From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Fri Mar 1 01:07:07 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 01:07:07 -0500 Subject: Address for Charles the Grinning Boy Message-ID: Deb: >This is not the Charles the Grinning Boy people are looking for I realize that, Deb. That is why the original post mentioned Charlie Grant in the first paragraph, directly proceding my obviuosly inadequate attempt at humor. This could get tough, every time someone with the Charles moniker chimes in. How do we know which one is grinning? Good luck locating the OTHER "Charles The Grinning Boy"... =) The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Mar 1 01:28:00 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 01:28:00 -0500 Subject: seeing how the other half lives Message-ID: On 29-FEB-1996 22:05:21.5 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >(this is very OFF:) >Kevin Haskel Rubin wrote (on the QS&C single): >> The title track is straight Hawkwind, but the techno stuff isn't at >all > typical. That's remixed by someone else (Astralasia?). >I dunno about Astralasia, but the other name credited for the remix >was Swordfish. They're a techno band from Sydney, Australia, usually >on the Volition label (who do Severed Heads, Itch-e+Scratch-e, etc.; >mostly Sydney techno bands.) They're kinda pulp techno, but (as >techno goes) they're usually better than this.. The "Uncle Sam" >remixes were pretty bad IMHO. >> There's a full >> CD called _Quark Strangeness and Charm_ which is mostly like the >first song , >> and shouldn't be confused with the 4-song one of the same name. >It's good, >> too. >As a HW newbie, my opinion is expressed very _very_ humbly, but I'd >like to say the album QS&C has many _excellent_ tracks which are more >"sensible" than the song QS&C (e.g. "Spirit of the Age"). >-matt (delicately placing foot in mouth) >-- >Matthew Curtis (matt at pcmicro.com.au) #612340583175 And it only features the awesome "Hassan I Sahba", which I think placed around # 3 on the HW song poll. That oughtta say something... "Days Of The Underground" is also a classic. Chuck "Death unto all infidels in oil" `[1;36;46mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Fri Mar 1 03:13:54 1996 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Brand) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 03:13:54 -0500 Subject: Power in the hands of fools In-Reply-To: <16E60866F28@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > > > about any heavy tune. Anyone else out there got any nifty titles that > > > ALMOST made it as BOC song titles? > > > > Well, this story is at least a tangent of the "nifty tiles" > > thread. After ST and before OYFoOYN, I had a dream that the next BOC > > album was going to be called "140 Ways to 39". Heh... When I was in college, during the big gap after "Revolution by Night", the local Discount Den used these flat plastic dividers to separate the bands from each other. To keep track of which albums should be in which section, they taped a form on the front of each divider, listing all the albums. Some joker wrote in an album name under RbN, and even though it sounded very unlike a BOC album, I was so desperate to hear new BOC that I tried for months to order "The Nice People". :) Brand From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Mar 1 05:30:56 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:30:56 +0000 Subject: Address for Charles the Grinning Boy In-Reply-To: <960229130813_434697884@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Feb 1996 DFrost8547 at AOL.COM wrote: > DMitchissy writes: > Charles The Grinning Boy is none other than Charlie Gow > > This is not the Charles the Grinning Boy people are looking for, they want > Charlie Grant, who lives in England. > BTW, Has the person looking for his address found it yet? > Yes, I've got the address now thanks! Dave From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Mar 1 05:37:19 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:37:19 GMT Subject: HW :seeing how the other half lives In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Thu, 29 Feb 1996 13:55:53 GMT Message-ID: > Alien 4 (if you ever get a US release, this years release is a superb return > to form after the unfocused Business of the Future, I think There are some new listeners for which Business of the Future would be a good intro to the band. It once played it after Brian Eno's NerveNet, and those people really liked it. I like it too - it's the best of the recent spate of "ambient" releases from the HW stable. I wouldn't recommend it to BOC fans though. I agree about Alien 4. This is an excellent album. Dave. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Mar 1 06:40:45 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 06:40:45 -0500 Subject: HW :seeing how the other half lives Message-ID: I think I have to point out that whether or not you like _Alien 4_ is very dependent on whether or not you like Ron Tree - I don't want to open that again, but just to say, possibly not a good starting point for that reason. If you're a Lemmy fan, OTOH, (and who isn't? :) then I'd say go for any of the UA albums with Lemmy on, and work your way from there. In fact, I'm shaping up to saying, yes, start with _Space Ritual_, why not! I mean, if you're ever going to like Hawkwind at all, then you'll know it as soon as "Born to Go" gets into a groove... - Andy ObStrangeCDThatIHaven'tQuiteMadeMyMindUpAboutYet: Neil Young - _Dead Man_ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 1 08:06:05 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 08:06:05 -0500 Subject: BOC: Update on "Champions of Rock" Message-ID: I called the dealer last night about this. It's apparently a compilation of readily-available BOC tunes. There's apparently some whole "Champions of Rock" series of CDs - some low budget thing - the guy says that there are "no surprises" on the disc. He's going to hopefully send me a track list, and perhaps I'll include it in a future rev. of the FAQ. John From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 1 08:16:17 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 08:16:17 -0500 Subject: 1st BOC BBQ Message-ID: >>Well, that would be interesting. BOC is rumoured to be planning an >>"on-line" appearance at the barbeque -- it would be a little ironic if >>The Brain Surgeons showed up to actually perform. Hey, if this trend >>continues, maybe BOC can open for the Brain Surgeons in a year or two. > >You mean, for the Brain Surgeons BBQ! :-) > Let's have everyone show up wearing heavily stained lab coats... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 1 08:16:22 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 08:16:22 -0500 Subject: HW :seeing how the other half lives Message-ID: >> Alien 4 (if you ever get a US release, this years release is a superb return >> to form after the unfocused Business of the Future, > >I think There are some new listeners for which Business of the Future would be >a good intro to the band. It once played it after Brian Eno's NerveNet, and >those people really liked it. I like it too - it's the best of the recent >spate of "ambient" releases from the HW stable. I wouldn't recommend it >to BOC fans though. I was primariliy on here as a BOC fan originally, and IITBOTFTBD was my second exposure to Hawkwind, the first being listening to Lord of Light in someone's car on a road trip. While certain parts of it seemed nicely dreamy, in general had this been my first exposure to them I'm not sure I would have followed up on getting more stuff. It's not whether it's "heavy" or not... The next thing I got was Levitation and I absolutely loved that... I think the thing that I was most intrigued from BOTF... were the song titles, whether or not I liked the song, I was always intrigued by the titles... ' +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 1 08:35:45 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:35:45 +0000 Subject: HW :seeing how the other half lives In-Reply-To: <431@comics.demon.co.uk> from "Jon Browne" at Feb 29, 96 01:55:53 pm Message-ID: >Does anyone really think a 20 minute Brainstorm or Born To Go would appeal to a >'90's listener as their first introduction to the band? > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well, it appealed enormously to me when I first heard HW in 1992 at the tender age of 20 :) (Although I must point out that sadly neither Born to Go or Brainstorm are 20 minutes long!). I got someone on the list to send me taped dubbed from LP of _Space Ritual_ and _Live Chronicles_. :) (having joined for BOC, originally) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 1 08:41:46 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:41:46 +0000 Subject: BOTH: Re: 1st BOC BBQ In-Reply-To: <199603011316.IAA28935@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Mar 1, 96 08:16:17 am Message-ID: > >>Well, that would be interesting. BOC is rumoured to be planning an > >>"on-line" appearance at the barbeque -- it would be a little ironic if > >>The Brain Surgeons showed up to actually perform. Hey, if this trend > >>continues, maybe BOC can open for the Brain Surgeons in a year or two. > > > >You mean, for the Brain Surgeons BBQ! :-) > > Let's have everyone show up wearing heavily stained lab coats... Ah! Now we're getting into BOC/HW cross-over territory .... ;) Cheers, Carl From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 1 08:50:29 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:50:29 +0000 Subject: HW :seeing how the other half lives In-Reply-To: <431@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > Does anyone really think a 20 minute Brainstorm or Born To Go would appeal to a > '90's listener as their first introduction to the band? > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Any band who can string a song out for twenty minutes (esp. Brainstorm!) will get a sympathetic hearing from me! JAZZA From christoj at PLK.AF.MIL Fri Mar 1 10:23:56 1996 From: christoj at PLK.AF.MIL (Julian Christou) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 08:23:56 -0700 Subject: OFF: Gong Line-up In-Reply-To: <199603011000.FAA22432@listserv.spc.edu> from "Automatic digest processor" at Mar 1, 96 05:00:00 am Message-ID: I just got a flyer from Phil Hewitt who runs the CAnterbury fanzine - Facelift - The line-up for the upcoming Gong World Tour is: Daevid Allen Gilly Smyth Pip Pyle Mike Howlett Steffi Sharpstrings & Robert Calvert No mention at all of Tim Blake. BTW this is not The Robert Calvert who has returned from the dead but the other from Chrysalis & Mother Gong etc... Julian -- +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ | Dr. Julian Christou | Phone: 505-846-4712 x330 | | PL/LIG, Phillips Lab | FAX: 505-846-2213 | | 3550 Aberdeen SE +-----------------------------+ | Kirtland AFB, NM 87117-5776 | E-mail: christoj at plk.af.mil | +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ " You don't have to be ashamed of using your own ideas" Brian Eno - Oblique Strategies From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Mar 1 10:44:21 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:44:21 EST Subject: OFF: Gong Line-up Message-ID: >BTW this is not The Robert Calvert who >has returned from the dead but the other from Chrysalis & Mother Gong >etc... > >Julian What? Glad to hear Bob's back, even if he's not the guy playing with Gong. You know, I've often thought that Lemmy looks like he returned from the dead once or twice also... ;-) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Mar 1 10:49:13 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:49:13 -0600 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? In-Reply-To: <960229225226_234805685@emout07.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-29 22:01:40 EST, dave wrote: > definitely a great disc, i was only sorry that they did not include any > tracks from the phila. show (that i was out!! :-) Would have been nice, > but i can't complain really... Out of curiousity, at what dates *was* PoF recorded? Damon Capehart | Time to change my .sig again... dcapehar at utdallas.edu | Any suggestions? From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Mar 1 11:25:08 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:25:08 +0000 Subject: HW :seeing how the other half lives In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 01 Mar 1996 10:37:19 GMT." <22214.9603011037@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: > I think There are some new listeners for which Business of the Future would be > a good intro to the band. It once played it after Brian Eno's NerveNet, and > those people really liked it. I like it too - it's the best of the recent > spate of "ambient" releases from the HW stable. I wouldn't recommend it > to BOC fans though. Well speaking as one of those with a foot in both BOC & HW camps, I'd have to say I really rather enjoy ITBOTFTBD, obviously quite a bit more than some of the HWindites here. Sure you have to be in the right frame of mind (relaxed/ apathetic/drunk), but there's some great spacey bits on there. Guess that's not exactly what my BOC taste component would go for... "Don't be a sheep" Tim ObCD: Course of Empire, _Initiation_ From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 1 11:31:19 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:31:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: The 20-minuters Message-ID: >On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > >> Does anyone really think a 20 minute Brainstorm or Born To Go would appeal to a >> '90's listener as their first introduction to the band? >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Any band who can string a song out for twenty minutes (esp. >Brainstorm!) will get a sympathetic hearing from me! Such open-ended statements. I suppose you'll get out your sympathetic hearings for: Pink Floyd - "Echoes", 23.31 minutes Arlo Guthrie - "Alice's Resteraunt", about 20 minutes, M. Python - "I like traffic lights", about 15 minutes before I shot the thing //// (actually, "Echoes" is my favorite Floyd song, so maybe you have something there... they also had "Dogs" and "Atom Heart Mother", both at about 17 m) "Simple... 20 minutes is the average life expectancy of a new pilot!" - Captain Flashheart, in "Blackadder goes forth" +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Mar 1 11:46:29 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:46:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: The 20-minuters In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 01 Mar 1996 11:31:19 EST." <199603011631.LAA01839@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: > >> '90's listener as their first introduction to the band? > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Any band who can string a song out for twenty minutes (esp. > >Brainstorm!) will get a sympathetic hearing from me! > > Such open-ended statements. I suppose you'll get out your > sympathetic hearings for: > > Pink Floyd - "Echoes", 23.31 minutes > Arlo Guthrie - "Alice's Resteraunt", about 20 minutes, > M. Python - "I like traffic lights", about 15 minutes before I shot the thing Have to plug a few of my faves here : - Young Gods "Summer Eyes" - Fates Warning "Ivory Gate of Dreams" - Fleetwood Mac "Rattlesnake Shake" (live) Less helpfully :) - Most tracks on Allman Brothers _The Fillimore Concerts_ or any live stuff from the Grateful Dead - any Orb single Tim wishing Kyuss had done a 20 minute track before they split From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Mar 1 12:06:25 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:06:25 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-29 22:56:14 EST, you write: >also bill stewart was there.weren't you bill? I was there with my wife and a few friends. It was the Hottest day of the summer. 105 degrees F. At the end of the show I was clad only in my bathing suit. Remember the upstairs bartender who was a dead ringer for Basil Fawlty, with an attitude to match. That was without a doubt the shittiest staff I ever encountered at a concert venue. But as I 'recall' a good time was had by all. I also recall PXR5,s gracious offer of lodging for the night, (there was not a hotel room within 60 miles of Philly due to a Jehovah Witness Convention), which I declined. For some ' strange' reason I was not the least bit tired, and drove back home to NY that night. regards, Bill Stewart regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Mar 1 12:12:12 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:12:12 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: ed 96-02-29 22:56:14 EST, you write: >did we step outside with nik,to uh, get tuned up? When the band first arrived that afternoon we were 'tuning up' with the lads when the gracious staff of that shit hole informed us there will be none of that 'tuning up' here. Apparently they do not like 'tuning up' in Philly as much as they do in NY. regards Bill Stewart From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 1 13:19:47 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:19:47 -0500 Subject: BOTH: Re: 1st BOC BBQ Message-ID: >> >>Well, that would be interesting. BOC is rumoured to be planning an >> >>"on-line" appearance at the barbeque -- it would be a little ironic if >> >>The Brain Surgeons showed up to actually perform. Hey, if this trend >> >>continues, maybe BOC can open for the Brain Surgeons in a year or two. >> > >> >You mean, for the Brain Surgeons BBQ! :-) >> >> Let's have everyone show up wearing heavily stained lab coats... > > Ah! Now we're getting into BOC/HW cross-over territory .... ;) What I meant, was, bloodstained, as if just returning from some particularly gruesome operation (like, say, a couple trepanations...). I know that lab coats are considered formal Hawkwind attire, though, but at an event like this that should probably be the limit of crossover territory. I've always had a lab coat that I used for various odd tasks and ends (including going to a few shows here and there)... If you don't have easy access to them, you can usually get them for at or just under $20.00 or so, from Uniform supply companies. The one I got mine from primarily sold rentacop outfits, but also had lab coats... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Mar 1 16:10:39 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:10:39 -0800 Subject: OFF: Gong Line-up Message-ID: You wrote: > >I just got a flyer from Phil Hewitt who runs the CAnterbury fanzine - Facelift - >The line-up for the upcoming Gong World Tour is: > >Daevid Allen >Gilly Smyth >Pip Pyle >Mike Howlett >Steffi Sharpstrings > >& > >Robert Calvert > > The news concerning this tour just keeps getting worse. First we're told no Blake outside of NY, now no Bloomdido. I, for one, consider him damn near essential if they're going to call it the "classic" lineup... I take it they're not even bothering to replace Blake? Wylie From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Mar 1 17:44:08 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:44:08 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? Message-ID: > >In a message dated 96-02-29 22:01:40 EST, dave wrote: >> definitely a great disc, i was only sorry that they did not include any >> tracks from the phila. show (that i was out!! :-) Would have been nice, >> but i can't complain really... > >Out of curiousity, at what dates *was* PoF recorded? > >Damon Capehart | Time to change my .sig again... >dcapehar at utdallas.edu | Any suggestions? > > This is from the foldout. All tracks except 1 and 4 recorded live at the Great American Music Hall, S.F., Ca. Sunday Aug.6, 1995. ( Track one is Dreamworker, 4 is Warriors on the Edge of Time ) Track one: 7/30/95, Fox Theatre, Boulder Co. Track 4 : 7/5/95 at Emo's, Austin, Tx. Hope this helps, Duane -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Fri Mar 1 17:54:54 1996 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:54:54 -0800 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? In-Reply-To: <199603012244.AA22159@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Mar 1, 96 05:44:08 pm Message-ID: > All tracks except 1 and 4 recorded live at the Great American Music Hall, > S.F., Ca. > Sunday Aug.6, 1995. ( Track one is Dreamworker, 4 is Warriors on the Edge of > Time ) > Track one: 7/30/95, Fox Theatre, Boulder Co. > Track 4 : 7/5/95 at Emo's, Austin, Tx. As a note, Track 4, Warriors on teh Edge of Time has Michael Moorcock on vocals . -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome "Experience is something you don't get until after you need it." -Olivier From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Mar 1 17:56:14 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:56:14 EST Subject: NIK: Past or Future? Message-ID: >>Out of curiousity, at what dates *was* PoF recorded? > All tracks except 1 and 4 recorded live at the Great American >Music Hall, S.F., Ca. Sunday Aug.6, 1995. ( Track one is >Dreamworker, 4 is Warriors on the Edge of Time ) > >Track one: 7/30/95, Fox Theatre, Boulder Co. >Track 4 : 7/5/95 at Emo's, Austin, Tx. So, Track 4 "Warriors..." contains Mike Moorcock doing the poem, right? Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com (who is currently awaiting the imminent arrival of his own copy) From stayer at PI.NET Fri Mar 1 14:34:44 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:34:44 PST Subject: BOC: Ripper demo Message-ID: >waiting list for the game. My girlfriend bought it for me for >my birthday. I'll post a review when I get it. I appreciate it. Thanks, Jerry From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Fri Mar 1 20:21:59 1996 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:21:59 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? In-Reply-To: <9603011756.A13868@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Mar 1, 96 05:56:14 pm Message-ID: > >Track one: 7/30/95, Fox Theatre, Boulder Co. > >Track 4 : 7/5/95 at Emo's, Austin, Tx. > > So, Track 4 "Warriors..." contains Mike Moorcock doing the poem, > right? > yes! does anybody know if this was the only song (poem) that he did with nik that night? --dave From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Sat Mar 2 00:02:06 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 00:02:06 -0500 Subject: BOC: BOC / Doors connection Message-ID: Jerry: >Do you know which parts Krieger did on Imaginos? On your copy he only plays the lead guitar on Blue Oyste Cult. On my version he also plays lead on Magna, Presence and Girl That Love Made Blind. Al From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sat Mar 2 01:32:45 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 00:32:45 -0600 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? In-Reply-To: <199603020122.UAA24082@pobox.upenn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Mar 1996, dave cohen wrote: > > So, Track 4 "Warriors..." contains Mike Moorcock doing the poem, > > right? > yes! > > does anybody know if this was the only song (poem) that he did with nik > that night? > --dave Yes. I talked with Mike Coleman, who was at the concert, and he said that Moorcock came on stage just for that. Damon Capehart | The Society of Physics Students at UTD dcapehar at utdallas.edu | (yes, even though I'm actually a math major) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 2 07:43:32 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 12:43:32 +0000 Subject: BOTH: Re: 1st BOC BBQ In-Reply-To: <199603011819.NAA06200@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Mar 1, 96 01:19:47 pm Message-ID: > >> Let's have everyone show up wearing heavily stained lab coats... > > > > Ah! Now we're getting into BOC/HW cross-over territory .... ;) > > What I meant, was, bloodstained, as if just returning from some particularly > gruesome operation (like, say, a couple trepanations...). I know that lab > coats are considered formal Hawkwind attire, though, but at an event like > this that should probably be the limit of crossover territory. I realize that, though I can't help pointing out that blood-stained lab coats are well known to Hawkfans ... :) Cheers, Carl ObOldBOC-LRef: thank the gods no one has mentioned furry silver boots! ;) From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Mar 2 08:09:49 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 14:09:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Live in Germany (July '96) Message-ID: Hi folks Just the short information that HAWKWIND will appear on a festival (19 - 21 July 1996) near the town BAD HERSFELD in Germany I will be there!! Bernhard From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 2 08:34:32 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 13:34:32 +0000 Subject: OFF: The 20-minuters In-Reply-To: <199603011631.LAA01839@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Mar 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > Any band who can string a song out for twenty minutes (esp. > >Brainstorm!) will get a sympathetic hearing from me! > > Such open-ended statements. I suppose you'll get out your > sympathetic hearings for: > > Pink Floyd - "Echoes", 23.31 minutes > Arlo Guthrie - "Alice's Resteraunt", about 20 minutes, > M. Python - "I like traffic lights", about 15 minutes before I shot the thing > > > //// (actually, "Echoes" is my favorite Floyd song, so maybe you have something there... they also had "Dogs" and "Atom Heart Mother", both at about 17 m) Alice's Restaurant is brilliant! Not quite in the same way as Echoes, but still. `I like traffic lights', on the other hand: well, best not to talk about it really. Even Python had bad patches... just like my music taste, some might say, but I remain adamant: it's not much on music, but everyone ought to hear `Alice's Restaurant' at least once. This has been a proclamation by Jazza... /----------------------------------------------------------\ | "So, Penfold, what did you think of Popacatepetl?" | | "Er, not yet chief, but I will as soon as we | | get to the kitchen." | |==========================================================| |Jonathan Jarrett ( History ) | Ext. Tel. 01223 460728 | | ( Pembroke College, | Int. Tel. 39082 | | Cambridge CB2 1RF ) or | E-MAIL: | | 2 Selwyn Gardens (7), | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | Cambridge CB2 1NG. | | \__________________________________________________________/ From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Mar 2 13:27:09 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 13:27:09 -0500 Subject: BOTH: Re: 1st BOC BBQ Message-ID: >> >> Let's have everyone show up wearing heavily stained lab coats... >> > >> > Ah! Now we're getting into BOC/HW cross-over territory .... ;) >> >> What I meant, was, bloodstained, as if just returning from some particularly >> gruesome operation (like, say, a couple trepanations...). I know that lab >> coats are considered formal Hawkwind attire, though, but at an event like >> this that should probably be the limit of crossover territory. > > I realize that, though I can't help pointing out that blood-stained >lab coats are well known to Hawkfans ... :) > Say... that gives me an idea.... we're always seeing net-T-shirts, tour t-shirts, and the like for bands we like.... what would it take to get a custom net lab coat made? +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sat Mar 2 15:42:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:42:00 -0500 Subject: Bootleg CD Message-ID: Timeless Paeans from the ongoing Rituals of Space-Private Issue bootleg CD. Brainstorm Paranoia Down thru the night You SHouldn't do that Urban Guerilla You know you're only dreaming Born to Go 10 Seconds of Forever Seven by Seven Time we left Master of the Universe Be Yourself Sonic Attack Silver Machine Welcome to the FUture 73 minutes long CD-r. This is strickly non-profit. The cost is $23 plus $2 for shipping. Kevin Sommers 75 Crouch St:#12 Groton, CT 06340-3757 860-446-0093 Just got this flyer in the mail today! Scott ObCassette: Darxtar- Sju (thanks Henrik) Nikwind- Limelight, NYC 7/16/95 From stayer at PI.NET Sat Mar 2 03:15:50 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 00:15:50 PST Subject: OFF: power & fools Message-ID: >> > > about any heavy tune. Anyone else out there got any nifty titles that >> > > ALMOST made it as BOC song titles? >Some joker wrote in an album name under RbN, and even though it sounded >very unlike a BOC album, I was so desperate to hear new BOC that I tried >for months to order "The Nice People". :) Not about BOC, so 'OFF' in the subject. But it's about titles & fools... I was a fan of Kiss' music around 1981. The fan club I subscribed to, organised a contest. You had to make a sketch of how you would think the cover of the next album was going to look like. To make it a bit easier, they said the title was going to be 'Curtains of the Night' instead of 'Creatures of the Night'. I seem to remember no one won any prize... Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sat Mar 2 03:30:51 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 00:30:51 PST Subject: OFF: The 20-minuters Message-ID: >> Any band who can string a song out for twenty minutes (esp. >>Brainstorm!) will get a sympathetic hearing from me! >Such open-ended statements. I suppose you'll get out your >sympathetic hearings for: >Pink Floyd - "Echoes", 23.31 minutes >Arlo Guthrie - "Alice's Resteraunt", about 20 minutes, >M. Python - "I like traffic lights", about 15 minutes before I shot the thing Doors - The Celebration of the Lizard (19 min) Dragonfly - Dragonfly (19 min) Dragonfly - The Riddle Princess (18 min) Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons 1993 version (20 min) Earth and Fire - Song of the Marching Children (18 min) Eloy - Power and the Passion (42 min) Boudewijn De Groot - Heksensabbat (24 min) IQ - The Enemy Smacks (17 min) IQ - The Last Human Gateway (22 min) Mandalaband - Om Mani Padme Hum (19 min) Men of Lake - Looking For the Sun (20 min) Nektar - Journey To the Centre of the Eye (42 min) Nektar - A Tab In the Ocean (18 min) Nektar - Remember the Future (38 min) Nektar - Recycled (37 min) Pallas - The Ripper (15 min) Rush - The Fountain of Lamneth (20 min) Rush - 2112 (20 min) Rush - Cygnus X-2 Book II (Hemispheres) (19 min) Saga - Generation 13 (68 min) Twelfth Night - Sequences (17 - 21 min) Twelfth Night - The Collector (19 min) And these really all belong to my favourite songs. BTW, none of these (except maybe the Doors' song) is this long by extending the original version on stage. >"Simple... 20 minutes is the average life expectancy of a new pilot!" > - Captain Flashheart, in "Blackadder goes forth" Ah, Blackadder fans! :-) Jerry "Oh, it's a scythe!" - Blackadder about a "blunt instrument" by which some of his elementary parts are going to be cut off. From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Sat Mar 2 19:30:23 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 19:30:23 -0500 Subject: BOC: 3 Imaginos Questions: Who played what when?! Message-ID: Hi, In a recent message, Al mentioned that Robbie Krieger played only the solo on Blue Oyster Cult. Anyone want to venture a guess at what solos / parts the rest of the guitar chorus of Imaginos played? Any ideas about Satriani? Also, anyone have any idea when Joe Bouchard was involved? Was it during the Eric and Buck part of the project, or during Al's part, and what did he do on the album. How about Allen? Finally, Bolle's lyric book has the line in Magna "Stories on land, Storms at Sea....". I always heard it as Storms on Land, Storms at Sea. Anyone know which is right? Rich, the Imaginos Inquisitor From LOTBass at AOL.COM Sun Mar 3 11:01:07 1996 From: LOTBass at AOL.COM (Mark Mitchum) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:01:07 -0500 Subject: BOC: Houston show next Tuesday - anyone going Message-ID: I just moved to Houston 3 months ago & haven't found anyone here interested in going to the concert. Anybody from the list going that I can tag along with? LOTBass at aol.com or markmitchum at bangate.compaq.com From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Mar 3 11:23:05 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:23:05 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-03-01 10:51:54 EST, you write: >Out of curiousity, at what dates *was* PoF recorded? > > it is from the dallas show, from which tapers were asked not to trade,by cleo, until this disc was released.that show was late june i think,and was moorcock's only appearance. rj From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Mar 3 11:23:06 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:23:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: The 20-minuters Message-ID: don't forget nektar's remember the future! (alan davey's all-time favorite album, btw) rj From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sun Mar 3 14:42:11 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 13:42:11 -0600 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? In-Reply-To: <960303112303_436848959@mail04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Mar 1996 RJPXR5 at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 96-03-01 10:51:54 EST, you write: > >Out of curiousity, at what dates *was* PoF recorded? > it is from the dallas show, from which tapers were asked not to trade,by > cleo, until this disc was released.that show was late june i think,and was > moorcock's only appearance. Funny... I was there and there was no Moorcock. :) Actually, as another person pointed out, the Moorcock track is from the Austin show, the one at which Moorcock showed up. Damon Capehart | The Society of Physics Students at UTD dcapehar at utdallas.edu | (yes, even though I'm actually a math major) -- Call the Physics Friends Hotline. -- -- Find out about your special density! -- From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Mar 3 16:56:06 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:56:06 +1100 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Down Under Gig Message-ID: Gidday All! Monster Magnet played Melbourne on Friday night, dutifully attended by Matt, Marty & yours truly. Matt and I decided to start the night in true fan-boy adulation mode, and stood in queue to get our Cd's signed at Greville Records (small but fairly cool indy/alternative record store in the trendy part of town). As Matt pointed out on the night, it was a bit like a production line, but at least "Dave got the cool spot" sitting on the steps! Anyway, had a (very) brief chat with Dave Wyndorf, but I obviously didn't ask if it was OK to get a tape thrown in the mixing board nicely enough :( btw Scott - He thought the 73 NYC HW tape was particularly cool coz he was there! Next stop ... the Sherlock Holmes pub, so we could have a few barely british beers while waiting for Marty. A few half pints later (I was driving), and we where off to "Dark Zone" to introduce Marty to the delights of zapping people with Lasers, b4 heading to the Palace for the gig about 11:30. We caught the last 30 minutes of Tumbleweed, and MM came on about 12:30 (four bands that night). The surprisingly large crowd (couple of thousand) seemed to enjoy the band pretty much, but I was sadly not with it too much thanks to some damn virus or other. I spent the second half of the gig sitting on the floor with my head spinning .... which wasn't a problem for the others doing the same .... but they'd obviously paid for the priviledge ;^) Anyway, on to what I recall of the gig: The main set was only about 50 minutes ... the encore another 20 or so. The set was about 60% from _DtI_, and 40% from _Superjudge_. No keybooards, but they used sequencers in a few places. It was great, if a little heavier (and not as hi-tech) than I expected. Apparently in a radio interview earlier that day (so Matt tells me), Dave said that they don't do the spacier stuff unlesss it's the right crowd ... so I suppose the style makes sense. They had a screen up behind the band where they projected images, and apart from the use of strobes in certain bits, not much of a light show. During _Cage around the Sun_ they had a heap of smoke, and Dave was shining a bright spotlight through the fog at the audience ... that looked pretty neat. They also had the better images on the screen during this section of the gig. The mix was pretty top notch, with all the vocals and various instruments coming through clearly. Even with the abscence of any keyboards and such, the set was pretty much faithful to the studio versions. There was some great guitar work ... especially the some of the lead breaks. I was too out of it to be more specific 'track by track', but overall it was a pretty good gig, which possibly would have been better with a bit more electronics, and a little less crowd surfing in the audience! And they *should* have done Brainstorm ...... Oh yeah - I picked up a "Limited Australian Tour" copy of _DtI_ which has a bonus 5-track live EP. Tracks are: Intro/Snake Dance (no ... not the HW one)/Twin Earth/Nod Scene/Evil. All short pieces (15 min total), but great quality. It was recorded at "The Rock" in Tuscon Arizona in 95. Cheers (that's for Matt) Paul/Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Mar 3 16:56:06 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:56:06 +1100 Subject: HW: More Stop Press Message-ID: EMI Re-issues released on March 25! Bonus tracks are: Hawkwind: Bring it in Home, HW Zoo version of Hurry on Sundown, Kiss of the Velvet Whip, Cymbaline X In Search of Space: Silver Machine, Seven by Seven, Born to Go Doremi Fasol Latido: Urban Guerilla, Brainbox Pollution, Lord of Light, Ejection Hall of the Mountain Grill: PAradox, You'd better Believe it, Psychedelic Warlords, It's so Easy Space Ritual Alive: ?? Notes says with extra tracks and extra info! Paul/Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Mar 3 16:56:06 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:56:06 +1100 Subject: HW: Stop Press Message-ID: Here are the dates for the pending HW releases: April 1: EBSCD 119 _Emergency Broadcast System Samples_. 13 tracks from EBSSCD 111 through EBSSCD 122, includes a track from HW F&R _SpaceHead_ & 12pg colour booklet. 13 tracks at EP price April 22: EBCD 106 _Love in Space_ EP (Digipak) April 22: EBT 120 _Love in Space_ EP (12" Vinyl) May 7: EBSSCD 120/EBSLP 120 _Love in Space_ Double LP. Complete show of Alien tour. Gatefold vinyl and 6-page fold out digipack. Both with 16 pg booklet May 28: EBSCD 121 _..... Of Stars and Time_ Spacehead debut June 17: EBSSCD 117/EBSLP 117 _Ritual of the Solstice_. Re-mix album incl. Utah Saints, Banco de Gaia, Senser, Advent, Optic Eye, Salt Tank, Astralasia and others July 8: EBSSCD 122 _Captured Rotation_ Alan Davey -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Mar 3 17:06:06 1996 From: matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Matt Curtis) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:06:06 +1100 Subject: OFF: The 20-minuters Message-ID: > > Such open-ended statements. I suppose you'll get out your > > sympathetic hearings for: > > > > Pink Floyd - "Echoes", 23.31 minutes > > Arlo Guthrie - "Alice's Resteraunt", about 20 minutes, > > M. Python - "I like traffic lights", about 15 minutes before I shot the thing While we're OFF:, the first track on Monster Magnet's "25...tab" called "Tab..." goes for 32:14. And Juno Reactor (vague Orb cousins) "Luciana" goes for 61:20. Great to chill to, but annoying for cd players: you keep having to start from the beginning every time you get interrupted. -matt (for the record, I _do_ want to post something on topic, but just don't seem to be able to..) -- matt at pcmicro.com.au, citizen #61385872341 (R) IMPENDING DOOM HAS ARRIVED page 1 of 1 pages From matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Mar 3 17:06:06 1996 From: matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Matt Curtis) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:06:06 +1100 Subject: HW :seeing how the other half lives Message-ID: > On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > > > Does anyone really think a 20 minute Brainstorm or Born To Go would appeal to a > > '90's listener as their first introduction to the band? > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Any band who can string a song out for twenty minutes (esp. > Brainstorm!) will get a sympathetic hearing from me! I started with the 10 or 12 minute "Orgone Accumulator".. I know it's not 20, but it's up there.. -matt -- matt at pcmicro.com.au, citizen #61385872341 (R) IMPENDING DOOM HAS ARRIVED page 1 of 1 pages From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 3 17:34:58 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 22:34:58 +0000 Subject: HW :seeing how the other half lives In-Reply-To: <199603032204.JAA10807@burwood.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, Matt Curtis wrote: > I started with the 10 or 12 minute "Orgone Accumulator".. I know it's not 20, > but it's up there.. Well, I heard Orgone Accumulator for the first time today (thanks Carl!) and it's really rather good, isn't it? Um.. whoa! Jazza From matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Mar 3 19:04:40 1996 From: matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Matt Curtis) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:04:40 +1100 Subject: HW: Orgone Accumulator/covers Message-ID: On 3 Mar 96 at 22:34, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > I started with the 10 or 12 minute "Orgone Accumulator".. I know it's not 20, > > but it's up there.. > > Well, I heard Orgone Accumulator for the first time today (thanks > Carl!) and it's really rather good, isn't it? Um.. whoa! Yeah, it's awesome! Actually, I originally heard a cover of it by Pop Will Eat Itself, it only goes for 3 or 4 minutes but has a cool/cheesy (I think cheesy can be cool!) organ playing the guitar chords. It's a lot cleaner, but without the HW jamming through it. Maybe it'd be close to how HW would do a studio version. -matt (I'll see you some time later..) -- matt at pcmicro.com.au, citizen #61385872341 (R) IMPENDING DOOM HAS ARRIVED page 1 of 1 pages From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Mar 3 20:54:28 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:54:28 +1100 Subject: HW: Live in Germany (July '96) Message-ID: On 2 Mar 96 Bernhard Pospiech wrote about HW: Live in Germany (July '96): > Just the short information that HAWKWIND will appear on a festival > (19 - 21 July 1996) near the town BAD HERSFELD in Germany > > I will be there!! With recording device I hope! -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Mar 3 20:58:13 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:58:13 +1100 Subject: OFF: The 20-minuters Message-ID: On 2 Mar 96 Jerry wrote about Re: OFF: The 20-minuters: > Eloy - Power and the Passion (42 min) You can't count that one really .... it's multiple tracks in one big long seque ... Though I'd include 'Atlantis Agony at (some date or other) Gregorian Earthtime' -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From hje at ORA.DE Mon Mar 4 04:06:33 1996 From: hje at ORA.DE (Hans-Joerg Ehren) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:06:33 +0100 Subject: BOC: "Champions of Rock" = "Cult Classics" Message-ID: Hi gang, >Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 08:06:05 -0500 >From: John A Swartz >Subject: BOC: Update on "Champions of Rock" ["Champions of Rock" apparently a compilation of readily-available BOC tunes, some low budget thing, "no surprises"] I spotted the disc at my local record dealer. The tracklist is exactly the same as on "Cult Classics". The idea that it's identical with CC is supportted by some cover notes, saying that it's digitally re-recorded material. There was no opportunity to check it by listening. [As I've already got CC I did not buy it.] It's a Dutch label, which I can not remember exactly (something like "Disky"). The cover shows a photo of the band (IMO less impressive than that one on the back of "Mirrors", but quite newer). It's low budget, less than 10 $. Hans-Joerg From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Mon Mar 4 05:17:52 1996 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:17:52 +0000 Subject: OFF: The 20-minuters Message-ID: >>> Any band who can string a song out for twenty minutes (esp. >>>Brainstorm!) will get a sympathetic hearing from me! > >>Such open-ended statements. I suppose you'll get out your >>sympathetic hearings for: >>Pink Floyd - "Echoes", 23.31 minutes >>Arlo Guthrie - "Alice's Resteraunt", about 20 minutes, >>M. Python - "I like traffic lights", about 15 minutes before I shot the >thing > Focus-Moving Waves 1 side of an LP not sure of the length, but then its shite anyway. Judas Priest-Winter Suite not sure again, its off the first album (Rocka Rolla) I I I ---- 0 ---- I - I -- From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Mar 4 05:32:34 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:32:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: The 20-minuters In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 04 Mar 1996 10:17:52 GMT." <199603041021.FAA06218@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: > Focus-Moving Waves 1 side of an LP not sure of the length, but then its > shite anyway. > Judas Priest-Winter Suite not sure again, its off the first album (Rocka Rolla) Err, Winter Suite only clocks in at about 9 minutes, although the awesome feedback-laden bridge of Deep Freeze might make it seem more. :-) But this is getting hugely off topic so I better shut up now. Tim From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 4 07:47:16 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:47:16 +0000 Subject: BOTH: Re: 1st BOC BBQ In-Reply-To: <199603021827.NAA07780@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Mar 2, 96 01:27:09 pm Message-ID: > Say... that gives me an idea.... we're always seeing net-T-shirts, tour > t-shirts, > and the like for bands we like.... what would it take to get a custom net > lab coat made? Well, knowing this list, probably about 10 years and the organizational powers of an entire alien species .... ;) ;) ;) Cheers, Carl From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Mar 4 07:51:25 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 07:51:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: The 20-minuters Message-ID: >On 2 Mar 96 Jerry wrote about Re: OFF: The 20-minuters: > >> Eloy - Power and the Passion (42 min) > >You can't count that one really .... it's multiple tracks in one big >long seque ... Though I'd include 'Atlantis Agony at (some date or >other) Gregorian Earthtime' So was Rush's "2112", also on that list. There's a fine line there somewhere. Some long multi-part songs are thought of clearly as one song identifiable by transitions, or even perhaps by who wrote one section. Pink Floyd's "Shine on You Crazy Diamond" is a perfect example, it id divided into parts I through IX, each with different songwriting credits. But it is generally regarded as one song (or two)... 2112, on the other hand, has clear "subtitles" for each section. I suppose they might split the credits up by section except 95% of rush songs say "Lee/Lifeson/Peart" so there's not much to single out... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 4 08:01:35 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:01:35 +0000 Subject: HW: More Stop Press In-Reply-To: <199603040903.JAA20104@aardvark.apana.org.au> from "Assassin Sonique" at Mar 4, 96 08:56:06 am Message-ID: > EMI Re-issues released on March 25! May the gods defend my wallet! > Bonus tracks are: > Hawkwind: Bring it in Home, HW Zoo version of Hurry on Sundown, Kiss > of the Velvet Whip, Cymbaline Nothing particularly new here, except Cymbaline which I don't recognize (the Floyd song?). I wonder whether all this stuff is remastered--does anyone actually _have_ the original tapes of "Bring it On Home"? :) > X In Search of Space: Silver Machine, Seven by Seven, Born to Go As seen on Stasis, I assume. Will remastering clean up the sound on "SM" at all? > Doremi Fasol Latido: Urban Guerilla, Brainbox Pollution, Lord of > Light, Ejection As seen on various compilations, I would assume. > Hall of the Mountain Grill: PAradox, You'd better Believe it, > Psychedelic Warlords, It's so Easy Now this is interesting. "It's so Easy" is presumably the same as it is elsewhere, but are the others (additional) live versions? Weren't "Paradox" and "You'd Better Believe It" live to start with? > Space Ritual Alive: ?? Notes says with extra tracks and extra info! Presumably they will put "You Shouldn't Do That" on here. Hopefully they would use the IMHO crappy sounding Roadhawks version--this is one place were the _Acid Daze_/_Anthology_ version of the track is much better. The AD/Anth version is a bit rawer sounding, but is much less muddy and the instrument balance is better than on the Roadhawks version. And the Silver Machine _encore_ perhaps? It'd be nice if they included the full versions of the tracks which were shortened on the original, but that's probably too much to hope for ... Cheers, Carl > Paul/Sonique > > -- > Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long > R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may > mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they > http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 4 08:10:08 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:10:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Stop Press In-Reply-To: <199603040902.JAA20101@aardvark.apana.org.au> from "Assassin Sonique" at Mar 4, 96 08:56:06 am Message-ID: > April 1: EBSCD 119 _Emergency Broadcast System Samples_. 13 tracks > from EBSSCD 111 through EBSSCD 122, includes a track from HW > F&R _SpaceHead_ & 12pg colour booklet. 13 tracks at EP price What the hell's this? Compilation of HW stuff or other EBS stuff? Well, at least they didn't call it _Masters of the Universe_ ... > April 22: EBCD 106 _Love in Space_ EP (Digipak) > April 22: EBT 120 _Love in Space_ EP (12" Vinyl) > > May 7: EBSSCD 120/EBSLP 120 _Love in Space_ Double LP. Complete show of Alien > tour. Gatefold vinyl and 6-page fold out digipack. Both with 16 pg > booklet Ah! And are they pulling their usual shit of sticking some pointless instrumental on the vinyl to force collectors to go spend ridiculous sums to get the complete deal? Still, I'm not one of the anti-Ron faction, but even so if they include "Lord of Light" on this it'll be worthwhile. And perhaps a cool live version of Sputnik without the silly vocals. > May 28: EBSCD 121 _..... Of Stars and Time_ Spacehead debut And what are "Spacehead"? Some random band? Knowing comtemporary Hawkwind tendancies I hope these guys aren't another useless techno-outfit ... > June 17: EBSSCD 117/EBSLP 117 _Ritual of the Solstice_. Re-mix album > incl. Utah Saints, Banco de Gaia, Senser, Advent, Optic Eye, Salt > Tank, Astralasia and others ... and speaking of useless techno-outfits ;) Well, there've been one or two decent tracks among the previous remixes ... > July 8: EBSSCD 122 _Captured Rotation_ Alan Davey Ah! So he's releasing it on EBS after all! He'd said back in October that he wasn't ... The sinister Hand of Smith? Cheers, Carl From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 4 08:18:52 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:18:52 GMT Subject: HW: Stop Press In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:10:08 +0000 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > May 28: EBSCD 121 _..... Of Stars and Time_ Spacehead debut > > And what are "Spacehead"? Some random band? Knowing comtemporary > Hawkwind tendancies I hope these guys aren't another useless techno-outfit ... They're not. They're bloody good in fact. I sent in their cover of "Where Are They Now" to the covers project. Hey, what's happening on the covers project anyway? FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 4 07:48:52 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:48:52 +0000 Subject: Bootleg CD In-Reply-To: <01I1VA4PV5DY1QJJ8K@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> from "Scott Heller" at Mar 2, 96 03:42:00 pm Message-ID: > Timeless Paeans from the ongoing Rituals of Space-Private Issue > bootleg CD. > Brainstorm > Paranoia > Down thru the night > You SHouldn't do that > Urban Guerilla > You know you're only dreaming > Born to Go > 10 Seconds of Forever > Seven by Seven > Time we left > Master of the Universe > Be Yourself > Sonic Attack > Silver Machine > Welcome to the FUture > 73 minutes long CD-r. This is strickly non-profit. The cost is $23 > plus $2 for shipping. Does anyone know the dates/recording details on this? Is this from the same guy who did Nova Drive? The the Nova Drive CD-R type was not the best quality media, so hopefully this would be the good stuff ... Cheers, Carl From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Mar 4 08:53:46 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:53:46 -0500 Subject: HW: More Stop Press In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Mar 4, 96 01:01:35 pm Message-ID: Carl et al. sputtered these electrons on my screen... > > > EMI Re-issues released on March 25! > > May the gods defend my wallet! > > > Bonus tracks are: > > Hawkwind: Bring it in Home, HW Zoo version of Hurry on Sundown, Kiss > > of the Velvet Whip, Cymbaline > > Nothing particularly new here, except Cymbaline which I don't > recognize (the Floyd song?). I wonder whether all this stuff is > remastered--does anyone actually _have_ the original tapes of "Bring it > On Home"? :) > I hope that it is the Floyd track of the same name! But most of us probably have all of this (except Cymbaline, natch...) already. > CHOMP! > > Hall of the Mountain Grill: PAradox, You'd better Believe it, > > Psychedelic Warlords, It's so Easy > > Now this is interesting. "It's so Easy" is presumably the same > as it is elsewhere, but are the others (additional) live versions? Weren't > "Paradox" and "You'd Better Believe It" live to start with? > You are correct, those were two live tracks amongst all the studio works. I suspect that we are going to get the single version of PW ala STASIS. > > Space Ritual Alive: ?? Notes says with extra tracks and extra info! > I just hope that they do a better job of ending the CD than the first effort. Don't putz around with "Electronic No. 1"!! And the full length versions would be great, but then this will be a different animal for those who view it as a classic. Hopefully, it will make it that much more of a classic! > > Cheers, > Carl > > > Paul/Sonique > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Mar 4 08:57:50 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:57:50 GMT Subject: HW: Covers project In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:18:52 GMT Message-ID: > Hey, what's happening on the covers project anyway? > > FoFP I'm having problems getting mail to Allan. Here's the message that I sent by direct e-mail on Jan 27th, and via the list on Feb 26th: > From daveb Sat Jan 27 14:44:49 1996 > > Hi Allan, > > Scott's tape arrived, thanks. I time the first three tracks at ~16 minutes, > and the MuloWind stuff at ~20 minutes. I guess the easiest thing to do > is to put the Alien Sex Fiend and the first three tracks of this tape onto > one side of a C60, and use the MuloWind as a filler for the other side. > Does that sound OK? Alternatively we could move one of the pieces from > Tape 3 onto this tape so that tape 3 will definitely fit on a C90 instead > of a C100. That would leave tape 1 as the only C100. > > Dave. > From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Mar 4 09:00:00 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:00:00 GMT Subject: HW: More Stop Press In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:01:35 +0000 Message-ID: I'm not so much interested in the bonus tracks as in the quality of the remixes. How much can they improve the mix of The Space Ritual anyway, given that it depends on the original live tapes? Dave. From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Mon Mar 4 14:09:24 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:09:24 U Subject: HW: Dumpy's Rusty Nuts / Engine? Message-ID: >Carl, >do not under any circumstances miss this. A truly fine and outstanding >example of English culture. - Shakespeare, Wordsworth, Dumpys a >wonderful lineage. >> > >> > Dumpy's Rusty Nuts are playing the Boat Race on 22nd March. See you there. >> >> >PS You'll probably enjoy it even more if you get really, really pissed first. Absolutely true. First time I saw Dumpy would have been 1985(6?) at Huddersfield Poly, and due to massive intake of Timothy Taylor's Landlord (The best beer in the world, ever, for all our American friends), got dragged up on stage and had lager sprayed up my bottom. Never quite forgiven the Dumpster for that one!!! Anyone know anything about forthcoming Engine gigs? Cheers, Rich. ** this. is. not. a. fish? ** From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Mon Mar 4 10:10:04 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:10:04 -0600 Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD In-Reply-To: <960229105740_434607264@emout07.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Feb 1996 DFrost8547 at AOL.COM wrote: > I agree with Paul. This kind of junk mailing is really annoying. It > trivializes the issue, rather than having the opposite effect. It doesn't > necessarily reflect the real thoughts or emotions of any given citizen, only > the pushing of a button. Like the other kinds of mass produced junk mail I > get from other sectors, this is what's going to destroy the internet as you > know it, not preserve it. Really, who's are you kidding? > DF > the free internet is dying- at least for us here in the U.S. unless we finally reach the apex of our nationalist idiology and demand the right to be members of the world- our damn government is gonna let us get left behind while the rest of the world moves ahead - all this censorship is patetic - if you don't want your kids to have cybersex with some congressman than don't buy them a computer!!! i don't need big brother to decide this for me - i hate that the most marvelous thing to evolve in the last 20 years is getting squashed by a buch of old farts!! btw who are you kidding -do you think the president really reads his mail- hell no!!! it is first read by one flunky and put in the proper box -instant reply (thanks for your concern, etc..) or moved on up to the next flunky /analist etc.. -just look to the subgenius for guidance... -mike psyche From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Mar 4 10:39:09 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:39:09 -0500 Subject: HW: More Stop Press In-Reply-To: <26587.9603041400@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Mar 4, 96 02:00:00 pm Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > > I'm not so much interested in the bonus tracks as in the quality of the > remixes. How much can they improve the mix of The Space Ritual anyway, > given that it depends on the original live tapes? More the question is "How well can they improve on their first effort at analog-to-digital conversion?". My experience with other re-masters is that taking the trouble to do it right makes a HUGE difference. Steve From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Mar 4 11:02:47 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:02:47 -0500 Subject: BOC: 3 Imaginos Questions: Who played what when?! Message-ID: Both Allen and Joe were brought in by Albert when the original tracks were done. For Imaginos questions, please consultJohn Swartz and the FAQ he has fastidiously edited and continuously updated. These questions have been answered repeatedly. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Mar 4 11:02:56 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:02:56 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Magna Carta Records Message-ID: Anyone here familiar with this "label" (boot makers?)? There's no listing for it in the NYC business directory. --------------------- Forwarded message: From: tdillof at LAWMAIL.LAW.COLUMBIA.EDU (Tony Dillof) Sender: ROCKLIST at KENTVM.KENT.EDU (Academic Discussion of Popular Music) Reply-to: ROCKLIST at KENTVM.KENT.EDU (Academic Discussion of Popular Music) To: ROCKLIST at KENTVM.KENT.EDU (Multiple recipients of list ROCKLIST) Date: 96-03-03 03:20:24 EST They're not listed in the NYC phonebook. Sonically, -- Tony From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Mon Mar 4 10:57:15 1996 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:57:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Stop Press -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > June 17: EBSSCD 117/EBSLP 117 _Ritual of the Solstice_. Re-mix album > incl. Utah Saints, Banco de Gaia, Senser, Advent, Optic Eye, Salt > Tank, Astralasia and others ... and speaking of useless techno-outfits ;) Well, there've been one or two decent tracks among the previous remixes ... <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< well, we know what astralasia can do w/hw stuff; Optic eye are a pretty shit hot bunch (deeep ambient-tinged techno), certainly in the rifght spatial groove, salt tank i've heard are pretty good, Banco worldy planet dog type stuff - and not half bad pop-pickers, advent dunno. So *some* of it should be purdy grood. U.S's and Senser? i'll let the reverend make is mind mind up.... From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Mar 4 11:22:03 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:22:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Live in Germany (July '96) Message-ID: Hello >> Just the short information that HAWKWIND will appear on a festival >> (19 - 21 July 1996) near the town BAD HERSFELD in Germany >> >> I will be there!! > >With recording device I hope! What do you prefer? Audio or video ? Bernhard From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Mar 4 12:08:16 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:08:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, Michael P Mccollum wrote: > the free internet is dying- at least for us here in the U.S. unless > we finally reach the apex of our nationalist idiology and demand the > right to be members of the world- our damn government is gonna let us get > left behind while the rest of the world moves ahead - all this censorship > is patetic - if you don't want your kids to have cybersex with some > congressman than don't buy them a computer!!! i don't need big brother > to decide this for me - i hate that the most marvelous thing to evolve in > the last 20 years is getting squashed by a buch of old farts!! Hey, you forgot to suggest whipping up a torch-wielding mob of angry villagers. :-) The extreme sentiments you express above is hardly representative of the actual situation on the ground, so to speak. The sky is not falling. I repeat, the sky is not falling. I find this idea that the "free internet is dying" to be most amusing. Was there ever a "free internet?" Just because the elitist club and free-for-all party it once was is now being gatecrashed, the partyers are all starting to pout and cry, saying, "we're special, and what you're trying to do is not normal (boo hoo hoo)!" Wake up, folks. The "normal" world is here. The parents have come home. ;-) One of the most common themes I encountered amongst the term papers I had to critique on "Internet censorship" was the thought that the Internet somehow had a "special status." It was common for students to advocate that "anything goes" on the Internet, because of "free speech" (or simply, because "that's the way it is on the Internet"). My common response was to ask why the Internet should be allowed to do things that would be forbidden outside of it. For example, people think that it "should be allowed" to have pictures of young ladies sucking off donkeys freely available on the Internet, and there should be no barriers whatsoever to their access. My usual response was to point out that the same pictures, printed out, would not be allowed to be posted on departmental or public noticeboards around campus, or around town. Indeed, the retail outlets for such merchandise are prohibited to those under the age of majority, yet we are supposed to lift any and all barriers to access on the Internet? Under what justification? In fact, those video rental outlets that also carry "adult" videos often have them in a separate room, segregated from those who are minors. There are many other instances where certain types of speech are regulated or prohibited by law; there is no such thing as an absolute right to free speech in the USA, first amendment or not. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves, and should promptly join the more fashionable concensus reality most of us inhabit. Besides, think about it. Nobody is able to stop the spread of this material, so why the angst-ridden doomsaying? If you want to get ahold of pictures of Cindy Crawford taking on the Iditarod champion sled dog team, then you can always exchange such pictures electronically with like-minded people via the marvels of PGP. And if that draws a blank, you can always browse through the back pages of Computer Shopper et al and find listings for oodles of CD-ROMs that cater to that market desire. Or, if you want to subscribe to nazi anti-semitic hate groups, I'm sure there are plenty of e-mail lists out there. Nobody said life was easy. There are some stupid aspects of the CDA, but, like all new legislation it will have wrinkles which need to be ironed out through challenges via the Supreme Court. (As is currently ongoing.) So it goes in all walks of life. The Internet is no different. No use fooling yourself it is. > btw who are you kidding -do you think the president really reads his > mail- hell no!!! it is first read by one flunky and put in the proper box > -instant reply (thanks for your concern, etc..) or moved on up to the > next flunky /analist etc.. Actually, when the White House e-mail link was first set up they actually PRINTED OUT every piece of e-mail received, which was then forwarded to the appropriate department for processing and reply, via normal internal channels. (For all I know, it could still be done like this, in which case, I wonder how many forests went to fuel that stupid prank...:) I don't remember either Deborah or I opposing a protest of the CDA. In fact, both of us commented on its potential importance. It was the stupid sophomoric implementation that baffled us (or at least it did me). I have nothing against swamping the White House e-mail with millions of letters of protest, but let them be *individually crafted thoughts on the matter*. It takes a robotic drone, what, about 30 seconds to bounce on a pre-written message to someone? Boy, that amount of effort is really going to impress the recipient, isn't it? I mean, they must REALLY CARE about the issue to take 30 seconds out of their life to bounce on something they didn't even write. How much more meaningful, then, to have millions of individuals each compose a letter sharing their OWN CONCERNS about the CDA, and then send it to the government. Better still, send it to the representatives that actually voted for the CDA, or who originated the legislation. I think having millions of individual complaints carries immensely more weight than a robotic mailbombing. Heck, even a simple script can do that... O- > -just look to the subgenius for guidance... Yeah, but what's the betting they push back X-day once 1998 rolls around? ;-) Followups to appropriate high-noise usenet newsgroups... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _Civilization, Phase III_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Mar 4 12:35:14 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:35:14 -0500 Subject: The Right Fwd: Magna Carta Records Message-ID: Oops- this is the message I meant to forward DF, ComputerKlutz --------------------- Forwarded message: From: epstein at WFU.EDU (Jonathon Epstein) Sender: ROCKLIST at KENTVM.KENT.EDU (Academic Discussion of Popular Music) Reply-to: ROCKLIST at KENTVM.KENT.EDU (Academic Discussion of Popular Music) To: ROCKLIST at KENTVM.KENT.EDU (Multiple recipients of list ROCKLIST) Date: 96-03-02 12:32:33 EST Is there anyone on this list who has the phone number or email address for Magna Carta records in NYC? Or possibly someone with a NYC phone book? They are on 51st street. Magna Carta is a progressive rock label that has released a couple of tribute albums (Yes, Floyd, Genesis) and also releases Enchant, Shadow Gallery, and Magellen. Thanks, Jon Jonathon S. Epstein "You can't elect Department of Sociolgy a dream revolution Wake Forest University when you've a bullet Winston Salem, NC 27109 in the back of epstein at wfu.edu your mind." Fish From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 4 13:09:13 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:09:13 EST Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD Message-ID: > > On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, Michael P Mccollum wrote: > > > the free internet is dying- at least for us here in the U.S. unless > > we finally reach the apex of our nationalist idiology and demand the > > right to be members of the world- our damn government is gonna let us get > > left behind while the rest of the world moves ahead - all this censorship > > is patetic - if you don't want your kids to have cybersex with some > > congressman than don't buy them a computer!!! i don't need big brother > > to decide this for me - i hate that the most marvelous thing to evolve in > > the last 20 years is getting squashed by a buch of old farts!! > > Hey, you forgot to suggest whipping up a torch-wielding mob of angry > villagers. :-) > At least a candlelight vigil, eh? > The extreme sentiments you express above is hardly representative of the > actual situation on the ground, so to speak. The sky is not falling. I > repeat, the sky is not falling. I find this idea that the "free internet > is dying" to be most amusing. Was there ever a "free internet?" Just > because the elitist club and free-for-all party it once was is now being > gatecrashed, the partyers are all starting to pout and cry, saying, > "we're special, and what you're trying to do is not normal (boo hoo > hoo)!" Wake up, folks. The "normal" world is here. The parents have > come home. ;-) > > One of the most common themes I encountered amongst the term papers I had > to critique on "Internet censorship" was the thought that the Internet > somehow had a "special status." It was common for students to advocate > that "anything goes" on the Internet, because of "free speech" (or simply, > because "that's the way it is on the Internet"). My common response was > to ask why the Internet should be allowed to do things that would be > forbidden outside of it. For example, people think that it "should be > allowed" to have pictures of young ladies sucking off donkeys freely > available on the Internet, and there should be no barriers whatsoever to > their access. My usual response was to point out that the same pictures, > printed out, would not be allowed to be posted on departmental or public > noticeboards around campus, or around town. Indeed, the retail outlets Absolutely. Freedom of speech [or expression] carries with it a certain responsibility to the rest of society. we must use our freedoms wisely and not to potentially hurt others. > for such merchandise are prohibited to those under the age of majority, > yet we are supposed to lift any and all barriers to access on the > Internet? Under what justification? In fact, those video rental outlets > that also carry "adult" videos often have them in a separate room, > segregated from those who are minors. There are many other instances > where certain types of speech are regulated or prohibited by law; there is > no such thing as an absolute right to free speech in the USA, first > amendment or not. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves, > and should promptly join the more fashionable concensus reality most of > us inhabit. > > Besides, think about it. Nobody is able to stop the spread of this > material, so why the angst-ridden doomsaying? If you want to get ahold of > pictures of Cindy Crawford taking on the Iditarod champion sled dog team, > then you can always exchange such pictures electronically with like-minded > people via the marvels of PGP. And if that draws a blank, you can always > browse through the back pages of Computer Shopper et al and find listings > for oodles of CD-ROMs that cater to that market desire. Or, if you want > to subscribe to nazi anti-semitic hate groups, I'm sure there are plenty > of e-mail lists out there. Nobody said life was easy. > Right again. It's unlikely that access to these wonderfully useful 'freedom-loving' bytes will ever be curtailed. It will simply be more difficult to obtain it. If you really want porn over the net, you;ll find alternatives that already exist. It's unlikely that censors would even consider most stuff that passes--they won't have time. Why do people want unrestricted freedom? What do they plan on using the net for? There is a certain smarmy privacy that is associated withthe net, something that has always alienated me from being a full-fledged participant. People will access material through the net that they'd never have the balls to buy in person, c.f porn, or sexually-oriented chat groups. The net has greatly expanded the potential for stuff that I'd just as soon not see proliferated to grow. Maybe when we all have demonstrated a responsible concern for cyberspace, things will change. So far, I don';t see it. > There are some stupid aspects of the CDA, but, like all new legislation > it will have wrinkles which need to be ironed out through challenges via > the Supreme Court. (As is currently ongoing.) So it goes in all walks of > life. The Internet is no different. No use fooling yourself it is. > > > btw who are you kidding -do you think the president really reads his > > mail- hell no!!! it is first read by one flunky and put in the proper box > > -instant reply (thanks for your concern, etc..) or moved on up to the > > next flunky /analist etc.. > > Actually, when the White House e-mail link was first set up they actually > PRINTED OUT every piece of e-mail received, which was then forwarded to > the appropriate department for processing and reply, via normal internal > channels. (For all I know, it could still be done like this, in which > case, I wonder how many forests went to fuel that stupid prank...:) > > I don't remember either Deborah or I opposing a protest of the CDA. In > fact, both of us commented on its potential importance. It was the stupid > sophomoric implementation that baffled us (or at least it did me). I have > nothing against swamping the White House e-mail with millions of letters > of protest, but let them be *individually crafted thoughts on the matter*. Absolutely again. The White house will just dismiss such idiotic action as the work of cranks, or it may make washington all the more determined to crack down. Such childish action proves nothing except stupidity and laziness. If you're really concerned about intrusions upon your rights, then write a thoughtful message expressing real concerns, and get your ass on record! > It takes a robotic drone, what, about 30 seconds to bounce on a > pre-written message to someone? Boy, that amount of effort is really > going to impress the recipient, isn't it? I mean, they must REALLY CARE > about the issue to take 30 seconds out of their life to bounce on > something they didn't even write. How much more meaningful, then, to have > millions of individuals each compose a letter sharing their OWN CONCERNS > about the CDA, and then send it to the government. Better still, send it > to the representatives that actually voted for the CDA, or who originated > the legislation. I think having millions of individual complaints carries > immensely more weight than a robotic mailbombing. Heck, even a simple > script can do that... O- > Right again. Moronic chain letters rob any substantive movement of its creedence. > > -just look to the subgenius for guidance... > > Yeah, but what's the betting they push back X-day once 1998 rolls around? ;-) > > Followups to appropriate high-noise usenet newsgroups... > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > obCD: Frank Zappa, _Civilization, Phase III_ > > e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 4 13:37:26 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 18:37:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Stop Press In-Reply-To: <9603041318.aa28389@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "M Holmes" at Mar 4, 96 01:18:52 pm Message-ID: >>> May 28: EBSCD 121 _..... Of Stars and Time_ Spacehead debut >> >> And what are "Spacehead"? Some random band? Knowing comtemporary >> Hawkwind tendancies I hope these guys aren't another useless techno-outfit. > > They're not. They're bloody good in fact. I sent in their cover of > "Where Are They Now" to the covers project. So then, what _are_ Spacehead (besides bloody good ;) ?? Cheers, Carl From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 4 14:00:00 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:00:00 GMT Subject: HW: Stop Press In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:10:08 +0000 Message-ID: > > April 1: EBSCD 119 _Emergency Broadcast System Samples_. 13 tracks > > from EBSSCD 111 through EBSSCD 122, includes a track from HW > > F&R _SpaceHead_ & 12pg colour booklet. 13 tracks at EP price > > What the hell's this? Compilation of HW stuff or other EBS stuff? > Well, at least they didn't call it _Masters of the Universe_ ... > Nah - it'll be Masters of Space or something equally unoriginal.... > > April 22: EBCD 106 _Love in Space_ EP (Digipak) > > April 22: EBT 120 _Love in Space_ EP (12" Vinyl) > > > > May 7: EBSSCD 120/EBSLP 120 _Love in Space_ Double LP. Complete show of Alien > > tour. Gatefold vinyl and 6-page fold out digipack. Both with 16 pg > > booklet > > Ah! And are they pulling their usual shit of sticking some pointless > instrumental on the vinyl to force collectors to go spend ridiculous sums to > get the complete deal? Still, I'm not one of the anti-Ron faction, but even > so if they include "Lord of Light" on this it'll be worthwhile. And perhaps > a cool live version of Sputnik without the silly vocals. > I'd go for that!! Sputnik minus vocals would be a piece well worth waiting for. As far as I know the CD is going to be a double as well as the vinyl so there may not be too much in the way of extraneous extras. > > May 28: EBSCD 121 _..... Of Stars and Time_ Spacehead debut > > And what are "Spacehead"? Some random band? Knowing comtemporary > Hawkwind tendancies I hope these guys aren't another useless techno-outfit ... > Spacehead are a heavy early-Hawkwind-sounding outfit. They don't quite manage the full overwhelming bass(aka Lemmy)/drum/odd sound effects but their version of "Where Are They Now" is almost better than Hawkwind's. I don't think they really concentrate on covers tho' since they have plenty of their own stuff to play. > > incl. Utah Saints, Banco de Gaia, Senser, Advent, Optic Eye, Salt > > Tank, Astralasia and others > > ... and speaking of useless techno-outfits ;) Well, there've been > one or two decent tracks among the previous remixes ... > Ah - I like Astralasia. They've released some damn fine EPs although their "retrospective" of a CD was a severe disappointment since their early stuff is not as good as their recent. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 4 13:26:21 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 18:26:21 +0000 Subject: Fwd: Magna Carta Records In-Reply-To: <960304110230_437605958@emout10.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Mar 4, 96 11:02:56 am Message-ID: > Anyone here familiar with this "label" (boot makers?)? There's no listing for > it in the NYC business directory. > --------------------- > Forwarded message: > From: tdillof at LAWMAIL.LAW.COLUMBIA.EDU (Tony Dillof) > Sender: ROCKLIST at KENTVM.KENT.EDU (Academic Discussion of Popular Music) > Reply-to: ROCKLIST at KENTVM.KENT.EDU (Academic Discussion of Popular Music) > To: ROCKLIST at KENTVM.KENT.EDU (Multiple recipients of list ROCKLIST) > Date: 96-03-03 03:20:24 EST > > They're not listed in the NYC phonebook. > Sonically, > -- Tony Er, well, yes actually! Sort of. I'm on good terms with the blokes in the Bay Area Celtic-Rock group Tempest, and they are on a label called Magna Carta which I believe they told me was based in New York. Unfortunately, I haven't got their latest CD (just out) which would presumably have label info on it (BTW, has Keith Emerson guesting on it, and is supposed to be very good and "Tullish" sounding). Cheers, Carl From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Mar 4 17:11:14 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:11:14 +1100 Subject: HW: Stop Press Message-ID: On 4 Mar 96 Carl E. Anderson wrote about Re: HW: Stop Press: > > May 28: EBSCD 121 _..... Of Stars and Time_ Spacehead debut > > And what are "Spacehead"? Some random band? Knowing comtemporary > Hawkwind tendancies I hope these guys aren't another useless techno-outfit ... The fax from DS only sez: "debut from Hawkwind's Friends & Relation's" ?? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Mar 4 17:14:54 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:14:54 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-03-03 14:46:08 EST, you write: >Actually, as another person pointed out, the Moorcock track is from the >Austin show, the one at which Moorcock showed up. you are correct. i apologize for my error which was taken from word of mouth. iwill be more careful in the future. rj From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Mar 4 17:17:08 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:17:08 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin web site Message-ID: Got a message from GrifMus at aol.com informing me about their web site. http://www.GriffinMusic.com/ It appears to have track listings and cover photos of all Griffin releases, including 32 Hawkwind items. From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Mar 4 18:39:08 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:39:08 -0700 Subject: OTHER: Rainbow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doogie sounds more delicate than Dio and has a higher range than Turner. He is perfect for Rainbow. And, as confirmed, he is a Scotsman. Regards, Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Mar 4 22:22:12 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:22:12 -0500 Subject: OFF Gong Message-ID: Did Blake appear with Gong in Montreal this past weekend? regards, Bill Stewart From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Mon Mar 4 23:43:17 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:43:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gong review In-Reply-To: <01I1VA4PV5DY1QJJ8K@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> from "Scott Heller" at Mar 2, 96 03:42:00 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks: For those interested, I saw this posting on rec.music.progressive about the Montreal gig....sounds encouraging, but alas, apparently no Tim Blake (he mentions "six")...guess there is no keyboardist...look forward to sequenced stuff...except maybe in NYC...Bill?? Although he doesn't say so, I believe Didier *is* in the US (Anyone confirm??). The person who said he was being replaced by the (other) Robert Calvert has since suggested he was incorrect. Well, here it is, in all it's glorifying essence.... :) Keith H. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well, I was *going* to write a review of last night's (March 3) Gong show at Club Soda in Montreal. However, "review" to me implies some degree of objectivity, and after such an incredibly mind-blowing experience, I fear objectivity must be thrown out the window. (Thus putting me in the same category as the cretins who review records for most mainstream publications, but there you go...) Anyways, this was easily the best concert I have ever been to. Better than Rush, better than Steve Hackett or Howe, better than They Might Be Giants, better than Tull, better than Crimson, and -- yes, it's true -- even better than Phish. Incredible. For the mundane aspects: Club Soda is a great place for a small concert; I wandered around the place a bit during the intermission, and realized there are really only two kinds of seats there: good seats and great seats. Nice, small place where -- for a pleasant change -- you *aren't* assaulted by pushy waitrons trying to sell you $8 beers every five minutes. The sound quality was also amazing, especially compared to every other rock show I've been to. For starters, it was NOT painfully loud, a wonderful improvement; however, it was loud enough that really good bits (and there were plenty of them) were all-encompassing musical bliss. And you could really *feel* that bass, when it needed to be felt. (Not to mention Daevid Allen's occasionally howling.) For the important stuff: well, for a bunch of aging ex-hippies, these guys can really groove! No, let me correct that: these guys can really groove! No exceptions, no qualifications, this is a band that plays together as though they were born to it. The individual musicians may not be stellar talents on their own (or maybe they are, but I haven't heard much from any of them outside Gong except for Pip Pyle), but when the six of them get up on stage together, something truly magical happens. Again and again last night, they sought out an intensely tight groove, and built on it slowly, displaying an innate mastery for teasing the audience with grand musical suspense. And somehow through it all, they managed to make it *fun* as only Gong can do. Most of the time, I just sat there with an idiot grin on my face, totally blown away by the ridiculously wonderful noise blasting at me from above. In short: go see 'em. Do not miss this tour, there's nothing else like it. And while you're at it, hope and pray that someday these folks will see fit to tour our fine continent again. (Or at least come back to Montreal... I dunno about the rest of you, but for me, once was definitely not enough.) Greg (narpet at cs.mcgill.ca) From brendah at MBAY.NET Tue Mar 5 00:49:11 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:49:11 -0800 Subject: Fwd: Magna Carta Records Message-ID: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM wrote: > > Anyone here familiar with this "label" (boot makers?)? There's no listing for > it in the NYC business directory. They just released an album of "Yes" tribute tunes, and I think they did the same for Pink Floyd and Genesis. Not boots, those, but real recordings. I have the Yes one ("Tales of Yesterday") at work. Brenda --- []]]]]]]] Brenda Holloway brendah at mbay.net [[[[[[[[] [[ ]]]]]] Sony New Technologies, Monterey, CA [[[[[[ ]] [[[ ]]]] http://www.sonysoft.com/brenda/ [[[[ ]]] [[[[ ]]] http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ [[[ ]]]] [[[[[ ] C Coder. C Coder Run. Run, Coder, Run. [ ]]]]] From stayer at PI.NET Mon Mar 4 22:52:17 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:52:17 PST Subject: OFF: Magna Carta Records Message-ID: >Anyone here familiar with this "label" (boot makers?)? Magna Carta is a relatively new label, set up by Peter Morticelli and Mike Varney. I don't know where the office is situated, for the Dutch distribution is done by Roadrunner, and they put their own address on the covers. Their catalog consists mainly (if not only) of progressive rock. Some names: Magellan (their best), Shadow Gallery, and Cairo. They also produced two tributes: 'The Moon Revisited' (Dark Side of the Moon by some of their artists plus some other progressive rock musicians), and 'Tales >From Yesterday', a tribute to Yes by mostly the same musicians who did 'The Moon Revisited'. They're definitely not boot makers, that is, if we're talking about the same label, of course :-) Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Mon Mar 4 22:30:56 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:30:56 PST Subject: OFF: The 20-minuters Message-ID: >On 2 Mar 96 Jerry wrote about Re: OFF: The 20-minuters: >> Eloy - Power and the Passion (42 min) >You can't count that one really .... it's multiple tracks in one big >long seque ... Though I'd include 'Atlantis Agony at (some date or >other) Gregorian Earthtime' Aren't many of those 20 minute examples "compositions" - composed of several parts? Give it one name, or give every part its own name. But I agree it's a different matter when a band extends a song on stage. I'm mainly into progressive rock, so in general, I prefer those "compositions" to extended jams. Jerry I said /prefer/ - not that extended jams can't be great songs. I really /love/ Orgone Accumulator, Brainstorm and the likes. From stayer at PI.NET Tue Mar 5 10:25:27 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:25:27 PST Subject: OFF: Yahoo Message-ID: I heard about the Yahoo 'search' server. Can someone give me the address? Thanks, Jerry From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 5 05:22:59 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:22:59 +0000 Subject: HW: Stop Press In-Reply-To: <9603041900.aa05529@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Mar 4, 96 07:00:00 pm Message-ID: > As far as I know the CD is going to be a double as > well as the vinyl so there may not be too much in the way of extraneous > extras. Never under-estimate the power of the Hawk to provide obscure tracks that require silly quantities of money to acquire! ;) But I hope you're right! > Spacehead are a heavy early-Hawkwind-sounding outfit. They don't quite > manage the full overwhelming bass(aka Lemmy)/drum/odd sound effects but > their version of "Where Are They Now" is almost better than Hawkwind's. > I don't think they really concentrate on covers tho' since they have > plenty of their own stuff to play. Ah, I approve of that! Still, they can borrow my bass if they need help in that department ... Cheers, Carl From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Tue Mar 5 05:39:29 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 05:39:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: Yahoo Message-ID: At 07:25 AM 3/5/96 PST, you wrote: >I heard about the Yahoo 'search' server. Can someone give me the address? > >Thanks, >Jerry > http://akebono.stanford.edu was where it was orginally located. Shawn From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Tue Mar 5 05:21:36 1996 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:21:36 GMT Subject: OFF: Yahoo Message-ID: Hi Jerry, The URL you need is http://www.yahoo.com Keith From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Tue Mar 5 07:15:06 1996 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:15:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: Satriani with DP In-Reply-To: <199602230048.TAA05850@listserv.spc.edu> from "Automatic digest processor" at Feb 22, 96 07:48:26 pm Message-ID: > No, no, Joe just filled in for Ritchie, on the last US tour was it ? > > Besides, Jason, one of the resident boc-l DP heads would know more. Oi, Jason > where are you lurking ? Austria, Skiing. Back now... (no broken bones!) Yup, Satch filled in for Blackmore on the Japanese (and part of the European) leg of DP's 25th Aniversary tour. He was darn good too. I have a couple of recordings to demonstrate this. Satch expressed interest in staying with DP but couldn't get out of his contracts (and indeed, probably wanted to carry on doing his own thing). Some people detect a significant influence from the Purple tour on Satch's new album (Down, Down, Down particularly). Since then, DP have recruited Steve Morse (this band have such a good track record of picking the best guitarists around). New album out last month (Purpendicular, aka. _|_), and they are touring the UK at this very moment - I'm off to see them at Brixton on Friday. Album should be out in the USA in a month or so, followed by a tour. The album is, IMHO, the best thing they have done since the reformation. It's the first they have done in years where they aren't just retreading old ground. It has that Fireball spirit to it. However, don't expect to hear that Blackmore guitar sound. It's there every now and again, but Steve Morse is quite a different guitar animal from Blackers. > 'Always with Me, Always with You' Go take a listen, and see if your > opinion doesn't change. It is IMHO, one of _the_ definitive guitar > instrumentals ever put down on record. I'm with Tim on this one. I personally thing that Satriani is one of the best, if not the best, instrumental guitarist. In particular, I really like his strong sense of melody and song structure. He's not just a widdle merchent like most the GIT bunch. Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at dev.madge.com - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 5 08:00:41 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:00:41 GMT Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:08:16 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > The extreme sentiments you express above is hardly representative of the > actual situation on the ground, so to speak. The sky is not falling. I > repeat, the sky is not falling. ObRush: Ditto. What should be worrying you guys in the US is that various States have attempted to tax your payments to ISP's. The CDA will most likely be repealed in the Supreme Court to be replaced by a more reasonable law requiring WWW pages to be rated appropriately on a voluntary basis backed by sanctions for obvious disregard such as rating adult material in such a way that Protect-A-Kid software can lock out access. > I find this idea that the "free internet > is dying" to be most amusing. Was there ever a "free internet?" Just > because the elitist club and free-for-all party it once was is now being > gatecrashed, the partyers are all starting to pout and cry, saying, > "we're special, and what you're trying to do is not normal (boo hoo > hoo)!" Wake up, folks. The "normal" world is here. The parents have > come home. ;-) And they still want someone else to do their job for 'em. > One of the most common themes I encountered amongst the term papers I had > to critique on "Internet censorship" was the thought that the Internet > somehow had a "special status." It was common for students to advocate > that "anything goes" on the Internet, because of "free speech" (or simply, > because "that's the way it is on the Internet"). My common response was > to ask why the Internet should be allowed to do things that would be > forbidden outside of it. For example, people think that it "should be > allowed" to have pictures of young ladies sucking off donkeys freely > available on the Internet As do I, but only with written permission from the donkey ;-) > and there should be no barriers whatsoever to > their access. My usual response was to point out that the same pictures, > printed out, would not be allowed to be posted on departmental or public > noticeboards around campus, or around town. An argument which perhaps applies to Usenet, but not to the Web where you must cause your machine to fetch the information from the machine where it resides. > Indeed, the retail outlets > for such merchandise are prohibited to those under the age of majority, > yet we are supposed to lift any and all barriers to access on the > Internet? Should the Internet be something that is safe for kids? If so then why shouldn't roads? Make an 8mph speed limit everywhere? A better solution is to say that the world is generally for adults and it's up to parents to prevent their kids from walking into danger and to educate them to avoid this. They need to tell 'em "Don't talk to strangers" on the Internet just as elsewhere. Meanwhile there's software that can stop 'em reaching the "top shelf" and ISP's who'll provide a KiddieNet that's more or less Policed. > Under what justification? In fact, those video rental outlets > that also carry "adult" videos often have them in a separate room, > segregated from those who are minors. Unless minors can view video without a VCR then that's hardly necessary. > There are many other instances > where certain types of speech are regulated or prohibited by law; there is > no such thing as an absolute right to free speech in the USA, first > amendment or not. Yes, there's a deeper problem there: politicians seem to be unable to understand the Constitution. "Congress shall make no law...." seems pretty damn clear to me. > Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves, > and should promptly join the more fashionable concensus reality most of > us inhabit. To paraphrase someone more erudite than myself: if we all lived with the consensus, we'd all still be living in caves. > Besides, think about it. Nobody is able to stop the spread of this > material, so why the angst-ridden doomsaying? If you want to get ahold of > pictures of Cindy Crawford taking on the Iditarod champion sled dog team, > then you can always exchange such pictures electronically with like-minded > people via the marvels of PGP. You think they won't have another try at making PGP illegal? > And if that draws a blank, you can always > browse through the back pages of Computer Shopper et al and find listings > for oodles of CD-ROMs that cater to that market desire. Or, if you want > to subscribe to nazi anti-semitic hate groups, I'm sure there are plenty > of e-mail lists out there. Nobody said life was easy. Unless you're a parent of course.... > Actually, when the White House e-mail link was first set up they actually > PRINTED OUT every piece of e-mail received, which was then forwarded to > the appropriate department for processing and reply, via normal internal > channels. Which demonstrates more than anything the truly yawning culture gap that exists here. > (For all I know, it could still be done like this, in which > case, I wonder how many forests went to fuel that stupid prank...:) Maybe they use hemp paper ;-) > I don't remember either Deborah or I opposing a protest of the CDA. In > fact, both of us commented on its potential importance. It was the stupid > sophomoric implementation that baffled us (or at least it did me). I have > nothing against swamping the White House e-mail with millions of letters > of protest, but let them be *individually crafted thoughts on the matter*. Havta admit, I'm with Paul 100% on that one. Any Pol that's telling the truth would tell you that it's more effective. > Paul. FoFP From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 5 08:02:18 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:02:18 EST Subject: OFF: Satriani with DP Message-ID: > record of picking the best guitarists around). New album out last month > (Purpendicular, aka. _|_), and they are touring the UK at this very moment - > I'm off to see them at Brixton on Friday. Album should be out in the USA in > a month or so, followed by a tour. The album is, IMHO, the best thing they What size venues are they playing. Are they now a club act a la BOC or can they still fill stadiums. Are they bigger in the UK than over the lake? Anyone in the US seen them lately? What kind of gigs do they do here? theo > From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Mar 5 08:29:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:29:00 EST Subject: HW: Germany in the Summer Message-ID: >>> Just the short information that HAWKWIND will appear on a festival >>> (19 - 21 July 1996) near the town BAD HERSFELD in Germany >>> I will be there!! >>With recording device I hope! >What do you prefer? Audio or video ? Both! Deion Sanders From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Mar 5 08:38:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:38:00 EST Subject: HW: Compilation Commentary Message-ID: >Nah - it'll be Masters of Space or something equally unoriginal.... "Universal Masters of Space Ridicule" would fit at this point. >I'd go for that!! Sputnik minus vocals would be a piece well worth >waiting for. As far as I know the CD is going to be a double as >well as the vinyl so there may not be too much in the way of extraneous >extras. There is equipment that strips out vocals automatically. Maybe we can do boots of Alien and the live CDs that are all instrumental. Might outsell the originals. Then there is the karioke (sp?) market. Ron Tree night at the local pub. Rudy From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Mar 5 09:15:06 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:15:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gong review Message-ID: In a message dated 96-03-04 23:47:28 EST, you write: >For those interested, I saw this posting on rec.music.progressive about the >Montreal gig....sounds encouraging, but alas, apparently no Tim Blake (he >mentions "six")...guess there is no keyboardist...look forward to sequenced >stuff...except maybe in NYC...Bill?? > > I'll let you know tommorrow morn. Oh please no sequencers..Oh please no sequencers Oh please no sequencers Oh pleas........ regards Bill Stewart From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue Mar 5 09:39:36 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:39:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gong review In-Reply-To: <960305091504_438499213@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at Mar 5, 96 09:15:06 am Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > > In a message dated 96-03-04 23:47:28 EST, you write: > > >For those interested, I saw this posting on rec.music.progressive about the > >Montreal gig....sounds encouraging, but alas, apparently no Tim Blake (he > >mentions "six")...guess there is no keyboardist...look forward to sequenced > >stuff...except maybe in NYC...Bill?? > > I'll let you know tommorrow morn. Oh please no sequencers..Oh please no > sequencers Oh please no sequencers Oh pleas........ The NYC Gong show is tonight? Where, when?! Steve From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Tue Mar 5 09:56:58 1996 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:56:58 +0000 Subject: OFF: Gong review -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll let you know tommorrow morn. Oh please no sequencers..Oh please no sequencers Oh please no sequencers Oh pleas........ regards Bill Stewart <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< have a good one matey 8-) (OB88ref) Gong are truly blissful live - enjoy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Mar 5 10:16:20 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:16:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: Satriani with DP Message-ID: Theo asked >What size venues are they playing. Are they now a club act a la BOC >or can they still fill stadiums. Are they bigger in the UK than over >the lake? Anyone in the US seen them lately? What kind of gigs do >they do here? When the tour hits London, two nights at Brixton Academy, which accommodates about 4,000. By way of comparison, Green Day are also at Brixton for two shows in April. And I just noticed, Wayne Kramer's at the Mean Fiddler on May 10! Yippee!!! - Andy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Mar 5 10:07:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:07:00 EST Subject: Other: Gong for the next few days Message-ID: Here is the dope I have: March 6th- Mama Kin, Boston 7th- Bottom Line NYC Bill jumped the gun a bit, but the threat of squencers can do that. I hope for a good time and fine music whatever the source. I know Ron Tree won't be singing. Rudy From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 5 10:56:37 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:56:37 -0500 Subject: OFF Gong Message-ID: Is Gong appearing in NY? When? From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue Mar 5 11:05:05 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:05:05 -0500 Subject: OFF Gong In-Reply-To: <960305105637_341633582@emout09.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Mar 5, 96 10:56:37 am Message-ID: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM writes: > > Is Gong appearing in NY? When? > I just called the Bootom Line, and they say Gong is playing 2 shows tonight: 7:30 and 10:30. Steve From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue Mar 5 11:08:07 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:08:07 -0500 Subject: OFF Gong In-Reply-To: <199603051605.LAA01960@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Mar 5, 96 11:05:05 am Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > > DFrost8547 at AOL.COM writes: > > > > Is Gong appearing in NY? When? > > > > I just called the Bootom Line, and they say Gong is playing 2 shows > tonight: 7:30 and 10:30. Errr, make that the Bottom Line :-) and they say the 7:30 show is going fast. Tix are at the door, cash only. Steve From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Tue Mar 5 11:59:36 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:59:36 -0500 Subject: HW: Gong in Montreal! Message-ID: Thought a few people would like to see this, not my review, but I was there excellent show ! Cheers, Steve L. ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From guido at iastate.edu Mon Mar 4 21:12:42 1996 Return-Path: X-Sender: elight at po-box.mcgill.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: erpnotes at iastate.edu From: evan light Subject: Gong in Montreal! X-Lines: 49 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1881 Went on at about 8:15pm just last night (March 3) and 'twas a hell of a show...band told me they thought it was the best so far, even after 2 almost sold-out crowds in Quebec City. 1st set was kinda mellow and they seemed to be just playing, but the 2nd was alomost 2 hours long including the encore. Much more trancy than the 1st. Steffi tells me he's experimenting a bit more with his synths and sequencers and everything. He had a keyboard blow up in NYC because he forgot about the whole voltage bit so he picked up a nice Moog. Sent him off synth shopping this morning. The whole show was just incredible. Whoever you are and whereever you are get your ass off to their next show 'cause it's a must see. Here's the set list from the evening... Gong Classic ~~~~ ~~~~~~~ 1. Intro 2. Can't Kill Me (Daevid starts) 3. Radio Gnome (Daevid starts) 4. Pussy (Steffy starts) 5. Pothead Pixies (Pip count 5) 6. Glid (Pip starts) 7. Prostitute Poem (Tim starts) 8. Eat That Phonebook (Didier starts) 9. Tim discourse link 10. Flute Salad 11. Oily Way 12. Outer Temple 13. Inner Temple 14. Goddess Invoc 15. Om Riff 16. La Boof note: this was one fuckin hilarious track with 100% funny & French vocals from our man on the flute) 17. Cycles (Mike starts) 18. Get It Inner 19. Never Blow YR Trip (A drone) 20. Scat 21. Why Dont'cha Try 23. You are I -They did many songs either completely or partially in French. Definitly a one of a kind show. For those of you who'll be on the other side of the ocean later this year, they're going back to England come the 22 of March and going about England, Wales, and Scotland. Then they're looking for France, Belgium, and maybe Germany and finally Japan. Keep an eye out for more Gong News because GAS has bigbig plans for a Gong website that is to be the virtual incarnation of Gong. tata..evan ----- End Included Message ----- From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue Mar 5 13:07:55 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:07:55 -0500 Subject: OTHER: Gong, Bottom Line, 7:30 Message-ID: Well, I'm going to try to make it to the 7:30 show tonight at the Bottom Line. I hope they're not sold out by 5:30 or so, when I expect to get there... Any BOC-Lers there, stop by and say hi. I'm about 5'11", with short red hair, freckles, and glasses. I won't be wearing my BOC-L shirt, since I'll be coming straight from work. Steve From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue Mar 5 10:42:57 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:42:57 GMT Subject: OFF: Satriani with DP Message-ID: > > record of picking the best guitarists around). New album out last month > > (Purpendicular, aka. _|_), and they are touring the UK at this very moment - > > I'm off to see them at Brixton on Friday. Album should be out in the USA in > > a month or so, followed by a tour. The album is, IMHO, the best thing they Yeah, the new album is a stormer. Anyone who likes heavy rock (as opposed to balls to the wall metal) will surely enjoy it. And they're playing Sheffield tomorrow night, I cannot wait! > What size venues are they playing. Are they now a club act a la BOC > or can they still fill stadiums. Are they bigger in the UK than over > the lake? Anyone in the US seen them lately? What kind of gigs do > they do here? They're playing the typical British 2000 to 3000 seaters that most bands do, rather than arenas. And selling out at most of 'em. Certainly a vastly bigger draw than either BOC or HW ;-) The US tour dates are probably on the excellent WWW site at: http://www.tecc.co.uk/public/purple/Purple.html Chris From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 5 13:47:22 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:47:22 EST Subject: charmed ME-262 called ? Message-ID: I noticed today whilst looking at the cover from 'Secret Treaties' that the fuselage markings on the ME-262 on the cover read: 'PL- 01.'And, in 'Del Rio's Song,' there is reference to 'my ship is charmed, and called pultonium.' Al, are the plane's markings connected in any way, to mean plutonium 0-1? This seems too great a coincidence to ignore. Also, the airfield is ringed by tropical plants, and some people in the background are wearing sombreros and standing near mission-style buildings. Is said airfield possibly in Los [Las?] Cristobel? theo From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Mar 5 15:51:15 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:51:15 -0500 Subject: OTHER: Gong, Bottom Line, 7:30 Message-ID: In a message dated 96-03-05 13:12:41 EST, you write: >Any BOC-Lers there, stop by and say hi. I'm about 5'11", with short >red hair, freckles, and glasses. I won't be wearing my BOC-L shirt, >since I'll be coming straight from work. > > See ya there. I'll probably be wearing the Hawkwind British Tour (Alien) tee. But I have not decided on my wardrobe yet. Decisions decisions..decisions..... regards, Bill Stewart From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Mar 5 16:01:48 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:01:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: Ripper... first glance Message-ID: Well, got "Ripper", today, primarily because of the large "Featuring the music of Blue Oyster Cult" plug we've been seeing in all the ads... DfTR plays throughout the intro, though there is a voiceover on the second half of the first part of the song. It fades out before reaching the second part. After, that, it's been all "incidental" music, nothing from BOC songs, and I don't think it's by anyone from BOC (the credits in the manual credit someone else with "music", a Michael Bross. In fact, nowhere in the manual does it mention BOC at all, which gives the appearance of having been finished without DFtR and just having the song tacked on for the intro/demo. I should not write it off on that level yet, though; the game comes on 6 cd's and I'm still on the first one, and have only messed around for a half hour or so as I write this. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Mar 5 17:26:43 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:26:43 -0500 Subject: charmed ME-262 called ? Message-ID: Does your copy of _ST_ not have the note about the ambassadors from Plutonia? - Andy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 5 17:58:25 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:58:25 EST Subject: charmed ME-262 called ? Message-ID: > Does your copy of _ST_ not have the note about the ambassadors from Plutonia? > > - Andy Yeah> I read it right after I posted it! From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Mar 5 23:25:42 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:25:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD In-Reply-To: <9603051300.aa23362@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: Mike Holmes wrote: [Various one-liners deleted. :-)] You seem to have fastidiously avoided the central point of my posting :-) which is this: why should the Internet be allowed special, unlimited access to certain types of material when the same is not true of this same material outside of it? It seems to me that the "free the Internet" advocates are talking out of both corners of their mouths; on the one hand they say they Internet should be treated no differently from other media, yet on the other they demand unlimited, unfettered access to material that is legally restricted outside of it. Unless I am missing something... Also, I think it is a little disingenuous of you to point the finger at parents as being the sole raison d'etre behind the CDA. It is a fallacy to assume that only children are potentially offended by obscene material (and, as a result, their parents strive to protect them from it). A lot of "normal adults" are offended by pornography or extreme violence. Not everyone likes to see pictures of cigarettes being stubbed out on dicks, bound people having objects forcibly inserted into them, girls taking donkeys up their asses, people eating shit, scenes of torture and execution, and similar aesthetic delicacies. And, whereas these people do not want such material to be banned, they would prefer that it be confined to the privacy of the intended clientele's homes, away from prying eyes. And, yes, there are many who believe that this material should be more, not less, difficult to access. Here in our own department, there was a case where a female student complained because several male students repeatedly displayed pornographic images obtained from usenet on workstation screens in a general access laboratory. She found these images offensive, especially when taken together with the lurid comments offered by the male students debating the merits of the respective images amongst themselves. And before you say it, no, nobody insisted the newsgroups the images came from be banned or removed. Just that they not be allowed to be displayed in the laboratory. I'm sure nobody cares if the male students in question want to get a little wrist exercise by viewing them in the privacy of their own rooms. Arguments about the degrading effects upon society aside, the fact remains that children lack the emotional maturity to process extreme material, especially where it is presented in an unusual context. It is of benefit to everyone, therefore, if we try and keep material deemed legally obscene away from minors, and direct it towards those that enjoy it. (This is perhaps why access to such material is restricted in the outside world.) There are many ways to achieve this; as you suggest, such material could be flagged so that appropriate blocking software could detect and screen it. Or, prior age verification could be required for areas having adult content---this scheme is commonly used in adult BBSs (quite why people object to it being used on the Internet is a mystery to me). Or, as is common with many specialist services, the user should pay to access it, and such payment would carry the burden of proper authentication. With the rapid commercialisation of the Internet, anyway, digital signatures and the accompanying authentication they bring will become commonplace, so many of these questions may be moot anyway. It may be that, out of commercial demands, Internet users have a de facto identification scheme, which is then used to segregate obscene material to ensure corresponding financial remuneration for its viewing. (If you don't believe me, look into the research and development into digital copyright and rights management technology; look at IBM's digital library system, for example.) > > and there should be no barriers whatsoever to > > their access. My usual response was to point out that the same pictures, > > printed out, would not be allowed to be posted on departmental or public > > noticeboards around campus, or around town. > > An argument which perhaps applies to Usenet, but not to the Web where > you must cause your machine to fetch the information from the machine > where it resides. Actually, if you think about it, the reverse is actually true. One of the problems with hypertext is that the user can easily lose a sense of presence and orientation (see, for example, Jakob Nielsen, Communications of the ACM 33,3 (March 1990), 297--310). In particular, it is not always easy to know what lies at the end of a hyperlink. With the increasing use of search engines to seek out information, this problem is exacerbated: many WWW pages are very poorly identified---often they have no title at all, or, worse still, have misleading titles. The potential for stumbling across something you didn't expect is greater on the WWW than on Usenet, where there is a definite hierarchy. I know that this is one reason why some (K-12) educators I know have been reluctant to let their students freely browse the WWW in class sessions (the dangers of an irate parent suing the school system being a big concern). And if you think the possibility is remote, anyone remember when Netscape used to have a link to "Bianca's Smut Shack" on their "What's Cool" page? :-) > > Indeed, the retail outlets > > for such merchandise are prohibited to those under the age of majority, > > yet we are supposed to lift any and all barriers to access on the > > Internet? > > Should the Internet be something that is safe for kids? If so then why > shouldn't roads? Make an 8mph speed limit everywhere? Actually, a lot of local authorities are now recognising that it is more cost-effective to society to slow down (or even remove entirely) cars in suburban areas and around schools. Doing so reduces the number of accidents involving children, which, in turn, places less strain on our medical facilities to patch up the damage such car accidents inflict. I think they're observing the old-fashioned maxim "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure..." > > Under what justification? In fact, those video rental outlets > > that also carry "adult" videos often have them in a separate room, > > segregated from those who are minors. > > Unless minors can view video without a VCR then that's hardly necessary. I don't understand. Have you actually *seen* the cover of an adult video? They're hardly discreet. Besides, I think the reason for the separate room is as much to avoid embarrassment to the punters browsing that section than to bar minors. ;-) > > There are many other instances > > where certain types of speech are regulated or prohibited by law; there is > > no such thing as an absolute right to free speech in the USA, first > > amendment or not. > > Yes, there's a deeper problem there: politicians seem to be unable to > understand the Constitution. "Congress shall make no law...." seems > pretty damn clear to me. I'm probably being grossly ignorant here so forgive me, but I believe congress doesn't "make" the law; it's left up to "local standards of decency" to define what is or is not obscene or prohibited. (At least that is how I remember it being explained to me.) It is for this reason that oral sex, for example, is illegal in certain states (or areas) in the U.S.A. but not in others. Besides, it seems sensible to me that people be held accountable when they exercise their "right to free speech" by yelling "Fire!" in a crowded auditorium. As Theo said, with freedom comes responsibility, and we should be prepared to take responsibility for the speech we utter. Unfortunately, there are some (e.g. those that abuse Internet anonymous remailers) who want to enjoy the freedom but without the responsibility. > > Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves, > > and should promptly join the more fashionable concensus reality most of > > us inhabit. > > To paraphrase someone more erudite than myself: if we all lived with the > consensus, we'd all still be living in caves. I'd like to know who said that, so I can avoid them in the future. :-) Obviously they can't be too erudite, as they appear not to understand what the word "consensus" means. It does not mean "everyone thinks exactly alike." Instead, it means there is a general agreement. I think it is easy to see that innovation and development can still exist comfortably in an environment in which people agree on many things. > > And if that draws a blank, you can always > > browse through the back pages of Computer Shopper et al and find listings > > for oodles of CD-ROMs that cater to that market desire. Or, if you want > > to subscribe to nazi anti-semitic hate groups, I'm sure there are plenty > > of e-mail lists out there. Nobody said life was easy. > > Unless you're a parent of course.... I'm curious. Are you a parent? Most parents I know do not consider the job of raising children to be an easy one, but nevertheless one filled with ultimate reward, and so well worth pursuing. But the road is far from easy. But, like I said before, just because the user profile of the Internet is inexorably changing, you should not be surprised if the "nature of the Internet" itself changes with it. The little fraternal club that comprised the Internet's membership is surely no more. I'm sure a libertarian such as yourself should be well aware that markets change, and you have to give the customer what they want. ;-) Excuse my off-topic rambling, folks. Any more followups from me will be via private e-mail, I promise. Honest, guvnor! Cheers, Paul. O- obBook: Al Franken, _Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot and Other Observations_ From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Mar 5 23:33:59 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:33:59 +1100 Subject: OFF: Calling Keith Henderson Message-ID: Keith, The CD's arrived today .... please mail me at paul at pcmicro.com.au Paul/Sonique ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: Sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From dzeiger at NETCOM.COM Wed Mar 6 00:47:25 1996 From: dzeiger at NETCOM.COM (David Zeiger) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:47:25 -0800 Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Mar 5, 96 11:25:42 pm Message-ID: [apologies for being off-topic. I'll make up for it by a review of the 3/14 BOC show in Dallas] > advocates are talking out of both corners of their mouths; on the one hand > they say they Internet should be treated no differently from other media, > yet on the other they demand unlimited, unfettered access to material that > is legally restricted outside of it. Unless I am missing something... I think you are. Whereas there are restrictions as to what bookstores can display, there aren't restrictions (or they are much less) on what you can mail out/deliver. A couple of days ago, a local nude bar sent out a mass mailing, which contained several pictures of totally nude women. Due to a screw up in the mailing list, a large number of the mailers went to family homes, with wives and kids and whatnot. No law was broken in the mailing (unless one or more of the recipients had regestered with the "no junk mail" agency). I think the basic argument here is that, if you choose to subscribe to the Sun in the UK, you get a picture of a topless woman on Page 3, and it's your responsibility to keep your kid from seeing it. Similarly, if you subscribe to an Internet service that advertises "all Newsgroups" or whatever, it means you will get sexually explicit newsgroups, and it's your responsibility to keep your kids away from those areas. > > Also, I think it is a little disingenuous of you to point the finger at > parents as being the sole raison d'etre behind the CDA. The "protect the children" call is the main rallying cry of the pro-CDA forces, thus it is the main target of the anti-CDA forces :-). > There are many ways to achieve this; as you suggest, such material could > be flagged so that appropriate blocking software could detect and screen > it. But there's no reason to get the government involved. Companies making blocking software *hire* prople to surf the net, looking for obscene web sites or whatnot for updates to their software. IMHO, some monolithic ratings system imposed by a government would be much less efficient, and probably squelch much of the fun, "I'm going to throw up a web site about my pet goldfish" side of the net. Also, having the US government step in runs into a major problem with international boundries. Already, most of the really hard-core web sites are in Europe, and most of the really, truely nasty stuff on usenet comes through the Anon server in Finland. So you run into the potential danger of actually doing more *harm* than good by US government regulations. If the average interent user in America, feels secure that the Government will keep their kids safe, they are less likely to buy a blocking software package. Which means that there won't be much of anything stopping their kids from accessing Sex sites in Holland. > Or, prior age verification could be required for areas having adult > content---this scheme is commonly used in adult BBSs (quite why people > object to it being used on the Internet is a mystery to me). How do you mean, "age verification?" Just a "don't view if not over 18" warning? Or a "send a copy of a driver's license" warning? I think the second is obviously impossible, and the first is only possible with stuff like mailing lists and web sites. With usenet, it's simply not an option, because there is no central distribution mechanism--once I post, I have absolutely *no* control over where the message ends up (*mabye* geographical distribution, but the Distribution: header rarely works right). In any case, isn't a newsgroup title like "alt.sex.bondage" warning enough? > Or, as is > common with many specialist services, the user should pay to access it, > and such payment would carry the burden of proper authentication. I don't know of any ISP that accepts payment in forms other than Credit Cards or checks--the big hue and cry is over parents who buy the account, then let their kids go hog wild with it. > I'm probably being grossly ignorant here so forgive me, but I believe > congress doesn't "make" the law; it's left up to "local standards of > decency" to define what is or is not obscene or prohibited. (At least > that is how I remember it being explained to me.) It is for this reason > that oral sex, for example, is illegal in certain states (or areas) in the > U.S.A. but not in others. But how do you define "community standards" on the Internet? About a year ago, the Amateur Action BBS in California was shut down and its operators arrested because a sheriff in Tenn. called the BBS up, and found that it violated *his* community standards. Using that as precedent, it appears that "community standards" means that the standards are that of the most restrictive community that the internet connects, which is more than a little problematic. I'd be more than willing to bet that various BOC lyrics violate the community standards of some Southern communities :-). Now, if "community standards" were applied in a slightly more logical fashion on the net, there might not be as much of a problem--each newsgroup or mailing list could be its own "community." Although Web sites might still be a problem. -- David Zeiger dzeiger at netcom.com Windows 95: The Dracula of Operating Systems--it sucks up all your memory, bleeds your hard drive dry, and only works an average of 12 hours out of every 24. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 6 06:26:59 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:26:59 +0000 Subject: HW: Compilation Commentary In-Reply-To: <313BBA56@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Mar 5, 96 08:38:00 am Message-ID: > "Universal Masters of Space Ridicule" would fit at this point. That, I think, says it all! :) > >I'd go for that!! Sputnik minus vocals would be a piece well worth > >waiting for. As far as I know the CD is going to be a double as > >well as the vinyl so there may not be too much in the way of extraneous > >extras. > > There is equipment that strips out vocals automatically. Maybe we can do > boots of Alien and the live CDs that are all instrumental. Might outsell > the originals. Then there is the karioke (sp?) market. Ron Tree night at > the local pub. Hell, Alan's vocals are fine. I don't remember whether Ron sang on this or not from the live shows, but it's just his silly overdub on this song from the studio version which is _really_ stupid sounding (doesn't spoil my enjoyment of the song, which is the most HWish song on the album!) I tried the cheesy "Karoke pon" button on my overgrown boom-box and discovered it mostly made HW sound silly, since the mix is too busy for the computer to decide where the vocals are ;) It also failed shamefully to strip Lemmy's vocals from Motorhead ;) Cheers, Carl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 6 08:15:18 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:15:18 EST Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD Message-ID: > > > advocates are talking out of both corners of their mouths; on the one hand > > they say they Internet should be treated no differently from other media, > > yet on the other they demand unlimited, unfettered access to material that > > is legally restricted outside of it. Unless I am missing something... > > I think you are. Whereas there are restrictions as to what bookstores > can display, there aren't restrictions (or they are much less) on what > you can mail out/deliver. A couple of days ago, a local nude bar sent > out a mass mailing, which contained several pictures of totally nude women. > Due to a screw up in the mailing list, a large number of the mailers went > to family homes, with wives and kids and whatnot. No law was broken > in the mailing (unless one or more of the recipients had regestered with > the "no junk mail" agency). > Yes, but there are very strong penalties against hardcore pornography, kiddie porn etc being sent in the mail. If we were talking about simple nudity I don';t think there'd be much of an issue. I think the stuff paul was talking about was truly disgusting stuff without any merit or 'art' value. And I'm all for censoring shit like that too. > I think the basic argument here is that, if you choose to subscribe > to the Sun in the UK, you get a picture of a topless woman on Page 3, > and it's your responsibility to keep your kid from seeing it. Similarly, Totally agree here. Parents want to duck their responsibility and have the gov't do their job for them. If you're a parent you need to be extra careful to keep stuff like that from your kids. On the other hand, you can't be everywhere at once. It's impossible to screen everything that choldren see... > if you subscribe to an Internet service that advertises "all Newsgroups" > or whatever, it means you will get sexually explicit newsgroups, and > it's your responsibility to keep your kids away from those areas. > > Right! > > Also, I think it is a little disingenuous of you to point the finger at > > parents as being the sole raison d'etre behind the CDA. > > The "protect the children" call is the main rallying cry of the pro-CDA > forces, thus it is the main target of the anti-CDA forces :-). > True. The rabic pro-censorship types are into control. period. They often hide behind the issue of protecting children to disguise their own need to control the 'morality' of others they deem threatening to their precious turf. > > There are many ways to achieve this; as you suggest, such material could > > be flagged so that appropriate blocking software could detect and screen > > it. > > But there's no reason to get the government involved. Companies making > blocking software *hire* prople to surf the net, looking for obscene > web sites or whatnot for updates to their software. IMHO, some > monolithic ratings system imposed by a government would be much less > efficient, and probably squelch much of the fun, "I'm going to throw > up a web site about my pet goldfish" side of the net. > Yeah, and gov't ratings systems have gaping holes. Look at the arbitrary application of the film ratings [not a gov't body, I know]. Rating Internet stuff just creates another huge organ of bureauacracy of dubious value. > Also, having the US government step in runs into a major problem with > international boundries. Already, most of the really hard-core web > sites are in Europe, and most of the really, truely nasty stuff on > usenet comes through the Anon server in Finland. So you run into the > potential danger of actually doing more *harm* than good by US > government regulations. If the average interent user in America, > feels secure that the Government will keep their kids safe, they are > less likely to buy a blocking software package. Which means that there > won't be much of anything stopping their kids from accessing Sex > sites in Holland. > Again, parents willing to abandon their responsibility in favor of letting 'big brother' take care of things. We all need to be responsible ourselves. > > Or, prior age verification could be required for areas having adult > > content---this scheme is commonly used in adult BBSs (quite why people > > object to it being used on the Internet is a mystery to me). > > How do you mean, "age verification?" Just a "don't view if not > over 18" warning? Or a "send a copy of a driver's license" warning? > > I think the second is obviously impossible, and the first is only > possible with stuff like mailing lists and web sites. With usenet, > it's simply not an option, because there is no central distribution > mechanism--once I post, I have absolutely *no* control over where > the message ends up (*mabye* geographical distribution, but the > Distribution: header rarely works right). In any case, isn't a > newsgroup title like "alt.sex.bondage" warning enough? > > > Or, as is > > common with many specialist services, the user should pay to access it, > > and such payment would carry the burden of proper authentication. > > I don't know of any ISP that accepts payment in forms other than > Credit Cards or checks--the big hue and cry is over parents who buy > the account, then let their kids go hog wild with it. > > > I'm probably being grossly ignorant here so forgive me, but I believe > > congress doesn't "make" the law; it's left up to "local standards of > > decency" to define what is or is not obscene or prohibited. (At least > > that is how I remember it being explained to me.) It is for this reason > > that oral sex, for example, is illegal in certain states (or areas) in the > > U.S.A. but not in others. > You're right. 'Community standards' determine what is obscene. That's why porn shops here are in derelict sections of town where there is unlikely to be any lobbying against their presence. > But how do you define "community standards" on the Internet? About a > year ago, the Amateur Action BBS in California was shut down and its > operators arrested because a sheriff in Tenn. called the BBS up, > and found that it violated *his* community standards. Using that > as precedent, it appears that "community standards" means that the > standards are that of the most restrictive community that the internet > connects, which is more than a little problematic. I'd be more than > willing to bet that various BOC lyrics violate the community standards of > some Southern communities :-). > No idea how to approach that one! > Now, if "community standards" were applied in a slightly more logical > fashion on the net, there might not be as much of a problem--each > newsgroup or mailing list could be its own "community." Although > Web sites might still be a problem. > > -- > David Zeiger dzeiger at netcom.com > > Windows 95: The Dracula of Operating Systems--it sucks up all your > memory, bleeds your hard drive dry, and only works an average of > 12 hours out of every 24. > From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Mar 6 08:14:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:14:00 EST Subject: OFF: Cyber Sleaze Message-ID: >You seem to have fastidiously avoided the central point of my posting :-) >which is this: why should the Internet be allowed special, unlimited >access to certain types of material when the same is not true of this same >material outside of it? Seems to me that one difference is in the net one has to actively seek out the material, unlike an in your face bulletin board (real not virtual) notice. >A lot of "normal adults" are offended by pornography or extreme violence. Not >everyone likes to see pictures of cigarettes being stubbed out on dicks, >bound people having objects forcibly inserted into them, girls taking >donkeys up their asses, people eating shit, scenes of torture and >execution, and similar aesthetic delicacies. Certainly no redeeming social value. You don't happen to have the URLs? >Here in our own department, there was a case where a female student complained >because several male students repeatedly displayed pornographic images >obtained from usenet on workstation screens in a general access laboratory. She >found these images offensive, especially when taken together with the lurid >comments offered by the male students debating the merits of the respective images >amongst themselves. Paul, this is not a net problem, but with the guys who did it. There are other ways they could have done the same thing. My problem is that the responsibility for bad acts doesn't get put where it belongs. Deprive these guys of the net and they will find another way to do the same thing. Get on their case directly and maybe they will see their error and not repeat it. If not, poke out their eyes. >Arguments about the degrading effects upon society aside, the fact remains >that children lack the emotional maturity to process extreme material, >especially where it is presented in an unusual context. It is of benefit >to everyone, therefore, if we try and keep material deemed legally obscene >away from minors, and direct it towards those that enjoy it. I don't buy this argument any more than I do that TV violence induces real life violence. (BTW, I am a psychologist so I'm aware of the studies.) Kids find their way to printed materials and have for a long time. This is not new. European countries where porn is less regulated have lower incidences of rape and illegitimate births. >And if you think the possibility is remote, anyone remember when Netscape used to >have a link to "Bianca's Smut Shack" on their "What's Cool" page? :-) I do and the title was more lurid than the site. >I don't understand. Have you actually *seen* the cover of an adult video? >They're hardly discreet. I could never understand the strategically placed dot. To a kid or the morally distressed, it really can't make it tame. >Besides, I think the reason for the separate room is as much to avoid >embarrassment to the punters browsing that section than to bar minors. ;-) A lot of truth to that. Saw a "Hard Copy" story on porn addicts and they interviewed a minister who was hooked. He feared being recognized by his flock, but not enough to stop. >It is for this reason that oral sex, for example, is illegal in certain states (or areas) in the >U.S.A. but not in others. I live in MA and there are all sorts of old laws on the books that never get enforced except when there is an ulterior motive. There are automobile laws that date from horse days which restrict cars in the presence of a horse. These old obscenity laws pop up now and again to restrict gays or some other thing, but really aren't enforced or enforceable. My town bans adult videos, but the next town doesn't. How much of a problem is it to get them? The town fathers feel that they have a wholesome community anyway. >Besides, it seems sensible to me that people be held accountable when >they exercise their "right to free speech" by yelling "Fire!" in a >crowded auditorium. My point above. Here the person is punished, not the right revoked for everyone. >Unfortunately, there are some (e.g. those that abuse Internet anonymous remailers) >who want to enjoy the freedom but without the responsibility. I see this as a category error. In speech, we are going to hear it if we are in earshot. On the web, it has to be sought out. The active role is that of the viewer. >Most parents I know do not consider the job of raising children to be an easy one, but >nevertheless one filled with ultimate reward, and so well worth pursuing. But the road >is far from easy. I think most parents would agree that peer pressure is the biggest influence on kids. Some people want to blame Joe Camel for their kid's smoking. Forget that the group they want to hang with smokes and considers it a requirement, it's that cartoon that is the root of evil. Something that hasn't been mentioned in this chastising of the US for net censorship is that Germany has made the most waves of late in this area. >Any more followups from me will be via private e-mail, I promise. Honest, guvnor! Hope not, Paul. We'd miss your obCDs. Cheers, Rudy obCD: Queensryche "Operation Mindcrime" From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Mar 6 09:13:39 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:13:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Cyber Sleaze Message-ID: Um. I'm in two minds here, because I think this is really off-topic, but I'm quite interested in it as well... Surely the point about internet porn is that what was previously only available by jumping through lots of hoops might now be easily available to everybody - people that might never go into a porn shop for fear of being recognised, or whatever, can log onto alt.sex.with.animals and perv out to their hearts' content. Yes, you do still have to seek it out, but it's really easy to seek it out. Thus, the worry is that the internet might make pornography much more widespread. Now, many people (including me) feel that porn, especially of the hard-core kind, can do actual social harm, both to the users of porn, the families of users of porn, and also to the people (usually women) that are photographed for porn. (If you think that coercion isn't a normal part of procuring women (or children) for the sex industry, and it's just a freely undertaken transaction, then that's just naive.) Of course, the pornographers and their sympathisers are more than happy to defend their degrading practices by shouting "freedom of speech". This isn't what most people think of as freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in a constitutional context means, principally, being able to freely debate political or religious issues without fearing the knock on the door at 3 am. All countries have laws against libel and slander, for instance, as well as laws on the permissible content of advertisements and so on. I don't believe that such laws constitute "censorship" in any sinister sense. An interesting text is Michael Moorcock's essay "The Case against Pornography", in the _Casablanca_ collection (a-ha, some HW/BOC relevance!). BTW, I believe I may have broken the law in Georgia :) - Andy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Mar 6 09:11:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:11:00 EST Subject: HW: Q, S, & C EP Message-ID: This is a blast from the past, but I'm just getting caught up on back digests. Kevin Haskel Rubin wrote about the Quark, Strangeness, and Charm EP. Nowhere in the discussion of this disc did the song "Black Sun" crop up. This is certainly a good example of current HW music, even if the mixes of "Uncle Sams" are not. If that song doesn't intrigue you in any way, you may not like other HW, especially the real early stuff like _Space Ritual_. The title song is a great recent live version that is quite different from the original studio song. I really like both. I won't give my specific recommendations, except to say I'd favor live recordings over the studio ones. Rudy From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 6 09:15:32 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:15:32 GMT Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD In-Reply-To: Ted O. Jackson's message of Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:15:18 EST Message-ID: Ted O. Jackson writes: > Yes, but there are very strong penalties against hardcore > pornography, kiddie porn etc being sent in the mail. If we were > talking about simple nudity I don';t think there'd be much of an > issue. I think the stuff paul was talking about was truly disgusting > stuff without any merit or 'art' value. And I'm all for censoring > shit like that too. Fairny Nuff. However, if you accord yourself the right to censor someone else's "reading" choices then you have no moral ground to stand on if someone else decides to censor yours. That given, the odds are that' it'll be someone else censoring what you get to see and they may not like your viewing choices, reading choices, politics, religion, choice of football team, or whatever. It really is an all or nothing thing: once you give a politician the right to censor anything, you've condeded the principle that they can censor everything. > > I think the basic argument here is that, if you choose to subscribe > > to the Sun in the UK, you get a picture of a topless woman on Page 3, > > and it's your responsibility to keep your kid from seeing it. Similarly, > Totally agree here. Parents want to duck their responsibility and > have the gov't do their job for them. If you're a parent you need to > be extra careful to keep stuff like that from your kids. On the > other hand, you can't be everywhere at once. It's impossible to > screen everything that choldren see... So it;s tough being a parent? It's not compulsory. If folks figure the job is too difficult then they don't need to apply for the post. [...] > True. The rabic pro-censorship types are into control. period. They > often hide behind the issue of protecting children to disguise their > own need to control the 'morality' of others they deem threatening to > their precious turf. "They eat babies" is historically a rallying cry when one group is set to be marginalised. The end of the story varies between discrimination and out and out genocide. Whenever someone claims to be protecting children it's a sound idea to ask youself what they're really after. [...] > Yeah, and gov't ratings systems have gaping holes. Look at the > arbitrary application of the film ratings [not a gov't body, I know]. > Rating Internet stuff just creates another huge organ of bureauacracy > of dubious value. Do self-rating with penalties for those who get it clearly wrong. All we really need to worry about is someone deliberately rating something adult as suitable for juniors. > > > But how do you define "community standards" on the Internet? About a > > year ago, the Amateur Action BBS in California was shut down and its > > operators arrested because a sheriff in Tenn. called the BBS up, > > and found that it violated *his* community standards. Using that > > as precedent, it appears that "community standards" means that the > > standards are that of the most restrictive community that the internet > > connects, which is more than a little problematic. I'd be more than > > willing to bet that various BOC lyrics violate the community standards of > > some Southern communities :-). Some of the criticisms of government that have been posted here would get us *shot* in some places that have Internet access. I note that there's some international debate going on about applying laws extra-territorially. As usual the excuse for this is to protect the children (viz: the debate on child sex tourism to Thailand and the concept of applying laws in the Uk to behaviour of people in Thailand.) Anyone for an internet comprising the political tolerance of the chinese, the religious tolerance of the iranians, the sexual tolerance of the british, and the artistic tolerance of the french? > > David Zeiger dzeiger at netcom.com FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 6 09:32:34 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:32:34 GMT Subject: OFF: Cyber Sleaze In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:13:39 -0500 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > Um. I'm in two minds here, because I think this is really off-topic, but I'm > quite interested in it as well... As someone pointed out: if the internet is to be censored then it isn't off topic in any group on the internet. > Surely the point about internet porn is that what was previously only > available by jumping through lots of hoops might now be easily available to > everybody - people that might never go into a porn shop for fear of being > recognised, or whatever, can log onto alt.sex.with.animals and perv out to > their hearts' content. Yes, you do still have to seek it out, but it's > really easy to seek it out. Thus, the worry is that the internet might make > pornography much more widespread. Now, many people (including me) feel that > porn, especially of the hard-core kind, can do actual social harm, both to > the users of porn, the families of users of porn, and also to the people > (usually women) that are photographed for porn. What kind of harm and what evidence do you have for this apart from a feeling? We can hardly be justified telling people how to run their lives based only on feelings. > (If you think that coercion > isn't a normal part of procuring women (or children) for the sex industry, > and it's just a freely undertaken transaction, then that's just naive.) As far as children are concerned, they cannot give consent and therefore any child porn is evidence of a crime. It's already illegal pretty much everywhere. Why would we need a new law for the Internet? As far as adults are concenred. Coercion is illegal and can be actioned in Court. Still no need for a new law. As for coercion being standard in the sex industry, I've recently been in touch with a woman who worked in the sex industry for years and she claims that while it exists, it is rare, at least in western countries. > Of course, the pornographers and their sympathisers are more than happy to > defend their degrading practices by shouting "freedom of speech". This isn't > what most people think of as freedom of speech. Nevertheless it's still freedom of speech. > Freedom of speech in a > constitutional context means, principally, being able to freely debate > political or religious issues without fearing the knock on the door at 3 am. It applies to more than just debate. Check Supreme Court rulings in America or Court rulings elsewhere if you doubt this. > All countries have laws against libel and slander, for instance, Those are laws which cover recompense for someone exercising their right to freedom of speech in a way which harms others. I'm very much in favour of freedom *and* responsibility. Where it can be proved that making or viewing porn has harmed anyone but the creators or viewers, I'd be in favour of them taking their case to Court. The law doesn't need to be any more strict than that. > I don't believe > that such laws constitute "censorship" in any sinister sense. Nope. However saying that certain things ain't allowed, rather than that they'll be prosecuted *if* they cause harm, *is* censorship. > An interesting text is Michael Moorcock's essay "The Case against > Pornography", in the _Casablanca_ collection (a-ha, some HW/BOC relevance!). Maybe I should read that. > - Andy FoFP From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 6 09:33:24 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:33:24 EST Subject: OFF: Cyber Sleaze Message-ID: > I don't buy this argument any more than I do that TV violence induces real > life violence. (BTW, I am a psychologist so I'm aware of the studies.) > Kids find their way to printed materials and have for a long time. This > is not new. European countries where porn is less regulated have lower > incidences of rape and illegitimate births. > Well, you and Arnold Schwarzenegger agree on that one. 'Course if they proves violent movies induced violence, then he'd be out of business. But seriously, I think you may be in error on one count. I believe that there is a rather high incidence of illegitimate births in Europe. Not that that really bothers me... theo> From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Mar 6 09:58:15 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:58:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: GONG Message-ID: I saw GONG at the Bottom Line in NYC last night. I was at both shows, which sold out. NO Tim Blake. Steffi Sharpstrings played both quitar and synths and sequencers. The sequenced bits were few and far between. Both shows were excellent!!! or in the words of a fellow boc-ler extremely BLISSFUL:-). Don't miss this show if it comes to a venue near you. Does anyone have any info on Sharpstring's band-Here and Now? regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Mar 6 10:00:32 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:00:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Dates? Message-ID: Can anyone post the known dates for any HW activity in the next few months. regards, Bill Stewart From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Mar 6 11:23:29 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:23:29 +0000 Subject: charmed ME-262 called ? In-Reply-To: <28D18336CC6@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > I noticed today whilst looking at the cover from 'Secret Treaties' > that the fuselage markings on the ME-262 on the cover read: 'PL- > 01.'And, in 'Del Rio's Song,' there is reference to 'my ship is > charmed, and called pultonium.' Actually, the lyric is from Magna of Illusion, and isn't Plutonium, but Plutonia. Isn't Desdinova mentioned on the insert sleeve to Secret Treaties? I think Desdinova is mentioned as an emissary from somewhere or other? Dave From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Wed Mar 6 11:42:48 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:42:48 -0800 Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD Message-ID: >I'm probably being grossly ignorant here so forgive me, but I believe >congress doesn't "make" the law; it's left up to "local standards of >decency" to define what is or is not obscene or prohibited. (At least >that is how I remember it being explained to me.) It is for this reason >that oral sex, for example, is illegal in certain states (or areas) in the >U.S.A. but not in others. You're not grossly ignorant, but somewhat misinformed. The local standards (anyplace in the Confederacy, for example)are often fascistic, racist, homophobic, sexist (all rolled up into one big bubba ball) in nature. What a bunch of prudish schoolmarms can't handle covers a lot of ground and I'm sick SICK of being held to the lowest common denominator's standards. I don't want everything I read being filtered through the 'save the children' sieve. Most, if not all of the stuff that everybody whines about on the net being obscene is already illegal anyway (child porn, &c...) The FBI has just been given power to wiretap, infiltrate and generally use whatever KGB methods are required to catch anybody doing anything at anytime. So why isn't that good enough for the prudes? It won't be good enough for them until everyone is in the moral straightjacket of Victorian times and you'll see some incredible sexual neuroses then, I assure you. The government is run by control freaks who are egged on by nosy neighbor special interest groups who want to tax the other guy, read the other guy's mail, and and generally make sure that hippy down the block comes to his senses. Death to Fascism and Up with naked babes!!!! "Freedom is always against the law." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Mar 6 12:44:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:44:00 EST Subject: OFF: Cyber Sleaze 2, the compilation Message-ID: > But seriously, I think you may be in error on one count. >I believe that there is a rather high incidence of illegitimate >births in Europe. Not that that really bothers me... theo, I don't have the reference at hand, but it can be easily verified. US teenage girls have the highest illegitimacy rate in the industrialized world. That puts a few qualifiers on things too. The point I was trying to make it that protection from indecent material, like the banning of drugs, has not produced the intended benefit in the US. This includes the sex education that will give them ideas. >BTW, I believe I may have broken the law in Georgia :) Andy, knowing the Georgia obscenity laws somewhat, I'll bet you have and I'll bet I know which one. :-O >The government is run by control freaks who are egged on by nosy neighbor >special interest groups who want to tax the other guy, read the other guy's >mail, and and generally make sure that hippy down the block comes to his >senses. Hey, I represent that remark! Unfortunately, it has a lot of truth. There are those that are fighting from within too. >I'm sick SICK of being held to the lowest common denominator's standards. >I don't want everything I read being filtered through the 'save the >children' sieve. That is the real issue. The people who want to limit things just can't accept thoughts or actions that don't mirror their own. That is what makes them bad. As FoFP indicated, once the camel's nose in the tent of censorship is accepted, you get more than you bargained for. obHW: It is written ... that man's truth is a mirage Rudy From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Mar 6 13:17:42 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:17:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Anybody know these bands In-Reply-To: <199603051659.LAA20727@dogberry> from "Stephen Lindsey" at Mar 5, 96 11:59:36 am Message-ID: Hi Folks: I was just searching through a mail order catalogue, looking for interesting things I didn't know about previously. There were descriptions of the style next to each disc title, and here are some that seemed reasonably interesting. Anyone familiar with them?? Afterglow Andwellas Dream Ghostly Medley Guru Guru -- I know that this is a "Krautrock" band, right?? Mynd Music Omina Opera -- these two I have Nick Riff -- heard of before Shiva Burlesque Tear Gas Any recommendations??? Thanks....Keith H. From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Mar 6 14:31:56 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:31:56 -0500 Subject: charmed ME-262 called ? Message-ID: >On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > >> I noticed today whilst looking at the cover from 'Secret Treaties' >> that the fuselage markings on the ME-262 on the cover read: 'PL- >> 01.'And, in 'Del Rio's Song,' there is reference to 'my ship is >> charmed, and called pultonium.' > >Actually, the lyric is from Magna of Illusion, and isn't Plutonium, but >Plutonia. Isn't Desdinova mentioned on the insert sleeve to Secret >Treaties? I think Desdinova is mentioned as an emissary from somewhere or >other? "Rossignol's curious, albeit simply titled book, the 'Origins of a World War', spoke in terms of secret treaties, drawn up between the Ambasadors from Plutonia and Desdinova, the foreign minister. These treaties founded a secret science from the stars. Astronomy. The career of evil." There. Call me Desdinova.. Hmmm nova = new, I wonder what the origin for the rest of the name yields... (for example, if I'm not mistaken, Casanova translates somewhat as "newhouse", but also somewhat as "newlywed", since in spanish the word for marry and house are the same "casar", to marry, and "casa", house... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Wed Mar 6 15:11:34 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:11:34 -0600 Subject: charmed ME-262 called ? In-Reply-To: <199603061931.OAA10392@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Mar 6, 96 02:31:56 pm Message-ID: > Call me Desdinova.. Hmmm nova = new, I wonder what the origin for the rest > of the name yields... (for example, if I'm not mistaken, Casanova > translates somewhat as "newhouse", but also somewhat as "newlywed", since in > spanish the word for marry and house are the same "casar", to marry, and > "casa", house... It was always my understanding that Desdinova translates essentially to "Eternal Light". 'Desd' i think relates to time (i.e., destiny, etc.) and 'nova' can also be interpreted in terms of illumination if I'm not mistaken. -Bryan From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Wed Mar 6 10:10:24 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:10:24 GMT Subject: OFF: Cyber Sleaze Message-ID: Andy wrote: > Um. I'm in two minds here, because I think this is really off-topic, but I'm > quite interested in it as well... I have the same feeling :-) > Now, many people (including me) feel that porn, especially of the > hard-core kind, can do actual social harm, both to the users of porn, > the families of users of porn, and also to the people (usually women) > that are photographed for porn. I would tend to agree with this, although the argument is, like most aspects of human behaviour, impossible to prove one way or the other. We all KNOW that advertising works, who has not gone out and bought something that they don't need merely because an advert has created a desire. I feel that porn, and violence, in films/pictures works in a similar way. They are harmful to the majority but a minority use them to legitimise their world view and as an encouragement to act. Youngsters whose ideas are unformed and whose desires are driven by a mass of seething hormones must be particularly susceptible here. > (If you think that coercion > isn't a normal part of procuring women (or children) for the sex industry, > and it's just a freely undertaken transaction, then that's just naive.) As an aside, wouldn't radical Marxists argue that we're all coerced by the capitalist system? > Of course, the pornographers and their sympathisers are more than happy to > defend their degrading practices by shouting "freedom of speech". Constitutional guarantees of reedom of speech are restricted to a few countries. In the American context they guarantee religious and political tolerance, although interestingly it seems not for Marxists (c.f. McCarthy). > political or religious issues without fearing the knock on the door at 3 am. Within certain politically acceptable boundaries ... > An interesting text is Michael Moorcock's essay "The Case against > Pornography", in the _Casablanca_ collection (a-ha, some HW/BOC relevance!). To be read with the reminder that MM is very influenced by Andrea Dworkin. AD has said many interesting and useful things but she is not a liberal on this one and I would tend to take anything she says or influences with a pinch of salt. FoFP wrote: > It really is an all or nothing thing: > once you give a politician the right to censor anything, you've condeded > the principle that they can censor everything. Oh come on Mike! Calm down and get real!! In the UK there is a ban on the advertising of tobacco products on TV and a code which prevents the tobacco barons advertising there products near schools. Is this really the first step on the road to a totalitarian dictatorship? Though not. > So it;s tough being a parent? It's not compulsory. If folks figure the > job is too difficult then they don't need to apply for the post. Didn't know you had to apply! For many people it just happens, they don't plan to have children and have less training and preparation than they do to cross the road! Expecting the majority of people to provide quality parenting and perfect control AND expecting them to keep abreast of technological changes such as the internet is expecting too much. Someone else (sorry I deleted it) wrote about obscene materials and the postal service. Here in the UK it is illegal to send unsolicited *adult* material through the post. Change the word *internet* to *postal service* in FoFP's following comment: > Anyone for an internet comprising the political tolerance of the > chinese, the religious tolerance of the iranians, the sexual tolerance > of the british, and the artistic tolerance of the french? Censorship of the internet will not lead to the end of the world. Right I'm going to self-censor myself out of this debate but will be happy to continue off-line. Chris p.s. Mike: has your politics list started yet? From FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG Wed Mar 6 15:22:46 1996 From: FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG (DAVID FURST) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:22:46 CST Subject: Desdinova Message-ID: A friend of mine looked up desdinova - found it to be a corruption (of course) of the Latin phrase Dais De Nova which translate to "a new day" I'm not sure about the accuracy of the Latin spelling, but it's close enough. Return of Mr. Boy obcd: Jack Frost's Snow Job (Steve Kilbey of the Church and Gran McLennon of go-betweens. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Mar 6 16:25:49 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:25:49 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: charmed ME-262 called ? Message-ID: In a message dated 06/03/96 19:34:37, you write: >Call me Desdinova.. Hmmm nova = new, I wonder what the origin for the rest >of the name yields... (for example, if I'm not mistaken, Casanova >translates somewhat as "newhouse", but also somewhat as "newlywed", since in >spanish the word for marry and house are the same "casar", to marry, and >"casa", house... In the _Imaginos_ notes, it says: "their agent unleashed to forge a new destiny; he is Imaginos called Desdinova". The association of "Desdinova" with "new destiny" looks, well, obvious... - Andy From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Mar 6 16:33:50 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:33:50 -0500 Subject: Desdinova Message-ID: >A friend of mine looked up desdinova - found it to be a corruption (of course) >of the Latin phrase Dais De Nova which translate to "a new day" I'm not sure >about the accuracy of the Latin spelling, but it's close enough. > Now that makes much more sense. Hmmm Dais... With a bit of manipulation, you could sub in "Deus de nova", or "a new god"... and Pearlman wrote that when Jack Kirby's "fourth world" new gods series was coming out... hmmmm nah, I don't think so. They were far to benevolent (with one exception) to be what Pearlman had in mind... Still, "a new god" kinda fits nicely with an ascension theme... (even Flaming Telepaths?) +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Mar 6 16:33:48 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:33:48 -0500 Subject: charmed ME-262 called ? Message-ID: >> Call me Desdinova.. Hmmm nova = new, I wonder what the origin for the rest >> of the name yields... (for example, if I'm not mistaken, Casanova >> translates somewhat as "newhouse", but also somewhat as "newlywed", since in >> spanish the word for marry and house are the same "casar", to marry, and >> "casa", house... > >It was always my understanding that Desdinova translates essentially >to "Eternal Light". 'Desd' i think relates to time (i.e., destiny, etc.) >and 'nova' can also be interpreted in terms of illumination if I'm >not mistaken. The latin root for "light" would be "luce", (as in "lucifer" = lightbringer, 'Lucifer, the light...'). Perhaps 'New Destiny', though I have my doubts. Destiny would probably get its word from one of the fates... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Mar 6 18:13:08 1996 From: matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Matt Curtis) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:13:08 +1100 Subject: OFF: cloning technology Message-ID: Kinda HW, kinda OFF: I heard on the radio this morning that in the UK they've succesfully cloned a sheep. Fascinating, whichever way you look at it.. Apparently it's the first time they've had success cloning mammals. What's next? -matt "Everything it bleats is in the same tone..." -- matt at pcmicro.com.au, citizen #61385872341, session zombie (R) IMPENDING DOOM HAS ARRIVED page 1 of 1 pages From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Mar 6 18:20:27 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:20:27 -0500 Subject: HW: Anybody know these bands Message-ID: In a message dated 06/03/96 18:26:43, you write: >Guru Guru -- I know that this is a "Krautrock" band, right?? Indeed - Julian Cope calls them a "psychedelic power trio", and recommends _UFO_: "riffs grind out like Kraut-Sabbath..." Other records include _Hinten_, _Kan-Guru_, and _Guru Guru_. All described by Cope as "remarkable and charming in a curious and interesting way". NB I'm just reporting from Copey - I don't believe I've ever heard them myself! :) But he's often sound where I can compare him with what I do know... - Andy From des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM Wed Mar 6 20:41:44 1996 From: des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM (E F) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:41:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: cloning technology In-Reply-To: <199603062312.KAA18980@burwood.pcmicro.com.au> from "Matt Curtis" at Mar 7, 96 10:13:08 am Message-ID: > > Kinda HW, kinda OFF: > > I heard on the radio this morning that in the UK they've succesfully cloned a > sheep. > > Fascinating, whichever way you look at it.. Apparently it's the first time > they've had success cloning mammals. What's next? > > -matt "Everything it bleats is in the same tone..." > > > -- > matt at pcmicro.com.au, citizen #61385872341, session zombie > (R) IMPENDING DOOM HAS ARRIVED page 1 of 1 pages > I rememeber hearing an old sketch comedy piece one done as an advertisement, it went something like this: "Ladies and Gentelman, Ronco brings you the home cloning kit. A complete do it yourself kit for personal cloning. Buy one today and be the first on your block to be second." --EF From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Mar 6 20:59:17 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:59:17 +1100 Subject: OFF: Cyber Sleaze Message-ID: On 6 Mar 96 M Holmes wrote about Re: OFF: Cyber Sleaze: > I've recently been in touch with a woman who worked in the sex > industry for years Now that's a dangerous statement to make ;^) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Mar 7 01:37:15 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 00:37:15 -0600 Subject: OFF: cloning technology In-Reply-To: <199603070141.UAA29047@ritz.mordor.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, E F wrote: > I rememeber hearing an old sketch comedy piece one done as an > advertisement, it went something like this: > What a great idea for my .sig!!! Thanks, and I just thought I'd warn you. :) Damon Capehart | Time to change my .sig again... dcapehar at utdallas.edu | Any suggestions? (nevermind.) :) From des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM Thu Mar 7 01:43:12 1996 From: des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM (E F) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 01:43:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: cloning technology In-Reply-To: from "Le Monsieur Damon" at Mar 7, 96 00:37:15 am Message-ID: > > On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, E F wrote: > > I rememeber hearing an old sketch comedy piece one done as an > > advertisement, it went something like this: > > > > What a great idea for my .sig!!! Thanks, and I just thought I'd warn > you. :) > > Damon Capehart | Time to change my .sig again... > dcapehar at utdallas.edu | Any suggestions? > (nevermind.) :) > I look forward to reading it. 8-) Enjoy, --EF From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Thu Mar 7 03:50:47 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 03:50:47 EST Subject: 1980 HW help Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 07/03/96 08.50 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Hi, Remember a while ago there was a lot of discussion regarding a Treforest gig in 1980? Well I've another question which MAY cause further confusion. I've recently heard a tape labelled as: Pilton: Worthy Farm 5.11.80. OK, so this date is clearly wrong, HOWEVER it does definitely sound like an outdoors/festival event due to the type of crowd noise and soom of the stage banter. The track list is :- a. Lev/M.City/D.Trap/Shot/Psychosis/Instr/5th Sec/Dust b. World/U.Guerilla/S.Chase/War?/PSI/Brainstorm The main easily identifing part of the tape is between M.City & Death Trap when Dave talks about Ginger "getting old" & Ginger saying he's "gotta go off soon, for a piss". Lack of New Jerusalem implies post Blake, but then again lack of D.Visions also implies no Hale. Anybody able to shed some light on this? Cheers, (in hope) Jez. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 7 05:57:17 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:57:17 GMT Subject: 1980 HW help In-Reply-To: Jeremy Dacombe's message of Thu, 7 Mar 1996 03:50:47 EST Message-ID: Jeremy Dacombe writes: > --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 07/03/96 08.50 > -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET > > Hi, > Remember a while ago there was a lot of discussion regarding a > Treforest gig in 1980? > Well I've another question which MAY cause further confusion. > > I've recently heard a tape labelled as: > Pilton: Worthy Farm 5.11.80. > OK, so this date is clearly wrong, HOWEVER it does definitely > sound like an outdoors/festival event due to the type of crowd > noise and soom of the stage banter. Well eagle-eyed brits will notice that this is Guy Fawkes Day and a not unlikely source of an outdoor event. Could check the newspaper archives to see what events were advertised. > Jez. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 7 05:54:36 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:54:36 GMT Subject: OFF: Cyber Sleaze In-Reply-To: Chris Bates's message of Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:10:24 GMT Message-ID: Chris Bates writes: > Andy wrote: > > Now, many people (including me) feel that porn, especially of the > > hard-core kind, can do actual social harm, both to the users of porn, > > the families of users of porn, and also to the people (usually women) > > that are photographed for porn. > > I would tend to agree with this, although the argument is, like most aspects > of human behaviour, impossible to prove one way or the other. We all KNOW > that advertising works, who has not gone out and bought something that they > don't need merely because an advert has created a desire. I feel that porn, > and violence, in films/pictures works in a similar way. They are harmful > to the majority but a minority use them to legitimise their world view and > as an encouragement to act. Youngsters whose ideas are unformed and whose > desires are driven by a mass of seething hormones must be particularly > susceptible here. It sounds plausible until you check the evidence. Even studies which have had the political aim of proving some bad effects of porn have failed to do so. Also when scandinavian countries liberalised their pornography laws, both the incidence of sex crimes and of unwanted teenage pregnancies, declined significantly. > > (If you think that coercion > > isn't a normal part of procuring women (or children) for the sex industry, > > and it's just a freely undertaken transaction, then that's just naive.) > > As an aside, wouldn't radical Marxists argue that we're all coerced by > the capitalist system? They redefine "coercion" in much the same way that Smith Uni. Activists redefine rape. > FoFP wrote: > > > It really is an all or nothing thing: > > once you give a politician the right to censor anything, you've condeded > > the principle that they can censor everything. > > Oh come on Mike! Calm down and get real!! In the UK there is a ban on > the advertising of tobacco products on TV and a code which prevents the > tobacco barons advertising there products near schools. Is this really > the first step on the road to a totalitarian dictatorship? It's conceded the principle that we now only get to read or watch what the government *permits* us to rather than deciding for ourselves. The start of a dictatorship? Not necessarily, but it makes for a pretty convenient setup should one happen by. > > So it;s tough being a parent? It's not compulsory. If folks figure the > > job is too difficult then they don't need to apply for the post. > > Didn't know you had to apply! For many people it just happens Check out Biology 101. For almost everyone, it happens only after sex. > they don't > plan to have children and have less training and preparation than they > do to cross the road! If the problem is an educational one then let's tackle it by education rather than censorship. > Expecting the majority of people to provide > quality parenting and perfect control AND expecting them to keep abreast > of technological changes such as the internet is expecting too much. They don't need to keep up with the technology, just with the products available to help parents. That's no harder than figuring out that a pram or a bottle sterilising kit might be useful. Kidie-ISP's will advertise. > Someone else (sorry I deleted it) wrote about obscene materials and the > postal service. Here in the UK it is illegal to send unsolicited > *adult* material through the post. Change the word *internet* to > *postal service* in FoFP's following comment: I wouldn't mind if the *State* postal service was fussy about what it carried *provided* that it wasn't awarded a legal monopoly and others could take their requirements elsewhere. > > Anyone for an internet comprising the political tolerance of the > > chinese, the religious tolerance of the iranians, the sexual tolerance > > of the british, and the artistic tolerance of the french? > > Censorship of the internet will not lead to the end of the world. Nope. It won't even *work* > > Chris > p.s. Mike: has your politics list started yet? The folks at my site are still mounting majordomo software :-( FoFP From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Mar 7 07:45:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 07:45:00 EST Subject: HW: Another covers entry? Message-ID: Last night's Gong gig had a local opening act by the name of Architectural Metaphor. They did an interesting extended version (5 to 8 min., maybe even more) of "Welcome to the Future." Is there room and/or interest to add this to the HW covers tape? It is not your father's "Silver Machine"! The tape of it is very good quality. Rudy From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 7 08:26:22 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:26:22 GMT Subject: 1980 HW help In-Reply-To: Jeremy Dacombe's message of Thu, 7 Mar 1996 03:50:47 EST Message-ID: > Hi, > Remember a while ago there was a lot of discussion regarding a > Treforest gig in 1980? > Well I've another question which MAY cause further confusion. > > I've recently heard a tape labelled as: > Pilton: Worthy Farm 5.11.80. > OK, so this date is clearly wrong, HOWEVER it does definitely > sound like an outdoors/festival event due to the type of crowd > noise and soom of the stage banter. > > Anybody able to shed some light on this? yep - I've got that one and have been told it's actually St. Albans. Haven't had a chance to investigate further tho'. Isn't it the same date as the disputed Treforest? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Mar 7 10:49:04 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:49:04 EST Subject: HW: Another covers entry? Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Mar 1996 07:45:00 EST you wrote: >Last night's Gong gig had a local opening act by the name of Architectural >Metaphor. They did an interesting extended version (5 to 8 min., maybe even >more) of "Welcome to the Future." Is there room and/or interest to add this >to the HW covers tape? It is not your father's "Silver Machine"! The >tape of it is very good quality. Just out of curiosity - what was the lineup for Gong and did any other bands play? Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Mar 7 11:14:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:14:00 EST Subject: Other: Gong, can't go wrong! Message-ID: The Boston Gong gig was mighty fine, especially given the conditions. Scott was told that the band was a bit spent. We had a real sleet/snow storm underway and they did 2 shows the night before in NYC. There were only about 50-80 at the show, but most were hard core fans. 2 guys there were from Miami and interrupted a ski holiday to catch the festivities. The sound at Mama Kin is very clean and Gong played at just the right volume. The softest passage and the hardest beat came through great. They covered that entire range too. I couldn't even attempt a set list, but Gong was on for about 1:50 and left everybody very happy. One fellow there said they played every favorite that he wanted to hear. Even scat in French for the cunning linguists. > Just out of curiosity - what was the lineup for Gong and did any other >bands play? They announced each member before the encore, so I could check my tape and post later (no Blake for sure). Or maybe Scott can fill this in. There was an opening act, Architectural Metaphor. A local space rock outfit that did 1 HW cover in their set, but not touring with Gong. What you see at any given venue will be a unique experience. I can't see how you'll be disappointed. Tea anyone? Rudy From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Mar 7 11:50:31 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:50:31 GMT Subject: 1980 HW help Message-ID: > Hi, > Remember a while ago there was a lot of discussion regarding a > Treforest gig in 1980? > Well I've another question which MAY cause further confusion. > > I've recently heard a tape labelled as: > Pilton: Worthy Farm 5.11.80. > OK, so this date is clearly wrong, HOWEVER it does definitely > sound like an outdoors/festival event due to the type of crowd > noise and soom of the stage banter. > The track list is :- > Well for those who don't know, Worthy Farm near Pilton is the site for the Glastonbury festival. For the last 4 or 5 years in September/October Michael Eavis has been doing small gigs in a Marquee in one of his fields which is used to raise money for local charities as a thank you for help with the main festival. It is advertised on a local basis and as I used to live in the West Country I've been to two of these events. I've seen the Ozrics there along with other bands such as Gary Clail, Ocean Colour Scene and last year (which I missed unfortunately) the Stone Roses played a secret gig. If he's been doing these extra gigs for some time then that could account for this tape. bye - Rob ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rob Stuckey | "The real lost souls don't wear their hair Brighton | long and play guitars. They have crew cuts, England | trained minds, sign on for research into | biological warfare and don't give their etlrbsy at etlxdmx.ericsson.se | parents a moment's worry." - J.B.Priestly ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If anything I've said is my company's policy, I'd be very surprised!!! From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Mar 7 11:59:14 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:59:14 EST Subject: OFF: ArchMet Message-ID: Rudy mentioned that Archetectural Metaphor opened for Gong last night. You may remember these guys from their version of "Sonic Attack" that appeared on their (only?) release 'Odysseum Galacti'. I have a tape dub of 'O.G.', and have been casually looking for a copy of this on CD. Does anybody out their have more info on availability of ArchMet CD(s)? Or perhaps an old copy they would like to trade? I understand that this ArchMet has gone through several membership changes, and that the group that recorded 'O.G.' is not the same as the current line-up. Any further data on that one? ObHWreference: ArchMet also opened for HW on one or more of their recent USA tours, if I remember right. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObJam: "Sunstroke", Sundial from 'Return Journey' From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Mar 7 12:27:56 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:27:56 +0100 Subject: 1980 HW help Message-ID: Hi Jeremy > I've recently heard a tape labelled as: > Pilton: Worthy Farm 5.11.80. I think It is the same as ST ALBANS or/and TREFOREST You are really sure that it sounds like open air? Bernhard From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Mar 7 12:40:55 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:40:55 EST Subject: Other: Gong, can't go wrong! Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:14:00 EST Rudy wrote: >> Just out of curiosity - what was the lineup for Gong and did any other >>bands play? > >They announced each member before the encore, so I could check my tape and >post later (no Blake for sure). Or maybe Scott can fill this in. There >was an opening act, Architectural Metaphor. A local space rock outfit that >did 1 HW cover in their set, but not touring with Gong. What you see at any >given venue will be a unique experience. I can't see how you'll be >disappointed. I've heard and like Architectural Metaphor. I was mainly curious about anyone else touring with them - I thought I saw a list of some of the bands that were playing somewhere with them and I'd love to see a few of them. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Mar 7 12:18:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:18:00 EST Subject: HWish: Arch Met Message-ID: >Does anybody out their have more info on > availability of ArchMet CD(s)? Or perhaps an old copy they would > like to trade? They mentioned something about a new one coming out last night. Unfortunately, it was shortly after I realized the churning synth song they were cranking out was "Welcome To The Future" and my head was buzzing (set finale). I'll have to check my tape (I need to put that on tape) for details. I'm now motivated to scout around for their stuff and they are local. Rudy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 7 14:43:44 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 19:43:44 +0000 Subject: OFF: ArchMet In-Reply-To: <9603071159.A14013@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Mar 7, 96 11:59:14 am Message-ID: > Rudy mentioned that Archetectural Metaphor opened for Gong last > night. You may remember these guys from their version of "Sonic > Attack" that appeared on their (only?) release 'Odysseum Galacti'. > I have a tape dub of 'O.G.', and have been casually looking for a > copy of this on CD. Does anybody out their have more info on > availability of ArchMet CD(s)? Or perhaps an old copy they would > like to trade? > I understand that this ArchMet has gone through several membership > changes, and that the group that recorded 'O.G.' is not the same as > the current line-up. Any further data on that one? > ObHWreference: ArchMet also opened for HW on one or more of their > recent USA tours, if I remember right. All of this is correct. ArchMet recorded their _OG_ with Chris Bruce (a minor miracle in itself! ;) with a fuller lineup--someone who I believe used to play guitar or bass with them has cropped up doing photography at various Hawkwind and Nikwind gigs. In fact I believe the photos in the Nikwind _SR 1994_ CD are largely from this bloke. Can't remember his name, but I remember cringing as he claimed responsibility for the Nikwind photos to members of HW at the New Haven gig last spring (clearly, he was not aware of the "difficulties" between NW and HW at the time ;) As far as I know, the CD is still available, though I don't know how widely its distributed. I was given my copy by Deb, the drummer, which she foolishly gave me in return for a copy of the demo tape of my then band Ossian's Ride. I tried to warn her, but ... ;) Scott Heller has, I think, some contact with the ArchMet folks and may be able to steer you towards a CD. > ObJam: "Sunstroke", Sundial from 'Return Journey' BTW, the last update from Freak Emporium claimed they had one remaining copy of this on CD. Anyone who wants it should email Ivor instantly, before its too late (if it isn't already!) ... Cheers, Carl From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Mar 7 15:16:16 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:16:16 +0100 Subject: Timeless Paens From the Ongoing Rituals of Space Message-ID: hi folks, listen right now on this new boot; "Sonic Attac" is the current track. this is the RCA version, which has a short glimpse of Edward Grieg's "Hall of the Mountain King" in it. Cool! cover is a potpurri of different beings that's on various main release covers, a la Sabbaths "Live Evil" - the green lizard/snake from s/t is shaking hands with Alien, the creature from the first _MotU_ is there, Space Ritual Woman, Space Bandit creature, even the three Inkas(?) from the Nova Drive has joined us. Elric, Joker at the Gate(?) and the Choose Your Masques dude is holding a Doremi logo, all in a Warrior of the Edge of Time Lanscape under one of the Red Suns. This time is no doubt it's a CD-recordable. It's a 74 mins Mitsiu CD-R of the long live gold dye. The Nova poem "Psychedelic Warlords are in Search of Space..." is here too, but this time it's on the inside of the jewel case, behind the CD-R. Somewhat I think the track choice is better on the Nova, you have more odd tracks there - like "(Only) the Dead Dreams..." and the "Nova" itself. Here you've the Space Ritual standards (yes I know, blasphemy!) and almost nothing else... yes, one more thing - it sounds like the manufacturer has quality problems, rumour says some disks is partly distorted - and I'm listening to one right now with some real *nasty* cracks and sparkles :0( over and out, \\joe From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Mar 7 15:25:47 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:25:47 -0500 Subject: OTHER: Amon Duul 2 - Live in London 1996 Message-ID: Oh yes! Amon Duul 2 are at the Astoria on April 19th! I presume it'll be the _Nada Moonshine #_ line-up - i.e., just about everyone important except John Weinzierl. - Andy From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Mar 7 16:34:30 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:34:30 EST Subject: HW: Glastonbury on CD Message-ID: While looking thru a new catalog from an Import/Boot CD dealer that I have used, I came across the following under "Arriving Shortly": 2CD Grateful Dead/Bowie/Hawkwind "Glastonbury Festival - The First Concert" (BUCAN BUC 029) $26.00 Could this be an official release of the famed Glastonbury 3LP? Or even just a CD boot taken direct from the LPs? I'd appreciate any info, in case I should jump all over this deal. The BUCAN is an abbreviation for the CD-maker; anyone familiar with a possible company name? Perhaps Buccaneer? BTW, they also listed the following off-topic item, same category: 1CD Kyuss "Desert Heavies" Rome 21 Feb 1995 (INSEC IST 98) $17.00 The "Arriving Shortly" claims in stock by end of February - NOW! Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Mar 7 19:39:54 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 19:39:54 -0500 Subject: OTHER: Amon Duul 2 - Live in London 1996 In-Reply-To: <960307152546_344132485@emout07.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Mar 7, 96 03:25:47 pm Message-ID: Andy writes: > > Oh yes! Amon Duul 2 are at the Astoria on April 19th! > > I presume it'll be the _Nada Moonshine #_ line-up - i.e., just about everyone > important except John Weinzierl. Wow....boy would I love to see ADII, probably my second favourite band of all-time, behind HW of course. Last year there was a rumour that they may be interested in coming to the US in the near future...anybody heard anything? Is this London gig part of a UK/Europe tour, or just a one-off thing?? Seeing Gong Saturday and the possibility of ADII touring here is making '96 a banner year already. I liked Nada Moonshine # quite a lot, although there were a few tracks that I strongly dislike. But much of it has a feel similar to Hijack, but with a little "techno-ish" updating to the 90's (the down side, IMHO). But 'Speed inside my Shoes', and 'Castenada da Dream' (?) are real winners. Now if we could just get HW, Gong, ADII, Ozrics, etc. to form a "festival tour" together, we could all rejoice! Keith H. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Mar 7 20:25:49 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:25:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Glastonbury on CD In-Reply-To: <9603071634.A14028@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: Captain Cloud wrote: > While looking thru a new catalog from an Import/Boot CD dealer that > I have used, I came across the following under "Arriving Shortly": > > 2CD Grateful Dead/Bowie/Hawkwind "Glastonbury Festival - The > First Concert" (BUCAN BUC 029) $26.00 > > Could this be an official release of the famed Glastonbury 3LP? Or > even just a CD boot taken direct from the LPs? I'd appreciate any > info, in case I should jump all over this deal. The BUCAN is an > abbreviation for the CD-maker; anyone familiar with a possible > company name? Perhaps Buccaneer? I saw a listing of the Glastonbury CD at least three years ago, from various distribution sources. I even think it was on Buccaneer, too. I don't think this is a legit release. Anyways, I passed on it. Sorry I can't be of more help. But it's unlikely this is a "new" release (maybe a new re-re-release:). Btw, did anyone see the film that was made of the first(?) Glastonbury Festival? I recall seeing it on Channel 4 years ago. Don't recall Hawkwind, but do remember The Crazy World of Arthur Brown and, I think, Gong appearing in it. Cheers, Paul. obKaraokeForTheBrave: Jeff Healey Band, "Communication Breakdown", _Cover to Cover_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Mar 7 20:26:55 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:26:55 -0800 Subject: HW: Anybody know these bands Message-ID: You wrote: > >Hi Folks: > >I was just searching through a mail order catalogue, looking for interesting >things I didn't know about previously. There were descriptions of the style >next to each disc title, and here are some that seemed reasonably interesting. >Anyone familiar with them?? Not mine, tho..:( anyway: >Ghostly Medley Pretty good 2 guitar Italian band. Bevis/Hendrix style with overt Krautrock leanings. I like it. >Guru Guru -- I know that this is a "Krautrock" band, right?? One of the greatest, and one of the most outrightly insane. They went through several periods, from nutty noisy shit to Santana-ish but heavier guitar jams. Get Dance of the Flames if you can find it. Don't believe it's made it to cd yet. >Nick Riff -- heard of before Psych-pop. Opened for Daevid Allen/Kevin Ayers a coupla years back. Not my bag at all. Quothe a friend - "Aptly named guy. Never played a riff he didn't nic..." You want jammin spacy try Sons of Selina! Wylie From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Mar 7 20:29:58 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:29:58 -0500 Subject: Timeless Paens From the Ongoing Rituals of Space In-Reply-To: <9603072016.AA08728@sonor.eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Johan Edlundh wrote: > yes, one more thing - it sounds like the manufacturer has quality problems, > rumour says some disks is partly distorted - and I'm listening to one right > now with some real *nasty* cracks and sparkles :0( Maybe some of the material was mastered from vinyl? It's not unknown in boot circles... Cheers, Paul. PS: Wasn't the version of "Motorhead" on the Griffin _Warrior..._ CD reputed to have been mastered from vinyl? Or is that just an urban legend? e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Mar 7 20:32:31 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:32:31 -0800 Subject: OFF: GONG Message-ID: You wrote: > >I saw GONG at the Bottom Line in NYC last night. I was at both shows, which >sold out. >NO Tim Blake. Steffi Sharpstrings played both quitar and synths and >sequencers. The sequenced bits were few and far between. Both shows were >excellent!!! or in the words of a fellow boc-ler extremely BLISSFUL:-). Saturday night here in Cleveburg! > Don't miss this show if it comes to a venue near you. >Does anyone have any info on Sharpstring's band-Here and Now? > They backed Daevid and Gylli on Floating Anarchy years ago. I used to think Steffi was really Hillage! They put out quite a few things over the years, I believe. The only CD I know of is Give and Take, which I think is a compilation. Well worth the hunt... Wylie From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Mar 7 23:18:16 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 05:18:16 +0100 Subject: Timeless Paens From the Ongoing Rituals of Space Message-ID: >> yes, one more thing - it sounds like the manufacturer has quality problems, >> rumour says some disks is partly distorted - and I'm listening to one right >> now with some real *nasty* cracks and sparkles :0( > >Maybe some of the material was mastered from vinyl? It's not unknown in >boot circles... No, this is a purely CD-R problem, I got two with completely different cracks. I doubt any of these versions has been seen or heard on CD or vinyl before - i said the track choice was pretty common - "Space Ritual Standards" - but the versions is quite odd, ie the "Grieg Attack" and an interpolated embryo of "The Camera That Could Live" in (if I not remember wrong) Brainstorm. >Cheers, > >Paul. cheers - \\joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Mar 7 23:25:42 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 05:25:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Glastonbury on CD Message-ID: > While looking thru a new catalog from an Import/Boot CD dealer that > I have used, I came across the following under "Arriving Shortly": > > 2CD Grateful Dead/Bowie/Hawkwind "Glastonbury Festival - The > First Concert" (BUCAN BUC 029) $26.00 > > Could this be an official release of the famed Glastonbury 3LP? Or > even just a CD boot taken direct from the LPs? I'd appreciate any > info, in case I should jump all over this deal. The BUCAN is an > abbreviation for the CD-maker; anyone familiar with a possible > company name? Perhaps Buccaneer? Wasn't the Glasonbury (Semi?) Boot from 1992 on the label Buccaner - this was mastered direct from the vinyl. Hey, Captain - if this is the famed Glastonbury 3LP now in CD format - do you order one for me too? :0) > Captain Cloud > cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com cheers - \\joe From stayer at PI.NET Thu Mar 7 02:30:16 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:30:16 PST Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD Message-ID: >>that oral sex, for example, is illegal in certain states (or areas) in ???? Is this really true???? (This is really hard to believe.) >You're not grossly ignorant, but somewhat misinformed. The local standards >(anyplace in the Confederacy, for example)are often fascistic, racist, >homophobic, sexist (all rolled up into one big bubba ball) in nature. So /that's/ it! >Death to Fascism and Up with naked babes!!!! That's what I've been thinking all the time! >"Freedom is always against the law." You mean, the law is always against freedom... Jerry From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Mar 8 04:54:27 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 04:54:27 -0500 Subject: BOC: Aldo Nova Message-ID: Anyone who was worried about what Aldo Nova has been up to - well, apparently he's got a song on the forthcoming Celine Dion album. So that's the end of any money worries he might have had... - Andy From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Mar 8 07:26:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 07:26:00 -0500 Subject: ArcMEt Message-ID: Hello, Arc Met have been a three piece for several years now. From 1989- 92' the band was a 6 piece with two guitarist and two synth players. The current guitarist (Greg Kozlowski, who played at the first Sun Machine show in CLeveland on NYE) has been with them since late 92'. Paul Eggleston is the original synth player and one of the founding members. Deb Younghas been playing drums for the band since 1989,but known them and been involved with them since earlier on, but not as a member. Paul said that the new CD was recorded and they were just mixing it. I think he said it had nine tracks, a full length lp. Some of the tracks are: Holographic Caves, Creature, March of the Wooden Potatoes, Holy Ground, Cascading Foliage (a remake), .....He said it should be out in May probably. They have a split single due out this week on a local label with the track Holy Ground. They often end their shows with Welcome to the Future. The set list Wed night was: Cascading Folliage Holy Ground Richocet (Tandgerine Dream cover) Holographic Caves Creature Welcome to the Future 40m The CD is still available. they sell them at all of their shows. I have not seen them in the local stores in a while. Next show that I knw of is in NYC on 3/27. Scott P.S> The line up for GONG was: Daevid, Gilli, Steffi, Didier, Mike Howlet (bass) and Pip Pyle on Drums. I felt that Tim Blake was hardly missed at all. This band is very tight and jams... Didier really blew me away. They played most of the classic Trilogy era GONG material: Zero the Hero, You never blow your trip forever, I am your Pussy, Oily Way, Pot Head Pixies, You can't kill me, IAOM Riff, Outer Temple/Inner Temple, Flute Salad, Radio Gnome Invisible, and several more. Killer show.. best since... Government Mule!! From ike1 at I1.NET Fri Mar 8 07:32:00 1996 From: ike1 at I1.NET (Ed Eichendorf) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 07:32:00 -0500 Subject: BOC: Review of 3/6/95 show in St. Louis Message-ID: -- [ From: Ed Eichendorf * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Hi all, caught the Oyster boys at KSHE's Real Rock Restaurant and Concert Club last night, and an excellent show it was! The venue: a medium size bar/restaurant with booths along the side walls, a bar at the front and a pit area in the center with more booths, some tables, two rows of chairs in front of the stage, and the mixing board. My friend and I arrived after all the good spots were taken so we ended up standing in front of the bar and directly behind the pit right next to the guy operating the spot light. Before the show started the spot light guy decided to move down to the pit behind the mixing board. We immediately moved to fill the vacuum and consequently had an excellent sight line on the same level as the stage about 80 feet away and about 15 feet in front of the bar. As this place is owned by a radio station it also has a lot of rock and roll memorabilia scattered around and hung on the walls. The show: Blade Runner music started playing about 8:30 and then launched into Stairway to the Stars with the rest of the set list being, Dr. Music OD'd on life ETI Harvest Moon Before the Kiss Teen Archer I'd Like to See You in Black Joan Crawford Flaming Telepaths Cities on Flame Last Days of May In Thee Lips in the Hills Burnin' For You Godzilla Don't Fear the Reaper and then for the encore, Dominance and Submission The Red and the Black ending at 10:22. This was the fourth time in the last four years that I've seen BOC and this was the best show so far. This was also the first time I saw them indoors. While the first four songs were pretty much standard issue Harvest Moon really sounded good and my friend who had never heard it before really liked it too. It sounded to me like it had an almost Imaginos feel to it although it was written a few years before Imaginos came out. Teen Archer is a great live song and I'm glad they've started playing it. I'd like to... is also a good live song. Joan Crawford was a real surprise, my friend recognized it before I did. Allen had some great keyboard work here. Flaming Telepaths was cool, especially the strobe lights and laugh at the end. Cities had the usual Buck theatrics but was the shortest solo I've yet seem him play on it. He more than made up for it though on Last Days. In Thee was a great change of pace and everyone seemed to enjoy it. Hearing the opening strains of Lips in the Hills was the real shocker though. This was another good live song. After that came the trinity with the bass and drum solos during Godzilla. The drummer went for about a minute with a stickless drum solo. They came back for the encore with a vociferous response during the 'Dominance' 'Submission' call and response. After that it sure sounded like they were going to play ME262 but they broke out into TR&TB instead. After the show we needed to use the Facilities and they were upstairs off to the right of the stage. As we were coming back down the hall past a door marked Employees Only there was some guy bringing Danny a breathing Birthday present. We decided this would be a good place to wait and before long Eric came out wearing a Rangers jersey and I managed to get his autograph on my T&M CD. Just after that some one came down the hall saying Buck was in the bathroom and before long he came down the hall and I got to shake the hand of God. Got his autograph too. Next up was Allen and he seemed to be the most talkative of the bunch. Most of the people getting albums autographed seemed to be getting T&M signed. Someone even got a Quad T&M signed. At one point during the show Eric asked how it sounded and then mentioned the band had just got some new Ampeg equipment. For the most part the sound was excellent although occasionally the keyboards would get lost. All in all this was a really great show and the only thing that would have made it better was if they would've played Golden Age of Leather. May the Oyster Boys rock you hard. Now we just need to get the Brain Surgeons out here. -- --- --- --- Ed Eichendorf ...drawn up between the Ambassadors from Plutonia and ike1 at i1.net Desdinova, the foreign minister. These treaties founded a secret science from the stars. Astronomy. The career of evil. From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Fri Mar 8 09:47:30 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:47:30 -0600 Subject: HW: Another covers entry? In-Reply-To: <313E50EC@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Rudich, Robert A wrote: > Last night's Gong gig had a local opening act by the name of Architectural > Metaphor. They did an interesting extended version (5 to 8 min., maybe even > more) of "Welcome to the Future." Is there room and/or interest to add this > to the HW covers tape? It is not your father's "Silver Machine"! The > tape of it is very good quality. I don't see why not. Please send a copy of the song to both Dave Berry and I. From: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. 2327 Murphy Dr. #10 Lawrence KS 66046-3959 USA From: Dave Berry My address is: 48 Lodgefield, Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire, AL7 1SD, UK. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Mar 8 09:52:05 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 01:52:05 +1100 Subject: Timeless Paens From the Ongoing Rituals of Space Message-ID: On 7 Mar 96 Johan Edlundh wrote about Timeless Paens From the Ongoing Rit: > yes, one more thing - it sounds like the manufacturer has quality problems, > rumour says some disks is partly distorted - and I'm listening to one right > now with some real *nasty* cracks and sparkles :0( Now joe - you have to consider *that* copy a collectors item.... I'll let you keep it and be happy enough with one of the 'inferior' copies without the cracks and sarkles when you send mine over Paul (in wishful thinking mode) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Mar 8 11:10:11 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:10:11 -0600 Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Jerry wrote: > >>that oral sex, for example, is illegal in certain states (or areas) in > ???? Is this really true???? (This is really hard to believe.) Well, the laws like that are not enforced because they're 100-200 years old. In Texas and most other states, there are still blue laws which state that sex outside the bounds of matrimony is illegal, as is anything other than the missionary position. Damon Capehart | "Ladies and gentlemen, Ronco brings you the dcapehar at utdallas.edu | home cloning kit, a complete do it yourself kit The Society of Physics | for personal cloning. Buy one today and be the Students at UTD | first on your block to be second!" From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 8 11:20:24 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:20:24 GMT Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD In-Reply-To: Le Monsieur Damon's message of Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:10:11 -0600 Message-ID: Le Monsieur Damon writes: > On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Jerry wrote: > > > >>that oral sex, for example, is illegal in certain states (or areas) in > > ???? Is this really true???? (This is really hard to believe.) > > Well, the laws like that are not enforced because they're 100-200 years > old. In Texas and most other states, there are still blue laws which > state that sex outside the bounds of matrimony is illegal, as is anything > other than the missionary position. In the UK, anal sex between a man and woman was illegal until last year's Criminal Justice Act. > Damon Capehart | "Ladies and gentlemen, Ronco brings you the FoFP From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Mar 8 11:44:09 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:44:09 -0500 Subject: HW: Glastonbury on CD Message-ID: In a message dated 96-03-07 17:02:33 EST, you write: >2CD Grateful Dead/Bowie/Hawkwind "Glastonbury Festival - The > First Concert" (BUCAN BUC 029) $26.00 this is recorded from the lp's. not too shabby tho'. has all booklets and such. i paid 50u.s. dollars for it about two years ago, and was not disappointed. i checked the catalog #'s- they match. mine says- buc 029/2. rj From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 8 12:03:17 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:03:17 -0500 Subject: BOC: Review of 3/6/95 show in St. Louis Message-ID: >good live song. Joan Crawford was a real surprise, my friend recognized it >before I did. If I recall right, in one of the transcripts from the AOL sessions, Eric stated that they don't play "Joe" songs.... I didn't think they were playing any songs that were only by Al (and outside people like Jack Rigg), but I guess they are. At least D&S is partially credited to Eric.... Well, they do Astronomy now and then which kinda kills this argument unless you try to claim that it's a Pearlman song... Ah, well.... Side note: Does anyone else's "Secret Treaties" list the credits for ME-262 as "-E. Bloom-E. Roeser-S. Pearlman" ?? E. Roeser... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Mar 8 12:07:11 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:07:11 +0000 Subject: BOC: Aldo Nova In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 08 Mar 1996 04:54:27 EST." <960308045426_240676323@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: > Anyone who was worried about what Aldo Nova has been up to - well, apparently > he's got a song on the forthcoming Celine Dion album. So that's the end of > any money worries he might have had... So I guess any lyrical sci-fi imagery gained from rubbing shoulders with BOC has worn off then :-) Celine does "Take me Away" perhaps ? She's aptly named. Cheers, Tim ObCD: Neurosis, _Enemy of the Sun_ From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Mar 8 12:44:51 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:44:51 -0500 Subject: OFF:GONG Review from NY Times Message-ID: >From Jon Pareles' NY Times Review Today: "Like a delegation from the hippie era, Gong wafted into the Bottom Line on Tuesday night, touring to celebrate its 25th anniversary. gilli Smyth arrived in glittering silver sequins and a feather boa; David Allen's shirt and pants were decorated with moons and stars, as he sang lines like "banana nirvana manana." For some songs, he wore a pointed green hat over his long white hair. In its early-1970s heyday, Gong was the epitome of English whimsy transmuted by psychedelia. Mr. Allen 9who is Australian) came up with a parable about flying teapots manned by pothead Pixies, boradcasting Radio Gnome Invisible and running into Zero the Hero and a seductive witch goddess. Gong's music, then and now, was a light-hearted, lightheaded ramble, stringing together riffs from basic rock-and-roll, odd-metered jazz-rock or ragalike patterns, then floating into improvisation. The 25th anniversary band included most of Gong's early members: Mr Allen;Ms. Smyth;Mike Howlett on bass, Pip Pyle on drums, and Didier Malherbe on quizzical, jazzy saxophones and flute. Steffi Sharpstrings played guitar and supplied long, swooping synthesizer notes. Mr. Allen talk-sang his lyrics like an amiable uncle, and bowed his guitar strings with a piece of metal to provide shimmering tones. Ms. Smyth sange eerie, echoey high notes. The band could push, as it did with the riff of "Master Builder," or it could meditate over a sustained tone. In the one new song, "Mercury," the band placed a steady disco thump under wailing saxophone and guitar. But even when it was most reckless, the music had no ferocity, just old-fashioned hippie benevolence." From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Mar 8 12:47:20 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:47:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: Deviant Sexual Behavior!! In-Reply-To: from "Le Monsieur Damon" at Mar 8, 96 10:10:11 am Message-ID: > On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Jerry wrote: > > > >>that oral sex, for example, is illegal in certain states (or areas) in > > ???? Is this really true???? (This is really hard to believe.) Well, speaking for the state of Georgia, oral sex is _illegal_ between anyone (m/f, m/m or f/f). I think that the same holds true for anal sex. Fortunatly, for me, at least, the state dosen't send a GBI (yes, we have our own lil' FBI!) agent around to investigate your sex life, or this might be coming to you from a jail cell somewhere. Uhhh, 'nuff of this... > > Well, the laws like that are not enforced because they're 100-200 years > old. In Texas and most other states, there are still blue laws which > state that sex outside the bounds of matrimony is illegal, as is anything > other than the missionary position. > Didja know that to operate a motor vehicle in the grand state of Tejas, one must have a person 100 feet in front of said vehicle waving a red flag, or, at night, a lantern? I think that you need to do the same at the rear of your vehicle. Dumb laws and too friggin' many lawyers. (Wanna get really steamed, read The Death Of Common Sense. It helps explain why the US is so screwed up with its' rules and regulations. Fifty years ago, the free world banded together to liberate the world from ruthless tyranny. My question is, who is going to band together to save _us_ from the same? > Damon Capehart | "Ladies and gentlemen, Ronco brings you the > dcapehar at utdallas.edu | home cloning kit, a complete do it yourself kit > The Society of Physics | for personal cloning. Buy one today and be the > Students at UTD | first on your block to be second!" > objCassette Deck: Rev. Billy C. Wirtz / PIANIST ENVY ("Whuutt?") -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 8 12:54:41 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:54:41 EST Subject: BOC: Review of 3/6/95 show in St. Louis Message-ID: > Ah, well.... > > Side note: Does anyone else's "Secret Treaties" list the credits for > ME-262 as "-E. Bloom-E. Roeser-S. Pearlman" ?? E. Roeser... > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------+ > Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" > Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused > Chancellor of being corrupted since > Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... > Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) Mine says it too! Maybe Buck's mutant brother? theo From stayer at PI.NET Fri Mar 8 22:00:10 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:00:10 PST Subject: charmed ME-262 called ? Message-ID: >It was always my understanding that Desdinova translates essentially >to "Eternal Light". 'Desd' i think relates to time (i.e., destiny, etc.) >and 'nova' can also be interpreted in terms of illumination if I'm >not mistaken. Say... 'super nova'? Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Fri Mar 8 21:55:07 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:55:07 PST Subject: OFF: Cyber Sleaze 2, the compilation Message-ID: >> But seriously, I think you may be in error on one count. >>I believe that there is a rather high incidence of illegitimate >>births in Europe. Not that that really bothers me... >US teenage girls have the highest illegitimacy rate in the industrialized >world. That's what I have read. Must have something to do with education... >>BTW, I believe I may have broken the law in Georgia :) >Andy, knowing the Georgia obscenity laws somewhat, I'll bet you have and >I'll bet I know which one. :-O But I don't! Tell me, what's the obscenity law about? (I understand what it's about - but what exactly isn't allowed?) That's something we don't hear on the news here (Holland) - it's too much of a farce, I guess. Jerry From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 8 13:25:27 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:25:27 GMT Subject: 1980 HW help In-Reply-To: Jeremy Dacombe's message of Thu, 7 Mar 1996 03:50:47 EST Message-ID: > Remember a while ago there was a lot of discussion regarding a > Treforest gig in 1980? help! I've deleted all the relevant bits. What was the conclusion on Treforest? Something about the fact that Hawkwind were playing the East coast at the time and it would have been impossible to get to Treforest and back within 24 hours. Ergo it was an East coast gig? > Pilton: Worthy Farm 5.11.80. > OK, so this date is clearly wrong, HOWEVER it does definitely > sound like an outdoors/festival event due to the type of crowd > noise and soom of the stage banter. I've had another listen to this - nice tape incidentally! - but I'm not entirely sure it's outside since the first thing Brock says when he comes onstage is "Hello Friends. You all squashed in there?" which clearly indicates an enclosed area and quite a small one at that. Could be a tent I s'pose. > The track list is :- > > a. Lev/M.City/D.Trap/Shot/Psychosis/Instr/5th Sec/Dust > b. World/U.Guerilla/S.Chase/War?/PSI/Brainstorm > > The main easily identifing part of the tape is between M.City > & Death Trap when Dave talks about Ginger "getting old" > & Ginger saying he's "gotta go off soon, for a piss". > definitely Ginger's drumming - the tape finally expires abruptly to the beat of drums way after the end of Brainstorm! I think the date must be reasonably ok but the Worthy Farm puzzles me. I've also seen this one listed as "Worthy Farm, Pilton" so there are a fair body of collectors who have this. Come to think about it I quizzed the guy concerned when I bought it (Glastonbury in fact) but he just said that it was Brock's farm - which is definitely not the case. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 8 13:24:38 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:24:38 EST Subject: OFF: Deviant Sexual Behavior!! Message-ID: > > Dumb laws and too friggin' many lawyers. (Wanna get really steamed, read > The Death Of Common Sense. It helps explain why the US is so screwed up > with its' rules and regulations. > Another one you might like is 'Nation of Victims: the decay of the American character' by Charles J. Sykes. Basically it says that people try to justify anything they do by claiming to be victims of some disease/syndrome etc. There's a story about an FBI agent [no less!] who embezzled a shitload of company funds. He got caught, and his lawyers claimed that he was suffering from a compulsion to spend othre people's money. The US produces way more lawyers than any other industrialized nation, and so needs to keep them all busy. Hence all the bullshit lawsuits. Highly recommended reading. theo From Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Fri Mar 8 13:52:28 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:52:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Test Post, Please Ignore! Message-ID: Test post. Just checking Thanks. From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 8 14:02:55 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:02:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: Aldo Nova Message-ID: >> Anyone who was worried about what Aldo Nova has been up to - well, apparently >> he's got a song on the forthcoming Celine Dion album. So that's the end of >> any money worries he might have had... > >So I guess any lyrical sci-fi imagery gained from rubbing shoulders with BOC >has worn off then :-) > >Celine does "Take me Away" perhaps ? She's aptly named. No, Aldo does "Searching for Celine"... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 8 14:02:58 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:02:58 -0500 Subject: charmed ME-262 called ? Message-ID: >>It was always my understanding that Desdinova translates essentially >>to "Eternal Light". 'Desd' i think relates to time (i.e., destiny, etc.) >>and 'nova' can also be interpreted in terms of illumination if I'm >>not mistaken. >Say... 'super nova'? "Nova" has nothing to do with light. We use the word "Nova" to describe certain stars because romans wrote about a "new star" in the skies. Nova = New. We now know that this "new star" was a star that underwent a process we now refer to as a Nova, and Supernova is an extrapolation of that. But many astronomers would be quick to point out (Sagan did in one of his books) that this usage of the word is wholly wrong, the star in question was always there, just too far away for us to see it prior to its going nova. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Mar 8 15:29:14 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:29:14 GMT Subject: OFF: Deviant Sexual Behavior!! In-Reply-To: Ted O. Jackson's message of Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:24:38 EST Message-ID: > Hence all the bullshit lawsuits. Well, one reason that there may be more lawsuits in the USA than other countries is that the person suing only has to pay their own costs, and then only if they lose. They can never have the defendant's costs awarded against them. So there is less deterrent against initiating a suit. (The defendant can counter-sue, but this takes yet more effort, and often fails). Dave. From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 8 06:23:41 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:23:41 GMT Subject: OFF: Here & Now Message-ID: > Does anyone have any info on Sharpstring's band-Here and Now? Well, they're still gigging etc. The most recent album, the unfortunatly named "UFOasis" came out several months ago after being in Limbo for nearly two years. Line-up these days is : Steffy : Guitar and Vocals Keith Da Missile : Bass And Vocals Andy Roid : Keys Steve Cassidy : Drums and Percussion The sound is _a lot_ smoother these days. Anyone interested in this band should start with Give & Take (imagine a punk Gong!) then Floating Anarchy '77 then perhaps the recent LP. Fantasy Shift is worth a mention, too. It has to be said, Gavin Da Blitz the long-time keyboard player, is very missed. He's sold his DX7 and is now driving a truck. (He's happy though!) Other guitarist Dino Ferrari is now in NERVOUS with Bill Drake from CARDIACS. I haven't heard them so I can't say what they're like. I nearly staggered over to their set at the last Phoenix Festival but it was the other end of site and I kept bumping into people I knew, and falling over people I didn't etc... -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ 25 years of social reform, ain't gonna make me change or make me conform. From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Fri Mar 8 16:39:16 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:39:16 -0600 Subject: charmed ME-262 called ? In-Reply-To: <199603081902.OAA23360@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Mar 8, 96 02:02:58 pm Message-ID: > stars because romans wrote about a "new star" in the skies. Nova = New. We > now know that this "new star" was a star that underwent a process we now > refer to as a Nova, and Supernova is an extrapolation of that. But many > astronomers would be quick to point out (Sagan did in one of his books) that > this usage of the word is wholly wrong, the star in question was always > there, just too far away for us to see it prior to its going nova. Indeed, and I should have known better about the history of the word nova, as I wrote a master's thesis on Novae in M31!! Oops! -Bryan From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Mar 8 16:49:10 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:49:10 GMT Subject: OFF: Here & Now Message-ID: > > > Does anyone have any info on Sharpstring's band-Here and Now? > > Well, they're still gigging etc. The most recent album, the unfortunatly named > "UFOasis" came out several months ago after being in Limbo for nearly two years. > Line-up these days is : > Steffy : Guitar and Vocals > Keith Da Missile : Bass And Vocals > Andy Roid : Keys > Steve Cassidy : Drums and Percussion > Just out of interest, would Keith Da Missile happen to inhabit the same body as Keith Da Bass who played with Gong on the last UK tour (in '92 I believe)? He was a big geezer who looked like Oliver Reed and wore a red clown suit. bye - Rob From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Mar 8 16:53:58 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:53:58 GMT Subject: HW: Uk festival Message-ID: Has anyone heard anything about the new festival which is supposed to be happening in Hampshire this year? It's being jointly organised by the people who did last years Glastonbury and the people who did the Isle Of Wight festival in '70. I wonder if Hawkwind will play outside in protest? bye - Rob From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Mar 8 17:37:31 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:37:31 -0500 Subject: BOC:THE FILLMORE EAST Message-ID: A friend writes: - share this amusing excerpt with Albert - it's from THE FILLMORE EAST (Recollections of Rock Theater) by Richard Kostelanetz (Schirmer Books/ Simon & Schuster-MacMillan): Soft White Underbelly: 2/2/68 - Yiddish Anderson Theater. "In spite of their marvelous name, this is a rather undistinguished group that appeared not to know what to do with themselves for most of the concert. A tall pretty fellow, in an antique costume placed himself on the stage where the lead singer belongs, but he hardly sang, in one piece playing saxophone instead. The group's leader appeared to be a pint-sized guy, dressed in a cossack shirt, who is enormously adept on guitar. Either they were missing something on the evening or I was." From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Mar 8 18:40:02 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:40:02 -0500 Subject: HW Is this a cover? Message-ID: I was in the record store today and I noticed a cd by a group called Lights of Euphoria. There is a song on it called Brainstorm. Does anyone have any knowledge of this band, and is this THE Brainstorm? Thanks, Duane -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Mar 8 18:47:54 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:47:54 -0500 Subject: BOC: Aldo Nova Message-ID: Tim said >So I guess any lyrical sci-fi imagery gained from rubbing shoulders with BOC >has worn off then :-) Actually, "Les derniers seront les premiers", on last year's _D'eux_, was kinda sci-fi: "dans l'autre realite/nous serons princes d'eternite..." (but then that was by Jean-Jacques Goldman so I've strayed right off topic :). Our Aldo was always a bit of a "wanna love you all night long" merchant lyrics-wise anyway... - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Mar 8 18:48:03 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:48:03 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Ferrari is now in NERVOUS with Bill Drake from CARDIACS. Guitarist?!? Are we talking about the same Dino Ferrari who drummed for Inner City Unit??? - Andy From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 8 18:49:24 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:49:24 GMT Subject: OFF: Deviant Subversive Behavior!! In-Reply-To: Craig Shipley's message of Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:47:20 -0500 Message-ID: > > > Didja know that to operate a motor vehicle in the grand state of Tejas, > one must have a person 100 feet in front of said vehicle waving a red > flag, or, at night, a lantern? I think that you need to do the same at > the rear of your vehicle. > I've only just discovered to my delight that the oh-so-long-established- staid-official-body the Automobile Association (The AA, in this country) started its life in around 1909 as a group of car-owning members who paid folk to ride around the countryside on bicycles and warn drivers whenever there was a speed trap ahead - the police at that time were insisting on a rigid speed limit of 20mph and they would lurk behind bushes with stopwatches setting traps for folk! Anyhow these elite members of society organised themselves into an official body to try and subvert this and were extremely successful. Eventually they were warned that they were almost certainly breaking the law, so instead they arranged for all their officials to wear a uniform and salute drivers as they drove past if there were no speed traps ahead. However, as they also carefully explained to all car drivers, if you did not get a salute then you could be sure that there was some sort of check point ahead and slowed down! I would never have guessed this one. The prestigious Automobile Association as a subversive organisation.... 8-) jill You'd Better Believe It / It's so Easy to Say ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mmeese at HOME.STLNET.COM Fri Mar 8 19:04:27 1996 From: mmeese at HOME.STLNET.COM (Mike Miesner) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:04:27 -0600 Subject: BOC: Review of 3/6/95 show in St. Louis Message-ID: At 07:32 AM 3/8/96 -0500, you wrote: >-- [ From: Ed Eichendorf * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > > > Hi all, caught the Oyster boys at KSHE's Real Rock Restaurant and Concert >Club last night, and an excellent show it was! The venue: a medium size >bar/restaurant with booths along the side walls, a bar at the front and a >pit Thanks for the review. Couldnt make the the show unfortunatly. I have met the band in this same bar and also found Alan to be the most talkative From boblisa at SPRYNET.COM Sat Mar 9 00:07:37 1996 From: boblisa at SPRYNET.COM (Lisa Quinn) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:07:37 -0800 Subject: Psychedelic Festival in Cleveland, Ohio Message-ID: A Global Psychedelic Festival - with - - GONG - featuring: Daevid Allen, Mike Howlett, Dider Malherbe, Pip Pyle, Steffi Sharpstrings, Gilli Smythe and guests: Gaia Avatara The Sloan Gypsies A Psychedelic Light Show, Merchants, and More! Sat. March 9th, 8:00 pm, The Odeon, 1295 Old River Road (in the Flats), Cleveland, OH Tickets $14 at the door From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Mar 9 00:31:09 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:31:09 -0800 Subject: HW: Glastonbury on CD Message-ID: >Captain Cloud wrote: > >> While looking thru a new catalog from an Import/Boot CD dealer that >> I have used, I came across the following under "Arriving Shortly": >> >> 2CD Grateful Dead/Bowie/Hawkwind "Glastonbury Festival - The >> First Concert" (BUCAN BUC 029) $26.00 >> >> Could this be an official release of the famed Glastonbury 3LP? Or >> even just a CD boot taken direct from the LPs? It's an Italian bootleg that's been available for a few years, but don't let that dissuade you! A nice package, with decent repros of the inserts, sans pyramid. Beats the hell out of the $150 tag I've seen lately on the vinyl, and the sound quality's fine. Wylie From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Mar 9 06:36:25 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 12:36:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Treforest gig 1980 / good news !! Message-ID: Hi folks Received today a letter from ADRIAN PARR He told me that he saw a press cutting with the TREFOREST gig on this cutting. He remebers that the date was either 27.10.1980 or 07.11.1980. He's not sure. This TREFOREST gig is also mentioned in Brian Tawn's HAWKFAN 6 on side 5 What is told here fits very good into the opening words from Dave before the gig starts. It was one of the smallest places HAWKWIND ever played Now it seems that the tape we all have is deffinitly from TREFOREST (I suppose 27.10.1980) I have got the same tape Jeremy and Jill mentioned. Received it a few years ago as ST.ALBANS and a few moths ago as TREFOREST. But there is no doubt: Both tapes are absolute identical (and WITHOUT "Dangerous Vision") And now the best: There is a good chance that 2 gigs from the 1974 US tour, the Edmonton January 1974 gig and an early 1970 gig will be released later this year There is a rumor about a handfull HAWKWIND UK gigs in April/May Thats all Bernhard From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 9 06:15:30 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:15:30 GMT Subject: OFF: Here & Now Message-ID: In your message dated Friday 8, March 1996 you wrote : > > Just out of interest, would Keith Da Missile happen to inhabit > the same body as Keith Da Bass who played with Gong on the last > UK tour (in '92 I believe)? He was a big geezer who looked like > Oliver Reed and wore a red clown suit. > > bye - Rob > Indeed, they are one and the same. Full name Kieth Da Missile Bass (nee Bailey) I've not noticed the Oliver Reed similarity but he certainly can drink like him (or very nearly ;->) The last time I saw Keith was at my wedding and he was doing a pretty good impersonation then! -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ 25 years of social reform, ain't gonna make me change or make me conform. From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 9 06:25:49 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:25:49 GMT Subject: HW Is this a cover? Message-ID: In your message dated Friday 8, March 1996 you wrote : > I was in the record store today and I noticed a cd by a group called > Lights of Euphoria. There is a song on it called Brainstorm. Does anyone > have any knowledge of this band, and is this THE Brainstorm? > Thanks, > Duane > Did the lyrics mention anything about standing on a runway, waiting for take-off? Or perhaps the singer mentioned at some point not wishing to : a) be destroyed? or b) turn android? or perhaps requested aid in avoiding these scenarios? And most importantly, did he bet you he kisses it? :->> -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ 25 years of social reform, ain't gonna make me change or make me conform. From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 9 06:17:33 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:17:33 GMT Subject: HW: Uk festival Message-ID: In your message dated Friday 8, March 1996 you wrote : > Has anyone heard anything about the new festival which is > supposed to be happening in Hampshire this year? > It's being jointly organised by the people who did last years > Glastonbury and the people who did the Isle Of Wight festival > in '70. I wonder if Hawkwind will play outside in protest? It's at Cheesefoot Head, I think. More details when they get the liesence. Damn, I've never been able to spell liecense. -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ 25 years of social reform, ain't gonna make me change or make me conform. From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 9 06:30:12 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:30:12 GMT Subject: OFF HERE & NOW Message-ID: In your message dated Friday 8, March 1996 you wrote : > Ferrari is now in NERVOUS with Bill Drake from > CARDIACS. > > Guitarist?!? Are we talking about the same Dino Ferrari who drummed for > Inner City Unit??? > > - Andy No, this *the other* Dino Ferrari! A bit like *the other* Bob Calvert, I expect! -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ 25 years of social reform, ain't gonna make me change or make me conform. From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sat Mar 9 09:31:21 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 09:31:21 -0500 Subject: HW Is this a cover? Message-ID: > >In your message dated Friday 8, March 1996 you wrote : >> I was in the record store today and I noticed a cd by a group called >> Lights of Euphoria. There is a song on it called Brainstorm. Does anyone >> have any knowledge of this band, and is this THE Brainstorm? >> Thanks, >> Duane >> > Did the lyrics mention anything about standing on a runway, waiting for >take-off? Or perhaps the singer mentioned at some point not wishing to : > >a) be destroyed? or >b) turn android? > >or perhaps requested aid in avoiding these scenarios? > >And most importantly, did he bet you he kisses it? :->> > >-- I couldn't say at this point what the lyrics say, as I did not purchase this cd. I wanted to wait and see if I could get any info on this band from this discussion group first, as I don't want to get it if it is not a cover, unless of course they are a good spacerock band and worth getting on thier own merits. Judging by the name " Lights of Euphoria", it sounds as if they could be spacey or psychedelic. Duane OBCassette: Kitaro - Astral Voyage ( Good Japenese spacerock/synth/ambient ) -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sat Mar 9 09:43:40 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 09:43:40 -0500 Subject: HW: Rock bands + Comic books Message-ID: Hello all Hawkfriends, I was watching the sci-fi channel last night, and a show called Ant-Gravity Room was on. It is a show dealing with current events, trends, etc. in the sci-fi arena.They did a piece on comic books, and at the end they asked the viewers to e-mail them the name of any bands they would like to see in a comic book. Since this has already been done by the Hawksters, I felt it my obligation to e-mail them and inform them of this. I feel if all of us here did the same, maybe they would acknowledge the fact that sc-fi and rock has already been married long ago, when Dave and Nik first put it all together.I think they could possibly do a piece for the show on our favorite spacerockers, if enough email comes to them about it. Here is the adress if you want to notify them of this: ANTIGRAVITY at YTV.CA Let's get some support of HW going on the most obvious channel to see them on, the Sci-Fi channel. Duane OBCD: Kitaro - An Enchanted Evening -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Mar 9 13:24:06 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 19:24:06 +0100 Subject: BOC: Looking for fans Message-ID: Hello I have got a friend who is a great BOC fan. He has all the BOC stuff (Records, CD's, Singles and ALL promos) and is writing on a huge BOC discography. Unfortunately he does not have INTERNET access but he wants to get in contact to a lot of BOC fans. What he really is looking for are the BOC lyrics. He's got a lot of stuff to swap. Please drop him a line. Here is his address: =============================== FRANK KUESTER LUEDENSCHEIDER STRASSE 3 40625 DUESSELDORF GERMANY TEL.: (Germany) 0211 281118 ================================ Thank you Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 9 13:24:46 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 18:24:46 +0000 Subject: HW: Treforest gig 1980 / good news !! In-Reply-To: <199603091136.MAA21718@exit.ruhr.de> from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Mar 9, 96 12:36:25 pm Message-ID: > And now the best: There is a good chance that 2 gigs from the 1974 US tour, > the Edmonton January 1974 gig and an early 1970 gig will be released later > this year Gods! Does this mean that Hawkwind might actually make good on their mumbles about releasing old material that they made to Scott Heller on the US tour last spring. If this actually happens, it suggests hitherforto unknown wellsprings of organization within the Hawkwind camp. Or possibly a frenzied reaction to the realisation that "we can sell these Kollectors _anything_!" ;) > There is a rumor about a handfull HAWKWIND UK gigs in April/May Oh, how wonderfull. Do we think that when Hawkwind tours to support their live album from the last tour that they will make another live album from the tour (supporting the live album of the previous tour) to release as a live album next year (followed, of course, by a tour, etc.) ;) All of this, naturally, will be "touched up" by Dave in the studio and released as _Live Remasters of the Universe_ (until the release is squashed for mysterious reasons by Doug Smith, and the tapes sent to California for Nik Turner to overdub vocals on ;) Well, another Hawkwind tour would be nice, anyway :) Cheers, Carl From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Mar 9 14:56:49 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:56:49 -0500 Subject: ArcMEt Message-ID: In a message dated 96-03-08 07:53:30 EST, you write: > Next show that I knw of is in NYC on 3/27. Where? regards, Bill Stewart From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Sat Mar 9 22:17:50 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 22:17:50 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: >And the winner is... >Fire Of Unknown Origin. >The AOF version of FOUO seemed like it fit right in with the overall feel of >AOF. Would have made one more KILLER cut on the album. >Of course, what would the later FOUO album been called? Pyromania? >Hey, Al. What's the story with FOUO? Why was it not used on AOF? And >why was it revived later? The choice among the 3 producers, Pearlman, Krugman, and Lucas was between FOUO and Tenderloin. They told me that even though they felt that they liked FOUO better that Eric would freak out if I sang more songs on the album than he did so we went with Tenderloin. It's funny that they didn't think of replacing DD with FOUO. For some reason they thought DD was better. I didn't mind because I thought FOUO would be released eventually because I thought it was a really good performance. I gave myself goosebumps when I sang it. It was method acting. Murry told me to think that it was my parents that had died in that fire and I really got into the pathos of the moment. Later on I felt I'd gone over the top and so I rewrote it for Eric to sing in his mechanical style. Maybe they'll put in the BOC box set that we keep wishing for. Al From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Sat Mar 9 22:49:26 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 19:49:26 -0800 Subject: BOC: Aldo Nova In-Reply-To: <960308045426_240676323@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Mar 1996, Andy Gilham wrote: > Anyone who was worried about what Aldo Nova has been up to - well, apparently > he's got a song on the forthcoming Celine Dion album. So that's the end of > any money worries he might have had... > > - Andy > Was this the Celine he was searching for? - Passerby From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Mar 10 03:45:00 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 09:45:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Treforest gig 1980 / good news !! Message-ID: Hello > Gods! Does this mean that Hawkwind might actually make good on their >mumbles about releasing old material that they made to Scott Heller on the >US tour last spring. If this actually happens, it suggests hitherforto >unknown wellsprings of organization within the Hawkwind camp. > Or possibly a frenzied reaction to the realisation that "we can >sell these Kollectors _anything_!" ;) I think it is only a reaction for the thousands of requests to release old material that was indeed recorded in the early years Richard Chadwick told me backstage after the Bochum gig (26.10.1995) that they plan to release the Hammersmith gig from 05.Oct.1976. I am really looking forward that all these material will be somedays on the market. Only to hear the old bootleg quality tapes is OK. But listening to a soundboard quality tape would be amazing > > All of this, naturally, will be "touched up" by Dave in the studio >and released as _Live Remasters of the Universe_ (until the release is >squashed for mysterious reasons by Doug Smith, and the tapes sent to >California for Nik Turner to overdub vocals on ;) Better a modified record like Palace Springs than a raw record like Youri Gagarin. You are right. There is no need to modify the live recordings. They should release them like they were recorded. But only if the NOT played absolutely drunken and stoned (YOURI GAGARIN) Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Mar 10 03:45:03 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 09:45:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Festival programmes Message-ID: Hello there I am still looking for the following programmes (originals, not b/w photocopies): - 1981 CND Festival (Glastonbury) - 1986 Reading Festival I can swap HAWKWIND tapes/videos or I can pay for these both programmes Thank you Bernhard From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Sun Mar 10 12:33:53 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 12:33:53 -0500 Subject: At the end of the day..... Message-ID: Hi Doug: >Here's a hypothetical question for you: >How long a set would you have to play behind the kit to equal >one NYC marathon? I'm not sure what form of measurement >would be most valid, so why don't you do the honors... =) It's not compatable. Marathons involve almost exclusively large muscle mass (ie. the quads, calves, abs) and playing the drums involve small muscles (ie. wrists, fingers, ankles, triceps). Long distance running requires slow-twitch muscles and drumming requires fast-twitch fibers. The marathon is a great experience. It's also very humbling. If you enjoy running I recommend it . Al From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Sun Mar 10 19:00:07 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:00:07 -0600 Subject: HW: how about a brawl!! In-Reply-To: <199510151816.TAA00355@sokrates.ruhr.de> Message-ID: it is now about a year later and about 20 hawkwind albums added to my collection including a new studio album from the band; anyone up for hawkbrawl 96? we've got some new listmembers and also some people who are just starting their collections that might be interested in the data generated by this. I for one would like to see how alien 4 rates in the polls a couple of considerations are : 1. I don't have the abilities to tabulate the results and am not sure if those that did it last year have recooperated yet - 2. with new album coming soon and reissues of classics with bonus tracks should we wait till summer? last year psychedelic warriors had just come out and only 2 members had the album which had an effect on the ratings of that one i think- it might take a long time for non- UK listmembers to get the upcoming new stuff but a lot of us have Alien 4 now. what do you think, go or no? -mike psyche From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Sun Mar 10 20:44:14 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 17:44:14 -0800 Subject: Psychedelic Festival in Cleveland, Ohio Message-ID: are they going to be performing all around the US, or just a one shot deal? They would be much loved here in Oregon, USA- hippy central. SP "Freedom is always against the law." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Mar 11 06:02:00 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 22:02:00 +1100 Subject: HW: how about a brawl!! Message-ID: On 10 Mar 96 Michael P Mccollum wrote about HW: how about a brawl!!: > it is now about a year later and about 20 hawkwind albums added to my > collection including a new studio album from the band; anyone up for > hawkbrawl 96? > what do you think, go or no? My vote is GO! (if anyone has time to tabulate the results, etc.) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 11 07:47:50 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:47:50 +0000 Subject: info request Message-ID: Heads ups, especially John Swartz :) My sister who runs a radio show out in Oberlin, OH is trying to get a tBS/BOC radioathon put together. Knowing little about BOC (or tBS, except what material Deb has kindly supplied her with and having attended one tBS concert last summer) could someone send along maybe a copy of the FAQ? (I haven't got one). This is a good opportunity for tBS fans to rise and reverberate, and help spread the word about the Brain Surgeons if my sister can get this radio show approved. > Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:29:17 -0400 (EDT) > From: Chris Anderson > To: cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > > i'm thinking i can probably get a radioathon block, but more likely so > if maybe i do a brain surgeons/boc block instead of straight brain surgeons. > i'm still working on the concert thing. > oh, but the thing w/ doing a brain surgeons/boc block is that i know > absolutely nothing about boc and own nothing by them. i dunno about the > station, but its dubious. BTW, for those who were at the Gong show in Cleveland if you saw a young woman with long red hair that may well have been my sister. I take no repsonsibility for whatever reprehensible activity she was pursuing at the time ... :) Cheers, Carl ********************************************************************** Carl Edlund Anderson ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk ********************************************************************** From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 11 09:11:44 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:11:44 GMT Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:25:42 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > Mike Holmes wrote: > > [Various one-liners deleted. :-)] > > You seem to have fastidiously avoided the central point of my posting :-) > which is this: why should the Internet be allowed special, unlimited > access to certain types of material when the same is not true of this same > material outside of it? My argument is less that the Internet should be free of the usual laws on pornography etc than that these laws should not exist *at all* However, one reason that the Internet might be regarded as a special case is that it is international and thus applying the laws of any one nation seems kinda silly. Will you obey the Iranian religious restriction laws when they apply them to the Internet? How about a French law that half the Internet must be in French? > It seems to me that the "free the Internet" > advocates are talking out of both corners of their mouths; on the one hand > they say they Internet should be treated no differently from other media, > yet on the other they demand unlimited, unfettered access to material that > is legally restricted outside of it. Unless I am missing something... A libertarian viewpoint on victimless crime laws? > Also, I think it is a little disingenuous of you to point the finger at > parents as being the sole raison d'etre behind the CDA. It is a fallacy > to assume that only children are potentially offended by obscene material > (and, as a result, their parents strive to protect them from it). A lot > of "normal adults" are offended by pornography or extreme violence. Not > everyone likes to see pictures of cigarettes being stubbed out on dicks, > bound people having objects forcibly inserted into them, girls taking > donkeys up their asses, people eating shit, scenes of torture and > execution, and similar aesthetic delicacies. Fair enough. I don't like football. I solve that by *not watching* football, not by demanding a law that nobody be allowed to watch football. Adults are all capable of such discerning practice. Children are arguably different in that they are not. Solution: pass a law requiring parents to do the damn job they signed up for when they had sex resulting in progeny. > And, whereas these people do > not want such material to be banned, they would prefer that it be confined > to the privacy of the intended clientele's homes, away from prying eyes. Fine. On the Internet they *don't need to* download it to their screens if they don't want to see it. If they don't, it gets confined to the computer it's held on and the computers of folks that want to see it. > And, yes, there are many who believe that this material should be more, > not less, difficult to access. I believe that football pitches would suit me better if they were all on Pitcairn island. I also believe that it would be unreasonable of me to expect a law requiring this since I understand that other people actually want to play football. Each to his own. I'm not advocating that everyone has to like pornography, just that they don't view or read it if they don't and leave those who do alone. > Here in our own department, there was a > case where a female student complained because several male students > repeatedly displayed pornographic images obtained from usenet on > workstation screens in a general access laboratory. She found these > images offensive, especially when taken together with the lurid comments > offered by the male students debating the merits of the respective images > amongst themselves. If someone did that here, I'd give 'em a stern talking to on respecting other people's views and warn 'em that there'd be disciplinary proceedings if they did it again. > And before you say it, no, nobody insisted the > newsgroups the images came from be banned or removed. Just that they not > be allowed to be displayed in the laboratory. I'm sure nobody cares if > the male students in question want to get a little wrist exercise by > viewing them in the privacy of their own rooms. Exactly. I wouldn't advocate that porn be any harder to access, but I wouldn't want people wanking over it on trains either. > Arguments about the degrading effects upon society aside, the fact remains > that children lack the emotional maturity to process extreme material, > especially where it is presented in an unusual context. It is of benefit > to everyone, therefore, if we try and keep material deemed legally obscene > away from minors, and direct it towards those that enjoy it. (This is > perhaps why access to such material is restricted in the outside world.) > There are many ways to achieve this; as you suggest, such material could > be flagged so that appropriate blocking software could detect and screen > it. Or, prior age verification could be required for areas having adult > content---this scheme is commonly used in adult BBSs (quite why people > object to it being used on the Internet is a mystery to me). I don't. I simply object to it being *required by law*. > Or, as is > common with many specialist services, the user should pay to access it, > and such payment would carry the burden of proper authentication. With > the rapid commercialisation of the Internet, anyway, digital signatures > and the accompanying authentication they bring will become commonplace, so > many of these questions may be moot anyway. It may be that, out of > commercial demands, Internet users have a de facto identification scheme, > which is then used to segregate obscene material to ensure corresponding > financial remuneration for its viewing. How about anonymous digital cash? That's almost here already. > > > and there should be no barriers whatsoever to > > > their access. My usual response was to point out that the same pictures, > > > printed out, would not be allowed to be posted on departmental or public > > > noticeboards around campus, or around town. > > > > An argument which perhaps applies to Usenet, but not to the Web where > > you must cause your machine to fetch the information from the machine > > where it resides. > > Actually, if you think about it, the reverse is actually true. One of the > problems with hypertext is that the user can easily lose a sense of > presence and orientation (see, for example, Jakob Nielsen, Communications > of the ACM 33,3 (March 1990), 297--310). In particular, it is not always > easy to know what lies at the end of a hyperlink. Nevertheless, clicking on a link causes your machine to download information from another machine. In that sense, pornography as well as pizza is *requested* by the user. The solution to the "unknown link" problem is to require labelling of controversial material. > With the increasing use > of search engines to seek out information, this problem is exacerbated: > many WWW pages are very poorly identified---often they have no title at > all, or, worse still, have misleading titles. The potential for stumbling > across something you didn't expect is greater on the WWW than on Usenet, > where there is a definite hierarchy. Then the CDA should advocate prosecution when something controversial is clearly mislabelled. > I know that this is one reason why > some (K-12) educators I know have been reluctant to let their students > freely browse the WWW in class sessions (the dangers of an irate parent > suing the school system being a big concern). And if you think the > possibility is remote, anyone remember when Netscape used to have a link > to "Bianca's Smut Shack" on their "What's Cool" page? :-) I figure that anyone requesting "Bianca's Smut Shack" knows exactly what they want. > > > Indeed, the retail outlets > > > for such merchandise are prohibited to those under the age of majority, > > > yet we are supposed to lift any and all barriers to access on the > > > Internet? > > > > Should the Internet be something that is safe for kids? If so then why > > shouldn't roads? Make an 8mph speed limit everywhere? > > Actually, a lot of local authorities are now recognising that it is more > cost-effective to society to slow down (or even remove entirely) cars in > suburban areas and around schools. Doing so reduces the number of > accidents involving children, which, in turn, places less strain on our > medical facilities to patch up the damage such car accidents inflict. I > think they're observing the old-fashioned maxim "an ounce of prevention is > worth a pound of cure..." So why not have a guy with a red flag precede every car? Children can die on the highway too. > > > Under what justification? In fact, those video rental outlets > > > that also carry "adult" videos often have them in a separate room, > > > segregated from those who are minors. > > > > Unless minors can view video without a VCR then that's hardly necessary. > > I don't understand. Have you actually *seen* the cover of an adult video? > They're hardly discreet. Mark the shelves with XXX and then kids who don't want to see pornography can avoid those shelves. > Besides, I think the reason for the separate room is as much to avoid > embarrassment to the punters browsing that section than to bar minors. ;-) Indeed. > > > There are many other instances > > > where certain types of speech are regulated or prohibited by law; there is > > > no such thing as an absolute right to free speech in the USA, first > > > amendment or not. > > > > Yes, there's a deeper problem there: politicians seem to be unable to > > understand the Constitution. "Congress shall make no law...." seems > > pretty damn clear to me. > > I'm probably being grossly ignorant here so forgive me, but I believe > congress doesn't "make" the law; it's left up to "local standards of > decency" to define what is or is not obscene or prohibited. (At least > that is how I remember it being explained to me.) It is for this reason > that oral sex, for example, is illegal in certain states (or areas) in the > U.S.A. but not in others. Talk about the Nanny State... > Besides, it seems sensible to me that people be held accountable when > they exercise their "right to free speech" by yelling "Fire!" in a > crowded auditorium. Held accountable for their exercise of the right to freedom of speech: YES!! Prevented from exercising that right: NO!!! I'm very much in favour of requiring people to accept responsibility for their own actions. That means not passing a law banning shouting "FIRE!" in a theatre, but allowing others to sue someone if a false claim of fire inconveniences or hurts them enough to satisfy a Court. IMHO, incidents like the idiot who sued MacDonalds over her spilling hot coffee over herself while driving with it in her lap indicate that the US has of late become Very Unclear On The Concept of personal responsibility. > As Theo said, with freedom comes responsibility, and we should be prepared > to take responsibility for the speech we utter. Unfortunately, there are > some (e.g. those that abuse Internet anonymous remailers) who want to > enjoy the freedom but without the responsibility. I'm in favour of a law which holds them responsible, not in favour of a law which bans them from exercising freedom of speech. If someone posts the donkeyfuck piccie to a K12 group or labels it "Mickey and Minnie" on the Web then it's off to the Tower and may the Lord have mercy on their soul as far as I'm concerned. That's a lot different from banning the piccies entirely. > > > Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves, > > > and should promptly join the more fashionable concensus reality most of > > > us inhabit. > > > > To paraphrase someone more erudite than myself: if we all lived with the > > consensus, we'd all still be living in caves. > > I'd like to know who said that, so I can avoid them in the future. :-) > Obviously they can't be too erudite, as they appear not to understand what > the word "consensus" means. It does not mean "everyone thinks exactly > alike." Instead, it means there is a general agreement. I think it is > easy to see that innovation and development can still exist comfortably in > an environment in which people agree on many things. Early cavemen probably agreed that fire was dangerous. If they'd had a Congress, they'd have outlawed it and probably had twenty thousand rules on the posession of bark and twigs lest some junior caveman get the materials to start a fire. Luckily, back then, when someone said "Hey, let's invent government" he was probably instantly clubbed to death. > > > And if that draws a blank, you can always > > > browse through the back pages of Computer Shopper et al and find listings > > > for oodles of CD-ROMs that cater to that market desire. Or, if you want > > > to subscribe to nazi anti-semitic hate groups, I'm sure there are plenty > > > of e-mail lists out there. Nobody said life was easy. > > > > Unless you're a parent of course.... > > I'm curious. Are you a parent? I hope not. I've certainly been pretty careful about avoiding it. > Most parents I know do not consider the > job of raising children to be an easy one My comment indicated that the government seems to have decided that its job is to make life easier for parents at the expense of the rest of us. > but nevertheless one filled > with ultimate reward, and so well worth pursuing. But the road is far > from easy. Fairy Nuff, but there's no call on the rest of us to make sacrifices to make it easier. It is after all, a voluntary lifestyle. > But, like I said before, just because the user profile of the Internet is > inexorably changing, you should not be surprised if the "nature of the > Internet" itself changes with it. The little fraternal club that > comprised the Internet's membership is surely no more. I'm sure a > libertarian such as yourself should be well aware that markets change, and > you have to give the customer what they want. ;-) Which is what Kiddie-ISP's and Netwatch proggies had already done. Politics junkies like myself are all too aware that when politicians start yodelling that "We must protect the chiiillldruuuun!" that it's a blind and what they actually want to do is control other adults. The CDA is about controlling *us*. It's basically folks who dislike pornography but aren't content with an OFF switch because that let's other folks leave the switch ON. However, anyone who thinks that politicians dreams of control stop at simple pornography has grossly underestimated the nature of the beast. You said that there's no reason to expect the Internet to be free of laws which apply elsewhere. Let's see: they banned Rap music somewhere or other. They banned one of Moorcock's books in the UK. Hawkwind aren't exactly unassociated with drug culture and drugs are banned in the UK. I Doubt BOC-L does age checks before subscription. Who knows, maybe the zealots will ban us in the future. Giving them the right to ban pornographers on the Net means that after that we exist only by permission. If they get the right to ban anyone, they get the right to ban us. > Paul. O- FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 11 09:43:29 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:43:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: Review of 3/6/95 show in St. Louis Message-ID: > Side note: Does anyone else's "Secret Treaties" list the credits for > ME-262 as "-E. Bloom-E. Roeser-S. Pearlman" ?? E. Roeser... Hmm... is this on the album, cassette, CD, etc.? I believe my CD has "D. Roeser" (which is what I listed in the FAQ), but I'll have to go back and check. Obviously though, it's a typo. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 11 09:57:04 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:57:04 -0500 Subject: info request Message-ID: Carl: I send along some stuff to your sister - since the FAQ is fairly large, I'll warn her before I send it, just in case there's a problem. John From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 11 09:57:12 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:57:12 +0000 Subject: BOC: Desdinova In-Reply-To: <199603061931.OAA10392@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: Dear All, if I've been following the threads lately, Desdinova is also a foreign minister partially responsible for the First World War (I think I remember that from the sleeve now), as well as being the sea-captain who brought home the mirror which poisoned the minds of Europe as a sort of preliminary. Questions: are we sure Rossignol's book exists? If this has been dealt with I'm sorry. But, if it does, which World War is it? Is Desdinova two people so close together? And whose Minister is he? If German in WWI, could this then make him the father of Captain Von Ondine in time for the next war? Ondine's name seems to suggest a semi-supernatural parentage.. Woo, it's all a bit much. I ought to really do some analysis of this some time, see how closely my version fits with the FAQ. Speaking of which, I'm not too happy with some of the lyrics of ME262 on the FTP server, but I guess offering my versions would breach copyright... JAZZA From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Mon Mar 11 10:20:33 1996 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:20:33 -0500 Subject: ArcMet Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 07:26:00 -0500 > From: "Scott Heller (617) 724-7762" > > Arc Met have been a three piece for several years now. From 1989- > 92' the band was a 6 piece with two guitarist and two synth players. > The current guitarist (Greg Kozlowski, who played at the first Sun > Machine show in CLeveland on NYE) has been with them since late 92'. > Paul Eggleston is the original synth player and one of the founding > members. Deb Younghas been playing drums for the band since 1989, Wow! Considering her... umm.. "skill" on the skins now, it boggles the mind thinking of this. Actaully on the studio stuff she's not that bad, but EVERY time I've seen them live she absolutely can NOT keep time. but > known them and been involved with them since earlier on, but not as a > member. Not to be nasty, but I sometimes wonder if she'ld even be in the band now if it weren't for some non-music related reasons... > They often end their shows with Welcome to the Future. The set > list Wed night was: > > Cascading Folliage This was great. > Holy Ground THis was good too. > Richocet (Tandgerine Dream cover) Which they butchered IMO. I saw them do this when they opened for the Ozrics, and it was great. This time guitar synth/distortion was mostly uncontrollable, the keys were buried and the whole thing just plodded along. None of the intensity of the original. > Holographic Caves > Creature This was a little on the silly side. > Welcome to the Future This rubs me the wrong way when they do it. > 40m > > The CD is still available. they sell them at all of their shows. I > have not seen them in the local stores in a while. There's one sitting in Newbury Comics in Harvard Square. I really do like some of their stuff and think their CD is well worth picking up (just skip Sonic Attack...), but I think their lack of professionalism will keep them from ever really going anywhere. Everytime I see them, they strike me as a few people who decided to get together at the last minute and "make some cool sounds, dude", not a band that's been around as long as they have. David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) Why try holding back the wave? You'll only drown in the changes. You've got to learn to let go. Just let go and experience the flight. Try to see from a different side. If balance is the key, maybe we'll see A future understanding. - "My Global Mind" - QUEENSRYCHE From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 11 10:41:24 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:41:24 -0500 Subject: BOC: Desdinova Message-ID: Rossignol's book does NOT exist (read the FAQ), but since the Imaginos story leads up to World War I, one might expect it to dal with that one. On the other hand, the ME-262 was developed for use in World War II, so . . . But, as is always said in interpreting BOC lyrics - most interpretations could be considered correct. John From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Mar 11 10:42:35 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:42:35 -0500 Subject: BOC: Review of 3/6/95 show in St. Louis Message-ID: >> Side note: Does anyone else's "Secret Treaties" list the credits for >> ME-262 as "-E. Bloom-E. Roeser-S. Pearlman" ?? E. Roeser... > >Hmm... is this on the album, cassette, CD, etc.? I believe my CD has >"D. Roeser" (which is what I listed in the FAQ), but I'll have to go >back and check. Obviously though, it's a typo. CD... It was one I got as part of "3-Pak".... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Mar 11 10:52:30 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:52:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD Message-ID: Mike suggested, among many other things: > Solution: pass a law >requiring parents to do the damn job they signed up for when they had >sex resulting in progeny. Yeah, well, this might work in Cloudcuckooland, but not on the planet known to its inhabitants as "Earth". I tend to hold a similar opinion about "libertarianism" in general. - Andy From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Mar 11 10:55:33 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:55:33 -0500 Subject: HW: SONIC ATTACK ON YOUR DISTRICT!!!!! Message-ID: ...try and get as far away from the sonic source as possible. Or, in this case, NUKE IT!! I can't believe it, I just read over in the new- releases e-mail that I get, "Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin" is being reissued! WHY??? Does the person(s) reissuing this turkey know what he is doing? Why waste the time and effort for something that is gonna just sit on the shelves or picked up by some unsuspecting individual that will be totally turned off of HW, if this is their first exposure to the band? Gar-un-teed to keep you from buying any more HW! I think it is a conspiracy by the pop music business! (Back to initializing disk drives, only 119 left to go...) objCDPlayer: HW / Alien Am I (yeah Tree's voice is a little annoying, but not as much as that friggin' scratch that causes a skip/stick right at the end! Next up, Nik Turner / Past Or Future (I _like_ the record stores in San Jose!) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Mon Mar 11 11:50:48 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:50:48 -0500 Subject: HW: how about a brawl!! Message-ID: > > it is now about a year later and about 20 hawkwind albums added to my > collection including a new studio album from the band; anyone up for > hawkbrawl 96? we've got some new listmembers and also some people who are > just starting their collections that might be interested in the data > generated by this. I for one would like to see how alien 4 rates in the polls > > a couple of considerations are : > 1. I don't have the abilities to tabulate the results and am not sure if > those that did it last year have recooperated yet - > > 2. with new album coming soon and reissues of classics with bonus tracks > should we wait till summer? last year psychedelic warriors had just come > out and only 2 members had the album which had an effect on the ratings > of that one i think- it might take a long time for non- UK listmembers to > get the upcoming new stuff but a lot of us have Alien 4 now. > > what do you think, go or no? Well, I guess I am the official keeper of the HAWKBRAWL (the BRAWLmeister ? ) meaning I ran the two that have happened so far (yes there was a HAWKBRAWL '92 for those more recent of the converted), and have the algorithms, and all the stored votes. I managed to pass the info on to fofp once when he did the tracks poll ( a task I deemed impossible !) but I'm not in a despaerate hurry to either do one immediately or to pass on the info (it takes a fair bit of explaining to setup). I mean we had a three year gap last time !! Also I'm real busy (I have a new daughter, three months old, something I never really advertised to all and sundry), having said all that, maybe I could be convinced a little later in the year, so how about bugging me again in a few months ?? That or if demand really grows to a fever pitch 8-) What I'd like to try, (again not just now) possibly is either a poll on the solo and side project albums, or possibly a poll of the most common "HW-like" bands/albums that come up frequently here (Aamon Duul, Ozrics, Monster Magnet, Procupine Tree etc.) Cheers, Steve L. From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 11 13:07:05 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:07:05 GMT Subject: HW: Uk festival In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:17:33 GMT Message-ID: > In your message dated Friday 8, March 1996 you wrote : > > Has anyone heard anything about the new festival which is > > supposed to be happening in Hampshire this year? > > It's being jointly organised by the people who did last years > > Glastonbury and the people who did the Isle Of Wight festival > > in '70. I wonder if Hawkwind will play outside in protest? > > It's at Cheesefoot Head, I think. More details when they get the liesence. > Damn, I've never been able to spell liecense. > Licence. Soft 'c's throughout Originally from Latin - licit - It is Lawful. See what we've lost by not teaching our dead language roots any longer.... 8-) In return - any dates, any times, any info at all - I'd really like to know about this festival!! cheers jill obSpringHate> the dawn chorus ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Mar 11 13:31:16 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:31:16 EST Subject: HW: how about a brawl!! Message-ID: >What I'd like to try, (again not just now) possibly is either a poll >on the solo and side project albums, or possibly a poll of the most >common "HW-like" bands/albums that come up frequently here (Aamon Duul, >Ozrics, Monster Magnet, Procupine Tree etc.) > >Cheers, >Steve L. Now this starts to sound interesting. IMHO it is still too near the last Hawk-poll to try another one, especially with many new releases looming. However, we haven't made any serious effort to "guide" the neo-Hawk-phytes in the area of HW Solo releases (seeing as the Hawkpoll results were\are probably *most* valuable to those not already familiar with most of the titles). Let's take a stab (now/later/sometime) at rating the ever-increasing number of HW solo releases. This includes Dave Brock's few titles, Huwy's half-dozen or so (no Widowmaker tho!), Harvey's stuff (DO include Alman Mulo), Simon House/Spiral Realms, and Nik's ever-multiplying number of "T.N.T.Hawkwind" releases. I'd even suggest we include the "Annubian Lights" stuff. In my opinion, Nik Turner has been trying to create his own version of Hawkwind since the original one doesn't associate with him anymore. He is doing a good job (witness the two live releases and their loyalty to the original 20-year-old tunes), but he is also using pretty much the very same band to do new, 90s style Techno Space Rock, in the form of Annubian Lights. I *would* suggest that we completely discount ALL of Motorhead, simply because it probably deserves it's very own poll -- and not necessarily one to be carried out on BOC-L. However, I don't have a problem with including pre-HW pre-MH releases in a HW solo poll. Unfortunately, I'm not the right guy to be running this poll. I'd be happy to contribute to the poll-candidates list, if anyone else decides that this is within their abilities... Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Mar 11 14:16:52 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:16:52 -0500 Subject: HW: how about a brawl!! Message-ID: Interesting idea: OK, first stab at list follows... Nik: Nik Turner's Sphynx - Xitintoday [1978] Inner City Unit - Pass Out, The Maximum Effect, Punkadelic, Newanatomy, The President's Tapes Nik Turner - Sphynx [1993], Prophets of Time, Space Ritual 1994 Anubian Lights - The Eternal Sky, Past or Future? Bob: Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters, Lucky Leif and the Longships, Hype, Freq, Test-Tube Conceived, Live at the Queen Elizabeth Hall Dave: Earthed to the Ground, Agents of Chaos, Strange Trips & Pipe Dreams Steve Swindells: Messages, Fresh Blood Huw: uh... Outside the Law, some others... (not wanting to prejudge the poll, but _OTL_ was so crap I stopped there) Harvey: Interstellar Chaos, probably others... Simn House: Yassasim, maybe some 3rd Ear Band stuff Tim Blake: Crystal Machine, New Jerusalem, probably others (but maybe not his Gong work) I don't suggest we include G Baker in this! I'm also not sure it makes too much sense to do this by a ranking system (though that made a lot of sense for Hawkwind) - I think I'd prefer a rating system (marks out of ten and give an average). It's scary how many of these I've got... :) - Andy From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Mar 11 14:29:12 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:29:12 -0500 Subject: BOC: Review of 3/6/95 show in St. Louis Message-ID: > Side note: Does anyone else's "Secret Treaties" list the credits for > ME-262 as "-E. Bloom-E. Roeser-S. Pearlman" ?? E. Roeser... There is no E. Roeser. They were off a letter. CBS Screwed up (again). Big surprise... R. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Mar 11 14:28:12 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:28:12 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: In a message dated 96-03-09 22:15:28 EST, Al writes: > Maybe they'll put in the BOC box set that we keep wishing for. >Al Here's hoping that it sees the light of day. It deserves to. It's a GREAT version... R. Pyromania... LOL!! From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Mar 11 15:17:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:17:00 EST Subject: HW: Are U ready 2 Rumble? Hawkbrawl '96 Message-ID: I have been looking forward to skewing the poll results since I joined the list in Sept. I would like to go along with Mike's suggestion to hold off for a bit yet though. I want to chase down the Brock solo and with an Allan Davey solo and reissues looming, the new music may have an impact. Now I see that the poll may be listing another way. That is fine, but will you get a large enough sample? Even the Hawkbrawls didn't produce that many responses, although the data people did a lot of work. I still can't stand seeing "Needle Gun" at such a low rating!! Rudy From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Mar 11 15:35:48 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:35:48 EST Subject: HW: how about a brawl!! Message-ID: >OK, first stab at list follows... OK, here is a second stab at the same list... Nik Turner: Sphynx [1993] Prophets of Time Space Ritual 1994 Past or Future? Nik Turner's Sphynx - Xitintoday [1978] Inner City Unit - Pass Out The Maximum Effect Punkadelic Newanatomy The President's Tapes Pinkwind - Festival of the Sun Anubian Lights - The Eternal Sky The Jackal and Nine EP Bob Calvert: Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters Lucky Leif and the Longships Hype Freq Test-Tube Conceived Live at the Queen Elizabeth Hall Blueprints From the Cellar Revenge Centigrade 232 Dave Brock: Earthed to the Ground Agents of Chaos Strange Trips & Pipe Dreams Alan Davey: The Elf EP Del Dettmar: Melodic Energy Commission - Strange in Mystery Migration of the Snails Steve Swindells: Messages Fresh Blood Huw Lloyd-Langton: Outside the Law River Run Lloyd-Langton Group - Night Air Like An Arrow (Thru the Heart) Time, Space, and LLG Elegy Harvey Bainbridge: Interstellar Chaos Alman Mulo Band - Afrodiziac Diamonds and Toads Orisha Mamissi Invisible Warrior Simon House: Yassasim Spiral Realms - Trip to G9 Crystal Jungles of Eos High Tide - High Tide Sea Shanties The Flood Precious Cargo Interesting Times (is Simon on this one?) Third Ear Band - ?? (sorry, don't know any of these) Tim Blake: Crystal Machine New Jerusalem Magick Gong - Lemmy Kilminster: Khan - Motorhead - Mike Moorcock: The Brothel in Rosenstrasse Elric on the BBC Deep Fix - New Worlds Fair Ginger Baker: Cream, Air Force, etc etc etc Keith Hale: Adrian Shaw: Magic Muscle, Bevis Frond(?) Dave Anderson: Groundhogs, Amon Duul II Crum: Moonloonies - Detonator >I'm also not sure it makes too much sense to do this by a ranking system. >I think I'd prefer a rating system (marks out of ten and give an average). One of the problems with a poll of this type, is that few of us will be able to rate some of the rarer items listed here. I agree with a 10-point scale (1=very bad, 10=very good) averaged over all submissions. This should at least help someone unfamiliar with the release determine a comparative value to use when deciding between say "Lucky Leif" and "Earthed to the Ground". >It's scary how many of these I've got... :) > >- Andy It's even scarier knowing how few of these I *don't* have... :-) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Mar 11 15:54:39 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:54:39 EST Subject: HW: Are U ready 2 Rumble? Hawkbrawl '96 Message-ID: You know, Steve's second suggestion about a poll of recent topic bands may be a good idea, but I don't know how to make it into a poll per se. I'd love to see a list of the best releases by the many bands that have popped up on BOC-L these past few months, in order to help guide my future buying habits. I kinda think relating each of these bands to HW may be asking a bit much, though... Perhaps this might be more fruitful (meaning more entries will be submitted) in a general Space Rock poll than a HW Solo poll, since many/most of the candidate groups have a wider availability in the USA and UK. We could open it up to any and all entries, to present as large a list of valid suggestions as possible? As long as I'm wasting my company's money making long lists of bands and albums, here are my suggestions for a "Space Rock Poll of best albums that (hopefully) appeal to fans of Hawkwind, many for very different reasons" : Spacious Mind Djam Karet DarXtar Porcupine Tree Sundial Bevis Frond Grobschnitt Eloy Amon Duul (I & II) Ozric Tentacles King Crimson Monster Magnet Archetectural Metaphor Farflung (HW-related!) Gong Kyuss Nektar Omnia Opera Sky Cries Mary Mandragora Magic Mushroom Band Melting Euphoria Guru Guru Zero Gravity (HW-related!) perhaps less space-ROCK and more space-TECHNO: Astralasia Eat Static System 7 (a.k.a. 777) Salt Tank Annubian Lights (if we don't do a HW solo poll!) From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Mar 11 16:28:49 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 16:28:49 -0500 Subject: HW: how about a brawl!! In-Reply-To: <9603111535.A14100@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Mar 11, 96 03:35:48 pm Message-ID: > > >OK, first stab at list follows... > OK, here is a second stab at the same list... > CHOMP! > > Lemmy Kilminster: > Khan - Nope, Steve Hillages' pre-Gong band. We are talking about the SPACE SHANTY Khan, right? -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Mon Mar 11 17:26:24 1996 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 17:26:24 -0500 Subject: BOC: Info on March 30th show in Allentown,PA Message-ID: If anyone can give me any info ob this show, ie. address of the club, phone number, and ticket price, I would REALLY appreciate it. I'm am planning on traveling to Allentown from Buffalo,NY to see the show. The show in Buffalo was rather disappointing, seeing how the sound system was blown three minutes into the show. Thanks, Joe From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Mar 11 17:24:13 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 16:24:13 -0600 Subject: NEW AND UPCOMING CD RELEASES #1996-Mar-11 (fwd) Message-ID: A few insights as to the most recent update: As Craig pointed out, > *r 03/19 Hawkwind Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gaga /cn AAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!! Isn't this a sign of the apocalypse? > *R 04/02 Uriah Heep Time Of Revelation-25 Years On /cn Hmmm... name's familiar. > *r 04/16 Hawkwind Aliens Finally, though it may or may not be for real. For some reason they put that 'r' in there, even though 'r' means previously available in the U.S. Whatever. Damon From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Mar 11 17:47:03 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 17:47:03 EST Subject: HW: how about a brawl!! Message-ID: >> Lemmy Kilminster: >> Khan - > >Nope, Steve Hillages' pre-Gong band. We are talking about the SPACE >SHANTY Khan, right? > >-- > -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com > ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company > -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 >-------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 Yep, that's the one. I didn't recall who was in it, or which was the album name vs. the group name, but that's the one. I did think it was HW-related, tho. Captain Cloud From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Mar 11 17:51:50 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 16:51:50 -0600 Subject: OFF:Re:McDonalds Incident (was:READ THIS) In-Reply-To: <9603111411.aa16201@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, M Holmes wrote: > IMHO, incidents like the idiot who sued MacDonalds over her spilling hot > coffee over herself while driving with it in her lap indicate that the > US has of late become Very Unclear On The Concept of personal > responsibility. Ah, now's my chance to jump in... Here's what *really* happened with the McDonald's suit: 1) The lady did in fact get 3rd degree burns. (When you're stuck in the car with your seatbelt on and 140-150 degree liquid in your lap, it will definitely burn.) 2) She originally did not sue for the millions that she received, but something more like the medical costs (however much they were) plus maybe $10,000 more for the trauma or what not. 3) The Courtroom Scene (with paraphrases, of course): JUDGE/PROSECUTOR: Mr. McDonald's Representative, your coffee is clearly hot enough to give this kind of injury to a person. Why don't you simply lower the temperature of your coffee? McD'S REP: Your honor, we make $30 million every hour/day [whatever he said... McD's is a big chain] on our coffee alone because it is the hottest coffee anyone can get. Any customer can come to McDonald's on his way to work, get his coffee, drive in rush hour traffic, go to a top floor office, get set up and then drink his coffee, and it will still be hot. The other chains cannot say the same. That is why we refuse to lower the temperature of our coffee. [later] JUDGE'S DECISION: I award the victim an amount equal to the profit in coffee sales that McDonald's generates in one hour. Damon Capehart | "Ladies and gentlemen, Ronco brings you the dcapehar at utdallas.edu | home cloning kit, a complete do it yourself kit The Society of Physics | for personal cloning. Buy one today and be the Students at UTD | first on your block to be second!" From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Mar 11 17:59:05 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 16:59:05 -0600 Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD In-Reply-To: <9603111411.aa16201@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, M Holmes wrote: > Solution: pass a law requiring parents to do the damn job they signed > up for when they had sex resulting in progeny. OK... and the punishment for not doing so? Jail, perhaps? What happens to the kids? Wards of the court? How about fines? Great, less money to feed the kids. And then, to what extent would you define "doing the damn job"? Damon Capehart | "Ladies and gentlemen, Ronco brings you the dcapehar at utdallas.edu | home cloning kit, a complete do it yourself kit The Society of Physics | for personal cloning. Buy one today and be the Students at UTD | first on your block to be second!" From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Mar 11 17:57:34 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 17:57:34 EST Subject: BOC: Heavy Metal now in theaters Message-ID: This weekend the new Heavy Metal started. Has anybody seen it yet? What new animation sequences, and what new songs (BOC or otherwise) are in this re-issue? This movie was a staple for years and years with my crowd... Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Mar 11 17:59:37 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 17:59:37 EST Subject: Glastonbury on CD Message-ID: Here is the response I got from Tunnel Records, the people who were listing the Glastonbury Festival 2CD ($26) in their recent catalog: >>> Hello Chuck and thank you for your e-mail. We can get, but do not stock, the Glastonbury show - it's too old now. It would take only a few weeks, and you can order more than one. Best wishes Tunnel Records <<< The Email addr for anybody interested in a copy of this, is: Tunnelrecs at aol.com I have ordered from them before (for in-stock items) with no problems. Good luck! Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Mar 11 18:36:32 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:36:32 -0500 Subject: BOC: Police Academy Message-ID: So just why is the gay bar in the first "Police Academy" movie (which is on TV right now) called "The Blue Oyster"? Coincidence? Or something more interesting? - Andy From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Mar 11 18:44:37 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:44:37 -0500 Subject: NEW AND UPCOMING CD RELEASES #1996-Mar-11 (fwd) In-Reply-To: from "Le Monsieur Damon" at Mar 11, 96 04:24:13 pm Message-ID: > > A few insights as to the most recent update: > As Craig pointed out, > > *r 03/19 Hawkwind Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gaga /cn > AAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!! Isn't this a sign of the apocalypse? > Naaah, just the sigh of a screwed-up marketing move (or a sinster one, plotted by the forces of stupid muzak...) > > *R 04/02 Uriah Heep Time Of Revelation-25 Years On /cn > Hmmm... name's familiar. > "Easy Livin'/And I've been forgiven/since you, ahhhh, taken your place/in my heart..." Ring a bell? Howzabout "Let's all go to the Magician's Birthday/ In the forest, but not so far away"... There are a couple of other UH CD's due to be re-released with bonus tracks, BTW... > > *r 04/16 Hawkwind Aliens > Finally, though it may or may not be for real. For some reason they put > that 'r' in there, even though 'r' means previously available in the U.S. I'm surprised that I missed that in there! Too late for me, got a UK copy. (All you Youkayan may thank me for helping stimulate your economy. And I will continue to do this by consuming Bass Ale and Guinness Stout, whenever I am not supporting the American Microbrew community! Cheers!) > Whatever. > > Damon > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Tue Mar 12 09:18:52 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:18:52 U Subject: BOC: Police Academy Message-ID: >So just why is the gay bar in the first "Police Academy" movie (which is on >TV right now) called "The Blue Oyster"? Coincidence? Or something more >interesting? I don't know about anyone else, but every time I mention BOC to the unenlightened, I get the reply; "Like the Blue Oyster Bar in Police Academy eh, hurgh hurgh hurgh, snort". Dunno 'bout you guys, but it cracks me up every time... *yawn* Cheers, Rich. ** That's not Enya That's not Enya That's not Enya That's not Enya ** From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 12 08:04:45 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 08:04:45 EST Subject: OFF:Re:McDonalds Incident (was:READ THIS) Message-ID: > On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, M Holmes wrote: > > IMHO, incidents like the idiot who sued MacDonalds over her spilling hot > > coffee over herself while driving with it in her lap indicate that the > > US has of late become Very Unclear On The Concept of personal > > responsibility. > > Ah, now's my chance to jump in... > Here's what *really* happened with the McDonald's suit: > 1) The lady did in fact get 3rd degree burns. (When you're stuck in the > car with your seatbelt on and 140-150 degree liquid in your lap, it will > definitely burn.) Now my turn! I saw a story about the MacDo coffee incident on a '60 mins' type show. They showed photos of her burns, and they looked gruesome. Still, when you buy a cup of coffee, youu should expect it to be hot! I don't think people should be driving around with hot coffee in their hands. What if you have to make an emergency move, brake hard etc? [I know, I know! I drink coffee in the car all the time!] If you're going to choose to drive around with hot coffee, you have to take your chances along with the risk. I expect if she'd put the coffee in a cup holder 'til she got to where she was going, she'd have been okay. The law should take into account personal responsibility. I don't think MacDo is responsible for her 'misuse' of a cup of hot coffee... > 2) She originally did not sue for the millions that she received, but > something more like the medical costs (however much they were) plus maybe > $10,000 more for the trauma or what not. > I don't know about that, but the above news show said that the original judgement was greatly reduced, and MacDo was appealing, etc. I don't know that the crone ever got a nickel for her troubles. > 3) The Courtroom Scene (with paraphrases, of course): > JUDGE/PROSECUTOR: Mr. McDonald's Representative, your coffee is clearly > hot enough to give this kind of injury to a person. Why don't you simply > lower the temperature of your coffee? > > McD'S REP: Your honor, we make $30 million every hour/day [whatever he > said... McD's is a big chain] on our coffee alone because it is the > hottest coffee anyone can get. Any customer can come to McDonald's on > his way to work, get his coffee, drive in rush hour traffic, go to a top > floor office, get set up and then drink his coffee, and it will still be > hot. The other chains cannot say the same. That is why we refuse to > lower the temperature of our coffee. > But I tell ya, if you think MacDo coffee is hot, try Dunkin' Donuts! If the heat doesn't get you, the abnormally high caffeine content will! > [later] > JUDGE'S DECISION: I award the victim an amount equal to the profit in > coffee sales that McDonald's generates in one hour. > Again, I believe the judgement will ultimately be a lot smaller than we expected... theo > Damon Capehart | "Ladies and gentlemen, Ronco brings you the > dcapehar at utdallas.edu | home cloning kit, a complete do it yourself kit > The Society of Physics | for personal cloning. Buy one today and be the > Students at UTD | first on your block to be second!" > From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 12 08:08:43 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 08:08:43 EST Subject: BOC: Info on March 30th show in Allentown,PA Message-ID: > If anyone can give me any info ob this show, ie. address of the club, phone > number, and ticket price, I would REALLY appreciate it. I'm am planning > on traveling to Allentown from Buffalo,NY to see the show. The show > in Buffalo was rather disappointing, seeing how the sound system was > blown three minutes into the show. > > Thanks, > Joe Joe, Damn! When did they play Buffalo? I'm up in Syracuse, and I would've made the trip. Let me know what you find out about Allentown. I may make that show myself if the venue's any good. Check with ROBO on BOC-L. He doesn't live all that far from Allentown, and is sure to be going. theo From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Mar 12 10:10:25 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 15:10:25 +0000 Subject: For Allan Message-ID: Hi Allan, I've got the following line up for side 1 of tape 4 (assuming a 60 min tape): Sponge - "The Right Stuff" - "Assassins of Allah" Finally Balanced - "Hurry On Sundown" Wat Tyler - "Master Of The Universe" This leaves the end of Tape 3, side 2, with Sore Throat coming straight after Dark Sun. This will fit on a 90 minute tape. We can put the new Architectural Metaphor on side 2 of tape 4, followed by the MuloWind. Is this OK? Dave. From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Tue Mar 12 11:00:20 1996 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 17:00:20 +0100 Subject: At the end of the day..... Message-ID: At 12.33 1996-03-10 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Doug: > >>Here's a hypothetical question for you: >>How long a set would you have to play behind the kit to equal >>one NYC marathon? I'm not sure what form of measurement >>would be most valid, so why don't you do the honors... =) > >It's not compatable. Marathons involve almost exclusively large muscle mass >(ie. the quads, calves, abs) and playing the drums involve small muscles >(ie. wrists, fingers, ankles, triceps). Long distance running requires >slow-twitch muscles and drumming requires fast-twitch fibers. > >The marathon is a great experience. It's also very humbling. If you enjoy >running I recommend it . >Al I agree. Marathon is a real treat;-) I have only done 2 so far though (Im truly impressed, Al!). For the arithmetically gifted I can tell you this: if I, at the start of Stockholm marathon 1994, would have brought with me a walkman and tapes of the first BOC-albums and played them during the humbling experience, I would have crossed the finishing line with Tattoo Vampire pounding in my ears... "Wrapped in hell, I lost my breath..." Dan "The difference between theory and practice in practice is greater than the difference between theory and practice in theory." lindfors at algonet.se From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Tue Mar 12 13:52:42 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 13:52:42 EST Subject: BOC: Info on March 30th show in Allentown,PA Message-ID: ----- Begin Included Message - If anyone can give me any info ob this show, ie. address of the club, phone number, and ticket price, I would REALLY appreciate it. ----- End Included Message ----- Allentown Show @ Starz (formerly Zodiac Club) - 610-435-4389 , Sat. March 30. 7:30PM From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 12 14:20:04 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 14:20:04 -0500 Subject: At the end of the day..... Message-ID: =You= may be wrapped in hell when you cross that line, but the correct lyrics are "wrapped in HAIR"! DF From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Tue Mar 12 17:02:31 1996 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 23:02:31 +0100 Subject: At the end of the day..... Message-ID: At 14.20 1996-03-12 -0500, you wrote: >=You= may be wrapped in hell when you cross that line, but the correct lyrics >are "wrapped in HAIR"! >DF > Sorry, I read it in the old Agents/Spectres songbook... :-) DL "The difference between theory and practice in practice is greater than the difference between theory and practice in theory." lindfors at algonet.se From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Tue Mar 12 17:36:48 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 17:36:48 EST Subject: OFF: The Cult Message-ID: I'm a huge Cult fan, so it really depressed me to hear that they have broken-up. Does anyone here have any specifics as to why it happened or what the deal is with Ian Astbury's new band? Thanks, Brian From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Wed Mar 13 09:40:42 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:40:42 U Subject: OFF: The Cult Message-ID: > I'm a huge Cult fan, so it really depressed me to hear that they >have broken-up. Does anyone here have any specifics as to why it happened >or what the deal is with Ian Astbury's new band? Probably Billy Duffy's fault, for several reasons. 1) Manchester City are doing so badly, he's intending to kill himself. 2) Peter Hook of New Order is a more famous Man. City fan than he is. 3) Oasis are now *far* more famous Man. City fans than he is. 4) Rumour has it that Oasis are going to sponsor Man. City. 5) The last album was dire, and he doesn't want to go through the agony of getting slated again. :-) Cheers, Rich. ** That's not Enya That's not Enya That's not Enya That's not Enya ** From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Wed Mar 13 06:24:06 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:24:06 +0000 Subject: OFF - and multiply! In-Reply-To: <199603130637.GAA28448@listserv.rl.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Paul Mather writes: > > > Mike Holmes wrote: > > > > which is this: why should the Internet be allowed special, unlimited > > access to certain types of material when the same is not true of this same > > material outside of it? Because the concept of censorship has been abused on by a small fanatical minority in power to the detriment of the healthy development of the human race... and it's about time the balance was redressed?! > My argument is less that the Internet should be free of the usual laws > on pornography etc than that these laws should not exist *at all* Here here! I think that mystifying sex (which is what censorship achieves - wether desired or not) causes far more problems than having a well informed and more liberal society with no censorship. (also let's face it, sex and it's peripheral associations are about one of the only enjoyable things left for us! (Apart from good food, music etc.. ) > nation seems kinda silly. Will you obey the Iranian religious > restriction laws when they apply them to the Internet? I will if they're lurking outside with there electronic batons!! > > It seems to me that the "free the Internet" > > advocates are talking out of both corners of their mouths; on the one hand > > they say they Internet should be treated no differently from other media, > > yet on the other they demand unlimited, unfettered access to material that > > is legally restricted outside of it. Unless I am missing something... I think you are missing the point that not everybody is happy with the way the World is run (if indeed we can say that it is 'run' at all) and that some people are pig sick of being dictated/restricted by laws to which they don't subscribe. (Yes; ban drugs, sex.. music will be next (it's far too subversive!) - and what you are left with is work, cricket and gardening... super if you like the latter 3 ... but enough to drive anyone 'normal(!) into and back out of a mental home to comit some perverse crime, to a sheep, whilst listening to Iron Maiden. > > "normal adults" are offended by pornography or extreme violence. Not > > everyone likes to see pictures of cigarettes being stubbed out on dicks, > > bound people having objects forcibly inserted into them, Yes, but don't forget that *some* do - and they're not people that you'd classify as abnormal, infact you vote for most of them! > > people eating shit, scenes of torture and > > execution, and similar aesthetic delicacies. I would suggest that censorship has created these scenarios in the first place - what if these people had been able to develop a healthy sexual outlook instead of believing that satisfying sex was taboo and probably something to do with rubber gloves! > requiring parents to do the damn job they signed up for when they had > sex resulting in progeny. Hurrah - vote for Mike!!! ;) > > And before you say it, no, nobody insisted the > > newsgroups the images came from be banned or removed. Just that they not > > be allowed to be displayed in the laboratory. Sounds like a good idea to me - I mean not only are we funding the little p****s through University but providing free entertainment when they should be working. I'm all for 'localised' restricted access - case dependant.. but likewise restrict access to Doom and other non productive activitiese. > > Arguments about the degrading effects upon society aside, the fact remains > > that children lack the emotional maturity to process extreme material, > > especially where it is presented in an unusual context. It is of benefit > > to everyone, therefore, if we try and keep material deemed legally obscene > > away from minors, and direct it towards those that enjoy it. Then.. as FoFP suggests it is a case of the parents and institutions who deal with children to restrict access... > > Or, as is > > common with many specialist services, the user should pay to access it, > > and such payment would carry the burden of proper authentication. Go on Tax it!!!!! :( > How about anonymous digital cash? That's almost here already. No Mike, you shouldn't agree with this - the only reason you'd have to pay for it, is if it's 'censored' - perhaps (like going ex-directory) those who don't want to receive it should 'opt' out and pay the cost?! - as with all other forms of communication, information, education etc on the Internet there should be no censorship. But I guess we've finally hit the reoot of all this debate - it's purely because there is a buck to be made! > Nevertheless, clicking on a link causes your machine to download > information from another machine. In that sense, pornography as well as > pizza is *requested* by the user. The solution to the "unknown link" > problem is to require labelling of controversial material Sound feasible/ not unreasonable > Then the CDA should advocate prosecution when something controversial is > clearly mislabelled. Sounds simple and easy to adhere to, seconded! > I figure that anyone requesting "Bianca's Smut Shack" knows exactly what > they want. > > > > > Indeed, the retail outlets > > > > for such merchandise are prohibited to those under the age of majority, > > > > yet we are supposed to lift any and all barriers to access on the > > > > Internet? > > > > > > Should the Internet be something that is safe for kids? If so then why > > > shouldn't roads? Make an 8mph speed limit everywhere? Yeh - and no more guns or knives shown on television (at all, ever, so neh!) > > Actually, a lot of local authorities are now recognising that it is more > > cost-effective to society to slow down (or even remove entirely) cars in > > suburban areas and around schools. Which is a taking a complete liberty over childless couples who not only live in the area but are burdened by the ridiculous cost of installing these monstrosities, those sleeping policemen are ruining my suspension! It seems to me that responsible people (ie those that avoid children!) are always paying the cost of others desire to propagate their own seeds in a bizarre attempt at immortality! > > accidents involving children, which, in turn, places less strain on our > > medical facilities to patch up the damage such car accidents inflict. I > > think they're observing the old-fashioned maxim "an ounce of prevention is > > worth a pound of cure..." So take the pill!!!! > > > > I don't understand. Have you actually *seen* the cover of an adult video? > > They're hardly discreet. And likewise they're hardly OTT offensive, unless your mum brought you up really badly with a grimly narrow mind and your eyes firmly welded shut. > > Besides, I think the reason for the separate room is as much to avoid > > embarrassment to the punters browsing that section than to bar minors. ;-) > > Indeed. ..and exactly *why* do the punters feel embarressed? CENSORSHIP! > > I'm probably being grossly ignorant here so forgive me, but I believe > > congress doesn't "make" the law; it's left up to "local standards of > > decency" to define what is or is not obscene or prohibited. ..and these are set by the aforementioned narrow minded, ignorant, fanatical minority previously mentioned. > > that is how I remember it being explained to me.) It is for this reason > > that oral sex, for example, is illegal in certain states (or areas) in the > > U.S.A. but not in others. What a stupid law - these people are asseholes of the first degree and should be bound up and whipped (..and I bet most of them are agreeing to that statement - you *know* you're a red neck!> > Giving them the right to ban pornographers on the Net means that after > that we exist only by permission. If they get the right to ban anyone, > they get the right to ban us. And that, sadly is that! I sometimes wonder if I landed on the right planet at all, (yeh Cloud Cuckoo land would suit me loads - at least I wouldn't have to put up with all these drivelly humanoids) but I must have been misplaced during the last spaceship outing...... whatever, we were Born to go! :( :( :( Maxine The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day mxw at dmu.ac.uk Shall fold their tents like the Arabs http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw/ And as silently steal away. Honda CB250 RS H.W. Longfellow From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Wed Mar 13 07:25:20 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 07:25:20 EST Subject: HW Pil/Tre/StA Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 13/03/96 12.22 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Hi All, Here's the conclusions I've come to regarding :- St Albans/Treforest/Pilton 80 Tapes labelled as all 3 exist, but are all from the same source, (as yet undefined). HW did play Pilton in 1980, but this was not the huge festival site, but a 'benefit' gig played in a shed or marquee. A music mag cutting confirms the gig (with no date). As for which of the 3 the tape is of, my personal thoughts are: St Albans: Not this one due to the opening comments by Dave about all being squashed in. Also the banter between Dave & Ginger about age, needing a leak etc. Doesn't Huwy mention the cold temperature? The crowd noise also sounds festival-like. Treforest: I don't think they even played there in 1980, ie no documentary proof. Pilton: Probably this one, with the wrong date. Anybody think otherwise strongly about this? All for now. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 13 07:46:44 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 12:46:44 +0000 Subject: OFF - and multiply! In-Reply-To: from "Maxine Wesley" at Mar 13, 96 11:24:06 am Message-ID: > (also let's > face it, sex and it's peripheral associations are about one of the only > enjoyable things left for us! (Apart from good food, music etc.. ) Maybe that's why the people I know in Cambridge seem like such randy bastards ;) There's not a good enough music scene, lame food, mediocre and expensive ale ... ;) > (Yes; ban drugs, sex.. music will be next > (it's far too subversive!) - and what you are left with is work, cricket and > gardening... super if you like the latter 3 ... but enough to drive > anyone 'normal(!) into and back out of a mental home to comit > some perverse crime, to a sheep, whilst listening to Iron Maiden. Of course, cricket is a deviant perversion all it's own ... ;) > > > And before you say it, no, nobody insisted the > > > newsgroups the images came from be banned or removed. Just that they not > > > be allowed to be displayed in the laboratory. > > Sounds like a good idea to me - I mean not only are we funding the > little p****s through University but providing free entertainment when they > should be working. I'm all for 'localised' restricted access - case > dependant.. but likewise restrict access to Doom and other non > productive activitiese. Like boc-l? Or are we a vital force for the advancement of culture? :) >>>> Should the Internet be something that is safe for kids? If so then why >>>> shouldn't roads? Make an 8mph speed limit everywhere? 8 mph? Are you kidding? At insane speeds like that a person might spill their cup of fast food coffee on themselves. I the only solution is a legal mandate to chain people into dark closets were they will be heavily sedated to minimize the risk of any percieved harm. :P > I sometimes wonder if I landed on the right planet at all, (yeh Cloud > Cuckoo land would suit me loads - at least I wouldn't have to put up > with all these drivelly humanoids) but I must have been misplaced > during the last spaceship outing...... whatever, we were Born to go! > > :( :( :( Unfortunately, in the immortal words of the good Mr. Kilmister: "No alien utopia will long survive our bravery ..." ("Make 'Em Blind", I think, from _Sacrifice_.) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 13 07:50:31 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 12:50:31 +0000 Subject: At the end of the day..... In-Reply-To: <960312142003_349056619@emout08.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Mar 12, 96 02:20:04 pm Message-ID: > =You= may be wrapped in hell when you cross that line, but the correct lyrics > are "wrapped in HAIR"! Oh, that would be alright then--I'm usually wrapped in hair, but being wrapped in hell is another matter all together :) Cheers, Carl From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Wed Mar 13 08:07:49 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:07:49 GMT Subject: OFF - and multiply! Message-ID: Apologies first. I wasn't going to post anything else about the great censorship debate but sometimes keeping quiet is the worst possible thing to do. Maxine wrote: > Because the concept of censorship has been abused on by a small > fanatical minority in power to the detriment of the healthy development > of the human race... and it's about time the balance was redressed?! Of course the fear of new ideas, particularly where those ideas threaten the power of an elite has led to repression. We might look at the pagans attitudes to the early Christains, the Christians attitudes to dissident philosophers before the rennaissance as good examples. Similarly the free dissemination of information without checks and balances has serious, often fatal, effects upon millions of lives today. The hatred spread by the Hutus and Tutsi peoples of central Africa, extremist Hindu and Muslim politicians in parts of India, Holocaust denial in Europe is all freely available. People read, see or hear this stuff and are then influenced by it. Merely arguing against such views has little effect (the Protocols of Zion continue to be influential amongst Nazi and white supremacist groups many years after being discredited). It might suprise libertarians but not everyone has your incredibly highly developed critical faculties, people are influenced by the information they receive. The internet is the fastest method yet developed of spreading rumour and hatred. By the time a denial has been disseminated the lies of extremists are already in the public domain and being accepted. Not everyone who sees the lie will ever see a rebutal. > I think you are missing the point that not everybody is happy with the > way the World is run (if indeed we can say that it is 'run' at all) and > that some people are pig sick of being dictated/restricted by laws to > which they don't subscribe. That's right. Some people, for instance, want to kill Jews or remove non-whites from parts of Europe. I presume that you don't think it right for people to do these things? Laws DO NOT exist to please anyone. they are there so that we can all co-exist with the minmum of hassle. If you don't like that then fair enough, you don't have to obey the law provided you are willing to take the consequences should you be caught. This is a noble tradition amongst British political dissidents from the anti-poll tax campaign back. What you do not have the right to do, in my view, is remove protection from the vulnerable to satisfy your own desires. > I would suggest that censorship has created these scenarios in the first > place - Rubbish. Paedophiles are usually the victims of abuse themselves, possessing child-porn does not reduce their disgusting activites. > Sounds like a good idea to me - I mean not only are we funding the > little p****s through University Fancy that eh? A state funded education system! Whatever next? A state funded/developed internet? Oh no we have one of those, sorry my mistake :-) In fact this is a key issue, large parts of the internet are government owned - the cables which carry this message away from my office are part of the UK state-funded network and the same is probably true of most other countries. Most users remain in universities. Whilst the state is involved the govt has a right to say what its networks are used for. If you don't like this then get a commercial account. > Go on Tax it!!!!! :( Unless you are VAT exempt I would assume that any UK subscriber to a commercial ISP is paying tax already. > - as with all other forms of communication, information, education etc on > the Internet there should be no censorship. No. As I've demonstrated above the internet is different because it allows the dissemination of propaganda without a *right of reply*. This can surely not be called communication! > Yeh - and no more guns or knives shown on television (at all, ever, so neh!) As a life-long pacifist I can't disagree with this proposition :-) Well done Maxine, at last a cogent argument. > Which is a taking a complete liberty over childless couples who not > only live in the area but are burdened by the ridiculous cost of > installing these monstrosities, those sleeping policemen are ruining my > suspension! It seems to me that responsible people (ie those that avoid > children!) are always paying the cost of others desire to propagate their > own seeds in a bizarre attempt at immortality! Excuse me! But what the hell is this all about? There are 2 points I take from this: you believe that traffic control/calming is a bad thing (so presumably you feel free to ignore speed limits), you object to paying for other peoples children. Are you therefore opposed to state education, state health care, dole, pensions - all of which are benefits accruing to others from your taxes. Incidentally I rarely drive these days, preferring to cycle and I find sleeping policeman most amusing. The other day I was chased over one by a boy-racer and his car made a lovely noise as it bottomed out on the far side. Me 1, wanker 0 :-) > > Giving them the right to ban pornographers on the Net means that after > > that we exist only by permission. If they get the right to ban anyone, > > they get the right to ban us. > > And that, sadly is that! Where it's state funded that is, and should remain, the case. Chris From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 13 08:59:45 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:59:45 EST Subject: OFF - and multiply! Message-ID: > It might suprise libertarians but not everyone has your incredibly > highly developed critical faculties, people are influenced by the > information they receive. The internet is the fastest method yet > developed of spreading rumour and hatred. By the time a denial has been > disseminated the lies of extremists are already in the public > domain and being accepted. Not everyone who sees the lie will ever > see a rebutal. > Right! I believe that in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing, the net was flooded with requests for instructions on how to duplicate this brave, freedom-fighting act. Right here in river city last month a bunch of junior-high kids were caught plotting to bomb their school. They learned this from the net, and they were just trying to re-live the exploits of the Okla. City assholes. I love freedom, but I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of it for the public good. It's all well and good for you Brits to argue about total freedom--you don't have teenagers brandishing Uzis and hosing down their own neighborhoods for fun. Forget that the US is a screwed-up place, I acknowledge that. But the guns and explosives are here, and here to stay. I don't see how the freedom to learn how to use this shit is of any possible benefit to society, at least not here. theo > From kfrazier at NCSA.UIUC.EDU Wed Mar 13 08:36:49 1996 From: kfrazier at NCSA.UIUC.EDU (Keith Frazier) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:36:49 -0500 Subject: OFF - and multiply! Message-ID: >trying to re-live the exploits of the Okla. City assholes. I love >freedom, but I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of it for the public If you really love your freedom and having it for your children then you can in no way give up some of your freedoms. True to form when you sacrifice some the rest will also start to go. Our forefathers would never give up any of those rights. The put their lives down for what we have. In the words of Thomas Jefferson...Any citizen that would give up any freedom for a little security deserves neither. The U.S. governments tactic for the last 100 yrs has been, Let's take their freedoms little by little and they won't notice how little freedom they have left until it's too late. Keith From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Wed Mar 13 09:52:01 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:52:01 EST Subject: OFF - and stop Message-ID: > If you really love your freedom and having it for your children then you > can in no way give up some of your freedoms. I don't have any problem with giving in a little. Note how NY had to go so far as to ban smoking in all public places because the selfish SOB's, who had rights to smoke, thought they also had the right to pollute everyone else's air. Unfortunatly, short of taking the matter in your own hands, you have to accept limitations to freedoms in order to protect the rest of the folks. RR From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Wed Mar 13 15:13:56 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 15:13:56 U Subject: OFF - and multiply! Message-ID: Sorry to bring this up, but however valid and well informed this thread is (very interesting too I might add), this is still boc-l isn't it? Possibly we've strayed a little too far off topic? Cheers, Rich. ** That's not Enya That's not Enya That's not Enya That's not Enya ** From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 13 10:27:49 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 10:27:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: Let's take it off Message-ID: Flame me if you want, but . . . I think it's time we took some of these off-topic subject, like internet censorship, off-line. I support people's rights to talk about what they want, but BOC-L is founded for talking about BOC/Hawkwind and related topics. Just because people use the "OFF" filter in the subject line shouldn't be used as justification for continuing these off-topic discussions ad infinitum here on BOC-L. Those of you who wish to debate other topics should consider taking them off-line, or to the appropriate discussion group. Or, flame the hell out of me for being so rude as to suggest such. ;-) John From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 13 10:27:32 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 15:27:32 GMT Subject: OFF - and multiply! In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:24:06 +0000 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > > Paul Mather writes: > > > > > Mike Holmes wrote: > I would suggest that censorship has created these scenarios in the > first place - what if these people had been able to develop a healthy > sexual outlook instead of believing that satisfying sex was taboo and > probably something to do with rubber gloves! You mean it isn't?? > > requiring parents to do the damn job they signed up for when they > > had sex resulting in progeny. > Hurrah - vote for Mike!!! ;) Actually, I was toying with the idea of standing as a Libertarian in the local elections here. My reasons are less that I think there's any chance at all of being elected (it'd realy bugger up my social life if that happened) than I'd like to hit back at the Labour Council over their ridiculous curfew on opening hours. Something like "Nanny State Says It's Time For Bed" would be good as a slogan :-) [...] > > > Or, as is common with many specialist services, the user should > > > pay to access it, and such payment would carry the burden of > > > proper authentication. > Go on Tax it!!!!! :( > > How about anonymous digital cash? That's almost here already. > No Mike, you shouldn't agree with this - I wasn't. I was implying that with Anonymous Digital Cash, the burden of payment needn't necessarily go hand in hand with proof of age. Of course such a system is also impossible to tax. The next step of control of the Internet will almost certainly be to attempt a ban on encryption and anonymous cash. Someone at Imperial College London has been arguing that the Internet will enable richer folks to trade services without being taxed. That's a worrying thing for a State. In the end, the Internet could do for Western majoritarian democracies what photocopiers did for Soviet Communism. > the only reason you'd have to > pay for it, is if it's 'censored' - perhaps (like going ex-directory) > those who don't want to receive it should 'opt' out and pay the cost?! There are interesting implications of anarcho-capitalist justice systems which would result in bluenoses having to pay for bluenose laws. I've always wondered just how many people would worry about other people's behaviour if they had to expend money to do so rather than just a vote. However, that's even more off topic so I'll save it for the list I'm setting up to take this offline. ObSoon: Real Soon Now... > - as with all other forms of communication, information, education etc > on the Internet there should be no censorship. But I guess we've > finally hit the reoot of all this debate - it's purely because there > is a buck to be made! > > Nevertheless, clicking on a link causes your machine to download > > information from another machine. In that sense, pornography as > > well as pizza is *requested* by the user. The solution to the > > "unknown link" problem is to require labelling of controversial > > material > Sound feasible/ not unreasonable > > Then the CDA should advocate prosecution when something > > controversial is clearly mislabelled. > Sounds simple and easy to adhere to, seconded! > > > > Should the Internet be something that is safe for kids? If so > > > > then why shouldn't roads? Make an 8mph speed limit everywhere? > Yeh - and no more guns or knives shown on television (at all, ever, so > neh!) Ummm, can you say "V chip"? That's more of the same nonsense of the government doing parents jobs for them. [...] > > > that is how I remember it being explained to me.) It is for this > > > reason that oral sex, for example, is illegal in certain states > > > (or areas) in the U.S.A. but not in others. > What a stupid law - these people are asseholes of the first degree and > should be bound up and whipped Ooooh, I think that's probably illegal too. Besides, why should they have all the fun? ;-) > I sometimes wonder if I landed on the right planet at all, (yeh Cloud > Cuckoo land would suit me loads - at least I wouldn't have to put up > with all these drivelly humanoids) but I must have been misplaced > during the last spaceship outing...... Does that happen to you too? > Maxine FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 13 10:44:36 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 15:44:36 GMT Subject: OFF - and multiply! In-Reply-To: Chris Bates's message of Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:07:49 GMT Message-ID: Chris Bates writes: > It might suprise libertarians but not everyone has your incredibly > highly developed critical faculties, people are influenced by the > information they receive. The internet is the fastest method yet > developed of spreading rumour and hatred. By the time a denial has been > disseminated the lies of extremists are already in the public > domain and being accepted. Not everyone who sees the lie will ever > see a rebutal. When it's underground there *is* no rebuttal. I'd rather have it out in the open where iconoclasts like myself can aim both barrels and shoot 'em down. Call me naive, but I live in the hope that actually demonstrating how to take dumb arguments apart on the Internet might just help a few people develop some critical faculties. I've certainly put in my time arguing both with the British National Party and with the Anti-Nazi League. One for racist views and the other for attacking freedom of speech. [...] > That's right. Some people, for instance, want to kill Jews or > remove non-whites from parts of Europe. I presume that you don't > think it right for people to do these things? Laws DO NOT exist > to please anyone. they are there so that we can all co-exist > with the minmum of hassle. If you don't like that then fair > enough, you don't have to obey the law provided you are willing to > take the consequences should you be caught. This is a noble tradition > amongst British political dissidents from the anti-poll tax campaign > back. Fairy Nuff, but I'd like to at least distinguish between laws with actuall victims (be they dead Jews or similar) and laws which are intended merely to control people from some claimed harm to themselves. We're arguing about victimless crime laws here, specifically the right of adults to read and view what they please. > What you do not have the right to do, in my view, is remove > protection from the vulnerable to satisfy your own desires. Exactly how would anyone "vulnerable" be affected were I to view a picture of a couple having sex? > No. As I've demonstrated above the internet is different because > it allows the dissemination of propaganda without a *right of > reply*. This can surely not be called communication! There's always a right to reply on the Internet. The fact that someone might not read it doesn't alter that. > > Which is a taking a complete liberty over childless couples who not > > only live in the area but are burdened by the ridiculous cost of > > installing these monstrosities, those sleeping policemen are ruining my > > suspension! It seems to me that responsible people (ie those that avoid > > children!) are always paying the cost of others desire to propagate their > > own seeds in a bizarre attempt at immortality! > > Excuse me! But what the hell is this all about? There are 2 points > I take from this: you believe that traffic control/calming is a bad > thing (so presumably you feel free to ignore speed limits), you object > to paying for other peoples children. Are you therefore opposed to > state education, state health care, dole, pensions - all of which > are benefits accruing to others from your taxes. Let me go on record as being opposed to those things where people are *forced* to contribute. I believe that they would be (mostly) Good Things if contributions were voluntary. > > > Giving them the right to ban pornographers on the Net means that after > > > that we exist only by permission. If they get the right to ban anyone, > > > they get the right to ban us. > > > > And that, sadly is that! > > Where it's state funded that is, and should remain, the case. And let's see now: the State gets to decide who gets into the telecommunications business. A pretty good stitchup eh? > Chris FoFP From Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Wed Mar 13 11:39:57 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:39:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Cult Message-ID: I hear his new band is called the Holy Barbarians and they should have an album out around May 25th or so. Someone who's seen them already claims they sound like the Cult during the 'Electric' period. Chris From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Mar 13 11:30:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:30:00 EST Subject: Off: Read and Believe? Message-ID: >It might suprise libertarians but not everyone has your incredibly >highly developed critical faculties, people are influenced by the >information they receive. The internet is the fastest method yet >developed of spreading rumour and hatred. By the time a denial has been >disseminated the lies of extremists are already in the public >domain and being accepted. Not everyone who sees the lie will ever >see a rebutal. This is based on the idea that people seek out all info and process it with an open mind. In fact, people tend to seek out information that reinforces held views and ignore conflicting information. Those that buy a rumor usually are predisposed to accepting it and rarely give it up. Those that question a rumor do so because it conflicts with their beliefs and seek out the possibility that they are correct. Just because balanced or divergent information is out there, does not mean it will be read and convert the reader. The point that people are influenced by what they receive is mostly only to strengthen beliefs that already are in place. >Call me naive, but I live in the hope that actually demonstrating how to >take dumb arguments apart on the Internet might just help a few people >develop some critical faculties. I've certainly put in my time arguing >both with the British National Party and with the Anti-Nazi League. One >for racist views and the other for attacking freedom of speech. See above. Did any of these people, or you, change an opinion as a result? The "critical faculties" seems to really be a way to say "an open mind" and that is very hard to find. Even the most open minded have some beliefs that are tightly held. You'll note that even in this thread, there has been a lot of good discussion, but nobody has said, "you're right" and switched sides. Worse, rational discussion is a much weaker convincer than emotional appeal. This is why the zealots have such impact. They work on emotions and get others to react along. Appeal to somebody's fears and you have an instant ally. Rudy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Mar 13 12:04:03 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 12:04:03 -0500 Subject: HW: Are U ready 2 Rumble? Hawkbrawl '96 Message-ID: > As long as I'm wasting my company's money making long lists of > bands and albums, here are my suggestions for a "Space Rock Poll of > best albums that (hopefully) appeal to fans of Hawkwind, many for > very different reasons" : [lengthy list deleted] Add to these: Man Deviants Pink Fairies Mick Farren Twink (what's this "Mouse (?) & Twink" album about, anyway? _Out of the Blue and into the Pink_, or something like that...) Underground Zero (oh yes! :) Atomgods ...and probably loads more. This going to be some poll (if it happens :)... even the list of albums would be a worthy document, let alone the ratings! - Andy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Mar 13 12:26:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 12:26:00 EST Subject: Off: GONG gig feedback Message-ID: There have been several GONG gigs in VA, Baltimore and Cleveland. Anybody on the list catch them? If so, any comments? More importantly, any tapes to trade? Anybody from NYC, Montreal, or Rudy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 13 13:00:38 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:00:38 EST Subject: BOC in Buffalo? Message-ID: Someone mentioned a failed BOC gig in Buffalo, where the sound system blew up.[This is no strange occurance at BOC club gigs--Ive witnessed the phenomenon] When was this gig? Also, does anyone have any tour info about upcoming gigs [other than Allentown PA]? Where does one look for this stuff? One of the web sites? theo From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Mar 13 13:13:45 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 19:13:45 +0100 Subject: HW Pil/Tre/StA Message-ID: Hello Jeremy Here is a mail I posted a few days ago Received a letter from ADRIAN PARR He told me that he saw a press cutting with the TREFOREST gig on this cutting. He remebers that the date was either 27.10.1980 or 07.11.1980. He's not sure. This TREFOREST gig is also mentioned in Brian Tawn's HAWKFAN 6 on side 5 What is told here fits very good into the opening words from Dave before the gig starts. It was one of the smallest places HAWKWIND ever played Now it seems that the tape we all have is deffinitly from TREFOREST (I suppose 27.10.1980) I have got the same tape Jeremy and Jill mentioned. Received it a few years ago as ST.ALBANS and a few moths ago as TREFOREST. But there is no doubt: Both tapes are absolute identical (and WITHOUT "Dangerous Vision") Bernhard From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed Mar 13 13:25:15 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:25:15 EST Subject: OFF: The Cult Message-ID: If the Holy Barbarians sound like "Electric" era Cult than I'm definately going to get the new CD! My favorites (in no particular order) are Dreamtime, Electric and Sonic Temple. BTW, does anyone know of a Cult discussion group along the lines of BOC-L? Brian From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Mar 13 13:26:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:26:00 EST Subject: HW: They're here Message-ID: The CDnow webstore is saying the Hawkwind plus 4, and Space Ritual reissues are available as special order imports. $26.97 & $38.97 respectively. Pretty steep for a little new stuff, hope the sound has improved!!! Rudy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 13 13:57:51 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 18:57:51 +0000 Subject: HW: They're here In-Reply-To: <314689AB@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Mar 13, 96 01:26:00 pm Message-ID: > The CDnow webstore is saying the Hawkwind plus 4, and Space Ritual reissues > are available as special order imports. $26.97 & $38.97 respectively. > Pretty steep for a little new stuff, hope the sound has improved!!! Probably means they'll be in the 13-14 quid range (if not worse) over here :( I think they're jumping the gun a little, as mail order places often do, since the remasters aren't do out until the 25th or 26th. Cheers, Carl From Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Wed Mar 13 15:26:39 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 15:26:39 -0500 Subject: HW: They're here Message-ID: > The CDnow webstore is saying the Hawkwind plus 4, and Space Ritual reissues > are available as special order imports. $26.97 & $38.97 respectively. > Pretty steep for a little new stuff, hope the sound has improved!!! Worldwide CD is also taking orders for all 5 titles, at the same prices listed above. Chris From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Wed Mar 13 18:33:42 1996 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 18:33:42 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: >Damn! When did they play Buffalo? I'm up in Syracuse, and I >would've made the trip. Let me know what you find out about >Allentown. I may make that show myself if the venue's any good. >Check with ROBO on BOC-L. He doesn't live all that far from >Allentown, and is sure to be going. >theo They played on February 29th. The show in Allentown is on March 30th at: STARZ ALLENTOWN DR. ALLENTOWN, PA DOOR OPEN 7:30 PM MUST BE 21 YEARS OLD I purchased two tickets through Ticketmaster and the total cost was $27.00. The number for Tickeketmaster in that area is 215-336-2000. Hope this helps. Joe From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Mar 13 18:42:59 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:42:59 -0700 Subject: BOC in Farmington, NM In-Reply-To: <34C3E6B3AAE@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: To all list members; BLUE OYSTER CULT with special guests geogia satellites and survivor Saturday, March 23, 1996 6PM McGee Park Coliseum, State Fairgrounds Farmington, NM (near 4 corners) Sponsored by KFRG-FM ticket info (505) 325-1716 It's gonna be COOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From aa5543 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Mar 13 19:01:39 1996 From: aa5543 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Jeffrey Hoyt) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 19:01:39 -0500 Subject: HW Hello, i'm new Message-ID: Hi How is everyone? I'm new to the mailing list and wanted to say that Hawkwind rules. I mostly listen to the Live Chronicles of the Black Sword cd, and that has to be one of my favorite cd's if not my favorite. My dad (Duane), got me interested in them by playing Hawkwind all of the time. He also suggested that I read the Elric Saga, which I did, and it makes the Chronicles all the more cooler. So, just wanted to say hi. Seeya around! Jeff From brendah at MBAY.NET Wed Mar 13 20:05:41 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 17:05:41 -0800 Subject: BOC in Farmington, NM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, jean l delacour wrote: > To all list members; > > BLUE OYSTER CULT > with special guests > geogia satellites with Dan Baird? I thought those guys broke up! --- *** Brenda Holloway - Software Magician *** **** Sony New Technologies, Monterey, California **** **** http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ **** **** brendah at mbay.net **** *** C Coder. C Coder Run. Run, Coder, Run. *** From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Mar 13 20:38:44 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 20:38:44 -0500 Subject: HW Hello, i'm new In-Reply-To: <199603140001.AA15526@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Jeffrey Hoyt" at Mar 13, 96 07:01:39 pm Message-ID: > > Hi > How is everyone? I'm new to the mailing list and wanted to say > that Hawkwind rules. I mostly listen to the Live Chronicles of the > Black Sword cd, and that has to be one of my favorite cd's if not my > favorite. My dad (Duane), got me interested in them by playing Hawkwind > all of the time. He also suggested that I read the Elric Saga, which > I did, and it makes the Chronicles all the more cooler. So, just wanted > to say hi. Seeya around! > > Jeff > Hello Jeff, Welcome aboard! Sound like you have a pretty cool Dad, if he lets you listen to his HW CD's! I do the same for my boys and I think that it's working; the oldest asks for copies of the tapes all the time. I think that you will find us a pretty friendly bunch here. Enjoy yourself! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Mar 13 21:00:30 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:00:30 +1100 Subject: HW: They're here Message-ID: On 13 Mar 96 Stier, Christopher wrote about Re: HW: They're here: > > The CDnow webstore is saying the Hawkwind plus 4, and Space Ritual > reissues > > are available as special order imports. $26.97 & $38.97 respectively= . > > Pretty steep for a little new stuff, hope the sound has improved!!! > > Worldwide CD is also taking orders for all 5 titles, at the same prices > listed above. HawkDisc's price is =A313.50 each, and =A318.50 for _SR_, so the US prices seem to be only a little on the high side ... PS: Details are on http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/HAWKDISC/ Paul/Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Mar 13 21:02:05 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:02:05 +1100 Subject: HW Hello, i'm new Message-ID: On 13 Mar 96 Jeffrey Hoyt wrote about HW Hello, i'm new: > Hi > How is everyone? I'm new to the mailing list and wanted to say > that Hawkwind rules. Welcome to the list Jeff! Now, if only I can get my son to like HW (he does like Needle gun though) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Mar 13 22:12:56 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:12:56 +1100 Subject: OFF: Test ... ignore Message-ID: Please ignore (sorry guys/gals) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Mar 14 04:13:19 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:13:19 GMT Subject: HW: They're here Message-ID: > > The CDnow webstore is saying the Hawkwind plus 4, and Space Ritual reissues > > are available as special order imports. $26.97 & $38.97 respectively. > > Pretty steep for a little new stuff, hope the sound has improved!!! > > Probably means they'll be in the 13-14 quid range (if not worse) > over here :( I think they're jumping the gun a little, as mail order places > often do, since the remasters aren't do out until the 25th or 26th. Do these mail order places hike the prices slightly? Given current exchange rates these prices would come in at 18 UKP and 26 UKP which is beyond the ridiculous! The YES remasters are available at 9.90 UKP from HMV (as opposed to a typical 9.50 UKP for the un-remastered versions). I don't know what the new Sabbath remasters are going for. If EMI want to rack up ANY decent numbers of sales the HW stuff will have to be mid-priced. I was going to get all 5 but now I might be looking at Space Ritual and just one other :-( Given that they're being put out by a real record company, can we assume that the release date is correct? Chris From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Mar 14 04:23:41 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:23:41 +0000 Subject: HW: They're here In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:13:19 GMT." <199603140913.JAA26685@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: Chris writes - > > Probably means they'll be in the 13-14 quid range (if not worse) > > over here :( I think they're jumping the gun a little, as mail order places > > often do, since the remasters aren't do out until the 25th or 26th. > > Do these mail order places hike the prices slightly? Given current exchange > rates these prices would come in at 18 UKP and 26 UKP which is beyond the > ridiculous! Have to agree. For a short while at least, the remaster tag or any hint of an import will really rocket the price beyond 14 quid in most chain stores. > The YES remasters are available at 9.90 UKP from HMV (as > opposed to a typical 9.50 UKP for the un-remastered versions). I don't > know what the new Sabbath remasters are going for. If EMI want to rack up > ANY decent numbers of sales the HW stuff will have to be mid-priced. I > was going to get all 5 but now I might be looking at Space Ritual and just > one other :-( I've seen the Sabbath remasters going for a respectable 7-8 quid round these parts. Some of the AC-DC remasters are going for about 6-7. Tim ObCD: "JAM-J" James vs. The Sabres of Paradise From m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK Thu Mar 14 09:44:28 1996 From: m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK (M.R.VARLEY) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:44:28 GMT+0 Subject: BOC in Buffalo? Message-ID: > Someone mentioned a failed BOC gig in Buffalo, where the sound system > blew up.[This is no strange occurance at BOC club gigs--Ive witnessed > the phenomenon] When was this gig? Also, does anyone have any tour > info about upcoming gigs [other than Allentown PA]? Where does one > look for this stuff? One of the web sites? > > theo > Hello Theo Try the web site http://www.clark.net/pub/mileskb/boc/dates.html for BOC dates. It's updated every month or so (last update as of 14/3/96 was 8/2/96). So far they have BOC dates upto March. Martin From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 13 09:57:14 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 14:57:14 +0000 Subject: OFF : Cheesefoot Festival In-Reply-To: <960311141651_347934909@mail04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: The 1st Cheesefoot Head Festival, dubbed an alternative to Glastonbury will take place June 28-30 and is expected to attract 50,000 people. Acts confirmed are FOO FIGHTERS, RED HOT CHILLI PEPPERS, PULP and BLACK GRAPE. Tickets around 60 (!) Six stages, 24 hour "Babylon" style Glasto-city....look, do you want me to post the whole thing or is this enough? PHOENIX on the other hand has BOWIE, NIEL YOUNG, BJORK and the SEX PISTOLS! But then I never seem to see any bands at festivals 'coz I'm usually drinking tea somewhere. Except at Stonehenge, but then you had the best part of a month to crawl over to the stage plus the Hawks would play for so long it was very hard *not* to catch a few hours of the set. ;> -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 13 09:25:54 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 14:25:54 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Cult / Here & Now again! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> I'm a huge Cult fan, so it really depressed me to hear that they >>have broken-up. Does anyone here have any specifics as to why it happened >>or what the deal is with Ian Astbury's new band? _Allegedly_ something to do with Ian's girlfriend, i've heard. Billy joined VENT, who are Miles from the WONDER STUFF, Morgan from SENSELESS THINGS and Pete from EAT. He dropped in one rehersal, said "Riff's are what you need and Riff's my middle name!" He quit four months later. Ian's new band are no longer called STATIC as someone at Begger's pointed out that "Static" means "not going anywhere". Ian is now trying to sever connections with Begger's Banquet. I might add that after Ian's appalling treatment of Les Warner (former CULT and HERE & NOW drummer) I'm not a big fan of the guy. The stuff about Billy is fact. The stuff about Ian is largly heresay. -- Jon Browne From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 14 06:08:32 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:08:32 GMT Subject: OFF - and multiply! In-Reply-To: Ted O. Jackson's message of Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:59:45 EST Message-ID: Ted O. Jackson writes: > Right! I believe that in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing, > the net was flooded with requests for instructions on how to > duplicate this brave, freedom-fighting act. Right here in river city > last month a bunch of junior-high kids were caught plotting to bomb > their school. They learned this from the net, and they were just > trying to re-live the exploits of the Okla. City assholes. I love > freedom, but I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of it for the public > good. It's all well and good for you Brits to argue about total > freedom--you don't have teenagers brandishing Uzis and hosing down > their own neighborhoods for fun. Forget that the US is a screwed-up > place, I acknowledge that. But the guns and explosives are here, and > here to stay. I don't see how the freedom to learn how to use this > shit is of any possible benefit to society I guess the United States is lucky that the Founding Fathers did. FoFP "Those who would give up essential freedoms for a little security deserve neither." -- Benjamin Franklin From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 14 06:13:15 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:13:15 GMT Subject: Off: Read and Believe? In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:30:00 EST Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > >Call me naive, but I live in the hope that actually demonstrating how to > >take dumb arguments apart on the Internet might just help a few people > >develop some critical faculties. I've certainly put in my time arguing > >both with the British National Party and with the Anti-Nazi League. One > >for racist views and the other for attacking freedom of speech. > > See above. Did any of these people, or you, change an opinion as a result? I used to be a socialist until arguments on environmental issues convinced me that the pricing mechanism held out a better chance of dealing effectively with the issue than any amount of State regulation. My general anti-authoritarian streak led me to libertarianism from there. Since then three people have said that they've been persuaded by my arguments on the net to investigate libertarian ideas and three have more or less said that they're now pretty much libertarian. > Rudy FoFP From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Thu Mar 14 11:23:10 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:23:10 U Subject: OFF: The Cult / Here & Now again! Message-ID: > He dropped in one rehersal, said >"Riff's are what you need and Riff's my middle name!" Now *that's* ROCK! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 14 08:02:34 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:02:34 -0500 Subject: BOC in Buffalo? Message-ID: Martin writes: >Try the web site http://www.clark.net/pub/mileskb/boc/dates.html for BOC dates. It's updated every month or so (last update as of 14/3/96 was 8/2/96). So far they have BOC dates upto March. Things have been very quiet on the BOC web sites. Miles hasn't updated his since the beginning of the year (except for adding some tour dates which Eric posted on AOL), and it appears that Robodude's "Underbelly Online" is all but gone. John From kenneth.drew.3 at ND.EDU Thu Mar 14 08:24:42 1996 From: kenneth.drew.3 at ND.EDU (Ken Drew) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:24:42 -0500 Subject: In The Presence Of Another World: promo CD available Message-ID: Hey BOC fans: I have the In The Presence Of Another World promo CD available. It is STILL SEALED!!! and features two versions- the edit and full on a CD with the ship on it in blue. Cool CD. Interested, please feel free to e-mail me. Thanks! Vacation is around the corner so if you want it fast, let me know asap. KEN (kdrew at nd.edu) ----------------------------------------------------------- *The Beat Farmers : WWW page at: * *http://www.ucsd.edu/sdam/artists/bf/ * *Webb Wilder : check these guys out! * ----------------------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 14 08:36:05 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:36:05 EST Subject: where's the BOC? Message-ID: > > Martin writes: > > >Try the web site > > http://www.clark.net/pub/mileskb/boc/dates.html > > for BOC dates. It's updated every month or so (last update as of > 14/3/96 was 8/2/96). So far they have BOC dates upto March. > > > Things have been very quiet on the BOC web sites. Miles hasn't updated > his since the beginning of the year (except for adding some tour dates > which Eric posted on AOL), and it appears that Robodude's "Underbelly > Online" is all but gone. > > John This is bad news. Is there any other source out there for BOC tour info. Does the SOny site have any info [other than adverts for Sony shit]? theo From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 14 08:56:34 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:56:34 +0000 Subject: OFF - and multiply! In-Reply-To: <9603141108.aa19754@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, M Holmes wrote: > "Those who would give up essential freedoms for a little security > deserve neither." > > -- Benjamin Franklin Somebody's already quoted this as being by Thomas Jefferson - who's right? Gloves off, no low blows gentlemen, keep it clean... JAZZA From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Thu Mar 14 09:22:15 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:22:15 EST Subject: HW Glast 81 Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 14/03/96 14.21 --- Received from LES.DACOMBJ 4709 13/03/96 12.22 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Hi All, I realise that this is REALLY trivial but can anybody decipher what Brocky says after M.City on Glastonbury 81? "We've got Martin Griffin with us now He ***** *** *** **** ******* Wearing his sunglasses, so he can't see where he's looking" It's the middle line I can't work out. Something about the HAWKLORDS I think. Logically it could be "He used to be in the HAWKLORDS" but it doesn't sound like it. Any ideas? Jez From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Thu Mar 14 09:50:27 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:50:27 +0000 Subject: OFF "What happened to your Kill file?" In-Reply-To: <199603141015.KAA03672@listserv.rl.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Assassin Sonique > Subject: OFF: Test ... ignore > > Please ignore (sorry guys/gals) Listen - we've warned you before about all of this off topic stuff! Welcome to the Kill file! Maxine The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day mxw at dmu.ac.uk Shall fold their tents like the Arabs http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw/ And as silently steal away. Honda CB250 RS H.W. Longfellow From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Mar 14 12:01:43 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 18:01:43 +0100 Subject: HW Hello, i'm new Message-ID: Hi Jeff Welcome to the list If you have some questions about HAWKWIND just ask Me and the other fans will try to give you the right answers cu Bernhard From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Mar 14 13:10:34 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:10:34 EST Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree tour dates Message-ID: Just got a copy of Porcupine Tree tour dates (UK), as well as a hint of an upcoming USA gig. Here it is, courtesy of Delerium. Note the Gong and Marillion dates. This is from the (sporadic) P.Tree mailing list. To join, send Email to Ivor Trueman at "delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk". Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Complete Tour Dates From: Ivor Booking Office 4th April Manchester Student Union with Gong 0161 275 2930 6th April Bath Pavillion with Gong 01225 447770 12th April London Forum (with Gong) 0171 344 0044 28th April London Forum (with Marillion) 0171 344 0044 1st May Glasgow King Tuts 0141 556 5555 2nd May Edinburgh The Venue 0131 557 3073 3rd May Kidderminster Market Tavern 01562 825868 4th May Wolverhampton Varsity 01902 27567 5th May Northampton Roadmenders 01604 604222 6th May Hull The Room 01482 323154 8th May Bristol Fleece & Firkin 0117 927 7150 9th May Falmouth The Pirate 01326 311288 10th May Ashburton Lanterns 01364 652697 11th May Oxford Zodiac 01865 726 336 12th May Leeds Duchess 0113 245 2925 13th May Stoke Wheatsheaf 01782 844438 15th May South Shields Cellar Bar 0191 454 4415 16th May Liverpool Lomax 0151 709 4321 17th May Birmingham Flapper & Firkin 0121 236 2421 18th May Reading Alleycat 01734 561116 21st May Sheffield Leadmill 0114 275 4500 22nd May Leicester Princess Charlotte 0116 255 3956 23rd May Southampton Joiners Arms 01703 225612 24th May London The Garage 0171 344 0044 25th May Canterbury Penny Theatre 01227 xxxxxx 26th May Cambridge Boat Race 01223 504444 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: US gig From: Ivor Looks like PT will be playing a one-off gig in Baltimore at the end of June - details will be transmitted as soon as they're confirmed!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 14 14:02:45 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 19:02:45 GMT Subject: OFF : Cheesefoot Festival In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Wed, 13 Mar 1996 14:57:14 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > The 1st Cheesefoot Head Festival, dubbed an alternative to Glastonbury > will take place June 28-30 and is expected to attract 50,000 people. > > Acts confirmed are FOO FIGHTERS, RED HOT CHILLI PEPPERS, PULP and BLACK > GRAPE. Tickets around 60 (!) > > Six stages, 24 hour "Babylon" style Glasto-city....look, do you want me > to post the whole thing or is this enough? > The bands aren't that inviting 8-( Still. Is there an address one can write to for info? cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Mar 14 14:18:05 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:18:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree tour dates In-Reply-To: <9603141310.A14222@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Mar 14, 96 01:10:34 pm Message-ID: Captain Cloud inscribed this proclamation upon a wax carrot... > > Just got a copy of Porcupine Tree tour dates (UK), as well as a > hint of an upcoming USA gig. Here it is, courtesy of Delerium. > Note the Gong and Marillion dates. > CHOMP!! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Subject: US gig > From: Ivor > > Looks like PT will be playing a one-off gig in Baltimore at the end of June > - details will be transmitted as soon as they're confirmed!! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Heh-heh-heh, I _know_ a little about this one! Chris Lamka of Of Sound Mind is the prime mover behind this US gig. PT is supposed to appear at Chris's ProgDay/Fest/whatever he calls it. Call Chris for details (and buy something from him, OK???) objCDROM drive: SINIX O/S (whuuuttt???? Where'd the Alien 4 CD go?) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Thu Mar 14 14:46:36 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:46:36 -0600 Subject: Off: Read and Believe? In-Reply-To: <9603141113.aa22915@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, M Holmes wrote: > Rudich, Robert A writes: > > > >Call me naive, but I live in the hope that actually demonstrating how to > > >take dumb arguments apart on the Internet might just help a few people > > >develop some critical faculties. I've certainly put in my time arguing > > >both with the British National Party and with the Anti-Nazi League. One > > >for racist views and the other for attacking freedom of speech. > > > > See above. Did any of these people, or you, change an opinion as a result? > > I used to be a socialist until arguments on environmental issues > convinced me that the pricing mechanism held out a better chance of > dealing effectively with the issue than any amount of State regulation. > My general anti-authoritarian streak led me to libertarianism from > there. > > Since then three people have said that they've been persuaded by > my arguments on the net to investigate libertarian ideas and three have > more or less said that they're now pretty much libertarian. > > > Rudy > > FoFP > i'm a card carrying libertarian too we even got a libertarian on the birmingham city council here in alabama -he's running for congress this year as a republican though - trojan horse tactic -you know. -mike psyche From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Thu Mar 14 16:02:31 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:02:31 -0800 Subject: At the end of the day..... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Mar 1996, Albert T Bouchard wrote: > Hi Doug: > > >Here's a hypothetical question for you: > >How long a set would you have to play behind the kit to equal > >one NYC marathon? I'm not sure what form of measurement > >would be most valid, so why don't you do the honors... =) > > It's not compatable. Marathons involve almost exclusively large muscle mass > (ie. the quads, calves, abs) and playing the drums involve small muscles > (ie. wrists, fingers, ankles, triceps). Long distance running requires > slow-twitch muscles and drumming requires fast-twitch fibers. > > The marathon is a great experience. It's also very humbling. If you enjoy > running I recommend it . > Al > If one were to actual train for the marathon, starting from a sedentary lifestyle, what sort of recommendations would you give? - Passerby in Times Square From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Mar 14 18:43:11 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 18:43:11 -0500 Subject: At the end of the day..... Message-ID: >> Al >> > If one were to actual train for the marathon, starting from a >sedentary lifestyle, what sort of recommendations would you give? Walking from the couch to the refridgerator ;-) >- Passerby in Times Square Martyn From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Mar 14 18:58:39 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 16:58:39 -0700 Subject: BOC in Farmington, NM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brenda; Please forgive me, but I do not know much about the other bands on the bill. Perhaps after I post a review, I'll be better informed to respond to your question. God bles... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Fri Mar 15 11:08:21 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:08:21 EST Subject: HW Glast 81 In-Reply-To: <199603141422.JAA29955@listserv.spc.edu>; from "Jeremy Dacombe" at Mar 15, 96 09:22:15 am Message-ID: > > --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 14/03/96 14.21 > --- Received from LES.DACOMBJ 4709 13/03/96 12.22 > -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET > > > Hi All, > I realise that this is REALLY trivial but can anybody > decipher what Brocky says after M.City on Glastonbury 81? > > "We've got Martin Griffin with us now > He ***** *** *** **** ******* > Wearing his sunglasses, so he can't see where he's looking" > > It's the middle line I can't work out. > Something about the HAWKLORDS I think. > Logically it could be > > "He used to be in the HAWKLORDS" > > but it doesn't sound like it. > > Any ideas? > > Jez > Well ,I always thought it was "he used to be in the hawklords" MG also asks"Huwey I need a count ,shot down",either before or after brocks announcement.There are also comments later from huw and Dav e about its late and cold etc. regards Marty From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Mar 14 20:46:24 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:46:24 +1100 Subject: OFF "What happened to your Kill file?" Message-ID: On 14 Mar 96 Maxine Wesley wrote about Re: OFF "What happened to your Kill: > > From: Assassin Sonique > > Subject: OFF: Test ... ignore > > > > Please ignore (sorry guys/gals) > > > Listen - we've warned you before about all of this off topic stuff! > Welcome to the Kill file! Woops! Subject Line shoulda been OFF: Political stuff ;^) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From ALANSEIBERT at DELPHI.COM Thu Mar 14 22:20:28 1996 From: ALANSEIBERT at DELPHI.COM (ALANSEIBERT at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 22:20:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gong Message-ID: >There have been several GONG gigs in VA, Baltimore and Cleveland. Anybody >on the list catch them? If so, any comments? More importantly, any tapes >to trade? Anybody from NYC, Montreal, or > >Rudy I have a tape of Cleveland for trade. ~~~Alan~~~ From dzeiger at NETCOM.COM Fri Mar 15 01:32:48 1996 From: dzeiger at NETCOM.COM (David Zeiger) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 22:32:48 -0800 Subject: BOC: Dallas 3/14 Message-ID: Well, my ears are still ringing, so it's a good thing the internet doesn't require sound :-). The Arcadia theater is a fun place--it's an old theatre that's been almost completely redone--most of the old seating area is now a dance floor, and the remaining seating in back is now small table settings. I managed to get a spot on the edge of the dance floor, right behind the old orchestra pit--so I was level with the stage, while being only 10-15' away, with everyone in front of me being below me as well. This is the first oppurtunity I've had to see BOC live--for the past few years they've been frustrating me by playing in Dallas when I'm in Little Rock, and Little Rock when I'm iin Dallas :-). So if you might wonder why I don't do any comparisons to past shows, that's why. The opening band, whose name has slipped my mind, was insignifigant. I remember thinking "Hey, I must have taken a wrong turn and ended up at the Skid Row concert." This was made worse when the lead singer picked up some paper during a guitar solo, and was obviously reading the words to the next verse :-). Anyway, the setlist was as follows... Stairway to the Stars Dr Music ETI Harvest Moon Before the Kiss, a Redcap I'd Like to See You In Black Buck's Boogie Teen Archer Cities on Flame Last Days of May In Thee Lips in the Hills Burnin' for You Godzilla Don't Fear the Reaper (encore) Dominance and Submission The Red and the Black I was kinda hoping for either Telepaths or Astronomy, but no such luck. I assume theta Telepaths is one of their options somewhere, though, as the roadies went to a bit of trouble to set up a big strobe that they never ended up using. Neither of the two new tunes particularly excited me. Harvest Moon might be pretty good, but, as with most concerts I've attended, it's tough to make out the words to a song you've never heard, and I can't really get into a song if I have no idea what the singer is saying. Same problem with In Black, but I didn't really care. For some reason the title suggested a slower, sinister, melodic tune, not speed metal. Of course, I mix my BOC with heavy doeses of Yes and Jethro Tull, those who mix with Metallica and Megadeth might really like it. Other than that, I can't think of much to say. It won't hold a place in my heart as "One of the Greatest Concerts I've Seen" or anything, but it didn't suck, either :-). Just a solid performance. Oh, one other thing. This is the second event I've been to in as many weeks where nobody's taken my ticket. There didn't even seem to be anybody *trying* to take them, I just walked straight in. I really should stop buying them (particularly since the t-shirt costs 2 times as much as the ticket...) -- David Zeiger dzeiger at netcom.com Windows 95: The Dracula of Operating Systems--it sucks up all your memory, bleeds your hard drive dry, and only works an average of 12 hours out of every 24. From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Mar 15 06:46:27 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 22:46:27 +1100 Subject: HW: News Flash Message-ID: Gidday All! Why do so many news flashes come from down under? Any way, I got a fax from Doug Smith today (he was sending me International P&P rates ... see my HAWKDISC pages), and I quoteth: "We are not connect for e-mail, but shortly we will which brings me to the Internet situation. We presently are right in the middle of setting up a very thorough home page which EMI are kicking some money into to get it up and running so once up and running all our information will be on there with lots of info from the past, ...." -SNIP- (personal stuff deleted) I wonder if this means that Brocky & co will join BOC-L ;^) All the best, Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 15 08:16:59 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:16:59 -0500 Subject: HW: News Flash Message-ID: >Any way, I got a fax from Doug Smith today (he was sending me >International P&P rates ... see my HAWKDISC pages), and I quoteth: Did it list a street address he is staying at? We here at RODS need to pass along the info, if available, to Lemmy... >"We are not connect for e-mail, but shortly we will which brings me shortly? didn't he say that last year? >to the Internet situation. We presently are right in the middle of >setting up a very thorough home page which EMI are kicking some money >into to get it up and running so once up and running all our >information will be on there with lots of info from the past, ...." Well, the RODS homepage still needs some work. I need a good, clear black & white photo of Doug Smith, and I am trying to get one of them interactive maps to track his whereabouts... of course we will put a link to Doug's page if he gets one... I wonder if this means that Brocky & co will join BOC-L ;^) That'd be nice.... any hope of Nik? If we could somehow get him on the list, and then Dave & co. to stay away because of that, it'd be just like the BOC side of the list with Al and the current BOC lineup.... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Mar 15 08:27:57 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 00:27:57 +1100 Subject: HW: News Flash Message-ID: On 15 Mar 96 Andrew A. Apold wrote about Re: HW: News Flash: > >Any way, I got a fax from Doug Smith today (he was sending me > >International P&P rates ... see my HAWKDISC pages), and I quoteth: > > Did it list a street address he is staying at? We here at RODS need to pass > along the info, if available, to Lemmy... No sorry, just a PO BOX & fax #! > >"We are not connect for e-mail, but shortly we will which brings me > > shortly? didn't he say that last year? ;^) > Well, the RODS homepage still needs some work. RODS homepage ? > I need a good, clear black & white photo of Doug Smith, and I am > trying to get one of them interactive maps to track his > whereabouts... I didn't know that CGI was that fast! -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Mar 15 08:34:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:34:00 EST Subject: HW: Hawks on the net Message-ID: >>"We are not connect for e-mail, but shortly we will which brings me >shortly? didn't he say that last year? At the edge of time, what's the Earth's revolution around the sun mean? >Well, the RODS homepage still needs some work. I need a good, clear >black & white photo of Doug Smith, and I am trying to get one of them >interactive maps to track his whereabouts... Just get him to strap on a GPS transponder for a few bucks a day. >That'd be nice.... any hope of Nik? If we could somehow get him on the >list, and then Dave & co. to stay away because of that, it'd be just like the >BOC side of the list with Al and the current BOC lineup.... With Al we got the better of the deal. With Nik, I don't think so. I'd rather hear from Dave, Richard, and Allan than give Nik a forum for his stuff. Al left for good reasons, Nik sort of got kicked to the curb to crawl off. Rudy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 15 08:50:27 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 13:50:27 +0000 Subject: HW: News Flash In-Reply-To: <199603151316.IAA02433@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Mar 15, 96 08:16:59 am Message-ID: > I wonder if this means that Brocky & co will join BOC-L ;^) > > That'd be nice.... any hope of Nik? If we could somehow get him on the > list, and then Dave & co. to stay away because of that, it'd be just like the > BOC side of the list with Al and the current BOC lineup.... Dave? _Communicate_ with fans? Surely, we jest .... :P ;) _Maybe_ Richard would be into it. I can vaguely imagine Nik being into it ... Cheers, Carl From richard.cummings at NOR.MKL.COM Fri Mar 15 02:40:00 1996 From: richard.cummings at NOR.MKL.COM (RICHARD CUMMINGS) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 02:40:00 -0500 Subject: BOC: searching for something that does not exist Message-ID: A while ago people were talking about various interpretations of BOC lyrics. Well, here's my story.... A couple of friends and myself were listening to IMAGINOS and trying to figure out the lyrics. When the line "dance a Don Pedro, do the Don Pedro" came up all we could "hear" was "Mr. Potatoe threw a tomato". And another thing.... At about the time that the MIRRORS album came out I was flipping through the BOC albums at a local discount store. Stuck in the midst of all the BOC disks known to me at the time was what I thought must have been a "lost album". Not having the cash to get it that day, I left the store. When I got the money together to purchase this "gem", I found that it was gone. I know now that it wasn't a BOC album (even though I searched for years) but is any body out there familiar with an album cover that depicts a hunter standing in a marsh, pointing his shotgun to the sky, and ducks "exploding" in the distance? (It was kinda cool,actually.) Rich Cummings From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 15 09:24:11 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:24:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawks on the net Message-ID: >With Al we got the better of the deal. With Nik, I don't think so. I'd >rather hear from Dave, Richard, and Allan than give Nik a forum for his >stuff. Al left for good reasons, Nik sort of got kicked to the curb to >crawl off. hm, okay, then. Huw? Harvey? As far as "good" reasons to leave, I suppose we could dream of having Lemmy on a list, though I just can't picture the lurch typing away at a keyboard... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 15 09:37:06 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:37:06 GMT Subject: OFF: Cyber Sleaze 2, the compilation In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:44:00 EST Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > > But seriously, I think you may be in error on one count. > >I believe that there is a rather high incidence of illegitimate > >births in Europe. Not that that really bothers me... > > theo, I don't have the reference at hand, but it can be easily verified. US > teenage girls have the highest illegitimacy rate in the industrialized > world. And a considerably higher abortion rate. > That puts a few qualifiers on things too. The point I was trying > to make it that protection from indecent material, like the banning of > drugs, has not produced the intended benefit in the US. This includes the > sex education that will give them ideas. The experience in Europe strongly indicates that sex education for teenagers increases the mean age of first sexual experience. > Rudy FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 15 09:38:15 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:38:15 GMT Subject: HW: News Flash In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward's message of Fri, 15 Mar 1996 22:46:27 +1100 Message-ID: Paul G Ward writes: > "We are not connect for e-mail, but shortly we will which brings me > to the Internet situation. We presently are right in the middle of > setting up a very thorough home page which EMI are kicking some money > into to get it up and running so once up and running all our > information will be on there with lots of info from the past, ...." > -SNIP- (personal stuff deleted) > > I wonder if this means that Brocky & co will join BOC-L ;^) I wonder who'll be the first person to have an argument with 'im :-) > Paul FoFP From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Fri Mar 15 09:59:38 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:59:38 EST Subject: tBS @ Maxwell's Message-ID: Can anyone give directions from the path station? RR From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Mar 15 10:18:16 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:18:16 EST Subject: OFF: Cyber Sleaze 2, the compilation Message-ID: >> sex education that will give them ideas. >The experience in Europe strongly indicates that sex education for >teenagers increases the mean age of first sexual experience. > >> Rudy > >FoFP Are you saying that the kids are OLDER when they have their first sexual experience, when they had received sex education as a teenager? Possibly implying, "less" (sex-)educated kids experiment at an earlier age in this area? If true, then why? Active curiousity coupled with an intential "hiding" of knowledge? Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Mar 15 10:26:30 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:26:30 EST Subject: WTB Alman Mulo early tapes Message-ID: Harvey Bainbridge played in the Alman Mulo Band on several (3?) early cassette-only releases, entitled "Mamissi", "Invisible Warrior", and "Orisha". They also released "Afrodiziac" and "Diamonds and Toads" on CD, and just recently re-released "Orisha" on CD for the first time. Anyways, I was wondering if anybody still knew where to find copies of these two early AMB tapes: Mamissi, Invisible Warrior. Does Taste Productions (the last company releasing them, I think?) still carry them? Is there an address/phone for Taste, or catalog or ordering information? Does anybody in Kollector-land even _have_ copies of these? I noticed that the HW Discography wasn't quite complete in this area. I'm also looking for the CD of "Orisha", but I've got two different people hunting for it for me. However, I imagine that if I can find where to order these cassettes, the same place should also have the CD? Any and all info appreciated... Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Mar 15 10:42:53 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:42:53 EST Subject: HW: Love in Space on White Zone Message-ID: "Love in Space" was the extra song on the vinyl release of what, the "Alien (Roswell Edit)" single, wasn't it? I may have the vinyl wrong, but I also noticed that "Love in Space" is the last song on 'Psy.Warlords: White Zone'. Has anybody with both items happened to compare these two versions? Are they significantly different from each other, or (preferably) suitably similar to each other? I understand that "Love in Space" will likely make an appearance on the upcoming live HW release, given its appearance on the recent tour set list. Has anybody else thought that the purpose behind releasing 'White Zone' was to have a sampler of the most famous artists (at that time) from the EBS label? I mean, you have a HW song, two Dave Brock solo songs, one Richard Chadwick solo song, and probably an Alan Davey solo song(s) (we won't know until we see his eventual release). The only thing they didn't do is emphasize the words "Sampler", "Collection", or "Hawkwind" -- all of which I'd expect from a run-of-the-mill label sampler. Just some stray thots... Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Fri Mar 15 11:48:42 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:48:42 -0600 Subject: HW: Love in Space on White Zone In-Reply-To: <9603151042.A14263@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Mar 1996, cjohnson wrote: > "Love in Space" was the extra song on the vinyl release of what, > the "Alien (Roswell Edit)" single, wasn't it? I may have the vinyl > wrong, but I also noticed that "Love in Space" is the last song on > 'Psy.Warlords: White Zone'. Has anybody with both items happened > to compare these two versions? Are they significantly different > from each other, or (preferably) suitably similar to each other? > > I understand that "Love in Space" will likely make an appearance on > the upcoming live HW release, given its appearance on the recent > tour set list. > > Has anybody else thought that the purpose behind releasing 'White > Zone' was to have a sampler of the most famous artists (at that > time) from the EBS label? I mean, you have a HW song, two Dave > Brock solo songs, one Richard Chadwick solo song, and probably an > Alan Davey solo song(s) (we won't know until we see his eventual > release). The only thing they didn't do is emphasize the words > "Sampler", "Collection", or "Hawkwind" -- all of which I'd expect > from a run-of-the-mill label sampler. > > Just some stray thots... > > Captain Cloud > cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com > i thought the bonus track was called "space sex?" the hawks - on their us tour considered white zone their -ambient/techno project when someone asked about it - i took this to mean that it was just a fun kind of diversion from straight hawkwind stuff -i've been getting into it lately and think it holds it's own compared to the top artists in that genre - it certainly kicks the shit out of most of whats out there. mike psyche -ob whitezone track- windowpane- when it kicks it at the end is pure bliss to my psybernetic brain. From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri Mar 15 17:10:21 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:10:21 U Subject: FW: Red Dwarf / Huddersfield / Blue Oyster Cult Message-ID: Right. "The time has come, the walrus said, to speak of many things. Of something something something something, cabbages and kings." Look, I come from Huddersfield, and I'm proud of it. I subscribe to a few mailing lists, (Blue Oyster Cult, Red Dwarf, Huddersfield Town). The Red Dwarf List is looking for somewhere in the North of England for a meet. How about if I post this to all three lists, and we can all get together over the Easter Weekend at the Rat and Ratchet. (14 Hand pumped real ales...!) This really is the best pub in the world - so all you who can't make it can cry into your Budweiser (Arf Arf Arf!!!) Obviously the HTFC list is heavily biased towards people in Hudds, but the RD list seems to have a lot of people at Hudds Poly on it (sorry, sorry, UNIVERSITY). If anyone fancies getting utterly wankered over Easter, then either mail me (richard.lockwood at tpd.co.uk) or mail the list (whichever) to let them know you'll be there. I recommend the Saturday (6th April). The only rules are that we; a) Don't mention the internet b) Drink 'til you drop c) Persuade the bar staff to give us lots of free credits on the Juke Box, and play lots of George Thorogood and the Destroyers. (Does anyone know of a mailing list for this band??) d) erm, that's it. If anyone on the three lists I'm sending this to is up for a piss-up (Particularly BOC-L!!), then email me direct, or phone me on: +44 (0)181 740 1740 - 9:30 GMT to 5:30 GMT - Weekends can piss right off. Cheers, Rich. ***************************************************************** ** Halfway up the Wrekin with an empty flask of tea ** ** A fog descends and takes away my visibiliy ** ** Yet in this Helen Keller state I'd still quite like to know ** ** Why is Rod Hull alive, and getting paid as well? ** ***************************************************************** P.S. Obviosly, this invitation isn't open to Americans. Because they smell!!!! :-) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 15 12:56:07 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:56:07 EST Subject: FW: Red Dwarf / Huddersfield / Blue Oyster Cult Message-ID: > ***************************************************************** > ** Halfway up the Wrekin with an empty flask of tea ** > ** A fog descends and takes away my visibiliy ** > ** Yet in this Helen Keller state I'd still quite like to know ** > ** Why is Rod Hull alive, and getting paid as well? ** > ***************************************************************** > > P.S. Obviosly, this invitation isn't open to Americans. Because they > smell!!!! :-) Imagine that! Yet your own Nigel Tufnel, when asked to describe the difference between American and European fans, said: 'The Americans have better teeth.' theo From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Fri Mar 15 12:22:29 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:22:29 CST Subject: HW: News Flash Message-ID: >> I wonder if this means that Brocky & co will join BOC-L ;^) > >I wonder who'll be the first person to have an argument with 'im :-) The first taper who opens his mouth. :-) Doug From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 15 13:36:19 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 18:36:19 +0000 Subject: HW: News Flash In-Reply-To: <9603151438.aa24545@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "M Holmes" at Mar 15, 96 02:38:15 pm Message-ID: > > I wonder if this means that Brocky & co will join BOC-L ;^) > > I wonder who'll be the first person to have an argument with 'im :-) I wonder if anyone _won't_ argue with him! ;) Cheers, Carl From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Mar 15 13:42:39 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 13:42:39 -0500 Subject: FW: Red Dwarf / Huddersfield / Blue Oyster Cult Message-ID: >Rich. >P.S. Obviosly, this invitation isn't open to Americans. Because they >smell!!!! :-) Really? The smell carries as far as Huddersfield? ;-) Martyn From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 15 13:41:16 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 18:41:16 GMT Subject: HW: Hawks on the net In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:34:00 EST Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > With Al we got the better of the deal. With Nik, I don't think so. I'd > rather hear from Dave, Richard, and Allan than give Nik a forum for his > stuff. Al left for good reasons, Nik sort of got kicked to the curb to > crawl off. > hmmm - having met the guy and talked with him I'm not entirely convinced about this. My impression is that contributions from Nik would be both highly intelligent and rather interesting! Biassed, sure. He's more than prepared to express his opinion on practically everything! and I doubt his opinion would necessarily be that of all the list members here. But while he may not have been the best thing for Hawkwind in terms of stage performance and the thought of him dragging the band into punk/acid jazz horrifies me, the point is that Brock and Nik simply do not get on together at all and they've probably both contributed to that situation. Sadly, they'd probably spend their entire time on the list winding each other up with flame wars if they did subscribe 8-( sigh jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 15 13:44:18 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 18:44:18 GMT Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree tour dates In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:10:34 EST Message-ID: cjohnson writes: > Just got a copy of Porcupine Tree tour dates (UK), as well as a Thank you! > Subject: Complete Tour Dates > From: Ivor > > Booking Office > 1st May Glasgow King Tuts 0141 556 5555 > 2nd May Edinburgh The Venue 0131 557 3073 aaargh! the day after Beltane and May Day morning and a weekday too and there's no way I'm gonna be able to scrounge a day off..... This could be a bad week! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 15 14:03:16 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 19:03:16 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawks on the net In-Reply-To: <9603151841.aa10308@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Mar 15, 96 06:41:16 pm Message-ID: > But while he may not have been the best thing for > Hawkwind in terms of stage performance and the thought of him dragging > the band into punk/acid jazz horrifies me, the point is that Brock and > Nik simply do not get on together at all and they've probably both > contributed to that situation. Sadly, they'd probably spend their > entire time on the list winding each other up with flame wars if they > did subscribe 8-( And then we'd have to kick their sorry arses off the list for being disruptive! ;) _That'd_ be ironic ..... ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 15 14:06:22 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 19:06:22 +0000 Subject: FW: Red Dwarf / Huddersfield / Blue Oyster Cult In-Reply-To: <9603151842.AA15934@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Mar 15, 96 01:42:39 pm Message-ID: > >P.S. Obviosly, this invitation isn't open to Americans. Because they > >smell!!!! :-) > > Really? The smell carries as far as Huddersfield? ;-) No, it's because I'm in England now and the smell is that much closer to Huddersfield ;) Cheers, Carl ps--actually, I've noted students in the UK tend more towards the unwashed than students in the US (at least in terms of comparing Harvard and Cambridge) ... From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Mar 15 14:49:11 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:49:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawks on the net Message-ID: In a message dated 96-03-15 09:33:27 EST, you write: > though I just can't >picture the lurch (Lemmy) typing away at a keyboard... Does Smirnoff have a home page? ;-) regards, Bill Stewart From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Mar 15 15:29:20 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:29:20 -0500 Subject: tBS @ Maxwell's Message-ID: I don't have exact directions, been a long time since I took the PATH. But do know it's not far from the club. And you can ask at the station. Washington Street is the main drag, and Maxwell's is pretty centrally located. Hope to see ya there! From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Mar 15 17:32:51 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:32:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawks on the net Message-ID: >> though I just can't >>picture the lurch (Lemmy) typing away at a keyboard... > >Does Smirnoff have a home page? ;-) >Bill Stewart Yes indeedee, it is :- http://www.web.co.za/thrill/html/home.htm M From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Mar 15 18:01:37 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 00:01:37 +0100 Subject: FW: Red Dwarf / Huddersfield / Blue Oyster Cult Message-ID: >>Rich. > >>P.S. Obviosly, this invitation isn't open to Americans. Because they >>smell!!!! :-) > > Really? The smell carries as far as Huddersfield? ;-) > >Martyn > It really does... it carries all the way to Sweden too... But I think BOC fans don=B4t smell as much as other Americans! BTW isn=B4t this a typical OFF-mail???? :-) -Daniel Wikdahl (an ugly swede) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a 392 36 KALMAR 0480-245 11 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 15 13:20:54 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 18:20:54 +0000 Subject: OFF : Red Dwarf / Huddersfield / Blue Oyster Cult In-Reply-To: <37C2C027017@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: In message <37C2C027017 at hawk.syr.edu>, "Ted O. Jackson" writes >Imagine that! Yet your own Nigel Tufnel, when asked to describe the >difference between American and European fans, said: 'The Americans >have better teeth.' >theo What is this thing Americans have with Brit's teeth? They've cracked a few funnies on The Simpsons about this.... I'm a Brit and i've got a lovely smile....see :-)))) -- Jon Browne From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sat Mar 16 15:10:04 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 15:10:04 -0500 Subject: OFF : Red Dwarf / Huddersfield / Blue Oyster Cult In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Mar 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > What is this thing Americans have with Brit's teeth? They've cracked a > few funnies on The Simpsons about this.... Well, as the Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy opine, "television---where straight teeth in your mouth are more important than that words that come out." Maybe all Americans are making sure they're prepared for their 15 minutes of fame, should it happen by? :-) > I'm a Brit and i've got a lovely smile....see :-)))) Lovely pearly whites! Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _The Lost Episodes_ obBOC-L: How is it that Frank Zappa can continue to release more new material than BOC, and he's been dead a few years?? (I'm looking forward to his forthcoming album of Varese material.) C'mon BOC, it's like you're not even trying!... ;-) e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 17 05:42:35 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 10:42:35 +0000 Subject: OFF: bye for now In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear All, I strongly suspect you lot just got my vacation message: sorry! Tip for the day: unsubscribe from BOC-L _before_ setting up an auto-reply... I'm gone for Easter now, anyway, be back on when I return. Ciao, Jazza From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Mar 17 07:07:24 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 23:07:24 +1100 Subject: HW: Love in Space on White Zone Message-ID: On 15 Mar 96 cjohnson wrote about HW: Love in Space on White Zone: > I understand that "Love in Space" will likely make an appearance on > the upcoming live HW release, given its appearance on the recent > tour set list. Given that this is it's title, you'd think so. The only thing I know for sure is that _Lord of Light_ won't be on it (according to everyone's mate Dougy that is) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 17 07:32:18 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 12:32:18 +0000 Subject: HW: Love in Space on White Zone In-Reply-To: <199603170907.TAA27388@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> from "Assassin Sonique" at Mar 17, 96 11:07:24 pm Message-ID: > > I understand that "Love in Space" will likely make an appearance on > > the upcoming live HW release, given its appearance on the recent > > tour set list. > > Given that this is it's title, you'd think so. The only thing I know > for sure is that _Lord of Light_ won't be on it (according to > everyone's mate Dougy that is) No "Lord of Light"!? "Madness takes control ..." This Smith character as got to go. Cheers, Carl From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Mar 17 07:36:43 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 23:36:43 +1100 Subject: OFF: darXtar WWW page Message-ID: Hi, I just added some history on darXtar to my pages if you are at all interested ...... http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/darXtar/history.html Paul/Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From richard.cummings at NOR.MKL.COM Sat Mar 16 22:51:00 1996 From: richard.cummings at NOR.MKL.COM (RICHARD CUMMINGS) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 22:51:00 -0500 Subject: HW: NOT AGAIN!!!! Message-ID: A few weeks ago I asked if the *Quark, strangeness & charm* ep was a good example of HW stuff. The answer NO came from all corners of the globe. And I believed this then and still do. But... ...this afternoon I stumbled upon another HW cd; *warrior on the edge of time*. I thought "great, now I can have a chance to peek into the window of castle HW". When I got home I loaded the disc into the player and immediatly got my first clue that something was amiss. The cd case listed 12 tracks, the cd player only 8. Upon listening to it I found no relevance between the lyrics and the listed titles. Can any tell me what I have here? listed below are the first lines from each track. 1) was it you I saw standing naked 2)long winding road/ where will you lead me 3) shame(?)...(something) get the pieces and start again 4) hatred in the world/ where did it all come from 5) girl meets boy/ boy meets girl 6) on a rainy night in Zanadu 7) hang up your dancing shoes/ hide in that secret place 8) and we'll go hunting,dear (deer) I'd really like to know just what it is that I purchaced. Is it HW or is it not? What are the *real* names of the tracks? Are all my attempts to journey into the world of HW going to end this way? Whatever this cd actually is, I like it. I just want to learn the nature of the beast. Richard P. Cummings From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Sun Mar 17 11:50:25 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 16:50:25 GMT Subject: HW: Love in Space on White Zone Message-ID: > > Given that this is it's title, you'd think so. The only thing I know > for sure is that _Lord of Light_ won't be on it (according to > everyone's mate Dougy that is) > That is unbelievable, the Lord Of Light/Silver Machine combination was the best part of the gigs I went to last year. I don't think I'll buy this cd now. bye - Rob From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sun Mar 17 12:32:28 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 12:32:28 -0500 Subject: HW: NOT AGAIN!!!! In-Reply-To: <8BCD55B.0001000050.uuout@nor.mkl.com> from "RICHARD CUMMINGS" at Mar 16, 96 10:51:00 pm Message-ID: > > A few weeks ago I asked if the *Quark, strangeness & charm* ep > was a good example of HW stuff. The answer NO came from all > corners of the globe. And I believed this then and still do. > But... > > ...this afternoon I stumbled upon another HW cd; *warrior on the > edge of time*. I thought "great, now I can have a chance to > peek into the window of castle HW". When I got home I loaded > the disc into the player and immediatly got my first clue that > something was amiss. The cd case listed 12 tracks, the cd player > only 8. > > Upon listening to it I found no relevance between the lyrics and > the listed titles. > > Can any tell me what I have here? listed below are the first lines > from each track. > MR. ANSWER MAN HERE TO SET YOU STRAIGHT!!! You have, sir, a copy of Pendragons' THE_WORLD, a fine bit of neo-prog. Understandbly, you are probably miffed with this mix-up, but the CD you have is quite nice and should be listened to! (Well, I like it, anyways!) > 1) was it you I saw standing naked Real title: BACK IN THE SPOTLIGHT > 2)long winding road/ where will you lead me VOYAGER (favorite track!) > 3) shame(?)...(something) get the pieces and start again Close but no ceegar! SHANE > 4) hatred in the world/ where did it all come from HYMN > 5) girl meets boy/ boy meets girl > 6) on a rainy night in Zanadu > 7) hang up your dancing shoes/ hide in that secret place These are all portions of the 22-minute QUEEN OF HEARTS (second favorite, especially the 2nd part/track6). > 8) and we'll go hunting,dear (deer) Damn near perfect! It's DEER > > I'd really like to know just what it is that I purchaced. Pendragons' THE WORLD > Is it HW or is it not? No relation whatsoever. > What are the *real* names of the tracks? See above. > Are all my attempts to journey into the world of HW going to > end this way? Dunno, how's yer karma otherwise? > > Whatever this cd actually is, I like it. I just want to learn > the nature of the beast. > This is probably Pendragons' most prog-gy effort. The others are a little too poppish in nature, but still quite good. > Richard P. Cummings > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 17 13:41:50 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 18:41:50 +0000 Subject: HW: NOT AGAIN!!!! In-Reply-To: <9603171732.AA21026@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> from "Craig Shipley" at Mar 17, 96 12:32:28 pm Message-ID: > > ...this afternoon I stumbled upon another HW cd; *warrior on the > > edge of time*. I thought "great, now I can have a chance to > > peek into the window of castle HW". When I got home I loaded > > the disc into the player and immediatly got my first clue that > > something was amiss. The cd case listed 12 tracks, the cd player > > only 8. > > Can any tell me what I have here? listed below are the first lines > > from each track. > > You have, sir, a copy of Pendragons' THE_WORLD, a fine bit of neo-prog. > Understandbly, you are probably miffed with this mix-up, but the CD > you have is quite nice and should be listened to! (Well, I like it, > anyways!) The Pendragon-in-a-HW-box is a well known screw-up on Griffin's part. If you aren't into Pendragon, then you should be able to return it. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 17 14:53:55 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:53:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: address for Castle Communications? Message-ID: Does anyone have a postal address for Castle Communications in the UK? I checked to see if they had a web page or something but didn't come up with one ... Cheers, Carl From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sun Mar 17 16:27:55 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 21:27:55 GMT Subject: HW: NOT AGAIN!!!! In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Sun, 17 Mar 1996 18:41:50 +0000 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > ...this afternoon I stumbled upon another HW cd; *warrior on the > > > edge of time*. I thought "great, now I can have a chance to > > > peek into the window of castle HW". When I got home I loaded > > > the disc into the player and immediatly got my first clue that > > > something was amiss. The cd case listed 12 tracks, the cd player > > > only 8. > > > Can any tell me what I have here? listed below are the first lines > > > from each track. > > > > You have, sir, a copy of Pendragons' THE_WORLD, a fine bit of neo-prog. > > Understandbly, you are probably miffed with this mix-up, but the CD > > you have is quite nice and should be listened to! (Well, I like it, > > anyways!) > > The Pendragon-in-a-HW-box is a well known screw-up on Griffin's > part. If you aren't into Pendragon, then you should be able to return it. > NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! Please, don't return this disc to the shop - it's a rare and valuable commodity to any self-respecting Kollector. I'll be more than happy to exchange it for you - or even to pay you good American dollars if you'd rather so you can go out and purchase the real thing! Seriously - I would very much like to get my hands on one of these mis-pressings and short of insisting shops play them through as I stand there I don't see much chance of tracking one down. I will trade or purchase or exchange, as folks wishes! Ta jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sun Mar 17 16:30:35 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 16:30:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: address for Castle Communications? Message-ID: Carl It says on my CD copy of _Levitation_: Castle Communications plc Unit 1 271 Merton Road London SW18 5JS However, it also says copyright 1987, so it might be an old address... also, I looked in the London phone book and they weren't in it... BTW, did you get that Sepultura 7"? - Andy From PSYCKT at VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU Sun Mar 17 16:40:34 1996 From: PSYCKT at VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU (PSYCKT at VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 16:40:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: address for Castle Communications? Message-ID: According to my Castle Comm. version of the Levitation CD, you should contact: Castle Communication PLC Unit 7 271 Merton Rd. London SW185JS U.K good luck! Tom From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sun Mar 17 16:43:16 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 16:43:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: address for Castle Communications? Message-ID: Carl BUT, on my CD copy of Rory Gallagher's _Live! in Europe_/_Stage Struck_ (utterly brilliant and essential, btw, but it's a shame they fade out "Shadowplay"), it says If you would like to know more about future releases from Castle, send an SAE to: Release Information Castle Communications plc 15-16 Northfields Prospect Putney Bridge Road London SW18 1PE And that's dated 1989. And the same address is on the 1991 reissue of _Overkill_. Any advance on 1991? :) - Andy From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Sun Mar 17 19:27:40 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:27:40 EST Subject: HW: Complete Nikwind tour dates? Message-ID: Since Nik was quite open about allowing recording of his recent 2 US tours, there are a number of tapes floating about. With that in mind, the serious Kollector could use a complete giglist for reference purposes. Has anybody out there compiled/started to compile/know where to find a complete list of all Nikwind gigs in the last 3 (or so) years? I received postcards listing Nikwind tour dates from before both tours, but I know that some shows were cancelled, or even re-scheduled(?). Before I began compiling my own copy of such a list (taking inspiration from Bernhard, Adrian Parr, et al), I thought I'd ask first -- avoid duplicate effort and all that. Appreciate responses, public or private. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Sun Mar 17 19:35:55 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:35:55 EST Subject: BOTH: recent BOC, MM purchases Message-ID: Had a lucky day at the quarterly record show today. Picked up two items of interest to different areas of the list: - Blue Oyster Cult - "Bad Channels" soundtrack. This is a 71:20 minute (on label) CD, still in the shrinkwrap, that was so cheap I had to pick it up. Can somebody out there in BOC-land provide me with a brief description of this item, and its comparative value? Is this a FIND, or is this an "amusement"? I haven't even opened it yet... - Monster Magnet Interview Disc, featuring Dave Wyndorf being interviewed by Sean Yseult of White Zombie. This disc is divided into 22 trax, each about 1 to 3 minutes long, of interview. The relevant HW part is a quote from Dave when answering a question from Sean: Q: "What's your favorite record on hallucinagenics?" A: "Hawkwind Space Ritual, which is a three-album set (sic). It's about 3 hours worth of, like primal space sludge, with Lemmy playing bass on it. Guaranteed to drive the most sane man, like, right over the edge." ROTFLMAO!! ;^) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Mar 17 20:14:54 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:14:54 +1100 Subject: HW: Pending Adrian Shaw release Message-ID: Courtesy of Knut Gerwers: > Adrian will very soon release his new solo-album "Tea for the > Hydra" Paul/Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From stayer at PI.NET Sun Mar 17 13:35:16 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 10:35:16 PST Subject: OFF:Re:McDonalds Incident (was:READ THIS) Message-ID: And, some other coffee-in-lap-accident... "The next landign was the worst. The hopper hit a metal drain cover with such violence, that Lister bit his cigarette in half, and the glowing tip felt between his thighs and rolled under the seat of his pants. [...] Something was burning. It smelled like hair. And since he was the only thing in the hopper that had hair, it was fairly safe to assume some part of him was on fire. Some part of him that had hair. He liked all the parts of him that had hair. They were his favourite bits. [...] Smoke began to plume from Lister's legs. Still nowhere to park. [...] In desperation he grabbed the thermos flask lying on the passenger seat, struggled with the unfamiliar cap, and poured the contents into his smouldering lap. A hiss signalled the end of the cigarette. There was a second of delicious relief. Then he smelled coffee. Hot coffee. Piping hot coffee... Piping hot coffee that covered his loins." [from 'Red Dwarf' by Grant Naylor (= Doug Grant and Rob Naylor).] Jerry From brendah at MBAY.NET Fri Mar 15 11:09:23 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:09:23 -0800 Subject: OFF: BOC in Farmington, NM Message-ID: jean l delacour wrote: > > Brenda; > > Please forgive me, but I do not know much about the other bands on the > bill. Perhaps after I post a review, I'll be better informed to respond > to your question. The Georgia Satellites are (were?) a southern rock band (a la Skynyrd) who had a hit or two back in the mid-80s (all I can remember is "Battleship Chains", but that wasn't their big hit). They were fronted by Dan Baird, who did a couple of solo albums (the song "I Love You Period" made airplay a few years back). Survivor were a one-hit wonder with "Eye of the Tiger", the theme to "Rocky III", back in the very early 80s. Brenda --- []]]]]]]] Brenda Holloway brendah at mbay.net [[[[[[[[] [[ ]]]]]] Sony New Technologies, Monterey, CA [[[[[[ ]] [[[ ]]]] http://www.sonysoft.com/brenda/ [[[[ ]]] [[[[ ]]] http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ [[[ ]]]] [[[[[ ] C Coder. C Coder Run. Run, Coder, Run. [ ]]]]] From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Mar 18 05:24:26 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr Big Mike Light) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 10:24:26 +0000 Subject: WTB Alman Mulo early tapes In-Reply-To: <9603151026.A14261@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Mar 1996, cjohnson wrote: > Anyways, I was wondering if anybody still knew where to find copies > of these two early AMB tapes: Mamissi, Invisible Warrior. Does > Taste Productions (the last company releasing them, I think?) still > carry them? Is there an address/phone for Taste, or catalog or > ordering information? Well, the address that is on the recent Taste output (1993) is Taste, PO Box 775, London, E5 9DE the phone number is 0181 806 8494. > Does anybody in Kollector-land even _have_ copies of these? I > noticed that the HW Discography wasn't quite complete in this area. Well, I have Invisible Warrior, which is so disappointing that I didn't try to get the other tape releases. There is no proper info on the tape - just a photocopied label, and a good old Sony HF60 tape. So I do not know if Taste have copies of these, but I do know that they are the people who released Diamonds and Toads (Taste 46), Afrodiziac (Taste 41), Interstellar Chaos (Taste 40) and Orisha (Taste 37). Cheers Mike w From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Mar 18 05:31:44 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr Big Mike Light) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 10:31:44 +0000 Subject: OFF: Bath gig 6 April & Duul Message-ID: Is anyone else going to the gig on 6th April in the Bath Pavilion? You know, the one with G*ng, Ozrics, Porcupine Tree, Here and Now, Dr. Didg, glo (gilli smyth + steffy sharpstrings), mandragora, star sounds orchestra (Feat. Steve Schroyder from TD & ash ra temple), global and Moonboot Oz (feat. people of magic mushroom band and Astralasia). The info hotline is 01885 410509, if you want to check that all these people are still playing. I don't care anymore as I have bought my ticket so it is too late for me. If so drop me an email and we can try and meet up. I'm off out of the country until 1st April so I will not reply swiftly. AMON DUUL: From the same ticket agency that sold me the bath ticket (01225 447770) there is an Amon Duul gig on 19 April, somewhere in London. Does anyone know all about this, or even something about this? Cheers Mike w From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Mar 18 06:14:59 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 06:14:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bath gig 6 April & Duul Message-ID: >AMON DUUL: From the same ticket agency that sold me the bath ticket >(01225 447770) there is an Amon Duul gig on 19 April, somewhere in >London. Does anyone know all about this, or even something about this? Yes, in fact didn't I post something about this the other day? :) It's at the London Astoria, right next to Tottenham Court Road tube, tickets 10 quid from the box office. My guess is it's the line-up from last year's _Nada Moonshine #_ album, ie Chris Karrer, Renate Knaup, Peter Leopold and Lothar Meid. - Andy ObCD: Rory Gallagher - _Fresh Evidence_ From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Mar 18 06:35:41 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 06:35:41 -0500 Subject: TEST Message-ID: Have gotten no mail for two days, just checking. Duane -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 18 06:44:20 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:44:20 GMT Subject: HW: Love in Space on White Zone In-Reply-To: Assassin Sonique's message of Sun, 17 Mar 1996 23:07:24 +1100 Message-ID: Assassin Sonique writes: > On 15 Mar 96 cjohnson wrote about HW: Love in Space on White Zone: > > > I understand that "Love in Space" will likely make an appearance on > > the upcoming live HW release, given its appearance on the recent > > tour set list. > > Given that this is it's title, you'd think so. The only thing I know > for sure is that _Lord of Light_ won't be on it (according to > everyone's mate Dougy that is) Bastard, bastard, BASTARD!!! That was the best track of the tour! FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 18 06:42:46 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:42:46 GMT Subject: HW: Hawks on the net In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Fri, 15 Mar 1996 18:41:16 GMT Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > hmmm - having met the guy and talked with him I'm not entirely convinced > about this. My impression is that contributions from Nik would be both > highly intelligent and rather interesting! Biassed, sure. He's > more than prepared to express his opinion on practically everything! > and I doubt his opinion would necessarily be that of all the list > members here. But while he may not have been the best thing for > Hawkwind in terms of stage performance and the thought of him dragging > the band into punk/acid jazz horrifies me, the point is that Brock and > Nik simply do not get on together at all and they've probably both > contributed to that situation. Sadly, they'd probably spend their > entire time on the list winding each other up with flame wars if they > did subscribe 8-( Sorta like the one they carried on in the letters pages of NME after the Calvert Benefit gig? > jill FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 18 06:46:43 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:46:43 GMT Subject: HW: NOT AGAIN!!!! In-Reply-To: RICHARD CUMMINGS's message of Sat, 16 Mar 1996 22:51:00 -0500 Message-ID: RICHARD CUMMINGS writes: > A few weeks ago I asked if the *Quark, strangeness & charm* ep > was a good example of HW stuff. The answer NO came from all > corners of the globe. And I believed this then and still do. > But... > > ...this afternoon I stumbled upon another HW cd; *warrior on the > edge of time*. I thought "great, now I can have a chance to > peek into the window of castle HW". When I got home I loaded > the disc into the player and immediatly got my first clue that > something was amiss. The cd case listed 12 tracks, the cd player > only 8. > > Upon listening to it I found no relevance between the lyrics and > the listed titles. > > Can any tell me what I have here? listed below are the first lines > from each track. > > 1) was it you I saw standing naked > 2)long winding road/ where will you lead me > 3) shame(?)...(something) get the pieces and start again > 4) hatred in the world/ where did it all come from > 5) girl meets boy/ boy meets girl > 6) on a rainy night in Zanadu > 7) hang up your dancing shoes/ hide in that secret place > 8) and we'll go hunting,dear (deer) > > I'd really like to know just what it is that I purchaced. > Is it HW or is it not? This definately *ain't* Hawkwind. > What are the *real* names of the tracks? > Are all my attempts to journey into the world of HW going to > end this way? Persist Seeker, for the way is strewn with obstacles but verily I say unto you that the goal is a worthy one and rewards shall be showered upon thine ears. > Richard P. Cummings FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 18 07:34:03 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:34:03 +0000 Subject: OFF: BOC in Farmington, NM In-Reply-To: <31499633.5792@mbay.net> from "Brenda Holloway" at Mar 15, 96 08:09:23 am Message-ID: > The Georgia Satellites are (were?) a southern rock band (a la Skynyrd) > who had a hit or two back in the mid-80s (all I can remember is > "Battleship Chains", but that wasn't their big hit). They were fronted > by Dan Baird, who did a couple of solo albums (the song "I Love You > Period" made airplay a few years back). Southern rock yes, but I think the GSs owed more to the Stones than to Skynyrd musically. Their big hit was "Keep Your Hands to Yourself" which also had a tremendously amusing video. Cheers, Carl (closet Georgia Satelites fan ;) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 18 08:10:08 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 08:10:08 EST Subject: OFF : Red Dwarf / Huddersfield / Blue Oyster Cult Message-ID: > In message <37C2C027017 at hawk.syr.edu>, "Ted O. Jackson" > writes > >Imagine that! Yet your own Nigel Tufnel, when asked to describe the > >difference between American and European fans, said: 'The Americans > >have better teeth.' > >theo > > What is this thing Americans have with Brit's teeth? They've cracked a > few funnies on The Simpsons about this.... > > I'm a Brit and i've got a lovely smile....see :-)))) > > > -- > Jon Browne Jon, Your paranoia is showing! I said 'Europeans' not specifically Brits, but I supposed you all could be unceremoniously lumped together. I was equally shocked to read disparaging comments about American hygine, when I thought it was a standing joke on the continent that Americans are obsessive about personal cleanliness. I think it has something to do with flouridated water. They don't do that in Europe, do they? Of course you can't drink the water there anyway, so why waste time and money putting flouride in it? I have no idea where this comes from, but I do know lots of Europeans and generally, their teeth ARE fucked up--lots of bridgework, dentures etc. And these are relatively young people. You just don't see that many americans with major dental problems, though there are certainly exceptions. The flouride's the thing, I'm convinced, though we hav esome extremists who claim it's a communist plot, etc, that the flouride's poinoning us, etc. dentally yours, theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 18 08:54:39 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 13:54:39 +0000 Subject: BOTH: recent BOC, MM purchases In-Reply-To: <9603171935.A14299@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Mar 17, 96 07:35:55 pm Message-ID: > - Blue Oyster Cult - "Bad Channels" soundtrack. > This is a 71:20 minute (on label) CD, still in the shrinkwrap, that > was so cheap I had to pick it up. Can somebody out there in > BOC-land provide me with a brief description of this item, and its > comparative value? Is this a FIND, or is this an "amusement"? I > haven't even opened it yet... Well, _I_ like both the proper songs from BOC on there: "Demon's Kiss" and "Horsemen Arrive" even if they are not stellar examples from the BOC catalog--there's enough that are worse IMHO! I understand from posts on the boc Usenet group that this disc is at least a minor rarity even now, so it's probably worth having picked up. > - Monster Magnet Interview Disc, featuring Dave Wyndorf being > interviewed by Sean Yseult of White Zombie. Fascinating ... > This disc is divided into 22 trax, each about 1 to 3 minutes long, > of interview. The relevant HW part is a quote from Dave when > answering a question from Sean: > Q: "What's your favorite record on hallucinagenics?" > A: "Hawkwind Space Ritual, which is a three-album set (sic). It's > about 3 hours worth of, like primal space sludge, with Lemmy > playing bass on it. Guaranteed to drive the most sane man, like, > right over the edge." > ROTFLMAO!! ;^) :) Cheers, Carl From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 18 09:15:15 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 14:15:15 GMT Subject: Spare copy: Queens of Deliria Message-ID: I have a battered but serviceable spare copy of the "Queens of Deliria" paperback if anyone us still looking for it. I'll trade it for a tape or something. FoFP From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Mon Mar 18 10:51:51 1996 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 10:51:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: Pendragon Message-ID: > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 12:32:28 -0500 > From: Craig Shipley > Subject: Re: HW: NOT AGAIN!!!! > Pendragons' THE WORLD > > > This is probably Pendragons' most prog-gy effort. The others are a little > too poppish in nature, but still quite good. Wow! You think it's more proggy than Window of Life? David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) Why try holding back the wave? You'll only drown in the changes. You've got to learn to let go. Just let go and experience the flight. Try to see from a different side. If balance is the key, maybe we'll see A future understanding. - "My Global Mind" - QUEENSRYCHE From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Mar 18 10:58:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 10:58:00 EST Subject: BOC: Show Date Error Message-ID: URGENT FLASH MESSAGE! URGENT FLASH MESSAGE! Cyberbaron date for Gators show is wrong! Show is 29th of March (Friday) not 30th. This is the date given on B'more station. All of those travelling to Gators on the 30th will be subjected to Kiss Tribute band (they wear the makeup too). Rudy Di - The slut formerly known as princess. (Dana Carvey as Church Lady) From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Mar 18 11:21:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:21:00 EST Subject: Off: CD cost breakdown Message-ID: Saw this on another list and thought it would be of interest. Certainly explains the desire to crank out compilation discs. Still can't figure out why the HW remasters go so dearly, don't know even if the market will bear it. Rudy --------------------------------------- Where does my money go when I buy a CD? The Washington Post ran a report on this subject on February 15, 1995. Based on information from the RIAA, Billboard Magazine, and elsewhere, they broke down the $11.99 street price of a typical hit new-release CD as follows: $ 2.00 Record-label profit + Executive salaries $ 1.40 New artist development $ 1.15 Distribution $ 1.10 Manufacturing (CD + artwork + jewel case) $ .85 "Other" $ .80 Performer royalties $ .65 Songwriter royalties $ .65 Advertising and promotion $ .35 Producer $ .30 Recording costs $ .25 Music videos $ .20 Managers and lawyers $ .10 Artist pensions ------ $ 9.80 Wholesale cost to retailer + $ .95 Miscellaneous retailer expenses $ .90 Store personnel salaries $ .75 Rent ------ $12.40 Total cost to retailer $11.99 CD price at retail $ .41 Loss to retailer From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Mar 18 11:30:53 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:30:53 EST Subject: BOC: any info on new HvyMtl? (again) Message-ID: Another weekend just passed, and I still haven't made it to see the "new" Heavy Metal movie. Anybody else made it? What is new, and what is different? The longer I go without hearing from anybody else who's already seen it, the less inclined I am to catch it in the theaters... Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObTrainSpotter: RPM Recs is advertising the new Spacious Mind "Sailing the Seagoat" ($21), but I'm still waiting on Garageland Records (?) for my copy ... :-( From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Mon Mar 18 11:55:18 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:55:18 EST Subject: BOC: Buck in "GUANO"? Message-ID: Forgive me if this is already in the FAQ but one of my profs told me that Buck Dharma played on a song for the band "Guano" in the '80s. The hit song was called "I Want to Be a Lifeguard". Kind of expands on the pop/surf influences we've all accused Buck of having ;) Also he said that there's a song called "Heavy Metal Weekend" in which the words Blue Oyster Cult are yelled at one time or another. Anyone know more on this? Brian From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Mar 18 12:16:29 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:16:29 -0500 Subject: BOC in Buffalo? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-03-13 13:11:08 EST, theo writes: > Also, does anyone have any tour >info about upcoming gigs [other than Allentown PA]? Where does one >look for this stuff? One of the web sites? > >theo I look at PollStar fir gig info. URL is: http://www.pollstar.com/artist.htm R. From stayer at PI.NET Mon Mar 18 10:29:26 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 07:29:26 PST Subject: OFF: age limit? Message-ID: >The show in Allentown is on March 30th at: [...] > MUST BE 21 YEARS OLD ???An age limit on concert attendance??? Jerry From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Mar 18 12:46:52 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 17:46:52 GMT Subject: OFF: Bath gig 6 April & Duul Message-ID: > > Is anyone else going to the gig on 6th April in the Bath Pavilion? > I'll be there, my ticket is waiting for me at a friend's house in Bristol. Are you the Mike I met at the last HW all-nighter? If so, I'll see you there. bye - Rob From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 18 13:07:15 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 13:07:15 EST Subject: BOC: Buck in "GUANO"? Message-ID: > Forgive me if this is already in the FAQ but one of my profs told me that > Buck Dharma played on a song for the band "Guano" in the '80s. The hit song > was called "I Want to Be a Lifeguard". Kind of expands on the pop/surf > influences we've all accused Buck of having ;) > Also he said that there's a song called "Heavy Metal Weekend" in which > the words Blue Oyster Cult are yelled at one time or another. > > Anyone know more on this? > > Brian > Brian, Right church, wrong pew. I believe you're thinking of the band 'Blotto,' from nearby Albany. Then again, those guys were pretty much bat-shit anyway, so you aren't too far off! They were a comedy/rock act, and pretty good musicians at that. They all had the last name Blotto, c.f. Bow Tie Blotto, Cheese Blotto, and the best-- Lee Harvey Blotto. Wonder if they ever toured with the Dead Kennedys? They had a hillarious video of their tune 'Metalhead,' with a guest appearance by Buck, looking befuddled. I believe this may be the song with the reference to BOC. BTW, one of the Blottos co-wrote the BOC song 'Dragon Lady' from Rev. By Night. Sort of a companion tune to 'I wanna be' would be 'She's Got a Big Boyfriend.' You can imagine the lyrics: "She's got a big boyfriend...He lifts weights, he builds cars, and he's got no sense of humor." Sorry for any unintentional copyright infringements, etc... theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 18 13:12:10 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 13:12:10 EST Subject: OFF: age limit? Message-ID: > > >The show in Allentown is on March 30th at: > [...] > > MUST BE 21 YEARS OLD > > ???An age limit on concert attendance??? > > Jerry Right you are, but the gig's in a bar. The bars are afraid that someone under age could get served alcohol, and they could loose their license if the feds happened by. Also, if a kid got drunk, even if he used fake ID, and then drove home drunk and got killed in a car wreck, his family would sue the bar for allowing him to get drunk there. Welcome to the good ol' USA, with a desperate shyster on every block...The nation of victims theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 18 13:14:58 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:14:58 +0000 Subject: OFF: age limit? In-Reply-To: from "Jerry" at Mar 18, 96 07:29:26 am Message-ID: > >The show in Allentown is on March 30th at: > [...] > > MUST BE 21 YEARS OLD > > ???An age limit on concert attendance??? Nothing new about that. First couple of times BOC came around where I was I was too young to go to the gig ... Cheers, Carl From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 18 10:03:01 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:03:01 +0000 Subject: OFF (way) : Teeth! In-Reply-To: <3BF6A2C7DB0@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: In message <3BF6A2C7DB0 at hawk.syr.edu>, "Ted O. Jackson" > >Jon, >Your paranoia is showing! It's not, is it? Shit! Do I look stupid? Did lots of people see? Are they laughing? At me? Shit. That guy's a cop. Don't look. Him, yeah, that one, but don't look, he'll see you. Close the curtains. Paint the windows black. ARRRRGH!!!! > I said 'Europeans' not specifically Brits, But you meant ME didn't you??? ;> Water's flourided round here (London) Has been all my life too (31 summers). >dentally yours, >theo I *did* have to have a filling last week, tho' -- Jon Browne New stack, no sig. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 18 13:19:47 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:19:47 +0000 Subject: Off: CD cost breakdown In-Reply-To: <314D0475@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Mar 18, 96 11:21:00 am Message-ID: > $ 1.15 Distribution > $ .85 "Other" > $ .65 Advertising and promotion > $ .25 Music videos So, since most the CDs I buy have such incredibly pathetic distribution I can scarcely imagine people paying for it, no advertising or promotion to speak of, and no accompanying music videos, where's all that money going? And what's this "Other" business? Is this Doug Smith's cut? ;) Cheers, Carl From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Mar 18 13:50:20 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 19:50:20 +0100 Subject: BOC: any info on new HvyMtl? (again) Message-ID: > ObTrainSpotter: RPM Recs is advertising the new Spacious Mind > "Sailing the Seagoat" ($21), but I'm still waiting on Garageland > Records (?) for my copy ... :-( do you think RPM got it in stock? if they have, from where did they get it? questions, questions... \\joe\online update #562b ObBoot - Sabbath's _Killing Yorself to Die_ (no, not misspelled!) From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon Mar 18 14:17:37 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 14:17:37 -0500 Subject: HW: how about a brawl!! Message-ID: On 11-MAR-1996 16:04:04.6 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Received: from ccmail.hpsc.hisd.harris.com by >sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20184; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 >15:37:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from cc:Mail by >sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com (1.20/SMTPLink) id A14100; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 >15:35:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:35:48 -0500 (EST) >From: cjohnson >Subject: Re[4]: HW: how about a brawl!! >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Message-id: <9603111535.A14100 at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >Comments: To: AndyGilham at AOL.COM >>OK, first stab at list follows... >OK, here is a second stab at the same list... >Nik Turner: >Sphynx [1993] >Prophets of Time Prophets: just bought this yesterday. Was most of this stuff recorded live w/audience or studio? >Space Ritual 1994 >Past or Future? >Nik Turner's Sphynx - >Xitintoday [1978] >Inner City Unit - >Pass Out >The Maximum Effect >Punkadelic >Newanatomy >The President's Tapes >Pinkwind - >Festival of the Sun >Anubian Lights - >The Eternal Sky >The Jackal and Nine EP >Bob Calvert: >Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters >Lucky Leif and the Longships >Hype >Freq >Test-Tube Conceived >Live at the Queen Elizabeth Hall >Blueprints From the Cellar >Revenge >Centigrade 232 I would definitely like to know how Freq and Live are as I see these at Best Buy. Of course it'd really be nice to find Capt or Leif, but I've never seen them... Chuck `[1;35;41mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Mar 18 15:32:40 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:32:40 EST Subject: HW: how about a brawl!! Message-ID: >Prophets: just bought this yesterday. Was most of this stuff recorded >live w/audience or studio? Seems to me that most/all of this was studio, even though much of it is remakes of older Nik, ICU, or HW songs. This release struck me as an uneven grab-bag of songs from Nik's entire career, even tho I don't think it was meant to be a retrospective or anything. I *do* like several of the songs on this one. [CHOMP] >I would definitely like to know how Freq and Live are as I see these at >Best Buy. Of course it'd really be nice to find Capt or Leif, but >I've never seen them... > >Chuck I wasn't too fond of Freq myself, but that may not be typical of this List. The songs border on early industrial type sounds, with some (possibly dated) mechanical sounds building the rhythms. Also, each song is separated by a spoken word piece, ranting on about a Miners strike that was taking place at the time. I always program my CD player to avoid this stuff -- it got old pretty quickly for me. Then again, the whole strike thing didn't mean anything to me either ( <-- the ugly American ?) One nice thing is that the spoken word thingies have some musical background sounds. I understand that this was not on the original record, and was added as part of the re-mastering that produced the CD Freq (actually called "Freq Revisited"). While I do not have a copy of the original LP to compare with, this is what I was told. You should be able to get Freq at a good price: around $14. I haven't listened to Live at Queen Elizabeth Hall lately, so I'll avoid any attempts at reviewing this one. Possibly a better choice than Freq, though. How much was Best Buy asking for this one, and did they have more than one in stock? I've never seen a domestic (USA) CD issue of either Capt Lockheed or Lucky Leif. Did Cleopatra recently issue one of these? Perhaps Capt Lockheed? I seem to vaguely remember spotting an announcement to that effect somewhere...of course, it could just be more brainmush on my part. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Mar 18 15:54:31 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 20:54:31 +0000 Subject: HW: Covers project; track listing Message-ID: This is the final track listing for the HW covers project, to the best of my knowledge. (We need confirmation that the tapes of Architectural Metaphor's "Welcome to the Future" are on their way). There are four tapes: 1 100 min, 2 90 min, and one 60 min. Dave. Tape 1 Side 1. ST37 - "Assault and Battery"/"The Golden Void" (unreleased live 8/91) Human Pot Pie - "Space Is Deep" (unreleased track) The Thing - "It's So Easy" (Peel Session 2/91) Sabalon Glitz - "Spirit of the Age" (unreleased rave version - live 12/92) Celia Pavlova - "Urban Guerilla" (unreleased track) Pressurehed - "The Right Stuff" (7" aerospace age mix) Thin White Rope - "Silver Machine" (from _the One That Got Away 2xCD live 6/92) Side 2. Mirrors - "Ejection" (unreleased live 6/74) "Airport '75" - "Brainstorm" (unreleased demo version) Vertigo - "Master of the Universe" (from self-titled LP) Tibetan Bowlers - "Hassan i Sahba" (unreleased hardcore version) Suffacox - "Orgone Accumulator" (from copy of master tape) Destroy All Monsters - "The Right Stuff" (from the _Live_ CD on Fan Club) Monoshock - "Hawkwind Show" (from brand new 7" on Bag of Hammers) Spacemen 3 - "Revolution" (from _Playing With Fire_ LP) F/i - "Standing in the Garden" (from tPD/tFL 3xLP box set) ST37 - "Look At Yr Chair" (from 7" on OverAndOut) Pere Ubu - "Final Solution" (from the _Terminal Tower_ archival CD) Tape 2 Side 1 Vardis - "Silver Machine" (7" single) (Studio artists) - Silver Machine (7" single) The Moor - "Angels of Death" (CD, 1993, Sweden) Close Edge - "Hassan I Sahba" Abaand - "Space is Deep" darXtar - "Position Unknown/Visions of Beyond Recall" Nomad Maddog & the Four Horsemen - "Helevetiin, Helevetiin" Sator Codex - "Master of the Universe" (from _Wanna start a fire?_) Mick Farren & The New Wave - "Lost Johnny" (7" Single) Side 2 Dumpy's Rusty Nuts - "Silver Machine" (from _Firkin Well Live_) Dumpy's Rusty Nuts - "Hawkwind" (from _Firkin Well Live_) Pop Will Eat Itself - "Orgone Accumulator" Dumpy's Rusty Nuts - "Silver Machine" (from ?) Dumpy's Rusty Nuts - "Hawkwind" (from _Get Out On The Road_) Spacehead - "Where are they now?" (from _Sentinel_) Monster Magnet - "Brainstorm" (from _SuperJudge_) Tape 3 Side 1 Hawklords Australia - "Shot Down In The Night", "Arioch", "Assassins Of Allah", "Motorhead", "Lives Of Great Men", "Golden Void", "Neon Skyline", "Lost Chronicles" (fade) Magic Mushroom Band - "Hurry On Sundown" Monoshock - "Ejection" Dave Watson & Group X - "Master of the Universe" Fred Wedlock and Chris Newman - "The Hippies and the Hairies-O" (from _The Oldest Swinger in Town_). Side 2 Lithium X-mas - "Magnu" Architectural Metaphor - "Sonic Attack", "Welcome To The Future" (from their CD _Welcome to the Future_) Das Ludicroix - "Ejection" Verge - "Spirit Of The Age" Dark Sun - "Assault And Battery/The Golden Void", "The Right Stuff" Sore Throat - "Silver Kerching" Tape 4 Side 1 Sponge - "The Right Stuff" - "Assassins of Allah" Finally Balanced - "Hurry On Sundown" Wat Tyler - "Master Of The Universe" Side 2 Architectural Metaphor - "Welcome to the Future" Mulowind - "Coded Languages" - "Waiting for Tomorrow" From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Mar 18 15:58:08 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 20:58:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Covers project Message-ID: This is my list of people who want tapes. Allan has another list, of people who he will be sending tapes to. I apologise if I've missed anyone who requested copies. Please let me know of any errors or additions (folk in North America should contact Allan). Dave. Name E-mail Do I have address? Contributors: Hawkwind Yes Mike Holmes fofp at castle.ed.ac.uk Yes Jill Strobridge eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk Yes Mike Wright M.S.Wright at reading.ac.uk Yes Joe hawkjoe at eka.ericsson.se Commander Soren c/o Joe? Non-contributors: Alun Hughes a.hughes at newi.ac.uk No David Jones david at mastmoor.demon.co.uk Yes Rob Stuckey etlrbsy at etlxdmx.ericsson.se Yes Paul Ward sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au Yes Maxine Wesley mxw at dmu.ac.uk Yes Duane Hoyt aa5287 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu Yes From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Mar 18 16:09:30 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 21:09:30 GMT Subject: HW: Spacemen 3 and the covers tape Message-ID: > Spacemen 3 - "Revolution" (from _Playing With Fire_ LP) I didn't know this track was a Hawkwind number. I've got both the Mudhoney and Spacemen 3 versions of this song, but I can't remember any HW-related credits. Can someone fill me in? BTW...my friends and I used to freak out every week to this song (the Mudhoney version) at a punk club in Bristol. bye - Rob From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Mar 18 16:14:18 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:14:18 -0600 Subject: HW: Comic book expose' Message-ID: Well, it seems that the address for The Antigravity Room didn't work, so we won't be having our wonderful little expose' about Hawkwind and the sci-fi/comicbook connection. Oh well. Damon ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 18 Mar 96 11:16:02 EST From: ytv.ca MMDF Mail System To: dcapehar at utdallas.edu Subject: Failed mail (msg.aa05891) After 9 days (208 hours), your message could not be fully delivered. It failed to be received by the following address(es): antigravity (host: ccgate.ytv.ca) (queue: badusers) Problems usually are due to service interruptions at the receiving machine. Less often, they are caused by the communication system. Your message follows: Received: from utdallas.edu by www.ytv.ca id aa05891; 9 Mar 96 17:51 EST Received: (from root at localhost) by utdallas.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id QAA19667; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:50:42 -0600 Received: from apache.utdallas.edu by utdallas.edu (Brelay v6.01) with BLIMP; Sat, 09 Mar 1996 16:50:41 CST Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:50:41 -0600 (CST) From: Le Monsieur Damon To: antigravity at ytv.ca Subject: Rock bands + comic books Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It seems that your show The Antigravity Room is under the impression that putting rock bands into comic book form is an original idea to advertise. I thought I would inform you that the band Hawkwind started doing this over 20 years ago. They were a subject of a series of campy sci-fi books by Michael Moorcock and ??? Butterworth, the first book of which was called Time of the Hawklords. Later on, Hawkwind also appeared in their own comic book, presumably under the same name, though I'm not that sure. Perhaps you can do an "expose" or some other report on the music of Hawkwind and its influence on sci-fi -- or vice versa. I'm sure there will be others who e-mail you concerning Hawkwind and would be happy to provide you with the proper resources of information about this awesome band and it's sci-fi connections. The best source I can think of off the top of my head is at the following e-mail address: GrifMus at aol.com Griffin Music is the U.S. distributor for all sorts of Hawkwind albums and other merchandise, and the (a?) director of Griffin - the guy who manages the e-mail address - is Robert Godwin. Have fun! Damon Capehart | "Ladies and gentlemen, Ronco brings you the dcapehar at utdallas.edu | home cloning kit, a complete do it yourself kit The Society of Physics | for personal cloning. Buy one today and be the Students at UTD | first on your block to be second!" From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Mar 18 16:25:20 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:25:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Bob Calvert: Freq and Live at the QEH In-Reply-To: <9603181532.A14334@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, cjohnson wrote: > I wasn't too fond of Freq myself, but that may not be typical of > this List. The songs border on early industrial type sounds, with > some (possibly dated) mechanical sounds building the rhythms. > Also, each song is separated by a spoken word piece, ranting on > about a Miners strike that was taking place at the time. I always > program my CD player to avoid this stuff -- it got old pretty > quickly for me. Then again, the whole strike thing didn't mean > anything to me either ( <-- the ugly American ?) Well, I can understand that, just like I think UK listeners probably get "more" from Pink Floyd's _The Final Cut_ than US listeners do. The Miners' Strike was a Big Deal[tm] in the 80s in the UK. I like some of the interludes on _Freq_, which I find amusing---like the one where Bob is arguing with the scabs ("what, do you expect him to go around on a bicyle?"), but some of the others I find pretty boring (like the poorly recorded snippet of some NUM guy addressing a rally). I think it's an interesting document of the times though, and, with the magic of CD, at least those who aren't interested in it can program around it. I agree about the "industrial" overtones on _Freq_. (I've always said Trent Reznor is the reincarnation of Bob Calvert on steroids.;) My favourite tracks are "Ned Lud", "The Machines Are Quiet" and "Work Song." Simply beautiful... > One nice thing is that the spoken word thingies have some musical > background sounds. I understand that this was not on the original > record, and was added as part of the re-mastering that produced the > CD Freq (actually called "Freq Revisited"). While I do not have a > copy of the original LP to compare with, this is what I was told. > You should be able to get Freq at a good price: around $14. I have the original LP. I don't recall any background music on the in-between song interludes. > I haven't listened to Live at Queen Elizabeth Hall lately, so I'll > avoid any attempts at reviewing this one. Possibly a better choice > than Freq, though. How much was Best Buy asking for this one, and > did they have more than one in stock? There is some great stange banter from Bob on this one, showing just what a good raconteur he could be. Again, not Hawkwind, so don't expect much in that department on this release. (There is even a drum machine used as the drummer!) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Porcupine Tree, _The Sky Moves Sideways_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "Ned Lud had japanese eyes..." From jguizar at EPIX.NET Mon Mar 18 17:27:24 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 17:27:24 EST Subject: OFF: age limit? Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Mar 1996 13:12:10 EST Ted wrote: >> >> >The show in Allentown is on March 30th at: >> [...] >> > MUST BE 21 YEARS OLD >> >> ???An age limit on concert attendance??? > >Right you are, but the gig's in a bar. The bars are afraid that >someone under age could get served alcohol, and they could loose >their license if the feds happened by. Also, if a kid got drunk, >even if he used fake ID, and then drove home drunk and got killed in >a car wreck, his family would sue the bar for allowing him to get >drunk there. Welcome to the good ol' USA, with a desperate shyster >on every block...The nation of victims It doesn't even have to be a kid. I used to tend bar - one of the bartenders I used to work with got in a lot of hot water because of that. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM Mon Mar 18 18:45:58 1996 From: des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM (E F) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:45:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck in "GUANO"? In-Reply-To: <0099F84A.3DC02000.61@bigvax.alfred.edu> from "BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN" at Mar 18, 96 11:55:18 am Message-ID: > > Forgive me if this is already in the FAQ but one of my profs told me that > Buck Dharma played on a song for the band "Guano" in the '80s. The hit song > was called "I Want to Be a Lifeguard". Kind of expands on the pop/surf > influences we've all accused Buck of having ;) > Also he said that there's a song called "Heavy Metal Weekend" in which > the words Blue Oyster Cult are yelled at one time or another. > > Anyone know more on this? > > Brian > > Brian, The band was (is) called "Blotto" and the song Buck plays on is "Metal Head". He's in the video too, which as I recall was Buck sitting at home watching MTV when this band comes on and Buck starts throwing stuff at the TV. Not sure of the whole story but I remember hearing/reading/daydreaming that Buck saw these guys play out on Long Island and thought they were intersting enough to try and help out. The albums not bad, not great but not bad. Almost a party album. Now, go back to class and tell your Prof. that if he doesn't get his facts straight next time you'll have to fail him ;-) Ciao- --Eric --If I can't have a Pony then I want a Shotgun--John Belushi From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Mar 18 18:48:54 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:48:54 -0700 Subject: BOC: Show Date Error In-Reply-To: <314CFF48@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: What's the name of the tribute band opening for BOC in Pasedena? Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Mar 18 18:52:04 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:52:04 -0700 Subject: BOC in Buffalo? In-Reply-To: <960318121629_171300560@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: R22; Hey! Upcoming shows are; 3/23 Farmington, NM 3/28 Erie, PA 3/29 Pasedena, PA 3/30 Allentown, PA Regards... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From stayer at PI.NET Mon Mar 18 21:57:52 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:57:52 PST Subject: OFF: Cyber Sleaze, the compilation Message-ID: >>> sex education that will give them ideas. >>The experience in Europe strongly indicates that sex education for >>teenagers increases the mean age of first sexual experience. >Are you saying that the kids are OLDER when they have their first >sexual experience, when they had received sex education as a >teenager? Possibly implying, "less" (sex-)educated kids experiment >at an earlier age in this area? Even if sexual education would decrease the age at which the first sexual experiences take place, it still would be better, because the participants would know what they're doing. Why keep people away from 'love'? Jerry From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue Mar 19 04:36:04 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 09:36:04 GMT Subject: Off: CD cost breakdown Message-ID: > So, since most the CDs I buy have such incredibly pathetic > distribution I can scarcely imagine people paying for it, no advertising > or promotion to speak of, and no accompanying music videos, where's all > that money going? And what's this "Other" business? Is this Doug > Smith's cut? *Other* IS taken by DS, but he doesn't keep it. Oh no. He has teams of highly trained operatives who sneak into record company warehouses and swap the HW and Pendragon CDs about. You thought Doug was in this for himself didn't you? How naive, he's creating ultra-limited editions for the folks of BOC-L to drool over :-) Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue Mar 19 04:44:35 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 09:44:35 GMT Subject: HW: Bob Calvert: Freq and Live at the QEH Message-ID: Paul wrote: > Well, I can understand that, just like I think UK listeners probably get > "more" from Pink Floyd's _The Final Cut_ than US listeners do. The > Miners' Strike was a Big Deal[tm] in the 80s in the UK. I like some of > the interludes on _Freq_, which I find amusing---like the one where Bob is > arguing with the scabs ("what, do you expect him to go around on a > bicyle?"), but some of the others I find pretty boring (like the poorly > recorded snippet of some NUM guy addressing a rally). I think it's an > interesting document of the times though, and, with the magic of CD, at > least those who aren't interested in it can program around it. I think that this shows the true limitations of rock as a serious art form. Real art, it seems to me, is capable of holding a mirror up to society, or to each individual, and allows us to learn more about ourselves and our world. When rock musicians try to reflect the world their message is misunderstood or is painted in such black and white terms that it soon becomes trite and jaded. The miners strike of 1984-85 was the final death throws of labour in its fight against capital in the UK. Capital won because the labour and trade union movement as a whole was ground down by repressive legislation and the fear of unemployment. I haven't got the album and haven't heard it for years but I'd guess that the *NUM guy* is Arthur Scargill, the bete noir of the capitalist press, who was undeniably RIGHT :-( If you want goo, political rock that stands up as art, IMO, give a listen to *The Plague* by DEMON. A brilliant statement on the collapse of society caused by unemployment Up the workers :-) Chris From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 19 07:20:50 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:20:50 GMT Subject: HW: Bob Calvert: Freq and Live at the QEH In-Reply-To: Chris Bates's message of Tue, 19 Mar 1996 09:44:35 GMT Message-ID: Chris Bates writes: > The miners strike of 1984-85 was the final death throws of labour > in its fight against capital in the UK. Capital won because the > labour and trade union movement as a whole was ground down by repressive > legislation and the fear of unemployment. Nah. The Conservatives won because they'd *planned* for it. Thatcher always resented being in the Heath Cabinet which eventually lost to the miners in 1974 and ensured that stocks of coal were high before goading Scargill into taking the miners on strike *after* winter. > I haven't got the album > and haven't heard it for years but I'd guess that the *NUM guy* > is Arthur Scargill, Indeed it is. > the bete noir of the capitalist press, who > was undeniably RIGHT :-( He was right about the plans to run down and privatise mines. However his tactics for fighting that were abysmal. > > Up the workers :-) Some of whom used their redundancy money to buy and run (at a substantial profit) a mine which was to be closed. > Chris FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 19 07:24:06 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:24:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD In-Reply-To: <199603061638.IAA04824@desiree.teleport.com> from "Steve" at Mar 6, 96 08:42:48 am Message-ID: > Death to Fascism and Up with naked babes!!!! Somewhere in there is a song title that promises lyrics possibly even better than "Let's Go" or "Feel the Thunder" ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 19 07:26:02 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:26:02 +0000 Subject: HW: Anybody know these bands In-Reply-To: <199603061817.NAA04402@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at Mar 6, 96 01:17:42 pm Message-ID: > Omina Opera -- these two I have Omina Opera have excellent music, but a male vocalist with an incredibly annoying voice--far worse IMHO that Ron Bastard at his worst! :) If you can get by that, they're pretty cool. They also have a female vocalist who is not stellar but perfectly listenable. Cheers, Carl From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue Mar 19 08:31:54 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:31:54 GMT Subject: HW: Anybody know these bands Message-ID: Sometime ago Keith A Henderson wrote: > I was just searching through a mail order catalogue, looking for interesting > things I didn't know about previously. There were descriptions of the style > next to each disc title, and here are some that seemed reasonably interesting. > Anyone familiar with them?? > > Afterglow > Andwellas Dream > Ghostly Medley > Guru Guru -- I know that this is a "Krautrock" band, right?? > Mynd Music > Omina Opera -- these two I have > Nick Riff -- heard of before > Shiva Burlesque > Tear Gas There have probably been replies to this already - it seems to have been stuck on an information back country lane on its way to me. The only one of these acts that I'm familiar with is Guru Guru. Now when you say *Krautrock* what do you mean? I take it to mean prog bands from Germany but Guru Guru are nothing like Tangerine Dream or Amon Duul II or Kraftwerk (yuck!). I've got a couple of albums and a tape of a compilation album which seem to cover most of their career. The early stuff is pretty standard spacey blues-rock a la HW without the synths. In fact in many ways they remind me of Iron Butterfly (altogether now... In a gadda da vida... :-). Later on they got influenced by samba sounds and the pieces became shorter, totally different. Like many German bands they had a great rhythm section, driving but not afraid of getting away from a straight four to the floor. And (also like a lot of their countrymen) the lyrics make f**k all sense. Don't know who wrote 'em but I bet it wasn't the singer - he seems to have learnt the songs phonetically! - I heard that Klaus Meine did that on the early Scorpions stuff too. Worth checking out though, and if you like 'em give a listen to Can. Now there's some exciting and different music :-) Chris From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 19 09:54:24 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 09:54:24 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck in "GUANO"? Message-ID: Wasn't that Blotto? R. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Mar 19 10:02:20 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 10:02:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Anybody know these bands Message-ID: >Now when you say >*Krautrock* what do you mean? I take it to mean prog bands from Germany >but Guru Guru are nothing like Tangerine Dream or Amon Duul II or >Kraftwerk (yuck!). Not really - it's more defined by a time (early '70s), a place (West Germany), and an attitude (a pre-punk post-war German self-awareness thing). So it could be musically quite diverse. Guru Guru's Uli Trepte also played with Neu! and Faust, which suggests they really were part of the "echte Krautrockszene". Now, this might sound dumb, but how does one define "prog"? I find it one of those real turn-off words, 'cos it makes me think of _Tales of Topographic Oceans_, and other reasons why I started getting into Hawkwind in the first place... - Andy ObLP: Pink Fairies - _What a Bunch of Sweeties_ From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Mar 19 10:37:36 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 10:37:36 -0500 Subject: HW: Bob Calvert: Freq and Live at the QEH In-Reply-To: <199603190944.JAA28493@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Chris Bates wrote: > I think that this shows the true limitations of rock as a serious > art form. Real art, it seems to me, is capable of holding a mirror > up to society, or to each individual, and allows us to learn > more about ourselves and our world. When rock musicians try to > reflect the world their message is misunderstood or is painted in > such black and white terms that it soon becomes trite and jaded. I don't know about art, but I know what I like. :-) Unlike some of his other "political" work, I don't think Bob did a very good job on _Freq_. Unless you have the cultural context, the recorded interludes don't make much sense (as evidenced by some opinions from our American subscribers). (That's also why I think many of the political references in Floyd's _The Final Cut_ will fly over the heads of many non-British listeners.) I can easily see why some people would find them boring, having no knowledge of or emotional attachment to them. They're hardly seamless, either. > The miners strike of 1984-85 was the final death throws of labour > in its fight against capital in the UK. Capital won because the > labour and trade union movement as a whole was ground down by repressive > legislation and the fear of unemployment. I haven't got the album > and haven't heard it for years but I'd guess that the *NUM guy* > is Arthur Scargill, the bete noir of the capitalist press, who > was undeniably RIGHT :-( I was born and raised in the North-East of England---a place that has received *more* than its fair share of the shaft from the Tories. I lived through the miners strike. My home town (South Shields) has (had?) two pits at Boldon and Westoe. (Westoe was shut down, but Boldon *might* still be operating, I don't know for sure. It was a sad day indeed when they blew up the pit head building at Westoe---a visible landmark throughout the town for as long as I can remember.) Memories of the miners strike still run deep. I don't need you to tell me about the miners strike, thank you very much. Everyone laughed when Arthur presented his "hit list" of pit closures. Yet how many of them remain open today? His words rang true. Few can deny that. Btw, are you sure that the NUM guy is Arthur Scargill? If it is, Bob did him a great disservice. Arthur is a very good orator, but the person on _Freq_ sounds anything but. > If you want goo, political rock that stands up as art, IMO, give > a listen to *The Plague* by DEMON. A brilliant statement on the > collapse of society caused by unemployment If I stumble across it, I'll give it a spin. > Up the workers :-) Not that there are many of those left. ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _New River Head_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Mar 19 10:46:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 10:46:00 EST Subject: HW: Cover Contribution (Arch Met) Message-ID: >This is the final track listing for the HW covers project, to the best >of my knowledge. (We need confirmation that the tapes of Architectural >Metaphor's "Welcome to the Future" are on their way). Oh, yeah, that's what I needed. I have the tapes ready, but need your snail addresses. I'll send a private confirmation when I actually give them to Mr. Zip. Rudy Rudich at volpe2.dot.gov From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Mar 19 11:02:38 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 11:02:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Bob Calvert: Freq and Live at the QEH Message-ID: >Btw, are you sure that the NUM guy is Arthur Scargill? If it is, Bob did >him a great disservice. Arthur is a very good orator, but the person on >_Freq_ sounds anything but. I think you might be thinking of the Communications Workers bloke - the one who loses his thread half-way through his speech about Grunwick? - Andy From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Tue Mar 19 12:04:38 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 11:04:38 -0600 Subject: HW: Cover Contribution (Arch Met) In-Reply-To: <314E4D9D@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Rudich, Robert A wrote: > >This is the final track listing for the HW covers project, to the best > >of my knowledge. (We need confirmation that the tapes of Architectural > >Metaphor's "Welcome to the Future" are on their way). > > Oh, yeah, that's what I needed. I have the tapes ready, but need your snail > addresses. I'll send a private confirmation when I actually give them to > Mr. Zip. I'm at: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. 2327 Murphy Dr. #10 Lawrence KS 66046-3959 USA I have lost the file that had the addresses for Dave and I, so he'll have to repost his. :-( FYI, Spring Break is next week, and I plan to begin making tape sets ASAP, so if you still want in, let Dave and I know. This is the list of people I have requests from, and it may well duplicate some of Dave's list. Tape sets will probably cost US requestors $10, including postage (unless you contributed to the project in which case tapes you sent get deducted from your total), but I'll check that for sure later in the week. Chuck, what's the status on the inserts? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 19 12:16:58 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:16:58 GMT Subject: OFF: cloning technology In-Reply-To: Matt Curtis's message of Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:13:08 +1100 Message-ID: Matt Curtis writes: > Kinda HW, kinda OFF: > I heard on the radio this morning that in the UK they've succesfully > cloned a sheep. Yep. It was scientist dudes in Edinburgh wot done it. > Fascinating, whichever way you look at it.. Apparently it's the first > time they've had success cloning mammals. What's next? Well, they seem to have a thing about sheep. I'm sure they had one genetically engineered to lactate some kinda human hormone. Maybe a new method of producing beer? It's sure to go down well in 'stralia :-) > -matt "Everything it bleats is in the same tone..." Until it goes to Slaughterhouse Five... FoFP From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 19 12:19:25 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:19:25 GMT Subject: OFF: cloning technology In-Reply-To: Matt Curtis's message of Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:13:08 +1100 Message-ID: Matt Curtis writes: > Kinda HW, kinda OFF: > "Don't be a sheep..... Baaa baaa baaa baaa" > I heard on the radio this morning that in the UK they've succesfully cloned a > sheep. > > Fascinating, whichever way you look at it.. Apparently it's the first time > they've had success cloning mammals. What's next? > Apparently this is 1964 technology and it's only just now got into the news cos one/several have been born. Scientists are a bit miffed at having to go back over (what they see as) old research!! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Mar 19 13:05:03 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:05:03 EST Subject: HW: Cover Contribution (Arch Met) Message-ID: >Chuck, what's the status on the inserts? I'm looking at my latest proofs _right now_. I think I'm gonna make one more change tonight, then tomorrow upload the "final" versions of the inserts to Paul's FTP site. I've already made the fourth insert (for the 60-min tape). The name I gave it is "Designed to Rob You of Your Mind", from Coded Languages. Question: On Tape 3, for music by the Australian Hawklords, the last two songs have been listed as both "Neon Skyline/Lost Chronicles" and as "Lost C./Neon S.", with the phrase "(fade)" after this. Could somebody clarify for me exactly what to expect here? Is this similar to the Xenon Codex version where N.S. segues into L.C. and back again? I am currently listing it on the tape as "Neon Skyline, Lost Chronicles (fades)". Please let me know if this is not acceptable. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Mar 19 13:19:23 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:19:23 -0500 Subject: HW: Cover Contribution (Arch Met) In-Reply-To: from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at Mar 19, 96 11:04:38 am Message-ID: Allan wrote: > FYI, Spring Break is next week, and I plan to begin making tape sets > ASAP, so if you still want in, let Dave and I know. This is the list of > people I have requests from, and it may well duplicate some of Dave's > list. Where's the list??? Am I still on it? Hope so. Keith Henderson P.S. Allan, did'ya get your Sun Machine tapes yet?? From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Mar 19 13:38:16 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:38:16 -0500 Subject: HW: Space Rock Comp. tape anyone?? In-Reply-To: <960318061457_171154220@emout09.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Mar 18, 96 06:14:59 am Message-ID: Hi Folks: Over the years, I've always made compilation tapes from LP's and CD's in my ever-growing collection (>1000 items now) for listening in my car on long trips between HW gigs, etc. :) Anyway, I just made one the other day of many of the newer "space rock" artists, and I discovered that no less than half of the 18 artists I've chosen I found about through the internet in some way. Here's what I've compiled (90 min. cassette): SIDE 1: 1) Speed inside my shoes -- Amon Duul II (GR) (1995) 2) Lunar Sea -- Nik Turner & Simon House (UK) (1994) 3) I'm 5 Yrs. ahead of my time -- Monster Magnet (US) (1995) 4) Small Fish -- Porcupine Tree (UK) (1993) 5) I don't mind -- Sun Dial (UK) (1992) 6) Too Late! (pt. 2) -- Alman Mulo Band (UK) (1994) 7) Harbour of Infinity -- Melting Euphoria (US) (1995) 8) Circus Church -- Sky Cries Mary (US) (1993) 9) Squirrel -- Levitation (UK) (1991) 10) Ride the Train of Thought -- Bevis Frond (UK) (1988) 11) IAOM Riff -- Gong (FR/UK) (1995) SIDE 2: 1) Altered State Circus -- Dead Flowers (UK) (1994) 2) Waiting for Nati -- Tim Blake (UK) (1991) 3) Valley of Time -- DarXtar (SW) (1994) 4) Dislocated Day -- Porcupine Tree (UK) (1995) 5) Invasion of a Megaforce -- Eloy (GR) (1988) 6) Utopian Forest -- The Spacious Mind (SW) (1993) 7) Pray for me now -- Landberk (SW) (1992) 8) Safe Zone -- Tubilah Dog (UK) (1988) So, the question now is....who wants one?? I'm willing to make copies of this tape for anyone who's interested, and willing to send me a tape of something interesting I've never heard before (could be full albums...or a similar compilation theme). I know there's some of you that have heard 80% of this stuff, but there are probably others who have never heard or seen anything by many of these artists....this might be a good way of finding out whether it might be worth the $20 to pick up an import CD, rather than guessing that you'll like it. Anyone who's interested can contact me via private e-mail @ khenders at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Keith H. From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Tue Mar 19 14:26:04 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:26:04 -0600 Subject: HW: Cover Contribution (Arch Met) In-Reply-To: <199603191819.NAA28519@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Keith A Henderson wrote: > > FYI, Spring Break is next week, and I plan to begin making tape sets > > ASAP, so if you still want in, let Dave and I know. This is the list of > > people I have requests from, and it may well duplicate some of Dave's > > list. > > Where's the list??? Am I still on it? Hope so. Sorry, I forgot to append it :-( Here it is: ---- > >Just how many list members want a set? From: William Stone From: "C.E. Anderson" From: Gary Wingert From: cjohnson From: Vanderpump & Welbelove From: Paul Ward From: Frank Weil From: HERBERT119 at delphi.com (Chuck) From: donnell at epx.cis.umn.edu (brian) From: JEFFRIEDLE at aol.com (Jeff) From: Hawkwind00 at aol.com (ray) From: Jerry Guizar From: Doug Bates From: Paul Mather From: Martyn White From: MCINTYRE at pa.msu.edu (John McIntyre) From: Stephen Lindsey From: Richard Crump From: Keith A Henderson From: Chris Baxley From: RJPXR5 at aol.com From: P Mitchell From: Rudich, Robert A From: Martyn Lawrence From: Michael P Mccollum From: "David B. Kuznick" From: ALANSEIBERT at delphi.com From: Brand From: The Great Quail From: Stephen Swann John Majka sent me a request, but I think he's actually in the USA. I'll ask him. > Have you rec'd any requests that have not appeared on the list as a whole? I have had requests from Alun Hughes, David Jones, Rob Stuckey, and Paul Ward, plus confirmation from Mike Holmes, Mike Wright, Jill, Hendrik and Joe. Joe also asked if I could do a set for Soren of darXtar; I've asked him to pay for those. > I would tend to assume we'd make a set for the band as well (or would > that be a set for each member?). I was assuming one set for the band. One for each member (or worse, per ex-member) would be expensive! ---- Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Mar 19 14:40:00 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:40:00 -0500 Subject: HW: Space Rock Comp. tape anyone?? Message-ID: >Hi Folks: > >So, the question now is....who wants one?? I'm willing to make copies of this >tape for anyone who's interested, and willing to send me a tape of something >interesting I've never heard before (could be full albums...or a similar >compilation theme). I know there's some of you that have heard 80% of this >stuff, but there are probably others who have never heard or seen anything by >many of these artists....this might be a good way of finding out whether it >might be worth the $20 to pick up an import CD, rather than guessing that >you'll like it. > I would definitely want one... I guess the next question would be is what exactly have you never heard before. I don't have too much stuff, but if you're interested in any of the following, let me know: Devil Doll - tape, 90 min, one album on each side, Sacriligious and something I'm not sure how to spell, something like Epiloguous. Kinda gothic/horror punk but popular among some hawkfans in the area... definitely weird. Ozrics - I assume you have this, but if ya don't, I've got Ethereal Cereal, and There is Nothing If these won't do, let me know, there are a few others near me I can pressure into letting me copy stuff off that have a lot more tapes lying around... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Mar 19 14:54:57 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:54:57 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: Cyber Sleaze, the compilation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, Jerry wrote: > Even if sexual education would decrease the age at which the first sexual > experiences take place, it still would be better, because the participants > would know what they're doing. Why keep people away from 'love'? Thank you for putting that in quotes. :) Damon From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Tue Mar 19 15:20:39 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 15:20:39 -0500 Subject: HW: Cover Contribution (Arch Met) Message-ID: Sorry to clutter bandwidth for those who don't care, Alans list reminded me to let anybody who might have my email address on trading lists etc. that it has changed > From: Stephen Lindsey would now be: stephen at spatial.unisys.com Cheers, Steve L. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Mar 19 15:53:00 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 15:53:00 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawks on the net Message-ID: In a message dated 96-03-18 06:53:18 EST, you write: > Sadly, they'd probably spend their >> entire time on the list winding each other up with flame wars if they >> did subscribe 8-( > >Sorta like the one they carried on in the letters pages of NME after the >Calvert Benefit gig? From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Mar 19 17:44:56 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:44:56 -0500 Subject: HW: Comic book expose' Message-ID: > >Well, it seems that the address for The Antigravity Room didn't work, so >we won't be having our wonderful little expose' about Hawkwind and the >sci-fi/comicbook connection. Oh well. > >Damon > I also recieved my post to them as returned. I will double check the email adress, but I am quite sure that I got it right. I am also looking for an email adress for the sci-fi channel itself, and I will begin lobbying them to do some shows on spacerock, and obviously, if your gonna cover spacerock, HW MUST be included. Duane Hello, My name is Duane Hoyt. I am 38 years old. I was watching the show Antigravity Room yesterday, and I want to tell you it is a very good show. I know it is geared toward a younger audience, but, but I find it enjoyable also. The last show I watched, you did a story on comics and you said you would like to know which rock bands would make good comic characters. I can name the absolute best band for this, and to make it better, they have already done this. The band is called Hawkwind. They are a band that invented " spacerock" .( The subject of Spacerock would make a very interesting show! ) They have been around for over 25 years and recently released a cd entitled Alien4. It deals with being abducted by Aliens. They have always dealt with the subject of sci-fi. Anyway, back to the comics. They had a comic book made of them as a band of Psychedelic Warlords. As a sci-fi fan, it is no surprise my favorite music is sc-fi oriented. I think many of the watchers of your show are also interested in this subject, but as spacerock gets very little if not any promotion, it is not easy to find information on bands in this genre of music. There are many bands out there today doing this style of music, and the bands doing it need a way to get more attention into this area of music. As the Sci-Fi channel, you would be doing a service to your viewers to promote this area of the entertainment field. Thank you for taking the time to read this. I am very happy with your channel, as I just recently started getting it, after hounding the cable company for over 2 years. I live in Sheffield Lake, Ohio I have Continental Cablevision. Duane Hoyt -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 19 17:49:05 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 22:49:05 +0000 Subject: Shameless self-promotion! :) Message-ID: This is my promotion--once I'm incredibly famous, I'll deduct it off that list of costs we saw that make up a CD price ;) Scott Heller of this list will be playing a wicked cool radio show in Boston for 2 hours, 10 to 12 am Wednesday April 3rd on WMBR 88.1 FM in the Boston, MA (USA) area. Included amongst the various cool music which he will be playing shall be some material from my own demo tape, recorded last summer with Chris Bruce (of Kadu Flyer/US Hawkwind live sound fame) as engineer. Besides my songs and guitar/bass playing it features Tania Ruiz ex-of-this- list and creator of the Brain Surgeons Home Page on vocals, and a synth appearance from David Kuznick of this list (no hiding from it now, David! ;) Those who can catch the show, I would be flattered if you could grit your teeth and brave my travesties, at least for the sake of Tania's fine voice and David's artful synth textures :) Cheers, Carl ps--gotta split to Scotland for a week (St. Andrews, for a conference so alas I probably won't get to meet the Scottish list contingent :( ) so I'm signing off for the time being.... see y'all later! > Hello, > > I will be on Wed Apr 3 from 10-12 am on WMBR 88.1 FM. I look > forward to playing your tape as well as lots of other strange and > wonderful stuff. > > Just got back from a job interview in Dallas and it went very well. > Good chance I will take the job if it is offered to me. > > SCott > > > From sai at TOPAZ.MICROBIO.UAB.EDU Tue Mar 19 18:00:50 1996 From: sai at TOPAZ.MICROBIO.UAB.EDU (Sai) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:00:50 -0600 Subject: HW: Space Rock Comp. tape anyone?? In-Reply-To: "Andrew A. Apold" "Re: HW: Space Rock Comp. tape anyone??" (Mar 19, 2:40pm) Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" > Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused > Chancellor of being corrupted since > Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... > Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) >-- End of excerpt from Andrew A. Apold hey there, i noticed that yur sig has the makings of an SCA (society for creative anachronism) title. if so and if you are a scadian, KOOL!! it would be nice to know that there are other scadians who are into HW. btw, where exactly is the Kingdom of Burning Lands and who are you guys allied with? i, myself am from the household of Reynesfolke from Aethelmark (East Kingdom - im mundane terms, from New York...). well, anywayz, cheers... -- Arioch (sai at topaz.microbio.uab.edu) Daemon prince of Chaos (a.k.a Cell and Molecular Biology Graduate student) The East side of the 9th plane of hell (a.k.a Dept. of Microbiology) Dimension of Chaos (a.k.a University of Alabama at Birmingham...) 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See details on: http://www.partner-contact.com From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Tue Mar 19 21:26:13 1996 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 20:26:13 -0600 Subject: off: F/I Message-ID: F/i now has a web page at: http://www.execpc.com/~grichter/fi.html From MicDuggan at AOL.COM Wed Mar 20 00:56:22 1996 From: MicDuggan at AOL.COM (Michael Duggan) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 00:56:22 -0500 Subject: sorry off topic Message-ID: Hi all, I'm sorry to interrupt the discussion. However I'd like to get off this list--but I failed to save the instructions on how to do that onto my computer. Don't know why--but they aren't there. Could anyone help me? Thanks! MicDuggan at AOL.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 19 12:22:43 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:22:43 +0000 Subject: HW: Anybody know these bands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Carl E. Anderson" writes >> Omina Opera -- these two I have > > Omina Opera have excellent music, but a male vocalist with an >incredibly annoying voice--far worse IMHO that Ron Bastard at his worst! :) >If you can get by that, they're pretty cool. They also have a female >vocalist who is not stellar but perfectly listenable. > >Cheers, >Carl Isn't it _OMNIA_ OPERA as opposed to OMINA? -- Jon Browne From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Wed Mar 20 06:05:33 1996 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:05:33 GMT Subject: OFF: Back soon Message-ID: Temporarily unsubscibing. I'm off to the Middle East for three weeks living out my Hassan I Sabbah fantasies. See you all soon, Keith From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Wed Mar 20 11:58:58 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 10:58:58 -0600 Subject: astronomy - comet hyakutake - off topic Message-ID: For those mailing lists this is going to, sorry for the off topic message, but as an astronomer (in a time when public support for the sciences is iffy at best) I feel the duty (and have been directed by my superiors) to inform as many people as possible about the Comet Hyakutake close approach to earth on monday. I won't waste lots of space here with details, but it's going to be big and bright, and moving fast (enough to see it move) over the next few days, with max brightness (and size and speed) on monday. It will be visible pretty much all night from the northern hemisphere starting sunday, and going through the end of april. It's moving pretty much due north (towards the pole star) to the east of the big dipper. Perhaps you've already heard about it, but if not, you should definitely check it out. See your local observatory/planetarium/astronomy club or whatever to maybe get in on use of larger telescopes, but you can see it quite well with the naked eye or binoculars. It now has a tail about 5 or so degrees wide, which will be increasing as it approaches the sun. There are undoubtedly various internet sites which can provide you with more info if needed, but also feel free to email me. Good luck. -Bryan Irby irby at crux.astr.ua.edu Oh yeah, and there's also a lunar eclipse in two weeks. From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Wed Mar 20 12:25:42 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:25:42 -0600 Subject: Drag Pack- 3/20 at The Spiral, NYC (fwd) Message-ID: just pulled this from alt.psyche -thought any new yorkers might wanna know about it. -mike psyche ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 18 MAR 1996 14:44:26 -0500 From: me Newgroups: alt.music.psychedelic Subject: Drag Pack- 3/20 at The Spiral, NYC All fans of heavy psychedelia/musclecar/stoner rock (along the lines of Black Sabbath, Blue Cheer, The Stooges, MC5, Monster Magnet, Fu Manchu, Sleep, Kyuss, Hawkwind, etc..) are invited to check out Drag Pack at The Spiral in NYC on March 20. Show starts at 11 PM (I think- call club for details) and it will be a blast. Liquid lightshow will be in tow! The Spiral is located at 224 East Houston St. in NYC. See you there.....Need more info?...email keithi at eden.rutgers.edu From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 20 13:10:10 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 18:10:10 GMT Subject: astronomy - comet hyakutake - off topic In-Reply-To: Bryan Irby's message of Wed, 20 Mar 1996 10:58:58 -0600 Message-ID: Bryan Irby writes: > with details, but it's going to be big and bright, and moving fast > (enough to see it move) over the next few days, with max brightness > (and size and speed) on monday. It will be visible pretty much all > night from the northern hemisphere starting sunday, and going through yeah - but is it going to be bright enough to shine through 100% cloud cover 8-((( jill Akcherly - if this comet *does* turn out to be visible then this'll be the second wondrous heavenly sighting recently (viz some recent "nacreous" cloud which set a lot of folk gossiping). All we need is a few falling fish or pigs (there's already been the wondrous sheep birth of course) or Hawkwind to do a live gig and I'd say we were well set up for the coming millenium. > Oh yeah, and there's also a lunar eclipse in two weeks. full or partial? ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 20 13:15:26 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 18:15:26 GMT Subject: Shameless self-promotion! :) In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Tue, 19 Mar 1996 22:49:05 +0000 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > Scott Heller of this list will be playing a wicked cool radio > show in Boston for 2 hours, 10 to 12 am Wednesday April 3rd on WMBR > 88.1 FM in the Boston, MA (USA) area. > Included amongst the various cool music which he will be playing > shall be some material from my own demo tape, recorded last summer with so is anyone gonna do a bootleg tape of this show for us....... 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Tue Mar 19 16:42:03 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:42:03 EST Subject: HW: Cover Contribution (Arch Met) Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:26:04 -0600 Allan wrote: >On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Keith A Henderson wrote: >> Have you rec'd any requests that have not appeared on the list as a whole? > >I have had requests from Alun Hughes, David Jones, Rob Stuckey, >and Paul Ward, plus confirmation from Mike Holmes, Mike Wright, >Jill, Hendrik and Joe. Joe also asked if I could do a set for >Soren of darXtar; I've asked him to pay for those. I'll pay for Sorens' set. Just let me know when and where to send the money - he was kind enough to sign some CD's. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Mar 20 17:55:37 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 17:55:37 EST Subject: HW: Comic book expose' Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:44:56 -0500 Duane wrote: >I also recieved my post to them as returned. I will double check the >email adress, but I am quite sure that I got it right. >I am also looking for an email adress for the sci-fi channel itself, http://www.scifi.com - should be able to send mail from there. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Wed Mar 20 18:06:50 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 18:06:50 -0500 Subject: At the end of the day..... Message-ID: Dear PiTS: > If one were to actual train for the marathon, starting from a >sedentary lifestyle, what sort of recommendations would you give? Regularity of training schedule is important. It's better to run more days (six days @ three miles a day is better than running 20 miles once a week). Keep a running log of you mileage, time, notable experiences. It will make things more interesting and if you get an injury you will be able to figure out what happened easier. Keeping a diary is a fun thing to do anyway. Don't increase over 10% in any week. Start slowly running a block a day for four days. The next week do a block a day for three days, and a block and a half the last day. Next week three one block days, one two block day etc. The main thing is to have fun with it and not to hurt yourself. Good Luck Al From stayer at PI.NET Tue Mar 19 21:31:52 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:31:52 PST Subject: OFF: Pendragon Message-ID: [Pendragon - THE WORLD, no Hawkwind] >You have, sir, a copy of Pendragons' THE_WORLD, a fine bit of neo-prog. >Understandbly, you are probably miffed with this mix-up, but the CD >you have is quite nice and should be listened to! (Well, I like it, >anyways!) >This is probably Pendragons' most prog-gy effort. The others are a little >too poppish in nature, but still quite good. Are we forgetting their first full length album 'The Jewel' (1984) here? I stopped being a great Marillion fan after I had heard 'The Jewel' (right after Marillion released 'Fugazi'). Much better. I think 'The World' is too much Pink Floyd. But maybe that's why HW fans would like it better than than 'The Jewel'... Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Mar 19 21:48:29 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:48:29 PST Subject: OFF: EUR / USA Message-ID: Hi Theo, >> In message <37C2C027017 at hawk.syr.edu>, "Ted O. Jackson" >> writes >> >Imagine that! Yet your own Nigel Tufnel, when asked to describe the >> >difference between American and European fans, said: 'The Americans >> >have better teeth.' >> >theo >> What is this thing Americans have with Brit's teeth? They've cracked a >> few funnies on The Simpsons about this.... >> I'm a Brit and i've got a lovely smile....see :-)))) >Your paranoia is showing! I said 'Europeans' not specifically Brits, >but I supposed you all could be unceremoniously lumped together. I >was equally shocked to read disparaging comments about American >hygine, when I thought it was a standing joke on the continent that >Americans are obsessive about personal cleanliness. I think it has >something to do with flouridated water. They don't do that in >Europe, do they? No, 'they' don't, we can keep our own teeth clean by ourselves. >Of course you can't drink the water there anyway, >so why waste time and money putting flouride in it? I've never tastes worse water than when I was in the US. Er... /drinkable/ water that is - I have lived in Italy for a while, and I didn't dare smelling the water :-) But seriously, I had to buy water in bottles... >I have no idea where this comes from, but I do know lots of Europeans >and generally, their teeth ARE fucked up--lots of bridgework, >dentures etc. And these are relatively young people. You just don't >see that many americans with major dental problems, though there are >certainly exceptions. Hm... I seem to have experienced otherwise. I don't pay much attention to other people's teeth when I'm not kissing them, by the way. >The flouride's the thing, I'm convinced, >though we have some extremists who claim it's a communist plot, etc, >that the flouride's poisoning us, etc. Force-feeding paranoia, mass hysteria. All instruments of a dictatorial government, history says :-). >dentally yours, :-))) Jerry From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Mar 20 20:02:10 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 20:02:10 -0500 Subject: HW: Space Rock Comp. tape anyone?? In-Reply-To: <199603191940.OAA13849@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Mar 19, 96 02:40:00 pm Message-ID: Hey, Andrew: > I would definitely want one... OK, you're on the list. > I guess the next question would be is what exactly > have you never heard before. I don't have too much stuff, but if you're > interested in any of the following, let me know: > > Devil Doll - tape, 90 min, one album on each side, Sacriligious and something > I'm not sure how to spell, something like How 'bout 'Sacriliegium'???? Is that it?? I don't really know who these guys are...apparently they're from Italy, and it says 'Classical, prog, wierd' as a description in this mail order catalog I've got here, so that sounds interesting to me... :) Wierd is good... What's your opinion of them??? > Epiloguous. Kinda > gothic/horror punk but popular among some hawkfans > in the area... definitely weird. Not so sure about this one.... > Ozrics - I assume you have this, but if ya don't, I've got Ethereal Cereal, > and There is Nothing > Well, I've got a lot of Ozrics stuff, but neither of these...I have Afterswish, which probably has a few of these tracks... EC is live, right?? Well, a side of DD and a side of Ozrics would be cool....I could give you a tracklist of Afterswish (If you don't have it) so you could avoid these tracks. Lemme know what you think..... Will need your s-mail address eventually...here's mine' Keith Henderson 1559 Presidential Drive, Apt. B4 Columbus, OH 43212 Thanks...Keith From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Wed Mar 20 20:54:02 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 19:54:02 -0600 Subject: astronomy - comet hyakutake - off topic In-Reply-To: <9603210147.AA11548@crux.astr.ua.edu> Message-ID: > yeah - but is it going to be bright enough to shine through 100% cloud > cover 8-((( > > jill So you say you live in the UK? I don't think I saw clear skies in the entire time I was over there (approx 3 weeks), but it was in June after all. > a few falling fish or pigs (there's already been the wondrous sheep > birth of course) or Hawkwind to do a live gig and I'd say we were > well set up for the coming millenium. How about a PFloyd reunion? "When pigs fly"..? > > Oh yeah, and there's also a lunar eclipse in two weeks. > > full or partial? I believe it's going to be nearly total where I am, which is about 33 deg north. But I could be mistaken... Can't say what it will look like in the UK, but I imagine it will at least be partial there. -Bryan Irby irby at hera.astr.ua.edu irby at crux.astr.ua.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The people of San Lorenzo", the father told me, "are interested in only three things: fishing, fornication, and Bokononism." "Don't you think they could be interested in progress?" "They've seen some of it. There's only one aspect of progress that really excites them." "What's that?" "The electric guitar." -Kurt Vonnegut, Jr., _Cat's Cradle_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Wed Mar 20 22:13:24 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 22:13:24 -0500 Subject: astronomy - comet hyakutake - off topic Message-ID: I saw it early this morning with the naked eye - just north of the head of scorpious. It was fantastic. Shawn From mmeese at HOME.STLNET.COM Wed Mar 20 23:45:20 1996 From: mmeese at HOME.STLNET.COM (Mike Miesner) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 22:45:20 -0600 Subject: sorry off topic Message-ID: At 12:56 AM 3/20/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > > I'm sorry to interrupt the discussion. However I'd like to get off this >list--but I failed to save the instructions on how to do that onto my >computer. Don't know why--but they aren't there. Could anyone help me? > Thanks! > >MicDuggan at AOL.com > > send message "signoff boc-l" From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Mar 20 23:53:55 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 05:53:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Cover Contribution (Arch Met) Message-ID: >>I have had requests from Alun Hughes, David Jones, Rob Stuckey, >>and Paul Ward, plus confirmation from Mike Holmes, Mike Wright, >>Jill, Hendrik and Joe. Joe also asked if I could do a set for >>Soren of darXtar; I've asked him to pay for those. > > I'll pay for Sorens' set. Just let me know when and where to send the >money - he was kind enough to sign some CD's. thanks, but already taken care of... me, Soren and Dave has worked out a fair deal. :0) >Jerry \\joe From stayer at PI.NET Thu Mar 21 03:27:29 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 00:27:29 PST Subject: OFF: age limit? Message-ID: >> >The show in Allentown is on March 30th at: >> [...] >> > MUST BE 21 YEARS OLD >> ???An age limit on concert attendance??? >Nothing new about that. First couple of times BOC came around where >I was I was too young to go to the gig ... What a bummer. Theo said it has to do with the fact that it's a bar. Wow, I'm really glad we don't have a system like that! You can enter a bar when you're 12. They don't care. They're not allowed to sell you any alcohol, the rest is your own responsibility. However, when a bartender sees someone buying the beers, and giving it to someone he's not allowed to sell alcohol to, he wouldn't be selling it to the first guy any longer. That's /his/ responsibility. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu Mar 21 03:46:19 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 00:46:19 PST Subject: HW: Covers project; track listing Message-ID: >This is the final track listing for the HW covers project, to the best >of my knowledge. (We need confirmation that the tapes of Architectural >Metaphor's "Welcome to the Future" are on their way). >There are four tapes: 1 100 min, 2 90 min, and one 60 min. >Dave. Sorry to drop in this late about this. Have you heard of British band IQ (progressive rock)? During their first gigs (1982), they did 'Master of the Universe'. I have two tapes containing their performance of this song. Interested? Jerry From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Mar 21 01:34:23 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 01:34:23 -0500 Subject: HW: how about a brawl!! Message-ID: On 18-MAR-1996 15:35:36.3 cjohnson said to HERBERT119 >Received: from ccmail.hpsc.hisd.harris.com by >sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28355; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 >15:34:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from cc:Mail by >sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com (1.20/SMTPLink) id A14334; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 >15:32:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:32:40 -0500 (EST) >From: cjohnson >Subject: Re[5]: HW: how about a brawl!! >To: HERBERT119 at delphi.com, BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Message-id: <9603181532.A14334 at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >>Prophets: just bought this yesterday. Was most of this stuff recorded >>live w/audience or studio? >Seems to me that most/all of this was studio, even though much of >it is remakes of older Nik, ICU, or HW songs. This release struck >me as an uneven grab-bag of songs from Nik's entire career, even >tho I don't think it was meant to be a retrospective or anything. >I *do* like several of the songs on this one. I really like this. Still needs a lot more listens before I decide if it's imomortal, but it has similar qualities to albums like Ritual or Warrior - fast, heavy rock tunes interspaced w/freaked-out spoken pieces. And a VERY electronic/synthy album, plenty of that to satisfy people looking for the intense HW style. >[CHOMP] >>I would definitely like to know how Freq and Live are as I see these at >>Best Buy. Of course it'd really be nice to find Capt or Leif, but >>I've never seen them... >> >>Chuck >I wasn't too fond of Freq myself, but that may not be typical of >this List. The songs border on early industrial type sounds, with >some (possibly dated) mechanical sounds building the rhythms. >Also, each song is separated by a spoken word piece, ranting on >about a Miners strike that was taking place at the time. I always >program my CD player to avoid this stuff -- it got old pretty >quickly for me. Then again, the whole strike thing didn't mean >anything to me either ( <-- the ugly American ?) >One nice thing is that the spoken word thingies have some musical >background sounds. I understand that this was not on the original >record, and was added as part of the re-mastering that produced the >CD Freq (actually called "Freq Revisited"). While I do not have a >copy of the original LP to compare with, this is what I was told. >You should be able to get Freq at a good price: around $14. >I haven't listened to Live at Queen Elizabeth Hall lately, so I'll >avoid any attempts at reviewing this one. Possibly a better choice >than Freq, though. How much was Best Buy asking for this one, and >did they have more than one in stock? >I've never seen a domestic (USA) CD issue of either Capt Lockheed >or Lucky Leif. Did Cleopatra recently issue one of these? Perhaps >Capt Lockheed? I seem to vaguely remember spotting an announcement >to that effect somewhere...of course, it could just be more >brainmush on my part. >Captain Cloud >cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com Thanks, Capt. I'll have to get back to you on the exact prices, but I know they were very reasonable -- Less than 15 bucks, I'm almost sure. There was one copy each, but there's a good chance of others at other BBs. If you're interested, e-mail me. I think I'll pass on 'em, at least for now -- It sounds like my money would be better targeted for an expensive import of Lockheed (I love the two songs on LOL). A general consensus of all of Calvert's solo stuff would be cool, though -- Maybe a solo-poll is in order indeed. Chuck `[1;37;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 21 05:04:26 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:04:26 GMT Subject: OFF: EUR / USA In-Reply-To: Jerry's message of Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:48:29 PST Message-ID: Jerry writes: > >Americans are obsessive about personal cleanliness. I think it has > >something to do with flouridated water. They don't do that in > >Europe, do they? > No, 'they' don't, we can keep our own teeth clean by ourselves. > I thought they'd been putting fluoride in the water here for years. That's why bits of your teeth sometimes turn black. If you've got a tooth with a weakness in the enamel or a section where the enamel is beginning to wear thin the fluoride will react with the stuff underneath to form a protective barrier against decay but unfortunately will also turn your tooth a greyishblack in the process. Tho' that could just be happening in areas of naturally fluoridated water I guess. > >Of course you can't drink the water there anyway, > >so why waste time and money putting flouride in it? > I've never tastes worse water than when I was in the US. Er... /drinkable/ I've heard say that the cleanest water you will find anywhere in the world is in New York but that this is primarily because by the time its been filtered, cleaned, purified, decontaminated and de-whateverelseified there is absolutely nothing left in it at all. On the other hand I've also heard say that London water has been through nine people by the time you drink it..... Yours fluoridatedly, jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Mar 21 07:55:30 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:55:30 GMT Subject: HW: Cover Contribution (Arch Met) In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:05:03 EST Message-ID: > Question: On Tape 3, for music by the Australian Hawklords, the > last two songs have been listed as both "Neon Skyline/Lost > Chronicles" and as "Lost C./Neon S.", with the phrase "(fade)" > after this. Could somebody clarify for me exactly what to expect > here? They start with Neon Skyline, segue into Lost Chronicles, and then the tape fades out. We got the order mixed up at one point. Dave. From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Mar 21 08:28:42 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 08:28:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: EUR / USA Message-ID: >Jerry writes: >> I've never tastes worse water than when I was in the US. Er... /drinkable/ > >I've heard say that the cleanest water you will find anywhere in the >world is in New York but that this is primarily because by the time its >been filtered, cleaned, purified, decontaminated and >de-whateverelseified there is absolutely nothing left in it at all. I can't believe I'm actually entereing this discussion... US drinking water quality varies wildly from municipality to municipality. When I was in San Antonio, it was normal for tap water to leave a ring in a sink if left standing, due to high mineral content from the aquifer it was drawn from. But it tasted better to me than, say, Florida ("Flourida?") when I first moved here (though it doesn't have any marks). The best quality tap water I've had from was when I was in the republic of Panama, even though it was drawn from a reservoir above ground (not the one from the canal, though on the same river upstream). It is the second richest country in terms of per capita rainfall (second only to Canada, which wins only because it has lots of rain on land with no people). I believe they flouridate only the water on the U.S. military bases and government holdings, so you can kinda take your pick if you really want. The worst tasting tap water I can recall (because it was such a sudden shock) was from an airport in Amsterdam, in 1980. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Mar 21 10:00:09 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 16:00:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Festival programmes Message-ID: Hello there I am still looking for the following programmes (originals, not b/w photocopies): - 1981 CND Festival (Glastonbury) - 1986 Reading Festival I can swap HAWKWIND tapes/videos or I can pay for these both programmes Thank you Bernhard From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 21 10:10:26 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 15:10:26 GMT Subject: Nik & Darxtar gig - where? Message-ID: The one on 16/12/95 - where exactly was the gig? Cheers FoFP From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Mar 21 11:07:50 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 11:07:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: EUR / USA In-Reply-To: <9603211004.aa14249@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Mar 21, 96 10:04:26 am Message-ID: Jill sayz.... > I've heard say that the cleanest water you will find anywhere in the > world is in New York but that this is primarily because by the time its > been filtered, cleaned, purified, decontaminated and > de-whateverelseified there is absolutely nothing left in it at all. > Actually, I'm guessing that the cleanest water in the world is in Antarctica (as snow/ice, of course). I work at a Polar Research Lab, and I know that it's difficult to detect the particulate levels, as they're so close to the background levels in the deionized Millipore-filtered water. But I think you were really referring to "city" water. > On the other hand I've also heard say that London water has been through > nine people by the time you drink it..... Yummmmm....... Keith H. From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Mar 21 11:51:40 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 11:51:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: EUR / USA Message-ID: The ongoing threads of the water quality mailing list: >Jill sayz.... >Actually, I'm guessing that the cleanest water in the world is in Antarctica >(as snow/ice, of course). I work at a Polar Research Lab, and I know that it's >difficult to detect the particulate levels, as they're so close to the >background levels in the deionized Millipore-filtered water. But I think you >were really referring to "city" water. I thought the (U.S.) navy messed up one area of it real good.... ah, well, it's gotta be clean. Any bacteria get fried by uv holes in the ozone every year, right? Ah, well, we can't all have PERFECT WATER, right? "A little bit of water goes a long way...." ... just trying to drag us back on topic... it seemed easier to use BOC than Hawkwind. I mean, the following has references, but doesn't really seem as relevant: whatever is frozen there comes from THE DYING SEAS. The SEA KING may be upset, but it's interrelated.... Ah, well. If I keep at it, I may be able to even get an arctic tern with "wings wetted down".... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Thu Mar 21 12:53:11 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 11:53:11 -0600 Subject: HW: Covers project; track listing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Mar 1996, Jerry wrote: Jerry, > Sorry to drop in this late about this. Have you heard of British band IQ > (progressive rock)? During their first gigs (1982), they did 'Master of > the Universe'. I have two tapes containing their performance of this song. > Interested? Sounds good to me. Please drop a tape in the mail ASAP to me and Dave at: Dave Berry 48 Lodgefield Welwyn Garden City Herts AL7 1SD UK Allan T. Grohe, Jr. 232y Murphy Dr. #10 Lawrence KS 66046-3959 USA Sound good to you Dave? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Mar 21 13:29:34 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 18:29:34 GMT Subject: HW: Covers project; track listing In-Reply-To: Allan T Grohe Jr's message of Thu, 21 Mar 1996 11:53:11 -0600 Message-ID: Jerry, Can you tell us how long their version is? If we know this we can leave enough space on the tape. > Sound good to you Dave? This will probably replace one of the MuloWind tracks, but they are only a pseudo-cover anyway (because they are ex-Hawks). It's OK with me; is it OK with you, Chuck? Dave. From zsoldos at OGYALLA.KONKOLY.HU Thu Mar 21 13:39:46 1996 From: zsoldos at OGYALLA.KONKOLY.HU (Endre Zsoldos) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 19:39:46 +0100 Subject: astronomy - comet hyakutake - off topic Message-ID: Bryan Irby wrote: >but as an astronomer Are there more astronomers on the list? I AM an astronomer, too, so there are at least two :-))) Cheers, Endre From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Mar 21 14:39:28 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 20:39:28 +0100 Subject: Nik & Darxtar gig - where? Message-ID: >The one on 16/12/95 - where exactly was the gig? Town: Jonkoping - central/south Sweden (easily located on a map at the south point of Lake Vattern, second lake of size in my country) Hall: Eldslandet you've got the Nixtar tape? what do you think about the HW pictures? >Cheers > >FoFP cheers - \\joe From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Mar 21 15:05:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 15:05:00 EST Subject: Off: Nik & Darxtar gig Message-ID: >Town: Jonkoping - central/south Sweden >(easily located on a map at the south point of Lake Vattern, second lake of >size in my country) >Hall: Eldslandet >cheers - \\joe OK, where is the required reference or relation to 7? Sjued, Rudy From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Mar 21 15:45:21 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 15:45:21 -0500 Subject: Off: Nik & Darxtar gig - where? Message-ID: >>The one on 16/12/95 - where exactly was the gig? > >Town: Jonkoping - central/south Sweden >(easily located on a map at the south point of Lake Vattern, second lake of >size in my country) Wow, somewhere I've actually been. I was only 12, but I distinctly remember seeing the lake. Rather large. (V=E4ner would be 1st, right?). I was spending the summer near Kobenhavn, and crossed on a ferry at Helsingor to your country. Can't say I recall too much else (I was reading a book most of the trip), 'cept my dad endlessly commenting how he thought the landscape was similar to that in Minnesota (where we're from originally).... > >Hall: Eldslandet > >you've got the Nixtar tape? >what do you think about the HW pictures? > > >>Cheers >> >>FoFP > >cheers - \\joe > > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had= power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being= accused Chancellor of being corrupted= since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Mar 21 16:06:38 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 22:06:38 +0100 Subject: Off: Nik & Darxtar gig Message-ID: >>Town: Jonkoping - central/south Sweden >>(easily located on a map at the south point of Lake Vattern, second lake of >>size in my country) > >OK, where is the required reference or relation to 7? well, we were seven who actually paid the entrance... >Sjued, >Rudy \\just_kidding\joe From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Mar 21 16:47:44 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 16:47:44 -0500 Subject: Knights Message-ID: > > >>> There is no such thing as success or failure. > >>You obviously have not seen "The Day the Earth Froze", (the SAMPO episode) >>about the finnish legends of Kalevala. > > What's SAMPO? SAMPO! You had to ask. two answers: First, it is a legendary mill in Finnish folklore. Suposedly the Sampo could produce Grain, Salt, and Gold. Second, in the movie mentioned, it was forged by the legendary smith Ilmarinen, as a ransom for the return of his friend Lemenkeinen's love, Anakie (no idea on the spelling of these). She had been kidnapped by Pajola, an evil sorceress who controlled the winds and ruled the trolls in a frozen wasteland. After forging the Sampo, the trolls rejoiced "we'll never slip on our driveways!"... "gee, I thought there'd be more around the gold end of it and less around the salt end of it..."... and sadly Ilmarinen informs Anakie and Lemenkeinen that the Sampo is a one-of- a kind thing, such a thing he cannot forge again. Distraught, Lemenkeinen dives from their boat to steal back the Sampo. "Sampo repair... no... sorry guys, dad says I have to take the Sampo back... no... oh, no, they really like it..." He gets his hands on it and makes it to his boat, but Pajola unleashes the north wind, which sinks his boat. The Sampo is lost, though he keeps a broken piece of it... Meanwhile, his mother is worried about him missing, and goes looking for him. She asks a pine tree if it has seen him, but it rambles and doesn't provide any info. She then asks the road, which rambles even more, moaning about how everyone walks on it, etc, etc, "Now I know what they mean when they say the road goes on forever..." anyways, she finally asks the sun "you should do voiceovers", who informs her that Lemenkeinen is returning. Lemenkeinen returns with his broken piece of the Sampo, and the villiage elders (especially Ilmarinen) are distraught, that something they had to get them through desperate times is now lost. Yet somehow the film turns cheeful, as Lemenkeinen and Anakie are to wed. Throughout the celebration, with dancing, singing, "failure, failure, he is such a failure.. (repeat) "we are all going to die of starvation... starvation" etc.... "I'm so glad this is a dry celebration, much more fun than that kegger last week..." "are you with the bride or the failure?" they don't invite Pajola, "Marty Feldman, in a role that will not surprise you..." who takes offense and steals the sun. Everyone is starving (at one point they find a frozen goose: "I'll be the sampo could have saved it. - 'will you shut up about that sampo!'", cold, wind, etc. Ilmarinen tries to forge a new sun, but fails. Finally, an old villiage elder tells everyone to make a harp and follow him, and they approach Pajola's fortress, and defeat her by playing harp music which calms the trolls. lemenkeinen frees the sun and they live happily ever after. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Mar 21 17:48:29 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 17:48:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: EUR / USA Message-ID: SNIP > >The ongoing threads of the water quality mailing list: > > >Ah, well, we can't all have PERFECT WATER, right? "A little bit of water >goes a long way...." > >... just trying to drag us back on topic... it seemed easier to use BOC than >Hawkwind. I mean, the following has references, but doesn't really seem as >relevant: > >whatever is frozen there comes from THE DYING SEAS. The >SEA KING may be upset, but it's interrelated.... > >Ah, well. If I keep at it, I may be able to even get an arctic tern with >"wings wetted down".... > But watch out for the Baby Ice Dogs, they bite! Duane -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Mar 21 18:13:00 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 18:13:00 EST Subject: HW: Covers project; track listing Message-ID: >Jerry, > >Can you tell us how long their version is? If we know this we can leave >enough space on the tape. > >This will probably replace one of the MuloWind tracks, but they are >only a pseudo-cover anyway (because they are ex-Hawks). > >It's OK with me; is it OK with you, Chuck? > >Dave. No problem with me. I can easily change any of the track listings, and upload new copies to all parties. FYI, I have been trying to upload the latest print jobs to Paul's site, but the 'Net must be moving r - e - a - l slow today, I've only succeeded in getting one file thru successfully. I'll keep trying, and when Paul and I are straight I'll post again. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From stayer at PI.NET Thu Mar 21 22:19:49 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 19:19:49 PST Subject: OFF: Prog Message-ID: >>Now when you say >>*Krautrock* what do you mean? I take it to mean prog bands from Germany >>but Guru Guru are nothing like Tangerine Dream or Amon Duul II or >>Kraftwerk (yuck!). >Not really - it's more defined by a time (early '70s), a place (West >Germany), and an attitude (a pre-punk post-war German self-awareness thing). So it could be musically quite diverse. I think Krautrock has always been a special part of what we call progrock. The first albums by NEKTAR could also be described as Krautrock. It definitely has a more 'rock' feel than Tangerine Dream and the likes. >Now, this might sound dumb, but how does one define "prog"? I work with a magazine devoted to progrock, and even we don't have a definition for it. I like to think of it as the kind of rock, which has some kind of progression in the songs. In Dutch we often call it 'symphonic rock', which is actually another part of the big progrock definition. In English, 'symphonic rock' is often associated with a rock band playing with an orchestra; in Dutch it emphasizes the symphonic structures in songs. Then there's melodic rock. Not very 'symphonic', or 'progressive', but still rock with a leading role for the melodies. Even Journey and Boston (and BOC, yes) could be catagorized under melodic rock, but that is mainly because in Dutch the term AOR isn't that familiar. >I find it one of >those real turn-off words, 'cos it makes me think of _Tales of Topographic >Oceans_, and other reasons why I started getting into Hawkwind in the first >place... What's so bad about that? Jerry From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 22 08:32:13 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 13:32:13 +0000 Subject: HW : I got the re-masters!!!!! Message-ID: I've just this minute been handed a set of all 5 remastered UA LP's. THEY'RE GORGEOUS!!! I'll tell you what they sound like in about 5 hours. Brainstorm, 'ere I go! -- Jon Browne From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Mar 22 08:58:59 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 00:58:59 +1100 Subject: Calling Keith Henderson Message-ID: Keith .... mail seems to be bouncing from your server .... let me know when it's fixed! -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Fri Mar 22 10:12:33 1996 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 10:12:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: Devil Doll Message-ID: They are REALLY unique. A mix of dark rock, chamber music, theatrics, etc. The one album I have, _Eliogabalus_ (with only one track), is really fine, but takes some getting used to because Mr. Doctor has a VERY weird voice (someone once said he sounds like the Crypt Keeper. Not a bad description, but it really doesn't do it justice). But don't let that deter you. The music is very dark and haunting, and breaks out into rock at interesting times as well. They've also done an album called _The Girl Who Was Death_ which is a concept album based on The Prisoner. They sometimes remind me of Universe Zero, but I think they're much more interesting because it's not just "chamber" rock. I'm not a big fan of UZ or chamber rock, yet I REALLY like DD. Sample lyrics: "I dread the great-winged insecta and the cat-headed butterflies above all the fleshy wings of birds trying to clutch me" How can you lose? :-) Highly recommended, nothing like Hawkwind, very weird, but very musical. David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) Why try holding back the wave? You'll only drown in the changes. You've got to learn to let go. Just let go and experience the flight. Try to see from a different side. If balance is the key, maybe we'll see A future understanding. - "My Global Mind" - QUEENSRYCHE From stayer at PI.NET Fri Mar 22 21:09:43 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 18:09:43 PST Subject: HW: Covers project; track listing Message-ID: Hi Dave, >Can you tell us how long their version is? If we know this we can leave >enough space on the tape. I have two versions of IQ doing 'Master of the Universe': Grammar School, Poole, England, 06 March 1981 (performing as The Lens) (5:10) and: Park Hotel, Southampton, England, 24 July 1982 (first performance as IQ) (4:28) The 1982 (4:28) is definitely in better sound quality. Only four and a half minutes, shouldn't be too hard, I guess? I'll copy the tape this weekend for you. I know you have sent me your mail address some messages ago, but could you please send me once again? Thanks, Jerry or From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 22 12:03:46 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 17:03:46 +0000 Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: <9603111331.A14092@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: Well waddaya know! The new track on HAWKWIND was a cover of Pink Floyd's Cymbaline. So far I've checked out DOREMI and MOUNTAIN GRILL. The previously unreleased version of EJECTION was surprisingly enough one I haven't heard before. I'll bet plenty of you have though. The vocals are double tracked. Sound familiar? Doremi will probably bring tears to your eyes, it's so good. I wasn't expecting the re-mastering to make a lot of difference but to my ears it's *astounding*. The synth at the beginning of Psychedelic Warlords just sounded soooo (fumbles for the right word) amazing (fails miserably). The packaging is fantastic - really fantastic. Loads of new pictures, extensive sleeve notes, tour posters etc. I'm really blown away at the work put into a project they know won't sell particularly. My mate, who's a salesman for EMI says they've been ordered in binary (0 or 1) by most shops. His biggest order came from a Mail Order house who ordered 20 of each. Same co. ordered 2,000 Anthology 2 by The Beatles. The upshot of this was they were expensive. Usually I can trade books or comics for my CD's but I had to part vwith a couple of Primo books for these beauties. But I'm really, really pleased. They are worth the extra cash. I'm looking foward to some discussions on these releases -- Jon Browne New Stack. No sig. From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Fri Mar 22 13:52:45 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 13:52:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Remasters Message-ID: Excellent work Jon, thanks for posting this, I know a lot of us are waiting for the info. Hope you don't mind answering some questions ???? > The previously unreleased version of EJECTION was surprisingly enough > one I haven't heard before. I'll bet plenty of you have though. The > vocals are double tracked. Sound familiar? > Hmm well not to me. This is allegedly from the Capn Lockheed sessions ? > Doremi will probably bring tears to your eyes, it's so good. I wasn't > expecting the re-mastering to make a lot of difference but to my ears > it's *astounding*. > > The synth at the beginning of Psychedelic Warlords just sounded soooo > (fumbles for the right word) amazing (fails miserably). > New Stack. No sig. > So lets be sure what you're comparing with here, you're saying that Mountain Grill and DoReMI are both significantly better (sound quality wise) than the previous CD (and vinyl ?) versions. This does almost seem to much to hope for, but pray god its true ??? Care to comment how much (eg crystal clear ? somewhat less murky ? didn't sound like it was recorded at the bottom of a swamp ???) Cheers, Steve L. From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Mar 22 13:54:50 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 13:54:50 EST Subject: HW: Remasters Message-ID: I'm drooling all over my keyboard... 8^> As soon as people start spotting places to buy these, I'd like to hear about it (US mail order, that is). It would also be good to be able to compare prices from the different places that WILL be carrying these. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 22 13:33:53 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 18:33:53 +0000 Subject: HW: Covers project; track listing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I have two versions of IQ doing 'Master of the Universe': But have you a copy of Panixsphere's version.. "it's all moving relative to me... or is it just lager. And egg curry? I am the Master Of The Universe, so why don't you buy me a drink?" etc. etc in similar "humourous" vein ;> -- Jon Browne From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Mar 22 15:18:12 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 15:18:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Mar 22, 96 05:03:46 pm Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > > Well waddaya know! The new track on HAWKWIND was a cover of Pink Floyd's > Cymbaline. > > So far I've checked out DOREMI and MOUNTAIN GRILL. > > The previously unreleased version of EJECTION was surprisingly enough > one I haven't heard before. I'll bet plenty of you have though. The > vocals are double tracked. Sound familiar? > > Doremi will probably bring tears to your eyes, it's so good. I wasn't > expecting the re-mastering to make a lot of difference but to my ears > it's *astounding*. > > The synth at the beginning of Psychedelic Warlords just sounded soooo > (fumbles for the right word) amazing (fails miserably). Ok, I'm sold. Who knows of a mail order house (preferably one that can be reached online) that is carrying these? Steve From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 22 13:27:16 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 18:27:16 +0000 Subject: HW : Space Ritual Remastered Message-ID: WWWWWWOOOWWWWWW!!!!!! Tie me up, mama, I'm in Hawk Heaven!! Well, I'm now a gibbering mess! Could Space Ritual, a live set, be improved, we chin-strokingly ask ourselves? I'm stunned. I feel like I did 17 years ago, when I heard this album for the first time. The answer's yes by the way. I'll try to be a little more analytical and gush a little less tomorrow. Now I must bang my head. WWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! -- Jon Browne From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 22 16:00:22 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 16:00:22 -0500 Subject: BOC: Anyone participate in the last chat? Message-ID: If anyone out there on AOL participated in the last BOC chat: Is there any news? John From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Fri Mar 22 15:49:46 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 14:49:46 CST Subject: HW : Space Ritual Remastered Message-ID: >Tie me up, mama, I'm in Hawk Heaven!! > >Well, I'm now a gibbering mess! > >Could Space Ritual, a live set, be improved, we chin-strokingly ask >ourselves? > >I'm stunned. > >I feel like I did 17 years ago, when I heard this album for the first >time. Forget where to buy'em, I'm booking my plane NOW. See ya in 10 hours Jon! Doug (what can I do for some quick cash?) From Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Fri Mar 22 16:03:54 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 16:03:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Remasters Message-ID: > The synth at the beginning of Psychedelic Warlords just sounded soooo > (fumbles for the right word) amazing (fails miserably). >Ok, I'm sold. Who knows of a mail order house (preferably one that >can be reached online) that is carrying these? I highly recommend Worldwide CD in Chicago. Very reliable and the operators are knowledgeable. Their number is 312-665-0030. >Steve ---------- From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Mar 22 16:41:50 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 22:41:50 +0100 Subject: HW : Space Ritual Remastered Message-ID: >Forget where to buy'em, I'm booking my plane NOW. See ya in 10 hours Jon! > >Doug (what can I do for some quick cash?) do you have a Hawkfan 12? \\joe ;0) From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Mar 22 16:41:49 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 22:41:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Remasters Message-ID: >Well waddaya know! The new track on HAWKWIND was a cover of Pink Floyd's >Cymbaline. cool! >The previously unreleased version of EJECTION was surprisingly enough >one I haven't heard before. I'll bet plenty of you have though. The >vocals are double tracked. Sound familiar? what about the other extras? >The packaging is fantastic - really fantastic. Loads of new pictures, >extensive sleeve notes, tour posters etc. I'm really blown away at the >work put into a project they know won't sell particularly. My mate, >who's a salesman for EMI says they've been ordered in binary (0 or 1) by >most shops. His biggest order came from a Mail Order house who ordered >20 of each. Same co. ordered 2,000 Anthology 2 by The Beatles. have the original front cover been used, or has it been changed in any way? is it some preview copies you've got from your mate, or is it actually out? >The upshot of this was they were expensive. Usually I can trade books or >comics for my CD's but I had to part vwith a couple of Primo books for >these beauties. But I'm really, really pleased. They are worth the extra >cash. price? >I'm looking foward to some discussions on these releases > >Jon Browne looking down in my purse and sigh - \\joe From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Mar 22 18:08:39 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 18:08:39 -0500 Subject: HW: Remasters Message-ID: > > I'm drooling all over my keyboard... 8^> > > > As soon as people start spotting places to buy these, I'd like to > hear about it (US mail order, that is). It would also be good to > be able to compare prices from the different places that WILL be > carrying these. > > Captain Cloud > cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com > > Has anyone heard about any dates for US release of any of these? Duane -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Mar 22 20:33:43 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 20:33:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: <199603222018.PAA17696@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Mar 1996, Stephen Swann wrote: > Jon Browne writes: [Tantalising glimpses of HW remasters deleted...] > Ok, I'm sold. Who knows of a mail order house (preferably one that > can be reached online) that is carrying these? To hell with US mail order sources. Gimme the UK catalogue numbers so I can get someone to ship 'em over to me!!!! ;-) Cheers, Paul "glad he doesn't have any of these ['cept _Hawkwind_] on CD already" Mather. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sat Mar 23 02:18:22 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 01:18:22 -0600 Subject: HW: Covers project; track listing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Mar 1996, Jerry wrote: Hi Jerry, > >Can you tell us how long their version is? If we know this we can leave > >enough space on the tape. > > I have two versions of IQ doing 'Master of the Universe': > > Grammar School, Poole, England, 06 March 1981 > (performing as The Lens) (5:10) > > and: > Park Hotel, Southampton, England, 24 July 1982 > (first performance as IQ) (4:28) > > The 1982 (4:28) is definitely in better sound quality. Only four and a > half minutes, shouldn't be too hard, I guess? It shouldn't be, right Dave? > I'll copy the tape this weekend for you. I know you have sent me your mail > address some messages ago, but could you please send me once again? Send one copy of any contributions to Dave and I at: Dave Berry 48 Lodgefield Welwyn Garden City Herts AL7 1SD UK Allan T. Grohe, Jr. 232y Murphy Dr. #10 Lawrence KS 66046-3959 USA Thanks Jerry! Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Mar 23 02:55:48 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 02:55:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Anybody know these bands Message-ID: On 19-MAR-1996 10:18:43.7 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >>Now when you say >>*Krautrock* what do you mean? I take it to mean prog bands from Germany >>but Guru Guru are nothing like Tangerine Dream or Amon Duul II or >>Kraftwerk (yuck!). >Not really - it's more defined by a time (early '70s), a place (West >Germany), and an attitude (a pre-punk post-war German self-awareness >thing). So it could be musically quite diverse. Guru Guru's Uli >Trepte also played with Neu! and Faust, which suggests they really >were part of the "echte Krautrockszene". >Now, this might sound dumb, but how does one define "prog"? I find it >one of >those real turn-off words, 'cos it makes me think of _Tales of >Topographic Oceans_, and other reasons why I started getting into >Hawkwind in the first place... I'm wondering the same thing. Around here, most people at music stores and the radio stations lump HW in with prog. Then I compare something like, say, "Valium 10" with, oh, say...any ELP song and I think "NO, you have the wrong idea!" I guess they haven't actually heard HW, to put them in such a category (but, of course, they could have heard something like Levitation...) or assume they're prog by the appearance of their records/CDs. All I can say is that it sucks to be a Hawkfan in the US -- no one seems to have even heard of 'em... Chuck `[1;32;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 23 04:03:22 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 09:03:22 +0000 Subject: HW : Space Ritual Remastered In-Reply-To: <9603222141.AC22779@sonor.eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: >>Forget where to buy'em, I'm booking my plane NOW. See ya in 10 hours Jon! >> >>Doug (what can I do for some quick cash?) Better make it Monday, there not *actually* released till then. Erm...don't mention I had 'em early, will you? ;> -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 23 07:58:50 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 12:58:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: <199603221852.NAA28134@dogberry> Message-ID: In message <199603221852.NAA28134 at dogberry>, Stephen Lindsey writes > >Hope you don't mind answering some questions ???? > >> The previously unreleased version of EJECTION was surprisingly enough >> one I haven't heard before. I'll bet plenty of you have though. The >> vocals are double tracked. Sound familiar? > >Hmm well not to me. This is allegedly from the Capn Lockheed sessions ? It doesn't say but it's produced by Roy Baker as was Cap Lockheed, so it's looks probable. >So lets be sure what you're comparing with here, you're saying that >Mountain Grill and DoReMI are both significantly better (sound quality wise) >than the previous CD (and vinyl ?) versions. This does almost >seem to much to hope for, but pray god its true ??? Care to comment >how much (eg crystal clear ? somewhat less murky ? didn't sound like >it was recorded at the bottom of a swamp ???) > >Cheers, >Steve L. Don't know about the previous CD release of DoReMi, haven't ever found one but Mountain Grill is certainly more than somewhat less murky and getting on for crystal clear *_IMO_ * I've always been disappointed with the production on Mountain Grill, when there's clearly some terrific songs on the album. This has to be seen as a major improvement. Anything would be an improvement on my vinyl copies. Hard to be conclusive here. Ultimately, I don't think I'd have made a sound engineer. I'm more often than not, happy with things that other people have pointed out as improvable in one way or the other. But these certainly sound great to me. The Calvert stuff like The Awakening sounds all breath-y to me. I'm sure I didn't notice that before. I don't think this Space Ritual could be described as "space sludge" either. All the albums sound brighter, clearer and more dynamic to me, but if you're in any doubt I'm sure the list will be full of comment before too long. BTW I've seen prices as low as UKP8.99 for the four and UKP20 for Space Rit. so it doesn't look too pricey after all. I was expecting UKP14.99 and anything up to UKP29.99 for SR Only one minor gripe. The two trays on SR are connected by a piece of card which tore slightly while I knocked it on the floor, when flailing my head about wildly. I think i'm going to get a few empty jewel cases and put the discs in there, whilst keeping the lovely packs at home safely. ;) -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 23 08:15:23 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 13:15:23 +0000 Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: <9603222141.AB22779@sonor.eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: In message <9603222141.AB22779 at sonor.eka.ericsson.se>, Johan Edlundh writes >what about the other extras? HAWKWIND 1) Bring It On Home ~ Blues Thang I've not heard before 2) Hurry On Sundown ~ diff version 3) Kiss Of The Velvet Whip 4) Cymbaline ISOS 1) 7 x 7 Orig. Single Version 2) Silver Machine Orig. Single Version 3) Born To Go ~ Live Single Version Edit. SR Gap between Electronic #1 and Orgone edited properly 1) Shouldn't do That 2) Master Of The Universe ~ Not sure yet, more later 3) Born to Go ~ Not sure yet, more later DFL 1) Urban Guerilla 2) Brainbox Pollution 3) Lord Of Light ~ (single version edit) 4) Ejection ~ previously unreleased version (And I believe them!) HotMG 1) You better Believe It (single version edit) 2) Psychedelic Warlords (single version) 3) Paradox (single remix) 4) It's So Easy Bear In mind that although you'll have most of these bonus tracks, they have also been remastered and sound great. (esp. Brainbox and It's So Easy) I've _really_ got to do some work now, i've just been HAWKED OUT for the last two days..... See ya, -- Jon Browne From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Mar 23 08:32:30 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 14:32:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Live in Germay Message-ID: Hi there Just phoned the organisator of the BURG HERZFELD festival in Germany. He told me that HAWKWIND confirmed their appearance on this festival. They will play on 20.07.1996 (Saturday) at 23.00h. Tickets cost (for all 3 days only) 42 DM Bernhard From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 23 12:45:06 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 17:45:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Anybody know these bands In-Reply-To: <01I2NV5K105495QXJ1@delphi.com> Message-ID: In message <01I2NV5K105495QXJ1 at delphi.com>, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes >All I can say is that it sucks to be a Hawkfan in the US -- no >one seems to have even heard of 'em... > Better they've never heard of them than thinking they know all about the band 'coz they've heard Silver Machine. I mean, 100 albums and all they ever play on the radio is bloody Silver Machine. I get the piss taken all the time cos I like the Hawks'. I don't care. They know nothing about music by and large. I like a great deal of modern music - indie, grunge, dance, house, techno, hip-hop, punk, drum and bass, jungle etc. and I think the Hawks can be compared favorably with *anything*. Yet I get told by people who like The Beautiful South or even something *really* modern like Alanis Morrisette (erm) Hawkwind are this crap old band from years and years ago who only ever released one record....which was crap. As someone else said recently, Carl I think..In the UK it's more like "Yeah I like Hawkwind. Wanna make something of it?" ;-> -- Jon Browne From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sat Mar 23 15:28:50 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 15:28:50 -0500 Subject: HW: how about a brawl!! Message-ID: Chuck said: > A general consensus of all of >Calvert's solo stuff would be cool, though -- Maybe a solo-poll is in order >indeed. Consensus? About anything HW related? You're kidding! :)) I'd have to say that while _Capt Lockheed_ is probably Calvert's best solo album, the one I play most is _Hype_. It shows his wordplay at its best, is all music, and has an excellent band featuring members of Bethnal, Pete Pavli on cello (there's no bassist as such), "Judge" Trev Thoms from ICU, and even Nik and Mike M making guest appearances. Fave tracks: "It's the Same", "Ambitious", "Flight 105" - but they're all good, there's not a duff track on the album. - Andy From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sat Mar 23 16:56:44 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 15:56:44 -0600 Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Mar 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > BTW I've seen prices as low as UKP8.99 for the four and UKP20 for Space > Rit. so it doesn't look too pricey after all. I was expecting UKP14.99 > and anything up to UKP29.99 for SR OK, so UKP8.99 = $? and UKP20 = $? ...and shipping and handling would bring about a total of $? for each one? (unless it's just not that simple...) I'm assuming that getting it directly mailed from someone buying it at that discount will ultimately be less than if I get it from, say, CDNow. Thanks. Damon Capehart | "Ladies and gentlemen, Ronco brings you the dcapehar at utdallas.edu | home cloning kit, a complete do it yourself kit The Society of Physics | for personal cloning. Buy one today and be the Students at UTD | first on your block to be second!" From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Sat Mar 23 17:38:56 1996 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 13:38:56 -0900 Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Mar 1996, Le Monsieur Damon wrote: > OK, so UKP8.99 = $? > and UKP20 = $? UKP 8.99 = US$ 15.00 UKP 20.00 = US$ 32.00 Darn VAT... -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Mar 24 04:17:43 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 09:17:43 +0000 Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Le Monsieur Damon writes >OK, so UKP8.99 = $? > and UKP20 = $? >...and shipping and handling would bring about a total of $? for each >one? (unless it's just not that simple...) I'm assuming that getting it >directly mailed from someone buying it at that discount will ultimately >be less than if I get it from, say, CDNow. 1 UKP = $1.54 last time I checked. Rarely changes more than a couple of cents in either direction. Surely, SURELY there must be a Mail Order outfit Stateside than can get these for you? If not I'll post a UK address but natch they'll be cheaper to ship from a US address. > >Thanks. > >Damon Capehart -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Mar 24 04:26:37 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 09:26:37 +0000 Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Paul Mather writes >To hell with US mail order sources. Gimme the UK catalogue numbers so I >can get someone to ship 'em over to me!!!! ;-) >Cheers, > >Paul Mather. HW = HAWKS 1 ISOS =HAWKS 2 DFL = HAWKS 3 SR = HAWKS 4 HotMG = HAWKS 5 Neat, eh? -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Mar 24 04:19:52 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 09:19:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , William Fuller writes >On Sat, 23 Mar 1996, Le Monsieur Damon wrote: > >> OK, so UKP8.99 = $? >> and UKP20 = $? > > UKP 8.99 = US$ 15.00 > UKP 20.00 = US$ 32.00 > >Darn VAT... > >-- >William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu Oh yeah, I forgot. The 8.99 would inc. a 17.5 % UK sales tax which US customers can deduct. You lucky dogs. ;) -- Jon Browne From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Mar 24 05:56:59 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:56:59 +1100 Subject: HW: Remasters Message-ID: On 22 Mar 96 Jon Browne wrote about HW: Remasters: > Doremi will probably bring tears to your eyes, it's so good. I wasn't > expecting the re-mastering to make a lot of difference but to my ears > it's *astounding*. I can't imagine Doremi *without* all the clicks, pops and other noises .. it just couldn't be the same ;^) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Mar 24 06:07:49 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 22:07:49 +1100 Subject: HW: Remasters Message-ID: On 22 Mar 96 Paul Mather wrote about Re: HW: Remasters: > > Ok, I'm sold. Who knows of a mail order house (preferably one that > > can be reached online) that is carrying these? > > To hell with US mail order sources. Gimme the UK catalogue numbers so I > can get someone to ship 'em over to me!!!! ;-) There's been some follow on discussions to this about the price in the UK for these, and it seems significantly cheaper than direct from Hawkdisc, but if all else fails, full ordering details are on http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/HAWKDISC Paul (currently sobbing baout his current finacial woes ....) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From stayer at PI.NET Fri Mar 22 21:53:26 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 18:53:26 PST Subject: OFF: Devil Doll Message-ID: I'm one of the editors of Background Magazine, a mag on progressive rock. In our previous issue, our Spanish writer wrote an article about Devil Doll. I haven't heard any music by DD yet, but I /am/ interested. Some snippets from his article: ===================================================================== Italian / Yugoslavian band CDs: 1 The Girl Who Was Dead (66 Mins, Hurdy Gurdy Records, 1989) 2 Devil Doll (aka Eliogabalus) (46 Mins, Hurdy Gurdy Records, 1990) 3 The Sacrilege of Fatal Arms (59 Mins, Hurdy Gurdy Records, 1992) Devil Doll Fan Club San Marco 5499 30124 Venice Italy ===================================================================== Jerry From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Mar 24 12:45:22 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 18:45:22 +0100 Subject: Totally OFF: Comet and Dream Message-ID: Hi, Saturday night I had a sauna session with some friends, and was (almost) naked out in the snow and the chilly night. We saw the comet in the starlight sky, no problem to see it with bare, but slightly dizzy eyes. It was a mighty feeling, but the winter become mightier - and we returned inside to the hot sauna. Later at night I dreamt I found the Hawkfan 12 vinyl, and I traded it for almost nothing. I didn't know Hawkfan 12 was a pic disc. Weird. Thanks for listening. \\Headache Joe oh yeah - the (almost) above should only be read in the U.S, due to the Bill Clinton Censorship Speech. (almost) can be removed in the rest of the world. From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sun Mar 24 20:03:49 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 01:03:49 GMT Subject: Totally OFF: Comet and Dream In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Sun, 24 Mar 1996 18:45:22 +0100 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > Hi, > Saturday night I had a sauna session with some friends, and was (almost) > naked out in the snow and the chilly night. We saw the comet in the > starlight sky, no problem to see it with bare, but slightly dizzy eyes. It > was a mighty feeling, but the winter become mightier - and we returned > inside to the hot sauna. > > Later at night I dreamt I found the Hawkfan 12 vinyl, and I traded it for > almost nothing. I didn't know Hawkfan 12 was a pic disc. Weird. > Really??! Dunno what was in your sauna but watching this comet must surely make you see strange things (sort of the reverse of Day of the Triffids I guess...). Well, given that the wind is still from the east then the fact that you've got clear skies is GOOD news - so when does this grey gunk finally clear away from the UK..... Please! Sadly the only pic on Hawkfan 12 is a somewhat crude blue-pen drawing on the virulent yellow sleeve of the album itself - although the warrior in armour drawing on the back is rather better artistically. But warning - don't pay large sums of money just for the album - the whole thing should come as a package together with lyrics insert, a poster in the form of a year calendar and a white plastic bag with a Hawkwind logo to keep everything in. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sun Mar 24 20:18:33 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 01:18:33 GMT Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: Le Monsieur Damon's message of Sat, 23 Mar 1996 15:56:44 -0600 Message-ID: Le Monsieur Damon writes: > On Sat, 23 Mar 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > > BTW I've seen prices as low as UKP8.99 for the four and UKP20 for Space > > Rit. so it doesn't look too pricey after all. I was expecting UKP14.99 > > and anything up to UKP29.99 for SR > 8.99 ??? Jeez - if you can find these at that price then I recommend eating them for breakfast! Gawd - even Andy G's cheap-rate-for-early- ordering was at minimum 12.50 for the single CDs. If somebody is offering them that cheap then either they've been raiding a warehouse or the Hawkwind sale of the century has started early and the Year of Comet has indeed arrived. It's possible that the 8.99 price does NOT include VAT which would probably bring it closer to what I'd expect - still - this is good value if you can get hold of it. jill PS sparevinyl after a London hunt: Porcupine Tree - Sky Moves Sideways: 12" blue vinyl album + poster Hawkwind - Quark Strangeness & Charm 12" EP remixes Hawkwind - Sonic Assassins 12" EP (live at Queen's Hall Barnstaple 1977) Hawkwind - Live at Watchfield and Stonehenge Festivals 1976 12" album obhateLondon> it was raining 8-( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Mar 25 15:08:01 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 15:08:01 EST Subject: HW: Festival programmes In-Reply-To: <199603211500.QAA23348@exit.ruhr.de>; from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Mar 22, 96 04:00:09 pm Message-ID: HI Bernhard > > Hello there > > I am still looking for the following programmes > (originals, not b/w photocopies): > > - 1981 CND Festival (Glastonbury) I have one of these lying around somewhere ,i'll confirm tomorrow. > - 1986 Reading Festival > > > I can swap HAWKWIND tapes/videos or I can pay for these both programmes > > Thank you > > Bernhard > regards Marty From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Mon Mar 25 03:56:46 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 03:56:46 EST Subject: HW: UK Price Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 25/03/96 08.56 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Hi all, Lots of excellent encouraging comments concerning the HW CD re-issues. What I really want to know at this stage is:- Details of the cheapest UK prices available please. L8.99 sounds too good to be true. Name, address & phone no.? Cheers, Jez. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 25 04:28:32 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:28:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: <9603250118.aa27977@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: In message <9603250118.aa27977 at uk.ac.ed.castle>, J Strobridge writes >8.99 ??? Jeez - if you can find these at that price then I recommend >eating them for breakfast! Gawd - even Andy G's cheap-rate-for-early- >ordering was at minimum 12.50 for the single CDs. If somebody is >offering them that cheap then either they've been raiding a warehouse or >the Hawkwind sale of the century has started early and the Year of Comet >has indeed arrived. It's possible that the 8.99 price does NOT >include VAT which would probably bring it closer to what I'd expect - >still - this is good value if you can get hold of it. > >jill > >PS sparevinyl after a London hunt: > >Porcupine Tree - Sky Moves Sideways: 12" blue vinyl album + poster >Hawkwind - Quark Strangeness & Charm 12" EP remixes >Hawkwind - Sonic Assassins 12" EP (live at Queen's Hall Barnstaple 1977) >Hawkwind - Live at Watchfield and Stonehenge Festivals 1976 12" album Well if it's *that* good a deal I should post the address : Key Mail Order 2 Cheam Rd. Sutton Surrey SM1 1SR (UK) 0181-770-0900 The ad's in the NME. I've never done any business with these guys BTW but I've seen their ads around for ages. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 25 04:36:46 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:36:46 +0000 Subject: Totally OFF: Comet and Dream In-Reply-To: <9603250103.aa27342@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: In message <9603250103.aa27342 at uk.ac.ed.castle>, J Strobridge writes >the whole thing >should come as a package together with lyrics insert, a poster in the >form of a year calendar and a white plastic bag with a Hawkwind logo to >keep everything in. I'd settle for just the album... -- Jon Browne From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 25 06:02:28 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:02:28 GMT Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Fri, 22 Mar 1996 15:18:12 -0500 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > Jon Browne writes: [ The EMI package of Remasters of The Universe...] > Ok, I'm sold. Who knows of a mail order house (preferably one that > can be reached online) that is carrying these? C&D in Dundee are carrying 'em. I don't think they have online presence yet but their phone number is: UK 01382 776595 Dpon't forget to ask for Andy Garibaldi if you want informed Hawkwind chat, and do mention my name as your info source since that ensures I keep getting free record lists from 'em... > Steve Cheers FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 25 06:10:17 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:10:17 GMT Subject: Totally OFF: Comet and Dream In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Sun, 24 Mar 1996 18:45:22 +0100 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > Hi, > Saturday night I had a sauna session with some friends, and was (almost) > naked out in the snow and the chilly night. We saw the comet in the > starlight sky, no problem to see it with bare, but slightly dizzy eyes. It > was a mighty feeling, but the winter become mightier - and we returned > inside to the hot sauna. I managed to see the comet about halfway between the Plough and Arcturus on early Sunday morning. Lotsa skyglow so it didn't look like much except a fuzzier and dimmer version of Venus but a tail was clearly visible with low power binoculars. I gotta try to see it from somewhere darker though. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 25 06:12:31 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:12:31 GMT Subject: Timeless Paens From the Ongoing Rituals of Space In-Reply-To: Assassin Sonique's message of Sat, 9 Mar 1996 01:52:05 +1100 Message-ID: Assassin Sonique writes: > On 7 Mar 96 Johan Edlundh wrote about Timeless Paens From the > Ongoing Rit: Can someone (Bernhard?) confirm dates for the Timeless Paens CD and how it fits in to timings of other albums and boots so that we can get the entries correct in the Codex? Cheers FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 25 05:59:31 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:59:31 GMT Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Fri, 22 Mar 1996 15:18:12 -0500 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > Jon Browne writes: > > > > Well waddaya know! The new track on HAWKWIND was a cover of Pink Floyd's > > Cymbaline. > > > > So far I've checked out DOREMI and MOUNTAIN GRILL. > > > > The previously unreleased version of EJECTION was surprisingly enough > > one I haven't heard before. I'll bet plenty of you have though. The > > vocals are double tracked. Sound familiar? > > > > Doremi will probably bring tears to your eyes, it's so good. I wasn't > > expecting the re-mastering to make a lot of difference but to my ears > > it's *astounding*. > > > > The synth at the beginning of Psychedelic Warlords just sounded soooo > > (fumbles for the right word) amazing (fails miserably). > > Ok, I'm sold. Who knows of a mail order house (preferably one that > can be reached online) that is carrying these? Go my package this morning. Too late to give 'em a spin but the packaging is pretty awesome. There's even a glossy booklet copy of the Hawkwind Log in the Xin pack. All the others have really fancy foldout designs with copies of the inner sleeves, old ticket stubs, old photos of the band etc. Beautiful. > Steve FoFP From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Mar 25 06:58:49 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:58:49 +0000 Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 22 Mar 1996 20:33:43 EST." Message-ID: > On Fri, 22 Mar 1996, Stephen Swann wrote: > > > Ok, I'm sold. Who knows of a mail order house (preferably one that > > can be reached online) that is carrying these? Looks like CDnow might be carrying a couple of them. One entry has "Hawkwind + 4 extra tracks". $27 though :-/ As for the UK, anyone know if the generally excellent Pastel Blue site is ever going to open again ?? Tim From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Mar 25 07:55:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:55:00 EST Subject: HW : Remastered Quest Message-ID: >> where to buy'em, I'm booking my plane NOW. See ya in 10 hours Jon! >> >>Doug (what can I do for some quick cash?) >Better make it Monday, there not *actually* released till then. >Erm...don't mention I had 'em early, will you? ;> -- >Jon Browne There you go, Doug. Silence is golden so you should get some good coin for keeping silent on this one. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Rudy From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Mar 25 08:07:21 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 00:07:21 +1100 Subject: Spare Vinyl Message-ID: > PS sparevinyl after a London hunt: > > Hawkwind - Sonic Assassins 12" EP (live at Queen's Hall Barnstaple 1977) > Hawkwind - Live at Watchfield and Stonehenge Festivals 1976 12" album Ooh! Ooh! I'll have 'em if they are still going! Quality & price/trade ? > obhateLondon> it was raining 8-( obLoveMelbourne> A mid-Autumn 32 deg today! -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Mar 25 08:29:03 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 08:29:03 -0500 Subject: HW: Remasters Message-ID: Best price I found today was 13.49 in Selectadisc (19.99 for SR) - Tower wanted 14.99 and HMV 15.49! Anyway, even at 13.49 I decided to just buy one to see what it's like before replacing the set. So I got _Doremi_. Basically, I'm going to replace the set! Whoa! First, the packaging is truly excellent - fold-outs every which way, lots of text and art, even the CD itself has a detail rom the Star Rats poster. Now, I'm a cynical bastard who doesn't normally give a rat's ass about packaging, and I was impressed - some list members will acutually acheive orgasm! But the really important thing is, what's it sound like? Well, you know how _Doremi_ always sounded like it was recorded underwater and mixed in a bucket of sand? No more! This is so cool! - Andy ObCD: _Doremi_, of course! :) From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Mar 25 08:49:12 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 14:49:12 +0100 Subject: Spare Vinyl Message-ID: At 00:07 1996-03-26 +1100, you wrote: >> PS sparevinyl after a London hunt: >> >> Hawkwind - Live at Watchfield and Stonehenge Festivals 1976 12" album This must be the boot of that Weird tape, isn't it? This is two versions of the cover of this one - one is pure black "bootleg cover", and one has the silhouette of Stonehenge in grey. Which one is this? (I got the pure black) >> obhateLondon> it was raining 8-( > >obLoveMelbourne> A mid-Autumn 32 deg today! obSpringTime/Stockholm> the snow is melting rapidly, +7 in the shadows From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Mar 25 09:02:37 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:02:37 -0500 Subject: Spare Vinyl Message-ID: In a message dated 25/03/96 13:50:27, you write: >>> Hawkwind - Live at Watchfield and Stonehenge Festivals 1976 12" album > >This must be the boot of that Weird tape, isn't it? >This is two versions of the cover of this one - one is pure black "bootleg >cover", and one has the silhouette of Stonehenge in grey. >Which one is this? (I got the pure black) Oh! My copy's got a brown cover, with a picture of "Hawkwind roadies erecting scenery"! Is that rare or something? - Andy From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Mar 25 09:18:00 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 15:18:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Watchfield/Stonehenge Cover Message-ID: >>>> Hawkwind - Live at Watchfield and Stonehenge Festivals 1976 12" album >> >>This must be the boot of that Weird tape, isn't it? >>This is two versions of the cover of this one - one is pure black "bootleg >>cover", and one has the silhouette of Stonehenge in grey. >>Which one is this? (I got the pure black) > >Oh! My copy's got a brown cover, with a picture of "Hawkwind roadies >erecting scenery"! Is that rare or something? ^^^^^^^^ ???? (Where's Bill Clinton?) About the Watchfield/Stonehenge covers, which type does you others have? Which is supposed to be the "Main" cover? I haven't seen the silhouette one myself, but heard it from a reliable source. >- Andy \\joe From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 25 09:36:24 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:36:24 -0500 Subject: BOC: Morning Final #13, BOC FAQ Rev. 2.1 Message-ID: Well, after asking last week if there was any new BOC news, I get home to find Morning Final #13 in my mailbox. It includes the following: 1. Some news (probably nothing most of us don't already know). 2. Info on t-shirts currently available 3. Bolle's interview with Danny Miranda, BOC's current bassplayer 4. Review of BOC's performance last New Year's Eve in California 5. Bolle's thoughts and criticisms of *WOTT* 6. The conclusion of the Les Braunstein interview Also enclosed is a note from Melne regarding how to offer the MF back issues. I'd ask those of you who read MF to please (if not for your sake, for my own) write (or e-mail to bocfanclub at aol.com) and ask that they definitely be offered somehow - either by re-printing, or by compiling issues 1-10 into a single volume. I'd really like to get copies of these some day for my "BOC Collection". Also, now that MF 13, I have no more excuses regarding releasing the next revision of the FAQ. It's not radically different from the last version (hence me calling it "rev. 2.1" rather than 3.0), but it is a bit better organized in some sections, and of course has more updated information than the last rev. Rather than take up bandwidth here, since most of you can get it on the web or in the archive, I will distribute it that way - but if that doesn't work for some of you, just ask and I'll e-mail you a copy. I'll announce when the new version of the FAQ is available (probably by the end of the week). "Good Health To You", John From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Mar 25 11:00:37 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 17:00:37 +0100 Subject: Timeless Paens From the Ongoing Rituals of Space Message-ID: At 11:12 1996-03-25 GMT, you wrote: >Assassin Sonique writes: > >> On 7 Mar 96 Johan Edlundh wrote about Timeless Paens From the >> Ongoing Rit: > >Can someone (Bernhard?) confirm dates for the Timeless Paens CD and how >it fits in to timings of other albums and boots so that we can get the >entries correct in the Codex? without being an expert in this particular area - I think none of those versions have been released on vinyl or CD before. someone else? >Cheers > >FoFP \\joe From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 25 11:58:49 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 16:58:49 GMT Subject: Spare Vinyl In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:02:37 -0500 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > In a message dated 25/03/96 13:50:27, you write: > > >>> Hawkwind - Live at Watchfield and Stonehenge Festivals 1976 12" album > > > >This must be the boot of that Weird tape, isn't it? > >This is two versions of the cover of this one - one is pure black "bootleg > >cover", and one has the silhouette of Stonehenge in grey. > >Which one is this? (I got the pure black) > > Oh! My copy's got a brown cover, with a picture of "Hawkwind roadies > erecting scenery"! Is that rare or something? I don't think so. I have one of those and I've seen two others. However, I've heard that there's a copy of this called "Hawkwind: Live And Kicking" > - Andy FoFP From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Mar 25 12:08:23 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:08:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Totally OFF: Comet and Dream In-Reply-To: <9603251110.aa25513@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Mar 1996, M Holmes wrote: > I managed to see the comet about halfway between the Plough and Arcturus > on early Sunday morning. Lotsa skyglow so it didn't look like much > except a fuzzier and dimmer version of Venus but a tail was clearly > visible with low power binoculars. I gotta try to see it from somewhere > darker though. It's definitely worth it. Yesterday evening the Virginia Tech Astronomy Scoiety set up a bunch of telescopes on the edge of Blacksburg and invited the public to view the comet. The event was surprisingly well attended. Despite some light pollution, the site was well chosen, and both the comet---and its tail---were visible to the naked eye (and in more detail through the telescopes). Although it sounds odd, the tail made a more distinct impression when viewed in peripheral vision. Afterwards, a friend and I drove out of Blacksburg, down by McCoy near the New River. The light pollution in this rural area is very minimal, and vastly more stars were visible to the naked eye. Naturally, the view of the comet was even better, and its long tail much more distinct. Apparently, yesterday night had the comet at its closest approach. From now on, it's heading away from Earth. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Mar 25 12:22:23 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:22:23 EST Subject: HW: Anybody seen SPACEDAZE 2000? Message-ID: Wasn't Cleopatra supposed to release another 2-CD comp of Space Rock artists (including HW, DarXtar, others I don't recall) a week or so ago? Has anybody seen this title, and might want to comment on it? I enjoyed Cleo's first "Space Daze" 2-CD and the book that came with it. I'm hoping that the new comp will be another low-priced gem. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 25 09:07:28 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 14:07:28 +0000 Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: <960325082903_177160956@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In message <960325082903_177160956 at emout04.mail.aol.com>, Andy Gilham writes >But the really important thing is, what's it sound like? Well, you know how >_Doremi_ always sounded like it was recorded underwater and mixed in a bucket >of sand? No more! This is so cool! Amazing, arn't they? :))))))))) -- Jon Browne Feelin justified after gushing all weekend! From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 25 13:28:18 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:28:18 GMT Subject: Spare Vinyl In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:02:37 -0500 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > In a message dated 25/03/96 13:50:27, you write: > > >>> Hawkwind - Live at Watchfield and Stonehenge Festivals 1976 12" album > > > >This must be the boot of that Weird tape, isn't it? yep > >This is two versions of the cover of this one - one is pure black "bootleg > >cover", and one has the silhouette of Stonehenge in grey. > >Which one is this? (I got the pure black) > neither! These two I've never heard of nor seen. More recursive bootlegging perhaps? > Oh! My copy's got a brown cover, with a picture of "Hawkwind roadies > erecting scenery"! Is that rare or something? > Yep this is the copy I've got (both my own and this spare version). Most entertaining, if somewhat irritating to an archaeologist mindset since they've got all these bronze-age folk wandering around dressed in nowt more'n bearskins wrapped round them while, in fact, bronze-age leather gear was considerably superior-made than that. In fact, in retrospect, all those folk in leather jackets, and trousers doing bronze-age type things around Stonehenge at the height of its use probably didn't look significantly differently clothed from the bikers that used to celebrate there about four and a half thousand years later!! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Mon Mar 25 13:35:38 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 13:35:38 EST Subject: HW: My homepage incl. HW Message-ID: Greetings! If you want to read the latest news about DarXtar please check my HP - http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Henrik_Hallgren Later this spring it'll be renamed but this version of the HP wizard software don't allow me to change the name. There are two internal links included with shots from Nik, live at Eldslandet and also interesting shots from a HW gig in Sweden 1975. Also notice that the pic's are rather big so if you've a slow modem or connection it may take a while. The HP need some improvements, unfortunately I don't have enough time yet to do them but when I get it, first thing I'll do is to scale down the pic's. All the best Henrik From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Mon Mar 25 13:42:34 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:42:34 CST Subject: Timeless Paens From the Ongoing Rituals of Space In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 25 Mar 1996 17:00:37 +0100 from Message-ID: >>Can someone (Bernhard?) confirm dates for the Timeless Paens CD and how >>it fits in to timings of other albums and boots so that we can get the >>entries correct in the Codex? > >without being an expert in this particular area - I think none of those >versions have been released on vinyl or CD before. True, the criteria used so far (Nova Drive and Timeless Peans) has been selections from a private tape collection never released. A concerted effort is being made to avoid the wrath of one Doug Smith. On the other hand if the old boy won't give us Lord of Light on the new live release... Nature abhors a vacum! BTW, was the upcoming live CD recorded on October 26th 1995 at Bochum Zeche? Great tape, good version of LOL. Hmmm :-) To answer the original question I remember thinking that LSD from TP sounded alot like the version from the Boulder Colorado tape. I'll check... Doug the red orb is glowing, the mini disk is spinning From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Mar 25 14:14:43 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 14:14:43 EST Subject: Still looking for ArchMet CD... Message-ID: >From previous messages regarding Archectural Metaphor: From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV >From: cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com >>Does anybody out their have more info on >>availability of ArchMet CD(s)? Or perhaps an old copy they would >>like to trade? > >They mentioned something about a new one coming out last night. > >Rudy From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU >Paul (A.M.) said that the new CD was recorded and they were just mixing >it. .....He said it should be >out in May probably. They have a split single due out this week on a >local label with the track Holy Ground. >The CD is still available. they sell them at all of their shows. I >have not seen them in the local stores in a while. > >Next show that I know of is in NYC on 3/27. > >Scott From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM >> The CD is still available. they sell them at all of their shows. I >> have not seen them in the local stores in a while. > >There's one sitting in Newbury Comics in Harvard Square. > > >David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) I am still looking for a copy of Archectural Metaphor's CD 'Odysseum Galacti', as well as their new CD when it is released. If anyone who happens to be going to the NYC 3/27 show Scott mentioned wants to pick one up for me, I'd be grateful (contact me privately FIRST!) If no one sees them in NY, but somebody checks out Harvard Square (as David mentioned), that would be really cool with me too. (Again, contact me via private Email to make sure we don't double up here.) I'd be quite grateful... :-) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Mar 25 14:14:42 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 14:14:42 EST Subject: HW: Nikwind USA Tour Dates (first draft) Message-ID: Here is my first pass at a complete listing of all USA Nikwind dates. I would greatly appreciate any confirmation(s) that list members could make regarding actual dates and venues, as I understand that a number of shows that were advertised did not take place (?). What I suggest is this: if you can confirm any info on this page that has not already been confirmed (confirmed is marked with an "*"), then please _privately_ Email me with a brief "Yeah, I know Nik played at XXXXX on YY/YY/YY, because ...." You don't need any length on your input (unless you just feel like it ;-) ), but the facts are what is certainly needed. My Email addr is: cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com First Draft of Nik Turner USA Tour Dates ======================================== I have pulled the following selection of tour dates from different sources (which are listed). The shows that I have completely confirmed as having taken place are marked with an "*" following the date. I have confirmed some shows by people that I know who actually attended these shows. Others I confirm by the presence of live tapes circulating that list a venue and date that matches this list. Either method is acceptable at this time (or any other method you can think of). I would like any help with confirming that each and every show on this list did indeed take place. If any information is not completely correct, or any shows actually took place on a different date or at a different venue, then please contact me with such information. 1994 USA Tour ------------- The following dates were pulled from the "Space Ritual 1994" CD: Hollywood CA Club Lingerie 01/07/94 San Diego CA Dream Street 01/08/94 Tucson AZ Downtown Performance 01/09/94 Albuquerque NM El Ray Theater 01/11/94 ??? Lubbock TX 19th St. Warehouse 01/12/94 Dallas TX Trees 01/13/94 * Austin TX Emos 01/14/94 * Houston TX Shimey Shack 01/15/94 New Orleans LA Howlin Wolf 01/16/94 Albuquerque NM El Ray Theater 01/17/94 ??? Tallahassee FL Cow Haus 01/18/94 * Savannah GA Congree St.Station 01/20/94 Atlanta GA Masquerade 01/21/94 * Charlotte NC Milestone 01/22/94 Carboro NC Cats Cradle 01/23/94 * Columbia SC Rockafellas 01/24/94 Richmond VA Twisters 01/25/94 * Washington DC 9:30 Club 01/26/94 Armore PA 23 East Cabaret 01/27/94 Asbury Park NJ Fastlane 01/28/94 * Boston MA Paradise 01/29/94 ??? Cambridge MA Middle East 01/29/94 ??? New York NY Limelight 01/30/94 Rochester NY Horizontal Boogie Bar 01/31/94 Cleveland OH Peabodys 02/01/94 Columbus OH Staches 02/02/94 Grand Rapids MI Reptile House 02/03/94 Chicago IL Lounge Ax 02/04/94 Madison WI Barrymore Theater 02/05/94 Milwaukee WI Shank Hall 02/06/94 * Minneapolis MN Istave 02/07/94 Des Moines IA Hairy Marys 02/08/94 Kansas City MO Rumba Box 02/09/94 Lawrence KS Bottleneck 02/10/94 Lincoln NE Royal Grove 02/11/94 Boulder CO Fox Theatre 02/12/94 SanFrancisco CA Great American Music H. 02/15/94 * Berkeley CA Berkeley Square 02/16/94 Eugene OR Wowhall 02/18/94 Seattle WA Rockcandy 02/19/94 Portland OR La Luna 02/20/94 San Jose CA Cactus Club 02/22/94 Los Angeles CA Troubadour 02/23/94 ??? Hollywood CA Troubadour 02/26/94 * 1995 USA Tour ------------- The following dates were pulled from an issue of Tentacles of Erpland (the Ozric Tentacles fan club newsletter) that preceded the actual tour. Jim Collins, the OT/HW fan behind TofE, traveled with Nik for much of the 1995 tour; I will also be sending a copy of this list to Jim for his input. I expect that Jim will have much of this info in his forthcoming tribute to Nik Turner. San Diego CA Dream Street 06/30/95 ? Mesa AZ Nile Theatre 07/01/95 Albuquerque NM El Rey Theatre 07/02/95 Dallas TX Galaxy Club 07/04/95 * Austin TX Emos 07/05/95 * Houston TX Abyss 07/06/95 * Urban Art Bar ? New Orleans LA Tipitina's 07/07/95 Baton Rogue LA Bayou 07/08/95 Columbia SC Rockafellas 07/10/95 Atlanta GA Variety Playhouse 07/11/95 * Charlotte NC Tremont Music Hall 07/12/95 Washington DC Bayou Club 07/13/95 * Philadelphia PA Nick's 07/15/95 New York NY Limelight 07/16/95 * Boston MA Mama Kins 07/18/95 * Detroit MI St. Andrews Hall 07/19/95 * Rochester NY Horizontal Boogie Bar 07/19/95 ? Cleveland OH The Agora 07/20/95 * Detroit MI St. Andrews Hall 07/21/95 ??? Chicago IL Lounge Ax 07/22/95 * Milwaukee WI Shank Hall 07/23/95 * Lincoln NE Royal Grove 07/24/95 Royal Groove ? Columbia MO Blue Note 07/25/95 ? St. Louis MO Other World 07/26/95 ? 07/25/95 ? Lawerence KS Bottleneck 07/27/95 Denver CO Ogden Theater 07/29/95 ? 07/28/95 ? Boulder CO Fox Theater 07/30/95 ? Missoula MT The Buck Club 08/01/95 Seattle WA Moe Club 08/02/95 Portland OR La Luna 08/03/95 Eugene OR John Henry's 08/04/95 SanFrancisco CA Great American Music H. 08/06/95 Los Angeles The Whiskey 08/08/95 ? Any item marked with a "?" means that the information has only come from one source, whereas another source may not mention it at all or will even strongly contradict it "???". I will be happy to try to compile a longer list that includes the European tour dates (say, since 1993?), if anyone wishes to contribute more info. Right now, not much for Europe from me except: (one of the big festivals, Glastonbury or Reading 94 or 95?) and Courtesy of our Swedish Hawkfriendz: Jonkoping Sweden Eldslandet 12/16/95 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Feel free to take a quick minute to send me a one-line Email telling me which shows that you may have attended, or that may have played in your town. Thanks for all help. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Mar 25 14:29:45 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 20:29:45 +0100 Subject: Timeless Paens From the Ongoing Rituals of Space Message-ID: >>>Can someone (Bernhard?) confirm dates for the Timeless Paens CD and how >>>it fits in to timings of other albums and boots so that we can get the >>>entries correct in the Codex? >> >>without being an expert in this particular area - I think none of those >>versions have been released on vinyl or CD before. > >True, the criteria used so far (Nova Drive and Timeless Peans) has been >selections from a private tape collection never released. A concerted >effort is being made to avoid the wrath of one Doug Smith. > >On the other hand if the old boy won't give us Lord of Light on the >new live release... Nature abhors a vacum! BTW, was the upcoming live >CD recorded on October 26th 1995 at Bochum Zeche? Great tape, good version >of LOL. Hmmm :-) > >To answer the original question I remember thinking that LSD from TP >sounded alot like the version from the Boulder Colorado tape. I'll check... you got "LSD" on your _Timeless Paens..._????? do we have different versions? >Doug \\joe From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Mar 25 14:36:23 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 19:36:23 GMT Subject: HW: Nikwind USA Tour Dates (first draft) Message-ID: > > (one of the big festivals, Glastonbury or Reading 94 or 95?) > and > Courtesy of our Swedish Hawkfriendz: > Jonkoping Sweden Eldslandet 12/16/95 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Glastonbury '94 was the one where Uncle Nik played a rather amazing gig. bye - Rob From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Mar 25 14:59:50 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 14:59:50 EST Subject: HW: Nikwind USA Tour Dates (first draft) Message-ID: >Glastonbury '94 was the one where Uncle Nik played a rather amazing gig. > > bye - Rob Thanks. Anybody remember what the exact date was? Captain Cloud From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Mar 25 15:10:51 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 20:10:51 GMT Subject: HW: Nikwind USA Tour Dates (first draft) Message-ID: > > >Glastonbury '94 was the one where Uncle Nik played a rather amazing gig. > > > > bye - Rob > > Thanks. Anybody remember what the exact date was? > > Captain Cloud > I just looked at a calendar for that year and I believe it was Sunday 26th June '94. Although the band didn't come on until 3am the following morning so I guess it should really be Monday the 27th. bye - Rob From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Mon Mar 25 15:37:22 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 14:37:22 CST Subject: Timeless Paens From the Ongoing Rituals of Space In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 25 Mar 1996 20:29:45 +0100 from Message-ID: Hawkjoe, NO, my mistake I'm thinking of one of the other tracks with Ron singing. I would say which one but I'd probably be wrong again! I'll check tonight. Doug (back to lurker mode for me :) From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Mar 25 15:47:49 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 15:47:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Remasters Message-ID: In a message dated 25/03/96 20:19:42, you write: >Amazing, arn't they? :))))))))) You bet! _Doremi_ has, for many years, been one of those albums I know so well I can put it on, and I don't really notice it - but this version kept grabbing my attention, and keeping it. And actually, the tracks that maybe benefit the most are "Urban Guerilla" - it's never sounded so heavy, and so biting, before - and "Brainbox Pollution", which at 5+ mins on a 7" was always, well, indistinct. Just from the opening attack on BP, it's electrifyingly good! Well, I'm sure Selectadisc take Mastercard... Don't suppose anyone wants some One Way and EMI/Fame copies of early Hawkwind albums, going cheap... - Andy Yesterday'sObCD:) MC Solaar - _Prose Combat_ From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Mon Mar 25 17:02:46 1996 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 17:02:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Nikwind USA Tour Dates (first draft) In-Reply-To: <9603251414.A14543@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Mar 25, 96 02:14:42 pm Message-ID: > Armore PA 23 East Cabaret 01/27/94 while this should be "ardmore", the gig in question never took place, cancelled due to icestorm. cheers dave From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Mar 25 17:25:09 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 17:25:09 EST Subject: New HW Covers inserts for ftp download Message-ID: Thanks to Paul, the latest (final?) versions of the HW Covers tape inserts are available for downloading from Paul's ftp site. These are PostScript print jobs, in a PKZIP format. Each file is almost 700-KB in size. The ftp addr is: csgrad.cd.vt.edu The dir is: pub/boc-l The filenames are: hwc1.zip, hwc2.zip, hwc3.zip, hwc4.zip Paul will have WWW-available versions of these files soon. These inserts are essentially the same as previously-available inserts, except that I have made some minor font changes to hopefully improve the readability. There will also be slight changes to insert #4, to reflect the last-minute additional song. (Speaking of this, I also came across a cover of "Master of the Universe" by Vertigo. My copy is merely a tape dub, and I have no idea where the original may have come from. Just thought I'd mention that in passing....) I had some problems accessing the ftp site due to system slowdown (the net or the ftp site, I dunno), but keep trying and you will be successful. :-) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From PSYCKT at VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU Mon Mar 25 17:49:02 1996 From: PSYCKT at VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU (PSYCKT at VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 17:49:02 -0500 Subject: HW: Nikwind USA Tour Dates (first draft) Message-ID: Hi Cap'n, The 1995 Rochester/Horizontal Boogie Bar did NOT take place. I know that because I went to Rochester from Syracuse, NY and the place was closed. Boy, did I have some explaining to do to the 8 other guys in our group! Hope this helps, Tom psyckt at vax.cs.hscsyr.edu From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Mar 25 18:00:54 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:00:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Anybody seen SPACEDAZE 2000? Message-ID: a local cd shop has many copies. i am in philadelphia pa.(usa). didn't note the price, but was not too impressed with the track list. that only means that i already had all the tracks by bands i am familiar with,and there are a few bands i've never heard of on it. the place is called 3rd street jazz and rock.they do mail orders,and i have always been treated fairly by them.i was there on saturday,and do not intend to return soon,due to interstate 95 being torn asunder by burning debris beneath it. the phone# is 1-215-627-3366. ask for downstairs(rock) rj ps- they also have 2 copies of the chaos vid, 27 dollars and change,but unfortunately for u.s., it is in pal format.(i had it in my hands to buy,they were nice enough to warn me.) From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Tue Mar 26 09:26:52 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 09:26:52 U Subject: OFF: EUR / USA Message-ID: >> On the other hand I've also heard say that London water has been through >> nine people by the time you drink it..... There are two ways of looking at this. 1) Water that's been through 8 or 9 sets of kidneys has *got* to be clean. 2) London water generally tastes a bit like Dutch lager/Miller Lite. Cheers, Rich. ** The difference between us and all the other bands ** ** Is that we're different ** From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Tue Mar 26 09:28:08 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 09:28:08 U Subject: OFF: EUR / USA Message-ID: >>Ah, well. If I keep at it, I may be able to even get an arctic tern with >>"wings wetted down".... >> >But watch out for the Baby Ice Dogs, they bite! And don't skate on Polar ice. Cheers, Rich. ** The difference between us and all the other bands ** ** Is that we're different ** From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 26 06:24:02 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:24:02 GMT Subject: HW: Nikwind USA Tour Dates (first draft) In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Mon, 25 Mar 1996 14:14:42 EST Message-ID: cjohnson writes: > Here is my first pass at a complete listing of all USA Nikwind dates. > I would greatly appreciate any confirmation(s) that list members could > make regarding actual dates and venues, as I understand that a number > of shows that were advertised did not take place (?). > I will be happy to try to compile a longer list that includes the > European tour dates (say, since 1993?), if anyone wishes to contribute > more info. Right now, not much for Europe from me except: > > (one of the big festivals, Glastonbury or Reading 94 or 95?) They were at Glastonbury in June 1994. Rob Stuckey may have the correct date. It was the Sunday night I think? They also played the Emerald Centre, Hammersmith, London on 23/12/93 if I correctly remember the night I was concussed. Jill or Gordon may be able to confirm... FoFP From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 26 08:43:30 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:43:30 GMT Subject: HW: Nikwind USA Tour Dates (first draft) In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:24:02 GMT Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > cjohnson writes: > > > Here is my first pass at a complete listing of all USA Nikwind dates. > > I would greatly appreciate any confirmation(s) that list members could > > make regarding actual dates and venues, as I understand that a number > > of shows that were advertised did not take place (?). > > > I will be happy to try to compile a longer list that includes the > > European tour dates (say, since 1993?), if anyone wishes to contribute > > more info. Right now, not much for Europe from me except: > > > > (one of the big festivals, Glastonbury or Reading 94 or 95?) > > They were at Glastonbury in June 1994. Rob Stuckey may have the correct > date. It was the Sunday night I think? > definitely Sunday 'cos I'd had to leave earlier that day to catch the train home and was going zzzzzzz on a sleeper by then. 26th June perhaps? > They also played the Emerald Centre, Hammersmith, London on 23/12/93 if > I correctly remember the night I was concussed. Jill or Gordon may be > able to confirm... > I've got the ticket somewhere at home and can check this. I suspect tho' it was the night of 22 Dec - the 23 Dec being the last day we could get out of London and back to Edinburgh in time to recover and rejoin respective families on Xmas Eve (I had to travel back down to the West Country). And Gordon was trying to catch a plane to America as I recall! It got complicated. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Mar 26 10:20:02 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 16:20:02 +0100 Subject: HW: TP boot Message-ID: Hi there (Mike and Jill) >Can someone (Bernhard?) confirm dates for the Timeless Paens CD and how >it fits in to timings of other albums and boots so that we can get the >entries correct in the Codex? I'll try to do my best. I have the exact years the tracks are from. Have to check now the special dates/venues Keep you informed Bernhard From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Tue Mar 26 10:27:23 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 10:27:23 -0500 Subject: HW: TP boot Message-ID: > > > >Can someone (Bernhard?) confirm dates for the Timeless Paens CD and how > >it fits in to timings of other albums and boots so that we can get the > >entries correct in the Codex? Timeless Paens CD ?? What was this (boot I assume) ? I must have missed this discussion ? Any good ? Cheers, Steve L. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 26 10:32:01 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:32:01 GMT Subject: HW: TP boot In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Tue, 26 Mar 1996 16:20:02 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi there (Mike and Jill) > > > >Can someone (Bernhard?) confirm dates for the Timeless Paens CD and how > >it fits in to timings of other albums and boots so that we can get the > >entries correct in the Codex? > > I'll try to do my best. > > I have the exact years the tracks are from. Have to check now the special > dates/venues Thanks Bernhard. All I really need to know for each track is where it comes datewise compared to the same track on other albums. > Bernhard FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 26 10:34:05 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:34:05 GMT Subject: Alien lyrics - any more? Message-ID: It's time we added the alien lyrics into our lyrics files. I have partial lyrics culled from various people. If anyone wants to add or correct lyrics, please let me know... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alien (I Am) I lack emotion, have no love that I can find I want some devotion to ease a worried mind The heart is softened the soul is scorched The mind erodes away some sentimental thoughts The window cracked is closed The door slams shut The lights put out, say no more speak no less For you I become the alien I am For you I become the alien I am The cry primal is muffled The mouth seals tight The eye looks within Say no more speak no less I the alien reject your human touch Festival The spirit once lived In all of our hearts, A spirit of freedom, Dance, music and Arts. We gave what we could, But they wanted more. We came in peace, But left in war. A society infiltrated from the inside, Government instigators? Nowhere to hide. We have allowed it to happen, It is so very sad, Everyone is guilty, Though not everyone is bad. Those carefree days of summers past At the time seemed too good to last. But I thought that it would be destroyed, >From the outside... not from within, By the closed minded fascists, Not by our own "Kith and Kin". Sputnik Stan They call me Sputnik Stan I view the Earth from a garbage can I'm in your orbit as a junkyard man It's just a job, I'm a satellite junkman They call me Sputnik Stan Spaceway maintenance man I see a satellite about to fade Got to collect it or we don't get paid 1st track: ABDUCTED On board the craft I noticed the ?lump of? electrical-like ceiling lines Like the lines in the human brain. There are window or screen areas all around the ship They are like a two-way mirror - a kind of projection place It is as if these windowscreens are made of a combination of metal, crystal or mirrored glass I see a cloud shape, a landscape, suspended plastic sheets. I notice slanted surfaces on the tops of machines with instruments on panels. Small creatures are busily moving around. They are seated at the controls at the base of the slanting walls. Robot-like creatures with large black eyes That appear to have reptillean or insect-like facial qualities. I don't have any problem facing the little ones that are so blissful The the ugly ones scare and repulse me It's like the larva inside the ?leather-faced? skin of a half-dark scarey machine. The reptile faced insect body robots They are being brought forth to perform specific functions. ********************* 2nd track - ALIEN "What kind of receiver would be capable of processing these signals?" "A system designed to modify the electromagnetic spectrum and carry those messages directly to the human brain" ?? ... ?? Microscopic ?? I sleep with you I come from within I Am The Alien We are your friends I am here to help you Make amends We Are The Aliens ALIEN - song Alien control calling. Are you receiving, Earth? Are you receiving? We Are The Aliens We have warned you about the dangers We Are The Aliens ************** 3rd track: REJECT YOUR HUMAN TOUCH ?"speak to you"? *************** 4th track: BLUE SKIN No ?wall ....... No time to ?take? it in Ultrasonic ?heavy? machine Take control. Take control ?Issues? take command Clicking hands clattering into the black In the ink of night. .... ?ancient .... ?goats dance? I'm bleeding for you Breeding for you My blood is blue Penetration through ... feel free Surgically screened No needle machine Slice the flesh like a ?tiko ?tiko stone Cut statistics on my face Name Age Place of Birth Race Village And Tribe Carve ?deeply Erase doubts as to who I am As to who I am Break, break Transfer Inscribe Images of sweet roses ?rain ...... ?tips .... tattoo a hole in my skin Drains the blood ************************** 5th Track: BEAM ME UP Supernatural. Biological. Transluscent glaze. Night Spirit. The Folding Eye. Free my soul Supernatural. Extra Terrestrial. Supernatural. Extra Terrestrial Beam Me Up. I'm being beamed up. Now. "The fusion bomb was invented in 1934 but we didn't see it until 1945" Hiroshima. Nagasaki. The fusion bomb, the future bomb. Is always wrong. The neutron bomb. Monitored by the alien control satellites. We have holographic images showing the destruction of the World. I thought it was a dream but then I wasn't in bed A fractured dream Through the broken screen Projected. Injected Into my head Under the skin Inside my mind Through the golden stream of time Into my mind Through the golden stream of time I'm being beamed. Up. Now. ******************** 6th track: VEGA 7th track: XENOMORPH I'd ?like ....?be born ?sign Xenomorphic cries You can't escape me Once you are chosen The forces assist me To take you over Get in the machine Assailants of mankind Skeletal life forms are born to be my toys ?Alotrials? Mind Invaders Xenomorphic liquidators Like to escape free Now you've been chosen The force is within me Your life is over Inside a machine A ?? android And so they exist Simply to destroy Antibodies near me You can't even see me Hermetically productive Xenomorphic blood test My blood type goes straight through I'll have to sedate you You'll have to escape through The tunnel of light ******************** 8th track: JOURNEY 9th track: SPUTNIK STAN - 10th track: KAPAL "To be, or not to be - that is the question; Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them" "Married with my uncle, My father's brother: but no more like my father Than I to Hercules. Within a month... ... She married. O, most wicked speed, to post With such dexterity to incestuous sheets! It is not, nor it cannot come to good. But break, my heart, for I must hold my tongue" "To be or not to be That is the question" ****************** Track 11: FESTIVALS Track 12: DEATH TRAP Track 13: WASTELANDS Track 14: ARE YOU LOSING YOUR MIND Watching TV. Walking down the street I realised I had a problem A big problem in my mind I had to get the problem out of my mind I realised I had a - Silicon chip In my head I had a Silicon chip In my head Ah. I'm losing my mind control I'm losing my mind Are you losing your mind? Mind control Mind control ******************** Track 15 (on vinyl) SPACE SEX From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Mar 26 10:37:50 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 10:37:50 -0500 Subject: HW : Space Ritual Remastered Message-ID: Jon said >Well, I'm now a gibbering mess! Me too, now! >Could Space Ritual, a live set, be improved, we chin-strokingly ask >ourselves? The best album in the world... just got better!!! I must say, I too was sceptical about what remastering could achieve. Not any more! Whoa! This is utterly essential for anyone who's even remotely interested in Hawkwind. Now I want remasters of _Secret Treaties_ and _On Your Feet..._! - Andy From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Mar 26 11:39:16 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:39:16 -0500 Subject: New HW Covers inserts for ftp download In-Reply-To: <9603251725.A14565@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Mar 1996, cjohnson wrote: > Thanks to Paul, the latest (final?) versions of the HW Covers tape > inserts are available for downloading from Paul's ftp site. These > are PostScript print jobs, in a PKZIP format. Each file is almost > 700-KB in size. > > The ftp addr is: csgrad.cd.vt.edu ^^ Just a little typo. The site is csgrad.cs.vt.edu [128.173.41.41]. > The dir is: pub/boc-l > The filenames are: hwc1.zip, hwc2.zip, hwc3.zip, hwc4.zip Remember to transfer in binary mode. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From christoj at PLK.AF.MIL Tue Mar 26 12:22:14 1996 From: christoj at PLK.AF.MIL (Julian Christou) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 10:22:14 -0700 Subject: HW - Astronomers In-Reply-To: <199603221000.FAA10861@listserv.spc.edu> from "Automatic digest processor" at Mar 22, 96 05:00:00 am Message-ID: > > Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 19:39:46 +0100 > From: Endre Zsoldos > Subject: Re: astronomy - comet hyakutake - off topic > > Bryan Irby wrote: > > >but as an astronomer > > Are there more astronomers on the list? I AM an astronomer, too, so there are > at least two :-))) > > Cheers, > > Endre > Make that three. I am one also. In fact we were looking at 1996B2 this weekend but between telescope problems and weather problems we only got a few images. On Sunday night the tail appeared to stretch almost a quarter of the way across the sky. Very, very impressive. WQe have some early comet images on our Web Page http://wwwsor.plk.af.mil/IMAGES/exper/comtpict.htm for those interested ... And now back to the regularly scheduled Hawkmessages ... Julian - +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ | Dr. Julian Christou | Phone: 505-846-4712 x330 | | PL/LIG, Phillips Lab | FAX: 505-846-2213 | | 3550 Aberdeen SE +-----------------------------+ | Kirtland AFB, NM 87117-5776 | E-mail: christoj at plk.af.mil | +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ " You don't have to be ashamed of using your own ideas" Brian Eno - Oblique Strategies From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 26 13:02:42 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:02:42 -0500 Subject: BRAIN SURGEONS GIG Message-ID: The Brain Surgeons will be at CBGB in NYC, Saturday, March 30. Showtime: 9 pm See ya there! From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Mar 26 13:20:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:20:00 EST Subject: BRAIN: BRAIN SURGEONS GIG R Way? Message-ID: >The Brain Surgeons will be at CBGB in NYC, Saturday, March 30. Showtime: 9 pm >See ya there! Any update on the Boston "make up" date because Mama Kin screwed up last time? Or wait until the May tour? Rudy From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 26 13:57:59 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:57:59 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: BRAIN SURGEONS GIG R Way? Message-ID: We will be in Northhampton, Mass April 19 or 20 for the Loud Festival, sponsored by WBCN. I think we may be appearing on a panel or two on Friday and playing on Saturday, but details are not yet confirmed. So watch this space! From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Tue Mar 26 13:34:16 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:34:16 CST Subject: HW: TP boot Message-ID: >>Can someone (Bernhard?) confirm dates for the Timeless Paens CD and how >>it fits in to timings of other albums and boots so that we can get the >>entries correct in the Codex? > >I have the exact years the tracks are from. Have to check now the special >dates/venues Bernhard, I compared the Boulder Colorado tape from 4-23-95 to TP and the crowd noise matches exactly in the following three songs: Do That Urban Guerilla Welcome to the Future I'd guess Down through the Night is from the '89 US tour but can't put an exact date to it (with the tapes I have). I'm currently trying to figure out three tapes I just traded for that are mislabeled. All the dates and venues are mismatched. Do you have any tapes with Hurry on Sundown from the early 70's? One was labeled as BBC 1970. Its an incomplete show with Master of the Universe, Your Only Dreaming, Shouldn't Do That and Hurry on Sundown. Its obvious this gig is from the 1970-1973 era. The sound quality is very good! Another question is when was the first time Spirit of the Age was played live at a HW show? thanks Doug From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 26 14:29:01 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 19:29:01 GMT Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Mon, 25 Mar 1996 15:47:49 -0500 Message-ID: obcaveat> These opinions are all mine - no-one else would want them and I do concede that others may differ fundamentally from these views! Wierd isn't it. The most perfectly reproduced sound of Hawkwind ever created. Absolutely crystal clear, every instrument selected and precisely nuanced with every other, pristine clean lyrics. The re-mastering is undoubtedly impressive and if you like sharp clear sounds then you have to get these remasters. But I think I started wrong: I began with Hall of the Mountain Grill and IMO this is not one of the albums that wholly benefits from such precision sound. The instrumentals are wonderful, the synthesiser sounds drop like jewels of light into darkness, there are piano solos, violin solos I'd never heard so well before, swirls of music sound, and yet..... Hawkwind have a busy sound, a full, constant endless background of sound and HotMG in its muddy state convinced you it was there. But now that's cleaned up and it's a bit like removing white noise from the Universe - behind the bits there's only space and you realise that it's a patchy album overall. It's got a lighter feel than the previous ones, probably deliberately so, and now you can hear it beautifully - but such precision means that it's also lost a certain feeling of depth. A muddy guitar still sounds like a muddy guitar (no remastering can change that) and now you can hear it there's no escape from it. Nik Turner's voice is, well, unique, and now it's so clear you can't tune it out and only listen to the words - I sat listening to D-Rider and thought - hey, I liked this track - and then worried about the past tense! However I went on to play Doremi before the pub and In Search of Space after and was a lot happier. ISoS is, for me, the great classic sound of Hawkwind and I was delighted to find that re-mastering has done no harm here. Although each muddy instrument sound retains its gluey consistency, by separating out the instruments you can hear, clearly and delightfully the extraordinary interplay the band created between them and the almost freeform music they could create by expanding or fading a basic theme and then sharing it around between the different instruments. The lyrics come over better too, far enough back in the music not to dominate but clear enough now to hear them without struggling. And, again, the synth (audio generator - whatever!) is wonderful. Maybe the saxaphone benefits a bit too much but heck, I can cope with that. It's a very, very impressive job that's been done by EMI. Some aspects of Hawkwind's playing will gain enormously by this, and it will perhaps also show up the weaker aspects of the band when they weren't at their best as well, but that happens. These are excellent re-issues IMO and I'm busy working out which members of the family would be most appropriate to get one or two as birthday presents..... 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Mar 26 14:47:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:47:00 EST Subject: HW: All in the Family Message-ID: >These are excellent re-issues >IMO and I'm busy working out which members of the family would be most >appropriate to get one or two as birthday presents..... 8-) >jill You have family that likes HW? You're lucky. My wife can't figure out why I bought the early original HW CDs. She sure won't know what ever will possess me to buy the remastered ones. Beyond that in my family, nobody knows "hawk" compounds with any other word. I want to hear about "Cymbaline," can HW do Floyd better than PF? Rudy obsong - "Kelly's Heros" Black Grape (that could be a very good festival) From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Mar 26 17:52:54 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 23:52:54 +0100 Subject: HW: TP boot Message-ID: Hi there (Mike) >Thanks Bernhard. All I really need to know for each track is where it >comes datewise compared to the same track on other albums. Please be patient. Keep you (and the LIST) informed asap Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Mar 26 17:52:53 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 23:52:53 +0100 Subject: HW: TP boot Message-ID: Hi there (Doug) >Bernhard, > >I compared the Boulder Colorado tape from 4-23-95 to TP and the crowd noise >matches exactly in the following three songs: > Do That > Urban Guerilla > Welcome to the Future > You are right. These tracks are from the BOULDER gig Brainstorm is from a US 1991 gig. One of the very rare gigs when Dave himself did sing this song >I'd guess Down through the Night is from the '89 US tour but can't put an >exact date to it (with the tapes I have). You are again right. But its difficult to find the right date >I'm currently trying to figure out three tapes I just traded for that are >mislabeled. All the dates and venues are mismatched. Do you have any tapes >with Hurry on Sundown from the early 70's? One was labeled as BBC 1970. >Its an incomplete show with Master of the Universe, Your Only Dreaming, >Shouldn't Do That and Hurry on Sundown. Its obvious this gig is from the >1970-1973 era. The sound quality is very good! These are all tapes most parts of TEXT OF FESITVAL were making from (John Peels Sessions) Here are the dates (AFAIK) 18.08.70, LONDON, MAIDA VALE hurry on sundown / seeing it as you really are 19.04.71, LONDON, PLAYHOUSE THEATRE paranoia / seeing it as you really are / we do it 19.05.71, LONDON, MAIDA VALE master of the universe / only dreaming / you shouldn't do that >Another question is when was the first time Spirit of the Age was played >live at a HW show? The very first time it was played on 14.10.1971 in POTTERS BAR The song was called at this time: SHAPES OF THINGS TO COME The version you know was for the first time played live in LONDON on 27.02.1977 Bernhard From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 26 18:17:04 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:17:04 -0500 Subject: HW : Space Ritual Remastered Message-ID: could someone please repost the info on these remasters?i.e. label,catalog #'s, release dates. thanks in advance, rj From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Mar 26 22:30:49 1996 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 22:30:49 -0500 Subject: BOC FAQ 2.1 now available on archives Message-ID: Thanks to John for making the new FAQ available. It has been loaded into the BOC-L archive (ftp.spc.edu) as boc_faq-2_1.txt YnSSHM, Ben From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Mar 26 23:18:07 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 23:18:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: Rave anyone? Message-ID: Hello all, Just found out about what could be an interesting evening. For all you techno/rave fans ( if any ) there will be a HUGE rave on April 20, 1996, in Cleveland, Ohio, at the IX center. Here's the details: This is direct from the flyer I have. Space: A clean, arena-sized space with room for everyone, multiple rooms of lights, lasers, and sounds. Vending: Huge area with live drumming circle. Interested vendors contact us by April 1st. Sound: The largest Turbo Sound System ever assembled in the U.S.! Over 120 cabinets of pounding sound. Lighting: The most extravagant & creative lighting system ever put together! ( too much to list ) provided by Thunder and Lightning. Lasers: ULTRA-HIGH POWERED full color blinding lasers by the one and only Centrak Lasers. Video: Live video mixed with custom animations on several screens by Ultimedia. THIS PARTY IS PURE HEAD STASH!! Info lines: Spawntaneous - 216-779-7188 Psycholine - 216-556-0899 Deep Records - 216-382-3101 This flyer mentions more info to come on ticket prices, bus trips, etc. So if anyone wants more info, privately email me, or call one of the numbers above. Rave on! Duane aa5287 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu OBCD: Kraftwerk - The Man-Machine -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Mar 26 22:17:59 1996 From: matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Matt Curtis) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:17:59 +1000 Subject: Alien lyrics - any more? Message-ID: On 26 Mar 96 at 15:34, M Holmes posted the alien lyrics: > 2nd track - ALIEN > > "What kind of receiver would be capable of processing these signals?" > "A system designed to modify the electromagnetic spectrum and carry > those messages directly to the human brain" from something???? js> it's from a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode. -matt (good for vague tidbits of information which go nowhere) -- matt at pcmicro.com.au, citizen #61385872341, session zombie (R) IMPENDING DOOM HAS ARRIVED page 1 of 1 pages From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 27 05:23:03 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:23:03 +0000 Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: <9603261929.aa03644@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: In message <9603261929.aa03644 at uk.ac.ed.castle>, J Strobridge writes >It's a very, very impressive job that's been done by EMI. > These are excellent re-issues >IMO >jill > One question remains unanswered. (or even unasked) If you're going to do such a thourough job on these 5 albums, why omit the sixth and final one? Where's Warrior Remastered? -- Jon Browne From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Mar 27 06:34:16 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 06:34:16 -0500 Subject: Alien lyrics - any more? Message-ID: Not that I'm going to listen closely to Ron's warblings on _Aileen 4_ when I've got the remastered _Space Ritual_ at hand :), but >Slice the flesh like a ?tiko ?tiko stone I thought this was "the tiko tiko stare", but even Chambers Dictionary can't help me with "tiko tiko"... (although a "tucotuco" is a "South American rodent of mole-like habits", FWIW). BTW, while we're on lyrics, I was curious to see the "lost" first verse to "Psychedelic Warlords" in the _SR_ booklet! - Andy From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Mar 27 07:45:40 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:45:40 +0000 Subject: Alien lyrics - any more? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 27 Mar 1996 06:34:16 EST." <960327063415_455999225@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: > Not that I'm going to listen closely to Ron's warblings on _Aileen 4_ when > I've got the remastered _Space Ritual_ at hand :), but > > >Slice the flesh like a ?tiko ?tiko stone > > I thought this was "the tiko tiko stare", but even Chambers Dictionary can't > help me with "tiko tiko"... (although a "tucotuco" is a "South American > rodent of mole-like habits", FWIW). Maybe Tcho-Tcho ? Oh sorry, wrong band for a fallacious HPL reference. ;) Tim From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Wed Mar 27 07:45:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:45:00 -0500 Subject: Remasters Message-ID: These remasters sound terriffic. I had one question. I am wondering if based on what JIll said about ISOS that ths sound is so cleaned up now that if some of the old band heard the lp if they might not clearly know it was their recording of the lp, as they might not receognize just how clean the sound is, as they probably never heard it that clean when they played live or recorded it in the studio... a truely new HW lp!! HW and space rock will be on the air on Wed April 3rd on 88.1 WMBR in Cambridge MA. I plan to play: Vagtazo Hallotekemek, Bevis Frond, HW, Arc Met, Ozrics, White Heaven, Sundial, Monster Magnet, Spacious Mind, Kingston Wall, Carl's band, and of course the BRAIN SURGEONS! If there is time I will squeeze in a few other bands. Scott ObCassette: Hot Tuna- Northeastern Univ,Boston 10/16/75 (HOT!!) From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 27 08:23:20 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:23:20 GMT Subject: HW: Nik in London 1993 and Glastonbury 1994 Message-ID: Nik Turner's London gig was technically pre-Nikwind in that it was the last gig he did before going to the States as "Nik Turner's Hawkwind" but it was, however, billed as "Pinkwind" with Nik Turner and others so may classify as proto-Nikwind. In full it was: Nik Turner and Inner City Unit reunion gig + Pinkwind (Nik Turner, Twink and guests) + Omnia Opera who never turned up and it was held at the Emerald Center, Hammersmith, London on Wednesday 22 December, 1993. The Glastonbury date was Sunday June 26th 1994 at some ridiculous hour like 2.30am in the morning! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 27 08:23:51 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:23:51 +0000 Subject: HW: TP boot In-Reply-To: <199603262252.XAA24856@exit.ruhr.de> Message-ID: In message <199603262252.XAA24856 at exit.ruhr.de>, Bernhard Pospiech writes >>Another question is when was the first time Spirit of the Age was played >>live at a HW show? > >The very first time it was played on 14.10.1971 in POTTERS BAR >The song was called at this time: SHAPES OF THINGS TO COME As early as that? I'm amazed. (again. I've been spending a lot of my time amazed recently :> ) What did it sound like, I mean, how different from the version off QS & C? -- Jon Browne From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Mar 27 10:45:59 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:45:59 EST Subject: HW: Nikwind tour dates, second draft Message-ID: Second Draft of Nik Turner USA Tour Dates (26 Mar 96) ====================================================== The following dates were pulled from the "Space Ritual 1994" CD and info from BOC-L members. Shows marked with a "*" have been confirmed as having taken place. Shows marked with a "???" are doubtful that they actually took place. 1994 Nikwind Shows ------------------ Hollywood CA Club Lingerie 01/07/94 San Diego CA Dream Street 01/08/94 Tucson AZ Downtown Performance 01/09/94 Albuquerque NM El Rey Theater 01/11/94 * Lubbock TX 19th St. Warehouse 01/12/94 Dallas TX Trees 01/13/94 * Austin TX Emos 01/14/94 * Houston TX Shimey Shack 01/15/94 New Orleans LA Howlin Wolf 01/16/94 Albuquerque NM El Ray Theater 01/17/94 * Tallahassee FL Cow Haus 01/18/94 * Savannah GA Congress St.Station 01/20/94 Atlanta GA Masquerade 01/21/94 * Charlotte NC Milestone 01/22/94 Carboro NC Cats Cradle 01/23/94 * Columbia SC Rockafellas 01/24/94 Richmond VA Twisters 01/25/94 * Washington DC 9:30 Club 01/26/94 -Ardmore PA 23 East Cabaret 01/27/94 Asbury Park NJ Fastlane 01/28/94 * -Boston MA Paradise 01/29/94 Cambridge MA Middle East 01/29/94 New York NY Limelight 01/30/94 Rochester NY Horizontal Boogie Bar 01/31/94 Cleveland OH Peabodys 02/01/94 Columbus OH Staches 02/02/94 Grand Rapids MI Reptile House 02/03/94 Chicago IL Lounge Ax 02/04/94 Madison WI Barrymore Theater 02/05/94 Milwaukee WI Shank Hall 02/06/94 * Minneapolis MN Istave 02/07/94 Des Moines IA Hairy Marys 02/08/94 Kansas City MO Rumba Box 02/09/94 Lawrence KS Bottleneck 02/10/94 Lincoln NE Royal Grove 02/11/94 Boulder CO Fox Theatre 02/12/94 SanFrancisco CA Great American Music H. 02/15/94 * Berkeley CA Berkeley Square 02/16/94 Eugene OR Wowhall 02/18/94 * Seattle WA Rockcandy 02/19/94 * Portland OR La Luna 02/20/94 * Ashland OR ??? 02/ /94 ??? San Jose CA Cactus Club 02/22/94 Los Angeles CA Troubadour 02/23/94 ??? Hollywood CA Troubadour 02/26/94 * It must be synchronicity. Yesterday I received from Jim Collins of Tentacles of Erpland fame a copy of his new 1995 Space Ritual logbook, which chronicles the Nikwind tour dates from the 1995 shows. His data seems to match up with the input I have already received from BOC-L members, so I present it here as a complete, confirmed list. 1995 Nikwind Shows ------------------ San Diego CA Dream Street 06/30/95 Mesa AZ Nile Theatre 07/01/95 Albuquerque NM El Rey Theatre 07/02/95 Dallas TX Galaxy Club 07/04/95 Austin TX Emos 07/05/95 Houston TX Urban Art Bar 07/06/95 New Orleans LA Tipitina's 07/07/95 Baton Rogue LA Bayou 07/08/95 Columbia SC Rockafellas 07/10/95 Atlanta GA Variety Playhouse 07/11/95 Charlotte NC Tremont Music Hall 07/12/95 Washington DC Bayou Club 07/13/95 Philadelphia PA Nick's 07/15/95 New York NY Limelight 07/16/95 Boston MA Mama Kins 07/18/95 -Detroit MI St. Andrews Hall 07/19/95 -Rochester NY Horizontal Boogie Bar 07/19/95 Cleveland OH The Agora 07/20/95 Detroit MI St. Andrews Hall 07/21/95 Chicago IL Lounge Ax 07/22/95 Milwaukee WI Shank Hall 07/23/95 Lincoln NE Royal Grove 07/24/95 Royal Groove ? -Columbia MO Blue Note 07/25/95 St. Louis MO The Other World 07/25/95 Lawerence KS Bottleneck 07/27/95 Denver CO Bluebird Theater 07/28/95 Boulder CO Fox Theater 07/30/95 -Missoula MT The Buck Club 08/01/95 Seattle WA Moe Club 08/02/95 Portland OR La Luna 08/03/95 Eugene OR John Henry's 08/04/95 Ashland OR Buffalo Music Hall 08/05/95 SanFrancisco CA Great American Music H. 08/06/95 Los Angeles Las Palmas Theater 08/08/95 (in the desert) Flipside Records party 08/12/95 European Concerts (so far) -------------------------- London Hammersmith 12/22/93 Glastonbury Festival 06/27/94 Jonkoping Sweden Eldslandet Club 12/16/95 Anouncement: In Jim Collins' 1995 Nikwind logbook he announces that he will also put out a similar tour record documenting Nik's 1994 USA tours (more synchronicity). He says it'll be sometime this summer before it's ready; knowing how busy Jim is, it could be a little longer. Jim has already planned to do the same thing in two parts for the 1995 HW USA tour, of which the first part (called "American Hawk Tales Part 1") has already come out. In the meantime, I will continue to (independently) attempt a complete list of the 1994 shows, until Jim once again supercedes my effort. If any list members have further data on the 1994 shows, please Email me with brief confirmations of dates and/or venues. I also want to thank the many people who have already sent in relevent updates: Rob - etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Rudy - Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Chris - Chris_Baxley at sonymusic.com Dave - lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU David - david at pharlap.CI.COM Scott - HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Mike - fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Jill - eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tom - PSYCKT at VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU (BTW, if you sent something but don't see your name here, then I didn't receive your Email...) As far as pre-"N.T.Space Ritual" shows (i.e. Pinkwind etc), I will be happy to list whatever I can track down. I also expect that such a list would probably never be complete. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Mar 27 11:24:47 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:24:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Spirit Of The Age Message-ID: Hi there >>>Another question is when was the first time Spirit of the Age was played >>>live at a HW show? >> >>The very first time it was played on 14.10.1971 in POTTERS BAR >>The song was called at this time: SHAPES OF THINGS TO COME > >As early as that? I'm amazed. (again. I've been spending a lot of my >time amazed recently :> ) > >What did it sound like, I mean, how different from the version off >QS & C? I am very sorry but I made a mistake!!!! . Here are the corrections: SPIRIT OF THE AGE was for the first time played on 14.10.1971 It was only an ode (like WELCOME TO THE FUTURE) spoken by Calvert. The lyrics are from the HAWKLOG from ISOS, only slightly different from the lyrics we all know. Next time SPPIRIT OF THE AGE was played on 11.12.1976. The words are very different. And the chorus is SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME instead of SPIRIT OF THE AGE. The music is the same as on QS&C The first time the "real" SPIRIT OF THE AGE version was played (the version we all know) was on 27.02.1977 (the famous Roundhouse gig) Hope that helps Again: I am very sorry for my mistake Bernhard From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 27 08:19:07 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:19:07 +0000 Subject: HW: All in the Family In-Reply-To: <3157C061@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: In message <3157C061 at volpegate.dot.gov>, "Rudich, Robert A" writes >I want to hear about "Cymbaline," can HW do Floyd better than PF? > >Rudy Don't get me wrong, The Hawks' *are* the greatest band ever ~ FACT ;-P It has to be conceded that the Floyd's Cymbaline is better that the Hawks. In fact, there might be a good reason why this 26 year old recording has only surfaced now. It's worth hearing but it's not the high point of the album. (Mirror Of Illusion is!) -- Jon Browne From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Mar 27 11:56:33 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:56:33 -0500 Subject: HW: Spirit Of The Age Message-ID: Wasn't the original spoken poem by Bob Calvert known as "The Starfarer's Lament" Martyn From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 27 13:17:40 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:17:40 GMT Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:23:03 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In message <9603261929.aa03644 at uk.ac.ed.castle>, J Strobridge > writes > >It's a very, very impressive job that's been done by EMI. > > > These are excellent re-issues > >IMO > > >jill > > > > One question remains unanswered. (or even unasked) > > If you're going to do such a thourough job on these 5 albums, > why omit the sixth and final one? > > Where's Warrior Remastered? > someone raised this query in conversation the other night. maybe it wasn't one of the albums bought up by EMI? Maybe it was different from the other UA stuff? Maybe it's because Griffin have already done it? (Except they seem to have remastered Pendragon instead). Questions, questions. which reminds me - I'm still looking for a Griffin Warrior mispressing. Richard Cummings seems to have vanished? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 27 13:25:04 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:25:04 GMT Subject: Alien lyrics - any more? In-Reply-To: Matt Curtis's message of Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:17:59 +1000 Message-ID: Matt Curtis writes: > On 26 Mar 96 at 15:34, M Holmes posted the alien lyrics: > > > 2nd track - ALIEN > > > > "What kind of receiver would be capable of processing these signals?" > > "A system designed to modify the electromagnetic spectrum and carry > > those messages directly to the human brain" > from something???? js> > > it's from a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode. > > -matt (good for vague tidbits of information which go nowhere) > This was definitely resolved as Star Trek TNG - I remember someone even saw the episode concerned. The question now is how do we record such tidbits of info - if indeed we should do so? Footnotes? textual notes? appendices? Shakespeare and TNG are easy enough to reference but I wonder how many others are lurking unrecognised? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Mar 27 14:04:14 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:04:14 -0500 Subject: HW: WotEoT Remastered? In-Reply-To: <9603271817.aa13977@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Mar 27, 96 06:17:40 pm Message-ID: Jay-Dee exported these tasty UK tidbits to my X-term... > > Jon Browne writes: > > > In message <9603261929.aa03644 at uk.ac.ed.castle>, J Strobridge > > writes > > >It's a very, very impressive job that's been done by EMI. > > > > > These are excellent re-issues > > >IMO > > > > >jill > > > > > > > One question remains unanswered. (or even unasked) > > > > If you're going to do such a thourough job on these 5 albums, > > why omit the sixth and final one? > > > > Where's Warrior Remastered? > > > > someone raised this query in conversation the other night. > > maybe it wasn't one of the albums bought up by EMI? Maybe it was > different from the other UA stuff? Maybe it's because Griffin have > already done it? (Except they seem to have remastered Pendragon > instead). > I would love to see the lavish care that seems to have laid upon the early HW releases applied to WotEoT (salivating that HotMG has benefited, along with SR). In the US, WotEoT was released on Atco (if my fading memory serves) on this side of the Pond and UA in the UK. So maybe they didn't get the rights to it. And wasn't the master missing for WotEoT to begin with? (I assume that the first 5 were all done from the master tapes, eh?) If they don't have the right raw materials to have done the job right, that may explain its' abscence. As far as Griffin remastering it, I suspect that they did not. My assumption comes from the fact that during the middle of the Great Tangerine Dream Virgin Catalog Remastering Effort, two titles appeared on Griffin in the US (Cyclone and Force Majeure). Neither benefited from remastering (according to those who did an A/B of the originals to the Griffin CD's) and had completely different (and markedly inferior) artwork (generic desert photography). Not having seen the current Griffin release (but owning a copy of the box release from many moons ago), I suspect that this is just a re-release, sans box & book. > Questions, questions. > > which reminds me - I'm still looking for a Griffin Warrior mispressing. > Richard Cummings seems to have vanished? > > jill > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > objHappy Happy Joy Joy: The "scratch" on my copy of Alien turned out to be just some sticky residue, which Meguires' Plastic Cleaner & Polish took right off! Plays fine... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Mar 27 14:21:04 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:21:04 -0600 Subject: HW Covers Project--address request Message-ID: Please send your address to me (US folks) or Dave (UK/rest of world folks) if you have not done so for the Covers Project. This list does not include contributors, for whom I should have addresses as I have all of your envelopes sitting against my stereo speaker. I'll be going to the post office tomorrow to determine postage, then I'll send out a note about costs so you can write checks to Dave or I. That's all for now. Allan. -------------- > >Just how many list members want a set? One set for the band. From: William Stone From: "C.E. Anderson" From: Gary Wingert From: cjohnson From: Vanderpump & Welbelove From: Paul Ward From: Frank Weil From: HERBERT119 at delphi.com (Chuck) From: donnell at epx.cis.umn.edu (brian) From: JEFFRIEDLE at aol.com (Jeff) From: Hawkwind00 at aol.com (ray) From: Jerry Guizar From: Doug Bates From: Paul Mather From: Martyn White From: MCINTYRE at pa.msu.edu (John McIntyre) From: Richard Crump From: Keith A Henderson From: Chris Baxley From: RJPXR5 at aol.com From: P Mitchell From: Rudich, Robert A From: Martyn Lawrence From: Michael P Mccollum From: "David B. Kuznick" From: ALANSEIBERT at delphi.com From: The Great Quail From: Stephen Swann From: Brand From: Randy From: John Majka From: Stephen Lindsey From: Christopher.Stier at smtpgate.lexis-nexis.com From: John McCartney J. McCartney 1000 Kiely Blvd. #112 Santa Clara CA 95051-4826 From: Dave Berry This is my list of people who want tapes. Allan has another list, of people who he will be sending tapes to. I apologise if I've missed anyone who requested copies. Please let me know of any errors or additions (folk in North America should contact Allan). Dave. Name E-mail Do I have address? Contributors: Hawkwind Yes Mike Holmes fofp at castle.ed.ac.uk Yes Jill Strobridge eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk Yes Mike Wright M.S.Wright at reading.ac.uk Yes Joe hawkjoe at eka.ericsson.se Commander Soren c/o Joe? Non-contributors: Alun Hughes a.hughes at newi.ac.uk No David Jones david at mastmoor.demon.co.uk Yes Rob Stuckey etlrbsy at etlxdmx.ericsson.se Yes Paul Ward sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au Yes Maxine Wesley mxw at dmu.ac.uk Yes Duane Hoyt aa5287 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu Yes ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Wed Mar 27 14:24:55 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:24:55 -0500 Subject: HW: WotEoT Remastered? Message-ID: Craig says: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as Griffin remastering it, I suspect that they did not. My assumption comes from the fact that during the middle of the Great Tangerine Dream Virgin Catalog Remastering Effort, two titles appeared on Griffin in the US (Cyclone and Force Majeure). Neither benefited from remastering (according to those who did an A/B of the originals to the Griffin CD's) and had completely different (and markedly inferior) artwork (generic desert photography). Not having seen the current Griffin release (but owning a copy of the box release from many moons ago), I suspect that this is just a re-release, sans box & book. >>>>>>>>>>>> Well reopening an old story here, I have the Atco & Griffin versions and have in the past claimed that the Griffin was superior, I don't recall anyone ever agreeing or disagreeing, until a few months back I remember someone said: "Hey I bought the Griffin version and its no better than my Atco version, which one of you said it was better ?" At which point I did the noble thing and ran to hide in a corner. So is this just a subjective thing ? is the difference there but subtle ? is there more than one version of the Griffin ? (mine *is* the box set version). OK, OK I'll try and relisten to them side by side again. Cheers, Steve L. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 27 14:34:32 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:34:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Therapy! Message-ID: A friend sent this useful report from the wire service: PANJIM, India (Reuter) -- Retired Indian Admiral L. Ramdas drinks his neat. Dr. Ryoichi Nakao of Japan likes to gargle with his each morning. "I splash some on my face," said Coen van der Kroon of the Netherlands. "It's a great aftershave." They are among millions who say urine has benefits beyond the toilet bowl. The devotees are more than a fringe group of faith healers fed up with conventional medicine. Their ranks are growing, they are organizing and they claim pharmaceutical makers better listen up because it is big money. "Urine has tremendous political and economic implications," said Carmen Thomas, a West German radio journalist who has written three books on urine therapy. One of them entitled "A Very Special Juice" has sold 750,000 copies. Some 600 doctors, scientists and therapists gathered recently in Panjim, capital of the southwestern Indian state of Goa, for the first World Conference on Auto-Urine Therapy. Participants paid tribute to former Indian prime minister Morarji Desai, who stunned the world when he disclosed that he drank a glass of his own urine every day. He died last year at the age of 99. Conference enthusiasts were led by G.K. Thakkar, head of India's Water of Life Foundation who says urine cured him of amoebic dysentery and eczema, and made him a "bold orator overnight." Thakkar calls urine "the nectar medicine" which he claims can heal most if not all illnesses, including AIDS. Tara Eich of Australia said she had been diagnosed with terminal cancer. She began drinking her urine and recovered. Claude Jacot of Switzerland put up with 50 years of sinusitis. He began pouring urine into his nose every day and has not had a recurrence since. An initiate might find urine a touch salty with a potent aftertaste, but hardly rancid unless laced with lingering alcohol or pungent spices from the night before. But many skeptics hold their noses. "It is most wholesome but world opinion still considers it most unwholesome," U.S. chiropractor and urine therapist John Wynhausen said. Dr. R.D. Lele of Bombay's Jaslok Hospital says the urine movement lacks solid scientific proof to back its case. But he concedes there could be something to it. "When 600 people gather, whether or not you like it, you are certainly curious," he told the auto-urine conference. Van der Kroon says urine has not always been distasteful. In his book "The Golden Fountain: The Complete Guide to Urine Therapy," van der Kroon says each of us floated in amniotic fluid for nine months before being born. The fluid is made up largely of urine. In a 1747 book German author Johann Heinrich Zedler wrote: "One can best heal injuries to eyes with honey dissolved in the lightly boiled urine from a young man." In the 18th century, French and German doctors used it to treat jaundice, rheumatic disorders, gout, sciatica and asthma. Cannoniers used to keep a bucket of urine nearby. If a hand was burned during firing, a quick dip soothed the pain. British convert J.W. Armstrong treated 40,000 patients between 1925 and 1944 for ailments from cancer to tuberculosis. In the 1940s, German doctors gave urine enemas to children exposed to measles or small pox. Today, according to van der Kroon, Eskimo women use urine as a shampoo. Five million Germans indulge in urine therapy, many of them taking injections, according to Dr. Johann Abele. "It has spread over Germany like a huge wave," he said. Retired admiral Ramdas, head of India's navy between 1991 and 1993, first heard of the therapy in 1989 from a friend who said it cured her of kidney and liver failure. In perfect health but curious, he and his wife, Lalita, began drinking a daily glass of urine. "We take a maintenance dose of owne glass a day," said Lalita, who is president of the International Council of Adult Education based in Toronto. The 63-year-old retired admiral said he did not advertise the therapy but quietly told navy colleagues. "There was a predictable response. They were quizzical and very skeptical," he said. "But many started the practice." Ramdas, who has a daughter who drinks her urine, credits the therapy with helping him keep up a strenuous schedule. "There is nothing to be ashamed about. One only has to lower one's mental barrier which is a result of brain-washing as a child. It demands tremendous courage and will," said Ramdas. Companies have begun waking up to urine, Thomas says. Enzymes of America Holding Corp. has developed a filter that collects proteins found in male urine in 10,000 portable toilets owned by a subsidiary, PortaJohn. The U.S. firm is working on marketing urokinase, an enzyme found in urine that is used to dissolve blood clots and treat heart attack victims, van der Kroon said. "There is an annual market of $500 million for these types of substances," he said. Thomas says some drugs firms have caught on. In Shanghai urine is collected in public toilets, sold to pharmaceutical firms which extract urokinase and then exported. "Some firms in Europe are selling products like skin creams with ads saying, 'With urea in it!'" Thomas said. A Dutch firm mixes the urine of nuns with that of pregnant women to make a potion for sterile couples, van der Kroon said. Some say urine is the medicine of the future for billions of poor people without access to health care. "It is the cheapest form of medicine and you don't need doctors," Goan deputy chief minister Wilfred d'Souza said. Copyright 1996 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 27 14:35:03 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:35:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: Jerry Lives Message-ID: > Jerry Garcia, late lead singer of the Grateful Dead and > spiritual figure for millions of free thinkers, was > spotted recently in Yosemite National Park. The man who > spotted him, an acquaintance of mine, told me personally > that he shared a "smoke" with him. > > > Jerry said he faked his death for several reasons: > > 1. To leave an unhappy marriage and be with his > girlfriend. > > 2. To become anonymous and travel freely again. > > 3. Most importantly, to retire from the demands of the > record companies and tour promoters. > > > Yes, his wife does know, and has agreed to keep quiet in > return for the bulk of his estate. > > Yes, the other members of the Dead know, and wish their > friend the best. > > No, neither the authorities nor the record company know. > However, his label has discovered that Jerry's name and > creations are worth even more now that he's "gone," so > evidence that has been forwarded to them has been publicly > dismissed as a hoax, a la the Elvis sightings. > > Jerry wouldn't say what his next destination was, but > indicated that big cities were too dangerous for him. He > has shaved his beard and cut his hair. From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Mar 27 14:47:10 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 20:47:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Spirit Of The Age Message-ID: Hi >Wasn't the original spoken poem by Bob Calvert known >as "The Starfarer's Lament" Don't know Bernhard From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 27 14:55:34 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:55:34 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: The Brain Surgeons in Northampton Message-ID: For those interested in the Loud Festival going on April 17-20 in Northampton, Massachusetts, there is a web site with lots of details: http://www.baitfish.com/ Deb reported the other day that The Brain Surgeons will be there. Not only are they listed on the site as playing on April 20th, but both Al and Deborah are involved in some of the conferences going on there. According to the web site: FRIDAY 4/19 5. The Mechanics Of Putting Out Recorded Material So you've recorded your songs in a studio and now want to release them, or maybe you still need to record. Do you put it on cassette, vinyl or cd? Do you do it yourself or find a label to do it for you ? What can you expect from a record label? What can you expect from distribution ? * Aram Heller -Stanton Park * Pirate Jenny-Aimee * Debbie Lindsay-Local Music Store Distr. * Deborah Frost, Brain Surgeons SATURDAY 4/20 11. Managers, Lawyers, Bookies... What are the necessary components to a bands survival ? Do you need a manager ? Lawyer ? Booking Agent ? When does a band need extra help and how do you find it. What is right for you at the level you are at ? Fees, responsibilities, contracts, and more. * MODERATER: Chris Porter-Mama Kin booking agent * Deb Klein-Lawyer & label owner * Sam Brumbaugh-Booker & Manager * Dave Herlihy-Lawyer * Albert Bouchard-ex Blue Oyster Cult Not only will some good music be available, but the conferences with Al and Deb ought to be very interesting -- they have alot of experience in the business, and their input should lend alot to this festival. Check the web page for more details, including ticket info. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 27 15:00:46 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:00:46 EST Subject: OFF: Jerry Lives Message-ID: > > > Jerry Garcia, late lead singer of the Grateful Dead and > > spiritual figure for millions of free thinkers, was > > spotted recently in Yosemite National Park. The man who > > spotted him, an acquaintance of mine, told me personally > > that he shared a "smoke" with him. > > > > > > Jerry said he faked his death for several reasons: > > > > 1. To leave an unhappy marriage and be with his > > girlfriend. > > > > 2. To become anonymous and travel freely again. > > > > 3. Most importantly, to retire from the demands of the > > record companies and tour promoters. > > > > > > Yes, his wife does know, and has agreed to keep quiet in > > return for the bulk of his estate. > > > > Yes, the other members of the Dead know, and wish their > > friend the best. > > > > No, neither the authorities nor the record company know. > > However, his label has discovered that Jerry's name and > > creations are worth even more now that he's "gone," so > > evidence that has been forwarded to them has been publicly > > dismissed as a hoax, a la the Elvis sightings. > > > > Jerry wouldn't say what his next destination was, but > > indicated that big cities were too dangerous for him. He > > has shaved his beard and cut his hair. The king is dead...long live the king Meet the new boss, same as the old boss theo (lyrics used without permission--sue me, dickhead) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 27 15:23:11 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:23:11 EST Subject: OFF: Therapy! Message-ID: > Participants paid tribute to former Indian prime minister Morarji Desai, who > stunned the world when he disclosed that he drank a glass of his own urine > every day. He died last year at the age of 99. > You are what you eat [drink] --anonymous theo > From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 27 15:28:11 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:28:11 EST Subject: OFF: Therapy! Message-ID: > Some say urine is the medicine of the future for billions of poor people > without access to health care. "It is the cheapest form of medicine and you > don't need doctors," Goan deputy chief minister Wilfred d'Souza said. > > Copyright 1996 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Well, how about the opening sequence from 'Waterworld?' I don't know, though...Maybe it'll make you grow gills? I remember a long time ago reading about a dude on expedition in Africa. One of his guides got stung in the face by a snake and went blind. One of the group pissed on his eyes, and the sight returned! What up? theo From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Wed Mar 27 16:38:32 1996 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Brand) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:38:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Advice on used CDs In-Reply-To: <01I2TR04H7LY2964O9@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> Message-ID: Hello all... I just saw two used CDs by Hawkmembers, and I wanted to get some opinions on them before I make an investment. They are: Robert Calvert "Freq" Nik Turner "Sphynx" My favorite Hawkwind albums are QSC, Levitation, Black Sword, Sonic Attack, and to a degree HotMG and DFL. I could not stand the Astounding Sounds or PXR5 "sound" and I honestly didn't care much for the earlier albums (Hawkwind, In Search of Space, Space Ritual) although I may check out the remastered versions if I get a chance. Can anyone draw any general conclusions like, "If you hated PXR5, steer clear of Freq" or like that? Much appreciated, Brand ------------------------------- The Universe is a cellular automata system. visit The Courts of Chaos: | Its cell size is 10^33 cells per metre http://nickel.ucs.indiana.edu/ | Its frame rate is 10^43 FPS. ~khiller/home.html | And we're stuck inside it. -Jeff Lewis From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Mar 27 16:41:10 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:41:10 -0600 Subject: HW: If you have a Pendragon Misprint... Message-ID: If you have bought a Pendragon / Warrior misprint, Mike Coleman [who just now found out about it because I happened to bring it up] has *LOTS O' COOL HW STUFF* to trade for it... or he'll just buy it. If anybody has one, please contact Mike at (214)991-6621. He's rilly into collecting odd stuff like that. Damon From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Wed Mar 27 16:40:37 1996 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Brand) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:40:37 -0500 Subject: HW: Advice on used CDs (P.S.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oops, I forgot to mention that I can pick these CDs up for anyone on the list who is looking for them. Brand ------------------------------- The Universe is a cellular automata system. visit The Courts of Chaos: | Its cell size is 10^33 cells per metre http://nickel.ucs.indiana.edu/ | Its frame rate is 10^43 FPS. ~khiller/home.html | And we're stuck inside it. -Jeff Lewis From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Mar 27 17:10:08 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:10:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Advice on used CDs Message-ID: At 16:38 1996-03-27 -0500, you wrote: >Hello all... > >I just saw two used CDs by Hawkmembers, and I wanted to get some opinions >on them before I make an investment. > >They are: >Robert Calvert "Freq" >Nik Turner "Sphynx" > >My favorite Hawkwind albums are QSC, Levitation, Black Sword, Sonic >Attack, and to a degree HotMG and DFL. I could not stand the >Astounding Sounds or PXR5 "sound" and I honestly didn't care much for the >earlier albums (Hawkwind, In Search of Space, Space Ritual) although I >may check out the remastered versions if I get a chance. > >Can anyone draw any general conclusions like, "If you hated PXR5, steer >clear of Freq" or like that? I think you shall in this particular case save your money for the remasters. There's not much on this both like Black Sword, Sonic Attack or Levitation. _Freq_ is possible the weakest Calvert effort, along with _Test Tube Conceived_. I haven't heard _Sphynx_, but without being too afraid of having wrong - I say this must be the same as Turners band "Sphynx" (a few from Gong, a few from HW) playing _Xitintoday_ - and if I should describe this in a short sentence, this would be: "Nik playing flute in the Great Pyramid." Although I give both albums a spin now and then, and I do like 'em both - and Turner's "God Rock" is a gem! from the Xitintoday booklet: "Mayday Mayday Mayhem SOS across the cosmos A cry for help Eject from SS Hawkwind in deep space..." >Much appreciated, > >Brand \\joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Mar 27 17:10:07 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:10:07 +0100 Subject: HW: If you have a Pendragon Misprint... Message-ID: At 15:41 1996-03-27 -0600, you wrote: >If you have bought a Pendragon / Warrior misprint, Mike Coleman [who just >now found out about it because I happened to bring it up] has *LOTS O' >COOL HW STUFF* to trade for it... or he'll just buy it. If anybody has >one, please contact Mike at (214)991-6621. He's rilly into collecting >odd stuff like that. Tell him I can combinate those two items for a Hawkfan 12! ;0) >Damon \\joe From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Mar 27 17:12:30 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:12:30 EST Subject: OFF: CaptCloud unavail several days Message-ID: Sorry to abuse the list for this, but at least 8 BOC-Lers need to hear this. Due to my brother's imminent wedding this weekend, and the resulting hordes of familial members arriving tonight and later, I will be (mostly) offline until Monday or Tuesday. I will hopefully be able to check my msgs once or twice before next week, but please don't be upset if you don't get a rapid response from me for a few days. CHUCK/Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Mar 27 17:19:30 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:19:30 -0500 Subject: HW: If you have a Pendragon Misprint... Message-ID: but if I remember rightly, jill should have first dibs Martyn From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Mar 27 18:04:22 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:04:22 GMT Subject: HW: Nikwind USA Tour Dates (first draft) Message-ID: > > They also played the Emerald Centre, Hammersmith, London on 23/12/93 if > > I correctly remember the night I was concussed. Jill or Gordon may be > > able to confirm... > > > > I've got the ticket somewhere at home and can check this. I suspect > tho' it was the night of 22 Dec - the 23 Dec being the last day we > could get out of London and back to Edinburgh in time to recover and > rejoin respective families on Xmas Eve (I had to travel back down to the > West Country). And Gordon was trying to catch a plane to America as > I recall! It got complicated. > I think you're right Jill, because I remember that my car broke down on the way to that gig so I didn't make it and I had to get to Bristol the next day so I was in a bit of a panic. bye - Rob From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Mar 27 18:14:31 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:14:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Spirit Of The Age Message-ID: > > Wasn't the original spoken poem by Bob Calvert known >as "The Starfarer's Lament" > >Martyn > > I have this reading listed as " Starfarer's Dispatch " on the tape of Birmingham Kinetic Playground on 12 Dec. 71. Duane OBCD: Rusted Root - When I Woke -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Mar 27 19:07:22 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:07:22 -0500 Subject: HW: If you have a Pendragon Misprint... In-Reply-To: from "Le Monsieur Damon" at Mar 27, 96 03:41:10 pm Message-ID: Hey... > > If you have bought a Pendragon / Warrior misprint, Mike Coleman [who just > now found out about it because I happened to bring it up] has *LOTS O' > COOL HW STUFF* to trade for it... or he'll just buy it. If anybody has > one, please contact Mike at (214)991-6621. He's rilly into collecting > odd stuff like that. I think everyone should be sure to say *which* way they want their misprint to be....If I'm not mistaken, the pressings were completely reversed, such that there are 'Warrior' discs out there with Pendragon music on them, and likewise, 'Pendragon' discs out there with 'Warrior' music on them. A coupled set could be what collectors would be looking for.... We need some sort of common syntax to deliniate one from the other.... Not unlike 'Masters of the Universe' :) Keith H. P.S. I just saw a used ISoS (One Way) in the store today...many more to follow, perhaps??? From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Mar 27 20:39:13 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:39:13 -0600 Subject: HW: If you have a Pendragon Misprint... In-Reply-To: <199603280007.TAA24457@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Keith A Henderson wrote: > I think everyone should be sure to say *which* way they want their > misprint to be....If I'm not mistaken, the pressings were completely > reversed, such that there are 'Warrior' discs out there with Pendragon > music on them, and likewise, 'Pendragon' discs out there with 'Warrior' > music on them. A coupled set could be what collectors would be looking > for.... Well, I can pretty much guarantee that Mr. Coleman - in all of his kollecting splendor - will want at least one copy of each. Damon From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Mar 28 04:29:31 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:29:31 GMT Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: Jill wrote: > This was definitely resolved as Star Trek TNG - I remember someone even > saw the episode concerned. The question now is how do we record such > tidbits of info - if indeed we should do so? Footnotes? textual > notes? appendices? Shakespeare and TNG are easy enough to reference > but I wonder how many others are lurking unrecognised? Given how much collective knowledge the fans of the band have, esp on BOC-L, why not try to put together a sort of FAQ listing songs, meanings/stories (however disputed) and references. The references should be particularly interesting as so many of the songs relate to books, some to current events and others have samples such as this TNG thing. Given their ever-changing style and use of other areas of culture maybe HW will turn out to be the ultimate cultural magpies. Or not! Whatever, it makes a change from sad old hippies :-)) Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Mar 28 04:32:28 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:32:28 GMT Subject: OFF: Jerry Lives Message-ID: > > No, neither the authorities nor the record company know. > > However, his label has discovered that Jerry's name and > > creations are worth even more now that he's "gone," so > > evidence that has been forwarded to them has been publicly > > dismissed as a hoax, a la the Elvis sightings. In fact, AFAIK Jerry and Elvis have never been seen together. Conincidence or design - you decide. Personally I think that they're one and the same, but I also believe that Michael and LaToya Jackson are DIFFERENT people so what do I know ? Chris From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Mar 28 07:40:17 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 07:40:17 EST Subject: Alien lyrics - any more? Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:25:04 GMT Jill wrote: >Matt Curtis writes: > >> On 26 Mar 96 at 15:34, M Holmes posted the alien lyrics: >> >> > 2nd track - ALIEN >> > >> > "What kind of receiver would be capable of processing these signals?" >> > "A system designed to modify the electromagnetic spectrum and carry >> > those messages directly to the human brain" > > from something???? js> >> >> it's from a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode. >> >> -matt (good for vague tidbits of information which go nowhere) > >This was definitely resolved as Star Trek TNG - I remember someone even >saw the episode concerned. The question now is how do we record such >tidbits of info - if indeed we should do so? Footnotes? textual >notes? appendices? Shakespeare and TNG are easy enough to reference >but I wonder how many others are lurking unrecognised? Could you be talking about "multimodal reflection sorting"? It was used to detect the interactive subspace signals exchanged between Locutus and the Borg after Picard had been rescued. The year was 2367, the episode 'The Best of Both Worlds, Part II'. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Mar 28 07:52:12 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 07:52:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Covers project inlays viewable via WWW Message-ID: Captain Cloud mentioned recently the latest designs are now available for download as PostScript files (via anonymous ftp at csgrad.cs.vt.edu in pub/boc-l). Last time, many people complained about difficulties in viewing PostScript, so I converted them to GIFs and put them up on the WWW. So, for those interested, the updated covers are now available for perusal on updated WWW pages at "http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/paul/boc-l/". As Captain Cloud mentioned, tape 4's insert will likely undergo minor modifications due to last minute additions to the tape. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Kyuss, _Welcome to Sky Valley_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 28 08:05:52 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:05:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Advice on used CDs In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960327231155.044fb58a@eka.ericsson.se> from "Johan Edlundh" at Mar 27, 96 11:10:08 pm Message-ID: > >Nik Turner "Sphynx" > > I haven't heard _Sphynx_, but without being too afraid of having wrong - I > say this must be the same as Turners band "Sphynx" (a few from Gong, a few > from HW) playing _Xitintoday_ - and if I should describe this in a short > sentence, this would be: "Nik playing flute in the Great Pyramid." This would actually be the recent remake of this album by Nik Turner and Pressurehed. I haven't heard the original, so I can't compare. IMHO, _Sphynx_ is interesting, but not terribly Hawkwindy. The live versions of "God Rock" from the Nikwind shows I saw were better too ... Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 28 08:16:30 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:16:30 +0000 Subject: HW: (sort of) New Woronzow WWW page Message-ID: There's a new Woronzow Records WWW site, and is currently featuring a preview of the soon-to-be-released Ade Shaw (ex-Hawkwind) album. > Subject: New Web Page!!! > Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:00:31 -0000 > > we'd like to notify you that the NEW!! Woronzow Web Site is up and running,and last seen heading for the door... > So get it while it's hot!!! > You can find it at: > http://www.thenerve2.com/woronzow > Best Wishes, > Adrian Shaw, > Woronzow Records From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 28 08:19:25 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:19:25 GMT Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: Chris Bates's message of Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:29:31 GMT Message-ID: Chris Bates writes: > Given how much collective knowledge the fans of the band have, esp > on BOC-L, why not try to put together a sort of FAQ listing songs, > meanings/stories (however disputed) and references. The references > should be particularly interesting as so many of the songs relate > to books, some to current events and others have samples such as this > TNG thing. > > Given their ever-changing style and use of other areas of culture > maybe HW will turn out to be the ultimate cultural magpies. Or not! > Whatever, it makes a change from sad old hippies :-)) OK, I'll kick off with some. Maybe someone can keep track of 'em all. Clearly lots of Moorcock references to be listed (any Moorcock fans want to tie tracks to specific books?) The Iron Dream - title of a Norman Spinrad alternate worlds novel Lord of Light - title of Roger Zelazny SF novel based on the Hindu pantheon Damnation Alley - title of Roget Zelazny post-apocalyptic novel The War I Survived - based on Kurt Vonnegut's novel "Slaughterhouse Five" Ode to a Time Flower - based on an SF short story (need author and title) Ode to a Crystal Set - references to comic book space hero Dan Dare Dream Worker - intro has part of "Lord of the Rings" narration by Ian Holm (?) The Island - title from Aldous Huxley's novel of the same name? Ghost Dance - from a certain rebel indian tribe (details?) Jack of Shadows - based on Roger Zelazny's fantasy novel Uncle Sam's on Mars - contains samples of the Apollo 11 launch and President Nixon's "interplanetary" phone call to Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin during the first Moon landing. Also samples of the Eagle/Nasa radio exchange during touchdown. Spirit of the Age - contains Morse "SOS" signal Reefer Madness - based on 30's American anti-drugs film Right To Decide - based on incident in UK where angry householder shot a Council Planning Officer and a Policeman in front of TV cameras. Robot - based on Isaac Asimov's famous "Robot" stories. High Rise - Based on J.G.Ballard's novel of the same name. Quark, Strangeness, and Charm - many allusions to theories of Quantum Chromodynamics and Relativity From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 28 08:37:28 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:37:28 GMT Subject: HW: Codexing Message-ID: Can anyone help with the Ejection track on the Doremi remaster? It's classified as "never before released" which is apparently true but I'm trying to place it in a year context. It sounds very similar to the version on Hawkfan 12 (both Nik Turner and Huw Lloyd Langton feature) and Brian Tawn says that his was taken from the encore of a 1982 tour. So giving it a date of 1982 would seem reasonable but I've tried it against a few of the live 1982 tapes I've got and I'm not entirely convinced. It must fall between mid 1982 and Feb 1985 since Nik is playing. The later live versions seem to start more with Huw's guitar whereas the earlier live versions have a heavier guitar intro. Nik seems to sing most of the versions I've got but this one I *think* is Brock??? Nik's sax is audible whereas his voice is not. Grateful for assistance here! cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Mar 28 08:42:46 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:42:46 -0500 Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: Chris suggested: >Given how much collective knowledge the fans of the band have, esp >on BOC-L, why not try to put together a sort of FAQ listing songs, >meanings/stories (however disputed) and references. T I was thinking on these lines myself; in fact, I just spent a half-hour when I should have been working writing the following (I started with the Calvert era, for no particular reason): *Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music* Reefer Madness - title taken from circa 1940's anti-marijuana propaganda film Steppenwolf - book by Hermann Hesse *Quark, Strangeness and Charm* Damnation Alley - book by Roger Zelazny Quark, Strangeness and Charm - in fact, Einstein was married, and had several children including at least one outside his marriage; and of course, Copernicus made his discoveries before the invention fo the telescope Hassan I Sahba - leader of mediaeval Moslem sect known as the Hashishim, or "assassins", who used hashish to induce an ecstatic state; Black September was the name of a Palestinian terrorist organisation notorious for the massacre of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympic games; a "petrodollar" is a term for hard currency earned by oil producing countries. Days of the Underground - autobiographical piece about Hawkwind's early days; John the Bog and Smiling Mike were friends of the band. The Iron Dream - book by Norman Spinrad *25 Years On* Psi Power - refers to "Zener cards" used in attempts to measure telepathic phenomena; these cards are marked with symbols such as squares and triangles, which one subject will try and telepathically send to another Free Fall - 32 feet per second squared is the rate of accelartion due to gravity Flying Doctor - Australia's Flying Doctor service provides emergency medical care in the remote outback; a Percival Proctor is a light aircraft; a coolibah tree is a native Australian tree. *PXR5* Jack of Shadows - book by Roger Zelazny Robot - refers to Isaac Asimov's three laws of robotics High Rise - book by JG Ballard I'm happy to extend this and collate any contributions, if there's support? - Andy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 28 08:59:49 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:59:49 +0000 Subject: HW: Scoop on the new remasters? In-Reply-To: <9603281337.aa09419@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Mar 28, 96 01:37:28 pm Message-ID: > Can anyone help with the Ejection track on the Doremi remaster? Speaking of remasters, I've just got back on the list and have missed any discussion of them that may have taken place in the last week. Can someone summarize the reports on their worthwhile-ness? Cheers, Carl From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Mar 28 09:14:21 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:14:21 -0500 Subject: HW: Codexing Message-ID: Surely it's contemporary with Doremi (more or less)? Isn't that Calvert singing? Isn't that Lemmy and Simon King I hear? - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Mar 28 09:22:40 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:22:40 -0500 Subject: HW: Scoop on the new remasters? Message-ID: Carl asked: > Speaking of remasters, I've just got back on the list and have missed >any discussion of them that may have taken place in the last week. Can >someone summarize the reports on their worthwhile-ness? In summary? They rule!! I was sceptical in advance - I thought, OK, so they'll be in pretty boxes, and maybe they won't sound quite so muddy, but the easy way to make Hawkwind sound better is just turn it up, yawn yawn... BUT they give these albums a whole new lease of life, you'll hear stuff you never noticed before, they sound TERRIFIC when you rack up the volume, and the packaging is exactly as it should be, with lots of cool pictures and text. It's really good to be able to be totally, unreservedly enthusiastic about Hawkwind for a change! (Fans of Simon King (who isn't?) will particularly enjoy the clarity of the drum sound, and the way he looks so cool in all the band photos...) Don't believe me? Buy _Doremi_... - Andy From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 28 09:47:46 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:47:46 GMT Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:42:46 -0500 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > Chris suggested: > > >Given how much collective knowledge the fans of the band have, esp > >on BOC-L, why not try to put together a sort of FAQ listing songs, > >meanings/stories (however disputed) and references. T > > I was thinking on these lines myself; in fact, I just spent a half-hour when > I should have been working writing the following (I started with the Calvert > era, for no particular reason): > > *Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music* > > Reefer Madness - title taken from circa 1940's anti-marijuana propaganda film > Steppenwolf - book by Hermann Hesse > > > *Quark, Strangeness and Charm* > > Damnation Alley - book by Roger Zelazny > Quark, Strangeness and Charm - in fact, Einstein was married, and had several > children including at least one outside his marriage; and of course, > Copernicus made his discoveries before the invention fo the telescope > Hassan I Sahba - leader of mediaeval Moslem sect known as the Hashishim, or > "assassins", who used hashish to induce an ecstatic state; Black September > was the name of a Palestinian terrorist organisation notorious for the > massacre of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympic games; a "petrodollar" is a > term for hard currency earned by oil producing countries. > Days of the Underground - autobiographical piece about Hawkwind's early days; > John the Bog and Smiling Mike were friends of the band. > The Iron Dream - book by Norman Spinrad > > > *25 Years On* > > Psi Power - refers to "Zener cards" used in attempts to measure telepathic > phenomena; these cards are marked with symbols such as squares and triangles, > which one subject will try and telepathically send to another > Free Fall - 32 feet per second squared is the rate of accelartion due to > gravity > Flying Doctor - Australia's Flying Doctor service provides emergency medical > care in the remote outback; a Percival Proctor is a light aircraft; a > coolibah tree is a native Australian tree. > > > *PXR5* > > Jack of Shadows - book by Roger Zelazny > Robot - refers to Isaac Asimov's three laws of robotics > High Rise - book by JG Ballard > > > I'm happy to extend this and collate any contributions, if there's support? I reckon we oughta put together a dictionary of Komplete Hawkwind References. Entries something like: WORD/PHRASE blahblah blahblah TRACK tuntetun ALBUM thingummy REFERENCE texttextext textetext if we do it in this format we can bung it into a bibliographic package and play with the print formats. It should be good for an article in Hawkfan/Kadu-Flyer/Hawkeye or something and would be kinda neat to have in the archives. Anyone wanna volunteer to keep track of contributions? If they keep 'em in the above format, I'll volunteer to do any 'puting..... > - Andy FoFP From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Thu Mar 28 09:31:45 1996 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:31:45 -0500 Subject: Space Rock on Boston radio Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:45:00 -0500 > From: "Scott Heller (617) 724-7762" > > HW and space rock will be on the air on Wed April 3rd on 88.1 WMBR in > Cambridge MA. I plan to play: Vagtazo Hallotekemek, Bevis Frond, HW, > Arc Met, Ozrics, White Heaven, Sundial, Monster Magnet, Spacious Mind, > Kingston Wall, Carl's band, and of course the BRAIN SURGEONS! If > there is time I will squeeze in a few other bands. obLookingForMy10MinutesOfFameAnywayICanFindIt> Can I request Ossian's Ride from "Carl's band"? :-) David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) Why try holding back the wave? You'll only drown in the changes. You've got to learn to let go. Just let go and experience the flight. Try to see from a different side. If balance is the key, maybe we'll see A future understanding. - "My Global Mind" - QUEENSRYCHE From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Mar 28 10:27:53 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:27:53 -0500 Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: >Chris Bates writes: >Damnation Alley - title of Roget Zelazny post-apocalyptic novel Made into a film, not very good... >Ghost Dance - from a certain rebel indian tribe (details?) certain tribe? rebel? Hmmmm. The ghost dance was a ritual dance which was supposed to get rid of the white man completely, its followers were basically going to dance until that happened. It gained momentimum, spread throughout reservations in the remnants of indian tribes in the great plains, until it was brutally quelled by the U.S. army (did they actually fear something?), it's leaders imprisoned or killed... It is viewed as a classic response by a society facing annihilation, I remember it from a sociology class. I think there was another song by 'Simple Minds' on the same topic... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Mar 28 10:48:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:48:00 EST Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: >Ghost Dance - from a certain rebel indian tribe (details?) >certain tribe? rebel? Hmmmm. The ghost dance was a ritual dance which >was supposed to get rid of the white man completely, its followers were >basically going to dance until that happened. It gained momentimum, spread >throughout reservations in the remnants of indian tribes in the great plains, until it >was brutally quelled by the U.S. army (did they actually fear something?), it's leaders >imprisoned or killed... It is viewed as a classic response by a society facing >annihilation, I remember it from a sociology class. I think there was another song by >'Simple Minds' on the same topic... >Andrew A. Apold, The Ghost Dance was supposed to raise the dead warrior spirits who would then go into the live warriors bodies and render them invincible to the weapons of the white man. The Battle at Wounded Knee was where the dance empowered Indians attacked as the 1st step to remove the blight from their land. Never got to the 2nd step due to acute lead poisoning. Space Rock from Cambridge - "Ossian's Ride" by Carl (Wah Wah) Anderson's unpronounceable band (maybe if you're Swedish it is) should be on the play list. I heard the version before his sister got at it and it is really good. With space noise added, can't go wrong. Rudy From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 28 11:29:51 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:29:51 GMT Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:47:46 GMT Message-ID: > > WORD/PHRASE Text of Festival > TRACK > ALBUM compilataion album title > REFERENCE taken from book of the same name written by Mick Farren of Deviants (and other bands) fame. jill obproblem> carrying loads of static electricity around with me these days - electronic equipment beware 8-( Anyone know how best to earth myself before touching anything? Sheest. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Mar 28 12:18:45 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:18:45 -0500 Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: Mike said >Anyone wanna volunteer to keep track of contributions? I thought I already did! Keep 'em coming, folks - anyone wanna give me a concise summary of the story behind "Right to Decide", f'rinstance? - Andy From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Thu Mar 28 12:27:31 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:27:31 EST Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: Another band who covered the topic of the "Ghost Dance" was The Cult on their 1983 EP _Death Cult_. "Free me from my enemies and give me confidence and pride..." "The circle lies in the square. Not understanding. Gradually gain in inches. The dark corners are closing in... they're out there watching." I've never heard the HW/Nik or whatever version, but you really can't go wrong with a mystical topic like the ghost dance. Brian From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Mar 28 12:43:23 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:43:23 GMT Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: > > Another band who covered the topic of the "Ghost Dance" was The Cult on > their 1983 EP _Death Cult_. > "Free me from my enemies and give me confidence and pride..." > "The circle lies in the square. Not understanding. Gradually gain > in inches. The dark corners are closing in... they're out there > watching." > Ian Astbury always did have an American Indian fixation, check out the cover of the 'Electric' LP. There was also a goth band called Ghost Dance during the eighties, but I can't remember what they were like. bye - Rob From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Thu Mar 28 12:47:40 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:47:40 -0600 Subject: HW: Covers pics on Paul's page Message-ID: Wow. I've not been able to view these (no Post Script printers around), and I just have to say they're wonderful!!!! Thanks Chuck for doing such a great job, and Paul for putting them up there for all to see. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Thu Mar 28 12:56:07 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:56:07 -0600 Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: <9603281629.aa06405@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, J Strobridge wrote: > > > > WORD/PHRASE Text of Festival > > > TRACK > > ALBUM compilataion album title > > REFERENCE taken from book of the same name written by Mick Farren > of Deviants (and other bands) fame. > > > jill > > > obproblem> carrying loads of static electricity around with me these days - > electronic equipment beware 8-( Anyone know how best to earth myself > before touching anything? Sheest. > > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > there is some anti-static spray you can get - maybe from a computer store. other than that stop wearing sweaters and shuffling your feet 8-] WORD/PHRASE stonehenge decoded TRACK stonehenge decoded ALBUM this is hw do not panic REFERENCE title of book by Gerald S. HAWKINS published in 1965. mainly it is scientific theories about the use of stonehenge. -just had to reshelve this book today while working in the library -coincidence - i think not -mike psyche From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Mar 28 13:04:30 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:04:30 +0100 Subject: HW: TP venues Message-ID: Hi folks Here they are. Some of the venues from the TP boot. More later - Brainstorm: USA May 1991 - Paranoia: ??? - Down Through The Night: USA 1989 - You Shouldn't Do That: Boulder 23.04.1995 - Urban Guerilla: Boulder 23.04.1995 -Only Dreamning Cologne 13.11.1994 - Born To Go Spring 1984 - 10 Sec. Of Foreever Spring 1984 - 7 By 7 Brighton 24.04.1992 - Time We Left Brighton 24.04.1992 - Master Of The Universe Absolute no idea, maybe 1993 - Be Yourself Glasgow 11.12.1992 (?) - Sonic Attac London 22.04.1988 - Silver Machine Bradford 13.10.1981 - Welcome Absolute no idea Bernhard From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 28 13:57:30 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 18:57:30 GMT Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:47:46 GMT Message-ID: Just been exploring my faq file: I seem to have kept more than I realised! I'll check the Shakspeare refs. some other time! jill ======================================================================== > Entries something like: > WORD/PHRASE : Black Elk TRACK :Black Elk Speaks ALBUM : Space Bandits REFERENCE : And while I seem to be on slightly off-beat subjects here's some info about Black Elk I found while browsing through backissues of Hawkfan: "BLACK ELK SPEAKS by John G. Neihardt... this book is listed here because of its connection with the Space Bandits album - namely the track Black Elk Speaks. The book is the life story of Black Elk, a Holy Man of the Oglala Sioux Indians, who was second cousin to Crazy Horse. A chance to read the Indian viewpoint of the battle with Custer, the ghost dance (which inspired the Hawkwind track of that name) and the Wounded Knee massacre. Neihardt also recorded some of Black Elk's words onto tape and it is from those that Neihardt's voice appears on Space Bandits" WORD/PHRASE : Heads TRACK : Heads ALBUM : various REFERENCE : Ken Alexander writes: >> I just got a book by Greg Bear called _Heads_. It appears to involve an >> attempt to read the brains of 400 cryogenically frozen dead heads. >> What, if anything, is the connection between these two? Date: Wed, 27 Jul 1994 00:08:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Braun Subject: Re: heads > >Words from the 1988 Hawkwind tour prog and there are images all round >the text of the band members' heads all sitting on metal plates and >wired up to some complex machinery. The first use of heads I saw was in the (too cool) Sci-Fi comic "Nexus", back in 1981-82. Initially published by Capital comics (in Madison, WI) it moved to First Comics (in Chicago) for about 80 issues, and now to Dark Horse Comics. It's written by Mike Baron, and was initially illustrated by Steve Rude. In the first three issues, we learned the story of Clausius The Slaver, who kidnapped beings, and chopped off their bodies. Once a head was free of its body, it gained psychic and other abilities. Some heads became insanely great stellar navigators. Some just became insane. Sane or not, Clausius kept the heads, putting each in its own liquid- filled glass helmet, and wired 'em all together. Among the heads' "other abilities" was the ability to cast and channel "fusion energy" from the stars. This energy could power ships or weapons. Clausius wired thousands of heads from hundreds of races together on his ship in an attempt to harness enough energy to destroy Nexus (our hero). The attempt failed, when the conduit (Clausius himself) overloaded and burned up. Nexus freed the heads. Most were mounted on small flying platforms. Many got mechanical (flying) hands, and could psychically controlled them. Although offered asylum on "Ylum" (Nexus' base of operations) they left to find their own home. This didn't take long, as another of the heads' abilities was using the energy for terra-forming. With this power, they formed "the Headworld". Anyway... WORD/PHRASE : Dangerous Visions TRACK : Dangerous Visions (lyrics by HLL) ALBUM : oops REFERENCE : sf book edited by Harlan Ellison WORD/PHRASE : World of Tiers - Philip Jose Farmer TRACK : World of Tiers ALBUM : PXR5 REFERENCE : sf book by Philip Jose Farmer WORD/PHRASE : The Black Corridor TRACK : The Black Corridor ALBUM : Space Ritual Alive REFERENCE : book/story by Mike Moorcock & Hilary Bailey WORD/PHRASE : Slaughterhouse 5 TRACK : The War I Survived ALBUM : REFERENCE : brief reference to Kurt Vonnegut's book Slaughterhouse 5 WORD/PHRASE : Brainstorm TRACK : Brainstorm ALBUM : various REFERENCE : From: Alun Hughes >> There's an sf novel called _Brainstorm_ : can't remember who it's by >> just now, but I'm sure it has as much connection with the HW song as >> David Karp's _One_ has with Metallica's... LoC gives _Brainstorm_ as by Walter Dean Myers, published in 1977. The blurb goes like this: "FORTIA, the army of the world in the year 2076, investigates a powerful, sinister ray that beams to earth from the planet Suffes causing people to lose their minds." aaargh. WORD/PHRASE : Master of the Universe TRACK : Master of the Universe ALBUM : many and various REFERENCE : From: Alun Hughes > >I would be curious, sometime, to put together a full history of the >phrase "master(s) of the universe", including 'Awkwind, He-Man and Tom >Wolfe... > >- Andy For good measure, I also checked "Master of the Universe" in the LoC title sequence, and there is indeed such a title, by Carl K. Urban, published 1979. The LOC subject heading is "Spiritual Life". aaargh again! WORD/PHRASE : Agents of Chaos TRACK : ALBUM : title of an album by Dave Brock and Crum REFERENCE : From: M Wright Subject: Books with HW connection There is a pulp SF book entitled 'The Agents of Chaos', by someone I cannot remember [but I think it is a known SF author], that deals with a band of anarchists attempting to change a world to anarchy. I t was written in the sixties, I think, and was interesting enough to make me think that Dave might have read the book and been impressed with it enough to name the album after it, rather than it being a process of parallel evolution. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 28 14:08:02 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:08:02 GMT Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:18:45 -0500 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > I thought I already did! Keep 'em coming, folks - anyone wanna give me a > concise summary of the story behind "Right to Decide", f'rinstance? > ack - I forgot this one!! jill ========================================================================== Entries something like: WORD/PHRASE : Right to Decide TRACK : Right to Decide ALBUM : it is the biz REFERENCE : A house, a council, a bulldozer and a shooting Albert Dryden, idiosyncratic gentleman with an interest in ballistics (he was detained on firearm offences c.1957 and in the 1960s for trying to launch a homemade self-constructed rocket from his back garden) worked in the Consett steelmill which was shutdown in about 1989. With his redundancy money he bought a smallholding and started trying to get planning permission. I don't know what this involved, nor do I know the details of what happened while he was trying to do this but in the end he ended up building a shed (which was legit), a greenhouse (which I'm not sure about - there may have been another one too), and a bungalow which he built in a 20ft deep hollow that he dug out by himself. Again, I don't know details (the trial reports were in newspapers which were not available on the open shelves having already been archived) but he claimed that he was given a letter of permission and that one of the councillors had helped him to lay out foundations for one of the greenhouses. However the council clearly seems to have considered his bungalow illegal. It was however not until after he had completed it (at least the roof was complete) that they finally moved into demolish the building. The police apparently advised Harry Collinson to move in at night and take Dryden by surprise. However Collinson insisted that Dryden be told of the exact day and hour of the arrival of the bulldozers, apparently so that he could leave with dignity. This, unfortunately, turned out to be a serious error of honesty since Dryden, although surrounded by newspaper men, TV cameras, video recorders and journalists (or perhaps because of this, I'm not sure) met the councillor with a gun in hand and shot him several times at point blank range. The bungalow has now been demolished by Dryden's friends and relatives at his own request. > - Andy ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 28 14:13:00 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:13:00 GMT Subject: HW: ** LONG ARTICLE ** everything there is to know In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:47:46 GMT Message-ID: ***** WARNING *** (this one is long) And this one - of course: =========================================================== WORD/PHRASE : Orgone Accumulator TRACK : Orgone Accumulator ALBUM : Doremi REFERENCE : Invention by Dr Reich From: Paul Mather Subject: Orgone. [long] Stephen Swann writes: > Paul Mather once posted an extended explanation of the historical background > for Orgone. As I recall, a mad (or perhaps crafty) 18th century doctor > claimed that it was a source of physical/spiritual energy and wellbeing that > permeated the atmosphere, albeit rarified. His invention, the "Orgone > Accumulator" was a box which supposedly allowed Orgone to enter, but not to > leave, and so by remaining within the accumulator for extended periods of > time, you would allow a great concentration of Orgone to suffuse your body > and thereby increase your health/strength etc... Mostly right. Sadly I don't have the original posting to hand so here is (a better) one from memory... The 18th century doctor was in fact the 20th century psychiatrist Dr. Willhelm Reich. Reich is quite a remarkable fellow in a tragic sort of way. He ended his life in a US jail, dead of a "broken heart" after his books had been burned and he'd been imprisoned over his life's work, orgone. Reich started his career in Europe where he was born. He worked closely with Freud but had a bust-up with him and ended up moving to the USA to pursue his ideas. Rather like Freud, Reich believed that sex and the psyche were inextricably linked and upto moving to the US he'd formed several theories along this line such as his theory of "muscular armour." I guess Reich's ideas from this period could be summed up as "people are at their best when having sex." :-) If I recall correctly, a big difference with Reich's theories (as compared to, say, Freud) is that Reich became comvinced that sex had not only an effect on the psyche but on the entire nervous system. In the US he continued with his research into "bions" which eventually led to Reich's most profound discovery---that of orgone. As has been said in other posts, orgone, so Reich held, was a basic essence of all organic life. It was virtually invisible to the naked eye, except when in concentration in darkened surroundings in which case it was a faintly bluish aura. Reich invented the orgone accumulator in order to concentrate orgone from the surrounding area. Reich embarked upon a vigorous research programme into the properties of orgone based upon his theories about it. Because it was the basic "essence" of living matter, orgone depletion led to ill-health and even death. Reich discovered that ill or depressed people showed remarkable recovery when using the orgone accumulator. (Treatment involved sessions where the patient simply sat inside the accumulator for upwards of half an hour.) Buoyed on by his success, Reich began treating ever more serious ailments with the accumulator, including serious cancers and other terminal illnesses. Reich was startled to discover a large number of the patients go into remission, even become cured. Convinced now of the accumulators powers, Reich began to sell them. Initially he sold them to patients he was treating but later began to advertise and sell them generally. This was to be his downfall. Meanwhile Reich's research into orgone continued. The more he looked into it the more wondrous he found it to be. However, it wasn't until a lab accident occurred involving a radioactive source that he discovered a sinister side to orgone. Mysteriously Reich's lab assistants all fell ill, some (including his wife) very seriously so. I believe one of the experiments he was running at the time was to observe the interaction of orgone on a radium source inside an accumulator. Eventually Reich tracked down the illnesses to this experiment. Reich concluded that the radioactivity had reacted with the orgone inside the accumulator to produce (I think) negative orgone energy. In contrast to the health-infusing properties of orgone, negative orgone was a destructive force and dangerous to organic life. This discovery was to play a prominent role in Reich's future. As a spinoff from this discovery, Reich invented the "cloudbuster." This was a collection of a dozen or so metal pipes (arranged together rather like a barrels of a gatling gun) mounted on a rotating platform. From the pipes led a metal "earth wire." When the earth wire was placed in a water source, the pipes served to narrowly focus the orgone energy, directing it at the target it was pointed at. Reich found in trials of the cloudbuster that he could both cause clouds to form and also to make them disperse. He conducted rigorous tests, even in desert terrain, and reported rainfall occurring or at the very least, clouds forming on each occasion. His new discovery excited him because it spelled the end of drought in the USA. Meanwhile, whilst he was working on the cloudbuster (and before) the Food and Drug Administration had become aware and had taken an interest in Reich's vending of orgone accumulators. (The success of the orgone accumulator had led Reich to begin selling them in more than just his home state, hence the federal interest.) They were to say the least skeptical of the claims made for the accumulator and wanted Reich to provide scientific evidence to back him up. Reich had no time at all for these "pests" and simply ignored them. He did, nevertheless, try to interest the government in his cloudbuster though they declined to attend any demonstrations. Furious, he threatened to flood the entire eastern seaboard to prove himself no charlatan as claimed by them. However, even this dramatic act brought him no support. (Strangely enough on the date Reich said he'd "flood" the east, greater-than-average freak rainfall did indeed fall in many eastern parts, though not the "flood" that Reich had promised.) It was when Reich was working with the cloudbuster that he made one of his most startling discoveries. One night he was out watching the stars. He'd known for a while that the sky was permeated with orgone and had conjectured that space must be also. Indeed, to his delight he noticed that most of the stars had a bluish aura to them. However, this one night he noticed something strange. He'd never looked closely before but now he noticed that not all the stars were like this and that one or two were pure white. Idly Reich pointed the cloudbuster at one of these and to his amazement he saw it fizzle out!!! After experimentation Reich came to the horrific conclusion that the "white" stars were not stars at all but UFOs! This led directly to the development of Reich's "space gun", basically a cloudbuster designed to shoot down UFOs. As with the cloudbuster, Reich threw himself into this new discovery. However, this time Reich realised the stakes were much higher. He reasoned that the advent of the atom bomb, and all the a-bomb tests had caused a massive rise in "deadly orgone radiation" (the negative orgone energy) and this weakened state had drew the space aliens. Fortunately, Reich had discovered a way of combatting them in the nick of time. In effect, Reich was fighting to save the world!! Reich built several space guns and he and his colleagues manned them in the war against the aliens. Surprisingly, the US government declined both to heed his warning of impending doom or to lend tangible support. However, once when he was out with one of the guns he saw a US fighter flying high overhead in the general direction of a group of UFOs he was firing at. Reich realised then that Communist infiltrators in the US High Command had prevented President Eisenhower from lending him help, and that this lone plane was a signal from the President of his tactit, albeit powerless approval. Though the battle was hard fought, and took a severe toll on Reich's own psychical and mental health, he managed to fight off the space aliens. Little did he know that he had further battles to fight... The FDA case against him had been building and building. They'd taken a grudge against him because of the way he largely ignored them and this had made them yet more tenacious. Eventually they brought him to trial. It was a bad time for Reich and at the trial, against the advice of his counsel, he defended and thereby destroyed himself. Consumed by paranoia he railed against everyone, making wild accusations about how the "Communist-infested" government was out to get him, how the whole trial was a sham, how these "cretins" couldn't understand or accept the importance of orgone, and so on and so on... In the end the court ruled against Reich and judged that selling orgone accumulators across state lines was an offence in this case and sentenced him to a short jail term. In addition, the court ruled that all advertising or promotional material relating to orgone be destroyed. The FDA were rather over-zealous in carrying out this part of the ruling and seized *all* of Reich's published works (even his philosophical writings) and carted them off down to the incinerator and burned them. The judgement turned out to be a mortal blow to Reich, one that he never recovered from. Despite frequent visits from his family and friends his depression deepened until he eventually died in jail, a broken man, his genius unrecognised. Today many of Reich's theories on child-rearing are standard practice and Reichian analysis is an established form of psychotherapy. Only now are people realising the true genius of Dr. Willhelm Reich. Err... I guess so now you know... :-) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Thu Mar 28 14:24:17 1996 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:24:17 -0900 Subject: HW: everything there is (PXR5) In-Reply-To: <960328121844_457091997@mail02.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Here is a question someone may be able to answer regarding the lyrics to the song PXR5. Around 1977 there was a Dr. Who episode titled "Underworld" in which a starship named the P7E was at the end of a 100,000 year quest to find the genetic race banks of their species, which were stored on another ship which went missing. The P7E was gradually deteriorating from its age, and the crew (genetically altered to be immortal) were extremely weary after so many years of fruitless searching. Does anyone know if there is a connection between this story and PXR5? -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 28 14:42:18 1996 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:42:18 GMT Subject: HW: Remasters and WOTEOT In-Reply-To: (from Jon Browne ) (at Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:23:03 +0000) Message-ID: > > These are excellent re-issues > >IMO > > >jill > > > > One question remains unanswered. (or even unasked) > > If you're going to do such a thourough job on these 5 albums, > why omit the sixth and final one? > I think that Thorn-EMI group own Virgin Records and that Virgin owned Charisma (certainly on the evidence of some Gabriel and Genesis issues). If anyone knows better I would be interested. I am clinging to the hope that this means EMI will release another batch of five to take us to the end of the Charisma releases. Maybe we should write to them and tell them how good these are and put the idea into their heads. Anyone know an e-mail address ? CD at the moment remastered Space Ritual - Fabulous From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 28 14:09:21 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:09:21 +0000 Subject: HW: Scoop on the new remasters? In-Reply-To: <960328092240_258112914@mail06> from "Andy Gilham" at Mar 28, 96 09:22:40 am Message-ID: > > Speaking of remasters, I've just got back on the list and have > missed > >any discussion of them that may have taken place in the last week. Can > >someone summarize the reports on their worthwhile-ness? > > In summary? They rule!! > [... T]hey give these albums a whole new lease of life, you'll hear stuff you > never noticed before, they sound TERRIFIC when you rack up the volume, and > the packaging is exactly as it should be, with lots of cool pictures and > text. It's really good to be able to be totally, unreservedly enthusiastic > about Hawkwind for a change! > Don't believe me? Buy _Doremi_... Oh no! Now I'm going to want to _buy_ these *outrageously* priced discs .... _Doremi_ would be a good starting place, since I don't have my old copy with me, but then one really feels an obligation to get _Space Ritual_ since it is so incredibly cool ..... Cheers, Carl From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Mar 28 14:49:05 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:49:05 GMT Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: > =========================================================================== > Entries something like: > > WORD/PHRASE : Right to Decide > > TRACK : Right to Decide > ALBUM : it is the biz > REFERENCE : A house, a council, a bulldozer and a shooting > Errr....sorry to be picky, but RTD was on Electric Teepee wasn't it? bye - Rob From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Mar 28 15:10:00 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:10:00 -0500 Subject: HW: Stacia, errrr, Static! In-Reply-To: <9603281629.aa06405@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Mar 28, 96 04:29:51 pm Message-ID: > > > obproblem> carrying loads of static electricity around with me these days - > electronic equipment beware 8-( Anyone know how best to earth myself > before touching anything? Sheest. > Heh-heh, one of the things that I have had training on as of late... 1. Eliminate synthetic fiber-based clothing. Wear cotton. That includes, errr, the unmentionables. (Nylon/silk/rayon rubbing against another material generates a potentital difference). 2. Raise the humidity level. Dry air creates static. 3. Use hand/skin lotion. Increases moisture level. 4. Wear proper shoes. Rubber-soled shoes help prevent the build-up of static. (You can also buy these wonderful little "shoe grounders" that fit over your street shoes that bleed off the charge. And they look real high-tech/dorky, too!) 5. Use Static Guard spray (found in the laundry section of your grocery store) on your clothes, surroundings, etc. Also, be sure and use fabric softener in the wash to eliminate static. (ESD [electro-static discharge] trivia: pink anti-static material derives its' colour from plain ol' everyday liquid fabric softener! That's the secret ingredient!) 6. Touch an exposed part of the frame of the equipment, prior to handling any sensitive part of the equipment. 7. Wear a grounding strap. Attach it to ground (earth) point before touching any sensitive hardware. Sorry, got carried away, but when you handle boards that cost in excess of US$ 35,000.00 (_our_ cost!!), you take a few extra precautions... > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Thu Mar 28 15:45:20 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:45:20 -0500 Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: ---------- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC >Subject: Re: HW: everything there is to know >Date: Thursday, March 28, 1996 7:08PM > > >Andy Gilham writes: > > >> I thought I already did! Keep 'em coming, folks - anyone wanna give me a >> concise summary of the story behind "Right to Decide", f'rinstance? >> > >>ack - I forgot this one!! > >>jill > > Wow, great reading material. Looking forward to see this new FAQ develop. Anyone think of gathering all this stuff together in sort of a 'Hawkbase' publication sort of like the 'Deadbase' thing the Deadheads use? The 'everytime a song was played' section would be useful to weed out those incorrectly labeled tapes, although a huge undertaking. Chris From Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Thu Mar 28 15:45:27 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:45:27 -0500 Subject: HW: Remasters and WOTEOT Message-ID: >> > These are excellent re-issues >> >IMO >> >> >jill >> > >> >> One question remains unanswered. (or even unasked) >> >> If you're going to do such a thourough job on these 5 albums, >> why omit the sixth and final one? >> > >I think that Thorn-EMI group own Virgin Records and that Virgin owned >Charisma (certainly on the evidence of some Gabriel and Genesis issues). >If anyone knows better I would be interested. > >I am clinging to the hope that this means EMI will release another batch of >five to take us to the end of the Charisma releases. > >Maybe we should write to them and tell them how good these are and put the >idea into their heads. Anyone know an e-mail address ? > >CD at the moment remastered Space Ritual - Fabulous > Sorta off the topic but I was wondering if anyone know what the status of Choose your Masques was as in is it ever going to be released on CD? Chris the Curious From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Thu Mar 28 16:30:48 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:30:48 -0600 Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: "Stier, Christopher" "Re: HW: everything there is to know" (Mar 28, 3:45pm) Message-ID: Stier, Christopher wrote: > Wow, great reading material. Looking forward to see this new FAQ develop. > Anyone think of gathering all this stuff together in sort of a 'Hawkbase' > publication sort of like the 'Deadbase' thing the Deadheads use? The > 'everytime a song was played' section would be useful to weed out those > incorrectly labeled tapes, although a huge undertaking. I have the song database based on the tape list that Bernhard Pospiech sent out in February. The list is sorted by song and gives all the dates and venues for each song. The final list has 8760 lines and is over 430K in size. I have been meaning to get in touch with Bernhard to send him some corrections to his list (mistyped names, etc.), but I have been rather busier than anticipated. Since the list is so large, I didn't just post it. If people are interested, I could break it into pieces and post it that way. Alternately, I could send the list back to Bernhard so he can keep it in sync with his tape list. Translating Bernhard's tape list into my song list required lots of Emacs hacking, a Perl script, a few Unix commands, and a bit of hand tweaking to recover from inconsistencies. Sending out scripts to do the conversion would not be practical at this time. Let me know what people want to see. Any thoughts, Bernhard? Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 I bought some batteries, but they weren't included. -- Stephen Wright From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Thu Mar 28 16:37:22 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:37:22 -0500 Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: Another one I haven't seen anyone mention is 'Fahrenheit 451', unfortunately I can't remember the details - its a book by ?? and also a film by ??? Cheers, Steve L. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Mar 28 16:49:07 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:49:07 -0500 Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: Well, I spent an hour or so on this *before* I read Mike's suggestion on layout. so it's in album order :( (Still, I guess I can write a macro or something). I've incorporated Jill's and other's posts but not the whole scoop on Orgone (although I'd want to put that in a proper version!). And I hadn't the energy to write an explanation of the Eternal Champion for Warrior & Black Sword. Anyway, here goes, Hawkrefs v0.01: __________ *Doremi Fasol Latido* Lord of Light - title of book by Roger Zelazny, in which the rulers of a colony planet use technological means to assume the aspects of the Hindu pantheon. Urban Guerrilla - reference to the Beatles' "Why don't we do it in the road". "Two-tone panther" is a pun on the Black Panthers, the White Panthers, and other pressure groups. *Space Ritual* Orgone Accumulator - refers to the scientific theories of Dr Wilhelm Reich. In his theory, "orgone" was a vital force, permeating the universe, which could be collected in "orgone boxes", and used to cure certain diseases. This theory failed to gain widespread acceptance. Ten Seconds of Forever - "the vermilion deserts of Mars, the jewelled forests of Venus" are popular views of those planets in pulp science fiction until the 1970's. *Hall of the Mountain Grill* The Mountain Grill was an inexpensive restaurant in Notting Hill, London, frequented by members of Hawkwind around this time. Popular dishes included beans on toast (as in "The legend of Beenzon Toste"). *Warrior on the Edge of Time* Assault and Battery - the lines "Lives of great men... sands of time" are taken from a poem by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. Opa-Loka - Opa-Locka (with a "c") is the name of a town in Florida, USA. Kings of Speed - Mister (Jerry) C(ornelius), Frank (Cornelius) and (Bishop) Beasley are all characters from several of Michael Moorcock's novels Motorhead - "Motorhead" is a slang term for a user of amphetamines. *Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music* Reefer Madness - title taken from circa 1940's anti-marijuana propaganda film Steppenwolf - book by Hermann Hesse. The German "Ich weiss nicht, was ich sagen soll" translates as "I do not know what I should say". *Quark, Strangeness and Charm* Damnation Alley - book by Roger Zelazny; in a post-apocalyptic future, biker Hell Tanner is recruited to transport a serum across the wasteland of North America. Unsatisfactorily filmed starring George Peppard. "Dr Strangelove, or how we learned to stop worrying and love the bomb" is the title of a film by Stanley Kubrick, in which the eponymous Doctor is a mad scientific advisor to the President, and appears to relish the prospect of nuclear war. Quark, Strangeness and Charm - in fact, Einstein was married, and had several children including at least one outside his marriage; and Copernicus made his discoveries before the invention of the telescope. Hassan I Sahba - leader of mediaeval Moslem sect known as the Hashishim, or "assassins", who used hashish to induce an ecstatic state; Black September was the name of a Palestinian terrorist organisation notorious for the massacre of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympic games; a "petrodollar" is a term for hard currency earned by oil producing countries. Days of the Underground - autobiographical piece about Hawkwind's early days; John the Bog and Smiling Mike were friends of the band. The Iron Dream - book by Norman Spinrad, supposedly written by an Adolf Hitler from an alternate universe in which he emigrated to the USA and became a pulp writer. *PXR5* Jack of Shadows - book by Roger Zelazny; the eponymous character lives on a world half ruled my science, and half by magic. Robot - refers to Isaac Asimov's three laws of robotics High Rise - book by JG Ballard, depicting an urban dystopia. *25 Years On* Psi Power - refers to "Zener cards" used in attempts to measure telepathic phenomena; these cards are marked with symbols such as squares and triangles, which one subject will try and telepathically send to another. Free Fall - 32 feet per second squared is the rate of acceleration due to gravity. 25 Years - a "GCE" (General Certificate of Education) and a "City and Guilds" are both forms of academic qualification. Flying Doctor - Australia's Flying Doctor service provides emergency medical care in the remote outback; a Percival Proctor is a light aircraft; a coolibah tree is a native Australian tree; "khyber" (derived from rhyming slang: "Khyber Pass") is another word for "arse". *Levitation* World of Tiers - overall title of a series of six novels by Philip Jose Farmer. The eponymous world is one of several artificial "pocket universes", and happens to be shaped rather like a wedding cake. Nuclear Toy - Harrisburg (Pennsylvania, USA) and Windscale (now known as Sellafield, Cumbria, UK) are among nuclear installations where leaks of radioactive material have occurred. *Choose Your Masques* Fahrenheit 451 - title of book by Ray Bradbury, later filmed by Francois Truffaut. The plot concerns the destruction of all printed literature in a future totalitarian society; 451 degrees Fahrenheit is the temperature at which paper begins to burn. The song lyrics are based upon an existing poem by Calvert. *Church of Hawkwind* Some People Never Die - samples of news commentary from the killings of Lee Harvey Oswald and Senator Robert F. Kennedy. Phenomenon of Luminosity - sample of communication with John Glenn, commander of Friendship 7, one of the Mercury space missions. It is unknown what he saw - theories range from glowing fragments from the capsule's heat-shield, to some form of alien encounter. *Zones* Dangerous Vision - "Dangerous Visions", plural, is the title of a landmark anthology of "new wave" science fiction edited by Harlan Ellison. Utopia '84 - Watney's Red Barrel was a brand of beer, widely regarded with contempt. *Earth Ritual EP* Green Finned Demon - Captain Nemo is the submarine captain from Jules Verne's "20,000 Leagues under the Sea". *Do Not Panic* Stonehenge Decoded - title of book by Gerald S. Hawkins published in 1965 purporting to explain the arrangement of the stones at Stonehenge in astronomical terms. *Out and Intake* Ghost Dance - The Ghost Dance religion was a Native American movement in the last years of the nineteenth century. The Dance was supposed to raise the dead warrior spirits who would then go into the live warriors bodies and render them invincible to the weapons of the white man. The Battle at Wounded Knee was where the dance empowered Indians attacked as the first step to remove the blight from their land. *Xenon Codex* The War I Survived - "Slaughterhouse 5" is the title of a novel by Kurt Vonnegut, based on his experiences as a survivor of the Dresden fire-bombing in 1945. *Space Bandits* Black Elk Speaks - Black Elk, of the Oglala Sioux, was a survivor of the massacre at Wounded Knee. In the 1930's, anthropologist John G Neihardt interviewed Black Elk at length, and recorded his testimony in a book entitled, "Black Elk Speaks". The vocal track is a recording made by Neihardt. *Electric Tepee* Right to Decide: Jill Strobridge writes: Albert Dryden, idiosyncratic gentleman with an interest in ballistics (he was detained on firearm offences c.1957 and in the 1960s for trying to launch a homemade self-constructed rocket from his back garden) worked in the Consett steelmill which was shutdown in about 1989. With his redundancy money he bought a smallholding and started trying to get planning permission. I don't know what this involved, nor do I know the details of what happened while he was trying to do this but in the end he ended up building a shed (which was legit), a greenhouse (which I'm not sure about - there may have been another one too), and a bungalow which he built in a 20ft deep hollow that he dug out by himself. Again, I don't know details (the trial reports were in newspapers which were not available on the open shelves having already been archived) but he claimed that he was given a letter of permission and that one of the councillors had helped him to lay out foundations for one of the greenhouses. However the council clearly seems to have considered his bungalow illegal. It was however not until after he had completed it (at least the roof was complete) that they finally moved into demolish the building. The police apparently advised Harry Collinson to move in at night and take Dryden by surprise. However Collinson insisted that Dryden be told of the exact day and hour of the arrival of the bulldozers, apparently so that he could leave with dignity. This, unfortunately, turned out to be a serious error of honesty since Dryden, although surrounded by newspaper men, TV cameras, video recorders and journalists (or perhaps because of this, I'm not sure) met the councillor with a gun in hand and shot him several times at point blank range. The bungalow has now been demolished by Dryden's friends and relatives at his own request. *It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous* Title first appeared in the Hawkwind Log, with *In Search of Space*. *Alien 4* Title presumably refers to the "Alien" film trilogy. Alien (I Am) - includes sample from the *Star Trek: the Next Generation* episode entitled "The Mind's Eye". The voices heard are Lt.-Commander Data (Brent Spiner) and the USS Enterprise computer (Majel Barrett). The episode is the one in which Geordi is "remote-controlled" by Romulan agents. Kapal - text from Shakespeare's "Hamlet". *Text of Festival* Album title from Mick Farren's novel "The Texts of Festival". Dave Brock and the Agents of Chaos "Agent of Chaos" - 1967 novel by Norman Spinrad. ---------- Pheeew! Comments, additions, brickbats please! - Andy From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Mar 28 18:04:05 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:04:05 -0600 Subject: HW remasters (EMI) (fwd from Griffin) Message-ID: No improvement yet, guys... Damon ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:56:07 -0500 From: GrifMus at aol.com To: dcapehar at utdallas.edu Subject: Re: HW remasters (EMI) In a message dated 96-03-26 17:51:02 EST, you write: > >Is there any news on whether or not EMI will be greedy with the Hawkwind >remasters (darn import prices...)? That is, will Griffin be releasing >them here? If not, is there another U.S. label in on the bidding? I >*really* don't want to have to deal with import prices, but I've heard >they are a real improvement from the One Way issues. We're trying... -Griffin From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Mar 28 19:37:28 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:37:28 -0500 Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: <960328164905_500383629@emout05.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Mar 28, 96 04:49:07 pm Message-ID: Most of these interesting tidbits from Andrew deleted..... except.... > > *Space Bandits* > > Black Elk Speaks - Black Elk, of the Oglala Sioux, was a survivor of the > massacre at Wounded Knee. In the 1930's, anthropologist John G Neihardt > interviewed Black Elk at length, and recorded his testimony in a book > entitled, "Black Elk Speaks". The vocal track is a recording made by > Neihardt. You should mention that this first appeared in the Hawkwind Log from ISoS, in a slightly different form. That is where I discovered that 'Hetchetu Aloh' or whatever was not something I was *supposed* to understand as English. Lots of interesting things here, not all of which I knew. BTW, what has become of the Mountain Grill?? Anybody been there recently? When I was there in 1986, it was "George's Fish Bar"? I have the photo to prove it, now autographed by one Dave Brock. Just wondering...Keith H. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Mar 28 19:42:03 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:42:03 -0500 Subject: HW: Remasters and WOTEOT In-Reply-To: <1996Mar28.154508.1429.586220@smtpgate.lexis-nexis.com> from "Stier, Christopher" at Mar 28, 96 03:45:27 pm Message-ID: Chris sayz.... > Sorta off the topic but I was wondering if anyone know what the status of > Choose your Masques was as in is it ever going to be released on CD? When I talked with Robert Godwin last April in Ontario, he told me that it was still in the hands of a guy named Kingsley (first name?), who operates Rockfield Studios in Monmouth (now Gwent), Wales. Apparently, it was his idea to start his own label, and use this as one of the premiere releases, but Godwin had the impression that this guy was notorious for dragging his feet on things like this. So, it would appear that Griffin is at the mercy of forces beyond Godwin's control. Any more recent updates???? Keith H. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Mar 28 19:44:48 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:44:48 -0500 Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: <960328164905_500383629@emout05.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Mar 28, 96 04:49:07 pm Message-ID: > > *PXR5* > > Jack of Shadows - book by Roger Zelazny; the eponymous character lives on a > world half ruled my science, and half by magic. > Robot - refers to Isaac Asimov's three laws of robotics > High Rise - book by JG Ballard, depicting an urban dystopia. Oh, another thing.....if I remember correctly, PXR5 is some sort of motion picture film, isn't it?? I think I heard it here, so please reiterate. Keith H. From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Thu Mar 28 20:24:58 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:24:58 EST Subject: HW: PXR5 movie Message-ID: >> >> *PXR5* >> >> Jack of Shadows - book by Roger Zelazny; the eponymous character lives on a >> world half ruled my science, and half by magic. >> Robot - refers to Isaac Asimov's three laws of robotics >> High Rise - book by JG Ballard, depicting an urban dystopia. >Oh, another thing.....if I remember correctly, PXR5 is some sort of motion >picture film, isn't it?? I think I heard it here, so please reiterate. I think PXR5 was the title of a sci-fi movie that George Lucas made in film school. A lot stranger than his Star Wars movies, if I remember correctly. >Keith H. Brian From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Mar 28 21:17:48 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:17:48 -0500 Subject: HW: PXR5 movie In-Reply-To: <009A006D.191B5D20.84@bigvax.alfred.edu> from "BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN" at Mar 28, 96 08:24:58 pm Message-ID: > > >> > >> *PXR5* > >> > >> Jack of Shadows - book by Roger Zelazny; the eponymous character lives on a > >> world half ruled my science, and half by magic. > >> Robot - refers to Isaac Asimov's three laws of robotics > >> High Rise - book by JG Ballard, depicting an urban dystopia. > > >Oh, another thing.....if I remember correctly, PXR5 is some sort of motion > >picture film, isn't it?? I think I heard it here, so please reiterate. > > I think PXR5 was the title of a sci-fi movie that George Lucas made in > film school. A lot stranger than his Star Wars movies, if I remember > correctly. > > >Keith H. > > Brian > The title of the movie was THX, just like the new sound-enhancement system. Never saw it, so can't comment... ...back to the Windows 95 upgrade (on my _fourth_ set of diskettes! And people bitch about the quality of the s/w that _we_ release! At least it _loads_! grrrrrrr......) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From toad at ECI1.UCSB.EDU Thu Mar 28 21:18:50 1996 From: toad at ECI1.UCSB.EDU (Tom Marazita) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 18:18:50 PST Subject: HW: PXR5 movie In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:24:58 PST. <009A006D.191B5D20.84@bigvax.alfred.edu> Message-ID: > I think PXR5 was the title of a sci-fi movie that George Lucas made in > film school. A lot stranger than his Star Wars movies, if I > remember correctly. > Brian Is it possible you are confusing this with THX-1138, a movie George Lucas made during film school (and later re-made professionally). It is readily available on video, and often pops up on TV. It is much stranger than the Star Wars films, and IMHO is well worth watching. Personally I'm not a big Lucas fan, but THX-1138 is good sci-fi. Hawkwind *should* have a song about it since it contains all of the important elements: technology beyond peoples' control, dystopia, totalitarian government controlling human lives (through drugs, no less -- by law, all citizens must be sedated at all times), etc. It stars Robert Duvall and Donald Pleasance. Tom ========================================================================== Tom Marazita | Engineering Computing Infrastructure | CCSE -- 3112 Engineering 1 toad at ucsb.edu | University of California Tel: 805 893-3221 | Santa Barbara, CA 93106-5120 ========================================================================== From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Mar 28 21:31:10 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:31:10 -0500 Subject: HW: PXR5 movie In-Reply-To: <009A006D.191B5D20.84@bigvax.alfred.edu> from "BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN" at Mar 28, 96 08:24:58 pm Message-ID: > >Oh, another thing.....if I remember correctly, PXR5 is some sort of motion > >picture film, isn't it?? I think I heard it here, so please reiterate. > > I think PXR5 was the title of a sci-fi movie that George Lucas made in > film school. A lot stranger than his Star Wars movies, if I remember > correctly. > Brian No, that's not it. There was a film with an odd alpha-numeric title like that by Lucas, but PXR5 wasn't it....anyway, I didn't mean a movie -- I meant movie film....you know, the celluloid stuff they actually record the movie on.... Just clearing things up.... Keith H. From matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Mar 28 22:57:34 1996 From: matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Matt Curtis) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:57:34 +1000 Subject: HW: PXR5 movie Message-ID: On 28 Mar 96 at 20:24, BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN wrote: > I think PXR5 was the title of a sci-fi movie that George Lucas made in > film school. A lot stranger than his Star Wars movies, if I remember > correctly. nah that was THX1138. -matt -- matt at pcmicro.com.au, citizen #61385872341, session zombie (R) IMPENDING DOOM HAS ARRIVED page 1 of 1 pages From RobM376 at AOL.COM Thu Mar 28 23:22:22 1996 From: RobM376 at AOL.COM (Robert Miller) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 23:22:22 -0500 Subject: HW: PXR5 movie Message-ID: Roy Thinnes was in THX 1138 Correct?. From stayer at PI.NET Thu Mar 28 10:27:24 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 07:27:24 PST Subject: BRAIN: BRAIN SURGEONS GIG R Way? Message-ID: [ after several other messages on tBS gigs, I whine and whine ] >We will be in Northhampton, Mass April 19 or 20 for the Loud Festival, >sponsored by WBCN. I think we may be appearing on a panel or two on Friday >and playing on Saturday, but details are not yet confirmed. So watch this >space! Wouldn't Europe be interesting to play? Any sales figures known from Europe? Jerry From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Fri Mar 29 05:00:36 1996 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:00:36 +0000 Subject: BOC Message-ID: Where has all the BOC mail Gone? I I I ---- 0 ---- I - I -- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Mar 29 05:35:57 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:35:57 GMT Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:49:07 -0500 Message-ID: > *It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous* > > Title first appeared in the Hawkwind Log, with *In Search of Space*. I've seen this quote attributed to C.P.Snow, but I don't know the reference. Dave. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 29 06:48:37 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:48:37 GMT Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: Stephen Lindsey's message of Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:37:22 -0500 Message-ID: Stephen Lindsey writes: > Another one I haven't seen anyone mention is 'Fahrenheit 451', > > unfortunately I can't remember the details - its a book by ?? Ray Bradbury? > and also a film by ??? > Ya got me there. > > Cheers, > Steve L. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 29 06:54:01 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:54:01 GMT Subject: HW: PXR5 movie In-Reply-To: BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN's message of Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:24:58 EST Message-ID: BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN writes: > >> > >> *PXR5* > >> > >> Jack of Shadows - book by Roger Zelazny; the eponymous character lives on a > >> world half ruled my science, and half by magic. > >> Robot - refers to Isaac Asimov's three laws of robotics > >> High Rise - book by JG Ballard, depicting an urban dystopia. > > >Oh, another thing.....if I remember correctly, PXR5 is some sort of motion > >picture film, isn't it?? I think I heard it here, so please reiterate. > > I think PXR5 was the title of a sci-fi movie that George Lucas made in > film school. A lot stranger than his Star Wars movies, if I remember > correctly. Nah. That was THX115 > > >Keith H. > > Brian FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 29 06:56:26 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:56:26 GMT Subject: Hawkwind - everything you know is dangerous Message-ID: If we're gonna get a Komplete index, one of the astronomers is gonna have to check if the Spiral Galaxy number on Warrior equates to an actual galaxy. Do the Messier numbers go up that high? FoFP From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Fri Mar 29 07:12:26 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 07:12:26 EST Subject: HW SG 28948 Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 29/03/96 12.11 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Ah ha, I have some useful info at last :- Spiral Galaxy 28948 refers to Simon House's birthday. 28th Sep 1948. Subtle eh? Jes. From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Mar 29 07:17:35 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 07:17:35 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind - everything you know is dangerous Message-ID: > >If we're gonna get a Komplete index, one of the astronomers is gonna >have to check if the Spiral Galaxy number on Warrior equates to an >actual galaxy. Do the Messier numbers go up that high? > >FoFP > > If I am not mistaken, aren't the numbers Simon's birthday? Duane OBCT: Voivod - Nothingface ( killer cover of Astronomy Domine, but the rest is kind of tedious ) -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Mar 29 07:20:35 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 07:20:35 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind - everything you know is dangerous Message-ID: >If we're gonna get a Komplete index, one of the astronomers is gonna >have to check if the Spiral Galaxy number on Warrior equates to an >actual galaxy. Do the Messier numbers go up that high? Oh yeah - isn't 28/9/48 Simon House's birthday or something? I seem to recall? - Andy From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Mar 29 07:24:28 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 12:24:28 +0000 Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:48:37 GMT." <9603291148.ab10202@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: > Stephen Lindsey writes: > > > Another one I haven't seen anyone mention is 'Fahrenheit 451', > Ray Bradbury Yup. > > and also a film by ??? > > > Ya got me there. ! Francois Truffaut (directed). Nicolas Roeg (Cinematography - god help us) 1966. Main stars - Oskar Werner Montag Julie Christie Linda/Clarise Cyril Cusack The Captain Tim ObCD: Skinny Puppy - _Rabies_ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 29 08:01:02 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:01:02 +0000 Subject: BOC In-Reply-To: <199603291001.FAA19021@listserv.spc.edu> from "Imaginos" at Mar 29, 96 10:00:36 am Message-ID: > Where has all the BOC mail Gone? It was accidentally cursed by my wondering where all the Hawkwind mail had gone about a month ago ;) Actually I suspect it was done to death by the recent HW remasters. And now we return to to the continuing ebb and flow of boc-l ... Cheers, Carl From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Fri Mar 29 08:01:06 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:01:06 +0000 Subject: HW: everything there is to know (2) In-Reply-To: <199603291008.KAA17158@listserv.rl.ac.uk> Message-ID: Track: Fahrenheit 451 Album: Choose Your Masques Ref: Ray Bradbury - Fahrenheit 451 There was a film based on Ray Bradbury's sci-fi novel of the same name.. It describes a grim future where, with power being knowledge, all books are ordered to be burnt. The temperature referred to is the temperature at which paper ignites/combusts... sorry if the description is a bit vague but I havn't either read the book or seen the film.. anyone want to elucidate? Maxine The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day mxw at dmu.ac.uk Shall fold their tents like the Arabs UKMC#9 And as silently steal away. Honda CB250 RS - For sale H.W. Longfellow Honda VF400 http://severn.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw/Welcome.html From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 29 08:05:54 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:05:54 EST Subject: BOC Message-ID: > Received: from MAILQUEUE by HAWK (Mercury 1.11); Fri, 29 Mar 96 5:20:51 EDT > Where has all the BOC mail Gone? > I > I > I > ---- 0 ---- > I > - > I > -- Right! Or Surgeons, or any music except the odd bit of HW info. We should change the name of this list to OFF-L! Anyway, I got an interesting mailing from Surgeons' HQ yesterday, featuring a reprint of an interview with Deb and Al. Highly recommended. Al, BTW, did anyone tell you that your logo for Cellsum [Sell Some?] records is almost identical to one used by Polaroid on some of its computer products? "Protect yourself at all times" theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 29 08:15:02 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:15:02 -0500 Subject: BOC Message-ID: >Where has all the BOC mail Gone? Been pretty quiet, BOC-wise. Some of that is no doubt the lack of stuff from the band, but perhaps some of that is that everyone's finally gotten tired of rehashing a bunch of the same topics. Or, everyone is just so absorbed in the new version of the FAQ that they haven't had time to post. ;-) John From Niko.Makila at CSC.FI Fri Mar 29 08:19:11 1996 From: Niko.Makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 16:19:11 +0300 Subject: HW: Fahrenheit 451 Message-ID: Fahrenheit 451 was directed by the fine French director Francois Truffaut in 1966. Check out for full details. //niko From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 29 08:26:09 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:26:09 +0000 Subject: Space Rock on Boston radio In-Reply-To: <9603281431.AA25085@pharlap.ci.com> from "David B. Kuznick" at Mar 28, 96 09:31:45 am Message-ID: >> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:45:00 -0500 >> From: "Scott Heller (617) 724-7762" >> >> HW and space rock will be on the air on Wed April 3rd on 88.1 WMBR in >> Cambridge MA. I plan to play: Vagtazo Hallotekemek, Bevis Frond, HW, >> Arc Met, Ozrics, White Heaven, Sundial, Monster Magnet, Spacious Mind, >> Kingston Wall, Carl's band, and of course the BRAIN SURGEONS! If >> there is time I will squeeze in a few other bands. > > obLookingForMy10MinutesOfFameAnywayICanFindIt> Can I request Ossian's > Ride from "Carl's band"? :-) > > David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) Scott tells he he plans to play Ossian's Way and Last Battle (Grim Medieval Death). So you'll be there! My sister has sent a copy of the tape with her most recent up dates of additions to Scott and I haven't really got a good idea of what it will sound like, except probably pretty strange! Hey, Scott--can you clue in the Bruces (as much as that is possible) on your show? They'd probably dig a lot of it and Chris did record my material (albeit with a gun to his head ;) so he'd be into it. Hope you let Larry know, though I don't know if he can pickup WMBR wherever he is. Cheers, Carl From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Mar 29 08:28:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:28:00 EST Subject: HW: 451F Message-ID: Track: Fahrenheit 451 Album: Choose Your Masques Ref: Ray Bradbury - Fahrenheit 451 There was a film based on Ray Bradbury's sci-fi novel of the same name.. It describes a grim future where, with power being knowledge, all books are ordered to be burnt. The temperature referred to is the temperature at which paper ignites/combusts... sorry if the description is a bit vague but I havn't either read the book or seen the film.. anyone want to elucidate? Maxine ***************************** That is pretty much it. The other twist is that firemen start the book fires instead of putting them out. The book isn't that great, no aliens get killed. One fireman develops a conscience and tries to stop book burning. I read it a long time ago and have never been tempted to reread. Come to think of it, the song really captures the blandness of the novel. Now _Dangerous Visions_ is a whole different story. Harlan rules! Rudy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 29 08:41:03 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:41:03 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy interview on WWW Message-ID: Check out the interview with Lemmy: http://www.mucomo.com/mucomo/coffeebreak/motorhead1-coffeebreak.html Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 29 09:47:16 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:47:16 -0500 Subject: BRAIN, BOC: Watt single w/Dominance + Submission Message-ID: For those of you trying to find a copy of the Mike Watt CD single with Albert and Joe Bouchard guesting on a rendition of "Dominance and Submission", check out "Siren CD's" at the following URL: http://sirencd.com They are selling it for $9.99 -- and it's worth every penny! John From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Mar 29 09:51:10 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:51:10 -0500 Subject: Test -Apologies Message-ID: Having a series of outages here. Sorry for Test Martyn From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 29 09:50:49 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:50:49 EST Subject: FAQ access Message-ID: which site do I need to access to get to the BOC FAQ? thanks theo From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 29 11:21:26 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:21:26 -0500 Subject: BOC Message-ID: >Where has all the BOC mail Gone? long time mailing Where has all the BOC mail gone long time ago used by eric as firewood when will they ever burn when will they ever leaaaaaarrrghggh >snap!< *whew*. Sorry, don't know what came over me. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 29 11:21:23 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:21:23 -0500 Subject: HW: PXR5 movie Message-ID: > I think PXR5 was the title of a sci-fi movie that George Lucas made in >film school. A lot stranger than his Star Wars movies, if I remember >correctly. No, that was THX-1138. He later refilmed the same movie for commercial release, and is mainly useful as part of the trivia question 'what are the only three movies George Lucas ever directed?'. Also, the "THX" is part of the name of a sound system he later developed. The film is interesting, though interest erodes somewhat throughout. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 29 11:28:22 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:28:22 -0500 Subject: FAQ access Message-ID: >which site do I need to access to get to the BOC FAQ? The BOC-L archives - use anonymous ftp to ftp.spc.edu and go to the boc-l directory, or point your web browser at the following URL: ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l/boc_faq-2_1.txt John From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 29 11:28:56 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:28:56 -0500 Subject: HW SG 28948 Message-ID: >--- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 29/03/96 12.11 > -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET > > > Ah ha, > I have some useful info at last :- > > Spiral Galaxy 28948 refers to Simon House's birthday. > 28th Sep 1948. > Subtle eh? > Jes. Ah, and "Simon House" = " Spiral Realms...." +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 29 11:28:55 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:28:55 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind - everything you know is dangerous Message-ID: >If we're gonna get a Komplete index, one of the astronomers is gonna >have to check if the Spiral Galaxy number on Warrior equates to an >actual galaxy. Do the Messier numbers go up that high? no +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 29 11:49:25 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:49:25 -0500 Subject: BOC Message-ID: >>Where has all the BOC mail Gone? > >Been pretty quiet, BOC-wise. Some of that is no doubt the lack of stuff >from the band, but perhaps some of that is that everyone's finally gotten >tired of rehashing a bunch of the same topics. Or, everyone is just >so absorbed in the new version of the FAQ that they haven't had time to >post. ;-) Hey, thanks for the mention of the piece about the hugo awards. The guy who made the trophies (I sent him a copy of that page) mentioned that he appeared, about the same time, with one of the trophies, on the cover of "Locus", a major SF 'zine. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 29 13:09:40 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:09:40 GMT Subject: HW: everything including Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: Rob Stuckey's message of Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:49:05 GMT Message-ID: Rob Stuckey writes: > > =========================================================================== > > Entries something like: > > > > WORD/PHRASE : Right to Decide > > > > TRACK : Right to Decide > > ALBUM : it is the biz > > REFERENCE : A house, a council, a bulldozer and a shooting > > > > Errr....sorry to be picky, but RTD was on Electric Teepee wasn't it? > ummm -yes! I suddenly realised that I was having real problems matching tracks to albums and couldn't be bothered to check the Discog! Must be age 8-( re. Mountain Grill I think this is/was a clothes shop now - maybe even demolished. Leastways it is, as they say, "no more". How about we get a donation together for the re-building thereof? If they can do it with Shakespeare's theatre...... I wonder if the Lottery will help out 8-) yours if-ly jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 29 13:08:38 1996 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:08:38 GMT Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: <960328164905_500383629@emout05.mail.aol.com> (from Andy Gilham ) (at Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:49:07 -0500) Message-ID: Some thoughts I hope its not too long a post - great idea for a project. > > *Doremi Fasol Latido* The title is a play on the tonic solfa of course as in doh a dear etc > > *Hall of the Mountain Grill* Title I imagine also refers to Hall of the Mountain King which I only know as a piece of music by Grieg but I imagine is a Nordic legend > *Space Ritual* Orgone Accumulator THis is also the subject of the Kate Bush song Cloudbustin. If anyone is interested in Reich Id recommend Colin Wilsons biography although its a very long time since I read it. > > *Warrior on the Edge of Time* > > Assault and Battery - the lines "Lives of great men... sands of time" are > taken from a poem by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. If I understand my Oxford book of quotations properly a poem called Resignation > > *Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music* Title and style of the sleeve advert designs and I think a lot of the subject matter of the songs refers to the American science fiction magazines Astounding and Amazing (Im not sure these are the full titles) > > Reefer Madness - title taken from circa 1940's anti-marijuana propaganda film Louis Gasnier 1936 "One of the most absurdly earnest exercises in paranoia youll ever have the good fortune to see" - the Time Out Film Guide > > *Quark, Strangeness and Charm* > Spirit of the Age - as well as opening with some morse code also contains a radio call signal (the snatch of music at the beginning) I think it may be radio Albania but hopefully someone will know better than me. > Damnation Alley Dont you think the structure of naming American towns parodies the classic American road song like Route 66 or Promised Land. > Quark, Strangeness and Charm The six flavours of quark are Up, Down, Strange, Charm, Bottom and Top Each flavour comes in three colours Sorry if this is no longer correct its a very long time since I did my degree. > > *Choose Your Masques* > > Fahrenheit 451 - title of book by Ray Bradbury, later filmed by Francois > Truffaut. The plot concerns the destruction of all printed literature in a > future totalitarian society; 451 degrees Fahrenheit is the temperature at > which paper begins to burn. The song lyrics are based upon an existing poem > by Calvert. >>From his book Centigrade whatever it is which is the same thing. THe Outer LImits theme is on this LP somewhere isnt it (Void City?) > > > *Church of Hawkwind* Doesnt THe Church feature a sample of a muzzein (SP) calling people to prayer or am I imagining it ? The other things I have here are; Elements - namechecks the Electric COol Aid Acid Test a book by TOm Wolfe. Psychosonia : all the Tee aitch ee why stuff spells out "They are trying to rob us of our right to communicate". Now to stop my personal sleepless nights where does the sample "I have come but I do not choose now to do what I came to do " come from ? Thanks David From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 29 12:43:28 1996 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 17:43:28 GMT Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: <5099.9603291035@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> (from Dave Berry ) (at Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:35:57 GMT) Message-ID: > > *It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous* > > > > Title first appeared in the Hawkwind Log, with *In Search of Space*. > > I've seen this quote attributed to C.P.Snow, but I don't know the reference. > > Dave. > Off the top of my head the full quote is something like; "Every new technology all but destroys the society into which it is introduced it is the business of the future to be dangerous" I thought it was Alfred North Whitehead the mathematician but I will have to search. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 29 13:29:32 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:29:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Remasters and WOTEOT In-Reply-To: <224eac90.u7t157e.e1f0f-david@mastmoor.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <224eac90.u7t157e.e1f0f-david at mastmoor.demon.co.uk>, David Jones writes >I think that Thorn-EMI group own Virgin Records and that Virgin owned >Charisma (certainly on the evidence of some Gabriel and Genesis issues). >If anyone knows better I would be interested. I'll ask me pal at EMI when he gets back from NYC. >I am clinging to the hope that this means EMI will release another batch of >five to take us to the end of the Charisma releases. Doubt it, personally, but there *must* be a reason for NO WARRIOR. I think the lost masters story sounds more likely > >Maybe we should write to them and tell them how good these are and put the >idea into their heads. Anyone know an e-mail address ? That's a good idea. -- Jon Browne From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Mar 29 15:06:31 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 15:06:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree in Baltimore In-Reply-To: <960328164905_500383629@emout05.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Mar 28, 96 04:49:07 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks: I've just seen that Porcupine Tree will be coming to the US at least for a one-off gig at the 1996 Prog-scape in Baltimore, MD. It is on June 29-30 on the campus of Towson State University. Tix are $25 for one day, and $40 for the weekend...a total of 8 bands will be playing, and as it's scheduled to start at 1 pm each day, I then *assume* that each band will be performing their complete full-length set. Here is the lineup of bands..... Day I Day II Fourth Estate (USA) Boud Deun (USA) Iluvatar (USA) Braindance (USA) Miriodor (Canada) Roine Stolt (Sweden) Porcupine Tree (UK) Mystery Band? Apparently one slot is still open...I know at one point Pendragon was contacted (you know, the one on the "Warrior" mispressing)....but don't know if they're still in the running. Anybody know anything about these other bands?? I think I saw Braindance in NYC as an opener for Hawkwind at the Limelight. The name Iluvatar is familiar, but dunno anything about their music. I'm interested in going to at least the Saturday lineup - solely to see the performance by Porcupine Tree, as who knows if they will ever come this way again. BTW, is PT officially a *band* now, as opposed to Steve Wilson plus guests?? I suppose those seeing the Gong/Ozrics/PT show in London can tell us. Keith H. From RobM376 at AOL.COM Fri Mar 29 15:07:59 1996 From: RobM376 at AOL.COM (Robert Miller) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 15:07:59 -0500 Subject: HW: PXR5 movie Message-ID: Roy Thinnes had a role in THX-1138. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Mar 29 15:36:56 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 15:36:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree in Baltimore In-Reply-To: <199603292006.PAA03283@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at Mar 29, 96 03:06:31 pm Message-ID: > > Hi Folks: > > I've just seen that Porcupine Tree will be coming to the US at least for a > one-off gig at the 1996 Prog-scape in Baltimore, MD. CHOMP! > > I'm interested in going to at least the Saturday lineup - solely to see the > performance by Porcupine Tree, as who knows if they will ever come this way > again. BTW, is PT officially a *band* now, as opposed to Steve Wilson plus > guests?? I suppose those seeing the Gong/Ozrics/PT show in London can tell us. > > Keith H. > PT is now an "official" band, with Richard Barbeiri on synths & electronics (used to be in the band Japan), a bass player and drummer. At least this was the lineup for MOONLOOP/...SKY MOVES SIDEWAYS. Hey, want a HW to PT link? Guess who it is? -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Fri Mar 29 15:53:50 1996 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Brand) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 15:53:50 -0500 Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: <224fe820.u7t157e.91502-david@mastmoor.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: This is a question, not a real piece of data, but it may be something to include if it can be answered. Void City - What *is* the distorted voice in the background saying? "Void City, steel and glass" "Void City, here we are" "Void City, see you in Oz" "Void City, steal in class" ???????????? Brand ------------------------------- The Universe is a cellular automata system. visit The Courts of Chaos: | Its cell size is 10^33 cells per metre http://nickel.ucs.indiana.edu/ | Its frame rate is 10^43 FPS. ~khiller/home.html | And we're stuck inside it. -Jeff Lewis From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Mar 29 18:17:54 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:17:54 -0500 Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: In a message dated 29/03/96 18:53:43, you write: >Now to stop my personal sleepless nights where does the sample "I have come >but I do not choose now to do what I came to do " come from ? > What I've written for the file is: Dream Worker - "I am come" narration from JRR Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings", read by British character actor Ian Holm (possibly best known as the android in Ridley Scott's *Alien*). Otherwise: lots of cool stuff there, including some I should have picked up on but didn't! Especially the Outer Limits intro! Duly noted! - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Mar 29 18:18:03 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:18:03 -0500 Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: >Void City - What *is* the distorted voice in the background saying? I always thought it was "Void City, here we come". But what do I know, eh? - Andy From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Fri Mar 29 22:44:35 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:44:35 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: BRAIN SURGEONS GIGs etc. Message-ID: on March 29/96 Jerry asks: >Wouldn't Europe be interesting to play? Any sales figures known from >Europe? Truthfully we probably haven't sold more than * CDs outside of the US. We still don't have a foreign distribution deal. Major labels and even large indies have these kind of arrangements hooked up already but Ripe & Ready is a pretty small operation. We sold about * CDs to exporters - cash up front - of Eponymous and we're about to make the same kind of deal for Trepanation so it's still a small operation. As far as I know we haven't sold a single CD in Spain (Spanish lyrics notwithstanding). When we get some more exposure over there I'm sure we'll play there. On a more positive note, last Sunday the band set up our stuff in New York's City College recital hall and recorded the rest of the new album. We did nine tracks in 12 hours. We did one over from the last session and one song just for fun. That brings the total tracks for the new one up to 16. The final piece will probably be 13 or 14 songs and around an hour but we shall see what comes out best when we mix it. The tracks were once again recorded by the incomparable Paul Special and this time we had our choice of almost any piece of equipment, microphone etc. imaginable. The City College facility is really quite beautiful with a newly constructed amphitheater that holds about 120 people and is rather steep. All the walls are bird's eye maple with an art deco lighting scheme that utilizes faux-green-marble lights in the walls and gigantic umbrella style chandlers, plus the regular pars with colored gels that all theaters have. Sonically it was closest to the sound of studio A in the Record Plant (most of Spectres) but crisper. Upstairs in the control room they have a state of the art mixing desk with every effect and signal processing device known to man. We watched each other via closed circuit monitors. This was quite a step up from Pete's Garage! There was a very good feeling in the hall and I think it's tangible on the tapes. All the equipment worked flawlessly. We jammed for a couple hours at the start while Paul got the sounds up and by the time we got down to business we were all pretty loose. It's still a lot of fun for me because at every stage of this project we are very confident that this CD will sound the best of all the records. Once again we've tackled some old BOC tunes that were recorded but never released and I'm sure if they ever come out on some box set or something that tBS versions will compare favorably. I just thought I'd like to share some of my excitement with you. We still have to do all the vocals over because there was quite a bit of noise in the vocal booth due to the air conditioning ducts but vocals usually come out better when we do them in my studio anyway. I have a couple weeks off from my school job (Easter Vacation yea!) starting next week, so I'm planning on getting most of the overdubs done then. L8r, Al * a small amount - not really anybody's business From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Fri Mar 29 23:47:24 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:47:24 -0800 Subject: BRAIN: BRAIN SURGEONS GIGs etc. Message-ID: At 10:44 PM 3/29/96 -0500, you wrote: >on March 29/96 Jerry asks: > >>Wouldn't Europe be interesting to play? Any sales figures known from >>Europe? Speaking of playing away from home.. Any hope of a west coast tour any time in the future? If so, make sure to get a gig in San Diego! Though, I'd travel up to Smog Angeles to check you guys out. No luck on finding any BS music in the bigger stores here yet.. I'm going try the smaller non-chain places next.. Then I guess I'll have to mail order.. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Mar 30 02:20:11 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 08:20:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Database Message-ID: Hi there (Frank) I'd be very interested to get your datebase If you need some help with buiding up a new database please let me know. I'll of course help Maybe we can use large parts of the existing databases for the new one Bernhard From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Mar 30 04:50:17 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:50:17 -0500 Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: On 29-MAR-1996 14:16:37.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >af17124; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:39 +0000 (GMT) >Received: from mastmoor.demon.co.uk ([158.152.59.212]) >by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab25119; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:10 +0000 (GMT) >Received: by mastmoor.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0019m; Fri, >29 Mar 1996 18:08:38 +0000 (GMT) >Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:08:38 +0000 (GMT) >From: David Jones >Subject: Re: HW: everything there is to know >In-reply-to: <960328164905_500383629 at emout05.mail.aol.com> >(from Andy Gilham ) (at Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:49:07 >-0500) >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Message-id: <224fe820.u7t157e.91502-david at mastmoor.demon.co.uk> >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >Comments: RFC822 error: MESSAGE-ID field duplicated. Last >occurrence was retained. >Some thoughts I hope its not too long a post - great idea for a project. >> >> *Doremi Fasol Latido* >The title is a play on the tonic solfa of course as in doh a dear etc >> >> *Hall of the Mountain Grill* >Title I imagine also refers to Hall of the Mountain King which I only >know as a piece of music by Grieg but I imagine is a Nordic legend >> *Space Ritual* >Orgone Accumulator >THis is also the subject of the Kate Bush song Cloudbustin. >If anyone is interested in Reich Id recommend Colin Wilsons biography >although its a very long time since I read it. >> >> *Warrior on the Edge of Time* >> >> Assault and Battery - the lines "Lives of great men... sands of >time" are > taken from a poem by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. >If I understand my Oxford book of quotations properly a poem called >Resignation >> >> *Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music* >Title and style of the sleeve advert designs and I think a lot of the >subject matter of the songs refers to the American science fiction >magazines Astounding and Amazing (Im not sure these are the full titles) >> >> Reefer Madness - title taken from circa 1940's anti-marijuana >propaganda fi lm >Louis Gasnier 1936 "One of the most absurdly earnest exercises in >paranoia youll ever have the good fortune to see" - the Time Out Film >Guide >> >> *Quark, Strangeness and Charm* >> >Spirit of the Age - as well as opening with some morse code also >contains a radio call signal (the snatch of music at the beginning) I >think it may be radio Albania but hopefully someone will know better >than me. >> Damnation Alley >Dont you think the structure of naming American towns parodies the >classic American road song like Route 66 or Promised Land. >> Quark, Strangeness and Charm >The six flavours of quark are Up, Down, Strange, Charm, Bottom and Top >Each flavour comes in three colours >Sorry if this is no longer correct its a very long time since I did my >degree. >> >> *Choose Your Masques* >> >> Fahrenheit 451 - title of book by Ray Bradbury, later filmed by >Francois > Truffaut. The plot concerns the destruction of all printed >literature in a >> future totalitarian society; 451 degrees Fahrenheit is the >temperature at > which paper begins to burn. The song lyrics are >based upon an existing poe m >> by Calvert. >>From his book Centigrade whatever it is which is the same thing. >THe Outer LImits theme is on this LP somewhere isnt it (Void City?) >> >> >> *Church of Hawkwind* >Doesnt THe Church feature a sample of a muzzein (SP) calling people to >prayer or >am I imagining it ? >The other things I have here are; >Elements - namechecks the Electric COol Aid Acid Test a book by TOm >Wolfe. >Psychosonia : all the Tee aitch ee why stuff spells out "They are >trying to rob us of our right to communicate". >Now to stop my personal sleepless nights where does the sample "I have >come but I do not choose now to do what I came to do " come from ? >Thanks >David On Church, "The Fall Of Earth City" sure sounds like something from a book. Anyone know? The instrumental "Mists Of Meridin" - what is "Meridin"? The song sure conjures up some images, don't it? "Over The Top" - I know I'm missing something here - "Hey, Kitchener - don't you know that mustaches went out with the Beatles"? It's obvious that the song basically refers to war, but... "gimme white feather", etc, etc..., I don't know. To me, the song (song??) "The Church" seems like a culmination of past, present of future, all happening at once - sounds like an ancient indian shaman or something, that wailing voice (past), the crowd chanting "Hawkwinf" (present) and the spacey, high-tech keyboard (future). Chuck `[1;32;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Mar 30 04:51:09 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:51:09 -0500 Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: On 29-MAR-1996 18:34:35.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >>Void City - What *is* the distorted voice in the background saying? >I always thought it was "Void City, here we come". But what do I >know, eh? >- Andy What about "Life Form" -- what's the voice say at the end? Sonique, in his review of PXR5, thinks the voice says -- "LIFE FORM", but listening to it some more, I definitely disagree... Chuck `[1;34;43mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 30 05:06:45 1996 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:06:45 GMT Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: <224fe239.u7t157e.9e60d-david@mastmoor.demon.co.uk> (from David Jones ) (at Fri, 29 Mar 1996 17:43:28 GMT) Message-ID: I just listened to Spirit of the Age from QSC. I would say that the morse repeated through it is SOS dot dot dot dash dash dash dot dot dot Thanks for "I have come..." now all Ive got to do is reread TLOTR to find its context ! David From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 30 04:50:16 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:50:16 +0000 Subject: HW: everything there is to know (2) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Maxine Wesley writes >Track: Fahrenheit 451 >Album: Choose Your Masques >Ref: Ray Bradbury - Fahrenheit 451 > >There was a film based on Ray Bradbury's sci-fi novel of the same name.. >It describes a grim future where, with power being knowledge, all books >are ordered to be burnt. The temperature referred to is the temperature at >which paper ignites/combusts... sorry if the description is a bit vague >but I havn't either read the book or seen the film.. anyone want to >elucidate? > > >Maxine That's a fair description. The protagonist is a Fireman i.e. he sets fire to things. He realises this is wrong and eventually makes his way to a community where people each choose a book to memorise and "become". The Lord Of The Rings bloke was quite funny, if I remember. -- Jon Browne From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Mar 30 09:00:25 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 01:00:25 +1100 Subject: HW: Films Message-ID: Gidday All, With all the recent discussions relating to links between HW and books, etc., I just have to step back to Stage I Kollector for a while and ask: What does "(from the film)" refer to on Lev's "The 5th Second of Forever" ? Paul/Soniqu=E9 -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From torgo at NORWICH.NET Sat Mar 30 08:59:27 1996 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Robert Sedler) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 08:59:27 -0500 Subject: BOC: I'm back and they're not Message-ID: I'm baaaack............ I was away for a while and let my guard down and then came back to the BOC-L only to find: >Where has all the BOC mail Gone? Whooaa! Understatement of the year award there!! I mean, in the last year the flow of topics was swung heavily back and forth between all BOC and all Hawkwind, but this is really something. Hopefully things can swing back the other way again real soon. Someone mentioned getting a mailer from the Surgeons. I myself got the same one. Now, most of these shows I get flyers for are in New York city, and I'm just a snowbound local who lives Upstate, so the chances of me actually getting to one of these gigs is very slim. Yet the surgeons keep sending them and that's cool, because with the warmer weather coming, who knows right? So my point is (yes I have one), why don't the BOC boys do something similar? You trying to tell me they can't afford to slap a 32 cent'er on a stack of printouts to let people know about where they are gonna be? It stinks when you find out BOC has played 2 hours away from you AFTER the gig is over! As much as I love BOC's music, it seems to me that they just don't care about the fans the way tBS do. Well, maybe that will start some BOC talk, maybe not. If things are this quiet in a few weeks, maybe I'll dust off the poll again, or slap together an even more sorry excuse for one....... :^) Torgo has left the building...... torgo at norwich.net From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Mar 30 09:50:42 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 01:50:42 +1100 Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: On 30 Mar 96 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote about Re: HW: everything there is to know: > "Over The Top" - I know I'm missing something here - "Hey, Kitchener - don't > you know that mustaches went out with the Beatles"? It's obvious that the > song basically refers to war, but... "gimme white feather", etc, etc..., I > don't know. I think you'll find it's "Gimme white powder" .... -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Mar 30 09:52:52 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 01:52:52 +1100 Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: On 30 Mar 96 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote about Re: HW: everything there is to know: > What about "Life Form" -- what's the voice say at the end? Sonique, in h= is > review of PXR5, thinks the voice says -- "LIFE FORM", but listening to i= t > some more, I definitely disagree... I actually think it says "Rice power" ... but that's just too weird ;^) Paul/Soniqu=E9 -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Sat Mar 30 12:30:00 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:30:00 EST Subject: HW: Remasters. Message-ID: Greetings! I'm listening to the new CD's all the time and I just love them, more of this please EMI! Anyone in the UK who knows what the media (press, Radio etc) is saying about the re-releases and how much are they selling? Cheers Henrik in winterland From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 30 13:07:12 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:07:12 +0000 Subject: HW: Remasters. In-Reply-To: <960330172959_100522.44_JHB112-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Henrik Hallgren" at Mar 30, 96 12:30:00 pm Message-ID: > I'm listening to the new CD's all the time and I just love them, more of this > please EMI! > Anyone in the UK who knows what the media (press, Radio etc) is saying about the > re-releases and how much are they selling? Less than they would be if they weren't priced so outrageously high! If they were as cheap as the Castle remasters I'd have them all by now ... Cheers, Carl From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 30 13:07:21 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:07:21 +0000 Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: <224fe820.u7t157e.91502-david@mastmoor.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <224fe820.u7t157e.91502-david at mastmoor.demon.co.uk>, David Jones writes >Now to stop my personal sleepless nights where does the sample "I have come >but I do not choose now to do what I came to do " come from ? Ian Holm as Frodo Baggins in the BBC adaption of J.R.R. Tolkien's Lord Of The Rings. He's at the Cracks Of Doom in the volcano, Mount Doom, charged to hurl in the ring to destroy it. He changes his mind.... -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 30 13:01:39 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:01:39 +0000 Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: <224fe239.u7t157e.9e60d-david@mastmoor.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <224fe239.u7t157e.9e60d-david at mastmoor.demon.co.uk>, David Jones writes >"Every new technology all but destroys the society into which it is >introduced it is the business of the future to be dangerous" > >I thought it was Alfred North Whitehead the mathematician but I will have >to search. Please do. THAT'S my new sig. file! :-> -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 30 13:10:17 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:10:17 +0000 Subject: BOC or HW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Carl E. Anderson" writes > Actually I suspect it was done to death by the recent HW remasters. > > And now we return to to the continuing ebb and flow of boc-l ... > >Cheers, >Carl Oddly enough, I was surprised at how little discussion of Remasters Of The Universe there has been. I guess as they've only been out a week we havn't fully digested them. What about Brainstorm on SRA, eh? FAAAAANTASTICC! (I can't believe I said this wouldn't be the first track to play a new listener a few weeks ago. D'oh!) -- Jon Browne From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sat Mar 30 13:49:42 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:49:42 GMT Subject: HW: Remasters. In-Reply-To: Henrik Hallgren's message of Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:30:00 EST Message-ID: > Anyone in the UK who knows what the media (press, Radio etc) is saying about > the re-releases Almost certainly nothing at all. Perhaps a snide remark or two. Dave. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sat Mar 30 13:51:36 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:51:36 GMT Subject: HW: Remasters. In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:07:12 +0000 Message-ID: > Less than they would be if they weren't priced so outrageously high! They are normal price for a CD. I can't imagine any CD packaged this well selling at mid-price. Dave. From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Mar 30 16:31:54 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:31:54 -0800 Subject: HW: Remasters. Message-ID: ! >> Anyone in the UK who knows what the media (press, Radio etc) is saying about the >> re-releases and how much are they selling? > > Less than they would be if they weren't priced so outrageously high! Guess I wasn't paying attention...What are they going for in USD? At present I could stock them, but they'd have to retail around $25 per... Wylie Bananamoon From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Mar 30 23:28:53 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:28:53 -0500 Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: On 30-MAR-1996 10:03:56.2 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >On 30 Mar 96 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote about Re: HW: everything >there is to know: >> "Over The Top" - I know I'm missing something here - "Hey, Kitchener >- don' t >> you know that mustaches went out with the Beatles"? It's obvious >that the > song basically refers to war, but... "gimme white feather", >etc, etc..., I > don't know. >I think you'll find it's "Gimme white powder" .... White powder? "Strung on barbed wire", Paul?? Never, never... :) Chuck `[1;30;41mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Mar 31 04:27:40 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 11:27:40 +0200 Subject: HW: EJECTION from the DoReMi remast. Message-ID: Hi folks It is not true that the EJECTION version from the new DoReMi CD is unreleased. You can find exactely this version on the Captain Lockhead EJECTION single It seems that only CYMBALINE is the only unreleased track Bernhard From stayer at PI.NET Sat Mar 30 17:19:49 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:19:49 PST Subject: BOC: bad masters Message-ID: >Where has all the BOC mail Gone? Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Let's get some mail threads started here. I haven't read anything about it in the FAQ (the version I've got, not the newest), so it might be new here. A friend of mine bought the CD of ST, and saw two versions; one with 'BOC' in red, the other in green. And now somewhere during (not sure) Cagey Cretins something went wrong with the tapes. Known problem here? Same thing happened with CC, during (not sure again) Burnin' For You. He had to buy a CD single for a correct version. Now I've heard CC has been re-issued by a different label in Europe. Does anyone if that one contains the correct recording? Jerry From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 31 07:26:05 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 13:26:05 +0100 Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: <01I2YU9U3OEQ95S73K@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Mar 30, 96 11:28:53 pm Message-ID: > >> "Over The Top" - I know I'm missing something here - "Hey, Kitchener > >- don' t > >> you know that mustaches went out with the Beatles"? It's obvious > >that the > song basically refers to war, but... "gimme white feather", > >etc, etc..., I > don't know. > >I think you'll find it's "Gimme white powder" .... > > White powder? "Strung on barbed wire", Paul?? Never, never... :) No, it's _definately_ "white feather". During WWI in Britain, young ladies in Blighty used to give white feathers to young men seen not in uniform. The idea was to indicate that they were 'chicken' and would have to join up if they were to impress the ladies. Calvert's "give me white feather" line is intended to portray the thoughts of a soldier who would far rather be branded a coward than go back "over the top". Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 31 08:32:45 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 14:32:45 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: BRAIN SURGEONS GIGs etc. In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Mar 29, 96 10:44:35 pm Message-ID: > Truthfully we probably haven't sold more than * CDs outside of the US. We > still don't have a foreign distribution deal. And all my efforts to turn up any good UK/European distributors have met with _zero_ success (though I have gotten lots of interested queries from others looking for the same thing!). :( Good to hear the new album is going well!! :) Cheers, Carl From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sun Mar 31 10:19:05 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 17:19:05 +0200 Subject: BOC: bad masters Message-ID: >>Where has all the BOC mail Gone? > >Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Let's get some mail threads started >here. > >I haven't read anything about it in the FAQ (the version I've got, not the >newest), so it might be new here. A friend of mine bought the CD of ST, >and saw two versions; one with 'BOC' in red, the other in green. And now >somewhere during (not sure) Cagey Cretins something went wrong with the >tapes. Known problem here? During the solo the music kind of wows, but I always thought I=B4ve got a= bad copy -maybe it isn=B4t so after all... > >Same thing happened with CC, during (not sure again) Burnin' For You. He >had to buy a CD single for a correct version. Now I've heard CC has been >re-issued by a different label in Europe. Does anyone if that one contains >the correct recording? I=B4ll try to check this out and then I=B4ll tell you. -Daniel Wikdahl Sweden =20 =20 "Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a 392 36 KALMAR 0480-245 11 From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Mar 31 10:50:42 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 10:50:42 -0500 Subject: HW: PXR5 movie Message-ID: In a message dated 96-03-28 20:32:39 EST, you write: >>> Jack of Shadows - book by Roger Zelazny; the eponymous character lives on >a >>> world half ruled my science, and half by magic. i recall that this world was a stationary planet in which one side was in perpetual darkness,and one was in constant sunlight.shadowjack was a hybrid of the two races that lived there,thus having powers and abilities beyond those possessed by either. another zelazny inspired tune is lord of light,and this one is really strange. i just read that roger zelazny passed away last year. rj From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sun Mar 31 12:03:28 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 12:03:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Assembled trivia Message-ID: I'm going on holiday tomorrow, to get a serious sun-tan and probably some tropical diseases, so before I go I'll leave you all with the latest version of Hawkwind trivia. Oh yeah - maybe someone who's into Elric can fill in the "?"s in the Black Sword section. Enjoy! - Andy --------- *Hawkwind* Mirror of Illusion - "perception's doors" references Aldous Huxley's *The Doors of Perception* [1954]. *In Search of Space* The Hawkwind Log (enclosed booklet) contains the text of several familiar Hawkwind songs and poems (though not always in the precise same form): Ten Seconds of Forever, Black Elk Speaks, The Awakening, the first part of Spirit of the Age. *Doremi Fasol Latido* Title is of course the tonic scale ("Doh, a deer..."). Lord of Light - title of book by Roger Zelazny, in which the rulers of a colony planet use technological means to assume the aspects of the Hindu pantheon. Urban Guerrilla - reference to the Beatles' "Why don't we do it in the road". "Two-tone panther" is a pun on the Black Panthers, the White Panthers, and other pressure groups. *Space Ritual* The Black Corridor - the text of the song is in fact the opening passage of Moorcock's novel of the same title (which was actually co-written with his then wife, Hilary Bailey). Orgone Accumulator - refers to the scientific theories of Dr Wilhelm Reich. In his theory, "orgone" was a vital force, permeating the universe, which could be collected in "orgone boxes", and used to cure certain diseases. This theory failed to gain widespread acceptance. Ten Seconds of Forever - "the vermilion deserts of Mars, the jewelled forests of Venus" are popular views of those planets in pulp science fiction until the 1970's. *Hall of the Mountain Grill* The Mountain Grill was an inexpensive restaurant in Notting Hill, London, frequented by members of Hawkwind around this time. Popular dishes included beans on toast (as in "The legend of Beenzon Toste"). It became a fish shop, and was last known to be a clothes shop. The title is also a parody of Greig's "The Hall of the Mountain King". *Warrior on the Edge of Time* Assault and Battery - the lines "Lives of great men... sands of time" are taken from "Resignation", a poem by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. Opa-Loka - Opa-Locka (with a "c") is the name of a town in Florida, USA. Spiral Galaxy 28948 - 28/9/48, i.e., 28th September 1948, is Simon House's date of birth. Kings of Speed - Mister (Jerry) C(ornelius), Frank (Cornelius) and (Bishop) Beasley are all characters from several of Michael Moorcock's novels Motorhead - "Motorhead" is a slang term for a user of amphetamines. *Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music* The title and cover art are a tribute to the popular and influential science-fiction pulp magazines, *Astounding Science Fiction* and *Amazing Stories*; the style used for the word "Astounding" is an exact copy of that from ASF's earliest issues, when it was known as "Astounding Stories of Super-Science". This theme was continued, on the original LP release, by decorating the inner sleeve with small ads typical of the pulps - some were modified to provide the credits for band members (e.g. "Paul Rudolph Manly Strap-On"). Reefer Madness - title taken from 1936 anti-marijuana propaganda film, directed by Louis Gasnier ."One of the most absurdly earnest exercises in paranoia you'll ever have the good fortune to see," says the Time Out Film Guide. Steppenwolf - book by Hermann Hesse. The German "Ich weiss nicht, was ich sagen soll" translates as "I do not know what I should say". *Quark, Strangeness and Charm* Cover art depicts the interior of Battersea Power Station, London (the four-chimneyed building on the cover of Pink Floyd's *Animals*). Spirit of the Age - contains Morse code "SOS" signal. In some live versions (though not the album version), Calvert sings the word "Zeitgeist" - this is simply a German translation of "spirit of the age". Damnation Alley - book by Roger Zelazny; in a post-apocalyptic future, biker Hell Tanner is recruited to transport a serum across the wasteland of North America. Unsatisfactorily filmed starring George Peppard. "Dr Strangelove, or how we learned to stop worrying and love the bomb" is the title of a film by Stanley Kubrick, in which the eponymous Doctor is a mad scientific advisor to the President, and appears to relish the prospect of nuclear war. The structure of the song, with the place names, can be seen as a parody of the classic American "road" song. Quark, Strangeness and Charm - in fact, Einstein was married, and had several children including at least one outside his marriage; and Copernicus made his discoveries before the invention of the telescope. A "quark" is a fundamental subatomic particle (currently seen as any of six types: bottom, top, up, down, charmed and strange); so "strangeness" and "charm" are among the possible properties of a quark. Hassan I Sahba - leader of mediaeval Moslem sect known as the Hashishim, or "assassins", who used hashish to induce an ecstatic state; Black September was the name of a Palestinian terrorist organisation notorious for the massacre of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympic games; a "petrodollar" is a term for hard currency earned by oil producing countries. Days of the Underground - autobiographical piece about Hawkwind's early days; Jeff, John the Bog and Smiling Mike were friends of the band. The Iron Dream - book by Norman Spinrad, supposedly written by an Adolf Hitler from an alternate universe in which he emigrated to the USA and became a pulp writer. *PXR5* Jack of Shadows - book by Roger Zelazny; the eponymous character lives on a world half ruled my science, and in perpetual daylight, and half by magic, in perpetual night. Jack shared a heritage from both worlds, hence he lived in the shadows. An "umbra" is a shadow. Uncle Sam's on Mars - contains samples of the Apollo 11 launch and President Nixon's "interplanetary" phone call to Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin during the first Moon landing. Also samples of the Eagle/NASA radio exchange during touchdown. Robot - refers to writer Isaac Asimov's three laws of robotics. These laws (devised in discussions with his editor, John W. Campbell Jr) codified a system of ethics with which the robots in Asimov's fiction were hardwired. They are: (1) a robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm; (2) a robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law; (3) a robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law. High Rise - book by JG Ballard (actually spelt "High-Rise", with a hyphen), depicting an urban dystopia. *25 Years On* Psi Power - refers to "Zener cards" used in attempts to measure telepathic phenomena; these cards are marked with symbols such as squares and triangles, which one subject will try and telepathically send to another. Free Fall - 32 feet per second squared is the rate of acceleration due to gravity. 25 Years - a "GCE" (General Certificate of Education) and a "City and Guilds" are both forms of academic qualification. Flying Doctor - Australia's Flying Doctor service provides emergency medical care in the remote outback; a Percival Proctor is a light aircraft; a coolibah tree is a native Australian tree; "khyber" (derived from rhyming slang: "Khyber Pass") is another word for "arse". *Levitation* World of Tiers - overall title of a series of six novels by Philip Jose Farmer. The eponymous world is one of several artificial "pocket universes", and happens to be shaped rather like a wedding cake. Nuclear Toy - Harrisburg (Pennsylvania, USA) and Windscale (now known as Sellafield, Cumbria, UK) are among nuclear installations where leaks of radioactive material have occurred. *Sonic Attack* Living on a Knife Edge - an "incubus" is a devil supposed to assume a male body and have sexual intercourse with women in their sleep, but can mean a nightmare, or any oppressive person, thing or influence. *Choose Your Masques* Choose your Masks and Arrival in Utopia- credited to Linda Steele, Moorcock's wife, presumably for legal reasons; actually written by Moorcock. Dream Worker - "I am come" narration from a BBC Radio production of JRR Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings", read by British character actor Ian Holm (possibly best known as the android in Ridley Scott's *Alien*). The line is spoken by Frodo Baggins at the Crack of Doom, where he has gone in order to destroy the One Ring, when he changes his mind... Void City- the intro is the opening narration to the TV science fiction series, *The Outer Limits* (the original version, not the '90s revival, which is slightly different). Fahrenheit 451 - title of book by Ray Bradbury, later filmed by Francois Truffaut. The plot concerns the destruction of all printed literature in a future totalitarian society; 451 degrees Fahrenheit is the temperature at which paper begins to burn. The song lyrics are based upon an existing poem by Calvert. *Church of Hawkwind* Some People Never Die - samples of news commentary from the killings of Lee Harvey Oswald and Senator Robert F. Kennedy. Phenomenon of Luminosity - sample of communication with John Glenn, commander of Friendship 7, one of the Mercury space missions. It is unknown what he saw - theories range from glowing fragments from the capsule's heat-shield, to some form of alien encounter. Light Specific Data - initials form "LSD". *Zones* Dangerous Vision - "Dangerous Visions", plural, is the title of a landmark anthology of "new wave" science fiction edited by Harlan Ellison. Utopia '84 - Watney's Red Barrel was a brand of beer, widely regarded with contempt. *Earth Ritual EP* Green Finned Demon - Captain Nemo is the submarine captain from Jules Verne's "20,000 Leagues under the Sea". *Do Not Panic* Stonehenge Decoded - title of book by Gerald S. Hawkins published in 1965 purporting to explain the arrangement of the stones at Stonehenge in astronomical terms. *Black Sword*/*Live Chronicles* Concept albums based on Michael Moorcock's "Elric of Melnibone", who is featured in several of his novels. The narration is not entirely coherent: some of the songs refer to specific incidents in the books, others are existing Hawkwind numbers used at (more or less) appropriate points. The Chronicle of the Black Sword - lists the titles of several of the Elric books - The Weird of the White Wolf, The Bane of the Black Sword, The Sailor on the Seas of Fate, and Stormbringer. Song of the Swords Dragons and Fables Narration The Sea King - episode in *Elric of Melnibone* Dead God's Homecoming Angels of Death Shade Gate - episode in *?* Rocky Paths Narration (Elric The Enchanter Part One) The Pulsing Cavern - episode in *?*, where Elric takes possession of the sword Stormbringer. Master of the Universe Dragon Song Dreaming City - title of the first Elric story published (though not the first in internal chronology). Elric leads the destruction of Imrryr, capital of Melnibone, his home. Choose Your Masques Fight Sequence Assault and Battery Sleep of a Thousand Tears - Moorcock lyric originally written for Blue Oyster Cult, but not used by them due to a dispute. Has some similarities with Moorcock's "Erekose" stories; Erekose is an alternate aspect of Elric, the Eternal Champion. Zarozinia - epiosde in *? Lords of Chaos (The Demise) The Dark Lords Wizards of Pan Tang Moonglum (Friend Without A Cause) - Moonglum is the friend and companion of Elric; the song refers to an episode in *?* Elric The Enchanter (Part Two) Needle Gun - actually refers to Jerry Cornelius, an alternate, roughly contemporary version of Elric. *The Final Programme*, the first Cornelius story, is a re-writing of *The Dreaming City* in modern dress, in which Jerry's needle gun fills a similar role to Elric's sword Stormbringer. Conjuration of Magnu Magnu Dust of Time The Final Fight Horn of Fate (Destiny) - conclusion of *Stormbringer*, in which Elric blows the Horn of Fate and brings the Universe to an end. *Out and Intake* Flight to Maputo - Maputo is the capital of Mozambique, in south-eastern Africa. Confrontation - refers to clashes between the police and the Convoy, a travellers' organisation. Ghost Dance - The Ghost Dance religion was a Native American movement in the last years of the nineteenth century. The Dance was supposed to raise the dead warrior spirits who would then go into the live warriors bodies and render them invincible to the weapons of the white man. The Battle at Wounded Knee was where the dance empowered Indians attacked as the first step to remove the blight from their land. *Xenon Codex* The War I Survived - "Slaughterhouse 5" is the title of a novel by Kurt Vonnegut, inspired by his experiences as a survivor of the Dresden fire-bombing in 1945. *Space Bandits* Black Elk Speaks - Black Elk, of the Oglala Sioux, was a survivor of the massacre at Wounded Knee. In the 1930's, anthropologist John G Neihardt interviewed Black Elk at length, and recorded his testimony in a book entitled, "Black Elk Speaks". The vocal track is a recording made by Neihardt. This text was also excerpted in the Hawkwind Log. *Palace Springs* Back in the Box - "stamp" is a familiar British expression, referring to national insurance contributions, formerly recorded by sticking a stamp on to an official card. *Electric Tepee* Right to Decide: based on incident in UK where angry householder shot a Council Planning Officer and a Policeman in front of TV cameras. *It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous* Title first appeared in the sleeve notes to *Space Ritual*. Believed to be a quotation from CP Snow. Or maybe: "Every new technology all but destroys the society into which it is introduced - it is the business of the future to be dangerous" - David Jones says: "I thought it was Alfred North Whitehead, the mathematician, but I will have to search." Tibet is Not China - protests the repressive occupation of Tibet by the People's Republic of China. *The Business Trip* Altair - a bright star in the constellation of Aquila, the Eagle. *White Zone* White Zone - sample is an announcement to be heard at airports in the USA. *Alien 4* Title is presumably intended as a sequel to the "Alien" film trilogy; whereas some of the lyrics allude to the popular theme of alien abduction, and the cover art suggests a benign alien presence. Some of the interior art is from circa-1930's science-fiction pulps, although the picture of the man finding a way through the celestial dome is a much earlier woodcut. Alien (I Am) - includes sample from the *Star Trek: the Next Generation*, episode entitled "The Mind's Eye". The voices heard are Lt.-Commander Data (Brent Spiner) and the USS Enterprise computer (Majel Barrett). The episode is the one in which Geordi is "remote-controlled" by Romulan agents. Vega - a bright star in the constellation of Lyra, the Lyre. Kapal - text from Shakespeare's "Hamlet". *Text of Festival* Album title from Mick Farren's novel "The Texts of Festival". Dave Brock and the Agents of Chaos "Agent of Chaos" - 1967 novel by Norman Spinrad. *Sonic Assassins* Over the Top - General Lord Kitchener was a British Army commander in the First World War; his image is familiar from recruitment posters, with the slogan "your country needs you". A "white feather" is traditionally a sign of cowardice; young ladies used to give white feathers to young men seen not in uniform. The idea was to indicate that they were 'chicken' and would have to join up if they were to impress the ladies. Calvert's "give me white feather" line is intended to portray the thoughts of a soldier who would far rather be branded a coward than go back "over the top". *Other and non-album* Ode to a Time Flower - based on an SF short story (need author and title) Ode to a Crystal Set - Colonel Dan Dare, "pilot of the future," was a very popular comic book character in the 1950's and 1960's, but is now generally regarded as representing an old-fashioned view of an ideal future; sporadic and continuing attempts to revive and update the character have proven largely unsuccessful. A "superheterodyne" is an old-fashioned type of radio receiver. The Island - title from Aldous Huxley's novel of the same name? Elements - name-checks *The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test*, a book by Tom Wolfe. Compiled by Andy Gilham Acknowledgements: Carl Anderson Chris Bates Dave Berry Jeremy Dacombe Mike Holmes Ron Jennings David Jones Robert Rudich Jill Strobridge From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Sun Mar 31 12:35:42 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 12:35:42 -0500 Subject: BOC: bad masters Message-ID: HI, I have the green covered version of ST on CD and the solo definately has a "slur" in it in Cagey Cretins. I always thought it was a CD problem too. Bummed me out 'cause it was one of the two CD's I bought when I first got a CD player. Rich From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Mar 31 12:47:07 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:47:07 +0200 Subject: HW: TP venues (update) Message-ID: Hi folks Here they are. Some of the venues from the TP boot. More later - Brainstorm: Detroit 18.05.1991 - Paranoia: ??? - Down Through The Night: USA 1989 - You Shouldn't Do That: Boulder 23.04.1995 - Urban Guerilla: Boulder 23.04.1995 -Only Dreamning Cologne 13.11.1994 - Born To Go Spring 1984 - 10 Sec. Of Foreever Spring 1984 - 7 By 7 Brighton 24.04.1992 - Time We Left Brighton 24.04.1992 - Master Of The Universe USA 1991 - Be Yourself Glasgow 11.12.1992 (?) - Sonic Attac London 22.04.1988 - Silver Machine Bradford 13.10.1981 - Welcome Absolute no idea Bernhard From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sun Mar 31 14:34:27 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 21:34:27 +0200 Subject: BOC: bad masters Message-ID: >HI, > >I have the green covered version of ST on CD and the solo definately >has a "slur" in it in Cagey Cretins. I always thought it was a CD >problem too. Bummed me out 'cause it was one of the two >CD's I bought when I first got a CD player. > >Rich > ...but I=B4ve got the red version. But what can you expect when it=B4s a cheap "Nice Price" CD. "Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a 392 36 KALMAR 0480-245 11