed his drumming muscle on the drum-laden "I Play the Drums", and once again I shook my head in wonder at how the man does it so well. "Hammering in the final nails". Another quick break of mixing and chatting with the fans and the band stood, cracked their knuckles and went back to doing what they do best. In a set that leaned heavily towards songs from the first Brain Surgeons album "Eponymous" and some classic well worn BOC material that Albert had stashed away in his bottomless bag of tricks, the band used the last ounces of sweat still in them to finish of the "marathon". This featured: Stones in my passway The most romantic place in the world Kiss tomorrow goodbye Language of love Sally Death valley nights The Brain from Terra Incognita Overture I am the one you warned me of Career of evil Name your monster Cities on flame The band didn't seem to lack energy as they ripped through set 3. At this point even the locals seemed to pick up on the vibe of the band (or perhaps their drinks had kicked in enough) and they started to really get into the music. One of the highlights was Deb and Al trading places on stage, with Deb taking over skins duty while Al stood center stage with a guitar as they did a fantastic version of the classic Al-era BOC tune "Death Valley Nights". The show closed up with Deb's voice finding new screaming reserves on the kicking "Name your Monster", and Al took over once again on vocals with a song that all die-hard BOC fans will forever associate with the man, "Cities on Flame". This pounding and thumping version was a perfect closer to a night of both old and new classics meshed together in symmetry. "One more song.... One more song...." Well, Albert & crew had accomplished what they had originally set out to do. They promised us 33 songs and unless the official Brain Surgeons abacus is incorrect (they should get that thing calibrated now and then), by my count they did 34 songs. The band mopped sweat, stretched weary muscles, and said their goodnights, but the audience was far from ready to let them get away. As the crowd clapped and cheered for one more song, the Surgeons didn't fight it. Sliding back into his cockpit and strapping himself in, Albert led his band through a rocking and rowdy version of "Operation luv" from the latest album. This got the crowd on their feet and jumping like frogs on a battery charger. As the song ended and the band made their way away from the twisted and smoking remains, Billy Hilfiger offered up an impromptu performance of BOC's "Last days of May", with the audience singing along with him. "Shutting down the machine." And so after 35 songs in 4 hours, the band said their respects to a still hungry crowd. They closed up the set, wiped off the grease paint, mopped up the blood and entrails and packed up the "Big Hair Rock show" (as Deb called it), and slipped away into the night. Far away and so many years from the sold-out arenas and their impersonal division between band and fans, I felt like I had participated in a rare moment in time that nobody in that room was soon to forget, from either side of the mic stands. I certainly wasn't disappointed. Christ, how could I be? Rob (Torgo) Sedler torgo at norwich.net From uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU Sun Apr 6 16:40:24 1997 From: uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 00:40:24 +0400 Subject: Free SpaceRock! ->Mail marc directly. Message-ID: Hello Ron! Ron Jennings wrote: > i don't know, but i think it might be better if you send your reply > directly to marc. You are absolutely right. As I remember, it was late and I was very tired, so I forgot to put a right address. Today I was very disappointed when I found that I have sent it to BOC-L instead of Marc :( Thank you for pointing my mistake to me, and sorry to all BOC-Lers. Yuri From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 7 05:17:42 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:17:42 +0100 Subject: HW: various questions Message-ID: Being new to the list, I don`t know if these have been covered before but: 1. Do I have a faulty CD or is there terrible wow and flutter during Angels of Death on the new Sonic Attack CD? 2. Is there some problem with EMI and the rights to Warrior on the Edge of Time because I was wondering if they were going to do a remastering job with digipack sleeve? 3. Does anyone have a good quality stereo recording of that television slot HW played (I think the program was called ECS and was probably about 12 years ago)? They played Angels of Death and a rip-roaring version of The Right Stuff. 4. Does anyone know which of the Hammersmith Odeon gigs were used for the 2CD Live Chronicles recording? That'll do for now. Thanks in advance for any answers. Mark Edmonds From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Apr 7 07:45:00 1997 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 06:45:00 -0500 Subject: OFF:Deep Heaven Message-ID: DEEP HEAVEN, 115 Kingston St, Chinatown (Boston) 4/5/97 This was an amazing event in a loft in chinatown here in boston. The bands were: Saturnalia Abunai! Lockgroove Lullabye Juneau Primordial Undermind Cul De Sac Bardo Pond I recorded the complete sets of all these bands (except Saturnalia) on my Sharp Minidisc MS-200-A unit with Core Sound Cartioid Microphones. All the recordings came out excellent!! MD is the way to go for recording live music!! I have recorded bands for 16 years on analog cassettes, but this is so much of an improvement, even better than DAT (not for technical reasons, but for the easy of recording, the functional aspects of the MD and the sound quality). About the music, Saturnalia, transported me back to the commune in germany in 1969 where Amon Duul would play for endless hours. This band was great, unfortuantely, I only caught two songs of their set. Great stuff, a bands with drums, stand up bass, therimon, guitar, female vocals (or whispers and sounds, i should say), and a guy who played banjo or cello. Abunai are a great new band who are spacey (psych), folky and have a great guitar sound. The vocals are way out of tune, but who cares, cause the songs are so good. Hot new band! Lockgroove Lullaby are a very heavy driving type of psychedlic music. Almost a heavy punk feel and anger at times, but with great distorted guitars! Pretty intense stuff..... Juneau, are two guitars, drums and a guy who basically screams or yells.... They seem like total improve and you don't know where the song is going to go and neither do they, so they are real hit or miss. I did not care much for them last night but upon listening to the MD, it was not too bad. I think they are closets to bands like Marble Sheep or Fushishitsu from japan. Primordial Undermind were the most melodic of the bands, but still a very heavy dual guitar rhythm going. The lead singer also played a lot of lead guitar, but not the soloing type, just adding a melodic tone thru the tunes. Pretty interesting band. Cul de Sac I had been wanting to see for years, but they rarely ever play. Anyway, these guys are heavily into the Kraut rock style with synths, drums (great drummer), guitar and bass. The synth is very high in the mix and he uses mainly old electronic gear, and gets great sounds.. The guitar player impressed me a lot. A few of the songs had a great oriental/mid eastern feel to the tunes. They ranged from the wall of sound noise to beautiful songs all with a psych feel. Bardo Pond, set up and only got to play for 8m before the show was shut down because of the sound curfew, which was a drag, as I had a feel that they were going to be great!! Pretty incredible show! I feel quite lucky to have been one of the people who attended this special event! Also, if you are thinking of recording concerts, mini disc the way to go... no question... Scott From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 7 05:04:42 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:04:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Current EBS Catalog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Sonique writes >PXR5!!!! Yay! > >Sonique > >-- Which PXR5? Old vinyl High Rise (better version) or the later CD edit? I didn't realise PXR5 was that hard to get. I only bought my CD last year.......bet there's extra tracks, just betcha! -- Jon Browne From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Apr 7 10:16:00 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 22:16:00 +0800 Subject: HW: Current EBS Catalog Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In message , Sonique > writes > >PXR5!!!! Yay! > > > >Sonique > > > >-- > Which PXR5? Old vinyl High Rise (better version) or the later CD edit? > It would be good if they include both versions. Maybe they will also bring out 25 Years On soon (with the other version of the title track as well!) William From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Apr 7 11:20:04 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:20:04 -0400 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond and _The Producers_ Message-ID: Serendipity strikes. I didn't realise until the weekend that yet another line from a Bevis Frond song is in fact a soundbite from a film. The line in question is from "Can't Stop Lying" on _It Just Is_, and is kind of a background line that runs "I was the lead tenor for the Albuquerque Opera Company for the last three seasons..." I was knocked sideways when, whilst watching the Mel Brooks film _The Producers_ on TV recently, that line assailed me out of the TV set. It occurs whilst they are auditioning the singing Hitlers, prior to the appearance of the actual guy who lands the part. Well I never. Another Bevis Frond soundbite that has been a nagging choir of memory is the one at the start of the _Sprawl_ album (the "...mind the doors, mind the doors!" one). I remember seeing the film it is from (about cannibals inhabiting the London Underground), but cannot for the life of me remember the film's title. Can anyone help me out?? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Monster Magnet, _Superjudge_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Apr 7 11:50:57 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:50:57 +0200 Subject: HW: various questions Message-ID: Hello Mark At 10:17 07.04.97 +0100, you wrote: >3. Does anyone have a good quality stereo recording of that television >slot HW played (I think the program was called ECS and was probably >about 12 years ago)? They played Angels of Death and a rip-roaring >version of The Right Stuff. I have a mono (video) recording from that gig (26.04.1985) >4. Does anyone know which of the Hammersmith Odeon gigs were used for >the 2CD Live Chronicles recording? 03.12.1985 Bernhard From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Apr 7 12:05:04 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:05:04 UT Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond and _The Producers_ Message-ID: >Another Bevis Frond soundbite that has been a nagging choir of memory is >the one at the start of the _Sprawl_ album (the "...mind the doors, mind >the doors!" one). I remember seeing the film it is from (about cannibals >inhabiting the London Underground), but cannot for the life of me remember >the film's title. Can anyone help me out?? The title "Death Line" comes to mind - although I can't find it in Cinemania, which is usually pretty comprehensive. But while word-searching for it, I noticed a 1975 Jonathan Kaplan flick called "White Line Fever"... - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Apr 7 14:27:57 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:27:57 -0600 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Pete> Was it just me who thought that EW was finished, and that the holdup was with the distribution?" Supposedly most of the songs were recorded they just needed to mix it. But from the Buck chat and Eric posting it appears not all the songs are ready either. At this rate summer release looks real optimistic. Probably looking at 4th quarter 97 or early 98. Anybody know the full track listing for it? Hopefully they can add a few to the current setlist. tBS Show - Good review Torgo. Sounds like a great time. lil ab In The Player (sue me I was taping) Saigon Kick - Saigon Kick Saigon Kick - The Lizard Saigon Kick - Water Saigon Kick - Devil In the Details War - The World is A Ghetto Theo how 'bout them freebies babe? From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Mon Apr 7 15:10:36 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:10:36 CDT Subject: HW EBS catalog listings Message-ID: The Assassin Sonique wrote: >EBCD106 Love in Space EP Hawkwind 6.5.97 >EBT106 Love in Space 12" Hawkwind 6.5.97 Anyone know what the differences will be between the cd and 12"? Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Apr 7 14:11:00 1997 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:11:00 EDT Subject: BRAIN: tBS at Auburn Message-ID: I can't better Torgo's review, so I'll just add some random thoughts from my skewed vantage point. I will say that this is going to be one gig that will be tough to top for many reasons. One of these times they will get all the lyrics right though. My favorite run of the show had to be: A kiss is a promise 666 (Devil got your mother) Donkey show I play the drums Time will care of you Ramblin' Rose I've been running it through my head ever since. "Kiss" is so lilting. "666" is great live, it could be a fine audience sing along song and is just a hoot. "Donkey Show" is more endearing each time I hear it (but this was a 1st live) and I dig Pete's vocal style. This version had an even more sinuous guitar line than the BoH rendering that really smoked (found out who does the Hee Haw too). I hope to hear a lot more from Peter. The manic "I Play the Drums" has it's obvious strong points and the drummer has potential for great things (you heard it from me 1st). I blame Steve Swann for my hankering to hear "Time will Take Care of You" live and finally this itch got scratched well. Really took care of the blisters from "I Play the Drums" too. As a longtime fan of MC5 (my very 1st gig), these mofos can kick out the jams with Sonic and the boys anytime. One of the undeservedly less noticed members of the band really struck me this night. If you ever get a chance, check out the mighty Asscaster that Peter Bohovesky plays up close and get its story. An absolute riot! Plus, he does a dead on imitation of Fred What's his Name of the B-52's. He sneaks it in during songs with impeccable timing. Peter reminds me of Todd Rundgren both physically and musically, and Todd is God. His vocals really add a lot, even though he sings softly and swings a big axe, among other things. He needs an amp that goes to 11 like bad Billy Hilfiger's. As with the previous times I've seen tBS, they hit me so much as a live band. Even if you own all the CDs, you haven't heard tBS until it is live. Their gigs rock something wicked, but at the same time are just so much fun. Afterwards the CDs take on a new life. Deb's patter between songs alone is worth catching. Many bands may grimace or pose while playing, tBS just grin and it is infectious. I hope the people on the left coast take advantage of the chance to see them on their tour out there soon. Mailing list members, watch for the next Cellsum catalog soon. Al was decidedly cryptic, but there is something brewing. Might be a good time to snag the last of the BoH caps with the suede bill and denim old style baseball top. (The preceding line was brought to you by Cellsum Records) Rudy From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Apr 7 18:54:18 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:54:18 -0400 Subject: OFF: hash bash Message-ID: Can't you just imagine Hawkwind playing at this event? Anyone want to try to convince them for next year? :-) ========== fwd: ANN ARBOR, Mich., April 5 (UPI) -- Marijuana advocates were back on the University of Michigan campus in Ann Arbor (Saturday) for the 26th annual ``Hash Bash'' rally, but rain extinguished some of the enthusiasm this year. The event drew a crowd of about 2,000 people, ranging from pro-hemp activists to curious passers-by. Last year's gathering, held under sunnier skies, drew about 5,000. A noontime speaker addressed a crowd on a campus quad for about an hour. Later in the afternoon, other activists called for legalizing marijuana and promoting the use of hemp from the balcony of an off-campus bar. Campus security officers made at least 38 drug-related arrests on the day, while Ann Arbor police ticketed more than 100 people for marijuana use. The City of Ann Arbor takes a relatively tolerant attitude toward pot smokers, issuing $25 citations to those caught using marijuana on city property. [...] From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon Apr 7 19:35:10 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:35:10 -0700 Subject: OFF- hash bash Message-ID: Ah, there is still some sanity left in the world. I never would have thought Michigan could be cool, Forget Berkeley, I'll take Ann Arbor. Dane ObCD: A Saucerful of Pink From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Apr 7 20:44:12 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:44:12 -0400 Subject: OFF- hash bash Message-ID: Dane writes: > Ah, there is still some sanity left in the world. I never would have > thought Michigan could be cool, Forget Berkeley, I'll take Ann Arbor. The Hash Bash is just one this town's many interesting events. Next up: The Naked Mile (last day of classes, April 22, at midnight). Hundreds of people running naked through the streets, and 10,000 spectators. Don't believe me? See http://www.angelfire.com/mi/nmile/ But does Hawkwind ever play here? Nooooooooooo From ianfines at JUNO.COM Mon Apr 7 22:05:41 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 22:05:41 EDT Subject: BRAIN: tBS at Auburn Message-ID: As a longtime fan of MC5 (my very 1st gig), >these >mofos can kick out the jams with Sonic and the boys anytime. yeah...but did they have the rallying speech before the song like the MC5 used to? Peter reminds me >of Todd >Rundgren both physically and musically, and Todd is God. His vocals >really add a lot, even though he sings softly and swings a big axe, >among >other things. He needs an amp that goes to 11 like bad Billy >Hilfiger's. Todd really is God...I see him as being one of the more underrated guitarists ever. The first Utopia album is amazing From ianfines at JUNO.COM Mon Apr 7 22:05:41 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 22:05:41 EDT Subject: OFF- hash bash Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:44:12 -0400 Ken Alexander writes: >Dane writes: >> Ah, there is still some sanity left in the world. I never would have >> thought Michigan could be cool, Forget Berkeley, I'll take Ann >Arbor. > >The Hash Bash is just one this town's many interesting events. >Next up: The Naked Mile (last day of classes, April 22, at midnight). >Hundreds of people running naked through the streets, and 10,000 >spectators. >Don't believe me? See http://www.angelfire.com/mi/nmile/ > >But does Hawkwind ever play here? Nooooooooooo > i hope to be participating in this next year...I'm probably going to go to school at U of M starting this fall. From ianfines at JUNO.COM Mon Apr 7 22:05:40 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 22:05:40 EDT Subject: OFF: hash bash Message-ID: Hey, i was there...and it was definately a good time for all. There really wasn't that much rain at all. Ann Arbor would be a great place for Hawkwind to play anytime, Hash Bash or not. The newly renovated Michigan Theatre might be an ideal stop for the Hawks come their supposed tour later this year. On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:54:18 -0400 Ken Alexander writes: >Can't you just imagine Hawkwind playing at this event? >Anyone want to try to convince them for next year? :-) > >========== fwd: > > ANN ARBOR, Mich., April 5 (UPI) -- Marijuana advocates were >back on >the University of Michigan campus in Ann Arbor (Saturday) for the 26th >annual >``Hash Bash'' rally, but rain extinguished some of the enthusiasm this >year. > The event drew a crowd of about 2,000 people, ranging from >pro-hemp >activists to curious passers-by. Last year's gathering, held under >sunnier skies, drew about 5,000. > A noontime speaker addressed a crowd on a campus quad for >about an >hour. Later in the afternoon, other activists called for legalizing >marijuana >and promoting the use of hemp from the balcony of an off-campus bar. > Campus security officers made at least 38 drug-related arrests >on the >day, while Ann Arbor police ticketed more than 100 people for >marijuana use. > The City of Ann Arbor takes a relatively tolerant attitude >toward pot >smokers, issuing $25 citations to those caught using marijuana on city >property. >[...] > From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Apr 7 23:33:31 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:33:31 +1000 Subject: OFF- hash bash Message-ID: Ken Alexander wrote: > The Hash Bash is just one this town's many interesting events. > Next up: The Naked Mile (last day of classes, April 22, at midnight). > Hundreds of people running naked through the streets, and 10,000 spectators. They'd have to get Stacia back for this one... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Tue Apr 8 10:04:15 1997 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 09:04:15 -0500 Subject: Todd is God and the Global mind Message-ID: > Peter reminds me > >of Todd > >Rundgren both physically and musically, and Todd is God. His > vocals > >really add a lot, even though he sings softly and swings a big axe, > >among > >other things. He needs an amp that goes to 11 like bad Billy > >Hilfiger's. > Todd really is God...I see him as being one of the more underrated > guitarists ever. The first Utopia album is amazing > Yes, with a guitar in his hand, but like another favorite son of ours he the likes to doodle with a snyth. He produced some damn good records for others too. The double album _Todd_ one of my favs, with the song Number One lowest Denominator just sends me off into space... The only time I saw Utopia he climbed to the top of a 20 foot pyramid made of metal bars while playing his guitar. The other time he was solo, it was in the mid 70's and one of my first concerts, and most of the show he sat on a stool with a microphone and sang accompanied by tapes, sequenced drums and synths. People we're walking out after about 45 minutes of this. In retrospect, it seems he was getting us ready for music of the 90's. (hmm, lets see here push the red and green buttons and out comes Space is their Palestine :-) OBidea: HW can represent so many things to a fan, lets create a global mind by playing the same song on a given date and time. Without going codex crazy, what song should it be? Something everyone has for sure, Paradox, Levitation or Psy Power perhaps. Imagine all the time zones involved, reflecting on the way of the Hawk. A contiousness reaching out to space, worrying about the future, machines, government and when HW might play at venue close by. Or where I can get enough money to buy all the CDs coming out this year. OBcd: This is Hawkwind do not panic Doug Bates Systems Analyst @ (TUCC) Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham Voice: (205) 934-9087 Fax: (205) 975-7129 Mailto:dbates at uab.edu From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 8 10:30:54 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:30:54 -0400 Subject: The Wheel Message-ID: Pete> Was it just me who thought that EW was finished, and that the holdup was with the distribution?" lil ab>Supposedly most of the songs were recorded they just needed to mix it. But from the Buck chat and Eric posting it appears not all the songs are ready either. At this rate summer release looks real optimistic. Probably looking at 4th quarter 97 or early 98. Anybody know the full track listing for it? Hopefully they can add a few to the current setlist. Well, again, Buck had said a 6 month delay, so 4th quarter 97 or early 98 looks about right, assuming BOC finish it up as planned, and get a distribution deal hooked up. As for the tracks, the complete listing of the 10 tracks scheduled to be on the album can be found in the latest version of the FAQ. John From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Apr 8 11:06:08 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:06:08 -0700 Subject: HW in Ann Arbor Message-ID: I would think HW would stop in the area, I recall the Ozrics played in Wyandotte (sp?). Their was a cool CD store there and the guy who ran it was a big Ozric fan and got them to play there on that first swing through the US. I would think Ozric Tenatacle people be aware of HW as well. Dane ObCDrmk: Force Majure-Tangerine Dream From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 8 11:15:46 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:15:46 -0400 Subject: The Brain Surgeons: Live at Spirits Tavern Message-ID: Many thanks to Torgo and Rudy for their great reviews of the show. I'd like to forward these on to Tania Ruiz, with your permissions, for possible inclusion on the official tBS website (and if she doesn't want 'em, I'll be glad to put them up on my up-an-coming tBS web page, which I'm tentatively titling, "The Brain Surgeons Post-Op" - I'm hoping to provide something that will be more of a supplement to the main site - sort of like, "if this wasn't enough for ya, check out this"). "Ass-caster?" I'm still waiting to hear the story on the "bow-hog"... Pete, I'm finding out, is one sick f***er - and I LIKE it! 35 songs? Boy, I'd really like them to take THAT show to Boston (hint hint Al - yes, I KNOW I'm annoying...) - well, maybe one of these days I can convince my family (although not with a wife who's 8 months pregnant) to take a little vacation in New York... Comments on the sets: > Gun Medusa St. Vitus dance Date with a guitar Astronomy Laura's plastic swords Gimme nothin' My civilization Tender was the night Dominance and Submission The Red and The Black With the exception of "Astronomy" (I assume Al sang this?), this is pretty close to a shortened version of their setlist from last November's gig at the Rodeo Bar. > I'm on fire Soul jive Baby ice dog Hansel & Gretel Locked up A kiss is a promise 666 (Devil got your mother) Donkey show I play the drums Time will care of you Ramblin' Rose Interesting setlist - yes, the hornless "Soul Jive" takes on quite a different character live. Hope to someday hear "Hansel & Gretel", "Devil Got your Mother", and "Donkey Show" live - and it's about time "Ramblin' Rose" made it back to the set! On *Trepanation*, it just sounds like so much FUN. > Stones in my passway The most romantic place in the world Kiss tomorrow goodbye Language of love Sally Death valley nights The Brain from Terra Incognita Overture I am the one you warned me of Career of evil Name your monster Cities on flame Tasty. I had the privilege of seeing tBS in late '94 (before *Trepanation* was recorded), so I've seen a few of these *Eponymous* treasures live (not all - never heard "Brain from Terra Incognita" or "Devil Got Your Mother"). Don't you just have an even better appreciation for "Death Valley Nights" after seeing tBS do it live? I know that was true for me. "I Am the One..." has probably consistently been my favorite Imaginos track over the years, and I'd love to see that one. And what BOC fan can argue with closing the set with "Cities on Flame" - did they do the "Night of the 1,000 Guitars" bit at the end (with tBS version of "the 5 Guitars")? Speaking of new appreciation of BOC songs, Deb's "You're MINE for the taking..." on "Career of Evil" gives me chills every time I hear it. >Operation luv Something tells me the band was planning an encore if they hadn't already played this tune... >Billy Hilfiger offered up an impromptu performance of BOC's "Last days of May", with the audience singing along with him. Very interesting - care to elaborate? Was it just Billy up there playing? Did anyone else sing, or just the crowd? >I certainly wasn't disappointed. Christ, how could I be? Certainly not . . . and you can refer to me as "John" ;-) John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 8 13:10:21 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:10:21 EDT Subject: tBS at Styleen's Message-ID: > From: Torgo > Subject: The Brain Surgeons: Live at Spirits Tavern > The Brain Surgeons: LIVE! > April 5,1997 Spirits Tavern, Auburn NY > > "Where everybody shrieks your name." > Spirits Tavern in Auburn NY gives me the overall feel of many a small > tavern. Its by no means fancy, and by no means a dive, just your > neighborhood place where folks might gather in small clusters after a hard > days work to maybe tip a glass or three, possibly to chow down a burger, or > shoot a game of darts. Just another bar in just another town. I half > expected George Wendt to come lumbering through the door. > Well, I knew if there were 2 gigs near my hometown, I'd just have to pick the wrong one to go to. Actually, I didn't have much choice. I was playing my own little gig, and my wife had the car... But Stylene's is a different kind of bar altogether. This place is set up for music. A decent-sized stage, and plenty of floor area for moshing. A large bar behind and down from the music area, unfortunately the stage can't be seen from the bar. This proved disastrous, as only about 5 people watched the band while there were about 20 people at the bar. I'd never been to Styleen's, even though I'm a local. I'd like to play there myself sometime... > My friends and I arrived at the bar early enough to catch the Brain > Surgeons as they went through the tedious task of setting up instruments > and checking sound levels, and I could not help but notice that they seemed > to truly be enjoying what they were doing. Here is Albert Bouchard, who > once had crews of underlings to do these necessities for him in sold out > arenas and massive venues that held more people than the small city I live > in, rolling up his sleeves and getting the job done. We watched them set up This happened here as well. In fact, Al was buzzing around between sets, actually helping the local groups with their gear. Al even sat in on one tune--playing keyboard no less--with the group Static Cling [horrendous name for a pretty good band]. In fact, they were a pleasant surprise, even more so in that they were missing their lead singer. They were kind of a punked-up group that sounded very professional. No searing guitar work here, but everything fit together nicely... The second group, the Establishment, didn't do anything for me, and I spent their set out in the courtyard doing some attitude adjustment... > > "We're gonna try to do 33 songs tonight. Hope we can remember all the words." > We met with Albert and Deb before they took the stage as they hung with > Helen Wheels, who has written and co-written many a Blue Oyster Cult and > Brain Surgeons tune. The thing that kept going through my head was how much > better this was than seeing "Rock Gods" in a huge stadium, where they are > so far away and impersonal that it could be anyone up on that stage > gyrating to the music and you would not know the difference. Albert is a > very (understatement) nice guy who seemed as genuinely excited about > meeting fans as we were of meeting him. The same can be said about all the > Brain Surgeons, a better bunch of folks you WILL NOT find. Albert told us > they were going to try to nail down 33 songs in 3 sets that night, and we > got just what he promised. But we got more, we got alot more..... > Yes and no as far as the Rock God thing goes. True it's great to see somebody up close, but remember, to me, BOC were like the Beatles are to a lot of people. They are my fave band all time, and in my opinion, the best rock band ever. So, to see a former member of that band in a bar is always bittersweet, as is seeing 3OC in bars nowadays. I didn't even approach Al, though I know I could have. I didn't want to be a gushing fan, and besides, I was embarrased for him, because there weren't more than 5 people watching the band. Though they must have been fans, 'cause Deb made reference to the title 'Trepanation,' asking if anyone knew what it meant, and 2 dudes leaped up with the answer. And these dudes were wildly appreciative of the show... The show itself really kicked, a tribute to the professionalism of these musicians. Al played his heart out. Deb made an appearance on guitar for DaS. Deb, play the guitar more--you sounded great. The set was short, but you can't blame them given the dismal crowd, and also owing to the fact that they didn't start til after midnight. There was an acoustic dude on a solo act when I walked in, followed by 2 local acts, so when tBS got on, it was late. Saddest of all, there actually were a few people in the bar, but they left after the local bands! The ultimate insult, but tBS graciously played their collective ass off, and acted like they classy bunch of players they are. Al, don't be offended: Syracuse is a shit town for supporting anything. If SU sports weren't doing well, the fans would dump them like a load of toxic waste. But as long as they win, then they're embraced. It's a tough town for music, too, with bizarrely skewed tastes. Benny Mardonnes is treated like Mick Jagger here, even though he's virtually unknown in the rest of the world. That having been said, the record largest crowd at the local arena was drawn by...BOC in it's heyday! Overall impressions were mixed. tBS are obviously highly skilled and talented. They showed a tremendous work ethic. Any other band would've told the bar to get fucked and walked off in disgust over the total lack of promotion and general indifference of the place. That tBS chose to play and play well for a tiny handful of fans shows that their hearts are in the right place. As long as they're playing, I'll be going to their shows... theo From torgo at NORWICH.NET Tue Apr 8 15:28:51 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:28:51 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Auburn gig Message-ID: R Rudich said: >As with the previous times I've seen tBS, they hit me so much as a live >band. Even if you own all the CDs, you haven't heard tBS until it is live. > Their gigs rock something wicked, but at the same time are just so much >fun. Afterwards the CDs take on a new life. I can't argue with this. I liked tBS ALOT before the gig, but when I rolled the CDs after the show they had more punch than before because I had for four hours stared into the yawning maw of flaming intensity that is the Brain Surgeons live and up close. They come across dark and twisted on record, and live they ARE all that, plus a bit on the fun side, never taking themselves too seriously. They cracked each other up a few times on stage, and when the band has fun, the audience does too. I wanna do it all again!!!! Torgo has left the Building........... torgo at norwich.net ******************************************************************* "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!! Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as fear, surpirse, ruthless efficiency, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms." ******************************************************************* From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Apr 8 17:34:50 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 17:34:50 EDT Subject: HW in Ann Arbor Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:06:08 -0700 Dane Carlson writes: >I would think HW would stop in the area, I recall the Ozrics played in >Wyandotte (sp?). Their was a cool CD store there and the guy who ran >it was a big Ozric fan and got them to play there on that first swing >through the US. I would think Ozric Tenatacle people be aware of HW as >well. Yeah, the store is Sprockets, and they have exclusive US rights to the Ozrics. They played at this little crappy bar in Wyandotte. I thought the Hawks were going to stop by Detroit in '95 at the Shelter (it was advertised and all), but the show was cancelled at the last minute. I think the last place they played was a shit hole called the Latin Quarter....is it even open anymore? From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Apr 8 22:36:19 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 22:36:19 -0400 Subject: The Brain Surgeons: Live Message-ID: It was really great to see all the boc-l people this weekend. Torgo was pretty cool, just a regular fellow. B Halligan's got some face hair now. Greg, Rudy, and a whole bunch of people who aren't on BOC-L were there. Even brother Joe's oldest daughter Shannon was there. We spent quality time with Helen Wheels (even though she was not prepared to sit in) and even the locals took a shine to us a Spirits. Theo, I still didn't get to know because he's embarrassed about Syracuse. Oh well, we really did have a good time. I think there were probably more than 5 people because I can recall almost all of them by name. Where were you Theo, still toking up in the courtyard? There was Astro who makes BOC-related stickers on his laser printer (check out his web site at astrohttp://www.dreamscape.com/astro/), Dave S (otherwise known as RastusBear), all the guys in the Establishment (5 very cute SU students), Dave's friend, some of Static Cling, various and sundry people who came and went but Styleen's is a pretty big place and you need at least a couple hundred for it to feel right. The PA at Styleen's is slammin' and so's the stage and the few people who were there were totally into it. The owners of Styleen's were there and they want us back on a Friday or Saturday in the fall at a reasonable hour too. So things worked out OK. We got paid, sold some shirts and CDs and had a good time that afternoon too. Al From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Wed Apr 9 02:09:06 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 02:09:06 -0400 Subject: The Wheel Message-ID: Does anyone else find it as disheartening as I that the band can only scrape together ten songs after this many years? Half of which we've heard multiple times live? Maybe we can get a bonus track--how about another recording of "Godzilla" with the newest rhythm section? I suppose I shouldn't complain about the album until it's proven to exist. From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Apr 9 04:04:00 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:04:00 +1000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Single Message-ID: Hi all, This is just a little question (obviously)... How much is a 1972 Silver Machine/Lord of Light worth? Is it rare at all? I've never seen any HW singles about these parts (but that's not that strange), and I picked this single up today for $2. Is this something to be excited about, rather happy about, or just contented about? Thanks, <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 9 09:20:11 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:20:11 GMT+0100 Subject: HW in Ann Arbor Message-ID: On tis 8 apr 1997 17.34 "Ian R Fines" wrote: > Yeah, the store is Sprockets, and they have exclusive US rights to the > Ozrics. What does exclusive US rights to the Ozrics mean? It's not like they're the only place in the US that sells Ozrics discs! Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 9 09:27:39 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:27:39 GMT+0100 Subject: The Wheel Message-ID: On ons 9 apr 1997 02.09 "Chris Baker" wrote: > Does anyone else find it as disheartening as I that the band can only > scrape together ten songs after this many years? Not as disheartening as the fact that appear to remain wholly incapable getting them released ;) > I suppose I shouldn't complain about the album until it's proven to > exist. And the main complaint about the albums seems to be its dogged refusal to exisit ;) Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 9 08:15:52 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:15:52 -0400 Subject: The Wheel Message-ID: > Does anyone else find it as disheartening as I that the band can only > scrape together ten songs after this many years? Well, their two most prolific songwriters are gone. To 3OC's credit though, many have been impressed with the songs that they have managed to scrape together. Now, if they can just release them . . . > I suppose I shouldn't complain about the album until it's proven to > exist. As Carl points out, the biggest complaint is that it does not yet exist. There have been rumblings about this album for at least 2 years, and it is frustrating that after they presumably had a deal, it was terminated before the album was finished. But we wait...and hope...and pray . . . John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 9 08:31:59 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:31:59 EDT Subject: The Wheel Message-ID: >> From: John A Swartz > > Does anyone else find it as disheartening as I that the band can only > > scrape together ten songs after this many years? > > Well, their two most prolific songwriters are gone. To 3OC's credit > though, many have been impressed with the songs that they have managed > to scrape together. Now, if they can just release them . . . > How 'bout Buck? Maybe Al and Sandy And Meltzer wrote a lot of lyrics, but BD wrote all those killer riffs [or most of them anyway]... > > I suppose I shouldn't complain about the album until it's proven to > > exist. > > As Carl points out, the biggest complaint is that it does not yet exist. > There have been rumblings about this album for at least 2 years, and > it is frustrating that after they presumably had a deal, it was > terminated before the album was finished. But we wait...and hope...and > pray . . . > > John Hey, the 'new' stuff I've heard live is KILLER, and that only adds to the frustration. And, since Al puts out records like clockwork... theo From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Apr 9 08:39:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:39:00 +0100 Subject: HW: various questions In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds' mail of Mon, 7 Apr 97 10:17 +0100 Message-ID: On 07 Apr 10:17, Mark Edmonds wrote: > 2. Is there some problem with EMI and the rights to Warrior on the Edge > of Time because I was wondering if they were going to do a remastering > job with digipack sleeve? The story I read (on boc-l) was that they don't have the original master tapes, so they can't remaster this album. I can't help you with your other questions. But if there is wow and flutter on Angels Of Death, I'm glad that I haven't got around to buying the Sonic Attack CD yet. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Wed Apr 9 09:23:16 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:23:16 CDT Subject: HW: Moorcock/Calvert tapes Message-ID: Hi all, I'll be sitting down tonight after work to (finally) make the Moorcock/Calvert tapes people requested. They should be going out in the mail on Saturday. If you have any questions, etc. please mail me at iscladoc at idir.net. For those of you whom I've been talking about doing some additional trading, I'll be back in touch tonight. Sorry for the delays, but life's been busy of late ;-/ Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 9 09:42:33 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:42:33 -0400 Subject: The Wheel Message-ID: Theo notes: >How 'bout Buck? Maybe Al and Sandy And Meltzer wrote a lot of lyrics, but BD wrote all those killer riffs [or most of them anyway]... Well, no offense meant to Buck -- I like many of his contributions. My point was that Al and Joe were the most prolific song-writers -- and BTW, I believe that Al wrote many of BOC's killer riffs (not trying to debate as to who wrote more). Also, Buck has written a lot of material that is more pop-oriented and less in the BOC vein (again, I think he's written some great stuff, don't get me wrong). But, perhaps when it comes to crafting words and lyrics into a song, BOC's current line-up is not as prolific without the Bouchards. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 9 09:44:18 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:44:18 -0400 Subject: BOC: AOL Chat Message-ID: By the way, for those of you on AOL who didn't know, the BOC chat was NOT held last night -- AOL scheduled it for next Tuesday (4/15) - I'm not sure why, as it is always on the 2nd Tuedsay of the month, but perhaps AOL got messed up by the fact that this April has 5 Tuedsays. At any rate, the BOC chat is next Tuesday from 10-midnite, EDT. John From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Apr 9 10:01:23 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:01:23 +1000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Single In-Reply-To: <334B4D70.3E60@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: On 9 Apr 97 at 18:04, Max Wilcox wrote: > Hi all, > > This is just a little question (obviously)... > How much is a 1972 Silver Machine/Lord of Light worth? Is it rare at > all? I've never seen any HW singles about these parts (but that's not that > strange), and I picked this single up today for $2. Is this something to be > excited about, rather happy about, or just contented about? I'd say damn excited ... but I'd say that regardless of what you paid ;^) Sonique (who knows how hard HW 7"'s are to come by down under) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Apr 9 10:29:21 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:29:21 +1000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Single Message-ID: Sonique wrote: > > How much is a 1972 Silver Machine/Lord of Light worth? Is it rare at > > all? I've never seen any HW singles about these parts (but that's not that > > strange), and I picked this single up today for $2. Is this something to be > > excited about, rather happy about, or just contented about? > > I'd say damn excited ... but I'd say that regardless of what you paid ;^) > > Sonique (who knows how hard HW 7"'s are to come by down under) Yeh, I just looked my codex, and discovered that I must have been an original UK pressing, as it's got the black on white gatefold cover. Actually, it was almost a disaster - I was getting the bus back home after I'd purchased it, and on the bus was going to pull it out to have a look at it, and discovered I had left it somewhere. So I had to catch the bus back to uni (I bought it at a uni market) and it was sitting on the ground at the bus stop. I cried with joy, as you can imagine... And then uttered a short prayer to the Master of the Universe for preserving my single (and sanity...). <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Apr 9 11:06:57 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:06:57 +0200 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Single Message-ID: At 18:04 1997-04-09 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all, > > This is just a little question (obviously)... > How much is a 1972 Silver Machine/Lord of Light worth? Is it rare at >all? I've never seen any HW singles about these parts (but that's not >that strange), and I picked this single up today for $2. Is this >something to be excited about, rather happy about, or just contented >about? > Thanks, are you sure b/w is "Lord of Light"???? the common flip side is "7 by 7". there was one 2x7" with both SM and LoL, but I think they was on different disks. if it's SM & LoL, I'll recomend you to have an auction to tease the kollektors amongst us. best - \\joe From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Apr 9 11:06:23 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:06:23 -0600 Subject: Embarrassed? Message-ID: Theo>"This proved disastrous, as only about 5 people watched the band while there were about 20 people at the bar. " Was this a mid week show? Could explain the small crowd. Theo>"I didn't even approach Al, though I know I could have. I didn't want to be a gushing fan, and besides, I was embarrased for him, because there weren't more than 5 people watching the band." Uh no flames guy but I don't understand this sentiment. You play in a band right? When you book a gig your job is to show up and play. The venue is in charge of promotion and if they didn't do their job its hardly a reflection on you. Yet, how far will you go in this business if you let what you describe determine if you'll play that night? I'm sure tBS would have liked to perform in front of a bigger crowd but they can't control what the venue did or did not do to promote the show. Now as for not wanting to meet Al live and in person, one never knows how many chances you'll get to do that again. Seems like a great time to go up meet and show your support of the band. Again I'm not flaming you but this is rock and roll and sometimes good things don't always happen for good bands. Theo>"Overall impressions were mixed. tBS are obviously highly skilled and talented. They showed a tremendous work ethic. Any other band would've told the bar to get fucked and walked off in disgust over the total lack of promotion and general indifference of the place. That tBS chose to play and play well for a tiny handful of fans shows that their hearts are in the right place. As long as they're playing, I'll be going to their shows." Thats how professionals handle these situations. Its Syracuse's loss. Maybe a less experienced band does what you describe but I can't imagine a veteran act doing this. Do you get paid if you don't play? John S.>" Well, again, Buck had said a 6 month delay, so 4th quarter 97 or early 98 looks about right, assuming BOC finish it up as planned, and get a distribution deal hooked up. As for the tracks, the complete listing of the 10 tracks scheduled to be on the album can be found in the latest version of the FAQ." John you need a sig line to insert evertime someone poses a question that can be found in the FAQ. How about "Just check the FAQ, Jack." 8>). Guess the only sad thing is hearing the band announce one of the new songs as being on their "Upcomming album" during the geezer fest. You'll be able to distinguish the die-hard BOC fans from the casuals, just check for smiles and groans. In any event, hopefully they'll have an opportunity to make EW sound just the way they want it. lil ab >"One step closer to the setting sun your skins on fire again." "One step closer to the bleeding heart a bandage for the wound." >"One step closer to the promise land your minds a liar again." obcd - Triumph - Thunder Seven From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 9 11:24:45 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:24:45 EDT Subject: The Wheel Message-ID: >> From: John A Swartz > Theo notes: > > >How 'bout Buck? Maybe Al and Sandy And Meltzer wrote a lot of > lyrics, but BD wrote all those killer riffs [or most of them > anyway]... > > Well, no offense meant to Buck -- I like many of his contributions. My > point was that Al and Joe were the most prolific song-writers -- and > BTW, I believe that Al wrote many of BOC's killer riffs (not trying to > debate as to who wrote more). Also, Buck has written a lot of material > that is more pop-oriented and less in the BOC vein (again, I think he's > written some great stuff, don't get me wrong). But, perhaps when it > comes to crafting words and lyrics into a song, BOC's current line-up > is not as prolific without the Bouchards. > > John The current live act is the Buck show. And the new tunes are BD compositions. What left BOC with Al's departure [and to a lesser extent Joe's] is the macabre song ideas, and the abandonment, the experimentation. BD's a lot more predictable, though still great. Don't forget that BOC also lost two really good singers too. And what with EB's 'problems' BOC is now a one-singer band where there used to be four... From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Apr 9 11:39:27 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:39:27 +1000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Single Message-ID: \joe wrote: > are you sure b/w is "Lord of Light"???? > > the common flip side is "7 by 7". > there was one 2x7" with both SM and LoL, but I think they was on different > disks. Ooopps. Yes, you are very right. 7 by 7 it is. I should be more carefull with these things. Well, I mean "7 By 7", it sounds a bit like "Lord of Light"... Well, not realy... But here's a thing - looking at the song credits:- Silver Machine: Bob Calvert - S. MacManus Seven By Seven: S. MacManus Who in hell's S. MacManus? Is this a pseudonym for someone else? Or is this a mistake? Sounds a bit funny to me... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 9 10:57:20 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:57:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Single In-Reply-To: <334BA7C1.7724@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: Whilst we are on the subject of singles, does the Dave Brock picture disc with "Raping Robots in the Street" have any value? Also, does anyone here actually have a copy of that Sonic Attack single which I think came in a cloth bag? Thanks, Mark Edmonds From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Apr 9 12:05:59 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:05:59 -0400 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Single In-Reply-To: <334BB82F.6656@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Max Wilcox wrote: > Who in hell's S. MacManus? Is this a pseudonym for someone else? > Or is this a mistake? Sounds a bit funny to me... It is a pseudonym for Dave Brock, used so he would actually get paid. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Egg, _Egg_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Apr 9 13:14:05 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:14:05 -0400 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Single Message-ID: >On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Max Wilcox answered Paul with: > >> Who in hell's S. MacManus? Is this a pseudonym for someone else? >> Or is this a mistake? Sounds a bit funny to me... > >It is a pseudonym for Dave Brock, used so he would actually get paid. Actually, I think S. MacManus was Dave Brock's girlfriend/wife at the time, so that this name is an analagous situation to the use of L. Steele (now Linda Moorcock) on Arrival in Utopia, in place of MM himself. I seem to remember once that I heard that Brock's SO passed away...would this have been the same person? Keith H. (FAA) P.S. The 7" I have of Silver Machine/7 x 7 is a picture disc with the Doremi shield on one side, and the Warrior cover on the other...is this the same one you are all talking about? Because I thought the pic disc single came out long after 1972...could be wrong. >obCD: Egg, _Egg_ I concur... From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 9 12:05:44 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:05:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Single In-Reply-To: <334BB82F.6656@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: In article <334BB82F.6656 at student.uq.edu.au>, Max Wilcox writes > But here's a thing - looking at the song credits:- > > Silver Machine: Bob Calvert - S. MacManus > Seven By Seven: S. MacManus > > Who in hell's S. MacManus? Is this a pseudonym for someone else? Or is >this a mistake? Sounds a bit funny to me... Can this be anyone other than Dave Brock? I remember reading somewhere that he was having troubles over royalties at some point and used a pseudonym - could this be that incident? -- Mark Edmonds From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Apr 9 13:32:10 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:32:10 -0400 Subject: HW: Jerry Richards/Halibut God Message-ID: Hi Folks... There recently was a little discussion about where Mr. Richards came from, but I would still like to know a bit more about him. Somebody mentioned that he was in Tubilah Dog, but since he is (apparently) a multi-instrumentalist, what instrument did he play in the band, and was he also the singer?? What little I know of Tubilah Dog (which is next to nothing) comes from the Traveller's Aid Trust (T.A.T.) disc, where two of their songs are featured (Safe Zone, and Making Love on the Telephone (I think)). The former is a very fine track IMHO, and a year or so ago when I made a compilation tape for a dozen or so boc-lers, this song was on it. So even if you don't have T.A.T. (I guess it's hard to find these days), some of you at least have heard Mr. Richards (assuming he actually appears on those tracks). (Note that Bridgett Wishart is on T.A.T. as well, as part of the Hippy Slags - there's a photo of her in the booklet. Furthermore, Richard Chadwick's SO was in that band as well...presumably, she is the one with the kidney problems at present.) To continue, a year or so ago, someone mentioned that Tubilah Dog had actually released an album (long overdue). I think maybe it was Scott H. who said he had gotten it. (If true, would you e-mail me please (Henderson.120 at osu.edu) as I'd like to trade for a tape of this.) I'm guessing now though that the band is defunct, especially if Mr. Richards is to become a full-time HW member. Can anybody enlighten me more about the newest (full-time) Hawk? Thanks....Keith H. (FAA) P.S. So, when are we going to have a discussion about the long-term future of HW? Such as...will/can the band continue past the inevitable end of Brock's involvement? Or would there be any point in trying? Perhaps the end of the millenium should mark the end of the journey...(Final tour: 2001: In Search of Space Odyssey)? ObCD: Magma -- Attahk From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Apr 9 13:52:17 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:52:17 -0500 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Single Message-ID: Regarding the Silver Machine/ 7X7 original 7" single.... yes, S. MacManus is a pseudonym Dave Brock used to insure that the label would actually pay up. He'd found that he was being bilked out of royalties and so tricked the label so that they'd feel obligated to pay this Macmanus person who'd supposedly written the song. After collecting most of the procedes, he told the label that Macmanus was really Brock, and naturally the label was pissed that they had actually paid the money. Isn't corruption in the music industry wonderful? Also... can anybody state authoritatively what the distinguishing characteristics of the original Silver Machine single might be? I have what is supposed to be an original pressing, but I don't know for sure.... It has the monkey looking through the gears on the front cover and lyrics to 7X7 on the back. There was mention of a gatefold on the original....?!!??? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed Apr 9 14:06:35 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:06:35 -0700 Subject: HW- HW 2001 Message-ID: > have a discussion about the long-term future of HW? Such as...will/can the band continue past the inevitable end of Brock's involvement? When this unlikely event occurs, Dave should be able to upload himself into a silicon chip and continue forever more. or as recent headlines suggest: ...floating in a vat of fluid dark lies the future. A being replicated through gene splicing. It lies, waiting, learning... From torgo at NORWICH.NET Wed Apr 9 15:35:58 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:35:58 -0400 Subject: Brain: Auburn Gig Message-ID: John S said: >>Billy Hilfiger offered up an >impromptu performance of BOC's "Last days of May", with the audience >singing along with him. > >Very interesting - care to elaborate? Was it just Billy up there playing? >Did anyone else sing, or just the crowd? It was a cool unplanned moment. The band had just wrapped up its 35th song, so I imagine they were pretty hosed. The crowd would not let them leave. A woman in hospital scrubs started up a chant of "one more song" and we all wanted more (I could have sat there until they did the entire collection). Al had already left his seat and the band was saying their goodbyes. Billy just started playing and singing (pretty good voice I might add) "Last Days" and the crowd seemed to know the words (even the locals) and we all joined in. He did just the first verse, but it was a cool moment for sure. > And what >BOC fan can argue with closing the set with "Cities on Flame" - did they >do the "Night of the 1,000 Guitars" bit at the end (with tBS version of >"the 5 Guitars")? AL sang one verse in English and the next in Spanish, which was cool. They did elaborate on the original song a bit, but not too much of 1,000 guitars made it into this version. Rocked though. As for the review John, it is public domain. Take it, use it, cut it, paste it, mock it, whatever. I sent a copy to Al already, and I was kinda hoping it WOULD find its way onto the web site. Take it and run my man. Also, its funny what live shows do to me. I like all of BoH but the one song that always thrilled me the least was "operation Luv". Its a smoker, sure, but I never fully got my teeth into it. Ever since I heard it saturday live, I can't get it out of my head, and the volume has been creeping towards the 11 mark when I play it. :^D One other show note, Peter opened my BoH sleeve that I was having him sign and asked me WHO his inside picture looked like. I replied (for a bit of fun) that it looked to me like Nigel Tufnel, which he chuckled at. He says it looks too much like Eddie Money. Gotta agree with him. Peter has a very wonky sense of humor, and he had me cracking up a few times. Cool bunch the Surgeons, every one of them. I'm outta here... Torgo has left the Building........... torgo at norwich.net ******************************************************************* "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!! Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as fear, surpirse, ruthless efficiency, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms." ******************************************************************* From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 9 22:25:45 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:25:45 BST Subject: HW: Silver Machine Single In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:57:20 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > Whilst we are on the subject of singles, does the Dave Brock picture > disc with "Raping Robots in the Street" have any value? Yep - but it's not a huge value (sorry Dave!) - not as much as you would have to pay for a Moorcock single for example. I've seen it recently selling for between 8 and 12 pounds (UK). > Also, does > anyone here actually have a copy of that Sonic Attack single which I > think came in a cloth bag? Yep 8-) Found it while browsing in a tiny second hand record fair in a Scout shed in SW London that I had gone to just becos I was bored and had nothing better to do until my train left for Edinburgh! I'd run out of cash, I didn't have my cheque book with me - and the local Hole In The Wall machine refused to speak to me so I had to exchange promisary notes and pray that it reached me safely in the post. It did! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 9 23:02:51 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:02:51 BST Subject: HW: Silver Machine Single variations In-Reply-To: John Majka's message of Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:52:17 -0500 Message-ID: If anyone gets to the end of this and is still interested (?) you'd better keep this mail safe somewhere - I don't plan on re-doing it! John Majka writes: > > Also... can anybody state authoritatively what the distinguishing > characteristics of the original Silver Machine single might be? I have what > is supposed to be an original pressing, but I don't know for sure.... It > has the monkey looking through the gears on the front cover and lyrics to > 7X7 on the back. There was mention of a gatefold on the original....?!!??? There are two versions of Silver Machine in gatefold covers but these were produced as a double set in America and Germany. The US double 7" set comprises Hurry on Sundown/Master of the Universe and Silver Machine/Orgone Accumulator and was issued to promote their American tour in 1973. The cover is the white Doremi logo on a black background on both sleeves. The German double set comprises Silver Machine/Seven by Seven and Lord of Light/Born to Go. The sleeve is a green background with pale green and white writing. The inner fold is a photo of the band looking ummmmm ...spaced? The original UK 7" is the Monkey cover as above. The important thing to check tho' is the lettering round the run-off groove on both sides of the disc. Most of them will have the letters A-1U on the A side and B-1U on the B side. It was however reissued with slight changes to the intro and these have A-2. I think there is also a B-2 around as well. These are extraordinarily difficult to find and probably worth nothing at all except to fanatical Kollectors but it's worth checking each Silver Machine 7" you come across. Later there was a plain sleeve release (also A1 and B1) and in 1978 it was reissued in a white sleve with black Doremi logo. The run-off groove numbers are now A3 and B3. There are Dutch, German and Israeli versions with different covers and then the 1983 reissue with a black sleeve background and white Doremi logo. The run-off groove reads 4A and 4B and there's a plain sleeve version of this too. The 7" pic disc has the silver Doremi logo on one side of the disc and the Warrior album cover pic on the other. Some versions of this pic disc play the Beatles on one side instead of Hawkwind! The above are all Silver Machine/Seven by Seven After that came Silver Machine/Psychedelic Warlords; Silver Machine/ Magnu and Silver Machine/Urban Guerilla. ok - you can all go back to reading 'High Fidelity' now 8-) jill obgroupDefinitelyInNeedOfReissue> Neu ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Apr 9 20:09:45 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:09:45 -0400 Subject: OFF: Neu In-Reply-To: <9704092302.aa02743@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, J Strobridge wrote: > obgroupDefinitelyInNeedOfReissue> Neu Speaking of Neu, my local shop has a copy of _Neu 2_ on CD in their Psyche section. Is this any good? I've seen at least two other Neu CDs advertised in mail order outlets. I remember someone on here saying they bought a Neu album and it was fairly lousy, whereupon someone explained that they'd bought the "wrong" Neu album (i.e. later material which was... different). My interest in Neu was piqued by the fact that Dave Brock was a big fan. Didn't he write the liner notes to one of their albums? Also, whilst I'm at it, does anyone have any opinions on these other outfits thronging my local psyche section: Faust Skullflower Can Magic Hour Ghost Bardo Pond Any recommendations for starting points? Titles to avoid?? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Steve Hillage, _BBC Radio 1 Live in Concert_ From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Apr 9 20:36:14 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:36:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: Neu Message-ID: At 08:09 PM 4/9/97 -0400, you wrote: >On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, J Strobridge wrote: > >> obgroupDefinitelyInNeedOfReissue> Neu > >Speaking of Neu, my local shop has a copy of _Neu 2_ on CD in their Psyche >section. Is this any good? I've seen at least two other Neu CDs >advertised in mail order outlets. I remember someone on here saying they >bought a Neu album and it was fairly lousy, whereupon someone explained >that they'd bought the "wrong" Neu album (i.e. later material which was... >different). My interest in Neu was piqued by the fact that Dave Brock was >a big fan. Didn't he write the liner notes to one of their albums? Well, "Neu 2" is the one to avoid. The first album, "Neu" and the third album "Neu 75" are both fantastic however. "Neu 2" has a great deal of filler material of the most irritating sort, such as the same song at 16 speed and at 78 speed, or played from a crappy tape player with random rewinding and fast forwarding and other stuff. If you like Neu a bit, you're likely to enjoy Stereolab, who sound almost identical to Neu except much more refined and (IMHO) much better, with beautiful female vocals in the style of Cocteau Twins or Lush. Try "Refried Ectoplasm" or maybe the EP titled "Space Age Bachelor Pad Music". Once you're hooked with these two, try "Mars Audiac Quintet" and the rest of their stuff. >Also, whilst I'm at it, does anyone have any opinions on these other >outfits thronging my local psyche section: > Can Can is like the blueprint for a whole style of music. It's generally long, rambling improvised stuff with superior quality drumming (the other instruments are certainly quite good too). The best albums are the early ones: Tago Mago, Ege Bamyasi, Soundtracks, Future Days. Monster Movie (the first one) is good too, but just not as good as the others I've mentioned. The band has a definite interest in ethnic musics and as time went on, they became less improvisational/psychedelic and more funky/worldbeat. I won't say the last few albums suck, but they're just not as much fun as the early stuff. > Bardo Pond Bardo Pond sounds like early Hawkwind jammed-out songs, sort of like the first side of In Search Of Space. I recommend "Amanita" John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed Apr 9 20:01:37 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:01:37 EDT Subject: Embarrassed? Message-ID: As long as they're >playing, I'll be going to their shows." > >Thats how professionals handle these situations. Its Syracuse's loss. >Maybe a less experienced band does what you describe but I can't >imagine >a veteran act doing this. Do you get paid if you don't play? Veteran band or not, my band is paid more when there are more people. This is because we usually get a cut from the cover charge. So, to put it bluntly, my band wouldn't play in front of five people, because we'd make about a dollar. From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed Apr 9 20:01:37 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:01:37 EDT Subject: HW in Ann Arbor Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:20:11 GMT+0100 Carl Edlund Anderson writes: >On tis 8 apr 1997 17.34 "Ian R Fines" wrote: >> Yeah, the store is Sprockets, and they have exclusive US rights to >the >> Ozrics. > > What does exclusive US rights to the Ozrics mean? It's not like >they're the only place in the US that sells Ozrics discs! yes...but they're the only one's that distribute and sell numerous Ozric items that you aren't going to get anywhere else in the states (shirts, posters, hats, etc). So, basically and simply put, they have direct contact with the band and it's management. Why else would the band have opened it's spring '94 tour in Wyandotte, of all places? From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Wed Apr 9 22:25:58 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:25:58 -0400 Subject: HW in Ann Arbor Message-ID: > yes...but [Sprockets] the only one's that distribute and sell numerous Ozric > items that you aren't going to get anywhere else in the states (shirts, > posters, hats, etc). I saw the Sprockets guy, the "world's greatest Ozrics fan", at a record show recently, and he mentioned that he has closed the store. Now he does shows, mailorder, and http://www.sprockets.com/ . From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Thu Apr 10 03:51:06 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:51:06 +0100 Subject: HW in Ann Arbor Message-ID: What is an Ozric hat? Mike P ---------- From: Ian R Fines[SMTP:ianfines at JUNO.COM] Sent: 10 April 1997 01:01 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW in Ann Arbor On Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:20:11 GMT+0100 Carl Edlund Anderson writes: >On tis 8 apr 1997 17.34 "Ian R Fines" wrote: >> Yeah, the store is Sprockets, and they have exclusive US rights to >the >> Ozrics. > > What does exclusive US rights to the Ozrics mean? It's not like >they're the only place in the US that sells Ozrics discs! yes...but they're the only one's that distribute and sell numerous Ozric items that you aren't going to get anywhere else in the states (shirts, posters, hats, etc). So, basically and simply put, they have direct contact with the band and it's management. Why else would the band have opened it's spring '94 tour in Wyandotte, of all places? From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 10 05:39:35 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:39:35 +0100 Subject: HW in Ann Arbor In-Reply-To: <01BC458C.54E40960@agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com> Message-ID: In message <01BC458C.54E40960 at agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com>, Mike Parkington writes >What is an Ozric hat? > >Mike P A bit like an octopus you wear on your head, probably. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 10 05:04:26 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:04:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Single In-Reply-To: <9704092225.aa00331@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9704092225.aa00331 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >Yep 8-) Found it while browsing in a tiny second hand record fair in >a Scout shed in SW London that I had gone to just becos I was bored and >had nothing better to do until my train left for Edinburgh! I'd run >out of cash, I didn't have my cheque book with me - and the local Hole >In The Wall machine refused to speak to me so I had to exchange >promisary notes and pray that it reached me safely in the post. >It did! > >jill Amazing. May I politely ask how much this grail-like object cost you? -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 10 05:02:33 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:02:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Future Generations In-Reply-To: <199704091732.NAA29684@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In message <199704091732.NAA29684 at mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu>, Keith Henderson writes >P.S. So, when are we going to have a discussion about the long-term future >of HW? Such as...will/can the band continue past the inevitable end of >Brock's involvement? Dave isn't involved in Hawkwind, Dave *is* Hawkwind. I'm sure, therefore that HW will continue until Dave no longer feels like making music. (Maybe another 20-30 years!) At some stage I guess the tours will become increasingly infrequent but again if the guy feels like it, it'll happen. Hey, I'll be there...! Whether the band could continue without Dave is pretty abstract, because without Dave it's what, Jerry, Rich and Ron. No disrespect to the guys but no Brock and it's not Hawkwind, it's one of the many fine Friends and Relations, that have already been around for years. Without Dave, I reckon Nik's SR would (finally) be nearer the mark. BTW You have heard Captured Rotation, haven't you? -- Jon Browne ObCD - The new Chemical Brothers - Dig Your Own Hole. Fan-f*cking-TASTIC!!!!! Stupendous! Headflop!!! From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 10 05:41:44 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:41:44 +0100 Subject: OFF : High Fidelity In-Reply-To: <9704092302.aa02743@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9704092302.aa02743 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >ok - you can all go back to reading 'High Fidelity' now 8-) > >jill Read it a couple of months ago. Can't say I recommend it. I found it a bit depressing really, and I disliked the attitude that collectors/enthusiasts are that immersed in records/comics/ trains/whatever because of an inability to function on a normal social level. I actually think it's a bit sad that no-one goes trainspotting anymore because of the social stigma attached to it. Enthusiasts in a very real way catalog and preserve our culture for the future and I honestly think it's pretty disgusting the way innocent passions are derided. Not that "High Fidelity" is *that* down on collectors, I'm digressing a bit, but it's not entirely innocent of that either and it's hardly a celebration of the joys of finding Sun or BlueBeat originals but rather it's saying that if you find *that* much pleasure in (in this case) records rather than OTHER PEOPLE then there's something wrong with you. A position I don't agree with. Sorry. BTW I have a lovely wife and two kids, an annoyingly full life and make no apologies for not going out much anymore. -- Jon Browne From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Apr 10 09:10:13 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:10:13 -0600 Subject: The Wheel/Embarrassed Message-ID: > >> Does anyone else find it as disheartening as I that the band can only >> scrape together ten songs after this many years? > >JS>"Well, their two most prolific songwriters are gone. To 3OC's credit >though, many have been impressed with the songs that they have managed to scrape together. Now, if they can just release them . . ." Agreed. Always liked Harvest Moon, See You in Black. Now,Live 4 Me is classic Buck and X-rays Eyes sounded crunchy when I heard it. In the end does it matter if its 10 songs or 15? As long as they are quality >productions I don't think I'll care much. > > >Theo notes: > >>How 'bout Buck? Maybe Al and Sandy And Meltzer wrote a lot of >lyrics, but BD wrote all those killer riffs [or most of them >anyway]... > JS>"Well, no offense meant to Buck -- I like many of his contributions. >My point was that Al and Joe were the most prolific song-writers -- and >BTW, I believe that Al wrote many of BOC's killer riffs (not trying to >debate as to who wrote more). Also, Buck has written a lot of material >that is more pop-oriented and less in the BOC vein (again, I think he's >written some great stuff, don't get me wrong). But, perhaps when it >comes to crafting words and lyrics into a song, BOC's current line-up is not as prolific without the Bouchards." That point is a given JS. The team effort left when the brothers left. I wonder if Danny had a hand in crafting or perhaps finisihing the songs. Don't know much about Danny before joining BOC but he seems to be a pretty complete player. Not a bad singer either when they let him >near a mike. > > >>Thats how professionals handle these situations. Its Syracuse's loss. >>Maybe a less experienced band does what you describe but I can't >>imagine a veteran act doing this. Do you get paid if you don't play? > >From: Ian R Fines >"Veteran band or not, my band is paid more when there >are more people. This is because we usually get a cut from the cover charge. >So, to put it bluntly, my band wouldn't play in front of five people, because >we'd make about a dollar." > Sounds like a tough way to make a living. I imagine name bands like BOC get a guarunteed minimumsto perform. In that case you either play the gig or don't get paid. L8er lil' ab "Subjugating the enemy's army without fighting is the true pinnacle of excellence. Thus the highest realization of warfare is to attack the enemy's plans." The Art of War - Sun Tzu From corwin at ROPNET.RU Thu Apr 10 11:05:30 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:05:30 +0400 Subject: HW: Future Generations Message-ID: Yes. Brock is Hawkwind and Hawkwind is Brock. I don't think that Brock will lose his creativity or he will decide to end Hawkwind so it will exist. It will end only with the death of Dave Brock. Corwin From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 10 16:44:13 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:44:13 BST Subject: HW: Silver Machine Single In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:04:26 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In message <9704092225.aa00331 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge > writes > >Yep 8-) Found it while browsing in a tiny second hand record fair in > > Amazing. May I politely ask how much this grail-like object cost you? > Well I'll whisper it very quietly if you promise not to tell anyone else 8-) Ninety quid - after I'd wrung my hands, looked desperate and as helplessly female as I could manage under the circumstances, all the while trying to hide my DESIRE. They'd wanted 100+ which was the going market price at the time but I got the impression they'd had it on their hands for quite a while and were quite pleased to get rid of it. So everyone was satisfied in the end! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Apr 10 11:56:00 1997 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:56:00 EDT Subject: OFF: Rundgren rewls Message-ID: >The double album _Todd_ one of my favs, with >the song Number One lowest Denominator just sends me off into space... >The only time I saw Utopia he climbed to the top of a 20 foot pyramid >made of metal bars while playing his guitar. I've seen Todd live many times. Caught the tour for the Todd double and they did a "King Kong Reggae" that would bring "Godzilla" to its knees, not on its feet. Also caught the tour for the 1st Utopia with the pyramid. I think a lot of his stuff is pretty psycheledic, especially A WIZARD, A TRUE STAR. How about "In and Out of the Chakras" and "Heavy Metal Kid" for the HW and BOC fans respectively? Rudy From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 10 17:04:04 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:04:04 BST Subject: OFF: Neu In-Reply-To: John Majka's message of Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:36:14 -0500 Message-ID: > Paul Mather wrote: > >Speaking of Neu, my local shop has a copy of _Neu 2_ on CD in their Psyche > >section. Is this any good? I've seen at least two other Neu CDs > >advertised in mail order outlets. I remember someone on here saying they > >bought a Neu album and it was fairly lousy, whereupon someone explained > >that they'd bought the "wrong" Neu album (i.e. later material which was... > >different). My interest in Neu was piqued by the fact that Dave Brock was > >a big fan. Didn't he write the liner notes to one of their albums? He wrote the notes to the first Neu album. John Majka writes: > Well, "Neu 2" is the one to avoid. The first album, "Neu" and the third > album "Neu 75" are both fantastic however. "Neu 2" has a great deal of Ah - thank you - that's useful. I seem to have a composite issued on Cherry Red entitled "Neu! Black Forest Gateau" which has tracks from albums 1 and 3 and the feel of some tracks is astonishingly close to Brock's first Hawkwind line up as well as subsequent ones. In fact one of the surprises was a track called "Negativland" from Neu! 75 which is a dead ringer for Valium 10 - except that the track starts with a road drill rather than a dentist's drill! There's a history on the back which explains that when they recorded Neu! 2 the first side took longer and was more expensive than they'd budgeted for and consequently the second side was somewhat rushed and consisted of the A and B sides of their single "Super"/"Neuschness" played at different speeds. "Was this" asks the reviewer, David Elliott "a profound artistic statement or simply a rather blatant joke? I'm inclined to think the latter". I'd guess he's being charitable! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 10 12:10:16 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:10:16 -0400 Subject: HW: Future Generations Message-ID: >Yes. Brock is Hawkwind and Hawkwind is Brock. I don't think that Brock >will lose his creativity or he will decide to end Hawkwind so it will >exist. It will end only with the death of Dave Brock. Speaking of which, I think hawkfans worldwide should start saving and raising money to place Dave in Cyrogenic suspension when that day finally comes. I can't think of anyone else more deserving to be unfrozen and revived sometime in the future.... and he can then cause the fall of earth city. +----------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Baron Roger Shrubstaff of the Amtgard Barony of Silverwater| (Kingdom of the Burning Lands), aka | Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +---------------------------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Apr 10 12:14:52 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:14:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Chemical Bro's / The ORB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > ObCD - The new Chemical Brothers - Dig Your Own Hole. > Fan-f*cking-TASTIC!!!!! Stupendous! Headflop!!! Question: Some friends and I will be going to the Chem.Bros / ORB concert at the Bomb Factory on the 24th. Now, I have most of the ORB material, but how do the Chem.Bros compare, if at all? What are they like in general? Thanks, Damon From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 10 13:06:35 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:06:35 EDT Subject: OFF: Rundgren rewls Message-ID: > From: "Rudich, Robert A" > > I've seen Todd live many times. Caught the tour for the Todd double and > they did a "King Kong Reggae" that would bring "Godzilla" to its knees, not > on its feet. Also caught the tour for the 1st Utopia with the pyramid. I > think a lot of his stuff is pretty psycheledic, especially A WIZARD, A TRUE > STAR. How about "In and Out of the Chakras" and "Heavy Metal Kid" for the > HW and BOC fans respectively? > > Rudy Was the pyramid set for the 'Ra' tour? I saw the pyramid show, and at the show's climax, Todd did a flip off the top of the pyramid, and he was hooked up to a harness, and was lowered to the floor slowly, after the crowd was sure he'd break his neck. He played guitar all through the stunt, never missing a note. He's a great guitarist, songwriter and innovator. What's he doing nowadays? theo From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Apr 10 14:04:51 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:04:51 +1000 Subject: HW: Future Generations Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > Speaking of which, I think hawkfans worldwide should start saving and > raising money to place Dave in Cyrogenic suspension when that day > finally comes. > > I can't think of anyone else more deserving to be unfrozen and revived > sometime in the future.... and he can then cause the fall of earth city. No disrespect to all involved, of course, but I really think that we've missed our chance - with one R. Calvert. It would take a highly evolved species to truly appreciate his works (present company excepted...) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Apr 10 14:06:54 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:06:54 +1000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Dragons... Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > +----------------------------------------------------------+ > Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | > Baron Roger Shrubstaff of the Amtgard Barony of Silverwater| > (Kingdom of the Burning Lands), aka | > Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | > +---------------------------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ > "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random I see you are a Dragon - have you noticed all the Hawkwind references in the Ultima series? <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Apr 10 14:24:29 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:24:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: Rundgren rewls Message-ID: TR (as he calls himself now) is very active in the interactive audio world. His last CD was called TR-I (for Todd Rundgren Interactive) was a CD-ROM that allowed you to put together your own personalized version of his last regular release, which was No World Order. His last tour was a solo gig, where he ensconced himself in a cube of synths and Apple Powerbooks (don't know if he played the guitar or not) and was right down in the crowd, so there may have been some inter-action on their part. Haven't bought anything by him in a long time (last purchase was Nearly Human, which was OK). I think that the best release that Rundgren ever guested on was the Hall & Oates (!!!!) War Babies. That was probably the most progressive release they ever did... obCDPlayer: Tim Blake / New Jerusalem Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Ted Jackson jr. EL84[SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 1997 1:06 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: Rundgren rewls > From: "Rudich, Robert A" > > I've seen Todd live many times. Caught the tour for the Todd double and > they did a "King Kong Reggae" that would bring "Godzilla" to its knees, not > on its feet. Also caught the tour for the 1st Utopia with the pyramid. I > think a lot of his stuff is pretty psycheledic, especially A WIZARD, A TRUE > STAR. How about "In and Out of the Chakras" and "Heavy Metal Kid" for the > HW and BOC fans respectively? > > Rudy Was the pyramid set for the 'Ra' tour? I saw the pyramid show, and at the show's climax, Todd did a flip off the top of the pyramid, and he was hooked up to a harness, and was lowered to the floor slowly, after the crowd was sure he'd break his neck. He played guitar all through the stunt, never missing a note. He's a great guitarist, songwriter and innovator. What's he doing nowadays? theo -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Baron Roger Shrubstaff of the Amtgard Barony of Silverwater| (Kingdom of the Burning Lands), aka | Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +---------------------------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Apr 10 15:31:15 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:31:15 -0600 Subject: Taping Policies Message-ID: Just curious, does BOC have an official policy on taping their gigs? How about Hawkwind? There seems to be a lot of recordings out there for these guys so I assume they don't mind people taping the gigs. Anybody know? L8er lil' ab "Subjugating the enemy's army without fighting is the true pinnacle of excellence. Thus the highest realization of warfare is to attack the enemy's plans." The Art of War - Sun Tzu Hair Band song of the Day - Rock Me by Great White From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Apr 10 15:56:49 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:56:49 -0400 Subject: Taping Policies Message-ID: > Just curious, does BOC have an official policy on taping their gigs? > How about Hawkwind? There seems to be a lot of recordings out there for > these guys so I assume they don't mind people taping the gigs. don't know about BOC, but ive never seen anyone recording them who wasn't trying to hide it. hawkwind is a definite no, althought nik turner encourages it. let's see... BOC- no (probably)- Spinoff- YES. Hawkwind-no - Spinoff- YES. Not to imply that the brain srgns or nik don't hold their own. seems to be a pattern.... rkj From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu Apr 10 16:14:19 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:14:19 -0700 Subject: Taping Policies Message-ID: >From a conversation with Dave Brock,I don't think HW encourage's taping. Like, I don't think you'll find a tapers area at a HW gig. Standard Stealth rules apply. dane ObCD: In the Court of the Crimson King ObSoftware: quark xpress From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 10 16:20:48 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:20:48 -0400 Subject: Taping Policies Message-ID: I doubt BOC has ever had a taping policy one way or another. Hey, the head of their fanclub has the largest collection of BOC live tapes in existence... John From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Thu Apr 10 17:01:57 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:01:57 -0600 Subject: Taping Policies -Reply Message-ID: >>> John A Swartz 04/10/97 02:20pm >>> I doubt BOC has ever had a taping policy one way or another. Hey, the head of their fanclub has the largest collection of BOC live tapes in existence... John >>>>>>> So who do we ask. I think it would be great to have some live tapes of the band and the tunes they are playing now. I like collecting live tapes and I think it's cool that Al and the Surgeons don't mind. It's a great way to enjoy the music. I hope that Eric, Al, and Buck don't mind...... Maybe you could ask that on Tuesday, John? Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Thu Apr 10 16:59:49 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:59:49 EDT Subject: HW: _California Brainstorm_ at last Message-ID: I just got _California Brainstorm_ (on Iloki) on CD, thus completing my collection of "Ken Alexander's Top Four Live Hawkdisks" (_Space Ritual_, _Live Chronicles_ (Griffin), _Palace Springs_, and _CB_). _CB_ is quite good, but not quite up to par with the other three, IMO. I think I'd substitute _The Business Trip_ in my list of the top 4. At least I can finally stop kicking myself for not picking up _CB_ when I saw it a few years ago in a bargain bin for $8. I had to pay $12 for it now, though, which is still a good price, I think. I just wanted to tell some people who could appreciate my excitement! MWood NP: _X_ - Klaus Schulze From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu Apr 10 17:45:28 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:45:28 -0700 Subject: HW- _California Brainsto Message-ID: >I just got _California Brainstorm_ This still kills me. I am maybe 4 blocks from the venue, The Omni, right now. The Omni is closed now, as are most on the places HW has played. the Omni was a total dump, a really bad band opened the show, The Bed Bugs. I had my pipe confiscated. They had a piss poor selection of beer. Dave, Alan, Richard, Harvey and Bridget stood at the end of the bar, we all gathered there during the first band, of course I didn't talk to them, I was pissed about my pipe. When HW came on, they were great. Wishart was a suprise, she did some costume stuff, and all the extra vocal tracks are excellent. Plus I did get a nice tape of the show. I was just so suprised to find a Live CD, not bootleg, from the Omni of all places. Live HW: Space Ritual Live 79 Live Chronicles Business Trip worst live: Hawklords Live Dane ObCD: After the Snow-Modern English From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Apr 10 19:34:40 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:34:40 -0600 Subject: BOC: AOL Chat In-Reply-To: <199704091344.JAA25948@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > By the way, for those of you on AOL who didn't know, the BOC chat was > NOT held last night -- AOL scheduled it for next Tuesday (4/15) - I'm > not sure why, as it is always on the 2nd Tuedsay of the month, but > perhaps AOL got messed up by the fact that this April has 5 Tuedsays. > At any rate, the BOC chat is next Tuesday from 10-midnite, EDT. > > John > And they will be here in Albq on the 15th!!!!! Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 10 22:49:33 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:49:33 PDT Subject: HW: various questions Message-ID: Dave Berry replies to Mark Edmonds.... >I can't help you with your other questions. But if there is wow and >flutter on Angels Of Death, I'm glad that I haven't got around to >buying the Sonic Attack CD yet. > >Dave. My CD of Sonic Attack seems to be fine. I haven't noticed any wow or flutter. Has anybody else noticed what Mark is asking about? Mark: What part of the song exhibits the worst effects? I listened by headphones too and I couldn't find anything on mine. Dave: I recommend the Sonic Attack CD. With Griffin's demise, it may be hard to come by in the future. Are you a vinyl purist? I prefer the digital and durable CD. Bryan ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young or School's email: -------------------------------------------------------------------- My Hawkwind Home Page, recently updated, is at http://www.geocities.com/Area51 -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Fri Apr 11 00:37:05 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:37:05 E Subject: OFF: Chemical Bro's / The ORB Message-ID: To my knowledge the chemical bro's have few releases -Exit Planet dust (the used to be called the dust brothers) -Loops of fury -Setting Sun (or whatever the name is w/ the guy from Oasis) -and the new one very dub/dance oriented but there is some really good stuff peace, bryan From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri Apr 11 01:38:04 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:38:04 -0400 Subject: Taping Policies Message-ID: In the "Mirrors" press conference (which you can find on tape!) the band fielded that question and the general thrust was that they couldn't care less. Tapers being discreet at BOC shows is probably more of a venue-oriented caution. To use a local example, Slim's in S.F. has a no-taping, no camera policy, which from their point of view is probably reasonable since they don't have to change the policy with each band that passes through. But can you really imagine somebody from the BOC crew trying to stop a taper? B.O.C. has never cared about cameras either, as long as there is no flash. I've brought in a camera to Slim's maybe 3 times, got it confiscated at the door once several years back. After I was in I approached a guy I had seen at all of the area shows, loaded with badges, passes etc. I assumed he was the road manager. Asked him if would intervene to get the camera in, five minutes later he was back with some honcho who okayed it with the muscle at the door. I found out later the guy was Che... And for all the trash talked about Steve Schenck here--which might all be true, I don't know the first thing about the guy--he got my camera back and gave me a press pass at the Ritz in NYC during the Imaginos tour, after I'd taken the train down from Boston after seeing them up there a few days previously. I think that a lot of times the bands that get most antsy about amateur recordings are the ones that have the most to hide about the quality of their live shows. When I think of bands notorious for fucking with tapers I think of Zeppelin and G'n'R. From alasdair.macdonald at VIRGIN.NET Thu Apr 10 18:48:38 1997 From: alasdair.macdonald at VIRGIN.NET (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:48:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Single Message-ID: Max Wilcox wrote: > ... > But here's a thing - looking at the song credits:- > > Silver Machine: Bob Calvert - S. MacManus > Seven By Seven: S. MacManus > > Who in hell's S. MacManus? Is this a pseudonym for someone else? Or is > this a mistake? Sounds a bit funny to me... S MacManus was Dave's wife Shiela who died approx early 1983. Not sure why the tunes were credited to her though. This is my first posting so hello to all to HW (and BOC) fans. Good to read all your US enthusiam for Hawkwind; I'm a UK fan who has been lucky enough to see them nearly 50 times over the past 17 years. Then I got into the Dead and I was lucky enough to see them (in England, France and Germany). But I always really wanted my tape trading Dead Head buddies to get the chance to see Hawkwind, and love them too. Finally, just when HW hit their highest peak - with Richard Chadwick - they began to make more foreign trips. I got to see them in Holland too! I expect you have seen the October 97 UK tour dates, I don't know how long ago they were posted (at the official HW WWW site); I'm quite new to all this cyber stuff. Norwich and Cambridge (8th & 9th Oct) are my local gigs; a few gaps in there so let's hope there's more to come. I know it's a long time ahead but I'll let you know how the gigs go. Alasdair. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 10 12:26:52 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:26:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: <9704101644.aa16579@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9704101644.aa16579 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >Ninety quid - after I'd wrung my hands, looked desperate and as >helplessly female as I could manage under the circumstances, all the >while trying to hide my DESIRE. They'd wanted 100+ which was the going >market price at the time but I got the impression they'd had it on their >hands for quite a while and were quite pleased to get rid of it. So >everyone was satisfied in the end! > >jill > Crumbs! I kind of got the impression from the story that you got it for a song (as opposed to a spoken word piece over an instrumental!) Guide Price still is 100+ though, isn't it? I wonder how many change hands these days, to establish a price. I've never even seen one. As much as I want one of *everything*, I think I'd balk at that. (I can say that now, but if I saw one.....!) Just out of interest, who out there would pay 100UKP for this rarest of all HW singles, given a once-only opportunity? -- Jon Browne From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Apr 11 05:06:25 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:06:25 UT Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag Message-ID: >Just out of interest, who out there would pay 100UKP for this rarest of >all HW singles, given a once-only opportunity? Not me - but then I didn't pay 25 quid for the Portuguese pic-sleeve "Urban Guerrilla" they had in Reckless Records a while ago either! As a penniless student, I coughed up the tenner that was the asking price for _Greasy Truckers Party_ - but the 25 they wanted for _Glastonbury Fayre_ (with pyramid!) was just too much. (Remember, this was when you still got change from a oncer for three pints of Paine's at Emma bar. :) - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Apr 11 05:43:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:43:00 +0100 Subject: HW: _California Brainstorm_ at last In-Reply-To: Marshall Wood's mail of Thu, 10 Apr 97 16:59 -0600 Message-ID: On 10 Apr 23:59, Marshall Wood wrote: > I just got _California Brainstorm_ (on Iloki) on CD, thus > completing my collection of "Ken Alexander's Top Four Live > Hawkdisks" (_Space Ritual_, _Live Chronicles_ (Griffin), > _Palace Springs_, and _CB_). > > _CB_ is quite good, but not quite up to par with the other > three, IMO. I think I'd substitute _The Business Trip_ in > my list of the top 4. Have you heard _Love In Space_ yet? Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Fri Apr 11 07:29:48 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:29:48 EDT Subject: HW: _California Brainstorm_ at last In-Reply-To: <199704110943.KAA02956@cepheus.ed.harlequin.co.uk>; from "Dave Berry" at Apr 11, 97 10:43 am Message-ID: >On 10 Apr 23:59, Marshall Wood wrote: >> (_Space Ritual_, _Live Chronicles_ (Griffin), >> _Palace Springs_, and _CB_). >> I think I'd substitute _The Business Trip_ >Have you heard _Love In Space_ yet? Yes, I've got that one, too. It's very good, but I think that it could have been fantastic if they had cut it down to a single CD. There are a few cuts on there that I could do without (Silver Machine, Death Trap). But I really enjoy everything from "Alien I Am" to "Elfin." I'm eager to heard the studio versions of some of those songs from _Alien 4_, which I have on hold at my favorite mail order outlet... MWood NP: _Last Autumn's Dream_ - Jade Warrior From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Apr 11 07:21:04 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 21:21:04 +1000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Single In-Reply-To: <199704091714.NAA27953@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On 9 Apr 97 at 13:14, Keith Henderson wrote: > P.S. The 7" I have of Silver Machine/7 x 7 is a picture disc with the > Doremi shield on one side, and the Warrior cover on the other...is this the > same one you are all talking about? Because I thought the pic disc single > came out long after 1972...could be wrong. Well, I picke dthat one up in a bargain bin 10 years ago for $1 (yay!) ... According to my well-thumbed codex/discography, it was released in 1983 Sonique (who *sometimes* does find HW 7" vinyl down under) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Apr 11 07:23:32 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 21:23:32 +1000 Subject: OFF: Neu In-Reply-To: <9704101704.aa20415@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On 10 Apr 97 at 17:04, J Strobridge wrote: > Ah - thank you - that's useful. I seem to have a composite issued on > Cherry Red entitled "Neu! Black Forest Gateau" which has tracks from > albums 1 and 3 and .... I saw a (bootlegged?) CD a week or so back which had all three Neu titles on the one 2CD set at the bargain price of $A75 (that's 37 pounds or 60 USD folks). I dunno if it's available anywhere else or what the label is, but I can find out Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Apr 11 10:54:00 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:54:00 +1000 Subject: HW: Info on THE Dave from 69 Message-ID: Hi All, Rob Godwin (he of Griffin) asked me to pass this on .... Sonique ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:50:25 -0700 From: Robert Godwin Reply-to: cgp at icom.ca Organization: CG Publishing Inc To: sonique at maxwell.pcmicro.com.au Subject: Hawkwind Hi there, Rob Godwin at Griffin here...do you know who it was that was looking for Hawkwind adverts and concert info a while back??? Just found a curiosity from March 31st 1969 while researching a book (not Hawkwind) Dave Brock and Pete Judd opening for the Groundhogs at the Bluescene in Twickenham. It's one of the earliest things I've seen advertising Brocky. Thought you might like to pass the info onto the BOC list to see if anyone needs it... best Rob -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From ianfines at JUNO.COM Fri Apr 11 13:35:21 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:35:21 EDT Subject: OFF: Zen Guerilla Message-ID: Hello.... Has anyone ever seen or heard this band before? I might see them in a week and am wondering how they sound. Thanks. From ianfines at JUNO.COM Fri Apr 11 13:35:21 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:35:21 EDT Subject: HW in Ann Arbor Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:51:06 +0100 Mike Parkington writes: >What is an Ozric hat? > >Mike P an Ozric hat. From ianfines at JUNO.COM Fri Apr 11 13:35:21 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:35:21 EDT Subject: OFF: Rundgren rewls Message-ID: . I think that the best release that >Rundgren = >ever guested on was the Hall & Oates (!!!!) War Babies. That was = >probably the most progressive release they ever did... > How about the album of Steve Hillage's that Utopia backed him on? What was that called again...was it "Green"? From ianfines at JUNO.COM Fri Apr 11 13:35:21 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:35:21 EDT Subject: HW in Ann Arbor Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:25:58 -0400 Ken Alexander writes: >> yes...but [Sprockets] the only one's that distribute and sell >numerous Ozric >> items that you aren't going to get anywhere else in the states >(shirts, >> posters, hats, etc). > >I saw the Sprockets guy, the "world's greatest Ozrics fan", at a >record show recently, and he mentioned that he has closed the store. >Now he does shows, mailorder, and http://www.sprockets.com/ . That's too bad, since his store was the only prog/space/electronic specialty store I've ever come upon. I do see him at some record shows, though. They also have a webpage...forgot the address. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Apr 11 13:48:50 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 01:48:50 +0800 Subject: OFF: Rundgren rewls Message-ID: Ian R Fines wrote: > > . I think that the best release that > >Rundgren = > >ever guested on was the Hall & Oates (!!!!) War Babies. That was = > >probably the most progressive release they ever did... > > > > How about the album of Steve Hillage's that Utopia backed him on? What > was that called again...was it "Green"? The album was called "L" William From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Apr 11 14:58:28 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:58:28 UT Subject: OFF: The New Christs Message-ID: Some will be interested: Rob Younger (Radio Birdman's) outfit - new album - _Lower Yourself_ and imminent Eurpoean tour! Including the Garage, London, Sat 19th April! And the album is good, raunchy, post-Detroit rock. Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Fri Apr 11 15:27:36 1997 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:27:36 EDT Subject: HW: Levitation cover Message-ID: While reading through Metal Edge magazine, with it's adoration of KISS, and mention of upcoming Slaughter albums :P I found this interesting tidbit... "Amorphis' forthcoming EP will include a cover of Hawkwind's "Levitation"." I don't know who Amorphis is, but they have good taste :) Brian From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Apr 11 15:29:58 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:29:58 -0400 Subject: OFF: Rundgren rewls Message-ID: Yeah, but Rundgren wasn't on "L". Powell, Wilcox and Sultan were, but not Rundgren (just checked my CD to be sure). Hillage played the guitar. So, I stand by my earlier statement about Rundgrens' (not Utopia) best guest appearance was on "War Babies". obHope For The Next Generation: I was playing the new Mark Shreeve Live release "Collide" and my eleven year old son thinks that it "rocks!!" obCDPlayer: Al Stewart / Year Of The Cat Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: William Duffy[SMTP:xl5 at IINET.NET.AU] Sent: Friday, April 11, 1997 1:48 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: Rundgren rewls Ian R Fines wrote: > > . I think that the best release that > >Rundgren = > >ever guested on was the Hall & Oates (!!!!) War Babies. That was = > >probably the most progressive release they ever did... > > > > How about the album of Steve Hillage's that Utopia backed him on? What > was that called again...was it "Green"? The album was called "L" William From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Apr 11 15:42:56 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:42:56 -0400 Subject: Zen Guerilla Message-ID: > Hello.... > Has anyone ever seen or heard this band before? I might see them in a > week and am wondering how they sound. haven't seen them live, but on video, but all i can say is that they are very weird. keep watching, bob lennon will probably talk about them this weekend on this list. rj > Thanks. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Apr 11 15:42:20 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:42:20 -0400 Subject: HW in Ann Arbor Message-ID: Ian sez.... (about Sprockets) That's too bad, since his store was the only prog/space/electronic specialty store I've ever come upon. I do see him at some record shows, though. They also have a webpage...forgot the address. www.sprockets.com I don't have the new phone number, but there is always Of Sound Mind in Savage, MD. And don't forget Ranjit, who provides all of the above, via the net (I forget the "Progtron" home page address). (For those of you Progheads that have a "better half" and are visiting the Washington DC area, plan on taking a side trip to vist the historic Savage Mill. While the wife is perusing the fine craft store type stuff, you can be scoping out the latest in cool music!! ) obCDPlayer: Al Stewart / Year Of The Cat Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Apr 11 16:16:30 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:16:30 -0600 Subject: More Taping Message-ID: More on Taping - >don't know about BOC, but ive never seen anyone recording them who >.wasn't trying to hide it. hawkwind is a definite no, althought nik turner >encourages it. >let's see... >BOC- no (probably)- Spinoff- YES. >Hawkwind-no - Spinoff- YES. >Not to imply that the brain srgns or nik don't hold their own. >seems to be a pattern.... rkj OK so tBS dosen't mind, and Nik dosen't mind either but Brock will break your leg. BOC who knows but Bolle has almost every show. Got it. Does seem strange how this is working out. >>From a conversation with Dave Brock,I don't think HW encourage's taping. >Like, I don't think you'll find a tapers area at a HW gig. Standard Stealth >rules apply. >dane Howls. I don't have a rig for taping shows but thinking about investing in one. What are the Standard Stealth rules Dane? I know a guy who makes great tapes but I imagine he's out in the open doing this. High quality sound so I know he's not sticking a mic through a pocket in his over coat. >So who do we ask. I think it would be great to have some live tapes of the >band and the tunes they are playing now. I like collecting live tapes and I >think it's cool that Al and the Surgeons don't mind. It's a great way to enjoy >the music. I hope that Eric, Al, and Buck don't mind...... Maybe you could >ask that on Tuesday, John? >Brad L. Would you mind asking during the chat John, might be the only way we ever get to have recordings of the new songs. 8>). >I think that a lot of times the bands that get most antsy about amateur >recordings are the ones that have the most to hide about the quality of their >live shows. When I think of bands notorious for fucking with tapers I think >of Zeppelin and G'n'R. >Chris Baker Amen Chris. I can think of a few bands that are hardly worth taping anyway. Thanks folks. L8er lil' ab "Subjugating the enemy's army without fighting is the true pinnacle of excellence. Thus the highest realization of warfare is to attack the enemy's plans." The Art of War - Sun Tzu Hair Band Song of the Day - Y&T's Don't Tell Me What To Wear (Down for the Count) From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Fri Apr 11 17:19:35 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:19:35 -0400 Subject: OFF: Ranjit Message-ID: > And don't forget Ranjit, who provides all of the above, via the net Is Ranjit still alive? I haven't gotten a response out of him in at least a year. Has anyone successfully ordered anything from him in the last few months? From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Apr 11 18:05:12 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:05:12 -0400 Subject: Ranjit Message-ID: > And don't forget Ranjit, who provides all of the above, via the net Is Ranjit still alive? I haven't gotten a response out of him in at least a year. Has anyone successfully ordered anything from him in the last few months? Well, I haven't bought anything from him in a couple of years, due to the fact that I prefer to pay by credit card and he only takes cash or checks. Most of the sources that I use take credit cards, so I use them first. I do pay more, but the convenience and quick turn-around are worth it to me. His Web page was just updated within the last month or so, so he is still among the living. He can be somewhat slow to respond, but that is due to the fact that this is not a full-time job for him. He does it as a service to the prog/electronic community, sandwiched in-between his family, job and traveling. Just don't expect him to be as fast as, say, CDNow. obCDPlayer: Al Stewart / Russians & Americans Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 11 20:24:09 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:24:09 PDT Subject: HW: best live disks Message-ID: I've enjoyed the thread about best live albums. (Used to be California Brainstorm.) Here's my list of 4 live Hawkwind disks that I would select for use while marooned on a desert island. 1) The Business Trip 2) Love In Space 3) Space Ritual Alive 4) Palace Springs It's a hard choice to eliminate Live 79, Live Chronicles, and California Brainstorm, though. Even Undisclosed Files Addendum is pretty good. Here's my vote for live album to TAKE to a desert island and leave it there: Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin Bryan ------------------------- Bryan Young blyoung at hotmail.com ------------------------- My Hawkwind website, recently updated! http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 ---------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Fri Apr 11 10:10:05 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:10:05 -0700 Subject: OFF Scorpions Help Message-ID: Can anyone out there make me a tape of Fly to the Rainbow? It seems this is a Japanese CD and I can't seem to find it on vinyl either. I would mail the tape and postage. Thanks DAne From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Sat Apr 12 00:31:57 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:31:57 E Subject: HW: Levitation cover Message-ID: Brian, As far as i can recall "Amorphis" is a death metal band real grind-core like, much like Goreguts and Asphyxia, but somewhat like the vocal style of Cannibal Corpse. (this really isn't a joke.) peace, bryan From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Sat Apr 12 00:36:46 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:36:46 E Subject: American Hawk Tales, pt II Message-ID: Does anyone have an e-mail address for Jim Collins? Capt. Cloud perhaps? thanks bryan From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sat Apr 12 01:15:13 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:15:13 -0700 Subject: HW- _California Brainsto Message-ID: ----------bootleg, from the Omni of all places. > > Live HW: > Space Ritual > Live 79 > Live Chronicles > Business Trip > worst live: Hawklords Live Hm. Maybe I'm alone on this, but 'Lords Live would probably be my favorite after SR... Charlie > > Dane > > ObCD: After the Snow-Modern English From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Apr 12 04:10:29 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 10:10:29 +0200 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag Message-ID: >Crumbs! I kind of got the impression from the story that you got it for >a song (as opposed to a spoken word piece over an instrumental!) >Guide Price still is 100+ though, isn't it? I wonder how many change >hands these days, to establish a price. I've never even seen one. >As much as I want one of *everything*, I think I'd balk at that. (I can >say that now, but if I saw one.....!) >Just out of interest, who out there would pay 100UKP for this rarest of >all HW singles, given a once-only opportunity? Kollektor's Arrival in Utopia is Kompleteness; therefore money isn't the issue. however sometime's there's a family demand of food and shelter that *might* have me waiting for the next "once-only opportunity" >Jon Browne \\joe proud owner of a fourh copy of a Pure Gagarin clone, _Les G?nies Du Rock, Urban Guerilla_ From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sat Apr 12 06:14:56 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 10:14:56 UT Subject: BOC: Bryan Adams review Message-ID: Rare name-check for BOC in today's (London) _Times_, in a review of Bryan Adams' Wembley Arena gig: "...the great "Run to You" (even if the guitar riff is borrowed from Blue Oyster Cult)..." Even got the umlaut right! - Andy ObCDforthenextmonthprobably: The New Christs - _Lower Yourself_ Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 11 04:43:19 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:43:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Future Generations In-Reply-To: <334D2BC3.426A@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: In message <334D2BC3.426A at student.uq.edu.au>, Max Wilcox writes >> Speaking of which, I think hawkfans worldwide should start saving and >> raising money to place Dave in Cyrogenic suspension when that day >> finally comes. >> >> I can't think of anyone else more deserving to be unfrozen and revived >> sometime in the future.... and he can then cause the fall of earth city. > > No disrespect to all involved, of course, but I really think that we've >missed our chance - with one R. Calvert. It would take a highly evolved >species to truly appreciate his works (present company excepted...) Yeah, right. Like, um, I wish he could have been deep frozen too...... -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 11 05:11:30 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:11:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: Chemical Bro's / The ORB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , QUEST writes >On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Jon Browne wrote: >> ObCD - The new Chemical Brothers - Dig Your Own Hole. >> Fan-f*cking-TASTIC!!!!! Stupendous! Headflop!!! > >Question: Some friends and I will be going to the Chem.Bros / ORB concert >at the Bomb Factory on the 24th. Now, I have most of the ORB material, >but how do the Chem.Bros compare, if at all? What are they like in >general? > >Thanks, >Damon lucky so-and-so! Not terribly Orb-like for starters. These guys are not ambient. this is very up front moshpit dance most of the time, but with some of the most mind-mangling sounds I've ever heard. Imagine a cross between Prodigy and Kraftwerk but with unspeakably psyche Sound FX, really exciting synth-rock. Amongst Prodigy, Orbital, Leftfield, FSOL, Underworld these guys retain their rock-the-fuck-out sensibilities. They do have a couple of sunday morning gentler pieces on the albums, a bit of light and shade, but most of the time you're going through a time/space-warp. Backwards. bryan lists... >-Exit Planet dust (the used to be called the dust brothers) >-Loops of fury >-Setting Sun (or whatever the name is w/ the guy from Oasis) >-and the new one "Block Rockin' Beats" There was also the most excellant singles "Leave Home" "Life is Sweet" And "Song to The Siren" I'm petty sure there's more as The Dust Brothers. I think it's time I sourced a full discog. >very dub/dance oriented but there is some really good stuff most of their early stuff was re-mixing other people, e.g. Manic Street Preachers on the Playstation soundtrack CD - Whooah!! there's about 20- 30 of these remixes out there. Some the best of them were on a tape free with the NME called "X-mas Dust Up" if anyone sees this tape, it gets my highest recommendation. There's also a CD of this tape floating around. If anyone sees this - do *not* listen to it. Just send it to me, immediately! Good price paid! -- Jon Browne From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Apr 12 09:20:32 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:20:32 +1000 Subject: OFF Scorpions Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Dane Carlson wrote: > Can anyone out there make me a tape of Fly to the Rainbow? It seems this is a Japanese CD and I can't seem to find it on vinyl either. I would mail the tape and postage. > > Thanks > DAne > OK. Give me your details. Troy From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Apr 12 07:11:30 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:11:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Info on THE Dave from 69 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Hi there, >Rob Godwin at Griffin here...do you know who it was that was looking for >Hawkwind adverts and concert info a while back??? That would have been Adrian Parr, No? > >Just found a curiosity from March 31st 1969 while researching a book >(not Hawkwind) > >Dave Brock and Pete Judd opening for the Groundhogs at the Bluescene in >Twickenham. The tiny London suburb I've called home these last 32 years! Pity I was only four at the time, they could have all crashed at my place otherwise. And I like Groundhogs too. God knows where the Bluescene was, but it ain't been trading under that name as long as I can recall. Adrian lives in Teddington, the suburb next to Twickenham BTW -- Jon Browne From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Apr 12 10:15:41 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 22:15:41 +0800 Subject: OFF: Rundgren rewls Message-ID: Craig Shipley wrote: > > Yeah, but Rundgren wasn't on "L". Powell, Wilcox and Sultan were, > but not Rundgren (just checked my CD to be sure). Hillage played the guitar. > So, I stand by my earlier statement about Rundgrens' (not Utopia) best guest appearance was on "War Babies". > Todd Rundgren only produced the album "L". I think I would agree with you about "War Babies". I've played that album to some friends who were surprised to learn who it was. Then again, there are also some who seem to think the only sort of songs Todd writes are ballads. There are many people out there who do not know what they are missing! William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Apr 12 10:18:12 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 22:18:12 +0800 Subject: HW: best live disks Message-ID: > Here's my vote for live album to TAKE to a desert island and > leave it there: > Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin > I think Text of Festival would be another! William From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Apr 12 11:45:08 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 01:45:08 +1000 Subject: Good evening to thee... Message-ID: Hi there William, How's the HW organization going? I hear from Paul that you're planning to raise all of the money with a friend? Geeze... That could be something like $7000 or the like. That's pretty scary from my point of view. Up here, I'm planning to do a lot of benefit gigs etc to raise a safety net pool of money and then risk the ticket sales - that's the best thing I can think of at the moment... What do you think of getting the proposed trade done in the next few days? I've got most of the stuff done, so all I really need to do is fill up some more "space" on the tapes and post them off. What do you think? At the moment, I've tapes the Floyd video, the Calvert concert, the Moorcock songs. What else? Do you want some ICU stuff? I don't really have any other rare video footage, though... Anyway, I'll be in touch. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Apr 12 11:50:17 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 01:50:17 +1000 Subject: Good evening to thee... (and everyone else.....) Message-ID: Ooopppss. Don't you hate it when that happens... Sorry all... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Sat Apr 12 12:53:19 1997 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:53:19 EDT Subject: HW: Levitation cover Message-ID: Bryan says... > Brian, > >As far as i can recall "Amorphis" is a death metal band real grind-core >like, much like Goreguts and Asphyxia, but somewhat like the vocal style of >Cannibal Corpse. > >(this really isn't a joke.) Wow. I can't even imagine this! I guess there would be no spacy sounds, a reworked guitar solo (not as ambient), and who knows what they'll do with "It's called Leviatation Levitation Levitation!!!" Then again, maybe they'll decide not to change it at all... weird. Thanks for the info, Bryan. Brian From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Apr 12 12:51:29 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 00:51:29 +0800 Subject: Good evening to thee... Message-ID: Hi there Max, > How's the HW organization going? I hear from Paul that you're planning > to raise all of the money with a friend? Geeze... That could be > something like $7000 or the like. That's pretty scary from my point of > view. Up here, I'm planning to do a lot of benefit gigs etc to raise a > safety net pool of money and then risk the ticket sales - that's the > best thing I can think of at the moment... I'm hoping that I'll not have to fork up too much money to start with (maybe $500), and to get the rest from ticket sales. It's a big step, but my niece who is helping me out (she's 25) and myself hope to make it a regular thing here in WA, with more of the overseas bands that don't get the recognition they deserve the opportunity to tour. > What do you think of getting the proposed trade done in the next few > days? I've got most of the stuff done, so all I really need to do is > fill up some more "space" on the tapes and post them off. What do you > think? > At the moment, I've tapes the Floyd video, the Calvert concert, the > Moorcock songs. What else? Do you want some ICU stuff? I don't really > have any other rare video footage, though... Yes please with ICU. What I have of them so far is only The President's Tapes, New Anatomy, and the stuff on the various compilations. I also have Xitintoday, if you would like a copy (he asked him knowingly!!!). Would you like me to put on your video the Nik Turner video, or the rarer stuff I got from Bernhard??? Or a bit of both??? Bye for now William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Apr 12 12:55:40 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 00:55:40 +0800 Subject: Good evening to thee... Message-ID: Hello everyone That goes for me too!! That was intended as a reply to Max. As it came to me via the list, it was accidently replied to in the same way. Sorry 'bout that, Chief! William From ChStier at AOL.COM Sat Apr 12 13:51:25 1997 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 13:51:25 -0400 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag Message-ID: >As a penniless student, I coughed up the tenner that was the asking price for >_Greasy Truckers Party_ - but the 25 they wanted for _Glastonbury Fayre_ (with >pyramid!) was just too much. (Remember, this was when you still got change >from a oncer for three pints of Paine's at Emma bar. :) I caught the end of a thread on some progressive music board saying that the Greasy Truckers Party was going to be (re?) released on CD soon. Can anybody shed more light on this? Chris From delacour at UNM.EDU Sat Apr 12 14:13:14 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:13:14 -0600 Subject: BOC; Tour dates.. In-Reply-To: <970412135124_2082112719@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: BOC-L People; The following shows have been confirmed. Jean & I had to go away for awhile, so our e-mail was backed up. My brother passed away of a heart attack in his sleep last week, so we had to fly out to Riverside, CA to be with family, ect. He was only 29. 4-14 Tucson, AZ Outback's 4-15 Albuquerque, NM Midnight Rodeo 4-17 Grand Junction,CO Avalon Theater 4-18 Golden, CO Buffalo Rose Saloon 4-19 Colorado Springs, CO Tonie's I will be attending the Albq show, then driving up for the Golden & Colo Springs show. I hope to meet any and all BOC-L members & fans. We'll be looking for you!!! BTW, it seems that the SummerDaze Tour keeps getting smaller and smaller. Has anyone else noticed that? Originally the tour was supposed to last from " mid-April thru mid-August ", but now only shows for June have been confirmed. Anyone with further info will be greatly appreciated. God bless.... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Sat Apr 12 14:58:39 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:58:39 -0400 Subject: OFF: Zen Guerilla Message-ID: Regarding Zen Guerrilla question: Zen Guerrilla is an excellent high energy hard rock band with a twist (or two ) of blues the first Zen Gerrilla CD is a Space Rock masterpiece seeing them live is a nice treat i've been to at least a half dozen ZG shows and loved every one they may not be for everybody but they are worth a chance there are no rules - everything is valid Bob From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Sat Apr 12 21:38:46 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 20:38:46 EST Subject: American Hawk Tales, pt II Message-ID: >Does anyone have an e-mail address for Jim Collins? > >Capt. Cloud perhaps? > >thanks >bryan Sorry Bryan. I don't think Jim Collins is online yet. :-( Let me know if you need the snail addy again. Although I *did* receive a letter from him in Jan96 about a tape tree that still hasn't materialized... Hope all is well with Jim. Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Apr 12 22:28:57 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 19:28:57 PDT Subject: HW: Levitation cover Message-ID: Okay, just another Bryan here with some info on Amorphis.... I listen to a lot of death metal, grindcore, and doom. (Not as much these days, but still enjoy the good stuff). To a trained ear, Amorphis aren't death metal. If you only listened to Napalm Death once or twice, you would think they are similar. Amorphis bases their songs on finnish folk myths, from what I've been told. I have a CD by them, but I don't know what the lyrics are supposed to mean. There is a LOT of melody in the music. Much different than Cannibal Corpse in that respect. The singing is "growled", but the whole product is much more appealing cerebrally than most of the death metal around. If I had to classify the music, I would call it melodic doom grind. How's that for a description? Bryan Young (If you count the song "Motorhead" as a Hawkwind song, then a lot more metal bands than you might think have covered HW music.) > >Bryan says... > >> Brian, >> >>As far as i can recall "Amorphis" is a death metal band real grind-core >>like, much like Goreguts and Asphyxia, but somewhat like the vocal style of >>Cannibal Corpse. >> >>(this really isn't a joke.) > >Wow. I can't even imagine this! I guess there would be no spacy sounds, a >reworked guitar solo (not as ambient), and who knows what they'll do with >"It's called Leviatation Levitation Levitation!!!" Then again, maybe they'll >decide not to change it at all... weird. > >Thanks for the info, Bryan. >Brian ------------------------- Bryan Young blyoung at hotmail.com ------------------------- My Hawkwind website, recently updated! http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 ---------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Apr 12 23:31:30 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 20:31:30 PDT Subject: HW: Freq (greenfly and the rose) Message-ID: Hi. I just got Calvert's CD Freq, but my copy (from Cleopatra) has bonus tracks, Lord of the Hornets and The Greenfly and the Rose. Question 1: What are these tracks taken from? The date they were recorded is given but no other info. Question 2: What is the song Greenfly and the Rose about??????? It's full of words, and I assume they must mean something. It starts out like a song that is lamenting when things must end. But then the aphids start eating everything on Earth. Then they go in space, eating the clouds and working out from there. What is Calvert talking about? Bryan Young ------------------------- Bryan Young blyoung at hotmail.com ------------------------- My Hawkwind website, recently updated! http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 ---------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Apr 13 06:43:24 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:43:24 +0200 Subject: American Hawk Tales, pt II Message-ID: cjohnson wrote: > > >Does anyone have an e-mail address for Jim Collins? > > > >Capt. Cloud perhaps? > > > >thanks > >bryan > > Sorry Bryan. I don't think Jim Collins is online yet. :-( > > Let me know if you need the snail addy again. Although I *did* > receive a letter from him in Jan96 about a tape tree that still > hasn't materialized... Hope all is well with Jim. I really hope so to, since I?ve paid twice for American Hawtales 2 and a Nik Turner booklet. This was done in 1996 and still not a sign!?! Hope we hear from him soon, he should be working with arranging som kind of Ozric-tour in USA this year. > > Captain Cloud > cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com All the best Hawkswede -- ========================================================== "A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward from cradle earth to our future in the stars." Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Apr 13 08:13:29 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:13:29 UT Subject: Freq (greenfly and the rose) Message-ID: >Question 2: What is the song Greenfly and the Rose >about??????? Well, on one level, it's about greenflies (aphids) and roses; various rose varieties are named. On another level, it's about how nothing lasts forever. And then it's about how insects rule the world. But the aphids can also be read as a metaphor for the proletariat, so it's a political statement too - but an ambiguous statement, because the aphids' - the workers' - dream is out of all proportion to their capability. And it's also about the vanity of mankind, because mankind is irrelevant in the aphids' scheme of things. Just some thoughts! - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Sun Apr 13 10:48:00 1997 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 09:48:00 -0500 Subject: American Hawk Tales, pt II Message-ID: At 08:38 PM 4/12/97 EST, you wrote: >>Does anyone have an e-mail address for Jim Collins? >> >>Capt. Cloud perhaps? >> >>thanks >>bryan > > Sorry Bryan. I don't think Jim Collins is online yet. :-( > > Let me know if you need the snail addy again. Although I *did* > receive a letter from him in Jan96 about a tape tree that still > hasn't materialized... Hope all is well with Jim. > > > Captain Cloud > cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com > > I received a letter from Jim the other day saying that To let me know what happened to the T of E news letter is that he had to put all of his things in to storage, While he looks for new place to live and he hopes to get situated soon. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy, hawkwind at interaccess.com http://homepage.interaccess.com/~hawkwind/universe.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Apr 13 13:54:19 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 13:54:19 -0400 Subject: HW: Freq (greenfly and the rose) Message-ID: Bryan asks... >Hi. I just got Calvert's CD Freq, but my copy (from >Cleopatra) has bonus tracks, Lord of the Hornets and >The Greenfly and the Rose. > >Question 1: What are these tracks taken from? The >date they were recorded is given but no other info. These tracks were both on his earlier album, 'Hype', which came out around 1981 I believe. Not having both with me at the moment, I can't tell you whether the respective versions are different...from memory alone, the Freq versions (at least the ones on my Anagram CD) sound at least similar to the originals. If they are in fact the very same recordings, I wonder why these two were added to Freq as bonus tracks. Well, actually, now that I listen further, the very last bit when Calvert (and backing vocalists) are singing 'The Greenfly and the Rose' over and over, this does sound different.....perhaps these were earlier demo versions. There's no mention of where these came from in my booklet. Does the Codex cover solo stuff?? If so, that's where you should look... Keith H. (FAA) From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Apr 13 14:06:44 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 02:06:44 +0800 Subject: HW: Freq (greenfly and the rose) Message-ID: Keith Henderson wrote: > > Bryan asks... > > >Hi. I just got Calvert's CD Freq, but my copy (from > >Cleopatra) has bonus tracks, Lord of the Hornets and > >The Greenfly and the Rose. > > > >Question 1: What are these tracks taken from? The > >date they were recorded is given but no other info. > > These tracks were both on his earlier album, 'Hype', which came out around > 1981 I believe. Not having both with me at the moment, I can't tell you > whether the respective versions are different...from memory alone, the Freq > versions (at least the ones on my Anagram CD) sound at least similar to the > originals. If they are in fact the very same recordings, I wonder why these > two were added to Freq as bonus tracks. Well, actually, now that I listen > further, the very last bit when Calvert (and backing vocalists) are singing > 'The Greenfly and the Rose' over and over, this does sound > different.....perhaps these were earlier demo versions. There's no mention > of where these came from in my booklet. Does the Codex cover solo stuff?? > If so, that's where you should look... > There is a difference. These versions feature different musicians (including Lemmy). I can't remember exactly how different they sound, but I seem to remember the tracks being released on a single by Flicknife before the album Hype came out (I could be wrong about that, though?) William From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Apr 13 15:07:48 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 21:07:48 +0200 Subject: HW: Freq (greenfly and the rose) Message-ID: At 02:06 1997-04-14 +0800, you wrote: >Keith Henderson wrote: >> >> Bryan asks... >> >> >Hi. I just got Calvert's CD Freq, but my copy (from >> >Cleopatra) has bonus tracks, Lord of the Hornets and >> >The Greenfly and the Rose. >> > >> >Question 1: What are these tracks taken from? The >> >date they were recorded is given but no other info. >> >> These tracks were both on his earlier album, 'Hype', which came out around >> 1981 I believe. Not having both with me at the moment, I can't tell you >> whether the respective versions are different...from memory alone, the Freq >> versions (at least the ones on my Anagram CD) sound at least similar to the >> originals. If they are in fact the very same recordings, I wonder why these >> two were added to Freq as bonus tracks. Well, actually, now that I listen >> further, the very last bit when Calvert (and backing vocalists) are singing >> 'The Greenfly and the Rose' over and over, this does sound >> different.....perhaps these were earlier demo versions. There's no mention >> of where these came from in my booklet. Does the Codex cover solo stuff?? >> If so, that's where you should look... >> >There is a difference. These versions feature different musicians >(including Lemmy). I can't remember exactly how different they sound, >but I seem to remember the tracks being released on a single by >Flicknife before the album Hype came out (I could be wrong about that, >though?) > >William I haven't heard the Freq versions. (you cannot buy every version of every spinoff release...) However Henrik's Moorcock/Calvert tape had quite different versions of LotH and GatR (compared with the 7"/Hype version) - those was pure demo sounding. \\joe From torgo at NORWICH.NET Sun Apr 13 15:51:27 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:51:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: Bryan Adams review Message-ID: Andy Gilham once said...... >Rare name-check for BOC in today's (London) _Times_, in a review of Bryan >Adams' Wembley Arena gig: > >"...the great "Run to You" (even if the guitar riff is borrowed from Blue >Oyster Cult)..." > >Even got the umlaut right! Ya know, this may sound a bit nutty, but every time I hear that song (on the radio mind you) I have always felt that the guitar riff in it sounded a bit BOC-ish. I have told many people this and they all give me that odd, far away look like a dog gives you when you ask him for travel directions. Glad to hear that SOMEONE out there knows what I am talking about. Another song that always puts me in the mind of not so much BOC in general, but Buck Dharma's playing style, is a song that I could not tell you the name of but gets alot of FM radio play. Its by Ten Years After and the chorus is "I'd love to change the world, but I don't know what to do." or some such rubbish. Listen to the melodic guitar parts in it, to me it has Buck's style written all over it. Or maybe I'm nutz. I dunno. ObCdIJustBoughtAndLikeALot: Queensryche: Hear in the now frontier The Torgo from Terra Incognita. torgo at norwich.net From alasdair.macdonald at VIRGIN.NET Sun Apr 13 16:26:09 1997 From: alasdair.macdonald at VIRGIN.NET (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 21:26:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Freq (greenfly and the rose) Message-ID: Yes, it was a Flicknife single. with "Hugh" Llyod Langton, according to the rear sleve. fls204 is the catalogue No., 1980 the date on the back of my copy. Hope this helps. Alasdair. From alasdair.macdonald at VIRGIN.NET Sun Apr 13 15:43:59 1997 From: alasdair.macdonald at VIRGIN.NET (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:43:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Single Message-ID: Re: > > Who in hell's S. MacManus? (snip) > S MacManus was Dave's wife Shiela... (snip) Couldn't get "Shiela MacManus" out of my mind for days. I think Sylvia is the correct name. Alasdair. From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Mon Apr 14 07:27:32 1997 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 07:27:32 BST Subject: BOC: Buck & Ten Years After Message-ID: Torgo writes Another song that always puts me in the mind of not so much BOC in general, but Buck Dharma's playing style, is a song that I could not tell you the name of but gets alot of FM radio play. Its by Ten Years After and the chorus is "I'd love to change the world, but I don't know what to do." or some such rubbish. Listen to the melodic guitar parts in it, to me it has Buck's style written all over it. Or maybe I'm nutz. I dunno. Torgo - the song is called simply "I'd love to change the world". Strangley enogh, it wasn't Buck this song reminded me of, it was Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Simple Man". Ah well, maybe we're all going mad...... Neil. Obtape : Wayne County & the Electric Chairs "Blantently Offensive EP" From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Apr 13 06:13:32 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:13:32 +0100 Subject: HW: Levitation cover In-Reply-To: <199704130228.TAA12085@f19.hotmail.com> Message-ID: In message <199704130228.TAA12085 at f19.hotmail.com>, "" writes >Bryan Young > >(If you count the song "Motorhead" as a Hawkwind song, then >a lot more metal bands than you might think have covered HW >music.) Those ever luvin' funsters Primal Scream do "Motorhead" on their new LP, out in a week or two, BTW. Apparently, this ones more like Screamadelica than the last R'n'B based effort. -- Jon Browne From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Apr 14 07:48:00 1997 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 06:48:00 -0500 Subject: Space Rock Fest? Message-ID: Hello, I just talk to Doug Walker of Alien Planetscapes and he told be that they are trying to put together a space rock festival in Brushhollow, NY on 8/25/97 with the following bands: F/i Alien Planetscapes Melting Euphoria Ozric Tentacles HW (possible??) Porcupine Tree (Possible?) as well as other bands. He also talked to someone in the HW organization who mentioned a possible live CD from 12/72, one of the last shows with Terry Olis on drums! just thought I would let you all know.... Scott ObMD- Laibach- boston 3/6/97 From squinn at PALMNET.NET Mon Apr 14 07:19:01 1997 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (squinn) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 07:19:01 -0400 Subject: Buck Dharma Solo Concert in Atlanta Message-ID: I?m sitting here in a friend?s apartment in Atlanta the weekend of one of the best BOCish Buck Dharma concert weekends I?ve had since becoming a BOC fan in ?83. I flew up from Florida to Atlanta to see the Ricky Browning Buck Dharma benefit concert. It was performed at the Gwinnet County Civic Center about 25 miles NW of Atlanta. The turn-out for the concert was moderate. None the less - all the objectives for the show were met. Word got out about Ricky?s insurance problems as a result of the media attention surrounding the concert and are now being corrected. A blast was had by all including Ricky who sat in on drums for Godzilla. I must commend Chuck Saden for the fantastic job he did organizing the event - everything seemed to go very smoothly - including the pre/post concert events. Buck?s band consisted of himself, Danny Maranda, John Miceli (of Rainbow fame and some other bands) and Sandy Roeser on backup vocals. Sandy told me that this was the first time she performed with Buck on-stage ever. Buck started the show solo with two covers on acoustic guitar - ?Black Bird? and ?In my Life?. The remainder of the show was electric: Astronomy Live for Me Deadline (AWESOME !) Burning for You Before the Kiss Shooting Shark Buck?s Boogie Real World (another new one from the Zeke?s wheel - sounded great) Wind, Weather and Storm (I believe Sandy joined in at this point) In Thee Born to Rock 5:35 Reaper Godzilla Encore: I Fought the Law Harvest Moon The acoustics were excellent. The show was video taped and will be available for sale. All proceeds will go to the Ricky Browning Fund. On-liners came from all over the country - Chicago, Phoenix, Seattle, LA, Raleigh NC, Orlando, Indiana, and NY - including Bolle and Melne. A benefit dinner with Sandy and Buck was held Thursday night. Unfortunately, I could not attend. I heard everyone had a good-time. Following the concert, Chuck invited the on-liners to his house for a party - very well catered and well stocked with all kinds of drinks. It was a blast ! Buck and Sandy even came and seemed to have a great time. I did not go to bed until 6:00 AM - haven?t done that since college. Now if all that was not enough Saturday night Chuck and a DJ from a local radio station arranged to have Buck Dharma Band perform at the Dixie Tavern in Buckhead (yes - that?s a real section of town in Atlanta and is party center of the city -bars, clubs, restaurants everywhere). As is typical on Friday or Saturday night, Buckhead was crowded with people. Anyway - I figured the band would play a couple of tunes with a local band ? not be. They played a complete set !!! The song list was the same (not the order) minus the acoustic numbers and the addition of Cities on Flame. It was great !!! The crowd in the club really got into it - within minutes after the band starting playing, the place became packed wall to wall with people. Interestingly, the band played with their back against a set of windows that faced the street. With Buck jamming, a crowd of people gathered outside the window. During the Reaper - Buck walked outside with Guitar in hand and played outside for a few minutes and got up ledge a played to the fans in the club through the windows. It was clear Buck was having as great a time. The concert started at around 11:30 PM and ended at around 2:00 AM Sunday Morning - my birthday - couldn?t have asked for a better gift !!! Needless to say, I?m still flying high on this experience. It was great meeting so many dedicated Buck Dharma/BOC fans. Hope I didn?t ramble too much. Shawn From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 14 08:27:49 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:27:49 -0400 Subject: Buck Dharma Solo Concert in Atlanta Message-ID: Shawn: Sounds like a magical moment indeed -- I'm looking forward to getting audio and video copies. Kudos to all involved - a great time for a good cause. Very nice. John From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 14 07:48:01 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:48:01 +0100 Subject: What happened to Lloyd-Langton? Message-ID: Just out of curiosity, why did he leave the group? I really miss the edge he gave to the HW sound and his solo works were quite good too. Anyone know of his recent whereabouts? -- Mark Edmonds From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 14 09:50:57 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 14:50:57 +0100 Subject: HW: various questions In-Reply-To: <199704110249.TAA17241@f27.hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <199704110249.TAA17241 at f27.hotmail.com>, "" writes > >My CD of Sonic Attack seems to be fine. I haven't noticed any wow >or flutter. Has anybody else noticed what Mark is asking about? > >Mark: What part of the song exhibits the worst effects? I listened >by headphones too and I couldn't find anything on mine. > Well it isn`t so much wow and flutter but is more like a total shift in tape speed during the guitar solo bit in the middle of Angels of Death. I can`t provide a specific reference at present but the whole pitch of the track drops by about a quatertone. It is so noticable that it makes you cringe. We had to wait so long for the original Angels of Death to appear on CD and then it is a flawed transfer. I'll be able to give an exact mm:ss reference after the weekend. Mark Edmonds From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Apr 13 17:04:22 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:04:22 BST Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:06:25 UT Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > As a penniless student, I coughed up the tenner that was the asking price for > _Greasy Truckers Party_ - but the 25 they wanted for _Glastonbury Fayre_ (with > pyramid!) was just too much. (Remember, this was when you still got change > from a oncer for three pints of Paine's at Emma bar. :) And the Glastonbury Fayre triple album is now worth over 100 pounds - complete with pyramid et al while beer is about 6 quid for three pints. Actually, perhaps buying the beer was a better investment 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Apr 13 16:56:07 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 16:56:07 BST Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:26:52 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > Crumbs! I kind of got the impression from the story that you got it for > a song (as opposed to a spoken word piece over an instrumental!) come on! I reckoned I was lucky even to *see* the thing for sale never mind have the chance to buy it! And yes, I am a Kollector, I collect everything that stays still long enough to be stored somewhere - and if I decide to Kollect something seriously then I make damn sure that my collection is (a) as complete as possible and (b) that it's composed of things that are as original as possible. So when an original Sonic Attack with cloth bag comes up for sale reasonably authenticated (I believed the history she told me at any rate) and the price is not wildly silly (yes, I would probably have balked at paying anything much over 100, since I knew that was the going rate) then I'm going to collect it. Please also bear in mind that I do NOT have a husband or 13 kids to support, that I have been earning a regular salary for quite a considerable number of years now and that collecting Hawkwind records is probably one of my few major personal expenditures (no car or motorbike and I don't spend much on clothes) just now so it's something I am prepared to spend money on. > Guide Price still is 100+ though, isn't it? I wonder how many change > hands these days, to establish a price. I've never even seen one. > As much as I want one of *everything*, I think I'd balk at that. (I can > say that now, but if I saw one.....!) > Just out of interest, who out there would pay 100UKP for this rarest of > all HW singles, given a once-only opportunity? That's not entirely a fair question since I expect most other people have other things they would rather do with 100 quid - or even *need* to do. As I happened, yes, I could have used the 100 quid for something else but I preferred to use it to collect something I considered rare, valuable, unique, important and very special. And whereas some folk will spend 100 odd quid road taxing their car or buying a dress or books or holding a wild party, I bought a item of great rarity. No apologies. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 14 11:44:55 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:44:55 EDT Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag Message-ID: > From: J Strobridge > Subject: Re: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag > > much over 100, since I knew that was the going rate) then I'm going to > collect it. Please also bear in mind that I do NOT have a husband or > 13 kids to support, that I have been earning a regular salary for quite > a considerable number of years now and that collecting Hawkwind records > is probably one of my few major personal expenditures (no car or > motorbike and I don't spend much on clothes) just now so it's something > I am prepared to spend money on. > > > Guide Price still is 100+ though, isn't it? I wonder how many change > > hands these days, to establish a price. I've never even seen one. > > As much as I want one of *everything*, I think I'd balk at that. (I can > > say that now, but if I saw one.....!) > > Just out of interest, who out there would pay 100UKP for this rarest of > > all HW singles, given a once-only opportunity? > > That's not entirely a fair question since I expect most other people > have other things they would rather do with 100 quid - or even *need* > to do. As I happened, yes, I could have used the 100 quid for > something else but I preferred to use it to collect something I > considered rare, valuable, unique, important and very special. And > whereas some folk will spend 100 odd quid road taxing their car or > buying a dress or books or holding a wild party, I bought a item of > great rarity. No apologies. > > jill > Hey, how fast can a lot of people we all know put 100 bucks or quid up their nose? It's your money, so for all I care you can give it to the American Nazi Party 'cause it's none of my business! My point being that collection is your avocation, and for you, it's money well spent. No need to justify your habits to me or anyone else on this list... theo From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Mon Apr 14 11:41:44 1997 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:41:44 +0100 Subject: Off: Glastonbury Message-ID: Looking for Glastonbury web site or at least a list of whos playing this year. Any ideas ? Andy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1176 bytes Desc: not available URL: From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Apr 14 11:48:54 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Hopeless Hippy) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:48:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: <9704131656.aa28959@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > Just out of interest, who out there would pay 100UKP for this rarest of > all HW singles, given a once-only opportunity? Speaking as someone who spent 25 quid on the buskers album because of the joy of owning one track, even though I have the music a couple of times already, I would say that I probably would buy it for this price. I can tell you where one was about 6 months ago if you want, I was sore tempted to buy it, to go with the 4 other bits of HW stuff that I had treated myself to, but as I had company and didn't want to mark myself down as a complete Kollector (something I don't understand even though I do) I chose no to buy it. I have yet to deny Hawkwind 3 times before the cock crows, but it is next on the list of heresies, viz. 1. not buying BMTHoYG 2. not buying The Bristol Bike Show album with those 2 tracks 3. not buying Greasy truckers for the going rate 4. not buying every rehashed re-release of the compilation tracks that appeared on Acid Daze etc 5. not buying the 4 CD Griffin boxed set for 1 new track (and a comic) 6. not buying each and every release of the Silver Machine singles 7. not buying sonic attack in cloth bag for 100 quidlings 8. not buying BBC transcription records when you have the chance to, just for the cost of one soul 'hardly used' 9. not travelling to Japan to seek out and find strange new records, and new versions of Doremi with SM on them 10. saying 'Oh let me think, my favourite band, well it is hard to say really' Mike 'I reckon I'm about 6.5 on a scale of 10' Wright From BrizoCult at AOL.COM Mon Apr 14 11:55:00 1997 From: BrizoCult at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:55:00 -0400 Subject: Buck Dharma Solo Concert in Atlanta Message-ID: Shawn, Excellent caption of events and review of the magical week end we all experienced. (Don't forget that 3 people came from Washington state too!) It was great to meet you and all others. The weekend was full of positive energy and Buck was better than ever. The highlight for me was the event at the Dixie bar in Buckhead......what a show, and experience....it was truly unbelievable! My head is still reeling and I can't help but thinking that all that positive, cosmic and spiritual energy......had to good for little Ricky, and he clearly had an enchanted evening. Hats off to all who were there...and honors to Chuck Saden and the Buck Dharma band. Teri( From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Apr 14 12:13:30 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:13:30 -0600 Subject: BOC Tour/Bucks Sounds Abound Message-ID: >Torgo>"Another song that always puts me in the mind of not so much BOC in >general,but Buck Dharma's playing style, is a song that I could not tell you >the name of but gets alot of FM radio play. Its by Ten Years {Snips} Or maybe >I'm nutz. I dunno." > >Neil>"Torgo - the song is called simply "I'd love to change the world". >Strangley enogh, it wasn't Buck this song reminded me of, it was Lynyrd >Skynyrd's "Simple Man". Ah well, maybe we're all going mad......" Naw, neither of you are nuts. Don't know about Ten Years After (what?) but the B Adam's song is a definite. Try Stone Temple Pilots "Unglued". The Tempo is all wrong for BOC but I swear I can hear some strangely familiar tones in that one. Eric even admitted he liked STP a bit, maybe he heard it too. J&M>"My brother passed away of a heart attack in his sleep last week, so we had to fly out to Riverside, CA to be with family, ect. He was only 29." Sorry to hear that. Prayers be with you. J&M>"BTW, it seems that the SummerDaze Tour keeps getting smaller and smaller. Has anyone else noticed that? " I'm surprised they are trying to do it again this year. Most of last years Wheezer fests did poorly and some of them were dominated by bigger names than this rendition. I'm not too excited about the Summer season, thus far only Rush and the Moody Blues looks inviting (Come on Allman Brothers do it for me). Maybe venues are brokering their bets that larger named bands will announce some tour plans. An example, Queensryche will probably hit the road to support their new one. Got to have some open dates in there somewhere. L8er lil' ab "Subjugating the enemy's army without fighting is the true pinnacle of excellence. Thus the highest realization of warfare is to attack the enemy's plans." The Art of War - Sun Tzu obcd - King's X - King's X Hair band song of the day - anything by Toto From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 14 18:58:41 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 18:58:41 BST Subject: HW: apologies - Sonic Attack Cloth Bag over head In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. EL84's message of Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:44:55 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL84 writes: > being that collection is your avocation, and for you, it's money well > spent. No need to justify your habits to me or anyone else on this > list... > > theo yes - ok. Sorry. I guess it's because although it was a lot of money to spend, I don't regret it for one minute and given that most everyone else I know (present company excepted) will never understand why, I'm probably way too sensitive about it. Apologies jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 14 19:07:31 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 19:07:31 BST Subject: What happened to Lloyd-Langton? In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:48:01 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > Just out of curiosity, why did he leave the group? I really miss the > edge he gave to the HW sound and his solo works were quite good too. > Anyone know of his recent whereabouts? He's still touring the clubs - he was playing in London a couple of weeks ago. Keep checking the gig guides or ticket venues - you might be lucky - he came as far north as Edinburgh in Dec 1994 and played an excellent gig! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM Mon Apr 14 15:32:35 1997 From: jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM (Jill Douglas) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 20:32:35 +0100 Subject: What happened to Lloyd-Langton? Message-ID: Hi All! Huw is alive and well and kicking ass with his guitar with The Lloyd Langton Group at various venues throughout England. I will try to get some more info to you very shortly. Watch this Space Ritual!! Jill Douglas -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Mon Apr 14 16:55:54 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:55:54 CDT Subject: HW: Levitation cover Message-ID: So, are they more like Fields of the Nephilim's mature work then? I'm not a death metal fan, but this sounds intriguing.... Any further info/comparisons would be appreciated. Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Saturday, April 12, 1997 9:39 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: HW: Levitation cover Okay, just another Bryan here with some info on Amorphis.... I listen to a lot of death metal, grindcore, and doom. (Not as much these days, but still enjoy the good stuff). To a trained ear, Amorphis aren't death metal. If you only listened to Napalm Death once or twice, you would think they are similar. Amorphis bases their songs on finnish folk myths, from what I've been told. I have a CD by them, but I don't know what the lyrics are supposed to mean. There is a LOT of melody in the music. Much different than Cannibal Corpse in that respect. The singing is "growled", but the whole product is much more appealing cerebrally than most of the death metal around. If I had to classify the music, I would call it melodic doom grind. How's that for a description? Bryan Young (If you count the song "Motorhead" as a Hawkwind song, then a lot more metal bands than you might think have covered HW music.) > >Bryan says... > >> Brian, >> >>As far as i can recall "Amorphis" is a death metal band real grind-core >>like, much like Goreguts and Asphyxia, but somewhat like the vocal style of >>Cannibal Corpse. >> >>(this really isn't a joke.) > >Wow. I can't even imagine this! I guess there would be no spacy sounds, a >reworked guitar solo (not as ambient), and who knows what they'll do with >"It's called Leviatation Levitation Levitation!!!" Then again, maybe they'll >decide not to change it at all... weird. > >Thanks for the info, Bryan. >Brian ------------------------- Bryan Young blyoung at hotmail.com ------------------------- My Hawkwind website, recently updated! http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 ---------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Mon Apr 14 18:09:19 1997 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:09:19 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 13 Apr 1997 to 14 Apr 1997 Message-ID: Hi Hawkfans, Does anybody have an opinion of robert calvert Blueprints from the cellar. Cdeurope wants $50.00 for it. Does it have rare tracks? I believe I have everything else by him. I'm trying to find out if this would be obtaining. Thanks -- Standing on the runway waiting for take off Dan Witt Minneapolis, MN From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Mon Apr 14 20:10:35 1997 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:10:35 -0700 Subject: Buck Dharma Solo Concert in Atlanta Message-ID: Shawn, A great description of a great 3 days. It is something I certainly will never forget and made the trip from Washington state completely worthwhile. I echo the applause for Chuck setting up this whole thing, and thank Buck and Sandy for being such wonderful people. You mentioned some of my favorite moments; Buck playing outside at Dixie, Ricky joining John on the drums for Godzilla. I thought it was also great when Buck did the Chuck Berry thing during his Born To Rock solo. It was so awesome to just be able to listen to Buck's great guitar work with the 3-piece band. Jack From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Apr 14 21:13:25 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 21:13:25 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 13 Apr 1997 to 14 Apr 1997 In-Reply-To: <3352AB0F.3179@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Dan Witt wrote: > Does anybody have an opinion of robert calvert Blueprints from the > cellar. Cdeurope wants $50.00 for it. Does it have rare tracks? I > believe I have everything else by him. I'm trying to find out if this > would be obtaining. I have this, and like it, but I think CDEurope is vastly overcharging at $50. (I bought mine as a domestic UK release, and it was about L10 if I remember rightly; it's on BGO---a label that handles mostly reissues.) The material included comprises demo recordings of various Calvert solo material, mostly from _Freq_ and _Test Tube Conceived_, but including about half a dozen tracks not released in any other form (i.e. these demos are all we have)---so far as I understand (see the Calvert WWW page for more info). The unpolished nature of the songs (Bob plays all the instruments on these demos), coupled with the primitive recording circumstances (though it is a good CD transfer) combine to put off many from this recording. I'd label this "for kompletists only." At $50, I'd try and arrange a trade if I were you... (Actually, at $50 it would be cheaper to mail order it direct from the UK.) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sun Dial, _Other Way Out_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Apr 14 22:06:43 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:06:43 -0400 Subject: Calvert's BLUEPRINTS... Message-ID: OUCH!! Fifty smackers?!?! The disk is a collection of demos that are very unpolished, with a very primitive sound to them. This is pretty much for those Calvert collectors that "gotta have it all". I can't say that the CD is worth $50. Have you tried Ranjit? I bought mine from him (in '93 or so) for around $20; don't know if he has any copies left, but you can always have him hunt for it for you if you don't mind the wait... obCDPlayer: Alistair Brimble / Sounds Digital Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Dan Witt[SMTP:hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET] Sent: Monday, April 14, 1997 6:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 13 Apr 1997 to 14 Apr 1997 Hi Hawkfans, Does anybody have an opinion of robert calvert Blueprints from the cellar. Cdeurope wants $50.00 for it. Does it have rare tracks? I believe I have everything else by him. I'm trying to find out if this would be obtaining. Thanks -- Standing on the runway waiting for take off Dan Witt Minneapolis, MN From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Apr 15 00:46:15 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:46:15 +1000 Subject: Calvert's BLUEPRINTS... Message-ID: Craig Shipley wrote: > > OUCH!! Fifty smackers?!?! The disk is a collection of demos that are very unpolished, with a very primitive sound to them. This is pretty much for those > Calvert collectors that "gotta have it all". I can't say that the CD is worth $50. Have you tried Ranjit? I bought mine from him (in '93 or so) for around $20; don't know if he has any copies left, but you can always have him hunt for it for you if you don't mind the wait... Geeze - $50. I guess that's US, too. I only ordered it about a year ago, so I assume you can still get it pretty easily. I quite like the stuff on this album - in fact, it would be close to the truth to say I LOVE the stuff on it. It's got more of an intimate feel than the album versions of particularly Test Tube Conceived, e.g. the version of "Fly on the Wall" is IMO much better than the album version. As long as you can put up with the poor keyboard on the album, it's great. My suggestion is - get it, but order it, as $50 is far too much for it. But then again, I'm a total Calvert fanatic, so take my advice with a pinch of salt, if necessary... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Apr 15 01:20:02 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:20:02 +1000 Subject: Underground Zero Again Message-ID: Hi All, Here is yet another of my seemingly endless (and fruitless) requests for info about Underground Zero - but with a difference! Looking at friends & Relations Vol.6, I see that they have a forthcoming CD called "From Year Zero" - does anybody know anything about this? It also mentions that they should be "busy in 96 promoting their CD. Watch this space for more info." If not, does anybody know who I could contact for info? It's an anagram CD distributed by Visionary, would the visionary site be able to direct me to the correct authorities, I wonder? Anyhoo, thanks for indulging my ongoing quest for ANY Underground Zero material... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 15 04:08:41 1997 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:08:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag Message-ID: >> From: J Strobridge >> > Just out of interest, who out there would pay 100UKP for this rarest of >> > all HW singles, given a once-only opportunity? If you did not buy it you would regret it for a long time. Just think of the gloat factor when looking though your collection and you accidently stumble across your Sonic Attack eh. I saw the 7" Hurry on Sundown Promo once, the asking price was ?70, I was torn in half wether to get it or not, when I did decide to the next day it was sold...AAARRGGHHH. Derrick... --------------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day Sky High and Six Thousand Miles Away Don't Know How Long I've Been Awake Wound Up in an Amazing State "Kilminster" --------------------------------------------------- From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Tue Apr 15 04:07:52 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:07:52 +0100 Subject: What happened to Lloyd-Langton? Message-ID: Please keep us up to date, it's been a long time since I last saw the man. ---------- From: Jill Douglas[SMTP:jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM] Sent: 14 April 1997 20:32 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: What happened to Lloyd-Langton? Hi All! Huw is alive and well and kicking ass with his guitar with The Lloyd Langton Group at various venues throughout England. I will try to get some more info to you very shortly. Watch this Space Ritual!! Jill Douglas -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 14 13:05:37 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 18:05:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Hopeless Hippy writes >1. not buying BMTHoYG Oh it's not as bad as people make out. Just coz it's the worst *HW* release still puts it way abouve most stuff and still a must-have! >2. not buying The Bristol Bike Show album with those 2 tracks Oh no, man, what's this? >3. not buying Greasy truckers for the going rate not had the chance >4. not buying every rehashed re-release of the compilation tracks that >appeared on Acid Daze etc I'm guilty, although it took a fair while as I didn't want to pay more than about 3 quid. But I thought you _did_ buy "Live And Rare"! >5. not buying the 4 CD Griffin boxed set for 1 new track (and a comic) 'sa good comic, man. >6. not buying each and every release of the Silver Machine singles >7. not buying sonic attack in cloth bag for 100 quidlings >8. not buying BBC transcription records when you have the chance to, just >for the cost of one soul 'hardly used' >9. not travelling to Japan to seek out and find strange new records, and >new versions of Doremi with SM on them Feel a glow, I have no flow Do I get you, for even this time Even though the boys were on my side I just been hit by another Twenty thousand solid working men Who say oh for tyhe wings of angels All that our country had. "Spirit Of The Age" Japanese lyric translation. Well, Allen sent me my copy of Revitation, so I'm guilty too. >10. saying 'Oh let me think, my favourite band, well it is hard to say >really' yes, but although the #1 spot might frequently change, HW have been *at least* #2 for years. So it's a case of "Well, The Verve or Hawkwind at the moment." But when the chips are down do you say "Well, Hawkwind are a fucking good band actually, like you know anything about music, cloth- ears!" or do you allow "each to their own" and shirk the responsibility of education, aggressively if ness. > > >Mike 'I reckon I'm about 6.5 on a scale of 10' Wright -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 14 12:33:54 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:33:54 +0100 Subject: Off: Glastonbury In-Reply-To: <01BC48F2.BD617EA0@snowflake.mcs.dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <01BC48F2.BD617EA0 at snowflake.mcs.dundee.ac.uk>, Andy C writes > > >Looking for Glastonbury web site or at least a list >of whos playing this year. Any ideas ? > >Andy They're really not telling. But rumour goes...Smashing Pumpkins, Neil Young, Prodigy, Supergrass, Porcupine Tree, Van Morrison's Morris Van Hire Co. As it goes, I've been to a couple of Glastonburys without seeing a single band (like, embarrassingly enough the year my brother played '92) and still had the *best* time just slounging around the Green Field. Having said that this year, I'm going to make an effort to see more bands... I haven't looked this year but hipsters at Obsolete hosted the Virtual Glastonbury last time so you could start with.. http://www.obsolete.com/ and see if there's a signpost. see you there! -- Jon Browne From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 15 09:57:18 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:57:18 BST Subject: What happened to Lloyd-Langton? In-Reply-To: Jill Douglas's message of Mon, 14 Apr 1997 20:32:35 +0100 Message-ID: Hi Jill Jill Douglas writes: > Hi All! > Huw is alive and well and kicking ass with his guitar with The Lloyd > Langton Group at various venues throughout England. > I will try to get some more info to you very shortly. > Watch this Space Ritual!! > Jill Douglas Are you the same Jill who writes to the pt-mailing list? Didn't know you were into Hawkwind as well. This could get confusing! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 14 13:08:19 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 18:08:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: <9704131656.aa28959@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9704131656.aa28959 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >That's not entirely a fair question since I expect most other people >have other things they would rather do with 100 quid - or even *need* >to do. As I happened, yes, I could have used the 100 quid for >something else but I preferred to use it to collect something I >considered rare, valuable, unique, important and very special. And >whereas some folk will spend 100 odd quid road taxing their car or >buying a dress or books or holding a wild party, I bought a item of >great rarity. No apologies. > >jill Fair enough, no slight intended or aspersions cast. My question was from the view of someone who deals in collectibles for a living and hey, I sold a Batman #1 for 17,000 UKP, yes, about $30,000 for one comic so I'm not suggesting for an instant that you overpaid for this one! If anyone doesn't know this is *the* rarest and highest ticket of hawk-items. (As it goes, i'm a somewhat envious, not even knowing what it looks like!) I asked because I'm interested in the mechanics and gearage of collector- markets. And anyway, and more to the point as with any premium collectible, it's not like you couldn't get your money back *anytime* you liked. Please accept my apologies if my wording implied an error of judgement, as I certainly meant nothing of the sort. -- Jon Browne From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Tue Apr 15 10:34:51 1997 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:34:51 BST Subject: Off: Glastonbury Message-ID: Today, Monday April 14, the Mendip Council will vote on the increase of the tickets to 100.000 tickets. When they agree, 20.000 tickets extra will become available to the public. The Glastonbury Festival seems to sell out before the end of April. The creditcard hotline sold its entire ticket allocation (30.000) in two weeks. Another 30.000 tickets are sold by the official ticket agents. The festival is trying to increase the ticket capacity from 80.000 to 100.000 tickets. Maybe some ticket suppliers have tickets available at the moment. The festival will be organized on June 27-28-29 in Pilton, between Glastonbury and Shepton Mallet, in the countryside of the Somerset Levels, 750 acres of farmland are turned into a huge festival area. Somerset is in the south western part of England, south of Bristol. More than 500 acts will perform on 17 stages and camping facilities are available from Thursday till Monday. There is an info line providing information on performers and travel, call in the UK: +44 839 668899 For press and stalls enquiries, call in the UK:+44 1458 834596 The presales started on March 17. Admission is by advance ticket only and the tickets are ?75. Tickets can be obtained from the festival and from the usual ticket outlets. There will be 80.000 tickets available to the public till further notice. For tickets by post, write to: Glastonbury Festivals Ltd. Bristol BS38 7EN (no SAE required) Cheques and postal orders should be made payable to Glastonbury Festivals Ltd. (?77, 21 days for delivery, tickets are sent by registered mail). For tickets by phone, call in the UK (the number isn't available at the moment, maybe later this month):+44 1179 767868 National Express are running coaches from 34 locations around Britain to the festival, details are available from National Express:+44 990 808080 For a caravan or a motorhome you will need a separate advance ticket at ?20. Official information will be posted on the day before the festival begins !! Most of the bands listed on this page are only strong rumours and not confirmed by the festival organisation. Only when you go to the festival you can be sure that you can enjoy some of the bands listed here. Confirmed artists are indicated * Ani DiFranco * Ash * Baby Bird * The Beautiful South Black Sabbath Bluetones BR5-49 * Daft Punk * David Byrne * Chemical Brothers * Chuck Prophet * Coal Porters * Shawn Colvin * Neneh Cherry Sheryl Crow * The Daily Planet * Jonathan Fire Eater Fugees Fun Lovin' Criminals * Iona * James * Kula Shaker * Van Morrison * Manic Street Preachers Mixmaster Morris Ocean Colour Scene * The Orb * Oyster Band * Phish * Placebo * Prodigy * Radiohead * Lou Reed DJ Ritu Rolling Stones Smashing Pumpkins * Supergrass * Paul Weller * Neil Young * No Hawkwind :-( but Nik Turner will no doubt be playing on every cafe stage he possibly can :-) See you there, Keith From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Tue Apr 15 06:08:53 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:08:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag Message-ID: Hey Jill, How's about getting a photo of the single-in-the-bag, scanning it and making it accessible via the web so's us poor unfortunates will get an opportunity to see it? Mike P ---------- From: Jon Browne[SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: 14 April 1997 18:08 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In message <9704131656.aa28959 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >That's not entirely a fair question since I expect most other people >have other things they would rather do with 100 quid - or even *need* >to do. As I happened, yes, I could have used the 100 quid for >something else but I preferred to use it to collect something I >considered rare, valuable, unique, important and very special. And >whereas some folk will spend 100 odd quid road taxing their car or >buying a dress or books or holding a wild party, I bought a item of >great rarity. No apologies. > >jill Fair enough, no slight intended or aspersions cast. My question was from the view of someone who deals in collectibles for a living and hey, I sold a Batman #1 for 17,000 UKP, yes, about $30,000 for one comic so I'm not suggesting for an instant that you overpaid for this one! If anyone doesn't know this is *the* rarest and highest ticket of hawk-items. (As it goes, i'm a somewhat envious, not even knowing what it looks like!) I asked because I'm interested in the mechanics and gearage of collector- markets. And anyway, and more to the point as with any premium collectible, it's not like you couldn't get your money back *anytime* you liked. Please accept my apologies if my wording implied an error of judgement, as I certainly meant nothing of the sort. -- Jon Browne From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 15 06:29:20 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:29:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack again (no, not THAT one)! Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone else has come across this pressing oddity. Years back when I bought my Sonic Attack LP I found that I bought a pressing which had side A on both sides. I kept hold of it for a while thinking it might be valuable but eventually sold it off and bought a correct pressing. Does anyone know how many were pressed like this and if it has any collector's value? Mark Edmonds From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 15 13:34:07 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:34:07 BST Subject: Calvert's BLUEPRINTS... In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's message of Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:46:15 +1000 Message-ID: Can't remember who posted the original query but I can probably find a copy in the shops here for less than $ 50. If you'd like me to check around I can do. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK Tue Apr 15 14:00:43 1997 From: PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK (THE CIDER KING) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:00:43 GMT Subject: Buck Dharma Solo Concert in Atlanta Message-ID: Sounds like it was a great concert. ANy idea if the vid when it comes out will be available in PAL format, or is it planned only for NTSC? Cheers, Martin (who is thinking that a CD, video and T-shirt package sounds good, but a CD, video, T-shirt and new VCR sounds a bit too much) "And when the party's over, It's all over" - BLue Oyster Cult From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Apr 15 10:41:55 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:41:55 -0700 Subject: OFF- Rundgren rewls Message-ID: Well since were on the subject of Utopia backing band stints, I am trying to find a copy of Rick Derringer's Guitars and Women. Anyone. dane From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Apr 15 10:49:24 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:49:24 -0700 Subject: OFF- Rundgren rewls Message-ID: Now if it would just come out on CD! dane From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 15 13:07:07 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:07:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack again (no, not THAT one)! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Mark Edmonds writes >I was wondering if anyone else has come across this pressing oddity. >Years back when I bought my Sonic Attack LP I found that I bought a >pressing which had side A on both sides. I kept hold of it for a while >thinking it might be valuable but eventually sold it off and bought a >correct pressing. > >Does anyone know how many were pressed like this and if it has any >collector's value? > >Mark Edmonds Not as rare as a cloth bag single, but still a recognised rarity. I've got one, as has Jill and Simon and probably a few others. My guess, only a guess, mind you, is around 30 UKP. -- Jon Browne From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Apr 15 10:57:39 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:57:39 -0700 Subject: HW- Freq (greenfly and Message-ID: I don't know but it sure is a great song. Dane From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Apr 15 14:33:45 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:33:45 -0700 Subject: OFF- Rundgren rewls Message-ID: Now if it would just come out on CD! dane War Babies that is... From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Tue Apr 15 16:59:47 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:59:47 -0600 Subject: BOC:ftp lyrics Message-ID: I have been trying to get into the ftp.spc.edu site for two days now, no luck. Does anyone have the BOC lyrics saved and can you email them to me? Particularly looking for the Imaginos lyrics... Thanks Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 15 22:41:48 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 22:41:48 BST Subject: HW: Tubilah Dog (was) Underground Zero Again In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's message of Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:20:02 +1000 Message-ID: I'm sure I read something about Underground Zero the other day - it turns out they've released several albums - but I can't find it again now 8-( Anyhow I did unearth something about Tubilah Dog so here's a review printed in Crohinga Well not all that long ago: "Tubilah Dog is a name we've known since the 'Travellers Aid Trust' double compilation/benefit LP of 1988 (two contributions). Steve Mills founded the band in 1985 and kept it on the road for six years, constantly gigging at festivals, on many occasions with Hawkwind. Steve wrote and recorded "In Search of Plaice" over a period of two years, together with Dave Claridge. Other band members are Chris Beach (guitarist), Mat Ryder (bass) and Alf Hardy (keyboards). The album opens with the militant "Watching (while the revolution dies)", nice psychedelic folk rock like Moondragon with great stoned vocal samples. "Inside the Circle" tells about UFOs and crop circles in a piece of serenely floating folk with wierd alien voices. "Wyrd Romance" is totally warped and freaked-out psych rock with Sundial guitars burning. "Flowers in the Forest" is - like the title implies - a gentle folk instrumental. "Flat Broke + Busted" brings back the social edge, accompanied by spacy guitars and keyboards. "Friends" is wild guitar-driven psych rock with intense vocals. "Domitius" features superb psych with totally stoned-out-of-this-world vocals and keys and "OWV" concludes the album with Omnia Opera-styled space rock. "In Search of Plaice" is one of the better new British psych albums with its combination of festival rock and stoned folk vibes, like a cross between Thunderdogs and Flyte Reaction and therefore very recommended. And the good news is that Beard of Stars Records released this album as a CD *and* as a limited vinyl LP (in a real beautiful gatefold sleeve + poster)." Tubilah Dog "In Search of Plaice" (Beard of Stars Records / BOS 04) So there y'are! Good hunting. jill obfilm: The People vs Larry Flint ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Apr 15 18:34:39 1997 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:34:39 -0400 Subject: BOC:ftp lyrics In-Reply-To: from "Brad M. Lauchnor" at Apr 15, 97 02:59:47 pm Message-ID: >I have been trying to get into the ftp.spc.edu site for two days now, no luck. >Does anyone have the BOC lyrics saved and can you email them to me? Particularly >looking for the Imaginos lyrics... According to the sysadmin, there was a problem with the network driver that had locked up for the past 3 days. All has been corrected now and everything should be accessible. Sorry for the inconvenience. YnSSHM, Ben From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Tue Apr 15 19:55:00 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:55:00 -0600 Subject: BOC:ftp lyrics -Reply Message-ID: >>> Ben Cohen 04/15/97 04:34pm >>> >I have been trying to get into the ftp.spc.edu site for two days now, no luck. >Does anyone have the BOC lyrics saved and can you email them to me? Particularly >looking for the Imaginos lyrics... According to the sysadmin, there was a problem with the network driver that had locked up for the past 3 days. All has been corrected now and everything should be accessible. Sorry for the inconvenience. YnSSHM, Ben >>>>>>>> Yes! It's working just fine now. I guess I need to learn just a tiny bit more patience :) Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Apr 15 22:08:17 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 22:08:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: Bardo Pond In-Reply-To: <199704100036.TAA25973@wcic.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, John Majka wrote: (I asked if any of the following bands were worth investigating:) > > Bardo Pond > > Bardo Pond sounds like early Hawkwind jammed-out songs, sort of like the > first side of In Search Of Space. I recommend "Amanita" Well, I picked up _Amanita_ today and I love it. Thanks! John's description is rather apt. There's plenty of long, winding, stoned-out trippy jams on this 74+ minute CD. Some of them take a bit of time to build, but do so rather subtly, and to quite a crescendo. (Notable faves so far [after only one spin] are "Yellow Turban" and "RM.") So, is their other stuff as nice as this? It sounds like the sort of stuff that could easily dangerously descend into a self-indulgent weird noise fest if not handled well. They pull it of admirably on _Amanita_ (IMHO), but I wonder if they manage the same self-control on their other output. Oh, and whilst I'm here, does anyone have any thoughts on Skullflower? My local shop currently has _This is Skullflower_ reduced on sale. Is this worth picking up? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Bardo Pond, _Amanita_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Apr 15 22:48:43 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 22:48:43 -0400 Subject: OFF- Rundgren rewls Message-ID: Dane sez... Now if it would just come out on CD! dane War Babies that is... Oh, but it has, in Japan....I have it. obCDPlayer: Pete Townshend / All The Best Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes Craig From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Apr 15 22:58:35 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 22:58:35 -0400 Subject: OFF- Guitars and Wimmen Message-ID: Well since were on the subject of Utopia backing band stints, I am trying to find a copy of Rick Derringer's Guitars and Women. Anyone. dane On LP or CD (don't think that it has ever been released on CD)? Would a dub from on one-time played LP do? "Guitars and women, they cost and they take so damn much!" Craig Shipley From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Wed Apr 16 04:17:34 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 04:17:34 -0400 Subject: BOC: songs in the key of BOC Message-ID: In reference to the recent discussion about stuff that sounds like BOC: I always felt that "All Mixed Up" by the Cars sounded like something off of AOF. Also, anyone ever hear "Freewheelin'" by BTO? B-side of "You Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet" (lots of apostrophes on that 45). I'd swear to God those guys got it into their heads to do a "Buck's Boogie" knockoff, garnished with some "Harvester of Eyes" guitar stutter (lots of stuttering on that 45, too). Which, given their limitations, I find almost touching. I read a vicious review of one of their albums years ago which stated that all of the guitarist's solos started on the same note, but I lacked the stamina to check out the truth of the claim. (I was going to ask "Was the guitar player Randy?", but was afraid someone from the British contingent would reply "Yes, and fortunately for him he was Mormon, too" :-) From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 16 10:01:12 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:01:12 BST Subject: HW: Sonic Attack again (no, not THAT one)! In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:07:07 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In message , Mark Edmonds > >I was wondering if anyone else has come across this pressing oddity. > >Years back when I bought my Sonic Attack LP I found that I bought a > >pressing which had side A on both sides. I kept hold of it for a while > >thinking it might be valuable but eventually sold it off and bought a > >correct pressing. > > > >Does anyone know how many were pressed like this and if it has any > >collector's value? > > > >Mark Edmonds > > Not as rare as a cloth bag single, but still a recognised rarity. I've > got one, as has Jill and Simon and probably a few others. My guess, only > a guess, mind you, is around 30 UKP. > -- > Jon Browne yeah - they surface in 2nd hand vinyl shops occasionally. I traded for my copy with stuff (on paper at least) around the 30 UKP price range but there's always the chance it might appear cheaper in something like Record Collector sometime. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 16 10:12:38 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:12:38 BST Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: Mike Parkington's message of Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:08:53 +0100 Message-ID: Mike Parkington writes: > Hey Jill, > > How's about getting a photo of the single-in-the-bag, scanning it and > making it accessible via the web so's us poor unfortunates will get an > opportunity to see it? > > Mike P It'll be a very boring photo since there's almost nothing on the label at all and the cloth bag is, well, just a cloth bag with Sonic Attack stencilled on it 8-) If it helps then there are already two pics around (I'm assuming two since I'm sure that Rob Godwin's book *must* contain a picture of it). The other pic is the one in Record Collector along with Brian Tawn's discography and article. NB: Important - he also warns of forgeries (not surprisingly!) but apparently, so far, all the fakes have got the wrong kind of label on the disc since there are so few around that no-one has yet had an original to forge a copy from. However this could yet change so if you do ever see one for sale be very careful to check it out visually and find out how the seller got hold of it. On reflection - I'm just very slightly curious as to exactly what material the cloth bag is made from. Betcha it's a hemp cloth! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Wed Apr 16 10:15:55 1997 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:15:55 BST Subject: Off: Glastonbury Message-ID: UPDATE-UPDATE-UPDATE-UPDATE On Monday, Mendip district council compromised to increase the number of tickets for this years Glastonbury Festival from 80000 to 90000. So now there will be an extra 10000 tickets available. These will probably be sold through the credit card hotline: +44 1179 767868 N.B. Postal orders are no longer accepted. See you there, Keith From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Apr 16 05:39:03 1997 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 04:39:03 -0500 Subject: HW sonic attack Message-ID: I have sonic attack with same side twice too. I bought it in 87 in minneapolis, mn. It wasn't until a couple months ago that I was finally able to get the cd and finally hear the other side. I had no idea this would have any collector value. To make things worse shortly after that I bought space ritual alive II(double album), at the same store, only to find it contained the same record twice. Such is luck. -- Standing on the runway waiting for take off Dan Witt MInneapolis, MN USA From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Apr 16 06:07:10 1997 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 05:07:10 -0500 Subject: HW Wishart Message-ID: Does anybody know what Bridgett is doing now. I wish she could have stayed in the band. Her voice was unique and it fit in very nicely on songs like images and back in the box. If I'm correct she was in the Hippy Slags before hawkwind, and one of their songs was on the travelers aid compilation(great song). Over here the Hippy Slags are completely unheard of, but how well known were they in the uk? -- Standing on the runway waiting for take off Dan Witt MInneapolis, MN USA From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 16 07:01:14 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:01:14 +0100 Subject: HW Wishart In-Reply-To: <3354A4CE.37F1@earthlink.net> Message-ID: In article <3354A4CE.37F1 at earthlink.net>, Dan Witt writes >Does anybody know what Bridgett is doing now. I wish she could have >stayed in the band. Her voice was unique and it fit in very nicely on >songs like images and back in the box. Actually, I found her voice quite irritating! It was too weak and feeble and I'm afraid that I find Alan and Ron's voices bad as well. Dave - if you`re out there - get back to more singing! Please! Mark Edmonds From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 16 07:37:33 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:37:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: <9704161012.aa07325@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Actually, thinking about this single again: why was it pressed in the first place? Its not exactly peak time radio play material and as a promo, it only shows one aspect of the band's sound. Any ideas? If anyone has a spare copy, I have a cloth bag edition of The Never Ending Story of the Psychadelic Warlords for trade!! -- Mark Edmonds From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Apr 16 07:48:00 1997 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:48:00 EDT Subject: HW: US Tour Line up Message-ID: I got a package yesterday from Jim Lasko, who is overseeing the US tour details. In it it gives details of the band's requirements, including staging. An interesting note is that they have a spot for Allan at his usual stage right position. Now I imagine that this is "for planning purposes only" and not fixed in stone, but it seems we may get to see the classic HW we love, plus Ron and Jerry this summer. Rudy From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Apr 16 08:26:05 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:26:05 -0400 Subject: HW Wishart Message-ID: >In article <3354A4CE.37F1 at earthlink.net>, Dan Witt > writes >>Does anybody know what Bridgett is doing now. I wish she could have >>stayed in the band. Her voice was unique and it fit in very nicely on >>songs like images and back in the box. > >Actually, I found her voice quite irritating! It was too weak and feeble >and I'm afraid that I find Alan and Ron's voices bad as well. Dave - if >you`re out there - get back to more singing! Please! I dunno, I felt it was a nice change of pace for a time. Space Bandits remains one of my favorite latter-day Hawkwind albums. In particular I like Black Elk, it's always on the setlist on the player... Oh, I've been meaning to ask, on one of the Hawkwind song polls on one of the web pages, there is a song "Star Song" that didn't receive enough votes to qualify for the overall voting, but was listed as the highest rated song if this were not taken into account... I seem to remember this being attributed to Wishart.... +----------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff of the Amtgard Barony of Silverwater| (Kingdom of the Burning Lands), aka | Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +---------------------------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Wed Apr 16 08:27:41 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:27:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag Message-ID: Rumour has it that it is one of Dave Brock's old socks? On reflection - I'm just very slightly curious as to exactly what material the cloth bag is made from. Betcha it's a hemp cloth! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Wed Apr 16 09:09:24 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:09:24 E Subject: OFF: Bardo Pond Message-ID: All I could find in my files of info on Skuul flower sorry Skullflower is: Skullflower- Argon ..........$12.99 Skullflower- Obsidian Shaking Codex........ $13.99 from rpm records. If I recall noise/metalesque but without the cheesy lyrics. I could be wrong but Me thinks they are all instrumental. In looking them up they were compared to Sonic Youth and a band called Aracnoid. cheers, bryan From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 16 09:51:14 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:51:14 -0400 Subject: BOC: Some news Message-ID: According to Eric and Bolle on AOL the other day, there is an album in the works from the Summerdaze concert series -- sounds like there will be 3 tracks from each of the 4 artists. Eric says that BOC's contributions will be 1 new song, plus 2 of "The Big 3". According to Bolle, George Geranios is submitting some soundboard tapes to the producers of this project, but interestingly enough, these tapes won't be from 1997, but from 1992! However, Bolle says these tapes are of exceptional quality, and should be some fine recordings for our ears - the possible source is a soundboard tape from 1992 (June 6th) in Moscow, Idaho -- rumor has it (and I heard this elsewhere, not from Eric, Bolle, or anyone on AOL) that this recording may turn up (or already has) elsewhere. More details if I find them. John PS: Where is Moscow (Idaho, not Russia)? From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 16 14:58:52 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:58:52 BST Subject: OFF : High Fidelity In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:41:44 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In message <9704092302.aa02743 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge > writes > >ok - you can all go back to reading 'High Fidelity' now 8-) > > > >jill > > Read it a couple of months ago. Can't say I recommend it. I found it a > bit depressing really, and I disliked the attitude that > collectors/enthusiasts are that immersed in records/comics/ > trains/whatever because of an inability to function on a normal social > level. I actually think it's a bit sad that no-one goes trainspotting > anymore because of the social stigma attached to it. Enthusiasts in a > very real way catalog and preserve our culture for the future and I > honestly think it's pretty disgusting the way innocent passions are > derided. Not that "High Fidelity" is *that* down on collectors, I'm > digressing a bit, but it's not entirely innocent of that either and it's > hardly a celebration of the joys of finding Sun or BlueBeat originals > but rather it's saying that if you find *that* much pleasure in (in this > case) records rather than OTHER PEOPLE then there's something wrong with > you. A position I don't agree with. Sorry. BTW I have a lovely wife and > two kids, an annoyingly full life and make no apologies for not going > out much anymore. On the other hand, the book is killingly funny on men's attitudes to relationships. At one point in the book ("Oh, so she didn't reject me after all, I should have done this years ago...") I laughed so hard that I couldn't read for ten minutes because of tears streaming from my eyes. I haven't laughed so hard since Life of Brian. > Jon Browne FoFP From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Apr 16 09:59:14 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:59:14 -0600 Subject: BOC Sound Alikes/Tribute CD Message-ID: > >Chris Baker>"Also, anyone ever hear "Freewheelin'" by BTO? B-side of "You >Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet" (lots of apostrophes on that 45). I'd swear to God >those guys got it into their heads to do a "Buck's Boogie" knockoff, >garnished with some "Harvester of Eyes" guitar stutter (lots of stuttering on >that 45, too). Which, given their limitations, I find almost touching. I >read a vicious review of one of their albums years ago which stated that all >of the guitarist's solos started on the same note, but I lacked the stamina >to check out the truth of the claim." > Good call on Freewheelin'. You could probably slip Freewheelin' on a BOC comp tape to introduce the band to a friend. There are some BOC elements in Threshold's In the Light. Song has way too many changeups to really sound like a BOC song but it too has its moments. Perhaps we should ressurect the BOC tribute cd thread again. What artists should cover BOC songs? I vote for George Clinton doing ETI, Siagon Kick covering Transmaniacon MC, Gary Hoey, Buck's Boogie, and Primus, Monsters. lil' ab obcd - Gary Hoey - Bug Alley >Hair Band of the Day - Scorpions From corwin at ROPNET.RU Wed Apr 16 10:31:10 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:31:10 +0400 Subject: HW: Dave Brock Message-ID: I tried to find any information on Dave Brock biography but didn't find anything. So anyone knows his biograohy: when and where he was born, what he did before he started palying guitar and before Hawkwind? Corwin From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Apr 16 10:31:00 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 00:31:00 +1000 Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: Hi All, Well, over the last few days I've been doing a bit of of BOC listening for the first time (I've listened to some before, but not very carefully). I've got Cultosaurus, and today bought Agents of Fortune. Perhaps it's just not my thing, but most of the music sounds like poor rock - having little substance, sounding like much of the stuff you get on crappy popular radio stations. The only songs I can listen to more than once are Black Sword and (Don't Fear) the Reaper. I've also heard all of the other Moorcock ones, which I love, but that's about it. Is there something I'm missing? Are these two albums not a fair representation of them? Or is it one of those things you get used to after a while? At present, I really don't see any connection between HW and BOC, thematically, musically, etc., apart from Moorcock. What other albums do people suggest? Imaginos sounds good, from what I hear of it... Well, who knows... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From corwin at ROPNET.RU Wed Apr 16 10:34:36 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:34:36 +0400 Subject: HW: Night Of The Hawk Message-ID: I wonder who played violin on Night Of The Hawk video? (He was shown too rarely so I couldn't recognize him.) Is he Simon House? Corwin From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 16 15:32:37 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:32:37 BST Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:26:52 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > Just out of interest, who out there would pay 100UKP for this rarest of > all HW singles, given a once-only opportunity? I paid more than 100 quid for mine. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 16 15:43:47 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:43:47 BST Subject: Off: Glastonbury In-Reply-To: Andy C's message of Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:41:44 +0100 Message-ID: Andy C writes: > > Looking for Glastonbury web site or at least a list > of whos playing this year. Any ideas ? Does it matter? OTOH, the fire in the tented city of Pilgrims over Mecca way made me wonder whether putting 14 foot steel fences in a ring around the tented city of Glastonbury might in retrospect seem to have been A Bad Idea after a quarter of a million would-be hippies are immolated. A reasonable distance between tents and a sober safety first attitude to fire are not noted features of the experience. > Andy FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 16 15:46:58 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:46:58 BST Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: Derrick Chilton's message of Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:08:41 +0100 Message-ID: Derrick Chilton writes: > >> From: J Strobridge > > > >> > Just out of interest, who out there would pay 100UKP for this rarest of > >> > all HW singles, given a once-only opportunity? > > If you did not buy it you would regret it for a long time. > Just think of the gloat factor when looking though your collection and you > accidently stumble across your Sonic Attack eh. > I saw the 7" Hurry on Sundown Promo once, the asking price was 70, I was > torn in half wether to get it or not, when I did decide to the next day > it was sold...AAARRGGHHH. I've bought two of those in my time (one for Bernhard perhaps?) both for around 50 quid so 70 wouldn't be much out of order at current prices. > Derrick... FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 16 15:49:03 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:49:03 BST Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Mon, 14 Apr 1997 18:08:19 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: [about the Sonic Attack cloth-bag 7"] > Fair enough, no slight intended or aspersions cast. My question was from > the view of someone who deals in collectibles for a living and hey, I > sold a Batman #1 for 17,000 UKP, yes, about $30,000 for one comic so I'm > not suggesting for an instant that you overpaid for this one! If anyone > doesn't know this is *the* rarest and highest ticket of hawk-items. Oh. I dunno about that. > Jon Browne FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 16 15:57:48 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:57:48 BST Subject: HW: Tubilah Dog (was) Underground Zero Again In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Tue, 15 Apr 1997 22:41:48 BST Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > obfilm: The People vs Larry Flint I saw this on cable while in Canada. Interestingly I picked up a copy of High Times when I was over there and noted that Woody Harrelson had got so into the part that he'd taken on a ridiculous law in his home state (Louisiana?) Apparently if you were arrested for a pot offence, then any hemp products you owned, like say a pair of jeans or a canvas bag, could be included in the weight of the pot you were arragned on. This could have the effect of turning an arrest for a sly smoke into a major dealing offence. Woody theatrically grew four plants and took on the law and won. Of course he still has to beat the actual indictment for growing four plants now. Seems to me that the U.S still hasn't recovered from the Prohibition era. If the inevitable happens and drugs are legalised/medicalised, I wonder what they'll pick on to Prohibit next. FoFP "Turing Police. We're arresting you for posession of an illegal AI" From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Apr 16 11:02:23 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 23:02:23 +0800 Subject: HW: Night Of The Hawk Message-ID: corwin wrote: > > I wonder who played violin on Night Of The Hawk video? (He was shown too > rarely so I couldn't recognize him.) Is he Simon House? > I read somewhere that it was Fred Reeves. Could be wrong though!?!? William From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Apr 16 11:23:24 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:23:24 -0400 Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: >Hi All, > > Well, over the last few days I've been doing a bit of of BOC listening >for the first time (I've listened to some before, but not very >carefully). I've got Cultosaurus, and today bought Agents of Fortune. > Perhaps it's just not my thing, but most of the music sounds like poor >rock - having little substance, sounding like much of the stuff you get >on crappy popular radio stations. The only songs I can listen to more >than once are Black Sword and (Don't Fear) the Reaper. I've also heard >all of the other Moorcock ones, which I love, but that's about it. > Is there something I'm missing? Are these two albums not a fair >representation of them? Or is it one of those things you get used to >after a while? Well, I'd suggest trying to let ETI and Vera grow on you a bit, but really, you're missing the first three albums, all of which are pretty well essential BOC. I can't promise you'll like them, but I can recommend them. Especially Secret Treaties. Oh, yeah, and Imaginos. If you can listen to those four and still not like BOC, I think I can safely say you don't like BOC. +----------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff of the Amtgard Barony of Silverwater| (Kingdom of the Burning Lands), aka | Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +---------------------------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 16 11:36:28 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:36:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: Cover Thread Message-ID: Adrian muses: >Perhaps we should ressurect the BOC tribute cd thread again. What artists should cover BOC songs? I vote for George Clinton doing ETI, Siagon Kick covering Transmaniacon MC, Gary Hoey, Buck's Boogie, and Primus, Monsters. O.K., here's a few off the top of my head: Veruca Salt - Tattoo Vampire Collective Soul - I Am the One You Warned Me Of Presidents of the U.S.A. - Teen Archer Joe Satriani/Stu Hamm - instrumental version of The Reaper (have Stu play the basic guitar figure on bass, and have Joe do the vocal figures, embellished as only he can, on guitar) Red Hot Chilli Peppers - Hot Rails to Hell KISS - Godzilla (could make a COOL video) Rush - Redeemed Savatage - Cities on Flame Metallica - Frankenstein John From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Apr 16 11:15:01 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:15:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Tubilah Dog (was) Underground Zero Again In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:57:48 -0000." <9704161557.aa07168@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: > > FoFP > > "Turing Police. We're arresting you for posession of an illegal AI" Looks like you've been reading too much of William Gibson's _Neuromancer_ :) cheers, Tim ObGripe: Being in Colorado Springs on business the week _before_ BOC & Eric Johnson gig there. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 16 11:45:12 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:45:12 EDT Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: > From: "Andrew A. Apold" > >Hi All, > > > > Well, over the last few days I've been doing a bit of of BOC listening > >for the first time (I've listened to some before, but not very > >carefully). I've got Cultosaurus, and today bought Agents of Fortune. > > Perhaps it's just not my thing, but most of the music sounds like poor > >rock - having little substance, sounding like much of the stuff you get > >on crappy popular radio stations. The only songs I can listen to more > >than once are Black Sword and (Don't Fear) the Reaper. I've also heard > >all of the other Moorcock ones, which I love, but that's about it. > > Is there something I'm missing? Are these two albums not a fair > >representation of them? Or is it one of those things you get used to > >after a while? > > Well, I'd suggest trying to let ETI and Vera grow on you a bit, but really, > you're missing the first three albums, all of which are pretty well essential > BOC. I can't promise you'll like them, but I can recommend them. > Especially Secret Treaties. > > Oh, yeah, and Imaginos. If you can listen to those four and still not like > BOC, I think I can safely say you don't like BOC. > > Hey dude [not Baron Shrub.] maybe you should hook up with Guido? He holds BOC in a similar low esteem... theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 16 12:46:33 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:46:33 -0400 Subject: BOC: Cover Thread Message-ID: >O.K., here's a few off the top of my head: Veruca Salt - Tattoo Vampire Collective Soul - I Am the One You Warned Me Of Presidents of the U.S.A. - Teen Archer Joe Satriani/Stu Hamm - instrumental version of The Reaper (have Stu play the basic guitar figure on bass, and have Joe do the vocal figures, embellished as only he can, on guitar) Red Hot Chilli Peppers - Hot Rails to Hell KISS - Godzilla (could make a COOL video) Rush - Redeemed Savatage - Cities on Flame Metallica - Frankenstein Oops, forgot to add one more... Spinal Tap - Let Go ;-) John From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Apr 16 13:09:14 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:09:14 +1000 Subject: HW: Updates Message-ID: WOW! Just a couple of minutes ago the HW site was updated, that is, the list of EBS releases - ICU - Passout!!!(oh my god!!!!) Sphynx! Bainbridge! Whoever the hell Compassion, Lost in Space are... The complete Spiral Realms!!! Looks like the next couple of months are going to be bloody good (and I'm going to be bloody poor...). PS Sorry about all the !!!'s in this post, but as you may understand... (!) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Apr 16 13:38:34 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:38:34 -0400 Subject: OFF: Bardo Pond Message-ID: Paul remains curious about... > >(I asked if any of the following bands were worth investigating:) > >>> Bardo Pond >Oh, and whilst I'm here, does anyone have any thoughts on Skullflower? My >local shop currently has _This is Skullflower_ reduced on sale. Is this >worth picking up? I dunno about this disc, but I do have one disc of theirs...I think it's called Transformer (or something similar...I can't recall if that's it or that I'm just confused by the Lou Reed album of the same name). I haven't listened to it much, as it's not really my kind of stuff...I liken it to the little bit of Spaceman 3 that I've heard (which isn't really my kind of stuff either). Particularly in the 'droning' aspect...Skullflower uses multiple layers of distorted guitar, without much other instrumentation (other than drums). Seldom do they have much of a melodic line, and they put out quite a lot of noise at times. But you also asked about Faust (right?)...which I recommend whole-heartedly. I have gotten four of their discs...So far, IV, Tapes, and 71 minutes of... All have moments of absolute brilliance. I'd say So Far and IV are my picks of the lot. IV (Caroline) and 71 minutes of... (Cuneiform?) are available (or at least *were*) in the US...So Far is a Japan-only release I think (perhaps Germany as well?). They are highly experimental at times, showing some similarities to Can and other contemporary German groups. There is a bit of repetition in their use of a common rhythm/melody amongst different albums...sort of like doing variations on their earlier themes. They're always different enough to categorise as 'creating something new from something old' (a la HW's 'remakes' on Electric Tepee and It's the Biz) as opposed to running out of ideas. The guitar sound is often heavily distorted, but it's not of the heavy, Bob Mould-style, but more of a rather thin and bright tone, if you know what I mean. Hope this helps....Keith H. (FAA) ObCD's: Agitation Free - all three From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Apr 16 13:43:36 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:43:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Updates In-Reply-To: <335507BA.802@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Max Wilcox wrote: > WOW! > > Just a couple of minutes ago the HW site was updated, that is, the list > of EBS releases - ICU - Passout!!!(oh my god!!!!) Sphynx! Bainbridge! > Whoever the hell Compassion, Lost in Space are... The complete Spiral > Realms!!! > Looks like the next couple of months are going to be bloody good (and > I'm going to be bloody poor...). > PS Sorry about all the !!!'s in this post, but as you may understand... > (!) I wonder if the EBS version of the _Passout_ CD will have all the extra tracks that the Oldhitz CD release of _Passout_ had? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Bardo Pond, _Amanita_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Apr 16 12:32:37 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:32:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: King Crimson's Epitaph Message-ID: Hey Folks-- Anyone know where I can get KC's Epitaph? Is it a 4 CD set, or a 2 CD regular release with 2 other CDs you have to leap through flaming hoops to get? Whats . . . uh . . . the deal? :-) Please pardon the lack of topicality, but I need help finding this thing. Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Apr 16 14:52:04 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:52:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: King Crimson's Epitaph In-Reply-To: <9704161632.AA17822@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Guido Vacano wrote: > Anyone know where I can get KC's Epitaph? Is it a 4 CD set, or a 2 > CD regular release with 2 other CDs you have to leap through flaming > hoops to get? Whats . . . uh . . . the deal? :-) According to ET, April 29 for the U.S.A. It's available everywhere else already. This is the 2-CD set that will be available at stores. The 4-CD set will only be available by mail-order from Possible Productions / DGM (I forget which one is no longer existent). Fripp advises that the 3rd and 4th CDs, though remastered / cleaned up as much as possible, are still pretty bad-sounding, compared to the boots of the same concerts. I don't know if this is the case for sure, since I haven't heard anything from it yet, but I think someone else said, "It isn't that bad". I don't know if I'll be buying the 2-CD set or the 4-CD set yet. Damon From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Apr 16 15:09:39 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 05:09:39 +1000 Subject: HW: Updates Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > I wonder if the EBS version of the _Passout_ CD will have all the extra > tracks that the Oldhitz CD release of _Passout_ had? I hope so. But hell, I've been wanting this one for ages, now. So I don't really care too much. I hope this signals EBS releasing all of the other ICU albums - that would be *GREAT*. It's interesting that they're releasing Nik's old stuff, as I rather got the impression that Nik and Brock were not on the friendliest of terms. Some kind of reconciliation perhaps? Not too likely, I'd say... I wonder if you can pre order the albums that are going to be released in the next couple of months? I'd love to get my grubby little hands on them as soon as possible, as it were. Well... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Apr 16 15:20:13 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:20:13 -0400 Subject: King Crimson's Epitaph Message-ID: Guten Tag, Herr Doktor! I just checked CDNow and they indicate that the 2 CD set is not available yet (i.e. not released yet). They did not provide a release date. Didn't check to see if they would allow you to order it ahead of the release date. Do you know if it has been officially released yet? Craig ---------- From: Guido Vacano[SMTP:gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 1997 12:32 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF: King Crimson's Epitaph Hey Folks-- Anyone know where I can get KC's Epitaph? Is it a 4 CD set, or a 2 CD regular release with 2 other CDs you have to leap through flaming hoops to get? Whats . . . uh . . . the deal? :-) Please pardon the lack of topicality, but I need help finding this thing. Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From torgo at NORWICH.NET Wed Apr 16 15:31:43 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:31:43 -0400 Subject: BOC: Songs in the key of BOC Message-ID: Hi folks: >Also, anyone ever hear "Freewheelin'" by BTO? B-side of "You Ain't Seen >Nothin' Yet" (lots of apostrophes on that 45). I'd swear to God those guys >got it into their heads to do a "Buck's Boogie" knockoff, garnished with some >"Harvester of Eyes" guitar stutter (lots of stuttering on that 45, too). > Which, given their limitations, I find almost touching. I read a vicious >review of one of their albums years ago which stated that all of the >guitarist's solos started on the same note, but I lacked the stamina to check >out the truth of the claim. I have always kinda liked "Freewheelin". BTO was the first real fave band I had when I was like 11 years old and heard "Takin care...." on the radio. In fact, the NOT FRAGILE album with that tune on it was the very first record I ever owned (got it for x-mas when I asked for "takin care.....") ALways had a soft spot in my heart for that album, I guess everyone does for the first record they ever owned, unless of course your first album was by someone REALLY bad. Never really thought about the Freewheelin/bucks connection, but now that you say it I can almost hear it. Freewheelin always kinda put me in mind of "frankenstein" a bit, but that's just my ears. Torgo has left the building..... torgo at norwich.net *********************************************************** "Its just me and 6 guys I met on the Internet, Having breakfast together at Denny's." -David Letterman on How he spent his 50th birthday. *********************************************************** From ShariHill at AOL.COM Wed Apr 16 15:51:15 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:51:15 -0400 Subject: OFF- Guitars and Wimmen Message-ID: In a message dated 4/15/97 11:18:45 PM, you wrote: >"Guitars and women, they cost and they take so damn much!" Only the ones that are worth it, my dear! ;-) Shari From ShariHill at AOL.COM Wed Apr 16 15:58:04 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:58:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: In a message dated 4/16/97 1:31:08 PM, you wrote: > Is there something I'm missing? Are these two albums not a fair >representation of them? Or is it one of those things you get used to >after a while? > At present, I really don't see any connection between HW and BOC, >thematically, musically, etc., apart from Moorcock. > What other albums do people suggest? Imaginos sounds good, from what I >hear of it... Well, I'm a fairly new BOCer, too, and although I like the tapes you mentioned, I heard them after I had already decided I liked some of the bands other offerings. The one that got me hooked was Fire of Unknown Origin--some of the songs are kind of campy, some are great, especially, IMO, "Vengeance (The Pact)" and "Veteran of the Psychic Wars". Imaginos is one of the best I've heard so far, in terms of both music and lyrics, and there is a live cd I really like--I think it's called ETI Live. Shari From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 16 16:06:23 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:06:23 -0400 Subject: OFF- Guitars and Wimmen Message-ID: >>"Guitars and women, they cost and they take so damn much!" >Only the ones that are worth it, my dear! ;-) Well as far as guitars (basses actually) go, I only use the cheap ones . . . John From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Apr 16 17:12:37 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:12:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: King Crimson's Epitaph Message-ID: In a message dated 97-04-16 14:54:19 EDT, you write: << Anyone know where I can get KC's Epitaph? >> Say, is this some new collection or something? I was just listening to the song Epitaph yesterday, if that's all your referring to... SET From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Wed Apr 16 20:22:05 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:22:05 -0700 Subject: HW: Levitation cover Message-ID: Just reminding that Lownmower Death did a cover of "Motorhead" about five years ago or so. Don't recall the album. But, having a pretty good collection of metal myself, there are very few Hawkkovers...the band Vardis (silver machine) on the BOC-L cover tapes sounds like a mediocre '80s metal band... Those are the only I know of. If there's one metal band that I'm surprised never did a HW cover, it's Kansas' obscure Manilla Road, though there is a line in the song "The Ninth Wave" -- "warriors at the end of time, masters of light..." Chuck > > >(If you count the song "Motorhead" as a Hawkwind song, then > >a lot more metal bands than you might think have covered HW > >music.) > > Those ever luvin' funsters Primal Scream do "Motorhead" on their new LP, > out in a week or two, BTW. Apparently, this ones more like Screamadelica > than the last R'n'B based effort. > -- > Jon Browne From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Apr 16 19:32:44 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 19:32:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: King Crimson's Epitaph In-Reply-To: <970416171130_672662506@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "Steven Tice" at Apr 16, 97 05:12:37 pm Message-ID: Hello Steve-- > In a message dated 97-04-16 14:54:19 EDT, you write: > > << Anyone know where I can get KC's Epitaph? >> > > Say, is this some new collection or something? I was just listening to the > song Epitaph yesterday, if that's all your referring to... No, it's a 2 (or 4, if you order from Discipline Global Mobile) CD set of live material from 1969. I'm a Fripp/King Crimson nut, and I've had unusual difficulties getting this thing. :-P Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Apr 16 21:44:19 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:44:19 -0400 Subject: US Tour Line up Message-ID: > I got a package yesterday from Jim Lasko, who is overseeing the US tour > details. In it it gives details of the band's requirements, including > staging. An interesting note is that they have a spot for Allan at his > usual stage right position. Now I imagine that this is "for planning > purposes only" and not fixed in stone, but it seems we may get to see the > classic HW we love, plus Ron and Jerry this summer. Yes, but notice the date on the diagram- Oct. 96. Don't get your hopes >too< high. Not to dash your hopes- I'm hopin' with ya. rj > Rudy From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Apr 16 23:44:50 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:44:50 -0500 Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: > > Well, over the last few days I've been doing a bit of of BOC listening >for the first time (I've listened to some before, but not very >carefully). I've got Cultosaurus, and today bought Agents of Fortune. > Perhaps it's just not my thing, but most of the music sounds like poor >rock - having little substance, sounding like much of the stuff you get >on crappy popular radio stations. The only songs I can listen to more >than once are Black Sword and (Don't Fear) the Reaper. I've also heard >all of the other Moorcock ones, which I love, but that's about it. > Is there something I'm missing? Are these two albums not a fair >representation of them? Or is it one of those things you get used to >after a while? > At present, I really don't see any connection between HW and BOC, >thematically, musically, etc., apart from Moorcock. Yeah, I gave BOC the first serious listen as a result of being on this list for HW for some time. I bought "Workshop of the Telescopes" and I liked "Don't Fear The Reaper" and "Veteran of the Psychic Wars," but had little tolerance at all for anything else on the 2-disc set. I'm not trying to antagonize the BOC people, but some of these songs are really horrible, like "The Marshall Plan," with its rock-anthem-cum-cliche about dreams of rock and roll stardom. It just seems dopey and tinged with an adolescent romanticism. Ditto with many of the other songs. This kind of stuff is in fact what I think of when I try to summarize bad 70's/early 80's Rock and Roll (capital letters mandatory in this case). I can't see any relationship whatever between HW and BOC aside from Moorcock's involvement with both bands. They really have virtually nothing in common either musically or in terms of general outlook/point of view. BOC is ROCK, but Hawkwind is certainly something very different from that term. "Kick Ass Rock And Roll" is thankfully not much in evidence these days (good riddance!), perhaps evidenced by the lack of BOC's recorded output. What's it been--ten years? fifteen?--since BOC put out an album of new stuff? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 17 00:09:23 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 00:09:23 -0400 Subject: Picking on stuff Message-ID: As long as we're picking on stuff, I picked up Nik Turner's 1994 Space Ritual and was kinda of unmoved by it. It was all competently performed and seemed far better than Nik's studio stuff, but to me it still doesn't hold a candle next to say, The Business Trip... The part I found the most interesting as far as new stuff were the flute tracks (side 1 from King onwards) but that wasn't really what I was expecting... From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 17 00:36:01 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:36:01 -0700 Subject: OFF: custom bootleg CD's via WWW Message-ID: Here's a cut and paste job I did from the text of a web page I came across while surfing through heavy metal websites. It's kind of off-topic, but the topic of CD-R came up about a month back, I think. Here we have somebody actually promoting himself. What's the cost of a CD-R? His price says $15, and I am wondering what profit margin that is for him. Of course, there's his time as well, but if he has a fancy CD changer he can program it all in. I am just curious how much money he will be making on this. Of course, this kind of bootleg piracy is pretty low in my opinion. No royalties will be sent to any of the bands I am sure. I don't mind a sampler to help out a band, but CD is a pretty good format and a lot of people are really going to be tempted to go this route. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CUSTOM METAL CD'S : 74 min. $15 each Okay, so I haven't been around in a while, I've been busy with other things, such as Scaean Gates, an Exxplorer homepage, and oh yeah, SCHOOL.... With all the competition out there, I've given up on trying to serve as a catalog of bands. But I do have a NEW service to offer, with the use of my CD-burner: custom metal CD's. Instructions: Take a look at my COLLECTION. If you need tracklists or anything, write me at fear at pwc.mv.com. Make a list of songs you'd like to have on a CD, up to 74 minutes. For now it will have to be limited to material I own on CD, but in the near future I hope to be able to offer cassette and vinyl (on which I will do limited noise reduction). I hope to hear from you, please feel free to ask anything! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you want to go see this site for yourself, the URL is http://www.mv.com/ipusers/pwc/fear/metal.htm --------Bryan Young-----------blyoung @ hotmail.com--- ------------------------CANADA------------------------ -Visit my Hawkwind website------Recently Updated!----- -------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 -------- From jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM Thu Apr 17 02:15:45 1997 From: jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM (Jill Douglas) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 07:15:45 +0100 Subject: Off: King Crimson Message-ID: Hi All esp Guido, Tonight I see Wetton There is a god! Jill Douglas From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Thu Apr 17 03:34:42 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:34:42 -0400 Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: John Majka wrote: > BOC is ROCK, but Hawkwind is certainly something very different from that term Gee, John, can I quote you on that? I'm certainly happy that Moorcock completists are getting suckered into buying BOC releases--almost as happy as I am that Moorcock's association with the band was so brief. And the resultant tantrums are so richly entertaining. From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 17 10:02:33 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:02:33 BST Subject: HW: Tubilah Dog (was) Underground Zero Again In-Reply-To: bart's message of Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:15:01 +0100 Message-ID: bart writes: > > > > FoFP > > > > "Turing Police. We're arresting you for posession of an illegal AI" > > Looks like you've been reading too much of William Gibson's _Neuromancer_ :) > > cheers, > > > Tim > > > ObGripe: Being in Colorado Springs on business the week _before_ BOC & Eric > Johnson gig there. A flying visit hey? It wasn't you that nicked that American Air Force plane with all its missiles then. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 17 10:18:43 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:18:43 BST Subject: HW: Dave Brock In-Reply-To: corwin's message of Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:31:10 +0400 Message-ID: corwin writes: > I tried to find any information on Dave Brock biography but didn't find > anything. So anyone knows his biograohy: when and where he was born, > what he did before he started palying guitar and before Hawkwind? > Corwin Brian Tawn's got an article in Record Collector and there's one in the Crohinga Well mag. Can't remember off hand where he was born but he spent most of his formative (musical) years playing Blues in bands around Germany and Holland on a kind of errrm 'free-floating' basis. Played the banjo (I think) as well as guitar but tended to improvise his instruments - putting extra strings on and such like. He did a lot of gigging around London about the time of Eric Clapton and the Yardbirds and a fair amount of busking too. 'Bring It On Home', 'Dealing With The Devil' are from that period. The Dharma Blues band is the main band usually mentioned but there's nothing recorded by them while Brock was with them. There was also Tent 67 with Nik Turner and others somewhere over in Holland and then later Group X and finally Hawkwind Zoo. I think that's right (from memory) but E&OE - just in case! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 17 10:21:41 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:21:41 BST Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: Mike Parkington's message of Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:27:41 +0100 Message-ID: Mike Parkington writes: > > On reflection - I'm just very slightly curious as to exactly what > > material the cloth bag is made from. Betcha it's a hemp cloth! > > > > jill > > Rumour has it that it is one of Dave Brock's old socks? > better not to eat it then. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 17 10:22:43 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:22:43 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Updates Message-ID: On tor 17 apr 1997 05.09 "Max Wilcox" wrote: > It's interesting that they're releasing Nik's old stuff, as I > rather got the impression that Nik and Brock were not on the friendliest > of terms. > Some kind of reconciliation perhaps? Not too likely, I'd say... The word from Chris Bruce at the end of '95 was that Brock and Nik had made up. 'Course that's long ago in Hawkyears by now. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of Anglo-Saxon Norse & Celtic, Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 17 10:26:13 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:26:13 BST Subject: HW Wishart In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:26:05 -0400 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > Oh, I've been meaning to ask, on one of the Hawkwind song polls on > one of the web pages, there is a song "Star Song" that didn't receive > enough votes to qualify for the overall voting, but was listed as the > highest rated song if this were not taken into account... I seem to > remember this being attributed to Wishart.... Mainly because she sang the lyrics and that it does sound similar in style to the Hippy Slags track on the TAT album. FoFP From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 17 10:26:52 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:26:52 BST Subject: HW Wishart In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:26:05 -0400 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > Oh, I've been meaning to ask, on one of the Hawkwind song polls on > one of the web pages, there is a song "Star Song" that didn't receive > enough votes to qualify for the overall voting, but was listed as the > highest rated song if this were not taken into account... I seem to > remember this being attributed to Wishart.... she left the band before this song ever got itself officially onto an album. It was probably going to be called "Eons" since this name appears on the California Brainstorm album but her song doesn't. You can hear it on one the the videos (Night of the Hawk??) either in the middle of Brainstorm or Damnation Alley - I forget which. It's a nice song - pity it never made it on to vinyl. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 16 13:10:29 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:10:29 +0100 Subject: Off: Glastonbury In-Reply-To: <9704161543.aa04064@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9704161543.aa04064 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >Andy C writes: > >> >> Looking for Glastonbury web site or at least a list >> of whos playing this year. Any ideas ? > >Does it matter? > >OTOH, the fire in the tented city of Pilgrims over Mecca way made me >wonder whether putting 14 foot steel fences in a ring around the tented >city of Glastonbury might in retrospect seem to have been A Bad Idea >after a quarter of a million would-be hippies are immolated. A >reasonable distance between tents and a sober safety first attitude to >fire are not noted features of the experience. > I've seen a tent go up. Not pretty. Funnier was a dust-devil or mini- whirlwind taking my friends tent fifteen foot off the ground while we watched! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 17 05:37:46 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:37:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Updates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Paul Mather writes >I wonder if the EBS version of the _Passout_ CD will have all the extra >tracks that the Oldhitz CD release of _Passout_ had? > >Cheers, > >Paul. yeah, Killer "Bones Of Elvis" and "Spirit Of The Age" versions. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 17 05:34:11 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:34:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: <9704161549.aa04848@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9704161549.aa04848 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes that I wrote...> >[about the Sonic Attack cloth-bag 7"] > >> Fair enough, no slight intended or aspersions cast. My question was from >> the view of someone who deals in collectibles for a living and hey, I >> sold a Batman #1 for 17,000 UKP, yes, about $30,000 for one comic so I'm >> not suggesting for an instant that you overpaid for this one! If anyone >> doesn't know this is *the* rarest and highest ticket of hawk-items. > >Oh. I dunno about that. > >FoFP I bow to your greater knowledge. Is there a clearly "rarest" item, then? Would it be the Italian Hassan 7"? Do the BBC Transcription disc count? Boots don't IMO, even if there are only 7 copies! -- Jon Browne From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Apr 17 07:24:47 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 07:24:47 -0400 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag Message-ID: > >> Fair enough, no slight intended or aspersions cast. My question was from > >> the view of someone who deals in collectibles for a living and hey, I > >> sold a Batman #1 for 17,000 UKP, yes, about $30,000 for one comic so I'm > >> not suggesting for an instant that you overpaid for this one! If anyone > >> doesn't know this is *the* rarest and highest ticket of hawk-items. > > > >Oh. I dunno about that. > > > >FoFP > I bow to your greater knowledge. Is there a clearly "rarest" item, then? > Would it be the Italian Hassan 7"? Do the BBC Transcription disc count? > Boots don't IMO, even if there are only 7 copies! its probably that acetate thingy that brian tawn is so fond of. doesn't he have the only copy in existence? i don't remember what it is, but it was mentioned in one of the hawkfan issues, and i saw it mentioned on this list once... rj From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Apr 17 07:23:00 1997 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 07:23:00 EDT Subject: OFF: Stuff about light bulbs Message-ID: Q: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? A: 1,331: 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs. 53 to flame the spell checkers 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list. 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped. 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list. 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs,what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty. 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs. 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list. 33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversey. 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup. 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it there. 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb. Rudy From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 17 07:52:10 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 07:52:10 EDT Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: > From: John Majka > Subject: Re: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? > > Yeah, I gave BOC the first serious listen as a result of being on this list > for HW for some time. I bought "Workshop of the Telescopes" and I liked > "Don't Fear The Reaper" and "Veteran of the Psychic Wars," but had little > tolerance at all for anything else on the 2-disc set. I'm not trying to > antagonize the BOC people, but some of these songs are really horrible, like > "The Marshall Plan," with its rock-anthem-cum-cliche about dreams of rock > and roll stardom. It just seems dopey and tinged with an adolescent > romanticism. Ditto with many of the other songs. This kind of stuff is in where have I been all these years? listening to that moronic, simple BOC garbage while I could have been enjoying cerebral tunes like The Trees, or Am I going Bald...Oh yeah, no offense to all you Rush fans. I'm not trying to piss you off, I'm simply stating an opinion about songs that are horrible... theo From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 17 12:52:43 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:52:43 BST Subject: Hawkwind tour - Glasgow Message-ID: Now here's an interesting thing. 1) Hawkwind are supposed to be in Glasgow on Saturday October 18th - according to the tour info on the Hawkwind web page. 2) I happened to be gazing through the window of the local ticket-selling shop and noticed tickets on sale for: Motorhead - Barrowlands, Glasgow. Saturday 18th October. MOST interesting! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From corwin at ROPNET.RU Thu Apr 17 08:34:10 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:34:10 +0400 Subject: HW: Dave Brock Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > Brian Tawn's got an article in Record Collector and there's one in the > Crohinga Well mag. Can't remember off hand where he was born but he > spent most of his formative (musical) years playing Blues in bands > around Germany and Holland on a kind of errrm 'free-floating' basis. > Played the banjo (I think) as well as guitar but tended to improvise his > instruments - putting extra strings on and such like. He did a lot > of gigging around London about the time of Eric Clapton and the > Yardbirds and a fair amount of busking too. 'Bring It On Home', > 'Dealing With The Devil' are from that period. The Dharma Blues band > is the main band usually mentioned but there's nothing recorded by them > while Brock was with them. > > There was also Tent 67 with Nik Turner and others somewhere over in > Holland and then later Group X and finally Hawkwind Zoo. > > I think that's right (from memory) but E&OE - just in case! > > jill > > Thank you for answer! But I wonder why there's no info about Brock's date and place of birth? -- "Like A Bat Out Of Hell I'll Be Gone When The Morning Comes" From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 17 08:43:03 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:43:03 -0400 Subject: HW: Dave Brock Message-ID: >J Strobridge wrote: > >Thank you for answer! But I wonder why there's no info about Brock's >date and place of birth? A fair question. The obvious answer, is of course, that there is no evidence anywhere of Brock ever being born on earth. He probably arrived here from the future. +----------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff of the Amtgard Barony of Silverwater| (Kingdom of the Burning Lands), aka | Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +---------------------------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From corwin at ROPNET.RU Thu Apr 17 08:55:51 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:55:51 +0400 Subject: HW: Dave Brock Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > A fair question. The obvious answer, is of course, that there is no evidence > anywhere of Brock ever being born on earth. He probably arrived here from > the future. Ha-ha! >From near or far future how do you think: from 2,000 or 20,000? I think He is not only from future but from another galaxy! Corwin From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Apr 17 10:25:08 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:25:08 -0600 Subject: BOC's Brush With Hair Bandism Message-ID: > First the breaking news: >JS>"Eric says that BOC's contributions will be 1 new song, plus 2 of "The Big >3". Typical of Eric not to mention the name of the "new one". >JS>" According to Bolle, George Geranios is submitting some soundboard tapes >to the producers of this project, but interestingly enough, these tapes won't be from 1997, but from 1992! " Guess that rules out Live 4 Me or X-ray Eyes being one of the new ones. >Sounds like Harvest Moon or See You in Black. PS JS - Loved your list but mentally inserted a smiley at the end. You can't be serious about the Prez's doing a BOC cover, can you? > >"From: Max Wilcox >Hi All, > Well, over the last few days I've been doing a bit of of BOC >listening for the first time (I've listened to some before, but not very >carefully). I've got Cultosaurus, and today bought Agents of Fortune. > Perhaps it's just not my thing, but most of the music sounds like poor rock - having little substance, sounding like much of the stuff you get on crappy popular radio stations. " I would recommend that you try the first three studio releases, Feet/Knees (Live) and Imaginos. Then do Specters, AOF and the like. > Let me try to put a different spin on it by comparing BOC's career to a modern bands career. BOC's first three albums provided a baseline for their unique sound. Great stuff with a slant that no other band could really match. Now BOC diverted from this path with AOF and for the most part benefitted financially. AOF was far more radio friendly than the first three. Specters was in the same vien. Thats when things started to get hairy for our hero's. Most of what was produced after Specters were shots in the dark aiming for elusive targets or attempts to return to the baseline. You have a Mirrors and a CE. You got a Club Ninja and an Imaginos (for the sake of argument lets call it a BOC album even though it wasn't.) The point being I don't think BOC beyond a point allowed their music to mature and progress naturally, I think they were aiming directly at things. In retrospect, a major mistake. Don't get me wrong, even during this wondering through the musical wilderness period the band still put out some quality stuff. Conversely some of it was pretty bad too. Check some of the songs from Mirros, RBN CN, CE and Fires. There's some original BOC baseline in their but some of it can be called and "experimentation with Hairbandism", they just didn't have the perms to go with it. 8>) As Eric bluntly put it, "everytime they changed they stepped on their dicks." Compare them to Queensryche. Its more than the umalat (sp) in the name that provides commanlity. Queensryche first three albums (Warning, Rage for Order and Operation Mindcrime) established a baseline and a solid fan base. Empire was their AOF, better for commercial purposes but a departure from the beginning. Many Q'ryche fans considered it a sellout/dissapointment. Thats where the similarities end between these two bands. Promise Land followed Empire and it sounded nothing like anything they had done up to that point. More alienated fans, but this band moved on. Check out their latest, Hear in the Now Frontier. Its still Queensryche but its as far removed from Promise Land or Empire as those albums were from the Warning. This band seems to allow their music to grow and change naturally, not aiming at tragets. Hey you may lose some fans and gain some but I admire their balls in allowing their music to be what it is and not necesarrily what people might want it to >be. Bottom Line: Who knows how BOC's career would have turned out had they approached it differently. I imagine at times that had they stuck with the beginning and matured from there they would have sounded like a mix of Black Sabbath and Pink Floyd. One can only wonder in the long run. All of the above IMHO as if I really needed to point that out. L8er lil ab "Some people fly...and some of us worry. I'd risk it all to have wings. I know if I try I'll get where I'm going, keeping my eyes on the sky." obcd - Queensryche, Hear in the Now Frontier Hairband of the Day - Night Ranger From AgentOF at AOL.COM Thu Apr 17 10:46:54 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:46:54 -0400 Subject: Buck Dharma Benefit Message-ID: Hi, Y'all, From Atlanta. Finally recovered enough to post to you about the show. Shawn has already posted the set list, and as you have seen, so I will try to mention some things fron the organizers point of view. BTW, to wet your appetite, I am listening to the VHS of the stationery camera, that was also hooked to the sound board, it is breathtaking. We recorded the show on 16 Tracks of ADAT, and two DAT's, one of the DATS didn't come out, all the rest of the Audio is great. The Video was done as follows, The stationery camera was a Panasonic Digital HD Commercial type connected to a 3/4" Beta Machine that was set up on the soundboard. I also had a camcorder set up from the first row perspective. Interesting views will also be had from three roaming cameramen who recorded everything on SVHS. I have most of all the formats into VHS right now, with the rest of the tapes to be done today. I have equipment that will take all of the formats and edit it on a non-linear basis, it will be fun! The Venue, the Gwinnett Performing Arts Center lent itself to what we tried to accomplish. It is a state-of-the-art musical facility and the perfect choice since I needed help, never promoting a concert before. The venue is a favorite place for people such as REM and Elton John to practice in before going on tour. The Show that the Buck Dharma Band did on the radio Friday morning was also special. We went to a contest winner's house and set up in their living room. We got to plug the concert that night and The BDB played Burnin', Wind, Weather and Storm, and In Thee. Buck was also on TV Thursday night with Ricky Browning, the boy being benefitted, playing with Godzilla toys together, also Buck played an acoustic Godzilla. Musically, a couple of notes from a fan perspective since I don't really know music that well (Technically speaking). Live For Me is stamped in my brain, it would be my choice for a hit. Real World, being played for the first time was a real crowd favorite, and Harvest Moon, to end the show was incredible. Deadline has a different guitar line, faster, which makes it a lot of fun, even making it a dance song. Buck chose songs carefully to work in the trio format. My initial impression was that the new versions of all the songs sounded better, except for 5:35, which has now grown on me, more everyday. The addition of Sandy on Vocals, and Danny and John also singing made for perfect Harmonies, especially Born To Rock, which made everyone cry. Ah, heck, y'all will see when this gets released:-) This was not a concert, it was an experience. Everyone there felt it, and my job will be to try to get you to fell what transpired by editing the mound of Video, Radio stuff, and a meriad of print coverage we got. There were Three TV stations there at the concert. They asked Ricky, how do you like the concert, he said, I'd like it a lot better if I was in there watching it! (That was during the warm-up band). The shirts sold very well, but we have some left! If you would like one, send $20 plus $3 for S/H to: ZILLA FUND P.O.Box 465081 Lawrenceville, GA 30246 Also if you send a donation to the fund of $10 or more whether you buy a shirt or not, I will send you an original Concert Program and Ticket (Only 150 of theses). These funds will go directly to help out the Brownings (Who have already received some funds from our efforts). Any questions or donations, write me at the Zilla Fund address, attention, Chuck Saden, or call me at 770-995-9657, or 1-800-211-1720 Thanks to all that have faith in the project, wait till you see this stuff! Chuck Saden Agent OF From mpower at FCMC.COM Thu Apr 17 10:59:46 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:59:46 -0400 Subject: HW Wishart Message-ID: MarK Edmonds wrote about Bridgett Wishart: > Actually, I found her voice quite irritating! It was too weak and > feeble > and I'm afraid that I find Alan and Ron's voices bad as well. Dave - if > you`re out there - get back to more singing! Please! > > Mark Edmonds Never heard Wishart (but perhaps I should, I like female vocals a lot) but I have to run with you on Alan and Ron. However, after receiving the Solstice video the other day and hearing Dave singing "Uncle Sams on Mars", I have to say, bring back Calvert! (Only kidding Dave, I'm sure it was just a bad day :) ) Alice, unpack the Ouija board! ----------------------------------------------------------------- 'We were Born to Go, never looking back, We were Born to Go, leave a burning track' Marc From mpower at FCMC.COM Thu Apr 17 11:06:11 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:06:11 -0400 Subject: Underground Zero Message-ID: Si wrote: [Lots of cool stuff about Underground Zero] Thanks Si, this really nails it! I asked the question a few months back after hearing the 'Best of Friends and Relations' CD. Cheers! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- 'We were Born to Go, never looking back, We were Born to Go, leave a burning track' Marc From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Apr 17 11:46:03 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:46:03 +0200 Subject: HW: Levitation cover Message-ID: Chuck; >If there's one metal band that I'm surprised never did a HW cover, it's >Kansas' obscure Manilla Road, We should thank God they didn't! -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Apr 17 11:51:17 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:51:17 +0200 Subject: HW Wishart Message-ID: Andrew; >>In article <3354A4CE.37F1 at earthlink.net>, Dan Witt >> writes >>>Does anybody know what Bridgett is doing now. I wish she could have >>>stayed in the band. Her voice was unique and it fit in very nicely on >>>songs like images and back in the box. >> >>Actually, I found her voice quite irritating! It was too weak and feeble >>and I'm afraid that I find Alan and Ron's voices bad as well. Dave - if >>you`re out there - get back to more singing! Please! > >I dunno, I felt it was a nice change of pace for a time. Space Bandits >remains one of my favorite latter-day Hawkwind albums. In particular >I like Black Elk, it's always on the setlist on the player... ...and Wishart's singing is good on that one, huh?!? ;-) -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Apr 17 12:01:28 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:01:28 -0400 Subject: OFF: King Crimson's Epitaph Message-ID: Yikes! That sounds like it could be awfully repetitive, four discs of live material from a band that only produced one album. Also, the sound quality of live material from that era was pretty bad on the four-disc collection released a few years back; is this material supposed to sound better? SET From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 17 11:20:25 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:20:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Updates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Jon Browne writes >yeah, Killer "Bones Of Elvis" and "Spirit Of The Age" versions. God, talk about flashback. I used to (and may still have burried somewhere) an Inner City Unit album which had Bones of Elvis on it as well as some other rocking tracks. I think the LP may have come out about the time of Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gregarin and I remember it had a purple label. Can some remind me of the name and track list please. Mark Edmonds From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Apr 17 12:18:51 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:18:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: King Crimson's Epitaph In-Reply-To: <970417115926_2082675655@emout13.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Steven Tice wrote: > Yikes! That sounds like it could be awfully repetitive, four discs of live > material from a band that only produced one album. Also, the sound quality > of live material from that era was pretty bad on the four-disc collection > released a few years back; is this material supposed to sound better? BLASPHEMY!!!! :-) The Great Deceiver, according to some people, is one of the best live sets ever put out by any band. I almost agree, but there're just too many versions of "Easy Money" and "Talking Drum". Whatever, Damon From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Apr 17 12:31:32 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:31:32 -0400 Subject: HW: Updates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Mark Edmonds wrote: > God, talk about flashback. I used to (and may still have burried > somewhere) an Inner City Unit album which had Bones of Elvis on it as > well as some other rocking tracks. I think the LP may have come out > about the time of Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gregarin and I remember it > had a purple label. Can some remind me of the name and track list > please. Sounds like it could be _Maximum Effect_ (yet to be released on CD, alas, despite being, IMHO, ICU's finest hour). See the HW discography for track listing. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Faust, _IV_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From BrizoCult at AOL.COM Thu Apr 17 13:08:39 1997 From: BrizoCult at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:08:39 -0400 Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: I think the critics of BOC here, miss the point, the sarcasm and humor ........ and the jokes on you. And I would look to the first four albums before I formed an opinion. Recall too, that as far as I knowm, these are'nt remakes, they are recorded with 70s sound stuff. Can you imagine how great they would sound re-recorded? Teri From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Apr 17 11:53:05 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:53:05 -0400 Subject: Off: King Crimson In-Reply-To: <3355C011.6515@rockshot.u-net.com> from "Jill Douglas" at Apr 17, 97 07:15:45 am Message-ID: Hi Jill-- > Hi All esp Guido, > Tonight I see Wetton > There is a god! > Jill Douglas Well, I think he WAS a god (I have never been as impressed by anyone else's bass playing), but now (post KC)? Anyway, enjoy the concert! :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Apr 17 12:00:29 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:00:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: King Crimson's Epitaph In-Reply-To: <970417115926_2082675655@emout13.mail.aol.com> from "Steven Tice" at Apr 17, 97 12:01:28 pm Message-ID: Hello-- > Yikes! That sounds like it could be awfully repetitive, four discs of live > material from a band that only produced one album. Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing a track list for this thing. They did play improvs and weird things like Gustav Holst's Mars, so hopefully it's not four live versions of In the Court of the Crimson King. :-) > Also, the sound quality > of live material from that era was pretty bad on the four-disc collection > released a few years back; is this material supposed to sound better? Do you mean the Great Deceiver? I thought the sound quality was great (though the editing is a bit weird in spots). My understanding is that the first two CDs have very good sound quality. The latter two are a bit more rough (which is why they're available by mail order only). Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Apr 17 13:38:15 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:38:15 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: More Tubilah Dog etc. Message-ID: Hi Folks... Thanks to whoever it was who posted the info about Tubilah Dog's only release (I assume), 'In Search of Plaice'. I guess Jerry Richards, if he was ever in the band truly, wasn't in that particular line-up, granted a number of years after their 'festival daze'. Anyway, I've done a bit of searching about them and this album, and apparently it was released on CD, in addition to the LP that's listed on Delerium's WWW catalog. But the CD came out on an obscure Italian label, 'Beard of Stars', which is apparently part of a larger company called "Vinyl Magic". So far, I haven't figured out how and where to order a copy...it's not listed in Vinyl Magic's on-line catalog (at least the part that's in English). Anybody seen it listed elsewhere?? I also discovered that three additional Tubilah Dog tracks have been put onto the web as part of an 'e-novel', which I had never heard of until just yesterday. I guess it's sort of a WWW-based multimedia fantasy story, with prose, graphics, and music all interlinked. The title is...War Among the Fallen. I didn't try it out as our computers are not really for entertainment purposes, so that extra software cramming up the hard drives for these purposes is not encouraged. Anyway, if there's someone out there who wants to check this out, and report back....it's at: http://members.aol.com/watf/watf1.html (that's a No. 1 there after watf, not a letter 'l') Keith H. (FAA) P.S. On another note concerning 'sub-labels', I've noticed that Cleopatra has added an additional label to Hypnotic, called Purple Pyramid. I've seen an Amon Duul II compilation on this label, which might be a good introduction to US kraut/spacerock fans not wanting to pay import prices for a band they've never heard (you should, by the way). Also, I saw a new Magic Mushroom Band CD on PP, that has a sticker on it (like the ones on the Melting Euphoria discs) saying how similar the music is to Hawkwind, ADII?, Gong?, or some such similar names. The MMB CD I got a year or so ago, doesn't sound really anything like 'spacerock' or even psychedelic, but rather more like straight blues. Nothing wrong with that, but I was a little surprised. This new album is called 'The Space Collection' or something similar, so mebbe there's something more than std blues here. Anyone?? ObCD: Amon Duul II - Made in Germany (Repertoire full-length version!) From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Apr 17 13:51:41 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:51:41 +0200 Subject: HW: Night Of The Hawk Message-ID: At 18:34 16.04.97 +0400, you wrote: >I wonder who played violin on Night Of The Hawk video? (He was shown too >rarely so I couldn't recognize him.) Is he Simon House? No. It was Dead Fred Bernhard From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 17 14:02:12 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:02:12 -0400 Subject: BOC's Brush With Hair Bandism Message-ID: >> >Bottom Line: Who knows how BOC's career would have turned out had they >approached it differently. I imagine at times that had they stuck with >the beginning and matured from there they would have sounded like a mix >of Black Sabbath and Pink Floyd. One can only wonder in the long run. I'll agree with most of that, except to add that it seemed like the first three albums were as forced a style as any of the rest, trying to fit the image of being Columbia's Black Sabbath. In part AOF seemed to be that stopping, and probably a lot also those darn 4-track thingamajigs that meant they could all go out and write songs on their own instead of together.... +----------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff of the Amtgard Barony of Silverwater| (Kingdom of the Burning Lands), aka | Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +---------------------------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 17 14:02:13 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:02:13 -0400 Subject: HW Wishart Message-ID: >Andrew; >>I dunno, I felt it was a nice change of pace for a time. Space Bandits >>remains one of my favorite latter-day Hawkwind albums. In particular >>I like Black Elk, it's always on the setlist on the player... > >...and Wishart's singing is good on that one, huh?!? ;-) It's amazing the way she can sound just like Black Elk... Hang on, she did sing the second part, right? +----------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff of the Amtgard Barony of Silverwater| (Kingdom of the Burning Lands), aka | Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +---------------------------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 17 14:02:15 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:02:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: >Can you imagine how great they would sound re-recorded? Remastered or Rerecorded? Rerecorded would probably sound a lot like Cult Classic... +----------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff of the Amtgard Barony of Silverwater| (Kingdom of the Burning Lands), aka | Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +---------------------------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 17 14:28:41 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:28:41 EDT Subject: BOC's Brush With Hair Bandism Message-ID: > From: "Andrew A. Apold" > >> > I'll agree with most of that, except to add that it seemed like the first > three albums > were as forced a style as any of the rest, trying to fit the image of being > Columbia's > Black Sabbath. In part AOF seemed to be that stopping, and probably a lot also > those darn 4-track thingamajigs that meant they could all go out and write songs > on their own instead of together.... > +----------------------------------------------------------+ > Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Wasn't the approach taken on the first 3 records more a path chosen by Pearlman/Krugman? Seems like that's how Al has said it was. Of course Columbia would have loved BOC to emulate Sab, at least at first, but after AOF, BOC far surpassed Sab's commercial appeal. By that time, Ozzy had already left, hadn't he? And from there, Sab floundered a bit. Tony and Ronnie never really got along... theo From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Thu Apr 17 14:29:00 1997 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:29:00 EDT Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: J. Majka writes: > (He).... had little > tolerance at all for anything else on the 2-disc set. I'm not trying to > antagonize the BOC people, but some of these songs are really horrible, like > "The Marshall Plan," with its rock-anthem-cum-cliche about dreams of rock > and roll stardom. It just seems dopey and tinged with an adolescent > romanticism. Ditto with many of the other songs. Not an un-expected reaction. Even die hard BOC fans disliked alot of the stuff from that era. For me, pre 1978 and post 1982 is preferred to anything in between. RR From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 17 14:50:46 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:50:46 -0400 Subject: BOC's Brush With Hair Bandism Message-ID: >>JS>"Eric says that BOC's contributions will be 1 new song, plus 2 of "The Big >3". ab> Typical of Eric not to mention the name of the "new one". Yeah, but my guess is that which tracks will be used has not been determined. Kind of strange though that a new one will be released - I assume BOC retains the rights to this song so that they can later release it on "The Wheel", whenever that might be. >PS JS - Loved your list but mentally inserted a smiley at the end. You can't be serious about the Prez's doing a BOC cover, can you? Well, as serious as I can be about a BOC tribute album. Actually, the Prez are huge BOC fans -- Albert recently went to one of their shows in NY (got to hangout backstage I think) and after they did "Kick Out the Jams", the singer announced that if the audience wanted to hear "the best f___ing version of that song, go out and buy Blue Oyster Cult's 'Some Enchanted Evening'", or words to that effect. I find the Presidents to be kind of fun - simple, often stupid, but catchy and infectious tunes. I'm not a big fan, but I've got their CDs, and they're a nice change of pace. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 17 14:55:58 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:55:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: Teri sez: >And I would look to the first four albums before I formed an opinion. Recall too, that as far as I knowm, these are'nt remakes, they are recorded with 70s sound stuff. Can you imagine how great they would sound re-recorded? Uh, well, you won't find too many fans of *Cult Classics* here, Teri... (welcome aboard by the way) Now, Bolle tells me that eventually the original BOC CDs will be *RE-MASTERED*, and those should sound incredible. John From AgentOF at AOL.COM Thu Apr 17 14:57:19 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:57:19 -0400 Subject: BOC: Fwd: Buck Dharma Benefit Message-ID: Sorry, Being the Newbie that I am, I forgot to put BOC in front of the Subject, so you may get this twice. chuck Agent OF --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Buck Dharma Benefit Date: 97-04-17 10:46:54 EDT From: Agent OF To: BOC-L at listserv.spc.edu Hi, Y'all, From Atlanta. Finally recovered enough to post to you about the show. Shawn has already posted the set list, and as you have seen, so I will try to mention some things fron the organizers point of view. BTW, to wet your appetite, I am listening to the VHS of the stationery camera, that was also hooked to the sound board, it is breathtaking. We recorded the show on 16 Tracks of ADAT, and two DAT's, one of the DATS didn't come out, all the rest of the Audio is great. The Video was done as follows, The stationery camera was a Panasonic Digital HD Commercial type connected to a 3/4" Beta Machine that was set up on the soundboard. I also had a camcorder set up from the first row perspective. Interesting views will also be had from three roaming cameramen who recorded everything on SVHS. I have most of all the formats into VHS right now, with the rest of the tapes to be done today. I have equipment that will take all of the formats and edit it on a non-linear basis, it will be fun! The Venue, the Gwinnett Performing Arts Center lent itself to what we tried to accomplish. It is a state-of-the-art musical facility and the perfect choice since I needed help, never promoting a concert before. The venue is a favorite place for people such as REM and Elton John to practice in before going on tour. The Show that the Buck Dharma Band did on the radio Friday morning was also special. We went to a contest winner's house and set up in their living room. We got to plug the concert that night and The BDB played Burnin', Wind, Weather and Storm, and In Thee. Buck was also on TV Thursday night with Ricky Browning, the boy being benefitted, playing with Godzilla toys together, also Buck played an acoustic Godzilla. Musically, a couple of notes from a fan perspective since I don't really know music that well (Technically speaking). Live For Me is stamped in my brain, it would be my choice for a hit. Real World, being played for the first time was a real crowd favorite, and Harvest Moon, to end the show was incredible. Deadline has a different guitar line, faster, which makes it a lot of fun, even making it a dance song. Buck chose songs carefully to work in the trio format. My initial impression was that the new versions of all the songs sounded better, except for 5:35, which has now grown on me, more everyday. The addition of Sandy on Vocals, and Danny and John also singing made for perfect Harmonies, especially Born To Rock, which made everyone cry. Ah, heck, y'all will see when this gets released:-) This was not a concert, it was an experience. Everyone there felt it, and my job will be to try to get you to fell what transpired by editing the mound of Video, Radio stuff, and a meriad of print coverage we got. There were Three TV stations there at the concert. They asked Ricky, how do you like the concert, he said, I'd like it a lot better if I was in there watching it! (That was during the warm-up band). The shirts sold very well, but we have some left! If you would like one, send $20 plus $3 for S/H to: ZILLA FUND P.O.Box 465081 Lawrenceville, GA 30246 Also if you send a donation to the fund of $10 or more whether you buy a shirt or not, I will send you an original Concert Program and Ticket (Only 150 of theses). These funds will go directly to help out the Brownings (Who have already received some funds from our efforts). Any questions or donations, write me at the Zilla Fund address, attention, Chuck Saden, or call me at 770-995-9657, or 1-800-211-1720 Thanks to all that have faith in the project, wait till you see this stuff! Chuck Saden Agent OF From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 17 14:59:01 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:59:01 -0400 Subject: BOC's Brush With Hair Bandism Message-ID: >Wasn't the approach taken on the first 3 records more a path chosen by Pearlman/Krugman? I believe that BOC basically GOT their record deal because Krugman (who worked for Columbia) wanted the next Black Sabbath, and so the band basically tried to write as heavy as they could. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 17 15:05:28 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:05:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: > (He).... had little > tolerance at all for anything else on the 2-disc set. I'm not trying to > antagonize the BOC people, but some of these songs are really horrible, like > "The Marshall Plan," with its rock-anthem-cum-cliche about dreams of rock > and roll stardom. It just seems dopey and tinged with an adolescent > romanticism. Ditto with many of the other songs. Well, quite frankly, this person is broad-brushing the songs on WOTT based on "The Marshall Plan". To imply that many of its songs are "dopey and tinged with adolescent romanticism" is just plain unfair. BOC may have had some of those, but certainly most of the cuts on WOTT are better than that. Tracks like "Workshop of the Telescopes", "Harvester of Eyes" (hell, anything on *Secret Treaties*, and practically every track from that album is on WOTT), "Veteran of the Psychic Wars", "The Red & The Black", "Don't Fear the Reaper"...no, I have to disagree... John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 17 15:48:39 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:48:39 -0400 Subject: BOC: Fwd: Buck Dharma Benefit Message-ID: >Sorry, Being the Newbie that I am, I forgot to put BOC in front of the Subject, so you may get this twice. What? You used the subject filters? You really ARE a newbie... ;-) John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 17 15:53:36 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:53:36 EDT Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > > (He).... had little > > tolerance at all for anything else on the 2-disc set. I'm not trying to > > antagonize the BOC people, but some of these songs are really horrible, like > > "The Marshall Plan," with its rock-anthem-cum-cliche about dreams of rock > > and roll stardom. It just seems dopey and tinged with an adolescent > > romanticism. Ditto with many of the other songs. > > Well, quite frankly, this person is broad-brushing the songs on WOTT > based on "The Marshall Plan". To imply that many of its songs are > "dopey and tinged with adolescent romanticism" is just plain unfair. > BOC may have had some of those, but certainly most of the cuts on WOTT > are better than that. Tracks like "Workshop of the Telescopes", > "Harvester of Eyes" (hell, anything on *Secret Treaties*, and practically > every track from that album is on WOTT), "Veteran of the Psychic Wars", > "The Red & The Black", "Don't Fear the Reaper"...no, I have to disagree... > > John A case of your favorite brew says that that dude's a big Rush fan, yet he's got the stones to trash BOC on BOC-L. It's a world gone mad, I tell ya... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 17 15:55:18 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:55:18 EDT Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Now, Bolle tells me that eventually the original BOC CDs will be > *RE-MASTERED*, and those should sound incredible. > > > John John, Any time frame mentioned for this to happen? At my age, shit like that is important... theo From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Apr 17 15:57:57 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:57:57 +0200 Subject: HW: Yuri Message-ID: for those of you who need to have *everything*, _Bring Me the Head..._ is out in DigiPak format. It's the first CD with the original geometry cover (no, the Thunderbolt isn't b/w) and with a nice pic disc for you who's into additional geometric. Turner is credited for the poetry tracks Gaga/In the Egg/Wage War, but isn't listed among the musicnauts! Label/Cat no: Spalax Music SPALAXCD 14846 - France 1996 ...and yes, Yuri is much better than it's rumour (as a waste of plastic) - sound quality isn't the best, but take it for what it is. do not compare it with Space Ritual or Live '79. best - \\joe ObLP: Stray s/t From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Apr 17 15:58:02 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:58:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: King Crimson's Epitaph Message-ID: > > Yikes! That sounds like it could be awfully repetitive, four discs of live > > material from a band that only produced one album. > > Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing a track list for this thing. They did play > improvs and weird things like Gustav Holst's Mars, so hopefully it's > not four live versions of In the Court of the Crimson King. :-) > i dont recall it, but someone did post the tracklist here a while ago. what i do recall, is that they were close enuff to identical that i wondered why anyone would shell out that kind of $$ for it. rj From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 17 16:21:30 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:21:30 -0400 Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: >> (He).... had little >Well, quite frankly, this person is broad-brushing the songs on WOTT >based on "The Marshall Plan". To imply that many of its songs are >"dopey and tinged with adolescent romanticism" is just plain unfair. >BOC may have had some of those, but certainly most of the cuts on WOTT >are better than that. Tracks like "Workshop of the Telescopes", >"Harvester of Eyes" (hell, anything on *Secret Treaties*, and practically >every track from that album is on WOTT) Where's my Cagey Cretins?!?!?!?!?!? Actually..... thinking about it, I'd have to say I'd even prefer Cretins over TMP. Of all the songs they might have chosen to represent CE.... From torgo at NORWICH.NET Thu Apr 17 16:34:49 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:34:49 -0400 Subject: BOC: Not my cup of tea Message-ID: Max says: > > Well, over the last few days I've been doing a bit of of BOC listening >for the first time (I've listened to some before, but not very >carefully). I've got Cultosaurus, and today bought Agents of Fortune. > Perhaps it's just not my thing, but most of the music sounds like poor >rock - having little substance, sounding like much of the stuff you get >on crappy popular radio stations. The only songs I can listen to more >than once are Black Sword and (Don't Fear) the Reaper. I've also heard >all of the other Moorcock ones, which I love, but that's about it. > Is there something I'm missing? Are these two albums not a fair >representation of them? Or is it one of those things you get used to >after a while? > At present, I really don't see any connection between HW and BOC, >thematically, musically, etc., apart from Moorcock. > What other albums do people suggest? Imaginos sounds good, from what I >hear of it... > Well, who knows... > I know this is a lame and crappy answer to the question, but liking BOC and asking the question "What's it all about, anyway?" brings only one answer to mind. When asked to describe Jazz music, Tom Servo of MST3K says, "Oh MAN, if you HAVE to ask, you'll NEVER know." Just one of those things you have to feel I guess. Hey, I told you it was a lame answer. Its not my fault you didn't page down. :^D Outta here.... Torgo has left the building..... torgo at norwich.net *********************************************************** "Its just me and 6 guys I met on the Internet, Having breakfast together at Denny's." -David Letterman on How he spent his 50th birthday. *********************************************************** From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Apr 17 16:48:31 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:48:31 +0200 Subject: HW: EBS Message-ID: browsed the EBS discography, and now have a few questions: EBSSLP000 The Undisclosed Files - Hawkwind Vinyl July 1993 just for curiosity - was this ever out with another thing than a blank bootleg label? EBMC109 Solstice - Hawkwind Remixes EP MC 1993 I know this was out on MC May 1993, but on 4Real. Can someone confirm EBS? EBCD108 Choose Your Future - Hawkwind CD Digipack Sept. 1996 Probably "*Decide* Your Future" - can someone confirm the existence on EBS? \\joe From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Apr 17 16:55:49 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:55:49 -0400 Subject: OFF: King Crimson's Epitaph Message-ID: In a message dated 97-04-17 12:53:38 EDT, you write: << BLASPHEMY!!!! :-) The Great Deceiver, according to some people, is one of the best live sets ever put out by any band. I almost agree, but there're just too many versions of "Easy Money" and "Talking Drum". Whatever, Damon >> Oops, you misunderstand. I'm referring not to The Great Deceiver (which is terrific and has AMAZING sound quality), but to the live disc that was one of four in a four-disc collection released prior to Deceiver (sorry, I've forgotten the name of it!). The first three discs were previously released material, while the fourth had life stuff from different eras, include three songs from 1969. Those three from '69 had TERRIBLE sound quality, so I'm suspicious of a new collection of nothing BUT stuff from that era...though, for all I know, there have been amazing advances in sound technology in the past couple of years which would remedy that problem. Y'know, I sort of like all of those different versions of Easy Money on Deceiver, because they're all so different...what an amazing live band they were circa '73. Sorry for the confusion... SET From stayer at PI.NET Fri Apr 18 02:00:59 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 23:00:59 -0700 Subject: BOC: Some news Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > However, Bolle says these tapes are of exceptional quality, > and should be some fine recordings for our ears - the possible source > is a soundboard tape from 1992 (June 6th) in Moscow, Idaho -- rumor > has it (and I heard this elsewhere, not from Eric, Bolle, or anyone > on AOL) that this recording may turn up (or already has) elsewhere. > More details if I find them. I have got this tape for quite some time now. Mingles, Moscow, Idaho, USA, 1992-06-06 (92:35) A (46:13) 1 Stairway To The Stars (3:25) 2 Dominance And Submission (5:07) 3 Before The Kiss A Redcap (5:09) 4 ETI (4:48) 5 Demon's Kiss (3:34) 6 Power Underneath Despair (3:29) 7 Take Me Away (6:19) 8 Cities On Flame (5:40) 9 The Horsemen Arrive (Incompl) (5:33) B (46:22) 9 The Horsemen Arrive (Cont'd) (1:42) 10 Astronomy (Cut-out) (10:26) 11 Still Burning (3:26) 12 Harvest Moon (4:44) 13 Burning For You (4:35) 14 Godzilla (5:51) 15 (Don't Fear) The Reaper (7:50) 16 Cold Grey Light Of Dawn (3:21) 17 O.D.'d On Life Itself (Incompl) (0:28) Jerry ____________________________________ "swollen eyes beg for my dead friend reminiscing with a photograph" - Enchant, "At Death's Door" From christoj at UG1.PLK.AF.MIL Thu Apr 17 18:17:57 1997 From: christoj at UG1.PLK.AF.MIL (Julian Christou) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:17:57 -0600 Subject: Changing Addresses In-Reply-To: <199704172049.QAA08024@listserv.spc.edu> from "Automatic digest processor" at Apr 17, 97 04:48:58 pm Message-ID: Hi Fellow hawkfans I have to change my e-mail address - how do I do it please? Julian -- +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ | Dr. Julian Christou | Phone: 505-846-4712 x330 | | PL/LIG, Phillips Lab | FAX: 505-846-2213 | | 3550 Aberdeen SE +-----------------------------+ | Kirtland AFB, NM 87117-5776 | E-mail: christoj at plk.af.mil | +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ "One trend that bothers me is the glorification of stupidity, that the media is reassuring people it's all right not to know anything...That to me is far more dangerous than a little pornography on the Internet" ... Carl Sagan From BrizoCult at AOL.COM Thu Apr 17 18:29:02 1997 From: BrizoCult at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:29:02 -0400 Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: Hey John...and all, I have been lurking for some two months....Hotlanta adventures inspired a first post! I personally don't own "Cult Classics", have'nt gotten around to getting it, though as a medium to hard core BOC fan...I will eventually get it. First however, I am still missing other things on CD, like RBN and Spectres, ...and while they depart from signature BOC stuff, I dig most tracks off both albums. And I really like many of them...sorry bad with song titles, without th CD here to help me out. So whats the consensus here? When you tell me there are'nt too many fans of Cult Classics, I can only imagine what you mean. BTW I am more hungry more unreleased older material and new material. Aren't we all? Teri From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Apr 17 19:26:12 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:26:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: King Crimson's Epitaph In-Reply-To: <970417165503_740883603@emout01.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Steven Tice wrote: > Oops, you misunderstand. I'm referring not to The Great Deceiver (which > is terrific and has AMAZING sound quality), but to the live disc that > was one of four in a four-disc collection released prior to Deceiver > (sorry, I've forgotten the name of it!). Oh, you mean "Frame By Frame". Nevermind. :-) Damon From squinn at PALMNET.NET Thu Apr 17 20:42:28 1997 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (squinn) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:42:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: Go Theo ! Shawn From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Apr 17 20:03:42 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:03:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: King Crimson's Epitaph In-Reply-To: <19970417195930417.AAA134@hawk2> from "Ron Jennings" at Apr 17, 97 03:58:02 pm Message-ID: rj sez-- > > > Yikes! That sounds like it could be awfully repetitive, four discs of > live > > > material from a band that only produced one album. > > > > Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing a track list for this thing. They did play > > improvs and weird things like Gustav Holst's Mars, so hopefully it's > > not four live versions of In the Court of the Crimson King. :-) > > > > i dont recall it, but someone did post the tracklist here a while ago. > what i do recall, is that they were close enuff to identical that i > wondered why > anyone would shell out that kind of $$ for it. Ahem . . . and how many Hawkwind compilations have you bought? :-) When it comes to my kollekting, Krimson/Fripp comes first, Zappa second, Hawkwind third. :-) Guido obCDplayer--Have I Offended Someone? by Frank Zappa -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Apr 17 20:14:57 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:14:57 -0400 Subject: OFF: King Crimson's Epitaph In-Reply-To: <970417165503_740883603@emout01.mail.aol.com> from "Steven Tice" at Apr 17, 97 04:55:49 pm Message-ID: Steve Tice says-- > > In a message dated 97-04-17 12:53:38 EDT, you write: > > << BLASPHEMY!!!! :-) > > The Great Deceiver, according to some people, is one of the best live sets > ever put out by any band. I almost agree, but there're just too many > versions of "Easy Money" and "Talking Drum". > > Whatever, > Damon > >> > > Oops, you misunderstand. I'm referring not to The Great Deceiver (which is > terrific and has AMAZING sound quality), but to the live disc that was one of > four in a four-disc collection released prior to Deceiver (sorry, I've > forgotten the name of it!). It's Frame by Frame. > The first three discs were previously released > material, while the fourth had life stuff from different eras, include three > songs from 1969. Those three from '69 had TERRIBLE sound quality, so I'm > suspicious of a new collection of nothing BUT stuff from that era...though, > for all I know, there have been amazing advances in sound technology in the > past couple of years which would remedy that problem. Your point is well taken. The 1969 tracks constitute King Crimson's Yuri Gagarin (though come to think of it, the quality is not THAT bad :-) ). Of course, it's worth listening to the whole CD to hear "Asbury Park". The other tracks are quite listenable too (see what a career in science does to your grammar? :-) ). > Y'know, I sort of like all of those different versions of Easy Money on > Deceiver, because they're all so different...what an amazing live band they > were circa '73. My favorite is the fourth CD. To quote Jeff Beck, "Full Shred . . . Balls Deluxe!" Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 17 23:02:23 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:02:23 PDT Subject: HW Wishart Message-ID: >>>I dunno, I felt it was a nice change of pace for a time. Space Bandits >>>remains one of my favorite latter-day Hawkwind albums. In particular >>>I like Black Elk, it's always on the setlist on the player... >>...and Wishart's singing is good on that one, huh?!? ;-) >It's amazing the way she can sound just like Black Elk... >Hang on, she did sing the second part, right? The first part wasn't the voice of Black Elk. It was Black Elk's words read by John G. Neihardt, who wrote the book _Black Elk Speaks_. ------------------------- Bryan Young blyoung at hotmail.com ------------------------- My Hawkwind website, recently updated! http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 ---------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 18 00:25:01 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:25:01 PDT Subject: HW: Yuri Message-ID: dat dere joe says... >for those of you who need to have *everything*, _Bring Me the Head..._ is >out in DigiPak format. It's the first CD with the original geometry cover > [...SNIP...] > >...and yes, Yuri is much better than it's rumour (as a waste of plastic) - Okay, so it's not a waste of plastic. I have the Charly CD with the wrong date (1976) on it. What else can I do with it instead of letting it be a waste of plastic? Mini frisbee? Coaster for a cold frosty drink? How about this? Claim there are backwards Satanic messages on it and give it to your local pastor. He'll go mad trying to get through it backwards (the sound quality forward is so bad), and the notoriety will make the sales go through the roof. Then when the value has sky-rocketed, sell your CD and make a mint. Reflector for sending messages via reflected sunbeam to fellow urban guerillas? Mirror to confuse your pet cat while you are away for the weekend? ------------------------- Bryan Young blyoung at hotmail.com ------------------------- My Hawkwind website, recently updated! http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 ---------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From stretch at GOT.NET Fri Apr 18 00:35:44 1997 From: stretch at GOT.NET (Jeff Riedle) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:35:44 -0700 Subject: HW:A Few Topics Message-ID: 3 Topics to discuss/question: (no, I didn't research these to death, I'd rather have someone knowledgable just tell me! Jill Strobridge, are you there?!!) (1) I picked up a cd compilation called "Live & Rare-Onward Flies The Bird" on the Emporio label; it's a combo of live and studio trax, is there anything here I haven't seen before or is it yet ANOTHER get-it-out-quick compilation? It's great and only cost $9 US new. (2) I found a Various Artists cd called "Assassins Of Silence/100 Watt Violence" that's dated 1995 on Ceres Records; it's 15 cover versions by bands from all over; pretty interesting and diverse; is this just the cd version of the vinyl release? How long has the cd been out, since I don't remember any discussion of it? (3) In case you didn't know, the cd release of "California Brainstorm" is only an edited version of the concert; I was there and have cassette tapes of the entire show; missing from the cd are nice versions of 'Realms', 'Angels Of Death', 'Wings' and 'Images' as well as some between-song banter; I don't expect the whole show to fit on one disc but "California Brainstorm" clocks in at 68:11 and we know that cd's hold about 78 minutes...sure would have been decent to include another 10 minutes or so of the concert!! Plus, since this is supposed to be a live recording, how come the songs fade in/out on the cd, whereas live they often went from one to the other? What's up with that?? I'm here in the USA (in California) if anybody needs a reference point. Jeff From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Apr 18 01:07:39 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 07:07:39 +0200 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag Message-ID: >> >> doesn't know this is *the* rarest and highest ticket of hawk-items. >> > >> >Oh. I dunno about that. >> > >> >FoFP >> I bow to your greater knowledge. Is there a clearly "rarest" item, then? >> Would it be the Italian Hassan 7"? Do the BBC Transcription disc count? >> Boots don't IMO, even if there are only 7 copies! > >its probably that acetate thingy that brian tawn is so fond of. doesn't he >have the only copy in existence? >i don't remember what it is, but it was mentioned in one of the hawkfan >issues, and i saw it mentioned on this list once... >rj Mind Journey. \\joe From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Fri Apr 18 02:35:18 1997 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 00:35:18 -0600 Subject: BOC: Fwd: Buck Dharma Benefit Message-ID: >>Sorry, > >Being the Newbie that I am, I forgot to put BOC in front of the Subject, so >you may get this twice. > > >What? You used the subject filters? You really ARE a newbie... ;-) > >John Right on Chuck, thanks for the filters, helps save me deleting so many messages! And thanks for the review of the Atlanta experience from your side of things-sounds like it was great. James Coburn Albuq., NM From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 18 11:08:22 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:08:22 BST Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:34:11 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In message <9704161549.aa04848 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes > writes > that I wrote...> > >[about the Sonic Attack cloth-bag 7"] > > > >> Fair enough, no slight intended or aspersions cast. My question was from > >> the view of someone who deals in collectibles for a living and hey, I > >> sold a Batman #1 for 17,000 UKP, yes, about $30,000 for one comic so I'm > >> not suggesting for an instant that you overpaid for this one! If anyone > >> doesn't know this is *the* rarest and highest ticket of hawk-items. > > > >Oh. I dunno about that. > > > >FoFP > I bow to your greater knowledge. Is there a clearly "rarest" item, then? > Would it be the Italian Hassan 7"? Do the BBC Transcription disc count? > Boots don't IMO, even if there are only 7 copies! I don't have the Hassan I Sabha 7" but I know two people who have both of them. The standard BBC Transcription Disc is rumoured to have 24 copies around and at one point I'd located six of them. I do have another BBC Transcription Disc with two live tracks "Silver Machine" and "Brainstorm" on it as well as Bowie and Pretty Things. Mine is the only copy I've ever heard of. Another rarity is Brian Tawn's copy of "Hawkwind Mind Journey" which I understood to be an acetate but I've seen someone on this list print a catalogue number for it. AFAIK Brian's copy is the only one know to hawkfandom. > Jon Browne FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 18 04:45:41 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:45:41 +0100 Subject: HW:A Few Topics In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19970417214255.3edf0ab6@mail.got.net> Message-ID: In message <2.2.16.19970417214255.3edf0ab6 at mail.got.net>, Jeff Riedle writes >3 Topics to discuss/question: (no, I didn't research these to death, I'd >rather have someone knowledgable just tell me! Jill Strobridge, are you >there?!!) > >(1) I picked up a cd compilation called "Live & Rare-Onward Flies The Bird" >on the Emporio label; it's a combo of live and studio trax, is there >anything here I haven't seen before or is it yet ANOTHER get-it-out-quick >compilation? It's great and only cost $9 US new. Nope. Nothing new. Mike says there's a new bit of talking on Douglas In The Jungle, but this is not confirmed (and I expect was tounge-in-cheek when reported!) HW's management described this disc as "the latest abuse of HW's material" It's not approved by the band and they recieve no royalties from it. On the other hand, it is cheap. Actually, Emporio aren't complete rotters and some of their lo-price CD's are really terrific value. Dub-Chill Out gets a lot of play round here and was only 3.49 UKP (if you like Scientist, King Tubby, Lee "Scratch" Perry, it's a bargain) They starting to do comprehensive sleeve notes too, which is always welcome and most often absent from budget releases. > >(2) I found a Various Artists cd called "Assassins Of Silence/100 Watt >Violence" that's dated 1995 on Ceres Records; it's 15 cover versions by >bands from all over; pretty interesting and diverse; is this just the cd >version of the vinyl release? How long has the cd been out, since I don't >remember any discussion of it? It's been discussed a few times. I haven't got a copy :(((((( If I remember correctly the vinyl release has a couple of extra tracks. It's been out a year or more. Can anyone snag a copy for me? pretty please? > >(3) In case you didn't know, the cd release of "California Brainstorm" is >only an edited version of the concert; I was there and have cassette tapes >of the entire show; missing from the cd are nice versions of 'Realms', >'Angels Of Death', 'Wings' and 'Images' as well as some between-song banter; >I don't expect the whole show to fit on one disc but "California Brainstorm" >clocks in at 68:11 and we know that cd's hold about 78 minutes...sure would >have been decent to include another 10 minutes or so of the concert!! Plus, >since this is supposed to be a live recording, how come the songs fade >in/out on the cd, whereas live they often went from one to the other? What's >up with that?? Most HW live Cd's are tweaked in the studio by Brock. But only a bit. :) BTW "Images" is on my CD (Cyclops CYCL-021) > >I'm here in the USA (in California) if anybody needs a reference point. I'm in Richmond/Twickenham, suburb of London, about 3 miles from Simon and about 5 from Andy G. I'm holed up in my windowless office with the heater on, Electric Tepee in the player and THAT'S THE WAY I LIKE IT! > >Jeff -- Jon Browne ObCD - Dope On Plastic Vol.4 From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Apr 18 07:19:40 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 07:19:40 -0400 Subject: OFF: King Crimson's Epitaph Message-ID: > > i dont recall it, but someone did post the tracklist here a while ago. > > what i do recall, is that they were close enuff to identical that i > > wondered why > > anyone would shell out that kind of $$ for it. > > Ahem . . . and how many Hawkwind compilations have you bought? :-) When > it comes to my kollekting, Krimson/Fripp comes first, Zappa second, > Hawkwind third. :-) > well, im no completist. I will not allow Yuri Gagarin in my house. ;) and to answer your question, several. however, most of them were purchased in a mad fury of buying everything i could get my hands on. I wouldn't buy most of them today if i saw them and didnt have them. epitaph isn't exactly the same thing, because it's four sets of live material from different shows. as far as i know, hawkwind doesn't have anything like that. (and i wouldn't buy it if they did.) i didnt mean to knock anyone for wanting it, just meant that it is quite a bit of money to pay out ~all at once~ for 40 songs with 10 titles. (guestimation) i probably should have said "i wondered why anyone would want to shell out that kind of$$ for it." i like KC too. this kind of marketing annoys me, tho, because i'm more into having all the music than in having all the product. I was just really starting to like Monster Magnet, for instance , when it became necessary to purchase a mess of ep's to get all the tracks. they released Negasonic warhead. then they released two ep's as part one and part two, each with an extra track. then two vinyl picture discs, labeled "limited edition." a week after i bought my "limited editions", i saw 5 copies of each in every record store that i went into. now i refuse to buy anything from them. (tho i cant bring myself to trade or sell what i have.) sorry for babbling. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Apr 18 07:26:45 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 07:26:45 -0400 Subject: HW:A Few Topics Message-ID: > (1) I picked up a cd compilation called "Live & Rare-Onward Flies The Bird" > on the Emporio label; it's a combo of live and studio trax, is there > anything here I haven't seen before or is it yet ANOTHER get-it-out-quick > compilation? It's great and only cost $9 US new. um, IMO, you got ripped off by people who ripped the band off. you should really check out the welcome to the future website for news now and then. it is an illegal get it out quick item, with a misleading cover. > (2) I found a Various Artists cd called "Assassins Of Silence/100 Watt > Violence" that's dated 1995 on Ceres Records; it's 15 cover versions by > bands from all over; pretty interesting and diverse; is this just the cd > version of the vinyl release? How long has the cd been out, since I don't > remember any discussion of it? it hasn't been out long, and it is a cd release of the vinyl, tho i think they abbreviated it a bit. > (3) In case you didn't know, the cd release of "California Brainstorm" is > only an edited version of the concert; I was there and have cassette tapes > of the entire show; missing from the cd are nice versions of 'Realms', > 'Angels Of Death', 'Wings' and 'Images' as well as some between-song banter; > I don't expect the whole show to fit on one disc but "California Brainstorm" > clocks in at 68:11 and we know that cd's hold about 78 minutes...sure would > have been decent to include another 10 minutes or so of the concert!! Plus, > since this is supposed to be a live recording, how come the songs fade > in/out on the cd, whereas live they often went from one to the other? What's > up with that?? are they in the original order? i dunno... rj > I'm here in the USA (in California) if anybody needs a reference point. > > Jeff From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Apr 18 07:33:38 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 07:33:38 -0400 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag Message-ID: > >its probably that acetate thingy that brian tawn is so fond of. doesn't he > >have the only copy in existence? > >i don't remember what it is, but it was mentioned in one of the hawkfan > >issues, and i saw it mentioned on this list once... > >rj > > Mind Journey. > \\joe yeah tha's it! the hawkwind holy grail! rj From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 18 12:53:20 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:53:20 BST Subject: HW:A Few Topics In-Reply-To: Jeff Riedle's message of Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:35:44 -0700 Message-ID: Jeff Riedle writes: > 3 Topics to discuss/question: (no, I didn't research these to death, I'd > rather have someone knowledgable just tell me! Jill Strobridge, are you > there?!!) you called? 8-) Bet there's someone else who gets you these answers first tho'! > (1) I picked up a cd compilation called "Live & Rare-Onward Flies The Bird" > on the Emporio label; it's a combo of live and studio trax, is there > anything here I haven't seen before or is it yet ANOTHER get-it-out-quick > compilation? It's great and only cost $9 US new. > I'm not quite sure how it works but there seems to be a whole load of compilation issues that have been produced on CD but for which Hawkwind gets no royalties. This is one of them. Trackwise it's not a bad combination and if you don't have much Hawkwind stuff at all then it's a good intro to the middle space grungerock period (dare I call it this?) of the band. However every single track has been copied intact from the Anthology/Acid Daze issues and the only difference is a slight "cleaning up" of the sound quality. So if you already have Acid Daze issues then don't bother with this one. > (2) I found a Various Artists cd called "Assassins Of Silence/100 Watt > Violence" that's dated 1995 on Ceres Records; it's 15 cover versions by > bands from all over; pretty interesting and diverse; is this just the cd > version of the vinyl release? How long has the cd been out, since I don't > remember any discussion of it? > it got a mention about 3 or 4 months ago - I remember it going through. I've got the vinyl but not the CD > (3) In case you didn't know, the cd release of "California Brainstorm" is > only an edited version of the concert; I was there and have cassette tapes yes, there's no Bridget Wishart on it! > of the entire show; missing from the cd are nice versions of 'Realms', > 'Angels Of Death', 'Wings' and 'Images' as well as some between-song banter; > I don't expect the whole show to fit on one disc but "California Brainstorm" > clocks in at 68:11 and we know that cd's hold about 78 minutes...sure would > have been decent to include another 10 minutes or so of the concert!! Plus, > since this is supposed to be a live recording, how come the songs fade > in/out on the cd, whereas live they often went from one to the other? What's > up with that?? Dunno - however the CD was a legit issue of a live gig (i.e. made by a local label but with the permission of the band) and I know they ran into problems 'cos its production was very delayed. At a guess they had to do some extensive editing since there is a period of prolonged audience laughter in the middle of one of the tracks which (according to those who were there) didn't happen at the real gig at all! It seems to have been pasted in from another occasion. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Apr 18 07:55:07 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 07:55:07 EDT Subject: Cult Classic Message-ID: > From: Teri Cruzan > > I personally don't own "Cult Classics", have'nt gotten around to getting it, > though as a medium to hard core BOC fan...I will eventually get it. First > however, I am still missing other things on CD, like RBN and Spectres, ...and > while they depart from signature BOC stuff, I dig most tracks off both > albums. And I really like many of them...sorry bad with song titles, without > th CD here to help me out. > > So whats the consensus here? When you tell me there are'nt too many fans of > Cult Classics, I can only imagine what you mean. > > BTW I am more hungry more unreleased older material and new material. Aren't > we all? > > Teri Personally, I like a lot of the stuff on CC. IT's worth getting just for Buck's Boogie alone. A definitive version for sure. It's also worthwhile for showing how some of the songs have evolved as live peices, e.g. different endings, etc. The worst thing about CC is that Al and Joe aren't on it! And, it's a bit heretical to have a studio version of Cites on Flame without Al. And since Al wrote many of the songs, the record has a bit of a taint on it... theo From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 18 07:54:08 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 04:54:08 PDT Subject: HW:A Few Topics Message-ID: >> (1) I picked up a cd compilation called "Live & Rare-Onward Flies The >Bird" >> on the Emporio label; it's a combo of live and studio trax, is there >> anything here I haven't seen before or is it yet ANOTHER get-it-out-quick >> compilation? It's great and only cost $9 US new. >um, IMO, you got ripped off by people who ripped the band off. you should >really >check out the welcome to the future website for news now and then. it is an >illegal >get it out quick item, with a misleading cover. Are all the Emporio stuff pirated? I got the Best of FnR CD and it is on the Emporio label. It says on the back it is licensed from Cherry Red Records. I would not have bought it if I had known it was illegal. It is a great compilation and the price was right, even considering I found it as an import up here in Canada in a specialty shop. I never found an import under $10 Canadian before. Guess I should have suspected something. ------------------------- Bryan Young blyoung at hotmail.com ------------------------- My Hawkwind website, recently updated! http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 ---------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 18 08:22:19 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:22:19 -0400 Subject: Cult Classic Message-ID: Some of the major complains of "Cult Classic" are (as I remeber them): 1. WHY? (like, release new material instead!) 2. Poor use of digital technology - the recordings sound somewhat "sterile" 3. Some of the performances (in particular Eric's vocals on ETI) seem "uninspired" 4. "TV Mixes" - again, why? 5. No Bouchards (as Theo mentioned) 6. This is the album we all ended up getting after about 2 years of the band promising us an album with new material. 7. Not the greatest of mixing (other than "Flaming Telepaths", keyboards seem almost non-existent) 8. Song selection - this of course is debatable as to what you should put on or leave off, but something like "Stairway to the Stars" could easily have replaced one of the "TV Mixes" Overall, there's sort of a feeling of the band "mailing it in", so to speak, on this album. Personally, I like this album for what it is, and the studio Buck's Boogie makes it worth the price alone. But - other than being somewhat interesting for the slightly different versions of songs, it's an album that most people feel they don't need. Want a compilation? Well, then WOTT is the superior choice (of course WOTT didn't exist when CC came out). Already have the other albums? Then you may not care to hear more of the same songs (unless you're one of those crazy fanatical die-hards that has to have everything -- I say this with my hand raised in the air). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 18 08:35:27 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:35:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: No, Bolle didn't say when BOC's catalog would be re-mastered. I don't know what he knows about this, but he told me (via e-mail) fairly emphatically that it WOULD happen. Wishful thinking from a fanatical fan, or info from someone in the know? I don't know the answer to that. My guess would be that Bolle knows that there is some serious interest in doing so (perhaps by someone in the biz?), but since I have not heard anywhere else about this being a reality, when and if this will happen is unknown to me. But, I've talked/e-mailed the guy many times, and I tend to believe him on these matters. Sure, his opinions are not always everyone's cup of tea (I mean, he recently stated that "Club Ninja" was getting some of the most play on his player -- what a nut! ;-) but he certainly is better in touch with these things than I am. So, we'll wait and see. Speaking of this, Bolle and I had some "discussion" on last Tuesday's chat about some of this. In response to someone asking about getting unreleased BOC stuff out, Bolle said that the first step was to get the catalog re-mastered (perhaps with some xtra tracks?). I chimed in saying that personally I'd prefer to see unreleased stuff first, which Bolle disagrees with, and cited the problems with the sound quality of the CDs (having never listened to the vinyl on a good quality system, I can't say that I've noticed a tremendous difference between vinyl and CD). But, personally, I've listened to BOC's catalog at its current level of quality for so long that the level of quality is not an issue for me - given the choice between a low-quality "Arthur Comics" and a ultra-high quality "(Don't Fear) The Reaper", I'll take new material over remastering ANY day. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 18 08:39:52 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:39:52 -0400 Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? Message-ID: >Where's my Cagey Cretins?!?!?!?!?!? Actually..... thinking about it, I'd have to say I'd even prefer Cretins over TMP. Of all the songs they might have chosen to represent CE.... Well, Cagey Cretins wasn't on WOTT... The Marshall Plan, of course, was chosen to represent CE on WOTT because it was released as a single. That was the logic anyway, flawed as it may be. Cultosaurus Erectus screams of some great tunes (Black Blade, Monsters, Divine Wind) - frankly, I'm not sure why TMP was ever made into a single, although I suppose it's more pop-oriented direction was presumed to be more palpable to the masses -- then again, what can you expect from a record company that didn't recognize Imaginos as the great album that it is? They literally did not know what to do with it! John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 18 08:43:46 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:43:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: Summerdaze Tracks Message-ID: Eric Bloom announced on AOL that the tracks to appear on the Summerdaze album (although I think things are not fully negotiated yet) are live versions of "The Reaper" and "Godzilla" (probably from 1992? - he mentioned that John Miceli drummed on the tracks), plus a studio version of "The Power Underneath Despair" (this track was also recorded previously - Eric mentioned that Chuck Burgi was on the track). Someone else mentioned a website with info on this stuff, but of course, I forgot to bring the URL to type it in here (anybody?). However, apparently that album is scheduled to be released near the end of this May! So, maybe if they do this Summerdaze thing a few more times, we'll get "Ezekiel's Wheel" released that way . . . ;-) John From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Apr 18 09:17:56 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:17:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: Re: Cult Classic Message-ID: >Some of the major complains of "Cult Classic" are (as I remeber them): > >then WOTT is the superior choice (of course WOTT didn't exist when CC came >out). Already have the other albums? Then you may not care to hear more >of the same songs (unless you're one of those crazy fanatical die-hards >that has to have everything -- I say this with my hand raised in the air). Checklist for BOC crazy fanatical die-hard (singles section omitted for brevity) ( ) Both U.S. and U.K. releases of Club Ninja needed for White Flags fadeout variation. ( ) After the above, need new re-release of Club Ninja for new liner notes ( ) After getting Cult Classic, need Champions of Rock version with a different cover picture ( ) Need both double-wide case WOTT and slimline case WOTT. ( ) Planning trip to Indonesia to track down the RBN/CN tape. ( ) Gotta have two version of every Brain Surgeons album: with & without UPC label ( ) You own every word ever published by Arthur Levy. ( ) You need that tape version of "Career of Evil" that has "Do it like you oughtta" ( ) Need both initial and french releases of 'Flat Out' ( ) You spent over $200 trying to get tape of Eric singing in Japanese. etc. Any others? +----------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff of the Amtgard Barony of Silverwater| (Kingdom of the Burning Lands), aka | Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +---------------------------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 18 14:49:21 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:49:21 BST Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: Ron Jennings's message of Fri, 18 Apr 1997 07:33:38 -0400 Message-ID: Ron Jennings writes: > > >its probably that acetate thingy that brian tawn is so fond of. doesn't > he > > >have the only copy in existence? > > >i don't remember what it is, but it was mentioned in one of the hawkfan > > >issues, and i saw it mentioned on this list once... > > >rj > > > > Mind Journey. > > \\joe > > yeah tha's it! the hawkwind holy grail! I think the Holy Grail is the LP with Hawkwind on one side and Jefferson Airplane on the other. Mike W knows the only person I've ever heard of that's seen this one. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 18 15:09:44 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:09:44 BST Subject: HW: TV gig In-Reply-To: SKARSOL's message of Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:45:39 +0000 Message-ID: SKARSOL writes: > M Holmes wrote: > > > P.S: wasn't someone on this list videoing the Nik gig which had Moorcock > > at it (Texas?) - any news on this? > > > FoFPhey mike.i know the guy(somewhat)who has these tapes{the professional ones intended > for the cleo release},and i will eventually get a copy.when i do i will forward a copy > to you,and you can circulate it in uk and europe. rj Did this ever happen? FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Apr 18 10:27:33 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:27:33 EDT Subject: Cult Classic Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Some of the major complains of "Cult Classic" are (as I remeber them): > > 1. WHY? (like, release new material instead!) > 2. Poor use of digital technology - the recordings sound somewhat "sterile" Valid criticism indeed. Also, BD's guitar is a little over-processed for my taste... > 3. Some of the performances (in particular Eric's vocals on ETI) seem > "uninspired" Maybe it was an early manifestation of his current vocal 'problems?' > 4. "TV Mixes" - again, why? an abomination... > 5. No Bouchards (as Theo mentioned) > 6. This is the album we all ended up getting after about 2 years of the > band promising us an album with new material. Esp. considering that we know the material exists, and has been played live for years... > 7. Not the greatest of mixing (other than "Flaming Telepaths", keyboards > seem almost non-existent) Really! Was Allen present for any of this? theo From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 18 15:29:10 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:29:10 BST Subject: London gig - where? Message-ID: Does anyone know where the London gig on October 31st is? I tried Shepherd's Bush Empire without success. FoFP From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Fri Apr 18 10:46:36 1997 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:46:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: King Crimson's Epitaph Message-ID: Hmmmm, I would have thought King Crimson was too far astray for his list, but since the subject of the new Epitaph set has been bandied about, I would like to mention that back in March there was a pre-release listening party of the album in London that included the original members. As it turns out, there will also be a U.S. listening party, too! This event will be on April 26 at 3pm at HMV Record Stores on 86th and Lexington in New York City! Attending this event will be Robert Fripp, Ian McDonald, Greg Lake and Michael Giles! I have this information posted on The Artist Shop Bulletin Board at . Also check out the graphic and soundbite I have for the Epitaph discs at . And while your there, I expect you to stop by and visit my page for Albert Bouchard and the Brain Surgeons at . Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Fri Apr 18 11:39:22 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:39:22 -0600 Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? -Reply Message-ID: >>> John A Swartz 04/18/97 06:39am >>> >Where's my Cagey Cretins?!?!?!?!?!? >>Actually..... thinking about it, I'd have to say I'd even prefer >Cretins over TMP. Of all the songs they might have chosen to >>represent CE.... >Well, Cagey Cretins wasn't on WOTT... Nor was it on CE :) >Cultosaurus Erectus screams of some great tunes (Black Blade, >Monsters, Divine Wind) - frankly, I'm not sure why TMP was >ever made into a single, although I suppose it's more >pop-oriented direction was presumed to be more palpable to the >masses Heh, well I like TMP. I think it's a fun tongue-in-cheek kind of song. But there was Lips and Hungry boys too, wasn't HB a semi-hit? I vaguely remember hearing it on the radio. I wasn't in to the band then (my loss). >-- then again, what can you expect from a record company that >didn't recognize Imaginos as the great album that it is? They >literally did not know what to do with it! I know what to do with it. :) put it in the player, turn the amp to 11 and then hit the "repeat" button. Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 18 10:44:20 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:44:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: <9704181449.aa16269@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9704181449.aa16269 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >I think the Holy Grail is the LP with Hawkwind on one side and Jefferson >Airplane on the other. Mike W knows the only person I've ever heard of >that's seen this one. Good golly, I vaguely remember reading about this. Please can you add some more details? Mark Edmonds From BrizoCult at AOL.COM Fri Apr 18 11:41:50 1997 From: BrizoCult at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:41:50 -0400 Subject: BOC: Summerdaze Tracks Message-ID: I unfortunaely don't have the URL for the site on the new album. But I have been there, and its great. It's called "Ezekiels Wheel" and put together by a guy named Randy. There is a direct link to this site over on Jacks righteous , "Blue Oyster Cult On-Line": http://j-and-a.com/boca.html I know you knew that John....:-) Jack does a fine job, keeping the site up uo date, he has many of the best links to BOC stuff on the web. He even has an audio of 'Astronomy' from SEE. Lots of visuals and of course the Bulletin Board. Good health to you, Teri From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 18 08:17:25 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:17:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: <9704181108.aa17844@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9704181108.aa17844 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes > >I don't have the Hassan I Sabha 7" but I know two people who have both >of them. The standard BBC Transcription Disc is rumoured to have 24 >copies around and at one point I'd located six of them. I do have >another BBC Transcription Disc with two live tracks "Silver Machine" and >"Brainstorm" on it as well as Bowie and Pretty Things. Mine is the only >copy I've ever heard of. Hawkwind *and* The Pretty Things? .....whine.....! What Things track is it? -- Jon Browne From BrizoCult at AOL.COM Fri Apr 18 11:46:30 1997 From: BrizoCult at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:46:30 -0400 Subject: BOC: Re: Cult Classic Message-ID: More proof of diehard Cult fans..... maybe...need to own two concert Tshirts of all available, one to wear, and one to keep in the bottom of a drawer. LOL Still buying vinyl, even though you haven't owned a turntable for 10 years. Collecting Godzilla figures. and how could we forget....get BOC related tattoos! ROTFL......Teri From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Apr 18 11:48:11 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:48:11 -0400 Subject: HW:A Few Topics Message-ID: > > (3) In case you didn't know, the cd release of "California Brainstorm" is > > only an edited version of the concert; I was there and have cassette tapes > > yes, there's no Bridget Wishart on it! > depends on which version ya have.... the Iloki version has her singing reefer madness... don't know if its from that venue or not, tho. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Apr 18 11:50:39 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:50:39 -0400 Subject: HW:A Few Topics Message-ID: > >um, IMO, you got ripped off by people who ripped the band off. you should > >really > >check out the welcome to the future website for news now and then. it is an > >illegal > >get it out quick item, with a misleading cover. > > > Are all the Emporio stuff pirated? I got the Best of FnR CD and > it is on the Emporio label. It says on the back it is > licensed from Cherry Red Records. I would not have bought it > if I had known it was illegal. i might have been wrong by saying it is illegal... it probably legal thru some loophole or another, but it is certainly not nice. don't feel bad, if ya didnt know, ya didnt know. and you really dont have to worry about it even if you did know. i dont know anything else about this company. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Apr 18 11:54:53 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:54:53 -0400 Subject: HW: TV gig Message-ID: > > SKARSOL writes: > > > M Holmes wrote: > > > > > P.S: wasn't someone on this list videoing the Nik gig which had Moorcock > > > at it (Texas?) - any news on this? > > > > > FoFPhey mike.i know the guy(somewhat)who has these tapes{the professional ones intended > > for the cleo release},and i will eventually get a copy.when i do i will forward a copy > > to you,and you can circulate it in uk and europe. rj > > Did this ever happen? > > FoFP gawd! i don't even remember who that was! sorry mike, i guess i dropped the ball. rj From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri Apr 18 12:09:30 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:09:30 +0200 Subject: Hawkfan Festival in Hamburg Message-ID: Hi folks Received the following letter from one of the organizers of the Festival ================================================= T I M E S C H E D U L E Friday, June 13 14:00h Rehersal Nik Turner / The Moor 18:00h The Rakes (Local Hard Rock Band) 20:00h Captain Rizz Saturday, June 14 20:00h Darxtar 22:00h The Moor with Nik Turner 24:00h Alan Daveys Bedouin Status: 14.04.1997 The approach of HAWKWIND is possible but not confirmed yet ================================================ cheers Bernhard From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 18 08:20:11 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:20:11 +0100 Subject: HW:A Few Topics In-Reply-To: <19970418112809257.AAA143@hawk2> Message-ID: In message <19970418112809257.AAA143 at hawk2>, Ron Jennings writes >um, IMO, you got ripped off by people who ripped the band off. you should >really >check out the welcome to the future website for news now and then. it is an >illegal >get it out quick item, with a misleading cover. > It's not an illegal release. Shoddy perhaps. The cover is very misleading and the title is an outright lie but it's bulletproof legally. -- Jon Browne From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri Apr 18 12:20:49 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:20:49 CDT Subject: HW: TV gig Message-ID: I know that Mike Coleman and Bob Lennon (hi Bob!) have copies of these shows; I think I have an audio copy of the 1st show, but as I've not update my Hawklist in awhile, I'm not sure. Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Friday, April 18, 1997 11:01 AM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: HW: TV gig > > SKARSOL writes: > > > M Holmes wrote: > > > > > P.S: wasn't someone on this list videoing the Nik gig which had Moorcock > > > at it (Texas?) - any news on this? > > > > > FoFPhey mike.i know the guy(somewhat)who has these tapes{the professional ones intended > > for the cleo release},and i will eventually get a copy.when i do i will forward a copy > > to you,and you can circulate it in uk and europe. rj > > Did this ever happen? > > FoFP gawd! i don't even remember who that was! sorry mike, i guess i dropped the ball. rj From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Apr 18 12:35:44 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:35:44 -0400 Subject: HW:A Few Topics In-Reply-To: <9704181253.aa29474@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, J Strobridge wrote: [[About _Assassins of Silence/Hundred-Watt Violence_]] > it got a mention about 3 or 4 months ago - I remember it going through. > I've got the vinyl but not the CD I posted about this in March, and there was quite a bit of followup discussion viz CD vs. LP versions. Check out the BOC-L archives ("http://listserv.spc.edu/archives/boc-l.html"; March 1997, week 1) for further details. > > I don't expect the whole show to fit on one disc but "California Brainstorm" > > clocks in at 68:11 and we know that cd's hold about 78 minutes...sure would > > have been decent to include another 10 minutes or so of the concert!! Plus, > > since this is supposed to be a live recording, how come the songs fade > > in/out on the cd, whereas live they often went from one to the other? What's > > up with that?? > > Dunno - however the CD was a legit issue of a live gig (i.e. made by a local > label but with the permission of the band) and I know they ran into problems > 'cos its production was very delayed. At a guess they had to do some > extensive editing since there is a period of prolonged audience laughter > in the middle of one of the tracks which (according to those who were > there) didn't happen at the real gig at all! It seems to have been > pasted in from another occasion. Wasn't it established that this wasn't audience laughter, but was in fact a pre-recorded tape sequence from "Out of the Shadows." If you listen to the studio version, there is an "audience laughter" soundbite on there too; I think the one played at the gig (and recorded on the CD) is the same one. Cheers, Paul. obCheese: 101 Strings, _Astro Sounds From Beyond The Year 2000_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 18 12:42:32 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:42:32 -0400 Subject: BOC: Re: Cult Classic Message-ID: Beautiful list! >( ) Both U.S. and U.K. releases of Club Ninja needed for White Flags fadeout variation. Yep - that's me. >( ) After the above, need new re-release of Club Ninja for new liner notes I'm thinkin' about it, but haven't bitten yet. >( ) After getting Cult Classic, need Champions of Rock version with a different cover picture Well, I did get Champions of Rock - mostly to ensure it really was Cult Classic (anybody want a copy?) >( ) Need both double-wide case WOTT and slimline case WOTT. Whaddaya think I am - some kinda nut?!?! (no, I don't have both cases) >( ) Planning trip to Indonesia to track down the RBN/CN tape. I'm callin' my travel agent tonight ;-) >( ) Gotta have two version of every Brain Surgeons album: with & without UPC label REAL Brain Surgeons fans get tBS albums as soon as they're available - so of course I've got the one's without the UPC labels :-) >( ) You own every word ever published by Arthur Levy. Hmm... Got all the tour programs (except the UK book that is essentially the same as the US one - forget which tour - but a different size - guess the fanatics would have both), Mirrors press folder, WOTT - if I get the Koch release Club Ninja will I have all of his works? >( ) You need that tape version of "Career of Evil" that has "Do it like you oughtta" Got this - my only reason for keeping my CD copy of "On Flame with Rock and Roll" (available in cutout bins everywhere!) >( ) Need both initial and french releases of 'Flat Out' Nope - but just wait 'til the re-mastered version comes out . . . ;-) >( ) You spent over $200 trying to get tape of Eric singing in Japanese. Only a Swede would do something as crazy as this . . . ;-) John (who's not quite as fanatical as he thought...) From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Apr 18 12:44:17 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:44:17 -0400 Subject: HW:A Few Topics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > It's not an illegal release. Shoddy perhaps. The cover is very > misleading and the title is an outright lie but it's bulletproof > legally. Well, Doug Smith's "open letter" (http://www.hawkwind.com/dougletter.htm) is directed specifically at this release. Why would he do so if it was legit? I don't understand. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Bardo Pond, _Amanita_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 18 10:46:22 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:46:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Updates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Paul Mather writes >Sounds like it could be _Maximum Effect_ (yet to be released on CD, alas, >despite being, IMHO, ICU's finest hour). See the HW discography for track >listing. Yes that`s it! Thanks. Being new to the list I don`t know the source of all the sources (so to speak). Where do I find the HW discography? Thanks, -- Mark Edmonds From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Apr 18 13:30:20 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:30:20 EDT Subject: gulp! Message-ID: > From: Teri Cruzan > More proof of diehard Cult fans..... > >> > Still buying vinyl, even though you haven't owned a turntable for 10 years. Guilty as charged! Though I do own a working turntable, and yeah, I have > > Collecting Godzilla figures. > > and how could we forget....get BOC related tattoos! > ROTFL......Teri > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Apr 18 13:33:31 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:33:31 EDT Subject: BOC: Is it me (or did I watch too much TV)? -Reply Message-ID: > From: "Brad M. Lauchnor" > > Heh, well I like TMP. I think it's a fun tongue-in-cheek kind of song. But there > was Lips and Hungry boys too, wasn't HB a semi-hit? I vaguely remember hearing > it on the radio. I wasn't in to the band then (my loss). > tMP is worthwhile for BD's blistering guitar solo as 'Johnny' becomes a phenonenon... theo From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Apr 18 13:42:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:42:00 +0100 Subject: HW:A Few Topics In-Reply-To: Ron Jennings' mail of Fri, 18 Apr 97 11:48 -0400 Message-ID: On 18 Apr 16:48, Ron Jennings wrote: > depends on which version ya have.... > the Iloki version has her singing reefer madness... don't know if its > from that venue or not, tho. She also does the intro to Ejection. There's another version that includes "Images" (from a different gig); does she sing on that track? Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Apr 18 14:04:23 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:04:23 UT Subject: HW: London gig - where? Message-ID: >Does anyone know where the London gig on October 31st is? I tried Shepherd's >Bush Empire without success. That's what the hawkwind.com page says, but there's been no sign of it in any gig listings I've seen around London. I guess tickets just aren't on sale yet - it's more than six months away, after all! Then again, this week's _Time Out_ lists Gary Numan at the Empire for Oct 26, so maybe they'll be on sale soon. Soon as I see anything, I'll post it. - Andy ObNearerFutureGig: The New Christs, tomorrow! Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Apr 18 14:51:15 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 20:51:15 +0200 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag Message-ID: >Another rarity is Brian Tawn's copy of "Hawkwind Mind Journey" which I >understood to be an acetate but I've seen someone on this list print a >catalogue number for it. AFAIK Brian's copy is the only one know to >hawkfandom. > >FoFP haven't seen a cat no for it, but there's a label: (slightly edited...) \\joe ---------------------------------------------------- Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 16:03:11 +0200 Sender: BOCL at spcvxa.spc.edu Subject: Mind Journey > Anyone know the information about this Hawkwind bootleg lp? Where was > it recorded, set list, and how rare is the actual vinyl? The MIND JOURNEY BOOTLEG was recorded in Glasgow (UK) on 10.Aug.1975. The cover is in plain white and the record label is white too :-(( It was released in 1976/1977 by Nebula records It is *absolutely rare*. I know only BRIAN TAWN who has got it! The track listing: mind journey / auusault & battery / golden void / standing at the edge / psychedelic warlords / wind of change / warrior at the end of time / paradox / spiral galaxy 28948 NOT ON THE BOOT..... wizzard blew his horn / magnu / opa loka / sonic attac / master of the universe / welcome / brainstorm btw: 28948 is the birthday from Simon King (28.Sep.1948) Bernhard b_pospiech at shamrock.ping.de From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Apr 18 14:51:16 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 20:51:16 +0200 Subject: HW: Yuri Message-ID: >>...and yes, Yuri is much better than it's rumour (as a waste of plastic) - > >Okay, so it's not a waste of plastic. I have the Charly CD >with the wrong date (1976) on it. What else can I do with >it instead of letting it be a waste of plastic? play it..? From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Apr 18 15:24:06 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:24:06 -0400 Subject: HW: TV gig Message-ID: > I know that Mike Coleman and Bob Lennon (hi Bob!) have copies of these > shows; I think I have an audio copy of the 1st show, but as I've not > update my Hawklist in awhile, I'm not sure. > > Allan. well, i know mike coleman has it, but he's not online. as far as i know, bob doesn't have the show with moorcock on vid. he lives right up the road from me, and he >usually< tells me these things. he might have it on audio. i think the guy i was talking to originally was one of the dougs who subscribes/used to subscribe to the list. good luck.. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Apr 18 15:39:24 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:39:24 -0400 Subject: HW:A Few Topics Message-ID: > On 18 Apr 16:48, Ron Jennings wrote: > > depends on which version ya have.... > > the Iloki version has her singing reefer madness... don't know if its > > from that venue or not, tho. > > She also does the intro to Ejection. There's another version that includes > "Images" (from a different gig); does she sing on that track? > > Dave. oh hell, yer right! both the version i mentioned {Iloki} and the cyclops version have reefer madness, and the Iloki ver. has images. yes, she sings on both songs. rj From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Apr 18 16:29:42 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:29:42 -0600 Subject: BOC-Brushing That Hair Message-ID: ME >Bottom Line: Who knows how BOC's career would have turned out had they >approached it differently. I imagine at times that had they stuck with the beginning and matured from there they would have sounded like a >mix of Black Sabbath and Pink Floyd. One can only wonder in the long run. > AA>I'll agree with most of that, except to add that it seemed like the >first three albums were as forced a style as any of the rest, trying to fit >the image of being Columbia's Black Sabbath. In part AOF seemed to be that >stopping, and probably a lot also those darn 4-track thingamajigs that meant >they could all go out and write songs on their own instead of together.... and.. Theo>Wasn't the approach taken on the first 3 records more a path chosen >by Pearlman/Krugman? Seems like that's how Al has said it was. Of course >Columbia would have loved BOC to emulate Sab, at least at first, but after >AOF, BOC far surpassed Sab's commercial appeal. Makes sense to me. It dosen't paint a pretty picture however. When you look at who wrote what its true that beginning with AOF the band did more song writing and Pearlman less. But the boys did plenty of writing on those first three too. Perhaps had they stayed the general course Pearlman laid out they'd sound much different than the later half of the discography. Put Marshal Plan, Let Go, White Flags, Make Rock Not War, Debbie Denise and few others on the same disc, a cover photo showing everyone in three foot tall hairdo's and what do you have? I think you can guess. We'll never know but do you think at the mid to end of their album careers these guys contemplated wearing spandex and perming their hair? At a minimum you'd have to say they would have made one mediocre hair band. 8>) Obcd: Gov't Mule - Live at The Roseland Ballroom >L8er > >lil' ab > >"Some people fly...and some of us worry. I'd risk it all to have wings. I >know if I try I'll get where I'm going, keeping my eyes on the sky." > No hairband nomination today, but since Torgo has emerged from the shadows, I'd like to know what blend of coffee you been drinking lately? >I've been mixing Duncan's doh NUTS with 7/11 swill. 8>) > > > > From PsychoGuy at AOL.COM Fri Apr 18 17:20:11 1997 From: PsychoGuy at AOL.COM (Bill Futreal) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:20:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: Fwd: Buck Dharma Benefit Message-ID: Speaking of the BD benefit, I met someone at the show who said he was on the BOC-L. You were sitting on the second row, my brother and I were sitting next to you (I was taking pictures). Unfortunately, I can't recall your name (the number of people I met was overwhelming!). Are you out there?? Bill From BrizoCult at AOL.COM Fri Apr 18 17:54:44 1997 From: BrizoCult at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:54:44 -0400 Subject: BOC: Fwd: Buck Dharma Benefit Message-ID: Bill, well it wasnt me, I have been trying to figure out which guy was you, your bro or Shawn. I have pics of all of ya. This is Teri, blonde, 1/2 buzzed ....did I BS with ya at the Dixie bar...and ask you your name again and again, was your brother a little younger, with darker hair, was Shawn kinda blonde/brown beard with a brown leather coat? ....if so email me, I got pics for ya. Make copies when I return in a week or so. Whoever wore the brown leather, will faint when they see the cool pic of him and Sandy kneeling and visiting at the Dixie. Teri From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri Apr 18 17:56:37 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:56:37 CDT Subject: HW: TV gig Message-ID: Well, I talked to Bob on Tuesday night this week, and he commented that he both the MM with Nik shows on video (shot one himself, I think, or at least knew the folks who had). Just what he told me.... Have a good weekend everyone! Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Friday, April 18, 1997 2:42 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: HW: TV gig > I know that Mike Coleman and Bob Lennon (hi Bob!) have copies of these > shows; I think I have an audio copy of the 1st show, but as I've not > update my Hawklist in awhile, I'm not sure. > > Allan. well, i know mike coleman has it, but he's not online. as far as i know, bob doesn't have the show with moorcock on vid. he lives right up the road from me, and he >usually< tells me these things. he might have it on audio. i think the guy i was talking to originally was one of the dougs who subscribes/used to subscribe to the list. good luck.. rj From dahl at AROS.NET Sun Apr 20 01:17:17 1997 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:17:17 -0600 Subject: BOC: Fwd: Buck Dharma Benefit Message-ID: > Right on Chuck, thanks for the filters, helps save me deleting so many > messages! And thanks for the review of the Atlanta experience from your > side of things-sounds like it was great. Now if people would just remove the Re: when they reply so the filters would work. I love you guys, Brad From dahl at AROS.NET Sun Apr 20 01:38:42 1997 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:38:42 -0600 Subject: BOC: while we're talking about CE... Message-ID: I had tickets somewhere on the floor of the Pauley Pavillion for the CE tour. That morning I almost died from internal bleeding and ended up at the hospital. Instead of letting me go to the concert, they insisted on taking out 90% of my large intestine. I gave the tickets to some losers that never got back to me to tell me about the show. Maybe you guys can tell me what songs they played off CE on this tour. The only song I've ever heard them play off it was Lips in the Hills two tours ago when Eric could still sing. It was great. CC? I like it. Sure it could've been a lot better. It's pretty much demo tape quality. One thing that bothers me is: why did they feel the need to try and make The Reaper and Godzilla so close to the originals? I really enjoy the different versions of most the songs, and Buck's Boogie is excellent. Love you guys, Brad From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Apr 19 01:51:18 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 01:51:18 -0400 Subject: BOC: while we're talking about CE... Message-ID: >CC? I like it. Sure it could've been a lot better. It's pretty much demo >tape quality. One thing that bothers me is: why did they feel the need to >try and make The Reaper and Godzilla so close to the originals? I really >enjoy the different versions of most the songs, and Buck's Boogie is >excellent. CC was in part because King wanted Reaper for "The Stand", and they couldn't use the originals. So they redid them on a new album with other old stuff redone also. But they were probably trying to get Reaper (and Zilla, which was also used) as close as possible so people would think it was the original version which King wanted. The other songs, not being used on The Stand, were not under any such requirements... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Apr 19 07:14:05 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 21:14:05 +1000 Subject: OFF: The New Christs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11 Apr 97 at 18:58, Andrew Gilham wrote: > Some will be interested: > > Rob Younger (Radio Birdman's) outfit - new album - _Lower Yourself_ and > imminent Eurpoean tour! Including the Garage, London, Sat 19th April! > > And the album is good, raunchy, post-Detroit rock. I saw New Christ's support Iggy Pop in Melbourne in 84 ... ton's of energy! Don't know what they are like these days though Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Apr 19 07:46:37 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 21:46:37 +1000 Subject: HW: Updates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 18 Apr 97 at 15:46, Mark Edmonds wrote: > Yes that`s it! Thanks. Being new to the list I don`t know the source of all > the sources (so to speak). Where do I find the HW discography? I've got variations of it on my website/s. FoFP/Jill's Discography: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files/discogra.txt (Text) http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files/discogra.zip (Text zipped) HTML Version of above: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks/Codex/ HawkJoe's "Top 100" discography: ftp://ftp.pcmicro.com.au/pub/sonique/hwtop100.doc (Word 6) ftp://ftp.pcmicro.com.au/pub/sonique/hwtop100.zip (as above - zipped) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From torgo at NORWICH.NET Sat Apr 19 09:23:58 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:23:58 -0400 Subject: BOC-Brushing That Hair Message-ID: AB sez: >Put Marshal Plan, Let Go, White Flags, Make Rock Not War, >Debbie Denise and few others on the same disc, a cover photo showing >everyone in three foot tall hairdo's and what do you have? I think you >can guess. We'll never know but do you think at the mid to end of their >album careers these guys contemplated wearing spandex and perming their >hair? At a minimum you'd have to say they would have made one mediocre >hair band. 8>) Wanna know why I like the hair bands? Glad you asked. At least when the hair bands were big, although the "fashion" that went with the music was hokey and silly, when a band left the stage it (for the most part) ended there. Sure Y&T combed their hair straight up in a tower that would make Don King jealous and wore mascara. But you rarely saw the kids that listened too it walking down the street wearing mascara. Today's music is all about fashion and nothing else. Kids tune into a new video to see how many tattoos he has to get now because the vox man has them, and to see how many wool hats with tassles he has to yank over his head this week. Then he decides that his pants aren't NEARLY baggy enough and starts shopping fat shops to get a pair of 70+ pants he can drag behind him like a damn parachute. THEN the song comes second. Another reason to like the 70s music (you see I am tying BOC back into this). Alot of bands I heard I had no picture to put with them. If they had an album cover pose that was it unless you saw them live. Many a band I heard on the radio that I still like alot today I STILL don't have a face or an image to set it to, yet its great stuff. Today its the other way around. Maybe I'm crazy, but I never tried to look like the rock star I wasn't. I let them wear the hair and the leather and the spandex and the whatever, and I tried to look like me and me alone. Like I tell people who try to dress the image, I am a big Hockey fan too, but you'll never see me walking down the street wearing pads and a farking goalie mask. So what does this have to do with BOC and AB's remark. Actually very little. I had a point when I sat down at the keyboard this morning, but it seems to have evolved into something else. :^D Torgo has left the building..... torgo at norwich.net ****************************************************************** "Sanity is just a one trick pony. I mean, you only get one trick. Aw, but when you're good & crazy.... man, the sky's the limit!" - The Tick ****************************************************************** From PsychoGuy at AOL.COM Sat Apr 19 09:30:35 1997 From: PsychoGuy at AOL.COM (Bill Futreal) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:30:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: Fwd: Buck Dharma Benefit Message-ID: Teri - Yeah, my brother was younger, with darker and longer hair. I have very short hair and (sort of) a beard (some might call it a goatee). I was wearing a blue pullover shirt. I was in the Microtel lobby when you came in Friday afternoon. Shawn had the beard and was wearing a leather jacket. Unfortunately, I had to get back so I didn't make the Dixie Tavern gig :-(. Bill From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat Apr 19 09:12:31 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:12:31 -0400 Subject: BOC: Fwd: Buck Dharma Benefit Message-ID: > > Right on Chuck, thanks for the filters, helps save me deleting so many > > messages! And thanks for the review of the Atlanta experience from your > > side of things-sounds like it was great. > > Now if people would just remove the Re: when they reply so the filters > would work. you mean like you did? ;P ;) really, i think that's a job for the listkeepers. to make the list recognize and ignore the re: word. i thought it was like that already, but then i don't bother with the filters. > > I love you guys, we love you back. rj BTW- i did remove the (re:). did it work? > Brad From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat Apr 19 09:17:01 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:17:01 -0400 Subject: BOC: while we're talking about CE... Message-ID: > CC was in part because King wanted Reaper for "The Stand", and they > couldn't use the originals. So they redid them on a new album with other > old stuff redone also. But they were probably trying to get Reaper (and > Zilla, which was also used) as close as possible so people would think > it was the original version which King wanted. The other songs, not > being used on The Stand, were not under any such requirements... i didn't think the reaper (stand) version was all that similar to the original... i remember listening VERY closely, trying to determine if it was boc or a cover. it was only the guitar style that gave me the right answer, thinking: they can copy the song but not the style. also, where was godzilla used in the stand? i have it on tape and have watched the whole thing four times (i really like it) but haven't noticed zilla in there.... rj From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sat Apr 19 12:14:40 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 12:14:40 -0400 Subject: The BOC-L filters In-Reply-To: <199704190516.XAA17926@mailhub.aros.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, dahl wrote: > Now if people would just remove the Re: when they reply so the filters > would work. As far as I recall, the filters ignore "Re:" when determining the filter keyword. Perhaps Ben would know the definitive answer? Cheers, Paul. obCD: 101 Strings, _Astro Sounds From Beyond The Year 2000_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Sat Apr 19 12:46:54 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 12:46:54 -0400 Subject: HW: Updates/new ICU!!! Message-ID: As you all know the new Inner City Unit CD: "Now You KNow The Score" is out (sans Nik) it is released on Judgement records and will be available from Delta Wave within the next week or two give Mike a call at delta 214-991-6621 if you mention this post - he'll give you a good price Mike is also looking to trade for rare HW items and currently has a copy or two of the Quark EP on clear vinyl to trade (actually I've got one copy to trade if anyone is interested) bl From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Sat Apr 19 12:58:33 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 12:58:33 -0400 Subject: HW: TV gig/nik/moorcock video tape Message-ID: Re: Video tape of Nik Turner w/moorcock as guest i do have a (I believe a 2nd generation) copy of the video shot by an audience member of (all) the Texas shows i haven't seen any "pro" shots of these shows the quality is very good bl From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Apr 19 15:21:04 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 05:21:04 +1000 Subject: HW: Updates/new ICU!!! Message-ID: Bob Lennon wrote: > > As you all know the new Inner City Unit CD: > "Now You KNow The Score" > is out (sans Nik) > it is released on Judgement records and will > be available from Delta Wave within the next > week or two > give Mike a call at delta 214-991-6621 > if you mention this post - he'll give you a good price What-what, what-what-what? I will assume this is some kind of release of old material, concerts etc. Fate cannot be so kind as to give unto humanity a new incarnation of ICU. What is this album? Is there an address to write to for this company? I don't really think that I would like to call up from Australia (considering how much time I spend on the phone already)? No, surely it can't be a NEW ICU?!?! It's not possible. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Apr 19 20:42:29 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 20:42:29 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Updates/new ICU!!! Message-ID: On s?n 20 apr 1997 05.21 "Max Wilcox" wrote: > Fate cannot be so kind as to give unto humanity a new incarnation > of ICU. > No, surely it can't be a NEW ICU?!?! It's not possible. It is, I believe. I'm pretty sure there was an announcement for it some time ago on the list. Cheers, Carl From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sat Apr 19 16:39:07 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 21:39:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: nomail Message-ID: Hi Could someone please tell me how I set the diceussion list to nomail. I've tried to set it as set nomail BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU but don't get any where and I tried set nomail but that didn't work either. Thanks. Timothy Fintan Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com "I like all music, if pigs fly, but check out Quo, Hawkwind, Blues" (Timmy) *************TUNE IN FOR BIGGEST THING SINCE RADIO FRIST STARTED************* * Oxygen 107.9 - A shake up in broadcasting has just happened thanks to us. * ***************************************************************************** * Talk Radio - That's what I said: Talk Radio so Free call 0500 105389. * * For those of you how don't live in oxford it's the next best thing. * *You were once a kid and you must remeber Tommy boyd so check out from 2-4pm* ***************************************************************************** From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Sat Apr 19 16:42:49 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 16:42:49 -0400 Subject: HW: Updates/new ICU!!!/reply Message-ID: yes it is true there is a new Inner City Unit cd and it is NEW originals you can write to delta wave also but i don't have that address handy keep in mind that this is w/o Nik (which makes no difference to me) ICU rules - hail Atom Gods From talger at PIPELINE.COM Sat Apr 19 18:58:24 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 18:58:24 -0400 Subject: BOC: Re: BOC: Summerdaze Tracks Message-ID: Hey all.... John said... >Eric Bloom announced on AOL that the tracks to appear on the Summerdaze >album (although I think things are not fully negotiated yet) are live >versions of "The Reaper" and "Godzilla" (probably from 1992? - he mentioned >that John Miceli drummed on the tracks), plus a studio version of >"The Power Underneath Despair" (this track was also recorded previously - >Eric mentioned that Chuck Burgi was on the track). for anyone who's interested, when I spoke to Buck after the Atlanta show (yes, it was cool), while we were talking about our Macs, he mentioned that he was using his to edit/mix the Summer Daze tracks....and he said he had done a "almost Techno" version of "Power Underneath" which doesn't mean anything to me as I haven't heard the song before......but I imagine someone might have am idea....and they're either interested or cringing.... later Ted From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Apr 20 02:56:02 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 16:56:02 +1000 Subject: HW: Updates/new ICU!!!/reply Message-ID: Bob Lennon wrote: > > yes it is true > there is a new > Inner City Unit cd > and it is NEW originals > you can write to delta wave also > but i don't have that address handy > keep in mind that this is w/o Nik > (which makes no difference to me) > ICU rules - hail Atom Gods Ah - this is Trev Thoms' band? Without Mr Reeves and Pond, etc? <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Apr 20 06:12:39 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 11:12:39 +0100 Subject: HW:A Few Topics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Paul Mather writes >Well, Doug Smith's "open letter" (http://www.hawkwind.com/dougletter.htm) >is directed specifically at this release. Why would he do so if it was >legit? I don't understand. > >Cheers, > >Paul. As far as I know, when a label goes bust and sells it's assets/catalog to another label, the new holders of these rights are under no *direct* obligation to the band. Their contract is entirely with the prior label. I'm not sure if this the same when rights are licenced out to another label as is the case here but I would presume so. In this case Trojan Records appear to be the licence holders. I think it's fair to presume the licence was bought in good faith. If Trojan did not have the right to sell this licence, this will come out, as I gather DS is investigating and more power to him. If you have another look at the letter, at no point does it actually say this is a pirate or bootleg production. Before I go on, I want to say I fully agree with everything DS says in the letter. It misrepresents the band in a number of ways. Personally I think anything with "Douglas In the Jungle" on it misrepresents the band, but that's just me. The point is Emporio as far as I know (at this stage) cannot be sued, forced to withdraw the disc or even hand over any cash. (Not that there's going to be lot of cash involved in a record with a dealer price of around 1.50 UKP.) I think it stinks. But as you see from the letter, the only response it seems is a boycott. Incidentally, Emporio also put out "The Best Of Friends And Relations" licenced from Cherry Red, but this seems to have been overlooked. -- Jon Browne From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Apr 20 07:46:14 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 11:46:14 UT Subject: OFF: The New Christs Message-ID: Saw this lot at the Garage, London, last night. Wow! Hard, fast, loud, amazingly tight and no fucking about whatsoever. Real Detroit intensity - Rob Younger was definitely "doing the Pop"! And the band - two guitars, bass, drums - weren't showy, weren't flashy, just brilliant. This is what rock music is all about. Tim - you missed it! Theo - if they do make it back to the USA, you're in for a treat! Continentals - they're off to France now for several dates, including Toulouse on May 7th, then Italy and Germany (full list on http://www.sdv.fr/pages/dgieff/nchrists.htm) - see them if you can! - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sun Apr 20 12:41:10 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:41:10 -0400 Subject: HW:A Few Topics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > If you have another look at the > letter, at no point does it actually say this is a pirate or bootleg > production. Yes, I noticed that, which is why I didn't actually say the same thing myself. :-) There are several possible scenarios here. I think two are likely: 1) The band made a REALLY STUPID deal when they sold the Anthology/Acid Daze tracks wherein the company to whom they sold those tracks bought exclusive rights to them, including all publishing rights. This means, in effect, the company owns them, can hawk them [no pun intended] as much as they want, to whoever they want: the band loses any control over this material. This seems to me to be an unlikely scenario, because the band effectively lose control over their material. Perhaps it might happen early in a band's career, when they are non too savvy, but after several albums and years?? 2) The band sold (licensed) the tracks for a specific release (as is conventional). The company then, without the band's knowledge or permission, illegally sold the tracks on to other companies. This seems to be a more likely scenario, especially as I've read interviews with Dave Brock that cite the same course of events. If we take scenario 2 to be most likely, then it doesn't matter if Emphorio bought the tracks in good faith: they still have no rights under law to release them. If I unwittingly buy a stolen car, in good faith, I still don't legally own it, and its ownership still reverts back to its original owner. All I can say to Emphorio is "caveat emptor!" I am also suspicious that they are unwitting dupes. To claim these tracks are "rare" is bad enough. But, to depict Ron Tree, circa 1995, as is alleged, smacks of dissembly. (Eager Hawkwind fan, on seeing sleeve drools, "Rare tracks from a recent tour! Gimme, gimme!) Emphorio must have even a passing knowledge of Hawkwind, having released material by them previously, so there is a fair chance that the origin (date wise) of the tracks is known. But maybe they didn't, and were taken for a ride. > The point is Emporio as far > as I know (at this stage) cannot be sued, forced to withdraw the disc or > even hand over any cash. (Not that there's going to be lot of cash > involved in a record with a dealer price of around 1.50 UKP.) If they published this material illegally, then I disagree with you. But, the sad thing about illegal releases is that pragmatics, and not legalities, hold sway. These companies know that if they're found out, often it is too costly for a band to sue (unless they are mega-rich), and so they're not likely to. And meanwhile, the probability that a Hawkfan gets conned when they buy a Hawkwind release increases slightly but steadily... Cheers, Paul. obCD: King Crimson, _Larks' Tongues in Aspic_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Sun Apr 20 13:46:22 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 11:46:22 -0600 Subject: OFF: Eloy Message-ID: Hi all!! I'm looking for a couple of things here: The lyrics to Eloy's first album, and an English translation of the liner story in Planets! Anyone?? Thanks in advance!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace My wife and I are considering going to the BOC shows scheduled for Wheeling on May 17 and Ocean City on July 24. Does anyone know what clubs are hosting these shows so we can try to get tickets? Phone numbers would be nice too, but we can probably get those elsewhere. Thanks. daniel (yes, another...) From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sun Apr 20 13:27:13 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:27:13 -0400 Subject: HW:A Few Topics In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Apr 20, 97 12:41:10 pm Message-ID: Paul writes-- > > If you have another look at the > > letter, at no point does it actually say this is a pirate or bootleg > > production. > > Yes, I noticed that, which is why I didn't actually say the same thing > myself. :-) > > There are several possible scenarios here. I think two are likely: > > 1) The band made a REALLY STUPID deal when they sold the Anthology/Acid > Daze tracks wherein the company to whom they sold those tracks bought > exclusive rights to them, including all publishing rights. This means, in > effect, the company owns them, can hawk them [no pun intended] as much as > they want, to whoever they want: the band loses any control over this > material. This seems to me to be an unlikely scenario, because the band > effectively lose control over their material. Perhaps it might happen > early in a band's career, when they are non too savvy, but after several > albums and years?? I know next to nothing about all this, but since copyright in the music business normally resides with the record company, isn't this always a risk? How much control does a band or artist actually have over their work, when the copyright is not in their name? > 2) The band sold (licensed) the tracks for a specific release (as is > conventional). The company then, without the band's knowledge or > permission, illegally sold the tracks on to other companies. This seems > to be a more likely scenario, especially as I've read interviews with Dave > Brock that cite the same course of events. It seems likely to me too, given the tremendous proliferation of Hawkwind kompilations. Maybe they should increase the "real release:compilation" ratio. :-) > If they published this material illegally, then I disagree with you. > But, the sad thing about illegal releases is that pragmatics, and not > legalities, hold sway. These companies know that if they're found out, > often it is too costly for a band to sue (unless they are mega-rich), and > so they're not likely to. Wouldn't the suit be pressed by the company holding the copyright (assuming they care) rather than the band? > And meanwhile, the probability that a Hawkfan > gets conned when they buy a Hawkwind release increases slightly but > steadily... As if the legit ways of getting conned aren't bad enough. How many of us have paid good money for Text of Festival, and Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin? :-) > obCD: King Crimson, _Larks' Tongues in Aspic_ Giving it another listen Paul? :-D Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Sun Apr 20 18:03:52 1997 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:03:52 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: Buck Benefit / BOC fanatic checklist Message-ID: Re: the Buck Dharma Benefit: Bill wrote: > Speaking of the BD benefit, I met someone at the show who said he was on the > BOC-L. You were sitting on the second row, my brother and I were sitting > next to you (I was taking pictures). Unfortunately, I can't recall your name > (the number of people I met was overwhelming!). Are you out there?? I believe that was me (Bryan Irby). I was sitting in the second row with my girlfriend Carman and a friend from the Atlanta area, and I asked you guys if you were on BOC-L. I am out here, I just don't say much these days. I went to the after show party at Chuck's place, but spent most of the time talking with Bolle - didn't get to socialize much. Also (sadly), missed the Dixie Tavern event. By the way, many thanks to Chuck for organizing such a wonderful show and benefit. He did an outstanding job. Can't wait to see/hear the video and CD. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: BOC Fanatic checklist: Andrew wrote: ... > ( ) You need that tape version of "Career of Evil" that has "Do it like you > oughtta" > ( ) Need both initial and french releases of 'Flat Out' > ( ) You spent over $200 trying to get tape of Eric singing in Japanese. > > etc. Any others? How about buying a model of a Messerschmidt 262 and painting it up like the one on the cover of Secret Treaties (even down to giving the pilot a skull face)? And of course there's the shelling out of hard-earned dollars to get the Buck Dharma baseball card... - Bryan Irby From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sun Apr 20 23:39:19 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:39:19 -0700 Subject: HW:A Few Topics Message-ID: ---------- > From: . > > oh hell, yer right! both the version i mentioned {Iloki} and the cyclops > version have reefer madness, and the Iloki ver. has images. My Lloki doesn't. Charlie From dahl at AROS.NET Tue Apr 22 04:06:35 1997 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 02:06:35 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: Message-ID: >BTW- i did remove the (re:). did it > work? > > Brad It worked GREAT! (I left the Re: on my original post so everybody would get it) I still love you guys (and no, I don't want your Bud Light) Brad From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Apr 21 05:02:36 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 05:02:36 -0400 Subject: HW:A Few Topics Message-ID: > > oh hell, yer right! both the version i mentioned {Iloki} and the cyclops > > version have reefer madness, and the Iloki ver. has images. > > My Lloki doesn't. > > Charlie D'oh! i have got to quit posting before waking up fully! it's the cyclops version which has the images track. i had them both at hand while typing, and got them reversed anyway. sorry... rj From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 21 11:05:16 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:05:16 GMT+0100 Subject: HW:A Few Topics Message-ID: On m?n 21 apr 1997 05.02 "Ron Jennings" wrote: > D'oh! i have got to quit posting before waking up fully! it's the > cyclops version which has > the images track. The same "Images" has been shown to be on the _Neverending Story of the Psychedelic Warlords_ CD, I believe. Cheers, Carl From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Mon Apr 21 06:35:33 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:35:33 +1000 Subject: OFF: nomail Message-ID: Tim, Send the message to LISTSERV at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU and leave the subject line blank, and turn off your signature. In the body of the message type SET BOC-L NOMAIL When you what to start getting mail again, do the same except type SET BOC-L MAIL Pete. ObCD: Cold Water Flat self-titled At 09:39 PM 19/04/97 +0100, Timothy wrote: >Hi > >Could someone please tell me how I set the diceussion list to nomail. I've >tried to set it as ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Here's my time sheet, filled out in increments of fifteen minutes. As usual, I coded the useless hours spent in meetings as 'work', whereas the time I spent in the shower designing circuits in my mind is 'non-work'. Interestingly, even the time I spend complaining about my lack of productivity is considered 'work'." - Dilbert From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Mon Apr 21 06:39:01 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:39:01 +1000 Subject: BOC: Re: Buck Benefit / BOC fanatic checklist Message-ID: At 05:03 PM 20/04/97 -0500, you wrote: >And of course there's the shelling out of hard-earned dollars to get the >Buck Dharma baseball card... > >- Bryan Irby Pardon my ignorance, but what is the BD baseball card? Or am I falling into a trap by asking that question? Pete. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Here's my time sheet, filled out in increments of fifteen minutes. As usual, I coded the useless hours spent in meetings as 'work', whereas the time I spent in the shower designing circuits in my mind is 'non-work'. Interestingly, even the time I spend complaining about my lack of productivity is considered 'work'." - Dilbert From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Mon Apr 21 07:59:29 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:59:29 +1000 Subject: BOC: Helen Wheels Message-ID: I was flicking through a book in a shop yesterday called Search & Destroy and saw it had an interview with Helen Wheels. What I read in the short time I had was interesting. Does anyone know more about her career and her involvement with BOC? I only saw a passing mention of Soft White Underbelly and BOC in the opening para. The book was a compilation of six issues of a Punk mag of old. Pete. ObCD: Cold Water Flat self-titled (I haven't played much else lately) ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Here's my time sheet, filled out in increments of fifteen minutes. As usual, I coded the useless hours spent in meetings as 'work', whereas the time I spent in the shower designing circuits in my mind is 'non-work'. Interestingly, even the time I spend complaining about my lack of productivity is considered 'work'." - Dilbert From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Apr 21 09:46:58 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 07:46:58 -0600 Subject: Cult Classics/CE/ Guitar World Mag./Remastering Message-ID: And Now the News: The Summerdaze Tour is mentioned on the front of Guitar World Mag. Its a one page Article all the way at the end of the issue, with qoutes from most of the participants. Buck speaks for BOC. Intrestingly enough Buck feels he is a better player today than he was 15 years ago. Also says the band sounds great right now. Maybe Eric's back on track. Cult Classics - Personally I don't own this one. I collect but with reason. The only comp I own is WoTT. Sure its not perfect but it beats the pants off all the other comps. Definitely would not get Champions Of Rock. Shameful that they try to cash in on the original lineup with a record that dosen't even feature the two Bouchards. Thats a blatant rip-off. CE - This one is full of good crunchy songs. Personally I think Unkown Tongue is the best song on the album. But thats me. Remastering - Bolle may know something there. I would not put it past Sony to re-master at least the first three. It would make money. How many of us would not rush right out to get remastered versions of BOC, T&M and ST? I just hope they throw Feet/Knees in to the mix while they are at it. L8er lil' ab "Some people fly...and some of us worry. I'd risk it all to have wings. I know if I try I'll get where I'm going, keeping my eyes on the sky." obcd: Queensryche, Hear In the Now Frontier (Damn this is an awesome disc) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 21 10:54:58 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:54:58 -0400 Subject: Cult Classics/CE/ Guitar World Mag./Remastering Message-ID: >The Summerdaze Tour is mentioned on the front of Guitar World Mag. ...rushing out to the bookstore at lunch . . . >Intrestingly enough Buck feels he is a better player today than he was 15 years ago. Not really surprised -- 15 years on the road can do wonders for one's ability (not that Buck was too bad 15 years ago . . .) - even the master continues to perfect his craft. >Also says the band sounds great right now. Maybe Eric's back on track. Hope so, but I wouldn't read too much into that. There have been lots of positive reviews of the band's sound since Eric has dropped back. I'm sure Buck is probably enjoying having a bit more of the spotlight these days, and instrumentally the band probably sounds great, but Eric hasn't started singing more again, from what I've seen. Then again, Summerdaze will have probably shorter-than-standard BOC sets so perhaps Eric will have an extra song or 2 there. >Definitely would not get Champions Of Rock. Shameful that they try to cash in on the original lineup with a record that dosen't even feature the two Bouchards. Thats a blatant rip-off. This CD is quite a puzzle to me - I don't know if it's a blatant rip-off, outright stupidity, or a combination of both. It seems outrageous to have Joe and Al on the cover, and to me makes no sense -- will it really sell better? Do the present members of the band want their product to have pictures of guys no longer in the band? And how much do they even know about some of these things that go on before they happen? I mean, the rights to BOC's music are not owned by the band, so I don't know if they even had a say in the matter. (BTW - another blatant ripoff - the "Cult Classic" songbook has photos of the band from the 70s - again, Joe and Al didn't play a note on CC). Furthermore, the cover photo on Champions of Rock isn't even very good - looks like an old faded photograph, and Joe Bouchard is barely recognizable. Makes me think the whole thing was more a case of something slapped together with little regard for quality (I'm talking about the packaging, not the music on the CD - of course, some have made the same argument about the music, which is the material from Cult Classic). John From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon Apr 21 11:06:23 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 08:06:23 -0700 Subject: HW- Tubilah Dog (was) U Message-ID: > > FoFP > > "Turing Police. We're arresting you for posession of an illegal AI" Looks like you've been reading too much of William Gibson's _Neuromancer_ :) Can you read this too much? I say no way. ObCD: Camel- Rain Dances From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 21 10:29:45 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:29:45 +0100 Subject: HW:A Few Topics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Carl Edlund Anderson writes > The same "Images" has been shown to be on the _Neverending Story of the >Psychedelic Warlords_ CD, I believe. You sure about this? Not having my discs in front of me, I thought that the NESotPW was a compilation of the UA period so wouldn't have Images. I could be confusing this with that book and CD combination stashed away in my cupboard which I can`t remember the name of though. -- Mark Edmonds From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon Apr 21 11:24:31 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 08:24:31 -0700 Subject: OFF Craig Shipley Message-ID: Sorry all, my mailer is going nuts. Craig, Yes a tape of the LP Guitars and woman would be excellent. dane From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Apr 21 11:37:45 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:37:45 -0400 Subject: HW:A Few Topics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Mark Edmonds wrote: > In article , Carl Edlund Anderson > writes > > The same "Images" has been shown to be on the _Neverending Story of the > >Psychedelic Warlords_ CD, I believe. > > You sure about this? Not having my discs in front of me, I thought that > the NESotPW was a compilation of the UA period so wouldn't have Images. > I could be confusing this with that book and CD combination stashed away > in my cupboard which I can`t remember the name of though. Yes, you are confusing this with that book and CD combination stashed away in your cupboard (named _Neverending Story of the Psychedelic Warlords_). :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Nektar, _Sunday Night At London Roundhouse_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 21 05:06:08 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:06:08 +0100 Subject: HW:A Few Topics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Paul Mather writes >On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > >> If you have another look at the >> letter, at no point does it actually say this is a pirate or bootleg >> production. > >Yes, I noticed that, which is why I didn't actually say the same thing >myself. :-) > >There are several possible scenarios here. I think two are likely: > > >If we take scenario 2 to be most likely, then it doesn't matter if >Emphorio bought the tracks in good faith: they still have no rights under >law to release them. If I unwittingly buy a stolen car, in good faith, I >still don't legally own it, and its ownership still reverts back to its >original owner. All I can say to Emphorio is "caveat emptor!" If you unwittingly buy a stolen car, you lose the car, but you haven't broken the law. Both sound equally plausible to me. But one way or the other, I can understand DS's ire at this same batch of stuff turning up again and again undermining the artistic credibility of the band over the years. > >I am also suspicious that they are unwitting dupes. To claim these tracks >are "rare" is bad enough. But, to depict Ron Tree, circa 1995, as is >alleged, smacks of dissembly. Agreed but..... > (Eager Hawkwind fan, on seeing sleeve >drools, "Rare tracks from a recent tour! Gimme, gimme!) Few fans are going to get suckered by this. Only people who've never bought anything before and want to check the band out by only spending a coupla bucks. That's actually what pisses me off about this, the fact that new listeners get the wrong impression of the band and don't go on to buy the next 78 albums. > Emphorio must >have even a passing knowledge of Hawkwind, having released material by >them previously, so there is a fair chance that the origin (date wise) of >the tracks is known. But maybe they didn't, and were taken for a ride. It probably wasn't that calculated but I wonder where or who supplied the stills for the artwork. it's possible that *they* are unlicenced and the co. could be nailed on that. I don't think the label would have worried overly about the age of the material. It's not the aspect which troubles me. I don't think the band would repudiate early material otherwise why the remasters? No, problem is a) the quality/artistic control and b) the money. > >> The point is Emporio as far >> as I know (at this stage) cannot be sued, forced to withdraw the disc or >> even hand over any cash. (Not that there's going to be lot of cash >> involved in a record with a dealer price of around 1.50 UKP.) > >If they published this material illegally, then I disagree with you. >But, the sad thing about illegal releases is that pragmatics, and not >legalities, hold sway. These companies know that if they're found out, >often it is too costly for a band to sue (unless they are mega-rich), and >so they're not likely to. And meanwhile, the probability that a Hawkfan >gets conned when they buy a Hawkwind release increases slightly but >steadily... Actually, I think you're right here. Upon reflection the fact that the thing made the company 4 1/2 quid wouldn't prevent punative damages of thousands+ as was the case with Griffin recently with that Bowie disc. I doubt v. much if they netted a coupla million but I gather that's what had to be stumped up. As for Emporio being too big to get sued, no, I think they could be brought to book *if* they've broken the law, which I still don't think they have. best -- Jon Browne ObCD Supergrass - In It For The Money. (Now where have I heard *that* title before? FZ perchance?) From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon Apr 21 11:53:08 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 08:53:08 -0700 Subject: HW West Coast USA news Message-ID: Greetings all. SF and LA don't despair, even now, secret negotations are underway to bring HW to these cities. It's gonna be cool. Dane ObCD: Ash Ra - Private Tapes #6 From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Apr 21 12:20:19 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:20:19 -0400 Subject: HW West Coast USA news Message-ID: >Greetings all. >SF and LA don't despair, even now, secret negotations are underway to bring HW to these cities. It's gonna be cool. Damn, I thought you meant west coast of Florida.... In despair, Andrew... From PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK Mon Apr 21 13:57:04 1997 From: PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK (THE CIDER KING) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:57:04 GMT Subject: BOC: Re: Buck Benefit / BOC fanatic checklist Message-ID: About the ME262 model, well I bought an ME262 specifically for that purpose! Cheers, Martin "And when the party's over, It's all over" - Blue Oyster Cult From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Mon Apr 21 13:07:20 1997 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:07:20 -0500 Subject: The BOC-L filters Message-ID: The filters do not work for me, I delete messages with both "BOC" and "RE:BOC" in the subject header almost daily. obCD:Nocturne, Siouxie and the Banshees Doug Bates Systems Analyst University of Alabama in Birmingham voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu > > Now if people would just remove the Re: when they reply so the > filters > > would work. > > As far as I recall, the filters ignore "Re:" when determining the > filter > keyword. Perhaps Ben would know the definitive answer? > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 21 13:17:23 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:17:23 EDT Subject: Cult Classics/CE/ Guitar World Mag./Remastering Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > >The Summerdaze Tour is mentioned on the front of Guitar World Mag. > > ...rushing out to the bookstore at lunch . . . > Damn, mine hasn't gotten here yet. I'm a subscriber, so naturally, I get mine after it's been on the newsstands for a month! > >Intrestingly enough > Buck feels he is a better player today than he was 15 years ago. > > Not really surprised -- 15 years on the road can do wonders for one's > ability (not that Buck was too bad 15 years ago . . .) - even the > master continues to perfect his craft. > I'm not surprised either. After not seeing the band for a few years, I was blown away last Dec. and Jan. when I finally saw them again. I didn't think it was possible for him to get better, but somehow he has. Also, remember that BOC doesn't have the luxury of superstar atatus to fall back on anymore. BD HAS to be ungodly just to survive these days. And he's doin' the job all right... > >Also > says the band sounds great right now. Maybe Eric's back on track. > > Hope so, but I wouldn't read too much into that. There have been lots > of positive reviews of the band's sound since Eric has dropped back. > I'm sure Buck is probably enjoying having a bit more of the spotlight > these days, and instrumentally the band probably sounds great, but Eric > hasn't started singing more again, from what I've seen. Then again, > Summerdaze will have probably shorter-than-standard BOC sets so perhaps > Eric will have an extra song or 2 there. > Anybody else notice that the BD band show in GA was such a success? Handwriting on the wall maybe? It sounds like heresy, but EB just isn't bringing that much to the show anymore. Before you flame, I'm telling you that the guy is one of my gods, but the facts don't lie. I can't say he's kicking ass likt the old days when he isn't! And if BD went solo, what of Allen? if he tags along, is it still BOC? I always figured that to be BOC, it had to be EB and BD. And is there any matter to it? Would BD do worse on the road as a solo? He's hardly killing the world in 3OC! Maybe time to cut is losses and go for it alone. Then he wouldn't have the quandry over heavy BOC-type material vs. BD material. Thoughts? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 21 13:19:43 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:19:43 EDT Subject: Cult Classics/CE/ Guitar World Mag./Remastering Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > Cult Classics - Personally I don't own this one. I collect but with > reason. The only comp I own is WoTT. Sure its not perfect but it beats > the pants off all the other comps. Definitely would not get Champions > Of Rock. Shameful that they try to cash in on the original lineup with > a record that dosen't even feature the two Bouchards. Thats a blatant > rip-off. > AB, it's worth getting just for a hellacious version of Buck's Boogie! > CE - This one is full of good crunchy songs. Personally I think Unkown > Tongue is the best song on the album. But thats me. > Lips is the song from that record... > Remastering - Bolle may know something there. I would not put it past > Sony to re-master at least the first three. It would make money. How > many of us would not rush right out to get remastered versions of BOC, > T&M and ST? I just hope they throw Feet/Knees in to the mix while they > are at it. > > I know I'd buy any remastered stuff they care to put out. Not sure how many more like me out there, though... theo From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Apr 21 13:39:24 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:39:24 -0500 Subject: HW West Coast USA news In-Reply-To: <199704211620.MAA19299@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >Greetings all. > >SF and LA don't despair, even now, secret negotations are underway to bring > HW to these cities. It's gonna be cool. > > Damn, I thought you meant west coast of Florida.... > In despair, Andrew... If only there were a west coast of Texas... Damon From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Apr 21 13:43:57 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:43:57 -0500 Subject: HW: Updates/new ICU!!! In-Reply-To: <970419124652_-300657227@emout18.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, Bob Lennon wrote: > As you all know the new Inner City Unit CD: > "Now You KNow The Score" > is out (sans Nik) > it is released on Judgement records and will > be available from Delta Wave within the next > week or two > give Mike a call at delta 214-991-6621 ... Be careful... last fall we had our area code split in two. Mike Coleman's number is now <972-991-6621>. (214 -might- still work, but better safe than sorry.) Damon From ianfines at JUNO.COM Mon Apr 21 14:54:10 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:54:10 EDT Subject: HW:A Few Topics Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:48:11 -0400 Ron Jennings writes: >> > (3) In case you didn't know, the cd release of "California >Brainstorm" >is >> > only an edited version of the concert; I was there and have >cassette >tapes >> >> yes, there's no Bridget Wishart on it! >> > >depends on which version ya have.... >the Iloki version has her singing reefer madness... don't know if >its >from that venue or not, tho. >rj > also has her singing "Back In the Box", right? From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Apr 21 15:13:39 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:13:39 -0400 Subject: The BOC-L filters Message-ID: >The filters do not work for me, I delete messages with both "BOC" and >"RE:BOC" in the subject header almost daily. Deleting "Re:boc".... wonder how many messages about running shoes have been lost this way... +----------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff of the Amtgard Barony of Silverwater| (Kingdom of the Burning Lands), aka | Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +---------------------------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 21 15:23:52 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:23:52 -0400 Subject: Cult Classics/CE/ Guitar World Mag./Remastering Message-ID: > ...rushing out to the bookstore at lunch . . . Came back without it - Adrian mentioned all that was noteworthy in the article. There is a picture of BOC - about the size of a postage stamp, though. >Anybody else notice that the BD band show in GA was such a success? Yes - but again don't read too much into this. Is Buck as viable or more viable without BOC? Debatable - certainly BOC is probably safer. As for name recognition, if so many folks are going "Blue Oyster WHO?", guess how many are gonna say, "Buck WHO?" (to which we can respond, "Buck YOU!" - sorry, couldn't resist). >It sounds like heresy, but EB just isn't bringing that much to the show anymore. Before you flame, I'm telling you that the guy is one of my gods, but the facts don't lie. I can't say he's kicking ass likt the old days when he isn't! Nope, but hardly grounds for having him leave if the band would rather keep him. Besides, things could change - his voice may improve. And if everyone's o.k. with Bloom playing some keys and stun guitar, then no reason for him to leave. Granted, it ain't the same - but the band hasn't been "the same" since 1981... >And if BD went solo, what of Allen? if he tags along, is it still BOC? I always figured that to be BOC, it had to be EB and BD. Well, EB and BD have been in BOC since it was BOC and neither have ever really left (except when the band sort of went on hiatus in '87) - but if BD and Allen wanted to continue the circuit doing BOC tunes, then it's as much BOC as it has been since Al and Joe left. >Maybe time to cut is losses and go for it alone. I believe Albert (hope I'm not putting words in his mouth) said something to this effect a year or so ago (might've been somewhere other than BOC-L) - that Buck should find himself a few hot new musicians and dump the BOC thing. Was the Georgia benefit his way of "testing the water"? I don't know - of course most of the attendees were BOC fans (but you gotta start somewhere). I wonder if "The Red and The Black" (the band, not the song) was a similar attempt that may have (at least for awhile) put any further Buck solo aspirations on hold. Then again, the Grateful Dead's members all use to do solo tours and the like without the band itself breaking up. It may be inevitable to draw some comparisons from the discussion of whether Buck is or should contemplate such matters with Albert's forming the Brain Surgeons - but remember (as Albert pointed out): Albert has been out of BOC since 1981 (Imaginos and his 2-week hired hand stint in 1985 not withstanding), so he is MUCH more detached from the world of BOC (many fans who show up at tBS gigs don't know of Albert's storied past, and many of these are folks who ask, "Blue Oyster WHO?"), so it would be a different situation for Buck should he decide to do this. DISCLAIMER: I am only trying to add my thoughts to some of Theo's speculations. I am not suggesting that BOC should breakup, that EB should bow out, that Buck should go solo, or that the original lineup should reform. Times change, people move on, and we fans can accept or deny what happens, and choose to listen to what we want. Whether my next BOC-related CD purchase is "Ezekiel's Wheel", "Flat Out II", "Manny's Discount Stun-Guitars", or "The Brain Surgeons: From the Operating Room to the Stage - Live", or "The Cult Brothers Anthology", (hmm...need a title for Allen -- how 'bout "These Things Cause CANCER?!?"), I will enjoy the music they contain for what it is - good music made by some of my favorite musicians. John From BrizoCult at AOL.COM Mon Apr 21 15:34:06 1997 From: BrizoCult at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:34:06 -0400 Subject: Cult Classics/CE/ Guitar World Mag./Remastering Message-ID: Well as much as I love the Buck solo stuff, and dig the work Buck has done with/for BOC....and his fine songwriting. I wouldn't trade a solo Buck over a BOC. But wonder if there might not be room for both? Man that guy works his a** off as it is, that might be too much to expect. I noticed too that Buck was carrying a great deal of the BOC show.....I'd rather not see that continue, I think it must be tremendously difficult to be lead guitar and lead vocalist given their grueling tour schedules. I am not into gossiping about the reason for the set arrangments, but will say, do hope there can be a bit more balance in the future. Good health to you, Teri From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 21 23:06:32 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:06:32 GMT+0100 Subject: BOC: Re: Buck Benefit / BOC fanatic checklist Message-ID: On m?n 21 apr 1997 17.57 "THE CIDER KING" wrote: > About the ME262 model, well I bought an ME262 specifically for that > purpose! Are there any salient differences between "BOC's ME262" and the various standard ME262 models? Perhaps this has been discussed before ... it might make a good addition to the FAQ if there's anything to note. (If such isn't already there :) Cheers, Carl From PsychoGuy at AOL.COM Mon Apr 21 18:41:07 1997 From: PsychoGuy at AOL.COM (Bill Futreal) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:41:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: Re: Buck Benefit / BOC fanatic checklist Message-ID: Bryan - Yeah, that must have been you. I, too, sadly missed Sat. night. Bill From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Apr 21 18:50:16 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:50:16 -0400 Subject: HW:A Few Topics Message-ID: > > The same "Images" has been shown to be on the _Neverending Story of the > >Psychedelic Warlords_ CD, I believe. > > You sure about this? Not having my discs in front of me, I thought that > the NESotPW was a compilation of the UA period so wouldn't have Images. > I could be confusing this with that book and CD combination stashed away > in my cupboard which I can`t remember the name of though. NESoPW is from the italian booklet of the same name. its a 1990 show. you are thinking of the cleopatra release "psychedelic warlords." i cant verify this being the same version, cos i dont wanna listen to it now. rj From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Apr 21 18:18:40 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 08:18:40 +1000 Subject: OFF: Eloy In-Reply-To: <335A566E.650F@micron.net> Message-ID: On 20 Apr 97 at 11:46, Cliff and Pam Wheaton wrote: > Hi all!! > I'm looking for a couple of things here: The lyrics to Eloy's first > album, and an English translation of the liner story in Planets! > Anyone?? > Thanks in advance!! > Pam I'm fairly sure that lyrics were recentlyh added to the Eloy www page. I haven't got the URL: hadny, but if you check my 'links' page from the URL below, you should find it there. Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Apr 21 19:11:35 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:11:35 -0400 Subject: HW:A Few Topics re: Message-ID: > If you unwittingly buy a stolen car, you lose the car, but you haven't > broken the law. maybe in your country,but since its impossible to "unwittingly" buy a stolen car in the US, one can expect to do some time. (titles, notaries,id, etc.) recieving stolen property is a felony, i believe, and "i dint know" will not save you. > Few fans are going to get suckered by this. Only people who've never > bought anything before and want to check the band out by only spending a > coupla bucks. i disagree. the band is currently digging up and restoring the carcasses of long thought dead tunes, and someone who is not a rabid collector or tour hound would not know. they would never convince me that it wasn't a deliberate sleaze. if i hadn't heard the warning, and saw this on the shelves in a cd store, i probably wouldn't have thought about it long. IF i noticed the track list, i would have wondered why i hadn't heard about them playing these sets, but wouldn't have worried much about it till i got home, played it, and ate it. >That's actually what pisses me off about this, the fact > that new listeners get the wrong impression of the band and don't go on > to buy the next 78 albums. i agree whole-heartedly. and if you ask me, thats what should concern the band and mngmnt more than money issues. > >> The point is Emporio as far > >> as I know (at this stage) cannot be sued, forced to withdraw the disc or > >> even hand over any cash. (Not that there's going to be lot of cash > >> involved in a record with a dealer price of around 1.50 UKP.) probably not, but they most likely can and SHOULD be forced to change the packaging to say that its all previously released material, the dates, and get the alien's (ron's) image off of it. > Actually, I think you're right here. Upon reflection the fact that the > thing made the company 4 1/2 quid wouldn't prevent punative damages of > thousands+ as was the case with Griffin recently with that Bowie disc. I > doubt v. much if they netted a coupla million but I gather that's what > had to be stumped up. As for Emporio being too big to get sued, no, I > think they could be brought to book *if* they've broken the law, which I > still don't think they have. you may be right. they probably got a small town's population worth of lawyers in-house, so as to avoid that. i dont know nearly enuff about the law to even guess. besides, whose laws apply? this is international isn't it? britain's law, us law, or interpol??? my peeve is mainly this: you shouldn't have to issue a disclaimer when turning a friend on to yer favorite band! rj From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Apr 21 22:41:24 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:41:24 +1000 Subject: OFF: nomail In-Reply-To: <199704211035.UAA27750@pigeon.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: On 21 Apr 97 at 20:35, Peter Sondergeld wrote: > Tim, > Send the message to LISTSERV at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU and leave the subject line > blank, and turn off your signature. In the body of the message type SET > BOC-L NOMAIL When you what to start getting mail again, do the same except > type SET BOC-L MAIL Pete. Incidentally, if you have an *correct* signature (ie - starting with a line containing just two dashes "--"), then you don't need to turn it off, as ListServ will detect the start of the signature as the end of commands You can also add a line containing the single word QUIT Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Apr 22 05:14:01 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 03:14:01 -0600 Subject: OFF: Eloy Message-ID: Sonique wrote: > > I'm fairly sure that lyrics were recentlyh added to the Eloy www page. I > haven't got the URL: hadny, but if you check my 'links' page from the URL > below, you should find it there. > > Sonique Paul- I just looked-all but the first album is there;( The story isn't either! I looked first-then asked:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Mark Edmonds writes: > In article <9704181449.aa16269 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes > writes > >I think the Holy Grail is the LP with Hawkwind on one side and Jefferson > >Airplane on the other. Mike W knows the only person I've ever heard of > >that's seen this one. > > Good golly, I vaguely remember reading about this. Please can you add > some more details? It's a US forces album which featured 4 HotMG tracks on one side and some Airplane tracks on the other side. > Mark Edmonds FoFP From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Apr 22 06:11:47 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:11:47 +1000 Subject: OFF: Eloy In-Reply-To: <335C8159.7A46@micron.net> Message-ID: On 22 Apr 97 at 3:14, Cliff and Pam Wheaton wrote: > Sonique wrote: > > > I'm fairly sure that lyrics were recentlyh added to the Eloy www page. I > > haven't got the URL: hadny, but if you check my 'links' page from the URL > > below, you should find it there. > > > > Sonique > Paul- > I just looked-all but the first album is there;( The story isn't either! I > looked first-then asked:) Pam Fair enough .... maybe you should join the (very low volume coz it's only a week old) Eloy mailing list and ask there? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Apr 21 19:20:50 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:20:50 -0400 Subject: HW:A Few Topics re: Message-ID: > >depends on which version ya have.... > >the Iloki version has her singing reefer madness... don't know if > >its > >from that venue or not, tho. > >rj > > > also has her singing "Back In the Box", right? not sure, but if memory serves (which it seldom seems to do anymore), she got lost or something during this track. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Apr 21 19:19:15 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:19:15 -0400 Subject: OFF: running shoes....Re: The BOC-L filters Message-ID: >>The filters do not work for me, I delete messages with both "BOC" and >>"RE:BOC" in the subject header almost daily. >Deleting "Re:boc".... wonder how many messages about running >shoes have been lost this way... took me a minute..... =) rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Apr 22 07:20:44 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 07:20:44 -0400 Subject: HW: cd's for sale... Message-ID: hi all, forwarding this list for a friend. i recently bought the hawkwind picture log book from him in mint condition, and was very pleased with the deal. e-mail to: phil at toms.net rj HAWKSALE PT 1 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (This partial list was revised on April 22, 1997) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Note the new lower prices than previous posting!* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lord of Light US Cleo. $5 US w/bonus track by Nik Turner Gimmie Shelter CD ep 'Rock' Hawkwind w/Samantha Fox >>offers? Undisclosed Files-Addendum US Griffin $7 The Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations (Original Fliknife issue!)(1988) $15 UK The Chronicle of the Black Sword >CD (Original UK issue on Fliknife) w Bonus tracks 'Arioch', 'Assault & Battery' LIVE & 'Sleep of 1000 Tears'LIVE $10 Warrior on the Edge of Time/Remastered >CD w/Book $29 The Business Trip LIVE UK issue in Digi-Pak $14 NIK TURNER 'Space Ritual 1994 Live' 2 CD's (Scratch on Disc 2 tho' Gauranteed to play $11 US NIK TURNER 'Sphynx' (1993) >CD $6 US Nik Turner & the Travellers of Space Promo CD $8 US ICU 'New Anatomy' CD MINT! Hard to Find! $25 TWINK 'Mr Rainbow' >CD (1990) $4 TWK CD1 PINKWIND 'Festival of the Sun' MINT! Limited to 1000 $25 TWK CD2 HIGH TIDE >CD (Unofficial?) (W. German) w/4 bonus tracks from 'Sea Shanties' $ From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 22 13:25:20 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:25:20 BST Subject: HW: cd's for sale... In-Reply-To: Ron Jennings's message of Tue, 22 Apr 1997 07:20:44 -0400 Message-ID: Ron Jennings writes: > hi all, forwarding this list for a friend. > i recently bought the hawkwind picture log book from him in mint condition, > and was very pleased with the deal. > > e-mail to: phil at toms.net > > rj > > > > HAWKSALE PT 1 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > (This partial list was revised on April 22, 1997) > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > The Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations (Original Fliknife issue!)(1988) > $15 UK ohmigawd 8-) thanks! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 22 08:37:09 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:37:09 +0100 Subject: BOC: Me.262s (Was - Re: Buck Benefit / BOC fanatic checklist) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On m?n 21 apr 1997 17.57 "THE CIDER KING" wrote: > > About the ME262 model, well I bought an ME262 specifically for that > > purpose! > > Are there any salient differences between "BOC's ME262" and the various > standard ME262 models? Perhaps this has been discussed before ... it might > make a good addition to the FAQ if there's anything to note. (If such > isn't already there :) That sounds like a good cue for me to announce my return... I think last time this came up Theo and I satisfied ourselves (while other fell asleep round us) that the machine flown by Captain von Ondine was clearly a top-secret conversion that never made it onto the Luftwaffe records - this of course being _much_ more likely than the other possibility, that BOC didn't give a damn about niggling pedantic accuracy... So, it's unusual in that: (a) it carries rockets in the nosecone (24 R4M 55mm, as tested on one or two, but not used in this form because of the problems the flash gave the pilot - fired from underwing they were lethal), in place of the normal guns, but (b) it clearly still carries guns (in underwing packs?) because Eric clearly refers to `gray-silver slugs'; this is also odd, because normal 262s carried cannon, which of course fire shells not slugs, so the 262 Ondine would seem to be the only one ever to carry machine-guns, and of course (c) it's got a socking great blue `harpe' drawn on it and is flown by Death. I think that covers everything... Jazza _____________________________________________________________________________ Jon Jarrett Pembroke College Cambridge "If he really thinks we're the (01223 327450) devil, Then let's send them to jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk Hell!" (B.O.C., `Divine Wind') ======================================================================== From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 22 13:39:29 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:39:29 BST Subject: The BOC-L filters In-Reply-To: Doug Bates's message of Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:07:20 -0500 Message-ID: Doug Bates writes: > The filters do not work for me, I delete messages with both "BOC" and > "RE:BOC" in the subject header almost daily. to the best of my memory the headers HW: BOC: et al. work only if there is a space between the colon and the heading. So HW: tour going ahead would be filtered out for BOC folk but HW:tour going ahead would not. The HW: bit and the BOC: bit also have to be in capitals. Small letters don't work. I also understood that the Re: would be ignored assuming it was added automatically by the headers as part of the reply so that Re: HW: tour abandoned should also be filtered out - but I could be misremembering there jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 22 14:04:13 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:04:13 GMT+0100 Subject: BOC: Me.262s (Was - Re: Buck Benefit / BOC fanatic checklist) Message-ID: On tis 22 apr 1997 13.37 "Jon Jarrett" wrote: > So, it's unusual in that: (a) it carries rockets in the nosecone > (24 R4M 55mm, as tested on one or two, but not used in this form because > of the problems the flash gave the pilot - fired from underwing they > were lethal), in place of the normal guns, but (b) it clearly still > carries guns (in underwing packs?) because Eric clearly refers to > `gray-silver slugs'; this is also odd, because normal 262s carried > cannon, which of course fire shells not slugs, so the 262 Ondine would > seem to be the only one ever to carry machine-guns, and of course (c) > it's got a socking great blue `harpe' drawn on it and is flown by > Death. I think that covers everything... Are we accepting the slugs as something more than poetic license? Can we justify the concealment of underwing gun-pods on the machine on the cover of _Secret Treaties_? Other than that and we ought to be able to do conversions by reworking the nose cones and poping a skeleton in the cockpit :) Cheers, Carl From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Apr 22 09:24:38 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 06:24:38 PDT Subject: BOC: Re: Ze BOC Me-Two-Shix-Two Modellwerken In-Reply-To: ; from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Apr 21, 97 11:06 pm Message-ID: > > On m=E5n 21 apr 1997 17.57 "THE CIDER KING" wrote: > > About the ME262 model, well I bought an ME262 specifically for that > > purpose! > > Are there any salient differences between "BOC's ME262" and the vario= > us > standard ME262 models? Perhaps this has been discussed before ... it mig= > ht > make a good addition to the FAQ if there's anything to note. (If such > isn't already there :) > > Cheers, > Carl > ACHTUNG! Zere ist ein Grosser difference between zer Standart Luftwaffe Sturmvogel und der BOC variant! Zer BOC A Model hast installed in der Instrument Panel ein Blaupunkt Berlin-modell 8-track player vere der Standart Luftwaffe hast nein (das ist, none, for all of you verdammnt Englischer und Americans, not "9"!) Zer B Modell hast ein CassetteDeck und der final Modell, der "C" has ein CDPlayer mit External Amp (Schlung unter der fuselage in modified DropTank!) Der C also hast der Imiron Paintfinish (DunkelGrau MetallFlaken on der Top, LichtGrau MetallFlaken on der Bottom), combo BBS/Goodrich TA-60 Rad und Tyre Landing Gear, oversized BeerStein holders und AirConditioning to keep der SkullFace from decaying in der Heat! Das ist alles! ;-) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 22 07:41:33 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:41:33 +0100 Subject: HW:A Few Topics re: In-Reply-To: <19970421231319340.AAA147@hawk2> Message-ID: In message <19970421231319340.AAA147 at hawk2>, Ron Jennings writes >> If you unwittingly buy a stolen car, you lose the car, but you haven't >> broken the law. > >maybe in your country,but since its impossible to "unwittingly" buy a >stolen car in the US, >one can expect to do some time. (titles, notaries,id, etc.) >recieving stolen property is a felony, i believe, and "i dint know" will >not save you. mmm, naturally "recieving" is a crime here too, but I saw this documentary on car theft recently and the poor woman who was pulled over and had her newly-bought car impounded received nothing but sympathy from the cops. She was quite clearly the victim in this case, losing thousands. Still, getting a bit far from the subject.... > >> Few fans are going to get suckered by this. Only people who've never >> bought anything before and want to check the band out by only spending a >> coupla bucks. > >i disagree. the band is currently digging up and restoring the carcasses of >long thought dead tunes, and someone who is not a rabid collector or tour >hound would not know. they would never convince me that it wasn't a >deliberate sleaze. if i hadn't heard the warning, and saw this >on the shelves in a cd store, i probably wouldn't have thought about it >long. IF i noticed the track >list, i would have wondered why i hadn't heard about them playing these >sets, but wouldn't have worried much about it till i got home, played it, >and ate it. I would suspect anything with Douglas In The Jungle on it and I'm not being flippant. And Hash Cake '77. I take your point, but really would *you*, specifically *you* be taken in by this? I bet you'd take one look at it and know *exactly* what these tracks were. > >>That's actually what pisses me off about this, the fact >> that new listeners get the wrong impression of the band and don't go on >> to buy the next 78 albums. > >i agree whole-heartedly. and if you ask me, thats what should concern the >band and mngmnt >more than money issues. I'd like to think it is. >probably not, but they most likely can and SHOULD be forced to change the >packaging >to say that its all previously released material, the dates, and get the >alien's (ron's) >image off of it. Absolutely. > > >you may be right. they probably got a small town's population worth of >lawyers in-house, >so as to avoid that. i dont know nearly enuff about the law to even guess. >besides, whose laws >apply? this is international isn't it? britain's law, us law, or >interpol??? As far as I know, It's a UK release that's available over there as an import. That's another reason I don't think any laws been broken, it's in every damn record shop in England! If it is or was an illegal product, UK law would apply. Having said that. aren't copyright laws applicable internationally under the Berne convention? > >my peeve is mainly this: you shouldn't have to issue a disclaimer when >turning a friend on to yer favorite band! Quite. >rj -- Jon Browne ObCD - Still this new Supergrass album - it's brilliant! From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Apr 22 09:50:35 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:50:35 UT Subject: The BOC-L filters Message-ID: >to the best of my memory the headers HW: BOC: et al. work only if >there is a space between the colon and the heading. And I think there has to be a colon - which is probably what's causing this cock-up! E.g., "BOC album delayed" won't be filtered, but "BOC: album delayed yet again" will be. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Apr 22 10:13:56 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 08:13:56 -0600 Subject: BOC Buck, Capt Solo? Message-ID: >>Definitely would not get Champions Of Rock. > >JS>"This CD is quite a puzzle to me - I don't know if it's a blatant rip-off, outright stupidity, or a combination of both. " There are other Champions of Rock Compilations for various groups I imagine someone just purchased a license to the recording and changed the packaging. I'm trying to recall one of the others I saw but it >looked just like the BOC one, cheezy picture of the band in question. > Theo>"Anybody else notice that the BD band show in GA was such a >success? Handwriting on the wall maybe? {snips} Maybe time to cut is losses and go for it alone. Then he wouldn't have the quandry over heavy BOC-type material vs. BD material. Thoughts?" Originally I thought this would be a great idea for Buck, to go it alone, to play his music. I think an example exists for what he faces should he decide to do so. Rik Emmett, fomerly of Triumph. Like Buck a master with the axe; a guy who could write, sing and play. Triumph never got huge like Rush but they had a pretty faithful following. Like Buck and BOC, Rik could write songs that fit the whole group or his personality. Not hard to tell a Rik song from the the rest of the album. Rik has been solo for a few years and even has three or four solo albums out. Some of the songs have the distinctive Triumph sound to them others are all his. Thus far Rik has Headed For Nowhere (to borrow from a Triumph song). He's done some gigs and been a part of some of the geezer fests but he certainly has not gotten any bigger than Triumph ever was. Buck has as much talent as Rik and still has the skills to play. He, like Rik though, may have waited too long to do this. Most Rik fans are Triumph fans and I cannot imagine it being much different for Buck. You certainly don't want a career where you're known as the "former lead guitarist of BOC." Maybe early on after Specters had Buck gone his own way then he might have had a better chance. Rik certainly waited too long with Triumph. Maybe they could play together ala Tommy Shaw and Ted Nugent with Damn Yankees. Combined, the fan base would be bigger than each alone. > >JS>"Then again, the Grateful Dead's members all use to do solo tours and the like without the band itself breaking up." That would be pretty demanding on Buck unless the rest of the band decided to take a break. He could be playing four to five nights a >week. > >JD"It may be inevitable to draw some comparisons from the discussion of >whether Buck is or should contemplate such matters with Albert's forming the Brain Surgeons - but remember (as Albert pointed out):" All valid points. Bet when tBS first started playing clubs advertised it as Al Bouchard, (fomer member of BOC) & the Brain Surgeons. After a while maybe Al Bouchard and the Brain Surgeons. Now simply tBS. Might be the hardest part about going solo, cutting the ties to your former >bands name. >Teri>"Well as much as I love the Buck solo stuff, and dig the work Buck has >done with/for BOC....and his fine songwriting. I wouldn't trade a solo Buck over a BOC. " More people probably feel this way than the other. More than likely whats holding Buck back the most is the thought that if he did go solo, realistically there is no room for BOC, thus no more BOC. Anybody think Buck could be replaced in BOC and still consider it BOC? Technically, they could find a guitarist to play the parts but it would never, ever >be the same again. > >L8er > >lil' ab > >"Some people fly...and some of us worry. I'd risk it all to have wings. I >know if I try I'll get where I'm going, keeping my eyes on the sky." > > From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Apr 22 10:05:51 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:05:51 +0100 Subject: BOC: Me.262s (Was - Re: Buck Benefit / BOC fanatic checklist) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The lyric that I downloaded from somewhere has "Great silver slugs" (not grey-silver). I always assumed that this meant the rockets (because of the size). And what about "They hung their dependent like some heavy metal fruit"? Surely that means that the things are slung underneath the fuselage? - Mike Godwin From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 22 07:28:26 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:28:26 +0100 Subject: What happened to The Earth Ritual? Message-ID: Remember when the Earth Ritual 12" ep came out? The impression I got was that this was the start of a major new project but nothing seemed to come of it. Does anyone know what happened or what the original intention was? Thanks, -- Mark Edmonds From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Apr 22 11:09:58 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:09:58 -0400 Subject: HW: A Few Topics re: Message-ID: > I would suspect anything with Douglas In The Jungle on it and I'm not > being flippant. And Hash Cake '77. I take your point, but really would > *you*, specifically *you* be taken in by this? I bet you'd take one look > at it and know *exactly* what these tracks were. no, I wouldn't get suckered, but I bet lots of people who own 3 hw albums would. esp. if they never saw the samurai releases. BTW- i had forgotten exactly what tracks were on it. so yes, i admit it's fairly obvious. > As far as I know, It's a UK release that's available over there as an > import. That's another reason I don't think any laws been broken, it's > in every damn record shop in England! If it is or was an illegal > product, UK law would apply. Having said that. aren't copyright laws > applicable internationally under the Berne convention? i believe they are, but certain countries still get away with it. i wouldnt think UK fits that category. rj From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 22 11:13:49 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:13:49 +0100 Subject: BOC: Me.262s (Was - Re: Buck Benefit / BOC fanatic checklist) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, M R Godwin wrote: > The lyric that I downloaded from somewhere has "Great silver slugs" (not > grey-silver). I always assumed that this meant the rockets (because of the > size). Never thought of that - it certainly makes moresense. And allows us to clear the band of aeronautical ignorance, which is of course all-important ;-) > And what about "They hung their dependent like some heavy metal fruit"? > Surely that means that the things are slung underneath the fuselage? Doesn't that refer to the bombers rather than the 262? Hanging "dependant from the sky"? $0.02, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is | | exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 22 11:33:44 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:33:44 -0400 Subject: BOC Buck, Capt Solo? Message-ID: >Bet when tBS first started playing clubs advertised it as Al Bouchard, (fomer member of BOC) & the Brain Surgeons. After a while maybe Al Bouchard and the Brain Surgeons. Now simply tBS. No, I doubt it. Actually, Al has said that when the band first formed, he said something to the effect of "No-one is even going say the words 'Blue Oyster Cult'" My point was that Al can disassociate himself from BOC easier because he's been out of BOC so long - in 1994 when Eponymous was released, it had been around 13 years. The band has never, to my knowlege actively promoted themselves as "featuring Albert Bouchard, formerly of Blue Oyster Cult" -- it is we fans, and those who are trying to sell tBS material that sometimes make reference to this. There are mentions here and there about "Albert's old band" in tBS shows, but usually as part of between-song banter, and not really in trying to promote the band through association with Al (and Deb always introduces everyone in the band, without giving "special attention" to Al). > More than likely whats holding Buck back the most is the thought that if he did go solo, realistically there is no room for BOC, thus no more BOC. Anybody think Buck could be replaced in BOC and still consider it BOC? Well, if the other 4 of the original lineup were there, then yes. If Buck were to leave the current lineup of BOC, I have to admit that it would be hard to still call the band BOC - and I think the band also probably realizes that BOC might not be viable any longer without him. Interesting since a few years ago, we heard rumors to the effect that Buck wanted out and Eric managed to convince him to continue on. Now, some speculate whether Eric will leave and that maybe Buck is holding the band together. Don't know 'bout you folks, but I really there was a new album out to talk about, instead of these kind of speculations. John From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Apr 22 11:43:52 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 01:43:52 +1000 Subject: HW: A Few Topics re: Message-ID: Ron Jennings wrote: > > > I would suspect anything with Douglas In The Jungle on it and I'm not > > being flippant. What's wrong with "Douglas in the Jungle", eh? You got sumfin against chimpanzees bein on their knees? I think you're statement really needs a feasibility study.... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Apr 22 11:57:26 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:57:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: 30 Minutes Message-ID: Hey all, I was flipping though a book the other day at Borders and stumbled upon an entry about BOC. According to the tome, members of BOC, Meatloaf and some other bands(possibly) were on a show called "30 Minutes" making an argument for the music the play (rock music) essentially saying it should be loud. They were faced with a panel of anit-rock persons and thats all I know other than the author said it did didly squat and happened in November of 1978 on CBS. I wonder if the show is still lurking out there in videotape land. ----Prepare for comments about the recent Bucktalk---- As commented by lil ab, the Brain Surgeons have (in their adverts at least) become something more than an appendage of Al Bouchard's past band membership. The thing is with Buck, if he goes w/ the monicker of Buck Dharma as a solo act, he will most likely end up on the Rik Emmet (sp?) syndrome list of casualties....somewhat like Gary Brooker and Matthew Fisher of Procol Harum when they tried to leave on a solo flight. To be a successful non-BOC person in music as a career, he'll have to form a group completely free of the BOC trappings, as with a name that isn't "Buck Dharma," or "tR&tB. ---End comments---- Happy to be able to go to the 30th anniversary gig of Procol Harum's "Whiter Shade of Pale," Jason From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Apr 22 11:47:05 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:47:05 -0400 Subject: BOC: Me.262s (Was - Re: Buck Benefit / BOC fanatic checklist) Message-ID: ---------- From: M R Godwin[SMTP:hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 10:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC: Me.262s (Was - Re: Buck Benefit / BOC fanatic checklist) The lyric that I downloaded from somewhere has "Great silver slugs" (not grey-silver). I always assumed that this meant the rockets (because of the size). Well, being the WWII aviation buff that I am, I thought that the reference was to the American bombers over Der Vaterland (by the time that the 262 became operational, the USAAF/RAF had control of the skies over Europe. The USAAF found that the paint used to camouflage their aircraft added additional drag and weight to the planes and since the Luftwaffe was largely impotent to wage air raids on Allied airbases, the need for camouflaged a/c on the ground was not really necessary. I am not forgetting the RAF; they were still conducting night raids, but I don't think they ever stripped the cammo off of their bomber (I know that the fighters remained in cammo for the duration). Uhhh, this refers more to the statement below than the one above... As far as the statement about the "great/gray silver slugs in my snout" as previously pointed out, the 262 had anywhere from two to six 20mm (MK 108) cannon in the nose, while most of the Luftwaffe fighters used 7.9 mm machine guns (the 20mm's had a slow rate-of-fire compared to the 7.9's. Fine when you are busting bombers, but not so hot in a dogfight). There was a variant that had two 20MM and four 30MM (don't think this version ever went into production). There was even a version that had a 50MM cannon (two foot long projectile!) that was used for busting tanks. The R4M rockets were slung under the wings and bombs were carried under the fuselage, right under the nose. The R4M's were only fitted to a few 262's (24 rockets, 12 per wing, 55MM), but, so what, this is a song we are talking about and poetic license is to be expected. Probably more than any of you wanted to know... obBook: Jet Planes Of The Third Reich / Smith & Creek Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com And what about "They hung their dependent like some heavy metal fruit"? Surely that means that the things are slung underneath the fuselage? - Mike Godwin From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 22 17:07:01 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:07:01 GMT+0100 Subject: BOC: Me.262s (Was - Re: Buck Benefit / BOC fanatic checklist) Message-ID: On tis 22 apr 1997 15.05 "M R Godwin" wrote: > And what about "They hung their dependent like some heavy metal fruit"? > Surely that means that the things are slung underneath the fuselage? Surely "hung there"? Meaning the planes are just hanging in the sky .. Cheers, Carl From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Apr 22 12:18:06 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:18:06 -0500 Subject: BOC: Me.262s Message-ID: Jazza wrote, >> And what about "They hung their dependent like some heavy metal fruit"? >> Surely that means that the things are slung underneath the fuselage? > > Doesn't that refer to the bombers rather than the 262? Hanging >"dependant from the sky"? I'd have to say so since bombers made fairly easy targets to hit in them days and the fighters were typically their escorts..you could also stretch it to think that the seed of the heavy metal fruits were the bevy of bombs in the planes. , Jason From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 22 12:20:32 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:20:32 EDT Subject: off:PH Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > > > Happy to be able to go to the 30th anniversary gig of Procol Harum's > "Whiter Shade of Pale," > > Jason Jason, What's the lineup for this gig? I thought the 'reunion' album a couple of years ago was pretty bad, and it kills me to say so. Also, where's this gig being held? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 22 12:21:26 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:21:26 EDT Subject: BOC: 30 Minutes Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > ----Prepare for comments about the recent Bucktalk---- > As commented by lil ab, the Brain Surgeons have (in their adverts at least) > become something more than an appendage of Al Bouchard's past band > membership. > The thing is with Buck, if he goes w/ the monicker of Buck Dharma as a solo > act, he will most likely end up on the Rik Emmet (sp?) syndrome list of > casualties....somewhat like Gary Brooker and Matthew Fisher of Procol Harum > when they tried to leave on a solo flight. To be a successful non-BOC > person in music as a career, he'll have to form a group completely free of > the BOC trappings, as with a name that isn't "Buck Dharma," or "tR&tB. > ---End comments---- > Yet, sticking to Procol, Robin Trower had way more success after he left the band... theo > > From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Apr 22 12:20:18 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:20:18 -0600 Subject: OFF: Eloy Message-ID: Sonique wrote: > > On 22 Apr 97 at 3:14, Cliff and Pam Wheaton wrote: > > > Sonique wrote: > > > > > I'm fairly sure that lyrics were recentlyh added to the Eloy www page. I > > > haven't got the URL: hadny, but if you check my 'links' page from the UR > Fair enough .... maybe you should join the (very low volume coz it's only a > week old) Eloy mailing list and ask there? > > Paul I did join it!! Haven't got anything yet-but will! Papm > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Jon Browne said: >I would suspect anything with Douglas In The Jungle on it and I'm not >being flippant. And Hash Cake '77. I take your point, but really would >*you*, specifically *you* be taken in by this? I bet you'd take one look >at it and know *exactly* what these tracks were. I don't mind listening to Hash Cake 77 or Douglas In The Jungle (I like them) but I only need to hear ONE LP/MC/CD not 10million. The songs aren't going to change. I suspose the only way the band had combat this is to issue lots of material containing good stuff (which has started). I perosnally think they should issued everything they have ever done, and to stop the fact that a lot of people, wanting to try out the band, might be put off, they should issue it to fans only. Then by making it the same price as sold in the shops, they wouldn't lose money and we can hear ALL their stuff. Timothy Fintan Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com "I like all music, if pigs fly, but check out Quo, Hawkwind, Blues" (Timmy) *************TUNE IN FOR BIGGEST THING SINCE RADIO FRIST STARTED************* * Oxygen 107.9 - A shake up in broadcasting has just happened thanks to us. * ***************************************************************************** * Talk Radio - That's what I said: Talk Radio so Free call 0500 105389. * * For those of you how don't live in oxford it's the next best thing. * *You were once a kid and you must remeber Tommy boyd so check out from 2-4pm* ***************************************************************************** From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Apr 22 11:00:35 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 08:00:35 -0700 Subject: HW 2 items for Sale Message-ID: Item 1: Large Hall of the Mountain Grill album cover poster. Slighlty larger than "poster size". very minor wear. Asking $40 plus shipping. Item 2: Hawkwind tour 84, space ritual cover woman image, with UK venues. very minor wear. this is a standard poster size. Asking $30 plus shipping. I don't really want to sell these, but I don't have them on display and could use the cash. I would ship them in tubes to anywear since you are paying for it. Dane please respond via private email dcarlson at onecolor.com From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Apr 22 11:04:13 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 08:04:13 -0700 Subject: BOC For Sale Message-ID: BOC live in NY 1972 4 song EP This is a boot. White sleeve, with light blue cover. Asking $25 plus shipping Dane please respond via private email only (I have BOC turned "off") dcarlson at onecolor.com From chip at PCC.COM Tue Apr 22 12:48:41 1997 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:48:41 -0400 Subject: BOC Buck, Capt Solo? In-Reply-To: <199704221533.LAA14153@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Apr 22, 97 11:33:44 am Message-ID: John A Swartz spoke thusly: > The band has never, to my > knowlege actively promoted themselves as "featuring Albert Bouchard, > formerly of Blue Oyster Cult" ...well, this isn't true. I hung about 50 posters around town that said almost exactly what you've written above. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with it. We all like to have some guidance when it comes to picking music and tBS aren't really divorced from the BOC sound (for OBVIOUS reasons). While Al certainly doesn't, um, beat his own drum in this regard, he isn't (and shouldn't) hesitant to do so either. I've also seen Deb listed with previous band and writing references. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Apr 22 12:19:57 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:19:57 +0100 Subject: Westphalia, April 1945 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > "They hung their dependent like some heavy metal fruit"? > Doesn't that refer to the bombers rather than the 262? Hanging > "dependant from the sky"? Oh, I see what you mean: "They hung there, dependent from the sky" rather than "They hung their dependent (objects possessed by them) from the sky". That certainly makes more sense with "these bombers are ripened". Cheers - Mike Godwin PS Did you see that footage of the early Frank Whittle jets a few weeks ago? From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 22 18:23:45 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:23:45 BST Subject: What happened to The Earth Ritual? In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:28:26 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > Remember when the Earth Ritual 12" ep came out? The impression I got was > that this was the start of a major new project but nothing seemed to > come of it. Does anyone know what happened or what the original > intention was? I think that there was a planned reunion which didn't quite happen as intended and then Bob Calvert died so the whole thing was abandoned. The graphic art comic is probably about the closest that'll happen unless Hawkwind reuse The Earth Ritual title for some other concept idea! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 22 06:43:21 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:43:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: <9704221027.aa20678@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9704221027.aa20678 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes > >It's a US forces album which featured 4 HotMG tracks on one side and >some Airplane tracks on the other side. > Thanks for that. I thought I read that it was actually a missprint in that someone screwed the masters up. I take it then that that thought is incorrect? -- Mark Edmonds From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 22 16:01:59 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:01:59 +0100 Subject: BOC Buck, Capt Solo? In-Reply-To: <199704221533.LAA14153@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > > More than likely > whats holding Buck back the most is the thought that if he did go solo, > realistically there is no room for BOC, thus no more BOC. Anybody think > Buck could be replaced in BOC and still consider it BOC? > > Well, if the other 4 of the original lineup were there, then yes. If > Buck were to leave the current lineup of BOC, I have to admit that it > would be hard to still call the band BOC - and I think the band also > probably realizes that BOC might not be viable any longer without him. > Interesting since a few years ago, we heard rumors to the effect that > Buck wanted out and Eric managed to convince him to continue on. Now, > some speculate whether Eric will leave and that maybe Buck is holding > the band together. Didn't hear this before I went on holiday, and I can't help but wonder, what would Eric _do_ if he left? I always felt that the main reason that he'd always keep Buck in BOC if he could was that he had nowhere else to go (except DJing and so forth). Am I wrong? > Don't know 'bout you folks, but I really there was a new album out to > talk about, instead of these kind of speculations. I breathe them words with you, believe me... Jazza /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "I'm not satisfied, Everythin' I've tried, I don't like the way | | Life has been abusin' me." (Zappa) | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Apr 22 19:13:06 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:13:06 -0700 Subject: BOC: soloing and biding ones time before the beast is released Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > Yet, sticking to Procol, Robin Trower had way more success after he > left the band...true to the extent he had a series of LPs afterward, but still I get more "Robin who?" than I get "BOC who?" when talking about the bands with 20something collegiate persons. So if anything thats a reason for Buck to stay--BOC has had a staying power in the mind of the people. That and the new LP-forgive me, I mean CD- would lose a lot of momentum if Buck went solowards about now. With a nickname like Buck Dharma, you got to be in BOC-its just that cool. But I digress. hoping and praying for the Wheel to come down from the musical heavens, Jason (think how cool the advertisements could be with a title like EW..the BOC logo could be smack dab in the middle and having the wheel as a stage prop would be a sight to see at an outdoor show.) From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 22 16:13:21 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:13:21 +0100 Subject: BOC: Me.262s (Was - Re: Buck Benefit / BOC fanatic checklist) In-Reply-To: <01BC4F12.EFD74740@dynamic-39.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Craig Shipley wrote: > Well, being the WWII aviation buff that I am, I thought that the reference was to the > American bombers over Der Vaterland (by the time that the 262 became operational, > the USAAF/RAF had control of the skies over Europe. The USAAF found that the paint > used to camouflage their aircraft added additional drag and weight to the planes and since > the Luftwaffe was largely impotent to wage air raids on Allied airbases, the need for > camouflaged a/c on the ground was not really necessary. I am not forgetting the RAF; they > were still conducting night raids, but I don't think they ever stripped the cammo off of their > bomber (I know that the fighters remained in cammo for the duration). Uhhh, this refers more > to the statement below than the one above... Only problem with that interp. is it's hard to see why the bombers would be "eager to feed" compared to the other possibility, Von Ondine's bullets. But you're right, US bombers flew naked, basically because you could see their vapour trails for 200 miles anyway... But of course these are Englishmen, who didn't fly Fortresses and at this point one has got to stop taking it that seriously... > As far as the statement about the "great/gray silver slugs in my snout" as previously pointed out, > the 262 had anywhere from two to six 20mm (MK 108) cannon in the nose, while most of the Luftwaffe fighters > used 7.9 mm machine guns (the 20mm's had a slow rate-of-fire compared to the 7.9's. Fine when > you are busting bombers, but not so hot in a dogfight). There was a variant that had two 20MM and four 30MM > (don't think this version ever went into production). There was even a version that had a 50MM cannon > (two foot long projectile!) that was used for busting tanks. Way I read it, that one was a bomber-destroyer, and couldn't be used because the muzzle flash blinded the pilot - bad when flying straight into a bomber formation... > The R4M rockets were slung under the wings and > bombs were carried under the fuselage, right under the nose. The R4M's were only fitted to a few 262's (24 > rockets, 12 per wing, 55MM), but, so what, this is a song we are talking about and poetic license is to be > expected. Yeah. Pearlman's research never was too hot anyhow, huh? Jazza (positively my last post on this topic... ) /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is | | exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Apr 22 16:16:30 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:16:30 -0600 Subject: Has this ever happend to You? Message-ID: Has this ever happened to you? According to a post at the Mindcage Website some poor guy buys a copy of Images and Words by Dream Theater. Opens it up and the cd is painted for DT but when he puts it in the player its actually Pearl Jam. Poor guy. Any similar horror stories out there? Mindcage is a progressive metal band from San Francisco. They have a really nice page with some resources for looking up Prog Metal Acts, like Shadow Gallery, DT, Stratovarius, Fates Warning, et al. Other great links and sound bytes for Mindcage can be found there too. http://www.mindcage.com/contents.html Another PSA from the caffine junkie. L8er lil' ab "Some people fly...and some of us worry. I'd risk it all to have wings. I know if I try I'll get where I'm going, keeping my eyes on the sky." From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Apr 22 16:22:20 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:22:20 -0400 Subject: HW: A Few Topics re: Message-ID: > > > I would suspect anything with Douglas In The Jungle on it and I'm not > > > being flippant. > > What's wrong with "Douglas in the Jungle", eh? You got sumfin against > chimpanzees bein on their knees? > I think you're statement really needs a feasibility study.... > ya'll missed his point. he wasn't saying that douglas sucked, he was saying that it was a clear indication that the live and rare disc was a bunch of previously released material. how likely is it that HW96-97 is going to perform douglas in the jungle? his statement, taken with all context, is perfectly accurate. rj From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 22 16:25:09 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:25:09 -0400 Subject: BOC Buck, Capt Solo? Message-ID: I spake thusly: >> The band has never, to my > knowlege actively promoted themselves as "featuring Albert Bouchard, > formerly of Blue Oyster Cult" to which Chip replied: > ...well, this isn't true. I hung about 50 posters around town that said almost exactly what you've written above. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with it. We all like to have some guidance when it comes to picking music and tBS aren't really divorced from the BOC sound (for OBVIOUS reasons). While Al certainly doesn't, um, beat his own drum in this regard, he isn't (and shouldn't) hesitant to do so either. I've also seen Deb listed with previous band and writing references. Well, ya got me - gee, and I think I have a copy of this poster too! I'd forgotten the reference, but I really was trying to address the idea that the band was advertised as "Albert Bouchard and the Brain Surgeons", and later "The Brain Surgeons, featuring Albert Bouchard" - I had forgotten that there was some mention of Albert and his BOC days. I don't see anything wrong with using Al's past to tBS advantage - my point was that the band really for the most part didn't actively do so. And my point in the "can Buck do what Al did" comment that I made is that Albert is far enough removed from BOC these days that he has even less an association with them these days - meaning a lot of people are not going to recognize the Al/BOC connections (sure, all the diehard BOC fans will). My suspicion from talking with the band and reading things that Al and Deb have said is that tBS as a band are looking to forge their own identity (despite similarities in musical style due to Al's songwriting) and not ride Al's coattails (or his tux shirt ;-) ). I see no problem in them exploiting Al's past if they can, although I think they'd rather not play up that angle. They of course do some BOC songs, but basically for 2 reasons: 1) to acknowlege the fans of Al's former work and 2) because the songs are good. I don't think they play "Cities on Flame", for example, so that everyone will immediately think of BOC, but of a great song that Al wrote. O.K., I'm starting to ramble...I'm going home and study my tBS flyers and posters more carefully! ;-) John From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Tue Apr 22 16:34:02 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:34:02 -0600 Subject: OFF:Has this ever happend to You? -Reply Message-ID: >>> "BREVARD Adrian R." 04/22/97 02:16pm >>> Has this ever happened to you? According to a post at the Mindcage Website some poor guy buys a copy of Images and Words by Dream Theater. Opens it up and the cd is painted for DT but when he puts it in the player its actually Pearl Jam. Poor guy. Any similar horror stories out there? >>>>>>>> I bought a copy of Led Zeppelin II on vinyl and it had a CSNY album in it. Both were on Atlantic Records, don't know how the CSNY album ended up in the Zep cover though... Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 22 16:40:45 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:40:45 EDT Subject: Off: Trower Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > > > Yet, sticking to Procol, Robin Trower had way more success after he > > left the band...true to the extent he had a series of LPs afterward, but still I get more > "Robin who?" than I get "BOC who?" when talking about the bands with > 20something collegiate persons. So if anything thats a reason for Buck Well that may be true now, but for a time in the 70s, Robin was about as big as you could be. His first 3 or 4 solo records are real gems, and Robin had no trouble packing huge arenas back in those days. I think he [unfairly] was considered by some to be a one-trick pony, in that he was thought to be a Hendrix clone. I never got it myself, in fact I always preferred him to Jimi... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 22 16:48:58 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:48:58 EDT Subject: BOC: Me.262s (Was - Re: Buck Benefit / BOC fanatic chec Message-ID: > From: Jon Jarrett Only problem with that interp. is it's hard to see why the bombers > would be "eager to feed" compared to the other possibility, Von Ondine's > bullets. But you're right, US bombers flew naked, basically because you > could see their vapour trails for 200 miles anyway... But of course these > are Englishmen, who didn't fly Fortresses and at this point one has got > to stop taking it that seriously... > But not at that stage of the war. By then, the AAF had begun outfitting P52s and P47s with external fuel tanks, enabling them to escort the forts all the way into Deutschland and back... > > As far as the statement about the "great/gray silver slugs in my snout" as > previously pointed out, > > the 262 had anywhere from two to six 20mm (MK 108) cannon in the nose, while > most of the Luftwaffe fighters I could've sworn they used 30MM cannon [which would've fired even slower]... > > used 7.9 mm machine guns (the 20mm's had a slow rate-of-fire compared to the > 7.9's. Fine when > > you are busting bombers, but not so hot in a dogfight). There was a variant > that had two 20MM and four 30MM oops, sorry! > > (don't think this version ever went into production). There was even a > version that had a 50MM cannon > > (two foot long projectile!) that was used for busting tanks. > > Way I read it, that one was a bomber-destroyer, and couldn't be > used because the muzzle flash blinded the pilot - bad when flying straight > into a bomber formation... > Remember that Wolf was convinced the best way to utilize the 262 [at first, anyway] was as a fighter bomber. The 262 was operational at the end of '42, I believe, but not employed as a bomber destroyer until the war was essentially over for the Blitzkriek boys... theo From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Apr 22 17:26:35 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:26:35 -0400 Subject: What would Eric Do? Message-ID: > Didn't hear this before I went on holiday, and I can't help but >wonder, what would Eric _do_ if he left? That sounds like a good idea for a poll/suggestion list... Possibilities: DJ'ing has already been mentioned.... He could always try to work for AOL... Las Vegas circuit? Night Manager, the Museum of Cult? PA system guy for the Brain Surgeons? He could try to become a spokesperson for UltraZone (lasertaglike arenas)... He could live as a God in Japan..... (according to A. Levy) He could start a real cult.... He could sell mail-order "stun" guitars.... ===== BTW, what did he do during the brief time the band was broken up before returning to Greece? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From asg at IMAGINET.FR Tue Apr 22 17:46:01 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 23:46:01 +0200 Subject: OFF: Has this ever happend to You? Message-ID: >Has this ever happened to you? According to a post at the Mindcage >Website some poor guy buys a copy of Images and Words by Dream Theater. >Opens it up and the cd is painted for DT but when he puts it in the >player its actually Pearl Jam. Poor guy. Any similar horror stories >out there? Yep. Kinda. I once bought a copy of J. J. Cale's "Shade" (sp ?)... now, keep in mind that this was by pure curiosity having never heard any JJC before - but I'd read good reviews and, as I've had the opportunity to point out before (I think), I like to discover new things, especially when it sounds as good as those reviews made it sound. So you can imagine my surprise when, playing the tape, I started hearing children singing. I'm not sure in which language either, but it didn't sound like English. At first I thought it probably was just an intro, but it lasted... and lasted... I moved forward and the whole tape was like this. Weird. Could this really be JJC ? Nah. The worse about this is that I couldn't return the tape (I still have it somewhere) because it was the only copy they had (so they couldn't exchange it) and in France, you don't get a refund as easily as in the States. Practically impossible. Other story. I bought an Eagles album, I think it must have been the first. When I got home, I found out there was no tape in the tape, if you see what I mean. It was just an empty shell. Weird. I managed to exchange this one against another tape, though... Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Apr 22 21:32:05 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:32:05 -0400 Subject: BOC: Me.262s (Was - Re: Buck Benefit / BOC fanatic chec Message-ID: ---------- From: Ted Jackson jr. EL84[SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 4:48 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC: Me.262s (Was - Re: Buck Benefit / BOC fanatic chec > > As far as the statement about the "great/gray silver slugs in my snout" as > previously pointed out, > > the 262 had anywhere from two to six 20mm (MK 108) cannon in the nose, while > most of the Luftwaffe fighters I could've sworn they used 30MM cannon [which would've fired even slower]... There was a high speed 30MM developed for the six-gunned nose, FWIW. There > > used 7.9 mm machine guns (the 20mm's had a slow rate-of-fire compared to the > 7.9's. Fine when > > you are busting bombers, but not so hot in a dogfight). There was a variant > that had two 20MM and four 30MM oops, sorry! > > (don't think this version ever went into production). There was even a > version that had a 50MM cannon > > (two foot long projectile!) that was used for busting tanks. > > Way I read it, that one was a bomber-destroyer, and couldn't be > used because the muzzle flash blinded the pilot - bad when flying straight > into a bomber formation... Correct, I checked up on this and it was a bomber-buster, not a tank-buster. The idea was to blast the bombers from long range. Only two were built. The night fighter versions were a bitch to fly, due to the muzzle flash directly in front of you... > Remember that Wolf was convinced the best way to utilize the 262 [at first, anyway] was as a fighter bomber. The 262 was operational at the end of '42, I believe, but not employed as a bomber destroyer until the war was essentially over for the Blitzkriek boys... theo It was good ol' stupid Adolf that decreed that that the 262 be employed as a fighter-bomber. Her Messerschmidt tried to convince him that this was a fighter, but ol 'Doof, err, 'Dolf wouldn't be swayed. And no-one argued with the ol' Fuhrer if you wanted to live a while longer... First operational sortie by the 262, July 18 1944. Not 1942, if it had been in operation at that time, we'd probably all be speaking Deutch... Enough of all this... Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2847 bytes Desc: not available URL: From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed Apr 23 13:17:39 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:17:39 EST Subject: The BOC-L filters In-Reply-To: <9704221339.aa15036@uk.ac.ed.tattoo>; from "J Strobridge" at Apr 22, 97 01:39:29 pm Message-ID: > > The HW: bit and the BOC: bit also have to be in capitals. Small > letters don't work. I also understood that the Re: would be ignored > assuming it was added automatically by the headers as part of the reply > so that Re: HW: tour abandoned ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ These words should never be seen or uttered! Any news Mr Sonique ? regards Marty From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 22 22:44:26 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:44:26 PDT Subject: Off: Has this ever happend to You? Message-ID: >Has this ever happened to you? According to a post at the Mindcage >Website some poor guy buys a copy of Images and Words by Dream Theater. >Opens it up and the cd is painted for DT but when he puts it in the >player its actually Pearl Jam. Poor guy. Any similar horror stories >out there? I once bought a PolyGram CD Salisbury by Uriah Heep, and when I opened it up the disk had the title "Dirty Dancing Soundtrack" printed on it. I never played it to see if the content was Heep or not, I just got a refund. Ended up there was nothing else in the store that I wanted, and they would only exchange (no cash refund), so I took an Ozzy Osbourne CD. ------------------------- Bryan Young blyoung at hotmail.com ------------------------- My Hawkwind website, recently updated! http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 ---------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Apr 22 23:52:08 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 23:52:08 -0400 Subject: BOC: Marsha's Plan Message-ID: Awhile back there was some discussion about why tMP was included on the WOTT compilation. Now I don't mean to fan the fire scortching "Here's Johnny" but I had some thoughts about it today so I thought I that at least one or two people might be interested. I'd say that like most of the biggest failures BOC had this song was also my fault. If I'd known Steve Swann then it might not have been but :-) I got this idea that because there seemed to be so much squabbling about the royalties we should try to write a song all together. Make a completely democratic tune, improve morale, share the wealth, ya know, bond artisticly. Well after we finally got the song together we thought it was a success. Everybody had pretty much an equal share in the writing process. Allen and Donald did mostly lyrics. Joe and I did mostly music and Eric did a little bit of everything. He even got Don Kirshner to make a cameo appearance as the announcer in the middle (of course we didn't know that outside of our area he was unknown). We all knew that there wasn't anything commercial on the album, that's the way we planned it. So Columbia decided to make a video out of this song so it would be played on Don Kirshner's Rock Concert (remember kids, this was before MTV). It was fun making a video although I was disappointed with how it came out a bit but at the time I'd have had no idea how to make it better. It was a silly song that was a tongue in cheek as anything we ever did. Then the next year I heard "Jukebox Hero" and six months after that "Summer of 69" and I thought wow, this idea might have been good if we'd have been sincere about it. Oh well But that wasn't what I thought about today. Today I was thinking about if I had written the words to that song they wouldn't have been anything like that. I like open-ended songs. I usually don't feel the need for closure on a song. As long as the music delivers the story is better left up in the air to me. Donald always felt the need for closure on his songs. Most of them have a definite ending, like a short story. Starting with Last Days most of the songs except for maybe a few on Flat Out are in that mode. Oh and also excepting the songs he wrote with Meltzer. Those are all open-ended. Anyway, it was just a thought From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Apr 22 23:52:21 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 23:52:21 -0400 Subject: BOC: Helen Wheels Message-ID: Peter Sondergeld asks: >I was flicking through a book in a shop yesterday called Search & Destroy >and saw it had an interview with Helen Wheels. What I read in the short time >I had was interesting. Does anyone know more about her career and her >involvement with BOC? I only saw a passing mention of Soft White Underbelly Helen has moved to upstate New York and is working on several book projects and a Best Of Helen Wheels Band CD (it may come out on Cellsum!). She is still a vital artist and maybe if I keep buggin her she'll get online one of these days. From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Wed Apr 23 02:34:11 1997 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 23:34:11 -0700 Subject: BOC: Music Videos (was BOC: Marsha's Plan) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What videos has BOC had? I've had a friend tell me he saw Burnin' on MTV, but I've never seen any.. -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu Phone: (206) 547-6164 On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Albert T Bouchard wrote: > So Columbia decided to make a video out of this song so it would be > played on Don Kirshner's Rock Concert (remember kids, this was before > MTV). From jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM Wed Apr 23 03:14:21 1997 From: jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM (Jill Douglas) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:14:21 +0100 Subject: Has this ever happend to You? Message-ID: Hi All! A mispress? Phew! Keep it! It is worth far more than the original! Jill Douglas From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 23 11:48:27 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:48:27 BST Subject: What happened to The Earth Ritual? In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:28:26 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > Remember when the Earth Ritual 12" ep came out? The impression I got was > that this was the start of a major new project but nothing seemed to > come of it. Does anyone know what happened or what the original > intention was? Wasn't that just before Turner was kicked out again? I suspect that a lot of the ideas behind the project were Turner's - it has his sort of style. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 23 11:51:38 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:51:38 BST Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Cloth Bag In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:43:21 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > In article <9704221027.aa20678 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes > writes > > > >It's a US forces album which featured 4 HotMG tracks on one side and > >some Airplane tracks on the other side. > > > > Thanks for that. I thought I read that it was actually a missprint in > that someone screwed the masters up. I take it then that that thought is > incorrect? Yep. I presumed that this sort of thing was common on the US Forces releases. Does anyone know the idea behind these? Were they releases to be played on US Forces radio abroad in much the same way as BBC Transcription Discs were used? > Mark Edmonds FoFP From OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Apr 23 08:58:45 1997 From: OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU (OzHawks) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:58:45 +1000 Subject: The BOC-L filters In-Reply-To: <9704230217.AA06640@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: On 23 Apr 97 at 12:17, Martyn Lawrence wrote: > > that Re: HW: tour abandoned > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > These words should never be seen or uttered! I shuddered too! > Any news Mr Sonique ? Not as yet .... the biggest problem at the moment is sorting out how the hell to pay the up-front fee .... I'm working with Heartland on ideas for that, hopefully we will know what is happening within about a week. The gates of time are a closin! Sonique -- OzHawks The Australian Hawkwind Appreciation Society PO Box 884 Mail us an SAE for our free newsletter Mt Waverley "The Flying Doctor" VIC, 3149 http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks Australia mailto:OzHawks at pcmicro.com.au From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 23 09:00:59 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:00:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: Marsha's Plan Message-ID: >I'd say that like most of the biggest failures BOC had this song was also my fault. And most of BOC's biggest successes too, other than the commercial success of "the big 3" maybe. But, when you write as much of the material as you did, that's the price you pay I guess. To me, "The Marshall Plan" is an o.k. song (when I was a teen myself, I liked it a lot more - maybe I could identify with it better, having my own dreams of rock stardom), but probably shouldn't have been released as a single - because it was sort of not really representative of BOC. I understand it was a different time, and record companies are looking to get singles out, but CE had some many good heavy tunes that were more in line with the classic BOC sound. >We all knew that there wasn't anything commercial on the album Probably true enough - too bad that "non-commercial" stuff doesn't get played more often - people don't know what they're missing... >It was fun making a video although I was disappointed with how it came out a bit but at the time I'd have had no idea how to make it better. Yeah, considering when this was made, I thought it was a decent video - not great, but for that time period, it was pretty good. >there seemed to be so much squabbling about the royalties we should try to write a song all together. Make a completely democratic tune, improve morale, share the wealth, ya know, bond artisticly Hmm... care to elaborate? Sounds like things weren't happy on the good ship BOC around this time. Were you all trying to get more of your own songs on each record to get more royalties for yourselves as individuals? How were these things mediated? I've often wondered about Allen's contributions, or rather, lack of them after *Mirrors*. Did he just stop writing, or did he just not fight enough to get his stuff on the albums? Even after you left, and BOC started struggling to come up with songs, Allen didn't seem to contribute much in the way of songwriting. There were rumors a year or so ago to the effect that "Allen is writing again", although I don't know if he has any songwriting contributions to "the Wheel". John From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Apr 23 09:30:28 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:30:28 +1000 Subject: What happened to The Earth Ritual? In-Reply-To: <9704231148.aa19121@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On 23 Apr 97 at 11:48, M Holmes wrote: > Mark Edmonds writes: > > > Remember when the Earth Ritual 12" ep came out? The impression I got was > > that this was the start of a major new project but nothing seemed to come > > of it. Does anyone know what happened or what the original intention was? > > Wasn't that just before Turner was kicked out again? I suspect that a > lot of the ideas behind the project were Turner's - it has his sort of > style. Could have been ... but Nik's story is that he was busily writing lyrics for the Elric concept album (later CotBS), when Dave rang him up to say "you aren't paying enough interest in the band - you're out". Dunno if it's how it was, but that makes it a little later doesn't it? Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 23 11:12:52 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:12:52 EDT Subject: BOC: Marsha's Plan Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > >I'd say that like most of the biggest failures BOC had this song was also > my fault. > > And most of BOC's biggest successes too, other than the commercial > success of "the big 3" maybe. But, when you write as much of the > material as you did, that's the price you pay I guess. > Amen! Al, BOC's biggest failure was ousting you from the band! I bet my guitar collection that if Al was still in BOC, the band would be a hell of a lot more viable... > To me, "The Marshall Plan" is an o.k. song (when I was a teen myself, I > liked it a lot more - maybe I could identify with it better, having my > own dreams of rock stardom), but probably shouldn't have been released > as a single - because it was sort of not really representative of BOC. > I understand it was a different time, and record companies are looking > to get singles out, but CE had some many good heavy tunes that were > more in line with the classic BOC sound. > You have to consider it in the context Al suggested: a tongue-in-cheek sendup. And BD's gtr playing is out of this world on it... > >We all knew that there wasn't anything commercial on the album > > Probably true enough - too bad that "non-commercial" stuff doesn't > get played more often - people don't know what they're missing... > Exactly the reason BOC was such a great band. They experimented, they grew, they digressed. Some of it worked, some didn't, but they always took their chances. This is the thing Al appreciates: that true fans will accept experimentation as long as it's quality music. 3OC doesn't seem to grasp this. They seem so aimless nowadays... > > >there seemed to be so much squabbling about the > royalties we should try to write a song all together. Make a completely > democratic tune, improve morale, share the wealth, ya know, bond > artisticly > > Hmm... care to elaborate? Sounds like things weren't happy on the > good ship BOC around this time. Were you all trying to get more of I think EB was desperate around this time. The others were all contributing, and EB was stagnant. And I think he rsented Al's contribution to the band. Oddly, he seemed to accept BD as a dominant force, but not Al. Personal animosity bet. the two? > your own songs on each record to get more royalties for yourselves > as individuals? How were these things mediated? I've often wondered Good point...Does the producer then settle the tiebreakers? > about Allen's contributions, or rather, lack of them after *Mirrors*. > Did he just stop writing, or did he just not fight enough to get his > stuff on the albums? Even after you left, and BOC started struggling > to come up with songs, Allen didn't seem to contribute much in the > way of songwriting. There were rumors a year or so ago to the effect > that "Allen is writing again", although I don't know if he has any > songwriting contributions to "the Wheel". > > > John Al, what of the incredible shinking Allen? theo From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Apr 23 10:20:57 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:20:57 -0600 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 22 Apr 1997 - Special issue Message-ID: > >lil ab>Bet when tBS first started playing clubs advertised it as Al Bouchard, >(fomer member of BOC) & the Brain Surgeons. After a while maybe Al Bouchard >and the Brain Surgeons. Now simply tBS. > JS>"No, I doubt it. Actually, Al has said that when the band first >formed, he said something to the effect of "No-one is even going say the words 'Blue Oyster Cult'" My point was that Al can disassociate himself from BOC easier because he's been out of BOC so long - in 1994 when >Eponymous was released, it had been around 13 years. The band has never, to >my knowlege actively promoted themselves as "featuring Albert Bouchard, formerly of Blue Oyster Cult" -- it is we fans, and those who are trying to sell tBS material that sometimes make reference to this." Uh John not really what I was getting at. Venues and resellers are more likely to do this than tBS. Bet a dollar if they played Jaxx in this area there would be a mention in the ad about Al's past association. Its standard for them (Jaxx) They'll list any band you ever played in if they think it will sell tix. Conversely, I also agree with the other points made by a few, nothing wrong if Al wanted to do it. I was >speaking more about other parties mentioning the association, not tBS. > JS>"Don't know 'bout you folks, but I really there was a new album out to talk about, instead of these kind of speculations." Cheer up maybe we will have the comp for the Geezer fest ready prior to EW so we can talk about the songs included there. It'll be a nice stop >gap. > Jason>(think how cool the advertisements could be with a title like EW..the BOC logo could be smack dab in the middle and having the wheel >as a stage prop would be a sight to see at an outdoor show.) Would definitely be kewl. > > Theo>Well that may be true now, but for a time in the 70s, Robin was about as big as you could be. His first 3 or 4 solo records are real gems, and Robin had no trouble packing huge arenas back in those days. >I think he [unfairly] was considered by some to be a one-trick pony, in that >he was thought to be a Hendrix clone. I never got it myself, in fact I always preferred him to Jimi..." Ah the Jimi syndrome. He inspires a whole generation of brilliant guitarist and they all get criticised for being clones. I never considered Robin a Jimi clone, his music was great and recognizable as Robin Trower. I don't think Robin got it nearly as bad Frank Marino though. Frank caught flack for his singing too. All you aspiring Buck >wannabe's pay heed. 8>) > >L8er > >lil' ab > >"One step closer to the promise land your mind's a liar again" > > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 23 11:59:19 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:59:19 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 22 Apr 1997 - Special issue Message-ID: From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > > JS>"Don't know 'bout you folks, but I really there was a new album out > to talk about, instead of these kind of speculations." > > Cheer up maybe we will have the comp for the Geezer fest ready prior to > EW so we can talk about the songs included there. It'll be a nice stop > >gap. > > Tell ya what...It was great seeing the words 'Blue Oyster Cult' on the front of Guitar World this month. One of the editors is a huge BOC fan. In fact, he suggested once that COFWRaR should be the national anthem! And though briefly quoted, it's always great to see BD in print. He's very well spoken. And like he says, he's playing better than ever. Great to see a guy of his abilities still exploring and growing, rather than restin on his laurels... theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 23 12:11:23 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:11:23 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 22 Apr 1997 - Special issue Message-ID: >>my knowlege actively promoted themselves as "featuring Albert Bouchard, formerly of Blue Oyster Cult" -- it is we fans, and those who are trying to sell tBS material that sometimes make reference to this." >Uh John not really what I was getting at. Venues and resellers are more likely to do this than tBS. Bet a dollar if they played Jaxx in this area there would be a mention in the ad about Al's past association. Agreed - I thought you were going with how the band advertised itself. Certainly clubs are going to milk the BOC angle if they know of it, and if they know of BOC. When I mention tBS to people, I usually mention Al's past association as well. I'm not sure that I do it so much for the "BOC" connection (unless I'm specifically talking to a BOC fan) as much as I want to let the person know that this band has an established talent in the band. Of course, the rest of the band is talented as well (as we've all discussed here), and of course fame does not equal talent (also as we've discussed here), but still I think that such an association may be helpful for someone trying to decide what music to check out. >Cheer up maybe we will have the comp for the Geezer fest ready prior to EW so we can talk about the songs included there. Yes, at least one new BOC tune will hopefully be on CD soon. I have mixed feelings about the 2 live cuts as I've got so many copies already - but, I thought a bit about the "other artists" appearing on the CD. Not being big fans of theirs, I don't want to necessarily hear new music from them on this compilation - I want to hear their hits! I expect Foghat's "Slow Ride" and maybe "Fool for the City" would be on there, Steppenwolf doing "Born to be Wild" and "Magic Carpet Ride", and Pat Travers (he is the other act on Summerdaze, right?) doing "Boom Boom - Out Go the Lights". So, I can understand why "The Reaper" and "Godzilla" appear on this CD. John From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Apr 23 12:30:44 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:30:44 +0200 Subject: BOC: Music Videos (was BOC: Marsha's Plan) Message-ID: Peter wrote: >What videos has BOC had? I've had a friend tell me he saw Burnin' on MTV, >but I've never seen any.. > >-- Well, at least this one, the promo video "Here's Johnny" (tMP) of "Black and Blue" and an awful DFtR video (original music with clips from the "Live 76" show). But I think there is some more... Maybe the FAQ says something about this..? -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Apr 23 12:33:45 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:33:45 +0200 Subject: BOC: Music Videos (was BOC: Marsha's Plan) Message-ID: > >On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Albert T Bouchard wrote: > [About "Here's Johnny"/"the Marshall Plan"] >> So Columbia decided to make a video out of this song so it would be >> played on Don Kirshner's Rock Concert (remember kids, this was before >> MTV). > > Has it ever been played on TV? -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Apr 23 07:56:03 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:56:03 UT Subject: OFF: Has this ever happend to You? Message-ID: My LP of the _Escape from New York_ OST has a label on side two for "Bashville original cast recording". Do I get five pounds? - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 23 13:13:01 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:13:01 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 22 Apr 1997 - Special issue Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > > >Cheer up maybe we will have the comp for the Geezer fest ready prior to > EW so we can talk about the songs included there. > > Yes, at least one new BOC tune will hopefully be on CD soon. I have mixed > feelings about the 2 live cuts as I've got so many copies already - but, > I thought a bit about the "other artists" appearing on the CD. Not being > big fans of theirs, I don't want to necessarily hear new music from them > on this compilation - I want to hear their hits! I expect Foghat's "Slow > Ride" and maybe "Fool for the City" would be on there, Steppenwolf doing > "Born to be Wild" and "Magic Carpet Ride", and Pat Travers (he is the > other act on Summerdaze, right?) doing "Boom Boom - Out Go the Lights". > So, I can understand why "The Reaper" and "Godzilla" appear on this CD. > > John The Guitar World article said that Steppenwolf would be headlining the show. I can't explain this, and I mean them no disrespect. BOC certainly WAS the biggest of all these bands. The order itself means nothing to me, exc. that it will shorten BOC's set if they go on early. I don't blame BOC for releasing live cuts, esp. if EW is expected to see light of day anytime this year. And honestly, as John says, ANY material from the band will be most welcome. Hell, I almost came in my jeans when I saw Live '76 in a store in Belgium! Hadn't seen it in the US at the time, and I was salivating like a rabid Great Dane. This release coinciding with Wheeze fest reminds me of the one that accompanied Operation Rock and Roll, exc. that those were all new tunes. Another example of questionable performance times occurred during the Southern Spirit tour a few years back, wherin 38 Special, by far the most visible of any of the bands, played before Marshall Tucker headlined the show. The crowd loved it, though... theo From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Apr 23 13:56:26 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:56:26 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 22 Apr 1997 - Special issue Message-ID: >I almost came in my jeans when I saw Live '76 in a store in Belgium! >Hadn't seen it in the US at the time, and I was salivating like a >rabid Great Dane. This release coinciding with Wheeze fest reminds >me of the one that accompanied Operation Rock and Roll, exc. that >those were all new tunes. Speaking of Live '76, that was a Griffin release, right? So that's another BOC-L item in limbo with their bankruptcy... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Wed Apr 23 13:56:29 1997 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:56:29 EDT Subject: BOC: Marsha's Plan Message-ID: > ... BD's gtr playing is out of this world (on Marshal Plan) Nah, he just plays a lot of notes really fast on that one. He's much better than that... RR From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Wed Apr 23 14:16:18 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:16:18 -0500 Subject: BOC: Collaborations of the Telescopes Message-ID: Given this recent discusssion on "The Marshall Plan," I was wondering how the creative process that went on behind that tune differed in respects to the only other BOC written tune on record- WotT (and since it included SP in the credits, it is perhaps more of a representative of the group's work in the early days). I've always felt that this song was a highwater mark for the group working as a whole in the composing side of the coin. For me, the latter felt like an example of BOC saying "OK, let's show the audience (and ourselves) what the BOC sound is all about." I've always found it interesting that Buck Dharma, not Don Roeser is credited with taking part in writing "Buck's Boogie." ---But thats just an aside. Gabba goo ga, Jason From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed Apr 23 14:27:54 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:27:54 +0100 Subject: 25 years on album Message-ID: Hi I've just got a copy of the 25 years on album (for L2.50 whihc is the cheapest I've seen) and I was wondering who Henry Lowther (plays Tumpet) and Les McClure were (whipser vocals)? What other artists did they work for? Also how did Simon King and Simon House get invovled, because they didn't play on the tour. Timothy Langner PS I recommend Hawkwind play Free Fall again with Ron doing the vocals. From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Apr 23 16:35:49 1997 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:35:49 -0400 Subject: HW: cd's for sale... In-Reply-To: <9704221325.aa10094@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In <9704221325.aa10094 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, on 04/22/97 at 01:25 PM, J Strobridge said: >Ron Jennings writes: >> The Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations (Original Fliknife issue!)(1988) >> $15 UK >ohmigawd 8-) >thanks! I take it that means you're interested? :( -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Apr 23 17:53:22 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:53:22 -0400 Subject: BOC... #1 injury concert? Message-ID: Checking through pages that mention BOC, I came across a page that was an article about a doctor who works rock concerts, treating injuries that people suffer in mosh pits, stage diving, etc. At one point they asked him to recall the worst concert injury-wise he could remember, and he replied: > He grimaces as he remembers one of the worst shows. "Blue Oyster Cult, > New Year's Eve. Over 70 people treated at that one." Well.... anyone know anything about what year this might've been? It was in San Fransisco, and it mentions that he started working in 1978, so we can probably narrow this down. This seems a pretty distinguished mark to hold, I guess... The article is at http://www.hafci.org/hafci/rockmed/flash1.html +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Wed Apr 23 20:36:16 1997 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:36:16 -0700 Subject: Help Message-ID: I'm looking to find out the name of the group that performs a song with the following lyrics: There's a voice inside my head that says "Seize the day, pull the trigger, make em pay" I suspect the title might be "One More Time Around", possibly by Soundgarden, but I haven't been able to find it one any of their releases that I have seen. Has anyone got any ideas? I'm also looking for the cd "REO Speedwagon" if anyone knows were I can find it. I'm looking for these as gifts for a friend you understand, I only listen to Hawkwind Thanks, John From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Apr 23 21:31:54 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:31:54 +1000 Subject: Help Message-ID: At 05:36 PM 23/04/97 -0700, you wrote: >I'm looking to find out the name of the group that performs a song with the >following lyrics: > >There's a voice inside my head >that says "Seize the day, >pull the trigger, >make em pay" > >I suspect the title might be "One More Time Around", possibly by >Soundgarden, but I haven't been able to find it one any of their releases >that I have seen. Has anyone got any ideas? I'm also looking for the cd >"REO Speedwagon" if anyone knows were I can find it. > I'm looking for these as gifts for a friend you understand, I only >listen to Hawkwind > >Thanks, >John > > John, I think this might be what you want. It's off *Superunknown*. Can't help you with REO, though. Pete. http://imusic.interserv.com/soundgarden/sg3/discography2/lyrics3/ly-theday.html THE DAY I TRIED TO LIVE Written by Chris Cornell I WOKE THE SAME AS ANY OTHER DAY EXCEPT A VOICE WAS IN MY HEAD IT SAID SEIZE THE DAY, PULL THE TRIGGER, DROP THE BLADE AND WATCH THE ROLLING HEADS THE DAY I TRIED TO LIVE I STOLE A THOUSAND BEGGARS CHANGE AND GAVE IT TO THE RICH THE DAY I TRIED TO WIN I DANGLED FROM THE POWER LINES AND LET THE MARTYR'S STRETCH SINGING ONE MORE TIME AROUND MIGHT DO IT ONE MORE TIME AROUND MIGHT MAKE IT ONE MORE TIME AROUND MIGHT DO IT ONE MORE TIME AROUND THE DAY I TRIED TO LIVE WORDS YOU SAY NEVER SEEM TO LIVE UP TO THE ONES INSIDE YOUR HEAD THE LIVES WE MAKE NEVER SEEM TO EVER GET US ANYWHERE BUT DEAD THE DAY I TRIED TO LIVE I WALLOWED IN THE BLOOD AND MUD WITH ALL THE OTHER PIGS I WOKE THE SAME AS ANY OTHER DAY YOU KNOW I SHOULD HAVE STAYED IN BED THE DAY I TRIED TO WIN I WALLOWED IN THE BLOOD AND MUD WITH ALL THE OTHER PIGS AND I LEARNED THAT I WAS A LIAR JUST LIKE YOU [Home] [Directory] [Search] [E-Mail Soundgarden] [RETURN to iMusic] [Directory] [Search] (c) 1996 iMusic, inc. - all rights reserved. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Hello, this is Dogbert's Professional Headhunting Service. I find jobs for the most talented technical professionals. Several people have mentioned your name. So, is it true they'll be looking for somebody to fill your job soon? Hello?" - Dogbert From PsychoGuy at AOL.COM Wed Apr 23 21:55:42 1997 From: PsychoGuy at AOL.COM (Bill Futreal) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:55:42 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOC Webring Message-ID: I've finally got the BOC Webring online. The webring home page is at http://members.aol.com/psychoguy/bocring.htm. Access that page for complete details. For general info about the webring concept, see http://www.webring.org. Those of you on BOC-L who have BOC / BOC related web pages, join the ring! The more sites in the ring, the more exposure we all get and the more we promote BOC on the WWW. You can join from my AOL page. There's only two pages in there right now, the ring home page and my own BOC home page. Email me if you have any questions or need more info. Bill From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Apr 23 22:52:40 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:52:40 +1000 Subject: 25 years on album In-Reply-To: <199704231827.TAA07913@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 23 Apr 97 at 19:27, langner timothy wrote: > PS > > I recommend Hawkwind play Free Fall again with Ron doing the vocals. Now that would be pretty cool! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! . From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Apr 24 00:37:36 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 00:37:36 -0400 Subject: BOC: Albert on Workshop and Marshall Plan Message-ID: Albert Bouchard on Marshall Plan, from e-mail to me: "Yes Allen wrote most of the lyrics. I was the riffmeister. Eric did part of the melody and his rap. Don Kirschner did his own material. Don did the middle break. Joe wrote some of the chords." On Workshop of the Telescopes: "I don't remember who exactly did what but I know it started out as my song. Pearlman wrote all the words amd the main lick was something I wrote." It's not much, but there's some insight on the writing of those songs. Anybody surprised that WotT was originally an Albert tune? :-) By the way, I kind of like Marshall Plan...just don't take it too seriously, and it's kind of fun... SET From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Thu Apr 24 02:01:23 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 00:01:23 -0600 Subject: BOC: Marsha's Plan Message-ID: Al wrote: >We all knew that there wasn't anything commercial on the album It has always surprised me how little attention the song Deadline has received. I can't say enough how much I LOVE this song. In fact, I Love the Night and Deadline are probably my 2 favorite songs of all time (and that's saying something). Maybe it's not really 'commercial', but it strikes me as being more so than TMP. OK, so the lyrics are a little dark... Aaron Crandall deadline at cyberhighway.net From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Thu Apr 24 02:12:52 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 00:12:52 -0600 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 22 Apr 1997 - Special issue Message-ID: Ted Jackson, Jr wrote: Next time I hear that song I'll put my hand over my heart... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He also was involved some way with Ambit, the poetry magazine that Mike Moorcock and Bob C had some stuff published in, which is maybe how he got onto 25 years. Yours, full of boring and half remembered vaguely related HW trivia Mike w From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Apr 24 05:07:08 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:07:08 +0100 Subject: BOC: Must these Englishmen live? In-Reply-To: <970424003734_-400848862@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: I think someone recently mentioned that the RAF were only doing night raids, with the Americans taking the day shift. 1) Did the Me262s fly anti-bomber sorties at night? Or should it be "Must these Americans live that I might die?" 2) Did BOC really write Me262 during an unsuccessful English tour, or is this another of those unlikely Cully Stout Beer tales? (Possibly even from the same article in Circus). All answers welcomed - Mike Godwin From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Apr 24 05:44:19 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:44:19 +0100 Subject: HW: 25 years on album Message-ID: Mike w said: >Henry Lowther is a sort of jazz person, who plays with various bands (or >at least did). I think he appears on an album called seventh wave (which >obviously I had to buy), or some other album from my past that I've never >listened to more than twice. Thanks for the info. I'll ask my brother if he's got anything, he's into jazz. Timothy Langner From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Apr 24 05:57:13 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:57:13 UT Subject: BOC: Must these Englishmen live? Message-ID: >2) Did BOC really write Me262 during an unsuccessful English tour, or is >this another of those unlikely Cully Stout Beer tales? (Possibly even from >the same article in Circus). I didn't think BOC toured Britain until '75, when, incidentally, they used the Me-262 on the tour poster. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From lansford at VNET.NET Thu Apr 24 06:09:24 1997 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:09:24 GMT Subject: What would Eric Do? In-Reply-To: <199704222126.RAA05901@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Andrew A. Apold wrote: >>Didn't hear this before I went on holiday, and I can't help but >>wonder, what would Eric _do_ if he left? > >That sounds like a good idea for a poll/suggestion list... > > A reviewer (in CA, I think) suggested salesman several years ago. >BTW, what did he do during the brief time the band was broken up before >returning to Greece? Didn't he have a distributorship for vitamin supplements at one time? Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 24 07:26:04 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 07:26:04 EDT Subject: BOC... #1 injury concert? Message-ID: > From: "Andrew A. Apold" > Checking through pages that mention BOC, I came across a page that > was an article about a doctor who works rock concerts, treating > injuries that people suffer in mosh pits, stage diving, etc. > At one point they asked him to recall the worst concert injury-wise > he could remember, and he replied: > > > He grimaces as he remembers one of the worst shows. "Blue Oyster Cult, > > New Year's Eve. Over 70 people treated at that one." > "New Years eve, was the final barrier..." From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Thu Apr 24 08:20:16 1997 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:20:16 -0400 Subject: HW: cd's for sale... In-Reply-To: <19970422112227031.AAA148@hawk2> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Ron Jennings wrote: > hi all, forwarding this list for a friend. > i recently bought the hawkwind picture log book from him in mint condition, > and was very pleased with the deal. > > e-mail to: phil at toms.net > > rj > > > > HAWKSALE PT 1 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > (This partial list was revised on April 22, 1997) > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > *Note the new lower prices than previous posting!* > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Lord of Light US Cleo. $5 US > w/bonus track by Nik Turner > > Gimmie Shelter CD ep 'Rock' Hawkwind w/Samantha Fox >>offers? > > Undisclosed Files-Addendum US Griffin $7 > > The Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations (Original Fliknife issue!)(1988) > $15 UK > > The Chronicle of the Black Sword >CD (Original UK issue on Fliknife) w > Bonus tracks 'Arioch', 'Assault & Battery' LIVE & 'Sleep of 1000 > Tears'LIVE $10 > > Warrior on the Edge of Time/Remastered >CD w/Book $29 > > The Business Trip LIVE UK issue in Digi-Pak $14 > > NIK TURNER 'Space Ritual 1994 Live' 2 CD's (Scratch on Disc 2 tho' > Gauranteed > to play $11 US > > NIK TURNER 'Sphynx' (1993) >CD $6 US > > Nik Turner & the Travellers of Space Promo CD $8 US > > ICU 'New Anatomy' CD MINT! Hard to Find! $25 > > TWINK 'Mr Rainbow' >CD (1990) $4 TWK CD1 > > PINKWIND 'Festival of the Sun' MINT! Limited to 1000 $25 TWK CD2 > > HIGH TIDE >CD (Unofficial?) (W. German) w/4 bonus tracks from 'Sea > Shanties' $ > what do you have left? I am interested in any you have listed except for Nik Space Ritual 94 or the last 4 in the list Jeremy R Horne From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 24 08:24:42 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:24:42 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: tBS in Toronto Message-ID: Deb asked me to pass this on: Gigflash: Please tell fellow BOC'lers that the Brain Surgeons will be appearing in TORONTO CANADA on Friday, June 13. Venue is the legendary El Mocambo (where the Rolling Stones recorded a live album). John From AgentOF at AOL.COM Thu Apr 24 09:22:22 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:22:22 -0400 Subject: BOC: Marshall Plan Message-ID: Aaron, If you love Deadline, your in for a treat when you hear The Buck Dharma Band version. Deadline was so great at the Atlanta Show, that Buck played around with the ADAT tapes of that first! As soon as I get a cassette copy of it, I will make a wav file and put some of it on Jack's Page (Blue Oyster Cult Online). CE is my favorite BOC record, BTW, and I didn't hear ANYONE complain about the new Jazzy version. A thought on the Marshall Plan. That is hands down, my favorite song to play during the day of a BOC show. CE has a fantasy feel to it, something you can get lost in and Marshall Plan fits in that mold. chuck From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Thu Apr 24 09:21:08 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:21:08 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: tBS in Toronto Message-ID: And Stevie Ray Vaughan (God rest his soul) Deb asked me to pass this on: Gigflash: Please tell fellow BOC'lers that the Brain Surgeons will be appearing in TORONTO CANADA on Friday, June 13. Venue is the legendary El Mocambo (where the Rolling Stones recorded a live album). John From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Apr 24 09:26:46 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:26:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: Must these Englishmen live? Message-ID: ---------- From: M R Godwin[SMTP:hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 1997 5:07 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC: Must these Englishmen live? I think someone recently mentioned that the RAF were only doing night raids, with the Americans taking the day shift. That was me and yes, the RAF did the night shift and the USAAF did the day bombing. "Round the clock destruction" was the fate of the Third Reich... The RAF did switch to day bombing towards the end of the was and let us not forget that the RAF waged daily raids throughout the war on various Continental targets. 1) Did the Me262s fly anti-bomber sorties at night? Or should it be "Must these Americans live that I might die?" Yes, but very few. Radar wasn't fitted until 1/45 and really needed the two-seat version to be successful. By then, it was too late... The line isn't really wrong, as the skies over Germany were full of Allied warplanes of many nations. Granted, they may have been RAF a/c with a small Polish/Czech/ Free French logo, but they were there... So it could have even been "these Frenchmen". 2) Did BOC really write Me262 during an unsuccessful English tour, or is this another of those unlikely Cully Stout Beer tales? (Possibly even from the same article in Circus). Dunno; Al? All answers welcomed - Mike Godwin Craig Shipley (who has a huge painting of a Spitfire and an RAF plaque on his mantle over the fireplace). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I always thought similarly about the ST recording of ME262 - though it isn't quite all the band in the credits, it really does sound as if they were all enjoying themselves hugely recording it... a sound that the later albums lack a bit. Maybe this is why the first three are top choice of much of BOC-L over the better-produced later stuff. Two penn'orth, anyhow, Jazza /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is | | exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 24 10:09:26 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:09:26 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 22 Apr 1997 - Special issue In-Reply-To: <176F64E1F0E@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > Tell ya what...It was great seeing the words 'Blue Oyster Cult' on > the front of Guitar World this month. One of the editors is a huge > BOC fan. In fact, he suggested once that COFWRaR should be the > national anthem! And though briefly quoted, it's always great to see > BD in print. He's very well spoken. And like he says, he's playing > better than ever. Great to see a guy of his abilities still > exploring and growing, rather than restin on his laurels... > theo Anything interesting there? Also, can someone bring me up to date on the Geezer Fest - when I went on holiday I don't remember anything about a compilation from it. Yours curiously, Jazza _____________________________________________________________________________ Jon Jarrett Pembroke College Cambridge "If he really thinks we're the (01223 327450) devil, Then let's send them to jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk Hell!" (B.O.C., `Divine Wind') ======================================================================== From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 24 10:13:27 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:13:27 EDT Subject: BOC: Collaborations of the Telescopes Message-ID: > From: Jon Jarrett > > I always thought similarly about the ST recording of ME262 - > though it isn't quite all the band in the credits, it really does sound as > if they were all enjoying themselves hugely recording it... a sound that > the later albums lack a bit. Maybe this is why the first three are top > choice of much of BOC-L over the better-produced later stuff. Two > penn'orth, anyhow, > Jazza > Remember, though, that back in the early 70s, the first 3 BOC albums sounded pretty damn amazing. Compare them to other albums of that time, and they stand tall... theo From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 24 10:14:39 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:14:39 -0400 Subject: BOC: Marshall Plan Message-ID: >Aaron, > >A thought on the Marshall Plan. That is hands down, my favorite song to play >during the day of a BOC show. CE has a fantasy feel to it, something you can >get lost in and Marshall Plan fits in that mold. I thought the opposite, that it clashed with the rest of CE. The other songs on the album are of bizarre, distant emotions, whereas TMP seems down to earth. To try an make it fit the mold, I try to imagine Imaginos later taking revenge on Johnny (because of Suzy...) +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From AgentOF at AOL.COM Thu Apr 24 10:35:54 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:35:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: Marshall Plan Message-ID: Well, I certainly fall in the category of wishing to be a Rock Star as Total Fantasy! To me, being on the ship in "Monsters" is more realistic:-) chuck From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu Apr 24 10:51:21 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 07:51:21 -0700 Subject: BOC... #1 injury concert Message-ID: > He grimaces as he remembers one of the worst shows. "Blue Oyster Cult, > New Year's Eve. Over 70 people treated at that one." > It was in San Francisco in 1978. Hmmm. can't quite see this. I was an avid BOC fan in High School and I cannot imagine missing a New Years gig, I suffered a Journey show for lack of things to do, and that was 78 or 79. I don't remember BOC playing here on any New years. They didn't play here much anyway, and was ecstatic when I understood the significance of what Soft White Underbelly meant. And that was 80? 81? dane From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 24 11:01:47 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:01:47 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 22 Apr 1997 - Special issue Message-ID: > From: Jon Jarrett > On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > > Tell ya what...It was great seeing the words 'Blue Oyster Cult' on > > the front of Guitar World this month. One of the editors is a huge > > BOC fan. In fact, he suggested once that COFWRaR should be the > > national anthem! And though briefly quoted, it's always great to see > > BD in print. He's very well spoken. And like he says, he's playing > > better than ever. Great to see a guy of his abilities still > > exploring and growing, rather than restin on his laurels... > > theo > > Anything interesting there? Also, can someone bring me up to date > on the Geezer Fest - when I went on holiday I don't remember anything > about a compilation from it. Yours curiously, > Jazza > _____________________________________________________________________________ I'd say that the article is for completists and guitar junkies mainly. BD gets about three sentences or so. I get the mag anyway on subscription. The compilation thing is a strong rumor, though nothing truly concrete yet. Someone posted some dates for the shows, but it wasn't complete. For instance, BD mentioned on one of the chats that they'd be playing at Darien Lake, yet it wasn't on the list... theo From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu Apr 24 11:10:30 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:10:30 -0700 Subject: Off Jill Strobridge Message-ID: Jill, I need your address. Dane From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu Apr 24 11:11:48 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:11:48 -0700 Subject: OFF Craig Shipley Message-ID: Craig, email me please. would love to get that Derringer on tape. Dane dcarlson at onecolor.com danec at earthlink.net From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 24 11:24:58 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:24:58 -0400 Subject: BOC... #1 injury concert Message-ID: >> He grimaces as he remembers one of the worst shows. "Blue Oyster Cult, >> New Year's Eve. Over 70 people treated at that one." >> It was in San Francisco in 1978. > >Hmmm. can't quite see this. I was an avid BOC fan in High School and I cannot imagine missing a New Years gig, I suffered a Journey show for lack of things to do, and that was 78 or 79. I don't remember BOC playing here on any New years. They didn't play here much anyway, and was ecstatic when I understood the significance of what Soft White Underbelly meant. And that was 80? 81? I meant, he had worked in San Fransisco since 1978, so it had to be sometime from that date forwards. Presumably sometime before they stopped playing in major venues... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 24 11:41:36 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:41:36 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: What's up with the webpage? Message-ID: The tBS webpage has been down since at least last weekend. I've tried contacting Tania via e-mail, but haven't yet heard from her. Anybody know what's up? John From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Apr 24 12:17:51 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:17:51 -0400 Subject: BOC: Music Videos (was BOC: Marsha's Plan) Message-ID: Hmmm, I remember seeing Shooting Shark on MTV. Not much to look at, just BOC playing at a smoky club...at least, that's all I remember (hey, I only saw it once, and it was a long time ago! :-). SET From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Thu Apr 24 12:35:26 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:35:26 CDT Subject: off: new Fish? (with Steve Wilson of PTree) Message-ID: Has anyone heard anything about Fish (ex-Marillion)'s new lp _Sunsets of Empire_ (with Steve Wilson of Porcupine Tree)? Singles were due to have been released in mid-February, but I've not found anyone who has heard them. The cd was supposedly released in Japan on last Friday (with bonus track, of course), but I haven't heard of anywhere able to get that either (Ranjit doesn't seem to have it yet, and while cdnow listed 2 singles, it didn't sound like they were out yet--they appeared as special order imports...). Any info would, as always, be appreciated 8-) Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 24 18:54:56 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:54:56 GMT+0100 Subject: BRAIN: What's up with the webpage? Message-ID: On tor 24 apr 1997 11.41 "John A Swartz" wrote: > The tBS webpage has been down since at least last weekend. I've tried > contacting Tania via e-mail, but haven't yet heard from her. Anybody > know what's up? Oh, I knew I forgotten to make an announcement somewhere ... :} There was trouble between the host, Novus Papyrus, and their internet provider. The result was that Novus Papyrus, and thus the tBS web page, are not currently on-line. It's unclear what the final result will be. Tania is well pissed off at her buddies in Novus Papyrus, as you might expect. It may be that a resurrected version of the page appears off my Harvard WWW site in the near future. If so (and in any case) further updates will be posted to BOC-L (Really! :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi L?ngstrump ************************************************************************ From AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU Thu Apr 24 13:50:38 1997 From: AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU (AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:50:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: Marsha's Plan Message-ID: Deadline is an amazing song, but is it very typical of BOC's sound at the time? I find Black Blade, Monsters, Unknown Tongue, and Fallen Angel to have that "sound" more than Deadline, which I think is the best song on CE. Alton Broussard From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Apr 24 15:50:08 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:50:08 -0400 Subject: HW: cd's for sale... Message-ID: ---------- > From: Jeremy R. Horne > what do you have left? I am interested in any you have listed except for > Nik Space Ritual 94 or the last 4 in the list > Jeremy R Horne Jeremy, you must e-mail phil >>> phil at toms.net <<< for info. I merely forwarded his list, and am not in regular contact with him. rj From jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM Thu Apr 24 18:08:06 1997 From: jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM (Jill Douglas) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:08:06 +0100 Subject: off: new Fish? (with Steve Wilson of PTree) Message-ID: Hi All Sunsets On Empire by Fish is released on 17th may in the UK. It was released in Japan (with a bonus track) last week and Fish is at present in Japan promoting it. A single from it "Change of Heart" is released on Monday. In my opinion this album is the finest that Fish has ever produced either with or without Marillion and I am a long term fan. Steve Wilson has produced and cowritten it and there are some wonderful guitar parts. On the tracks he has cowritten he is very apparant. Good stuff especially What Colour is God Jill Douglas From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Apr 24 19:20:14 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:20:14 -0500 Subject: off: new Fish? (with Steve Wilson of PTree) In-Reply-To: <335FD9C6.1576@rockshot.u-net.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Jill Douglas wrote: > Sunsets On Empire by Fish is released on 17th may in the UK. > [other info snipped] Sounds awesome! Might there be a domestic release date yet or ever? Thanks, Damon From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Apr 24 23:49:41 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:49:41 +1000 Subject: BOC... #1 injury concert Message-ID: At 11:24 AM 24/4/97 -0400, you wrote: >>> He grimaces as he remembers one of the worst shows. "Blue Oyster Cult, >>> New Year's Eve. Over 70 people treated at that one." >>> It was in San Francisco in 1978. >> They weren't still using lasers then, were they? ;) Pete. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Hello, this is Dogbert's Professional Headhunting Service. I find jobs for the most talented technical professionals. Several people have mentioned your name. So, is it true they'll be looking for somebody to fill your job soon? Hello?" - Dogbert From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Fri Apr 25 01:02:57 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:02:57 -0600 Subject: BOC: Marsha's Plan Message-ID: Alton Broussard wrote: I think you're right, Deadline is not typical of the rest of the album. Unknown Tongue or Lips in the Hills would have been good choices, though... Aaron Crandall deadline at cyberhighway.net From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Fri Apr 25 01:04:08 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:04:08 -0600 Subject: BOC: Marshall Plan Message-ID: I can't wait! -----Original Message----- From: [SMTP:AgentOF at AOL.COM] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 1997 7:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC: Marshall Plan Aaron, If you love Deadline, your in for a treat when you hear The Buck Dharma Band version. Deadline was so great at the Atlanta Show, that Buck played around with the ADAT tapes of that first! As soon as I get a cassette copy of it, I will make a wav file and put some of it on Jack's Page (Blue Oyster Cult Online). CE is my favorite BOC record, BTW, and I didn't hear ANYONE complain about the new Jazzy version. A thought on the Marshall Plan. That is hands down, my favorite song to play during the day of a BOC show. CE has a fantasy feel to it, something you can get lost in and Marshall Plan fits in that mold. chuck -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2614 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri Apr 25 02:41:48 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 02:41:48 -0400 Subject: BOC: Marsha's Plan Message-ID: Ross Reyes wrote (re: "The Marshall Plan"): > Nah, he just plays a lot of notes really fast on that one. > > He's much better than that... Bingo, Ross. I always wondered whether Buck intended that solo to be what I for one heard it as--frenetic, soulless show-off stuff that represented Johnny's idea of "kick-ass rock and roll". The solo reminds me of his one on "Metalhead", which I take in a similar vein. Also reminds me of "Shadow Warrior", although I don't think anyone was joking there. From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri Apr 25 09:23:02 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:23:02 CDT Subject: off: new Fish? (with Steve Wilson of PTree) Message-ID: So, is there a good outlet on or offline for the Japanese release? Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Thursday, April 24, 1997 5:46 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: off: new Fish? (with Steve Wilson of PTree) Hi All Sunsets On Empire by Fish is released on 17th may in the UK. It was released in Japan (with a bonus track) last week and Fish is at present in Japan promoting it. A single from it "Change of Heart" is released on Monday. In my opinion this album is the finest that Fish has ever produced either with or without Marillion and I am a long term fan. Steve Wilson has produced and cowritten it and there are some wonderful guitar parts. On the tracks he has cowritten he is very apparant. Good stuff especially What Colour is God Jill Douglas From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Fri Apr 25 10:10:13 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:10:13 -0700 Subject: Off New Fish Message-ID: Forgive my doubts, but Fish has a long way to go to convince me to buy anything by him ever again. I enjoyed Wilderness of Mirrors and then thought he slid into a hole faster that you can say, "Marillion suck just as bad..." Having been a follower of Marillion, I thought when they split apart each side suffered. Fish would actually have to give his new album away as proof, here it's free, try it, I swear it's good. DAne ObCD: Spiral Realms - Trip to G9 From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Fri Apr 25 10:16:35 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:16:35 -0700 Subject: OFF New CD (to me) Message-ID: Hi ya'll I just got the first cd by Architectural Metaphor, Odysseum Galacti (something like that.) totally excellent. Floydian guitar, Tangerine Dreamy synths. Drifty guitar laden, keyboard heavy space rock. Like Melting Euphoria but better, more interesting. Thy do a Sonic Attack on it, nothing to far from the original but fun. I played this really loud last night, on headphones, and am still grooving to it this morning. It was co-produced by Chris Bruce of Kadu Flyer and worthy of checking out if you don't know of them yet. They have a new cd in the coming, but just haven't finished it yet. Dane From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Fri Apr 25 10:56:44 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:56:44 EDT Subject: Off New Fish In-Reply-To: ; from "Dane Carlson" at Apr 25, 97 7:10 am Message-ID: >Forgive my doubts, but Fish has a long way to go to convince me to buy anything by him ever again. I enjoyed Wilderness of Mirrors and then thought he slid into a hole faster that you can say, "Marillion suck just as bad..." Having been a follower of Marillion, I thought when they split apart each side suffered. > >Fish would actually have to give his new album away as proof, here it's free, try it, I swear it's good. Ditto! I was disappointed by much of _Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors_, and enjoyed maybe 2-3 tracks from _Internal Exile_ (I liked the title song). The last straw :) was _Songs from the Mirror_. And after reading "A-return-to-excellence!" reviews of every release from the Marillion/Fish camps since _Holidays in Eden_ (none of which are worthy of sitting on the same shelf as _Misplaced Childhood_ or the other classics), I am skeptical. >ObCD: Spiral Realms - Trip to G9 Is this worth tracking down? I've got _Crystal Jungles of Eos_ and _Solar Wind_, which are both good, but maybe a little redundant. Any comments on _G9_? In your next message, you mention Architectural Metaphor. I got turned on to both bands, as well as Porcupine Tree, via the 3-CD set _Space Box - 1970 & Beyond: Space, Krautrock, & Acid Trips_ (phew!) that came out last year. Have you heard this? I can post a review if anyone is interested, but I suspect that it may be old territory. Lots of HW friends & relations on that set... MWood NP: _Aurum Nostrum_ - Sinkadus From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Apr 25 11:39:15 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 01:39:15 +1000 Subject: HW: Best books... Message-ID: Top a' the evenin' to you all! When I slapped on a HW album last night, I realized I often get the urge to pick up a good book whilst listening to the sonic waves. And there's only a certain number of times that I can reread the story that comes with the repackaged Space Ritual. So I though I'd make a little q here as to the books people read/think you should read whilst listening to the Hawks. Well, there's of course Moorcock. That's an obvious one. I've found recently that I like to pick up some of my old SF pulp books, like Analog. New Worlds is good (of course...), and older stuff in a similar vein. Authors like Brian Aldiss, etc. I'm not an SF fan, but it's often in a similar mood. Pulling out Timothy Leary's books, can be appropriate (when I'm in *that* kind of mood). Well, they're the ones that I can think of, off hand. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Apr 25 11:52:49 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 01:52:49 +1000 Subject: OFF: Kaleidoscope Eyes Message-ID: Hello to everyone again, Let me recommend to all of you out there of a good book that I picked up yesterday. It's called "kaleidoscope Eyes: Psychedelic Music from the 1960s to the 1990s", and it's by Jim Derogatis. It's quite a good read, dealing fairly quickly with most "psychedelic" bands, and others that I wouldn't call psychedelic. There's a several page section on Hawkwind, which classes it as part heavy metal (something I wouldn't agree with) with a few bits of information that are fairly common knowledge. He mentions BOC, only in passing, with a Don't Fear the Reaper comment. It has at least several pages on all of the major bands, and whole chapters on a couple, actually, only one that I can think of: Pink Floyd. Quite a good introduction to those I'm not familiar with, though. It's influenced me to go out and check out several other bands that it talks about, so can't be all that bad. This brings me to another question: are there any books about Hawkwind that are available at the moment (discounting the Griffin box set one, as that doesn't sound like a possibility). What are the various books like? What are they about? Anyway, there you have it. If I have offended, think but this, and all shall be mended, blah, blah, etc., etc.... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Apr 25 12:24:25 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:24:25 -0400 Subject: HW: Best books... In-Reply-To: <3360D023.5718@student.uq.edu.au> from "Max Wilcox" at Apr 26, 97 01:39:15 am Message-ID: Hello-- I'm afraid I can't read anything to music with vocals, so that leaves out a lot of Hawkwind. But if anyone wants to read a good novel, I highly recommend both _Slowness_ and _Immortality_ by Milan Kundera. Maybe you can read them to parts of _Electric Tepee_ and _It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous_. :-) Guido -- Why should all our actions be flipped in the skillet of reason like a crepe? --Milan Kundera From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Fri Apr 25 12:36:32 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:36:32 -0700 Subject: HW Books Message-ID: Kris Tait's Do Not Panic is excellent. It's pretty funny as well. One can't help but think of Spinal Tap at times. Lots of good stories here. Dane From uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU Fri Apr 25 17:37:27 1997 From: uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 01:37:27 +0400 Subject: HW: Yuri Message-ID: dat dere joe says... > > >for those of you who need to have *everything*, _Bring Me the Head..._ is > >out in DigiPak format. It's the first CD with the original geometry cover > [...SNIP...] > >...and yes, Yuri is much better than it's rumour (as a waste of plastic) - > > Okay, so it's not a waste of plastic. I have the Charly CD > with the wrong date (1976) on it. What else can I do with > it instead of letting it be a waste of plastic? I wonder why so many people on this list do dislike 'Yuri Gagarin' so much? I do agree that the sound quality is far from perfect (and yes, info on the above-mentioned Charly release is horrible - although I think its cover is much better than on original release), but it is the only record with very interesting poetry pieces (Gaga, In the Egg and Wage War) that I think are worth having for the real Hawkfan. Well, I have checked Codex and found that they were released also on Live '70/'73 (aka Welcome To The Future) and Early Daze, but none of them have full versions of all of them: In The Egg 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin 1 Early Daze 1 Live '70/'73 1 Welcome To The Future Gaga L 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 1 Early Daze Wage War 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin 1 a Live '70/'73 1 a Welcome To The Future (a) 1a is a cut version of 1 So? Yuri Elik, uriah at pop.convey.ru From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 25 19:04:41 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:04:41 PDT Subject: HW: Best books... Message-ID: >the books people read/think you should read whilst listening >to the Hawks. > Well, there's of course Moorcock. That's an obvious one. > I've found recently that I like to pick up some of my old SF pulp >books, like Analog. New Worlds is good (of course...), and older stuff >in a similar vein. Authors like Brian Aldiss, etc. I'm not an SF fan, >but it's often in a similar mood. I posted about a Brian Aldiss book about a month back, but nobody replied to it. It had a character named "Calvert Roberts" as the main protagonist. The novel was entitled "An Island Named Moreau" and was a sequel of sorts to Wells' book. ------------------------- Bryan Young blyoung at hotmail.com ------------------------- My Hawkwind website, recently updated! http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 ---------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Fri Apr 25 12:34:06 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:34:06 -0700 Subject: Off New Fish, Same sme Message-ID: >ObCD: Spiral Realms - Trip to G9 >Is this worth tracking down? As a Simon House fan, sure, it's great. Not much different here though, just nice swirly, enjoyable space. In fact I just noticed I was listening to Crystal Jungles of Eos and not Trip to G9, So there ya go. Both discs are so short, they fit well as a piece. maybe to new EBS release will lump it all into one package. >3-CD set _Space Box - 1970 & Beyond: Space, Krautrock, & >Acid Trips_ (phew!) that came out last year. Have you heard this? Yes, I got it. Dics 3 is definetly out there, a soundtrack to an acid trip if there ever was one. Also of worth on that box is the band F/i, need to find something by them. > NP: _Aurum Nostrum_ - Sinkadus Bastard. mine is collecting dust in Ranjit's warehouse (I usually buy direct from him, but he's been so busy...), I had visions of actually hearing it before Progfest (big whup), now I just don't know if I will get it in time. Dane ObCD: Faith & Disease - Live From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Apr 26 04:54:31 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 10:54:31 +0200 Subject: HW: Yuri Message-ID: At 01:37 1997-04-26 +0400, you wrote: >dat dere joe says... >> >> >for those of you who need to have *everything*, _Bring Me the Head..._ is >> >out in DigiPak format. It's the first CD with the original geometry cover >> [...SNIP...] >> >...and yes, Yuri is much better than it's rumour (as a waste of plastic) - >> >> Okay, so it's not a waste of plastic. I have the Charly CD >> with the wrong date (1976) on it. What else can I do with >> it instead of letting it be a waste of plastic? > >I wonder why so many people on this list do dislike 'Yuri Gagarin' so >much? I do agree that the sound quality is far from perfect (and yes, >info on the above-mentioned Charly release is horrible - although I >think its cover is much better than on original release), but it is the >only record with very interesting poetry pieces (Gaga, In the Egg and >Wage War) that I think are worth having for the real Hawkfan. Well, I >have checked Codex and found that they were released also on Live >'70/'73 (aka Welcome To The Future) and Early Daze, but none of them >have full versions of all of them: > >In The Egg > 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin > 1 Early Daze > 1 Live '70/'73 > 1 Welcome To The Future > >Gaga > L 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin > L 1 Early Daze > >Wage War > 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin > 1 a Live '70/'73 > 1 a Welcome To The Future > > (a) 1a is a cut version of 1 agree 100% to the words of mr Yuri himself _Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin_ + it's the *original* release. it is recorded from *one* show it was released at a time when the common hawkfan hadn't heard so much of the early 70:ies on vinyl yet. _Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin_ - poor sound quality (as many of the other unofficial live recordings from this era) the tracks has been recycled several times later (not Yuri Gagarin's fault, or..?) Questions to those of you who use to throw your Gagarin releases like a frisbee instead of playing it: 1) what do you think of _Text of Festival_, another *original* release in similar situation as _Yuri Gagarin_? 2) what do you think of compilations like _Live 70/73_, _Welcome to the Future_ and Early Daze, where nothing new is brought to you? A better buy than _Yuri Gagarin_..? More inspiring to listen to..? 3) if you had been on a hawkshow in London at the very day of 1973.05.27, wouldn't you like to have [parts of] that show in vinyl or cd format, no matter how the cover looked like, or how the sound quality was? (no, I wasn't...) >Yuri Elik, uriah at pop.convey.ru \\joe\proud_yuri_owner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sat Apr 26 05:44:25 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 10:44:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Yuri Message-ID: Joe said: > it's the *original* release. > it is recorded from *one* show > it was released at a time when the common hawkfan hadn't heard so much > of the early 70:ies on vinyl yet. I just love the version of Urban Gerilia. Especialy where Bob amkes a dostried noise into the micpohne. The quility is awful and some may say the band's playing but I like the sturecture of it and with good quility (and to plase some good night) it would be a good song. And as for Sonic attack. Can't say hat's rubbish becasue it's so much like the orginal. And yes I'll buy anything which incldues unrelaised hawkwind material so also like the unrelasied hawkwind stuff on it. And at least they give us the date of the concert, unlike Live 79, Stonehenge one, Buiness Trip and others offical realsied. >Questions to those of you who use to throw your Gagarin releases >like a frisbee instead of playing it: >1) what do you think of _Text of Festival_, > another *original* release in similar situation as _Yuri Gagarin_? I love Masters of the universe? Espally the talking in it. Any one know who is doing the talking? But I don't like Shouldn't do that (part 1). THe saxaphone is too much in one note/octive area. >2) what do you think of compilations like _Live 70/73_, _Welcome to the >Future_and Early Daze, where nothing new is brought to you? > A better buy than _Yuri Gagarin_..? More inspiring to listen to..? I broguht live 70/73 because I didn't have any of the tracks then but it's rubbish. And I obnly brought Masters of the universe becasue it was cehap and I couldn't see text of festival around then. I still havn't heard the rest of text of festivals but when I see an orginal copy I'll buy it. So I don't see the point of reissuing them unless of course one is out of print and the songs are unavaidable, but perpahs Hawkwind themsleves should issue them with better quility or issue simlar (I mean simlar period) 3) if you had been on a hawkshow in London at the very day of 1973.05.27, wouldn't you like to have [parts of] that show in vinyl or cd format, no matter how the cover looked like, or how the sound quality was? (no, I wasn't...) I want any hawkwind if I'm ever there. And I do like Space ritual Volume II. I like the sound of it as well. Complete songs. So if they issued the second side of the SR volume I with different tracks, what about the rest of it? Surely that must exist and shouldn't do that. If they got the osund from a tape then what about the rest of the tape. I especialy like the bit in Brainstorm where it changes key suddenly (towards the end). Sounds so good and I like the saxaphone in Seven by seven but it's not as good as the BBC 72 concert. That's the best I have. Timothy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sat Apr 26 05:46:21 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 10:46:21 +0100 Subject: 1970 footege Message-ID: Hi Does anyone know what's happening with the footege they found of a ahwwdin concert. Will any of it see the light of day (Reagrdless of wether we have sound or not.). I'd like to see it all unedited + or - sound and now come it got filmed and left for years with nothing being done with it? Timothy Langner From jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM Sat Apr 26 04:36:18 1997 From: jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM (Jill Douglas) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 09:36:18 +0100 Subject: Off New Fish Message-ID: Hi All The next Fish album (at present released in Japan, due for release in England 17th may) Sunsets on Empire is a world away from Vigil etc and of course absolutely NOTHING like Marillion. Give it a shot. It is produced and co written by Steve Wilson of Porcupine Tree and he is all over the album like a rash. Check out the Fish site (Wilderness of Mirrors) and the Delerium Records site (Porcupine Trees label) for freaky hippy trippy stuff. And listed to Signify if you haven't already. It is stunning. In Search of Jill Douglas r. an From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat Apr 26 10:01:38 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 15:01:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Yuri, Text of Festival and all that In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19970426105105.054f48ac@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: On Sat, 26 Apr 1997, \joe wrote: > 1) what do you think of _Text of Festival_, > another *original* release in similar situation as _Yuri Gagarin_? Well, I haven't heard Yuri yet, although I want to, but I did just recently get a copy of the Charly CD of `In The Beginning', which as I understand it is about three quarters of ToF. The quality is _appalling_, and I can see why it's last owner wanted rid of it, but the actual material is interesting. Some of it is even good, esp. the MotU, but parts are pretty bad. The Brock tracks `I do It' and `Came Home' are sorta cool, if you don't mind that they sound very like `Shouldn't do That'... Is Yuri in this league, or better? If it's fresh out I might be tempted - is this a remaster or a re-release? Yours all, Jazza /---------------------------------------------------\ | Spooky peanut terror bringing pain and death! | |===================================================| | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge CB2 1RF | | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | +___________________________________________________+ From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sat Apr 26 13:18:24 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 18:18:24 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind tour and EP Message-ID: Hi I'm quite exicted at the moemnt because hawkwind are playing in oxford (just happen to living here) so I'll be able to see them frothe frist time. And if lucky I might see them either in london or worhting oh and may be reading. So I'm quite excited. Also I thought hawkwind were going to be playing quite a few dates in America? OR have these still to be worked out? Finaly I was wondergni is it worth me paying L6.50 to get one fo the 500 promo editions of the new hwkwind single. Well it be worth a lot more inthe future or should I just get the standard issue. Timothy Langne (An excited fan) From AgentOF at AOL.COM Sat Apr 26 16:41:57 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 16:41:57 -0400 Subject: BOC: Born To Rock Message-ID: If any of you have a web page that can handle wav files, I will be glad to send you a copy of Born To Rock from the Atlanta Show for you to put on your BOC site:-). I also have an avi file (video) of Buck doing the Beatles tunes, but it is 158 MB for 4 minutes of Video (Although it IS excellent:-) chuck From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Sat Apr 26 20:44:01 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 20:44:01 -0400 Subject: HW: Updates/new ICU!!! Message-ID: an additional note regarding the New ICU cd release. in addition to the new area code, i incorrectly quoted mike coleman as to the price "he will give everyone a good price" not (as i had in error stated) to those who respond to that post sorry From gumby at PRIMENET.COM Sun Apr 27 03:57:30 1997 From: gumby at PRIMENET.COM (Thomas Nelson) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 00:57:30 -0700 Subject: off: new Fish? Message-ID: >Subject: Re: (with Steve Wilson of PTree) > >Hi All >Sunsets On Empire by Fish is released on 17th may in the UK. It was >released in Japan (with a bonus track) last week and Fish is at present >in Japan promoting it Is there a reason that Japan seems to be getting all of the new releases early? I know they received the new Daryl Hall album already. Also, the Ritchie Blackmore acoustic album is only listed as being released there (so far). Hmmmmm. I'd consider moving there, but their cost of living is astronomical. Oh well. Sayonara. The Gumby Man From gumby at PRIMENET.COM Sun Apr 27 03:57:37 1997 From: gumby at PRIMENET.COM (Thomas Nelson) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 00:57:37 -0700 Subject: OFF:Has this ever happend to You? -Reply Message-ID: > > >>>> "BREVARD Adrian R." 04/22/97 02:16pm >>> >Has this ever happened to you? According to a post at the Mindcage >Website some poor guy buys a copy of Images and Words by Dream Theater. >Opens it up and the cd is painted for DT but when he puts it in the >player its actually Pearl Jam. Poor guy. Any similar horror stories >out there? A friend of mine bought Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime. When he hit play, he was assaulted by the sounds of Richard Marx. Poor guy. He hasn't been the same since. The Gumby Man * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I will bow to the earth, bow to the sea, * Bow to the love between you and me, * Bow to the sun, bow to the land * but never to a god made in the image of man. * * New Model Army * * Thomas Nelson* * *The Gumby Man* * *gumby at primenet.com* * From jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM Sun Apr 27 08:38:43 1997 From: jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM (Jill Douglas) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 13:38:43 +0100 Subject: off: new Fish? Message-ID: Hi All! > Is there a reason that Japan seems to be getting all of the new releases early? Yes there is, Japan have a huge problem with bootlegers because they have no copyright laws surrounding imports, so artists have to release the albums there first to have any hope of sales. All the best Jill Douglas From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Sun Apr 27 12:33:12 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 11:33:12 -0500 Subject: HW: The cwazy world of Arthur Brown Message-ID: I was looking of the aforementioned artist when I stumbled upon the following: Brown continued to tour and record throughout the Seventies, appearing briefly in Tommy, and turning in guest studio performances with Cat Stevens, Alan Parsons, and Hawkwind. What did track/LP did he guest spot for Hawkwind? A rather interesting combination it is Jason From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sun Apr 27 12:45:23 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:45:23 +0100 Subject: HW: The cwazy world of Arthur Brown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Apr 1997, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > I was looking of the aforementioned artist when I stumbled upon the following: > > Brown continued to tour and record throughout the Seventies, appearing > briefly in Tommy, and > turning in guest studio performances with Cat Stevens, Alan Parsons, and > Hawkwind. > > What did track/LP did he guest spot for Hawkwind? A rather interesting > combination it is Well, I don't know about Hawkwind, but he sang the part of the Gremlin on Robert Calvert's `Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters', which is almost the same thing as Hawkwind considering the people involved. Possibly your source wasn't being too specific? Yours, Jazza P.S. He's a damn good gremlin. Even more psyched-out than Bob, which is no mean feat. /---------------------------------------------------\ | Spooky peanut terror bringing pain and death! | |===================================================| | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge CB2 1RF | | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | +___________________________________________________+ From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sun Apr 27 20:50:22 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 01:50:22 +0100 Subject: HW: The cwazy world of Arthur Brown Message-ID: Jason said: >I was looking of the aforementioned artist when I stumbled upon the >following: > >Brown continued to tour and record throughout the Seventies, appearing >briefly in Tommy, and turning in guest studio performances with Cat Stevens, >Alan Parsons, and Hawkwind. > >What did track/LP did he guest spot for Hawkwind? A rather interesting >combination it is He also appaered on a curse tour sharing the bill with Mungo Jerry. He was recently mentioned on talk radio (in uk) when Mungo jerry was in and then someone phoned in to say eh was touring with ahawkind laster this year. To my surprsie the presenter actualy rmebered ahwkwind ahving 2 drumers inte h70s. I didn't think many people would know this, late alone know any one else other than lemmy/Brock (them being the ones who hae done most famous stuff over the years for longest IMHO. Not asying others are worse/better, just less famous). Timothy Fintan Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com "I like all music, if pigs fly, but check out Quo, Hawkwind, Blues" (Timmy) *************TUNE IN FOR BIGGEST THING SINCE RADIO FRIST STARTED************* * Oxygen 107.9 - A shake up in broadcasting has just happened thanks to us. * ***************************************************************************** * Talk Radio - That's what I said: Talk Radio so Free call 0500 105389. * * For those of you how don't live in oxford it's the next best thing. * *You were once a kid and you must remeber Tommy boyd so check out from 2-4pm* ***************************************************************************** From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Apr 27 16:29:08 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:29:08 UT Subject: HW: Yuri Message-ID: >_Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin_ + > > it's the *original* release. > it is recorded from *one* show > it was released at a time when the common hawkfan hadn't heard so much > of the early 70:ies on vinyl yet. Well, I bought it on the initial vinyl release. I think I may have played it all the way through once. I can't believe anyone can seriously defend it, on any grounds, really. >1) what do you think of _Text of Festival_, > another *original* release in similar situation as _Yuri Gagarin_? Well even _Yuri_ wasn't as disillusioning as getting _In the Beginning_ and finding (when I got it home) that I already had it. That was a really cynical move on someone's part, and that's when I stopped buying "unofficial" HW items. Such as: >2) what do you think of compilations like _Live 70/73_, _Welcome to the Future_ > and Early Daze, where nothing new is brought to you? > A better buy than _Yuri Gagarin_..? More inspiring to listen to..? Well, my viewpoint is that they're obviously a waste of money (unless you're into collecting, I guess). (I always thought _Ridicule_ was called that, because someone was taking the piss :) >3) if you had been on a hawkshow in London at the very day of 1973.05.27, > wouldn't you like to have [parts of] that show in vinyl or cd format, > no matter how the cover looked like, or how the sound quality was? Well... I've been to a lot of fine gigs in my time, by lots of bands, and I treasure the memories of them, but I don't feel any desire to "possess" them by having a recording of them. You can never go back. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM Sun Apr 27 16:00:30 1997 From: jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM (Jill Douglas) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:00:30 +0100 Subject: HW: The cwazy world of Arthur Brown Message-ID: Hi All! Arthur Brown guested on stage when Amon Duul played the Shepherds Bush Empire last year. Porcupine Tree were supporting AD. I was in the pit taking pics but sadly was chucked out before Arthur came on, shame because I would have loved to photograph him not least because he and I come from the same town. He was leaping obout the stage like a twenty year old. What is he on? Can I have some?!! Jill Douglas From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Mon Apr 28 04:40:45 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 01:40:45 -0700 Subject: HW: Poem Message-ID: Okay, I'm drunk, I will admit that first, and ya'll can fire cheese and flames on me, if ye wish, or oust me from the ranks, but listening to Stasis and Turner stuff tonight (Brainbox Pollution and Opa-Loka 2000), I had a poem and I wanted to share and certainly these are the only people who could appreciate it (or ridicule it) in the slightest, so... I'm sure I'll regret this tomorrow. Nik Turner on a mountain with his elbows to the wind piping on his blasphemous sax rejected by the Gods This is a vision of Space Rock, Natch, and it sustains me, and, by the way, this is the only thing that was as impossible as the Giant Moon one night, Nik's Henchment firing off potent illusions, unlikelihoods of sound, "returning volumes of sound", like those bouncing off of the nearest mountain side, brown and harboring crystals indifferent to the sky, The Space might never hear Hawkwind's heartfelt, but possibly misfired, lament for it Charlie From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 28 10:41:49 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:41:49 BST Subject: HW: Best books... In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's message of Sat, 26 Apr 1997 01:39:15 +1000 Message-ID: Max Wilcox writes: > So I though I'd make a little q here as to the books people read/think > you should read whilst listening to the Hawks. Moorcock's stuff can be taken as, errr, read. "The Electric Cool-Aid Acid Test" fit pretty well as I remember. Most of Zelazny's stuff is pretty good too. P.J. O'Rourke's "Parliament of Whores" could have been inspired by the Psychedelic Warlords track but readers should be warned that it is likely to induce severe guffaws. Some of the better Space Opera genre certainly fit well with much of the output as does some of the harder stuff by Ben Bova and Paul Preuss. P.S. Has anyone read 3001 yet? Any reviews? FoFP From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 28 06:16:00 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:16:00 +0100 Subject: Space Ritual Beef Message-ID: This struck me as being a wasted opportunity when the remastered Space Ritual came out: If you listen to the LP or the One Way Records CD, as Electonic No. 1 fades out, you clearly hear the riff of Orgone Accumulater crashing in. Its a great entry for a great riff. However, turn over the LP and you have to put up with this riff fading up. The first CD release does the same. Space Ritual Vol.2 version starts with the guitar at full whack and makes ammends for this so when the remastered SR came out, I was hoping against hope that this fade up problem would be solved and Orgone would crash in as it should. But nope, it doesn`t. I don`t know the condition/situation of the original tapes used for the remastered version but can anyone point out why it wasn`t possible to bring in Orgone with a bang? The impact of that riff is one of the best moments in the Ritual. -- Mark Edmonds From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 28 06:08:19 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:08:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Yuri In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Andrew Gilham writes >Well, my viewpoint is that they're obviously a waste of money (unless you're >into collecting, I guess). (I always thought _Ridicule_ was called that, >because someone was taking the piss :) Surely this is absolutely correct! I still was a dumb schmuck and bought it although having found out what it was, it promptly developed a strange scratch and went back for a refund! -- Mark Edmonds From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Apr 28 06:59:44 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 06:59:44 -0400 Subject: Poem Message-ID: well, i didnt hate it. ;) BTW- what kind of alcohol? seems like it must be a very special brew... rj > Nik Turner on a mountain > with his elbows to the wind > piping on his blasphemous sax > rejected by the Gods > This is a vision of Space Rock, > Natch, and it sustains me, > and, by the way, this is the > only thing that was as impossible > as the Giant Moon one night, > Nik's Henchment firing off > potent illusions, unlikelihoods of > sound, "returning volumes of > sound", like those bouncing off of > the nearest mountain side, brown > and harboring crystals indifferent to > the sky, > The Space might never hear > Hawkwind's heartfelt, but > possibly misfired, lament for it > > > > Charlie From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Mon Apr 28 08:08:23 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:08:23 +1000 Subject: Poem Message-ID: Ah, this is no poem!! This is a revelation!! You have had a vision of god! On a mountain no less!! Troy : > >> Nik Turner on a mountain >> with his elbows to the wind >> piping on his blasphemous sax >> rejected by the Gods >> This is a vision of Space Rock, >> Natch, and it sustains me, >> and, by the way, this is the >> only thing that was as impossible >> as the Giant Moon one night, >> Nik's Henchment firing off >> potent illusions, unlikelihoods of >> sound, "returning volumes of >> sound", like those bouncing off of >> the nearest mountain side, brown >> and harboring crystals indifferent to >> the sky, >> The Space might never hear >> Hawkwind's heartfelt, but >> possibly misfired, lament for it >> >> >> >> Charlie > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Apr 27 12:54:46 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 16:54:46 UT Subject: The cwazy world of Arthur Brown Message-ID: Isn't he on _Captain Lockheed_? He also did a pretty amazing guest spot with Amon Duul 2 at their last London show. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Apr 28 08:53:00 1997 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:53:00 EDT Subject: OFF: Architectural Metaphor Message-ID: >Floydian guitar, Tangerine Dreamy synths. Drifty guitar laden, keyboard heavy >space rock. Like Melting Euphoria but better, more interesting. >They have a new cd in the coming, but just haven't finished it yet. Just saw Arc Met about 2 weeks ago; the guitar was more prominent than usual and Greg was cooking with it. They did a brand new never performed song called "Lost Empire" that the initial guitar riff was very evocative of "Set the Controls". Songs averaged about 11 minutes long. If the gig is any indication of how the new CD will sound, it will be something to look for. They had an early Floydian tinge to all the songs. The new CD is done and should be released shortly, the hitch is it is on an Italian label and probably will have limited US availability. The Arc Met fan club hopes to do a mail order offering. They have a version of "Golden Void" on this one and "Creature", which when done live ends with "Welcome to the Future". The CD excludes an excellent song called "Perenderin" that Paul made some pointed comments about the omission. It is a great song and I don't understand why it was left off - nicely drifty with tantalizing percussion effects. Rudy From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Apr 27 16:21:13 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:21:13 UT Subject: HW: Books Message-ID: I'll recommend Deke Leonard (of Man)'s memoirs, _Rhinos, Winos, and Lunatics_ at this point. Read the Paris story from Martin Ace's point of view! Read about Man touring America with Blue Oyster Cult and REO Speedwagon! Read about Man blowing Hawkwind's float money on prostitutes in Memphis! - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 28 16:14:24 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:14:24 BST Subject: HW: Best books... In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:41:49 BST Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > Max Wilcox writes: > > > So I though I'd make a little q here as to the books people read/think > > you should read whilst listening to the Hawks. I can't read anything while listening to Hawkwind - no matter how relevant. Concentrating on one blocks out the other. On the verso though, watching TV with the sound turned down while listening to Hawkwind can be entertaining. > P.S. Has anyone read 3001 yet? Any reviews? It rates a mention in Scientific American but no review yet. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM Mon Apr 28 11:52:39 1997 From: Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Star Rats) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:52:39 -0500 Subject: Space Ritual Beef In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I don`t know the condition/situation of the original tapes used for the >remastered version but can anyone point out why it wasn`t possible to >bring in Orgone with a bang? The impact of that riff is one of the best >moments in the Ritual. I'm in a good position to answer this for you because I was at Abbey Road when this was being done and contributed to the re-mastered version. Here's the deal: The original 2 track stereo master tape that was used to reproduce the final version of the Space Ritual was intact and in great shape. The trouble is that the way you hear the original version is how the master actually sounds i.e., with fade-ins and fade-outs. This is because of having to split the soundtrack up into 4 sides. If the concert was to be avaialable in its entirity, you would have to go back to the original 24 track, unmixed tapes and re-mix the entire concert again. There is no way on earth that you would end up with the same mix/sound/feel of the original Space Ritual. The original Space Ritual has such an amazing sound, it'd be a shame to put that in jeopardy. If anyone has ever done any mixing, they will know what I mean. Now, the original mixdown at Abbey Road was played to me via a CDr when I was home in the UK by Nigel Reeve (the guy that got these re-masters on the shelfand who deserves tons of credit). The engineer at Abbey Road (not Peter Mew) could not get a good fade-in between the two tracks in question and said that the songs were at different speeds and in different keys because they were from two different nights. I couldn't see this myself and went to my local studio with some tapes I'd made to proove that it could be done. I played the results to Nigel who got EMI to agree to paying another 500 pounds for another re-mix and to cut another CD-r (and that wasn't easy either). I got to be in attendance at Abbey Road when Peter Mew was dumping all the albums onto the hard drive and he sorted out the fade-in and fade-out quite easily. Whilst I think it's still about 2/100th second off what I had in mind, it's far, far, far better than what was originally done. The other fade-ins worked pretty well and are, for the most part, seamless. Electronic No.1 and Orgone Accumulator were the only ones that caused problems (listen to the fade in of 'Shouldn't Do That'). So that's the story. Star Rats From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Apr 28 12:44:31 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:44:31 -0600 Subject: OFF:Has this ever happend to You? -Reply /Summer of Loud Message-ID: > >>Has this ever happened to you? According to a post at the Mindcage >>Website some poor guy buys a copy of Images and Words by Dream Theater. >>Opens it up and the cd is painted for DT but when he puts it in the player >>its actually Pearl Jam. Poor guy. Any similar horror stories >out there? > > TGM>"A friend of mine bought Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime. When he >hit play, he was assaulted by the sounds of Richard Marx. > >Poor guy. He hasn't been the same since." > Gumby Man, I think thus far you are the hands down winner for horror stories. Nothing against Richard Marx but I would have been clobbered by this too. BTW the prize is a Loudness cd, On The Prowl. Never too late to enter folks but it closes May 2. BTW the Guitar World issue with the Summer Daze article is calling this concert season the Summer of Loud or some such. Lots of Heavy Metal/Cruncher acts out there. Some hope yet for the future of Rock and Roll. Has anybody seen the Rolling Stone top 200 albums list yet? Local DJ said that the Rolling Stones lead eveybody by placing six albums in the list. Bet no mention of the local hero's of this list. Shame. >L8er > >lil' ab > >"One step closer to the promise land your mind's a liar again" > >ob cd - Steve Morse Band, Stressfest From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Mon Apr 28 12:50:38 1997 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:50:38 -0400 Subject: BOC: Albany 7-18-96 Message-ID: At a recent record convention here in town, I found a video of Blue Oyster Cult in Albany NY 7-18-96. It's amatuer video, but the guy did a pretty good job of camera work, and the neat thing is he was in the front row. (At one point a security guy starts to hassle him until another guard comes over and tells the first guy it's OK.) It's a weird show in that the band is on a portable stage in what appears to be town square. (You can see cars passing by, and Eric introduces "Last Days Of May" with a reference to be in the shadow of the state Capitol.) It's late afternoon, so although a few shots show the colored lights are blinking on and off, there's not much of a light show. (-8) The band is in good form, and the probable rarity is "Dr. Music." The guy who played harmonica on the album was in town playing with Willie Nelson, so he joins the band for an extended workout. Eric quips "We only play that one every fifteen years or so when he's in town." John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Mon Apr 28 15:11:32 1997 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:11:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind labor day weekend???? Message-ID: Hi, I found this posted in rec.music.progressive has any one heard any more about this? (snip) >don't know about progday on laborday weekend?? > >but there is a space rock festival, scheduled for 8/30(labor day weekend) >in upstate NY around Jamestown.... more details to follow... > >HAWKWIND is headlining... >with >quarkspace >and probably >Alien Planetscapes >F/I >Red Giant >Nucleon.... and more!! > >etc.... > >mark your calendars.... > > >Dedicated to bringing freaky music, free of commercial influence, to the >ears of listeners across the world. Featuring the progressive, eclectic >sounds of quarkspace and National Steam. Email us at EJestRecs at AOL.COM for >a free sample tape! SUPPORT INDEPENDENT MUSIC!!! > quarkspace debut cd out now!!!! >Eternity's Jest Records, Inc., 1487 W. Fifth Ave #212, Columbus OH 43212, USA >http://users.aol.com/ejestrecs > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy, hawkwind at interaccess.com http://homepage.interaccess.com/~hawkwind/universe.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Apr 28 15:57:10 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:57:10 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind labor day weekend???? Message-ID: as i've heard it, it is being sponsored by doug smith of alien planetscapes. last i heard, hawkwind was a dream, fi was a maybe, and i think porcupine tree was a hope. rj > > I found this posted in rec.music.progressive has any one heard any more > about this? > > (snip) > >don't know about progday on laborday weekend?? > > > >but there is a space rock festival, scheduled for 8/30(labor day weekend) > >in upstate NY around Jamestown.... more details to follow... > > > >HAWKWIND is headlining... > >with > >quarkspace > >and probably > >Alien Planetscapes > >F/I > >Red Giant > >Nucleon.... and more!! > > > >etc.... Its no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society. krishnamarti ~~~~~~~~~~~ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Apr 28 16:11:23 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:11:23 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind labor day weekend???? Message-ID: Hello... Well, I went to the Quarkspace show here in Columbus last Saturday night, where the Cleveland light show gang had come down (Scotty and the Bros. Lascko, Jim and Jerry), and spoke with each. Yes, indeed, this is a planned event, but I gather that not all was final (surely, not a surprise to anyone). Even though I won't be around to attend, I do hope it happens. This sort of event doesn't happen too often (or ever?) in the U.S. BTW, the Quarkspace gig was quite good...it's nice to have a local band play in the spacerock vein, even if they only perform on rare occasions. >I found this posted in rec.music.progressive has any one heard any more >about this? > >(snip) >>don't know about progday on laborday weekend?? >> >>but there is a space rock festival, scheduled for 8/30(labor day weekend) >>in upstate NY around Jamestown.... more details to follow... >> >>HAWKWIND is headlining... >>with >>quarkspace >>and probably >>Alien Planetscapes >>F/I >>Red Giant >>Nucleon.... and more!! >> >>etc.... >> >>Dedicated to bringing freaky music, free of commercial influence, to the >>ears of listeners across the world. Featuring the progressive, eclectic >>sounds of quarkspace and National Steam. Email us at EJestRecs at AOL.COM for >>a free sample tape! SUPPORT INDEPENDENT MUSIC!!! >>quarkspace debut cd out now!!!! >>Eternity's Jest Records, Inc., 1487 W. Fifth Ave #212, Columbus OH 43212, USA >>http://users.aol.com/ejestrecs Keith H. (FAA) ObCassette: Steam Dream 1 - National Steam (available for $4 I think at the address/webpage listed here). Very nice improv/ambient pieces by Quarkspace musicnauts. From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon Apr 28 15:25:06 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:25:06 -0700 Subject: OFF-Has this ever happe Message-ID: TGM>"A friend of mine bought Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime. When he >hit play, he was assaulted by the sounds of Richard Marx. ouch! Sorry but that would have caused me much grief. Dane From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Apr 28 16:40:32 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:40:32 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind labor day weekend???? Message-ID: Not to nitpick or anything, but... >as i've heard it, it is being sponsored by doug smith of alien >planetscapes. last i heard, hawkwind was a dream, fi was a maybe, and i think >porcupine tree was a hope. >rj I think that should probably read 'sax/flute/keyboardist extraordinaire' Doug Walker, as opposed to the infamous Doug Smiff. Keith H. (FAA) From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Apr 28 16:47:35 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:47:35 -0500 Subject: off: new Fish? In-Reply-To: <336348D3.1D90@rockshot.u-net.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Apr 1997, Jill Douglas wrote: > > Is there a reason that Japan seems to be getting all of the new > > releases early? > Yes there is, Japan have a huge problem with bootlegers because they > have no copyright laws surrounding imports, so artists have to release > the albums there first to have any hope of sales. Japan gets albums first also because albums domestically produced are more expensive than imports (imagine that) in Japan. [Recall that Tokyo is the most expensive city in the world.] So Japanese record producers have to release stuff in advance just to stay in business. Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Apr 28 16:55:26 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:55:26 -0500 Subject: OFF:Has this ever happend to You? In-Reply-To: <199704270757.AAA04820@primenet.com> Message-ID: My brother once bought a Smashing Pumpkins CD only to end up with Erasure's "POP 20 Hits". Damon From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Apr 28 17:53:28 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:53:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: (fwd) Chapman Stick(r) Sues Warr Guitars & Players Message-ID: Apologies for 1) the length of this post, 2) the off-topicness of the post, and 3) redundancy for those of you who read the progressive newsgroups. But the post does have its (indirect) connections to HW, so I think you might forgive me. :-) Damon ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: tihai at aol.com (Tihai) Newsgroups: alt.music.genesis Subject: CHAPMAN STICK(r) SUES WARR GUITARS & PLAYERS, HELP!!! Date: 28 Apr 1997 08:12:29 GMT Please direct all your questions to: Warrfund at aol.com *********************************** The Warr Guitar Defense Fund Hello, We would like to introduce ourselves to you for your consideration. We are the Warr Guitar Defense Fund Committee. We exist solely to help Warr Guitars and other individuals in their defense efforts against (what is in our opinion) a cruel and frivolous lawsuit mounted by Emmett Chapman, Yuta Chapman, and Stick Enterprises, Inc. It appears to us that the purpose of this lawsuit is to drive Warr Guitars out of business and financially destroy each of the defendants. As we all know, in the United States, if you are sued for any reason, you must defend yourself. In lawsuits such as this one, a defense requires substantial expenditures of time and money, even if the claims made against you are frivolous. Many people bow under the pressure and allow a judgment against them even in the face of no viable evidence. Needless to say, that is the concern of those of us on the defense committee. It is important that the truth of all of Emmett's claims be held up to the light of day. Individuals named in the lawsuit are as follows: Mark Warr, Frank Jolliffe, Traktor Topaz, Kyle Wohlmut and Trey Gunn. Over the past eight months, the served defendants have had to spend a combined $83,000 in attorneys' fees and costs. Mark Warr has himself spent $40,000. In addition, Mark has undertaken much of the burden in time reviewing documents and assisting in the preparation of his defense. (One can only imagine how such a financial and emotional burden can affect your life.) Everyone targeted by Emmett and Yuta Chapman have been taxed to their limit. Their lives are being upended for doing nothing wrong, illegal or unprofessional. On the contrary, they are being punished for helping to bring into the world musical instruments of unparalleled quality. And for that feat, they must fend off an attacker who it appears cannot handle competition. Mark Warr has created an array of instruments: guitars, basses, and touchstyle, that are on a world class level of quality and professionalism. Frank Jolliffe is a highly respected Jazz Touchstyle performer, publisher and teacher both in the United States and Europe. Traktor Topaz is an innovative retailer of musical instruments who includes touchstyle instruments in his repertoire and is an international publisher. Kyle Wohlmut is a Web page designer and works for Stanford University in the Department of Linguistics. Trey Gunn (to date named, but not served) is one of the leading touchstyle musicians and performers in the world. He is a full time member of the legendary group King Crimson. Unfortunately for all of the defendants, it appears that Emmett Chapman feels threatened by their participation in the music business. His lawsuit alleges that all of them are co-conspirators in an effort to defame Stick Enterprises and interfere with the plaintiffs' business contacts. It seems especially obvious that Mr. And Mrs. Chapman are threatened by the existence of the touchstyle model of the Warr Guitar and the international acclaim Mark Warr has received from it. Our committee sees the sheer expense of responding to the suit has had a very negative emotional and financial impact on Mark Warr and all of the defendants involved. It is, therefore, our intention to stand up and support Mark, Frank, Traktor and Kyle against what appears to be Emmett Chapman's bullying tactics. We are asking you to contribute anything you can financially to our effort. Our goal is to raise $50,000. This contribution will take an enormous burden off the defendants and ensure that they will be able to respond to plaintiffs' allegations and bring the truth before the court. We cannot allow Emmett Chapman to win by default because Mark, Frank, Traktor, and Kyle are financially unable to proceed. If you cannot contribute much now, we nevertheless encourage you to send a smaller amount for three to six months. The litigation will probably take another one to two years. If you can help promote or create defense fund activities toward our cause, the Defense Committee and all the defendants would be grateful Enclosed in this mailing is a list of the charges made by Emmett and Yuta Chapman and an explanation of why we believe these charges are baseless. We have setup a Warr Guitar Defense account to which you can send checks or money orders. We want to reach our goal and, needless to say, it is our goal to fund the defense within a relatively short period of time (three to six months). Please send questions to our email address: Warrfund at aol.com Please send checks or money orders to our mailing address: The Kerry, Garcia and Lewis Clients' Trust Fund 320 Golden Shore, Suite 480 Long Beach, CA. 90802-4200 Please make out your checks payable to "The Kerry, Garcia and Lewis Clients' Trust Account". In the memo portion of the check, please write "Warr Defense Fund". When your donations are received, the law firm will send you a confirming letter with a copy to all defendants and the committee. All donations will be kept separate from any other funds and will be controlled by the Warr Defense Fund Committee. We will endeavor to administer the funds in the fairest way possible for all parties concerned. Warr Guitars has given the world unique musical instruments of the highest quality. We must help Mark Warr and the others in their defense of what we believe to be a meritless and malicious lawsuit. Thank you in advance for any help you can give us. We will keep you informed of our progress. The Warr Guitar Defense Committee: Ray Ashley Teed Rockwell Valerie Walker Dave Mercado Daniel Bortz Massimo Sinceri Jim Wright Dave Bunker Jimmy Smith Doug Masla Paul Edwards Chuck Soupios Joanna Mercado Nik Green Nick Marshall Randy Strom Diana Stork James Fanning Wade Preston Frank Paul Kuno Wagner Penny Little The Warr Guitar Defense Committee is made up of professional musicians who make their living with Mark's instruments and other professionals in the industry including Chapman Stick players who are appalled by this law suit against Mark Warr and the others. Jim Wright and The Away Team perform and record on the Warr Guitar in the Southern California area. Paul Edwards and Daniel Bortz have the world class group Kittyhawk. Dave Bunker, besides Jimmy Webster, is one of the earliest known touchstyle players and inventors in the world. His first patent for a touchstyle instrument was granted in 1962. Chuck Soupios invented and got his first patent for the innovative BiAxe modular touchstyle instrument in 1980. Massimo Sinceri and Kuno Wagner are innovative Warr Guitar performers in Italy and Germany respectively. **************************************************** Please seriously consider a donation to this fund. Any amount will help, no matter how small. Some people have sent in $20. Another several people have sent in $1000. Eveything helps. Without your donation, the risk of default is high. ***************************** The allegations: 1. Libel Plaintiff's claim the Mark Warr's electronic posting of June 20, 1995, suggests that "the truss rod used by Stick(r) to stabilize the neck of their instruments is faulty and inadequate." This is a complete misrepresentation of what Mr. Warr said. Mr. Warr in no way criticized Chapman's product. Rather, he was discussing whether modifications could be made to the Stick with heavy gauge strings, and whether one truss rod was sufficient for such modifications if certain heavy gauge strings were used. Mark Warr further stated, "I'm not saying that Emmett's construction style is bad, just different and valid." There is no evidence Mark Warr published anything libelous about Emmett, Yuta, or their business. 2. Slander There is no evidence that Mark Warr ever uttered a slanderous statement against plaintiffs. At this point, the only statements which plaintiffs have alleged are slanderous were made by Randy Strom and Traktor Topaz (analysis of those alleged statements does not constitute slander or any other type of defamation.) There is no evidence that Traktor Topaz or Randy Strom were agents or employees of Mark Warr or that any deprecating remarks were made by these people at Mark Warr's direction. Further, no admissible evidence of any actionable remarks by anyone has been offered. Steven Curl's declaration admits that he cannot remember exactly what he heard; Gregory Howard, in his declaration, does not quote any remark which is defamatory. 3. Inducing Breach of Contract Plaintiffs have offered no evidence that Mark Warr induced anyone to breach of contract with plaintiffs. Yuta Chapman's unsubstantiated hunch, "we know of at least two sales placed with us that were canceled after they were placed in order to purchase Warr Guitars." is plainly erroneous. The two people she identifies, Steve Grant and Jim Logan, both deny in writing that Mark Warr interfered in any way with any contract they had with the Chapmans. In fact, they had never heard of Warr Guitars until Yuta Chapman started bad-mouthing Mark Warr and Warr Guitars to them. Further, there is no evidence that defendant Mark Warr has ever had access to plaintiffs' mailing list. 4. Intentional Interference with Prospective Economic Advantage One of the elements of this tort is that the defendant must do something unlawful in interfering in the relationship between plaintiffs and their customers. A thorough review of all 1,500 pages of documents reveals that there is absolutely no evidence of any unlawful act by Mark Warr. 5. Negligent Interference with Prospective Economic Advantage As with the previous cause of action, there is absolutely no evidence that Mark Warr breached any enforceable duty of care against plaintiffs, or committed an unlawful act. 6. Fraud Plaintiffs have not even attempted to offer any evidence supporting a cause of action for fraud against Mark Warr or any other defendant. 7. Trade Secret Misappropriation There is no evidence that Mark Warr or any other defendant misappropriated or ever had access to plaintiffs' mailing list or any other trade secret. There is merely a suspicion that Frank Jolliffe may have had a partial list of customers ten to twelve years ago and may have given it to Mark Warr. 8. Unfair Trade Practices Plaintiffs allege that defendants violated Business and Professions Code 17045 which prohibits secret rebates and refunds. There is no evidence supporting this allegation. There is also no evidence that defendant misused plaintiffs' registered trademark. Even if Mark Warr could be accused of publishing misleading advertisements under Business and Professions code 17203, plaintiff's only remedy is an injunction. An injunction is not available for the past misconduct that is not ongoing. The alleged misleading advertisement is one by Mark Warr which stated "Attention Chapman Stick(r) players.... 9. Conspiracy Although there is no conspiracy cause of action, plaintiffs' claim that defendants are somehow involved in a conspiracy pervades the entire complaint. There is no evidence of any conspiracy. From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Apr 28 18:23:12 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:23:12 -0600 Subject: Albuquerque, 4-15-97 Review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: BOC-L Folks, BLUE OYSTER CULT Midnight Rodeo, Albuquerque, NM April 15th, 1997 Setlist; Stairway Before the Kiss ETI Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie The Vigil Live for Me Last Days Of May Cites On Flame In Thee Burnin' 'Zilla The Reaper Golden Age Red & Black Basically, BOC STILL kick ass!!! Even with the condition of Eric's voice, the band as a whole played tight, energetic and very enthusiastic. Buck was riding high on the heels of his solo shows in Atlanta, and his solo for Last Days Of May was, to say the least, breath-taking!! Eric's voice still does not sound completely "recovered", but he played a solid rhy. guitar & keyboards. He acted more like an M.C., as he introduced most of the songs and did most of the between song chatter. Allen seemed to be having a good time and actually smiled throughout the show. He had an impressive guitar solo before In Thee. Danny keeps living out his rock n' roll fantasy, and I actually like B. Rodenelli's aggressive style of playing the drums. After the show, Buck came out and recognized Jean & I and even gave her (Jean) a kiss and a warm hug. Buck is truly a VERY NICE person in add- ition to being one of the greatest guitarists in the world. Eric was very warm and funny, then mentioned that he was only able to get on the monthly chat line for about 5 min. All in all, BOC STILL ROCK BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE CAN!!!!!! The funny thing is that I don't listen to too muck R&R. I prefer Spanish, TexMex, Oldies, and blues, but BOC keep my rock flame burnin'!!!! God bless.... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Apr 28 18:32:52 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:32:52 -0600 Subject: BOC; COLO SPRINGS Review. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi again; So we drove up to Colo Springs for six hrs for another dose of BOC. The set was the same, except that they added O.D.ed on Life and did not delete any other songs. O.D.ed was sandwiched between Last Days Of May and Cites. The venue was called Tonie's, which is basically a hole in the wall pool hall. Yet Tonie's was sold out and once again the show was awesome. We had the pleasure of meeting Tom (Abacus)from Denver, who is on BOC-L & Sabbath mailing list (hey!!!). Once again spent some time with Buck who was amazed that we drove 350 miles just for the show. Jean insured him that he did not have to get a restraining order on us. Next time we go to a BOC show will "tentavely" be on 7-01 in Farmington, NM. For those of you who have not heard, the Summerdaze show in Phoenix on 6-29 has been cancelled. God bless.... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 28 21:09:34 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:09:34 PDT Subject: HW: Best books... Message-ID: > >I can't read anything while listening to Hawkwind - no matter how >relevant. Concentrating on one blocks out the other. On the verso >though, watching TV with the sound turned down while listening to >Hawkwind can be entertaining. Did you ever see that episode of the "Young Ones" where the long-haired guy (can't remember his name) notices that the TV has gone off the air (static) and thinks it is a Hawkwind video? When you're chemically invigorated, Hawkwind can even make a snowy screen of static look like an awesome video! ------------------------- Bryan Young blyoung at hotmail.com ------------------------- My Hawkwind website, recently updated! http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 ---------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Apr 28 23:11:34 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:11:34 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind labor day weekend???? Message-ID: No, by all means nitpick away. I can't believe i typed that. I do know the difference, we exchange xmas cards and stuff. Now i have to go type his name 500 times. Doug Walker Doug Walker Doug Walker.... rj Its no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society. krishnamarti > Not to nitpick or anything, but... > > >as i've heard it, it is being sponsored by doug smith of alien > >planetscapes. last i heard, hawkwind was a dream, fi was a maybe, and i > think >porcupine tree was a hope. > >rj > > I think that should probably read 'sax/flute/keyboardist extraordinaire' > Doug Walker, as opposed to the infamous Doug Smiff. > > Keith H. (FAA) From ianfines at JUNO.COM Mon Apr 28 23:36:06 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:36:06 EDT Subject: HW: Books Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:21:13 UT Andrew Gilham writes: >I'll recommend Deke Leonard (of Man)'s memoirs, _Rhinos, Winos, and >Lunatics_ >at this point. Read the Paris story from Martin Ace's point of view! >Read >about Man touring America with Blue Oyster Cult and REO Speedwagon! >Read >about Man blowing Hawkwind's float money on prostitutes in Memphis! > >- Andy where does one obtain a copy of this book? From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Apr 28 02:19:25 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:19:25 +1000 Subject: Poem Message-ID: Ron Jennings wrote: > > well, i didnt hate it. ;) They could have been words spoken from my very soul. > BTW- what kind of alcohol? seems like it must be a very special brew... > rj Absinthe? - Max Wilcox From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Apr 28 02:20:37 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:20:37 +1000 Subject: The cwazy world of Arthur Brown Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > Isn't he on _Captain Lockheed_? And he even dances like a "Gremlin". <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Apr 28 02:35:28 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:35:28 +1000 Subject: OFF: Comic Strip Message-ID: A good day (or good night, if it is the case) to all, This may be a slightly off-topic little consideration, but I intend to go ahead with it, no matter what repercussions may arise from it... Right. I know there is some kind of Lemmy connection with the people from the Comic Strip Presents lot (that is, "the Young Ones", French & Saundes etc.). He appears on several shows - The Young Ones and Bad News (HEAVY METAL!!!!). Now, I wonder how he gets to be on all of these things - is he a friend of Ade Edmondson or someone? If only they had Hawkwind in Bad News. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Apr 29 03:22:59 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:22:59 UT Subject: HW: Books Message-ID: Ian asks >>I'll recommend Deke Leonard (of Man)'s memoirs, _Rhinos, Winos, and >>Lunatics_ > >where does one obtain a copy of this book? I got my copy in Helter Skelter, which is a music bookshop in London - I think they might do mail order if you can't order it locally (tel 0171-836 1151, 4 Denmark Street, London WC2), or maybe you can order it from your local bookshop (ISBN 1-900711-00-1, Northdown Publishing). It is worth tracking down! "A stirring saga of courage, endurance and almost breathtaking stupidity," as the blurb has it! - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Apr 29 03:50:08 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 01:50:08 -0600 Subject: OFF:Has this ever happend to You? -Reply /Summer of Loud Message-ID: BREVARD Adrian R. wrote: > > > > >>Has this ever happened to you? According to a post at the Mindcage > >>Website some poor guy buys a copy of Images and Words by Dream Theater. > >>Opens it up and the cd is painted for DT but when he puts it in the player > >>its actually Pearl Jam. Poor guy. Any similar horror stories > >out there? > > > > > TGM>"A friend of mine bought Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime. When he > >hit play, he was assaulted by the sounds of Richard Marx. > > > >Poor guy. He hasn't been the same since." > > > Gumby Man, I think thus far you are the hands down winner for horror > stories. Nothing against Richard Marx but I would have been clobbered > by this too. BTW the prize is a Loudness cd, On The Prowl. Never too > late to enter folks but it closes May 2. Ok-I gotta jump on this one: I bought a Black Sabbath cd at one time (Paranoid, I think) and hit play-guess what-Barry Manilow. What a letdown. It was an aural assault at its worst, I think:) Now, I did get a HW cd that was actually Pendragon-but I could handle that music!! Lets Rock!!! Pam > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: In article <3.0.1.32.19970428105239.00690e54 at mail.io.com>, Star Rats writes Thanks very much for the definitive reply! I had always thought (without checking) that the Orgone versions were slightly different. -- Mark Edmonds From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 29 14:22:57 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:22:57 GMT+0100 Subject: Sweden Message-ID: I'm heading to Sweden in mid-May to meet some people from Uppsala on the 11 maj (s?ndag), but have only been able to get a flight into Stockholm on 10 maj (l?rdag). Is there anyone from the list in the area that might be able to give me "crash space" for the night? I can probably sort something out in any case, but as long as I have a free day I thought it would be fun to meet some of the Swedes on the list if they are around Stockholm. I know there's at least one good CD shop in Stockholm--where is it? :) Med v?nliga h?lsningar Carl From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 29 04:42:15 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:42:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: Comic Strip In-Reply-To: <33644530.1938@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: In message <33644530.1938 at student.uq.edu.au>, Max Wilcox writes The easy answer is Lemmy is pretty much everyone's friend. As I've said before, when Lemmy lived in London, you could go for a beer in a pub before a gig, go to a gig, then go to a club after and damn if lemmy wasn't in all three places, pumping money into the fruit machine and being bought drinks by sycophants like me. Of course he knows Ade Edmundson (whose favorite band is Gong BTW). If you go out as often as he does, for as many years as he did, in a place like London, you are gonna run across pretty much everyone you find interesting sooner or later. (Whether they find you interesting is another story.) And hey, if you where making a show like Bad News wouldn't you ask Lemmy to cameo? -- Jon Browne From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Apr 29 11:49:47 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:49:47 +0200 Subject: OFF: 3001 Message-ID: At 16:14 28.04.97 BST, you wrote: >> P.S. Has anyone read 3001 yet? Any reviews? I am waiting for my copy from the USA (Hello R.) Should get it next weekend Bernhard From Mondello1 at AOL.COM Tue Apr 29 13:29:26 1997 From: Mondello1 at AOL.COM (Steven Defoe) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:29:26 -0400 Subject: OFF: 1997 Arthur Brown Photo Message-ID: Dear BOC/Hawks Jason and others may be interested to see a picture of Arthur Brown with Judge Smith (co-founder of Van Der Graaf Generator) taken in '97 during a break from Judge's forthcoming double CD "Curley's Airships" - it's posted on my web site at http://members.aol.com/mondello1/larry.html Steven Defoe From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Tue Apr 29 13:02:44 1997 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:02:44 +0200 Subject: Sweden In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 14:22 1997-04-29 GMT+0100, you wrote: > I'm heading to Sweden in mid-May to meet some people from Uppsala on >the 11 maj (s?ndag), but have only been able to get a flight into >Stockholm on 10 maj (l?rdag). Is there anyone from the list in the area >that might be able to give me "crash space" for the night? > > I can probably sort something out in any case, but as long as I have a >free day I thought it would be fun to meet some of the Swedes on the list >if they are around Stockholm. > > I know there's at least one good CD shop in Stockholm--where is it? :) > >Med v?nliga h?lsningar >Carl > Hejsan Calle! You're mighty welcome to crash-visit my place. I have an small apartment in central Stockholm (15 minutes walk from Central station). Also, yesterday I happened to get my guitaramp broken, so you probably don't even have to endure my 3-hours Buck-imitation... Dan (unlurking after melting up from blocks of ice) __ __ / `_' / ,, |[====|||||||||||[::} Dan Lindfors, lindfors at algonet.se \__.-._\ `` From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Apr 29 16:53:10 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:53:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: 3001 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970429163238.006a3840@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: At 16:14 28.04.97 BST, someone wrote: > P.S. Has anyone read 3001 yet? Any reviews? Yes. IMO, it was terrible. MAJOR flaws (internal as well as external), the premise was poor, and it lacked a genuine plot. A bit too much recycling from the previous novels as well. Examples of flaws: 1) It mentions Frank Poole's birthyear as 1996. So he was 5 years old when HAL killed him? (He probably meant 1976.) 2) Everyone is bald in 3001. (Read the book to find out why.) Yet one of the characters is described as Nordic with long blond hair. There may have been other characters whose hair Clarke described as well. Clarke has been known historically for his basis in "hard science" (i.e., no "Hollywood physics" e.g. Star Trek). I've always respected this aspect of his work. This time he let that slide quite a bit, despite what the reviews on the cover indicate. Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle P.S.: I also didn't like Clarke's ever-present religion-bashing. He's been on quite a soapbox lately, and the characters through which he does the most soapboxing are REALLY annoying and rarely shut up. If Clarke's purpose was to anger non-atheists, he did quite well. [On that note, some of you will probably enjoy the book. :-) ] From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Apr 29 18:16:57 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:16:57 EDT Subject: Poem Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:19:25 +1000 Max Wilcox writes: >Ron Jennings wrote: >> >> well, i didnt hate it. ;) > > They could have been words spoken from my very soul. > >> BTW- what kind of alcohol? seems like it must be a very special >brew... >> rj > > Absinthe? > >- Max Wilcox I know a guy that made and drank this little concoction....he later told me that he saw a bunch of leprechauns dancing around his living room. From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Tue Apr 29 21:04:49 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 03:04:49 +0200 Subject: THE GERMAN HAWKFAN-FEST SITE IS ONLINE Message-ID: hello all - you all heard the news by now about the upcoming NORTH GERMAN HAWKFAN FESTIVAL in mid-June near Hamburg. the festival will feature a number of highly interesting acts - incl. Alan Davey's new outfit BEDOUIN and NIK TURNER, who will appear with THE MOOR and a sort of surprise guest who will lend a certain Calvertesque flavour to their set. more on the other appearing artists can be found on the new HAWKFEST page. go there via the Robert Calvert site or go straight to the HAWKFEST ENTRY see you there, knut gerwers e-mail: kg at mediopolis.de knut gerwers the CALVERT SITE: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ email: kg at mediopolis.de From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Tue Apr 29 21:08:52 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 03:08:52 +0200 Subject: THE GERMAN HAWKFAN-FEST SITE IS ONLINE / 2 Message-ID: hello all -again- - just to avoid the confusion - here comes the message again without silly link-brackets....: you all heard the news by now about the upcoming NORTH GERMAN HAWKFAN FESTIVAL in mid-June near Hamburg.... the festival will feature a number of highly interesting acts - incl. Alan Davey's new outfit BEDOUIN and NIK TURNER, who will appear with THE MOOR and a sort of surprise guest who will lend a certain Calvertesque flavour to their set. more on the other appearing artists can be found on the new HAWKFEST page. go there via the Robert Calvert site: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ or go straight to the HAWKFEST ENTRY: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/hfest1.htm see you there, knut gerwers e-mail: kg at mediopolis.de knut gerwers the CALVERT SITE: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ email: kg at mediopolis.de From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Apr 28 18:08:10 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:08:10 UT Subject: OFF:Has this ever happend to You? -Reply /Summer of Loud Message-ID: >Gumby Man, I think thus far you are the hands down winner for horror >stories. Actually, I think the winner may be a Swedish guy I've just been corresponding with: in 1972, he bought a copy of Amon Duul 2's _Carnival in Babylon_. Side one was mis-pressed, and was in fact another artist. And a school-friend of his bought the only other copy in the local record store, and that was the same mis-press. So, I guess it's only natural that he *just didn't realise* it was a mistake. Until, 25 years later, he decided to buy a copy on CD... - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Wed Apr 30 04:54:45 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 02:54:45 -0600 Subject: Poem Message-ID: Ian R Fines wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:19:25 +1000 Max Wilcox > writes: > >Ron Jennings wrote: > >> > >> well, i didnt hate it. ;) > > > > They could have been words spoken from my very soul. > > > >> BTW- what kind of alcohol? seems like it must be a very special > >brew... > >> rj > > > > Absinthe? > > > >- Max Wilcox > I know a guy that made and drank this little concoction....he later told > me that he saw a bunch of leprechauns dancing around his living room. gee, I wonder if they had prety lights too? couldn't resist:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace QUEST writes: > Clarke has been known historically for his basis in "hard science" (i.e., > no "Hollywood physics" e.g. Star Trek). I've always respected this aspect > of his work. This time he let that slide quite a bit, despite what the > reviews on the cover indicate. That is a pity. I have to admit I gave up on the Rama books because they just became too silly. His "Asteroid" book was also pretty bad. > P.S.: I also didn't like Clarke's ever-present religion-bashing. He's > been on quite a soapbox lately, and the characters through which he does > the most soapboxing are REALLY annoying and rarely shut up. If Clarke's > purpose was to anger non-atheists, he did quite well. Hmmmm. The same thing happened to Phillip Dick when he was dying. I wonder if Clarke will go for Celestis. FoFP From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Wed Apr 30 09:58:00 1997 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:58:00 -0500 Subject: Terrastock Review Message-ID: An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Scott Heller (617) 724-7762" Subject: Terrastock Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:55:00 EST Size: 11411 URL: From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed Apr 30 09:57:26 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 06:57:26 -0700 Subject: Terrastock Review Message-ID: > Mick farren and the original > Deviants guitar player (andy) were incredible. they were backed > by Andy Ward and Ade Shaw on drums and bass (both from the Bevis > Frond band). Andy Ward on Drums? Is this the same Andy Ward of Camel? He is in the Bevis Frond now? dane From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Apr 30 06:53:46 1997 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:53:46 +0000 Subject: OFF:Has this ever happend to You? -Reply /Summer of Lou Message-ID: Here's another boneheaded manuever like the one you mentioned about the Swedish guy. About five or six years ago, I bought a girlfriend the new (at the time, anyway) Paul McCartney live on cassette. I can't remember what it was called, but I think it came from Moscow. Anyway, the day after I gave it to her, she called to tell me that the whole tape had been recorded backwards! I told her to save it -- possibly a collector's item or something -- but she had already returned it. No matter I married someone else! Also -- This one's not much of a horror story, but slightly interesting. When Iron Maiden's Powerslave came out, I rushed to get the record. When I put it on my turntable, it was Paul DiAnno's Battlezone. A devilish ploy by a disgruntled ex-vocalist? I guess we'll never know. --Nick From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Apr 30 11:34:00 1997 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:34:00 EDT Subject: OFF: 3001 reviews (long) Message-ID: Since it is of interest to at least the big 3, here are some reviews of 3001. Seems the comments are mixed (too late to back out, B!). Rudy *********************************************************************** Buzz Aldrin, astronaut and author of Encounter With Tiber: From the moment I picked it up, I couldn't put it down. 3001: The Final Odyssey is a tour de force that finally answers the questions that sparked the imaginations of an entire generation. The New York Times Book Review, John Allen Paulos: Much of the enjoyment of the book comes from . . . the high-tech thingamajigs that often differ interestingly from their present-day analogues and the barely disguised commentary on issues like prison reform, Freudian therapy, clitoridectomy, terrorism, religious mania and. Of course, computer security and complexity . . . fans will most likely embrace 3001 Synopsis: With his masterpiece, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Arthur C. Clarke created a classic of imaginative fiction and the inspiration for a landmark film. Now, for his millions of readers worldwide, Clarke has written the stunning conclusion to his extraordinary saga--a book which returns to the future to reveal the answers to the questions that have intrigued readers for decades. Customer Comments pittmanp at acm.org, 04/30/97, rating=1: Bad This book is almost as bad as 3001. The first 25 pages are interesting. The rest is a waste of time, especially the non-climatic climax. Clarke has written a self-serving money maker to trap into adding to the value of his estate. Give it up Arthur. You're outdated. If you want good Clarke, read "Tales from the White Hart" or "Childhood's End." Austin Hach (hach at ix.netcom.com), 04/28/97, rating=10: The best book I have ever read!!! From the minute that I started this book I was totaly hooked. Arthur C. Clark has to be the best science fiction wrighter in this century. He has so many good book that I have just started to tap into the wealth of knolage that he has to offer. The one person that I would belive the most in prediction of the futur, Arthur C. Clark would be the one. His book goes into great detial about the star city around Earth. He even has a section at the end of the book to explane how parts of the book are posibale. From one science fiction reader to another plase read this book. samsevern at aol.com, 04/23/97, rating=8: Cosmic Conclusion! A wonderful conclusion to one of sci-fi's cosmic chapters. Less sweeping than "2001," but classic Clarke. kathe at deckard.mc.duke.edu, 04/18/97, rating=4: Science - 10, fiction - 2 Arthur Clarke is a genius, and when he tells me what the future is going to be like in a thousand years or so, I pay attention. His future is minutely detailed, and will probably prove true in many respects. Where this novel fails is in a failure to couple the technological change with humanity. These people don't breathe and spit and snore; these are illustrations, not characters. The plot isn't really worth mentioning: there was only enough of it for a short story. rajshekar at hotmail.com, 04/15/97, rating=8: A defense not , but a suggestion. At the outset, I must say that I am a keen reader , first and last (a reviewer last). Arthur.C Clarke lives as they say in our general area of the pond (The Indian Ocean) and has no doubt been a witness to the fracticious and often unqualified opinions affected by one and all, on all and sundry. This should aclimitize him and by inference the many potential readers of the book the quagmire that any well-known author or any well-read book lover faces. Its a simple problem that has been with us a long long time, it is called prejudice. A new tale is judged often by our expectations from/of the writers tale-telling ability/plotting style and very little from the story itself. Clarke is writer who probably in an attempt not to be bogged down in his own highly respected style of narrative, legitimizable SF, upset the apple-cart of many's expectations. 3001 may by many, not be considered the perfect sequel, if one goes by the negative critical acclaim that it has provoked. But is not that the essence of a good book! A book that makes one react is more relevant than one that does not, at least in terms of its impact on our collective conscience. Clarke (by the time tested wisdom called hind-sight) been an oracle of sorts in reporting mankinds technological and other tendencies, I for one trust him to be accurate (within some degree) in his anticipations. With due respect to a genuine visonary, I have never been a great admirer of his linguistic style, often sparse and somtimes forced. BUT and this is the most important 'BUT' what he conceives and projects in his tales are signposts, guiding beacons in the uncertain future and that too in very humanistic terms. I would reccommend Mr.A.Clarke to any one, any time, any where, any work, just for the insight. 2001 was and is an icon, Kubrick insured that, can we not make room in our minds for more? czarboris at hotmail.com, 04/15/97, rating=5: Not a great end to a great series Lots of possibilities for the future but it is sort of flat. Never get any real action. The virus that was locked in a cave for hundreds of years seems a bit naive. Any good hacker could do that. One thousand year old men could be made more exciting. No more sequels please. Jon Reed (jon.reed at ci.longview.wa.us), 04/11/97, rating=4: A highly palatable mess The ideas and technology were way cool; unfortunately, the plot was not. A reader, 04/10/97, rating=5: I read "2001" so many years ago with awe and enjoyed the two books that followed thus giving me high expectations for "3001". There was of course the amazing potential for a great story that would wrap up the mysteries of the entire series. Mr. Clarke did not deliver, doing great injustice to the entire saga. The book in general though was still an enjoyable read and would recommend it to any Arthur C. Clarke/2001 fan. yangh at uci.edu, 04/10/97, rating=9: pretty good Clarke writes science fiction, not science fantasy, I thought his vision of the future was very plausible, including the possible sociological evolution of humanity. Admittedly the plot was kind of weak, and it was kind of short, but overall I enjoyed the book very much. Carlos M. Santillan: cmsahe at hotmail.com, 04/07/97, rating=10: A must read for all Odyssey series followers It's an excellent book and a moving final to the Odyssey series; It represents the bright future that awaits to the human race: Its expansion through the solar system. Together with the stirring representation of the equatorial ring, the colonization of the jovian-luciferian satellites and the enhancement of the human mind with the "cap", it does a very good story and work, as a one of the best sci-fi pieces I've ever read. With all due respect to all those fellows that didn't like the book, quoting Mr Clarke, quoting to an american president: "It's fiction stupid!" ?Bravo Mr. Clarke! 71600.300 at compuserve.com, 04/04/97, rating=2: Where's the story? "Arthur C. Clarke is considered the greatest science fiction writer of all time," says the publisher's blurb. By who? _3001_ contains maybe 25 pages' worth of story (though "story" is putting it too strongly), padded out to ten times that length by self-indulgent prophesying and preaching, in amateurish prose that makes you cringe several times per page. And when, after 150 pages of this padding, we finally get to the actual story, Clarke fails to provide us with the most important and potentially interesting part of it, the actual message whose warning of impending disaster finally sets the real plot in motion. Ironically, the best writing and reading come in the nonfictional source notes and valediction at the end of the book. For addicts only, and they might want to wait for the cheaper paperback edition, which surely won't be long in coming. kekane at worldnet.att.net, 04/03/97, rating=5: Conditional Recommendation In the latest book, in what has become the "2001" series, we find not only an uninspiring, but implausible plot. Sure, there were some interesting ideas and Clarke's linear extrapolation of the future is fine, but as a novel, it just doesn't ever "take off". When I read the "2063" book, I felt that Clarke had produced a novel only to commercially exploit an original and brilliant idea (that is, the 2001 book). In "3001: The Final Odyssey," I felt that while a good read (have you ever anything that doesn't read well from Clarke?), it lacked the well defined imaginative classic qualities (like the "2001: A Space Odyssey"). In fact, while reading the novel, I was disturbed by the narrow historical references (only back to the late 20th and early 21st centuries). This is where Clarke could have painted a highly imaginative picture of the future and provided linkage between the "now and then". There were also a series terrific storylines that could have been developed that would have gk1 at dolnet.gr (George Kopeliadis), 04/01/97, rating=8: Full of good points for further thinking and analysis Unveils mysteries so well spread in the other Odyssey books. I rate the book 8 because I have to rate 2001 with a ten. Many may dislike that Clarke unveils all the mysteries and answers almost all questions set in the previews sequel books. Others may dislike the absence of hard action. But the book is full of good points for further thinking and analysis. cina at us.ibm.com (Vincent Cina), 03/31/97, rating=6: Interesting but not exciting If you read 2001, 2010, 2061 you have to read 3001. Some interesting questions are raised but there is little excitment and it is not overly imaginative. The ending was disappointing, similar to a recent, highly publicized, sci-fi movie. A quick, calm, comfortable read. craigwads at aol.com, 03/28/97, rating=7: Better than 2061, weak ending though. If you read the others in the series, then you will want to read this one as well. If not, then read the others first, or this will make no sense. I enjoyed his weaving of many ideas from other Clarke stories. The ending was very weak tough, never resolving the central questions of the other books: Who build the Monoliths? Where are they now? Will mankind ever take a place with them? (as to the last, Mr. Clarke seems to think not.) Recycling HAL and Dave Bowman was not bad, and thawing Frank Poole was a great device for spanning the time between books. Clarke remains one of the great SciFi writers and this book does his historic reputation no harm. pleco at macconnect.com, 03/23/97, rating=1: A pitiful ending to an otherwise fantastic series 3001: The Final Odyssey is a simply horrible ending to what has been one of the greatest series in science fiction. By answering nearly all of the questions and tying up neatly all the loose ends from 2001 et. al., this book effectively destroys that wonderful sense of mystery and intrigue that was the heart of what made the other three Odysseys such wonderful books. It's a similar effect to if the X-Files suddenly revealed all of its secrets, except the Odysseys are longer running (and, in my opinion, even better). Also I was hoping to finally see HAL return (after his disconnection in 2001 and abandonment around Jupiter in 2010), but instead all we get is this awful quasi-Dave Bowman who's really rather uninteresting as Clarke's characters go. I did like the long vision of the future in this; I always like to see the perspectives on it of great authors like Clarke, but it takes up far too much of the book to be significant (only about half of 3001 is actually concerned with the plot; the other half is just Poole's experiences with the future). Finally I thought the plot in general of Poole returning was a bit weak; surely Arthur C. Clarke could have invented something more imaginative than that dime-novel trash. Overall I think 3001 was a pathetic ending to what has been one of the greatest series in science fiction history, and wish Clarke had simply left well enough alone with 2061 and not destroyed the whole core of the series with this trash. cpto at aol.com (Rick), 03/22/97, rating=3: Clarke's End What I've always admired about Arthur C. Clarke's writing is the sheer poetry he managed to meld so successfully with the narrative. The city glowing like a jewel on the desert in "The City and the Stars." The arrival of our primal fears in "Childhood's End." The wonder of the artifact in "Rendevouz with Rama." Sadly, most of the poetry and the wonder was missing from his later, collaborative books. And although Clarke's physical difficulties have prevented him from writing more single-author novels in the past few years, I wish he had passed on authorship of 3001 to someone else. Then I would have been able to remember him from his past triumphs. Although 3001 would have rated a 7 or 8 from a lessor author, from the past master it is a 3 at best. The narrative is rudely broken by what must be Clarke's thoughts of the world at present. Circumcision and religion may play a valid point in any novel, but the way they are addressed in 3001 reminds me more of Gernsback's polemeic Ralph 124C41+ than it does of the Clarke I look forward to reading. His opinions interrupt the narrative and do so in a way that doesn't advance the story line. Unforgivable in an author of his stature. Most of his 40-year-old short stories evoke more of a sense of wonder than this novel does. The mind "sees" the printed words in a book. 3001 requires significant allowance for myopia and astigmatism. Wait for the paperback. Or better yet, wait for the Sci-Fi Channel adoption of the book. It couldn't be worse. Unfortunately, it might even be better. t2 at bii.com, 03/21/97, rating=7: "The Final Odyssey?"--I'd like more! This novel may not be as action packed as previous works, but Arthur C. Clarke again demonstrates his craft of placing the human spirit, emotions, desires, and faults into a culture and time of technology far advanced. It is not the speculative technologies that capture the reader but how the human experience remains true no matter the time frame. I highly recommend 3001: The Final Odyssey along with the entire body of work by Arthur C. Clarke. aljawad at kuwait.net, 03/20/97, rating=3: Was this sequel really necessary? I remember 9 years ago and upon finishing reading 2061: Odyssey 3, my reaction was the whole book was Clarkes answer to the challenge of using the characters of the original novel to the last one -- in that case it was the 100+ year old Haywood Floyd. Now Clarke has went a step beyond, he is reviving dead charaters to play along. The Author reminds us again that like the other Odyssey sequels this book takes place in a somewhat different universe than the others, Haywood is now gone - I guess that answers my question about how necessary are these sequels. And again, all the mystic traces that have made 2001 (the book and the movie) what it is have been wiped out. The ending, oh boy! I was under the impression the makers of the monoliths would at least include a good version of ...., er, a certain utility familiar to all computer user,.... . Clarke himself seems apologetic about the silly ending in the books notes (if it is one indeed - who knows if he is considering an "Odyssey: The Next Generation" series). I'm not gonna kid any Clarke fans, go get the book. Others will be happier watching 2001 again. ghunter at csrlink.net, 03/19/97: I can't go on... Perhaps Mr. Clarke says it best in chapter 32: "...it had been an interesting but uneventful three decades...." Interesting but uneventful defines this novel. I was eager to begin the novel, rapt as I witnessed the year 3001 through Frank Poole's eyes, disappointed as the narrative floundered a bit on Europa, bored (dare I say it?) to discover the answer to the mighty mystery of "Halman" in the monolith, and finally dismayed to read that Frank Poole was born in 1996! (199) Please tell me that I am wrong; say that I have overlooked something, and I will be on my way. But could Poole have been born in 1996 and been an astronaut in 2001? Until I find my copy of 2001, or one of you good people set me straight, I cannot finish 3001. Help me put Clarke and the Odyssey back up on that rectangular pedestal! I withhold my rating until I have my answer. A reader, 03/13/97, rating=9: So far so good The book so far has followed a Clarke tradition of carefully yet vaguely describing an odd scenario that probably will not exist. I will finish this book as soon as possible given the well done story setup. A reader, 03/02/97, rating=6: Disjointed addition to the classic series... Some of the scenery was very well depicted, but on the whole I found the latest iteration of the 2001 series disappointing. There was little of Clark's characteristic technological speculation, despite the huge opportunity the setting offere. In fact this was eclipsed by the novel's sociological crystal ball gazing, which was actually a high point that could have been further developed. The lack of scientific depth was worsened by annoying references to popular science and (worse) culture from our times... In addition the formidable alien devices and transhuman protagonists he had built up in the first two books were somewhat cheapened in this novel, which was far too short. Still, it wasn't as bad as 2063 and I'll be first in line for 4001 when the time comes... mlh812 at aol.com, 03/02/97, rating=7: A pleasant visit with old friends. A nice new chapter to the saga, albeit a short one when you consider a couple chapters are rehashed from earlier books. As a fan it was nice to see the old characters again. An interesting look at the future but by no means ground breaking. Mr. Clarke seems to like his early stories a lot to keep revisiting them (the several Rama books and 2001 sequels). For someone not familiar with the series, I would give it a 2. A good read for fans. davea at barrow.com, 02/26/97, rating=8: Good for dedicated 2001 fans The book is farily easy reading, not a lot of technical jargon . Definately not action-packed (no sex, violence, or high speed chases), it does clarify things from the previous Odyssies and is a must for those of us who have been with 2001 from the beginnings in the '60s. Finding and reviving Frank Poole after 1000 years, Clarke did a fair job of taking modern problems and concerns and relating them and their possible solutions to the future. I thought the ending was anticlimatic, but it did leave the door open for another sequel. pamela at decisioninfo.com, 02/26/97, rating=4: A bit slow moving; for die-hard fans only. Astronaut Frank Poole (remember? HAL booted him off into space in 2001) lives again. His frozen corpse is retrieved from beyond Neptune's orbit and he is revived to become a "national treasure" of the third millenium, at least until he finds a more interesting calling as potentially the only person with whom Dave Bowman & HAL (now existing in some form inside the monolith watching over Europa) may communicate and share insights concerning an impending threat to humanity. Most of the book plods along steadily, but without much effect. Entirely plausible, if unexciting, descriptions of the living environments and technologies of the third millenium are intertwined with minimal plot development. The climax of the story is, unfortunately, greatly diminished in impact by its (apparently) entirely coincidental commonalities with ID4. And, despite the book's title, the door seems to remain ajar just a bit (4001?). Overall: happy ending, no sex, no violence, easy reading, good footnotes. This one is probably mostly for die-hard 2001 and Arthur C. Clarke fans. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Apr 30 14:46:40 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:46:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: 3001 reviews (long) In-Reply-To: <3366DAEA@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Rudich, Robert A forwarded this review: > cpto at aol.com (Rick), 03/22/97, rating=3: > Clarke's End > ...Circumcision and religion may play a valid point in any novel, Oh, my.... Damon P.S.: "We'd love to publish your book, Mr. Clarke, but it would be so much better if you mention something about foreskins." :-) From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Apr 30 15:06:55 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:06:55 -0500 Subject: Terrastock Review Message-ID: I'm disappointed to hear that Flying Saucer Attack didn't sound too good at this show, as they are certainly a premium quality psych band. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Apr 30 18:46:20 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:46:20 -0600 Subject: Summerdaze Delayed. In-Reply-To: <199704301906.OAA28974@wcic.org> Message-ID: BOC-L; I was counting down the minutes at work on Tues, Apr 29th, the day the Summerdaze CD was to be released. At 3;30 I walked the kids to the bus, and dashed out of school the nearest (and only) Blockbuster Music Store. Unfortunately, I was told it has been "delayed" until May 20th with no reason given. Oh, well, delays aren't new to us BOC fans. Anybody know what's going on with the Summerdaze CD??? God bless.... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 30 21:33:44 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:33:44 PDT Subject: NIK: No news for some time Message-ID: Hey, I'm your Canadian Hawkwind fan, left out from civilization over here. If you guys don't talk about Hawkwind or Nik, then I won't be getting any news. All we have anymore is off-topic stuff, unless my filters are all screwed up. Here's my question: This "Nikwind" band (or whatever) are only doing older material, right? That is, are they writing anything new or are they only cashing in by playing old stuff? I'd like to see them do something new creatively and then I would consider them a more viable commodity, even if I think they should change their name from Nik Turner's Hawkwind. And is the animosity between Nik and Dave cooling? I saw a concert date which listed the both of them (on this mailing list), but because I don't know your geography, I didn't know where it was. (Somehow, since I didn't know the locale, I also ended up not knowing the date, too.) So I don't know if these were old shows or if they are upcoming. ------------------------- Bryan Young blyoung at hotmail.com ------------------------- My Hawkwind website, recently updated! http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 ---------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Apr 30 22:32:13 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:32:13 -0400 Subject: No news for some time Message-ID: > Here's my question: This "Nikwind" band (or whatever) are only > doing older material, right? That is, are they writing anything > new or are they only cashing in by playing old stuff? I'd like > to see them do something new creatively and then I would consider > them a more viable commodity, even if I think they should change > their name from Nik Turner's Hawkwind. WE (the fans) call it Nikwind. Nik began calling his band "Nik Turner's HW," but changed it back to Nik Turner, or "Nik Turner's Space Ritual," after seeing the controversy that arose. I believe some promoters and/or venues continued to bill it as NT's HW. They play the classic material, plus tunes from some of the members' own bands. Even tho there is not much new material, no one can say that it is not a terrific show. I would hardly say they are "cashing in" on anything. They don't get paid very much for North American gigs. I think they consider themselves lucky if they break even. Advice- if you get the chance, see them. Take it for what its worth, and you will enjoy yourself. > And is the animosity between Nik and Dave cooling? I saw a > concert date which listed the both of them (on this mailing list), > but because I don't know your geography, I didn't know where it > was. (Somehow, since I didn't know the locale, I also ended > up not knowing the date, too.) So I don't know if these were > old shows or if they are upcoming. No one here can speak for Nik or Dave on this matter. And if anyone does, you can bet you're getting an embellished report. Suffice it to say that Nik has made up with Doug Smith. Doug Manages both bands now, so there may be dual gigs regardless of anyone's personal feelings. That's not to say that they haven't patched things up. I heard that they had, then heard that they hadn't, then back and forth again, till I decided it wasn't my concern and just went back to waitng for a new album. I've even heard a rumour (pronounced ROOM-ERR) that Ron Tree was going to play bass, and Nik was going to be the new front man for HW. REPEAT: ROOM-ER! <> rj Its no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society. krishnamarti From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Apr 29 20:42:01 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:42:01 +1000 Subject: Poem Message-ID: Ian R Fines wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:19:25 +1000 Max Wilcox > writes: > >Ron Jennings wrote: > >> > >> well, i didnt hate it. ;) > > > > They could have been words spoken from my very soul. > > > >> BTW- what kind of alcohol? seems like it must be a very special > >brew... > >> rj > > > > Absinthe? > > > >- Max Wilcox > I know a guy that made and drank this little concoction....he later told > me that he saw a bunch of leprechauns dancing around his living room. Perhaps there was. I just had a big dental operation today, and being on the painkillers that I am at present, it doesn't sound like a particularly improbable idea. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 30 23:25:21 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:25:21 PDT Subject: HW: No news for some time Message-ID: >WE (the fans) call it Nikwind. Nik began calling his band "Nik Turner's >HW," >but changed it back to Nik Turner, or "Nik Turner's Space Ritual," after >seeing the >controversy that arose. I believe some promoters and/or venues continued >to bill it as NT's HW. Okay, thanks. I live in Canada, though, so I will never get the chance to see them live. What do they have on CD so far? >They play the classic material, plus tunes from some of the members' own >bands. >Even tho there is not much new material, no one can say that it is not a >terrific show. >Advice- if you get the chance, see them. Take it for what its worth, and >you will enjoy yourself. Yeah, I think it would be fun. I would like to see them, but I would choose Hawkwind if they were in competing venues. > Suffice it to say that Nik has made up with Doug >Smith. Doug Manages both >bands now, so there may be dual gigs regardless of anyone's personal >feelings. That's not to say that >they haven't patched things up. I heard that they had, then heard that >they hadn't, then back and forth again, till I decided it wasn't my concern >and just went back to waitng for a new album. That's good news for you guys over there. That sounds like a great show - Hawkwind and Nik's crew. >I've even heard a rumour (pronounced ROOM-ERR) that Ron Tree was going to >play bass, and Nik was going to be the new front man for HW. REPEAT: >ROOM-ER! <> I love Ron's voice. How does he do the really freaky things with his voice like that? I have never heard anybody like that ever. At first when I got Alien 4 I was kind of skeptical, but then when I saw what Love in Space was like, I went back and really learned to appreciate Alien 4. Ron is one of my favorite HW vocalists now. The only one I never really got to enjoy was Bridgett. Her voice just didn't seem right to me. (Black Elk Speaks is the best song with her, I think.) New Question: Is there any website that identifies the lead singer for each song? I can recognize Bob's voice, and Dave's. Ron's is easy to distinguish, of course, as is Bridget's. But what about Alan's songs? And Harvey's? And did Richard only do the Rolling Stones cover song? Who does the Coded Languages song when it's done live on the Undisclosed Files CD? Not having ever seen them live (except for my Black Sword video I found in a pawn shop in Edmonton), I don't know who sings what on some of the songs. Thanks! > >rj > >Its no measure of health to be well-adjusted to >a profoundly sick society. > krishnamarti ------------------------- Bryan Young blyoung at hotmail.com ------------------------- My Hawkwind website, recently updated! http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 ---------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------