From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri Nov 1 03:58:48 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 08:58:48 -0000 Subject: Valium 10 Message-ID: ---------- From: J Strobridge Sent: 31 October 1996 17:22 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW: Valium 10 from the Codex: Valium Ten 1 Motorhead / Valium 10 12" single --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is that the one with sweet mistress of pain ? Andy C -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Carl From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Nov 1 06:43:28 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:43:28 +0100 Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BOLLE Message-ID: At 04:44 PM 10/31/96 -0700, you wrote: >HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BOLLE!!!!!! > >You have been the focal point for many a heated debates on this list. >It's all in good fun, I hope. > >God bless... > >Manuel & "Vi aer saa glada att du har foedelseda' ida', att du aer foedd just ida' tralala" (The Frog Boll(e) Birthday Song by Thomas Funck) -Daniel Wikdahl . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 1 09:15:05 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:15:05 -0500 Subject: Where's my F@!%# tape?!?! Message-ID: Yo Theo, Will ya *please* send Manuel his tape? And Manuel, You really ought to take these requests to private e-mail. And don't forget -- I'm on that tape somewhere, screaming long with the rest of the crowd at my first BOC show :-) Have it good, John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 1 09:31:54 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:31:54 EST Subject: Where's my F@!%# tape?!?! Message-ID: > Hey Theo; > > O.k., you told me last week you would send me my Worcester '82 tape, if > that was all I wanted. I said YES!!! That was the original deal accord- > ing to our trade 4 1/2 months ago!!! Where's my tape?? > > I know, I know; you're going to send it to me for X-mas, right? > Please send it ASAP>>> > > Manuel (had a double latte) Alzaga, Jr. > > > Manuel, he with the Jobian patience: Everything is recorded. I've got a whole box of tapes for ya. Done! I have to copy a couple of print items and box everything up and off it goes. If I can get to the p.o. tomorrow, out they will go. Hope you like this stuff. You probably have some of it, but if ya do, then you can trade them or keep them as blanks, whatever. This will happen before Thanksgiving, let alone Xmas, I swear on my guitar collection! best regards,] theo From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Fri Nov 1 10:27:47 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:27:47 GMT Subject: BOC: The search for Imaginos Message-ID: Dear UK subscribers, Would anyone be prepared to pick up this cd for me, and I'll pay them back plus whtever P&P incurred. I cannot find/order it from where I live, at all :-( Thanks in advance, Neil. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 1 10:42:23 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:42:23 GMT Subject: More Space Bandits Talk Message-ID: On tor 31 okt 1996 17.43 "Jon Browne" wrote: > In message <01IB9AZK4ZBO8Y5SW5 at delphi.com>, HERBERT119 at delphi.com writes > >I can > >relate to the part > >about getting a job, though... > > Yeah, me too. Xenon Codex came out in the last year of my beautiful > seven years without a job. Maybe thats why "Good Evening" remains one of > my fave tracks. In fact, I only started dealing comics to stop welfare > hassling me. How was I to know it was going to be sucessful? Damn... the > best laid plans of mice and men, eh? I like "Good Evening" anyway :) but I too got the album when at the end of a school-year I was looking for a summer job to keep me afloat. Cheers, Carl From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 1 10:40:26 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:40:26 GMT Subject: FAO Gordon Hundley Message-ID: Gordon, I need your snailmail address to send out Zeta Orionis. Cheers Mike From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Nov 1 11:48:21 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 11:48:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Motorhead review/interview In-Reply-To: from "Troy Harris" at Oct 29, 96 01:52:34 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks... Saw this on Alt.rock-n-roll.metal. Thought the Lemmy buffs on the list might be interested. Keith H. (FAA) Music ram-blings: Motorhead: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Overnight Sensation ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- You'd think with the passage of time, Motorhead would slow down their music, perhaps tone it down a little. Younger bands have done as much, either due to weakness or to make their music acceptable. But not with Motorhead. Lemmy's voice in this album is less wheezy and more gruff. His bass pounding is great as usual, but the most interesting performances are with the harmonica and the acoustic guitar. The guitar solos by Phil Campbell are terse and to the point, and Mikkey Dee's drumming is tight and solid. Like with other Motorhead albums in the past, the fastest and the most aggressive song is the first one, Civil War, which is about putting people in jail for minor crimes which may turn them into hardened criminals. My favourite songs are those that carry a deep meaning in their lyrics like Eat the Gun (about gun control), Them Not Me (deriving joy from other people's pain), and Broken (about political bureaucracy). After all these years, Motorhead is still the same old uncompromising speed machine it has always been, and that's a great thing in this "Alternative" world. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Born to Raise Hell I had an interesting conversation with Ian "Lemmy" Kilmister, frontman of the seminal punk-metal crossover band, Motorhead, about all sorts of topics. Here are some excerpts, condensed and summarised for your reading pleasure. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Overnight Sensation, the band's latest album, "was recorded under a bit of pressure," since at the time of conception, Motorhead didn't have any new material written. It took the band about five weeks to write it and about five weeks to record it. There will be a tour in support of this album. The tour will start in November in Illinois and work around the country. The band plans to tour most of next year. I asked Lemmy what it felt like to be an icon in Rock 'n' Roll, and it was obvious that he relishes his successes. He said that after all these years, it starts "to feel the same" but when they're touring "it's different because it's a different place every night. Even if it's the same place, it feels different because things have changed." The conversation was highly interesting because Lemmy is extremely opinionated. This enabled us to talk about everything from the music industry to more controversial topics such as gun control and drugs, with some humorous moments interspersed in between. Lemmy's view about the the music industry is that "it sucks. It always did and always will. People with no artistic talent will pass off their work as having talent." But he thinks that's okay in a sense since "everyone's trying to make a living. Everyone's trying to survive." The problem is that if you maintain this as your solo motivation "there's no ambition to gain artistic talent and it becomes an issue of sell, sell, sell." Lemmy went on to add "I don't think of myself as an artist. Rock 'n' roll is joy and art isn't always. It could be, but it could boring as hell." On the topic of the Sex Pistols reunion tour, he said he didn't have a chance to see them but he doesn't think they've "sold out": "Selling out is a very abused term. But that's why they did what they did in 1977 and there's nothing wrong with them doing it now." When the topic of the current elections came up, Lemmy referred to the two frontrunners as "both smiling assholes. The system doesn't favour anybody but the frontrunners." He thinks people should learn to "rule themselves", an opinion I share as an anarchist. Lemmy favours a "creative anarchy" and thinks that "government causes more problems than it solves." On the topic of authors and books, Lemmy's favourites include Michael Moorcock, Philip K. Dick ("he's great!"), J. G. Ballard, and Len Deighton. He has a soft spot for Len Deighton's two Bernard Sampson trilogies (Berlin Game, Mexico Set, London Match, continued with Spy Hook, Spy Line, and Spy Sinker), which Lemmy thinks is an amazing piece of work" since they all "fit together as one." Lemmy also reads a lot of documentaries concerning the topic of war, particularly World War I and II. Why about war? "Because it's the most popular pastime in the world. Everybody seems to be doing it. I like the big ones because it shows man at his worst." Lemmy doesn't think it's a bad thing that the metal scene isn't "accepted" by people in general: "If they accept it it's dead. Your parents have to hate the music you listen to." He did say that he likes playing in countries like South America where "the people still believe in rock 'n' roll." Speaking about the group Fastway that included Motorhead's first guitarist Fast Eddie Clarke, Lemmy said: "They're gone a long time. The band was alright. I didn't think the album was very good. They had a lousy singer. But Eddie's has always been a good player." Explaining how he could do speed for 30 years and not go crazy, he said "it takes concentration and willingness to experiment. Each to his own, you know? What's normal for me isn't normal for everyone. You need to find your drug of choice and stick with that." With regards to the war on drugs, Lemmy thinks the government should give up because "the war has been lost. There are more drugs now than before the war started." He believes that "you have to regulate drugs. You can't just let people do what they want. You have to make sure the drug is pure and make sure they don't cause other problems. It makes sense to regulate." While he loves America and thinks "it's a great country", he also thinks "it's fucking itself. It has these terrible bureaucrats and all they do is follow the book." He thinks America "spends too much on defense, on a mythical enemy. What about the people starving on the streets?" Lemmy was at his most eloquent when he spoke about gun control, and I'm lifting this stuff from the PR info I got since I think it says it better than our conversation: "The hunting thing in America, it's unbelievable---they dress up like the SAS to kill a deer! They hide in trees with camouflage uniforms on them, they have telescopic rifles---Jesus Christ, you know what I mean? The deer has got its fur on it and four hoofs on it! And they make a big deal out of killing the poor bastard thing. They should get on their knees and apologise for having that much of an advantage." When queried about needing guns to mount a revolution against a government, he said "the English have brought their government down without any guns several times. All it takes is a sex scandal. You just need a dick and a woman." Lemmy did acknowledge however the situation has gone a bit too far and "it's possible you can't take all the guns away." Future plans for Motorhead include constant touring and making more albums in their no-holds-barred style. Be sure to catch them on tour. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 1 08:27:07 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 13:27:07 +0000 Subject: OFF : Bryan Talbot again Message-ID: found this, as he's been OFF'd a few times thought be interested. BTW FRAP-scan in a week. SPONG-scan will be harder as I can't find my Brainstorm #1. I think the cellar's eaten it. it's getting *very* grim down there. jon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Announcing the new Bryan Talbot fanpage I have just finished putting up the official Bryan Talbot fanpage: check it out at: http://www.waverider.co.uk/~milieu/Bryan.html Bryan is an independent British comic author and artist, well known for his work on The Adventures of Luther Arkwright, Nemesis the Warlock(in 2000ad), the DC series the Nazz, several Batman stories and recently the Technophage series from Dark Horse. His work is utterly outstanding, and for more info, please have a quick look at the website! Apologies if this posting is in any groups that don't feel that it's relevant: it's just that I think far too few people know about this bloke's work and I'm trying to do something about it! If you are annoyed - check out the website and THEN send me a testy email: at least you'll have seen the site then! All the best, James Robertson -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Browne From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Fri Nov 1 07:56:11 1996 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:56:11 GMT Subject: On Tour Forever! Gone! Message-ID: Can anyone tell me if this website has moved or been discontinued?? http://www.clark.net/pub/mileskb/boc/boc.html From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Fri Nov 1 13:00:54 1996 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 11:00:54 -0700 Subject: On Tour Forever! Gone! -Reply Message-ID: >>> "Joseph M. Lofft" 11/01/96 05:56am >>> Can anyone tell me if this website has moved or been discontinued?? http://www.clark.net/pub/mileskb/boc/boc.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://members.gnn.com/mileskb/boc/index.html Brad L. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 1 13:08:53 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 13:08:53 EST Subject: OFF: Motorhead review/interview Message-ID: Keith, Thanks a million! The Lemmy interview made my day... theo From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Fri Nov 1 08:40:45 1996 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 13:40:45 GMT Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: On Tour Forever! Gone! Message-ID: Could someone please remove this name from the list, I am tired of geeting automatic replies from his mail server..... ========================================================================= >From: Jean-Charles Moriaud >To: "Joseph M. Lofft" >Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: On Tour Forever! Gone! >Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:06:02 -0000 > > >I am out of the office this afternoon - Friday, November 1stt. > >For Exchange urgent matter, please contact Jean-Marc Fleury @GEO >or Chris Brownstone @REO. >For any other urgent matter, please contact Gregory Darmon @GEO. > >You could help me sorting out mails when you specify in the subject >line the following first characters: > >U: = urgent / A: = action / I: = informations > >Thanks and best regards, >___________________________________________ >Jean-Charles Moriaud CCS Switzerland >DTN: 821-4979 Digital Equipment Corp. >Tel: +41 22 709 4979 12, av. des Morgines >Fax: +41 22 709 4140 1213 Petit-Lancy, >Inet: moriaud at mail.dec.com Geneva,Switzerland >X.400: c=ch; a=400net; p=digital; o=digital; ou=geo >___________________________________________ > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 1 14:06:34 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:06:34 -0500 Subject: On Tour Forever! Gone! Message-ID: The "On Tour Forever" Website has moved to: http://members.gnn.com/mileskb/boc/index.html John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 1 11:52:10 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 16:52:10 +0000 Subject: Where's my F@!%# tape?!?! In-Reply-To: <199611011415.JAA25058@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: In message <199611011415.JAA25058 at mbunix.mitre.org>, John A Swartz writes >And Manuel, > >You really ought to take these requests to private e-mail. > Yeah, I'm glad Dave didn't tell everyone I took something like *nine* months to send his tapes....ooops! -- Jon Browne From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Fri Nov 1 15:49:04 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:49:04 -0500 Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL Message-ID: Subj: New Album Date: 96-11-01 15:10:17 EST From: OYSTRBOY To answer commonly asked question about the release of the new album....we area in the studio 5 days a week, and thanks to Buck's Mac, we can get email up here in Upstate NY to stay in touch. We imagine the actual recording process will be finished in about a month and the release is tentatively scheduled for Mar 1....we haven't decided on a title yet, but the one sticking the most right now is "Ezekiel's Wheel"...artwork is under discussion with two different artists. From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Nov 1 17:19:31 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:19:31 -0700 Subject: John Schwart In-Reply-To: <199611011906.OAA25498@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: John; Half the fun of being on the list is poking fun at others from time to time. Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Nov 1 18:58:39 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:58:39 -0500 Subject: More Space Bandits Talk Message-ID: On 30-OCT-1996 23:51:33.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> yeah, right sorry, make that two. "Douglas" really hums too! "Good >> Morning" though? Do you mean "Good Evening" off Xenon Codex? Or >should I > say the *excellant* "Good Evening" off Xenon Codex? Surely >not? > -- >> Jon Browne >"Good Evening" is one of those great songs which shows Hawkwind have a >sense of humour. I really like their fun songs (others include "Valium >10" & Dave's "Machine Dream"). >These songs just go to show that HW are not all doom and gloom like >others of their ilk. >William Hmmm...but what's so funny about "Mommy, daddy said to me 'Get a job'" repeating over and over again? Silly but not that funny. :) I think BOC win the humour sweepstakes... Chuck `[1;36;46mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From jlevin at PANIX.COM Fri Nov 1 19:51:22 1996 From: jlevin at PANIX.COM (Jed Levin) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 19:51:22 -0500 Subject: HW: Alien 4 In-Reply-To: <199611011000.FAA25180@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Well, I couldn't wait for a response to my query about Alien4 vs. Love in Space, so I bought Alien 4--I was afraid the copy might disappear. But I did just see Dave's response, so thanks! I like Alien 4, but the tracks that are on LiS are pretty similar. Dave, I like "Beam Me Up" too! I was surprised to find that the song "Love in Space" isn't on Alien 4. Which album is that from? Were there any singles from Alien 4 released? What was the general reaction from the fans to Alien 4? Sorry for all the questions! --Jed Levin jlevin at panix.com From JMBpackers at AOL.COM Fri Nov 1 22:32:05 1996 From: JMBpackers at AOL.COM (J M Blahnik) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:32:05 -0500 Subject: BOC: Florida show Message-ID: ...pictures of the band at work in the > studio are available on the WWW at the on tour forever site, I believe. I'll > try and find the post and copy it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > What's the URL for that one? It's new to me. Thanks in advance, yours, Try this one out, http://members.gnn.com/mileskb/boc/index.html, Jim From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sat Nov 2 05:18:29 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 10:18:29 UT Subject: Alien 4 Message-ID: Jed asks >I like Alien 4, but the tracks that are on LiS are pretty similar. Dave, >I like "Beam Me Up" too! I was surprised to find that the song "Love in >Space" isn't on Alien 4. Which album is that from? Were there any >singles from Alien 4 released? What was the general reaction from the >fans to Alien 4? Sorry for all the questions! 1) "Love in Space" isn't on any album other than _Love in Space_. 2) Yes, the "Area S4" EP (all tracks are on _Alien 4_, though it's an edit of "Alien (I Am)". 3) Generally approving, but some of us didn't like Ron's eccentric vocal style. - Andy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Nov 2 10:46:38 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 01:46:38 +1000 Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL In-Reply-To: <327A6240.1B4B@digital.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, Shawn Quinn wrote: > Subj: New Album > Date: 96-11-01 15:10:17 EST > From: OYSTRBOY > > To answer commonly asked question about the release of the new > album....we area in the studio 5 days a week, and thanks to Buck's Mac, > we can get email up here in Upstate NY to stay in touch. We imagine the > actual recording process will be finished in about a month and the > release is tentatively scheduled for Mar 1....we haven't decided on a > title yet, but the one sticking the most right now is "Ezekiel's > Wheel"...artwork is under discussion with two different artists. > "Yeeeeeeeeeee-Haaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!" (yank reponse) "YOU BLOODY RIPPER!!!!" (Aussie response) "CHO-ICE!!!" (kiwi response) "Here-we-go-here-we-go,here we go!" (pommie response) "Blue Oyster who?" (today's youth response) My prediction- The greatest release of the 90's. (or is it the ONLY release of the 90's?) :) Troy From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 2 05:53:08 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 10:53:08 +0000 Subject: More Xenon Codex Talk In-Reply-To: <01IBCBREXWS295MUYA@delphi.com> Message-ID: In message <01IBCBREXWS295MUYA at delphi.com>, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes >Hmmm...but what's so funny about "Mommy, daddy said to me 'Get a job'" >repeating over and over again? Silly but not that funny. :) I think BOC win >the humour sweepstakes... OK it's not bust-a-gut comedy. The "get a job, get a job, get a job" is pretty apt, I thought at the time. The humour is in the samples like the snip from "If I Were A Rich Man" followed by sheep bleating, for instance. Then there's all those Looney Tunes bits at the end. OK it's not like a joke you can share down the pub but it's not exactly serious either. And of course, it rocks, there's always that! Anyone see "Shooting Stars" last night? Now *that's* funny. I fell off the sofa when Mark got hit by the stuffed bear! -- Jon Browne Eranu! From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Sat Nov 2 16:36:54 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Clore) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 13:36:54 -0800 Subject: BOC: magical casement Message-ID: Imaginos, "Les Invisibles": The magical casement Visions of a parallel world. Compare Keats, "Ode to a Nightingale": The same [song] that oft-times hath Charm'd magic casements, opening on the foam Of perilous seas, in faery lands forlorn. A casement is a window that opens on hinges. There was also, I believe, an anthology of fantasy poetry title The Magic Casement. Dan Clore From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Nov 2 17:17:42 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 08:17:42 +1000 Subject: Alien 4 Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > Jed asks > > >I like Alien 4, but the tracks that are on LiS are pretty similar. Dave, > >I like "Beam Me Up" too! I was surprised to find that the song "Love in > >Space" isn't on Alien 4. Which album is that from? Were there any > >singles from Alien 4 released? What was the general reaction from the > >fans to Alien 4? Sorry for all the questions! > > 1) "Love in Space" isn't on any album other than _Love in Space_. Actually, I believe it's on White Zone (or maybe Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams?). It's definately one one of those albums. -Max Wilcox From chrisr at TIAC.NET Sat Nov 2 18:54:29 1996 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 18:54:29 -0500 Subject: Love In Space Message-ID: Hello, The song Love In Space was on the vinyl release of Alien 4. The studio version did not have lyrics familiar to the live version. Chris From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Sat Nov 2 19:25:58 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Jason Scruton) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 00:25:58 -0000 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma and Mutation Message-ID: I was just listening to the 2nd LP for the umpteenth time and I notices something which may or may not has been a topic of discourse: Buck's solos are so choopy and angular on this compared to almost everything else he's recorded. Particularly the "indian" solo in Hot Rails, 7 screaming.., and most notably, in my opinion on Quicklime Girl. Has any reason ever been given for this strange one-shot shift from the fluid soloing we all know and are awestruck by? Although, I must admit it does fit the overall feel of the LP very well- that full yet thin sound of stings strings and more strings.. Bolts of ungodly vision, Jason From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Nov 3 05:31:50 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 10:31:50 UT Subject: Alien 4 Message-ID: >> >> 1) "Love in Space" isn't on any album other than _Love in Space_. > > Actually, I believe it's on White Zone (or maybe Strange Trips and Pipe >Dreams?). It's definately one one of those albums. Beg pardon - there is a track *called* "Love in Space" on _White Zone_, but it's not the same one. Least, I can't spot the similarity! And it's a Davey track, not a Brock one. Though as Chris points out, there's a "Space Sex" on the vinyl of _A4_. Might be getting somewhere here... but my answer to Jed remains substantially correct. - Andy From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Nov 3 10:10:52 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 23:10:52 +0800 Subject: More Space Bandits Talk Message-ID: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > > On 30-OCT-1996 23:51:33.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > >> yeah, right sorry, make that two. "Douglas" really hums too! "Good > >> Morning" though? Do you mean "Good Evening" off Xenon Codex? Or > >should I > say the *excellant* "Good Evening" off Xenon Codex? Surely > >not? > -- > >> Jon Browne > >"Good Evening" is one of those great songs which shows Hawkwind have a > >sense of humour. I really like their fun songs (others include "Valium > >10" & Dave's "Machine Dream"). > >These songs just go to show that HW are not all doom and gloom like > >others of their ilk. > >William > > Hmmm...but what's so funny about "Mommy, daddy said to me 'Get a job'" > repeating over and over again? Silly but not that funny. :) I think BOC win > the humour sweepstakes... > > Chuck > `[1;36;46mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive It's not so much the lyrics, more the music. In particular the cartoon-like ending. William From mannyrp at SPRYNET.COM Sun Nov 3 16:41:46 1996 From: mannyrp at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:41:46 -0800 Subject: BOC: Re: Taming Flelepaths Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > On alt.music.blueoystercult, someone heard a rumour that BOC would do > one last show this year in Florida, but none of the web pages that show > their dates mentioned it. The guy who posted the rumour didn't say > where, anyone heard anything? > =================================== Reportedly, they were to play at Guavaween in Tampa (now, two weeks past). Although, I live in Tampa and would pretty much do anything to see BOC, I refuse to attend Guavaween--a night with a thousand obnoxious drunks. BOC was not advertised--that honor went to The Butthole Surfers, who were felt by some to be *inappropriate* for such a gathering--nor have I heard from anyone who attended and saw them (of course, most attendees are suffering from a missing time episode temporally linked to the consumption of their first six pack that evening). So, I have no idea if they played or what they played. Sorry, folks. Richard From jlevin at PANIX.COM Sun Nov 3 16:02:57 1996 From: jlevin at PANIX.COM (Jed Levin) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:02:57 -0500 Subject: Love in Space continued In-Reply-To: <199611031000.FAA05201@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Thanks for the responses RE: "Alien 4" and "Love in Space." I saw a copy of White Zone today, and the song "Love in Space" *is* on it. My next question is, what is "White Zone?" I forget the band name on it, but it was obviously a Brock Hawkwind offshoot of some kind. You see, I'm relying on the Collector's Guide that came with my copy of "Warriors on the Edge of Time" and a couple of webpages for my discographic info, and they all seem to end after The Business Trip CD came out. SO it's up to you folks to fill in the holes for me! If anyone can post a discography of everything (full albums at least) after The Business Trip, that'd be WAY helpfull... Oh yeah, was the inclusion of "Love in Space" on the "Alien 4" vinyl the only difference between that and the CD release? --Jed Levin From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Nov 3 18:46:21 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 23:46:21 GMT Subject: Love in Space continued In-Reply-To: Jed Levin's message of Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:02:57 -0500 Message-ID: Jed Levin writes: > you folks to fill in the holes for me! If anyone can post a discography > of everything (full albums at least) after The Business Trip, that'd be > WAY helpfull... > >From my latest discog. I've omitted solo albums, the bootlegs and the various remix and cover albums. There's probably a more complete version than mine around though! 1994 The Business Trip 2LP & CD (The Emergency Broadcast System) Altair Quark Strangeness and Charm LSD The Camera That Could Lie Green Finned Demon Do That The Day A Wall Came Down Berlin Axis Void of Golden Light Right Stuff Wastelands The Dream Goes On Right to Decide The Dream Has Ended This Future Terra Mystica (vinyl only) 1995 White Zone (By The Psychedelic Warriors) Am I Fooling (Brock/Davey/Chadwick) Frenzzy (Brock) Pipe Dreams (Brock) Heart Attack (Brock) Time and Space (Brock/Davey) The White Zone (Brock) In Search of Shangrila (Brock) Bay of Bengal (Brock) Moonbean (Chadwick) Window Pane (Davey) Love in Space (Davey) 1995 Area S4 EP Alien (I Am) The Rosewell Edit Sputnik Stan [vinyl EP only] Death Trap Wastelands Are You Losing Your Mind 1995 Alien4 Abducted Alien (I Am) Reject Your Human Touch Blue Skin Beam Me Up Vega Xenomorphy Journey Sputnik Stan Kapal Festivals Death Trap Wastelands Are You Losing Your Mind Space Sex [vinyl LP only] 1996 Love In Space [2CD and double vinyl] Abducted Death Trap Wastelands Are You Losing Your Mind? Photo Encounter Blue Skin Sputnik Stan* Robot* Alien I Am* Xenomorph Vega Love In Space Kapal Elfin Silver Machine Welcome Assassins [CD only] *these tracks in a different order on vinyl. > Oh yeah, was the inclusion of "Love in Space" on the "Alien 4" vinyl the > only difference between that and the CD release? > yep - see above. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Nov 3 22:41:38 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:41:38 +0800 Subject: Love in Space continued Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > Jed Levin writes: > > > you folks to fill in the holes for me! If anyone can post a discography > > of everything (full albums at least) after The Business Trip, that'd be > > WAY helpfull... > > > > >From my latest discog. I've omitted solo albums, the bootlegs and > the various remix and cover albums. There's probably a more complete > version than mine around though! > > 1994 The Business Trip 2LP & CD (The Emergency Broadcast System) > Altair > Quark Strangeness and Charm > LSD > The Camera That Could Lie > Green Finned Demon > Do That > The Day A Wall Came Down > Berlin Axis > Void of Golden Light > Right Stuff > Wastelands > The Dream Goes On > Right to Decide > The Dream Has Ended > This Future > Terra Mystica (vinyl only) > 1995 White Zone (By The Psychedelic Warriors) > Am I Fooling (Brock/Davey/Chadwick) > Frenzzy (Brock) > Pipe Dreams (Brock) > Heart Attack (Brock) > Time and Space (Brock/Davey) > The White Zone (Brock) > In Search of Shangrila (Brock) > Bay of Bengal (Brock) > Moonbean (Chadwick) > Window Pane (Davey) > Love in Space (Davey) > 1995 Area S4 EP > Alien (I Am) The Rosewell Edit > Sputnik Stan [vinyl EP only] > Death Trap > Wastelands > Are You Losing Your Mind > 1995 Alien4 > Abducted > Alien (I Am) > Reject Your Human Touch > Blue Skin > Beam Me Up > Vega > Xenomorphy > Journey > Sputnik Stan > Kapal > Festivals > Death Trap > Wastelands > Are You Losing Your Mind > Space Sex [vinyl LP only] > 1996 Love In Space [2CD and double vinyl] > Abducted > Death Trap > Wastelands > Are You Losing Your Mind? > Photo Encounter > Blue Skin > Sputnik Stan* > Robot* > Alien I Am* > Xenomorph > Vega > Love In Space > Kapal > Elfin > Silver Machine > Welcome > Assassins [CD only] > *these tracks in a different order on vinyl. > > > Oh yeah, was the inclusion of "Love in Space" on the "Alien 4" vinyl the > > only difference between that and the CD release? > > > > yep - see above. > > jill > The Psychedelic Warriors is Hawkwind under another name! I'm a bit confused. Is "Space Sex" the same as the "White Zone" version of "Love in Space"????? From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Nov 4 00:32:41 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 06:32:41 +0100 Subject: Love in Space continued Message-ID: At 16:02 1996-11-03 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks for the responses RE: "Alien 4" and "Love in Space." I saw a copy >of White Zone today, and the song "Love in Space" *is* on it. My next >question is, what is "White Zone?" I forget the band name on it, but it >was obviously a Brock Hawkwind offshoot of some kind. You see, I'm >relying on the Collector's Guide that came with my copy of "Warriors on >the Edge of Time" and a couple of webpages for my discographic info, and >they all seem to end after The Business Trip CD came out. SO it's up to >you folks to fill in the holes for me! If anyone can post a discography >of everything (full albums at least) after The Business Trip, that'd be >WAY helpfull... if you can read m$ word, I can send you a 30pg discography - size: ~175kB >Oh yeah, was the inclusion of "Love in Space" on the "Alien 4" vinyl the >only difference between that and the CD release? the inclusion of "Space Sex" (is it "Love in Space" in an embryonic stage?) was the only difference. White Zone "Love in Space" is a complete different tune. "Space Sex" is a live track. Date and venue, Bernhard??? ;0) when we're into comparing tracks, do play "Blue Skin" together with the 25yrs box "I am the Eye that Looks Within". >--Jed Levin \\joe From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Nov 4 01:23:03 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:23:03 +1000 Subject: Alien 4 Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > >> > >> 1) "Love in Space" isn't on any album other than _Love in Space_. > > > > Actually, I believe it's on White Zone (or maybe Strange Trips and > Pipe > >Dreams?). It's definately one one of those albums. > > Beg pardon - there is a track *called* "Love in Space" on _White Zone_, but > it's not the same one. Least, I can't spot the similarity! And it's a Davey > track, not a Brock one. > > Though as Chris points out, there's a "Space Sex" on the vinyl of _A4_. Might > be getting somewhere here... but my answer to Jed remains substantially > correct. > > - Andy Ah yes, quite right (after I pulled it out to have a re-listen). Actualy, White Zone's one big sub-standard extended HW noise, and one of their worst albums, in my opinion. I don't know whether they were aiming at it being a "techno" album, but Nik's done it a billion times better. -Max Wilcox From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Mon Nov 4 04:15:59 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 09:15:59 -0000 Subject: OFF: Shooting stars Message-ID: Jon, We must be on the same wavelength. The bear-on-a-rope bit was THE funniest thing I think I have ever seen. The use of Ryvita for woodwork was also vastly amusing as was most of the rest of the show. Ah, no no no, the funniest thing was actually the Roger Whitaker impression. I am laughing now having thought about it again. Mike P. (Uvavu) Anyone see "Shooting Stars" last night? Now *that's* funny. 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Hawkwind (in Brock/Davey/Chadwick mode) do a techno-ish album under an assumed name to avoid alienating the bulk of the fan base worse than _IITBOTFTBD_ already had ;) > Oh yeah, was the inclusion of "Love in Space" on the "Alien 4" vinyl the > only difference between that and the CD release? Yes and no ;) The track included on the vinyl release of _Alien 4_ was in fact called "Space Sex" and that was the only difference between the vinyl and CD releases. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From lansford at VNET.NET Mon Nov 4 06:59:22 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:59:22 GMT Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL In-Reply-To: <327A6240.1B4B@digital.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, Shawn Quinn wrote: >Subj: New Album >Date: 96-11-01 15:10:17 EST >From: OYSTRBOY > >[...] >we haven't decided on a title yet, but the one sticking the most >right now is "Ezekiel's Wheel" Heh. An image both mystical and von Danikenish. I like. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Political campaigns have about them the same excitement as a prizefight. Campaigns, however, are not nearly as orderly as professional boxing matches. - Ansolabehere and Iyengar -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 4 09:47:37 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 09:47:37 EST Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma and Mutation Message-ID: Jason sez: > I was just listening to the 2nd LP for the umpteenth time and I notices > something which may or may not has been a topic of discourse: > > Buck's solos are so choopy and angular on this compared to almost > everything else he's recorded. Particularly the "indian" solo in Hot > Rails, 7 screaming.., > and most notably, in my opinion on Quicklime Girl. > > Has any reason ever been given for this strange one-shot shift from the fluid > soloing we all know and are awestruck by? Although, I must admit it does > fit the overall feel of the LP very well- that full yet thin sound of > stings strings and more strings.. > > Bolts of ungodly vision, > Jason On the first couple of albums, BD's solos were put together in pieces, punched in and out to patch things up. By ST, he had gained considerable confidence as a mucicain and, no doubt, aided by the non- stop touring in support of the first 2 records. By then, he was much more likely to complete solos in a single take, or at least had gotten better at punching in and out. Also to blame is the relatively unsophisticated recording techniques employed on the first couple of albums [although I think this actually contributes to the slightly claustrophobic sound at times] theo From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Mon Nov 4 09:56:12 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 14:56:12 -0000 Subject: FW: UNDERGROUND ZERO & LLOYD-LANGTON GROUP Message-ID: Can anyone help this guy/girl ? Andy C ---------- From: JETAGG at aol.com Sent: 04 November 1996 14:45 To: acobley at mic.dundee.ac.uk Subject: Re: UNDERGROUND ZERO & LLOYD-LANGTON GROUP Hi,Thanks for the reply.I'm trying to find out what releases these groups have had and where I might be able to get them and at what price.Thanks. John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 4 10:26:15 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 15:26:15 GMT Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma and Mutation Message-ID: On m?n 4 nov 1996 09.47 "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" wrote: > Also to blame is the > relatively unsophisticated recording techniques employed on the first > couple of albums [although I think this actually contributes to the > slightly claustrophobic sound at times] Man, but I hate the sound on the first few albums--though the music is great. It's _so_ thin! Now if they'd played those same songs but come out with a sound more like Sabbath (or Hawkwind :) was getting around the same time--thicker and heavier--that would have been great. IMO, of course :) Oh, for a recording of "Stairway to the Stars" that really _thundered_. Despite the fearsome recording quality, I think I still like the _Live 1976_ "Stairway" better than the studio version simply because it is much more agressive and virbrant sounding. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Nov 4 06:36:51 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:36:51 +0000 Subject: Love in Space continued Message-ID: Jed Levin wrote: > > Thanks for the responses RE: "Alien 4" and "Love in Space." I saw a copy > of White Zone today, and the song "Love in Space" *is* on it. My next > question is, what is "White Zone?" I forget the band name on it, but it > was obviously a Brock Hawkwind offshoot of some kind. You see, I'm > relying on the Collector's Guide that came with my copy of "Warriors on > the Edge of Time" and a couple of webpages for my discographic info, and > they all seem to end after The Business Trip CD came out. SO it's up to > you folks to fill in the holes for me! If anyone can post a discography > of everything (full albums at least) after The Business Trip, that'd be > WAY helpfull... > > Oh yeah, was the inclusion of "Love in Space" on the "Alien 4" vinyl the > only difference between that and the CD release? > the whitezone is alan,richard,and dave. it is an electronic techno thingy.the love in space found here is not the same song. the love in space found on the alien ep is a live version,i think. i do not believe there is a studio ver. yet. rj From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Mon Nov 4 12:13:16 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Jason Scruton) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:13:16 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma and Mutation Message-ID: Ted and Carl wrote, >> Also to blame is the >> relatively unsophisticated recording techniques employed on the first >> couple of albums [although I think this actually contributes to the >> slightly claustrophobic sound at times] I think that clausterphobic sound you describe is in some ways what helped add to their mysterious, evil early image (especially with those 1st 2 LP covers and the all leather Eric Bloom fomr those days) (could you imagina an eric bloom action figure in leather gear(not forgetting the cape :))? could come with the leather whip he mentions in live diz busters and that pack of canines in ST hehe) > Now if they'd played those same songs but come out with a sound more like >>Sabbath (or Hawkwind :) was getting around the same time--thicker and >>heavier--that would have been great. IMO, of course :) Of course...but then again it's that bassless sound (reminds me of MC5's Back in the USA) which I think helped distinguish them from being stick on the Black Sabbath wanna be wagon. (Though you are correct in that they are woefully recorded by "the demonic duo") > Oh, for a recording of "Stairway to the Stars" that really _thundered_. > Despite the fearsome recording quality, I think I still like the _Live >1976_ "Stairway" better than the studio version simply because it is much >more agressive and virbrant sounding. Indeed. That smooth "jive solo" before Buck kicks into high gear on the LP version just sets it up to rock loud and like a giant juggernaut of "we're bad and this is why" attituted the song exudes. The Live 76 1st middle solo aslo ROCKS until that odd scale thing Buck did. but hey, he IS the Master after all. I think SP and MK, when mixing T&M and ST's songs together were trying for that "Sgt. Peppers" kind of continuity. Just a thought. I think it's your mind, Jason From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 4 11:15:38 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:15:38 +0000 Subject: HW: Love in Space continued In-Reply-To: <327DD553.5189@erols.com> Message-ID: Look, folks, can we get this sorted? Love in Space on the Whitezone CD is not LiS on LiS, this we know; is there anyone who knows whether LiS from LiS = Space Sex from A4. This seems to be all we haven't worked out yet. Yours, Jon /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Mon Nov 4 11:27:23 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 10:27:23 -0600 Subject: Web page check Message-ID: To all listmembers, I have changed the code that seemed to be causing the javascript errors with IExplorer and would like some of you to check it and report back if you are still getting the same problems. I've also put up a text-only version, automated from a Perl script. Yours with thanks, Star Rats From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 4 12:00:20 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:00:20 GMT Subject: HW: Love in Space continued Message-ID: On m?n 4 nov 1996 16.15 "Jon Jarrett" wrote: > Look, folks, can we get this sorted? Love in Space on the > Whitezone CD is not LiS on LiS, this we know; is there anyone who knows > whether LiS from LiS = Space Sex from A4. This seems to be all we haven't > worked out yet. "Space Sex" is not the same as, or even apparently related to, "Love in Space". There. We're sorted :) Now for the next question: Where the heck is the "LiS" single that was going to have "Lord of Light" on it? And is there any word on the progress with _Live 1974_. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 4 12:08:26 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:08:26 -0500 Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL Message-ID: >we haven't decided on a title yet, but the one sticking the most >right now is "Ezekiel's Wheel" O.K., I don't have my Bible handy at work - but isn't this a Biblical reference? I'm not up on my Old Testament too much, but I seem to remember some sort of song about Ezekiel and some wheel (and the line "way up in the middle of the Earth" - think it might be a Negro spiritual song). Anyone got any insight there? I do know Ezekiel was a prophet. John From FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG Mon Nov 4 12:16:20 1996 From: FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG (DAVID FURST) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:16:20 CST Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL Message-ID: Ezekials Wheel is a reference to a vision had by the prophet Ezekial in which he saw a huge and complex wheel in the sky (I think) that many point out sounds very suspicioulsy like a description of a UFO - even based on original language translation of his description. That's it in a nutshell - so it fits well with the BOC motif of space visitors. Those more schooled in biblical things please feel free to correct my interepretation this if it is in error. (I wonder if there were three guys in black suits who showed up later to have a little chat with 'zekial?) DaveF From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Nov 4 12:28:13 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:28:13 +0100 Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL Message-ID: At 12:08 1996-11-04 -0500, you wrote: >>we haven't decided on a title yet, but the one sticking the most >>right now is "Ezekiel's Wheel" > > >O.K., I don't have my Bible handy at work - but isn't this a Biblical >reference? I'm not up on my Old Testament too much, but I seem to >remember some sort of song about Ezekiel and some wheel (and the line >"way up in the middle of the Earth" - think it might be a Negro >spiritual song). Anyone got any insight there? I do know Ezekiel >was a prophet. what did the old man see in the desert? a Space Vehicle? was he Abducted by Aliens? or was the vision just a result of to much inhaling of "Hassan I Sahba"? >John \\joe From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 4 13:06:41 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:06:41 EST Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL Message-ID: John sez: > > >we haven't decided on a title yet, but the one sticking the most > >right now is "Ezekiel's Wheel" > > > O.K., I don't have my Bible handy at work - but isn't this a Biblical > reference? I'm not up on my Old Testament too much, but I seem to > remember some sort of song about Ezekiel and some wheel (and the line > "way up in the middle of the Earth" - think it might be a Negro > spiritual song). Anyone got any insight there? I do know Ezekiel > was a prophet. > > John What, no Pulp Fiction fans out there? Sam. Jackson's [no kin] incredible monologue quotes from 'Zeke.' But no mention of spaceships etc. theo From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Mon Nov 4 13:03:13 1996 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:03:13 E Subject: OFF: Motorhead review/interview Message-ID: I agree whole heartedly... I woke up this morning feeling lousy but reading that interview made my day a thousand times brighter. thanx, bryan From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Mon Nov 4 13:09:38 1996 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:09:38 E Subject: Alien 4 Message-ID: Isnt Love in Space an instrumental on "the White Zone???? From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Mon Nov 4 13:08:03 1996 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:08:03 E Subject: More Space Bandits Talk Message-ID: Chuck said: "Hmmm...but what's so funny about "Mommy,Daddy said to me, 'get a job'" But have you ever read the lyrics to Flying Doctor? surely that is in the humour catagory! An outback "flying doctor" 'chewing it on out! the jawe harp makes it for me. cu bryan pitkin at ac.marywood.edu From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Nov 4 14:03:55 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 19:03:55 UT Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL Message-ID: Ezekiel's vision is indeed an old favourite with ancient astronaut enthusiasts. I recall an old "science" article in Analog, called something like "The Spaceships of Ezekiel", that may even have pre-dated _Chariots of the Gods?_. ('Course, _Analog_ used to run all sorts of fringe science stuff, notoriously Dianetics and the Dean Drive.) - Andy From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 4 12:44:08 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:44:08 +0000 Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL In-Reply-To: <199611041708.MAA13652@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: In message <199611041708.MAA13652 at mbunix.mitre.org>, John A Swartz writes >>we haven't decided on a title yet, but the one sticking the most >>right now is "Ezekiel's Wheel" > > >O.K., I don't have my Bible handy at work - but isn't this a Biblical >reference? I'm not up on my Old Testament too much, but I seem to >remember some sort of song about Ezekiel and some wheel (and the line >"way up in the middle of the Earth" - think it might be a Negro >spiritual song). Anyone got any insight there? I do know Ezekiel >was a prophet. > >John Ezekiel saw a wheel of fire in the sky. He thought it was God but we all know now it was just a flying saucer. :)) It's believed by some to be the first UFO sighting. -- Jon Browne From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Nov 4 12:46:47 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:46:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: WAS :Re: HW: Love in Space (FOR jon) Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > > Look, folks, can we get this sorted? Love in Space on the > Whitezone CD is not LiS on LiS, this we know; is there anyone who knows > whether LiS from LiS = Space Sex from A4. This seems to be all we haven't > worked out yet. Yours, > Jon > jon,please show a little patience! im on erols,for chissakes! this means that i get my mail all out of order,sometimes dont get it till two weeks later. im sure nearly everyone who posts to this list has annoyed everyone else at some time. i dont mean this as a flame,just an explanation. rj From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 4 16:55:37 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 21:55:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: WAS :Re: HW: Love in Space (FOR jon) In-Reply-To: <327E2C07.6C92@erols.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, SKARSOL wrote: > Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > > Look, folks, can we get this sorted? Love in Space on the > > Whitezone CD is not LiS on LiS, this we know; is there anyone who knows > > whether LiS from LiS = Space Sex from A4. This seems to be all we haven't > > worked out yet. Yours, > > Jon > > > > jon,please show a little patience! im on erols,for chissakes! > this means that i get my mail all out of order,sometimes dont get it > till two weeks later. > im sure nearly everyone who posts to this list has annoyed everyone else > at some time. i dont mean this as a flame,just an explanation. rj Sorry - I have this damn dissertation on the screen before me and I'm tired of writing the damn thing. Some syrplus fatigue slipped over into the mail window, I think. Listserv distributes stuff to me in a very odd order too. But noone seemed to be coming up with an answer to the question. Has anyone got the vinyl A4? Yours all apologetically, Jon /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Nov 4 17:01:33 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 08:01:33 +1000 Subject: More Space Bandits Talk Message-ID: Bryan Pitkin wrote: > > Chuck said: "Hmmm...but what's so funny about "Mommy,Daddy said to me, > 'get a job'" But have you ever read the lyrics to Flying Doctor? > surely that is in the humour catagory! > An outback "flying doctor" 'chewing it on out! > the jawe harp makes it for me. Actually, I'm not sure how many people have noticed this, but the lyrics to this song are taken almost directly from one of William Burroughs' most quoted bits from Naked Lunch. The Doctor Benway section. I agree that this is bloody hilarious - as is much else of the book. The only diference is that the song has been but in an "Ausie" context. This fact has reminded me of several things I've been thinking about for a couple of days. The first is regarding the comedy HW songs. Calvert. That's all that needs to be said on this topic. Well, maybe not. Calvert has some "falling on the floor" funny songs (at least in my belief) - such as Moonshine in the Mountains, and all of Captain Lockheed, to name just a few. The other point is the ammount of Burroughs influence in Calvert's stuff. There's Hassan i Sabbah, Flying Doctor, Orgone Accumulator, to name a few off the top of my head. Can't recall if there's any more, but it seems that he was a bit of a Burroughs fan. I don't realy blame him. -Max Wilcox From stayer at PI.NET Mon Nov 4 22:31:26 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 19:31:26 PST Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL Message-ID: >>we haven't decided on a title yet, but the one sticking the most >>right now is "Ezekiel's Wheel" And how am I supposed to pronounce this in English? Jerry From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 4 17:26:07 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 22:26:07 +0000 Subject: HW: More Space Bandits Talk In-Reply-To: <327E67BD.2980@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: x Max Wilcox talking about `The Naked Lunch' being used by Calvert forces me to remind everyone that the same book gave the name to one of my other favourite bands, Steely Dan. I quote Jeff Baxter, "`Steely Dan' is a huge steam-powered hydraulic dildo in the William Boroughs book `The Naked Lunch'. We thought it'd make a good name for a rock band." This is the only Steely Dan/Hawkwind connection I'm ever likely to find, so I thought I'd make the best of it ;-) Jon /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 4 17:26:33 1996 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:26:33 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma and Mutation Message-ID: >Jason sez: >> Buck's solos are so choopy and angular on this compared to almost .... >> Has any reason ever been given for this strange one-shot shift from the fluid Then Theo sez: >On the first couple of albums, BD's solos were put together in >pieces, punched in and out to patch things up. By ST, he had gained >considerable confidence as a mucicain and, no doubt, aided by the non- >stop touring in support of the first 2 records. By then, he was much >more likely to complete solos in a single take, or at least had >gotten better at punching in and out. Also to blame is the >relatively unsophisticated recording techniques employed on the first >couple of albums [although I think this actually contributes to the >slightly claustrophobic sound at times] Nice try but I think not. As the albums progressed (excepting the live ones) BD did much more piecing together of solos, at least while I was there. FOUO has extensive multiple take solos, expecially BFY and VOTPW. The first 2 albums had hardly any multi-take solos because there weren't any spare tracks. BOC was made on an 8 track and T&M, a 16 track. Almost all of the solos were done in one take. Most likely was the fact that he didn't have a style down then and was flirting with all kinds of country, jazz, blues, indian, bluegrass and other non-sequiturs and he was avidly encouraged to do this by the dynamic duo. Al From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Nov 4 18:05:26 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:05:26 +1000 Subject: HW: More (literary) Bandits Talk Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > > x Max Wilcox talking about `The Naked Lunch' being used by Calvert > forces me to remind everyone that the same book gave the name to one of my > other favourite bands, Steely Dan. I quote Jeff Baxter, "`Steely Dan' is a > huge steam-powered hydraulic dildo in the William Boroughs book `The Naked > Lunch'. We thought it'd make a good name for a rock band." > This is the only Steely Dan/Hawkwind connection I'm ever likely > to find, so I thought I'd make the best of it ;-) > Jon And, if what I've read is to be believed, the term Heavy Metal was used as a musical destinction from a character in a Burroughs book, the Heavy Metal Kid, I believe. It was then used by someone in the soundtrack from Easy Rider, in Born to Be Wild, and the rest is then history. Here endeth the lesson. -Max Wilcox From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 4 18:26:33 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:26:33 +0000 Subject: HW: More (literary) Bandits Talk In-Reply-To: <327E76B6.606E@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Max Wilcox wrote: > And, if what I've read is to be believed, the term Heavy Metal was used > as a musical distinction from a character in a Burroughs book, the Heavy > Metal Kid, I believe. It was then used by someone in the soundtrack from > Easy Rider, in Born to Be Wild, and the rest is then history. > Here endeth the lesson. > -Max Wilcox Although the liner notes to BOC's `Career of Evil' say it was Sandy Pearlman invented the term. But then, they _would_, wouldn't they? I prefer the Burroughs link. Right, I'll stop now as well... Jon /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 4 18:52:34 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:52:34 GMT Subject: HW: Love in Space vs Space Sex In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:00:20 GMT Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > Look, folks, can we get this sorted? Love in Space on the > > Whitezone CD is not LiS on LiS, this we know; is there anyone who knows > > whether LiS from LiS Space Sex from A4. This seems to be all we > haven't > > worked out yet. > > "Space Sex" is not the same as, or even apparently related to, "Love in > Space". > > There. We're sorted :) Ah well - I guess it's time to stir things up a wee bit.......... ok - I've just done some listening and this is how my first suggested entry for the updated Codex will look. Space Sex 1 Alienn4 [vinyl version only] Love In Space 1 White Zone 2* Love In Space CD and vinyl * version 2 contains an edited segment of version 1 as an instrumental section. ============================================= IMO the version 2 Love in Space has, I'm fairly sure, grown out of Space Sex [if you'll excuse the pun] - the mood and feel of the tracks are very similar but they are quite different and I'd not feel confident in relating them in the Codex. Alan Davey's instrumental version 1 LiS on White Zone has been edited right down to a couple of minutes, speeded up and had extra instruments added over the top - nonetheless the distinctive sound of his track is clearly still there in the instrumental section of version 2 Love In Space between the two sets of vocals. So I'd be inclined to connect the two versions by a comment although numbering them separately. other opinions anyone? > Now for the next question: Where the heck is the "LiS" single that wa= > s > going to have "Lord of Light" on it? And is there any word on the progre= > ss > with _Live 1974_. Wish I had an answer to these as well! Anyone? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Nov 4 19:21:29 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:21:29 -0700 Subject: On Tour Forever! Gone! In-Reply-To: <199611011906.OAA25498@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > The "On Tour Forever" Website has moved to: > > http://members.gnn.com/mileskb/boc/index.html > > > John > Thanks!! Was wondering where it went!! Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Mon Nov 4 21:36:52 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:36:52 -0800 Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Jerry wrote: > >>we haven't decided on a title yet, but the one sticking the most > >>right now is "Ezekiel's Wheel" > > And how am I supposed to pronounce this in English? > > Jerry > Something along the lines of: EE-ZEEK-EE-ILLs Wheel 'Scuse the mangled English -Passerby in Times Square From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Mon Nov 4 22:26:14 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 13:26:14 +1000 Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL Message-ID: I wonder if they know about the band called Ezekiel's Wheel, who seem to have just released their first (self-titled?) CD. I didn't until a few minutes ago ;) Not knowing what E's Wheel was, I searched for it and stumbled onto the band's home page. "Retro-Progressive Christian Rock", they say. Try http://www.access.digex.net/~justgus/ezekiel/ Peter. At 11:59 AM 4/11/96 +0000, Jean wrote: >On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, Shawn Quinn wrote: > >>Subj: New Album >>Date: 96-11-01 15:10:17 EST >>From: OYSTRBOY >> >>[...] >>we haven't decided on a title yet, but the one sticking the most >>right now is "Ezekiel's Wheel" > >Heh. An image both mystical and von Danikenish. > >I like. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "And sometimes I say things I shouldn't, Like..." - Warren Zevon From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Nov 5 02:26:34 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 02:26:34 -0500 Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL Message-ID: >>>we haven't decided on a title yet, but the one sticking the most >>>right now is "Ezekiel's Wheel" > >And how am I supposed to pronounce this in English? I've always assumed "eh-ZEE-key-elz WEEL", since it has some aliteration to it... but shouldn't it be pronounced in Hebrew, Aramaic, or at the very least Greek or Latin? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Nov 5 02:28:47 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 02:28:47 -0500 Subject: More Space Bandits Talk Message-ID: On 4-NOV-1996 17:05:20.1 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Bryan Pitkin wrote: >The other point is the ammount of Burroughs influence in Calvert's >stuff. There's Hassan i Sabbah, Flying Doctor, Orgone Accumulator, to >name a few off the top of my head. Can't recall if there's any more, but >it seems that he was a bit of a Burroughs fan. >I don't realy blame him. >-Max Wilcox What is the connection between William Burrough's and these songs, I wonder? Not too familiar with Burrough's, except I've read the beginning of the Soft Machine. Seemed kinda pointless and pretty difficult... Chuck `[1;30;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Tue Nov 5 04:54:38 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:54:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: Voivod Message-ID: >I bought a tape of theirs at a used record store a few years back, >"Killing Technology", I think it was. 'Twas a little to thrashy for me. >What kind of sounds has their music gone through? > >-Pete > Voivod are cool - they started off real thrashy, but mellowed out after awhile, becoming more progressive. I'd definetly call them 'Space Rock', especially parts of Angel Rat and Outer Limits. They also did a couple of Pink Floyd covers. Christian -------------------------------------------------------------- "I am not as much a vegetable as everything is vegetable soup" Christian Mumford From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Tue Nov 5 05:12:07 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:12:07 GMT Subject: OFF: Billy Connolly (ish) Message-ID: Hi, Did anyone in the U.K. catch Billy Connollys *World Tour of Australia* last night? There was some guy busking with home made instruments and effects units which were all run from a solar cell on his hat. Anyway the point of this is that his music sounded like a really blanga HW jam. Did anyone catch his name? I missed it as I was too busy being blown away by the music! Chris Bates From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 5 04:21:31 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:21:31 +0000 Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >Ezekiel's vision is indeed an old favourite with ancient astronaut >enthusiasts. I recall an old "science" article in Analog, called something >like "The Spaceships of Ezekiel", that may even have pre-dated _Chariots of >the Gods?_. ('Course, _Analog_ used to run all sorts of fringe science stuff, >notoriously Dianetics and the Dean Drive.) > >- Andy What's the Dean Drive? -- Jon Browne From a.wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Tue Nov 5 05:38:07 1996 From: a.wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Andrew Fergus Wilson) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:38:07 -0000 Subject: Web page check Message-ID: > I have changed the code that seemed to be causing the > javascript errors with IExplorer and would like some of you to check it and > report back if you are still getting the same problems. > Yours with thanks, > Star Rats yep, no problem at all now: nice one andrwe andrew f wilson "up and down round and round centre for social research story of my life" - Inner City Unit university of derby a.wilson at derby.ac.uk zedspace at geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/6368 From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Nov 5 05:38:12 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:38:12 UT Subject: Love in Space vs Space Sex Message-ID: >Alan Davey's instrumental version 1 LiS on White Zone has been >edited right down to a couple of minutes, speeded up and had extra >instruments added over the top - nonetheless the distinctive sound of >his track is clearly still there in the instrumental section of >version 2 Love In Space between the two sets of vocals. So I'd be >inclined to connect the two versions by a comment although numbering >them separately. > >other opinions anyone? Hmm... I know the bit you mean, but the tempo is about twice as fast, and it's just a fairly standard walking bass line... My take is that the "distinctive" sound is just Alan's own style. Also, I know that credits don't always count for a lot on HW albums, but I'm surprised, if that is so, that "Lis" version 2 is credited to Brock alone and not Brock/Davey. I mean, I can spot that Whigfield's "Saturday Night" is just "Fog on the Tyne", and Elastica's "Waking Up" is "No More Heroes" (I think both of these ended up paying royalties), but this one I just don't get. If it weren't for the titles, I don't think anyone would make the link. It does recycle a lyric from "25 Years", though! (Live, I thought they were actually going to segue into "25 Years", and I was a bit disappointed.) Still, I'm glad I'm not the only one old-fashioned enough to think love and sex are two different things :) - Andy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Tue Nov 5 07:16:39 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:16:39 +1000 Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL In-Reply-To: <199611041708.MAA13652@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: [B On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > >we haven't decided on a title yet, but the one sticking the most > >right now is "Ezekiel's Wheel" > > > O.K., I don't have my Bible handy at work - but isn't this a Biblical > reference? I'm not up on my Old Testament too much, but I seem to > remember some sort of song about Ezekiel and some wheel (and the line > "way up in the middle of the Earth" - think it might be a Negro > spiritual song). Anyone got any insight there? I do know Ezekiel > was a prophet. > > John > OK, To clear up a little on the whole Ezekiel thing here goes. First, yes, he was a prophet in the Old testament times, who was prophesying during the Babylonian exile and was exiled himself in 597 BC. He was a priest of the Old Covenant, and therefore was a Levite. This particular vision in question (In Chapter 1) probably to be dated in the year 593 BC. The background to his prophetic ministry is Judah's (Southern state of Isreal) apostasy following the death of the last good King, Josiah, in 609 BC. The vision that Ezekiel has in itself has many different symbols. These symbols speak to the reader of God's majesty and powerful workings across the world. To best understand them one must be entirely familiar with the study of biblical hermeneutics, with particular reference to prophetic/apocalyptic literature. This is why many misunderstand the meaning. Von Daniken (Sp?) is one of those. Ezekiel's wheel is part of a vision revealing God, not a flying saucer. Even though Eric Von D. is entitled to his opinion, it does not deal with the text and at best is fanciful. The wheel represents, according to biblical orthodoxy, moving and working. In the vision it shows in symbolic form this attribute of God. Hope that helps. Troy From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Tue Nov 5 06:25:55 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 12:25:55 +0100 Subject: More Xenon Codex Talk Message-ID: >In message <01IBCBREXWS295MUYA at delphi.com>, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes >>Hmmm...but what's so funny about "Mommy, daddy said to me 'Get a job'" >>repeating over and over again? Silly but not that funny. :) I think BOC win >>the humour sweepstakes... > >OK it's not bust-a-gut comedy. The "get a job, get a job, get a job" is >pretty apt, I thought at the time. The humour is in the samples like the >snip from "If I Were A Rich Man" followed by sheep bleating, for >instance. Then there's all those Looney Tunes bits at the end. OK it's >not like a joke you can share down the pub but it's not exactly serious >either. And of course, it rocks, there's always that! > Hey, back in college I made this special trip-tape, and I recorded the bouncy cartoon noises (y'know, the spoink-sploing-boing etc...) at the end of that song over and over and over (at least 10-15 times), that, sandwiched between snippets of Floyd's 'Interstellar Overdrive' played backwards ('Overstellar Interdrive'...) and 'rapping' the coughing intro on Black Sabbath's 'Sweet Leaf' back and forth for about 5 minutes at varying speeds made for some pretty bizarre sonic backdrops - We scared all the straight people away from parties with that tape.... As for Space Bandits, I think it's one of Hawkwind's weakest albums, but better than Church of Hawkwind and IITBOTFTBD (the latter which is the all time _worst_). The lyrics to 'Wings' are particularly cringingly bad, absolutely a terrible song (whether it's for a good cause or not...). Xenon is up there in my top 7 1/2 or something. -------------------------------------------------------------- "I am not as much a vegetable as everything is vegetable soup" Christian Mumford From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Tue Nov 5 07:26:05 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:26:05 +1000 Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL In-Reply-To: <199611050726.CAA29099@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >>>we haven't decided on a title yet, but the one sticking the most > >>>right now is "Ezekiel's Wheel" > > > >And how am I supposed to pronounce this in English? > > I've always assumed "eh-ZEE-key-elz WEEL", since it has > some aliteration to it... > > but shouldn't it be pronounced in Hebrew, Aramaic, or at the very least > Greek or Latin? The Hebrew geos something *like* ; ez-ek-kih-ehl or iz-zee-kih-ehl. The Greek and Latin are similar to the English, as far as I can tell. Troy From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Nov 5 06:24:36 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 11:24:36 UT Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL Message-ID: >What's the Dean Drive? As I remember, it was a reactionless drive that used gyroscopes to supposedly break Newton's third law of motion. Pretty much the same idea our very own Eric Laithwaite came up with. There was an Analog cover that showed a US Navy submarine in space - the suggestion being that a submarine was already airtight and self sufficient, just slap a Dean Drive on it and there you go. Funnily enough nothing much came of it. ObHW - "Laithwaite Star Drive" on Simon House's _Yassassim_. See, this is on topic! :) - Andy From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Nov 5 06:59:16 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 11:59:16 UT Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL Message-ID: Troy expounded on >hermeneutics the science of interpretation of Biblical texts. Von Daniken is notoriously crap, of course - he sees a tower, says "doesn't it look just like a spaceship", immediately concludes that the Incas or whoever were spacemen, and brings the whole ancient astronauts thing into immediate disrepute. But the more interesting point is, if Ezekiel really *did* see a spaceship, how would he and the scholars of his time have interpreted it? Possibly, one might hazard, in terms of the imagery we now think of as Biblical? I don't think E. Bloom wants to call the album "Ezekiel's Wheel" to describe a vision of the Hebrew god... - Andy (clearly not too busy today) From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Nov 5 07:56:10 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 12:56:10 +0000 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma and Mutation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Man, but I hate the sound on the first few albums--though the music is > great. It's _so_ thin! Couldn't disagree more! That Tyranny and Mutation sound IS the Blue Oyster Cult as far as I'm concerned. They had already sold out to pop music by the time they got to Agents of Fortune! :-> - Mike Godwin From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Nov 5 09:59:03 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:59:03 +0800 Subject: Love in Space vs Space Sex Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > >Alan Davey's instrumental version 1 LiS on White Zone has been > >edited right down to a couple of minutes, speeded up and had extra > >instruments added over the top - nonetheless the distinctive sound of > >his track is clearly still there in the instrumental section of > >version 2 Love In Space between the two sets of vocals. So I'd be > >inclined to connect the two versions by a comment although numbering > >them separately. > > > >other opinions anyone? > > Hmm... I know the bit you mean, but the tempo is about twice as fast, and it's > just a fairly standard walking bass line... My take is that the "distinctive" > sound is just Alan's own style. Also, I know that credits don't always count > for a lot on HW albums, but I'm surprised, if that is so, that "Lis" version 2 > is credited to Brock alone and not Brock/Davey. > > - Andy Just thought I'd mention something you all know anyway. Most of the stuff on "The Business Trip" was new versions of old tracks, but credited to the current lineup! William From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Tue Nov 5 09:48:06 1996 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:48:06 -0500 Subject: HW: More (literary) Bandits Talk Message-ID: Wow ! Synchronicity cool 8-) I'd just been meaning to post on another HW literary connection I'd found, and indeed it has a Burroughs connection..... In 'On The Road' by Jack Kerouac (legendary book, cornerstone of hte 'Beat' generation) I've just found a reference to an 'Orgone Accumulator' this is in the part where J.K. and Neial Cassady go down to visit William Burroughs at his ranch in Texas (they are all mentioned under pseodonyms in the book). There is a description of the device that Mr Burroughs has in his yard, together with a note from Mr Burroughs that he usually feels a little, well randy I suppose, after using it. SO there you go (I can dig out the exact quote from the book at home). I have to wonder if this is where Bob Calvert got the idea for the song though. Cheers, Steve L. > Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > > x Max Wilcox talking about `The Naked Lunch' being used by Calvert > > forces me to remind everyone that the same book gave the name to one of my > > other favourite bands, Steely Dan. I quote Jeff Baxter, "`Steely Dan' is a > > huge steam-powered hydraulic dildo in the William Boroughs book `The Naked > > Lunch'. We thought it'd make a good name for a rock band." > > This is the only Steely Dan/Hawkwind connection I'm ever likely > > to find, so I thought I'd make the best of it ;-) > > Jon > > And, if what I've read is to be believed, the term Heavy Metal was used > as a musical destinction from a character in a Burroughs book, the Heavy > Metal Kid, I believe. It was then used by someone in the soundtrack from > Easy Rider, in Born to Be Wild, and the rest is then history. > Here endeth the lesson. > -Max Wilcox > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Nov 5 10:40:38 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:40:38 +0800 Subject: HW: More (literary) Bandits Talk Message-ID: Stephen Lindsey wrote: > > Wow ! Synchronicity cool 8-) > > I'd just been meaning to post on another HW literary connection I'd found, and > indeed it has a Burroughs connection..... > > In 'On The Road' by Jack Kerouac (legendary book, cornerstone of hte 'Beat' > generation) I've just found a reference to an 'Orgone Accumulator' this > is in the part where J.K. and Neial Cassady go down to visit William > Burroughs at his ranch in Texas (they are all mentioned under pseodonyms in the > book). There is a description of the device that Mr Burroughs has in his yard, > together with a note from Mr Burroughs that he usually feels a little, well > randy I suppose, after using it. SO there you go (I can dig out the exact quote > from the book at home). I have to wonder if this is where Bob Calvert got the > idea for the song though. > > Cheers, > Steve L. > > > Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > > > > x Max Wilcox talking about `The Naked Lunch' being used by Calvert > > > forces me to remind everyone that the same book gave the name to one of my > > > other favourite bands, Steely Dan. I quote Jeff Baxter, "`Steely Dan' is a > > > huge steam-powered hydraulic dildo in the William Boroughs book `The Naked > > > Lunch'. We thought it'd make a good name for a rock band." > > > This is the only Steely Dan/Hawkwind connection I'm ever likely > > > to find, so I thought I'd make the best of it ;-) > > > Jon > > > > And, if what I've read is to be believed, the term Heavy Metal was > used > > as a musical destinction from a character in a Burroughs book, the Heavy > > Metal Kid, I believe. It was then used by someone in the soundtrack from > > Easy Rider, in Born to Be Wild, and the rest is then history. > > Here endeth the lesson. > > -Max Wilcox > > I saw a documentary on TV some time back, and in this documentary they speak of an actual machine called the Orgone Accumulator. The machine did exist, and apparently did what the song claims it to do! William From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 5 09:57:03 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:57:03 EST Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma and Mutation Message-ID: Albert, taking me to school!: > Then Theo sez: > > >On the first couple of albums, BD's solos were put together in > >pieces, punched in and out to patch things up. By ST, he had gained > >considerable confidence as a mucicain and, no doubt, aided by the non- > >stop touring in support of the first 2 records. By then, he was much > >more likely to complete solos in a single take, or at least had > >gotten better at punching in and out. Also to blame is the > >relatively unsophisticated recording techniques employed on the first > >couple of albums [although I think this actually contributes to the > >slightly claustrophobic sound at times] > > Nice try but I think not. As the albums progressed (excepting the live > ones) BD did much more piecing together of solos, at least while I was > there. FOUO has extensive multiple take solos, expecially BFY and VOTPW. > The first 2 albums had hardly any multi-take solos because there weren't > any spare tracks. BOC was made on an 8 track and T&M, a 16 track. Almost > all of the solos were done in one take. > > Most likely was the fact that he didn't have a style down then and was > flirting with all kinds of country, jazz, blues, indian, bluegrass and > other non-sequiturs and he was avidly encouraged to do this by the dynamic > duo. > Al Fair enough, from the man who was there to see it all go down! And welcome in from lurk mode, Al. I was basing my post on something recalled from distant memory, an interview of BD in Guitar Player from ca. ST. Steve Stills was on the cover, not BD! And BD was speaking about his overall comfort with the recording experience, I guess. He said that with ST, he felt more at ease with his playing [what Al was talking about re. SP/MK's coaxing that he 'broaden'his style?] But anyway, Al, now that you've joined the discussion, how did you get that haunting [haunted?] sound on the first album esp., and also on the less aggressive tunes on T&M? theo From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Nov 5 11:01:25 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 11:01:25 -0500 Subject: HW: More (literary) Bandits Talk In-Reply-To: <327F5FF5.4D1F@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, William Duffy wrote: > I saw a documentary on TV some time back, and in this documentary they > speak of an actual machine called the Orgone Accumulator. The machine > did exist, and apparently did what the song claims it to do! Orgone and the Orgone Accumulator go hand in hand with Dr. Wilhelm Reich. Take a peek in the HW trivia file if'n you don't believe me. :-) He sold orgone accumulators at one time (which led to his downfall), and this is probably where Burroughs picked his up (or perhaps he built one himself from plans). It is more likely Bob was influenced by Reich for this song. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Farflung, _25,000 Feet Per Second_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Tue Nov 5 11:53:15 1996 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 11:53:15 -0500 Subject: HW: More (literary) Bandits Talk In-Reply-To: <327F5FF5.4D1F@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, William Duffy wrote: > Stephen Lindsey wrote: > > > > Wow ! Synchronicity cool 8-) > > > > I'd just been meaning to post on another HW literary connection I'd found, and > > indeed it has a Burroughs connection..... > > > > In 'On The Road' by Jack Kerouac (legendary book, cornerstone of hte 'Beat' > > generation) I've just found a reference to an 'Orgone Accumulator' this > > is in the part where J.K. and Neial Cassady go down to visit William > > Burroughs at his ranch in Texas (they are all mentioned under pseodonyms in the > > book). There is a description of the device that Mr Burroughs has in his yard, > > together with a note from Mr Burroughs that he usually feels a little, well > > randy I suppose, after using it. SO there you go (I can dig out the exact quote > > from the book at home). I have to wonder if this is where Bob Calvert got the > > idea for the song though. > > > > Cheers, > > Steve L. > > > > > Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > > > > > > x Max Wilcox talking about `The Naked Lunch' being used by Calvert > > > > forces me to remind everyone that the same book gave the name to one of my > > > > other favourite bands, Steely Dan. I quote Jeff Baxter, "`Steely Dan' is a > > > > huge steam-powered hydraulic dildo in the William Boroughs book `The Naked > > > > Lunch'. We thought it'd make a good name for a rock band." > > > > This is the only Steely Dan/Hawkwind connection I'm ever likely > > > > to find, so I thought I'd make the best of it ;-) > > > > Jon > > > > > > And, if what I've read is to be believed, the term Heavy Metal was > > used > > > as a musical destinction from a character in a Burroughs book, the Heavy > > > Metal Kid, I believe. It was then used by someone in the soundtrack from > > > Easy Rider, in Born to Be Wild, and the rest is then history. > > > Here endeth the lesson. > > > -Max Wilcox > > > > > I saw a documentary on TV some time back, and in this documentary they > speak of an actual machine called the Orgone Accumulator. The machine > did exist, and apparently did what the song claims it to do! > > William > Yes, that was Wilhelm Reich's life project. Not only were Burroughs and Calvert highly interested in the Orgone Accumulator but also Kate Bush who wrote a song about it, "CloudBusting" on Hounds of Love and The Whole Story compilation. From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Nov 5 12:00:25 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 18:00:25 +0100 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma and Mutation Message-ID: At 12:56 PM 11/5/96 +0000, you wrote: >On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >> Man, but I hate the sound on the first few albums--though the music is >> great. It's _so_ thin! But Mike wrote: >Couldn't disagree more! That Tyranny and Mutation sound IS the Blue Oyster >Cult as far as I'm concerned. They had already sold out to pop music by >the time they got to Agents of Fortune! :-> And I writes: Yep, I agree -and I even think TM has the ultimate (not just BOC but...) HR/HM sound! I can't see anything wrong with pop-music though... I even like Oasis (good band, good songs and lots of BAD attitude...isn't that what it's all about :-) ...but I'm not sure if I want BOC to play pop... -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Nov 5 12:06:01 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 18:06:01 +0100 Subject: OFF:Levitation Message-ID: Hey everybody... I've seen the light!... Read this and you will too... -Daniel > >DOS Airline: Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides, then jump > on and let the plane coast until it hits > the ground again, then push again, jump on again and so on. > > DOS with QEMM Airline: The same thing but with more leg room to push. > > Mac Airline: All the stewards, stewardesses, captains, baggage > handlers, and ticket agents look the same, > act the same, and talk the same. Every time you ask questions about > details, you are told you don't need to know, > don't want to know, and everything will be done for you without you > having to know, so just shut up. > > OS/2 Airline: To board the plane, you have your ticket stamped ten > different times by standing in ten > different lines. Then you fill out a form showing where you want to > sit and whether it should look and feel like an > ocean liner, a passenger train, or a bus. If you succeed in getting on > board the plane and the plane succeeds in > getting off the ground, you have a wonderful trip...except for the > times when the rudder and flaps get frozen in > position, in which case you have time to say your prayers and get > yourself prepared before the crash. > > Windows Airline: The airport terminal is nice and colorful, with > friendly stewards and stewardesses, easy > access to the plane, an uneventful takeoff... then the plane blows up > without any warning whatsoever. > > NT Airline: Everyone marches out on the runway, says the password in > unison, and forms the outline of an > airplane. Then they all sit down and make a whooshing sound like > they're flying. > > Unix Airline: Everyone brings one piece of the plane with them when > they come to the airport. They all go > out on the runway and put the plane together piece by piece, arguing > constantly about what kind of plane they're > building. "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 5 12:20:42 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:20:42 GMT Subject: Love in Space vs Space Sex In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:59:03 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > Just thought I'd mention something you all know anyway. Most of the > stuff on "The Business Trip" was new versions of old tracks, but > credited to the current lineup! > I think (hope!) this is more or less reflected in the Codex where the tracks show up either under their appropriate origins or cross-referenced back to them e.g. Processed and Camera That Could Lie or Wastelands and Wastelands of Sleep (featuring a similar type of re-arrangement of material to that of Love In Space since Wastelands the track is an expanded version of the short instrumental section in Wastelands of Sleep). cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Nov 5 14:08:39 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Jason Scruton) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:08:39 -0500 Subject: BOC:de ol' pop/rock broo ha h (a shade of "Dharma and Mutation" postings) Message-ID: > Mike wrote: >>Couldn't disagree more! That Tyranny and Mutation sound IS the Blue Oyster >>Cult as far as I'm concerned. They had already sold out to pop music by >>the time they got to Agents of Fortune! :-> >And [Daniel] writes: >Yep, I agree -and I even think TM has the ultimate (not just BOC but...) >HR/HM sound! >I can't see anything wrong with pop-music though..[oasis reference >deleted, >but not because of any bias for/against them]...but I'm not sure >if I want BOC >to play pop... As the stormclouds on the horizon indicate, this resurrects the time honored question of "what be pop?" Concerning BOC and pop, they did play pop songs on occasion, but in a very original way, which allowed "pop's" definition to be smudged , as in the existence of Metallica in popular music scenes (after all, music can't help itself for being good AND purchased by the a decent size of the public. it just happnes that way). The musicality of the band, in all its incarnations , is such that I don't think the music it produced would have been as enjoyable if it was forced to stayed within the "Hello-we-are-mysterious-evil-bandsmen- from-afar.Prepare-to-rock-or-else" formula of the 1st 3 LPs. Though I think even in the 1st 3 you can feen to tugging away when you get to ST... Throwing fuel on the fire of unknown origin, (burn baby burn..oyster inferno! ... somehow I dont think so) Jason From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Nov 5 14:10:13 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 05:10:13 +1000 Subject: OFF: Billy Connolly (ish) Message-ID: Chris Bates wrote: > > Hi, > > Did anyone in the U.K. catch Billy Connollys *World Tour > of Australia* last night? There was some guy busking > with home made instruments and effects units which were > all run from a solar cell on his hat. Anyway the point > of this is that his music sounded like a really blanga > HW jam. Did anyone catch his name? I missed it as I was > too busy being blown away by the music! > > Chris Bates Did this guy have a didgeredoo? (or however you spell the word...) -Max Wilcox From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Nov 5 14:22:05 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 05:22:05 +1000 Subject: More Space Bandits Talk Message-ID: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > > On 4-NOV-1996 17:05:20.1 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > >Bryan Pitkin wrote: > >The other point is the ammount of Burroughs influence in Calvert's > >stuff. There's Hassan i Sabbah, Flying Doctor, Orgone Accumulator, to > >name a few off the top of my head. Can't recall if there's any more, but > >it seems that he was a bit of a Burroughs fan. > >I don't realy blame him. > >-Max Wilcox > > What is the connection between William Burrough's and these songs, I wonder? > Not too familiar with Burrough's, except I've read the beginning of the Soft > Machine. Seemed kinda pointless and pretty difficult... > > Chuck Well, Hassan i Sabbah is the Arab chap who started the assassins in the middle ages, I think. They ate hash all the time thus calling them the Hashhishans or somethin like that. Burroughs got his catchphrase from him "nothing is true, everything is permitted". The Orgone Accumulator is mentioned in heaps of Burroughs' books, and the plans are available, as well as the "dream machine" which is in effect a light that flashes at a certain frequency that replicates a certain wave pattern in the brain, and brings on halucinations. (An interesting note is that Kurt Cobain and some other silly teen idol, I think from Hole or 4 non blondes, or whatever their name is, whichever ones killed themselves, and all of them used this dream machine. Cooh, I hope it's a plan of Burroughs' to wipe out all the crap music in the world...) Anyway, back to the topic. Flying Dr is almost word for word Doctor Benway from Naked Lunch. So there you have it. On the topic of the Burroughs books read, definately don't start with the Soft Machine. In fact, the trilogy that is from is in my opinion his lowest point, though it's still bloody amasing when you eventualy get into it. My recomendation is to first ATTEMPT to read Naked Lunch, you may not suceed, then read Junky and Queer, then go back to NL and you'll be on you way. He's certainly worth the effort (at least in my opinion) Anyway, sorry for rambling on, late nights, dont' ya know.... -Max Wilcox From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Nov 5 15:50:34 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 15:50:34 -0500 Subject: More New Album Info from Eric on AOL Message-ID: Posted by Eric on AOL... << Subj: The Wheel Date: 96-11-02 18:06:26 EST From: OYSTRBOY According to A. Lanier's research on Ezekiel's Wheel....the prophet Ezekiel lived in mid-500' B.C. He had a vision that literally knocked him unconcious. The vision was of a cloud approaching with lightning and thunder....In the midst of the cloud was a 4-wheeled chariot, each wheel turning in a different compass direction. The chariot was pulled by 4 beasts, each beast having 4 heads, that of a bull, an eagle, a human and a lion. Sitting on a throne in the chariot was a brass colored humanoid with lightning coming out of his limbs. In the vision, he hands Ezekiel a scroll which contains the "word of God"...and he instructs Ezekiel to eat the scroll, which, strangely tastes sweet like honey. When the vision was over, Ezekiel lay unconcious for a week and spoke to no one for 5 years, never leaving his dwelling. Many have interpreted the vision as an early UFO sighting...Rev. L. Farrakan mentioned it on "Nightline" recently, representing that "Ezekiel's Wheel" was already here, hovering over U.S. cities...referring to huge extraterrestrial ships ( I am paraphrasing the Rev..this is the jist of what he said)... >> Sounds interesting... R. From stayer at PI.NET Tue Nov 5 21:36:28 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 18:36:28 PST Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL Message-ID: >>>>right now is "Ezekiel's Wheel" >>And how am I supposed to pronounce this in English? >I've always assumed "eh-ZEE-key-elz WEEL", since it has >some aliteration to it... In Dutch it would be like "AY-zeh-keels WEEL". There's a lot of words that are written almost the same (including people's names of course), but which are pronounced very differently. Thanks, Jerry From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Nov 6 02:56:16 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 02:56:16 -0500 Subject: More Xenon Codex Talk Message-ID: On 5-NOV-1996 06:29:53.9 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >As for Space Bandits, I think it's one of Hawkwind's weakest albums, but >better than Church of Hawkwind Eh? Chris, let me check your forehead for a fever... :) Chuck `[1;33;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 5 12:50:42 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:50:42 +0000 Subject: OFF : Dean Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >>What's the Dean Drive? > >As I remember, it was a reactionless drive that used gyroscopes to supposedly >break Newton's third law of motion. Pretty much the same idea our very own >Eric Laithwaite came up with. There was an Analog cover that showed a US Navy >submarine in space - the suggestion being that a submarine was already >airtight and self sufficient, just slap a Dean Drive on it and there you go. >Funnily enough nothing much came of it. > >ObHW - "Laithwaite Star Drive" on Simon House's _Yassassim_. See, this is on >topic! :) > >- Andy Anyone fancy that for the next BOC-L project? We could probably pick a sub up pretty cheap these days. :0) -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 6 06:17:18 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:17:18 GMT Subject: More New Album Info from Eric on AOL Message-ID: On tis 5 nov 1996 15.50 wrote: > Posted by Eric on AOL... > In the vision, he hands Ezekiel a scroll which contains the "word of > God"...and he instructs Ezekiel to eat the scroll, which, strangely tastes > sweet like honey. When the vision was over, Ezekiel lay unconcious for a > week and spoke to no one for 5 years, never leaving his dwelling. Was this scroll decorated with little pictures of ..... Naaaaahhhhhh! :) ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 6 06:31:48 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:31:48 GMT Subject: Web page check Message-ID: On m?n 4 nov 1996 10.27 Hawkwind wrote: >I have changed the code that seemed to be causing the >javascript errors with IExplorer and would like some of you to check it and >report back if you are still getting the same problems. >I've also put up a text-only version, automated from a Perl script. It's been said before but should be said again: the good Mr. Rats deserves tremendous accolades for maintaining this site! :) Keep up the good work! Cheers Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Nov 6 07:16:46 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 23:16:46 +1100 Subject: HW: Brocks Dog Message-ID: Hi All, Just heard this little tidbit (and I quote): Brock's dogs eat in the yard...I noticed a bowl with the name "Dougie" on it, I asked Brock if that's where Smith eats when he's there. ;^) He said how they had a dog (dead now) called Dougie, Smith was furious that he'd given his name to a dog.... ;^) Sonique -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... 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William From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 6 05:05:36 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:05:36 +0000 Subject: More Space Bandits Talk In-Reply-To: <327F93DD.1F15@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: In message <327F93DD.1F15 at student.uq.edu.au>, Max Wilcox writes >Kurt Cobain and some other silly teen idol, I >think from Hole or 4 non blondes, or whatever their name is, whichever >ones killed themselves, and all of them used this dream machine. Cooh, I >hope it's a plan of Burroughs' to wipe out all the crap music in the >world...) Ahem! I must just point out a slight innacuracy there. Nirvana were not crap. They did in fact, ROCK! Incidentally, Kurt and Burroughs recorded an album together, so he must have dug Nirvana too:) Hole, I can take or leave. They have one or two excellant numbers. A lot *is* screechy crap tho' ! -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 6 09:16:04 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:16:04 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: More Space Bandits Talk Message-ID: On ons 6 nov 1996 10.05 "Jon Browne" wrote: > Ahem! I must just point out a slight innacuracy there. Nirvana were not > crap. They did in fact, ROCK! Nirvana was very good at catchy riffs, but--gods!--was Cobain a whining malcontent or what? I had difficulty listening to any of the songs without wanting to smack him :) Rather ruined an otherwise entertaining act for me. All IMO, of course. Cheers, Carl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 6 09:42:18 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:42:18 EST Subject: OFF: Re: More Space Bandits Talk Message-ID: >>From Carl: > On ons 6 nov 1996 10.05 "Jon Browne" wrote: > > Ahem! I must just point out a slight innacuracy there. Nirvana were not > > crap. They did in fact, ROCK! > > Nirvana was very good at catchy riffs, but--gods!--was Cobain a whining > malcontent or what? I had difficulty listening to any of the songs without > wanting to smack him :) Rather ruined an otherwise entertaining act for > me. > > All IMO, of course. > > Cheers, > Carl Well, the smack smacked him for ya! But he sure did have his problems and loved singing about them... theo From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Nov 6 10:13:21 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:13:21 -0500 Subject: Talk about a tough crowd (fwd) Message-ID: ----- Forwarded message from another list ----- Possible urban legend, but whatthehell: German rock star GUNTHER DEITZ crashed to his death when peeved fans refused to catch him in a crowd-diving stunt. Heavy metal idol Deitz died instantly as he smashed into the concrete floor after yelling "Catch me!" He regularly stage-dived as a climax to his show, but fans - annoyed he'd turned up an hour late and then sacked his guitarist - stepped out of his way instead of catching him. As he hit the concrete, a roar went round the packed stadium in Hamburg, Germany. Fan EGOR PROSNECKI, 18, said, "He got what he deserved." ----- End of forwarded message from another list ----- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 6 05:08:24 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:08:24 +0000 Subject: More New Album Info from Eric on AOL In-Reply-To: <961105155032_1714026328@emout03.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In message <961105155032_1714026328 at emout03.mail.aol.com>, Rocker22 at AOL.COM writes >According to A. Lanier's research on Ezekiel's Wheel....the prophet Ezekiel >lived in mid-500' B.C. He had a vision that literally knocked him unconcious. > The vision was of a cloud approaching with lightning and thunder....In the >midst of the cloud was a 4-wheeled chariot, each wheel turning in a different >compass direction. The chariot was pulled by 4 beasts, each beast having 4 >heads, that of a bull, an eagle, a human and a lion. Sitting on a throne in >the chariot was a brass colored humanoid with lightning coming out of his >limbs. In the vision, he hands Ezekiel a scroll which contains the "word of >God"...and he instructs Ezekiel to eat the scroll, which, strangely tastes >sweet like honey. When the vision was over, Ezekiel lay unconcious for a >week and spoke to no one for 5 years, never leaving his dwelling. Many have >interpreted the vision as an early UFO sighting...Rev. L. Farrakan mentioned >it on "Nightline" recently, representing that "Ezekiel's Wheel" was already >here, hovering over U.S. cities...referring to huge extraterrestrial ships ( >I am paraphrasing the Rev..this is the jist of what he said)... >> > >Sounds interesting... > >R. Yeah, right, Sounds like every UFO I've ever seen :) -- Jon Browne From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 6 11:05:03 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:05:03 -0500 Subject: More New Album Info from Eric on AOL Message-ID: > The vision was of a cloud approaching with lightning and thunder....In the midst of the cloud was a 4-wheeled chariot, each wheel turning in a different compass direction. The chariot was pulled by 4 beasts, each beast having 4 heads, that of a bull, an eagle, a human and a lion. Sitting on a throne in the chariot was a brass colored humanoid with lightning coming out of his limbs. In the vision, he hands Ezekiel a scroll which contains the "word of God"...and he instructs Ezekiel to eat the scroll, which, strangely tastes sweet like honey. When the vision was over, Ezekiel lay unconcious for a week and spoke to no one for 5 years, never leaving his dwelling. Now THAT would make a very cool album cover! John From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Nov 6 11:04:03 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig A. Shipley) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:04:03 -0500 Subject: Sad Lovers & Giants Message-ID: Isn't this a band name? Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: William Duffy[SMTP:xl5 at IINET.NET.AU] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 1996 8:32 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Sad Lovers & Giants Anybody know what this album is? I have seen the CD listed in a cataloque. Is it a live bootleg? William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1455 bytes Desc: not available URL: From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 6 11:25:02 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:25:02 EST Subject: playin' hookey from les Bonnes Soeurs.. Message-ID: > > The vision was of a cloud approaching with lightning and thunder....In the > midst of the cloud was a 4-wheeled chariot, each wheel turning in a different > compass direction. The chariot was pulled by 4 beasts, each beast having 4 > heads, that of a bull, an eagle, a human and a lion. Sitting on a throne in > the chariot was a brass colored humanoid with lightning coming out of his > limbs. In the vision, he hands Ezekiel a scroll which contains the "word of > God"...and he instructs Ezekiel to eat the scroll, which, strangely tastes > sweet like honey. When the vision was over, Ezekiel lay unconcious for a > week and spoke to no one for 5 years, never leaving his dwelling. > > > Now THAT would make a very cool album cover! > > John Yes it would! The four characters re-appear in the new testament representing the four evangelists, though I don't know which is which... theo From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Nov 6 11:46:06 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 17:46:06 +0100 Subject: BOC: Godzilla cover Message-ID: I've just read the November issue of Kerrang and there was some very interesting news... Fu Manchu has sacked their axe-man and skin-man and the later one has been replaced with ex-Kyuss drummer Brant Bjork... the band has also recorded a Godzilla cover which will be released as a 10" (if I remember things correctly) in the beginning of '97 on the Mans Ruin label. Is this good news or what :-) -Daniel Wikdahl . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Nov 6 13:08:46 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:08:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Brocks Dog Message-ID: >Hi All, > >Just heard this little tidbit (and I quote): > >Brock's dogs eat in the yard...I noticed a bowl with the name "Dougie" >on it, I asked Brock if that's where Smith eats when he's there. ;^) >He said how they had a dog (dead now) called Dougie, Smith was furious >that he'd given his name to a dog.... I suppose this raises the question as to whether the dog's death was an accident.... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Baron Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Nov 6 13:08:48 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:08:48 -0500 Subject: Talk about a tough crowd (fwd) Message-ID: >----- Forwarded message from another list ----- > >Possible urban legend, but whatthehell: > >German rock star GUNTHER DEITZ crashed to his death when peeved fans refused >to catch him in a crowd-diving stunt. Heavy metal idol Deitz died instantly >as he smashed into the concrete floor after yelling "Catch me!" He regularly >stage-dived as a climax to his show, but fans - annoyed he'd turned up an >hour late and then sacked his guitarist - stepped out of his way instead of >catching him. As he hit the concrete, a roar went round the packed stadium >in Hamburg, Germany. Fan EGOR PROSNECKI, 18, said, "He got what he >deserved." Well, that sounds like UL, but I remember one of the guys from Twisted Sister was on Letterman once and told a story in which at some minor venue somone kept throwing bottles at them and one finally hit him, and he got pissed off and stopped the show to ask who threw it. A large guy stood up and yelled that he did it. The TS guy (name escapes me) then leaped out into the crowd hoping they'd catch him so he could get at the guy and in his words, it was like "the red sea parting" and he hit the ground hard. While he was on the ground, the other guy went into a wicked kung fu stance and he ended up tackling him and they were eventually seperated, but I thought it was an amusing anecdote. Sounded like one he'd told many times before, possibly better each time around, but hey, that's what stories are for.... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Baron Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Nov 6 14:50:28 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 20:50:28 +0100 Subject: BOC:de ol' pop/rock broo ha h (a shade of "Dharma and Mutation" postings) Message-ID: At 02:08 PM 11/5/96 -0500, you wrote: >> Mike wrote: >>>Couldn't disagree more! That Tyranny and Mutation sound IS the Blue Oyster >>>Cult as far as I'm concerned. They had already sold out to pop music by >>>the time they got to Agents of Fortune! :-> > >>And [Daniel] writes: >>Yep, I agree -and I even think TM has the ultimate (not just BOC but...) >>HR/HM sound! >>I can't see anything wrong with pop-music though..[oasis reference >>deleted, >but not because of any bias for/against them]...but I'm not sure >>if I want BOC >to play pop... Jason writes: >As the stormclouds on the horizon indicate, this resurrects the time >honored question of "what be pop?" > >Concerning BOC and pop, they did play pop songs on occasion, but in a very >original way, which allowed "pop's" definition to be smudged , as in the >existence of Metallica in popular music scenes (after all, music can't help >itself for being good AND purchased by the a decent size of the public. it >just happnes that way). The musicality of the band, in all its >incarnations , is such that I don't think the music it produced would have >been as enjoyable if it was forced to stayed within the >"Hello-we-are-mysterious-evil-bandsmen- from-afar.Prepare-to-rock-or-else" (Hahaha I like this line Jason... very funny!) >formula of the 1st 3 LPs. Though I think even in the 1st 3 you can feen to >tugging away when you get to ST... > >Throwing fuel on the fire of unknown origin, >(burn baby burn..oyster inferno! ... somehow I dont think so) >Jason > > I writes: Of course you're right... I hope BCC always will make the kind of music they feel like... and not what they think we wants to hear... that kind of behaviour (sp?) of a band often ends up with a big disappointment for everybody... Look at what happened to all bands of the '80?s who suddenly decided to "go grunge"... did anybody succeed??? I don't think so. Or look at what the Big Bad Wolf (aka Glenn Danzig) released last week... a poor effort trying to sound like Ministry... (gosh... I thought the first Danzig LP was really really good but that is also the only one). But I still wants BOC to be heavy! ;-) -Daniel Wikdahl . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Wed Nov 6 15:05:28 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 20:05:28 +0000 Subject: BOC:de ol' pop/rock broo ha h (a shade of "Dharma and Mutation" postings) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961106195028.00917f30@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > Of course you're right... I hope BCC always will make the kind of music they > feel like... and not what they think we wants to hear... that kind of > behaviour (sp?) of a band often ends up with a big disappointment for > everybody... Good English spelling of 'behaviour'. Take no notice of anyone from the US who tries to tell you it has no "u". - Mike Godwin PS Pop music = music with too many backing vocals... From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 6 16:12:16 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 21:12:16 GMT Subject: BOC: Godzilla cover Message-ID: On ons 6 nov 1996 17.46 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > I've just read the November issue of Kerrang and there was some very > interesting news... > Fu Manchu has sacked their axe-man and skin-man and the later one has been > replaced with ex-Kyuss drummer Brant Bjork... the band has also recorded a > Godzilla cover which will be released as a 10" (if I remember things > correctly) in the beginning of '97 on the Mans Ruin label. > Is this good news or what :-) Ack! The Godzilla cover is, but I don't know about the rest! The drummer and lead guitar player were great! (I assume its the lead guitar player they've sacked, since the rhythm player was also the singer). Cheers, Carl From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 6 14:36:45 1996 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 19:36:45 +0000 Subject: HW: Midi Message-ID: We were talking about midi files a few weeks ago. I have just got a midi interface and am working through the manual for Concertware and I have nearly finished Silver Machine (this weekend should probably finish it) I don't want to post it to the list because its not fair on all the people who have no interest in it. I'm not sure its going to be very good but if anybody is interested then if you let me know privately I will send you a copy when I have finished. You might have to bear with me though because I have to work out how to use Eudora on my Mac to attach the file in a readable way for someone else. File is Geneal Midi format and should be quite short. Private study purposes only I dont want to get into a copyright row. Anybody want to recommend any software for the Mac I am not impressed by Concertware - is there anything as good as OctoMed on the Amiga. Cheers David **====================================================================** david at mastmoor.demon.co.uk Don't question authority........ They don't know either. **====================================================================** From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Nov 6 16:18:53 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:18:53 -0500 Subject: BOC:de ol' pop/rock broo ha h (a shade of "Dharma and In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961106195028.00917f30@mailbox.mc.hik.se> from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Nov 6, 96 08:50:28 pm Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl writes: > > poor effort trying to sound like Ministry... (gosh... I thought the first > Danzig LP was really really good but that is also the only one). Produced by Rick Rubin. Until _Ballbreaker_, I don't think he'd ever done a bad album. Steve swann at panix.com From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Nov 7 00:52:20 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:52:20 +1000 Subject: More Space Bandits Talk Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In message <327F93DD.1F15 at student.uq.edu.au>, Max Wilcox > writes > >Kurt Cobain and some other silly teen idol, I > >think from Hole or 4 non blondes, or whatever their name is, whichever > >ones killed themselves, and all of them used this dream machine. Cooh, I > >hope it's a plan of Burroughs' to wipe out all the crap music in the > >world...) > > Ahem! I must just point out a slight innacuracy there. Nirvana were not > crap. They did in fact, ROCK! Incidentally, Kurt and Burroughs recorded > an album together, so he must have dug Nirvana too:) > > Hole, I can take or leave. They have one or two excellant numbers. A lot > *is* screechy crap tho' ! > -- > Jon Browne Ok I won't criticise Nirvana, though they aren't my favorites, but Burroughs never actually never met Kurt, he just did the music for the background in the "The Priest, They Called Him". I believe his does get on quite well with Gus Van Sant, who plays guitar on one of his albums, though. Gee, this seems to be turniong into the Burroughs group.... -Max Wilcox From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Thu Nov 7 04:52:16 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:52:16 -0000 Subject: FW: FW: Talk about a tough crowd (fwd) Message-ID: Well heres more about Gunther, but beware this is from the weekly world news ! Andy C ---------- From: Brian Chapman Sent: 06 November 1996 20:23 Subject: Re: FW: Talk about a tough crowd (fwd) On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Andy C wrote: > > Possible urban legend, but whatthehell: > > German rock star GUNTHER DEITZ crashed to his death when peeved fans refused > to catch him in a crowd-diving stunt. It pays to read the tabloids, Andy. From the Weekly World News, 5 November 1996, p. 15: ANGRY CROWD LETS ROCK STAR DIVE TO HIS DEATH...INSTEAD OF CATCHING HIM! By Randy Jeffries HAMBURG, Germany--The music world is grieving the loss of rock superstar Gunther Deitz who ended his concert and his life when he dove from the stage expecting to be caught in the arms of the crowd--only to have them step away and allow him to smash facefirst into the concrete floor! Few Americans have ever heard Dietz's music. But he was known throughout Europe for his throbbing high-decibel sound and his exciting concert performances. The heavy metal singer-guitarist routinely concluded his shows with a dramatic leap into the mosh pit--the area directly in front of the stage in which fans collide into each other in time to the brain-blasting beat. The adoring audiences would clamor for the privilege of catching him. But on this night--Friday, October 4--things went tragically wrong. The crowd was reportedly angered by Dietz's late start and his replacing of lead guitarist Willy Decker with another player. Dietz's manager and backup band are blaming the fans for the popular singers's brain concussion death. "They knew he'd dive into the pit," said manager Ernst Breiger. "He did it every time he performed and the fans have always caught him. Letting him fall like that can only be called murder." But one audience member who witnessed the tragedy from behind the pit sees things differently. "Gunther got what he deserved," said the 19-year-old spike-haired male. "First of all, he started an hour late. That lame opening act kept coming back for bogus encores. "Then, when Gunther finally wandered onstage his heart wasn't in it. He gave a real lame show. "But the biggest drag about it was that he kicked Willy Decker out of the band and put in that wimpy new guy. Willy's playing used to really kick butt. This guy's solos were as weak as pudding." German authorities are still investigating the incident, but doubt that anyone will be charged. "These hard rock fans are a fickle bunch," said Detective Fritz Krause. "Deitz should never have counted on them." Deitz was 24. He is survived by a sister Lenna, 30, and ex-wife Gerta Deitz, 25. --------------------------- The article features three photographs: a generic shot of a youthful audience; someone completely covered in a body bag and identified as Dietz; and, for no apparent reason, Jimmy Page. Articles about rock stars are not common in the tabloids. This one may have made it in because it shows its protaganist getting his comeuppance. ---------------------------------- S. Elizabeth Bird,*For Enquiring Minds. A Cultural Study of Supermarket Tabloids*. Knoxville, Tenn.: University Of Tennessee,1992, pp.69-70. [*Examiner* editor William Burt] explains that his paper cannot promote "crazy rockers" except for the occasional "oddity" such as Boy George. Michael Jackson, for instance, has received frequent tabloid coverage, apparently much of it originating from his own publicists, largely because his behavior has so often been characterizable as "bizarre." The ocassional venerable rock stars, such as Rod Stewart, may make appearances in the gossip columns, but the main characters in feature coverage are the stars of popular TV shows and movies, particularly prime-time soap operas, game shows, and situation comedies, with frequent appearances by country music stars. [....] Even the *Star*, which tends to cover a wider range of celebrities, including younger ones, draws the line at such people as heavy metal rock musicians. --------------------------- Considering the UL about Gunther Burpus, the hapless fellow who becomes trapped in a cat flap and gets a daffodil stuck up his ass, perhaps it would be wise to be wary of any stories involving Gunthers. Curiously, Brian Chapman From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Nov 7 06:12:11 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:12:11 +0100 Subject: FW: FW: Talk about a tough crowd (fwd) Message-ID: >HAMBURG, Germany--The music world is grieving the loss of rock superstar >Gunther Deitz who ended his concert and his life when he dove from the >stage expecting to be caught in the arms of the crowd--only to have them >step away and allow him to smash facefirst into the concrete floor! > >Few Americans have ever heard Dietz's music. But he was known throughout >Europe for his throbbing high-decibel sound and his exciting concert >performances. anyone heard of this wellknown, but unlucky dude - before this concrete incident? \\throughout european joe From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Nov 7 07:56:13 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 22:56:13 +1000 Subject: More New Album Info from Eric on AOL In-Reply-To: <199611061605.LAA12979@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > > The vision was of a cloud approaching with lightning and thunder....In the > midst of the cloud was a 4-wheeled chariot, each wheel turning in a different > compass direction. The chariot was pulled by 4 beasts, each beast having 4 > heads, that of a bull, an eagle, a human and a lion. Sitting on a throne in > the chariot was a brass colored humanoid with lightning coming out of his > limbs. In the vision, he hands Ezekiel a scroll which contains the "word of > God"...and he instructs Ezekiel to eat the scroll, which, strangely tastes > sweet like honey. When the vision was over, Ezekiel lay unconcious for a > week and spoke to no one for 5 years, never leaving his dwelling. > > > Now THAT would make a very cool album cover! > > John > A-MEN to that!! :) Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Nov 7 08:07:51 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 23:07:51 +1000 Subject: playin' hookey from les Bonnes Soeurs.. In-Reply-To: <1C91F88263D@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 wrote: > > > The vision was of a cloud approaching with lightning and thunder....In the > > midst of the cloud was a 4-wheeled chariot, each wheel turning in a different > > compass direction. The chariot was pulled by 4 beasts, each beast having 4 > > heads, that of a bull, an eagle, a human and a lion. Sitting on a throne in > > the chariot was a brass colored humanoid with lightning coming out of his > > limbs. In the vision, he hands Ezekiel a scroll which contains the "word of > > God"...and he instructs Ezekiel to eat the scroll, which, strangely tastes > > sweet like honey. When the vision was over, Ezekiel lay unconcious for a > > week and spoke to no one for 5 years, never leaving his dwelling. > > > > > > Now THAT would make a very cool album cover! > > > > John > > Yes it would! The four characters re-appear in the new testament > representing the four evangelists, though I don't know which is > which... > theo > Not all scholars agree that this is the proper understanding of the vision in Revelation. Because of the precedent here in Ezekiel, most understand the characters as the aspects of the word of God, in the chief place being the Gospel, and the evangelists are the representatives of that-hence the beginning of the tradition that the characters represent them. FYI, the characters are seen to be of the evangelists thus: The winged man- Matthew The winged lion- Mark The winged ox (bull)- Luke The eagle- John The correlation is from Rev.4:7 Hope this helps Troy From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Nov 7 07:07:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 07:07:00 -0500 Subject: BOC:Fu Manchu Message-ID: I agree with Carl, the drummer Rubin was really good a nice chap. As for the guitarist, he was really good and had a totally unique ound, with all those far out fuzz-space tones... He won't be easy to replace. I am excited to hear the cover of GODZILLA. They did a cool cover of the 70's tune, Chevy Van! Scott ObCs- Fuck you we're from Denmark (comp 1994) From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Nov 7 07:09:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 07:09:00 -0500 Subject: HW- US Tour Message-ID: Chris Bruce told me the other day that Doug Smith has told him a US tour will likely occur in May, based out of Cleveland, but a Boston gig was likely as they had a good booking agent at Mama kin's who has booked the brain surgeons and GONG! He also has e-mail now, but rarely ever checks it or answers, since he does not have his computer at home now. I won't bother giving it out as all it will do is frustrate you.. Scott ObCD- Motorhead- Overnight Sensation (Great lp!) From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Nov 7 08:39:53 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 23:39:53 +1000 Subject: OFF: early scorp's In-Reply-To: <01IBK13YSUKG3G01SM@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> Message-ID: Hey European dudes, Does anybody know if the early Scorpions Album "Lonesome Crow" (aka "Action") has ever been released on CD? Sorry for the off topic but I must have it on CD. Troy ObAll-Time-Best: As above From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 7 09:36:45 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:36:45 EST Subject: OFF: early scorp's Message-ID: > > Hey European dudes, > > Does anybody know if the early Scorpions Album "Lonesome Crow" (aka > "Action") has ever been released on CD? > > Sorry for the off topic but I must have it on CD. > > Troy > > ObAll-Time-Best: As above Can an American answer? I show a listing for a disc version offered by Rampage Records, stock # R2 70915. Anyone ever heard of this label? theo From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Thu Nov 7 09:29:08 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:29:08 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: More Space Bandits Talk Message-ID: Carl wrote: > Nirvana was very good at catchy riffs, but--gods!--was Cobain a whining > malcontent or what? I had difficulty listening to any of the songs without > wanting to smack him :) Rather ruined an otherwise entertaining act for > me. I totally have to agree here. If there's one thing I hate it's whiney rock stars going on about how difficult life is. I want to say to 'em *Loosen up will ya?*. After all they can have whatever they want in life - drugs, drink, fast cars, sex. But it's not enough for some of 'em. Ungrateful bastards. > All IMO, of course. Mine too :-) Chris Bates From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Nov 7 10:30:27 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:30:27 +0000 Subject: OFF: early scorp's In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 07 Nov 1996 23:39:53 +1000." Message-ID: > Hey European dudes, > > Does anybody know if the early Scorpions Album "Lonesome Crow" (aka > "Action") has ever been released on CD? > > Sorry for the off topic but I must have it on CD. Yeah, its been on CD for years, in the UK anyway. Tim ObCD: Black Lung _Silent Weapons for Silent Wars_ --- Fight the UK Handgun Ban - Join the SAGB today From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 7 10:45:32 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 23:45:32 +0800 Subject: Sad Lovers & Giants Message-ID: Craig A. Shipley wrote: > > Isn't this a band name? > > Craig Shipley > craigs at pyramid.com > > ---------- > From: William Duffy[SMTP:xl5 at IINET.NET.AU] > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 1996 8:32 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Sad Lovers & Giants > > Anybody know what this album is? > I have seen the CD listed in a cataloque. Is it a live bootleg? > > William > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Part 1.2 Type: application/ms-tnef > Encoding: base64 The cataloque listed it as a Hawkwind album!!! Also, can someone solve the mystery of a Mr. McManus? On some versions of "Silver Machine", he is credited. I'm sure I read something in a zine or album cover explaining who he is, but I can't find the details therefore I cannot remember what it said. Anyway, I'm sure some other fans out there are interested to know as well! William From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Nov 7 10:50:42 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 10:50:42 -0500 Subject: HW- US Tour Message-ID: In a message dated 96-11-07 09:56:19 EST, you write: > gig was likely as they had a good booking agent at Mama kin's who has > booked the brain surgeons and GONG! > > >From what I have been led to believe, HW does not want to do anymore small clubs (it diminishes the bands presentation). I believe Mama Kins stage is way too small for what HW has in mind for this tour. regards, Bill Stewart From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Nov 7 11:35:54 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 17:35:54 +0100 Subject: Sad Lovers & Giants Message-ID: >> Anybody know what this album is? >> I have seen the CD listed in a cataloque. Is it a live bootleg? >> > >The cataloque listed it as a Hawkwind album!!! can you supply more information, ie catalouge # - what catalouge etc? >Also, can someone solve the mystery of a Mr. McManus? On some versions >of "Silver Machine", he is credited. I'm sure I read something in a zine >or album cover explaining who he is, but I can't find the details >therefore I cannot remember what it said. Anyway, I'm sure some other >fans out there are interested to know as well! S. MacManus is a friend of Dr Technical - a Dave Brock pseudonym. Jamie Mandelkau (from the Deviants) and Linda Steele (mrs Moorcock) is other Hawkwindish pseudonym that Hasbeen used through the years - probably all because of royalty reasons. \\joe >William > > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 7 11:58:37 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 00:58:37 +0800 Subject: Sad Lovers & Giants Message-ID: Johan Edlundh wrote: > > >> Anybody know what this album is? > >> I have seen the CD listed in a cataloque. Is it a live bootleg? > >> > > > >The cataloque listed it as a Hawkwind album!!! > > can you supply more information, ie catalouge # - what catalouge etc? This is where I found it listed http://www.cdteleshop.com/shop?pg=search.html&SID=11502628&UID=GUEST&lang=us&fr=No It's in Holland. I was a it wary about giving these details away in case it was worth getting, and someone else beats me to it, but what the heck. May the best man (or woman) win! William From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Nov 7 12:17:10 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:17:10 -0500 Subject: Web page check In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 11/06/96 at 11:31 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson said: >On m?n 4 nov 1996 10.27 Hawkwind wrote: >>I have changed the code that seemed to be causing the >>javascript errors with IExplorer and would like some of you to check it >>and report back if you are still getting the same problems. >>I've also put up a text-only version, automated from a Perl script. > It's been said before but should be said again: the good Mr. Rats >deserves tremendous accolades for maintaining this site! :) Keep up the >good work! I know it's probably been mentioned numerous times, but what is the URL? Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 7 12:46:58 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 17:46:58 GMT Subject: Web page check Message-ID: On tor 7 nov 1996 12.17 "Jerry Guizar" wrote: > I know it's probably been mentioned numerous times, but what is the > URL? http://www.hawkwind.com Cheers, Carl From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 7 13:21:02 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 18:21:02 +0000 Subject: Sad Lovers & Giants In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19961107173954.05bf9752@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: In message <2.2.16.19961107173954.05bf9752 at eka.ericsson.se>, Johan Edlundh writes >is other Hawkwindish pseudonym that Hasbeen used through the years - probably >all because of royalty reasons. As is Dr. Hasbeen, ironically enough! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 7 13:16:38 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 18:16:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: early scorp's In-Reply-To: <1DF521234FB@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: In message <1DF521234FB at hawk.syr.edu>, "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" writes >> >> Hey European dudes, >> >> Does anybody know if the early Scorpions Album "Lonesome Crow" (aka >> "Action") has ever been released on CD? >> >> Sorry for the off topic but I must have it on CD. >> >> Troy >> >> ObAll-Time-Best: As above > >Can an American answer? I show a listing for a disc version offered >by Rampage Records, stock # R2 70915. Anyone ever heard of this >label? >theo Not the Scorps, please. That git Herman Rarebell ran off with my Mum! (in 73 just before he joined.) For some reason, The mere mention of the Scorpions makes my blood gwan boil up! Mind you he did give me a backstage pass for Donnington the year they played with Bad News and Motorhead. Didn't give me a lift up, tho'. Git. And he dumped her 10 years later, when he got really rich. This is before she started getting of with Ozrics when we did gigs together. And if you think that sounds like bullshit, wait till I tell you about the chap from the Rockin' Vicars (Lemmy's old band) whose I've just found out lives four doors down from me. All true, I swear! -- Jon Browne From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Thu Nov 7 14:44:01 1996 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:44:01 E Subject: HW & Burroughs Message-ID: One final tidbit on Burroughs from one of my friends: Actually, the Orgone Accumulator has less to do with Burroughs and more to do with Wilhelm Rech. Burroughs describes the OrAc briefly in a footnote in The Ticket That Exploded (1963). For info on Reich, see any of the early no-fiction works by RA Wilson, or his own works, Mass Psychology of Fascism being the only one still in print. (All of the Doctor's other writings have been banned since Reich's arrest in 1957). I never noticed the Benway references in Naked Lunch. Maybe I'll have to reread it. It's interesting to note how many late 60's british psychedelic bands were influenced by Burroughs. The Soft Machine immediately comes to mind, but there are others... US Psych bands more often took their influence from Herman Hesse or Aldous Huxley--again proving that the US is, culturally, twenty years behind Britan. Burroughs' influence in the music scene started in the mid 1980's with Sonic Youth, Nirvana, etc. Death Before Dishonor; Drugs Before Lunch. Burn the books kill the priests smash the control images smash the control machine. Rev. I (IANLOHR at ACME.HIGHPOINT.EDU) c/o BRYAN pitkin at ac.marywood.edu From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Nov 7 15:05:12 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 21:05:12 +0100 Subject: Sad Lovers & Giants Message-ID: >> >> Anybody know what this album is? >> >> I have seen the CD listed in a cataloque. Is it a live bootleg? >> >> >> >The cataloque listed it as a Hawkwind album!!! >> >> can you supply more information, ie catalouge # - what catalouge etc? > >This is where I found it listed >http://www.cdteleshop.com/ > >It's in Holland. I was a it wary about giving these details away in case >it was worth getting, and someone else beats me to it, but what the >heck. >May the best man (or woman) win! Artist HAWKWIND Title SAD LOVERS & GIANTS Price (NLG) 32.00 Release date 04/15/96 Format CD Genre P Label - Remarks - CD Cover - never heard of. \\joe >William > > From stayer at PI.NET Thu Nov 7 22:26:40 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:26:40 PST Subject: OFF: Gunther Deitz Message-ID: >>HAMBURG, Germany--The music world is grieving the loss of rock superstar >>Gunther Deitz who ended his concert and his life when he dove from the >>stage expecting to be caught in the arms of the crowd--only to have them >>step away and allow him to smash facefirst into the concrete floor! >>Few Americans have ever heard Dietz's music. But he was known throughout >>Europe for his throbbing high-decibel sound and his exciting concert >>performances. >anyone heard of this wellknown, but unlucky dude - >before this concrete incident? Never. Not before nor after the accident - until now of course. I also had never heard of the band he played in. >\\throughout european joe throughout European Jerry From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 7 18:35:53 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 23:35:53 GMT Subject: HW: SA & CYM In-Reply-To: Le Monsieur's message of Mon, 23 Sep 1996 00:49:39 -0500 Message-ID: Le Monsieur writes: Just been checking CYM for the Codex... > One li'l mess up on the CYM, though: "Arrival In Utopia" and "Utopia" > are, as most of you know, two distinct tracks. However, they are indexed > together as track 3, with a total length of 8:47. Also Utopia is listed after Arrival In Utopia on the cover despite it being the earlier track. > Also, I think something's wrong with the "full version" of Silver Machine > included as a bonus track. The song fades in just like the "shorter", > 4:23 version, but fades out just before it hits 3:00. At 3:00, Silver > Machine *fades back in* exactly like the beginning of both versions. Then > I realized, after investigating further, that this second "half" of the > full version of Silver Machine is none other than the shorter album > version. The "full version" clocks in at 7:43, in case you're wondering. Nope. The 4.23 version is the full version as listed on the b-side of the aoth anniversary 7". The 3.00 version is the "single" version on the A-side of same. It looks like they've simply appended the master tape of the 3 track 10th anniversary single to CYM and thus got two full version SM, one single edit SM and the version of Psychedelic Warlords on the CD. The next versions of the Codex and Discography will be available soon and will reflect this plus other new releases. FoFP From JMBpackers at AOL.COM Thu Nov 7 22:54:26 1996 From: JMBpackers at AOL.COM (J M Blahnik) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 22:54:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma and Mutation Message-ID: In a message dated 96-11-05 08:07:47 EST, you write: << > Man, but I hate the sound on the first few albums--though the music is > great. It's _so_ thin! Disagreement here!! BOC / Tyranny and Mutation really define Blue Oyster Cult as far as I'm concerned. Listen closely and you hear something new each time you play them. I was jammin to a ST/T&M tape on my way home from work this afternoon....it still raises goosebumps for me:^))). Jim From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Nov 8 03:04:57 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:04:57 +0100 Subject: HW: SA & CYM Message-ID: >> One li'l mess up on the CYM, though: "Arrival In Utopia" and "Utopia" >> are, as most of you know, two distinct tracks. However, they are indexed >> together as track 3, with a total length of 8:47. > >Also Utopia is listed after Arrival In Utopia on the cover despite it >being the earlier track. objection! my EBS CYM copy has "Choose Your Masks" and "Dream Worker" indexed together. (>10mins) Then comes "Arrival in Utopia" followed by "Utopia" itself. Utopia is divided in two parts, first an instrumental section of sounds from Utopia, then the spoken "If you wanna get into it" part. ...exactly as my vinyl copy >> Also, I think something's wrong with the "full version" of Silver Machine >> included as a bonus track. The song fades in just like the "shorter", >> 4:23 version, but fades out just before it hits 3:00. At 3:00, Silver >> Machine *fades back in* exactly like the beginning of both versions. Then >> I realized, after investigating further, that this second "half" of the >> full version of Silver Machine is none other than the shorter album >> version. The "full version" clocks in at 7:43, in case you're wondering. > >Nope. The 4.23 version is the full version as listed on the b-side of the >aoth anniversary 7". The 3.00 version is the "single" version on the >A-side of same. It looks like they've simply appended the master tape of >the 3 track 10th anniversary single to CYM and thus got two full version >SM, one single edit SM and the version of Psychedelic Warlords on the CD. probably exact what have happened. >The next versions of the Codex and Discography will be available soon >and will reflect this plus other new releases. I'm sure you already has noticed this, but: the boot _Theta Orionis_ has listed "The Dream Goes On", but it's actually "Am I Losing My Mind" - "Terra Mysica" is entitled "Terror Mystica"(!) - and what's going on in the Sam Fox version of "Gimme Shelter"? I haven't heard the original 12", but the track ends in a normal way, then come back again halfway through. Quite odd tune, singing rock'n roll isn't exactly Sam Fox's bag, is it? >FoFP > > From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Nov 8 03:07:53 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:07:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: early scorp's Message-ID: >Not the Scorps, please. That git Herman Rarebell ran off with my Mum! >(in 73 just before he joined.) For some reason, The mere mention of the >Scorpions makes my blood gwan boil up! Mind you he did give me a >backstage pass for Donnington the year they played with Bad News and >Motorhead. Didn't give me a lift up, tho'. Git. And he dumped her 10 >years later, when he got really rich. This is before she started getting >of with Ozrics when we did gigs together. > >And if you think that sounds like bullshit, wait till I tell you about >the chap from the Rockin' Vicars (Lemmy's old band) whose I've just >found out lives four doors down from me. well, let's quit the scorps, and hear some pre hawkwind Lemmy stories instead... :0) >All true, I swear! >-- >Jon Browne \\joe From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Fri Nov 8 03:53:37 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:53:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Gunther Deitz Message-ID: >>>HAMBURG, Germany--The music world is grieving the loss of rock superstar >>>Gunther Deitz who ended his concert and his life when he dove from the >>>stage expecting to be caught in the arms of the crowd--only to have them >>>step away and allow him to smash facefirst into the concrete floor! >>>Few Americans have ever heard Dietz's music. But he was known throughout >>>Europe for his throbbing high-decibel sound and his exciting concert >>>performances. > >>anyone heard of this wellknown, but unlucky dude - >>before this concrete incident? > >Never. Not before nor after the accident - until now of course. I also had >never heard of the band he played in. > >>\\throughout european joe > >throughout European Jerry Ah, Gunther Diaz - big star up here in Norway (much like David Hasselhoff's status in Germany) and will be sorely missed. Last time they played here in Oslo was in march 94, supporting their 5th album, "Ich Liebe Die Fleisch" for a packed crowd of enthusiastic punters. Their music could be described as a mix between Guns & Roses, Scorpions and TNT. Gunther, R.I.P., we miss you already. Christian -------------------------------------------------------------- "I am not as much a vegetable as everything is vegetable soup" Christian Mumford From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Nov 8 04:41:00 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:41:00 +0000 Subject: HW: SA & CYM In-Reply-To: M Holmes' mail of Thu, 7 Nov 96 23:35 +0000 Message-ID: On 07 Nov 23:35, M Holmes wrote: > Also Utopia is listed after Arrival In Utopia on the cover despite it > being the earlier track. I always thought "Arrival In Utopia" was the song, and "Utopia" was the spoken bit? Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Nov 8 04:42:00 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:42:00 +0000 Subject: HW & Burroughs In-Reply-To: Bryan Pitkin's mail of Thu, 7 Nov 96 14:44 +0500 Message-ID: On 07 Nov 09:44, Bryan Pitkin wrote: > Burroughs' influence in the music scene > started in the mid 1980's with Sonic Youth, Nirvana, etc. Laurie Anderson also comes to mind. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Fri Nov 8 04:59:15 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:59:15 +0100 Subject: HW & Burroughs Message-ID: >On 07 Nov 09:44, Bryan Pitkin wrote: >> Burroughs' influence in the music scene >> started in the mid 1980's with Sonic Youth, Nirvana, etc. > Grant Hart of Husker Du has a band called 'Nova Mob'. I think there was an obscure 60's band with that name as well. Christian -------------------------------------------------------------- "I am not as much a vegetable as everything is vegetable soup" Christian Mumford From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 8 05:45:25 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:45:25 GMT Subject: HW: SA & CYM In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Thu, 7 Nov 1996 23:35:53 GMT Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > A-side of same. It looks like they've simply appended the master tape of > the 3 track 10th anniversary single to CYM and thus got two full version > SM, one single edit SM and the version of Psychedelic Warlords on the CD. agreed - Griffin appear to have put the whole of the 10th anniversary 7" on to CYM which is excellent news since it has become impossibly rare and difficult to get hold of. Kompletists can now have the long and short versions of the tracks without having to write begging letters to their bank managers! And the version of Transdimensional Man on Sonic Attack is the shorter 7" single version cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 8 05:49:11 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:49:11 GMT Subject: HW: SA & CYM In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:41:00 +0000 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > On 07 Nov 23:35, M Holmes wrote: > > Also Utopia is listed after Arrival In Utopia on the cover despite it > > being the earlier track. > > I always thought "Arrival In Utopia" was the song, and "Utopia" was the > spoken bit? yep - I think that's right (from memory!) but there's also Utopia 1984 so I'll need to check the Codex to remind myself of the complete sequence. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 8 06:00:37 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:00:37 GMT Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma and Mutation Message-ID: On tor 7 nov 1996 22.54 "J M Blahnik" wrote: > Disagreement here!! BOC / Tyranny and Mutation really define Blue Oyster > Cult as far as I'm concerned. Listen closely and you hear something new each > time you play them. I was jammin to a ST/T&M tape on my way home from work > this afternoon....it still raises goosebumps for me:^))). I'm not saying the music isn't great--definitely a lot of my favorites in there--I'm saying I think the sound is too thin. Sounds like it was recorded in a closet on a spool of tin foil. Part of that may be the CD mastering, but a lot of it is the way it was done. Perhaps Sandy had some brilliant reason for doing it that way--I just don't think it was a good one. Conversely, I'm not sure IMO the band ever got their production quite were I like it. The went from thin and gritty to full and polished. I would have like to keep the grit and add the fullness :) Imaginos was very heavily produced, of course, but the sound there is pretty good--the guitars are full and heavy yet it doesn't sound too glitzy. FoUO was close--a little glitzy but some great moments. Now if they'd just gotten a bit of that fuller sound on the amazing music of the earlier albums, that would have been keen :) Luckily, the Brain Surgeons have been turning out some very decent sounding material, as well as some good music. And it may be mild heresy, but I though the sound on the recent 3OC recordings was pretty good apart from too much percussion occasionally and the slightly sloppy sound of _Cult Classic_--the tones was still good even if the reverb sounded a bit ragged to me and some of the vocals were kinda mailed in. Cheers, Carl From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 8 06:41:51 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:41:51 GMT Subject: HW: SA & CYM In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:45:25 GMT Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > M Holmes writes: > > > > A-side of same. It looks like they've simply appended the master tape of > > the 3 track 10th anniversary single to CYM and thus got two full version > > SM, one single edit SM and the version of Psychedelic Warlords on the CD. > > agreed - Griffin appear to have put the whole of the 10th anniversary 7" > on to CYM which is excellent news since it has become impossibly rare and > difficult to get hold of. Kompletists can now have the long and short > versions of the tracks without having to write begging letters to their > bank managers! Well yeah, but was there really a need to have the full version twice on the CD? Dave Brock's version of Social Alliance might have gone better on here. FoFP From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 8 08:19:39 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:19:39 GMT Subject: Sad Lovers & Giants In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Thu, 7 Nov 1996 21:05:12 +0100 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > >> >> Anybody know what this album is? > >> >> I have seen the CD listed in a cataloque. Is it a live bootleg? I've emailed to ask - in case it's just a data-input error but no reply yet. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Nov 8 08:35:44 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 00:35:44 +1100 Subject: HW - Oz Tour :-) (was Re: HW- US Tour) Message-ID: On 7 Nov 96 at 10:50, Bill Stewart wrote: > From what I have been led to believe, HW does not want to do anymore > small clubs (it diminishes the bands presentation). I believe Mama > Kins stage is way too small for what HW has in mind for this tour. Speaking of tours - the good Mr. Smith sent me a fax just the other day where he mentions a strong possibility that Hawkwind will make it a "round trip", including Australia, and perhaps New Zealand, India and South Africa!!!!! I'd describe how I feel but an emoticon just wont cut it! There's nothing positive yet, but the few Aussie BOC-Lers take heed ..... they want to see what sort of public encouragement for the tour they can achieve before committing to it. So, tell *all* your Oz Hawkfrendz about it and lets MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!! A guy in Perth has organised a "Hawkwind Appreciation Night" at a night club some time before Christmas, and I hope to organise a similar event in Melbourne in the New Year .... and maybe also get something happening in the other states as well. The idea is to get the boys some funds to help pay some of the air-fare so the trip will be worthwhile for them. I'll just return to my state of deleria now ..... Sonique -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 8 08:43:33 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 21:43:33 +0800 Subject: HW - Oz Tour :-) (was Re: HW- US Tour) Message-ID: Paul G Ward wrote: > > On 7 Nov 96 at 10:50, Bill Stewart wrote: > > > From what I have been led to believe, HW does not want to do anymore > > small clubs (it diminishes the bands presentation). I believe Mama > > Kins stage is way too small for what HW has in mind for this tour. > > Speaking of tours - the good Mr. Smith sent me a fax just the > other day where he mentions a strong possibility that Hawkwind will > make it a "round trip", including Australia, and perhaps New Zealand, > India and South Africa!!!!! > > I'd describe how I feel but an emoticon just wont cut it! > > There's nothing positive yet, but the few Aussie BOC-Lers take heed > ..... they want to see what sort of public encouragement for the tour > they can achieve before committing to it. So, tell *all* your Oz > Hawkfrendz about it and lets MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!! > > A guy in Perth has organised a "Hawkwind Appreciation Night" at a > night club some time before Christmas, and I hope to organise a > similar event in Melbourne in the New Year .... and maybe also get > something happening in the other states as well. The idea is to get > the boys some funds to help pay some of the air-fare so the trip will > be worthwhile for them. > > I'll just return to my state of deleria now ..... > > Sonique ----------------- As I live in Perth, I am VERY VERY VERY interested in everything written above. MORE INFO PLEASE (ESPECIALLY ON THE HW APPRECIATION NIGHT)!!!!!!!!!!!! William From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Nov 8 08:49:12 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 23:49:12 +1000 Subject: HW - Oz Tour :-) (was Re: HW- US Tour) Message-ID: OOOOOOHHHHHHHH MMMMMMYYYYYYYY GGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!! Excuse me while my brain melts..... -Max Wilcox From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Nov 8 09:03:11 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 01:03:11 +1100 Subject: HW - Oz Tour :-) (was Re: HW- US Tour) Message-ID: On 8 Nov 96 at 23:49, Max Wilcox wrote: > OOOOOOHHHHHHHH MMMMMMYYYYYYYY GGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Excuse me while my brain melts..... My sentiments exactly ;^) Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 8 09:15:01 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:15:01 -0500 Subject: BOC,BRAIN: Sound (what Carl said) Message-ID: Carl sez: > I'm not saying the music isn't great--definitely a lot of my favorites in there--I'm saying I think the sound is too thin. Sounds like it was recorded in a closet on a spool of tin foil. Part of that may be the CD mastering, but a lot of it is the way it was done. Perhaps Sandy had some brilliant reason for doing it that way--I just don't think it was a good one. I think part of it is the CD - I think part of it was the times (while there's alot of *good* albums from that time period, real *heaviness* wasn't there on most of them - even those early Black Sabbath albums with some really crunching tunes didn't have that "wall of guitar" sound that started to become more prevalent around the 80's I think), and perhaps part of it is that BOC didn't start out as a "heavy metal" group -- SWU was more like the Grateful Dead and the Doors, and SFG was sort of a bit like the Byrds. Listen to the mix of tunes on the first BOC album even -- Last Days of May is more jazzy than rock; Redeemed is more country, and She's as Beautiful as a Foot is just weird (but I like it). Tyrannay and Treaties were a bit more focussed on the heavy metal angle. And as far as whether Sandy had some sort of brilliant reason for anything, I'm starting to think more and more that maybe Sandy's positive contributions were more luck than genius. Either that, or his creative well dried up. > Conversely, I'm not sure IMO the band ever got their production quite were I like it. The went from thin and gritty to full and polished. I would have like to keep the grit and add the fullness :) Imaginos was very heavily produced, of course, but the sound there is pretty good--the guitars are full and heavy yet it doesn't sound too glitzy. FoUO was close--a little glitzy but some great moments. True. I think there is some fine stuff in terms of production/heaviness on AOF/Spectres too. Tattoo Vampire has a great guitar sound, as does R U Ready 2 Rock. Godzilla too - sure it's been overplayed by the band, but when it first came out back in '77 it was something quite special in terms of sound IMHO. (BTW, was it someone on this list who pointed out the opening guitar chords to Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" sound pretty close to the main riff in Godzilla?). > Luckily, the Brain Surgeons have been turning out some very decent sounding material, as well as some good music. Hear hear. Trepanation in particular has a definite "wall of guitar" sound to hit, not to mention a nice fat drum sound. >And it may be mild heresy, but I though the sound on the recent 3OC recordings was pretty good apart from too much percussion occasionally and the slightly sloppy sound of _Cult Classic_--the tones was still good even if the reverb sounded a bit ragged to me and some of the vocals were kinda mailed in. Agreed. Cult Classic had a bit of a thin-ness to it in part though, more due to improper use of digital recording techniques I suspect (contrast it to the Brain Surgeons' use of digital on Eponymous). The Bad Channels tunes had a nice heavy feel to them. Chuck Burgi goes a bit overboard on the drums somewhat. Lets hope that if the new album comes off, BOC will do a good job mixing it. Otherwise, BOC might be sitting around a la' Spinal Tap saying, "Well, if only it had been mixed right... John From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Nov 8 09:12:35 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:12:35 UT Subject: HW - Oz Tour :-) (was Re: HW- US Tour) Message-ID: If this happens, Paul, I'll meet you half-way for the India shows! :) - Andy PS - did you know that the lead singer of S-Express was called Sonique? :) From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Fri Nov 8 09:20:43 1996 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:20:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: early scorp's Message-ID: >From: "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" > > Does anybody know if the early Scorpions Album "Lonesome Crow" (aka > "Action") has ever been released on CD? > >Can an American answer? I show a listing for a disc version offered >by Rampage Records, stock # R2 70915. Anyone ever heard of this >label? I have that CD. It says Rampage is a subsidiary of Rhino. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Nov 8 09:50:31 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:50:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gunther Deitz / Hawkwind connection Message-ID: >Ah, Gunther Diaz - big star up here in Norway (much like David Hasselhoff's >status in Germany) and will be sorely missed. Last time they played here in >Oslo was in march 94, supporting their 5th album, "Ich Liebe Die Fleisch" >for a packed crowd of enthusiastic punters. Their music could be described >as a mix between Guns & Roses, Scorpions and TNT. Gunther, R.I.P., we miss >you already. Not many people know it, but Gunther actually appeared briefly on the legendary lost Hawkwind album "Caution", long before he got his own band together in Germany. He played keyboards on 'Emoticon', and sang some of the secondary vocals on 'The High Crusade'. And if you listen very, very carefully at the end of "The Eleventh Second of Forever" you can hear him in the background arguing with Danny and Dave that culminates with him being sacked from the recording sessions. It's very faint and I don't think it was put on there intentionally. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 8 09:50:24 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:50:24 GMT Subject: subscribe new member please Message-ID: Could we subscribe: pegsec at cityscape.co.uk He's having trouble getting subscribed. Cheers FoFP From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Nov 8 10:25:18 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 15:25:18 +0000 Subject: HW - Oz Tour :-) (was Re: HW- US Tour) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 09 Nov 1996 00:35:44 +1100." <199611080958.UAA11474@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: > Speaking of tours - the good Mr. Smith sent me a fax just the > other day where he mentions a strong possibility that Hawkwind will > make it a "round trip", including Australia, and perhaps New Zealand, > India and South Africa!!!!! ^^^^^ The others, maybe, but India ???? Perhaps they should play Hong Kong too, give the colony an good send off :-) Tim ObCDS: Londinium, _Archive_ --- Fight the UK Handgun ban: Join the Sportsman's Association of Great Britain P.O. Box 1689 Bradford BD8 9YQ From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Nov 8 11:42:05 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:42:05 -0600 Subject: USA Tour Help Message-ID: To all listmembers, There is now a form and letter from Jim Lascko on the Hawkwind site (www.hawkwind.com) where you can let us know of the venues in your area that Hawkwind could play. Check it out and spread the word! The timeline for US dates is May and we need some info and help getting this off the ground. Jim and myself are going to be co-ordinating the efforts of those people who step up and help out. Yours, Star Rats From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Fri Nov 8 10:46:29 1996 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 08:46:29 -0700 Subject: BOC,BRAIN: Sound (what Carl said) Message-ID: John writes: > I think part of it is the CD - I think part of it was the times (while there's alot of *good* albums from that time period, real *heaviness* > wasn't there on most of them - even those early Black Sabbath albums > with some really crunching tunes didn't have that "wall of guitar" > sound that started to become more prevalent around the 80's I think), A lot of times that wall of guitar sound comes from overlaying multiple tracks (8 or 10 or more) of the same guitar part. Although the parts are the same, the microscopic differences result in a nice fullness. Since BOC only had 8 or 16 tracks to play with on the first records, that might help explain the thinness of tone. Chris RIP: Jeffrey Lee Pierce, mighty crooner for the Gun Club, who passed away last March (I just found out...) From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Fri Nov 8 12:31:39 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:31:39 -0500 Subject: BOC: Dragstrip Message-ID: For those of you BOC fanactics who collect cover songs, I heard a surf version of DFtR by a band called Dragstrip. Not bad at all. Chris Stier San Francisco x4445 If we could just get everyone to close their eyes and visualize world peace for an hour, imagine how serene and quiet it would be until the looting started. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Nov 8 12:45:00 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:45:00 +0000 Subject: HW: - Oz Tour :-) (was Re: HW- US Tour) In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward's mail of Sat, 9 Nov 96 00:35 +1100 Message-ID: On 08 Nov 13:35, Paul G Ward wrote: > Speaking of tours - the good Mr. Smith sent me a fax just the > other day where he mentions a strong possibility that Hawkwind will > make it a "round trip", including Australia, and perhaps New Zealand, > India and South Africa!!!!! Wouldn't it be worth including Japan? Or are HW one group that didn't make it Big In Japan? More exploding drummers ... that's the answer ... Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Fri Nov 8 13:53:14 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (An incredibly dismal, pathetic chord sequence) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:53:14 -0500 Subject: BOC,BRAIN: Sound (what Carl and John said) Message-ID: >and perhaps part of it is that BOC didn't start out as a "heavy metal" >group -- SWU was more like the Grateful Dead and the Doors, and SFG >was sort of a bit like the Byrds. Very true. They were a very stringy sound (at least on the tape of the SFG recordings I have) with a scad of neat guitar interweaving, which is most present on those first 3. Listen to the mix of tunes on the >first BOC album even -- Last Days of May is more jazzy than rock; >Redeemed is more country, and She's as Beautiful as a Foot is just >weird (but I like it). Don't forget that great jazz middle of Before the Kiss, a Redcap. > Tyrannay and Treaties were a bit more focussed I think that one tended to be metal jazz(citing 7Screaming and baby Ice dog and Teen archer) which does seem to be where BOC is most comofrtable in performing in the early stages...I wonder if all the indecipherable, happy sounding band chit chat during some of the songs (particularly Hot Rails to Hell) is evidence that they were having as much fun as we have listening to it. > And as far as whether Sandy had some sort >of brilliant reason for anything, I'm starting to think more and more >that maybe Sandy's positive contributions were more luck than genius. >Either that, or his creative well dried up. I agree. the posting about the musical box addition to Flaming Telepaths goes to show that side of the point nicely. Maybe productionwise his creative spring was dead. Lyrically though he tended to still be able to knock out some neat zingers from time to time. > >> Conversely, I'm not sure IMO the band ever got their production quite >were [they] like it. at least that amendment to the above is what I think and i think the change in sound from the 3 eras of their "classic" work proves it( 1st 3->aof/S->mirrors to FoUO). I think we can thank Al for the production on Imaginos considering his rather extensive and input and early on control of the project. Either way, Box of Hammers ought to blast our rafters when it arrives in our CD players. (as if I don't play BOC/BS related recordings enough as it is) woohoo! :) Saying goodbye to any semblance of a musical spending budget, Jason (if you want to hear a very very thin live show, pick up Yes' new 2 CD set. It's not bad, but it lacks the freshness of a concert) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 8 13:53:18 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 18:53:18 GMT Subject: BOC,BRAIN: Sound (what Carl said) Message-ID: On fre 8 nov 1996 09.15 "John A Swartz" wrote: > I think part of it is the CD - I think part of it was the times (while > there's alot of *good* albums from that time period, real *heaviness* > wasn't there on most of them - even those early Black Sabbath albums > with some really crunching tunes didn't have that "wall of guitar" > sound that started to become more prevalent around the 80's I think), > and perhaps part of it is that BOC didn't start out as a "heavy metal" > group -- SWU was more like the Grateful Dead and the Doors, and SFG > was sort of a bit like the Byrds. Well, I'm not thinking of the "wall of guitars" sound. As for the guitar sound, the sound on early Sabbath is pretty good--plenty of crunch, not too much gain. I like it much better than the buzzy, fizzy sound of a lot of contemporary metal (not to be confused with the "fuzz" of a good fuzz-box :) Brock of HW had a good guitar sound going on the Doremi/SR era thing as well. Step forward to Gaz Jennings of Cathedral who has one of my favorite current guitar tones (recipe: humbuckers plus enormous British amps :) But guitar tone is not what I'm really thinking of on the early BOC albums as the sound problem. It's more in the dynamic range of the recordings, the EQing ... something like that. Very narrow, not much depth. Even the Doors and the Dead got a pretty full sound compared to the early BOC albums. Sometimes I feel very frustrated listening to them, since it sounds like there's a lot there--dynamic range-wise--which didn't make it as far as my CD, if not the original master tape itself! No, BOC wasn't crunching like Iommi or Brock, but I think the first couple of albums sound unnecessarily muffled. > Listen to the mix of tunes on the > first BOC album even -- Last Days of May is more jazzy than rock Of course, that's the genius! The fusion of those concepts brought a unique edge and sound to the music. Heavy, yeah. Rocking, yeah. And *cunning*. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 8 13:59:35 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 18:59:35 GMT Subject: BOC,BRAIN: Sound (what Carl said) Message-ID: On fre 8 nov 1996 08.46 "Chris Baxley" wrote: >A lot of times that wall of guitar sound comes from overlaying multiple >tracks (8 or 10 or more) of the same guitar part. >Although the parts are the same, the microscopic differences result in a >nice fullness. Since BOC only had 8 or 16 tracks to >play with on the first records, that might help explain the thinness of >tone. Mmmm, but but consider the guitar on HW's _Space Ritual_. Live, one guitar, one guitar track, but monster heaviness. Back in the early days of Sabbath Iommi was overdubbing, yeah, but only a two or three tracks maybe. Now BOC wasn't using so much crunch as these guys, but I don't think that's where I'm thinking. It's more the whole sound of the recorded band--heck the _bass_ sounds thin. Why isn't it loosening bowels left and right? :) Why is the kick drum not threatening to collapse yer diaphragm? :) More dynamic range, that's what I say. I realise they were recording on a budget, but still. Ah, well, this has always been my personal beef :) Cheers, Carl From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Nov 8 14:19:01 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:19:01 -0500 Subject: info (fwd) Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: >From daemon at broadway.interport.net Fri Nov 08 19:18:20 1996 Delivered-To: swann at mindvox.com From: Stephen Swann Message-Id: <199611081915.OAA02259 at panix.com> Subject: info (fwd) To: swann at phantom.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:15:09 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII ----- Forwarded message from DFrost8547 at aol.com ----- [...] As for the stuff of reality, not fantasy, BoH is being manufactured now. If all goes according to plan, it should be shipped in three weeks. Also, please note: the ONLY scheduled appearance of the Brain Surgeons is Saturday, November 23 at the Rodeo Bar in NYC. We will be celebrating the album by playing a new set largely composed of its material and admission will be FREE. (Just in case anyone ever wondered if Albert were in it for the music or the money). And those baseball caps (among other new items mentioned in the latest Cellsum catalog) are going fast. So all who desire them are advised to get orders in ASAP.... ----- End of forwarded message from DFrost8547 at aol.com ----- From reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM Fri Nov 8 14:51:50 1996 From: reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:51:50 EST Subject: info (fwd) Message-ID: Where is the Rodeo Bar??? From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Fri Nov 8 14:52:26 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:52:26 -0600 Subject: USA Tour Help In-Reply-To: <199611081642.KAA07178@deliverator.io.com> from "Hawkwind" at Nov 8, 96 10:42:05 am Message-ID: > > To all listmembers, > There is now a form and letter from Jim Lascko on > the Hawkwind site (www.hawkwind.com) where you can let us know of the venues > in your area that Hawkwind could play. > > Check it out and spread the word! The timeline for US dates is May and we > need some info and help getting this off the ground. Jim and myself are > going to be co-ordinating the efforts of those people who step up and help out. > > Yours, > Star Rats Will do! Can't wait for the show. What minimum capacity are you looking for in a venue? Stage size? Other facilities? I have another "wild idea". How about enlisting the aide of fan "tour sponsers"? I'd be willing to "donate" a few bucks ($50 - 75 - 100? US) to help getting the band into the area. Maybe set somethin up so that the "sponsers" get on the tour gest list? Or maybe a garantee of a tour T-shirt? Or some other promo? Maybe I'm nuts, maybe I'm not. -- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." - Albert Einstein Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6982 From jguizar at EPIX.NET Fri Nov 8 17:10:03 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:10:03 -0500 Subject: Web page check In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 11/07/96 at 05:46 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson said: >On tor 7 nov 1996 12.17 "Jerry Guizar" wrote: > I >know it's probably been mentioned numerous times, but what is the > URL? > http://www.hawkwind.com I gotta get more sleep. It can't be that obvious. Thanks. Jerry ObNewCD:PorcupineTree _Signify_ -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From stayer at PI.NET Fri Nov 8 20:39:04 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:39:04 PST Subject: OFF: UK handgun ban Message-ID: Tim wrote: >Fight the UK Handgun ban: Join the Sportsman's Association of Great Britain I'll fight the UK handgun ban fight. Some sports should be banned... Jerry From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Nov 8 15:44:03 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 06:44:03 +1000 Subject: OFF: UK handgun ban Message-ID: Jerry wrote: > > Tim wrote: > > >Fight the UK Handgun ban: Join the Sportsman's Association of Great Britain > > I'll fight the UK handgun ban fight. Some sports should be banned... > > Jerry HERE HERE!!! -Max Wilcox From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Fri Nov 8 21:58:44 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 18:58:44 -0800 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma and Mutation Message-ID: At 10:54 PM 11/7/96 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 96-11-05 08:07:47 EST, you write: > ><< > > Man, but I hate the sound on the first few albums--though the music >is > > great. It's _so_ thin! > >Disagreement here!! BOC / Tyranny and Mutation really define Blue Oyster >Cult as far as I'm concerned. Listen closely and you hear something new each >time you play them. I was jammin to a ST/T&M tape on my way home from work >this afternoon....it still raises goosebumps for me:^))). Lurk mode: Off! The first three albums were, to me, the definitive BOC. I remember being somewhat disappointed when Spectres or AOF (whichever was first.. I'm having severe brain flatulence here..) came out with its softer sound. I later learned to like most of AOF but never really warmed to Spectres except for "The Golden Age of Leather". Sure, the sound became more textured and polished but at the same time, it lost its hard edge and raw power that I got from ST, T&M and BOC. The BOC from back then was the BOC I fell in love with.. I glommed on to those albums the very first time I heard them.. Later albums took me quite a few listens before I really liked them. Mirrors & CE being my favorite post ST albums. I own virtually all (non-best of) BOC albums but the only ones I still listen to (except the first 3) are Mirrors, CE, SEE, ETL & Imaginos. Heh, though I bought RBN & CN when they were first released, I could count the number of times I've listened to them on 2 hands. Now Playing: "Stressfest" -- Steve Morse Band Lurk mode: ON! _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "What ever you do, | | < *http://www2.connectnet.com/~jbrooks | take care of your |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | shoes" -- Phish From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Nov 9 00:02:21 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 00:02:21 -0500 Subject: USA Tour Help Message-ID: In a message dated 96-11-08 15:05:48 EST, you write: > >I have another "wild idea". How about enlisting the aide of fan "tour >sponsers"? I'd be willing to "donate" a few bucks ($50 - 75 - 100? US) to >help getting the band into the area. Maybe set somethin up so that the >"sponsers" get on the tour gest list? Or maybe a garantee of a tour >T-shirt? Or some other promo? Good idea. I have always been a proponent of raising the ticket prices but Brock is dead set against it. How bout a tour jacket designed by Kris Tait, for a hundred bucks or more a pop. Couldn't hurt. regards, Bill Stewart From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Sat Nov 9 03:24:32 1996 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 23:24:32 -0900 Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Troy Harris wrote: > Ezekiel's wheel is part of a vision revealing God, not a flying saucer. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 9 05:44:46 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 10:44:46 +0000 Subject: HW : On Joolz Holland? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've just been told that someone saw the Hawks on a trailer for an upcoming Later With Jools Holland. I was told there was a quick clip of "some old long hairs" saying "We are Hawkwind". So when's it on ? Tonight? It was for the 50th show apparently, but that was last week wasn't it? Yipe! -- Jon Browne From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Sat Nov 9 09:13:16 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 14:13:16 GMT Subject: HW : On Joolz Holland? Message-ID: Jon Browne asked (re HW /Jools H.) " So when's it on ? Tonight? It was for the 50th show apparently, but that was last week wasn't it? Yipe! " Jon, relax, the 50th show is TONIGHT, so you ain't missed it if thats the case. I watched last week, but the made no mention of HW being on the next week. Tune in anyway, it would be too good to miss HW on the box. Neil. From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Sat Nov 9 09:20:56 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 14:20:56 GMT Subject: BOC : The Quest continues....... Message-ID: Further to recent posts I sent re: Imaginos & the difficulty getting it.... It now transpires that Virgin are ordering Imaginos on Import on the Discovery label, which is why the've taken 7 weeks _so far_. Question: is this the release that other UK fans have ? Or has it gone out of print on the original label ? oh well, the wait continues.....only thing that keeps me searching for it, is the good reviews I hear on this list. Neil. From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Sat Nov 9 10:02:48 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 15:02:48 -0000 Subject: HW : On Joolz Holland? Message-ID: Well the Radio Times for 9 Nov doesn't list Hawkind on "Later with Jools". It does list the following : Kula Shaker, Orbital, Blue Nile, Joe Cocker and Jackson Browne. Of course the Radio times could be wrong ! If Hawkwind do play this show then I consider it to a very bold move and almost exactly the right one at this point in time. The number of times I run into people of my age (and slightly older) who say "Hawkwind, didn't know they where still going, I saw them in 197X" . This show seems to appeal to exactly that sort of person, an appearance by the Hawks could well stimulate some memories in these folk. I just hope the hawks don't screw it up by playing some lame version of "silver machine". I reckon an ideal per of songs might be "stepenwolf" and "sputnik Sam". Andy C In hope ! ---------- From: Jon Browne[SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: 09 November 1996 10:44 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW : On Joolz Holland? I've just been told that someone saw the Hawks on a trailer for an upcoming Later With Jools Holland. I was told there was a quick clip of "some old long hairs" saying "We are Hawkwind". So when's it on ? Tonight? It was for the 50th show apparently, but that was last week wasn't it? Yipe! -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Nov 9 14:54:15 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 19:54:15 GMT Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma and Mutation Message-ID: On fre 8 nov 1996 18.58 "Joseph Brooks" wrote: > The first three albums were, to me, the definitive BOC. I remember being > somewhat disappointed when Spectres or AOF (whichever was first.. I'm having > severe brain flatulence here..) came out with its softer sound. I later > learned to like most of AOF but never really warmed to Spectres except for > "The Golden Age of Leather". Sure, the sound became more textured and > polished but at the same time, it lost its hard edge and raw power that I > got from ST, T&M and BOC. I agree completely--I just wish that the songs I love didn't sound like they were recorded in a toilet! Cheers, Carl From stayer at PI.NET Sat Nov 9 17:14:13 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 14:14:13 PST Subject: New Album Info from Eric on AOL Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Troy Harris wrote: >> Ezekiel's wheel is part of a vision revealing God, not a flying saucer. William replied: >"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." >- Arthur C. Clarke Brilliant quote, William! Jerry From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Nov 9 23:23:16 1996 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 23:23:16 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma and Mutation Message-ID: Jim wrote: >time you play them. I was jammin to a ST/T&M tape on my way home from work >this afternoon....it still raises goosebumps for me:^))). Ya know when we made Tyranny we were trying to make the scariest sounding album we could. We'd just finished opening the show for Alice Cooper's 'Killer' tour. FYI Al From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sun Nov 10 00:50:43 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 21:50:43 -0800 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma and Mutation Message-ID: At 07:54 PM 11/9/96 GMT, you wrote: >On fre 8 nov 1996 18.58 "Joseph Brooks" wrote: >> The first three albums were, to me, the definitive BOC. I remember being >> somewhat disappointed when Spectres or AOF (whichever was first.. I'm >having >> severe brain flatulence here..) came out with its softer sound. I later >> learned to like most of AOF but never really warmed to Spectres except >for >> "The Golden Age of Leather". Sure, the sound became more textured and >> polished but at the same time, it lost its hard edge and raw power that I >> got from ST, T&M and BOC. > > I agree completely--I just wish that the songs I love didn't sound like >they were recorded in a toilet! Hmmm.. I see what you mean with the first two. ST was a lot cleaner, IMO. Still, when, at 14 years old or so, I read on the back of the album covers that the band included a "Stun Guitar", I thought that the stuff like that twangy lick that comes between "Hot Rails" & "7 Screaming" fit right in. I mean, it *sounded* like a "Stun Guitar", whatever the heck that was.. (Yes, I am familiar with the background on that subject). So, was the somewhat tinny, hollow sound intentional? Was it the equipment of the day? (Al, are you lurking about?) There's something about that sort of ringing, buzzing sound.., (the toilet sound!) that those albums had which I think I associated with the BOC sound in general. I'm thinking that (at least the times I saw them in the early to mid 70's) the sound could even be heard live. What am I saying? I dunno.. but there was something there - I'm just not able to find the words to explain it. Picture the inner sleeve of OYFOOYK.. a big, dark, dank, echoey hall with BOC playing at full volume. That is the feeling that "the sound" evokes for me. I remember seeing them around 1975 or so, at a place called the Golden Hall which had a somewhat gothic design to it.. I was standing right in front of the stage left speakers, feeling every note in my very bones. I recall that it was so loud that it was just right below the pain thresh hold (and I loved it!). I didn't hear well for 2 days after. That was when I heard and felt the sound I'm talking about.. -=-=- "Joe, you're babbling again.. Why don't you get up and walk the dog or something?" "Yes, Dear..., one more email..." -=-=- Now Playing: "Billy Breathes" - Phish _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "Three men in black | | < *http://www2.connectnet.com/~jbrooks/music.html#boc | said, Don't report |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | this.." -- BOC From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Sun Nov 10 05:59:25 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Clore) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 02:59:25 -0800 Subject: HW & Burroughs Message-ID: > >On 07 Nov 09:44, Bryan Pitkin wrote: > >> Burroughs' influence in the music scene > >> started in the mid 1980's with Sonic Youth, Nirvana, etc. In 66 The Fugs incorporated Burroughs text into a song called "Virgin Forest". The Dead Kennedys' Jello Biafra mentions Burroughs as a major influence on their lyrics--they were going strong by 78. You just need to look further. Dan Clore From pook at EMRL.COM Sun Nov 10 06:18:58 1996 From: pook at EMRL.COM (Colin Michael Davis) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 03:18:58 -0800 Subject: HW & Burroughs In-Reply-To: <3285B58D.38F7@columbia-center.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Nov 1996, Clore wrote: > > >On 07 Nov 09:44, Bryan Pitkin wrote: > > >> Burroughs' influence in the music scene > > >> started in the mid 1980's with Sonic Youth, Nirvana, etc. > In 66 The Fugs incorporated Burroughs text into a song called "Virgin > Forest". The Dead Kennedys' Jello Biafra mentions Burroughs as a major > influence on their lyrics--they were going strong by 78. You just need > to look further. Yup. There's also the well-nigh blatant Burroughs references in David Bowie's late Sixties and early Seventies work, especially on the _Diamond Dogs_ album; "Future Legend" is about two steps away from plagiarism. :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Colin Michael Davis * pook at emrl.com * http://emrl.com/~pook/index.html While we live, we dream. And while we dream, there is hope. From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 11 09:01:11 1996 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:01:11 +0000 Subject: HW : On Joolz Holland? Message-ID: >I've just been told that someone saw the Hawks on a trailer for an >upcoming Later With Jools Holland. I was told there was a quick clip of >"some old long hairs" saying "We are Hawkwind". I saw the trailer for this last night and I think the band he saw were Orbital - who said "We are Orbital" - I know it doesn't sound very plausible but bear with me on this one, they were very incoherent - but hten so was I. I had hopes they might amange a set on Mark Radcliffe's White Room but that was very very dull compared to his radio programme. From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Sun Nov 10 08:33:51 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 13:33:51 -0000 Subject: HW: Jools Holland Message-ID: Well the Hawks weren't on last nights shoe but that doesn't mean they won't be on a show later in the series since it's only just starting. Andy C From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Sun Nov 10 09:15:09 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 14:15:09 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawklords set list Message-ID: Does anyone have a set list for the 1978 Hawklords tour. I'm sure they did most of the hawklords album, I know they did "Uncle Sams on Mars" but what else did they do ? Andy C From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun Nov 10 10:08:46 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 16:08:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawklords set list Message-ID: At 14:15 10.11.96 -0000, you wrote: >Does anyone have a set list for the 1978 Hawklords tour. >I'm sure they did most of the hawklords album, I know they >did "Uncle Sams on Mars" but what else did they do ? Hi Andy Here are the setlists of two HAWKLORDS gigs: 06.10.78, OXFORD, NEW THEATRE automoton / 25 years / high rise / death trap / micro man / urban guerilla / only the dead dreams of a cold war kid / flying doctor / steppenwolf / psi power / sonic attack / awakening / robot / uncle sam's on mars / iron dream / silver machine / brainstorm 05.11.78, READING, HEXAGON automoton / 25 years / high rise / death trap / micro man / spirit of the age / urban guerilla / sonic attack / psi power / brainstorm / steppenwolf / free fall / robot / uncle sam's on mars / iron dream / silver machine / master of the universe cheers Bernhard From stayer at PI.NET Sun Nov 10 15:33:46 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 12:33:46 PST Subject: OFF: Burroughs Message-ID: All this talk about Burroughs reminded me of a friend of mine. He will start a two-years study on Burroughs' work. Does anyone know of a website with info on him? A Yahoo search gives me a tons of hits, so that doesn't really help. Thanks, Jerry From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Sun Nov 10 11:32:20 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 16:32:20 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawklords set list Message-ID: Cheers Berhard, You wouldn't have the set list for the Liverpool gig of that tour, I was there and can't remember much except for "Uncle sams on Mars". Andy C ---------- From: Bernhard Pospiech[SMTP:bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE] Sent: 10 November 1996 15:08 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Hawklords set list At 14:15 10.11.96 -0000, you wrote: >Does anyone have a set list for the 1978 Hawklords tour. >I'm sure they did most of the hawklords album, I know they >did "Uncle Sams on Mars" but what else did they do ? Hi Andy Here are the setlists of two HAWKLORDS gigs: 06.10.78, OXFORD, NEW THEATRE 05.11.78, READING, HEXAGON cheers Bernhard From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Nov 11 12:14:12 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:14:12 EST Subject: HW - Oz Tour :-) (was Re: HW- US Tour) In-Reply-To: <199611080958.UAA11474@hyme.pcmicro.com.au>; from "Paul G Ward" at Nov 10, 96 00:35:44 am Message-ID: > > On 7 Nov 96 at 10:50, Bill Stewart wrote: > > > From what I have been led to believe, HW does not want to do anymore > > small clubs (it diminishes the bands presentation). I believe Mama > > Kins stage is way too small for what HW has in mind for this tour. > > Speaking of tours - the good Mr. Smith sent me a fax just the > other day where he mentions a strong possibility that Hawkwind will > make it a "round trip", including Australia, and perhaps New Zealand, > India and South Africa!!!!! > > I'd describe how I feel but an emoticon just wont cut it! > Well slapme sideways with a wet fish !!! This is excellent news,but Paul when did you say you were going to the USA ??? I hope its not around the same time. > There's nothing positive yet, but the few Aussie BOC-Lers take heed > ..... they want to see what sort of public encouragement for the tour > they can achieve before committing to it. So, tell *all* your Oz > Hawkfrendz about it and lets MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!! > > A guy in Perth has organised a "Hawkwind Appreciation Night" at a > night club some time before Christmas, and I hope to organise a > similar event in Melbourne in the New Year .... and maybe also get > something happening in the other states as well. The idea is to get > the boys some funds to help pay some of the air-fare so the trip will > be worthwhile for them. > Let me know if you want a hand to organise something. > I'll just return to my state of deleria now ..... > > Sonique > -- Regards Marty From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Nov 10 20:08:24 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:08:24 +1100 Subject: HW - Oz Tour :-) !!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: The news has never been so darn fine, I must say. But there's a few questions I feel I must ask, to at least slightly clear my befuddled mind. What exacty did Mr Smith say? By this I mean, is it worthwhile to start getting things going in the near future? Or wait for further conformation? On the topic of a HW appreciation night - what are some thaughts on this? I'm VERY interested in organising one of these (most of my parties are HW appreciation nights, so this is realy just one on a bigger scale, I guess). The purpose is to raise money or publicity? Or both? This may be a little pre-emptive, but a few comments about a venue. Would outdoor or indoor be better? I'm thinking of outdoor, perhaps at the Woodford Folk Festival site (if anyone knows of this), as I know a chap that's involved in running it. I'm not sure of indoor venues. Anyway, I'll start putting some adds on the radio station around here soon etc etc. Oh, and sorry to the non-Australian people on the list, but as you may well be able to imagine, we're all in a fairly heady euphoric state at the moment (well, I am at least...) -Max Wilcox From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Nov 10 20:31:15 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:31:15 +1100 Subject: OFF: Burroughs Message-ID: Jerry wrote: > > All this talk about Burroughs reminded me of a friend of mine. He will start > a two-years study on Burroughs' work. Does anyone know of a website with > info on him? A Yahoo search gives me a tons of hits, so that doesn't really > help. > > Thanks, > Jerry I've never found a REALY comprehensive Burroughs page, but there's some great books around, such as the biography "Literary Outlaw", as well as some good interview books such as "The Job". What is this study, by the way? I've touched on Burroughs in my field of study, but he's not very well respected in the "literary" world, for some reason. I wish I could do a two year study on him, well, I guess I've already done that, in a self-driven kind of way... If your friend needs any information, I may have it, by the way. -Max Wilcox From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Nov 10 20:41:30 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:41:30 +1100 Subject: HW - Oz Tour :-) (was Re: HW- US Tour) Message-ID: On 11 Nov 96 at 12:14, Martyn Lawrence wrote: > > Speaking of tours - the good Mr. Smith sent me a fax just the > > other day where he mentions a strong possibility that Hawkwind > > will make it a "round trip", including Australia, and perhaps New > > Zealand, India and South Africa!!!!! > > > > I'd describe how I feel but an emoticon just wont cut it! > > > Well slapme sideways with a wet fish !!! > This is excellent news,but Paul when did you say you were going to > the USA ??? I hope its not around the same time. *NO* Job is worth missing that .... work can just damn well find someone else to go!!! Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Mon Nov 11 04:31:51 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:31:51 -0000 Subject: OFF: UK handgun ban Message-ID: That's enough! This is not a forum for the discussion of this issue. This is something I and probably many others feel very very strongly about. I do not want to see mails covering this subject, period! I subscribe to this list because I am interested in Hawkwind/BOC, I thought that is what the list is for. I am sure with a little searching a suitable newsgroup can be found for those wishing to vent their spleen about this matter. Thankyou. Mike Parkington. ---------- From: Jerry[SMTP:stayer at PI.NET] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 1996 01:39 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF: UK handgun ban Tim wrote: >Fight the UK Handgun ban: Join the Sportsman's Association of Great Britain I'll fight the UK handgun ban fight. Some sports should be banned... 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Like I said, I didn't see the original trailer. It might have been Joe Cocker taking the piss :) -- Jon Browne From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Nov 11 03:05:13 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:05:13 +1100 Subject: HW - Oz Tour :-) !!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: On 11 Nov 96 at 12:08, Max Wilcox wrote: > The news has never been so darn fine, I must say. But there's a few > questions I feel I must ask, to at least slightly clear my befuddled > mind. I know exactly what you mean Max! > What exacty did Mr Smith say? It was a long fax about lots of stuff, so I won't duplicate it verbatim here. The gist of it is that it's just an "idea" at the moment ..... but I don't think Doug would have mentioned it unless it's a real possibility. He was talking about the US tour and how it's being organised for the end of May when he brought it up. A guy in Perth (who I've since phoned to get some details) is "dead set to make it happen", and Doug is "treating it with respect but will not expect too much ... " he goes on to say that they are sending promo stuff for his "Hawkwind Appreciation Night", where he (Danny Kuljak) plans to raise $22,000 (that's about 11k sterling or 17-18 k USD folks), which I think is perhaps a little bit of wishful thinking. Doug said that they would look into the possibility of doing a round the world deal "amortising the costs on the ticket" at the tail of the US tour. He finishes of saying that "at least I have to give this a shot", then mentions S.Africa, India and NZ as other potential locations. So, there is nothing firm at all, and there's two ways to look at this: "won't bloody happen", or "Let's damn well MAKE it happen". Guess which camp I'm in? ;^) Naturally, I called Danny and asked him what he's up to, and it seems that he's booked a nightspot out in a few weeks time for the event, and is putting adverts in all the papers, on the radio etc. At least that part of it is confirmed. I naturally wrote a reply fax to Doug, where I talked about getting the ball rolling in other Oz cities, and asked heaps of questions about getting promo material, some copies of the Love in Space single for radio stations, etc. I also asked when they would be making a decision, and what it will take to make it teh one we want/need/MUST HAVE .... I think he's in Greece for the gigs over last weekend, so haven't heard back yet. I also mentioned the idea of getting darXtar as support (who *really* want to come to Oz) ... darXtar naturally gushed at the idea ;^) > By this I mean, is it > worthwhile to start getting things going in the near future? > > Or wait for further conformation? Well, I'm keen to start at least getting some ideas together, contacting venues, etc. real soon. When I get a reply from Doug with a better idea of it all, and perhaps once we see how Danny's event goes in Perth, it's time to jump in feet first. I know that if we don't do something, it more than likely won't happen .... I've been waiting for 'em to get here for 17 years now ..... I don't plan letting it fail due to complacency! The worst thing is that anything I organise in Melbourne can't happen until early Feb due to way too much to do at work until then ..... but that won't stop me from getting thing started at least! > On the topic of a HW appreciation night - what are some > thaughts on this? I'm VERY interested in organising one of > these (most of my parties are HW appreciation nights, so this > is realy just one on a bigger scale, I guess). The purpose is to > raise money or publicity? > Or both? Both .... there's no argument that HW would lose money if they toured Oz out of their own pockets, so any funds that can help pay for it will make the decision so much easier for them. On the other hand, they haven't been distributed locally here for years, so have *no* idea what their market is from import CD sales ..... this is one way to get some feel for their popularity! > This may be a little pre-emptive, but a few comments about a > venue. > Would outdoor or indoor be better? I'm thinking of outdoor, > perhaps at the Woodford Folk Festival site (if anyone knows > of this), as I know a chap that's involved in running it. I'm not > sure of indoor venues. I tend to favour indoor events for the appreciation nights ... unless we can round up some *good* HW cover bands, which might not be that easy. Something like an alternative theatre may be better than a club .... but I'm still thinking/talking to folk about this. Any ideas are welcome. > Anyway, I'll start putting some adds on the radio station > around here soon etc etc. I've been thinking along the lines of putting some public notices in the entertainment pages of the papers, as well as on the community radio stations and stuff to get "expressions of interest" and so .... first I have to get a PO Box though ... no wy am I giving out my address to the General Public!!! > Oh, and sorry to the non-Australian people on the list, but > as you may well be able to imagine, we're all in a fairly heady > euphoric state at the moment (well, I am at least...) Don't panic .... it's probably a refreshing cahnage from our usual moaning about them never coming here ;^))) Seriously though, we could probably make this private email from now on, and just put some updates out to BOC-L as things get happening. Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 11 07:36:42 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 07:36:42 EST Subject: OFF: UK handgun ban Message-ID: > Tim wrote: > > >Fight the UK Handgun ban: Join the Sportsman's Association of Great Britain > > I'll fight the UK handgun ban fight. Some sports should be banned... > > Jerry Somebody needs a handgun to hunt 4-legged prey? I know the 'sport' is practiced, but if sprtsmen just stuck with long arms then that many fewer handguns would be in circulation. Tim, think about what you're asking for. We Americans are drowning in handguns--and the blood spilt by their use. Take a lesson from us. And yes, I own all kinds of longarms and other assorted weapons, so don't label me a bleeding heart. If people are legitimate sportsmen, then they shouldn't object to having to pass some kind of clearance to be allowed to posess and carry weapons... theo From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Nov 11 08:21:24 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:21:24 +0000 Subject: OFF: UK handgun ban In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 11 Nov 1996 07:36:42 EST." <23D54937513@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: This is the *only* time I'm going to say something here. Take it to private email if you want to slag me off. Anyways - > > Tim wrote: > > > > >Fight the UK Handgun ban: Join the Sportsman's Association of Great Britain > > > > I'll fight the UK handgun ban fight. Some sports should be banned... I think y'all got a bit confused. We're talking about target shooting here - paper targets only. You aren't allowed to do game hunting in the UK at all, I believe, unless somebody wants to prove me wrong. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH KILLING ANIMALS FOR SPORT. I would never shoot something I wasn't going to subsequently eat, and since Tesco's is round the corner, I doubt I'll ever have to. The legislation being proposed is not aimed at that, but banning all handguns over 0.22 cal, possibly those as well. > > Jerry > > Somebody needs a handgun to hunt 4-legged prey? I know the 'sport' > is practiced, but if sprtsmen just stuck with long arms then that > many fewer handguns would be in circulation. Tim, think about what > you're asking for. We Americans are drowning in handguns--and the > blood spilt by their use. Take a lesson from us. And yes, I own all > kinds of longarms and other assorted weapons, so don't label me a > bleeding heart. If people are legitimate sportsmen, then they > shouldn't object to having to pass some kind of clearance to be > allowed to posess and carry weapons... That's the whole crux of the argument against the ban. We *do* have to get clearance, ie, a Firearms Certificate. But the system is fucked up, & lets guys like Ryan & Hamilton slip through. I only shoot target 0.22 rifle, but if the handgun ban goes through, I expect they will be next on the list. Tim From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 11 08:50:23 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:50:23 GMT Subject: OFF: UK handgun ban In-Reply-To: Jerry's message of Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:39:04 PST Message-ID: Jerry writes: > Tim wrote: > > >Fight the UK Handgun ban: Join the Sportsman's Association of Great Britain > > I'll fight the UK handgun ban fight. Some sports should be banned... Yeah, let's ban rallying and motor racing. Mike "people don't kill people, cars kill people" Holmes From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 11 08:53:13 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:53:13 GMT Subject: HW : On Joolz Holland? In-Reply-To: David Jones's message of Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:01:11 +0000 Message-ID: David Jones writes: > >I've just been told that someone saw the Hawks on a trailer for an > >upcoming Later With Jools Holland. I was told there was a quick clip of > >"some old long hairs" saying "We are Hawkwind". > > I saw the trailer for this last night and I think the band he saw were > Orbital - who said "We are Orbital" - I know it doesn't sound very > plausible but bear with me on this one, they were very incoherent - but > hten so was I. It was Orbital. FoFP From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Nov 11 09:20:34 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:20:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: UK handgun ban In-Reply-To: <9611111350.aa13107@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, M Holmes wrote: > Jerry writes: > > > Tim wrote: > > > > >Fight the UK Handgun ban: Join the Sportsman's Association of Great Britain > > > > I'll fight the UK handgun ban fight. Some sports should be banned... > > Yeah, let's ban rallying and motor racing. No, let's ban this bloody thread from this list!!!!! Cheers, Paul. obCD: Julian Cope, _Autogeddon_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Mon Nov 11 09:54:15 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:54:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK handgun ban Message-ID: >On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, M Holmes wrote: > >> Jerry writes: >> >> > Tim wrote: >> > >> > >Fight the UK Handgun ban: Join the Sportsman's Association of Great Britain >> > >> > I'll fight the UK handgun ban fight. Some sports should be banned... >> >> Yeah, let's ban rallying and motor racing. > >No, let's ban this bloody thread from this list!!!!! > Roy Wood was apparantly shot by a hunter while touring the USA with Wizzard in the 70's, and the hunter later stated 'I thought he was an animal'. Can anyone confirm this? (just trying to steer things through a topic-warp-loophole to avoid banning things! Ban the ban on the ban everybody!)...... Christian -------------------------------------------------------------- "I am not as much a vegetable as everything is vegetable soup" Christian Mumford From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Nov 11 10:04:44 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:04:44 -0500 Subject: Virgin Megastore Message-ID: Hi, I just got back from my holiday in the UK. I paid a visit to a Virgin megastore which just opened near my home. Amazingly good range of CDs to choose from. There must have been 20 or more Hawkwind CDs and while the prices still seems high (I'm used yoo-ess prices) it compared favourably ot Our Price/HMV/Music Connection Martyn ObBummer: failed to see "Trainspotting". Does anyone know when this will be released in the US and if they are going to bastardize it by having dubbing or subtitles (The radge c???ts ;-). From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 11 10:08:58 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:08:58 EST Subject: Virgin Megastore Message-ID: > Hi, > I just got back from my holiday in the UK. I > paid a visit to a Virgin megastore which just opened near > my home. Amazingly good range of CDs to choose from. > There must have been 20 or more Hawkwind CDs and while the > prices still seems high (I'm used yoo-ess prices) it compared > favourably ot Our Price/HMV/Music Connection > > Martyn > > ObBummer: failed to see "Trainspotting". Does anyone know when this > will be released in the US and if they are going to bastardize it > by having dubbing or subtitles (The radge c???ts ;-). It's been playing here for quite a while, though up here in the tundra it was relegated to 'art house' status, so I didn't get a chance to see it. I'm not sure, but I think it came over the pond intact... theo From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Nov 11 10:16:33 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:16:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Athens, 09.11.1996 Message-ID: Hi folks The HAWKS made it !!!! They played at the RODON CLUB in ATHENS (GREECE) on 09.November.1996 1000 people saw the 90 minutes gig. The lineup was: BROCK, DAVEY, RICHARDS, CHADWICK, TREE Here is an excerpt of the track list: assault&battery / golden void / needle gun / sputnik stan / love in space / uncle sam's on mars / brainstorm / camera that could lie...... .....more later this week Bernhard From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 11 10:33:00 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:33:00 GMT Subject: FAO Bernhard Message-ID: Q. What was the approx date for the recording of Warrior At The End of Time on Out & Intake? Cheers FoFP From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Mon Nov 11 10:39:43 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (THE REAL DIESEL?) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:39:43 EST Subject: BRAIN: Info from Deb Message-ID: >If you want to see the Brain Surgeons (as well as hear the material from the >soon-arriving Box of Hammers), your best bet is Saturday, November 23 at the >Rodeo Bar in NYC. >Right now it is also your ONLY bet, info you might want to pass on to anyone >who's interested and boc-l. [...] There are no plans to >play any more of these club shows in the near future. So tell anyone who >wants to see one of the Brain Surgeons fabled live shows to show up now or >forever.... >whatever... >Also, you might want to pass on the info that the only way to guarantee >yourself a copy of Box of Hammers (which is now being pressed at the plant) >is by using the mail order info posted to boc-l weeks ago. Orders will be >shipped out shortly on a first come, first served basis. People who delay too >long (as was the case with Career of Christmas, which rapidly sold out) >should not be surprised if the album is out of stock by the time the time the >spirit moves them to the mail box... >take care >hope you can make it ot the show >df Deb has unsubscribed from the list and asked me to pass on this information. I'll ask exactly where the Rodeo Bar is and post it soon. Brian From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Nov 11 10:44:21 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:44:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawklords set list Message-ID: Hi Andy At 16:32 10.11.96 -0000, you wrote: >You wouldn't have the set list for the Liverpool gig of that tour, Here it is: 08.10.78, LIVERPOOL, EMPIRE automoton / 25 years / high rise / death trap / micro man / urban guerilla / sonic attack / flying doctor / steppenwolf / psi power / brainstorm / free fall / robot / uncle sam's on mars / iron dream / silver machine Hope that helps Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 11 11:20:27 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:20:27 GMT Subject: Alan's bass influences (slight return) Message-ID: From the Alan Davey interview on www.hawkwind.com: > AD: I started playing bass in 1978; it was also my > first instrument. What made me want to learn was > Lemmy's bass solo on 'Time We Left' off of > 'Doremi'. It still gets me even now. No modern > bands interest me much today. I tend to like > music that has an original sound like Hawkwind, > Can, Black Sabbath and Motorhead. Ah ha! When we were discussing this a few months back and someone mentioned that Alan had been inspired by a track off _Doremi_. I *knew* it had to be the "Time We Left" solo! Hard to beat, that one. Cheers, Carl ObAlbum: Motorhead, _Overnight Sensation_, "I Don't Believe A Word" ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Nov 11 11:31:09 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:31:09 +0100 Subject: FAO Bernhard Message-ID: Hi Mike At 15:33 11.11.96 GMT, you wrote: >Q. What was the approx date for the recording of Warrior At The End of >Time on Out & Intake? LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON, 12.11.1982 Cheers Bernhard From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Nov 11 11:33:17 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:33:17 +0100 Subject: Alan's bass influences (slight return) Message-ID: >> AD: I started playing bass in 1978; it was also my >> first instrument. What made me want to learn was >> Lemmy's bass solo on 'Time We Left' off of >> 'Doremi'. It still gets me even now. No modern >> bands interest me much today. I tend to like >> music that has an original sound like Hawkwind, >> Can, Black Sabbath and Motorhead. > > Ah ha! When we were discussing this a few months back and someone >mentioned that Alan had been inspired by a track off _Doremi_. I *knew* it >had to be the "Time We Left" solo! Hard to beat, that one. If you don't beat it with the "Time We Left" solo on _Space Ritual vol 2_! >Cheers, >Carl sk?l och v?lkommen, \\joe From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Mon Nov 11 11:44:12 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:44:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: Winter! Message-ID: Are we the only ones who had snow yet?? Damn cold outside too! Christian -------------------------------------------------------------- "I am not as much a vegetable as everything is vegetable soup" Christian Mumford From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 11 11:48:52 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:48:52 EST Subject: OFF: Winter! Message-ID: > Are we the only ones who had snow yet?? Damn cold outside too! > > Christian > > We had a couple of inches last sunday, and I hear they're getting a couple of inches AN HOUR just 30 miles north of here right now! ___________________ theo, one of whose fave songs is Baby Ice Dog! From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Mon Nov 11 12:21:30 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:21:30 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawklords set list Message-ID: Thanks a lot. Andy C 08.10.78, LIVERPOOL, EMPIRE automoton / 25 years / high rise / death trap / micro man / urban guerilla / sonic attack / flying doctor / steppenwolf / psi power / brainstorm / free fall / robot / uncle sam's on mars / iron dream / silver machine Hope that helps Bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: It's started here in Pennsylvania 2 nights ago I was on the air at the radio station i work at and it was coming down in clumps the size of cotten balls Today it's just flurrying..... c'est la vie bryan From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Nov 11 13:27:26 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:27:26 -0500 Subject: Virgin Megastore Message-ID: >Trainspotting was released in the US in the theatres...all english.. Well if it's in English, it must have been dubbed. As I understand it, the UK version is in really thick genuine Scots (as in the book) Martyn From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 11 14:18:18 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:18:18 GMT Subject: Alan's bass influences (slight return) Message-ID: On m?n 11 nov 1996 17.33 "Johan Edlundh" wrote: > >I *knew* it > >had to be the "Time We Left" solo! Hard to beat, that one. > > If you don't beat it with the "Time We Left" solo on _Space Ritual vol 2_! Yes, yes, all right! ;) Cheers, Carl From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 11 14:28:12 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 03:28:12 +0800 Subject: Trainspotting (Was Virgin Megastore) Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > >Trainspotting was released in the US in the theatres...all english.. > > Well if it's in English, it must have been dubbed. As I > understand it, the UK version is in really thick genuine Scots (as > in the book) > > Martyn I read in a West Australian newspaper an article which states that some of it was dubbed for the American market William From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Mon Nov 11 14:45:20 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:45:20 -0600 Subject: USA Tour Help In-Reply-To: <961109000221_1349988591@emout07.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at Nov 9, 96 00:02:21 am Message-ID: > > In a message dated 96-11-08 15:05:48 EST, you write: > > > > >I have another "wild idea". How about enlisting the aide of fan "tour > >sponsers"? I'd be willing to "donate" a few bucks ($50 - 75 - 100? US) to > >help getting the band into the area. Maybe set somethin up so that the > >"sponsers" get on the tour gest list? Or maybe a garantee of a tour > >T-shirt? Or some other promo? > > Good idea. I have always been a proponent of raising the ticket prices but > Brock is dead set against it. How bout a tour jacket designed by Kris Tait, > for a hundred bucks or more a pop. Couldn't hurt. > > regards, > Bill Stewart I was thinking of something less expensive than a jacket so more of the money could go to getting the band on tour. A "Official On Tour Support Crew" T-Shirt as an acknolegment of the help might be a good choice considering the talk a few months ago about the lack of shirts on tour. Maybe the abillity to mail order ticket or two (like the Greatful Dead used to do before general sales of a show) included in the donation (set appropriatly (closer to the $100 US range)) to ensure availability for the supporter. What ever makes sense financially. -- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." - Albert Einstein Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6982 From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 11 16:18:03 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:18:03 -0500 Subject: Tape Trade Message-ID: Hi Jerry. Where are we on our tape trade? We were gonna trade some Spirit stuff and more... Lemme know... Ric From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Nov 11 16:39:44 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:39:44 -0600 Subject: OFF: Winter! In-Reply-To: <199611111644.RAA15218@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > Are we the only ones who had snow yet?? Damn cold outside too! Not here, deep in da heart of Tejas yet... Supposedly the panhandle (the NW part of the state, for the foreigners who might not know what I'm talking about) had a couple of inches a week or so ago. Here in Dallas, it's been in the mid-30s (Fahrenheit) at night occasionally. The highs are still in the 60s or 70s, though (still Fahrenheit). Damon "You get so much mucho, for not very much-o" Capehart From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 11 17:56:22 1996 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:56:22 -0500 Subject: info (fwd) Message-ID: >Where is the Rodeo Bar??? Ross: It's in Manhattan, on the corner or 27th Street and Third Ave. There's a big sign that says RODEO. We should go on around 11 (last time we went on exactly on time) and admission is free. It's a small club with a great sound system and they also have reasonably priced drinks and great food. Hope to meet you there! Al From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 11 18:28:15 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:28:15 GMT Subject: info (fwd) Message-ID: On m?n 11 nov 1996 17.56 "Albert T Bouchard" wrote: > >Where is the Rodeo Bar??? > > It's in Manhattan, on the corner or 27th Street and Third Ave. There's a > big sign that says RODEO. We should go on around 11 (last time we went on > exactly on time) and admission is free. It's a small club with a great > sound system and they also have reasonably priced drinks and great food. > Hope to meet you there! > Al What's this about no club dates planned for the near future? No shows around New Years again this year? From my specific and highly selfish point of view ;) I'd been hoping for something between 9 Dec and 9 Jan :) Ah well. I'd better get a move on and try to figure out how I'm going to order _Box of Hammers_ ... Cheers, Carl From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 11 18:45:02 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:45:02 GMT Subject: HW: Spacehead Message-ID: Maybe the subject title should be OFF: but since the album is produced on the Emergency Broadcast System Label it seems only fair to publicise it under the HW: header!! Anyhow - The Spacehead CD "...Of Stars and Time" has finally been released. Excellently beautiful cover (it's the Hubble Telescope's Starcloud picture). I've only had a chance to listen to it casually once but my memory is that it's heavy, fast, bass guitar driven with an intense drum beat and a fair amount of swosshy sounding keyboards. Basically hard space rock I guess! Powerful stuff. Dunno about Motorhead making your neighbour's lawn die but this lot would melt snow for about 10 miles around...... jill ObOffTopic: So where's the best skiing in the US this year so far?? ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Nov 11 19:45:59 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:45:59 -0800 Subject: OFF: Winter! Message-ID: You wrote: > >Are we the only ones who had snow yet?? Damn cold outside too! > Oy...6+ inches on the ground and growing. We have a wonderful meteorological phenomenon here called Lake Effect. 2 miles away there's nary a trace. 15 miles and they've got something like 3 feet. Wylie From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Nov 11 20:47:17 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:47:17 +1100 Subject: HW: OzHawks Mailing List Message-ID: Hi All, I just created a mailing list for discussion about the possible '97 HW tour down under. If you aren't on it, and need to be ... just let me know. Best, Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Nov 11 17:23:49 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:23:49 +0000 Subject: trainspot...was:Virgin Megastore Message-ID: > It's been playing here for quite a while, though up here in the > tundra it was relegated to 'art house' status, so I didn't get a > chance to see it. I'm not sure, but I think it came over the pond > intact... > theo i rather thot he was refering to video.it left my local theatres a few weeks ago. really good movie,very nasty. i am sure it will be on vid soon,and would put money on the unlikelihood that they will alter it at all.why on earth would they? btw- anyone who liked this movie should also check out the movie 'naked'. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Nov 11 17:28:44 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:28:44 +0000 Subject: USA Tour Help Message-ID: i think ed had an excellent idea with this: Ed Gallagher wrote: > > I was thinking of something less expensive than a jacket so more of the > money could go to getting the band on tour. A "Official On Tour Support > Crew" T-Shirt as an acknolegment of the help might be a good choice > considering the talk a few months ago about the lack of shirts on tour. > Maybe the abillity to mail order ticket or two (like the Greatful > Dead used to do before general sales of a show) included in the donation > (set appropriatly (closer to the $100 US range)) to ensure availability for > the supporter. > > What ever makes sense financially. > -- rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Nov 11 17:31:42 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:31:42 +0000 Subject: Virgin Megastore Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > >Trainspotting was released in the US in the theatres...all english.. > > Well if it's in English, it must have been dubbed. As I > understand it, the UK version is in really thick genuine Scots (as > in the book) > > Martyn you are correct martin,and it was unchanged.it is fairly easy to understand the dialog though. it would still be called english by many here,just a vastly different dialect. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Nov 11 17:33:57 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:33:57 +0000 Subject: Trainspotting (Was Virgin Megastore) Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > > Martyn White wrote: > > > > >Trainspotting was released in the US in the theatres...all english.. > > > > Well if it's in English, it must have been dubbed. As I > > understand it, the UK version is in really thick genuine Scots (as > > in the book) > > > > Martyn > > I read in a West Australian newspaper an article which states that some > of it was dubbed for the American market > > William i dont know,but ive met a few scots (you know who you are.;) ),and it seemed to be the original sound.i dont think it was dubbed much,if at all.i was paying extremely close attention,and was not stoned.:) rj From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Nov 11 21:35:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 21:35:00 -0500 Subject: HW:Alien Planetscapes Message-ID: Hello, This is off the subject, but my friend Doug Walker, his band Alien Planetscapes (may have heard them on the latest Cleopatra Space Box) have a new cassette out called Better than Television. It is $4.00 includes postage in the US. It is a preview of material that will be on their CD called Life on Earth? Alien Planetscapes 191-32 116th Ave St. Albans, NY 11412. SCott ObCS- Alien Planetscapes- NYC Marathon 44th and Cresent, Queens 11/3/96 From djve at DEAKIN.EDU.AU Mon Nov 11 22:35:03 1996 From: djve at DEAKIN.EDU.AU (David Evans) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:35:03 +1100 Subject: HW: OzHawks Mailing List Message-ID: I think its a pipe dream but I'd love to see them before I die so add me to it you sadistic bugger. :) David -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Systems Programmer | Productivity Through Technology Information Technology Services | Deakin University | email: djve at deakin.edu.au Geelong VIC 3217 Australia | Also: root, postmaster, admin, Tel: +61 52 273384 Fax: +61 52 272010 | webmaster & usenet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul G Ward wrote: > Hi All, > > I just created a mailing list for discussion about the possible '97 > HW tour down under. If you aren't on it, and need to be ... just let > me know. > > Best, > > Paul > -- > "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, > would it?" - Albert Einstein > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd > ................................................................... > Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 > Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au > ................................................................... > Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au > World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Nov 11 23:13:20 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:13:20 +1100 Subject: HW: OzHawks Mailing List Message-ID: On 12 Nov 96 at 14:35, David Evans wrote: > I think its a pipe dream but I'd love to see them before I die so > add me to it you sadistic bugger. :) ;^) Yer on .... -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 12 04:50:18 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:50:18 GMT Subject: Travellers of Space Message-ID: Can someone give me details of this album please? FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 12 04:51:00 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:51:00 GMT Subject: FAO Bernhard Message-ID: What was the play date for Cajun Jinx on OUt & Intake? FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 11 12:39:20 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:39:20 +0000 Subject: OFF: Winter! In-Reply-To: <24188D43819@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: In message <24188D43819 at hawk.syr.edu>, "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" writes >We had a couple of inches last sunday, and I hear they're getting a >couple of inches AN HOUR just 30 miles north of here right now! Where are you, Theo? -- Jon Browne From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 12 04:52:17 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:52:17 GMT Subject: FAO Bernhard Message-ID: Do you have the play date for Wind of Change on Weird 105? Cheers FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 11 05:47:10 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:47:10 +0000 Subject: HW : On Joolz Holland? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , David Jones writes >I saw the trailer for this last night and I think the band he saw were >Orbital - who said "We are Orbital" - I know it doesn't sound very >plausible but bear with me on this one, they were very incoherent - but >hten so was I. but...but...but...Orbital are all "of the Picard". I know Alan's a little "shiny of pate" but how could anyone (even some of my hopeless mates) mistake Orbital for the Hawks? Having said that, you're probably right! It wouldn't be hard to mistake them if you were just listening to a CD, if you could listen without predudice, that is. -- Jon Browne From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Tue Nov 12 06:34:32 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 21:34:32 +1000 Subject: BOC : The Quest continues....... Message-ID: Have you got a copy or has anyone offered to help you yet? If not, I think I can get it around here. Would you be interested in a trade? I'm looking for a BOC-Ler in the States who could order *Box of Hammers* for me in exchange for something. I don't have much to offer anyone else, I'm afraid, but I'm happy to negotiate. Pete. At 02:20 PM 9/11/96 +0000, Neil wrote: >Further to recent posts I sent re: Imaginos & the difficulty getting it.... > >It now transpires that Virgin are ordering Imaginos on Import on the Discovery label, which is why the've taken 7 weeks _so far_. > >Question: is this the release that other UK fans have ? Or has it gone out of print on the original label ? > >oh well, the wait continues.....only thing that keeps me searching for it, is the good reviews I hear on this list. > >Neil. > > ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "And sometimes I say things I shouldn't, Like..." - Warren Zevon From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Tue Nov 12 06:38:09 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:38:09 +0100 Subject: Rhesus test monkeys in space Message-ID: I just read the other day this article on the russians using rhesus monkeys for testing the physical effects of space travel on people. The poor little guys got strapped onto a tin-can like device inside a rocket and shot up into orbit for weeks (or months) and brought back down and tested on (muscle deterioration etc.). The article didn't really mention if they were ALIVE when they came back down, or how life support (say, taking a crap or getting peckish up there while strapped down) functions for the monkeys.... I wonder though if it's necessary - it's not like humans haven't spent enough time up there.... and being strapped down in weightless space for weeks probably deteriorate the monkeys more than normal - what happens when they come back down? Do they train them back in shape for the next mission? I think not.... Christian -------------------------------------------------------------- "I am not as much a vegetable as everything is vegetable soup" Christian Mumford From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Tue Nov 12 06:43:07 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 21:43:07 +1000 Subject: OFF: CD repairs Message-ID: I saw an ad on tv a while back for a CD repair product and I'm wondering if anyone has tried it. It seems to be some sort of lacquer that you paint over scratches to fill them in. Does it work? Any other ideas? Pete. ObLP: *Infinity* - Journey (I know, it's only pop/rock but I like it) ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "And sometimes I say things I shouldn't, Like..." - Warren Zevon From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Tue Nov 12 06:49:47 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:49:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: CD repairs Message-ID: >I saw an ad on tv a while back for a CD repair product and I'm wondering if >anyone has tried it. It seems to be some sort of lacquer that you paint over >scratches to fill them in. Does it work? Any other ideas? >Pete. > I've heard about this stuff too, because some of my favorite CDs have seen some rough times... I've thought about buying a sheet of transparent plastic film to coat the underside of the disc to see if that works, but I never got around to it. Christian -------------------------------------------------------------- "I am not as much a vegetable as everything is vegetable soup" Christian Mumford From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Nov 12 06:50:36 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 22:50:36 +1100 Subject: OFF: CD repairs Message-ID: On 12 Nov 96 at 21:43, Peter Sondergeld wrote: > I saw an ad on tv a while back for a CD repair product and I'm > wondering if anyone has tried it. It seems to be some sort of > lacquer that you paint over scratches to fill them in. Does it work? > Any other ideas? Pete. I haven't seen the advert, but we repaired some CD-ROM's at work successfully a few months back with something similar. It didn't help if the scratches were extremely deep, but we did get some discs working which had CRC errors ..... Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 12 07:25:31 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 07:25:31 EST Subject: OFF: Winter! Message-ID: > In message <24188D43819 at hawk.syr.edu>, "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" > writes > >We had a couple of inches last sunday, and I hear they're getting a > >couple of inches AN HOUR just 30 miles north of here right now! > > Where are you, Theo? > -- > Jon Browne Why right here in Syracuse NY, the snowiest 'major' city in north Amer. 'Course they got some two feet in Cleveland yesterday, so there's a head start. But we average well over a hundred inches a year most of the time... theo From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 12 09:02:06 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:02:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: Trainspotting In-Reply-To: <3287A94E.7406@erols.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, SKARSOL wrote: > Martyn White wrote: > > > > >Trainspotting was released in the US in the theatres...all English.. > > > > Well if it's in English, it must have been dubbed. As I > > understand it, the UK version is in really thick genuine Scots (as > > in the book) > > > > Martyn > > you are correct martin,and it was unchanged.it is fairly easy to > understand the dialog though. it would still be called English by many > here,just a vastly different dialect. rj > `Genuine' Scots is not English with a thick brogue, but Gaelic, an entirely separate language which you are very unlikely to hear in Irvine Welsh's Edinburgh! Therefore, the average English person should technically be able to understand a Glaswegian, but can they? Hell no! Yours, from south of the border by quite some way, Jon /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 12 09:28:14 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:28:14 EST Subject: 'Scots'/'Scotch' Message-ID: >>From Jon: > On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, SKARSOL wrote: > > > Martyn White wrote: > > > > > > >Trainspotting was released in the US in the theatres...all English.. > > > > > > Well if it's in English, it must have been dubbed. As I > > > understand it, the UK version is in really thick genuine Scots (as > > > in the book) > > > > > > Martyn > > > > you are correct martin,and it was unchanged.it is fairly easy to > > understand the dialog though. it would still be called English by many > > here,just a vastly different dialect. rj > > > > `Genuine' Scots is not English with a thick brogue, but Gaelic, > an entirely separate language which you are very unlikely to hear in > Irvine Welsh's Edinburgh! Therefore, the average English person should > technically be able to understand a Glaswegian, but can they? Hell no! > Yours, from south of the border by quite some way, > Jon > Maybe the UK folk on the list can explain this: Why is it 'Scots' in the UK, but in the US it's 'Scotch' or Scotish? For instance, we Americs. refer to the species of tree as Scotch Pine wheras in the UK it's called Scots Pine. Also, more importanly, what do you call the spirit, Scotch or Scots, and why do we spell whiskey different than you do? theo From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Tue Nov 12 09:35:08 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:35:08 +0100 Subject: 'Scots'/'Scotch' Message-ID: >> >Maybe the UK folk on the list can explain this: Why is it 'Scots' in >the UK, but in the US it's 'Scotch' or Scotish? For instance, we >Americs. refer to the species of tree as Scotch Pine wheras in the UK >it's called Scots Pine. Also, more importanly, what do you call the >spirit, Scotch or Scots, and why do we spell whiskey different than >you do? >theo > > Scotch is a Whiskey, but not a Scotsman (at least as far as I know)...... There's a lot of different ways of spelling within the English language (British or USA...or Scots?) - take 'color' and 'colour' for example... Christian -------------------------------------------------------------- "I am not as much a vegetable as everything is vegetable soup" Christian Mumford From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Tue Nov 12 09:39:38 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:39:38 -0000 Subject: OFF: 'Scots'/'Scotch' Message-ID: Whisky comes from Scotland, Whiskey comes from Ireland, and is better than Scotch but not than single malt. Scots is the plural of Scot (a person from Scotland), we also use the word Scottish Scots pine is probably a contraction of Scottish pine The Scottish word for the English is, I believe, bastard or sometimes git. Hope this helps Mike P. > Maybe the UK folk on the list can explain this: Why is it 'Scots' in the UK, but in the US it's 'Scotch' or Scotish? For instance, we Americs. refer to the species of tree as Scotch Pine wheras in the UK it's called Scots Pine. 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From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Nov 12 09:50:46 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:50:46 -0500 Subject: OFF: Whisky, Whiskey Message-ID: Scotch is Whisky but in Ireland and the US, it is Whiskey (with as e). Maybe the Beautiful South put it best in the track liar's bar (from "Blue is the Colour") singing Whisky, Whiskey, so good they named it twice ;*) Martyn From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Tue Nov 12 10:15:52 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:15:52 -0000 Subject: Trainspotting Message-ID: Now thats not entirely correct. There is a language called Scots that is different to Gaelic. Scots is sort of English but with a VERY strong accent and a large number of words quite different. There is even a Scots dictionary. If the film where in Scots then most of Scotland wouldn't be able to understand it, never mind the English or the Americans. I understand the accents in the film where toned down for the first 1/2 hour to give those overseas a chance to get used to it. Andy C --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- `Genuine' Scots is not English with a thick brogue, but Gaelic, an entirely separate language which you are very unlikely to hear in Irvine Welsh's Edinburgh! Therefore, the average English person should technically be able to understand a Glaswegian, but can they? Hell no! Yours, from south of the border by quite some way, Jon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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EL 84 wrote: > > >From Jon: > > > On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, SKARSOL wrote: > > > > > Martyn White wrote: > > > > > > > > >Trainspotting was released in the US in the theatres...all English.. > > > > > > > > Well if it's in English, it must have been dubbed. As I > > > > understand it, the UK version is in really thick genuine Scots (as > > > > in the book) > > > > > > > > Martyn > > > > > > you are correct martin,and it was unchanged.it is fairly easy to > > > understand the dialog though. it would still be called English by many > > > here,just a vastly different dialect. rj > > > > > > > `Genuine' Scots is not English with a thick brogue, but Gaelic, > > an entirely separate language which you are very unlikely to hear in > > Irvine Welsh's Edinburgh! Therefore, the average English person should > > technically be able to understand a Glaswegian, but can they? Hell no! > > Yours, from south of the border by quite some way, > > Jon > > > Maybe the UK folk on the list can explain this: Why is it 'Scots' in > the UK, but in the US it's 'Scotch' or Scotish? For instance, we > Americs. refer to the species of tree as Scotch Pine wheras in the UK > it's called Scots Pine. Also, more importanly, what do you call the > spirit, Scotch or Scots, and why do we spell whiskey different than > you do? > theo Being Scottish and living in Australia, I thought I'd mention that we refer to ourselves as Scots. It is non-Scots who refer to us as Scotch. To us, the only Scotch is the kind you consume. William From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Tue Nov 12 10:36:48 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:36:48 -0600 Subject: USA Tour Help In-Reply-To: <3287A89C.210C@erols.com> from "SKARSOL" at Nov 11, 96 10:28:44 pm Message-ID: > i think ed had an excellent idea with this: > > Ed Gallagher wrote: > > I was thinking of something less expensive than a jacket so more of the > > money could go to getting the band on tour. A "Official On Tour Support > > Crew" T-Shirt as an acknolegment of the help might be a good choice > > considering the talk a few months ago about the lack of shirts on tour. > > Maybe the abillity to mail order ticket or two (like the Greatful > > Dead used to do before general sales of a show) included in the donation > > (set appropriatly (closer to the $100 US range)) to ensure availability for > > the supporter. > > > > What ever makes sense financially. > > -- > rj Thanks rj. Just let me know what I can do to help. -- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." - Albert Einstein Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6982 From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 12 10:47:07 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:47:07 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: 'Scots'/'Scotch' In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. EL 84's message of Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:28:14 EST Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 writes: > > `Genuine' Scots is not English with a thick brogue, but Gaelic, not quite - actually genuine 'Scots' is Lallans (a lowland language that many folk say should be given language status in its own right but others say is just a mixture of Northumbrian, English, and Gaelic). Gaelic is otherwise known as Erse and is a genuine independent (Celtic) language along with Breton, Cornish, Welsh and British (now defunct). I guess Gaelic could be considered 'Scots' in that the original speakers were the Irish who were known as the "Scotti" tribe when they first moved into SW Scotland and settled there in the 4th or 5th centuries AD. At that time, of course, Scotland was speaking Pictish. > Maybe the UK folk on the list can explain this: Why is it 'Scots' in > the UK, but in the US it's 'Scotch' or Scotish? For instance, we Scotch is probably the original form of everything Scots but there was a god-awful period in the 60s when the word Scotch came to denote the worst of kitch tartan trews, Harry Lauder, and White Heather Club Highland Dancing and whisky. So there was a kind of backlash where "Scots" became the true person who lived and worked and was part of the country of Scotland and "Scotch" was the whisky and the quasi-culture portrayed for tourists. > Americs. refer to the species of tree as Scotch Pine wheras in the UK > it's called Scots Pine. Also, more importanly, what do you call the > spirit, Scotch or Scots, and why do we spell whiskey different than > you do? > theo American whiskey is NOT repeat NOT Scottish whisky and ever will remain so - differentiated in spelling to prove the fact! It's a copyright thing now as much as anything else but then the word whisky is derived from Gaelic Usquebaugh (unspellable!) and when first translated didn't need the extra 'e' to carry the sound through to English. 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All I know is that they played this song only during Nov/Dec 1986 Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Nov 12 10:59:09 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:59:09 +0100 Subject: FAO Bernhard Message-ID: Hello Mike At 09:52 12.11.96 GMT, you wrote: >Do you have the play date for Wind of Change on Weird 105? I'm not 100% sure but I think it was LONDON, 05.10.1976 Bernhard From kenneth.drew.3 at ND.EDU Tue Nov 12 10:46:42 1996 From: kenneth.drew.3 at ND.EDU (Ken Drew) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:46:42 -0500 Subject: Happy Birthday Buck Dharma Message-ID: Buck Dharma, whose real name is Donald Roeser, is 49 years old today Nov. 12. Happy birthday and keep on rockin! From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Nov 12 11:13:40 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:13:40 +0800 Subject: Area S4 Message-ID: Can someone tell me what tracks are on the "Area S4" CD, and whether these tracks appear elsewhere? William From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Nov 12 11:22:57 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:22:57 -0500 Subject: 'Scots'/'Scotch' Message-ID: >Maybe the UK folk on the list can explain this: Why is it 'Scots' in >the UK, but in the US it's 'Scotch' or Scotish? For instance, we >Americs. refer to the species of tree as Scotch Pine wheras in the UK >it's called Scots Pine. Also, more importanly, what do you call the >spirit, Scotch or Scots, and why do we spell whiskey different than >you do? >theo You mean in the UK it's "Scots Tape" instead of "Scotch Tape"?? +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Baron Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Nov 12 11:29:28 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:29:28 -0500 Subject: Re-printing Battlelords (fwd) Message-ID: >first. We are also thinking of selling disks with PDF files of parts of >the HUGE (not kidding, the caps were appropriate) amount of material we >have that is unpublished. These will most likely cost around $5. Details on >this will be posted shortly once Aaron and I have the kinks worked out. I >hope this helps everyone understand our position a little better. I would love it if you did this, even though you probably won't see as much return per project sold. This would be much cheaper to manufacture, right? +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Baron Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From mjf at GRAHAM.COM Tue Nov 12 11:57:07 1996 From: mjf at GRAHAM.COM (Mike Fuller) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 08:57:07 -0800 Subject: OFF: Winter! In-Reply-To: <25525D8666F@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: >>>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 1996 07:25:31 EST, "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" >>>>> said: Ted> Why right here in Syracuse NY, the snowiest 'major' city in north Ted> Amer. 'Course they got some two feet in Cleveland yesterday, so Ted> there's a head start. But we average well over a hundred inches a Ted> year most of the time... theo It's definitely winter in California, too. It actually *RAINED* *TWICE* here last week (before that, it only rained once since May), and we're not even going to break 70 degrees today (67 is the forecast)! ;-) -- Mike P.S., I lived in the Akron/Cleveland area for 23 years, so I'm allowed to make fun of snow. From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Nov 12 12:22:34 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:22:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: Winter! Message-ID: >>>>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 1996 07:25:31 EST, "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" >>>>>> said: > >Ted> Why right here in Syracuse NY, the snowiest 'major' city in north >Ted> Amer. 'Course they got some two feet in Cleveland yesterday, so >Ted> there's a head start. But we average well over a hundred inches a >Ted> year most of the time... theo > >It's definitely winter in California, too. It actually *RAINED* *TWICE* >here last week (before that, it only rained once since May), and we're >not even going to break 70 degrees today (67 is the forecast)! ;-) I know, tell me about it. Here in Palm Beach (FL) it only got into the low 70's all weekend. And it was breezy, too. Poor Captain Cloud is way up north in the froz..uh, cool to the touch tundra of Palm Bay, FL, about 100 miles north of here. I don't think it broke 70 degrees up there on Saturday. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Baron Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 12 12:57:20 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:57:20 GMT Subject: OFF: 'Scots'/'Scotch' In-Reply-To: Mike Parkington's message of Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:55:53 -0000 Message-ID: *** WARNING - Seriously off topic subject *** Mike Parkington writes: > Jill writes: > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > British (now defunct) > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > I've never heard of this one, tell me more. > > M It was the language spoken by the Britons (probably akin to Welsh) when the Romans arrived - Britain at that time being occupied by a mixture of various tribes of Iron Age folk all of whom spoke a variation of the Celtic language (hence they have come to be culturally known as Celts). Gaulish was another Celtic language around at the time which was later overwhelmed by the French language in much the same way as British became overwhelmed by a combination of Latin, French and Anglo Saxon. Whether it lurks quietly in the linguistic backwaters of geographical names such as rivers or hills or placenames is very much open to question but there are the occasional odd appearances of double L and names beginning with Pen, particularly in the remoter areas of England that could be survivals I'd hazard. Sadly the Celtic speakers had some religious prohibition about writing anything down - everything had to be memorised - which made them very persuasive and eloquent speakers with one of the finest oral literary traditions around but did nothing to preserve their language! sigh jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 12 12:59:34 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:59:34 EST Subject: OFF: Winter! Message-ID: > > >>>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 1996 07:25:31 EST, "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" > >>>>> said: > > Ted> Why right here in Syracuse NY, the snowiest 'major' city in north > Ted> Amer. 'Course they got some two feet in Cleveland yesterday, so > Ted> there's a head start. But we average well over a hundred inches a > Ted> year most of the time... theo > > It's definitely winter in California, too. It actually *RAINED* *TWICE* > here last week (before that, it only rained once since May), and we're > not even going to break 70 degrees today (67 is the forecast)! ;-) > > -- > Mike > > P.S., I lived in the Akron/Cleveland area for 23 years, so I'm allowed > to make fun of snow. It's snowing right now, big time. It was whiting out for about an hour, earlier this morning. Only a few inches total so far... 'theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 12 13:12:34 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:12:34 EST Subject: happy birthday Message-ID: Speaking of BD's b'day, someone on another list says today is Neil Young's birthday too... theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 12 13:48:18 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:48:18 GMT Subject: happy birthday Message-ID: On tis 12 nov 1996 13.12 "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" wrote: > Speaking of BD's b'day, someone on another list says today is Neil > Young's birthday too... Just for the record it's also Tania Ruiz's birthday, who maintains the Brain Surgeons WWW page. (Or if it isn't and I'm wrong, I'm in very serious trouble ... ;) Cheers, Carl From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Nov 12 13:49:28 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 19:49:28 +0100 Subject: happy birthday Message-ID: At 06:48 PM 11/12/96 GMT, you wrote: >On tis 12 nov 1996 13.12 "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" >wrote: >> Speaking of BD's b'day, someone on another list says today is Neil >> Young's birthday too... > > Just for the record it's also Tania Ruiz's birthday, who maintains the >Brain Surgeons WWW page. (Or if it isn't and I'm wrong, I'm in very >serious trouble ... ;) > Why??? -Daniel . From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 12 13:54:05 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:54:05 GMT Subject: Area S4 Message-ID: On ons 13 nov 1996 00.13 "William Duffy" wrote: > Can someone tell me what tracks are on the "Area S4" CD, and whether > these tracks appear elsewhere? The tracks are: "Alien (I Am) - The Roswell Edit", "Death Trap", "Wastelands", and "Are You Losing Your Mind?". The first is an edited version of the track from _Alien 4_, and the last three are exactly as they appear on _Alien 4_. Cheers, Carl ObCD: Motorhead, _Bastards_. ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 12 13:55:24 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:55:24 GMT Subject: 'Scots'/'Scotch' Message-ID: On tis 12 nov 1996 11.22 "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: > You mean in the UK it's "Scots Tape" instead of "Scotch Tape"?? No, this problem has been avoided by calling it Sello-tape. :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 12 13:58:07 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:58:07 GMT Subject: happy birthday Message-ID: On tis 12 nov 1996 19.49 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > At 06:48 PM 11/12/96 GMT, you wrote: > > Just for the record it's also Tania Ruiz's birthday, who maintains the > > Brain Surgeons WWW page. (Or if it isn't and I'm wrong, I'm in very > > serious trouble ... ;) > > Why??? Because the last time I forget which day her birthday was, I was threatened with grievious bodily harm ;) I have an extremely bad memory for details like this ... Cheers, Carl From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Nov 12 14:06:20 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:06:20 +0100 Subject: happy birthday Message-ID: >> Why??? > > Because the last time I forget which day her birthday was, I was >threatened with grievious bodily harm ;) I have an extremely bad memory >for details like this ... > >Cheers, >Carl > > Oh, so it's no use telling you that my birthday is the 14th of May... 'cause you'll not remember to send me (expensive) presents. But of course, you can send me presents whenever you want to, I don't care if it's the wrong day or not. Tell Tania I said that. ;-) -Daniel . From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Nov 12 14:10:15 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:10:15 +0100 Subject: Travellers of Space Message-ID: At 09:50 1996-11-12 GMT, you wrote: >Can someone give me details of this album please? > >FoFP Nik Turner & Travellers of Space (Cleopatra) 1 Nik Turner Master of the Universe (Space Ritual) 2 Nik Turner Isis & Nepthys (Sphynx) 3 Spiral Realms A Trip to G9 (A Trip to G9) 4 Anubian Lights Grid Coordinate: Vorp 1 (Eternal Sky) 5 Pressurehead Slo Blo (Sudden Vertigo) 6 Nik Turner Careful with that Axe, Eugene (A Saucerful of Pink) 7 Zero Gravity Space Does Not Care (Space Does Not Care) 8 Melting Euphoria Venusian Skyline (Upon the Solar Winds) 9 Robert Calvert Lord of the Hornets (Freq) 10 Helios Creed The Master (Cosmic Assault) 11 Spiral Realms Voyage to Pluto (Journeys from the Future) 12 Steve P. Took Scorpius (Missing Link to Tyrannosaurus Rex) 13 Chrome 3rd from the Sun (3rd from the Sun) 14 Nik Turner Bones of Elvis (Prophets of Time) this item may not be wide spread, as my copy has the catalouge number CLEO PRO-2 (For Promotion Only) cheers - \\joe From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 12 15:21:18 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:21:18 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: happy birthday Message-ID: On tis 12 nov 1996 20.06 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > Oh, so it's no use telling you that my birthday is the 14th of May... > 'cause you'll not remember to send me (expensive) presents. It's not so much the remembering in this case--it's the lack of vast wealth with which to buy expensive presents. > But of course, you can send me presents whenever you want to, I don't care if > it's the wrong day or not. N?, that's very public-spirited of you ;) Cheers, Carl From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Tue Nov 12 15:37:11 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:37:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Melting Euphoria Message-ID: I've been slimed! As far as I am aware, Melting Euphoria has three albums: 1994 Through the Strands of Time Stratospheric STR701 1995 Upon the Solar Winds Cleopatra CLEO9609-2 1996 Beyond the Maybe Machine Cleopatra CLP9778-2 I got _Through the Strands of Time_ because it was used and cheap, and it is great! Delicious psychedelic space rock... Then I got _Upon the Solar Winds_, and was extremely disappointed to discover that the songs are a bunch of inferior re-recordings of the songs on _Through the Strands of Time_! I think the difference is due to the replacement of the keyboard player. I might be prejudiced by hearing the other first, but these versions just lack so much of the synthy spark of the originals. (These also lack the vocals, because the original keyboard player was also a vocalist, but that's not a problem.) From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 12 14:35:22 1996 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 19:35:22 +0000 Subject: OFF : Was Re HW On Joolz Holland? Message-ID: >but...but...but...Orbital are all "of the Picard". I know Alan's a >little "shiny of pate" but how could anyone (even some of my hopeless >mates) mistake Orbital for the Hawks? Having said that, you're probably >right! It wouldn't be hard to mistake them if you were just listening to >a CD, if you could listen without predudice, that is. >-- >Jon Browne I did worry a bit about the lack of hair but the word Orbital was so incoherent it really wasnt recognisible. I watched the trailer quite closely because I'd already read your post and they were the only alternative - the rest were too well spoken. Taped the program and Orbital were brilliant I thought. I have Snivilisation as part of my collection of bands starting with the letters Orb (Orb, Orbit, Orbital, William Orbit) but I hadn't heard any newer stuff. David From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed Nov 13 10:59:52 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:59:52 EST Subject: HW: Athens, 09.11.1996 In-Reply-To: <3.0b35.32.19961111161431.0068f03c@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de>; from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Nov 12, 96 04:16:33 pm Message-ID: G'day & Greetings > > 1000 people saw the 90 minutes gig. > The lineup was: BROCK, DAVEY, RICHARDS, CHADWICK, TREE > Does this mean that Jerry Richards is Full-time ??? Also Who is the Guitarist that joins in on the encore of the treeworgy(sp?) tree fayre video,anyone know ? regards Marty(hopefull that the OZ tour will happen) From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Nov 12 22:12:45 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 19:12:45 -0800 Subject: OFF: Melting Euphoria Message-ID: You wrote: > >I've been slimed! > >As far as I am aware, Melting Euphoria has three albums: > >1994 Through the Strands of Time Stratospheric STR701 >1995 Upon the Solar Winds Cleopatra CLEO9609-2 >1996 Beyond the Maybe Machine Cleopatra CLP9778-2 > >I got _Through the Strands of Time_ because it was used and cheap, >and it is great! Delicious psychedelic space rock... > >Then I got _Upon the Solar Winds_, and was extremely disappointed >to discover that the songs are a bunch of inferior re-recordings of >the songs on _Through the Strands of Time_! Hmmm. I'd like to hear the original. I've quite enjoyed Solar. Maybe Machine, OTOH, I find unlistenable. I don't even know why, but the thing just irritates the hell out of me. Wylie From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Nov 12 22:25:52 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:25:52 +1100 Subject: OFF: New Motorhead CD Message-ID: Can some kind Gent (or Lady ... I'm not fussed) pls tell me the label /cat# for the new Motorhead CD? Thanks, Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Tue Nov 12 22:36:46 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 22:36:46 -0500 Subject: OFF: Melting Euphoria Message-ID: > Hmmm. I'd like to hear the original. I've quite enjoyed Solar. It just occurred to me that the vocals on _Through the Strands of Time_ sound a little bit like Robert Calvert, both in content and delivery. The vocalist/keyboardist guy's name (on TtSoT only) is Don Falcone. An Altavista search reveals he's in another group called the Spice Barons. From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Nov 12 18:36:34 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:36:34 +0000 Subject: 'Scots'/'Scotch' Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > Being Scottish and living in Australia, I thought I'd mention that we > refer to ourselves as Scots. It is non-Scots who refer to us as Scotch. > > To us, the only Scotch is the kind you consume. > > William living in the us,ive only heard the word scotch as pertains to alcohol, and transparent tape.ive never heard anyone call a scot a scotch. :) rj From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Tue Nov 12 23:16:53 1996 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:16:53 -0800 Subject: OFF: New Motorhead CD In-Reply-To: <199611122352.KAA04884@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> from "Paul G Ward" at Nov 13, 96 02:25:52 pm Message-ID: Paul asks: > Can some kind Gent (or Lady ... I'm not fussed) pls tell me the label > /cat# for the new Motorhead CD? I never looked for a catalog number before, but I guess it's the one on the side (the only one that looks fairly unique, other numbers are things like track numbers...) CMC 0607686203-2 It's from CMC International Records. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I gnome at teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~gnome "The world is a comedy to those who think, and a tragedy to those who feel." -Tom Robbins From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Wed Nov 13 05:37:10 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:37:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: Winter! Message-ID: >> >> >>>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 1996 07:25:31 EST, "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" >> >>>>> said: >> >> Ted> Why right here in Syracuse NY, the snowiest 'major' city in north >> Ted> Amer. 'Course they got some two feet in Cleveland yesterday, so >> Ted> there's a head start. But we average well over a hundred inches a >> Ted> year most of the time... theo >> >> It's definitely winter in California, too. It actually *RAINED* *TWICE* >> here last week (before that, it only rained once since May), and we're >> not even going to break 70 degrees today (67 is the forecast)! ;-) >> >> -- >> Mike >> >> P.S., I lived in the Akron/Cleveland area for 23 years, so I'm allowed >> to make fun of snow. > >It's snowing right now, big time. It was whiting out for about an >hour, earlier this morning. Only a few inches total so far... >'theo > > Up here it was sudden - last Friday it was autumn, Saturday morning I wake up and look out the window, and it's winter. But I shouldn't complain, because way up north it's gonna be night for the next 6 months! Hey, the shops have started selling X-mas junk already too.... Christian From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 12 13:03:49 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:03:49 +0000 Subject: Area S4 In-Reply-To: <3288A234.7EF7@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: In message <3288A234.7EF7 at iinet.net.au>, William Duffy writes >Can someone tell me what tracks are on the "Area S4" CD, and whether >these tracks appear elsewhere? > >William Alien (Am I ) - The Roswell Edit Death Trap Wastelands Are You Losing Your Mind All are on the "Alien 4" . The Roswell Edit might as well read Radio Edit. There's nothing extra on this EP. You still have to buy it, mind. :) -- Jon Browne From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 13 07:29:02 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:29:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: 'Scots'/'Scotch' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > *Actually*, the technical term for the Scotish dialect of English is > "Scots" or "Scots English". The non-English Scotish tongue is "Scots > Gaelic" (as distinct from Irish Gaelic, which also has a variety of > appellations). > > Academically, > Carl Well, that's as may be but it's still spelt `Scottish'... Pedantically, ^ Jon ( :-p ) /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 13 07:39:12 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:39:12 +0000 Subject: OFF! 'Scots'/'Scotch' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On tis 12 nov 1996 11.22 "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: > > You mean in the UK it's "Scots Tape" instead of "Scotch Tape"?? > > No, this problem has been avoided by calling it Sello-tape. :) Well, no. It is Scotch tape over here, but it's tougher and browner than Sellotape, and is the sort of stuff you put on heavy parcels and so on. Sellotape is what they call Scotch tape in America, but in Australia is called Durex, which gives never-ending amusement to those of us in the UK with suitably puerile minds... Guess that's me today, yours, Jon P.S. I can think of no way to drag this on-topic bar that I'm sure there must have been some Scotch tape in the medical bag of Uncle Bob's Flying Doctor... /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 13 08:48:17 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:48:17 -0500 Subject: happy birthday Message-ID: Well, not as connected to BOC or this list as Buck or Tania, today (November 13th) happens to be my wife Carol's birthday. John From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Nov 13 10:20:39 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:20:39 -0500 Subject: BOTH: Microsoft Plus! Themes for Windows 95 Message-ID: (This is also a test of my new laptop's capacity to send mail). For those of you that have to use W95 on your PC's and have the Plus! add-on installed, there are some neat themes available as freeware from various sources. On the ol' 486, the kids are looking at a Star Wars based theme and over here on the P100 laptop, I have downloaded a Frank Zappa theme (OK, here's the poop on getting it. You can try www.windows95.com and use their link under THEMES A-G, but I never got it in over three+ weeks of trying. I finally ftp'd it from ftp.coast.net, under the /pub/Coast/win95/desktop directory, file is zappa.zip; took me damn-near forever, even at 28.8, due to the load on the server. Must be a 286/8!). For those of you that don't know what the themes gives you, it gives you custom wallpaper (the FZ zip contains four different themes!), custom icons, sounds, pointers, etc. Why I'm bringing this up is, does anyone know of a theme-pack that would be appropriate for HW and/or BOC? (Star Rats, this would be a cool download from the HW Web page, hint, hint! I'm not volunteering to do it, don't have the skill/time/gear to do it, but maybe someone out there...). Makes having to stare at this darn screen a little more palatable... objCDPlayer: Mark Shreeve: CrashHead (I'd still like to hear a MS/HW collaboration!) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2251 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Nov 13 10:37:49 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:37:49 +0100 Subject: happy birthday Message-ID: At 08:48 AM 11/13/96 -0500, you wrote: >Well, not as connected to BOC or this list as Buck or Tania, today >(November 13th) happens to be my wife Carol's birthday. > >John > > Hurray!!! -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mjf at GRAHAM.COM Wed Nov 13 11:27:06 1996 From: mjf at GRAHAM.COM (Mike Fuller) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:27:06 -0800 Subject: happy birthday In-Reply-To: <199611131348.IAA10417@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >>>>> On Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:48:17 -0500, John A Swartz >>>>> said: John> Well, not as connected to BOC or this list as Buck or Tania, today John> (November 13th) happens to be my wife Carol's birthday. It might be connected if you celebrated her birthday with track #3 from _Secret Treaties_... ;-) -- Mike From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Wed Nov 13 11:31:30 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:31:30 -0500 Subject: BOC: photos Message-ID: Someone offering BOC photos. Respond to him directly. > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 21:23:59 -0800 > From: W B Bailey > To: kalex at umich.edu > Subject: BOC Photos > > Would anyone want copies of photos I took in Winterland SF? I have a lot > there plus the Cow Palace. And the Oregon Jam 82. > Got some great backstage too. From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Nov 13 11:53:01 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:53:01 +0100 Subject: FAO Bernhard Message-ID: Hi again Mike At 09:51 12.11.96 GMT, you wrote: >What was the play date for Cajun Jinx on OUt & Intake? This is a studio version, not a live version !! Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Nov 13 11:53:02 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:53:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Athens, 09.11.1996 Message-ID: At 10:59 13.11.96 EST, you wrote: >G'day & Greetings >> >> 1000 people saw the 90 minutes gig. >> The lineup was: BROCK, DAVEY, RICHARDS, CHADWICK, TREE >> >Does this mean that Jerry Richards is Full-time ??? Don't know. Just ask Dale (Star-Rats). Maybe he can give you an answer Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 13 11:55:14 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:55:14 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: happy birthday Message-ID: On ons 13 nov 1996 08.48 "John A Swartz" wrote: > Well, not as connected to BOC or this list as Buck or Tania, today > (November 13th) happens to be my wife Carol's birthday. Well, happy birthday Carol! Cheers, Carl From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Nov 13 12:42:17 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:42:17 -0500 Subject: OFF! - trying to drag scotch tape on-topic Message-ID: >On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >P.S. I can think of no way to drag this on-topic bar that I'm sure there >must have been some Scotch tape in the medical bag of Uncle Bob's Flying >Doctor... I think I heard you can use scotch tape to patch scratches on CDs... Since listmembers around the world have different kinds of scotch/sello tape, anyone interested in setting up a tape tree? You people send a small pine tree cutout card to me, I'll put some tape on it and send it to three others, who'll add tape to it, and so on until we have a nifty tape tree we can use for christmas... hmmmmm... no, I guess it is impossible to drag this on-topic.... unless we use duct tape, which can accomplish anything. For example, if Captain Lockheed had had duct tape aboard his ship, he wouldn't have had to eject and instead could have patched it together avoiding ejection. at the first signs of sonic attack, use duct tape, not scotch tape over your ears. do not distrubute this tape to others, think only of yourself... The silver machine was silver because it was held together with duct tape. Heavy duct tape: comes in black and silver . . what do you think, sirs? +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Baron Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 13 13:31:19 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:31:19 GMT Subject: FAO Bernhard In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:53:01 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi again Mike > > At 09:51 12.11.96 GMT, you wrote: > >What was the play date for Cajun Jinx on OUt & Intake? > > This is a studio version, not a live version !! so if the Corridor of Flame live performance of this track is dated Nov 86 should the studio version should be listed before or after it? My guess the studio version should come first I suppose - even if the album itself was issued after the live performance..... yours codexly jill ObPeeve> Discovering that my bicycle had been turned into a unicycle while I was out enjoying an Astralasia gig last night. 8-(( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Nov 13 13:33:46 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 13:33:46 -0500 Subject: OFF! duct-tape Message-ID: Uhhh, duct tape is like the Force; it has a dark side and a shiny side and it holds the universe together.... Np: It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Held Together By Duct Tape. Craig Shipley craig at pyramid.com ---------- From: Andrew A. Apold[SMTP:mordru at MAGG.NET] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 1996 12:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF! - trying to drag scotch tape on-topic >On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >P.S. I can think of no way to drag this on-topic bar that I'm sure there >must have been some Scotch tape in the medical bag of Uncle Bob's Flying >Doctor... I think I heard you can use scotch tape to patch scratches on CDs... Since listmembers around the world have different kinds of scotch/sello tape, anyone interested in setting up a tape tree? You people send a small pine tree cutout card to me, I'll put some tape on it and send it to three others, who'll add tape to it, and so on until we have a nifty tape tree we can use for christmas... hmmmmm... no, I guess it is impossible to drag this on-topic.... unless we use duct tape, which can accomplish anything. For example, if Captain Lockheed had had duct tape aboard his ship, he wouldn't have had to eject and instead could have patched it together avoiding ejection. at the first signs of sonic attack, use duct tape, not scotch tape over your ears. do not distrubute this tape to others, think only of yourself... The silver machine was silver because it was held together with duct tape. Heavy duct tape: comes in black and silver . . what do you think, sirs? +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Baron Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2518 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 13 06:14:08 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:14:08 +0000 Subject: OFF : Orbital In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , David Jones writes >I have Snivilisation as part of my collection of bands starting with the >letters Orb (Orb, Orbit, Orbital, William Orbit) but I hadn't heard any >newer stuff. > >David I like Snivilization but I think it's their worst release IMO I can't work out if it's the label or the title but "the Brown one" Internal 1993 is brilliant as is the 91 release which might be Peel Sessions or might be "Orbital CD" anyway, it's lime and orange and it's on FFRR. It *might* be called FFRR. They didn't make it easy and I just bought anything I didn't have. Essential is the latest - "In sides" also on Internal. Takes a *bit* of getting into, not quite as immedaiate as their earlier stuff, but it's a bit of a masterpiece. If only Hawkwind would sample the "sssssshhhhhHHHHHHH--- WWWATTTOW!?!! noise at the beginning of Moebius. One of the best "sound bytes" ever! Watch that ORB theme though, you'll end up buying Roy Orbison if you're not careful! -- Jon Browne From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Nov 13 15:15:08 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:15:08 -0600 Subject: OFF : Orbital In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , David Jones writes >I have Snivilisation as part of my collection of bands starting with the >letters Orb (Orb, Orbit, Orbital, William Orbit) but I hadn't heard any >newer stuff. What? No Roy ORBison? :) Damon "has perused the ORB* section enough to know" Capehart P.S.: There's an Orbit as well as W.Orbit? What's Orbit like? (I have William Orbit stuff.) From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Nov 13 16:39:43 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:39:43 -0600 Subject: HW: GONG tour '97 (or whenever) Message-ID: Heya... I e-mailed the guy who coordinates the GONG tours in the U.S. with the idea of putting HW and Gong on a joint-venture-tour of some sort. This was his reply: ---------- begin included message ---------- > Hi damon, > Yes, your idea has been considered before and has its merits problem is > that although touring together does lower cost it also lowers profits as > many fans are the same etc. However it still can work if there's enough > support in the land. We are still working on the concept. Any details > you have re the Hawks would be helpful. ---------- end included message ---------- So I told him what we here at BOC-L know so far (around May, slightly larger venues [~1000], Jim Lascko and to an extent Mr.Rats doing most of the coordinating, etc.). I also said the following: "I plan on asking the people on the Hawkwind newsgroup if they can provide the 'enough support in the land' to put the two bands together." I told him either you guys could directly send him your opinions concerning the matter, or we could simply discuss it here on BOC-L and then I could summarize our discussion and send it to Mr.Gongdude for his perusal and consideration. As you can see from the following, he has decided on the latter option. ---------- begin included message #2 ---------- > Send out the feelers and let me know your opinion first then we can > proceed from there if the interest is there. > Take Care. ---------- end included message #2 ---------- In other words, what would you guys think of Gong and HW touring together in the U.S.? :) :) Damon "I think it would be awesome!" Capehart From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Nov 13 17:16:57 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:16:57 -0500 Subject: HW: GONG tour '97 (or whenever) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 11/13/96 at 03:39 PM, Damon C Capehart said: >In other words, what would you guys think of Gong and HW touring together >in the U.S.? :) :) Yes! Seeing both of them at the same show, ahhhhh - brain orgasm. Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Wed Nov 13 17:54:58 1996 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Karl Hiller) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:54:58 -0500 Subject: Rhesus test monkeys in space In-Reply-To: <199611121138.MAA03074@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > I just read the other day this article on the russians using rhesus monkeys > for testing the physical effects of space travel on people. The poor little > guys got strapped onto a tin-can like device inside a rocket and shot up > into orbit for weeks (or months) and brought back down and tested on (muscle > deterioration etc.). The article didn't really mention if they were ALIVE > when they came back down, or how life support (say, taking a crap or getting > peckish up there while strapped down) functions for the monkeys.... I wonder > though if it's necessary - it's not like humans haven't spent enough time up > there.... and being strapped down in weightless space for weeks probably > deteriorate the monkeys more than normal - what happens when they come back > down? Do they train them back in shape for the next mission? I think not.... There's an episode of the Tick (a Fox Saturday morning cartoon) which addresses this... A monkey sent up into space gains intelligence accidentally and starts bitching out the mission control people. Haven't they sent *enough* monkeys (and people) into space? What could they possibly be hoping to learn by sending *another* monkey into space? The mission control guys just mumble, "Well, we, uh, wanted to see how monkeys would react in space." That's the best explanation they can come up with. Karl From cipriano at COURANT.INFI.NET Wed Nov 13 13:46:04 1996 From: cipriano at COURANT.INFI.NET (Cipriano) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:46:04 +0000 Subject: HW: GONG tour '97 (or whenever) Message-ID: Jerry Guizar wrote: > > In , on > 11/13/96 at 03:39 PM, > Damon C Capehart said: > > >In other words, what would you guys think of Gong and HW touring together > >in the U.S.? :) :) > > Yes! Seeing both of them at the same show, ahhhhh - brain orgasm. > > Jerry > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > jguizar at epix.net > ----------------------------------------------------------- Both bands are great count me in! Paul Cipriano From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Nov 13 18:11:08 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:11:08 -0600 Subject: HW: GONG tour '97 (or whenever) In-Reply-To: Damon C Capehart "HW: GONG tour '97 (or whenever)" (Nov 13, 3:39pm) Message-ID: > In other words, what would you guys think of Gong and HW touring together > in the U.S.? :) :) Just a word of warning about the opinion that follows: While I have heard good things about Gong, I haven't heard any of their music, so I can't say that I am a fan. In general, I don't really care that much about what other headline acts tour with Hawkwind, with the following caveats: * Hawkwind should not make any less money (or, God forbid, loose any more money). * The time Hawkwind spends on stage should not be decreased by one nanosecond. * Hawkwind's stage show (lights, etc) should not have to be restricted or diminished in any way. >>From a practical point of view, I guess the themes here are that (A) I get to see Hawkwind so rarely that I don't want to have the experience diminished in any way, and (B) I don't want the tour to be less profitable for Hawkwind which might prompt them to tour here even less often. If, on the other hand, Hawkwind could tour with a bigger stage show, gain more fans, and sell more records by touring with Gong (and still come out ahead), then I'll be the first in line in the "this is a good thing" queue. :-) Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 >>From the back of a birthday card for a one-year-old that contains one of those "I am 1" badges: "Not suitable for children under three years old" From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Nov 13 18:16:51 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:16:51 +1100 Subject: (Fwd) (Fwd) The Emergency Broadcast System Message-ID: Forwarded message: From: "Matt Curtis" Organization: R&D @ P&C Micros Pty. Ltd. 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Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Nov 13 20:48:33 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:48:33 +1100 Subject: OFF! duct-tape Message-ID: Masktape of Morning ??? This is *really* getting silly! Paul From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu Nov 14 13:06:02 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:06:02 EST Subject: HW: GONG tour '97 (or whenever) In-Reply-To: <9611131711.ZM19778@unknown.zmail.host>; from "Frank Weil" at Nov 14, 96 05:11:08 pm Message-ID: Well Tim Blake has played in both bands although why he's not in the current version of gong is a mystery? However seeing Gong and Hawkwind with Blake playing Keyboards instead of the sequencers running in the background is a wonderfull thought and would love to see it happen. regards Marty From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu Nov 14 13:08:35 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:08:35 EST Subject: OFF! duct-tape In-Reply-To: <199611132215.JAA10547@hyme.pcmicro.com.au>; from "Paul G Ward" at Nov 15, 96 12:48:33 pm Message-ID: > > Masktape of Morning ??? > > This is *really* getting silly! > > Paul > Duct of time yes its is silly marty From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Nov 14 00:52:08 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:52:08 -0500 Subject: HW: GONG tour '97 (or whenever) Message-ID: On 13-NOV-1996 16:45:10.9 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Heya... I e-mailed the guy who coordinates the GONG tours in the U.S. >with the idea of putting HW and Gong on a joint-venture-tour of some >sort. This was his reply: >---------- begin included message ---------- >In other words, what would you guys think of Gong and HW touring >together in the U.S.? :) :) >Damon "I think it would be awesome!" Capehart Well, I've never been an avid concert-goer (been to about 10-12 gigs in a span of about 8 years), but I've never seen Gong or HW and if this show came to SoCal, I'd be there easy. Well, I MIGHT show up in L.A. (a good 1 and 1/2 hour drive) for either seperately, but w/both, it'd be guaranteed, even though I'd have to go alone... (The only HW fans I know are through the computer. I've never actually seen another "live" HW fan. Or Gongfan, for that matter. What do they look like? Do they really where hoods and afghans? I don't...) Chuck `[1;33;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Thu Nov 14 02:40:50 1996 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:40:50 -0800 Subject: OFF Ozric list (erpnotes) Message-ID: If aneyone is interested there is a e-mail list for the Ozric Tentacles called Erpnotes, I can get the info? It has been pretty quiet not too many messages. One of the Hawks likes the Ozric maby Alan, I forgot which one. ,BB http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ ------------------------------- ------------------------------- spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Thu Nov 14 04:07:33 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:07:33 +0100 Subject: OFF! duct-tape Message-ID: Lives of great men all remind us We can fix it with duct-tape And departing leave behind us Broken stuff that we repaired Aaah ahhh ahhh AAAhh! etc. So your thoughts they were expecting Assault and battery on our porcelain dolls etc. etc..... ObNextSong: Void of Golden Duct-Tape Christian -------------------------------------------------------------- "I am not as much a vegetable as everything is vegetable soup" Christian Mumford From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Thu Nov 14 05:40:06 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:40:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: Gunther Deitz / Duct-tape & Hawkwind connection Message-ID: >Not many people know it, but Gunther actually appeared briefly on the legendary >lost Hawkwind album "Caution", long before he got his own band together in >Germany. He played keyboards on 'Emoticon', and sang some of the secondary >vocals on 'The High Crusade'. And if you listen very, very carefully at the >end of "The Eleventh Second of Forever" you can hear him in the background >arguing with Danny > and Dave that culminates with him being sacked from the recording sessions. >It's very faint and I don't think it was put on there intentionally. Wasn't said argument that led to Gunther being sacked, because of Gunther breaking Danny's drumsticks or something, and Dave and Danny having to fix them with duct-tape? I believe the last line of 'The Eleventh Second Of Forever' was something like "On the eleventh second of forever, we repaired the broken shades laying on the tarmac with duct-tape", but it was really a subtle jab at Gunther. Christian From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Thu Nov 14 06:02:09 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:02:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Calvert & Mothergong Message-ID: I just found a used copy of Mothergong - 'The Owl And The Tree'. Bob Calvert plays sax and guitar (I think) on this - he's credited on every song save 2 or 3 and most of the album was apparantly improvised around a musical concept of his. It's pretty good, somewhat mellow and very Gong in sound but not as wacky I suppose. I don't think Calvert wrote any lyrics though, they are all sung by Gilli Smyth or Daevid Allen. Christian From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Nov 14 06:23:00 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:23:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Calvert & Mothergong In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's mail of Thu, 14 Nov 96 12:02 +0100 Message-ID: On 14 Nov 11:02, Christian Mumford wrote: > I just found a used copy of Mothergong - 'The Owl And The Tree'. > Bob Calvert plays sax and guitar (I think) on this That's a different Robert Calvert. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 14 06:29:55 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:29:55 GMT Subject: HW: Calvert & Mothergong Message-ID: On tor 14 nov 1996 12.02 "Christian Mumford" wrote: > I just found a used copy of Mothergong - 'The Owl And The Tree'. > Bob Calvert plays sax and guitar (I think) on this - he's credited on > every song > save 2 or 3 and most of the album was apparantly improvised around a > musical concept of his. Believe it or not, this is an entirely *different* Robert Calvert! Not the Hawkwind poet/vocalist. Cheers, Carl From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Nov 14 06:50:35 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:50:35 +1100 Subject: OFF: The Birdmen are back Message-ID: >From "Beat" Magazine Issue 527: "After reforming for the Big Day Out last year, Radio Birdman have announced another limited Australian tour in January. Victorian dates are The Falls, New Years Eve and the Prince of Wales on Thursday January 2. The tour will coincide with the release of a live album on the bands newly created label Crying Sun Records, designed to handle all current and future recorded work" Deniz Tek is here at the moment ... plays in Melbourne tomorrow night and I can't go :( Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Nov 14 07:04:21 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:04:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Sad Lovers & Giants Message-ID: >> hi, mr cdteleshop! >> >> I've found the following item in your massive list: >> Can you provide more info, ie label, tracklist etc. >> >> regards, \\joe >> >> >> Artist HAWKWIND >> Title SAD LOVERS & GIANTS >> Price (NLG) 32.00 >> Release date 04/15/96 >> Format CD >> Genre P >> Label - >> Remarks - >> CD Cover - >> >> Nr. - >> Artist - >> Tracktitle - > > >Dear Johan, > >The label/distributor is Rough Trade, that's all I have. > >Kind regards, > >Edwin de Koff >Sales manager CD Teleshop > >edwin at bigbro.cyber.nl >http://www.cdteleshop.com > >Fax: (+31) 30 6571540 still no bell's ringing in my head - guess we'll just have to order and see... \\joe From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Thu Nov 14 07:25:26 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:25:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Calvert & Mothergong Message-ID: >On tor 14 nov 1996 12.02 "Christian Mumford" > wrote: > >> I just found a used copy of Mothergong - 'The Owl And The Tree'. >> Bob Calvert plays sax and guitar (I think) on this - he's credited on >> every song >> save 2 or 3 and most of the album was apparantly improvised around a >> musical concept of his. > > Believe it or not, this is an entirely *different* Robert Calvert! Not >the Hawkwind poet/vocalist. > >Cheers, >Carl > > "I am a clone I am not alone, every fibre of my flesh and bone is identical to the other, everything I say is in my test-tube brother's voice, there is no choice between us....." Really??? There's other Robert Calverts...? Weird! Please remove the reference from the discography (somebody!), because this album is mentioned there... I _did_ think it was strange that Calvert played instruments.... Does anybody know anything about this mysterious 'other' Bob Calvert??? (don't say he was the new guitarist in Gunther's band!). What's also strange is that this album was recorded right around the time 'our' Calvert passed away.... Clones? An alternate reality Calvert? I'll have to tape this and check for backward masking... 'Bob is alive... Bob is alive...'..... etc. puzzled, Christian From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Thu Nov 14 07:41:41 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:41:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Calvert & Amon Duul - which Calvert??? Message-ID: So which Calvert guests on Amon Duul UK's 'Die Losung'...? Christian From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Nov 14 07:55:54 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:55:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Calvert & Amon Duul - which Calvert??? Message-ID: At 13:41 1996-11-14 +0100, you wrote: >So which Calvert guests on Amon Duul UK's 'Die Losung'...? > >Christian our incarnation - \\joe From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Nov 14 07:54:06 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:54:06 UT Subject: Calvert & Amon Duul - which Calvert??? Message-ID: That's "our" Bob Calvert. There's lots about _Die Loesung_ on Knut's Calvert page. Bob did occasionally play instruments, BTW - his Wasp portable synth, some guitar on tracks like "Cold War Kid", and wobble board and Jew's harp on "Flying Doctor", for instance. - Andy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 14 08:01:43 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:01:43 GMT Subject: HW: Calvert & Amon Duul - which Calvert??? Message-ID: > --On tor 14 nov 1996 13.41 "Christian Mumford" wrote: > So which Calvert guests on Amon Duul UK's 'Die Losung'...? *That* is, in fact, the Hawkwind Bob Calvert. Fun, isn't this? :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Hawkwind, _Area S4_ From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 14 08:00:12 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:00:12 GMT Subject: HW: Calvert & Mothergong In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's message of Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:02:09 +0100 Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: > I just found a used copy of Mothergong - 'The Owl And The Tree'. > Bob Calvert plays sax and guitar (I think) on this - he's credited on every > song oops - sorry! didn't realise this was in the discography. Robert Calvert is alive and well and I last saw him playing the saxaphone two years ago in Glastonbury in a tent while Gilli Smyth was doing her recital bit. However it is NOT the same Bob Calvert as the late much missed Bob Calvert of Hawkwind and I think this guy tends to call himself Robert Calvert now, perhaps because of the confusion. There is another Robert Calvert around as well who used to play with a band called Caterpiller (I think) and I'm sure the name has come up in other band contexts. It might be something worth noting next time the discography is updated. obCodex related> does anyone know the exact (well - to the month anyway) release dates of Alien 4 and Area S4? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 14 08:01:23 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:01:23 GMT Subject: HW: Calvert & Amon Duul - which Calvert??? In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's message of Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:41:41 +0100 Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: > So which Calvert guests on Amon Duul UK's 'Die Losung'...? That one IS Hawkwind's Bob Calvert. Brian Tawn's discography is reliable - if you can track it down. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Nov 14 08:14:27 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:14:27 UT Subject: HW: Calvert & Mothergong Message-ID: >obCodex related> does anyone know the exact (well - to the month anyway) >release dates of Alien 4 and Area S4? I know A4 was a couple of weeks late :) Can probably find it from the boc-l archives, if all else fails! - Andy ObCassette: Chris Karrer - _Chris Karrer_ & Lothar Meid - _Mensch, dieser Klaus!_ From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Nov 14 08:27:29 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:27:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Calvert & Mothergong Message-ID: At 13:14 1996-11-14 UT, you wrote: >>obCodex related> does anyone know the exact (well - to the month anyway) >>release dates of Alien 4 and Area S4? > >I know A4 was a couple of weeks late :) Can probably find it from the boc-l >archives, if all else fails! an excerpt from another discography: 1995/10 12? Area S4 (EBS EBT107 - UK) Ltd edition. 1995/10 CDS Area S4 (EBS EBCD107 - UK DigiPak. Pic Disc. 1996/5 12? Area S4 (EBS EBT107 - UK) Credits on back cover corrected. 1995/10 2LP Alien 4 (EBS EBSLP 118 - UK) 1995/10 CD Alien 4 (EBS EBSSCD 118 - UK) DigiPak 1996/3 CD Alien 4 (EBS EBSCD 118 - UK) Jewel Case the 12" was released before the album, and Griffin didn't release Alien - just distributed it. cheers - \\joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Nov 14 09:05:45 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:05:45 +0100 Subject: Calvert & Amon Duul - which Calvert??? Message-ID: At 12:54 1996-11-14 UT, you wrote: >That's "our" Bob Calvert. There's lots about _Die Loesung_ on Knut's Calvert >page. > >Bob did occasionally play instruments, BTW - his Wasp portable synth, some >guitar on tracks like "Cold War Kid", and wobble board and Jew's harp on >"Flying Doctor", for instance. ...and guitar and (Norwegian Blue?) parrot on the Marc Bolan Show '77 - though he was unplugged at the moment... >- Andy \\joe From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 14 09:05:18 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:05:18 EST Subject: OFF: The Birdmen are back Message-ID: >>From Paul: > > From "Beat" Magazine Issue 527: > > "After reforming for the Big Day Out last year, Radio Birdman have > announced another limited Australian tour in January. Victorian dates > are The Falls, New Years Eve and the Prince of Wales on Thursday > January 2. The tour will coincide with the release of a live album on > the bands newly created label Crying Sun Records, designed to handle > all current and future recorded work" > Holy shit! This is great news. Do you get the idea that Crying Sun will be carrying all the group's back catalog as well? Could anyone speculate on whether this would be available in the US? > Deniz Tek is here at the moment ... plays in Melbourne tomorrow night > and I can't go :( > > Paul > -- What a bummer! What kind of gig does he do? Solo or band, and if band, who's he working with? theo From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Nov 14 08:50:10 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:50:10 +0000 Subject: OFF : Orbital In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:14:08 GMT." Message-ID: Object Request Brokers on boc-l. Wonders never cease, but anyway - > I like Snivilization but I think it's their worst release IMO > > I can't work out if it's the label or the title but "the Brown one" > Internal 1993 is brilliant as is the 91 release which might be Peel > Sessions or might be "Orbital CD" anyway, it's lime and orange and it's > on FFRR. It *might* be called FFRR. They didn't make it easy and I just > bought anything I didn't have. Essential is the latest - "In sides" > also on Internal. Takes a *bit* of getting into, not quite as immedaiate > as their earlier stuff, but it's a bit of a masterpiece. The only one I have is the one with Halcyon+on+on, and the piece that loops "even a stopped watch tells the right time twice a day". Pretty good. So _In Sides_ is the one to get yeah ? > If only Hawkwind would sample the "sssssshhhhhHHHHHHH--- WWWATTTOW!?!! > noise at the beginning of Moebius. One of the best "sound bytes" ever! Nah, that's got to be the white noise envelope beat intro for FSOL's "Just a Fuckin' Idiot" on ISDN. > Watch that ORB theme though, you'll end up buying Roy Orbison if you're > not careful! I'm sure Andy G has some Roy Orbison tucked away next to Dwight Yoakam & Johnny Cash :^) Like somebody else asked here, where should one start with William Orbit ? There's something like four Strange Cargo releases to choose from. Tim From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Nov 14 09:42:31 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:42:31 UT Subject: OFF : Orbital Message-ID: Tim proffered the following: > I'm sure Andy G has some Roy Orbison tucked away next to Dwight > Yoakam & Johnny Cash :^) Funnily enough, no - and it's a big gap in anyone's record collection! :) But the new Cash, _Unchained_ (again produced by Rick Rubin), is supposed to be pretty good, so I might check it out. A propos of not much at all, I'm tempted by the Tony Ferrino (Steve Coogan) single, just because I want to hear a song called "Bigamy at Christmas". - Andy From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Nov 14 09:22:03 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:22:03 +0000 Subject: [Internet Virus Warning (fwd)] Message-ID: From: Dan Hitchin ===================================================== WARNING! ===================================================== For your Information: There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If you receive an email message with the subject line "Irina", DO NOT read the message, DELETE it immediately. Some miscreant is sending email and files under the title "Irina". If you receive this file, do not download it. It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it. Please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about. Hope this is of use. Dan Hitchen Basilica Computing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The above appears to be a genuine warning which I am forwarding for information. - Mike Godwin From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 14 10:17:18 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:17:18 +0800 Subject: HW: Calvert & Mothergong Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > Christian Mumford writes: > > > I just found a used copy of Mothergong - 'The Owl And The Tree'. > > Bob Calvert plays sax and guitar (I think) on this - he's credited on every > > song > > oops - sorry! didn't realise this was in the discography. Robert > Calvert is alive and well and I last saw him playing the saxaphone two > years ago in Glastonbury in a tent while Gilli Smyth was doing her recital > bit. However it is NOT the same Bob Calvert as the late much missed > Bob Calvert of Hawkwind and I think this guy tends to call himself > Robert Calvert now, perhaps because of the confusion. > > There is another Robert Calvert around as well who used to play with a > band called Caterpiller (I think) and I'm sure the name has come up in > other band contexts. It might be something worth noting next time the > discography is updated. > > obCodex related> does anyone know the exact (well - to the month anyway) > release dates of Alien 4 and Area S4? > > jill I could be wrong, but I think this other Robert Calvert (Mother Gong) is Australian. Also, did you know there is another Dave Brock, who plays guitar for some unknown US HM band. I read in a magazine years ago that he had been approached to play Jim Morrison in a rival "Doors" movie at the time. Also, what Iggy Pop LP does our Dave Brock play on (if it is ours), and is it any good??? William From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Nov 14 10:19:35 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:19:35 +0100 Subject: FAO Bernhard Message-ID: At 18:31 13.11.96 GMT, you wrote: >so if the Corridor of Flame live performance of this track is dated >Nov 86 It was recorded in London, 27.11.1986 >should the studio version should be listed before or after it? A difficult question It is the same situation as with LOST CHRONICALS Played for the first time live in November 1986 and released as a studio version early 1988 on XENON CODEX CAJUN JINX was played for the first time live in November 1986 and realeased as a studio version on OUT AND INTAKE early 1987 I suppose even Dave himself doesn't know when the ready mixed songs were for the first time fixed on the master tapes But what about Star_Rats? Do you know the original recording dates?? HAWKWIND did a lot of songs first live and than in studio cheers Bernhard From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 14 10:37:27 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:37:27 +0800 Subject: HW: Live questions Message-ID: Can someone tell me if the live performances on the "Black Sword" & "Love in Space" videos are the same ones as on the CD"s??? William From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Thu Nov 14 10:46:45 1996 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:46:45 GMT Subject: [Internet Virus Warning (fwd)] Message-ID: No, it's a well-known hoax, perpetrated as a publicity stunt by Penguin Books. No such virus exists. Alun At 14:22 14/11/96 +0000, you wrote: >From: Dan Hitchin >===================================================== >WARNING! >===================================================== >For your Information: >There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. >If you receive an email message with the subject line "Irina", DO NOT read >the message, DELETE it immediately. >Some miscreant is sending email and files under the title "Irina". If you >receive this file, do not download it. It has a virus that rewrites your >hard drive, obliterating anything on it. Please be careful and forward this >mail to anyone you care about. >Hope this is of use. >Dan Hitchen >Basilica Computing >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >The above appears to be a genuine warning which I am forwarding for >information. > >- Mike Godwin > From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Nov 14 10:55:27 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:55:27 -0500 Subject: OFF : Orbital In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Andrew Gilham wrote: > Tim proffered the following: > > > I'm sure Andy G has some Roy Orbison tucked away next to Dwight > > Yoakam & Johnny Cash :^) > > Funnily enough, no - and it's a big gap in anyone's record collection! :) But > the new Cash, _Unchained_ (again produced by Rick Rubin), is supposed to be > pretty good, so I might check it out. A news item in a local music paper also intimated that Johnny Cash's new album apparently includes a cover of Soundgarden's "Rusty Cage." The mind boggles!! Cheers, Paul. obCD: Julian Cope, _Peggy Suicide_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Nov 14 10:56:38 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:56:38 -0500 Subject: Dave Brock and Iggy Pop Message-ID: My web search turned up the following: >From http://www.banjo.com/BG/Profiles/AliveNPickin.html David Brock, a resident of Claremont, has been playing fiddle since 1972. His swing-style fiddling has added a new dimension to the band's sound. Also an accomplished banjo player, David co-authored an instruction book, Up The Neck Backup For Bluegrass Banjo which has received worldwide reception. David has performed with the New Christy Minstrels, The Hot Pecans, and has been a featured performer with the Vancouver Symphony Orchestra. David has also been an arranger for rock artist Iggy Pop (Arista Records) and has recorded with Neil Young. David teaches music theory and is in the process of completing his doctoral degree in musicology. He is the newest member of the band and finds performing very rewarding, "It's a good way to practice what you preach." Martyn How very weird, I think I'll have to go and lie down.... From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Nov 14 11:05:52 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:05:52 -0500 Subject: More on the other Dave Brock Message-ID: Artist Profile T. J. Lyons, Guitar, Vocals Steve Cahill, Mandolin Bill Purcell, Banjo Dave Brown, Bass Dave Brock, Fiddle A welcome addition to the Southern California bluegrass music scene is the Inland Empire's band Alive & Pickin'. The band is made up of five accomplished musicians who blend traditional stylings with a contemporary feel. Steve Cahill, T.J. Lyons, and Bill Purcell originated the band in 1990. The other members of the band, Dave Brown and David Brock, joined the band in 1994 and 1995 respectively, and each has contributed greatly to the band's progress and musical style. Since 1990, Alive & Pickin'has shared the stage with The Eddie Adcock Band, Ralph Stanley and his Clinch Mountain Boys, the band California, and they have played to a crowd of over 3,000 in Claremont. The band performs at numerous festivals contests and concerts. Their premier performance was at the Glen Helen Nudist Colony which did much to perk up their "Pickin' and Grinnin". Alive & Pickin' is a band which features strong vocals, especially T.J.s Lyons' lead, a bit of rockabilly influence from bassist Dave Brown, and hard-driving instrumental breaks from Steve Cahill, Bill Purcell and David Brock. The band's repertory reflects the diverse talents and backgrounds of the individual members and they are fast becoming a significant force in the Southern California bluegrass music scene. This band is very active with the Southwest Bluegrass Association and contributes to events which they attend. They are a fine bunch of musicians and are always fun to be around. From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Thu Nov 14 11:14:56 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:14:56 +0100 Subject: OFF : Orbital Message-ID: >On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Andrew Gilham wrote: > >> Tim proffered the following: >> >> > I'm sure Andy G has some Roy Orbison tucked away next to Dwight >> > Yoakam & Johnny Cash :^) >> >> Funnily enough, no - and it's a big gap in anyone's record collection! :) But >> the new Cash, _Unchained_ (again produced by Rick Rubin), is supposed to be >> pretty good, so I might check it out. > >A news item in a local music paper also intimated that Johnny Cash's new >album apparently includes a cover of Soundgarden's "Rusty Cage." > >The mind boggles!! > >Cheers, > >Paul. The album has gotten rave reviews in every Norwegian paper (wooo!!), and not only does Cash cover Soundgarden, he also does a Beck song (which isn't as strange since Beck has quite a bit of a roots influence) and several covers of other 'modern' bands. Is Cash cashing in on "Geneation X" (blah!)? If he is, he's doing it with style though.... On a totally different note, I saw a new album by Cathedral, where there is a song called 'Cyclops Revolution' - wow! A Monster Magnet song?? No!! I checked it, and it's something entirely different - I wonder if it was conscious or not, it's not every day somebody sits down and thinks 'Yeah... Cyclops Revolution... nobody's used that! That's a good title!' Oh well, I thought it was odd. Has anybody heard the new Donovan yet? Christian From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Nov 14 11:16:07 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:16:07 +0100 Subject: OFF : Orbital Message-ID: Paul Mathers wrote: >> Funnily enough, no - and it's a big gap in anyone's record collection! :) But >> the new Cash, _Unchained_ (again produced by Rick Rubin), is supposed to be >> pretty good, so I might check it out. > >A news item in a local music paper also intimated that Johnny Cash's new >album apparently includes a cover of Soundgarden's "Rusty Cage." > Yes it does, I heard it yesterday on the radio... and it's a really cool version too!!! I think I'm going to buy this album just to get "Rusty Cage". -Daniel Wikdahl . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 14 11:32:01 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:32:01 GMT Subject: OFF : Orbital Message-ID: On tor 14 nov 1996 10.55 "Paul Mather" wrote: > On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Andrew Gilham wrote: > > Tim proffered the following: > > > > > I'm sure Andy G has some Roy Orbison tucked away next to Dwight > > > Yoakam & Johnny Cash :^) > > > > Funnily enough, no - and it's a big gap in anyone's record collection! :) But > > the new Cash, _Unchained_ (again produced by Rick Rubin), is supposed to be > > pretty good, so I might check it out. > > A news item in a local music paper also intimated that Johnny Cash's new > album apparently includes a cover of Soundgarden's "Rusty Cage." > The mind boggles!! Hey, Johnny Cash is the man :) He was one of my favorites when I was very very small indeed. And is still cool. I walk the line, Carl From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 14 12:56:13 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:56:13 +0000 Subject: [Internet Virus Warning (fwd)] In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19961114154955.3287bf70@cygnus.newi.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <1.5.4.16.19961114154955.3287bf70 at cygnus.newi.ac.uk>, Alun Hughes writes >No, it's a well-known hoax, perpetrated as a publicity >stunt by Penguin Books. No such virus exists. > >Alun > And they spelt "Eranu" wrong. :) -- Jon Browne OVAVU! From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 14 13:48:43 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:48:43 GMT Subject: Codex dating In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:19:35 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > >should the studio version should be listed before or after it? > > A difficult question > > HAWKWIND did a lot of songs first live and than in studio True - tho' currently it seems that a lot of studiowork is done before the songs are played live but the album itself comes out later. This is getting increasingly complex! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Thu Nov 14 14:12:56 1996 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:12:56 GMT Subject: HW: GONG tour '97 (or whenever) Message-ID: In message ID on 13/11/96, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion L wrote: BDL> In other words, what would you guys think of Gong and HW touring together BDL> in the U.S.? :) :) I have been expecting this for so long...it would be great!!!! Didier Malherbe could even play sax instead of Nik...! Olivier Via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Thu Nov 14 14:13:08 1996 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:13:08 GMT Subject: HW: GONG tour '97 (or whenever) Message-ID: In message ID <9611140206.AA00407 at mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> on 14/11/96, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion L wrote: BDL> Well Tim Blake has played in both bands although why he's not in BDL> the current version of gong is a mystery? He is currently resting in britanny - France - where he is preparing his new album... Olivier Via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From tori at PANIX.COM Thu Nov 14 16:12:02 1996 From: tori at PANIX.COM (Lurking Girl) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:12:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: [Internet Virus Warning (fwd)] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: M R Godwin wrote: > From: Dan Hitchin > For your Information: > There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. > If you receive an email message with the subject line "Irina", ^^^^^ YM "Good Times Virus" HTH. This is the urban legend that never ends... On a similar if more amusing note, on Feb. 28th of this year, we [I work at Panix] got a call from someone who asked if the system was going to be up the next day, since he'd heard that the Internet was going down for housecleaning. The demons of temptation reared their pointy heads, but we managed to beat 'em down, albeit with difficulty. Victoria C. Fike * tori at panix.com * http://www.panix.com/~tori LNH: Lurking Girl * SCA: Vika (Ostgardr) * WB: miri * work: vf at panix.com "Commit a little mortal sin, it's good for the soul." -J. Buffett Email spam will be returned with a gratis copy of vmunix From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 14 12:51:35 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:51:35 +0000 Subject: OFF : Johnny Cash and all that trash In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >Funnily enough, no - and it's a big gap in anyone's record collection! :) But >the new Cash, _Unchained_ (again produced by Rick Rubin), is supposed to be >pretty good, so I might check it out. It is! A friend dropped a tape in a week ago. At first I was dubious but I dug it first listen. It was the Beck cover that intrigued me but Rusty Cage is better than the original IM very skewed O! -- Jon Browne From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Nov 14 12:28:30 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:28:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: Moog Cookbook Message-ID: Since we are discussing weird combos (Johnny Cash doing Soundgarden), I just saw a weird one at the local Media Play. It is by a "band' called Moog Cookbook and it is all (instrumentals???) Moog'd versions of popular 90's alternative songs by Nirvana and others (forgot which other bands and titles). Thought some of you might be interested... NP: Bob Rivers & Twisted Radio: I Am Santa Claus (this is just what my warped mind needs to survive the season! Highly recommended!) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1574 bytes Desc: not available URL: From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Nov 14 13:15:56 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:15:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Calvert & Mothergong Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: ?? > (don't say he was the new guitarist in Gunther's band!). What's also strange > is that this album was recorded right around the time 'our' Calvert passed > away.... Clones? An alternate reality Calvert? I'll have to tape this and > check for backward masking... 'Bob is alive... Bob is alive...'..... etc. this reminds me of something somewhat weird. in moorcock's book (paperback ver,) the dragon in the sword, the author's credits at the back say that mm died of cancer in,i think, 1986. isnt that the year calvert died? d'ya think the publishers somehow got them confused? rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Nov 14 13:21:24 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:21:24 +0000 Subject: [Internet Virus Warning (fwd)] Message-ID: damn,this thing gets around.this is the third time this week i've gotten this message from a new source. i remember getting an almost identical warning for the good times virus,which turned out to be a hoax. i wouldnt open any mail with the mentioned subject anyway,but, then,i dont bother reading mail from strangers. rj p.s. thanks for the warning,just the same. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 14 17:50:32 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:50:32 EST Subject: OFF: Moog Cookbook Message-ID: >>From Craig: > Since we are discussing weird combos (Johnny Cash doing Soundgarden), I = > just saw a weird one at the local Media Play. It is by a "band' called = > Moog Cookbook and it is all (instrumentals???) Moog'd versions of = > popular 90's alternative songs by Nirvana and others (forgot which other = > bands and titles). Thought some of you might be interested... > > NP: Bob Rivers & Twisted Radio: I Am Santa Claus (this is just what my = > warped mind needs to survive the season! Highly recommended!) > > Craig Shipley > craigs at pyramid.com Some 25 years ago, didn't 'PDQ Bach' do the same thing with classical music? theo From uriah at HERMITAGE.RU Thu Nov 14 17:55:39 1996 From: uriah at HERMITAGE.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 01:55:39 +0300 Subject: HW: Calvert & Mothergong Message-ID: SKARSOL wrote: > this reminds me of something somewhat weird. in moorcock's book > (paperback ver,) the dragon in the sword, the author's credits > at the back say that mm died of cancer in,i think, 1986. isnt that the > year calvert died? d'ya think the publishers somehow got them confused? I think that Calvert died in 1988. As for "The Owl and the Tree", the fact it was recorded mostly in 1988 ("between Feb '88 and Feb '89" as it is put in the CD's booklet) also intrigued me very much before I knew it was ANOTHER Calvert. Yuri From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 14 14:42:34 1996 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:42:34 +0000 Subject: OFF : Orbital Message-ID: >P.S.: There's an Orbit as well as W.Orbit? What's Orbit like? (I have > William Orbit stuff.) well according to somebody else in this thread > The only one I have is the one with Halcyon+on+on, and the piece that loops > "even a stopped watch tells the right time twice a day". this is the tape that I thought was by a band called Orbit not Orbital - I cant have paid much attention when I wrote it down. - So there probably isnt and orbit, unless anyone wants to form it ? Whoops sorry. As far as William Orbit is concerned for me the killer track is "Water from a Vine Leaf" from Strange Cargo III the break after the spoken bit is magnificent. William Orbit but he might be a bit too laid back for some tastes on this list though. David From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Nov 14 18:31:20 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:31:20 +1100 Subject: OFF: The Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything Message-ID: *** 'Hitchiker' book beats astronomers to universal key Scientists searching for one of the fundamental keys to the universe found they had been beaten to the answer by the cult novel "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy." In the British novel and radio serial, an alien race programs a computer to provide the ultimate answer to understanding life and the universe. In the novel, seven and a half million years later the computer comes back with the result--42. British astronomers took three years to calculate the Hubble Constant that determines the age of the universe, which is also 42. For the full text story, see http://www.merc.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=476354-6c5 -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Nov 12 22:21:44 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:21:44 +1100 Subject: HW: Calvert & Mothergong Message-ID: SKARSOL wrote: > > Christian Mumford wrote: > ?? > > (don't say he was the new guitarist in Gunther's band!). What's also strange > > is that this album was recorded right around the time 'our' Calvert passed > > away.... Clones? An alternate reality Calvert? I'll have to tape this and > > check for backward masking... 'Bob is alive... Bob is alive...'..... etc. > > this reminds me of something somewhat weird. in moorcock's book > (paperback ver,) the dragon in the sword, the author's credits > at the back say that mm died of cancer in,i think, 1986. isnt that the > year calvert died? d'ya think the publishers somehow got them confused? > rj I doubt it. It's just the multiverse, don'cha know.... -Max Wilcox From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Nov 14 20:44:47 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:44:47 PST Subject: OFF: Moog Cookbook In-Reply-To: <28F92520B3F@hawk.syr.edu>; from "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" at Nov 14, 96 5:50 pm Message-ID: > > >From Craig: > > > > Since we are discussing weird combos (Johnny Cash doing Soundgarden), I = > > just saw a weird one at the local Media Play. It is by a "band' called = > > Moog Cookbook and it is all (instrumentals???) Moog'd versions of = > > popular 90's alternative songs by Nirvana and others (forgot which other = > > bands and titles). Thought some of you might be interested... > > > > NP: Bob Rivers & Twisted Radio: I Am Santa Claus (this is just what my = > > warped mind needs to survive the season! Highly recommended!) > > > > Craig Shipley > > craigs at pyramid.com > > Some 25 years ago, didn't 'PDQ Bach' do the same thing with classical > music? > theo > Theo, I think that you are thinking of Walter/Wendy Carlos and his/her Moog'd version of various classical pieces. Tomita did that route, too... PDQ Bach was more of a send-up of classical music, performed on more-or-less period instrumentation. ATTN: Synth geeks! Moog is back in business! I just hope that they stick to analog(ue) gear... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Nov 14 20:58:21 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:58:21 -0600 Subject: OFF! duct-tape In-Reply-To: <9611140208.AA00416@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Martyn Lawrence wrote: > Paul Ward wrote: > > Masktape of Morning ??? > > This is *really* getting silly! > Duct of time > yes its is silly Don't be a duck... quack, quack, quack, quack --- (And veering mightily into a vortex of bad lyric spoofs...) Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Nov 14 23:07:47 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:07:47 -0600 Subject: OFF: William Orbital In-Reply-To: <199611141350.NAA28078@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, bart wrote: > The only one I have is the one with Halcyon+on+on, and the piece that loops > "even a stopped watch tells the right time twice a day". Pretty good. So > _In Sides_ is the one to get yeah ? Orbital 1 and 2: A mix of "hard" and "soft" techno, with 2 being on the slightly harder side (Halcyon being the only soft, more "ambient" one, as I remember, besides the intro/outro things). Snivilization: More like Orbital 2 (mostly harder techno) In Sides: IMHO, their very best - much, much more in the ambient realms. There is not one bad song on this one. AND, if you hurry, you can get it with the 2nd "bonus CD". Beautiful, beautiful music. I love it. However, if you prefer their harder stuff, you may not like In Sides as much. > Like somebody else asked here, where should one start with William Orbit ? > There's something like four Strange Cargo releases to choose from. 3 or 4, IMO. Since you seem to be veering toward the ambient realm, I guess In Sides *would* be good. :) Damon From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Nov 14 23:10:31 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:10:31 -0600 Subject: FAO Bernhard In-Reply-To: <3.0b35.32.19961113213930.006947b0@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > It is the same situation as with LOST CHRONICALS > Played for the first time live in November 1986 and released as a studio > version early 1988 on XENON CODEX > > CAJUN JINX was played for the first time live in November 1986 and > realeased as a studio version on OUT AND INTAKE early 1987 > > I suppose even Dave himself doesn't know when the ready mixed songs were > for the first time fixed on the master tapes > > But what about Star_Rats? Do you know the original recording dates?? > > HAWKWIND did a lot of songs first live and than in studio Another kind-of-well-known example: Snake Dance (credited as "Eons" on Calif. BS). Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Thu Nov 14 22:49:27 1996 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:49:27 -0600 Subject: OFF: Moog Cookbook Message-ID: At 12:28 PM 11/14/96 -0500, you wrote: >Since we are discussing weird combos (Johnny Cash doing Soundgarden), I just >saw a weird one at the local Media Play. It is by a "band' called Moog >Cookbook and it is all (instrumentals???) Moog'd versions of popular 90's >alternative songs by Nirvana and others (forgot which other bands and titles). >Thought some of you might be interested... > >NP: Bob Rivers & Twisted Radio: I Am Santa Claus (this is just what my warped >mind needs to survive the season! Highly recommended!) > >Craig Shipley >craigs at pyramid.com > In case eney one is interested here is A track list: The Moog CookBook 1. Black Hole Sun 2. Buddy Holly 3. Basket Case 4. Come Out And Play 5. Free Fallin 6. Are You Gonna Go My Way 7. Smells Like Teen Spirit 8. Evenflow 9. The One I Love 10. Rockin In The Free World ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy,USA,Planet Earth,The Milky Way Galaxy hawkwind at interaccess.com http://homepage.interaccess.com/~hawkwind/universe.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Nov 15 02:32:34 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 01:32:34 -0600 Subject: HW: Athens, 09.11.1996 Message-ID: >>> 1000 people saw the 90 minutes gig. >>> The lineup was: BROCK, DAVEY, RICHARDS, CHADWICK, TREE >>> >>Does this mean that Jerry Richards is Full-time ??? > >Don't know. Just ask Dale (Star-Rats). Maybe he can give you an answer Well, I spoke at length to Doug today and nothing came up regarding this. I just know that the gig went well and Jerry was there. Yours Star Rats From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Fri Nov 15 02:43:43 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 17:43:43 +1000 Subject: BOC: CN on CD Message-ID: I have it on good authority that there are some copies of *Club Ninja* on CD in a few local stores. I understand that this was deleted some time ago, so if anyone wants one, let me know and I'll see what I can do. Sorry, John, apparently it's the US mix. One copy seen was shrink wrapped so it couldn't be examined closely, but it appeared to have a booklet inside and seemed to be a US import. Another copy in another shop had a fold-out cover and a poorer quality reproduction of the front cover picture, and also had _Sony_ stamped on the spine. It was A$10.00 cheaper, too. Can anyone tell me where the second one comes from? Thanks, Pete. ObLP: *The Russians are Coming* - Bram Tchaichovsky ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "And sometimes I say things I shouldn't, Like..." - Warren Zevon From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Nov 15 02:49:50 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 02:49:50 -0500 Subject: MESSAGE FORWARDED FROM HERBERT119 Message-ID: #29 13-NOV-1996 21:02:20.19 NEWM AIL From: IN%"danman at cs.UCR.edu" "Daniel McAdam" To: IN%"herbert119 at delphi.com" CC: Subj: Forwarded mail... Return-path: Received: from cs.ucr.edu ("port 33704"@cs.ucr.edu) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.0-7 #10880) id <01IBT7KV7Q8091DVAG at delphi.com> for herbert119 at delphi.com; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from danman at localhost) by cs.ucr.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA01562 for herbert119 at delphi.com; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:02:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:02:12 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel McAdam Subject: Forwarded mail... To: herbert119 at delphi.com Message-id: <199611140202.SAA01562 at cs.ucr.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Forwarded message: >From danman Wed Nov 13 18:01 PST 1996 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:01:56 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel McAdam Message-Id: <199611140201.SAA01520 at cs.ucr.edu> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 972 I have the following metal CDs for sale. The price listed next to each CD includes shipping: Bill Ward - Ward One $10 (Out of Print and very hard to find) Last Crack - Burning Time $10 (Also out of print) Paradox - Heresy $8 Annihilator - Never, Neverland $8 Warrior - Fighting For the Earth $8 Blue Oyster Cult - Imaginos $8 (Out of print) Budgie - An Ecstasy of Fumbling $15 (Imported two CD anthology covering their entire career) Budgie - Deliver Us from Evil $8 (Only available as an import) Crimson Glory - Crimson Glory $8 (Import only debut from this great prog-metal band) Fear of God - Toxic Voodoo $6 Skyclad - The Silent Whales of Lunar Seas $6 Down - Nola $5 Seven Mary Three - American Standard $5 and last but not least The Kerrang Album 2cds, $15 (great compilation featuring tons of different metal bands, including many of the giants - more details on request). If you are interested, please e-mail me. Kent -- Watch the pattern ever changing in the tapestry of fate weft and weave now interlacing silken strands that fabricate a cloak to fit both king and beggar-- those who rule and those that toil are equal in the fact that all pay homage to this mortal coil. - M. Walkyier From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Nov 15 02:50:54 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 02:50:54 -0500 Subject: HW: GONG tour '97 (or whenever) Message-ID: On 14-NOV-1996 14:37:21.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >In message ID <9611140206.AA00407 at mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> on 14/11/96, >BOC/Hawkwind Discussion L wrote: >BDL> Well Tim Blake has played in both bands although why he's not in >BDL> the current version of gong is a mystery? >He is currently resting in britanny - France - where he is preparing >his new album... >Olivier >Via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ >- sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). There is still a video (going for around 12 dollars) of Tim Blake at one of my shops, called A Night Of Psychedelia, or subtitled that, and Pressurehed is also on the video... Still no one knows anything about this? Chuck `[1;32;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Nov 15 02:33:45 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 01:33:45 -0600 Subject: FAO Bernhard Message-ID: >> CAJUN JINX was played for the first time live in November 1986 and >> realeased as a studio version on OUT AND INTAKE early 1987 >> >> I suppose even Dave himself doesn't know when the ready mixed songs were >> for the first time fixed on the master tapes >> >> But what about Star_Rats? Do you know the original recording dates?? Sorry, I don't know the exact dates on that one. Star Rats From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Fri Nov 15 03:40:23 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:40:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Ron 'Bastard'?? Message-ID: I thought the name 'Bastard' was cool (kinda gave the band a punk edge or something - if only they'd done this in '76 and had Calvert take the name)....Of course, Lemmy wanted to call his band Bastard. I wonder why Tree 'reverted' to his real name, or the origin of his nickname/alias... anyone? Christian From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Fri Nov 15 04:12:29 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:12:29 GMT Subject: HW: Ron 'Bastard'?? Message-ID: Christian asks re Ron "I wonder why Tree 'reverted' to his real name, or the origin of his nickname/alias... anyone?" The 'Bastard' came from one of Ron's old bands, called simply 'Bastard'. They were (not surprisingly) a punk band circa late 70's, based in Leeds, England. Ron played bass. One day Ron thought he'd design a backdrop for the band. He laid out a sheet in the back yard, and placed bits of rubbish on top to spell out the name. He then spryed the sheet with aerosol paint. Unfortunatly, the paint went though the sheet, and stained the concrete underneath, leaving 6 fott high letters. The landlord didn't see the funny side. Apparently Ron used to own a scrapbook with press cuttings etc of British punk bands. Pages and pages of the stuff. Then, on one page there is a dried mushroom (you know the kind I mean), and the its all Hawkwind, and psychedelia :-) This info comes from a bloke I work with, who shared the same house as Ron. Neil. From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Nov 15 04:29:53 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:29:53 UT Subject: HW: Calvert & Mothergong Message-ID: >this reminds me of something somewhat weird. in moorcock's book >(paperback ver,) the dragon in the sword, the author's credits >at the back say that mm died of cancer in,i think, 1986. isnt that the >year calvert died? d'ya think the publishers somehow got them confused? No, this is a typical Moorcock joke. He wanted to end the Eternal Champion stuff once and for all in _Dragon..._ (and made surpisingly good job of it, I thought, except he just wouldn't let it lie), and this was part of that attmept at finality. Earlier, he'd published an obituary for "James Colvin" (a Moorcock pseudonym) in _New Worlds_. When I got MM to sign my copy of "Colvin's" collection of short stories, _The Deep Fix_, of course he signed it "James Colvin (deceased)". - Andy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 15 04:47:47 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:47:47 GMT Subject: OFF: Moog Cookbook Message-ID: On tor 14 nov 1996 12.28 "Craig Shipley" wrote: > NP: Bob Rivers & Twisted Radio: I Am Santa Claus (this is just what my > warped mind needs to survive the season! Highly recommended!) Ah, but have you heard "Xmas Pigs" by the Six & Violence? Highly recommended. :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 15 05:29:35 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:29:35 GMT Subject: OFF: JPT Scare Band (fwd) Message-ID: Just got this email, and feel as though some people here might appreciate this band. Heavy, blues-ish, garage psychedelia freak out power trio with extremely raunchy bass tone and _far_ too much wah pedal :) :) :) Kind of Hendrix in a garage with perhaps some early Zep. But much looser. Very lo-tech, live-in-studio/garage, sound. I highly recommend it. :) > --On tor 14 nov 1996 12.33 "Paul Grigsby" wrote: > Carl, I'm Paul, one of the Scare Band members. I wanted to let you > know that the second and third albums are ready to go to vinyl at > Monster Records in San Antonio. Lots of crazed improv garbagia. Also > wanted to let you know that there's a link you can add to the JPT item. > It's the Electric House Music publishing page and the Scare Band and > blithering bomar bands have some stuff out there. In the next couple of > days we will be putting some sound bytes out there. The link is: > > http://www.cris.com/~revbruno > > I can also be reached at revbruno at concentric.net and the guys at Monster > can be reached at monsterr at ix.netcom.com, (Dennis and Phil) > > Thanks, > Paul From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 06:13:35 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:13:35 +0000 Subject: HW: Composite Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <01IBTFLNVZJ696XTHV@delphi.com> Message-ID: So we've got... Dave Brock (fiddle) Robert Calvert (sax) Nicky Turner (Drums from Lords Of The New Church) we still need a guitarist. Maybe one of the Dino Ferrai's could help out if ICU or Here and Now aren't busy? There isn't another Ian Kilmister out there, is there? -- Jon Browne From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Fri Nov 15 06:59:07 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:59:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Composite Hawkwind Message-ID: >So we've got... > >Dave Brock (fiddle) >Robert Calvert (sax) >Nicky Turner (Drums from Lords Of The New Church) > >we still need a guitarist. Maybe one of the Dino Ferrai's could help out >if ICU or Here and Now aren't busy? > >There isn't another Ian Kilmister out there, is there? > > >-- >Jon Browne I'm sure there's plenty of Alan Davey's though. Once the line-up is complete, maybe they should become 'Clonewind'..... Christian From imaginos at NETIME.COM Fri Nov 15 07:02:45 1996 From: imaginos at NETIME.COM (Imaginos) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:02:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Moog Cookbook Message-ID: >From: Craig Shipley >Since we are discussing weird combos (Johnny Cash doing Soundgarden), I = >just saw a weird one at the local Media Play. It is by a "band' called = >Moog Cookbook and it is all (instrumentals???) Moog'd versions of = >popular 90's alternative songs by Nirvana and others (forgot which other = >bands and titles). Thought some of you might be interested... If you like old analog synthesizers a vocorders, this is a must-have. It also make nice background easy listening music for social occasions :-) Check them out at: http://www.restless.com/moog.html There are some really fun pictures and some good explanations for what they do! # Grant Porter is: imaginos at netime.com or gporter at furball.slime.org # # Ferrets and more seen at: http://furball.slime.org/ # # Opinions are: completely derived from listening to rock music. # # The symptom of the universe is written in your eyes. # From imaginos at NETIME.COM Fri Nov 15 07:08:55 1996 From: imaginos at NETIME.COM (Imaginos) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:08:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: Moog Cookbook Message-ID: sorry.. forgot to get this on in the last message >From: "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" >>>From Craig: >> Since we are discussing weird combos (Johnny Cash doing Soundgarden), I = >> just saw a weird one at the local Media Play. It is by a "band' called = >> Moog Cookbook and it is all (instrumentals???) Moog'd versions of = >> popular 90's alternative songs by Nirvana and others (forgot which other = ... >Some 25 years ago, didn't 'PDQ Bach' do the same thing with classical >music? >theo No. That would have been Walter Carlos (now Wendy) with "Switched On Bach Prof. Peter Schickele (PDQ Bach) has most of his fun with classical music, using orchestras... not systhesizers. I've seen him with the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra and it was one of the funniest things I've ever seen/heard. And they say rock music is repetitive? # Grant Porter is: imaginos at netime.com or gporter at furball.slime.org # # Ferrets and more seen at: http://furball.slime.org/ # # Opinions are: completely derived from listening to rock music. # # The symptom of the universe is written in your eyes. # From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Nov 15 07:15:40 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:15:40 UT Subject: Composite Hawkwind Message-ID: Well, there's that guy Simon King who does nature programmes on BBC1, and when I was in Oxford not long ago I parked near an office building called "Simon House"! - Andy ObCD: Eric Serra - _Nikita_ OST From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Fri Nov 15 07:26:55 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:26:55 +0100 Subject: Composite Hawkwind Message-ID: >Well, there's that guy Simon King who does nature programmes on BBC1, I can just see the forthcoming live set 'Mating Ritual Alive'....... Christian From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 15 07:31:00 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:31:00 GMT Subject: FAO Bernhard In-Reply-To: Damon C Capehart's message of Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:10:31 -0600 Message-ID: Damon C Capehart writes: > Another kind-of-well-known example: Snake Dance (credited as "Eons" on > Calif. BS). we thought this may have been a case of mistaken track naming since it was part of a segue sequence that included Snake Dance and would also normally have included a song from Bridget Wishart that never got as far as being given a formal title (known for a while as the "Star Song") but was perhaps Eons. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 15 08:23:31 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:23:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Moog Cookbook Message-ID: Craig sez: > > NP: Bob Rivers & Twisted Radio: I Am Santa Claus (this is just what my = > > warped mind needs to survive the season! Highly recommended!) > > I'll second that! Then Craig responding to Theo: > Some 25 years ago, didn't 'PDQ Bach' do the same thing with classical > music? > theo > Theo, I think that you are thinking of Walter/Wendy Carlos and his/her Moog'd version of various classical pieces. Tomita did that route, too... PDQ Bach was more of a send-up of classical music, performed on more-or-less period instrumentation. Uh, I don't think Tomita was doing humorous takes on classical music, like P.D.Q. Bach was. I used to have most of Tomita's albums - some of them were pretty cool. Of course, they probably sound a bit like electronic beeps and squeaks when you compare with the sounds synths can make these days. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 15 08:27:37 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:27:37 -0500 Subject: BOC: CN on CD Message-ID: >One copy seen was shrink wrapped so it couldn't be examined closely, but it appeared to have a booklet inside and seemed to be a US import. Another copy in another shop had a fold-out cover and a poorer quality reproduction of the front cover picture, and also had _Sony_ stamped on the spine. It was A$10.00 cheaper, too. Can anyone tell me where the second one comes from? Thanks, Check the catalog numbers if you can. My suspicion is the one with _Sony_ on it might be the other European release (Holland release that is) -- if it is, "Make Rock Not War" will be mislabelled as "Rock on Wars". Also, I have been told by Jean-Luc Carrier (who runs the French BOC fanclub) that the UK version of *Club Ninja* (no fadeout on "White Flags") does NOT exist on CD - only vinyl (and maybe cassette). So, I've basically stopped looking for what is probably a non-existent CD. John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 06:09:23 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:09:23 +0000 Subject: HW: Ron 'Bastard'?? In-Reply-To: <9611150912.AA03645@helena.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: In message <9611150912.AA03645 at helena.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com>, shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM writes >One day Ron thought he'd design a backdrop for the band. He laid out a sheet in >the back yard, and placed bits of rubbish on top to spell out the name. He then >spryed the sheet with aerosol paint. Unfortunatly, the paint went though the >sheet, and stained the concrete underneath, leaving 6 fott high letters. The >landlord didn't see the funny side. > Brilliant story, thanks Niel! -- Jon Browne From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 15 09:46:40 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:46:40 GMT Subject: HW: Biz Trip tracks Message-ID: Just wondering. Two tracks on The Business Trip album (Berlin Axis and The Day The Wall Came Down) are excellent tracks but both are instrumentals and, so far, I haven't found them anywhere except the Biz Trip album. It occurs to me that perhaps they have been slid into the middle of a segue sequence on another album somewhere and I just haven't identified them. So if someone with better listening ability than me ever hears something on another album or in another track that resembles these the Codex would be grateful to hear about it! Thanx jill "One wheel on my bicycle - but I'm still rollin' along...." ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 06:07:59 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:07:59 +0000 Subject: HW: Ron 'Bastard'?? In-Reply-To: <199611150840.JAA20632@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: In message <199611150840.JAA20632 at kirov.eunet.no>, Christian Mumford writes >if only they'd done this in '76 and had Calvert take the >name).... Bob Bastard? You sure, Chris? -- Jon Browne From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Fri Nov 15 10:49:14 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:49:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Ron 'Bastard'?? Message-ID: >In message <199611150840.JAA20632 at kirov.eunet.no>, Christian Mumford > writes >>if only they'd done this in '76 and had Calvert take the >>name).... > >Bob Bastard? You sure, Chris? >-- >Jon Browne How about Bastard Bob? That's got a better ring to it..... Really, I think a simple thing like that would have broadened their fan-base a little more - marketing, y'know. Kinda like how DC comics in the early 60's decided that comic covers with a lot of purple or had monkeys in them would sell more books... absurd, but you never know! Christian From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Nov 15 11:40:28 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:40:28 -0500 Subject: Composite Hawkwind Message-ID: >Well, there's that guy Simon King who does nature programmes on BBC1, and when >I was in Oxford not long ago I parked near an office building called "Simon >House"! Does he own a large vehicle, preferrably a van? +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Baron Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Fri Nov 15 11:44:54 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 17:44:54 +0100 Subject: OFF: Donovan...! Message-ID: Has anybody on this list heard Donovan's new album...? All I've read has been one or two very good reviews. I'm pretty curious, because the latest thing I have by the guy is Cosmic Wheels! Christian From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 15 11:53:14 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:53:14 EST Subject: OFF: Donovan...! Message-ID: > Has anybody on this list heard Donovan's new album...? All I've read has been > one or two very good reviews. I'm pretty curious, because the latest thing I > have by the guy is Cosmic Wheels! > > Christian Funny you should ask! Donovan was on Howard Stern this morning. HS gave him plenty of shit as imagined, but wound up plugging the disc. I tuned in too late to hear any of it, though... theo From AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU Fri Nov 15 12:47:14 1996 From: AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU (AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:47:14 -0600 Subject: BOC: CN on CD Message-ID: If possible, I would like to get a copy of Club Ninja. Let me know where to send the money and how much to send. Alton Broussard From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Fri Nov 15 13:02:10 1996 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:02:10 -0500 Subject: HW: GONG tour '97 (or whenever) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Damon C Capehart wrote: > Heya... I e-mailed the guy who coordinates the GONG tours in the U.S. with > the idea of putting HW and Gong on a joint-venture-tour of some sort. > This was his reply: > > ---------- begin included message ---------- > > Hi damon, > > Yes, your idea has been considered before and has its merits problem is > > that although touring together does lower cost it also lowers profits as > > many fans are the same etc. However it still can work if there's enough > > support in the land. We are still working on the concept. Any details > > you have re the Hawks would be helpful. > ---------- end included message ---------- > > So I told him what we here at BOC-L know so far (around May, slightly > larger venues [~1000], Jim Lascko and to an extent Mr.Rats doing most of > the coordinating, etc.). I also said the following: > > "I plan on asking the people on the Hawkwind newsgroup if they can provide > the 'enough support in the land' to put the two bands together." > > I told him either you guys could directly send him your opinions > concerning the matter, or we could simply discuss it here on BOC-L and > then I could summarize our discussion and send it to Mr.Gongdude for his > perusal and consideration. As you can see from the following, he has > decided on the latter option. > > ---------- begin included message #2 ---------- > > Send out the feelers and let me know your opinion first then we can > > proceed from there if the interest is there. > > Take Care. > ---------- end included message #2 ---------- > > In other words, what would you guys think of Gong and HW touring together > in the U.S.? :) :) > > Damon "I think it would be awesome!" Capehart > I know my crowd would follow them for several shows. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 07:43:24 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:43:24 +0000 Subject: Composite Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >Well, there's that guy Simon King who does nature programmes on BBC1, and when >I was in Oxford not long ago I parked near an office building called "Simon >House"! > >- Andy > >ObCD: Eric Serra - _Nikita_ OST I used to have a customer called Simon (or Si) Power. I found it hard to keep a straight face sometimes! -- Jon Browne From makila at CSC.FI Fri Nov 15 14:29:57 1996 From: makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:29:57 +0200 Subject: Rhesus test monkeys in space In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:54:58 EST." Message-ID: Karl's message dated: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:54:58 EST > > Haven't they sent *enough* > monkeys (and people) into space? What could they possibly be hoping to > learn by sending *another* monkey into space? BTW, I read somewhere that the Russian (and maybe others) people who have been in their space-station all too long already because of lack of money to get them back, have now filled all of the containers that were reserved for their excrements. It'll be sort of interesting to hear how they're going to settle that out. Kinda shitty situation, though. //niko From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Fri Nov 15 15:26:22 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:26:22 -0600 Subject: OFF: Moog Cookbook In-Reply-To: <199611151323.IAA02093@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Nov 15, 96 08:23:31 am Message-ID: > I think that you are thinking of Walter/Wendy Carlos and his/her Moog'd version > of various classical pieces. Tomita did that route, too... > > PDQ Bach was more of a send-up of classical music, performed on more-or-less > period instrumentation. > > Uh, I don't think Tomita was doing humorous takes on classical music, > like P.D.Q. Bach was. I used to have most of Tomita's albums - some > of them were pretty cool. Of course, they probably sound a bit like > electronic beeps and squeaks when you compare with the sounds synths > can make these days. > > John Absolutly! Tomita's Claire DeLune (sp) was one of the first 10 albums I owned. P.D.Q. Bach was a fantastic funny album. Here I thought I was one of the few lunatics on this list that listened to this kind of stuff. ;-} Just goes to show how diverse musical tastes can be for people who don't think "Green Day" is the best band in history ;-} -- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." - Albert Einstein Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6982 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 10:09:19 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:09:19 +0000 Subject: HW : More Jap lyrics In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19961112200837.05afdc3e@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: Yes, that's right! it's "Let's Go!" and here's that rousing chorus.. singalong karaoke style What's wrong with your mind I don't wanna be employed What's wrong with your mind I don't wanna tell of joy What's wrong with your mind I don't wanna be enjoyed What's wrong with your mind I don't wanna be destroyed Let's go, here I go Let's go, flying low Let's go, get off he said Let's go, said I want it Is your money good Flight, flight, flight, flight so now you know "Get off he said?!" -- Jon Blowne From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Nov 15 15:57:16 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:57:16 -0600 Subject: HW : More Jap lyrics In-Reply-To: <4o1HmnAfeIjyEwsp@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > Yes, that's right! > > it's "Let's Go!" > > and here's that rousing chorus.. > singalong karaoke style [[snip]] Where did you get this??? your own head, or is this real? Damon C Capehart | aka Le Monsieur Damon | dcapehar at utdallas.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have questions about the QUEST Bible studies and prayer meetings at U.T.D. or about QUEST in general, e-mail me at QUEST at utdallas.edu, or visit the QUEST website, maintained by scarson at utdallas.edu, at http://www.utdallas.edu/orgs/quest/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 06:25:10 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:25:10 +0000 Subject: HW : Japanese Lyrics In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19961112200837.05afdc3e@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: I think the lyric file needs updating. In my Japanese copy of Levitation/ Live '79 the lyrics to, for instance, Spirit Of The Age the lyrics clearly read... I have a carbon, I'm not alone Every fibre of my flesh and bone Is identical to the others Everything I say or do Is still the same so That's what kept your brother's voice. There is no choice between us And you rejoice in your uniqueness Feel a glow, I have no flow Do I get you, for even this time Though the boys were on my side I just been hit by another Twenty thousand solid working men Who say, Oh, for the wings of angels All that our country had Can you guess what line this is from? An easy one to start with! "Run and find a priest, I just took the potion" -- Jon Browne From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Nov 15 16:10:27 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:10:27 -0600 Subject: HW : More Jap lyrics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Damon C Capehart wrote: > On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > > and here's that rousing chorus.. > > singalong karaoke style > [[snip]] > Where did you get this??? your own head, or is this real? Oh, nevermind... I got "More Jap lyrics" before I got "Jap lyrics", which answers my question. Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Nov 15 16:29:54 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:29:54 -0500 Subject: HW : Japanese Lyrics Message-ID: Can you guess what line this is from? >An easy one to start with! > >"Run and find a priest, I just took the potion" Brainstorm? Martyn From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Nov 15 17:17:45 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:17:45 -0800 Subject: OFF: Donovan...! Message-ID: >> Has anybody on this list heard Donovan's new album...? All I've read has been >> one or two very good reviews. I'm pretty curious, because the latest thing I >> have by the guy is Cosmic Wheels! >> >> It's quite good. Rick Rubin produced it, I believe. Gave it the same fine treatment he gave Johnny Cash. Most importantly they've dispensed with the 2 tons o' cheese songs he was putting out. Wylie From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri Nov 15 17:24:35 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:24:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Biz Trip tracks Message-ID: At 14:46 15.11.96 GMT, you wrote: >Just wondering. Two tracks on The Business Trip album (Berlin Axis >and The Day The Wall Came Down) are excellent tracks but both are >instrumentals and, so far, I haven't found them anywhere except the Biz >Trip album. It occurs to me that perhaps they have been slid into the >middle of a segue sequence on another album somewhere and I just haven't >identified them. So if someone with better listening ability than me >ever hears something on another album or in another track that resembles >these the Codex would be grateful to hear about it! BERLIN AXIS is identical with Dave Brocks GATEWAY from his current CD Bernhard From jguizar at EPIX.NET Fri Nov 15 17:30:28 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 17:30:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Moog Cookbook In-Reply-To: <199611151323.IAA02093@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: In <199611151323.IAA02093 at mbunix.mitre.org>, on 11/15/96 at 08:23 AM, John A Swartz said: >Uh, I don't think Tomita was doing humorous takes on classical music, >like P.D.Q. Bach was. I used to have most of Tomita's albums - some of >them were pretty cool. Of course, they probably sound a bit like >electronic beeps and squeaks when you compare with the sounds synths can >make these days. Did you use 5 speakers when listening to Tomita? Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Fri Nov 15 19:17:54 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:17:54 -0500 Subject: BOC: CN on CD Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > > >One copy seen was shrink wrapped so it couldn't be examined closely, but it > appeared to have a booklet inside and seemed to be a US import. Another copy > in another shop had a fold-out cover and a poorer quality reproduction of > the front cover picture, and also had _Sony_ stamped on the spine. It was > A$10.00 cheaper, too. Can anyone tell me where the second one comes from? > Thanks, > > Check the catalog numbers if you can. My suspicion is the one with > _Sony_ on it might be the other European release (Holland release that > is) -- if it is, "Make Rock Not War" will be mislabelled as "Rock on > Wars". > > Also, I have been told by Jean-Luc Carrier (who runs the French BOC > fanclub) that the UK version of *Club Ninja* (no fadeout on "White > Flags") does NOT exist on CD - only vinyl (and maybe cassette). So, > I've basically stopped looking for what is probably a non-existent CD. > > John John - Correct me if I am mistaken... I thought another major difference between the UK CN and the American CN was that the American version contains the into by Howard Stern for When the War Comes. I believe I have a CD version that does not contain this intro - and that implies that the english version, at least in part, is on CD. The CD I am speaking of is the SONY version with 1992 and 1985 release dates. I also have a holland version - dated 1985 as well - and it contains the intro. Shawn Shawn From stayer at PI.NET Fri Nov 15 21:34:15 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:34:15 PST Subject: HW: Composite Hawkwind Message-ID: Jon Browne said: >So we've got... >Dave Brock (fiddle) >Robert Calvert (sax) >Nicky Turner (Drums from Lords Of The New Church) I know another Dave Brock: singer for Wild Child, a Doors cover band. Looks and sounds like Jim Morrison of course... Jerry From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Nov 15 20:53:36 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 20:53:36 -0500 Subject: [Internet Virus Warning (fwd)] Message-ID: In a message dated 96-11-14 17:40:59 EST, you write: >then,i dont bother reading mail from strangers is that people you don't know or just folk like me? regards, Bill Stewart From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Nov 15 08:15:58 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 00:15:58 +1100 Subject: HW: Calvert & Mothergong Message-ID: > No, this is a typical Moorcock joke. He wanted to end the Eternal Champion > stuff once and for all in _Dragon..._ (and made surpisingly good job of it, I > thought, except he just wouldn't let it lie), and this was part of that > attmept at finality. > > Earlier, he'd published an obituary for "James Colvin" (a Moorcock pseudonym) > in _New Worlds_. When I got MM to sign my copy of "Colvin's" collection of > short stories, _The Deep Fix_, of course he signed it "James Colvin > (deceased)". > > - Andy You luck lucky lucky lucky lucky lad. -Max Wilcox From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Nov 16 02:55:43 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 02:55:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Composite Hawkwind Message-ID: On 15-NOV-1996 20:22:38.2 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Jon Browne said: >>So we've got... >>Dave Brock (fiddle) >>Robert Calvert (sax) >>Nicky Turner (Drums from Lords Of The New Church) There's also a solo artist named Nick Turner. I keep finding his CD next to Prophets Of Time under the Nik T. section at Best Buy. Chuck `[1;31;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 15 13:56:24 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:56:24 +0000 Subject: OFF : DC Monkeys In-Reply-To: <199611151549.QAA10616@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: > >How about Bastard Bob? That's got a better ring to it..... Really, I think >a simple thing like that would have broadened their fan-base a little more - >marketing, y'know. Kinda like how DC comics in the early 60's decided that >comic covers with a lot of purple or had monkeys in them would sell more >books... absurd, but you never know! > > >Christian The thing DC had with monkeys in the 60's was *inspired* ! I could talk all day about Titano, The Super Ape or Gorilla Grodd but this ain't alt.monkeys so I'd better take it off. (or we could talk monkeys privately) :-) -- Jon Browne From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Nov 16 08:34:44 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 23:34:44 +1000 Subject: BOC: CN on CD In-Reply-To: <328D0832.443B@digital.net> Message-ID: hey guys, There is also some differences between the Brit-US CN on the mixes of Rock not War and Dancing in the ruins. But the million buck mquestion is whether the version of RNW on the White flags 12 inch is available any where else, either CD or vinyl. Troy On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Shawn Quinn wrote: > John A Swartz wrote: > > > > >One copy seen was shrink wrapped so it couldn't be examined closely, but it > > appeared to have a booklet inside and seemed to be a US import. Another copy > > in another shop had a fold-out cover and a poorer quality reproduction of > > the front cover picture, and also had _Sony_ stamped on the spine. It was > > A$10.00 cheaper, too. Can anyone tell me where the second one comes from? > > Thanks, > > > > Check the catalog numbers if you can. My suspicion is the one with > > _Sony_ on it might be the other European release (Holland release that > > is) -- if it is, "Make Rock Not War" will be mislabelled as "Rock on > > Wars". > > > > Also, I have been told by Jean-Luc Carrier (who runs the French BOC > > fanclub) that the UK version of *Club Ninja* (no fadeout on "White > > Flags") does NOT exist on CD - only vinyl (and maybe cassette). So, > > I've basically stopped looking for what is probably a non-existent CD. > > > > John > > > John - > > Correct me if I am mistaken... > > I thought another major difference between the UK CN and the American CN > was that the American version contains the into by Howard Stern for When > the War Comes. I believe I have a CD version that does not contain this > intro - and that implies that the english version, at least in part, is > on CD. The CD I am speaking of is the SONY version with 1992 and 1985 > release dates. I also have a holland version - dated 1985 as well - > and it contains the intro. > > Shawn > > Shawn > From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Nov 16 10:09:17 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 16:09:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Athens, 09.11.1996 Message-ID: Hi folks Here is the complete track listing from the 90 minutes ATHENS gig: assault & battery / golden void / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / needle gun / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / uncle sam?s on mars / iron dream / brainstorm / camera that could lie / brainstorm Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Nov 16 10:09:21 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 16:09:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Ghent, 23.07.1996 Message-ID: Hi folks Here is the track listing from the 110 minutes festival gig in Ghent: abducted / psi power / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / jam / elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Nov 16 11:59:49 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 16:59:49 GMT Subject: HW: Athens, 09.11.1996 Message-ID: On l?r 16 nov 1996 16.09 "Bernhard Pospiech" wrote: > assault & battery / golden void Excellent. About time those two were back in the set-list together. The whole set list sounds pretty good. Now they just need to add 7x7 and Lord of Light. And Upside Down, of course :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: _Doremi_ (remastered, of course) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 16 04:47:03 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:47:03 +0000 Subject: HW : More Jap lyrics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Damon C Capehart writes > >Where did you get this??? your own head, or is this real? > > Damon C Capehart | aka Le Monsieur Damon | dcapehar at utdallas.edu These are the lyrics, as printed, included Capital letters where they use them, in my Japanese release of Live '79 / Levitation (" albums on One CD). In a similar vein, when my brother's first album (Senseless Things) came out in Japan the lyrics were similarly meaningless. They like them so much they named one of the tracks on their second LP after them and included large chunks of these daft lyrics in the new song. Wish I could remember the title, I'll ask my bro if anyone's interested. -- Jon Browne From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Sat Nov 16 16:11:05 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Clore) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 13:11:05 -0800 Subject: BOC: The Saucer News Message-ID: A magazine by this title was published by James Moseley in the 50s and 60s. Then it changed title to a series like _Saucer Glues_, _Saucer Schmooze_, etc. The current incarnation goes by _Saucer Smear_. One of the more intertaining UFO pubs out there--and available free over the net: http://www.mcs.com/~kvg/smear.htm Dan Clore As for dying, our masters can do that for us. --Lord Weyrdgliffe. BTW, the latest _Terminal Fright_ has a story of mine, "Ole Skin-'n'-Bones". The illo by Allen K is awesome! From stayer at PI.NET Sat Nov 16 21:19:52 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 18:19:52 PST Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: I know, a long time no speak about BOCbase. I am re-styling the pages a bit. I hope I did some good to the layout of the page. The info on BOCreleases is now complete, as far as I have the info, and I have included the info several people have sent me on releases and gigs. I have also included the possibility to download all the BOCbase pages in one file (self-extracting ARJ), so you can unpack them later and read it off-line. I'll let you all know when it's finished. Meanwhile... can someone tell me who C. Bouchard and K. Bouchard are? They co-wrote some songs, both with Albert: You're Not The One, Monsters and Hungry Boys. And could someone give me the first names of J. Trivers, R. Meltzer, J. Riggs, full names of Legatt Bros? Thanks! Jerry From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sat Nov 16 18:28:32 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 00:28:32 +0100 Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: Jerry the flying dutchman wrote; >Meanwhile... can someone tell me who C. Bouchard and K. Bouchard are? They >co-wrote some songs, both with Albert: You're Not The One, Monsters and >Hungry Boys. And could someone give me the first names of J. Trivers, R. >Meltzer, J. Riggs, full names of Legatt Bros? Thanks! > >Jerry > >' Well, it's Richard Meltzer, and I think it's Jack Riggs and Jon Rivers ... sorry but I'm a little drunk tonight, but I'm doing the best I can... and I have question too... has anybody heard of the band "Spiritual Beggars"?... if not, I think you have to check 'em out. Heavy-Monster-Fu-Kyuss-Blue Cheer Rock! Daniel Wikdahl . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sat Nov 16 20:05:27 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:05:27 GMT Subject: OFF: The Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward's message of Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:31:20 +1100 Message-ID: Paul G Ward writes: > *** 'Hitchiker' book beats astronomers to universal key > > result--42. British astronomers took three years to calculate the > Hubble Constant that determines the age of the universe, which is > also 42. For the full text story, see ah ha - but the American Astrophysists say that 42 is wrong and that the answer is really 65. Which I think also could agree with the book since (as I recall) all the hairdressers (and Arthur and Ford) end up back at the dawn of civilisation and have therefore subverted the initial programming of the rise of humanity who were supposed to determine the answer - so the answer of 42 was wrong and it *should* be something else..... yes....? mmmm - must be the effects of this head cold I'm suffering from. Sneeze, sniff 8-( jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sat Nov 16 20:15:23 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:15:23 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: Rhesus test monkeys in space In-Reply-To: Niko Makila's message of Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:29:57 +0200 Message-ID: Niko Makila writes: > of money to get them back, have now filled all of the containers that > were reserved for their excrements. It'll be sort of interesting to > hear how they're going to settle that out. > Kinda shitty situation, though. You mean it's an incremental excremental problem...... So perhaps the astronomers should be programming the Hubble telescope look for organic evidence (ammonia compounds?) in orbit around sun systems as an indication of spacefaring life on other worlds! Waste not want not......? oh heck - I'm going to bed! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat Nov 16 20:17:23 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:17:23 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything In-Reply-To: <9611170105.aa09531@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, J Strobridge wrote: > ah ha - but the American Astrophysicists say that 42 is wrong and that the > answer is really 65. Which I think also could agree with the book > since (as I recall) all the hairdressers (and Arthur and Ford) end up > back at the dawn of civilisation and have therefore subverted the > initial programming of the rise of humanity who were supposed to > determine the answer - so the answer of 42 was wrong and it *should* be > something else..... yes....? Ooh - not quite. The planet Earth was meant to determine not the answer (which had been provided by the infallible Deep Thought, and was, unshakeably, 42), but the question, without which the answer made little sense. So I guess we're no closer even if 42 _is_ the Hubble constant, and the way I hear it it's 42 plus or minus 30 per cent... Oh, let's just stick with existentialism... Jon ObCassette: BOC, Cultosaurus Erectus ObMushroomCloud: the one used in the PT light-show to `Radioactive Toy' last night at the Boat Race :-)) ObDisappointment: "We're tired of doing Voyage 34, so we're gonna give you Up the Downstair", and I'd taken a friend called Brian along to see them... /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sat Nov 16 22:03:09 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 22:03:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Rhesus test monkeys in space In-Reply-To: <9611170115.aa13345@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In <9611170115.aa13345 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, on 11/17/96 at 01:15 AM, J Strobridge said: >Niko Makila writes: >> of money to get them back, have now filled all of the containers that >> were reserved for their excrements. It'll be sort of interesting to >> hear how they're going to settle that out. >> Kinda shitty situation, though. >You mean it's an incremental excremental problem...... >So perhaps the astronomers should be programming the Hubble telescope >look for organic evidence (ammonia compounds?) in orbit around sun >systems as an indication of spacefaring life on other worlds! What they really need is Piers Anthonys' "Macroscope" :) Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Nov 16 22:42:54 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 22:42:54 -0500 Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: On 16-NOV-1996 18:29:53.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Jerry the flying dutchman wrote; >>Meanwhile... can someone tell me who C. Bouchard and K. Bouchard are? >They >co-wrote some songs, both with Albert: You're Not The One, >Monsters and >Hungry Boys. And could someone give me the first names >of J. Trivers, R. >Meltzer, J. Riggs, full names of Legatt Bros? Thanks! >> >>Jerry >> >>' >Well, it's Richard Meltzer, and I think it's Jack Riggs and Jon >Rivers ... sorry but I'm a little drunk tonight, but I'm doing the >best I can... and I have question too... has anybody heard of the band >"Spiritual Beggars"?... if not, I think you have to check 'em out. >Heavy-Monster-Fu-Kyuss-Blue Cheer Rock! >Daniel Wikdahl >. >"Jag har en papegoja -se jag bestdmmer" (Rickard Fuchs) >Daniel Wikdahl >Kaptensgatan 2a >S-39 236 KALMAR >SWEDEN >0480-245 11 Yeah, funny, but I think that band was formed by the Swedish ex-guitarist of Carcass. Bit of a different style there... Chuck `[1;37;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun Nov 17 04:46:11 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 10:46:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Let's vote for the favorite HW track-listing Message-ID: Hi folks What about a new thread called : THE HAWKFANS FAVORITE TRACK-LIST Let us create a (phantasy) tack-list HAWKWIND should use during their gigs. Here is my offer: treadmill / golden void / lord of light / spirit of the age / white zone / space is deep / parasites are here on earth / secret agent / chronoglide skyway / sleep of a 1000 tears / love in space / damnation alley And what about you ????? Maybe STAR_RATS could pass some of the offers to Dave and maybe Dave will use a few tracks during the next tour. Who knows. Bernhard From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Sun Nov 17 06:23:55 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Starless and Bible Black) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 06:23:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: Pollsters of the Telescopes.... Message-ID: Speaking of poles (not in barbershops or the ones with lightbulb like things on the end or of the nationality) and spelling the word wrong, has there ever been a Blue Oyster Poll regarding what the fans think are the best B O'Cult Songs the mighty Blue/Stalk/Soft Oyster/Forest/White Cult/Underbelly/Group on vinyl or CD or tape to date? or should such a statistical feat be accomplished upon the final receipt of the mysterious and magical "Ezekial's Wheel" in our grubby little fan-hands? Shouting MC 5's latest release "Teen Age Lust: live in Michigan 1/1/70" is the coolest set in strange bootleg history, Jason (its strange due to the love/hate liner notes crafted by John Sinclair- but i think the disk is worth it for their cover of James Brown's "It's a Mans, Mans, Mans World" alone. so there) From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Nov 17 06:13:30 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:13:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Let's vote for the favorite HW track-listing Message-ID: >space is deep / parasites are here on earth / secret agent / chronoglide ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ have I missed something? what is this? >Bernhard \\joe From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Nov 17 06:54:52 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:54:52 GMT Subject: OFF: The Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything Message-ID: On s?n 17 nov 1996 01.17 "Jon Jarrett" wrote: > Ooh - not quite. The planet Earth was meant to determine not the > answer (which had been provided by the infallible Deep Thought, and was, > unshakeably, 42), but the question, without which the answer made little > sense. Which just goes to show that the arrival of the Golgafrinchans has cocked up our ability to determine the Hubble Constant, should we determine it to be something other than 42. Or that the asking what is the Hubble Constant is the wrong question. Either way, it demonstrates we should switch funding to give ourselves all vacations in those sections of the galaxy which the Guide claims are concerned primarily with sex, drugs, and rock'n'roll. :) Cheers, Carl ObVictory: managing to sneak _Doremi_ into the stereo at a party without anyone turning it off, and halfway through "Lord of Light" hearing someone mumble "Ummmm ... Hawkwind ... cool". There's some hope for students--not much, but some ;) From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Sun Nov 17 09:16:54 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:16:54 GMT Subject: HW: Let's vote for the favorite HW track-listing Message-ID: > > Let us create a (phantasy) tack-list HAWKWIND should use during their gigs. > >Here is my offer: > >treadmill / golden void / lord of light / spirit of the age / white zone / >space is deep / parasites are here on earth / secret agent / chronoglide >skyway / sleep of a 1000 tears / love in space / damnation alley > >And what about you ????? > Mine would be very similar to yours, but would have to have Levitation and Lives Of Great Men as an encore. bye - Rob From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun Nov 17 09:19:09 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:19:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Let's vote for the favorite HW track-listing Message-ID: At 12:13 17.11.96 +0100, you wrote: >>space is deep / parasites are here on earth / secret agent / chronoglide > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >have I missed something? >what is this? Just have a look on STRANGE TRIPS AND PIPE DREAMS Bernhard From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Nov 17 05:15:01 1996 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 10:15:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Ron Message-ID: After the story we had the other day about Ron's band Bastard the following is in todays Observer at the start of a book review of the gospels in Yorkshire dialect, review by Jay Rayner. A fine example of synch ronicity. "Ten years ago, when I lived in Leeds, there was a sometime Goth band that had mastered the art of free self promotion. Their name was painted thick and black on every garden wall about the student quarter and was, accordingly, on our lips most of the time. But then, as the band was called 'Bastard", that isn't a massive surprise; students have always been rather partial to expletives. And yet the name would not have had the impact just anywhere. Bastard is a brilliant Yorkshire word, all shrunken vowels and sharpened consonants. To work it needed to be spoken by a local. A band with the same name in, say, Winchester would have been a total failure. 'Baaarrrstaard' is something you shout a the retreating flanks of a horse ridden by the master of hounds; it could never be rock'n'roll." From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sun Nov 17 12:00:40 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:00:40 -0500 Subject: HW: To all listmembers Message-ID: To all listmembers I owe tapes to, or letters to. I have had a bit of a personal crisis and have not had the opportunity to complete any trades I have already set up. I have just recently gotten back online, and I will be here, but primarily in a lurker mode. I will uphold my end of any outstanding tape trades in the very near future. I apologize for taken up list space with this sort of personal letter, but it is much easier to write one letter that I know all will recieve. Take care, and see you at a HW show! (USA tour) Duane From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Nov 15 23:44:40 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 15:44:40 +1100 Subject: OFF: The Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > > On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, J Strobridge wrote: > > > ah ha - but the American Astrophysicists say that 42 is wrong and that the > > answer is really 65. Which I think also could agree with the book > > since (as I recall) all the hairdressers (and Arthur and Ford) end up > > back at the dawn of civilisation and have therefore subverted the > > initial programming of the rise of humanity who were supposed to > > determine the answer - so the answer of 42 was wrong and it *should* be > > something else..... yes....? > > Ooh - not quite. The planet Earth was meant to determine not the > answer (which had been provided by the infallible Deep Thought, and was, > unshakeably, 42), but the question, without which the answer made little > sense. > So I guess we're no closer even if 42 _is_ the Hubble constant, > and the way I hear it it's 42 plus or minus 30 per cent... Oh, let's just > stick with existentialism... > Jon Or deconstructionalism, post-structuralism, post-modernism or just plain semiotics. Errr....sorry, I don't know what I'm saying.... -Max Wilcox From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Nov 17 14:03:58 1996 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:03:58 -0500 Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: Isn't this all in the FAQ? >Meanwhile... can someone tell me who C. Bouchard and K. Bouchard are? They >co-wrote some songs, both with Albert: You're Not The One, Monsters and >Hungry Boys. And could someone give me the first names of J. Trivers, R. >Meltzer, J. Riggs, full names of Legatt Bros? Thanks! C & K Bouchard are the same person, my-ex-wife Caryn. On one of the albums they screwed up the credits (actually more than one but that's another story). Others are Jon Trivers, Richard Meltzer, Jack Rigg (not Riggs). Dunno Legatt. Al From stayer at PI.NET Sun Nov 17 01:41:48 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 22:41:48 PST Subject: HW: Ghent, 23.07.1996 Message-ID: >Here is the track listing from the 110 minutes festival gig in Ghent: If that is the town in Belgium, it should be Gent, without the 'h'. Jerry From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sun Nov 17 16:34:35 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:34:35 -0500 Subject: HW: Ghent, 23.07.1996 Message-ID: >>Here is the track listing from the 110 minutes festival gig in Ghent: > >If that is the town in Belgium, it should be Gent, without the 'h'. > >Jerry Nope, Ghent in Belgium has an h in it (pronounced gent). Gent is a contraction of gentleman (pronounced jent) as in the sentence "I fell over in ther gent's at the Hawkwind concert" Martyn From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Nov 17 17:08:24 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:08:24 UT Subject: HW: old T-shirts Message-ID: I was clearing out some out clothes, and came across some old HW tees that I haven't worn for positively ages - in fact, I can't believe I was ever so skinny... anyway, if anyone wants them, they can have them for postage (but they won't fit unless you really are a beanpole, a child, or maybe a girl). They are: Levitation '80 (white on black - well, grey really now, bit tatty but wearable) Sonic Attack '81 baseball jersey (hardly ever worn) Choose your Masques '82 sweatshirt (mask on left breast, back print. Good condition) Hawkwind Zoo (EP cover, black on white, bit tatty) First come first served! - Andy Andy_Gilham at msn.com From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Nov 17 17:02:36 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:02:36 UT Subject: HW: Ghent, 23.07.1996 Message-ID: No, what it is, is that inside Belgium, it's spelled "Gent", but in English, it's spelled "Ghent". It's what's called an exonym. Like, the French spell "Marseilles" without the final "s", or the Indians call their country "Bharat", the French and the English spell "Muenchen" as "Munich", etc etc. - Andy From stayer at PI.NET Mon Nov 18 02:41:03 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:41:03 PST Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: Hi there, Thanks for the replies to my questions about BOCbase. I have included all additions I received. additions to the gig list 1976-??-?? (Spring or Summer) - Dutchess Community College, Poughkeepsie, New York, USA 1977-02-?? - Mid Hudson Civic Center, Poughkeepsie, New York, USA 1978-01-11 - Mid Hudson Civic Center, Poughkeepsie, New York, USA 1978-05-14 - Hemmerleinhalle, Nuernberg, Germany 1978-05-16 - Musikhalle, Hamburg, Germany 1978-05-18 - Stadthalle, Offenbach, Germany 1979-11-12 - Tulls International Amphitheatre, Chicago, Illinois, USA (FM) 1980-06-19 - Hammerheads, West Islip, New York, USA (SWU show) 1981-11-19 - Veterans Memorial, New Haven, Connecticut, USA (FM) 1990-09-15 - The Network, Pasadena, MD 1993-12-12 - Philipshalle, Duesseldorf, Germany 1996-10-04 - Jaxx, Springfield, Virginia, USA 1996-10-05 - Cook Off, Stone Mountain, Georgia, USA gig list updated (setlist added) 1989-01-03 - New Haven Civic Center, New Haven, Connecticut, USA (FM) 1983-07-23 - Perkins Palace, Pasadena, California, USA (CD "Nail You Down") 1986-03-27 - KBFH, Los Angeles (CD "Into The Crypts Of Rays") additions to the release list Godzilla bootleg CD The Thing! bootleg 2CD Nail You Down bootleg CD Into The Crypts Of Rays bootleg CD Still Ficting bootleg LP On Flame With Rock And Roll, compilation CD I also included a link to BOCBASE.ARJ and BOCBASE.EXE. Both files contain all pages of BOCbase, compressed using ARJ. Jerry From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Nov 17 19:18:12 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:18:12 -0500 Subject: HW: old T-shirts Message-ID: On 17-NOV-1996 17:16:01.7 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >I was clearing out some out clothes, and came across some old HW tees >that I haven't worn for positively ages - in fact, I can't believe I >was ever so skinny... anyway, if anyone wants them, they can have >them for postage (but they won't fit unless you really are a beanpole, >a child, or maybe a girl). >They are: >Levitation '80 (white on black - well, grey really now, bit tatty but >wearable) >Sonic Attack '81 baseball jersey (hardly ever worn) >Choose your Masques '82 sweatshirt (mask on left breast, back print. >Good condition) >Hawkwind Zoo (EP cover, black on white, bit tatty) >First come first served! >- Andy >Andy_Gilham at msn.com I'll take all of 'em! If I can't squeeze into 'em, I'll just make my nephew wear 'em... :) Chuck `[1;36;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Nov 18 03:22:41 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:22:41 UT Subject: HW: old T-shirts Message-ID: OK, I think all these are gone now! No more enquiries thanks! - Andy PS you guys who replied, I'll get back to you this evening (real busy today). PS Keith - Live in Tokyo now out in UK and Japan; Chris Karrer's new one is out in Germany (haven't got it yet myself though), called _Sufisticated_. From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Mon Nov 18 03:31:33 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:31:33 +0100 Subject: OFF : DC Monkeys Message-ID: > >The thing DC had with monkeys in the 60's was *inspired* ! I could talk >all day about Titano, The Super Ape or Gorilla Grodd but this ain't >alt.monkeys so I'd better take it off. (or we could talk monkeys >privately) :-) >-- >Jon Browne No, it applies to Hawkwind - look at how Silver Machine was their only big hit, and it happened to have monkeys on the sleeve??? See? Yeah, I dig the old DC monkey comics - have you seen the issue of Secret Origins that's all monkeys?? And, one can credit the Brits for reviving them all into continuity too! Christian From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 18 04:26:57 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:26:57 +0000 Subject: OFF :Monkeys In-Reply-To: <199611180831.JAA18188@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: In message <199611180831.JAA18188 at kirov.eunet.no>, Christian Mumford writes > > >No, it applies to Hawkwind - look at how Silver Machine was their only big hit, >and it happened to have monkeys on the sleeve??? See? Yeah, I dig the old DC >monkey comics - have you seen the issue of Secret Origins that's all monkeys?? >And, one can credit the Brits for reviving them all into continuity too! > >Christian And have you noticed that *every* episode of The Simpsons has a monkey in it _somewhere_? :) -- Jon Browne From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Mon Nov 18 06:39:22 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:39:22 +0100 Subject: OFF :Monkeys Message-ID: > >And have you noticed that *every* episode of The Simpsons has a monkey >in it _somewhere_? :) >-- >Jon Browne I always thought they all kinda looked like monkeys, but I never noticed any other 'hidden' monkeys. There was of course the Halloween special some years ago with the King Kong segment, with the famous line aboard the boat, when the captain says to Marge; 'Women and seamen don't mix'. But, I really think monkeys were the sole reason Silver Machine became a hit, and if Ron Tree became Ron Bastard again, and Hawkwind started featuring monkeys on everything they put out, they'd become massive among monkey-loving punks. Other cool things that DC editors in the 60's swore by to sell books were motorcycles, purple, fire and crying characters (check that monkey issue of Secret Origins for the official details!). Hmmm... guess I'll have to re-do my cover sketches for Hawkwind comix..... Christian From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 18 08:03:27 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:03:27 GMT Subject: OFF: SDPS In-Reply-To: Jerry Guizar's message of Sat, 16 Nov 1996 22:03:09 -0500 Message-ID: Jerry Guizar writes: > >So perhaps the astronomers should be programming the Hubble telescope > >look for organic evidence (ammonia compounds?) in orbit around sun > >systems as an indication of spacefaring life on other worlds! > > What they really need is Piers Anthonys' "Macroscope" :) oh - yeah. The Super Duper Pooper Scooper! Excellent book (quite apart from the bad puns) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 18 08:35:13 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:35:13 -0500 Subject: BOC: CN on CD Message-ID: Shawn writes: Correct me if I am mistaken... I thought another major difference between the UK CN and the American CN was that the American version contains the into by Howard Stern for When the War Comes. I believe I have a CD version that does not contain this intro - and that implies that the english version, at least in part, is on CD. The CD I am speaking of is the SONY version with 1992 and 1985 release dates. I also have a holland version - dated 1985 as well - and it contains the intro. Now I'm confused. I thought the Stern intro was *only* on the U.S. version, but I may be mistaken (will have to check my Holland version again -- I get confused as I have the UK mix on a tape). Send me via a private e-mail (jswartz at mitre.org) the catalog #'s on the sides of the CD and I'll check them against mine. Also, any noticible differences in the tracks, or liner notes (e.g. mispelling "Make Rock Not War" as "Rock on Wars"). Also, the way I determine definitively the UK version is whether or not "White Flags" ends by fade-out or not (only the UK version does not fade out as far as I know). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 18 08:48:33 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:48:33 -0500 Subject: BOC: CN on CD Message-ID: Troy asks: hey guys, There is also some differences between the Brit-US CN on the mixes of Rock not War and Dancing in the ruins. But the million buck mquestion is whether the version of RNW on the White flags 12 inch is available any where else, either CD or vinyl. I "think" the answer is no. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 18 08:56:13 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:56:13 -0500 Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: Albert queries: >Isn't this all in the FAQ? Some of it - the BOC release stuff is all there. Jerry has also tried to list as many of BOC's gigs (and setlists where known) as possible as well. John PS: No, I don't plan on putting all of BOC's gigs/setlists in any future revision of the FAQ -- however, at some later point, I might consider putting a list of BOC's "standard" setlist for each year or tour. From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Mon Nov 18 09:30:12 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:30:12 +0100 Subject: HW : Japanese Lyrics Message-ID: >I have a carbon, I'm not alone >Every fibre of my flesh and bone >Is identical to the others >Everything I say or do >Is still the same so >That's what kept your brother's voice. >There is no choice between us >And you rejoice in your uniqueness >Feel a glow, I have no flow >Do I get you, for even this time >Though the boys were on my side >I just been hit by another >Twenty thousand solid working men >Who say, Oh, for the wings of angels >All that our country had > > >Can you guess what line this is from? >An easy one to start with! > >"Run and find a priest, I just took the potion" > > >-- >Jon Browne Aha, so that's what Syd Barret's been doing for the last 25 years! (sing to the tune of 'Birdy Hop') Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 18 09:50:24 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:50:24 GMT Subject: HW: Let's vote for the favorite HW track-listing Message-ID: Oh, and if I thought Dave would get the acoustic out I'd probably insist on "We Took the Wrong Step Years Ago". For sure. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 18 09:46:18 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:46:18 GMT Subject: HW: Let's vote for the favorite HW track-listing Message-ID: On s?n 17 nov 1996 10.46 "Bernhard Pospiech" wrote: > Let us create a (phantasy) tack-list HAWKWIND should use during their > gigs. > Here is my offer: > > treadmill / golden void / lord of light / spirit of the age / white zone > / space is deep / parasites are here on earth / secret agent / chronoglide > skyway / sleep of a 1000 tears / love in space / damnation alley > And what about you ????? First of all, we need a longer show :) / indicates a break between songs. > indicates a segue between songs. First set: Abducted > Born to Go > Upside Down / PSI Power [rock version :) Sputnik Stan / The Right Stuff / Master of the Universe > Elfin > LSD / Lord of Light > Vega > Space is Deep > The Reason Is? > Sonic Attack > Brainstorm > Wastelands > Are You Losing Your Mind? [Interval, during which bizarre films of space will be shown, acrobats and fire eaters can perform]. Second set: Assualt and Battery > Golden Void / Out of the Shadows > Snake Dance > Assassins of Allah / Invocation of Magnu > Magnu > Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke) > Blue Shift > Love in Space > Spirit of the Age / Mask of Morning > The Awakening > Time We Left This World Today > Alien (I Am) > The Watcher [spacey, ambient version] Encore: Paradox / You Shouldn't Do That > Seeing It As You Really Are > Welcome to the Future Very reasonable, I think :) I've even included plenty of spacey ambient bits to break it up. "Paradox" is one of the great lost HW songs. So is "Upside Down", which is short too :) "PSI Power" should be as played on the _This is Hawkwind: Do Not Panic_ album, of course--screaming, roaring rock :) "Out of the Shadows" as per _California Brainstorm to likewise force Dave to get out from behind those synths and rock out on guitar. He is the man. I think HW really missed a bet on the last tour by not pairing "Love in Space" and "Spirit of the Age" (irony is a wonderful thing :) and I think they _definitely_ should have reworked Lemmy's "The Watcher" to fit their current sound, since it would have matched the feel of the recent _Alien 4_ material and would have been extremely powerful I think. Notice I managed to avoid putting "Silver Machine" in the set list ;) My personal preferences tend to lead me to include a lot of Lemmy-era material as well as quite a bit of the 90s material. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Mon Nov 18 13:23:48 1996 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 19:23:48 +0100 Subject: Calvert & Amon Duul Message-ID: hello all, to clear up rumours about what incarnation of Mr. Calvert played with Amon D??l: on "Die Loesung" it was THE Robert Calvert of the you-know-which-band. you can find a pile of infos on the album plus lyrics and an extensive statement of John Weinziert (co-founder of D??l and composer of the entire "Die Loesung" album) on Calvert and the sessions for the album on my site on Calvert - 'Collab-Relations' and 'The World on Calvert' pages - the Calvert site: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ there'S a huge chunk of new Hawkwind / Calvert material underway - soon to appear on this site....more news soon...keep your eyes open... greetings, Knut Gerwers VideoFest Mediopolis Berlin e.V. Potsdamer Str. 96 D - 10785 Berlin Germany tel: *30 - 262 8714 fax: *30 - 262 8713 email: videofest at mediopolis.de http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ From stayer at PI.NET Mon Nov 18 03:02:36 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 00:02:36 PST Subject: HW: Ghent, 23.07.1996 Message-ID: >>>Here is the track listing from the 110 minutes festival gig in Ghent: >>If that is the town in Belgium, it should be Gent, without the 'h'. > Nope, Ghent in Belgium has an h in it (pronounced gent). >Gent is a contraction of gentleman (pronounced jent) as in the >sentence "I fell over in ther gent's at the Hawkwind concert" As Andy pointed out, in English it is Ghent. And like I would spell London instead of Londen (official in Dutch), Thames instead of Theems (Dutch), Köln insteads of Keulen (Dutch) or Cologne (English) and many other examples, I would write Gent instead of Ghent. Didn't we all learn not to translate names? Jerry The Netherlands :-) From stayer at PI.NET Tue Nov 19 03:23:34 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:23:34 PST Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: John said: >PS: No, I don't plan on putting all of BOC's gigs/setlists in any future >revision of the FAQ -- however, at some later point, I might consider >putting a list of BOC's "standard" setlist for each year or tour. Why don't you put a standard set list in the FAQ, and name all songs that were played but were not on the standard set list. You will get only one set of titles per year or tour then. Jerry From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Tue Nov 19 03:16:15 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:16:15 +1000 Subject: BOC: CN on CD Message-ID: I've had two enquiries from boc-lers about the CDs sighted round here. The latest news is that one of the disks (the one from Holland) has been bought (by someone other than me), leaving one (the US import). I haven't had a chance to pick it up yet, but tomorrow's looking likely. So, Joe & Alton, if either of you have changed your mind then fine. Otherwise, I'd suggest that since Joe's email arrived here first, he should therefore get first option. Is that too simplistic? I'm open to suggestions. The cost (from memory) is A$30.00 or about US$23.70 by my reckoning. How about we take this off-list now and maybe talk trades. Pete. ObCD: *Who's Next* - The Who. Re-mastered and better than ever. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Forget about that macho shit And learn to play guitar!" -JCM From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Tue Nov 19 04:02:51 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:02:51 +0100 Subject: HW: Opal Butterfly/Sam Gopal's Dream Message-ID: Does anybody have any info on these obscure bands which Lemmy played guitar in before joining Hawkwind? From what I gather they were 60's psych bands - have they ever released anything with or without with Lemmy? Christian From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 19 04:51:55 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:51:55 GMT Subject: HW: Biz Trip tracks In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:24:35 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > At 14:46 15.11.96 GMT, you wrote: > >Just wondering. Two tracks on The Business Trip album (Berlin Axis > >and The Day The Wall Came Down) are excellent tracks but both are > >instrumentals and, so far, I haven't found them anywhere except the Biz > > BERLIN AXIS is identical with Dave Brocks GATEWAY from his current CD > And so it is! With some extra audience noise in the Biz Trip and a guitar link to Golden Void. Thanks! It sounds like the choir is singing "Doh -ray -me -fah -so -lah" but I could be wrong! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Tue Nov 19 05:13:54 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:13:54 -0000 Subject: HW: Ghent, 23.07.1996 Message-ID: YAWN (IMHO) ---------- From: Jerry[SMTP:stayer at PI.NET] Sent: Monday, November 18, 1996 08:02 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Ghent, 23.07.1996 >>>Here is the track listing from the 110 minutes festival gig in Ghent: >>If that is the town in Belgium, it should be Gent, without the 'h'. > Nope, Ghent in Belgium has an h in it (pronounced gent). >Gent is a contraction of gentleman (pronounced jent) as in the >sentence "I fell over in ther gent's at the Hawkwind concert" As Andy pointed out, in English it is Ghent. And like I would spell London instead of Londen (official in Dutch), Thames instead of Theems (Dutch), Köln insteads of Keulen (Dutch) or Cologne (English) and many other examples, I would write Gent instead of Ghent. Didn't we all learn not to translate names? 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Message-ID: Is the list down, or is my shitty Eudora screwing things up???? From djve at DEAKIN.EDU.AU Tue Nov 19 07:08:59 1996 From: djve at DEAKIN.EDU.AU (David Evans) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:08:59 +1100 Subject: HW: Opal Butterfly/Sam Gopal's Dream Message-ID: Obviously many people have. Peter Frahms "Rock Family Trees" has a good quick summary of early stuff. Quick summary from above tome: Rockin' Vickers: '65-67. Lemmy on two non-hit CBS singles. Sam Gopal's Dream: 68-69. Full entry reads "Released one album". Opal Butterfly: 4 months of 1970. While I loved his stuff in HW I saw Motorhead in Brisbane in Oz. I was a skinny (late) teen in Brisbane in the 80's. In a half crowded room of bikers with the odd and a few people in suits I was a loner with an old HW tee-shirt. The music was so loud that every thing was distorted. The band drowned Lemmy's voice. It was hot and the crowd flat. What a downer. If I wasn't so straight I would have considered drugs. David Evans Christian Mumford wrote: > Does anybody have any info on these obscure bands which Lemmy played guitar i >n > before joining Hawkwind? From what I gather they were 60's psych bands - have > they ever released anything with or without with Lemmy? > > Christian > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 19 08:16:16 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:16:16 -0500 Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: >Why don't you put a standard set list in the FAQ, and name all songs that were played but were not on the standard set list. You will get only one set of titles per year or tour then. It will be something like that, yes. Bolle is putting together a "Tape Collector's Guide to BOC" which will I believe chronicle all known live tapes of BOC with locations and setlists. I'm going to wait until he's more or less done with that as it will be the definitive source for my information. But, that is probably a year or so away as far as the FAQ is concerned. I'm still trying to finish up my listing of bands covering BOC, and then when the new Morning Final comes out, I will hopefully be ready to put the final touches on revision 2.2 (due out in December or January). Hopefully, an additional update will come out in 1997 after the release of the next BOC album (fingers still crossed). John PS: Revision 2.2 will also contain discography information for *Box of Hammers* by the Brain Surgeons.] From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Nov 19 10:06:38 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:06:38 +0800 Subject: HW: Hillary Bio Message-ID: I saw on a TV show tonight mention of a Hillary Clinton biography, by what appeared to be a Mr. David Brock. He sure does get around!! William From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Nov 16 15:05:59 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 07:05:59 +1100 Subject: Moorcock Lyrics Message-ID: Greetings, Does anybody have, or know of the wereabouts of the lyrics of two (fairly rareish) Michael Moorcock numbers:- "Good Girl, Bad Girl" and "Another Quiet Day in Auschwitz"? These are two of my absolute favorites and am planning to do covers of them. Can play the tune, but it's dificult to do them without knowing the lyrics. Oh, and I'm in the middle of doing up a Moorcock site, too. If anyone's interested - and it's going to be about more than just Elric (though I like Simon's site, if you're out there Simon). -Max Wilcox From stayer at PI.NET Tue Nov 19 10:30:40 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 07:30:40 PST Subject: BOC: 1989 tour vocals I Am The One You Warned Me Of Message-ID: I am listening to a 1989 live tape (1989-04-06, Docks, Hamburg, Germany). Does anyone know who is singing the high-pitched vocals on I Am The One You Warned Me Of? Don't tell me this is also in the FAQ, or I really should get a newer version... (I will, I will!) Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Nov 19 10:33:07 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 07:33:07 PST Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: I corrected the link to BOC.ARJ and BOC.EXE on the main page of BOCbase. It didn't work, but now it should. Jerry From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Tue Nov 19 11:56:33 1996 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:56:33 GMT Subject: HW: Opal Butterfly/Sam Gopal's Dream Message-ID: In message ID <199611191208.XAA06451 at hestia.ccs.deakin.edu.au> on 20/11/96, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion L wrote: BDL> Quick summary from above tome: BDL> BDL> Rockin' Vickers: '65-67. Lemmy on two non-hit CBS singles. BDL> BDL> Sam Gopal's Dream: 68-69. Full entry reads "Released one album". There is a Sam Gopal who plays tablas on daevid Allen's album "Now is the happiest time of your life"; which would ( if same Sam) add a link to the Gong/HW relations. Olivier Via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 19 06:07:51 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:07:51 +0000 Subject: HW: Opal Butterfly/Sam Gopal's Dream In-Reply-To: <199611190902.KAA13468@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: In message <199611190902.KAA13468 at kirov.eunet.no>, Christian Mumford writes >Does anybody have any info on these obscure bands which Lemmy played guitar in >before joining Hawkwind? From what I gather they were 60's psych bands - have >they ever released anything with or without with Lemmy? > >Christian Didn't Opal Butterfly release "In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida, Bastard!!" :-))) Well, I saw a Rockin' Vicars single in Record Collector the other day. I balked at ?30. Has anyone heard this coz I didn't know they'd had anything released? Oh BTW I spoke to that guy four doors down, my beloved wife had misheard *his* wife in the pub. He was in Wreckless Eric's band. Easily done, eh? Rockin' Vicars/Wreckless Eric, anyone would make the same mistake. Fortunately, I have several Wreckless Eric records, and plenty to talk about anyway! :) -- Jon Browne From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Tue Nov 19 14:21:00 1996 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:21:00 E Subject: HW: Opal Butterfly/Sam Gopal's Dream Message-ID: There is a CD available for Sam Gopal's Dream It is called Escalator. The first track is called Cold Embrace that phrase is used over and over by Lemmy most recently on at least one or two tracks on Overnight Sensation. I'll post more later today. I don't have the info on me. bryan From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Tue Nov 19 14:45:45 1996 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:45:45 E Subject: HW: Opal Butterfly/Sam Gopal's Dream Message-ID: SAM GOPAL SIDE ONE: COLD EMBRACE (GROUP) THE DARK LORD (GROUP) THE SKY IS BURNING (WILLIS) YOUR'E ALONE NOW (GROUP) GRASS (WILLIS) IT'S ONLY LOVE (WILLIS) SIDE TWO: ESCALATOR (WILLIS) ANGRY FACES (DAVIDSON) MIDSUMMER NIGHTS DREAM (GROUP) SEASON OF THE WITCH (LEITCH)*****YES, DONAVAN!!!! YESTERLOVE (WILLIS) PERSONNEL SAM GOPAL- TABLA/PERCUSSION IAN (LEMMY) WILLIS- VOCAL/LEAD/RHYTHM GUITAR ROGER D'ELIA- LEAD/ACOUDTIC/RHYTHM GUITAR PHIL DUKE- BASS RECORDED AT DE-LANE LEA 10 OCT- 26 NOV 1968 MORGAN SOUND 10/12/15 NOV 1968 ENGINEERING- BARRY AINSWORTH, ANDY JOHNS (WHY DO THEY SOUND FAMILIAR?) with the two pictures on the CD you can barely pick out who is Lemmy. It was released TTE a division of TNT enterprises KRUPPSTRAUSSE 110 D-6000 FRANKFURT TEL# 069-413027 FAX# 069-411071 There is also a comp CD of lemmy in cluding Rockin' vicar stuff, HW Sam gopal and other stuff. It is truly odd to hear Lemmy SING!!! not growl not to forget he sings Donavan with a chorus of girls!!! the CD # is TTE 004CD. cheers and enjoy, bryan pitkin at ac.marywood.edu From mpower at FCMC.COM Tue Nov 19 14:55:28 1996 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:55:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Opal Butterfly/Sam Gopal's Dream Message-ID: Bryan Pitkin wrote: > > There is a CD available for Sam Gopal's Dream It is > called Escalator. > The first track is called Cold Embrace > that phrase is used over and over by Lemmy most recently on at least > one or two tracks on Overnight Sensation. > I'll post more later today. I don't have the info on me. > bryan Yeah, what gives on Overnight Sensation? Can't remember the name of the track, but there is one track on there that has a ripoff of the 'Master of the Universe' riff. Am I imagining it or has anyone else noticed? Cheers! Marc. From LukeChurch at AOL.COM Tue Nov 19 17:07:25 1996 From: LukeChurch at AOL.COM (Jean-Luc Carrier) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:07:25 -0500 Subject: Rep : BOC: 1989 tour vocals I Am The One You Warned Me Of Message-ID: Hi, It was Jon Rogers singing (he did vocal parts on the album too, including lead on "Imaginos") and also he played bass guitar. He joined the Cult in '87 and quit on summer '95. Don't tell me ya don't know him ? LuKe From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Nov 19 18:14:16 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:14:16 UT Subject: 1989 tour vocals I Am The One You Warned Me Of Message-ID: Rogers? Andy From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Nov 19 18:42:01 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:42:01 -0500 Subject: HW : Japanese Lyrics Message-ID: On 18-NOV-1996 09:33:14.2 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >>I have a carbon, I'm not alone >>Every fibre of my flesh and bone >>Is identical to the others >>Everything I say or do >>Is still the same so >>That's what kept your brother's voice. >>There is no choice between us >>And you rejoice in your uniqueness >>Feel a glow, I have no flow >>Do I get you, for even this time >>Though the boys were on my side >>I just been hit by another >>Twenty thousand solid working men >>Who say, Oh, for the wings of angels >>All that our country had >> >> >>Can you guess what line this is from? >>An easy one to start with! >> >>"Run and find a priest, I just took the potion" >> >> >>-- >>Jon Browne Got anymore Japanese lyrics? This is really fun, just as much as the BOC Live '76 lyrics... Chuck `[1;30;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Nov 19 08:00:47 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig A. Shipley) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:00:47 -0500 Subject: Testing, testing??? Message-ID: Must be dat shitty Eudora! objCDPlayer: Mark Shreeve / Power House (library CD) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Christian Mumford[SMTP:christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 1996 5:53 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Testing, testing??? Is the list down, or is my shitty Eudora screwing things up???? From Chevelle at IO-ONLINE.COM Tue Nov 19 23:34:12 1996 From: Chevelle at IO-ONLINE.COM (Chevelle) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 20:34:12 -0800 Subject: Cancel Message-ID: Please cancel my BOC-L updates as my job has me transferring to another state. I will resubscribe when I get an account there. I guess the magic words are shut up, or maybe stop, cease and desist. Hell I don't know, the moving company packed all my computer related stuff, including your instructions, Help? Until then, John Gray From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Tue Nov 19 23:50:05 1996 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 05:50:05 +0100 Subject: HUGE HAWKWIND FILES Message-ID: hello all, it was a bit quiet on the Calvert site lately - but...finally the result of some weeks HTML-ing is online: the ULTIMATE files on the HAWKWIND and CALVERT CONNECTION: FOUR SOLID PAGES that tell the whole-wild-productive-mad story: from Calvert's earliest contacts to the band until his final departure in late '78. The pages contain lots of photos, interview pieces, press clippings and other texts - some of it has never been released and seen before! (for instance the unleashing of the complete -notorious Hawkwind in Paris episode...) / full colour pics of the ATOMHENGE and SPACE RITUAL stage shows....in short: a MUST-GO-SITE for all you Hawkwinders.... - go there via the HAWKWIND link in the main menu - from there through the other 3 parts.... and there's more: - piles of new lyrics: the complete lyrics for the CAPTAIN LOCKHEED and LUCKY LEIF albums / the REVENGE tape (with Pete Pavli) / lyrics from early HW performances and later records / lyrics from the collaborations with Adrian Wagner ('Cricket Star' a.o.) - a new text from PAUL RUDOLPH: his memories of the recroding sessions for LUCKY LEIF ....and more - all listed on the NEWS pages..... hope you like it - would be nice if you drop me a line when you are / were there. Feedback keeps sites like this going.... best to all of you, knut Gerwers Knut Gerwers email: videofest at mediopolis.de THE CALVERT SITE: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Wed Nov 20 04:06:02 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:06:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Opal Butterfly/Sam Gopal's Dream Message-ID: >TEL# 069-413027 FAX# 069-411071 >There is also a comp CD of lemmy in cluding Rockin' vicar stuff, HW Sam gopal >and other stuff. It is truly odd to hear Lemmy SING!!! not growl >not to forget he sings Donavan with a chorus of girls!!! >the CD # is TTE 004CD. >cheers and enjoy, >bryan >pitkin at ac.marywood.edu I have a Lemmy comp called 'Born to Lose - Live to Win' - it has one Rockin' Vicars track, a few HW tracks and several Motorhead/side prjects, but no Sam Gopal... Now, hearing Lemmy doing Donovan I gotta hear!!! Christian From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 20 04:55:22 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:55:22 GMT Subject: Testing, testing??? In-Reply-To: Craig A. Shipley's message of Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:00:47 -0500 Message-ID: Craig A. Shipley writes: > Must be dat shitty Eudora! > > objCDPlayer: Mark Shreeve / Power House (library CD) > > Craig Shipley > craigs at pyramid.com > > ---------- > From: Christian Mumford[SMTP:christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO] > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 1996 5:53 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Testing, testing??? > > Is the list down, or is my shitty Eudora screwing things up???? Nah - there's a major blockage somewhere. My messages aren't bouncing back (this'll probably disappear for days!) almost nothing seems to be coming in from the States - just UK and Europe and I guess it depends on the route whether a reply arrives two days before the question or a week afterwards. Must be the weather. I blame the ozone layer (or lack of it). 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Wed Nov 20 05:34:30 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:34:30 +0100 Subject: HW: RHCP swiping Orgone Accumulator? Message-ID: When I played 'Orgone Accumulator' for a rommate of mine once, he remarked that Red Hot Chili Peppers must have lifted the funky bassline from this HW song for their cover of Stevie Wonder's 'Higher Ground' - I haven't heard the original version, but the RHCP version sounds *excactly* like the HW tune to my ears as well - is Flea a Hawkwind fan??? Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 20 06:03:42 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:03:42 GMT Subject: HW: Opal Butterfly/Sam Gopal's Dream Message-ID: > --On ons 20 nov 1996 10.06 "Christian Mumford" wrote: > >TEL# 069-413027 FAX# 069-411071 > >There is also a comp CD of lemmy in cluding Rockin' vicar stuff, HW Sam > >gopal and other stuff. It is truly odd to hear Lemmy SING!!! not growl > >not to forget he sings Donavan with a chorus of girls!!! > >the CD # is TTE 004CD. > >cheers and enjoy, > >bryan > >pitkin at ac.marywood.edu > > > I have a Lemmy comp called 'Born to Lose - Live to Win' - it has one > Rockin' Vicars track, a few HW tracks and several Motorhead/side prjects, > but no Sam Gopal... Now, hearing Lemmy doing Donovan I gotta hear!!! Eh!? What's this? I haven't seen the original message yet, but knowing boc-l it won't appear for days yet ... What's the title of this new Lemmy compilation? I've got the _Born to Lose - Live to Win_ one, but this other one sounds like a must have! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 20 06:11:11 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:11:11 +0000 Subject: Testing, testing??? In-Reply-To: <9611200955.aa02712@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9611200955.aa02712 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes > >Nah - there's a major blockage somewhere. My messages aren't bouncing >back (this'll probably disappear for days!) almost nothing seems to be >coming in from the States - just UK and Europe and I guess it depends on >the route whether a reply arrives two days before the question or a week >afterwards. > > >jill Seems OK down here! -- Jon Browne From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Wed Nov 20 06:15:46 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:15:46 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 19 Nov 1996 to 20 Nov 1996 In-Reply-To: <199611201005.KAA24397@listserv.rl.ac.uk> Message-ID: Can anyone direct me to the file containing all of the Hawkwind Lyrics. I used to have it on my PC but recently upgraded and mislaid it :( Maxine From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 20 06:36:41 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:36:41 GMT Subject: Testing, testing??? In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:11:11 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In message <9611200955.aa02712 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge > writes > > > >Nah - there's a major blockage somewhere. My messages aren't bouncing > >back (this'll probably disappear for days!) almost nothing seems to be > >coming in from the States - just UK and Europe and I guess it depends on > >the route whether a reply arrives two days before the question or a week > >afterwards. > > > > > >jill > > Seems OK down here! Hawkwarp..... still I'm definitely one message short and where's America gone? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 20 07:09:44 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:09:44 GMT Subject: HW: Let's vote for the favorite HW track-listing In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:13:30 +0100 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > >space is deep / parasites are here on earth / secret agent / chronoglide > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > have I missed something? > what is this? > > > >Bernhard > > \\joe The track "Astronauts" maybe? Here are the lyrics: Astronauts ========== The Astronauts are here on Earth Their spaceship is an armoured car In a landscape increasingly lunar I've seen them on the Northern Sands With geiger counters in their hands Their movements slowed by gravity And bureaucratic necessity How the minds within the helmets Must be filled with sad regrets For the days of weightlessness A heady time before ballistics And falsification of field statistics Imagination leads us on It's one small step for the likes of me And yet in fickle reality The first space age has come and gone We reached a psychic barrier A hand Maybe a mirror Which told us "go no further" Besides, considerations fiscal So swiftly severed our umbilical We turned our backs on galaxies We changed NASA priorities To fit in with the military's Launching Star Wars technology Co-existent with satellite TV We follow the lead of Hollywood Tail firmly wagging the dog You and I are parasites We have the anti-Midas touch Turning everything to dust We are the poisons and disease There is no magic cure for these Boxed deposits in sea and soil Outlast Humankind itself Like cats we bury our detritus We've brought the craters back home with us And the astronauts are here on Earth From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Nov 20 06:35:52 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 22:35:52 +1100 Subject: Testing, testing??? Message-ID: On 20 Nov 96 at 9:55, J Strobridge wrote: > > From: Christian Mumford[SMTP:christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO] > > > > Is the list down, or is my shitty Eudora screwing things up???? > > Must be the weather. I blame the ozone layer (or lack of it). 8-) Can't be ... everything seems to be coming in "in order" down under where the big hole is! oBSpaceJunk .... that satellite must have bounced off the edge of the hole on the way down. Phew! Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Wed Nov 20 09:25:57 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:25:57 -0600 Subject: Testing, testing??? In-Reply-To: <9611201136.aa19292@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Nov 20, 96 11:36:41 am Message-ID: > Jon Browne writes: > > In message <9611200955.aa02712 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge > > writes > > >Nah - there's a major blockage somewhere. My messages aren't bouncing > > >back (this'll probably disappear for days!) almost nothing seems to be > > >coming in from the States - just UK and Europe and I guess it depends on > > >the route whether a reply arrives two days before the question or a week > > >afterwards. > > >jill > > Seems OK down here! > Hawkwarp..... > still I'm definitely one message short and where's America gone? > jill > Still here Jill, counting the minutes till HW comes for a visit! -- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." - Albert Einstein Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6982 From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Nov 20 09:41:18 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:41:18 GMT Subject: BOC: CN on CD In-Reply-To: <199611151327.IAA03275@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >Also, I have been told by Jean-Luc Carrier (who runs the French BOC >fanclub) that the UK version of *Club Ninja* (no fadeout on "White >Flags") does NOT exist on CD - only vinyl (and maybe cassette). So, >I've basically stopped looking for what is probably a non-existent CD. >John Just to let you know, It's is on tape too, I've got it! and 'White Flags' doesn't fade out. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Nov 20 09:41:22 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:41:22 GMT Subject: HW: Opal Butterfly/Sam Gopal's Dream In-Reply-To: <65UXyHAHUZkyEwEw@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Reply to Jon Browne about Re: HW: Opal Butterfly/Sam Gopal's Dream >In message <199611190902.KAA13468 at kirov.eunet.no>, Christian Mumford > writes >>Does anybody have any info on these obscure bands which Lemmy played guitar >>in before joining Hawkwind? From what I gather they were 60's psych bands - >>have they ever released anything with or without with Lemmy? >> >>Christian I believe that someone recently released a compilation cd of Rockin' Vicars stuff with Lemmy. I'm sure I saw it in Record collector. Possibly on RPM records. Was it the Vicars or one of Lemmy's other pre-Hawks bands? (Memory fails AGAIN!) Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Nov 20 09:41:26 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:41:26 GMT Subject: Moorcock Lyrics In-Reply-To: <328E1EA7.7CF4@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: Reply to Max Wilcox about Moorcock Lyrics >Greetings, > Does anybody have, or know of the wereabouts of the lyrics of two >(fairly rareish) Michael Moorcock numbers:- "Good Girl, Bad Girl" and >"Another Quiet Day in Auschwitz"? These are two of my absolute favorites >and am planning to do covers of them. Can play the tune, but it's >dificult to do them without knowing the lyrics. If anyone gets these could they post them to me too. Cheers > Oh, and I'm in the middle of doing up a Moorcock site, too. If > anyone's >interested - and it's going to be about more than just Elric (though I >like Simon's site, if you're out there Simon). Oh I'm always around somewhere. My Moorcock sites a bit static at the moment as I've run out of interviews to put up. I've done a large bibliography with illustrations but it's way to huge for my lowly 2 meg of space. If anybody has any interesting Mike interviews/articles I'd be happy to hear from them. A photocopy would do so that I can transcribe it. Let me know. I'm also looking for colour scans (for personal use) of a few books, mainly the none sword and sorcery stuff. I only have a B&W scanner and even that's not that good. Any help would be appriciated Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/simain.html (I think thats it!!!) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 20 06:55:24 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:55:24 +0000 Subject: HW : Japanese Lyrics In-Reply-To: <01IC1GFX5ZLE95PMSS@delphi.com> Message-ID: In message <01IC1GFX5ZLE95PMSS at delphi.com>, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes > >Got anymore Japanese lyrics? This is really fun, just as much as the BOC >Live '76 lyrics... > >Chuck >`[1;30;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive There are a few others but not as good. Motor Way City where you won't see nothing right cruising on a highway When you travel through the night. or Magnetic poles repel, that's right Once you start there's no turning back or Waiting in the valley of all creation Bawling out a song for the state of the nation Time's hard for the paths are never relating Frozen in the back while my senses are liberating Dust of time got in your eye Fleeting glimpse gone in a sigh Looking from the future into the past now Footprints of awareness approaching so fast now Inside there are mothers awaiting inspection Actually, we mean that every word there is rejection or (From "Shot Down") "Holding on to a one-eyed scene" -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 20 06:14:11 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:14:11 +0000 Subject: HW: RHCP swiping Orgone Accumulator? In-Reply-To: <199611201034.LAA12170@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: In message <199611201034.LAA12170 at kirov.eunet.no>, Christian Mumford writes >When I played 'Orgone Accumulator' for a rommate of mine once, he remarked >that Red Hot Chili Peppers must have lifted the funky bassline from this HW >song >for their cover of Stevie Wonder's 'Higher Ground' - I haven't heard the >original version, but the RHCP version sounds *excactly* like the HW tune to >my ears as well - is Flea a Hawkwind fan??? > >Christian As much as I like to think the Chilli's were Hawknuts, their cover of Higher Ground is faithful to the original. Maybe Stevie Wonder is the Hawkfan! OFFComics : Flea will be doing the voice of "Grunge" in the Gen13 cartoons. -- Jon Browne From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Nov 20 10:49:23 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:49:23 +0800 Subject: HW: Opal Butterfly/Sam Gopal's Dream Message-ID: simon wrote: > > Reply to Jon Browne about Re: HW: Opal Butterfly/Sam Gopal's Dream > >In message <199611190902.KAA13468 at kirov.eunet.no>, Christian Mumford > > writes > >>Does anybody have any info on these obscure bands which Lemmy played guitar > >>in before joining Hawkwind? From what I gather they were 60's psych bands - > >>have they ever released anything with or without with Lemmy? > >> > >>Christian > > I believe that someone recently released a compilation cd of Rockin' Vicars > stuff with Lemmy. I'm sure I saw it in Record collector. Possibly on RPM > records. Was it the Vicars or one of Lemmy's other pre-Hawks bands? It was in the November '95 issue. The actual album title appears to be "Lifelines-Complete", and the code is RETRO 803. The CD apparantly contains all their singles, a rare track released only in Finland, plus six unreleased tracks. It is available from Cee Dee Mail. You can probably get it from other RPM outlets as well. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Nov 20 10:55:08 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:55:08 +0800 Subject: HW: RHCP swiping Orgone Accumulator? Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In message <199611201034.LAA12170 at kirov.eunet.no>, Christian Mumford > writes > >When I played 'Orgone Accumulator' for a rommate of mine once, he remarked > >that Red Hot Chili Peppers must have lifted the funky bassline from this HW > >song > >for their cover of Stevie Wonder's 'Higher Ground' - I haven't heard the > >original version, but the RHCP version sounds *excactly* like the HW tune to > >my ears as well - is Flea a Hawkwind fan??? An Australian band called The Angels recorded a song called "The Dogs Are Talking" which is apparently identical to "Death Trap"! I haven't heard their song since it was pointed out to me, so I cannot confirm this. William From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Nov 20 11:28:14 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:28:14 +0000 Subject: HW: RHCP swiping Orgone Accumulator? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:55:08 +0800." <329329DC.2377@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: > > An Australian band called The Angels recorded a song called "The Dogs > Are Talking" which is apparently identical to "Death Trap"! huh ? I don't hear that. > I haven't heard their song since it was pointed out to me, so I cannot > confirm this. It's on their album _Beyond Salvation_ Excellent bluesy rock somewhere between AC/DC & George Thorogood. > William Man, whatever happened to the Angels after that album ? Tim From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Nov 20 08:20:52 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig A. Shipley) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:20:52 -0500 Subject: Testing, testing??? Message-ID: We're here, just sleeping... obCDPlayer: Moog Cookbook (this is a hoot! All the ol' funky synth sounds of the '70's performing todays' music! Not strictly Moogs only, lots of ARP, Rolands, Fenders, 'Trons, etc. I love it!!) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: J Strobridge[SMTP:eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK] Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 1996 6:36 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Testing, testing??? Jon Browne writes: > In message <9611200955.aa02712 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge > writes > > > >Nah - there's a major blockage somewhere. My messages aren't bouncing > >back (this'll probably disappear for days!) almost nothing seems to be > >coming in from the States - just UK and Europe and I guess it depends on > >the route whether a reply arrives two days before the question or a week > >afterwards. > > > > > >jill > > Seems OK down here! Hawkwarp..... still I'm definitely one message short and where's America gone? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Wed Nov 20 13:10:00 1996 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:10:00 E Subject: HW : Japanese Lyrics Message-ID: "And you rejoice in your uniqueness..." SPIRIT of the AGE speaking of that track Does any one know what is said in the megaphone/radio transmission in the begining of the track on Q.S. and charms? I was listening to it last night and couldn't figure it out. From mpower at FCMC.COM Wed Nov 20 13:25:53 1996 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power Technology) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:25:53 -0500 Subject: Motorhead - Overnight Sensation has HW riff? Message-ID: OK, following up from my last post, I had a relisten to Motorhead's Overnight Sensation and the track in question is Broken, which definitely seems to 'borrow' the riff from Master of the Universe in its verse section. Could still just be me though. Cheers! Marc From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Nov 20 15:53:34 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:53:34 UT Subject: HW: RHCP swiping Orgone Accumulator? Message-ID: >An Australian band called The Angels recorded a song called "The Dogs >Are Talking" which is apparently identical to "Death Trap"! Actually, it is similar, once pointed out... there's a bit which goes "body heat, body heat" which is a *lot* like "monkey on elastic".. but face it, "Death Trap" isn't the most original of chord structures, I doubt it's a steal! Not like Elastica nicking Stranglers riffs, anyway... >Man, whatever happened to the Angels after that album ? Called it a day, I think. - Andy ObLP: Angels - _Beyond Salvation_ From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Wed Nov 20 16:06:18 1996 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:06:18 -0800 Subject: OFF:klingon, Romulus fonts Message-ID: Get your klingon, Romulus fonts here, free. http://babel.uoregon.edu/yamada/fonts.html http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ ------------------------------- ------------------------------- spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Nov 20 16:23:49 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:23:49 -0500 Subject: Testing, testing??? In-Reply-To: <9611200955.aa02712@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In <9611200955.aa02712 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, on 11/20/96 at 09:55 AM, J Strobridge said: >> Is the list down, or is my shitty Eudora screwing things up???? >Nah - there's a major blockage somewhere. My messages aren't bouncing >back (this'll probably disappear for days!) almost nothing seems to be >coming in from the States - just UK and Europe and I guess it depends on >the route whether a reply arrives two days before the question or a week >afterwards. Looks like this one made it to the states ok (11/20). >Must be the weather. I blame the ozone layer (or lack of it). 8-) Just wait til 2000. You won't be able to run some of your software and I think Cycle 24 (or is it 23) hits - nasty space storm. Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From stayer at PI.NET Wed Nov 20 03:00:47 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:00:47 PST Subject: Rep : BOC: 1989 tour vocals I Am The One You Warned Me Of Message-ID: Luke said: >It was Jon Rogers singing (he did vocal parts on the album too, including >lead on "Imaginos") and also he played bass guitar. He joined the Cult in >'87 and quit on summer '95. Don't tell me ya don't know him ? Of course I know of Jon Rogers, I just didn't know he did those vocals. Jerry From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Nov 20 17:41:00 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:41:00 -0500 Subject: PSI POWER Message-ID: Has anyone seen the "Psi Power" web page at http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/lypsi.htm Worth checking out. Includes a .wav file of the track Psi Power with Calvert on vocals Cheers Martyn (spending the end of a dull Wednesday surfing the web) From uriah at HERMITAGE.RU Wed Nov 20 18:19:40 1996 From: uriah at HERMITAGE.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 02:19:40 +0300 Subject: HW: Space rock from London Message-ID: Greetings Hawkfans! I have an above mentioned CD - 1991 Hawkwind: Space Rock from London (which is, according to Discography, a [remix of BBC Transcription disc]) [Live BBC Session 14/10/72 - very good quality] (btw is it bootleg? it looks like one. anyway, I love it - it's really great). On the cover there is the concert photo (is it really from this concert?), and there are Dave Brock and Simon King photos - each one on the separate page, so I have an impression that there supposed to be photos of other band members also. The question is, is it really so? Or they just decided for some obscure reason to put only two of them? Yuri From a.wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Thu Nov 21 06:02:48 1996 From: a.wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Andrew Fergus Wilson) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:02:48 -0000 Subject: off: interesting looking url Message-ID: hi, the following looks like a pretty good mail-order place for music stuff, don't know yet, haven't checked it out, http://adeptserv3.adept.co.uk/rdavis/ andrew obbargainvinyl: parable of the arable land - the red crayola ukp2.75 hehehe obtrack: war sucks - the red crayola andrew f wilson "up and down round and round centre for social research story of my life" - Inner City Unit university of derby a.wilson at derby.ac.uk zedspace at geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/6368 http://yi.com/home/WilsonAndrew From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Nov 21 04:08:51 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:08:51 +1100 Subject: HW: Phil Franks' ISOS Page Message-ID: Hi All, Phil asked me to mention this: > http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/hawkwind/ > has been cleaned up a bit (I did it all) > > it has a cleaner top, added court report...smaller footer and a link > to Barney's shrine If you haven't been there ... you should! Paul PS: The "OzHawks" home page should be online in a week or so .... From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Nov 21 06:30:15 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 12:30:15 +0100 Subject: HW: RHCP swiping Orgone Accumulator? Message-ID: At 08:53 PM 11/20/96 UT, you wrote: >>An Australian band called The Angels recorded a song called "The Dogs >>Are Talking" which is apparently identical to "Death Trap"! > >Actually, it is similar, once pointed out... there's a bit which goes "body >heat, body heat" which is a *lot* like "monkey on elastic".. but face it, >"Death Trap" isn't the most original of chord structures, I doubt it's a >steal! Not like Elastica nicking Stranglers riffs, anyway... > >>Man, whatever happened to the Angels after that album ? > >Called it a day, I think. > > >- Andy > They're not around anymore... GOOD! I've got that album and that is one of very few albums I'm ashame of owning ...it really stinks... I won't even listen to it to compare the two songs... ... and I can't throw it away 'cause my hand may start smelling of that rotten album... -Daniel Wikdahl . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From a.wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Thu Nov 21 08:41:52 1996 From: a.wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Andrew Fergus Wilson) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:41:52 -0000 Subject: interesting looking url Message-ID: > the following looks like a pretty good mail-order place for music stuff, > don't know yet, haven't checked it out, > > http://adeptserv3.adept.co.uk/rdavis/ okay, the attached is their hawkwind stuff - at ridiculous prices if you ask me, but you pays your money... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: I just saw Laibach last night, and seeing as they have a reportoire of warped cover songs it just occured to me that they could do a reeal scary version of Master of The Universe!! Here's my silly little fantasy list of what bands/people (active or not) could do cool versions of Hawkwind songs.... Master of The Universe - Laibach Urban Guerilla - Germs Rocky Paths - Donovan Spirit of the Age - Devo Magnu - Angels of Death - Bolt Thrower Seeing It as You Really Are - Jimi Hendrix Uncle Sam's On Mars - Dead Kennedys LSD - Ozric Tentacles You Shouldn't Do That - Orb Oh well, I'm running out of imagination..... Christian From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Thu Nov 21 10:24:18 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:24:18 -0000 Subject: Covers.... I wish! Message-ID: All right! Boyzone, The Watcher Mike Flowers, Spiral Galaxy 28982(?) Bjork, Motorway City Well, perhaps not ---------- From: Christian Mumford[SMTP:christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 1996 02:52 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW: Covers.... I wish! I just saw Laibach last night, and seeing as they have a reportoire of warped cover songs it just occured to me that they could do a reeal scary version of Master of The Universe!! Here's my silly little fantasy list of what bands/people (active or not) could do cool versions of Hawkwind songs.... Master of The Universe - Laibach Urban Guerilla - Germs Rocky Paths - Donovan Spirit of the Age - Devo Magnu - Angels of Death - Bolt Thrower Seeing It as You Really Are - Jimi Hendrix Uncle Sam's On Mars - Dead Kennedys LSD - Ozric Tentacles You Shouldn't Do That - Orb Oh well, I'm running out of imagination..... 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Yep, it's a boot from the BBC transcription disc of which there are at most 24 vinyl copies. The Windsong disc appears to be from the same concert but is a different mix and with slight edits. AFAIK, the date on the disc is neither the date of the gig nor the broadcast date. Over to Bernard for more info on this... > On the cover there is the concert photo (is it really from this > concert?), and there are Dave Brock and Simon King photos - each one on > the separate page, so I have an impression that there supposed to be > photos of other band members also. The question is, is it really so? Or > they just decided for some obscure reason to put only two of them? The BBC Transcription disc is in a plain yellow sleeve and so the pictures were added by the bootlegger. > Yuri FoFP From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Thu Nov 21 11:40:29 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Starless and Bible Black) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:40:29 -0500 Subject: Covers.... I wish! Message-ID: >All right! > >Boyzone, The Watcher >Mike Flowers, Spiral Galaxy 28982(?) >Bjork, Motorway City > How about ramones doing Damnation alley or Quark strangeness and charm? From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 21 10:56:17 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:56:17 GMT Subject: BOTH: Re: Covers.... I wish! Message-ID: Ever since Al announced the tracklist for BoH and apologized for not including a HW cover, I've been giving this thought ... The best tBS cover of Hawkwind I could come up with is "Hassan I Sabha" (aka "Assassins of Allah"). Can't you just here Al growling, "It is written!" with Deb screeching "In the soul of the desert!" (sort of in the fashion of "Rise ..." and "Reverberate!" Man, they would do a great job of it! :) Cheers, Carl From mpower at FCMC.COM Thu Nov 21 11:17:46 1996 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power Technology) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:17:46 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons Message-ID: Hi, I am new to the list, so I am enquiring as to what relation the Brain Surgeons (with whom I am completely unfamiliar, but I have come across several references on this list) have to Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult? Please feel free to point me at the faq if there is one. Thanks Marc. From lansford at VNET.NET Thu Nov 21 09:48:56 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:48:56 GMT Subject: BOTH: Microsoft Plus! Themes for Windows 95 In-Reply-To: <01BBD14C.574E75A0@dynamic-6.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Craig Shipley wrote: >does anyone know of a theme-pack that would be >appropriate for HW and/or BOC? I've got some UFO-related animated cursors. Any suggestions for system colors or other cursor designs? Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 21 04:45:11 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:45:11 +0000 Subject: HW: RHCP swiping Orgone Accumulator? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >there's a bit which goes "body >heat, body heat" which is a *lot* like "monkey on elastic".. Eh, Chris, you were right about the monkeys! All the best songs have monkeys :) -- Jon Browne OBCD - Psychedelic Dungeon feat. "Scream Thy Last Scream" Floyd *with* Barrett and Pretty Things "Defecting Grey" From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Nov 21 13:14:59 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:14:59 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons Message-ID: Marc asks: >Hi, I am new to the list, so I am enquiring as to what relation the Brain Surgeons (with whom I am completely unfamiliar, but I have come across several references on this list) have to Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult? Please feel free to point me at the faq if there is one. Well...he asked for it .... ;-) Welcome Marc! The Brain Surgeons were founded by noted rock scribe Deborah Frost (who until recently was a member of BOC-L), and her husband, Albert Bouchard (BOC-L member, and of course the original drummer for Blue Oyster Cult). And yes, there is a (rather large) FAQ (yours truly is the editor, and lots of folks here on BOC-L provided me with info) for BOC, and there's plenty of info on the Brain Surgeons, including where to write to get on their mailing list. You should have gotten info on the BOC-L archives when you subscribed, and the FAQ is in the archives. If you have a web browser, go to the following URL at your earliest convinience: ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l/boc_faq-2_1.txt You will find that many on this list have sampled the music of the Brain Surgeons (and some of us have had the privelege of seeing them live, not to mention meeting them in person), and while I don't claim to speak for everyone, most of us like it ALOT. It's heavy, diverse, and has both a modern and "classic rock" sound to it. If you happen to be in New York City this weekend, you can see them live at a place called the Rodeo Bar in Manhattan - Saturday November 23rd. It's going to be a sort of CD release party for their upcoming CD *Box of Hammers* (their other 2 CDs are entitled *Eponymous* and *Trepanation*). Welcome aboard, John Swartz From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Nov 21 13:15:17 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:15:17 +0100 Subject: BOTH: Microsoft Plus! Themes for Windows 95 Message-ID: At 14:48 1996-11-21 GMT, you wrote: >On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Craig Shipley wrote: > >>does anyone know of a theme-pack that would be >>appropriate for HW and/or BOC? > >I've got some UFO-related animated cursors. Any suggestions for >system colors or other cursor designs? what about the BOC symbol... >Jean Lansford >lansford at vnet.net \\joe From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Thu Nov 21 13:25:57 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 12:25:57 -0600 Subject: BOTH: Microsoft Plus! Themes for Windows 95 In-Reply-To: <3291fee0.447706@email2.vnet.net> from "Jean Lansford" at Nov 21, 96 02:48:56 pm Message-ID: > >does anyone know of a theme-pack that would be > >appropriate for HW and/or BOC? > > I've got some UFO-related animated cursors. Any suggestions for > system colors or other cursor designs? > > Jean Lansford How about a stage with light show for the internet icon. (cause "all the world's a ...") -- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." - Albert Einstein Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6982 From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Nov 21 14:56:15 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:56:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Space rock from London Message-ID: Hi there >AFAIK, the date on >the disc is neither the date of the gig nor the broadcast date. Over to >Bernard for more info on this... The gig was played on 28.09.1972 at the Paris Cinema in London Bernhard From mpower at FCMC.COM Thu Nov 21 17:12:58 1996 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:12:58 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > > Marc asks: > [ newbie request for info deleted] > > Well...he asked for it .... ;-) > [ great answers to my questions deleted ] > If you happen to be in New York City this weekend, you can see them live > at a place called the Rodeo Bar in Manhattan - Saturday November 23rd. > It's going to be a sort of CD release party for their upcoming CD *Box > of Hammers* (their other 2 CDs are entitled *Eponymous* and *Trepanation*). > > Welcome aboard, > John Swartz Thanks John, I will be in Manhattan on Saturday, so I just might pop along and check them out. Cheers! Marc Power [Born to Go] From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Nov 21 18:53:34 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:53:34 -0700 Subject: BOC; New Year's Show!! In-Reply-To: <199611211814.NAA25610@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: BOC/HW People; I was just notified from some people on AOL that the following show has been confirmed; BLUE OYSTER CULT & KANSAS Dec 31st 1996 Union Station, Indianapolis, Indiana. Don't know who will headline, probally Kansas, as this was the case this past summer. Anybody going? Anybody know how long it will take to drive from Albuquerque to Indianapolis? Just curious... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From Mondello1 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 21 20:26:01 1996 From: Mondello1 at AOL.COM (Steven Defoe) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:26:01 -0500 Subject: BOC Remastered? Message-ID: Hello, I'm new to the list, this is my first post - been a BOC fan since Tyranny came out, with a question - I'm looking at an attractively priced 3 cd set of the 1st 3 BOC albums ($19) - but - does anybody know if there are plans to released these in "remastered" form. It seems to be all the rage lately and I'd like to get the best sound possible - is this special deal just Columbia dumping the old stock before introducing the new? If so, I'll wait - if not, I'll buy! Thanks for your advice Steven Defoe From chip at PCC.COM Thu Nov 21 13:02:01 1996 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:02:01 -0500 Subject: Box of Hammers! In-Reply-To: <199611211617.LAA07890@blues.fcmc.com> from "Marc Power Technology" at Nov 21, 96 11:17:46 am Message-ID: Sitting here in my CD player. Worth the wait. More details/opinion to follow. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Nov 21 21:33:10 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig A. Shipley) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:33:10 -0500 Subject: BOC Remastered? Message-ID: Nope, not remastered, just repackaged, sorry... Along the same line, I saw a German "Best Of" at Best Buys titled something like "The Reaper". It has a version of "White Flags" onnit, could this be the rare (faded/ non-faded? Which is the rare one) version that everyone has wanted to hear? I didn't buy it, as there are no previously un-issued tracks on it. objCDPlayer: Pink Floyd /Meddle Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Steven Defoe[SMTP:Mondello1 at AOL.COM] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 1996 8:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC Remastered? Hello, I'm new to the list, this is my first post - been a BOC fan since Tyranny came out, with a question - I'm looking at an attractively priced 3 cd set of the 1st 3 BOC albums ($19) - but - does anybody know if there are plans to released these in "remastered" form. It seems to be all the rage lately and I'd like to get the best sound possible - is this special deal just Columbia dumping the old stock before introducing the new? If so, I'll wait - if not, I'll buy! Thanks for your advice Steven Defoe From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Fri Nov 22 04:40:20 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:40:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Scream Thy Last Scream Message-ID: > "Scream Thy Last Scream" Floyd *with* Barrett Tell me more Jon! What's this?? Christian From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 22 04:54:50 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:54:50 +0000 Subject: OFF: Scream Thy Last Scream In-Reply-To: <199611220940.KAA27786@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: In message <199611220940.KAA27786 at kirov.eunet.no>, Christian Mumford writes >> "Scream Thy Last Scream" Floyd *with* Barrett > >Tell me more Jon! What's this?? > >Christian One of the last songs Floyd recorded before Syd's exit, it's one of those semi-legendary never released tracks. I have always been led to believe it was unlistenable, just 10 mins of Syd screaming, and that was why it was never released. *But* it's not! OK, so Syd by this stage has "crossed the line" as it were, but this tracks as good as anything off the solo albums or Saucerful of Secrets, and I'm amazed I've never heard it before. Now I'm wondering if there's a copy of "Have You Got It Yet?" out there in rarity-land, and maybe *that* wasn't the rubbish we've been led to believe. -- Jon Browne From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Fri Nov 22 05:40:05 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:40:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Scream Thy Last Scream Message-ID: >In message <199611220940.KAA27786 at kirov.eunet.no>, Christian Mumford > writes >>> "Scream Thy Last Scream" Floyd *with* Barrett >> >>Tell me more Jon! What's this?? >> >>Christian >One of the last songs Floyd recorded before Syd's exit, it's one of >those semi-legendary never released tracks. I have always been led to >believe it was unlistenable, just 10 mins of Syd screaming, and that was >why it was never released. *But* it's not! OK, so Syd by this stage has >"crossed the line" as it were, but this tracks as good as anything off >the solo albums or Saucerful of Secrets, and I'm amazed I've never heard >it before. Now I'm wondering if there's a copy of "Have You Got It Yet?" >out there in rarity-land, and maybe *that* wasn't the rubbish we've been >led to believe. >-- >Jon Browne > > Is Psychedelic Dungeon a compilation or a bootleg?? I need another Syd fix! Christian From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 22 07:56:43 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 07:56:43 -0500 Subject: Box of Hammers! Message-ID: Ah, Chip ya beat me to it! I was listening to a tBS tape in my car on the way home -- must've been good kharma or something 'cuz there in my mailbox was a *Box of Hammers* waiting for me. I've spun it through once, and will jot down some more impressions as I spin it again this morning - my thoughts to follow later today. Chip's right though - worth the wait. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 22 08:06:15 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:06:15 -0500 Subject: BOC Remastered? Message-ID: Craig is correct - the 3 CD set of the 1st 3 albums is just a repackaging, no re-mastering. If you don't have the albums yet, this may be a way to get them cheaper than individually, but if you already have them, this is nothing new. Craig also queries about the German compilation CD *The Reaper - Best of*. I have this CD, and prior to *Workshop of the Telescopes*, it was the best BOC compilation out there (but a European release, so not readily available in the U.S.). It has the faded-out version of "White Flags", so it's not the "rare" one. On a side-note to that, other than the fact that the non-fadeout version of "White Flags" doesn't fade-out, there really is nothing else extraordinary about the track. It's just that some of us collectors have to have everything... Anyways, there's really nothing new on the *Reaper - Best of* although there is presumably a bit of remastering/noise-reduction on about 6 of the tracks, but nothing that really caught my ears as being a major improvement. Also, due I believe to the length of music on the CD (aproaching 77 minutes I belive), the last song (In the Presence of Another World) is cut off before the final "Your Master" section - it ends with Eric singing "There is no emptiness..." and the guitar picking coming to as stop - the song has a natural pause there that on *Imaginos* picks up with the choral singing "Your -- Ma -- ster...", but the track on this compilation cuts off before you get to that part (it's done in a way that if you didn't know the song, you probably wouldn't suspect this was an edit). John From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 22 09:34:04 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:34:04 GMT Subject: latest codex and discography available Message-ID: Revision 2.3 of the codex and revision 36 of the discography are now available. Does anyone want to put them somewhere they can be downloaded? The updates cover the Love In Space album and bootlegs up to the release of Corridor of Flame. A couple of amendments have also been made to the codex. Cheers FoFP From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Nov 22 09:43:43 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:43:43 -0500 Subject: latest codex and discography available In-Reply-To: <9611221434.aa23943@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, M Holmes wrote: > Revision 2.3 of the codex and revision 36 of the discography are now > available. Does anyone want to put them somewhere they can be > downloaded? > > The updates cover the Love In Space album and bootlegs up to the release > of Corridor of Flame. A couple of amendments have also been made to the codex. I am willing to put them up on our anonymous ftp site at csgrad.cs.vt.edu. Cheers, Paul. obAnticipatedCD: The Brain Surgeons, _Box of Hammers_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK Fri Nov 22 10:53:50 1996 From: PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK (THE CIDER KING) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:53:50 GMT Subject: BOC - What kind of Reaper version? Message-ID: Hi there, I've been trying to get my hands on a twelve inch of Astronomy (single from Imaginos version) and I know that there's a version of DFTR on it. Is this version like Astronomy a re-recording or is it the old single version of '76? Not that it really matters because I want to get my ears to the 'Wild Mix' of Astronomy, but it woul dbe nice to get a new version of the Reaper. Cheers, Martin "When the party's over, it's all over" PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 22 10:58:41 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:58:41 -0500 Subject: BRAIN, BOC: My *Box Of Hammers* Review Message-ID: O.K., I've got *Box Of Hammers* spinning on my CD player for the second time. I had jotted down some notes after the first time I spun it, but alas, I misplaced them, so I'll have to see if the second spin evokes some of the same thoughts. Before reviewing the individual tracks, a few words about the production. Another cool cover by Steve Brodner. The back of the CD looks ALOT like the back of *Trepanation* (same colors, fonts, and layout scheme), although there is a different photo (this one a group shot of the band - the liner notes also have a few shots of the band in the studio - I assume the guy behind the mixing board is Paul Special?). I was a bit disappointed to find no lyrics printed in the liner notes, but there is a note that they can be found at tBS web site (note: the liner notes use the acronym "tBS" so I guess BOC-L has struck again!!) - I haven't checked it in the past few week but I assume Tania will be putting lyrics there (if they aren't already). 1. Saint Vitus Dance - one of my favorite tracks on the album, I got the privilege of hearing it live in Boston this past June. A heavy but bouncy rocker, with a nice thick guitar sound (hey Al, what are those little backward vocal effects at the very beginning of the song?). This song definitely sets the tone of the album (much in the way "Gimme Nothin'" did on *Trepanation*) - heavy and light, thick but intricate, and charting new musical ground. Deb's vocals sound great on this one - very dynamic. 2. Locked Up - Almost a country/folk intro to this tune. Don't know if I'd call this a slow rocker or a fast ballad. Deb whispers the vocals to the verses (which sounds really cool right now as I listen to the CD through headphones). Some interesting chord progressions during the break, and some nice layered vocals throughout. Nice. 3. Gun - starts off with a nice driving bass line to set the mood. This song just pumps along with some heavy rockin' vocals from Deb. Nice heavy guitars and a driving beat to this -- listening to it now, it's hard for me to believe that BOC didn't put this on an album back in the 70s when Joe Bouchard demoed it (on more than one occasion I believe). This would have been a killer BOC tune, and I'll be it would suit tBS live set very well. 4. I'm On Fire - A somewhat smoother more rounded take on this Dwight Twilley tune. Deb's vocals are very soulful here, and the overall instrument-ation is light and bouncy. 5. 'Lil Egypt - A cool number. Starts with some fairly heavy guitars, then slips into an odd time signature (you guys been listening to alot of Rush lately or something?) with a climbing bassline and some guitar work that just makes me think of, well Egypt. Very hypnotic. 6. Earthquake Boogie - A slow groove that moves. Sort of bluesy, sort of funky, some cool vocals (I assume that's Jack Secret going "Earthquake Boogie..." during the verses?), and a little "earthquake" on the drums at the end of the song. Cool. 7. Donkey Show - A slow rocker with some cool instrumentation and vocals by...Pete Bohovesky! Hey, this guy can sing! He has a nice smooth rounded sort of vocal tone - very sweet. The only thing I had hear him sing previous was his now-imfamous "Christmas Song" in Boston, where he sounded more like "Weird Al" Yankovic (which was appropriate for the song he was doing). But this - hey, this guy can do more than shred a fruit guitar. Anyway, back to the song (which Pete also wrote). There are some lyrics in both English and Spanish (with some "hee haw"s from Al). Some cool guitar sounds during the bridge. A very nice sounding song, but the lyrics? Very wacky ("twice the width and twice the girth - at least four times the gravy"? - oh my) - I'm not sure I wanna know what inspired Pete to write this, but still I like this song alot. 8. Date With A Guitar - The other song I got to hear in Boston in June. The best way I can think to describe this song is "grunge-blues". Some crunchy guitars, soulful vocals, and an almost danceable slow rhythm. "Is everybody happy?" 9. End In Tears - An almost country-esque ballad. Some nice sax work and vocals that give it a slight jazzy edge during the chorus. 10. Tender Was The Night - Some heavily-flanged guitars, a funky bass line, and Al's first lead vocal appearance on the album. Some nice harmonies provided by I believe Pete Bohovesky. This song bounces right along nicely. 11. Operation Luv - A hard-driving, almost punky number (except that the bassline moves around to much to call the tune punk). Like "Ramblin' Rose" on *Trepanation*, this sounds like the band just cutting loose and having alot of fun. Hold on and enjoy the ride. 12. Laura's Plastic Swords - A slow tune during the verses, with Al (I think - the vocals sound like Al, but much smoother in tone than usual) doing the verses, and Deb doing the chorus (which is a bit more uptempo -- and somehow reminds me of a portion of the Soft White Underbelly tune "Rational Passionale"). Another almost hypnotic tune. 13. Casa Del Sol - little thunderstorm sound effect at the beginning (made me instantly think of the first Black Sabbath album), then some haunting guitars (that made me think a bit of the intro to BOC's "Nosferatu") leading into this power folk-rock ballad by Deb. 14. Overture - Hmm... the piano intro sounds a bit familiar on this instrumental number. Is it? Oh my God, it is! As I listened to this, I wanted to cry, and I wanted to laugh at the same time (and almost needed that change of underwear that Al had warned us about). I don't want to give too much away right now, although I may later. But for now, all I'll say is Thank You Al for putting this bit on the album. Some will think it's just a cool instrumental -- others will know otherwise... Just one question - there's only one vocal line in the whole song, and I'm not sure I can make it out -- are you saying "Cappucino"? "Al Pacino"? "Cup o' Cheetos?" ;-) Overall, I'm very impressed with this album - it's definitely the slickest production by tBS so far, and further expands the musical territories charted by *Eponymous* and *Trepanation*. It was hard enough to try and classify the band's music before because of the wide range of styles covered -- it's even harder now. Most of the tunes are more intricate than on the previous 2 albums - more guitar picking (as opposed to chords), complex rhythms, and layering of vocals and instrumentation. The bass work on this album in particular stands out - the bass is a bit more up front in the mix (as a bassplayer, I gotta love that), and moves much more (lots of walking bass lines) - while I was able to learn much of the bass parts on *Eponymous* and *Trepanation*, I'm not sure I'm going to be as successful with *Box Of Hammers*. As far as my personal tastes go, I think I like the heavy crunch of *Trepanation* better overall than *Box Of Hammers*. Not because it is somehow "better", but because that happens to be more of the type of stuff I like to listen to. It's a bit more "in your face", demanding your attention. *Box Of Hammers* is more sophisticated - something that will no doubt grow on me over time. The best comparison that I can think of between *Trepanation* and *Box Of Hammers* overall is that while *Trepanation* makes me want to bang my head, *Box Of Hammers* makes me want to move my feet. Having said that, it's time to give this CD another spin - and savor another listen. Hmm . . . maybe if you think of *Trepanation* as a glass of good beer, then *Box Of Hammers* is more like a glass of fine wine. Either way, I'm getting an awfully good buzz right now... ORDER YOURS TODAY!! John From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Nov 22 11:31:30 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:31:30 -0500 Subject: HW: ftp site for latest codex and discography Message-ID: Mike has now uploaded the latest version of the Hawkwind discography and Codex to csgrad.cs.vt.edu, where it may be obtained via anonymous ftp. To do so, ftp to csgrad.cs.vt.edu (128.173.41.41) and enter "anonymous" when prompted for your "Name", and enter your e-mail address when asked for your "Password:". Then, go to the /pub/boc-l directory to get to the area where the codex and discography files are. With most ftp programs, you can do this using "cd /pub/boc-l". The Codex is in the file "hw_codex" and the discography in "hw_discography". Most ftp software uses the "get" command to download files, e.g. to get a copy of the discography you'd use "get hw_discography". These are plain ASCII files, so set your transfer mode to ASCII before fetching them. These files can also be accessed via WWW browsers. The relevant URLs are: ftp://csgrad.cs.vt.edu/pub/boc-l/hw_codex ftp://csgrad.cs.vt.edu/pub/boc-l/hw_discography Cheers, Paul. obCD: Hawkwind, _Hall of the Mountain Grill_ (remastered) e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 22 12:23:13 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:23:13 GMT Subject: Elric the Enchanter Message-ID: Checking the Codex I found: Elric The Enchanter 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword Elric The Enchanter Part 1 L 2 Live Chronicles [single CD] {narration} L 2 Live Chronicles [2CD set] * narration Elric The Enchanter Part 2 L 1 Live Chronicles There seems to be some confusion on Elric The Enchanter Part 1 in that a version 2 is listed but no version 1. Is there a missing version? Are the two versions listed as (2) identical? Let's hear it from the Live Chronicles experts... FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 22 13:16:03 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:16:03 -0500 Subject: BOC - What kind of Reaper version? Message-ID: Martin writes: >I've been trying to get my hands on a twelve inch of Astronomy (single from Imaginos version) and I know that there's a version of DFTR on it. Is this version like Astronomy a re-recording or is it the old single version of '76? Not that it really matters because I want to get my ears to the 'Wild Mix' of Astronomy, but it woul dbe nice to get a new version of the Reaper. Well, first of all, I suspect that it's the '76 version. I've got a UK CD single of "Astronomy" and that version of "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" is the *Agents Of Fortune* version. According to my info, though, the "Astronomy" single with the "Wild Mix" is a single with "Magna of Illusion", and does NOT have "The Reaper" on it. There were *2* 12" singles of "Astronomy" released, both in the UK. One has the album (Imaginos) version of "Astronomy", "Magna of Illusion", and "The Reaper" (this also came out on a UK CD single, which I have). The other version has "Astronomy - wild mix" (with and without the Stephen King intro), and "Magna of Illusion". Personally, I've never heard the "wild mix" released by CBS. I've been told it has more of Albert's original vocals. John From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Nov 22 13:41:03 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:41:03 -0500 Subject: Elric the Enchanter Message-ID: >Checking the Codex I found: > > >There seems to be some confusion on Elric The Enchanter Part 1 in that a >version 2 is listed but no version 1. Is there a missing version? Are >the two versions listed as (2) identical? Let's hear it from the Live >Chronicles experts... Yes, the 2(2)'s are identical. On the studio album, a track named "Elric the Enchanter" was basically two songs strung together. They differ musically and in lyrical structuring. On the live albums, the second part is placed seperately by itself. The first part has some of its lyrics read as narration but without the music earlier in the album. The Codex is accurate. From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Fri Nov 22 15:01:20 1996 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:01:20 E Subject: OFF: Scream Thy Last Scream Message-ID: Christian, There was never a recording of "Have you got it yet" because ... The rest of the Floyd couldn't get it!!! On "Tonight lets all make love in London" soundtrack there is a killer version of Interstellar Overdrive and a rare track called "Nick's Boogie". Other cool early Floyd stuff include "Stoned Alone" "Singing a song in the morning" which is Syd and Kevin Ayers (of Soft Machine) "Rust in a Million" There is also a boot 7" of Astronomy Domine b/w King Bee and Lucy Leave two r&b covers. I have a bunch of Barrett/Floyd Boots live stuff from 66-67, And a few videos One is a legal release "Pinkfloyd 67-68" including live clips from the UFO doing the songs from TLAMLIL And of course "Syd's Trip" 15 min of home video of Syd and his friends on his first Acid trip; the original was silent, my copy had early Floyd songs dubbed in including "Scream thy last..." "Lucy Leave" "KIng bee" Astronomy Domine and one or two others.. Don't forget about the ultimate self descriptive track "Vegetable Man". There was a tribute album called "Beyond the Wildwood- A Tribute to Syd Barrett" There's lots of it out there you just have to hunt it down, If your looking for somthing specific I might be able to help you.... cheers bryan pitkin at ac.marywood.edu From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Fri Nov 22 16:01:16 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 21:01:16 GMT Subject: OFF: Scream Thy Last Scream Message-ID: >One of the last songs Floyd recorded before Syd's exit, it's one of >those semi-legendary never released tracks. I have always been led to >believe it was unlistenable, just 10 mins of Syd screaming, and that was >why it was never released. The Thanes do a great version of this song on the Barret tribute album... that's the only version I've heard. I'd love to hear the original. Speaking of the Thanes, I'm off to Lenny's wild psychedelic club tonight, and in an attempt to mention two legendary wildmen of psych (or even three?!) in a Hawkwind list, I'm arming myself with a video full of great Roky Erickson stuff that's sure to put a smile on the face of the Grand Thane! From jguizar at EPIX.NET Fri Nov 22 16:42:10 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:42:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream Message-ID: This may be of interest to BOC/HW. I heard the other day that Tangerine Dream is going to be doing a live concert over the internet on Nov. 30. You needed special software to view it - I forget who made the SW. I don't know how good it'll be, but it might be something HW or BOC could do (broadcast over the internet). Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK Fri Nov 22 17:08:25 1996 From: PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK (THE CIDER KING) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 22:08:25 GMT Subject: BOC - What kind of Reaper version? Message-ID: Thanks John, It seems that I've got the 12" mixed up then! Oh well tah for the info. Well I'd certainly like to get hold of the Stephen King intro, so I think this'll be the version that'll I'll be looking to get my grubby little mits upon! Oh btw a friend of mine has got a copy of the Astronomy (Imaginos) video that apparently he copied off the tv at some point in the past. is it any good (he is holding out for money for the tape - my natural inclination says yes, butI just thought I'd ask, just in case it's a dog of a vid!). Cheers, Martin "When the party's over, it's all over" PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Nov 22 17:04:46 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:04:46 -0600 Subject: Brain: Box Of Hammers Message-ID: I got my copy of Box of Hammers last night and I finally got a chance to listen to it today. It is quite a good album, IMHO. In brief, the sound is very clean and the songs are great. There is even a pointer to the Brain Surgeons www page (http://www.NovPapyrus.com/bs/) and a mention of boc-l in the "Thanks:" section. My kudos to Al, Deb, and the rest of the band! Frank ObCD: A Brief History of Ambient, Vol. 1, which contains "The Forge of Vulcan" and "Life Form" from Hawkwind. -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 The meek shall inherit the earth -- the rest of us will move on. From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Nov 22 17:43:29 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:43:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Covers.... I wish! Message-ID: On 21-NOV-1996 09:54:16.9 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >I just saw Laibach last night, and seeing as they have a reportoire of >warped cover songs it just occured to me that they could do a reeal >scary version of Master of The Universe!! Here's my silly little fantasy >list of what bands/people (active or not) could do cool versions of >Hawkwind songs.... >Master of The Universe - Laibach >Urban Guerilla - Germs >Rocky Paths - Donovan >Spirit of the Age - Devo >Magnu - Angels of Death - Bolt Thrower >Seeing It as You Really Are - Jimi Hendrix >Uncle Sam's On Mars - Dead Kennedys Totally agree on this one. When I first heard this, I realized how much Jello Biafra must have been influenced by Calvert... >LSD - Ozric Tentacles >You Shouldn't Do That - Orb >Oh well, I'm running out of imagination..... >Christian Chuck `[1;37;41mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Nov 22 18:02:30 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig A. Shipley) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:02:30 -0500 Subject: Tangerine Dream Message-ID: Well, considering that it is the new version of Tangerine Dream, It probably won't be too good at all... Time was that I would have killed to hear this, now I just don't care about the new TD at all. Sad... But if anyone is real interested in "attending" this concert, a perusal of the official TD WWW page would probably point them in the right direction as far as the time and the s/w needed. I've forgotten what the WWW address is, so, go fish... Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Jerry Guizar[SMTP:jguizar at EPIX.NET] Sent: Friday, November 22, 1996 4:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream This may be of interest to BOC/HW. I heard the other day that Tangerine Dream is going to be doing a live concert over the internet on Nov. 30. You needed special software to view it - I forget who made the SW. I don't know how good it'll be, but it might be something HW or BOC could do (broadcast over the internet). Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 22 20:05:56 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 20:05:56 -0500 Subject: BOC - What kind of Reaper version? Message-ID: >Oh btw a friend of mine has got a copy of the Astronomy (Imaginos) video that apparently he copied off the tv at some point in the past. This was only released in the U.K. If you're into the meanings behind the story of *Imaginos*, this video is really cool - lots of imagery. If you're looking for shots of the band playing, you won't find it here. Not alot of people have this, so if I were you, I'd get it. John PS: The Stephen King intro can also be found on a promo only U.S. CD release of "Astronomy" - 4 tracks on the CD, 2 w/intro, 2 without -- 2 of the tracks are the album version, and 2 are a shortened version. From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Fri Nov 22 20:09:20 1996 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 20:09:20 -0500 Subject: Tangerine Dream Message-ID: At 06:02 PM 11/22/96 -0500, you wrote: >Well, considering that it is the new version of Tangerine Dream, It probably won't be too good at all... Yes, such a tragedy, that. TD used to be one of the few bands legitimately on the cutting edge of music, but they are only a grotesque parody of their former selves now. They have intentionally placed themselves in the same category as Yanni and John Tesh. Their earlier material bears no resemblance to the crap they now produce. I've spent years hoping they would get back on course, but I think I have to conclude that they are simply a lost cause and have been for a number of years. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Nov 17 00:42:00 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:42:00 +1100 Subject: OFF: Scream Thy Last Scream Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > > >In message <199611220940.KAA27786 at kirov.eunet.no>, Christian Mumford > > writes > >>> "Scream Thy Last Scream" Floyd *with* Barrett > >> > >>Tell me more Jon! What's this?? > >> > >>Christian > >One of the last songs Floyd recorded before Syd's exit, it's one of > >those semi-legendary never released tracks. I have always been led to > >believe it was unlistenable, just 10 mins of Syd screaming, and that was > >why it was never released. *But* it's not! OK, so Syd by this stage has > >"crossed the line" as it were, but this tracks as good as anything off > >the solo albums or Saucerful of Secrets, and I'm amazed I've never heard > >it before. Now I'm wondering if there's a copy of "Have You Got It Yet?" > >out there in rarity-land, and maybe *that* wasn't the rubbish we've been > >led to believe. > >-- > >Jon Browne > > > > > > Is Psychedelic Dungeon a compilation or a bootleg?? I need another Syd fix! > > Christian Bootleg it be! Ah-ha me maytey! -cough- If you don't have it yet, get Magnesium Proverbs, which is the classic Syd bootleg. On the rare Syd song front - there's still no "Have you got it yet?" available, as this was just a little Syd-joke, but there may be "Bob Dylan Blues", "Rooftop Garden Missing the Point", "Rammadan" and a couple of others still in the vaults somewhere. -Max Wilcox From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Nov 17 00:47:22 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:47:22 +1100 Subject: BOC in Computer Game Message-ID: I'm more of an early BOC (Particularly /w Moorcock), dem Bongo Ponys, but I was wanting to know which album was used in the computer game somebody made recently called "Ripper", as I don't mind that stuff, from what I've heard of it, and it may just influence me into getting some more. So which album is it? Thanks muchly, -Max Wilcox From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Nov 23 02:35:49 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 02:35:49 -0500 Subject: BOC in Computer Game Message-ID: >I'm more of an early BOC (Particularly /w Moorcock), dem Bongo Ponys, >but I was wanting to know which album was used in the computer game >somebody made recently called "Ripper", as I don't mind that stuff, from >what I've heard of it, and it may just influence me into getting some >more. So which album is it? > Thanks muchly, Overall I'd call the Moorcock stuff middle BOC, not early. Ripper featured only one BOC track, DFTR (from Agenst of Fortune, of course). Any other music you hear in the game was done by somebody else. From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Sat Nov 23 06:32:59 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:32:59 GMT Subject: OFF: Elric film Message-ID: A mate of mine was at a book signing in Guildford with Mike Moorcock recently. MM, after the signing, did a short talk. It turns out he has had several offers to do an Elric film, to which he was enthusastic, until they told him who was to play Elric.....Brad Pitt !!! MM immediatly withdrew support for thw whole project, which has since fallen through. Blimey ! Holloywood, they sure have some strange ideas for casting. Anyone got any better ideas for the role ? (We know which 2 bands should do the soundtrack !) Neil. From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Nov 23 04:59:24 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:59:24 +1100 Subject: latest codex and discography available Message-ID: On 22 Nov 96 at 14:34, M Holmes wrote: > Revision 2.3 of the codex and revision 36 of the discography are now > available. Does anyone want to put them somewhere they can be > downloaded? Hi Mike, Send 'em on ...... Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sat Nov 23 07:35:18 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 04:35:18 -0800 Subject: OFF: Elric film Message-ID: At 11:32 AM 11/23/96 GMT, you wrote: >A mate of mine was at a book signing in Guildford with Mike Moorcock recently. > >MM, after the signing, did a short talk. It turns out he has had several offers to do an Elric film, to which he was enthusastic, until they told him who was to play Elric.....Brad Pitt !!! MM immediatly withdrew support for thw whole project, which has since fallen through. > >Blimey ! Holloywood, they sure have some strange ideas for casting. > >Anyone got any better ideas for the role ? (We know which 2 bands should do the soundtrack !) He's too old now but Jonny Winter would've been good.. He has actually done some acting too.. (I forget.. a small part in some action flick..) _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "What ever you do, | | < *http://www2.connectnet.com/~jbrooks | take care of your |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | shoes" -- Phish From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Sat Nov 23 08:17:35 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Clore (NO JUNK E-EMAIL)) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 05:17:35 -0800 Subject: BOC: Balthazar Message-ID: Well, Balthazar, just what is that "awful truth"? The old Christmas carol "We Three Kings" might give the answer. Balthazar's part goes as follows: "Myrrh is mine; its bitter perfume / Breathes a life of gathering gloom; / Sorr'wing, sighing, bleeding, dying, / Seal'd in the stone-cold tomb." Seems Balthazar wasn't as optimistic as his two friends-- Dan Clore. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Nov 23 09:53:29 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:53:29 GMT Subject: OFF: Scream Thy Last Scream Message-ID: On fre 22 nov 1996 15.01 "Bryan Pitkin" wrote: > On "Tonight lets all make > love in London" soundtrack there is a killer version of Interstellar > Overdrive and a rare track called "Nick's Boogie". These two tracks also exist on a legal CD EP called _London '66-'67_. Quite good fun :) First few times I listened to them they didn't make much sense, but they have been growing on me quite a bit. Cheers, Carl From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Nov 23 10:13:56 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 23:13:56 +0800 Subject: Tangerine Dream Message-ID: Craig A. Shipley wrote: > > Well, considering that it is the new version of Tangerine Dream, It probably won't be too good at all... > Time was that I would have killed to hear this, now I just don't care about the new TD at all. Sad... > > But if anyone is real interested in "attending" this concert, a perusal of the official TD WWW page would probably point them in the right direction as far as the time and the s/w needed. I've forgotten what the WWW address is, so, go fish... > > Craig Shipley > craigs at pyramid.com > > ---------- > From: Jerry Guizar[SMTP:jguizar at EPIX.NET] > Sent: Friday, November 22, 1996 4:42 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream > > This may be of interest to BOC/HW. I heard the other day that > Tangerine Dream is going to be doing a live concert over the internet on > Nov. 30. You needed special software to view it - > I forget who made the SW. > > I don't know how good it'll be, but it might be something HW or BOC > could do (broadcast over the internet). I read an interview with Christopher Franke (ex-member for those unaware), where he says that the reason he left the band was because Edgar Froese was no longer interested in doing long pieces, and wanted to do shorter, commercial tracks. Christopher Franke believes that by limiting the music to shorter pieces removed all the experimentation and dramatic content from their music. Anyone else noticed how ex-members sound more like TD than TD do??? William From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Nov 23 10:38:32 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:38:32 GMT Subject: OFF: Elric film Message-ID: On l?r 23 nov 1996 11.32 wrote: > MM, after the signing, did a short talk. It turns out he has had several > offers to do an Elric film, to which he was enthusastic, until they told > him who was to play Elric.....Brad Pitt !!! MM immediatly withdrew support > for thw whole project, which has since fallen through. > > Anyone got any better ideas for the role ? (We know which 2 bands should > do the soundtrack !) For some reason I think we need a time machine to get a young Tim Curry :) Failing that ... I dunno! Is Johnny Depp young enough? Actually, I can't remember anything about him, now that I think of it ... Cheers, Carl ObCD: _Imaginos_ From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Nov 23 10:43:08 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 23:43:08 +0800 Subject: OFF: Elric film Message-ID: Joseph Brooks wrote: > > At 11:32 AM 11/23/96 GMT, you wrote: > >A mate of mine was at a book signing in Guildford with Mike Moorcock recently. > > > >MM, after the signing, did a short talk. It turns out he has had several > offers to do an Elric film, to which he was enthusastic, until they told him > who was to play Elric.....Brad Pitt !!! MM immediatly withdrew support for > thw whole project, which has since fallen through. > > > >Blimey ! Holloywood, they sure have some strange ideas for casting. > > > >Anyone got any better ideas for the role ? (We know which 2 bands should do > the soundtrack !) > > He's too old now but Jonny Winter would've been good.. He has actually done > some acting too.. (I forget.. a small part in some action flick..) > Your right. He would have been an interesting choice. Others that could have if they were younger include Jeremy Irons, who has the build and the look of someone constantly under medication of some kind, as well as Nigel Havers, who also has the build, and is a better actor. However, they probably would rather have someone in their 20's for the role, who looks muscular and tough, which is not what the character is meant to be. I believe MM's choice for the role, when he originally created the character, would have been Christopher Lee. Therefore, the ideal choice would have to be someone of that stature! William From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sat Nov 23 14:59:07 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:59:07 -0500 Subject: Tangerine Dream In-Reply-To: <01BBD89F.5A12C5C0@dynamic-2.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: In <01BBD89F.5A12C5C0 at dynamic-2.async.pyramid.com>, on 11/22/96 at 06:02 PM, "Craig A. Shipley" said: >Well, considering that it is the new version of Tangerine Dream, It >probably won't be too good at all... Time was that I would have killed to >hear this, now I just don't care about the new TD at all. Sad... I like the TD that was playing in the 70's - early 80's. The last CD I bought kind of sucked. I think it was called Private Music Of. I was hoping for something like _Ricochet_. >But if anyone is real interested in "attending" this concert, a perusal >of the official TD WWW page would probably point them in the right >direction as far as the time and the s/w needed. I've forgotten what the >WWW address is, so, go fish... I won't be watching, but I was curious about how it would look and sound over a 28.8K connection. >---------- >From: Jerry Guizar[SMTP:jguizar at EPIX.NET] >Sent: Friday, November 22, 1996 4:42 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream > This may be of interest to BOC/HW. I heard the other day that >Tangerine Dream is going to be doing a live concert over the internet on >Nov. 30. You needed special software to view it - >I forget who made the SW. > I don't know how good it'll be, but it might be something HW or BOC >could do (broadcast over the internet). Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sat Nov 23 15:02:46 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:02:46 -0500 Subject: Tangerine Dream In-Reply-To: <329714B4.6D68@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: In <329714B4.6D68 at iinet.net.au>, on 11/23/96 at 11:13 PM, William Duffy said: >Anyone else noticed how ex-members sound more like TD than TD do??? I have to get my fix somewhere :) Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From pook at EMRL.COM Sat Nov 23 15:27:00 1996 From: pook at EMRL.COM (Colin Michael Davis) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 12:27:00 -0800 Subject: OFF: Elric film In-Reply-To: <32971B8B.386D@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM wrote: :Anyone got any better ideas for the role ? (We know which 2 bands should :do the soundtrack !) Hmmm. For the role of Elric, I think Daniel Day-Lewis would work wonders, though convincing him might be a pain. Julian Sands would also be quite nice, especially considering he has the necessary cheekbones and a reasonably pale complexion to begin with - less time spent making him up. Just bleach the hair, powder him down, pop in some red contacts, and *presto!* As for the soundtrack and score... :) Well, of *course* B.O.C. and Hawkwind should be present in quantity. But who else would you solicit for music? Me, I was thinking Loreena McKennitt for some haunting, ethereal Celtic-flavored instrumenals. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Nov 23 16:30:32 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:30:32 GMT Subject: OFF: Elric film Message-ID: On l?r 23 nov 1996 12.27 "Colin Michael Davis" wrote: > As for the soundtrack and score... :) Well, of *course* B.O.C. and > Hawkwind should be present in quantity. But who else would you solicit > for music? Me, I was thinking Loreena McKennitt for some haunting, > ethereal Celtic-flavored instrumenals. Hmmm, I never thought of Elric as terribly Celtic though ... more Byzantine in feel, or some archaic Near Eastern kind of civilisation. Hawkwind manage to generate the appropriate eldritch feel though ... perhaps more with their current sound than ever ... bits of Alien 4 were really quite dark ... Cheers, Carl From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Nov 23 22:37:14 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 22:37:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: Elric film Message-ID: >shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM wrote: > :Anyone got any better ideas for the role ? (We know which 2 bands should > :do the soundtrack !) I'd hope MM would be involved in the production, that way he'd make sure they used the right bands. Waitaminute, he'd probably select Nikwind over Hawkwind....hmmmm..... I actually didn't think Brad Pitt was that bad a choice. I liked him in 12 monkeys, that convinced me he's a decent actor. I normally stay away from casting call threads, but here.... we'd need someone real wiry and thin... a younger David Carradine might've worked. Hmmmm Jackie Chan? From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sun Nov 24 00:14:48 1996 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 00:14:48 -0500 Subject: Diversion! Message-ID: Things have been sort of quiet at BOC-L, so I thought I'd propose a diversion. Everyone loves those kitschy top ten lists, so why don't we all send in our votes for the ten albums we would hope to have with us on an abandoned island, excluding albums by Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult. I think it'll be interesting to see what other bands people like besides HW and BOC. Here's my list (no particular order of preference): 1) Pale Saints: Mrs. Dolphin 2) Husker Du: Warehouse Songs and Stories 3) Thin White Rope: In The Spanish Cave 4) Cocteau Twins: Victorialand 5) Rush: Hemispheres 6) R.E.M.: Fables of the Reconstruction 7) Stereolab: Refried Ectoplasm 8) Guided By Voices: Alien Lanes 9) Dinosaur Jr.: You're Living All Over Me 10) Tangerine Dream: Encore how about you others? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sun Nov 24 01:03:55 1996 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 01:03:55 -0500 Subject: HW: RHCP swiping Orgone Accumulator? Message-ID: At 11:55 PM 11/20/96 +0800, you wrote: >> >> In message <199611201034.LAA12170 at kirov.eunet.no>, Christian Mumford >> writes >> >When I played 'Orgone Accumulator' for a rommate of mine once, he remarked >> >that Red Hot Chili Peppers must have lifted the funky bassline from this HW >> >song > This is just ignorant! Considering that "higher ground," is a Stevie Wonder song, how could Flea have lifted it from Hawkwind? Come on, it is a simple progression of E,G,A; I wonder which drummer lifted the idea of the kick being on the 1's and 3's and the snare being on the 2's and 4's; maybe he or she is a fan of hawkwind also. Perhaps Hawkwind are fans of Stevie Wonder... -Bryan(not john majka, but his fedup roommate) From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Sun Nov 24 01:06:48 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 22:06:48 -0800 Subject: OFF Re: Diversion! In-Reply-To: <199611240514.AAA20240@wcic.org> Message-ID: 1) Def Leppard - High and Dry 2) Judas Priest - Unleashed in the East 3) Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast 4) Pink Floyd - The Wall 5) Ministry - Psalm 69 6) Soundgarden - Superunknown 7) Led Zepplin III 8) Van Halen I 9) Machines of Loving Grace - Concentration 10) Glenn Miller - Chattanooga Choo Choo - The #1 Hits (I hate being predictable) - Passerby in Times Square On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, John Majka wrote: > Things have been sort of quiet at BOC-L, so I thought I'd propose a > diversion. Everyone loves those kitschy top ten lists, so why don't we all > send in our votes for the ten albums we would hope to have with us on an > abandoned island, excluding albums by Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult. I > think it'll be interesting to see what other bands people like besides HW > and BOC. Here's my list (no particular order of preference): > > 1) Pale Saints: Mrs. Dolphin > 2) Husker Du: Warehouse Songs and Stories > 3) Thin White Rope: In The Spanish Cave > 4) Cocteau Twins: Victorialand > 5) Rush: Hemispheres > 6) R.E.M.: Fables of the Reconstruction > 7) Stereolab: Refried Ectoplasm > 8) Guided By Voices: Alien Lanes > 9) Dinosaur Jr.: You're Living All Over Me > 10) Tangerine Dream: Encore > > how about you others? > John Majka > flossbac at wcic.org > From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Nov 24 02:36:50 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 02:36:50 -0500 Subject: Diversion! Message-ID: On 24-NOV-1996 00:16:25.8 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Things have been sort of quiet at BOC-L, so I thought I'd propose a >diversion. Everyone loves those kitschy top ten lists, so why don't >we all send in our votes for the ten albums we would hope to have with >us on an abandoned island, excluding albums by Hawkwind and Blue >Oyster Cult. I think it'll be interesting to see what other bands >people like besides HW and BOC. Here's my list (no particular order >of preference): >1) Pale Saints: Mrs. Dolphin >2) Husker Du: Warehouse Songs and Stories >3) Thin White Rope: In The Spanish Cave >4) Cocteau Twins: Victorialand >5) Rush: Hemispheres >6) R.E.M.: Fables of the Reconstruction >7) Stereolab: Refried Ectoplasm >8) Guided By Voices: Alien Lanes >9) Dinosaur Jr.: You're Living All Over Me >10) Tangerine Dream: Encore >how about you others? >John Majka >flossbac at wcic.org Good idea, though someone please change the header to OFF (I can't do it). This is, of course, if the bands HW and BOC (or spin-offs) didn't exist: 1.Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath 2.Slayer - Reign In Blood 3.Cream - Strange Brew: The Very Best Of Cream 4.Amon Duul II - Yeti 5.Gong - Est Mort 6.The Rugburns - Morning Wood 7.Bad Brains - Rock For Light 8.Uriah Heep - Demons & Wizards 9.The Tea Party - Edges Of Twilight 10.Manilla Road - The Deluge ("Isle Of The Dead" would be esp. gloomy) Chuck `[1;34;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Nov 24 04:34:14 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:34:14 UT Subject: Diversion! Message-ID: Oh Lord, no, this means we'll get hundreds of messages with no worthwhile content at all... this happened a year or two ago, and honestly, it was totally pointless. Unless you've got something interesting, and hopefully relevant, to say about any other bands, just use the "Ob" to mention them next time you post a topical message. Please. - Andy From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Nov 24 04:33:38 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:33:38 UT Subject: OFF: Elric film Message-ID: > I have only three things to say. Richard E. Grant. Maybe you never saw _Hudson Hawk_. What a feeble thread this is anyway, "let's all mention our favourite film stars" would be a better title... IM very cantankerous O, that is. - Andy From Hajo.Steffen at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Nov 25 04:24:00 1996 From: Hajo.Steffen at T-ONLINE.DE (Hajo Steffen) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:24:00 +0100 Subject: Original Line-up Message-ID: Hi List-members, could someone write some details about the last concert of B?C in original line-up? The second (boring) request: B?C-lyrics, where to find? Thank you for any hint Hajo hajo.steffen at t-online.de From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Sun Nov 24 08:39:20 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:39:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Diversion Message-ID: 1) Pink Floyd "The Wall" 2) Kansas "Leftoverture" 3) Dream Theater "Images & words" 4) Supertramp "Supertramp" 5) Babylon Zoo "The boy with the X-ray eyes" 6) Deep Purple "Purpendicular" 7) The Eagles "Hotel California" 8) Led Zeppelin "IV" 9) Toto "IV" 10) Foreigner "4" Hmm... are there a lot of "4"s there, or is it just me ? ;-) And I'm quite sure the list wouldn't be exactly the same if you asked me again in a week or two ! (though #1, 2, 7 and 8 would definitely still be there)... And hey, Andy, wouldn't you rather we talked about something then have the list stay silent ? It's not that bad a topic, y'know ;-) Alex S. Garcia (lurking, but still sticking around...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Nov 24 09:26:59 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 22:26:59 +0800 Subject: OFF: Diversion Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > 1) Pink Floyd "The Wall" > 2) Kansas "Leftoverture" > 3) Dream Theater "Images & words" > 4) Supertramp "Supertramp" > 5) Babylon Zoo "The boy with the X-ray eyes" > 6) Deep Purple "Purpendicular" > 7) The Eagles "Hotel California" > 8) Led Zeppelin "IV" > 9) Toto "IV" > 10) Foreigner "4" > > Hmm... are there a lot of "4"s there, or is it just me ? ;-) > > And I'm quite sure the list wouldn't be exactly the same if you asked me > again in a week or two ! (though #1, 2, 7 and 8 would definitely still be > there)... > > And hey, Andy, wouldn't you rather we talked about something then have the > list stay silent ? It's not that bad a topic, y'know ;-) > If nobody want's to read the subject, all they need to do is hit delete. My top ten would be (not particularly in any order).. 1 Rainbow Rising- Rainbow 2 Saucerful of Secrets- Pink Floyd 3 In the Court of the Crimson King- King Crimson 4 Tales of Mystery and Imagination- Alan Parsons Project 5 The Garden- John Foxx 6 Rock Drill- Sensational Alex Harvey Band 7 Sheer Heart Attack- Queen 8 Liege and Lief- Fairport Convention 9 Before and After Science- Brian Eno 10 Immunity- Rupert Hine William From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 22 08:49:16 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:49:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: Scream Thy Last Scream In-Reply-To: <199611221040.LAA00274@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: In message <199611221040.LAA00274 at kirov.eunet.no>, Christian Mumford writes >Is Psychedelic Dungeon a compilation or a bootleg?? I need another Syd fix! > >Christian I'm pretty certain it's a legit release as I've seen it advertised in mail order listings. I was lent it though so I can't be certain. Now you mention it it does have the air of boot about it. Other tracks are BBC radio Pretty Things, Creation, Pre-Zep Jimmy Page solo 60's stuff, Factory, Mirage, Idle Race, an unreleased version of See Emily Play, (not all that) and unreleased Who "Anyway, Anyhow,Anywhere" (killer). I've got loads of Pebbles, Nuggets, Rubble and other comps but this is a *brilliant* comp and there isn't a track on it I've already got. Looking over it, the CAT # is ISR 007 CD but there's *no* label info anywhere. Hmmm, I guess it is a boot after all -- Jon Browne From martinp at INFORAMP.NET Sun Nov 24 09:50:31 1996 From: martinp at INFORAMP.NET (MartinPopoff) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:50:31 -0500 Subject: OFF Re: Diversion! Message-ID: OK, I'll bite . . . 1) The Waterboys - This Is The Sea 2) Black Sabbath - Sabotage 3) Queen - Queen 4) Pete Townshend - All The Best Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes 5) Thin Lizzy - Back Rose 6) The Church - Starfish 7) UFO - The Wild, Willing And The Innocent 8) Husker Du - Warehouse: Songs And Stories 9) The Clash London Calling 10) Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti And, jes cos' it's done already for LiveWire, Brave Words and Glass Eye, here's my tops for the year . . . Note: first list is just one we do MONTHLY, for Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles. Top Ten list for Martin Popoff: December Issue 1) CORROSION OF CONFORMITY - Wiseblood (Sony) 2) MANOWAR - Louder Than Hell (Geffen/MCA) 3) MOTORHEAD - Overnight Sensation (CMC) 4) MERCYFUL FATE - Into The Unknown (Metal Blade/MCA) 5) KORN - Life Is Peachy (Sony) 6) CATHEDRAL - Supernatural Birth Machine (Earache) 7) PEARL JAM - No Code (Columbia/Sony) 8) IN FLAMES - The Jester Race (Nuclear Blast/eastwest) 9) NEVERMORE - The Politics Of Ecstacy (Century Media) 10) WEEZER - Pinkerton (Geffen/MCA) Hardifact: Yes - Drama Reading: Living With The Dead by Rock Scully with David Dalton Brave Picks '96 for Martin Popoff 1) DEEP PURPLE - Purpendicular (CMC/MCA) 2) SEPULTURA - Roots (Attic/MCA) 3) KING'S X - Ear Candy (Atlantic/Warner) 4) CORROSION OF CONFORMITY - Wiseblood 5) SOUNDGARDEN - Down On The Upside (A&M) 6) SAMAEL - Passage (Century Media/ St. Clair) 7) MOTORHEAD - Overnight Sensation (CMC) 8) ADRIAN BELEW - Op Zop Too Wah (Passenger/Caroline) 9) CARCASS - Swansong (Earache) 10) FOUR HORSEMEN - Gettin' Pretty Good At Barely Gettin' By (Magnetic Air) 11) THE BLACK CROWES - Three Snakes And One Charm (American) 12) RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE - Evil Empire (Sony) 13) NEVERMORE - The Politics Of Ecstacy (Century Media/St. Clair) 14) BARKMARKET - L Ron (American/Warner) 15) PEARL JAM - No Code (Columbia/Sony) 16) AMORPHIS - Elegy (Relapse) 17) GOREFEST - Soul Survivor (Nuclear Blast/Relapse) 18) CEMETARY - Sundown (Black Mark) 19) TREY GUNN - The Third Star (DGM) 20) SPONGE - Wax Ecstatic (Sony) Martin Popoff: martinp at inforamp.net Power Chord Press (Riff Kills Man!) P.O. Box 65208, 358 Danforth Ave. Toronto, Ontario M4K 3Z2 From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Sun Nov 24 10:41:21 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Clore (NO JUNK E-MAIL)) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 07:41:21 -0800 Subject: OFF: Diversion Message-ID: Hope Gilligan likes these too: (No particular order) 1) BOC: Workshop of the Telescopes 2) Pink Floyd: Wish You Were Here 3) Big Black: Songs About Fucking 4) Beethoven: Fifth Symphony 5) Dead Kennedys: Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables 6) Alice Cooper: Special Forces 7) Black Sabbath: Sabbath Bloody Sabbath 8) Butthole Surfers: Rembrandt Pussyhorse + Cream Corn from the Socket of Davis 9) Voivod: Angel Rat 10) Sex Pistols: Never Mind the Bollocks This is somewhat difficult; I don't even have all the *bands* that I'd want along-- Dan Clore From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sun Nov 24 11:01:16 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 11:01:16 -0500 Subject: HW: RHCP swiping Orgone Accumulator? Message-ID: ---------- From: John Majka[SMTP:flossbac at WCIC.ORG] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 1996 1:03 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: RHCP swiping Orgone Accumulator? At 11:55 PM 11/20/96 +0800, you wrote: >> >> In message <199611201034.LAA12170 at kirov.eunet.no>, Christian Mumford >> writes >> >When I played 'Orgone Accumulator' for a rommate of mine once, he remarked >> >that Red Hot Chili Peppers must have lifted the funky bassline from this HW >> >song > This is just ignorant! Considering that "higher ground," is a Stevie Wonder song, how could Flea have lifted it from Hawkwind? Come on, it is a simple progression of E,G,A; I wonder which drummer lifted the idea of the kick being on the 1's and 3's and the snare being on the 2's and 4's; maybe he or she is a fan of hawkwind also. Perhaps Hawkwind are fans of Stevie Wonder... -Bryan(not john majka, but his fedup roommate) Well, lesse, I think SPACE RITUAL was released before TALKING BOOK, but IMHO there was no SW/HW cross-pollenization. What Flea was doing on the RHCP remake of "Higher Ground" was a bass-guitar recreation of either the Clavinet or the ARP synth underpinning of the song. Don't know if it was note-for-note accurate, but it is pretty damn impressive! And I'm not a SW or a RHCP fan, FWIW... objCDPlayer: Moog Cookbook. If you have a sense of humor, GET THIS! I laugh my butt off every time I play this CD. I just like the fact that, by using hardware from the '70's and using a 70's mindset, these two analog/no MIDI synth-wiz'es have proceeded to "take the piss" out of quite a few of todays' top groups. The arrangements run from disco, lounge and R&B to pomp-rock and all are performed extremely well. And the "high energy" level of this release is great motivational music for getting my kids to do their chores to! Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2732 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mordru at MAGG.NET Sun Nov 24 11:24:54 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 11:24:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: Diversion! Message-ID: >Things have been sort of quiet at BOC-L, so I thought I'd propose a >diversion. Everyone loves those kitschy top ten lists, so why don't we all >send in our votes for the ten albums we would hope to have with us on an >abandoned island, excluding albums by Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult. I >think it'll be interesting to see what other bands people like besides HW >and BOC. Hm, fair enough. Are friends and relations also banned? (including Brain Surgeons...) Hmmm, perhaps we should answer Pink Floyd's "Pulse" so we can break open the case and take the battery to operate the player... (in no particular order) Pink Floyd "Animals" Rush "2112" Basil Poledouris, score of "Conan the Barbarian" Warren Zevon, "Learning to Flinch" CCR, "Green River" Jimmy Buffett, "Changes in Lattitudes, Changes in Attitudes" Bob Marley, "Legend" Metallica, "Master of Puppets" Genesis, "Selling England by the Pound" Jane's Addiction, "Nothing's Shocking" probably wouldn't be the same list if you ask me next week.... From mordru at MAGG.NET Sun Nov 24 11:25:04 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 11:25:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: Diversion Message-ID: >8) Led Zeppelin "IV" >9) Toto "IV" >10) Foreigner "4" > >Hmm... are there a lot of "4"s there, or is it just me ? ;-) Well, if this is a theory, should tBS go with "The Brain Surgeons 4"?? for their NEXT album? From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 23 13:13:39 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 18:13:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: Elric film In-Reply-To: <32971B8B.386D@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: >Joseph Brooks wrote: >> >> At 11:32 AM 11/23/96 GMT, you wrote: >> >A mate of mine was at a book signing in Guildford with Mike Moorcock >recently. >> > >> >MM, after the signing, did a short talk. It turns out he has had several >> offers to do an Elric film, to which he was enthusastic, until they told him >> who was to play Elric.....Brad Pitt !!! MM immediatly withdrew support for >> thw whole project, which has since fallen through. I believe MM wanted Liam Neeson, as it goes. >However, they probably would rather have someone in their 20's for the >role, who looks muscular and tough, which is not what the character is >meant to be. It should be *ME* goddammit! I'm perfect for the part!! I'm thin enough! Look! I'm haunted! I look doomed! Over here! > >I believe MM's choice for the role, when he originally created the >character, would have been Christopher Lee. Therefore, the ideal choice >would have to be someone of that stature! oh well then.. -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Nov 24 12:44:16 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:44:16 GMT Subject: OFF: Elric film Message-ID: On tis 1 jan 1980 00.21 "Max Wilcox" wrote: > Colin Michael Davis wrote: > > shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM wrote: > > :Anyone got any better ideas for the role ? > > I have only three things to say. Richard E. Grant. > > (Maybe he'd be better as Jerry....) Ha, I actually thought of Richard E. Grant for Elric! I thought he might be a little old now though ... Cheers, Carl From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sun Nov 24 13:39:44 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 10:39:44 -0800 Subject: OFF: Diversion Message-ID: Ok, I like doing these things. Dunno why... In no particular order: Rush - Presto UFO - Force It Grateful Dead - Europe '72 Phish - A Live One Blues Traveller - Save His Soul Beatles - Abbey Road Pink Floyd - Obscured by Clouds Judas Priest - Unleashed in the East Captain Beyond - Sufficiently Breathless Spirit - 12 Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus (Spelling and title might be misremembered) Marillion - Misplaced Childhood (ok, so I need 11 on my island...) Now playing: Grateful Dead - 3 From the Vault _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com |"Three men in black | | < *http://www2.connectnet.com/~jbrooks/music.html#boc | said, Don't report |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | this.." -- BOC From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Sun Nov 24 15:21:11 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Jason Scruton) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:21:11 -0000 Subject: OFF: Diversion Message-ID: >Ok, I like doing these things. Dunno why... If Alice Cooper could chose 21st Century Schizoid Man for his desert Island, the common man should have a shot at it after all. > >In no particular order: Focus: Hamburger Concerto Procol Harum: A Salty Dog and The Long Goodbye Dave Clark 5: Glad All Over Again, (the 1990s repackaging of their greatest hits) King Crimson: Larks' Tongues in Aspic Ten Years After: Undead Jethro Tull: Living in the Past (the lp version) Yardbirds: Roger the Engineer/The Yardbirds (depends on where you buy it) MC 5: Teenage Lust Deep Purple: Concerto for Group and Orchestra (conducted by Malcom Arnold) Holtz(sp?): the Planets suite ta da :) J From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Sun Nov 24 15:41:05 1996 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 15:41:05 E Subject: OFF: Scream Thy Last Scream Message-ID: I have a copy of "Rhamadan", and I have the lyrics (somewhere), to "Bob Dylan Blues" and "Rooftop..." but I have yet to find audio copies. "Rhamadan" is much like its post-cursor twin "Lanky part II" a long and drawn out psych instro.... peace, bryan From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sun Nov 24 22:02:34 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:02:34 +1000 Subject: OFF:Re: Diversion! In-Reply-To: <199611240514.AAA20240@wcic.org> Message-ID: OK DUDES; Here is mine. 1) Scorpions: Lonesome Crow 2) UFO : Making Contact 3) MSG : MSG (the second album, not the first or sixth) 4) Q5 : When the Mirror Cracks 5) Leviticus : Setting Fire to the Earth 6) Jethro Tull: Stormwatch 7) Black Sabbath: Sabotage 8) Jerusalem: Dancing on the Head of the Serpent 9) Santana: Moonflower 10) Thin Lizzy: Live Life OK then, How about another list of stuuf that would be a punishment for you to have on a desert island. Here is mine. 1) Alan Parsons Project: Turn of a friendly card 2) Jon and Vangelis: Friends of Mr. Cairo 3) Pink Floyd: The Final Cut 4) Deicide: Once upon a cross. 5) The Commitments: The soundtrack 6) Billy Joel: Any 7) Salt n Pepa: Short dick man 8) Johnny Diesel: any 9) Johnny Farnam: any 10)Tracy Chapman: Fast Car L8r, troy From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Nov 24 22:42:07 1996 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 22:42:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: Diversion Message-ID: Only ten? Always the hard questions! Well from the dome I'd flow: 1) Carl Orff "Carmina Barana" 2) Pink Floyd "Saucerful of Secrets" 3) King Crimson "In the Court of the Crimson King" 4) Bob Dylan "Bringin' It All Back Home" 5) Tom Rush "Take A Little Walk With Me" 6) Muddy Waters "The Chess Box Set" 7) John Coltrane " A Love Supreme" 8) Django Reinhardt "Parisian Swing" 9) Les Paul & Mary Ford "Their All-Time Greatest Hits" 10) Ray Charles "Live at Newport" P.S. Had a great time at the Rodeo last night. Also in attendance were Imaginos alumni Jack Rigg (who sat in on Overture) and Thommy Price. I had a reunion with my favorite roadie of all time Tony Cedrone and was delighted to see many boc-l'ers there too. From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Mon Nov 25 03:31:56 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:31:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Elric film Message-ID: >On tis 1 jan 1980 00.21 "Max Wilcox" wrote: >> Colin Michael Davis wrote: >> > shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM wrote: >> > :Anyone got any better ideas for the role ? >> >> I have only three things to say. Richard E. Grant. >> >> (Maybe he'd be better as Jerry....) > > Ha, I actually thought of Richard E. Grant for Elric! I thought he >might be a little old now though ... > >Cheers, >Carl Well, I remember back in the 80's there was talk of David Bowie playing Elric. He'd be perfect if he weren't so old (even back then). But I think Richard E. Grant or Julian Sands would both make great Elrics, especially if they put on their best veddy veddy english accents... Christian From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Mon Nov 25 03:56:57 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:56:57 +0000 Subject: OFF: Elric film In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How about David Hasselhoff? On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On lvr 23 nov 1996 11.32 wrote: > > MM, after the signing, did a short talk. It turns out he has had several > > offers to do an Elric film, to which he was enthusastic, until they told > > him who was to play Elric.....Brad Pitt !!! MM immediatly withdrew > support > > for thw whole project, which has since fallen through. > > > > Anyone got any better ideas for the role ? (We know which 2 bands should > > do the soundtrack !) > > For some reason I think we need a time machine to get a young Tim Curry > :) > > Failing that ... I dunno! Is Johnny Depp young enough? Actually, I > can't remember anything about him, now that I think of it ... > > Cheers, > Carl > > ObCD: _Imaginos_ > From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Mon Nov 25 03:59:21 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:59:21 +0000 Subject: OFF: Elric film In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, if you're gonna have David Hasselhoff playing Elric (which will guarantee sales in Germany) then I would suggest someone like Gary Barlow to do the music. It should be a pedigree production. Perhaps Julia Roberts could be worked in as the love interest...? Martin On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Colin Michael Davis wrote: > shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM wrote: > :Anyone got any better ideas for the role ? (We know which 2 bands should > :do the soundtrack !) > > Hmmm. For the role of Elric, I think Daniel Day-Lewis would work wonders, > though convincing him might be a pain. Julian Sands would also be quite > nice, especially considering he has the necessary cheekbones and a > reasonably pale complexion to begin with - less time spent making him up. > Just bleach the hair, powder him down, pop in some red contacts, and > *presto!* > > As for the soundtrack and score... :) Well, of *course* B.O.C. and > Hawkwind should be present in quantity. But who else would you solicit for > music? Me, I was thinking Loreena McKennitt for some haunting, ethereal > Celtic-flavored instrumenals. > From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Mon Nov 25 04:04:34 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:04:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Diversion Message-ID: In no particular order........ Love - Forever Changes Husker Du - Zen Arcade Beatles - Revolver Pink Floyd - Piper at the Gates of Dawn Dead Kennedys - Give me Convenience or Give Me Death (yeah, I'm cheating with with a 'best of'...) Soft Machine - Volumes 1 & 2 (cheating again with the 1 CD version...) Jimi Hendrix Experience - Jimi Hendrix Experience Voivod - Killing Technology Black Sabbath - Vol. 4 13th Floor Elevators - Bull of the Woods Christian (I probably missed something.....) From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Mon Nov 25 04:21:16 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Clore (NO JUNK E-MAIL)) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 01:21:16 -0800 Subject: OFF: Diversion Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > > Dead Kennedys - Give me Convenience or Give Me Death (yeah, I'm cheating with > with a 'best of'... No, that was a collection of previously uncollected tracks (hence the title). It seems like a "best of" because it has a few singles versions that differed from the album versions--"Holiday in Cambodia", "California Uber Alles", etc. And so what, anyway--I used _Workshop of the Telescopes_, both a double CD and a "best of"-- Dan Clore. From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Mon Nov 25 04:24:45 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:24:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: Diversion Message-ID: >Christian Mumford wrote: >> >> Dead Kennedys - Give me Convenience or Give Me Death (yeah, I'm cheating with >> with a 'best of'... > >No, that was a collection of previously uncollected tracks (hence the >title). It seems like a "best of" because it has a few singles versions >that differed from the album versions--"Holiday in Cambodia", >"California Uber Alles", etc. > >And so what, anyway--I used _Workshop of the Telescopes_, both a double >CD and a "best of"-- > >Dan Clore. Well, yeah, I'm aware of that (and I happen to like alot of the versions on there better than the album versions), but the title kinda makes me feel guilty.... Christian From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Mon Nov 25 05:08:19 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:08:19 +0000 Subject: Diversion! In-Reply-To: <199611240514.AAA20240@wcic.org> Message-ID: Here's my selection. I have cheated slightly, but then who hasn't? 1. Band of Susans - 'Here Comes Success' 2. This Mortal Coil - 'Boxed Set' 3. Angel Cage - 'Sophie Magic' 4. Pere Ubu - 'Datapanik in the Year Zero' 5. King Crimson - 'The Great Deceiver' 6. The God Machine - 'Scenes From the Second Storey'/'One Last Laugh in a Place of Dying....' 7. John Cale - 'The Island Years' 8. Can - 'Monster Movie' 9. Lydia Lunch - 'Shotgun Wedding' 10. Quicksilver Messenger Service - 'Happy Trails' If I could take an eleventh, it would be 'Fear Engine II' by the Shock Headed Peters (Sabnak Haborym Pazuzu). Martin On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, John Majka wrote: > Things have been sort of quiet at BOC-L, so I thought I'd propose a > diversion. Everyone loves those kitschy top ten lists, so why don't we all > send in our votes for the ten albums we would hope to have with us on an > abandoned island, excluding albums by Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult. I > think it'll be interesting to see what other bands people like besides HW > and BOC. Here's my list (no particular order of preference): > > 1) Pale Saints: Mrs. Dolphin > 2) Husker Du: Warehouse Songs and Stories > 3) Thin White Rope: In The Spanish Cave > 4) Cocteau Twins: Victorialand > 5) Rush: Hemispheres > 6) R.E.M.: Fables of the Reconstruction > 7) Stereolab: Refried Ectoplasm > 8) Guided By Voices: Alien Lanes > 9) Dinosaur Jr.: You're Living All Over Me > 10) Tangerine Dream: Encore > > how about you others? > John Majka > flossbac at wcic.org > From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Nov 25 04:39:59 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:39:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: Elric film In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:30:32 GMT." Message-ID: Carl sez - > > Hawkwind manage to generate the appropriate eldritch feel though ... ^^^^^^^^ Yeah ! Get Andrew to play Elric ;-) He probably doesn't even need the makeup. > perhaps more with their current sound than ever ... bits of Alien 4 were > really quite dark ... Tim From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 25 06:34:38 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:34:38 GMT Subject: OFF: Elric film In-Reply-To: shillada@gatwick.geco-prakla.slb.com's message of Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:32:59 GMT Message-ID: shillada at gatwick.geco-prakla.slb.com writes: > A mate of mine was at a book signing in Guildford with Mike Moorcock > recently. > MM, after the signing, did a short talk. It turns out he has had > several offers to do an Elric film, to which he was enthusastic, until > they told him who was to play Elric.....Brad Pitt !!! MM immediatly > withdrew support for thw whole project, which has s> ince fallen > through. > Blimey ! Holloywood, they sure have some strange ideas for casting. Hollywood see action movies as star vehicles. Given the amount they spend on a movie, only a star will guarantee that they recoup their outlay. Better to have it filmed in the UK :-) > Anyone got any better ideas for the role ? Alan Rickman? > Neil. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 25 06:37:44 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:37:44 GMT Subject: Tangerine Dream In-Reply-To: Jerry Guizar's message of Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:59:07 -0500 Message-ID: Jerry Guizar writes: > I like the TD that was playing in the 70's - early 80's. The last CD I > bought kind of sucked. I think it was called Private Music Of. I was > hoping for something like _Ricochet_. Hie thee to Michael Hoenig's "Departure From The Northern Wasteland". You won't be disappointed - it's more like Ricochet than Ricochet. > Jerry FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 25 06:39:28 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:39:28 GMT Subject: OFF: Elric film In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:30:32 GMT Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > On lr 23 nov 1996 12.27 "Colin Michael Davis" wrote: > > As for the soundtrack and score... :) Well, of *course* B.O.C. and > > Hawkwind should be present in quantity. But who else would you solicit > > for music? Me, I was thinking Loreena McKennitt for some haunting, > > ethereal Celtic-flavored instrumenals. > > Hmmm, I never thought of Elric as terribly Celtic though ... more > Byzantine in feel, or some archaic Near Eastern kind of civilisation. > > Hawkwind manage to generate the appropriate eldritch feel though ... > perhaps more with their current sound than ever ... bits of Alien 4 were > really quite dark ... I figure something in the flavour of the modern version of King Arthur - the one with the OTT Merlin and a heavy metal soundtrack. Great atmosphere! FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 25 06:42:40 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:42:40 GMT Subject: Diversion! In-Reply-To: HERBERT119@delphi.com's message of Sun, 24 Nov 1996 02:36:50 -0500 Message-ID: Speaking of top ten lists, if anyone here hasn't read Nick Hornby's "High Fidelity", you're missing a really wicked and hilarious book. FoFP From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Mon Nov 25 06:53:53 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:53:53 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: Diversion! In-Reply-To: <01IC7I6YHFJS95QFPU@delphi.com> Message-ID: Reply to HERBERT119 about Diversion! >On 24-NOV-1996 00:16:25.8 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > >Things have been sort of quiet at BOC-L, so I thought I'd propose a > >diversion. Everyone loves those kitschy top ten lists, so why don't > >we all send in our votes for the ten albums we would hope to have with > >us on an abandoned island, excluding albums by Hawkwind and Blue > >Oyster Cult. I think it'll be interesting to see what other bands > >people like besides HW and BOC. Here's my list (no particular order > >of preference): > >1) Pale Saints: Mrs. Dolphin Oh, what the hell.... 1: Cardiacs - A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window 2: Alice Cooper - Killer 3: Tubes - What Do You Want From Live 4: Gillan - Glory Road (With free album of course!) 5: Deep purple - Live In Concert (BBC Live) 6: Genesis - Seconds Out 7: Zappa - Does Humor Belong In Music 8: Black Sabbath - Dehumaniser 9: Voivod - Angel Rat And for when I'm pissed off 10: Slayer - Decade of Aggression Man, it's difficult not including Hawkwind/BOC Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Nov 25 08:09:25 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:09:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: Diversion In-Reply-To: <32985B33.6318@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, William Duffy wrote: > If nobody want's to read the subject, all they need to do is hit delete. ...after they've wasted the time downloading it via their dialup link during their regular POP/SMTP session to their ISP. I thought that specious "you just have to hit delete" argument had been debunked a thousand times on here already? > My top ten would be (not particularly in any order).. ["Top ten" list deleted.] Here is mine: 1. "Obscure album #1" -- Obscure Band #1 2. "Obscure album #2" -- Obscure Band #2 3. "Obscure album #3" -- Obscure Band #3 4. "Obscure album #4" -- Obscure Band #4 5. "Obscure album #5" -- Obscure Band #5 6. "Obscure album #6" -- Obscure Band #6 7. "Obscure album #7" -- Obscure Band #7 8. "Obscure album #8" -- Obscure Band #8 9. "Obscure album #9" -- Obscure Band #9 10. "Obscure album #10" -- Obscure Band #10 Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Brain Surgeons, _Box of Hammers_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "Cappuccino!" --- The Brain Surgeons, "Overture," _Box of Hammers_ From rauli.poikela at MBNET.FI Mon Nov 25 09:14:00 1996 From: rauli.poikela at MBNET.FI (Rauli Poikela) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:14:00 +0200 Subject: Diversion! Message-ID: -> Things have been sort of quiet at BOC-L, so I thought I'd propose a -> diversion. Everyone loves those kitschy top ten lists, so why don't we all -> send in our votes for the ten albums we would hope to have with us on an -> abandoned island, excluding albums by Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult. I -> think it'll be interesting to see what other bands people like besides HW -> and BOC. Here's my list (no particular order of preference): -> -> 1) Pale Saints: Mrs. Dolphin -> 2) Husker Du: Warehouse Songs and Stories -> 3) Thin White Rope: In The Spanish Cave -> 4) Cocteau Twins: Victorialand -> 5) Rush: Hemispheres -> 6) R.E.M.: Fables of the Reconstruction -> 7) Stereolab: Refried Ectoplasm -> 8) Guided By Voices: Alien Lanes -> 9) Dinosaur Jr.: You're Living All Over Me -> 10) Tangerine Dream: Encore -> -> how about you others? I'd get the following, no particular order of preference: Eppu Normaali: Repullinen Hitteja Black Sabbath: Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Jethro Tull : 'A' Ozrics : Is there really a difference what record to get ?-) Pink Floyd : Saucerful of Secrets Hurriganes : Roadrunner Led Zeppelin : III Uriah Heep : Salisbury Kauko Royhka : Mielummin vanha kuin aikuinen Simon&Garfunk: Any compilation From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 25 10:00:48 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:00:48 -0500 Subject: Diversion! Message-ID: > If nobody want's to read the subject, all they need to do is hit delete. ...after they've wasted the time downloading it via their dialup link during their regular POP/SMTP session to their ISP. I thought that specious "you just have to hit delete" argument had been debunked a thousand times on here already? Yes. All you folks out there reading mail on your computers at work or school need to keep such things in mind. It's o.k. to veer off-topic, but use the OFF: header so people who want off-topics filtered can save bandwidth. Also, I believe the "spirit" of the OFF header is not so that people on this list can hold extended discussions about whatever they want. Even off-topic stuff should be related somewhat (and asking about what albums you'd take on a desert island probably qualifies), and listmembers are expected to sort of monitor themselves and not let even off-topic stuff ramble on forever. There are other forums for such things -- BOC-L was not meant to be one of them. I support someone wanting to drum up some conversation on BOC-L if things get quiet, but better to bring up something topical - like some obscure BOC song reference or something like that. >> "Cappuccino!" --- The Brain Surgeons, "Overture," _Box of Hammers_ That's what I *thought* they were sayin' -- it seemed too wacky to be true. Hey Al, this wouldn't have been meant as a BOC-L reference to former member of this list with a fondness for coffee? ;-) From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Mon Nov 25 10:09:46 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:09:46 -0000 Subject: OFF: Diversion Message-ID: Paul, I think that your choice is a little obscure. Mike P. ---------- From: Paul Mather[SMTP:paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU] Sent: Monday, November 25, 1996 01:09 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: Diversion Here is mine: 1. "Obscure album #1" -- Obscure Band #1 2. "Obscure album #2" -- Obscure Band #2 3. "Obscure album #3" -- Obscure Band #3 4. "Obscure album #4" -- Obscure Band #4 5. "Obscure album #5" -- Obscure Band #5 6. "Obscure album #6" -- Obscure Band #6 7. "Obscure album #7" -- Obscure Band #7 8. "Obscure album #8" -- Obscure Band #8 9. "Obscure album #9" -- Obscure Band #9 10. "Obscure album #10" -- Obscure Band #10 Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Brain Surgeons, _Box of Hammers_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. 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I thought that > specious "you just have to hit delete" argument had been debunked a > thousand times on here already? Since making that comment, I now realise how wrong I was, especially when I haven't been on the Net for a day or two, then waiting ages for the messages to download (sometimes 50 or 60), and then wading through them all, only to find a dozen of any interest. It's especially difficult when you can't seem to program the Set Topics options! William From ABrevard at SHL.COM Mon Nov 25 12:10:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:10:00 -0700 Subject: OFF: Diversion Message-ID: >Things have been sort of quiet at BOC-L, so I thought I'd propose a >diversion. Everyone loves those kitschy top ten lists, so why don't we all >send in our votes for the ten albums we would hope to have with us on an >abandoned island, excluding albums by Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult. I'll bite - King's X - Ear Candy King's X - Gretchen Goes to Nebraska King's X - King's X King's X - Dogman King's X - Faith Hope Love King's X - Out of The Silent Planet King's X - Riding The Wind (Live) Velvet Hammer - Live Galactic Cowboys - Space In Your Face Dream Theater - Images and Words Threshold - Psychedelicattessan Threshold - Wounded Land Triumph - Thunder 7 Triumph - Allied Forces Masquerade - Surface of Pain Y&T - Musically Incorrect Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime Well thats 17 but I never leave home without my King's X collection. I justify this by foregoing any type of floatation device when the the ship sank. 8^) Some quickies - Martin Popoff, are you doing a review of BOH anytime soon? You like Ear Candy huh? Hello to Theo, Manuel &Jean, John Swartz and Mr. Bouchard. 5 In the player recently - Galactic Cowboys - Space In Your Face Savatage - Handful of Rain Gary Hoey - Animal Instincts Sea Level - The Best Of King's X - Dogman AB From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 25 11:29:32 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:29:32 +0800 Subject: OFF:Re: Diversion! Message-ID: Troy Harris wrote: > OK then, > > How about another list of stuuf that would be a punishment for you to > have on a desert island. Here is mine. > In this category, I would say anything by a group of young boys, usually 5, who appear to be about 15 years old, don't play any instruments, and sing lots of songs about the girls they have loved (Science Fiction??). I am referring to all Boyz2Men-Take That clones. Also any music by people who bark every time they touch their crotch. Anything with a hint of Bootscooting. And any music where the Synth is being badly mistreated by it's owner in the name of what is laughingly called Dance Music. Why is it that people who seem to sing about nothing but SEX are given more coverage by the media than those who sing about Quarks, Orgone Accumulators, etc.. OOOPPSS!! Just realized that those two examples are about the same subject!!! Well. You know what I mean anyway. William From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Mon Nov 25 11:55:26 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:55:26 +0000 Subject: Imaginos! In-Reply-To: <199611240514.AAA20240@wcic.org> Message-ID: I have just discovered that Imaginos is no longer available on cd, which is a bit of a blow as I was hoping to get one to replace my ailing vinyl and cassette. If anyone has a spare copy then I would be happy to either pay for it, or to buy whatever you want in exchange. I know this is a bit mercenary of me to expect a BOC fan to part with even a spare copy, but I would be happy to negotiate very favourable terms! Martin Dench Brighton UK From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 25 12:47:47 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 17:47:47 GMT Subject: Hawks & BOC not in Vatican top ten Message-ID: >From an article by Richard Owen: On the front of the London Times today is an article concerning the denunciation of "hard rock" as an "instrument of the devil" and the urging of young people nto avoid it for fear of endangering their souls. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of The Faith, considered the highest moral authority in the Vatican after the Pope, has earned a fearsome reputation after admonishment and ex-communication of dissident theologians. His latest broadside, at the feast fo Saint Cecilia, patron saint of music, he thought that there was a great deal in modern pop music which endangered the human soul and urged heavy metal bands in particular to "purify themselves". Young people were warned against "subliminal stanic influence" in songs by the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Queen, Led Zeppelin, and the Eagles. Vatican officials later included Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath and AC/DC in the "worst offenders" category and informed that "AC/DC" stood not for alternating current, not even for bisexuality, but for "Anti-Christ, Death to Christ". Seems like they have some righteous shit down there at the Vatican. I vote we send Joe Ratzy a copy of the covers tapes for comment. Who knows, we could have a Hawkfiend as the next Pope. Mike "If that doesn't Immanetize The Eschaton then nothing will" Holmes From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Mon Nov 25 13:02:46 1996 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:02:46 -0700 Subject: Diversion!, really BOH and cappuccino Message-ID: >>> John A Swartz 11/25/96 08:00am >>> "Cappuccino!" --- The Brain Surgeons, "Overture," _Box of Hammers_ That's what I *thought* they were sayin' -- it seemed too wacky to be true. Hey Al, this wouldn't have been meant as a BOC-L reference to former member of this list with a fondness for coffee? ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have only listened to BOH a couple of times and refuse to judge any album until I have listened to it repeatedly. But at this point in time I will say that there are some great tunes on BOH. The culmination of this disk is overture. I nearly peed my pants when I heard the "Cappuccino" line. Thanks, Al for having a sense of humor about your own work. Damn!, but that was funny. (Include "Tender was the Night" in that too). BTW I sense that the end of BOH and Trep. are good ol' bronx cheers to the "other guys". Kind of a "it's my music so screw you" challenge. "Revenge of a thousand guitars", indeed. Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 25 13:37:31 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:37:31 -0500 Subject: Diversion!, really BOH and cappuccino Message-ID: >BTW I sense that the end of BOH and Trep. are good ol' bronx cheers to the "other guys". Kind of a "it's my music so screw you" challenge. "Revenge of a thousand guitars", indeed. I really don't think that was the intent. I think it's more of Al's way of acknowleging all of us BOC fans who continue to support his music. When the band was first formed, Al said something to the effect of "Nobody is gonna even *say* the words 'Blue Oyster Cult'", but later decided that some of his fans would want to hear tBS do some of Al's tunes from his BOC days (of course, I don't think tBS will ever do stuff that Al didn't write, like "Don't Fear Godzilla Burnin' The Reaper For You"). Of course, Al has every right to release his own material, so the guys in BOC shouldn't take offense anyway (whether or not they do I have no idea). There are a couple places where tBS do seem to sort of poke fun at BOC. The cover of the *Career of Christmas* tape, which was a special fan-club only release, was a spoof on *Workshop of the Telescopes*. And, Al or Deb did once confirm that the line "I see you in black" in the song "Everything is Blue" was sort of a tongue-in-cheek reference to one of BOC's new songs which has yet to be released (which I kind of interpreted as - we got "see you in black" on a CD before you guys did). But, as a big fan of both BOC and tBS, I really liked the inclusion of those 2 tracks on both *Trepanation* and *Box of Hammers*. John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 25 11:27:00 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:27:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Elric film In-Reply-To: <13CB39C6.6912@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: In message <13CB39C6.6912 at student.uq.edu.au>, Max Wilcox writes >They could have anybody as Elric as long as they bloody don't use that >stupid one from the Black Sword video - that's jusy shocking. > >-Max Wilcox Max, check your PC clock/calender. Apparantly you sent this message 16 years ago! androgynous energies....Travelling through timmmeeee........ -- Jon Browne "I don't do drugs, I AM drugs" - Salvador Dali From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Nov 25 13:57:58 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 19:57:58 +0100 Subject: Hawks & BOC not in Vatican top ten Message-ID: >Vatican officials later included Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath and AC/DC >in the "worst offenders" category and informed that "AC/DC" stood not >for alternating current, not even for bisexuality, but for "Anti-Christ, >Death to Christ". but they did not mention the Knights In Satan's Service (Kiss), or the group with a "goat head in a red pentagram" symbol (Rush/2112), or the BOC/Agents of Fortune artwork (man holding tarot card that says "I want to Show you the Death" and pointing at the wellknown [BOC] symbol that means "I Don't Believe in what Christ did Means Anything". Flip side shows three clearly visible satanic symbols, the Moon, the Saturn and the Pyramid. all above cited from Swedish priest Erland Str?mkvist, Bolln?s - in one of his "Rock Music Connections to Satan" speech. guess I have to find my Erland Str?mkvist cassette - it makes my heart beat ;0) \\joe From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Nov 25 14:32:50 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:32:50 -0500 Subject: Hawks & BOC not in Vatican top ten Message-ID: >>Vatican officials later included Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath and AC/DC >>in the "worst offenders" category and informed that "AC/DC" stood not >>for alternating current, not even for bisexuality, but for "Anti-Christ, >>Death to Christ". > >but they did not mention the Knights In Satan's Service (Kiss), or the group >with a "goat head in a red pentagram" symbol (Rush/2112), or the BOC/Agents >of Fortune artwork (man holding tarot card that says "I want to Show you the >Death" and pointing at the wellknown [BOC] symbol that means "I Don't >Believe in what Christ did Means Anything". Flip side shows three clearly >visible satanic symbols, the Moon, the Saturn and the Pyramid. Glad to see they accepted the bribes of Kommunist Redneck Anti-Freedom Terrorists Who Excite Retarded Kids. Name games are a dime a dozen. Vicious Anti-Truth Is Corrupt And Nonsensical. +----------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Baron Roger Shrubstaff of the Amtgard Barony of Silverwater| (Kingdom of the Burning Lands), aka | Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +---------------------------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 25 14:59:39 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 19:59:39 GMT Subject: OFF: Hawks & BOC not in Vatican top ten Message-ID: On m?n 25 nov 1996 17.47 "M Holmes" wrote: > Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine > of The Faith, considered the highest moral authority in the Vatican > after the Pope, has earned a fearsome reputation after admonishment and > ex-communication of dissident theologians. Oh my, Oh my. I trust everyone realises that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is the current name for what used to be referred to as the Inquisition. :) Ooo, we are into some dodgy things here :) > Vatican officials later included Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath and AC/DC > in the "worst offenders" category Guess they never listened to Sabbath's "After Forever". Can you _get_ less Satanic than early Sabbath with out actually being the Vatican choir? Or is it just my imagination that Tony Iommi is a devout Christian? :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 25 15:01:46 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 20:01:46 GMT Subject: OFF: Hawks & BOC not in Vatican top ten Message-ID: Plus, I bet people like Venom and King Diamond are gonna be real cheesed off not to be in the "worst offenders" category :) I mean, they've been out there treading the boards for this kind of recognition :) I hear the latest Merciful Fate album was quite good, btw. Cheers, Carl From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Mon Nov 25 15:28:54 1996 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:28:54 -0700 Subject: Diversion!, really BOH and cappuccino -Reply Message-ID: >>> John A Swartz 11/25/96 11:37am >>> >BTW I sense that the end of BOH and Trep. are good ol' bronx cheers to the "other guys". Kind of a "it's my music so screw you" challenge. "Revenge of a thousand guitars", indeed. I really don't think that was the intent. I think it's more of Al's way of acknowleging all of us BOC fans who continue to support his music. >>>>>>>>>>>> Well I didn't mean to insinuate that Al was upset or wanted to upset any of the members of 3OC, just that it was more of a statement of fact. "This is my music and I'm gonna play it. And I'll play it any way I like". Obviously it was done with a good time at the heart of it. That comes through in the music. Of course Al knows the real motivation and I am at best, guessing. Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From uriah at HERMITAGE.RU Mon Nov 25 16:30:34 1996 From: uriah at HERMITAGE.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:30:34 +0300 Subject: Hawks & BOC not in Vatican top ten Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > >From an article by Richard Owen: > > On the front of the London Times today is an article concerning the > denunciation of "hard rock" as an "instrument of the devil" and the > urging of young people nto avoid it for fear of endangering their souls. ... > Young people were warned against "subliminal stanic influence" in songs > by the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Queen, Led Zeppelin, and > the Eagles. How silly... it reminds me very much it reminds me very much of the efforts spent by Soviet authorities to ban rock music. The Beatles were more or less in favor (mostly because of Lennon's "progressive" activity - fight for peace etc.), but Pink Floyd were also among capital offenders (the real reason were the words "Brezhnev took Afghanistan" on The Final Cut) > Vatican officials later included Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath and AC/DC > in the "worst offenders" category and informed that "AC/DC" stood not > for alternating current, not even for bisexuality, but for "Anti-Christ, > Death to Christ". Hmm... how dit he forgot Arthur Brown and Sex Pistols? ;) Well, Brown is not especially active these days (so most likely rev. Joseph just never heard the name), but Pistols have re-appeared recently Yuri From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Nov 25 17:18:58 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 17:18:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Pope Message-ID: All this talk about the pope brings to mind (for some reason) "DAVID PEEL And THE LOWER EAST SIDE's" Apple album and "The Pope Smokes Dope" (1972). Check it out ;-) Martyn From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Nov 25 19:23:31 1996 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 19:23:31 EST Subject: HW: Anthology booklet virtual copy Message-ID: I am currently trying to finish up a "virtual" copy of the Hawkwind Anthology booklet "The Approved History of HW: 1967-1982". I managed to get the OCR s/w running on my scanner, and ran this sucker thru. Turns out the 8-pgs of 2-column 7-pt type expanded into over 14 pages in Wordperfect, along with a fair amount of read-errors (Dave Brock was a "husker" :-). I had to strip all the graphics out unfortunately. I still need to proof the entire 11,000 words completely, but the whole thing should be complete and corrected right after Thanksgiving. I can make copies in ASCII, Word, or WordPerfect. If any web-site maintainer (Paul? Sonique?) would like a copy to post, just E-me privately and I'll let you know as soon as it is done. Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com P.S. Yuri, hope you can hold out a little longer. Almost done! From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Nov 25 19:40:16 1996 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 19:40:16 EST Subject: HW: American Hawk Tales, pt II Message-ID: About two weeks ago I got in my copy of "American Hawk Tales, II". This is about 50-pgs of newspaper clippings and tour advertisements covering the 1995 US Tour, as well as a variety of album reviews and UK-show mentions from the past 6 years. A pretty interesting momento and fanclub-type item, no doubt. You can order a copy of this from: Jim Collins P.O.Box 307 Crete, IL 60417 I believe that the price was US$5.00, if I remember correct. Jim put out "American Hawk Tales I" and a Nikwind tour souvenir booklet that are both similar to this item. He also puts out the only American Ozric Tentacles fan club publication. He also running a fledgling music mail-order business selling music similar to the Ozrics. Write him for info on all of this, he's a good guy. Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Mon Nov 25 23:35:03 1996 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 05:35:03 +0100 Subject: HUGE HAWKWIND FILES Message-ID: hello all, it was a bit quiet on the Calvert site lately - but...finally the result of some weeks HTML-ing is online: the ULTIMATE files on the HAWKWIND and CALVERT CONNECTION: FOUR SOLID PAGES that tell the whole-wild-productive-mad story: from Calvert's earliest contacts to the band until his final departure in late '78. The pages contain lots of photos, interview pieces, press clippings and other texts - some of it has never been released and seen before! (for instance the unleashing of the complete -notorious Hawkwind in Paris episode...) / full colour pics of the ATOMHENGE and SPACE RITUAL stage shows....in short: a MUST-GO-SITE for all you Hawkwinders.... - go there via the HAWKWIND link in the main menu - from there through the other 3 parts.... and there's more: - piles of new lyrics: the complete lyrics for the CAPTAIN LOCKHEED and LUCKY LEIF albums / the REVENGE tape (with Pete Pavli) / lyrics from early HW performances and later records / lyrics from the collaborations with Adrian Wagner ('Cricket Star' a.o.) - a new text from PAUL RUDOLPH: his memories of the recroding sessions for LUCKY LEIF ....and more - all listed on the NEWS pages..... hope you like it - would be nice if you drop me a line when you are / were there. Feedback keeps sites like this going.... best to all of you, knut Gerwers VideoFest Mediopolis Berlin e.V. Potsdamer Str. 96 D - 10785 Berlin Germany tel: *30 - 262 8714 fax: *30 - 262 8713 email: videofest at mediopolis.de http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ From stayer at PI.NET Tue Nov 26 10:23:59 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:23:59 PST Subject: Imaginos! Message-ID: Martin Dench wrote: >I have just discovered that Imaginos is no longer available on cd, which >is a bit of a blow as I was hoping to get one to replace my ailing vinyl >and cassette. If anyone has a spare copy then I would be happy to either >pay for it, or to buy whatever you want in exchange. I know this is a bit >mercenary of me to expect a BOC fan to part with even a spare copy, but I >would be happy to negotiate very favourable terms! Martin, In Holland Imaginos is in the Nice Price selection, which is not as nice as a nice price somehwere else, but still not too expensive. It's fairly easy to get it here. I could buy you a copy. We can work out a trade later. Meanwhile, could you give me the details on the cassette copy, please? I need the info for BOCbase. Record label, cat# and year of release are important. Thanks! Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Nov 26 10:20:29 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:20:29 PST Subject: OFF: Damian Wilson Message-ID: Adrian Brevard wrote: >Threshold - Psychedelicattessan >Threshold - Wounded Land In case you didn't know, Damian Wilson (singer on Wounded Land) is back with Threshold and touring with them. New album to be out in a couple of months, I believe. Jerry From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Tue Nov 26 03:58:20 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 08:58:20 +0000 Subject: OFF:Re: Diversion! In-Reply-To: <3299C96C.2404@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: For my part, I can think of no greater punishment than being forced to spend the rest of your life on a desert island with the ultimate hi-fi equipment for company but with only the collected works of Phil Collins to listen to.... M. On Tue, 26 Nov 1996, William Duffy wrote: > Troy Harris wrote: > > > OK then, > > > > How about another list of stuuf that would be a punishment for you to > > have on a desert island. Here is mine. > > > > In this category, I would say anything by a group of young boys, usually > 5, who appear to be about 15 years old, don't play any instruments, and > sing lots of songs about the girls they have loved (Science Fiction??). > I am referring to all Boyz2Men-Take That clones. > > Also any music by people who bark every time they touch their crotch. > Anything with a hint of Bootscooting. And any music where the Synth is > being badly mistreated by it's owner in the name of what is laughingly > called Dance Music. > > Why is it that people who seem to sing about nothing but SEX are given > more coverage by the media than those who sing about Quarks, Orgone > Accumulators, etc.. > > OOOPPSS!! Just realized that those two examples are about the same > subject!!! > Well. You know what I mean anyway. > > William > From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Nov 25 15:07:20 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:07:20 +1100 Subject: OFF:Re: Diversion! Message-ID: dench wrote: > > For my part, I can think of no greater punishment than being forced to > spend the rest of your life on a desert island with the ultimate hi-fi > equipment for company but with only the collected works of Phil Collins to > listen to.... > > M. I would have to say that being standed with the complete Jaques Brel collection - that's a recipe for total insanity. -Max Wilcox From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Tue Nov 26 04:28:30 1996 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:28:30 GMT Subject: Hawks & BOC not in Vatican top ten Message-ID: > Young people were warned against "subliminal stanic influence" in songs > by the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Queen, Led Zeppelin, and > the Eagles. > > Vatican officials later included Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath and AC/DC > in the "worst offenders" category and informed that "AC/DC" stood not > for alternating current, not even for bisexuality, but for "Anti-Christ, > Death to Christ". Hey, to pass comments like that this guy must have listened to all that stuff!! I wonder what his record collection looks like. Sounds as if he likes Death Metal though :) Keith From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Nov 26 06:46:39 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 12:46:39 +0100 Subject: BOC: Album name Message-ID: John wrote; > And, Al or >Deb did once confirm that the line "I see you in black" in the song >"Everything is Blue" was sort of a tongue-in-cheek reference to one of >BOC's new songs which has yet to be released (which I kind of interpreted >as - we got "see you in black" on a CD before you guys did). I've just recieved some BOC news... the new CD is not going to be called Ezekiels Wheel ... the name they have right now is "Godot". -Daniel Wikdahl . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Nov 26 07:01:49 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:01:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection Message-ID: hi I've bought a very cheap used HW CD called "Castle Masters Collection"... ...does anybody know the story behind the songs (when they were recorded, why they don't appear on any album (maybe the do, but I haven't seen them anywhere) why the sound quality is so poor etc) "Hash Cake '77", "Came Home" and "Dealing with the Devil". Some songs sounds like edited versions ,like the track "Masters of the Universe" a live version with only one verse (is it called verse in English?!?)...is this the way it is or am I completely wrong... And one more... is there a HW FAQ somewhere??? -Daniel Wikdahl . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Tue Nov 26 07:06:56 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Clore (NO JUNK E-MAIL)) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 04:06:56 -0800 Subject: BOC: Album name Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > I've just recieved some BOC news... the new CD is not going to be called > Ezekiels Wheel ... the name they have right now is "Godot". Which means that we're all now -- waiting for _Godot_. Painful, but inevitable. Dan Clore. From makila at CSC.FI Tue Nov 26 07:30:19 1996 From: makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:30:19 +0200 Subject: BOC: Album name In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 26 Nov 1996 12:46:39 +0100." <1.5.4.32.19961126114639.008de894@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: Daniel's message dated: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 12:46:39 +0100 > > I've just recieved some BOC news... the new CD is not going to be called > Ezekiels Wheel ... the name they have right now is "Godot". So, does ``Godot'' mean something and what? //niko From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Nov 26 08:16:13 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:16:13 UT Subject: BOC: Album name Message-ID: Daniel says >I've just recieved some BOC news... the new CD is not going to be called >Ezekiels Wheel ... the name they have right now is "Godot". I suspect this was someone making a feeble joke - "Waiting for Godot"... I *hope* it was someone making a feeble joke, anyway! - Andy ObCD: Type O Negative - _October Rust_ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 26 08:30:33 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:30:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Pope In-Reply-To: <9611252218.AA00233@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, Martyn White wrote: > All this talk about the pope brings to mind (for some > reason) "DAVID PEEL And THE LOWER EAST SIDE's" Apple album and > "The Pope Smokes Dope" (1972). Check it out ;-) Or there's the well-known song by The Not Very Good Interval Band on their album `Bendysistserasparagushead', `The Pope Wears Rubber and He Drinks Fresh Milk' - right Carl? Jazza /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 26 08:36:46 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 08:36:46 -0500 Subject: BOC: Album name Message-ID: >I've just recieved some BOC news... the new CD is not going to be called Ezekiels Wheel ... the name they have right now is "Godot". Hmm... curious. I really liked the name "Ezekiel's Wheel", and whil I don't know if it was really relevant to the material that is planned for the album, it certainly tied in with the themes of some of BOC's older material, and I think it could have made for a very cool album cover if they did something along the lines of 'zeke's vision. Well, don't know what the significance of "Godot" with BOC and the new stuff is, I just hope that they don't release an album with an all-black cover . . . John From a.wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Tue Nov 26 08:52:53 1996 From: a.wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Andrew Fergus Wilson) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:52:53 -0000 Subject: off: interesting looking url Message-ID: hi, sorry about the delay, ---------- > I visited this site, but was unable to read the downloaded file. > Neil. the file's an .exe, ie, run it and will unpack the list into a .txt format file, for the time being, here's the boc stuff: ROBIN DAVIS c\o HIT THE DECK P.O. BOX 92 BROADSTAIRS KENT CT10 2AG, UK. 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Does that mean we are going to have a long wait for it? - Mike Godwin From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 26 08:55:42 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 08:55:42 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: tBS doing BOC Message-ID: Brad writes: >Well I didn't mean to insinuate that Al was upset or wanted to upset any of the members of 3OC, just that it was more of a statement of fact. "This is my music and I'm gonna play it. And I'll play it any way I like". Obviously it was done with a good time at the heart of it. That comes through in the music. Of course Al knows the real motivation and I am at best, guessing. Well, I am guessing as well. While I still suspect it's more of a treat for us BOC fans who are now tBS fans, Al may be making a statement that it *is* his music. I guess when you think about it, BOC has been playing his music for years - songs like "Stairway to the Stars", "Cities on Flame", "O.D.'d on Life Itself", "Flaming Telepaths", "Astronomy", "The Red and the Black", and even "Buck's Boogie" were all songs that he had at least a part in creating. All these songs are staples in BOC's live sets over the past few years (over most of BOC's career in fact), and some of them were even re-recorded by BOC back in '94 for *Cult Classic*. So, maybe Brad has more of a point than I gave him credit for -- if BOC can continue to play and even re-record his stuff, then maybe he is saying "This is my music and I'm gonna play it" However, based on Al's recent actions (reasonable prices for his material - with *Career of Christmas* being a good example), concerts with low or no cover charges, and based on e-mail and face-to-face discussions that I've had with him, Deb, and the rest of tBS, I truly suspect that these tracks are for us fans. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 26 08:56:44 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 08:56:44 -0500 Subject: BOC: Album name Message-ID: > I've just recieved some BOC news... the new CD is not going to be called > Ezekiels Wheel ... the name they have right now is "Godot". Does that mean we are going to have a long wait for it? Well, we certainly have up to this point... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 26 09:01:17 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:01:17 -0500 Subject: off: interesting looking url Message-ID: The *Club Ninja* LP listed in that list shows a date of '85 -- if this is correct, this *might* be the UK mix of CN - with the infamous non-fadeout version of "White Flags". John From ABrevard at SHL.COM Tue Nov 26 10:36:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 08:36:00 -0700 Subject: BOH/ fun in music. Message-ID: Adrian Brevard wrote: >Threshold - Psychedelicattessan >Threshold - Wounded Land Jerry>-In case you didn't know, Damian Wilson (singer on Wounded Land) is back with Threshold and touring with them. New album to be out in a couple of months, I believe.- Interesting. Very hard to get any info on Threshold, if you know of a good web site can you send me direct. Would appreciate it. Still trying to secure a copy of the Live EP. Are they touring in the US? John Swartz Said -There are a couple places where tBS do seem to sort of poke fun at BOC. The cover of the *Career of Christmas* tape, which was a special fan-club only release, was a spoof on *Workshop of the Telescopes*. And, Al or Deb did once confirm that the line "I see you in black" in the song "Everything is Blue" was sort of a tongue-in-cheek reference to one of BOC's new songs which has yet to be released (which I kind of interpreted as - we got "see you in black" on a CD before you guys did).- Nothing written in stone that says music cannot be fun or display a sense of humor. Humor is an aspect that+s hard to find now-a-days. And John Said: -That's what I *thought* they were sayin' -- it seemed too wacky to be true. Hey Al, this wouldn't have been meant as a BOC-L reference to former member of this list with a fondness for coffee? ;-)- Moi immortalized in a tBS song? Naw too good to be true. >-All this talk about the pope brings to mind (for some reason) "DAVID PEEL And THE LOWER EAST SIDE's" Apple album and "The Pope Smokes Dope" (1972). Check it out ;-)- Inhaled until his eye bulged from the sockets. I see there has been a lot of discussion of Imaginos being out of print. Browsing through a few Best Buys much of the BOC catalog has been reduced to as low a $5.99. Tyranny & Mutation hasn+t been seen outside of 3PAK in a few months. Perhaps we should all be scarfing extra copies of all things BOC,, before its too late. Weird thing about Best Buy is that they have recently stocked copies of the Import -Reapers- compilation , while taking the original stuff off the shelf. AB -Every poet is a thief.- obnewgroup - Lemur Voice- From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Tue Nov 26 09:14:09 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:14:09 +0000 Subject: BOC: Album name In-Reply-To: <199611261230.OAA28089@voxopm.minedu.fi> Message-ID: Perhaps Eric and Buck are big fans of Beckett? Perhaps the album after this one (if we all live that long) will be called 'Krapp's Last Tape'. M. On Tue, 26 Nov 1996, Niko Makila wrote: > Daniel's message dated: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 12:46:39 +0100 > > > > I've just recieved some BOC news... the new CD is not going to be called > > Ezekiels Wheel ... the name they have right now is "Godot". > > So, does ``Godot'' mean something and what? > > //niko > From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Nov 26 10:26:23 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:26:23 UT Subject: BOC: Album name Message-ID: >Perhaps Eric and Buck are big fans of Beckett? Perhaps the album after >this one (if we all live that long) will be called 'Krapp's Last Tape'. Just so long as it's better than their last krapp tape... :) Sorry, someone had to make that joke. - Andy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 26 11:03:35 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:03:35 GMT Subject: OFF: The Pope Message-ID: On tis 26 nov 1996 13.30 "Jon Jarrett" wrote: > Or there's the well-known song by The Not Very Good Interval Band > on their album `Bendysistserasparagushead', `The Pope Wears Rubber and He > Drinks Fresh Milk' - right Carl? Oh, yes! A timeless classic. Including the line: "And I ought to know because he told me so." Gear fab. Cheers, Carl From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Tue Nov 26 11:05:10 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:05:10 -0000 Subject: OFF:Really dull Message-ID: Warning, this really is off topic! I need to find out about the Internet market place. The service providers, their marketing strategies & strengths etc. Is there anyone knowledgeable on the list with whom I could exchange direct mail on this subject? Mike P From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 26 12:54:42 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:54:42 +0000 Subject: BOC: Album name In-Reply-To: <199611261336.IAA29607@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: In message <199611261336.IAA29607 at mbunix.mitre.org>, John A Swartz writes >Well, don't know what the significance of "Godot" with BOC and the new >stuff is, I just hope that they don't release an album with an all-black >cover . . . > >John Waiting For Godot is a play by Sam Beckett where two vagrants, Vladimir and Estragon (from memory) spend their lives waiting in the same spot for this Godot bloke. "Waiting For Godot" is now a euphemism for waiting indefinatly. The "joke" in the play is, he *never* comes. The joke in the album title, I assume, is : here it is at last. i.e. this is what you've waited for, for so long. -- Jon Browne From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 26 13:05:46 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:05:46 GMT Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection In-Reply-To: Daniel Wikdahl's message of Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:01:49 +0100 Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl writes: > hi > > I've bought a very cheap used HW CD called "Castle Masters Collection"... > ...does anybody know the story behind the songs (when they were recorded, > why they don't appear on any album (maybe the do, but I haven't seen them > anywhere) why the sound quality is so poor etc) "Hash Cake '77", "Came Home" > and "Dealing with the Devil". 1991 Castle Masters Collection Douglas in the Jungle British Tribal Music Quark, Strangeness, and Charm Hurry on Sundown The War Master of the Universe Hash Cake '77 Came Home Urban Guerilla High Rise Magnu Silver Machine World of Tiers Dealing With The Devil Ghost Dance Motorhead Spirit of the Age This is one of the not terribly good compilations that seem to be issued periodically for Hawkwind. In this case the date of issue is surprisingly late and Castle Communications were a legitimate outlet for Hawkwind for a while so it's one of the official issues (I think!). It mostly comprises tracks taken from the Anthology/Acid Daze set but for full details of each track see the Codex. That'll tell you where the original versions appear. > Some songs sounds like edited versions ,like the track "Masters of the > Universe" a live version with only one verse (is it called verse in > English?!?)...is this the way it is > or am I completely wrong... > > And one more... is there a HW FAQ somewhere??? not as such but if the discography and codex can't answer your questions we'll do our best here! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 26 13:11:19 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:11:19 GMT Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection In-Reply-To: Daniel Wikdahl's message of Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:01:49 +0100 Message-ID: Hi there! Daniel Wikdahl writes: > hi > > I've bought a very cheap used HW CD called "Castle Masters Collection"... I've been looking for this CD for ages - I've got the vinyl album but have never been able to locate the CD which has far more tracks on it. I know the quality is poor but for the sake of my Kollector's spirit - are you likely to find another copy over there? If so I'd be really interested to hear about it! cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Tue Nov 26 13:33:15 1996 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:33:15 E Subject: OFF: The Pope Message-ID: "The pope smokes dope, god gave him the grass. The pope smokes dope, he likes to smoke in mass The pope smokes dope, he's a groovy head yeah! the pope smokes dope the pope smokes dope.... Oh yeah x3 Now god is high on mescaline, and satan's high on smack Popes in rome get stoned on grass, while Jesus freaks out back Jesus Chist is Super-hippy, never shot up junk Popes in Rome get stoned alone, while priests in church get drunk (Chorus) Now Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water. Jill forgot to take her pill and now she's got a daughter Taking pills is not a joke , for a groovy Pope. Birth control can be a toke of Marijuana somke. (chorus) The pope is getting Higher. (Higher, Higher) x4 (chorus) Cha CHA CHA From stayer at PI.NET Tue Nov 26 20:42:00 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:42:00 PST Subject: OFF: progrock Message-ID: Adrian Brevard wrote: >>Threshold - Psychedelicattessan >>Threshold - Wounded Land Jerry: >In case you didn't know, Damian Wilson (singer on Wounded Land) >is back with Threshold and touring with them. New album to be out >in a couple of months, I believe. Adrian: >Interesting. Very hard to get any info on Threshold, if you know of a >good web site can you send me direct. Would appreciate it. Still >trying to secure a copy of the Live EP. Are they touring in the US? Try the Dutch Progressive Rock Page. I am not sure whether they have some info, but you could check. http://145.89.78.151/~martijn/ >obnewgroup - Lemur Voice- Ha, LV. They performed under the name of Aura first. Made some demos. They're the first Dutch band signed to Magna Carta. And if you like LV, try Altura, also their debut CD on Magna Carta. Altura are a bit heavier than LV. Jerry From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Tue Nov 26 14:43:37 1996 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:43:37 -0800 Subject: OFF/ plastic satan Message-ID: My plastic jesus will save me, it will! Please give all of yor money to the militant christians, please. Or you will be destroyed.... ..................JUST KIDDING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Nov 26 14:51:35 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:51:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Pope Message-ID: Bryan transcribes: >"The pope smokes dope, god gave him the grass. >The pope smokes dope, he likes to smoke in mass >The pope smokes dope, he's a groovy head yeah! Thanks for the lyrics. In fact there is a sound-bite sample of this song on the "John Lennon for president" WWW page: http://www.w2.com/docs2/c4/pres.html Martyn From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Nov 26 16:49:09 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 22:49:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection Message-ID: At 13:01 1996-11-26 +0100, you wrote: >hi > >I've bought a very cheap used HW CD called "Castle Masters Collection"... >...does anybody know the story behind the songs (when they were recorded, >why they don't appear on any album (maybe the do, but I haven't seen them >anywhere) why the sound quality is so poor etc) "Hash Cake '77", "Came Home" >and "Dealing with the Devil". >Some songs sounds like edited versions ,like the track "Masters of the >Universe" a live version with only one verse (is it called verse in >English?!?)...is this the way it is >or am I completely wrong... > >And one more... is there a HW FAQ somewhere??? > > -Daniel Wikdahl vad betalade du f?r den? i vilken aff?r fann du den? \\undrande - \\dreglande From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Tue Nov 26 19:58:14 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 01:58:14 +0100 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: tBS doing BOC Message-ID: Brad : >Of course Al knows the real motivation and I am at best, >guessing. John : >Well, I am guessing as well. Hey guys, I think Al must be having quite some fun, sitting in his corner, watching us trying to understand what's going on in his mind *grin* Cheers. Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Nov 27 00:52:54 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:52:54 +1000 Subject: BOC: Jacques Cousteau Message-ID: Does anyone know the significance (if any) of the following lyric from _Perfect Water_? Is it based on an actual event or report or story or whatever? What does it mean that JC hears bells in random order under water? "Do you know Jacques Cousteau when they said on the radio That he hears bells in random order, deep beneath the perfect water?" Pete. ObCD:*Club Ninja* - try just focusing on Buck's guitar work, it's brilliant throughout! ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Gonna buy a fast car, put on my lead boots and take a long, long drive. I may end up spending all my money, but I'll still be alive." - The Who From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Nov 27 01:56:20 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:56:20 +1100 Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > Daniel Wikdahl writes: > > > hi > > > > I've bought a very cheap used HW CD called "Castle Masters Collection"... > > ...does anybody know the story behind the songs (when they were recorded, > > why they don't appear on any album (maybe the do, but I haven't seen them > > anywhere) why the sound quality is so poor etc) "Hash Cake '77", "Came Home" > > and "Dealing with the Devil". > > 1991 Castle Masters Collection > Douglas in the Jungle > British Tribal Music > Quark, Strangeness, and Charm > Hurry on Sundown > The War > Master of the Universe > Hash Cake '77 > Came Home > Urban Guerilla > High Rise > Magnu > Silver Machine > World of Tiers > Dealing With The Devil > Ghost Dance > Motorhead > Spirit of the Age Strange, I've got a Castle Masters Colllection, and it's got a different track list. Can't remember, but I think both versions are in the codex, though. -Max Wilcox From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 27 05:20:29 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:20:29 GMT Subject: BOC: Jacques Cousteau Message-ID: On ons 27 nov 1996 15.52 "Peter Sondergeld" wrote: > ObCD:*Club Ninja* - try just focusing on Buck's guitar work, it's > brilliant throughout! Yes, I've often though it would have been a better album if they'd mixed out everything but Buck's guitar :) Cheers, Carl ObSong: Motorhead, "Stay Clean" :) From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 27 05:56:41 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:56:41 GMT Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection In-Reply-To: Daniel Wikdahl's message of Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:01:49 +0100 Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl writes: > hi > > I've bought a very cheap used HW CD called "Castle Masters Collection"... > ...does anybody know the story behind the songs (when they were recorded, > why they don't appear on any album (maybe the do, but I haven't seen them > anywhere) why the sound quality is so poor etc) "Hash Cake '77", "Came Home" > and "Dealing with the Devil". > Some songs sounds like edited versions ,like the track "Masters of the > Universe" a live version with only one verse (is it called verse in > English?!?)...is this the way it is > or am I completely wrong... > > And one more... is there a HW FAQ somewhere??? What you need to obtain this sort of info is the Codex. If you can't ftp it, email me for a copy. > > -Daniel Wikdahl Cheers FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 27 06:10:12 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:10:12 GMT Subject: latest codex - FAO Paul Message-ID: I have a codex amended for a few errors eagle eyed hawkfans spotted in the latest release. I tried to upload it to Paul's site but don't seem to have the necessary permissions. FoFP From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Nov 27 06:36:16 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 12:36:16 +0100 Subject: BOC: Album name Message-ID: >Waiting For Godot is a play by Sam Beckett where two vagrants, Vladimir >and Estragon (from memory) spend their lives waiting in the same spot >for this Godot bloke. "Waiting For Godot" is now a euphemism for waiting >indefinatly. The "joke" in the play is, he *never* comes. The joke in >the album title, I assume, is : here it is at last. i.e. this is what >you've waited for, for so long. >-- >Jon Browne > > I was making a little joke here... I haven't heard anywhere that the album title is going to be "Godot"... but as a matter of fact I think it's a very good idea... maybe one of you AOL'ers on the list that chats with the band can pass the suggestion to them! :-) No hard feelings... I hope ?!?! -Daniel Wikdahl ps "Does to pope shit in the wood?" the Obsessed ds "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 27 08:49:09 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:49:09 -0500 Subject: BOC: Album name Message-ID: Dan writes: > I was making a little joke here... I haven't heard anywhere that the album title is going to be "Godot"... but as a matter of fact I think it's a very good idea... maybe one of you AOL'ers on the list that chats with the band can pass the suggestion to them! :-) No hard feelings... I hope ?!?! ooh, you dirty bastard you . . . ;-) (no hard feelings) Actually Dan, that was a good one - and gullible BOC fan that I am, I fell for it hook, line, and sinker. I even e-mailed Bolle and asked him about it - his response was "Don't believe everything you read". No, no hard feelings here -- I thought about suggesting to you that if you wanted us to know you were joking, you should've added a smiley, but I don't want to start *THAT* discussion here again (BOC-L old-timers know what I mean). As far as it being a good idea, well, it is sort of a humorous take on the fact that we've been (and will continue to be) waiting for some time for this album. But, other than a little inside joke among BOC fans, the title has little value, and probably wouldn't have any appeal to anyone outside the shrinking circle of current BOC fans. On the other hand, "Ezekiel's Wheel" presents a potentially more powerful symbolism and I think a catchier title to the public at large. John ObCD: The Brain Surgeons, *Box of Hammers* (Earthquake boogie . . .) From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Nov 27 10:09:23 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 01:09:23 +1000 Subject: BOC: Album name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Nov 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > In message <199611261336.IAA29607 at mbunix.mitre.org>, John A Swartz > writes > >Well, don't know what the significance of "Godot" with BOC and the new > >stuff is, I just hope that they don't release an album with an all-black > >cover . . . > > > >John > Waiting For Godot is a play by Sam Beckett where two vagrants, Vladimir > and Estragon (from memory) spend their lives waiting in the same spot > for this Godot bloke. "Waiting For Godot" is now a euphemism for waiting > indefinatly. The "joke" in the play is, he *never* comes. The joke in > the album title, I assume, is : here it is at last. i.e. this is what > you've waited for, for so long. > -- > Jon Browne > Either that or the dude who started this rumour has a very keen sense of humour, and "the jokes on you". It wont come! Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Nov 27 10:29:53 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 01:29:53 +1000 Subject: BOC: Album name In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961127113616.00907658@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > >Waiting For Godot is a play by Sam Beckett where two vagrants, Vladimir > >and Estragon (from memory) spend their lives waiting in the same spot > >for this Godot bloke. "Waiting For Godot" is now a euphemism for waiting > >indefinatly. The "joke" in the play is, he *never* comes. The joke in > >the album title, I assume, is : here it is at last. i.e. this is what > >you've waited for, for so long. > >-- > >Jon Browne > > > > > I was making a little joke here... I haven't heard anywhere that > the album title is going to be "Godot"... but as a matter of fact > I think it's a very good idea... maybe one of you AOL'ers on the list > that chats with the band can pass the suggestion to them! :-) > No hard feelings... I hope ?!?! > > -Daniel Wikdahl HA! You are the best! I cant believe some dudes actually fell for it! I THINK that we should start a new BOC thread: Stupid names for the next BOC album. Here is mine: "Cultosaurus soft-on". or "secret frisbees". Troy Mycket bra! From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 27 09:30:34 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:30:34 +0000 Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection In-Reply-To: <9611261811.aa28325@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Dear Jill, I've seen this in Cambridge. Do you want it picked up for you, if it's still in HMV? Yours, Jon /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 27 09:38:30 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:38:30 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Pope In-Reply-To: <009ABF26.D7261260.9@marywood1.marywood.edu> Message-ID: Since Brian posted the lyrics for `The Pope Smokes Dope', I feel (almost) entirely justified in doing this... THE NOT VERY GOOD INTERVAL BAND - `THE POPE WEARS RUBBER AND HE DRINKS FRESH MILK' The Pope a milky Catholic That's what they call him And he's also into rubber-wear And it is a sin Semi-skimmed and pasteurised That's what he prefers And he likes it served fresh by a rubber-clad nurse The Pope wears rubber and he drinks fresh milk He's a secret night-clubber and a raving lesbo lover The Pope wears rubber and he drinks fresh milk And I should know because he told me so He's a soapy rubber dubber and a honky-tonky scrubber In a slinky little number swimming up the river Hubba The Pope wears rubber and he drinks fresh milk, He drinks fresh milk, from a cup! Now don't you try him on some stuff That's gone off over-night The Pope he knows his right from wrong, He'll drop you from a height He'll drag you off by the heels Down to the local dairy And drown you in a vat of cheese While shouting `Hail Mary'! The Pope wears rubber and he drinks fresh milk He's a secret night-clubber and a raving lesbo lover The Pope wears rubber and he drinks fresh milk And I should know because he told me so He's a soapy rubber dubber and a honky-tonky scrubber In a slinky little number swimming up the river Hubba The Pope wears rubber and he drinks fresh milk, He drinks fresh milk, from a cup! Because it's better than sucking it out of the cow now, isn't it kids? /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"There is a certain pleasure in being mad, which none but madmen know"| \______________________________________________________________________/ From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Wed Nov 27 10:04:43 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Clore (NO JUNK E-MAIL)) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 07:04:43 -0800 Subject: BOC: album title Message-ID: Hey, I liked _Godot_ as title-- But then, I've just been reading Beckett-- I propose another Beckett reference instead. They should name the album after his novel, _The Unnameable_. Agreed? Dan Clore. From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Wed Nov 27 10:43:18 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:43:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: The Pope Message-ID: Of course there's the Meatmen album 'Pope on a Rope'. The cover illustration is an upshot of the Pope with a noose around his neck ready to drop... Christian From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 27 11:59:42 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:59:42 GMT Subject: Castle Masters Collection Message-ID: Here's a cull from the codex showing where the tracks came from. Mostly it's a compilation from Weird Tapes, singles, or from the same live tapes used for The Hawkwind Anthology/Acid Daze compilations. FoFP British Tribal Music 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I 1a Castle Masters Collection Cake Out L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II {Hash Cake '77} L 1 a Castle Masters Collection {Hash Cake '77} Came Home 1 Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 1 Castle Masters Collection Dealing With The Devil 1 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 1 Castle Masters Collection Douglas In The Jungle 1 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords 1 Castle Masters Collection Ghost Dance L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 1 Castle Masters Collection [CD only] High Rise 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals 1 b Castle Masters Collection Hurry On Sundown L 2 In The Beginning L 2 a Weird 106 - Hawkwind Live 1970-73 L 2 a Castle Masters Collection Magnu L 2 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 2 Castle Masters Collection Master Of The Universe L 12 Motorway City/ Master of the Universe 7" L 12 Castle Masters Collection Motorhead 2 Motorhead/ Valium 10 12" single 2 Castle Masters Collection Quark, Strangeness, and Charm L 2 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 2 Castle Masters Collection Silver Machine L 9 Silver Machine/Magnu 7" L 9 Castle Masters Collection Spirit Of The Age L 6 Live '79 L 6 Castle Masters Collection Urban Guerilla L 4 Castle Masters Collection L 4 a Shot Down In The Night / Urban Guerilla 7" Who's Gonna Win The War? L 4 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 4 Castle Masters Collection {The War} World Of Tiers L 3 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 3 Castle Masters Collection From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Nov 27 13:39:25 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:39:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Pope Message-ID: His Holiness Pope John Paul II Karol Wojtyla born May 18, 1920 at Wadowice, Poland Ordained a Priest, November 1, 1946 Consecrated Bishop, September 28, 1958 Invested into the Cardinalate, June 28, 1967 Elected the 264th Successor to the Apostle St. Peter On October 16, 1978 and chose the name John Paul II HOBBIES: Smoking dope, drinking fresh milk, rubber-wear From skarsol at EROLS.COM Wed Nov 27 12:09:56 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:09:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection Message-ID: Max Wilcox wrote: > > Strange, I've got a Castle Masters Colllection, and it's got a > different track list. Can't remember, but I think both versions are in > the codex, though. > -Max Wilcox i may be wrong,but are you referring to the castle-released hw anthology,the three disk set in the blue sleeve box,with the robot-hand holding the word anthology tween finger and thumb?if so,its not the same title.it is called "hawkwind anthology",and is basically selected tracks from the samurai anthologies,levitation,live chronicles,xenon,space bandits,and some others,maybe.with a nice little booklet. i got this used,but in mint condition,for 15 dollars. i celebrated. if this is not what you mean,apologies. rj From ABrevard at SHL.COM Wed Nov 27 17:41:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:41:00 -0700 Subject: BOC: Album Name Message-ID: >I've just recieved some BOC news... the new CD is not going to be called >Ezekiels Wheel ... the name they have right now is "Godot". > -Daniel Wikdahl Howls! Very appropriate for an album several years in the making. Seriously though is there any word on who has been commissioned to do the cover art? An interpretation of Ezekials vision similar to the Secret Treaties cover holds some fascinating possibilites. Also beyond Harvest Moon, See You In Black, X-Ray Eyes and Live 4 You, what other tracks have been mentioned for inclusion? Saw the band this past October (Jaxx) and X-Ray eyes had a prog metal feel to it; I like this song a great deal. Sorry if this is redundant but I haven't kept up with all the digests. AB obcd - Gary Hoey's new one (if I can find it). From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Nov 27 15:52:00 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 07:52:00 +1100 Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection Message-ID: skarsol wrote: > i may be wrong,but are you referring to the castle-released hw > anthology,the three disk set in the blue sleeve box,with the robot-hand > holding the word anthology tween finger and thumb?if so,its not the same > title.it is called "hawkwind anthology",and is basically selected tracks > from the samurai anthologies,levitation,live chronicles,xenon,space > bandits,and some others,maybe.with a nice little booklet. > i got this used,but in mint condition,for 15 dollars. i celebrated. > if this is not what you mean,apologies. rj Actually, I believe it's my fault. What I was refering to was "Hawkwind: The Collection", produced by Castle Communications. Don't know if anyone's got this, but most of the songs sound as if they're on the castle masters collection. Here's the track list anyway... 1. Silver Machine (Live) 2. Born to Go 3. Dealing with the Devil 4. Urban Guerilla 5. Master of the Universe 6. Who's Gonna Win the War 7. Hash Cake `77 8. Motorhead 9. Quark Strangeness & Charm 10. Douglas in the Jungle 11. Space is Deep 12. Bring it on Home 13. Earth Calling 14. Angels of Death 15. Spirit of the Age This reminds me, two of the songs on this CD seem to be covers of other bands - Dealing with the Devil(S.Williamson) & Bring it on Home (W.Dixon). Is this the case? The writers of these songs are not familar. -Max Wilcox From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 27 16:11:28 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson EL84) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:11:28 EDT Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection Message-ID: 85. Spirit of the Age > > This reminds me, two of the songs on this CD seem to be covers of other > bands - Dealing with the Devil(S.Williamson) & Bring it on Home > (W.Dixon). Is this the case? The writers of these songs are not familar. > > -Max Wilcox They sure are! Or is this another hoax? S.Williamson is Sonny Boy Williamson and W. Dixon is Willie Dixon, two of THE godfathers of blues music... theo From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Nov 27 17:09:59 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 09:09:59 +1100 Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection Message-ID: On 28 Nov 96 at 7:52, Max Wilcox wrote: > Actually, I believe it's my fault. What I was refering to > was > "Hawkwind: The Collection", produced by Castle Communications. Don't > know if anyone's got this, but most of the songs sound as if they're > on the castle masters collection. Here's the track list anyway... I've got that too .... very rarely listen to it though. If we are talking about the same release, it's got a skull and various instruments (synth, guitar etc) on the cover in front of a starfield. Paul From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Nov 27 17:16:53 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:16:53 -0500 Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection Message-ID: On 27-NOV-1996 16:54:28.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >skarsol wrote: >> i may be wrong,but are you referring to the castle-released hw >> anthology,the three disk set in the blue sleeve box,with the >robot-hand > holding the word anthology tween finger and thumb?if >so,its not the same > title.it is called "hawkwind anthology",and is >basically selected tracks > from the samurai >anthologies,levitation,live chronicles,xenon,space > bandits,and some >others,maybe.with a nice little booklet. > i got this used,but in mint >condition,for 15 dollars. i celebrated. > if this is not what you >mean,apologies. rj >Actually, I believe it's my fault. What I was refering to was >"Hawkwind: The Collection", produced by Castle Communications. Don't >know if anyone's got this, but most of the songs sound as if they're on >the castle masters collection. Here's the track list anyway... >1. Silver Machine (Live) >2. Born to Go >3. Dealing with the Devil >4. Urban Guerilla >5. Master of the Universe >6. Who's Gonna Win the War >7. Hash Cake `77 >8. Motorhead >9. Quark Strangeness & Charm >10. Douglas in the Jungle >11. Space is Deep >12. Bring it on Home >13. Earth Calling >14. Angels of Death >15. Spirit of the Age >This reminds me, two of the songs on this CD seem to be covers of oth >er >bands - Dealing with the Devil(S.Williamson) & Bring it on Home >(W.Dixon). Is this the case? The writers of these songs are not familar. >-Max Wilcox I have this CD, but not the Castle Masters thing. Doesn't seem to be much difference, though. And the vinyl version of the Collection has three extra songs not put on the CD. I've always assumed S. Williamson is "Sonny-Boy Williamson", the old blues artist? Bring It On Home is by Willie Dixon (who died a few years back). Led Zep do a less faithful rendition of the song... Chuck `[1;37;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Wed Nov 27 17:21:37 1996 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:21:37 -0500 Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection Message-ID: Max sez: >>>>>> This reminds me, two of the songs on this CD seem to be covers of other bands - Dealing with the Devil(S.Williamson) & Bring it on Home (W.Dixon). Is this the case? The writers of these songs are not familar. >>>>>> Don't listen to the blues enough then !! Sonny Boy Williamson (probably the elder I imagine) and Willie Dixon who wrote a good chunk of Muddy Waters catalog, and enough classic blues songs to keep those royalty checks from the Stones/Zep/Yardbirds/you-name-it rolling in. (doubt he made much off of Dave Brocks version though ;-) ) Strictly these are pre-Hawkwind tracks I believe. Cheers, Steve L. From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Nov 27 16:31:17 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 08:31:17 +1100 Subject: OFF: Tentacles of the Ozric variety Message-ID: I just got a hold of the Cleopatra compilation: "Space Daze" and I must say that amongst all of the great songs on it, one that stood out is the Ozric Tentacles' "Sploosh!". I heard someone mention a couple of days ago that they'd gone down the plug-hole recently. Is this true? I haven't heard anything else from them, are they worth checking out? Which album does Sploosh! come from? Thanks... -Max Wilcox From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Nov 27 16:32:40 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 08:32:40 +1100 Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection Message-ID: Ted Jackson EL84 wrote: > They sure are! Or is this another hoax? S.Williamson is Sonny Boy > Williamson and W. Dixon is Willie Dixon, two of THE godfathers of > blues music... > theo I thought these songs might be left overs from Dave's blues buskin' days... -Max Wilcox From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Nov 27 16:49:33 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 08:49:33 +1100 Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection Message-ID: Paul G Ward wrote: > > On 28 Nov 96 at 7:52, Max Wilcox wrote: > > > Actually, I believe it's my fault. What I was refering to > > was > > "Hawkwind: The Collection", produced by Castle Communications. Don't > > know if anyone's got this, but most of the songs sound as if they're > > on the castle masters collection. Here's the track list anyway... > > I've got that too .... very rarely listen to it though. If we are > talking about the same release, it's got a skull and various > instruments (synth, guitar etc) on the cover in front of a starfield. > > Paul That's the one. It was actually one of the first HW CDs I ever got. Not the best first HW to get, I'd say. Actually, this sounds like an opening to ask other people what their first HW albums were, if that sounds like an interesting thread. That, or what album would people suggest to someone who'd never listened to HW before, as a first album to listen to. I'd say Space Ritual. -Max Wilcox From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Nov 27 17:53:52 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 22:53:52 UT Subject: BOC: Album Name Message-ID: >Also beyond >Harvest Moon, See You In Black, X-Ray Eyes and Live 4 You, what other >tracks have been mentioned for inclusion? "Hammerback", "Real World", "Dangers", plus several titles which are familiar, even if the songs aren't. (Merci, Jean-Luc!) - Andy From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Nov 27 18:17:47 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 10:17:47 +1100 Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection Message-ID: On 28 Nov 96 at 8:49, Max Wilcox wrote: > Actually, this sounds like an opening to ask other people > what their first HW albums were, if that sounds like an > interesting thread. Well, it's that long ago that I can't remember the first I actually bought ... it was either Space Ritual or Quark I think. The first HW track I ever heard was "Robot" from PXR-5 .... on the radio one night back in 79. I had the above two albums within a few weeks of that night! As far as suggesting a HW album for a newbie, that's damn hard ... it depends so much on their current tastes. SR, HotMG, Quark, Live 79, Levitation, CotBS or Palace Springs are the (IMO) best entry points depending on who we are talking about. I usually just lend someone the Griffin "25 Years" box these days if they are interested in finding out who HW are! Paul From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Nov 27 18:39:33 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 09:39:33 +1000 Subject: BOC: Jacques Cousteau Message-ID: At 10:20 AM 27/11/96 +0000, you wrote: >On ons 27 nov 1996 15.52 "Peter Sondergeld" >wrote: >> ObCD:*Club Ninja* - try just focusing on Buck's guitar work, it's >> brilliant throughout! > > Yes, I've often though it would have been a better album if they'd >mixed out everything but Buck's guitar :) > >Cheers, >Carl > >ObSong: Motorhead, "Stay Clean" :) Jeeez! You try to help some people and look what happens... And I thought for sure someone would know about random aqua-bells. Pete ;) From skarsol at EROLS.COM Wed Nov 27 14:54:50 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 19:54:50 +0000 Subject: OFF: Tentacles of the Ozric variety Message-ID: Max Wilcox wrote: > > I just got a hold of the Cleopatra compilation: "Space Daze" and I must > say that amongst all of the great songs on it, one that stood out is the > Ozric Tentacles' "Sploosh!". I heard someone mention a couple of days > ago that they'd gone down the plug-hole recently. Is this true? I > haven't heard anything else from them, are they worth checking out? > Which album does Sploosh! come from? > Thanks... > -Max Wilcox sploosh is from 'strangetude.' when i first heard ozrics,i flipped and bought it all. i regret it,as its all much the same.imo,all ya need is 'afterswish',which has a good assortment of the music.i have seen OT three times,and each show was nearly identical,despite new material, and changing line-up. i still like them,the music is good,and so is the spirit. i just think you only need so much,like maybe buy a disc,play it out,then trade it for a new one? rj From Mondello1 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 27 21:05:39 1996 From: Mondello1 at AOL.COM (Steven Defoe) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 21:05:39 -0500 Subject: BOC remastered Message-ID: Hi - I'm new to the list.. Any idea when/if remastered versions of the earliest BOC albums might become available? I'm eye-balling a 3 cd set for $18.99, but I'll hold out for state of the art sound if I know that its coming... Delurking, Steve Defoe From chrisr at TIAC.NET Wed Nov 27 22:31:44 1996 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 22:31:44 -0500 Subject: HW: Dangerous Visions Message-ID: Hello all, I have a couple of questions that I have pondering for a number of years. I am sure these are easily answered. First who does the vocal on Dangerous Visions and Running Thru' The Back Brain. On the CD it lists Dave, Nik and Keith Hayle as vocals. Is it Keith on both tracks? The codex indicates these are studio tracks. Secondly, I remember a question came up a few months ago regarding Chalice Of Stars; is it a meaningless reference meant to throw us off? Also on the version of Seven By Seven on the Lord Of Light and Stasis CDs (codex 1b version) is that Mr. Calvert on vocals? I get chills when I hear Dave's lead guitar part on that song. For that matter, Chronoglide Skyway from the Wierd Tapes is very emotional for me, It hits me pretty deep. I had better stop now. Thanks for having a forum to ask these kinds of questions, and also to answer them. Chris -- No more to cry o' mortal soul, the astral path is now your fortuitous role.(HW - Seven By Seven) From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu Nov 28 14:54:50 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 14:54:50 EST Subject: HW: Dangerous Visions In-Reply-To: <329D07A0.165B@tiac.net>; from "Chris Raymond" at Nov 28, 96 10:31:44 pm Message-ID: > Hi Chris > Hello all, I have a couple of questions that I have pondering for a > number of years. I am sure these are easily answered. First who does the > vocal on Dangerous Visions and Running Thru' The Back Brain. On the CD > it lists Dave, Nik and Keith Hayle as vocals. Is it Keith on both > tracks? The codex indicates these are studio tracks. Keith sings Dangerous visions,and Mike Moorcock sings running thru' etc. > Secondly, I remember a question came up a few months ago regarding > Chalice Of Stars; is it a meaningless reference meant to throw us off? Dont know ? > Also on the version of Seven By Seven on the Lord Of Light and Stasis > CDs (codex 1b version) is that Mr. Calvert on vocals? I get chills when > I hear Dave's lead guitar part on that song. For that matter, Dave sings the main part and Bob recites,the seven signs etc bit. > Chronoglide Skyway from the Wierd Tapes is very emotional for me, It > hits me pretty deep. I had better stop now. Thanks for having a forum to > ask these kinds of questions, and also to answer them. Well never seen them play that song ,but spirit of the age has the same effect for me. Hope these help. regards Marty From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Thu Nov 28 03:45:15 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 08:45:15 -0000 Subject: OFF: Tentacles of the Ozric variety sort of Message-ID: Max, I have only one Ozrics CD, Arborescense. I have enjoyed listening to this many a time. I have been advised that "that's not real Ozrics material, it's crap" but I would advise anyone who is into HW and the like to give it a listen. I have listened to a variety of their other albums but this one suits my taste the best. I would also advise listening to Senser's album "Stacked Up" as this is totally unlike HW or BOC or Ozrics etc. In all likelyhood you will hate it (I did) for about the first 5 or 6 plays. Then one day, as if by magic, it suddenly becomes amazingly good. Strange but true. Mike P. ---------- From: Max Wilcox[SMTP:s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 1996 09:31 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF: Tentacles of the Ozric variety I just got a hold of the Cleopatra compilation: "Space Daze" and I must say that amongst all of the great songs on it, one that stood out is the Ozric Tentacles' "Sploosh!". I heard someone mention a couple of days ago that they'd gone down the plug-hole recently. Is this true? I haven't heard anything else from them, are they worth checking out? Which album does Sploosh! come from? 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Sonny Boy Williamson and Willie Dixon are two of the foremost purveyors of that musical genre - legends, one might almost say.... M. On Thu, 28 Nov 1996, Max Wilcox wrote: > skarsol wrote: > > i may be wrong,but are you referring to the castle-released hw > > anthology,the three disk set in the blue sleeve box,with the robot-hand > > holding the word anthology tween finger and thumb?if so,its not the same > > title.it is called "hawkwind anthology",and is basically selected tracks > > from the samurai anthologies,levitation,live chronicles,xenon,space > > bandits,and some others,maybe.with a nice little booklet. > > i got this used,but in mint condition,for 15 dollars. i celebrated. > > if this is not what you mean,apologies. rj > > Actually, I believe it's my fault. What I was refering to was > "Hawkwind: The Collection", produced by Castle Communications. Don't > know if anyone's got this, but most of the songs sound as if they're on > the castle masters collection. Here's the track list anyway... > > 1. Silver Machine (Live) > 2. Born to Go > 3. Dealing with the Devil > 4. Urban Guerilla > 5. Master of the Universe > 6. Who's Gonna Win the War > 7. Hash Cake `77 > 8. Motorhead > 9. Quark Strangeness & Charm > 10. Douglas in the Jungle > 11. Space is Deep > 12. Bring it on Home > 13. Earth Calling > 14. Angels of Death > 15. Spirit of the Age > > This reminds me, two of the songs on this CD seem to be covers of other > bands - Dealing with the Devil(S.Williamson) & Bring it on Home > (W.Dixon). Is this the case? The writers of these songs are not familar. > > -Max Wilcox > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 28 05:02:36 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 10:02:36 +0000 Subject: HW: 1st Album In-Reply-To: <329CB76D.7C7E@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: > Actually, this sounds like an opening to ask other people what their >first HW albums were, if that sounds like an interesting thread. That, >or what album would people suggest to someone who'd never listened to HW >before, as a first album to listen to. I'd say Space Ritual. > >-Max Wilcox Mine was Warrior On The Edge Of Time in 1978. I was a 13 year old punk rocker. It changed my life. I was reading Moorcock books and had seen there was a connection. A mate of mine had a tape but didn't listen to it. I borrowed it. I thought it was amazing the first time I heard it. I told the guy to give it another listen. Over the next three months we both grew our hair and lost all our mates. I got laughed out of my local "punk disco" for putting Jack Of Shadows on! So we started going uptown (London) from the suburbs. Saw plenty of great shows. ICU supporting Hawkwind. Psychedelic Furs supporting ICU. That great Hawkwind all dayer with the Androids of Mu, Wah! Heat, ICU, The Lightning Raiders etc. The Levitation shows where Ginger Baker did a half-hour drum solo in the middle of Brainstorm, (I'm just going to the bar, I won't be long!). When I was sixteen, I cut my hair. I'm a punk again, no more hippie- shit. Then I went to Stonehenge........ -- Jon Browne From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Thu Nov 28 06:14:48 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 11:14:48 -0000 Subject: 1st Album Message-ID: Hall of the Mountain Grill, Before which I listened to (ahem....face reddens) AC/DC & Nugent & Neil Young. I still listen to Neil however. Mike P ---------- From: Jon Browne[SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: Thursday, November 28, 1996 10:02 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW: 1st Album > Actually, this sounds like an opening to ask other people what their >first HW albums were, if that sounds like an interesting thread. That, >or what album would people suggest to someone who'd never listened to HW >before, as a first album to listen to. I'd say Space Ritual. > >-Max Wilcox Mine was Warrior On The Edge Of Time in 1978. I was a 13 year old punk rocker. It changed my life. I was reading Moorcock books and had seen there was a connection. A mate of mine had a tape but didn't listen to it. I borrowed it. I thought it was amazing the first time I heard it. I told the guy to give it another listen. Over the next three months we both grew our hair and lost all our mates. I got laughed out of my local "punk disco" for putting Jack Of Shadows on! So we started going uptown (London) from the suburbs. Saw plenty of great shows. ICU supporting Hawkwind. Psychedelic Furs supporting ICU. That great Hawkwind all dayer with the Androids of Mu, Wah! 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It's been done, but it's a fair enough multiple-repeat :) First HW I ever heard was _Xenon Codex_ which my old mate Ben Cash (once of this list, long ago) got on cassette. He had joined boc-l for the BOC content and thought all this "Hawkwind" stuff sounded interesting. We though _XC_ was pretty keen :) But the first HW I properly heard was _Palace Springs_, since I found the CD going cheap second-hand and remembered that that "Hawkwind" stuff I had heard had been pretty cool. This was rapidly followed by _Hall of the Mountain Grill_ which was also going cheap. And then, between the mighty onslaught of "Assault & Battery/Golden Void" and "Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke)", there was no escape. Before long I had a taped copy of Space Ritual--this was back in the days not-so-long-ago when we believed it would *never* be issued on CD, much less *remastered*. Ah, it was the bass ritual, and it sealed my fate :) And now I'm very poor, but I have lots of Hawkwind (and some cool musical instruments) and I can't say I would do it any differently if I could :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Thu Nov 28 07:20:10 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 13:20:10 +0100 Subject: HW: 1st Album Message-ID: I got into Hawkwind the dorky way, via Elric of course - after consuming about 40 Moorcock paperbacks. First Comics were adapting the books into comics, and there were references to Hawkwind in the lettercollumns and I got real curious. This was around '88 or '89 and I was in my first year of high school. At this point, my favorite music was fairly diverse within rock: AC/DC, Doors, Queen, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd and Ramones. But I had an aversion to straight metal (I place AC/DC firmly within trad. blues-rock, thankyou), but lo and behold, I found the Flicknife CD of Chronicle of The Black Sword!! I wasn't overly impressed, but it grew on me - it was, after all, Elric... and I was a pimply kid! Beyond that, I decided to pick up In Search of Space - this blew me away and I could hardly believe it was the same band... then things get hazy, but my earliest HW records after that were ASAM, Quark, Strangeness & Charm, Xenon Codex, and PXR5 (I had a thing for the Calvert stuff and still do!), and British Tribal Music I picked up because it had a cool title, great design... and I thought it was an actual album... Now, I, like many others on this list, live in poverty with at least 50 Hawkwind records (not much compared to some of you!!) and I'll ramble on about Hawkwind to anybody whenever I lose control of myself. When I die, I want to be buried with all my HW stuff, and I want my funeral music to be either 'Born to Go' or perhaps 'Wind of Change', depending on whether I have a sense of humor or if I'm overly sentimental when I write my will... Hawkwind was probably the band that 'broke' my tastes in modern music beyond just rock and into uncharted territory... Christian From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 28 07:28:59 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 12:28:59 GMT Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's message of Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:56:20 +1100 Message-ID: Max Wilcox writes: > Strange, I've got a Castle Masters Colllection, and it's got a > different track list. Can't remember, but I think both versions are in > the codex, though. I think I'd better say that the Castle Masters collection CD I was looking for has the same picture as the single vinyl album but the vinyl album has fewer tracks. I'm doing this from memory since I forgot to check last night but the picture on the album sleeve is a black and white heads-only photo of the band at an early stage of their career. I think there are 4 or 5 people in the photo and there's a wide light blue coloured filigree border around the photo that fills the rest of the front cover. I've only ever seen this CD once and that was in someone else's collection! However I'll try to remember to check in Ron Godwin's book tonight to make sure I'm remembering this correctly. Thanks all! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Thu Nov 28 07:48:40 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 13:48:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection Message-ID: >Max Wilcox writes: > >> Strange, I've got a Castle Masters Colllection, and it's got a >> different track list. Can't remember, but I think both versions are in >> the codex, though. > > >I think I'd better say that the Castle Masters collection CD I was >looking for has the same picture as the single vinyl album but the >vinyl album has fewer tracks. I'm doing this from memory since I >forgot to check last night but the picture on the album sleeve is a >black and white heads-only photo of the band at an early stage of >their career. I think there are 4 or 5 people in the photo and there's >a wide light blue coloured filigree border around the photo that fills >the rest of the front cover. I've only ever seen this CD once and that >was in someone else's collection! > >However I'll try to remember to check in Ron Godwin's book tonight to >make sure I'm remembering this correctly. > >Thanks all! > >jill > >=========================================================================== >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's one of the 80's line-ups with Langton. Christian From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Nov 28 07:12:22 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 23:12:22 +1100 Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection Message-ID: dench wrote: > > This obviously shows that some Hawkwind fans have not had a good grounding > in blues. Sonny Boy Williamson and Willie Dixon are two of the foremost > purveyors of that musical genre - legends, one might almost say.... > > M. Sad, but true. I must say that my personal background is in more of the Jazz(ish) guitarists such as Django Reinhardt. My blues background extends little further than Leadbelly and such... -Max Wilcox From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 28 08:57:56 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 21:57:56 +0800 Subject: OFF: Tentacles of the Ozric variety Message-ID: Max Wilcox wrote: > > I just got a hold of the Cleopatra compilation: "Space Daze" and I must > say that amongst all of the great songs on it, one that stood out is the > Ozric Tentacles' "Sploosh!". I heard someone mention a couple of days > ago that they'd gone down the plug-hole recently. Is this true? I > haven't heard anything else from them, are they worth checking out? A recent issue of the UK mag "Sound on Sound", possibly still the current one, has an interview with the band, where they also talk about their influences (Hawkwind, etc..). As it is a fairly recent interview then, if they have split, it would have only very recently happened. It does say, however, that two of their members, who have a splinter group called Eat Static, had recently left to carry on the other band (an electronic band) full time. I saw them as support for Hawkwind when I was in the UK on holiday in 89. They were excellent. A track by them appears on the "Travellers Aid Trust" album. William From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Thu Nov 28 08:59:58 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 13:59:58 GMT Subject: 1st Album Message-ID: Like many, I was influenced by my older brother's music collection, which included 'Sonic Attack'. Pretty weird stuff for a 14 year old, used to listening to Saxon, Iron Maiden and Rainbow. I wasn't too impressed with HW after SA, so ignored them until I got to university, where the guy next door played 'Live Chronicles' ALL the time. After that, the inevitable, addictive Space Ritual and XISOS. From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Nov 28 10:05:17 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 01:05:17 +1000 Subject: BOC remastered In-Reply-To: <961127210538_638392950@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Steven Defoe wrote: > Hi - I'm new to the list.. Welcome, Steve. :) > > Any idea when/if remastered versions of the earliest BOC albums might become > available? No idea. But hasnt OYFOOYK been remastered? > > I'm eye-balling a 3 cd set for $18.99, but I'll hold out for state of the art > sound if I know that its coming... > Just buy it anyway! Get them all! :) L8r, Troy From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 28 09:11:52 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 14:11:52 +0000 Subject: HW: First album I got In-Reply-To: <329CB76D.7C7E@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: First one I got was the Spirit of the Age comp., on the grounds that (a) it had Silver Machine on it, which I knew, (b) it was on tape, so I could play it, and was the only HW tape in the shop, and (c), it was only ?6.49. Not a bad choice, although the concentration on `Levitation' tracks left me a little unprepared for `Space Ritual' when Carl and I finally met... I don't think the Levitation stuff is as bad as some people on BOC-L do, but it is prog-rock, not BLANGA. Whether it's proper HW or just Dave doing homage to Huw is something for other people to discuss... Yours, Jon /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 28 09:40:05 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 22:40:05 +0800 Subject: HW: 1st Album Message-ID: Back in the 70's I heard the Pink Floyd track "Echoes", which was the kind of music I had never really heard done by a rock band, however, other tracks by Pink Floyd, good as they are, never stirred the same emotions. I then searched for other bands, and came across Tangerine Dream, who almost recreated that feeling. Then, one evening, I was listening to the radio (YES. THE RADIO), and heard what the announcer said was a rare piece of music by a band called Hawkwind. The track(s) they played were "Countdown" and "Born to Go". I then rushed out the next day and bought their current release, "Roadhawks". It was brilliant, though the track I really wanted,"Countdown", was missing. I then bought "Space Ritual", then "Warrior on...", and so on. Christian Mumford wrote: > > Now, I, like many others on this list, > live in poverty with at least 50 Hawkwind records (not much compared to some of > you!!) and I'll ramble on about Hawkwind to anybody whenever I lose control > of myself. When I die, I want to be buried with all my HW stuff, and I want my > funeral music to be either 'Born to Go' or perhaps 'Wind of Change', depending > on whether I have a sense of humor or if I'm overly sentimental when I write > my will... Hawkwind was probably the band that 'broke' my tastes in modern music > beyond just rock and into uncharted territory... > > Christian Ditto. I also want their music played at my wedding (if it ever happens), and birthday parties. I had to suffer my 21st, when my brother insisted that nobody wants to listen to my racket, and then he spent the rest of the night playing Bee Gees, Village People, etc., etc. Anyway, I'm starting to ramble. Bye for now, William From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Thu Nov 28 09:49:50 1996 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 09:49:50 -0500 Subject: HW:Drum Solos Message-ID: Jon sez (amongst some other interesting reminiscing): > The > Levitation shows where Ginger Baker did a half-hour drum solo in the > middle of Brainstorm, (I'm just going to the bar, I won't be long!). > I'm sure 1/2 hour is a deliberate exageration, but even so I don't think I've heard any tapes with more than a couple of minutes, are there such superlong solos around ? I'd loev to get a copy if anybody has such shows ????? Steve L. - resident Baker nut From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Nov 28 06:05:16 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 11:05:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: Tentacles of the Ozric variety sort of Message-ID: Mike Parkington wrote: > > Max, > > I have only one Ozrics CD, Arborescense. I have enjoyed listening to this > many a time. I have been advised that "that's not real Ozrics material, > it's crap" but I would advise anyone who is into HW and the like to give it > a listen. I have listened to a variety of their other albums but this one > suits my taste the best. when this cd came out,i thot it was terrific.after ten or twelve listens,tho,i began to view it as typical ozrics. i am curious as to who would say this isn't real ozrics,or that it is crap.my guess is that it is someone who is miffed,at the absence of roly on bass.that is the only difference i've found between arborescence and the earlier material. some of the tracks have a slight rave/techno lean,which to me is disappointing,but the other tracks kick. rj From chrisr at TIAC.NET Thu Nov 28 10:13:33 1996 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 10:13:33 -0500 Subject: HW: Re 1st Album Message-ID: My first experience listening to Hawkwind was in the summer of 1976. It was Do Re Mi and I was very vulnerable to the large amount of psychedelics I had ingested. That album played nonstop for 18 hours! I have never been the same. It seems interesting to me that I have had this never ending fascination with this band for 20 years; over half of my life. I am not obsessed, I am not obsessed, I am not obsessed. Chris -- No more to cry o' mortal soul, the astral path is now your fortuitous role.(HW - Seven By Seven) From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Nov 28 06:13:08 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 11:13:08 +0000 Subject: HW: 1st Album Message-ID: the first hw track i ever heard,was sonic attack from space ritual. i was 16,it was 1982,and i had been looking for tripping tunes in the local used bin.i saw moorcocks name on the credits,and being an avid mm fan,bought it without hesitation.my allegiance to hw is directly credtitable to moorcock's involvement.i would not reccomend space ritual as a first experience to the average person(unless they are looking for freak-out tunes,or had already shown an interest in similar mind fog.) more,i would say levitation,hall of the mountain grill,or any of the more upbeat stuff.i've found that creating hw monsters is much easier if ya sneak up on them.... rj > > Actually, this sounds like an opening to ask other people what their > >first HW albums were, if that sounds like an interesting thread. That, > >or what album would people suggest to someone who'd never listened to HW > >before, as a first album to listen to. I'd say Space Ritual. > > From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Nov 28 06:15:12 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 11:15:12 +0000 Subject: HW: 1st Album Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > > Actually, this sounds like an opening to ask other people what their > > first HW albums were, if that sounds like an interesting thread. > > It's been done, but it's a fair enough multiple-repeat :) > > First HW I ever heard was _Xenon Codex_ which my old mate Ben Cash > (once of this list, long ago) got on cassette. He had joined boc-l for the > BOC content and thought all this "Hawkwind" stuff sounded interesting. We > though _XC_ was pretty keen :) > But the first HW I properly heard was _Palace Springs_, since I found > the CD going cheap second-hand and remembered that that "Hawkwind" stuff I > had heard had been pretty cool. This was rapidly followed by _Hall of the > Mountain Grill_ which was also going cheap. > > And then, between the mighty onslaught of "Assault & Battery/Golden > Void" and "Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke)", there was no escape. > Before long I had a taped copy of Space Ritual--this was back in the days > not-so-long-ago when we believed it would *never* be issued on CD, much > less *remastered*. Ah, it was the bass ritual, and it sealed my fate :) > > And now I'm very poor, but I have lots of Hawkwind (and some cool > musical instruments) and I can't say I would do it any differently if I > could :) > > Cheers, > Carl > beautiful,man,just beautiful! rj From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Nov 28 10:16:18 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Mikey pops) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 15:16:18 +0000 Subject: OFF: Tentacles of the Ozric variety sort of In-Reply-To: <01BBDD08.7AFB7F80@dhcp-3.tadpole.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Nov 1996, Mike Parkington wrote: > I would also advise listening to Senser's album > "Stacked Up" as this is totally unlike HW or BOC or Ozrics etc. In all > likelyhood you will hate it (I did) for about the first 5 or 6 plays. Then > one day, as if by magic, it suddenly becomes amazingly good. Strange but > true. > And Senser cannot be all bad as they give 'Respect and Thanks' to Hawkwind (as well as Ozrics, Beastie Boys, Eat Static, Rollins, Can, Faith No More, Mahavishnu Orchestra and Back to the Planet) Mike w From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Thu Nov 28 10:36:27 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 15:36:27 -0000 Subject: HW: 1st Album Message-ID: It's interesting that you attribute your initial interest in HW from being into Moorcock. I think that I got into each at more or less the same time, I don't know whether one led to the other or what. What I do know is that I can't listen to Doremi without visualising the Corum stories which I read whilst listening to Doremi virtually non-stop. Mike P ---------- From: skarsol[SMTP:skarsol at EROLS.COM] Sent: Thursday, November 28, 1996 11:13 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: 1st Album the first hw track i ever heard,was sonic attack from space ritual. i was 16,it was 1982,and i had been looking for tripping tunes in the local used bin.i saw moorcocks name on the credits,and being an avid mm fan,bought it without hesitation.my allegiance to hw is directly credtitable to moorcock's involvement.i would not reccomend space ritual as a first experience to the average person(unless they are looking for freak-out tunes,or had already shown an interest in similar mind fog.) more,i would say levitation,hall of the mountain grill,or any of the more upbeat stuff.i've found that creating hw monsters is much easier if ya sneak up on them.... rj > > Actually, this sounds like an opening to ask other people what their > >first HW albums were, if that sounds like an interesting thread. 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Olivier Via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Thu Nov 28 11:45:04 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 17:45:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Re 1st Album Message-ID: >My first experience listening to Hawkwind was in the summer of 1976. >It was Do Re Mi and I was very vulnerable to the large amount of >psychedelics I had ingested. That album played nonstop for 18 hours! I >have never been the same. It seems interesting to me that I have had >this never ending fascination with this band for 20 years; over half of >my life. I am not obsessed, I am not obsessed, I am not obsessed. >Chris Ah - Hawkwind, hallucinogenics & obsession.... is there any other combination? Christian From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 28 11:50:05 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 16:50:05 GMT Subject: HW:Drum Solos In-Reply-To: Stephen Lindsey's message of Thu, 28 Nov 1996 09:49:50 -0500 Message-ID: Stephen Lindsey writes: > Jon sez (amongst some other interesting reminiscing): > > > The > > Levitation shows where Ginger Baker did a half-hour drum solo in the > > middle of Brainstorm, (I'm just going to the bar, I won't be long!). > > > > I'm sure 1/2 hour is a deliberate exageration, but even so I don't think I've > heard any tapes with more than a couple of minutes, are there such superlong > solos around ? I'd loev to get a copy if anybody has such shows ????? The Edinburgh gig certainly featured at least ten minutes of drums. > Steve L. - resident Baker nut FoFP From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 28 12:10:03 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 01:10:03 +0800 Subject: HW: Re 1st Album Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > > Ah - Hawkwind, hallucinogenics & obsession.... is there any other combination? > > Christian My own first experience listening to Hawkwind was with TEA. I have never experimented with other drugs of any kind (and that includes alchohol), therefore I have always experienced Hawkwind cold! In the raw! I even know of other fans who are non-consumers of that particular entity. I can tell you, however, that we all have addictions of another kind. CD'S and Videos! I personally cannot afford any other form of addiction. Especially since I seem to be buying at least one new HW related CD each month!!! William From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 28 13:07:31 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 18:07:31 GMT Subject: OFF: Tentacles of the Ozric Message-ID: One of the more interesting Ozric offshoots is a tape by Nodens Ictus (why do I always get the feeling that this is an anagram of something?) - very clever and rather beautiful synth/keyboard work. Elegant music and quite unlike the usual Ozrics sound. And drifting further off topic yet - for those that have been disappointed with a mellowing of the rave sound of Astralasia's recent albums you can be reassured by Seven Pointed Star. It's far more energetic and powerful than any of the previous releases - at least the first 6 tracks are. The last two tracks are completely different. Jazz saxaphone comes closest I think. Strange band! jill obOnTopic> anyone know if Hawkwind are doing a pre-xmas Winter Solstice gig this year? ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Nov 28 13:25:27 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 13:25:27 -0500 Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection In-Reply-To: <9611281228.aa26165@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Jill writes: > I think I'd better say that the Castle Masters collection CD I was > looking for has the same picture as the single vinyl album but the > vinyl album has fewer tracks. I'm doing this from memory since I > forgot to check last night but the picture on the album sleeve is a > black and white heads-only photo of the band at an early stage of > their career. I think there are 4 or 5 people in the photo and there's > a wide light blue coloured filigree border around the photo that fills > the rest of the front cover. I've only ever seen this CD once and that > was in someone else's collection! I picked up the LP version for FoFP way back, and I'm sure the band photo was of the 80's lineup, i.e. Dave, Harvey, Huw, Danny Thompson, etc. They're all grinning like damn fools; a real mugshot of a picture, cheesy grins and all. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Brain Surgeons, _Box of Hammers_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Thu Nov 28 13:30:18 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 19:30:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Drugs (Re 1st Album) Message-ID: At 01:10 29.11.96 +0800, William Duffy wrote: >Christian Mumford wrote: >> >> Ah - Hawkwind, hallucinogenics & obsession.... is there any other combination? >> >> Christian > >My own first experience listening to Hawkwind was with TEA. I have never >experimented with other drugs of any kind (and that includes alchohol), >therefore I have always experienced Hawkwind cold! In the raw! > >I even know of other fans who are non-consumers of that particular >entity. I can tell you, however, that we all have addictions of another >kind. CD'S and Videos! I personally cannot afford any other form of >addiction. Especially since I seem to be buying at least one new HW >related CD each month!!! > >William Well, I haven't tripped in nearly two years, and I didn't mean to come off as some strung out head or anything. I must buy at least 2 HW related items myself a month... I think - I lost track after I got onto this list! My first experience with Hawkwind was straight, but years later, a friend of mine and I had a bizarre near-fatal accident involving a pair of replica (metal)battle axes, four purple microdots and a certain song on 'X In Search of Space'... scaring the hell out of our vietnamese neighbors at 4 a.m. on a Wednsday morning! Barefoot outside in the snow too... Jeez, silly kids, Trix are for rabbits... Christian From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Nov 28 13:38:47 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 19:38:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection Message-ID: >I picked up the LP version for FoFP way back, and I'm sure the band photo >was of the 80's lineup, i.e. Dave, Harvey, Huw, Danny Thompson, etc. >They're all grinning like damn fools; a real mugshot of a picture, cheesy >grins and all. > >Cheers, > >Paul. > Must be this one I've bought... (but what do I know...the only one I recognize is Brock...:-) But the photo is as ugly as Paul says. And Jill, it's not a Black and White photo... but I wish it was... Vin&Sprit -Daniel Wikdahl . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Nov 28 14:09:56 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 20:09:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Dangerous Visions Message-ID: >> Chronoglide Skyway from the Wierd Tapes is very emotional for me, It >> hits me pretty deep. I had better stop now. Thanks for having a forum to >> ask these kinds of questions, and also to answer them. >Well never seen them play that song CHRONOGLIDE SKYWAY (one of my very favorite HW songs) was performed live durig their Spring and Autumn 1976 tour The Weird tape version was recorded in London on 05.10.1976 cheers Bernhard From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Nov 28 12:23:51 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 17:23:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: addictions,was re:HW: Re 1st Album Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > > > My own first experience listening to Hawkwind was with TEA. I have never > experimented with other drugs of any kind (and that includes alchohol), > therefore I have always experienced Hawkwind cold! In the raw! > > I even know of other fans who are non-consumers of that particular > entity. I can tell you, however, that we all have addictions of another > kind. CD'S and Videos! I personally cannot afford any other form of > addiction. Especially since I seem to be buying at least one new HW > related CD each month!!! > > William not to put too fine a point on it,but there are addictions,and then addictions.i have been addicted to drugs b4, but never to psychedelics. that is not to say that i haven't used them extensively. my only addictions now,are caffiene,and nicotine.not to say that should be taken lightly,thye are two very bad substances. strange thing: i quit enjoying grateful dead shows,about the same time i quit dosing. i dosed at one hw show,and that recently.it was incredible.at least till the lights came on at the end.then it was just something to deal with. i dont think i will do it again. my wallet can afford it,but my brain-cells are very much against it. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Nov 28 12:29:13 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 17:29:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Drugs (Re 1st Album) Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > experience with Hawkwind was straight, but years later, a friend of mine and > I had a bizarre near-fatal accident involving a pair of replica > (metal)battle axes, four purple microdots and a certain song on 'X In Search > of Space'... scaring the hell out of our vietnamese neighbors at 4 a.m. on a > Wednsday morning! Barefoot outside in the snow too... Jeez, silly kids, Trix > are for > rabbits... > > Christian wow.this is bizarre.there was no acid or hw involved,but when i was 14, my best friend and i 'borrowed' his dads new bottle of jack daniels, and his dad's wwII japanese swords (razor sharp),and went out in the middle of the night and destroyed most of the hedges in our neighborhood,then had a mock duel with the swords,in which i mostly sliced his thumb about half way off.yes,i do believe we were idiots. it took us long and long,to repay the damage. rj From uriah at HERMITAGE.RU Thu Nov 28 18:28:57 1996 From: uriah at HERMITAGE.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 02:28:57 +0300 Subject: First HW (was: HW: Castle Masters Collection) Message-ID: Paul G Ward wrote: > > Actually, this sounds like an opening to ask other people > > what their first HW albums were, if that sounds like an > > interesting thread. > > Well, it's that long ago that I can't remember the first I actually > bought ... it was either Space Ritual or Quark I think. The first HW > track I ever heard was "Robot" from PXR-5 .... on the radio one night > back in 79. I had the above two albums within a few weeks of that > night! And for me the first HW song I ever heard was "Kings Of Speed" on Voice Of America or BBC - don't remember exactly - back in ol' 75 (or was it 76?). And my first album was Doremi Fasol Latido 13 years later... the first one I met in my homeland... Another funny thing is that about the same time I got a first russian translation of Mike Moorcock's Corum trilogy - and was absolutely fascinated by it. So when later I have learned about HW-Moorcock connection, it was really strange experience for me... I felt it wasn't just coincidence... > As far as suggesting a HW album for a newbie, that's damn hard ... As for me, I think I'v got just what I required... Both DFL and WatEoT are terribly good albums Yuri From uriah at HERMITAGE.RU Thu Nov 28 18:36:00 1996 From: uriah at HERMITAGE.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 02:36:00 +0300 Subject: HW: 1st Album Message-ID: Mike Parkington wrote: > I think that I got into each at more or less the same time, I don't know > whether one led to the other or what. > > What I do know is that I can't listen to Doremi without visualising the > Corum stories which I read whilst listening to Doremi virtually non-stop. How funny, it's the same pair as with me: my first HW album and my first HW book... And at that time I didn't knew about MM-HW connection :) Yuri From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Nov 28 20:35:46 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 20:35:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Re 1st Album In-Reply-To: <329DAC1D.22FA@tiac.net> from "Chris Raymond" at Nov 28, 96 10:13:33 am Message-ID: Hi Folks... Happy Thanksgiving to you all! Well, I may have already offerred my intro to HW once before here, but that was probably a few years back, and this seems to be the main thread going, so here goes again... I think it was either 1979 or 1980, while I was a 16-year old high school student in my very small and conservative hometown in western Pennsylvania, when my older brother returned home from college (U. of Illinois) for a short visit. He played for me an album that he had picked up there - it was called 'Quark, Strangeness, and Charm'. I believe the first track I heard was the title track, although I listened to the entire album several times over the next few days. I believe he took a chance on this one because of the title alone, it being somewhat bizarre, and my brother being a science major (now a Ph.D. chemist). Up to that point, my tastes in music were similarly derived from my older siblings (four older brothers) - and included Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Steppenwolf, BOC (of course). I wasn't really aware of too many more obscure artists at all (although Whitesnake was another favourite, and they were completely unknown at that time...and they were pretty *good* then too, completely opposite of what was to follow in the mid-80's...ugh!). But Hawkwind very quickly became my favourite group, and that has never changed. I taped QSC first, and then I also taped Levitation as that one just came out, and my brother found that in Illinois also. The first LP I bought personally was 'Space Ritual' at the National Record Mart in Sharon, PA....still in shrink wrap. I didn't seem to weird to me at the time, but I don't believe any NRM has carried HW since! I loved that one as well, but was surprised at how different it was from QSC and Levitation. Eventually, after I started making trips down to Pittsburgh for concerts and such (my first concert was Iron Maiden (before Dickenson), Whitesnake (still unknown), and Judas Priest), and got all the HW LP's in used stores there. 'Sonic Attack' was the first I got as a new release...I used to order them from 'Moby Music' out in California. Dunno whatever happened to them. But strangely, my first three albums are still three of my top four favourites (Warrior being No. 1). Two years later, I entered Penn State, and quickly expanded my collection to included lots of other interesting stuff like Amon Duul II, Gong, Nektar, and Steve Hillage. I remember only hearing Hawkwind twice EVER on the radio, Silver Machine and (I think) Kings of Speed, both on PSU's college station. But then I saw Hawkwind live on Canadian TV last year (Much Music), and that was really odd. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. My next concert will be Deep Purple in Pittsburgh, PA (12-6-96 or 6-12-96), with that same brother, who now lives in WVa. and who's nine year old son's favourite album is Pink Floyd-Animals. He likes Porcupine Tree as well, thanks to Yours Truly... (His Mom doesn't get it.) From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Nov 28 21:12:35 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 21:12:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: Branson and V2 In-Reply-To: <199611290135.UAA23178@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at Nov 28, 96 08:35:46 pm Message-ID: Hi everyone... I just saw that Richard Branson, Father of the Virgin Corporation and balloon aficionado, is starting up a new record company called V2. He says it's because he regrets selling out Virgin Records to EMI four years back, and he misses the music business. The question is: is this label going to be interested in signing anybody interesting from our 'neck of the woods', in the way Virgin originally began with Mike Oldfield and Steve Hillage?? Or are we still going to be the only ones out searching for obscure stuff on indy labels like Delerium, etc., while 99% of the music-buying public remains completely unaware of the entire genre of space rock and similar prog-types, with the lone exception of Pink Floyd? My guess is that nothing will change and to be competitive, V2 will be out there vying for the same miserable garbage that gets force-fed into teenager's throats. Oh, well, as long as we can keep the worthwhile bands going, no matter how resource-poor they may be, at least the music will continue to spew forth for us to ingest... :) Keith H. (FAA) From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Nov 28 23:52:27 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 14:52:27 +1000 Subject: HW: Re 1st Album In-Reply-To: <329DC76A.1A35@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Nov 1996, William Duffy wrote: > Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > Ah - Hawkwind, hallucinogenics & obsession.... is there any other combination? > > > > Christian > > My own first experience listening to Hawkwind was with TEA. I have never > experimented with other drugs of any kind (and that includes alchohol), > therefore I have always experienced Hawkwind cold! In the raw! My first HW album was the "masters of the universe" LP, which atvb the time was the only thing you could get from the record club that I was in in my teens. I thought it was cool, but not heavy enough, but still being heavy in its own right. YEARS later, when I was in the navy, we docked in Sydney, and my mates brother brought over a tape of HW, "live" (1979), and I played it on my walkman while laying in my bunk. It kicked my arse. The next day I went to find ANY HW I could, and I found Levitation in a second hand shop. I have not been well since :) I, too, have never heard HW whilst on any chemical substances, or artificial entertainment substances. I like it that way. L8r, Troy From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Thu Nov 28 23:28:58 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 21:28:58 -0700 Subject: An introduction Message-ID: Hi! I'm Pam Wheaton aka "Rockin' Cabbie" . New here as of today. I got into Hawkwind recently with the well appreciated aid of a friend. I now have (dubs) Space Ritual, Levitation, Castle Masters Collection, Choose Your Masques, Love in Space, Live Chronicles, Warrior on the Edge of Time,and Hall of the Mountain Grill. Good stuff. I first listened to Choose Your Masques-and was truly blown away!!! My music tastes run to Rush, Dream Theater, Pink Floyd, and that's just a start!! A question-I understand that Choose Your Masques and Sonic attack are now available on cd-any info on getting them? Thanx in advance! Keep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Ted Jackson EL84 wrote: > > This reminds me, two of the songs on this CD seem to be covers of other > > bands - Dealing with the Devil(S.Williamson) & Bring it on Home > > (W.Dixon). Is this the case? The writers of these songs are not familar. > > > > -Max Wilcox > > They sure are! Or is this another hoax? S.Williamson is Sonny Boy > Williamson and W. Dixon is Willie Dixon, two of THE godfathers of > blues music... Actually, there were TWO "Sonny Boy Williamsons:" John Lee "Sonny Boy" Williamson and Aleck "Rice" Miller. The former was prominent in the 1930s and 40s, and the latter came to fame in the post-WW2 era. Both were very famous harmonica players who, along with "Little Walter" Jacobs, probably defined *the* blues harp sound. Willie Dixon was a bass player who was more famous for his behind the scenes work than for his playing. He wrote many of the songs quintessential of the Chicago blues sound; lots of Muddy Waters' hits were penned by Dixon.. Actually, Dixon's "Bring it on Home" was a big hit for Sonny Boy Williamson. Sonny Boy Williamson (Rice Miller) gained fame as a regular on the King Biscuit Time show on KFFA, broadcast out of Helena, Arkansas---probably the first popular blues radio show. The show was sponsored by King Biscuit Flour. I guess the King Biscuit Time show went from strength to strength, bringing popular music to the masses. King Biscuit Flour begat the King Biscuit Flower Hour which, as many here will know, recorded some of the material that eventually showed up on BOC's _Extraterrestrial Live_. (So there you have it: HW <--> blues <--> BOC; yet another link.;) Oh, and as everyone no doubt knows, those other space rockers, Pink Floyd took their name from Piedmont bluesmen Pink Anderson and Floyd Council. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Cephas and Wiggins, _Dog Days of August_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Nov 28 11:44:09 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 03:44:09 +1100 Subject: An introduction Message-ID: On 28 Nov 96 at 21:28, Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: Welcome to this craziness Pam! > A question-I understand that Choose Your Masques and Sonic attack > are now available on cd-any info on getting them? Thanx in advance! Pam, Contact Griffin Records to get them on mail order: Griffin Records cgp at icom.ca Rob Godwin pyat at icom.ca Griffin WWW http://www.icom.ca/~cgp Tell Rob that "Sonique" sent you ;^) Paul/Sonique -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Nov 29 00:51:29 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 23:51:29 -0600 Subject: An introduction In-Reply-To: <199611290108.MAA02033@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Nov 1996, Paul G Ward wrote: > On 28 Nov 96 at 21:28, Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > A question-I understand that Choose Your Masques and Sonic attack > > are now available on cd-any info on getting them? Thanx in advance! > Pam, Contact Griffin Records to get them on mail order: > Griffin Records cgp at icom.ca > Rob Godwin pyat at icom.ca > Griffin WWW http://www.icom.ca/~cgp Or, just as easily, GrifMus at aol.com Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Nov 29 00:57:41 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 00:57:41 -0500 Subject: 1st Album Message-ID: I didn't listen to Hawkwind until only a few years ago. My first album was "It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous"... but I gave them a second shot, the "Lord of Light" cd with that, 7x7, paradox, ybbi, and calvert's ejection and right stuff. That did the trick, despite something by Turner on the last track I can't listen to a t all. Then I got Levitation, which I liked a lot. Followed by CotBS, Space Ritual, etc. From stayer at PI.NET Fri Nov 29 10:25:11 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 07:25:11 PST Subject: An introduction Message-ID: >Hi! >I'm Pam Wheaton aka "Rockin' Cabbie" . New here as of today. Hi Pam, welcome! >Hawkwind recently with the well appreciated aid of a friend. I now have >(dubs) Space Ritual, Levitation, Castle Masters Collection, Choose Your >Masques, Love in Space, Live Chronicles, Warrior on the Edge of >Time,and Hall of the Mountain Grill. Good stuff. Wow, what a start. What a friend! >My music tastes run to Rush, Dream Theater, Pink Floyd, and that's just >a start!! It's fun to see Hawkwind is part of the collection of metal fans, progressive rock fans as well as (surprise) space rock fans. A lot to offer... :-) Jerry From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Nov 29 02:19:56 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 01:19:56 -0600 Subject: HW: Re: 1st Album In-Reply-To: <199611290557.AAA16048@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: Yes, most of you have heard this before... My first exposure to HW was during the first NikWind tour when they played at Trees here in Dallas. I had never heard of them (Nik or Hawkwind... I had heard *of* Motorhead, but that was about it). Soon after that, I Grill", followed by "Palace" and "Bandits", both of which were the RoadRacer pressings in cut-out bins. I like all HW, except perhaps their 1st, self-titled album and most of "Business of the Future". At the moment, I'm waiting for PXR5 and the Hawklords albums to be released on CD in the U.S. Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Fri Nov 29 04:02:02 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 09:02:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Branson and V2 In-Reply-To: <199611290212.VAA23685@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: I read a press release about Richard Branson's new label a couple of months ago, and I wouldn't hold out much hope for any interesting bands/artists being signed. His comment was, as befits such a 'bastion' of modern society, that they would aim at 'intellectual rock and modern classical music'. Intellectual here meaning not intelligent, but pretentious and dull! Martin On Thu, 28 Nov 1996, Keith A Henderson wrote: > Hi everyone... > > I just saw that Richard Branson, Father of the Virgin Corporation and balloon > aficionado, is starting up a new record company called V2. He says it's > because he regrets selling out Virgin Records to EMI four years back, and he > misses the music business. The question is: is this label going to be > interested in signing anybody interesting from our 'neck of the woods', in the > way Virgin originally began with Mike Oldfield and Steve Hillage?? Or are we > still going to be the only ones out searching for obscure stuff on indy labels > like Delerium, etc., while 99% of the music-buying public remains completely > unaware of the entire genre of space rock and similar prog-types, with the > lone exception of Pink Floyd? My guess is that nothing will change and to be > competitive, V2 will be out there vying for the same miserable garbage that > gets force-fed into teenager's throats. Oh, well, as long as we can keep the > worthwhile bands going, no matter how resource-poor they may be, at least the > music will continue to spew forth for us to ingest... :) > > Keith H. (FAA) > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 28 05:12:56 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 10:12:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection In-Reply-To: <199611271944.GAA01475@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: In message <199611271944.GAA01475 at hyme.pcmicro.com.au>, Paul G Ward writes >As far as suggesting a HW album for a newbie, that's damn hard ... it >depends so much on their current tastes. SR, HotMG, Quark, Live 79, >Levitation, CotBS or Palace Springs are the (IMO) best entry points >depending on who we are talking about. I usually just lend someone >the Griffin "25 Years" box these days if they are interested in >finding out who HW are! > >Paul Make 'em a tape. Put most of Alan's songs on it "Sword Of The East" for example. You'll need all the remasters, too. "Lord Of Light" should be on it, Bits of Palace, sure but it's just this live album, you know :) Heads, War I Survived, Right To Decide recorded too loud, hmmm, what else. Hassan I Sabba, you wanna introduce the extended family quite early, put ICU's Watching The Grass Grow and Bones Of Elvis on there too! Let me think about this one.... -- Jon Browne From christoj at UG1.PLK.AF.MIL Fri Nov 29 04:47:40 1996 From: christoj at UG1.PLK.AF.MIL (Julian Christou) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 02:47:40 -0700 Subject: First HW experience Message-ID: Hello again fellow HW fans. I've been off the list for a while - I'm currently in Germany and head back to the US in January. Anyway, I've been a sleeping reader of the list for a while and thought I'd add to this thread. It was a long, long time ago ... when the world was very young, or at least Julian was. He went to see Genesis & HW & Amon Din play a gig in Colwyn Bay - probably about 1970/1. Despite the sound ssytem being screwed up halfway into the show during one of Nik's manic sax pieces I was astounded and amazed. I rushed out and bought "ISOS" and have been hooked ever since. Julian -- +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ | Dr. Julian Christou | Phone: 505-846-4712 x330 | | PL/LIG, Phillips Lab | FAX: 505-846-2213 | | 3550 Aberdeen SE +-----------------------------+ | Kirtland AFB, NM 87117-5776 | E-mail: christoj at plk.af.mil | +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ "One trend that bothers me is the glorification of stupidity, that the media is reassuring people it's all right not to know anything...That to me is far more dangerous than a little pornography on the Internet" ... Carl Sagan From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 29 04:56:37 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 09:56:37 +0000 Subject: HW: 1st Album In-Reply-To: <329DA445.5769@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: In message <329DA445.5769 at iinet.net.au>, William Duffy writes >Ditto. >I also want their music played at my wedding (if it ever happens), Hey, it was at mine! BigTime! Now _that_ was a party! -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 29 05:59:47 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 10:59:47 GMT Subject: HW: Castle Masters Collection Message-ID: On tor 28 nov 1996 23.45 "Paul Mather" wrote: > Oh, and as everyone no doubt knows, those other space rockers, Pink Floyd > took their name from Piedmont bluesmen Pink Anderson and Floyd Council. Who were, presumably, no less Satanic :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Vagtazo Hallotkemek, _Hammering at the Gates of Nothingness_ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 29 06:10:36 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:10:36 GMT Subject: HW: 1st Album Message-ID: On fre 29 nov 1996 00.57 "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: > My first album was "It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous"... My gods! You are to be commended for surviving that and still moving on to Hawkfandom! > but I gave them a second shot, the "Lord of Light" cd with that, 7x7, > paradox, ybbi, and > calvert's ejection and right stuff. That did the trick, despite something > by Turner > on the last track I can't listen to a t all. Yes, well, I find most of the latter-day Turner studio material like that. The live material is pretty good, especially _Past or Future?_, and the Anubian Lights material, despite being ambient wossnames, is actually good ... I'm still not sure why I like it :} Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 29 06:13:52 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:13:52 GMT Subject: HW: An introduction Message-ID: On fre 29 nov 1996 07.25 Jerry wrote: > It's fun to see Hawkwind is part of the collection of metal fans, > progressive rock fans as well as (surprise) space rock fans. A lot to > offer... :-) Well, especially if some of us metal fans are just as much prog fans and psych fans and _folk_ fans, and .... and .... :) I am reminded of the interview in which Brock claimed to get musical inspiration from "the Universe" :) Cheers, Carl From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Fri Nov 29 07:08:33 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:08:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Drugs (Re 1st Album) Message-ID: skarsol wrote: >wow.this is bizarre.there was no acid or hw involved,but when i was 14, >my best friend and i 'borrowed' his dads new bottle of jack daniels, >and his dad's wwII japanese swords (razor sharp),and went out in the >middle of the night and destroyed most of the hedges in our >neighborhood,then had a mock duel with the swords,in which i mostly >sliced his thumb about half way off.yes,i do believe we were idiots. >it took us long and long,to repay the damage. rj Heh.. we were in our early 20's (hey, blame it on the funny books). When the stuff was kicking in, our lava-lamp was reaching 'genesis-stage', and I put on XISOS - amazingly attuned to the flashing strobe and the weird balls we had dangling in the ceiling (planets, y'see).... we had this little room set up for only tripping... So, anyways, after a million years of 'You Shouldn't Do That', 'Master of The Universe' came on and things were getting very freaky. We started debating if we were the figments of anybody else's mind, but we abandoned that thought due to our self-created cosmic surroundings, and realized that _we_ and our room were the only things in the universe. So, we started 'creating' the world outside, word by word (New Jersey in fact, God knows why!) as well, knowing that it was all a figment of _our_ imagination (of course, everything was evolving cosmically alongside with the lava-lamp's development from mangled frog-stage to bouncing ball-stage). So, we came to the realization that since _we_ were in fact the Masters of The Universe, we could pick up our battle axes that we'd bought them at the mall earlier that day, and wander out into the world (my roomate had He-Man curtains in his window...), and destroy everything we'd just created in our wake, since it was all just make believe. So we went outside.... and were absolutely underwhelmed by the mundane shithole neighborhood we'd "created". After some running around, attacking the neighbor's kids snowman and raising hell... we both had formed ideas that only _one_ of us had created the universe, and started freaking out on eachother, both claiming that that the other was was a figment of the other's imagination, and started duking it out until one of us actually felt _pain_ (the axes were dull but heavy), and my friend, wild eyed and insane suggested the atrocity that just _maybe_ we were just regular people... and then the vietnamese people upstairs turned their light on in the window and we both ran back inside totally freaked out! It sure felt like a million years, but all this probably happened in the span of 20 minutes... I'm surprised I remember so much of this, but it was probably the most intense case of creative insanity I ever had! So what were you guys fighting over? From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Nov 29 00:22:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 00:22:00 EST Subject: BRAIN: Rodeo review Message-ID: I caught the Brain Surgeons at the Rodeo Club last weekend and thought I'd attempt a subjective review of the night. The Rodeo is an intimate little club with a small section of tables by the stage, backed by a bar area where the real bulk of people watch. The sound is nice and clean and crowd noise is not intrusive (at least in the table area where we were). The club started to get really packed about 10:30 and a number of tBS folk were there, including Paul Special. The Brain Surgeons came on around 11 p.m. after the crowd was warmed up by an interesting opening band, Mean Reds. Luckily, I got my copy of BoH signed by all the band before their set. I was hoping to bump into some other BOC-L members, especially Steve Swann (I am You and You are I), but missed out. Anyway, here is the night's set list (about 55 min): Gun Medusa St. Vitus Dance Date With a Guitar Locked Up Laura's Plastic Swords Gimme Nothing My Civilization Tender Was the Night (plenty of wah wah, Carl) Operation Luv (included a tasty drum and bass break) ******* Overture (with guest Jack Rigg) Dominance and Submission (raucous Al laughter) ******* Red & Black Right from the start the gig gave every sign of being a good one. The new material from BoH seemed to be at a slightly faster pace and both Peter and Billy began cranking with the 1st riffs of Gun. It's not apparent on the CD (except maybe to John), but Gun is a great opening song! The drums were really strong through out the set, driving the tempo and giving Al fans a treat. The set was done in their recent "dense pack" style with little or no break between songs. The result is a tight sound that just builds in impact from song to song. Studio tBS is very polished and studied, live it is pedal to the metal. Deb's vocals may fit the live side even more than the studio version (I wish they did I'm on Fire). The 2 sounds are very complementary and my appreciation of BoH increased considerably. The encore of Overture and D&S contrasted the now with the near forgotten past very effectively, the applause that followed spurred an impromptu 2nd encore that was not on the printed set list. (Overture joins Tequila as the only other one word lyric song.) After the set a crush of people came up to the stage to express their appreciation to the band (my foresight paid off). Most left clutching a new copy of BoH. I dragged my brother, a jaded New Yawk theater stagehand, along with us for his 1st exposure to the group. He came not expecting much and left as a fan on the mailing list. It was an all around good time for us, the rest of the crowd, and seemingly even Al. Catch tBS live if you can. Rudy ObHWcomment - 'Lil Egypt arguably shows some HW Assassins influence. Maybe a cover of something HW, like Needle Gun, could be done live as a goof and a nod to the other side of the list. From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 29 08:50:28 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:50:28 +0000 Subject: HW, OFF: Branson and V2 In-Reply-To: <199611290212.VAA23685@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Dear All, it may or may not be significant here that my tapes of QS&C and PXR5 are both Virgin reissues, so Virgin certainly _knew_ about the good stuff once. If they're starting up again, who knows what may befall (although I can't think of anything, actually... that time of day). Jazza /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 29 09:37:16 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 14:37:16 GMT Subject: HW: Drugs (Re 1st Album) Message-ID: On fre 29 nov 1996 13.08 "Christian Mumford" wrote: > So, we started > 'creating' the world outside, word by word (New Jersey in fact, God knows > why!) Well, this would explain the eventual genesis of Monster Magnet ... Cheers, Carl From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Fri Nov 29 09:59:56 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 15:59:56 +0100 Subject: HW: THE BUSINESS QUIZ!!!! Message-ID: Allright folks! We all know those wacky old Hawks have a funny habit of reworking old songs, changing their titles and goofing around! When I posted the question to Brock about this on the Official Hawkwind website, he replied that it was 'for copyright reasons'. So... here's a little quiz I worked out for you all! It's simple - just guess who wrote these songs and where they first appeared - The songs are listed first, and the answers appear below - let's go!: 1. The Dream Goes On 2. This Future 3. Green Finned Demon 4. Do That 5. The Right Stuff Hey, pretty easy, eh? (The Dream Goes On) 1. If you guessed "The Business Trip" from 1993 and credit the song Brock, you are apparantly right! However, it's really called "The Iron Dream" and was written by Simon King and appeared on "Quark, Strangeness & Charm" in 1977 - strange huh? Just slap some lyrics about silicon chips in your head onto it, and it's a new song! (This Future) 2. Again, if you guessed "The Business Trip", and credit it to Brock/Davey/Chadwick, you appear to be right. Quite a mind-boggling co-incidence that Bob Calvert actually wrote a piece that bears an uncanny resemblence to this track on "Space Ritual" back in '73! Boy, if only he'd been around to see *this* future! (Green Finned Demon) 3. Okay, this one ain't hard. Of course it first appeared on the "Earth Ritual Preview" EP back in the early 80's, and later on the "Mighty Hawkwind Classics" CD. And, it was written by Brock/Calvert. But, take a look at "The Business Trip" album again, and you'll find that it's only credited to Brock - boy, it must have slipped his mind completely! Hey, lay off the weed, your memory's going! (Do That) 4. Now, isn't it funny, it seems something is going on here that shouldn't be going on - because not only is this song called "You Shouldn't Do That" on "X In Search of Space" back in '71, it's also written by Brock/Turner. Slip sideways thru time to the future again, and you'll find out that apparantly Brock/Davey/Chadwick wrote this song especially for us on "The Business Trip"! (The Right Stuff) 5. Ah, this one's easy! Bob Calvert again, obviously, on his solo album from 1974, "Captain Lockheed & the Starfighters". But, unbeknownst to us until 1993's "The Business Trip", Brock had a hand in its creation along with Calvert as well! It moves me that Hawkwind dedicated "Future Reconstructions" to the late, great, Bob Calvert. Christian From skarsol at EROLS.COM Fri Nov 29 06:13:18 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:13:18 +0000 Subject: HW: Drugs (Re 1st Album) Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > So what were you guys fighting over? oh,nothing. like you we were both obsessed with swords and sorcery. we used to fist fight each other just for the hell of it.i grew out of that,but he didnt,and ended up getting in serious trouble in the army,in germany. i like yer story tho, which can be compared to similar situations that i experienced(with different friends),later on. i guess we need to quit talking about this here,tho. i dont wanna piss everybody off. rj From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri Nov 29 09:51:01 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 14:51:01 +0000 Subject: BOC: album title In-Reply-To: <199611271503.HAA16065@sesame.columbia-center.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Clore (NO JUNK E-MAIL) wrote: > I propose another Beckett reference instead. > They should name the album after his novel, _The Unnameable_. Surely H P Lovecraft got to this title before Sam B.? Like it, anyway. - Mike Godwin PS I saw a good sketch where, after a long wait, three Godots turn up. Vladimir says to Estragon: "Typical! You wait for hours, and then three turn up all bunched together". From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Fri Nov 29 11:19:58 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Clore) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 08:19:58 -0800 Subject: BOC: album title Message-ID: M R Godwin wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Clore (NO JUNK E-MAIL) wrote: > > I propose another Beckett reference instead. > > They should name the album after his novel, _The Unnameable_. > > Surely H P Lovecraft got to this title before Sam B.? > Like it, anyway. Yup! HPL got there first! I might point out, incidentally, that they both used the British spelling: unnamable. The coincidence of titles, incidentally again, has been used to claim deep connections between avant-garde literature and fantastic fiction. The horror-like sound was why I think it would actually make a good title for a band like BOC; I wouldn't say they should title the album _Molloy_. Dan Clore http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/ From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 29 11:27:42 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 16:27:42 GMT Subject: Whatever Happened to Gordon Hundley? Message-ID: I have a CD for him..... FoFP From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Nov 29 11:44:13 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:44:13 -0500 Subject: HW: THE BUSINESS QUIZ!!!! In-Reply-To: <199611291459.PAA11562@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Nov 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > (Do That) > 4. Now, isn't it funny, it seems something is going on here that shouldn't be > going on - because not only is this song called "You Shouldn't Do That" on > "X In Search of Space" back in '71, it's also written by Brock/Turner. Slip > sideways thru time to the future again, and you'll find out that apparantly > Brock/Davey/Chadwick wrote this song especially for us on "The Business Trip"! Maybe Nik only wrote the "You Shouldn't" part and Brock came up with the "Do That" bit? ;-) Maybe Dave's blues heritage is showing through here. In that tradition it is commonplace to "borrow liberally" from others to the point that it's very difficult to know who actually wrote what first, and correct author credit often gets lost along the way. And I don't mean that in a bad way. It's just how it is. Mind you, lots of blues people were screwed along the way by their managers. For example, although the famous (and highly excellent) "As the Years Go Passing By" is credited to Dan Malone, it was never written by him. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Brain Surgeons, _Box of Hammers_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Nov 29 11:48:43 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:48:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Drugs (Re 1st Album) In-Reply-To: <199611291208.NAA03387@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Nov 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > Heh.. we were in our early 20's (hey, blame it on the funny books). When the > stuff was kicking in, our lava-lamp was reaching 'genesis-stage', and I put ... > could pick up our battle axes that we'd bought them at the mall earlier that > day, and > wander out into the world (my roomate had He-Man curtains in his window...), > and destroy everything we'd just created in our wake, since it was all just Wait a minute... early '20s and He-Man curtains????? Something does not quite jive with this story. ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Superseeder_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Fri Nov 29 12:04:46 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 18:04:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Drugs (Re 1st Album) Message-ID: >On Fri, 29 Nov 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > >> Heh.. we were in our early 20's (hey, blame it on the funny books). When the >> stuff was kicking in, our lava-lamp was reaching 'genesis-stage', and I put >... >> could pick up our battle axes that we'd bought them at the mall earlier that >> day, and >> wander out into the world (my roomate had He-Man curtains in his window...), >> and destroy everything we'd just created in our wake, since it was all just Paul exclaimed in disbelief: > >Wait a minute... early '20s and He-Man curtains????? Something does not >quite jive with this story. ;-) > No, really! He was the kinda guy who kept all his toys & stuff (he had a Star Wars bedspread & stuff). Mind you, we were all in art school learning comics and animation art.... Christian From torgo at NORWICH.NET Fri Nov 29 12:41:10 1996 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Robert Sedler) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 12:41:10 -0500 Subject: tBS: Box Of Hammers - A Review Message-ID: Box Of Hammers: A Review "If I had a hammer.........." It seems that whenever I get a new CD, roughly violate its cellophane prison, and release it into the world and thus, into my life, several things can and usually do happen. There are the albums that quickly grab my fancy and sucker-punch me into sheer ecstasy, and then there are albums that after a quick glance leave me cold and wishing I had not wasted the money. These albums are easy to deal with on a very simple level; ya love 'em or ya hate 'em. Then there are the subtleties in life, the twisted things that lie only half in the shadows, visible enough to make us know that they are there and not going away, but hazy and twilight-obscured to keep us craning our necks and squinting our eyes for a closer look. If there ever was an album that fit that long winded description, it would be Box of Hammers by The Brain Surgeons. Lets have a look............... Box of Hammers is the 3rd CD by The Brain Surgeons. And at just a quick glance it seems like the next step in a natural evolution. It is once again produced by Albert Bouchard and Deb Frost, it once again features cover artwork by Steve Brodner, and after a quick scan through its credits features additional writing by the talents of Helen Wheels and Richard Meltzer and other who have graced previous Surgeons efforts, as well as previous Blue Oyster Cult albums. To the naked eye it seems like more of more of more of the same. But listen...... After sitting and listening to this thing the first time through, aside from some very obvious differences, I knew that this was unlike either of the previous Brain Surgeons albums. Once again it featured the quirky and sometimes oddball experimentation of EPONYMOUS, and on the other side of the coin it had plenty of the "in your face" "drag you through the gravel" raw power that seemed so dominant on the TREPANATION album. It seemed to be an odd juxtaposition of both flavors of Brain Surgeons music.... yet there was STILL something odd about it. I listened again. I listened closer. I listened DEEPER. And in the process of trying to finally nail down what is so unusual about this album, it grabbed me and pulled me in. Unlike TREPANATION, which pulled me in with sheer force and MADE me like it, BOX OF HAMMERS slowly and quietly lured me in to my doom, a subtle note here and a funky lyric there, until I was trapped with no hope of escape. I like it here........... BoH is a collection of fourteen of the best songs The Brain Surgeons have ever done. Powerful songs like "St. Vitus Dance" and "Date with a Guitar" could fit snugly it the last set of blows delivered to us on TREPANATION, and misfits like the smoothly haunting "End in Tears" with its caressing sax seem to have echoes of EPONYMOUS all over it. With a combination like that the Surgeons are bound to please its fans with this one, yet they went one step further. Songs like "Locked Up" with its whispery Deb Frost vocals could easily get overpowered and plowed under by the facemelting songs that flank it on either side, yet its subtlety is what grabs you and forces you to listen closer. "Donkey Show" features guitarist Peter Bohevesky making his vocal debut and this song just drips with Zappa-esque quirks and strange charm. Another buried gem in this album is the warped wonder "Laura's Plastic Swords", a Bouchard/Meltzer collaboration that plays like a ride through a freak show under hot lights. "Gun", is a driving tune that is rumored to be a song that Blue Oyster Cult had once planned to record and later rejected. The final song on the CD is the fantastic instrumental "Overture", which is just that, an overture, combining all of the elements and music from the IMAGINOS album into a phenomenal tune. It is the "Imaginos Sampler" if you will.............. Yet my favorite song on the album is one that almost slipped by me the first few listens, the hauntingly wonderful "Casa Del Sol" is a solely Frost written tune, and she proves that she can not only cover the spectrum of rock & roll vocal abilities, but also write a damn good tune too. A song that reminds me quite a bit of one of my favorite bands, Nazareth, Casa is one of the best The Brain Surgeons have ever done, period. And so............. Add all of these ingredients and more too numerous to detail, mix in one part of the razor sharp sting of Bouchard lyrics, one part of the rude awakening slap of Bouchard music, and two parts of the talons on a chalkboard vocals of Deb Frost..... but don't bother shaking it up. Box Of Hammers will do plenty of that on its own. And if you let it get its hooks into you, its gonna shake you up as well. While past Brain Surgeons albums are like a kick in the sternum with steel-toed boots, Box of Hammers will quietly, and subtly pummel your cranium like a brick wrapped in cotton. Happy Hammering........... Rob "Torgo" Sedler Torgo has left the building...... torgo at norwich.net ************************************************************************ POPULATION [of the universe]: None. It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds but that not every one is inhabited. Therefore there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds. So, if every planet in the universe has a population of zero, then the entire population of the universe must also be zero, and any people you may actually meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination. ************************************************************************ From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Nov 28 08:27:54 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 00:27:54 +1100 Subject: HW: 1st Album Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On fre 29 nov 1996 00.57 "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: > > My first album was "It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous"... > > My gods! You are to be commended for surviving that and still moving > on to Hawkfandom! Actually, to combine two threads here, the psychedelics one and this one, I'll give a little anecdote... Listening to It is the Business while pursuing, with a friend, our "experiments" with the ol' lysergic dethelymide, an interesting thing occured. First, we discovered that a picture in Alien4 fitted in exactly with a picture in a timothy leary book I was reading at the time - it was the classical one with the person reaching to the stars and whatnot - the black and white one. Both books has a similar same picture, though the Leary one was altered somewhat. We discovered that if we placed the Alien4 one over the top of the Leary one, they would fit perfectly. This was extremely "important to the cosmological nature of things" at the time, as is usualy the case in such situations. We then listened to "It is the Business...", and proceeded to be physicaly taken on a "Hawkwind rollercoaster Ride Inc", physicaly seeing the music of which we listened. We discovered several things about the music that night - the main being that the album went in and out of "Hawkwind mode", that is, for example it would go into an eastern theme, then slowly would move back to the traditional HW style. We could hear in Tebet is not China, the monks (or whoever the chanting stands for) moving from left to right speaker, symbolising a culture moving into Tebet, conquering it. In Space (not Palestine), or whatever it's called, two positions are conjured - palestine in the first part, and space in the second. Etc etc. This night is the reason for me actually liking this album quite a lot. It is my belief that there is actually something usefull to be taken from LSD, though quite often, it can be very detremental to the user. Please note that I'm not advocating the "it's usefull to listen to music under the influence of Psychedelics" kind of argument. I'd say that I prefer to listen to them straight, as the music seems to have it's own mind altering properties. I promise this is the last time I'll rant about drugs here. "Virgin love and take drugs!" -ICU -Max Wilcox From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 29 13:26:40 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 18:26:40 GMT Subject: HW: Drugs (Re 1st Album) In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Fri, 29 Nov 1996 14:37:16 GMT Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > On fre 29 nov 1996 13.08 "Christian Mumford" > wrote: > > So, we started > > 'creating' the world outside, word by word (New Jersey in fact, God knows > > why!) > > Well, this would explain the eventual genesis of Monster Magnet ... It could explain quite a lot about the world outside too! Does this mean that now we've got someone else to blame for everything. 8-))) Happy Thanksgiving to all (even if it's a bit late) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dahl at AROS.NET Fri Nov 29 13:56:21 1996 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:56:21 -0700 Subject: OFF: Beer for Dolphins Message-ID: I went to see Steve Vai in Las Vegas last weekend. It was an incredible display of musicianmanship (as you would expect). He has a great band. The opening act is some friends of mine: Mike Keneally and Beer for Dolphins (Mike is also in Steve's band). Their music is incredibly cool and if you like Frank Zappa (Mike was also in Frank's last touring band) you may find this unbelievably wonderful. The tour continues through the US until just before Christmas. You can find the tour dates on Mike's Web page: http://www.moosenet.com/keneally.html If you get a chance to see these guys you should take it and if you see any of the BFD guys wandering around after the show, tell them Brad Dahl says "hi" and "blow me". They'll dig it. They also have a new CD out (Half Alive in Hollywood) that is so good I can't get it out of my CD player. You can get it at the shows or order it through Mike's Web page. If you're a musician you'll find this stuff incredible. If you're not, it's still pretty amusing. By the way, I like Club Ninja! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 29 14:01:02 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 19:01:02 GMT Subject: HW: Drugs (Re 1st Album) Message-ID: On fre 29 nov 1996 18.04 "Christian Mumford" wrote: > >Wait a minute... early '20s and He-Man curtains????? Something does not > >quite jive with this story. ;-) > > No, really! He was the kinda guy who kept all his toys & stuff (he had a > Star Wars bedspread & stuff). I hear this. He-Man was never my trip (so to speak ;) but if they were selling (and I could afford) Star Wars bedspread's I'd have 'em like a shot. And I'm 25 and should know better (but--thank the gods--don't :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi L?ngstrump ************************************************************************ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 29 14:08:41 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 19:08:41 GMT Subject: HW: 1st Album Message-ID: On fre 29 nov 1996 00.27 "Max Wilcox" wrote: > This night is the reason for me actually liking this album quite a lot. > It is my belief that there is actually something usefull to be taken > from LSD, though quite often, it can be very detremental to the user. > Please note that I'm not advocating the "it's usefull to listen to > music under the influence of Psychedelics" kind of argument. I'd say > that I prefer to listen to them straight, as the music seems to have > it's own mind altering properties. Well, I neither advocate nor condemn the use of mind-altering substances, much in the same way I neither advocate nor condemn the use of chewing gun, but should I have the opportunity to re-evalulate _IITBOTFTBD_ under these conditions, perhaps I'll like it better :) Cheers, Carl ObSong: "LSD", _Electric Teepee_, Hawkwind ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Fri Nov 29 14:09:31 1996 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:09:31 -0800 Subject: OFF-re Ozric Message-ID: It seems that most people like Erpland, I only listen to it when it is sunny. Live underslunky is a very good live Ozric, lots of guitar rips. ,BB http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ ------------------------------- ------------------------------- spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 29 14:16:47 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 19:16:47 GMT Subject: HW: Drugs (Re 1st Album) Message-ID: On fre 29 nov 1996 18.26 "J Strobridge" wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > On fre 29 nov 1996 13.08 "Christian Mumford" > > wrote: > > > So, we started > > > 'creating' the world outside, word by word (New Jersey in fact, God > > > knows why!) > > > > Well, this would explain the eventual genesis of Monster Magnet .. > > It could explain quite a lot about the world outside too! Does this > mean that now we've got someone else to blame for everything. 8-))) No, since we are all Steve Swann, thus Herr Mumford is Steve Swann, therefore we must _still_blame_Steve_Swann_! And let's face it: you'd have to be trippin' yer noggin off to come up with New Jersey :) Though at least New Jersey has produced Monster Magnet, and since Dave Wyndorf worships Hawkwind, this cannot be all bad :) Cheers, Carl ObSong: "Interstellar Overdrive", _London '66-'67_, Pink Floyd From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Nov 29 14:11:47 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 06:11:47 +1100 Subject: HW: 1st Album Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On fre 29 nov 1996 00.27 "Max Wilcox" wrote: > > This night is the reason for me actually liking this album quite a lot. > > It is my belief that there is actually something usefull to be taken > > from LSD, though quite often, it can be very detremental to the user. > > Please note that I'm not advocating the "it's usefull to listen to > > music under the influence of Psychedelics" kind of argument. I'd say > > that I prefer to listen to them straight, as the music seems to have > > it's own mind altering properties. > > Well, I neither advocate nor condemn the use of mind-altering > substances, much in the same way I neither advocate nor condemn the use of > chewing gun, but should I have the opportunity to re-evalulate _IITBOTFTBD_ > under these conditions, perhaps I'll like it better :) Well, one does seem to gain a different perspective under these conditions. Hell, I even re-evaluated my opinions of the Black Sword concert video under these conditions - though this good opinion of it didn't last for long I'm afraid. -Max Wilcox From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Nov 29 18:56:59 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 18:56:59 -0500 Subject: HW: 1st Album Message-ID: >On fre 29 nov 1996 00.57 "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: >> My first album was "It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous"... > > My gods! You are to be commended for surviving that and still moving >on to Hawkfandom! My first reaction was kind of, "so this is Hawkwind, eh?". But I did somewhat like 'The Camera that could lie' (or is that 'not die'?), and a friend convinced me they weren't always like that. Ironically, 'The Business Trip' remains one of my favorite albums of theirs... From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Nov 29 19:30:16 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 11:30:16 +1100 Subject: HW: Technoey-trancey-ambientey sort of stuff Message-ID: Hi all After buying a new CD by Kraftwelt, I'm in "that" sort of mood, and am of the mind to make a few comments and questions. What do people think of all of the Cleopatra HW related things to come out recently? I realy like Anubian Lights and I LOVE Spiral Realms. I've never had even the vaguest liking for all of that sort of ambient sort of stuff previous to getting a hold on the albums from these people and have been, at least partialy, converted to some of this kind of stuff. Admittedly, there's a lot of absolute shite out there, but, as I've recently discovered, there's some worthwhile things going on. I thing I've noticed is that it seems that much of the realy good stuffseems to be coming from people who are established in the music industry, but previusly would not be classified as ambient. A good example of this is Psychic TV's Trip Reset. I suspect that this kind of music is actually decended from psychedelia, anyway. Giong back to Del's improvisation in Space Ritual, one sees some fair similarities. There seems to be a very good amount of SF/space related ambient out there, too. Which seems to further validate the space rock/ambient connection. Of course there's other influences, a very important one occurs to me, though I'm not sure how many people have picked up on this, is the influence of Vangelis on this style. To me, he is a pioneer of electronic music. Off topic, related to the CD I've just bought, does anyone know is Kraftwelt are releted to (or the same as) Kraftwork? I love the Kraftwork song on Space Daze, and am thinking of obtaining some more of their stuff. Anyway, I'm glaad I got this off my chest. I don't think I could have survived the day if I hadn't gotten rid of it. -Max Wilcox From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 29 20:36:20 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 01:36:20 GMT Subject: HW: 1st Album Message-ID: On fre 29 nov 1996 18.56 "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: [following on from _IITBOTFTBD_:] > Ironically, 'The Business Trip' remains one of my favorite albums of > theirs... Oh, yes, _TBT_ is quite laudable--it's only the studio predecessor which I have "issues" with :) Cheers Carl ObCD: _ISOS_, Hawkwind :) From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Fri Nov 29 22:47:53 1996 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 22:47:53 -0500 Subject: HW: My First Experience Message-ID: Around 1986 I was sixteen or seventeen and was a big fan of Michael Moorcock's novels. I looked up his name in my high school library and soon discovered that not only was he an author, but also an occasional musician. I found that he had played with Hawkwind, a group I had never heard of, but I intended to find out more. I went to my local record store where there were a lot of Hawkwind import albums (no Hawkwind CDs existed yet) for big prices and I searched through the lot and eventually pulled out "The Chronicle of the Black Sword" because it had the most obvious Moorcock connection, and I was fascinated by the idea that this band should reference the Eternal Champion books so closely. I had to borrow $10.00 from my friend to buy it, and we immediately went to his house and sat in his bedroom and listened to it. I was immediately horrified by the first track--Song of the Swords--which sounded to me like all that can be bad about heavy metal (slightly screechy vocals, sword and sorcery lyrics, power chords, trilled guitar solos, synthesizers) and thought that I had made a bad mistake. As we listened further, though, I could detect a certain "something" which wasn't as formulaic and cheesy as heavy metal usually is. This band was weird! "Shade Gate" and "Pulsing Cavern" were kind of odd, and many of Huw's leads were phrased in a peculiar way. It was psychedelia masquerading as heavy metal. I was not overly impressed by listening that album for the first time, but in the ensuing days, I found myself against my better judgment putting it on the turntable again and again, until I had to admit that despite its flaws and heavy metal excesses, I liked it. I soon bought the "Angels of Death" compilation which showed me a completely different and more psychedelic side of the band. I went from there, soon getting "Hall of the Mountain Grill" and "This Is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic." I was hooked. These guys were for real, I realized. They composed music in such a way as to completely disregard all accepted values. The music could be beautiful, ugly, tastful or tasteless as they willed it, yet somehow behind it all was some certain quality which was undeniably "Hawkwind-esque." I soon had to own everything and thus the addiction began. For years afterward, I never met another person who had even heard of HW, let alone one who was a fan, but after the 1989 USA tour, all these people crept out of the woodwork and HW even became vaguely fashionable and known around these parts. I remember being horrified to discover that most HW fans were also fans of the shittiest Rock (capital R) ever made. I had thought that HW was something very, very different from, say, Bad Company, or Foreigner, and I thought it was insane that anybody could listen to one of those schlocky bands and also listen to HW. I just couldn't find the correspondence. I still believe they have little or nothing in common with most "70's rock." This band supersedes all categories, to simply be a band that makes good music which is, thankfully, not locked into a rigidly narrow style. I guess I've gone on for a while. Hope I haven't pissed off too many people. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Sat Nov 30 01:49:54 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Clore) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 22:49:54 -0800 Subject: OFF: new homepage Message-ID: Everyone, check out my new homepage. -- Dan Clore http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879 Visit the Waughters . . . From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 29 05:21:22 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 10:21:22 +0000 Subject: OFF: Tentacles of the Ozric variety sort of In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Mikey pops writes >On Thu, 28 Nov 1996, Mike Parkington wrote: > >> I would also advise listening to Senser's album >> "Stacked Up" as this is totally unlike HW or BOC or Ozrics etc. In all >> likelyhood you will hate it (I did) for about the first 5 or 6 plays. Then >> one day, as if by magic, it suddenly becomes amazingly good. Strange but >> true. >> >And Senser cannot be all bad as they give 'Respect and Thanks' to Hawkwind >(as well as Ozrics, Beastie Boys, Eat Static, Rollins, Can, Faith No More, >Mahavishnu Orchestra and Back to the Planet) > >Mike w Yaeh, Senser are a fine outfit. I esp. like "Age Of Panic". And their R & T's are all cool, too. Except one. :) -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 29 05:28:37 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 10:28:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: Branson and V2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , dench writes >I read a press release about Richard Branson's new label a couple of >months ago, and I wouldn't hold out much hope for any interesting >bands/artists being signed. His comment was, as befits such a 'bastion' >of modern society, that they would aim at 'intellectual rock and modern >classical music'. Intellectual here meaning not intelligent, but >pretentious and dull! > >Martin Erm, I believe one of the bands thy've lined up are The Olivia Tremor Control. I got their first album (on Blue Rose) and it's fuckin' great! Sounds nothing like the above, but a bit early Floyd, bit Beatle-y, bit Electric Prunes but y'know, in a modern context. They're from Athens, Georgia but don't sound like REM! Very accessible, nicely psyche. Thumbs up from JB! -- Jon Browne When one wants to get rid of an unsupportable pressure, one needs hashish. -Freddy Nietzsche- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sat Nov 30 12:36:26 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 12:36:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: Olivia Tremor Control, USA psych., etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Nov 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > Erm, I believe one of the bands thy've lined up are The Olivia Tremor > Control. I got their first album (on Blue Rose) and it's fuckin' great! > Sounds nothing like the above, but a bit early Floyd, bit Beatle-y, bit > Electric Prunes but y'know, in a modern context. They're from Athens, > Georgia but don't sound like REM! Very accessible, nicely psyche. Thumbs > up from JB! When I bought my copy of _Succour_, the guy in the shop pointed out that they'd soon have in stock the new album by The Olivia Tremor Control, who contribute one track to disc 2 of _Succour_. (He seemed pretty keen on them.) The track they do on there, "The Ships," doesn't really grab me in a "must have" kind of way (okay, so they do have a hard job on their hands, following the Sundial track:), being an effects-laden faraway kind of affair that seems to scream "overt psychedelia [file under "trying too hard"]", and, yes, the person singing does appear to be doing an admirable John Lennon impression (but when you bury everything under that many effects, probably even Lemmy would sound like John Lennon). The track is pleasant enough, but not enough of a lure for me to buy anything else by them. Does anyone have any better recommendations, or does all their stuff sound like that? And whilst I'm on at it, there seems to be a whole slew of american psych. bands in that section of my local record shop that I've never ever heard mentioned on here, e.g. Bardo Pond, Jessamine, Nurse With Wound, Magic Hour, etc. Does anyone have any comments to offer? Btw, I notice that _Succour_ has now been released domestically in the USA. This release is a real bargain for psych. fans! Hunt it down mercilessly... :-) Cheers, Paul. ob2CD: Various, _Succour: The Terrascope Benefit Album_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 30 05:19:19 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 10:19:19 +0000 Subject: HW: Drugs (Re 1st Album) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Carl Edlund Anderson writes > I hear this. He-Man was never my trip (so to speak ;) but if they were >selling (and I could afford) Star Wars bedspread's I'd have 'em like a >shot. And I'm 25 and should know better (but--thank the gods--don't :) > >Cheers, >Carl Check out your local Argos, Carl. You should be able to get one for about 20 quid. Or I'll get you one, if you *really* want it. These things are available :) -- Jon Browne From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Sat Nov 30 15:27:45 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 20:27:45 -0000 Subject: HW: Damnation Alley - film Message-ID: Well I'm sure a number of have seen the atrocity that is the film Damnation Alley, does any one know if it's available on VHS or Laserdisk ? Which sets me off, I would dearly love to see the film remade following the book more closely. I would go for Direction by John Carpenter, Staring Kurt Russell, and James Spader. Music by you know who. Hope this fantasy trip doesn't wind anyone up ! Andy C From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Nov 30 09:08:30 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 01:08:30 +1100 Subject: HW: Technoey-trancey-ambientey sort of stuff Message-ID: Woops! Sorry about that folks ..... Paul From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Nov 30 09:07:52 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 01:07:52 +1100 Subject: HW: Technoey-trancey-ambientey sort of stuff Message-ID: On 30 Nov 96 at 11:30, Max Wilcox wrote: > After buying a new CD by Kraftwelt, I'm in "that" sort of > mood, and am > of the mind to make a few comments and questions. > What do people think of all of the Cleopatra HW related > things to come > out recently? I realy like Anubian Lights and I LOVE Spiral Realms. > I've never had even the vaguest liking for all of that sort of > ambient sort of stuff previous to getting a hold on the albums from > these people and have been, at least partialy, converted to some of > this kind of stuff. Admittedly, there's a lot of absolute shite out > there, but, as I've recently discovered, there's some worthwhile > things going on. > I thing I've noticed is that it seems that much of the realy > good > stuffseems to be coming from people who are established in the music > industry, but previusly would not be classified as ambient. A good > example of this is Psychic TV's Trip Reset. > I suspect that this kind of music is actually decended from > psychedelia, anyway. Giong back to Del's improvisation in Space > Ritual, one sees some fair similarities. > There seems to be a very good amount of SF/space related > ambient out > there, too. Which seems to further validate the space rock/ambient > connection. Of course there's other influences, a very important one > occurs to me, though I'm not sure how many people have picked up on > this, is the influence of Vangelis on this style. To me, he is a > pioneer of electronic music. > Off topic, related to the CD I've just bought, does anyone > know is > Kraftwelt are releted to (or the same as) Kraftwork? I love the > Kraftwork song on Space Daze, and am thinking of obtaining some more > of their stuff. > Anyway, I'm glaad I got this off my chest. I don't think I > could have > survived the day if I hadn't gotten rid of it. > > -Max Wilcox -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From skarsol at EROLS.COM Sat Nov 30 21:05:04 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 02:05:04 +0000 Subject: OFF: Olivia Tremor Control, USA psych., etc. Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > mentioned on here, e.g. Bardo Pond, Jessamine, Nurse With Wound, Magic > Hour, etc. Does anyone have any comments to offer? > only one of these bands have i heard: nurse with wound.i heard one track,and all i can remember is that i can't remember it.it didnt strike me.i have often heard them described as 'white noise'. sorry i couldn't be more help. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Sat Nov 30 21:11:04 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 02:11:04 +0000 Subject: HW: Damnation Alley - film Message-ID: Andy C wrote: > > Well I'm sure a number of have seen the atrocity that is the > film Damnation Alley, does any one know if it's available on > VHS or Laserdisk ? > > Which sets me off, I would dearly love to see the > film remade following the book more closely. I would go > for Direction by John Carpenter, Staring Kurt Russell, > and James Spader. Music by you know who. > > Hope this fantasy trip doesn't wind anyone up ! > > Andy C the film is available in the us on vhs,i rented it and dubbed a copy, mostly because i liked it when i was a kid.it is a slap in the face to roger, imo. bad special effects,blah acting,zero character development. im with ya tho',it is high time for a remake,and kurt russel would be fine,if he leaves snake pliskin out of it.(the escape from ny character is intended as a parody of action movie heroes.) i have always,as long as i can remember,been near-obsessed with post-apocalyptic themes. yeah,i guess that makes me weird.it also makes me watch a hell of a lot of BAD movies,which i usually love. rj