From stayer at PI.NET Wed May 1 01:23:37 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:23:37 PDT Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock Message-ID: >Well, here's what the FAQ has to say about "Cult Classic": [ cut ] >Notes: Released in 1994, on Herald Records. Ah, that could be the reason no one seems to have a bad copy of Burning For You! My copy of CC is released on Fragile Records. Maybe the Herald release has got a correct version. >The CD was released in 1996 in Europe under the title, "Champions Of >Rock". Well, Fragile Records are from the UK, so that actually is a European release by itself. I heard someone mention Burning For You is correct on the Champions Of Rock. I am starting to think I have some kind of rarity here, with the Fragile release of CC... :-) >What a valuable reference this FAQ is ;-) No BOC fan should be without >it! I am not! Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Wed May 1 01:11:14 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:11:14 PDT Subject: BOC: new release not in North America Message-ID: Interesting stuff here. Why should there be more BOC fans in the USA than in Europe? The reason of selling more records in the USA than in Europe is clear enough, I guess, but could be related to the next item. There are more people attending BOC shows in the USA than there are in Europe? We could also see that the other way around: doing more shows = attracting more people. The one (whine) BOC show I have attended (Stadthalle Mullheim, Koeln, 1992-09-24) was close to sold out. I am sure that over 50% of Bolle and Melne's subscribors are American. But I really hope the fans outside of USA are able to make a difference. For BOC's sake! :-) About the label... Are the CDs by SPV easy to get there in the USA? If not, it could be that SPV have difficulties putting their products on the American market. And yes, like Theo said, it might be pure strategy. If the new BOC records sells well in Europe, it is safe to expect it will do at least as well in the USA. Jerry From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed May 1 00:15:01 1996 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 00:15:01 -0400 Subject: Marshall will buoy Message-ID: Marshall will buoy, but Fender control... You know, I've always assumed that Pearlman had intended a double meaning to this phrase. Given that "fender" can mean "to ward off," I thought he may have also intended the phrase to mean "hold yourself up by gathering your will power in order to ward off control." Or am I reading too much into this? This is, after all, Pearlman, though... SET From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed May 1 17:02:05 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:02:05 EST Subject: HW: remasters - WOW! In-Reply-To: <199604021101.LAA03743@neptune.shef.ac.uk>; from "Chris Bates" at Apr 3, 96 11:01:17 am Message-ID: Well I just received my Package with the remasters and the EBS Sampler & yep there Bloody good. I was never a great lover of the 1st album ,but it sounds so clear and wonderful.The only one I haven't really played alot is "sorry mode on" Space Ritual,as i've been quite content to listen to the others.THe EBS sampler is ok, quite good value for 5 pounds ,I really like the spacehead track ,has anyone bought the album yet. THe packaging is excellent,overall its a bloody good job that EMI have done. I also agree that Doremi sounds like Monster Magnet. regards and very happy listening Marty obCd:Hall of the Mountain Grill-It's So easy,this song is so cool. From stayer at PI.NET Wed May 1 03:09:08 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 00:09:08 PDT Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: Andrew wrote: >I don't suppose anyone has heard a tape of Rick's first night >out... (Donnington? We need a Behrnard equivalent for BOC on here....). Why don't we use Bolle's tape list as a BOC gig guide? Jerry From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 1 05:43:02 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 10:43:02 +0100 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >Hope that helps.. Lyrics printed without permission (sue me...., no, > >don't!). Should be about 99% correct. > > All but that orbit line. I think you should use it. How about "Each night > the covers were in orbit"? Excellent! Now, if I can just work the phrase "Evil Banquet in Darkness" in ... :) I really must write a song with that phrase if tBS haven't beaten me to it! :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 1 05:41:18 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 10:41:18 +0100 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Apr 30, 96 11:56:17 pm Message-ID: > > Er, yes, (I've got all the BOC CDs) but that's in the States > >as well! :} But speaking of ETL, can someone remind me whether Al is > >drumming on the D&S on ETL? I believe he drummed on some to the ETL > >tracks, but not all ... > > Yes, it's an insane take done in haste! Ah, so would you recommend trying to sell them on the _Secret Treaties_ version? I've always considered the sound quality *much* better on the _ST_ version, of course but the ETL version has a more "modern" sound that is always useful for people not used to listening to stuff from the early 70s! ;) Mind you, I'm of two minds about whether I'd prefer to cover D&S or "I am the One" but I figured I'd plug whichever one the other band members seemed to like best. They agreed even without hearing it that any song that involved shouting "Dominance!" and "Submission!" would have a certain audience appeal :) though I also consider "I Am the One" a great song which needs moer airing than it's received ... Cheers, Carl ObHawkwind--"Masters of the Universe" is another possible cover :) though I'd prefer to cover BOC if there's a choice, since a lot of my original material already falls into space-rock territory and I'm aiming for variety ... From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Wed May 1 08:35:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 07:35:00 -0500 Subject: Codex Material Message-ID: Hello, I just got the new Freak Emporium catalog and noticed that Tuilah Dog have an lp out called: In search of Plaice. Not sure if Crum was in this unit or not..... Anyway, the last thing by Dr. Brown an ep called Dreamscape is out and features Huw Lloyd Langton on guitar. Anyone have this??? I am dying to hear it..as I loved the last Dr. Brown CD. Also noticed a new live Sundial CD-Live Drug.. Scott ObCassette: Frank Zappa- Boston 5/3/80 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed May 1 08:05:53 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 08:05:53 -0400 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock Message-ID: >Ah, that could be the reason no one seems to have a bad copy of Burning For You! My copy of CC is released on Fragile Records. Maybe the Herald release has got a correct version. Hmm... I should check more on this -- I have a (UK I belive) CD single of the Cult Classic version of Reaper/Burnin' that was released on Fragile. I'll have to check to see if the stutter is on there. BTW, Cagey Cretins is not on WotT. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed May 1 08:17:26 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 08:17:26 -0400 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: > Why don't we use Bolle's tape list as a BOC gig guide? Bolle may be compiling a complete list of all BOC shows and setlists based on his collection and knowledge. He's been working on it for awhile and I don't know the current status of the project, but I'll have to ask him about it when I talk to him (soon). My guess is that it will be a farily limited thing for fanclub members only. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed May 1 08:21:22 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 08:21:22 -0400 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock Message-ID: > The FAQ that you keep mentioning.... Is it available from this list? Is it on a web page? Where??? The FAQ is on a few of the BOC web pages. The best place to get it is from the BOC-L archive site, ftp.spc.edu - you can either use anonymous FTP or if you have a web browser, enter the following URL: ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l/boc_faq-2_1.txt Enjoy! John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed May 1 08:25:48 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 08:25:48 -0400 Subject: Bolle on new record deal Message-ID: Got an e-mail from Bolle about the new deal. He seems pretty excited about it, although he says that it is U.S. and Australia that the new album won't go to, but not to worry - he envisions them getting a U.S. distribution deal (BTW, for anyone on the list looking for a copy -- I'm sure a few of us will be able to find distributors so everyone will be able to get it). He also says that the currently recorded versions of the new stuff will remain as demos, and that they will re-record everything. Bolle will be catching BOC's upcoming Las Vegas gig and will probably get more info from the band at that time. Stay tuned... John From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed May 1 08:35:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 08:35:00 EDT Subject: Brain: Low volume amp!?! Message-ID: >I tried out a bunch of the new Fender reissues and they all sound pretty >sweet. I ended up getting a Fender Pro Junior and I love it. It's very >inexpensive (under 2 beans) and makes a slamming low volume amp. We're >using it a lot on the new Surgeons disk. But I like my BS loud! Rudy From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 1 08:57:43 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:57:43 +0100 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? In-Reply-To: <960430085925_524916248@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Andy Gilham wrote: > Carl > > > I actually own a copy of Bolle's official lyric book, but > >unfortunately it's in the States (yeah, I know--I brought my Icelandic > >dictionary over but not my BOC lyric book: where *are* my priorities ;) > > So just make something up, and sing it in Icelandic :) No! Don't do that! I remember seeing Bjork at Wembley (supporting U2, OK?), and when she started singing in Icelandic was definitely when she lost the audience's interest. Mind you, whoever put Bjork on between the Stereo MCs and U2 was in a strange mood anyway... JAZZA _____________________________________________________________________________ Jon Jarrett Pembroke College Cambridge "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 460728) One of 'em must be wrong.." jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk (Knopfler) ======================================================================== From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed May 1 09:00:46 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:00:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: >Its been 10 years >Half my life >Hope that helps.. Lyrics printed without permission (sue me...., no, >don't!). Should be about 99% correct. Just glancing at it I can't help but notice the complete absence of "Radios Appear"... > > _ > | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish > | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's >|_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." > > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed May 1 10:15:48 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:15:48 EST Subject: Marshall will buoy Message-ID: Al on amps: > theo posts: > > >are real beauts, just overpriced. I'd say you'd be ahead with a > >Blues DeVille. Much more versatility and plenty ballsy. I've played > >through its little brother, the Blues DeLuxe, and thats an amazing > >amp too, just smaller. > > I tried out a bunch of the new Fender reissues and they all sound pretty > sweet. I ended up getting a Fender Pro Junior and I love it. It's very > inexpensive (under 2 beans) and makes a slamming low volume amp. We're > using it a lot on the new Surgeons disk. (We also used Boogie Mark IV, > Carvan Stagemaster, Blackface 60's Fender Tremolux, Marshall 50 combo, 60's > Fender Princeton and Fender Twin Reverb) ...... most of the guitars on the > first 3 BOC albums were done with Don's 60's Fender Twin Reverb. > Al Al, Is the Pro Junior a tube or tranny? Doesn't seem like you could get a tube amp [of any size] at that price. How did Don get such distortion out of a Twin? Just crank the shit out of it, or did he use stomp boxes ahead? Have you tried slaving from the Boogie? It sounds amazing when you run a slave line into a clean amp, like an old Fender. All the tone controls interact that way. Change the treble on the slaved-into amp, and the tone on the slaving amp changes! Way cool. And what's this about a new Surgeons' disc? How far along are you? Demo stage or beyond? Themes? Sample lyrics? Song titles? theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed May 1 10:17:35 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:17:35 EST Subject: Marshall will buoy Message-ID: Steve wonders: > Marshall will buoy, but Fender control... > > You know, I've always assumed that Pearlman had intended a double meaning to > this phrase. Given that "fender" can mean "to ward off," I thought he may > have also intended the phrase to mean "hold yourself up by gathering your > will power in order to ward off control." Or am I reading too much into > this? This is, after all, Pearlman, though... > > SET No way of knowing. I always took it as straight musicians' metaphor, but I'm just a guitar/amp freak. theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed May 1 09:35:53 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:35:53 -0400 Subject: Brain: Low volume amp!?! Message-ID: Hey Al, which of the amps you mentioned do you all use on stage, and could you identify who plugs into what? John From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed May 1 10:25:09 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 10:25:09 -0400 Subject: HW: remasters - WOW! In-Reply-To: <9605010602.AA18526@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> from "Martyn Lawrence" at May 1, 96 04:02:05 pm Message-ID: Martyn Lawrence writes: > > Well I just received my Package with the remasters and the EBS > Sampler & yep there Bloody good. > I was never a great lover of the 1st album ,but it sounds so > clear and wonderful.The only one I haven't really played alot is > "sorry mode on" Space Ritual,as i've been quite content to > listen to the others.THe EBS sampler is ok, quite good value for Funny you should say that, because Space Ritual is the remaster that I could most easily have done without. One Way's release was a bit soft around the edges, but so crashingly heavy that you couldn't possibly fault it. EMI's release is much sharper, but I find that sharpness wasn't something that I greatly wanted out of Space Ritual. The release is very nice, but not something that I was desperately in need of. (All the others *were* desperately needed.) Steve From epresley at IU.NET Wed May 1 10:28:07 1996 From: epresley at IU.NET (Eddie W. Presley Jr.) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 10:28:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: Lyrics to I am the one Message-ID: Here are the lyrics to I Am the One You Warned Me Of: Sorry if it repeats other posts: Fresh from zones of moisture And afterwards the meat With spangles on my long-tailed suits And songs to haunt the one that's saved Just call me Desdinova I'm sure to be the lucky one When destiny assigns wisdom Known to me - the Starry Wisdom I am the one you warned me of I am the one who'd never, never lie The writing in the notebook Notation from the stars Songs by Desdinova And frost warnings from the women's farm Whose agents could not ever see His hilly eyes and two green rings Obscured sight and fancy dreams Holy mass, those 13 fancy dreams I am the one you warned me of I am the one who'd never, never lie Eyes like bottles and hands in my hair Bottles of blackness with blackness to spare I'll sit myself behind that clock And play tunes on its belfry Five fingers have I to play them like ten Ten fingers have I to play them again In decimal chains whose mimic cry Whose notes will never, never fly Until they quit they timely tubes And entered that system from outside I am the one you warned me of I am the one who never, never lies See... posting lyrics isn't so hard...This come from the archives, and as a disclaimer, I would say the singing is just slurry enough that I really call into question some of the words here. I say listen to the song as you read the words and make any amendments you feel necessary. If these words are from the official song book... then someone really needs to teach those guys to enunciate!! From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Wed May 1 11:05:55 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 08:05:55 -0700 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: >On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Chris and Ginny Sargent wrote: > >> And songs to haunt the one that's saved > >I always thought the line was "And songs to haunt the one that sings" > >-- >William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu Whatever they really are, I was really glad to hear BOC lyrics that were properly inscrutable and occult-ish once again- SP "As long as someone wields the whip, someone else will want to kiss it." -G. Gordon Gordon From chip at PCC.COM Wed May 1 11:58:03 1996 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 11:58:03 -0400 Subject: Marshall will buoy In-Reply-To: <7DF9F59081D@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at May 1, 96 09:17:35 am Message-ID: > > You know, I've always assumed that Pearlman had intended a double meaning to > > this phrase. Given that "fender" can mean "to ward off," I thought he may > > have also intended the phrase to mean "hold yourself up by gathering your > > will power in order to ward off control." Or am I reading too much into > > this? This is, after all, Pearlman, though... Well, that IS a BOC trick, after all. "Time to play, besides/B-Sides..." "let me loose I fear/Lucifer..." I'm sure there are plenty of others. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 1 18:01:14 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 18:01:14 BST Subject: OFF: New Porky Tree..... In-Reply-To: Keith A Henderson's message of Tue, 30 Apr 1996 19:41:14 -0400 Message-ID: Keith A Henderson writes: > > What's the name of the new album, and when should we expect it?? > > It's called 'Signify' and will be out in August on Delerium (I guess UK only > for the moment). The single seems a bit early doesn't it?? > the single is prob being released to coincide with the tour. Apparently my local Independent trader had them but has now sold out. More due in tomorrow. It's been released in both vinyl and CD format. The US version of Sky Moves Sideways is muchly superior to the UK because it has both Stars Die and Moonloop on it - get this in preference if you have a choice. There's also a Porcupine Tree Newsletter. Currently the 2nd issue has just been produced and if anyone is interested I can give them an address to write to. > > I also found the PT tour dates for the UK (May)....starts tomorrow!! > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Edinburgh Venue (2nd) yep! Here's hoping for a good show. jill obHawkwindcontent> none - sorry! obweathercontent> it's snowing > > > I think Marillion started out this way also, with a flood of > > EP's and singles before they got a steady record deal with EMI. > Were these not released by EMI? I think they spent the first several releases just catching up with all their favourite live tracks but I could be misremembering. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed May 1 13:52:23 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:52:23 -0400 Subject: OFF: New Porky Tree..... In-Reply-To: <9605011801.aa25365@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Jill wrote: > The US version of Sky Moves Sideways is muchly superior to the UK > because it has both Stars Die and Moonloop on it - get this in > preference if you have a choice. Yes, but the version of "Moonloop" is edited down, so you're not really getting "Moonloop" but "Moonloop (Edit)," and "muchly superior" gets thrown into question. Of course, in the USA, you can get the full version of "Moonloop" by buying the _Stars Die_ EP, but then you get a duplicate copy of "Stars Die" assuming you've bought the US _The Sky Moves Sideways_. Sounds like Hawkwind collecting all over again, doesn't it? :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Various, _Our Band Could Be Your Life_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed May 1 15:04:00 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 14:04:00 EST Subject: OFF: New Porky Tree..... Message-ID: Jill writes: >the single is prob being released to coincide with the tour. >Apparently my local Independent trader had them but has now sold out. >More due in tomorrow. It's been released in both vinyl and CD format. I believe that the vinyl and the CD-single have different tracklistings (sorry Keith :-) ). I'm thinking I might try putting together a title discography for P.Tree tonight, and list how similar releases differ. If I do this, I'll post it. >The US version of Sky Moves Sideways is muchly superior to the UK >because it has both Stars Die and Moonloop on it - get this in >preference if you have a choice. Be aware that the "Moonloop" on the US 'Sky..' is only 8 min long, as opposed to the 18 min full length version on the 'Star Die' and 'Moonloop' EPs. I think the US one is also missing a 1.5 min seque between two tunes, but nothing critical is lost. >There's also a Porcupine Tree Newsletter. Currently the 2nd issue has >just been produced and if anyone is interested I can give them an address >to write to. This is called 'Voyage 35' isn't it? Has anybody seen either issue? If it is worthwhile, I'll send away for a copy of each. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed May 1 14:07:03 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 14:07:03 -0400 Subject: Marshall will buoy Message-ID: >> > You know, I've always assumed that Pearlman had intended a double > "Time to play, besides/B-Sides..." > > "let me loose I fear/Lucifer..." > > I'm sure there are plenty of others. ones I always had differently: Black Blade: "Killing so its power can grow.. grow.. grow.. I always thought he was saying "row! row!" as in some kind of reneactment of the scene in which the reever fleet is being overtaken by the battle-barges of Melnibone'.... Veterans of the Psychic Wars This one is almost embarassing to admit. For years (until I got ETL and saw the lyrics) I thought the line "Where the tides of madness swell" was "Where the taco bandits dwell". Don't ask me why... ... Do we need to mention how many people on this list thought "Ant Track Tools" was "Amtrack Trains"?? +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed May 1 19:41:25 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 19:41:25 BST Subject: OFF: New Porky Tree..... Message-ID: > Jill wrote: > > > The US version of Sky Moves Sideways is muchly superior to the UK > > because it has both Stars Die and Moonloop on it - get this in > > preference if you have a choice. > > Yes, but the version of "Moonloop" is edited down, so you're not really > getting "Moonloop" but "Moonloop (Edit)," So surely that should be called "Moonlopped"... :) bye - Rob From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed May 1 15:09:41 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 15:09:41 -0400 Subject: Marshall will buoy Message-ID: The Fender Pro is a tube amp. It's really great-- and it goes up to 12! Beats Nigel Tufnel by a whole digit! Last night saw Eric Ambel (ex-Joan Jett, Del Lords, who when not producing, is now in a band with the guy who WAS the Georgia Satellites, Dan Baird) and complimented him on his excellent taste--he was using the same model. He said he's been turning everybody on to 'em. It does hum a little, but it's the deal of the century. We are using it a lot on our new album. The answer to your question, Theo, is that we recorded 15 songs (but a couple will probably be saved for one reason or purpose or another). All the basic tracking and most leads are done, a couple of lead vocals are keepers, and now we're doing the vocals and whatever else occurs to us at the moment. Don't really want to spoil the surprises, but it's as much of a jump between Trepanation and this one as Trep was a evolutionary step from Eponymous. The sounds are better than ever (partly due to an improvement in rooms, partly due to the involvement of a really great and extremely knowledgable engineer, Paul Special-- so we didn't have to do it all ourselves, and engineering is not any of our areas of expertise, just something we did out of utter necessity). It's very live sounding. We think it's the best thing we've done so far. And can't wait til it's ready for everyone to hear. There's really a lot of growth in all areas. With each thing we do, we try to improve, and if you liked Trepanation, well, this will even be better.... DF From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed May 1 15:50:21 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 15:50:21 -0400 Subject: Marshall will buoy Message-ID: >sounding. We think it's the best thing we've done so far. And can't wait til >it's ready for everyone to hear. There's really a lot of growth in all areas. >With each thing we do, we try to improve, and if you liked Trepanation, well, >this will even be better.... >DF Got a name yet? If it starts with letter "I", then the three will start with the letters "E.T.I." and we can spend all summer debating whether this was intentional. Did you know you can spell "BOATS" from the first letters of the first five BOC albums? (an obvious reference to some kind of alien arkships)... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Wed May 1 16:33:40 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:33:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: I've not heard Rick's FULL first show, but I have an aud tape of Alberts last show, 08/18/81, Norfolk Pavillion, West Runton, UK. Albert apparently either ran into traffic, got lost or had bad instructions to the venue. Regardless, he arrived REALLY late. The show had started and Rick played drums on the first 4 or 5 songs. The Albert arrived and took over. At this show, Cities was played as an encore! Apparently, when its' turn came in the setlist, Albert hadn't arrived yet, so they skipped it. The show itself is nothing special, it's memorable only as being Albert's last as a member of BOC. R. BTW, according to Bolle's tapelist, there was an 08/19/81 show was at the Venue In London (Apparently Rick's first FULL show). There was an 08/20/81 show in Dunstable and the Donnington show was 08/22/81. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Wed May 1 17:30:12 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:30:12 -0400 Subject: Marshall will buoy Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-01 16:25:04 EDT, Andrew A. Apold writes: >Got a name yet? If it starts with letter "I", then the three will start >with the letters "E.T.I." and we can spend all summer debating whether this >was intentional. Did you know you can spell "BOATS" from the first letters >of the first five BOC albums? (an obvious reference to some kind of alien >arkships)... Andrew, you have WAAAY too much free time on your hands... :-) R. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed May 1 18:52:36 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:52:36 EST Subject: Marshall will buoy Message-ID: > >Got a name yet? If it starts with letter "I", then the three will start > >with the letters "E.T.I." and we can spend all summer debating whether this > >was intentional. Did you know you can spell "BOATS" from the first letters > >of the first five BOC albums? (an obvious reference to some kind of alien > >arkships)... > > Andrew, you have WAAAY too much free time on your hands... > > :-) > > R. Hey! The first letter of each of the first 3 BOC albums yields: TBS=The Brain Surgeons. Al has finally had a measure of revenge theo [who also has too much free time!] New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed May 1 18:17:27 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 18:17:27 -0400 Subject: Marshall will buoy Message-ID: I think "Time to play B sides" is just what it is. That's actually one of my favorite lines-- it's Meltzer, though, not Pearlman. And Fender Control is what it is, too-- an attempt to be clever w/the merchandise... there's a point when trying to find too much meaning--i.e., fending off-- obscures the basic, simple, direct thing that was being said in the first place! From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Wed May 1 19:27:11 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:27:11 -0700 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: At 11:56 PM 4/30/96 -0400, you wrote: >>Each night the girls were in orbit (yes, thats what my lyric sheet > >uh, I seem to recall - Each night the covers were unfolded >>Hope that helps.. Lyrics printed without permission (sue me...., no, >>don't!). Should be about 99% correct. > >All but that orbit line. I think you should use it. How about "Each night >the covers were in orbit"? So, clue us in, what is the correct line? I sent away for the lyrics back in '75 or so and I swear it said "Girls were in orbit".. There were other more obvious errors in there as I recall. Damn but I wish I knew what ever happened to those sheets. I used to impress my friends by actually knowing all the words to ME262.. :) _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Wed May 1 19:31:00 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:31:00 -0700 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: At 09:00 AM 5/1/96 -0400, you wrote: >>Its been 10 years >>Half my life >>Hope that helps.. Lyrics printed without permission (sue me...., no, >>don't!). Should be about 99% correct. > >Just glancing at it I can't help but notice the complete absence of >"Radios Appear"... Yup, I screwed that one up... Ooops... _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From chriss at MDC.NET Wed May 1 17:32:52 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 22:32:52 +0100 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: >So, clue us in, what is the correct line? Check out the FAQ's @ ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l/boc_faq-2_1.txt Albert gave you the correct line:"Each night the covers were unfolded" From tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Wed May 1 22:58:32 1996 From: tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Tox) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 22:58:32 -0400 Subject: Crossed Wires 1.1 Message-ID: Ow ow ow ow ow. Crossed Wires 1.1 The first days of May were rolling through New England with a rage of gusting winds and heavy mid-Atlantic rain. Route 9 through western Massachusetts was an inch of muddy water coursing over black asphalt. In the eastbound lane, blurry headlights cut into the night as a lone pickup truck forged through the storm, its bed occupied by a long box strapped down under red and black tarpaulins. The pickup's driver peered into the impenetrable gloom ahead, then glanced at the rear-view mirror. He thought he could just make out the three dark forms shadowing the truck about sixty yards back. Motorcyclists, riding with no lights through the teeth of the storm; probably the same ones who had been following him since Monterey. There was no way to tell if they were friend or foe, and not much to be done about it either way. The driver rubbed his bloodshot eyes and forced his attention back to the slippery, winding road. A boarded-up gas station flashed by on his left; he checked his gauge and saw that the pickup was running on fumes. Windsor Mountain had eaten up more fuel than he'd anticipated, draining the last precious drops of gas from the external tanks he'd had rigged up for the return trip from California. The lone driver, Sir Scott Heller, a Knight of the Hawk, lifted a thermos of barely-warm coffee to his lips and drained it in one go. It helped a little, but his sleep-deprived system needed more than caffeine to sustain it through the grueling last leg of his transcontinental mission. Sir Scott took a weary hand off the wheel long enough to increase the volume of the truck stereo. The reinforced surge of *Assault and Battery* lent strength to his ravaged nerves; and with any luck, he thought, the powerful Hawkwind emanations would help camouflage the nature of his precious cargo from those who had sought to block him at every turn. The green slopes of Pioneer Valley rose up on either side of the road. On the right, the Westfield River was in full flood, lapping over its banks and sending eddies across the road's rainswept surface. Sir Scott held the truck steady as the road curved around the foot of stone-crowned Deer Hill. The bikes behind him kept pace, silent and nearly invisible. As the dark bulk of the ill-omened hillside fell away to the left, the dark-haired knight saw his exit: an unpaved, unmarked road that split off to the left, just preceding a large concrete bridge that was already half-awash in rising floodwaters. The truck driver hit his directional, milked the brakes twice and threw the wheel over hard. The pickup's skidding tires sent up great sheets of water as the vehicle slewed around, righted itself and then shot down the side road which curved unexpectedly hard right, forcing another desperate hairpin in the rain. The truck stabilized just in time for Sir Scott to catch sight of the three dark cyclists as they shot across the bridge in a wild hydroplaning skid, impacting against the concrete uprights in a colossal eruption of spraying petrol and twisted metal. He would never know if they had been friends or enemies, but as the afterimage of the blossoming gas-tanks faded from his eyes a strange feeling of completed destiny - of redemption - settled over him. Galvanized now against the fatigue, the hunger and the need to pee really bad, Sir Scott bore right down a dead-end dirt road, past two long-abandoned farmhouses and up the drive to a sagging, ancient red-roofed building. Standing in the drive was a hooded figure with a flashlight. It waved him along a grassy track, up the slope of the hill into which the old farmhouse had been built and now seemed to be sinking. Past the house stood a crumbling barn, its double doors open. Sir Scott navigated the pickup through the low doorway, parked the truck and switched off the ignition. The little pickup seemed to sigh as the motor was finally allowed to rest and cool. The hooded figure stepped into the barn and the great doors slammed shut behind it. The figure hastily shot several locks and bolts, then drew a heavy bar across the doors. Sir Scott wearily reached for the door handle and swung his legs out of the truck. He walked in small circles across the hay-strewn floor, trying to work the stiffness from his joints, while the hooded one finished securing the barn entrance by fastening two heavy lengths of chain with a fist-sized padlock stamped with a certain alchemical symbol. Satisfied, the figure stepped back and drew back its waterproof black hood. Sir Scott instantly recognised the pale features and lopsided grin of Thinwire Boy, the Renegade Agent who had enlisted his aid for this crucial mission... "You look like hell warmed over, Scott. Let's take the stuff downstairs; I've got the stove going and there's food." The knight and the agent pulled the box out of the truck bed and manhandled it down a narrow, unlit stairway to the lower level of the barn. The knight went slowly, testing his weight on the splintered planks. "You've got to fix these stairs, man. Somebody's gonna get themselves killed trying to walk down here..." "True enough. In August, actually." "In August you're gonna fix the stairs?" "No, in August somebody's going to get killed trying to walk down here. Nobody you know, though. Mind the last step, it's got dry rot." Sir Scott was fairly certain the Thinwire Boy was just shitting him. The lower level of the barn was crammed half full of cobwebbed, decrepit wooden cattle-harnesses, screen windows, cider presses and assorted debris. the remaining area was partitioned into two rooms with stone flooring and new-looking reinforced half-timber walls. One room was secured by a chicken-wire door and smelled strongly of hay and feathers. The other was a typical Thinwire Boy nest: papers, equipment, books and weaponry piled in heaps around a bedroll, two chairs, a faucet and basin, a Franklin stove and a locked antique cabinet. They dropped the box in the corridor and stepped into the nest. Sir Scott caught the smell of homemade stew and nearly drooled down his beard. He hadn't had a bite since he'd crossed the Mississippi. He sank into a chair while the Thinwire Boy ladled out a bowl of chicken stew and passed it to him, along with an Anchor Steam. The agent waited while the famished hawk-knight devoured the stew and washed it down with the beer. A little life seemed to return to Sir Scott's features. "That was good, thanks." "Want seconds? There's plenty." "Maybe in a minute. Umm, is there a phone I can use here?" "Not a secure one. But your ladyfriend has been notified that you made it back safely, and will see you tomorrow in Boston." "Okay, then." Scott shook his head. "That was one hairy trip out to California, toxic one. A helicopter buzzed my outside of Boulder. I had to swing down into Texas to lose some guys in a grey limo. And there were these three really spooky guys on motorcycles...were they on our side?" "Kind of." "They crashed on the bridge, by the turn-off." "Yeah, I know. They did what they had to do." Scott shot his ally a look. Thinwire Boy held up his palms. "If I could explain, I would..." "Okay, okay. But now is when you fill me in on what's in the box, right?" "Sure. Hang on." The Thinwire Boy rummaged around for a magnesium strip and a blowtorch and stepped out into the corridor. White sparks flared for a few moments while he lanced the box's welded-shut lock and sprang the lid. The agent set down the torch and smiled, silently regarding the five velvet-wrapped objects laid out in the box. "Perfect. These are perfect." He motioned for the knight to come and see. "sir Scott, you've been a fantastic help and a great friend. It's past time you heard the full story..." to be continued From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu May 2 04:43:07 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 03:43:07 -0500 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: On 30-APR-1996 23:37:22.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >>Not "blacker dispare"? >Hey, I types 'em as I reads 'em! >> >>>In decimal chains whose mimic cry >> >>Not "Mimicry"? Nope, "mimic cry" to rhyme with "never fly" >> >>Ah well, I'm the guy who used to think CCR was saying "There's the >bathroom >on the right" instead of "There's a bad moon on the rise" >when I was a kid.. . >Yes, and I thought it was "gitchin for a runnin" in "Born to be Wild"! >Chris My best ever, from Zep's "How Many More Times": "I'm Harvey the Hotdog, that's my name... Harvey the Hotdog, that's how I got my name" Chuck `[1;37;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK Thu May 2 08:50:21 1996 From: m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK (M.R.VARLEY) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 08:50:21 GMT+0 Subject: BOC: Albert/Rick transition in UK Message-ID: > I've not heard Rick's FULL first show, but I have an aud tape of Alberts last > show, 08/18/81, Norfolk Pavillion, West Runton, UK. > > Albert apparently either ran into traffic, got lost or had bad instructions > to the venue. Regardless, he arrived REALLY late. The show had started and > Rick played drums on the first 4 or 5 songs. The Albert arrived and took > over. > > At this show, Cities was played as an encore! Apparently, when its' turn > came in the setlist, Albert hadn't arrived yet, so they skipped it. > > The show itself is nothing special, it's memorable only as being Albert's > last as a member of BOC. > > R. > > BTW, according to Bolle's tapelist, there was an 08/19/81 show was at the > Venue In London (Apparently Rick's first FULL show). There was an 08/20/81 > show in Dunstable and the Donnington show was 08/22/81. > I was at the London Venue show (they played as Soft White Underbelly both there and at Norfolk, as 'secret'(ish) warm-ups for Donnington). Albert played at London for the entire set. I also saw them at Donnington (Rick's first full show) three days later - that was a Monsters of Rock thing and they were about 3rd on the bill so it was a shorter set anyway. Nevertheless the difference between Donnington (poor show) and London (excellent) was interesting! I remember a picture in 'Sounds' (now-defunct Brit music paper) of Eric being annoyed after Donnington and jumping on a silver disc award or something similar! Martin From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu May 2 05:13:02 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 10:13:02 +0100 Subject: BOC: Albert/Rick transition in UK In-Reply-To: <2D0FF98379E@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > I was at the London Venue show (they played as Soft White Underbelly > both there and at Norfolk, as 'secret'(ish) warm-ups for Donnington). > Albert played at London for the entire set. > > I also saw them at Donnington (Rick's first full show) three days > later - that was a Monsters of Rock thing and they were about 3rd on > the bill so it was a shorter set anyway. Nevertheless the difference > between Donnington (poor show) and London (excellent) was > interesting! I remember a picture in 'Sounds' (now-defunct Brit music > paper) of Eric being annoyed after Donnington and jumping on a > silver disc award or something similar! > > Martin > I was at the London show also, which was an absolute stormer. I was right at the front and just missed out on getting Eric's bottle of beer that he handed out during Roadhouse Blues. But it's not surprising that Eric was annoyed after Donnington, as this really was an important moment in BOCs career. FoUO had just come out and was doing well, and a good show at Donnington might have really built up the BOC fan base in Britain. But for whatever reason, it all went pear-shaped, what with Albert getting fired (why?) and the sound at Donnington being so bad (in the press, Eric said it was sabotage). Things never quite recovered after that. Dave From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu May 2 05:25:20 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 05:25:20 -0400 Subject: BOC: Albert/Rick transition in UK Message-ID: Dave said: >I was at the London show also, which was an absolute stormer. I was right >at the front and just missed out on getting Eric's bottle of beer that he >handed out during Roadhouse Blues. That was probably my fault :) - Andy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 2 07:34:21 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 12:34:21 +0100 Subject: HW: remasters - WOW! In-Reply-To: <199605011425.KAA15818@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at May 1, 96 10:25:09 am Message-ID: > > The only one I haven't really played alot is > > "sorry mode on" Space Ritual,as i've been quite content to > > listen to the others.THe EBS sampler is ok, quite good value for > > Funny you should say that, because Space Ritual is the remaster that I > could most easily have done without. One Way's release was a bit soft > around the edges, but so crashingly heavy that you couldn't possibly > fault it. > EMI's release is much sharper, but I find that sharpness wasn't > something that I greatly wanted out of Space Ritual. The release is > very nice, but not something that I was desperately in need of. (All > the others *were* desperately needed.) I agree that of the One Way releases, _SR_ was probably the best, but I'm really happy with the clarity on the EMI _SR_. Removing the LP fadeouts was also a plus, as were the nice clean Greasy Truckers tracks. The packaging was also really excellent. All that could have improved SR was including full versions of "Time We Left" and "Brainstorm". I don't care whether that would have impaired the "classicness" of the original album by adding more material, it's the way it *should* be. But I not going to complain about what I got too much! ;) The new _SR_ has made me happier with a good album and the new _Doremi_ has cleaned up the sound to turn a dodgy sounding CD release back into a good one. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Thu May 2 10:50:02 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 10:50:02 U Subject: BOC: Albert/Rick transition in UK Message-ID: > Nevertheless the difference > between Donnington (poor show) and London (excellent) was > interesting! I remember a picture in 'Sounds' (now-defunct Brit music > paper) of Eric being annoyed after Donnington and jumping on a > silver disc award or something similar! Yup, I remember that pic too. He was actually jumping on the commemorative plaque that all bands got for performing the show. Cheers, Rich. ** "Supercalifragalisticborussiamunchengladbach" ** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 2 07:50:03 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 12:50:03 +0100 Subject: Marshall will buoy In-Reply-To: <960501150940_525858320@emout13.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at May 1, 96 03:09:41 pm Message-ID: > Don't really want to spoil the > surprises, but it's as much of a jump between Trepanation and this one as > Trep was a evolutionary step from Eponymous. The sounds are better than ever > [...] It's very live > sounding. We think it's the best thing we've done so far. And can't wait til > it's ready for everyone to hear. Do we have an estimated release date (or date range) yet? Steve Swann on hearing the demos, etc.: "A riff! A riff!" :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 2 07:53:41 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 12:53:41 +0100 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? In-Reply-To: <960501163339_525912290@emout07.mail.aol.com> from "Rocker22@AOL.COM" at May 1, 96 04:33:40 pm Message-ID: > I've not heard Rick's FULL first show, but I have an aud tape of Alberts last > show, 08/18/81, Norfolk Pavillion, West Runton, UK. > The show itself is nothing special, it's memorable only as being Albert's > last as a member of BOC. Well, there was also those few weeks or whatever in '85 or so. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 2 07:57:59 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 12:57:59 +0100 Subject: Crossed Wires 1.1 In-Reply-To: from "Tox" at May 1, 96 10:58:32 pm Message-ID: > Ow ow ow ow ow. Out of the black of night, with horrible vengeance, Tox delurks ... :) Cheers, Carl From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu May 2 08:32:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 08:32:00 EDT Subject: HW: Dave Saw it Coming Message-ID: I read some stuff to the effect that a law now requires all clubs in England playing music after 3am must play low level ambient music every alternate hour. If this is true, the clever machinations of Dave's that produced Business of the Future and White Zone are now revealed. Or did he play a role in passing this law? This is one of the better business moves I've seen in a long time. Combined with the remasters to get people to buy albums they already have, this shows signs of somebody who is becoming a master at milking the market. Create a need and the means to fill it. Rudy PS - Sir Scott, next time stick to the Mass Pike. The drainage is much better and the speed limit higher. Of course, it makes for a less interesting tale. 5 precious objects, and somehow related to HW. Wonder what those might be. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 2 08:40:30 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 13:40:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Dave Saw it Coming In-Reply-To: <31881FCF@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at May 2, 96 08:32:00 am Message-ID: > I read some stuff to the effect that a law now requires all clubs in England > playing music after 3am must play low level ambient music every alternate > hour. If this is true, the clever machinations of Dave's that produced > Business of the Future and White Zone are now revealed. Or did he play a > role in passing this law? It is the business of the future to be ambient ;) Cleary a subtle double meaning was implied in the original title. > PS - Sir Scott, next time stick to the Mass Pike. The drainage is much > better and the speed limit higher. Of course, it makes for a less > interesting tale. 5 precious objects, and somehow related to HW. Wonder > what those might be. Perhaps including the great guitar Godblaster, or the dread bass Bone Shiverer (which all men fear and all women love) ...? The return of the all-mighty Delatron? Only time will tell ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu May 2 10:28:38 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 09:28:38 EST Subject: Marshall will buoy Message-ID: Deb on Amps: > The Fender Pro is a tube amp. It's really great-- and it goes up to 12! Beats > Nigel Tufnel by a whole digit! > > > We are using it a lot on our new album. The answer to your question, Theo, is > that we recorded 15 songs (but a couple will probably be saved for one reason > DF Sounds like a great amp. Imagine my embarassment over not knowing more about it yet. Could you please indulge me with a few more particulars, as I'm about to rush out and get one? How much wattage, what size speaker, what type power tubes, and are you using the amp's distorion or putting stomp boxes ahead? Also, is the best distorion on it from cranking to 12 or using it's (I presume it has one) gain cranked and the master turned back? Or all volumes on 12? Also, is it loud enough for a small club, or strictly for recording? thanks a million! theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 2 10:19:00 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 15:19:00 +0100 Subject: BOC: ME262 In-Reply-To: <7552E926424@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: Jazza does his normal bit of replying to a thread long after it's dropped... Argument a little while back about what point ME262 was trying to make. I don't think it's standing anywhere on politics really, it's more about getting past the politics to the personal dilemma facing Von Ondine (which has to be Imaginos-related, but I don't yet know how): "Must these Englishmen live that I might die?" Up in the sky Nazism or whatever doesn't matter: maybe it should, but if it's his life against theirs, and if the evil of the regime means he ought to let the bombs fall, he's not going to bother being moral... Other sidethreads: it kind of makes the plane the source of his power, which of course it is in a real sense, but also in a justificatory sense: this is the 'Prince of Turbojet', after all, and the sheer ability to destroy in the name of any cause that the plane displays is all the excuse it needs to unleash it... Sort of like an airborne `Black Blade' with a patriotic edge. If you really need politics in it, then I reckon it's patriotism before all else. After all, `Von Ondine' is a noble and therefore statistically less likely to be a Nazi.. But on the other hand, considering the detail errors elsewhere in the song I doubt very much that the subtext is that carefully put together... Errors, for the pedants (like me!): the 262 didn't fly at night, except a very few two-seater versions: but Ondine is alone surely. The British didn't use Fortresses except for ECM work this late in the war, and the Americans only flew them in daytime. No 262 carried both cannon (`gray-silver slugs') and the R4M rocket installation in the `snout', and those with that installation never tested it in combat because of the blinding effect of twenty-four rockets firing off from right before the pilot's eyes. Not to say Von Ondine couldn't be flying an experimental one for an emergency mission, but special pleading required, I think. Hmmm. Am I taking this all a bit too seriously? JAZZA /_________________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 460728) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ========================================================================| | "There is a certain pleasure in being mad, which none but madmen know" | \_________________________________________________________________________/ From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu May 2 10:43:56 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 10:43:56 -0400 Subject: HW: Dave Saw it Coming Message-ID: These are pretty heavy allegations, you know! I might have accused Brock of all sorts of evils, but "commercial acumen" wouldn't feature near the top of the list :)) - Andy ObAlien4 - I heard this is going into production later this year, starring none other than... Winona Ryder?!? From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 2 15:40:24 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 15:40:24 BST Subject: The Blood of Man Message-ID: This track was on the Chaos video. Can anyone remember which track it really is? Cheers FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu May 2 11:50:40 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 11:50:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: Burnin' 4 U on CC Message-ID: Well, I've checked at 2:37 on my CD copy of "Cult Classic", as well as my 3-song (guess which 3) promo sampler of "Cult Classic" (both released on Herald), and my 2 song promo (Reaper/Burnin') released on Fragile, and NONE of them have any noticible problems at 2:37 (or anywhere else that I could find) on "Burnin' For You". Oh yeah, my copy of "Champions of Rock" doesn't have it either. I think I should check through my CD collection and see how many copies of "the big 3" I have on CD - I have a feeling it may be in the double digits... John From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed May 1 11:53:49 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 11:53:49 +2000 Subject: The Blood of Man In-Reply-To: <9605021540.aa00136@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In <9605021540.aa00136 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, on 05/02/96 at 03:40 PM, M Holmes said: >This track was on the Chaos video. Can anyone remember which track it >really is? Magnu Angels of Death Assault & Battery The Blood of Man <----- Master of the Universe Dreaming City Utopia Brainstorm Sonic Attack Assassins of Allah My copy is bad (or so it seems). It's on Visionary, the music sounds almost like the tape isn't tracking properly (fades in and out). I've tried the tape on four different machines and the same thing happens on all of them. ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu May 2 12:29:13 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 12:29:13 -0400 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-02 08:03:15 EDT, you write: >> The show itself is nothing special, it's memorable only as being Albert's >> last as a member of BOC. > > Well, there was also those few weeks or whatever in '85 or so. > >Cheers, >Carl >From what I understand, Albert was not considered by the band to be a member of BOC during that period. He was considered a "hired hand" for those shows. Either that, or he was fired again... R. From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu May 2 13:33:19 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 12:33:19 EST Subject: The Blood of Man Message-ID: I just picked up an NTSC copy of this one, and I'm trying to return it right now. The sound quality was good (after I turned off the digital tracking and played with it manually), but the picture refuses to stay tracked no matter what I do. I have several VCRs, and they all show the same symptoms. I heard a rumour from Mike Coleman that RPM Records has had several of these vids returned for poor quality reasons. Actually, the video seems to spend a lot of its time displaying the background lightshow rather than the band, who are in darkness for much of the show. There are repeated pictures of a 6-foot skull, and a Frank Frazetta image of a horned guy wielding a scimitar over its head, as well as others. I *did* run a copy off on tape while I was playing with it, but I don't remember right now what the mislabeled song is. I do know that I didn't hear any "new" songs at all while I was watching the vid, so I'm pretty certain we have already heard the song called "Blood of Man" under a different name. I'll check my dub tonight. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu May 2 12:40:57 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 12:40:57 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOC to appear in GOLDMINE Message-ID: The current (May 10) issue of GOLDMINE, on page 212, has a picture of BOC, circa '81 or '82 (Downey is in the band) under "Goldmine's Coming Attractions". A paragraph below indicates that Steve Roeser spoke to the 5 original members, as well as Sandy Pearlman and that the JUNE 7 issue of Goldmine "will feature the definitive cover story on Blue Oyster Cult". From past conversations with Bolle, he had indicated that he would be assisting with this as well. The June 7 issue will be on sale on May 24 - as a subscriber, I'll probably get it by about the 17th or 18th, and will provide more info then. John From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu May 2 13:50:00 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 12:50:00 EST Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree discography Message-ID: Well, here is the P.Tree discog that I promised/threatened to post. If anybody knows of any items missing (particularly compilation appearances), please consider dropping me a quick Email with info. ALSO: Anybody possessing a copy of the "Radio Active" CD, I'm interested in buying, trading, or taping the disk. E-me. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com Porcupine Tree discography 2 May 1996 ====================================== Porcupine Tree is primarily the fruit of one person: Steven Wilson. However, in late 1993 Steven formed the core of a true band and began playing live gigs. Since then, the recordings have been much more of a group effort. Note on my notation: "(x3)" signifies there are 3 songs on the release. All items are UK only unless specified. Albums and EPs -------------- * Tarquins Seaweed Farm (1989) - cassette only (deleted) (x13) * The Nostalgia Factory (1991) - cassette only (deleted) (x14) These items were recorded between 1988-91 by Steven Wilson, acting mostly alone, at home. * On the Sunday of Life... (1991) - CD,LP (x18) * Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape (1994) - CD only (deleted) (x15) These two CDs contain almost all of the songs from the first two cassette releases, as well as a few new songs/versions. OTSOL was the first full-blown P.Tree title. YHD is the remaining songs from the first two cassettes that were not used on OTSOL. Remastered. * Voyage 34 EP (Phase I / Phase II) (1992) - 12",CD (x2) * Voyage 34 EP (Phase III / Phase IV) (1993) - 12" only (x2) After the first V34 was released by P.Tree, apparently Astralasia approached P.Tree about releasing a remixed version. Steven Wilson agreed, and added a new track of his own to the B-side. The second V34 is also refered to as 'Voyage 34 Remixes'. * Up the Downstair (1993) - CD,LP (x10) * Staircase Infinities EP (1993) - 10",CD (x5) UTD was the second full length album from P.Tree (YHD had not been released yet). SI contains 3 outtakes from UTD, as well as 2 new songs. * Radio Active (1993) - CD only (x4) I do not have this one. Apparently a promo only item. * Spiral Circus (1994) - cassette only (x7) Contains 50 min of live P.Tree taken from December 1993. Includes two songs from the BBC session on 6 Dec 93. Available only from Delerium as part of something called 'Porcupine Tree Transmission', basically an irregular flyer mailed to you from Delerium. * Moonloop EP (UK) (1994) - 12",CD (x2) Contains songs "Moonloop" and "Stars Die". * Stars Die EP (US) (1995) - CD only (x3) The US version of the Moonloop EP is called Stars Die. It contains the same two songs from Moonloop (UK). Also contains the song "Always Never" from UTD. * The Sky Moves Sideways (UK) (1995) - CD,LP (x6) * The Sky Moves Sideways (US) (1995) - CD only (x6) SMS (UK) contains the full version of "Moonloop" along with a 2 min intro called "Prepare Yourself". SMS (US) contains a much shorter version of "Moonloop" with no intro, but contain the additional song "Stars Die" (which does not appear on the UK version). In addition, both titles have tracks in a slightly different order. * Waiting EP (1996) - 12",CD (12": x3)(CDS: x2) Released this week, the CD-single contains "Waiting - Phases 1 & 2" and "The Sound of No-One Listening". The 12-incher contains "Waiting - Phases 1 & 2", "Colourflow in Mind", and "Fuse the Sun(Sky?)". * Signify (1996?) The announced new album from P.Tree. Due in August 1996. Waiting EP is taken from this forthcoming release. Compilation Appearances ----------------------- * A Psychedelic Psauna (1991) - contains "Linton Samuel Dawson". * Pick & Mix (1994) - contains "Voyage 34 (Remodelled)". * Music for Coffee Shops (1996) - contains "Moonloop (edit)". * Succour (compilation) (1996) CD to aid magazine 'Ptolemaic Terrascope'. P.Tree & Bevis Frond perform "Ptolemine Treescope". * Space Daze Vol.2 (available late spring ?) Will contain "Burning Sky Pt.2". I suspect that this actually refers to the forthcoming 3-CD space rock compilation extravaganza from Cleopatra. Steven Wilson Guest Appearances ------------------------------- * Stone to Flesh, Richard Barbieri and Steve Jansen * Fish's next release (? unconfirmed ?) Fini. From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 2 17:50:15 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 17:50:15 BST Subject: HW: Dave Saw it Coming In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Thu, 2 May 1996 08:32:00 EDT Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > I read some stuff to the effect that a law now requires all clubs in England > playing music after 3am must play low level ambient music every alternate > hour. If this is true, the clever machinations of Dave's that produced > Business of the Future and White Zone are now revealed. Or did he play a > role in passing this law? hmmm - the thought of Dave involved in formulating Government legislation for Parliamentary approval almost defies belief! However, I am quite prepared to grant him either prescience or an ability to dash into the future, pick up a copy of NME or Melody Maker and drop back again into the present to see what the music scene is going to turn into next. I await the next album with interest 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Thu May 2 13:06:26 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 10:06:26 -0700 Subject: More on BOC: ME262 Message-ID: Your post on the Me262 contained a few factual errors. I suggest "JG7: The World's First Jet Fighter Unit 1944-1945" by Manfred Boehme1992 Schiffer Pub. Atglen, PA 19310. For example, the R4M rockets were used operationally. They were fired from underwing racks. The weapon received its baptism of fire on 18 March 1945: six aircraft of 9 Staffel, each with 24 R4M rockets attacked a formation of enemy (USAAF) aircraft over Rathenow. The impact was devastating: "Shattered fueselages, broken off wings, ripped out engines, shards of aluminum and fragments of every size whirled through the air.", stated one of the participating pilots, "It looked as if someone had emptied out an ashtray." JAZZA's main point is true, however that the Me262 in the song wouldn't be attacking "Fortresses" that were British, since the RAF flew their own aircraft on the main and the B17 "Fortress" was rarely used by them. SP "As long as someone wields the whip, someone else will want to kiss it." -G. Gordon Gordon From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu May 2 14:01:02 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 13:01:02 EST Subject: BOC: ME262 Message-ID: Jazza says: > > Jazza does his normal bit of replying to a thread long after it's > dropped... Argument a little while back about what point ME262 was trying > to make. I don't think it's standing anywhere on politics really, it's > more about getting past the politics to the personal dilemma facing Von > Ondine (which has to be Imaginos-related, but I don't yet know how): > "Must these Englishmen live that I might die?" Up in the sky Nazism or > whatever doesn't matter: maybe it should, but if it's his life against > You should read the amazing 'I Flew For the Fuhrer' by Heinz Knoke, one of the few surviving German aces from WWII. He obviously saw himself as merely protecting his homeland from vicious bomber attacks. The only politics he utters is repeated reference to bolsheviks. He clearly hates Russia, but says he doesn't really have anything against the British or Americans. This is interesting in that he may quite well have bought the argument made by the Nazis that brought Hitler to power: that the German socialists 'stabbed the military in the back in WWI' and allowed them to be defeated. A likely opinion for a career soldier like Knoke. He never says if he was a party member [wouldn't have helped book sales to the west!] but he generally stays away from politics. It's been a while since I read it, but I'm pretty sure he flew the 262 as a test pilot. theirs, and if the evil of the regime means he ought to let the bombs > fall, he's not going to bother being moral... > Other sidethreads: it kind of makes the plane the source of his > power, which of course it is in a real sense, but also in a justificatory > sense: this is the 'Prince of Turbojet', after all, and the sheer ability > to destroy in the name of any cause that the plane displays is all the > excuse it needs to unleash it... Sort of like an airborne `Black Blade' > with a patriotic edge. Many combat narratives I've read have said the same thing about the seduction of power, the ability to take a life, while your own life could be ended at any time. > If you really need politics in it, then I reckon it's patriotism > before all else. After all, `Von Ondine' is a noble and therefore > statistically less likely to be a Nazi.. But on the other hand, > considering the detail errors elsewhere in the song I doubt very much > that the subtext is that carefully put together... > Errors, for the pedants (like me!): the 262 didn't fly at > night, except a very few two-seater versions: but Ondine is alone surely. > The British didn't use Fortresses except for ECM work this late in the > war, and the Americans only flew them in daytime. No 262 carried both > cannon (`gray-silver slugs') and the R4M rocket installation in the I can pedant with the best of them! Those are 'shells,' not slugs, and I thought it was 'Great' silver slugs! > `snout', and those with that installation never tested it in combat > because of the blinding effect of twenty-four rockets firing off from > right before the pilot's eyes. Not to say Von Ondine couldn't be flying an > experimental one for an emergency mission, but special pleading required, > I think. > Hmmm. Am I taking this all a bit too seriously? Not a bit! theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 2 18:01:01 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 18:01:01 BST Subject: The Blood of Man In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Thu, 2 May 1996 12:33:19 EST Message-ID: cjohnson writes: Chaos video. > Actually, the video seems to spend a lot of its time displaying the > background lightshow rather than the band, who are in darkness for > much of the show. There are repeated pictures of a 6-foot skull, > and a Frank Frazetta image of a horned guy wielding a scimitar over > its head, as well as others. The whole tour was pretty much like that. The band stayed out in the wings in darkness and the lightshow was pretty much the gig. It wasn't one of their best tours and IMHO comprised the start of a pretty bad three years for Hawkwind. obShocker: I quit kollecting Hawkwind in late 1987. In 1989 I decided they'd got enough of the old magic back that I started catching up on the gazillion versions of Acid Daze, Early Daze, British Tribal Music, ad nauseum that I'd missed. obControversy: Getting Wishart into the band at that point saved them. > Captain Cloud FoFP From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu May 2 13:22:54 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 13:22:54 -0400 Subject: The Blood of Man Message-ID: >obControversy: Getting Wishart into the band at that point saved them. Goota agree whole-heartedly on this one. She had an energy that fitted in with the band. She also looks quite good ;-) >FoFP Martyn From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu May 2 13:52:38 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 12:52:38 -0500 Subject: The Blood of Man In-Reply-To: <9605021233.A15892@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 May 1996, cjohnson wrote: > I heard a rumour from Mike Coleman that RPM Records has had several of > these vids returned for poor quality reasons. Actually, what mike told me was something along the lines of the Pendragon Warriors: The actual video was some other concert by some other band... can't remember who, though. Damon Capehart | To know recursion, you must first know recursion. aka Le Monsieur |-------------------------------------------------- dcapehar at utdallas.edu | The Society of Physics Students at UTD From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu May 2 14:02:16 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 14:02:16 -0400 Subject: Name Message-ID: Andrew writes: Yes. And it does not start with "I". Sorry! But maybe you have a theory for cold fission... :-) DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu May 2 14:02:22 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 14:02:22 -0400 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: Carl-still time for the banquet-- chow down! :-) From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu May 2 14:10:36 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 14:10:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree discography In-Reply-To: <9605021250.A15894@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at May 2, 96 12:50:00 pm Message-ID: Cap'n Cloud provides this important 'off-topic' info. that I'm snipping > * Tarquins Seaweed Farm (1989) Does the name 'Tarquin' have an origin from Monty Python? The 'election' sketch, where the 'very silly party' candidate (who's name was something like, 'Tarquin-fim-dim-lim-dim-wim-dim-bus-stop-f'tang-f'tang-ole-biscuit-barrell') wins out over the 'sensible party' incumbent. Or is this also taken from somewhere else?? Just wondering.....it's a very funny sketch, BTW. > > Steven Wilson Guest Appearances > ------------------------------- > * Stone to Flesh, Richard Barbieri and Steve Jansen > * Fish's next release (? unconfirmed ?) Well, if you're going to include these, you should also include the entire 'No-Man' discography. I just ordered my first 'No-Man' CD (so I can't give you a review or anything), but my impression is that 'No-Man' is to Porcupine Tree, as 'Eat Static' is to the 'Ozric Tentacles'. Other than that, I'm not too sure what to expect, other than maybe an album's worth of tracks similar to the first full-length track on Up the Downstair; you know, the one that sounds like the 'Pet Shop Boys'. :) Keith H. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu May 2 14:33:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 14:33:00 EDT Subject: HW: Flipping Chaos Message-ID: > I just picked up an NTSC copy of this one, and I'm trying to return > it right now. > The sound quality was good (after I turned off the digital tracking > and played with it manually), but the picture refuses to stay > tracked no matter what I do. > Captain Cloud > cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com I've learned my lessons from the folk at Visionary. I finally got the proper concept to work the VCD. This one I may be prepared for. Sounds like the video sync. signal is knackered. There is a cheap device out to correct this from the days when the copy protection technique used to screw up the image this way. You connect it on the output side and it replaces the sync signal with a good one. I even have one of these, good thing too, because my Chaos video just got shipped. The video should work without it though, so I may have to return mine after a few playings. In signals there is strength, Rudy PS: The Me 262 song doesn't have the jet leaving Germany does it? At that time the Luftwaffe was strictly point protection, often of just the airfields. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu May 2 14:47:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 14:47:00 EDT Subject: Name Message-ID: >Yes. >And it does not start with "I". >"Sorry! But maybe you have a theory for cold fission... That's cold fusion. Pedantry is an extremely communicable affliction when interaction with similarly afflicted individuals is unavoidable. Hey, it's a full moon, Rudy >obShocker: I quit kollecting Hawkwind in late 1987. See, that's the craziest thing I've heard in a long time. From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu May 2 14:56:31 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 14:56:31 -0400 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree discography Message-ID: >> * Tarquins Seaweed Farm (1989) > >Does the name 'Tarquin' have an origin from Monty Python? The 'election' >sketch, where the 'very silly party' candidate (who's name was something like, >'Tarquin-fim-dim-lim-dim-wim-dim-bus-stop-f'tang-f'tang-ole-biscuit-barrell') >wins out over the 'sensible party' incumbent. Or is this also taken from >somewhere else?? Just wondering.....it's a very funny sketch, BTW. Tarqin-barrel was not a "very silly party" candidate, he was standard silly. Dunno if the name came from him. The independent very silly candidate (whose name I will not attempt to reproduce here, save to say it ends in 'Smith') got two votes, thus costing an election to a standard silly candidate, who lost to the sensible candidate by one vote. They've been the origin of other band's names before, most notably "Toad the Wet Sprocket" +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu May 2 15:20:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 15:20:00 EDT Subject: HW: Better with Bridgette? Message-ID: >obControversy: Getting Wishart into the band at that point saved them. Had she stayed around longer or played a role with more impact, I'd agree. I watched the Live Legends video again just the other day and I kept thinking how little Bridgette did. She does "Back in the Box", but that preceded her and has stayed on since she left. She adds new bits to "Night of the Hawks" and "Damnation Alley" that make them different variants, but don't impact the heart of the songs. She doesn't seem to be overly animated either. My 1st exposure to her was seeing them live in 90 and I was shocked at this addition. Then after the 1st song she left the stage. She'd come on from time to time in a mask or paint, maybe to sing a bit, but didn't seem fully integrated with the band. Again, she didn't seem to be enjoying herself or that into things. She didn't really last beyond that year and I can't detect any change that she brought about. Except that her leaving ultimately led to a very spare line up. I'd say that Simon House's return on the fiddle had more impact on HW changing for the better. I've listened to some 89 gigs and then the 90 ones, and House rules these. Bridgette may have been a reflection of the band's subliminal desire to change, but I think see it as result and not a cause. The sound was beefed up by House's fill ins way more than by Bridgette's vocals. Don't get me wrong, I like the Bridgette material a lot (she is no babe, if I may get non PC). Wish she was still involved with HW too. But savior is more than I'll give her. Rudy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu May 2 15:46:30 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 15:46:30 -0400 Subject: Another review of *Trepanation* Message-ID: One of the on-line publications I wrote to back in January reviewed the Brain Surgeons' *Trepanation*. The 'zine is called "Cosmic Debris", and the URL for the current issue is: http://www.greatgig.com/cosmikdebris/april/reviews/index.html Here's the text from the review: THE BRAIN SURGEONS - Trepanation (Cellsum) Reviewed by DJ Johnson ------------------------------------------------ Way back in the pre-punk 70s there was an amazing band called Blue Oyster Cult. Though they are largely remembered as a heavy metal act, they were a whole lot more than that. They had a magic sound that nobody else could even approximate. They had the ability to be heavy and light at the same time. BOC recorded two of the most beautiful songs of the 70s ("I Love The Night" and "Don't Fear The Reaper") and both of them were macabre if you were paying attention. Heavy and light. The Brain Surgeons have brought "the sound" into the 90s with their second album, "Trepanation." Former Blue Oyster Cult drummer (and co-founder) Albert Bouchard and his wife, rock critic Deborah Frost, co-produced this collection of dark stories and soundscapes. Frost's vocals cover a three and a half octave range and an even more impressive range of emotions, from serene to furious, cold and murderous in the blink of an eye. The two covers are both outstanding. Robert Johnson's "Stones In My Passway" doesn't get covered as often as it should, but The Brain Surgeons give it the attention and power it deserves. Frost's hottest vocal is found on their cover of "Ramblin' Rose," which she screams, snarls, stutters and growls in a manner that exudes raw sexuality. The rest of the band smokes on this track, too. There are a few spots here where her vocals don't work, such as on "Medusa," where her power seems to be too much for the track and she comes off as overwrought. Happily, those moments are rare. Frost is one of the more interesting vocalists to come along lately. Bouchard plays a ton of instruments on "Trepanation," and he's damned good at all of them, but it's his drumming that keeps everything crisp. He's still the master. And with songs like "My Civilization," with it's multi- layered vocals ala "Dominance and Submission" and even the deceptively light "Everything Is Blue," The Brain Surgeons are creating classic rock that actually sounds like classic rock. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu May 2 16:04:54 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:04:54 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Trepomatic 2000 Message-ID: While surfin' the web, I found the following URL, which is an ad for a do-it-yourself trepanation kit -- the Trepomatic 2000! http://zikzak.zikzak.net/~thirdeye/ It also has a link to that lovely article that was posted here many moons ago about the people with holes in their heads. Your mileage may vary, John From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu May 2 16:41:41 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:41:41 -0400 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree discography/Silly Message-ID: I though there were three parties: The silly party The slightly silly party and The very silly party Pedantically yours Martyn From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu May 2 17:44:43 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:44:43 EST Subject: HW: Flipping Chaos Message-ID: Chaos video: >> The sound quality was good (after I turned off the digital tracking >> and played with it manually), but the picture refuses to stay >> tracked no matter what I do. > >Sounds >like the video sync. signal is knackered. There is a cheap device out >to correct this from the days when the copy protection technique used >to screw up the image this way. You connect it on the output side and >it replaces the sync signal with a good one. I even have one of these > >Rudy I've got one of these devices too. Been using it for about 8 or 9 years now, ever since I bought my second VCR. ;-) I keep it inline between VCR2 and VCR1, and powered on at all times (mine can be battery- or AC-powered). This device made no obvious difference on playback of the Chaos video using VCR2->device->VCR1->TV. I also tried just VCR1->TV and it displayed about the same. :-( Perhaps I need to make sure that the power plug hasn't slipped out? Otherwise, don't put too much hope that this is the solution... Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu May 2 16:48:51 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:48:51 -0400 Subject: HW: Better with Bridgette? Message-ID: >Don't get me wrong, I like the Bridgette material a lot (she is no babe, if >I may get non PC). I totally disagree, Live Legends is one of my favorite erotic videos of all time. >Rudy Martyn From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu May 2 17:59:45 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:59:45 EST Subject: HW: Better with Bridgette? Message-ID: >Don't get me wrong, I like the Bridgette material a lot (she is no babe, if >I may get non PC). > I totally disagree, Live Legends is one of my favorite erotic >videos of all time. >Martyn You know, its the ballet dancer during the first couple of tunes that always grabbed my complete attention... 8^> (sorry Martyn) But, you gotta admit, wrapping Bridgett up in the mummy outfit tied to the pole is pretty darned close to some of Nik Turner's antics. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG Thu May 2 18:27:00 1996 From: FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG (DAVID FURST) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:27:00 CST Subject: resub Message-ID: re-subscribe From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Thu May 2 17:32:21 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:32:21 -0500 Subject: HW: Better with Bridgette? In-Reply-To: cjohnson "Re[2]: HW: Better with Bridgette?" (May 2, 4:59pm) Message-ID: > >Don't get me wrong, I like the Bridgette material a lot (she is no babe, if > >I may get non PC). > > > I totally disagree, Live Legends is one of my favorite erotic > >videos of all time. > But, you gotta admit, wrapping Bridgett up in the mummy outfit tied > to the pole is pretty darned close to some of Nik Turner's antics. Nik made bondage videos, too? Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 In Managua, people are cheering in the streets, which are deserted. -- CBS reporter during the solar eclipse From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 2 18:14:34 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 23:14:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Better with Bridgette? In-Reply-To: <9605021659.A15915@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at May 2, 96 04:59:45 pm Message-ID: >>> Don't get me wrong, I like the Bridgette material a lot (she is no babe, if >>> I may get non PC). >> >> I totally disagree, Live Legends is one of my favorite erotic >> videos of all time. > > You know, its the ballet dancer during the first couple of tunes > that always grabbed my complete attention... 8^> You people are deeply warped. ;) It's bad enough being amazed by Bridget but the *ballet*dancer*. Ack! I still maintain that's David Lee Roth in a tutu! :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Thu May 2 18:14:32 1996 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 14:14:32 -0800 Subject: Another review of *Trepanation* In-Reply-To: <199605021946.PAA21721@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: I realize I am taking a risk by saying this, especially considering that the artist in question is a member of this list, but here goes... On Thu, 2 May 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > Frost's hottest > vocal is found on their cover of "Ramblin' Rose," which she screams, > snarls, stutters and growls in a manner that exudes raw sexuality. I just don't hear the same thing a lot of other people do, I guess. I personally do not like the Janis Joplin style shrieking on some songs. This is just a personal observation, and it is not a dig against Deborah's skill. I just find the style extremely distracting and less than enjoyable. I prefer Al's vocals almost every time. When I played Career of Christmas for a diehard BOC-fan friend of mine, he heard 30 seconds of "Career of Evil" and immediately said "Who is this?? They've RUINED that song!!" I don't agree with this assessment (I think CoC kicks ass), but I think part of the reason my friend was put off was when he was expecting to hear Eric he heard Deb instead. Yes, her style is different, and yes she has a right to define her own sound. And I do like some of her stuff. But the shrieking, growling, snarling, etc. I could do without... > ...she comes off as overwrought. > Happily, those moments are rare. I agree with half of this. Overwrought, yes. Rare, no. Just my 2 cents worth... From reading the list I assume most fans would disagree with me. If means anything, I bought all 3 BS works and I plan to buy the next. -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 2 18:17:59 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 23:17:59 +0100 Subject: Name In-Reply-To: <318877E2@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at May 2, 96 02:47:00 pm Message-ID: > >"Sorry! But maybe you have a theory for cold fission... > > That's cold fusion. No, I want to hear about cold fission! :) I think someone should right a song about "cold fission" :) On the other hand, there's probably a bizarre sci-fi love long a_la "Spirit of the Age" in cold fusion. You know--it doesn't seem to exist, frigidity, "fusion" ... lots of prime pulpy cheesy subject matter there that is dying for some catchy rhymes and a 3 chord Brock progression :) > >obShocker: I quit kollecting Hawkwind in late 1987. > See, that's the craziest thing I've heard in a long time. Yeah, 'specialy since I never even *heard* of Hawkwind until years later :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu May 2 19:10:22 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 19:10:22 -0400 Subject: Another review of *Trepanation* In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 May 1996, William Fuller wrote: > I realize I am taking a risk by saying this, especially considering that > the artist in question is a member of this list, but here goes... Nah, not taking a risk. This isn't the AOL BOC folder... ;-) > I agree with half of this. Overwrought, yes. Rare, no. Just my 2 cents > worth... From reading the list I assume most fans would disagree with me. > If means anything, I bought all 3 BS works and I plan to buy the next. Well, I recall when _Eponymous_ first made its rounds on this list, Deb's vocals came in for a bit of a drubbing. They seem to have been an "acquired taste" for several people, and I agree. I don't mean this in a bad way. Deb's singing is not yer ordinary run-of-the-mill, which, for me, is a big plus point. She has a big range, both technically and stylistically, IMHO, which is not usually the norm for the vocalists we're used to in rock bands. This is why she sounds "jarring" to some people. After all, "rock vocalists" are not supposed to sound like this. :-) Normally, the vocalist fulfils a purely narrative function, delivering the "storyline" of the song to the listener, who integrates it into a coherent neurosemantic experience along with the music. Like other vocalists who have a wide range (King Diamond springs to mind; another vocalist many can't stomach), Deb's vocals become more of an additional *instrument* than simply a narrative delivery device. Like I said, we're not used to this sort of thing in "rock music" so it doesn't exactly sit comfortably with the listener on early listening, being outwith their experience and expectations. Some never get used to it. Mind you, all this is from someone who listens to Tuvan throat singers, so your mileage may vary... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Various, _Our Band Could Be Your Life_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu May 2 19:13:10 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 17:13:10 -0600 Subject: BBQ still on? In-Reply-To: <960430053144_481255553@emout18.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: We have our plane tickets, so now- is the BOC BBQ still going as planned for the Memorial Day Weekend? Anybody have any details? Thank you. Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Thu May 2 23:03:42 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:03:42 EST Subject: BOC: ER Connection? Message-ID: The title of tonight's new episode of ER is "Fevers of Unknown Origin". Is there a BOC fan lurking behind the scenes of TV's hottest show?!? Brian From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Thu May 2 23:15:51 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 20:15:51 -0700 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: At 10:32 PM 5/1/96 +0100, you wrote: >>So, clue us in, what is the correct line? > > Check out the FAQ's @ ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l/boc_faq-2_1.txt > > Albert gave you the correct line:"Each night the covers were unfolded" Uhh... Ok. I'm slow sometimes.. :) _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Thu May 2 23:17:48 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 20:17:48 -0700 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: At 03:43 AM 5/2/96 -0500, you wrote: >On 30-APR-1996 23:37:22.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > >>Not "blacker dispare"? > >Hey, I types 'em as I reads 'em! > >> > >>>In decimal chains whose mimic cry > >> > >>Not "Mimicry"? Nope, "mimic cry" to rhyme with "never fly" > >> > >>Ah well, I'm the guy who used to think CCR was saying "There's the > >bathroom >on the right" instead of "There's a bad moon on the rise" > >when I was a kid.. . > >Yes, and I thought it was "gitchin for a runnin" in "Born to be Wild"! > >Chris > >My best ever, from Zep's "How Many More Times": > >"I'm Harvey the Hotdog, that's my name... >Harvey the Hotdog, that's how I got my name" My favorite is Hendrix's Purple Haze.. "S'cuse me while I kiss this guy.." _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri May 3 01:10:47 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 00:10:47 EST Subject: HW: Blood of Man is Lost Chronicles Message-ID: I took a good listen to the CHAOS video soundtrack, and the song listed on the video box as "The Blood of Man" is actually "Lost Chronicles". It clocks in at about 3 1/2 min. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Fri May 3 03:49:26 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 03:49:26 -0400 Subject: BBQ still on? Message-ID: Manuel: >We have our plane tickets, so now- is the BOC BBQ >still going as planned for the Memorial Day Weekend? >Anybody have any details? Thank you. By Saturn, Ring & Sky, yes! The Gathering of the faithful (now rewarded) fast approaches. There are actually two "events" happening at this point. The BOC BBQ is on schedule @ The Brewery Of Cult in Santa Rosa, California. Contact Sir Charles Gow for all the pertinent details. The Buck's Blazing Bitter will be flowing freely, as well as Danny's Death Valley Dark, and Allen's Alien Ale. The Eric's Exterrestrial Elixir was sacrificed to the World Cup of Beer in Berkeley not long ago. Best Of Show! Congrats again Charlie! Many other flavors will be present, contributed by local brewwpub owners. May 25th & 26th. Be there... The "other" event is loosely organized around the Las Vegas show on June 1st. A few of us will be meeting on Friday night (May 31st - THE Last Day Of May) at a brewpub called the 'Holy Cow' bar in Las Vegas proper, to see off the Last Days, and welcome in the new ones with with Blue Oyster Cult... Contact Mark (Vegas4BOC at aol.com) if you are going to be in the area, and would like to tilt a beer with the faithful... See you in Santa Rosa Manuel! "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri May 3 07:31:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 07:31:00 EDT Subject: OTHER: Singing of Cold Fission Message-ID: > No, I want to hear about cold fission! :) I think someone should >right a song about "cold fission" :) On the other hand, there's probably >a bizarre sci-fi love long a_la "Spirit of the Age" in cold fusion. You >know--it doesn't seem to exist, frigidity, "fusion" ... lots of prime >pulpy cheesy subject matter there that is dying for some catchy rhymes >and a 3 chord Brock progression :) You're on to something here, Carl. A scientist seeking a cheap energy source blunders onto endothermic nuclear reactions. Instead of powering the world, he discovers cheap A/C. Just in time for the global warming. His regret is that he can't plug anything into it. But that's the chiller of the age. Rudy From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri May 3 13:28:12 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:28:12 BST Subject: OFF: Porky Tree *live* Message-ID: These guys are excellent. Catch 'em if you can! Kidderminster (Market Tavern) tonight 3rd May Wolverhampton (Varsity) tomorrow 4th May Northampton (Roadmenders) 5th May Hull (The Room) 6th May Bristol (Fleece & Firkin) 8th May Falmouth (The Pirate) 9th May etc... I also found a copy of the Freak Emporium (aka Delerium) catalogue - loads of psychedelic releases available including the Voyage 34 remixes (I hope)! Address for them is: The Freak Emporium, PO Box 1288, Gerrards Cross, Bucks, SL9 9YB Email: delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk Fax: 01753 892879 Phone: 01753 893008 jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 3 08:53:21 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:53:21 +0100 Subject: More on BOC: ME262 In-Reply-To: <199605021659.JAA12246@desiree.teleport.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 May 1996, Steve wrote: > Your post on the Me262 contained a few factual errors. I suggest "JG7: The > World's First Jet Fighter Unit 1944-1945" by Manfred Boehme1992 Schiffer > Pub. Atglen, PA 19310. > > For example, the R4M rockets were used operationally. They were fired from > underwing racks. The weapon received its baptism of fire on 18 March 1945: > six aircraft of 9 Staffel, each with 24 R4M rockets attacked a formation of > enemy (USAAF) aircraft over Rathenow. The impact was devastating: > "Shattered fueselages, broken off wings, ripped out engines, shards of > aluminum and fragments of every size whirled through the air.", stated one > of the participating pilots, "It looked as if someone had emptied out an > ashtray." Now, I don't want to be childish about this, but that's not what I said: I know they used R4Ms underwing, but the one bird they converted to carry them in the nose in place of the cannon didn't use them in combat because of flame-blindness. Me.262A-1/R4, I believe it was, though I could be wrong. Mind you, since that one bird was rigged to carry the underwing ones _as well_, the effect it could have had on a bomber group can be imagined. Similar problems were had with one they rigged with a 50mm gun in the nose, but that looked far too silly to be taken seriously and used in a rock song... Jazza ObApology for trivia: Sorry! _____________________________________________________________________________ Jon Jarrett Pembroke College Cambridge "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 460728) One of 'em must be wrong.." jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk (Knopfler) ======================================================================== From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 3 09:02:28 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:02:28 +0100 Subject: BOC: ER Connection? In-Reply-To: <009A1BFB.B052D200.90@bigvax.alfred.edu> from "BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN" at May 2, 96 10:03:42 pm Message-ID: > The title of tonight's new episode of ER is "Fevers of Unknown Origin". > Is there a BOC fan lurking behind the scenes of TV's hottest show?!? Hmmm. It's difficult to see this as strictly coincidence. See if any baby's get taken away ... ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri May 3 09:09:22 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 09:09:22 -0400 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: >My favorite is Hendrix's Purple Haze.. "S'cuse me while I kiss this guy.." When I first played "Chronicle of the Black Sword" for some friends of mine, they thought the following: "The Lord of Chaos Reeks" (instead of Reaps), from Elric the Enchanter' and worse, They thought the entire song "Needle Gun" was "Tweedledum" +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 3 09:15:01 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:15:01 +0100 Subject: Another review of *Trepanation* In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > I agree with half of this. Overwrought, yes. Rare, no. Just my 2 cents > > worth... From reading the list I assume most fans would disagree with me. > > If means anything, I bought all 3 BS works and I plan to buy the next. > > Well, I recall when _Eponymous_ first made its rounds on this list, Deb's > vocals came in for a bit of a drubbing. They seem to have been an > "acquired taste" for several people, and I agree. I honestly can't remember precisely what I thought of the album let alone the vocals when I first got it. But after seeing the live act, even minus Hilfiger on a miniscule stage with a 30 minute set I was pretty blown away. I find it's often the case that it takes a live performance to really wake me up to the music of a band. I had barely _noticed_ my infamously favorite "TWTCOY" until the live show! I was completely blown away :) > Deb's vocals become more of an additional *instrument* > than simply a narrative delivery device. Like I said, we're not used to > this sort of thing in "rock music" so it doesn't exactly sit comfortably > with the listener on early listening, being outwith their experience and > expectations. Some never get used to it. I find that's what I really look for in vocals, far more than the words. I'd much rather hear something with character of it's own. That's why I think current Sabs singer Tony Martin is so lame--yeah, he's actually got a finer voice than Ozzy, but it is *so* generic. Dull, dull, dull. I find Deb's vocals interesting because of the vast range in pitch and tone (and speed with which they switch from one place to another)-- I won't attempt gathering the extra surreality points by comparing her to King Diamond ;) but I will say that her use of voice reminds me of Bjo:rk, back when she was in rock bands like Kukl and the early 'Cubes as opposed to rather saccharine dance music she churns out now. There's that same sense of voice-as-instrument, and range in tone and pitch. Plus, I think this complements Al's voice very well. Al also has a strange voice which is highly effective in certain situations and especially when paired with Deb's. The "rise & reverberate" section on "My Civilization" is a case in point. > Mind you, all this is from someone who listens to Tuvan throat singers, > so your mileage may vary... ;-) For a totally unrelated side comment, my sister recently went to see some Tuvan throat singers immediately after she had finished broadcasting a Motorhead special at her college radio station. She remarked that she thought there were some amazing parallels even in the Tuvans didn't seem to be utterly wired on speed and Carlsberg Special Brew ... ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 3 09:28:40 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:28:40 +0100 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? In-Reply-To: <199605031309.JAA04950@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: > >My favorite is Hendrix's Purple Haze.. "S'cuse me while I kiss this guy.." > > When I first played "Chronicle of the Black Sword" for some friends of > mine, they thought the following: > "The Lord of Chaos Reeks" (instead of Reaps), from Elric the Enchanter' > and worse, > They thought the entire song "Needle Gun" was "Tweedledum" Let us never forget the immortal lyric mistake from "Psychdelic Warlords": 'all we do is get screwed on other people's floors!' ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Fri May 3 09:31:35 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 09:31:35 EDT Subject: Another review of *Trepanation* Message-ID: > But the shrieking, growling, snarling, etc. I could do without... But it isn't all that way. Sometimes there's a little "singing" going on. I too prefer Al's vocals. Then again, some people like that kind of "snarling" style. Good thing about BOC, and it looks like tBS will also follow here, they give you a little of everything. RR From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Fri May 3 09:37:29 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 09:37:29 EDT Subject: BOC: ER Connection? Message-ID: >> The title of tonight's new episode of ER is "Fevers of Unknown Origin". >> Is there a BOC fan lurking behind the scenes of TV's hottest show?!? > Hmmm. It's difficult to see this as strictly coincidence. See >if any baby's get taken away ... ;) > >Cheers, >Carl Actually... One of the doctors had to return a baby to her sister, the birth mother, after caring for her for months while the mother was getting her life straightened out. A patient almost lost her baby, but the previously mentioned doctor was able to determine that the pregnancy was *not* the cause of the high blood pressure which threatened the life of the mother. So yes, almost 2 babies get taken away! ;) I'll give 10 to 1 that Michael Crichton is the BOC fan, but those odds might slip, as he'll be starting from the 20th gate... >************************************************************************* >Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out >ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." >cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) >************************************************************************* From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri May 3 10:11:11 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:11:11 -0400 Subject: HW: Better with Bridgette? In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at May 2, 96 11:14:34 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > >>> Don't get me wrong, I like the Bridgette material a lot (she is no babe, if > >>> I may get non PC). > >> > >> I totally disagree, Live Legends is one of my favorite erotic > >> videos of all time. > > > > You know, its the ballet dancer during the first couple of tunes > > that always grabbed my complete attention... 8^> > > You people are deeply warped. ;) It's bad enough being amazed by > Bridget but the *ballet*dancer*. Ack! I still maintain that's David > Lee Roth in a tutu! :) She's no ballet dancer. She's probably a stripper they gave L15 to dance the gig. Make it L20 - they made her wear that tutu. As for Brigett, one of my friends had the definitive comment: when she was completely mummified, and the stage hands were carting her away, he said, "Quick! Drop her in the river!". Steve From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri May 3 11:14:11 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:14:11 EST Subject: BOC in buffalo? Message-ID: > Actually... One of the doctors had to return a baby to her sister, > the birth mother, after caring for her for months while the mother was > getting her life straightened out. A patient almost lost her baby, but > the previously mentioned doctor was able to determine that the pregnancy > was *not* the cause of the high blood pressure which threatened the life > of the mother. So yes, almost 2 babies get taken away! ;) > I'll give 10 to 1 that Michael Crichton is the BOC fan, but those > odds might slip, as he'll be starting from the 20th gate... > Hey Brian, Any truth to the rumor BOC is playing in Buffalo on 23 June? theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri May 3 10:16:40 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:16:40 -0400 Subject: HW: Blood of Man is Lost Chronicles In-Reply-To: <9605030010.A15922@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at May 3, 96 00:10:47 am Message-ID: cjohnson writes: > > I took a good listen to the CHAOS video soundtrack, and the song > listed on the video box as "The Blood of Man" is actually > "Lost Chronicles". It clocks in at about 3 1/2 min. Uh, how is that performance? Lost Chronicles is probably my favorite Hawkwind instrumental, and I've always wondered how it would come across live... Steve From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri May 3 10:46:06 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:46:06 -0400 Subject: Another review of *Trepanation* In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 3 May 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > For a totally unrelated side comment, my sister recently went to > see some Tuvan throat singers immediately after she had finished broadcasting > a Motorhead special at her college radio station. She remarked that she > thought there were some amazing parallels even in the Tuvans didn't seem > to be utterly wired on speed and Carlsberg Special Brew ... ;) For an unrelated side comment brought on by this unrelated side comment, I am reminded of the time I went to see Cephas and Wiggins live. They play acoustic blues in the Piedmont style (very nicely, too, I might add). Anyway, at one point they were playing a song and I thought to myself, "damn if this doesn't sound just like 'Lost Johnny'!" I find it alarming to discover now not one, but two cultural links associated with Lemmy and Motorhead! ;-) I wish I could remember the name of the blues song; "Lost Johnny" was a dead ringer for it. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Various, _Our Band Could Be Your Life_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Fri May 3 11:31:08 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 08:31:08 -0700 Subject: More on BOC: ME262 Message-ID: > Mind you, since that one bird was rigged to carry the underwing >ones _as well_, the effect it could have had on a bomber group can be >imagined. Similar problems were had with one they rigged with a 50mm gun >in the nose, but that looked far too silly to be taken seriously and used >in a rock song... I knew I recognized another aero-enthusiast. I don't think that whichever BOC-ers wrote the song analyzed it in so much detail anyway, but the aircraft is certainly dramatic enough to rate a song (and with that BOC touch of evil, being connected to the last dying gasp of the Nazi Gotterdammerung)- It should be the soundtrack to computer flight sims. SP "As long as someone wields the whip, someone else will want to kiss it." -G. Gordon Gordon From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri May 3 13:05:34 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:05:34 EST Subject: OFF: Porky Tree *live* Message-ID: <> Anyone who records **ANY** Porcupine Tree show can be assured of a rapid tape trade with yours truly (me)!!! I should have something of value to almost any collector. Please contact me A.S.A.P. if you possess live Porky recordings -- and I don't mean Porky Pig. ;-) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Fri May 3 12:14:46 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:14:46 EDT Subject: BOC in buffalo? Message-ID: I haven't heard anything about this, but I'm stuck in the southern tier for another couple of days. Down here people are solidly in support of Nixon for his run at a second term ;) I guess in Hornell they believe no news is good news. Anyway, if this is true I'll definately be there and some of my friends might be interested also. I'll call ticketmaster when I get home on Monday and find out what the deal is. To date: # of tBS concerts (1), # of BOC concerts (0) I'd be there if Buffalo fell over Niagra Falls! Brian From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri May 3 13:20:17 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:20:17 EST Subject: HW: Blood of Man is Lost Chronicles Message-ID: >Uh, how is that performance? Lost Chronicles is probably my favorite >Hawkwind instrumental, and I've always wondered how it would come >across live... > >Steve Ditto on that fav instrumental comment. The song always fills me with a haunting feeling...whatever that means. :-) The performance must be one of the earliest. It is kind of sparse to me, compared to performances a year or two later. It starts with a short meandering "shooshy" noise from Harvey?. Soon the piano comes in, playing the familiar melody line. The piano is soon accompanied thru most of the song by a synth playing a minor progression. Overall, it seems a bit rough, not perfectly in sync or in time. Still, this tune always does me good... Seems to me that there are some much better takes on Lost C. from the 1987 and 1988 tours. I'm not sure how often they played this tune after 1988. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri May 3 12:24:14 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:24:14 -0400 Subject: BOC in buffalo? In-Reply-To: <009A1C72.94C48E80.364@bigvax.alfred.edu> from "BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN" at May 3, 96 12:14:46 pm Message-ID: BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN writes: > > To date: # of tBS concerts (1), # of BOC concerts (0) > I'd be there if Buffalo fell over Niagra Falls! Hmm. I hate to say it, but BOC never seemed to get very pumped up to play Buffalo (not that I could really blame them - neither did any other band). I saw them about 5 times there, between 1982 and 1994, and with the exception of the first one (the RbN tour), it was always the same mailed-in show. I've since seen them other places, and even heard tapes of shows in other cities during that same time period, and the "Buffalo problem" just seems to be an anomaly. More evidence of whatever it is in the water that affects Buffalo sports teams... or maybe the poisonous mist blowing down from Niagara Falls contains a faster acting agent than anyone suspected. Steve From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri May 3 12:44:55 1996 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:44:55 -0400 Subject: The BOC/Magic connection Message-ID: According to the latest issue of Inquest, the Magic: The Gathering collectible card game contains one card related to BOC. Steve Conard, developer of the Legends expansion set for the game, explains that the card Takklemaggot resulted from his mis-hearing a line from "Veteran of the Psychic Wars." Takklemaggot was reprinted in the Chronicles set late last year and is now readily available. I would imagine the line he misheard was "Tides of madness," although he doesn't specify. This is particularly amusing to me because I'm currently working on developing a BOC collectible card game. (I've also been working for some time on publishing an Imaginos comic book, if the elusive Sandy Pearlman could ever get back on track--these projects are fun, but setting them up can be a real headache). SET From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri May 3 14:00:09 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:00:09 EST Subject: BOC/Bills connection? Message-ID: Steve says: > Hmm. I hate to say it, but BOC never seemed to get very pumped up to > play Buffalo (not that I could really blame them - neither did any > other band). I saw them about 5 times there, between 1982 and 1994, > and with the exception of the first one (the RbN tour), it was always > the same mailed-in show. I've since seen them other places, and even > heard tapes of shows in other cities during that same time period, and > the "Buffalo problem" just seems to be an anomaly. More evidence of > whatever it is in the water that affects Buffalo sports teams... or > maybe the poisonous mist blowing down from Niagara Falls contains a > faster acting agent than anyone suspected. > > Steve I dunno. I saw BOC once in Buff. and once in Nia Falls, back in the 70s, and they were great. But that was the Albert band... theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri May 3 13:14:48 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:14:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Blood of Man is Lost Chronicles In-Reply-To: cjohnson "Re[2]: HW: Blood of Man is Lost Chronicles" (May 3, 12:20pm) Message-ID: cjohnson wrote: > Seems to me that there are some much better takes on Lost C. from > the 1987 and 1988 tours. I'm not sure how often they played this > tune after 1988. According to my List of When Songs Were Played Live Taken from Bernhard's Tape List (TM), they played Lost Chronicles seven times after 1988, all of them in 1989. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Basil: I mean, do you know what that fire extinguisher _did_? It exploded in my face! I mean, what is the _point_ of a fire extinguisher? It sits there for months, and when you actually have a fire, when you actually _need_ the bloody thing...it blows your head off!! I mean, what is happening to this country? From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri May 3 14:36:37 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:36:37 EST Subject: francaise slang? Message-ID: > collectible card game contains one card related to BOC. Steve Conard, I wonder what the BOC-L french connection thinks about this guy's name? Hope it's a typo! theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Fri May 3 13:52:06 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:52:06 EDT Subject: OFF: No tape-trades for a while. Message-ID: Greetings boys and girls! Since I have promised some guys on the list to trade tapes this spring I thought I should tell you that I lost three parcels so far this spring and it's getting expensive for me to copy new sets, and of course p&p (expensive to send parcels from Sweden). Therefor I must wait at least until autumn and let the postal-company do some research and hopefully pay me for the lost mail. Sorry guys, hope we can work something out later. Henrik From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri May 3 14:29:53 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:29:53 -0400 Subject: The BOC/Magic connection Message-ID: >According to the latest issue of Inquest, the Magic: The Gathering >collectible card game contains one card related to BOC. Steve Conard, >developer of the Legends expansion set for the game, explains that the card >Takklemaggot resulted from his mis-hearing a line from "Veteran of the >Psychic Wars." Takklemaggot was reprinted in the Chronicles set late last >year and is now readily available. I would imagine the line he misheard was >"Tides of madness," although he doesn't specify. That line was always said quickly. I have a couple Takklemaggots, I just wish they'd done some cards based on actual lines. Here are some examples: (note: b = blue, k = black) Tyranny and Mutation (Enchantment) (2)(r)(k) - All Red and Black creatures gain +1/+1 Tattoo Vampire (Summon Vampire) (3)(k) - 3/3 flying creature Godzilla (Summon Monster) (rrrrr)(gggggg)(b) 13/13 trample islandwalk creature. May block flying creatures. Upkeep: (gggggg) or Godzilla does 13 damage to you and taps, this damage may not be prevented. Sole Survivor (Summon Survivor) (www) 1/1 prot from black. If you have no creatures in play, you may place sole survivor directly into play from your graveyard. Shooting Shark (Summon Shark) (1bbb) 4/3. Tap to inflict one point of damage to any target that has taken damage this turn. (bb): may block flying creatures until end of turn. Workshop of the Telescopes (Summon artifact) (4). (1): Force target player to reveal one card, chosen randomly, from their hand. Sacrifice workshop to bury that card as an interrupt. Target player takes damage equal to the card's casting cost. Vengence (The Pact) (Enchantment) (2)(w): Place a +0/+2 token on target creature. If creature leaves play, all your creatures gain +2/+0 while any opponent's creatures which damaged target creature that turn are in play. O.D'd on life itself (Creature enchantment) (k)(k): (0): Sacrifice 1 life to gain +1/+1 until end of turn. (hmmmm this could be abused with spirit links...) The Reaper (Summon Death) (3)(kkk) 7/4. May not be blocked by black or artifact creatures. (get it? heh. I like that.....) +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri May 3 15:08:08 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 21:08:08 +0200 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: >> >My favorite is Hendrix's Purple Haze.. "S'cuse me while I kiss this guy.." >> >> When I first played "Chronicle of the Black Sword" for some friends of >> mine, they thought the following: >> "The Lord of Chaos Reeks" (instead of Reaps), from Elric the Enchanter' >> and worse, >> They thought the entire song "Needle Gun" was "Tweedledum" > > Let us never forget the immortal lyric mistake from "Psychdelic >Warlords": 'all we do is get screwed on other people's floors!' ;) Uncle Nik in Brainstorm: "I don't wanna be employed I don't wanna be destroyed" It was a great relief to see the correct lines... \\joe From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri May 3 17:19:17 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 17:19:17 -0400 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: He wasn't a "hired" hand. Whatever they "considered" him, they never bothered to pay him. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri May 3 18:33:18 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 18:33:18 -0400 Subject: francaise slang? Message-ID: Theo a dit: >> collectible card game contains one card related to BOC. Steve Conard, > >I wonder what the BOC-L french connection thinks about this guy's >name? Hope it's a typo! That would be a double "n"... but it's still pretty embarrassing! Putain, ca me ferait chier, si c'etait moi, bien sur! Or maybe it's a typo for "Conrad"? Just a thought! - Andy From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat May 4 00:19:53 1996 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 00:19:53 -0400 Subject: The BOC/Magic connection Message-ID: Those are great card ideas! Unfortunately, I'll have to think up something else for the actual BOC card game now...wouldn't want to be accused of ripping somebody off or anything...:-) SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat May 4 00:21:13 1996 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 00:21:13 -0400 Subject: francaise slang? Message-ID: It is really is Conard, I'm afraid! SET From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sat May 4 01:18:36 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 22:18:36 -0700 Subject: BOC / Hawkwind Sighting Message-ID: Just back from the bookstore.. Happened to run across "Tales of the White Wolf" a collection of Elric stories written by various fantasy authors, authorized by Moorcock. From the back cover: "Elric has even inspired songs from groups as diverse as Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult to Cirith Ungol and the Tygers of Pan Tang". Never heard of the last 2 but I thought it might be of some small interest... If anyone *has* heard of the latter two bands... are they any good? _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Sat May 4 04:02:06 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 09:02:06 +0100 Subject: BOC / Hawkwind Sighting In-Reply-To: <199605040518.WAA20590@ns.connectnet.com> Message-ID: Reply to Joseph Brooks about BOC / Hawkwind Sighting >Just back from the bookstore.. Happened to run across "Tales of the White >Wolf" a collection of Elric stories written by various fantasy authors, >authorized by Moorcock. From the back cover: "Elric has even inspired songs >from groups as diverse as Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult to Cirith Ungol and >the Tygers of Pan Tang". >Never heard of the last 2 but I thought it might be of some small >interest... If anyone *has* heard of the latter two bands... are they any >good? > _ I have two Cirith Ungol lp's because the covers are Michael Whelen(?) paintings of Elric. Haven't played them in years but as I remember they were a early thrash band. Tygers of Pan Tang take their name from Moorcock but theres no other connection that I know of. They were a New Wave Of British Heavy Metal band that came out around the same time as Iron Maiden and Diamondhead. I saw them years ago and they weren't anything special but they did release several albums and singles, some of which I have. John Sykes of Thin Lizzy/Whitesnake originally came from the Tygers. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat May 4 10:39:01 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 15:39:01 +0100 Subject: More on BOC: ME262 In-Reply-To: <199605031524.IAA03264@desiree.teleport.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 May 1996, Steve wrote: > I knew I recognized another aero-enthusiast. Oh no: what gave me away? JAZZA _____________________________________________________________________________ Jon Jarrett Pembroke College Cambridge "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 460728) One of 'em must be wrong.." jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk (Knopfler) ======================================================================== From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat May 4 14:13:00 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 14:13:00 -0400 Subject: Fission Message-ID: It was a joke. You know, J-O-K-E? Mucho apologies por la smiley face perdido. Pobrecito. From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sat May 4 14:30:07 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon) Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 19:30:07 +0100 Subject: BOC / Hawkwind Sighting In-Reply-To: <1143.6698T541T2597@vossnet.co.uk> Message-ID: Not much to add to what Si said, but ToPT also had decent cover art (Rodney Matthews) in their time, and a minor hit with a cover of "Love Potion #9". With Sykes they were the equal of groups like Diamond Head IMO, and should have done better than they did, without him they were pretty dull, and I'd rate them alongside Maiden, Saxon, Def Lep and the rest. However, I'd rate Sykes as being up there with Uli Roth (ex Scorpions) and Billy Gibbons. Gordon. From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sat May 4 14:30:05 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon) Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 19:30:05 +0100 Subject: The Blood of Man In-Reply-To: <9605021801.aa08529@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: > obControversy: Getting Wishart into the band at that point saved them. Not here - I agree. HW need a front man/woman, they've been at their dullest when without. Even Mike Moorcock has managed to breathe some life into otherwise dull performances. During the early eighties, HLL took a rather more central role at times than he would have done had there been a Turner or Calvert about. Unfortunately, I've not seen them with Tree, but A4 is a win over the last couple of albums/tours. Gordon. From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Sat May 4 17:12:51 1996 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 17:12:51 -0400 Subject: BOC: Attention guitarists... Message-ID: I just picked up a guitar transcription book to "Cult Classic". The song list is as follows: The Reaper ETI ME 262 This Ain't The Summer of Love Burning For You OD'd On Life Itself Flaming Telepaths Godzilla Astronomy Cities On Flame.... Harvester Of Eyes Buck's Boogie (A waste of valuable space in my opinion, they should have put in Perfect Water instead) I am by no means an experienced guitarist, but the transcriptions seem very accurate to me. From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun May 5 02:51:19 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 02:51:19 BST Subject: HW: must be spring Message-ID: Or at lest the summer solstice is looming..... I've just been told that Hawkwind will be playing live at Brentwood {where??? - you may well ask!) on 22nd June. Apparently there's a large convention centre there (it's near Chelmsford, Essex) with a 2000 seating capacity so they'll have to do a bit more advertising than usual if they want to get a decent audience to fill it! They'll also be playing at Ipswich and Guildford on the next two nights (22nd and 23rd June) but we don't know which order the gigs are. More if I hear it jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun May 5 03:00:15 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 03:00:15 BST Subject: OFF: PTree email discussion list Message-ID: Apparently one of the guys at Delerium is running a Porcupine Tree email discussion list - similar to this one I guess. I'll see if I can get hold of the address for anyone who is interested. cheers jill ObtenuousHawkwindlink> Yes, there is one. Both bands have had tracks covered (remixed) by Astralasia! Apparently Voyage 34 remixes are due to be released on CD - but not for a while yet... ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun May 5 03:43:17 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 02:43:17 -0500 Subject: HW: Better with Bridgette? Message-ID: On 2-MAY-1996 21:12:57.5 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> >Don't get me wrong, I like the Bridgette material a lot (she is no >babe, i f >> >I may get non PC). >> >> > I totally disagree, Live Legends is one of my favorite erotic >> >videos of all time. >> But, you gotta admit, wrapping Bridgett up in the mummy >outfit tied > to the pole is pretty darned close to some of Nik >Turner's antics. I didn't see where this LL discussion started, but here's my two cents: The ballet dancer just seemed cheesy...didn't like that part at all. But Bridgett I think I could get used to... Though it seems she's getting ready for a swim at one point...why? Chuck `[1;34;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun May 5 07:37:15 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 12:37:15 +0100 Subject: HW: must be spring In-Reply-To: <9605050251.aa27554@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at May 5, 96 02:51:19 am Message-ID: > I've just been told that Hawkwind will be playing live at Brentwood > {where??? - you may well ask!) on 22nd June. > They'll also be playing at Ipswich and Guildford on the next two nights > (22nd and 23rd June) but we don't know which order the gigs are. Er, are the next two nights the 23rd and 24th then or is the Brentwood gig on the 21st! :) This is good news--I might even have enough cash by then to blow it on a few HW gigs :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun May 5 07:40:11 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 12:40:11 +0100 Subject: BOC: Attention guitarists... In-Reply-To: <9605041711.aa02772@buffnet1.buffnet.net> from "Joseph M. Lofft" at May 4, 96 05:12:51 pm Message-ID: > I just picked up a guitar transcription book to "Cult Classic". Gee, I take it you mean this has tabulature? That sounds highly useful! Can you provide publishing details for the purposes of ordering this thing? Does it include transcriptions of the solos? > Buck's Boogie (A waste of valuable space in my opinion, they should > have put in Perfect Water instead) No way! :) I've occasionally tried playing bits of this and don't think my fingers move fast enough :) I'd be very interested to see what the "recommended fingerings" are. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From HWillman at AOL.COM Sun May 5 11:29:51 1996 From: HWillman at AOL.COM (HWillman at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 11:29:51 -0400 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-03 17:25:28 EDT, you write: >He wasn't a "hired" hand. Whatever they "considered" him, they never >bothered to pay him. Clearly, this is one of the most disturbing things I've ever heard about BOC (right up there with the Imaginos release). But then, I'm sure I haven't heard the worst! -- Howard From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Sun May 5 12:41:49 1996 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 12:41:49 -0400 Subject: BOC: Sheet music.... Message-ID: A few people have asked me additional info on the guitar music book for "Cult Classic" so here it is: Available from Music Dispatch(1-800-637-2852) for $19.95. The catalog number is 00690028. Includes tablature. As far as I can tell it looks like all songs are there in their entirety. Looks like it came right from "Guitar for the Practicing Musician." From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Sun May 5 12:47:19 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr Pepper (they call me Mister Pibb)) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 17:47:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies In-Reply-To: <9604091507.A15005@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, cjohnson wrote: > Saw a reference to a new HW-relation title. The artist is listed > as "Hawk Fairies", the title "Purple Haze Live". This is > apparently another Twink/Pink Fairies thing. I do not know who is > the "Hawk" part of the name -- Nik again? > I think I have held in my hand a copy of this, and after scrutinising the cover put it down because I could not really see any HW link. The chap is someone who hang around the scene with Twink, and probably even saw HW play, and might even have known them, but I don't think the CD claims he ever played with them. I seem to recall the CD is a live set of traditional r'n'b or blues songs with Twink on drums, something you could well hear at any pub that has dodgy blues bands playing. I might even have bought it because of the title, but I recalled my immense irritation at the quality of the Pinkwind 'Festival of the Sun', so I put it back, hopefully never to see it again. Of course this is my version of a memory from 2 months ago, maybe people with more of a link to Twink will have better info and a less jaundiced view. Mike w From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Sun May 5 12:50:45 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr Pepper (they call me Mister Pibb)) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 17:50:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Jeremy Beadle (no honestly) Message-ID: Did any one else see the Andrew Neil interview programme on Friday night, entitled 'Is this your life?' that had Jeremy Beadle on? He organised Bickershaw festival in 1972, and there was a clip of him being interviewed saying how much he had lost on the whole deal, as everyone was ripping everyone else off, and as it was his idea it basically meant that he was ending up shelling out for it all. What a complete chap. Mike w From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sun May 5 13:42:44 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 13:42:44 -0400 Subject: HW: Better with Bridgette? Message-ID: >I didn't see where this LL discussion started, but here's my two cents: The >ballet dancer just seemed cheesy...didn't like that part at all. But >Bridgett I think I could get used to... > >Though it seems she's getting ready for a swim at one point...why? _BECAUSE_, man ;-) >Chuck M From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Sun May 5 13:42:36 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr Pepper (they call me Mister Pibb)) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 18:42:36 +0100 Subject: HW Adrian Shaw stuff Message-ID: Dear people, I have just been browsing at the woronzow Ade Shaw page http://www.thenerve2.com/woronzow/adedisc.html and have come up with these two entries Robert Calvert Revenge!, Cyborg 2, 1991, B-side with Pete Pavli, "Turn The Tape Over". Michael Moorcock, The Brothel in Rosensrasse, Cyborg 3, 1991, B-side with Pete Pavli, "Turn The Tape Over 2". Now I know about the Brothel in Rosenstrasse ltd edition single, but it has been ages since I looked at it. Is the B side entitled Turn the Tape over 2? Does it have Adrian Shaw on it? What is the Revenge thing by RC? Can you please it explain it all to me. Mike w From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun May 5 15:18:53 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 21:18:53 +0200 Subject: HW Adrian Shaw stuff Message-ID: >Robert Calvert >Revenge!, Cyborg 2, 1991, B-side with Pete Pavli, "Turn The Tape Over". > >Michael Moorcock, >The Brothel in Rosensrasse, Cyborg 3, 1991, B-side with Pete Pavli, "Turn >The Tape Over 2". > >Now I know about the Brothel in Rosenstrasse ltd edition single, but it >has been ages since I looked at it. Is the B side entitled Turn the Tape >over 2? Does it have Adrian Shaw on it? What is the Revenge thing by RC? > >Can you please it explain it all to me. I wonder if anybody, including Adrian Shaw and Peter Pavli, can explain the Turn the Tape Over Tracks. Here's what's on the tapes: M Moorcock/The Brothel in Rosenstrasse Side A: The Brothel in Rosenstrasse - Good Girl, Bad Girl - Another Quiet Day in Auschwitz - At the Time Centre Musicians: Pavli gtr/synths, D. Theaker dms, Moorcock vocals Side B: Turn the Tape Over Vol. 1 Musicians: Shaw/Pavli R Calvert/Revenge Side A: Revenge - Bugatti - Fascism/Futurism - Isadora Musicians: Pavli gtr/bass/piano, House violin/synths, Calvert vocals Side B: Turn the Tape Over Vol. 2 Musicians: Shaw/Pavli If you pick me in a good mood, I'll describe the "Turn the Tape Over" pieces as a "tape filler" that's already been described pretty well by its title. I hope our friends Shaw/Pavli never did a Turn the Tape Over Tour ;0) True Calvert or Moorcock fans should though be happy with the A sides, newbies may begin with Captain Lockheed, Lucky Leif or New World's Fair. (playing Fascism/Futurism right now - there's an early High Tide atmosphere in it :0) >Mike w \\joe From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun May 5 20:20:28 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 20:20:28 BST Subject: HW Adrian Shaw stuff In-Reply-To: they call me Mister Pibb's message of Sun, 5 May 1996 18:42:36 +0100 Message-ID: they call me Mister Pibb writes: > Dear people, > > I have just been browsing at the woronzow Ade Shaw page > > http://www.thenerve2.com/woronzow/adedisc.html > > and have come up with these two entries > > Robert Calvert > Revenge!, Cyborg 2, 1991, B-side with Pete Pavli, "Turn The Tape Over". > > Michael Moorcock, > The Brothel in Rosensrasse, Cyborg 3, 1991, B-side with Pete Pavli, "Turn > The Tape Over 2". > > Now I know about the Brothel in Rosenstrasse ltd edition single, but it > has been ages since I looked at it. Is the B side entitled Turn the Tape > over 2? Nope. The b-side is Time Centre - a nice bit of Hawkwindish riffing that I've always enjoyed listening to. > Does it have Adrian Shaw on it? Not sure. Deep Fix is involved but I can't remember who was in Deep Fix at that time. > What is the Revenge thing by RC? It's a tape released by Cybord Record and Tapes Inc (above) with Bob Calvert's lyrics set to some fairly wierd music. Musicians are: P.Pavli (Guitar, Bass, Piano), S.House (Violin, Synths), R.Calvert (Vocals). The b-side of the tape is called "Turn the Tape Over Vol 2." and is ummmmmm.... minimalist, would be the politest term. Yoko Ono would have been proud of it. It's performed by A.Shaw and P.Pavli. > Can you please it explain it all to me. > Can't explain the Moorcock / Turn the Tape over link except to suggest that it may be a mistype. Such things are known - this month's Record Collector is advertising an autographed letter by Albert Einstein which has unfortunately become tied up with an advert for an autographed photo of England World Cup Winners and it does read strange..... I had no idea that Alf Ramsay was manager of Einstein's team - nuclear physicist *and* football manager - that sure does explain a lot! There's another copy of the 7" being advertised for sale in Record Collector. I'll send it as a separate message. jill > Mike w ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun May 5 20:25:20 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 20:25:20 BST Subject: HW: must be spring In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Sun, 5 May 1996 12:37:15 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > I've just been told that Hawkwind will be playing live at Brentwood > > {where??? - you may well ask!) on 22nd June. > > They'll also be playing at Ipswich and Guildford on the next two nights > Er, are the next two nights the 23rd and 24th then or is the > Brentwood gig on the 21st! :) > erp! I meant to type 23rd and 24th for Ipswich-cum-Guildford. Sorry!! Tho' with mistakes like that I'd make the ideal Hawkwind publicity agent 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun May 5 15:51:38 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 21:51:38 +0200 Subject: HW Adrian Shaw stuff Message-ID: > The b-side of the tape is called "Turn the Tape Over Vol 2." >and is ummmmmm.... minimalist, would be the politest term. Yoko Ono >would have been proud of it. :0) >Can't explain the Moorcock / Turn the Tape over link except to suggest >that it may be a mistype. no, it's actually a *better* incarnation of "Turn the Tape Over". The Moorcock version could is *almost* a proper song - much shorter (thank God!) and with some incredible lyric lines: "Turn the tape over Turn the tape over Turn the tape over Turn the tape over..." repeat in absurdum >There's another copy of the 7" being advertised for sale in Record >Collector. I'll send it as a separate message. The Brothel In Rosenstrasse? :0) >jill \\joe ObMusicallyLobotomy: Turn the Tape Over Vol 2 From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Sun May 5 15:51:10 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 20:51:10 +0100 Subject: BOC / Hawkwind Sighting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reply to Gordon about Re: BOC / Hawkwind Sighting >Not much to add to what Si said, but ToPT also had decent >cover art (Rodney Matthews) in their time, and a minor hit >with a cover of "Love Potion #9". With Sykes they were the >equal of groups like Diamond Head IMO, and should have done >better than they did, without him they were pretty dull, and >I'd rate them alongside Maiden, Saxon, Def Lep and the rest. >However, I'd rate Sykes as being up there with Uli Roth (ex >Scorpions) and Billy Gibbons. I've seen Sykes with both Thin Lizzy and Whitesnake and couoldn't agree more with everything Gordon says. Just to add that IMO Sykes first solo album 'Blue Murder' is probably the best thing he's ever done. Classic rock music that really shows how good he is. A great album. If you like BOC then chances are you'll like this album. The second Blue Murder album is IMO no where near as good. Sykes is currently on the road with the reformed Thin Lizzy (minus Lynott obvously) playing all the old Lizzy classics. I've not seen them but apparently he does the vocals as well and the show is heaven for old Lizzy fans. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sun May 5 16:12:22 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 16:12:22 -0400 Subject: Trepanation Back in Stock! Message-ID: Trepanation is back in stock. Your best bet is to order it from your local store. Ask for catalog#Ripe2211. It's carried by Big Daddy Distributors. If you have trouble finding it, you can e-mail the distributor-- MikeMango at aol.com, and ask him who carries it in your area. I think he also takes credit card phone orders. We also have a limited number available once again for mail orders sent to the Cellsum PO Box. But this is the deal I warned you of-- if they go the way the first pressing did, they may not last long. So, procrastinators, you've been warned... FYI- anyone who has a copy of the first pressing, without the bar code or Ripe&Ready logo, now has a bonafide collectible. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sun May 5 16:12:36 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 16:12:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: All the People That Died Weird Message-ID: A friend forwarded these lovely tales: Every one has a sense of humor even the grim reaper. It seems some people are just plain doomed. If you don't believe it, consider these weird deaths: * A fierce gust of wind blew 45-year-old Vittorio Luise's car into a river near Naples, Italy, in 1983. He managed to break a window, climb out and swim to shore - where a tree blew over and killed him. * Mike Stewart, 31, of Dallas was filming a movie in 1983 on the dangers of low-level bridges when the truck he was standing on passed under a low-level bridge - killing him. * Walter Hallas, a 26-year-old store clerk in Leeds, England, was so afraid of dentists that in 1979 he asked a fellow worker to try to cure his toothache by punching him in the jaw. The punch caused Hallas to fall down, hitting his head, and he died of a fractured skull. * George Schwartz, owner of a factory in Providence, R.I., narrowly escaped death when a 1983 blast flattened his factory except for one wall. After treatment for minor injuries, he returned to the scene to search for files. The remaining wall then collapsed on him, killing him. * Depressed since he could not find a job, 42-year-old Romolo Ribolla sat in his kitchen near Pisa, Italy, with a gun in his hand threatening to kill himself in 1981. His wife pleaded for him not to do it, and after about an hour he burst into tears and threw the gun to the floor. It went off and killed his wife. * In 1983, a Mrs. Carson of Lake Kushaqua, N.Y., was laid out in her coffin, presumed dead of heart disease. As mourners watched, she suddenly sat up. Her daughter dropped dead of fright. * A man hit by a car in New York in 1977 got up uninjured, but lay back down in front of the car when a bystander told him to pretend he was hurt so he could collect insurance money. The car rolled forward and crushed him to death. From des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM Sun May 5 16:37:25 1996 From: des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM (E F) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 16:37:25 -0400 Subject: Trepanation Back in Stock! In-Reply-To: <960505161221_484787407@emout14.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at May 5, 96 04:12:22 pm Message-ID: > > Trepanation is back in stock. Your best bet is to order it from your local > store. Ask for catalog#Ripe2211. It's carried by Big Daddy Distributors. If > you have trouble finding it, you can e-mail the distributor-- > MikeMango at aol.com, and ask him who carries it in your area. This isn't Mango from the Montclair, NJ area by any chance?? :-) --Eric From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sun May 5 17:00:45 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 17:00:45 -0400 Subject: OFF: All the People That Died Weird Message-ID: These must all be from the Fortean Times web site http://alpha.mic.dundee.ac.uk/ft/ ...which is one of the best web sites going! Check it out! - Andy http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham :) From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sun May 5 18:55:40 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 23:55:40 +0100 Subject: HW Adrian Shaw stuff In-Reply-To: <9605052020.aa02245@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: The players aren't listed on the Flicknife 7" (looking at #224), but from memory, it was Mike Moorcock, Graham Charnock (another author, also did SF) and Pete Pavli. Bought it on a stall at Seacon in April 1984 (where an unusual HW line-up played an odd set - Ozzi Hardwick got photos, but even Calvert's tape recorder was confiscated). Harvey partied overnight at the con. Memorable times... Oh yes, a related question for all - anybody know the track list for Snorkwind 'Henge '84, the female singer's name, or indeed the Seacon track list? Oh, and Hawkon? Some things weren't so memorable. :) Gordon. From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon May 6 00:32:14 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 00:32:14 BST Subject: HW Adrian Shaw stuff In-Reply-To: Gordon's message of Sun, 5 May 1996 23:55:40 +0100 Message-ID: Gordon writes: > stall at Seacon in April 1984 (where an unusual HW line-up > played an odd set - Ozzi Hardwick got photos, but even > Calvert's tape recorder was confiscated). Harvey partied > overnight at the con. Memorable times... > Yeah - the lost gig. No tapes of this anywhere 8-( Unless this is one of the rarities that are apparently lurking in Brock's archive. > Oh yes, a related question for all - anybody know the track > list for Snorkwind 'Henge '84, the female singer's name, or > indeed the Seacon track list? Oh, and Hawkon? Some things > weren't so memorable. :) > I've got: Snorkwind (Stonehenge'84) Heart of the City/ Circus/ Shouldn't Do That/ Choose Your Masks/ Mercedes Benz/ Right Stuff /?something - almost Secret Agent/ Brainstorm/ Master of the Universe However I can't absolutely vouch for these since they are someone else's listings and tho' I've listened to it I don't know the tracks well enough to confirm all of them. No idea who the lady was. Hawkon: 10 Feb 1985 Soundcheck/Auction/ Hurry On Sundown/ Mick's Blues/ Wild Thing/ Got Your Number/ Waiting For Tomorrow/ Brainbox Pollution/ You Shouldn't Do That/ Master of the Universe/ Brainstorm/ In the Mude/ X It in Tibet/ Rip Off Blues. I think they're ok. jill > Gordon. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon May 6 00:50:31 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 00:50:31 BST Subject: HW: HW in Record Collector Message-ID: Hawkwind get a couple of reasonable size writups in this month's (May) Record Collector. There's a quote or two from Doug Smith promising that some 1974 live Chicago shows should be part of an in-concert CD and that there are "several other studio outtakes that have been discovered" in the EMI archives. There's a good review of the EMI re-masters (rare!) And in the top 500 collectable artists after this year's poll Hawkwind are still up there at no. 36 (one place behind last year's number 35 spot). Porcupine Tree are at no. 144 (321 last year) but I haven't found BOC yet..... Items for sale: Michael Moorcock 7" single "Brothel in Rosenstrasse" (special sleeve + autographed inner sheet. 30.00 pounds from: M.M. Evans, 12 Old Farm Road, Crosby, Liverpool, L23 2RZ Tel: 0151 924 1808 Hawkwind posters: Astounding Sounds 1976 (tear on poster) 10.00 pounds Hawkwind/Man 1999 Party poster 12.00 Roadhawks poster 10.00 Love and Peace (United Artists poster) 15.00 Enamel Tour Badges 5.00 each Metal Badge 8.00 Winter Tour 1973/4 enamel badge 7.00 from: Brian Long, 6 Lynwood Drive, Merley, Wimborne, Dorset, BH21 1UG Tel: 01202 888423 jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sun May 5 21:13:18 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 02:13:18 +0100 Subject: HW Adrian Shaw stuff In-Reply-To: <9605060032.aa18389@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Jill wrote: > Yeah - the lost gig. No tapes of this anywhere 8-( > > Unless this is one of the rarities that are apparently lurking in > Brock's archive. The security that was working the con was ZZ 9 Plural Z Alpha, the Hitchiker fan club, specifically the live SF "re-enactment" mob from Brighton. I spoke to somebody who knows them, but she's pretty sure none of them taped it. > Snorkwind (Stonehenge'84) > > Heart of the City/ Circus/ Shouldn't Do That/ Choose Your Masks/ > Mercedes Benz/ Right Stuff /?something - almost Secret Agent/ > Brainstorm/ Master of the Universe Great - I had a blank for "Heart of the City" and "Oh Lord..." for "Mercedes Benz", but also have a blank for the track after The Right Stuff. Now that I look, I've got "instrumental" for some of the sunrise set, which was similar to stuff done at Seacon. > Hawkon: 10 Feb 1985 > > Soundcheck/Auction/ Hurry On Sundown/ Mick's Blues/ Wild Thing/Got Your > Number/ Waiting For Tomorrow/ Brainbox Pollution/ You Shouldn't Do That/ > Master of the Universe/ Brainstorm/ In the Mude/ X It in Tibet/ Rip Off > Blues. Thanks... didn't tape this one unfortunately. Pretty dumb given I had a tape machine with me - used for some Eloy playing back at the hotel. :) Gordon. From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun May 5 23:51:57 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 22:51:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: On 2-MAY-1996 23:24:20.5 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >At 03:43 AM 5/2/96 -0500, you wrote: >>On 30-APR-1996 23:37:22.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> >>Not "blacker dispare"? >> >Hey, I types 'em as I reads 'em! >> >> >> >>>In decimal chains whose mimic cry >> >> >> >>Not "Mimicry"? Nope, "mimic cry" to rhyme with "never fly" >> >> >> >>Ah well, I'm the guy who used to think CCR was saying "There's the >> >bathroom >on the right" instead of "There's a bad moon on the rise" >> >when I was a kid.. . >> >Yes, and I thought it was "gitchin for a runnin" in "Born to be >Wild"! > >Chris >> >>My best ever, from Zep's "How Many More Times": >> >>"I'm Harvey the Hotdog, that's my name... >>Harvey the Hotdog, that's how I got my name" >My favorite is Hendrix's Purple Haze.. "S'cuse me while I kiss this >guy.." _ Which happens to be the title of a book that is a compilation of misheard rock 'n' roll quotes. Chuck `[1;32;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun May 5 23:52:19 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 22:52:19 -0500 Subject: BOC / Hawkwind Sighting Message-ID: On 4-MAY-1996 04:11:22.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Reply to Joseph Brooks about BOC / Hawkwind Sighting >>Just back from the bookstore.. Happened to run across "Tales of the >White >Wolf" a collection of Elric stories written by various fantasy >authors, >authorized by Moorcock. From the back cover: "Elric has even >inspired songs >from groups as diverse as Hawkwind and Blue Oyster >Cult to Cirith Ungol and >the Tygers of Pan Tang". >>Never heard of the last 2 but I thought it might be of some small >>interest... If anyone *has* heard of the latter two bands... are they >any >good? >> _ >I have two Cirith Ungol lp's because the covers are Michael Whelen(?) >paintings of Elric. Haven't played them in years but as I remember >they were a >early thrash band. Not too thrashy, at least by my standards, closer to just metal, sometimes with a pretty sludgey/doomy edge. Wrote some great riffs, particularly the album "King Of The Dead". First album was more like Rush. They released four albums -- the first had the cover of Stormbringer, the last book in the Elric series. The 2nd album was the cover of the 5th book, and so on...backwards. But time is just a cycle, isn't it, and we're all one, the Eternal Champion. I know some people on the list hate 'em. Go ahead and set this guy straight... :) Chuck `[1;32;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sun May 5 23:11:41 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 23:11:41 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeons Gigs Message-ID: The Brain Surgeons will concentrate on album overdubs while bassist David Hirschberg and his wife spend the rest of May in China, where, after much waiting and proverbial red tape, they have been finally granted permission to adopt an abandoned baby girl. Next scheduled live appearance is June 22 at Mamakin, Boston, Mass. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon May 6 00:47:15 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 00:47:15 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeons Gigs Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-05 23:16:02 EDT, Deb writes: > bassist David >Hirschberg and his wife spend the rest of May in China, where, after much >waiting and proverbial red tape, they have been finally granted permission to >adopt an abandoned baby girl. CONGRATS to David and his wife!!! R. From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon May 6 01:01:11 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 01:01:11 -0400 Subject: The BOC/Magic connection Message-ID: >Those are great card ideas! Unfortunately, I'll have to think up something >else for the actual BOC card game now...wouldn't want to be accused of >ripping somebody off or anything...:-) You want them, they're yours. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon May 6 01:01:16 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 01:01:16 -0400 Subject: Fission Message-ID: >It was a joke. You know, J-O-K-E? Mucho apologies por la smiley face perdido. >Pobrecito. Pues, el no sabe mejor. ?Va ser possible a comprar el disco nuevo directamente? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From lansford at VNET.NET Mon May 6 05:09:29 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 09:09:29 GMT Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? In-Reply-To: <199605010305.UAA24200@ns.connectnet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Joseph Brooks wrote: >>In decimal chains whose mimic cry > >Not "Mimicry"? I seem to remember Albert saying it should be "mimicry." -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Political campaigns have about them the same excitement as a prizefight. Campaigns, however, are not nearly as orderly as professional boxing matches. - Ansolabehere and Iyengar -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon May 6 07:35:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 07:35:00 EDT Subject: Fission Joke Message-ID: >It was a joke. You know, J-O-K-E? Mucho apologies por la smiley face perdido. >Pobrecito. Yeah, I know, mine was supposed to be too. De nada From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon May 6 13:17:46 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:17:46 BST Subject: HW Adrian Shaw stuff In-Reply-To: Gordon's message of Sun, 5 May 1996 23:55:40 +0100 Message-ID: Gordon writes: > The players aren't listed on the Flicknife 7" (looking at > #224), but from memory, it was Mike Moorcock, Graham Charnock > (another author, also did SF) and Pete Pavli. Bought it on a > stall at Seacon in April 1984 (where an unusual HW line-up > played an odd set - Ozzi Hardwick got photos, but even > Calvert's tape recorder was confiscated). Harvey partied > overnight at the con. Memorable times... I know someone who was on Security at the con who claims to have a tape of the gig. > Gordon. FoFP From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon May 6 08:30:13 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:30:13 -0400 Subject: BOC / Hawkwind Sighting In-Reply-To: <199605040518.WAA20590@ns.connectnet.com> from "Joseph Brooks" at May 3, 96 10:18:36 pm Message-ID: Joseph Brooks writes: > > Just back from the bookstore.. Happened to run across "Tales of the White > Wolf" a collection of Elric stories written by various fantasy authors, > authorized by Moorcock. From the back cover: "Elric has even inspired songs > from groups as diverse as Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult to Cirith Ungol and > the Tygers of Pan Tang". > > Never heard of the last 2 but I thought it might be of some small > interest... If anyone *has* heard of the latter two bands... are they any good? In a word, no. You're looking at some really bad, generic metal, there. Steve From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon May 6 08:37:30 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:37:30 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeons Gigs Message-ID: Best wishes to the Hirschberg family -- and looking forward to seeing the Brain Surgeons (and various members of BOC-L) next month! John From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon May 6 08:58:16 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:58:16 -0400 Subject: The Blood of Man In-Reply-To: from "Gordon" at May 4, 96 07:30:05 pm Message-ID: Gordon writes: > > Calvert about. Unfortunately, I've not seen them with Tree, > but A4 is a win over the last couple of albums/tours. Dunno if you were here for the discussion of the Bastard as frontman on the last tour - he drew very mixed reviews. I personally thought he was great: he was completely looney, but in a way that just seemed *right* for the show. I'll never forget one image from that concert: The Bastard, his whole upper body painted, standing at center stage with his eyes closed and his arms wrapped around the mike stand, bathed in a red glow, with stripes of laser light washing over him. It was so surreal, and the music was so perfect that it totally transported me. And no, I wasn't "on" anything (though later reports hold that The Bastard was high as a kite at that show... "No shit," says anyone who saw him...). ;-) Steve From nexus at PANIX.COM Mon May 6 08:59:00 1996 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:59:00 -0400 Subject: BOC / Hawkwind Sighting In-Reply-To: <199605061230.IAA22573@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at May 6, 96 08:30:13 am Message-ID: >> from groups as diverse as Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult to Cirith Ungol and >> Never heard of the last 2 but I thought it might be of some small >> interest... If anyone *has* heard of the latter two bands... are they any good? > >In a word, no. You're looking at some really bad, generic metal, there. Although Cirith Ungol's version of Bach's Tocatta in Dm was kind of interesting. Their originals stunk though. JB From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon May 6 09:02:32 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 09:02:32 -0400 Subject: HW: Better with Bridgette? In-Reply-To: <9605051742.AA03667@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at May 5, 96 01:42:44 pm Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > > >I didn't see where this LL discussion started, but here's my two cents: The > >ballet dancer just seemed cheesy...didn't like that part at all. But > >Bridgett I think I could get used to... > > > >Though it seems she's getting ready for a swim at one point...why? > _BECAUSE_, man ;-) Maybe my friend wasn't the first person to suggest throwing her the river. ;-) Steve From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon May 6 10:21:28 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 09:21:28 EST Subject: BOC / Hawkwind Sighting Message-ID: > Just back from the bookstore.. Happened to run across "Tales of the White > Wolf" a collection of Elric stories written by various fantasy authors, > authorized by Moorcock. From the back cover: "Elric has even inspired songs > from groups as diverse as Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult to Cirith Ungol and > the Tygers of Pan Tang". > > Never heard of the last 2 but I thought it might be of some small > interest... If anyone *has* heard of the latter two bands... are they any good? > _ The tygers of Pan Tang, at one time, featured the great John Sykes [late of Thin Lizzy, and, yes, regrettably, Whitesnake--who fired him just as the album he played on when supersonic--and featured his replacements in all those smarmy videos even though they didn't play on the album...Maybe he and Albert should start a band for f@#%-ed over musicians?]. Don't really think the Tygers would do much for a HW fan, but ya never know... theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon May 6 10:23:50 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 09:23:50 EST Subject: BOC: Attention guitarists... Message-ID: > I just picked up a guitar transcription book to "Cult Classic". The song list > is as follows: > > The Reaper > ETI > ME 262 > This Ain't The Summer of Love > Burning For You > OD'd On Life Itself > Flaming Telepaths > Godzilla > Astronomy > Cities On Flame.... > Harvester Of Eyes > Buck's Boogie (A waste of valuable space in my opinion, they should > have put in Perfect Water instead) > > I am by no means an experienced guitarist, but the transcriptions seem > very accurate to me. Joseph: Where did you find it? Could you check the ISBN number, if you could, and any other publisher info? I'd dearly love a copy of this one! theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon May 6 10:35:33 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 09:35:33 EST Subject: BOC / Hawkwind Sighting Message-ID: si observes: > I've seen Sykes with both Thin Lizzy and Whitesnake and couoldn't agree more > with everything Gordon says. Just to add that IMO Sykes first solo album 'Blue > Murder' is probably the best thing he's ever done. Classic rock music that > really shows how good he is. A great album. If you like BOC then chances > are you'll like this album. The second Blue Murder album is IMO no where near > as good. Sykes is currently on the road with the reformed Thin Lizzy (minus > Lynott obvously) playing all the old Lizzy classics. I've not seen them but > apparently he does the vocals as well and the show is heaven for old Lizzy > fans. > > Si Right on re Blue Murder. Second album is bad, but the first, except for the occasional poor lyrics,is really good. And don't forget the fine rhythm section. They also played on the second album, and apparently, John forgot the dirt Whitesnake did to him, 'cause he did the same to Tony and Carmine--essentially imply that they weren't on the album. PS Tony plays on all the Gary Hoey material, not a bad gtrst there either! theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon May 6 09:43:23 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 09:43:23 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Another Surgeon sighting on the web Message-ID: You may have seen the review of *Trepanation* which I posted here last week from a web 'zine known as "The Cosmic Debris". Along with the album review, the editor (who is also a big BOC fan) conducted an interview with Albert and Deborah. For those of you who want to check it out, the URL is: http://www.greatgig.com/cosmikdebris/may/index.html or to go straight to the Surgeons interview: http://www.greatgig.com/cosmikdebris/may/tbs-frame.html John From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon May 6 10:14:02 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:14:02 -0400 Subject: BOC / Hawkwind Sighting In-Reply-To: <1152.6699T1226T2170@vossnet.co.uk> from "UNREGISTERED VERSION" at May 5, 96 08:51:10 pm Message-ID: UNREGISTERED VERSION writes: > > I've seen Sykes with both Thin Lizzy and Whitesnake and couoldn't agree more > with everything Gordon says. Just to add that IMO Sykes first solo album 'Blue > Murder' is probably the best thing he's ever done. Classic rock music that > really shows how good he is. A great album. If you like BOC then chances > are you'll like this album. The second Blue Murder album is IMO no where near Solo album? Wasn't Blue Murder a kind of semi-supergroup, with Carmine Apice on drums? :-) Steve From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon May 6 11:56:51 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:56:51 EST Subject: off:Sykes Message-ID: Steve writes: > > I've seen Sykes with both Thin Lizzy and Whitesnake and couoldn't agree more > > with everything Gordon says. Just to add that IMO Sykes first solo album 'Blue > > Murder' is probably the best thing he's ever done. Classic rock music that > > really shows how good he is. A great album. If you like BOC then chances > > are you'll like this album. The second Blue Murder album is IMO no where near > > Solo album? Wasn't Blue Murder a kind of semi-supergroup, with > Carmine Apice on drums? :-) > > Steve Yeah, and don't forget Tony Franklin on bass. He and Carmine are a great rhythm section. Carmine's like the Energizer rabbit, been rockin' since the 60s, and still one of the best drummers in the biz. Tony's played with everyone, and he's an amazing bassist, esp. on fretless... theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Mon May 6 11:14:05 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:14:05 -0700 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: > Buck's Boogie (A waste of valuable space in my opinion, they should > have put in Perfect Water instead) I like Buck's Boogie a hell of a lot better than any of that mediocre dreck on Club Ninja or any of the post Joe/Al lineups. The BOC guys trying vainly to do typical 1980's poodle rock {trying to downgrade themselves for commercial success by writing another Burnin' For You (Dancing in the Ruins)}. I remember making the guy in the record store dig Club Ninja out of the UPS box, getting home, cranking up the volume and spinning the vinyl, only to be horribly disappointed: "Make Rock Not War"??? What the hell was that all about? I hope to Hades that their next effort is not an embarrassment like some of the recent "Black Sabbath" material. Well, I guess if Eric (God Bless the man I respect him immensely) sees this screed, he'll definitely stick to AOL, eh? Steve "As long as someone wields the whip, someone else will want to kiss it." -G. Gordon Gordon From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Mon May 6 11:07:14 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 11:07:14 -0400 Subject: HW: was The Blood of Man In-Reply-To: <199605061258.IAA22884@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at May 6, 96 08:58:16 am Message-ID: Steve sayz about Mr. Tree.... > > Gordon writes: > > > > Calvert about. Unfortunately, I've not seen them with Tree, > > but A4 is a win over the last couple of albums/tours. > > Dunno if you were here for the discussion of the Bastard as frontman > on the last tour - he drew very mixed reviews. I personally thought > he was great: he was completely looney, but in a way that just seemed > *right* for the show. I'll never forget one image from that concert: > The Bastard, his whole upper body painted, standing at center stage > with his eyes closed and his arms wrapped around the mike stand, > bathed in a red glow, with stripes of laser light washing over him. > It was so surreal, and the music was so perfect that it totally > transported me. And no, I wasn't "on" anything (though later reports > hold that The Bastard was high as a kite at that show... "No shit," > says anyone who saw him...). ;-) > > Steve > Was this perhaps the Limelight show in NYC??? I saw six shows from the Spirit of the Age tour (April '95) and he was definitely the 'looniest' at that particular one. Other shows he was much more 'subdued', and others were sort of intermediate. Some shows he spent more time on stage than others...I guess it depended on whether or not he felt he had anything to offer to the performance at that particular moment. In NYC, he felt he had a lot to offer, so he was out there most of the show.....that whole scene there was weird, including the whole 'off-topic' scene going on. Keith H. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon May 6 12:31:29 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 11:31:29 EST Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: Steve says: > > > Buck's Boogie (A waste of valuable space in my opinion, they should > > have put in Perfect Water instead) > > I like Buck's Boogie a hell of a lot better than any of that mediocre dreck > on Club Ninja or any of the post Joe/Al lineups. No question about that, though 'Perfect' is one of the better songs on that regrettable album. > The BOC guys trying vainly to do typical 1980's poodle rock {trying to > downgrade themselves for commercial success by writing another Burnin' For > You (Dancing in the Ruins)}. I remember making the guy in the record store Yeah, I think 'Reaper' and Burnin's success put some awful virus in the collective BOC bloodstream. Perhaps not so coincidentally, Albert's departure follwed FOUO. It's likely he'd have no part in such dreck. Wonder if that was an element in his getting canned? Then again, with Al in the band, they'd never have had to turn to outside 'writers' like the dreadful Rob Halligan [who, regrettably, comes from my town, where he's treated like a celebrity/favorite son--I actually went to the same high school as that bum, though he was a grade ahead of me]. > dig Club Ninja out of the UPS box, getting home, cranking up the volume and > spinning the vinyl, only to be horribly disappointed: "Make Rock Not > War"??? What the hell was that all about? A tie for last place with 'Beat em Up?' > I hope to Hades that their next effort is not an embarrassment like some of > the recent "Black Sabbath" material. Yeah, the Tony Iommi band can be pretty bad, though 'Dehumanizer' was excellent. Still, I'd rather have BOC put out SOMETHING.' Even if disappointing, there'd likely be a few god songs, which is pretty much my view of recent Sabbath. Ninja would be a good album if anyone other than BOC had released it. And there are a handful of decent songs on it--just don't compare it to Secret Treaties! > Well, I guess if Eric (God Bless the man I respect him immensely) sees this > screed, he'll definitely stick to AOL, eh? > > Steve Yeah, he and Buck prefer the toadying idolatry of aol to the frank discussions on BOC-L, I'm afraid. You can run, but you can't hide... theo > "As long as someone wields the whip, someone else will want to kiss it." > -G. Gordon Gordon > New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon May 6 09:16:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 09:16:00 EDT Subject: BRAIN: Dave's adoption Message-ID: Are they getting a boy or a girl? More a question based on the difference in Chinese cultural views than anything else. In other words, if they got a boy, would it have been easier to get a girl? In either case, congrats to David and his wife. It can be quite an ordeal to wrestle with China's bureaucracy. Rudy From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon May 6 11:35:07 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 11:35:07 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: >The BOC guys trying vainly to do typical 1980's poodle rock {trying to >downgrade themselves for commercial success by writing another Burnin' For >You (Dancing in the Ruins)}. They didn't write 'Dancing in the Ruins', that was a work by two outside songwriters. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon May 6 18:19:27 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:19:27 BST Subject: OFF: PTree email discussion list Message-ID: > > Apparently one of the guys at Delerium is running a Porcupine Tree email > discussion list - similar to this one I guess. I'll see if I can get > hold of the address for anyone who is interested. > > cheers > > > jill > The geezer who runs the list is Ivor Trueman, co-owner of Delerium records. His address is DELERIUM at MAIL.BOGO.CO.UK . Sorry, I thought everyone knew about it already or I'd have sent it earlier. bye - Rob From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon May 6 13:35:17 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:35:17 +0100 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: <859DE0B23FB@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at May 6, 96 11:31:29 am Message-ID: > > dig Club Ninja out of the UPS box, getting home, cranking up the volume and > > spinning the vinyl, only to be horribly disappointed: "Make Rock Not > > War"??? What the hell was that all about? > A tie for last place with 'Beat em Up?' I still maintain a perverse liking for "Beat 'Em Up" (compared to the rest of CN, anyway). I'm not really sure why! > Ninja would be a good album if > anyone other than BOC had released it. No, I gotta disagree ;) Ninja lame no matter how ya slice it. The _one_ track in my opinion from either RbN or CN that is not a pretty fair embarrasment for BOC (fine, Perfect Water is a groovy Buck pop song, but its not very BOCish IMHO ;) is "Take Me Away". "TMA" is actually quite good, I think. The rest of it bites the great hairy syphalitic ice weasel and that ain't no joke you can disappear in smoke ;) > And there are a handful of > decent songs on it--just don't compare it to Secret Treaties! Which reminds me to randomly defend the two _Bad Channels_ songs :) No matter what shortcomings they have, they beat out anything from RBN or CN (except "Take Me Away"). And I still maintain than stand up fairly with the average BOC song from the past. With "Astronomy"? No, not with the _great_ BOC songs, but there in there with the fairly passable ones, and definitely above some of the dodgy ones. And I'd say the same for the handful of new live songs. It gives one hope, if not exactly filling one to tip-top with confidence ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon May 6 14:12:46 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:12:46 -0400 Subject: HW: HW in Record Collector Message-ID: What/Who tops HW as collectable artists? From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon May 6 14:12:59 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:12:59 -0400 Subject: Trepanation Back in Stock! Message-ID: Eric writes: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 May 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > I still maintain a perverse liking for "Beat 'Em Up" (compared to > the rest of CN, anyway). I'm not really sure why! `Beat 'Em Up's' a good song by any other standards, although it has got really _terrible_ lyrics. But the fact that it wasn't written by any BOC members sort of takes the edge off its quality. It's the sort of thing you'd expect to hear from Thin Lizzie in a weak moment, not BOC, even taking the average rather than `Secret Treaties'. My opinion, anyway, Jazza _____________________________________________________________________________ Jon Jarrett Pembroke College Cambridge "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 460728) One of 'em must be wrong.." jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk (Knopfler) ======================================================================== From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon May 6 14:28:17 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:28:17 -0400 Subject: HW: was The Blood of Man In-Reply-To: <199605061507.LAA24512@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at May 6, 96 11:07:14 am Message-ID: Keith A Henderson writes: > > Steve sayz about Mr. Tree.... > > > > Dunno if you were here for the discussion of the Bastard as frontman > > on the last tour - he drew very mixed reviews. I personally thought > > he was great: he was completely looney, but in a way that just seemed > > *right* for the show. I'll never forget one image from that concert: > > The Bastard, his whole upper body painted, standing at center stage > > with his eyes closed and his arms wrapped around the mike stand, > > bathed in a red glow, with stripes of laser light washing over him. > > It was so surreal, and the music was so perfect that it totally > > transported me. And no, I wasn't "on" anything (though later reports > > hold that The Bastard was high as a kite at that show... "No shit," > > says anyone who saw him...). ;-) > > Was this perhaps the Limelight show in NYC??? I saw six shows from the Spirit It certainly was. > of the Age tour (April '95) and he was definitely the 'looniest' at that > particular one. Other shows he was much more 'subdued', and others were sort > of intermediate. Some shows he spent more time on stage than others...I guess > it depended on whether or not he felt he had anything to offer to the > performance at that particular moment. In NYC, he felt he had a lot to offer, > so he was out there most of the show.....that whole scene there was weird, It was definitely a weird scene, but then I have a feeling that Hawkwind has always been kind of a spectacle, for better or worse. I've seen the videos, I've heard the stories. ;-) Frankly, Ron Bastard didn't seem any more out of place than the tales I've heard about Nik (and Calvert?). I think part of the reason I liked having Ron there was because it sort of made up for Dave and Alan hiding in the wings. And no, I don't particularly think they were hiding in the wings *because* Ron was there. I think they've just been going through another phase, like Hawkwind seems prone to do every few years. I'm sure they'll be back on stage, as soon as Dave finds his guitar. ;-) > including the whole 'off-topic' scene going on. Could you elaborate on that? I'm not sure what you're refering to... Steve swann at panix.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon May 6 14:36:11 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:36:11 +0100 Subject: HW: HW in Record Collector In-Reply-To: <960506141244_529304991@emout07.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at May 6, 96 02:12:46 pm Message-ID: > What/Who tops HW as collectable artists? Doubtless the Brain Surgeons, now that Kollectors are scouring the four corners of the Earth for those bar-code-less copies of _Trepanation_! ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon May 6 14:38:23 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:38:23 +0100 Subject: HW: was The Blood of Man In-Reply-To: <199605061828.OAA28524@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at May 6, 96 02:28:17 pm Message-ID: > > including the whole 'off-topic' scene going on. > > Could you elaborate on that? I'm not sure what you're refering to... I think he meant: the massive continous Limelight scene that wasn't connected with HW's presence. Thus 'off-topic' to this list (as much as anything else we discuss, anyway ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Mon May 6 14:46:19 1996 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:46:19 -0800 Subject: BOC: Beat 'Em Up, Dragon Lady In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 May 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > I still maintain a perverse liking for "Beat 'Em Up" (compared to > the rest of CN, anyway). I'm not really sure why! For some reason I always pretended the lyrics were "Beam 'Em Up" (this was before Alien 4), and I picture Kirk from classic ST fighting some Klingons on a planet, and he decides, "hey what the heck am I fighting for, I'll just call Scotty and have him beam 'em up... to the brig!" > The _one_ track in my opinion from either RbN or CN that is not a > pretty fair embarrasment for BOC (fine, Perfect Water is a groovy Buck > pop song, but its not very BOCish IMHO ;) is "Take Me Away". "TMA" is > actually quite good, I think. The rest of it bites the great hairy > syphalitic ice weasel and that ain't no joke you can disappear in smoke ;) You guys don't like Dragon Lady from RbN? I think that song is pretty good. High energy, good riff, good solo, ok lyrics. "The Dragon Lady will show you how to fry..." -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon May 6 15:50:14 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:50:14 EST Subject: puke 'em up! Message-ID: Jazza responds to carl: > > I still maintain a perverse liking for "Beat 'Em Up" (compared to > > the rest of CN, anyway). I'm not really sure why! > > `Beat 'Em Up's' a good song by any other standards, although it > has got really _terrible_ lyrics. But the fact that it wasn't written by Well, there's 50% of the song! > any BOC members sort of takes the edge off its quality. It's the sort of > thing you'd expect to hear from Thin Lizzie in a weak moment, not BOC, Jeez, don't insult Thin Lizzy that bad! The continual reference to fighting and violence in their songs is somehow less than ephemeral, esp. given that while Brian Robertson was in the band, he missed two tours while recovering from battle damage taken in bar fights! But I saw gigs on those tours, and Gary Moore filled in. So, while I think Brian's great, it was some consolation seeing Gary do his thing! theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon May 6 15:13:33 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 15:13:33 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: <859DE0B23FB@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at May 6, 96 11:31:29 am Message-ID: Ted O. Jackson writes: > > Steve says: > > > > > Buck's Boogie (A waste of valuable space in my opinion, they should > > > have put in Perfect Water instead) Funny that a guy who only coincidentally has my name would put forth a passable version of my opinions as well. Can I retire now? ;-) > > The BOC guys trying vainly to do typical 1980's poodle rock {trying to > > downgrade themselves for commercial success by writing another Burnin' For > > You (Dancing in the Ruins)}. I remember making the guy in the record store > > Yeah, I think 'Reaper' and Burnin's success put some awful virus in > the collective BOC bloodstream. Perhaps not so coincidentally, > Albert's departure follwed FOUO. It's likely he'd have no part in > such dreck. Wonder if that was an element in his getting canned? I sort of gather that the rest of the band always did think that Al's stuff was too heavy. Come to think of it, Al is the only songwriter I know of who, after 25+ years in the biz, hasn't "mellowed" (i.e. starting writing nothing but pop ballads). (I haven't heard what Iommi's up to lately, so he might be the only other.) > Then again, with Al in the band, they'd never have had to turn to > outside 'writers' like the dreadful Rob Halligan [who, regrettably, Well, the songwriting on old BOC albums was split between Al, Joe, and Buck. I think Eric wrote about what, one song every 3 albums, and Alan maybe one song per album? Now they've got Buck, who, by all reports, wants to write pop music, and Alan and Eric haven't written anything since the 80's. > > I hope to Hades that their next effort is not an embarrassment like some of > > the recent "Black Sabbath" material. > > Yeah, the Tony Iommi band can be pretty bad, though 'Dehumanizer' was > excellent. It had Dio & Iommi. If they didn't hate each other, they'd be the greatest team in heavy metal. ;-) >Still, I'd rather have BOC put out SOMETHING.' Even if > disappointing, there'd likely be a few god songs, which is pretty > much my view of recent Sabbath. Ninja would be a good album if > anyone other than BOC had released it. I've heard this opinion expressed before. I don't agree with it. The album would still be a big smelly piece of Limburgher no matter who put it out. It's just that if some big-hair metal band done it, you'd have *expected* it to suck. > And there are a handful of > decent songs on it--just don't compare it to Secret Treaties! Well, there's "Perfect Water",which is a truly sublime piece of guitar-rock, if you can ignore the silly part of the lyrics. "And slowly sink/ And slowly think"? ;-) And there's "Dancin' In the Ruins" which I don't really like, but I understand a lot of people do. And there's "White Flags", which is about as BOC-ish as "Goin' Through the Motions". > > Well, I guess if Eric (God Bless the man I respect him immensely) sees this > > screed, he'll definitely stick to AOL, eh? That's already a done deal. Eric has said things to the effect that we aren't real fans over here, and he has named the AOL folder as the "sanctioned" home of BOC online fandom. We've lost a few subscribers to AOL, who didn't like to hear the criticisms that have been made here of BOC. But only a few... And frankly, I think being branded "bad fans" by Eric sort of pissed off a few people who had previously been very supportive of the "3OC" edition of the band. > Yeah, he and Buck prefer the toadying idolatry of aol to the frank > discussions on BOC-L, I'm afraid. You can run, but you can't hide... I bet there are times when Al would probably prefer more idolatry and less frank discussions, he wouldn't be human otherwise. ;-) But he hears us out, even we say things he probably doesn't enjoy hearing, and that means a lot. Steve swann at panix.com From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Mon May 6 15:22:30 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 15:22:30 EDT Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: Does anyone know what the sales figures were vis a vis the other BOC albums? I would think it didn't do too badly on sales. Though it may not have rung the bell for the fans looking for the old BOC metal, death n monsters formula, it probably appealed to a wider audience. My guess is that people with varied musical interests liked it. Those closed minded and heavy metal oriented hated it. Others somewhere in between. I think it would have done well if realesed post spectres or agents. It followed the style of those better. I don't blame BOC for taking a shot at commercialism there. It was toward the end of their carreer. They took a shot at something a little bit more top 40 sounding. Some of it was actually pretty good. RR From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon May 6 15:31:17 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 15:31:17 -0400 Subject: HW: HW in Record Collector In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at May 6, 96 07:36:11 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > What/Who tops HW as collectable artists? > > Doubtless the Brain Surgeons, now that Kollectors are scouring > the four corners of the Earth for those bar-code-less copies of > _Trepanation_! ;) What do I hear for my first edition, signed by all 4 band members? Juuuuuuuuuuuust kidding! (Now if I ever lose it, Al will never sign another album for me - he'll think I'm running a tBS grey market on the side.) ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon May 6 15:37:08 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 15:37:08 -0400 Subject: HW: was The Blood of Man In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at May 6, 96 07:38:23 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > > including the whole 'off-topic' scene going on. > > > > Could you elaborate on that? I'm not sure what you're refering to... > > I think he meant: the massive continous Limelight scene that > wasn't connected with HW's presence. Thus 'off-topic' to this list > (as much as anything else we discuss, anyway ;) You mean, like the fishnet-clad dancer in the suspended cage? And all the gothlings and rubber/leather fetishists crowding the place? It *did* seem kind of un-Hawkwind-ish if you stopped to think about it... But frankly, when the band is onstage, I sort of lose all the rest of it. And anyway, I worked a couple blocks from the Limelight, so I got used to seeing people like that every day, on the way home from work. ;-) Steve From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon May 6 20:41:33 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 20:41:33 BST Subject: HW: HW in Record Collector In-Reply-To: DFrost8547@aol.com's message of Mon, 6 May 1996 14:12:46 -0400 Message-ID: DFrost8547 at aol.com writes: > What/Who tops HW as collectable artists? Here's the top 40 or so - but bear in mind that this is a British poll so US bands will tend not to get a look in 1. Beatles 2. Queen 3. Oasis 4. Pink Floyd 5. Rolling Stones 6. Jethro Tull 7. Neil Young 8. Elvis Presley 9. David Bowie 10. Bob Dylan 11. Led Zeppelin 12. The Who 13. Jimi Hendrix 14. Madonna 15. R.E.M. 16 The Kinks 17. Frank Zappa 18. U2 19. Marc Bolan & T Rex 20. John Lennon 21. Paul McCartney 22. Genesis 23. Prince 24. Beach Boys 25. Bruce Springsteen 26. Abba 27. Paul Weller 28. Pet Shop Boys 29. Status Quo 30. Kate Bush 31. Blur 32. Fairport Convention 33. Bon Jovi 34. Tori Amos 35. Yes 36. HAWKWIND 37. Pulp 38. Buddy Holly 39. The Small Faces 40. Freddie Mercury so there you have it - beaten by Tori Amos....... I'll refrain from typing any of the rest in - since I have no wish to violate copyright quite apart from the time it would take!! But I recommend getting hold of the mag itself, if only for the rarity of a good Hawkwind review and a very odd half picture of someone (?Elric) being attacked (apparently) by his sword (it's a small but rather curious photo!) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon May 6 15:59:12 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 15:59:12 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: In a message dated 06/05/96 19:27:59, you write: >Does anyone know what the sales figures were vis a vis the other >BOC albums? I would think it didn't do too badly on sales. Don't know actual figures, but according to Blue Pearl 7, it peaked at #63 in the US charts, and didn't even make the 100 over here (UK). Whereas _RbN_ made only #93/-, and ETL #29/#95. Best US chart position for an album was _Feet/Knees_ (#22), and best UK _C. erectus_ (#12). In the longer term, only _Agents_ and _SEE_ made platinum, and _ST_, _Feet/Knees_, _Spectres_, and _FoUO_ made gold. (But _ST_ not until 1992!) Personally, I felt that _Club Ninja_ was actually rather an improvement over _RbN_. I never cared for much off the latter except "Shooting Shark", "Veins" (surely the lyric book is wrong here, it's "balling his wife"?), and "Shadow of Ca", and several of the other tracks are pretty dreadful. > I don't blame BOC for taking a shot at commercialism there. It was > toward the end of their carreer. But surely it was only about half-way through their career? :) - Andy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon May 6 17:06:19 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:06:19 EST Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: > Come to think of it, Al is the only songwriter I know of who, after > 25+ years in the biz, hasn't "mellowed" (i.e. starting writing nothing > but pop ballads). (I haven't heard what Iommi's up to lately, so he > might be the only other.) > The current/ongoing Sabbath material is pretty heavy, though it leans heavy on the mythology angle. Personally, I don't dislike the Sab material as much as others do. I think Tony Martin's a great singer, certainly better than ozzy. > > > It had Dio & Iommi. If they didn't hate each other, they'd be the > greatest team in heavy metal. ;-) > Like Iommi and Ozzy. Maybe he, like Jeff Beck just hates singers? > >Still, I'd rather have BOC put out SOMETHING.' Even if > > disappointing, there'd likely be a few god songs, which is pretty > > much my view of recent Sabbath. Ninja would be a good album if > > anyone other than BOC had released it. > > I've heard this opinion expressed before. I don't agree with it. > The album would still be a big smelly piece of Limburgher no > matter who put it out. It's just that if some big-hair metal band > done it, you'd have *expected* it to suck. > Yeah, but that only applies to the lyrics. Buck's gtr playing is pretty hard to attack, even if it occurs in the midst of shitty songs. s > > > And frankly, I think being branded "bad fans" by Eric sort of pissed > off a few people who had previously been very supportive of the "3OC" > edition of the band. Agreed. I've invested hundreds [thousands] of hours of my life in consideration of BOC, to say nothing of the small fortune spent buying albums, going to gigs etc. I'm a shareholder in the band whether he likes it or not, and I'm entitled to my opinion whether he has the guts to listen to it or not. Maybe if the band listened more to its truly concerned fans, and less to the fawning sycophants, they wouldn't be in the quandry they now face. > > Yeah, he and Buck prefer the toadying idolatry of aol to the frank > > discussions on BOC-L, I'm afraid. You can run, but you can't hide... > > I bet there are times when Al would probably prefer more idolatry > and less frank discussions, he wouldn't be human otherwise. ;-) > But he hears us out, even we say things he probably doesn't enjoy > hearing, and that means a lot. > > Steve > swann at panix.com Well, maybe Al gets less idolatry, but I'm sure he gets more respect, at least I'm sure he does from me. And I think he hears the pulse of the true fan a lot better than the other guys... theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon May 6 17:14:02 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 22:14:02 +0100 Subject: The Blood of Man In-Reply-To: <199605061258.IAA22884@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: Steve wrote: > Dunno if you were here for the discussion of the Bastard as frontman > on the last tour - he drew very mixed reviews. I glanced over it as I picked up the last few thousand messages when I started using my home account again. :) First thing I did was rush out and bought all five EMI remasters and NT's latest though... So he's a bit of a performance artist as well? Peter Gabriel has a lot to answer for. :) Why 'The Bastard'? His voice does remind me of a similarly named frontman from a HW-inspired Leeds group called Bastard... and *that* Bastard seemed to get on famously with Brock at his HawkDog show in Leeds... errr? Gordon. From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon May 6 17:14:03 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 22:14:03 +0100 Subject: HW Adrian Shaw stuff In-Reply-To: <9605061317.aa09212@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: FoFP teased: > I know someone who was on Security at the con who claims to have a tape > of the gig. Shit! ('scuse the French) Really? Contact them, pretty please? I would *love* a copy of this more than any other gig in the world. It has more special significance to me than you could beleive... I'll fund whatever bribes it takes (within reason) to get a copy made. Gordon. From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon May 6 18:37:57 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:37:57 -0600 Subject: TRASHING GETS OLD In-Reply-To: <199605061506.IAA29718@desiree.teleport.com> Message-ID: No wonder Eric & Buck don't want to join us over here; some you are always trashing them!! Remember, it's all about the music, and BOC have no "bad" music as some of you keep stating here. Club Ninja was great for that point in time, and Buck's Boogie is the most distiguishablly beautiful, fast, jazzy and rock- in' instrumental ever written. Perhaps if we take on a more positive approach, then we MAY get Eric, Buck and Al ALL on the list together. Wouldn't that be cool? God bless... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon May 6 18:46:52 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:46:52 -0600 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: <85E72F85A8E@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: Steve; SO what you're saying is only "true BOC fans" are on BOC-L and not on AOL??? I, too, have invested many hours, dollars, and miles in BOC, but I don't think that it is fair to say that those elsewhere are not real fans. What about BOC fans who don't even have computers? Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Mon May 6 18:59:30 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:59:30 -0400 Subject: BOC and the X-Files Message-ID: The following text is a post I put on the BOC folder on AOL a few weeks ago. Not many people followed up on this - in fact no one. Anyway, I was standing in the Atlanta airport yesterday and noticed the latest Rolling Stone with a cover article about the X-files and a side aticle on how the show's produces are looking for some musical input from various bands...so I thought I would give it spin on BOC-L... BOC on the X-files I've brought this idea up to the band a few times over the last couple of years - It would be an excellent platform for building a new fan base - and could be a justification to get the boys on Jay Leno/SNL etc...and a record contract. Several complete episodes could be derived from a number of songs - Take Me Away and ETI are obvious. The story line in the Subhuman would be make a great episode -- people disappearing from a small Long Island town just to join the oyster boys...maybe have a section with the band playing the song in a local bar describing the 'legend' of the Blue Oyster Cult. etc., etc., etc., I don't know who is managing the band these days - but I sure as hell would be making a few phone calls to the right to people to pull this off. I've heard X-file writers take ideas from various X-file i-net groups and use them in the show occasionally. A two pronged attack in this case would be effective - the fan base email-ing the X-file i-net groups and the BOC management (or the band ! - I've heard Eric a couple of times over the years express an interest in getting into sci-fi movies) making the 'high level' contacts. This is not impossible - just may take some persistence. Besides, I've noticed the writing in some of the more recent shows has been a little weak. They could an infusion of creativity - and BOC and all of the band stands for fits the need perfectly. If this idea works - it could lead to a multi-episode deal - where the same thread appears periodically. Just a few thoughts. Shawn PS - The Brain Surgeons should try to jump on this opportunity as well - especially since Albert wrote a majority of the X-file-ish songs. From mmeese at HOME.STLNET.COM Mon May 6 19:09:50 1996 From: mmeese at HOME.STLNET.COM (Mike Miesner) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:09:50 -0500 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: At 11:35 AM 5/6/96 -0400, you wrote: >>The BOC guys trying vainly to do typical 1980's poodle rock {trying to >>downgrade themselves for commercial success by writing another Burnin' For >>You (Dancing in the Ruins)}. > >They didn't write 'Dancing in the Ruins', that was a work by two outside >songwriters. > Did some one force them into the studio, make them record and release it? NO!!! They chose some crappy songs and released a crappy album. End of story From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon May 6 19:40:18 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:40:18 -0400 Subject: BOC and the X-Files Message-ID: Jeez, I'm not sure the world is ready for an X-Files script by John Shirley! :) - Andy From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Mon May 6 19:47:14 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 00:47:14 +0100 Subject: BOC / Hawkwind Sighting In-Reply-To: <199605061414.KAA23952@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: Reply to Stephen Swann about Re: BOC / Hawkwind Sighting >UNREGISTERED VERSION writes: >> >> I've seen Sykes with both Thin Lizzy and Whitesnake and couoldn't agree >> more with everything Gordon says. Just to add that IMO Sykes first solo >> album 'Blue Murder' is probably the best thing he's ever done. Classic rock >> music that really shows how good he is. A great album. If you like BOC then >> chances are you'll like this album. The second Blue Murder album is IMO no >> where near >Solo album? Wasn't Blue Murder a kind of semi-supergroup, with >Carmine Apice on drums? :-) >Steve Well yes it was a band but Sykes was the prime mover and he formed the band. He was very much the band leader. Appice wasn't on the second album as I understand it. I just always thing of Blue Murder as Sykes' project. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Mon May 6 19:54:29 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:54:29 -0700 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: At 09:09 AM 5/6/96 GMT, you wrote: >On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Joseph Brooks wrote: > >>>In decimal chains whose mimic cry >> >>Not "Mimicry"? > >I seem to remember Albert saying it should be "mimicry." It makes a hell of a lot more sense and, I listened again, it really does sound that way. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Mon May 6 20:01:12 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 17:01:12 -0700 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: At 06:09 PM 5/6/96 -0500, you wrote: >At 11:35 AM 5/6/96 -0400, you wrote: >>>The BOC guys trying vainly to do typical 1980's poodle rock {trying to >>>downgrade themselves for commercial success by writing another Burnin' For >>>You (Dancing in the Ruins)}. >> >>They didn't write 'Dancing in the Ruins', that was a work by two outside >>songwriters. >> > >Did some one force them into the studio, make them record and release it? >NO!!! They chose some crappy songs and released a crappy album. End of >story Heh, I always thought that "Dancin' in the Ruins" was one of CN's saving graces.. No, not a great song but I sorta like the hook in the song.. Sort of fits in with a Moorcock theme as well. My favorite (or least favorite) BOC clunker? Its HAS to be "The Marshall Plan".. a hokier song was never done, IMO. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Tue May 7 02:07:01 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 23:07:01 -0700 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: >>>They didn't write 'Dancing in the Ruins', that was a work by two outside >>>songwriters. I know a lot of good BOC material has come from outside writers, but I think they should have chosen more carefully in that instance. >>Did some one force them into the studio, make them record and release it? >>NO!!! They chose some crappy songs and released a crappy album. End of >>story > >Heh, I always thought that "Dancin' in the Ruins" was one of CN's saving >graces.. No, not a great song but I sorta like the hook in the song.. Sort >of fits in with a Moorcock theme as well. I do agree that "Dancin'" was the high point of CNinja. It doesn't hold up very well, though- I can't play it loud with the windows open like I can "Tattoo Vampire" or "Lips in the Hills" >My favorite (or least favorite) BOC clunker? Its HAS to be "The Marshall >Plan".. a hokier song was never done, IMO. Yeah- they had a knack for having some really good hooks and riffs inside of songs that are, taken as a whole quite crappy. SP "As long as someone wields the whip, someone else will want to kiss it." -G. Gordon Gordon From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Tue May 7 02:09:45 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 23:09:45 -0700 Subject: BOC and the X-Files Message-ID: I wish BOC or the Surgeons would goddamn do it! Steve P "As long as someone wields the whip, someone else will want to kiss it." -G. Gordon Gordon From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Tue May 7 02:19:38 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 23:19:38 -0700 Subject: Not Trashing Eric- Honest!!! Message-ID: >No wonder Eric & Buck don't want to join us over here; some you are always >trashing them...Club Ninja was great for that point in time, and >Buck's Boogie is the most distiguishablly beautiful, fast, jazzy and rock- >in' instrumental ever written. I'm not sure Club Ninja was great, but it was certainly better than "Winger"- remember that moron? He's probably leading the band in a gay dinner theatre right now. >Perhaps if we take on a more positive approach, then we MAY get Eric, Buck >and Al ALL on the list together. Wouldn't that be cool? I thought I said I liked Eric when I panned Club Ninja? Well, just to restate: I like Eric, but I thought Club Ninja was not that great. Actually- having put the old thing on the turntable and given it another listen after this back and forth, it seems to me that what I really hate about Club Ninja is not the songs- it's the production! Any thoughts on that? I worked in a studio as an engineer and I've played in bands and I think I can say without serious contradiction that poor production can ruin a good song as sure as a poorly placed turd can spoil a punchbowl. Club Ninja has that goddamn Bob Rock/Rupert Hine way too crisp let's all be frigid-digital sound to it. It's like a dentist's drill in my ears. This is why I like Led Zeppelin and the Smashing Pumpkins, but threw away my 80's heavy metal records (actually I gave them away to some High Fivin' Mothers)- the production techniques popular in the 80's threw thebaby out with the bathwater trying to make everything sound like a CD. Neil Young can tell you why it didn't work in the last ish of Mondo 2000- for anyone who can find that. Steve P. "As long as someone wields the whip, someone else will want to kiss it." -G. Gordon Gordon From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue May 7 03:12:39 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 02:12:39 -0500 Subject: BOC / Hawkwind Sighting Message-ID: On 6-MAY-1996 09:05:33.5 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >>> from groups as diverse as Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult to Cirith >Ungol an d >>> Never heard of the last 2 but I thought it might be of some small >>> interest... If anyone *has* heard of the latter two bands... are >they any good? >> >>In a word, no. You're looking at some really bad, generic metal, >there. >Although Cirith Ungol's version of Bach's Tocatta in Dm was kind of >interesting. Their originals stunk though. >JB Ah, you guys just aren't metal fans. "Atom Smasher" and "Death Of The Sun" can't be denied... Chuck `[1;31;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue May 7 03:13:00 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 02:13:00 -0500 Subject: off:Sykes Message-ID: On 6-MAY-1996 11:05:25.9 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Steve writes: >> > I've seen Sykes with both Thin Lizzy and Whitesnake and couoldn't >agree m ore >> > with everything Gordon says. Just to add that IMO Sykes first solo >album 'Blue >> > Murder' is probably the best thing he's ever done. Classic rock >music tha t >> > really shows how good he is. A great album. If you like BOC then >chances > > are you'll like this album. The second Blue Murder album >is IMO no where near >> >> Solo album? Wasn't Blue Murder a kind of semi-supergroup, with >> Carmine Apice on drums? :-) >> >> Steve >Yeah, and don't forget Tony Franklin on bass. He and Carmine are a >great rhythm section. Carmine's like the Energizer rabbit, been >rockin' since the 60s, and still one of the best drummers in the biz. Cactus! Chuck `[1;35;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Tue May 7 02:25:59 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 23:25:59 -0700 Subject: More on trashing Message-ID: About 'trashing', I must say that criticism of an artist's work should be expected. I can understand getting upset at some smartass rock critic (failed musicians all), but how does Eric react on AOL if someone disses a song they don't like? I can't imagine he signs off in a petulant frenzy (Frank Zappa: "A Petulant Fer-ENZY") Eric and Al have made it pretty clear that they can't stand one another and although I think Al has a good case, some of his jibes seem meanspirited and low (Eric can't sing, can't play the guitar, looks like an idiot...) Setting myself up for a hate barrage from both sides, Steve Phillips "As long as someone wields the whip, someone else will want to kiss it." -G. Gordon Gordon From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Tue May 7 02:35:12 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 23:35:12 -0700 Subject: Swerving crazily off topic! Message-ID: I think Tony Martin's a great singer, >certainly better than ozzy. watch it, bub- you're on thin ice! Although I can't figure Ozzy out- he's like the Paul McCartney of heavy rock- retire, come out of retirement, fall offstage and perform dull shows in a backbrace, retire again.... why can't he just *retire* or maybe go on tour with Entwhistle and Daltrey if he's broke (which I doubt) >> It had Dio & Iommi. If they didn't hate each other, they'd be the >> greatest team in heavy metal. ;-) As long as Martin Birch produces. >Yeah, but that only applies to the lyrics. Buck's gtr playing is >pretty hard to attack, even if it occurs in the midst of shitty songs. Absolutely true. And unfortunately, Buck's precious pearls have studded quite a few dunghills in the last few years. >> And frankly, I think being branded "bad fans" by Eric sort of pissed >> off a few people who had previously been very supportive of the "3OC" >> edition of the band. >> > Yeah, he and Buck prefer the toadying idolatry of aol to the frank >> > discussions on BOC-L, I'm afraid. You can run, but you can't hide... All Hail the Revolution! Right. Well, others have made the same mistake with much more drastic consequences- anyone remember that old Lenny Bruce routine?: Nazi: "Fuhrer baby, you look terrific- they *love* you!" Hitler: "You really think so...?" Steve P. "As long as someone wields the whip, someone else will want to kiss it." -G. Gordon Gordon From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Tue May 7 02:40:29 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 23:40:29 -0700 Subject: Pukin' to the Oldies Message-ID: >> `Beat 'Em Up's' a good song by any other standards, although it >> has got really _terrible_ lyrics. I hate Rock anthems- "We'll stop sockin'/When you start Rockin'"? Songwriting pen on autopilot- The great thing about the great alternative rock explosion is that they have a real dearth of anthems- Can you imagine the Beasty Boys or Foo Fighters singing those lyrics-except as parody? Rock anthems seem to have started in the 1950's, so I have to say that I don't fault the authors or BOC for writing this stuff. As rock anthems go, "Transmaniacon MC" has got to be the model to follow-but have BOC forgot the lessons they themselves taught? Steve P "As long as someone wields the whip, someone else will want to kiss it." -G. Gordon Gordon From gumby at PRIMENET.COM Tue May 7 03:20:49 1996 From: gumby at PRIMENET.COM (Thomas Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 00:20:49 -0700 Subject: Trash Talk??? Message-ID: > >Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:37:57 -0600 >From: jean l delacour >Subject: TRASHING GETS OLD > >No wonder Eric & Buck don't want to join us over here; some you are always >trashing them!! Personally, I would rather read some insightful criticism, than a fanboy's unending fluff-talk about how a band can do no wrong. It is the depth of the valleys that make the mountains seem so tall. >Remember, it's all about the music, and BOC have no "bad" music as some >of you keep stating here. Club Ninja was great for that point in time I guess I would have to disagree again. When CN came out out, I was racked with disappointment. The sound (as mentioned before) was terrible. Only three songs remotely kept my interest: White Flags, Dancin', and (of course) Perfect Water (digression: Why was Beat 'em Up on Career of Evil? Doesn't make sense). I think I can clearly rationalize to myself that the album was bad. Now, that doesn't mean it was bad for you, just me. Having said all of that, I can also understand your stance. I happen to really enjoy Revolution By Night, which has been taking a beating here the last couple of days (talk about beat 'em up!!!!). It is a very moody atmospheric album to my ears. I once read a review of it where the reporter summed the album up perfectly; he claimed it sounded as though BOC had sent hellhounds on his trail as he listened to it!! I love the 1-2 punch of Shadow of California and Feel the Thunder. >Buck's Boogie is the most distiguishablly beautiful, fast, jazzy and rock- >in' instrumental ever written. Although I love BB, I might have to put a couple of Satriani's tunes above it (esp. "Always with me, Always with you"). Peace to all, The Gumby Man From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon May 6 13:11:43 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:11:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Paul's Ob CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Paul Mather writes >Paul. > >obCD: Various, _Our Band Could Be Your Life_ > Great tribute LP esp. Party With Me, Punker!! How on earth did two Minutemen fans end up on the Hawklist? -- Jon Browne From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue May 7 05:25:43 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 05:25:43 -0400 Subject: BOC: Buck action Message-ID: Encouraging stuff from DR, on the Buck Dharma folder on AOL: > Thanks for all the congrats on the record deal, I guess we have to get to work now, no > more excuses! [...] > my private issue CD, which _will_ be offered in a while. Please stand by.... [...] > I need some new Buck songs to sing, gettin' weary of the current ones. NB this was from a thread on AOL, where I've clipped it is mostly responses to earlier messages. (I don't want Carl to think he's come in at half-time again! :) - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue May 7 05:30:37 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 05:30:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: Paul's Ob CD Message-ID: Jon asked >>obCD: Various, _Our Band Could Be Your Life_ >> > >Great tribute LP esp. Party With Me, Punker!! >How on earth did two Minutemen fans end up on the Hawklist? >-- What's more unusual is that there's two members of the "Hawklist" on that album :) (You knew that, didn't you?) - Andy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue May 7 07:48:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 07:48:00 EDT Subject: BRAIN: collectable CD Message-ID: >What do I hear for my first edition, signed by all 4 band members? If it was once owned by JFK, how about $560,000? BTW, Steve, you are missing somebody's sig. >Juuuuuuuuuuuust kidding! Me too! >(Now if I ever lose it, Al will never sign another album for me - he'll >think I'm running a tBS grey market on the side.) ;-) >Steve >swann at panix.com Rudy From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue May 7 08:34:03 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 08:34:03 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: >At 11:35 AM 5/6/96 -0400, you wrote: >>>The BOC guys trying vainly to do typical 1980's poodle rock {trying to >>>downgrade themselves for commercial success by writing another Burnin' For >>>You (Dancing in the Ruins)}. >> >>They didn't write 'Dancing in the Ruins', that was a work by two outside >>songwriters. >> > >Did some one force them into the studio, make them record and release it? >NO!!! They chose some crappy songs and released a crappy album. End of >story I wasn't defending them over it, I was merely correcting the statement. Their increasing reliance on outside songwriting (with the departure of Al) was a definite trend of the time period. Prior to this, they'd collaborated with outside writers, and covered some tunes on live albums, but I think this was the first time they took a complete song from outside and merely recorded it. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue May 7 08:34:07 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 08:34:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: Buck action Message-ID: >Encouraging stuff from DR, on the Buck Dharma folder on AOL: >NB this was from a thread on AOL, where I've clipped it is mostly responses >to earlier messages. (I don't want Carl to think he's come in at half-time >again! :) he's come in at half-life time.... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 7 08:39:05 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:39:05 +0100 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: <199605061913.PAA29419@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at May 6, 96 03:13:33 pm Message-ID: > Come to think of it, Al is the only songwriter I know of who, after > 25+ years in the biz, hasn't "mellowed" (i.e. starting writing nothing > but pop ballads). (I haven't heard what Iommi's up to lately, so he > might be the only other.) Hmmmm ... well, there's always Lemmy :) though it all depends on when you start counting. Motorhead formed in '75 so that's only 25 years, Lemmy's first "heavy" HW song was "Lost Johnny" ('74--first HW song was "The Watcher" and mostly acoustic). The earliest Lemmy penned song which I think begins to sound like the Lemmy we know and loathe :) was "Escalator" on the Sam Gopal album of the same name. On the other hand, many of Lemmy's other songs on that album were rather cheesy pop love songs :) so perhaps he's gotten heavier! Ian Anderson (Tull) still turns out material that's comparable with what he was doing all those years ago, though Tull was seldom as heavy as Sabbath, Lemmy-era-Hawkwind/Motorhead! > Well, the songwriting on old BOC albums was split between Al, Joe, and > Buck. I think Eric wrote about what, one song every 3 albums, and Alan > maybe one song per album? Now they've got Buck, who, by all reports, > wants to write pop music, and Alan and Eric haven't written anything > since the 80's. This is the real problem Buck faces as primo songwriter in the current BOC--he's a brilliant rock/metal guitar player trapped in the body of a pop-song writer ;) Worse than that, his brand of pop isn't currently in vogue! > Well, there's "Perfect Water",which is a truly sublime piece of > guitar-rock, if you can ignore the silly part of the lyrics. "And > slowly sink/ And slowly think"? I just haven't warmed to "Perfect Water". The guitar work is great, as always, even the makings of the song are pretty good, but the sound and production kill me. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 7 08:41:27 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:41:27 +0100 Subject: HW: was The Blood of Man In-Reply-To: <199605061937.PAA00099@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at May 6, 96 03:37:08 pm Message-ID: > > > > including the whole 'off-topic' scene going on. > > > > > > Could you elaborate on that? I'm not sure what you're refering to... > > > > I think he meant: the massive continous Limelight scene that > > wasn't connected with HW's presence. Thus 'off-topic' to this list > > (as much as anything else we discuss, anyway ;) > > You mean, like the fishnet-clad dancer in the suspended cage? And all > the gothlings and rubber/leather fetishists crowding the place? It > *did* seem kind of un-Hawkwind-ish if you stopped to think about it... Absolutely. This is Hawkwind, so the dancer should have ditched the fishnet and been on-stage during the show rather than above the audience in the break ;) That would have been much more appropriate and authentic ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue May 7 13:18:37 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:18:37 BST Subject: HW: Ron Tree and the Bastards In-Reply-To: Gordon's message of Mon, 6 May 1996 22:14:02 +0100 Message-ID: Gordon writes: > Steve wrote: > > Dunno if you were here for the discussion of the Bastard as frontman > > on the last tour - he drew very mixed reviews. > > So he's a bit of a performance artist as well? Peter Gabriel has a lot to > answer for. :) Why 'The Bastard'? His voice does remind me of a similarly > named frontman from a HW-inspired Leeds group called Bastard... and *that* > Bastard seemed to get on famously with Brock at his HawkDog show in > Leeds... errr? > He's called Ron Bastard (although in reality it's Ron Tree) and - if memory doesn't fault me here - he was a frontman for the Bastards and... yes... I think it's the same guy! cheers jill > Gordon. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue May 7 13:41:27 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:41:27 BST Subject: HW Adrian Shaw stuff In-Reply-To: Gordon's message of Mon, 6 May 1996 22:14:03 +0100 Message-ID: Gordon writes: > FoFP teased: > > I know someone who was on Security at the con who claims to have a tape > > of the gig. > > Shit! ('scuse the French) Really? Contact them, pretty please? I kept asking him to find it back when we were regular drinking buddies. He said it was in boxes at the back of a cupboard from when he'd moved and it'd be a mega hassle to dig the boxes out. However, he's moved up to Scotland now so I could have a try at getting in touch. > Gordon. FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 7 08:43:36 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:43:36 +0100 Subject: HW: HW in Record Collector In-Reply-To: <9605062041.aa09676@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at May 6, 96 08:41:33 pm Message-ID: > > What/Who tops HW as collectable artists? > > Here's the top 40 or so - but bear in mind that this is a British poll > so US bands will tend not to get a look in > > 6. Jethro Tull > 32. Fairport Convention Yay Tull! Yay Fairport :) > 33. Bon Jovi > 34. Tori Amos > 35. Yes > 36. HAWKWIND > > so there you have it - beaten by Tori Amos....... Worse than that, beaten by Bon Jovi! What? Motorhead isn't on the highly collectable list? Or did you just not reach them yet :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 7 08:57:00 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:57:00 +0100 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: <85E72F85A8E@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at May 6, 96 04:06:19 pm Message-ID: > The current/ongoing Sabbath material is pretty heavy, though it leans > heavy on the mythology angle. Personally, I don't dislike the Sab > material as much as others do. I think Tony Martin's a great singer, > certainly better than ozzy. I would agree that on technical grounds Tony Martin is a better singer than Ozzy. But IMHO Tony's voice is not terribly _interesting_ where as Ozzy's sounds _strange_. And Ozzy has better charisma on stage. Mostly I don't really like the production on the newer Sab albums. Motorhead managed to use modern studio gear an technique to have a _better_ sound than before while Sabbath has just gotten too shiny and slick, too much going on. The sound on their old albums was much more vital and immediate. > > It had Dio & Iommi. If they didn't hate each other, they'd be the > > greatest team in heavy metal. ;-) > > > Like Iommi and Ozzy. Maybe he, like Jeff Beck just hates singers? Iommi seems to get on OK with Rob Halford--they're working on a new project together. > Yeah, but that only applies to the lyrics. Buck's gtr playing is > pretty hard to attack, even if it occurs in the midst of shitty songs. I agree, but that only makes the song worthwhile for Buck's guitar playing--the song is still crap :) Take away everything but Buck's guitar and it would be an improvement! The band can't make it on Buck's guitar alone, as has been proven. They need good songs and righteous production as well! > Maybe if the band listened more > to its truly concerned fans, and less to the fawning sycophants, they > wouldn't be in the quandry they now face. Agreed. A fan who likes you warts and all is better than a "yes man" fan. Can beings that think for themselves _always_ agree on everything? No. But that does't mean if I disagree with an artist's choice and tastes that I hate them! > Well, maybe Al gets less idolatry, but I'm sure he gets more respect, > at least I'm sure he does from me. And I think he hears the pulse of > the true fan a lot better than the other guys... Idolatry and respect are very difficult to combine. But it's easier to idolise than respect, and easier to _be_ an idol than a figure of respect. My only beef with BOC is that they seem out of touch with reality, or perhaps just don't know what they want. If they want to keep at the rehash circuit, fine. If they want to hang it up and spend more time with the kids, fine. If they want to get out and drum up some support for the new material, fine. Just get on with it, whatever it is they're doing! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue May 7 09:18:05 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:18:05 +0100 Subject: HW: must be spring In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 05 May 1996 02:51:19 -0000." <9605050251.aa27554@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: > Or at lest the summer solstice is looming..... > > I've just been told that Hawkwind will be playing live at Brentwood > {where??? - you may well ask!) on 22nd June. Apparently there's a > large convention centre there (it's near Chelmsford, Essex) with a 2000 > seating capacity so they'll have to do a bit more advertising than usual > if they want to get a decent audience to fill it! > > They'll also be playing at Ipswich and Guildford on the next two nights ^^^^^^^ > (22nd and 23rd June) but we don't know which order the gigs are. Whaa ??? Hawkwind finally coming back here ???? Cool cool cool. :-) Its hardly on the way to Guildford from Brentwood, but hey... Probably be playing the Regent (was the Gaumont) which is about 500 yrds from my house. Crash space probably available for anyone so inclined. Tim From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue May 7 09:20:56 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:20:56 -0400 Subject: HW: Late again? Message-ID: According to Hawkfrendz, _Love in Space_ was supposed to be out today. So I had look for it at lunchtime. But I couldn't find it. But then again I didn't look very hard. - Andy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 7 09:24:31 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:24:31 +0100 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: <199605070001.RAA17257@nic.cerf.net> Message-ID: > My favorite (or least favorite) BOC clunker? Its HAS to be "The Marshall > Plan".. a hokier song was never done, IMO. Hokey indeed! I always looked at it that way, but since being forced to listen to it off of _WotT_, I've developed a sort of liking for it. A very tongue-in-cheek sort of liking--I'm a semi-aspiring musician, after all :) (semi-aspiring is several steps below semi-professional :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue May 7 09:28:38 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:28:38 +0100 Subject: HW: must be spring In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 07 May 1996 14:18:05 BST." <199605071318.OAA26656@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: Well after an abyssmal MSc exam this morning, things are looking up. Hwind play Ipswich, Young Gods play London in July (anyone know where the Garage venue is?), and a BOC tab book. Anyway - > Whaa ??? Hawkwind finally coming back here ???? Cool cool cool. :-) > Its hardly on the way to Guildford from Brentwood, but hey... > > Probably be playing the Regent (was the Gaumont) which is about 500 yrds from > my house. Crash space probably available for anyone so inclined. Actually, to answer myself, they're playing the Corn Exchange, which is ... err OK I guess. Good for beer festivals, but pretty crap for watching bands. Tim From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 7 09:22:04 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:22:04 +0100 Subject: TRASHING GETS OLD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > No wonder Eric & Buck don't want to join us over here; some you are always > trashing them!! I dunno--I think some of their material gets well-deserved criticism. I don't think anyone trashes them on the "good" stuff. And I don't think it's trashing Buck to say he writes pop-songs, even if I don't particularly _like_ pop-songs. CN and RBN deservedly get a panning. I mean, they're just not terribly good in comparison to most of the BOC output. They aren't terribly good in comparison to the new material either. It was a bad patch. And the band's attitude towards label contracts and recording as been strictly cloud-cuckoo-land territory for a long time, as far as anyone can tell. That's not trashing, it's legitimate complaint and criticism, even if it is simplistic. > Remember, it's all about the music, and BOC have no "bad" music as some > of you keep stating here. Club Ninja was great for that point in time, and > Buck's Boogie is the most distiguishablly beautiful, fast, jazzy and rock- > in' instrumental ever written. I agree on Buck's Boogie--I really like it. I bought _CC_ to hear a nice clean version of "BB". Not as fiery as some of the live versions, but overall a better recording. I have to disagree on CN. I think "good" and "bad" have to be subjective, so really what I'm saying is that CN did not match my expectations of what normally attracts me to BOC. Fair enough--artists live and die on subjective opinions from their fans, so they may as well tune in :) Those albums were IMH and very subjective O, pretty grim :) If an artist wants to get steamed about my opinion of an album they recorded a decade back (slightly more than "half my life" ;) then I think they need a longer view ;) On the other hand, I think the new material (what we've heard of it) is much stronger, and the sound is better. That certainly isn't trashing anyone. > Perhaps if we take on a more positive approach, then we MAY get Eric, Buck > and Al ALL on the list together. Wouldn't that be cool? That would, admittedly, be pretty damn cool. I'm not sure how we could prevent thermonuclear war from erupting between Deb and Eric ;) but life is full of problems ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 7 09:34:33 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:34:33 +0100 Subject: Not Trashing Eric- Honest!!! In-Reply-To: <199605070612.XAA11728@desiree.teleport.com> from Message-ID: > I'm not sure Club Ninja was great, but it was certainly better than > "Winger"- remember that moron? He's probably leading the band in a gay > dinner theatre right now. Oohh! "Winger & the Magi-tones". Will he have pink upholstered amps? The Murf & the Magi-tones scene from _The Blues Brothers_ is one of my all-time favorite images of the bottom of the heap :) > Actually- having put the old thing on the turntable and given it another > listen after this back and forth, it seems to me that what I really hate > about Club Ninja is not the songs- it's the production! > Any thoughts on that? I would agreed :) > I worked in a studio as an engineer and I've played > in bands and I think I can say without serious contradiction that poor > production can ruin a good song as sure as a poorly placed turd can spoil a > punchbowl. > Club Ninja has that goddamn Bob Rock/Rupert Hine way too crisp let's all be > frigid-digital sound to it. It's like a dentist's drill in my ears. This > is why I like Led Zeppelin and the Smashing Pumpkins, but threw away my > 80's heavy metal records (actually I gave them away to some High Fivin' > Mothers)- the production techniques popular in the 80's threw thebaby out > with the bathwater trying to make everything sound like a CD. Yes, CN and RbN are just too slick without enough balls left to them. There's a visceral appeal on some of the older albums that makes them rise above the admitedly crappy production on _them_. Some of the mid/late period BOC albums manage to get a good clean sound without losing the immediacy, the part of the sound that reaches out and gets you without fading in to the background. They have no life. Mind you I think the sound on _CC_ is less than top-notch (the delay/reverb on the guitar is often very uneven and unnatural sounding--listen to the beginning of ETI) the sound, overall, was MUCH more like what I expect from BOC than is found on RBN and CN. Is this just an artifact of covering the old songs? Or does this come out of their live sound. And will their live sound translate successfuly to disc when the record new material? I thought the sound on the Bad Channels tracks was fine (well, the drums were mixed a little high and too reverby, but that was the fashion at the time). If they can get back to a sound closer to _FoUO_ (ignoring Al's prominence in the productio on that one for the moment ;) that would be no bad thing. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue May 7 10:45:39 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:45:39 EST Subject: TRASHING GETS OLD Message-ID: Manuel opines: > No wonder Eric & Buck don't want to join us over here; some you are always > trashing them!! > > Remember, it's all about the music, and BOC have no "bad" music as some > of you keep stating here. Club Ninja was great for that point in time, and > Buck's Boogie is the most distiguishablly beautiful, fast, jazzy and rock- > in' instrumental ever written. > > Perhaps if we take on a more positive approach, then we MAY get Eric, Buck > and Al ALL on the list together. Wouldn't that be cool? > > God bless... > > > > Manuel It WOULD be cool, but not if it requires us all to check our valid opinions at the door. I've been a BOC fan for 25 years now, and I'm a professional musician as well. I have an important stake in this band, and I'm entitled to express my considered opinions. You notice that Al isn't scared off by our views--hell, he encourages them. And, I'd argue, he has a lot more to lose, trying to get his new band up and flying. Yet he listens to us and respects our opinions. What's wrong with expecting 3OC to do the same? theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue May 7 10:49:06 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:49:06 EST Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: Manuel writes: > Steve; > [I think you're adressing me, not Steve?] > SO what you're saying is only "true BOC fans" are on BOC-L and not on > AOL??? > Not at all. I've never meant to suggest that the aol segment aren't true fans. Just that the BOC-L folks are more willing to express controversial opinions. And I also respect those opinions, mainly because they are intelligently expressed, and in no way vicious [well maybe a little]. I truly bel;ieve that the criticism you read here is born from frustration over how great the band was, and still could be. theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM Tue May 7 09:54:36 1996 From: des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM (E F) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:54:36 -0400 Subject: Trepanation Back in Stock! In-Reply-To: <960506141258_529305112@emout17.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at May 6, 96 02:12:59 pm Message-ID: > > Eric writes: > > It is. Did he beat you in poker or vice versa? > > DF He was always a better Jax player than me ;-) Actually I owe most of my album collection to him. He always got methe weird stuff I was collecting back in college at a fair price. He had a shop for a while in Montclair and when it closed someone told me he moved out west, glad to see that isn't true. ...in a way the world just got one notch smaller. Cheers-- --Eric From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 7 09:53:45 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:53:45 +0100 Subject: More on trashing In-Reply-To: <199605070618.XAA13844@desiree.teleport.com> from Message-ID: > Eric and Al have made it pretty clear that they can't stand one another and > although I think Al has a good case, some of his jibes seem meanspirited > and low (Eric can't sing, can't play the guitar, looks like an idiot...) > Setting myself up for a hate barrage from both sides, ;) I'm going to chime in by saying I think Eric's singing is great on a lot of the songs. Not all--Deb's rendition of of "Baby Ice Dog" blows Eric's away. But were Eric is good, he's good. And he's good a lot of places for BOC--even if Al "rewrote the song for Eric's mechanical style" _a_la_ "FoUO" the final result *still* sounds pretty damn good. Take "VotPW" for example ... Who cares if Eric can't play guitar? It was pretty obvious that he was basically there to look hip and pose with the guitar. And if he's there just to bash out the ocassional power chord, then fine. It's only rock'n'roll! Looks like an idiot? I don't remember that shot particularly, but I though Eric's over-the-top stage antics fit BOC quite well. A silly image over substance? Yeah, well, sure ... but's it's only rock'n'roll :) Hell, my only experience of seeing the original band in their heyday is from the rather dodgy "Live 1976" video. And (as I said in previous discussions of this video) I got a good kick out of Eric's bizarre posing. There's at least one classic gesture from the normally restrained Buck as well. The whole thing is just brilliantly over-the-top rock fantasy. Eric's shades and cheesy leather suit, Buck's white suit, Al's huge flanged drum solo with the laserlight show from Yuggoth (not to mention the amazing Godzilla head, not appearing in this flick, but you get the idea :) Enormously good fun. No, if I'm going to castigate BOC it's for firing a significant part of the song-writing team and then farting about with no apparent direction. Believe me, if tBS produce an album as lame as CN they'll not receive any mercy from me ;) And I'm happy to express my opinion that I think "Imaginos" is a fairly weak track off the album of that name (and on an albums full of ... well, _pearls_ ;) Now, "Sally" off of _Trepanation_ seems to have certain structural similarities with "Imaginos", but is a much stronger recording. When hell freezes over and _Imaginos_ gets reworked, I'd recommend reforging the title track :) In the end, the success of the Brain Surgeons may be the best thing that's happened to BOC in a long time! I can't help but think that the two excellent albums Al, Deb & Co. have turned out have to some extent shamed BOC into trying to get their act together. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue May 7 10:57:46 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:57:46 EST Subject: Pukin' to the Oldies Message-ID: Steve says: > Rock anthems seem to have started in the 1950's, so I have to say that I > don't fault the authors or BOC for writing this stuff. As rock anthems go, > "Transmaniacon MC" has got to be the model to follow-but have BOC forgot > the lessons they themselves taught? > > > Steve P > How about 'Cities on Flame?" theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 7 09:57:14 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:57:14 +0100 Subject: Trash Talk??? In-Reply-To: <199605070720.AAA16627@primenet.com> Message-ID: > >No wonder Eric & Buck don't want to join us over here; some you are always > >trashing them!! > > Personally, I would rather read some insightful criticism, than a > fanboy's unending fluff-talk about how a band can do no wrong. It is the > depth of the valleys that make the mountains seem so tall. Plus, I guess you haven't seen the drubbing the Hawkwind side of the list regularly hands out to Hawkwind and Co. ;) We're _mean_ fans, who mercilessly vent our god-like (ie. petty :) opinions on the innocent, unsuspecting recording artists. And _no_one_ on the BOC side has gotten the thrashing that Hawkwind's manager Doug Smith reguarly garners! :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 7 10:00:39 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 15:00:39 +0100 Subject: BOC: Buck action In-Reply-To: <960507052542_288794827@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: > Encouraging stuff from DR, on the Buck Dharma folder on AOL: > > > Thanks for all the congrats on the record deal, I guess we have to get to > work now, no > > more excuses! That's more like it, Oyster Boys! > [...] > > my private issue CD, which _will_ be offered in a while. Please stand > by.... > [...] Is this his new solo album that I've heard rumors of? > NB this was from a thread on AOL, where I've clipped it is mostly responses > to earlier messages. (I don't want Carl to think he's come in at half-time > again! :) No worries! :) I'll probably get the other replies to this post in a month or so. My boc-l mail likes to compete with BOC for delaying the release of new material ... ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue May 7 11:01:18 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:01:18 EST Subject: off:Cactus Message-ID: Chusk opines: > >Yeah, and don't forget Tony Franklin on bass. He and Carmine are a > >great rhythm section. Carmine's like the Energizer rabbit, been > >rockin' since the 60s, and still one of the best drummers in the biz. > > Cactus! > > Chuck > `[1;35;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive Right, and before that Vanilla Fudge. Or how 'bout the greatest: Beck Bogert and Appice? Bogert's the best. Anyone know what he's up to these days? theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue May 7 10:16:29 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:16:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: Paul's Ob CD In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at May 6, 96 06:11:43 pm Message-ID: Jon sayz.... > > In message , > Paul Mather writes > >Paul. > > > >obCD: Various, _Our Band Could Be Your Life_ > > > > Great tribute LP esp. Party With Me, Punker!! Dunno what this is....does it have any relation to below? > How on earth did two Minutemen fans end up on the Hawklist? > -- Never heard the Minutemen actually, but fIREHOSE's 'Ragin' Full On' is a very fine piece of work. Keith H. From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Tue May 7 10:12:43 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:12:43 EDT Subject: "True BOC fans" are on BOC-L Message-ID: > Just that the BOC-L folks are more willing to express > controversial opinions. The profile I see on BOC-L is more weighted to pro-AL/Deb fans. It doesn't appear to me to give balanced treatment on very many many issues. They (AOL) should come over broaden the discussion. RR From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue May 7 10:25:02 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:25:02 -0400 Subject: BOC: Buck action Message-ID: Carl asked >> [...] >> > my private issue CD, which _will_ be offered in a while. Please stand >> by.... >> [...] > > Is this his new solo album that I've heard rumors of? > > You know about as much about it now as I do! And I'm *not* going through old AOL threads to see if there's anything I missed, because I get too wound up. But I will keep an eye out for anything new. I'm tempted to agree with your speculation that the Brain Surgeons' rise may have caused reverberations in the BOC camp... the long-awaited re-awakening of German air supremacy, or something like that... - Andy From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue May 7 10:36:18 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 15:36:18 +0100 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > My favorite (or least favorite) BOC clunker? Its HAS to be "The Marshall > > Plan".. a hokier song was never done, IMO. Although possibly slightly out of synch with the general theme/feel of CE, I always really liked this song. It's quite intelligent: makes a comment on the music biz, why boys want to be rock stars (to get girls), has some humour (guitarist trying to play the 'Smoke on the Water' riff). Why is that hokey? (whatever hokey means) I also can't quite understand why CN gets such a total panning. OK, it's not as consistent as some other albums and the cover art sucks big time. But it does have some gems on it. Actually, its funny how everyone pans it yet everybody has tracks they really like...which aren't always the same ones. As far as I'm concerned there are only two tracks that really suck *big time*: Rock not War, and Beat 'em Up. The rest range from pretty solid to excellent. Dave From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue May 7 10:40:52 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:40:52 +1100 Subject: Trash Talk??? Message-ID: On 7 May 96 Carl E. Anderson wrote about Re: Trash Talk???: > And _no_one_ on the BOC side has gotten the thrashing that > Hawkwind's manager Doug Smith reguarly garners! :) Soniqu? leaps out of lurker mode momentarily: And he's such a nice guy ...... -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue May 7 10:50:04 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:50:04 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: from "jean l delacour" at May 6, 96 04:46:52 pm Message-ID: jean l delacour writes: > > Steve; > > SO what you're saying is only "true BOC fans" are on BOC-L and not on > AOL??? I said nothing of the sort. Eric said that bit about who were the real fans and who weren't, in a post that someone forwarded from the AOL folder. Personally, I'm not all that fond of the cheerleading, "My band, right or wrong" type of fandom that seems to prevail over there, but maybe that's just because I've gotten cynical about this whole rock-n-roll thing. > I, too, have invested many hours, dollars, and miles in BOC, but I don't > think that it is fair to say that those elsewhere are not real fans. > > What about BOC fans who don't even have computers? Sometimes I think they're the lucky ones. They got to keep their illusions. Of course, we *could* all just wear horse blinders, but that would look silly. Steve swann at panix.com From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue May 7 11:03:30 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:03:30 -0400 Subject: Swerving crazily off topic! In-Reply-To: <199605070627.XAA17204@desiree.teleport.com> from "Steve" at May 6, 96 11:35:12 pm Message-ID: That Other Steve writes: > >> It had Dio & Iommi. If they didn't hate each other, they'd be the > >> greatest team in heavy metal. ;-) > > As long as Martin Birch produces. Hey - you really *are* my evil twin. :-) Are you the one who posted the article (I accidentally deleted it) about how the Bob Rock style glitzy production was what dragged Club Ninja into the mire? I'd agree that it was certainly one of the chief offenders. Some people claim that the tunes are decent underneath the horribly overdone production and the stupid lyrics. I can't quite bring myself to sift that deep in the muck to find out... :-) > >Yeah, but that only applies to the lyrics. Buck's gtr playing is > >pretty hard to attack, even if it occurs in the midst of shitty songs. > > Absolutely true. And unfortunately, Buck's precious pearls have studded > quite a few dunghills in the last few years. It *is* sad - he's *such* a great guitarist. Steve From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue May 7 11:08:52 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:08:52 -0400 Subject: OFF: Paul's Ob CD In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at May 6, 96 06:11:43 pm Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > > In message , > Paul Mather writes > >Paul. > > > >obCD: Various, _Our Band Could Be Your Life_ > > > > Great tribute LP esp. Party With Me, Punker!! > How on earth did two Minutemen fans end up on the Hawklist? I think a few people on the list might have picked it up for the Brain Surgeons cover of "Tour Spiel". Certainly one of the most wonderfully "dark" vocals Al has ever done. I mean in tonal quality, of course, the song is actually pretty fun. He and Joe sound really good singing together; I wish we'd heard more of this. Steve From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue May 7 11:15:37 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:15:37 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: collectable CD In-Reply-To: <318EAD2F@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at May 7, 96 07:48:00 am Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > > >What do I hear for my first edition, signed by all 4 band members? > > If it was once owned by JFK, how about $560,000? BTW, Steve, you are > missing somebody's sig. Whoops! I was thinking of the inside cover photo, with 4 "boxes". But of course, Al and Deb are in the same pic. It's signed by everyone: Deb signed over the photo of her and Al, so I got Al to sign over the lyrics to "My Civilization". ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue May 7 11:17:55 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:17:55 -0400 Subject: HW: was The Blood of Man In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at May 7, 96 01:41:27 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > > wasn't connected with HW's presence. Thus 'off-topic' to this list > > > (as much as anything else we discuss, anyway ;) > > > > You mean, like the fishnet-clad dancer in the suspended cage? And all > > the gothlings and rubber/leather fetishists crowding the place? It > > *did* seem kind of un-Hawkwind-ish if you stopped to think about it... > > Absolutely. This is Hawkwind, so the dancer should have ditched > the fishnet and been on-stage during the show rather than above the > audience in the break ;) > That would have been much more appropriate and authentic ;) I don't think her breasts were big enough to be really authentic. ;-) Steve From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue May 7 11:16:12 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:16:12 -0400 Subject: "True BOC fans" are on BOC-L Message-ID: >> Just that the BOC-L folks are more willing to express >> controversial opinions. > >The profile I see on BOC-L is more weighted to pro-AL/Deb fans. > >It doesn't appear to me to give balanced treatment on very many >many issues. They (AOL) should come over broaden the discussion. Hey, they'd be welcome to. Most of us can't get over there, but it'd be easy to get over here for them. I check the alt.music.boc group now and then, it seems far more geared to adoration and idolation, but the message volume isn't very good at all. (JS - do you have a problem with the FAQ being posted there? It might be a good hook to get people to get on this list...) +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue May 7 11:10:19 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:10:19 +0100 Subject: Albert's last BOC gig Message-ID: As a recent subscriber, I was interested to see Al's last BOC gig listed as being in Norfolk. It was actually in Bedfordshire - I was there and I wrote this review, which was never accepted for publication, SOFT WHITE UNDERBELLY, Queensway Hall, Dunstable, August 1981. The Blue Oyster Cult fans were out in force for this 'undercover' warm-up gig for Castle Donington. Some were still wondering whether they'd been conned by a no-publicity stunt until they arrived to see Dunstable plastered with the notorious Kronos symbol _!_ ) T-shirt chic was the order of the day with all the fans checking out the hottest designs. Fortunately my 1976 Agents of Fortune pic was not duplicated. Dead on nine o'clock the PA announced 'From New York City, Soft White Underbelly', and there was Eric belting out THE RED AND THE BLACK (it's their colour scheme) to the citizens of Dunstable. The main surprise of the night came as Bloom introduced the band: 'Buck Dharma; Alan Laneer; Joe Bouchard; and tonight on drums, Rick Downey(?)'. The jaws of dozens of aspiring drummers dropped as they realised that their hero hadn't made the gig. But it was OK - after EXTRA TERRESTRIAL INTELLIGENCE and JOAN CRAWFORD HAS RISEN FROM THE GRAVE: 'Oh here's Albert' said someone, and the world's top rock drummer wandered sheepishly onstage to batter the skins into submission for the rest of the evening. The band: Buck warbled his way through BURNIN' FOR YOU looking like a Klingon Empire traffic warden in his silver lame tanktop; Alan (who looked absolutely DREADFUL) hopped from keyboards to impeccable harmony guitar to attempted frontman (but nobody gave him a mike); Joe looked singularly cheerful singing HOT RAILS TO HELL. The minuses: Someone went into the middle 8 in the wrong place in OD'D ON LIFE ITSELF; Albert never put on a dinosaur head in GODZILLA; Eric didn't shoot firecrackers from his fingers in FLAMING WONDER TELEPATH; Buck was sloppier than usual. The pluses: Buck's amazing E-bow feedback noise on HEAVY METAL BLACK AND SILVER; Albert hammering the snaredrum stand into something like a CB aerial in a crosswind for a shattering version of Michael Moorcock's answer to 'Apocalypse Now', VETERAN OF THE PSYCHIC WARS; and of course Eric Bloom holding the act in one piece, moving round the stage like a prowling vampire as he slashed blood from his palm in UNKNOWN TONGUE. All too soon Joe was into his bass feature, presaging the moment when the smoke bombs went off wham into BORN TO BE WILD (good lord, are they still doing that?) and off they trooped. The carefully programmed encores were WE GOTTA GET OUT OF THIS PLACE and (would you believe) (DON'T FEAR) THE REAPER. Dead on 10.30 they were off and it was over; no CITIES ON FLAME, no LAST DAYS OF MAY, no ME262. 'Sorry I was late' said Albert. POSTSCRIPT (27/8/81): I see from today's weeklies that the day after Dunstable, Albert Bouchard flew back to the States announcing that he had left the band, dooming them to play a duff set at Castle Donington and breaking up what must be by now one of the longest-lived unchanged rock band lineups in rock band history (along with Quo). Don't do it, Albert! Think again! The Stalk Forrest Group needed you! The Soft White Underbelly needed you! Don't quit on BOC just as the band gets its first major chart album! Mick Godwin, Bath, August 1981. Note : I am not absolutely sure of the stand-in drummer's name, but Rick Downey is the drummer on the 1982 Extra Terrestrial Live album, so he is the most likely candidate. From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue May 7 11:22:31 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:22:31 -0400 Subject: Trash Talk??? Message-ID: >> And _no_one_ on the BOC side has gotten the thrashing that >> Hawkwind's manager Doug Smith reguarly garners! :) I am sorry to report that R.O.D.S. (Rub Out Doug Smith) has only met 60% of it's fundraising goals. This was after the projected costs were revised to somewhere around eight times what was previously expected. Part of the blame goes to Sonique, as instead of merely hiring a conventional assassin, he's forced us to use all proceeds to date in expensive research on sonic weapons. Thus far the only passable results occur when using one the the Hawklord Music guns and loading them up with "Club Ninja". Unfortunately the results of hitting Doug with this only causes pound signs to appear in both his eyes, and he once, after being bombarded for an entire night, woke up and placed a call to Tommy Zvonchek, but nobody was home, and he then returned to sleep. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From brentmcd at DEM.EHNR.STATE.NC.US Tue May 7 12:33:38 1996 From: brentmcd at DEM.EHNR.STATE.NC.US (Brent C. McDonald) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:33:38 EST Subject: BOC: newer stuff Message-ID: Damn! Can't seem to find my old Club Ninja tape anywhere. I never could get into it though. On the other hand, Revolution by Night is about half good. Take me Away, Veins, Shadow of California, and Feel the Thunder I like. Let Go is among the worst songs BOC has ever done, IMO. "B O C -- you can be whatever you wanna be. you've got the power, we've got the key -- B O C" etc. ------------------------------ >>Remember, it's all about the music, and BOC have no "bad" music as >>some of you keep stating here. Club Ninja was great for that point >I guess I would have to disagree again. When CN came out out, I was >racked with disappointment. The sound (as mentioned before) was >terrible. (snip) > >Having said all of that, I can also understand your stance. I happen to >really enjoy Revolution By Night, which has been taking a beating here >the last couple of days From brentmcd at DEM.EHNR.STATE.NC.US Tue May 7 12:41:03 1996 From: brentmcd at DEM.EHNR.STATE.NC.US (Brent C. McDonald) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:41:03 EST Subject: HW: newbie Message-ID: Thanks Hawkwind fans! I was out of town last week and visited a record store where, out of curiosity, I purchased an old Masters of the Universe on vinyl. It's just a compilation, but I am suitably impressed. I want more! They also had a clean copy of Warrior at the Edge of Time in the used vinyl bin. Should I make the effort to get it? From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Tue May 7 11:59:04 1996 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:59:04 -0400 Subject: off:Cactus Message-ID: From: "Ted O. Jackson" >> Cactus! > >Right, and before that Vanilla Fudge. Or how 'bout the greatest: >Beck Bogert and Appice? Bogert's the best. Anyone know what he's up >to these days? Well, the last two sightings I had of him were an ad in _Guitar Player_ for the Ben Schultz Band and an instructional video _Rock Bass Step One_. Apparently he joined the Ben Schultz Band after most of the album was already recorded as he's only on about three of the cuts. I'm very upset about the video as I think it is very misleadingly packaged. It is *not* step one at all. Yeah, yeah, it would be a waste of Tim's time to really do a true beginner's video but why call it such if it isn't? He shows you a few riffs (you can learn "Stand By Me" and "My Girl" from the tape) but he never really explains why. The box promises the tape will teach you how to play in a band. Well, Tim does say, "Be sure to lock in with the drummer" but the instruction ends there. Don't you think a beginner could use some advice on *how* to lock in with the drummer? Maybe just a definition of "lock in"? The video does make use of split screen: you get a close up of the left hand and a close up of the right hand while the music is displayed in tab along the bottom of the screen. But don't you think somebody at step one is entitled to an explanation of what tab is and how to read it? But the thing that bothers me the most is Tim is playing a six string bass. He points this out early one and promises to only play the inner four strings, but a beginner does not need the visual distraction. Are we supposed to believe Tim Bogert no longer owns a four string bass? That he couldn't have borrowed one for the video? That's just poor teaching. Worse, it's laziness. I'm a big Bogert fan (anybody else own the Pipedream album?) and I'll be able to get some stuff from the tape, but he should be ashamed of that video. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue May 7 12:20:06 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:20:06 -0400 Subject: "True BOC fans" are on BOC-L In-Reply-To: <9605071412.AA21725@zeal> from "ross.reyes" at May 7, 96 10:12:43 am Message-ID: ross.reyes writes: > > > Just that the BOC-L folks are more willing to express > > controversial opinions. > > The profile I see on BOC-L is more weighted to pro-AL/Deb fans. > > It doesn't appear to me to give balanced treatment on very many > many issues. They (AOL) should come over broaden the discussion. They? I'm sure anybody who wanted to could do that. It's not like you have to pass some kind of admissions test to join BOC-L. I don't really remember when you signed on to BOC-L, but we had many years of solid fandom here before the cracks started to show. I mean, it seems to me that there has been less emphasis lately on what we like about the band, and considerably more about what racks us - but maybe that's inevitable, when you talk about the same topic for too long with nothing new to add. If there had been 3 or 4 new BOC albums in the interim, we probably wouldn't be discussing what a loser Club Ninja was. Steve swann at panix.com From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue May 7 12:45:08 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:45:08 -0400 Subject: HW: must be spring Message-ID: Where are the HW British shows in relation to London and/ or major airports. Gettin the passport in order:-) regards, Bill Stewart From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue May 7 12:47:49 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:47:49 -0400 Subject: BOC: Various Message-ID: I would love to jump into some of the various BOC threads going on right now, but I'm starting a new project and have just about no time to do so (barely had time to read all my mail, never mind respond), so I'll just say, that for the most part, I agree with Carl A few other misc. points: 1. To the one who asked about posting the FAQ on rec.music.boc -- you can post the FAQ there, just as long as you put the whole thing there (which includes the copyright/disclaimer info at the end). The FAQ should not be distributed in pieces (unless all the pieces are distributed, and you make it clear that all the pieces should be treated as a complete unit). But, as I've always said, I did the FAQ not just for BOC-L, but for ALL BOC fans, and I would love it if the AOL folks (including the band) as well as the r.m.boc folks would use it, refer to it, and provide me feedback on it. 2. I may be out of line when I say this, but I don't think it's fair for us over here to characterize the BOC fans on AOL, or even the bandmembers over there -- most of what we on BOC-L hear about the AOL folks is probably not the complete picture, and we tend to rehash statements (like Eric's) made over there that were probably made ONE TIME (we make it sound like the band constantly bashes BOC-L). My belief is that some of us may have taken some statements out of context, perhaps colored them with our own pro-BOC-L attitudes, and distorted reality. Let's get back to talking about the MUSIC, o.k.? 3. Everytime the Club Ninja bashing starts, I find it amusing that many will say that the only like one or 2 songs on the album -- but when you look at what everybody likes on the album in total, you get just about every song on the album! So, the real problem with Club Ninja, IMHO, other than the production being too "light", is that it does not have a solid set of songs that is universally liked by almost all BOC fans. 4. Someone mentioned that they thought Al probably gets more "respect" than Eric because he's more open to criticism (the BOC-L vs. AOL thing again) -- My belief is that Al may get more respect not necessarily for that reason, but for the following: Without even mentioning Imaginos, Albert has released 2 (soon to be 3) Brain Surgeons albums over the course of about 3 years (not to mention producing them, as well as producing albums for several other artists over the last 10-15 years), while Eric and the rest of BOC have failed to release a new album (I don't count Imaginos or the Bad Channels stuff) of new material in the last 10 years. And even if we go back a few more years, hey - most would agree that "Revolution by Night" and "Club Ninja" don't hold a candle to "Eponymous" and "Trepanation". 5. Someone also mentioned the pro-Al/Deb attitude on BOC-L. That's certainly true from MY perspective (but I usually am pretty pro-BOC as well, so perhaps I'm a bad example), and I do suspect that *part* of that is due to Al/Deb's presence here - but not completely (I've certainly seen several of us, including tBS fans, have some differences of opinion than Al and Deb). But, I do believe that alot of the pro-Al/Deb attitude here is because of the point I made above -- they have produced, and have produced well. I think most of us here who have checked out their music have said good things about it -- there has been some criticism in part (like Steve Swann's "problems" with Eponymous ;-) ), but I think that criticism has been fairly small because most of us really like the Brain Surgeons' music -- and non-BOC-L reviews of the Brain Surgeons' stuff would back those opinions up. So, with tBS putting out plenty of new music, and plenty of GOOD new music, there's not much reason to not be pro-Al/Deb. Also, some of us have met them in person, and found them to be pretty cool people. Well, I've used up more time than I was allowed to write this, so I'd better sign off now. John From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Tue May 7 14:38:30 1996 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:38:30 GMT Subject: HW: newbie Message-ID: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion L,BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU,Internet writes: Thanks Hawkwind fans! I was out of town last week and visited a record store where, out of curiosity, I purchased an old Masters of the Universe on vinyl. It's just a compilation, but I am suitably impressed. I want more! They also had a clean copy of Warrior at the Edge of Time in the used vinyl bin. Should I make the effort to get it? Sure it's a classic one!!! Olivier From epresley at IU.NET Tue May 7 12:58:46 1996 From: epresley at IU.NET (Eddie W. Presley Jr.) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:58:46 -0400 Subject: Eric and Buck on AOL Message-ID: Steve wrote: >That's already a done deal. Eric has said things to the effect that >we aren't real fans over here, and he has named the AOL folder as the >"sanctioned" home of BOC online fandom. We've lost a few subscribers >to AOL, who didn't like to hear the criticisms that have been made >here of BOC. But only a few... That's fine if you are an AOL fan... but I wont support AOL with their criminal hourly rate just to be a 'real' BOC fan... I feel he would be a valuable presence on the BOC-L, but he has told me not to listen to Al and Deb as they spread lies and that he wished Deb in particular would just refrain from attacking them at every turn... this was like a year ago... Having been here for awhile, I don't really see what Eric is talking about. You'd think from what he said that Al and Deb ruled the BOC posts with an iron hand while they held court every mailing. I think Eric might not feel comfortable posting here knowing Al could promptly and directly refute/talk back to him. Actually it sounds like a bad soap opera. I think it would also behoove Eric/Buck and Al to provide their own version of the faq or at least provide a personally annotated copy. Its not often an artist gets to be this 'hands on' with their fans and be able to provide them correct and current information. Look at Kiss... (you don't have to listen to 'em... though talk about collectable...) they are making sure their current press releases and soundbytes let everyone know they are keeping in touch with the fans and they are dedicated this new tour/and the past convention tour to giving them exactly what they want... I think they will benefit for it. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue May 7 14:06:43 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:06:43 EST Subject: off:Cactus Message-ID: John complains: > >Right, and before that Vanilla Fudge. Or how 'bout the greatest: > >Beck Bogert and Appice? Bogert's the best. Anyone know what he's up > >to these days? > > Well, the last two sightings I had of him were an ad in _Guitar Player_ > for the Ben Schultz Band and an instructional video _Rock Bass Step One_. > Apparently he joined the Ben Schultz Band after most of the album was > already recorded as he's only on about three of the cuts. > > I'm very upset about the video as I think it is very misleadingly packaged. > It is *not* step one at all. Yeah, yeah, it would be a waste of Tim's time > to really do a true beginner's video but why call it such if it isn't? > He shows you a few riffs (you can learn "Stand By Me" and "My Girl" from > the tape) but he never really explains why. The box promises the tape will > teach you how to play in a band. Well, Tim does say, "Be sure to lock in > with the drummer" but the instruction ends there. Don't you think a > beginner could use some advice on *how* to lock in with the drummer? Maybe > just a definition of "lock in"? The video does make use of split screen: > you get a close up of the left hand and a close up of the right hand while > the music is displayed in tab along the bottom of the screen. But don't > you think somebody at step one is entitled to an explanation of what tab is > and how to read it? But the thing that bothers me the most is Tim is > playing a six string bass. He points this out early one and promises to > only play the inner four strings, but a beginner does not need the visual > distraction. Are we supposed to believe Tim Bogert no longer owns a four > string bass? That he couldn't have borrowed one for the video? That's > just poor teaching. Worse, it's laziness. > > I'm a big Bogert fan (anybody else own the Pipedream album?) and I'll be > able to get some stuff from the tape, but he should be ashamed of that > video. > > John McIntyre > Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept > Michigan State University > mcintyre at pa.msu.edu JOhn, Is the Ben Schultz project recent? I take it he's split from the Barefoot Servants? Too bad, as I saw them just as the album was released, and they were excellent. Great bass on that project too, courtesy of Lee Sklar. What is Pipedream? When? Still available? I agree that Tim should have been more conscious about the video, though I haven't seen it. Part of the problem may lie in that, for a guy who's been playing 30 years, he's forgotten what it was like to be a beginner. Stuff that he takes for granted may be confusing to someone else. I understand he's [was?] an instructor at BIT. Is that still happening? I also would've like seeing his classic custom Fender Bass from the old days, rather than a new 6-stringer, but that's pure aesthetics. I have no objection to 5 and 6 string basses, but if you wanna be a gtr player, then go out and get one! Most of my favorite bassists play 4 strings, it seems. What about Tony Franklin? Does he occasionally use a 5? I really dig his fretless work, too! theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue May 7 13:23:49 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:23:49 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: <9605061922.AA21382@zeal> from "ross.reyes" at May 6, 96 03:22:30 pm Message-ID: ross.reyes writes: > > Does anyone know what the sales figures were vis a vis the other > BOC albums? I would think it didn't do too badly on sales. Though > it may not have rung the bell for the fans looking for the old BOC > metal, death n monsters formula, it probably appealed to a wider > audience. My guess is that people with varied musical interests > liked it. Those closed minded and heavy metal oriented hated it. > Others somewhere in between. > > I think it would have done well if realesed post spectres or agents. It > followed the style of those better. Ross, WHAT were you smoking when you wrote this post? Steve swann at panix.com From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue May 7 18:31:35 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:31:35 BST Subject: HW: must be spring Message-ID: > > Well after an abyssmal MSc exam this morning, things are looking up. Hwind > play Ipswich, Young Gods play London in July (anyone know where the Garage > venue is?), and a BOC tab book. Anyway - The Garage is (if I remember rightly) in Highbury Corner, opposite Highbury station and about a mile from Angel. I've roadied for a couple of bands who have played there and saw the Jesus Lizard there a year or so ago. It's possibly my favourite small-ish venue in London. bye - Rob From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue May 7 18:38:18 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:38:18 BST Subject: HW: must be spring Message-ID: > > Where are the HW British shows in relation to London and/ or major airports. > Gettin the passport in order:-) > regards, > Bill Stewart > Guildford is quite near Gatwick airport and is within 45 mins of London by train. I've got my fingers crossed that I'll be able to make at least at least one of the gigs myself, but I'm supposed to be going to Turkey that week. What a bummer!!! bye - Rob From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue May 7 19:25:22 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:25:22 BST Subject: HW: HW in Record Collector In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Tue, 7 May 1996 13:43:36 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > What/Who tops HW as collectable artists? > > > > Here's the top 40 or so - but bear in mind that this is a British poll > > so US bands will tend not to get a look in > > What? Motorhead isn't on the highly collectable list? > Or did you just not reach them yet :) > no.206 I'm afraid - down from 134 last year 8-( jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue May 7 14:40:35 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:40:35 -0400 Subject: HW: HW in Record Collector Message-ID: So we've heard a lot about this list. Who determines the order of collectibility, readers votes? the editorial staff? an esoteric calculation based on number of albums/popularity/boots? Just interested Martyn From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue May 7 15:52:27 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 15:52:27 -0400 Subject: Not Trashing Eric- Honest!!! In-Reply-To: <199605070612.XAA11728@desiree.teleport.com> from "Steve" at May 6, 96 11:19:38 pm Message-ID: Steve writes: > > >No wonder Eric & Buck don't want to join us over here; some you are always > >trashing them...Club Ninja was great for that point in time, and > >Buck's Boogie is the most distiguishablly beautiful, fast, jazzy and rock- > >in' instrumental ever written. > > I'm not sure Club Ninja was great, but it was certainly better than > "Winger"- remember that moron? He's probably leading the band in a gay > dinner theatre right now. One of the funniest things I ever read on alt.rock-n-roll was when some guy referred to him as: Kip "if I can't play my bass, at least I can dance with it" Winger If you missed MTV's big-hair band reign of terror in the 80's, you might not see why that joke was so funny. > Actually- having put the old thing on the turntable and given it another > listen after this back and forth, it seems to me that what I really hate > about Club Ninja is not the songs- it's the production! > > Any thoughts on that? I worked in a studio as an engineer and I've played > in bands and I think I can say without serious contradiction that poor > production can ruin a good song as sure as a poorly placed turd can spoil a > punchbowl. > Club Ninja has that goddamn Bob Rock/Rupert Hine way too crisp let's all be > frigid-digital sound to it. It's like a dentist's drill in my ears. This > is why I like Led Zeppelin and the Smashing Pumpkins, but threw away my > 80's heavy metal records (actually I gave them away to some High Fivin' > Mothers)- the production techniques popular in the 80's threw thebaby out > with the bathwater trying to make everything sound like a CD. > Neil Young can tell you why it didn't work in the last ish of Mondo 2000- > for anyone who can find that. The 80's were a pretty bad period for rock music in general, I think (despite the fact that they got off to an absolutely ripping start, with albums like Blizzard of Oz, Heaven and Hell, Fire of Unknown Origin, Blackout, Number of the Beast, Screaming for Vengeance, Back In Black, etc etc etc). Somehow, that degenerated into a big-hair teeny-bopper metal fest that lasted until the end of the decade. The reason I welcomed bands like Nirvana and Alice In Chains was that their appearance blew away the garbage that had been accumulating over the previous 7 or 8 years. Granted, now it's left us with just a different smelling kind of garbage, as bands like Bush some to lick Nirvana's plate, as sure as Winger followed AC/DC. And yes, the cheese-metal production is probably the biggest reason that I can't listen to Club Ninja. I might give some (not many) of those songs another listen if they were reproduced in more reasonable style, one that doesn't make me feel like I'm listening to "Pour Some Sugar On Me". Steve From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Tue May 7 16:13:03 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 21:13:03 +0100 Subject: "True BOC fans" are on BOC-L In-Reply-To: <9605071412.AA21725@zeal> Message-ID: Reply to ross.reyes about "True BOC fans" are on BOC-L >> Just that the BOC-L folks are more willing to express >> controversial opinions. >The profile I see on BOC-L is more weighted to pro-AL/Deb fans. >It doesn't appear to me to give balanced treatment on very many >many issues. They (AOL) should come over broaden the discussion. Just a thought about this thread. This is just MY perception of things from what I've read since joining the list a short time ago. BOC-L has Al and Deb. Therefore it has more info on their side of things. AOL has Eric and Buck. Therefore it has more info on their side of things. Different people can perceive the same events slightly differently but the other people on the list would maybe tend to side with the people they have contact with and whose version they know the most about. I don't have access to AOL (as far as I know) but I would assume that Eric/Buck believe that they were in the right and post from that point of view. Al/Deb believe and do the same. MY info comes from BOC-L and so I would tend to side with Al/Deb. IMHO I think that no matter how hard they two parties tried to stay civil on the same list. It couldn't last. And I would assume that neither party would wish and on going public fight. As I say. This is just my uneducated thoughts. By the way. Can anybody tell me if you can order TBS albums in the Uk in any way. I'd be interest in hearing them as until I joined the list I didn't know they even existed. E-mail me privatly if this is general knowledge or has been covered and I missed it. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue May 7 16:30:09 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:30:09 -0400 Subject: Eric and Buck on AOL Message-ID: Regarding Eric/Buck and/or Al to provide their "own version" of the FAQ: Since Albert is a member of BOC-L, both he and Deborah have had direct access to the FAQ (on earlier versions, I e-mailed them to everyone on BOC-L), and both have specifically provided me input on various parts. I have at times asked them specific questions, and they have provided me answers, where appropriate - in some cases, I pried into issues that were really none of my (or any of our) business, and I was (politely) told so -- in particular, the details (beyond what is in the FAQ) of Albert leaving, and various differences of opinion between bandmembers is beyond what we fans need to know --> and, since the FAQ is really supposed to be for fans, it was never my intention to stir up controversy between anyone in the FAQ - of course, there IS controversy, and I did feel the need to address it somewhat, but I specifically tried to not "take sides" on controversial stuff. Albert himself told me when I started this that he would give me info, but that I should remember that it was HIS side of the story, and not necessarily the complete story - which, as I have said in the past, is one reason that I greatly respect his input. As for Buck and Eric, they both have provided me some bits of info, as an earlier version of the FAQ was forwarded to them. Some info specifically concerned with Eric was incorrect, and he provided me some clarification, and Buck provided me with a few tidbits of info -- neither has discussed anything controversial with me. Finally, an earlier version of the FAQ was discussed with Bolle over the course of several hours on the phone (we split it up into several sessions), and while even Bolle may not know everything about everything, he probably knows more than anyone other than the bandmembers themselves -- he helped me tremendously to get my facts straight, as well as how to more objectively present some of the more controversial areas. He has basically approved of the FAQ. So, as far as I'm concerned, I've gotten approval on the FAQ from both Bolle, as well as Albert and Deborah. In addition, Eric and Buck have also had the opportunity to provide any input they want. I've said it before and I'll say it again -- this FAQ is for BOC fans, and if there's stuff in there that's incomplete or incorrect, I will fix it if someone will point it out to me. I would love to get an "endorsement" from the band, and I've encouraged people who I've known to be on AOL to mention it there, not to mention I encourage anyone with a BOC web page to link up to it. But, to this point some people know of it and some don't - even on BOC-L, many questions which are answered in the FAQ get asked here. John From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue May 7 11:42:34 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:42:34 +0100 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: Carl wrote: > Iommi seems to get on OK with Rob Halford--they're working on > a new project together. This set me thinking, it'd be the basis of a great metal supergroup. So how about Iommi on rhythm and the odd lead, Rob Halford on vocals and inappropriate screaming, Lemmy on bass, Ian Paice on drums and Uli Jon Roth on lead guitar. I'm not sure about Uli - after all the others are all Brits whereas he merely lives here (Tunbridge Wells apparently, can't believe it! One of the most conservative, staid bits of Britain and it's the place heavy metal guitarists go when they retire :-) Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue May 7 11:49:36 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:49:36 +0100 Subject: Not Trashing Eric- Honest!!! Message-ID: > > I'm not sure Club Ninja was great, but it was certainly better than > > "Winger"- remember that moron? He's probably leading the band in a gay > > dinner theatre right now. > > Oohh! "Winger & the Magi-tones". Will he have pink upholstered > amps? The Murf & the Magi-tones scene from _The Blues Brothers_ is > one of my all-time favorite images of the bottom of the heap :) I quite like the first Winger album - and Reb Beach is quite a good guitarist (in a pretty sort of way) despite having a stupid name. Whilst it may be true that they deserve to be doing three 45 minute sets a night covering popular show tunes at the *Startlight Rooms Dance 'n' Grill* it's far more likely that BOC will end up there ... hmmm they could adapt a few of their own songs *Don't Fear the Bearnaise*, *Pay Me 262*, *Bucks Burger*..... Chris From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue May 7 21:59:35 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 21:59:35 BST Subject: Dear BOC fans Message-ID: I've just got a little favour to ask. I'm not that interested in reading about BOC stuff, but I seem to be getting more & more mail on BOC matters. I wondered if you wouldn't mind using the subject headers BOC/BS/etc a bit more often so that it can be sorted out from the HW stuff. thanks - Rob From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue May 7 17:15:58 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:15:58 -0400 Subject: HW: Test Message-ID: Hello Hawkfriends, I have had alot of problems with my mail server the last three days, and I have not been able to recieve or send any mail. If anyone here has tried to send me private mail in the last few days, could you resend please? I think it is sorted out now. Thanks. Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 7 17:27:55 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 22:27:55 +0100 Subject: HW: was The Blood of Man In-Reply-To: <199605071517.LAA25931@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at May 7, 96 11:17:55 am Message-ID: As we drift into wildly non-PC territory ... ;) > > > > wasn't connected with HW's presence. Thus 'off-topic' to this list > > > > (as much as anything else we discuss, anyway ;) > > > > > > You mean, like the fishnet-clad dancer in the suspended cage? And all > > > the gothlings and rubber/leather fetishists crowding the place? It > > > *did* seem kind of un-Hawkwind-ish if you stopped to think about it... > > > > Absolutely. This is Hawkwind, so the dancer should have ditched > > the fishnet and been on-stage during the show rather than above the > > audience in the break ;) > > That would have been much more appropriate and authentic ;) > > I don't think her breasts were big enough to be really authentic. ;-) No, but the band is smaller these days too ;) Considering the prevelance of sequencers perhaps ol' Bob's malfunctioning android should have been the dancer? Nah, why compund the problems ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 7 17:43:55 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 22:43:55 +0100 Subject: HW: newbie In-Reply-To: <3D9F8FB162D@mordor.ehnr.state.nc.us> from "Brent C. McDonald" at May 7, 96 11:41:03 am Message-ID: > Thanks Hawkwind fans! I was out of town last week and visited a record > store where, out of curiosity, I purchased an old Masters of the > Universe on vinyl. It's just a compilation, but I am suitably > impressed. I want more! They also had a clean copy of Warrior at the > Edge of Time in the used vinyl bin. Should I make the effort to get it? What are they asking and does it have the fold-out cover? It's definitely worth it for the cover! The albums is good too ;) Even the rather silly Moorcock poetry ;) Do you mean the _MotU_ compilation with the ominous looking dude in the cloak on the front? That's the good one. It's been superseded by the CD remasters now, but is still a good collection of tunes. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue May 7 17:48:54 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:48:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: Not Trashing Eric- Honest!!! Message-ID: Steve said: >The 80's were a pretty bad period for rock music in general, I think >(despite the fact that they got off to an absolutely ripping start, >with albums like Blizzard of Oz, Heaven and Hell, Fire of Unknown >Origin, Blackout, Number of the Beast, Screaming for Vengeance, Back >In Black, etc etc etc). Somehow, that degenerated into a big-hair >teeny-bopper metal fest that lasted until the end of the decade. But in the later '80s we got (arguably better) albums like Master of Puppets, Reign in Blood, Among the Living, Danzig, Masters of Reality, Operation: Mindcrime... OK, Queensryche may be a bit dodgy, but I wouldn't call any of the others "big-hair teeny-bopper"! So I'd maintain that the good stuff was there, although maybe the LA sleaze bands like Poison, and the unspeakable Ratt and their ilk, dominated the airwaves, especially in America. Personally I blame Kiss. Mind you, all I know about Winger is they're on Stuart's T-shirt. :) - Andy ObCD: Mick Farren's Tijuana Bible - _Gringo Madness_ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 7 17:50:04 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 22:50:04 +0100 Subject: "True BOC fans" are on BOC-L In-Reply-To: <9605071412.AA21725@zeal> from "ross.reyes" at May 7, 96 10:12:43 am Message-ID: > > Just that the BOC-L folks are more willing to express > > controversial opinions. > > The profile I see on BOC-L is more weighted to pro-AL/Deb fans. > It doesn't appear to me to give balanced treatment on very many > many issues. They (AOL) should come over broaden the discussion. I would agree, though it's hardly surprising since we get a lot of info from Al and Deb. We're actually a potentially more universal group, since AOLers can (and do, obviously) get here while many of us can't get there. Also, tBS have been dishing us out some pretty decent new which give a natural bias in favor. If BOC were actually _doing_ something worth speaking of, there'd probably more positive things to say. But we can only discuss the meaning of Reaper so many times ;) Before Al and Deb dropped on there was a "Why is there no BOC discussion?" frenzy about every other minute. If they've brought a bias, at least they've brought a _topic_. They certainly livened up the BOC related discussion immensely. They've even tolerated all that annoying HW discussion ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue May 7 18:02:40 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 00:02:40 +0200 Subject: BOC: Not Trashing Eric- Honest!!! Message-ID: Andy writes; >But in the later '80s we got (arguably better) albums like Master of Puppets, >Reign in Blood, Among the Living, Danzig, Masters of Reality ...and in the early '90s we got (MoR singer Chris Goss produced) Kyuss!!!!!! The heaviest band ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -Daniel - "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue May 7 19:15:23 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:15:23 EST Subject: off:80s hair farmers Message-ID: Andy opines: > >The 80's were a pretty bad period for rock music in general, I think > >(despite the fact that they got off to an absolutely ripping start, > >with albums like Blizzard of Oz, Heaven and Hell, Fire of Unknown > >Origin, Blackout, Number of the Beast, Screaming for Vengeance, Back > >In Black, etc etc etc). Somehow, that degenerated into a big-hair > >teeny-bopper metal fest that lasted until the end of the decade. > > But in the later '80s we got (arguably better) albums like Master of Puppets, > Reign in Blood, Among the Living, Danzig, Masters of Reality, Operation: Allright! How'd you ever get to hear the Masters on the other side of the lake? They're from my hometown, so I got to see them in bars, and then make it semi-big. My wife went to high school with Chris Goss. Excellent group, though I believe they're in sort of suspended animation, sadly. And, of course since Tim left, he took a mighty big slice of gtr playing with im. BTW, he has a new indie solo album out. > Mindcrime... OK, Queensryche may be a bit dodgy, but I wouldn't call any of > the others "big-hair teeny-bopper"! So I'd maintain that the good stuff was > there, although maybe the LA sleaze bands like Poison, and the unspeakable > Ratt and their ilk, dominated the airwaves, especially in America. > Personally I blame Kiss. > Kiss planted the virus, but, sadly, Van Halen turned it into a pandemic, which, given Ed's monumental talents, is a crying shame. If they'd only fired Dave BEFORE they made it big and gotten a real lyricist...who knows, but, although I like a lot about him, it appears they've rpeated the mistake with Sammy. I guess we shouldn't expect Ed to play BOC songs, if he's happy being a giant party band theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue May 7 19:29:37 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:29:37 EST Subject: off:Kyuss Message-ID: Daniel responds to Andy: > Andy writes; > >But in the later '80s we got (arguably better) albums like Master of= > Puppets, > >Reign in Blood, Among the Living, Danzig, Masters of Reality > > ...and in the early '90s we got (MoR singer Chris Goss produced) = > Kyuss!!!!!! > The heaviest band ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > -Daniel > If they'd only play an occasional lead, they'd really be something! theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue May 7 18:44:13 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:44:13 -0600 Subject: Not Trashing Eric- Honest!!! In-Reply-To: <199605070612.XAA11728@desiree.teleport.com> Message-ID: Steve; Regarding Winger; he now lives not too far from here in Santa Fe, NM and teaches a music business class, ballet (gasp!) and runs a local studio. Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue May 7 17:47:52 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 08:47:52 +1100 Subject: HW: June gig dates & venues Message-ID: Hi All, I just had a request for info on the gig dates mentioned in the last few days. Being geographically challenged, I didn't keep the posts! Could some kind soul mention them again, or mail this dude (nico ) directly? Thanks, Paul/soniqu? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue May 7 18:51:33 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:51:33 -0600 Subject: Satriani & Buck In-Reply-To: <199605070720.AAA16627@primenet.com> Message-ID: Gumby Man; Your point is well taken regarding Satriani. However, Satriani's career really began to take off when Buck helped him out with the Imaginos thing, And Satriani has cited Buck as an influence and as a very professional musicain. But really, can you compare Satriani's style with Buck's? They are both extremely talented guitar players, but not really along the same styles, wouldn"t you say? Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue May 7 19:02:48 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:02:48 -0600 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: <87029D75C65@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: Theo, Yes; I did mean to address you. My apologies... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 8 00:14:37 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 00:14:37 BST Subject: HW: HW in Record Collector In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Tue, 7 May 1996 14:40:35 -0400 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > So we've heard a lot about this list. Who determines > the order of collectibility, readers votes? the editorial staff? > an esoteric calculation based on number of albums/popularity/boots? > It's a poll of readers of Record Collector. I'm not sure how many readers there are but I would guess the number is fairly considerable since they were offering prizes this year amounting to 3,000 pounds worth of CDs/LP (500 pounds for 1st prize). Nor can I find anywhere it says the number who actually voted but, again, my guess is that it's a respectably sized base to work from. It is emphatically, though, a poll of *collectors* rather than straight popularity - and British collectors at that so it'll be baissed in all sorts of strange ways! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dzeiger at NETCOM.COM Tue May 7 19:22:48 1996 From: dzeiger at NETCOM.COM (David Zeiger) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:22:48 -0700 Subject: Not Trashing Eric- Honest!!! In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at May 7, 96 02:34:33 pm Message-ID: > Mind you I think the sound on _CC_ is less than top-notch > (the delay/reverb on the guitar is often very uneven and unnatural > sounding--listen to the beginning of ETI) Hmmm, I thought the intro to ETI was one of the best things on the album. Isn't the intro to a song called "Extraterrestrial Intellegence" supposed to sound unnatural? :-) -- David Zeiger dzeiger at netcom.com Windows 95: The Dracula of Operating Systems--it sucks up all your memory, bleeds your hard drive dry, and only works an average of 12 hours out of every 24. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue May 7 20:21:45 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:21:45 EST Subject: Satriani & Buck Message-ID: Manuel observes: > Gumby Man; > > Your point is well taken regarding Satriani. However, Satriani's career > really began to take off when Buck helped him out with the Imaginos thing, > And Satriani has cited Buck as an influence and as a very professional > musicain. > I thought Al had already gotten the Guitar Army of Imaginos together before the BOC got involved with the project? > But really, can you compare Satriani's style with Buck's? They are both > extremely talented guitar players, but not really along the same styles, > wouldn"t you say? > > Manuel > I've said it here a hundred times, so now I'll start on the second hundred: Satriani, Vai an yes [although I actually like him and hate to say it] Gary Hoey and throw in that obnoxious little wanker Yngwie [sp.?] are not musicians, they are olympic athletes. They, and their fans are obsessed with the speed with which they play, and, seemingly, little else. None of those guys will ever write SONGS. They write fance guitar licks. Never expect a haunting ballad like Reaper from any of those dudes. Can they play guitar well? Undeniably. They could all smoke BD at a jam session. So what? Until any of them write a complete song with great lyrics, a concept, whatever, they just don't belong with an artist like Buck. How come none of you shred heads ever mention the only guy of that ilk who is a complete musician: Steve Stevens. He can shred with the best of them, but he knows how to make SONGS. Compare 'Atomic Playboys' with anything Vai et al have done. STeve's got the studio acumen and the monster chops. And he knows what NOT to play, a concept most of those post-big hair guys never grasp. And please, any discussion of Vai or Satch can't escape those dreadful lyrics. Both those dudes should take their mentor Zappa's advice: shut up and play yer guitar! theo From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 8 00:25:50 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 00:25:50 BST Subject: HW: newbie In-Reply-To: Brent C. McDonald's message of Tue, 7 May 1996 11:41:03 EST Message-ID: Brent C. McDonald writes: > Thanks Hawkwind fans! I was out of town last week and visited a record > store where, out of curiosity, I purchased an old Masters of the > Universe on vinyl. It's just a compilation, but I am suitably > impressed. I want more! They also had a clean copy of Warrior at the > Edge of Time in the used vinyl bin. Should I make the effort to get it? Definitely - this is one of the 'must haves' of any Hawkwind collection. There's a different version of "Kings of Speed" on the Griffin CD which matches better with the album (the original track jars a bit in style and speed with the rest) but don't let that put you off. This album is the classic 1974 lineup which had already moved a long way from their original Space Rock sound. The Hawkwind that might have been had Lemmy stayed? Who knows. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 8 00:42:17 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 00:42:17 BST Subject: HW: must be spring In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Tue, 7 May 1996 12:45:08 -0400 Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > Where are the HW British shows in relation to London and/ or major airports. > Gettin the passport in order:-) It's actually a wierd conjunction of venues. If you take London as a central point then Guildford is around 30 odd miles to the SW: Brentwood is about 20 miles to the NE and Ipswich is about 70 miles to the NE (at the bottom of the bulgy bit of England's E coast - just above London). There *is* an airport at Ipswich but it's not a major one. I'm afraid that flying to London and buying some expensive train tickets might be the only answer. jill (rapidly re-learning her geography of England!) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue May 7 20:59:34 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:59:34 -0400 Subject: HW: HW in Record Collector Message-ID: Thanks for the list, Jill-- it's fascinating. If only to so graphically illustrate the diffs btw. English obsessions and American ones. Does anyone want to take bets on Oasis being as collectable for as long as some of the other Toppers? Does anyone want to guess what an American version would look like? Or has Goldmine ever run a list like this and made the guessing unnecessary? Anyone know? From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Tue May 7 22:07:05 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:07:05 -0700 Subject: Mega-Heavy bands Message-ID: >Andy writes; >>But in the later '80s we got (arguably better) albums like Master of Puppets, >>Reign in Blood, Among the Living, Danzig, Masters of Reality > >...and in the early '90s we got (MoR singer Chris Goss produced) Kyuss!!!!!! >The heaviest band ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > -Daniel My favorite has got to be PileDriver. After I heard that (I still don't know if it was a joke band or for real) I gave up on spastic speed metal. Steve P "As long as someone wields the whip, someone else will want to kiss it." -G. Gordon Gordon From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Tue May 7 22:38:59 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:38:59 -0700 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: At 02:24 PM 5/7/96 +0100, you wrote: >> My favorite (or least favorite) BOC clunker? Its HAS to be "The Marshall >> Plan".. a hokier song was never done, IMO. > > Hokey indeed! I always looked at it that way, but since being >forced to listen to it off of _WotT_, I've developed a sort of liking >for it. A very tongue-in-cheek sort of liking--I'm a semi-aspiring >musician, after all :) > > (semi-aspiring is several steps below semi-professional :) I think one problem I have with it is that it always reminds me (lyricly anyway) of another similar song by (Journey? no, Foreigner..) "And that one guitar.. Felt good in his hands.." Oh how that screeching, whiney voice grates on my nerves.. which I hate even more than "The Marshall Plan". _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Tue May 7 22:49:27 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:49:27 -0700 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: At 03:36 PM 5/7/96 +0100, you wrote: >> > My favorite (or least favorite) BOC clunker? Its HAS to be "The Marshall >> > Plan".. a hokier song was never done, IMO. > >Although possibly slightly out of synch with the general theme/feel of >CE, I always really liked this song. It's quite intelligent: makes a >comment on the music biz, why boys want to be rock stars (to get girls), >has some humour (guitarist trying to play the 'Smoke on the Water' riff). >Why is that hokey? (whatever hokey means) Can you say, Cliche'? I just find the lyrics incredibly pretentious and ... well, corney. I don't know how else to say it. It does have a few good riffs in it but thats not enough to save it in my eyes (ears). > >I also can't quite understand why CN gets such a total panning. OK, it's >not as consistent as some other albums and the cover art sucks big time. >But it does have some gems on it. Actually, its funny how everyone pans >it yet everybody has tracks they really like... I don't. The only ones I would even bother listening to are "Perfect Water" (which has grown on me a bit since hearing it on WOTT) and "Dancin'.." Keep in mind that I am old, opinionated, jaded and incredibly picky on things like this... :) I constantly piss off all my friends for 'panning' their favorite music and hating almost everything thats currently popular. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue May 7 21:57:28 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:57:28 +1100 Subject: Trash Talk??? Message-ID: On 7 May 96 Andrew A. Apold wrote about Re: Trash Talk???: > >> And _no_one_ on the BOC side has gotten the thrashing that > >> Hawkwind's manager Doug Smith reguarly garners! :) > > I am sorry to report that R.O.D.S. (Rub Out Doug Smith) has only met > 60% of it's fundraising goals. This was after the projected costs were > revised to somewhere around eight times what was previously expected. Part > of the blame goes to Sonique, as instead of merely hiring a conventional > assassin, he's forced > us to use all proceeds to date in expensive research on sonic weapons. Go on .... .blame the poor defenceless geographically challenged Aussie Hawkling ... ;^) Paul/Soniqu? (lurking off again) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Tue May 7 23:30:46 1996 From: tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Tox) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:30:46 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: <199605080249.TAA10072@nic.cerf.net> Message-ID: The toxic boy feels compelled to leap into the miasma and ask: Now that we've established that the vast majority of BOC-Lers hate Club Ninja and everything it stands for, might I inquire whether anyone would like to sell or trade a copy of CN (ideally CD or else cassette)? My Reasons: 1) It's out of print. 2) I'm a BOC freak and would at least like to own it for completion's sake. 3) I am rather fond of Dancin..., Perfect Water and White Flags (to a lesser degree). Madness... has its redeeming virtues, and I've found that Beat 'Em Up can be highly enjoyable if you just avoid taking it seriously (i.e. just let go and feel the thunder). I concede that Make Rock Not War blows, and that Shadow Warrior and Spy in the House of the Night kind of meander without any useful point or emphasis. Nonetheless, they serve to demonstrate that substandard BOC is still better than most music today. That said, my own choice for Lamest Ever has to go to RBN, but for reasons of personal choice. CN is a rock album; it's just a bad rock album. RBN is dedicated to an 80's pop-ish style that I have no liking for whatsoever. Take Me Away is worth the price of a used CD just by itself, but the remainder of the album, even though it may technically be "excellent standard-cut '80s pop", is still never going to sustain my interest. och, vell, -tox From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed May 8 00:17:23 1996 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 00:17:23 -0400 Subject: BOC: Where on AOL? Message-ID: I'm one of those unfortunate souls who is paying the high hourly rates to be on AOL, so I should at least take advantage of BOC's presence here...unfortunately, I have no idea how to find that board! (AOL's like a maze, sometimes...) Can anybody help me out? Thanks! SET From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Wed May 8 00:19:38 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:19:38 -0500 Subject: HW: hawk rip off In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i just saw on a taco bell kids meal bag a description of the characters from this fantasy cartoon show. one of which, the hero is a guy named HAWK WINDWALKER - coincidence? -i think not. i'm interested in seing what this show is all about. - mike psyche From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed May 8 17:31:53 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:31:53 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind Feedback In-Reply-To: <9604041205.A14849@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com>; from "cjohnson" at Apr 5, 96 12:05:21 pm Message-ID: Hi just received my copies of HF24,25 and noticed that there are a couple of photos of the "legendary Doug SNiff". So have a peek, and if anyone spots this idiot at a show give him some stick!. I was quite impressed with the Alien show review,the helmet Ron wears does look a bit mickey mouse though. The only bad thing I would comment on is Brian Tawn's comments on how dodgy doug ,has really looked after the band,I think the list begs to differ here. regards Marty From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Wed May 8 03:09:09 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 03:09:09 -0400 Subject: BOC: Where on AOL? Message-ID: Steven: >I'm one of those unfortunate souls who is paying the high hourly >rates to be on AOL, so I should at least take advantage of BOC's >presence here...unfortunately, I have no idea how to find that board! >(AOL's like a maze, sometimes...) Can anybody help me out? As I am one of the "regulars" on the AOL circuit, I'd be happy to pass along some information. You will find the music bulletin boards at Keyword "mmc" (music message center), from there select "rock/pop", then "A-F", and strike "B" until you see "Blue Oyster Cult." You might also want to head down to the SWU folder, which has very recently gained permanent status... =) Buck also has his own folder under "Classic Rock", which you will find in the same window that you found the "A-F" selection. It pertains primarily to the Buckster's exploits, and his wife Sandy & his brother John make regular visits. Sandy is really nice gal. Exchanged some e-mail with her regarding the 'latest' DFTR thread, and posted her a copy of my own angle on the legendary lyrics. She liked what I had to say, and the ongoing discussion I happily began finally resulted in THE FINAL WORD.... (which I will post in parts, following shortly hereafter...) For everyone else on the BOC-L listening in, Buck has hinted that he has just a little bit more tinkering to go, before he has the goods ready in his home studio. Hope it leads or follows the new LP closely. "Flat Out - Part II" wouldn't be such a bad thing. 'Summa Cum Laude' has been rumored to be on the short list... =) The BOC BBQ is now less than three weeks away! The Gathering of the faithful (hey Manuel!) to partake of the BOC beers is ready to go! I'll be down early to set up, and we hope to have a "virtual picnic" for all those who can't make it out West, where it truly is nice this time of year... That just about covers the AOL portion of tonight's program. I suppose it's time I 'de-lurk' and throw my tinder on the fire... (P.S.: I like 'Eponymous'... =) "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Wed May 8 03:09:12 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 03:09:12 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: To all the Non-Ninja folk: >The toxic boy feels compelled to leap into the miasma and ask: >Now that we've established that the vast majority of BOC-Lers >hate Club Ninja and everything it stands for, might I inquire >whether anyone would like to sell or trade a copy of CN >(ideally CD or else cassette)? My Reasons: >1) It's out of print. >2) I'm a BOC freak and would at least like to own it for completion's sake. I must chime in with the Toxic Thespian (by the way Tox, when can we expect Part II?) with a wish to purchase a CD copy of the dreaded Club Ninja. I have tried, via Goldmine & more mundane methods, to acquire a copy, to no avail... I can always be reached at the eddresses below... "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Wed May 8 03:09:28 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 03:09:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: DFTR Part #1... Message-ID: Responded to a rather obtuse post on AOL recently, regarding the "meaning" of the legendary '(Don't Fear) the Reaper'. This is Part One, and the subsequent sections are VERY conclusive. You'll see... =) The following is my original text: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've always felt that this song had alot more to do with grief & loss than any morbid obsession with death or suicide. If anything, it is positive in it's affirmation that our loved ones do await us in the afterlife, and that it's not such a bad place after all... A woman is dealing with the loss of a loved one, likely a husband or lover, and is despondent. "All our times have come, here but now they're gone", reflects this clearly. In her dreams, she is visited again & again by her lost partner, urging her to let go of her fear of death, and join him on the other side. "Seasons don't fear the reaper, nor the wind, the sun or the rain", and the verse lines sung by Buck "Come on, baby - Baby, take my hand - We'll be able to fly - Baby, I'm your man" show us her recurring dream... The second verse builds on the first verse, adding a second metaphor to support the first. "Valentine is done - Here but now they're gone", shows us again that her memories of the past are weighing her down. "Romeo and Juliet - Are together in eternity" gives us our first positive look at the afterlife, as we all know Romeo & Juliet are quite possibly the world's most famous star-crossed lovers. Joined again in the after- life, this is giving us a glimpse of a tragedy, with a happy ending. "Redefine happiness" takes this thought full circle, forcing us to recon- sider the concept of death, as not an ending, but a beginning... "Came the last night of sadness - And it was clear she couldn't go on" places us with her in her final moments, as she accepts death not as the end, but a transition to another place, where she can finally rejoin her loved one. "Come on, baby - And she ran to him - They looked backward and said goodbye - She had taken his hand" carries her away into the next world, where "She had become like they are"... It's unfortunate that so many people, over the years, have never been able to get over the song's title. Take a step away from the preconceived notions you've been force fed about death & the afterlife, and the interpretation *might* make sense... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just my take on the lyric, and granted, I am but one loyal listener who likes to read into the possible metaphor. Before you tear it to pieces, please read Part #2... =) "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Wed May 8 03:09:15 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 03:09:15 -0400 Subject: OFF: 80s hair farmers Message-ID: Theo: >>>The 80's were a pretty bad period for rock music in general, >>>I think (despite the fact that they got off to an absolutely ripping >>>start, with albums like Blizzard of Oz, Heaven and Hell, Fire of >>>Unknown Origin, Blackout, Number of the Beast, Screaming for >>>Vengeance, Back In Black, etc etc etc). Somehow, that degen- >>>erated into a big-hair teeny-bopper metal fest that lasted until >>>the end of the decade. >>Mindcrime...OK, Queensryche may be a bit dodgy, but I wouldn't >>call any of the others "big-hair teeny-bopper"! So I'd maintain that >>the good stuff was there, although maybe the LA sleaze bands like >>Poison, and the unspeakable Ratt and their ilk, dominated the >>airwaves, especially in America. Personally I blame Kiss. >Kiss planted the virus, but, sadly, Van Halen turned it into a >pandemic, which, given Ed's monumental talents, is a crying >shame. If they'd only fired Dave BEFORE they made it big >and gotten a real lyricist...who knows, but, although I like a >lot about him, it appears they've rpeated the mistake with >Sammy. I guess we shouldn't expect Ed to play BOC >songs, if he's happy being a giant party band I have always, when discussing music with knowledgable friends, maintained that I am waiting for the day that Mr. Van Halen finally locks the doors to 5150, and puts his best thoughts "down digital." Here's an interesting note: I have it on very good authority that the Buckster's favorite contemporary guitarist is - you guessed it - Eddie. Now THAT would be a great album! Buck & Eddie doing duet... "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Wed May 8 03:09:21 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 03:09:21 -0400 Subject: "True BOC fans" are on BOC-L Message-ID: Steve: >They? I'm sure anybody who wanted to could do that. It's not like >you have to pass some kind of admissions test to join BOC-L. Thank goodness... =) >I don't really remember when you signed on to BOC-L, but we had many >years of solid fandom here before the cracks started to show. I mean, >it seems to me that there has been less emphasis lately on what we >like about the band, and considerably more about what racks us - but >maybe that's inevitable, when you talk about the same topic for too >long with nothing new to add. If there had been 3 or 4 new BOC albums >in the interim, we probably wouldn't be discussing what a loser Club >Ninja was. After years of waiting, you are finally going to be rewarded with something new to kick around! =) Eric & Buck let it slip a couple months ago that something was ACTUALLY beginning to rise out of the murk, but only a few of us caught it. We excitedly flung e-mail about, waiting for the REAL news to break. Eric posted the official notice to the BOC board on AOL, and a couple of the folks there made sure it spread quickly. It was here within hours. As it should be... Bolle, of course, knows more than he can let on... =) I, for one, am one of the AOL "regulars", and do my damndest to keep the alt.m.boc moving, but there are only so many hours in a day. And I do sleep now & then. What the AOL crowd lacks in a consistently high level of erudition, they (including me) make up for with unbelievable enthusiasm. Many of us are gathering for the BOC BBQ in Santa Rosa, and a few more will be meeting up in Las Vegas for the June 1st show at Silver Bowl Park. Anyone feel like joining us? The more, the merrier... =) "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Wed May 8 03:09:38 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 03:09:38 -0400 Subject: BOC: DFTR Part #2... Message-ID: And here is the final word: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guess I gotta jump in here, 'Reaper' is specifically about two concepts: 1) A powerful enough romantic LOVE can transcend physical death and endure in the hereafter. 2) Death is inevitable whenever it happens to us, and we should know that and face it without fearing it, having some confidence in the universality of the human spirit, but having no proof until we actually die. I wrote this tune at a time in my life when I was thinking about dying early (in my twenties.) So I'm thinkin', (First Verse) 'I'm dead', now what? So I sing this song to my Love (kiss for Sandy here) sayin' 'looks like it's all over for us, but I'm on the other side now, and that's not the only way it can be'. Turns out that if the love is strong enough, spiritual things are possible that wouldn't make it to CNN or the Congressional Record. There _is_ a way to be reunited on another plane of consciousness. (We can be like they are) could be my fave line in the tune. Implies that there are entities that are doin' stuff WAY different than you and me here on earth, Rusty. (Second Verse) the one that's caused all the trouble all these years: Valentine as metaphor for mortal love/stuff, done now. Romeo and Juliet I used as an _example_ of a couple who had the faith to take their love elsewhere when (in their case) they weren't permitted the freedom to love here and now. What I meant was, THEY'RE in eternity, 'cause they had the Faith to believe in the possibility. It frankly never occured to me that the suicide aspect of their story would be plugged in (like images in a rock video?) to people's take on 'Reaper' making it an advert for suicide. The forty thousand number was pulled from the air as a guess about how many people died every day world wide, not how many people committed suicide. (Third Verse) The idea here is that a critical mass of emotional and mental intensity is necessary to create this event. What if the remaining partner just can't stand being alone? What if by dint of sheer will lovers can reunite again after death? In my vision, the 'permission' of the event has to come from the 'other' side, the afterlife. The event transpires when there is enough faith and belief to make it happen. Not really so different than any other afterlife belief system. It never bothered me that 'Reaper' was embraced as a horror icon ('Halloween' and 'The Stand') or allegedly enjoyed by Gary Gilmore ('Executioner's Song'). It WOULD bother me to know 'Reaper' gave someone an excuse to commit suicide. I never have come anywhere close to REALLY wanting to commit suicide. I'm gonna live until I die. On the other hand when I go, I don't want 'Amazing Grace' as the musical centerpiece at my funeral. I want 'Don't Fear The Reaper'. Buck Dharma >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That about sums it up... =) "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Wed May 8 03:09:46 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 03:09:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: The Tale Of Leadfoot... Message-ID: Once upon a time, there was a quiet man, known to the people of his humble village as Cathcart. He was a private fellow, and never ventured far from the flourescent glow & paved security of his home. Now Cathcart drove to work everyday, like everyone else in the village, and each morning he methodically followed the same brown streets to his modest office. The river & trees would call to him in the early twilight, but he would hunch over the wheel and trudge along, eventually arriving at his destination... Cathcart was a man of simple pleasures, and his undying love was music. Each morning, as he slogged along in the gray snake of automobiles, he would listen to his weathered tapes. Each way, to & from each day, his music was the only constant that kept him moving through the dull paces of his work-a-day life... One day, during the early days of summer, Cathcart found himself broken down by the side of the road on his methodical drive home. He realized, as he fumed silently at his auto, that he was less than a mile from his 3rd floor apartment, so he set to walking home, to call for assistance. As Cathcart walked along the bank of the river, he began to notice how wonderful the breeze felt in his mussed hair, and marveled at the smells wafting past him on the warm afternoon breeze. As he traversed the hedges & shrubs of the mosaic tiled walkway, he noticed an object underneath one of the iron benches that cropped up along the pedestrian concourse, and knelt down to pick it up. A cassette tape? "I wonder what it could be" he mused, as he placed it in his vest pocket and resumed his course among the gardens & stones lining the riverbank... Continuing along the meandering path, less & less concerned with the fate of his dying auto, he followed the river walk on past the turn he would normally take to reach his dark little neighbor- hood, and headed for a bright light that seemed to be only a half mile or so away... As Cathcart walked along the path, eyes gazing forward at the source of the brilliant light, he began to wonder what it could possibly be, casting such penetrating beams, it seemed, right at him. His walk changed to a shuffle, and to a trot, as his curiousity grew. As he approached the bend in the river, he could see that there were two beams, and that they shone eerily around him, casting a strange hue on the flora & fauna along the angling riverbank. They were headlights! The low black auto was unlike anything he had ever seen in his wildest dreams! The panels were painted in a black so deep & dark that they seemed to absorb any light that attempted to draw near. The headlights were elliptical & wide, and flashed as he stepped onto the flat brick mezzanine that overlooked the expansive bend in the river. Momentarily blinded by the unnaturally white burst of light, he did not see the door on the driver's side of the vehicle slide open with a hush. As his vision returned, he could see the door sitting ajar, and walked around towards the passenger side of the car, looking for the license plate under the brilliance of the lights. It read "1277"... Cathcart had lived his entire dreary life as cautiously as he possibly could, and as he slowly circled around behind the car, fear gripped him by the throat. He wanted to run. His heart pounded in his eyes. On the rear panel of the car, he could read small white letters, in a beautiful white script, "Leadfoot". The sun dropped quietly behind trees on the distant bank of the river as Cathcart rounded the driver's side of the car, and peered in to the darkness unfolding around him. The only light within the opening that was the door of the car was a small red blink, and he realized that his as his heart beat a heavy rhythm in his chest, that the little red light was flashing in time with his pulse... His mind screaming at him to run home, home to the safety of his dark little apartment, Cathcart stepped closer to the door. Willing one reluctant step after another, he moved closer to the machine. He could hear a low beat pulsing from within the dark interior, and using every ounce of energy & courage he could muster, he com- pelled himself to step into the doorway and sit in the driver's seat. His eyes ranged along the dash of this enormous black ellipse, and within reach of his right hand, he could see a cassette deck. Curiousity getting the better of his sense of self-preservation, he reached into his vest pocket, and removed the shiny black tape... As he placed the cassette into the player, the huge door swung around, closing soundlessly alongside him. As the long arc of the dash began to glow a odd shade of red, he could feel his eyes begin to burn. The glorious music rose around him, and he marveled at the power coursing through his quaking body. As he lay his hands around the supple leather of the steering wheel and placed his feet firmly on the pedals, he heard a deep, familiar voice speak to him from the darkness that was the back seat... "LET'S GO FOR A DRIVE..." 1277 express to heaven Speeding along like dynamite 1277 express to heaven Rumbles the steel like a dogfight You caught me in its spell Trying to leave but you know darn well The heat from below can burn your eyes out... (dedicated to Charlie & Anita...) "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Wed May 8 04:12:40 1996 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:12:40 +0100 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: Personally I think this (albeit dubious) award should go to The Revolution by Night. I spent ages getting this one, and was I dissapointed? I I I ---- 0 ---- I - I -- From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Wed May 8 04:18:17 1996 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:18:17 +0100 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: >> Come to think of it, Al is the only songwriter I know of who, after >> 25+ years in the biz, hasn't "mellowed" (i.e. starting writing nothing >> but pop ballads). (I haven't heard what Iommi's up to lately, so he >> might be the only other.) >> >The current/ongoing Sabbath material is pretty heavy, though it leans >heavy on the mythology angle. Personally, I don't dislike the Sab >material as much as others do. I think Tony Martin's a great singer, >certainly better than ozzy. > Try Geezer Butlers new band G//Z/R. If anything hes got heavier, more so than any Sabbath stuff, and definitely more than Ozzy. I I I ---- 0 ---- I - I -- From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Wed May 8 09:32:54 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:32:54 BST Subject: OFF: Satriani & Buck Message-ID: theo writes (re Satriani & Vai) :- ' Never expect a haunting ballad like Reaper from any of those dudes. ' theo, before you fly off the handle, & rant n' rave for (who cares how many 100's of times,) have you actually listened to Joe's work ? Sure I agree most of the time he plays damn fast, but he _does_ play ballads. And yes, I think they are pretty haunting. The SONG 'I believe' does not have Zappa-esque lyrics. Neil. From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed May 8 04:51:22 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:51:22 +0100 Subject: HW: must be spring In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 08 May 1996 00:42:17 -0000." <9605080042.ab20272@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: > It's actually a wierd conjunction of venues. If you take London as a > central point then Guildford is around 30 odd miles to the SW: > Brentwood is about 20 miles to the NE and Ipswich is about 70 miles to > the NE (at the bottom of the bulgy bit of England's E coast - just above > London). There *is* an airport at Ipswich but it's not a major one. Airport is well optimistic - more like airstrip. Apart from Cessnas, the largest thing that uses it is the BN Islander from the parachute club. > I'm afraid that flying to London and buying some expensive train tickets > might be the only answer. Cost ya about 25 quid to get out here from London. Tim From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 8 11:14:53 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:14:53 BST Subject: Orgasmatron Message-ID: Does anyone have the dates of te tracks on Orgasmatron handy? From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 8 11:21:00 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:21:00 BST Subject: Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Message-ID: Anyone know when this was really recorded? It was a Bochum gig I believe. FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 8 06:29:11 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:29:11 +0100 Subject: HW: newbie In-Reply-To: <9605080025.aa18259@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at May 8, 96 00:25:50 am Message-ID: > > They also had a clean copy of Warrior at the > > Edge of Time in the used vinyl bin. Should I make the effort to get it? > > Definitely - this is one of the 'must haves' of any Hawkwind collection. > There's a different version of "Kings of Speed" on the Griffin CD > which matches better with the album (the original track jars a bit > in style and speed with the rest) but don't let that put you off. Eh what? Is the Dojo track the same as the original album or the same as the Griffin. I'm not *too* concerned, since I have the original LP as well (gods help me) but still ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 8 06:30:57 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:30:57 +0100 Subject: Not Trashing Eric- Honest!!! In-Reply-To: <199605072322.QAA05454@netcom15.netcom.com> Message-ID: > > Mind you I think the sound on _CC_ is less than top-notch > > (the delay/reverb on the guitar is often very uneven and unnatural > > sounding--listen to the beginning of ETI) > > Hmmm, I thought the intro to ETI was one of the best things on the > album. Isn't the intro to a song called "Extraterrestrial > Intellegence" supposed to sound unnatural? :-) Ah, but the raggedness of the delay on those first chords kills me every time! Plus, any extraterrestrials are naturally occuring phenomena ;) ;) ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 8 06:33:48 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:33:48 +0100 Subject: Not Trashing Eric- Honest!!! In-Reply-To: <199605071952.PAA02939@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at May 7, 96 03:52:27 pm Message-ID: > And yes, the cheese-metal production is probably the biggest reason > that I can't listen to Club Ninja. I might give some (not many) of > those songs another listen if they were reproduced in more reasonable > style, one that doesn't make me feel like I'm listening to "Pour > Some Sugar On Me". What you dare heap abuse on the song from the album of which I had all the 7" singles in high school!? :) Well, there were better songs on that album anyway--at least it wasn't as lame an album as the follow-up, where even my kompleatist nature cracked and rebelled against buying it, so thick and slimy was the cheese :) We all have our embarrassing pasts :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 8 06:52:11 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:52:11 +0100 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: from "Tox" at May 7, 96 11:30:46 pm Message-ID: > Now that we've established that the vast majority of BOC-Lers hate Club > Ninja and everything it stands for, might I inquire whether anyone would > like to sell or trade a copy of CN (ideally CD or else cassette)? My Reasons: > 1) It's out of print. > 2) I'm a BOC freak and would at least like to own it for completion's sake. Good luck, but no from me! My Reasons: 1) It's out of print. 2) I'm a BOC freak and would at least like to own it for completion's sake. And, actually, 3) it's buried deep in crates of CDs at my parents house and would need to be taken from the jungle by crime to become accessible ;) Surely it will show up at Second Coming or Mystery Train eventually? The usually have a random BOC album or two passing through and all things show up there eventually. You could try hunting on the usenet used CD groups as well. Someone there may have it and simply despaired of ever finding someone willing to buy it ;) > 3) I am rather fond of Dancin..., Perfect Water and White Flags (to a > lesser degree). Madness... has its redeeming virtues, and I've found that > Beat 'Em Up can be highly enjoyable if you just avoid taking it seriously > (i.e. just let go and feel the thunder). I concede that Make Rock Not War > blows, and that Shadow Warrior and Spy in the House of the Night kind of > meander without any useful point or emphasis. Nonetheless, they serve to > demonstrate that substandard BOC is still better than most music today. Admitedly, that's probably true, but luckily I haven't _heard_ most music today and certainly haven't bought it. I only get the tasty stuff. I may be guilty of sacriledge by mentioning the last Motorhead album and CN in the same sentence ;) > That said, my own choice for Lamest Ever has to go to RBN, but for > reasons of personal choice. CN is a rock album; it's just a bad rock > album. RBN is dedicated to an 80's pop-ish style that I have no liking > for whatsoever. Take Me Away is worth the price of a used CD just by > itself, but the remainder of the album, even though it may technically be > "excellent standard-cut '80s pop", is still never going to sustain my > interest. "TMA" is extremely cool, but I certainly can't understand the affection some people maintain for "Shooting Shark"! All I need to do is hear the mind-bogglingly cheesy sound of the drums (_are_ they even real drums!?) on the opening and I want to rush out to bury it in an unmarked grave with a stake through the spindle hole! I can let go and feel the thunder with the best of them, but there is simply no thunder to feel elsewhere on RBN! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed May 8 06:54:27 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:54:27 +0100 Subject: off: 80's still rocked was Re: BOC Not Trashing Eric In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 07 May 1996 17:48:54 EDT." <960507174853_486256850@emout14.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: > Steve said: > > >The 80's were a pretty bad period for rock music in general, I think > >(despite the fact that they got off to an absolutely ripping start, > >with albums like Blizzard of Oz, Heaven and Hell, Fire of Unknown > >Origin, Blackout, Number of the Beast, Screaming for Vengeance, Back > >In Black, etc etc etc). Somehow, that degenerated into a big-hair > >teeny-bopper metal fest that lasted until the end of the decade. > > But in the later '80s we got (arguably better) albums like Master of Puppets, > Reign in Blood, Among the Living, Danzig, Masters of Reality, Operation: > Mindcrime... OK, Queensryche may be a bit dodgy, Queensryche may have mellowed but Op. Mindcrime isn't hair-metal or whatever in any shape or form. Worthwhile album mentions must extend to 'Peace Sells...', 'Powerslave', 'The Dark', 'Act III'... Plenty of decent bands sprang up - and subsequently faded, such as Flotsam & Jetsam, Fates Warning, Sabbat (well, ish) , Living Colour. I dunno, maybe because '84-'86 was the period I first started to listen to music in earnest, the eighties seemed brimming with potential. Guess it takes a few years for the rot of boredom to set in :-) > but I wouldn't call any of > the others "big-hair teeny-bopper"! So I'd maintain that the good stuff was > there, although maybe the LA sleaze bands like Poison, and the unspeakable > Ratt and their ilk, dominated the airwaves, especially in America. Certainly the malaise Steve speaks about seemed a far more American thing. Over here, the media treats anything remotely heavy with utter contempt anyway, so large-hair bands hardly made a dent. Probably the opposite in fact, in the eyes of joe public. Start listening to Styper, might end up liking Nuclear Assault. Stranger things have happened. Tim From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Wed May 8 11:10:21 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:10:21 U Subject: BOC / Hawkwind Sighting Message-ID: >Not much to add to what Si said, but ToPT also had decent >cover art (Rodney Matthews) in their time, and a minor hit >with a cover of "Love Potion #9". When did Rodney M. do a cover for ToPT? I know he's done a lot of covers - Praying Mantis, Magnum et al, but I don't remember ToTP having any..? Cheers, Rich. PS. I bought one of Wally Lowe's Gordy Blueshift basses after the demise of Magnum - anyone have any info on Gordy, other than that they were an offshoot of Gordon Smith guitars? - please email me personally on this one, it's not very BOC-L! richard.lockwood at tpd.co.uk From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed May 8 07:14:04 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 07:14:04 -0400 Subject: HW: I'm back Message-ID: Hello all, I am finally getting mail again. I want to thank those who resent any personal mail. It was difficult going through 5 days without my HW discussion daily fix, and even more so going through the 5 days of mail that all arrived at once! See ya, Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 8 06:35:05 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:35:05 +0100 Subject: HW: HW in Record Collector In-Reply-To: <9605071925.aa08286@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at May 7, 96 07:25:22 pm Message-ID: > > > > What/Who tops HW as collectable artists? > > > > > > Here's the top 40 or so - but bear in mind that this is a British poll > > > so US bands will tend not to get a look in > > > > What? Motorhead isn't on the highly collectable list? > > Or did you just not reach them yet :) > > no.206 I'm afraid - down from 134 last year 8-( Shocking! I guess all those Motorhead fans must have become Oasis fans, just like Lars Ulrich ;) Well, maybe this means rare Motorhead will get cheaper :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 8 06:37:02 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:37:02 +0100 Subject: BOC: Various In-Reply-To: <199605071647.MAA12387@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > I would love to jump into some of the various BOC threads going on right > now, but I'm starting a new project and have just about no time to do > so (barely had time to read all my mail, never mind respond), so I'll > just say, that for the most part, I agree with Carl Now _there's_ something I don't hear very often ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed May 8 07:47:52 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:47:52 +0100 Subject: off:80s hair farmers In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 07 May 1996 18:15:23 EST." <8789A714106@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: Ted exclaims > Allright! How'd you ever get to hear the Masters on the other side > of the lake? They're from my hometown, so I got to see them in bars, > and then make it semi-big. My wife went to high school with Chris > Goss. Excellent group, though I believe they're in sort of suspended > animation, sadly. The metal release list a while back suggested a new one this year. I guess Ginger Baker exited a while back though. Although I think the first one was excellent, lots of people I know with roughly the same tastes have no time for it whatsoever ! Their second release, whilst being far removed from the Blue Garden material has steadily grown on me too. > And, of course since Tim left, he took a mighty > big slice of gtr playing with im. BTW, he has a new indie solo album > out. Not still with The Bogeymen then ? Tim From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed May 8 08:30:01 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 08:30:01 -0400 Subject: Satriani & Buck Message-ID: Theo sez: >Satriani, Vai an yes [although I actually like him and hate to say it] Gary Hoey and throw in that obnoxious little wanker Yngwie [sp.?] are not musicians, they are olympic athletes. They, and their fans are obsessed with the speed with which they play, and, seemingly, little else. None of those guys will ever write SONGS. They write fance guitar licks. Never expect a haunting ballad like Reaper from any of those dudes. Can they play guitar well? Undeniably. They could all smoke BD at a jam session. So what? Until any of them write a complete song with great lyrics, a concept, whatever, they just don't belong with an artist like Buck. Well, I don't think lyrics are a requirement for a good song. I'm not trying to defend Satriani, or get into a discussion on his talent vs. Buck's, but I listen to alot of his stuff (and recently saw him in concert), and IMHO it's great MUSIC. Then again, my wife always laughs at me because I often when listening to the radio may not know the words, but I'll be whistling the guitar solo! - so perhaps lyrics were never what impressed me about music (I'm too clueless to figure out the meanings of alot of them anyways). John From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed May 8 08:30:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 08:30:00 EDT Subject: HW: Orgasmatron Tracks Message-ID: To fill in during Bernhard's absence, here are the dates and sites for the tracks (from the Discography). The Right Stuff (ECT TV Soundtrack 16.4.85) Angels of Death (ECT TV Soundtrack 16.4.85) New Jerusalem (Ipswich 4.12.79) Starfarers Despatch (Spirit Of The Age) (Birmingham Kinetic Playground 12.12.71) Master of the Universe (Birmingham Kinetic Playground 12.12.71) Mask of Morning (Brighton 24.4.92) Images (Bournemouth Academy 2.7.90) Brainstorm (Stonehenge 20.6.84) Magnu (Crystal Palace 24.8.85) Shot Down In The Night (Hammersmith Odeon 22.4.88) I'd have done this direct, but my mail system doesn't give the originator's address. Rudy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed May 8 08:41:45 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 08:41:45 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: To Tox, Doug Mitchell, and anyone else looking for a copy of Club Ninja: There ARE a few dealers advertising in GOLDMINE with copies of Club Ninja -- I recommend you check there (patience and a magnifying glass will take you far when reading Goldmine!). If you still can't find it that way, e-mail me (jswartz at mitre.org) and I'll try to point you to a few on-line dealers that may carry it. John From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Wed May 8 09:07:50 1996 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:07:50 -0400 Subject: off:Cactus Message-ID: From: "Ted O. Jackson" >Is the Ben Schultz project recent? I take it he's split from the >Barefoot Servants? Too bad, as I saw them just as the album was >released, and they were excellent. Great bass on that project too, >courtesy of Lee Sklar. What is Pipedream? When? Still available? The Ben Schultz CD I have is copyright 1992 although I'd swear it was within the past year that I picked it up and saw the short article and the ad in _Guitar Player_. As I said, Tim only plays on a few cuts, but he's included in the band picture both in the CD booklet and in the _Guitar Player_ ad. The Pipedream album I have is dated 1979 and is a promo on ABC Records, so it's possible it never made it into the stores. It certainly seems to be Tim's project: he's credited with lead vocals, on a couple cuts he overdubs a second bass line, and in the liner notes he thanks someone for their help during the four years it took to get the project going. I was about to say that none of the other musicians were recognized names as that was my memory when I got the album, but while the checking the jacket for this answer I discover that, lo and behold, the guitarist is none other than Ben Schultz. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 8 09:00:54 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 14:00:54 +0100 Subject: Eric and Buck on AOL In-Reply-To: <199605071659.MAA07803@bb.iu.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 May 1996, Eddie W. Presley Jr. wrote: > Its not often an > artist gets to be this 'hands on' with their fans and be able to provide > them correct and current information. I have to admit I'd like to get hints of what the break-up looked like from the other side, which is why I'd most like Buck, or failing that Eric (second because of his habit of being a bit economical with the truth; `our new album coming out next year'...) on BOC-L, but I do wonder whether it would be possible for he and Al (and still less Deb and Eric) to stay on the same list without a sort of preliminary agreement not to reply to each others' posts. I fear where personalities proved incompatibel before, they would probably still be so. And of course there's the odd cheque to be discussed between the two sides... Ah well. JAZZA _____________________________________________________________________________ Jon Jarrett Pembroke College Cambridge "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 460728) One of 'em must be wrong.." jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk (Knopfler) ======================================================================== From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed May 8 09:10:27 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:10:27 -0400 Subject: HW: hawk rip off Message-ID: >i just saw on a taco bell kids meal bag a description of the characters >from this fantasy cartoon show. one of which, the hero is a guy named >HAWK WINDWALKER - coincidence? -i think not. i'm interested in seing what >this show is all about. - mike psyche Interesting. There was a seer named "Hawkwind" in the computer game Ultima IV, by Lord British (aka Shamino in the SCA, aka Richard Garriot, a Texan). He was located inside Britannia Castle, behind a sleep field, and was mainly useful to check how close you were to becoming an Avatar... I think there was a soldier called "hawkwind" in the movie "Flesh & Blood" (by Paul Verhoeven, with Rutger Hauer), but I am not certain. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed May 8 09:18:15 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:18:15 -0400 Subject: Mega-Heavy bands In-Reply-To: <199605080159.SAA13391@desiree.teleport.com> from "Steve" at May 7, 96 07:07:05 pm Message-ID: Steve writes: > > >Andy writes; > >>But in the later '80s we got (arguably better) albums like Master of Puppets, > >>Reign in Blood, Among the Living, Danzig, Masters of Reality > > > >...and in the early '90s we got (MoR singer Chris Goss produced) Kyuss!!!!!! > >The heaviest band ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > -Daniel > > My favorite has got to be PileDriver. After I heard that (I still don't > know if it was a joke band or for real) I gave up on spastic speed metal. There was a band called Nitro who were supposed to have been the "case closed" argument on speed metal. They purported to be the fastest band in existence, and touted a vocalist with something inhuman like 6 octaves of vocal range. Personally, I didn't really see the point, when bands like Mekong Delta were already playing faster than my ears could listen. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed May 8 09:21:07 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:21:07 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: <199605080238.TAA09396@nic.cerf.net> from "Joseph Brooks" at May 7, 96 07:38:59 pm Message-ID: Joseph Brooks writes: > [ The Marchall Plan ] > > I think one problem I have with it is that it always reminds me (lyricly > anyway) of another similar song by (Journey? no, Foreigner..) "And that one > guitar.. Felt good in his hands.." Oh how that screeching, whiney voice > grates on my nerves.. which I hate even more than "The Marshall Plan". Sigh. But I *love* "Jukebox Hero"! ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Wed May 8 09:23:03 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:23:03 -0400 Subject: Glastonbury dates ? Message-ID: Slightly off topic, sorry. Planning a trip to UK for late August, Early Sept. can anybody tell me what dates Glastonbury Festival might be on ? Any other festivals/rumoured HW appearances around then ? Cheers, Steve L. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed May 8 10:37:38 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:37:38 EST Subject: CN/RBN Message-ID: Tox: > That said, my own choice for Lamest Ever has to go to RBN, but for > reasons of personal choice. CN is a rock album; it's just a bad rock > album. RBN is dedicated to an 80's pop-ish style that I have no liking > for whatsoever. Take Me Away is worth the price of a used CD just by > itself, but the remainder of the album, even though it may technically be > "excellent standard-cut '80s pop", is still never going to sustain my > interest. > > och, vell, -tox Why so hating of RBN? Personally, I liked it a lot [at least some of it]. I thought Take Me Away, Shadow of California [lots of good humor in that one] Dragon Lady, Feel the Thunder [I'm partial to Biker songs, I admit. I even liked Wings of MErcury] were truly good songs. Granted, the rest is sub-standard, but at least listenable. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed May 8 10:41:38 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:41:38 EST Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: > > I must chime in with the Toxic Thespian (by the way Tox, when > can we expect Part II?) with a wish to purchase a CD copy of the > dreaded Club Ninja. I have tried, via Goldmine & more mundane > methods, to acquire a copy, to no avail... > > I can always be reached at the eddresses below... > > "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... > Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the > mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Snow, I routinely see it in record shops around here, in the bargain bin, of course. Shouldn't be any hardship to find if you poke around a bit. If you're really interested, contact me private, and I'll see if I can get you a copy. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed May 8 10:52:51 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:52:51 EST Subject: BD/VH connection? Message-ID: Snowman on my ravings: > > >Kiss planted the virus, but, sadly, Van Halen turned it into a > >pandemic, which, given Ed's monumental talents, is a crying > >shame. If they'd only fired Dave BEFORE they made it big > >and gotten a real lyricist...who knows, but, although I like a > >lot about him, it appears they've rpeated the mistake with > >Sammy. I guess we shouldn't expect Ed to play BOC > >songs, if he's happy being a giant party band > > I have always, when discussing music with knowledgable friends, > maintained that I am waiting for the day that Mr. Van Halen finally > locks the doors to 5150, and puts his best thoughts "down digital." > > Here's an interesting note: > > I have it on very good authority that the Buckster's favorite > contemporary guitarist is - you guessed it - Eddie. Now > THAT would be a great album! Buck & Eddie doing duet... > Wow! That kind of shocks me. I've always figured Buck to be on of the more cerebral musicians in rock--that's likely one of the reasons that always drew me to his music. And Ed is, well, Ed! Great musician, but not too much going on upstairs. Before the outraged flaming begins, let me state for the record that Ed is one of my gods, and I don't care if he has churned out a lot of fluff. If he never made another record, he'd be one of the greatest simply on the strength of the 1st album [which, sadly, I don't believe he's ever approached, except in glimpses, since]. But, as many recent observations re CN have borne out, BD has a strong pop streak in him, and that is the connection to VH. Ed is a pop musician who happens to play incredible over-the top gtr. VH has always impressed me as a great party band that can't decide if it wants to be a rave-up rocker act or pop-ballad group. I think since Dave's departure, the party- band persona has taken over... theo From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Wed May 8 14:35:02 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 14:35:02 U Subject: Glastonbury dates ? Message-ID: >Planning a trip to UK for late August, Early Sept. can anybody tell me what >dates Glastonbury Festival might be on ? Any other festivals/rumoured HW >appearances around then ? Erm, Glastonbury isn't happening this year! Cheers, Rich. ** this. is. not. a. fish? ** From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed May 8 10:57:36 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:57:36 EST Subject: Satriani & Buck Message-ID: John on my rant: > >Satriani, Vai an yes [although I actually like him and hate > to say it] Gary Hoey and throw in that obnoxious little wanker Yngwie > [sp.?] are not musicians, they are olympic athletes. They, and their > fans are obsessed with the speed with which they play, and, > seemingly, little else. None of those guys will ever write SONGS. > They write fance guitar licks. Never expect a haunting ballad like > Reaper from any of those dudes. Can they play guitar well? > Undeniably. They could all smoke BD at a jam session. So what? > Until any of them write a complete song with great lyrics, a concept, > whatever, they just don't belong with an artist like Buck. > > > Well, I don't think lyrics are a requirement for a good song. I'm not > trying to defend Satriani, or get into a discussion on his talent vs. > Buck's, but I listen to alot of his stuff (and recently saw him in > concert), and IMHO it's great MUSIC. Then again, my wife always laughs > at me because I often when listening to the radio may not know the > words, but I'll be whistling the guitar solo! - so perhaps lyrics were > never what impressed me about music (I'm too clueless to figure out > the meanings of alot of them anyways). > > John > John, glad you read my whole post! I own just about every album Vai ans Satch have put out. [Nothing from Yngwiem thanks!] And I'll say again, that they are great PLAYERS. And I like to listen to them quite a bit from time to time. Comparing them to songwriters like Buck or craftsmen like Steve Stevens is an apples vs oranges proposition. They are all good at what they do, but it isn't really the same thing. theo From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed May 8 14:07:26 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:07:26 -0300 Subject: HW: For sale Message-ID: I'm selling the following. Five pounds each (or best offer): Vinyl: Roadhawks (no poster, good condition) Choose Your Masques (quite a bit of surface noise, but still listenable) CD: Space Ritual vol. 2. Kyuss: Blues for a red sun. Dave. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed May 8 11:05:57 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:05:57 EST Subject: off:masters Message-ID: > Tim observes: > The metal release list a while back suggested a new one this year. I guess > Ginger Baker exited a while back though. Although I think the first one was > excellent, lots of people I know with roughly the same tastes have no time > for it whatsoever ! > Their second release, whilst being far removed from the Blue Garden material > has steadily grown on me too. > > > And, of course since Tim left, he took a mighty > > big slice of gtr playing with im. BTW, he has a new indie solo album > > out. > > Not still with The Bogeymen then ? > > Tim, Sadly, no. In fact they've been split for many years, though many of them still play bars around here regularly. I jam with Mr. Owl on a semi-regular basis at a couple of open mics. He was somehow shunted off during the whole process, but he was a prime mover before they made it big. There was supposed to be a second Bogey disc but it never happened. Tim's doing a solo thing, but he covers many styles. Haven't heard the new one yet... theo From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed May 8 10:45:13 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:45:13 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: >Joseph Brooks writes: >> > [ The Marchall Plan ] >> >> I think one problem I have with it is that it always reminds me (lyricly >> anyway) of another similar song by (Journey? no, Foreigner..) "And that one >> guitar.. Felt good in his hands.." Oh how that screeching, whiney voice >> grates on my nerves.. which I hate even more than "The Marshall Plan". > >Sigh. But I *love* "Jukebox Hero"! ;-) You could do an entire theme album on this theme of some kid picking up a gi-tar and heading for the limelight... ('Shooting Star', 'Learning to Fly' (Petty, not Floyd), etc.). Which is where the Marshall Plan belongs. I'll admit when I first heard it I thought there must be some obscure reference I was missing. Was this a secret plot of Truman to take over post WWII Europe? Was Johnny an alien? Did Suzi hang out at the Four Winds Bar? Was there an obscure religion that worshipped Don Kirshner? Was "Surf Music" actually a reference to an earlier life of Johnny's when he played "Serf Music"? *sigh*. Given a choice between vicious music with everyday lyrics and soft music with macabre lyrics, I'll usually take the latter (e.g., I really like Warren Zevon's "Excitable Boy"... (which, I might add, also features a "Suzi", any connection? ? ) +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From epresley at IU.NET Wed May 8 11:47:53 1996 From: epresley at IU.NET (Eddie W. Presley Jr.) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:47:53 -0400 Subject: BOC Re: Eric and Buck on AOL Message-ID: John wrote: >So, as far as I'm concerned, I've gotten approval on the FAQ from both >Bolle, as well as Albert and Deborah. In addition, Eric and Buck have >also had the opportunity to provide any input they want. I've said it >before and I'll say it again -- this FAQ is for BOC fans, This is all well and good, but completely misses the point. The point was not that the faq is incorrect, but that from Eric/Buck and Al a faq with their hand penned annotations and anecdotes would would seem to be a natural seeing as how in touch and informative they seem to wish to be with their fans. From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed May 8 12:29:38 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 18:29:38 +0200 Subject: BOC Re: Eric and Buck on AOL Message-ID: >John wrote: >>So, as far as I'm concerned, I've gotten approval on the FAQ from both >>Bolle, as well as Albert and Deborah. In addition, Eric and Buck have >>also had the opportunity to provide any input they want. I've said it >>before and I'll say it again -- this FAQ is for BOC fans, > > This is all well and good, but completely misses the point. The >point was not that the faq is incorrect, but that from Eric/Buck and Al a >faq with their hand penned annotations and anecdotes would would seem to be >a natural seeing as how in touch and informative they seem to wish to be >with their fans. > Ah, mankind... never satisfied with what it already has :-) As far as I know, we are the only mailing-list lucky enough to actually have one of the members of the band discussed a subscriber to the said list and willing to hear his fans and talk with them. You should be grateful for this instead of complaining about things which could probably never happen... Then again, I know it's also nice to dream once in a while (like, what if the original band reunited ; or, what if a follow-up to Imaginos was released ; etc...) Anyway, point is : you could rebuilt the world with "what ifs" ! *smile* Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- chat http://www.ffly.com/ sci-fi http://sf.www.lysator.liu.se/sf_archive/sf-texts/SF_resource_guide/ music http://american.recordings.com/wwwofmusic/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 8 17:42:57 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 17:42:57 BST Subject: HW: must be spring In-Reply-To: bart's message of Tue, 7 May 1996 14:28:38 +0100 Message-ID: bart writes: > > Whaa ??? Hawkwind finally coming back here ???? Cool cool cool. :-) > Actually, to answer myself, they're playing the Corn Exchange, which is ... err > OK I guess. Good for beer festivals, but pretty crap for watching bands. > Can you confirm the date for this one? Is it 23rd or 24th June? cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed May 8 12:59:51 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:59:51 -0400 Subject: Eric and Buck on AOL Message-ID: One other thing to consider as far as this "it would be nice to have Eric and/or Buck on BOC-L" thread: You also have to consider that another reason for some people not joining BOC-L is that they simply don't have time to keep up with the volume of e-mail. I know this is Bolle's reason for not joining BOC-L (at least the reason he told me) - he can barely keep up with all the AOL traffic and mail he gets, and he'd be swamped if he had to wade through the waters of BOC-L as well. My guess is that this may be a consideration for Eric/Buck, even if Al/Deb were not here -- they basically want a single home on the internet, and since they've got a good fan base on AOL, they see the xtra traffic as outweighing any advantage of being in contact with additional fans. John From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 8 17:50:18 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 17:50:18 BST Subject: HW: June gig dates & venues In-Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?='s message of Wed, 8 May 1996 08:47:52 +1100 Message-ID: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?= writes: > Hi All, > > I just had a request for info on the gig dates mentioned in the last > few days. Being geographically challenged, I didn't keep the posts! > > Could some kind soul mention them again, or mail this dude (nico > ) directly? > Brentwood in Essex near London 22nd June. Guildford and Ipswich on 23rd and 24th June - tho' I don't know which is which. Has anyone passed this info on yet? cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed May 8 13:06:45 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:06:45 -0400 Subject: Satriani & Buck Message-ID: Theo: I was mainly commenting on your line: None of those guys will ever write SONGS. This is the particular statement I disagreed with - Satriani's material are definitely SONGS in my book. John From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 8 17:57:17 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 17:57:17 BST Subject: OFF: PTree email discussion list In-Reply-To: Rob Stuckey's message of Mon, 6 May 1996 18:19:27 BST Message-ID: Rob Stuckey writes: > > Apparently one of the guys at Delerium is running a Porcupine Tree email > > The geezer who runs the list is Ivor Trueman, co-owner of Delerium > records. His address is DELERIUM at MAIL.BOGO.CO.UK . > > Sorry, I thought everyone knew about it already or I'd have sent > it earlier. > Probably did except I wasn't paying attention at the time, nor did I fully appreciate just how accessible they are by email! My apologies! Apparently Ivor Trueman tried our list for a day and had to abandon it because of the quantity of mail! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed May 8 13:22:47 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 19:22:47 +0200 Subject: BD/VH connection? Message-ID: Theo writes; VH has always impressed me as a >great party band that can't decide if it wants to be a rave-up rocker >act or pop-ballad group. I think since Dave's departure, the party- >band persona has taken over... Hmmm, but I allways claimed David as MrParty... :-) -Daniel - "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 8 11:45:25 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:45:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: Paul's Ob CD In-Reply-To: <960507053036_288795450@emout07.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In message <960507053036_288795450 at emout07.mail.aol.com>, Andy Gilham writes >What's more unusual is that there's two members of the "Hawklist" on that >album :) (You knew that, didn't you?) > >- Andy I realised just after I'd posted..... feeling sheepish, erm, I'll just get my coat then... -- Jon Browne From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed May 8 14:44:46 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:44:46 EST Subject: off:Satch Message-ID: > > I was mainly commenting on your line: > None of those guys will ever write SONGS. > > This is the particular statement I disagreed with - Satriani's material > are definitely SONGS in my book. > > John Well, ANY grouping of notes is technically, a song. Or even the same note played over and over [c.f. industrial, sampled stuff!]. And, true, if you've read any interviews with Satch, he truly believes he has a vision for the stuff he plays [though he's kind of a space cadet!]. So, in terms of his creative process, sure they're songs. To borrow your argument, then I'd have to say 'Buck's Boogie' isn't a song! And, since classical music doesn't usually have lyrics... My argument should have run more like: I consider Buck to be on a higher plane than guys who simply want an excuse to blow their chops. But then there's 'Buck's Boogie...Which is essentially a live song [or intended as one]. And, people do expect a little instrumental flash at a concert. Though the punk and to some extent, alternative movements seem opposed to it. And again, I listen to the chops- meisters quite a bit, and really, tied with Buck, my favorite gtr player is Jeff Beck, who could arguably be considered the Ayatullah of post-modern shredding. In fact, I listen to him more than anyone else [well, tied with BOC]. So, point taken! theo From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed May 8 13:47:06 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:47:06 -0500 Subject: HW: Covers web site URL? Message-ID: Hi all, Covers are coming along nicely, FYI. I need to check someting I have in my notes against the final tape tracks on the web page. Could someone please repost the URL? Thanks, Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed May 8 13:46:30 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 19:46:30 +0200 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: >The toxic boy feels compelled to leap into the miasma and ask: > >Now that we've established that the vast majority of BOC-Lers hate Club >Ninja and everything it stands for, might I inquire whether anyone would >like to sell or trade a copy of CN (ideally CD or else cassette)? My Reasons: > >1) It's out of print. > Is it still in print (over here) in Europe? I can't recall I have seen any other BOC CD so often in the stores. CN is even more common than AOF and ST. -Daniel - "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed May 8 14:47:51 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:47:51 -0500 Subject: BD/VH connection? Message-ID: Daniel responds: > Theo writes; > VH has always impressed me= > as a > >great party band that can't decide if it wants to be a rave-up rocker > >act or pop-ballad group. I think since Dave's departure, the party- > >band persona has taken over... > > > Hmmm, but I allways claimed David as MrParty... :-) > > > -Daniel > Yeah, he projected that persona, but I think he preferred the material that appealed to the younger segment of the fan base, and, yes [look out for the feminist backlash!] brought the teenage girls to the concerts. I guess Dave struck me as the 'rock star' dude, while Sammy seems more like the partying buddy who lives next door... theo From brendah at MBAY.NET Wed May 8 13:58:57 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (brenda holloway) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:58:57 -0700 Subject: BOC and the X-Files Message-ID: >Several complete episodes could be derived from a number of songs - Take Me >Away and ETI are obvious. The story line in the Subhuman would be make a They already did an episode with an E.T.I. theme - complete with mysterious men in black. brenda --- Brenda Holloway (brendah at mbay.net) deeds cannot dream what dreams can do Sony New Technologies, Monterey CA -time is a tree (this life one leaf) http://www.sonysoft.com/brenda/ but love is the sky and i am for you http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ just so long and long enough From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed May 8 13:56:03 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig A. Shipley) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:56:03 -0400 Subject: OFF: PTree email discussion list In-Reply-To: J Strobridge "Re: OFF: PTree email discussion list" (May 8, 5:57pm) Message-ID: Re: Ivor He is a presence over on the Ozrics list (recently a request was made for info on PT, I responded and Ivor responded to my post). The PT transmissions are infrequent and are more like a digest than anything else. Seems like a very nice chap from our discussions! (currently discussing the availability of PT t-shirts and the pending new release). -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig A. Shipley, SSS aka craigs at pyramid.com Pyramid Technology Corp. A Siemens-Nixdorf Company 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE (404) 845-3404 (voice) Suite 400 (404) 845-3401 (fax) Atlanta, GA 30342-1746 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 8 15:17:35 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:17:35 +0100 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: <199605080827.EAA08786@listserv.spc.edu> from "Imaginos" at May 8, 96 09:18:17 am Message-ID: > >The current/ongoing Sabbath material is pretty heavy, though it leans > >heavy on the mythology angle. Personally, I don't dislike the Sab > >material as much as others do. I think Tony Martin's a great singer, > >certainly better than ozzy. > > > Try Geezer Butlers new band G//Z/R. If anything hes got heavier, more so > than any Sabbath stuff, and definitely more than Ozzy. Well, g//z/r is only heavy in that kind of grindy Pantera/Rage Against the Machine kind of way. It's not bad, and has bits I quite like but it's not that interesting. I'd rate it solid, but otherwise just OK. The bloke from Fear Factory singing was OK on his "clean" tone but pretty generic when he moved into cookie-monster-death territory ... Still, I look forward to seeing what Geezer does as a followup. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed May 8 16:45:08 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 21:45:08 +0100 Subject: Glastonbury dates ? In-Reply-To: <199605081323.JAA04013@dogberry> Message-ID: Reply to Stephen Lindsey about Glastonbury dates ? >Slightly off topic, sorry. >Planning a trip to UK for late August, Early Sept. can anybody tell me what >dates Glastonbury Festival might be on ? Any other festivals/rumoured HW >appearances around then ? >Cheers, >Steve L. Bad news. Glastonbury isn't happening this year. Sorry. sihalley at vossnet.co.uk " A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window" From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed May 8 22:00:12 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 22:00:12 BST Subject: Glastonbury dates ? Message-ID: >Slightly off topic, sorry. >Planning a trip to UK for late August, Early Sept. can anybody tell me what >dates Glastonbury Festival might be on ? Any other festivals/rumoured HW >appearances around then ? >Cheers, >Steve L. You might be in time for the Reading festival which is usually the last weekend in August. I've got no idea what the line-up is this year, but it's usually alternative/indie bands. bye - Rob From irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU Wed May 8 16:59:53 1996 From: irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:59:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: Louisville, KY question Message-ID: Does anyone out there have any additional info on the May 13 Louisville, KY show (i.e., venue, any advance tix (doubtful))... ? I'm thinking of making the haul up there.. Any other list members making it to that show? Thanks, -Bryan Irby From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed May 8 17:03:04 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 17:03:04 -0400 Subject: Glastonbury dates ? Message-ID: >Bad news. Glastonbury isn't happening this year. Sorry. I remember someone mentioning this some time ago. Could someone briefly explai why it has been cancelled? Thanks Martyn From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed May 8 22:16:58 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 22:16:58 BST Subject: Glastonbury dates ? Message-ID: > > >Bad news. Glastonbury isn't happening this year. Sorry. > > I remember someone mentioning this some time ago. > Could someone briefly explai why it has been cancelled? > > Thanks > > Martyn > Apparantly, Michael Avis was a bit freaked out by the number of people who got in last year by climbing over/breaking down the perimeter fence. I can't remember what the exact figure was, but I heard that something like 160 people suffered broken arms/legs/ankles/etc from climbing up one side and jumping down the other. He says that he felt it was getting out of control. In todays Melody Maker it said that he is applying for an extension to is license of 20,000 which means next year's festival may have a capacity of 100,000. Apparantly local farmers, who have lost a lot of money over the BSE scare, have missed the extra income from renting out their land for the festival. Also he is standing as a candidate for the labour party for the Wells constituency at the next general election, so I presume he needed time to do whatever candidates for general elections do. bye - Rob From stayer at PI.NET Thu May 9 03:27:02 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:27:02 PDT Subject: BOC: Burnin' 4 U on CC Message-ID: John says: >Well, I've checked at 2:37 on my CD copy of "Cult Classic", as well as >my 3-song (guess which 3) promo sampler of "Cult Classic" (both released >on Herald), and my 2 song promo (Reaper/Burnin') released on Fragile, >and NONE of them have any noticible problems at 2:37 (or anywhere else >that I could find) on "Burnin' For You". Oh yeah, my copy of "Champions >of Rock" doesn't have it either. I guess it's only the original Fragile release that has the incorrect version. Maybe I should make a WAV file of it? I have a midi-interface somewhere around here, and I thought I could record music with it. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu May 9 03:03:35 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:03:35 PDT Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock Message-ID: >>Ah, that could be the reason no one seems to have a bad copy of Burning For >>You! My copy of CC is released on Fragile Records. Maybe the Herald release >>has got a correct version. >Hmm... I should check more on this -- I have a (UK I belive) CD single of >the Cult Classic version of Reaper/Burnin' that was released on Fragile. >I'll have to check to see if the stutter is on there. No, the CD /single/ is alright. When I was in London last week, I saw the Herald release. I could not have a listen, so please let me know. I guess the Fragile release (the Herald release mentions Fragile records though, but has a Herald sign on it) is kind of rare? >BTW, Cagey Cretins is not on WotT. Oh... Don't know what made me say that then :-) Jerry From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed May 8 18:46:07 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:46:07 -0600 Subject: "True BOC fans" are on BOC-L In-Reply-To: <1605.6701T1272T260@vossnet.co.uk> Message-ID: Damn, I seem to have started the dialouge happening again. Well, that's what's cool about this list (BOC-L, AOL,ect)'; evrybody says whats on their collective minds and nobody gets hurt. The wonders of computers!!!! God bless... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed May 8 19:04:38 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 17:04:38 -0600 Subject: BOC: Louisville, KY question In-Reply-To: <9605082059.AA05093@hera.astr.ua.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 May 1996, Bryan Irby wrote: > Does anyone out there have any additional info on the May 13 Louisville, > KY show (i.e., venue, any advance tix (doubtful))... ? > > I'm thinking of making the haul up there.. Any other list members making > it to that show? > > Thanks, > > -Bryan Irby > Bryan; It is tentatively going to be at the Toy Tiger. Have fun!! God bless... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Wed May 8 19:40:16 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:40:16 -0700 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: At 09:21 AM 5/8/96 -0400, you wrote: >Joseph Brooks writes: >> > [ The Marchall Plan ] >> >> I think one problem I have with it is that it always reminds me (lyricly >> anyway) of another similar song by (Journey? no, Foreigner..) "And that one >> guitar.. Felt good in his hands.." Oh how that screeching, whiney voice >> grates on my nerves.. which I hate even more than "The Marshall Plan". > >Sigh. But I *love* "Jukebox Hero"! ;-) Well there you go.. Different strokes and all that.. I find that song (thanks for reminding me of the title) completely annoying.. same with that entire band for that matter. But, I would never put anyone down for their taste in music. I'm certain that some of the stuff I love would probably make you yack up your breakfast :) _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Thu May 9 00:07:41 1996 From: tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Tox) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:07:41 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: <960508030911_393419481@emout19.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 May 1996, Douglas A Mitchell wrote: > I must chime in with the Toxic Thespian (by the way Tox, when > can we expect Part II?) with a wish to purchase a CD copy of the > dreaded Club Ninja. I have tried, via Goldmine & more mundane > methods, to acquire a copy, to no avail... > The wires tend to cross in conjunction with temporally significant points in history/mythology; given the significance imparted by Part II, and the onrush of preceding events, I'd guess either late tonight or else early next week. -Tox "It was the Light of Heinous-Sight, Carl. You're under an evil Wyrd." -the yvyl weird, Crossed Wires 3.2 From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed May 8 21:25:04 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 12:25:04 +1100 Subject: HW: June gig dates & venues Message-ID: On 8 May 96 J Strobridge wrote about Re: HW: June gig dates & venues: > Brentwood in Essex near London 22nd June. > Guildford and Ipswich on 23rd and 24th June - tho' I don't know which > is which. > > Has anyone passed this info on yet? I have now .... thanks Jill. Paul/Soniqu? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Wed May 8 21:41:45 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 18:41:45 -0700 Subject: Where be da Brain Surgeons? Message-ID: What label are the Brain Surgeons on? I've made up my mind that I have to get their latest and see what it's like, but I doubt that I'll get far at the record shop with just the name of the band... "They tried to give me advice/down at the record shop "I said, 'sit down boys/this may come as a shock." -Frank Black ,from 'Freedom Rock' "As long as someone wields the whip, someone else will want to kiss it." -G. Gordon Gordon From tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Thu May 9 00:23:23 1996 From: tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Tox) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:23:23 -0400 Subject: CN/RBN In-Reply-To: <887F99E2329@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 May 1996, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > Tox: > > > That said, my own choice for Lamest Ever has to go to RBN, but for > > reasons of personal choice. CN is a rock album; it's just a bad rock > > album. RBN is dedicated to an 80's pop-ish style that I have no liking > > for whatsoever. Take Me Away is worth the price of a used CD just by > > itself, but the remainder of the album, even though it may technically be > > "excellent standard-cut '80s pop", is still never going to sustain my > > interest. > > > > och, vell, -tox > Why so hating of RBN? Personally, I liked it a lot [at least some of > it]. I thought Take Me Away, Shadow of California [lots of good > humor in that one] Dragon Lady, Feel the Thunder [I'm partial to > Biker songs, I admit. I even liked Wings of MErcury] were truly good > songs. Granted, the rest is sub-standard, but at least listenable. > theo > Again, my beef with RBN is due more to my own tastes than to objective quality. I will concede that the humor in SoC is worthwhile, but otherwise the songs on RBN may well be sterling representatives of that particular style of music, but it's not a style that has ever appealed to me. Which is odd, come to think of it, since I'm rather fond of Mirrors, the other big " leaning towards pop" album. I suppose it's because the tracks on Mirrors retain either the undercurrent power ("The Vigil") and/or straightforward energy ("The Great Sun Jester") that marks all really good BOC, but which seemed to peter out in RBN after the first track. Sprinkle loads of IMO's through the preceding text, of course, but maybe others will empathise with the impressions I got... From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Thu May 9 02:29:44 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 02:29:44 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: Toxicity: >>I must chime in with the Toxic Thespian (by the way Tox, when >>can we expect Part II?) with a wish... >The wires tend to cross in conjunction with temporally significant points >in history/mythology; given the significance imparted by Part II, and the >onrush of preceding events, I'd guess either late tonight or else early >next week. Ah, a temporal rift... I'll look forward to your next subspace breach. Take your time, good reading is worth it... "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Thu May 9 02:29:49 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 02:29:49 -0400 Subject: Eric and Buck on AOL Message-ID: Sir John: >You also have to consider that another reason for some people >not joining BOC-L is that they simply don't have time to keep up >with the volume of e-mail. I know this is Bolle's reason for not >joining BOC-L (at least the reason he told me) - he can barely >keep up with all the AOL traffic and mail he gets, and he'd be >swamped if he had to wade through the waters of BOC-L as well. I can, to some degree, relate to this point. During the ski season, my other home (the Ski-L) is very active, and demands a fair amount of attention. The AOL BOC crowd are past critical mass, and much like the BOC-L folk, chug merrily along with or without my presence. So I stay 'tuned-in' as I can, adding my thoughts when the inspiration strikes (much like lightning...). As the ski season winds down, I find my budgeted e-mail time opening up, and so a 'return' to the BOC-L was definitely in order. After all, what else are there but skiing, mountains, and Blue Oyster Cult? Maybe that "career-thing"... =) "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Thu May 9 02:29:50 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 02:29:50 -0400 Subject: BOC: Burnin' For You... Message-ID: Here's another piece of text that arose out of thematic discussion on the interpretations of "Burnin' For You"... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >How do you interpret the lyrics to Burnin' For You? Here's my angled dream... >One way is that it's about life on the road for a rock star. He has >no true home, and time means nothing because it's just one city >after another. He's burnin' for his lover back at home. "Time to >play B sides" fits this theory pretty well. "Home isn't my way, home I'll never be..." Don't think so... >Another version, the sinister one that I like the best, is that the >character in the song has sold his soul for the love of his life. Being >eternally damned one would definitely have no home and time would >become completely meaningless. This would explain "I've see suns >that were freezing and lives that were through" and the giving the >devil his due line. And it makes the most sense, too. Home is everywhere, in the valley, the city, the darkness, "home isn't my way". So, home is realistically nowhere. A sense of not belonging anywhere. "Givin' the devil his due" could have a darker meaning, but likely just refers to the temptations of 'life on the road', and the daily struggles to maintain some semblance of self-control. "I can't see no reason to put up a fight" shows us that at this point, that he's given up trying resist, though. Living a lifestyle guaranteed to send him to the Ninth Circle of Hell, he's "Burnin'"... "Time is the essence, time is the season, time ain't no reason, got no time to slow, time everlasting, time to play B-sides, time ain't on my side, time I'll never know..." This passage seems to refer to the varying perceptions of time at different points of reference in a life. "Time is the essence" - when everything is going the way you'd hoped. "Time is the season" - a contemplative moment. "Time ain't no reason" - a surge of impe- tuous youth. "Got no time to slow" - feeling like you've got to get it all done, before... "Time everlasting" - considering the larger picture, and the insignificance of a single moment in the cosmos. "Time to play 'B' sides" - those odd times between 'things', a certain sense of limbo. "Time ain't on my side" - when you feel like life's leaving you behind. "Time I'll never know" - a realization that it will all continue, after you're gone... "Burn out the day, burn out the night, I'm not the one to tell you what's wrong and what's right." Moving on through the life that's been chosen. Accepting life for what it is, and reminding people not to measure life through him... "I've seen suns that were freezing, and lives that were through..." Hot land, and desert sand. Or a cold desert sunset. A single frame in time. And the human wreckage strewn about him as he moves on through his life... Someone trying to come to grips with the path taken. That's my overly psychoanalytical look at it... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sandy got a hold of a copy of this, and said she'd ask Richard Meltzer what he REALLY had in mind. I'll post the response... "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From gumby at PRIMENET.COM Thu May 9 02:34:53 1996 From: gumby at PRIMENET.COM (Thomas Nelson) Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 23:34:53 -0700 Subject: BOC: Buck, Satch, and Stevens Message-ID: > >Gumby Man; > >Your point is well taken regarding Satriani. However, Satriani's career >really began to take off when Buck helped him out with the Imaginos thing, >And Satriani has cited Buck as an influence and as a very professional >musicain. > >But really, can you compare Satriani's style with Buck's? They are both >extremely talented guitar players, but not really along the same styles, >wouldn"t you say? > >Manuel It's difficult to compare, but for the money...I definitely prefer Buck live. My fondest concert memory is watching Buck play Last Days of May. The man was in a zone. So was I. The last few digests have seen a bunch of band names fly by: Steve Stevens and Atomic Playboys: I have this album. The one song that strikes my memory is the instrumental piece ("Desert Running"???) in which Stevens plucks the hell out of an acoustic, while keeping a nice rhythm. Queensryche: Operation: Mindcrime is awesome. One of the few times an thematic album worked for me (Sorry, the theme of Imaginos didn't hook me, just the music). The Warning and their first EP are also very fine. Death Angel: Did somebody post about Act III from Death Angel? They are one of my favorites. Have you checked out their new stuff as The Organization? Very much like Act III. This is enough rambling Gumby Go Home! Thomas Nelson*****The Gumby Man*****gumby at primenet.com "In this day and age, ignorance is not only inexcusable, it is criminal and perhaps fatal." The Anarchist Cookbook From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Thu May 9 02:31:44 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 02:31:44 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: John: >There ARE a few dealers advertising in GOLDMINE with copies of Club >Ninja -- I recommend you check there (patience and a magnifying glass >will take you far when reading Goldmine!). If you still can't find it >that way, e-mail me (jswartz at mitre.org) and I'll try to point you to a >few on-line dealers that may carry it. Thank you, but my experiences with Goldmine advertisers has been anything but pleasant. Two missing checks, several broken promises, and so I am hesitant. The two missing checks were both in payment for a copy of...you guessed it...Club Ninja. A couple folks have stepped forward to help, and I thank them directly... =) I will have a copy on CD yet, whether it be the US or the Scandihoovian release. The UK version? If I could find one... Thanks again. "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Thu May 9 02:31:51 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 02:31:51 -0400 Subject: BD/VH connection? Message-ID: Theo: >>I have always, when discussing music with knowledgable friends, >>maintained that I am waiting for the day that Mr. Van Halen finally >>locks the doors to 5150, and puts his best thoughts "down digital." >>Here's an interesting note: >>I have it on very good authority that the Buckster's favorite >>contemporary guitarist is - you guessed it - Eddie. Now >>THAT would be a great album! Buck & Eddie doing duet... >Wow! That kind of shocks me. I've always figured Buck to be on of >the more cerebral musicians in rock--that's likely one of the reasons >that always drew me to his music. And Ed is, well, Ed! Great >musician, but not too much going on upstairs. Before the outraged >flaming begins, let me state for the record that Ed is one of my >gods, and I don't care if he has churned out a lot of fluff. If he >never made another record, he'd be one of the greatest simply on the >strength of the 1st album [which, sadly, I don't believe he's ever >approached, except in glimpses, since]. But, as many recent >observations re CN have borne out, BD has a strong pop streak in him, >and that is the connection to VH. Ed is a pop musician who happens >to play incredible over-the top gtr. VH has always impressed me as a >great party band that can't decide if it wants to be a rave-up rocker >act or pop-ballad group. I think since Dave's departure, the party- >band persona has taken over... It rather shocked me as well, when I first heard it. But your observations are right on the same path that my thoughts took. Both are 'gifted' musicians and artists, with the ability to transcend the mechanics of the sport & make just plain impressive music... Their collective propensity for 'pop' oriented music doesn't diminish this for me, as I can't ever get enough of Buck's solo work. 'Flat Out' is alot of fun, and 'Summa Cum Laude' & 'Gamera Is Missing' are just TOO cool to dismiss as anything short of genius. After months of lobbying Buck (along with a few others), he let on about three or four months that something was in the works 'in the home studio', and he just needed a bit of time to get it finished up. I don't expect it will be available at your corner record store, but I'm sure word of it's coming will reach everyone here... =) I can't wait... "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu May 9 05:00:56 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:00:56 +0100 Subject: Albert's last BOC gig Message-ID: As a recent subscriber, I was interested to see Al's last BOC gig listed as being in Norfolk. It was actually in Bedfordshire - I was there and I wrote this review (which was never actually accepted for publication), SOFT WHITE UNDERBELLY, Queensway Hall, Dunstable, August 1981. The Blue Oyster Cult fans were out in force for this 'undercover' warm-up gig for Castle Donington. Some were still wondering whether they'd been conned by a no-publicity stunt until they arrived to see Dunstable plastered with the notorious Kronos symbol _!_ ) T-shirt chic was the order of the day with all the fans checking out the hottest designs. Fortunately my 1976 Agents of Fortune pic was not duplicated. Dead on nine o'clock the PA announced 'From New York City, Soft White Underbelly', and there was Eric belting out THE RED AND THE BLACK (it's their colour scheme) to the citizens of Dunstable. The main surprise of the night came as Bloom introduced the band: 'Buck Dharma; Alan Laneer; Joe Bouchard; and tonight on drums, Rick Downey(?)'. The jaws of dozens of aspiring drummers dropped as they realised that their hero hadn't made the gig. But it was OK - after EXTRA TERRESTRIAL INTELLIGENCE and JOAN CRAWFORD HAS RISEN FROM THE GRAVE: 'Oh here's Albert' said someone, and the world's top rock drummer wandered sheepishly onstage to batter the skins into submission for the rest of the evening. The band: Buck warbled his way through BURNIN' FOR YOU looking like a Klingon Empire traffic warden in his silver lame tanktop; Alan (who looked absolutely DREADFUL) hopped from keyboards to impeccable harmony guitar to attempted frontman (but nobody gave him a mike); Joe looked singularly cheerful singing HOT RAILS TO HELL. The minuses: Someone went into the middle 8 in the wrong place in OD'D ON LIFE ITSELF; Albert never put on a dinosaur head in GODZILLA; Eric didn't shoot firecrackers from his fingers in FLAMING WONDER TELEPATH; Buck was sloppier than usual. The pluses: Buck's amazing E-bow feedback noise on HEAVY METAL BLACK AND SILVER; Albert hammering the snaredrum stand into something like a CB aerial in a crosswind for a shattering version of Michael Moorcock's answer to 'Apocalypse Now', VETERAN OF THE PSYCHIC WARS; and of course Eric Bloom holding the act in one piece, moving round the stage like a prowling vampire as he slashed blood from his palm in UNKNOWN TONGUE. All too soon Joe was into his bass feature, presaging the moment when the smoke bombs went off wham into BORN TO BE WILD (good lord, are they still doing that?) and off they trooped. The carefully programmed encores were WE GOTTA GET OUT OF THIS PLACE and (would you believe) (DON'T FEAR) THE REAPER. Dead on 10.30 they were off and it was over; no CITIES ON FLAME, no LAST DAYS OF MAY, no ME262. 'Sorry I was late' said Albert. POSTSCRIPT (27/8/81): I see from today's weeklies that the day after Dunstable, Albert Bouchard flew back to the States announcing that he had left the band, dooming them to play a duff set at Castle Donington and breaking up what must be by now one of the longest-lived unchanged rock band lineups in rock band history (along with Quo). Don't do it, Albert! Think again! The Stalk Forrest Group needed you! The Soft White Underbelly needed you! Don't quit on BOC just as the band gets its first major chart album! Mick Godwin, Bath, August 1981. Note : I am not absolutely sure of the stand-in drummer's name, but Rick Downey is the drummer on the 1982 Extra Terrestrial Live album, so he is the most likely candidate. From stayer at PI.NET Thu May 9 04:00:31 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 01:00:31 PDT Subject: OFF / OTHER: misinterpretations Message-ID: >> >>>In decimal chains whose mimic cry >> >>Not "Mimicry"? Nope, "mimic cry" to rhyme with "never fly" >> >>Ah well, I'm the guy who used to think CCR was saying "There's the >> >bathroom >on the right" instead of "There's a bad moon on the rise" >> >when I was a kid.. . >> >Yes, and I thought it was "gitchin for a runnin" in "Born to be Wild"! >> >Chris >>My best ever, from Zep's "How Many More Times": >>"I'm Harvey the Hotdog, that's my name... >>Harvey the Hotdog, that's how I got my name" >My favorite is Hendrix's Purple Haze.. "S'cuse me while I kiss this guy.." On most performances (including the original) it's 'kiss the sky' alright. But on one video (Berkeley?) I think Hendrix actually says 'kiss this guy' - Hendrix is also grinning in Mitch Mitchell's direction during this line. Dream Theater: 'you drop a bottom line with a dollar sign'; I heard 'you dot a dotted line with a dotted sign', but that didn't make much sense. Then I still don't know what is correct: 'in the back of a rented Ford' or 'an ancient Ford'? We could make quite a list from these misinterpretated lines... Jerry From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 9 07:51:01 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 12:51:01 +0100 Subject: CN/RBN In-Reply-To: from "Tox" at May 9, 96 00:23:23 am Message-ID: > Which is odd, come to think of it, since I'm rather fond of Mirrors, the > other big " leaning towards pop" album. I suppose it's because the tracks > on Mirrors retain either the undercurrent power ("The Vigil") and/or > straightforward energy ("The Great Sun Jester") that marks all really > good BOC, but which seemed to peter out in RBN after the first track. > Sprinkle loads of IMO's through the preceding text, of course, but maybe > others will empathise with the impressions I got... Yes, absolutely, though I have hazy memories that we've discussed that before. I think it comes down to what was said about the production. The sound on Mirrors is more vibrant, you can hear the _band_ on it. RBN is much more sterile sounding. Mirrors is "Dr. Music" which RBN is "Dr. Muzak" (Muzak is his name .... ;) Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu May 9 08:33:47 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 08:33:47 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: Doug writes: >Thank you, but my experiences with Goldmine advertisers has been anything but pleasant. Two missing checks, several broken promises, and so I am hesitant. The two missing checks were both in payment for a copy of...you guessed it...Club Ninja. Hmm... kind of surprised there. I've dealt with probably 4 or 5 dealers in Goldmine, and have not had any problem. All of my business was done by credit card - don't know if that makes a difference. I will admit that I've dealt mainly with the dealers that regularly take out full-page ads in Goldmine -- I figure if they're spending big bucks to advertise, they are probably pretty reputable (and, if you have had problems, you might want to write to Goldmine). Anyways, best of luck - I'm sure you will find yourself a copy of the much-maligned Club Ninja on CD! >I will have a copy on CD yet, whether it be the US or the Scandihoovian release. The UK version? If I could find one... If by any chance you do - PLEASE let me know. The UK release on CD is very rare, if it exists at all -- even Bolle doesn't have a copy of this (at least, he hadn't as of about 6 months ago). But, I have heard the UK mix (where "White Flags" doesn't fade out) so I know it exists, at least on vinyl. John From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu May 9 08:48:04 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:48:04 +0100 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 09 May 1996 08:33:47 EDT." <199605091233.IAA06957@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > >I will have a copy on CD yet, whether it be the US or the Scandihoovian > release. The UK version? If I could find one... > > If by any chance you do - PLEASE let me know. The UK release on CD is > very rare, if it exists at all -- even Bolle doesn't have a copy of this > (at least, he hadn't as of about 6 months ago). But, I have heard the UK > mix (where "White Flags" doesn't fade out) so I know it exists, at least > on vinyl. So which is the UK version? When CN came out a friend of mine got the vinyl which *doesn't* have the "Bones of our Oppressors" bit on WtWC, but my CD copy does. Which one is the UK effort...(I can't recall if WF fades or not) Sure Make Rock not War gets me a bit queasy, but Dancin In The Ruins, Perfect Water and, yes, and Shadow Warrior are all totally worthwhile efforts. If there's a gaff BOC album its probably _Mirrors_ :^) Tim Whose got Club Ninja on CD and proud of it :) From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu May 9 08:51:57 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 08:51:57 -0400 Subject: Eric and Buck on AOL Message-ID: >Sir John: >my budgeted e-mail time opening up, and so a 'return' to the BOC-L >was definitely in order. After all, what else are there but skiing, >mountains, and Blue Oyster Cult? Diving! BTW, there's nothing like listening to "Blue Oyster Cult" (the track off Imaginos, after Subhuman) while underwater. Especially if you have two friends who remained in the boat... ... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu May 9 08:51:59 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 08:51:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: Burnin' For You... Message-ID: >>Another version, the sinister one that I like the best, is that the >>character in the song has sold his soul for the love of his life. Being >>eternally damned one would definitely have no home and time would This is what I always felt it meant, and it's beautifully done in a manner which makes it hard to pin them on. There are double meanings to almost everything. Meltzer was corrosively playful with his lyrics. For those who simply knew it as a radio hit and didn't pay attention it seemed a perfectly normal song, and yet it meant exactly what it said... I know that the song sometimes isn't too popular on here because its success is blamed in part with attempts on further albums to be more mainstream, but you can't fault the song for that. It remains one of my favorites... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu May 9 09:05:17 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:05:17 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: Tim >So which is the UK version? When CN came out a friend of mine got the vinyl >which *doesn't* have the "Bones of our Oppressors" bit on WtWC, but my CD >copy does. Which one is the UK effort...(I can't recall if WF fades or not) Your friend got the UK mix on LP, like me. It was actually released here (UK) first, in December '85, wasn't it? But it was still after the tour... Anyway, a few weeks afterwards I remember seeing a divider in Virgin labelled "Club Ninja - US mix". But I wasn't *that* extravagant - buy a high-priced import copy just for a different mix? Pshaw! :) I got a CD copy in late '87 (hey, it was the eighties, by then I was into conspicuous consumption, and anyway you couldn't actually *get* much BOC on CD then), and although it was a UK release (although manufactured somewhere on the continent), blow me if it wasn't different to my vinyl! Although I never noticed a difference on "White Flags" - which isn't to say there isn't one :) - the two striking differences were the Howard Stern bit on "Whe the War Comes", and that "Madness to the Method" *didn't* fade out. Anyway "Shadow Warrior" is dead good! There, I've nailed my colours to the mast :) - Andy From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu May 9 09:10:27 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:10:27 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: >Sure Make Rock not War gets me a bit queasy, but Dancin In The Ruins, Perfect >Water and, yes, and Shadow Warrior are all totally worthwhile efforts. If >there's a gaff BOC album its probably _Mirrors_ :^) here we go again... Shall we just do another poll and get it over with? I like Mirrors, I like it a lot. There's only about one track on it I don't care for (YNTOIWLF), and the Great Sun Jester is one of the reasons I got into BOC in the first place. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu May 9 09:15:24 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:15:24 -0400 Subject: BOC: Burnin' For You... Message-ID: Andrew said >I know that the song sometimes isn't too popular on here because its success >is blamed in part with attempts on further albums to be more mainstream, >but you can't fault the song for that. It remains one of my favorites... I recall DR saying (over on AOL) that he originally wrote it for _Flat Out_, but was persuaded to let BOC use it. - Andy From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu May 9 09:23:59 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:23:59 +1100 Subject: (More) Re: HW: June gig dates & venues/nico Message-ID: Has anyone got some more info that I can pass on to this guy? Thanks in advance, Paul/Soniqu? ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- have you more information about this gigs? I needn some phone numbers to know the hours and to get the tickets thanks!! -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Thu May 9 14:23:44 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:23:44 U Subject: OFF / OTHER: misinterpretations Message-ID: >We could make quite a list from these misinterpretated lines... For those UK subscribers, there's a regular column regarding just this subject zine section of the Saturday Guardian. Cheers, Rich. ** The grave of Karl Marx is just another Communist plot ** From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Thu May 9 08:30:49 1996 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:30:49 +0100 Subject: Glastonbury dates ? Message-ID: >Slightly off topic, sorry. > >Planning a trip to UK for late August, Early Sept. can anybody tell me what >dates Glastonbury Festival might be on ? Any other festivals/rumoured HW >appearances around then ? > >Cheers, >Steve L. No Glastonbury '96 - it's official I I I ---- 0 ---- I - I -- From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu May 9 09:27:28 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:27:28 +0100 Subject: HW: must be spring In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 08 May 1996 17:42:57 -0000." <9605081742.aa26045@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Jill sez - > > Can you confirm the date for this one? Is it 23rd or 24th June? Hawkwind play Ipswich Corn Exchange monday the 24th June. Starts 8pm. Tickets 11.50 (standing downstairs, seats on balcony). Support not yet known. box office either 01473 215544 or 01473 281480. Tim PS Jill, I ain't forgotten about the comet pics, don't worry. From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Thu May 9 09:47:08 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:47:08 EDT Subject: CN/RBN/Mirrors Message-ID: > If there's a gaff BOC album its probably _Mirrors_ :^) I agree. The beginning of the end for BOC. The style completely different than earlier. Text book songs and performance. Bloom actually thought he could sing on that album. He was good on albums, 1,2,3,4, very natural sounding. OK on albums 5,6, but hit the voice lessons or something by the time Mirrors rolled around. He actually thought he could sing. His voice just got way too clean, his style way too polished from that album on. RR From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 9 15:36:11 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:36:11 BST Subject: Glastonbury dates ? In-Reply-To: Imaginos's message of Thu, 9 May 1996 13:30:49 +0100 Message-ID: Imaginos writes: > >Slightly off topic, sorry. > > > >Planning a trip to UK for late August, Early Sept. can anybody tell me what > >dates Glastonbury Festival might be on ? Any other festivals/rumoured HW > >appearances around then ? > > > >Cheers, > >Steve L. > > No Glastonbury '96 - it's official > I > I > I > ---- 0 ---- > I > - > I > -- There was supposed to be "an alternative to Glastonbury" at "Cheesefoot Head" or something similar. Can anyone get details of dates, bands, whether camping is on site, with fires allowed? Whether there's a genuine glasto-babylon? Arts & crafts fair? New-Age type shit? Etcetera etcetera etcetera... Oy yeah, and cost, that matters too :-) Cheers FoFP From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Thu May 9 11:34:26 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 08:34:26 -0700 Subject: More 80's/90's segue-ing into BOC/HW Message-ID: Tim (Bart?) (bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK) said: >Certainly the malaise Steve speaks about seemed a far more American thing. Over >here, the media treats anything remotely heavy with utter contempt anyway, so >large-hair bands hardly made a dent. Probably the opposite in fact, in the eyes >of joe public. Start listening to Styper, might end up liking Nuclear Assault. >Stranger things have happened. Yes- I imagine that might be true- Being from Britain, you might remember Bad News? My favourite 80's Metal band from Europe. In the 80s I got fed up with "metal", (aside from Metallica, and of course Bad News) and delved into roots blues and stuff like Traffic, Hawkwind, Jack Bruce, and Bill Frissell and found myself completely ready for Nirvana and the Pixies. I appreciated the fact that Guns/Roses showed it was OK to be heavy and not play Bach etudes at 100 km/hr...I got really sick of the Yngwie Malmsteen stuff. Throughout it all, I liked BOC (not discovering Hawkwind until relatively recently), but interestingly enough, I never paid any attention to their earlier stuff until the grunge/punk revival thing came around- the early BOC stuff actually fits more into that genre than it did with the early '70s, which is why I get so disappointed that BOC doesn't seem to live up to their potential to make a sort of underground comeback...Have things come full circle? Or have I once again gone on a completely insane tangent? Steve Phillips "As long as someone wields the whip, someone else will want to kiss it." -G. Gordon Gordon From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Thu May 9 12:02:33 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:02:33 -0500 Subject: Eric and Buck on AOL In-Reply-To: <199605091251.IAA22994@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at May 9, 96 08:51:57 am Message-ID: > >was definitely in order. After all, what else are there but skiing, > >mountains, and Blue Oyster Cult? > > Diving! > > BTW, there's nothing like listening to "Blue Oyster Cult" (the track off > Imaginos, after Subhuman) while underwater. > > Especially if you have two friends who remained in the boat... ... > +-------------------------------------------------------+ > Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Andrew - Sounds like a pretty cool diving additive... But what sort of contraption do you use to play music while you're down? I'd like to try that next time I go diving.. -Bryan From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu May 9 12:51:39 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 12:51:39 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: Tim queries: >So which is the UK version? When CN came out a friend of mine got the vinyl which *doesn't* have the "Bones of our Oppressors" bit on WtWC, but my CD copy does. Which one is the UK effort...(I can't recall if WF fades or not) I believe that *only* the "US Mix" (3rd and final mix) has the Howard Stern intro (I've got the Scandanavian mix on CD and I'm almost positive that it's not there) -- there are some other things that are common to the UK and Scandanavian mixes, so the only way I know for sure to identify the UK mix is by the non-fadeout of "White Flags". John From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu May 9 13:33:51 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:33:51 -0400 Subject: OFF / OTHER: misinterpretations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 May 1996, Jerry wrote: > >My favorite is Hendrix's Purple Haze.. "S'cuse me while I kiss this guy.." > > On most performances (including the original) it's 'kiss the sky' alright. > But on one video (Berkeley?) I think Hendrix actually says 'kiss this guy' - > Hendrix is also grinning in Mitch Mitchell's direction during this line. Or how about the version of "Purple Haze" on the STAGES _San Diego 69_ CD where he clearly sings, "'Scuse me while I kiss *that guy*..." [my emphasis] I guess Hendrix knew the line to be oft-misinterpreted... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _London Symphony Orchestra, Vols. I & II_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 9 18:39:36 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 18:39:36 BST Subject: Glastonbury dates ? In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Thu, 9 May 1996 15:36:11 BST Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > Imaginos writes: > > No Glastonbury '96 - it's official > > There was supposed to be "an alternative to Glastonbury" at "Cheesefoot > Head" or something similar. Can anyone get details of dates, bands, > whether camping is on site, with fires allowed? Whether there's a > genuine glasto-babylon? Arts & crafts fair? New-Age type shit? Etcetera > etcetera etcetera... > apparently it was advertised in NMA but they had gone out of print by the time I tried to get hold of a copy (ie next month's edition had superseded the previous month) so I couldn't find the info. I'm told it was the solstice weekend but seeing as Hawkwind are playing live that weekend elsewhere I guess the festival is out for me! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 9 18:47:16 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 18:47:16 BST Subject: HW: tenuous links In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Wed, 8 May 1996 09:10:27 -0400 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > > I think there was a soldier called "hawkwind" in the movie "Flesh & Blood" > (by Paul Verhoeven, with Rutger Hauer), but I am not certain. > skewing slightly to one side I'm sure I heard a Hawkwind reference in the animation film "Toy Story" (a surprisingly bizarre film actually!) where the family is walking into Pizza Planet - the doors slide open and an electronic voice that sounds like it came straight off Brock's solo album says "The White Zone is for Pizza Eating Only". Yeah - I know it's a tenuous one but it gave me a smile. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu May 9 13:58:30 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:58:30 -0400 Subject: OFF / OTHER: misinterpretations In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at May 9, 96 01:33:51 pm Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > > On most performances (including the original) it's 'kiss the sky' alright. > > But on one video (Berkeley?) I think Hendrix actually says 'kiss this guy' - > > Hendrix is also grinning in Mitch Mitchell's direction during this line. > > Or how about the version of "Purple Haze" on the STAGES _San Diego 69_ CD > where he clearly sings, "'Scuse me while I kiss *that guy*..." [my > emphasis] I guess Hendrix knew the line to be oft-misinterpreted... And to add a final note of irony, I remember a similar discussion many years ago on alt.rock-n-roll, where someone (doubtless a PSUVM poster, for those of you who know what I mean) ;-) used one of those alternate-lyrics live performances as evidence that the studio lyric *really was* "kiss this guy". ("SEE, that PROUVES I was rite!!!!!") Steve swann at panix.com From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu May 9 15:25:36 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:25:36 EST Subject: Jimi's tastes... Message-ID: > Paul Mather writes: > > > > > On most performances (including the original) it's 'kiss the sky' alright. > > > But on one video (Berkeley?) I think Hendrix actually says 'kiss this guy' - > > > Hendrix is also grinning in Mitch Mitchell's direction during this line. > > > > Or how about the version of "Purple Haze" on the STAGES _San Diego 69_ CD > > where he clearly sings, "'Scuse me while I kiss *that guy*..." [my > > emphasis] I guess Hendrix knew the line to be oft-misinterpreted... > > And to add a final note of irony, I remember a similar discussion many > years ago on alt.rock-n-roll, where someone (doubtless a PSUVM poster, > for those of you who know what I mean) ;-) used one of those > alternate-lyrics live performances as evidence that the studio lyric > *really was* "kiss this guy". ("SEE, that PROUVES I was rite!!!!!") > > Steve > swann at panix.com A buddy of mine was convinced Jimi was saying: 'piss the sky!' Now would that mean the sky was issuing from his unit, or that he was simply urinating up into the air? theo New and noteworthy: King Biscuit Flower Hour Presents: Robin Trower in Concert. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu May 9 15:23:16 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 21:23:16 +0200 Subject: HW: tenuous links Message-ID: >> I think there was a soldier called "hawkwind" in the movie "Flesh & Blood" >> (by Paul Verhoeven, with Rutger Hauer), but I am not certain. > >skewing slightly to one side I'm sure I heard a Hawkwind reference in >the animation film "Toy Story" (a surprisingly bizarre film actually!) >where the family is walking into Pizza Planet - the doors slide open and >an electronic voice that sounds like it came straight off Brock's solo >album says "The White Zone is for Pizza Eating Only". while talking hawkwind & toys, one can always mention Masters of the Universe, Elric/Stormbringer on the cover to the (at least swedish) Dragons & Dungeons box - and this little conversation I had with a toy store in California a few months back, after an Alta Vista scan for HW: ====================================================== toy: Air Raiders Hawkwind & Twin Lightning Set mib $35. joe: can you please tell me - an old Hawkwind fan - what joe: this HW stuff is about. toy: Its one of the best sets I have seen. Its great for all toy: ages. The trouble is I Sold it last week to a 30 year old. toy: How old is the list you saw ? joe: The list was about mid January, but I got no hurry. joe: What is a "Air Raider Hawkwind"? joe: is there a serie out with the name "Hawkwind" joe: if so, how many different articles? what price range? toy: Air Raiders was a toy line from the 1980s that died toy: It was a great line but anything without a cartoon show toy: dies. The HAWKWIND was an airplane from the line. ======================================================= \\joe From epresley at IU.NET Thu May 9 15:44:08 1996 From: epresley at IU.NET (Eddie W. Presley Jr.) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:44:08 -0400 Subject: BOC: Re Eric and Buck on AOL Message-ID: Alex wrote: [snip] > ...you could rebuilt the world with "what ifs" ! *smile* This makes it sound like they're dead! Maybe it's just that they are so swamped with work (Hot release due in Germany!) we shouldn't expect them to take time out to pass along a handleful of typed material to the list or the faq now and again... From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu May 9 16:18:18 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 16:18:18 -0400 Subject: HW: tenuous links In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960509212652.0757ef7e@eka.ericsson.se> from "Johan Edlundh" at May 9, 96 09:23:16 pm Message-ID: > CHOMP! > > while talking hawkwind & toys, one can always mention Masters of the > Universe, Elric/Stormbringer on the cover to the (at least swedish) Dragons > & Dungeons box - and this little conversation I had with a toy store in > California a few months back, after an Alta Vista scan for HW: > ====================================================== > toy: Air Raiders Hawkwind & Twin Lightning Set mib $35. > > joe: can you please tell me - an old Hawkwind fan - what > joe: this HW stuff is about. > > toy: Its one of the best sets I have seen. Its great for all > toy: ages. The trouble is I Sold it last week to a 30 year old. > toy: How old is the list you saw ? > > joe: The list was about mid January, but I got no hurry. > joe: What is a "Air Raider Hawkwind"? > joe: is there a serie out with the name "Hawkwind" > joe: if so, how many different articles? what price range? > > toy: Air Raiders was a toy line from the 1980s that died > toy: It was a great line but anything without a cartoon show > toy: dies. The HAWKWIND was an airplane from the line. > ======================================================= > > > > \\joe > The nasty thing is that my eldest song got this toy when he was about 3 years old. I think that there may be a bit of it with the Hawkwind sticker still on it somewhere in a toybox somewhere...kinda reminds me of the front cover to HotMG :-) :-/ The Air Raiders claim-to-fame was that they relied on air power to activate the various weapons/features. A rubber/plastic bulb (suitably embelleshed to look "spacey") was the source of air, which was routed out thru plastic tubes to launch rockets, propel vehicles, etc. Squeeze the bulb and look out, aliens!! AJ's (my son) set came from one of the toy liquidators, just in case you might want to try one of those places for one (none of the ones around Atlanta have any of the series, but hey, ya never know...) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Thu May 9 16:27:10 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 16:27:10 -0400 Subject: Jimi's tastes... Message-ID: Theo: >A buddy of mine was convinced Jimi was saying: 'piss the sky!' >Now would that mean the sky was issuing from his unit, or that >he was simply urinating up into the air? Jimi was known for some pretty wild on & offstage antics. Could be either one, depending on "where" he was at the time he wrote it... (P.S.: My one little tiny claim to fame; I drive by his final resting place every day on the way to the office. So I think Jimi thoughts every day...not such a bad thing... =) Paul Allen's Jimi Museum @ The Seattle Center is worth visiting, if you're visiting the Great Wet North. Very visual... "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From stayer at PI.NET Thu May 9 17:26:01 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:26:01 PDT Subject: OFF: All the People That Died Weird Message-ID: >Every one has a sense of humor even the grim reaper. It seems some >people are just plain doomed. If you don't believe it, consider these >weird deaths: I remember a story from a couple of years ago. A guy in Italy was found dead. A big rock had fallen down and killed him, and the chicken he was fornicating... Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu May 9 20:16:57 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 17:16:57 PDT Subject: alternative lyrics... Message-ID: Tune: Beatles - 'Yesterday' New lyrics: In-ter-net all the porn I ever hoped to get twice as kinky as the Penthouse Pet oh, how I love the In-ter-net on my screen in enticed by kiddies pre-thirteen soon I'm reaching for my Vas-e-line oh, IBM's my sex machine when... they're... right up there and they're wear-ing just a smile hey... it's... buns of fun 'cause I'm one sick ped-o-phile In-ter-net where I'm turned by the younger set safer sex I know I just can't get oh, how I love the Internet (from: Mad USA #345, May 1996) Jerry From chriss at MDC.NET Thu May 9 15:18:07 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 20:18:07 +0100 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: >> >I will have a copy on CD yet, whether it be the US or the Scandihoovian >> release. The UK version? If I could find one... >> > >So which is the UK version? When CN came out a friend of mine got the vinyl >which *doesn't* have the "Bones of our Oppressors" bit on WtWC, but my CD >copy does. Which one is the UK effort...(I can't recall if WF fades or not) > I've got an import copy, disc says made in Austria, jewel box says Made in Holland, it has the "Bones of our oppressors" bit. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents worth........ Chris From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu May 9 21:05:25 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 21:05:25 -0400 Subject: HW: must be spring questions Message-ID: QUESTIONS Will I need advance tickets for any of these HW shows?. If so, what would be the best way to procure them. I am thinking about basing out of London and using public transport to and from the shows--is this reliable or is it better to travel city to city with the band. Is there suitable lodgings in the cities Hw will be playing in. What would be the best way to get from England to Holland for the Dutch shows (don't want to fly). Also my doctor tells me I must be in frequent contact with certain green herbs-- what's the availability? regards Bill (I'll sort this fuckin passport business out) Stewart From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Thu May 9 22:23:53 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 22:23:53 -0400 Subject: Brain: Low volume amp!?! Message-ID: Hi John: >Hey Al, which of the amps you mentioned do you all use on stage, and >could you identify who plugs into what? Pete and Billy usually use Boogies on stage. Deb uses the Fender Pro Junior. I use the Carvan Clubmaster. David uses a Hartke head with SWR 10" speakers. Al From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Thu May 9 22:24:10 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 22:24:10 -0400 Subject: Where be da Brain Surgeons? Message-ID: Steve: >What label are the Brain Surgeons on? I've made up my mind that I have to >get their latest and see what it's like, but I doubt that I'll get far at >the record shop with just the name of the band... The label is; Cellsum/Ripe & Ready; Record number, Ripe 2211. Happy hunting! Al From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Thu May 9 22:29:15 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 22:29:15 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: At 09:10 AM 5/9/96 -0400, you wrote: >>Sure Make Rock not War gets me a bit queasy, but Dancin In The Ruins, Perfect >>Water and, yes, and Shadow Warrior are all totally worthwhile efforts. If >>there's a gaff BOC album its probably _Mirrors_ :^) > >here we go again... > >Shall we just do another poll and get it over with? I like Mirrors, I like >it a lot. There's >only about one track on it I don't care for (YNTOIWLF), and the Great Sun >Jester is >one of the reasons I got into BOC in the first place. Indeed. I like Mirrors as well. The Vigil, The Great Sun Jester.. Even Dr. Music & Mirrors are all songs that I enjoy. I like the album better that RBN, FOUO and CN... I would even say that except Cultosaurus Erectus and Mirrors, I'm pretty much blah on everything they did after Spectres, with a few exceptions (on songs, not albums) Of course, I was even bummed when AOF came out, thought it was too mellow at the time, though that one grew on me. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Thu May 9 22:39:16 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 22:39:16 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: John: >If by any chance you do - PLEASE let me know. The UK release on CD is >very rare, if it exists at all -- even Bolle doesn't have a copy of this >(at least, he hadn't as of about 6 months ago). But, I have heard the UK >mix (where "White Flags" doesn't fade out) so I know it exists, at least >on vinyl. I just received a piece of e-mail @ the office, that I forwarded home, from someone who described having found an available version of 'Club Ninja' that does have the fade on 'White Flags.' I'll post more later, after I've exchanged some e-mail with the gentleman... "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Thu May 9 22:39:17 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 22:39:17 -0400 Subject: BOC: Burnin' For You... Message-ID: Andy: >>I know that the song sometimes isn't too popular on here because >>its success is blamed in part with attempts on further albums to be >>more mainstream, but you can't fault the song for that. It remains >>one of my favorites... >I recall DR saying (over on AOL) that he originally wrote it for _Flat Out_, >but was persuaded to let BOC use it. Exactly right. 'Flat Out' would've been even more interesting with it included, and it makes you wonder what would have taken it's place on FoUO... "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri May 10 09:29:41 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 09:29:41 U Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: >> >> If by any chance you do - PLEASE let me know. The UK release on CD is >> very rare, if it exists at all Well I picked up a copy for about seven quid at (I think) HMV in Croydon. > If >there's a gaff BOC album its probably _Mirrors_ :^) Nooooo!! Heretic! ;-) Cheers, Rich. ** All I want for Christmas is a Dukla Prague away kit ** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 10 08:24:02 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:24:02 +0100 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: from "Joseph Brooks" at May 9, 96 10:29:15 pm Message-ID: > > >If there's a gaff BOC album its probably _Mirrors_ :^) > > > >I like Mirrors, I like > >it a lot. There's > >only about one track on it I don't care for (YNTOIWLF), and the Great Sun > >Jester is > >one of the reasons I got into BOC in the first place. > > Indeed. I like Mirrors as well. The Vigil, The Great Sun Jester.. Even Dr. > Music & Mirrors are all songs that I enjoy. Yes indeed! Support for _Mirrors_ here as well! > Of course, I was even bummed when AOF > came out, thought it was too mellow at the time, though that one grew on me. Actually, I don't like a lot of _AoF_ overly much myself. I seldom do more than breeze thru Reaper, ETI, and Not the Summer of Love. Perhaps Tattoo Vampire if I feel adventurous. I guess I'm just a sucker for the catchy riff :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri May 10 08:48:22 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:48:22 +0100 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 May 1996 13:24:02 BST." Message-ID: I wrote - > > > >If there's a gaff BOC album its probably _Mirrors_ :^) was followed up with > > Indeed. I like Mirrors as well. The Vigil, The Great Sun Jester.. Even Dr. > > Music & Mirrors are all songs that I enjoy. > > Yes indeed! Support for _Mirrors_ here as well! > > > Of course, I was even bummed when AOF > > came out, thought it was too mellow at the time, though that one grew on me. Well actually when I typed the line above, my fingers hovered momentarily over the keyboard, wanting to type in "AoF", but I figured that was a bit *too* heretical ;-] Tim From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri May 10 14:09:58 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 14:09:58 BST Subject: HW: must be spring questions In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Thu, 9 May 1996 21:05:25 -0400 Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > QUESTIONS > > Will I need advance tickets for any of these HW shows?. They're not guaranteed to be sold out but do you wanna take the risk of not getting in? > If so, what would be > the best way to procure them. Phone & credit card usually works for me. > I am thinking about basing out of London and > using public transport to and from the shows--is this reliable or is it > better to travel city to city with the band. "British Rail" is synonymous with "reliability" - NOT. If you take the train, take an early one just in case. Buses are usually more reliable if you're not headed into a rush hour traffic jam. > Is there suitable lodgings in > the cities Hw will be playing in. It's usually not too hard to find B&B for between 12 and 20 Pounds outside of London. Best to arrive before 6pm if doing this though, or to phone ahead and book. > What would be the best way to get from > England to Holland for the Dutch shows (don't want to fly). Train via the Channel Tunnel? > Also my doctor tells me I must be in frequent contact with certain green > herbs-- what's the availability? I'm told by folks in the know that there's a drought on here just now. Could be a case of asking around in the pubs before the gig. Gotta be careful doing that though. > regards > Bill (I'll sort this fuckin passport business out) Stewart Good luck. FoFP From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri May 10 10:15:40 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 09:15:40 EST Subject: aof bummage Message-ID: > > > > > Of course, I was even bummed when AOF > > > came out, thought it was too mellow at the time, though that one grew on me. > > Well actually when I typed the line above, my fingers hovered momentarily over > the keyboard, wanting to type in "AoF", but I figured that was a bit *too* > heretical ;-] > > > Tim Yeah, I felt betrayed when AoF came out. After 'Secret' I was expecting a real sledgehammer of an album. Still, it grew on me a lot. The only reason I don't listen to it much anymore is 'cause I played in a band in 78-79 and we covered most of the album. I had to play along with the record so many times I got sick of hearing it no matter how good it was. In retrospect, though, 'Summer' and 'Tattoo' are pretty heavy songs. 'Morning' and 'Tenderloin' are really haunting tunes. Really an excellent departure for them, well followed by Spectres... theo New and noteworthy: King Biscuit Flower Hour Presents: Robin Trower in Concert. From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri May 10 14:13:43 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 14:13:43 U Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: > Yes indeed! Support for _Mirrors_ here as well! >> Of course, I was even bummed when AOF >> came out, thought it was too mellow at the time, though that one grew on me. > Actually, I don't like a lot of _AoF_ overly much myself. I seldom >do more than breeze thru Reaper, ETI, and Not the Summer of Love. Perhaps >Tattoo Vampire if I feel adventurous. > I guess I'm just a sucker for the catchy riff :) Barring CN, I'd have to agree that AoF is probably the weakest album overall, although it's saved by one or two of the strongest songs BOC ever recorded. To be brutally honest, I can't stand True Confessions, and most of the second side, barring RoVG. Thank god for programmable CD players! (And why does the spoken word intro to RoVG *sound* (obviously not the actual words!) remarkably like the intro to the theme from 'Fame'? - or is that just me? :-) Cheers, Rich. ** Supercalifragalisticborussiamunchengladbach ** From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri May 10 14:32:20 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 14:32:20 U Subject: More 80's/90's segue-ing into BOC/HW Message-ID: >Yes- I imagine that might be true- Being from Britain, you might remember >Bad News? My favourite 80's Metal band from Europe. Of course - who can forget such great lyrics as; "Give me another drink Mr. Bartender, If you don't I'm gonna stick your dick in a blender, Coz I, I want to drink 'til I die" >In the 80s I got fed up with "metal", (aside from Metallica, and of course >Bad News) But after the first three albums, Metallica suck *big* time. >and delved into roots blues and stuff like Traffic, Hawkwind, >Jack Bruce, and Bill Frissell and found myself completely ready for Nirvana >and the Pixies. I appreciated the fact that Guns/Roses showed it was OK to >be heavy and not play Bach etudes at 100 km/hr...I got really sick of the >Yngwie Malmsteen stuff. Quite. >Throughout it all, I liked BOC (not discovering Hawkwind until relatively >recently), but interestingly >enough, I never paid any attention to their earlier stuff until the >grunge/punk revival thing came around- the early BOC stuff actually fits >more into that genre than it did with the early '70s, which is why I get so >disappointed that BOC doesn't seem to live up to their potential to make a >sort of underground comeback...Have things come full circle? Or have I >once again gone on a completely insane tangent? No - I'd say you've got a point, but 99% of the 'punk revival' stuff made it quite appealing to listen to those old ABBA albums. Or at least made them look revolutionary. For some *serious* attitude, dig out those old copies of the late 70's/early 80's bands like Crass and Conflict, and then wonder why you ever bought anything by the likes of Offspring or even (dare I say it?) Nirvana. The BOC link I can almost see, but the reason that I can see for the non-revival of BOC is that they are still viewed in most circles as a dinosaur rock band, mainly due to *that* single, and the fact that they can play. It's the 'punk' thing again, the same attitude that buried Slade - good songs, well played, successful, hence they must be shit. Just my two penn'orth. Cheers, Rich. ** Supercalifragalisticborussiamunchengladbach ** From stayer at PI.NET Fri May 10 03:49:10 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:49:10 PDT Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: >>Now that we've established that the vast majority of BOC-Lers >>hate Club Ninja and everything it stands for, might I inquire >>whether anyone would like to sell or trade a copy of CN >>(ideally CD or else cassette)? My Reasons: >>1) It's out of print. >I must chime in with the Toxic Thespian (by the way Tox, when >can we expect Part II?) with a wish to purchase a CD copy of the >dreaded Club Ninja. I have tried, via Goldmine & more mundane >methods, to acquire a copy, to no avail... Ah, Europeans get a break sometimes as well, concerning availability. (Another one if you count the new album not to be released in the US right away.) It's not that difficult to get Club Ninja here, I guess. I have the CD, so I'm not interested in knowing where to find more copies, but I'll have a look around. My copy was about US$ 13. That was the UK release. Now I've got to get the US release for the different mixes. Jerry From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri May 10 15:51:48 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 15:51:48 BST Subject: New Codex and Discography Message-ID: I've updated these for all the latest releases. I'd be grateful if those who know about which versions of tracks arise from which dates would check over it. Those who need it to update Web site copies should email me for the new versions. We'll be getting the Love In Space stuff soon (Hopefully) and I'll update as soon as possible to include it. However, if someoene does get the stuff before me I'd appreciate tracklists and which tracks on the EP match tracks on the LP or are edits of them. Also if someone would type up lyrics from the album cover then we could get the lyrics files up to date too. Cheers FoFP From stayer at PI.NET Fri May 10 03:59:30 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:59:30 PDT Subject: BOC: Where on AOL? Message-ID: >>I'm one of those unfortunate souls who is paying the high hourly >>rates to be on AOL, so I should at least take advantage of BOC's >>presence here...unfortunately, I have no idea how to find that board! >>(AOL's like a maze, sometimes...) Can anybody help me out? >As I am one of the "regulars" on the AOL circuit, I'd be happy >to pass along some information. You will find the music bulletin >boards at Keyword "mmc" (music message center), from there >select "rock/pop", then "A-F", and strike "B" until you see "Blue >Oyster Cult." You might also want to head down to the SWU >folder, which has very recently gained permanent status... =) Also accessible for people like me, ie no account with AOL? Jerry From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri May 10 11:19:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:19:00 EDT Subject: BOC: Where on AOL? Message-ID: >Also accessible for people like me, ie no account with AOL? >Jerry Jerry, if you don't subscribe to AOL, you are SOL. That's the "value" they add that makes people willing to pay. I don't know if they have the 10 or 15 free hour trial over there in the lowlands, but you might want to try that and then say no thanks. Rudy From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Fri May 10 11:50:21 1996 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 08:50:21 -0700 Subject: CN/RBN/Mirrors In-Reply-To: <9605091347.AA23176@zeal> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 May 1996, ross.reyes wrote: > > If there's a gaff BOC album its probably _Mirrors_ :^) > > I agree. The beginning of the end for BOC. The style completely > different than earlier. Text book songs and performance. > > Bloom actually thought he could sing on that album. > > He was good on albums, 1,2,3,4, very natural sounding. > OK on albums 5,6, but hit the voice lessons or something by the time > Mirrors rolled around. He actually thought he could sing. His > voice just got way too clean, his style way too polished from that > album on. > > RR > I don't know about that. It was more the style of all the songs on the album, not just Eric's voice. There were some great songs on Mirrors; The Great Sun Jester for example. Mirrors wasn't the first album with mellow songs on it. Look at The Last Days Of May. -PWW -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Fri May 10 12:00:08 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 09:00:08 -0700 Subject: More 80's/90's segue-ing into BOC/HW Message-ID: >But after the first three albums, Metallica suck *big* time. >The BOC link I can almost see, but the reason that I can see for the >non-revival of BOC is that they are still viewed in most circles as a dinosaur >rock band, mainly due to *that* single, and the fact that they can play. It's >the 'punk' thing again, the same attitude that buried Slade - good songs, well >played, successful, hence they must be shit. Yeah- but I love the old Robert Plant line "This song is dedicated to the worst band in the world: Slade"...after which he laughs and says 'just joking' or something like that. While we're on obscure, but really great British rock- how about Alex Harvey? An amazing talent - a sort of Scottish Frank Zappa. SP "As long as someone wields the whip, someone else will want to kiss it." -G. Gordon Gordon From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri May 10 11:53:47 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:53:47 -0400 Subject: BOC: Where on AOL? Message-ID: >Jerry, if you don't subscribe to AOL, you are SOL. That's the "value" they >add that makes people willing to pay. I don't know if they have the 10 or >15 free hour trial over there in the lowlands, but you might want to try >that and then say no thanks. Are we supposed to make anything of the fact that Eric and Buck use AOL, while Al and Deb use a real provider? Nah, better not. Bolle does also. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri May 10 12:15:53 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 18:15:53 +0200 Subject: New Codex and Discography Message-ID: >I've updated these for all the latest releases. I'd be grateful if those >who know about which versions of tracks arise from which dates would >check over it. Those who need it to update Web site copies should email >me for the new versions. though I don't have a web site to update, I would appreciate browsing the new codex/discography >Cheers > >FoFP cheers - \\joe From stayer at PI.NET Fri May 10 20:49:08 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:49:08 PDT Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: >I just received a piece of e-mail @ the office, that I forwarded home, >from someone who described having found an available version of >'Club Ninja' that does have the fade on 'White Flags.' I'll post more >later, after I've exchanged some e-mail with the gentleman... The CD made in Austria (although the jewel case may claim it's made in Holland) contains WF /with/ fade-out, and WtWC /with/ spoken intro. The jewel case states cat# COL 468715-2, but the inner circle of the CD states CDCBS 26775. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Fri May 10 20:42:37 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:42:37 PDT Subject: OFF: Jimi Message-ID: >(P.S.: My one little tiny claim to fame; I drive by his final resting > place every day on the way to the office. So I think Jimi > thoughts every day...not such a bad thing... =) >Paul Allen's Jimi Museum @ The Seattle Center is worth visiting, >if you're visiting the Great Wet North. Very visual... Tell me more, please! Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Fri May 10 20:36:32 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:36:32 PDT Subject: OFF: misinterpretations (cont'd) Message-ID: [ Hendrix - 'kiss the sky'... ] Theo wrote: >A buddy of mine was convinced Jimi was saying: 'piss the sky!' >Now would that mean the sky was issuing from his unit, or that he was >simply urinating up into the air? :-) That must be the first option - because: 'homo sapiens non urinat in ventum'! Quote taken from a building in Amsterdam (next to the Paradiso, by the way, which seems to be quite legendary), in which is in engraved in yard-high letters. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Fri May 10 20:07:19 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:07:19 PDT Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: >>If there's a gaff BOC album its probably _Mirrors_ :^) >here we go again... >Shall we just do another poll and get it over with? No use. Every once in a while a new subscribor will start the same discussion, and that's OK. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Fri May 10 20:58:53 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:58:53 PDT Subject: HW: must be spring questions Message-ID: Bill, >> What would be the best way to get from >> England to Holland for the Dutch shows (don't want to fly). >Train via the Channel Tunnel? Cheapest is by bus & boat - but it takes a couple of hours. Why don't you want to fly? Just one hour flight. Where will HW play in Holland this time? The last couple of years they've played in Alkmaar (30 miles North of Amsterdam), Heino (too far from Amsterdam, although you already came all the way from the UK), and Amsterdam itself, both the Paradiso and Melkweg. If you're going to Amsterdam, let me know. I will probably go to an Amsterdam gig as well. >> Also my doctor tells me I must be in frequent contact with certain green >> herbs-- what's the availability? >I'm told by folks in the know that there's a drought on here just now. >Could be a case of asking around in the pubs before the gig. Gotta be >careful doing that though. :-) I kind of expected a question like that! I don't have to tell you it's damn easy to get some in Holland, do I? Price: replace the GBP with DFL - the amount is about the same. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Fri May 10 20:20:31 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:20:31 PDT Subject: More 80's/90's segue-ing into BOC/HW Message-ID: >Yes- I imagine that might be true- Being from Britain, you might remember >Bad News? My favourite 80's Metal band from Europe. Bad News? (Well, I'm not from the UK, and I've heard of it as well.) That was actually meant as a joke, wasn't it? What's their names, from various British comedy shows... I thought they made one or two movies, one including their Donnington performance (or was it somewhere else?) - but it still was meant as a joke. It's quite good to listen to, actually - very funny. Jerry From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri May 10 12:48:25 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:48:25 -0400 Subject: BOC: Where on AOL? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/05/96 16:01:15, you write: >Are we supposed to make anything of the fact that Eric and Buck use >AOL, while Al and Deb use a real provider? I thought Deb was at DFrost8547 at aol.com? I'm not sure in what sense AOL isn't a "real provider", unless you're just being snotty. - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri May 10 12:48:34 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:48:34 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: In a message dated 10/05/96 16:33:03, you write: >The CD made in Austria (although the jewel case may claim it's made in >Holland) contains WF /with/ fade-out, and WtWC /with/ spoken intro. > >The jewel case states cat# COL 468715-2, but the inner circle of the CD >states CDCBS 26775. > > That's curious, because my copy has CDCBS 26775 consistently, and the CD says "manufactured in Japan", and the cover is printed in Holland. It seems to be the same as yours, though. What about "Madness..." - fadeout or not? Mine doesn't, but my UK LP does. Who'd be a collector, eh? :) - Andy From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri May 10 17:56:20 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:56:20 BST Subject: HW: must be spring In-Reply-To: bart's message of Thu, 9 May 1996 14:27:28 +0100 Message-ID: bart writes: > Jill sez - > > > > > Can you confirm the date for this one? Is it 23rd or 24th June? > > Hawkwind play Ipswich Corn Exchange monday the 24th June. Starts 8pm. > Tickets 11.50 (standing downstairs, seats on balcony). Support not yet > known. box office either 01473 215544 or 01473 281480. > Natch.... can't make this one then - I'll have exam meetings all day. sigh 8-( > PS Jill, I ain't forgotten about the comet pics, don't worry. Ta. I think the postperson went on holiday for a few days recently - nothing at all arrived and I was afeared he was eating it or losing things back into letter boxes or sommat. jill obWhere'sTheNewAlbumGotTo> Typical Hawkwind 8-( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Fri May 10 12:58:14 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:58:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Covers: HELP! Message-ID: Hi all, Will some kind soul please repost the URL for the web-scanned images of the track lists? I need to doulbe check some track-order details against my notes. THanks! Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 10 13:13:44 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:13:44 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: Jerry writes The CD made in Austria (although the jewel case may claim it's made in Holland) contains WF /with/ fade-out, and WtWC /with/ spoken intro. The jewel case states cat# COL 468715-2, but the inner circle of the CD states CDCBS 26775. This is the Scandanavian mix - I have this particular one (same cat#), so I guess my memory failed as far as the Stern part on WtWC John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 10 13:16:54 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:16:54 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: Andy sez: >That's curious, because my copy has CDCBS 26775 consistently, and the CD says "manufactured in Japan", and the cover is printed in Holland. Also the Scandanavian mix, I believe - this is the version Bolle has. The other one (cat# COL 468715-2) might be an EPIC or "Mr. Collector" re-release, but it is the Scandanavian mix also. John From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Fri May 10 13:25:52 1996 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:25:52 -0400 Subject: More 80's/90's segue-ing into BOC/HW Message-ID: >From: Jerry >Bad News? (Well, I'm not from the UK, and I've heard of it as well.) That was >actually meant as a joke, wasn't it? What's their names, from various British >comedy shows... I thought they made one or two movies, one including their >Donnington performance (or was it somewhere else?) - but it still was meant >as a joke. It's quite good to listen to, actually - very funny. Two movies that I'm aware of: _Bad News_ and _Bad News On Tour_; the latter has their Donnington performance. Available on videotape. I found them to be a pretty pale imitation of Spinal Tap, but they did have a few jokes that were not in Spinal Tap. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From chriss at MDC.NET Fri May 10 09:00:26 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 14:00:26 +0100 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: >The CD made in Austria (although the jewel case may claim it's made in >Holland) contains WF /with/ fade-out, and WtWC /with/ spoken intro. > >The jewel case states cat# COL 468715-2, but the inner circle of the CD >states CDCBS 26775. No, my Jewel box states cat# COL 471210 2, the disc reads as above. There is also a sticker on the Jewel box that says "Sony Music Collectors Choice" Chris From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 10 15:10:36 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 15:10:36 -0400 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: Chris writes: > No, my Jewel box states cat# COL 471210 2, the disc reads as above. There is also a sticker on the Jewel box that says "Sony Music Collectors Choice" You have the U.S. mix - this was, according to Bolle, the U.S. mix that was released in Europe --> I believe the cover is a lighter shade of blue than the U.S. mix released in the U.S. (Cat# CK39979) John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 10 16:34:18 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 21:34:18 +0100 Subject: More 80's/90's segue-ing into BOC/HW In-Reply-To: from "Richard Lockwood" at May 10, 96 02:32:20 pm Message-ID: > No - I'd say you've got a point, but 99% of the 'punk revival' stuff made it > quite appealing to listen to those old ABBA albums. Or at least made them > look revolutionary. For some *serious* attitude, dig out those old copies of > the late 70's/early 80's bands like Crass and Conflict, and then wonder why > you ever bought anything by the likes of Offspring or even (dare I say it?) > Nirvana. Or look up the old Bevis Frond albums--Nick was "grunging" and beyond when Seattle was still a city only American beer afficiados knew about. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 10 16:40:25 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 21:40:25 +0100 Subject: More 80's/90's segue-ing into BOC/HW In-Reply-To: <960510132552.2025d70d@pa.msu.edu> from "John McIntyre" at May 10, 96 01:25:52 pm Message-ID: > Two movies that I'm aware of: _Bad News_ and _Bad News On Tour_; the latter > has their Donnington performance. Available on videotape. I found them > to be a pretty pale imitation of Spinal Tap, but they did have a few jokes > that were not in Spinal Tap. Actually, I enjoyed _Bad News_ almost more than Spinal Tap. Spinal Tap is about a mega-band falling apart and Bad News is about a nowhere band going ... nowhere :) It's probably a _hell_ of a lot funnier if you've ever been in a small-time band, since you can relate to nearly everything that takes place in it ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri May 10 16:48:18 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:48:18 -0400 Subject: Paradox vs. Down through the Night Message-ID: I recently listened to these two back to back, and thought that roughly the second half of each song was quite similar. Are they connected in some way (perhaps in the manner of IOTLBIANS and TR&TB?). The Paradox track was from the "Lord of Light" compilation disc and had a note "Single Mix", recorded at Edmonton Sundown 1/26/74. The DTTN was from "Psychadelic Warlords", which I'm guessing is similar if not the same to the Doremi version... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From jguizar at EPIX.NET Fri May 10 17:12:16 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:12:16 -0400 Subject: OFF / OTHER: misinterpretations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 05/09/96 at 01:33 PM, Paul Mather said: >On Thu, 9 May 1996, Jerry wrote: >> >My favorite is Hendrix's Purple Haze.. "S'cuse me while I kiss this guy >> >> On most performances (including the original) it's 'kiss the sky' alrigh >> But on one video (Berkeley?) I think Hendrix actually says 'kiss this gu >> Hendrix is also grinning in Mitch Mitchell's direction during this line. >Or how about the version of "Purple Haze" on the STAGES _San Diego 69_ CD >where he clearly sings, "'Scuse me while I kiss *that guy*..." [my >emphasis] I guess Hendrix knew the line to be oft-misinterpreted... I like the one where that guy who does the voice effects on Police Academy did his version in a Cheech & Chong movie - something like excuse me while I eat this fly? ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri May 10 17:19:33 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:19:33 -0400 Subject: BOC: Where on AOL? In-Reply-To: <960510124824_395590832@emout12.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at May 10, 96 12:48:25 pm Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > In a message dated 10/05/96 16:01:15, you write: > > >Are we supposed to make anything of the fact that Eric and Buck use > >AOL, while Al and Deb use a real provider? > > I thought Deb was at DFrost8547 at aol.com? > > I'm not sure in what sense AOL isn't a "real provider", unless you're just > being snotty. To a lot of people who have been closely following the growth and development of the Internet, AOL is the Great Net Satan. If you actually care why, there are a varity of newsgoups that would be better suited to the discussion. Email me if interested. Steve swann at panix.com From jguizar at EPIX.NET Fri May 10 17:26:07 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:26:07 -0400 Subject: More 80's/90's segue-ing into BOC/HW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 05/10/96 at 09:34 PM, "Carl E. Anderson" said: >> No - I'd say you've got a point, but 99% of the 'punk revival' stuff mad >> quite appealing to listen to those old ABBA albums. Or at least made th >> look revolutionary. For some *serious* attitude, dig out those old copi >> the late 70's/early 80's bands like Crass and Conflict, and then wonder >> you ever bought anything by the likes of Offspring or even (dare I say i >> Nirvana. > Or look up the old Bevis Frond albums--Nick was "grunging" and >beyond when Seattle was still a city only American beer afficiados knew >about. I don't know about Seattle, but then I drink Grolsch. I'll have to dig a few of those albums up. The punk stuff I listened to in that time frame was Dead Kennedys, Agent Orange, 45 Grave, Christian Death. Of course being a mailman, it's nice once in a while to jump in the car drive by someone who pissed you off and crank up _Stealing Peoples Mail_ ;=) Jerry ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Fri May 10 17:34:37 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:34:37 +0100 Subject: HW videos Message-ID: Anyone out there have any Hawkwind videos to trade. I have all the official ones, plus a few private shot ones...but I need more! E-mail me if you can help out. cheers, Dave From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Fri May 10 20:26:02 1996 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 20:26:02 -0400 Subject: BOC: Buffalo, NY June 23,1996 Message-ID: I see from the "On Tour Forever" Web Page that BOC is coming back to Buffalo on June 23. I live here and have heard absolutely nothing about it. I hope someone can provide me with some more info. I saw them on thnis tour in Niagara Falls, NY and Allentown, PA and I want to see them again!!!! Any help is appreciated... Joe From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri May 10 22:13:41 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:13:41 -0400 Subject: Brain: Low volume amp!?! Message-ID: Al writes: On 8-MAY-1996 09:30:55.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA13391 for >; Tue, 07 May 1996 18:59:51 -0700 (PDT) >Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 19:07:05 -0700 >From: Steve >Subject: Mega-Heavy bands >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >X-Sender: zaius at mail.teleport.com >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Message-id: <199605080159.SAA13391 at desiree.teleport.com> >MIME-version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >>Andy writes; >>>But in the later '80s we got (arguably better) albums like Master of >Puppet s, >>>Reign in Blood, Among the Living, Danzig, Masters of Reality >> >>...and in the early '90s we got (MoR singer Chris Goss produced) >Kyuss!!!!! ! >>The heaviest band ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> -Daniel >My favorite has got to be PileDriver. After I heard that (I still don't >know if it was a joke band or for real) I gave up on spastic speed >metal. >Steve P Ha, ha! "I feel like a human sacrifice. I feel like...like I'm gonna puke!" A bad example of metal. Chuck `[1;34;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat May 11 02:19:07 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 01:19:07 -0500 Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: On 9-MAY-1996 08:56:08.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> >I will have a copy on CD yet, whether it be the US or the >Scandihoovian > release. The UK version? If I could find one... >> >> If by any chance you do - PLEASE let me know. The UK release on CD is >> very rare, if it exists at all -- even Bolle doesn't have a copy of >this > (at least, he hadn't as of about 6 months ago). But, I have >heard the UK > mix (where "White Flags" doesn't fade out) so I know it >exists, at least > on vinyl. >So which is the UK version? When CN came out a friend of mine got the >vinyl which *doesn't* have the "Bones of our Oppressors" bit on WtWC, >but my CD copy does. Which one is the UK effort...(I can't recall if >WF fades or not) >Sure Make Rock not War gets me a bit queasy, but Dancin In The Ruins, >Perfect >Water and, yes, and Shadow Warrior are all totally worthwhile efforts. Right on, finally someone else who has something good to say about "Shadow Warrior". My opinion of CN is very simple; I like three songs -- "Shadow", "Dancin'" and "White Flags". I can't figure out why "Water" is the most touted. This did nothing for me. Chuck >If there's a gaff BOC album its probably _Mirrors_ :^) "Jester" makes it worth 100 bucks. A pretty sub-standard album all around, but "Jester" will always be in my top 5-10 BOC songs. Just gets me in the gut... Chuck `[1;35;43mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat May 11 02:19:19 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 01:19:19 -0500 Subject: CN/RBN/Mirrors Message-ID: On 9-MAY-1996 09:55:58.8 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> If there's a gaff BOC album its probably _Mirrors_ :^) >I agree. The beginning of the end for BOC. The style completely >different than earlier. Text book songs and performance. >Bloom actually thought he could sing on that album. >He was good on albums, 1,2,3,4, very natural sounding. >OK on albums 5,6, but hit the voice lessons or something by the time >Mirrors rolled around. He actually thought he could sing. His >voice just got way too clean, his style way too polished from that >album on. >RR I disagree - I thopught that on "Jester", Eric showed that he COULD sing...and it would have been nice to hear more songs in this really emotive style. I can't think of any other BOC song where Eric comes even close to this performance. I love his heavier/quirkier vocals (hell, the dude is one of my all-time favorite singers; whatever his true character is, I'll always worship him for some reason...), but he just shows on this tune other facets he is capable of... You know how there's that handful of songs that actually sendx a chill down your spine (or something akin to that)? Well, for me, "Jester" is one of those... Chuck `[1;36;41mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Sat May 11 02:37:35 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 02:37:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: Where on AOL? Message-ID: Jerry: >>As I am one of the "regulars" on the AOL circuit, I'd be happy >>to pass along some information. You will find the music bulletin >>boards at Keyword "mmc" (music message center), from there >>select "rock/pop", then "A-F", and strike "B" until you see "Blue >>Oyster Cult." You might also want to head down to the SWU >>folder, which has very recently gained permanent status... =) >Also accessible for people like me, ie no account with AOL? Unfortunately Jerry, no. The only reason that I use AOL is the presence of gentlemen like Buck & Eric, and folks like Chris Fenn & John Roeser, as well as the incomparable Sandy Roeser... I figure the $20 to $30 bucks a month that I spend is worth it, given what I would pay for a flat rate provider, and the fact that I have a UNIX work address, that costs me NOTHING to use for file transfers. Best of both worlds, I must say... =) See you out there... "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Sat May 11 02:37:37 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 02:37:37 -0400 Subject: CN/RBN/Mirrors Message-ID: PW: >>He was good on albums, 1,2,3,4, very natural sounding. >>OK on albums 5,6, but hit the voice lessons or something by the time >>Mirrors rolled around. He actually thought he could sing. His >>voice just got way too clean, his style way too polished from that >>album on. >> RR >I don't know about that. It was more the style of all the songs on the >album, not just Eric's voice. There were some great songs on Mirrors; The >Great Sun Jester for example. Mirrors wasn't the first album with mellow >songs on it. Look at The Last Days Of May. Yes, I agree. But it *was* the Buck-ster singing on the 'Last Days Of May'. (As well as Al & Joe doing the "haunting female harmony" backgrounds... =) I never will live that one down, eh Andrew... =) "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Sat May 11 02:37:43 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 02:37:43 -0400 Subject: BOC: Where on AOL? Message-ID: Andrew: >>Jerry, if you don't subscribe to AOL, you are SOL. That's the "value" they >>add that makes people willing to pay. I don't know if they have the 10 or >>15 free hour trial over there in the lowlands, but you might want to try >>that and then say no thanks. >Are we supposed to make anything of the fact that Eric and Buck use >AOL, while Al and Deb use a real provider? >Nah, better not. Bolle does also. Literacy & AOL are not mutually exclusive. You just have to know what your priorities are... (that would be...BOC!) "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Sat May 11 02:37:46 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 02:37:46 -0400 Subject: More 80's/90's segue-ing into BOC/HW Message-ID: Hey... >Or look up the old Bevis Frond albums--Nick was "grunging" and >beyond when Seattle was still a city only American beer afficiados >knew about. We, the Seattlites, are long-since tired of the term "grunge." It's a colloquialism that the national (US) media latched onto to describe the revival punk sound that raised it's head here during the mid-80's, but didn't break onto the "scene" until Nirvana's "Nevermind" a few years later. Soundgarden & others were putting down the roots years earlier... Music marches on everywhere, and despite where the media has taken the "image", Alice In Chains & Soundgarden have advanced the cause. However, neither of them are BOC... =) "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Sat May 11 02:37:49 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 02:37:49 -0400 Subject: BOC: Where on AOL? Message-ID: Steve: >To a lot of people who have been closely following the growth and >development of the Internet, AOL is the Great Net Satan. If you >actually care why, there are a varity of newsgoups that would be >better suited to the discussion. Email me if interested. Which would make me? (natas?) "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat May 11 03:52:54 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 08:52:54 +0100 Subject: More 80's/90's segue-ing into BOC/HW In-Reply-To: <199605102120.RAA08140@epix.net> from "Jerry Guizar" at May 10, 96 05:26:07 pm Message-ID: > > Or look up the old Bevis Frond albums--Nick was "grunging" and > >beyond when Seattle was still a city only American beer afficiados knew > >about. > > I don't know about Seattle, but then I drink Grolsch. Ah! Seattle was the focus for the great American beer revival in the Northwest. I think it's now being eclipsed by the Northeast, but the beer scene is in a lot of flux in the States right now, since its become trendy. > I'll have to dig > a few of those albums up. The punk stuff I listened to in that time frame > was Dead Kennedys, Agent Orange, 45 Grave, Christian Death. Hmm. Don't know Nick compares to _that_ lot ;) but he does a great job of merging punk verve and rawness with Hendrixoid guitar pyrotechnics, some 60sish folk/psych stylings, and charmingly paranoid and depressed songwriting. As far I I'm concerned, that out grunges the grungers, and is actually intelligent as well. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat May 11 03:59:28 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 08:59:28 +0100 Subject: CN/RBN/Mirrors In-Reply-To: <01I4K82TZUHK8Y5X44@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at May 11, 96 01:19:19 am Message-ID: > I disagree - I thopught that on "Jester", Eric showed that he COULD > sing...and it would have been nice to hear more songs in this really emotive > style. I can't think of any other BOC song where Eric comes even close to > this performance. Veteran of the Psychic Wars? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From HWillman at AOL.COM Sat May 11 06:56:06 1996 From: HWillman at AOL.COM (HWillman at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 06:56:06 -0400 Subject: BOC: Where on AOL? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-10 17:23:46 EDT, you write: >To a lot of people who have been closely following the growth and >development of the Internet, AOL is the Great Net Satan. If you >actually care why, there are a varity of newsgoups that would be >better suited to the discussion. Email me if interested. I kind of agree with the guy who thought the post as "snotty." I use AOL at home, Netscape/Eudora at work. I use both a lot. I can't see how anyone could rate one better than the other. They both do the same thing! -- Howard From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Sat May 11 13:03:00 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 13:03:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: Jimi Message-ID: Jerry: >>(P.S.: My one little tiny claim to fame; I drive by his final resting >> place every day on the way to the office. So I think Jimi >> thoughts every day...not such a bad thing... =) >>Paul Allen's Jimi Museum @ The Seattle Center is worth visiting, >>if you're visiting the Great Wet North. Very visual... >Tell me more, please! I find it amazing that there are still so many folks that remember his birthday. Every year, on his birthday, there is a constant flow of fans to & from his tomb, which is just North & West of the sundial at the Greenwood Memorial Park, in the Renton Highlands. Many people brings tokens & gifts of appreciation, which are respectfully left alone by everyone else. The folks at the cemetary are very understanding, and I think they realize that they have the loose equivalent of Morrison's tomb, here in the States. Jimi's memory lives on here in Seattle in a very large way... The 'Hendrix Museum' that I mentioned was the creation of Paul Allen, the other half of the original Microsoft duo of Allen & Gates. Where Bill has gravitated towards adding buildings to the UW campus, Paul has exercised his interest in sport & music. He currently owns the Portland Trailblazers, and is soon to be the owner of the Seattle Seahawks. His interest in Jimi Hendrix stretched far enough that he recently came to the aid of Al Hendrix, Jimi's dad, with financial help in fighting off some music industry leeches who had "contracted" him out of the way over the years... If you ever find yourself in Seattle, I would recommend a visit to the Hendrix Museum, which is located at the Seattle Center... I wonder if Buck would be interested? =) "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat May 11 14:49:10 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 13:49:10 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawklords and SotA for cheap Message-ID: Guess what popped up in the bargain bin at my local BB? Two copies of Hawklords Live and three (one of which I now own) of Spirit Of The Age (Solstice Remixes), all for just $4.99 each. If anyone wants me to pick up a copy for them, let me know. SotA I got for my Stage B Kollector's badge. I like the last remix the best, the ambient one, but the others are way too techno for me. Possibly the weakest HW item I've bought yet. I'm not even sure it should be filed under the name HW, maybe Astralasia would be more appropriate, since they basically do whatever they want with the tracks AND add their own sounds. Hawklords Live, on the other hand, is a masterpiece, so I'm sure somewhat will want to snag these... Chuck From cando at INDIRECT.COM Sat May 11 00:44:00 1996 From: cando at INDIRECT.COM (James Coburn) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 12:14:00 +0730 Subject: BOC: I'm with Toxic Boy-Looking for CD copy of "lame" Club Ninja. Message-ID: >The toxic boy feels compelled to leap into the miasma and ask: > >Now that we've established that the vast majority of BOC-Lers hate Club >Ninja and everything it stands for, might I inquire whether anyone would >like to sell or trade a copy of CN (ideally CD or else cassette)? My Reasons: > Toxic Boy has an idea that caught my eye - if he gets a CD copy from some one of the "CN is lame-ers" and one of the said mentioned group is disappointed they were unable to sell or trade their CN CD, I'm interested in being next in line. Thanks. James From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Sat May 11 16:17:30 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 13:17:30 -0700 Subject: (Off)Comedy Bands Message-ID: > Actually, I enjoyed _Bad News_ almost more than Spinal Tap. I liked Bad News a lot better- the language is 100% more realistic. >Tap is about a mega-band falling apart and Bad News is about a nowhere >band going ... nowhere :) It's probably a _hell_ of a lot funnier if >you've ever been in a small-time band, since you can relate to nearly >everything that takes place in it ;) All the more so if you've ever worked in a studio and had to record hacks like them-they're out there in spades. The hair-obsessed metal prissy-boys dropping in 2 or three notes into the middle of a minute long guitar solo-as if anyone would notice...the white-trash mentality...the teenage girlfriends (well noone's all bad!) SP "Against that positivism which stops before phenomena, saying 'there are only facts,' I should say: no it is precisely facts that do not exist, only interpretations..." -G. Gordon Gordon From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat May 11 16:44:45 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 16:44:45 -0400 Subject: HW: must be spring questions Message-ID: Can someone please post the names addresses and phone numbers of the venues in Brentwood and Guildford. Will I be stranded there after the show, or will the trains still be running back to London?? Also, what is the relationship in terms of distance, from the train stations to the venues. Are cabs available at these stations, or can I walk? Will Anarch be doin the lights? regards, Bill Stewart From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Sat May 11 20:50:59 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 01:50:59 +0100 Subject: HW videos Message-ID: Hi Everyone! Okay, I received zero replies to my call for HW video traders to get in touch. So...I'm trying again! Someone out there must have some stuff to trade! Main things I'm *desperate* to get are the German TV gig from 1972/3, and Hawklords from Italian TV 1978. I know this is wishful thinking, but maybe someone out there has this stuff!! I have lots of stuff to trade...mainly punk sorta things (about 3000 different items), but some great HW too...just got the Acid Daze gig from '87 (worst time I've ever seen them, but that's not the point!), plus stuff like ICU w/Calvert. Someone please get in touch! I need more HW videos!!!! From stayer at PI.NET Sat May 11 02:13:22 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 23:13:22 PDT Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: Andy, >>The CD made in Austria (although the jewel case may claim it's made in >>Holland) contains WF /with/ fade-out, and WtWC /with/ spoken intro. >>The jewel case states cat# COL 468715-2, but the inner circle of the CD >>states CDCBS 26775. >That's curious, because my copy has CDCBS 26775 consistently, and the CD >"manufactured in Japan", and the cover is printed in Holland. It seems >the same as yours, though. What about "Madness..." - fadeout or not? >Mine doesn't, but my UK LP does. My CD (COL 468715-2, inner circle CDCBS 26775) has Madness, well, slightly fading out, but I guess it's the full version. It has some guitar sounds, then only a single keyboard sound, two hits on the drums, and the keyboard sound fades out. That's not really fading out, is it? My LP has the 26775 number all over; made in England (stated on cover and on labels). I'll have to connect my record player, but I'll check soon. >Who'd be a collector, eh? :) Er... er... er... hum... who, you? Me? I'd buy another CN CD just for a non-fading FW, WtWC without intro and fading MTtM... TTYL, Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sat May 11 02:20:29 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 23:20:29 PDT Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: >>That's curious, because my copy has CDCBS 26775 consistently, and the CD says >"manufactured in Japan", and the cover is printed in Holland. >Also the Scandanavian mix, I believe - this is the version Bolle has. The >other one (cat# COL 468715-2) might be an EPIC or "Mr. Collector" >re-release, but it is the Scandanavian mix also. The COL 468715-2 release has "COLUMBIA" written in large lettering on the back cover, although it was already Sony then. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sat May 11 02:25:35 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 23:25:35 PDT Subject: Club Ninja: Lamest BOC album. Message-ID: >>The jewel case states cat# COL 468715-2, but the inner circle of the CD >>states CDCBS 26775. > No, my Jewel box states cat# COL 471210 2, the disc reads as above. >There is also a sticker on the Jewel box that says "Sony Music Collectors >Choice" Holy shit, another version... The CD however seems to be same. Printed in Austria? The Collectors Choice is obviously a re-release (another one). The songs (White F, War Comes, Madness) are the same? Until now we have, on CD: VERSION 1 * CD: CDCBS 26775, printed in Austria and Japan * Cover: CDCBS 26775, printed in Holland COL 468715-2, printed in ?? (not stated on cover) COL 471210-2, printed in ??, "Sony Music Collectors Choice" * Songs: White Flags, fade-out When the War Comes, with spoken intro Madness To the Method, no fade-out Someone's got any additions to this list? Especially different versions, of course! Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sat May 11 02:43:42 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 23:43:42 PDT Subject: BOC: Club Ninja versions Message-ID: Ah, another one. Same mix I presume. Blue Oyster Cult - Club Ninja VERSION 1 * CD: CDCBS 26775, printed in Austria and Japan * Cover: CDCBS 26775, printed in Holland COL 468715-2, printed in ?? (not stated on cover) COL 471210-2, printed in ??, "Sony Music Collectors Choice", US mix released in Europe CK 39979, printed in ??, US mix released in US * Songs: White Flags, fade-out When the War Comes, with spoken intro Madness To the Method, no fade-out Jerry From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun May 12 05:48:43 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 10:48:43 +0100 Subject: (Off)Comedy Bands In-Reply-To: <199605112009.NAA17078@desiree.teleport.com> from "Steve" at May 11, 96 01:17:30 pm Message-ID: > >Tap is about a mega-band falling apart and Bad News is about a nowhere > >band going ... nowhere :) It's probably a _hell_ of a lot funnier if > >you've ever been in a small-time band, since you can relate to nearly > >everything that takes place in it ;) > > All the more so if you've ever worked in a studio and had to record hacks > like them-they're out there in spades. The hair-obsessed metal prissy-boys > dropping in 2 or three notes into the middle of a minute long guitar > solo-as if anyone would notice... Actually, I think it was the legendary bass player Colin Grigson (ie. Ric Mayall) dropping in under a solo from the legendary guitar player Vim Fuego (ie. Ade Edmondson): "Colin, you didn't go ba-da-da." "I did! Not the first time, but the second time I went ba-da-da like a fury!" "Well, we're going to drop you in for the second ba-da-da." "I'd like to drop you in the ba-da-da!" ;) I was dying of hysteria right there :) And (like Spinal Tap) they wrote the songs (well, Adrian did, mostly) and performed them (badly :). Well, actually on most of the tracks I think Ade Edmondson played bass as well as guitar since Ric Mayall really _can't_ play bass ;). But Peter Richardson sounded like quite a decent drummer and Ade is a fairly decent guitar player when he isn't in "crap guitar hero wannabe" mode. Plus, they were produced by Brian May, and do a cover of "Bohemian Rhapsody" which is _painfully_ bad :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From stayer at PI.NET Sun May 12 07:23:25 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 04:23:25 PDT Subject: OFF / OTHER: misinterpretations Message-ID: Jerry (the other one), [ 'scuse me while I kiss this guy ] > I like the one where that guy who does the voice effects on Police >Academy did his version in a Cheech & Chong movie - something like excuse >me while I eat this fly? Hey, I never knew this. Which C&C film is this? Jerry (the other one) From stayer at PI.NET Sun May 12 08:00:34 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 05:00:34 PDT Subject: OFF: Jimi Message-ID: >>>Paul Allen's Jimi Museum @ The Seattle Center is worth visiting, >>>if you're visiting the Great Wet North. Very visual... >>Tell me more, please! >The folks at the cemetary are very understanding, >and I think they realize that they have the loose equivalent of Morrison's >tomb, here in the States. Jimi's memory lives on here in Seattle in a >very large way... Er, I hope that people in Seattle behave very differently from the people visiting Morrison's grave in Pere Lachaise, Paris. I've been there twice now, and it's a complete mess. Terrible. OK, it's nice to see so many people bonded peacefully by someone's absence, but the mess they leave is a disgrace. Every, and I mean /every/ tomb in a 100 yards area is marked "Jim ->" or likewise. It's nearly thirty years now since he was buried there (if he ever was, of course :-) ), and the people of the cemetary do not want to have him another thrity years (it's done with thirty years contracts - don't know how it works in the US). So, people in LA planned to get his tomb (or what's left of it) over to LA. Hope the Doors will play there :-) >The 'Hendrix Museum' that I mentioned was the creation of Paul Allen, .. Fascinating! >If you ever find yourself in Seattle, I would recommend a visit to the >Hendrix Museum, which is located at the Seattle Center... That would be a reason to visit Seattle once... I saw parts of California and Nevada (South West) last Summer - North West is next. Or North East? :-) >I wonder if Buck would be interested? =) I wonder... Jerry From epresley at IU.NET Sun May 12 10:28:35 1996 From: epresley at IU.NET (Eddie W. Presley Jr.) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 10:28:35 -0400 Subject: OFF Re: Where on AOL? Message-ID: HWillman at AOL.COM wrote: >>To a lot of people who have been closely following the growth and >>development of the Internet, AOL is the Great Net Satan. > >I kind of agree with the guy who thought the post as "snotty." I use AOL >at home, Netscape/Eudora at work. I use both a lot. I can't see how >anyone could rate one better than the other. They both do the same >thing! Well, they don't do the same thing. AOL is an online service that is routinely known for charging above and beyond the call of duty for access to (poor) internet tools, where as, ISP's are generally much more generous in the amount of time they allow online per dollar paid. AOL is also known for its FBI stings and for its privacy violations. ISP's don't have quite the same ongoing obsession to make sure that the only things you see and do online are 'G'-rated. While not ever 'provable', I've had discussions with people relating ancedotes of AOL peering at people's internal e-mail as well as having the ability to go through customer's downloads. So between the cost, the potential lack of privacy and e-mail security, plus the crappy net tools (3 million people paying $9 a month, and that's the best browser they could come up with? And where is the WIN '95 version of AOL?) they are seen as quite the bad guy. I think AOL is great for first timers and those wishing to see if the 'net is 'for them', and there are those who can get access no other way, but for the majority of people I would definately recommend an ISP before AOL or any online service. Sorry if this repetitious with other posts. From stayer at PI.NET Sun May 12 18:30:27 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 15:30:27 PDT Subject: (Off)Comedy Bands Message-ID: Carl wrote: [ Bad News ] > Plus, they were produced by Brian May, and do a cover of "Bohemian >Rhapsody" which is _painfully_ bad :) That was marvellous! Marvellously funny, that is. I saw the video on MTV of that many years ago. Hilarious! Jerry From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Sun May 12 17:40:42 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 17:40:42 BST Subject: HW: must be spring questions Message-ID: > > > What would be the best way to get from > > England to Holland for the Dutch shows (don't want to fly). > > Train via the Channel Tunnel? > I read somewhere (time magazine I think) that there is a new express bus service which runs from London to Amsterdam (and Paris) starting this month. It said that the London-Amsterdam leg would take just four hours, which sounds remarkably quick to me. However it does cost about the same as flying (80-90 pounds). bye - Rob From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sun May 12 14:05:18 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 14:05:18 -0400 Subject: OFF / OTHER: misinterpretations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 05/12/96 at 04:23 AM, Jerry said: >Jerry (the other one), >[ 'scuse me while I kiss this guy ] >> I like the one where that guy who does the voice effects on Police >>Academy did his version in a Cheech & Chong movie - something like excuse >>me while I eat this fly? >Hey, I never knew this. Which C&C film is this? I think it was _Up in Smoke_. They were on their way to a band competition in a van made of Mexican weed. They had a few people playing before C&C (Chong wore a pink tutu). ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sun May 12 14:09:55 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 14:09:55 -0400 Subject: More 80's/90's segue-ing into BOC/HW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 05/11/96 at 08:52 AM, "Carl E. Anderson" said: >> I'll have to dig >> a few of those albums up. The punk stuff I listened to in that time fram >> was Dead Kennedys, Agent Orange, 45 Grave, Christian Death. > Hmm. Don't know Nick compares to _that_ lot ;) but he does a >great job of merging punk verve and rawness with Hendrixoid guitar >pyrotechnics, some 60sish folk/psych stylings, and charmingly paranoid >and depressed songwriting. As far I I'm concerned, that out grunges the >grungers, and is actually intelligent as well. After a description like that, I don't know how I can avoid listening to them now. :) ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun May 12 14:29:05 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:29:05 +0100 Subject: More 80's/90's segue-ing into BOC/HW In-Reply-To: <199605121804.OAA22146@epix.net> from "Jerry Guizar" at May 12, 96 02:09:55 pm Message-ID: > >> I'll have to dig > >> a few of those albums up. The punk stuff I listened to in that time fram > >> was Dead Kennedys, Agent Orange, 45 Grave, Christian Death. > > > Hmm. Don't know Nick compares to _that_ lot ;) but he does a > >great job of merging punk verve and rawness with Hendrixoid guitar > >pyrotechnics, some 60sish folk/psych stylings, and charmingly paranoid > >and depressed songwriting. As far I I'm concerned, that out grunges the > >grungers, and is actually intelligent as well. > > After a description like that, I don't know how I can avoid listening > to them now. :) Try the latest _Superseeder_ album. Also recommended is _New River Head_ or (by me, anyway) _Any Gas Faster_. Nicks first full Bevis album might have been in 86 or 87 or so--I think his second was 88? It was pretty low-budget :) _Superseeder_ is from last autumn. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From mbraun at RAYGUN.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM Sun May 12 14:53:19 1996 From: mbraun at RAYGUN.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 13:53:19 CDT Subject: The Great Net Satan In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 12 May 96 05:00:01 EDT." <199605120900.FAA23444@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: HWillman at AOL.COM writes: [that Steve Swann wrote:] >>To a lot of people who have been closely following the growth and >>development of the Internet, AOL is the Great Net Satan. If you >>actually care why, there are a varity of newsgoups that would be >>better suited to the discussion. Email me if interested. > >I kind of agree with the guy who thought the post as "snotty." I use AOL at >home, Netscape/Eudora at work. I use both a lot. I can't see how anyone >could rate one better than the other. They both do the same thing! I think you misunderstand--AOL isn't the Great Net Satan because of the functionality of their software, or the guests they sport on their forums, their "rooms", or even their (not as exhorbitant as Compu$erve) rates. They are The Great Net Satan for what they have done to/made of the Internet by bringing to it the great unwashed (present company excepted, of course.:-)) (Ah that the good old days could be here again... :-)) m@ +-mbraun at urbana.mcd.mot.com-+-- Won't get a chance to drink myself ------[MB]-+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Into a tragic fall into the grave | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Love to go out in a blaze of glory | +--Dangerous Projects Team--+--- But it looks like I'll just fade away -----+ From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Sun May 12 20:30:57 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 17:30:57 -0700 Subject: BRAIN: Dave's adoption In-Reply-To: <318D9074@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 May 1996, Rudich, Robert A wrote: > Are they getting a boy or a girl? More a question based on the difference > in Chinese cultural views than anything else. In other words, if they got a > boy, would it have been easier to get a girl? In either case, congrats to > David and his wife. It can be quite an ordeal to wrestle with China's > bureaucracy. > > Rudy > There was an NPR report on Chinese adoption, and apparently >90% of All Chinese orphan adoptions are girls, since the culture espouses abandonment instead of keeping girl children. Dreadful! Ethnocentrically yours, Jazzman From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Sun May 12 20:35:37 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 17:35:37 -0700 Subject: BOC and the X-Files In-Reply-To: <199605062259.SAA08691@digital.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 May 1996, Shawn Quinn wrote: > The following text is a post I put on the BOC folder on AOL a few weeks ago. > Not many people followed up on this - in fact no one. Anyway, I was > standing in the Atlanta airport yesterday and noticed the latest Rolling > Stone with a cover article about the X-files and a side aticle on how the > show's produces are looking for some musical input from various bands...so I > thought I would give it spin on BOC-L... > > BOC on the X-files > > I've brought this idea up to the band a few times over the last couple of > years - It would be an excellent platform for building a new fan base - and > could be a justification to get the boys on Jay Leno/SNL etc...and a record > contract. > > Several complete episodes could be derived from a number of songs - Take Me > Away and ETI are obvious. The story line in the Subhuman would be make a > great episode -- people disappearing from a small Long Island town just to > join the oyster boys...maybe have a section with the band playing the song > in a local bar describing the 'legend' of the Blue Oyster Cult. etc., > etc., etc., I don't know who is managing the band these days - but I sure > as hell would be making a few phone calls to the right to people to pull > this off. I've heard X-file writers take ideas from various X-file i-net > groups and use them in the show occasionally. A two pronged attack in this > case would be effective - the fan base email-ing the X-file i-net groups and > the BOC management (or the band ! - I've heard Eric a couple of times over > the years express an interest in getting into sci-fi movies) making the > 'high level' contacts. > > This is not impossible - just may take some persistence. Besides, I've > noticed the writing in some of the more recent shows has been a little weak. > They could an infusion of creativity - and BOC and all of the band stands > for fits the need perfectly. If this idea works - it could lead to a > multi-episode deal - where the same thread appears periodically. > > Just a few thoughts. > > Shawn > > PS - The Brain Surgeons should try to jump on this opportunity as well - > especially since Albert wrote a majority of the X-file-ish songs. > Isn't there an x-files website called (strangely enough - stranedays.com?) From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon May 13 00:33:19 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 00:33:19 -0400 Subject: CN/RBN/Mirrors Message-ID: >I disagree - I thopught that on "Jester", Eric showed that he COULD >sing...and it would have been nice to hear more songs in this really emotive >style. I can't think of any other BOC song where Eric comes even close to >this performance. I love his heavier/quirkier vocals (hell, the dude is one >of my all-time favorite singers; whatever his true character is, I'll always >worship him for some reason...), but he just shows on this tune other >facets he is capable of... I agree with this 100%. My other favorite vocal performance of his was on the ETL version of VotPW, which absolutely ruined the FOUO version for me. Every time I hear that one I wish I was listening to the live one. (Buck's solo doesn't hurt either . Yeah, I know, it was post-Al, but the drums were pretty simple on this one...) =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Mon May 13 00:42:09 1996 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 20:42:09 -0800 Subject: OFF / OTHER: misinterpretations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 12 May 1996, Jerry wrote: > > I like the one where that guy who does the voice effects on Police > >Academy did his version in a Cheech & Chong movie - something like excuse > >me while I eat this fly? > > Hey, I never knew this. Which C&C film is this? It is C&C's Nice Dreams and the sequence occurs near the end of the movie when C&C meet Timothy Leary and he gives them acid. -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon May 13 00:53:07 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 00:53:07 -0400 Subject: (Off)Comedy Bands Message-ID: And (like Spinal Tap) they wrote the songs (well, Adrian did, >mostly) and performed them (badly :). Well, actually on most of the >tracks I think Ade Edmondson played bass as well as guitar since >Ric Mayall really _can't_ play bass ;). But Peter Richardson sounded like >quite a decent drummer and Ade is a fairly decent guitar player when >he isn't in "crap guitar hero wannabe" mode. > Plus, they were produced by Brian May, and do a cover of "Bohemian >Rhapsody" which is _painfully_ bad :) Could we consider Dread Zeppelin a comedy band? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon May 13 00:53:09 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 00:53:09 -0400 Subject: The Great Net Satan Message-ID: >>I kind of agree with the guy who thought the post as "snotty." I use AOL at >>home, Netscape/Eudora at work. I use both a lot. I can't see how anyone >>could rate one better than the other. They both do the same thing! > >are The Great Net Satan for what they have done to/made of the Internet by >bringing to it the great unwashed (present company excepted, of course.:-)) etc. I posted that first post on this, and regret it immensely because it leads to all this discussion which has nothing to do with BOC or Hawkwind, and I'd prefer if we could just forget it.... It was intended more in humor than any- thing else.... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon May 13 02:06:46 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 01:06:46 -0500 Subject: OFF / OTHER: misinterpretations Message-ID: On 10-MAY-1996 17:18:37.8 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >In , on >05/09/96 at 01:33 PM, >Paul Mather said: >>On Thu, 9 May 1996, Jerry wrote: >>> >My favorite is Hendrix's Purple Haze.. "S'cuse me while I kiss >this guy >> >>> On most performances (including the original) it's 'kiss the sky' >alrigh >> But on one video (Berkeley?) I think Hendrix actually says >'kiss this gu >> Hendrix is also grinning in Mitch Mitchell's >direction during this line. >>Or how about the version of "Purple Haze" on the STAGES _San Diego >69_ CD >where he clearly sings, "'Scuse me while I kiss *that guy*..." >[my >emphasis] I guess Hendrix knew the line to be >oft-misinterpreted... >I like the one where that guy who does the voice effects on Police >Academy did his version in a Cheech & Chong movie - something like >excuse me while I eat this fly? >----------------------------------------------------------- >jguizar at epix.net >----------------------------------------------------------- "Purple Haze all in my brain, what's this negro doin' on the stage? I keep runnin' but I don't know why, 'scuse me while I kiss this fly". Then the fly squeals "Help me" in a high-pitched whine, which I guess is a referrence to the movie "The Fly" but damned if this ain't REALLY off topic... :) Chuck `[1;33;43mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon May 13 02:48:40 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 01:48:40 -0500 Subject: CN/RBN/Mirrors Message-ID: On 11-MAY-1996 04:02:30.1 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >11 May 1996 08:59 -0300 (BST) >Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 08:59:28 +0100 >From: "Carl E. Anderson" >Subject: Re: CN/RBN/Mirrors >In-reply-to: <01I4K82TZUHK8Y5X44 at delphi.com> from ><"HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM"@Ma y> >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Message-id: >MIME-version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >> I disagree - I thopught that on "Jester", Eric showed that he COULD >> sing...and it would have been nice to hear more songs in this really >emotiv e >> style. I can't think of any other BOC song where Eric comes even >close to > this performance. >Veteran of the Psychic Wars? >Cheers, >Carl Okay, CLOSE...but no cigar. :) Good point, though. Chuck >************************************************************************ >Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. >Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out >wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come >the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk >-Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) >************************************************************************ `[1;35;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon May 13 02:49:02 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 01:49:02 -0500 Subject: OFF / OTHER: misinterpretations Message-ID: On 12-MAY-1996 14:13:01.6 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >In , on 05/12/96 at 04:23 AM, >Jerry said: >>Jerry (the other one), >>[ 'scuse me while I kiss this guy ] >>> I like the one where that guy who does the voice effects on Police >>>Academy did his version in a Cheech & Chong movie - something like >excuse >>me while I eat this fly? >>Hey, I never knew this. Which C&C film is this? >I think it was _Up in Smoke_. They were on their way to a band >competition in a van made of Mexican weed. They had a few people playing >before C&C (Chong wore a pink tutu). >----------------------------------------------------------- >jguizar at epix.net >----------------------------------------------------------- Nope, that scene is from Up & Smoke, but the Jimi scene is from "Nice Dreams". Chuck `[1;32;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon May 13 02:49:30 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 01:49:30 -0500 Subject: (Off)Comedy Bands Message-ID: On 13-MAY-1996 01:04:11.7 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >And (like Spinal Tap) they wrote the songs (well, Adrian did, >>mostly) and performed them (badly :). Well, actually on most of the >>tracks I think Ade Edmondson played bass as well as guitar since >>Ric Mayall really _can't_ play bass ;). But Peter Richardson sounded >like >quite a decent drummer and Ade is a fairly decent guitar player >when >he isn't in "crap guitar hero wannabe" mode. >> Plus, they were produced by Brian May, and do a cover of >"Bohemian >Rhapsody" which is _painfully_ bad :) >Could we consider Dread Zeppelin a comedy band? Dunno, but I certainly consider The Mentors to be a comedy band. Dayglo Abortions aren't bad either. (Perverted comedy, though.) Chuck `[1;35;41mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Mon May 13 03:20:35 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 03:20:35 -0400 Subject: The Great Net Satan Message-ID: Andrew: >I posted that first post on this, and regret it immensely because >it leads to all this discussion which has nothing to do with BOC >or Hawkwind, and I'd prefer if we could just forget it.... It was >intended more in humor than anything else.... Hear Hear! (natas) "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From Niko.Makila at CSC.FI Mon May 13 03:55:29 1996 From: Niko.Makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:55:29 +0300 Subject: (Off)Comedy Bands In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 12 May 1996 10:48:43 BST." Message-ID: About Bad News... Carl's message dated: Sun, 12 May 1996 10:48:43 BST > > Plus, they were produced by Brian May, and do a cover of "Bohemian > Rhapsody" which is _painfully_ bad :) Now that one I didn't even remember. Does anyone know if the Bad News saga is available on video? Is there a soundtrack album? And I just have to second that Bad News is even better than Spinal Tap. //niko From makila at CSC.FI Mon May 13 03:56:11 1996 From: makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:56:11 +0300 Subject: HW: Urban Guerrilla, the Finnish version Message-ID: I don't remember if the Finnish version of Urban Guerrilla was included in the cover versions tape. Anyway I recently purchased a CD that contains everything the punk band Kollaa Kestaa ever did. One of the songs is indeed "Urban Guerrilla" or "Kaupunkisissi" in Finnish -- a straight translation. So how is it like? Well, first of all this *is* a punk band. The don't play well, they don't sing well, but somehow I find that stuff really fresh and honest. I mean, the don't even *try* to be good. Still there are some really good tracks ("Kaupunkisissi" is maybe not one of them...) and all is in Finnish. To say this all in short: you probably wouldn't recognize the song as "Urban Guerrilla" if someone didn't tell you. Anyway, the CD should be quite easy to get, so if anyone is interested (any Kollectors around, eh?), a trade might be possible. //niko From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon May 13 10:26:06 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:26:06 BST Subject: HW videos In-Reply-To: gingoblin@easynet.co.uk's message of Fri, 10 May 1996 22:34:37 +0100 Message-ID: gingoblin at easynet.co.uk writes: > Anyone out there have any Hawkwind videos to trade. I have all the official > ones, plus a few private shot ones...but I need more! E-mail me if you can > help out. > cheers, > Dave Send me your list please? Cheers FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon May 13 10:29:39 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:29:39 BST Subject: HW: must be spring questions In-Reply-To: Rob Stuckey's message of Sun, 12 May 1996 17:40:42 BST Message-ID: Rob Stuckey writes: > > > > > What would be the best way to get from > > > England to Holland for the Dutch shows (don't want to fly). > > > > Train via the Channel Tunnel? > > > > I read somewhere (time magazine I think) that there is a new > express bus service which runs from London to Amsterdam (and Paris) > starting this month. > It said that the London-Amsterdam leg would take just four hours, > which sounds remarkably quick to me. However it does cost about the > same as flying (80-90 pounds). Does it go on one of them ferries that travel upside down? > bye - Rob FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon May 13 07:25:39 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:25:39 +0100 Subject: (Off)Comedy Bands In-Reply-To: <199605130755.KAA12378@voxopm.minedu.fi> from "Niko Makila" at May 13, 96 10:55:29 am Message-ID: > > Plus, they were produced by Brian May, and do a cover of "Bohemian > > Rhapsody" which is _painfully_ bad :) > > Now that one I didn't even remember. Does anyone know if the Bad News > saga is available on video? Is there a soundtrack album? The video is available on NTSC and PAL at least--the US label is Rhino, don't know about Britain. I know Rhino still carries the CD, which has extra musical and comedy sequences. Dunno if the CD is still available in the UK. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Mon May 13 09:05:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 08:05:00 -0500 Subject: Kadu Flyer Message-ID: Hello Hawkfans, I spoke to Chris Bruce in person the other day and the Kadu Flyer is not dead and will be mailing out a postcard on June 1st about the next flyer. To receive a copy one will need to send an SASE in the US. Don't send anything yet. On the Hawkwind front, Chris said that a 5 CD box set of the remasters was going to be released soon, which contained all the CD's in one package. That is all the news that he had.. For Arc Met fans, he is going to be doing the final mixes on their new CD in the next few weeks. Scott ObCassette: Fu Manchu- In search of....... From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Mon May 13 14:41:02 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:41:02 -0500 Subject: HW: US Covers: Update on $ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: Hi everyone, I thought I'd update you all on the status of $ rec'd so far. I've gotten $ from Karl Hiller, Doug Bates, John McIntyre, Randy Abeck, Keith Henderson, Mike McCollum, Jeff Riedle, Jerry Guizar, Ron Jennings, Chris Boxley, Chris Steir, Frank Weil, Alan Siebert, Andy Apold, Wylie Stone, and Stephen Lindsey. Thanks for being so prompt! (The Amex bill has already been paid...a $385 ouch). > We're still waiting on word on the IQ cover from Jerry as to whether or > not it'll be in the set after all (not rec'd yet thought its on the tape > labels). I got the tape from Jerry (thanks!) and sent a copy off to Dave. Right now, all I'm waiting on before beginning duplication is the final resolution of a discrepancy or two about song order, which should be taken care of soon, one way or the other. I've not received funds from the following folks yet: do please send them in ASAP, as the tapes are only slightly more than 1/2 paid off thus far... > >Just how many list members want a set? From: donnell at epx.cis.umn.edu (brian) From: Hawkwind00 at aol.com (ray) From: Paul Mather From: Martyn White From: Richard Crump From: John Majka From: John McCartney From: "David B. Kuznick" From: Duane Hoyt From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM From: Stephen Swann I have rec'd email from some of you, stating that the check's in the mail, but if so, I've not rec'd it yet :-) Thanks, Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Mon May 13 16:43:09 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 16:43:09 -0400 Subject: OFF / OTHER: misinterpretations In-Reply-To: <01I4N1OGJE9Q8Y6H29@delphi.com> Message-ID: In <01I4N1OGJE9Q8Y6H29 at delphi.com>, on 05/13/96 at 01:49 AM, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM said: > >>Hey, I never knew this. Which C&C film is this? > >I think it was _Up in Smoke_. They were on their way to a band > >competition in a van made of Mexican weed. They had a few people >playing > >before C&C (Chong wore a pink tutu). >Nope, that scene is from Up & Smoke, but the Jimi scene is from "Nice >Dreams". It's been so long since I saw those movies. Is Nice Dreams the one where Stacy Keach starts turning into a lizard? ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon May 13 17:41:05 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:41:05 +1100 Subject: OFF: Adrian Shaw _Tea Time for Hydra_ Message-ID: I just got my copy of it ...... BBBBBb U U Y Y I TTTTTTT ! B b U U Y Y I T ! BBBBBb U U Y I T ! B b U U Y I T ! BBBBBb UUUUU Y I T O Paul/Soniqu? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon May 13 18:12:45 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:12:45 +1100 Subject: HW: Postal Code Message-ID: Does anyone know the postal code for Hawkwind Merchandise? I have their address as: PO Box 28 Honiton Devon Please reply to paul at pcmicro.com.au ..... I need to send a letter today if possible ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue May 14 00:04:41 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 00:04:41 -0400 Subject: OFF: Doctor Who on Fox!?! Message-ID: There have been ads running during the sweeps for a movie premier showing this Tuesday of "Doctor Who"---on Fox of all stations! It stars Paul McGann as The Doctor, and I hear that Sylvester McCoy has a cameo. I was wondering if this was being made in collaboration with the BBC?? Who wrote the script? Is it being shown in the UK? Since Fox is a Murdoch organ, maybe it will surface on Sky? Going by the trailers, it looks more "hollywood skiffy epic" than Dr. Who. I can't really see Dr. Who translating very well across the Atlantic for a general audience over here. Oh well, I guess I'll see tomorrow... Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Tragically Hip, _Day For Night_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue May 14 02:41:18 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 01:41:18 -0500 Subject: OFF / OTHER: misinterpretations Message-ID: On 13-MAY-1996 16:53:15.6 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >In <01I4N1OGJE9Q8Y6H29 at delphi.com>, on 05/13/96 at 01:49 AM, >HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM said: >> >>Hey, I never knew this. Which C&C film is this? >> >I think it was _Up in Smoke_. They were on their way to a band >> >competition in a van made of Mexican weed. They had a few people >>playing >> >before C&C (Chong wore a pink tutu). >>Nope, that scene is from Up & Smoke, but the Jimi scene is from "Nice >>Dreams". >It's been so long since I saw those movies. Is Nice Dreams the one >where Stacy Keach starts turning into a lizard? >----------------------------------------------------------- >jguizar at epix.net >----------------------------------------------------------- That's the one. A particular strain of marijuana would turn people into lizards if smoked. They sold it out of an ice-cream truck. Chuck `[1;31;46mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From mmeese at HOME.STLNET.COM Tue May 14 01:56:52 1996 From: mmeese at HOME.STLNET.COM (Mike Miesner) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 00:56:52 -0500 Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE Message-ID: At 12:04 AM 5/14/96 -0400, you wrote: >There have been ads running during the sweeps for a movie premier showing >this Tuesday of "Doctor Who"---on Fox of all stations! It stars Paul >McGann as The Doctor, and I hear that Sylvester McCoy has a cameo. I was >wondering if this was being made in collaboration with the BBC?? Who >wrote the script? Is it being shown in the UK? Since Fox is a Murdoch >organ, maybe it will surface on Sky? > >Going by the trailers, it looks more "hollywood skiffy epic" than Dr. >Who. I can't really see Dr. Who translating very well across the Atlantic >for a general audience over here. Oh well, I guess I'll see tomorrow... > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >obCD: The Tragically Hip, _Day For Night_ > >e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. > This proves to me that this group is part of the get a life crowd. Get with it folks !!! Bands whose hey days where 20 years in the past and sold 50 or sixty albums dont deserve this much band width. Im a fan of boc I saw them in concert and bought their albums...but its a band, not a way of life. It seems that you folks take this WAY too seriously. I enjoy a good tune as much as the next guy (or gal) I wish the Brain Surgeons the best of luck, but spending so much time deciding what track on what album meant what....c'mon folks it only rock and roll. I will stay subscribed to this for a couple more days to take the abuse I'm sure to get and then I'm out of here telling you, all get a life!!! mike From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Tue May 14 02:21:46 1996 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Brand) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 01:21:46 -0500 Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE In-Reply-To: <199605140556.AAA15723@home.stlnet.com> Message-ID: Troll, troll, troll in the hay! A troll wrote: > telling you, all get a life!!! > mike I have to chuckle whenever someone pulls this one. If you have nothing better to do than make fun of other people's hobbies, then your own life must be even more empty than you seem to think ours are. Bye now, Brand From mmeese at HOME.STLNET.COM Tue May 14 02:32:22 1996 From: mmeese at HOME.STLNET.COM (Mike Miesner) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 01:32:22 -0500 Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE Message-ID: At 01:21 AM 5/14/96 -0500, you wrote: >Troll, troll, troll in the hay! > >A troll wrote: > >> telling you, all get a life!!! >> mike > >I have to chuckle whenever someone pulls this one. > >If you have nothing better to do than make fun of other people's hobbies, >then your own life must be even more empty than you seem to think ours are. > >Bye now, > >Brand > Not making fun stating opinion, thats why Im out of here I have a life From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Tue May 14 02:44:37 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 02:44:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: GET A LIFE Message-ID: Mike: >This proves to me that this group is part of the get a life crowd. >Get with it folks! Bands whose hey days where 20 years in the >past and sold 50 or sixty albums dont deserve this much band >width. Im a fan of boc I saw them in concert and bought their >albums...but its a band, not a way of life. It seems that you >folks take this WAY too seriously. I enjoy a good tune as much >as the next guy (or gal) I wish the Brain Surgeons the best of >luck, but spending so much time deciding what track on what >album meant what....c'mon folks it only rock and roll. I will stay >subscribed to this for a couple more days to take the abuse I'm >sure to get and then I'm out of here >telling you, all get a life!!! Yes sir, Mr. HIgh & Mighty! It's not enough that I work ten hours a day running the Service Department of a company with annual revenues of 35 million. It's not enough that I teach skiing 40+ days a year through the winter, and continue on through the summer down at Mt. Hood. Or that I volunteer with the USFS as a backcountry ranger year round. Or...you get the point... You must be extremely unhappy with your own existence, to find it so easy to pass judgment on others whom you know absolutely nothing about. I have quite a nice life, thank you. The fact that it includes a healthy dose of musical enjoyment, at whatever level of cerebral involvement I choose, is not my measure... To waste your creative energy lambasting other folks you don't even know says more about you than anything else you might have written. You might be better served to "have a life" elsewhere, if we bother you so much. To intentionally post to a group with such a friendly statement, and then let everyone know you are hanging around to "take the abuse", striked me as rather odd, Mike. Are you feeling lonely? Wanting of attention? I would suggest that you, Mike, need to locate more than a life. You might try mine, it's alot of fun. Driving down to Santa Rosa to meet up with a whole mess of wonderful BOC folk, to celebrate the new record contract, and flying down to Vegas to see the Band play at the unefest on the 1st. Of course, this isn't much of a life... That's on top of skiing on a Cascade volcano this weekend... Have I illustrated well enough for you yet, how little you really know about anyone here? Here's a little light reading for you: PREJUDICE: prej-u-dice \ n. [ME, fr. OF, fr. L praejudicium - 'previous judgment', damage; fr. prae- + judicium (judgment)] 1: injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; esp. detriment to one's legal rights or claims. 2a: (1) PRECONCEIVED JUDGMENT OR OPINION. (2) An adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or BEFORE SUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE. 2b: An instance of such judgment or opinion. 2c: An IRRATIONAL ATTITUDE OF HOSTILITY directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics. syn.: predilection. "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue May 14 03:06:03 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 02:06:03 -0500 Subject: BOC: FreedomFest Message-ID: I'm normally on the HW side, but I thought I'd pass this on to the other half of the list. BOC will be playing with Kansas and one other band (Styx, I think... Fellow DFW inhabitants can check on p.4 in last Friday's weekend guide in the Dallas Morning News to confirm/correct) on July 4, 1996 for the annual "FreedomFest" taking place at the CocaCola (I'd rather have Dr.P, thank you) Starplex ampitheater. Last year Boston headlined, and I *think* Fleetwood Mac did the year before that. ObHawkwindContent: The funny thing is that last July 4, Nik played in Dallas. I guess the metroplex will be alternating BOC and HW-spinoffs every Independence Day from now on. :) Speaking of, yes I *will* be seeing that movie (who won't?). Damon Capehart | To know recursion, you must first know recursion. aka Le Monsieur |-------------------------------------------------- dcapehar at utdallas.edu | The Society of Physics Students at UTD From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon May 13 13:07:18 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 18:07:18 +0100 Subject: Kadu Flyer In-Reply-To: <01I4NF4O3CQ22BRJ83@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> Message-ID: In message <01I4NF4O3CQ22BRJ83 at MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>, "Scott Heller (617) 724-7762" writes > On the Hawkwind front, Chris said that a 5 CD box set of the remasters > was going to be released soon, which contained all the CD's in one > package. That is all the news that he had.. No NO NOOOOOO! It better not have any "new" material! -- Jon Browne From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue May 14 08:18:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:18:00 EDT Subject: OFF: re - Adrian Shaw _Tea Time for Hydra_ Message-ID: >I just got my copy of it ...... >BBBBBb U U Y Y I TTTTTTT ! >B b U U Y Y I T ! >BBBBBb U U Y I T ! >B b U U Y I T ! >BBBBBb UUUUU Y I T O >Paul/Soniqu=E9 Paul, if you want to convince us you'll have to do a full format review. You set the bar, now you have to clear it. Rudy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue May 14 08:52:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:52:00 EDT Subject: HW : Box Set Message-ID: >>724-7762" writes >> On the Hawkwind front, Chris said that a 5 CD box set of the remasters >> was going to be released soon, which contained all the CD's in one >> package. That is all the news that he had.. >No NO NOOOOOO! >It better not have any "new" material! -- >Jon Browne No, Jon, this is the Griffin version for the US market. I understand it will be jewel boxes in lieu of the digipack packaging of the UK versions. Price should be lower than imports, but it is an all or nothing deal. Rudy From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue May 14 09:17:43 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:17:43 -0400 Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE In-Reply-To: <199605140556.AAA15723@home.stlnet.com> from "Mike Miesner" at May 14, 96 00:56:52 am Message-ID: Mike Miesner writes: > > This proves to me that this group is part of the get a life crowd. > Get with it folks !!! Bands whose hey days where 20 years in the past and > sold 50 or sixty albums dont deserve this much band width. Then what the hell did you subscribe to this list for? Sheesh, the *morons* they're giving computer accounts to, these days... Steve swann at panix.com From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 14 09:18:18 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 14:18:18 +0100 Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE In-Reply-To: <199605140632.BAA16304@home.stlnet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 May 1996, Mike Miesner wrote: > Not making fun stating opinion, thats why Im out of here I have a life But grammar and spelling? Apparently not. If we give you a problem, by all means get. You could have done so without the flame and noone would have noticed. This may be significant - think on't. One wonders what you subscribed for - is this a regular practice of yours? Although I can't say I'm that interested. Going very English, Jazza From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue May 14 09:28:23 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:28:23 -0400 Subject: OFF: Doctor Who on Fox!?! Message-ID: >There have been ads running during the sweeps for a movie premier showing >this Tuesday of "Doctor Who"---on Fox of all stations! It stars Paul >McGann as The Doctor, and I hear that Sylvester McCoy has a cameo. I was >wondering if this was being made in collaboration with the BBC?? Who >wrote the script? Is it being shown in the UK? Since Fox is a Murdoch >organ, maybe it will surface on Sky? > >Going by the trailers, it looks more "hollywood skiffy epic" than Dr. >Who. I can't really see Dr. Who translating very well across the Atlantic >for a general audience over here. Oh well, I guess I'll see tomorrow... I don't think the BBC had much to do with it. This thing has been floating around for a time, long rumored to be rumor. Amblin entertainment had it for awhile, then some other group... I'm surprised it came to be, actually. But I'll definitely be watching... I saw about fifteen minutes of it on a local channel without sound effex, it seemed very 'hollywood', it had a very long car chase scene, and what appeared to be a romantic interest. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue May 14 09:33:12 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:33:12 -0400 Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE In-Reply-To: <199605140556.AAA15723@home.stlnet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 May 1996, Mike Miesner trolled: [Off-topic post asking about the new Doctor Who film, which scrupulously omitted any mention of either BOC or Hawkwind deleted.] > This proves to me that this group is part of the get a life crowd. > Get with it folks !!! Bands whose hey days where 20 years in the past and > sold 50 or sixty albums dont deserve this much band width. Im a fan of boc > I saw them in concert and bought their albums...but its a band, not a way of > life. It seems that you folks take this WAY too seriously. I enjoy a good > tune as much as the next guy (or gal) I wish the Brain Surgeons the best of > luck, but spending so much time deciding what track on what album meant > what....c'mon folks it only rock and roll. Oh well, I guess this random, knee-jerk response answers my question. I guess Doctor Who doesn't go over very well with the colonials... ;-) > I will stay subscribed to this for a couple more days to take the abuse I'm > sure to get and then I'm out of here ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Um... whatever floats your boat, Mike. But be sure to Cc: your unsubscription command to the list. That way, we can be sure to know the exact time you left our presence, so that each year, at that precise moment, we can hold a candlelit vigil in homage to the Possessor of the One True Life, now sadly departed. > telling you, all get a life!!! Okay, but tell me where I can get the best deals. Do they sell them on the Home Shopping Network? Btw, I hope you continue your missionary work on other lists. I'm sure they'll appreciate your insight as much as we have. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _New River Head_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue May 14 14:35:32 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 14:35:32 BST Subject: HW : Box Set In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Tue, 14 May 1996 08:52:00 EDT Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > >>724-7762" writes > >> On the Hawkwind front, Chris said that a 5 CD box set of the remasters > >> was going to be released soon, which contained all the CD's in one > >> package. That is all the news that he had.. > >No NO NOOOOOO! > >It better not have any "new" material! > -- > >Jon Browne > > No, Jon, this is the Griffin version for the US market. I understand it > will be jewel boxes in lieu of the digipack packaging of the UK versions. Hey! No fair! > Price should be lower than imports, but it is an all or nothing deal. When that happens here there are usually a few record dealers who'll break the boxes up and sell separates. ObAside: Is anyone up on CD units in the L200 - L300 range? Comments appreciated on what's worth buying. > Rudy Cheers FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue May 14 14:38:04 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 14:38:04 BST Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Tue, 14 May 1996 14:18:18 +0100 Message-ID: On Tue, 14 May 1996, Mike Miesner wrote: > > Not making fun stating opinion, thats why Im out of here Don't let the door slam your arse on the way out. Might I suggest alt.peeves? They have a warm place in their hearts there for folks like you. FoFP From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue May 14 10:11:31 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 01:11:31 +1100 Subject: OFF: re - Adrian Shaw _Tea Time for Hydra_ Message-ID: On 14 May 96 Rudich, Robert A wrote about OFF: re - Adrian Shaw _Tea Time fo: > Paul, if you want to convince us you'll have to do a full format review. > You set the bar, now you have to clear it. I have full intentions of doing just that (hey, I promised Ade so now I have to). That message was posted after one listen, I need a few more before I can comment properly. I might even get around to reviewing darXtar's _Sju_, and getting back to the HW trail one of these days if you are all nice to me ;^) Paul/Soniqu? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Tue May 14 10:06:58 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 10:06:58 EDT Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE Message-ID: Mike: no big deal. Hang in there. Speak up. It helps balance the discussion when we get some input from the less fanatic. RR From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Tue May 14 11:36:59 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:36:59 -0400 Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE Message-ID: Hey, I've got a life. Today it consisted of making deals with other VCR'ed people. You see, in the Detroit area, this Doctor Who movie is showing at the same time as part 1 of the two-part Babylon 5 in which Sinclair returns, and I have to be sure to have tapes of both! Thhhpppt!! ObHawkContent: Any more news of when Griffin is releasing Alien4? Any more news to this rumor of a Nik Turner release on Dossier? From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue May 14 11:49:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:49:00 EDT Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players Message-ID: >ObAside: Is anyone up on CD units in the L200 - L300 range? Comments >appreciated on what's worth buying. >FoFP Here's the deal as I understand it. Once you made the leap to CDs, you got 95% or more of the improvement. I was looking into this question myself. I don't know what specific machines you're looking at, so I'll speak in generalities. You can get better D/A converters, more oversampling, multi disc handling, and other user features like programing. Whether these are worth the money is a personal choice. However, you may not hear any difference at all in how the discs play and sound. If that is your intent, go listen to several with headphones of yours and a disc you know well. Don't take something obscure like that Hawkwang I hear tell of. Then compare to something in the range of what you have. I've done this and got very interested in speakers. I've also read audio fanzine articles that reach the same conclusion. Ironically, some of the more exotic units have more trouble reading discs than cheaper ones. If you really want to improve sound, the speakers are still the best place to attack. Rudy From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue May 14 11:56:52 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:56:52 -0400 Subject: OFF: Dr. Who Message-ID: Please could someone email me and let me know what time this program is airing on the East coast, Thanks Martyn From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue May 14 12:06:10 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:06:10 -0400 Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE In-Reply-To: <9605141406.AA25056@zeal> from "ross.reyes" at May 14, 96 10:06:58 am Message-ID: ross.reyes writes: > > Mike: no big deal. Hang in there. > > Speak up. It helps balance the discussion when we get some input from the > less fanatic. Yes, Ross, I must say, those brilliant insights that he offered were most enlightening, not to mention well presented. Much like your own, now that I think of it. Steve swann at panix.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 14 12:10:59 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:10:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dr. Who In-Reply-To: <9605141556.AA22750@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at May 14, 96 11:56:52 am Message-ID: > Please could someone email me and let me know what time > this program is airing on the East coast, Could someone let me know _if_ this is airing in Britain? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue May 14 17:06:46 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:06:46 BST Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE In-Reply-To: Ken Alexander's message of Tue, 14 May 1996 11:36:59 -0400 Message-ID: Ken Alexander writes: > Hey, I've got a life. Today it consisted of making deals with other > VCR'ed people. You see, in the Detroit area, this Doctor Who movie > is showing at the same time as part 1 of the two-part Babylon 5 in which > Sinclair returns, and I have to be sure to have tapes of both! Thhhpppt!! Is that the other side of "Babylon Squared"? I'm SOOOOOO jealous. Mike "The sound is always there" Holmes From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue May 14 17:12:43 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:12:43 BST Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Tue, 14 May 1996 11:49:00 EDT Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > >ObAside: Is anyone up on CD units in the L200 - L300 range? Comments > >appreciated on what's worth buying. > > >FoFP > > Here's the deal as I understand it. Once you made the leap to CDs, you got > 95% or more of the improvement. I was looking into this question myself. > I don't know what specific machines you're looking at, so I'll speak in > generalities. You can get better D/A converters, more oversampling, multi > disc handling, and other user features like programing. Whether these are > worth the money is a personal choice. However, you may not hear any > difference at all in how the discs play and sound. If that is your intent, > go listen to several with headphones of yours and a disc you know well. > Don't take something obscure like that Hawkwang I hear tell of. Then > compare to something in the range of what you have. I've done this and got > very interested in speakers. I've also read audio fanzine articles that > reach the same conclusion. Yeah, I've been reading the comics. The units that look interesting from the reviews are: Marantz CD-63 Technics SL-PS770A Sony CDP-761E I've seen offers on: NAD 510 (an upgrade of NAD 501 or something better?) Cambridge CD4 ...but I can't find any articles on these. Up until now I've been using a Sony Discman (circa 1990) as a CD player with Linn Index speakers and a NAD 3020 amp. Any comments welcome... FoFP From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue May 14 12:22:57 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:22:57 -0400 Subject: Off:Legal "Matters" Message-ID: The ever thoughtful Ed Stasium was kind enough to pass along the following info... now we won't git a ticket while touring any a' these locales! And neither will you... AMERICAN SEX LAWS CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS ____________________________________________________ * In the quiet town of Connorsville, Wisconsin, it's illegal for a man to shoot off a gun when his female partner has an orgasm. * It's against the law in Willowdale, Oregon, for a husband to curse during sex. * In Oblong, Illinois, it's punishable by law to make love while hunting or fishing on your wedding day. * No man is allowed to make love to his wife with the smell of garlic, onions, or sardines on his breath in Alexandria, Minnesota. If his wife so requests, law mandates that he must brush his teeth. * Warn your hubby that after lovemaking in Ames, Iowa, he isn't allowed to take more than three gulps of beer while lying in bed with you- or holding you in his arms. * Bozeman, Montana, has a law that bans all sexual activity between members of the opposite sex in the front yard of a home after sundown- if they're nude. (Apparently, if you wear socks, you're safe from the law!) * In hotels in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, every room is required to have twin beds. And the beds must always be a minimum of two feet apart when a couple rents a room for only one night. And it's illegal to make love on the floor between the beds! * The owner of every hotel in Hastings, Nebraska, is required to provide each guest with a clean and pressed nightshirt. No couple, even if they are married, may sleep together in the nude. Nor may they have sex unless they are wearing one of these clean, white cotton nightshirts. * An ordinance in Newcastle, Wyoming, specifically bans couples from having sex while standing inside a store's walk-in-meat freezer! * A state law in Illinois mandates that all bachelors should be called master, not mister, when addressed by their female counterparts. * In Norfolk, Virginia, a woman can't go out without wearing a corset. (There was a civil-service job- for men only- called a corset inspector.) * However, in Merryville, Missouri, women are prohibited from wearing corsets because "the privilege of admiring the curvaceous, unencumbered body of a young woman should not be denied to the normal, red-blooded American male." The "Show-me" state :-) * It's safe to make love while parked in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. Police officers aren't allowed to walk up and knock on the window. Any suspicious officer who thinks that sex is taking place must drive up from behind, honk his horn three times and wait approximately two minutes before getting out of his car to investigate. * Another law in Helena, Montana, mandates that a woman can't dance on a table in a saloon or bar unless she has on at least three pounds, two ounces of clothing. * Lovers in Liberty Corner, New Jersey, should avoid satisfying their lustful urges in a parked car. If the horn accidentally sounds while they are frolicking behind the wheel, the couple can face a jail term. * In Carlsbad, New Mexico, it's legal for couples to have sex in a parked vehicle during their lunch break from work, as long as the car or van has drawn curtains to stop strangers from peeking in. * A Florida sex law: If you're a single, divorced, or widowed woman, you can't parachute on Sunday afternoons. * Women aren't allowed to wear patent-leather shoes in Cleveland, Ohio- a man might see the reflection of something "he oughtn't!" * No woman may have sex with a man while riding in an ambulance within the boundaries of Tremonton, Utah. If caught, the woman can be charged with a sexual misdemeanor and "her name is to be published in the local newspaper." The man isn't charged nor is his name revealed. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue May 14 17:24:25 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:24:25 BST Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Tue, 14 May 1996 11:49:00 EDT Message-ID: Marantz have an excellent range at this price. Their L350 (?) model is superb. (I forget the exact name/number, as I bought the L500 Micromega). > Here's the deal as I understand it. Once you made the leap to CDs, you got > 95% or more of the improvement. I think this is an exageration (depending on how good your record deck is), but the return for investment in CD players does seem to me to be less than that in record decks/amps/speakers. Dave. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue May 14 12:44:46 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:44:46 -0400 Subject: OFF: Dr. Who Message-ID: Carl > Could someone let me know _if_ this is airing in Britain? Yeah, it's on Bank Holiday Monday. But hopefully I'll be at the Div. 1 play-off, getting a life. - Andy From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue May 14 12:46:58 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:46:58 +0100 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 14 May 1996 17:12:43 -0000." <9605141712.aa27529@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: > Yeah, I've been reading the comics. The units that look interesting from > the reviews are: > > Marantz CD-63 I've got one of these. What HiFi (or similar) did a black box review of this and estimated its worth (according to fidelity/sound etc) at at least a couple of hundred quid over its price. Having said that, they do tend to rant & rave over Marantz gear in general. YMMV. Its a pretty decent player though (I used to have a Sony CDM-720 or somesuch, which it easily beats in functionality and gives a crisper sound). However - - I'm *far* from being an audiophile :-) - My system is probably being held back by the ageing Cambridge amp - I rarely use headphones, which may influence what you're after, so can't comment. Tim From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue May 14 12:56:28 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:56:28 -0400 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players In-Reply-To: <31982010@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 May 1996, Rudich, Robert A wrote: > >ObAside: Is anyone up on CD units in the L200 - L300 range? Comments > >appreciated on what's worth buying. > > >FoFP > > Here's the deal as I understand it. Once you made the leap to CDs, you got > 95% or more of the improvement. I was looking into this question myself. > I don't know what specific machines you're looking at, so I'll speak in > generalities. You can get better D/A converters, more oversampling, multi > disc handling, and other user features like programing. Whether these are > worth the money is a personal choice. However, you may not hear any > difference at all in how the discs play and sound. Apart from high-end exotica, most CD players use the same basic chipsets. However, once the "bits" leave the D/A, they pass from the digital to the analogue domain; no amount of error correction, oversampling, etc. can help them then. The audio signal will be subject to the ravages of noise, like any other part of your hi-fi. Essentially, the improvement you get of one model over another in CD players is in the quality of the analogue components. Cheap models will usually have poorer, higher-noise circuitry, noisier, less-shielded power supply, etc. than their more expensive brethren. The transport is usually improved, too. > If that is your intent, > go listen to several with headphones of yours and a disc you know well. > Don't take something obscure like that Hawkwang I hear tell of. Then > compare to something in the range of what you have. I've done this and got > very interested in speakers. I've also read audio fanzine articles that > reach the same conclusion. I agree. This is the modus operandi. Get thee to a hi-fi dealer and get *auditioning*. :-) It's best to narrow down to a few models, but, ultimately, the only way to go is to actually listen to a few models in a listening room, if possible. A decent hi-fi dealer will let you hear something you're interested in, using the same setup you have at home (where possible). This has been my experience, anyway. And, as Rudy says, take along your own music, and a good sample at that. As for brands, in that price range I can heartily recommend Rotel and Marantz. When I bought mine, it came to a showdown between the Rotel 955 and the Marantz CD52; the Rotel won sonically in the listening room (the Marantz sounded "thinner" compared to the rich, full sound of the Rotel). I'd certainly recommend the Rotel. It has minimal gadgets on it (doesn't even have a headphone jack, ubiquitous on most players), but it sounds very nice, and it does have a "digital out" so you can connect the transport to a better DAC in the future should you have a mind to. > than cheaper ones. If you really want to improve sound, the speakers are > still the best place to attack. Well, I disagree with this, but I guess that thorny issue is one for rec.audio. ;-) Btw, FoFP, there is a "Good Sound for Less Bucks" (or something like that) FAQ that is posted to the rec.audio hierarchy. You may want to consult that for some ideas. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Soundgarden, _Superunknown_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue May 14 13:07:56 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 13:07:56 -0400 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players In-Reply-To: <31982010@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at May 14, 96 11:49:00 am Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > > >ObAside: Is anyone up on CD units in the L200 - L300 range? Comments > >appreciated on what's worth buying. > > Here's the deal as I understand it. Once you made the leap to CDs, you got > 95% or more of the improvement. I was looking into this question myself. This is almost true. However, I was researching CD players a while back, and I came to a few conclusions about the whole mess. > I don't know what specific machines you're looking at, so I'll speak in > generalities. You can get better D/A converters, more oversampling, multi > disc handling, and other user features like programing. Whether these are > worth the money is a personal choice. However, you may not hear any > difference at all in how the discs play and sound. If that is your intent, > go listen to several with headphones of yours and a disc you know well. Too true. I went to a big electronics store (one in Buffalo called Stereo Advantage, that had a room with literally about 60 models of CD players), and I took with me a set of headphones whose sound I was familiar with, and a number of my favorite CDs. Here's what I found: Regardless of price range, you can always hear a *slight* difference between players. Above a certain price threshold (like, about US$140) it's not so much a matter of good or bad, it's a matter of preference. Some sound sweeter, some sound brighter, some sound more "smooth", etc, etc, etc. You really just need to listen to them - but frankly, even if you just take a shot in the dark, you won't go too far wrong with with the mid or high end models of any of the major brands (they all make sucky low end models, too, but in the price range you're talking about, you won't have to worry about that). All the mid and high end models by the major brands sound excellent. What I found much more significant was the ease of use. I originally bought a mid range Phillips, which sounded fine, but had very poor controls. Just for example, it had a very noticeable (and aggravating) delay between the time you punched the "next track" key and the time that it actually jumped to the next track. Not so bad if you're only jumping one tracj, but if you're like me, and like to track hop, it's maddening. The Phillips also couldn't be programmed with the same degree of precision (I like to make tape mixes of my favorite album tracks, or, more significantly, parts thereof). So I returned it for a slightly more expensive Sony, which I've been very happy with ever since. The audio rags make far to much of a fuss about the difference of sound between CD players. I guess it's because they have to justify their existence by talking about a "new" topic every issue, so they follow all the latest D/A converter black magic, and make a big deal out of it... but frankly, mid range CD players are mostly within 1% of each other in terms of sound quality, and the high end models are within about .1% of each other. > Don't take something obscure like that Hawkwang I hear tell of. Then > compare to something in the range of what you have. I've done this and got > very interested in speakers. I've also read audio fanzine articles that > reach the same conclusion. > > Ironically, some of the more exotic units have more trouble reading discs > than cheaper ones. If you really want to improve sound, the speakers are > still the best place to attack. There's no reason to buy an exotic CD player. Exotic speakers, yes. Exotic ampflifiers, maybe. For CDs, though, there's really no reason to get too funky, the sound difference just isn't that great. As already noted, you'll get 100x as much difference by changing speakers. If I had to make a single recommendation: buy a high end Sony. They're as reliable as all get-out, and they have very nicely thought out user controls - something often missing in the more exotic "audiophile" CD players), and which you'll appreciate more and more as you own the thing over a period of years. Steve swann at panix.com From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue May 14 13:23:55 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 13:23:55 -0400 Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE In-Reply-To: <9605141706.aa25775@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at May 14, 96 05:06:46 pm Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > Ken Alexander writes: > > > Hey, I've got a life. Today it consisted of making deals with other > > VCR'ed people. You see, in the Detroit area, this Doctor Who movie > > is showing at the same time as part 1 of the two-part Babylon 5 in which > > Sinclair returns, and I have to be sure to have tapes of both! Thhhpppt!! > > Is that the other side of "Babylon Squared"? I'm SOOOOOO jealous. > > Mike "The sound is always there" Holmes I take it the Brits are running a little behind on Bab5? I guess I shouldn't mention what an incredible episode we had last week? Steve, taking revenge on the people who see Hawkwind 6 times a year swann at panix.com From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue May 14 13:30:10 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 13:30:10 -0400 Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE Message-ID: >Hey, I've got a life. Today it consisted of making deals with other >VCR'ed people. You see, in the Detroit area, this Doctor Who movie >is showing at the same time as part 1 of the two-part Babylon 5 in which >Sinclair returns, and I have to be sure to have tapes of both! Thhhpppt!! You think that's bad? Also during the Panthers/Flyers game 6, and Spurs/Jazz game 5. Go Panthers! +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue May 14 13:38:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 13:38:00 EDT Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Player & 1 Life, please - to go Message-ID: >Too true. I went to a big electronics store (one in Buffalo called >Stereo Advantage, that had a room with literally about 60 models of >CD players), and I took with me a set of headphones whose sound I >was familiar with, and a number of my favorite CDs. >Steve >swann at panix.com A real good time in Buffalo (no beer and wings?), you do need a life. I couldn't resist tying threads and I grew up in the Queen city myself. Rudy ObHW: I thought I remembered something mentioned here about the lineup for the Toronto 90 gig being different, maybe somebody other than Richard on drums. Is this so or more lost brain cells? Who on Fox @ 8 EST From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue May 14 18:39:30 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 18:39:30 BST Subject: Off:Legal "Matters" In-Reply-To: DFrost8547@aol.com's message of Tue, 14 May 1996 12:22:57 -0400 Message-ID: Heh! What a boring country I live in - definitely the sooner we get a Federal British Isles the better 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue May 14 18:46:42 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 18:46:42 BST Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE - Bab5 In-Reply-To: Ken Alexander's message of Tue, 14 May 1996 11:36:59 -0400 Message-ID: Ken Alexander writes: > is showing at the same time as part 1 of the two-part Babylon 5 in which > Sinclair returns, and I have to be sure to have tapes of both! Thhhpppt!! > SPOILER!!!!! So what happens...... this is on a need to know basis - I'm feeling continentally-challenged and I Need To Know. Deprived, of Edinburgh ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue May 14 14:06:33 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 14:06:33 -0400 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players In-Reply-To: <199605141707.NAA13913@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at May 14, 96 01:07:56 pm Message-ID: > > What I found much more significant was the ease of use. I originally > bought a mid range Phillips, which sounded fine, but had very poor > controls. Just for example, it had a very noticeable (and > aggravating) delay between the time you punched the "next track" key > and the time that it actually jumped to the next track. Not so bad if > you're only jumping one tracj, but if you're like me, and like to > track hop, it's maddening. The Phillips also couldn't be programmed > with the same degree of precision (I like to make tape mixes of my > favorite album tracks, or, more significantly, parts thereof). So I > returned it for a slightly more expensive Sony, which I've been very > happy with ever since. > This is kinda odd, since I think that my old (1989) Magnavox CDP-650 (which was _the_ CD player of its' day and the basis for many a tweaker's modifications) has a much more precise method of programming tracks. It did use a swing-arm geared mechanism for the laser, as opposed to the much faster linear motor sled that most everyone uses now (and is in my Sony ES carousel), so the track to track access time is slower, but the Maggie has proven to be a helluva more robust unit than the 3x expensive Sony. Sure, the Sony has nicer features (especially the fade-in/out function, non-repeating random play, remote volume control), but the Maggie is the one I'd keep if I had to sell one! (FYI, Magnavox is/was the name slapped on Phillips units in the US before Phillips sold them under their own name). > > Don't take something obscure like that Hawkwang I hear tell of. Then > > compare to something in the range of what you have. I've done this and got > > very interested in speakers. I've also read audio fanzine articles that > > reach the same conclusion. > > Why not? Take music that _you- are familar with, and of a genre that you listen to. Why audition a CD player with classical music if all you'll ever play is heavy metal. And remember, you are listening to the _speakers_ on display, unless they are the same ones you have at home (me, my speakers were made in 1982, so fat chance of that happening!). Take your headphones, your CD's and a scratched/defective CD to see if the player will pass a "torture test" (I think that at one time you could buy a torture test CD, that would test to see how well the player handled less than ideal CD's). > > Ironically, some of the more exotic units have more trouble reading discs > > than cheaper ones. If you really want to improve sound, the speakers are > > still the best place to attack. > I agree with this. My Sony skips on CD's that the Magnavox plays error-free. The Maggie even played one of the "corroded" copies of Tangerine Dreams' Flashpoint soundtrack, when everything else barfed it back up! > There's no reason to buy an exotic CD player. Exotic speakers, yes. > Exotic ampflifiers, maybe. For CDs, though, there's really no reason > to get too funky, the sound difference just isn't that great. As > already noted, you'll get 100x as much difference by changing > speakers. > > If I had to make a single recommendation: buy a high end Sony. > They're as reliable as all get-out, and they have very nicely thought > out user controls - something often missing in the more exotic > "audiophile" CD players), and which you'll appreciate more and more > as you own the thing over a period of years. > Uhhh, gonna argue with you here, Steve-o! I will never willingly purchase another piece of Sony gear, as their quality control is non-existant at this point! I have had more Sony junk than I care to talk about, and most of it was the ES series gear (I do have a 18-year old Sony turntable that I think the world of, but that is the exception!). IMHO, buy yourself a piece of Onkyo equipment (I intend to replace most, if not all of my gear with Onkyo at some point). i have owned Onkyo off and on since 1977 and have loved every piece I've owned (recently bought back my old 1979 receiver; damn thing is big enough to conduct flight operations off of!). Primary reason for my enthusiasm is that the gear is _solid_ and usually out-performs the published specs by a good margin. Cons, not heavy into the "exotic" displays and features (i.e. dosen't have the Sony's fade-in/fade out feature, but does have a six-disk carousel), which some people, myself included, may find to be a "pro". My $0.02, FWIW... > Steve > swann at panix.com > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue May 14 19:38:46 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 19:38:46 BST Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Tue, 14 May 1996 12:56:28 -0400 Message-ID: > > than cheaper ones. If you really want to improve sound, the speakers are > > still the best place to attack. > > Well, I disagree with this, For the record (sic), so do I. > Btw, FoFP, there is a "Good Sound for Less Bucks" (or something like > that) FAQ that is posted to the rec.audio hierarchy. This FAQ is virtually useless outside North America. Perhaps it's not so bad for CD players, but a British hi-fi mag would be a better start. For amps and speakers it is literally useless, as there is little American hi-fi available over here and little British hi-fi available over there (and both are at inflated prices relative to the home-produced stuff). Incidentally, y'all seem to underestimate the cost of "high-end", "big bucks" CD players. You can easily spend a grand on the transport and a grand on the DAC, if you are so inclined. My L500 machine is the *bottom* of the manufacturer's range. Dave. From wildcat at PRYSM.NET Tue May 14 14:47:00 1996 From: wildcat at PRYSM.NET (Jonathan M Thompson) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 13:47:00 CDT Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE - Bab5 Message-ID: >Ken Alexander writes: > >> is showing at the same time as part 1 of the two-part Babylon 5 in which >> Sinclair returns, and I have to be sure to have tapes of both! Thhhpppt!! >> > >SPOILER!!!!! > > >So what happens...... this is on a need to know basis - I'm feeling >continentally-challenged and I Need To Know. > > >Deprived, of Edinburgh > > > >=========================================================================== >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > For me the new DW is on tonight and B5 "War without End pt 1" is on Sunday. Jonathan Thompson SCA: Jonathan MacAilpein wildcat at prysm.net Keeper of the Battletech Mailing List email btech at prysm.net to subscribe "I have been denied everything, even my revenge!"-Goliath From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue May 14 14:47:33 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 14:47:33 -0400 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Player & 1 Life, please - to go In-Reply-To: <319839B6@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at May 14, 96 01:38:00 pm Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > > >Too true. I went to a big electronics store (one in Buffalo called > >Stereo Advantage, that had a room with literally about 60 models of > >CD players), and I took with me a set of headphones whose sound I > >was familiar with, and a number of my favorite CDs. > > A real good time in Buffalo (no beer and wings?), They wouldn't allow them in the store. ;-) > you do need a life. I > couldn't resist tying threads and I grew up in the Queen city myself. Hey, that was about as good as life got in Buffalo. Aside from that, the only thing to do was hang around starting mailing lists for bands 20 years past their heyday. > ObHW: I thought I remembered something mentioned here about the lineup for > the Toronto 90 gig being different, maybe somebody other than Richard on > drums. Is this so or more lost brain cells? I didn't catch the Toronto gig, and I when I saw them in St. Catherines, I knew the band well enough to recognise Brock and Davey, but not the drummer. It was kind of funny, it was mostly a Motorhead crowd in the Hideaway Club (who had probably been drawn by the radio ads which empohasized the Lemmy connection). Through some of the spacy/ambient stuff, they looked kind of lost (though they were pretty polite about it, unlike some metalhead crowds I've seen). That part of the crowd looked like it was kind of ambivalent, right up until the closing number. As the final encore, they played "Hassan I Sabha"; mid tempo - crushingly heavy. The crowd got really into it, even the guys playing pool put down their sticks and came over to listen (or join the mini-mosh up front). It was one of those wild, exhilarating experiences, everybody was still chanting "Hashish, Hashish, Hashish, Hashishin!" as we exited the club, past the rather befuddled cops outside... ;-) Steve From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue May 14 14:49:46 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 14:49:46 -0400 Subject: OTHER: Bab5 In-Reply-To: <9605141846.aa18808@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at May 14, 96 06:46:42 pm Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > > Ken Alexander writes: > > > is showing at the same time as part 1 of the two-part Babylon 5 in which > > Sinclair returns, and I have to be sure to have tapes of both! Thhhpppt!! > > > > SPOILER!!!!! > > > So what happens...... this is on a need to know basis - I'm feeling > continentally-challenged and I Need To Know. What season/episode are you guys in? Steve swann at panix.com From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue May 14 20:01:35 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 20:01:35 BST Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Tue, 14 May 1996 17:12:43 BST Message-ID: > Up until now I've been using a Sony Discman (circa 1990) as a CD player > with Linn Index speakers and a NAD 3020 amp. Upgrading the Discman is a very good idea. So is upgrading the amp (What model 3020 is it? If it's an original version, like I had until last year, it's well worth upgrading. Amps have improved tremendously over the years). The speakers should be OK. I found them a little reserved, but speakers are very much a matter of personal preference. This is all based on my experience upgrading my system last year. I'm not an expert. Dave. From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Tue May 14 12:02:56 1996 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:02:56 +0100 Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE Message-ID: Re: OFF:GET A LIFE ^^^ At least he had the decency to conform to the new rules I I I ---- 0 ---- I - I -- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue May 14 15:36:09 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:36:09 -0400 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players In-Reply-To: <199605141707.NAA13913@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: Steve Swann wrote: > Too true. I went to a big electronics store (one in Buffalo called > Stereo Advantage, that had a room with literally about 60 models of > CD players), and I took with me a set of headphones whose sound I > was familiar with, and a number of my favorite CDs. I take it you were listening to the headphones through an amplifier headphone output. CD player headphone amps are *notoriously* bad; usually they're just an afterthought, thrown in for convenience. To get the real sound of the CD player, you really ought to hear it amplified through speakers, unless you do most of your listening through headphones anyway. > What I found much more significant was the ease of use. It depends if you want something that sounds great, or something that is easy to use. :-) (I know, we want both.) > The audio rags make far to much of a fuss about the difference of > sound between CD players. I guess it's because they have to justify > their existence by talking about a "new" topic every issue, so they > follow all the latest D/A converter black magic, and make a big deal > out of it... but frankly, mid range CD players are mostly within 1% of > each other in terms of sound quality, and the high end models are > within about .1% of each other. Well, the signal processing I learned recently as part of a digital image processing class gave me a greater appreciation of the problems of digital audio. But like I said in another message, CD players aren't totally digital devices; many people seem to underestimate this, and come to the conclusion that "all CD players must sound the same" as a result. But I agree that there is probably less subjective difference between various brands of CD player than between other types of hi-fi components. > already noted, you'll get 100x as much difference by changing > speakers. Meaning there is a vast difference in colouration in different models of speakers. This isn't necessarily a good thing, IMHO. > If I had to make a single recommendation: buy a high end Sony. > They're as reliable as all get-out, and they have very nicely thought > out user controls - something often missing in the more exotic > "audiophile" CD players), and which you'll appreciate more and more > as you own the thing over a period of years. I have heard lots of bad reports about Sony reliability. However, I have never owned anything by Sony, so feel free to disregard this warning. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Brain Surgeons, _Trepanation_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue May 14 15:43:33 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:43:33 -0400 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players In-Reply-To: <13268.9605141838@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 May 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > > Btw, FoFP, there is a "Good Sound for Less Bucks" (or something like > > that) FAQ that is posted to the rec.audio hierarchy. > > This FAQ is virtually useless outside North America. Perhaps it's not > so bad for CD players, but a British hi-fi mag would be a better start. I agree. But, like you say, it should be of some use for CD players which, I think, cross the Atlantic a little better. > For amps and speakers it is literally useless, as there is little American > hi-fi available over here and little British hi-fi available over there > (and both are at inflated prices relative to the home-produced stuff). Tell me about it! It's very frustrating where I live; there are no hi-fi dealers (or none I've found). They're all big "consumer electronics" outlets that sell the popular-name japanese brands. Nobody even stocks the yank hi-fi stuff. Pshaw! Cheers, Paul "used to live in striking distance of three Linn approved dealers" Mather obCD: The Brain Surgeons, _Eponymous_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue May 14 15:54:12 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:54:12 -0400 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players In-Reply-To: <13268.9605141838@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at May 14, 96 07:38:46 pm Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > > > > than cheaper ones. If you really want to improve sound, the speakers are > > > still the best place to attack. > > > > Well, I disagree with this, > > For the record (sic), so do I. I fail to understand how this can even be a point of contention. I've heard $1500 CD players, and when you close your eyes, they sound about 5% better than my $150 Sony. On the other hand, the difference between a pair of $600 Snell Acoustics and a pair of $200 Aiwas is enough to make you weep. > Incidentally, y'all seem to underestimate the cost of "high-end", > "big bucks" CD players. You can easily spend a grand on the transport > and a grand on the DAC, if you are so inclined. My L500 machine is > the *bottom* of the manufacturer's range. Well, the question was about L200-L300 CD players. Steve swann at panix.com From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue May 14 16:18:29 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:18:29 -0500 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players In-Reply-To: Paul Mather "Re: Other: Big Buck CD Players" (May 14, 3:36pm) Message-ID: > > The audio rags make far to much of a fuss about the difference of > > sound between CD players. I guess it's because they have to justify > > their existence by talking about a "new" topic every issue, so they > > follow all the latest D/A converter black magic, and make a big deal > > out of it... but frankly, mid range CD players are mostly within 1% of > > each other in terms of sound quality, and the high end models are > > within about .1% of each other. > > Well, the signal processing I learned recently as part of a digital image > processing class gave me a greater appreciation of the problems of > digital audio. But like I said in another message, CD players aren't > totally digital devices; many people seem to underestimate this, and come > to the conclusion that "all CD players must sound the same" as a result. I will agree that at the high end, CD player differences are more subjective. However, not all CD players have the same amount of analog and digital pathways. When the signal is read off the CD, it is a single bit stream with the left and right channels intermixed. Given sufficient error correction, the signal is exactly the same on every CD player. At this point, there are two different schemes for translating this signal into separate left/right analog signals: 1) Separate the channels, perform D/A conversion, do any signal processing. CD players of this type usually advertise as being "14 bit" or "16 bit" or some number like that. 2) Do all the processing on the digital bitstream, perform D/A conversion. This scheme is usually called "single bit". There are lots of variations on these two schemes, of course. In scheme (1), many tricks like oversampling are done to help the D/A process since the digital signal is barely high enough to be above an acceptable Nyquist rate. The quality of the D/A conversion can have a big impact on the "color" of the sound that is produced. In scheme (2), a big factor on the sound is the signal processing that is done in the microprocessor on the digital bitstream. For the D/A conversion, the processor creates a high-frequency stair-step approximation of the desired analog waveform. This quantized signal is then simply passed through a low-pass filter to smooth out the jaggedness of the quantization. The filtering step does have an effect on the output sound since the filter adds its own colorization. That is why, for example, Carver has a high-end CD player which uses analog tubes ("valves" for you guys on the other side of the pond) to give a "mellower" sound to the low-pass filtering. I have a Carver single-bit CD player and I am extremely happy with it. I don't remember the model number, but it is the one with the non-tube output filter stage. I think that Carver's "Digital Time Lens" processor sounds excellent and I tend to leave it on all the time. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Q: What happened then? A: He told me, he says, "I have to kill you because you can identify me." Q: Did he kill you? -- Disorder in the Court: a Collection of 'Transquips' by Richard Lederer From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue May 14 21:17:02 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 12:17:02 +1100 Subject: HW: Harvey Rumour Message-ID: I found this in the middle of a mail message this morning .... > I`ve just spoken to H. Bainbridge - he is actually negotiating a > deal with Doug Smith for the release of his coming album on EBS. Hopefully, it's not another _Interstellar Chaos_! Paul/Soniqu? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue May 14 22:46:59 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 22:46:59 -0400 Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE Message-ID: Wasn't there a cartoon cat in the 60s whos favorite line was"I hate meeses to pieces". What was that cats name? regards, Bill 'no life and proud' Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue May 14 22:52:54 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 22:52:54 -0400 Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE Message-ID: >>Get with it folks !!! Bands whose hey days where 20 years in the past and >>sold 50 or sixty albums dont deserve this much band width I see Doug Smith has finally got Internet access;-p regards, Bill (soon to be appearing in London) Stewart From chriss at MDC.NET Tue May 14 18:22:28 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 23:22:28 +0100 Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE Message-ID: >>>Get with it folks !!! Bands whose hey days where 20 years in the past and >>>sold 50 or sixty albums dont deserve this much band width > I don't think the loser that authored the above deserves any more of our time posting to this list. I'm sure he's off attacking some other group he knows nothing about. If that's his life, so be it. Don't let him waste our time! Chris From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Wed May 15 00:51:14 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 23:51:14 -0500 Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE In-Reply-To: <199605140556.AAA15723@home.stlnet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 May 1996, Mike Miesner wrote: > At 12:04 AM 5/14/96 -0400, you wrote: > >There have been ads running during the sweeps for a movie premier showing > >this Tuesday of "Doctor Who"---on Fox of all stations! It stars Paul > >McGann as The Doctor, and I hear that Sylvester McCoy has a cameo. I was > >wondering if this was being made in collaboration with the BBC?? Who > >wrote the script? Is it being shown in the UK? Since Fox is a Murdoch > >organ, maybe it will surface on Sky? > > > >Going by the trailers, it looks more "hollywood skiffy epic" than Dr. > >Who. I can't really see Dr. Who translating very well across the Atlantic > >for a general audience over here. Oh well, I guess I'll see tomorrow... > > > >Cheers, > > > >Paul. > > > >obCD: The Tragically Hip, _Day For Night_ > > > >e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. > > > This proves to me that this group is part of the get a life crowd. > Get with it folks !!! Bands whose hey days where 20 years in the past and > sold 50 or sixty albums dont deserve this much band width. Im a fan of boc > I saw them in concert and bought their albums...but its a band, not a way of > life. It seems that you folks take this WAY too seriously. I enjoy a good > tune as much as the next guy (or gal) I wish the Brain Surgeons the best of > luck, but spending so much time deciding what track on what album meant > what....c'mon folks it only rock and roll. > I will stay subscribed to this for a couple more days to take the abuse I'm > sure to get and then I'm out of here > > > telling you, all get a life!!! > mike > is this not the boc discussion list? what the hell are we supposed to talk about!!! just because someone goes into minute detail doesn't mean they do'nt have a life it's just that we've covered all the easy stuff years ago - you are a troublemaker buddy- looks like you probably would end up getting removed from this list with your cyberass in a sling if you had stayed around with that kind of an attitude- come on butthead we all have piles of bullshit to deal with daily in our lives and so we certainly don't deserve taking any from the likes of you- especially here on a list that for me is a leasure activity.. -mike psyche( lurking in the shadows tar & feathers in hand) From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed May 15 01:30:27 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 07:30:27 +0200 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Mispress Message-ID: hi, I came across one of the mispressings of the Silver Machine 7" warrior pic discs recently. Does anyone knows what's on the Beatles soundalike b-side? \\joe From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Wed May 15 01:50:05 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 01:50:05 -0400 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players Message-ID: Frank: >I have a Carver single-bit CD player and I am extremely happy with it. >I don't remember the model number, but it is the one with the non-tube >output filter stage. I think that Carver's "Digital Time Lens" processor >sounds excellent and I tend to leave it on all the time. Now there's a flashback. I was reading this thread, and avoiding the inevitable, when I read the above. Dear God, I spent two years @ Carver after school, in the Service department, and have a few horror stories to tell about the early efforts in the CD player market... (Read: The DTL-50, 100, & 200...esp. the 100, what a nightmare) I *personally* realigned several hundred DTL-100's, more than once. Don't even say the words "eye pattern!" The digital revolution has spawned many a wonderful product, and many an audiophile will swear that they can tell the difference between 0.01 & 0.02 THD, but I have yet to notice at that level, after years of trying... =) Still love that "mushy" tube sound though, as long as the SP is just right. Can anyone say 'Silver Seven?' "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed May 15 10:11:44 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 10:11:44 BST Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Tue, 14 May 1996 15:54:12 -0400 Message-ID: > > > > If you really want to improve sound, the speakers are > > > > still the best place to attack. > > > > > > Well, I disagree with this, > > For the record (sic), so do I. > > I fail to understand how this can even be a point of contention. I've > heard $1500 CD players, and when you close your eyes, they sound about > 5% better than my $150 Sony. To clarify: I agree that the improvement in CD players rapidly gets less as the price increases. The difference between L100 and L200 is clear; that between L200 and L500 is much smaller (especially for rock music; I think the differences are more noticeable with a choir or orchestra). I don't agree that speakers are necessarily the best place to attack; I think that upgrading the amplifier(s) is just as effective. The difference between a L500 Cyrus 3 and the same machine with a L300 outboard power supply is clear; moving to a L900 Naim pre/power combo is obvious again. I would expect to hear clear differences in moving from that to an AudiolabQ/M set-up (or equivalent). Dave. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed May 15 07:48:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 07:48:00 EDT Subject: OFF: Meeses Quote Message-ID: >Wasn't there a cartoon cat in the 60s whos favorite line was"I hate meeses to >pieces". >What was that cats name? >regards, >Bill 'no life and proud' Stewart That would be Jinx. I think he liked some kind of green herb too. Rudy Ob HW: Jinx did not have a similar opinion of HW. From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 15 13:13:46 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 13:13:46 BST Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Tue, 14 May 1996 13:23:55 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > M Holmes writes: > > > > Ken Alexander writes: > > > > > Hey, I've got a life. Today it consisted of making deals with other > > > VCR'ed people. You see, in the Detroit area, this Doctor Who movie > > > is showing at the same time as part 1 of the two-part Babylon 5 in which > > > Sinclair returns, and I have to be sure to have tapes of both! Thhhpppt!! > > > > Is that the other side of "Babylon Squared"? I'm SOOOOOO jealous. > > > > Mike "The sound is always there" Holmes > > I take it the Brits are running a little behind on Bab5? We've just seen series three episode 5 - the one where Ivanova meets those nice folks from Wolf-359 or whatever. > I guess I > shouldn't mention what an incredible episode we had last week? Spoilers don't usually much phase me so long as I only hear the general plot rather than the details. > Steve, taking revenge on the people who see Hawkwind 6 times a year Moi? I haven't seen 'em this year at all :-( > swann at panix.com FoFP From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed May 15 08:54:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 08:54:00 EDT Subject: OFF: B5 is LIFE Message-ID: >We've just seen series three episode 5 - the one where Ivanova meets >those nice folks from Wolf-359 or whatever. >FoFP Wasn't that flaming tiki head a cheesy alien (Sigma 957)? For such an "advanced" race to get miffed at the minor jibes that Ivanova threw makes me wonder if the Shadows didn't just insult their butts out of the galaxy. Sam Kinison could have taken them on single handed. You've got some episodes coming to show the breakdown in the Earth Alliance. Then the Shadows decide to start openly attacking and their ships' screams fill the universe. Their possible Achilles heel comes out, but it may depend on Bester to exploit. There is a King Arthur episode thrown in as filler. Morden is becoming a major force and is as smoothly evil as can be, just a masterpiece. Kosh gets a hit put on him and we await the flip side of B Squared this week. You might like to check out: www.hyperion.com/lurk (Lurkers Guide to Babylon 5) Rudy ObHW: Warriors on the edge of time have yet to engage the Shadows. They may be the ultimate trump card. The White Star could be the fabled Silver Machine. From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 15 08:58:53 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 13:58:53 +0100 Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE In-Reply-To: <960514224658_535425379@emout17.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 May 1996, Bill Stewart wrote: > Wasn't there a cartoon cat in the 60s whos favorite line was"I hate meeses to > pieces". > What was that cats name? > > regards, > Bill 'no life and proud' Stewart > That cat's name was Jinx, and he survived into the early eighties...! But I can't remember the name of the Meece. Um - what brought this up? Jazza, who's been listening to Doremi on earphones all morning and is consequently having trouble dealing with real life... /_________________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 460728) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ========================================================================| | "`It's a Venusian space bassist,' said Turner the bird being." | | (Hawkwind, sleeve notes to 'Doremi Fasol Latido') | \_________________________________________________________________________/ From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 15 14:07:31 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 14:07:31 BST Subject: OFF: B5 is LIFE In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Wed, 15 May 1996 08:54:00 EDT Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > >We've just seen series three episode 5 - the one where Ivanova meets > >those nice folks from Wolf-359 or whatever. > > >FoFP > > Wasn't that flaming tiki head a cheesy alien (Sigma 957)? Yeah, straight out of The Wizard of Oz. I kept expecting Ivanova to peek behind the curtain. > For such an > "advanced" race to get miffed at the minor jibes that Ivanova threw makes me > wonder if the Shadows didn't just insult their butts out of the galaxy. > Sam Kinison could have taken them on single handed. Wasn't it Kimball Kinnison? The other part of that episode I found doubtful was that neither Sheridan nor Garibaldi noticed that the other voice on the VP Clarke recording was Morden's. FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 15 09:46:15 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 14:46:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: B5 is LIFE In-Reply-To: <319948E3@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at May 15, 96 08:54:00 am Message-ID: > Then the Shadows decide to start openly attacking and their ships' screams > fill the universe. Excellent--that's a really cool noise. I should get my sister to sample it and add it to my demo recordings :) Hawkwind should sample it and use it themselves :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Wed May 15 10:14:09 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 10:14:09 -0400 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players Message-ID: Dave: >I don't agree that speakers are necessarily the best place to >attack; I think that upgrading the amplifier(s) is just as effective. >The difference between a L500 Cyrus 3 and the same machine >with a L300 outboard power supply is clear; moving to a L900 >Naim pre/power combo is obvious again. I would expect to >hear clear differences in moving from that to an AudiolabQ/M >set-up (or equivalent). Try running any of the above through an inefficient or poor quality pair of speakers, and then upgrade... "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed May 15 15:44:30 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 15:44:30 BST Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players In-Reply-To: Douglas A Mitchell's message of Wed, 15 May 1996 10:14:09 -0400 Message-ID: Doug, > Try running any of the above through an inefficient or poor > quality pair of speakers, and then upgrade... I'm not sure what you're getting at, to be honest. Obviously upgrading speakers will improve a system. I'm saying that upgrading the amp will improve it just as much. I heard the differences between the amps I mentioned using my old speakers, before I upgraded them (Old: Celestion DL6mkII; New: Mission 752). Dave. From cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK Wed May 15 10:58:24 1996 From: cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK (John Cartledge) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 15:58:24 +0100 Subject: CD Players Message-ID: Mike Holmes Wrote >I've seen offers on: > >NAD 510 (an upgrade of NAD 501 or something better?) >Cambridge CD4 > >...but I can't find any articles on these. I actually upgraded my CD a few weeks ago. Someone had given me a catalogue from Richer Sounds, that had in the Cambridge Audio CD4 at, what I thought, was a bloody good price (150 quid - reduced from 200+). I went and had a listen to it (along with several more expensive models) and was mightily impressed. As such, I took the plunge, with an assurance that if it did not sound ok at home, I could bring it back and get a refund. To cut a long story short, the difference was quite phenomenal. Compared to my old player (a good machine at the time of purchase - 1989), there was no contest. Even CD's that were pretty badly recorded sounded as good as well recorded CD's as played on the old machine. The Hawkwind Remasters sound incredible! Obviously, the sound I get is dependent on the rest of my set up. However, I have got no complaints at all, and would say that it's worth having a demo. Cheers John ps. Where's the new Hawkwind album? One of these days they'll release something on time ;-) pps. This month's VOX magazine has a good article on the Stonhenge festival with a good piccy of Hawkwind circa 73-74 The remasters get reviewed as well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Systems Programmer School Of Computing & Information Systems University Of Sunderland St Peter's Campus, St Peter's Way North Sands, Sunderland Tyne & Wear Email : John.Cartledge at sunderland.ac.uk England Tel : 0191 5153638 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Welcome To The Days You've Made" From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed May 15 11:09:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:09:00 EDT Subject: HW: Samples of Shadow Screams Message-ID: >> Then the Shadows decide to start openly attacking and their ships' screams >> fill the universe. > Excellent--that's a really cool noise. I should get my sister to >sample it and add it to my demo recordings :) Hawkwind should sample it >and use it themselves :) >Cheers, >Carl You got it! Screw the Star Trek samples. Can you imagine these screams moving about the hall as HW cranks up some appropriate tune? I wish I knew Alien 4 better, there seem to be titles that cry out for this effect. BTW - Your sister did a GREAT job adding synths. That band could open for HW and hold its own, no problem. Maybe your sister could even replace Harvey. Does she dance in various stages of undress or breathe fire? Rudy No life, but back on topic. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed May 15 11:35:55 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:35:55 -0400 Subject: OFF:GET A LIFE Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-15 09:10:10 EDT, you write: > Um - what brought this up? The guy who has been calling the list members no-lifers, happens to be named Meese. regards, Bill Stewart From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed May 15 11:34:49 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:34:49 -0400 Subject: OFF: Dr. Who movie Message-ID: In which I reveal the secret ending to the UK subscribers... heh. Nah. But it's worth seeing, when it isn't involved in plot it was very ambient, full of itself, and full of references to itself and even some other genre stuff. The plot on the other hand... well, you'll see. Worth watching, tho. And McGann get's it all right, it looks like he studied from the masters. Now, if we can only get them to make a follow-up involving the judgement of the timelords against Doug Smith... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed May 15 11:40:50 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:40:50 -0400 Subject: HW Tour Message-ID: Whos goin to the Brentwood and Guildford shows? The Amsterdam show is June 26 Tilberg June 27 Arnham 28 Brussels 29 Rotterdam 30 There is also a rumor that there will be a show in Paris on June 25. regards, Bill Stewart From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Wed May 15 16:59:50 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 16:59:50 BST Subject: HW Tour Message-ID: I know this has been asked before, but does anyone have the details of the Guildford show ? Just the name of the venue / confirmed date will be a start. Cheers all, Neil. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 15 13:00:19 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 18:00:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Meeses Quote In-Reply-To: <31993942@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: In message <31993942 at volpegate.dot.gov>, "Rudich, Robert A" writes >>Wasn't there a cartoon cat in the 60s whos favorite line was"I hate meeses >to >>pieces". >>What was that cats name? > >>regards, >>Bill 'no life and proud' Stewart > >That would be Jinx. I think he liked some kind of green herb too. > >Rudy > >Ob HW: Jinx did not have a similar opinion of HW. I was going to leave this but... It was MR. Jinx Pixie & Dixie and Mr. Jinx The quote was "I hate THOSE meeces to pieces" I've got two kids under 5, and Cartoon Network is the "preferred" channel in our house. It's not that I don't like, have a life or anything :> -- Jon Browne From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Wed May 15 14:41:41 1996 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 10:41:41 -0800 Subject: OFF: Dr. Who movie In-Reply-To: <199605151534.LAA10710@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 May 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > Nah. But it's worth seeing, when it isn't involved in plot it was very > ambient, full of itself, and full of references to itself and even some > other genre stuff. The plot on the other hand... well, you'll see. > Worth watching, tho. The plot was awful... dull dull dull. -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 15 14:53:55 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 19:53:55 +0100 Subject: HW Tour In-Reply-To: <960515114049_491507881@emout12.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at May 15, 96 11:40:50 am Message-ID: > Whos goin to the Brentwood and Guildford shows? I think I'm going to try! There are 3 UK shows, yes? The other one being in Ipswich? I mean, as long as Bill is coming over I need to try and boost the Stateside presence :) Does anyone one have the ticket prices and ticket ordering info for all three shows? > The Amsterdam show is June 26 I'm tempted to try and make that, but I think it would cost me too much to hop the North Sea and find crash space in Holland! Actually I'm almost equally tempted by the Arnhem gig so I can check out all the 'Market Garden' sites ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 15 14:55:58 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 19:55:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dr. Who movie In-Reply-To: <199605151534.LAA10710@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at May 15, 96 11:34:49 am Message-ID: > Nah. But it's worth seeing, when it isn't involved in plot it was very > ambient, full of itself, and full of references to itself and even some > other genre stuff. The plot on the other hand... well, you'll see. > Worth watching, tho. And McGann get's it all right, it looks like he > studied from the masters. Amazingly, the video release has been delayed here because they're trying to negotiate the 15 rating (!) down to a 12. Pretty sad ;) > Now, if we can only get them to make a follow-up involving the > judgement of the timelords against Doug Smith... Perhaps they could cast DS as the Master :) Cheers, Carl ObOnTopic: I still think Hawkwind should cover the Dr. Who theme :) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 15 15:08:04 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 20:08:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Samples of Shadow Screams In-Reply-To: <31996853@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at May 15, 96 11:09:00 am Message-ID: > >> Then the Shadows decide to start openly attacking and their ships' > >> screams fill the universe. > > > Excellent--that's a really cool noise. I should get my sister to > >sample it and add it to my demo recordings :) Hawkwind should sample it > >and use it themselves :) > > You got it! Screw the Star Trek samples. Can you imagine these screams > moving about the hall as HW cranks up some appropriate tune? I wish I knew > Alien 4 better, there seem to be titles that cry out for this effect. Mmmm. Alien, at least. The tune already has a sinister edge to it which would be well complemented by the Shadow sounds. > BTW - Your sister did a GREAT job adding synths. That band could open for > HW and hold its own, no problem. Maybe your sister could even replace > Harvey. Does she dance in various stages of undress or breathe fire? You are too kind :) but I agree my sister did a great job-- she doesn't even really know any space-rock bands pretty well but I think she did a better job of combining a classic and modern "swooshy noise" vibe than Hawkwind does! I've often thought she'd be the best thing for the HW synth dept. barring a return of DikMik and Del! And I find it very difficult to say something that nice about my sister (older brothers everywhere will understand ;) As for dancing in undress and breathing fire ... I'll have to ask her ;) She might find it difficult to keep the synths and samples running smoothly at the same time ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed May 15 15:28:52 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 15:28:52 -0400 Subject: OFF: Dr. Who movie Message-ID: >> Now, if we can only get them to make a follow-up involving the >> judgement of the timelords against Doug Smith... > > Perhaps they could cast DS as the Master :) They said the Master would be punished for his crimes, but I don't think even he deserves that.... obwhatever: Agree, HW should cover the theme music... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed May 15 16:02:10 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 16:02:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: Dr. Who movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 May 1996, William Fuller wrote: > On Wed, 15 May 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > Nah. But it's worth seeing, when it isn't involved in plot it was very > > ambient, full of itself, and full of references to itself and even some > > other genre stuff. The plot on the other hand... well, you'll see. > > Worth watching, tho. > > The plot was awful... dull dull dull. Well, not so much dull, but lightweight and rather predictable (a comedy of errors, somewhat). The thing that irked me was the overly dramatic intrusive orchestral score. It seemed to me to be the musical equivalent of a laugh track. Come back BBC Radiophonic Workshop, all is forgiven. :-) Incredibly, though, I'm glad I watched it. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Sprawl_ obFolkTalesForOurTimes: The Bevis Frond, "The Puller," _Sprawl_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed May 15 16:35:47 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 16:35:47 -0400 Subject: TEST: PLEASE IGNORE Message-ID: Sorry to use the list as a mail bounce test but I'm in _dire_ straits with this f***g workstation at the moment. M From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed May 15 18:13:01 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 18:13:01 -0400 Subject: BOC: Max Ernst Message-ID: I was in the Tate Gallery earlier today, and while enjoying the Surrealists, I noticed a painting by Max Ernst entitled "Pieta, ou la revolution la nuit" (as actually inscribed on the painting). Now, this might not send any bells ringing, expect the gallery helpfully translates this as "Pieta, or the Revolution by Night". - Andy ObResult: Palace 1 Charlton 0 (3-1 agg) From stayer at PI.NET Mon May 13 21:17:58 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 18:17:58 PDT Subject: (Off)Comedy Bands Message-ID: Niko said: >About Bad News... >Carl's message dated: Sun, 12 May 1996 10:48:43 BST >> Plus, they were produced by Brian May, and do a cover of "Bohemian >> Rhapsody" which is _painfully_ bad :) >Now that one I didn't even remember. Does anyone know if the Bad News >saga is available on video? Is there a soundtrack album? Bad News is available on video. In the UK at least. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Mon May 13 20:51:39 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:51:39 PDT Subject: HW: must be spring questions Message-ID: >> > What would be the best way to get from >> > England to Holland for the Dutch shows (don't want to fly). >> Train via the Channel Tunnel? > I read somewhere (time magazine I think) that there is a new > express bus service which runs from London to Amsterdam (and Paris) > starting this month. > It said that the London-Amsterdam leg would take just four hours, > which sounds remarkably quick to me. However it does cost about the > same as flying (80-90 pounds). I did Amsterdam - Calais - Dover - London by bus and boat once. Price was about 100 guilders, which is about 40 pounds. It only took about 8 hours. Which is the reason why I went to London by plane earlier this month... Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu May 16 03:40:31 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 00:40:31 PDT Subject: HW Tour Message-ID: >Whos goin to the Brentwood and Guildford shows? >The Amsterdam show is June 26 OK, I'll be there. Paradiso or Melkweg? See you there? Let me know. Jerry From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed May 15 23:51:37 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 23:51:37 -0400 Subject: HW Tour Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-15 19:58:38 EDT, you write: >OK, I'll be there. Paradiso or Melkweg? PARADISO. I'll be there too. We will figure a place to meet later. Are you also attending the British shows? regards, Bill Stewart From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 16 11:18:53 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:18:53 BST Subject: HW Tour In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Wed, 15 May 1996 11:40:50 -0400 Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > Whos goin to the Brentwood and Guildford shows? Could be. I'm trying to get info in this festival at cheesefoot head or whatever to see if a gig can be worked in either on the way there or the way back. > Bill Stewart FoFP From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Thu May 16 06:26:45 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:26:45 +0100 Subject: HW and '85 charity gig In-Reply-To: <199605150554.GAA18359@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: Right... the competition for Big Mike's Chris McMahon tape is closed - the winner was Jill for the first incorrect answer as no-one got it right.... The charity gig they participated in in '85 following Bob Geldoff's Band Aid gig was 'Anglia for Africa' and they played a full 1hr 15 min set ^^^^^^ complete with an amazing firework display to accompany the last tracks since this is something of a completist HW gathering shouldn't the gig be included in the information files we have on all things HW? Incidentally we were asked by DB to stop video taping during the show so only have a couple of tracks...on Betamax!! Since I receive boc-l via digest mode these days I must speak in digest too.... 2. I got e-mail from a chap who runs "The Children of the Sun" motorcycling group apparently they have 'official' recognition from the band and is a club for those into motorcycles and the music of Hawkwind without the heavy vibes that goes with some bike clubs/chapters - has anyone any knowledge of them? Cheeri-O Maxine (Does anyone still own a Betamax VCR??) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 16 06:59:51 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:59:51 +0100 Subject: HW: Samples of Shadow Screams In-Reply-To: <31996853@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at May 15, 96 11:09:00 am Message-ID: > BTW - Your sister did a GREAT job adding synths. That band could open for > HW and hold its own, no problem. Maybe your sister could even replace > Harvey. Does she dance in various stages of undress or breathe fire? I'm sure everyone will be glad to know I've got the final word on this .... > Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 17:47:26 -0400 (EDT) > From: Chris Anderson > > i breathe fire. > > extra charge for states of undress. > > chris Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu May 16 12:50:52 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:50:52 BST Subject: Cheesefoot is off!!!! Message-ID: Bad news I'm afraid, it looks like the Cheesefoot Head thing is off. I just got this from the UK-indie list, which someone else had got from the UK-dance list. bye - Rob ------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 07:42:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Jon Barron 01256 373052 Subject: Winch The clouds darken, bells begin to toll, Tory MP's huddle round a cauldron cackling to each other, inventing new things to do with Oranges, string and plastic bags and plotting the destruction of anything that people might enjoy themselves at.......... Yes you guessed it, the Winchester Festival has been cancled due to, concerns about the amount of traffic/people and the fact that they couldn't book any major acts!!! BOLLOKS!!!!!!! Thats it I'm off partying in Europe this summer, I've had it up to here [Gestures above his head] with the low life assholes that run this Country that think anything other than a String Quartet is Satans work and people shouldn't be alowed to enjoy it, that sit and pickle themselfs with Alcohol and Smoke Cigars and then say Drugs are bad for you, and your too stupi d to decide for your self so we'll make them illigal (except for the ones they enjoy of course) and make the choice for you.......... Fucking Hypocritical Bastards.. PAH, UP THE REVOLUTION!!!!!!!! From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 16 08:56:08 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:56:08 +0100 Subject: HW Tour In-Reply-To: <960515114049_491507881@emout12.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 May 1996, Bill Stewart wrote: > Whos goin to the Brentwood and Guildford shows? I might try and get to Brentwood, it not being far from me. Has someone got a way of getting details they can suggest to me? Jazza ObGig: Porcupine Tree, 26th May, The Boat Race, Cambridge - how convenient! /_________________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 460728) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ========================================================================| | "`It's a Venusian space bassist,' said Turner the bird being." | | (Hawkwind, sleeve notes to 'Doremi Fasol Latido') | \_________________________________________________________________________/ From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 16 14:45:29 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:45:29 BST Subject: Cheesefoot is off!!!! In-Reply-To: Rob Stuckey's message of Thu, 16 May 1996 12:50:52 BST Message-ID: Rob Stuckey writes: > The clouds darken, bells begin to toll, Tory MP's huddle round a cauldron > cackling to each other, inventing new things to do with Oranges, string and > plastic bags and plotting the destruction of anything that people might enjoy > themselves at.......... > > Yes you guessed it, the Winchester Festival has been cancled. > > BOLLOKS!!!!!!! Thats it I'm off partying in Europe this summer Hmmmm. Is anyone up for a major Nethawks meet for the Amsterdam gig? I've never been to the place so maybe with a Hawkwind gig and all, it'd be a Favourable Conjunction? FoFP From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu May 16 10:45:13 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 01:45:13 +1100 Subject: HW Tour Message-ID: Bastards, Bastards, Bastards! Paul (feeling extremely geographically challenged ... again) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu May 16 16:09:45 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:09:45 BST Subject: HW: must be spring In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Fri, 10 May 1996 17:56:20 BST Message-ID: Does anyone have any info about the Guildford gig? This might be the easiest one for me to get to, despite Brentwood being some 50 miles nearer -- the trains don't run very late on Saturday nights. Dave. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu May 16 11:08:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:08:00 EDT Subject: HW: re: Samples of Shadow Screams Message-ID: > I'm sure everyone will be glad to know I've got the final >word on this .... >> Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 17:47:26 -0400 (EDT) >> From: Chris Anderson >> >> i breathe fire. >> >> extra charge for states of undress. >> >> chris >Cheers, >Carl Dave would be notorious for being tight, just our luck. I thought Chris did a way better job with the swirly whirly sounds than the HW cover band last New Years in Cleveland. Rudy From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu May 16 11:11:46 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:11:46 +0100 Subject: HW Tour In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 May 1996 13:56:08 BST." Message-ID: Jazza said - > > I might try and get to Brentwood, it not being far from me. Has > someone got a way of getting details they can suggest to me? > Jazza Relative to Cambridge, the Ipwich gig is about half the distance (by road at least, and probably rail too). > ObGig: Porcupine Tree, 26th May, The Boat Race, Cambridge - how convenient! Hmm, I was toying with the idea of seeing this one. Where's the Boat Race ? Tim From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu May 16 11:13:58 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:13:58 +0100 Subject: BOC: Max Ernst In-Reply-To: <960515181301_301535934@emout14.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Well spotted! At a Max Ernst exhibition at the Tate a few years ago, I noticed some H P Lovecraft fans admiring oyterboy-like creatures which were wallowing in the swamps of paintings such as 'The temptation of St Anthony'. - Mike Godwin From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu May 16 11:19:13 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:19:13 +0100 Subject: HW Tour In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 May 1996 16:11:46 BST." <199605161511.QAA22451@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: I lied - > > > > I might try and get to Brentwood, it not being far from me. Has > > someone got a way of getting details they can suggest to me? > > Jazza > > Relative to Cambridge, the Ipwich gig is about half the distance (by road > at least, and probably rail too). Duh ! :-P This is crap. (they're in different directions from Ipswich). But yeah, going down the M11 & M25 to Brentwood is easily as quick as getting to Ipswich from Cambridge. Tim "I have an O-level in geography, honest" From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu May 16 11:46:36 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:46:36 +0100 Subject: Albert's last BOC gig (fwd) Message-ID: I am sending this again as it never came back to me. If you have received it before, sorry for the repeat - Mike Godwin * * * * * * * * As a recent subscriber, I was interested to see Al's last BOC gig listed as being in Norfolk. It was actually in Bedfordshire - I was there and I wrote this review (which was never actually accepted for publication), SOFT WHITE UNDERBELLY, Queensway Hall, Dunstable, August 1981. The Blue Oyster Cult fans were out in force for this 'undercover' warm-up gig for Castle Donington. Some were still wondering whether they'd been conned by a no-publicity stunt until they arrived to see Dunstable plastered with the notorious Kronos symbol _!_ ) T-shirt chic was the order of the day with all the fans checking out the hottest designs. Fortunately my 1976 Agents of Fortune pic was not duplicated. Dead on nine o'clock the PA announced 'From New York City, Soft White Underbelly', and there was Eric belting out THE RED AND THE BLACK (it's their colour scheme) to the citizens of Dunstable. The main surprise of the night came as Bloom introduced the band: 'Buck Dharma; Alan Laneer; Joe Bouchard; and tonight on drums, Rick Downey(?)'. The jaws of dozens of aspiring drummers dropped as they realised that their hero hadn't made the gig. But it was OK - after EXTRA TERRESTRIAL INTELLIGENCE and JOAN CRAWFORD HAS RISEN FROM THE GRAVE: 'Oh here's Albert' said someone, and the world's top rock drummer wandered sheepishly onstage to batter the skins into submission for the rest of the evening. The band: Buck warbled his way through BURNIN' FOR YOU looking like a Klingon Empire traffic warden in his silver lame tanktop; Alan (who looked absolutely DREADFUL) hopped from keyboards to impeccable harmony guitar to attempted frontman (but nobody gave him a mike); Joe looked singularly cheerful singing HOT RAILS TO HELL. The minuses: Someone went into the middle 8 in the wrong place in OD'D ON LIFE ITSELF; Albert never put on a dinosaur head in GODZILLA; Eric didn't shoot firecrackers from his fingers in FLAMING WONDER TELEPATH; Buck was sloppier than usual. The pluses: Buck's amazing E-bow feedback noise on HEAVY METAL BLACK AND SILVER; Albert hammering the snaredrum stand into something like a CB aerial in a crosswind for a shattering version of Michael Moorcock's answer to 'Apocalypse Now', VETERAN OF THE PSYCHIC WARS; and of course Eric Bloom holding the act in one piece, moving round the stage like a prowling vampire as he slashed blood from his palm in UNKNOWN TONGUE. All too soon Joe was into his bass feature, presaging the moment when the smoke bombs went off wham into BORN TO BE WILD (good lord, are they still doing that?) and off they trooped. The carefully programmed encores were WE GOTTA GET OUT OF THIS PLACE and (would you believe) (DON'T FEAR) THE REAPER. Dead on 10.30 they were off and it was over; no CITIES ON FLAME, no LAST DAYS OF MAY, no ME262. 'Sorry I was late' said Albert. POSTSCRIPT (27/8/81): I see from today's weeklies that the day after Dunstable, Albert Bouchard flew back to the States announcing that he had left the band, dooming them to play a duff set at Castle Donington and breaking up what must be by now one of the longest-lived unchanged rock band lineups in rock band history (along with Quo). Don't do it, Albert! Think again! The Stalk Forrest Group needed you! The Soft White Underbelly needed you! Don't quit on BOC just as the band gets its first major chart album! Mick Godwin, Bath, August 1981. Note : I am not absolutely sure of the stand-in drummer's name, but Rick Downey is the drummer on the 1982 Extra Terrestrial Live album, so he is the most likely candidate. From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu May 16 14:57:32 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (ron jennings) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:57:32 -0700 Subject: test don't read Message-ID: you read it anyway... i'm sorry,i am testing,because i have been unable to post for 3 weeks. you don't have to respond to this, i will know if it worked. rj From wildcat at PRYSM.NET Thu May 16 12:52:41 1996 From: wildcat at PRYSM.NET (Jonathan M Thompson) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:52:41 CDT Subject: HW Tour Message-ID: >Bill Stewart writes: > >> Whos goin to the Brentwood and Guildford shows? > >Could be. I'm trying to get info in this festival at cheesefoot head or >whatever to see if a gig can be worked in either on the way there or the >way back. > >> Bill Stewart > >FoFP > Are they going to be around Arkansas, Louisiana, Texas, or Mississippi. Jonathan Thompson SCA: Jonathan MacAilpein wildcat at prysm.net Keeper of the Battletech Mailing List email btech at prysm.net to subscribe "I have been denied everything, even my revenge!"-Goliath From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu May 16 13:24:25 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:24:25 -0400 Subject: HW: re: Samples of Shadow Screams In-Reply-To: <319AB9D8@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at May 16, 96 11:08:00 am Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > > > I'm sure everyone will be glad to know I've got the final > >word on this .... > > >> Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 17:47:26 -0400 (EDT) > >> From: Chris Anderson > >> > >> i breathe fire. > >> > >> extra charge for states of undress. > >> > >> chris > > Dave would be notorious for being tight, just our luck. Well, knowing many Hawkfans, and having met the lady in question, I have no doubt that "passing the hat" would turn up any required extra fundage. :-) "generous to a fault" Steve swann at panix.com From mnspbm at BATH.AC.UK Thu May 16 14:24:14 1996 From: mnspbm at BATH.AC.UK (P B Mitchell) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 19:24:14 +0100 Subject: What tour? Message-ID: I've been off line for a while...can someone advise me on the HW tour dates? Thanks Paul Mitchell From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 16 19:43:47 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 19:43:47 BST Subject: HW and '85 charity gig In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Thu, 16 May 1996 11:26:45 +0100 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > Right... the competition for Big Mike's Chris McMahon tape is closed - the > winner was Jill for the first incorrect answer as no-one got it right.... > > The charity gig they participated in in '85 following Bob Geldoff's Band > Aid gig was 'Anglia for Africa' and they played a full 1hr 15 min set > ^^^^^^ Ah! Thank you - didn't expect that 8-) Akcherly I'm sure I saw a correct answer float past under FoFP's name - except he said 'Norwich' rather than, pedantically, Norfolk and, hence East Anglia, I guess. But I'm happy! > complete with an amazing firework display to accompany the last tracks > since this is something of a completist HW gathering shouldn't the gig be > included in the information files we have on all things HW? Incidentally we > were asked by DB to stop video taping during the show so only have a > couple of tracks...on Betamax!! > Now that's a respectable collectable rarity! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu May 16 22:48:30 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 22:48:30 -0400 Subject: Cheesefoot is off!!!! Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-16 09:48:19 EDT, you write: >Hmmmm. Is anyone up for a major Nethawks meet for the Amsterdam gig? >I've never been to the place so maybe with a Hawkwind gig and all, it'd >be a Favourable Conjunction? Count me in:-)) regards, Bill Stewart From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Fri May 17 01:04:17 1996 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 01:04:17 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: Moderator on vacation 5/18 - ~6/5 Message-ID: Hello, all, I will be going on vacation starting this Saturday morning (5/18) and will probably be completely out of communications through approximately 6/5. During this time, I will be unable to assist in any subscription or other changes. If you have a problem with your list subscription that cannot be resolved by yourself, you can contact the local system administrator, Terry Kennedy, at . [He is also CC'ed on this mail message.] YnSSHM, Ben From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Fri May 17 01:18:11 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 01:18:11 -0400 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players Message-ID: Dave: >>Try running any of the above through an inefficient or poor >>quality pair of speakers, and then upgrade... >I'm not sure what you're getting at, to be honest. Obviously >upgrading speakers will improve a system. I'm saying that >upgrading the amp will improve it just as much. I heard the >differences between the amps I mentioned using my old >speakers, before I upgraded them (Old: Celestion DL6mkII; >New: Mission 752). Nothing much, really. We're pretty much in agreement that a solid amplifier anchors a quality system. Here we are in that old "apples & oranges" zone again. Play any of them through a sub-standard pair of cones, and you'll just get higher quality rattle & hum. Still, can't argue with the logic & reality present in the issue of amp efficiency & clarity. I've always liked the automobile analogy; if you buy a Hyundai, you're definitely going to notice the step up when you get behind the wheel of that Lexus. And when you finally sit down in the back seat of the Rolls, well... Yes, I'd much rather listen to the Levinson... =) "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 17 08:36:56 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 13:36:56 +0100 Subject: HW Tour In-Reply-To: <199605161511.QAA22451@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 May 1996, bart wrote: > Jazza said - > > > > > I might try and get to Brentwood, it not being far from me. Has > > someone got a way of getting details they can suggest to me? > > Jazza > > Relative to Cambridge, the Ipwich gig is about half the distance (by road > at least, and probably rail too). I know that, but by the time of the gig I'll be back in Rickmansworth, which is a _long_ way from Ipswich... > > ObGig: Porcupine Tree, 26th May, The Boat Race, Cambridge - how convenient! > > Hmm, I was toying with the idea of seeing this one. Where's the Boat Race ? South-east side of Cambridge, near the pulsating commercial organism that is the Grafton Centre. I'll be there, Jon /_________________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 460728) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ========================================================================| | "`It's a Venusian space bassist,' said Turner the bird being." | | (Hawkwind, sleeve notes to 'Doremi Fasol Latido') | \_________________________________________________________________________/ From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri May 17 08:58:40 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 08:58:40 -0400 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players In-Reply-To: <960517011811_302857295@emout07.mail.aol.com> from "Douglas A Mitchell" at May 17, 96 01:18:11 am Message-ID: Douglas A Mitchell writes: > > Dave: > > >>Try running any of the above through an inefficient or poor > >>quality pair of speakers, and then upgrade... > > >I'm not sure what you're getting at, to be honest. Obviously > >upgrading speakers will improve a system. I'm saying that > >upgrading the amp will improve it just as much. I heard the > >differences between the amps I mentioned using my old > >speakers, before I upgraded them (Old: Celestion DL6mkII; > >New: Mission 752). > > Nothing much, really. We're pretty much in agreement that a > solid amplifier anchors a quality system. Here we are in that > old "apples & oranges" zone again. Play any of them through > a sub-standard pair of cones, and you'll just get higher quality > rattle & hum. Still, can't argue with the logic & reality present > in the issue of amp efficiency & clarity. I've always liked the > automobile analogy; if you buy a Hyundai, you're definitely > going to notice the step up when you get behind the wheel of > that Lexus. And when you finally sit down in the back seat > of the Rolls, well... > > Yes, I'd much rather listen to the Levinson... =) This is *wildly* off topic, but buried somewhere in the depths of my collection, I still have the infamous Audio "Best of '88" issue, where demonstrated the sturdiness of a "home audio" (yeah, if your last name is Rockefeller) amplifier by using it to arc-weld 2 pices of steel together. ;-) Also in that iss were those $65,000/pair Infinity "home" speakers that Infinity will *only* custom install. And yes, the Audio team saw fit to point out certain deficiencies in their sound, which would make them unable to *really* satisfy the true audiophile. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From stayer at PI.NET Fri May 17 03:07:25 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 00:07:25 PDT Subject: HW - Paradiso Message-ID: Bill, >>OK, I'll be there. Paradiso or Melkweg? >PARADISO. I'll be there too. We will figure a place to meet later. Are you >also attending the British shows? I's surprised they're back to the Paradiso! It's great, a lot better than the Melkweg for quite a long time. (They're only 300 meters apart from each other, you knew that?) But now, Melkweg have built a new hall, which is almost the same size as the Paradiso and is wonderful. Paradiso became a bit of an elite thing - all the big names (including the Stones) wanted to play there (again). Paradiso have a contract with Mojo, the biggest tour organiser / promotor in Holland. I haven't seen much of the Paradiso the last couple of years. I wish some progressive rock tour promotors would notice and know about the Melkweg - I love the place. I just came back from London, and I don't think it would be a good idea to take another week off of work. Better luck next time (I only saw John Wetton the week that I was there). We'll arrange a place to meet later. TTYL, Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Fri May 17 03:13:24 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 00:13:24 PDT Subject: HW Tour Message-ID: Bill, Were you the one who needed some green herbs on doctor's orders? :-) We will be sure to get some there in Amsterdam! Jerry From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri May 17 10:14:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:14:00 EDT Subject: HW: re - HW Tour Message-ID: >Are they going to be around Arkansas, Louisiana, Texas, or Mississippi. Have they ever been? What's happening with the stop(s) in Germany? The German tax on foreign performers has been in the news here. Seems they are biting too much and performers are staying away in droves. MJ may have shocked them enough to change, but there has been no follow up. Rudy From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri May 17 14:19:52 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 15:19:52 -0300 Subject: Off: Gong 25th party track listing Message-ID: Hi. Does anyone have the track listing of Gong's 25th Birthday party CD to hand? I'm thinking of buying it by mail order, but I'd like to know what I'm getting. Dave. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri May 17 10:51:19 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:51:19 -0400 Subject: HW Tour Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-17 09:59:07 EDT, you write: >Were you the one who needed some green herbs on doctor's orders? :-) We will >be sure to get some there in Amsterdam! Yes indeedy i'm the one. If we can't score in Amsterdam we are truly a *very* sorry lot. regards, Bill 'standing on the runway' Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri May 17 10:53:54 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:53:54 -0400 Subject: HW: re - HW Tour Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-17 10:16:30 EDT, you write: >What's happening with the stop(s) in Germany? As far as I know, the only German show will be the outdoor festival in July. regards, Bill Stewart From wildcat at PRYSM.NET Fri May 17 11:13:12 1996 From: wildcat at PRYSM.NET (Jonathan M Thompson) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:13:12 CDT Subject: HW: re - HW Tour Message-ID: >>Are they going to be around Arkansas, Louisiana, Texas, or Mississippi. > >Have they ever been? They have been in my Living Room, but I dont think on CD counts :) I figure it was worth the question if I would have been able to see them :) Jonathan Thompson SCA: Jonathan MacAilpein wildcat at prysm.net Keeper of the Battletech Mailing List email btech at prysm.net to subscribe "I have been denied everything, even my revenge!"-Goliath From sai at TOPAZ.MICROBIO.UAB.EDU Fri May 17 11:26:45 1996 From: sai at TOPAZ.MICROBIO.UAB.EDU (Sai) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:26:45 -0500 Subject: alien 4 release in US?? Message-ID: hey all, anybody know when alien 4 is gonna be released in the U.S? griffin said that they were supposed to do it in may and i havent seen/heard anything about it. any info??? cheers... -- Arioch (sai at topaz.microbio.uab.edu) Daemon prince of Chaos (a.k.a Cell and Molecular Biology Graduate student) The East side of the 9th plane of hell (a.k.a Dept. of Microbiology) Dimension of Chaos (a.k.a University of Alabama at Birmingham...) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 17 05:04:24 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:04:24 +0100 Subject: HW : Nethawks in Amsterdam In-Reply-To: <9605161445.aa29669@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9605161445.aa29669 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >Hmmmm. Is anyone up for a major Nethawks meet for the Amsterdam gig? >I've never been to the place so maybe with a Hawkwind gig and all, it'd >be a Favourable Conjunction? > >FoFP It's a good idea, isn't it? If I can get away at all this summer, that's the one I'd head for. Unfortunatly, burglar scum just trashed my shop, stole everything except my HW cd's (?) and tore about 10 years work out of my soul. So I'm _probably_ going to miss summer this year. Already had to cancel the first holiday since my daughter was born. :( -- Jon Browne From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Fri May 17 11:57:50 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:57:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Chaos Video Message-ID: Hi folks, Sorry if I missed this thread the first time around, but what is the date of this show? I think its around 86 or 87? Many thanks Chris From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri May 17 12:22:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 12:22:00 EDT Subject: HW: Album Question Message-ID: I came across a HW album "Astral Mind Games" on Cleopatra, listed on an on line service. Since this hasn't been mentioned in any list resources like the Discography, anybody familiar with it? I'd imagine it is a compilation. Rudy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri May 17 12:24:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 12:24:00 EDT Subject: HW: Chaos Video Message-ID: >Sorry if I missed this thread the first time around, but what is the date of >this show? I think its around 86 or 87? 3/12/86 is the date From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri May 17 18:14:32 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 18:14:32 BST Subject: HW: Album Question In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Fri, 17 May 1996 12:22:00 EDT Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > I came across a HW album "Astral Mind Games" on Cleopatra, listed on an on > line service. Since this hasn't been mentioned in any list resources like > the Discography, anybody familiar with it? I'd imagine it is a compilation. > If this is Hawkwind could you get a copy for me - or order it - or summat. I'm away for a few days now but would be ETERNALLY grateful if you were able to procure it for me - if it's anything relevant. I'll pay you whatever as necessary. Promise. Jill (back on Tuesday) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri May 17 13:28:34 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 13:28:34 -0400 Subject: BOC: anybody Message-ID: Sheez, what happend to the BOC half of the list? (no, Big "Buck" CD players is not about Don Roeser...) So, anyways... anyone on the list going to that boc barbecue? It's next weekend (far too distant for me to make it...), but seems to be more of an effort of the aol group than this one... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From wildcat at PRYSM.NET Fri May 17 13:44:59 1996 From: wildcat at PRYSM.NET (Jonathan M Thompson) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 12:44:59 CDT Subject: BOC: anybody Message-ID: >Sheez, what happend to the BOC half of the list? > >(no, Big "Buck" CD players is not about Don Roeser...) > >So, anyways... anyone on the list going to that boc >barbecue? It's next weekend (far too distant for me >to make it...), but seems to be more of an effort >of the aol group than this one... So where is it? Its probably too far away for me to go too. :( As far as BOC I recently picked up Workshop of the Telescopes and Bad Channels. Jonathan Thompson SCA: Jonathan MacAilpein wildcat at prysm.net Keeper of the Battletech Mailing List email btech at prysm.net to subscribe "I have been denied everything, even my revenge!"-Goliath From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri May 17 14:19:59 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 14:19:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: anybody Message-ID: >So where is it? Its probably too far away for me to go too. :( As far as >BOC I recently picked up Workshop of the Telescopes and Bad Channels. Southern California... Well, everyone said they would address this later than sooner, but I guess this is as good a time to comment on the track selection from WOTT. Basically they at least one song from every album except Imaginos (why? Eric had nothing to do with it, this was CBS all the way....). Hokay. The first album is one of the two most-represented on the list, with Cities on Flame ('kay, it's gotta be on there, first single, etc.) Transmaniacon MC (okay, I guess, first song on first album, there were others I'd have preferred) Before the Kiss, A Redcap (indispensible) Stairway to the Stars (indispensible, but should have been first, since it's a traditional kick-off tune...) Buck's Boogie (good to have since it's from a source many of us didn't have...) Workshop of the Telescopes (who ever heard of leaving off the title tune for the compilation? Oh, wait, "career of evil" compilation did that. Demo version. Cool.) In all, that's five of the songs from the first album (not BB), and they somehow left off "Then Came the Last Days of May"!!! grrrrrrr Then, T&M had: The Red & The Black (demo version, cool...) 7 Screaming Diz-Busters (indispensible) that's it, no Hot Rails, no Quicklime, Wings Wetted, ah, well. Most albums got only two tracks. Secret Treaties was probably the most represented, though many were from later live versions. Career of Evil (not indispensible, good nonetheless) Flaming Telepaths (indispensible) Astronomy (indispensible) and Subhuman (I would have preferred the BOC version on Imaginos) Harvester of Eyes (indispensible) M.E. 262 (ditto) from OYFOOYK. Those three, with D&S appearing later, make seven songs from ST covered in one way or another... (which means they left off "Cagey Cretins", fine by me....) Born to be Wild was first time on CD, but I could have lived without it. Then, Agents had: DFTR (has there ever been a BOC collection without this?) This ain't the summer of love..... (okay, I would have preferred Vera Gemeni...) E.T.I. (indispensible) Spectres had: Godzilla (indispensible) Goin' through the motions.... (uh, not that I mind the song, but.... there are far better things to pick, IMHO) Golden Age of Leather.... (good choice...) (no I Love the Night, Nosferatu, Death Valley Nights, Fireworks, R.U. Ready 2 Rock...) followed by two covers from Some Enchanted Evenings, Kick out the Jams We Gotta Get out of the Place..... WHY??? this is a BOC compilation, dammit. SEE had a wonderful Astronomy, Godzilla.... Mirrors had only one track, In Thee. (Nice enough tune, but I really wanted Dr. Music or I am the Storm or Sun Jester.....) And amazingly, so did Cultosaurus Erectus, with The Marshall Plan (AAAAAUGGH! They left off Black Blade! Unknown Tongue! Lips in the Hills! For this???? I would have been happier with anything else off this album, it deserves better coverage. Did they pick their tracks to follow Arthur Levy's liner notes? Fire of Unknown had 2: Veteran of the Psychic Wars (indispensible) Burnin' for You. (indispensible) For once I have no arguement with them here, 'cept I prefer them in the other order. Off, ETL, here's where they fit in Dominance & Submission. Hokay, one of the last with Al... it's okay, I liked it's Veteran or Hot Rails better... >From RBN, they toss in Take Me Away (if they botched this I'd never forgive them. Indispensible) Shooting Shark (hmm, enough people on here seem to like it. ) and Club Ninja gets 2 tracks (twice as much as Mirrors or Cultosaurus, I might add...) Dancin' in the Ruins (I guess if you had to pick one...., though it's not by them... wonder which came first, the liner notes or the track selection... and Perfect Water (um, yeah. CN should not have had two tracks.) and, as previously mentioned, NO tracks from Imaginos (I've seen tracklists from foreign compilations that use one or two Imaginos tracks.....) anyways, my .02 cents. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 17 16:34:01 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 16:34:01 -0400 Subject: BOC: anybody Message-ID: Got no time to comment on Andrew's review of WOTT (I've already given mine anyway), but just wanted to correct one thing (actually 3) -- the 3 tracks he calls "demo" versions are not demos -> they are live cuts which were on the "BOC Bootleg" disk. The disk also had a version of "Cities on Flame", which to be complete, should've been on WOTT (although the studio version on BOC is superior in quality). John From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Fri May 17 17:36:44 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 17:36:44 -0400 Subject: BOC: anybody Message-ID: Andrew: >Sheez, what happend to the BOC half of the list? >(no, Big "Buck" CD players is not about Don Roeser...) It's not? (chuckle) That is a good question, though. It's not like we've had a huge influx of folks over on the alt.m.boc, although a few notable minds have sauntered by recently. Thanks... >So, anyways... anyone on the list going to that boc >barbecue? It's next weekend (far too distant for me >to make it...), but seems to be more of an effort >of the aol group than this one... Of course I am! It was half my idea! (patting self on back) That aside, the First Annual BOC BBQ rapidly approaches, and the attendance is rumored to be anywhere from 20 to about 35. Most of the folk there will be of the AOL ilk, but more than a few of those have existed here at one time or another. (you know who you are... =) So, how far IS too far Andrew? I'm trekking down from the Great Wet North (Seattle), and I would have gone farther. Say, maybe, the Yucatan? Imaginos & all, it could have been an interesting theme party... For those who find the idea of an Annual National Gathering appealing, the Second Annual BOC BBQ is already in the planning stages, and based upon some input from those who attend the First, we will begin organizing next year's event. The BOC beers are the focal point of this year's shindig, and promise to be spectacular (I've sampled them, and helped in the naming of two). We will be brewing the fifth & final flavor on Sunday the 26th, as we will all likely need some rest after a full day of BOC revelry on Saturday the 25th... =) Manuel, are you still coming up? (New Mexico, right?) See you there? Any questions can be directed to , our fine host & Official Brewmaster Of Cult. So sayeth Buck, Eric, & Allen (who gave the Buck's Blazing Bitter two thumbs up!). It's going to be a blast... "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Fri May 17 17:36:46 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 17:36:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: anybody Message-ID: Jonathon: >So where is it? Its probably too far away for me to go too. :( Santa Rosa, California. Sunrise to sunrise to sunset, March 25 & 26... =) It will be time. "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM Fri May 17 17:36:47 1996 From: DwnTheMtn at AOL.COM (Douglas A Mitchell) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 17:36:47 -0400 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players Message-ID: Steve: I *promise* that this will be my last post on this one... =) >This is *wildly* off topic, but buried somewhere in the depths of my >collection, I still have the infamous Audio "Best of '88" issue, where >demonstrated the sturdiness of a "home audio" (yeah, if your last name >is Rockefeller) amplifier by using it to arc-weld 2 pices of steel >together. ;-) As long as those filter caps are big enough, go for it. >Also in that iss were those $65,000/pair Infinity "home" speakers that >Infinity will *only* custom install. And yes, the Audio team saw fit >to point out certain deficiencies in their sound, which would make >them unable to *really* satisfy the true audiophile. ;-) Having worked "in the industry" for a couple years, this brings back humorous memories. All true audiophiles seek the grail, the sound that only the Almighty himself (choose one) can create. Wonder what kind or rack the Big Guy's got? =) "The Snowman" _?_ Tuned in to life's essentials... Douglas A. Mitchell I Skiing, Backpacking, & the mighty Blue Oyster Cult! Home: dwnthemtn at aol.com Office: dmitch at microscan.com WE UNDERSTAND... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They're OK the last days of May, but I'll be breathin' dry air, I'm leaving soon, the others are already there...Wouldn't be interested in coming along, instead of staying here? It said the West is nice this time of year, that's what they say." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri May 17 18:24:57 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 18:24:57 -0400 Subject: alien 4 release in US?? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-17 11:26:49 EDT, you write: >hey all, > anybody know when alien 4 is gonna be released in the U.S? griffin >said that they were supposed to do it in may and i havent seen/heard anything >about it. any info??? cheers... > > It seems the Hawk's management is not satisfied with the deal Griffin is giving them and is shopping the record around. Good f**king luck. regards, Bill Stewart From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat May 18 00:13:27 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 00:13:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: Anybody/WOTT Message-ID: Oh, BTW, in case I didn't make it clear from all my whining about WOTT, I really liked the set, and felt it was a vast improvement over earlier compilations.... (still want a boxed set, tho....) =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat May 18 01:23:21 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 00:23:21 -0500 Subject: BOC: anybody Message-ID: On 17-MAY-1996 17:44:16.5 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Jonathon: >>So where is it? Its probably too far away for me to go too. :( >Santa Rosa, California. >Sunrise to sunrise to sunset, March 25 & 26... =) >It will be time. It will be a time I'd hate to miss. I've been considering this, but figured it too long of a trek for me. Not sure I have it straight, though -- how far is Santa Rosa from San Bernardino? Is Santa Rosa REALLY southern Ca or is it getting kinda north? Ah, but then work on Sun morn could be a prob... Shit. Chuck `[1;30;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From stayer at PI.NET Sat May 18 04:19:57 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 01:19:57 PDT Subject: HW Tour, but now OFF Amsterdam Message-ID: >>Were you the one who needed some green herbs on doctor's orders? :-) >>We will be sure to get some there in Amsterdam! >Yes indeedy i'm the one. If we can't score in Amsterdam we are truly a >*very* sorry lot. No doubt about that! I just got some new weeds from (gasp) BUSSUM's local what-we-call-coffeeshop. The shop and the stuff is under control of the local government, and checked by the police and TNO, a Dutch organization for testing all kinds of things (from vacuum cleaners to cars to milk to weeds). Best quality you can get. Jerry From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat May 18 07:57:36 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 12:57:36 +0100 Subject: HW Tour, but now OFF Amsterdam In-Reply-To: from "Jerry" at May 18, 96 01:19:57 am Message-ID: > I just got some new weeds from (gasp) BUSSUM's local > what-we-call-coffeeshop. The shop and the stuff is under control of the local > government, and checked by the police and TNO, a Dutch organization for > testing all kinds of things (from vacuum cleaners to cars to milk to weeds). > Best quality you can get. Now _that's_ civilization. Everything safe, legal, and regulated. BTW, anyone know how to get tix for the various English gigs and the Amsterdam gig? I'm trying to work out how many UK shows I can make--and since there's going to me a gathering in Amsterdam with several folks I haven't met I'm trying to decide whether I can afford to hope the North Sea, see the show, crash, and get back to the UK the next day. What are ticket prices and does anyone know the cheapest way from East Anglia to Amsterdam? After all, since Bill S. is showing up, I need to add to the American Expeditionary Hawkforce :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From stayer at PI.NET Sat May 18 18:28:08 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 15:28:08 PDT Subject: HW Tour, but now OFF Amsterdam Message-ID: >> I just got some new weeds from (gasp) BUSSUM's local >> what-we-call-coffeeshop. The shop and the stuff is under control of the local >> government, and checked by the police and TNO, a Dutch organization for >> testing all kinds of things (from vacuum cleaners to cars to milk to weeds). >> Best quality you can get. > Now _that's_ civilization. Everything safe, legal, and regulated. Civilization alright :-), but not completely legal. Tolerance, that's it. Jerry From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat May 18 09:40:04 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 09:40:04 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re Paul's Ob CD Message-ID: >Never heard the Minutemen actually, but fIREHOSE's 'Ragin' Full On' is a very > fine piece of work. > > Keith H. well, here's some links to shed some light on watt, etc.: minutemen/watt page http://www.magick.net/~michael/music8.html minutemen page http://jsiegel.earthlink.net/rock/minutemen/minutemen.html minutemen page http://www.fluxion.com/~billder/minutemen/ minutemen in hall of fame? http://www.rockhall.com/cgi-bin/HyperNews/get/inductees/75/5.html From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Sat May 18 16:12:20 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 15:12:20 EST Subject: HW: Corridor Of Flame Message-ID: Just got in the new HW boot CD "Corridor of Flame". Here's the 411: HAWKWIND - Corridor Of Flame 1. Technicians of Spaceship Earth - 12/12/71 Birmingham, Kinetic Playground 2. Void of Golden Light - 4/23/95 Boulder, Fox Theatre 3. Lost Chronicles - 10/1/88 Clyro Court Festival 4. Mark of Cain - 6/1/85 Folkestone, Leas Cliffe Hall 5. The Secret Agent - 4/29/93 Utrecht, Tivoli 6. Beast of Chaos - 10/16/71 Potter's Bar, Elm Court 7. Crystal Void - 7/6/91 London, Brixton Academy 8. Steppenwolf - 11/12/82 Hammersmith Odeon 9. Lord of Light - 10/28/95 Berlin, Marquee 10. Cajun Jinx - 11/27/86 Hammersmith Odeon 11. Phone Home Elliott - 11/15/82 Chippenham, Goldigger's Club 12. The Age of the Micro Man - 4/5/95 St.Catherine's, Hideaway 13. Waiting For My Man - 2/27/77 London, Roundhouse 14. PXR5 - 12/6/79 Preston, Guild Hall 15. The Golden Void - 10/27/81 Oxford, Apollo Theatre The front cover is a grey stone archway with a carved, two-headed hawk at the top. The doorway is filled with flames, with a small window into blue sky visible some distance away thru the flames. The floor of the room is covered in a black-and-white zigzag pattern. Kneeling on the floor, in front of the doorway into flames, is a naked human figure in a fetal position, his face clutched in his hands. A few pieces of unusual artwork adorn the walls. The CD insert folds open to reveal the words to "The Golden Void", as written on a piece of parchment laying on a solid black background. The back cover is a black background with "HAWKWIND" in flaming letters across the top, "CORRIDOR OF FLAME" in white just below it. The remainder is a piece of parchment, containing the tracklisting as shown above. A little triangle in the bottom right corner in red identifies this as "A Nova Drive Production". There is a little red symbol in the bottom left corner. The CD itself now has a round paper sticker label identifying it. The sticker is white, with "HAWKWIND" in orange and "Corridor Of Flame" in black. Also, the CD creation number is included: I have numbers 0009 and 0010. One (minor) complaint is that one of the stickers wrinkled slightly during the placement on the CD-R; I was able to smooth it with a thumbnail, and this should cause no significant listening problem. (Since I produce my company's software shipments on CD-R, I can personally attest to how difficult it sometimes is to place round stickers on round CDs, and get it perfectly centered and attached. The easiest way is to purchase a special "sticker-attaching" dowel-like device for about US$80. Perhaps we can pass that recommendation on to the CD maker.) I am listening to the CD even as I write this. The quality is similar to that of previous efforts 'Nova Drive' and 'Timeless Paeans..', varying from song to song. Different recording levels and occasional audience noise still appear, although close editing attempts to minimize abrupt changes when a new song starts. All in all, this appears to be an improvement over previous releases, especially in the area of track selection. Some rare songs appear here, and all songs are clearly identified as to origin. The entire package is quite professional. Note that sonic quality can be an issue on some songs, but many of these songs are also much harder to find than your average HW tune. Captain Cloud From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat May 18 15:37:36 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 15:37:36 -0400 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players Message-ID: I just bought a Pioneer 100 disk player. It is programmable up to 37 steps and will randomly play tracks from all 100 cds in the unit. It's like having a juke box in the living room. The cost was about $450.00, which is about what I paid for the old pioneer I bought when the only cds you could buy were Led Zep or Tull or the Stones(a long time ago). The sound is fine by me. regards, Bill (got my plane tickets today) Stewart From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat May 18 16:57:47 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 22:57:47 +0200 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players Message-ID: At 15:37 1996-05-18 -0400, you wrote: >I just bought a Pioneer 100 disk player. It is programmable up to 37 steps >and will randomly play tracks from all 100 cds in the unit. It's like having >a juke box in the living room. The cost was about $450.00, which is about >what I paid for the old pioneer I bought when the only cds you could buy were >Led Zep or Tull or the Stones(a long time ago). The sound is fine by me. >regards, ok, Bill just wanna know which one you're going to put aside of the following 101 CD's? year/mth format name type of release 1970/8 CD Hawkwind Main Release 1971/10 CD X In Search Of Space Main Release 1972/6 CD Glastonbury Fayre Various Artists 1972/11 CD Doremi Fasol Latido Main Release 1973/5 2CD Space Ritual Main Release 1974/9 CD Hall Of The Mountain Grill Main Release 1975/5 CD Warrior On The Edge Of Time Main Release 1976/8 CD Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music Main Release 1977/2 CD Masters of the Universe Compilation 1977/6 CD Quark Strangeness And Charm Main Release 1978/10 CD Hawklords: 25 Years On. Main Release 1979/5 CD PXR5 Main Release 1980/7 CD Live Seventy Nine Main Release 1980/11 CD Levitation Main Release 1982/5 CD Church of Hawkwind Main Release 1983/7 CD The Text Of Festival: Live 1970-2 Official Bootleg 1983/10 CD Zones Main Release 1984/11 CD This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic Main Release 1985/1 CD Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin Official Bootleg 1985/5 CD Live (Space Ritual vol II) Official Bootleg 1985/7 CD Master Of The Universe Official Bootleg 1985/11 CD Acid Dace Volume 1 Anthology Daze 1985/11 CD The Chronicle Of The Black Sword Main Release 1985/11 CD Ridicule Official Bootleg 1986/6? CD Acid Dace Volume II Anthology Daze 1986/6 CD Acid Dace Volume III Anthology Daze 1986/10 CD The Hawkwind Collection Anthology Daze 1986/11 2CD Acid Dace, The History of Anthology Daze 1986/11 CD/2CD Live Chronicles Main Release 1987/4 CD Out And Intake Main Release 1987/11 CD British Tribal Music Anthology Daze 1987/11 CD Early Daze Official Bootleg Compilation 1988/4 CD The Xenon Codex Main Release 1988/9 CD Spirit of the Age Compilation 1988/11 CD The Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations F&R Family 1988/11 CD Zones / Stonehenge Album Compilation 1988/12 CD Traveller's Aid Trust Various Artists 1988/12 2CD/CD That's Original: Levitation / Hawkwind Live Album Compilation 1989/3 CD Ironstrike Anthology Daze 1989/4 CD Night of the Hawk Compilation 1990/4 CD Stasis - The U.A. Years 1971-1975 Compilation 1990 CD The Best of & the Rest of... Anthology Daze 1990 CD Metal Classics #2: Best of Hawkwind Compilation 1990 CD Night Riding Anthology Daze 1990/9 CD Space Bandits Main Release 1991 CD Masters of The Universe Anthology Daze 1991/6 CD Palace Springs Main Release 1991 CD Castle Masters Collection Anthology Daze 1991/9 CD Space Rock from London Bootleg 1991/10 CD Spirit of The Age Anthology Daze 1991/10 CD BBC Radio One Live in Concert Live Obscurity 1991/11 CD The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic...Live Obscurity 1991/12 3CD Anthology Compilation 1992/2 3CD Three Originals Album Compilation 1992/3 CD Friday Rock Show - Live at Reading '86 Bootleg 1992/4 CD Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 Compilation 1992/5 CD Electric Tepee Main Release 1992/5 CD Psychedelic Warlords (The Best of) Compilation 1992/5 CD The Hawklords Live Live Obscurity 1992/7 CD California Brainstorm Official Bootleg 1992 CD Orgasmatron Bootleg 1992 CD Tales from Atom Henge Compilation 1993 CD Live - St.Albans 1979 Bootleg 1993/4 CD Lord of Light Compilation 1993 CD Kings of Speed, Lords of Light Bootleg 1993 CD Undisclosed Files (- Addendum) Bootleg/Official Bootleg 1993/11 CD It Is The Business of the Future to be... Main Release 1994 CD The Best of Hawkwind Friends and Relations F&R Family 1994 CD Dawn of Hawkwind Bootleg 1994 CD Rock City Bootleg 1994 CD The Best of Hawkwind Anthology Daze 1994 CD The Business Trip Main Release 1994 4CD 25 Years On Compilation 1995 CD Psychedelic Warriors: White Zone Main Release 1995/2 CD Silver Machine Anthology Daze 1995 CD Friends & Relations, the Rarities F&R Family 1995/10 CD Space is Deep Anthology Daze? 1995/10 CD Independent Days 1 & 2 Compilation 1995/10 CD Alien 4 Main Release 1995/11 CD-R Nova Drive Bootleg 1995/12 CD-R Damnation Alley Bootleg 1996/1 CD-R Timeless Paeans From the Ongoing Rituals... Bootleg 1996/4 CD-R The Secret Tepee Bootleg 1996/4 CD Friends & Realations: Cosmic Travellers F&R Family 1996/4 CD The Emergency Broadcast System Samples Compilation 1996/5 CD-R Corridors of Flame Bootleg 1993 CD Decide Your Future EP 1994 CD Spirit of the Age: Solstice Remixes EP 1994 CD Quark Strangeness and Charm EP 1995/10 CD Area S4 EP >Bill (got my plane tickets today) Stewart \\joe :0) From chriss at MDC.NET Sat May 18 17:22:54 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 22:22:54 +0100 Subject: BOC: anybody Message-ID: SNIP.... > >and, as previously mentioned, NO tracks from Imaginos (I've seen >tracklists from >foreign compilations that use one or two Imaginos tracks.....) > >anyways, my .02 cents. What tracks did these foreign comps have from Imaginos, what did they leave off to fit those tracks, and where can I get the above mentioned comps??? Chris From chriss at MDC.NET Sat May 18 17:42:32 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 22:42:32 +0100 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players Message-ID: >I just bought a Pioneer 100 disk player. It is programmable up to 37 steps >and will randomly play tracks from all 100 cds in the unit. It's like having >a juke box in the living room. The cost was about $450.00, which is about >what I paid for the old pioneer I bought when the only cds you could buy were >Led Zep or Tull or the Stones(a long time ago). The sound is fine by me. >regards, I've had one for a year and a half, you can find them for $299 at Service Merchandise (usually an older model). It's a great machine, and you can link up to 3 of them together in sequence! Chris From mordru at MAGG.NET Sun May 19 01:09:56 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 01:09:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: anybody Message-ID: > SNIP.... >> >>and, as previously mentioned, NO tracks from Imaginos (I've seen >>tracklists from >>foreign compilations that use one or two Imaginos tracks.....) > What tracks did these foreign comps have from Imaginos, what did >they leave off to fit those tracks, and where can I get the above mentioned >comps??? They're on the FAQ. I think one was an italian compilation, can't recall for certain offhand. I normally keep the FAQ at my office, where I answer my mail during the week. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun May 19 07:45:33 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 12:45:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Samples of Shadow Screams Message-ID: My sister wishes to let aspiring synth people know she's tutoring at the Timara Summer Workshop, July 13-28 or thereabouts where people can (and I quote): "learn to breathe fire with interstellar whales. Really. It's in the syllabus, I swear ..." No, I haven't the slightest idea where the workshop is taking place, but in the unlikely event that anyone wishes to combine pyrotechnics, space travel, and sea mammals I could probably find out. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From stayer at PI.NET Sun May 19 05:37:23 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 02:37:23 PDT Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players Message-ID: >Bill (got my plane tickets today) Stewart Plane tickets to Amsterdam? When will you arrive there? We should arrange a place to meet - have some beers and enjoy some local herbs... Jerry From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun May 19 08:59:16 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 23:59:16 +1100 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players Message-ID: On 18 May 96 Johan Edlundh wrote about Re: Other: Big Buck CD Players: > At 15:37 1996-05-18 -0400, you wrote: > >I just bought a Pioneer 100 disk player. It is programmable up to 37 steps > >and will randomly play tracks from all 100 cds in the unit. It's like having > > ok, Bill > just wanna know which one you're going to put aside of the following 101 CD's? That's a novel way to introduce your update to the (now poorly named) Top 100 list Joe! > 1996/5 CD-R Corridors of Flame Bootleg Have I missed something here ? Paul/Soniqu? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon May 20 10:24:42 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:24:42 EST Subject: HW: Corridor Of Flame In-Reply-To: <9605181512.A16554@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com>; from "cjohnson" at May 19, 96 03:12:20 pm Message-ID: Where can you got hold of one of these? regards Marty From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Mon May 20 03:42:39 1996 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 08:42:39 +0100 Subject: NIK: Festival Date 24-27.05.96 Message-ID: Nik Turner and others Spring Fair at Clwtypatrwn, Llanfair, Lamepeter, Dyfed SA48 8ND Ticket only @above address ?35-00 Phone 01239 698313 or 01348 874685 for details. Was given details in the pub at the weekend, as it was Nik related someone might be interested... Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk 'Sunrise Wrongside of Another Day' "Kilminster" --------------------------------------------- From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon May 20 12:06:50 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 12:06:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Love in Space Message-ID: Well, it's now out! Only just started playing it, so no comment yet - nice sleeve though! The stuff that looked a bit dodgy close up - Ron's outfit, the robot - looks really cool in the photos! FAQ section: yes, it does have lyrics, and no, it doesn't say which gigs. (Monsieur Paul - your copy is on its way) - Andy From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon May 20 15:54:56 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:54:56 -0400 Subject: OFF: Trainspotting Message-ID: Boy, I get bored easily when the BOC-L tide ebbs :-). Any way, to mention something off topic, I just started reading a book called Trainspotting by Irvin Welsh (sp?). I highly recommend it to members of the list (but not to the sqeamish). It describes the lives of some folk living in Edinburgh including some junkies and psychos. My favorite part so far is where the hero (undergoing heroin withdrawal) has to retrieve his opium suppositories from a full toilet in the back of a bookies Martyn Ob tenuous boc-l connection: I wander if any of our Edinburgh list members know any of the characters in the book :-) From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon May 20 20:58:56 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:58:56 BST Subject: OFF: Trainspotting Message-ID: > > Boy, I get bored easily when the BOC-L tide ebbs :-). Any way, > to mention something off topic, I just started reading a book > called Trainspotting by Irvin Welsh (sp?). I highly recommend it > to members of the list (but not to the sqeamish). It describes > the lives of some folk living in Edinburgh including some junkies > and psychos. My favorite part so far is where the hero (undergoing > heroin withdrawal) has to retrieve his opium suppositories from > a full toilet in the back of a bookies > > Martyn > > Ob tenuous boc-l connection: I wander if any of our Edinburgh > list members know any of the characters in the book :-) > Perhaps you didn't know that this book has just been turned into a film of the same name.....and rather good it is too, very funny and quite bizarre in places. bye - Rob From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon May 20 16:29:37 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:29:37 +0200 Subject: BBC Transcription Disc for sale! Message-ID: while browsing the net I found the information below on this url: http://www.poptel.org.uk/polkaville/vinyl/pg_a-m.htm BBC Transcription Disc LP - UK - Original Live 1974 - Only 50 Made/No Ps - EX - ?100 the problem? It was with the Groundhogs... is the string "Only 50 Made/No Ps" also accurate on the Hawkwind Transcription Disc? btw, along with a few Hawkwind items for sale on this page, there was also this little goodie: Nuclear Waste - "Nuclear Waste" CD - EEC - Eec Voiceprint Limited Edition 5 Track Mini Album In Tin With Booklet - Features Nik Turner, Mike Howlett, Steve Hillage & Sting EX/EX - ?11.99 \\joe From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon May 20 16:27:02 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:27:02 -0400 Subject: MST3K Message-ID: Got around to watching my tape of the final installment of "Mystery Science Theater 3000". Kind of a sad ending, (though they left open the possiblity of a "rebirth"). Anyways, during the opening sequence, Tom Servo mentioned that the music during the opening credits of the movie ("Laserblast", an awful film that somehow got 2? stars from Leonard Maltin, a running gag during the movie) sounded like Hawkwind, but the other two characters disagreed with Tom. One of the later running gags was how the film would apparently waste time following one character around in his van playing 70's music, so they kept tossing 70's music references whenever he appeared, and eventually there was a "Don't Fear the Reaper" jab tossed in.... 'F. Murray Abraham in "Amadeus"? No better than Roddy McDowell in "Laserblast"...according to Leonard Maltin...' +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Mon May 20 16:33:56 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:33:56 -0400 Subject: HW: news bits... In-Reply-To: <9605181512.A16554@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at May 18, 96 03:12:20 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks.... First off, has it been really quiet the last day or so, or am I the only one not receiving any mail today?? OK, now for the items of interest (to some maybe)... I was perusing the RPM website listings the other day, and came across some interesting items that I thought I'd share.... Listed as upcoming in May was 'Love in Space' as UK import, so I guess it's out now...any reviews?? 'Lord of Light' didn't make it on there, did it?? Too bad. Also, just released...Roger Taylor's first two solo albums (Fun in Space, and Strange Frontier) on CD (UK only I guess); this time an official release (it's about time!!!). Also...'Moontan' by Dead Flowers....Since they're apparently no more, I guess this is one of their earlier albums now back in print.....anybody have this one? On the strength of Altered State Circus alone, I'd guess it's a definite 'to get' album. A new live CD by Sundial called 'Live Drug' or something...is this a double or a long (60 min. +) single disc?? I think it was UK only also (at least for now). Something entitled Spaceship by Guru Guru was also just released. As I'm only just now getting into this band, I don't really know if this is an old one reissued or not....in fact, I don't even know whether they still exist or not. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Other interesting info.... I've just ordered a grand total of eight Amon Duul II CD's that have just been released on 'Captain Trip' records in Japan....apparently released to coincide with their recent minitour there. Anyway, some of these replace the earlier Mantra releases, while some are entirely new reissues...such as Live in London and Lemmingmania (while being a compilation, actually has four tracks on it not available elsewhere). And two of them have never been released before in any form...one being 'Kobe' (six unreleased tracks) and one being 'Eternal Flashback' (which I guess is a single hour-long? improv piece, also never released). So I'll probably be looking to trade off my old Mantra copies of 'Tanz der Lemminge' and 'Wolf City' soon....if anyone's interested. Not included in this list of reissues was Made in Germany, and I *think* (don't quote me on this) that they may be working on restoring it to it's original 2LP length....hope so.... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Finally, the schedule for ProgScape '96 is set now..... The lineup will be: Saturday June 29, 1996 1) Fourth Estate (US) - instrumental fusion/rock 2) Porcupine Tree (UK) - space prog is what they call them 3) Miriodor (Canada) - quirky, instrumental (?) 4) Iluvatar (US) - Marillion clone Sunday June 30, 1996 1) Boud Deun (US) - Driving, complex prog/fusion 2) Roine Stolt (Sweden) - 70's type prog (Yes-like) 3) Braindance (US) - Neo-Gothic Prog Metal (opened for HW @ Limelight) 4) Glass Hammer (US) - Majestic keyboard-driven prog Doors open at 1 pm each day....dunno how long this is supposed to last....sorry I guess that with this early of a start, each band *should* be playing a full set-worth of material. The venue is the Stephans Hall Theatre at Towson State University in the Baltimore, MD metro area. Tix are $25 for one day, or $40 for the weekend. For more info, call Chris Lamka at 'Of Sound Mind' at (410) 529-7082. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ They also have a special room rate deal with the local Ramada it seems. It says here $45/night (up to 4 persons). If this truly means $11.25 per person, this is something I might very well be interested in persuing (for Sat. night only) if there are 2 or 3 more people out there interested in travelling to Baltimore for this opportunity to see PTree live. I'm planning on going to Saturday show only and will be travelling alone from Columbus, OH - possibly via State College, PA (my folks place) - to Baltimore Sat. AM - and back home Sunday. Lemme know if anyone's interested. That's all....Keith H. (FAA) (khenders at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon May 20 17:08:43 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:08:43 -0400 Subject: HW: news bits... Message-ID: Keith said >Listed as upcoming in May was 'Love in Space' as UK import, so I guess it's >out >now...any reviews?? 'Lord of Light' didn't make it on there, did it?? Too >bad. No, it didn't... list is: disc 1 abducted/death trap/wastelands/are you losing your mind?/photo encounter/blue skin/sputnik stan/robot/alien i am disc 2 xenomorph/vega/love in space/kapal/elfin/silver machine/welcome/assassins Well, considering I thought the show I saw on the Alien tour was only kinda average, I have to say I'm very pleased with this! I'd say all the tracks off of _Alien 4_ are actually better than the album versions - it's a fairly awesome "Alien I Am", and an excellent "Stan". Ron still gets on my tits a bit, but he's actually more restrained than in the studio, and anyway I've resolved not to winge about him any more. :) Oh yeah - I liked the picture of the bike illustrating "Silver Machine"... - Andy From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon May 20 17:19:59 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:19:59 -0400 Subject: BBC Transcription Disc for sale! In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960520223329.144f73ac@eka.ericsson.se> from "Johan Edlundh" at May 20, 96 10:29:37 pm Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > > while browsing the net I found the information below on this url: > http://www.poptel.org.uk/polkaville/vinyl/pg_a-m.htm > > BBC Transcription Disc > LP - UK - Original Live 1974 - Only 50 Made/No Ps - EX - > > the problem? > It was with the Groundhogs... > > is the string "Only 50 Made/No Ps" also accurate on the Hawkwind > Transcription Disc? Hmmm. I rather thought there were only 2 of them made, and that half of those were owned by list members. ;-) Not that he ever invites ME over to listen to it... In fact the only rarer album I know of was that absurd art-pretentious wank that Jean-Michelle Jarre pulled (snert) on everyone with _Music for the Supermarkets_. Pressed one copy and then destroyed the master, because it was a work of "art" and should be "unique". I think that was pretty much the end of my Jean-Michelle Jarre fandom... Steve swann at panix.com From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Mon May 20 18:01:21 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 23:01:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: Trainspotting Message-ID: >Boy, I get bored easily when the BOC-L tide ebbs :-). Any way, >to mention something off topic, I just started reading a book >called Trainspotting by Irvin Welsh (sp?). I highly recommend it >to members of the list (but not to the sqeamish). It describes >the lives of some folk living in Edinburgh including some junkies >and psychos. My favorite part so far is where the hero (undergoing >heroin withdrawal) has to retrieve his opium suppositories from >a full toilet in the back of a bookies > >Martyn > >Ob tenuous boc-l connection: I wander if any of our Edinburgh >list members know any of the characters in the book :-) > > Well I have found myself near to a few Begbie's! I live in Edinburgh, and it's gotta be said the book is pretty accurate. So much of it made me laugh just 'cos I'd been in those situations (though the one you mention is *not* one of them!!). There's been the usual complaints up here from people who are annoyed that the book's too close to home. "Damaging the image of our fair city" and all that rubbish. As far as I'm concerned, it's merely doing a good job of reflecting reality...and is great read too! Ken what ah fuckin mean, likesay? Dave From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon May 20 18:36:19 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:36:19 -0400 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-18 17:01:47 EDT, you write: >just wanna know which one you're going to put aside of the following 101 >CD's? Bring me the Head of Yuri of course. regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon May 20 18:38:11 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:38:11 -0400 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-18 22:44:16 EDT, you write: > It's a great machine, and you >can link up to 3 of them together in sequence! Great Idea if you have a year free:-) regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon May 20 18:57:51 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:57:51 -0400 Subject: Other: Big Buck CD Players Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-19 08:23:37 EDT, you write: >Plane tickets to Amsterdam? When will you arrive there? We should arrange a >place to meet - have some beers and enjoy some local herbs... > > Plane tickets to London. I will arrive in London on the morning of June 21. My wife and I will attend the Brentwood and Guildford shows and possibly Ipswich. We will travel to Amsterdam on the 25th and arrive there that evening. I will attend the Paridiso show and possibly Tilberg and Arnham. We will travel back to London on the 28th and will hangout there on the 29th returning home on the 30th. We will DEFINETLY get together for a party before and after any of these shows. regards, Bill (very excited) Stewart From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon May 20 19:37:27 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:37:27 -0600 Subject: BOC: anybody In-Reply-To: <960517173643_303337815@emout15.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Yes!!! We are going to arrive in SF this Fri night, spend Sat with everyone at the BBQ, and then stay in the area for 3 more days. Never been to the bay area, so we're making a whole trip out of it.] Thanks. See you there. God bless... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Mon May 20 22:56:57 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:56:57 -0500 Subject: MST3K In-Reply-To: <199605202027.QAA09879@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at May 20, 96 04:27:02 pm Message-ID: > One of the later running gags was how the film would apparently > waste time following one character around in his van playing 70's > music, so they kept tossing 70's music references whenever he > appeared, and eventually there was a "Don't Fear the Reaper"=20 > jab tossed in.... Yes, and the very next day, Homer Simpson, while pondering whether or not to take a cannon ball shot to the gut at "Hullabalooza", said to himself "Okay Homer, Don't Fear the Reaper".... -bryan From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue May 21 00:42:25 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 06:42:25 +0200 Subject: BBC Transcription Disc for sale! Message-ID: >> BBC Transcription Disc >> LP - UK - Original Live 1974 - Only 50 Made/No Ps - EX - >> >> the problem? >> It was with the Groundhogs... >> >> is the string "Only 50 Made/No Ps" also accurate on the Hawkwind >> Transcription Disc? > >Hmmm. I rather thought there were only 2 of them made, and that >half of those were owned by list members. ;-) I'm pretty sure Mike Colemann of Delta Wave also got a copy - and what about Brian Tawn who's supposed to have *everything*? >Steve >swann at panix.com \\joe From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue May 21 01:54:49 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 00:54:49 -0500 Subject: HW: LIS tracklist (was: news bits...) In-Reply-To: <960520170839_200457700@emout19.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 May 1996, Andy Gilham wrote (with numbers and asterisks added by me): > disc 1: disc 2: > *1) abducted *1) xenomorph > 2) death trap *2) vega > *3) wastelands *3) love in space > *4) are you losing your mind? *4) kapal > *5) photo encounter 5) elfin > *6) blue skin 6) silver machine > *7) sputnik stan 7) welcome > 8) robot 8) assassins > *9) alien i am QUESTION (since I still don't want to shell out for the import and I therefore cannot find out for myself): How many and which tracks from Alien did they *not* play? Out of 17 tracks total, only 6 tracks (that's 35.3%) on Love In Space are *not* from Alien (the asterisks indicate Alien tracks, you figure). Does that not annoy the heck out of most of you? And the choices for those songs - the original choices for what they decided to play live in the first place, I guess - aren't that good either. OK, "Death Trap" and "Robot" are good choices, and I'm guessing "Elfin" is from Alan's forthcoming album. But we already have, um, how many live versions of "Silver Machine" available? 10 at least, including Nik's versions. And "Welcome"? Almost as many, I'm guessing. I don't have Godwin's song list with me, so I can't tell you exactly. From what I hear, neither can he. :) The "Assassins" I can deal with, I guess, since we only have around 5 or 6 versions of that floating around so far. At any rate, it seems I'll be buying Love In Space before I buy Alien; in fact, I may not buy Alien at all if there are only a couple of tracks not on LIS. Damon Capehart | "We ought to abolish the semicolon; nobody uses aka Le Monsieur | them anymore anyway." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue May 21 05:13:04 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 05:13:04 -0400 Subject: HW: LIS tracklist (was: news bits...) Message-ID: Damon said >At any rate, it seems I'll be buying Love In Space before I buy Alien; in >fact, I may not buy Alien at all if there are only a couple of tracks not >on LIS. IMO, FWIW, if you only buy one, then you should buy _LiS_. PS - you forgot to asterisk "Death Trap" :) - Andy From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue May 21 09:49:19 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:49:19 BST Subject: HW: LIS tracklist (was: news bits...) In-Reply-To: Le Monsieur Damon's message of Tue, 21 May 1996 00:54:49 -0500 Message-ID: > On Mon, 20 May 1996, Andy Gilham wrote (with numbers and asterisks added > by me): > > disc 1: disc 2: > > *1) abducted *1) xenomorph > > 2) death trap *2) vega > > *3) wastelands *3) love in space > > *4) are you losing your mind? *4) kapal > > *5) photo encounter 5) elfin > > *6) blue skin 6) silver machine > > *7) sputnik stan 7) welcome > > 8) robot 8) assassins > > *9) alien i am Photo Encounter and Love In Space are not on Alien 4. Death Trap is. Also, I expect that Assassins includes Space Is Their (Palestine). > How many and which tracks from Alien did they *not* play? Reject Your Human Touch, Vega, Journey, Beam Me Up, Festivals. > Out of 17 tracks total, only 6 tracks (that's 35.3%) on Love In Space are > *not* from Alien (the asterisks indicate Alien tracks, you figure). Does > that not annoy the heck out of most of you? In one sense, yes, but in another no. Live albums are supposed to document the tour, and the tour is supposed to feature the new album. Do you object to the Space Ritual because only a few songs were not on In Search Of Space and Doremi? > At any rate, it seems I'll be buying Love In Space before I buy Alien; in > fact, I may not buy Alien at all. This seems reasonable - I don't have a copy of Doremi because all the good tracks are on Space Ritual. There is no compulsion to buy all their albums, you know! Dave. From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Tue May 21 10:41:22 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:41:22 BST Subject: HW: live & studio Message-ID: Dave writes : This seems reasonable - I don't have a copy of Doremi because all the good tracks are on Space Ritual. There is no compulsion to buy all their albums, you know! For a very long time I ignored Doremi for the same reason. I only bought it as part of the remasters series. However, the version of 'Time we left' is very different from SR. As someone who couldn't make the Alien tour :-( , just how different are the live versions of songs from the studio ? Other examples of wildly different studio/live songs that spring to mind are Zeps 'Dazed & Confused' & Purples 'Space Truckin', in both cases I prefer the live versions, and not just because they're 6 times longer :-) Neil. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 21 06:57:58 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:57:58 +0100 Subject: HW: live & studio In-Reply-To: <9605210941.AA20129@icarus.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> from "shillada@GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM" at May 21, 96 10:41:22 am Message-ID: >> This seems reasonable - I don't have a copy of Doremi because all the >> good tracks are on Space Ritual. There is no compulsion to buy all >> their albums, you know! > > For a very long time I ignored Doremi for the same reason. I only bought it as part of the remasters series. > However, the version of 'Time we left' is very different from SR. Not only different but far superior! Doremi is worth getting the remaster of for Time We Left alone! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 21 07:01:05 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:01:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Sundial (was Re: HW: news bits...) In-Reply-To: <199605202033.QAA04631@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at May 20, 96 04:33:56 pm Message-ID: > A new live CD by Sundial called 'Live Drug' or something...is this a double or > a long (60 min. +) single disc?? I think it was UK only also (at least for > now). Yup. It's a single CD, as a three-piece. Can't remember the length, though I played it about 3 times over yesterday afternoon. Quite good, and very worthy of Sundial :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From Niko.Makila at CSC.FI Tue May 21 07:02:11 1996 From: Niko.Makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:02:11 +0300 Subject: HW: live & studio In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 21 May 1996 11:57:58 BST." Message-ID: Carl's message dated: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:57:58 BST > > Not only different but far superior! Doremi is worth getting the > remaster of for Time We Left alone! Sure, but one should get Doremi even if the only cut on that album was "Space is Deep"! //niko From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 21 08:24:07 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:24:07 +0100 Subject: HW: LIS tracklist (was: news bits...) In-Reply-To: <2164.9605210849@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 May 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > This seems reasonable - I don't have a copy of Doremi because all the > good tracks are on Space Ritual. There is no compulsion to buy all > their albums, you know! `Surely some mistake.. ed.' Jazza From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 21 08:28:51 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:28:51 +0100 Subject: HW: live & studio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 21 May 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > For a very long time I ignored Doremi for the same reason. I only bought it as part of the remasters series. > > However, the version of 'Time we left' is very different from SR. > > Not only different but far superior! Doremi is worth getting the > remaster of for Time We Left alone! Concur! Agree! Indicate similar opinion! Not only is the Doremi version longer, but it contains a `break-it-down-and-then-build-it-up- again' bit that knocks the one in SR's `Orgone Accumulator' into the proverbial cocked hat! Although I wouldn't want to say which _song_ is the better... Jazza /_________________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 460728) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ========================================================================| | "`It's a Venusian space bassist,' said Turner the bird being." | | (Hawkwind, sleeve notes to 'Doremi Fasol Latido') | \_________________________________________________________________________/ From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue May 21 09:41:34 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:41:34 -0400 Subject: HW: Brixton 21st June Message-ID: I went to the Brixton Academy at lunchtime (to get tickets for Archaos) and noticed tickets on sale for Ozrics/Hawkwind on June 21st - I don't recall seeing this mentioned before? - Andy From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue May 21 11:32:56 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:32:56 -0400 Subject: BBC Transcription Disc for sale! In-Reply-To: <199605202120.RAA05811@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at May 20, 96 05:19:59 pm Message-ID: > > Johan Edlundh writes: > > > > while browsing the net I found the information below on this url: > > http://www.poptel.org.uk/polkaville/vinyl/pg_a-m.htm > > > > BBC Transcription Disc > > LP - UK - Original Live 1974 - Only 50 Made/No Ps - EX - > > > > the problem? > > It was with the Groundhogs... > > > > is the string "Only 50 Made/No Ps" also accurate on the Hawkwind > > Transcription Disc? > > Hmmm. I rather thought there were only 2 of them made, and that > half of those were owned by list members. ;-) > > Not that he ever invites ME over to listen to it... > > In fact the only rarer album I know of was that absurd art-pretentious > wank that Jean-Michelle Jarre pulled (snert) on everyone with _Music > for the Supermarkets_. Pressed one copy and then destroyed the master, > because it was a work of "art" and should be "unique". > Well, in old Jean-M's defense, this was done as a snub towards the music industry and the ridiculous practices they employ. It _was_ played on the radio in Europe (Luxembourg, I think) with the announcment "Pirate it!". > I think that was pretty much the end of my Jean-Michelle Jarre > fandom... > > Steve > swann at panix.com > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 21 04:28:54 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:28:54 +0100 Subject: OFF: Trainspotting In-Reply-To: <9605201958.AA03256@etlxd23zp> Message-ID: In message <9605201958.AA03256 at etlxd23zp>, Rob Stuckey writes > Perhaps you didn't know that this book has just been turned into > a film of the same name.....and rather good it is too, very funny > and quite bizarre in places. > > bye - Rob With a pretty good soundtrack CD inc/ Iggy Pop, Brian Eno, Primal Scream, Sleeper, New Order, Blur, Lou Reed, Pulp, Bedrock feat. KYO, Elastica, Leftfield and Damon Albarn (solo) -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 21 13:07:23 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 18:07:23 +0100 Subject: HW: LIS tracklist (was: news bits...) In-Reply-To: <2164.9605210849@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <2164.9605210849 at abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >This seems reasonable - I don't have a copy of Doremi because all the >good tracks are on Space Ritual. There is no compulsion to buy all >their albums, you know! > >Dave. Have you heard the remastered Doremi?! -- Jon Browne From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue May 21 14:57:47 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:57:47 -0500 Subject: HW: live & studio Message-ID: On 21-MAY-1996 05:51:14.9 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Dave writes : >This seems reasonable - I don't have a copy of Doremi because all the >good tracks are on Space Ritual. There is no compulsion to buy all >their albums, you know! >For a very long time I ignored Doremi for the same reason. I only >bought it a s part of the remasters series. >However, the version of 'Time we left' is very different from SR. As >someone who couldn't make the Alien tour :-( , just how different are >the live versi ons of songs from the studio ? "Space Is Deep" and "Down Through The Night" are vastly different from the live versions, too. Actually, the two albums are completely seperate entities. Don't see how anyone could live w/out Doremi... Chuck `[1;31;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue May 21 15:13:57 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:13:57 EST Subject: OFF: Dead Flowers and Guru Guru (was Re: HW bits) Message-ID: >Also...'Moontan' by Dead Flowers....Since they're apparently no more, I >guess this is one of their earlier albums now back in print.....anybody >have this one? On the strength of Altered State Circus alone, I'd guess >it's a definite 'to get' album. I'm curious about this one myself. I loved 'ASC', so I picked up the first release from Dead Flowers, called 'Smell the Fragrance'. Unfortunately, it was not of the same caliber as 'ASC'. It was rougher and more rock-oriented (in a garage way), verses the frequent almost-techno grooves found in every song on 'ASC'. 'Altered State Circus' is the third album from Dead Flowers. I for one would like to hear whether 'Moontan' is closer to the first album or the third. Any brief reviews out there? >Something entitled Spaceship by Guru Guru was also just released. As I'm >only just now getting into this band, I don't really know if this is an >old one reissued or not....in fact, I don't even know whether they still >exist or not. I spotted this one also. I thought the Krautrock band Guru Guru broke up years ago. I have heard the names of about three or four GG albums before, but I don't recall ever hearing 'Spaceship' as a title. Names I've heard include 'Kanguru', 'Hinten', and 'Dance of the Flames'. Another tidbit: RPM lists this item as a domestic! Is this the same band? Any other Krautrock fans with further info? >That's all....Keith H. (FAA) >(khenders at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue May 21 16:47:55 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 07:47:55 +1100 Subject: HW: Buying it all (was Re: HW: LIS tracklist (was: news bits...) Message-ID: > This seems reasonable - I don't have a copy of Doremi because all the > good tracks are on Space Ritual. There is no compulsion to buy all > their albums, you know! You are partly correct, the compulsion is actually to buy every variation of each album ........ -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue May 21 13:52:31 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 17:52:31 +0000 Subject: HW: Brixton 21st June Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > > I went to the Brixton Academy at lunchtime (to get tickets for Archaos) and > noticed tickets on sale for Ozrics/Hawkwind on June 21st - I don't recall > seeing this mentioned before? > > - Andyhey! could some one please give us the scoop on this gig? gig date & time,how, when, and where to get tics, any gigs day b4 and after?name and address of venue, and how do you pronounce brixton? rj From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue May 21 17:03:06 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:03:06 +1100 Subject: HW: SR Remaster Message-ID: I have only one word: WOW! Paul (very happy Hawkfan who only paid $A30 for it .. that's 15 pounds guys!) ObDigiPak: Yes, in my eagerness to investigate Miss Stacia, I too tore the cover :( ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Tue May 21 18:14:12 1996 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 18:14:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: Dead Flowers and Guru Guru (was Re: HW bits) Message-ID: > I spotted this one also. I thought the Krautrock band Guru Guru > broke up years ago. I have heard the names of about three or four > GG albums before, but I don't recall ever hearing 'Spaceship' as a > title. Names I've heard include 'Kanguru', 'Hinten', and 'Dance of > the Flames'. Another tidbit: RPM lists this item as a domestic! > Is this the same band? Any other Krautrock fans with further info? The latest catalog from Midnight Records lists "Wah Wah" by Guru Guru as "Euro CD - New Effort", so I assume they've reformed... I have "UFO" and "Hinten", both of which are excellent. Very eclectic, and clearly ahead of their time for the early 70's. Another great band from the same genre (that also reformed recently) is Faust, though I haven't heard their latest effort. Their eponymous first album (the one with the x-ray hand on the cover) is a brilliant, sick piece of work. It is (was?) reissued on CD from Polydor/Japan. Faust did a sparse tour of the U.S. a couple years ago, including an "experimental performance" I drove 900 miles to witness in Devils Furnace, Death Valley. Now that was a trip - a bunch of people perched on rocks and and cliffs banging on pipes, blowing didgeridoos and yodelling while Japanese noise artist Keiji Haino (sp?) coughed up multiple hairballs. Later their guitarist Herve cranked up a generator-powered Marshall and sent spasms of feedback and distortion rippling through the canyons. Very Cool. Cheers - Chris From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue May 21 18:18:38 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 18:18:38 -0400 Subject: Calling RJ Message-ID: Hi Ron, Are you goin? regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue May 21 18:48:18 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 18:48:18 -0400 Subject: HW: Brixton 21st June Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-21 17:54:18 EDT, you write: >- Andyhey! could some one please give us the scoop on this gig? >gig date & time,how, when, and where to get tics, >any gigs day b4 and after?name and address of venue, >and how do you pronounce brixton? >rj HW will be playing around London on 6/22 Brentwood, 6/23 Guildford, 6/24 Ipswich. All are right around London. They will than play in Amsterdam on 6/26, Tilberg 6/27 and Arnham 6/28. I will arrive in London on 6/21 in the AM. I will attend the Brixton show as well as Brentwood and Guildford , possibly Ipswich as well. On the 25th I will travel to Amsterdam and attend the Paridiso show on the 26th. I will also try to attend the Tilberg show on the 27th before returning to London on the 28th, returning home on the 30th. My wife and I are looking foward to meeting some folks on this list and we are *up* for HW parties before or after any of these gigs. We will make solid meeting plans before we leave. regards, Bill Stewart From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue May 21 19:57:26 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 19:57:26 -0400 Subject: HW: Brixton 21st June Message-ID: RJ said >hey! could some one please give us the scoop on this gig? >gig date & time,how, when, and where to get tics, >any gigs day b4 and after?name and address of venue, >and how do you pronounce brixton? >rj Bricks-tun... I daresay I'll go to this 'un, after all I got there and back in a lunch hour today so I've no excuse. :) Box office number is 0171-924 9999, address 211 Stockwell Road, London SW9, but you'll probably be able to get in on the door (you could at the same venue last October or whenever on the Alien tour). Don't know how much (didn't notice, sorry) but I'd guess between 12 and 15 pounds. I don't know but I suspect this could be another all-nighter (so it's dodgy pizza at 3am after the show again folks!). Apart from the other HW gigs, The Band, no less, are at the Forum on the 20th, Randy Brecker (as heard on _Agents of Fortune_!) is at the Jazz Cafe the 22nd, and the Sex Pistols will be crap at Finsbury Park on the 23rd. - Andy From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 22 01:33:39 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 01:33:39 BST Subject: HW: Guildford Message-ID: They've played at the Civic Hall in Guildford before - has anyone in the London NW area got a phone book and could look up the phone number of this place so I can find out if they're doing so this time? thanx jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue May 21 21:48:29 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 21:48:29 -0400 Subject: HW: Guildford Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-21 20:38:29 EDT, you write: >They've played at the Civic Hall in Guildford before - Just got word that Civic Hall it is. The Brentwood show is at the Leisure Center. Also the Arnham gig is iffy. They will also play Antwerp on 6/29, Macadonia, Greece on July 16th, Portugal on July 18th, something something Herzburg July 20th, Ghent Belgium on July22nd, and an outdoor show billed as Summer Daze in Langtree Devon on July 27th--tea at Brocky's house at 4. From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed May 22 13:08:55 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:08:55 EST Subject: HW:Re: HW: Guildford In-Reply-To: <960521214828_201448271@emout14.mail.aol.com>; from "Bill Stewart" at May 22, 96 09:48:29 pm Message-ID: > > In a message dated 96-05-21 20:38:29 EDT, you write: > > >They've played at the Civic Hall in Guildford before - > > Just got word that Civic Hall it is. The Brentwood show is at the Leisure > Center. > Also the Arnham gig is iffy. They will also play Antwerp on 6/29, Macadonia, > Greece on July 16th, Portugal on July 18th, something something Herzburg > July 20th, Ghent Belgium on July22nd, and an outdoor show billed as Summer > Daze in Langtree Devon on July 27th--tea at Brocky's house at 4. > Melbourne ,Australia isn't next on the list is it? he said hopingly (sp) ! regards Marty From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue May 21 18:36:16 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 22:36:16 +0000 Subject: Calling RJ Message-ID: Bill Stewart wrote: > > Hi Ron, > Are you goin? > regards, > Bill Stewarthey bill! i just started thinkin' about it this morning.saw the post about hw gigging w/ ozrics and said ...hmmmm... still have to look in to travel arrangements and papers and all. maybe you could help with info.i have never left the states before. if it happens, it will be karyn and myself,and we only have 6/19 -6/25 i am curious,if you don't mind my asking,what do round trip tiks cost for london? is 3k a bit high or am i? i was planniing to hit the hawkcon, but since that ain't happenin' we would really like to hit these shows! tell beverly hello for us. get back to us if you can, ron and karyn From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue May 21 18:41:00 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 22:41:00 +0000 Subject: apology to list members Message-ID: i am truly sorry about the post from myself to bill s. i replied to it thinking it was a private mailing,and only noticed it came thru the list after the fact. i don't have the ability to cancel sent mail. again apologies,and thanks to all who provided info on brixton gig. red-faced: rj From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed May 22 05:05:18 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:05:18 +0200 Subject: HW: Brixton 21st June Message-ID: Hi Bill >I will also try to attend the Tilberg show on the 27th Hey, I'll also see this gig (Tilburg). Maybe we can meet infront of the hall ? Bernhard From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 22 06:21:49 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:21:49 +0100 Subject: HW/ Pistols In-Reply-To: <960521195724_540060048@emout17.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In message <960521195724_540060048 at emout17.mail.aol.com>, Andy Gilham writes >and the Sex Pistols will be crap at Finsbury Park on the 23rd. > >- Andy Yeah, right. Who'd want to see a band 20 years after their hey-day :-)) Still, I might just pop along, after all they did have the odd good tune, didn't they? By the way, when the Pistols started, Johnny's favorite band was, yup, HAWKWIND. (Something i've enjoyed mentioning on *several* occasions!) -- Jon Browne From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed May 22 08:30:05 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:30:05 -0400 Subject: HW: Brixton Message-ID: The HW/Ozrics gig (Academy, June 21) is indeed an all-nighter. Tickets 15 pounds. - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed May 22 08:30:13 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:30:13 -0400 Subject: OTHER: Patti Smith Message-ID: Just announved - Patti Smith at Shepherds Bush Empire, London, August 7th. Tickets 16.50 pounds, b/o tel 0181-740 7474. Also appearing: Lenny Kaye, Jay Dee Daugherty, Tom Verlaine, Tony Shanahan. This will probably sell out fast! - Andy From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 22 13:42:13 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 13:42:13 BST Subject: BBC Transcription Disc for sale! In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Mon, 20 May 1996 17:19:59 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > Johan Edlundh writes: > > > > while browsing the net I found the information below on this url: > > http://www.poptel.org.uk/polkaville/vinyl/pg_a-m.htm > > > > BBC Transcription Disc > > LP - UK - Original Live 1974 - Only 50 Made/No Ps - EX - > > > > the problem? > > It was with the Groundhogs... > > > > is the string "Only 50 Made/No Ps" also accurate on the Hawkwind > > Transcription Disc? > > Hmmm. I rather thought there were only 2 of them made, and that > half of those were owned by list members. ;-) I'd heard there were 24 of the disc that was bootlegged onto "Space Rock >From London". I have one of those. As far as the BBC disk with two Brian Matthews shows on it, containing the live '72 "Silver Machine" and "Brainstorm", mine is the only copy I've ever heard of. > Not that he ever invites ME over to listen to it... Any time... > Steve FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 22 13:45:02 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 13:45:02 BST Subject: OFF: Trainspotting In-Reply-To: gingoblin@easynet.co.uk's message of Mon, 20 May 1996 23:01:21 +0100 Message-ID: gingoblin at easynet.co.uk writes: > >Boy, I get bored easily when the BOC-L tide ebbs :-). Any way, > >to mention something off topic, I just started reading a book > >called Trainspotting by Irvin Welsh (sp?). I highly recommend it > >to members of the list (but not to the sqeamish). It describes > >the lives of some folk living in Edinburgh including some junkies > >and psychos. My favorite part so far is where the hero (undergoing > >heroin withdrawal) has to retrieve his opium suppositories from > >a full toilet in the back of a bookies I nearly lost my dinner at that point in the film, which is worth seeing if you get the chance. "Maribou Stork Nightmares" is worth a read too, although I don't see how they could film the end of it and still get a cinema release :-) > >Ob tenuous boc-l connection: I wander if any of our Edinburgh > >list members know any of the characters in the book :-) > Well I have found myself near to a few Begbie's! I grew up in a town full of 'em :-( > Dave FoFP From Niko.Makila at CSC.FI Wed May 22 08:52:13 1996 From: Niko.Makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:52:13 +0300 Subject: OFF: Trainspotting In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 22 May 1996 13:45:02 -0000." <9605221345.aa09824@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: FoFP's message dated: Wed, 22 May 1996 13:45:02 -0000 > > "Maribou Stork Nightmares" is worth a read too, although I don't see how > they could film the end of it and still get a cinema release :-) Well, they filmed "Naked Lunch" too, didn't they. //niko From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed May 22 09:44:57 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:44:57 +0100 Subject: OFF: Trainspotting In-Reply-To: <199605221252.PAA04423@voxopm.minedu.fi> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 May 1996, Niko Makila wrote: > > "Maribou Stork Nightmares" is worth a read too, although I don't see how > > they could film the end of it and still get a cinema release :-) > > Well, they filmed "Naked Lunch" too, didn't they. And it seems that David Cronenberg has finally filmed J.G.Ballard's notorious novel "Crash". Dave From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed May 22 10:10:28 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 16:10:28 +0200 Subject: BBC Transcription Disc for sale! Message-ID: >> > is the string "Only 50 Made/No Ps" also accurate on the Hawkwind >> > Transcription Disc? >> >> Hmmm. I rather thought there were only 2 of them made, and that >> half of those were owned by list members. ;-) > >I'd heard there were 24 of the disc that was bootlegged onto "Space Rock >>From London". I have one of those. As far as the BBC disk with two Brian >Matthews shows on it, containing the live '72 "Silver Machine" and >"Brainstorm", mine is the only copy I've ever heard of. what else does the Brian Matthews LP contain? how does the both vinyl covers do look like? the labels? >FoFP \\joe From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed May 22 10:30:32 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 01:30:32 +1100 Subject: HW: Tour Dates Message-ID: Gidday All! I just added a "Tour Info" link to my WWW page, and need to fix any errors in the following (like the ommission of Melbourne, Oz ) The list has been compiled from various posts here over the last fe weeks. Thanks in advance! -------- Unconfirmed Hawkwind 1996 Tour Info Brixton (with Ozric Tentacles), UK June 21 Brentwood Leisure Center, UK June 22 Guildford Civic Hall, UK June 23 Ipswich Corn Exchange, UK June 24 8pm Tickets o11.50 Ph. 01473 215544/281480 Paris, France June 25 (rumour only) Amsterdam Paradiso, Holland June 26 Tilberg, Holland June 27 Arnham, Holland June 28 (iffy) Antwerp, Belgium June 29 Brussels, Belgium June 29 (two Belgium gigs on same day?) Rotterdam, Holland June 30 Macedonia, Greece July 16 ??, Portugal July 18 Herzburg, ?? July 20 Ghent, Belgium July 22 Langtree Devon, UK July 27 "Summer Daze" outdoor show NIK: Festival Date 24-27.05.96 Nik Turner and others Spring Fair at Clwtypatrwn, Llanfair, Lamepeter, Dyfed SA48 8ND Ticket only @above address o35-00 Phone 01239 698313 or 01348 874685 for details. -------- FYI - The Codex, Discography, Boot lists, etc. have all been updated on my pages, and I added the "Trivia" list compiled by Andy G as well. Paul/Soniqu? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 22 16:54:16 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 16:54:16 BST Subject: OFF: Trainspotting [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: Hardman DK's message of Wed, 22 May 1996 14:44:57 +0100 Message-ID: Hardman DK writes: > On Wed, 22 May 1996, Niko Makila wrote: > > > > "Maribou Stork Nightmares" is worth a read too, although I don't see how > > > they could film the end of it and still get a cinema release :-) > > > > Well, they filmed "Naked Lunch" too, didn't they. > > And it seems that David Cronenberg has finally filmed J.G.Ballard's > notorious novel "Crash". Hmmmmm. I'm not sure my stomach is up to Cronenburg and such an, ummmm, meaty subject... > Dave FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 22 17:01:52 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:01:52 BST Subject: BBC Transcription Disc for sale! [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Wed, 22 May 1996 16:10:28 +0200 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > >> > is the string "Only 50 Made/No Ps" also accurate on the Hawkwind > >> > Transcription Disc? > >> > >> Hmmm. I rather thought there were only 2 of them made, and that > >> half of those were owned by list members. ;-) > > > >I'd heard there were 24 of the disc that was bootlegged onto "Space Rock > >From London". I have one of those. As far as the BBC disk with two Brian > >Matthews shows on it, containing the live '72 "Silver Machine" and > >"Brainstorm", mine is the only copy I've ever heard of. > > what else does the Brian Matthews LP contain? I think the other things of interest were Bowie and Pretty Things. Can't remember the tracks. > how does the both vinyl covers do look like? Just plain yellow covers though with the BM one I have the BBC cover note for the district radio station. > the labels? I can't remember but I think they're either plain white or yellow. Of the BBC disks that I know about. A friend of Rainer in Germany has one, Mike Coleman has one, Dave Brock has one, and I have one which used to be Trev Hughes. There oughta be another 20 if the legends are correct but it's unknown how many made it out of the BBC warehouses. At a guess, some technicians at the local stations "rescued" copies knowing that they'd be rarities later rather than returning them. The BBC now claim to have destroyed their 1972 archives although it's not known if this included audio recordings. However it would include the video recording of a Hawkwind concert done for Top of The Pops to show Silver Machine. There are rumours that a fan has a copy of this and was in negotiation with Doug Smith about it. > \\joe FoFP From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Wed May 22 12:08:32 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:08:32 -0400 Subject: HW: Buying it all (was Re: HW: LIS t Message-ID: >You are partly correct, the compulsion is actually to buy every >variation of each album ........ > Speaking of buying it all, could someone forward to me the number of Delta Wave? There's a nice little stack of HW goodies I'm hoping Mike can help me out with... Chris From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Wed May 22 12:17:08 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:17:08 -0400 Subject: HW:Re: HW: Guildford Message-ID: >Melbourne ,Australia isn't next on the list is it? >he said hopingly (sp) ! >regards >Marty Right after a four night run in San Francisco, CA! Chris From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed May 22 12:20:05 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:20:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: Trainspotting [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: <9605221654.aa07255@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 May 1996, M Holmes wrote: > > And it seems that David Cronenberg has finally filmed J.G.Ballard's > > notorious novel "Crash". > > Hmmmmm. I'm not sure my stomach is up to Cronenburg and such an, ummmm, > meaty subject... Well, it seems that you are not alone. Reports of its screening at Cannes included a big audience reaction to some grisly stuff, like pictures of gaping wounds of crash victims flashed on the screen at one point. I don't think they liked it much. :-) Apparently Ballard loves it, though. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _London Stone_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed May 22 12:44:50 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:44:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Tour Dates Revised Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-22 10:28:36 EDT, you write: >Brixton (with Ozric Tentacles), UK June 21 >Brentwood Leisure Center, UK June 22 >Guildford Civic Hall, UK June 23 >Ipswich Corn Exchange, UK June 24 8pm Tickets o11.50 Ph. 01473 215544/281480 > >Paris, France June 25 (rumour only) Paris is out but it looks like another show in France on that day >Amsterdam Paradiso, Holland June 26 >Tilberg, Holland June 27 >Arnham, Holland June 28 (iffy) >Antwerp, Belgium June 29 > >Rotterdam, Holland June 30 iffy > >Macedonia, Greece July 16 >??, Portugal July 18 >Herzburg, ?? July 20 >Ghent, Belgium July 22 >Langtree Devon, UK July 27 "Summer Daze" outdoor show > > From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Wed May 22 13:21:10 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:21:10 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 21 May 1996 to 22 May 1996 In-Reply-To: <199605220904.KAA08563@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote.... >Bricks-tun... I daresay I'll go to this 'un, after all I got there and >back in a lunch hour today so I've no excuse. :) Box office number is >0171-9249999, address 211 Stockwell Road, London SW9, but you'll probably >be able to get in on the door (you could at the same venue last October >I don't know but I suspect this could be another all-nighter (so it's >dodgy pizza at 3am after the show again folks!). Hurrah... but hold on I've only just recovered from the last bout of gastric tentacles! > and the Sex Pistols will be crap at Finsbury Park on the Probably! Apolgies coz I don't know who said... >Greece on July 16th, Portugal on >July 18th, something something Herzburg >July 20th, Ghent Belgium on July22nd, and an outdoor show billed as >Summer Daze in Langtree Devon on July 27th--tea at Brocky's house at 4. How about a convention of Nethawks for the "Summer Daze"? Maxine The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day mxw at dmu.ac.uk Shall fold their tents like the Arabs UKMC#9 And as silently steal away. Honda CB250 RS - For sale H.W. Longfellow Honda VF400 http://severn.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw/Welcome.html From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed May 22 13:22:46 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:22:46 -0500 Subject: HW: US Covers: update Message-ID: Hi all, I will be out of town tomorrow through Tuesday of next week (the 28th), so any Covers requests/inquiries won't be handled for a week at the soonest. I'm pretty sure Dave, Chuck and I have straightened out the problems with tapes 3 and 4, and I should be able to begin making tapes next weekend. Sorry for the delays, but we do want to see things done correctly the first time around :-) Later, Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 22 18:31:20 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:31:20 BST Subject: HW: Tour Dates [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward's message of Thu, 23 May 1996 01:30:32 +1100 Message-ID: Paul G Ward writes: > Gidday All! > > I just added a "Tour Info" link to my WWW page, and need to fix any > errors in the following (like the ommission of Melbourne, Oz ) > > The list has been compiled from various posts here over the last fe > weeks. > > -------- > Unconfirmed Hawkwind 1996 Tour Info > > Langtree Devon, UK July 27 "Summer Daze" outdoor show > hmmmm interesting. Who posted this one and where's Langtree? It's near enough to my birthday to make a special West Country trip out of this if it's going to happen 8-) (suddenly hopeful) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed May 22 13:38:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 13:38:00 EDT Subject: HW: re - US Covers: update Message-ID: >Sorry for the delays, but we do want to see things done correctly the >first time around :-) >Later, >Allan. Why? A limited edition with screw ups might become a collectable. Maybe one tape of Pendragon covers would be the way to go. Rudy From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 22 19:06:53 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:06:53 BST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 21 May 1996 to 22 May 1996 [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Wed, 22 May 1996 18:21:10 +0100 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > >Summer Daze in Langtree Devon on July 27th--tea at Brocky's house at 4. > > How about a convention of Nethawks for the "Summer Daze"? > Count me in. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed May 22 14:17:29 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:17:29 -0400 Subject: HW: Tour Dates [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-22 13:38:42 EDT, you write: >Who posted this one and where's Langtree? It's >near enough to my birthday to make a special West Country trip out of >this if it's going to happen 8-) That would be me! langtree, I believe, is a stone throw from Brocks house. regards, Bill Stewart From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed May 22 14:18:16 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:18:16 -0400 Subject: HW: Tour Dates [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] Message-ID: >hmmmm interesting. Who posted this one and where's Langtree? It's >near enough to my birthday to make a special West Country trip out of >this if it's going to happen 8-) Langrtry is a small Texas border town where the Pecos meets the Rio Grande. It was best known in the old west as the home of Judge Roy Bean, whose word was law. (hey, I can dream that HW will tour the south...) +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 22 15:16:59 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:16:59 +0100 Subject: HW:Re: HW: Guildford In-Reply-To: <9605220208.AA26921@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> from "Martyn Lawrence" at May 22, 96 12:08:55 pm Message-ID: > and an outdoor show billed as Summer > Daze in Langtree Devon on July 27th--tea at Brocky's house at 4. A show in HW home territory would be cool to see! Anyone got further info on this? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 22 15:18:51 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:18:51 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton In-Reply-To: <960522083005_118658333@emout16.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at May 22, 96 08:30:05 am Message-ID: > The HW/Ozrics gig (Academy, June 21) is indeed an all-nighter. Tickets 15 > pounds. This sounds like a must! I thought DS had killed all possibilities of OT/HW shows but I guess he relented. Once my emergency resource fund replacement clears I'm calling Brixton to order my ticket! (And this time I know how to get there ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 22 15:21:30 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:21:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Amsterdam tix? In-Reply-To: <960520185750_539244707@emout17.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at May 20, 96 06:57:51 pm Message-ID: Very Excited Bill writes: > Plane tickets to London. I will arrive in London on the morning of June 21. > My wife and I will attend the Brentwood and Guildford shows and possibly > Ipswich. We will travel to Amsterdam on the 25th and arrive there that > evening. I will attend the Paridiso show and possibly Tilberg and Arnham. We > will travel back to London on the 28th and will hangout there on the 29th > returning home on the 30th. We will DEFINETLY get together for a party before > and after any of these shows. > regards, > Bill (very excited) Stewart Bill! How did you obtain tix for the Paradiso show? I'd like to go along for that, but don't want to start arranging travel without a ticket! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed May 22 15:56:47 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:56:47 -0400 Subject: HW: Amsterdam tix? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-22 15:22:45 EDT, you write: > Bill! How did you obtain tix for the Paradiso show? I'd like >to go along for that, but don't want to start arranging travel without >a ticket! I'm workin on that right now. I know the tickets havent gone on sale yet. Probably will go on sale June 1st. As soon as I get more info i'll let you know. From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed May 22 15:06:20 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:06:20 +0000 Subject: HW: Brixton Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > > The HW/Ozrics gig (Academy, June 21) is indeed an all-nighter. Tickets 15 > pounds. > > - Andyok, who will i meet here? what exactly is an all-nighter? anybody want to e me a quick london survival guide? rj From uriah at BELIAL.STUD.LGU.SPB.SU Thu May 23 01:42:29 1996 From: uriah at BELIAL.STUD.LGU.SPB.SU (uriah) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:42:29 +0400 Subject: HW in Germany Message-ID: Hi folks! Recently there was a posting here saying that Hawkwind will play on a festival in Germany this summer. Can anybody tell me where and when? I also would like to know what kind of festival is it and what other bands will play there. Best regards, Yuri P.S. It seems it's my first chance to hear my favourite group live ;) From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu May 23 10:47:53 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 10:47:53 BST Subject: HW: Brixton In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Wed, 22 May 1996 20:18:51 +0100 Message-ID: > > The HW/Ozrics gig (Academy, June 21) is indeed an all-nighter. Tickets 15 > > pounds. Count me in. > This sounds like a must! I thought DS had killed all possibilities > of OT/HW shows but I guess he relented. My theory (which is mine) is that since it's an all-nighter, the two bands can co-headline. If they toured together, there might have been difficulties deciding who was the headlining band. The Ozrics have a larger following than Hawkwind these days. Dave. From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu May 23 11:04:55 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:04:55 BST Subject: HW: Brixton Message-ID: > > > > The HW/Ozrics gig (Academy, June 21) is indeed an all-nighter. Tickets 15 > > pounds. > > > > - Andyok, who will i meet here? > what exactly is an all-nighter? > anybody want to e me a quick london survival guide? > rj > An all-nighter is a gig that starts, in this case, at 8pm on a Friday evening and finishes at 6am on Saturday. The main bands will be on between 11pm and 2am and the support bands play either side. For the last few HW all-nighters the support bands have been guitar-based leading up to HW, then techno bands play on after HW. As for a London survival guide, start off with a good street map (such as an A-Z) and a map of the underground. There's not a lot else to suggest really. bye - Rob From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 23 07:33:14 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:33:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: <15993.9605230947@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at May 23, 96 10:47:53 am Message-ID: > > This sounds like a must! I thought DS had killed all possibilities > > of OT/HW shows but I guess he relented. > > My theory (which is mine) is that since it's an all-nighter, the two bands > can co-headline. If they toured together, there might have been difficulties > deciding who was the headlining band. The Ozrics have a larger following > than Hawkwind these days. And that last sentance is my theory on why they are together ;) DS says ... hmmm ... Ozrics = exposure = money. And a stunningly reasonable idea, actually! :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "Hefi ek ok aldri sva reitt cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk vapn at manni at eigi hafi http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html vid kommit." Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. -Skarphedin Njalsson ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 23 07:33:53 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:33:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Amsterdam tix? [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: <960522155646_201965941@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: > In a message dated 96-05-22 15:22:45 EDT, you write: > > Bill! How did you obtain tix for the Paradiso show? I'd like > >to go along for that, but don't want to start arranging travel without > >a ticket! > > I'm workin on that right now. I know the tickets havent gone on sale yet. > Probably will go on sale June 1st. As soon as I get more info i'll let you > know. Excellent--thanks! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu May 23 08:03:59 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 23:03:59 +1100 Subject: HW: Remasters Message-ID: Just got the _ISOS_ and _DFL_ remasters, along with the EBS Sampler. Once again ... WoW! (What a Hawkweek so far!) Thanks Tim & Andy!!!!!! Paul/Soniqu? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu May 23 08:34:43 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 23:34:43 +1100 Subject: OFF: darXtar mailing list Message-ID: To those who are interested .... I'm currently testing a Majordomo (no flames please) mailing list for darXtar. Actually, it's working, but I haven't asked the boss if it can stay yet ;^) If you want to join the fray, point your browser at: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/join.html (my first Perl script!) Paul/Soniqu? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 23 13:36:42 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:36:42 BST Subject: HW: Remasters [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?='s message of Thu, 23 May 1996 23:03:59 +1100 Message-ID: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?= writes: > Just got the _ISOS_ and _DFL_ remasters, along with the EBS Sampler. > > Once again ... WoW! (What a Hawkweek so far!) > > Paul/Soniqu=E9 Hi Paul! Maybe I can add to it 8-) Were you the person looking for a vinyl Text of Festival? I might be able to get hold of it for you. Could you let me know? thanx jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu May 23 08:56:43 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 14:56:43 +0200 Subject: HW in Germany Message-ID: Hi Yuri >Recently there was a posting here saying that Hawkwind will play on a festival >in Germany this summer. Can anybody tell me where and when? I also would like to >know what kind of festival is it and what other bands will play there. HAWKWIND wil play on 20.07.1996 on an open air festival at BURG HERZBERG (an old castle on a hill). This venue is not far away from BAD HERSFELD near KASSEL The complete festival goes from 19.07.1996 - 21.07.1996 The ticket costs around 40 DM for all 3 days. You can't buy a ticket only for one day Here is the phonenumber to order tickets: Germany 0661 79478 Hope these informations help you to see HAWKWIND live If you have more quaestions please fel free to ask Bernhard From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 23 15:57:57 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 15:57:57 BST Subject: Updated Discography, Codex etc Message-ID: I've updated the discography, codex, and (shhhhh) lyrics files to include the Love In Space stuff today (23/5/96). Those who need 'em, email me.... Cheers FoFP From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Thu May 23 11:27:20 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 16:27:20 +0100 Subject: HW - allnighter In-Reply-To: <199605230904.KAA15539@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: From: SKARSOL >what exactly is an all-nighter? >anybody want to e me a quick london survival guide? >rj Yes.. basically arrive in daylight, stay in the vicinity of the 'gig' until the following sunrise...take a packed lunch or suffer the Brixton Pizza - and at all costs avoid AndyG's invite to his house coz he plies you with 100% Scottich Malt and then tortures you with Dwight Yoakham CD's - I'm not sure which was resposible for the bad head in the morning? Think I might have to give this a miss this time and save my energy/money for Devon, (you're on Jill!). Maxine From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu May 23 12:03:17 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 18:03:17 +0200 Subject: HW Tribute: Assassins of Silence/Hundred Watt Violence Message-ID: Hello, New to this group, but an avid HW collector nonetheless... Appearantly there's a HW tribute album out on the San Francisco based label Ceres Records. The New Bomb Turks version of "Ejection" is availible on their new comp. called "Pissing out the Poison". Cool. Anyway, if anyody could provide me w/a catalog #, and if its availible on CD?? Also, Monster Magnet covered "Brainstorm" on their album "Superjudge". Monster Magnet rule!!! What other bands have covered HW on records?? anyways, thanks for any info anybody could provide on the tribute album/covers. chrimum (mumford at eunet.no) From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu May 23 12:17:06 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:17:06 -0400 Subject: HW - allnighter Message-ID: Maxine said > at all costs avoid AndyG's invite to his house coz he plies you > with 100% Scottich Malt and then tortures you with Dwight Yoakham CD's - > I'm not sure which was resposible for the bad head in the morning? As I recall, I managed to play about 5 seconds of "Buenas Noches from a Lonely Room" before howls of protest forced me to desist! :) This time round it'd probably be Radio Birdman sessions (ta, mate!) and old MC5 and new Wayne Kramer albums... - Andy ObExpensiveWeek - Hawkwind, Archaos, and play-off final tickets... From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu May 23 12:55:35 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:55:35 -0400 Subject: HW Tribute: Assassins of Silence/Hundred Watt Violence In-Reply-To: <31A48C45.2FE1@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 May 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > New to this group, but an avid HW collector nonetheless... > > Appearantly there's a HW tribute album out on the San Francisco based > label Ceres Records. The New Bomb Turks version of "Ejection" is > availible on their new comp. called "Pissing out the Poison". Cool. > Anyway, if anyody could provide me w/a catalog #, and if its availible > on CD?? Also, Monster Magnet covered "Brainstorm" on their album > "Superjudge". Monster Magnet rule!!! What other bands have covered HW on > records?? > > anyways, > thanks for any info anybody could provide on the tribute album/covers. Funny you should mention HW covers as the list is right now in the process of producing a four tape set of HW covers. If you have access to the WWW, you can view their contents (the cassette inlays to be used) at: http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/paul/boc-l/covers.html Allan T. Grohe (U.S.A.) and Dave Berry (I think he's the one) (Europe) are busy gearing up to run off the tapes even as we speak... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _Roxy & Elsewhere_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From stayer at PI.NET Thu May 23 01:33:25 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 22:33:25 PDT Subject: HW: Amsterdam tix? Message-ID: Desperate Carl writes: >Very Excited Bill writes: >> Plane tickets to London. I will arrive in London on the morning of June 21. >> My wife and I will attend the Brentwood and Guildford shows and possibly >> Ipswich. We will travel to Amsterdam on the 25th and arrive there that >> evening. I will attend the Paridiso show and possibly Tilberg and Arnham. >> will travel back to London on the 28th and will hangout there on the 29th >> returning home on the 30th. We will DEFINETLY get together for a party >> Bill (very excited) Stewart > > Bill! How did you obtain tix for the Paradiso show? I'd like >to go along for that, but don't want to start arranging travel without >a ticket! Even I don't have tickets yet. Will it be sold out fast? If so, I can get tickets early next week. Due to money problems I won't be able to advance tickets for a lot of you, but that depends on the price of course. Bill and Carl, with how many are you planning to come over? Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu May 23 01:24:19 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 22:24:19 PDT Subject: HW: Brixton 21st June Message-ID: Bernhard, >>I will also try to attend the Tilberg show on the 27th >Hey, I'll also see this gig (Tilburg). Maybe we can meet infront of the hall >Bernhard Maybe you missed some of the thread here. Will you also attend the Paradiso gig? Jerry From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 23 19:46:44 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 19:46:44 BST Subject: HW: Brixton In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Wed, 22 May 1996 20:18:51 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > The HW/Ozrics gig (Academy, June 21) is indeed an all-nighter. Tickets 15 > > pounds. > > This sounds like a must! I thought DS had killed all possibilities > of OT/HW shows but I guess he relented. Once my emergency resource > fund replacement clears I'm calling Brixton to order my ticket! > (And this time I know how to get there ;) > well I did hear that the last time Hawkwind played live, the arrangements were made outwith DS so it's always possible that this is extra-curricular as well! shhhh! 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu May 23 15:34:21 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 21:34:21 +0200 Subject: HW Tribute: Assassins of Silence/Hundred Watt Violence Message-ID: >New to this group, but an avid HW collector nonetheless... > >Appearantly there's a HW tribute album out on the San Francisco based >label Ceres Records. The New Bomb Turks version of "Ejection" is >availible on their new comp. called "Pissing out the Poison". Cool. >Anyway, if anyody could provide me w/a catalog #, and if its availible >on CD?? hi, here's first Doug Pearson's own word about this item + snail mail & e-mail adresse - then there's my own "first glimpse at _AoS/HWV_" review... if you decide to write to him, say hello from hawkjoe \\joe ===================================================================== >Ltd edition and vinyl-only deluxe package with foldout poster sleeve >(17"x35") and booklet. 23 bands from US, Sweden and New Zealand. 20 >tracks previous unreleased, and those won't appear on the BOC-l cover >project. > >warning: some of this recordings could be considered "punk" or "lo-fi", >or even (yuck) "alternative" >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Hello, >thank you for your interest in the _Assassins of Silence / >Hundred-Watt Violence_ double LP. Here's some more information. > > Side 1 >Earth Calling / Born To Go - Temple of Bon Matin >Psychedelic Warlords - Monoshock >Robot - F/i >Ejection - New Bomb Turks >Urban Guerilla - Fuzzface > > Side 2 >Hurry On Sundown - the Petals >Quark, Strangeness & Charm - Puff Tube >Hassan i Sahba - Tibetan Bowlers >We Took The Wrong Step Years Ago - Voco Kesh >The Demented Man - Catharsis >The Watcher - ST37 > > Side 3 >Lord Of Light - Green Machine >Magnu (*) - Lithium X-Mas >You Shouldn't Do That (edit) - Liquorball >Death Trap - Slotnick (w/ Bob Lee of Clawhammer) >Flying Doctor - Gorilla >Motorhead (*) - The Humpers > > Side 4 >Orgone Accumulator - Space Dust >Forge of Vulcan (*) - Sabalon Glitz >Time You Left (This World Today) - Brainbombs >Sonic Attack / Master of the Universe - The Mike Gunn >Spirit of the Age - Fly Ashtray >Silver Machine - Cardinal Sin > >total length >115 minutes > >includes 20-page band info booklet & >fold-out poster sleeve (17"x35", b&w graphic on front, text on reverse) > >this is the first edition of 300 numbered copies (additional copies go to >the participating bands, members of Hawkwind, and other promotional >destinations - if you live within listening range of KFJC, WFMU, WCSB, or >John Peel, you can call up & request it in a few weeks ...) > >it *will* be repressed at a more reasonable price, although without the >poster sleeve (and possibly the booklet). Those were quite costly to >manufacture in small quantities. > >$23 postpaid in USA (additional shipping for foreign addresses) >checks/M.O.'s payable to Ceres Records > >Ceres Records >1264 Grove st. >San Francisco, CA 94117 >ceres at sirius.com > >Thank you for your interest. =========================================================== The Hawkwind Tribute vinyl "Assassins of Silence, Hundred Watt Violence" has finally made its way to me. 23 bands doing 25 covers, some good - some not so good - most memorable so far: Tibetan Bowlers doing a "Wizard Blew his Horn" version of "Hassan I Sahba". Spoken, with strange noises bubbling around. Weird, weird... Imagine someone in panic asking out in eternity: "Black September? Black September? Hashish? Hashin..?" Also Gorilla doing a laid back/speed metal version of "Flying Doctor" and F/i's never ending / ever lasting / fuzzy "Robot"... Label: Ceres Records - CERES01 This double vinyl is something I'm going to play often... Cover is a "black space with white flashes & stars in the background, and a big Hawk in front". Space Ritual type of Fold Out cover - lyrics inside. The Assassins Log is also there - one side each to all bands. Good job, Doug! (Good Reason not to appear on a stupid Hawkwind Tribute album: "It took us two and a half years to get our latest album together, so you don't want us involved" ============================================================= From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu May 23 18:41:39 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:41:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Dead Flowers and Guru Guru (was Re: HW bits) Message-ID: On 21-MAY-1996 19:05:00.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >time for the early 70's. Another great band from the same genre >(that also reformed recently) >is Faust, though I haven't heard their latest effort. I bought it, it's called "Rien". Not one of my favorite CDs, but there's a couple decent tracks (my fave being the 15-minute-long ambient track "Listen To The Fish"). All in all, it's a little too industrial for my tastes (lots of random scraping and stuff). Their eponymous >first album (the one with the x-ray hand on the cover) is a brilliant, >sick piece o f >work. It is (was?) reissued on CD from Polydor/Japan. Faust did a >sparse to ur >of the U.S. a couple years ago, including an "experimental >performance" I drove 900 miles to witness in Devils Furnace, Death >Valley. Now that was a trip - a bunch of people perched on rocks and >and cliffs bangi ng >on pipes, >blowing didgeridoos and yodelling while Japanese noise artist Keiji >Haino (sp?) coughed up multiple hairballs. Later their guitarist >Herve cranked up a >generator-powered Marshall and sent spasms of feedback and distortion >ripplin g >through the canyons. Very Cool. >Cheers >- Chris What's the consensus on their earlier stuff? Like how I described Rien or more song-oriented? Chuck `[1;34;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Thu May 23 17:45:09 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 22:45:09 +0100 Subject: HW/ Pistols Message-ID: >In message <960521195724_540060048 at emout17.mail.aol.com>, Andy Gilham > writes >>and the Sex Pistols will be crap at Finsbury Park on the 23rd. >> >>- Andy > >Yeah, right. Who'd want to see a band 20 years after their hey-day :-)) > >Still, I might just pop along, after all they did have the odd good >tune, didn't they? By the way, when the Pistols started, Johnny's >favorite band was, yup, HAWKWIND. (Something i've enjoyed mentioning on >*several* occasions!) >-- >Jon Browne And did you know that Joe Strummer once said that the Clash's version of "Police & Thieves" was meant to sound the way Hawkwind would've done it! Dave From stayer at PI.NET Thu May 23 23:25:09 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 20:25:09 PDT Subject: HW: Amsterdam tix? Message-ID: >> Bill! How did you obtain tix for the Paradiso show? I'd like >>to go along for that, but don't want to start arranging travel without >>a ticket! > I'm workin on that right now. I know the tickets havent gone on sale yet. >Probably will go on sale June 1st. As soon as I get more info i'll let you >know. Paradiso policy is that tickets go on sale one month before the concert. For Hawkwind tickets, that will be May 26. Jerry Good date, my birthday. From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu May 23 18:02:43 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:02:43 +1100 Subject: (Fwd) Entry to Guestbook Message-ID: OK, which of you smart arses did this: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 01:59:26 +1000 Reply-to: pain at your.butt (Doug Smith) From: pain at your.butt (Doug Smith) Subject: Entry to Guestbook You have a new entry in your guestbook: ------------------------------------------------------ My Boys Hawkwind don't share no page with nobody! See if you ever get a tour down under. Don't you guys be trading any of them bootlegs either. Doug Smith UK - ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri May 24 09:46:33 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:46:33 BST Subject: off: Wayne Kramer (was Re: HW - allnighter) Message-ID: > > This time round it'd probably be Radio Birdman sessions (ta, mate!) and old > MC5 and new Wayne Kramer albums... > > - Andy > Oh dear!! I saw Wayne Kramer at a festival in France last year and I was very disapointed. Low on psychedelia and high in dull guitar solos. Even "kick out the jams" sounded lacklustre. bye - Rob From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri May 24 09:47:04 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:47:04 BST Subject: HW: Brixton 21st June In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Tue, 21 May 1996 19:57:26 -0400 Message-ID: And of course it's the summer solstice... (I've only just realised. Am I slow, or what?) Dave. From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri May 24 10:19:06 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 10:19:06 U Subject: HW: Brixton 21st June Message-ID: >and how do you pronounce brixton? Erm, Brixton. ;-) Cheers, Rich. \ || / = PING = / || \ From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri May 24 11:42:57 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 11:42:57 BST Subject: hawkwidn tour Message-ID: So if I understand this correctly, they'll play Germany on the 20th then Brixton on the 21st followed by 4 daze of brit gigs, then back to the continent? The 20th in Germany sounds unlikely... FoFP From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri May 24 11:56:30 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 11:56:30 BST Subject: hawkwidn tour Message-ID: > > So if I understand this correctly, they'll play Germany on the 20th then > Brixton on the 21st followed by 4 daze of brit gigs, then back to the > continent? > > The 20th in Germany sounds unlikely... > > FoFP > I think Bernhard said the 20th of July didn't he? bye - Rob From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Fri May 24 07:49:43 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:49:43 +0100 Subject: HW Tour dates Message-ID: These are the dates published in this weeks musick papers (there's an ad. for "Love In Space"): June 21st Brixton Academy w/Ozric Tentacles, Minty Dub, Warrior-Tribal, Drift-Loop, Guru and more June 22nd Brentwood, Centre w/ Capt.Rizz June 23rd Guildford, Civic Hall w/ Capt.Rizz June 24th Ipswich, Corn Exchange w/Capt.Rizz June 25th Lille, L'Aeronef w/Astralasia June 26th Amsterdam, Paradiso w/Astralasia June 27th Tilburg, Noorderligt w/Astralasia June 29th Antwerp, Rivierenhof w/Zion Train From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 24 07:56:56 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 07:56:56 -0400 Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY Albert! Message-ID: Hey - it's the 24th of May, so gather up your reigns and let's all wish Albert Bouchard a very happy birthday!! John From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri May 24 08:05:25 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:05:25 +0200 Subject: HW: Europe tour Message-ID: Jerry >Maybe you missed some of the thread here. Will you also attend the >Paradiso gig? No. I'll go only to the TILBURG and UTRECHT/ARNHEIM gig. And of course to the festival on 20.07.1996 here in Germany Bernhard From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 24 08:05:44 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 08:05:44 -0400 Subject: BOC: GOLDMINE Message-ID: I just got my copy of the June 7, 1996 issue of GOLDMINE - it probably isn't going to hit the stands for a few days, but when it does - EVERY BOC FAN SHOULD BUY IT!!! There is a fantastic article (something like 20 or so pages) on BOC (they are the cover story) written by Buck's cousin with assistance from Bolle. If any of you find the FAQ good reading, you'll definitely enjoy this many times more - in fact, this article should probably BE the FAQ. The amount of history in this article is incredible - it took several pages before I even got to the point where Les Braunstein joined the Soft White Underbelly! There's also an article on the Brain Surgeons as part of the whole package (along with several pictures of BOC, Sandy Pearlman, and even a shot of Bolle with Eric Bloom and Ozzy Osbourne from 1975). The article includes a comprehensive discography as well. And I was extremely touched to see *my name* and mention of the BOC FAQ in the article! Unbelievable! I've spent well over an hour reading this and I'm probably only half done with it, so I can't tell you everything that's in there -- but so far, I'm VERY impressed. I will be scarfing up as many extra copies off the local newstands as I can find to try and make some available to folks here who can't find the issue. Again, this issue probably hits the newstands in about a week -- don't miss it!!!! John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 24 08:11:04 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 13:11:04 +0100 Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY Albert! In-Reply-To: <199605241156.HAA11915@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at May 24, 96 07:56:56 am Message-ID: > Hey - it's the 24th of May, so gather up your reigns and let's all wish > Albert Bouchard a very happy birthday!! We wish you a happy birthday We wish you a happy birthday We wish you a happy birthday And many more years! :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "Hefi ek ok aldri sva reitt cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk vapn at manni at eigi hafi http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html vid kommit." Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. -Skarphedin Njalsson ************************************************************************* From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri May 24 08:10:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 08:10:00 EDT Subject: BRAIN: Happy B Day ALBERT Message-ID: Congrats on completing another spin about the sun, may you log many more. How come tBS perform on Deb's birthday and not yours? Can't wait until 6/22! Rudy From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri May 24 08:43:12 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:43:12 +0200 Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY Albert! Message-ID: Merry Christmas Al ! Uuuhh... Sorry, I meant Happy Birthday ! *grin* Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm Icarus - A la croisee des mondes (site SF / science-fiction site) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/sf/homepage.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 24 08:55:37 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 13:55:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton In-Reply-To: <9605231946.aa18096@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Well, I've just looked in my little handbook of punishably stupid things to do, and swipe me if I don't see before me, "Missing Hawkwind and the Ozrics at an all-nighter within twenty miles of your home." Right there between, "Playing chicken with a wrecking ball," and, "Reading a Jeffrey Archer book all the way through." So I guess I'll be there... Jazza /________________________________________________________\ | () | | Jon Jarrett () "What that boy needs is | | Pembroke College () a damn good haircut | | Cambridge CB2 1RF () and a spell in the | | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk () Army" | \___________________________()___________________________/ From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri May 24 09:21:37 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 00:21:37 +1100 Subject: HW - allnighter Message-ID: On 23 May 96 Andy Gilham wrote about Re: HW - allnighter: > Maxine said > > > at all costs avoid AndyG's invite to his house coz he plies you > > with 100% Scottich Malt and then tortures you with Dwight Yoakham CD's - > > I'm not sure which was resposible for the bad head in the morning? > > As I recall, I managed to play about 5 seconds of "Buenas Noches from a > Lonely Room" before howls of protest forced me to desist! :) > > This time round it'd probably be Radio Birdman sessions (ta, mate!) and old > MC5 and new Wayne Kramer albums... Well, if I can't be there, at least I know I helped in some vague way to assist with the pounding heads the following day ....... -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri May 24 09:21:38 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 00:21:38 +1100 Subject: OFF: Shameless Plug Message-ID: Gidday All! I wrote a Perl script to allow folk to subscribe to selected mailing lists via a WWW page .... ain't that neat! So, if anyone asks how to subscribe to BOC-L, just point 'em to the bottom of my HW pages ;^) Paul/Soniqu? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri May 24 14:09:11 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:09:11 U Subject: BOC: GOLDMINE Message-ID: What's Goldmine, and is it available in the UK? Cheers, Rich ** Now I'm going to have to get in the fish tank and sing ** From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 24 10:03:21 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 10:03:21 -0400 Subject: BOC: GOLDMINE Message-ID: Goldmine, is a record/CD collector's magazine, and I believe is available internationally (although it's published in the U.S.). Check your local newstands and record stores to see if any of them carry it. Otherwise, I believe there is a phone number and/or address for GOLDMINE in the BOC FAQ. John From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri May 24 10:28:11 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 10:28:11 -0400 Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY Albert! Message-ID: Have fun and enjoy today, Albert! R. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri May 24 10:32:40 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 10:32:40 -0400 Subject: Attention AOL users!! Message-ID: There's a Brain Surgeons folder on AOL again. It's in the Hard Rock/Metal sections of the Rock/Pop area in the MMC. Don't miss it!! R. Al!! Deb!! Check it out!! From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri May 24 10:33:31 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 10:33:31 -0400 Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY Albert! In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at May 24, 96 01:11:04 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > Hey - it's the 24th of May, so gather up your reigns and let's all wish > > Albert Bouchard a very happy birthday!! > > We wish you a happy birthday > We wish you a happy birthday > We wish you a happy birthday > And many more years! :) And to cop a peculiarly appropriate verse from the "Viking Birthday Song", as I've heard it performed by Columbia U Games Club: (to the tune of "The Volga Boatmen") May the candles on your cake Burn like cities in your wake! Happy birthday! Happy Birthday! Steve swann at panix.com From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri May 24 10:43:00 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:43:00 -0500 Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY Albert! In-Reply-To: John A Swartz "HAPPY BIRTHDAY Albert!" 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H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ |\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\| | | | * H * A * P * P * Y * | | | | * B * I * R * T * H * D * A * Y * | ( ) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ |\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\| | | | * A * L * B * E * R * T * | | | ___(_____________________________________)___ \===========================================/ -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Why Computer Professionals may confuse Halloween and Christmas: Dec 25 = Oct 31 From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri May 24 10:58:03 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 16:58:03 +0200 Subject: hawkwidn tour Message-ID: Hi > I think Bernhard said the 20th of July didn't he? Yes he did Bernhard From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri May 24 16:02:51 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 16:02:51 BST Subject: hawkwidn tour In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Fri, 24 May 1996 16:58:03 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi > > > I think Bernhard said the 20th of July didn't he? > > > Yes he did Woops! Off to beat muself to death with a birch twig I remain, FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 24 11:05:47 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 11:05:47 -0400 Subject: Attention AOL users!! Message-ID: If any interesting Brain Surgeons stuff comes out of there, please let us know -- of course, most of the interesting/noteworthy Brain Surgeons info comes straight from Al and Deb, and since they're here, we on BOC-L will probably get the info here first. However, if someone posts a neat album review, or finds some Brain Surgeons info in a magazine or on the internet somewhere, I'd like to hear about it. John D From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri May 24 11:21:51 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 02:21:51 +1100 Subject: OFF: Guru Guru Message-ID: While surfing, I discovered a list of Guru Guru titles .... someone was after this from memory .... Group Album Title (Country) Label Number Year# Genre GURU GURU UFO (GER)(GER)OHR OMM 56 005 1970# HARD GURU GURU HINTEN (GER)(GER)OHR OMM 56 017 1971# HARD GURU GURU KANGURU (GER)(GER)BRAIN 1007 1972# HARD GURU GURU SAME (GER)(GER)BRAIN 1025 1973# HARD GURU GURU DON'T CALL US, WE CALL YOU (GER)(GER)ATLANTIC ATL 50 022 1973# HARD GURU GURU DANCE OF THE FLAMES (GER)(GER)ATLANTIC ATL 50 044 1974# HARD -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri May 24 11:30:54 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 11:30:54 -0400 Subject: Attention AOL users!! Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-24 11:09:22 EDT, you write: >If any interesting Brain Surgeons stuff comes out of there, please let >us know -- of course, most of the interesting/noteworthy Brain Surgeons >info comes straight from Al and Deb, and since they're here, we on BOC-L >will probably get the info here first. However, if someone posts a neat >album review, or finds some Brain Surgeons info in a magazine or on the >internet somewhere, I'd like to hear about it. > >John >D I'll try and do it, John. There's been nothing worthwhile posted yet, just the usual AOL fawning. ;-) R. From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri May 24 11:44:19 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 16:44:19 +0100 Subject: Rough guide to rock Message-ID: I was slightly disappointed when I saw the 'Rough Guide to Rock' that, while they like the early albums (notably the 1st 2), the rest are dismissed: "With "Spectres" (CBS 1978) the band commenced a slow limp towards self parody. If early albums traded on enigma, then "R.U. Ready to Rock" was as dumb and obvious as its title suggests. Since the high water mark of the first four studio albums, the Blue Oyster Cult continued to peddle the same formula with diminishing returns. The occasional track stands out - such as "Death Valley Nights" from "Spectres", or "Joan Crawford" from "Fire of Unknown Origin" (CBS 1981) - but generally the band have been content to pander to the feeble sci-fi obsessions and demented Biker cliches of their largely conservative fan base". If anyone has any comments on this contemptuous summary (not even a mention of 'Cultosaurus'!), why not e-mail them: rock at roughtravl.co.uk? - Mike (feeble, conservative and demented) Godwin From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Fri May 24 12:02:30 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:02:30 -0700 Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY Albert! In-Reply-To: <199605241156.HAA11915@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: HAPPY HAPPY, ALBERT! On Fri, 24 May 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > Hey - it's the 24th of May, so gather up your reigns and let's all wish > Albert Bouchard a very happy birthday!! > > John > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 24 13:23:01 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 18:23:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Love in Space and all that Message-ID: Well, having at least temporarily reinflated my bank account it was time to cut loose and catch a HawkCD :) So Love in Space. You can tell it's a real HW album from the sloppy packaging errors :) Mispelling Paul Rudolph's name, getting on of the song lengths in the wrong colour, etc. :) The pictures and booklet are very nice, the cover is cool. However the digipak business has gotten completely out of control. There is no way to easily manipulate the CDs in and out of this bastard! I will have no choice but to buy a blank 2CD jewelcase to put the CDs in. I could handle _Alien 4_ but this is too much. However, otherwise, this is, as the immortal Lemmy would say, and first let's pause to add just one more extra comma to this sentance, a very good album! :) The sound is clear, the performances are good. It _does_ rather redo _Alien 4_, so if you have to pick one, as the immortal Andy (I think) said, get this one. At worst you'll miss "Festivals", which is a decent tune, and at best miss "Beam Me Up", which is a god-awful mess :) I've only really skimmed thru it so far, but so far so good. There's more from Data in between Robot and Alien I Am than there is from the sample on _Alien 4_. I assume it's still all from the same episode? Only further complaint is that the guitar and bass should be more crushingly heavy, but that's a complaint I apply generally to a lot of music ("How did you like 'Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy'? 'Not bad, but the guitar and bass should be more crushingly heavy--that Tchaichovsky bloke should have mixed them higher!'). However, this is not a complaint I make about _Space Ritual_ ... ;) Also, since "Assassins" *does* appear to begin with "Space is Their Palestine" I can't figure out why they didn't take the opportunity to garner some royalties out of it. Doesn't seem like them ... ;) Cheers, Carl From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 24 06:04:22 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 11:04:22 +0100 Subject: HW/ Pistols In-Reply-To: <199605232145.WAA18834@easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <199605232145.WAA18834 at easynet.co.uk>, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes >And did you know that Joe Strummer once said that the Clash's version of >"Police & Thieves" was meant to sound the way Hawkwind would've done it! > >Dave Really? Bloody good song and all but doesn't *quite* remind me of the 'awks! Maybe if Simon House was violin-noodling all over it or Nik was honking away or at least a few layers of synth washing it down. Did the Hawks have *any* reggae elements in their sound in '77? They obviously have since but back then? Talking of which I just got ICU - Passout on CD with the extra tracks - brilliant! And I was playing it last Saturday (quite loud) in my comicshop, and as usual a couple of the staff and a couple of the regulars were (gently) taking the piss, as usual, when in walks Rat Scabies from the Damned and says "Hmm, Nik Turner, brilliant!" That shut them up! He then told me how he used to hang out with Calvert etc.. -- Jon Browne From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 24 14:10:21 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:10:21 -0400 Subject: Rough guide to rock Message-ID: Alas, another book written by people who don't have a clue... Just a few thoughts on the review: The reviewers, like many who were exposed to BOC (including some of us die-hard fans) never really made the transition with the band around the mid-70's (even those who didn't first hear the band until after that). What I mean is that BOC, at first beginning with *Agents of Fortune*, made conscious moves to break out of the mold to which they had been cast, and expand their musical horizons -- they were getting tired of the whole heavy-metal/leather/hell imagery. They spent more time on individual contributions, and took less creative input from the likes of Sandy Pearlman. The result? Well, at first their most successful song and album. Then of course, the times they were a- changin' -- disco was hot, punk was making inroads, and heavy metal and alot of hard rock was pretty much dead. Then, of course, the band had pressure from the record company to release more material in the same vein as *Agents*. But I digress -- the point I wanted to make was that BOC took some definitive steps to break out of the style of the first 3 studio albums, yet many didn't appreciate it. Hey, even us die-hards: how many of us cite the first 3 albums among our favorites, and want more material in that vein, a la *Imaginos*? It is interesting, and somewhat contradictory in the review that while the reviewer liked the old-style stuff, and ocassional tracks such as "Death Valley Nights" and "Fire of Unknown Origin", the reviewer then goes on to blast the band for pandering to sci-fi buffs and bikers -- huh? Wasn't a good chunk of that older material along those lines? Also, as far as "peddling the same formula", I think I've already discussed how the band chose NOT to peddle the same formula. Actually, as far as "the same formula" goes, it was probably more in BOC's live shows where the same formula was used - a trend that continues today. Comparing the setlists over the years, one can see how many songs have been staples in the sets for over 20 years -- even in the "old days" (early - mid 70's), the band pretty much stuck to the same songs (a point which Albert has previously discussed here) -- meaning that some of BOC's coolest material was either never done live by the band (like "Death Valley Nights"), done very seldomly (like "I Love the Night" or "Monsters"), or only done for the tour supporting the respective album ("The Great Sun-Jester", "Fire of Unknown Origin", "Divine Wind", "Morning Final", "I am the One"). John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 24 16:34:13 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 21:34:13 +0100 Subject: HW/ Pistols In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at May 24, 96 11:04:22 am Message-ID: > In message <199605232145.WAA18834 at easynet.co.uk>, > gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes > > Talking of which I just got ICU - Passout on CD with the extra tracks - > brilliant! And I was playing it last Saturday (quite loud) in my > comicshop, and as usual a couple of the staff and a couple of the > regulars were (gently) taking the piss, as usual, when in walks Rat > Scabies from the Damned and says "Hmm, Nik Turner, brilliant!" This sounds like _the_ comics shop to visit :) Where are you? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From stayer at PI.NET Fri May 24 21:58:43 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 18:58:43 PDT Subject: HW: Europe tour Message-ID: Bernhard, >>Maybe you missed some of the thread here. Will you also attend the >>Paradiso gig? >No. >I'll go only to the TILBURG and UTRECHT/ARNHEIM gig. Utrecht and Arnhem (note the spelling! :-)) in one day? Jerry BTW, more spelling errors... TilbUrg, not TilbErg ArnhEm, not ArnhAm or ArnhEIm :-))) From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri May 24 20:18:45 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 02:18:45 +0200 Subject: HW summer tour/Sex Pistols Message-ID: Anybody know if HW will be in Scandinavia this summer??? I've only seen them twice (1991, Oslo, Norway and 1995, NY,NY). Damn, I should move to England!! I'm also curious if Monster Magnet will tour this summer.... I've missed out on their shows both here in Norway and NY/NJ (where I studied)..... Anyways, I'm rambling. Interesting that Johnny Rotten's fave band used to be HW. Mike Moorcock wrote the adaptation of the Sex Pistols flick "The Great Rock'n'Roll Swindle" in which HW are mentioned and Lemmy makes an appearance (a line reads something like "don't be fooled by the long hair --- underneath he's a punk"....). I've also obtained a copy of the Jerry Cornelius (who also appears in Moorcock's Sex Pistols adaptation) flick "The Final Programme"... if only HW did the score! It's like a sub-Clockwork Orangesque semi-confusing but fun romp all round... uh, I better stop rambling... peace and all chrimum From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Fri May 24 20:53:19 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 17:53:19 -0700 Subject: Br.Surgns/Trepanation- unavailable? Message-ID: Does anyone have a line on where I can get the Brain Surgeon's most recent album? I ordred it through the local record shop and got a call later saying it was out of print and unavailable. SP "Against that positivism which stops before phenomena, saying 'there are only facts,' I should say: no it is precisely facts that do not exist, only interpretations..." -Nietschze From uriah at BELIAL.STUD.LGU.SPB.SU Sat May 25 01:51:05 1996 From: uriah at BELIAL.STUD.LGU.SPB.SU (Yuri Elik) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 09:51:05 +0400 Subject: HW in Germany Message-ID: Hello Bernhard - and thanks a lot! >HAWKWIND wil play on 20.07.1996 on an open air festival at BURG HERZBERG >(an old castle on a hill). >This venue is not far away from BAD HERSFELD near KASSEL >The complete festival goes from 19.07.1996 - 21.07.1996 It seems I have a chance to see it. Ho! >If you have more quaestions please fel free to ask Do you know - does "open air" mean some camping site where you can set a tent, have a fire etc? Are many people attending this festival? What other bands will be there? Best regards, Yuri From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat May 25 03:42:08 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 09:42:08 +0200 Subject: HW: Europe tour Message-ID: Jerry >Utrecht and Arnhem (note the spelling! :-)) in one day? NO! Either Utrecht or Arnhem on the 28.06.1996 Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat May 25 03:42:11 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 09:42:11 +0200 Subject: HW in Germany Message-ID: Hi Yuri >Do you know - does "open air" mean some camping site where you can set a >tent, have a fire etc? YES !!!!! You can do all these things during this festival very close to the castle >Are many people attending this festival? What other bands >will be there? I'll ask a friend. Keep you informed. cu Bernhard From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat May 25 04:58:32 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 09:58:32 +0100 Subject: Veering OFF from HW/ Pistols In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Carl E. Anderson" writes > This sounds like _the_ comics shop to visit :) Where are you? > >Cheers, >Carl > We're in Richmond, Surrey. It's on the London Underground, last stop on the District Line. There's a scan from the London A-Z at the website, if it helps. We're pretty tucked away. Do say Hi if you're in the area. A gushing, overfriendly welcome is guarenteed anyone mentioning the Hawks! Simon on this list has been in a few times. (Cheers, Si!) It's not looking it's best, though, at the moment coz burglar scum turned us over one night a couple of weeks ago :-(( -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us and our ancient crumbling website (spiffy upgrade coming soon!) http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/index.html From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sat May 25 05:37:12 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 05:37:12 -0400 Subject: HW/ Pistols Message-ID: Jon said >Did the Hawks have *any* reggae elements in their sound in '77? They >obviously have since but back then? Which of those b-sides am I thinking of - "Honky Dorky", or "Dream of Isis" - points in that direction. But that's about it! >Talking of which I just got ICU - Passout on CD with the extra tracks - >brilliant! And I was playing it last Saturday (quite loud) in my >comicshop, and as usual a couple of the staff and a couple of the >regulars were (gently) taking the piss, as usual, when in walks Rat >Scabies from the Damned and says "Hmm, Nik Turner, brilliant!" > >That shut them up! >He then told me how he used to hang out with Calvert etc.. Ah yes, the famous "Hype" revue at the Arts Theatre! BTW, anyone found the new ICU (really just Trev) album yet? - Andy From chriss at MDC.NET Sat May 25 04:50:44 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 09:50:44 +0100 Subject: Br.Surgns/Trepanation- unavailable? Message-ID: >Does anyone have a line on where I can get the Brain Surgeon's most recent >album? I ordred it through the local record shop and got a call later >saying it was out of print and unavailable. You could try going direct to Albert at Cellsum Records, PO Box 1070, Fort George Station, New York, NY 10040-9998 From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Sat May 25 10:16:33 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 10:16:33 -0400 Subject: OK, I'm a little late, but Message-ID: Hey, AOL was down last night, So I had to wait 'til now, but Happy Birthday Al!!!!! Can't wait for the 6/22 MamaKin gig! Rich From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat May 25 10:25:02 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 16:25:02 +0200 Subject: HW in Germany Message-ID: >HAWKWIND wil play on 20.07.1996 on an open air festival at BURG HERZBERG >(an old castle on a hill). > >This venue is not far away from BAD HERSFELD near KASSEL hmm, looking at my German map, there's a "Herzberg" about 30km east-north-east G?ttingen, very close to the old DDR border. (yeah, got an old map :0) Is this the festival area? Kassel is 40km almost opposite direction G?ttingen. There's a "Hersfeld" 50km near south Kassel. I feel a bit stray here, please help me a bit with the exact Festival Longitudes and Latitudes... >The complete festival goes from 19.07.1996 - 21.07.1996 > >The ticket costs around 40 DM for all 3 days. You can't buy a ticket only >for one day The equals of 40DM had been *very* cheap in Sweden as a festival fee. For *one* day. :0( I would also be glad if you could provide some more "other band" information. >Bernhard From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Sat May 25 11:37:30 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 16:37:30 +0100 Subject: HW/ Pistols Message-ID: >Talking of which I just got ICU - Passout on CD with the extra tracks - >brilliant! And I was playing it last Saturday (quite loud) in my >comicshop, and as usual a couple of the staff and a couple of the >regulars were (gently) taking the piss, as usual, when in walks Rat >Scabies from the Damned and says "Hmm, Nik Turner, brilliant!" > >That shut them up! >He then told me how he used to hang out with Calvert etc.. >-- >Jon Browne Yeah, I've had a few tales from Mr.Scabies regarding Bob Calvert. Smashing loads of cups and saucers on the London Underground while Scabies and Captain Sensible realised that Calvert could easily outdo any young punk when it came to the bizarre behaviour stakes! And of course we can't forget that Captain Sensible played guitar on some of ICU's "Maximum Effect", or that Nik Turner guested at a few Damned gigs. Plus I seem to remember that "Shit From Hell" consisted of Sensible alongside some ICU people. Don't think they ever did more than one gig though! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat May 25 13:46:03 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 18:46:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Amsterdam tix? In-Reply-To: from "Jerry" at May 22, 96 10:33:25 pm Message-ID: > Bill and Carl, with how many are you planning to come over? If I come, just myself. I'm still waiting to see if I can get tix, how much they will cost, how much getting to the Netherlands and back will cost, how much crashing out will cost, etc. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Sat May 25 17:17:04 1996 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 14:17:04 -0700 Subject: BOC:Goldmine In-Reply-To: <960514024437_490623084@emout19.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: The Goldmine issue featuring BOC has been available for a few days in stores. This is like winning the lottery for BOC fans. The amount of information about the band is mind boggling. Page after page and photo after photo. If anyone can't find a copy please e-mail--we have several extra copies. Oh yea- the author of the BOC FAQ, John Swartz, has hit the big time with a reference to his FAQ in the article. From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat May 25 13:50:20 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 17:50:20 +0000 Subject: off: 1st trip to uk, advice please? Message-ID: hello. my wife karyn and i will be travelling to london for the four shows there,and we've only booked lodgings for the first night,in the marble arch area,at $120 u.s. this is causing myself some small anxiety,but we thought it possible that we may be able to find a more economically sound lodging once there. is this a bad idea?any suggestions?please help, as the Rx next door is nearly out of rolaids.... rj From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun May 26 10:55:13 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 07:55:13 -0700 Subject: OFF: Guru Guru Message-ID: You wrote: > >While surfing, I discovered a list of Guru Guru titles .... someone >was after this from memory .... > >Group Album Title (Country) Label Number Year# Genre > >GURU GURU UFO 1970 >GURU GURU HINTEN 1971 >GURU GURU KANGURU 1972 >GURU GURU SAME 1973 >GURU GURU DON'T CALL US, WE CALL YOU 1973 >GURU GURU DANCE OF THE FLAMES 1974 Ah..but there's more... Der Electrolurch 1974 (part compilation) Mani und seine Freunde 1975 (technically a solo album, but credited to Guru Guru) Tango Fango 1976 Live 1978 heydu 1979 (as Guru Guru Sunband) Any others? Wylie From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun May 26 12:49:22 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 18:49:22 +0200 Subject: HW in Germany Message-ID: Hello Here are some informations about the festival near BAD HERSFELD, 60 Km south of KASSEL (19.07.1996 - 21.07.1996) HAWKWIND will play on 20.07.1996 at 23:00h AFAIK >I feel a bit stray here, please help me a bit with the exact Festival >Longitudes and Latitudes... OK: You have to go on the A7 Then take the exit NIEDERJOSSA between BAD HERSFELD and ALSFELD Go on the B52. Follow the signs (or ask) to BURG HERZBERG You must park your car on the bottom of the hill and walk the way (1 Km) to the castle where the bands will play >I would also be glad if you could provide some more "other band" information. Here they are: HAWKWIND GENTLE GIANT GURU GURU PRETTY THINGS WILD SILK FRUMPY and 5 or 6 unknown bands Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun May 26 14:20:46 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 19:20:46 +0100 Subject: off: 1st trip to uk, advice please? In-Reply-To: <31A7485C.2255@ix.netcom.com> from "SKARSOL" at May 25, 96 05:50:20 pm Message-ID: > hello. my wife karyn and i will be travelling to london for the four > shows there,and we've only booked lodgings for the first night,in the > marble arch area,at $120 u.s. > this is causing myself some small anxiety,but we thought it possible > that we may be able to find a more economically sound lodging once > there. > is this a bad idea?any suggestions?please help, as the Rx next door > is nearly out of rolaids.... rj The last night my family stayed in England before we left in '84 we stayed in the Salvation Army hotel in London. The Ritz is was not but it was a good deal. 'Fraid I can't remember any more specifics since it _was_ 11 or 12 years ago and I was 13 at the time and not paying much attention to hotel info but that oughta give you something to go on ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sun May 26 17:05:50 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 17:05:50 -0400 Subject: HW in Germany In-Reply-To: <199605261649.SAA22816@exit.ruhr.de> from "Bernhard Pospiech" at May 26, 96 06:49:22 pm Message-ID: Bernhard tells us... > > >I would also be glad if you could provide some more "other band" information > > Here they are: > > HAWKWIND > GENTLE GIANT > GURU GURU Well, I guess this answers the question of whether Guru Guru still exists or not... :) But I guess that this is a 'reunion' line-up...so who's in the group now? Is it still Neumeier, Trepte, and Genrich by any chance (expecting a no answer)?? About the new release 'Spaceship'....I suppose that this could either be an entirely new work by this reformed lineup, but I still wouldn't be surprised if it is a compilation, since 'Spaceship' is the name of a track on 'Hinten'. Sounds like a good show, anyway....and at a castle no less. At least I'll have the ProgScape/Porky Tree show to keep me from getting to jealous. :) Keith H. From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun May 26 17:51:21 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 08:51:21 +1100 Subject: darXtar: Sju Message-ID: Months late, but better than never ..... Band: darXtar Title: Sju Label: SBm SBMCDA 002 1st Release: 1996 (on Black Widow Records BWRCD012-2) Artists: K S?ren Bengtsson - vocals, guitar, keyboards Patric Danielsson - drums, vocals, harp, sax, keyboards S?ren M?rtensson - hammond, keyboards, voice Marcus Pehrsson - bass, vocals, hair I must admit that I awaited the arrival of this mini-LP with anticipation after the pleasurable experience of the previous release, "Daybreak". I had high expectations, and I am glad to report that I was not dissapointed! This new album is a major leap forward for these talented Swedes. Once more they deliver Space Rock with style, but with a more progressive edge. The opening track "Obstakel" astounds the senses with it's short but memorable barrage of inspired Hammond organ .... darXtar manage somehow to display their 70's influences (Emerson Lake and Palmer spring to mind), but without sounding at all retrospective. By the end of this rather short instrumental (just over 2 1/2 minutes), you realize that this rele ase is quite different from anything they have done before. The frenetic guitar comes to a dramatic close and soon gives way to the gentler 'title' track, "7". With sweeping synthesizer sounds in the background, a spoken tale of space (in true darXtar fashion ) is soon replaced with drums, bass and keyboards. I'm happy to report that this track lasts for over sixteen minutes ..... never enough for the many musical variations which darXtar manage to endow on the senses! There is some brilliant musicmanship in this piece, the Commander's vocal style providing the perfect accompaniment to the (now more subdued) hammond, combined with talented drum work, and gentle but powerfull bass and lead guitar, and the ever present but not overpowering electronic noises in the background. This is a track that makes you float off into space as you close your ey es and become immersed in it's ethereal beauty. The extended guitar 'solo' in the center of the track must be heard to be believed. It has been described as Gilmour-esque, with which I must agree .. ... but I feel that perhaps the comparison should not be made - darXtar are not emulating Pink Floyd (or Hawkwind for that matter) but are presenting the Universe in their own unique style. The strains of an (intentionally) poorly played violin to the tune of "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" are rudely interrupted by the first drum beats of the albums rockiest track "This Alien Nation". This makes for a dramatic change from the soulful epic which we just departed - a real toe tapper! I firmly believe that darXtar should release this track as a single as it would surely make the charts w orld wide! It would definitely serve to introduce the more conservative rock 'n roll market to the marvels of darXtar ... but this is no sell out to commerciallism, don't get me wrong! All the sides of darXtar that their fans have come to love are there in abundance .... including the hammond! Space Rock for the masses a reality ??? As the dying strains fade away, an "Eastern Wind" (literally) breezes in. The pace drops once again, but none of the power so far generated is lost. This track has a pulsating energy expertly present ed, and the surprising change in pace half way through to the strains of a somehow guttural harp and cheerful bass line amazes me every time ... until it drops away for the hammond to join in as all the instruments combine in a near explosion of sound. I think that they enjoyed recording this one! As the wind breezes away, strange creatures are heard in a primordial forest, and a repeated single note on the organ is soon joined by some pounding drums, crazed guitar and wailing vocals in the fi nal piece on the album. "It's Enough" is a poor title for the closing track, as it definitely isn't ... I want more! 'Chunky' is as a good a description as any, how do you categorize such a neurotic track? The music fades, and just as you believe it's over a voice warns you 'Watch out ... here they come!', and the final guitar explosion occurs, before fading across the galaxy ......... This is undoubtedly the finest recording in the Progressive Rock category of the year thus far. darXtar have combined their many influences into a package which outshines anything they have released before .... which is no mean feat! If this is any sign of things to come, their forthcoming concept album will be one to grab for sure! __________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________Sonique From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon May 27 05:21:33 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 11:21:33 +0200 Subject: HW in Germany Message-ID: Hello >Well, I guess this answers the question of whether Guru Guru still exists or >not... :) > >But I guess that this is a 'reunion' line-up...so who's in the group now? Is >it still Neumeier, Trepte, and Genrich by any chance (expecting a no >answer)?? Yes it is!!! Neumeier, Trepte and Genrich will play, and 2 more A good friend saw them 2 month ago live. They played for about 2 hours Bernhard From stayer at PI.NET Sun May 26 22:09:12 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 19:09:12 PDT Subject: OFF: Guru Guru Message-ID: >>While surfing, I discovered a list of Guru Guru titles .... someone >>was after this from memory .... [ list ] > Ah..but there's more... [ another list ] >Any others? Well, not an album but a live tape instead. Guru Guru - Stuttgart, Germany, 1971 (41:57) 1 ? (5:10) 2 ? (36:37) Can someone help me with these titles? Jerry From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon May 27 12:36:25 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 12:36:25 BST Subject: off: 1st trip to uk, advice please? In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Sun, 26 May 1996 19:20:46 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > hello. my wife karyn and i will be travelling to london for the four > > shows there,and we've only booked lodgings for the first night,in the > > marble arch area,at $120 u.s. > > this is causing myself some small anxiety,but we thought it possible > > that we may be able to find a more economically sound lodging once > > there. > > is this a bad idea?any suggestions?please help, as the Rx next door > > is nearly out of rolaids.... rj > > The last night my family stayed in England before we left in '84 > we stayed in the Salvation Army hotel in London. The Ritz is was not > but it was a good deal. 'Fraid I can't remember any more specifics > since it _was_ 11 or 12 years ago and I was 13 at the time and not > paying much attention to hotel info but that oughta give you something > to go on ... There are a couple of hotels on Clapham Common which cater for building workers. They're very basic, just a bed and light with a shared bathroom on the landing. That was 25 Pounds (40 Dollars) for bed and breakfast and is the cheapest I suspect you'll get in London. It depends how much comfort you regard as minimum. FoFP From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon May 27 16:28:10 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 16:28:10 BST Subject: off: 1st trip to uk, advice please? In-Reply-To: SKARSOL's message of Sat, 25 May 1996 17:50:20 +0000 Message-ID: SKARSOL writes: > hello. my wife karyn and i will be travelling to london for the four > shows there,and we've only booked lodgings for the first night,in the > marble arch area,at $120 u.s. > this is causing myself some small anxiety,but we thought it possible > that we may be able to find a more economically sound lodging once > there. > is this a bad idea?any suggestions?please help, as the Rx next door > is nearly out of rolaids.... rj All hotels in the central area of London will be very expensive - and Marble Arch is close to centre. You need to be on the outskirts for a more reasonable price (30.00 a night is good around London) but this usually means an expensive taxi ride or 20 mins on the tube. There are some reasonably priced hotels off Kensington Road and Kensington Road South to the west of London and some to the SW (Clapham Common area?) but I strongly recommend you get a "best Guesthouses" guide to London since some of the "Hotels" serve multiple functions of the word hospitality so you need to be a bit careful looking for cheap accommodation. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon May 27 12:23:01 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 12:23:01 -0400 Subject: BOC: GOLDMINE Message-ID: The amount of trivia, you mean. Not all of it is correct, however. From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon May 27 16:56:14 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon) Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 21:56:14 +0100 Subject: off: 1st trip to uk, advice please? In-Reply-To: <9605271628.aa27853@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Also try the Ealing area for reasonably priced guesthouses. I stayed in a number in the area when I was contracting. There'll probably be a few of us heading back that way after the gigs too. Gordon. From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon May 27 14:19:54 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 18:19:54 +0000 Subject: off: 1st trip to uk, advice please? Message-ID: hi- thanks go to andy, carl,jill,fofp,and gordon for their kind responses to our request.our questions have been answered,for the most part,so any further responses,please use private e-mail.thanks to the rest of the list for being tolerant. rj From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon May 27 17:59:23 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 08:59:23 +1100 Subject: HW: Love In Space Message-ID: Well, my copy arrived yesterday ... packed in Hawkfrendz mags (thanks Andy!) and I thought I have to add my 2c worth ..... The packaging loks great, with some neat photo's ... but CD 1 is damnnear impossible to get out without damaging the digiPak. Bring back the Jewel Case PLEASE ... Anyway, I went straight to _Robot_, the track which made me the Hawkfan I am WHAT THE F*$% HAVE THE DONE TO THIS? Aarrgggh ... most of the tracks that HW have reworked of late have been fine, but this? I must say that I am very dissapointed - I didn't expect the same as the PXR5 version, but this is ridiculous. Sob. Most tracks that the boys have reworked of late are fine ... _Quark_ on the EP/Biz Trip is (strangely) great, _Death Trap_ on Alien4 is OK (if perhaps too close to the original), etc. etc. etc .... But I digress. I skipped back to track 1 to give the rest of it a fair hearing, and it's not too bad a recording.The quality is great, the track list acceptable (and _Death Trap_ makes more sense after _Abducted_ than it did tacked on the end of _Alien 4_), and overall it rocks. Maybe it's a result of listening to _Robot_ first, but I have to say that this is not the most powerful live Hawkwind release. I can't put my finger on the reason, but it just lacks something ... The second CD is somehow much better than the first - _Love In Space_ (which I hadn't heard before) is pretty cool, and I love what they did with _Kapal_/_Elfin_. Yet another live recording of _Silver Machine_, but it's at least different with Ron at the helm, and the closing regurgitation of _Assassins_ benefits from the reworking it got. I agree with others that Ron is somehow more tolerable here, but I disagree that you could buy this CD in preference to Alien4 .... I think the studio CD will get a lot more time on the player than this, unfortunately. I'm not saying it's bad ..... on the contrary it is quite a good CD - just doesn't quite meet my expectations is all. To be fair, these comments are only after one listen ... but then every other official live release has left me gasping for breath ..... Now, if they Dave FOUND HIS BLOODY GUITAR and they threw away the keyboards in _Robot_, I might be seeing this in a different light! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon May 27 23:31:18 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 23:31:18 -0400 Subject: OFF: Ziggy=Jimi? Message-ID: Hello all, I have a theory regarding David Bowie's song Ziggy Stardust, and I thought I'd run this theory by the other members in this group to see if any else has ever come to this conclusion, or to see if anyone agrees or disagrees. Possibly someone else might even have some facts that would concur with this theory, or to blow it out of the water. I am convinced that this song was written about Jimi Hendrix. Here are my observations in support of this theory, based on lyrics within the song: 1. He played it left hand 2. Jiving us that we were voodoo - reference to Voodoo Child 3. He came on so loaded man, well hung and snow white tan - Jimi was well known to arrive and play in a wasted state, well hung being a reference to the old sterotype of blacks being more generously endowed, and snow white tan would refer to the fact that Jimi played what was considered to be "white" music while he was of darker or "tanned" skin. 4. God-given ass - David Bowie stated in a Playboy interview in the 70's that he thought blacks had the most perfect ass's of anyone. 5. Then we were Ziggy's band - Jimi became larger than the Experience, and then left them behind for his Band of Gypsies. 6. He could leave and say hi - Jimi often spoke in paradoxes ( at least in the few interview clips I have seen) and would try to confuse people when speaking with double-meaning answers Well there it is. I know it isn't anything conclusive, but it's my theory, and until I get the chance to ask David personally, all I can do is speculate. Besides, since there isn't much else going on except the UK tour, and I am in the US, it is kinda slow on topics to discuss. I guess it's spacerock related, Spiders from Mars, Starman and all :-) So in conclusion, Ziggy = Jimi, Don't ya think, or don't ya? Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Tue May 28 00:07:31 1996 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 00:07:31 -0400 Subject: HW summer tour/Sex Pistols In-Reply-To: <31A651E5.4FB@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at May 25, 96 02:18:45 am Message-ID: > > Anyways, I'm rambling. Interesting that Johnny Rotten's fave band used > to be HW. Mike Moorcock wrote the adaptation of the Sex Pistols flick > "The Great Rock'n'Roll Swindle" in which HW are mentioned and Lemmy > makes an appearance (a line reads something like "don't be fooled by > the long hair --- underneath he's a punk"....). yeah--tho lemmy doesn't appear in the movie (alas, would have loved to see lemmy, veteran of a thousand psychic wars take maclaran out with a sonic blast of ace of spades or something) the moorcock book is only loosely based on the movie--and was written in two weeks cuz moorcock thought that the pistols had introduced at least a few people to some serious thoughts on anarchism (nester makhno makes an appearance in the book"... the original edition was printed as a pulp newspaper tabloid! > I've also obtained a copy of the Jerry Cornelius (who also appears in > Moorcock's Sex Pistols adaptation) flick "The Final Programme"... if > only HW did the score! It's like a sub-Clockwork Orangesque > semi-confusing but fun romp all round... uh, I better stop rambling... i heard that they did film a sequence with HW doing sonic attack (i think) but either it never made it to the fnished version (moorcock noting that the director, robert faust couldn't deal with HW in general, and their volume in particular) oop, enough rambling from me as well... --dave From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Tue May 28 03:38:24 1996 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 08:38:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Love in Space and all that Message-ID: >Carl wrote > You can tell it's a real HW album from the sloppy packaging >errors :) Mispelling Paul Rudolph's name, getting on of the song >lengths in the wrong colour, etc. :) > The pictures and booklet are very nice, the cover is cool. >However the digipak business has gotten completely out of control. >There is no way to easily manipulate the CDs in and out of this bastard! >I will have no choice but to buy a blank 2CD jewelcase to put the CDs >in. I could handle _Alien 4_ but this is too much. Damn right but even worse was to befall me. I arrived at Mike Lloyd bought the CDs played disk 1, not bad, inserted disk 2 low and behold it sounded just like disk 1 ???? .IT WAS... Went back to M.L and we checked 14 Digipaks and all but 1 had Two disk 1's in. So some where out there are a load of disk 2's. Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk 'Sunrise Wrongside of Another Day' "Kilminster" --------------------------------------------- From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue May 28 06:50:24 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 21:50:24 +1100 Subject: HW: Love in Space and all that Message-ID: On 28 May 96 Derrick Chilton wrote about Re: HW: Love in Space and all that: > Damn right but even worse was to befall me. > I arrived at Mike Lloyd bought the CDs played disk 1, not bad, inserted disk 2 > low and behold it sounded just like disk 1 ???? .IT WAS... > Went back to M.L and we checked 14 Digipaks and all but 1 had Two disk 1's in. > So some where out there are a load of disk 2's. I'm glad that didn't happen to me ... being on the other side of teh world and all that! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue May 28 06:53:19 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 21:53:19 +1100 Subject: OFF: Calling Rudy Message-ID: Sorry about this all of you who aren't Mr. Rudich ..... You there man? darxtar-l has been bouncing mail back to me that was directed to your address due to "Connection Refused" by your server (stop complaining about pornography censorship ... now they're censoring prog-rock!) Or maybe it's just Doug getting even ..... -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue May 28 09:49:40 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 09:49:40 -0400 Subject: OFF: New Porky Tree.....& FISH! In-Reply-To: <9605011801.aa25365@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at May 1, 96 06:01:14 pm Message-ID: > > Keith A Henderson writes: > > > > > What's the name of the new album, and when should we expect it?? > > > > It's called 'Signify' and will be out in August on Delerium (I guess UK only > > for the moment). The single seems a bit early doesn't it?? > > > > the single is prob being released to coincide with the tour. > Apparently my local Independent trader had them but has now sold out. > More due in tomorrow. It's been released in both vinyl and CD format. > > The US version of Sky Moves Sideways is muchly superior to the UK > because it has both Stars Die and Moonloop on it - get this in > preference if you have a choice. > Or buy the UK "Stars Die" EP and the UK release and make a tape! I put the "SD" single as the opening track, faded it out during the intro to "Moonloop" and started recording the UK release of the full-length album. I faded out again at the end of "Prepare Yourself", which made all of this fit nicely on a C-60. Faded up the last five seconds of "PY" and let the rest of the CD proceed to the end. Nice! (IMHO, the second part of TSMS sounds alot like great vintage Tangerine Dream!) > There's also a Porcupine Tree Newsletter. Currently the 2nd issue has > just been produced and if anyone is interested I can give them an address > to write to. > > > > > I also found the PT tour dates for the UK (May)....starts tomorrow!! > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > Edinburgh Venue (2nd) > > > yep! Here's hoping for a good show. > > > jill > > obHawkwindcontent> none - sorry! > obweathercontent> it's snowing obweathercontent> it's thunderstorming after about a week of 90+ days! > > > > > > I think Marillion started out this way also, with a flood of > > > EP's and singles before they got a steady record deal with EMI. > > > Interesting point: Steven Wilson and Fish are apparently teaming up to do a track or three for a new Fish release. Don't remember the details, but it is in the works! > Were these not released by EMI? I think they spent the first several > releases just catching up with all their favourite live tracks but I > could be misremembering. > > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue May 28 12:10:11 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 12:10:11 -0400 Subject: London Questions Message-ID: Do these distances seem reasonable to anyone: London to Brentwood 20 to 25 Miles. London to Guildford 25 to 30 Miles. Also the last trains back to London are at 11:30PM from both Brentwood and Guildford. Do these gigs generally end before that time or should I start enquiring about a private car service/cab? regards, Bill Stewart From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue May 28 15:24:53 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 21:24:53 +0200 Subject: BOC ? Message-ID: ...what have happened to all you oysters out there? I don't get any BOCmails... -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat May 25 13:01:15 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 18:01:15 +0100 Subject: HW/ Pistols In-Reply-To: <199605251537.QAA28177@easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <199605251537.QAA28177 at easynet.co.uk>, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes >>Talking of which I just got ICU - Passout on CD with the extra tracks - >Plus I seem to remember that "Shit From Hell" consisted of Sensible >alongside some ICU people. Don't think they ever did more than one gig though! Whoa! Anyone got a tape of *that*!? -- Jon Browne From stayer at PI.NET Tue May 28 20:32:03 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 17:32:03 PDT Subject: OFF: Ziggy=Jimi? Message-ID: Duane, >3. He came on so loaded man, well hung and snow white tan > known to arrive and play in a wasted state, well hung being a reference > to the old sterotype of blacks being more generously endowed, and snow > white tan would refer to the fact that Jimi played what was considered > be "white" music while he was of darker or "tanned" skin. I thought 'loaded' could also mean to have a lot of money, or a lot of talent. But since English is not my first language I could be very wrong. 'Well hung' - the Plaster Casters had a lot of fun creating their portrait of Jimi's dick. It's not only the stereotype. They (Plaster Casters: Cynthia and Diane) wrote: "We need a ratio 28:28 (a much larger than normal amount of mix) and found this just barely sifficient. He has got just about the biggest rig I've ever seen! We had to plunge him through the entire depth of the vase... We got a beautiful mould. He even kept his hard for the entire minute. He got stuck, however, for about fifteen minutes, but he was an excellent sport - didn't panic... I believe the reason we couldn't get his rig out was that it wouldn't GET SOFT!" Somewhere else I read that a musician (forgot his name) entered the Plaster Caster exhibition, saw the Hendrix mould, looked at it, and left. 'Well hung' - couldn't that say something about the guitar, hanging from his shoulders as well? Snow white tan' - drugs, /the/ white Stratocaster? >5. Then we were Ziggy's band - Jimi became larger than the Experience, and > then left them behind for his Band of Gypsies. Could also mean the growing group of people he invited to the studio. Take a look at the list of guest musicians on Electric Ladyland, for example. At the end of his life, he expressed the wish to leave behing the trio format. He wanted to create more music than play - rather conducting a very large group of musicians. >I guess it's spacerock >related, Spiders from Mars, Starman and all :-) Is it prohibited to have some OFF discussion? You forgot another argument in favour of your theory, your sig: >"There's a Starman waiting in the sky, > he'd like to come and meet us, > but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Jimi said something like people raising him, although he was mereley a messenger. Many did not understand the message he had - 'blowing our minds'. I like your theory. I'll have a close look at Bowie's lyrics. Your arguments are all in favour of the theory. Any cons? CU, Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue May 28 21:08:49 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 18:08:49 PDT Subject: OFF: God Used the Unix to create Earth Message-ID: ===================================================== In the begining there was the computer. And God sayd: %Let there be light! #Enter user id %God #Enter password. %Omniscient #password incorrect. Try again. %Omnipotent #Password incorrect. Try again. %Technocrat #And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Sunday, March 1. %Let there be light! #Unrecognizable command. Try again. %Create light #done %run Heaven and Earth #And God created Day and Night. And God saw there were 0 errors #And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM sunday, March 1 #Approx. funds remaining: $92.50. #And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Monday, March 2 %Let there be firmament in the midst of water and light. #Unrecognizable command. Try again. %Create firmament #Done %Run firmament #And God divided the waters. And God saw there were 0 erros. #And God logged off at 12:02:00 Am, Monday, March 2. #Approx. funds remaining: $84.60. #And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Tuesday, March 3. %Let the waters under heaven be gathered together unto one place and let dry land appear and... #Too many characters in specification string. Try again. %Create dry land #Done %Run firmament #And God divided the waters. And God ssaw there were 0 errors. #And God logged of at 12:02:00 AM, Tuesday, March 3 #Approx. funds remaining: $65.00. #And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Wednesday, March 4 %Create lights in the firmament to divide the day from the night #Unspecified type. Try again. %Run sun_moon_stars #done #And God created the heavens. And God saw there were 0 errors. #And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Wednesday, March 4 #Approx funds remaining: $54.00 #And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Thursday, March 5 %Create fish #Done %Create fowl #Done %Run fish, fowl #And God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that creepeth wherewith the waters swarmed after its kind and every winged fowl after its kind. And God saw there were 0 errors. #And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Thursday, March 5 #Approx funds remaining: $45.00 #And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Friday, March 6 %Create cattle %Create creepy_things #Done %now let us make man in our image #Unspecified type. Try again %Create man #Done %Be fruitiful and multiply and replenish the Earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over every living thing that creepeth upon the Earth. #Too many commands operands. Try again. #run multiplication #Execution terminated. 6 errors. %Insert breath #Done %Run multiplication #Execution terminated. 5 errors %Move man to Garden of Eden #File Garden of Eden does not exist. %Create Garden.edn #Done %Move man to Garden.edn #Done %Run multiplication #Execution terminated. 4 errors %Copy woman from man #done %Run multiplication #Execution terminated. 3 errors %Insert woman into man #Illigal parameters. Try again. %Insert man into woman #Done %Run Multiplication #Execution terminated. 2 errors %Create desire #Done %Run multiplication #And God saw man and womanbeing frutiful and multipling in Garden.edn #Warning: no time limit on this run. 1 errors %Create freewill #Done %Run freewill #And God saw man and womanbeing frutiful and multipling in Garden.edn #warning: no time limit in this run. 1 errors %Undo desire #Desire can not be undone once freewill is created %Destroy freewill #Freewill is an inaccessible file and can not be destroyed #Enter replacement, cancel, or ask for help. %Help #Desire can not be undone once freewill is created #freewill is an inaccessible file and can not be destroyed #Enter replacement, cancel or ask for help %Create tree of knowledge #And God saw man and woman being frutiful and multipling in Garden.edn #Warning: no time limit on this run. 1 errors %Create good, evil #Done %Activate evil #And God saw he had created shame #Warning systen error in section E95.Man and woman not in Garden.edn #1 errors %Scan Garden.edn for man and woman #Search failed %Delete shame #Shame can not be deleted once evil has been activated %Destroy freewill #Freewill is an inaccessible file and can not be destroyed #Enter replacement, cancel, or ask for help %Stop #Unrecognizable command. try again. %Break #Break %Break #ATTENTION ALL USERS *** ATTENTION ALL USERS: COMPUTER GOING DOWN FOR REGULAR DAY MAINTENANCE AND REST IN FIVE MINUTES. PLEASE LOG OFF. %create new world #You have exceeded your allocated file space. You must destroy old files before new ones can be created %Destroy Earth #Destroy Earth: please confirm #destroy Earth confirmed #COMPUTER DOWN**** COMPUTER DOWN SERVICES WILL RESUME SUNDAY, MARCH 8 AT 6:00 AM. YOU MUST SIGN OFF NOW. #And God logged off at 11:59:59 PM friday, March 6 #approx funds remaining: $0.00 ================================================= Jerry From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue May 28 21:51:36 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 21:51:36 -0400 Subject: Br.Surgns/Trepanation- unavailable? Message-ID: Mike DeUrso, President of Ripe & Ready, can be e-mailed @MikeMango @aol.com. Tell him what and where the store is that claims "Trepanation" is out of print or can't be ordered and he will set you and them straight immediately. Go to it. -DF From chriss at MDC.NET Tue May 28 17:34:55 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 22:34:55 +0100 Subject: BOC ? Message-ID: >...what have happened to all you oysters out there? >I don't get any BOCmails... > We're just lurking and waiting for the next big event, whatever it may be. We're also busy reading the great BOC article in Goldmine! Chris From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Wed May 29 07:11:04 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 12:11:04 +0100 Subject: BOC:Goldmine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Skip I couldn't connect to that Goldmine web page address. I guess it has changed as I have just found a web page for Goldmine at: http://www.tias.com/mags/krause/Goldmine/ Thanks again - Mike Godwin From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed May 29 08:57:28 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 07:57:28 EST Subject: tripods? Message-ID: > Somewhere else I read that a musician (forgot his name) entered the Plaster > Caster exhibition, saw the Hendrix mould, looked at it, and left. > > CU, > Jerry There was a persistent rumor that one of the biggest ever in show biz was ol' blue eyes. Sinatra's supposed to have a real torpedo. Though at close to 80, I don't know if the fuse is still active. theo New and noteworthy: King Biscuit Flower Hour Presents: Robin Trower in Concert. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed May 29 08:21:08 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 08:21:08 -0400 Subject: BOC ? Message-ID: Daniel asked >...what have happened to all you oysters out there? Maybe we all got a life :) - Andy ObCD: Metallica - "Until it Sleeps" From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Wed May 29 09:28:24 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 09:28:24 EDT Subject: HW TV Appearan Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 29/05/96 14.26 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Hi, Was there ever any follow-up to the message below from about a month ago? I'm keen to confirm the sighting on TV, was it really studio? Or a snip from the forthcoming video etc etc? Si, can you please give for details of what you saw, if you can remember. Cheers, Jez +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thurs 18th April Was anybody watching VH-1 around midnight on Thursday. They had a show called 'The Bridge' which featured the Hawks live in the studio! I only caught the last two song, Love In Space and Silver Machine. Don't know anymore then that. It was pure luck I caught it as I was just channel surfing. Does anyone know if the show is repeated. Did they play any other songs or maybe an interview? si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Wed May 29 09:31:57 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 09:31:57 EDT Subject: HW Langtree Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 29/05/96 14.29 --- Received from LES.DACOMBJ 4709 29/05/96 14.26 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Hi, Can anyone please furnish me with the details of the Langtree festival in Devon on 27th July please. Where did this info originate from? Cheers, Jez sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed May 29 10:48:57 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 09:48:57 EST Subject: OFF: Guru Guru Message-ID: ---------------------------- Forwarded with Changes --------------------------- From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM at smtp Date: 5/26/96 7:55AM To: cjohnson at hpsc *To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU at smtp Subject: Re: OFF: Guru Guru ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I managed to pick up a copy of the "new" Guru Guru this weekend. The title is 'Space Ship (Best of Part 1)', from Cleopatra Recs. It is a low-priced US compilation release, containing a full 80mins of GG from the early/mid seventies. Most songs clock in around 10 to 15mins each. Actually, a reasonable purchase, considering GG CDs are not widely available over here, and are not cheap either. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From EQSHW.BLAUCHNO at STATE.UT.US Wed May 29 11:32:33 1996 From: EQSHW.BLAUCHNO at STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 09:32:33 -0600 Subject: Salt Lake City show info Message-ID: Coming out of lurker mode to ask: Does anyone know where BOC will be playing in SLC tomorrow night (May 30)? I just found out that they will be in town tomorrow and haven't heard anything about it. Any info will be appreciated. Brad L. blauchno at state.ut.us From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 29 17:51:05 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:51:05 BST Subject: HW Langtree In-Reply-To: Jeremy Dacombe's message of Wed, 29 May 1996 09:31:57 EDT Message-ID: Jeremy Dacombe writes: > --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 29/05/96 14.29 > --- Received from LES.DACOMBJ 4709 29/05/96 14.26 > -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET > > > Hi, > Can anyone please furnish me with the details of the Langtree festival > in Devon on 27th July please. > Where did this info originate from? Bill Stewart I think. Langtree is close to the home of a certain Mr D Brock but I know no further details. It sounds like an outdoor festival of some kind and I'd certainly like to get to it if I can find further info and so I think would others (Maxine - sorry, I'll reply to your mail in a minute or so!). Oakhampton is probably the nearest largish town if you want to search for it on the map - Langtree is a few miles NW? of there. Maybe the Devon Tourist Board can help..... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 29 09:56:54 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 14:56:54 +0100 Subject: OFF : tripods? In-Reply-To: <1389E86336D@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: In message <1389E86336D at hawk.syr.edu>, "Ted O. Jackson" writes >There was a persistent rumor that one of the biggest ever in show biz >was ol' blue eyes. Sinatra's supposed to have a real torpedo. >Though at close to 80, I don't know if the fuse is still active. >theo But by all accounts was beaten into 2nd place at the Hollywood Who's Got The Biggest Chopper Party by diminiutive Roddy McDowell. -- Jon Browne From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed May 29 15:02:27 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 14:02:27 EST Subject: OFF : tripods? Message-ID: > > In message <1389E86336D at hawk.syr.edu>, "Ted O. Jackson" > writes > >There was a persistent rumor that one of the biggest ever in show biz > >was ol' blue eyes. Sinatra's supposed to have a real torpedo. > >Though at close to 80, I don't know if the fuse is still active. > >theo > > But by all accounts was beaten into 2nd place at the Hollywood Who's Got > The Biggest Chopper Party by diminiutive Roddy McDowell. > -- > Jon Browne Well, as Vonnegut says, "You never know who'll get one" in describing the well-hung, but equally geeky Billy Pilgrim... theo New and noteworthy: King Biscuit Flower Hour Presents: Robin Trower in Concert. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed May 29 15:21:37 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 14:21:37 EST Subject: OFF : tripods? Message-ID: > > >There was a persistent rumor that one of the biggest ever in show biz > > >was ol' blue eyes. Sinatra's supposed to have a real torpedo. > > >Though at close to 80, I don't know if the fuse is still active. > > >theo > > > > But by all accounts was beaten into 2nd place at the Hollywood Who's Got > > The Biggest Chopper Party by diminiutive Roddy McDowell. > > -- > > Jon Browne They don't call him 'Rod' dy for nothing! theo New and noteworthy: King Biscuit Flower Hour Presents: Robin Trower in Concert. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed May 29 14:29:52 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 20:29:52 +0200 Subject: HW Langtree Message-ID: >> Hi, >> Can anyone please furnish me with the details of the Langtree festival >> in Devon on 27th July please. >> Where did this info originate from? > >Bill Stewart I think. Langtree is close to the home of a certain Mr D >Brock but I know no further details. It sounds like an outdoor >festival of some kind and I'd certainly like to get to it if I can find >further info and so I think would others (Maxine - sorry, I'll reply to >your mail in a minute or so!). Oakhampton is probably the nearest >largish town if you want to search for it on the map - Langtree is a few >miles NW? of there. > >Maybe the Devon Tourist Board can help..... ...or the inner sleeve to Yes _Tormato_, which have a large scaled map over the area, with Oakhampton on top, and yes, it's the Yes Tor in the middle. no sign of a Brock house, though ;0) and while looking at the map, you can play "Don't Kill the Whale". >jill \\joe ObSpace Rock: Potens de Luxe From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Wed May 29 15:28:15 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 15:28:15 -0400 Subject: NIK/HW: forsale Message-ID: Two Hawkwind-related items for sale cheap, just on the slight chance that anyone was looking for these particular things: Inner City Unit - _Passout_ (OldHitz CD 001) This is hard to find. There's a scratch on it though, and while it plays fine on one of my CD players, it skips on the other. Hawkwind - _Anthology_ (Castle 3CD set with booklet) Compilation; check discography for details; big hunks of LiveChronicles, SpaceBandits, PalaceSprings, others From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed May 29 16:06:48 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:06:48 -0400 Subject: OFF: Porky Tree in the US In-Reply-To: <9605281349.AA02177@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> from "Craig Shipley" at May 28, 96 09:49:40 am Message-ID: Hi Folks... For those interested.... As you may know, PTree is still scheduled to perform at the Baltimore ProgScape on June 29, 1996 (the second of four groups). The word now is that they are looking to schedule a gig in or around NYC a day or two before ProgScape. So those of you in that vicinity should look out for local show announcements. I know Bill S. will probably be in Europe then, so I guess you'll be in the wrong place at the wrong time....but then, you'll be seeing HW again, so no complaining! Also, the entire group will be coming over for the show...I had been worried that maybe if there was to be only a single show, that Steve Wilson may come alone and play with piped in synths/tapes/atmospherics....but thankfully, it will not be so. Also, Fruit Salad Lights, who were doing their thing on the UK tour will not be coming. Not sure what the set up will be over here. Thats all ..... Keith H. ObCassette: Attahk - Magma P.S. Can't tell you if they might be adding more dates...will look out for more info, though..... From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed May 29 20:11:22 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 20:11:22 -0400 Subject: HW Langtree Message-ID: In a message dated 96-05-29 12:55:28 EDT, you write: >> Where did this info originate from? > >Bill Stewart I think. Langtree is close to the home of a certain Mr D >Brock I got the info *very* close to the source. So far it has been right on (except for the cancellations) the money. Why do I get the feeling I'll be steppin off the plane in London to find the tour cancelled??? Hey Ron---you gettin that feelin too? regards, Bill Stewart From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed May 29 22:32:59 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 21:32:59 -0500 Subject: HW Tribute: Assassins of Silence/Hundred Watt Violence In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 23 May 1996, Paul Mather wrote: > > Appearantly there's a HW tribute album out on the San Francisco based > > label Ceres Records. The New Bomb Turks version of "Ejection" is > > availible on their new comp. called "Pissing out the Poison". Cool. > > Anyway, if anyody could provide me w/a catalog #, and if its availible > > on CD?? Also, Monster Magnet covered "Brainstorm" on their album > > "Superjudge". Monster Magnet rule!!! What other bands have covered HW on > > records?? > > > > anyways, > > thanks for any info anybody could provide on the tribute album/covers. > > Funny you should mention HW covers as the list is right now in the process > of producing a four tape set of HW covers. If you have access to the WWW, > you can view their contents (the cassette inlays to be used) at: > > http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/paul/boc-l/covers.html > > Allan T. Grohe (U.S.A.) and Dave Berry (I think he's the one) (Europe) > are busy gearing up to run off the tapes even as we speak... Indeed we are :-) If you, Christian, or anyone else who hasn't spoken up yet, are interested in a set, do please contact me (Allan; address below) or Dave (daveb at harlequin.co.uk) for further info. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed May 29 23:34:34 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 05:34:34 +0200 Subject: NIK/HW: forsale Message-ID: At 15:28 1996-05-29 -0400, you wrote: >Two Hawkwind-related items for sale cheap, just on the slight chance that >anyone was looking for these particular things: > > Inner City Unit - _Passout_ (OldHitz CD 001) > This is hard to find. There's a scratch on it though, and > while it plays fine on one of my CD players, it skips on the other. > > Hawkwind - _Anthology_ (Castle 3CD set with booklet) > Compilation; check discography for details; > big hunks of LiveChronicles, SpaceBandits, PalaceSprings, others hi Ken, I'm interested in both items - what's the price for them? best, \\joe From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 30 04:18:38 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:18:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Record Collector (or Uh-Oh NiK vs. Dave again!) In-Reply-To: <199605291332.JAA21031@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: This month's Record Collector (UK) out today has a three page Hawkwind feature. Basically Six half-page each interviews with Brock, Turner, Moorcock, Dettmar, Ollis and DikMik. They are all recent interviews. Haven't read it through yet, in my hurry to tell you, before this fine magazine sells out :-)) Except Dave mentions Nik's current activities and Nik mentions certain legal injunctions. Anyone in the UK got enough time to type up the article? -- Jon Browne From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Thu May 30 09:58:30 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:58:30 U Subject: BOC & Hawkwind - Mag articles Message-ID: >This month's Record Collector (UK) out today has a three page Hawkwind >feature. Basically Six half-page each interviews with Brock, Turner, >Moorcock, Dettmar, Ollis and DikMik. They are all recent interviews. >Haven't read it through yet, in my hurry to tell you, before this fine >magazine sells out :-)) >Except Dave mentions Nik's current activities and Nik mentions certain >legal injunctions. Has anyone in the UK sourced a copy of Goldmine yet? From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Thu May 30 06:51:10 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 06:51:10 EDT Subject: HW: Langtree Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 30/05/96 11.50 --- Received from LES.DACOMBJ 4709 29/05/96 14.29 --- Received from LES.DACOMBJ 4709 29/05/96 14.26 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Hi, Can anyone please furnish me with the details of the Langtree festival in Devon on 27th July please. Where did this info originate from? Cheers, Jez sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Thu May 30 08:45:15 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 08:45:15 EDT Subject: HW: TV App Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 30/05/96 13.42 --- Received from LES.DACOMBJ 4709 29/05/96 14.26 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Hi, Was there ever any follow-up to the message below from about a month ago? I'm keen to confirm the sighting on TV, was it really studio? Or a snip from the forthcoming video etc etc? Si, can you please give for details of what you saw, if you can remember. Cheers, Jez +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thurs 18th April Was anybody watching VH-1 around midnight on Thursday. They had a show called 'The Bridge' which featured the Hawks live in the studio! I only caught the last two song, Love In Space and Silver Machine. Don't know anymore then that. It was pure luck I caught it as I was just channel surfing. Does anyone know if the show is repeated. Did they play any other songs or maybe an interview? si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu May 30 10:07:39 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:07:39 EST Subject: BOC & Hawkwind - Mag articles Message-ID: > >This month's Record Collector (UK) out today has a three page Hawkwind > >feature. Basically Six half-page each interviews with Brock, Turner, > >Moorcock, Dettmar, Ollis and DikMik. They are all recent interviews. > >Haven't read it through yet, in my hurry to tell you, before this fine > >magazine sells out :-)) > > >Except Dave mentions Nik's current activities and Nik mentions certain > >legal injunctions. > > Has anyone in the UK sourced a copy of Goldmine yet? BTW, this month's 'Guitar Shop' has a very complimentary letter to the editor, thanking them for a most favorable review of 'WotT' in the previous issue. BTW, Buck is a regular columnist for said mag., albeit his articles are pretty technical--usually reviews of new guitar gear... theo New and noteworthy: King Biscuit Flower Hour Presents: Robin Trower in Concert. From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu May 30 08:47:45 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 23:47:45 +1100 Subject: HW: Record Collector (or Uh-Oh NiK vs. Dave again!) Message-ID: On 30 May 96 Jon Browne wrote about HW: Record Collector (or Uh-Oh NiK : > This month's Record Collector (UK) out today has a three page Hawkwind > feature. > (snip) > Anyone in the UK got enough time to type up the article? If you want to fax it to me (assuming you don't mind the international rates), I'll happily type it up if no-one else offers! (fax +61 3 9888-9001) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu May 30 10:57:05 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 16:57:05 +0200 Subject: HW: Record Collector (or Uh-Oh NiK vs. Dave again!) Message-ID: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?= wrote: > > On 30 May 96 Jon Browne wrote about HW: Record Collector (or Uh-Oh > NiK : > > > This month's Record Collector (UK) out today has a three page Hawkwind > > feature. > > (snip) > > Anyone in the UK got enough time to type up the article? > > If you want to fax it to me (assuming you don't mind the > international rates), I'll happily type it up if no-one else offers! > I just got a brand new scanner with an OCR function (It can read certain fonts and store them as text instead of pictures), but I have yet to install the proper software and try it out... I'm sure some typing wiz at this very moment is dedicated to share this article with us (yay! I'm picking up a copy anyway) thru his manual efforts, thus beating my virgin technology of being fed a Hawkwind article first time around.... sorry, I've had a long day... When I do get it up and running, though, I'll attempt to scan the entire contents of the Hawkwind Log and feed it to the poor souls deprived of its wisdom!! chrimum %=o From stayer at PI.NET Thu May 30 03:13:10 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 00:13:10 PDT Subject: OFF: it's not the size, it's what you do with it... Message-ID: >> Somewhere else I read that a musician (forgot his name) entered the Plaster >> Caster exhibition, saw the Hendrix mould, looked at it, and left. >There was a persistent rumor that one of the biggest ever in show biz >was ol' blue eyes. Sinatra's supposed to have a real torpedo. >Though at close to 80, I don't know if the fuse is still active. But he was not 'done' by the Plaster Casters! :-) Jerry From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu May 30 11:44:16 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:44:16 -0400 Subject: OFF : tripods? Message-ID: theo writes: Sinatra's supposed to have a real torpedo. jon adds: Who's Got The Biggest Chopper... etc What a fascinating discussion ! :-) I can see you fellas are just getting all wound up for the new Peter Bohovesky masterpiece, "Donkeyshow"..... From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu May 30 07:45:17 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:45:17 +0000 Subject: HW Langtree Message-ID: > Why do I get the feeling I'll be steppin off the plane in London to find the > tour cancelled??? Hey Ron---you gettin that feelin too? > > regards, > Bill Stewart.. uh, wutchew talkin' 'bout willis? if that's the case,i suppose we'll have to storm the gates of castle brock! but please explain that feeling of yours to me... it had not occurred to me,but now my paranoia level has risen about three notches..... somebody say the three magic words to me! rj From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu May 30 12:59:42 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:59:42 EST Subject: Blue eyes/P.C. 'connection' Message-ID: > > >> Somewhere else I read that a musician (forgot his name) entered the > Plaster > >> Caster exhibition, saw the Hendrix mould, looked at it, and left. > >There was a persistent rumor that one of the biggest ever in show biz > >was ol' blue eyes. Sinatra's supposed to have a real torpedo. > >Though at close to 80, I don't know if the fuse is still active. > > But he was not 'done' by the Plaster Casters! :-) > > Jerry That is one pairing I'd be very interested in witnessing! theo New and noteworthy: King Biscuit Flower Hour Presents: Robin Trower in Concert. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu May 30 13:02:09 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:02:09 EST Subject: OFF : tripods?/tBS prescience? Message-ID: > > theo writes: Sinatra's supposed to have a real torpedo. > jon adds: Who's Got > The Biggest Chopper... etc > > What a fascinating discussion ! :-) > I can see you fellas are just getting all wound up for the new Peter > Bohovesky masterpiece, "Donkeyshow"..... How bout that? Must be some subliminal messages from Al/Deb have wound into our collective cerebral cortex? theo New and noteworthy: King Biscuit Flower Hour Presents: Robin Trower in Concert. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu May 30 12:56:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:56:00 EDT Subject: OFF : re - tripods?/tBS prescience? Message-ID: > What a fascinating discussion ! :-) > I can see you fellas are just getting all wound up for the new Peter > Bohovesky masterpiece, "Donkeyshow"..... The fabled owner of the Bohog? Sounds like 6/22 will be a night to get plastered at Mama Kin. Are you ready, John? I'm surprised Calvert's use of Lucky Leif and the Longboats hasn't entered into this conversation. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean? Rudy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu May 30 13:38:13 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:38:13 -0400 Subject: OFF : re - tripods?/tBS prescience? Message-ID: > What a fascinating discussion ! :-) > I can see you fellas are just getting all wound up for the new Peter > Bohovesky masterpiece, "Donkeyshow"..... The fabled owner of the Bohog? Sounds like 6/22 will be a night to get plastered at Mama Kin. Are you ready, John? I'll be there, but I dunno about getting "plastered" - I might be bringin' my sister with me to the gig. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu May 30 14:53:52 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:53:52 -0500 Subject: OFF : re - tripods?/tBS prescience? Message-ID: > > What a fascinating discussion ! :-) > > I can see you fellas are just getting all wound up for the new Peter > > Bohovesky masterpiece, "Donkeyshow"..... > > The fabled owner of the Bohog? Sounds like 6/22 will be a night to get > plastered at Mama Kin. Are you ready, John? > > > I'll be there, but I dunno about getting "plastered" - I might be bringin' > my sister with me to the gig. > > John Well, in the interest of being p.c. [the 'other' p.c.!] maybe she'd consider being cast? theo ###################################################################### New and noteworthy: King Biscuit Flower Hour Presents: Robin Trower in Concert. From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 30 19:39:54 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 19:39:54 BST Subject: HW Langtree In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Wed, 29 May 1996 20:11:22 -0400 Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > > I got the info *very* close to the source. So far it has been right on > (except for the cancellations) the money. > Why do I get the feeling I'll be steppin off the plane in London to find the > tour cancelled??? There have been no nasty rumours from down south yet about the show being off. I'll keep in touch tho' since I have no great wish to rush all the way down to outer Surbiton and have to spend the night there without seeing Hawkwind. Heck - it's dangerous. Stay there too long and you metamorphose into a semi-detatched with 2.4 kids and a 10.00 pm bedtime 8-(( jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu May 30 14:47:24 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 19:47:24 +0100 Subject: HW TV Appearan In-Reply-To: <199605291328.JAA20996@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Reply to Jeremy Dacombe about HW TV Appearan >--- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 29/05/96 14.26 > -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET > Hi, > Was there ever any follow-up to the message below from about a month > ago? > I'm keen to confirm the sighting on TV, was it really studio? > Or a snip from the forthcoming video etc etc? > Si, can you please give for details of what you saw, if you can > remember. > Cheers, Jez > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Thurs 18th April >Was anybody watching VH-1 around midnight on Thursday. They had a show called >'The Bridge' which featured the Hawks live in the studio! >I only caught the last two song, Love In Space and Silver Machine. Don't know >anymore then that. It was pure luck I caught it as I was just channel >surfing. Does anyone know if the show is repeated. Did they play any other >songs or maybe an interview? >si Wow somebody noticed. I sent this after watching the show and thought it would be jumped on. But nothing! It was definitly on. It was in the tv studio. It was Alan, Dave, Richard and Ron. Lots of phychedelic lights over the band. Alan looking like the ultimate woodstock hippy. I was channel surfing and only caught the last 8-10 mins. I think I got SM on tape but I'm not sure which tape(I just grabbed the nearest one). The woman persenter did some talk between the two songs saying something like "That's it for tonight, just time for one more from Hawkwind" and then they were back for SM. end of show. How long they were on for in total I don't know. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Thu May 30 17:11:30 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:11:30 +0100 Subject: HW TV Appearan Message-ID: I've got a copy of this getting sent very soon. It's the full thing, but until I see it, I can't give any more details (funnily enough). Soon though! From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu May 30 18:46:21 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:46:21 -0400 Subject: HW: Traders beware Message-ID: Hello all, I am sending a warning to anyone who might trade tapes. I set up a trade last Feb. with a listmember by the name of Brian Moseley e-mail address was brian at webgenesis.com. I sent three C90's of HW shows. I still have not recieved anything in return, and I have gotten nothing but excuses when inquiring about them. Now it seems I have not even gotten any replies to my e-mail requests from my last two letters asking about the tapes. I just wanted to warn anyone else if they ever set up a trade with this guy to beware. In the event I ever recieve the tapes he was supposed to send, I will post the group and remove the warning label from this guy's name. Anyone else ever trade with him or get burned? Duane OBCD: Monster Magnet - 25.....tab -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Thu May 30 18:47:42 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:47:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Well Monster Magnet really Message-ID: After passing on a trader warnig, Duane said: >> OBCD: Monster Magnet - 25.....tab >>> Duane ( or anybody), I've seen this one in the shelves, but never been to sure what it is (early stuff/live stuff what ? theres no info on it all, and it looks real short ) I suppose I'm asking if its any good ? [Context love all their other stuff] Cheers, Steve L. From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu May 30 18:02:03 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:02:03 +1100 Subject: OFF: Calling Jill Message-ID: Sorry everyone else ... Jill, I need your snail address (unless you are extremely generous!) Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu May 30 19:09:10 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 19:09:10 -0400 Subject: HW: Well Monster Magnet really Message-ID: > >After passing on a trader warnig, Duane said: > >>> >OBCD: Monster Magnet - 25.....tab > > >>>> > >Duane ( or anybody), > >I've seen this one in the shelves, but never been to sure what it is >(early stuff/live stuff what ? theres no info on it all, and it looks real short >) > >I suppose I'm asking if its any good ? [Context love all their other stuff] > > >Cheers, >Steve L. > > Steve, ( or anyone else who wants to know) It is not a short cd. It is about 63 mins. long, but it only has three songs on it. 2 very long ones, and one regular one. THis one is very much more psychedelic, lots of repetitive chords, and quite a lot more space sounds than Superjudge, or Dopes. I am relatively new to MM, and so far I have liked all three releases I have heard. Does anyone know which release has the song 5 Years Ahead of My Time? It doesn't have any info inside about lineups, but there is a date of 1993 on the outside edge. Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Thu May 30 23:09:10 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:09:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: B5 books in UK Message-ID: Does anyone have any solid opinions on the two books out in the UK? I've got an importer here in Lawrence who can get them for me, one cheap ($10) the other not cheap ($32). The two books are: _Babylon 5 A to Z_ and _Creating Babylon 5_. Any input would be appreciated!! Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dahl at MAIL.AROS.NET Fri May 31 02:23:36 1996 From: dahl at MAIL.AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 00:23:36 -0600 Subject: BOC in SLC Message-ID: I just got back from seeing the boys jam here in Salt Lake City. What a great show! Buck was on one tonight. I don't think I've ever seen him play better. Allen looks like he ought to fear the Reaper. When I first saw Eric I said " hey, it's Eddie Van Halen (Eddie would've been playing rhythm tonight also the way Buck was playing). Now that they've both cut their hair it's pretty scary. If you have a chance to see them on this tour, DON'T MISS IT! Brad Dahl (how about that Jazz?) From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri May 31 06:15:27 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:15:27 +0200 Subject: HW: Well Monster Magnet really Message-ID: Duene writes: >Steve, ( or anyone else who wants to know) > >It is not a short cd. It is about 63 mins. long, but it only has three >songs on it. 2 very long ones, and one regular one. ( ;-) I'm sorry but you are...) Wrong, it's one long and two short. ...and I think the running time is about 45min. >THis one is very much more psychedelic, lots of repetitive chords, and >quite a lot more space sounds than Superjudge, or Dopes. This is correct though. >I am relatively >new to MM, and so far I have liked all three releases I have heard. >Does anyone know which release has the song 5 Years Ahead of My Time? >It doesn't have any info inside about lineups, but there is a date of >1993 on the outside edge. > I have got 5YAMT on the cds "Dopes to infinity" but theres a couple of different versions. Med Vanlig Halsning -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri May 31 11:22:57 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:22:57 BST Subject: HW TV Appearan In-Reply-To: gingoblin@easynet.co.uk's message of Thu, 30 May 1996 22:11:30 +0100 Message-ID: gingoblin at easynet.co.uk writes: > I've got a copy of this getting sent very soon. It's the full thing, but > until I see it, I can't give any more details (funnily enough). > Soon though! Are you getting a VHS/PAL copy? I'd be most interested? FoFP From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri May 31 09:28:29 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:28:29 +0200 Subject: HW: Well Monster Magnet really Message-ID: Stephen Lindsey wrote: > > After passing on a trader warnig, Duane said: > > >> > OBCD: Monster Magnet - 25.....tab > > >>> > > Duane ( or anybody), > > I've seen this one in the shelves, but never been to sure what it is > (early stuff/live stuff what ? theres no info on it all, and it looks real short > ) > > I suppose I'm asking if its any good ? [Context love all their other stuff] > Its excellent. Its only got 4 or 5 tracks but the first one is a nearly 30 minutes long raga-rock jam. Very different from much of their other material from the same period (or any). Very far out and highly recommended. Christian From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri May 31 10:22:56 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 01:22:56 +1100 Subject: OFF: Adrian Shaw's 'Tea' review Message-ID: Artist: Adrian Shaw Title: Tea for the Hydra Label: Woronzow Records WOO 27 CD, 1996 Credits: Ade Shaw - all instruments, all tracks Nick Soloman - lead guitar and organ solo on Red and Grey, drums on Machine Music Andy Ward - drums on Red and Grey Bari Watts - lead guitar on Heart Of Stone Aaron Shaw - lead guitar on Roger's in a Home Pete Pavli - violin on I'm Glad I'm Me Not having followed Ade's career at all since leaving Hawkwind in the late 70's, I really had no idea what to expect of this release, short of the fact that it is described as psychedelic on the Woronzow Records WWW page. So with some eagerness, I removed the disk from the suitably colourful case, and placed it in the player ...... The album opens with some sweeping high pitched synthesizer effects as "Son of Sam" begins. A warbling effect suddenly appears in your left ear, then sweeps around the inside of your skull for a while, becoming all the while more frenetic, as other electronic effects join the fray. A distorted keyboard 'melody' (for want of a better word) starts up to accompany Ade's almost spoken lyrical contribution. Yes, psychedelia lives on in the 90's! "Heart of Stone" picks up the pace with heavily distorted bass and synth opening. The lyricals are sung this time, but there is a fine line between spoken word and singing which Ade only just crosses. His singing style somehow reminds of John Cooper Clarke! There is some great little pieces of lead guitar here, interspersed with a heavy throbbing drum solo accompanying samples from the movie "Eraserhead". Right when you need a break from the craziness, the strains of a piano are heard as "Falling" begins. It's amazing how much this track reminds me of the Beatles! This is a really great (if strangely chosen) track, with pleasant piano, keyboard, drum, bass guitar and vocals. I was surprised! The 'nice' music hangs around for the next two tracks, but with small doses of Ade's musical insanity interspersed for good measure. "I'm Glad I'm Me" is another slow paced track which forms a nice blend from the previous totally sane piece to the "Teeth of the Hydra" which follows. This opens with some vocals over a lone guitar, and the other instruments joining in for the chorus. Both of these are great pieces, with some decent playing included free of charge. But you are definitely ready for an icrease in pace afterwards. A sudden lead break opens "Roger's in a Home", which turns out to be only marginally faster than the previous few, but somehow exhibits a lot of energy and feeling. The customary crazy synth bit in the middle is accompanied by snippets of children playing and (possibly) an opera singer, as the lead comes back with a gusto. By now, I'm enjoying the album immensely, but need an insanity injection, "Machine Music" provides just that. Heavy fuzz on the mid paced bass line, and psyche all around provided by the almost subtle vocal resampling. The piano intro to "Red and Grey" and extremely misleading as the guitar bass and drums thunder in .... regular changes of pace save what would otherwise possibly be a bit of a monotonous track. Not my favoutite track on the album, but the organ solo towards the end is worth the effort of hearing it out. "Iron Curtain" follows, opening with synth effects reminiscent to the opening track, but with less emphasis on the L-R panning, on more on crazy variations of the sounds. As the track continues, the effects get more complex, but sadly it goes no where at all. After Four and a half minutes of it I expected something ... but no! The synth is joined by guitar, keyboards, bass and drums once again for the next track "Trillib", the vocals accompanied here and there by an opera singer (whose voice is suitably electronically altered). Basically a slow rock track with some psychedelic effects, it's OK but nothing mind blowing. The final piece on this tribute to all things multi-coloured is "Live for the Day". The beat is maintained with an interesting effect which sounds like a recording of some sort played backwards. Bits of guitar, bass and keyboard here and there also back the vocals (which are quite strange ... I'm sure one bit said "I trust that my software will keep me together"!) It's actually not a bad track at all. Overall, I quite like this album, though a few of the tracks towards the end let it down a little. I would recommend it to anyone interested in this genre (whatever it actually is!). It's a pity I'm not familiar with some of Ade's other work, such as "Magic Muscle" and his part of the "Bevis Frond" so that I could provide some comparison. A very hard album to describe indeed! _____________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________ Sonique _ -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM Fri May 31 12:28:00 1996 From: JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM (JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:28:00 -0400 Subject: NIK/HW: forsale Message-ID: Ken, If I'm not too late I'm interested in the Inner City Unit cd. Please e-mail me with response. Thanks. jeffriedle at aol.com (408)-479-3389 Jeff Riedle P.O.Box 2726 Santa Cruz, CA 95063-2726 U.S.A. From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Fri May 31 10:39:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:39:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOCbase? Message-ID: Hello folks, I was wondering if on the web somewhere is sort of a BOCBase, you know sort of a gig list going way back? Just wondering... Chris From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Fri May 31 13:39:44 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:39:44 -0500 Subject: HW: Record Collector (or Uh-Oh NiK vs. Dave again!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 May 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > This month's Record Collector (UK) out today has a three page Hawkwind > feature. Basically Six half-page each interviews with Brock, Turner, > Moorcock, Dettmar, Ollis and DikMik. They are all recent interviews. > Haven't read it through yet, in my hurry to tell you, before this fine > magazine sells out :-)) I'd be particularly interested in a copy/transcription of the Moorcock portion of the interview if anyone could swing that? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri May 31 18:58:07 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 18:58:07 BST Subject: HW: Record Collector (or Uh-Oh NiK vs. Dave again!) In-Reply-To: Allan T Grohe Jr's message of Fri, 31 May 1996 12:39:44 -0500 Message-ID: Allan T Grohe Jr writes: > On Thu, 30 May 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > > > This month's Record Collector (UK) out today has a three page Hawkwind > > feature. Basically Six half-page each interviews with Brock, Turner, > > Moorcock, Dettmar, Ollis and DikMik. They are all recent interviews. > > Haven't read it through yet, in my hurry to tell you, before this fine > > magazine sells out :-)) > > I'd be particularly interested in a copy/transcription of the Moorcock > portion of the interview if anyone could swing that? > I can't even find it yet 8-(( But I'm looking! Anyone know where I might be able to pick up a copy of Festival Eye? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Fri May 31 14:10:35 1996 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:10:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Well Monster Magnet really Message-ID: > OBCD: Monster Magnet - 25.....tab >>> > Duane ( or anybody), > I've seen this one in the shelves, but never been to sure what it is > (early stuff/live stuff what ? theres no info on it all, and it looks real short > ) I think _25....tab_is MM at their best. I was surprised to see a major label put it out, as it's pretty much a prolonged, acid-drenched fuzz-o-rama, in a vein similar to Loop or Sundial. Aside: does anyone else think the Butthole Surfers are a Major Psychedelic Force in the Universe (at least their early/mid era...) ? Chris From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Fri May 31 14:49:06 1996 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:49:06 -0400 Subject: HW: Record Collector (or Uh-Oh NiK vs. Dave again!) In-Reply-To: from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at May 31, 96 12:39:44 pm Message-ID: > > On Thu, 30 May 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > > > This month's Record Collector (UK) out today has a three page Hawkwind > > feature. Basically Six half-page each interviews with Brock, Turner, > > Moorcock, Dettmar, Ollis and DikMik. They are all recent interviews. > > Haven't read it through yet, in my hurry to tell you, before this fine > > magazine sells out :-)) > > I'd be particularly interested in a copy/transcription of the Moorcock > portion of the interview if anyone could swing that? > > Allan. could someone post the pages that the interview(s) were on and the vol/number and month (may or june?)... many thanks! --dave ps--Allan:ILL From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 31 14:52:22 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 19:52:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: B5 books in UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Allan T Grohe Jr writes >Does anyone have any solid opinions on the two books out in the UK? I've >got an importer here in Lawrence who can get them for me, one cheap ($10) >the other not cheap ($32). The two books are: _Babylon 5 A to Z_ and >_Creating Babylon 5_. > >Any input would be appreciated!! > >Allan. > Well, funnily enough I'm sending copies to Canada today. I don't watch the show so I can't give a review but I might be able to improve on the price, If the postage isn't too bad . I'll tell you when I get back from the Post Office. You don't have a spare Hawklords Live CD, do you? :o) -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 31 05:06:23 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:06:23 +0100 Subject: HW Langtree In-Reply-To: <9605301939.aa29984@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9605301939.aa29984 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >There have been no nasty rumours from down south yet about the show >being off. I'll keep in touch tho' since I have no great wish to rush >all the way down to outer Surbiton and have to spend the night there >without seeing Hawkwind. Heck - it's dangerous. Stay there too long >and you metamorphose into a semi-detatched with 2.4 kids and a 10.00 pm >bedtime 8-(( > >jill > >=========================================================================== >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey, I lived in Surbiton for years, I'm only 3 miles from there now and I'll have you know it's as full of squatters, punks and hippies as anywhere except Camden! In fact, before the Council knocked the houses down Here & Now had squatted half the street (Bellevue Rd). There was always half a dozen coaches parked down the street as freaks turned up from all over Europe, just to say Hi! We used to have big softball parties and picnics every weekend with 50 or 60 people turning up regularly for tea in the park. Having said that I seem to have a Mortgage on my semi-detached, two kids and a 10.00 p.m. bedtime so I guess I can't argue the point too much :-) -- Jon Browne From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri May 31 15:19:05 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:19:05 -0400 Subject: HW: Well Monster Magnet really In-Reply-To: <31AEF3FD.5B91@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at May 31, 96 03:28:29 pm Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: > > Stephen Lindsey wrote: > > > > After passing on a trader warnig, Duane said: > > > > OBCD: Monster Magnet - 25.....tab > > > > I've seen this one in the shelves, but never been to sure what it is > > (early stuff/live stuff what ? theres no info on it all, and it looks real short > > I suppose I'm asking if its any good ? [Context love all their other stuff] > > Its excellent. Its only got 4 or 5 tracks but the first one is a nearly > 30 minutes long raga-rock jam. Very different from much of their other > material from the same period (or any). Very far out and highly > recommended. I scarcely listen to it, I prefer their more... err, "focused" work. If you like long psychedelic jams, you'd probably really like _25.....tab_. If anybody would like to buy a copy, I'd be willing to sell mine. Contact me at the address below. Steve swann at panix.com From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri May 31 17:48:59 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:48:59 -0600 Subject: BOC:Goldmine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Skip; Hey, how are you doing? We missed you at the BBQ, but met Doug (Down the Mtn.). It was great. Later... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Fri May 31 18:04:33 1996 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:04:33 -0700 Subject: BOC: BBQ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Speaking of the BBQ, any reviews or comments? What happened down there? -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu O- Phone: (206) 547-6164 On Fri, 31 May 1996, jean l delacour wrote: > Skip; > > Hey, how are you doing? We missed you at the BBQ, but met Doug (Down > the Mtn.). It was great. > > Later... > > Manuel & > > Jean Delacour > University of New Mexico > Parish Library > Alb, NM 87131-1496 > delacour at unm.edu > From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri May 31 23:39:16 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 23:39:16 -0400 Subject: HW: Well Monster Magnet really Message-ID: > >Duene writes: >>Steve, ( or anyone else who wants to know) >> >>It is not a short cd. It is about 63 mins. long, but it only has three >>songs on it. 2 very long ones, and one regular one. > >( ;-) I'm sorry but you are...) Wrong, it's one long and two short. >...and I think the running time is about 45min. Yes, my mistake, it is 48 mins. long to be exact. > >>I am relatively >>new to MM, and so far I have liked all three releases I have heard. >>Does anyone know which release has the song 5 Years Ahead of My Time? >>It doesn't have any info inside about lineups, but there is a date of >>1993 on the outside edge. >> > >I have got 5YAMT on the cds "Dopes to infinity" but theres a couple of=20 >different versions. > Damn, then I got one of the ones without this song. Are there any other songs on the one release that are not on the one I have? Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie