From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Jun 1 00:05:25 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 21:05:25 -0700 Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary Message-ID: Today the world lost a great visionary, a mind that grasped realities which most of us cannot imagine, let alone experience. May he relish the ultimate trip. This day I mourn. Wylie From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Jun 1 01:07:32 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 01:07:32 -0400 Subject: Finding Goldmine Message-ID: To those looking for Goldmine on the newsstands, good luck. You may have to write to the mag for copies. This from the editor: "The issue got a great response and seems to be sold out just about everywhere." From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sat Jun 1 02:46:26 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 01:46:26 -0500 Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary In-Reply-To: <199606010405.VAA29903@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 May 1996, William Stone wrote: > Today the world lost a great visionary, a mind that grasped realities > which most of us cannot imagine, let alone experience. May he relish > the ultimate trip. This day I mourn. The funny thing about this is that last night (Thursday) I saw the Moody Blues - and yes, they played "Legend of a Mind". It's not much of a big surprise; they almost always play it. Damon Capehart | "Timothy Leary's dead; no, no no no, he's aka Le Monsieur | outside, looking in." - John Lodge of the Moody dcapehar at utdallas.edu | Blues, "Legend of a Mind" From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sat Jun 1 02:54:45 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 01:54:45 -0500 Subject: OFF/ex-HW: Adrian Shaw's 'Tea' review In-Reply-To: <199605311518.BAA16778@uluru.ozonline.com.au> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Jun 1996, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?= wrote: > "Heart of Stone" picks up the pace with heavily distorted bass and > synth opening. The lyricals are sung this time, but there is a fine > line between spoken word and singing which Ade only just crosses. His > singing style somehow reminds of John Cooper Clarke! You mean it reminds you of Robert Calvert? Oh, sorry... Calvert was clearly on the 'spoken word' end of the scale. :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From stayer at PI.NET Sat Jun 1 04:24:01 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 01:24:01 PDT Subject: BOC: BOCbase? Message-ID: Chris wrote: >I was wondering if on the web somewhere is sort of a BOCBase, you know >sort of a gig list going way back? Just wondering... Last time I visited Underbelly On-Line, they did not have such a thing as a gig list. Even an extended tape list would help - but there is none. I once proposed to have Bolle's tape list serve as a gig list. Jerry From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Jun 1 04:12:08 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 04:12:08 -0400 Subject: Finding Goldmine Message-ID: >To those looking for Goldmine on the newsstands, good luck. You may have to >write to the mag for copies. This from the editor: "The issue got a great >response and seems to be sold out just about everywhere." Hmm? There were at least two dozen left on the racks at a store here. If anyone can't find one I could probably get some more... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Sat Jun 1 05:46:00 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 05:46:00 EDT Subject: HW: Dark Sun Message-ID: Greetings Space Cadets! Great news from Finland is that Dark Sun's debut single is out. It's a 7" with two great tracks - Song the seaman's bane & Feed your mind. They are in the Prog/Space rock field and It's a band that does their very own music in the Hawkwind- area without copying our heroes ( Dark Sun reminds me of darXtar, Swedish megastars). You can also hear Dark Sun on the HW cover-tapes with some great HW-songs. If you would like to buy a copy of their new single please contact: Metamorphos Rantamaki 2 B 6 02230 Espoo Finland Send $5 to cover the cost for the single and p&p. You won't be dissapointed. Cheers Henrik (darXtar and Dark Sun fan from the north of Sweden) btw. I love the new live-CD from Hawkwind, their best so far. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jun 1 07:59:10 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 12:59:10 +0100 Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary In-Reply-To: <199606010405.VAA29903@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> from "William Stone" at May 31, 96 09:05:25 pm Message-ID: > Today the world lost a great visionary, a mind that grasped realities > which most of us cannot imagine, let alone experience. May he relish > the ultimate trip. This day I mourn. Not entirely off topic this--there's a clear HW connection since there was some weird benefit gig HW was doing for Leary while he was in jail. And I think his wife said that ol' Tim and she considered Hawkwind the most highly evolved band on the planet (presumably from a mental/ spiritual point of view ;) Good ol' Tim--who said nothing interesting ever came out of Harvard? :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jun 1 08:53:14 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 13:53:14 +0100 Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Jun 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > Good ol' Tim--who said nothing interesting ever came out of > Harvard? :) Wasn't it Tom Lehrer? Jon /_________________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 460728) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ========================================================================| | "`It's a Venusian space bassist,' said Turner the bird being." | | (Hawkwind, sleeve notes to 'Doremi Fasol Latido') | \_________________________________________________________________________/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jun 1 09:16:58 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 14:16:58 +0100 Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary In-Reply-To: from "Jon Jarrett" at Jun 1, 96 01:53:14 pm Message-ID: > > Good ol' Tim--who said nothing interesting ever came out of > > Harvard? :) > > Wasn't it Tom Lehrer? Right, that's _two_ interesting things that came out of Harvard! (Now, had the Radcliffe merger taken place when Deb was there? :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sat Jun 1 10:35:21 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:35:21 +0200 Subject: HW: Well Monster Magnet really Message-ID: >>I have got 5YAMT on the cds "Dopes to infinity" but theres a couple of=20 >>different versions. >> >Damn, then I got one of the ones without this song. Are there any other songs >on the one release that are not on the one I have? > >Duane > There is a live song, but I can't remember wich one right now -I'll check it out when I come home tonight... I have also another "Dopes to infinity" cds, with a strange instrumental song, pretty much in the same way as TAB (but shorter...). MVH -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sat Jun 1 13:07:13 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 13:07:13 -0400 Subject: HW: (-ish) Man Message-ID: Just picked up a copy of Deke Leonard's new book, _Rhinos, Winos & Lunatics: The legend of Man, a rock'n'roll band_. Lots of great stuff, including the full story of Martin Ace in Paris... - Andy From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Jun 1 15:15:46 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 14:15:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Nik Appearance on Baaah Message-ID: That is, Nik appears on an album by Big Amongst Sheep, "Terminal Velocity", which I picked up for a quarter last Mon. He plays sax or flute on about half the songs. The album didn't sound too spectacular, but I've only listened to it once... Chuck From stayer at PI.NET Sat Jun 1 12:53:23 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 09:53:23 PDT Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary Message-ID: Wylie wrote: > Today the world lost a great visionary, a mind that grasped realities >which most of us cannot imagine, let alone experience. May he relish >the ultimate trip. This day I mourn. Didn't he say (first week of May) that he wanted to commit suicide by taking an overdose on something? The whole event had to be video taped and broadcast on tv and internet. I guess this did not happen? Jerry From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Sat Jun 1 21:15:51 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 18:15:51 -0700 Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary In-Reply-To: <199606010405.VAA29903@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 May 1996, William Stone wrote: > Today the world lost a great visionary, a mind that grasped realities > which most of us cannot imagine, let alone experience. May he relish > the ultimate trip. This day I mourn. > > Wylie > He'll probably wake up in a Mexican flophouse and groan, "Ugh! What a bad dream . . ." From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Sat Jun 1 21:18:16 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 18:18:16 -0700 Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Jun 1996, Jerry wrote: > Wylie wrote: > > > Today the world lost a great visionary, a mind that grasped realities > >which most of us cannot imagine, let alone experience. May he relish > >the ultimate trip. This day I mourn. > > Didn't he say (first week of May) that he wanted to commit suicide by taking > an overdose on something? The whole event had to be video taped and > broadcast on tv and internet. I guess this did not happen? > > Jerry > He was intending to commit suicide "on-line", and has had a web page for some time (http\\:www.leary.org? something like that). He died in his sleep, and his last words were pretty interesting . . . From chriss at MDC.NET Sat Jun 1 16:57:00 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 21:57:00 +0100 Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary Message-ID: >On Sat, 1 Jun 1996, Jerry wrote: > >> Wylie wrote: >> >> > Today the world lost a great visionary, a mind that grasped realities >> >which most of us cannot imagine, let alone experience. May he relish >> >the ultimate trip. This day I mourn. >> >> Didn't he say (first week of May) that he wanted to commit suicide by taking >> an overdose on something? The whole event had to be video taped and >> broadcast on tv and internet. I guess this did not happen? >> >> Jerry >> >He was intending to commit suicide "on-line", and has had a web page for >some time (http\\:www.leary.org? something like that). He died in his >sleep, and his last words were pretty interesting . . . "Why not" and "Yeah" were his last words.... You find them interesting??? His dying was videotaped accorrding to my local paper Boston Globe) but they weren't sure if the video would show up on the web or not. Chris From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Jun 2 07:36:36 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 13:36:36 +0200 Subject: HW: Manchester 1976 tape Message-ID: Hi folks I've got here a problem with a tape from HAWKWIND This tape has the following track listing 18.09.76, MANCHESTER, PALACE THEATRE paradox / instrumental / back on the streets / chronoglide skyway / hassan i sahba / wind of change / steppenwolf / uncle sam's on mars / brainstorm I / right stuff / brainstorm II / instrumental / time for sale / sonic attack / kerb crawler / magnu / paranoia / master of the universe This track listing is different to the track listings from the other tapes of this tour (ASTOUNDING TOUR) What I want to now is if there exists another tape from the MANCHESTER 1976 gig with a different track listing to the track listing I have. Thanks for the help Bernhard From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jun 2 09:05:28 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 14:05:28 +0100 Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Jerry writes >Didn't he say (first week of May) that he wanted to commit suicide by taking >an overdose on something? The whole event had to be video taped and >broadcast on tv and internet. I guess this did not happen? > >Jerry Tim had intended to be "the first interactive suicide" on the Internet but sadly, cancer overtook him. See http://www.leary.com -- Jon Browne From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Sun Jun 2 13:27:02 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr Pepper (they call me Mister Pibb)) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:27:02 +0100 Subject: Lemmy & Zig & Zag Message-ID: For those people who missed Zig & Zag's Dirty Deeds, their task this week was to collect swimsuits from the Baywatch crew, during this they also collected a campervan full of naked people. At the end they ran away and the police tried to return the van to its owner. They phoned up the owner (the Lemster) who pointed out that the naked people weren't his, obviously, and wanted the police to keep them. What I would like to know is was he in any more of the programme than this bit? For those of you who do not know what I'm talking about Zig and Zag are space aliens from Ireland who carry out tasks for money, whilst they are not presenting bits of the Big Breakfast. I hope this clears it up. Mike w From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Jun 2 18:27:39 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:27:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet "25.......Tab" Message-ID: I just bought this at Best Buy. Earlier, one person said this CD is 60 minutes long, then another said 48 minutes. Mine is about 60 minutes. There are four tracks listed on the insert: "Tab..." "25" "Longhair" "Lord 13" And yet there are five tracks on the CD itself. Can't figure out what's going on, and the insert doesn't help, as there is absolutely no info, not even credits. Can any MM expert collectors explain? Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Jun 2 18:30:08 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:30:08 -0500 Subject: HW: More disks sighted Message-ID: Once again, there is still a copy of Hawklords Live for $4.99 at the nearest Best Buy, but yesterday at another BB, I spotted Hawklords Live, Spirit Of The Age and Live Seventy-Nine for $5.99, one each (CDs). Just thought I'd let you know... Chuck From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 2 17:32:16 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:32:16 +1100 Subject: OFF: Nektar & Calvert Message-ID: Sort of on topic I suppose .... I was out looking for rare vinyl on the weekend, and saw a pre-loved Nektar album from about 1975. Looking at the rear cover, it credits one Bob Calvert as "Ring Master" on track 4. I can't remember the title of the LP, but the cover was themed around a circus. Does anyone know anything about this release and Calvert's part in it? Sonique (who has to admit that _LiS_ isn't as bad as he made out) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 3 00:51:46 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 00:51:46 BST Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary In-Reply-To: Jerry's message of Sat, 1 Jun 1996 09:53:23 PDT Message-ID: Jerry writes: > Wylie wrote: > > > Today the world lost a great visionary, a mind that grasped realities > >which most of us cannot imagine, let alone experience. May he relish > >the ultimate trip. This day I mourn. > > Didn't he say (first week of May) that he wanted to commit suicide by taking > an overdose on something? The whole event had to be video taped and > broadcast on tv and internet. I guess this did not happen? He said he was thinking of committing suicide live online. I reckon a lot of that was just his normal showmanship. Apparently he died in his sleep. However, Celestis are to put some of his ashes into a cannister and put it in Earth orbit so it's always possible he'll be a hit again at some time in the future ;-) I could never manage to read any of the stuff he wrote but a biography of him that I did read reveals a bright subversive iconoclast with a definite gift of the blarney. I'll always regret that during the "Return Engagement" tour which premiered at the Edinburgh Film Festival, our government saw fit to allow Liddy not enter the UK but not Leary. FoFP From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sun Jun 2 21:57:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 20:57:00 -0500 Subject: Remasters (revisited) Message-ID: Hello, Well I just borrowed a couple of the remasters (thanks Bob) and what can I say!!! WOW!! I really love the first lp so I had to go for that one and it is really great. The clarity excellent. It has the same sort of over allproduction quality, but better. The Cymbaline was very cool. I am not listening to Doremi and it is totally blowing me away.. I have a new appreciation for this lp.. The headphones also seem to put you into another realm.......phew...... Anyone out there who has the Los ANgeles 1990 show blown away by the opening version of Angels of Death? This is quite incredible. Anyway, I will be off line for about three weeks starting the 7th as I am going to San Francisco for two meetings, so I will talk to you all again later.... Scott ObVideo- GONG- Cleveleand 3/10/96 ObCD- HW-Doremi faso Latido ObLp- Porcupine Tree- Waiting 12" ObCs- Metallica- LOAD Adv. tape From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Sun Jun 2 21:46:48 1996 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 20:46:48 -0500 Subject: Hw:off soma Message-ID: HI I just got a CD by a band called SOMA I think it is pretty dam good the CD is SOMA/EPSILON can anyone tell me about this group. SOMA are Scott skinner vocals Trange cloudy space bass & the elements Stephen lissenden moog synths, synths Steve kidney guitar & vogals Philip legende drums, percussion Randy hawkwind at interaccess.com From delacour at UNM.EDU Sun Jun 2 22:43:30 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 20:43:30 -0600 Subject: BBQ Review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: BOC-l; Jean & I just returned from a 5 day vacation in SF, to include the 1st Annual BOC BBQ. To sum things up, we had a great time with some very nice people. Che (#1 BOC Fan) picked us up at our hotel early Saturday morning and drove an hour up north to Santa Rosa. We were greeted at the door by the Brewmeister, Charlie Gow and by Doug (DWNTHEMTN). We helped set up a few things, such as making "Backstage Pass Laminates" for all BOC fans who were to attend (about 10 in all). Charlie treated us to some excellent food such as his BBQ beans, which he aptly called "Devine Wind". He also made a great BBQ sauce that he calls "The Red & The Black". We were off- ered some of his homebrew, but I don't drink. However, those in attendance claim that his brands of beers are very good. We spent all day talking about, what else, BOC, watching videos from the past and present and listening to CDs and live BOC tapes. Other BOC-FC people in attendance were Ed & Anita (from LA), Jack & Alma (from WA), Doug (also from WA), Che (from Bay Area) and a few people that were to come on Sunday, which we did not attend on that day. We left full, tired and happy at about 11PM and Che was nice enough to give us a ride back to our hotel in SF. In all, we had a great time and it was well worth the effort to make that 1,000 mile trip from Albuquerque to SF to spend some time with great people talking about the greatest band in rock and roll. Plans are underway for next year's BBQ. We will see what will happen. God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 3 04:27:14 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:27:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Record Collector / Moorcock int. In-Reply-To: <199605311849.OAA29240@pobox.upenn.edu> Message-ID: >> I'd be particularly interested in a copy/transcription of the Moorcock >> portion of the interview if anyone could swing that? >> >> Allan. > > could someone post the pages that the interview(s) were on > and the vol/number and month (may or june?)... > > many thanks! > > --dave > ps--Allan:ILL Record Collector / June 96 Pages 84,85,86 "Michael Moorcock - occasional narrator, lyricist and sci-fi writer of repute" "I was Bob Calvert's understudy basically. When he was in the loony bin, I would attempt to tour with them. I first got involved with the group while I was organising free gigs under the motorway at Ladbroke Grove, in the days when we all felt the community spirit. I'd written "Sonic Attack" for them, Bob got carted off by the men in white coats, and that's when I appeared with them. What I liked about Hawkwind was that they seemed like the crazed crew of a spaceship that didn't quite knowhow everything worked but nevertheless wanted to try everything out . There was a sense that they were completely out of it, but yet were producing something actually very interesting. And what I *really* liked about them was that they weren't pretentious. There were a lot of people who the minute they stated using electronic music started talking about Stockhausen, which I think is crap, frankly. They didn't have any of those hi-faluting claims for themselves. I could never listen to any of the records. I can't stand any record of mine. I don't read my own books. Life's too short! There's a lot better stuff than that in the world! I enjoyed doing it, and I have a lot of admiration for Dave Brock and what he did with the band. I like the fact that they stuck to the principles they believed in, particularly the first decade. I don't see a great deal of difference between Hawkwind and what punk was doing. It was just the same, really, with different haircuts. There was as much idealism, disgust with hypocrisy, and Hawkwind had this reputation as a peace and love band, but none of the lyrics were like that at all. It was urban stuff that could have been written ten or twenty years later. I was always very sceptical about the whole peace and love aspect of it all. I was for the sentiments, but you needed something more than just a peace sign and another joint." Any typos mine, sorry!-- Jon Browne From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 3 10:06:56 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:06:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOCbase? Message-ID: Chris wrote: >I was wondering if on the web somewhere is sort of a BOCBase, you know >sort of a gig list going way back? Just wondering... and Jerry replied: Last time I visited Underbelly On-Line, they did not have such a thing as a gig list. Even an extended tape list would help - but there is none. I once proposed to have Bolle's tape list serve as a gig list. As far as I know, Bolle is putting together a tape collector's guide to BOC, which will have a list of all known BOC shows -- status of the project is uncertain from my point of view, but I'll try and remember to ask him about it when I talk to him this month. You might try sending a SASE to Bolle and either get his tape list, or ask him if he could send you a list of all known BOC shows. See the FAQ, Cult Classic, or the Brain Surgeons' CD's for his address, or e-mail bocfanclub at aol.com John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 3 10:11:26 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:11:26 -0400 Subject: Finding Goldmine Message-ID: Deb sez: To those looking for Goldmine on the newsstands, good luck. You may have to write to the mag for copies. This from the editor: "The issue got a great response and seems to be sold out just about everywhere." And I've got 2 extra copies which I'll make available to listmembers who couldn't get one -- for a small fee, of course ;-) Send e-mail to jswartz at mitre.org (NOT BOC-L) for info. John From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Jun 3 11:25:29 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:25:29 -0400 Subject: Monster Magnet(s) Message-ID: It sure is quiet today. Where did everybody go? I saw part of the video of Negasonic on MTV last night and the end credits were to Monster Magnets. I thought it was Monster Magnet without the s Martyn Surely the list is right and MTV is wrong! From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Jun 3 10:38:46 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:38:46 +0000 Subject: Hw:off soma Message-ID: Randy wrote: > > HI > I just got a CD by a band called SOMA I think it is pretty dam good > the CD is SOMA/EPSILON can anyone tell me about this group. > SOMA are > Scott skinner vocals > Trange cloudy space bass & the elements > Stephen lissenden moog synths, synths > Steve kidney guitar & vogals > Philip legende drums, percussion > Randy > hawkwind at interaccess.comi've got a tape of this.while the music kicks,the weak vocals ruined it for me.i think this band would be better without vocals altogether.imo it can be filed in the same bin as "dragon".sure others will disagree, tho'. rj From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Jun 3 10:43:58 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:43:58 +0000 Subject: Remasters (revisited) Message-ID: Scott Heller (617) 724-7762 wrote: > what can I say!!! I am not listening to Doremi and it is totally blowing me away.. I have a new appreciation for this lp.. ------------ it's a pretty damned awsome lp, that can produce that kind of reaction by NOT being listened to. :) rj From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Mon Jun 3 15:02:56 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:02:56 -0400 Subject: OFF: Nektar & Calvert In-Reply-To: <199606022235.IAA24013@uluru.ozonline.com.au> from "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=" at Jun 3, 96 08:32:16 am Message-ID: Paul asks.... > > Sort of on topic I suppose .... > > I was out looking for rare vinyl on the weekend, and saw a pre-loved > Nektar album from about 1975. Looking at the rear cover, it credits > one Bob Calvert as "Ring Master" on track 4. I can't remember the > title of the LP, but the cover was themed around a circus. Does > anyone know anything about this release and Calvert's part in it? This would be 'Down to Earth'....not to be confused with the Rainbow album of the same name. Anyway, Bob's role is *exactly* that...the ringmaster. This was sort of a conceptual piece (as Nektar was apt to do), all based upon the circus as you said. Anyway, it was not received very well by the general public who began to take serious notice of Nektar with 'Remember the Future'. I myself don't think it's that awful an album, but it's somewhat hit and miss. 'Nellie the Elephant' is pretty interesting, and begins with Calvert's ranting...'Astral Man' is ok too. But after the strong start, the album kinda goes downhill. There's one song on the second side I really like, but for the life of me, I can't think of the title right now. As far as track 4 goes, I'm not sure what that means....He 'announces' (for lack of better word) the first two at least - not sure if his voice appears anywhere else. But if you're not familiar with Nektar much, this wouldn't be the best place to start (although interestingly it was the first one I got....mainly because I saw Calvert was credited). Nektar was one of those rare instances when they did their best work on their very first album (IMHO)....Journey to the Centre of the Eye. I should note that the mix/sound on my CD of this album (I never did find the vinyl, so I can't tell you whether the CD transfer is at fault) is abysmal. But then, the Remember the Future album was similarly fubar-ed by using an experimental quadrophonic master as the basis for the CD reissue. Hence, only two of four channels ended up on the CD...the mix is very keyboard heavy, at the expense of guitar and vocal I think. Another band that seriously needs the recent remaster midas touch that Hawkwind and other old groups have received. Keith H. ObCut Seven - DarXtar (best DarXtar track yet!) (and it bears *some* resemblance to 7 x 7 methinks.....) P.S. On the pronounciation of Sju....my friend Mr. Hellstrom says it like he trying to say 'who' and 'coo' at the same time. Either that, or he's trying to clear his throat from all the lutefisk he's been eating. From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Jun 3 20:12:45 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:12:45 BST Subject: HW: Amsterdam Message-ID: It looks like I'll be going to the Amsterdam gig now, is anyone else still going? Could somebody confirm what I have written down in my diary, is the gig on the 26th of June at the Paradiso? cheers - Rob From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Mon Jun 3 15:42:50 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:42:50 +0100 Subject: Off but ON: Tim Leary In-Reply-To: <199606031740.SAA10854@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Tim had intended to be "the first interactive suicide" on the Internet > but sadly, cancer overtook him. > > See http://www.leary.com I heard someone say today that his last posted message read: Well... not! Maxine From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Mon Jun 3 17:19:28 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:19:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Record Collector / Moorcock int. In-Reply-To: <2q3SwBAiHqsxEwZp@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > >> I'd be particularly interested in a copy/transcription of the Moorcock > >> portion of the interview if anyone could swing that? > > Record Collector / June 96 Pages 84,85,86 > > [snip] Thanks Jon! Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Jun 3 13:41:05 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:41:05 +0000 Subject: HW: Amsterdam Message-ID: Rob wrote: > > It looks like I'll be going to the Amsterdam gig now, is anyone else > still going? Could somebody confirm what I have written down in my > diary, is the gig on the 26th of June at the Paradiso? > > cheers - Rob-------------------- -------------------- that's the information i have.... my wife and i will be going,as will bill and beverly stewart. rj From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Jun 3 17:56:31 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:56:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Amsterdam Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-03 15:13:34 EDT, you write: > It looks like I'll be going to the Amsterdam gig now, is anyone else > still going? Could somebody confirm what I have written down in my > diary, is the gig on the 26th of June at the Paradiso? You have it right. I'll be there with Beverly , and RJ will be there with Karyn and a couple of my friends will also be there. Carl Anderson should be there also, Carl? Party at the Greenhouse? Who else? Who else for Brixton, Brentwood and Guildford? regards, Bill Stewart iI From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Jun 3 20:46:19 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:46:19 -0700 Subject: Hw:off soma Message-ID: You wrote: > >Randy wrote: >> >> HI >> I just got a CD by a band called SOMA I think it is pretty dam good >> the CD is SOMA/EPSILON can anyone tell me about this group. >> >for me.i think this band would be better without vocals altogether. Agreed there. Also the attempts at synth effects are so repetitive that the get really annoying. They just set a sine wave and go. Really makes you appreciate the creativity of the likes of Del, DikMik or Tim Blake. Speaking of, whatever became of DikMik? Wylie From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Jun 3 21:36:48 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:36:48 -0400 Subject: Subscibing Message-ID: Would someone be good enough to post the directions on subscribing to this list? regards, Bill Stewart From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Jun 3 23:21:13 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:21:13 -0400 Subject: Lemmy & Zig & Zag Message-ID: Dr Pepper they call me Mr Pibb writes: For those of you who do not know what I'm talking about Zig and Zag are space aliens from Ireland who carry out tasks for money, whilst they are not presenting bits of the Big Breakfast. I hope this clears it up. Yeah I can certainly see real clearly now. Thanks a bunch! :-) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 4 03:30:01 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 08:30:01 +0100 Subject: Lemmy & Zig & Zag In-Reply-To: <960603232038_127235330@emout10.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Jun 3, 96 11:21:13 pm Message-ID: >> For those of you who do not know what I'm talking about Zig and Zag are >> space aliens from Ireland who carry out tasks for money, whilst they are >> not presenting bits of the Big Breakfast. I hope this clears it up. > > Yeah I can certainly see real clearly now. Thanks a bunch! :-) Only on this list could that have been considered an explanation .... :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 4 03:41:08 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 08:41:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Amsterdam In-Reply-To: <960603175556_406423321@emout09.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at Jun 3, 96 05:56:31 pm Message-ID: Re: HW in Amsterdam > You have it right. I'll be there with Beverly , and RJ will be there with > Karyn and a couple of my friends will also be there. Carl Anderson should be > there also, Carl? Still up in the air! I've no idea how to get a ticket, and I want to figure that out and then work out how much getting there and back will cost before I decide. > Party at the Greenhouse? Who else? Who else for Brixton, Brentwood and > Guildford? Brixton here! That's for sure. I was considering Ipswich since Tim so kindly (foolishly) offered crash space to people heading that way. Basically, what other shows I go to depends on what I do with Amsterdam ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 4 11:11:04 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:11:04 BST Subject: Lemmy & Zig & Zag In-Reply-To: they call me Mister Pibb's message of Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:27:02 +0100 Message-ID: they call me Mister Pibb writes: > For those people who missed Zig & Zag's Dirty Deeds, their task this > week was to collect swimsuits from the Baywatch crew, during this they > also collected a campervan full of naked people. At the end they ran away > and the police tried to return the van to its owner. They phoned up the > owner (the Lemster) who pointed out that the naked people weren't his, > obviously, and wanted the police to keep them. What I would like to know > is was he in any more of the programme than this bit? > > For those of you who do not know what I'm talking about Zig and Zag are > space aliens from Ireland who carry out tasks for money, whilst they are > not presenting bits of the Big Breakfast. I hope this clears it up. Almost. What's "Breakfast"? > Mike w FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 4 11:12:16 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:12:16 BST Subject: OFF: Nektar & Calvert In-Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?='s message of Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:32:16 +1100 Message-ID: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?= writes: > Sort of on topic I suppose .... > > I was out looking for rare vinyl on the weekend, and saw a pre-loved > Nektar album from about 1975. Looking at the rear cover, it credits > one Bob Calvert as "Ring Master" on track 4. I can't remember the > title of the LP, but the cover was themed around a circus. Does > anyone know anything about this release and Calvert's part in it? Yep, the album has a circus theme and Bob Calvert does the ringmaster announcements. > Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 4 11:18:06 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:18:06 BST Subject: OFF: Nektar & Calvert In-Reply-To: Keith A Henderson's message of Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:02:56 -0400 Message-ID: Keith A Henderson writes: > But if you're not familiar with Nektar much, this wouldn't be the best place to > start (although interestingly it was the first one I got....mainly because I > saw Calvert was credited). Nektar was one of those rare instances when they > did their best work on their very first album (IMHO)....Journey to the Centre > of the Eye. Also the first side of "Tab In The Ocean" is pretty damned good. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 4 11:20:41 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:20:41 BST Subject: HW: Amsterdam In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:56:31 -0400 Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > In a message dated 96-06-03 15:13:34 EDT, you write: > > > It looks like I'll be going to the Amsterdam gig now, is anyone else > > still going? Could somebody confirm what I have written down in my > > diary, is the gig on the 26th of June at the Paradiso? > > You have it right. I'll be there with Beverly , and RJ will be there with > Karyn and a couple of my friends will also be there. Carl Anderson should be > there also, Carl? > Party at the Greenhouse? Who else? Who else for Brixton, Brentwood and > Guildford? I doubt I have the cash to make Amsterdam but I'll try to reach Brixton and take it from there. > regards, > Bill Stewart FoFP From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Jun 4 07:51:38 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 07:51:38 -0400 Subject: HW/BOC: On tour with the Manband Message-ID: One interesting thing from Deke Leonard's memoirs is that Man are among those few bands to have toured with both Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult (Motorhead are another, of course); relations between Man and BOC don't appear to have been exactly cordial, but then considering the amount of drugs Leonard was getting through, his testimony must be regarded as unreliable :) (Must have been '75 or so... REO Speedwagon were the other band on the tour.) - Andy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Jun 4 07:57:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 07:57:00 EDT Subject: OTHER: Barlow on Leary (long) Message-ID: After reading comment's on Tim Leary, I thought this may be of interest. FoFP noted he was an iconoclast, none other than Richard Nixon publicly decried him as the "most dangerous man in America" during his presidency. He went out with that spirit and here is a tale of one of his last escapades. I'm not necessarily espousing his views, but I do admire his spirit. ---------- > To: Friends of Barlow > From: John Perry Barlow > Subject: Long Live Timothy Leary > > A couple of hours ago, at 12:45 am Beverly Hills time, my old friend and > the corrupter of my youth Timothy Leary made good on his promise to > "give death a better name or die trying." Willingly, peacefully, and > unafraid, he headed off on his last trip. > > He spoke his last words a few hours before. On the phone to the > mordant William S. Burroughs he said, "I hope that someday I'm as funny > as you are." > > He didn't, as threatened, commit suicide on the Net. Or have his head cut > off and frozen. Or engage in any other the other spectacles of departure > I had dreaded. In the end, he surrounded himself with the angelic band of > twenty-somethings who have been uploading him into the Web these last > few months and drifted peacefully out of here. > > I was headed his way when he died. When I was with him earlier this > month he said, "When I leave here, Barlow, I want your face to be one of > the last things I see." I think that was one of the sweetest things anyone > ever said to me, and I was trying to make it possible, but death proved > itself once again to be bigger and faster than either of us. The phone just > rang in the middle of this rainy Wyoming night, and now I'm here naked in > the dark trying to think of something to follow him out with. > > Two years ago, Cynthia and I spent our last day together with Timmy. > When she died the next day and it became so shockingly clear to both of > us how strange this culture has become on the subject of the second > commonest event in the world, how weirdly shameful is dying in > America, we both thought it time to bring death out of the closet. I did so > by grieving her, and continuing to grieve her, more publicly than is polite > in a culture that claims for itself the ability to conquer and control > everything. > > But Timmy beat me to the barricades. He flat died. And he died, without > pretending that he was "really going to get well any day now," without > permitting himself to become a ghoulish and futile medical experiment, > without contributing to the stupefying mass denial that causes almost > 80% of America's health care dollars to be blown on the last six months > of life. > > He died unashamed and having, as usual, a great time. > > A few weeks ago, the denizens of leary.com and I rented a phalanx of > wheel chairs and rode them with him into the House of Blues on Sunset > Strip, a place that likely had never seen fifteen people in wheel chairs > before. > > After a truly merry time, we were headed back to his house and on the > way came within a smile of Tim Leary's Last Bust. > > We cruising west on Sunset. And the sun was setting. The top was > down on my metallic mauve rent-a-convertible. A couple of the web girls, > Trudy and Camilla, were sitting on the trunk like psychedelic prom > queens, shoop-de-booping to the funk station on the radio, volume at > eleven. Both the girls were beautiful, Trudy like a character from > Neuromancer, Camilla like a character from Botticelli. The air was sweet > and soft as a negligee on our faces, and the light had that elegiac quality > that makes people think LA might not be so bad after all. > > Timmy gave me a high five and grinned. "Life is good!" he shouted over > the music. As I looked up to meet his raised hand, I saw in my rear view > mirror, past the swaying torsos of the girls, the rotating reds of a real > Beverly Hills cop. > > Of course we were in possession of several of those substances that > we considered safe and effective but which this culture, in another of its > dangerous madnesses, has declared lethal, probably to distract heat > from its own deadly drugs of choice. Furthermore, I had only recently > paid an astonishingly steep California fine for allowing a friend to stand > up through the sunroof of a car I was driving. > > He pulled us over in front of the Beverly Hills Hotel. He looked like an > Eagle Scout. > > "Officer," I said, nodding back at the still improperly seated girls, "I > know what we were doing was wrong. But you see, my friend here is > dying, and we're trying to show him a good time." Timmy, without saying > anything, smiled sheepishly at the cop and nodded, caught in the act. > > He looked like hell but he sure looked happy. > > The officer gazed into Timmy's beatific skull-face and lost his starch. > "Well," he said to the girls, "I'd be lying if I didn't say that looks like > fun, but just because he's dying doesn't mean you should. Now get > down in the seat and buckle up and I'll let you go." I felt like honest death > had just made one of its first converts. > > In thirty years of following Tim Leary around, he's given me some > wonderful and hair-raising moments. He has been father, anti-father, > partner-in-crime, and devout fellow-worshipper of all that is female in > this world. We loved each other, and shared more memories than I will > ever relate. But I think the look he gave that cop is the memory I will > cherish most. > > As usual he was "cocking snooks at authority," as Aldous Huxley once > accused him. But he was doing it, also as usual, with wit. And with love. > > America managed to forgive Richard Nixon when he died. I hope they will > extend the same amnesty to a real hero, Dr. Timothy Leary. > > Yrs, > > John Perry > > **************************************************************** > John Perry Barlow, Cognitive Dissident > Co-Founder, Electronic Frontier Foundation > > Home(stead) Page: http://www.eff.org/~barlow > > In Memoriam, Dr. Cynthia Horner, Jerry Garcia, and Timothy Leary From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 4 13:34:46 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:34:46 BST Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary In-Reply-To: Le Monsieur Damon's message of Sat, 1 Jun 1996 01:46:26 -0500 Message-ID: There's a Guardian (newspaper) obit. I've got somewhere around which I'll type in if anyone is interested. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Jun 4 10:18:11 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:18:11 EST Subject: HW: Kris Tait/Dave Brock Message-ID: Just picked up a copy of Kris Tait's book "Do Not Panic", published in very early eighties. Contains a history of HW up to about 1979. Apparently Kris was a regular at HW shows for many a year, and she also used to run some branch of HW merchandising. I understand that Dave Brock's wife is also named Kris. Is this by any chance the same woman? If indeed this is her, did she write this book before or after marrying the chief Hawklord? Does she have any obvious business involvement with HW these days? Any data appreciated for this curious Hawkfan... Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From jguizar at EPIX.NET Tue Jun 4 09:23:32 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:23:32 -0400 Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary In-Reply-To: <9606041334.aa12855@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In <9606041334.aa12855 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, on 06/04/96 at 01:34 PM, J Strobridge said: >There's a Guardian (newspaper) obit. I've got somewhere around which I'll >type in if anyone is interested. There's a R.U. Sirius from MONDO 2000 who talks about him at http://www.pop.com too. ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 4 14:40:36 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:40:36 BST Subject: HW: Kris Tait/Dave Brock In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:18:11 EST Message-ID: cjohnson writes: > Just picked up a copy of Kris Tait's book "Do Not Panic", published > in very early eighties. Contains a history of HW up to about 1979. > Apparently Kris was a regular at HW shows for many a year, and she > also used to run some branch of HW merchandising. > I understand that Dave Brock's wife is also named Kris. Is this by > any chance the same woman? I thought that Kris was living with Dave but I didn't realise they'd been married. > If indeed this is her, did she write > this book before or after marrying the chief Hawklord? I guess. Dave's previous wife committed suicide I believe (?) which inspired the song "Motherless Children". > Does she > have any obvious business involvement with HW these days? She's usually at the gigs working the merchandise stall. > Any data appreciated for this curious Hawkfan... Such info is hard to come by. Dave Brock is very adamant about his private life staying private, which is a lot of the reason he can be hostile to fans who just turn up at his farm. > Captain Cloud FoFP From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Jun 4 10:50:36 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:50:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Kris Tait/Dave Brock Message-ID: She was also one of the fire-eaters on the last tour, according to the _LiS_ notes. - Andy From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Jun 4 11:25:20 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:25:20 -0400 Subject: HW: Kris Tait/Dave Brock Message-ID: Kris also plays the role of Zarozania in the Live Chronicles Video as well as a fireeater in the Live Legends Video. regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Jun 4 11:29:36 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:29:36 -0400 Subject: Monster Magnet(s) Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-03 13:45:06 EDT, you write: >I thought it >was Monster Magnet without the s > >Martyn > >Surely the list is right and MTV is wrong! Surely, for sure. regards, Bill Stewart From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 4 10:02:53 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:02:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Record Collector / Dave Brock interview In-Reply-To: <31B323B1.663C@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: 2nd in a series of six (no promises!) Dave Brock - "guitarist, sole remaining original member" " We alawys used to get slagged off in the press for playing the same three chords, but simplicity in music is always the key, and I've got a very traditional way of playing. Lots of it doesn't sound dated - the first album still sounded good when I played the new CD yesterday. I still take the sci-fi stuff seriously ; I've got a huge library now. We all used to read the books, and you'll find that a lot of what was written in the fifties has now become an accepted part of life. We've decieded to do this story of an alien who comes to Earth, which has obviously been done before. But now with Roswell and The X-Files , everyone seems to be interested in it again. Last year's tour was very spacey and tribalistic - you can't go wrong with that! We always used to record under the influence of LSD, and back then it was a very pure form, not corrupted by crap. I used to take LSD when I was about to mix those old albums, so you could get all those thiings you knew would register when audiences were under the same influence. There was a community. We used to live in Notting Hill, which was an arty place to live. We all lived in the area and for a while we shared a house. When that happens, you tend to think along similar lines. We did loads of benefits then, all living in London, going to the same clubs. But we've continued doing that to some extent, the odd charity gig. After the big crunch occurred in 1975, when the band first split up, I carried on Hawkwind with Bob Calvert. The band was full of larger than life characters - there was Nik, Lemmy, Bob Calvert - strong personalities who could write good music too. Actually, that had a lot to do with the split as well. I wasn't too keen on Nik going out as Hawkwind because a lot of people turned up expecting to see us. We were pissed off because basically we are Hawkwind, and just because Nik decides he wants to make a bit of money at the time....though I have to say it wasn't a bad sounding band! He did the same thing in Europe and it fucked it up for us just before we went out on tour over there. I don't know if we'll ever get back together all those line-ups ( like last years Gong reunion gig.) Lemmy lives in America and so does Alan Powell. Del Dettmar lives in Canada. Simon House still plays with the band on and off, but he's about the only one. " Typo's mine, sorry. Tomorrow, Uncle Nik. -- Jon Browne From uriah at BELIAL.STUD.LGU.SPB.SU Tue Jun 4 14:39:47 1996 From: uriah at BELIAL.STUD.LGU.SPB.SU (Yuri Elik) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:39:47 +0400 Subject: HW in Germany Message-ID: Hello Bernhard! > Here they are: > HAWKWIND > GENTLE GIANT > GURU GURU > PRETTY THINGS > WILD SILK > FRUMPY > and 5 or 6 unknown bands After I have got your letter, friend of mine brought me Burg Herzberg festival's poster from Nurnberg (a nice poster btw - it's hanging on my wall now :). The list of the bands there is: HAWKWIND PRETTY THINGS RAINBIRDS * GURU GURU InterContinental Rockship * Anekdoten Mr.Amon Duul * Ritual * Missus Beastly Ax Genrich * Uli Trepte * The Perc * Wild Silk * Boxtie No mention of Gentle Giant, unfortunately :( There seems to be two possibilities: either GG was planned for this festival, but later was deleted. Or maybe it was added after this poster was printed? And, btw, does anyone know who is this Mr.Amon Duul and does he have something in common with the famous Krautrock band? Best regards, Yuri From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jun 4 21:18:38 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:18:38 PDT Subject: PotSW: KANSAS in concert w/BOC Message-ID: === People Of The South Wind - Kansas Mailing List === >KANSAS IN CONCERT, Wednesday, July 31, 1996, 8:00pm >Bicentennial Center, Salina, Kansas >In Concert with: Blue Oyster Cult, All Seats Reserved: $18.50 >Charge-By-Phone (913) 826-SHOW Kansas with BOC. In 1992 they did a European tour together (both doing a rather short set unfortunately). I hope they come over to Europe together again! Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jun 4 21:46:00 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:46:00 PDT Subject: OFF: Nektar & Calvert Message-ID: Paul, A message from one of the last Nektar fans in Holland or probably the whole world... >I was out looking for rare vinyl on the weekend, and saw a pre-loved >Nektar album from about 1975. Looking at the rear cover, it credits >one Bob Calvert as "Ring Master" on track 4. I can't remember the >title of the LP, but the cover was themed around a circus. Does >anyone know anything about this release and Calvert's part in it? Nektar - Down To Earth was released in 1974 on Bellaphon (Germany) and 1975 on Passport (USA). Rob Calvert is credited as "ringmaster" on tracks 1, 2, 4, and 5 (Astral Man, Nelly The Elephant, That's Life, and Fidgety Queen). The credits also say 'Robert Calvert arrived by courtesy of inter-city-rail"... There's a picture inside (gate-fold sleeve) - maybe Calvert's on there somewhere? (I don't know what he looks like.) Down To Earth is Nektar's first album with only shorter songs. Still good, though, but I prefer the albums before 1974, and the album right after Down To Earth. Journey To The Centre Of The Eye, 1971 A Tab In The Ocean, 1972 ...Sounds Like This, 1973 Remember The Future, 1973 (Sunday Night At London Roundhouse Nektar Live, 1974) (Down To Earth, 1974) Recycled, 1975 These are all very progressive, and if you're into HW, I would take a listen to Journey To The Centre Of The Eye and A Tab In The Ocean. Calvert's role is unclear to me. There are some spoken intros and intermezzos (just a couple of sentences) on these songs, that might be Calvert's voice. More interesting (for a Nektar fan like I am, at least) is that there seems to be a tape of a recording of Robert Calvert playing with Nektar. Live. I saw it someone's tape list (he lives in the UK), and he said it was 30 mins. I ordered it (tried to trade it), but he sent all the tapes I wanted except for the Nektar tape. Next time I asked for the tape again, and again he didn't send it. Now he claims he has lost the tape. Aaaaaaarrrrggghhhhhh! CU, Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jun 4 22:02:57 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:02:57 PDT Subject: BOC: BOCbase? Message-ID: Chris asked about a BOC gig list. Jerry replied to have Bolle's tape list serve as a gig list. John replied: >See the FAQ, Cult Classic, or >the Brain Surgeons' CD's for his address, or e-mail bocfanclub at aol.com Why not e-mail him? Or is he trying to keep his address from going public? My biggest (musical) love is progressive rock, and I'm setting up a web page for Background Magazine, the progrock mag I work for. I intend to include all releases, all musicians that played on them, songs on all releases, and bootlegs and tapes. I provide the base info, but the rest should come from the readers, otherwise it would be impossible to maintain. We could do the same with BOC. Someone starts up a web page, and people start mailing him all the info they have (tour dates, set lists). I have Bolle's tape list and about 40 BOC tapes, so that should be a good start. What do you think? Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jun 4 22:20:19 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:20:19 PDT Subject: OFF: Nektar & Calvert Message-ID: >This would be 'Down to Earth'.... >Anyway, Bob's role is *exactly* that...the ringmaster. So /that's/ it. >There's one song on the second side I really like, >but for the life of me, I can't think of the title right now. Fidgety Queen, Oh Willy, Little Boy, or Show Me The Way? >As far as track 4 goes, I'm not sure what that means....He 'announces' (for >lack of better word) the first two at least - not sure if his voice appears >anywhere else. Track four is That's Life. There's some talking at the end of the song. I have the lyrics somewhere and I will have a look. >Nektar was one of those rare instances when they >did their best work on their very first album (IMHO).... >Journey to the Centre of the Eye. Didn't I say so? >I should note that the mix/sound on my CD of this album (I never did find >vinyl, so I can't tell you whether the CD transfer is at fault) is abysmal. The vinyl isn't much better. All these experimental techniques for producing records... >Another band that seriously needs the >recent remaster midas touch that Hawkwind and other old groups have >received. I agree! CU, Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jun 4 22:16:54 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:16:54 PDT Subject: HW: Amsterdam Message-ID: Rob, > It looks like I'll be going to the Amsterdam gig now, is anyone else > still going? Could somebody confirm what I have written down in my > diary, is the gig on the 26th of June at the Paradiso? Yes, that's what I heard. June 26th, Paradiso. I think I'll get tickets this week. You UK-ers should arrange a meeting before travelling. Any other Dutch HW fans on the list who will attend the Paradiso gig? CU, Jerry From senator at UGCS.CALTECH.EDU Tue Jun 4 16:54:05 1996 From: senator at UGCS.CALTECH.EDU (Bill Bradley) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:54:05 -0700 Subject: Monster Magnet(s) In-Reply-To: <9606031525.AA07482@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Jun 3, 96 11:25:29 am Message-ID: > It sure is quiet today. Where did everybody go? > I saw part of the video of Negasonic on MTV last night and > the end credits were to Monster Magnets. I thought it > was Monster Magnet without the s > > Martyn > > Surely the list is right and MTV is wrong! Yep, it's Monster Magnet, as in the Frank Zappa track "Return of the son of Monster Magnet" from _Freak Out_. Bill From EQSHW.BLAUCHNO at STATE.UT.US Tue Jun 4 17:37:33 1996 From: EQSHW.BLAUCHNO at STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:37:33 -0600 Subject: BOC: Heavy Metal, the Movie Message-ID: I saw an ad in the newspaper the other day for the release of Heavy Metal on video cassette. Media Play advertised it's release date as June 15. I assume this is the first official release of the movie? Brad L. blauchno at state.ut.us From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Jun 4 17:42:51 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:42:51 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOCbase? Message-ID: Bolle is trying to compile a list of all BOC dates. He is requesting copies of ticket stubs to any BOC gigs anyone has attended. If you have any stubs, you may want to contact him at Bocfanclub at aol.com. R. BTW, I also use his tapelist as a giglist when necessary... From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Jun 4 17:42:54 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:42:54 -0400 Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-01 21:17:30 EDT, John wrote: >He'll probably wake up in a Mexican flophouse and groan, "Ugh! What a bad >dream . . ." Shouldn't that be: "Ugh! What a bad trip..." ;-) R. From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Jun 4 17:31:42 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 08:31:42 +1100 Subject: Lemmy & Zig & Zag Message-ID: On 2 Jun 96 Dr Pepper (they call me Miste wrote about Lemmy & Zig & Zag: > For those of you who do not know what I'm talking about Zig and Zag are > space aliens from Ireland who carry out tasks for money, whilst they are > not presenting bits of the Big Breakfast. I hope this clears it up. No they're not! Zig and Zag are two clowns who, for the last 30 years or so, have participated in Melbourne's annual "Moomba" Festival! Sonique ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Jun 4 17:31:43 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 08:31:43 +1100 Subject: OFF: Nektar & Calvert Message-ID: On 3 Jun 96 Keith A Henderson wrote about Re: OFF: Nektar & Calvert: > Paul asks.... > > > > Sort of on topic I suppose .... > > > > I was out looking for rare vinyl on the weekend, and saw a pre-loved > > Nektar album from about 1975. Looking at the rear cover, it credits > > one Bob Calvert as "Ring Master" on track 4. I can't remember the Thanks for the info Keith (and everyone else who responded) > As far as track 4 goes, I'm not sure what that means....He 'announces' (for > lack of better word) the first two at least - not sure if his voice appears > anywhere else. Where Calvert is listed in the credits, there are four asterisks after his name .... I seem to remember (but am probably wrong) that four asterisks also appeared after track four ..... > ObCut Seven - DarXtar (best DarXtar track yet!) > (and it bears *some* resemblance to 7 x 7 methinks.....) I 2nd that! Sonique ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Tue Jun 4 18:44:16 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:44:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Amsterdam In-Reply-To: <960603175556_406423321@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Reply to Bill Stewart about Re: HW: Amsterdam >In a message dated 96-06-03 15:13:34 EDT, you write: >> It looks like I'll be going to the Amsterdam gig now, is anyone else >> still going? Could somebody confirm what I have written down in my >> diary, is the gig on the 26th of June at the Paradiso? >You have it right. I'll be there with Beverly , and RJ will be there with >Karyn and a couple of my friends will also be there. Carl Anderson should be >there also, Carl? Party at the Greenhouse? Who else? Who else for Brixton, >Brentwood and Guildford? regards, Bill Stewart >iI I'm hopefully going to guildford. Is that the 23rd or 24th, I'm still a little confused. Also, slightly off topic. Do any UK people know this? According to my local paper a couple of weeks ago, Ozrics are playing at a new venue in Windsor sometime in the next week or so. Unfortionatly I've thrown away the paper so can't remember when or the venue(the old troat has closed down but it might be there if it's channged it's name). As this is only about 15 min. from me I was thinking about going but nobody seems to know anything about it. Can anybody help? Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Tue Jun 4 18:44:42 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:44:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Kris Tait/Dave Brock In-Reply-To: <960604112520_210210495@emout12.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Reply to Bill Stewart about Re: HW: Kris Tait/Dave Brock >Kris also plays the role of Zarozania in the Live Chronicles Video as well as >a fireeater in the Live Legends Video. regards, Bill Stewart I remember meeting Kris when I bought the 'Do Not Panic' book. It was, I think, at Slough in 1984. She signed the book and said it was the first copy to be sold as it had just been published, slough was the first night of the tour and I was the first person to get to the stall. As I remember she was VERY nice and we chatted for a while until more people arrived at her stall. Never got to meet her again :( Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Tue Jun 4 18:44:32 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:44:32 +0100 Subject: Lemmy & Zig & Zag In-Reply-To: <960603232038_127235330@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: >Dr Pepper they call me Mr Pibb writes: > For those of you who do not know what I'm talking about Zig and Zag are >space aliens from Ireland who carry out tasks for money, whilst they are >not presenting bits of the Big Breakfast. I hope this clears it up. >Yeah I can certainly see real clearly now. Thanks a bunch! :-) I knew that was coming when I read the original post, It's clear to people who already know who they are. :) To paraphase: Zig and Zag are glove puppets who started off as part of the morning tv show "the Big Breakfast". They interviewed celebrities. They were popular enough to get the own show on Euro-MTV and now have a show on Chan. 4 called "Dirty Deeds" (ac/dc song as theme and music). They can be quite amusing...occasionally. Lemmy was in the show one other time that I noticed(I wasn't really watching it, it just happened to be on). Near the beginning He phones the police to report the van stolen. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk " A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window" From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Tue Jun 4 19:45:15 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:45:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: Heavy Metal, the Movie Message-ID: At 03:37 PM 6/4/96 -0600, you wrote: >I saw an ad in the newspaper the other day for the release of Heavy >Metal on video cassette. Media Play advertised it's release date as June >15. I assume this is the first official release of the movie? > >Brad L. blauchno at state.ut.us > Yes - this is the first time. Shawn From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Jun 4 19:51:27 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:51:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Amsterdam Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-04 18:49:33 EDT, you write: >I'm hopefully going to guildford. Is that the 23rd or 24th, I'm still a >little >confused. 23 regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Jun 4 20:03:36 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:03:36 -0400 Subject: NIKWIND JAPAN Message-ID: Finally got the scoop on Nikwind in Japan. Got it straight from the horses mouth or more accurately, from the bass player in NikWind, Pressurehed, The Brain, etc etc. Paul Fox. >Japan was a blast. We played in Osaka (Club Quattro) on 3/16/95 and at Tokyo On >Air West in Tokyo. >Joining us for both engagements was Angel'in Heavy Syrup, an all female Japanese >psychedelic rock band. >The Nik Turner Band line-up was exactly the same as on the US '95 tour. Our light >man (Rob Jacobs-Midnight Sun) even came along with us. >I think the shows were recorded by somebody, but I haven't heard anything. Possibly >video also. Nik was supposed to have gone to record with members of the Japanese >group, the Boredoms after the rest of us flew home. He spent an extra week there >after we left, doing interviews and the like. Your Japanese friends may want to check >"Music Magazine," "Marquee," and "Crossbeat" in Japan for interviews with Nik and >Simon. >The Brain album (Access and Amplify) is set for release on June 6th on Hypnotic >records. >Pressurehed's been working on a new album, but no release date for that yet (taking >our time). >Shortly after returning from Japan, The Brain was invited to do an engagement with >Daevid Allen and Gilli Smyth of Gong (who'd just finished their US Gong reunion tour). >Daevid and Gilli did a bit of spoken word and The Brain played before and after them. >This all took place at a place called Gemini Manor in Hollywood, an interesting old >house with secret rooms and Victorian-era furniture and a garden/patio area where we >performed. Hope this answers some questions! regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Jun 4 20:09:03 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:09:03 -0400 Subject: HW OFF: The Brain Tour USA Message-ID: -CLUSTER with THE BRAIN US Tour '96- Day Date City/State Venue Thursday 6/27/96 San Francisco, CA KFJC Radio 89.7FM (interview & performance) Friday 6/28/96 San Francisco, CA Maritime Hall Wednesday 7/3/96 Tucson, AZ Luna Loca Friday 7/5/96 Los Angeles, CA Spaceland Saturday 7/6/96 Phoenix, AZ Icehouse Wednesday 7/10/96 Eugene, OR WOW Hall Thursday 7/11/96 Portland, OR Clinton St. Theatre Friday 7/12/96 l Seattle, WA Pioneer Square Theatre Saturday 7/13/96 Seattle, WA Pioneer Square Theatre Wednesday 7/17/96 Boise, ID Neurolox Friday 7/19/96 Chicago, IL Cabaret Metro Sunday 7/21/96 Minneapolis, MN KREV RADIO (interview & performance) Thursday 7/25/96 Anderson, IN A-1 Records Friday 7/26/96 Covington, KY Sunday 7/28/96 Minneapolis, MN Cedar Cultural Center Thursday 8/1/96 Buffalo, NY Hallwall's Art Center Sunday 8/4/96 New York, NY Knitting Factory Tuesday 8/6/96 Asheville, NC Thursday 8/8/96 New Orleans, LA Zeitguist Friday 8/9/96 New Orleans, LA Zeitguist From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Tue Jun 4 19:27:51 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:27:51 -0400 Subject: BOC: Heavy Metal, the Movie In-Reply-To: from "Brad M. Lauchnor" at Jun 4, 96 03:37:33 pm Message-ID: Brad says-- > > I saw an ad in the newspaper the other day for the release of Heavy > Metal on video cassette. Media Play advertised it's release date as June > 15. I assume this is the first official release of the movie? Tower Records (Richmond, VA) started selling it last night at midnight. Guido -- The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The Name that can be named is not the eternal Name. From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Jun 4 18:11:45 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:11:45 +0000 Subject: BOC: Heavy Metal, the Movie Message-ID: Brad M. Lauchnor wrote: > > I saw an ad in the newspaper the other day for the release of Heavy > Metal on video cassette. Media Play advertised it's release date as June > 15. I assume this is the first official release of the movie? > > Brad L. blauchno at state.ut.usit is. anything else you've seen was copied off of cable tv,and who knows what generation? rj From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jun 5 02:17:02 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 01:17:02 -0500 Subject: HW OFF: Re: The Brain Tour USA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: First of all, here's the schedule in a more readable form: On Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:09:03, Bill Stewart wrote: > -CLUSTER with THE BRAIN US Tour '96- > Day Date City/State Venue > Thursday 6/27/96 San Francisco, CA KFJC Radio 89.7FM (interview) > Friday 6/28/96 San Francisco, CA Maritime Hall > Wednesday 7/3/96 Tucson, AZ Luna Loca > Friday 7/5/96 Los Angeles, CA Spaceland > Saturday 7/6/96 Phoenix, AZ Icehouse > Wednesday 7/10/96 Eugene, OR WOW Hall > Thursday 7/11/96 Portland, OR Clinton St. Theatre > Friday 7/12/96 Seattle, WA Pioneer Square Theatre > Saturday 7/13/96 Seattle, WA Pioneer Square Theatre > Wednesday 7/17/96 Boise, ID Neurolox > Friday 7/19/96 Chicago, IL Cabaret Metro > Sunday 7/21/96 Minneapolis, MN KREV RADIO (interview) > Thursday 7/25/96 Anderson, IN A-1 Records > Friday 7/26/96 Covington, KY > Sunday 7/28/96 Minneapolis, MN Cedar Cultural Center > Thursday 8/1/96 Buffalo, NY Hallwall's Art Center > Sunday 8/4/96 New York, NY Knitting Factory > Tuesday 8/6/96 Asheville, NC > Thursday 8/8/96 New Orleans, LA Zeitguist > Friday 8/9/96 New Orleans, LA Zeitguist Secondly, this is the weirdest itinerary I've seen in a long time... SanFran to Tuscon to L.A. to Phoenix? Boise to Chicago to Minneapolis to Podunk IN to Podunk KY and *back* to Minneapolis? And then they stop *just short* of getting to Texas? How strange... Thirdly, exactly who or what is The Brain? We've probably discussed this before on BOC-L, but I probably skipped it thinking it had something to do with the Surgeons, and therefore wasn't HW-related. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Wed Jun 5 09:40:08 1996 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 09:40:08 BST Subject: Nik Turner Message-ID: Hey, Guess what, Nik Turner's playing at The Cockpit, in Leeds, on Thurs 13th June. The gig is described as "Egyptian Psychedelic Trance" so it sounds like fun! The support is provided by Mandragora. Anyone fancy going? Keith From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 4 11:06:54 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:06:54 +0100 Subject: Hw: Where's DikMik? In-Reply-To: <199606040046.RAA16277@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: In message <199606040046.RAA16277 at dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com>, William Stone writes > > Speaking of, whatever became of DikMik? > >Wylie Watch this space for a breif recent interview with DikMik from this month's Record Collector (UK) which I'll upload in a day or so. -- Jon Browne From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Wed Jun 5 05:44:33 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:44:33 +0100 Subject: Nik Turner Message-ID: Keith wrote....... > Hey, Guess what, Nik Turner's playing at The Cockpit, in Leeds, on Thurs > 13th June. The gig is described as "Egyptian Psychedelic Trance" so it > sounds like fun! > The support is provided by Mandragora. > Anyone fancy going? Sounds like fun indeed. Do you have any more details such as time, price and where the venue is (I make it a point of honour to know nothing about Leeds :-). But basically yeah, I might be up for it. Chris From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Wed Jun 5 07:10:23 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:10:23 +0000 Subject: A Newbie ! Message-ID: Hi all, I have just joined this list, (So I guess I should lurk for a while, but what the hell !) so please forgive if this is a well treaden subject. The recently released compelation sampler "Emergency broadcast system" mentioned a dance remix album "Ritual of the Solstice" due out soon. Any Ideas when ? Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From stayer at PI.NET Wed Jun 5 17:11:42 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:11:42 PDT Subject: HW: Amsterdam Message-ID: Here's a note for the Brits coming over to Amsterdam... I just called the Paradiso. Everyone will know it by now, but here's for sure: 26 June 1996 There's an opening act and about three closing acts with the weirdest names I've ever heard (or the girl I talked to couldn't pronounce them properly) and I can't reproduce. Sorry about that, but who cares; who are we going to see anyway - not the opening / closing acts! Price is only 19 Dutch guilders, about 7 British pounds. CU there Jerry PS, let us arrange a place to meet, so we can get a beer and / or something else. Has anyone been to the Paradiso before? From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 5 13:19:52 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:19:52 BST Subject: A Newbie ! In-Reply-To: Andy Cobley's message of Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:10:23 +0000 Message-ID: Andy Cobley writes: > Hi all, > > I have just joined this list, (So I guess I should lurk for a while, > but what the hell !) so please forgive if this is a well treaden > subject. The recently released compelation sampler "Emergency > broadcast system" mentioned a dance remix album "Ritual of the Solstice" > due out soon. > > Any Ideas when ? > hey - this is Hawkwind! You really expect them to give dates in advance for this sort of thing 8-)) seriously - C&D only have a "date to be decided" note on their recent flyer but they are taking advance orders so it might be worth getting your name on their list. Interestingly the CD number is before that of Alien4 but since nothing has emerged yet I think we can take it that the delay is an indefinite one for reasons unspecified.... cheers jill obexplosion> Ariane V - sadly. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 5 08:02:26 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:02:26 +0100 Subject: HW/ Record Collector / Nik Turner int. In-Reply-To: <199605251537.QAA28177@easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: 3 in a series of 6 - collect 'em all! Trade them with your friends! Nik Turner - sax, finally quit in the mid '80's, now playing with Nik Turner's Fabulous All-Stars, Nik Turner's Space Ritual, various world music projects) "The sci-fi thing was part serious social comment, part entertainment. Our version of a Utopian future was never sanctimonius. I got involved with Timothy Leary for a while, who had this idea for Starseed, a self- contained, ecologically balanced satellite which was totally self- contained. He took that very seriously. The band were very community-oriented, and people identified with us because we were no different than them. We were all living on the streets of Ladbroke Grove - Dave Brock was a busker; I was living in the back of a lorry in Notting Hill, or on other people's floor's. Drugs were obviously quite important because the band were part of a drug culture. Everybody was doing it. We were just part of it, though not necessarily promoting drugs. LSD was the main drug of the time, and shortly before our sucess, that was still legal. I think sucess began to detach the band from community thing. We were travelling a lot, touring America, and that spoilt relationships both within the band and with the audience. I don't think it was a case of us putting ourselves on pedestals. When you're sucessful, other people tend to put you there, though I tried to avoid all that. I still do free festivals and am still of the people. I think the music still stands up. Hawkwind were one of the instigators of, or at least inspiraitions for, punk. Our music was like punk in that it was accessible, and gave the impression anyone could play it - and they could! More recently, I went out as Nik Turner's Hawkwind in America, but I had an injunction served on me to stop me using the name, so it became Nik Turner's Space Ritual. That kind of materialistic attitude is the antithesis of what the band used to be about. That's what was so good about the Grateful Dead; they never lost that vision." Typo's mine. Opinion's Niks! copy Record Collector (UK) Tomorrow's thrilling installment - Del Dettmar Jon Browne From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jun 5 08:40:52 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 08:40:52 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOCbase? Message-ID: Bolle has asked me not to advertise his personal e-mail address (at least not in the FAQ) as he says he has enough e-mail to deal with these days (one of his main reasons for not joining BOC-L, BTW), and would prefer any correspondence either go via snail mail, or e-mail to the fanclub address. My guess is that if you e-mail the fanclub address, you'll get an answer to your question, if not by Bolle then by Melne. John From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 5 08:53:49 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 08:53:49 -0400 Subject: HW OFF: Re: The Brain Tour USA Message-ID: >Thirdly, exactly who or what is The Brain? We've probably discussed this >before on BOC-L, but I probably skipped it thinking it had something to >do with the Surgeons, and therefore wasn't HW-related. The Brain is one of the two main cartoon characters on a show called "Pinky & The Brain". His goal, every night, is to take over the world. He always comes remarkably close, when something (usually Pinky) foils his plans. Pinky always asks Brain what they are going to do, and Brain always responds with, "Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world".... They started as the best feature on Animaniacs, and eventually got their own show, which is the only worthwhile reason for the existance of the WB network. The show has been somewhat hit or miss since they got their own show, however. At times it is absolutely great... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 5 08:53:52 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 08:53:52 -0400 Subject: HW/ Record Collector / Nik Turner int. Message-ID: > More recently, I went out as Nik Turner's Hawkwind in America, but I >had an injunction served on me to stop me using the name, so it became >Nik Turner's Space Ritual. That kind of materialistic attitude is the >antithesis of what the band used to be about. That's what was so good >about the Grateful Dead; they never lost that vision." So Nik is saying that no one would stop him if he toured as "Nik Turner's Grateful Dead"??? ... Just walk up to the official line of "Grateful Dead" products at Best Buy to see their lack of materliastic attitude... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 5 08:26:10 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:26:10 +0100 Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: <9606042327.AA19120@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: In message <9606042327.AA19120 at beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu>, Guido Vacano writes > >Guido > >-- >The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. >The Name that can be named is not the eternal Name. The marrow that can be walked upon is not the eternal Vegetable. Hawkwind without Dave Brock is NOT Hawkwind. :-) -- Jon Browne From r.f.wessel at MINOCW.NL Wed Jun 5 15:01:55 1996 From: r.f.wessel at MINOCW.NL (Ron Wessel) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:01:55 EDT Subject: HW: Amsterdam Message-ID: At 14:11 5-06-96 PDT, you wrote: >Here's a note for the Brits coming over to Amsterdam... > >I just called the Paradiso. Everyone will know it by now, but here's for >sure: > > 26 June 1996 > >There's an opening act and about three closing acts with the weirdest names >I've ever heard (or the girl I talked to couldn't pronounce them properly) >and I can't reproduce. Sorry about that, but who cares; who are we going to >see anyway - not the opening / closing acts! > >Price is only 19 Dutch guilders, about 7 British pounds. > >CU there >Jerry > >PS, let us arrange a place to meet, so we can get a beer and / or something >else. Has anyone been to the Paradiso before? > For al those who want to know: they're also playing in Tilburg the night after amsterdam. (So that will be the 27th) No opening acts there so no distraction from the main event. Hawkwind will start at about 21.30. By the way does anyone know why the concert that was sceduled in Rotterdam on the 30th is canceled? What was the more important reason then to play before hords of hawkhungry fans? Beam me up, Ron W. K-PLAH oh you great warrior. From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Jun 5 14:18:53 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:18:53 BST Subject: HW: Amsterdam Message-ID: > > > >PS, let us arrange a place to meet, so we can get a beer and / or something > >else. Has anyone been to the Paradiso before? > > I tried to get onto a sold-out Belly gig there about 3 or 4 years ago, isn't it near the Leidesplein (excuse the spelling)or am I way out? Can you recommend a bar around there where we could meet? > For al those who want to know: > they're also playing in Tilburg the night after amsterdam. (So that will be > the 27th) No opening acts there so no distraction from the main event. > Hawkwind will start at about 21.30. > How far is Tilburg from Breda? I'm staying with friends in Breda for the weekend after Amsterdam, so I might go to Tilburg too. bye - Rob From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Jun 5 09:20:29 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 09:20:29 -0400 Subject: HW/ Record Collector / Nik Turner int. Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-05 08:34:24 EDT, you write: > More recently, I went out as Nik Turner's Hawkwind in America, but I >had an injunction served on me to stop me using the name, so it became >Nik Turner's Space Ritual. That kind of materialistic attitude is the >antithesis of what the band used to be about. This sounds like the typical Uncle Nik blather--Theyre so greedy, I'm so generous. The only reason he used the Hawkwind name was to sell more tickets and ..gasp..make more money. > That's what was so good about the Grateful Dead; they never lost that vision." What next? Uncle Nik ties. Will Nik be playing anywhere around London the week of June 20th or there after. regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Jun 5 09:23:33 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 09:23:33 -0400 Subject: HW OFF: Re: The Brain Tour USA Message-ID: Damon thanks for making some sense of that jumble I posted. The Brain are Paul Fox and Tommy Grenas both of NikWind and Pressurehed. Very enjoyable stuff, but not for everyone. regards, Bill Stewart From r.f.wessel at MINOCW.NL Wed Jun 5 15:44:40 1996 From: r.f.wessel at MINOCW.NL (Ron Wessel) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:44:40 EDT Subject: HW: Amsterdam Message-ID: At 14:18 5-06-96 BST, you wrote: > How far is Tilburg from Breda? I'm staying with friends in Breda for > the weekend after Amsterdam, so I might go to Tilburg too. > > bye - Rob > I just checked and breda is about 13 to 18 minutes from tilburg by train. The last train will leave at about 25 past 12. So there will be time enough for you to a) see the gig and b) get to your friends place without walking. But just one thing. The traintimes are from a year ago. So they might be of be a few minutes or so. C.U.All Ron W. K-PLAH oh you great warrior. From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Jun 5 14:56:29 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:56:29 BST Subject: HW: Amsterdam Message-ID: > > > How far is Tilburg from Breda? I'm staying with friends in Breda for > > the weekend after Amsterdam, so I might go to Tilburg too. > > > > bye - Rob > > > > I just checked and breda is about 13 to 18 minutes from tilburg by train. > The last train will leave at about 25 past 12. So there will be time enough > for you to a) see the gig and b) get to your friends place without walking. > But just one thing. The traintimes are from a year ago. So they might be of > be a few minutes or so. > What a great place Holland is! Thanks for the info. bye - Rob From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Jun 5 10:04:27 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:04:27 -0400 Subject: HW OFF: The Brain Tour USA In-Reply-To: <960604200900_407317405@emout17.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at Jun 4, 96 08:09:03 pm Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > > -CLUSTER with THE BRAIN US > Tour '96- > Day Date City/State > Maritime Hall > Wednesday 7/3/96 Tucson, AZ Luna > Loca > Friday 7/5/96 Los Angeles, CA Hmmm... I wonder if that's the band that I saw in Boston sometime around '88. I went to see The Straw Dogs (a great punk- turned-metal band), and one of the opening acts was Cluster. They were pretty good, though probably what I most remember them for was the fact that they covered "Godzilla". ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Wed Jun 5 10:35:25 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:35:25 +0000 Subject: A Newbie ! +info needed Message-ID: Wow... Thanks for the answer so quickly J Strobridge wrote: > hey - this is Hawkwind! You really expect them to give dates in advance > for this sort of thing 8-)) > > seriously - C&D only have a "date to be decided" note on their recent > flyer but they are taking advance orders so it might be worth getting > your name on their list. Is the list usually as busy as this or is this just a busy time ? Perhaps some-one can help me, does anyone know where Bob Clavert got the inspiration for Sonic Attack. I'll have to be clear here because I'm not looking for maybe's, but for some hard documented quote I can use in some research I'm doing. Anyway, looks like i'm going to enjoy this list ! Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Jun 5 15:08:28 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:08:28 BST Subject: hw: Re: A Newbie ! +info needed Message-ID: > > > Is the list usually as busy as this or is this just a busy time ? > > Perhaps some-one can help me, does anyone know where Bob Clavert > got the inspiration for Sonic Attack. I'll have to be clear here > because I'm not looking for maybe's, but for some hard documented > quote I can use in some research I'm doing. > > I was under the impression that Sonic Attack was a Michael Moorcock concept. bye - Rob From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Jun 5 10:17:34 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:17:34 -0400 Subject: Lemmy & Zig & Zag Message-ID: >On 2 Jun 96 Dr Pepper (they call me Miste wrote about Lemmy & Zig & >Zag: > >> For those of you who do not know what I'm talking about Zig and Zag are >> space aliens from Ireland who carry out tasks for money, whilst they are >> not presenting bits of the Big Breakfast. I hope this clears it up. > >No they're not! Zig and Zag are two clowns who, for the last 30 years >or so, have participated in Melbourne's annual "Moomba" Festival! > >Sonique Well I thought Zig and Zag were a brand of rolling papers M From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Jun 5 10:23:25 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:23:25 -0400 Subject: HW: Amsterdam Message-ID: Brief note to Mark Renton: See you outside the gig love Begby From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Jun 5 10:31:42 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:31:42 -0400 Subject: HW/ Record Collector / Nik Turner int. Message-ID: > The band were very community-oriented, and people identified with >us because we were no different than them. We were all living on the >streets of Ladbroke Grove - Dave Brock was a busker; I was living in the >back of a lorry in Notting Hill, or on other people's floor's. You see. My interpretation of the lyrics to "Psychedelic Warlords" was correct after all ;-) Martyn From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 5 10:31:13 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:31:13 +0100 Subject: A Newbie ! +info needed In-Reply-To: <31B58D1D.6988@mic.dundee.ac.uk> from "Andy Cobley" at Jun 5, 96 02:35:25 pm Message-ID: > Is the list usually as busy as this or is this just a busy time ? This is pretty average, perhaps even a bit slow ... its hard to say :) It only really slows down when the server blows up ;) Conversation tends to see-saw back an forth between the two bands. Sometimes HW dominates and the BOC-only folks complain and sometimes (though less often) BOC dominates and HW-only folks complain. The Brain Surgeons are an ever present threat in the background ;) slowed only by having fewer albums than BOC or HW. Expect massive posting as soon as the new album comes out :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 5 15:33:20 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:33:20 BST Subject: A Newbie ! +info needed In-Reply-To: Andy Cobley's message of Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:35:25 +0000 Message-ID: Andy Cobley writes: > Perhaps some-one can help me, does anyone know where Bob Clavert > got the inspiration for Sonic Attack. I'll have to be clear here > because I'm not looking for maybe's, but for some hard documented > quote I can use in some research I'm doing. Someone posted various details of sonic weapons research not so long ago. One thing I always thought was that "Sonic Attack" is similar in style to Peter Porter's "Your Attention Please" FoFP Your Attention Please -- Peter Porter Your attention please The Polar DEW has just warned that A nuclear rocket strike of At least one thousand megatons Has been launched by the enemy Directly at our major cities. This announcement will take Two and a quarter minutes to make. You therefore have a further Eight and a quarter minutes To comply with the shelter Requirements published in the Civil Defence Code - section Atomic Attack. A specially shortened Mass Will be broadcast at the end Of this announcement - Protestant and Jewish services Will begin simultaneously - Select your wavelength immediately According to instructions In the Defence Code. Do not Take well-loved pets (including birds) Into your shelter - they will consume Fresh air. Leave the old and bed- ridden, you can do nothing for them. Remember to press the sealing Switch when everyone is in The shelter. Set the radiation Aerial, turn on the geiger barometer. Turn off your television now. Turn off your radio immediately The Services end. At the same time Secure explosion plugs in the ears Of each member of your family. Take Down your plasma flasks. Give your children The pills marked one and two In the C.D. green container, then put Them to bed. Do not break The inside airlock seals until The radiation All Clear shows (Watch for the cuckoo in your perspex panel), or your District Touring Doctor rings your bell. If before this, your air becomes Exhausted or if any of your family Is critically injured, administer The capsules marked 'Valley Forge' (Red pocket in No.1 Survival Kit) For painless death. (Catholics Will have been instructed by their priests What to do in this eventuality.) This announcement is ending. Our President Has already given orders for Massive retaliation - it will be Decisive. Some of us may die. Remember, statistically It is not likely to be you. All the flags are flying fully dressed On Government buildings - the sun is shining Death is the least we have to fear. We are all in the hands of God, Whatever happens happens by His Will. Now go quickly to your shelters. From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jun 5 10:43:45 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:43:45 +0200 Subject: A Newbie ! +info needed Message-ID: ? > > Perhaps some-one can help me, does anyone know where Bob Clavert > got the inspiration for Sonic Attack. I'll have to be clear here > because I'm not looking for maybe's, but for some hard documented > quote I can use in some research I'm doing. > I believe it was Moorcock who actually wrote it. Inspiration? Well, play it to someone who's tripping and they'll know. For sure %)(... Christian From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jun 5 09:57:55 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 00:57:55 +1100 Subject: A Newbie ! +info needed Message-ID: On 5 Jun 96 Andy Cobley wrote about Re: A Newbie ! +info needed: > Perhaps some-one can help me, does anyone know where Bob Clavert > got the inspiration for Sonic Attack. I'll have to be clear here > because I'm not looking for maybe's, but for some hard documented > quote I can use in some research I'm doing. Yeah ... he just looked at the lyric sheet written by Mike Moorcock ;^) (hey - b4 anyone says so, I *know* that not once have HW actually written the lyrics down!) > Anyway, looks like i'm going to enjoy this list ! Hope so! Sonique (back in Assassin mode temporarily ...) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Wed Jun 5 11:45:46 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:45:46 +0000 Subject: hw: Re: A Newbie ! +info needed Message-ID: Rob wrote: > > Perhaps some-one can help me, does anyone know where Bob Clavert > > got the inspiration for Sonic Attack. I'll have to be clear here > > because I'm not looking for maybe's, but for some hard documented > > quote I can use in some research I'm doing. > > > > > > I was under the impression that Sonic Attack was a Michael Moorcock > concept. I stand corrected, should have checked the listing in Space Ritual. Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Jun 5 07:30:43 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:30:43 +0000 Subject: HW: Amsterdam Message-ID: Jerry wrote: > > Here's a note for the Brits coming over to Amsterdam...what?you don't like yanks? :) rj From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Jun 5 07:34:03 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:34:03 +0000 Subject: HW/ Record Collector / Nik Turner int. Message-ID: > So Nik is saying that no one would stop him if he toured as > "Nik Turner's Grateful Dead"??? ... > > Just walk up to the official line of "Grateful Dead" products at Best Buy > to see their lack of materliastic attitude... > +-------------------------------------------------------+---------well spoken.that is one of the main reasons i buried the dead. ex-deadhead rj From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Jun 5 07:38:20 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:38:20 +0000 Subject: A Newbie ! +info needed Message-ID: > Perhaps some-one can help me, does anyone know where Bob Clavert > got the inspiration for Sonic Attack. he got inspired when michael moorcock handed him the lyrics. :) From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Wed Jun 5 08:53:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 08:53:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: Heavy Metal, the Movie Message-ID: >I saw an ad in the newspaper the other day for the release of Heavy >Metal on video cassette. Media Play advertised it's release date as June >15. I assume this is the first official release of the movie? > >Brad L. blauchno at state.ut.us > Actually it's out right now. Saw it in some music store yesterday. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Jun 5 11:54:31 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:54:31 -0400 Subject: HW OFF: The Brain Tour USA In-Reply-To: <199606051404.KAA01418@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jun 5, 96 10:04:27 am Message-ID: Steve ponders... > > Bill Stewart writes: > > > -CLUSTER with THE BRAIN US Tour '96- > > Hmmm... I wonder if that's the band that I saw in Boston sometime > around '88. I went to see The Straw Dogs (a great punk- turned-metal > band), and one of the opening acts was Cluster. They were pretty > good, though probably what I most remember them for was the fact that > they covered "Godzilla". ;-) You mean this isn't the German ambient gods 'Cluster' with Moebius and Rodelius, a.k.a. Kluster??? Keith H. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Jun 5 12:11:28 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:11:28 -0400 Subject: HW in Germany In-Reply-To: from "Yuri Elik" at Jun 4, 96 10:39:47 pm Message-ID: Yuri sayz.. > Hello Bernhard! > > > Here they are: > > > HAWKWIND > > GENTLE GIANT > > GURU GURU > > PRETTY THINGS > > WILD SILK > > FRUMPY > > and 5 or 6 unknown bands > > HAWKWIND > PRETTY THINGS > RAINBIRDS * GURU GURU > InterContinental Rockship * Anekdoten > Mr.Amon Duul * Ritual * Missus Beastly > Ax Genrich * Uli Trepte * The Perc * Wild Silk * Boxtie > > No mention of Gentle Giant, unfortunately :( > There seems to be two possibilities: either GG was planned for this festival, > but later was deleted. Or maybe it was added after this poster was printed? Gentle Giant (won't use GG as it could mean Guru Guru as well!) is apparently not going to do this festival. > >And, btw, does anyone know who is this Mr.Amon Duul and does he have something > in common with the famous Krautrock band? I've now seen that this might in fact be a thing put together by Chris Karrer, presumably without the rest of the re-union group (Leopold, Meid, and Knaup). There was also mentioned the possibility of him working with Christian Vander of Magma at this gig. That'd be interesting!! I would love to be going to this awesome event. Are there any plans to put together a CD of these live performances....and on that subject, has anyone heard anything more about the 'second' CD that was supposedly going to be made of the other (Friends & Relations) live performances at the 25th Gong Anniv. weekend?? 'The Perc' is supposed to contain members from Grobschnitt and Amon Duul (no numerical designation given). I don't know who these might be, but it might be something you would want to catch, even if only to find out who they were. Keith H. (FAA) ObCD Lemmingmania - Amon Duul II (so nice to hear 'Rattlesnake Plumcake' on disc....and 'Jail-house Frog' is no longer 'Jail-house Rfog' !!!) From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Wed Jun 5 12:21:05 1996 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:21:05 -0400 Subject: OFF : sig. Message-ID: Jon writes: > Hawkwind without Dave Brock is NOT Hawkwind. :-) Neither is Hawkwind without Nik Turner. Chris From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Jun 5 11:27:01 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:27:01 -0400 Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Jun 5, 96 01:26:10 pm Message-ID: Jon says-- > >The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. > >The Name that can be named is not the eternal Name. > > The marrow that can be walked upon is not the eternal Vegetable. > Hawkwind without Dave Brock is NOT Hawkwind. :-) I heartily agree with the latter, but I'm not sure about that vegetable business. :-) Guido -- Call any vegetable--pick up the phone! --FZ From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 5 12:30:33 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:30:33 +0100 Subject: HW TV Appearan Message-ID: Okay, finally got the HW appearance on VH-1 today. In fact, it's two seperate appearances. The first has them doing Silver Machine and Love In Space in the studio (but with a great light show, not the usual studio crap), with a few words from Dave regarding what the band are up to, their involvement with the Tibetan Support Group (and a big gold star for Dave for encouraging people to carry out direct action!) etc. The second appearance is Dave and Ron being interviewed, with a few clips of the Love In Space performance cut in. Entertaining stuff, especially considering VH-1 tends to be followed by the words dull, boring and sad generally!! Still, it's good to see Hawkwind keeping up their vast TV workload! That's three times I've seen them on TV in only ten years! And does anyone know if they were actually on UKTV between Quark on Marc (hey, catchy!) and the two songs on ECT in '86? What's that then...'72 (TOTP), '77, '86, '89 (Bedrock), and now '96...oh well, into the next millenium before we'll get any more!! cheers, Dave From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 5 17:28:38 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:28:38 BST Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: Chris Baxley's message of Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:21:05 -0400 Message-ID: Chris Baxley writes: > Jon writes: > > Hawkwind without Dave Brock is NOT Hawkwind. :-) > > Neither is Hawkwind without Nik Turner. Bring back Samantha Fox. > Chris FoFP From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Wed Jun 5 12:25:49 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:25:49 +0100 Subject: Brain Surgeons albums In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I asked in our local record store for details of Barin Surgeons albums and they said there was nothing on catalogue. Are they not released in the UK, or was he just looking in the wrong place? If anyone knows of a reliable UK stockist, could they mail me, please? I am in Bath, near Bristol. Thanks - Mike Godwin From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jun 5 13:02:18 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:02:18 +0200 Subject: OFF : sig. Message-ID: Chris Baxley wrote: > > Jon writes: > > Hawkwind without Dave Brock is NOT Hawkwind. :-) > > Neither is Hawkwind without Nik Turner. > Well, a ship can't have two captains, can it? Who's steered the ship thru hell and high water? Helmsman of the Spaceship Hawkwind, mr. Dave Brock!! Turner was like the mad navigator or something... If Brock buys it (lets hope not for at least another 25+ years...), who knows, maybe Nik will come along to scavenge whats left of Hawkwind. Sorry if I sound morbid here, but the whole NikWind thing bothers the hell outta me. I mean, look at the Grateful Dead (again)... just because Robert Hunter was a very important part of the whole idea and music that was the Dead, Garcia was the glue that kept it together. Nobody went around claiming they were the Dead, everybody just seemed to accept that it was A BAND (and later a corporation...), not TWO. Im running out of bad metaphors here, so i'll toss whats left of this last one to the hounds... Christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jun 5 13:07:19 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:07:19 +0200 Subject: HW TV Appearan Message-ID: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: > > Okay, finally got the HW appearance on VH-1 today. In fact, it's two > seperate appearances. The first has them doing Silver Machine and Love In > Space in the studio (but with a great light show, not the usual studio > crap), with a few words from Dave regarding what the band are up to, their > involvement with the Tibetan Support Group (and a big gold star for Dave for > encouraging people to carry out direct action!) etc. > The second appearance is Dave and Ron being interviewed, with a few clips > of the Love In Space performance cut in. > Entertaining stuff, especially considering VH-1 tends to be followed by > the words dull, boring and sad generally!! > Still, it's good to see Hawkwind keeping up their vast TV workload! That's > three times I've seen them on TV in only ten years! And does anyone know if > they were actually on UKTV between Quark on Marc (hey, catchy!) and the two > songs on ECT in '86? What's that then...'72 (TOTP), '77, '86, '89 (Bedrock), > and now '96...oh well, into the next millenium before we'll get any more!! Does anybody have a compilation of all their TV appearances?? I'm interested in purchasing (I have nothing decent to trade....). I can take VHS all systems, so if anybody out there could make copies I'd pay in advance.... thanks, anybody! Christian From stayer at PI.NET Wed Jun 5 23:06:02 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:06:02 PDT Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: Hi there, I compiled a draft version of a (the?) BOCbase web page from my tape list. Point your web browser to http://145.89.78.151/~martijn/boc/boc.htm and let me know what you think. Any suggestions, additions etc. are very welcome! CU, Jerry From ljeste01 at MOREHEAD-ST.EDU Wed Jun 5 14:12:55 1996 From: ljeste01 at MOREHEAD-ST.EDU (Larry Estep) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:12:55 -0400 Subject: HW OFF: Re: The Brain Tour USA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Le Monsieur Damon wrote: > > Friday 7/26/96 Covington, KY > > Secondly, this is the weirdest itinerary I've seen in a long time... > SanFran to Tuscon to L.A. to Phoenix? Boise to Chicago to Minneapolis to > Podunk IN to Podunk KY and *back* to Minneapolis? And then they stop > *just short* of getting to Texas? How strange... FWIW, Podunk KY in this case is just across the river from Cincinnati, Ohio. There's a cluster of towns on the KY side of the Ohio river, including Covington, Newport, Florence, and Fort Thomas. I saw BOC in Ft. Thomas a couple weeks ago. I've been meaning to post a review, but haven't had time to write it up. Maybe this weekend if anyone is still interested. Larry From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 5 14:06:39 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:06:39 -0400 Subject: OFF : sig. Message-ID: >Chris Baxley wrote: >> >> Jon writes: >> > Hawkwind without Dave Brock is NOT Hawkwind. :-) >> >> Neither is Hawkwind without Nik Turner. >> Well, a ship can't have two captains, can it? Who's steered the ship >thru hell and high water? Helmsman of the Spaceship Hawkwind, mr. Dave >Brock!! Turner was like the mad navigator or something... If Brock buys >it (lets hope not for at least another 25+ years...), who knows, maybe >Nik will come along to scavenge whats left of Hawkwind. Sorry if I sound >morbid here, but the whole NikWind thing bothers the hell outta me. I >mean, look at the Grateful Dead (again)... just because Robert Hunter >was a very important part of the whole idea and music that was the Dead, >Garcia was the glue that kept it together. Nobody went around claiming >they were the Dead, everybody just seemed to accept that it was A >BAND (and later a corporation...), not TWO. Im running out of bad >metaphors here, so i'll toss whats left of this last one to the >hounds... I suppose this isn't a good time to bring up the example of Pink Floyd... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 5 14:06:42 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:06:42 -0400 Subject: Battlelords Message-ID: >> Well, there's the Red Dwarf version: >> >> "Emergency. There is an emergency going on. It's still going on. >> Emergency...." > >I have to say that Red Dwarf is a truely awesome show. I've already thrown a Despair Squid once at our group.... and can't wait to have the waxdroid planet show up someday... When Elvis jumps out from behind a tree with a machine gun and says, "Reach!".... Rimmer: "You're missing the point! The insane megalomaniac evil that threatened t his planet is gone!" Lister: "No it isn't. You're still here." Rimmer: "I'm tired of your socks that set of the sprinkler system." Rimmer: "Lister, the only man in the universe to get his money back from the odor-eater people." +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Jun 5 14:14:51 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:14:51 +0200 Subject: HW in Germany Message-ID: Hi there These bands I saw listed in a magazine: >> HAWKWIND >> GENTLE GIANT >> GURU GURU >> PRETTY THINGS >> WILD SILK >> FRUMPY >> and 5 or 6 unknown bands These bands are listed on the ticked I have: >>HAWKWIND >>PRETTY THINGS >>RAINBIRDS * GURU GURU >>InterContinental Rockship * Anekdoten >>Mr.Amon Duul * Ritual * Missus Beastly >>Ax Genrich * Uli Trepte * The Perc * Wild Silk * Boxtie >And, btw, does anyone know who is this Mr.Amon Duul and does he have >something in common with the famous Krautrock band? Sorry, no idea. maybe 1 or two members from this band ?? Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 5 14:53:31 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:53:31 +0100 Subject: Brain Surgeons albums In-Reply-To: from "M R Godwin" at Jun 5, 96 05:25:49 pm Message-ID: > I asked in our local record store for details of Barin Surgeons albums and > they said there was nothing on catalogue. Are they not released in the UK, > or was he just looking in the wrong place? If anyone knows of a reliable > UK stockist, could they mail me, please? I am in Bath, near Bristol. They have not been released in the UK, and would only be available as imports. I know Al and Deb have been looking for a UK distributor for their albums, since they asked me if I could find any information, but all I've been able to turn up is a _lot_ more people interested in finding reputable UK distributors ... so no luck :( Not sure what the best way of getting their albums in the UK is (apart from arranging a trade with someone in the US) but I'm sure Deb or Al will chime in shortly with the latest :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 5 14:55:37 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:55:37 +0100 Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: <9606051614.AA0463@worldcom-47.worldcom.com> from "Chris Baxley" at Jun 5, 96 12:21:05 pm Message-ID: > Jon writes: > > Hawkwind without Dave Brock is NOT Hawkwind. :-) > > Neither is Hawkwind without Nik Turner. Nah, HW has gone down-hill since Mick Slattery left :) I think I should start a tribute band called Not Hawkwind and tour under the name :) Even DS might need some time to come up with a legal objection to that ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 5 16:05:37 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:05:37 EST Subject: Brain Surgeons albums Message-ID: > "M R Godwin" at Jun 5, 96 05:25:49 pm > X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 > > > I asked in our local record store for details of Barin Surgeons albums and > > they said there was nothing on catalogue. Are they not released in the UK, > > or was he just looking in the wrong place? If anyone knows of a reliable > > UK stockist, could they mail me, please? I am in Bath, near Bristol. > > They have not been released in the UK, and would only be available > as imports. I know Al and Deb have been looking for a UK distributor > for their albums, since they asked me if I could find any information, > but all I've been able to turn up is a _lot_ more people interested in > finding reputable UK distributors ... so no luck :( > > Not sure what the best way of getting their albums in the UK > is (apart from arranging a trade with someone in the US) but I'm sure > Deb or Al will chime in shortly with the latest :) > > Cheers, > Carl > I know that tBS albums were available directly from Al's record company, at least here in the US. I don't see any reason they wouldn't ship them over the pond. You'd probably just have to come up with a little extra postage. But things may have changed now that they've got a distribution deal going--Al may not want to ship them direct anymore. Anyway, I'm sure he or Deb will give you the word. BTW. I take it we can interpret Al and Deb's absence from BOC-L as an indication they're busy on the new record? Now that's something we can all look forward to... theo In the player these days: Dwight Live One Hot Minute Wired Damn Right I've Got the Blues From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 5 15:23:21 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:23:21 -0400 Subject: OFF : sig. Message-ID: >> Jon writes: >> > Hawkwind without Dave Brock is NOT Hawkwind. :-) >> >> Neither is Hawkwind without Nik Turner. > > Nah, HW has gone down-hill since Mick Slattery left :) > > I think I should start a tribute band called Not Hawkwind and >tour under the name :) Even DS might need some time to come up with >a legal objection to that ;) Yeah! And they could put out an album entitled: "This is not Hawkwind... Panic!" +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jun 5 15:42:26 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:42:26 -0500 Subject: HW OFF: Re: The Brain Tour USA In-Reply-To: <960605092332_549751354@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Bill Stewart wrote: > Damon thanks for making some sense of that jumble I posted. The Brain are > Paul Fox and Tommy Grenas both of NikWind and Pressurehed. Very enjoyable > stuff, but not for everyone. Ah, so it's Paul and Tommy's answer to Zero Gravity? Gotcha. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Wed Jun 5 15:50:11 1996 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:50:11 -0400 Subject: OFF : sig. Message-ID: Christian writes: > Chris Baxley wrote: >> >> Jon writes: >> > Hawkwind without Dave Brock is NOT Hawkwind. :-) >> >> Neither is Hawkwind without Nik Turner. >> Well, a ship can't have two captains, can it? Who's steered the ship >thru hell and high water? Helmsman of the Spaceship Hawkwind, mr. Dave >Brock!! Turner was like the mad navigator or something... ... Yeah, well as Captain, Brock apparently threw most of the original crew overboard! My question: Since Brock was clearly not the sole inventor of the Hawkwind phenomenon, what gives him exclusive rights to the name? As for the Grateful Dead analogy, if Garcia were the sole remaining member of that group, I GUARANTEE he would never be presumptuous enough to refer to it as the Dead. (Apologies for reigniting this scurvy subject....) Chris From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 5 16:07:30 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:07:30 +0100 Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: <9606051731.AA3050@worldcom-45.worldcom.com> from "Chris Baxley" at Jun 5, 96 03:50:11 pm Message-ID: > My question: Since Brock was clearly not the sole inventor of the Hawkwind > phenomenon, what gives him exclusive rights to the name? Well, being the only continuous member (depsite occasional brockless gigs) works on the moral side, but the actual issue is legal. People can own the legal right to use the name (thus Iommi hangs on to the Sabbath name, and Waters didn't manage to shoot down Gilmour and Co's right to the Floyd name). Remember, Brock even lost the right to the name in the Hawklords era--it was controlled by the record company. Probably DS actually owns the name now ;) so whoever he says is HW is Hawkwind ;) But in all fairness, Brock has been a HW member far longer than anyone else, whether its because he fired them or not. I doubt anyone else would have kept the band going so long. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Wed Jun 5 13:14:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:14:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: Metallica Doesn't Fear The Reaper Message-ID: Request BOC-L: Lurker mode off Hi all, A quote from the June 7th Entertainment Weekly regarding the new Metallica album: "...and 'Until It Sleeps is nothing less than the band's 'Don't Fear The Reaper,' an ethereal melody built on guitar textures with the intricacy of a spider's web." Chris Request BOC-L: Lurker mode on From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 5 16:31:07 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:31:07 -0400 Subject: OFF : sig. Message-ID: >> My question: Since Brock was clearly not the sole inventor of the Hawkwind >> phenomenon, what gives him exclusive rights to the name? > > Well, being the only continuous member (depsite occasional brockless >gigs) works on the moral side, but the actual issue is legal. People >can own the legal right to use the name (thus Iommi hangs on to the >Sabbath name, and Waters didn't manage to shoot down Gilmour and Co's >right to the Floyd name). > Remember, Brock even lost the right to the name in the Hawklords >era--it was controlled by the record company. > > Probably DS actually owns the name now ;) so whoever he says is >HW is Hawkwind ;) The way I understand it, you have to keep using a name to retain the rights to it. Therefor, after a certain time the name was no longer owned by a record company. If Nik wanted to contest the name, he'd have had to do so from the start. Once Brock started using it again, he had the rights to it. What's more, as much as I hate to side with Doug on this, they're right in legally blocking "Nik Turner's Hawkwind". If they don't block it now, they lose exclusive rights to its use... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Wed Jun 5 16:45:04 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:45:04 -0400 Subject: HW OFF: Re: The Brain Tour USA Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Bill Stewart wrote: > Damon thanks for making some sense of that jumble I posted. The Brain are > Paul Fox and Tommy Grenas both of NikWind and Pressurehed. Very enjoyable > stuff, but not for everyone. So... let me see if I've got this somewhat straight. Grenas Fox DelRio LaBelle Shelley House The Brain X X Pressurehed X X X Anubian Lights X X X X X X NikWind X X X X X Farflung X X X Zero Gravity X Spiral Realms X X any others? From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Jun 5 16:44:24 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:44:24 +0200 Subject: BOC: Swedish TV Doesn't Fear The Reaper Message-ID: was downstairs a few hours ago, and heard a familiar tune on the telly - our channel 4 played "Don't Fear the Reaper". It was the first part of eight of a Stephen King mini serie entitled "Pestens Tid" - The Time of the Plague (sorry, don't know the original title), where this BOC tune was the Main Theme of the serie. They played it almost from the beginning through the solo. I know the Stephen King/BOC collobration with the Astronomy 7" - is there more links between them? cool to hear some music on the Royal Swedish TV... \\joe From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Jun 5 16:50:45 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:50:45 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeons albums Message-ID: Unfortunately, we do not yet have an overseas distributor for the albums yet. A few mail order firms bought large quantities of Eponymous from us and I assume that's where the copies of that CD that people reported seeing in London's HMV and elsewhere at ridiculously inflated prices came from. Right now your only option is to order it directly from us via mail order. We're sorry that international money orders are so expensive, but that's the only way we can do this now. If you want to pool with a couple of other people, as some people did for Christmas orders, you'll save on the bank fee. And we do offer discounts for bulk purchases. Annother option is to hook up with list members taking trips to or from England for pleasure or school (hello, Carl!) and make some sort of arrangement with them. You probably won't regret meeting 'em in person, either :-) Here's our address if you need more info: Cellsum Records PO Box 1070 Fort George Station NY NY 10040-9998 USA From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 5 17:35:04 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:35:04 +0100 Subject: A Newbie ! +info needed In-Reply-To: <9606051533.aa01046@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Reply to M Holmes about Re: A Newbie ! +info needed >One thing I always thought was that "Sonic Attack" is similar in style >to Peter Porter's "Your Attention Please" >FoFP >Your Attention Please > -- Peter Porter Wow, only slightly similar. Who is Peter Porter and when and wear was this published? Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk " A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window" From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jun 5 17:34:14 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:34:14 +1100 Subject: BOC: Swedish TV Doesn't Fear The Reaper Message-ID: On 5 Jun 96 Johan Edlundh wrote about BOC: Swedish TV Doesn't Fear The Re: > was downstairs a few hours ago, and heard a familiar tune on the telly - our > channel 4 played "Don't Fear the Reaper". > It was the first part of eight of a Stephen King mini serie entitled > "Pestens Tid" - The Time of the Plague (sorry, don't know the original > title), This (and the book) was originally called "The Stand" ... I'm sure you saw all the threads about it last year .... Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Jun 5 18:50:12 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:50:12 -0400 Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: <9606051731.AA3050@worldcom-45.worldcom.com> from "Chris Baxley" at Jun 5, 96 03:50:11 pm Message-ID: Chris sayz... > > Yeah, well as Captain, Brock apparently threw most of the original crew > overboard! > My question: Since Brock was clearly not the sole inventor of the Hawkwind > phenomenon, Which HW phenomenon...the 1969-72 HW, the 1973-75 HW, the 1976-79 HW, the 1980-1987 HW, the 1988-1994 HW, or the current 1995-96 HW??? Ah, now you see, does the name's essence lie in it's embryonic state?? Or the evolved state?? I tend to favour the latter, and since Brock has been a part of *all* of those entities, that's where the name belongs....IMHO > what gives him exclusive rights to the name? Doug Smith....he says so. :) > As for the Grateful Dead analogy, if Garcia were the sole remaining member of > that group, > I GUARANTEE he would never be presumptuous enough to refer to it as the Dead. ^^^^ Well, I believe he *is* entitled to the name, because he's exactly that - he and the keyboardist fellow, that is.... Keith H. (FAA) ObSolo - Steve Wilson (PT): 'Small Fish' From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Jun 5 18:52:08 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:52:08 -0400 Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK Message-ID: Just a note for the benefit of UK types - Tower in London has a whole stack of these (30 or 40, I guess), at two pounds nineteen each. So other UK outlets ought to be able to get it. My, but there's a lot of... _information_, let's say! :) - Andy From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 01:07:19 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 01:07:19 BST Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:07:30 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > But in all fairness, Brock has been a HW member far longer > than anyone else, whether its because he fired them or not. I > doubt anyone else would have kept the band going so long. > Definitely agree here - Brock's ability to retain band members may be questionable but without any doubt he has the ability to recruit good people into the band (ok with a couple of exceptions perhaps) and on the whole even though they may not always have been great musicians they have always added to the overall Hawkwind sound - to its benefit! That being said however, Chadwick and Davey have both been around a considerable while now so it's obviously not completely impossible to work with Dave Brock 8-) jill obhatethistimeofyear> 400 exam scripts to process..... ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Wed Jun 5 21:30:49 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:30:49 -0700 Subject: BOC: Swedish TV Doesn't Fear The Reaper In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960605224839.045f93ae@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: Johan, The movie came out the states called THE STAND, based off of one of his earlier books. The music was used in the show since he had a quote (or actually a misquote) from the song at the front of the book. Passerby in Time Square On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Johan Edlundh wrote: > was downstairs a few hours ago, and heard a familiar tune on the telly - our > channel 4 played "Don't Fear the Reaper". > It was the first part of eight of a Stephen King mini serie entitled > "Pestens Tid" - The Time of the Plague (sorry, don't know the original > title), where this BOC tune was the Main Theme of the serie. > They played it almost from the beginning through the solo. > > I know the Stephen King/BOC collobration with the Astronomy 7" - is there > more links between them? > > cool to hear some music on the Royal Swedish TV... > > \\joe > From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jun 5 22:32:42 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:32:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: Ziggy=Jimi? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 28 May 1996, Jerry wrote: > Duane, > > >3. He came on so loaded man, well hung and snow white tan > > known to arrive and play in a wasted state, No more wasted than anyone else of that era. And for someone who played in a "wasted state" he was inordinately fastidious about keeping in tune during gigs. (Listen to the "Paris 68" CD from the _Stages_ box set; he tunes up between just about every song---he even sort of embarrassingly apologises to the audience about it.) The Hendrix "wild man" image is something of an urban legend. It actually became a noose around his neck. By all accounts, those that actually met him always described him as a gentle, quiet man. > I thought 'loaded' could also mean to have a lot of money, or a lot of > talent. But since English is not my first language I could be very wrong. Loaded does also have those connotations, but in the context of the lyric it means "stoned." > Somewhere else I read that a musician (forgot his name) entered the Plaster > Caster exhibition, saw the Hendrix mould, looked at it, and left. Last I heard about the Plaster Casters collection was that its ownership was under litigation (involving none other than the notorious Herb Cohen!). > >5. Then we were Ziggy's band - Jimi became larger than the Experience, and > > then left them behind for his Band of Gypsies. Yes, but the Band of Gypsies (Gypsies, Suns, and Rainbows, etc.) was also short lived. In fact, Jimi returned to The Experience (admittedly sans Noel Redding). Besides, The Experience were put together as a vehicle for Hendrix. The line "*Then* we were Ziggy's band" implies they were a name band in their own right beforehand, and then slipped into the background as the frontman became more prominent. In that case, the line would be more applicable to, say Janis Joplin and Big Brother and the Holding Company, for example. > Could also mean the growing group of people he invited to the studio. Take a > look at the list of guest musicians on Electric Ladyland, for example. > At the end of his life, he expressed the wish to leave behing the trio > format. He wanted to create more music than play - rather conducting a very > large group of musicians. I think it was more a case of them "inviting" themselves into the studio than vice versa. I don't think Jimi ever conducted "a very large group of musicians." I think the Gypsies, Suns, and Rainbows incarnation was the largest, personnel-wise, and there was only, what, six of them (two of them were percussionists, in addition to Mitch Mitchell on drums). > Is it prohibited to have some OFF discussion? No, it is strictly verboten! ;-) > Jimi said something like people raising him, although he was mereley a > messenger. Many did not understand the message he had - 'blowing our minds'. I don't know about all this "blowing our minds" stuff. I think he just hungered to give vent to the music inside him. Personally, I think the song "Manic Depression" says more about him than anything he ever wrote. Cheers, Paul. obBook: Shapiro & Glebbeek, _Jimi Hendrix: Electric Gypsy_ obLifeIsGood: Finding copies of Kyuss, _And the Circus Leaves Town_ and Sundial, _Acid Yantra_ in the used CD bins today! e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jun 5 22:34:51 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:34:51 -0400 Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: <9606060107.aa00153@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, J Strobridge wrote: > That being said however, Chadwick and Davey have both been around a > considerable while now so it's obviously not completely impossible to > work with Dave Brock 8-) Yeah, I'm sure he's fine, so long as you don't get started on about money... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sundial, _Acid Yantra_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jun 6 02:59:58 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 23:59:58 PDT Subject: HW: Amsterdam Message-ID: >> >PS, let us arrange a place to meet, so we can get a beer and / or something >> >else. Has anyone been to the Paradiso before? > I tried to get onto a sold-out Belly gig there about 3 or 4 years > ago, isn't it near the Leidesplein (excuse the spelling)or am I way > out? Can you recommend a bar around there where we could meet? Leidseplein (almost correct!). From Central Station (railways), tram 1, 2 or 5. The Paradiso is 100 yards from Leidseplein. There are so many bars around there, which are all very crowded. I'll think about it. Does everyone have the same kind of "needs" when it comes to mental enhancers? Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jun 6 03:12:09 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 00:12:09 PDT Subject: HW: Amsterdam Message-ID: >Jerry wrote: >> Here's a note for the Brits coming over to Amsterdam... RJ replied: >what?you don't like yanks? :) rj The whole discussion involved only Brits. Until now! Glad to see some yanks coming over to Amsterdam as well, just for Hawkwind! :-) [ OFF: You know that "Yankees" is derived from two very common Dutch names, "Jan" (a bit like John) and "Kees" (comparable to Charles)? ] CU, Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jun 6 03:15:17 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 00:15:17 PDT Subject: HW: with and without whom? Message-ID: And the discussion continues... Jon writes: >>> Hawkwind without Dave Brock is NOT Hawkwind. :-) Chris replies: >> Neither is Hawkwind without Nik Turner. FoFP replis: >Bring back Samantha Fox. This is good! :-))))) CU, Jerry Gimme shelter... From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jun 6 03:16:47 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 00:16:47 PDT Subject: Brain Surgeons albums Message-ID: >I asked in our local record store for details of Barin Surgeons albums and >they said there was nothing on catalogue. Are they not released in the UK, >or was he just looking in the wrong place? If anyone knows of a reliable >UK stockist, could they mail me, please? I am in Bath, near Bristol. OK, I have tried long enough. Who is importing them into Holland? Thanks, Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jun 6 03:18:42 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 00:18:42 PDT Subject: OFF: Red Dwarf Message-ID: Ha, some RD fans on the BOC-L! >>> Well, there's the Red Dwarf version: >>> "Emergency. There is an emergency going on. It's still going on. >>> Emergency...." >>I have to say that Red Dwarf is a truely awesome show. You know about the RD mailing list? Jerry From southend at SERV.NET Thu Jun 6 02:54:13 1996 From: southend at SERV.NET (Steve Burton) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 23:54:13 -0700 Subject: OFF : sig. Message-ID: At 04:31 PM 6/5/96 -0400, you wrote: >>> My question: Since Brock was clearly not the sole inventor of the Hawkwind >>> phenomenon, what gives him exclusive rights to the name? >> > Don't get me wrong, I LIKE Nik, but where was his great interest in HW and in particular the name HAWKWIND all those years (18) between 1976 and 1984? Brock has kept the thing going, bless him, and if for no other reason DESERVES to keep and use the name. PERIOD. From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Jun 6 03:31:53 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:31:53 +0200 Subject: OFF : sig. Message-ID: Steve Burton wrote: > > At 04:31 PM 6/5/96 -0400, you wrote: > >>> My question: Since Brock was clearly not the sole inventor of the Hawkwind > >>> phenomenon, what gives him exclusive rights to the name? > >> > > > Don't get me wrong, I LIKE Nik, but where was his great interest in HW and > in particular the name HAWKWIND all those years (18) between 1976 and 1984? > > Brock has kept the thing going, bless him, and if for no other reason > DESERVES to keep and use the name. PERIOD. Lemmy is Motorhead, Brock is Hawkwind, Saloman is the Bevis Frond, Garcia the Dead, Marc Bolan was T.Rex and Syd Barret should never have been tossed out of Pink Floyd! Turner, on the other hand, is like a disgruntled character right outta Spinal Tap.... christian From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Jun 6 03:47:55 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:47:55 +0200 Subject: HW: Brock and/or Turner Message-ID: Hi there Just listen to all the tapes/gigs between the Turner-years 1982 and 1984 and you will know why HAWKWIND was during this time a better PUNK-band but not a SPACEROCK-band. This should be the answer to all fans who want to hear good SPACEROCK from our favorite band HAWKWIND without BROCK is not the REAL HAWKWIND HAWKWIND without BROCK but with TURNER is all but not HAWKWIND Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 03:58:20 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:58:20 +0100 Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: <199606052250.SAA29058@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at Jun 5, 96 06:50:12 pm Message-ID: > > As for the Grateful Dead analogy, if Garcia were the sole remaining member of > > that group, > > I GUARANTEE he would never be presumptuous enough to refer to it as the Dead. > ^^^^ > Well, I believe he *is* entitled to the name, because he's exactly that - he > and the keyboardist fellow, that is.... All of them ;) Rumor has it that Garcia, Pigpen, Keith Godcheaux, and Brent Mydland have been playing "Turn On Your Lovelight" on a guitar, organ, piano, and synth for over 6 months now ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 04:05:33 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:05:33 +0100 Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jun 5, 96 10:34:51 pm Message-ID: > > That being said however, Chadwick and Davey have both been around a > > considerable while now so it's obviously not completely impossible to > > work with Dave Brock 8-) > > Yeah, I'm sure he's fine, so long as you don't get started on about > money... ;-) Actually, from what I hear, Dave hates the business side of the band and would rather leave it to anyone else, even DS ;) I suspect thid explains a lot about the rocky paths of spaceship Hawkwind--no one both competant and interested at the helm ... I can understand Lemmy's point about wanting to get out there and do the music and not want to end up hunched over a laptop in the tour bus working out the figures, but there needs to be a happy medium. You need to be in the black to keep a band going! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Thu Jun 6 09:09:48 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:09:48 U Subject: OFF: Red Dwarf Message-ID: >Ha, some RD fans on the BOC-L! >>>> Well, there's the Red Dwarf version: >>>> "Emergency. There is an emergency going on. It's still going on. >>>> Emergency...." >>>I have to say that Red Dwarf is a truely awesome show. >You know about the RD mailing list? To anyone who wants to join, send SUBSCRIBE REDDWARF to LISTSERV at LISTS.PIPEX.COM. (see also #starbug on EFNET IRC) Cheers, Rich. ** You are what you drink, and I'm a bitter man ** From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 05:29:35 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:29:35 +0000 Subject: HW TV Appearan Message-ID: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: > Still, it's good to see Hawkwind keeping up their vast TV workload! That's > three times I've seen them on TV in only ten years! And does anyone know if > they were actually on UKTV between Quark on Marc (hey, catchy!) and the two > songs on ECT in '86? What's that then...'72 (TOTP), '77, '86, '89 (Bedrock), > and now '96...oh well, into the next millenium before we'll get any more!! > Does this include Nik Turners late 70's appearance ? Now I can't be sure this is true but during the time Nik was touring as Sphinx A BBC program was made about the Great Pyramid. It contained a interview with a "Rock musician" who was convinced that he was a reincarnation of a pharoh. He appeared completley wrapped in bandages in the way of a mummy. Sure looked and sounded like Nik ! Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 04:33:34 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:33:34 +0100 Subject: OFF : sig. Message-ID: Christian wrote: > Turner, on the other hand, is like a disgruntled character right outta > Spinal Tap.... Brilliant. Best laugh I've had for a couple of days. Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 04:48:59 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:48:59 +0100 Subject: OFF : sig. Message-ID: Jill wrote: > Definitely agree here - Brock's ability to retain band members may > be questionable but without any doubt he has the ability to recruit > good people into the band (ok with a couple of exceptions perhaps) and > on the whole even though they may not always have been great musicians > they have always added to the overall Hawkwind sound - to its benefit! > > That being said however, Chadwick and Davey have both been around a > considerable while now so it's obviously not completely impossible to > work with Dave Brock 8-) Some people have been around for long periods - Bainbridge, Davey, Chadwick, Lloyd Langton leap to my mind. Plus a number of others stuck around for years - Calvert, Lemmy. Think of the band as a company rather than a gang and the turnover isn't too high, apart from on the drumstool. Before Richard Chadwick came along HW seem to have recruited lots of crap drummers then fired 'em when they realised how bad they were. I bet Whatsisname Thompson (son of the top bass player chappie) auditioned really well and it was a couple of years before anyone had the balls to admit he couldn't drum :-) Chris From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 6 04:48:20 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:48:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Record Collector / Del Dettmar int. In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960605150134.338782d6@mowmx001> Message-ID: #4 in a series of 6 #1 now trading at $16 so look after 'em ;) Del Dettmar - "synthesizer 1970-74, currently playing "double-pitted axe" by a lakeside in Canada" " A democracy? I dunno. Whoever recorded themost got his own way - and that was Dave. I started out as a road manager for several bands, usually related to the NEMS agencies. The first band I worked with was Cochise, and when I left, Doug Smith asked me to roadie for Hawkwind. Then one day DikMik decided to leave because he couldn't face travelling, so he gave me his synth. We'd all been told since the Fifties that we already had a Utopia, you know, that "never had it so good" stuff. So people were already used to that idea. But I wouldn't say Hawkwind were ever expecting such a thing to happen. Actually the word "hippie" didn't really apply. That was an American thing. The dynamics of a lot of bands only seem to last three or four years, so I upped and left for Canada. I thought England sucked! It was no longer a resource-based country, and that's even more true today. I play music most days. My instrument is a double-pitted wood axe. It has one string attached to a pick-up, which goes through a variety of electronic equipment. I like to buy things like harmonizers when I see them. And I work with dancers now and then and release the odd CD." Ok gang, who do we want tomorrow? DikMik or Terry Ollis? -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 6 04:54:10 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:54:10 +0100 Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Carl E. Anderson" writes > > Nah, HW has gone down-hill since Mick Slattery left :) > > I think I should start a tribute band called Not Hawkwind and >tour under the name :) Even DS might need some time to come up with >a legal objection to that ;) > >Cheers, >Carl Agreed. I'll join, but I think Hawkwind was a step back after Dr. Brock's Famous Cure. Shall we just stick to DBFC covers? ;) -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 5 13:02:02 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:02:02 +0100 Subject: A Newbie ! +info needed In-Reply-To: <9606051533.aa01046@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: >Andy Cobley writes: > >> Perhaps some-one can help me, does anyone know where Bob Clavert >> got the inspiration for Sonic Attack. I'll have to be clear here >> because I'm not looking for maybe's, but for some hard documented >> quote I can use in some research I'm doing. Bob got his inspiration from Mike Moorcock, who wrote "Sonic Attack" ;> For some scary stuff, do a net-search for "HARRP" that's hard documented. Jon Browne From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 10:25:35 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:25:35 BST Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:23:21 -0400 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > >> Jon writes: > >> > Hawkwind without Dave Brock is NOT Hawkwind. :-) > >> > >> Neither is Hawkwind without Nik Turner. > > > > Nah, HW has gone down-hill since Mick Slattery left :) > > > > I think I should start a tribute band called Not Hawkwind and > >tour under the name :) Even DS might need some time to come up with > >a legal objection to that ;) > > Yeah! And they could put out an album entitled: > > "This is not Hawkwind... Panic!" and Warrior Off The Edge of Time FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 10:28:27 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:28:27 BST Subject: A Newbie ! +info needed In-Reply-To: UNREGISTERED VERSION's message of Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:35:04 +0100 Message-ID: UNREGISTERED VERSION writes: > Reply to M Holmes about Re: A Newbie ! +info needed > > >One thing I always thought was that "Sonic Attack" is similar in style > >to Peter Porter's "Your Attention Please" > > >FoFP > > >Your Attention Please > > > -- Peter Porter > > > > > Wow, only slightly similar. Who is Peter Porter and when and wear was this > published? He was a brit poet and I think this was published in the early 60's. Jill has some details on him.+ It ws the only poem that I studied in school which I found interesting. > Si FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 10:31:40 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:31:40 BST Subject: HW: Brock and/or Turner In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:47:55 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi there > > Just listen to all the tapes/gigs between the Turner-years 1982 and 1984 > and you will know why HAWKWIND was during this time a better PUNK-band but > not a SPACEROCK-band. > > This should be the answer to all fans who want to hear good SPACEROCK from > our favorite band > > HAWKWIND without BROCK is not the REAL HAWKWIND > HAWKWIND without BROCK but with TURNER is all but not HAWKWIND A Hawkwind video is not a Hawkwind video without Bridget Wishart in it. > Bernhard FoFP From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jun 6 05:50:27 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:50:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: Goldmine article Message-ID: Having read the article in _Goldmine_... well, I don't have all the answers, y'know, and I probably couldn't've done any better myself, y'know what I'm sayin', but... I think it's a bit of a missed opportunity. There's tons of _stuff_ in there, but a lot of it isn't, like, very interesting, and he seems to hurriedly draw a discreet veil over proceedings when they do threaten to become interesting. Having said that, if I'd read most of this in _Morning Final_ I would have had no complaints at all! It's just that in a magazine article, you have different expectations. What I really want is for Albert to write his memoirs :) - Andy From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 06:38:40 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:38:40 +0100 Subject: HW: with and without when In-Reply-To: <199606060904.KAA19797@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: >And the discussion continues... >Jon writes: >>>> Hawkwind without Dave Brock is NOT Hawkwind. :-) >Chris replies: >>> Neither is Hawkwind without Nik Turner. >FoFP replis: >>Bring back Samantha Fox. >Jerry adds: >This is good! :-))))) When I listen to Hawkwind I hear music not personalities, yet the music is made by all individuals past and present who have played so I can only conclude that 'Hawkwind' is not a mammalian entity but the music itself irrespective of ownership. If I see NT and the music _sounds_ like Hawkwind then I'm perfectly in my right to nod my head in satisfaction and say "Yep, that's Hawkwind alright" .02 worth Maxine From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Jun 6 06:39:54 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:39:54 +0200 Subject: HW: Brock and/or Turner Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Bernhard Pospiech writes: > > > Hi there > > > > Just listen to all the tapes/gigs between the Turner-years 1982 and 1984 > > and you will know why HAWKWIND was during this time a better PUNK-band but > > not a SPACEROCK-band. > > > > This should be the answer to all fans who want to hear good SPACEROCK from > > our favorite band I thought that HW from the very start were in many ways a punk band (and so do many of its members - including Nik of course)... Stuff like Urban Guerilla, Brainbox Pollution, even Days of The Underground are relevant examples of this attitude. Simple heavy riffing music with a socially concious and rebellious attitude. Dave Wyndorf of Monster Magnet also mentioned this in a interview, and I believe Brock once said during the early years that HW were "urban music for urban kids". Of course HW have given birth to/hung out with what I consider punk bands (Motorhead, Inner City Unit, Pink Fairies).... Christian From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 06:01:11 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:01:11 +0100 Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Tim had intended to be "the first interactive suicide" on the Internet > but sadly, cancer overtook him. > > See http://www.leary.com > > -- > Jon Browne > "Sadly"? Does anyone really want to watch someone kill themselves? Why? Leary's idea to commit suicide on the net was, to my mind, pretty ghoulish, and I hope he was simply trying to stir up controversy rather than really intending to do it. Actually doing it would have been really sick, though not as sick as anyone actually wanting to get some voyeuristic thrill by watching him do it. I'm kinda sad at Leary's passing, just because it somehow marks the end of an era (and makes me realise *I'm* getting older!), but I don't think he ever had anything serious to say after he quit academia. Basically he was the P.T.Barnum of the counter-culture (actually, many counter-culturists thought Leary was pretty square). Sorry if I don't join the love-in on this topic.... Dave Ob book: "Storming Heaven", by Jay Stevens (on Leary, LSD, & the counter-culture) From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 12:02:17 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:02:17 BST Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary In-Reply-To: Hardman DK's message of Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:01:11 +0100 Message-ID: Hardman DK writes: > "Sadly"? Does anyone really want to watch someone kill themselves? Why? > Leary's idea to commit suicide on the net was, to my mind, pretty > ghoulish, and I hope he was simply trying to stir up controversy rather > than really intending to do it. Actually doing it would have been really > sick, though not as sick as anyone actually wanting to get some > voyeuristic thrill by watching him do it. There's something to that although I can understand Leary's wish to explode the whole death-denial ethos so prevalent in modern culture. > I'm kinda sad at Leary's passing, just because it somehow marks the end > of an era (and makes me realise *I'm* getting older!), but I don't think > he ever had anything serious to say after he quit academia. Basically he > was the P.T.Barnum of the counter-culture Yep, I'd agree with that assessment. > Dave > > Ob book: "Storming Heaven", by Jay Stevens (on Leary, LSD, & the > counter-culture) Yep it was interesting. For other angles on this see "Acid Dreams - LSD and the CIA" - a history of spies and their involvement with psychedelics and how this actually created much of the counterculture. Also "The Brotherhood of Eternal Love" is worth reading for a view on the producers of LSD and how the whole show kept running until the "Operation Julie" bust in Britain in 1978. FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 5 12:57:56 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:57:56 +0100 Subject: HW/ Record Collector / Nik Turner int. In-Reply-To: <9606051431.AA15143@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: In message <9606051431.AA15143 at borg.med.ecu.edu>, Martyn White writes > You see. My interpretation of the lyrics to "Psychedelic >Warlords" was correct after all ;-) > >Martyn Good one, Martyn! -- Jon Browne From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 07:00:24 1996 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:00:24 +0100 Subject: BOC: Metallica Doesn't Fear The Reaper Message-ID: >Request BOC-L: Lurker mode off >Hi all, > >A quote from the June 7th Entertainment Weekly regarding the new >Metallica album: > >"...and 'Until It Sleeps is nothing less than the band's 'Don't Fear The >Reaper,' an ethereal melody built on guitar textures with the intricacy >of a spider's web." > >Chris > >Request BOC-L: Lurker mode on > Trouble is Until it sleeps is shite, and DFtR isn't I I I ---- 0 ---- I - I -- From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Jun 6 08:50:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:50:00 EDT Subject: OFF : sig. Message-ID: >>The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. >>The Name that can be named is not the eternal Name. >The marrow that can be walked upon is not the eternal Vegetable. >Hawkwind without Dave Brock is NOT Hawkwind. :-) The gig that can be announced is not the eternal concert. The Hawkwind that can be heard this summer is not the true Hawkwind. Rudy A crestfallen US fan From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Jun 6 08:54:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:54:00 EDT Subject: OFF: Re: The Brain Message-ID: >The Brain is one of the two main cartoon characters on a show called >"Pinky & The Brain". His goal, every night, is to take over the world. He >always comes remarkably close, when something (usually Pinky) foils >his plans. Pinky always asks Brain what they are going to do, and Brain >always responds with, "Same thing we do every night. Try to take over >the world".... Chancellor, you forgot the time Pinky became as smart as the Brain. Then it was the inherent flaws in Brain's plans that screwed things up and more or less showed Pinky has been the fall guy all this time. Narf, point. Rudy From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 14:34:56 1996 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:34:56 BST Subject: Nik Turner Message-ID: Right, Here's the details for Nik Turner's Psychedelic Egyptian Trance gig in Leeds next week : Venue : The Cockpit, Leeds Date : Thursday 13th June Mentet 1996 Support : Mandragora and DJ Simon Scott Lights : The Meltedheads Starts : 9.30 pm Stops : 2.00 am Tickets : #5.00 advance #6.00 door Tickets available from Sugar Lump (corn exchange) Leeds, Jumbo, Crash, System (Bradford) and Badlands (Huddersfield). Info No : 0113 2452925 Be there or be somewhere else :) Se y'all at Langtree, Keith From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 6 10:45:43 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:45:43 EST Subject: Tim doesn't FTR Message-ID: > Hardman DK writes: > > > "Sadly"? Does anyone really want to watch someone kill themselves? Why? > > Leary's idea to commit suicide on the net was, to my mind, pretty > > ghoulish, and I hope he was simply trying to stir up controversy rather > > than really intending to do it. Actually doing it would have been really > > sick, though not as sick as anyone actually wanting to get some > > voyeuristic thrill by watching him do it. > I may seem ghoulish on the surface, but wouldn't the idea have been to poke fun at our whole concept of death? I think TL was simply saying: we have this morbid fixation with death, but death is nothing more than another human function, like breathing. And, of course, the whole DFTR idea of life as cyclic experience--one life ends as another begins, the inevitablility of death, our need to come to grips with it, etc... theo In the player these days: Dwight Live One Hot Minute Wired Damn Right I've Got the Blues From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jun 6 10:08:54 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:08:54 -0400 Subject: HW: Amsterdam Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-06 01:33:47 EDT, you write: >[ OFF: You know that "Yankees" is derived from two very common Dutch names, >"Jan" (a bit like John) and "Kees" (comparable to Charles)? ] > > I live just outside NYC and the Dutch influence here is great. The city I was born in is called Yonkers which is Dutch. In fact I have a Dutch Uncle teaching at the University in Leiden. he will be in the States visiting while i'm in Amsterdam seeing HW. Where is the coffee shop called the Greenhouse in relation to the Paradiso. From what I understand this is the best in Amsterdam. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jun 6 10:11:33 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:11:33 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeons albums Message-ID: There is another option for overseas folks seeking tBS albums and wanting to avoid the international money order costs. You might convince one of us BOC-L members in the U.S. to order the CD for you, have it shipped to us, and then we could ship it out to you in exchange for something. I did this months back with a listmember in Australia, who was able to find me a rare BOC tour program down under. I send him a copy of *Trepanation*, and he sent me the tour program. If anyone in the UK can find me a copy of BOC's UK release of "Club Ninja" (the one where "White Flags" doesn't fade out -- but I digress as this was discussed before), not an easy task by the way, but probably more likely to be found in the UK than in the U.S., I'd be more than happy to get a copy of *Trepanation* out to them. John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 6 06:42:18 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:42:18 +0100 Subject: HW / sig. / The Tao of Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <31B68969.7501@eunet.no> Message-ID: See what you started, Guido! Once you get Hawkfans discussing Taoism, it can go on for months! :oP -- Jon Browne ObCD : The new Porno for Pyros "Good God's Urge" Don't look now but Perry's cleaned up, gone to Bali, eaten some local fungi and gone all psycehdelic! This album sounds like Gong in places! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jun 6 10:24:46 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:24:46 -0400 Subject: OFF : sig. Message-ID: > Turner, on the other hand, is like a disgruntled character right outta > Spinal Tap.... Brilliant. Best laugh I've had for a couple of days. Speakin' of the Tap, have you seen the recent IBM commercial? It's pretty funny. Hey, maybe we could get IBM to sponsor a BOC reunion tour (along with the new album?) . . . ;-) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jun 6 10:40:47 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:40:47 -0400 Subject: BOC: Goldmine article Message-ID: Andy sez: >but... I think it's a bit of a missed opportunity. There's tons of _stuff_ in there, but a lot of it isn't, like, very interesting, and he seems to hurriedly draw a discreet veil over proceedings when they do threaten to become interesting. Well, I may represent the minority of Goldmine readers, but I found it all very interesting - perhaps overkill for most people, but I've been waiting along time for such a "ton of stuff" like that to be availble. As far as the "discreet veil...when they do threaten to become interesting", I guess I'm not surprised, so I really wasn't dissappointed. I mean, I would never expect alot of the ugly details, especially with someone like Bolle contributing to the article. As has been stated here before, alot of the details deal with people's personal lives, and are no business but their own. And, alot of the stuff depends on various people's points of view -- one of the things I found particularly interesting about the article was getting different takes on the same events by different people. However, I'm sure that if they printed the different takes by the major players on some of the big controversial things, it would probably suddenly sound like 2 or 3 different stories being told at once -- for example, after the release of *Imaginos*, there were 2 articles in 2 seperate issues of Kerrang! magazine. One was with an interview with Albert, the other was with an interview with Sandy Pearlman and Eric Bloom -- as you might imagine, the 2 articles paint completely different pictures. I'm not saying the Goldmine article couldn't have tried to address these thorny topics more fully, but I can't say I expected them to. >What I really want is for Albert to write his memoirs :) That would definitely be cool reading. Based on my conversations with Bolle, my face-to-face and e-mail conversations with Al and Deb, and my limited contact via e-mail with a few other members of BOC, my perception is that if anyone in the band would lay out the history of the band without pulling any punches, Albert would be the one for the job. John From r.f.wessel at MINOCW.NL Thu Jun 6 16:45:40 1996 From: r.f.wessel at MINOCW.NL (Ron Wessel) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:45:40 EDT Subject: hw: will they come or not Message-ID: Confusion will be my epitaph......... Hawkwind was sceduled to play in Rotterdam on the 30th of june and then weren't. Next: Hawkwind was sceduled to play in Rotterdam on the first of july and now they arn't. Someone at Nighttown (where they would play) told me that the tour was canceled. What does this mean for the Tilburg and Amsterdam gigs????? The man at Tilburg didn't know yet. Could anyone tell me: will they come or not. So tell me please. Ron W. ...and departing leave behind us.... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jun 6 10:58:02 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:58:02 -0400 Subject: Tim doesn't FTR Message-ID: > Hardman DK writes: > > > "Sadly"? Does anyone really want to watch someone kill themselves? Why? > > Leary's idea to commit suicide on the net was, to my mind, pretty > > ghoulish, and I hope he was simply trying to stir up controversy rather > > than really intending to do it. Actually doing it would have been really > > sick, though not as sick as anyone actually wanting to get some > > voyeuristic thrill by watching him do it. > I may seem ghoulish on the surface, but wouldn't the idea have been to poke fun at our whole concept of death? I think TL was simply saying: we have this morbid fixation with death, but death is nothing more than another human function, like breathing. And, of course, the whole DFTR idea of life as cyclic experience--one life ends as another begins, the inevitablility of death, our need to come to grips with it, etc... Well, I agree with DK - I don't think there's alot of merit in watching someone die. While we perhaps should not fear the reaper (even though most of us probably do on some level), I don't think observing someone else's encounter with the reaper is necessary beneficial to any of us, and I certainly don't think there's any humor involved -- if you can laugh at your own death fine, but laugh at someone else's? Personally, I thought the whole idea of broadcasting your death (be it over the internet, radio, or cable TV) is both dumb and useless -- death is a personal experience, and as much as we might have loved ones all around us, I think when it comes right down to dying, we go at it alone - and neither BOC's most famous song nor someone's broadcast of their own death will fundamentally change that ultimate moment. At least that's what the Three Men in Black told me . . . John From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jun 6 16:02:32 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:02:32 BST Subject: hw: will they come or not Message-ID: > Someone at Nighttown (where they would play) told me that the tour > was canceled. What does this mean for the Tilburg and Amsterdam gigs????? > The man at Tilburg didn't know yet. > Typical.....1 hour after I book my flight to Holland....ho-hum, guess I'll just have to get stoned anyway. ;) bye - Rob From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jun 6 16:05:02 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:05:02 BST Subject: off: Phish? Message-ID: I noticed in NME that Phish are playing in London on the 11th of July. Does anyone recommend going to see them? bye - Rob From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Thu Jun 6 11:03:16 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:03:16 -0500 Subject: off: Phish? In-Reply-To: <9606061505.AA11132@etlxd20c> from "Rob" at Jun 6, 96 04:05:02 pm Message-ID: > > I noticed in NME that Phish are playing in London on the 11th > of July. Does anyone recommend going to see them? > > bye - Rob > If you are a Dead fan at all...YES. -- "Illiteracy is the ultimate form of censorship. You do not need to burn a book or ban a book if someone cannot read it." Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6134 From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Jun 6 07:31:22 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:31:22 +0000 Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary Message-ID: > > "Sadly"? Does anyone really want to watch someone kill themselves? Why? ---------------------------------------------- ---- ---- everyone looks at death in their own way.some fear it,some look forward to it,some simply accept it. some believe they continue afterward,some believe they simply become dinner for worms. leary saw it as an ultimate journey.if he was serious,which i doubt, it is sad that he was not permitted to die in the way of his choosing. to me, dying early sounds a far site better than spending my last days in the hell of hospital care.it horrifies me to imagine bits of me dropping off or breaking down,losing my mind to senility,etc. i am not and have never been suicidal, but i hope that someday i die in the sack,or failing that,in some righteous crusade or defense. i get a little nervous thinking about dying,much in the way of the nervousness i feel right now,contemplating my fast approaching trip to europe.the unknown is always a little unsettling.... rj From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jun 6 16:40:38 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:40:38 BST Subject: off: Dead (was Re: off: Phish?) Message-ID: > > > > > I noticed in NME that Phish are playing in London on the 11th > > of July. Does anyone recommend going to see them? > > > > bye - Rob > > > > If you are a Dead fan at all...YES. > This may sound strange to some of you, but apart from the 'Twilight Zone' tune I've never heard anything by Grateful Dead. What should I start with? bye - Rob From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 6 11:41:43 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:41:43 -0400 Subject: Tim doesn't FTR In-Reply-To: <199606061458.KAA23340@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > laugh at your own death fine, but laugh at someone else's? Personally, > I thought the whole idea of broadcasting your death (be it over the > internet, radio, or cable TV) is both dumb and useless -- death is a People pay handsomely every day of the year to watch people die---often in lingering, graphic detail---in cinemas and on cable TV screens all across the world. An entire industry has sprung up to satisfy this "ghoulish" urge. When we watch actors die/be killed/mutilated/etc. in films it is called "entertainment." When someone actually threatens to do it for real, it is apparently labelled "dumb and useless." Maybe Tim was onto something there after all... Cheers, Paul. obCriminalWasteOfSpace: End of track 11, Kyuss, _And The Circus Leaves Town_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Jun 6 07:47:00 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:47:00 +0000 Subject: Tim doesn't FTR Message-ID: > Well, I agree with DK - I don't think there's alot of merit in watching > someone die. While we perhaps should not fear the reaper (even though > most of us probably do on some level), I don't think observing someone > else's encounter with the reaper is necessary beneficial to any of us,================================================== ================================================== perhaps some of these would be spectators were hoping to catch a glimpse into what they had to look forward to. or,maybe they thought that somewhere between life and death,tim might pass on wisdom previously denied living man. also, it is commonly believed that a good many of the crowds that attend high-end auto racing go in the hopes (wether they are aware of it or not)that they might see some poor bastard go out in a ball of fire. i don't believe that peoples' mental disorders fit neatly into textbook catagories,nnor do i believe that someone should be labeled as sick for being intrigued at the notion of witnessing someone's last moments. disclaimer: i only heard about this net-suicide thing on this list,and assumed it was a joke.i have no interest in watching such,but withhold judgement on those who do. ob bitch:my wife and i got the sack simultaneously this week.they shut down our business. rj From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 6 11:51:17 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:51:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: Etymology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Jerry wrote: > [ OFF: You know that "Yankees" is derived from two very common Dutch names, > "Jan" (a bit like John) and "Kees" (comparable to Charles)? ] Once, a Mexican friend of mine explained to me how the word "gringo" came about. :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Various, _Singles: Motion Picture Soundtrack_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU Thu Jun 6 12:07:14 1996 From: irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:07:14 -0500 Subject: off: Phish? In-Reply-To: <9606061505.AA11132@etlxd20c> from "Rob" at Jun 6, 96 04:05:02 pm Message-ID: > > I noticed in NME that Phish are playing in London on the 11th > of July. Does anyone recommend going to see them? > > bye - Rob I do. -Bryan From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 6 12:31:49 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:31:49 -0400 Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK In-Reply-To: <960605185207_408053777@emout15.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Andy Gilham wrote: > Just a note for the benefit of UK types - Tower in London has a whole stack > of these (30 or 40, I guess), at two pounds nineteen each. So other UK > outlets ought to be able to get it. > > My, but there's a lot of... _information_, let's say! :) Well, I think there's a lot of *trivia*, but there are startling gaps of real insight or information at key places. I *still* don't know why Albert was ousted from the band. All they do is credit it to his "outlandish behaviour" and him "being Albert" and leave it to the reader to fill in exactly what that means, and why it classes as a hanging offence. A specific example is provided---wherein Albert smashes in the windows of a rental car that had made him late for a gig---but this is parenthetically described as being "in true 'rock star fasion.'" Is this what they mean when it is said, "they all thought he was over the edge?" I mean, "It had become just so emotionally crazy, we couldn't play with him," doesn't tell me very much. Reading between the lines (which I'd rather not do, given such vague information), I get the impression that Albert was kind of the Nik Turner of BOC, i.e. eclectic and something of a showman, and this (as in Hawkwind) caused friction with the other bandmembers that wished for a more "definite" direction/persona for the band. For example, later, when they take him on as a hired hand to do some shows because they find themselves without a drummer, they do so on the agreement that he "promise to behave." (They even specified that he was not to be given a vocal mike, and "didn't want him coming up to the front of the stage.") What sort of onstage antics did he used to get up to that required him to "behave?" Or are they referring to offstage antics here? Actually, maybe Bob Calvert is more appropriate than Nik Turner? ;-) Finally, I couldn't help but recall that scene from _Spinal Tap_ when I read Bloom's appraisal of the current BOC lineup, in which he states, "To tell you the truth, I don't think we've ever played any better. . . . We certainly have [now] the best musicians we've ever had. . . . *I* think it's the best [BOC] band that's ever been." You know the scene: Nigel Tufnel has just left the band, and the rockumentary director asks David St. Hubbins for his reaction and he says, basically, something along the lines of "we've lost a lot of personnel during our history, Nigel won't be the first; he won't be the last." The director, aghast, challenges him on this, citing the seminal importance of Tufnel in the band, and St. Hubbins finally concedes, admitting something along the lines of "well, I'm sure I'd feel a lot worse about it if I weren't on such heavy medication..." ;-) Well, like I said, there's a mountain of great trivia in there, but don't expect it to address the "big questions." Mind you, that picture of Albert wearing the legendary Godzilla mask is worth the price of admission alone! (That, and all the cheesy promo photos.) ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Screaming Trees, _Sweet Oblivion_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 6 12:38:29 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:38:29 -0400 Subject: off: Dead (was Re: off: Phish?) In-Reply-To: <9606061540.AA11136@etlxd20c> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Rob wrote: > This may sound strange to some of you, but apart from the > 'Twilight Zone' tune I've never heard anything by Grateful Dead. And that's a bit of a cheat, as it is a cover tune! > What should I start with? I dunno. Did someone say _Europe '72_? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Screaming Trees, _Sweet Oblivion_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jun 6 12:36:06 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:36:06 -0400 Subject: OFF : sig. Message-ID: >Speakin' of the Tap, have you seen the recent IBM commercial? It's pretty >funny. Hey, maybe we could get IBM to sponsor a BOC reunion tour (along >with the new album?) . . . ;-) Yep, they had the whole setup. Wonder if it was dubbed, didn't look like it. The facial expressions matched. Perhaps this means they're up to another project... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jun 6 12:36:08 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:36:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: Etymology Message-ID: >On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Jerry wrote: > >> [ OFF: You know that "Yankees" is derived from two very common Dutch names, >> "Jan" (a bit like John) and "Kees" (comparable to Charles)? ] > >Once, a Mexican friend of mine explained to me how the word "gringo" came >about. :-) There are dozens of versions how that came to be... I heard it was from a group of americans (BTW, part of the reason they use it is that most of Latin America hates it when we call ourselves "Americans", they hold that everyone in the new world is "American") traveling through Mexico (probably what is now Texas) used to sing loudly the song "Green Grow the Rushes" every night. ( I still hear the song occasionally at SCA events, and saw it once on Sesame Street with a numerical theme. R.E.M. did a variation of it on their "Fables of the Reconstruction"....) When referring to someone from the U.S. or Canada, they might say "Norteamericano", but there's no word easily usable to refer to someone from the U.S. as "Gringo".... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jun 6 12:48:32 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:48:32 -0400 Subject: hw: will they come or not Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-06 11:02:36 EDT, you write: >> Someone at Nighttown (where they would play) told me that the tour >> was canceled. What does this mean for the Tilburg and Amsterdam gigs????? >> The man at Tilburg didn't know yet. >> > > Typical.....1 hour after I book my flight to Holland....ho-hum, > guess I'll just have to get stoned anyway. ;) > > bye - Rob > > Whew.......Just called the Paradiso in Amsterdam THE SHOW IS ON:)))) Tickets can be ordered over the phone with plastic 621-1211 is the number for AUB ticket brokers. regards, Bill 'nervous breakdown avoided' Stewart From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 6 12:56:50 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:56:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Brock and/or Turner In-Reply-To: <199606060747.JAA26563@exit.ruhr.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Bernhard Pospiech joined the fray, along with many others: [...] > HAWKWIND without BROCK is not the REAL HAWKWIND > HAWKWIND without BROCK but with TURNER is all but not HAWKWIND Well, that "real Hawkwind" troll is always good for at least a dozen followups. Congratulations to whomever started it. :-) Hey, maybe someone can repost those equations we came up with last time for calculating a "real"/optimal Hawkwind. Maybe we can work on the coefficients a bit more? ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sundial, _Acid Yantra_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 13:03:53 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:03:53 +0100 Subject: Battlelords In-Reply-To: <199606051806.OAA11203@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: RIMMER: So you've heard of this, `Inquisitor', Kryten? KRYTEN: Only as a myth, sir, a, horror story, a dark fable told over flickering firelight wherever hardened space-dogs gather, to drink fermented vegetable products and _compete_ in _tales of -BLOOD-CHILLING TERROR!-_ RIMMER: A simple `yes' would've sufficed. Or... KRYTEN: Ooohhhhh, _screw_ down my diodes and call me Frank!" /_______________________________________________________\ | | | Jonathan Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | Mail to above ( P'code CB2 1RF ) or following: | | 2 Selwyn Gardens ( 7 ), | | Cambridge, CB2 1NG. | | Ext. Tel. 01223 460728 Int. Tel. 39082 | | E-mail to: jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | |=======================================================| | "Given that the universe is infinite, and that | | God is also infinite... would you like a toasted tea- | | cake?" | | | \_______________________________________________________/ From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Thu Jun 6 10:04:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:04:00 -0400 Subject: off: Dead Phish Message-ID: >> What should I start with? >I dunno. Did someone say _Europe '72_? Or how about 'Live Without A Net' for the more recent live feel. Hundred Year Hall is a nice early show as well, and a good price as well. :-) Chris >Cheers, >Paul. From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 13:05:22 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:05:22 +0100 Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: <9606060107.aa00153@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: > obhatethistimeofyear> 400 exam scripts to process..... > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- obAlsohatethistimeofyear> feels-like-400 exam scripts to _write_! JAZZA From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 13:11:30 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:11:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: The Brain In-Reply-To: <31B64A43@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: "Are you thinking what I'm thinking, Pinky?" "Think so Brain, but if we didn't have ears we'd look like weasels." I don't know, I think they should take over the world. Not as if Spielberg doesn't rule a large chunk already. ObOpinion> Animaniacs: good, esp. Goodfeathers, but Tiny Toons far, far, superior. ObAttempttolinktotopic> Babs and Buster occasionally do sketches entirely based on pop/rock mickey-takes. If Tiny Toons is allowed to continue indefinitely, like the monkeys and Shakespeare, they will at some point cover Silver Machine and Don't Fear the Reaper ObDisclaimer> this is no sillier than an `obexplosion', just taken much much further... JAZZA /----------------------------------------------------------\ | "So, Penfold, what did you think of Popacatepetl?" | | "Er, not yet chief, but I will as soon as we | | get to the kitchen." | |==========================================================| |Jonathan Jarrett ( History ) | Ext. Tel. 01223 460728 | | ( Pembroke College, | Int. Tel. 39082 | | Cambridge CB2 1RF ) or | E-MAIL: | | 2 Selwyn Gardens (7), | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | Cambridge CB2 1NG. | | \__________________________________________________________/ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 13:13:53 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:13:53 +0100 Subject: Tim doesn't FTR In-Reply-To: <31B6C534.55D1@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, SKARSOL wrote: > also, it is commonly believed that a good many of the crowds that attend > high-end auto racing go in the hopes (wether they are aware of it or > not)that they might see some poor bastard go out in a ball of fire. A hell of a lot of people used to watch hangings, when Britain still did that... Probably Britain's longest-running tourist attraction. After Lloyd-Webber musicals of course. Jazza From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 18:14:46 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:14:46 BST Subject: Tim doesn't FTR In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:41:43 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > > > laugh at your own death fine, but laugh at someone else's? Personally, > > I thought the whole idea of broadcasting your death (be it over the > > internet, radio, or cable TV) is both dumb and useless -- death is a > > People pay handsomely every day of the year to watch people die---often in > lingering, graphic detail---in cinemas and on cable TV screens all across > the world. An entire industry has sprung up to satisfy this "ghoulish" > urge. When we watch actors die/be killed/mutilated/etc. in films it is > called "entertainment." When someone actually threatens to do it for > real, it is apparently labelled "dumb and useless." Maybe Tim was onto > something there after all... I seem to remember that during his time at Millbrook Leary did some work translating The Egyptian Book of The Dead into Western terms. Whatever that's worth, it does give him a little credibility as far as debunking death goes. FoFP From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 6 13:18:56 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:18:56 -0400 Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: <199606060848.JAA11345@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Chris Bates wrote: > Before Richard Chadwick came along HW seem to have recruited lots > of crap drummers then fired 'em when they realised how bad they were. > I bet Whatsisname Thompson (son of the top bass player chappie) > auditioned really well and it was a couple of years before anyone > had the balls to admit he couldn't drum :-) The scary thing is that in my class in secondary school was someone called Malcolm Thompson who---as fate would have it---also played drums. But the REAL scary part is that he bore an *uncanny* resemblance to Hawkwind's own Danny Thompson. Maybe there was a high-level government project to seed clone drummers named Thompson into the UK populace? Does anyone have any biographical information on Danny Thompson?? (Jill???) Cheers, Paul. obFirstSpin: Metallica, _Load_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Jun 6 13:32:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:32:00 EDT Subject: off: Dead /Phish Message-ID: >>I dunno. Did someone say _Europe '72_? >Hundred Year Hall is a nice early show as well, and a good price as >well. :-) Both are great and from the same tour (my peak liking for the Dead). This is the era that inspired the Phish. The recent Live Without a Net has too much of a jazz tinge for me. It is not what Phish sound like either. Rudy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jun 6 13:38:10 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:38:10 -0400 Subject: Tim doesn't FTR Message-ID: Paul says: >People pay handsomely every day of the year to watch people die---often in lingering, graphic detail---in cinemas and on cable TV screens all across the world. True. But IMHO that's different from a "real" death. I mean, everyone who pays to watch deaths on cinema/TV know that it isn't real, no matter how good the special effects are. And, I don't believe in general they watch specifically because they are interested in death. They may be interested in the stories created which cause these deaths, or they may be interested in seeing gore, but I don't think they are specifically going to see death. John From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 19:09:14 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:09:14 BST Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:02:17 BST Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > Ob book: "Storming Heaven", by Jay Stevens (on Leary, LSD, & the > > counter-culture) > > Yep it was interesting. For other angles on this see "Acid Dreams - LSD > and the CIA" - a history of spies and their involvement with > psychedelics and how this actually created much of the counterculture. > Also "The Brotherhood of Eternal Love" is worth reading for a view on > the producers of LSD and how the whole show kept running until the > "Operation Julie" bust in Britain in 1978. > And I dunno if you'll find it in a book but how Britain adopted the idea of using LSD in psychiatric hospitals ostensibly first as an experimental treatment but subsequently (long after all scientific assessment of the drug had ceased) continuing its use as long-term therapy(?) giving some emotionally disturbed people a dose a week over a period of several years. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jun 6 14:06:39 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:06:39 -0400 Subject: Tim doesn't FTR Message-ID: >True. But IMHO that's different from a "real" death. I mean, everyone >who pays to watch deaths on cinema/TV know that it isn't real, no matter >how good the special effects are. And, I don't believe in general they >watch specifically because they are interested in death. They may be >interested in the stories created which cause these deaths, or they >may be interested in seeing gore, but I don't think they are specifically >going to see death. Ever seen one of those "Faces of Death" videos? Nothing but real death, electrocutions, police killed by a gator, a vaction camcorder of a beheading in Arabia, hangings, etc. There's so successful that they are now up to the 9th installment of the series, and imitation videos are showing up from other companies. A recent one had a guy who blew his brains out with a gun, some politician who was about to go down, on tape.... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 19:22:54 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:22:54 BST Subject: HW: the Late News Message-ID: ok - crawled out from beneath a pile of exam scripts and phoned C&D so see what was going on (or not as the case may be). SPACEHEAD album (Of Stars and Time) aptly named! Apparently the DAT that was sent to EBS as a master tape was recorded "out of phase". Consequently they will need to do another one and the release of this album has been delayed. (Don't ask me about the technical bits - I merely read my notes!!). Probably 4-5 weeks so an end of July or early August date looks more likely now. HAWKWIND Ritual of the Solstice remixes has a release date of 24 June. However this looks VERY unlikely since apparently they have added an extra track - and the good/bad news is that the vinyl and CD will have different tracks. HAWKWIND single Love In Space is even more uncertain. So.... they might have something out for the mini-tour, or they might not. The latter being most likely I suspect 8-) However if they are still messing about in recording studios it could go some way to explaining why various tour dates are being cancelled - it doesn't sound like it's going to be the best prepared set of gigs! In fact the later shows may well be the best ones once the band has had time to firm up their stage presentation. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 6 12:43:24 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:43:24 +0100 Subject: HW: with and without when In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Maxine Wesley writes >When I listen to Hawkwind I hear music not personalities, yet the >music is made by all individuals past and present who have played so I >can only conclude that 'Hawkwind' is not a mammalian >entity but the music itself irrespective of ownership. If I see NT and >the music _sounds_ like Hawkwind then I'm perfectly in my right to nod my >head in satisfaction and say "Yep, that's Hawkwind alright" > > >.02 worth > > >Maxine I do agree largely, and even Dave admits the band is good, but you have to put yourself in Dave's position. I mean, what's the point of laying out ?x,000 in tour support for a May tour, if "Hawkwind" have just been through town three weeks earlier. Not *everyone* is going to see both shows and not *everyone* is going to know the full story, in order to make an informed decision. As it goes Nik is my favorite Hawk. And some of the *best* gigs I've ever seen in my life were Inner City Unit shows, who, on average usually turned in a more exciting show than the Hawks' IMO. In fact, the best Hawkwind gig I ever saw was Stonehenge '84, largely due to Nik's theatrics (and the new bass player!) but Dave's put his *life* into Hawkwind, year after year, and it really is going to undermine the group's efforts if _anyone_ else goes out as "Hawkwind". As has been said, it really is a legal issue. And I don't think Dave is being petulant in wishing to prevent his intellectual property being usurped. In fact, I would be astonished if he irresponsibly allowed Nik to walk off with what amounts to his life's work. It's nothing to do with a materialistic attitude, the injunction was clearly a defensive measure. I trust Nik still gets whatever royalties he's due from the tracks he wrote. I'm sure he isn't being ripped by Doug, Dave or anyone else. But in all honestly why would he call his new band Hawkwind if it wasn't *money* at the end of the day? I'm surprised he's coming the innocent, like he didn't know what he was doing. I'm surprised by the whole affair really, considering how brilliant everything Nik's done is. I would 've thought he'd have more pride than that. Space Ritual is a fine name for the band, too. -- Jon Browne From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jun 6 15:33:42 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:33:42 -0400 Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK Message-ID: Paul said >Well, I think there's a lot of *trivia*, but there are startling gaps of >real insight or information at key places. I *still* don't know why >Albert was ousted from the band. All they do is credit it to his >"outlandish behaviour" and him "being Albert" and leave it to the reader >to fill in exactly what that means, and why it classes as a hanging >offence. I hadn't skimmed more than a few pages when I posted that first message, which is why I was non-committal... Yeah, that's probably the most obvious point where an issue was raised, and my ears pricked up, and I thought, "tell me more!", and then the subject was quickly changed. (Though I reckon if Albert had been in Man, for instance, he'd have been the suspiciously quiet one! :) There's a really fascinating story to be told about the BOC, it's about power dynamics between Pearlman and the rest, and it's still untold... - Andy ObCD: Alison Krauss - _Now That I've Found You_ From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 6 16:05:59 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:05:59 -0400 Subject: OFF but ON: Timothy Leary In-Reply-To: <9606061909.aa26977@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, J Strobridge wrote: > And I dunno if you'll find it in a book but how Britain adopted the > idea of using LSD in psychiatric hospitals ostensibly first as an > experimental treatment but subsequently (long after all scientific > assessment of the drug had ceased) continuing its use as long-term > therapy(?) giving some emotionally disturbed people a dose a week > over a period of several years. I remember reading in a book about drug pathology that one of the uses of LSD was (is?) in the treatment of terminally ill patients. The loss of ego (to use the technical term) brought about by ingesting LSD was used to help guide the terminally ill to come to terms with their impending demise, and to enable them to view better their place in the universe. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sundial, _Acid Yantra_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Thu Jun 6 16:08:03 1996 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:08:03 -0800 Subject: Tim doesn't FTR In-Reply-To: <199606061806.OAA18776@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > Ever seen one of those "Faces of Death" videos? Nothing but real > death, electrocutions, police killed by a gator, a vaction camcorder > of a beheading in Arabia, hangings, etc. There's so successful > that they are now up to the 9th installment of the series, and imitation > videos are showing up from other companies. A recent one had a > guy who blew his brains out with a gun, some politician who was about > to go down, on tape.... I hate to say this but most of the "death" footage in Faces of Death is fake. The already-dead corpses and some of the shootings, etc are real, but much of the scenes where people die are obviously staged, for instance the close-up of the guy being electrocuted. (There has never been an officially filmed execution in the USA as far as I know. If there has been, the footage has never been seen by the public. The closest we got was two still photographs taken of an electrocution in the 1930s, and that was only because a reporter hid a camera in his pants leg. -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jun 6 16:23:01 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:23:01 -0400 Subject: Tim doesn't FTR Message-ID: >On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >> Ever seen one of those "Faces of Death" videos? Nothing but real >> death, electrocutions, police killed by a gator, a vaction camcorder >> of a beheading in Arabia, hangings, etc. There's so successful >> that they are now up to the 9th installment of the series, and imitation >> videos are showing up from other companies. A recent one had a >> guy who blew his brains out with a gun, some politician who was about >> to go down, on tape.... > >I hate to say this but most of the "death" footage in Faces of Death is >fake. The already-dead corpses and some of the shootings, etc are real, but Well, at any rate it was not marketed as such.... which means people were paying for what they thought was death.... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 17:07:17 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 22:07:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock and/or Turner In-Reply-To: <9606061031.aa23770@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jun 6, 96 10:31:40 am Message-ID: > > HAWKWIND without BROCK is not the REAL HAWKWIND > > HAWKWIND without BROCK but with TURNER is all but not HAWKWIND > > A Hawkwind video is not a Hawkwind video without Bridget Wishart in it. Yeah, or that tutu-clad dancer (aka David Lee Roth in drag ;)! Got to be there! ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Thu Jun 6 16:56:16 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:56:16 -0500 Subject: off: Dead (was Re: off: Phish?) In-Reply-To: <9606061540.AA11136@etlxd20c> from "Rob" at Jun 6, 96 04:40:38 pm Message-ID: > > > I noticed in NME that Phish are playing in London on the 11th > > > of July. Does anyone recommend going to see them? > > > > > > bye - Rob > > > > > If you are a Dead fan at all...YES. > > This may sound strange to some of you, but apart from the > 'Twilight Zone' tune I've never heard anything by Grateful Dead. > What should I start with? > > bye - Rob That is a hard one. The Dead have gone in such a diverse number of directions over the years. I had a conversation with a woman taking a class here about the Dead once. She said she didn't like that "hard rock psychidelic stuff", she liked country music, like what I was playing at the time. ( The GD "Bears Choice" album ;-} I'd start with either some of the "eariler" albums (pre '85) or better yet some recordings of live concerts. The Dead are one of the very few bands that encourage people to record their concerts. (The even sell special tickets to the "taping section" so thos recording are in optimal position to do so.) Lots of people all around the world trade live GD concert tapes. Enjoy! David Letterman to Jerry and Bob after the release of "In the Dark": "So how has success changed your life?" Jerry: "You know those pistachio nuts that are hard to open? I throw those away now." BTW: Sorry to be off subject here! -- "Illiteracy is the ultimate form of censorship. You do not need to burn a book or ban a book if someone cannot read it." Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6134 From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Jun 6 13:26:21 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:26:21 +0000 Subject: off: Phish? Message-ID: Ed Gallagher wrote: > > > > > I noticed in NME that Phish are playing in London on the 11th > > of July. Does anyone recommend going to see them? > > > > bye - Rob > > > > If you are a Dead fan at all...YES.======================================================================== i must say this.phish is one of the very best shows i have ever seen.liking the dead is a good indication that you will like phish, but is definitely not a prerequisite.if you like funky jazz psychedelia, mixed with a bit of goof-ball foolery,check 'em out.the only real comparison to the dead that i have seen, is their tendency to slide into long spacey jams,guaranteed to overwhelm the senses,and get the feet tappin' at least. additionally, all members are excellent showmen,and their stage antics alone are worth seeing. i have four of their albums, and the live experience absolutely dwarfs the studio efforts. i STRONGLY recommend the live double cd called "a live one". rj From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Jun 6 13:27:41 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:27:41 +0000 Subject: off: Dead (was Re: off: Phish?) Message-ID: Rob wrote: > > > > > > > > > I noticed in NME that Phish are playing in London on the 11th > > > of July. Does anyone recommend going to see them? > > > > > > bye - Rob > > > > > > > If you are a Dead fan at all...YES. > > > > This may sound strange to some of you, but apart from the > 'Twilight Zone' tune I've never heard anything by Grateful Dead. > What should I start with? > > bye - Robit's sort of pointless now.the live shows were what counted. rj From stayer at PI.NET Fri Jun 7 02:42:25 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 23:42:25 PDT Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: Hi there, I just finished the first version of the BOCbase. I put in (almost) all my tapes. I have about ten more, and after I have listened to them, I will put them into the BOCbase as well. I divided the lists into three parts: releases (official and unofficial, enormously incomplete), gigs (including tapes of course), and related (hugely incomplete). Next I will put some time is, is put all dates from Bolle's tape list into the BOCbase gig list. After that, you can all go and search your tape collections for additions or corrections. Have a look at BOCbase at: http://145.89.78.151/~martijn/boc/boc.htm Let me know what you think. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jun 6 21:36:32 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:36:32 PDT Subject: OFF : sig. Message-ID: >>> Turner, on the other hand, is like a disgruntled character right outta >>> Spinal Tap.... >>Brilliant. Best laugh I've had for a couple of days. >Speakin' of the Tap, have you seen the recent IBM commercial? It's pretty >funny. Hey, maybe we could get IBM to sponsor a BOC reunion tour (along >with the new album?) . . . ;-) Speaking of the Tap again, there's a CD Rom with the complete film, and a bonus CD containing some extra unreleased footage. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jun 6 22:41:34 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:41:34 PDT Subject: OFF: death, was Timothy Leary Message-ID: RJ, >> "Sadly"? Does anyone really want to watch someone kill themselves? Why? > everyone looks at death in their own way.some fear it,some look forward >to it,some simply accept it. Look forward to it or fear it; both is kind of accepting. Not accepting is denying, I guess. >some believe they continue afterward,some believe they simply become >dinner for worms. A friend of mine said thought life was useless because of the latter. He thought it woould have helped if his parents had been bringing him up like a Christian. He then would have a perception of a heaven. I didn't agree. I was brought up an atheist. I have my own vision of death now. It does not include any heavens or gods, but it does not make me feel life as being useless. >leary saw it as an ultimate journey. To be honest, I do too. >to me, dying early sounds a far site better than spending my last days >in the hell of hospital care.it horrifies me to imagine bits of me >dropping off or breaking down,losing my mind to senility,etc. I agree. >i am not and have never been suicidal, but i hope that someday i die >in the sack,or failing that,in some righteous crusade or defense. Again, I agree. > i get a little nervous thinking about dying, Nervous... as in 'looking forward'? Actually, I am looking forward to it as well. It's not that I am sick of life. When you're ready to die, ready to make the ultimate journey, it's my belief that you are really /ready/ to do it (unless there's some unfortunate helicopter you fall out of the sky with, or fucking brain tumor that hits you). You've lived your life to the full, there's no more things your brains can learn. But you have got to make sure you learn enough before you get old. If you're too slow, or spend too much time on useless things (like... making money? being mad about things? resenting things and people?), you get old before you know it, and too slow to learn anything. I would like to avoid that. I try anything new to learn. >much in the way of the >nervousness i feel right now,contemplating my fast approaching trip to >europe.the unknown is always a little unsettling.... Anything new to learn... Just my train of thoughts... Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jun 6 23:44:13 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 20:44:13 PDT Subject: OFF: I woke up this morning... Message-ID: ========================================= Homo Ex Machina char_fig.sys device = brain.sys /on /high device = mind.sys /open devicehigh = good.sys /allways country = 0,,world.sys buffers = limitless files = 0 /open lastdrive = not_yet switches = /none shell = open get_up.bat @echo off /always loadhigh self:\smartdrv /no_drink set path = self:\ ; partner:\ ; home:\ set path = %path% ; straight:\ set blaster = low set temp = self:\write_down set respect = self:\heart\ set love = self:\heart\ set trust = self:\heart\ set think = self:\brain\ loadhigh self:\virus\vshield /rubber /any_access loadhigh self:\vga\setmode /wide loadhigh self:\share /everything loadhigh self:\communic\ears /open loadhigh Start_Nice_Day ============================================= Jerry From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 18:33:17 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 23:33:17 +0100 Subject: off: Phish? In-Reply-To: <9606061505.AA11132@etlxd20c> from "Rob" at Jun 6, 96 04:05:02 pm Message-ID: > I noticed in NME that Phish are playing in London on the 11th > of July. Does anyone recommend going to see them? Where?!! How can I get tix! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Thu Jun 6 18:39:16 1996 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:39:16 -0400 Subject: HW: with and without when In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Maxine Wesley wrote: > >And the discussion continues... > > >Jon writes: > >>>> Hawkwind without Dave Brock is NOT Hawkwind. :-) > > >Chris replies: > >>> Neither is Hawkwind without Nik Turner. > > >FoFP replis: > >>Bring back Samantha Fox. > > >Jerry adds: > >This is good! :-))))) > > When I listen to Hawkwind I hear music not personalities, yet the > music is made by all individuals past and present who have played so I > can only conclude that 'Hawkwind' is not a mammalian > entity but the music itself irrespective of ownership. If I see NT and > the music _sounds_ like Hawkwind then I'm perfectly in my right to nod my > head in satisfaction and say "Yep, that's Hawkwind alright" > > > .02 worth > > > Maxine > I agree. Both Hawkwind and NT's Hawkwind provide different interpretations of the same songs without losing the 'Hawkwind' sound. From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Jun 6 18:36:20 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:36:20 -0600 Subject: BOC: Swedish TV Doesn't Fear The Reaper In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960605224839.045f93ae@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: That was released here in the States as The Stand in 1994. You mentioned a previous collaboration between BOC/S. King on the Astronomy CD single. Do you have this or do you know where I can buy/trade for a copy of this CD single. My understanding is that there are 4 versions of Astronomy on this CD single, to include the spoken intro by King on one of them. It would be nice to see BOC and/or BS to work on more film projects. GOd bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Thu Jun 6 18:44:58 1996 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:44:58 -0400 Subject: off: Phish? In-Reply-To: <9606061505.AA11132@etlxd20c> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Rob wrote: > I noticed in NME that Phish are playing in London on the 11th > of July. Does anyone recommend going to see them? > > bye - Rob > You bet. Don't miss it for your life. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 18:46:44 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 23:46:44 +0100 Subject: off: Phish? In-Reply-To: <9606061503.AA20532@info1.harper.cc.il.us> from "Ed Gallagher" at Jun 6, 96 10:03:16 am Message-ID: > > I noticed in NME that Phish are playing in London on the 11th > > of July. Does anyone recommend going to see them? > > If you are a Dead fan at all...YES. I'd recommend it to Zappa, Allmans, and Santana fans as well. Heck, if you like jamming improv music that's _really_ tight, be there! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jun 6 18:50:19 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:50:19 PDT Subject: BOC: Astronomy CD-S In-Reply-To: ; from "jean l delacour" at Jun 6, 96 4:36 pm Message-ID: > > That was released here in the States as The Stand in 1994. > > You mentioned a previous collaboration between BOC/S. King on the Astronomy > CD single. Do you have this or do you know where I can buy/trade for a > copy of this CD single. My understanding is that there are 4 versions of > Astronomy on this CD single, to include the spoken intro by King on one of > them. > Actually, King appears on two of the four tracks. Two tracks are the std. Imaginos version, with King doing the voice-over on one. The other two tracks are radio-edit version, with/without King. Sorry, my copy is not for sale. Do be aware that the cover for the single is the same as the album, so examine those CD's in the used bins carefully! > It would be nice to see BOC and/or BS to work on more film projects. > Uhhh, can you say "Bad Channels"??? > GOd bless... > > Manuel & > > Jean Delacour > University of New Mexico > Parish Library > Alb, NM 87131-1496 > delacour at unm.edu > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 6 18:52:54 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 23:52:54 +0100 Subject: hw: will they come or not In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960606164513.581f84b8@mowmx001> from "Ron Wessel" at Jun 6, 96 04:45:40 pm Message-ID: > Hawkwind was sceduled to play in Rotterdam on the 30th of june and then weren't. > Next: > Hawkwind was sceduled to play in Rotterdam on the first of july and now they > arn't. Someone at Nighttown (where they would play) told me that the tour > was canceled. What does this mean for the Tilburg and Amsterdam gigs????? > The man at Tilburg didn't know yet. Sounds like business as usual for Spaceship Hawkwind .... ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From mbraun at RAYGUN.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM Fri Jun 7 01:32:18 1996 From: mbraun at RAYGUN.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 00:32:18 CDT Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 06 Jun 96 17:07:26 EDT." <199606062107.RAA11171@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:31:49 -0400, Paul Mather wrote: >Finally, I couldn't help but recall that scene from _Spinal Tap_ when I >read Bloom's appraisal of the current BOC lineup, in which he states, "To >tell you the truth, I don't think we've ever played any better. . . . We >certainly have [now] the best musicians we've ever had. . . . *I* think >it's the best [BOC] band that's ever been." You know the scene: Nigel >Tufnel has just left the band, and the rockumentary director asks David >St. Hubbins for his reaction and he says, basically, something along the >lines of "we've lost a lot of personnel during our history, Nigel won't be >the first; he won't be the last." The director, aghast, challenges him on >this, citing the seminal importance of Tufnel in the band, and St. >Hubbins finally concedes, admitting something along the lines of "well, >I'm sure I'd feel a lot worse about it if I weren't on such heavy >medication..." ;-) This is, to my mind, one of the keenest observations on the state of BOC made on this list in *YEARS*. Art imitating Life imitating Art. Mr. Mather, my hat's off to you. Please take (no less than) one bow. :-) m@ +-mbraun at urbana.mcd.mot.com-+-- Won't get a chance to drink myself ------[MB]-+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Into a tragic fall into the grave | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Love to go out in a blaze of glory | +---Special Projects Team --+--- But it looks like I'll just fade away -----+ From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 03:56:54 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 08:56:54 +0100 Subject: Tim doesn't FTR Message-ID: John wrote: > Well, I agree with DK - I don't think there's alot of merit in watching > someone die. While we perhaps should not fear the reaper (even though > most of us probably do on some level), I don't think observing someone > else's encounter with the reaper is necessary beneficial to any of us, There's a Dutch T.V. film about voluntary euthanasia in which a terminally ill chap is helped die by his Doctor. The point of the film is to show the decision making process he, his wife and the Doc went through not to show the death. However they do show him dying and it is one of the most moving and beautiful things I've seen on T.V. If the film helps others to come to terms with their own, or their loved ones decisions about voluntary euthanasia then I think it IS beneficial. Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 04:14:59 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:14:59 +0100 Subject: off: Dead (was Re: off: Phish?) Message-ID: Rob asked: > This may sound strange to some of you, but apart from the > 'Twilight Zone' tune I've never heard anything by Grateful Dead. > What should I start with? Depends what sort of music you like really. They did the famous psychedelic freak-out bit, had a country/blue-grass phase, went a touch like Steely Dan in the mid-late '70s. *Live-Dead* is the one must-buy, the ultimate psych freak live album, also good is *Without A Net* from their late 80s early 90s period as biggest live band in the world. as for studio albums well I'd say *Terrapin Station*, *Blues for Allah* and *Shakedown Street* are safe bets (i.e. not too adventurous!). BTW where can I get a Dead tie to go with the pin-stripe suit I wear to the office? Chris From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 03:37:16 1996 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 08:37:16 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astronomy CD-S Message-ID: > >> It would be nice to see BOC and/or BS to work on more film projects. >> >Uhhh, can you say "Bad Channels"??? > >> I LIKE Bad Channels, OK the BOC songs may not be up to scratch, but some of the other bands are OK. I was listening to the soundbite section the other day and theres some pretty good guitar in some of it, although the title leave a lot to be desired-bring her feed is OK but Corky Gets It, and Corky gets mad are a bit silly. I I I ---- 0 ---- I - I -- From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jun 7 05:55:02 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:55:02 +0200 Subject: off: Dead (was Re: off: Phish?) Message-ID: Chris Bates wrote: > > Rob asked: > > > This may sound strange to some of you, but apart from the > > 'Twilight Zone' tune I've never heard anything by Grateful Dead. > > What should I start with? I recommend American Beauty (if you like psych country-rock).... Christian From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jun 7 10:59:29 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:59:29 BST Subject: off: Phish? Message-ID: > > > I noticed in NME that Phish are playing in London on the 11th > > of July. Does anyone recommend going to see them? > > Where?!! How can I get tix! > > Cheers, > Carl > It's at the Shepard's Bush Empire. I don't know the box office number, but you could try Stargreen ticket agency on 0171-734 8932. bye - Rob From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 7 04:59:01 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:59:01 +0100 Subject: HW / Record Collector / Terry Ollis int. In-Reply-To: <9606062056.AA20797@info1.harper.cc.il.us> Message-ID: #5 in a series of six ------------clip and save-----------clip and save----------- Terry Ollis "drums on the first two albums: now painting & decorating and playing part-time in West London blues bands, including The Wake" " I answered an ad in Melody Maker, and when I turned up it was just John the bass player, Dave Brock and me. That was Hawkwind Zoo. I was about 17; the rest were all, like, ten years older than me. Dave was quite impressed with Can and Soft Machine, bands like that. He'd come along with a riff and then we'd jam for hours. We played loads of gigs with all seven of us tripping and it was fucking amazing - you'd go so far out and yet you'd all be there. If I died at the time, I couldn't have done anything better with my life, because I totally believed in what we were doing. I left because it was becoming like a business; the idealism was going out the window. Not from the band so much, but from the record company and the management. After I left, I lent my drums to Simon King but all their gear got stolen. I went to the management to get some money and they said it would have to come out of my royalties. I left the manager's office, bumped into Dave at the Mountain Grill, told him about it and he said "Yeah, that's right." It was the biggest fucking slap in the face I'd ever had, and it put me off the music industry. I mean, we'd been living in each other's pockets for three or four years. I went off to Blackheath into semi-retirement, though I did play a benefit gig with my mate Steve Took, fuckin' lovely fella. I think he got a bit done in by it all, too." I might do DikMik's later today, If I get a moment. It's only a quick one! -- Jon Browne From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jun 7 06:14:58 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:14:58 +0200 Subject: Tim doesn't FTR Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > >True. But IMHO that's different from a "real" death. I mean, everyone > >who pays to watch deaths on cinema/TV know that it isn't real, no matter > >how good the special effects are. And, I don't believe in general they > >watch specifically because they are interested in death. They may be > >interested in the stories created which cause these deaths, or they > >may be interested in seeing gore, but I don't think they are specifically > >going to see death. > > Ever seen one of those "Faces of Death" videos? Nothing but real > death, electrocutions, police killed by a gator, a vaction camcorder > of a beheading in Arabia, hangings, etc. There's so successful > that they are now up to the 9th installment of the series, and imitation > videos are showing up from other companies. A recent one had a > guy who blew his brains out with a gun, some politician who was about > to go down, on tape.... > I saw that one and it really bothered me for a long time... my mates kept running it over and over, laughing at it, and I thought man, you would't be laughing if it was you... Its fine to accept that we all die, but mocking it that way really shows how fucking scared one really is underneath. I think its a primal instinct within us to react with fear/disgust when we see stuff like that, but people have become so desenzitized from media to think shit like that's cool... unless the face of death looks them in the eyes, they wouldn't think it was so damn funny..... not that I don't enjoy a good splatter flick, but at least its not real.... christian From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 11:28:57 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:28:57 BST Subject: HW / Record Collector / Terry Ollis int. In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:59:01 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > > Terry Ollis > "drums on the first two albums: now painting & decorating and playing > part-time in West London blues bands, including The Wake" > > " I answered an ad in Melody Maker, and when I turned up it was just > John the bass player, Dave Brock and me. That was Hawkwind Zoo. I was > about 17; the rest were all, like, ten years older than me. > Dave was quite impressed with Can and Soft Machine, bands like that. > He'd come along with a riff and then we'd jam for hours. We played loads > of gigs with all seven of us tripping and it was fucking amazing - you'd > go so far out and yet you'd all be there. > If I died at the time, I couldn't have done anything better with my > life, because I totally believed in what we were doing. > I left because it was becoming like a business; the idealism was going > out the window. Not from the band so much, but from the record company > and the management. After I left, I lent my drums to Simon King but all > their gear got stolen. I went to the management to get some money and > they said it would have to come out of my royalties. I left the > manager's office, bumped into Dave at the Mountain Grill, told him about > it and he said "Yeah, that's right." It was the biggest fucking slap in > the face I'd ever had, and it put me off the music industry. I mean, > we'd been living in each other's pockets for three or four years. > I went off to Blackheath into semi-retirement, though I did play a > benefit gig with my mate Steve Took, fuckin' lovely fella. I think he > got a bit done in by it all, too." Steve Took was the guy who used to write for "Gandalf's Garden" and other alternative magazines? He died not so long ago. I dunno how. His girfriend is trying to set up some kind of memorial and has ads in various magazines including Record Collector. > Jon Browne FoFP From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jun 7 06:33:07 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:33:07 +0200 Subject: HW / Record Collector / Terry Ollis int. Message-ID: > Steve Took was the guy who used to write for "Gandalf's Garden" and > other alternative magazines? He died not so long ago. I dunno how. His > girfriend is trying to set up some kind of memorial and has ads in > various magazines including Record Collector. > Steve "Peregrine" Took was the other half of Tyrannosaurus Rex (w/Marc Bolan). He died in the early 80's from a drug related heart attack (I think). christian From hdboc at TELEVAR.COM Fri Jun 7 06:46:35 1996 From: hdboc at TELEVAR.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 03:46:35 -0700 Subject: BOC new to list Message-ID: Hi all! Finally found out how to subscribe to this list. New to the list, but old timer B?C fan. Tanx for havin' me. Jack (aka hdboc) From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 07:06:44 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:06:44 +0100 Subject: Goldmine In-Reply-To: <31B8088B.588F@televar.com> Message-ID: I trolled down to Tower Records in Picadilly Circus this morning, and can report that there are still a good few copies of Goldmine there. I've just spent the past hour with my head buried in the BOC article and hoping the boss doesn't come by..... Dave From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 07:34:24 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:34:24 +0100 Subject: Goldmine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Hardman DK wrote: > I trolled down to Tower Records in Picadilly Circus this morning, and can > report that there are still a good few copies of Goldmine there. I forgot to mention that they also have various BOC CDs at fairly cheap prices. I just picked up FoUO for 7.99 - last time I looked it was about 15 quid. D From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Jun 7 06:49:11 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 06:49:11 -0400 Subject: off: Phish? In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Jun 6, 96 11:46:44 pm Message-ID: Carl says-- > > > I noticed in NME that Phish are playing in London on the 11th > > > of July. Does anyone recommend going to see them? > > > > If you are a Dead fan at all...YES. > > I'd recommend it to Zappa, Allmans, and Santana fans as well. > Heck, if you like jamming improv music that's _really_ tight, be there! I think every Phish phan I've met was also a Deadhead. Me, I'll stick to Zappa, the Allman Brothers, and Santana. :-) Guido -- The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The Name that can be named is not the eternal Name. From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 08:16:00 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:16:00 +0100 Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK In-Reply-To: <199606070532.AAA16280@raygun.urbana.mcd.mot.com> Message-ID: "Working with David and Nigel is like working with Fire and Ice - I see my role as sort of lukewarm water" - Derek Smalls. If Nigel = Albert, who is David? and worse, who is Derek? - Mike Godwin PS I always assumed that TAP were based on the Yardbirds, with Tufnel being a sort of combination of Beck and Page ... From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 13:30:01 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:30:01 BST Subject: HW: Langtree Message-ID: Hey - I just got this from the North Devon Tourist Board. Haven't tried it yet but will do: Langtree Festival contact: Alex Duncan of Stapleton Farm Tel. 01805 601335 Little Torrington campsite - Smytham Manor (close to Langtree) Tel. 01805 622110 cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 08:39:31 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:39:31 +0100 Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, M R Godwin wrote: > > PS I always assumed that TAP were based on the Yardbirds, with Tufnel > being a sort of combination of Beck and Page ... > Well, they're sort of an amalgamation of lots of bands really. The bit where David St HUbbins starts bringing his girlfriend along on tour seems very Beatles-ish. Interestingly, I see the Goldmine article cites as the cause of discontent with Albert the fact that he starting going to gigs with his girlfriend separate from the rest of the band. One particular BOC-Tap connection: I always liked the similarity between the gothicky-type script on the cover of OYFOOYK and on Spinal Tap - and Spinal Tap also used an umlaut!! Another BOC-tap connection: Is Imaginos the BOC equivalent of Jazz Odyssey? Of course, to be fully equivalent Imaginos should have been a band project, but the point is that both albums were long talked about projects that were revived once band fortunes were on the wane. I have to confess I'd noticed some time back the connection between the dialogue in Spinal Tap and what Eric B said, but just couldn't bring myself to point out the connection between my fav band and "the Tap"! Dave From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jun 7 08:41:42 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:41:42 +0200 Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK Message-ID: M R Godwin wrote: > > "Working with David and Nigel is like working with Fire and Ice - I see my > role as sort of lukewarm water" - Derek Smalls. > > If Nigel = Albert, who is David? and worse, who is Derek? > > - Mike Godwin > > PS I always assumed that TAP were based on the Yardbirds, with Tufnel > being a sort of combination of Beck and Page ... Interesting. I'll have to add them to my list of bands with Spinal Tap factor.... BAND TAP FACTOR Black Sabbath 11 Blue Oyster Cult 11 Deep Purple 11 Yardbirds 11 Led Zeppelin/Page&Plant 11 Cream 11 Hawkwind 11 Judas Priest 11 Faith No More 11 Metallica 11 Donovan 0 Doors 9 Rolling Stones 11 The Damned 8 U2 7 Love 10 King Crimson 11 Yes 11 1/2 I could list a zillion more.... From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jun 7 08:53:17 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:53:17 +0200 Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK Message-ID: > > One particular BOC-Tap connection: I always liked the similarity between > the gothicky-type script on the cover of OYFOOYK and on Spinal Tap - and > Spinal Tap also used an umlaut!! Yeah, but so does Motorhead and (ugh) Motley Crue... any others? christian From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 7 08:15:49 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 23:15:49 +1100 Subject: HW: Big news coming Message-ID: Gidday All, I've been asked not to announce what new WWW page is now online ..... I almost can't resist telling you who now *REALLY* has an email address! Stay Tuned! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 7 09:11:00 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:11:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK Message-ID: >> >> One particular BOC-Tap connection: I always liked the similarity between >> the gothicky-type script on the cover of OYFOOYK and on Spinal Tap - and >> Spinal Tap also used an umlaut!! > > >Yeah, but so does Motorhead and (ugh) Motley Crue... any others? Husker Du? +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri Jun 7 14:15:15 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:15:15 U Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK Message-ID: >Another BOC-tap connection: Is Imaginos the BOC equivalent of Jazz >Odyssey? Of course, to be fully equivalent Imaginos should have been a >band project, but the point is that both albums were long talked about >projects that were revived once band fortunes were on the wane. Nooo! Surely Imaginos would have to be the equivalent of... "You're a naughty one, saucy Jack" *grin* Cheers, Rich. ** Did you know that Karen Carpenter played drums on 'Bomber'? ** From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Fri Jun 7 09:23:40 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:23:40 -0400 Subject: Langtree Message-ID: Re: Langtree Festival contact: Alex Duncan of Stapleton Farm Tel. 01805 601335 >>>> I was away for a week there, did I miss a data announcement for this ? (I assume HW are playing ?) Cheers, Steve L. From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 09:26:18 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:26:18 +0100 Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Hardman DK wrote: > Interestingly, I see the Goldmine article cites as the > cause of discontent with Albert the fact that he starting going to gigs > with his girlfriend separate from the rest of the band. MG replies: I had certainly heard a rumour that Albert left because the other guys' wives did not approve of him dumping his wife and shacking up with a younger woman, Yoko-style. > One particular BOC-Tap connection: I always liked the similarity between > the gothicky-type script on the cover of OYFOOYK and on Spinal Tap - and > Spinal Tap also used an umlaut!! MG replies: I think BOC did it first as part of their teuton-rock chic. "Our symbol is a swastika substitute" - I can't remember who said that, or when, but somebody did. > Another BOC-tap connection: Is Imaginos the BOC equivalent of Jazz > Odyssey? MG responds: Of course not, it's "Saucy Jack (you're a naughty one)" the rock opera about Jack the Ripper that never got written... > I have to confess I'd noticed some time back the connection between the > dialogue in Spinal Tap and what Eric B said, but just couldn't bring > myself to point out the connection between my fav band and "the Tap"! > Me too! - Mike Godwin "I could open a chapeau shop. 'What size?' I'd ask them, and they'd tell me, and then I'd say 'Yes, we've got than size in stock'..." From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Jun 7 09:24:20 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:24:20 +0100 Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 07 Jun 1996 14:53:17 +0200." <31B8263D.6D90@eunet.no> Message-ID: > > > > One particular BOC-Tap connection: I always liked the similarity between > > the gothicky-type script on the cover of OYFOOYK and on Spinal Tap - and > > Spinal Tap also used an umlaut!! > > > Yeah, but so does Motorhead and (ugh) Motley Crue... any others? queensryche Tim ObCD: Stabbing Westward _Wither Blister Burn + Peel_ From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jun 7 09:28:35 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:28:35 +0200 Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK Message-ID: > > Husker Du? How could I forget!?? ("Husker Du" means "Do You Remember" in Norwegian...) I think the reason I forgot is that they're a not a metal band (arguably Zen Arcade has metal influences).... any more umlaut bands out there?? christian From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Jun 7 09:29:13 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:29:13 -0400 Subject: BOC: Metallica Doesn't Fear The Reaper In-Reply-To: from "Stier, Christopher" at Jun 5, 96 01:14:00 pm Message-ID: Stier, Christopher writes: > > Request BOC-L: Lurker mode off > Hi all, > > A quote from the June 7th Entertainment Weekly regarding the new > Metallica album: > > "...and 'Until It Sleeps is nothing less than the band's 'Don't Fear The > Reaper,' an ethereal melody built on guitar textures with the intricacy > of a spider's web." I always thought their Don't Fear The Reaper was "Fade to Black". :) Steve swann at panix.com From RBONEY at UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Fri Jun 7 09:32:20 1996 From: RBONEY at UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Robert Boney) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:32:20 EDT Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:15:15 U from Message-ID: TAP FACTOR: The two bands I could think of who should have a higher Tap Factor than Black Sabbath or B.O.C. are: Hawkwind and Saxon From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 14:36:03 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:36:03 BST Subject: HW: Big news coming In-Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?='s message of Fri, 7 Jun 1996 23:15:49 +1100 Message-ID: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?= writes: > Gidday All, > > I've been asked not to announce what new WWW page is now online ..... > > I almost can't resist telling you who now *REALLY* has an email > address! So is He signing onto the list? > Sonique FoFP From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Jun 7 09:43:03 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:43:03 -0400 Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: <9606060107.aa00153@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Jun 6, 96 01:07:19 am Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > > Definitely agree here - Brock's ability to retain band members may > be questionable but without any doubt he has the ability to recruit > good people into the band (ok with a couple of exceptions perhaps) and > on the whole even though they may not always have been great musicians > they have always added to the overall Hawkwind sound - to its benefit! > > That being said however, Chadwick and Davey have both been around a > considerable while now so it's obviously not completely impossible to > work with Dave Brock 8-) Well, my suspicion is that it's possible to work with Brock, as long as you remember who's the boss. (I don't mean that to sound as harsh as it probably does.) Alan's been with him for what, 15 years? It's kind of funny that "that new bass player" has been in the band longer than anybody except Brock himself. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 7 08:57:31 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 23:57:31 +1100 Subject: HW: Big news coming Message-ID: On 7 Jun 96 M Holmes wrote about Re: HW: Big news coming: > > I almost can't resist telling you who now *REALLY* has an email > > address! > > So is He signing onto the list? Who said it was 'He' ;^) I've no idea .... the address I'm talking about seems to be a dud anyway ("unknown host" was sendmail's reply). The page in question is real enough though! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 14:54:05 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:54:05 BST Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:43:03 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > Alan's been with him for what, 15 years? 12 this month. Wasn't his first gig the Stonehenge '84 one? > Steve Mike "Mind Your Head" Holmes From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 7 09:52:32 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:52:32 -0400 Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK Message-ID: >TAP FACTOR: > >The two bands I could think of who should have a higher Tap Factor than >Black Sabbath or B.O.C. are: > >Hawkwind and Saxon Led Zeppelin and the Who have minor Tap factors, as do any other bands who had a drummer die on them.... (we can be glad this is one Tap Factor BOC didn't have ) +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jun 7 09:58:48 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:58:48 +0200 Subject: HW: Big news coming Message-ID: At 23:57 1996-06-07 +1100, you wrote: >On 7 Jun 96 M Holmes wrote about Re: HW: Big news coming: > >> > I almost can't resist telling you who now *REALLY* has an email >> > address! >> >> So is He signing onto the list? > >Who said it was 'He' ;^) > >I've no idea .... the address I'm talking about seems to be a dud >anyway ("unknown host" was sendmail's reply). The page in question is >real enough though! aaw, come on mate, gimme the URL! I promise to keep it for meself... >Sonique \\joe From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Jun 7 10:03:56 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:03:56 -0400 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: Just on a whim, I tried the above... :) - Andy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Jun 7 10:12:03 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:12:03 +1000 Subject: gooday In-Reply-To: <9606071454.aa03834@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Hi fans! Just thought I would introduce myself to the list. I'm Troy and I hail from Australia. BOC and HW are my two fave bands, so I fell lucky to have found this list. Look forward to the chat. Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Jun 7 10:16:28 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:16:28 +1000 Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK In-Reply-To: <199606071352.JAA18831@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >TAP FACTOR: > > > >The two bands I could think of who should have a higher Tap Factor than > >Black Sabbath or B.O.C. are: > > > >Hawkwind and Saxon > > Led Zeppelin and the Who have minor Tap factors, as do any other > bands who had a drummer die on them.... (we can be glad this is > one Tap Factor BOC didn't have ) > What about Uriah Heep and UFO? Troy H. From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 10:16:32 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:16:32 +0100 Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK In-Reply-To: <199606071352.JAA18831@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > Led Zeppelin and the Who have minor Tap factors, as do any other > bands who had a drummer die on them.... (we can be glad this is > one Tap Factor BOC didn't have ) Perhaps we should be grateful that nothing came of the pre-BOC line-ups, otherwise we might have TV footage of Les Braunstein, Buck et al in 60's suits and hairdos against psychedelic backdrops......factors that send the TAP factor through the ceiling :) Dave From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Jun 7 10:18:07 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:18:07 -0400 Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: <31B68969.7501@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jun 6, 96 09:31:53 am Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: > > Steve Burton wrote: > > > > At 04:31 PM 6/5/96 -0400, you wrote: > > >>> My question: Since Brock was clearly not the sole inventor of the Hawkwind > > >>> phenomenon, what gives him exclusive rights to the name? > > >> > > > > > Don't get me wrong, I LIKE Nik, but where was his great interest in HW and > > in particular the name HAWKWIND all those years (18) between 1976 and 1984? > > > > Brock has kept the thing going, bless him, and if for no other reason > > DESERVES to keep and use the name. PERIOD. > > Lemmy is Motorhead, Brock is Hawkwind, Saloman is the Bevis Frond, > Garcia the Dead, Marc Bolan was T.Rex and Syd Barret should never have > been tossed out of Pink Floyd! > > Turner, on the other hand, is like a disgruntled character right outta > Spinal Tap.... That's harsh. Nik was a real gentleman when I saw him on the "Space Ritual" tour last summer. He put on a fine show, and he's a man who really appreciates his audience. That's a feeling that I don't get with a lot of other rock bands, the real Hawkwind included. Steve swann at panix.com From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 7 09:24:15 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:24:15 +1100 Subject: HW: Big news coming Message-ID: On 7 Jun 96 Johan Edlundh wrote about Re: HW: Big news coming: > >I've no idea .... the address I'm talking about seems to be a dud > >anyway ("unknown host" was sendmail's reply). The page in question is > >real enough though! > > aaw, > come on mate, gimme the URL! > I promise to keep it for meself... Yeah right ... just like Andy ;^) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Jun 7 11:17:19 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:17:19 EST Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: "This site will feature interviews, rare photos, current project information direct from the Hawkwind camp, discographies and chances for you to conduct your own 'cyber' interview with members of the band, both past and present." ..... "All material supplied and copyright owned by Hawkwind." ^^^^^^^^ Ya-hoo! It's about time! I wonder who's the contributing member(s)...? Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 7 09:25:21 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:25:21 +1100 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: On 7 Jun 96 Andy Gilham wrote about HW: www.hawkwind.com: > Just on a whim, I tried the above... > > :) Shit, now the wrath of 'He' weill be upon me / :( \ Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 7 09:32:38 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:32:38 +1100 Subject: gooday Message-ID: On 8 Jun 96 Troy Harris wrote about gooday: > Hi fans! Gidday Troy! That's three Melburnites on the list (even if one is an import!) Paul/Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 10:45:00 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:45:00 +0100 Subject: Re Tap factors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Tap Factor Index seems to be built up from a group of subsidiary random scores for: 70s clothing Being English Arguing on tour Girlfriend trouble Weary lyrics Great stage sets ("and where are they now, the little people of Stone'enge?" On this basis, a strong contender for a starred 11 must be: * Mott the Hoople * - Mike Godwin From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 7 10:40:24 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:40:24 -0400 Subject: Melbournites Message-ID: Captain Cloud, about two hours north of where I am, lives in Palm Bay, FL, which is effectively a suburb of Melbourne, Florida.... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Jun 7 10:56:43 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:56:43 -0400 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: >Shit, now the wrath of 'He' will be upon me Oops sorry Paul, I just thought it was worth a try! I didn't really expect it to work! - Andy ObCD: Emmylou Harris - _Wrecking Ball_ From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 7 10:11:04 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:11:04 +1100 Subject: Melbournites Message-ID: On 7 Jun 96 Andrew A. Apold wrote about Melbournites: > Captain Cloud, about two hours north of where I am, lives > in Palm Bay, FL, which is effectively a suburb of > Melbourne, Florida.... But Melbourne, FL doesn't have Gum Trees! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jun 7 11:08:25 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:08:25 +0200 Subject: Re Tap factors Message-ID: M R Godwin wrote: > > The Tap Factor Index seems to be built up from a group of subsidiary > random scores for: > > 70s clothing > Being English > Arguing on tour > Girlfriend trouble > Weary lyrics > Great stage sets ("and where are they now, the little people of > Stone'enge?" > Iron Maiden... Motorhead (WWII Plane!)... AC/DC... Alice Cooper... Kiss all have (had) great stage sets... I'd have to chuck in Status Quo as the ultimate 60s/70s cheesy dinosaur group (they started in the sixties with pseudo-psychedelia under different names as well...) If it hadn't been for Queen's consistent line-up they'd score high on the Tap list. As for me scoring Love so high, the reason is that I just read the bio that came with Rhino's great "Love Story" Box set....among other things they had a roadie who stole all their equipment and van and sold it to get junk. He died of a heroin overdose the next day!! Of course Lee "dedicated" a song to him. There were also several instances of members disappearing and reappearing and Lee sacking everybody (after "Forever Changes") along with other Tapesque situations. He just toured Europe with a new "Love", and I saw them in Oslo, and it was an incredible show. (sorry if I'm a little off track here...) Somebody should sit down and work out all the different Tap factors and create an average Tap Factor system based on raw data..... just an idea! Christian From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Jun 7 11:08:20 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:08:20 -0400 Subject: was Goldmine....now umlauts In-Reply-To: <31B82E83.60A0@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jun 7, 96 03:28:35 pm Message-ID: Christian sayz... > > > > Husker Du? > > How could I forget!?? ("Husker Du" means "Do You Remember" in > Norwegian...) I think the reason I forgot is that they're a not a metal > band (arguably Zen Arcade has metal influences).... any more umlaut > bands out there?? My favourite is Grotus....they have umlauts on all four consonents, but none on either vowel... :) However, I've never heard any of their music, so I can tell you how cool they might be otherwise.... Another one is Amon Duul I/II, of course.... Keith H. (FAA) From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 16:06:29 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:06:29 BST Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:18:07 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > Christian Mumford writes: > > > > Steve Burton wrote: > > Turner, on the other hand, is like a disgruntled character right outta > > Spinal Tap.... > > That's harsh. > > Nik was a real gentleman when I saw him on the "Space Ritual" tour > last summer. He put on a fine show, and he's a man who really > appreciates his audience. That's a feeling that I don't get with a > lot of other rock bands, the real Hawkwind included. I agree. Whenever I've met Nik he's shown nothing but interest and outstanding patience. It'd take a lot to convince me that he's not a genuinely decent guy. I think a lot of the bullshit that goes on in the music industry has a lot more to do with the structure of the industry than with the musicians themselves. > Steve FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 16:08:16 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:08:16 BST Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:17:19 EST Message-ID: cjohnson writes: > "This site will feature interviews, rare photos, current project > information direct from the Hawkwind camp, discographies and > chances for you to conduct your own 'cyber' interview with members > of the band, both past and present." > > ..... > > "All material supplied and copyright owned by Hawkwind." > ^^^^^^^^ Hmmmm, anyone want to take bets that their online lyrics will have "?????"'s in places not dissimilar to our own? FoFP From nexus at PANIX.COM Fri Jun 7 11:08:58 1996 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:08:58 -0400 Subject: Re Tap factors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >The Tap Factor Index seems to be built up from a group of subsidiary >random scores for: >70s clothing >Being English >Arguing on tour >Girlfriend trouble >Weary lyrics >Great stage sets ("and where are they now, the little people of > Stone'enge?" >On this basis, a strong contender for a starred 11 must be: >* Mott the Hoople * Hey, I like the Mott the Hoople - and I'm not quite sure about "Weary lyrics". They also lose points for not having any drummers die and for breaking up rather than touring for the end of time. JB From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 16:09:47 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:09:47 BST Subject: Re Tap factors In-Reply-To: M R Godwin's message of Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:45:00 +0100 Message-ID: > The Tap Factor Index seems to be built up from a group of subsidiary > random scores for: > > 70s clothing > Being English > Arguing on tour > Girlfriend trouble > Weary lyrics > Great stage sets ("and where are they now, the little people of > Stone'enge?" You are Tim Blake and I claim my Five Pounds! FoFP From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Jun 7 11:11:34 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:11:34 -0400 Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK In-Reply-To: <199606071311.JAA11006@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Jun 7, 96 09:11:00 am Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > > >> > >> One particular BOC-Tap connection: I always liked the similarity between > >> the gothicky-type script on the cover of OYFOOYK and on Spinal Tap - and > >> Spinal Tap also used an umlaut!! > > > > > >Yeah, but so does Motorhead and (ugh) Motley Crue... any others? > > Husker Du? .. Green Jello Steve swann at panix.com From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Jun 7 11:19:30 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:19:30 -0400 Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: <9606071454.aa03834@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jun 7, 96 02:54:05 pm Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > Stephen Swann writes: > > > Alan's been with him for what, 15 years? > > 12 this month. Wasn't his first gig the Stonehenge '84 one? > > > Steve > > Mike "Mind Your Head" Holmes He's listed in the liner notes for _Levitation_. Did Castle Records screw up? (This is the Castle double CD release of Levitation/Live 79). Steve swann at panix.com From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 7 10:28:45 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:28:45 +1100 Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future Message-ID: >From the author of the page: > You got in because the links are not finished yet which > is why I ask you not to pass the address onto anyone. Oh dear ..... -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Jun 7 11:24:22 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:24:22 -0400 Subject: was Goldmine....now umlauts Message-ID: Keith said >Another one is Amon Duul I/II, of course.... Yeah, but they're German, that's how it's spelt! :) The purely cosmetic umlaut is a whole 'nother matter... I'm sure Motorhead's is in direct tribute to BOC - they toured with them early on, and in one of the photos on the inner sleeve of _Motorhead_ you can see a _Secret Treaties_ poster. After that it became a bandwagon. Symbols are another thing that I think BOC started - Radio Birdman *surely* did theirs in tribute to BOC, and now even Take That have one. Queensryche have both, but I don't know what that says! - Andy From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Jun 7 12:25:38 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:25:38 EST Subject: Melbournites (and Opa Loka) Message-ID: >> Captain Cloud, about two hours north of where I am, lives >> in Palm Bay, FL, which is effectively a suburb of >> Melbourne, Florida.... > >But Melbourne, FL doesn't have Gum Trees! But we do have plenty of *palm* trees, right on a (small) bay... Every once in a while I hear about some "sister city" event that involves both Melbourne FL and Melbourne Oz. Apparently someone else has already noticed the similarity in names... :-) Speaking of cities in Florida, I want to refer back to the HW Trivia discussion. There is a city in FL called "Opa Loka", but I have never believed in a relationship between it and the HW song. Beyond coincidence, is anyone aware of HW even knowing the city exists? There must be a more likely explanation for the title... (as he carefully tries to steer back on topic). Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 11:30:05 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:30:05 +0100 Subject: Re Tap factors In-Reply-To: <31B845E9.2433@eunet.no> Message-ID: And let's hear it for David Bowie who scores on the Tapometer for (1) The Laughing Gnome, (2) Tin Machine, (3) Getting on his knees and reciting the Lord's Prayer at that AIDS bash (cringe). On the other hand, he does seem to be able to bounce back in a very cool fashion..... Dave From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 11:32:08 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:32:08 +0100 Subject: Re Tap factors In-Reply-To: <31B845E9.2433@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > > Somebody should sit down and work out all the different Tap factors and > create an average Tap Factor system based on raw data..... just an idea! Another Tap Factor must surely involve (1) your record company refusing to release your record because the sleeve is "offensive", (2) nobody turning up to your signing session at the record store. D From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 7 11:25:53 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:25:53 -0400 Subject: Melbournites Message-ID: >On 7 Jun 96 Andrew A. Apold wrote about Melbournites: > >> Captain Cloud, about two hours north of where I am, lives >> in Palm Bay, FL, which is effectively a suburb of >> Melbourne, Florida.... > >But Melbourne, FL doesn't have Gum Trees! Like most of Florida, it is probably smothered in Australian Pines. A huge percent of Florida's foilage is not native but introduced by people. Australian Pines are amongst the most common, and worst, despite the fact that they look nice. They dry up wetlands, and damage the Everglades immensely. The gov't spends millions trying to eradicate them from the 'glades in an effort curb their spread, but it isn't easy. . Back in the 50's, the gov't spent money airdropping Australian Pine seeds throughou t south florida in an effort to get rid of the swamps.... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Jun 7 07:33:53 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:33:53 +0000 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: > > Shit, now the wrath of 'He' weill be upon me--------------------------like it was difficult to figure out.... paul, why worry? any 10 year old could have guessed this. i honestly did. rj From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 7 10:42:42 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:42:42 +1100 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: On 7 Jun 96 Andy Gilham wrote about Re: HW: www.hawkwind.com: > >Shit, now the wrath of 'He' will be upon me > > Oops sorry Paul, I just thought it was worth a try! I didn't really expect > it to work! Not to worry, I have it on good authority that mail to the aforementioned email address is being received by the author of the page (who incidentally gets thanked by UA on all the remasters, 'coz he supplied the masters for the bonus tracks on SR) until such a time as 'He' finally gets around to having Internet access. Phew! I'm safe (except perhaps from the page's author!) I'm going to bed ... night all! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 7 11:31:51 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:31:51 -0400 Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future Message-ID: >>>From the author of the page: > >> You got in because the links are not finished yet which >> is why I ask you not to pass the address onto anyone. > >Oh dear ..... Heh. Is there a hits counter on the page? I looked pretty cool, and I didn't get any dead-end links, though I didn't try to follow them all either... It's so bloody obvious, but they'll never believe it was random chance.... I suppose this means we shouldn't put a link to it on our own pages, eh? I was halfway to submitting it to yahoo.... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 16:41:43 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:41:43 BST Subject: OFF : sig. In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:19:30 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > M Holmes writes: > > > > Stephen Swann writes: > > > > > Alan's been with him for what, 15 years? > > > > 12 this month. Wasn't his first gig the Stonehenge '84 one? > > > > > Steve > > > > Mike "Mind Your Head" Holmes > > He's listed in the liner notes for _Levitation_. Did Castle Records > screw up? I hadn't spotted that but I guess they did screw up. The folks around during Levitation were AFAIR: Brock Blake/Twink/Hayle Baker Langton Bainbridge > Steve FoFP From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 7 10:51:29 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:51:29 +1100 Subject: Melbournites Message-ID: On 7 Jun 96 Andrew A. Apold wrote about Re: Melbournites: > >But Melbourne, FL doesn't have Gum Trees! > > Like most of Florida, it is probably smothered in Australian Pines. > A huge percent of Florida's foilage is not native but introduced by > people. Australian Pines are amongst the most common, and > worst, despite the fact that they look nice. They dry up > wetlands, and damage the Everglades immensely. The gov't > spends millions trying to eradicate them from the 'glades in an > effort curb their spread, but it isn't easy. . Back in the 50's, the > gov't spent money airdropping Australian Pine seeds throughou > t south florida in an effort to get rid of the swamps.... It worked then ... good on 'em! It's reminds me of our Governments efforts to eradicate your "Prickly Pair" cactus, famous for ruining Australian farmland, not to mention the European Rabbit ... Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Jun 7 11:46:49 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:46:49 -0400 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: All you Unix-heads out there will understand this: ---------begin included text ~/11:28> finger hawkwind at io.com [io.com] Login: hawkwind Name: Hawkwind Directory: /usr/u/h/hawkwind Shell: /bin/csh Never logged in. New mail received Fri Jun 7 09:32 1996 (CDT) Unread since Thu May 16 12:30 1996 (CDT) Plan: ------------------------------------ This is Hawkwind...Do Not Panic hawkwind at io.com ----------------------------------- ~/11:30> whois io.com Illuminati Online (IO2-DOM) 2800 South I H 35, Suite 220 Austin, TX 78704-5700 US Domain Name: IO.COM Administrative Contact: Jackson, Ken (KJ26) kenjac at IO.COM (512) 462-0999 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Cloos, James (JC429) cloos at JHCLOOS.COM +1.512.462.0999 Fax +1.512.462.0356 (FAX) +1.512.462.0356 Record last updated on 07-Mar-96. Record created on 17-Aug-93. Domain servers in listed order: ILLUMINATI.IO.COM 199.170.88.10 NS2.IO.COM 199.170.88.29 NS1.TLC.NET 204.157.153.6 ---------end included text Draw your own conclusions. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Jun 7 11:49:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:49:00 EDT Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future under Construction Message-ID: >> You got in because the links are not finished yet which >> is why I ask you not to pass the address onto anyone. My browser locked up once the lyrics came up. They do use this song to finish their sets, don't they. Next time I'll save things instead of just minimizing my Word douguments, errr, documents. Rudy From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 7 10:53:10 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:53:10 +1100 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: On 7 Jun 96 SKARSOL wrote about Re: HW: www.hawkwind.com: > > > > Shit, now the wrath of 'He' weill be upon me > --------------------------like it was difficult to figure out.... > paul, why worry? any 10 year old could have guessed this. i honestly > did. And I always thought that you were older than that ;^) I'm not worried .. believe me. -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 16:46:10 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:46:10 BST Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com In-Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?='s message of Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:42:42 +1100 Message-ID: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?= writes: > On 7 Jun 96 Andy Gilham wrote about Re: HW: www.hawkwind.com: > > > >Shit, now the wrath of 'He' will be upon me > > > > Oops sorry Paul, I just thought it was worth a try! I didn't really expect > > it to work! > > Not to worry, I have it on good authority that mail to the > aforementioned email address is being received by the author of the > page (who incidentally gets thanked by UA on all the remasters, 'coz > he supplied the masters for the bonus tracks on SR) until such a time > as 'He' finally gets around to having Internet access. > > Phew! I'm safe I dunno. Obviously you should get Brock so mad that he'll fly to Australia to sort you out. Then tell 'im if he's coming anyway, the band might as well tour.... > Sonique FoFP From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Jun 7 12:47:25 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:47:25 EST Subject: HW: Alan's first HW gig Message-ID: >>> Alan's been with him for what, 15 years? >> 12 this month. Wasn't his first gig the Stonehenge '84 one? > He's listed in the liner notes for _Levitation_. Did Castle Records > screw up? (This is the Castle double CD release of Levitation/Live > 79). I thought that Stonehenge 83 was the first Davey gig? Or does the official HW 'Stonehenge 84' video document Alan's very first appearance w/HW ? Without a doubt, Alan was *not* involved with the Levitation LP. Harvey covered all the bass work, thereby earning the undying criticism from Ginger Baker. Wasn't there a comment about "the world's best drummer being fired by the world's worst bass player"? Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Jun 7 11:52:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:52:00 EDT Subject: HW: re - www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: >> "All material supplied and copyright owned by Hawkwind." > ^^^^^^^^ >Hmmmm, anyone want to take bets that their online lyrics will have >"?????"'s in places not dissimilar to our own? I'm dying to see their gig tape list. Rudy From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 16:47:56 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:47:56 BST Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future In-Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?='s message of Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:28:45 +1100 Message-ID: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?= writes: > From the author of the page: > > > You got in because the links are not finished yet which > > is why I ask you not to pass the address onto anyone. He must be new to the Web. Unfinished pages are hardly noted for being unusual. FoFP From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 7 10:58:05 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:58:05 +1100 Subject: Melbournites (and Opa Loka) Message-ID: On 7 Jun 96 cjohnson wrote about Re[2]: Melbournites (and Opa Loka): > >But Melbourne, FL doesn't have Gum Trees! > > But we do have plenty of *palm* trees, right on a (small) bay... And the sun's probably shining at the moment too :( > Every once in a while I hear about some "sister city" event that > involves both Melbourne FL and Melbourne Oz. Apparently someone > else has already noticed the similarity in names... :-) Well, I've heard of Melbourne FL. When I was in the states three years ago, I was asked if I was from England. When I said Melbourne, this guy said "strange accent for someone from Florida" ... and he was *serious*!!! In any case, 'sister cities' seem to be all the rag ethese days. Melbourne FL may think they are our sister city, but it's actually Osaka, Japan! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 16:52:54 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:52:54 BST Subject: HW: Alan's first HW gig In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:47:25 EST Message-ID: cjohnson writes: > > I thought that Stonehenge 83 was the first Davey gig? Or does the > official HW 'Stonehenge 84' video document Alan's very first > appearance w/HW ? Harvey was definitely at Stonehenge in 1983. FoFP From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 7 11:01:07 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 02:01:07 +1100 Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future Message-ID: On 7 Jun 96 Andrew A. Apold wrote about Re: HW: Welcome to the Future: > random chance.... I suppose this means we shouldn't put a link to > it on our own pages, eh? I was halfway to submitting it to yahoo.... Hmmm ... perhaps visiting Submit It! b4 bed isn't such a hot idea after all ..... (and this time I am going) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Jun 7 12:03:34 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:03:34 -0400 Subject: Melbournites (and Opa Loka) Message-ID: In a message dated 07/06/96 15:29:48, you write: > Speaking of cities in Florida, I want to refer back to the HW > Trivia discussion. There is a city in FL called "Opa Loka", but I > have never believed in a relationship between it and the HW song. > Beyond coincidence, is anyone aware of HW even knowing the city > exists? There must be a more likely explanation for the title... > (as he carefully tries to steer back on topic). The town is actually Opa-Locka, with a "c". the Obligatory Hawkwind Spelling Error convinces me it really is what they meant :). Who knows, did they tour anywhere near there? They might have just seen the name on a map when getting hopelessly lost and thought it sounded cool... But now someone's going to tell me about Magnu, Alabama :)) - Andy From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Jun 7 12:04:31 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:04:31 -0400 Subject: Melbournites (and Opa Loka) In-Reply-To: <9606071125.A17336@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Jun 7, 96 11:25:38 am Message-ID: Cap'n tells us... > Speaking of cities in Florida, I want to refer back to the HW > Trivia discussion. There is a city in FL called "Opa Loka", but I > have never believed in a relationship between it and the HW song. > Beyond coincidence, is anyone aware of HW even knowing the city > exists? There must be a more likely explanation for the title... > (as he carefully tries to steer back on topic). I thought it was spelled differently...like Opa-Locka, or something. But I too wondered about this. What is it supposed to mean, anyway?? Either the city or the song?? Keith H. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Jun 7 12:05:48 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:05:48 -0400 Subject: HW: Alan's first HW gig In-Reply-To: <9606071652.aa05344@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jun 7, 96 04:52:54 pm Message-ID: FoFP writes... > > cjohnson writes: > > > > I thought that Stonehenge 83 was the first Davey gig? Or does the > > official HW 'Stonehenge 84' video document Alan's very first > > appearance w/HW ? > > Harvey was definitely at Stonehenge in 1983. Who's Harvey Davey??? :) Keith H. (FAA) From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 13:08:04 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:08:04 +0000 Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future Message-ID: Just tell him we looked it up at inter-nic where he registered it ! Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Jun 7 12:09:27 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:09:27 -0400 Subject: HW: hawkwind.io.com Message-ID: Incidentally, there's no one by the name of Brock at the site, and no one called "Dave" who seems like a likely candidate. There *is* a "davey" whose GCOS field, amusingly enough, is "Metalhead", but my gut instinct tells me that's not Alan. ;-) The actual hawkwind at io.com address is probably just read by either the web designer, or possibly someone who works for EMI. It's probably *not* Doug Smith, in any case, so there's no need to mailbomb or ping-storm the site. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jun 7 12:17:14 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:17:14 +0200 Subject: Melbournites (and Opa Loka) Message-ID: >> Speaking of cities in Florida, I want to refer back to the HW >> Trivia discussion. There is a city in FL called "Opa Loka", but I >> have never believed in a relationship between it and the HW song. >> Beyond coincidence, is anyone aware of HW even knowing the city >> exists? There must be a more likely explanation for the title... >> (as he carefully tries to steer back on topic). > >The town is actually Opa-Locka, with a "c". the Obligatory Hawkwind Spelling >Error convinces me it really is what they meant :). Who knows, did they tour >anywhere near there? They might have just seen the name on a map when >getting hopelessly lost and thought it sounded cool... But now someone's >going to tell me about Magnu, Alabama :)) No - Magno, Alabama! - as spelled on the UA vinyl label... ;0) >- Andy \\joe From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 18:43:05 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:43:05 BST Subject: HW: Alan's first HW gig In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:47:25 EST Message-ID: cjohnson writes: > >>> Alan's been with him for what, 15 years? > > >> 12 this month. Wasn't his first gig the Stonehenge '84 one? > > > He's listed in the liner notes for _Levitation_. Did Castle Records > > screw up? (This is the Castle double CD release of Levitation/Live > > 79). > > I thought that Stonehenge 83 was the first Davey gig? Or does the > official HW 'Stonehenge 84' video document Alan's very first > appearance w/HW ? Does the Stonehenge '84 video show the Stonehenge '84 show? With all the mis-attributions drifting around for those gigs I'm getting a bit confused here. There were (I think) 3 appearances in 1984 including Snorkwind one of which featured Alan Davey on his first appearance - probably 'cos he was about the only one left awake by then 8-) > Without a doubt, Alan was *not* involved with the Levitation LP. > Harvey covered all the bass work, thereby earning the undying > criticism from Ginger Baker. Wasn't there a comment about "the > world's best drummer being fired by the world's worst bass player"? > Yeah - I've read that too - and, frankly, by Palace Springs and Back in the Box I was feeling a tad sympathetic towards it - oops! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stayer at PI.NET Fri Jun 7 21:18:00 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:18:00 PDT Subject: OFF: Etymology Message-ID: Paul, >> [ OFF: You know that "Yankees" is derived from two very common Dutch names, >> "Jan" (a bit like John) and "Kees" (comparable to Charles)? ] >Once, a Mexican friend of mine explained to me how the word "gringo" came >about. :-) Well, what was the story? Jerry From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jun 7 14:17:47 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:17:47 -0400 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com In-Reply-To: <199606071546.LAA14445@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: Steve wrote: > All you Unix-heads out there will understand this: > > ---------begin included text > ~/11:28> finger hawkwind at io.com [...] > ~/11:30> whois io.com > Illuminati Online (IO2-DOM) > 2800 South I H 35, Suite 220 > Austin, TX 78704-5700 > US > > Domain Name: IO.COM > > Administrative Contact: > Jackson, Ken (KJ26) kenjac at IO.COM > (512) 462-0999 > Draw your own conclusions. ;-) Well, Illuminati Online was the name of the BBS run by Steve Jackson Games that was raided by the FBI as part of "Operation Sundevil" all those years ago. I guess they've developed into an ISP arm since then. Maybe the clash with the FBI is what attracted the-nameless-representatives- of-Hawkwind (e.g. DC Web Designs:) to use them as an ISP instead of a UK-based company like, say, Demon Internet or Pipex (which, you'd think would make more sense, logistics-wise). It makes me wonder, actually, how much direct input the band have in this, or whether it is just a product of the EMI publicity arm. I mean, the WWW page contents are concerned solely with promoting the remasters so far (plus a little plugging for EBS). Anyway, to add to Steve's info, here is a tiny bit more (e.g. IP addresses, etc.), included at the end. Again, "Unix heads" will be able to figure this out... Cheers, Paul. PS: The serial entry for the hawkwind.com domain would indicate that it was registered in the DNS on the 30th April, 1996. Tsk, tsk, and it took us over a month to sniff this out. ;-) PPS: I always thought the lyrics were "Welcome to the self-POLICED parade" obCD: Sundial, _Acid Yantra_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- csgrad.cs.vt.edu> nslookup Default Server: vtopus.cs.vt.edu Address: 128.173.40.24 > set q=any > www.hawkwind.com Server: vtopus.cs.vt.edu Address: 128.173.40.24 Non-authoritative answer: www.hawkwind.com canonical name = hawkwind.io.com Authoritative answers can be found from: HAWKWIND.com nameserver = ILLUMINATI.IO.com HAWKWIND.com nameserver = NS1.TLC.NET ILLUMINATI.IO.com inet address = 199.170.88.10 NS1.TLC.NET inet address = 204.157.153.6 > lserver ILLUMINATI.IO.com Default Server: ILLUMINATI.IO.com Address: 199.170.88.10 > hawkwind.io.com Server: ILLUMINATI.IO.com Address: 199.170.88.10 hawkwind.io.com preference = 20, mail exchanger = deliverator.io.com hawkwind.io.com inet address = 199.170.88.218 io.com nameserver = ns1.io.com io.com nameserver = ns2.io.com io.com nameserver = ns3.io.com deliverator.io.com inet address = 199.170.88.17 ns1.io.com inet address = 199.170.88.10 ns2.io.com inet address = 199.170.88.29 ns3.io.com inet address = 204.157.155.5 > hawkwind.com Server: ILLUMINATI.IO.com Address: 199.170.88.10 hawkwind.com nameserver = illuminati.io.com hawkwind.com nameserver = ns1.tlc.net hawkwind.com preference = 10, mail exchanger = deliverator.io.com hawkwind.com origin = illuminati.io.com mail addr = cloos.io.com serial=96043000, refresh=10800, retry=3600, expire=604800, min=86400 hawkwind.com nameserver = illuminati.io.com hawkwind.com nameserver = ns1.tlc.net illuminati.io.com inet address = 199.170.88.10 ns1.tlc.net inet address = 204.157.153.6 deliverator.io.com inet address = 199.170.88.17 > ^D csgrad.cs.vt.edu> From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Fri Jun 7 14:39:15 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 19:39:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock and/or Turner Message-ID: And I thought I was the only person in the world that had ever tried to argue that Hawkwind are punk! That's different to punk *rock* of course, but I've still never succeeded in convincing anyone yet! Dave > >I thought that HW from the very start were in many ways a punk band (and >so do many of its members - including Nik of course)... Stuff like Urban >Guerilla, Brainbox Pollution, even Days of The Underground are relevant >examples of this attitude. Simple heavy riffing music with a socially >concious and rebellious attitude. Dave Wyndorf of Monster Magnet also >mentioned this in a interview, and I believe Brock once said during the >early years that HW were "urban music for urban kids". Of course HW have >given birth to/hung out with what I consider punk bands (Motorhead, >Inner City Unit, Pink Fairies).... > > >Christian > > From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Jun 7 15:46:56 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:46:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Need HUGE Favor Message-ID: Would it be possible for someone to forward me the last 80 or so messages posted to BOC-L? My computer received a slap, re-booted, and when I went back to my mail file, all was gone... Thanks. Chuck From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 7 14:45:46 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:45:46 -0400 Subject: Melbournites (and Opa Loka) Message-ID: >Cap'n tells us... > >> Speaking of cities in Florida, I want to refer back to the HW >> Trivia discussion. There is a city in FL called "Opa Loka", but I >> have never believed in a relationship between it and the HW song. >> Beyond coincidence, is anyone aware of HW even knowing the city >> exists? There must be a more likely explanation for the title... >> (as he carefully tries to steer back on topic). > >I thought it was spelled differently...like Opa-Locka, or something. But I too >wondered about this. What is it supposed to mean, anyway?? Either the city or >the song?? It is spelled with a "C". It is a commonly used airport in northern Miami, especially on local flights or by people travelling north out of the city who wish to avoid the lovely area near Miami International Airport, ("MIA")... Maybe the Hawks flew into Miami via that airport once? +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 7 14:45:43 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:45:43 -0400 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: >Illuminati Online (IO2-DOM) > 2800 South I H 35, Suite 220 > Austin, TX 78704-5700 > US Thats the server run by Steve Jackson Games, who market their illuminati card game, car wars, Gurps, and other similar gaming products. They were the ones who gained some noteriety awhile back by being raided by the U.S. Gov't who thought their "hacker" book (fiction/gaming supplement) was not fiction, and won a lawsuit over it... They have collaborated with Origin Systems in the past before, who once placed a seer named "Hawkwind" in one of their Ultima games. Coincidence? +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From stayer at PI.NET Fri Jun 7 23:21:45 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 20:21:45 PDT Subject: OFF: umlauts Message-ID: >> >> One particular BOC-Tap connection: I always liked the similarity between >> >> the gothicky-type script on the cover of OYFOOYK and on Spinal Tap - and >> >> Spinal Tap also used an umlaut!! >> >Yeah, but so does Motorhead and (ugh) Motley Crue... any others? >> Husker Du? >Green Jello Silly Dutch band called Trockener Kecks (dry cookies or something). Umlaut on the O. Jerry From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 7 16:31:36 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 21:31:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: umlauts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Jerry writes >>> >> Spinal Tap also used an umlaut!! >>> >Yeah, but so does Motorhead and (ugh) Motley Crue... any others? >>> Husker Du? >>Green Jello >Silly Dutch band called Trockener Kecks (dry cookies or something). Umlaut on >the O. > >Jerry Die Totenhosen (The Dead Trousers?):) -- Jon Browne From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 7 22:50:24 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 22:50:24 BST Subject: Langtree In-Reply-To: Stephen Lindsey's message of Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:23:40 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Lindsey writes: > Langtree Festival contact: Alex Duncan of Stapleton Farm > Tel. 01805 601335 > > I was away for a week there, did I miss a data announcement for this ? > (I assume HW are playing ?) Yep - Hawkwind are apparently playing at an open air festival here. Still trying to find out some details. Nice area for a camping expedition tho' even if the band aren't playing and I guess we could all pay Brock a visit (his farm is nearby) and offer to help out on his next recording venture........ jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Fri Jun 7 20:14:56 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:14:56 +0100 Subject: BOC: Goldmine/UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reply to Hardman DK about Re: BOC: Goldmine/UK >Perhaps we should be grateful that nothing came of the pre-BOC line-ups, >otherwise we might have TV footage of Les Braunstein, Buck et al in 60's >suits and hairdos against psychedelic backdrops......factors that send >the TAP factor through the ceiling :) >Dave Ah... Status Quo I believe. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk " A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window" From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Fri Jun 7 20:39:31 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:39:31 +0100 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reply to Paul Mather about Re: HW: www.hawkwind.com >PS: The serial entry for the hawkwind.com domain would indicate that it >was registered in the DNS on the 30th April, 1996. Tsk, tsk, and it took >us over a month to sniff this out. ;-) I've just been to the site and figure it's a reasonable start. It says constructed and last updated on the 7(?) June so there probably hasn't been anything there till then. By the way, is it just my system or are the pic's on the site placed in strange places? Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk " A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window" From dahl at MAIL.AROS.NET Sat Jun 8 02:48:27 1996 From: dahl at MAIL.AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:48:27 -0600 Subject: BOC: SLC concert review Message-ID: The first time I saw BOC was in 1975 at the Long Beach Sports Arena. Kansas and Ted Nugent were the warm up acts. From that moment on I was a fan for life. Now, 21 years later I see them in a club with probably just over 200 other fans (the show was poorly advertised, I'd never even heard of this club until the night before the show). I had great seats, center stage about 20 feet away (about 7 meters for you non-US fans). I was afraid that the small crowd would affect the boys performance, but no way. These guys came to rock, and rock they did. The PA sucked and for most of the show the vocals were weak and muddled, but the incredible musicianship made up for it. The set wasn't much different from last years tour (I was hoping that they'd changed it up more than they had) and went as follows: 1. Stairway to the Stars 2. Dr. Music 3. OD'd on Life Itself 4. ETI 5. Harvest Moon 6. Before the Kiss 7. I'd Like to See You in Black 8. Buck's Boogie 9. Teen Archer 10. Cities on Flame 11. Last Days of May 12. In Thee (including an "acoustic" blues intro) 13. Lips in the Hills 14. Burnin' for You 15. Godzilla (with bass and drum solos) 16. Don't Fear the Reaper Encore: 17. Dominance and Submission 18. The Red and the Black Eric made his annual comments about a new album coming out. He said "maybe next February or March", then said the next song will be on it and they played Harvest Moon. I don't recall them playing this song in the past. It was a pretty good tune sung by Buck and featured Allen Lanier playing the main lead guitar section. It's nice they're letting him play more lead. The song also had an extended jamming section where Buck really tore it up on lead. They also played I'd Like to See You in Black which they played on the last tour. It's a very rockin' tune with Eric singing the lead. He said it also would be on the new album. Lips in the Hills was great. It's the first time I've seen them play it live. I was admitted to the hospital on the day of the Cultasaurus show in LA, so I never got to see them perform any songs from that album. In Thee was also a new addition to the show. It was a semi-unplugged version that featured Allen on acoustic guitar. They started it with a blues jam that had Allen playing lead on the acoustic. It was an OK version of the song, although I think it could've used some percussion. This was the first time I'd seen the new drummer and bass player. The drummer (John O'Reilly) was very good. His playing fit the songs very well. The bass player (Danny Maranda) was also good, but his playing was kind of lost in the songs. His sound was very muted and didn't stand out at all. He reminded me a bit of Uncle Fester with hair. Eric's singing was great (what you could hear) and he showed that playing the guitar for over 20 years can really pay off! He had a great tone. (I really do miss him hitting the cymbals at the end of Cities on Flame though). He looked pretty good for an old guy. It's amazing how much he and Eddie Van Halen look alike now they've cut their hair (I miss the big 'fro). Buck was unbelievable. It was one of the best shows I'd ever seen him play. He hit everything and was non-stop amazing. He also was looking very good. Now Allen is another story. He looked old enough to be in the Rolling Stones! His playing was great. He is truly an exceptional keyboard player and his guitar work would easily make him the lead guitarist in most bands you'd hear on the radio nowadays. The guys rocked hard and displayed incredible musicianmanship. Usually when you see bands at this point in their career it's like trying to go back and not get there. These guys are still playing like there's a future. This is no washed up band playing their greatist hits. I really hope the new album becomes a reality. In a world where bands do an album and tour every 4-5 years, it's refreshing to see these guys touring every year and tearing the place up when they do it. If they come near your town, DON'T MISS IT! This is a living piece of Rock n Roll history. There is no other band like them. Brad Dahl From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Jun 8 03:53:45 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 02:53:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: umlauts Message-ID: On 7-JUN-1996 16:19:31.7 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >>> >> One particular BOC-Tap connection: I always liked the similarity >between >>> >> the gothicky-type script on the cover of OYFOOYK and on Spinal >Tap - and >>> >> Spinal Tap also used an umlaut!! >>> >Yeah, but so does Motorhead and (ugh) Motley Crue... any others? >>> Husker Du? >>Green Jello >Silly Dutch band called Trockener Kecks (dry cookies or something). >Umlaut on >the O. The Accused, a hardcore-thrash band, with an umlaut over the "u". Chuck `[1;37;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Jun 8 03:35:15 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 09:35:15 +0200 Subject: the Calvert site is on-line Message-ID: >Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 07:34:13 +0200 >X-Sender: videofest at mediopolis.de >To: b.pospiech at pop.ruhr.de >From: videofest at mediopolis.de (VideoFest Berlin) >Subject: the Calvert site is on-line > >Hallo Bernhard, > >eine etwas standardisierte message, daher auf englisch.... > >this is to let you know that an extensive site on Robert Calvert is on-line. >This is it`s URL: > >http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/welcome.htm > >I hope you`ll find some time to check it out soon and send me some comments >on it - any additions and ideas are appreciated. >If possible watch these pages with all images and backgrounds. > >I`d be very grateful if you would place a link to this site on your own >homepage and spread the news about it to anyone who might be interested in it. > >Thanks and all the best, > >Knut Gerwers >VideoFest >Mediopolis Berlin e.V. >Potsdamer Strasse 96 >D-10785 Berlin >Phone *49 30 262 87 14 >Fax *49 30 262 87 13 >videofest at mediopolis.de >http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ > > > From hdboc at TELEVAR.COM Sat Jun 8 04:14:46 1996 From: hdboc at TELEVAR.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:14:46 -0700 Subject: BOC web site Message-ID: Hello fellow cultomaniacs. I just want to invite you to visit my web site at http://j-and-a.com/boc.html Tanx, Jack From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sat Jun 8 06:24:42 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 12:24:42 +0200 Subject: OFF: umlauts Message-ID: >>> >> Spinal Tap also used an umlaut!! >>> >Yeah, but so does Motorhead and (ugh) Motley Crue... any others? >>> Husker Du? >>Green Jello >Silly Dutch band called Trockener Kecks (dry cookies or something). Umlaut on >the O. > >Jerry > ...and there was a HM band in the 80's called Trojan which used an umlaut on the O. The result is really silly if you know Swedish. Right Carl?! -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Jun 8 08:49:45 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 22:49:45 +1000 Subject: Melbournites (and Opa Loka) In-Reply-To: <199606071553.BAA14641@uluru.ozonline.com.au> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?= wrote: > On 7 Jun 96 cjohnson wrote about Re[2]: Melbournites (and Opa Loka): > > > >But Melbourne, FL doesn't have Gum Trees! > > > > But we do have plenty of *palm* trees, right on a (small) bay... > > And the sun's probably shining at the moment too :( > > > Every once in a while I hear about some "sister city" event that > > involves both Melbourne FL and Melbourne Oz. Apparently someone > > else has already noticed the similarity in names... :-) > > Well, I've heard of Melbourne FL. When I was in the states three > years ago, I was asked if I was from England. When I said Melbourne, > this guy said "strange accent for someone from Florida" ... and he > was *serious*!!! In any case, 'sister cities' seem to be all the rag > ethese days. Melbourne FL may think they are our sister city, but > it's actually Osaka, Japan! > > Sonique > I thought it was Boston, Mass. US of A. Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Jun 8 09:07:14 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 23:07:14 +1000 Subject: OFF: Need HUGE Favor In-Reply-To: <01I5MQ5L3NKI90P31X@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jun 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > Would it be possible for someone to forward me the last 80 or > so messages posted to BOC-L? My computer received a slap, > re-booted, and when I went back to my mail file, all was > gone... > Thanks. > > Chuck > Let's ALL do it! >:) (just goofin') I would help if I knew how. I am a beginner with an antique PC. Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Jun 8 09:36:50 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 23:36:50 +1000 Subject: BOC: SLC concert review In-Reply-To: <199606080719.BAA02643@mailhub.aros.net> Message-ID: Dear Brad, You are one lucky fella. Boc have never toured Aust., and probably never will. But if they do, I know at least 12 guys will turn up. If we bring our wives and kids we would probably fill up my lounge room. Troy H. From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Jun 8 09:46:52 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 23:46:52 +1000 Subject: OFF: umlauts In-Reply-To: <199606081024.MAA27923@mcfs1.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > > ...and there was a HM band in the 80's called Trojan which used an umlaut > on the O. > The result is really silly if you know Swedish. Right Carl?! > > -Daniel > > "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) > Kare Daniel, Papegoja eller papegojsjuka? Troy Harris Melbourne Australia (jag laser svenska vid universtitet!) From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Sat Jun 8 14:32:26 1996 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:32:26 GMT Subject: HW: Brock and/or Turner Message-ID: In message ID <199606071839.TAA12184 at easynet.co.uk> on 7/06/96, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion L wrote: BDL> . Of course HW have BDL> >given birth to/hung out with what I consider punk bands (Motorhead, BDL> >Inner City Unit, Pink Fairies).... BDL> > BDL> > Right, most people - of those I know - who enjoy hardcore & punk,have heard about HW, by the ICU relation, Nik's punkadelic attitude and music in the 80's... - via Holy Galactic Imperium From mumford at EUNET.NO Sat Jun 8 16:12:25 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 22:12:25 +0200 Subject: OFF: umlauts Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > > "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) > Selfolgelig vet jeg hva det betyr! Men jeg skal ikke si det til noen.... Christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Sat Jun 8 16:16:39 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 22:16:39 +0200 Subject: Re Tap factors Message-ID: Hardman DK wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > Somebody should sit down and work out all the different Tap factors and > > create an average Tap Factor system based on raw data..... just an idea! > > Another Tap Factor must surely involve (1) your record company refusing > to release your record because the sleeve is "offensive", (2) nobody > turning up to your signing session at the record store. I always wondered if if Metallica's all black cover on "Metallica" was a tribute to Spinal Tap..... I forgot to mention the band that's been most Tap in the shortest period of time: The Cult ! They deserve an 11 for their efforts. Christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Sat Jun 8 16:18:12 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 22:18:12 +0200 Subject: Re Tap factors Message-ID: Hardman DK wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > Somebody should sit down and work out all the different Tap factors and > > create an average Tap Factor system based on raw data..... just an idea! > > Another Tap Factor must surely involve (1) your record company refusing > to release your record because the sleeve is "offensive", (2) nobody > turning up to your signing session at the record store. Ooops. Jane's Addiction gets a Tap factor for the ridiculous cover-cencor in the US on Ritual De Lo Habitual....... Christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Sat Jun 8 17:05:21 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 23:05:21 +0200 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack Message-ID: Are these albums availible on CD? If searched for years with no luck.... Christian From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Jun 8 17:23:46 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 23:23:46 +0200 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack Message-ID: At 23:05 1996-06-08 +0200, you wrote: >Are these albums availible on CD? If searched for years with no luck.... nope. there's a dude in UK who's got the rights to those albums, and han har inte f?tt tummen ur gumpen, om man s?ger som s?. better not translate the latter half of that sentence; I've worked *too* much last 48 hrs :0\ do you got the vinyl? >Christian \\joe ObLP: Robin Trower "Victims of the Fury" From mumford at EUNET.NO Sat Jun 8 17:32:54 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Trogg) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 23:32:54 +0200 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack Message-ID: Johan Edlundh wrote: > > do you got the vinyl? > Nei, jeg har ikke platespiller lengre! Does anybody feel like making me copies? I'll pay, of course........or I could trade some live Monster Magnet/Doors/Sisters of Mercy tapes...... Christian From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sat Jun 8 16:32:11 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 16:32:11 -0400 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: <31B9EB11.696C@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jun 8, 96 11:05:21 pm Message-ID: Christian says-- > Are these albums availible on CD? If searched for years with no luck.... I'm not up on the latest rumors as to if and when these will be released on CD, but they're not out yet. It's a pity, because they're both excellent albums (IMHO). I believe some tracks from both albums are available on a compilation (Angels of Death?). Your best bet is to prowl around the used LP stores (which may, or may not, be common in Norway :-) ). They sure are rare here in Virginia. :-P Guido obSOUNDSCAPES--Radiophonics by Robert Fripp obCDplayer--Down on the Upside by Soundgarden obSAMEol'SAMEol'--Load by Metallica obJUVENILEbandMEMBERphotos--Load by Metallica (aren't these guys too old for that kind of "we're tough street scum" posturing?) -- The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The Name that can be named is not the eternal Name. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sat Jun 8 17:41:06 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 17:41:06 -0400 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: <31B9EB11.696C@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jun 8, 96 11:05:21 pm Message-ID: Christian asks.... > > Are these albums availible on CD? If searched for years with no luck.... No...but there is supposed to be some effort going on to get them put out on CD in the near future. A guy named Kingsley (something) at Rockfield Studios in Gwent is in control of these masters, and according to Rob Godwin (last April), he (Kingsley) was hoping to have them put out on a new CD label of his own, and then allow Griffin to release them simultaneously here (yeah, right!). But he (Godwin) was of the opinion that Kingsley was notorious for dragging his feet on such matters....no wonder he's been involved with Hawkwind for so long... :) Of course, a couple of the tracks have been obtained specially for things like the box set, but who knows when the full albums will come about? Keith H. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sat Jun 8 18:36:47 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:36:47 -0400 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack Message-ID: Keith said >A guy named Kingsley (something) at Rockfield Studios in >Gwent is in control of these masters, Ah, that'll be the same Kingsley who once emptied a tin of orange paint over Foghat's brand new Jensen... - Andy From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sat Jun 8 21:44:25 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 21:44:25 -0400 Subject: HW: hawkwind.com In-Reply-To: <9606071125.A17336@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Jun 7, 96 11:25:38 am Message-ID: Hi Folks.... Does this look weird to anyone else??? (From the files of www.hawkwind.com)... You Shouldn't Do That 4.55 (Brock/Turner) You Know You're Only Dreaming 3.30 (Brock) Master Of The Universe 8.01 (Brock/Turner) We Took The Wrong Step Years Ago 1.12 (Brock) Adjust Me 4.10 (Hawkwind) Children Of The Sun 10.44 (Anderson/Turner) Seven By Seven 6.59 (Brock) ++ Silver Machine 3.16 (Calvert/Macmanus) ++ Born To Go 5.02 (Calvert/Brock) ++ Is it printed this way on the EMI Remaster liner notes??? Or the disc itself? Just wondering. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sat Jun 8 22:08:36 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 22:08:36 -0400 Subject: HW: hawkwind.com In-Reply-To: <199606090144.VAA21513@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at Jun 8, 96 09:44:25 pm Message-ID: I said... > > Hi Folks.... > > Does this look weird to anyone else??? > (From the files of www.hawkwind.com)... > > You Shouldn't Do That 4.55 (Brock/Turner) > You Know You're Only Dreaming 3.30 (Brock) > Master Of The Universe 8.01 (Brock/Turner) > We Took The Wrong Step Years Ago 1.12 (Brock) > Adjust Me 4.10 (Hawkwind) > Children Of The Sun 10.44 (Anderson/Turner) > Seven By Seven 6.59 (Brock) ++ > Silver Machine 3.16 (Calvert/Macmanus) ++ > Born To Go 5.02 (Calvert/Brock) ++ > > Is it printed this way on the EMI Remaster liner notes??? Or the disc itself > > Just wondering. > I now realise that these song lengths are from the 1st LP and they're used for all five CD-track listings in the new home page. Plus, as someone else has noticed, half the photos/pictures are placed in the wrong spot, either covering up other info, or off the side of the screen (well, mine anyway). Personally, I think they should leave it this way, as it's the kind of idiot mistakes we associate with Hawkwind releases. :) Keith H. (FAA) ObMisprint: Danny Thomas Jr. - Drums ObCD: Psychedelic Paradise Live '94 - Marble Sheep P.S. What is really that line from 'Welcome'??? I take it that 'South Police Parade' (I know I've seen this in some 'official' Hawkwind lyrics) is incorrect....but is it 'self police' or 'self-policed' ?? ^ From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sun Jun 9 03:05:16 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:05:16 +1000 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: <31B9EB11.696C@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > Are these albums availible on CD? If searched for years with no luck.... > > Christian > Dear Christian, Yes they are. Up until recently the only major release that was unavailable on CD was "Warrior .." I suppose you will have to order them. Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sun Jun 9 03:08:18 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:08:18 +1000 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: <31B9F186.4740@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Trogg wrote: > Johan Edlundh wrote: > > > > > do you got the vinyl? > > Nei, jeg har ikke platespiller lengre! Does anybody feel like making me > copies? I'll pay, of course........or I could trade some live Monster > Magnet/Doors/Sisters of Mercy tapes...... > > Christian > Dear Christian, Var bor du? No problem. Troy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sun Jun 9 05:18:47 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 05:18:47 -0400 Subject: HW: hawkwind.com Message-ID: In a message dated 09/06/96 02:09:23, you write: >I now realise that these song lengths are from the 1st LP and they're used >for >all five CD-track listings in the new home page. Plus, as someone else has >noticed, half the photos/pictures are placed in the wrong spot, either >covering >up other info, or off the side of the screen (well, mine anyway). Why not write them at Star_Rats at ... re: the track lengths? I must say I thought the layout was really good - in fact I went so far as to look at the source to see how they'd done it! I take it you're not using Netscape 2.0? (I didn't look at *every* page, though.) BTW, I remembered Kingsley's last name, it's Ward. (Any relation to Sonique, I wonder? :) - Andy From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 9 04:48:09 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:48:09 +1100 Subject: HW: Calvert WWW Tribute Message-ID: Hi all, Knut Gerwers Calvert Tribute is up! The URL is http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ ... check it out! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 9 04:56:01 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:56:01 +1100 Subject: HW: hawkwind.io.com Message-ID: On 7 Jun 96 Stephen Swann wrote about HW: hawkwind.io.com: > The actual hawkwind at io.com address is probably just read by either > the web designer, or possibly someone who works for EMI. It's > probably *not* Doug Smith, in any case, so there's no need to > mailbomb or ping-storm the site. ;-) It, and Star_rats at hawkwind.com, go to the Web designer at present .... until 'He' gets an email account ... Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 9 07:32:58 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:32:58 +0100 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com In-Reply-To: <9606071608.aa24495@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jun 7, 96 04:08:16 pm Message-ID: > > "All material supplied and copyright owned by Hawkwind." > > Hmmmm, anyone want to take bets that their online lyrics will have > "?????"'s in places not dissimilar to our own? Can we counter-sue them for suing us for writing down the lyrics? :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 9 07:35:44 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:35:44 +0100 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com In-Reply-To: <9606071608.aa24495@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jun 7, 96 04:08:16 pm Message-ID: > > "All material supplied and copyright owned by Hawkwind." > > ^^^^^^^^ > > Hmmmm, anyone want to take bets that their online lyrics will have > "?????"'s in places not dissimilar to our own? On the other hand, perhaps this now entitles list members to claim they are part of Hawkwind! :) So now I can tour as Carl Anderson's Hawkwind after all (having only one less original member than the real Hawkwind :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 9 07:43:35 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:43:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: umlauts In-Reply-To: <199606081024.MAA27923@mcfs1.mc.hik.se> from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Jun 8, 96 12:24:42 pm Message-ID: > ...and there was a HM band in the 80's called Trojan which used an umlaut= > =20 > on the O. > The result is really silly if you know Swedish. Right Carl?! Oh dear .... :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 9 07:51:21 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:51:21 +0100 Subject: Re Tap factors In-Reply-To: <31B9DFA7.F41@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jun 8, 96 10:16:39 pm Message-ID: > I always wondered if if Metallica's all black cover on "Metallica" was a > tribute to Spinal Tap..... Whether or not they intended it to be, there are film clips of them receiving the proofs for the cover and turning to the camera grinning to announce '"None more black!"' ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 9 07:54:48 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:54:48 +0100 Subject: Langtree In-Reply-To: <9606072250.aa19760@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Jun 7, 96 10:50:24 pm Message-ID: > > Langtree Festival contact: Alex Duncan of Stapleton Farm > > Tel. 01805 601335 > > > > I was away for a week there, did I miss a data announcement for this ? > > (I assume HW are playing ?) > > Yep - Hawkwind are apparently playing at an open air festival here. > Still trying to find out some details. Nice area for a camping > expedition tho' even if the band aren't playing and I guess we could > all pay Brock a visit (his farm is nearby) and offer to help out on > his next recording venture........ Not as outrageously far-fetched as it seems ;) Brock hates people randomly showing up, but according to Chris Bruce really loves playing the host if his visitors are booked in advance. ArcMet jammed with HW and the farm when they were visiting the UK. It's a pity Chris isn't still on the list, or we might be able to arrange a group field trip :) Maybe when Scott H. gets back he can contact Chris about it--has about a 1% chance of working but what the hell :) Heck, I've got my guitar--it'd be fun to jam with HW :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 9 07:56:53 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:56:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock and/or Turner [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: <199606071839.TAA12184@easynet.co.uk> from "gingoblin@EASYNET.CO.UK" at Jun 7, 96 07:39:15 pm Message-ID: > And I thought I was the only person in the world that had ever tried to > argue that Hawkwind are punk! That's different to punk *rock* of course, but > I've still never succeeded in convincing anyone yet! This actually isn't a totally uncommon identification. One of the guidebooks to punk music (Trouser Press?) has a reasonably decent section on Hawkwind. The begin by saying (rough quote): Hawkwind have often been considered offensive merely for existing, and if that isn't punk, we don't know what is! :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sun Jun 9 07:20:36 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 07:20:36 -0400 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: from "Troy Harris" at Jun 9, 96 05:05:16 pm Message-ID: Troy sez-- > On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > Are these albums availible on CD? If searched for years with no luck.... > Yes they are. Up until recently the only major release that was > unavailable on CD was "Warrior .." I suppose you will have to order them. They've never been released on CD (unless you know something we don't!). Also, Warrior was out on CD well before Church of Hawkwind (one of the three RCA Active albums). By the way, if you guys are going to speak Swedish, could you provide subtitles? :-) Guido -- The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The Name that can be named is not the eternal Name. From chriss at MDC.NET Sun Jun 9 04:09:17 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 09:09:17 +0100 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: >Just on a whim, I tried the above... > >:) I can't believe that with all the activity on this list, the above has only been hit 17 times as of today (6/9/96)!!! From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sun Jun 9 09:26:29 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:26:29 +1000 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: <9606091120.AA19097@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Guido Vacano wrote: > Troy sez-- > > > On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > Are these albums availible on CD? If searched for years with no luck.... > > > Yes they are. Up until recently the only major release that was > > unavailable on CD was "Warrior .." I suppose you will have to order them. > > They've never been released on CD (unless you know something we don't!). > Also, Warrior was out on CD well before Church of Hawkwind (one of the > three RCA Active albums).> > By the way, if you guys are going to speak Swedish, could you provide > subtitles? :-) > Sorry to hassel you Guido, but my brother has them on CD. He has since told me that they are no longer available. He can't remember the name of the company that he get them from. I'll see if I can get more info next time I see him. Troy From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 9 08:44:12 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:44:12 +1100 Subject: Melbournites (and Opa Loka) Message-ID: On 8 Jun 96 Troy Harris wrote about Re: Re[2]: Melbournites (and Opa Lo: > > ethese days. Melbourne FL may think they are our sister city, but > > it's actually Osaka, Japan! > > > > Sonique > > > I thought it was Boston, Mass. US of A. > Troy Well, perhaps it's a big family? Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 9 08:44:12 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:44:12 +1100 Subject: OFF: umlauts Message-ID: On 8 Jun 96 Christian Mumford wrote about Re: OFF: umlauts: > Selfolgelig vet jeg hva det betyr! Men jeg skal ikke si det til noen.... Isn't there a Bork.Bork.Bork-l mailing list somewhere? ;^) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 9 08:44:12 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:44:12 +1100 Subject: HW: hawkwind.com Message-ID: On 9 Jun 96 Andy Gilham wrote about Re: HW: hawkwind.com: > BTW, I remembered Kingsley's last name, it's Ward. (Any relation to Sonique, > I wonder? :) If he was, we would have all had SA and CyM CD's years ago methinks. Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 9 08:44:14 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:44:14 +1100 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: On 7 Jun 96 Paul Mather wrote about Re: HW: www.hawkwind.com: > would make more sense, logistics-wise). It makes me wonder, actually, how > much direct input the band have in this, or whether it is just a product > of the EMI publicity arm. I mean, the WWW page contents are concerned solely > with promoting the remasters so far (plus a little plugging for EBS). According to Dale (the page's author), a fan (Nigel something or other - check the sleeve notes) convinced EMI to do the remasters. This guy did most of the work. As as the pages go, EMI sponsored them (according to 'He' at Hawkwind's request ... but the 'He' also said the HW did most of the work on the remasters), hence the shameless promotion. Dale said that over time the EMI stuff will loose focus, and he has a large amount of material (photo's, interviews, etc.) to add to the page, supposedly supplied by Dave. Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 9 08:44:13 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:44:13 +1100 Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future Message-ID: On 7 Jun 96 Andy Cobley wrote about Re: HW: Welcome to the Future: > Just tell him we looked it up at inter-nic where > he registered it ! He's not all stressed about it anyway. Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 9 08:44:13 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:44:13 +1100 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: On 7 Jun 96 M Holmes wrote about Re: HW: www.hawkwind.com: > > Phew! I'm safe > > I dunno. Obviously you should get Brock so mad that he'll fly to > Australia to sort you out. Then tell 'im if he's coming anyway, the band > might as well tour.... Sounds like a plan! ;^) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 9 08:49:30 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:49:30 +1100 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack Message-ID: On 9 Jun 96 Troy Harris wrote about Re: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Att: > Sorry to hassel you Guido, but my brother has them on CD. He has > since told me that they are no longer available. He can't remember the > name of the company that he get them from. I'll see if I can get more > info next time I see him. Please do Troy .... this is incredible news (incredible that even Hawkwind's Manager told me in a fax earlier this year that it's not likely they *ever* will come out on CD)! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Jun 9 09:47:03 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:47:03 +0200 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack Message-ID: >> > > Are these albums availible on CD? If searched for years with no luck.... >> >> > Yes they are. Up until recently the only major release that was >> > unavailable on CD was "Warrior .." I suppose you will have to order them. >> >> They've never been released on CD (unless you know something we don't!). >> Also, Warrior was out on CD well before Church of Hawkwind (one of the >> three RCA Active albums).> >> By the way, if you guys are going to speak Swedish, could you provide >> subtitles? :-) >> > Sorry to hassel you Guido, but my brother has them on CD. He has >since told me that they are no longer available. He can't remember the >name of the company that he get them from. I'll see if I can get more >info next time I see him. > Troy are you sure??? a bootleg??? an local oz release??? another CD-R release??? when did he bought them? please see your brother a bit more often... \\joe From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 9 08:54:16 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:54:16 +1100 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: On 9 Jun 96 Chris and Ginny Sargent wrote about Re: HW: www.hawkwind.com: > >Just on a whim, I tried the above... > > > >:) > > I can't believe that with all the activity on this list, the above > has only been hit 17 times as of today (6/9/96)!!! The counter is only a new addition .... it wasn't there at the time the URL became known. Come to think of it, I was the 17th visitor as well earlier tonight .... methinks it's an Illuminati reference rather than a text counter! I'm gunna look at the source right now .... nup, it's definitely a counter, and now it reads 18. Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sun Jun 9 10:20:04 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:20:04 +1000 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: <199606091344.XAA21471@uluru.ozonline.com.au> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?= wrote: > On 9 Jun 96 Troy Harris wrote about Re: Choose Your Masques & Sonic > Att: > > > Sorry to hassel you Guido, but my brother has them on CD. He has > > since told me that they are no longer available. He can't remember the > > name of the company that he get them from. I'll see if I can get more > > info next time I see him. > > Please do Troy .... this is incredible news (incredible that even > Hawkwind's Manager told me in a fax earlier this year that it's not > likely they *ever* will come out on CD)! > > Sonique > > -- Okay dudes! I rang my brother, got him out of bed, (he lives overseas) and he told me that he got them in the Phillipines while he was there in the navy. They are in fact not exactly legal, and have crappy covers etc. So, apologies to all who were interested. I don't think you can get them elsewhere. Those who have been to the Phillipines will understand. Thanx Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sun Jun 9 10:34:32 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:34:32 +1000 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960609154757.11271a0a@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Johan Edlundh wrote: > >> By the way, if you guys are going to speak Swedish, could you provide > >> subtitles? :-) > >> > a bootleg??? > an local oz release??? > another CD-R release??? > when did he bought them? > > please see your brother a bit more often... > > \\joe > Ka:re Joe, Min bror bor in USA. Jag bor i Australien. Jag ska ringer idag. :) Hej Da^ Troy From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Jun 9 10:35:18 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:35:18 +0200 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack Message-ID: >> > Sorry to hassel you Guido, but my brother has them on CD. He has >> > since told me that they are no longer available. He can't remember the >> > name of the company that he get them from. I'll see if I can get more >> > info next time I see him. >> > Okay dudes! > I rang my brother, got him out of bed, (he lives overseas) and he >told me that he got them in the Phillipines while he was there in the >navy. They are in fact not exactly legal, and have crappy covers etc. >So, apologies to all who were interested. I don't think you can get them >elsewhere. Those who have been to the Phillipines will understand. > Thanx > Troy ok, CYM & SA bootlegged in the Phillipines... in fact I'm not surprised! this is as far as I know the only CD pressings up to date of those precious items. can you check with him (some time) which year he bought them, or if there's a (P) year on the crappy sleeves somewhere? thanx - \\joe From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sun Jun 9 11:06:01 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:06:01 +1000 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960609163612.0a177ef6@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Johan Edlundh wrote: > > ok, > CYM & SA bootlegged in the Phillipines... in fact I'm not surprised! > this is as far as I know the only CD pressings up to date of those precious > items. > > can you check with him (some time) which year he bought them, or if there's > a (P) year on the crappy sleeves somewhere? > > thanx - \\joe > I promise to ask him next time. but don't hold your breath, it is not cheap to call the US from Aust., and once in a while is plenty. We talk too long! :) Hej da^, Troy From chriss at MDC.NET Sun Jun 9 06:32:39 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 11:32:39 +0100 Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: >Hi there, > >I compiled a draft version of a (the?) BOCbase web page from my tape list. >Point your web browser to > > http://145.89.78.151/~martijn/boc/boc.htm > >and let me know what you think. > >Any suggestions, additions etc. are very welcome! I think that it doesn't work! I could not access it! Why??? From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sun Jun 9 11:38:29 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 10:38:29 -0500 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Troy Harris wrote: > > CYM & SA bootlegged in the Phillipines... in fact I'm not surprised! > > this is as far as I know the only CD pressings up to date of those precious > > items. > > > > can you check with him (some time) which year he bought them, or if there's > > a (P) year on the crappy sleeves somewhere? > > > I promise to ask him next time. but don't hold your breath, it is > not cheap to call the US from Aust., and once in a while is plenty. We > talk too long! :) If you gave one of us US subscribers the #, I don't see why one of us couldn't call and check it out. I'm at work now, so I'm out for any immediately gratifying info.... Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun Jun 9 08:01:16 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:01:16 +0000 Subject: HW: hawkwind.com Message-ID: Keith A Henderson wrote: > Plus, as someone else has > noticed, half the photos/pictures are placed in the wrong spot, either >covering up other info, or off the side of the screen (well, mine >anyway). ------------------------------------------------------------- ---- it was fine when i checked.i am using netscape 2.01. rj From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Sun Jun 9 11:59:05 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:59:05 +0200 Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: >>Hi there, >> >>I compiled a draft version of a (the?) BOCbase web page from my tape list. >>Point your web browser to >> >> http://145.89.78.151/~martijn/boc/boc.htm >> >>and let me know what you think. >> >>Any suggestions, additions etc. are very welcome! > > > I think that it doesn't work! I could not access it! Why??? > Oh, it worked fine for me... Maybe the server was down when you tried. Try again later. Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun Jun 9 08:09:32 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:09:32 +0000 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: Chris and Ginny Sargent wrote: > > >Just on a whim, I tried the above... > > > >:) > > I can't believe that with all the activity on this list, the above > has only been hit 17 times as of today (6/9/96)!!!-----------------------------------------------------------------------wow, and two of those are mine! rj From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun Jun 9 08:13:57 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:13:57 +0000 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack Message-ID: Troy Harris wrote: > Sorry to hassel you Guido, but my brother has them on CD. He has > since told me that they are no longer available. He can't remember the > name of the company that he get them from. I'll see if I can get more > info next time I see him. > Troysounds like someone made a cd-r archive.i understand it is legal to do this,so long as one does not sell them.(i've noticed open ads for companies in my area, offering to do just that.you would have to have a genuine love for the album,and no hope of cd release, as it costs 50-75 us dollars.)rj From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sun Jun 9 13:41:56 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 10:41:56 -0700 Subject: off: Phish? Message-ID: At 04:05 PM 6/6/96 BST, you wrote: > I noticed in NME that Phish are playing in London on the 11th > of July. Does anyone recommend going to see them? Go! You'll enjoy them I'm sure.. They've become one of my favorite bands in the last few years.. Their music is, well, different but.. good. Imagine if you will, a mix of Yes, Zappa, BOC and the Dead... and you might get some inkling of what their music is like.. I've collected over 30 live tapes (they allow taping at shows..) and listen to them all the time. I've mentioned before on this list that sometimes, in their more rock oriented songs, they almost remind me a bit of Blue Oyster Cult... But they're worlds away from most any other music you could name.. Hard to quantify... _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sun Jun 9 13:48:04 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:48:04 -0400 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: <31BAC005.2481@ix.netcom.com> from "SKARSOL" at Jun 9, 96 12:13:57 pm Message-ID: rj says-- > Troy Harris wrote: > > > Sorry to hassel you Guido, but my brother has them on CD. He has > > since told me that they are no longer available. He can't remember the > > name of the company that he get them from. I'll see if I can get more > > info next time I see him. > Troysounds like someone made a cd-r archive.i understand it is legal to do > this,so long as one does not sell them. That seems reasonable. I am 99.95% certain there's been no official release on CD (though I'd be happy to be proven wrong). Guido -- The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The Name that can be named is not the eternal Name. From stayer at PI.NET Sat Jun 8 05:13:24 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 02:13:24 PDT Subject: OFF: umlauts Message-ID: >>>> >> Spinal Tap also used an umlaut!! >>>> >Yeah, but so does Motorhead and (ugh) Motley Crue... any others? >>>> Husker Du? >>>Green Jello >>Silly Dutch band called Trockener Kecks (dry cookies or something). Umlaut on >>the O. >Die Totenhosen (The Dead Trousers?):) >Jon Browne No, I don't think they have umlauts. And yes, I think it's Dead Trousers. Jerry From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Jun 9 21:01:33 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 21:01:33 BST Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: Guido Vacano's message of Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:48:04 -0400 Message-ID: Guido Vacano writes: > rj says-- > > > Troy Harris wrote: > > > > > Sorry to hassel you Guido, but my brother has them on CD. He has > > > since told me that they are no longer available. He can't remember the > > > name of the company that he get them from. I'll see if I can get more > > > info next time I see him. > > > Troysounds like someone made a cd-r archive.i understand it is legal to do > > this,so long as one does not sell them. > > That seems reasonable. I am 99.95% certain there's been no official > release on CD (though I'd be happy to be proven wrong). > This *has* to be the answer. There is no official release of these two albums on CD and this is the first bootleg version I've heard of. I can't imagine that a CD taken from the vinyl would sound particularly good either! Should they go into the discography with a mention tho'? Curious archivists need to know. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Jun 9 21:10:11 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 21:10:11 BST Subject: HW: Langtree again Message-ID: Further info update: The presence of Hawkwind is not yet confirmed - negotiations are still underway...... However the guy running the festival (Alex Duncan) apparently owns and runs a recording studio from his Mum's farm and has many music contacts with bands in the area. He used to have his own band "Circle of Hands" but this has broken up now. They have had two previous festivals (the Summer Daze festivals) which were successful and are putting on this one in the absence of Glastonbury this year. It was advertised in Melody Maker last week but tickets probably won't be on sale until about 1st July - there may be a London distributor. Likely cost is aroudn 10.00 pounds. The festival itself will be one day but they hope to have two stages and several bands playing. Camping will be free and it's likely that people will be allowed to come in on Friday night and stay on until Sunday morning. More details will be available later (probably 1st week in July or so). jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Jun 9 16:11:01 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:11:01 +0200 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack Message-ID: >> rj says-- >> >> > Troy Harris wrote: >> > >> > > Sorry to hassel you Guido, but my brother has them on CD. He has >> > > since told me that they are no longer available. He can't remember the >> > > name of the company that he get them from. I'll see if I can get more >> > > info next time I see him. >> >> > Troysounds like someone made a cd-r archive.i understand it is legal to do >> > this,so long as one does not sell them. >> >> That seems reasonable. I am 99.95% certain there's been no official >> release on CD (though I'd be happy to be proven wrong). >> > >This *has* to be the answer. There is no official release of these two >albums on CD and this is the first bootleg version I've heard of. I >can't imagine that a CD taken from the vinyl would sound particularly >good either! > >Should they go into the discography with a mention tho'? > >Curious archivists need to know. did you both missed the Phillipine Boot Solution? >jill \\joe From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sun Jun 9 17:53:35 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:53:35 -0500 Subject: HW: Calvert WWW Tribute In-Reply-To: <199606090943.TAA21177@uluru.ozonline.com.au> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?= wrote: > Knut Gerwers Calvert Tribute is up! > The URL is http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ ... check it out! Tried the URL but got File Not Found... Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sun Jun 9 18:18:04 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:18:04 -0500 Subject: HW: US Covers: update Message-ID: Hi all, I just thought I'd let you know that Dave, Chuck and I straightened out the problems with the covers, that the tracklist inserts have been received, and that the first five sets will be doing out in the mail tomorrow (I haven't checked the list to see who goes first--order will follow that of money rec'd--but remember I'm always willing to accept bribe to move you up the list ;-) On the status of $ rec'd so far, I've gotten $ from Karl Hiller, Doug Bates, John McIntyre, Randy Abeck,Keith Henderson, Mike McCollum, Jeff Riedle, Jerry Guizar, Ron Jennings, Chris Boxley, Chris Steir, Frank Weil, Alan Siebert, Andy Apold, Wylie Stone, Stephen Lindsey, Paul Mather, and Duane Hoyt. Thanks! I've not received funds from the following folks yet: do please send them in ASAP, as the tapes are only slightly more than 1/2 paid off thus far... > >Just how many list members want a set? From: donnell at epx.cis.umn.edu (brian) From: Hawkwind00 at aol.com (ray) From: Martyn White From: Richard Crump From: John Majka From: John McCartney From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM From: Stephen Swann I have rec'd email from some of you, stating that the check's in the mail, but if so, I've not rec'd it yet :-) Also, two people (Christian and someone else who's name I've lost) had inquired about the availability of sets. There's still room for a few, so contact me for cost, address, etc. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sun Jun 9 17:42:14 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:42:14 -0400 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960609221156.0497d3fe@eka.ericsson.se> from "Johan Edlundh" at Jun 9, 96 10:11:01 pm Message-ID: says-- > >> > Troysounds like someone made a cd-r archive.i understand it is > legal to do > >> > this,so long as one does not sell them. > >> > >> That seems reasonable. I am 99.95% certain there's been no official > >> release on CD (though I'd be happy to be proven wrong). > >> > > > >This *has* to be the answer. There is no official release of these two > >albums on CD and this is the first bootleg version I've heard of. I > >can't imagine that a CD taken from the vinyl would sound particularly > >good either! > > did you both missed the Phillipine Boot Solution? Nope. Just replied to a post earlier in the thread before I saw the Phillipine thingy. In any case, that's probably how the Phillipines made the bootlegs, isn't it? Guido obCDplayer--Strange Cargo : Hinterland by William Orbit obINTERMINABLE(but enjoyable)yakking--BOC-L :-) -- The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The Name that can be named is not the eternal Name. From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun Jun 9 16:41:41 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 20:41:41 +0000 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack Message-ID: > >This *has* to be the answer. There is no official release of these two > >albums on CD and this is the first bootleg version I've heard of. I > >can't imagine that a CD taken from the vinyl would sound particularly > >good either! > > > >Should they go into the discography with a mention tho'? > > > >Curious archivists need to know. > i once owned a phillipino boot of uriah heeps greatest hits.the sound quality was tolerable, but the package and labeling looked like they were done as a second grade art project. i think that if you include this in the archives,you may as well include every cassette copy of every album.i mean- who would want this?i have the vinyl in mint condition.if i wanted it badly enough,i could put it on cd-r,laser the covers,and casual observation would reveal nothing.if i did so,would you be after listing that? there are certain countries to which it is illegal to trade or sell software, music, and video for just that reason.these people put out 500 or 1000 copies of crap, and imo they do not deserve notice. apologeez if i've stepped on anyone else's oppinion. rj From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon Jun 10 00:09:18 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:09:18 -0500 Subject: BOC web site Message-ID: On 8-JUN-1996 04:22:01.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Hello fellow cultomaniacs. I just want to invite you to visit my web >site at http://j-and-a.com/boc.html >Tanx, Jack Hey, hey, it's Jack "Harley Davidon-Blue Oyster Cult"! How goes it? It's Chuck from the ol' Prodigy BB... Chuck `[1;37;46mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jun 10 00:18:38 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:18:38 +1100 Subject: HW: Calvert WWW Tribute Message-ID: On 9 Jun 96 Allan T Grohe Jr wrote about Re: HW: Calvert WWW Tribute: > > Knut Gerwers Calvert Tribute is up! > > The URL is http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ ... check it out! > > Tried the URL but got File Not Found... Strange ... works for me (and I just tried it again too!) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jun 10 00:30:07 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:30:07 +1100 Subject: HW: (Fwd) error in live dates Message-ID: This is primarily for Bernhard, A friendly surfer made the following observation: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 12:34:58 -0700 From: Lenny Wolfe-Baldini Organization: Wolf's Workbench To: sonique at hyme.pcmicro.com.au Subject: error in live dates found an error in your live dates seen HAWKWIND 3-24-74 (with MAN...they opened show) at Morris Civic Auditorium...downtown South Bend, Indiana (USA) check it and or correct it!!!! GREAT site by the way...beats the rare mention in an printed article thanks LWB...South Bend, Indiana ------- Forwarded Message Ends ------- I assume that he is referring to the entry marked as: Detroit Ford Auditorium 24.3.74 Sun Can anyone confirm this? Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jun 10 00:43:16 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:43:16 +1100 Subject: HW: Antique Photos Message-ID: Look what I just got in my mbox ..... > Hi, > I did the original photos for "In Search of Space" and more. > You may be interested to know that I have just begun converting that > material into electrons for imminent publication in Cyberspace. and > I would like to contact him and specialy Dave Brock, who used to sleep on > my floor in Portobello Road when he was in London! > There's some amazing stuff coming out of the boxes. Neat 'eh! Hopefully I'll have some cool stuff for my WWW pages one day soon. Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jun 10 02:52:01 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:52:01 +0200 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack Message-ID: Guido Vacano wrote: > > Troy sez-- > > > On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > Are these albums availible on CD? If searched for years with no luck.... > > > Yes they are. Up until recently the only major release that was > > unavailable on CD was "Warrior .." I suppose you will have to order them. > > They've never been released on CD (unless you know something we don't!). > Also, Warrior was out on CD well before Church of Hawkwind (one of the > three RCA Active albums). > > By the way, if you guys are going to speak Swedish, could you provide > subtitles? :-) > I'm not speaking Swedish, but Norwegian....:) Christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jun 10 02:59:06 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:59:06 +0200 Subject: HW: US Covers: update Message-ID: Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just thought I'd let you know that Dave, Chuck and I straightened out > the problems with the covers, that the tracklist inserts have been > received, and that the first five sets will be doing out in the mail > tomorrow (I haven't checked the list to see who goes first--order will > follow that of money rec'd--but remember I'm always willing to accept > bribe to move you up the list ;-) > > On the status of $ rec'd so far, I've gotten $ from Karl Hiller, Doug > Bates, John McIntyre, Randy Abeck,Keith Henderson, Mike McCollum, Jeff > Riedle, Jerry Guizar, Ron Jennings, Chris Boxley, Chris Steir, Frank > Weil, Alan Siebert, Andy Apold, Wylie Stone, Stephen Lindsey, Paul > Mather, and Duane Hoyt. Thanks! > > I've not received funds from the following folks yet: do please send > them in ASAP, as the tapes are only slightly more than 1/2 paid off thus > far... > > > >Just how many list members want a set? > > From: donnell at epx.cis.umn.edu (brian) > From: Hawkwind00 at aol.com (ray) > From: Martyn White > From: Richard Crump > From: John Majka > From: John McCartney > From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM > From: Stephen Swann > > I have rec'd email from some of you, stating that the check's in the > mail, but if so, I've not rec'd it yet :-) > > Also, two people (Christian and someone else who's name I've lost) had > inquired about the availability of sets. There's still room for a few, > so contact me for cost, address, etc. > I'm getting the tapes from Dave Berry in the UK, Christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jun 10 03:30:10 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:30:10 +0200 Subject: Fifth Second of Forever: Film???? Message-ID: In the HW discography this track off "Levitation" is listed as a soundtrack... anybody know anything about this film and how it can be obtained??? Christian From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jun 10 03:57:29 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:57:29 +0100 Subject: BOC: SLC concert review In-Reply-To: <199606080719.BAA02643@mailhub.aros.net> Message-ID: > Buck was unbelievable. It was one of the best shows I'd ever seen him play. > He hit everything and was non-stop amazing. He also was looking very good. > > Now Allen is another story. He looked old enough to be in the Rolling > Stones! His playing was great. He is truly an exceptional keyboard player > and his guitar work would easily make him the lead guitarist in most bands > you'd hear on the radio nowadays. Intriguingly, in the Goldmine article Allen is somewhat modest about his own abilities on the keyboards, saying that Buck is a much more talented keyboard player. Also, that the keyboard section for Joan Crawford was worked out by Joe. Eric (i think it's Eric) also says that Buck is a very good drummer and could play professionally. Dave From hdboc at TELEVAR.COM Mon Jun 10 04:00:20 1996 From: hdboc at TELEVAR.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:00:20 -0700 Subject: BOC web site Message-ID: Hi Chuck! Great to see your post, old friend. I don't get to the 4-winds bar to often anymore. Doesn't seem to be many boc Prodigy folks around. Thought I would join this list and see what goes on elsewhere in the boc world. I've had a good boc year so far. Got to see the band 3 times, talk with Eric and Buck, got pics taken with the two, plus Danny and went to the 1rst annual boc bbq in Santa Rosa. Whacha been up too? Jack aka hdboc http://j-and-a.com/boc.html From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jun 10 04:01:52 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:01:52 +0100 Subject: Patti Smith on TV In-Reply-To: <199606080719.BAA02643@mailhub.aros.net> Message-ID: Did anyone catch Patti Smith on BBC2 on Saturday? ("Later" with Jools Holland). She was pretty damn good, star quality written all over her. She did an unaccompanied reading of "People have the Power" and then a song from the new album, the title of which I forget. The only disappointment was that she only did the one spot, whereas everybody else on the programme did two; also I was hoping to hear Tom Verlaine let rip, but on this show he just played a straight backing part. Dave From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 10 11:21:31 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:21:31 BST Subject: [VideoFest Berlin: the Calvert site is on-line] Message-ID: THought you folks might be interested... ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > Received: from ns.contrib.com by tattoo.ed.ac.uk id aa07262; 8 Jun 96 6:26 BST > Received: from videofest.B-1.de.Contrib.Net (videofest.B-1.de.Contrib.Net [194.77.15.13]) by NS.Contrib.Com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA27067 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 07:26:24 +0200 > Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 07:26:24 +0200 > Message-Id: <199606080526.HAA27067 at NS.Contrib.Com> > X-Sender: videofest at mediopolis.de > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > To: fofp at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > From: VideoFest Berlin > Subject: the Calvert site is on-line > X-Mailer: > Status: RO > > Hi Mike, > > this is to let you know that the net-site on Robert Calvert is finally on-line. > This is it`s URL: > > http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/welcome.htm > > I hope you`ll find some time to check it out soon and send me some comments > on it - any additions and ideas are appreciated. > If possible watch these pages with all images and backgrounds. > > I`d be very grateful if you would place a link to this site on your own > homepage and spread the news about it to anyone who might be interested in it. > > Thanks and all the best, > > Knut Gerwers > VideoFest > Mediopolis Berlin e.V. > Potsdamer Strasse 96 > D-10785 Berlin > Phone *49 30 262 87 14 > Fax *49 30 262 87 13 > videofest at mediopolis.de > http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ > ---- End of forwarded text ---- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 10 11:27:34 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:27:34 BST Subject: HW: Alan's first HW gig In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:43:05 BST Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > cjohnson writes: > > > >>> Alan's been with him for what, 15 years? > > > > >> 12 this month. Wasn't his first gig the Stonehenge '84 one? > > > > > He's listed in the liner notes for _Levitation_. Did Castle Records > > > screw up? (This is the Castle double CD release of Levitation/Live > > > 79). > > > > I thought that Stonehenge 83 was the first Davey gig? Or does the > > official HW 'Stonehenge 84' video document Alan's very first > > appearance w/HW ? > > > Does the Stonehenge '84 video show the Stonehenge '84 show? It shows the Stonehenge '84 that I attended. FoFP From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Mon Jun 10 07:24:14 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:24:14 +0100 Subject: BOC: SLC concert review In-Reply-To: <199606080719.BAA02643@mailhub.aros.net> Message-ID: Hi Brad! It's always nice to see a review by a real fan. I thought you might like to compare the gig you saw with the similar set which they played at the London Forum, 13th December 1995: It was quite a small club, which looked like a converted cinema. The band consisted of Buck Dharma, Eric Bloom, Alan Lanier, a Hispanic bass player called Danny wearing a pirate handkerchief on his head and an Irish drummer called O'Riley. They opened with 'Stairway to the Stars', same as first time I saw them over twenty years ago. Next was 'Dr Music' so I didn't need to request it! Followed by: O.D.'d on Life Extra Terrestrial Intelligence A new song by Buck which was a bit boring except for the guitar solo in a different time (Reaper-style) Seven Screaming Dizbusters I'd like to see you in black - new song by Eric Take Me Away Flaming Telepaths Cities on Flame with Rock'n'Roll Last Days of May - absolutely terrific arrangement with Buck playing virtuoso guitar licks as the tempo gets faster In thee (acoustic arrangement) LIPS IN THE HILLS - best number of the evening Burnin' for You Godzilla (Don't Fear) The Reaper - encores - Me262 Dominance and Submission The Red and the Black And that was it, despite the fact that the T-shirts had 'Workshop of the Telescopes' written on the back as the title of their new 'best-of' CD. Lots of stuff from the first couple of albums. Eric's new song was a good one about hoping how her husband dies so that she will have to wear black and they can go to Greece together and sit drinking ouzo by the Parthenon. Although there was a lack of Bouchard brothers it was very recognisably a BOC gig (five of the numbers in the set are on their "Live 1976" CD). Eric has let his beard grow into a sort of spade-shaped Zappa-style thing: not really a good idea. Buck is still clean-shaven and looks like an up-market car salesman. Alan looks horribly washed out, same as usual... I couldn't agree more about how sensational Buck's playing was - very clean, clear sound so you could hear all the ultra-fast flurries of notes, none of that HM distortion (of course he's never been a heavy metal guitar player...) Never thought I'd see them again - gosh! - Mike Godwin PS When I was listening to WOTT at the weekend, I thought what a crummy selection of 32 songs it was. No Last Days, very little T&M (I wish I'd seen them play 'Teen Archer') and no sign of their trademark two doomy minor chords, the ones on Quicklime Girl and many other numbers of that period. How can you have a Best Of BOC collection that doesn't go CLANG! CLUNG! like the tolling of a funeral bell? From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jun 10 07:55:16 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:55:16 +0100 Subject: BOC: SLC concert review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, M R Godwin wrote: > They opened with > 'Stairway to the Stars', same as first time I saw them over twenty years > ago. Next was > 'Dr Music' so I didn't need to request it! Followed by: > O.D.'d on Life > Extra Terrestrial Intelligence > A new song by Buck which was a bit boring except for the guitar solo in a > different time (Reaper-style) For shame, for shame!! IMHO Buck's new one, Harvest Moon, is destined to be something of a classic. In Goldmine Sandy Pearlman says that Buck has written "maybe seven songs of genius, including Harvest Moon". But I would admit that it probably has to be heard a couple of times or so to be fully appreciated (I have a tape of the studio version :-) D From m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK Mon Jun 10 13:05:43 1996 From: m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK (M.R.VARLEY) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:05:43 GMT+0 Subject: BOC: SLC concert review Message-ID: > It's always nice to see a review by a real fan. I thought you might like > to compare the gig you saw with the similar set which they played at the > London Forum, 13th December 1995: > > It was quite a small club, which looked like a converted cinema. The band > consisted of Buck Dharma, Eric Bloom, Alan Lanier, a Hispanic bass player > called Danny wearing a pirate handkerchief on his head and an Irish > drummer called O'Riley. > > They opened with > 'Stairway to the Stars', same as first time I saw them over twenty years > ago. Next was > 'Dr Music' so I didn't need to request it! Followed by: > O.D.'d on Life > Extra Terrestrial Intelligence > A new song by Buck which was a bit boring except for the guitar solo in a > different time (Reaper-style) > Seven Screaming Dizbusters > I'd like to see you in black - new song by Eric > Take Me Away > Flaming Telepaths > Cities on Flame with Rock'n'Roll > Last Days of May - absolutely terrific arrangement with Buck playing > virtuoso guitar licks as the tempo gets faster > In thee (acoustic arrangement) > LIPS IN THE HILLS - best number of the evening > Burnin' for You > Godzilla > (Don't Fear) The Reaper > > - encores - > > Me262 > Dominance and Submission > The Red and the Black > I think they played Before the Kiss in the list where you have 7 Screaming Dizbusters (London Dec 1995) - at least that's how I remember it!! Martin From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Jun 10 08:07:32 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:07:32 -0400 Subject: HW: Re: Fifth Second of Forever: Film???? Message-ID: I believe it's been established that there is no film, that it just seemed like a cool thing to put on the sleeve. Sorry! The latest "trivia" file (with lots of this sort of stuff) is now available from Paul (Sonique's) HW site. - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Jun 10 08:07:37 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:07:37 -0400 Subject: Patti Smith on TV Message-ID: No, missed it, but I do have tickets for the Shepherds Bush Empire show, August 7th! - Andy From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Jun 10 08:26:03 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:26:03 +0100 Subject: BOC: SLC concert review In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:05:43 GMT." <67D593E00C1@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-ID: Martin sez - > > > I think they played Before the Kiss in the list where you have 7 > Screaming Dizbusters (London Dec 1995) - at least that's how I > remember it!! Correct. I'd have just about died if they played 7S D-Bs and as I recall that didn't happen :-) I do remember a few of us boc-l folk yelling for the said song in the quiet bits and being steadfastly ignored by the band. >From my review to this list, the Forum gig 13/12/95 Set: ---- ... Harvest Moon Before the Kiss... ... Harvest Moon, both times I've heard it, sounds an ace song that is dying for a studio version. Tim From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 10 09:21:34 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:21:34 +0100 Subject: BOC: SLC concert review [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: <199606101226.NAA01980@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, bart wrote: > Martin sez - > > > > > > I think they played Before the Kiss in the list where you have 7 > > Screaming Dizbusters (London Dec 1995) - at least that's how I > > remember it!! > > Correct. I'd have just about died if they played 7S D-Bs and as I recall > that didn't happen :-) I do remember a few of us boc-l folk yelling for the > said song in the quiet bits and being steadfastly ignored by the band. Oh, that was you was it? I was over to the right of you a bit then... JAZZA _____________________________________________________________________________ Jon Jarrett Pembroke College Cambridge "If he really thinks we're the (01223 460728) devil, Then let's send them to jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk Hell!" (B.O.C., `Divine Wind') ======================================================================== From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 10 09:01:17 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:01:17 +0100 Subject: HW / Record Collector / DikMik int. In-Reply-To: <8Pbc5CAV9+txEwTi@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Finally. #6 sorry, busy weekend. Boy, is this a high traffic list these days! DikMik ( audio generator 1970-74, now painting and decorating ) " I was notorious for leaving the band, and when I did, Del took over. We had similar roles, providing the sound effects. Though I think my main role in the band was supplying the pychedelic substances. I reckon I was probably out of my head on that stuff for three years continually. It might have helped the inventiveness of the music, but I don't think it improved the live side of it. Sometimes we were abysmal! Our philosophy was to get as many people together as possible and have a good time. We were merely a catalyst for an event. However, the straight press was always trying to put us down, an excess of sex and drugs and rock'n'roll. I was never a serious musician, so when it stopped being full-time fun and started getting serious and business-minded, then I left. I had other things to do with my time. I've not done anything musically since." Well, with Terry and DikMik painting and decorating in London, I'm wondering if I should get my living room done ;-> -- Jon Browne From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Mon Jun 10 09:49:37 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:49:37 +1000 Subject: BOC web site In-Reply-To: <31BBD614.350C@televar.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Jack W. Heffling wrote: > Hi Chuck! > > Great to see your post, old friend. I don't get to the 4-winds bar to > often anymore. Doesn't seem to be many boc Prodigy folks around. Thought > I would join this list and see what goes on elsewhere in the boc world. > I've had a good boc year so far. Got to see the band 3 times, talk with > Eric and Buck, got pics taken with the two, plus Danny and went to the > 1rst annual boc bbq in Santa Rosa. Whacha been up too? > > Jack aka hdboc > > http://j-and-a.com/boc.html > Why is it that all the US BOC fans torture those of us overseas with their awesome BOC stories? :-) ..... but really .. :-(.....! Signed, one jealous BOC fan who lives in the wrong country for rock bands, Troy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 10 09:59:31 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:59:31 -0400 Subject: Message to Boston area BOC/tBS fans Message-ID: Was in a few record stores in Cambridge, MA this weekend. The following 2 items are of note: 1. Newbury Comics has most of their BOC CDs on sale for around $5.99. 2. I saw a copy of *Trepanation* at the Tower Records in Harvard Square for $15.99 John Swartz From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Mon Jun 10 10:03:18 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:03:18 +1000 Subject: BOC: SLC concert review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Hardman DK wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, M R Godwin wrote: > > > They opened with > > 'Stairway to the Stars', same as first time I saw them over twenty years > > ago. Next was > > 'Dr Music' so I didn't need to request it! Followed by: > > O.D.'d on Life > > Extra Terrestrial Intelligence > > A new song by Buck which was a bit boring except for the guitar solo in a > > different time (Reaper-style) > > For shame, for shame!! IMHO Buck's new one, Harvest Moon, is destined to > be something of a classic. In Goldmine Sandy Pearlman says that Buck has > written "maybe seven songs of genius, including Harvest Moon". But I > would admit that it probably has to be heard a couple of times or so to > be fully appreciated (I have a tape of the studio version :-) > > D > You guys are KILLING ME! You have a tape of a new BOC song? I can't even get the flaming "goldmine" article. I have tried every - and I mean every- bloody shop in Australia. This, to us in the Aussie faction of the BOC fc, purely sux. My good friend in the US, Bolle, has also told me about this article, and the main problem that I encounter is this: Who publishes the thing. If I can find out I may have a chance of tracking it down. Could you supply me with some details? I would be eternally grateful. Thanx, Troy TLH at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Mon Jun 10 10:09:03 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:09:03 +1000 Subject: Message to Boston area BOC/tBS fans In-Reply-To: <199606101359.JAA03818@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > Was in a few record stores in Cambridge, MA this weekend. The following > 2 items are of note: > > 1. Newbury Comics has most of their BOC CDs on sale for around $5.99. > > 2. I saw a copy of *Trepanation* at the Tower Records in Harvard Square > for $15.99 > > John Swartz > We can't get Trepanation yet in Australia, so what is your humble opinion, wait for release or must get now from AB? Troy From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Mon Jun 10 10:13:32 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:13:32 -0500 Subject: [off] Moorcock/Nomads Message-ID: Hi all, I know of several online Nomads of the Time Streams, some of whom are on this list. I maintain a Nomads mailing list (very sporadic and low traffic, esp. since the creation of alt.books.moorcock), so if you're online and not in touch with me (and would like to be in touch with other Nomads) please drop me an email. Thanks! Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Mon Jun 10 15:17:53 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:17:53 BST Subject: BOC : just how cheap ??? Message-ID: ay up all, John Swartz writes : " Newbury Comics has most of their BOC CDs on sale for around $5.99. " I am interested in buying early BOC + Imaginos, and was wondering :- a) just HOW cheap is $5.99 (about 3 quid ??) b) would any kind soul be willing to pick up some cd's at these rock bottom prices, and then post them across the pond c) how much would b) cost ? inquiring minds would like to know, Neil S. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Jun 10 10:45:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:45:00 EDT Subject: Brain: The Question from OZ Message-ID: > We can't get Trepanation yet in Australia, so what is your humble >opinion, wait for release or must get now from AB? > Troy Get it now. No reason to delay gratification on this one and with a new release imminent, you'll just be that much further behind. It has some very good stuff on it. Thanks for sticking to English on this post Rudy Waiting for tBS gig in less than 2 weeks. From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Mon Jun 10 11:39:03 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:39:03 +0000 Subject: Message to Boston area BOC/tBS fans Message-ID: I'm sure every one but me knows, but what is *Trepanation* in this context * John A Swartz wrote: > 2. I saw a copy of *Trepanation* at the Tower Records in Harvard Square > for $15.99 Ta Andy C *Yes I know it means drilling holes in your head -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jun 10 11:51:47 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:51:47 +0200 Subject: testing Message-ID: I'm having some problems getting thru here, I believe...... From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jun 10 11:55:50 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:55:50 +0200 Subject: Alien Sex Fiend Silver Machine Message-ID: Skimming thru a CD catalogue, I found Alien Sex Fiend's Album "Other Worlds", which lists "Silver Machine" in the track listing. Is this *the* Silver Machine? If so, is it included on the Tribute/Covers tapes?? Christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jun 10 11:31:28 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:31:28 +0200 Subject: Alien Sex Fiend Silver Machine Message-ID: Skimming thru a CD catalogue, I found Alien Sex Fiend's album "Other Worlds", and included in the track listing was "Silver Machine".... is this *the* Silver Machine, and if so, is it included on the covers tape??? I'm sure it would be quite bizarre..... Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 10 12:24:30 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:24:30 +0100 Subject: Message to Boston area BOC/tBS fans In-Reply-To: <31BC3387.18B@mic.dundee.ac.uk> from "Andy Cobley" at Jun 10, 96 03:39:03 pm Message-ID: > I'm sure every one but me knows, but what is *Trepanation* in this > context * The second album by the Brain Surgeons, featuring Al Bouchard (ex-BOC drummer) and Deborah Frost (noted rock journalist, etc.) both of this email list. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 10 12:28:26 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:28:26 +0100 Subject: Alien Sex Fiend Silver Machine In-Reply-To: <31BC3FD0.5C6F@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jun 10, 96 05:31:28 pm Message-ID: > Skimming thru a CD catalogue, I found Alien Sex Fiend's album "Other > Worlds", and included in the track listing was "Silver Machine".... is > this *the* Silver Machine, and if so, is it included on the covers > tape??? I'm sure it would be quite bizarre..... It *is*the* "Silver Machine" and I believe it is already included on the covers tape. Cheers, Carl ObUslessOmission: one that got away from the covers tape is a cover of Ejection that got some incredibly limited release on either a split-LP or cassette in either England or Germany (I forget which). I only know about it because I played on it :) and and a cassette copy of the recording :) On the other hand, no one is likely to miss it :) From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Jun 10 12:37:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:37:00 EDT Subject: HW: Moorcock book/Encore Freebie Message-ID: I managed to transfer the Chronicles VCD to HiFi VHS in NTSC format this weekend. The whole thing is great, but the encore was very interesting. Good version of "Utopia" and they show Mike Moorcock on stage throwing books into the audience. Any idea what book it was? Anybody lucky enough to get their hands on one? Rudy From stayer at PI.NET Mon Jun 10 21:34:56 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:34:56 PDT Subject: HW: Dutch gigs Message-ID: At last Noorderligt have changed their answering machine tape, now including the dates beyond June 1. Confirmation: Hawkwind venue: Noorderligt, Tilburg date: Thursday 27 June 1996 time: 21:20h price: Dfl 17,50 (pre-sale; bit higher at the door) There will be an after dance party (I guess, one like at the Paradiso) with Astral Asia, or Astralasia or something. I'll try and get someone of Luxor, Arnhem to talk on the phone and confirm the gig. Have fun, Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Mon Jun 10 21:21:41 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:21:41 PDT Subject: OFF: Doors tapes Message-ID: >Johan Edlundh wrote: >> Nei, jeg har ikke platespiller lengre! Christian replied: >Does anybody feel like making me >copies? I'll pay, of course........or I could trade some live Monster >Magnet/Doors/Sisters of Mercy tapes...... Er... Doors tapes. Which ones? Jerry From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jun 10 12:55:03 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:55:03 +0200 Subject: OFF: Doors tapes Message-ID: Jerry wrote: > > >Johan Edlundh wrote: > >> Nei, jeg har ikke platespiller lengre! > > Christian replied: > > >Does anybody feel like making me > >copies? I'll pay, of course........or I could trade some live Monster > >Magnet/Doors/Sisters of Mercy tapes...... > > Er... Doors tapes. Which ones? Live in Sweden, 1967 (poor quality) Crawling King Snakes, 1966/7 (?) (poor/ok quality) Live and Unreleased (From the inside), 1967-69 (italian bootleg, bad-good quality) Build Me a Woman, Live 1970 (italian bootleg, very good quality) I can provide more info tomorrow (I'm at work and remembering this off the top of my head).... more details then. See'yall! Gotta run.... Christian From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Mon Jun 10 13:17:25 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:17:25 -0500 Subject: Alien Sex Fiend Silver Machine In-Reply-To: <31BC3FD0.5C6F@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > Skimming thru a CD catalogue, I found Alien Sex Fiend's album "Other > Worlds", and included in the track listing was "Silver Machine".... is > this *the* Silver Machine, and if so, is it included on the covers > tape??? I'm sure it would be quite bizarre..... Yep, we got it covered. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tori at PANIX.COM Mon Jun 10 13:18:40 1996 From: tori at PANIX.COM (Lurking Girl) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:18:40 -0400 Subject: HW: hawkwind.io.com In-Reply-To: <199606071609.MAA15373@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: Well, when "He" gets an account, I hope He doesn't mind phone bills... pentagon:/usr/u/c/calamity>finger hawkwind Login: hawkwind Name: Hawkwind Directory: /usr/u/h/hawkwind Shell: /bin/csh Last login Sat Jun 8 11:53 (CDT) on ttyr2 from dialup-103.austin.io.com ^^^^^^^^^^ so what are the international rates these days? (If anyone wants me to try to dig around on IO, I'll se what I can find. I have to say, though, it's incredibly frustrating being on a system where I'm just another user...) Tori From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 10 13:30:02 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:30:02 -0400 Subject: Message to Boston area BOC/tBS fans Message-ID: Troy writes: > We can't get Trepanation yet in Australia, so what is yor humble opinion, wait for release or must get now from AB? Write to Cellsum Records for details on getting it direct from Al and Deb -- do it today! Cellsum address is listed in the FAQ, or perhaps someone who has it handy could repost? I believe ordering direct from Cellsum will cost $11 plus international shipping charges. > I can't even get the flaming "goldmine" article. I have tried every - and I mean every- bloody shop in Australia. This, to us in the Aussie faction of the BOC fc, purely sux. I might be able to get a copy - e-mail me (jswartz at mitre.org) if you are interested in working out a deal. John From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jun 10 14:24:37 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:24:37 -0600 Subject: BOC: SLC concert review In-Reply-To: <199606080719.BAA02643@mailhub.aros.net> Message-ID: Sounds like it was a great show. I grew up in LA in the 70's/80's, and I did attend the Cultosaurus Show at Long Beach that year, as well as many other shows in So Cal. Anyways, I don't recall them doing Lips, but they did do Marshall Plan, Black Blade, and Devine Wind that night. Can you tell me (for historical purposes) the name of the venue in which BOC played in SLC, please? I keep track of all of the tour dates, venues, ect,. Thank you.... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Jun 10 14:25:03 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:25:03 +0200 Subject: HW: Moorcock book/Encore Freebie Message-ID: Rudy ! >Any idea what book it was? Yes. The book had (has) the following lyrics: - the chronicle of the black sword - dead gods homecomming - the dragon song - the final fight - coded languages (not sure) >Anybody lucky enough to get their hands on one? Unfortunately I was not there :-( Bernhard From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jun 10 14:32:17 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:32:17 -0600 Subject: BOCbase In-Reply-To: <199606091559.RAA25761@lorien.imaginet.fr> Message-ID: Do you plan on compiling all known BOC tour dates in this basesite? If so, there are ALOT of sources that I can contribute regarding tour dates. For example, Bolle's tape list (which was mentioned) and my own list and collection of ticket stubs, flyers, newspaper ads. Let me know if you would be interested. God bles... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jun 10 14:36:34 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:36:34 -0600 Subject: BOC web site In-Reply-To: <31BBD614.350C@televar.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Jack W. Heffling wrote: > Hi Chuck! > > Great to see your post, old friend. I don't get to the 4-winds bar to > often anymore. Doesn't seem to be many boc Prodigy folks around. Thought > I would join this list and see what goes on elsewhere in the boc world. > I've had a good boc year so far. Got to see the band 3 times, talk with > Eric and Buck, got pics taken with the two, plus Danny and went to the > 1rst annual boc bbq in Santa Rosa. Whacha been up too? > > Jack aka hdboc > > http://j-and-a.com/boc.html > Jack; Hey, I think I met you and your wife (?) at the BBQ!!!! Jean and I were there all of Sat. Didn't you make those cooool mouse pads? Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jun 10 14:41:09 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:41:09 -0600 Subject: Message to Boston area BOC/tBS fans In-Reply-To: <199606101359.JAA03818@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Did you see by chance the Astronomy CD single? If so, PLEASE let me know. Thanks. God bless.. Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jun 10 14:43:42 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:43:42 -0600 Subject: BOC: SLC concert review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Troy; I have several copies of the BOC Goldmine. I will send it to you if you forward you mailing address to me in a private msg. Just trying to spread the gospel of BOC around. God bles.. Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Jun 10 15:54:11 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:54:11 EST Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: > Do you plan on compiling all known BOC tour dates in this basesite? > If so, there are ALOT of sources that I can contribute regarding tour > dates. For example, Bolle's tape list (which was mentioned) and my own > list and collection of ticket stubs, flyers, newspaper ads. > > Let me know if you would be interested. > > God bles... > > Manuel > Manuel, I know I'd certainly be interested in such a list. I've seen BOC many, many times, and I've come to regret not having kept better track of the shows, tours etc. If you have this info in one place and can send it without too much inconvenience, let me know, or simply send it private: theo tojackso at hawk.syr.edu In the player these days: Dwight Live One Hot Minute Wired Damn Right I've Got the Blues From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Jun 10 15:56:56 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:56:56 EST Subject: BOC: SLC concert review Message-ID: > Troy; > > I have several copies of the BOC Goldmine. > > I will send it to you if you forward you mailing address to me in a > private msg. > > Just trying to spread the gospel of BOC around. > > God bles.. > > Manuel > Manuel, If you can spare yet another copy of the 'Goldmine' article, I'll make it worth your while. Let me know if this is possible. theo tojackso at hawk.syr.edu In the player these days: Dwight Live One Hot Minute Wired Damn Right I've Got the Blues From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Jun 10 15:03:17 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:03:17 -0400 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: This looks like official public knowledge now. > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:44:09 -0700 > From: Dale Churchett > Organization: DC Web Design > Subject: The Official Hawkwind WWW Site > > Hi, > I am very pleased to be able to announce the launch of the official > Hawkwind web site. Please go to http://www.hawkwind.com for more info. > > Yours, > Dale Churchett From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Jun 10 15:04:47 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:04:47 -0400 Subject: BOC new to list Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-07 06:47:35 EDT, you write: >Hi all! Finally found out how to subscribe to this list. New to the list, >but old timer B?C fan. Tanx for havin' me. > >Jack (aka hdboc) > > Welcome aboard, Jack. Glad to have ya! R. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jun 10 15:34:51 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:34:51 -0400 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: <9606082032.AA18060@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Guido wrote: > are available on a compilation (Angels of Death?). Your best bet is to > prowl around the used LP stores (which may, or may not, be common in > Norway :-) ). They sure are rare here in Virginia. :-P Hey, speak for yourself!! :-) All dirt roads may indeed lead to Blacksburg, but the local downtown shop---The Record Exchange---is turning out to be a *mighty fine* record emporium; plenty of new & used CDs, LPs, and cassettes. In fact, 90% of my purchases over the last few months have been from their used CD bins; some great finds, let me tell you. > obSAMEol'SAMEol'--Load by Metallica Yup, got to agree there. I'm hoping it will improve on repeated listens, but so far it appears to be largely a retread of "the black album." > obJUVENILEbandMEMBERphotos--Load by Metallica (aren't these guys too old > for that kind of "we're tough street scum" posturing?) Yeah, I almost laughed out loud at some of those photos. Mind you, I loved the 70s-fashion-victim look; reminded me of some of the BOC promo shots in the Goldmine article---an homage, maybe? :-) But I still haven't figured out why they're dressed like cheap pimps on the back cover... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Triptych_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Jun 10 17:05:25 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:05:25 EST Subject: Millionaire rebels? Message-ID: > > > obSAMEol'SAMEol'--Load by Metallica > > Yup, got to agree there. I'm hoping it will improve on repeated listens, > but so far it appears to be largely a retread of "the black album." > > > obJUVENILEbandMEMBERphotos--Load by Metallica (aren't these guys too old > > for that kind of "we're tough street scum" posturing?) > > Yeah, I almost laughed out loud at some of those photos. Mind you, I > loved the 70s-fashion-victim look; reminded me of some of the BOC promo > shots in the Goldmine article---an homage, maybe? :-) > > But I still haven't figured out why they're dressed like cheap pimps on > the back cover... ;-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. Right! Metallica trying to look tough/disenfranchised etc. is in the same league as folks like Pearl Jam et al trying to maintain their 'alternative' status while now firmly entrenched members of the power capitalist elite. How can you be a rebel when you're a millionaire, or how can you promote your music as alternative when millions are buying it? Pal, you've just become the establishment! theo From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Jun 10 21:23:12 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:23:12 BST Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: Keith A Henderson's message of Sat, 8 Jun 1996 17:41:06 -0400 Message-ID: I'd like to see the best tracks of these two albums put onto a single CD. I can do without those versions of Silver Machine and Sonic Attack, and I definitely don't want the space filler that is Utopia. If the remaining tracks are too long for a single CD, I could also happily lose Streets Of Fear and one of the HLL tracks from CYM. The remainder would make a completely stonking album, IMO. Dave. From stayer at PI.NET Mon Jun 10 23:19:45 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:19:45 PDT Subject: BOC web site Message-ID: > Why is it that all the US BOC fans torture those of us overseas with >their awesome BOC stories? :-) ..... but really .. :-(.....! Did you miss the European whining earlier this year? You're not alone! :-) > Signed, one jealous BOC fan who lives in the wrong country for rock bands, > Troy Signed, another one Jerry From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Mon Jun 10 17:37:32 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:37:32 -0400 Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jun 10, 96 03:34:51 pm Message-ID: Doc Mather from Blacksburg :-) says-- > On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Guido wrote: > > > are available on a compilation (Angels of Death?). Your best bet is to > > prowl around the used LP stores (which may, or may not, be common in > > Norway :-) ). They sure are rare here in Virginia. :-P > > Hey, speak for yourself!! :-) All dirt roads may indeed lead to > Blacksburg, but the local downtown shop---The Record Exchange---is > turning out to be a *mighty fine* record emporium; plenty of new & used > CDs, LPs, and cassettes. In fact, 90% of my purchases over the last few > months have been from their used CD bins; some great finds, let me tell > you. Well, I may have to come down there and check it out. The only used LP/CD place I know of around here is Plan 9, and they're pretty forgettable (at least, by Denver/Boulder CO standards). A graduate student in the lab, who is a VA native, tells me that Charlottesville and Blacksburg are really cool, and that Richmond is a pit. And I had to end up in the pit! :-P :-) > > obSAMEol'SAMEol'--Load by Metallica > > Yup, got to agree there. I'm hoping it will improve on repeated listens, > but so far it appears to be largely a retread of "the black album." A couple tunes are a bit heavier (or louder), but there's certainly nothing unique or novel on it. > > obJUVENILEbandMEMBERphotos--Load by Metallica (aren't these guys too old > > for that kind of "we're tough street scum" posturing?) > > Yeah, I almost laughed out loud at some of those photos. And Lars Ulrich is looking pretty squirrelly these days, no? :-) > Mind you, I > loved the 70s-fashion-victim look; reminded me of some of the BOC promo > shots in the Goldmine article---an homage, maybe? :-) Anything's possible. :-) Guido obCDplayer--Turbulent Indigo by Joni Mitchell -- The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The Name that can be named is not the eternal Name. From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jun 10 19:48:23 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:48:23 -0600 Subject: BOC: SLC concert review In-Reply-To: <25FA4DA1D02@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: Yes. Do you want an original issue or copies of the article? Send me your home address via private msg, and I'll get it to you this week (I'm a teacher off for 5 weeks!!!). God bless... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jun 10 19:50:51 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:50:51 -0600 Subject: BOC new to list In-Reply-To: <960610150446_411212758@emout15.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 Rocker22 at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 96-06-07 06:47:35 EDT, you write: > > >Hi all! Finally found out how to subscribe to this list. New to the list, > >but old timer B?C fan. Tanx for havin' me. > > > >Jack (aka hdboc) > > > > > > Welcome aboard, Jack. Glad to have ya! > > R. > Jack; Once again- is this the same Jack we met at the bbq? The one with the mouse pads and that coool home pg? Well, welcome. If this is another Jack, welcome anyways; you're in for alot of very in-depth discussion!!!!! Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jun 10 22:38:53 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:38:53 +1100 Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future (fwd) Message-ID: Just in case you *haven't* sneaked a peak at www.hawkwind.com: ------ Hi Paul, You can now announce the Hawkwind site as I have finished the UA pages. I'm now waiting for some info from the band for the next stage. ------ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From hdboc at TELEVAR.COM Tue Jun 11 03:47:18 1996 From: hdboc at TELEVAR.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:47:18 -0700 Subject: same Jack Message-ID: Hi Manuel! Yes, that was me and my wife at the bbq. And thanks for the complement on the mouse pads and the web page. I'm working the dreaded graveyard shift right now, so sorry for taking so long to respond. The B?C bbq was a blast and I'm already looking forward to next year. One of my highlights was seeing some of the band rareities. Such as a video of the band playing some Imaginos tunes. I imagine that will never happen again. Thanks for the welcome, Manuel! Jack aka hdboc http://j-and-a.com/boc.html From hdboc at TELEVAR.COM Tue Jun 11 05:16:16 1996 From: hdboc at TELEVAR.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 02:16:16 -0700 Subject: Wrong Country Message-ID: Troy, What country would that be? How about I send ya a B?C care package? Have ya got all the video's? How about Bad Channels and Stoned Age? Also, I got the Goldmine mag today. What a cool thing to see. Front cover pic, and many pages of pics and article, plus the Brain Surgeons too! I haven't got a chance to read it all yet, but what a treat. Jack aka hdboc http://j-and-a.com/boc.html From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Tue Jun 11 06:19:03 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:19:03 +0000 Subject: Space Ritual Message-ID: An easy question I'm sure: What dates where the tracks ofn the Space Ritual recorded and which where Liverpool stadium and which where Brixton Sundown ? Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Jun 11 05:35:01 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:35:01 +0100 Subject: BOC: SLC concert review [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: <199606101226.NAA01980@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: My mistake - Mike Godwin On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, bart wrote: > Martin sez - > > > > > > I think they played Before the Kiss in the list where you have 7 > > Screaming Dizbusters (London Dec 1995) - at least that's how I > > remember it!! > > Correct. I'd have just about died if they played 7S D-Bs and as I recall > that didn't happen :-) I do remember a few of us boc-l folk yelling for the > said song in the quiet bits and being steadfastly ignored by the band. > > From my review to this list, the Forum gig 13/12/95 > > Set: > ---- > ... > Harvest Moon > Before the Kiss... > ... > > Harvest Moon, both times I've heard it, sounds an ace song that is dying for > a studio version. > > > Tim From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 11 10:48:03 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:48:03 BST Subject: Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:23:12 BST Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > I'd like to see the best tracks of these two albums put onto a single > CD. I can do without those versions of Silver Machine and Sonic Attack, > and I definitely don't want the space filler that is Utopia. If the > remaining tracks are too long for a single CD, I could also happily > lose Streets Of Fear and one of the HLL tracks from CYM. > > The remainder would make a completely stonking album, IMO. > > Dave. Given that specification I'd suggest: Choose Your Masks Coded Languages Rocky Paths Virgin of the World Angels of Death Void City Living on a Knife Edge Dream Worker Farenheit 451 Waiting For Tomorrow Arrival In Utopia FoFP From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 11 12:12:41 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:12:41 BST Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com In-Reply-To: Ken Alexander's message of Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:03:17 -0400 Message-ID: Ken Alexander writes: > This looks like official public knowledge now. > > > > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:44:09 -0700 > > From: Dale Churchett > > Organization: DC Web Design > > Subject: The Official Hawkwind WWW Site > > > > Hi, > > I am very pleased to be able to announce the launch of the official > > Hawkwind web site. Please go to http://www.hawkwind.com for more info. > > > > Yours, > > Dale Churchett Yeah - I had a peek last night and it all seemed firmed up except that the EBS page was obviously still under construction. Did someone say there was a lyrics section? Couldn't seem to find that. Or was I looking in the wrong place. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Jun 11 07:23:56 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:23:56 +0100 Subject: 32 tracks Message-ID: Here are 32 tracks which I think are a much better selection than the Workshop of the Telescopes set. They are (sort of) in order of preference, not in programme order. I would guess that most people would include all my top 10; the majority would agree with the top 20; you can't avoid including the last 4 whether you want to or not; and the rest are down to my personal preference - I expect other people would make quite a few changes. I thought I had better exclude Redcap and Diz after getting them muddled up with each other! 1 Astronomy 2 Dominance and Submission 3 Last Days of May 4 The Subhuman 5 Godzilla 6 Workshop of the Telescopes 7 Del Rio's Song 8 The Red and the Black 9 Lips in the Hills 10 Me262 11 Hot Rails to Hell 12 Flaming Telepaths 13 Stairway to the Stars 14 Cities on Flame with Rock'n'Roll 15 Veteran of the Psychic Wars 16 Quicklime Girl 17 Magna of Illusion 18 Cagey Cretins 19 OD'd on life 20 Wings Wetted Down 21 Career of Evil 22 Unknown Tongue 23 Nosferatu 24 Baby Ice Dog 25 Debbie Denise 26 Shadow of California 27 Joan Crawford has risen from the Grave 28 Heavy Metal (Black and Silver) 29 (Don't Fear) the Reaper 30 Burning for you 31 Take Me Away 32 Extra Terrestrial Intelligence Any disagreements? Arguments? Tracks from Club Ninja? Anyone seriously prepared to argue that the Workshop of the Telescopes set is great as it stands? - Mike Godwin From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Jun 11 07:31:25 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:31:25 +0100 Subject: BOC: SLC concert review [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: (On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, M R Godwin wrote: A new song by Buck which was a bit boring except for the guitar solo in a different time, Reaper-style) On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Hardman DK wrote: > For shame, for shame!! IMHO Buck's new one, Harvest Moon, is destined to > be something of a classic. In Goldmine Sandy Pearlman says that Buck has > written "maybe seven songs of genius, including Harvest Moon". But I > would admit that it probably has to be heard a couple of times or so to > be fully appreciated (I have a tape of the studio version :-) MG replies: Fair enough, I only heard it once. Maybe one day it will be released and I will get used to it. The way I remember it, the guitar solo was startling, flamboyant, all the things you get from Buck when he's on form. But unlike 'See you in black', it didn't IMMEDIATELY strike me as having a memorable tune or riff. From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Jun 11 08:15:56 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:15:56 +0100 Subject: Harvest Moon (Was Re: BOC: SLC concert review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, M R Godwin wrote: > MG replies: Fair enough, I only heard [Harvest Moon] once. Maybe one day it will be > released and I will get used to it. The way I remember it, the guitar solo > was startling, flamboyant, all the things you get from Buck when he's on > form. But unlike 'See you in black', it didn't IMMEDIATELY strike me as > having a memorable tune or riff. > It's the lyrics dude! The song just has a great atmosphere.....You listen to the lyrics and think "Wow, that's kinda mysterious, what's it all about?" Here's my best shot at remembering them....[Note: these are not official lyrics and may be wrong] This place has a history The Spaniards settled here They burned the town and fields They moved away from here My grandma often told me She knew it peaceful here The war took all the vigour War took the best from here When the wind turns And blows the leaves from the trees (Harvest Moon) I see the days grow shorter I feel the nights grow cold (Harvest Moon) Young people feeling restless Old people feeling old (Harvest Moon) I see the darkness clearer [glimmer?] I feel a presence here (Harvest Moon) A change in the weather I love this time of year The Colbys worked that valley They gave that land a go They built a thriving business Then came that early snow They lost their livestock that year They lost their sheep and goats They sold the farm in springtime Went south to work for boats [??] When the wind turns And blows the leaves from the trees (Harvest Moon) I see the days grow shorter [.....etc....] [Guitar solo] Ten years in this farmhouse Ten years come this may My simple needs are covered Since grandma passed away Long time since there's been trouble That's what the people say I told the new man When I sold the farm today When the wind turns And blows the leaves from the trees (Harvest Moon) I see the days grow shorter I feel the nights grow cold (Harvest Moon) Young people feeling restless Old people feeling old (Harvest Moon) I see the darkness clearer I feel a presence here (Harvest Moon) A change in the weather I sense such evil here (Harvest Moon) I hear some startling noises I don't go out at night (Harvest Moon) Since Barlow's [Margot's??] youngest daughter Disappeared from sight (Harvest Moon) I know they'll find her some day They find them all that way (Harvest Moon) After the thaw in springtime The snow melts away (Harvest Moon) I see the darkness clearer I feel a presence here (Harvest Moon) A change in the weather I love this time of year IMO a truly great song. What starts out as an interesting story suddenly turns into the X-files or Stephen King in the second half, but without any resolution or explanation. The truth is out there..... Dave From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jun 11 08:13:12 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:13:12 -0400 Subject: 32 tracks Message-ID: >Any disagreements? Arguments? Tracks from Club Ninja? Anyone seriously >prepared to argue that the Workshop of the Telescopes set is great as it >stands? Well, I still think it is great as it stands, despite some omissions. I went on a rampage about their treatment of Cultosaurus, say, awhile back, but there is no one answer (Cagey Cretins? uh...). At a glance I'd say how can you leave off "Before the Kiss..."? I'm sure everyone has their own preference list. I'm sure most would not care for my desire to have "Redeemed" on such a set. We could do another poll, but I'd hold off for the next lull before trying it... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Jun 11 08:58:14 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:58:14 -0400 Subject: BOC: Meltzer Message-ID: Has anyone seen, yea even read, this novel of his [_The Night (Alone)_]? Sounds like a hoot! - Andy ObCD: Man - _The Twang Dynasty_ From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Jun 11 14:01:25 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:01:25 BST Subject: HW: Langtree again Message-ID: > > However the guy running the festival (Alex Duncan) apparently owns and > runs a recording studio from his Mum's farm and has many music contacts > with bands in the area. He used to have his own band "Circle of Hands" > but this has broken up now. Hey, I've met the guy....he turned up to a New Model Army gig in Bournemouth and gave out loads of CDs hoping to get a new singer. > > They have had two previous festivals (the Summer Daze festivals) which > were successful and are putting on this one in the absence of > Glastonbury this year. It was advertised in Melody Maker last week but > tickets probably won't be on sale until about 1st July - there may be a > London distributor. Likely cost is aroudn 10.00 pounds. > The festival according to MM's festival guide is as follows:- Summer Daze '96 Stapleton Farm Langtree, Torrington, North Devon. Hawkwind, Trip (ex-Tribal Drift), Out To Lunch, Circle Groove, Tribal Re-Awakening, Jelly Babies, and many more. Tickets availbale from the 1st of July from Chris at Fish Creativity 0181 459 0331 (office) 0956 428 554 (mobile) bye - Rob From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 11 09:02:01 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:02:01 -0400 Subject: Message to Boston area BOC/tBS fans Message-ID: No, I did not see the Astronomy CD single - this is one item I'm always on the lookout for as I know there are probably several people who would like to get a copy - if I see one, BOC-Lers will be the first to know. Also - for Brain Surgeons fans, as I mentioned yesterday - Tower Records in Cambridge had a copy of *Trepanation* for sale. I forgot to mention that the Tower Records in Boston had a copy of *Eponymous* for sale. John From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Jun 11 08:07:49 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 23:07:49 +1100 Subject: Fifth Second of Forever: Film???? Message-ID: On 10 Jun 96 Christian Mumford wrote about Fifth Second of Forever: Film????: > In the HW discography this track off "Levitation" is listed as a > soundtrack... anybody know anything about this film and how it can be > obtained??? I asked Brian Tawn (Hawkfan) this question last year, and he asked Dave .... they just thought it sounded good at the time (Dave can't remember where the idea came from), but there is *no* film :( Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Tue Jun 11 09:05:19 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 23:05:19 +1000 Subject: Millionaire rebels? In-Reply-To: <260C9637C4B@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > Right! Metallica trying to look tough/disenfranchised etc. is in the > same league as folks like Pearl Jam et al trying to maintain their > 'alternative' status while now firmly entrenched members of the power > capitalist elite. How can you be a rebel when you're a millionaire, > or how can you promote your music as alternative when millions are > buying it? Pal, you've just become the establishment! > theo > I'll drink to that! I reckon they should dress up in business suits, too! Just think of the new audience they could reach! :-) Troy From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jun 11 09:10:41 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:10:41 -0400 Subject: BOC: Meltzer Message-ID: >Has anyone seen, yea even read, this novel of his [_The Night (Alone)_]? > Sounds like a hoot! I read some excerpts, and his article about it from "Addicted To Noise." Generally his articles on ATN are weird, but always entertaining, if at times overly cynical... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 11 09:40:58 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:40:58 -0400 Subject: 32 tracks Message-ID: Mike lists his choices of what should have been on WOTT I won't give a detailed commentary about all of it, and I've expressed my opinions on WOTT before, but I feel I should say the following: 1. As I've said before, to really cover all of BOC's best, WOTT had to be at least a *3 CD* set - you just can't get all of BOC's best stuff, including their singles, and a few rare things on 2 CDs. IMHO, the following absolutely needed to be part of this package: a. Hot Rails to Hell -- This was a MAJOR sin of omission. b. At least one or two tunes from *Imaginos* - "Astronomy", and "In the Presence of Another World" were released as singles, so they needed to be on there, and probably "I Am the One You Warned Me Of" should have been on as well. c. If they wanted to put the "Bootleg" songs on, then "Cities on Flame" from that EP should have also been included. d. Last Days of May - definitely should have been on. e. Black Blade and/or Divine Wind from *Cultosaurus*, I would've liked "Monsters" too. f. Perhaps something from "Flat Out" should have been on the set. g. They should of used the live (SEE) version of "Astronomy" h. I would have prefered the studio version of "Harvester of Eyes", with the musicbox seque into "Flaming Telpaths" kept intact. 2. As I've also said before, this package really wasn't aimed at the hard-core BOC fan, but the more casual listener. It's pretty well-suited for that, but for those of us who already have everything, this doesn't add much to our collections. 3. Debbie Denise? Hmm... I don't think that should be on a "best of BOC" package. ;-) However, I do like some of the other suggestions, most notably "Lips in the Hills", "Quicklime Girl", "Nosferatu", "Unknown Tongue", "Heavy Metal", and "Shadow of California". I think also that the following should be considered: "The Vigil", "Tattoo Vampire", "The Revenge of Vera Gemini", "Feel the Thunder", and "Death Valley Nights" John From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Tue Jun 11 14:45:18 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:45:18 BST Subject: OFF: Millionaire rebels? Message-ID: Troy writes : "I reckon they should dress up in business suits, too! Just think of the new audience they could reach!" While I agree Metallica _are_ now cashing in, compared to, say, Master of Puppets, I think the simple millionare=suit=no longer 'cool' is a rather patronising argument. BOC & HW no longer sell many albums, but they certainly did back in the 70's. Would older fans still have slagged off new fans for jumping on the bandwagon ? I would hope not. If a band makes cool music, no matter how rich / poor , then they should be judged for that, not the size of their wads ;-) BTW I've only heard 2 of the songs off 'Load' : 2 by 4 I heard at Donington, and thought it was v. poor, & 'Bleeding Me' on Fluff Freeman's radio show, which I thought was ok. From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Jun 11 09:55:50 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:55:50 +0100 Subject: 32 tracks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I find it easier to consider possible anthologies in chronological order. Here's my attempt: Transmaniacon MC Stairway to the Stars Cities on Flame Before the Kiss, A Redcap (actually, I quite like the live version from the Nugget's [sp?] Pizza Parlour tape) Workshop of the Telescopes The Red & the Black Hot Rails to Hell Dominance and Submission ME262 Flaming Telepaths Then Came the Last Days of May (live) Buck's Boogie (live) 7 Screaming Dizbusters (live) ETI (Don't Fear) The Reaper Tenderloin Godzilla I Love the Night Nosferatu Astronomy (live) Moon Crazy The Vigil Black Blade Monsters Fire of Unknown Origin Joan Crawford Veteran of the Psychic Wars (live) Take Me Away Shadow of California 32 Perfect Water 33 Magna of Illusion 34 Blue Oyster Cult I originally composed this list without counting the number of tracks, and I ended up with 34. However, to comply with the original 32 track stipulation I decided to be ruthless, and omitted White Flags and Don't Turn Your Back. As I mentioned, this is a chronological ordering, though that's not to say I'd want them ordered this way on record. Although my list is quite different from M R Godwin's list, I think his ain't a bad list with 2 exceptions -- Debbie Denise (!!!???), and Del Rio's Song (good but not a classic). I also prefer Blue Oyster Cult to The Subhuman. Dave From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue Jun 11 10:03:56 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:03:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: Meltzer In-Reply-To: <960611085813_132479930@emout12.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jun 11, 96 08:58:14 am Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > Has anyone seen, yea even read, this novel of his [_The Night (Alone)_]? > Sounds like a hoot! Actually I have a copy, courtesy of Deb Frost. I started reading it, but I found that it only reads well in snippets. I spent the better part of an evening reading random passages from it, and it seemed brilliant, obscene, self-indulgent, and delightfully wicked. The trouble is that if you read too much of it in the proper sequence, then "self-indulgent" starts to edge out the rest of its qualities. I'm not sure if I would recommend acquiring a copy or not. I suppose it depends how much tolerance you have for that sort of smug counter- culture literature, and how much purely scholarly interest you might have in watching one of the rock-n-roll's great (side)lights pick his nose in public, and flick the bits at you. Steve swann at panix.com From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Jun 11 10:47:52 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:47:52 -0400 Subject: BOC: Meltzer Message-ID: Steve said, re: _The Night (Alone)_ > I spent the better >part of an evening reading random passages from it, and it seemed >brilliant, obscene, self-indulgent, and delightfully wicked. So he hasn't changed much since _Gulcher_, then... >I'm not sure if I would recommend acquiring a copy or not. Sounds amusing, at least - I guess I'll pick it up if I see it in paperback. Lord knows I buy enough other crap :) - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Jun 11 10:54:03 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:54:03 -0400 Subject: 32 tracks Message-ID: If I had to pick BOC's best 32 tracks, I'd be very tempted by: Tyranny & Mutation Secret Treaties Some Enchanted Evening Imaginos :) Andy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 11 12:06:59 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:06:59 EST Subject: 32 tracks Message-ID: > If I had to pick BOC's best 32 tracks, I'd be very tempted by: > > Tyranny & Mutation > Secret Treaties > Some Enchanted Evening > Imaginos > > :) > > Andy Say no more! Except ya can't really count 'Imaginos' as BOC material. theo From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Jun 11 16:29:48 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:29:48 BST Subject: HW: Nik T birthday bash Message-ID: According to MM the Harvest Fair at Tregroes Moor, Fishguard on 23-26 August has Nik Turner's Birthday show. Unfortunately it features His Fantastic All-Stars. bye - Rob From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Jun 11 11:39:09 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:39:09 -0400 Subject: HW: Nik T birthday bash Message-ID: > According to MM the Harvest Fair at Tregroes Moor, Fishguard > on 23-26 August has Nik Turner's Birthday show. Unfortunately > it features His Fantastic All-Stars. ....backed up by the asthmatic water-fowls? ;-) > > bye - Rob Martyn From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Jun 11 16:42:54 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:42:54 BST Subject: 32 tracks In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:54:03 -0400 Message-ID: > Some Enchanted Evening I tried this album, but I could never get past "R U Ready 2 Rock". What a dreadful song! I guess I'll stick to Hawkwind. Dave. From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Tue Jun 11 08:54:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:54:00 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: >Given that specification I'd suggest: >Choose Your Masks >Coded Languages >Rocky Paths >Virgin of the World >Angels of Death >Void City >Living on a Knife Edge >Dream Worker >Farenheit 451 >Waiting For Tomorrow >Arrival In Utopia >FoFP With this track listing it almost looks like that Angels of Death compilation, but I'd get it anyway :-) Chris From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jun 11 21:04:17 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:04:17 PDT Subject: HW: Dutch gigs Message-ID: Sorry guys, the HW gigs at Utrecht - Tivoli and Rotterdam - Nighttown have been cancelled. I have called the Arnhem - Luxor, but they don't know anything about a HW gig. It is possible that the gig will take place at another venue, but I do not know any other venues in Arnhem. Bernhard, do you know the venue HW were supposed to be playing? So, the only confirmed gigs are Amsterdam - Paradiso and Tilburg - Noorderligt. See you in Amsterdam, Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jun 11 01:49:44 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:49:44 PDT Subject: OFF: Doors tapes Message-ID: >Jerry wrote: >> Er... Doors tapes. Which ones? Christian replied: >Live in Sweden, 1967 (poor quality) I guess this should be from September 1968, recorded during their first European tour. Could you give me the tracks please? >Crawling King Snakes, 1966/7 (?) (poor/ok quality) Recorded at The Matrix, San Francisco, March 1967. I have all the recordings from The Matrix (four CDs) in very good quality. >Live and Unreleased (From the inside), 1967-69 (italian bootleg, > bad-good quality) Ouch, the From The Inside boot. Loads of snippets of recordings. Not too good. >Build Me a Woman, Live 1970 (italian bootleg, very good quality) Tracks, please! Thanks, Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jun 11 02:02:54 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:02:54 PDT Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: Hi Manuel, >Do you plan on compiling all known BOC tour dates in this basesite? Er, that was part of the plan, yes. Actually, that was the single initial reason to do it. So many questions about tour dates... Someone had to do it! :-) >If so, there are ALOT of sources that I can contribute regarding tour >dates. For example, Bolle's tape list (which was mentioned) I have Bolle's list. I will include his info after I have typed in all my tapes. I don't have all the time I wish I had, but we'll get there. Especially with people like you. We need everyone participating in this, to compile the most extensive BOCbase; include all info that is too much to be included in the faq. >and my own >list and collection of ticket stubs, flyers, newspaper ads. That would be great! Don't think all the info will be included very soon, but I'll do my best. >Let me know if you would be interested. Cheers, Jerry From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Tue Jun 11 11:10:59 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:10:59 -0400 Subject: Stupid non-relevant and relevant questions Message-ID: Hello-- I was wondering whether folks here could give me answers to the following questions. 1) Is there any way to get 32 bit Netscape working in Windows 3.1 (w/ win32s)? 2) I'd like to order some of the new EMI Hawkwind remasters. Any suggestions? Thanks, Guido -- The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The Name that can be named is not the eternal Name. From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Jun 11 12:24:43 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:24:43 +0200 Subject: HW: Dutch gigs Message-ID: Jerry! >Bernhard, do you know the venue HW were supposed to be playing? on 28.06.1996 they should play in UTRECHT or ARNHEM >So, the only confirmed gigs are Amsterdam - Paradiso and Tilburg - >Noorderligt. Only 2 gigs in Holland now? Can't believe it Could you please check out some more venues? Thanks Bernhard From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jun 11 13:21:31 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:21:31 -0400 Subject: 32 tracks Message-ID: >> Some Enchanted Evening > >I tried this album, but I could never get past "R U Ready 2 Rock". >What a dreadful song! The song is probably mainly misunderstood, I believe. I like it, and it is actually part of the Imaginos saga.... I believe it to be a song about a song being sung during a time with some kind of countdown to an apocalypse, and parodies itself until the "I only live to be born again..." part, which I believe would be what the imaginos character does during this time, since he cannot die during this conflagaration. I didn't like it initially either, but I do like it now... and you can't stop before getting to the SEE Astronomy.... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Tue Jun 11 13:51:18 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:51:18 -0400 Subject: HW: future reconstructions Message-ID: Saw this in ear at xmission.com's pre-order list: *Hawkwind-Future Reconstructions DLP/CD EBSSLP117/EBSCD117 $18.00/$18.00 Hawkwind's best known tracks remixed by Utah Saints, Zion Train, Salt Tank, Luke Slater's Translucent, Knights of the Occasional Table, Optic Eye, and many udders. 10 track CD, and 6 track DLP which has an exclusive, vinyl-only Astralasia remix. Should appeal to the trad hairball space-rock freaks as well as twinkle-toe dance geeks. (Emergency Broadcast System) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 11 14:53:28 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:53:28 EST Subject: SEE Message-ID: > >> Some Enchanted Evening > > > >I tried this album, but I could never get past "R U Ready 2 Rock". > >What a dreadful song! > > The song is probably mainly misunderstood, I believe. I like it, and it is > actually part of the Imaginos saga.... I believe it to be a song about a > song being sung during a time with some kind of countdown to an apocalypse, > and parodies itself until the "I only live to be born again..." part, which > I believe would be what the imaginos character does during this time, since > he cannot die during this conflagaration. I didn't like it initially > either, but I do like it now... and you can't stop before getting to the > SEE Astronomy.... > > +-------------------------------------------------------+ > Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" > Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused And, I'd argue the SEE version of DFtR is worthwhile as well. theo From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Jun 11 14:24:09 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:24:09 +0200 Subject: Space Ritual Message-ID: Hello >An easy question I'm sure: No, it is not easy unfortunately >What dates where the tracks ofn the Space Ritual recorded Liverpool = 22.12.1972 Brixton = 30.12.1972 >which where Liverpool stadium and which where Brixton Sundown ? Very difficult to answer What I know is this: - Sapce Ritual I (SR I) was recorded on both days - Space Ritual II (SR II) was recorded in Brixton - SR I: Time We Left = Liverpool - SR I: Orgone Accumulator = Liverpool Thats all I know. Sorry Bernhard From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Jun 11 14:26:26 1996 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:26:26 -0400 Subject: BOC: SLC concert review Message-ID: Goldmine is published by Krause Publications, the same people who publish the Comics Buyers Guide. SET From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 11 14:46:43 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:46:43 -0400 Subject: BOC: Meltzer Message-ID: The other interesting quality about Meltzer's book is that it has a version of the poem, "Hansel & Gretel", which The Brain Surgeons worked into a song. The poem is a bit different from the lyrics used by Deb and Al on *Trepanation*. John From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jun 11 14:43:41 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:43:41 -0400 Subject: HW: levitation lyric Message-ID: Um, just listening again to Levitation, one my favorite 'hawks albums, and couldn't make out the last line before the chorus first time around in the song "Who's gonna win the war...." Lonly figures waiting Shadows on the hill Looking into violence where everything is still only death is lurking Grim?? ?? ??? ??? So, who's gonna win the war, now who... (chorus...) Can anyone help me with this? +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Tue Jun 11 20:10:48 1996 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:10:48 BST Subject: HW: levitation lyric Message-ID: Only death is lurking The creeping sickness waits OK Keith. From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jun 11 15:09:46 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:09:46 -0400 Subject: BOC Math problem Message-ID: This came up when a friend's kid was doing some math problems about combinations and factorials, so we came up with this problem: Given: You need one drummer, one person playing bass, a lead guitar, another guitar, and one set of keyboards, and one of these has to double as a singer... (we'll leave stun guitar out of this for simplicity's sake)... How many ways can Blue Oyster Cult (original lineup) meet these requirements? (remember, after you get all the instruments, multiply by number of possible singers)... Well, I wasn't certain about the others playing bass or Joe playing the other stuff (he plays mandolin on Trep, right?) but I assumed they could if need be..... And, we have to accept that Allen could, in a pinch, sing, as True Confessions is evidence to... Anyways, it was an amusing way to put this in perspective, even if the kid responded with "what is blue oyster cult?"..... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 11 20:23:52 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:23:52 BST Subject: HW: levitation lyric In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:43:41 -0400 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > Lonly figures waiting > Shadows on the hill > Looking into violence > where everything is still > only death is lurking > Grim?? ?? ??? ??? > So, who's gonna win the war, now > who... (chorus...) > > Can anyone help me with this? >From the [ahem... cough...Lyrics File (TM)] Lonely figures waiting, shadows on the hill Looking into valleys where everything is still Only death is lurking, the creeping sickness waits So who's gonna win the war, now Who's gonna win the war, now Who's gonna win the, who's gonna win the Who's gonna win the war Radiation wastelands in the setting sun Dust clouds they are gathering to obliterate the guns Already weeds are writing their scriptures in the sand So who's gonna win the war, now Who's gonna win the war, now Who's gonna win the, who's gonna win the Who's gonna win the war. jill ======================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 11 20:26:23 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:26:23 BST Subject: HW: future reconstructions In-Reply-To: Ken Alexander's message of Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:51:18 -0400 Message-ID: Ken Alexander writes: > Saw this in ear at xmission.com's pre-order list: > > *Hawkwind-Future Reconstructions DLP/CD EBSSLP117/EBSCD117 $18.00/$18.00 > Hawkwind's best known tracks remixed by Utah Saints, Zion Train, Salt > Tank, Luke Slater's Translucent, Knights of the Occasional Table, Optic > Eye, and many udders. 10 track CD, and 6 track DLP which has an > exclusive, vinyl-only Astralasia remix. Should appeal to the trad > hairball space-rock freaks as well as twinkle-toe dance geeks. > (Emergency Broadcast System) This sounds like it's the remixes album that's due out on the 24th June. C&D were expressing doubt that this date would be met tho' so don't get too optimistic 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 11 20:31:39 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:31:39 BST Subject: Stupid non-relevant and relevant questions In-Reply-To: Guido Vacano's message of Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:10:59 -0400 Message-ID: Guido Vacano writes: > > 2) I'd like to order some of the new EMI Hawkwind > remasters. Any suggestions? > all of them....! Definitely Hawkwind 1 for its clarity of sound. After that choose your favourite from In Search of Space, Doremi or Space Ritual. They are all excellent. Some folk really like Hall of the Mountain Grill - but it's not my favourite tho' it's been remastered to the same high quality as the rest. enjoy jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Jun 11 16:53:27 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 22:53:27 +0200 Subject: Patti Smith on TV Message-ID: >Did anyone catch Patti Smith on BBC2 on Saturday? ("Later" with Jools >Holland). > >She was pretty damn good, star quality written all over her. She did an >unaccompanied reading of "People have the Power" and then a song from the >new album, the title of which I forget. > >The only disappointment was that she only did the one spot, whereas >everybody else on the programme did two; also I was hoping to hear Tom >Verlaine let rip, but on this show he just played a straight backing part. > >Dave > BTW, Patti Smith is playing Roskilde Festival in Denmark.[...and I've got a ticket!!!] Is anybody else going there? Christian maybe? Jerry? -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Jun 11 14:16:12 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:16:12 +0000 Subject: Stupid non-relevant and relevant questions Message-ID: Guido Vacano wrote: > > Hello-- > > I was wondering whether folks here could give me answers to the > following questions. > > 1) Is there any way to get 32 bit Netscape working in > Windows 3.1 (w/ win32s)?if you bought nnetscape 2.0 on floppies,it is divided for use w/ either win95 or win3.1. there are 6 disks. you only use half of them. From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Jun 11 14:18:13 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:18:13 +0000 Subject: HW: levitation lyric Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > Um, just listening again to Levitation, one my favorite > 'hawks albums, and couldn't make out the last line before > the chorus first time around in the song "Who's gonna win the > war...." > > Lonly figures waiting > Shadows on the hill > Looking into violence THAT SHOULD BE VALLEYS > where everything is still > only death is lurking THE WEEPING SICKNESS WAITS, SO > Grim?? ?? ??? ??? > So, who's gonna win the war, now > who... (chorus...) From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Jun 11 18:28:44 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:28:44 -0600 Subject: Welcome Jack! In-Reply-To: <31BD2486.6935@televar.com> Message-ID: Jack & Alma; Glad to hear from you. Graveyard shifts suck!!! When I was working my way through college, I used to work swing shift at a cabinet shop in Riverside, CA, and that was better that graveyard. Your web page was recently discivered by Jean & I. We really enjoy the photo postings that you did. I believe that I saw one or two of those photos at the BBQ. Yes, the BBQ was way cool. I also enjoyed watching those old Imaginos vids from 88-89. Can't believe all the leather and hair Buck had. I wonder if he were to see this video if he would be embarrades by his get up? However, the music was GREAT. I also agree with you that it would be awesome to get to hear something like I Am The One You Warned Me Of played live again. Anyways, Imaginos is a part of BOC that I consider supurb, regardless of the pros and cons as to weather or not it was actually a BOC record. Anyways, have fun on the BOC-L. By the way, did you make the Reno and/or Vegas shows? God bless... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From stayer at PI.NET Wed Jun 12 02:27:53 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 23:27:53 PDT Subject: same Jack Message-ID: Jack, >http://j-and-a.com/boc.html I have not been able to access the page. Is something wrong, or did I just happen to have some server problems and should I try again? TTYL, Jerry From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Jun 11 18:36:46 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:36:46 -0600 Subject: Harvest Moon (Was Re: BOC: SLC concert review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have heard Harvest Moon in concert now for the past 4 years, and it keeps sounding better to me. However, wasn't it written way back in the 80's some time? The original demo was played at the BBQ; if you think that it rocks live or on a live tape, wait till you hear it in studio form. Brilliant!! God bless... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Jun 11 18:47:46 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:47:46 -0600 Subject: BOCbase In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just let me know when and I'll break out all the info I have on tour dates. I concur with you comment that there is not enough time, but when you begin I'll be more that happy to provide the info that I have for you and the people on the list to see as well. God bless... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From dahl at MAIL.AROS.NET Tue Jun 11 19:14:08 1996 From: dahl at MAIL.AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:14:08 -0600 Subject: BOC: SLC concert review Message-ID: At 12:24 PM 6/10/96 -0600, you wrote: >Sounds like it was a great show. I grew up in LA in the 70's/80's, >and I did attend the Cultosaurus Show at Long Beach that year, as well >as many other shows in So Cal. Anyways, I don't recall them doing Lips, >but they did do Marshall Plan, Black Blade, and Devine Wind that night. > >Can you tell me (for historical purposes) the name of the venue in which >BOC played in SLC, please? I keep track of all of the tour dates, venues, >ect,. > >Thank you.... > >Manuel > >Jean Delacour >University of New Mexico >Parish Library >Alb, NM 87131-1496 >delacour at unm.edu > Manuel, Thanks for your comments. One thing in life I wish I could do over is go to that concert back in 1980. I was very disappointed cause they pretty much dropped all material from that album from the shows. The Club they played at here was Club 90. It probably won't be here the next time they come through. The previous 2 clubs they played at here folded before they could come back. The club biz is tough here in Utah. The local governments make it tough on them. I love New Mexico. The best food in the world! See ya, Brad From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Tue Jun 11 19:19:45 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 00:19:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Fifth Second of Forever: Film???? In-Reply-To: <960610080731_214103786@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Reply to Andy Gilham about HW: Re: Fifth Second of Forever: Film???? >I believe it's been established that there is no film, that it just seemed >like a cool thing to put on the sleeve. Sorry! >The latest "trivia" file (with lots of this sort of stuff) is now available >from Paul (Sonique's) HW site. >- Andy If I remember correctly an old issue of Hawkfan mentioned this. Apparently it wasn't for a film at all but... Sometime later it WAS actually used as incidental music in some film about bikers. Can't remember the title though. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed Jun 12 10:39:49 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:39:49 EST Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com In-Reply-To: <199606091344.XAA21461@uluru.ozonline.com.au>; from "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=" at Jun 10, 96 11:44:13 pm Message-ID: > > On 7 Jun 96 M Holmes wrote about Re: HW: www.hawkwind.com: > > > > Phew! I'm safe > > > > I dunno. Obviously you should get Brock so mad that he'll fly to > > Australia to sort you out. Then tell 'im if he's coming anyway, the band > > might as well tour.... > > Sounds like a plan! ;^) > > Sonique > > -- > Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long > R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may > mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they > http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! > I'll be in it. regards Marty From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Jun 11 21:18:19 1996 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (kronos7) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:18:19 -0700 Subject: DR. Music Song key? Message-ID: Hey people, I was wondreing if anyone knows what key the song Dr. Music is in. Or what key harmonica is used on the song. Thankx much Joel From hdboc at TELEVAR.COM Tue Jun 11 21:25:49 1996 From: hdboc at TELEVAR.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:25:49 -0700 Subject: same Jack Message-ID: Jerry, That address should work. I don't know what the problem was, server could of been down for awhile or something, but please try again. best, Jack Jerry wrote: > > Jack, > > >http://j-and-a.com/boc.html > I have not been able to access the page. Is something wrong, or did I just > happen to have some server problems and should I try again? > > TTYL, > Jerry From KEVIN at TWOMBLEY.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 11 19:54:39 1996 From: KEVIN at TWOMBLEY.DEMON.CO.UK (Kevin F Mcdade) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 23:54:39 GMT Subject: OFF: Millionaire rebels? In-Reply-To: <9606111345.AA00441@icarus.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:45:18 BST, you wrote: >Troy writes : > >>While I agree Metallica _are_ now cashing in, compared to, say, Master of Puppets, etc.... I have to agree with this chap. I happen to like "Load", as I'm sure do rather a lot of people. If a band make good music, they may sell large numbers of records and become rich. I'm sure that part of the attraction of HW for some people is their lack of significant commercial success and the 'alternative' thing. Don't get me wrong; I have enjoyed HW since I bought 'Warrior..' in the mid 70s. My favourite band tweedly deedly but anyway- aren't Metallica NOT HW or BOC? love twombley From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed Jun 12 17:26:39 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:26:39 EST Subject: gooday In-Reply-To: <199606071427.AAA13303@uluru.ozonline.com.au>; from "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=" at Jun 9, 96 00:32:38 am Message-ID: > > On 8 Jun 96 Troy Harris wrote about gooday: > > > Hi fans! > > Gidday Troy! > > That's three Melburnites on the list (even if one is an import!) > Dont be so hard on yourself Paul,the latrobe valley isn't that far away ;-) Hi troy and welcome,and does anyone on the list know why Tim Blake didn't perform with Gong in the USA ? regards Marty obcd hopefully tonight:HW-love in space(and hopefully 2 different cd's) From dahl at MAIL.AROS.NET Wed Jun 12 03:03:52 1996 From: dahl at MAIL.AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 01:03:52 -0600 Subject: DR. Music Song key? Message-ID: At 06:18 PM 6/11/96 -0700, you wrote: >Hey people, > I was wondreing if anyone knows what key the >song Dr. Music is in. Or what key harmonica is >used on the song. Thankx much > > > Joel > >Joel, The song is in the key of E. If you need any more help, Email me directly. Brad Dahl From hdboc at TELEVAR.COM Wed Jun 12 03:52:52 1996 From: hdboc at TELEVAR.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 00:52:52 -0700 Subject: BÖC Message-ID: Manuel, Thanks for the welcome! Yes, you probably saw the same pictures at the bbq. It was the first time I took a camera to a show with me. I'll do it every time now. I'll just wear the bbq backstage pass and claim to be the band photographer:) No, I couldn't go to Vegas or Reno. I've had to work every day since I got back from Santa Rosa. Sounded like a good time was had by all though. Jack From M.J.Wade at NEWCASTLE.AC.UK Wed Jun 12 10:37:18 1996 From: M.J.Wade at NEWCASTLE.AC.UK (Spiky Quills In The Arboretum) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:37:18 GMT0BST Subject: Hawkwind Cymbaline Message-ID: I was curious to see the track "Cymbaline" by Pink Floyd on the "Hawkwind" remaster CD. Any explanations? Matt ======================================================= I gaped in absolute terror as I stared into the things eyes- two opulant obsidian orbs from hell!! ======================================================= From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jun 12 05:43:53 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:43:53 +0200 Subject: HW: LIS:Booooooring (yes I'm late) Message-ID: I'm a little late here (I just joined the list when the LIS discussion was ebbing out). Just purchased Love In Space yesterday, great fold-out sleeve, fantastic artwork. Too bad its so damn boring!! Personally, I thought Alien 4 wasn't so great either, and Its the Business of The Future To Be Dangerous sucked. Electric Tepee and The Business Trip, on the other hand, were great in my opinion. I feel those are the only two decent HW releases this decade. HW just seem to bee noodling away on automatic with tapes and pre-programmed stuff, it all sounds so samey. The shows are fun to attend, but the records are just a tad too ho-hum. They should concentrate less on quantity and more on quality I feel. I also purchase BOC's Workshop of The Telescopes (I only owned Career of Evil before), and, being not excactly a "fan", I was intrigued by much of the early/mid period stuf, but some stuff was a little too dated (the mid-80s stuff in particular) sounding. Overall pretty good tho'. Also purchased Fu Manchu's "In Search of...". OK Monster Magnet/Kyuss type grungy space-rock. I only have Kyuss' first album (which I like alot)... would anybody recommend their other(s)? Dope to infinity, Christian From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jun 12 06:27:40 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:27:40 +0100 Subject: HW: LIS:Booooooring (yes I'm late) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:43:53 +0200." <31BE9159.735D@eunet.no> Message-ID: > thought Alien 4 wasn't so great either, and Its the Business of The > Future To Be Dangerous sucked. Electric Tepee and The Business Trip, on > the other hand, were great in my opinion. I feel those are the only two > decent HW releases this decade. HW just seem to bee noodling away on > automatic with tapes and pre-programmed stuff, it all sounds so samey. > The shows are fun to attend, but the records are just a tad too ho-hum. For the same reasons I have the opposite opinion - spacey programmed music is great to listen to at home but it makes the gig pretty tedious. (I haven't heard either Alien 4 or LIS, but I seem to be one of the few who thought ITBOTFTBD was rather cool) > Also purchased Fu Manchu's "In Search of...". OK Monster Magnet/Kyuss > type grungy space-rock. I only have Kyuss' first album (which I like > alot)... would anybody recommend their other(s)? *Rush* out and buy "Welcome to Sky Valley" if you liked "Blues for the Red Sun". Whether you get their last one depends on how rabid a kyuss fan you are, since its a bit patchy - some good tracks though, like Phototropic, Catermeran.. How many releases have Fu Manchu made & which is their best ? I recall folks on the now-defunct kyuss list mentioning these guys... Tim From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Jun 12 03:05:38 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 07:05:38 +0000 Subject: HW: LIS:Booooooring (yes I'm late) Message-ID: bart wrote: > > > thought Alien 4 wasn't so great either, and Its the Business of The > > Future To Be Dangerous sucked. Electric Tepee and The Business Trip, on > > the other hand, were great in my opinion. I feel those are the only two > > decent HW releases this decade. HW just seem to bee noodling away on > > automatic with tapes and pre-programmed stuff, it all sounds so samey. > > The shows are fun to attend, but the records are just a tad too ho-hum. > > For the same reasons I have the opposite opinion - spacey programmed music > is great to listen to at home but it makes the gig pretty tedious. (I haven't > heard either Alien 4 or LIS, but I seem to be one of the few who thought > ITBOTFTBD was rather cool) > > > Also purchased Fu Manchu's "In Search of...". OK Monster Magnet/Kyuss > > type grungy space-rock. I only have Kyuss' first album (which I like > > alot)... would anybody recommend their other(s)? > > *Rush* out and buy "Welcome to Sky Valley" if you liked "Blues for the Red > Sun". ---------------------------------------------------------------- . . i concur. rj From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jun 12 07:17:22 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:17:22 +0200 Subject: OFF: Kyuss Message-ID: I only have Kyuss' first album (which I like > > > alot)... would anybody recommend their other(s)? > > > > *Rush* out and buy "Welcome to Sky Valley" if you liked "Blues for the Red > > Sun". Oh.. I have "Welcome to Sky Valley".. I thought that was the first one. I know there's one called "As the Circus Leaves town...". I picked up Welcome... because it sounded so Monster Magnetesque (my all time second-favorite band!!). Could anybody provide a Kyuss discography? Or are there only the thre albums mentioned? Christian PS! I'm looking for the "Dopes to Infinity" CD single by MM. Anybody got an extra one or know where I can get one? From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jun 12 07:19:18 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:19:18 +0200 Subject: OFF: Fu Manchu Message-ID: > How many releases have Fu Manchu made & which is their best ? I recall folks > on the now-defunct kyuss list mentioning these guys... > I believe "In Search of..." is their first? I don't know. Christian From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jun 12 07:40:28 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:40:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Kyuss In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:17:22 +0200." <31BEA742.20B0@eunet.no> Message-ID: > > > *Rush* out and buy "Welcome to Sky Valley" if you liked "Blues for the Red > > > Sun". > > Oh.. I have "Welcome to Sky Valley".. I thought that was the first one. > I know there's one called "As the Circus Leaves town...". I picked up > Welcome... because it sounded so Monster Magnetesque (my all time > second-favorite band!!). Could anybody provide a Kyuss discography? > Or are there only the thre albums mentioned? There are 3 albums of kyuss as you'd know them, plus a previous one before they fully defined their sound. All you want to know is at - http://www.be.com./~dbg/stuff/txt/music/kyuss/ Tim From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 12 07:46:38 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:46:38 +0100 Subject: HW: LIS:Booooooring (yes I'm late) In-Reply-To: <31BE6C42.4074@ix.netcom.com> from "SKARSOL" at Jun 12, 96 07:05:38 am Message-ID: > > > Also purchased Fu Manchu's "In Search of...". OK Monster Magnet/Kyuss > > > type grungy space-rock. I only have Kyuss' first album (which I like > > > alot)... would anybody recommend their other(s)? > > > > *Rush* out and buy "Welcome to Sky Valley" if you liked "Blues for the Red > > Sun". . . > > i concur. rj Actually, I was going to suggest buying _Blues for the Red Sun_, which is, after all, Kyuss' *second* album. The first was, I believe, _Wretched_. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 12 07:48:37 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:48:37 +0100 Subject: HW: LIS:Booooooring (yes I'm late) In-Reply-To: <199606121027.LAA21504@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Jun 12, 96 11:27:40 am Message-ID: > How many releases have Fu Manchu made & which is their best ? I recall folks > on the now-defunct kyuss list mentioning these guys... Two albums, the names of which I forget. I've seen both albums in an indie shop in Cambridge, so they _are_ findable in the UK. I saw them live when they opened for Monster Magnet in the US last year, and they were quite good! Nice blokes, too. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 12 07:51:11 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:51:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: Kyuss In-Reply-To: <31BEA742.20B0@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jun 12, 96 01:17:22 pm Message-ID: > Oh.. I have "Welcome to Sky Valley".. I thought that was the first one. The third, actually. > I know there's one called "As the Circus Leaves town...". I think that's rather more of an EP thing, than a proper album, as such. > Could anybody provide a Kyuss discography? > Or are there only the thre albums mentioned? I think the order is: Wretched, Blues for the Red Sun, & Welcome to Sky Valley. I think the "Circus" release either accompanies or follows Sky Valley. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "Hefi ek ok aldri sva reitt cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk vapn at manni at eigi hafi http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html vid kommit." Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. -Skarphedin Njalsson ************************************************************************* From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jun 12 08:05:20 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:05:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Kyuss In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:51:11 BST." Message-ID: > > Oh.. I have "Welcome to Sky Valley".. I thought that was the first one. > > The third, actually. Yes, I know Wretch is their first album as such, but like I said it predates the distinctive Kyuss sound heralded by using Chris Goss as producer. Besides, here in the UK you can only seem to find Wretch once in a blue moon at hugely distorted import prices so I ignore it from a state of denial :-) Also, if you want to be really nit-picking, Wretch is their second album, since the extremely rare eponymous _Sons of Kyuss_ was the first album length release made independently. > > I know there's one called "As the Circus Leaves town...". > > I think that's rather more of an EP thing, than a proper album, > as such. No, its a full release. Tim From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jun 12 07:26:25 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:26:25 +1100 Subject: gooday Message-ID: On 12 Jun 96 Martyn Lawrence wrote about Re: gooday: > That's three Melburnites on the list (even if one is an import!) > > > Dont be so hard on yourself Paul,the latrobe valley isn't that far away ;-) ;^) I may be a country boy, but I was born in Melbourne matey! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 12 08:24:19 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:24:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Kyuss In-Reply-To: <199606121205.NAA22241@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Jun 12, 96 01:05:20 pm Message-ID: > > > I know there's one called "As the Circus Leaves town...". > > > > I think that's rather more of an EP thing, than a proper album, > > as such. > > No, its a full release. Oh, that's right, now I remember! It came out while I was in the thoes of perparing for England, so I think I largely ignored it--thus causing it to be filed as "less important"=EP. Never mind me, just confused ... Cheers, Carl ObAnnoyingFact--I picked up Wretch cheap as a promtional copy being sold off. And worse, I can't remember whether I kept it! ;) From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jun 12 07:40:20 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:40:20 +1100 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: > > On 7 Jun 96 M Holmes wrote about Re: HW: www.hawkwind.com: > > > > > > Phew! I'm safe > > > > > > I dunno. Obviously you should get Brock so mad that he'll fly to > > > Australia to sort you out. Then tell 'im if he's coming anyway, the band > > > might as well tour.... > > > > Sounds like a plan! ;^) > > > > Sonique Then, On 12 Jun 96 Martyn Lawrence wrote about Re: HW: www.hawkwind.com: > I'll be in it. I could always lend Dave the raft I started building during last years Uk tour ..... Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 12 09:38:59 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:38:59 EST Subject: DR. Music Song key? Message-ID: > > Hey people, > I was wondreing if anyone knows what key the > song Dr. Music is in. Or what key harmonica is > used on the song. Thankx much > > > Joel Joel, It's a safe bet that it's in either E, Em, Am or F# since virtually every BOC song is in one of those keys! The harp part is almost certainly cross harp, so I'm not sure what key you'd have to use. theo From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 12 14:15:15 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:15:15 BST Subject: HW: levitation lyric In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:43:41 -0400 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > Um, just listening again to Levitation, one my favorite > 'hawks albums, and couldn't make out the last line before > the chorus first time around in the song "Who's gonna win the > war...." > > Lonly figures waiting > Shadows on the hill > Looking into violence > where everything is still > only death is lurking > Grim?? ?? ??? ??? > So, who's gonna win the war, now > who... (chorus...) > > Can anyone help me with this? "A creeping sickness waits"? FoFP From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Jun 12 09:53:21 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:53:21 +1000 Subject: 32 tracks In-Reply-To: <19183.9606111542@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > > Some Enchanted Evening > > I tried this album, but I could never get past "R U Ready 2 Rock". > What a dreadful song! > > I guess I'll stick to Hawkwind. > > Dave. > Repent before it is too late. Troy :-) From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Wed Jun 12 10:13:11 1996 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:13:11 -0400 Subject: HW: LIS:Booooooring (yes I'm late) In-Reply-To: <199606121027.LAA21504@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, bart wrote: > > thought Alien 4 wasn't so great either, and Its the Business of The > > Future To Be Dangerous sucked. I really enjoyed them myself. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jun 12 10:15:49 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:15:49 -0400 Subject: DR. Music Song key? Message-ID: Theo writes: >It's a safe bet that it's in either E, Em, Am or F# since virtually every BOC song is in one of those keys! Well, this is true for many rock/heavy-metal songs, but I wouldn't call it a "safe bet". Actually, many rock songs are in other songs, but the guitars/bass de-tune (case in point - most of KISS' songs are in keys like E-flat and A-flat, with the guitars/bass tuned down half a step and playing in E and A respectively). ObBOC-song-not-in-E-A-or-F#: Death Valley Nights (Gm, I believe) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jun 12 10:17:12 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:17:12 -0400 Subject: 32 tracks Message-ID: > > Some Enchanted Evening > > I tried this album, but I could never get past "R U Ready 2 Rock". > What a dreadful song! > > I guess I'll stick to Hawkwind. I wouldn't judge the merits of BOC on one song (although I like RU Ready 2 Rock) -- should I judge Hawkwind by listening to one song? John From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jun 12 10:18:26 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:18:26 +0200 Subject: What BOC/HW connection???? Message-ID: OI, Just a little thought I've had in my head ever since I joined this list: these bands sound *nothing* alike, and I wonder why the list covers both bands. I feel they're vastly different in most aspects (musically in particular), apart from some sci-fi and Moorcock material, but then again there's a zillion bands out there with sci-fi themes, good or bad. I don't consider BOC a space-rock band despite the sci-fi themes....Space Rock is a sound, not a concept... not that I mind BOC, I actually own a couple of CDs, and some of it's damn good, but lumping BOC and Hawkwind together is like lumping together Ministry and The Dead Kennedys..... I'm just curious, I guess. Who started this list and when was it started? Now I'll probably get tons of hate-mail, but oh well, let it rain.... Peace and Krunk, Christian From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed Jun 12 10:17:46 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:17:46 +0200 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: >I'm a little late here (I just joined the list when the LIS discussion >was ebbing out). Just purchased Love In Space yesterday, great fold-out >sleeve, fantastic artwork. Too bad its so damn boring!! *moving out of lurking mode* Ah yes, hello from the silent side of the list... This little snip above from a letter by Chris makes me step out of the shadows to ask you Hawkwind fans on the list one question which has been burning my lips for quite some time. Okay, I'm on this list for BOC, though I do also read HW messages because I'm interested in rock in a general way and I like to know the going-ons from everywhere. Anyway, this to say that I am not very familiar with the band, though I *have* listened to a few of their tracks. Mainly because I'm also a science-fiction fan and that I was intrigued to read/hear Michael Moorcock's song lyrics. But... Well, I found the few tracks I heard kind of boring. Now, I have no idea which titles those were, so don't even bother asking me, but I found those very, uh, monotonous ? They all sounded kind of the same. Since I'm also a progressive rock fan, this sounded bland to me. But this has been more frustrating for me than anything else, because I'd really like to like the band, if you see what I mean ? I mean, there aren't that many bands out there which use sci-fi lyrics after all... So the question I wanted to as you guys is : are all the HW songs like that ? (I mean, I've heard it say from various people that they were, that it was a voluntary choice from the band, sort of a HW trademark or something...), and if not what album would you recommend me for starters, one which wouldn't sound all that boring, huh ? I'd really like to give the band another try... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Jun 12 10:26:30 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:26:30 +0100 Subject: DR. Music Song key? In-Reply-To: <199606121415.KAA10749@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > Actually, many rock songs are in other songs, A typo I presume, but true nonetheless.... :) BTW, did anyone read the letters page in Goldmine? Maybe this is common knowledge, but the intro to "Stairway to Heaven" was allegedly lifted from a Randy California piece called Taurus on the first Spirit album. Apparently, the liner notes to a recent Spirit anthology say that RC never begrudged Jimmy Page his success with StH, though ironically someone called Little Roger faced legal action, presumably from Led Zep, for his use of the StH melody. Dave From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jun 12 10:30:39 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:30:39 +0200 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > >I'm a little late here (I just joined the list when the LIS discussion > >was ebbing out). Just purchased Love In Space yesterday, great fold-out > >sleeve, fantastic artwork. Too bad its so damn boring!! > > *moving out of lurking mode* > > Ah yes, hello from the silent side of the list... This little snip above > from a letter by Chris makes me step out of the shadows to ask you Hawkwind > fans on the list one question which has been burning my lips for quite some > time. > > Okay, I'm on this list for BOC, though I do also read HW messages because > I'm interested in rock in a general way and I like to know the going-ons > from everywhere. Anyway, this to say that I am not very familiar with the > band, though I *have* listened to a few of their tracks. Mainly because I'm > also a science-fiction fan and that I was intrigued to read/hear Michael > Moorcock's song lyrics. But... Well, I found the few tracks I heard kind of > boring. Now, I have no idea which titles those were, so don't even bother > asking me, but I found those very, uh, monotonous ? They all sounded kind of > the same. Since I'm also a progressive rock fan, this sounded bland to me. > But this has been more frustrating for me than anything else, because I'd > really like to like the band, if you see what I mean ? I mean, there aren't > that many bands out there which use sci-fi lyrics after all... So the > question I wanted to as you guys is : are all the HW songs like that ? (I > mean, I've heard it say from various people that they were, that it was a > voluntary choice from the band, sort of a HW trademark or something...), and > if not what album would you recommend me for starters, one which wouldn't > sound all that boring, huh ? I'd really like to give the band another try... > Try these albums for variation/sci-fi, they are good starting points. Hall of The Mountain Grill Levitation Quark, Strangeness & Charm Warrior on the Edge of Time Much HW stuff is very inaccessible, and, frankly, the droning monotony of the long jams of much of their stuff is because (in the classic era, anyways) its music created by people on hallucinogenics for people on hallucinogenics (and mighty fun it is)...... they are more of a psychedelic punk-band than a prog-band. At least in my opinion. Christian From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Jun 12 10:32:10 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 00:32:10 +1000 Subject: What BOC/HW connection???? In-Reply-To: <31BED1B2.4E69@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > OI, > Just a little thought I've had in my head ever since I joined this list: > these bands sound *nothing* alike, and I wonder why the list covers both > bands. I feel they're vastly different in most aspects (musically in > particular), apart from some sci-fi and Moorcock material, but then > again there's a zillion bands out there with sci-fi themes, good or bad. > I don't consider BOC a space-rock band despite the sci-fi > themes....Space Rock is a sound, not a concept... not that I mind BOC, I > actually own a couple of CDs, and some of it's damn good, but lumping > BOC and Hawkwind together is like lumping together Ministry and The Dead > Kennedys..... I'm just curious, I guess. Who started this list and when > was it started? > > Now I'll probably get tons of hate-mail, but oh well, let it rain.... > > Peace and Krunk, > > Christian > Dear Christian, Both these bands are my two faves! This list is like paradise to me. I am crazy about both. I collect both. My mates like both. My kids like both. My cat likes both. etc. My wife hates both. :-) Troy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 12 11:30:29 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:30:29 EST Subject: DR. Music Song key? Message-ID: > Theo writes: > > >It's a safe bet that it's in either E, Em, Am or F# since virtually > every BOC song is in one of those keys! > > Well, this is true for many rock/heavy-metal songs, but I wouldn't call it > a "safe bet". Actually, many rock songs are in other songs, but the > guitars/bass de-tune (case in point - most of KISS' songs are in keys > like E-flat and A-flat, with the guitars/bass tuned down half a step and > playing in E and A respectively). > > ObBOC-song-not-in-E-A-or-F#: Death Valley Nights (Gm, I believe) > > John True. Classic case is early Van Halen. I was thinking in strictly guitar playing terms, and in what position you're playing in. Nonetheless, most of BOC's material is in the keys I mentioned. I never thought Buck detuned, but I know he uses a capo to get DFtR into his vocal range better. theo From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 12 10:42:37 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:42:37 +0100 Subject: 32 tracks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Troy Harris wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > > > > Some Enchanted Evening > > > > I tried this album, but I could never get past "R U Ready 2 Rock". > > What a dreadful song! > > > > I guess I'll stick to Hawkwind. > > > > Dave. > > > Repent before it is too late. > > Troy > :-) > I concur - SEE was the first BOC album I got, impulse purchase on tape for #3.99, and now just over two years later here I am on BOC-L... SEE is a must-listen, ETI never sounded better, the Astronomy is awesome, Godzilla and DFtR are clearly compulsory and even R U Ready is OK once it gets to the keyboard break.. although I have to admit the Spectres version makes me wonder... SEE is BOC's SR. Nuff said. And I haven't got ETL or OYFOOYK, so I'm just a mixed-up kid who doesn't know any better than to say such sacrilegious things... (I hope no strangers wandered in or they'll think I'm typing on an Enigma machine!), Jazza /________________________________________________________\ | () | | Jon Jarrett () "What that boy needs is | | Pembroke College () a damn good haircut | | Cambridge CB2 1RF () and a spell in the | | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk () Army" | \___________________________()___________________________/ From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Jun 12 09:44:45 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:44:45 -0400 Subject: DR. Music Song key? In-Reply-To: from "Hardman DK" at Jun 12, 96 03:26:30 pm Message-ID: Dave says-- > > Actually, many rock songs are in other songs, > > A typo I presume, but true nonetheless.... :) > > BTW, did anyone read the letters page in Goldmine? Maybe this is common > knowledge, but the intro to "Stairway to Heaven" was allegedly lifted from > a Randy California piece called Taurus on the first Spirit album. > Apparently, the liner notes to a recent Spirit anthology say that RC never > begrudged Jimmy Page his success with StH, though ironically someone > called Little Roger faced legal action, presumably from Led Zep, for his > use of the StH melody. Reminds me of my favorite example of "lifting". The main theme of "Sweet Child in Time" by Deep Purple is exactly the same as a song on It's a Beautiful Day (can't remember the name of the song--but it's the album that has "White Bird" on it). Not sure who lifted from whom. Another example involves Renaissance and Yngwie Malmsteen, though both borrowed from a classical piece. Guido BTW--I don't care whether Metallica are wealthy or not. I just think their new album is uninteresting (though I'll have to give it a few more listens before rendering a final judgement :-) ). -- The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The Name that can be named is not the eternal Name. From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Wed Jun 12 15:47:50 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:47:50 BST Subject: What BOC/HW connection???? Message-ID: Christian writes "BOC and Hawkwind together is like lumping together Ministry and The Dead Kennedys.." Hey Christian, have you heard of a band called Lard ? Al Jourgenson teams up with Jello Biafra for a punk-meets-industrial sort of sound. The album 'Last temptation of Reid' comes highly recommened by me. :-) ObLardtrack...'Drug Raid at 4 am' From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jun 12 10:52:21 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:52:21 +0200 Subject: DR. Music Song key? Message-ID: Guido Vacano wrote: > > Dave says-- > > > > Actually, many rock songs are in other songs, > > > > A typo I presume, but true nonetheless.... :) > > > > BTW, did anyone read the letters page in Goldmine? Maybe this is common > > knowledge, but the intro to "Stairway to Heaven" was allegedly lifted from > > a Randy California piece called Taurus on the first Spirit album. > > Apparently, the liner notes to a recent Spirit anthology say that RC never > > begrudged Jimmy Page his success with StH, though ironically someone > > called Little Roger faced legal action, presumably from Led Zep, for his > > use of the StH melody. > > Reminds me of my favorite example of "lifting". The main theme of "Sweet > Child in Time" by Deep Purple is exactly the same as a song on It's a > Beautiful Day (can't remember the name of the song--but it's the album > that has "White Bird" on it). Not sure who lifted from whom. > > Another example involves Renaissance and Yngwie Malmsteen, though both > borrowed from a classical piece. > Then of course its the Doors lifting "Hello I Love You" from The Kinks' "All of The Day and All of The Night"....and Ray Davies won the lawsuit. Christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jun 12 10:56:51 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:56:51 +0200 Subject: What BOC/HW connection???? Message-ID: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM wrote: > > Christian writes > > "BOC and Hawkwind together is like lumping together Ministry and The Dead > Kennedys.." > > Hey Christian, have you heard of a band called Lard ? Al Jourgenson teams up with Jello Biafra for a punk-meets-industrial sort of sound. Yeah, a friend of mine recommended Lard to me, but I've yet to hear any. Odd, I should have thought about that when using my ill-chosen metaphors... how about a Fear/Stooges mailing list....? Christian From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 12 12:01:47 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:01:47 EST Subject: Led Wallet plagiarism? Message-ID: > > BTW, did anyone read the letters page in Goldmine? Maybe this is common > knowledge, but the intro to "Stairway to Heaven" was allegedly lifted from > a Randy California piece called Taurus on the first Spirit album. > Apparently, the liner notes to a recent Spirit anthology say that RC never > begrudged Jimmy Page his success with StH, though ironically someone > called Little Roger faced legal action, presumably from Led Zep, for his > use of the StH melody. > > Dave Doesn't surprise me at all. Both Led Wallet and Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top (one of my faves, no less) are guilty of ripping off other people's material. ZZ Top was involved in a big lawsuit over the song La Grange. Don't know how it turned out. BTW. I read a hilarious story about Page, where he was selling a bunch of speaker cabs., and had his tech change the speakers after the deal was made, substituting cheaper ones for the poor buyer! theo From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jun 12 11:08:59 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:08:59 +0100 Subject: What BOC/HW connection???? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:47:50 -0000." <9606121447.AA05173@icarus.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: > "BOC and Hawkwind together is like lumping together Ministry and The Dead > Kennedys.." > > Hey Christian, have you heard of a band called Lard ? Al Jourgenson teams up > with Jello Biafra for a punk-meets-industrial sort of sound. The album 'Last > temptation of Reid' comes highly recommened by me. :-) Ditto from me. "I am your clock" drags a bit (but then given the lyrics maybe its supposed to ;-), but the rest of the album is great. The heavy steroids version of the Napoleon XIV (?) song "They're Coming to Take me Away" is a hoot. > ObLardtrack...'Drug Raid at 4 am' No, no - the ObLardTrack for me is "Can God Fill Teeth ?" Tim "bring a flashlight and a mirror to observe" From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Jun 12 11:23:53 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:23:53 -0400 Subject: What BOC/HW connection???? Message-ID: A frequently asked question if ever there was one... :) Actually, I'm with Troy, BOC and HW were my two favourite bands by miles back when I was a student (sometime in the Cretaceous Era), and before then I was into Moorcock, so this list supplies nearly all my on-line needs... It *is* hard to define the connection, with the exception of Moorcock... for instance, Bolle Gregmar, who would gladly die for BOC, is very rude indeed about Hawkwind! The refusal to "dumb down" must be high on the list of similarities - the eschewal of "gonna rock you all night long" lyrics in favour of, eg, "it flies sideways through time", or "the seasons don't fear the Reaper" (just to look at their biggest hits). And not all the lyrics of either outfit are sf, by any means. (One of the main reasons "Let Go" gets such abuse, I'm sure, is that it insults the intelligence of the listener. And recall the roasting "silicon chip in my head" got last year. We - the fans of both groups - *care* about the lyrics.) In terms of sounds, they went in quite different directions (and HW are still evolving, even if BOC ground to a halt long ago), but surely both bands in their way owe a large debt to the Detroit bands (MC5, Stooges)? - Andy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 12 12:24:22 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:24:22 EST Subject: human plagiarism? Message-ID: > > > > Another example involves Renaissance and Yngwie Malmsteen, though both > > borrowed from a classical piece. > > Yngwie's worst piece of plagiarism is posing as a human being! > theo > From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jun 12 11:34:44 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:34:44 +0200 Subject: human plagiarism? Message-ID: > Yngwie's worst piece of plagiarism is posing as a human being! Count me in on the hate-list. Shave his head, whip him naked thru Stockholm and burn him on a stake. Christian From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Wed Jun 12 11:26:44 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:26:44 +0100 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: Alex delurked to write of the Hawks: > from everywhere. Anyway, this to say that I am not very familiar with the > band, though I *have* listened to a few of their tracks. > Moorcock's song lyrics. But... Well, I found the few tracks I heard kind of > boring. Now, I have no idea which titles those were, so don't even bother > asking me, but I found those very, uh, monotonous ? They all sounded kind of Yeah, well that's kind of the point. Music is about creating a mood and emotion (IMO) and the HW mood has always been to get people *out of it*. So the music induces a kind of trance (esp live). The thing with HW is that different album and even tracks on albums sound radically different so it's not possible to generalise. > the same. Since I'm also a progressive rock fan, this sounded bland to me. So you'll be familiar with Pink Floyd, Can, Gong, Van Der Graf Generator etc who all use(d) repetition and drones to create an atmosphere? > if not what album would you recommend me for starters, one which wouldn't > sound all that boring, huh ? I'd really like to give the band another try... Levitation, Hawklords, Amazing Music Astounding Sounds Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Wed Jun 12 11:33:05 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:33:05 +0100 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: Christian wrote: > hallucinogenics (and mighty fun it is)...... they are more of a > psychedelic punk-band than a prog-band. This punk idea is touted a lot on boc-l, I think it sucks large quantities of dead penguin dick. But then I always thought that punk was either made by brainless no-talents (Discharge anyone?) or was marketing hype. Years ago Huw Lloyd Langton was interviewd in *Guitarist* - he was a columnist for a while - and he claimed HW were yer basic blues-based rock band with some synths. A sort of *woke up this morning on alpha centauri, my space ship was gone...* thing. I'd tend to agree, but I think they (and indeed most British metal bands) are blues for the urban Brit so what do I know eh? :-) Chris From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 12 12:46:46 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:46:46 EST Subject: human plagiarism? Message-ID: > > > Yngwie's worst piece of plagiarism is posing as a human being! > > > Count me in on the hate-list. Shave his head, whip him naked thru > Stockholm and burn him on a stake. > > Christian That's right! I forgot how many Swedes are on BOC-L before I posted that! I bet you're about as proud of him as we Americans are of Reagan... theo From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jun 12 12:11:07 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:11:07 +0200 Subject: human plagiarism? Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > > > > > > Yngwie's worst piece of plagiarism is posing as a human being! > > > > > > Count me in on the hate-list. Shave his head, whip him naked thru > > Stockholm and burn him on a stake. > > > > Christian > > That's right! I forgot how many Swedes are on BOC-L before I posted > that! I bet you're about as proud of him as we Americans are of > Reagan... Are you insinuating that I'm Swedish???? Hell, I'm Norwegian (despite my english name), and at least we had the balls to stand up to the Germans during WWII (and got walked all over...) rather than producing sissy guitarists like Yngwie!!! No offense to sota bror :) BTW, just kidding (we have enough sissy guitarists ourselves... TNT, Stage Dolls etc.) , but its too common that Americans confuse us..... even Reagan couldn't fix that (but at least he knew where the Evil Empire was!!)... Love thy neighbor, Christian PS! Vi har bettre skilopere (men de svenska hockey team kan kick our ass any day!) From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Jun 12 12:18:51 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:18:51 +0100 Subject: human plagiarism? In-Reply-To: <31BEE394.11D1@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > > Count me in on the hate-list. Shave his head, whip him naked thru > Stockholm and burn him on a stake. > > Christian > Call yourself a Christian?! :-) Dave From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jun 12 12:27:32 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:27:32 +0200 Subject: human plagiarism? Message-ID: > > > Call yourself a Christian?! :-) > Christ for short! :)) From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jun 12 12:42:29 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:42:29 -0400 Subject: HW boring ?... In-Reply-To: <199606121417.QAA22870@lorien.imaginet.fr> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > Now, I have no idea which titles those were, so don't even bother > asking me, but I found those very, uh, monotonous ? They all sounded kind of > the same. Since I'm also a progressive rock fan, this sounded bland to me. [...] > So the > question I wanted to as you guys is : are all the HW songs like that ? Um... if I don't know which songs you heard, how can I possibly say whether all HW songs are "like that?" :-) What I can say is that: 1) Not all Hawkwind songs sound the same. (Phew!) 2) Hawkwind have probably covered just about every style in the known universe at one time or the other. :-) > if not what album would you recommend me for starters, one which wouldn't > sound all that boring, huh ? I'd really like to give the band another try... If you would define better what "boring" means to you, and what things *do* interest you, musically, I'm sure folks would be able to do a better job suggesting something. You mentioned you are a prog fan (a nebulously defined area in itself), so maybe you would enjoy, e.g., _Hall of the Mountain Grill_, _Warrior on the Edge of Time_, etc. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Material, _Hallucination Engine_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From hdboc at TELEVAR.COM Wed Jun 12 12:45:33 1996 From: hdboc at TELEVAR.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:45:33 -0700 Subject: What BOC/HW connection???? Message-ID: I was wondering the same thing, but didn't want to offend anybody. Frankly, I have no clue who Hawkwind is, but probably heard them at some time or another, just never knew it. I'm going to have to find some now though, just because this list has made me curious. Jack http://j-and-a.com/boc.html Christian Mumford wrote: > > OI, > Just a little thought I've had in my head ever since I joined this list: > these bands sound *nothing* alike, and I wonder why the list covers both > bands. I feel they're vastly different in most aspects (musically in > particular), apart from some sci-fi and Moorcock material, but then > again there's a zillion bands out there with sci-fi themes, good or bad. > I don't consider BOC a space-rock band despite the sci-fi > themes....Space Rock is a sound, not a concept... not that I mind BOC, I > actually own a couple of CDs, and some of it's damn good, but lumping > BOC and Hawkwind together is like lumping together Ministry and The Dead > Kennedys..... I'm just curious, I guess. Who started this list and when > was it started? > > Now I'll probably get tons of hate-mail, but oh well, let it rain.... > > Peace and Krunk, > > Christian From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jun 12 12:57:05 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:57:05 -0400 Subject: HW: punk? In-Reply-To: <199606121533.QAA00264@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Chris Bates wrote: > > hallucinogenics (and mighty fun it is)...... they are more of a > > psychedelic punk-band than a prog-band. > > This punk idea is touted a lot on boc-l, I think it sucks large > quantities of dead penguin dick. But then I always thought that > punk was either made by brainless no-talents (Discharge anyone?) > or was marketing hype. But don't brainless no-talents and marketing hype infest every corner of the music industry? I'm sure it's not confined to punk. :-) (There *are* good punk bands you know.) > Years ago Huw Lloyd Langton was interviewd in *Guitarist* - he > was a columnist for a while - and he claimed HW were yer basic > blues-based rock band with some synths. A sort of *woke up this > morning on alpha centauri, my space ship was gone...* thing. > I'd tend to agree, but I think they (and indeed most British metal > bands) are blues for the urban Brit so what do I know eh? :-) I agree with you (especially given Dave Brock's blues background). I think the "punk" tag comes from certain aspects often ascribed to punk (but which I don't think are in the sole domain of punk), e.g., the generally anti-establishment sentiment, and the idea that it is music "by the people, for the people," i.e. the fact that you didn't need to have years of music theory behind you and have to know millions of chords, scales, and tunings to be able to get a band together with your mates and play down the local pub. Both these themes are common to Hawkwind. Certainly, in the beginning, Hawkwind often harped on about not being able to play their instruments very well... :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Triptych_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 12 14:04:38 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:04:38 EST Subject: human plagiarism? Message-ID: > Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yngwie's worst piece of plagiarism is posing as a human being! > > > > > > > > > Count me in on the hate-list. Shave his head, whip him naked thru > > > Stockholm and burn him on a stake. > > > > > > Christian > > > > That's right! I forgot how many Swedes are on BOC-L before I posted > > that! I bet you're about as proud of him as we Americans are of > > Reagan... > > > Are you insinuating that I'm Swedish???? Hell, I'm Norwegian (despite > my english name), and at least we had the balls to stand up to the > Germans during WWII (and got walked all over...) rather than producing > sissy guitarists like Yngwie!!! > > No offense to sota bror :) BTW, just kidding (we have enough sissy > guitarists ourselves... TNT, Stage Dolls etc.) , but its too common that > Americans confuse us..... even Reagan couldn't fix that (but at least he > knew where the Evil Empire was!!)... > > Love thy neighbor, > > Christian > > PS! Vi har bettre skilopere (men de svenska hockey team kan kick our ass > any day!) Ya know, Yngwie's been living in the US so long, and is such an asshole, I've sort of come to consider him more American than Euro. Maybe we're paying for our global sins by having become the haven for such a piece of shit. Kind of a Marshall plan in reverse? theo From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Jun 12 12:15:27 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:15:27 -0400 Subject: human plagiarism? In-Reply-To: <31BEE394.11D1@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jun 12, 96 05:34:44 pm Message-ID: Christian says-- > > Yngwie's worst piece of plagiarism is posing as a human being! > Count me in on the hate-list. Shave his head, whip him naked thru > Stockholm and burn him on a stake. Whatever. His first album IMHO was a good 'un. Guido -- The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The Name that can be named is not the eternal Name. From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 12 13:26:27 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:26:27 -0400 Subject: 32 tracks Message-ID: >> > Some Enchanted Evening >> >> I tried this album, but I could never get past "R U Ready 2 Rock". >> What a dreadful song! >> >> I guess I'll stick to Hawkwind. > > >I wouldn't judge the merits of BOC on one song (although I like RU Ready >2 Rock) -- should I judge Hawkwind by listening to one song? Techno Tropic Zone Exists...... In a word, nope. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 12 13:26:31 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:26:31 -0400 Subject: Led Wallet plagiarism? Message-ID: >Doesn't surprise me at all. Both Led Wallet and Billy Gibbons of ZZ >Top (one of my faves, no less) are guilty of ripping off other >people's material. ZZ Top was involved in a big lawsuit over the >song La Grange. Don't know how it turned out. Don't forget Al, I love the example in Goldmine where he'd play something, and then someone would reply how he was copying someone else's melody, and he'd say like "was it that obvious?".... There's the ol' Del Rio Song/Tambourine Man swipe, I swear I can hear some REO speedwagon in the middle of some song on OYFOOYK, etc... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 12 13:26:33 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:26:33 -0400 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: >On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Alex S. Garcia wrote: >2) Hawkwind have probably covered just about every style in the known > universe at one time or the other. :-) I'm sorry, I must have missed out on their island/reggae phase. What albums would be best for this? Sighted recently: "Masters of the Universe", Marble Arch, for $7.00 worth it? 3 songs are from Levitation, which I have, are these the same versions? I have Master of the Universe, but only the Live Chronicles and SR versions, I gather this probably isn't those... And I have the Motorhead from the pink "Warrior on the Edge" bonus track. But I don't have the others ("Shot Down in the Night", "Angels of Death" (except Live Chronicles stab), or "Quark, Strangeness and Charm".... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 12 13:26:28 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:26:28 -0400 Subject: 32 tracks Message-ID: >On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Troy Harris wrote: > SEE is BOC's SR. Nuff said. And I haven't got ETL or OYFOOYK, so >I'm just a mixed-up kid who doesn't know any better than to say such >sacrilegious things... SEE is great, but OYFOOYK would be a much better parallel for SR. It is earlier material, from the first 3 albums primarily, a period many consider apart from the rest to be a classic BOC sound, it is (like SR) a double album, etc. etc.... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Jun 12 13:53:29 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:53:29 +0100 Subject: Led Wallet plagiarism? In-Reply-To: <199606121726.NAA23171@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > Don't forget Al, I love the example in Goldmine where he'd play something, > and then someone would reply how he was copying someone else's melody, and > he'd say like "was it that obvious?".... There's the ol' Del Rio > Song/Tambourine Man swipe, I swear I can hear some REO speedwagon in the > middle of some song on OYFOOYK, etc... Buck also mentions that one of the lines in Buck's Boogie is taken from The Beatles "You Can't Do That": "I've got somethin' to say that might cause you pain If I catch you talking to that boy again....." (the melody obviously, not the lyrics) D From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Jun 12 14:07:27 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:07:27 -0400 Subject: HW: punk? Message-ID: My main recollections of punk, from the time that it came out with the sex pistols and the clash ~77, is that it was a "street band" reaction to the many posers that had developed in the early seventies e.g. Rick Wakeman and their "concept albums". Also there was an almost violent anti-hippy sentiment to punk which would put it at odds to HW Martyn From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 12 19:09:04 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:09:04 BST Subject: BOC/HW connection explained In-Reply-To: Jack W. Heffling's message of Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:45:33 -0700 Message-ID: Jack W. Heffling writes: > I was wondering the same thing, but didn't want to offend anybody. > Frankly, I have no clue who Hawkwind is, but probably heard them at some > time or another, just never knew it. I'm going to have to find some now > though, just because this list has made me curious. > > Jack > Heh! the memes spread... Actually this ques should be an FAQ by way of explanation. It's all Steve Swann's fault (original founding moderator of this list). He wanted a list to discuss BOC away from the normal gossip of the alt. boards and included Hawkwind 'cos he liked them as well and also 'cos BOC sometimes ran out of discussion topics! Very quickly however the Hawkwind element grew in number to merit joint status. There were many discussions about separating the two lists but too many people posted or read both to make it worthwhile so the current compromise holds where you can filter out anything prefixed BOC: or HW: jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed Jun 12 14:24:42 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:24:42 +0200 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: >> the same. Since I'm also a progressive rock fan, this sounded bland to me. > >So you'll be familiar with Pink Floyd, Can, Gong, Van Der Graf Generator >etc who all use(d) repetition and drones to create an atmosphere? > Sure Chris, but it's not systematic. I mean they use repetition in two ways. First, the most common, where they go on repeating the same stuff a few times, but they don't go around doing that all along the track (like they do on techno, for instance), rather only a few seconds. Second aspect, a melody or some words which will be repeated but not right away, more likely further on in the track, or better yet, on another song in the album. When I listened to those HW songs, I had this strange feeling that it always was the same track ! I never felt that way with Pink Floyd (that's the only one I've listened to from your list, though I've heard of the others but never had a chance to try them out yet). Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed Jun 12 14:24:48 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:24:48 +0200 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: >> So the >> question I wanted to as you guys is : are all the HW songs like that ? > >Um... if I don't know which songs you heard, how can I possibly say >whether all HW songs are "like that?" :-) By "like that", I meant bland. That all sound alike. >> if not what album would you recommend me for starters, one which wouldn't >> sound all that boring, huh ? I'd really like to give the band another try... >If you would define better what "boring" means to you, and what things *do* >interest you, musically, I'm sure folks would be able to do a better job >suggesting something. You mentioned you are a prog fan (a nebulously >defined area in itself), so maybe you would enjoy, e.g., _Hall of the >Mountain Grill_, _Warrior on the Edge of Time_, etc. Well, I meant by "boring" the same as above : songs that all sound alike. As for the kind of music I listen to, well - apart from the obvious (BOC) - I like prog bands (like Kansas, King Crimson, Marillion, Dream Theater, Styx) and all kinds of other stuff : Pink Floyd (I don't really call them prog, though I know some people do, but as you say : it is a nebulously defined area in itself !), Supertramp, U2, The Police, Duran Duran (yes, you read well !), Talk Talk, Toto... and tons of other bands, some more obscure as well. All in all, I have rather eclectic tastes, I think. What I *don't* like though is techno music and also the more heavier rock, like thrash, death metal, etc... (and rap - I can't stand rap) BOC is about as hard as I go. The only hard rock stuff I like, all things considered, are the old hard rock bands like Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple... Does that help ? Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jun 12 16:01:54 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:01:54 -0500 Subject: HW boring ?... In-Reply-To: <199606121726.NAA23176@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > >2) Hawkwind have probably covered just about every style in the known > > universe at one time or the other. :-) > I'm sorry, I must have missed out on their island/reggae phase. What albums > would be best for this? Haven't you ever heard "The Camera That Could Lie?" That's reggae if I ever heard it... albeit *space* reggae. OK, so HW have probably covered just about every style, *if* you put the word "space" in front of each style. Space Metal Space Reggae Space New-Age (It Is the Business, White Zone...) Space Flamenco? Space Country? Space Blues (of course) ... next ... Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Jun 12 16:31:53 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:31:53 -0400 Subject: HW boring ?... In-Reply-To: <199606121824.UAA29704@lorien.imaginet.fr> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jun 12, 96 08:24:48 pm Message-ID: Alex clarifies... > > By "like that", I meant bland. That all sound alike. > > Well, I meant by "boring" the same as above : songs that all sound alike. As > for the kind of music I listen to, well - apart from the obvious (BOC) - I > like prog bands (like Kansas, King Crimson, Marillion, Dream Theater, Styx) > and all kinds of other stuff : Pink Floyd (I don't really call them prog, > though I know some people do, but as you say : it is a nebulously defined > area in itself !), Supertramp, U2, The Police, Duran Duran (yes, you read > well !), Talk Talk, Toto... and tons of other bands, some more obscure as > well. All in all, I have rather eclectic tastes, I think. What I *don't* > like though is techno music and also the more heavier rock, like thrash, > death metal, etc... (and rap - I can't stand rap) BOC is about as hard as I > go. The only hard rock stuff I like, all things considered, are the old hard > rock bands like Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple... Does that help ? First off, there's no way in a million years that HW tracks all sound alike. I mean, maybe if you listened only to Space Ritual, you could possibly say that (of course, they're all *good* as well :) ).....and then maybe the same for something like Quark or Levitation. But then, if you compare several songs from each of these albums, they hardly even sound like the same band in many ways. And some albums *do* have a lot of different sounds to them. The first album has two bluesy numbers surrounding a whole slew of formless freakout stuff. And HotMG has some odd ambientish things like Wind of Change and the two keyboard pieces, plus Lemmy's Lost Johnny stuck in amongst the "normal" Brock-HW tracks. And then the HLL-80's had a whole different standard AOR-type sound to the rock tracks, but with peculiar synth-based stuff stuck in between. And of course, the two types of 'song-structure' I *knew* Hawkwind would never do were: A love song/ballad, and a rap song. But then, Zarozinia appeared, and the Brock vocals to 'Back in the Box' could be considered 'rapping' I suppose, so they've even ventured where I never thought they'd go.... :) Secondly, I'm absolutely amazed that anyone could find anything the least bit interesting about Duran Duran's music....esp. someone who is fond of much of the same kind of music I listen to (which includes most of the ones Alex has listed here...BOC, Purple, Zeppelin, Supertramp, King Crimson, Marillion, Police). I'm not trying to be highly critical here of someone else's tastes (well, maybe a little bit :) ), but HW is no doubt my favourite of all time (with BOC maybe somewhere between 10th and 15th, depending on the day of the week), and DD is absolutely my least favourite group of all time. (I should note that I don't include any (real) rap groups or country artists in deciding this, because they aren't classified as being music at all IMHO)..... To be fair, though, I should admit that I like some awfully weird things that other people who know my "core" musical tastes are shocked by.....including 10,000 Maniacs, REO Speedwagon's first two releases, and the song 'Heart of Glass' by Blondie. I have no explanation for this, nor do I expect that I'll ever understand what aspects of a particular song or style are absolutely necessary for me to find it enjoyable. I just know that for me, Duran Duran has none of those qualities..... :) Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Tea for the Hydra - Ade Shaw P.S. What the hell is Talk Talk??? From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 12 16:34:33 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:34:33 -0400 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: >OK, so HW have probably covered just about every style, *if* you put the >word "space" in front of each style. > >Space Metal >Space Reggae >Space New-Age (It Is the Business, White Zone...) >Space Flamenco? >Space Country? "I'm a spaaaccceeee cowwwbooooyyyy, guess you weren't ready for that..." >Space Blues (of course) albums like "Decompression Blues" and "The Nova Express is running late" Space Rap (no attempts, please) Space Gospel Spack Rockabilly *(this I'd like to see... you could easily modify the BH theme Space Skiffle song.. "simple asteroid miner but he kept his servos..") Space Bluegrass Space Military Marches Space Opera (well, now.... I must confess I like Space Opera...) +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jun 12 17:14:56 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:14:56 +0200 Subject: OFF: Kyuss Message-ID: >Also, if you want to be really nit-picking, Wretch is their second album, >since the extremely rare eponymous _Sons of Kyuss_ was the first album length >release made independently. > >> > I know there's one called "As the Circus Leaves town...". >> >> I think that's rather more of an EP thing, than a proper album, >> as such. > >No, its a full release. >Tim > Isn't _Sons of Kyuss_ just an EP? And every song on SoK is also available on Wretch... Well I've been sent this mail from Kyuss' bassist and I think I'm going to let you read it too... [[Hi Daniel! Yeah, Kyuss is done with for now. After the European tour with Soundgarden, John & Josh called a meeting and said they wanted to do other stuff. Everybody's still friends. It was fun while it lasted-I'll always miss it. The Wool split single should be out over there now-I'm not sure who's distributing it in Scandinavia-might be hard to find. Also a single with "Into The Void"/"Fatso Forgottso" is coming out on Man's Ruin Records pretty soon. I did a "project" called Tree Of The Sun with Jason Newstead, Dale Crover, and Devin Townsend that will hopefully see the light of day sooner or later. That's it for now. Take it easy. Scott ]] "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jun 12 17:22:40 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:22:40 +0200 Subject: OFF: Fu Manchu Message-ID: >> How many releases have Fu Manchu made & which is their best ? I recall folks >> on the now-defunct kyuss list mentioning these guys... >> > > >I believe "In Search of..." is their first? I don't know. > >Christian > I've got _Daredevil_ (their second release) and it sucks. But I've heard (what think is...) a new Fu Manchu song on Swedish radio which were pretty good. If you want to check them out on the Net is there a Fu Manchu page at "Bongload Records". Med Va:nlig Ha:lsning (till och med till grannar med minderva:rdskomplex) -Daniel (Christian jag skojar bara :-) ) . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jun 12 17:32:29 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:32:29 +0200 Subject: human plagiarism? Message-ID: >Ted Jackson jr. wrote: >> >> > >> > > Yngwie's worst piece of plagiarism is posing as a human being! >> > >> > >> > Count me in on the hate-list. Shave his head, whip him naked thru >> > Stockholm and burn him on a stake. >> > >> > Christian >> >> That's right! I forgot how many Swedes are on BOC-L before I posted >> that! I bet you're about as proud of him as we Americans are of >> Reagan... > > >Are you insinuating that I'm Swedish???? Hell, I'm Norwegian (despite >my english name), and at least we had the balls to stand up to the >Germans during WWII (and got walked all over...) rather than producing >sissy guitarists like Yngwie!!! > >No offense to sota bror :) BTW, just kidding (we have enough sissy >guitarists ourselves... TNT, Stage Dolls etc.) , but its too common that >Americans confuse us..... even Reagan couldn't fix that (but at least he >knew where the Evil Empire was!!)... > >Love thy neighbor, > >Christian > >PS! Vi har bettre skilopere (men de svenska hockey team kan kick our ass >any day!) > The father of a friend of mine has played in some "One-Occassions-Bands" together with Yngwies ex-musicians. According to him is everything you ever have heard of Yngwie false. Reality is always worse... And this one is for Christian... om det a:r na^got jag o:nskar mycket sa^ a:r det att a:ven Sverige hade va^gat sta^ utanfo:r EU! Heja Norge. -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Jun 12 17:51:10 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:51:10 -0400 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-12 10:34:20 EDT, you write: >its music created by people on hallucinogenics for people on >hallucinogenics (and mighty fun it is) BINGO! Give this man a cigar. regards, Bill Stewart From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 12 23:10:16 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:10:16 BST Subject: HW boring ?... In-Reply-To: Le Monsieur Damon's message of Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:01:54 -0500 Message-ID: Le Monsieur Damon writes: > OK, so HW have probably covered just about every style, *if* you put the > word "space" in front of each style. > > Space Metal > Space Reggae > Space New-Age (It Is the Business, White Zone...) > Space Flamenco? > Space Country? > Space Blues (of course) > ... next ... > Space Opera - surely! (although I've suddenly had this terrible vision of Hawkwind abruptly appearing on the flight deck of StarShip Enterprise in full stage performing gear - ah no! Might work ok in Red Dwarf though...... ) Space Folk Space Sonata Space Symphony - by 'eck, that would be a show. I bet Tchaikovsky would have been a rock musician had he been around today. Though on reflection I think it's already been done - vide the Babylon 5 theme. Nohow - I've just got hold of Hawkfan 24 and 25 and have discovered at last what Doug Smith looks like - not at all what I expected! Tall, loads of hair, a beard, large glasses and a huge grin. That was definitely a surprise! jill PS. Tickets for Langtree are priced at 7.25 pounds in advance and 10.00 pounds on the gate and there will be two stages and a dance tent. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Jun 12 18:13:37 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:13:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: Kyuss In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 06/12/96 at 12:51 PM, "Carl E. Anderson" said: >> I know there's one called "As the Circus Leaves town...". > I think that's rather more of an EP thing, than a proper album, >as such. It clocks in at 72:02 (at least my copy does). ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From M.J.Wade at NEWCASTLE.AC.UK Wed Jun 12 23:21:51 1996 From: M.J.Wade at NEWCASTLE.AC.UK (Spiky Quills In The Arboretum) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:21:51 GMT0BST Subject: HW: LIS:Booooooring much later.... Message-ID: > > > > thought Alien 4 wasn't so great either, and Its the Business of The > > > Future To Be Dangerous sucked. > I really enjoyed them myself. > so did I, Alien 4 is a classic compared to most 90's trash. IITBOTFTBD took time to get into. ======================================================= I gaped in absolute terror as I stared into the things eyes- two opulant obsidian orbs from hell!! ======================================================= From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Jun 12 18:23:47 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:23:47 -0400 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: Jill said >Nohow - I've just got hold of Hawkfan 24 and 25 and have discovered at >last what Doug Smith looks like - not at all what I expected! Tall, >loads of hair, a beard, large glasses and a huge grin. That was >definitely a surprise! Surely the huge grin didn't surprise you? (And the rest is probably a disguise. :) - Andy From M.J.Wade at NEWCASTLE.AC.UK Wed Jun 12 23:25:19 1996 From: M.J.Wade at NEWCASTLE.AC.UK (Spiky Quills In The Arboretum) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:25:19 GMT0BST Subject: Doctor Brown Message-ID: Has anyone heard Doctor Brown's EP "Dreamscape" which features Huw Lloyd Langton who was with the band for a while? It is pretty classy stuff- blues driven space rock with a funky pseudo-dance track as well. ======================================================= I gaped in absolute terror as I stared into the things eyes- two opulant obsidian orbs from hell!! ======================================================= From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jun 12 18:33:28 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:33:28 -0600 Subject: BOC: SLC concert review In-Reply-To: <199606112347.RAA29445@mailhub.aros.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the info on the SLC show. Club 90 has been written down. BOC played in the Four Corners (Farmington) on 3/23, were you there? NM DOES have some of the best food in the world; green chile and sopapillas with honey rule. God bless.... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Jun 12 18:34:56 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:34:56 -0400 Subject: 32 tracks In-Reply-To: <19183.9606111542@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Jun 11, 96 04:42:54 pm Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > > > Some Enchanted Evening > > I tried this album, but I could never get past "R U Ready 2 Rock". > What a dreadful song! > > I guess I'll stick to Hawkwind. That's like not listening to Disk 2 of Space Ritual because you thought Electronic #1 sucks. Steve swann at panix.com From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Jun 12 18:40:31 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:40:31 -0400 Subject: HW: levitation lyric In-Reply-To: <199606111843.OAA29557@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Jun 11, 96 02:43:41 pm Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > > Um, just listening again to Levitation, one my favorite > 'hawks albums, and couldn't make out the last line before > the chorus first time around in the song "Who's gonna win the > war...." > > Lonly figures waiting > Shadows on the hill > Looking into violence > where everything is still (1) get yourself a copy of the definitive Hawkwind lyrics file. Mike Holmes is the keeper of it. (2) I'm glad to see that somebody else heard "violence" in place of "valleys" (the correct lyric). ;-) > only death is lurking > Grim?? ?? ??? ??? The creeping sickness waits Steve swann at panix.com From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Wed Jun 12 18:41:42 1996 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael G Karschner) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:41:42 -0700 Subject: What BOC/HW connection???? Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > > OI, > Just a little thought I've had in my head ever since I joined this list: > these bands sound *nothing* alike, and I wonder why the list covers both > bands. I feel they're vastly different in most aspects (musically in > particular), apart from some sci-fi and Moorcock material, but then > again there's a zillion bands out there with sci-fi themes, good or bad. > I don't consider BOC a space-rock band despite the sci-fi > themes....Space Rock is a sound, not a concept... not that I mind BOC, I > actually own a couple of CDs, and some of it's damn good, but lumping > BOC and Hawkwind together is like lumping together Ministry and The Dead > Kennedys..... I'm just curious, I guess. Who started this list and when > was it started? > > Now I'll probably get tons of hate-mail, but oh well, let it rain.... > > Peace and Krunk, > > Christian I've wondered about it, too. When one of my friends asked me why this group covers both, I have to shrug and say "Don't know....I've only been there a couple of weeks." Any answers, anyone? -- Mike "Must these Englishmen live that I might die?" From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Jun 12 18:47:34 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:47:34 -0400 Subject: Stupid non-relevant and relevant questions In-Reply-To: <9606112031.aa23551@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Jun 11, 96 08:31:39 pm Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > > Guido Vacano writes: > > 2) I'd like to order some of the new EMI Hawkwind > > remasters. Any suggestions? > > all of them....! Definitely Hawkwind 1 for its clarity of sound. > After that choose your favourite from In Search of Space, Doremi or > Space Ritual. They are all excellent. Some folk really like Hall of > the Mountain Grill - but it's not my favourite tho' it's been > remastered to the same high quality as the rest. To present the case for the opposition :-) I believe that _Hall of the Mountain Grill_ and _Doremi_ are the albums that gained the most from being remastered (compared to previous CD releases I mean; I never owned them on vinyl). On the other hand, while _Space Ritual_ sounds really great (and they added certain niceties like taking out the fades between the vinyl disk sides), I don't think it makes the overall feel of the album all that much spectacularly better than the One Way release. I think that everyone who has spoken up so far agrees on _Doremi_, at any rate. That one is necessary. From the others, just take your pick. Steve swann at panix.com From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Wed Jun 12 18:49:03 1996 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael G Karschner) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:49:03 -0700 Subject: BOC/HW connection explained Message-ID: Thanks, Jill! (Next time I'll read all the messages before replying to one!! :o ) -- Mike "Must these Englishmen live that I might die?" From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Jun 12 18:53:48 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:53:48 -0400 Subject: HW: LIS:Booooooring (yes I'm late) In-Reply-To: <199606121027.LAA21504@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Jun 12, 96 11:27:40 am Message-ID: bart writes: > > > Also purchased Fu Manchu's "In Search of...". OK Monster Magnet/Kyuss > > type grungy space-rock. I only have Kyuss' first album (which I like > > alot)... would anybody recommend their other(s)? > > *Rush* out and buy "Welcome to Sky Valley" if you liked "Blues for the Red > Sun". Whether you get their last one depends on how rabid a kyuss fan you are, > since its a bit patchy - some good tracks though, like Phototropic, "Blues for the Red Sun" isn't their first album, it's their second, or maybe even 3rd. (I think I can hear Tim getting out his wallet already). ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 12 18:56:48 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:56:48 -0400 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: >Alex clarifies... >> area in itself !), Supertramp, U2, The Police, Duran Duran (yes, you read >> well !), Talk Talk, Toto... and tons of other bands, some more obscure as >Secondly, I'm absolutely amazed that anyone could find anything the least bit >interesting about Duran Duran's music....esp. someone who is fond of much of >the same kind of music I listen to (which includes most of the ones Alex has >listed here...BOC, Purple, Zeppelin, Supertramp, King Crimson, Marillion, I'll admit, I like early Duran Duran, usually more for catchy tunes than content (though I love the sf ref of their name). It was one of the bands I liked in high school, before I got more into stuff like Floyd, Hawkwind, etc. I was always into BOC before them, though. While we're into dark secrets, before that most of what I listened to was John Denver and Salsa (I lived in Panama). =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 12 18:59:49 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:59:49 -0400 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: >Jill said > >>Nohow - I've just got hold of Hawkfan 24 and 25 and have discovered at >>last what Doug Smith looks like - not at all what I expected! Tall, >>loads of hair, a beard, large glasses and a huge grin. That was >>definitely a surprise! > >Surely the huge grin didn't surprise you? (And the rest is probably a >disguise. :) That won't fool the agents of R.O.D.S. I'd avoid standing next to him. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Jun 12 19:22:27 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:22:27 -0400 Subject: HW boring ?... In-Reply-To: <199606121824.UAA29704@lorien.imaginet.fr> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jun 12, 96 08:24:48 pm Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia writes: > > Well, I meant by "boring" the same as above : songs that all sound alike. As > for the kind of music I listen to, well - apart from the obvious (BOC) - I > like prog bands (like Kansas, King Crimson, Marillion, Dream Theater, Styx) Well, havng just seen Styx (and Kansas) play in NYC, on their "Return to the Paradise Theatre" tour (great show!) I feel uniquely qualified to make recommendations, here. :-) > and all kinds of other stuff : Pink Floyd (I don't really call them prog, > though I know some people do, but as you say : it is a nebulously defined > area in itself !), Supertramp, U2, The Police, Duran Duran (yes, you read > well !), Talk Talk, Toto... and tons of other bands, some more obscure as > well. All in all, I have rather eclectic tastes, I think. What I *don't* > like though is techno music and also the more heavier rock, like thrash, > death metal, etc... (and rap - I can't stand rap) BOC is about as hard as I > go. The only hard rock stuff I like, all things considered, are the old hard > rock bands like Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple... Does that help ? Yes. Get yourself a copy of _Live Chronicles_. It should be easily available (it's been released domestically by Griffin Records). If you can't find that one easily, then get _Levitation_, that should be *really* easy to get. Then come back and we'll talk more. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jun 12 20:00:11 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:00:11 -0400 Subject: OFF: Kyuss In-Reply-To: <199606122207.SAA11812@epix.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Jerry Guizar wrote: > >> I know there's one called "As the Circus Leaves town...". Actually, _...And the Circus Leaves Town_. > > > I think that's rather more of an EP thing, than a proper album, > >as such. > > It clocks in at 72:02 (at least my copy does). Yeah, but the annoying thing is that the last track takes up about 35 minutes of that 72 minute running time (potentially good), but at least 20 of those 35 minutes is silence (VERY bad). The actual amount of music on the CD is probably about 50 minutes, which, I guess, qualifies it as a full-length release. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Triptych_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed Jun 12 19:58:48 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 01:58:48 +0200 Subject: OFF: Duran Duran Message-ID: >> By "like that", I meant bland. That all sound alike. >> >> Well, I meant by "boring" the same as above : songs that all sound alike. As >> for the kind of music I listen to, well - apart from the obvious (BOC) - I >> like prog bands (like Kansas, King Crimson, Marillion, Dream Theater, Styx) >> and all kinds of other stuff : Pink Floyd (I don't really call them prog, >> though I know some people do, but as you say : it is a nebulously defined >> area in itself !), Supertramp, U2, The Police, Duran Duran (yes, you read >> well !), Talk Talk, Toto... and tons of other bands, some more obscure as >> well. All in all, I have rather eclectic tastes, I think. What I *don't* >> like though is techno music and also the more heavier rock, like thrash, >> death metal, etc... (and rap - I can't stand rap) BOC is about as hard as I >> go. The only hard rock stuff I like, all things considered, are the old hard >> rock bands like Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple... Does that help ? > >First off, there's no way in a million years that HW tracks all sound alike. I >mean, maybe if you listened only to Space Ritual, you could possibly say that >(of course, they're all *good* as well :) ).....and then maybe the same for >something like Quark or Levitation. But then, if you compare several songs >from each of these albums, they hardly even sound like the same band in many >ways. Well, as I've said, I've only heard a few songs. And only bits of each, since I was in a record shop. And I guess maybe after a few listens I'd like even those songs, who knows ? music has its ways... >Secondly, I'm absolutely amazed that anyone could find anything the least bit >interesting about Duran Duran's music....esp. someone who is fond of much of >the same kind of music I listen to Ah yes, well, I knew this was coming *sigh* I think DD is a much underrated band, too many people are biased. I think it's kind of become a fashion to hate the band. *Most* of those who do (or think they do) haven't actually even bothered listening to their songs. And when I say "listen", I don't just mean hear one of their singles on the radio or on TV. I mean carefully listening to a whole album. There is much more in Duran Duran than one could think. I find their music very rich and complex, well structured and very melodic. AND they also have great lyrics. They also often work on sci-fi grounds. Oh, come on now, don't tell me the following aren't great lyrics : Below the towers of the citadel, Seems someone overlooked the cost, Forgotten soldier of Paradise, now Paradise is lost. Recognition never realized, Salvation lost among the crowd, So tell me here beside the sterile sea, where is your nation now ? (from "The Edge of America", in BIG THING - 1988). Or, from one of my favorite DD songs : Way down the lane away, living for another day The aphids swarm up in the drifting haze Swim seagull in the sky towards that hollow western isle My envied lady holds you fast in her gaze (...) And watching lovers part I feel you smiling What glass splinters lie so deep in your mind To tear out from your eyes with a thought to stiffen brooding lies And I only watch you leave me further behind. (from "The Chauffeur", in RIO - 1982) And I could give you a thousand more examples (from "The Seventh Stranger", "Shadows on your side", "New religion", "Save a prayer", "My Antarctica", "Venice drowning" or "Sin of the city", for instance - all of which were never released as singles, if you'll notice, except "Save a prayer"). Furthermore, I'll add that DD has with time evolved a lot, now threading in rocky waters, if you see what I mean :-) The "rock venture" started with "Liberty" (though there are streaks of rock already on previous albums) and was confirmed in their latest effort, "Thank You" which, in case you don't know, is a covers album. And do you have any idea who they cover ? You'll be surprised... The Doors, Elvis Costello, Lou Reed, David Bowie, Bob Dylan and... Led Zeppelin ! Uh huh, that's right, Led Zep. That's where they got the album's title, BTW, since "Thank you" is the LZ track they cover. I think that many DD fans don't even dare say they like the band in fear of "reprisal". That shouldn't be. There's nothing to be ashamed of. Duran Duran is, IMO, a very good band and I'm sticking to that. Oh, they've made mistakes, of course, but all bands do. So hey, let me be known as "the BOC fan who liked DD", if you will *laughs* (though hopefully I'm not the only one !) >To be fair, though, I should admit that I like some awfully weird things that >other people who know my "core" musical tastes are shocked by.....including >10,000 Maniacs, REO Speedwagon's first two releases, and the song 'Heart of >Glass' by Blondie. I don't mind, I also like those three... though I'm not very familiar with 10,000 Maniacs, only heard a few songs from them - which I liked. >P.S. What the hell is Talk Talk??? Seriously ? I'm surprised you've never heard of them. They were quite popular in the 80's. I guess you could call them a new wave band, kind of. They had several hit singles back then, among which "It's my life", "Such a shame" or "Living in another world". They have kind of disappeared from the scene after the commercial catastrophe of their last LP, which most people agree (even fans, I think) was a huge mistake and a very bad album. Can't say, never heard that one myself... Alex S. Garcia "The BOC fan who liked Duran Duran" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Jun 12 20:39:17 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:39:17 -0400 Subject: BOC/HW connection explained In-Reply-To: <9606121909.aa28846@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Jun 12, 96 07:09:04 pm Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > > Jack W. Heffling writes: > > > I was wondering the same thing, but didn't want to offend anybody. > > Frankly, I have no clue who Hawkwind is, but probably heard them at some > > time or another, just never knew it. I'm going to have to find some now > > though, just because this list has made me curious. > > > > Jack > > > > Heh! the memes spread... > > Actually this ques should be an FAQ by way of explanation. It's all > Steve Swann's fault (original founding moderator of this list). He > wanted a list to discuss BOC away from the normal gossip of the alt. > boards and included Hawkwind 'cos he liked them as well and also 'cos > BOC sometimes ran out of discussion topics! Very quickly however the > Hawkwind element grew in number to merit joint status. There were > many discussions about separating the two lists but too many people > posted or read both to make it worthwhile so the current compromise > holds where you can filter out anything prefixed BOC: or HW: Heh, I should probably be paying Jill a salary for always answering this question when it comes up (about every 3 or 4 months, I would guess). :-) QUIT READING NOW, OR YOU ARE IN DANGER OF FINDING OUT MORE THAN YOU EVER WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE ORIGINS AND PRE-HISTORY OF THIS LIST! :-) What it all boils down to is that in the early days of this list (that would be September and October of '90), we didn't have an automated list server to re-distribute the messages, so I was running the list out of my old VAX/VMS account, using a hand-edited distribution (.dist?) file, and re-mailing every message by hand. I couldn't handle the work of doing 2 lists that way, so I created the Blue Oyster Cult discussion list, with other "imaginitive rock" bands, especially Hawkwind, listed as "secondary" topics of discussion. These bands included Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Rainbow, Dio, et al. But it was obvious from really early on that BOC and Hawkwind were the Big Two. When the load of handling even this one list got to be too much (and after we topped 25 or 30 members, it got to be), I moved it to an automated listserver at the University of Buffalo, where I was a student at the time. When I needed to give a list a mailing address of the following form: XXXXX-L at UBVMS.BUFFALO.EDU (where I had a maximum of 5 letters to fill in the X's) I chose BOC-L as being the obvious short-form address of the list. But I *named* it the "Imaginitive Rock Discussion List", to make it clear that this wasn't a "closed-topic" list, and I wrote in the list's charter the description above, re: "imaginative rock". That worked great for a while, but the Internet was really just starting to grow in those days. We got a lot of new members. They wanted to talk about a lot of things. The hardcore BOC and Hawkwind crowds (the ones who made this list what it is today, of course) started to believe that the other "off-topic" discussion was making the list too crowded (anyone ever heard THAT complaint?). :-) Then some newbies on the list started bringing in "their" definition of "imaginitive rock". Someone thought Paul Simon's _Graceland" qualified, and wanted to discuss it on the list. Things got ugly from there. I had to quell the flamewar by basically "going back to our roots". I renamed the list "The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List", because the truth is, that regardless of what you write in a group's charter, it's the *name* that everyone pays attention to. The BOC/Hawkwind Discussion list has existed in its current form for several years now, and despite the fact that it now runs on a different listserver, and it's now moderated by the enigmatic :-) Ben Cohen (hi, Ben!), it's really pretty much the same list that it was in 1990. So, there you have it. This list is the way it is for historical reasons: because BOC and Hawkwind were two bands that were eminently worth talking about, and because I didn't have the resources (or the desire) to create two separate lists. The fact that the list remains the way it is today (now that computing resources are no longer an issue), is because it now has a kind of history and tradition to it, and a lot of people like it the way that it is. There are many who have been on this list for upwards of 5 years, and there are a truly surprising number who, having signed off the list for whatever reasons, eventually came back. We must be doing something right. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Wed Jun 12 20:56:13 1996 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:56:13 -0400 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: Chris writes: > This punk idea is touted a lot on boc-l, I think it sucks large > quantities of dead penguin dick. But then I always thought that > punk was either made by brainless no-talents (Discharge anyone?) > or was marketing hype. I think you're operating under too narrow a definition of "punk". To me it describes any form of expression which, figuratively speaking, seeks to shove an extended middle finger in the face of mainstream society. In this sense, HW seems pretty punk to me. But I guess this also describes the history of rock in general, with each generation trying to outdo the previous in terms of outrageousness. Next thing you know, you've got GG Allin hurling turds at the audience, or Marilyn Manson giving each other knob jobs onstage! :-P Chris From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed Jun 12 20:54:54 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 02:54:54 +0200 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: >Get yourself a copy of _Live Chronicles_. It should be easily >available (it's been released domestically by Griffin Records). If >you can't find that one easily, then get _Levitation_, that should >be *really* easy to get. > >Then come back and we'll talk more. ;-) *laughing* Right, gotcha. I'll try to get a hold on one of those and I'll keep you people posted... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jun 12 20:58:53 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:58:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: re: Duran Duran In-Reply-To: <199606122358.BAA05437@lorien.imaginet.fr> Message-ID: [ praise of Duran Duran deleted ] Yes, their music may be cool and awesome and all that, but I get nauseous when I hear "Don't say a prayer for me now; save it for the morning after"... for the same reason a similar reaction occurs regarding the lyrics to Billy Joel's "Only the Good Die Young". In other words, I personally ***(IMHOx1000)*** don't want to support a band that bashes Christianity like that, i.e. "Jesus, Schmeezus. Sex with me would be better than the hereafter if you'd only try it." At least Hawkwind's occasional disregard for religion is tongue-in-cheek. (Yes, we've had this discussion before on BOC-L, that time via NIN.) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Wed Jun 12 21:08:30 1996 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:08:30 -0700 Subject: BOC: Boston in June/July In-Reply-To: <199606121509.QAA23612@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: I'm going to be in the Boston area (Waltham actually) from June 25 to July 10. Does anybody know of any BOC/Surgeons concerts nearby (50 miles or so) during that time? Danka, -Pete -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu Phone: (206) 547-6164 From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jun 12 21:25:17 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:25:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: Duran Duran In-Reply-To: <199606122358.BAA05437@lorien.imaginet.fr> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Alex S. Garcia wrote: [[Duran Duran advocacy deleted.]] Well, I guess any band that boasts FZ alumnus Warren Cucurullo amongst its ranks can't be all bad... :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Laibach, _Let It Be_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed Jun 12 21:48:23 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 03:48:23 +0200 Subject: OFF: Duran Duran Message-ID: >Yes, their music may be cool and awesome and all that, but I get nauseous >when I hear "Don't say a prayer for me now; save it for the morning >after"... for the same reason a similar reaction occurs regarding the >lyrics to Billy Joel's "Only the Good Die Young". In other words, I >personally ***(IMHOx1000)*** don't want to support a band that bashes >Christianity like that, i.e. "Jesus, Schmeezus. Sex with me would be >better than the hereafter if you'd only try it." > Hmm... that's weird. I never thought of the lyrics to that song as being religious. I'm not quite sure if you're saying they're pro- or anti-Christian, but I personally think they're neither one. I don't see what's wrong about those lyrics. I mean, I think it's more a figure of speech than anything else. If you look at the rest of the lyrics, those lines in the chorus are the only ones which have any religious connotations whatsoever, and I think it wasn't meant to be taken as such. Only a figure of speech, that's what I think. Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From 70762.141 at COMPUSERVE.COM Wed Jun 12 21:58:27 1996 From: 70762.141 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Richard P. Manny) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:58:27 EDT Subject: cancel Message-ID: cancel BOC From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Jun 12 22:56:55 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:56:55 -0400 Subject: OFF: Duran Duran In-Reply-To: <199606122358.BAA05437@lorien.imaginet.fr> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jun 13, 96 01:58:48 am Message-ID: Alex honourably stands up for himself with.... >>Secondly, I'm absolutely amazed that anyone could find anything the least bit > >interesting about Duran Duran's music....esp. someone who is fond of much of > >the same kind of music I listen to > > Ah yes, well, I knew this was coming *sigh* I think DD is a much underrated > band, too many people are biased. I think it's kind of become a fashion to > hate the band. *Most* of those who do (or think they do) haven't actually > even bothered listening to their songs. And when I say "listen", I don't > just mean hear one of their singles on the radio or on TV. I mean carefully > listening to a whole album. Yeah, I kind of had a feeling that this might be your response, as I have been assuming that I'd be forced into the very same argument once someone had responded to my fondness for 10,000 Maniacs with: "I can't believe anyone would want to listen to a band who put out such crap as that 'Trouble Me' song....or 'Eat for Two'...etc...etc..." But then, few people are aware of the fact that 10kM started out playing really freaky music based on Caribbean-style rhythms overlain with disjointed puzzling lyrical lines and wild dissonant guitar riffs and solos. Natalie Merchant singing reggae is not something that was ready for prime-time, I must say. > There is much more in Duran Duran than one could > think. I find their music very rich and complex, well structured and very > melodic. These must be those non-radio tracks again.... :) > AND they also have great lyrics. Well, this doesn't really matter to anyone else I suppose, but I don't give a rat's patooie about lyrics...I only ever notice them at all when they just happen to be too bizarre *not* to notice....you know, like Amon Duul II's 'Green bubbles came out of the crystal thing....' Huh???? or Lemmy's 'All good clean fun, have another stick of gum.' and from the same song....'We're moving like a parallelogram.' Otherwise, they might as well be singing in a made-up language - see Vander, C. To me, vocals are just an additional instrument to the mix....an important one I should add. As another example, I think both 'Misplaced Childhood' and 'Clutching at Straws' are brilliant albums, and many people say that Fish is/was a brilliant lyricist, but I don't have the faintest idea what these albums are supposed to be about. And to be honest, I don't care. I guess I'm just too shallow...I never did well (and still have absolutely no appreciation for) classical poetry and literature. I guess that's why I went into chemistry.... :) And I only know what HW songs are about because I *have* read all those books - just by coincidence I guess.... :) > "My Antarctica" There's an oxymoron for you..... > was confirmed in their latest effort, "Thank You" which, in case you don't > know, is a covers album. And do you have any idea who they cover ? You'll be > surprised... The Doors, Elvis Costello, Lou Reed, David Bowie, Bob Dylan > and... Led Zeppelin ! Uh huh, that's right, Led Zep. That's where they got > the album's title, BTW, since "Thank you" is the LZ track they cover. Oh my, yes, this is my favourite LZ track of all time.....glad I haven't had the pleasure of hearing this yet! :) What would an all-covers HW album include I wonder??? So far, they've only done 'Cymbaline' and 'Gimme Shelter'....this would be an interesting subject to get us back on topic......I nominate a cover of the Beatles' "Come Together" segued into Utopia's "The Wolfman Jack Show", which is based on the same riff I'd say. > I think that many DD fans don't even dare say they like the band in fear of > "reprisal". That shouldn't be. There's nothing to be ashamed of. Tony the Tiger agrees with you.... :) > >P.S. What the hell is Talk Talk??? > > Seriously ? I'm surprised you've never heard of them. Yeah, well, I still have no idea who the hell Oasis is either; and I just found out that the hideous song I had the misfortune of hearing about 3 or 4 months ago was by a band called 'Bush' or something....god, that was really bad. > They were quite > popular in the 80's. I guess you could call them a new wave band, kind of. > They had several hit singles back then, among which "It's my life", "Such a > shame" or "Living in another world". They have kind of disappeared from the > scene after the commercial catastrophe of their last LP, which most people > agree (even fans, I think) was a huge mistake and a very bad album. Can't > say, never heard that one myself... Nope, still doesn't ring a bell..... > > Alex S. Garcia > "The BOC fan who liked Duran Duran" Keith H. (FAA) "The HW fan who has to go all the way back to 'Chewy, Chewy' by the Ohio Express to find something really embarrassing to admit to listening to" From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jun 12 23:10:24 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:10:24 +1100 Subject: OFF: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards Message-ID: Hi people, This is just too interesting. Sonique -------------------------------------------------------------------- You all know about the Darwin Awards - It's an annual honor given to the person who did the gene pool the biggest service by killing themselves in the most extraordinarily stupid way. Last year's winner was the fellow who was killed by a Coke machine which toppled over on top of him as he was attempting to tip a free soda out of it. And this year's nominee is: The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering metal embedded into the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it was a car. The type of car was unidentifiable at the scene. The lab finally figured out what it was and what had happened. It seems that a guy had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit (Jet Assisted Take Off - actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used to give heavy military transport planes an extra "push" for taking off from short airfields. He had driven his Chevy Impala out into the desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. Then he attached the JATO unit to his car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off the JATO! The facts as best as could be determined are that the operator of the 1967 Impala hit JATO ignition at a distance of approximately 3.0 miles from the crash site. This was established by the prominent scorched and melted asphalt at that location. The JATO, if operating properly, would have reached maximum thrust within 5 seconds, causing the Chevy to reach speeds well in excess of 350 mp and continuing at full power for an additional 20- 25 seconds. The driver, soon to be pilot, most likely would have experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog-fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners, basically causing him to become insignificant for the remainder of the event. However, the automobile remained on the straight highway for about 2.5 miles (15-20) seconds before the driver applied and completely melted the brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick rubber marks on the road surface, then becoming airborne for an additional 1.4 miles and impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 feet leaving a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock. Most of the driver's remains were not recoverable; however, small fragments of bone, teeth and hair were extracted from the crater and fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a portion of the steering wheel. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jun 13 00:05:08 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 00:05:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: Duran Duran Message-ID: >Well, this doesn't really matter to anyone else I suppose, but I don't give a >rat's patooie about lyrics...I only ever notice them at all when they just >happen to be too bizarre *not* to notice....you know, like Amon Duul II's >'Green bubbles came out of the crystal thing....' Huh???? I'm way on the other side on this one. While lyrics alone can't save a piece, I can't consider a piece great without good and deep lyrics. Whichi is one of the reasons I like BOC so much, but then they've had stuff to offer on both sides. Much of the criticism of recent BOC pieces are that they were okay musically but shallow lyrics-wise (though I thought Harvest Moon's were fine by all means)... >What would an all-covers HW album include I wonder??? So far, they've only >done 'Cymbaline' and 'Gimme Shelter'....this would be an interesting subject While on the topic of Hawkwind covers, the ex-hawks have quite a few. Some Floyd covers can be found on "Saucerful of Pink", which includes Nik Turner doing "Careful with that Axe, Eugene", and Simon House and Len Del Rio doing "Interstellar Overdrive". At least half the bands sound familiar in space rock circles... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Jun 13 00:39:30 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:39:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards In-Reply-To: <199606130517.PAA21651@burwood.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Paul G Ward wrote: > The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering metal > embedded into the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of > a curve. The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it > was a car. The type of car was unidentifiable at the scene. The lab > finally figured out what it was and what had happened. > [ ... ] > ... the automobile remained on the straight highway for about 2.5 miles > (15-20) seconds before the driver applied and completely melted the > brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick rubber marks on the road > surface, then becoming airborne for an additional 1.4 miles and > impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 feet leaving a blackened > crater 3 feet deep in the rock. OK... how does a Chevy Impala become airborne? The first paragraph implies that the truck was on the road below the crash site. Now, unless a Chevy Impala has wings, it shouldn't be able to rise above the road, no matter how fast (up to escape velocity, at any rate). Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jun 13 04:22:08 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 04:22:08 -0400 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: Just noticed the hit count is up to 158, and they've fixed the track lengths! - Andy From hdboc at TELEVAR.COM Thu Jun 13 04:22:11 1996 From: hdboc at TELEVAR.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 01:22:11 -0700 Subject: BOC: Boston in June/July Message-ID: No B?C concerts in that area during that time. You can check my web page for the current B?C concert schedule. Jack http://j-and-a.com/boc.html P Worley wrote: > > I'm going to be in the Boston area (Waltham actually) from June 25 to July > 10. Does anybody know of any BOC/Surgeons concerts nearby (50 miles or > so) during that time? > > Danka, > -Pete > > -- > Peter William Worley > inhaler at u.washington.edu > Phone: (206) 547-6164 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Jun 13 09:54:24 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:54:24 BST Subject: HW boring ?... In-Reply-To: Alex S. Garcia's message of Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:24:48 +0200 Message-ID: > for the kind of music I listen to, well - apart from the obvious (BOC) - I > like prog bands (like Kansas, King Crimson, Marillion, Dream Theater, Styx) > and all kinds of other stuff : Pink Floyd, Supertramp, U2, The Police, ... My recommendation would be to try Palace Springs. Dave. From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Jun 13 04:58:57 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:58:57 +0200 Subject: HW: punk? Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Chris Bates wrote: > > > > hallucinogenics (and mighty fun it is)...... they are more of a > > > psychedelic punk-band than a prog-band. > > > > This punk idea is touted a lot on boc-l, I think it sucks large > > quantities of dead penguin dick. But then I always thought that > > punk was either made by brainless no-talents (Discharge anyone?) > > or was marketing hype. > > But don't brainless no-talents and marketing hype infest every corner of > the music industry? I'm sure it's not confined to punk. :-) > > (There *are* good punk bands you know.) Definetly. Dead Kennedys, Germs, Fear, The Damned, Ramones, Stooges........ to name a few. > > > Years ago Huw Lloyd Langton was interviewd in *Guitarist* - he > I agree with you (especially given Dave Brock's blues background). I > think the "punk" tag comes from certain aspects often ascribed to punk > (but which I don't think are in the sole domain of punk), e.g., the > generally anti-establishment sentiment, and the idea that it is music "by > the people, for the people," i.e. the fact that you didn't need to have > years of music theory behind you and have to know millions of chords, > scales, and tunings to be able to get a band together with your mates and > play down the local pub. Both these themes are common to Hawkwind. > Certainly, in the beginning, Hawkwind often harped on about not being able > to play their instruments very well... :-) > HW Punk songs (musically/and/or/lyrically): Ejection Urban Guerilla Days of The Underground Brainbox Pollution Confrontation Born To Go Motorhead Kings of Speed Watching the Grass Grow Social Alliance New Wave: Church of Hawkwind Some Robert Calvert solo At least in my opinion....... Christian From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jun 13 10:20:46 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:20:46 BST Subject: HW: punk? Message-ID: > > HW Punk songs (musically/and/or/lyrically): > > Ejection > Urban Guerilla > Days of The Underground > Brainbox Pollution > Confrontation > Born To Go > Motorhead > Kings of Speed > Watching the Grass Grow > Social Alliance > Don't forget 'Shouldn't Do That' the punkiest bass line The Damned never used. bye - Rob From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 04:47:03 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:47:03 +0100 Subject: cancel Message-ID: Richard P. Manny wrote simply: > cancel BOC Seems a little extreme to me. I take it this guys a Brain Surgeons fan :-) Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 04:45:40 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:45:40 +0100 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: Chris Baxley wrote: > I think you're operating under too narrow a definition of "punk". To me it > describes any form of expression which, figuratively speaking, seeks > to shove an extended middle finger in the face of mainstream society. Nah, you're talking about *rebellion* which is part of being a teenager. Did the kids with mohicans and nose rings back in '76 call themselves punks? No I think not. That was probably a term applied by journalists or record industry marketing 'droids. Those kids were *rebels* and *not hippies* and *angry*. Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 04:40:12 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:40:12 +0100 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: Alex wrote: > >So you'll be familiar with Pink Floyd, Can, Gong, Van Der Graf Generator > >etc who all use(d) repetition and drones to create an atmosphere? > Sure Chris, but it's not systematic. 'tis with the bands I've listed. > When I > listened to those HW songs, I had this strange feeling that it always was > the same track ! I never felt that way with Pink Floyd (that's the only one > I've listened to from your list, though I've heard of the others but never > had a chance to try them out yet). Listen to early Floyd and you'll clearly see that they are coming from the same place as HW. Trippy droney stuff that either recreates or enhances the drug experience. Hmmm that's also what house music tries to do isn't it :-) This kind of stuff is totally different to the intellectual exercises of the prog mega-bands (Genesis, Yes, ELP), it's much more visceral. And later he wrote: > >Um... if I don't know which songs you heard, how can I possibly say > >whether all HW songs are "like that?" :-) > > By "like that", I meant bland. That all sound alike. Untold albums over the last 26 years with a vast range of styles. Bland? Maybe. My Mum thinks they're rubbish too, but then at least she can explain her reasons, and I'm sure she'd never claim that gentle synth pieces sound like balls-out rockers. *all sound alike*. Arse. > like prog bands (like Kansas, King Crimson, Marillion, Dream Theater, Styx) > and all kinds of other stuff : Pink Floyd (I don't really call them prog, > though I know some people do, but as you say : it is a nebulously defined > area in itself !), Supertramp, U2, The Police, Duran Duran (yes, you read > well !), Talk Talk, Toto... and tons of other bands, some more obscure as Oh, THAT kind of prog-rock. Not symphonic rock, not krautrock, not Canterbury, no, bland middle-of-the-road radio fair. Why didn't you say so earlier? Now I understand why you don't like HW. Let's take King Crimson as a starting point; do you like their early noisy albums *In the Court...*, *Larks Tongues...* etc or the later (blander?) jazz-rock stuff such as *Red*? If it's the avant-guard things then you might be able to get into HW - try the first album. Otherwise it's probably too different to what you're used to. I wouldn't advise spending money on things you're gonna hate. Try borrowing a few albums, or get a compilation - somebody on boc-l can surely recommend a nice diverse one. > well. All in all, I have rather eclectic tastes, I think. What I *don't* > like though is techno music and also the more heavier rock, like thrash, > death metal, etc... (and rap - I can't stand rap) BOC is about as hard as I > go. The only hard rock stuff I like, all things considered, are the old hard > rock bands like Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple... Does that help ? Doesn't really help. As I suggested before try Levitation, but that's a hard rock album so don't play it too loud. Seriously though, why bother? Tastes vary, if you don't like something, you don't like it. C'est la vie. Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 04:14:27 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:14:27 +0100 Subject: HW: punk? Message-ID: Martyn pointed out: > Also there was an almost violent anti-hippy sentiment > to punk which would put it at odds to HW That's what put me off, I'm sure. In my formative years you were either a hippy or a punk, and later a mod or a headbanger and, frankly at my school all the cool people were hippies/headbangers. Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 04:11:47 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:11:47 +0100 Subject: HW: punk? Message-ID: Paul wrote: > think the "punk" tag comes from certain aspects often ascribed to punk > (but which I don't think are in the sole domain of punk), e.g., the > generally anti-establishment sentiment, and the idea that it is music "by > the people, for the people," Totally agree! The anti-establishment/rebellion thing is, in a sense, what rock has always been about. Rock and roll, skiffle, metal, punk, rap, acid house - whatever you want to name is a rebellion against the past. All of these things eventually become the establishment against which they initially rebelled. Anyone who was old/young enough to notice what happenend in '76/'77 will remember that punk was rebellion for about 6 months before it became the establishment and a fashion statement. The one thing we can say with certainty about HW is that they have NEVER become establishment. they are probbaly the only band in the world that could contain Ginger Baker and yet not have nice things said about 'em by the middle of the road press :-) > i.e. the fact that you didn't need to have years of music theory > behind you and have to know millions of chords, scales, and tunings > to be able to get a band together with your mates and play down the > local pub. Both these themes are common to Hawkwind. > Certainly, in the beginning, Hawkwind often harped on about not being able > to play their instruments very well... :-) Of course you really never did need loads of music theory. The history of popular music in the 20th century has two periods where theory was king - jazz/be-bop and prog-rock. For the rest (country, blues, rock and roll etc) most people got by with as little knowledge as they could manage. Theory matters but a good ear and loads of self-belief are more important. Chris From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 11:47:16 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:47:16 BST Subject: HW boring ?... In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:42:29 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > 2) Hawkwind have probably covered just about every style in the known > universe at one time or the other. :-) I'm still waiting with baited breath for a Country & Western cover :-) "Oh My dog got kidnapped by a UFO And my wife was downloaded and she's runnin' too slow My spaceship's been impounded by the repo man All I got left is in a labelled can...." FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 11:50:21 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:50:21 BST Subject: HW boring ?... In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:26:33 -0400 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > Sighted recently: "Masters of the Universe", Marble Arch, for $7.00 worth it? > 3 songs are from Levitation, which I have, are these the same versions? > I have Master of the Universe, but only the Live Chronicles and SR versions, > I gather this probably isn't those... And I have the Motorhead from the > pink "Warrior on the Edge" bonus track. But I don't have the others ("Shot > Down in the Night", "Angels of Death" (except Live Chronicles stab), or > "Quark, Strangeness and Charm".... This is exactly why we sepnt two years doing the Codex - check it out: Cheers FoFP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hawkwind Codex: Version 2.2 23rd May 1996 ============================================== (C) April 1993 by Mike Holmes and Jill Strobridge 3 or 4 Erections in the Course of a Night 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous 25 Years 1 Hawklords 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 2 25 Years/ PXR5/ Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid 12" EP 2 25 Years/Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid 7" 2 Repeat Performance 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 3 The Hawklords Live 5/4 1 Out And Intake A Day 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 The Agents of Chaos LP * This contains Nocturne and the lyrics from Treadmill Abducted 1 Alien4 L 2 Love In Space Acid Test SEE: Dream Worker Adjust Me 1 X In Search Of Space 1 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords The Age Of The Micro Man 1 Hawklords L 2 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 {Micro Man} Alien (I Am) 1 Alien4 1 a Area S4 EP L 2 Nova Drive [bootleg CD] {Aliens} L 3 Love In Space * 1a is an edit of 1 Aliens SEE: Alien (I Am) Altair SEE: Wave Upon Wave Am I Fooling 1 White Zone Announcements L 1 Dawn of Hawkwind CD * also on Greasy Truckers, Assassins of Allah LP and Weird 106 but not listed separately Angel Voices 1 Angels of Death 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] Angels Of Death L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock {Angels of Life} L 1 British Tribal Music L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II L 1 Acid Daze Vol. II L 1 The Hawkwind Collection L 1 Ironstrike L 1 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] L 1 Night Riding L 1 Silver Machine Live 12" EP L 1 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 1 Best of Hawkwind L 1 Space Is Deep L 2 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 2 Independent Days, Vol. II L 2 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD L 3 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] 4 Sonic Attack 4 Angels of Death 4 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 4 a Angels of Death/ Trans Dimensional Man 7" L 5 The Golden Void L 6 Orgasmatron L 7 Live Chronicles L 7 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 8 Live At Reading '86 L 9 Undisclosed Files L 9 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples * 7" single version is cut version from the Sonic Attack album. Angels of Life SEE Angels of Death Are You Losing Your Mind? SEE The Iron Dream Arioch 1 Independent Days, Vol. II 1 Needle Gun 12" EP 1 Needle Gun/ Arioch 7" 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword [Flicknife and Griffin CD only] Arrival In Utopia 1 Choose Your Masques 1 Angels of Death 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Live At Reading '86 {Utopia} L 3 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 4 Damnation Alley [bootleg CD] L 5 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Assassin (Magick Carpet Mix) 1 Decide Your Future * This mix done by Swordfish/Astralasia Assassination 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins {The Dream I;Assassination;The Dream II} 2 Church of Hawkwind {Some People never Die} [LP and CD] 2 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 2 Earthed to the Ground * 2 is based on demo version 1 Assassins of Allah SEE Hassan I Sabha Assault And Battery 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Zarozinia/ Assault and Battery 7" L 2 Zarozinia 12" EP L 2 Independent Days, Vol. II L 2 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword [Flicknife CD only] L 2 Live Chronicles [2CD set only] L 3 Live At Reading '86 L 4 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 5 Damnation Alley [bootleg CD] L 6 Palace Springs {Lives of Great Men} L 6 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 7 Rock City {misnamed track: see Letting in the Past} The Aubergine That Ate Rangoon 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music Automation 1 Hawklords L 2 Hawklords Live 1978 Avante 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous L 2 Rock City CD The Awakening L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 Stasis CD * See also: Over The Top Back in the Box L 1 Palace Springs L 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords L 3 California Brainstorm * Lyrics borrowed from "In The Office" and "Words of a Song" Back on the Streets 1 Back on the Streets/ The Dream of Isis 7" 1 Repeat Performance 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music [Griffin CD] L 2 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 Bay of Bengal 1 White Zone Beam Me Up 1 Alien4 Berlin Axis L 1 The Business Trip Be Yourself 1 Hawkwind L 2 The Text of Festival LP {Improvise, Comprise, Reprise} L 3 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] The Black Corridor L 1 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 1 Space Rock From London L 1 a BBC Radio - Live in Concert CD L 2 Space Ritual Alive L 2 Stasis * 1a is a remix of 1 Black Elk Speaks 1 Space Bandits 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] Black Sun 1 Quark Strangeness and Charm CD single Blue Dreamer SEE: Dream Worker Blue Shift 1 Electric Teepee 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords L 3 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Blue Skin 1 Alien4 L 2 Love In Space Bombed Out 1 Weird 107 - Dave Brock Born To Go L 1 Greasy Trucker's Party L 1 Assassins of Allah LP L 1 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 1 Space Ritual Alive [remastered CD only] L 1 a Lord of Light/ Born to Go 7" L 1 a Silver Machine/7 by 7/Lord of Light/Born to Go German double 7" EP L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD L 1 a Acid Daze Vol. III L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP L 1 a The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 1 a The Early Years Live EP L 1 a Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 1 a The Hawkwind Collection L 1 a Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 1 a Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 L 1 a Best of Hawkwind L 1 a Space Ritual Alive [remastered CD only] L 2 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 2 Space Rock from London L 2 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 3 Space Ritual Alive L 3 Stasis CD L 3 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 4 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] L 5 Nova Drive [bootleg CD] * 1a is cut version of 1 * versions 1 1a and 3 all feature on remastered Space Ritual Alive CD * 2a is a remix of 2 Bosnia SEE: Death Of War Brainbox Pollution 1 Stasis 1 Urban Guerilla/ Brainbox Pollution 7" 1 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 1 Doremi Fasol Latido [remastered CD only] Brainstorm 1 Doremi Fasol Latido 1 Masters of the Universe [Compilation] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 2 Space Rock from London L 2 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 3 BBC Transcription Disc - The Brian Matthews Show L 3? Dawn of Hawkwind L 4 Space Ritual Alive L 4 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 5 Space Ritual II L 5 Ridicule L 5 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 6 Acid Daze Vol II {Watchfield Festival} L 6 Hawkwind Anthology Vol.II {Watchfield Festival} L 7 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 [Second release of tape only] L 8 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 9 Live '79 L 9 Ironstrike L 9 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 9 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 10 Zones 10 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 11 Orgasmatron L 12 Live Chronicles {Wizards of Pan Tang} L 13 Live At Reading '86 L 14 Chronicle of the Black Sword [Dojo and Griffin CD only] {Voice Inside My Head} L 15 Traveller's Aid Trust L 16 Damnation Alley [bootleg CD] L 17 California Brainstorm L 18 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] * 2a is a remix of 2 * Versions 4 and 5 are from the same tour * Version 6 contains just the intro at the end of a jam * Version 12 is the middle of Brainstorm with extra lyrics overlaid Bring It On Home 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP 1 Acid Daze Vol. III 1 The Hawkwind Collection 1 Night Riding 1 Space Is Deep 1 * Hawkwind [remastered CD only] * this version is identical to the one originally issued on the "Buskers" compilation album British Tribal Music 1 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I 1 Acid Daze Vol. I 1 Best of Hawkwind 1a Castle Masters Collection 1a British Tribal Music * 1a this version starts with an explosion that properly belongs to the end of a previous track (see High Rise) Cajun Jinx 1 Out And Intake 1 Night of the Hawk CD Cake Out L 1 The Hawkwind Collection {Hash Cake '77} L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II {Hash Cake '77} L 1 Acid Daze Vol. II {Hash Cake '77} L 1 Space Is Deep {Hash Cake} L 1 a Weird 103 - Free Festivals L 1 a Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 1 a Castle Masters Collection {Hash Cake '77} L 1 a Best of Hawkwind {Hash Cake '77} * 1a is 1 without the intro Came Home 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP 1 Acid Daze Vol. III 1 Castle Masters Collection 1 Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 * this track is listed on In the Beginning LP and CD (also issued as Masters of the Universe CD) and Text of Festival LP and CD but does not exist on either. The Camera That Could Lie SEE Processed Chaos Army 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword Children Of The Sun 1 X In Search Of Space Choose Your Masks 1 Weird 107 - Dave Brock 2 Choose Your Masques 2 Angels of Death L 3 The Golden Void L 4 Live Chronicles The Chronicle of the Black Sword L 1 Live Chronicles [2CD set only] * narration Chronoglide Skyway 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 2 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976/77 The Church 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] Circles SEE The Fifth Second of Forever City Of Lagoons 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music Coded Languages 1 Sonic Attack L 2 * The Golden Void L 3 * Out And Intake CD L 4 * Undisclosed Files [LP Only] L 5 * Undisclosed Files [CD Only] L 5 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples * Versions 2 and 3 are from the same tour * Versions 4 and 5 are from the same tour Confrontation 1 Out And Intake 1 Night Of The Hawk Conjuration Of Magnu L 1 Live Chronicles Countdown L 1 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 1 Hawkfan 12" L 1 Space Rock From London L 1 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD * 1a is a remix of 1 Cymbaline 1 * Hawkwind [remastered CD only] * this track is a cover of the original Pink Floyd track D-Rider 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill 1 a Psychedelic Warlords/Hall of the Mountain Grill/D-Rider/Wind of Change US EP * 1a is an edit of 1 Damage of Life L 1 Traveller's Aid Trust 2 Church of Hawkwind [CD only] L 3 Nova Drive [bootleg CD] * 2 is a studio edit and remix of 1 Damnation Alley 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Rock On - with Hawkwind and Van Der Graaf Generator ? 1 a Hassan I Sabha/Damnation Alley Part 2 Italian 7" L 2 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 2 Weird 103 - Free Festivals L 3 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 4 Damnation Alley [bootleg CD] L 5 Palace Springs L 5 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 6 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] * 1a is a cut from the last part of 1 Damned By The Curse of Man L 1 Undisclosed Files Dangerous Vision 1 Zones 1 Zones/Stonehenge CD The Dark Lords L 1 Live Chronicles Dawn/Sunrise L 1 Dawn of Hawkwind CD A Day 1 The Agents of Chaos 1 Dave Brock & The Agents of Chaos CD The Day A Wall Came Down L 1 The Business Trip Days Of The Underground 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Rock On - with Hawkwind and Van Der Graaf Generator Dead God's Homecoming L 1 Live Chronicles [2CD set only] * narration Dealing With The Devil 1 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 1 Castle Masters Collection 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP 1 Acid Daze Vol. III 1 The Hawkwind Collection 1 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 1 Best of Hawkwind Death of War 1 Electric Teepee 2 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams {Bosnia} Death Trap L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 1 Sonic Assassins 12" EP L 1 Victoria double album L 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 2 PXR5 2 Psi Power/ Deathtrap 7" L 3 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 L 3 a The Hawklords Live L 4 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 4 Zones/Stonehenge CD 5 Area S4 EP 5 Alien4 L 6 Love In Space * 3 and 3a are from the same tour The Demented Man 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time The Demise 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword 1 Live Chronicles {Lords of Chaos} Disintegration 1 Sonic Attack Don't Understand 1 Electric Teepee L 2 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] Do That SEE - You Shouldn't Do That Douglas In The Jungle 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II 1 Acid Daze Vol. II 1 The Hawkwind Collection 1 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords 1 Castle Masters Collection 1a Best of Hawkwind * 1a is a cut version of 1 Down on Her Knees 1 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 Down Through The Night 1 Doremi Fasol Latido 1 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 2 Space Ritual Alive L 2 Stasis CD L 3 Damnation Alley [bootleg CD] L 4 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] Dragons & Fables 1 The Earth Ritual Preview EP 1 Independent Days, Vol. II 1 Utopia 1984 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD L 2 Live Chronicles L 3 Undisclosed Files Dragon Song L 1 Live Chronicles [2CD set only] * narration The Dream SEE - Assassination Dream Dancers 1 Independent Days, Vol. II 1 The Earth Ritual Preview EP 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 1 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD The Dream II SEE - Assassination The Dream Goes On SEE - The Iron Dream The Dream Has Ended SEE - You Know You're Only Dreaming Dream Worker 1 Choose Your Masques 2 Zones 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 3 Live At Reading '86 L 4 Travellers Aid Trust {Blue Dreamer} L 5 Damnation Alley [bootleg CD] L 6 Palace Springs {Acid Test} The Dream of Isis 1 Back on the Streets/ The Dream of Isis 7" 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music [Griffin CD] Dreaming City L 1 Live Chronicles L 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Drug Cabinet Key SEE Flying Doctor Dust Of Time 1 Levitation 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 1 Ironstrike 1 Masters of the Universe [Marble Arch Rock CD] 1 Spirit of the Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 1 Silver Machine {Spectrum compilation} 1 a Night Riding L 2 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 3 The Golden Void * The 1a version contains a guitar intro from a previous track Dying Seas 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time Earth Calling L 1 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 1 Space Rock From London L 1 a BBC Radio - Live in Concert CD L 1 b Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 L 1 c Friends And Relations II (Twice Upon A Time) L 1 c Hawkwind Friends And Relations - The Rarities CD L 1 d British Tribal Music L 1 d Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 1 d The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II L 1 d Acid Daze Vol. II L 1 d The Hawkwind Collection L 1 d Best of Hawkwind L 2 Space Ritual Alive L 2 Stasis CD * 1a is an edit of 1 * 1b is a cut of 1 * 1c is a cut of 1b * 1d is a cut of 1c Earthed To The Ground 1 Earthed to the Ground 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 a Friends & Relations III {Wired Up For Sound} 1 a Best of Hawkwind, Friends & Relations CD {Wired Up For Sound} * 1a is based on 1 Ejection 1 * Doremi Fasol Latido [remastered CD only] L 2 Hawkfan 12" L 3 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 4 Night of the Hawk CD 4 Out And Intake L 5 Undisclosed Files L 6 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 7 Damnation Alley [bootleg CD] L 8 California Brainstorm L 9 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed * a remastered version of the original 7" single solo release by Bob Calvert Electric Teepee 1 Electric Teepee Electronic #1 L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 a Space Ritual II {Space} L 1 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] * 1 and 1a are from the same tour Elements L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals Elfin L 1 Love In Space Elric The Enchanter 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword Elric The Enchanter Part 1 L 2 Live Chronicles (1CD) {narration} L 2 Live Chronicles [2CD set] * narration Elric The Enchanter Part 2 L 1 Live Chronicles EMG 1 The Xenon Codex Empty Dreams 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 The Agents of Chaos Encounters 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Eons * SEE: Snake Dance (*) This track could be the name of the Wishart song that was edited out of California Brainstorm. Etchanatae L 1 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 Experiment with Destiny [See also Virgin of the World] 1 Church of Hawkwind * instrumental version only. The lyrics printed are not used Fable Of A Failed Race 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge [1?] Hassan I Sabha/Fable of a Failed Race 7" Fahrenheit 451 1 Angels of Death 1 Choose Your Masques Fall of Earth City 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] Festivals 1 Alien4 The Fifth Second Of Forever L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals {Circles} L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield {Circles} 2 Levitation 2 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 2 Silver Machine CD 3 Weird 107 - Dave Brock {Circles} L 4 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic {Circles} L 4 Utopia 1984 {Circles} L 4 Zones/Stonehenge CD {Circles} Fight Sequence L 1 Live Chronicles The Final Fight L 1 Live Chronicles [2CD set only] * narration First Landing on Medusa 1 Weird 107 - Dave Brock Flight to Maputo 1 Out And Intake 1 Night of the Hawk CD Flying Doctor 1 Hawklords 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge L 2 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 [First release of tape only] L 2 Friends And Relations III {Drug Cabinet Key} The Forge Of Vulcan 1 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 2 Quark Strangeness And Charm 2 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Forge of Vulcan 7" 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] Free Fall L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 1 Sonic Assassins 12" EP L 1 Victoria double album L 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 2 Hawklords L 3 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 Frenzzy 1 White Zone 1 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples Frisco Jam L 1 Dawn of Hawkwind CD Gaga L 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 1 Early Daze Garden Pests 1 Electric Teepee Gateway 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Ghost Dance L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 1 Acid Daze Vol. I L 1 British Tribal Music L 1 The Hawkwind Collection LP L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology 3CD box set (Castle Communications) L 1 Castle Masters Collection CD only L 1 Silver Machine CD L 1 a Best of Hawkwind L 2 Out and Intake L 3 The Golden Void L 4 * Hawkfan 12" L 5 Undisclosed Files - Addendum [CD Only] * 1a is a cut version of 1 * 4 is a "live edit" Gimme Shelter 1 Gimme Shelter charity rock CD [Hawkwind & Samantha Fox] 1 a It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous * 1a is a remix of 1 Goat Willow 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill Going to Hawaii 1 Electric Teepee The Golden Void 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time 1 Roadhawks 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Friends And Relations I L 2 Victoria double album L 2 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Anagram] L 3 The Golden Void L 4 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 5 Damnation Alley [bootleg CD] L 6 Palace Springs {Void of Golden Light} L 6 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 7 California Brainstorm {Void's End} L 8 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 9 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] L 10 Rock City L 11 The Business Trip {Void of Golden Light} * Version 7 is a cut from the end of a live version and contains no vocals Good Evening 1 The Xenon Codex Green Finned Demon 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 Earthed to the Ground 2 The Earth Ritual Preview EP 2 Night Of The Hawk 2 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 2 a Night of the Hawk/ Green Finned Demon 7" L 3 Rock City L 4 The Business Trip L 4 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples * 2 is based on demo track 1 * 2a is a cut of 2 Hades Deep 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 The Agents of Chaos LP Hall Of The Mountain Grill 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill 1 Psychedelic Warlords/Hall of the Mountain Grill/D-Rider/Wind of Change US EP 1 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 1 US Forces Radio album featuring Hawkwind & Jefferson Starship Hash Cake '77 SEE: Cake Out Hassan I Sabha 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] ? 1 a Hassan I Sabha/Damnation Alley Part 2 Italian 7" ? 1 a Hassan I Sabha/Fable of a Failed Race 7" L 2 a Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 {Assassins of Allah} L 2 b Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line 3 Out And Intake {Assassins of Allah} 3 Night Of The Hawk {Assassins of Allah} L 4 Live At Reading '86 L 4 Italian "Vinile" freebie single {Assassins of Allah} L 4? Assassins of Allah LP L 5 a The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords {Assassins of Allah} L 5 b California Brainstorm {Assassins of Allah} L 6 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 7 Rock City {Hashish} L 8 Love In Space {Assassins} * 1a is an edit of 1 (assumed) * 2a and 2b are from the same tour * 5a and 5b are from the same tour Heads 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 The Agents of Chaos LP 2 The Xenon Codex 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 3 Undisclosed Files L 4 Palace Springs L 5 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] Hearing Aid Test 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Heart Attack 1 White Zone Hi Tech Cities 1 The Agents of Chaos LP 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD L 2 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords High Rise 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield 1 a The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I 1 a Acid Daze Vol. I 1 a Best of Hawkwind 1 b Castle Masters Collection 1 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 2 PXR5 LP 2 Repeat Performance 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 2 Tales From Atom Henge 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 3 * PXR5 CD 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line 5 The Hawklords Live * 1a is a remix of 1 * All versions 1,2 and 3 are from the same tour * Version 2 appeared on the original PXR5 LP. Version 3 appeared on the rerelease and on the PXR5 CD. * 1b the sound of an explosion at the end of version 1 and 1a has been cut out in editing (see British Tribal Music) Honky Dorky 1 Kerb Crawler/ Honky Dorky 7" 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music [Griffin CD] Horn Of Destiny SEE Horn of Fate Horn Of Fate 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword {Horn of Destiny} L 2 Live Chronicles [1CD version] L 2 Live Chronicles [2CD set] {Horn of Fate (Destiny)} L 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Hurry On Sundown 1 Hawkwind Zoo 12" EP 1 Last Chance 7" EP 1 Motorhead/Hurry On Sundown 7" 1 Victoria Double Album 1 Independent Days Vol 1 1 Night of the Hawk 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-85 1 a Hawkwind [remastered CD only] L 2 In The beginning {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 Live 70-73 {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 Welcome To The Future {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 The Text of Festival {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 Early Daze {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD L 2 a Weird 106 - Hawkwind Live 1970-73 L 2 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol III LP L 2 a Acid Daze Vol III L 2 a British Tribal Music L 2 a Castle Masters Collection L 2 a Hawkwind Anthology 3CD box set (Castle Communications) L 2 a Best of Hawkwind L 2 a Space Is Deep 3 Hawkwind 3 Hurry on Sundown / Mirror of Illusion 7" 3 (The Best of The Psychedelic Warlords) 3 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 3 a Roadhawks 3 b US double 7" EP * 1a is an edit of 1. * versions 1 and 1a both feature on the remastered Hawkwind CD * 2a is an edit and cut of 2. * 3a is segued into Paranoia on the Roadhawks album * 3b is a cut version of 3 I Am The Eye That Looks Within 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] Identimate 1 Church of Hawkwind [CD only] I Do It SEE We Do It Images 1 Space Bandits 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords L 2 California Brainstorm [Cyclone CD only] L 3 Orgasmatron Improvise..Compromise..Reprise. The Text Of Festival LP - SEE: You Shouldn't Do That The Text Of Festival CD - SEE: Be Yourself, Paranoia (*) This track was misnamed for another track on the CD In The Egg 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin 1 Early Daze 1 Live '70/'73 1 Welcome To The Future In the Office 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 The Agents of Chaos LP Infinity 1 PXR5 In Search of Shangrila 1 White Zone Into the Realms 1 The Agents of Chaos LP It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] It's Never Too Late 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams The Iron Dream 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Iron Dream 7" L 2 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 L 3 The Business Trip {The Dream Goes On} 4 * Area S4 EP {Are You Losing Your Mind?} 4 * Alien4 {Are You Losing Your Mind?} L 5 * Love In Space {Are You Losing Your Mind?} * This version has lyrics added The Island 1 Zones 1 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 2 Live Chronicles {Dust of Time} L 3 Live At Reading '86 * This is the instrumental section only from Dust of Time. No lyrics. * Version 1 includes the guitar solo from 5 Seconds of Forever * Version 3 is unlisted but is part of a segue. It's So Easy L 1 Masters of the Universe [Compilation] L 1 Psychedelic Warlords/ It's so Easy 7" L 1 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 1 Hall of the Mountain Grill [remastered CD only] Jack Of Shadows 1 PXR5 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge Jam SEE: You Shouldn't Do That The Joker At The Gate 1 Angels of Death 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] Journey 1 Alien4 1 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples Kadu Flyer 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music Kapal 1 Alien4 L 2 Love In Space Kerb Crawler 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 1 Kerb Crawler/ Honky Dorky 7" 1 Repeat Performance 1 Rock On - with Hawkwind and Van Der Graaf Generator 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] Kings Of Speed 1 Hawkwind Zoo 12" EP 1 Independent Days, Vol. II 1 Victoria double album 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 1 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD 2 Warrior On The Edge Of Time LP [United Artists] 2 Warrior On The Edge Of Time CD [Dojo] 2 a Kings of Speed/ Motorhead 7" 2 a Kings of Speed/Kings of Speed US 7" 2 a Warrior On The Edge Of Time LP [Atco] 2 a Warrior On The Edge Of Time CD [Griffin] * 2a is an edit of 2 * The US single is stereo on one side and mono on the other Kiss of the Velvet Whip SEE Sweet Mistress of Pain The Last Messiah 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] 1 Angels of Death La Forge 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Let Barking Dogs Lie 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous Letting In The Past SEE Looking in the Future Levitation 1 Levitation 1 Ironstrike 1 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] 1 Night Riding 1 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 1 Silver Machine CD L 2 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 2 Utopia 1984 L 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 3 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Life Form 1 PXR5 Light Specific Data 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] Lighthouse L 1 Live '79 L 1 a Live - St.Albans 1979 * 1a is a poorer mix of 1 Live and Let Live 1 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 Lives of Great Men SEE Assault And Battery Living On A Knife Edge 1 Angels of Death 1 Sonic Attack (*) Some of the lyrics from this track used in "Processed" Looking In The Future 1 Weird 107 - Dave Brock 1 a Angels of Death 1 a Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] 2 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous {Letting in the Past} L 3 Rock City {Assault And Battery Part 1} * 1a is a remix of 1 Lord Of Light 1 Doremi Fasol Latido 1 Stasis 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 a Lord of Light/ Born to Go 7" 1 a Silver Machine/7 by 7/Lord of Light/Born to Go German double 7" EP 1 a Doremi Fasol Latido [remastered CD only] L 2 Space Ritual Alive L 2 Lord of Light * 1a is an edit of 1 versions 1 and 1a both feature on the remastered Doremi Fasol Latido CD Lords Of Chaos SEE The Demise Lost Chances 1 Sonic Attack Lost Chronicles 1 The Xenon Codex 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Lost Johnny 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill 1 Masters of the Universe [Compilation] Love in Space 1 White Zone L 2 * Love In Space * 2 is a substantially reworked version with lyrics LSD 1 Electric Teepee 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 3 The Business Trip Machine Dream 1 Earthed to the Ground 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD Magnu 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 2 British Tribal Music L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II L 2 Acid Daze Vol. II L 2 Castle Masters Collection L 2 * Night Riding L 2 * Masters of the Universe [Marble Arch] L 2 * Spirit of the Age [Elite compilation] L 2 * The Hawkwind Collection L 2 * Ironstrike L 2 * Best of Hawkwind L 2 Silver Machine Live 12" EP L 2 a Silver Machine/Magnu 7" L 2 a Silver Machine/Magnu 7" motorbike shaped pic disk L 3 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 4 The Golden Void L 5 Orgasmatron L 6 Live Chronicles L 7 Live At Reading '86 L 8 Damnation Alley [bootleg CD] L 9 Nova Drive [bootleg CD] * Magnu is not listed on the tracklist for these albums but appears as part of the Magnu/Angels of Death live version. * 2a is a faded cut of 2 Make What You Can 1 Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 Mask of Morning 1 Electric Teepee L 2 Orgasmatron L 3 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] (*) Lyrics taken from "Mirror of Illusion" Master Of The Universe L 1 In The Beginning L 1 The Text Of Festival L 1 Welcome To The Future L 1 Live '70/'73 2 X In Search of Space 2 Masters of the Universe [UA Compilation] 2 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 2 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 2 a US double 7" EP L 3 Orgasmatron L 4 Greasy Trucker's Party L 4 Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 L 4 Assassins of Allah LP L 4 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 4 Space Ritual Alive [remastered CD only] L 5 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 5 Space Rock from London L 5 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 6 Space Ritual Alive L 6 a Space Ritual II L 6 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 6 a Ridicule L 6 a Early Daze L 7 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 8 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 9 Live '79 L 10 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 11 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 L 12 Motorway City/ Master of the Universe 7" L 12 Ironstrike L 12 Castle Masters Collection L 12 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 12 The Hawkwind Collection L 12 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] L 12 Night Riding L 12 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 12 Acid Daze Vol. I L 12 Best of Hawkwind L 12 Space Is Deep L 13 Live Chronicles L 13 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 14 Bristol Custom Bike Show L 14 Assassins of Allah LP L 14 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 15 Live At Reading '86 L 16 Undisclosed Files [LP Only] L 17 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] L 18 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] * 2a is a cut version of 2 * versions 4 and 6 both feature on the remastered Space Ritual Alive 2CD * 5a is a remixed version of 5 * 6a is a different mix from 6 * there are two versions of Masters of the Universe on Assassins of Allah LP and Dawn of Hawkwind CD Mirror Of Illusion 1 Hawkwind 1 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 1 a Hurry on Sundown/ Mirror of Illusion 7" * 1a is a cut of 1 * The lyrics for this song are also used in Mask Of Morning Mists of Meridin 1 Church of Hawkwind [CD only] Moonbean 1 White Zone Moonglum L 1 Live Chronicles L 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Motherless Children 1 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD 1 Friends And Relations II LP (Twice Upon A Time) Motorhead 1 Kings of Speed/ Motorhead 7" 1 Warrior On the Edge of Time CD 2 British Tribal Music 2 Independent Days, Vol. I 2 Ironstrike 2 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] 2 Motorhead/ Valium 10 12" single 2 Motorhead/ Hurry on Sundown 7" 2 Motorhead/ Valium Ten 7" 2 Castle Masters Collection 2 Night Riding 2 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II 2 Acid Daze Vol. II 2 The Hawkwind Collection 2 Night Of The Hawk 2 Victoria double album 2 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 2 Best of Hawkwind 2 Space Is Deep 2 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD Motorway City L 1 Live '79 L 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 1 a Live - St.Albans 1979 2 Levitation 2 Ironstrike 2 Night Riding 2 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 2 Silver Machine CD L 3 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 4 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 5 Motorway City/ Master of the Universe 7" 5 Zones 5 Zones/Stonehenge CD 5 Independent Days, Vol. I 5 Night Of The Hawk 5 Utopia 1984 5 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD L 6 Undisclosed Files (*) 1a is a poorer mix of 1 Mountain in the Sky 1 The Agents of Chaos LP Mutation Zone 1 The Xenon Codex Narration SEE: Elric the Enchanter * not separately listed on the 1CD version Needle Gun 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword 1 Night of the Hawk 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 a Needle Gun/ Arioch 7" 1 a Needle Gun 12" EP L 2 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 3 Live Chronicles L 3 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 4 Live At Reading '86 L 5 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed * 1a is an edited version of 1. * track re-ordered on 2CD version but remains unchanged Neon Skyline 1 The Xenon Codex 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] New Jerusalem L 1 Orgasmatron L 1 a Live - St.Albans 1979 (*) 1 and 1a are from the same tour Night Of The Hawk 1 The Earth Ritual Preview EP 1 Night of the Hawk/ Green Finned Demon 7" 1 Independent Days, Vol. II 1 Night of the Hawk 1 Utopia 1984 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 1 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD L 2 California Brainstorm L 3 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Nocturne 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 The Agents of Chaos * This track is also the first part of "A Day" on the same album. Nova Drive L 1 Nova Drive [bootleg CD] Now Is The Winter Of Our Discontent SEE: Winter of Discontent Nuclear Drive 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] 1 Angels of Death 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] * Based on the music from version 1 of Nuclear Toy Nuclear Toy 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock 2 Who's Gonna Win the War?/ Nuclear Toy 7" 2 Levitation [Griffin CD Only] 2 Silver Machine CD On The Case 1 Earthed to the Ground 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD One Change 1 Doremi Fasol Latido The Only Ones 1 Hawklords 1 Repeat Performance (Only) The Dead Dreams Of The Cold War Kid 1 Hawklords 1 25 Years/ PXR5/ Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid 12" EP 1 25 Years/Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid 7" 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge L 2 Nova Drive [bootleg CD] Opa-Loka 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time Orgone Accumulator L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 Masters of the Universe [UA Compilation] L 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 1 a US double 7" EP L 2 Space Ritual II L 2 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 2 a Live '70/'73 L 2 a Welcome To The Future L 2 b Early Daze L 3 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 4 Undisclosed Files * 1a is a cut version of 1 * 2a is a cut version of 2 * 2b is a cut version of 2a * Versions 1 and 2 are from the same tour Oscillations 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 Earthed to the Ground Out Of The Shadows 1 Space Bandits 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 2 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 3 California Brainstorm L 4 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 5 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] Over the Top L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 1 Sonic Assassins 12" EP L 1 Independent Days, Vol. I L 1 Victoria double album L 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 L 1 The Hawklords Live L 1 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Anagram] L 1 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD * This also includes The Awakening PXR5 1 PXR5 1 a 25 Years/ PXR5/ Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid 12" EP * 1a is a cut version of 1 Paradox L 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill L 1 US Forces Radio album featuring Hawkwind & Jefferson Starship L 1 a Paradox/ You'd Better Believe It 7" L 1 a Stasis L 1 a Lord of Light L 1 a Hall of the Mountain Grill [remastered CD only] L 2 Nova Drive [bootleg CD] * 1a is a cut of 1 * Versions 1 and 1a both feature on the Hall of the Mountain Grill remastered CD Paranoia 1 Hawkwind 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 a Roadhawks 1 a (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 2 In The Beginning L 2 The Text Of Festival L 3 The Text Of Festival LP {Improvise, Comprise, Reprise} L 4 BBC Transcription Disc LP 4 Space Rock from London L 4 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 5 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 [First release of tape only] L 6 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords {Paranoia II} L 7 Bristol Custom Bike Show {Silver Machine/Paranoia} L 7 Dawn of Hawkwind CD {Silver Machine/Paranoia} L 7 Assassins of Allah LP L 8 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 9 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] * 1a is Part II only * Paranoia occurs twice on The Text of Festival LP * 6 is the intro only * 7 Paranoia is not separately listed on the Bristol Custom Bike Show Parasites Are Here On Earth 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams The Phenomenon of Luminosity 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock {Satellite} Photo Encounter L 1 Love In Space Pipe Dreams 1 White Zone 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Prelude 1 Levitation 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 1 Silver Machine CD Processed 1 Zones/ Processed 7" 2 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous {The Camera that Could Lie} 2 Decide Your Future EP and CD single {The Camera that Could Lie} L 3 The Business Trip {The Camera That Could Lie} L 3 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples * Lyrics taken from "Living on a Knife Edge" Psi Power 1 Hawklords 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 a Psi Power/ Deathtrap 7" 1 a Psi Power/Psi Power US 12" 1 a Repeat Performance 1 a Psi Power/Psi Power US 7" 1 b Psi Power/Psi Power US 7" L 2 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 3 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 3 Night Of The Hawk {Psychic Power} L 3 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 3 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Anagram] L 4 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] * 1a is an edit of 1 * 1b is an edit of 1a * The US 7" contains both the long and short single edits Psychedelia Lives SEE: Shot Down in the Night Psychedelic Warlords 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill 1 US Forces Radio album featuring Hawkwind & Jefferson Starship 1 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 a Psychedelic Warlords/ It's so Easy 7" 1 a Psychedelic Warlords/Hall of the Mountain Grill/D-Rider/Wind of Change US EP 1 a Stasis 1 a (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 1 a Hall of the Mountain Grill [remastered CD only] 2 Silver Machine 10th Anniversary 7" EP L 3 The Golden Void L 4 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 L 5 Rock City * 1a is an edit of 1 * Versions 1 and 1a both feature on the remastered Hall of the Mountain Grill CD Psychic Power SEE Psi Power Psychosis 1 Levitation 1 Ironstrike 1 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 1 Silver Machine CD L 2 This Is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 2 Utopia 1984 Psychosonia 1 Sonic Attack 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] The Pulsing Cavern 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword L 2 Live Chronicles L 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 3 Live At Reading '86 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Forge of Vulcan 7" 1 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Iron Dream 7" 1 Repeat Performance 1 Rock On - with Hawkwind and Van Der Graaf Generator 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II L 2 Acid Daze Vol. II L 2 Castle Masters Collection L 2 The Hawkwind Collection L 2 Ironstrike L 2 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] L 2 Best of Hawkwind L 2 Space Is Deep L 3 Rock City 4 Quark Strangeness and Charm CD single L 4a The Business Trip * 4a is the single mix with added audience noise at the end Raping Robots in the Street 1 Social Alliance/ Raping Robots in the Street 7" Realms 1 Space Bandits The Reason Is? 1 Hawkwind Reefer Madness 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 California Brainstorm Reject Your Human Touch 1 Alien4 The Right Stuff L 1 Orgasmatron L 2 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 3 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] L 4 The Business Trip Right to Decide 1 Electric Teepee 1 Decide Your Future EP and CD single 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 2 Decide Your Future EP and CD single (Radio Edit Mix) L 3 Rock City L 4 The Business Trip * 2 is performed by Alien Prophets Rites of Netherworld 1 Electric Tepee Robot L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 1 a Friends And Relations I L 1 a Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Flicknife] L 1 a Victoria double album L 1 b Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Anagram] L 2 PXR5 L 3 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 4 Love In Space * 1a is an edit of 1 * 1b is a cut of 1a Rocky Paths 1 Sonic Attack 1 Angels of Death 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 2 Live Chronicles 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Running Through The Back Brain 1 Zones 1 Zones/Stonehenge CD Sadness Runs Deep 1 Electric Teepee Satellite SEE The Phenomenon of Luminosity The Scan 1 Choose Your Masques The Sea King 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword L 2 Live Chronicles Secret Agent 1 Electric Teepee L 2 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] Seeing It As You Really Are 1 Hawkwind L 2 In The Beginning L 2 The Text of Festival L 3 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol III LP L 3 Acid daze Vol III LP L 3 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol II CD L 3 a + Night Riding L 3 a + The Best and The Rest of Hawkwind L 3 a + The Hawkwind Collection LP L 3 b + The Hawkwind Anthology Castle Communications 3CD L 3 c + Roadhawks L 3 c + (The Best of) The Psychedelic Warlords L 3 c + Stasis L 3 c + Space Ritual Alive [remastered CD only] L 4 Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 {Jam} * The track is not listed on the tracklist for albums marked "+" but is the 2nd half of a segue with You Shouldn't Do That as the encore to Space Ritual Alive * 3 is the complete version plus a speech at the end * 3a is version 3 with no speech * 3b is version 3 but with a slightly cut end to the music * 3c is version 3 but with a cut at the beginning and an overlay of the Silver Machine intro at the end * Version 4, on Weird 106, is the end of a Roahhawks style "jam" based on this track. Self 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Seven by Seven 1 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1972] A1/B1 1 In Search of Space [remastered CD only] 1 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1972] A1/B2 1 b Silver Machine/7 by 7/Lord of Light/Born to Go German double 7" EP ? 1 ? Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1976] 1 b Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1978] A3/B3 1 b Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1978] 1 b Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1983] 1 b Stasis 1 b Lord of Light L 2 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 2 Space Rock from London L 2 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 3 Space Ritual Alive L 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1983] L 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [after 1983] L 4 Space Ritual II L 4 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 4 Ridicule L 4 a Live '70/'73 L 4 a Welcome To The Future L 5 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] L 6 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] * 1a is a remix of 1 - both released in 1972 * 1b is a remix of 1 * 2a is a remix of 2 * 3a is a cut version of 3 * 4a is a cut version of 4 Shade Gate 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword L 2 Live Chronicles L 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Ship Of Dreams 1 Space Bandits Shot Down in the Night L 1 Live '79 L 1 Ironstrike L 1 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] L 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 1 a Shot Down in the Night/ Urban Guerilla 7" L 1 a Night Riding L 1 a Silver Machine CD L 1 b Live - St.Albans 1979 2 This Is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic 3 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] 3 a Friends And Relations III {Psychedelia Lives} 3 a Best of Hawkwind Friends And Relations CD {Psychedelia Lives} 3 a Hawkwind Friends And Relations - The Rarities CD {Psychedelia Lives} 4 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 5 Orgasmatron * 1a is an edited version of 1 * 1b is a poorer mix of 1 * 3a is a cut from the middle of 3 Silver Machine L 1 Orgasmatron L 2 Glastonbury Fayre L 2 Assassins of Allah LP L 2 Dawn of Hawkwind CD 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1972] 3 X In Search Of Space [Spanish album only] 3 Doremifasolatido [Japanese album only] 3 US double 7" EP 3 Silver Machine/7 by 7/Lord of Light/Born to Go German double 7" EP 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1978] 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1978] 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1983] 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1983] 3 Silver Machine/ Urban Guerilla 7" [Dutch 1989] 3 Stasis 3 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 3 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 3 In Search of Space [remastered CD only] 3 a Roadhawks 3 a Silver Machine/ Urban Guerilla 7" [German 1975] ? 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1976] 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [after 1983] L 4 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 4 Space Rock from London L 4 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 5 BBC Transcription Disc - The Brian Matthews Show L 5? Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 6 Early Daze L 6 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 7 Live '79 L 7 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 8 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] L 9 Silver Machine/Magnu 7" L 9 Silver Machine/Magnu 7" motorbike shaped pic disk L 9 Silver Machine Live 12" EP L 9 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 9 Ironstrike L 9 British Tribal Music L 9 Castle Masters Collection L 9 Night Riding L 9 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 9 The Early Years Live EP L 9 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I CD L 9 Acid Daze Vol. III CD L 9 The Hawkwind Collection L 9 Best of Hawkwind CD L 9 Silver Machine CD 10 Choose Your Masques 10 Silver Machine 10th Anniversary 7" EP [long version] 10 a Silver Machine 10th Anniversary 7" EP [short version] L 11 Bristol Custom Bike Show L 11 Assassins of Allah LP L 11 Dawn of Hawkwind CD {Silver Machine/Paranoia} L 12 Live At Reading '86 L 13 Travellers Aid Trust {Washing [Silver] Machine} L 14 Nova Drive [bootleg CD] L 15 Love In Space * Version 2 was recorded at the Roundhouse in 1972 and not at Glastonbury. Version 3 was mixed from version 2 at Rockfield. * Version 3a was remixed from 3 for the Roadhawks album by overlapping the end of the Shouldn't Do That track from the Space Ritual encore with the start of the version 3 single. * Version 4a is a remix from version 4 * Version 7 stops with an explosion soon after the track begins * The 10th anniversary 7" EP contained both the version from the Choose Your Masques album, and a shorter edited version. This EP was also released as a pic disk with the covers from Warrior On The Edge of Time and Doremifasolatido * Two versions of Silver Machine on Assassins of Allah LP and three versions on Dawn of Hawkwind CD Slap it on de Table 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals 1 a Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield (a) The 1a version runs out halfway through Sleep of 1000 Tears 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword L 2 * The Chronicle of the Black Sword [Flicknife] CD L 2 Live Chronicles [2CD only] L 2 Independent Days, Vol. II L 2 Zarozinia 12" EP (*) Two versions of this song are on the Flicknife CD Snake Dance L 1 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 2 California Brainstorm {Eons} 3 Electric Teepee L 4 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 5 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] Social Alliance 1 Social Alliance/ Raping Robots in the Street 7" 1 Independent Days, Vol. I 1 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD 2 Zones 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD 2 Utopia 1984 2 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Anagram] Solitary Mind Games 1 Angels of Death 1 Choose Your Masques L 2 Out And Intake Some People Never Die SEE - Assassination Something's Going On 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Song Of The Swords 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword 1 Needle Gun 12" EP L 2 Live Chronicles L 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] Sonic Attack L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 1 a Space Ritual II L 1 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 1 b Live '70/'73 L 1 b Welcome To The Future L 1 c Sonic Attack promo 7" L 1 c Masters of the Universe [Compilation] L 2 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 2 a Early Daze L 3 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 5 The Hawklords Live L 6 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] 7 Sonic Attack 8 Zones 8 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 9 Undisclosed Files L 10 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] * 1a is the same as 1 but with a different intro 1b is 1a with the end cut short 1c is 1 but faded at the end 2a is the same as 2 but with part of the intro cut Sound..Shouldn't..Improvise... SEE: You Shouldn't Do That Space SEE: Electronic #1 SEE: Space Is Deep Space Chase 1 Levitation 1 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 1 Silver Machine CD L 2 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 2 Utopia 1984 L 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD Space Dust 1 Electric Teepee Space Is Deep 1 Doremi Fasol Latido 1 Roadhawks 1 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Space Ritual Alive L 2 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 L 2 British Tribal Music L 2 Stasis L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD L 2 Acid Daze Vol. III L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III L 2 The Hawkwind Collection L 2 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 2 Best of Hawkwind L 2 Space Is Deep 3 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams {Space} Space is their (Palestine) 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous L 2 Rock City L 3 Love In Space {Assassins} Space Sex 1 Alien4 [vinyl only] Space Travellers 1 Weird 107 - Dave Brock Speed of Light SEE: Transdimensional Man Spiral Galaxy 28948 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time Spirit Of The Age L 1 Orgasmatron {Starfarer's Despatch} 2 Quark Strangeness And Charm 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 2 Repeat Performance 2 Tales From Atom Henge 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 3 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 3 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD L 3 Friends And Relations II LP (Twice Upon A Time) L 3a Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 4 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 L 5 The Hawklords Live L 6 Live '79 L 6 The Hawkwind Collection L 6 Ironstrike L 6 Castle Masters Collection L 6 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 6 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 6 The Early Years Live EP L 6 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 6 Acid Daze Vol. I L 6 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 6 Best of Hawkwind L 6 Space Is Deep L 7 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 8 Spirit of the Age (Solstice Remixes) L 9 Nova Drive [bootleg CD] (a) 3a from the same tour as 3 (b) 6 the sound quality on this recording varies considerably * 8 four mixes performed by Astralasia Spirits 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 Earthed to the Ground Sputnik Stan L 1 Rock City 2 Area S4 EP [vinyl only] 2 Alien4 L 3 Nova Drive [bootleg CD] L 4 Love In Space Standing at the Edge 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time Star Cannibal 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] Starfarer's Despatch SEE: Spirit of the Age Starflight 1 Out And Intake 1 Night Of The Hawk L 2 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Steppenwolf 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 1 Repeat Performance 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 L 3 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 4 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 Stonehenge Decoded L 1 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic Streets of Fear 1 Weird 107 - Dave Brock 1 a Sonic Attack (a) 1a based on Brock Demo version 1 Sweet Mistress of Pain 1 Hawkwind Zoo 12" EP 1 Victoria double album 1 Independent Days, Vol. II {Kiss Of The Velvet Whip} 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 1 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Anagram] 1 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD {Kiss of the Velvet Whip} 1 Hawkwind [remastered CD only] {Kiss of the Velvet Whip} Sweet Obsession 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 Earthed to the Ground Sword Of The East 1 The Xenon Codex 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Techno Tropic Zone Exists 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous Ten Seconds Of Forever L 1 Ridicule L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 1 Space Ritual II L 2 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] Terra Mystica 1 The Business Trip [Vinyl only] 1 Nova Drive [bootleg CD] This Future SEE - Welcome To the Future Tibet is not China (I) 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous L 2 Rock City Tibet is not China (II) 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous Tides 1 The Xenon Codex Time and Space 1 White Zone Time We Left 1 Doremi Fasol Latido {Time We Left This World Today} L 2 Space Ritual Alive {Time We Left This World Today} L 3 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 3 Space Ritual II L 4 Palace Springs L 5 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] L 6 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 7 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] Time of 1 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords 1 a Who's Gonna Win the War?/ Time of 7" 1 a Hawkwind, Friends & Relations: Cosmic Travellers (a) 1a is a cut version of 1 Touchdown 1 Weird 107 - Dave Brock Trans Dimensional Man 1 Weird 107 {Speed of Light} 1 a Angels of Death/ Trans Dimensional Man 7" (a) 1a is based on Brock Demo 1 Treadmill L 1 Damnation Alley [bootleg CD] L 2 Palace Springs L 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] (*) Lyrics are taken from "A Day" Turner Point L 1 Out And Intake TV Suicide 1 Space Bandits L 2 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords L 2 a California Brainstorm (a) 2 and 2a are from the same tour U.F.O. Line 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Uncle Sam's On Mars L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals L 2 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 3 PXR5 3 Repeat Performance 4 Quark Strangeness and Charm CD single (Red Planet Radio Mix) 5 Quark Strangeness and Charm CD single (Martian Conquest Mix) Upside Down L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 a Space Ritual II L 1 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] * Versions 1 and 1a are from the same tour Urban Guerilla L 1 Live '70/'73 L 1 Welcome To The Future L 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin 2 Urban Guerilla/Brainbox Pollution 7" 2 Urban Guerilla/Urban Guerilla US 7" 2 Silver Machine/ Urban Guerilla 7" 2 Roadhawks 2 Stasis 2 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 2 Doremi Fasol Latido [remastered CD only] L 3 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 L 4 British Tribal Music L 4 Ironstrike L 4 Castle Masters Collection L 4 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 4 The Early Years Live EP L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol 1 L 4 Acid Daze Vol 1 L 4 The Hawkwind Collection L 4 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 4 Silver Machine {Spectrum compilation} L 4 Space Is Deep L 4 a Shot Down In The Night / Urban Guerilla 7" L 4 b Live - St Albans 1979 L 5 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] * 4a is an edited version of 4 (cut at the end) 4b is a poorer mix of 4 Utopia 1 Choose Your Masques Utopia '84 L 1 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 2 Zones 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD 2 Utopia 1984 Valium Ten 1 Motorhead / Valium 10 12" single 1 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD 1 Friends And Relations I 1 a Motorhead/ Valium Ten 7" 1 a Night of the Hawk 1 Victoria double album 1 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 (a) 1a is an edited version of 1 Vega 1 Alien4 L 2 Love In Space Virgin Of The World {see also: Experiment with Destiny} L 1 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] 2 Sonic Attack 2 Angels of Death * lyrics printed in Church of Hawkwind book but not used on that album. Part lyrics only used in Sonic Attack version. Voice Inside My Head SEE: Brainstorm Void City 1 Choose Your Masques Void of Golden Light SEE The Golden Void Void's End SEE The Golden Void Wage War 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin 1 a Live '70/'73 1 a Welcome To The Future (a) 1a is a cut version of 1 Waiting For Tomorrow 1 Angels of Death 1 Choose Your Masques L 2 * The Golden Void 3 * Out And Intake * versions 2 and 3 are from the same tour The War SEE Who's Gonna Win the War? The War I Survived 1 The Xenon Codex 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Chronicle of The Black Sword (Dojo and Griffin CD only) Warrior on the Edge of Time L 1 Out And Intake CD Warriors 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time Wastelands SEE: Wastelands of Sleep Wastelands Of Sleep 1 The Xenon Codex 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 2 The Agents of Chaos LP 2 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD L 3 Nova Drive [bootleg CD] L 4 * The Business Trip {Wastelands} 5 Area S4 EP {Wastelands} 5 Alien4 L 6 Love In Space {Wastelands} * 3 is instrumental only, substantially reworked. The Watcher 1 Doremi Fasol Latido Watchfield Festival SEE: You Shouldn't Do That SEE: Brainstorm Watching The Grass Grow L 1 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 1 Independent Days, Vol. II L 1 Utopia 1984 L 1 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD L 2 Undisclosed Files Wave upon Wave 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous L 2 The Business Trip {Altair} We Do It L 1 In The Beginning {I do It} L 1 The Text Of Festival {I do It} L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III L 1 a British Tribal Music L 1 a Acid Daze Vol. III L 1 a Friends And Relations II (Twice Upon A Time) L 1 a Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 L 1 a Hawkwind, Friends & Relations: Cosmic Travellers L 1 b The Hawkwind Collection LP (a) 1a and 1b are cut versions of 1. Cosmic Travellers version remastered in 1995 We Took The Wrong Step Years Ago 1 X In Search Of Space Web Weaver 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill Welcome To The Future L 1 Glastonbury Fayre L 1 Assassins of Allah LP L 1 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 2 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 2 Space Rock From London L 2 a BBC Radio - Live in Concert CD L 3 Space Ritual Alive L 3 a Ridicule L 3 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 3 ab Space Ritual II L 4 Bring Me The Head of Yuri Gagarin L 4 Live '70/'73 L 4 Welcome To The Future L 5 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/Hawklords {The Future} L 6 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] L 7 The Business Trip {This Future} L 8 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] L 8 Love In Space {Welcome} (a) 2a is remixed from 2 (b) 3a is from the same tour as 3 When the Going Gets Tough 1 Friends And Relations III Where are they Now? 1 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 The White Zone 1 White Zone 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams 1 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples Who's Gonna Win The War? L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 1 a Friends And Relations I L 1 a Victoria double album L 1 a Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD L 1 b Night Of The Hawk L 1 b Independent Days, Vol. I L 1 b Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD L 1 c Who's Gonna Win the War?/ Time of 7" L 2 Live - St.Albans 1979 3 Levitation 3 Ironstrike 3 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] 3 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 3 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 3 Silver Machine CD 3 a Who's Gonna Win the War?/ Nuclear Toy 7" L 4 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 4 The Hawkwind Collection L 4 Castle Masters Collection {The War} L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 4 Acid Daze Vol. I L 4 Space Is Deep L 4 * Best of Hawkwind (*) 1a, 1b, and 1c are edits & remixes of 1 3a is an edit of 3 4* the end has been slightly cut short Wind Of Change 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill 1 Roadhawks 1 Psychedelic Warlords/Hall of the Mountain Grill/D-Rider/Wind of Change US EP 1 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 1 US Forces Radio album featuring Hawkwind & Jefferson Starship 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 [Second release of tape only] L 3 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 4 Damnation Alley [bootleg CD] Window Pane 1 White Zone Wings 1 Space Bandits 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Winter of Discontent 1 Weird 107 - Dave Brock 1 a Earthed to The Ground {Now is the Winter of Our Discontent} 1 a Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD Wired Up For Sound SEE: Earthed to the Ground The Wizard Blew His Horn 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time Wizards Of Pan Tang SEE: Brainstorm Words of a Song 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 The Agents of Chaos * The lyrics for this song also used in Back in The Box World Of Tiers L 1 Live - St.Albans 1979 2 Levitation 2 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 3 British Tribal Music L 3 Castle Masters Collection L 3 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 3 Acid Daze Vol. I L 3 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I CD Xenomorph 1 Alien4 L 2 Love In Space L 2 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples You Know You're Only Dreaming 1 X In Search Of Space 1 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 {Dreaming} L 2 In The Beginning L 2 The Text Of Festival L 2 Early Daze L 2 a Live '70/'73 L 2 a Welcome To The Future L 3 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 4 The Business Trip {The Dream Has Ended} L 5 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] * 2a is a cut version of 2 You Shouldn't Do That 1 X In Search Of Space 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 L 2 a In The Beginning L 2 a The Text Of Festival L 3 * The Text of Festival LP {Sound Shouldn't Improvise} L 3 * The Text of Festival CD {Improvise, Comprise, Reprise} L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD L 4 Acid Daze Vol. III L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP L 4 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 4 Night Riding L 4 The Hawkwind Collection LP L 4 Space Is Deep L 4 a Roadhawks L 4 a Stasis L 4 a (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 4 a Silver Machine CD L 4 a Space Ritual Alive [remastered CD only] L 4 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 5 * The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II {Watchfield Festival} L 5 * Acid Daze Vol. II {Watchfield Festival} L 6 Rock City L 7 The Business Trip {Do That} L 8 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] * Two versions of this on Text Of Festival The CD track is misnamed for another track on the album. * 2a is a cut of 2 * On 4-4b You Shouldn't Do That formed the 1st half of a segue with Seeing It As You Really Are as the encore to Space Ritual Alive * 4 is the complete version plus intro * 4a is version 4 with a cut intro * 4b is version 4 with no intro * The Watchfield festival track is a jam based on You Shouldn't Do That You'd Better Believe It L 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill L 1 a Paradox/ You'd Better Believe It 7" L 1 a Stasis L 1 a Lord of Light L 1 a Hall of the Mountain Grill [remastered CD only] (a) 1a is edited from 1 Versions 1 and 1a both feature on the remastered Hall of the Mountain Grill Zarozinia 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword 1 Zarozinia 12" EP 1 Zarozinia/ Assault and Battery 7" 1 Night Of The Hawk L 2 Live Chronicles L 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Zones 1 Zones/ Processed 7" 2 Zones 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD 2 Utopia 1984 From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 06:42:06 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:42:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Le Monsieur Damon wrote: > OK... how does a Chevy Impala become airborne? The first paragraph > implies that the truck was on the road below the crash site. Now, unless > a Chevy Impala has wings, it shouldn't be able to rise above the road, no > matter how fast (up to escape velocity, at any rate). Presumably a rocket of this power could go any damn place it pleases? If these things are supposed to give oomph to a fighter plane, then I would guess the weight of a motor car to be totally insignificant. Any minor factor, such as the direction of thrust, or the car hitting a bump in the road, would be enough to make the car "take-off". Also, I don't know what shape a Chevy Impala is, but motor cars generally have a tendency towards upward thrust, because the underside is flat whereas the top side isn't -- thus air passing over the vehicle is slowed relative to air passing under the vehicle. On ordinary vehicles this is totally insignificant given the weight of the car, but grand prix motor vehicles have aerofoils, "upside down" wings that create a downward thrust to give the car extra traction on the road surface. Dave From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 12:03:59 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:03:59 BST Subject: HW boring ?... In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:10:16 BST Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > Space Opera - surely! (although I've suddenly had this terrible vision > of Hawkwind abruptly appearing on the flight deck of StarShip Enterprise > in full stage performing gear - ah no! I take it you missed the Choose Your Masques tour in 1982? FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 12:12:52 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:12:52 BST Subject: OFF: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward's message of Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:10:24 +1100 Message-ID: Paul G Ward writes: > Hi people, > > This is just too interesting. > > Sonique > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > You all know about the Darwin Awards - It's an annual honor given to > the person who did the gene pool the biggest service by killing > themselves in the most extraordinarily stupid way. Last year's winner > was the fellow who was killed by a Coke machine which toppled over on > top of him as he was attempting to tip a free soda out of it. And > this year's nominee is: Paul, I really think it's time for you to check out alt.peeves - I'm crossposting the article there because Geoff would never forgive me if he found out I didn't. P.S: I've started a collection of AutoDarwinisation incidents. I'll also accept miracle escapes where it's clear that Father Darwin was asleep at his post. If anyone comes across these in newspapers or whatever I'd be grateful for the article and attributions. Cheers FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 12:24:30 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:24:30 BST Subject: OFF: Re: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards In-Reply-To: Le Monsieur Damon's message of Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:39:30 -0500 Message-ID: Le Monsieur Damon writes: > On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Paul G Ward wrote: > > The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering metal > > embedded into the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of > > a curve. The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it > > was a car. The type of car was unidentifiable at the scene. The lab > > finally figured out what it was and what had happened. > > [ ... ] > > ... the automobile remained on the straight highway for about 2.5 miles > > (15-20) seconds before the driver applied and completely melted the > > brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick rubber marks on the road > > surface, then becoming airborne for an additional 1.4 miles and > > impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 feet leaving a blackened > > crater 3 feet deep in the rock. > > OK... how does a Chevy Impala become airborne? The first paragraph > implies that the truck was on the road below the crash site. Now, unless > a Chevy Impala has wings, it shouldn't be able to rise above the road, no > matter how fast (up to escape velocity, at any rate). Horses don't have wings either, but I suspect that if you attached a JATO unit and lit it you;d have instant Pegasus. > Damon Capehart Mike "This ain't rocket science" Holmes From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 09:06:17 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:06:17 +0000 Subject: HW: New pictures Message-ID: Ladies and Gentlemen ! I have dug up some photos taken by myself during Hawkwinds tours of 1982 and 1984 and put them on line. Please come and view them ! I have tested the page with a number of viewers, it should work ok BUT For best enjoyment try it with a Javatised browser (Netscape 2 or higher, latest HotJava or Oracles PowerBrowser) with a sound card, and view in a darkened room. Hope you enjoy Andy C Page is at http://alpha.mic.dundee.ac.uk/~acobley/sonix.cgi -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 13:20:58 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:20:58 BST Subject: HW boring ?... In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:03:59 BST Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > J Strobridge writes: > > > Space Opera - surely! (although I've suddenly had this terrible vision > > of Hawkwind abruptly appearing on the flight deck of StarShip Enterprise > > in full stage performing gear - ah no! > > I take it you missed the Choose Your Masques tour in 1982? > Yep! 'fraid so. Details please? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jun 13 08:22:23 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:22:23 -0400 Subject: OFF: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards Message-ID: >P.S: I've started a collection of AutoDarwinisation incidents. I'll also >accept miracle escapes where it's clear that Father Darwin was asleep at >his post. If anyone comes across these in newspapers or whatever I'd be >grateful for the article and attributions. I'd never heard of Darwin awards before, but I recall a story from a marine biologist at a Smithsonian research center in Panama, in which a scientist was trying to prove a certain species of sea slug (I think) was poisonous, despite the fact that it could be handled with ease. He reasoned that the poison was weak and could not penetrate ordinary human skin. He further reasoned that it should be able to poison a human on the tongue, where the skin is much thinner. To prove this, he placed one on his tongue and was promptly proved correct; he survived (barely), recovering in a hospital about a week later. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Jun 13 07:34:52 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:34:52 -0400 Subject: OFF: Duran Duran In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jun 12, 96 09:25:17 pm Message-ID: Paul says-- > [[Duran Duran advocacy deleted.]] > > Well, I guess any band that boasts FZ alumnus Warren Cucurullo amongst > its ranks can't be all bad... :-) You're getting predictable Paul! I knew that, if I didn't mention that nice bit of FZ related trivia, you would. :-) IMHO, any band that bashes Christianity can't be all bad. (DID I SAY THAT? :-) ). Guido (a product of Jesuit education) -- The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The Name that can be named is not the eternal Name. From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Jun 13 08:47:08 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:47:08 +0200 Subject: Birth of Space Rock Message-ID: Chris Bates wrote: > > Alex wrote: > > So you'll be familiar with Pink Floyd, Can, Gong, Van Der Graf >Generator etc who all use(d) repetition and drones to create an >atmosphere? > Listen to early Floyd and you'll clearly see that they are coming from > the same place as HW. Trippy droney stuff that either recreates or > enhances the drug experience. Hmmm that's also what house music tries > to do isn't it :-) This kind of stuff is totally different to the > intellectual exercises of the prog mega-bands (Genesis, Yes, ELP), it's > much more visceral. The Birth of Space Rock: 1967: >From the acid-freak out jams of the Summer of Love the droning sound of Space Rock was born............. Pink Floyd's "Interstellar Overdrive" & "Astronomy Dominy", Rolling Stones' "2000 Light Years From Home", Kaleidoscope's "Beacon from Mars", and, possibly, riff-wise, Cream's "Tales of Brave Ulysees". Perhaps Sun Ra's Arkestra predated them all with his Space Jazz..... I believe Hawkwind owe much of their influence to these particular tracks. Symfo-prog like ELP, Yes or Rush (which I personally detest) have very little in common with space rock like early Floyd, Hawkwind, Can or Amon Duul..... or other oddball jazzy/spacey-prog like Gong, Soft Machine or Van Der Graaf Generator for that matter. Christian From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 13 08:57:24 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:57:24 -0400 Subject: HW: does C&W In-Reply-To: <9606131147.aa27734@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, M Holmes wrote: > > 2) Hawkwind have probably covered just about every style in the known > > universe at one time or the other. :-) > > I'm still waiting with baited breath for a Country & Western cover :-) How about "Came Home" on the Weird Tapes/Anthology series? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sky Cries Mary, _This Timeless Turning_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 09:05:56 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:05:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Le Monsieur Damon wrote: > OK... how does a Chevy Impala become airborne? The first paragraph > implies that the truck was on the road below the crash site. Now, unless > a Chevy Impala has wings, it shouldn't be able to rise above the road, no > matter how fast (up to escape velocity, at any rate). JATOs exhaust at a _downwards_ angle... JAZZA ______________________________________________________________________________ YOU HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY THE ALICE'S RESTAURANT ANTI-MASSACRE MOVEMENT "...and we were fined fifty dollars and had to pick up th' garbage in th'snow... but that i'n't what I came to tell you about..." From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 14:12:10 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:12:10 BST Subject: HW boring ?... In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:20:58 BST Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > M Holmes writes: > > > J Strobridge writes: > > > > > Space Opera - surely! (although I've suddenly had this terrible vision > > > of Hawkwind abruptly appearing on the flight deck of StarShip Enterprise > > > in full stage performing gear - ah no! > > > > I take it you missed the Choose Your Masques tour in 1982? > > > > Yep! 'fraid so. Details please? There's a video of this somewhere but basically they had 16 TV screens behind the band in a 4x4 array. Sometimes they showed the same picture on each (space piccies, Stonehenge etc) and sometimes a composite across the 16 screens. The rest of the set was done up like the bridge of a starship with 4 supplementary screens at various positions. IMHO this was very effective and I remember this as one of the best of the 60 or so gigs I've seen. > jill FoFP From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jun 13 09:17:34 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:17:34 -0400 Subject: Birth of Space Rock Message-ID: Christian says >Perhaps Sun Ra's Arkestra predated them all with his Space Jazz..... Which brings me once again to the MC5, and the track "Starship" (credited to MC5/Sun Ra) on 1968's _Kick Out the Jams_. (Though I admit it's easier to spot the MC5 influence on Hawkwind after Lemmy joins :) I'm sure the West Coast scene - Airplane, Joplin - fits into this story too, somewhere... - Andy ObCD: Emmylou Harris - _Wrecking Ball_ From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 14:20:46 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:20:46 BST Subject: OFF: The Darwin files In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:22:23 -0400 Message-ID: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.peeves Subject: Paging Mr. Chuck Darwin Date: 12 Mar 1996 18:36:51 -0600 I am astonished-- nay, I am _boggled_! It seems our patron Darwin may indeed be asleep at the celestial switchboard, because this afternoon, I saw what will probably go down in my books as the dumbest fucking thing of 1996(*) go completely unpunished. A number of us humble students decided, over lunch, to run some collective errands and finish up with lunch at a relatively cheap all-you-can-eat buffet. In the process of running hither and yon, we found ourselves on a highway right near the Industrial Spur. It's called the Industrial Spur because it's an area that sees a whole shitload of heavy, industrial-type traffic. We see several cars slow down ahead of us. For a moment, the cause is unknown, until we approach closer. Then, we see the difficulty-- some incredible fuckmunch was deliberately taking his car from the opposite side of the highway over the median and into what was for him a lane of oncoming traffic. Horns ensued from other drivers. Our driver was largely too stunned to join in the chorus, as his jaw was sitting in his lap at such a vision of sheer stupidity. He passed us, and then we saw where he was going-- he was heading, through oncoming traffic on a major highway, to an off-ramp. The astute, if they are familiar with the generalized Illinois highway set-up, will probably already have realized the flaw with this plan. We in the car had already spotted this one, and had in fact pulled over onto the shoulder of the highway, making eager comments to the effect of, "Oh, this is gonna be _good_!" The problem, of course, is that what seemed an off-ramp to this inbred refugee from a British dingleberry plantation was in fact an on-ramp for those of us cognizant enough to drive on the proper side of the road. Further, as already noted, this area had a good amount of industrial-type traffic, like trailers and double trailers loaded with Heavy Things. And to top it off, geography had blessed this particular on-ramp with something of a blind-curve quality. We were eagerly awaiting the frantic bleat of semi horn as it saw said puss-lapper coming at him in the wrong lane, all but cheering what we hoped was the inevitable. But alas, no, 'twere not to be. No chance to skip my afternoon duties at the police station giving witness, "Yes, officer, honest to God, this moron just..." No chance to see a moron removed brutally from the gene pool. No nothin'. He hopped another median, and went on with his driving. Darwin, Darwin, why hast thou forsaken us?! * Dumbest thing I personally witnessed, anyway. Politics remains not only dumber than I imagine, but dumber than I _can_ imagine. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.peeves Subject: Darwin outsmarted by a cheesehead Was: DIY Darwin Date: 23 Jan 1996 19:44:55 GMT Recent posts about auto-Darwinisms have reminded me of "the one that got away" so to speak. Seems a Packers fan was returning home after a game in his small GA aircraft and had a problem of sufficient import to cause it to reset to lawn dart mode. Faced with the impending tussle with Terra firma, said cheesehead tried to protect himself with whatever was at hand, namely a cheesehead. Now for those blessed enough to be unacquainted with Wisconsin culture, a cheesehead is a hat-size piece of yellow foam cut in the shape of a wedge of cheese, worn apparently with some sense of misguided pride. Go figger. Anyway our hero valiantly dons his cheesehead in the face of great peril... And survives. Saved, say officials at the scene, by the cheesehead. Justice is indeed an illusion. GT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.peeves From: pls9235 at osfmail.isc.rit.edu (STEPPIC) Date: 13 Nov 1995 18:51:19 GMT * In September, Mr. Robert Kevin Brown, 31, passed away after his truck plunged into a ravine alongside I-95 in Price William County, Va. According to Virginia State Police, Brown had been dissatisfied that traffic, at 55 mph, was moving too slowly for his taste and so leaned out his window to make a gesture to another driver, which caused him to lose control of his vehicle. [Washington Post, 9-21-95] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.peeves From: mkl at victoria.pe.net (Michael Lerch) Date: 13 Nov 1995 13:46:01 -0800 Connecticut MAN WOUNDS HIMSELF WHILE SHOWING OFF GUN An 18-year-old man accidentally shot himself in the genitals when he tried to show his girlfriend the sawed-off shotgun in his pants. Kevin hall was treated at a hospital for a cut and powder burns. Bridgeport police then arrested him on several charges, including possession of a sawed-off shotgun. Police were called to the scene Friday after someone reported a shooting on a street corner. When they arrived, they found Hall lying on the ground clutching his groin. His pants, which had a large hole, were still smoking. Hall told police he was the victim of a drive-by shooting. But his girlfriend said Hall was showing her the gun he had in his pants when the weapon went off. Hall also was arrested on suspicion of reckless endangerment and illegal discharge of a firearm. From news services ********** This is how it appeared in this morning's paper--so good it doesn't require editing or comment. Well, one: I guess he was really glad to see her. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.peeves Subject: Natural Selection again demonstrated Date: 22 Jan 1996 19:32:41 GMT Just heard a news report from Chicago. It seems a man from the south side was playing a game of Russian Roulette with a .38 revolver. Well, he lost, and the police were called in to remove his dead body. When they examined the gun, they found five live rounds and one spent casing. The Tribune said that police calculated from this that his odds of losing were 100%. Guess somebody forgot to sufficiently clarify the rules for him. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.peeves Subject: Nice try Darwin Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:35:26 -0800 Organization: Grumpy is good And lo, it has been raining once again in southern California. And it came to pass that the rain did fall on the mountains, and did run down the mountains, and did collect in the creeks. And the rain did fall on the streets, and collect in the gutters, and fall into the sewers. And the sewers and creeks did merge, and they did become a river. And lo, whilst the water was collecting and merging, someone did go to the LA River with his truck, and did commence to shovel gravel into the truck bed. And lo, the river did become a mighty torrent, and the man was washed out to sea. And lo, the rescue people did save him. But there's a nice picture on the morning news of his truck being washed down the river. - heck (Quote from the fellow, "Well, I get gravel like this all the time without any problems...") -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 14:24:31 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:24:31 BST Subject: OFF: The Liberty Bell rings out once more Message-ID: Pace the previous discussion about the Communications Decency Act. Apparently it lost 3-0 in a Philadelphia Court to a sundy bunch of libertarians and fellow travellers. Well fuck me if I'm not as happy as a fly on shit about that :-) FoFP From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 13 10:29:33 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:29:33 EST Subject: Jesus Saves [but who collects the interest?] Message-ID: Guido sez: > IMHO, any band that bashes Christianity can't be all bad. (DID I SAY > THAT? :-) ). > > Guido (a product of Jesuit education) Amen to that, brother! Can I get a witness? Seriously, I can't imagine why this stuff bothers Christians so much anyway. If their faith is so weak that it can be shaken by some irreverence, then maybe they're barking up the wrong tree anyway. Christ's teachings were revolutionary in their time--hell, he was killed for questioning the rules of the established religions of his time... theo [another Catholic school alum] From 106046.3450 at COMPUSERVE.COM Wed Jun 12 21:54:28 1996 From: 106046.3450 at COMPUSERVE.COM (raymond bliss) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:54:28 -0400 Subject: re.HW boring ?... Message-ID: Alex try there vidio HAWKWIND LIVE Legennds {castle communications plc release . CMP 6005} allso try record HAWKWIND Space Bandits . listen to the tracks BLACK ELK SPEAKS, and SHIP OF DREMS then tell me they all sound the same. i saw them live at Portsmouth England oct 95 they where beter than ever. Ray (Hawkthief) From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Jun 13 09:50:32 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:50:32 +0200 Subject: Birth of Space Rock Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > > Christian says > > >Perhaps Sun Ra's Arkestra predated them all with his Space Jazz..... > > Which brings me once again to the MC5, and the track "Starship" (credited to > MC5/Sun Ra) on 1968's _Kick Out the Jams_. (Though I admit it's easier to > spot the MC5 influence on Hawkwind after Lemmy joins :) And, of course (how could I forget), Hendrix, particularly "Third Stone >From The Sun". Christian From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jun 13 10:00:45 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:00:45 -0400 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-13 06:49:22 EDT, you write: >I'm still waiting with baited breath for a Country & Western cover :-) I always thought that MMs New Worlds Fair had a distinct C&W flavor to it. Kinda like waylon Jennings on X. Or maybe its just me on X. regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jun 13 10:02:33 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:02:33 -0400 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-13 06:55:33 EDT, you write: >This is exactly why we sepnt two years doing the Codex - check it out: > > I guess this knocks the BIG grin offa DS's mug. regards, Bill Stewart From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 10:05:50 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:05:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: Duran Duran In-Reply-To: <199606122358.BAA05437@lorien.imaginet.fr> Message-ID: Alex, you're not the only one, don't worry. Hell, isn't Planet Earth spacerock of sorts? `Save a Prayer' is not the song to judge DD by. And `Hungry like the Wolf' is good and macabre. Much to approve in DD, say I. I must get some more, I hardly know anything not air-played. JAZZA ______________________________________________________________________________ YOU HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY THE ALICE'S RESTAURANT ANTI-MASSACRE MOVEMENT "...and we were fined fifty dollars and had to pick up th' garbage in th'snow... but that i'n't what I came to tell you about..." From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jun 13 10:16:27 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:16:27 -0400 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-13 09:14:38 EDT, you write: >There's a video of this somewhere but basically they had 16 TV screens >behind the band in a 4x4 array. Sometimes they showed the same picture >on each (space piccies, Stonehenge etc) and sometimes a composite across >the 16 screens. The rest of the set was done up like the bridge of a >starship with 4 supplementary screens at various positions. IMHO this >was very effective and I remember this as one of the best of the 60 or >so gigs I've seen. > > Yep that one is a dandy and I got the Video. regards, Bill Stewart From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Jun 13 10:45:00 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:45:00 +0200 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: Chris Bates wrote : >Listen to early Floyd and you'll clearly see that they are coming from >the same place as HW. Trippy droney stuff that either recreates or >enhances the drug experience. Hmmm that's also what house music tries >to do isn't it :-) This kind of stuff is totally different to the >intellectual exercises of the prog mega-bands (Genesis, Yes, ELP), it's >much more visceral. I have "The piper at the Gates of Dawn" and "A saucerful of secrets" and I'm pretty sure that they *do* "either recreate or enhance the drug experience" (but is that an argument, anyway ?), but I never thought of these two albums as bland. In fact, I rather like them - though I must admit I don't listen to them as much as later material from the band. >Untold albums over the last 26 years with a vast range of styles. Bland? >Maybe. My Mum thinks they're rubbish too, but then at least she can >explain her reasons, and I'm sure she'd never claim that gentle synth >pieces sound like balls-out rockers. *all sound alike*. Arse. Hey, calm down, I never said HW was a bad band or that it was rubbish or whatever. I only said that I heard just a few songs (and only bits of them, I'll remind you) and I also said that I *want to like them* I realize that what I've heard is not enough to place a judgement, and that's why I've been asking for advice of albums I should listen to. Please read my first post again if you think I was saying that HW is a bad band. As for my saying those songs sounded all alike, please remember that was my *first impression* and after hearing only parts of a few songs. I'm not saying that they actually ARE all alike, merely that they SEEMED all alike. There's quite a difference there. >> like prog bands (like Kansas, King Crimson, Marillion, Dream Theater, Styx) >> and all kinds of other stuff : Pink Floyd (I don't really call them prog, >> though I know some people do, but as you say : it is a nebulously defined >> area in itself !), Supertramp, U2, The Police, Duran Duran (yes, you read >> well !), Talk Talk, Toto... and tons of other bands, some more obscure as > >Oh, THAT kind of prog-rock. Not symphonic rock, not krautrock, not >Canterbury, no, bland middle-of-the-road radio fair. Why didn't you >say so earlier? Now I understand why you don't like HW. Well, I also like symphonic prog-rock, like Yes or Genesis, for instance. And as I've said above, I never said anywhere that I didn't like HW. I'm not familiar enough with the band to be able to take a position. Give me a break, will ya ? And as for your comment, I wouldn't call those bands "bland middle-of-the-road radio fair". I think you are being a bit harsh there, but that's probably due to your (uncalled-for) edginess. >Let's take King Crimson as a starting point; do you like their early >noisy albums *In the Court...*, *Larks Tongues...* etc or the later >(blander?) jazz-rock stuff such as *Red*? If it's the avant-guard >things then you might be able to get into HW - try the first album. >Otherwise it's probably too different to what you're used to. I wouldn't >advise spending money on things you're gonna hate. Try borrowing a few >albums, or get a compilation - somebody on boc-l can surely recommend a >nice diverse one. Well, King Crimson... It's not my favorite prog band (that would have to be Kansas). I actually only own a compilation album from them (called "The Compact King Crimson"), and my favorite songs on it are "The court of the Crimson King", "Talk to the wind", "Epitaph", "Matte Kudasai" and such... Well, the more symphonic tunes, I guess. I also like "21st Century schizoid man" and "Three of a perfect pair" (those two are fine examples of what prog-rock all means to me !) a lot. OTOH, I don't like "Thela Hun Ginjeet", "Elephant Talk" and "Discipline" (which I've found a bit too repepetitive for my taste). Oh, and I once listened to another KC album, borrowed from a friend of mine, and I really loved it. Especially side B (it was on vinyl). I'll definitely buy that one one day. I don't remember its title, but I'll recognize the cover when I see it. Oh, I do remember Jon Anderson sung on some of the tracks... And you also say "too different to what you're used to". Well, first off, as I've said, I listen to all kinds of stuff, I think I'm eclectic enough (I also listen to The Damned, Xymox, Alan Parsons Project, Faith No More or Steely Dan, for instance, which all are very different bands) and, second, I like hearing new things, so I'm not afraid of stuff which is "too different to what (I'm) used to" (whatever that's supposed to mean)... I'm always willing to try anything new (by "new" I mean new to me, of course). >As I suggested before try Levitation, but that's a >hard rock album so don't play it too loud. Seriously though, why bother? >Tastes vary, if you don't like something, you don't like it. C'est la vie. Why bother, you ask ? Because I like discovering new stuff and that I don't think I've heard enough of HW to say I don't like it. And the band has always intrigued me, so I want to look further into their music. So I'll definitely try one of their albums in the near future. And I'll let you know what comes out of it. Alex S. 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Henderson continues to dazzle me : >Well, this doesn't really matter to anyone else I suppose, but I don't give a >rat's patooie about lyrics...I only ever notice them at all when they just >happen to be too bizarre *not* to notice....you know, like Amon Duul II's >'Green bubbles came out of the crystal thing....' Huh???? I also enjoy those kind of lyrics, but really, I'm amazed... Well, it is really all up to you, but I'm a bit sorry for you. I mean, lyrics are a huge part of what makes music (and especially those bands which we both like) so good and interesting. Too bad you won't get into it. >Otherwise, they might as well be singing in a made-up language - see Vander, C. >To me, vocals are just an additional instrument to the mix....an important one >I should add. I agree about that : vocals *are* an additional instrument to the mix, but they're not *just* that. If you listen to them, they sometimes give an additional dimension to the song. It's like videos. They're not a full part of a song, only a means to advertise it, and yet... some otherwise rather "bland" songs ;-) will suddenly become very interesting. Because you start associating images to the music, pictures which will come back to your mind when you hear the song. In the same way, some songs which I didn't like all that much I suddenly started liking when I started listening to the lyrics. The rule also works reversed. I'm a songwriter myself, and I don't always like all the stuff I write. But sometimes, my guitarist friend who writes the music manages to pull off something really great for those lyrics I don't like much and they start sounding really great to me. Call that the "magic of rock" if you will... *smile* >> "My Antarctica" > >There's an oxymoron for you..... Hmm ? What do you mean ? I'm not familiar with that word, "oxymoron"... Alex S. Garcia. P.S. Am I just hallucinating or did Keith completely avoid talking about DD ? *laughs* Oh well... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jun 13 11:05:10 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:05:10 -0400 Subject: Jesus Saves [but who collects the interest?] Message-ID: It's relevant to quote Patti Smith here (from the interview in Addicted to Noise, http://www.addict.com/ATN/): ---begin quote--- So I guess I had already gone through quite a shift by then. I actually developed a much different take on Jesus actually through Pasolini because I read this interview with Pasolini when he was doing the movie The Gospel According to Saint Matthew. And he saw Jesus as a very revolutionary man. A man that came upon the scene, the true outsider, the true rock & roll nigger, the true person outside society who drew to himself the lepers and the whores and the thieves and helped them reclaim their position in heaven or just their dignity as human beings. So I started finding him a lot more interesting. ---end quote--- - Andy From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Jun 13 11:03:08 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:03:08 +0200 Subject: Jesus Saves =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D5but?= who collects the interest? =?iso-8859-1?Q?=FE?= Message-ID: >I can't >imagine why this stuff bothers Christians so much anyway. If their >faith is so weak that it can be shaken by some irreverence, then >maybe they're barking up the wrong tree anyway. You don't get it. It's not a matter of faith being weak, but of respect. You should respect other people's religious beliefs and songs which "bash" on Christianity are not *respectful* and that's what bothers Christians. Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Jun 13 11:09:32 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:09:32 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards Message-ID: This sounds like an urban legend to me. Its amazing how stories can be passed on and people believe them to be true. For example, someone told me the story of how a guy in scuba gear was found in the middle of a forest in the Pacific North-West lying dead with every bone in his body broken. It seems that there had been a forest fire and helicopters had gone with giant scoops to pick up sea water to drop on it. The unfortunate diver was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Now someone in a bar in North Carolina told me this story and I believed it. Then I was talking to someone who was over from England visiting and someone had told him exactly the same story. Except that it had happened in France. He had believed it toa. Then it dawned on us both that this was probably an urban legend. Any basis in fact? Opinions anyone? Totally off-topic ramblings over Martyn From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Jun 13 11:13:07 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:13:07 +0200 Subject: OFF: Duran Duran Message-ID: > Alex, > you're not the only one, don't worry. Hell, isn't Planet >Earth spacerock of sorts? `Save a Prayer' is not the song to judge DD by. >And `Hungry like the Wolf' is good and macabre. Much to approve in DD, >say I. I must get some more, I hardly know anything not air-played. > JAZZA *sigh of relief* Thanks Jon, I was starting to worry a bit here ;-) Well, if you liked "Planet Earth" and "Hungry like the wolf", you should start by their 3 first albums (in whatever order, doesn't really matter since they all belong to the same "era"), then move on slowly and chronologically up to their new stuff. There is a certain progression which is easier to follow if you listen to the albums in the order they were released. BIG THING is definitely not the album you should start with, though. It has some really good stuff on it (like "The Edge of America"), but side A is horrible ! Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Jun 13 07:31:44 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:31:44 +0000 Subject: HW: New pictures Message-ID: Andy Cobley wrote: > > Ladies and Gentlemen ! > > I have dug up some photos taken by myself during Hawkwinds tours > of 1982 and 1984 and put them on line. Please come and view them ! > > I have tested the page with a number of viewers, it should work ok > > BUT > > For best enjoyment try it with a Javatised browser > (Netscape 2 or higher, latest HotJava or Oracles PowerBrowser) > with a sound card, and view in a darkened room. > > Hope you enjoy > > Andy C > > Page is at > http://alpha.mic.dundee.ac.uk/~acobley/sonix.cgi > > -- > Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers > To join javap-uk send the command: > Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname > mailbase at mailbase.ac.ukandy- this is maybe the coolest page i've seen to date! nice job. rj From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 11:34:05 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:34:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: <199606130517.PAA21651@burwood.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: > > It seems that a guy had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit (Jet > Assisted Take Off - actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used to give > heavy military transport planes an extra "push" for taking off from > short airfields. He had driven his Chevy Impala out into the desert > and found a long, straight stretch of road. Then he attached the JATO > unit to his car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off the JATO! For some reason, I'm reminded of one of my favourite films, "The Big Bus", about the world's first atomic-powered bus. One of the guys hired to drive - I mean pilot - it, has the unfortunate tendency to faint at the wheel. He's nicknamed "Shoulders", not because of his broad shoulders, but because of his other unfortunate tendency -- to drive on the shoulder of the road..... :) Anyone else see that film? Dave "Watch out!!! He's got a broken milk carton!!" From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jun 13 11:45:14 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:45:14 -0400 Subject: BOC: Boston in June/July Message-ID: Pete writes: >I'm going to be in the Boston area (Waltham actually) from June 25 to July 10. Does anybody know of any BOC/Surgeons concerts nearby (50 miles or so) during that time? Get here a few days earlier, my friend -- the Brain Surgeons will be playing at Mamakin in Boston on June 22nd (a Saturday). I hear that the show is FREE, the setting will be intimate, the sound system is great, and the band . . . well, they've delivered the goods everytime I've seen 'em, and I'm sure this day will be no exception (I suspect we might hear some tunes from the upcoming release, as I believe they've done a few live). John From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 16:45:30 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:45:30 BST Subject: OFF: The Liberty Bell rings out once more In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:24:31 BST Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > Pace the previous discussion about the Communications Decency Act. > Apparently it lost 3-0 in a Philadelphia Court to a sundy bunch of > libertarians and fellow travellers. > Ah - but I think it's going to an appeal court 8-( Watch this space.... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Jun 13 11:50:33 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:50:33 -0400 Subject: OFF: was Duran Duran In-Reply-To: <199606131445.QAA18461@lorien.imaginet.fr> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jun 13, 96 04:45:06 pm Message-ID: Alex responds with.... > > Keith A. Henderson continues to dazzle me : > > >Well, this doesn't really matter to anyone else I suppose, but I don't give > >a rat's patooie about lyrics...I only ever notice them at all when they just > >happen to be too bizarre *not* to notice....you know, like Amon Duul II's > >'Green bubbles came out of the crystal thing....' Huh???? > > I also enjoy those kind of lyrics, but really, I'm amazed... Well, it is > really all up to you, but I'm a bit sorry for you. I mean, lyrics are a huge > part of what makes music (and especially those bands which we both like) so > good and interesting. Too bad you won't get into it. > I suppose it's just that I really don't see why I would want to really care about the feelings/inspirations/political leanings-whatever, of people I've never met. I mean what's really sad is that there are people out there who really *did* believe that Kurt Cobain was someone who should be thought of as a spokesman for their generation of lost souls. I don't really care for Nirvana (their music was about as inventive as dirt, and their sound was invented in Minneapolis (or the UK) from my perspective, not Seattle), but I *do* like Jane's Addiction, one of the very few 'alternative' groups that actually created something new. But whatever it was that Perry Farrell was trying to say isn't anything I want to even try to understand. He's pretty frightening I'm sure. So what happens if you hate/disagree with the lyrics?? Does that make a musical composition less enjoyable?? Not for me. > >> "My Antarctica" > > > >There's an oxymoron for you..... > > Hmm ? What do you mean ? I'm not familiar with that word, "oxymoron"... Simply speaking, it means 'Contradiction in terms'.....all I'm trying to say, is that Antarctica isn't "owned" by anyone, so it can't be "mine". > P.S. Am I just hallucinating or did Keith completely avoid talking about DD > ? *laughs* Oh well... Yeah, I didn't want to sound *too* negative.... :) Keith H. (FAA) From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 12:54:08 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:54:08 +0000 Subject: HW: New pictures Message-ID: SKARSOL wrote: >andy- this is maybe the coolest page i've seen to date! nice job. > rj Thanks (blush), Did you have the sound turned on and play with the sound effects ? Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Thu Jun 13 12:23:23 1996 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:23:23 -0400 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: Chris Bates wrote: > Chris Baxley wrote: >> I think you're operating under too narrow a definition of "punk". To me it >> describes any form of expression which, figuratively speaking, seeks >> to shove an extended middle finger in the face of mainstream society. >Nah, you're talking about *rebellion* which is part of being a teenager. No, rebellion is part of being a concious human. Punk is an attitude, not a fashion statement or a temporary adolescent phase . Chris From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jun 13 12:48:02 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:48:02 -0400 Subject: HW: New pictures Message-ID: VERY VERY NICE:-))) Regards, Bill Stewart From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Jun 13 12:56:56 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:56:56 +0200 Subject: OFF: Lyrics (was Duran Duran) Message-ID: Keith A. Henderson explains : >> lyrics are a huge >> part of what makes music (and especially those bands which we both like) so >> good and interesting. Too bad you won't get into it. > >I suppose it's just that I really don't see why I would want to really care >about the feelings/inspirations/political leanings-whatever, of people I've >never met. Hmm... Do you ever read any novels ? I mean, it's the same. Lyrics don't just convey messages, but often tell *stories* as well. Look at BOC's lyrics, they most of the time tell stories. I'm listening to "Monsters" right now, for instance, which has some of the finest lyrics BOC has written, IMO, with a really funny story - not to mention "Imaginos", which is ENTIRELY based on the lyrics. If you don't listen to them, then you'll never understand what the whole fuss is about. >So what happens if you hate/disagree with the lyrics?? Does that make a >musical composition less enjoyable?? Not for me. I don't think so. It doesn't really matter. You can listen and enjoy songs if you don't like the lyrics. You just won't pay too much attention to them on those songs and just concentrate on the music if you like the music. But if you listen to the lyrics and you like them, then that will definitely make you enjoy the song more. >> >> "My Antarctica" >> > >> >There's an oxymoron for you..... >> >> Hmm ? What do you mean ? I'm not familiar with that word, "oxymoron"... > >Simply speaking, it means 'Contradiction in terms'.....all I'm trying to say, >is that Antarctica isn't "owned" by anyone, so it can't be "mine". Oh, okay. Well, if you listen to the lyrics :-) you'll find out that they don't really mean the "real" Antarctica. It's just a figure of speech. They imply a place difficult to reach, secret, deserted, etc... See, that's also why lyrics are important : they help you understand things which you might otherwise misunderstand. Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 13 13:00:17 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:00:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: The Liberty Bell rings out once more In-Reply-To: <9606131645.aa11780@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, J Strobridge wrote: > M Holmes writes: > > > Pace the previous discussion about the Communications Decency Act. > > Apparently it lost 3-0 in a Philadelphia Court to a sundy bunch of > > libertarians and fellow travellers. Um... you forgot to mention the industry types. They're more anxious than anybody to get this off the books, for very obvious reasons. (But we can pretend it was really the Libertarians, right?) > Ah - but I think it's going to an appeal court 8-( Yes, that's right. The next (and highest) level of appeal is the US Supreme Court. However, the wording of the recent judgement was so strong, it is almost certainly to be upheld at the Supreme Court level. Not that it really affects folks in Edinburgh, anyway. > Watch this space.... Um.. I'd much rather watch a much more appropriate space---like the "Blue Ribbon Campaign WWW page---but I'm sure some "kind soul" will no doubt keep BOC-L apprised with a blow-by-blow account and obligatory editorial commentary.... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sky Cries Mary, _This Timeless Turning_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 13 14:01:09 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:01:09 EST Subject: OFF: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards [via LSMTP - Message-ID: > > > > It seems that a guy had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit (Jet > > Assisted Take Off - actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used to give > > heavy military transport planes an extra "push" for taking off from > > short airfields. He had driven his Chevy Impala out into the desert > > and found a long, straight stretch of road. Then he attached the JATO > > unit to his car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off the JATO! > > For some reason, I'm reminded of one of my favourite films, "The Big > Bus", about the world's first atomic-powered bus. One of the guys hired > to drive - I mean pilot - it, has the unfortunate tendency to faint at > the wheel. He's nicknamed "Shoulders", not because of his broad > shoulders, but because of his other unfortunate tendency -- to drive on > the shoulder of the road..... :) > > Anyone else see that film? > > Dave > > "Watch out!!! He's got a broken milk carton!!" Yeah! Great flick. Totally toasts all the Airplane and Naked Gun flicks. theo From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 13 13:07:34 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:07:34 -0400 Subject: Jesus Saves =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D5but?= who collects the interest? =?iso-8859-1?Q?=FE?= In-Reply-To: <199606131503.RAA18912@lorien.imaginet.fr> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > You don't get it. It's not a matter of faith being weak, but of respect. You > should respect other people's religious beliefs and songs which "bash" on > Christianity are not *respectful* and that's what bothers Christians. I hear the Southern Baptists have been dishing out a whole lot of respect to (ironically enough) the Walt Disney Corp. lately... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Jimi Hendrix Experience, _Radio One_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "There's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over." --- Frank Zappa, "Heavenly Bank Account", _You Are What You Is_ From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 13 14:03:38 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:03:38 EST Subject: Jesus Saves or does he? Message-ID: > >I can't > >imagine why this stuff bothers Christians so much anyway. If their > >faith is so weak that it can be shaken by some irreverence, then > >maybe they're barking up the wrong tree anyway. > > You don't get it. It's not a matter of faith being weak, but of respect. You > should respect other people's religious beliefs and songs which "bash" on > Christianity are not *respectful* and that's what bothers Christians. > > > > Alex S. Garcia. > Considering that all religions are based on superstition, and presume things that can't be proven, why do we humans take them so damned seriously? theo From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Jun 13 14:08:23 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:08:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Kyuss Message-ID: On 12-JUN-1996 07:26:43.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >I only have Kyuss' first album (which I like >> > > alot)... would anybody recommend their other(s)? >> > >> > *Rush* out and buy "Welcome to Sky Valley" if you liked "Blues for >the Re d >> > Sun". >Oh.. I have "Welcome to Sky Valley".. I thought that was the first one. >I know there's one called "As the Circus Leaves town...". I picked up >Welcome... because it sounded so Monster Magnetesque (my all time >second-favorite band!!). Could anybody provide a Kyuss discography? >Or are there only the thre albums mentioned? >Christian >PS! I'm looking for the "Dopes to Infinity" CD single by MM. Anybody got >an extra one or know where I can get one? Pretty sure I saw this recently (along w/another single from the Dopes album). E-mail me yer address and I'll pick it up next time I'm there (it's a 30-minute drive) if it's still there. Chuck `[1;32;43mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Jun 13 13:25:57 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:25:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Hardman DK wrote: > Presumably a rocket of this power could go any damn place it pleases? If > these things are supposed to give oomph to a fighter plane, then I would > guess the weight of a motor car to be totally insignificant. Yes, I would assume the truck would become airborne if it did so while the rocket was firing, but the investigators found that the truck became airborne about 2 miles after the rocket had fired, in other words while the truck was insignificantly decelerating. Seems weird to me. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Thu Jun 13 13:28:10 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:28:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards In-Reply-To: <9606131509.AA23851@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Jun 13, 96 11:09:32 am Message-ID: > > This sounds like an urban legend to me. Its amazing how > stories can be passed on and people believe them to be true. .... > Any basis in fact? Opinions anyone? Though I must acknowledge that urban legends are plentiful, I actually read about that JATO story a few years ago in an air force / aeronautical journal of some sort that an AF friend of mine had... Though one can certainly not always believe everything one reads, the whole thing had an air of truth and authority to it, and the stupidity of people (particularly the fool in question) never seems to surprise me. -bryan From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Jun 13 13:29:48 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:29:48 +0200 Subject: OFF: Jesus Saves or does he? Message-ID: Theo says : >Considering that all religions are based on superstition, and presume >things that can't be proven, why do we humans take them so damned >seriously? >theo > Maybe because it's not just superstition. Maybe because some of "we humans" have actually experienced things which others have a hard time believing in. Why would you respect other people's tastes in music, movies, colors, games, etc, and yet not their beliefs ? Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 13 18:41:09 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:41:09 BST Subject: OFF: Darwin lives Message-ID: I'm sure I remember a long post here (fairly recently) from Deb ?? (sorry, don't know your name!) of the BOC/Brain Surgeons link of bizarre and somewhat unfortunate demises. I thought I'd saved a copy but can't find it. Does anyone else remember this - I hope I don't misrepresent her! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Thu Jun 13 13:43:11 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:43:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards In-Reply-To: Martyn White "Re: OFF: Re: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards" (Jun 13, 11:09am) Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > This sounds like an urban legend to me. Its amazing how > stories can be passed on and people believe them to be true. > For example, someone told me the story of how a guy in scuba gear > was found in the middle of a forest in the Pacific North-West > lying dead with every bone in his body broken. It seems that > there had been a forest fire and helicopters had gone with giant > scoops to pick up sea water to drop on it. The unfortunate diver > was in the wrong place at the wrong time. > Now someone in a bar in North Carolina told me this story > and I believed it. Then I was talking to someone who was over > from England visiting and someone had told him exactly the same > story. Except that it had happened in France. He had believed it > toa. Then it dawned on us both that this was probably an urban legend. > Any basis in fact? Opinions anyone? > > Totally off-topic ramblings over See the URL http://www.urbanlegends.com/death/scuba_forest_fire.html for a discussion about this very topic. In general, the site http://www.urbanlegends.com/ is pretty good. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. -- Albert Einstein From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Jun 13 13:56:18 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:56:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Jesus Saves, but who collects the interest? In-Reply-To: <199606131503.RAA18912@lorien.imaginet.fr> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > >I can't imagine why this stuff bothers Christians so much anyway. If > >their faith is so weak that it can be shaken by some irreverence, then > >maybe they're barking up the wrong tree anyway. > You don't get it. It's not a matter of faith being weak, but of > respect. You should respect other people's religious beliefs and songs > which "bash" on Christianity are not *respectful* and that's what > bothers Christians. Exactly. My faith feels no weakening when I hear such things, just a lack of respect. Many non-Christians don't necessarily understand that, much in the same way that I don't empathize well with - say - people on the disadvantaged end of racial prejudice. Yes, there's a problem out there, but it's not an important issue to me because I don't "feel their pain". Same thing here. Christian-bashing is similar to racial bashing is similar to Islam-bashing is similar to *any* kind of bashing because it shows a lack of respect. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jun 13 13:58:51 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:58:51 -0400 Subject: Jesus Saves or does he? Message-ID: >Considering that all religions are based on superstition, and presume things that can't be proven, why do we humans take them so damned seriously? What you call "superstition", I call "faith" -- and I don't appreciate you or anyone mocking it. We are all entitled to believe what we want, and IMHO we don't need to scorn those who don't subscribe to our own ways of thinking. Finally, this thread is quite off from BOC/Hawkwind, and therefore really doesn't belong on this list -- even the OFF topics should have some relevance (the idea of having an OFF filter was not so that anyone of us could start up threads on whatever we wanted to talk about). John From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Jun 13 14:07:50 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:07:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: Darwin.... In-Reply-To: from "Le Monsieur Damon" at Jun 13, 96 12:25:57 pm Message-ID: Damon said... > > On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Hardman DK wrote: > > Presumably a rocket of this power could go any damn place it pleases? If > > these things are supposed to give oomph to a fighter plane, then I would > > guess the weight of a motor car to be totally insignificant. > > Yes, I would assume the truck would become airborne if it did so while > the rocket was firing, but the investigators found that the truck became > airborne about 2 miles after the rocket had fired, in other words while > the truck was insignificantly decelerating. Seems weird to me. Yeah, but maybe the braking had something to do with it. There wouldn't seem to be any reason for this from a 'physics' standpoint, but maybe something to do with the air currents, or the burning rubber/fumes under the car. Hard to predict what these effects might have been, but I can imagine it happening this way, seeing as it was going 350 mph already! Having experienced a JATO-takeoff myself (it was on a slightly larger vehicle than an Impala, I should say; namely, a C-130 Herc), I can only imagine what a rush this might have been. Almost worth it perhaps... :) Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Porcupine Tree - On the Sunday of Life From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 13 14:15:24 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:15:24 +0100 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: > >This punk idea is touted a lot on boc-l, I think it sucks large >quantities of dead penguin dick. But then I always thought that >punk was either made by brainless no-talents (Discharge anyone?) >or was marketing hype. Yeah, and lots of people think Hawkwind are love n peace hippies. They're completely wrong, and are just showing that they don't really know much of what they are talking about. Maybe you've just not heard enough *good* punk!! Hey, I never thought I'd be discussing punk on the Hawkwind list...I'm getting more and more (pleasantly) surprised the longer I'm here! Dave From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Jun 13 14:18:28 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:18:28 -0500 Subject: Jesus Saves or does he? In-Reply-To: <2A5C3276F67@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > Considering that all religions are based on superstition, and presume > things that can't be proven, why do we humans take them so damned > seriously? Because, as Alex said earlier, some people have experienced things which demonstrate that religion is not simply a matter of superstition. I, for one, have seen a few things (no, not fake "healings" on some televangelism show, but in my life) which say to me that there is plenty of merit to religious belief. These things that I've seen, which you may or may not care to hear, aren't such spectacles as plagues and sticks turning into snakes and people rising from the dead and all that, but more along the lines of the changes I've seen in people that simply would not have happened their own. I'd give specific examples, but it would take up quite a bit of space here. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers P.S.: Thanks for the support, Alex G. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 13 14:22:40 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:22:40 -0400 Subject: OFF: Jesus Saves or does he? In-Reply-To: <199606131758.NAA20905@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > Finally, this thread is quite off from BOC/Hawkwind, and therefore really > doesn't belong on this list -- even the OFF topics should have some > relevance (the idea of having an OFF filter was not so that anyone of us > could start up threads on whatever we wanted to talk about). I agree. Arguing about religion and politics isn't even on the subject of music, let alone BOC or Hawkwind. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Jethro Tull, _Aqualung_ PPS: In the news section of the BOC article issue of Goldmine there was mention of a special 25th anniversary edition of _Aqualung_, kompleat with bonus tracks (and everything remastered and all). Has anyone sighted this beastie? e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Jun 13 13:21:01 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:21:01 -0400 Subject: OFF:Jesus Saves In-Reply-To: <199606131503.RAA18912@lorien.imaginet.fr> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jun 13, 96 05:03:08 pm Message-ID: Alex says-- > >I can't > >imagine why this stuff bothers Christians so much anyway. If their > >faith is so weak that it can be shaken by some irreverence, then > >maybe they're barking up the wrong tree anyway. > > You don't get it. It's not a matter of faith being weak, but of respect. You > should respect other people's religious beliefs and songs which "bash" on > Christianity are not *respectful* and that's what bothers Christians. I don't think Christians are generally TOLERANT, never mind respectful, of the beliefs of others. They're far more interested in imposing their beliefs on others. As for bashing Christianity, in the U.S. we still have a Constitutionally protected right to free speech (despite the best efforts of fanatical Christians who "know" what's best for us). If you think a song (or book, or movie, or whatever) is offensive, don't listen to it, read it, or watch it. Show a little respect for those who DON'T think Christianity is the best thing since buttered toast. Guido -- The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The Name that can be named is not the eternal Name. From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jun 13 14:16:02 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:16:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: Jesus Saves (but Gretzky scores on the rebound) Message-ID: >Theo says : > >>Considering that all religions are based on superstition, and presume >>things that can't be proven, why do we humans take them so damned >>seriously? >>theo >> > >Maybe because it's not just superstition. Maybe because some of "we humans" Um, I know there's probably no harm intended, and I do enjoy religious debates, but I feel this is dangerous water for a mailing list not dedicated to such things to tread... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Jun 13 14:24:44 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:24:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Jesus Saves or does he? In-Reply-To: <199606131729.TAA29933@lorien.imaginet.fr> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > Maybe because it's not just superstition. Maybe because some of "we > humans" have actually experienced things which others have a hard time > believing in. Why would you respect other people's tastes in music, > movies, colors, games, etc, and yet not their beliefs ? And, yes, this goes for everyone, not just non-Christians. When I see/hear a fellow Christian with a lack of respect for anyone else, I get the same sick feeling in my stomach. And now that we are *completely* off-topic, I'll save the rest for someplace other than BOC-L. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Jun 13 15:31:20 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:31:20 -0500 Subject: 32 tracks Message-ID: On 12-JUN-1996 10:30:03.7 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> > Some Enchanted Evening >> >> I tried this album, but I could never get past "R U Ready 2 Rock". >> What a dreadful song! >> >> I guess I'll stick to Hawkwind. >I wouldn't judge the merits of BOC on one song (although I like RU Ready >2 Rock) -- should I judge Hawkwind by listening to one song? >John Certainly, John - how about "Good Morning" or "Mutation Zone", for starters? :) `[1;35;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Jun 13 15:31:34 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:31:34 -0500 Subject: DR. Music Song key? Message-ID: On 12-JUN-1996 11:17:38.7 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Guido Vacano wrote: >> >> Dave says-- >> >> > > Actually, many rock songs are in other songs, >> > >> > A typo I presume, but true nonetheless.... :) >> > >> > BTW, did anyone read the letters page in Goldmine? Maybe this is >common > > knowledge, but the intro to "Stairway to Heaven" was >allegedly lifted fro m >> > a Randy California piece called Taurus on the first Spirit album. >> > Apparently, the liner notes to a recent Spirit anthology say that >RC neve r >> > begrudged Jimmy Page his success with StH, though ironically someone >> > called Little Roger faced legal action, presumably from Led Zep, >for his > > use of the StH melody. >> >> Reminds me of my favorite example of "lifting". The main theme of >"Sweet > Child in Time" by Deep Purple is exactly the same as a song >on It's a > Beautiful Day (can't remember the name of the song--but >it's the album > that has "White Bird" on it). Not sure who lifted >from whom. > >> Another example involves Renaissance and Yngwie Malmsteen, though both >> borrowed from a classical piece. >> >Then of course its the Doors lifting "Hello I Love You" from The Kinks' >"All of The Day and All of The Night"....and Ray Davies won the lawsuit. >Christian Speaking of lifting: Is anyone subjected to corporate rock "alterative" radio (or maybe some people even like band) ? Every day at work I hear this song, the verses have an acoustic guitar riff much like "Down Through The Night" w/a girl singing over it (the pre-chorus says something like "I'm hungry, I'm dirty..."). Anyway, it's probably just a coincidence, but I always wonder... Chuck `[1;31;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Jun 13 15:31:43 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:31:43 -0500 Subject: Led Wallet plagiarism? Message-ID: On 12-JUN-1996 11:19:56.5 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> >> BTW, did anyone read the letters page in Goldmine? Maybe this is >common > knowledge, but the intro to "Stairway to Heaven" was >allegedly lifted from > a Randy California piece called Taurus on the >first Spirit album. > Apparently, the liner notes to a recent Spirit >anthology say that RC never > begrudged Jimmy Page his success with >StH, though ironically someone > called Little Roger faced legal >action, presumably from Led Zep, for his > use of the StH melody. >> >> Dave >Doesn't surprise me at all. Both Led Wallet and Billy Gibbons of ZZ >Top (one of my faves, no less) are guilty of ripping off other >people's material. ZZ Top was involved in a big lawsuit over the >song La Grange. Don't know how it turned out. And I always thought (kinda on topic) that Motorhead lifted "No Class" from ZZ's "Tush". Chuck `[1;37;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 13 15:35:41 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:35:41 EST Subject: Jesus Saves or does he? Message-ID: Damon et al dumping on my pokes at religion: > > On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > > Considering that all religions are based on superstition, and presume > > things that can't be proven, why do we humans take them so damned > > seriously? > Because, as Alex said earlier, some people have experienced things which > demonstrate that religion is not simply a matter of superstition. > > I, for one, have seen a few things (no, not fake "healings" on some > televangelism show, but in my life) which say to me that there is plenty > of merit to religious belief. These things that I've seen, which you may > or may not care to hear, aren't such spectacles as plagues and sticks > turning into snakes and people rising from the dead and all that, but > more along the lines of the changes I've seen in people that simply would > not have happened their own. I'd give specific examples, but it would > take up quite a bit of space here. > > Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the > aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore > dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers > Dudes, Get a life already. I apologize for any pain I caused you. Please call off the candlelight vigil. It cracks me up how you all laugh your asses off about some dumb fuck [but a living, breathing human, no less] who blew himself to smithereens in a car, yet jump all over my shit with righteous indignation because I made a couple of irreverent remarks about something spiritual, i.e. something not even of this earth. BTW, I'm a regular churchgoer myself. I mean every week. How often do any of you dudes go to any place of worship on a regular basis? Oh, I know, you don't have to, 'cause you can pray at home, huh? All I'm saying is that religion is something spiritual, something you either believe in or don't, and it doesn't matter a whit if someone laughs about it, 'cause it's not of this earth. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 13 15:37:10 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:37:10 EST Subject: OFF:Jesus Saves Message-ID: > > Alex says-- > > > >I can't > > >imagine why this stuff bothers Christians so much anyway. If their > > >faith is so weak that it can be shaken by some irreverence, then > > >maybe they're barking up the wrong tree anyway. > > > > You don't get it. It's not a matter of faith being weak, but of respect. You > > should respect other people's religious beliefs and songs which "bash" on > > Christianity are not *respectful* and that's what bothers Christians. > > I don't think Christians are generally TOLERANT, never mind respectful, of > the beliefs of others. They're far more interested in imposing their > beliefs on others. As for bashing Christianity, in the U.S. we still > have a Constitutionally protected right to free speech (despite the > best efforts of fanatical Christians who "know" what's best for us). If > you think a song (or book, or movie, or whatever) is offensive, don't > listen to it, read it, or watch it. Show a little respect for those who > DON'T think Christianity is the best thing since buttered toast. > > Guido > Finally, a voice of reason. Couldn't have said it better myself. theo From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Jun 13 14:43:48 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:43:48 -0500 Subject: OFF:Jesus Saves In-Reply-To: <9606131721.AA16364@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Guido Vacano wrote: > If you think a song (or book, or movie, or whatever) is offensive, > don't listen to it, read it, or watch it. Show a little respect for > those who DON'T think Christianity is the best thing since buttered > toast. 1) I am not a masochist; therefore I do not listen to / read / watch offensive things (of any nature, not just religious) unless I have to (e.g. for a class). 2) I think I have shown plenty of respect for non-Christians. If you think I have done otherwise on this thread, please show me why (private e-mail, since this is *so* off-topic). Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Jun 13 15:13:17 1996 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:13:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards Message-ID: >From: Martyn White >For example, someone told me the story of how a guy in scuba gear >was found in the middle of a forest in the Pacific North-West >lying dead with every bone in his body broken. It seems that >there had been a forest fire and helicopters had gone with giant >scoops to pick up sea water to drop on it. The unfortunate diver >was in the wrong place at the wrong time. That story appeared on another list I'm on and was dutifully discredited. I did not save the evidence cited, but I do remember the evidence as seeming conclusive that the story was another urban myth. While I'm here, my compliments to all involved in the Hawkwind covers tape project. I received the tapes yesterday and am looking forward to having some time to listen to them. Alas, that won't be until next week as I'm playing three gigs this weekend. Saturday and Sunday at 1PM I'll be playing a live soundtrack to Buster Keaton's _The General_ and then Sunday at 4:45PM, my rock band will be playing at a charity fundraiser. Well, we're scheduled for 4:45. The promoters have scheduled seventeen bands in seven hours. That allows each band a twenty minute set with five minutes between sets. Somehow I don't think that schedule will hold. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jun 13 15:11:17 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:11:17 -0400 Subject: Future Visions (something to change the topic) Message-ID: Which has been sorely needed. so, with that in mind... Predictions for Blue ?yster Cult and Hawkwind by the year 2000: Dave Brock fires someone from the current line-up of Hawkwind. Nik Turner tours the U.S. as "Not Hawkwind". Doug Smith threatens "not to sue"... BOC opens for Brain Surgeons somewhere in the northeast. CBS decides to experiment with releasing re-mastered BOC albums. They use Club Ninja to test the waters. Hawkwind releases another album, but it contains so many spelling errors fans aren't sure what the actual name is. Sandy Pearlman finds a visual basic programmer to do the Imaginos CD-ROM project. After five years and over half a million pounds of funding, R.O.D.S. unveils Sonique's Sonic Attack Robot and releases it at a Hawkwind concert with orders to kill a "tall, bearded guy wearing glasses". After trashing several similarly be- spectacled concert-goers, Doug gets away by ditching his glasses, and sues R.O.D.S. for using the words "Sonic Attack" without permission. While BOC is playing in Las Cruces, New Mexico, drummer Jon O'Reilly (sp?) spontaneously combusts. Without time to get another drummer, they call Albert to see if he would cover the remaining week of their southwest tour before they can get somebody else, on the condition that he not have a mike and wears a godzilla mask throughout the show. Albert finds a volunteer tosses the mask on him and flies him out to meet the band. Since his voice is muffled by the mask, and he never takes it off they never realise until too late it's not albert... it's actually Doug "Snowman" Mitchell!! Fox plans to do a Dr. Who movie and wants Hawkwind to redo the theme music, and appear as themselves on a spaceship in a short sequence. but Doug Smith puts the project on hold while they try to entertain offers from other movie companies. While waiting, the studio hires Danny Elfman instead. BOC releases their SVP album, entitled "Label of unkown origin", which becomes a huge hit in sweden, where they plan to spend the entire summer (now with Bolle on drums)... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Jun 13 15:27:43 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:27:43 +0200 Subject: Jesus Saves or does he? Message-ID: >P.S.: Thanks for the support, Alex G. > Well, I have my faith too, Damon :-) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Jun 13 15:27:39 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:27:39 +0200 Subject: OFF:Jesus Saves Message-ID: Guido says : >I don't think Christians are generally TOLERANT, never mind respectful, of >the beliefs of others. They're far more interested in imposing their >beliefs on others. Uh... hello ? is somebody in there ? Come on, seriously, have you never felt so thrilled by something that you wanted everyone to know about it ? Wouldn't you like everybody to listen to BOC or HW ? Have you never talked with tons of passion about your favorite bands or hobbies to some of your friends who couldn't care less ? This is what is driving Christians. Add to that the belief in the proximity of the End of the World and the will to try and save as many as possible, and maybe you'll understand why *most* Christians seem to be trying to "impose"... in truth, "real" Christians don't try to impose anything. They'll talk to you about their beliefs a lot, to a point where it might seem like they are trying to impose something, but in truth they are only trying to explain things, not to oblige you in any way. Religion must be a choice you make in your life. No one has ever found faith FORCED by anyone. It must come to you in your heart, it must be genuine, and if someone forces it into you, then it cannot be genuine. So please don't be so quick to judge. As for Christians not being tolerant... Well, in truth it depends. As you must know there are many different "paths" in religion (Catholics, Baptists, Witnesses of Jehovah, you name it), and it really depends who you are talking to. Some of these "paths" are, you are right, not very tolerant. But usually, a "true" Christian should be tolerant because that's what the Bible is all about : respect. >As for bashing Christianity, in the U.S. we still >have a Constitutionally protected right to free speech (despite the >best efforts of fanatical Christians who "know" what's best for us). If >you think a song (or book, or movie, or whatever) is offensive, don't >listen to it, read it, or watch it. Show a little respect for those who >DON'T think Christianity is the best thing since buttered toast. Free speech, sure. I think free speech is a great thing, but it's not a reason to abuse it. There's a huge difference between giving your opinion and "bashing". The first is a personal view, which everyone should respect, the second is unrespectful junk. Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 13 15:38:02 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:38:02 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Jesus Saves, but who collects the interest? (erm, maybe those that re-wrote the bible to suit their needs?) Message-ID: >On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Alex S. Garcia wrote: >> >I can't imagine why this stuff bothers Christians so much anyway. If >> >their faith is so weak that it can be shaken by some irreverence, then >> >maybe they're barking up the wrong tree anyway. >> You don't get it. It's not a matter of faith being weak, but of >> respect. You should respect other people's religious beliefs and songs >> which "bash" on Christianity are not *respectful* and that's what >> bothers Christians. >Exactly. My faith feels no weakening when I hear such things, just a >lack of respect. Many non-Christians don't necessarily understand that, >much in the same way that I don't empathize well with - say - people >on the disadvantaged end of racial prejudice. Yes, there's a problem out >there, but it's not an important issue to me because I don't "feel their >pain". Same thing here. Christian-bashing is similar to racial bashing >is similar to Islam-bashing is similar to *any* kind of bashing because >it shows a lack of respect. > Ha, Christians wanting respect! What, like the kinda "respect" that Christianity has shown to others throughout history (and right up to the present day)? The kinda "respect" that says "be a Christian or die". Maybe if Christians thought for themselves I'd have some respect for them. As it is, they are a group of people that have caused so much suffering on this planet that it's difficult not to *hate* them. Then again, Christianity puts enough hatred into this world without me adding more. And what a fine Christian you are if you don't care about those on the receiving end of racial hatred (that is what you said above isn't it?). Do you only pay attention to the bits of the Bible that suit you? Not that it matters what the Bible says...it's been re-written numerous times anyway. Oh well, suppose I'll burn in hell now (and probably with Duran Duran playing endlessly in the background as I roast!). Peace and love brothers and sisters, Dave P.S. Hawkwind, Hawkwind Hawkwind. Okay, not *completely* off topic! And yes, I do think this thread should be killed, (though of course only after *I've* thrown in my opinions!!). From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Jun 13 16:04:36 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:04:36 +0200 Subject: OFF: Jesus Saves (final word ?) Message-ID: Dave said : > Ha, Christians wanting respect! What, like the kinda "respect" that >Christianity has shown to others throughout history (and right up to the >present day)? The kinda "respect" that says "be a Christian or die". THAT is ancient history. You don't hear that kind of talk nowadays, do you ? Well, there still are some extremist religious groups, but hey, there are extremists everywhere ! And one other thing : no matter what, Christians are humans and, like all humans, they are bound to make mistakes. Some can get blinded by their faith and that can lead to extremities (like the Inquisition, among other things). Throughout history, a lot of non-Christian also ended up showing off as Christians and that also explains a lot of those acts. And there are many other reasons also, but we'd have to get deeper into the differences between different kind of religious faiths, and that would be even more off-topic. So let us just leave it at that and call it quits. Though we can keep talking about this via private e-mail if some of you feel like it... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jun 13 16:08:09 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:08:09 -0400 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-13 14:20:33 EDT, you write: >Yeah, and lots of people think Hawkwind are love n peace hippies. >They're completely wrong, and are just showing that they don't really know >much of what they are talking about. You are correct. Dave Brock has commented on this numerous times. A " loose collection of freaks" probably sums it up best. regards, Bill Stewart From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Jun 13 13:58:00 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:58:00 +0000 Subject: HW: New pictures Message-ID: Andy Cobley wrote: > Did you have the sound turned on and play with the sound effects?<<<<-----------------########################################################################################yes.that is what i found interesting about it.the graphics were pretty nice,too. rj From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Thu Jun 13 18:06:52 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:06:52 -0500 Subject: HW boring ?... In-Reply-To: <960612182346_133645079@emout15.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jun 12, 96 06:23:47 pm Message-ID: > > Jill said > > >Nohow - I've just got hold of Hawkfan 24 and 25 and have discovered at > >last what Doug Smith looks like - not at all what I expected! Tall, > >loads of hair, a beard, large glasses and a huge grin. That was > >definitely a surprise! > > Surely the huge grin didn't surprise you? (And the rest is probably a > disguise. :) > > - Andy > I'm an old (maybe in more ways that one, depending on how you count) Hawkwind fan but new (a few weeks) to this list. Can you let me know what "Hawkfan" is? Thanks. -- "Illiteracy is the ultimate form of censorship. You do not need to burn a book or ban a book if someone cannot read it." Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6134 From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Jun 13 14:24:02 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:24:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Jesus Saves, but who collects the interest? Message-ID: > > You don't get it. It's not a matter of faith being weak, but of > > respect. You should respect other people's religious beliefs and songs > > which "bash" on Christianity are not *respectful* and that's what > > bothers Christians. > Exactly. My faith feels no weakening when I hear such things, just a > lack of respect. Many non-Christians don't necessarily understand that, > much in the same way that I don't empathize well with - say - people > on the disadvantaged end of racial prejudice. Yes, there's a problem out > there, but it's not an important issue to me because I don't "feel their > pain". Same thing here. Christian-bashing is similar to racial bashing > is similar to Islam-bashing is similar to *any* kind of bashing because > it shows a lack of respect.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > Finally, this thread is quite off from BOC/Hawkwind, and therefore really > doesn't belong on this list -- even the OFF topics should have some > relevance (the idea of having an OFF filter was not so that anyone of us > could start up threads on whatever we wanted to talk about).i wanted to add something to this effect at the tail of my last post, but considering the fact that i had just added my ramblings to everyone else's, i thought it might be a bit hypocritical. rj From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Jun 13 18:35:10 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:35:10 -0400 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: > >J Strobridge writes: > >> Space Opera - surely! (although I've suddenly had this terrible vision >> of Hawkwind abruptly appearing on the flight deck of StarShip Enterprise >> in full stage performing gear - ah no! > >I take it you missed the Choose Your Masques tour in 1982? > >FoFP > > To add another thought to the Space Opera line, wouldn't some people on this list consider Palace Springs to be a bit symphonic? In the terms of a "rock opera", wouldn't you consider Space Ritual in this vein? Duane OBCassette: Enigma - Cross of Changes -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Fri Jun 14 10:38:38 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:38:38 EST Subject: HW boring ?... In-Reply-To: <9606131412.aa29986@uk.ac.ed.tattoo>; from "M Holmes" at Jun 14, 96 02:12:10 pm Message-ID: > > > > M Holmes writes: > > There's a video of this somewhere but basically they had 16 TV screens > behind the band in a 4x4 array. Sometimes they showed the same picture > on each (space piccies, Stonehenge etc) and sometimes a composite across > the 16 screens. The rest of the set was done up like the bridge of a > starship with 4 supplementary screens at various positions. IMHO this > was very effective and I remember this as one of the best of the 60 or > so gigs I've seen. > > > FoFP > Yep it was very visual,I remember wondering how they got the effect of the band playing on a bridge,and was really amazed at how the backdrop was painted to give the illusion of distance.THe tv screens would also show pics of the band live,whether they were recorded or live I dont know.The band came on to a tape of the outer limits playing,and then launched into choose your masks. This was the first time that I saw NIk appear with them,and he came out towards the end of Coded Languages. The video that was released from the tour wasn't very easy to watch,as the band aren't picked out that well ,IMHO. However I really like the synth jam track thats on it ,from memory after Utopia, and the most memorable moment of the tour -the introduction of Ghost Dance. The first time I heard it ,I thought what the F*** are they doing,only a year later to really enjoy it,and at Dunstable 3 of us did an impromptu Ghost Dance for about 5 mins before the band came on,only for them to start with it, We were bloody knackered. regards Marty (ooh - Ha )Lawrence From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Jun 13 21:20:50 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:20:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: Lyrics (was Duran Duran) In-Reply-To: <199606131656.SAA24196@lorien.imaginet.fr> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jun 13, 96 06:56:56 pm Message-ID: Alex sayz... > > Keith A. Henderson explains : > >I suppose it's just that I really don't see why I would want to really care > >about the feelings/inspirations/political leanings-whatever, of people I've > >never met. > > Hmm... Do you ever read any novels ? I mean, it's the same. Yep...occasionally. And because they just happen to be the same novels that are the basis for much of what Hawkwind writes lyrics about, it makes for an easy comparison. And no, it's not the same. Although Bob Calvert's (or Brock's) lyrics may represent the same basic ideas and may even tell a story to a certain extent, I can't say I get very much out of reading the lyrics off the liner notes (or the now-secret lyric database) vs. reading Moorcock's Dancers at the End of Time. Anything else about the lyrics is purely aural....the (poetic) meter of it, and the delivery/expression of the vocalist. The meaning behind the lyrics is purely static, and as a music fan first and foremost, pretty negligible compared to the dynamic 'aural' qualities. > Lyrics don't just convey messages, but often tell *stories* as well. Look at > BOC's lyrics, they most of the time tell stories. I'm listening to "Monsters" > right now, for instance, which has some of the finest lyrics BOC has > written, IMO, with a really funny story - not to mention "Imaginos", which > is ENTIRELY based on the lyrics. If you don't listen to them, then you'll > never understand what the whole fuss is about. Musical lyrics are a bad way of telling a story it seems. They're difficult to understand often, and the metered nature of the tune limits one's abilities to convey a sequence of ideas/events. I suppose that should make it even more satisfying/challenging to try to do it well, but I see it as far secondary to the writing/arranging of the actual song. The only way I've ever seen to easily tell a story through music is to do it in a multi-media fashion - with spoken bits and video/acting. Queensryche did it well with Operation: Mindcrime, Pink Floyd's The Wall also comes to mind, The Who has done it a couple of times (not quite as well), and Hawkwind even attempted something like it with the Chronicle of the Black Sword tour (Moorcock on board). I didn't feel like it (CotBS) added a single thing of interest beyond what I had gained from reading the novels years before. And Operation: Mindcrime done live in a rock opera kind of setting was really quite interesting, but when I go back and listen to the studio album now, it doesn't matter to me that I now know what the whole story is about - it still sounds exactly the same. If they went and made a movie of this story, I'd go and see it and enjoy it for what it was worth. But this is entirely separate from the practice of 'listening' to music for me....I hear sound. When I read or watch video, I imagine ideas/concepts. I don't see that as a limitation on my enjoyment of music....rather I'm just really intensely focussed on the dynamical & rhythmical character of music, such that anything apart from that is diversionary. And what is Imaginos anyway??? I quite like that album, but never realised until reading the Goldmine article that it was supposed to be about something - sorry, Albert. I suppose musical artists *want* to try to be 'novelists' through their own work, so I guess it's probably disappointing to them when their audience just doesn't *get* it, or doesn't even really try. > >> >> "My Antarctica" > >> > > >> >There's an oxymoron for you..... > >> > >> Hmm ? What do you mean ? I'm not familiar with that word, "oxymoron"... > > > >Simply speaking, it means 'Contradiction in terms'.....all I'm trying to say > >is that Antarctica isn't "owned" by anyone, so it can't be "mine". > > Oh, okay. Well, if you listen to the lyrics :-) you'll find out that they > don't really mean the "real" Antarctica. It's just a figure of speech. They > imply a place difficult to reach, secret, deserted, etc... See, that's also > why lyrics are important : they help you understand things which you might > otherwise misunderstand. Well, these days, Antarctica is pretty easy to get to compared to some other places in the world (like Tibet, for instance). And I didn't learn that from listening to lyrics... :) Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Broth - The Love Cowboys From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jun 13 21:32:49 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:32:49 +1100 Subject: Jesus Saves or does he? Message-ID: Here we go again ...... Does anyone have a Jesus smiley handy? Or perhaps a suitable variation of IMHO ? Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From chriss at MDC.NET Thu Jun 13 17:34:21 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:34:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: Darwin lives Message-ID: >I'm sure I remember a long post here (fairly recently) from Deb ?? >(sorry, don't know your name!) of the BOC/Brain Surgeons link of >bizarre and somewhat unfortunate demises. I thought I'd saved a copy >but can't find it. Does anyone else remember this - I hope I don't >misrepresent her! Yes. I remember it . It was entitled "People who Died Weird". I don't think I saved it though. Chris From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jun 13 22:46:51 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:46:51 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Jesus Saves, but who collects the interest? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-13 18:25:16 EDT, you write: > in other words.. i would not have a problem with your faith if you'ld just >leave me >out of it. rj > > Hey rj, you ole heathen you!! Does this mean I'll have to forego my plans of converting your satanic ass on the way to The Brixton Academy?;-) regards, Bill Stewart From dahl at MAIL.AROS.NET Fri Jun 14 01:54:31 1996 From: dahl at MAIL.AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 23:54:31 -0600 Subject: OFF: Urban Ledgends Message-ID: At 11:09 AM 6/13/96 -0400, you wrote: > This sounds like an urban legend to me. Its amazing how >stories can be passed on and people believe them to be true. >For example, someone told me the story of how a guy in scuba gear >was found in the middle of a forest in the Pacific North-West >lying dead with every bone in his body broken. It seems that >there had been a forest fire and helicopters had gone with giant >scoops to pick up sea water to drop on it. The unfortunate diver >was in the wrong place at the wrong time. > Now someone in a bar in North Carolina told me this story >and I believed it. Then I was talking to someone who was over >from England visiting and someone had told him exactly the same >story. Except that it had happened in France. He had believed it >toa. Then it dawned on us both that this was probably an urban legend. > Any basis in fact? Opinions anyone? > >Totally off-topic ramblings over > >Martyn > This is an urban legend. It's currently being emailed and faxed all over the world in various forms. Too good to be true I guess. Brad Dahl From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Jun 14 02:41:14 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:41:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Jesus Saves, but who collects the interest? (erm, maybe those that re-wrote the bible to suit their needs?) In-Reply-To: <199606131938.UAA09099@easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: Note: The author of the post to which I respond has exhibited the kind of prejudice that have caused wars in the wrong hands. He has lumped all of a particular group of people - Christians, in this case - into a category of murderous Cascaders and slave-driving, racist rapists. I sincerely hope he is in the minority here on BOC-L. Of what I've seen from the rest of you, that thankfully seems to be the case. On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: > Ha, Christians wanting respect! What, like the kinda "respect" that > Christianity has shown to others throughout history (and right up to the > present day)? The kinda "respect" that says "be a Christian or die". > Maybe if Christians thought for themselves I'd have some respect for them. > As it is, they are a group of people that have caused so much suffering on > this planet that it's difficult not to *hate* them. 1) I never said I agreed with the many historical "Christians" who caused such suffering. 2) I do think for myself, thank you. > And what a fine Christian you are if you don't care about those on the > receiving end of racial hatred (that is what you said above isn't it?). No, I did not say I don't care about those on the receiving end of racial hatred; I said I find it difficult to empathize with them. Have you ever had a burning crucifix in your backyard? I sure haven't. Have you ever had a gun in your face because you are a "Jew-boy"? I sure haven't, though in the case of the latter example, I am a candidate. In other words, I do think racism is terrible; but, while for some it is the #1 issue in their life, I'm neither a victim nor a part of the problem, so it isn't as big an issue. Understand? > Do you only pay attention to the bits of the Bible that suit you? Nope. The whole thing, actually. I'm not perfect, and therefore can't succeed in following it the whole time (1 John 1:8), but I do try. > Not that it matters what the Bible says...it's been re-written numerous > times anyway. I'm not a theologian, so I'm not quite equipped to respond to that; then again, you're not a theologian either. When I see evidence of this rewriting (different translations don't count, BTW), we'll talk. Otherwise, I'll respect your beliefs (those that don't include hatred) and hope (and pray) that you'll respect mine. > Oh well, suppose I'll burn in hell now (and probably with Duran Duran > playing endlessly in the background as I roast!). 1) That's up to God. 2) It'll probably be NIN, not Duran Duran. :) 2a) Actually, it'll probably be Led Zeppelin played backwards. :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers P.S.: To the BOC-Lers not interested in this thread, I apologize for continuing to contribute to this thread (and for starting it) after I said I'd stop. I will try to restrict myself to simply responding to those posts with (sp?) misguided comments about / categorization of me. Oh yeah, and stuff about Hawkwind too. (Remember them?) :) From southend at SERV.NET Fri Jun 14 02:42:18 1996 From: southend at SERV.NET (Steve Burton) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 23:42:18 -0700 Subject: Birth of Space Rock Message-ID: At 09:17 AM 6/13/96 -0400, you wrote: >Christian says > >>Perhaps Sun Ra's Arkestra predated them all with his Space Jazz..... > >Which brings me once again to the MC5, and the track "Starship" (credited to >MC5/Sun Ra) on 1968's _Kick Out the Jams_. (Though I admit it's easier to >spot the MC5 influence on Hawkwind after Lemmy joins :) > >I'm sure the West Coast scene - Airplane, Joplin - fits into this story too, >somewhere... > >- Andy Yeah, I'm absolutely certain I hear a strong Quicksilver Messenger Service influence up to, and especially on HOTMG. Listen to QMSs "Happy Trails" - especially if you like early HW. I'm sure that if you asked Brock, he would say he liked Quicksilver. Steve From southend at SERV.NET Fri Jun 14 02:51:46 1996 From: southend at SERV.NET (Steve Burton) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 23:51:46 -0700 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: At 06:35 PM 6/13/96 -0400, you wrote: >> >>J Strobridge writes: >> >>> Space Opera - surely! (although I've suddenly had this terrible vision >>> of Hawkwind abruptly appearing on the flight deck of StarShip Enterprise >>> in full stage performing gear - ah no! >> >>I take it you missed the Choose Your Masques tour in 1982? >> >>FoFP >> >> >To add another thought to the Space Opera line, wouldn't some people >on this list consider Palace Springs to be a bit symphonic? Yes. >In the terms of a "rock opera", wouldn't you consider Space Ritual in >this vein? Emphatically. Brilliant. Exactly right. Steve > >Duane >OBCassette: Enigma - Cross of Changes From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Jun 14 03:00:30 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:00:30 -0500 Subject: Jesus Saves or does he? In-Reply-To: <199606140228.MAA02682@uluru.ozonline.com.au> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?= wrote: > Does anyone have a Jesus smiley handy? Or perhaps a suitable > variation of IMHO ? Well, I do seem to recall writing ****** way back when I first made the mistake of veering off-topic onto this one... I had a feeling I'd hit a few nerves. :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Jun 14 04:23:32 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 03:23:32 -0500 Subject: OFF:Jesus Saves Message-ID: On 13-JUN-1996 14:48:21.9 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> >> Alex says-- >> >> > >I can't >> > >imagine why this stuff bothers Christians so much anyway. If their >> > >faith is so weak that it can be shaken by some irreverence, then >> > >maybe they're barking up the wrong tree anyway. >> > >> > You don't get it. It's not a matter of faith being weak, but of >respect. You >> > should respect other people's religious beliefs and songs which >"bash" on >> > Christianity are not *respectful* and that's what bothers >Christians. > >> I don't think Christians are generally TOLERANT, never mind >respectful, of > the beliefs of others. They're far more interested in >imposing their > beliefs on others. As for bashing Christianity, in >the U.S. we still > have a Constitutionally protected right to free >speech (despite the > best efforts of fanatical Christians who "know" >what's best for us). If > you think a song (or book, or movie, or >whatever) is offensive, don't > listen to it, read it, or watch it. >Show a little respect for those who > DON'T think Christianity is the >best thing since buttered toast. > >> Guido >> >Finally, a voice of reason. Couldn't have said it better myself. >theo But to stereotype all (or most) Christians as thus is unfair, as I know of many who don't give a rat's ass WHAT anyone else does. Remember, the description of "Christian" can vary greatly. I have a friend who considers himself a "Christian", and yet he drinks, has pre-marital sex, what not, but he's had some of these personal "experiences" in which he's actually felt the presence of something divine or whatever. You can argue theology, but you can't argue what people feel. Chuck (not Christian, but Agnostic, and a little embarrassed for contributing to this) `[1;32;41mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Jun 14 04:43:37 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 03:43:37 -0500 Subject: Birth of Space Rock Message-ID: On 14-JUN-1996 02:47:36.9 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >At 09:17 AM 6/13/96 -0400, you wrote: >>Christian says >> >>>Perhaps Sun Ra's Arkestra predated them all with his Space Jazz..... >> >>Which brings me once again to the MC5, and the track "Starship" >(credited to >>MC5/Sun Ra) on 1968's _Kick Out the Jams_. (Though I admit it's >easier to >spot the MC5 influence on Hawkwind after Lemmy joins :) >> >>I'm sure the West Coast scene - Airplane, Joplin - fits into this >story too, >>somewhere... >> >>- Andy As for the early Floyd tracks, can't forget "Careful With That Axe Eugene"! >Yeah, I'm absolutely certain I hear a strong Quicksilver Messenger >Service influence up to, and especially on HOTMG. Listen to QMSs >"Happy Trails" - especially if you like early HW. >I'm sure that if you asked Brock, he would say he liked Quicksilver. >Steve How about 13th Fl. Elevators? Chuck `[1;32;41mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Jun 14 04:48:15 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 03:48:15 -0500 Subject: OFF:Jesus Saves Message-ID: On 14-JUN-1996 03:33:20.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >On 13-JUN-1996 14:48:21.9 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >>> >>> Alex says-- >>> >>> > >I can't >>> > >imagine why this stuff bothers Christians so much anyway. If >their >> > >faith is so weak that it can be shaken by some >irreverence, then >> > >maybe they're barking up the wrong tree anyway. >>> > >>> > You don't get it. It's not a matter of faith being weak, but of >>respect. You >>> > should respect other people's religious beliefs and songs which >>"bash" on >>> > Christianity are not *respectful* and that's what bothers >>Christians. > >>> I don't think Christians are generally TOLERANT, never mind >>respectful, of > the beliefs of others. They're far more interested in >>imposing their > beliefs on others. As for bashing Christianity, in >>the U.S. we still > have a Constitutionally protected right to free >>speech (despite the > best efforts of fanatical Christians who "know" >>what's best for us). If > you think a song (or book, or movie, or >>whatever) is offensive, don't > listen to it, read it, or watch it. >>Show a little respect for those who > DON'T think Christianity is the >>best thing since buttered toast. > >>> Guido >>> >>Finally, a voice of reason. Couldn't have said it better myself. >>theo >But to stereotype all (or most) Christians as thus is unfair, as I >know of many who don't give a rat's ass WHAT anyone else does. Remember, >the description of >"Christian" can vary greatly. I have a friend who considers himself a >"Christian", and yet he drinks, has pre-marital sex, what not, Oh, and in case this didn't get my point across, his favorite band is MERCYFUL FATE!! :) The main idea here is that it isn't about any kind of organized religion, TV preachers, money, fame, vanity, etc...just one's own version of the Christian religion. Religion should be specialized for every single person who is religious, if indeed religion is a personal/spiritual thing, right? but >he's had some of these personal "experiences" in which he's actually >felt the presence of something divine or whatever. You can argue >theology, but you can't argue what people feel. >Chuck (not Christian, but >Agnostic, and a little embarrassed for contributing to >this) >`[1;32;41mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive Okay, that's it. Chuck `[1;34;41mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Jun 14 03:51:43 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 08:51:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: was Duran Duran Message-ID: Keith wrote: > I suppose it's just that I really don't see why I would want to really care > about the feelings/inspirations/political leanings-whatever, of people I've > never met. Well you might want to be able to argue against them or point out to othres where lyrics are distasteful. I mean I've never met the thrash band Slayer but I care that they wrote a song about Josef Mengele, surely not a fit thing to create *entertainment* about! > So what happens if you hate/disagree with the lyrics?? Does that make a > musical composition less enjoyable?? Not for me. It ought to. Aren't a neo-Nazi band like Skrewdriver offensive for their lyrics regardless of their musical style? Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Jun 14 03:57:10 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 08:57:10 +0100 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: Alex wrote: > Hey, calm down, I never said HW was a bad band or that it was rubbish or > whatever. Yeah, sorry I was a bit tetchy yesterday. Shouldn't have blown up at you like that! > I only said that I heard just a few songs (and only bits of them, > I'll remind you) and I also said that I *want to like them* I realize that > what I've heard is not enough to place a judgement, and that's why I've been > asking for advice of albums I should listen to. Well I gave some advise as well :-) > Please read my first post again if you think I was saying that HW is a bad band. Wasn't defensive about that. Couldn't give a flying you know what if other people like HW to be honest. I do and as long as they keep on recording and touring I'll be happy. > Give me a break, will ya ? Just this one eh? > And as for your comment, I wouldn't call those bands "bland > middle-of-the-road radio fair". I think you are being a bit harsh there, but > that's probably due to your (uncalled-for) edginess. :-) > Why bother, you ask ? Because I like discovering new stuff and that I don't > think I've heard enough of HW to say I don't like it. And the band has > always intrigued me, so I want to look further into their music. So I'll > definitely try one of their albums in the near future. And I'll let you know > what comes out of it. Well I hope that you find something you like (and not too much too hate :-) Chris From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri Jun 14 05:01:10 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:01:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards Message-ID: Bryan Irby wrote: > > > > > This sounds like an urban legend to me. Its amazing how > > stories can be passed on and people believe them to be true. > .... > > Any basis in fact? Opinions anyone? > > Though I must acknowledge that urban legends are plentiful, I actually read > about that JATO story a few years ago in an air force / aeronautical journal > of some sort that an AF friend of mine had... Though one can certainly not > always believe everything one reads, the whole thing had an air of truth and > authority to it, But thats the point about true UL's they sound so true they just have to be true, and they point out the foolishness of others. After hearing about it you can sit back with a smug "I would never do that" grin ! Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Jun 14 04:03:25 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:03:25 +0100 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: Chris Baxley wrote: > Chris Bates wrote: > >Nah, you're talking about *rebellion* which is part of being a teenager. > > No, rebellion is part of being a concious human. Most people don't rebel. Ever. If they do then it's as adolescents when in fact it's merely conforming to a different norm. For me that's what the punk attitude was. It wasn't an attempt to change the world and was no more dangerous or truly rebellious than skiffle or a whist night for old ladies. If anyone wants to change the world then I'll listen to their proposals but if changing the world involves pink mohicans, pogoing and copious gobbing then you can count me out. Political agendas can't be explained in 2 minute songs, never could never will be. If they could Marx would've been a songwriter wouldn't he :-) Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Jun 14 04:08:20 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:08:20 +0100 Subject: HW: New pictures Message-ID: Andy C wrote: > I have dug up some photos taken by myself during Hawkwinds tours > of 1982 and 1984 and put them on line. Please come and view them ! > > I have tested the page with a number of viewers, it should work ok Well tickle my toes and call me Terence if that isn't a damn fine piece of work :-) Just one thing, you've acknowledged the copyright on the music, but really you ought to have the permission of the copyright owner to use the sample didn't you? I'm not saying get rid of it, but watch out for misives from *dangerous* Doug Smiff! Chris From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri Jun 14 05:54:58 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:54:58 +0000 Subject: HW: New pictures Message-ID: Chris Bates wrote: > Well tickle my toes and call me Terence if that isn't a damn fine > piece of work :-) Why Thank you ! > Just one thing, you've acknowledged the copyright on the music, but > really you ought to have the permission of the copyright owner to > use the sample didn't you? I'm not saying get rid of it, but watch > out for misives from *dangerous* Doug Smiff! Yes I know. Gets me worried every time I think about it, are they likley to come after me ? Looks like I need a back up plan ! Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jun 14 05:48:17 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:48:17 +0200 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: Chris Bates wrote : >> Hey, calm down, I never said HW was a bad band or that it was rubbish or >> whatever. > >Yeah, sorry I was a bit tetchy yesterday. Shouldn't have blown up at you >like that! Okay, all is forgotten & forgiven ;-) There are days like that... >> Why bother, you ask ? Because I like discovering new stuff and that I don't >> think I've heard enough of HW to say I don't like it. And the band has >> always intrigued me, so I want to look further into their music. So I'll >> definitely try one of their albums in the near future. And I'll let you know >> what comes out of it. > >Well I hope that you find something you like (and not too much too >hate :-) We'll soon find out... I think I'm gonna go and buy "Levitation" today ! I'll let keep you posted... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jun 14 05:48:20 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:48:20 +0200 Subject: OFF: Lyrics (was Duran Duran) Message-ID: Keith pursues : >> Hmm... Do you ever read any novels ? I mean, it's the same. > >Yep...occasionally. And because they just happen to be the same novels that >are the basis for much of what Hawkwind writes lyrics about, it makes for an >easy comparison. And no, it's not the same. Although Bob Calvert's (or >Brock's) lyrics may represent the same basic ideas and may even tell a story to >a certain extent, I can't say I get very much out of reading the lyrics Well, there are different kinds of lyrics, you know. I'm not familiar (yet) with HW's so I can't talk about them. But in general, you have three basic kind of lyrics : 1) meaningless lyrics (like the ones you mentioned in your previous message) 2) lyrics which convey a message 3) and lyrics which tell a story. Now of course, you can mix those together to have for instance lyrics telling a story while conveying a message, others will tell a story but in such a way that they seem meaningless (not an easy task, actually) and you can also convey a message within meaningless lyrics (oh yes, that's possible alright !). Anyway, my point is that a lot of songs tell a story but not necessarily in such a way that you won't understand them. Take the lyrics to "Veteran of the psychic wars", "Sole survivor" or "Black blade" which speak by themselves. They really do tell a story in a very linear way. And in that sense, I say it's pretty much the same as a novel (or rather a short-story, because of the length). >Musical lyrics are a bad way of telling a story it seems. They're difficult to >understand often Listen to (or read) the lyrics to the songs mentioned above - I don't think you can call those "difficult to understand". And BOC wrote quite a few lyrics of this kind. >and the metered nature of the tune limits one's abilities to >convey a sequence of ideas/events. I don't think so. "Imaginos" precisely plays with this notion, since the story is told "out of sequence". Very skillfully, IMO. >And what is Imaginos anyway??? I quite like that album, but never realised >until reading the Goldmine article that it was supposed to be about something - >sorry, Albert. I suppose musical artists *want* to try to be 'novelists' >through their own work, so I guess it's probably disappointing to them when >their audience just doesn't *get* it, or doesn't even really try. Haven't you even read the liner notes ? They pretty much sum up the story. Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Jun 14 05:53:22 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:53:22 +0100 Subject: off: Angel of Death was Re: OFF: Duran Duran In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jun 1996 08:51:43 BST." <199606140751.IAA00976@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: Chris said - > Well you might want to be able to argue against them or point out to > othres where lyrics are distasteful. I mean I've never met the thrash > band Slayer but I care that they wrote a song about Josef Mengele, > surely not a fit thing to create *entertainment* about! Err, why not ? I think Tom Araya's argument would be "hey, the subject matter got us noticed as a band and now we're extremely popular ! Thanks Josef" :-) I would have a problem if the song *advocated* what happened, but what people (not necessarily you, Chris) have got hot & bothered about with the lyrics is the ambiguous moral viewpoint and almost neutral presentation of events. I can't think of a line in the song that infers Mengele was onto a good idea, or whether the lyricist was impressed. Its just a radical change from the "I want to rock you all night long baby" school of lyrics. (Besides, didn't someone here say Araya listens to soul music at home ? :-) Tim ... and 'Reign In Blood' *is* a storming album... From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jun 14 06:12:15 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:12:15 +0200 Subject: MM single (DtI) Message-ID: Hi, Chuck > >PS! I'm looking for the "Dopes to Infinity" CD single by MM. Anybody got > >an extra one or know where I can get one? > > Pretty sure I saw this recently (along w/another single from the Dopes > album). E-mail me yer address and I'll pick it up next time I'm there (it's > a 30-minute drive) if it's still there. > > Chuck > `[1;32;43mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive Should I send you a check or a money order? I live overseas... my address is: Christian Mumford Bygdoy Alle 58 B 0265 Oslo Norway Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 14 06:58:04 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:58:04 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond 15 June London (tomorrow) Message-ID: Anyone heading down to the Royal Standard in Walthamstow to see Bevis Frond tomorrow? Right across from the Blackhorse Road tube station (Victoria Line). Should be good fun. Doors open at 8, tix are 5 quid. Serious fearsome guitar madness :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Jun 14 03:01:00 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 07:01:00 +0000 Subject: HW: New pictures Message-ID: > > Just one thing, you've acknowledged the copyright on the music, but > > really you ought to have the permission of the copyright owner to > > use the sample didn't you? I'm not saying get rid of it, but watch > > out for misives from *dangerous* Doug Smiff! > > Yes I know. Gets me worried every time I think about it, are they > likley to come after me ? Looks like I need a back up plan ! > > Andy Cmaybe you should email star rats and show them what you've done and maybe they will volunteer permission. rj From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jun 14 07:03:00 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:03:00 +0200 Subject: MM single (DtI)] Message-ID: Oops, sorry, I sent this to BOC-L by mistake. Ya there, Chuck? Lost yer address (I've been drowning in mail since I joined BOC-L!!!) Christian From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Jun 14 03:15:15 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 07:15:15 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lyrics (was Duran Duran) Message-ID: 1. imaginos- i have all of boc's albums and have been a fan nearly as long as they have been a band.BUT- while i like the album imaginos, the lyrics seem extremely disjointed and prone to inciting images rather than a story.the liner notes, to me, seem even less solid, like they put it in there just so we can look at them and say wuh-the-fuh?!?!? 2. v-p-w's- good lyrics, same for black blade,and sole survivor. my two favorite lyrical works by boc- the vigil, and then came the last days of may.many other tunes seem like the lyrics were only added as an after thought,and the only redemption for them is that they seem to rhyme. 3. hawkwind- live chronicles- maybe it is only because i knew the elric story by rote before ever hearing this album, but from my point of view, this story could not have been delivered more accurately than it is here.hawkwind seems to be no less guilty than anyone else of adding lyrics just for freak value than anyone else, but when they are trying to tell a story, they are usually right -on. one band that a lot of people can't stand,is really good at telling tales in their lyrics. i'm talking about iron maiden,especially piece of mind.if you knnow the words to this album,it can give you chills at times.. rj From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 14 08:07:27 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 08:07:27 -0400 Subject: OFF:Jesus Saves the Church of Hawkwind Message-ID: > >> > >I can't > >> > >imagine why this stuff bothers Christians so much anyway. If their > >> > >faith is so weak that it can be shaken by some irreverence, then > >> > >maybe they're barking up the wrong tree anyway. > >> I don't think Christians are generally TOLERANT, never mind > >respectful, of > the beliefs of others. They're far more interested in >But to stereotype all (or most) Christians as thus is unfair, as I know of >many who don't give a rat's ass WHAT anyone else does. Remember, >the description of >Chuck (not Christian, butAgnostic, and a little embarrassed for contributing to aaaaaarrrrrggghhhhhhh! Is there any way we can nudge this into a discussion about the Church of Hawkwind? My friend Phil says it's too synthetic, he doesn't like it. I can get it for about $7, he says don't bother... If I had a choice of Church or Space Bandits, (which I do), which would be recommended first? +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 14 08:07:29 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 08:07:29 -0400 Subject: HW: New pictures Message-ID: >email star rats and show them what you've done and maybe they will volunteer >permission. rj Star rats? Rats live on no evil star! +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Jun 14 08:24:31 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:24:31 +0100 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: Marty wrote in a discussion of the '82 stage set: > Yep it was very visual,I remember wondering how they got the effect of the > band playing on a bridge,and was really amazed at how the backdrop was painted > to give the illusion of distance.THe tv screens would also show pics of the > band live,whether they were recorded or live I dont know.The band came on to > a tape of the outer limits playing,and then launched into choose your masks. Definitely one of their best stage sets. I seem to remember a tour from the early '90s where they had a sort of gauze curtain in front of the stage with lights etc shining onto it. Made the band into shadowy figures in the background. Can anyone tell me what the tour was (or even if I'm right about this!) Chris From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Jun 14 07:45:21 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 07:45:21 -0400 Subject: Jesus Saves the Church of Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <199606141207.IAA03552@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Jun 14, 96 08:07:27 am Message-ID: Andrew says-- > aaaaaarrrrrggghhhhhhh! > > Is there any way we can nudge this into a discussion about the > Church of Hawkwind? Sounds cool. Arguments about religion get me down, because rationality goes right out the window. But this does, hence the removal of the "OFF". :-) > My friend Phil says it's too synthetic, he doesn't like it. I can get > it for about $7, he says don't bother... If I had a choice of Church > or Space Bandits, (which I do), which would be recommended first? CoH is definitely one of my favorites. I think the term "synthetic" is unfair, since it implies a lack of feeling in the music. But practically all of the songs, IMHO, pack a unique emotional punch. It does have synthesizers and samples, etc, but that, of course, does not mean it isn't good stuff. Space Bandits might be more accessible though. Guido -- The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The Name that can be named is not the eternal Name. From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Jun 14 08:53:45 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr Pepper (they call me Mister Pibb)) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:53:45 +0100 Subject: HW boring ?... In-Reply-To: <199606141224.NAA01469@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Chris Bates wrote: > I seem to remember a tour from the early '90s where they had a sort > of gauze curtain in front of the stage with lights etc shining onto > it. Made the band into shadowy figures in the background. Can anyone > tell me what the tour was (or even if I'm right about this!) This was your first year at Sheffield Uni, you probably saw them at the City Hall, with Nik and Dead Fred as part of the HW crew. So this would make it early 1980s, part of the Eath ritual tour ISTR. Mike w From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Fri Jun 14 13:57:19 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:57:19 BST Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind vs Space Bandits Message-ID: Andrew asks SP vs CoH. 1) Thank f**k we're getting back on topic - take a bow Andrew. 2) er....I'm afraid I don't have CoH, but Space Bandits is IMO, a good, but not fantastic HW album. Plenty of rock numbers, my fave being 'Out of the Shadows', which _almost_ sounded like Faith No More to me ! (in parts :-)) Black Elk Speaks is...er...spoken, but cool nonetheless. The mood becomes mor forlorn for the highly atomspheric, synthy 'Birds'. Hope this helps. Cheers, Neil. From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Fri Jun 14 14:20:35 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:20:35 BST Subject: HW: the guaze tour Message-ID: I seem to remember the Electric Teepee tour having the guaze across stage front. They did at Liverpool Royal Court anyways. cheers, Neil. From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jun 14 09:06:45 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:06:45 +0200 Subject: Birth of Space Rock Message-ID: > > How about 13th Fl. Elevators? > "Slip inside this House" and "Levitation" on Easter Everywhere would be the tracks.... For some reason, my fave 13th FE album is Bull of the Woods.... not much Rocky stuff, but overall a memorable and catchy album. More pop oriented in places rather than Rocky's (in)sane ramblings. Christian From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Jun 14 09:37:12 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:37:12 +1000 Subject: Jesus Saves [but who collects the interest?] In-Reply-To: <2A231DB7DBD@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > Guido sez: > > IMHO, any band that bashes Christianity can't be all bad. (DID I SAY > > THAT? :-) ). > > > > Guido (a product of Jesuit education) > Amen to that, brother! Can I get a witness? Seriously, I can't > imagine why this stuff bothers Christians so much anyway. If their > faith is so weak that it can be shaken by some irreverence, then > maybe they're barking up the wrong tree anyway. Christ's teachings > were revolutionary in their time--hell, he was killed for questioning > the rules of the established religions of his time... > theo > [another Catholic school alum] > Sorry dudes, I am a christian. I doesn't bother me. I have strong faith. Only anti-religious bigots bother me. Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Jun 14 09:39:57 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:39:57 +1000 Subject: HW boring ?... In-Reply-To: <960613100044_555413121@emout12.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Bill Stewart wrote: > In a message dated 96-06-13 06:49:22 EDT, you write: > > >I'm still waiting with baited breath for a Country & Western cover :-) > > I always thought that MMs New Worlds Fair had a distinct C&W flavor to it. > Kinda like waylon Jennings on X. Or maybe its just me on X. > regards, > Bill Stewart > Dealing with the Devil? A TRUE HW C&W song. Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Jun 14 09:42:54 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:42:54 +1000 Subject: Jesus Saves =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D5but?= who collects the interest? =?iso-8859-1?Q?=FE?= In-Reply-To: <199606131503.RAA18912@lorien.imaginet.fr> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > >I can't > >imagine why this stuff bothers Christians so much anyway. If their > >faith is so weak that it can be shaken by some irreverence, then > >maybe they're barking up the wrong tree anyway. > > You don't get it. It's not a matter of faith being weak, but of respect. You > should respect other people's religious beliefs and songs which "bash" on > Christianity are not *respectful* and that's what bothers Christians. > > > > Alex S. Garcia. > Now THAT'S the truth! Troy From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jun 14 14:46:16 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:46:16 BST Subject: HW: the guaze tour Message-ID: > > I seem to remember the Electric Teepee tour having the guaze across stage front. They did at Liverpool Royal Court anyways. > > cheers, > Neil. > I seem to remember that they did at Bristol, Southampton and the all nighter at Brixton but not at Brighton. cheers - Rob From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 14 14:44:47 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:44:47 BST Subject: HW boring ?... In-Reply-To: Chris Bates's message of Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:24:31 +0100 Message-ID: Chris Bates writes: > Marty wrote in a discussion of the '82 stage set: > > > Yep it was very visual,I remember wondering how they got the effect of the > > band playing on a bridge,and was really amazed at how the backdrop was painted > > to give the illusion of distance.THe tv screens would also show pics of the > > band live,whether they were recorded or live I dont know.The band came on to > > a tape of the outer limits playing,and then launched into choose your masks. > > Definitely one of their best stage sets. > > I seem to remember a tour from the early '90s where they had a sort > of gauze curtain in front of the stage with lights etc shining onto > it. Made the band into shadowy figures in the background. Can anyone > tell me what the tour was (or even if I'm right about this!) Yep, the '92 "Electric Teepee" tour. I particularly remember the matchstick men being projected onto the gauze during "Secret Agent". I managed six gigs on that tour (Hi Tim!) and had a great and very exhausting week. > Chris FoFP From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Jun 14 09:50:23 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:50:23 +1000 Subject: Jesus Saves or does he? In-Reply-To: <2A5C3276F67@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > > >I can't > > >imagine why this stuff bothers Christians so much anyway. If their > > >faith is so weak that it can be shaken by some irreverence, then > > >maybe they're barking up the wrong tree anyway. > > > > You don't get it. It's not a matter of faith being weak, but of respect. You > > should respect other people's religious beliefs and songs which "bash" on > > Christianity are not *respectful* and that's what bothers Christians. > > > > > > > > Alex S. Garcia. > > > Considering that all religions are based on superstition, and presume > things that can't be proven, why do we humans take them so damned > seriously? > theo > Not to generalise things of course. Why don't you write a book about this stuff? Maybe someone will agree with you and you can start your own cult. :) Troy From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Jun 14 09:10:56 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:10:56 +0100 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: The man they laughingly call Big Mike wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Chris Bates wrote: > > I seem to remember a tour from the early '90s where they had a sort > > of gauze curtain in front of the stage with lights etc shining onto > > it. Made the band into shadowy figures in the background. Can anyone > > tell me what the tour was (or even if I'm right about this!) > > This was your first year at Sheffield Uni, you probably saw them at the > City Hall, with Nik and Dead Fred as part of the HW crew. So this would > make it early 1980s, part of the Eath ritual tour ISTR. Wotcha Mikey Pops, you can ISTR all you like but I ISTR this as being at the Octagon - wasn't it the one Hans went to and hated? BTW any arrangements yet for the Euro '96 piss-up (feel free to answer *off-line* as they say - don't want the wholw world to know our drinking habits do we :-)??? Chris From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Jun 14 09:53:11 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:53:11 +1000 Subject: OFF: Jesus Saves or does he? In-Reply-To: <199606131729.TAA29933@lorien.imaginet.fr> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > Theo says : > > >Considering that all religions are based on superstition, and presume > >things that can't be proven, why do we humans take them so damned > >seriously? > >theo > > > > Maybe because it's not just superstition. Maybe because some of "we humans" > have actually experienced things which others have a hard time believing in. > Why would you respect other people's tastes in music, movies, colors, games, > etc, and yet not their beliefs ? > > > > Alex S. Garcia. More wisdom from Alex. I concur. Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Jun 14 09:57:27 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:57:27 +1000 Subject: Jesus Saves or does he? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Le Monsieur Damon wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > > Considering that all religions are based on superstition, and presume > > things that can't be proven, why do we humans take them so damned > > seriously? > Because, as Alex said earlier, some people have experienced things which > demonstrate that religion is not simply a matter of superstition. > > I, for one, have seen a few things (no, not fake "healings" on some > televangelism show, but in my life) which say to me that there is plenty > of merit to religious belief. These things that I've seen, which you may > or may not care to hear, aren't such spectacles as plagues and sticks > turning into snakes and people rising from the dead and all that, but > more along the lines of the changes I've seen in people that simply would > not have happened their own. I'd give specific examples, but it would > take up quite a bit of space here. > > Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the > aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore > dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers > > P.S.: Thanks for the support, Alex G. > I again concur and support. Troy From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Jun 14 09:57:36 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:57:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards Message-ID: It seems that nowadays, ANYONE can be a rocket scientist. However, according to this story, one's career as a rocket scientist can be somewhat short... R. From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Jun 14 10:00:51 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:00:51 +1000 Subject: 32 tracks In-Reply-To: <01I5V3C9Q4428X06IJ@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > On 12-JUN-1996 10:30:03.7 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > >> > Some Enchanted Evening > >> > >> I tried this album, but I could never get past "R U Ready 2 Rock". > >> What a dreadful song! > >> > >> I guess I'll stick to Hawkwind. > >I wouldn't judge the merits of BOC on one song (although I like RU Ready > >2 Rock) -- should I judge Hawkwind by listening to one song? > >John > > Certainly, John - how about "Good Morning" or "Mutation Zone", How about Kings of Speed? From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Jun 14 10:02:49 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:02:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards Message-ID: Rocker22 (?) wrote: > It seems that nowadays, ANYONE can be a rocket scientist. However, according > to this story, one's career as a rocket scientist can be somewhat short... Yeah, but his flight lasted longer than that of Ariane 5 didn't it? Chris From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jun 14 10:08:49 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:08:49 +0200 Subject: 32 tracks Message-ID: Troy Harris wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > > > On 12-JUN-1996 10:30:03.7 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > > >> > Some Enchanted Evening > > >> > > >> I tried this album, but I could never get past "R U Ready 2 Rock". > > >> What a dreadful song! > > >> > > >> I guess I'll stick to Hawkwind. > > >I wouldn't judge the merits of BOC on one song (although I like RU Ready > > >2 Rock) -- should I judge Hawkwind by listening to one song? > > >John > > > > Certainly, John - how about "Good Morning" or "Mutation Zone", > > How about Kings of Speed? Nah. Dying Seas! Christian From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 14 15:19:38 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:19:38 BST Subject: OFF: Re: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards In-Reply-To: Rocker22@aol.com's message of Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:57:36 -0400 Message-ID: Rocker22 at aol.com writes: > It seems that nowadays, ANYONE can be a rocket scientist. However, according > to this story, one's career as a rocket scientist can be somewhat short... Short but spectacular. The guy must have got quite a rush. I particularly liked the part about him braking. At 350mph he might as well have flashed the hazard lights. > R. FoFP From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Jun 14 10:55:13 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:55:13 -0500 Subject: Space Bandits (was Re: Jesus Saves the Church of Hawkwind) In-Reply-To: Guido Vacano "Re: Jesus Saves the Church of Hawkwind" (Jun 14, 7:45am) Message-ID: Guido Vacano wrote: > Andrew says-- > > My friend Phil says it's too synthetic, he doesn't like it. I can get > > it for about $7, he says don't bother... If I had a choice of Church > > or Space Bandits, (which I do), which would be recommended first? > > CoH is definitely one of my favorites. I think the term "synthetic" is > unfair, since it implies a lack of feeling in the music. But practically > all of the songs, IMHO, pack a unique emotional punch. It does have > synthesizers and samples, etc, but that, of course, does not mean it > isn't good stuff. > > Space Bandits might be more accessible though. While I think CoH is OK, it never really grabbed me. Space Bandits, on the other hand, I think is a very underrated album. It has several different feelings to it, unlike the albums of many of today's groups where you can hardly distinguish one song from another. The first four songs on SB are especially good, IMHO. The part of Black Elk Speaks where the old Native American recites the traditional prayer is very cool. BTW, that prayer, in a slightly different form, is in the book "Black Elk Speaks" which I am reading now. Interesting reading if you like that sort of thing. Frank ObCD: Monster Magnet - Dopes to Infinity ObNextUp: Michael Moorcock & The Deep Fix - New World's Fair -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 We are not disorganized. We just have a kind of organization that transcends understanding. -- Jacques Barzaghi From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 14 08:13:05 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:13:05 +1100 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: On 12 Jun 96 Andrew A. Apold wrote about Re: HW boring ?...: > >Jill said > > > >>Nohow - I've just got hold of Hawkfan 24 and 25 and have discovered at > >>last what Doug Smith looks like - not at all what I expected! Tall, > >>loads of hair, a beard, large glasses and a huge grin. That was > >>definitely a surprise! > > > >Surely the huge grin didn't surprise you? (And the rest is probably a > >disguise. :) > > That won't fool the agents of R.O.D.S. I'd avoid standing next to him. I wouldn't panic yet Jill .... every time I put the Robot on the raft it sinks :( Sonique ObVinyl: Arthur Brown's Kingdom Come "Journey" ... I really should dust off my old vinyl more often! -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 14 10:04:13 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:04:13 +1100 Subject: HW: Hawktheives ? Message-ID: Gidday All, I've just been listening to Arthur Brown's "Journey" LP from 1974, and I noticed something I've never picked before. Towards the end of the third track, 'Gypsy' there is a bass line that sounds *exactly* the same as the one used in 'Levitation', just before the chorus! Has anyone else with this Lp noticed it? Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 14 10:04:13 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:04:13 +1100 Subject: OFF: Lyrics (was Duran Duran) Message-ID: On 13 Jun 96 Keith A Henderson wrote about Re: OFF: Lyrics (was Duran Duran): > Musical lyrics are a bad way of telling a story it seems. They're difficult to > understand often, and the metered nature of the tune limits one's abilities to > convey a sequence of ideas/events. Eloy's "Ocean" is one example to refute this .... My $0.02 worth (seasonally adjusted): Tracks which use lyrics to "tell a story" work best when they don't go overboard, but convey an image that they are telling a story. The accompanying music needs to set the mood, and the imagination fills in the gaps ... if it's done well. Agree, or the R.O.D.S Robot will be recalibrated ;^) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 14 10:04:14 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:04:14 +1100 Subject: Future Visions (something to change the topic) Message-ID: On 13 Jun 96 Andrew A. Apold wrote about Future Visions (something to change: > After five years and over half a million pounds of funding, > R.O.D.S. unveils Sonique's Sonic Attack Robot and releases > it at a Hawkwind concert with orders to kill a "tall, bearded > guy wearing glasses". After trashing several similarly be- > spectacled concert-goers, Doug gets away by ditching his > glasses, and sues R.O.D.S. for using the words > "Sonic Attack" without permission. You've got no idea how easy it was to raise the cash ..... Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 14 10:04:15 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:04:15 +1100 Subject: Stupid non-relevant and relevant questions Message-ID: On 12 Jun 96 wrote about Re: Stupid non-relevant and relevan: > J Strobridge writes: > > > > Guido Vacano writes: > > > 2) I'd like to order some of the new EMI Hawkwind > > > remasters. Any suggestions? > > > > all of them....! Definitely Hawkwind 1 for its clarity of sound. Then, from Stephen Swann: > To present the case for the opposition :-) I believe that _Hall of the > Mountain Grill_ and _Doremi_ are the albums that gained the most from > being remastered (compared to previous CD releases I mean; I never > owned them on vinyl). My vote goes with Jill .... the more I listen to 'em, the more I'm convinced that the first album is the most improved. Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Jun 14 11:02:20 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:02:20 +1000 Subject: OFF:Jesus Saves In-Reply-To: <01I5VUBHWMC28Y6GZA@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jun 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > "Christian" can vary greatly. True I have a friend who considers himself a > "Christian", and yet he drinks, has pre-marital sex, what not, but he's had > some of these personal "experiences" in which he's actually felt the > presence of something divine or whatever. How sad. You can argue theology, but you > can't argue what people feel. Wanna make a bet? Troy From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Jun 14 11:05:54 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:05:54 -0400 Subject: OFF:Jesus Saves Message-ID: SHUTUP ALREADY From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Jun 14 11:10:18 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:10:18 +1000 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind vs Space Bandits In-Reply-To: <9606141257.AA16179@icarus.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jun 1996 shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM wrote: > Andrew asks SP vs CoH. > > 1) Thank f**k we're getting back on topic - take a bow Andrew. > > 2) er....I'm afraid I don't have CoH, but Space Bandits is IMO, a good, but not fantastic HW album. Plenty of rock numbers, my fave being 'Out of the Shadows', which _almost_ sounded like Faith No More to me ! (in parts :-)) Black Elk Speaks is...er...spoken, but cool nonetheless. The mood becomes mor forlorn for the highly atomspheric, synthy 'Birds'. Hope this helps. > > Cheers, > Neil. > > Hey , Seeing that we're on to the topic of CHURCH........ (Just kiddin') Troy BTW- I think in the aforementioned case I would buy Bandits first, then CoH. From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 14 10:18:47 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:18:47 +1100 Subject: OFF: Rocket Scientists Message-ID: On 14 Jun 96 Rocker22 at AOL.COM wrote about Re: OFF: Re: Nominee for this year': > It seems that nowadays, ANYONE can be a rocket scientist. However, according > to this story, one's career as a rocket scientist can be somewhat short... Reminds me of a story I saw on a local TV programme about this rocket enthusiast who was testing his first home made rocket which is (supposedly) capable of reaching 'space'. He had a really neat T-Shirt which read "As a matter of fact, I AM a Rocket Scientist" Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 14 10:24:58 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:24:58 +1100 Subject: HW boring ?... Message-ID: On 14 Jun 96 Chris Bates wrote about Re: HW boring ?...: > I seem to remember a tour from the early '90s where they had a sort > of gauze curtain in front of the stage with lights etc shining onto > it. Made the band into shadowy figures in the background. Can anyone > tell me what the tour was (or even if I'm right about this!) You don't mean the Teepee's in the ET tour ? Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 14 10:29:14 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:29:14 +1100 Subject: HW: New pictures Message-ID: On 14 Jun 96 Andy Cobley wrote about Re: HW: New pictures: > > use the sample didn't you? I'm not saying get rid of it, but watch > > out for misives from *dangerous* Doug Smiff! > > Yes I know. Gets me worried every time I think about it, are they > likley to come after me ? Looks like I need a back up plan ! You don't by any chance want to borrow a slightly used (& damp) R.O.D.S. Robot just in case? Sonique (who by the way liked the pictures but heard nothing ....) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Jun 14 11:24:06 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:24:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Nominee for this year's Darwin Awards In-Reply-To: <9606141519.aa24720@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jun 14, 96 03:19:38 pm Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > Rocker22 at aol.com writes: > > > It seems that nowadays, ANYONE can be a rocket scientist. However, according > > to this story, one's career as a rocket scientist can be somewhat short... > > Short but spectacular. The guy must have got quite a rush. I > particularly liked the part about him braking. At 350mph he might as > well have flashed the hazard lights. A guy that I know (the father of one of my friends) built a working scale model of a jet engine as an after-hours project, when he was working at Being or some such aerospace corporation. When he and his co-workers fired it up, the tail flame burned a giant hole in the wall, and the force of it tore the top off the workbench it was bolted to, and bounced it across the room, before the casing cracked open and the whole thing went up in a fireball. He claims their supervisor just looked at the wreckage the next day, said, "I don't want to know," and walked away. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM Fri Jun 14 11:27:59 1996 From: JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM (JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:27:59 -0400 Subject: OFF: Jesus Saves or does he? Message-ID: It was supposed to come out Tuesday, June 11 in the US. It got delayed 2 weeks and should be out Tuesday June 25th. This is according to my rep at Valley Records distribution. "feeling like a dead duck" From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Jun 14 07:36:03 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:36:03 +0000 Subject: OFF:Jesus Saves the Church of Hawkwind Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > > >> > >I can't > > >> > >imagine why this stuff bothers Christians so much anyway. If their > > >> > >faith is so weak that it can be shaken by some irreverence, then > > >> > >maybe they're barking up the wrong tree anyway. > > >> I don't think Christians are generally TOLERANT, never mind > > >respectful, of > the beliefs of others. They're far more interested in > >But to stereotype all (or most) Christians as thus is unfair, as I know of > >many who don't give a rat's ass WHAT anyone else does. Remember, > >the description of > >Chuck (not Christian, butAgnostic, and a little embarrassed for contributing to > > aaaaaarrrrrggghhhhhhh! > > Is there any way we can nudge this into a discussion about the > Church of Hawkwind? > > My friend Phil says it's too synthetic, he doesn't like it. I can get > it for about $7, he says don't bother... If I had a choice of Church > or Space Bandits, (which I do), which would be recommended first?both are good albums... church offers some good alternate rec's of songs which you probably already heard or have.for seven bucks,you can't go wrong. space bandits is a good rockin' disc tho'. buy them both...rj From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Jun 14 11:39:54 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:39:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind vs Space Bandits In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:57:19 -0000." <9606141257.AA16179@icarus.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: > > 1) Thank f**k we're getting back on topic - take a bow Andrew. > > 2) er....I'm afraid I don't have CoH, but Space Bandits is IMO, a good, but > > not fantastic HW album. Plenty of rock numbers, my fave being 'Out of the > >Shadows', which _almost_ sounded like Faith No More to me ! (in parts :-)) >Black Elk Speaks is...er...spoken, but cool nonetheless. The mood becomes mor >forlorn for the highly atomspheric, synthy 'Birds'. Hope this helps. I listened to SB in the car a couple of days ago and I must admit it came over better than I remembered it (perhaps it was the roadnoise ;-) Anyways, Images is a fine starter, and I've loved Black Elk Speaks since the first listen. I reckon Wings is the only filler on the album since it doesn't do a great deal for me, but then ya get Out of the Shadows which is again a decent track. The rest kind of happens without too much focus, but is pleasant nonetheless. TV Suicide has that gorgeous floaty synth sound just after the explosion that only Hawkwind seem to make (as on Blue Shift, Palace Springs-Golden Void) which occasionally makes me want to stomp on my guitar, buy an expensive synth and learn to play keyboards instead. I'm sure my neighbours would agree ;-) I haven't got CoH but from the descriptions here, I'd probably really enjoy it. Tim ObCD: Sepultura - _Chaos A.D._ From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Fri Jun 14 09:03:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:03:00 -0400 Subject: Space Bandits (was Re: Jesus Saves the Church of Hawkwind) Message-ID: >From: Frank Weil >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Space Bandits (was Re: Jesus Saves the Church of Hawkwind) >Date: Friday, June 14, 1996 10:55AM > >Guido Vacano wrote: >> Andrew says-- >> > My friend Phil says it's too synthetic, he doesn't like it. I can get >> > it for about $7, he says don't bother... If I had a choice of Church >> > or Space Bandits, (which I do), which would be recommended first? >> >> CoH is definitely one of my favorites. I think the term "synthetic" is >> unfair, since it implies a lack of feeling in the music. But practically >> all of the songs, IMHO, pack a unique emotional punch. It does have >> synthesizers and samples, etc, but that, of course, does not mean it >> isn't good stuff. >> >> Space Bandits might be more accessible though. > >While I think CoH is OK, it never really grabbed me. Space Bandits, >on the other hand, I think is a very underrated album. It has several >different feelings to it, unlike the albums of many of today's groups >where you can hardly distinguish one song from another. > >The first four songs on SB are especially good, IMHO. The part of >Black Elk Speaks where the old Native American recites the traditional >prayer is very cool. BTW, that prayer, in a slightly different form, >is in the book "Black Elk Speaks" which I am reading now. Interesting >reading if you like that sort of thing. > >Frank >ObCD: Monster Magnet - Dopes to Infinity >ObNextUp: Michael Moorcock & The Deep Fix - New World's Fair > > -- >======================================================================== ====== >Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 > >We are not disorganized. We just have a kind of organization that >transcends understanding. -- Jacques Barzaghi I would agree that Space Bandits is more accessable but unfortunately it starts to peter out towards the end. CoH has one of my favorite tracks 'Fall of Earth City' on it though. Poetry harking back to the days of Calvert. By the way, any State side dwellers interested in trading some HW vids or tapes? Please drop me a line by privat e-mail Chris > From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jun 14 12:02:41 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:02:41 +0200 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: Okay you all, I've just made my first HW buy. But first, let me tell you a little story :-) So I left home about 4 hours ago, with my mind set on finding and purchasing the HW "Levitation" album. I visited the 5 most important record shops in town (if *they* don't carry HW, no one does !). One had never even heard of them (!) ; another didn't have any of their albums in stock but could order just about anyone I wanted ; one had only 3 albums, in vinyl only ; and the other two shops had many of the recent remasters. As for "Levitation", only one shop had it, but the one carrying vinyl ! (Who said it was easy to find ???). In frustration, I walked to the local library where they have a lot of albums you can listen to. I hadn't thought of that earlier. And sure enough, they had "Levitation". So I gave it a listen. Only side A (they also had this one in vinyl). So what do I think ? Well... pretty good. I wasn't amazed, but I liked it. To reassure you fans, I didn't really find the songs bland (though one of them, the first I think, did sound a bit repetitive on some sections). In fact, I even rather liked the long instrumental at the end of side A. I had closed my eyes while listening to it and - lo and behold - the magic operated : I was *there* - floating among the stars. Heck ! you don't need to take drugs to space out with a piece like that one ! *LOL* That song was really cool and I thought that yeah, I could buy it. But that vinyl was rather expensive. So I went back to one of the other shops which had CDs and found several of them at the same (the lowest available) price as that vinyl (but with better sound quality, obviously !). No "Levitation" in sight, though, but one album did catch my eye. First, because of its cover, second because of its title, and third because of the story it told : "The Chronicle of the Black Sword". I liked the books, and I love BOC's "Black blade". I don't like Elric's face on the cover, but the rest of the artwork is magnificent, and not only on the outside, the inner sleeve is also great. Anyway, I did hesitate a while because (if I recall correctly) no one had recommended this one to me, but the more I thought about it and the more I felt like buying it. It was what you could call a gut feeling. And... well, I bought "Imaginos" following a gut feeling - and I still haven't completely recovered from that discovery ! *laughs* So I thought what the heck, let's go for it... So I bought it and I'm listening to it right now, even as I type... What can I say ? Well, for the moment I like it. A lot. Even more than the little I've heard from "Levitation". Weird though when you're used to seeing Elric in music through "Black blade". Oooooohhh... A new song has just started and it gives me shivers up my spine... Wait... "Zarozinia" is the title ! Wow, that one's struck something in me there... Anyway, I digress (ohboyohboyohboy... I like this... :-) So I guess, once again, I've done good to follow my gut *smile* Well, it's not as strong as "Imaginos", IMHO (which remains my favorite BOC album - regardless whether it is or not a real BOC album), but who knows ? I feel that after a few listens this could grow to become quite a favorite...we'll see... and I'll definitely look into some more HW stuff in the (not too far) future... Thanks folks ! Alex S. Garcia. P.S. One question : why is there a song called "Needle gun" ? I don't recall reading about a needle gun (or any kind of gun, for that matter) anywhere in Elric's Cycle... is my memory failing me ? :-( --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri Jun 14 13:15:12 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:15:12 +0000 Subject: HW: New pictures [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] Message-ID: Assassin_Soniqu? wrote: > > On 14 Jun 96 Andy Cobley wrote about Re: HW: New pictures: > > > > use the sample didn't you? I'm not saying get rid of it, but watch > > > out for misives from *dangerous* Doug Smiff! > > > > Yes I know. Gets me worried every time I think about it, are they > > likley to come after me ? Looks like I need a back up plan ! > > You don't by any chance want to borrow a slightly used (& damp) > R.O.D.S. Robot just in case? I'm missing something here, Iv'e not long joined the list R.O.D.S Robot ? > Sonique (who by the way liked the pictures but heard nothing ....) Do you have a Javatised Netscape ? what browser are you using and what computer platform ? Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From stayer at PI.NET Wed Jun 12 03:29:04 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 00:29:04 PDT Subject: HW: Dutch gigs Message-ID: Bernhard. >>Bernhard, do you know the venue HW were supposed to be playing? >on 28.06.1996 they should play in UTRECHT or ARNHEM Well, Utrecht is really cancelled. I'll try and find some other venues in Arnhem. Dutch VVV (ticket agencies) only know of Amsterdam and Tilburg, so it doesn't look good. >>So, the only confirmed gigs are Amsterdam - Paradiso and Tilburg - >>Noorderligt. >Only 2 gigs in Holland now? Can't believe it There's usually more? Jerry From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Jun 14 11:25:27 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:25:27 -0400 Subject: Aqualung? In-Reply-To: <960614112758_556241962@emout07.mail.aol.com> from "JEFFRIEDLE@AOL.COM" at Jun 14, 96 11:27:59 am Message-ID: Hello-- > It was supposed to come out Tuesday, June 11 in the US. > It got delayed 2 weeks and should be out Tuesday June 25th. > This is according to my rep at Valley Records distribution. > > "feeling like a dead duck" I assume this is in reply to Paul's query re: the release date of the remastered Aqualung? Cool--It comes out the same day as King Crimson's ThrakAttak! :-) Guido -- The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The Name that can be named is not the eternal Name. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Jun 14 12:32:08 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:32:08 -0400 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: >To reassure you fans, I didn't really find the songs bland (though one of >them, the first I think, did sound a bit repetitive on some sections). In How dare you accuse Hawkwind of ever being repetitive :-) Martyn From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Fri Jun 14 12:32:24 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:32:24 -0500 Subject: [meta] email problems? Message-ID: I've been recieving email that's a few days old again--are we experiencing list difficulties again? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Jun 14 12:38:25 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:38:25 -0400 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: Alex a demande: >One question : why is there a song called "Needle gun" ? I don't recall >reading about a needle gun (or any kind of gun, for that matter) anywhere in >Elric's Cycle... is my memory failing me ? :-( This what I wrote in the "trivia" file: (see "http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/") --- Needle Gun - actually refers to Jerry Cornelius, an alternate, contemporary version of Elric. *The Final Programme*, the first Cornelius story, is a re-writing of *The Dreaming City* in modern dress, in which Jerry's needle gun fills a similar role to Elric's sword Stormbringer. --- Suggestions for your next HW buy: _Doremi Fasol Latido_ or _PXR5_. - Andy ObLP: MC5 - _Kick Out the Jams_ From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Jun 14 12:45:24 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:45:24 -0400 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation In-Reply-To: <199606141602.SAA15522@lorien.imaginet.fr> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jun 14, 96 06:02:41 pm Message-ID: Alex joins the 'dark' side..... > > Okay you all, I've just made my first HW buy. But first, let me tell you a > little story :-) > > I liked the books, and I love BOC's "Black blade". I don't like Elric's face > on the cover, Note that there are already several different covers to this CD....mine looks like original LP sleeve...lots of very dark blues and violets. Your's sounds like the most recent Griffin release. > but the rest of the artwork is magnificent, and not only on > the outside, the inner sleeve is also great. Anyway, I did hesitate a while > because (if I recall correctly) no one had recommended this one to me, Well, that's because people are afraid to have this topic resurface on boc-l. It tends to emphasise any minor dissention between list members on HW's catalogue, similar to what Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music did 20 years ago to the band. There are those who believe this was their best work, and those who think it's total rubbish. Some people think the lyrics are completely atrocious, and I believe (not paying any attention to the lyrics whatsoever), that's it's just not a particularly good album because the songs aren't very strong (I only really like Sleep of a thousand tears), although I like the 'flow' of the album, and the overall work is greater than the sum of its parts. And I think the drumming is horrible! Amateurish at best.... > What can I say ? Well, for the moment I like it. A lot. Even more than the > little I've heard from "Levitation". Well, I think Levitation is absolutely brilliant.....Motorway City is my favourite HW track, although somedays I'll answer with 'Assault & Battery/The Golden Void' from 'Warrior'. Surprised you didn't notice this one particularly. > Weird though when you're used to seeing > Elric in music through "Black blade". Oooooohhh... A new song has just > started and it gives me shivers up my spine... Wait... "Zarozinia" is the > title ! Wow, that one's struck something in me there... Anyway, I digress > (ohboyohboyohboy... I like this... :-) This is the only HW love song/ballad ever made....so it's a one of a kind song. For me, it doesn't even begin to touch the beauty of something like BOC's 'I love the Night'. Although Brock's voice seems to work much better than I would've expected. I remember hearing him sing 'Micro Man' (which I guess also has a ballad character to it, now that I think about it) in Canada last year, and being blown away about how great his voice was on that kind of track. Too bad only two gigs featured this song...... > and I'll definitely look into some more HW stuff in the (not too far) > future... Levitation still awaits you...and Quark, and Warrior, and you'll be surprised how different something like Space Ritual sounds compared to *any* of these others..... :) > P.S. > One question : why is there a song called "Needle gun" ? I don't recall > reading about a needle gun (or any kind of gun, for that matter) anywhere in > Elric's Cycle... is my memory failing me ? :-( Well, that would be Jerry Cornelius' weapon of choice...one of the other 'aspects' of the Eternal Champion that Moorcock wrote about...part of Elric in a way, but a different time and place.......see, you need to read 'books' to get the whole story, lyrics can't answer all these questions.......ha! :) Keith H. (FAA) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jun 14 14:21:05 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:21:05 EST Subject: Cult Classic, the folio Message-ID: Just picked up the music book 'Cult Classic.' Overall, from first glance, it's quite a project. It looks very accurate, though I won't know til I get it home and start working it over. It doesn't say who did the transcriptions, either. Maybe someone on the aol side can ask BD who put the book together. As a bonus, there are a few great pictures of the boys from the early 80s, I'd guess. BD is playing his Giuliano Vulcan in 2 shots, and his refinished SG in the other. Well, 'COF' solo is exactly as I've been playing it all these years. Glad to know someone else heard it that way... theo From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jun 14 13:36:27 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:36:27 +0200 Subject: OFF: Lyrics Message-ID: >one band that a lot of people can't stand,is really good at telling tales in their >lyrics. i'm talking about iron maiden,especially piece of mind.if you knnow the >words to this album,it can give you chills at times.. >rj Do you know the story behind "Piece of mind" ? It's based on Frank Herbert's famous novel "Dune", which was the original title of the song. But when the band asked the author permission to use the title, Herbert said no way, apparently he hated hard rock bands (hmm... unlike Moorcock, eh ? ;-) and didn't want Dune to be associated in any way to such a project. Iron Maiden was very disappointed of course, since they all are great fans of Herbert's, and had to change the title to "Piece of mind". I'm sure many of you already knew this story, but what the heck, eh ? *smile* Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Jun 14 13:45:25 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:45:25 -0400 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation In-Reply-To: <199606141602.SAA15522@lorien.imaginet.fr> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jun 14, 96 06:02:41 pm Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia writes: > > Okay you all, I've just made my first HW buy. But first, let me tell you a > little story :-) > So I left home about 4 hours ago, with my mind set on finding and purchasing > the HW "Levitation" album. I visited the 5 most important record shops in > town (if *they* don't carry HW, no one does !). One had never even heard of > them (!) Well, you missed the Bad Old Days of USA Hawkwind fandom, when I spent 4 years (casually, I'll admit) looking for Hawkwind records without seeing ONE. :-) The first time I ever saw a Hawkwind album was when I went to college in Boston. > So what do I think ? Well... pretty good. I wasn't amazed, but I liked it. > To reassure you fans, I didn't really find the songs bland (though one of > them, the first I think, did sound a bit repetitive on some sections). Try listening to that one with the headphones on. It has multitudes of sound layers that kind of get lost in the mix unless you have really great speakers. > fact, I even rather liked the long instrumental at the end of side A. I had > closed my eyes while listening to it and - lo and behold - the magic > operated : I was *there* - floating among the stars. Heck ! you don't need > to take drugs to space out with a piece like that one ! *LOL* That song was > really cool and I thought that yeah, I could buy it. That song would be "World of Tiers". On side 2, I find that "5th Second of Forever" has something of the same effect. > though, but one album did catch my eye. First, because of its cover, second > because of its title, and third because of the story it told : "The > Chronicle of the Black Sword". [...] > What can I say ? Well, for the moment I like it. A lot. Even more than the > little I've heard from "Levitation". Weird though when you're used to seeing > Elric in music through "Black blade". Oooooohhh... A new song has just > started and it gives me shivers up my spine... Wait... "Zarozinia" is the > title ! Wow, that one's struck something in me there... Anyway, I digress > (ohboyohboyohboy... I like this... :-) Well, I guess I can't claim prophetic powers, here, :-) but _Live Chronicles_ (my other recommendation to you) is the live album from the _Chronicle of of the Black Sword_ tour. It has practically all the songs from _CotBS_, plus lots of other Hawkwind classics reworked to fit the Elric story. You'll be astounded at how well it all comes together in concert. If you like _CotBS_, you'll almost certainly love _Live Chronicles_. Steve swann at panix.com From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 14 13:38:19 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:38:19 -0400 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: >I liked the books, and I love BOC's "Black blade". I don't like Elric's face >on the cover, but the rest of the artwork is magnificent, and not only on I know many people who love that artist and thing he's the best to ever do Elric. I can't recall his name right now. He did the Berkley printings of the Elric books, and is one the cover of Live Chronicles also.... I didn't like it that much at first (made Elric look feminine, almost), but I grew to like his artwork a lot. I like the interior artwork a lot. >What can I say ? Well, for the moment I like it. A lot. Even more than the >little I've heard from "Levitation". Weird though when you're used to seeing >Elric in music through "Black blade". Oooooohhh... A new song has just >started and it gives me shivers up my spine... Wait... "Zarozinia" is the I like that track a lot also. Overall I prefer the Live Chronicles album, because it has songs (Wizards of Pan Tang, Dragons & Fables, Moonglum, Rocky Paths (a lot of Huw)) not on CotBS, plus some classic Hawkwind tracks (Master of the Universe, Angels of Death, Magnu, Assault & Battery) thrown in, but there's some that are better done in the studio. Both Zarozina versions are good, but I prefer the studio version. Ditto for Needle Gun, Pulsing Cavern, Sleep of a thousand tears, etc. And one of my favorite tracks, "Elric the Enchanter part I", is eliminated completely, except for one verse spoken (though effectively) as poetry... The only way I'm really happy (though I like both a lot) is to use my tape which alternates between the two... >One question : why is there a song called "Needle gun" ? I don't recall >reading about a needle gun (or any kind of gun, for that matter) anywhere in >Elric's Cycle... is my memory failing me ? :-( Well... sort of. The Needle Gun is a trademark of Jerry Cornelius, who is another aspect of the Eternal Champion (like Hawkmoon, Corum, Erekose, Ulric, etc.) and in that sense tied to Elric. There is sort of a crossover story, "Elric at the End of Time", which isn't too popular though I liked it... More Michael Moorcock anyways. And it's a terrific song. I have a feeling they wrote this before deciding to do the whole concept album... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Jun 14 13:54:37 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:54:37 -0400 Subject: HW: Summer Solstice party in Cleveland In-Reply-To: <199606141602.SAA15522@lorien.imaginet.fr> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jun 14, 96 06:02:41 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks.... I just received a flyer in the mail from Jim Lascko up in Cleveland. He's putting together another show at the Phantasy of the same two groups that played on New Years' Eve.....ie., F/i (from Milwaukee) and Sun Machine (the Hawkwind cover band). Anyway, it's on Saturday, June 22, and is supposed to be a Summer Solstice party (a day late I guess). I wonder if they'll have a 12" replica of one of the stones... :) The lighting is being provided by "Solar Fire" or something, along with a certain 'Wizard'. I can only guess that this is Louise McAuley and Stew Orr, who are Canadian friends of mine, and some others on the list I'm guessing.... I'm not sure I'll make it to this gig, as I was planning to go camping up near the 'islands' of Lake Erie, but since this isn't too far away, I might stray east & show up....I've seen the first two Sun Machine shows, and really think they're worthy of seeing again. Keith H. (FAA) From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Jun 14 13:57:13 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:57:13 -0400 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation In-Reply-To: <960614123823_556285179@emout16.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jun 14, 96 12:38:25 pm Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > Alex a demande: > > >One question : why is there a song called "Needle gun" ? I don't recall > >reading about a needle gun (or any kind of gun, for that matter) anywhere in > >Elric's Cycle... is my memory failing me ? :-( > > This what I wrote in the "trivia" file: > (see "http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/") > > --- > Needle Gun - actually refers to Jerry Cornelius, an alternate, contemporary > version of Elric. *The Final Programme*, the first Cornelius story, is a > re-writing of *The Dreaming City* in modern dress, in which Jerry's needle > gun fills a similar role to Elric's sword Stormbringer. > --- > > Suggestions for your next HW buy: _Doremi Fasol Latido_ or _PXR5_. After the guy complains about repetetive music, you'd recommend, as his second purchase, an album that opens with 11 minutes of "Brainstorm"? This Earth Control to Space Cadet Andy, come in Andy!!! ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Jun 14 14:01:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:01:00 EDT Subject: HW: Do not Panic, we are not Boring Message-ID: I was away this week and came back to over 300 messages, the majority of these BOC-L. As I waded forth, enjoying the retelling of Steve Swann's list origin, I noticed a thread brought up by Alex Garcia about Hawkwind being boring. I can empathize as back when I started liking HW, it was only certain tunes, the rest got skipped. Now some of those skipped tunes have become my favorites. Anyway, Steve suggested _Live Chronicles_ which I highly recommend. In fact, the other less LSDed live stuff like _Live 79_ and _Do Not Panic_ are my additional suggestions. You can even find these in the cheapie bins. If you don't like HW live as displayed on these opuses, then forget them. I consider this a low probability event though. I find HW shines more live than in the studio. Then when your mood gets more electric, you may find the quirks, strangeness and charms of these once boring tracks suddenly leap out at you. I saw in the Goldmine that featured BOC that Griffin has released _Alien 4_. Rudy A HW fan that likes DD And how about that _Graceland_? From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jun 14 14:01:02 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:01:02 -0400 Subject: HW boring ?... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Troy Harris wrote: > Dealing with the Devil? A TRUE HW C&W song. I seem to remember "Dealing with the Devil" as being more of a blues song than C&W. ("Came Home" sounds like C&W to me, but maybe I am mixing them up.) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Guitar Shorty and the Otis Grand Blues Band, _My Way On The Highway_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jun 14 14:09:20 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:09:20 -0400 Subject: Jesus Saves or does he? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Troy Harris wrote: [[Excessive quoted material omitted.]] > I again concur and support. I think your keyboard is acting up again. What you meant to write was, surely, "I again needlessly quote umpteen lines of a post that everyone had read already (and no doubt ignored by this stage) and append something akin to 'me too!' in the best of Usenet traditions." Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _It Just Is_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jun 14 14:20:21 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:20:21 -0400 Subject: Cult Classic, the folio Message-ID: I picked up a copy of the 'Cult Classic' music book as well -- I really haven't played through any of it yet, but I was rather surprised that it seems to include TAB for most of Buck's leads and solos (unlike the old music books that just gave the melody, chords, and maybe basslines). But, once again, I have to ponder *WHY* do they use these old photos of the band (when the Bouchards were in BOC)?? WHY didn't they put in photos of either the current line-up, or the line-up that recorded CC? For a band that has nothing to do with Joe and Al these days, I'm amazed how many times their photos are still associated with this band. John From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jun 14 14:21:09 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:21:09 -0400 Subject: HW: A man, a plan, a canal: Panama! :-) In-Reply-To: <199606141207.IAA03554@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Andrew A. Apold linguistically noodles: > Star rats? > > Rats live on no evil star! Not too shabby. Buy hey, if you're not careful you'll start a repeat of that time Ken Alexander and I posted all those anagrams for "Blue Oyster Cult," "Hawkwind," etc. :-) (A little free time, an online dictionary, and some crummy software are a dangerous combination indeed.;) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Laibach, _Let It Be_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Fri Jun 14 11:22:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:22:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: More On Darwinism... Message-ID: OK, if you're not sick of the JATO story yet here's a bit more on it. It's snipped out of a longer article I found on the LEXIS-NEXIS service (if anyone wants to see the whole thing just let me know, there's sort of an amusing bit about Neil Armstrong, the moon and oral sex...) but on to JATOs: 1ST STORY of Level 1 printed in FULL format. Copyright 1996 The Times Mirror Company Los Angeles Times February 27, 1996, Tuesday, Home Edition SECTION: Life & Style; Part E; Page 1; View Desk LENGTH: 1293 words HEADLINE: NET FICTION; TRENDS: WHEN URBAN LEGENDS HIT THE INTERNET, LOOK OUT WORLD -- THE RESULTING 'NETMYTHS' MAY BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DEBUNK. BYLINE: By TRACY THOMPSON, THE WASHINGTON POST Debunking Netmyths isn't always easy. Some come with an impressive, if Dave Barry-ish, aura of authenticity. For example, the Darwin Award story. The Darwin Award, presented as a mordant take on real life, is supposedly given each year to the person who does the human gene pool a favor by eliminating himself in the dumbest possible way. The 1994 award supposedly went to the person responsible for the pile of smoldering metal some Arizona Highway Patrol officers found embedded in the side of a cliff in the desert, at a point where the road curved. The smoldering metal turned out to be the remains of a car. The Arizona crime lab, the story goes, figured out how it all happened: Somebody had gotten hold of a JATO, or jet-assisted takeoff unit, also known as a solid fuel rocket. This person had driven his Chevrolet Impala out into the desert, attached the JATO units to the back of his car, and fired that baby up. When he hit the curve, the crime lab estimated, he was going between 250 and PAGE 4 Los Angeles Times, February 27, 1996 300 mph, a speed at which the ordinary Chevrolet Impala becomes a little hard to steer. The Chevy's brakes were completely burned away, according to the crime lab, indicating the driver may have had second thoughts about his experiment. Too late: Car meets cliff. Yet despite the reference to the "Arizona State Patrol" and the authentic-sounding reference to JATO units, this story is not true. That's according to a spokesman for the Arizona Department of Public Safety, who should know. "We get a call on that about every 90 days," says Sgt. Dave Myers. "It keeps us on the map." From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jun 14 14:25:03 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:25:03 -0400 Subject: OFF: Lyrics Message-ID: >Do you know the story behind "Piece of mind" ? It's based on Frank Herbert's famous novel "Dune", which was the original title of the song. But when the band asked the author permission to use the title, Herbert said no way, If I remember correctly, it was the song "To Tame a Land" (on the "Piece of Mind album" - the first Iron Maiden album I bought and first Iron Maiden tour I saw) that was based on "Dune". Bruce Dickinson told the story on tour before the band played it. John Swartz (who can't quite play bass like Steve Harris of Iron Maiden, but does play a Fender Precision Bass - Steve was probably the most influential bass player to me when I first picked up the bass) From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jun 14 14:37:09 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:37:09 -0400 Subject: off: Angel of Death was Re: OFF: Duran Duran In-Reply-To: <199606140953.KAA12037@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, bart wrote: [[Various stuff on the merits of Slayer writing a song about Josef Mengele.]] > I think Tom Araya's argument would be "hey, the subject matter got us noticed > as a band and now we're extremely popular ! Thanks Josef" :-) I have heard in interview with Araya that it was producer Rick Rubin who pushed hard for the controversial lyrics, knowing that the publicity of notoriety would help sell albums. Araya was pretty up front about it. > (Besides, didn't someone here say Araya listens to soul music at home ? :-) Yes. Plus, I remember (possibly in the same interview) that they don't listen to thrash, etc. when touring, because they get more than enough of it when on stage. Actually, Araya came across as a pretty nice guy; one able to separate well his stage persona and the band and his private life. > ... and 'Reign In Blood' *is* a storming album... Can't disagree there; a masterpiece! Cheers, Paul. obCD: Prazsky Vyber, _Adieu C.A. (Live)_ PS: Is _Divine Intervention_ any good? For me, I think Slayer peaked with _Reign In Blood_, and I barely listened to their subsequent _Seasons in the Abyss_ (though I quite liked _South of Heaven_). Recommendations via private e-mail... e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jun 14 15:38:44 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:38:44 EST Subject: Cult Classic, the folio Message-ID: > I picked up a copy of the 'Cult Classic' music book as well -- I really > haven't played through any of it yet, but I was rather surprised that it > seems to include TAB for most of Buck's leads and solos (unlike the old > music books that just gave the melody, chords, and maybe basslines). > > But, once again, I have to ponder *WHY* do they use these old photos of > the band (when the Bouchards were in BOC)?? WHY didn't they put in photos > of either the current line-up, or the line-up that recorded CC? For a > band that has nothing to do with Joe and Al these days, I'm amazed how many > times their photos are still associated with this band. > > John Disrespectful both to the Bouchards and the new rhythm section. Undeniably, the guys look much cooler in the old photos, 'cause they were younger, of course, and also due to a much nicer looking set. It wouldn't do to show BOC in the crowded confines of a beer hall, I guess. Besides, it would cost MONEY to have new pictures shot, while the old stock pics are free. Calling mr. Schenk... theo From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jun 14 14:42:41 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:42:41 +0200 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: >--- >Needle Gun - actually refers to Jerry Cornelius, an alternate, contemporary >version of Elric. *The Final Programme*, the first Cornelius story, is a >re-writing of *The Dreaming City* in modern dress, in which Jerry's needle >gun fills a similar role to Elric's sword Stormbringer. >--- Thanks for clarifying this for me, Andy ! It makes a bit more sense now... though - apart from his being another incarnation of the Eternal Champion - I don't see what Jerry Cornelius has to do in Elric's story ! It's kinda weird to see the word "gun" used in a sword & sorcery background... >Suggestions for your next HW buy: _Doremi Fasol Latido_ or _PXR5_. Gotcha... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jun 14 14:42:45 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:42:45 +0200 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: Keith humours me : >> I liked the books, and I love BOC's "Black blade". I don't like Elric's face >> on the cover, > >Note that there are already several different covers to this CD....mine looks >like original LP sleeve...lots of very dark blues and violets. Your's sounds >like the most recent Griffin release. Yep. So it seems. I just checked the copyright, it reads : Made in Canada (c) Griffin Music 1994 Licensed from Hawkdiscs >> but the rest of the artwork is magnificent, and not only on >> the outside, the inner sleeve is also great. Anyway, I did hesitate a while >> because (if I recall correctly) no one had recommended this one to me, > >Well, that's because people are afraid to have this topic resurface on boc-l. >(...) >There are those who believe this was their best work, and those who think it's >total rubbish. Some people think the lyrics are completely atrocious, and I >believe (not paying any attention to the lyrics whatsoever), that's it's just >not a particularly good album because the songs aren't very strong (I only >really like Sleep of a thousand tears), although I like the 'flow' of the >album, and the overall work is greater than the sum of its parts. Hmmm... so there are more similarities between "Imaginos" and "Chronicle of the Black Sword" then one could think... I guess that must be why I had that gut feeling ;-) >I think Levitation is absolutely brilliant.....Motorway City is my >favourite HW track, although somedays I'll answer with 'Assault & Battery/The >Golden Void' from 'Warrior'. Surprised you didn't notice this one >particularly. Well, I was sitting in the library with headphones on and the librarian kept the album's sleeve, so I have no idea which songs I've listened to (all I know is that it was side A of the vinyl and that there were 4 tracks). I did take a peek at the cover before I left, but the titles were a bit too lengthy for me to remember... And as I've said, the track I liked best - among those 4 - was the last one, the instrumental. >Levitation still awaits you...and Quark, and Warrior, and you'll be surprised >how different something like Space Ritual sounds compared to *any* of these >others..... :) While we speak of "Levitation"... I'd like to buy that one, but I have this little dilemma. I sure as hell don't want to buy it on vinyl (not at *that* price anyway ! that's theft...), but that shop I mentioned which can order it for me told me about two versions. He didn't have much detail, but my guess is one (the cheapest) must be the original release while the second probably is the recent remaster. The cheapest one would cost (once converted to US dollars) around $14, while the other one is $20... So my question is : is the remaster really worth paying 6 bucks more ? >> P.S. >> One question : why is there a song called "Needle gun" ? I don't recall >> reading about a needle gun (or any kind of gun, for that matter) anywhere in >> Elric's Cycle... is my memory failing me ? :-( > >Well, that would be Jerry Cornelius' weapon of choice...one of the other >'aspects' of the Eternal Champion that Moorcock wrote about...part of Elric in >a way, but a different time and place.......see, you need to read 'books' to >get the whole story, lyrics can't answer all these questions.......ha! :) *LOL* Aaaawwwriiiight. You got me on that one ! *grin* But hey, I haven't had time yet to read ALL the Eternal Champion books (only gone through Elric's, actually)... I'm a busy man, you know ;-) Lyrics are quicker to read, though, so YOU have no excuse ! *grin* Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Jun 14 15:48:19 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:48:19 -0500 Subject: OFF:Jesus Saves the Church of Hawkwind Message-ID: On 14-JUN-1996 08:32:29.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> >> > >I can't >> >> > >imagine why this stuff bothers Christians so much anyway. >If their >> >> > >faith is so weak that it can be shaken by some irreverence, >then > >> > >maybe they're barking up the wrong tree anyway. >> >> I don't think Christians are generally TOLERANT, never mind >> >respectful, of > the beliefs of others. They're far more >interested in >But to stereotype all (or most) Christians as thus is >unfair, as I know of >many who don't give a rat's ass WHAT anyone else >does. Remember, >the description of >>Chuck (not Christian, butAgnostic, and a little embarrassed for >contributing to >aaaaaarrrrrggghhhhhhh! >Is there any way we can nudge this into a discussion about the >Church of Hawkwind? >My friend Phil says it's too synthetic, he doesn't like it. I can get >it for about $7, he says don't bother... If I had a choice of Church >or Space Bandits, (which I do), which would be recommended first? >+-------------------------------------------------------+ You must jump all over Chruch, Andrew. This is a seriously underrated album. I assume you've spotted the CD, which has three bonus tracks, making it even more worth it. Some of these tracks were made for a Brock solo album, but they all fit the HW mold just fine. It is a very experimental album, with lots of synthy pieces and what not. You can't go wrong w/"Nuclear Drive", "Phenomenon Of Luminosity", "Star Cannibal", "Light Specific Data", "Mists Of Meriden" (a brilliantly spacey ambient piece), "Some People Never Die" and "The Church". This album is really special and in a league of it's own. Of course, many people will say "nay", and it depends on your own tastes...but look at it this way -- you should get all of HW's stuff eventually, may as well go for it... :) Space Bandits, I like about half of it. "Images" is a good tune, as is "Wings", "Out Of The Shadows" is okay, "Black Elk Speaks" has a good mood to it, but the rest... Chuck >Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I >had power !" >Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being >accused >Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since >Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... >Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) `[1;37;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Jun 14 14:55:55 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:55:55 -0500 Subject: CHOOSE your future??? Message-ID: Attn: Mike Holmes or Jill... Question from Deltawave (Mike Coleman): Certain sources have listed EBS108 - "CHOOSE Your Future" (not Decide...) It is supposedly the same as Decide Y.F., but a different (aka EBS) pressing. Coleman would like to know if any of you (such as FOFP or Jill) can verify its existence. If you can, let us know. In other words it is NOT the "4 Real" or Griffin release. Thanks bunchies. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers P.S.: Coleman wants to know if you (FOFP) have scored any rare HW stuff recently. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Jun 14 15:16:10 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:16:10 -0500 Subject: Boots for Mike Message-ID: Mike Coleman is anxious to find "Damnation Alley" CD-R, and/or "Secret Tepee" CD-R and/or any other weird releases that tend to sneak upon us like that. EVERYBODY: Mike Coleman is *constantly* looking for pressings of HW LPs and CDs from small countries. Also, he is always looking for regular LPs, sealed or mint. Coleman has a *treasure chest* of things to trade. Either call Mike at (214)9916621, or fax him at (214)9917552, or just e-mail me so I can get back to him. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Jun 14 15:21:29 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:21:29 -0500 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation In-Reply-To: <9606141632.AA28327@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Martyn White wrote: > >To reassure you fans, I didn't really find the songs bland (though one of > >them, the first I think, did sound a bit repetitive on some sections). In > How dare you accuse Hawkwind of ever being repetitive :-) So are you saying that Hawkwind is sometimes repetitive? :) Anyway, yes, I agree that "Levitation, Levitation, LeviTAYtion!" does get a bit repetitive. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers P.S.: And yes, I *do* think that "Levitation" is a little bit repetitive. (I could go on, but I think you get it now. :) From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jun 14 15:26:14 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:26:14 +0200 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: >Well, you missed the Bad Old Days of USA Hawkwind fandom, when I spent >4 years (casually, I'll admit) looking for Hawkwind records without >seeing ONE. :-) The first time I ever saw a Hawkwind album was when I >went to college in Boston. Reminds me of when I started hunting out for BOC albums ! The oldest ones I had to buy in the States while on a trip there, cause I just couldn't find them anywhere here in France (and I tried in several cities, though not in Paris - where I 'm sure I would probably have found them). Well, OTOH, I must admit it took me "only" a year (maybe two) to get all the BOC albums... well, I'm still missing the 3 live ones, actually. Hmm... >> To reassure you fans, I didn't really find the songs bland (though one of >> them, the first I think, did sound a bit repetitive on some sections). > >Try listening to that one with the headphones on. It has multitudes of >sound layers that kind of get lost in the mix unless you have really >great speakers. Well, actually I *did* have headphones on since I was listening to it at the library. But the sound quality was very poor and one of the speakers in the headphone wasn't working, so I wasn't really listening to this in stereo ! *sigh* >If you like _CotBS_, you'll almost certainly love _Live Chronicles_. Safe bet. Sounds logical to me. Though I'm always a bit hesitant to buy a live album... especially when I already have the material in it in a studio album. But you say there's other stuff on it, so I might give it a try... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jun 14 15:26:11 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:26:11 +0200 Subject: OFF: Lyrics Message-ID: >>Do you know the story behind "Piece of mind" ? It's based on Frank Herbert's >famous novel "Dune", which was the original title of the song. But when the >band asked the author permission to use the title, Herbert said no way, > >If I remember correctly, it was the song "To Tame a Land" (on the "Piece of >Mind album" - the first Iron Maiden album I bought and first Iron Maiden >tour I saw) that was based on "Dune". Bruce Dickinson told the story on >tour before the band played it. Sorry, my mistake. You're right. That was "To tame a land"... but hey, I had the right album :-) (Okay, so who can tell I'm not an Iron Maiden fan ? *grin*) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jun 14 15:26:18 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:26:18 +0200 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock (was The Quest for Levitation) Message-ID: >The Needle Gun is a trademark of Jerry Cornelius, who is >another aspect of the Eternal Champion (like Hawkmoon, Corum, Erekose, >Ulric, etc.) and in that sense tied to Elric. There is sort of a crossover >story, >"Elric at the End of Time", which isn't too popular though I liked it... More >Michael Moorcock anyways. And it's a terrific song. I have a feeling they >wrote this before deciding to do the whole concept album... Yeah, I *do* remember that story... I also liked it a lot. Wasn't that in "The sailor on the seas of fate" (my favorite Elric book, BTW) ? I remember several Eternal Champions meeting (among which Hawkmoon and Corum if my memory serves me right) but I don't recall Jery Cornelius being included in the bunch... The song itself is pretty good though, I agree *smile* Hmm... I've been wondering about something else. I'm surprised Moorcock himself hasn't written these lyrics. I was expecting to find his signature on these songs. I know he did write some songs (quite a few even, I believe ?) for HW, but which ones and on which albums ? (is there a list somewhere ? is that in the Codex ? if so, I've saved it in my hard drive so I could check...) I'd like to hear those cause the stuff he wrote for BOC are among my favorite BOC tunes... and he's a damn good lyricist ! Alex S. Garcia --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jun 14 15:26:22 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:26:22 +0200 Subject: HW: Do not Panic, we are not Boring Message-ID: >I can empathize as back when I started liking HW, it was only certain tunes, >the rest got skipped. Now some of those skipped tunes have become my >favorites. Yeah, as I once said, music has its ways... After a few listens, some songs you don't like can really start to get to you. This has already happened to me often enough so that I know not to judge a song too quickly *smile* >Rudy >A HW fan that likes DD Heheh... our ranks are growing ;-) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jun 14 15:26:08 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:26:08 +0200 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: >> Suggestions for your next HW buy: _Doremi Fasol Latido_ or _PXR5_. > >After the guy complains about repetetive music, you'd recommend, as his >second purchase, an album that opens with 11 minutes of "Brainstorm"? >This Earth Control to Space Cadet Andy, come in Andy!!! ;-) *ROTFLOL* Thanks for coming to my rescue, Stephen ! :-)) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stayer at PI.NET Fri Jun 14 23:13:03 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:13:03 PDT Subject: OFF: The Liberty Bell rings out once more Message-ID: >Um.. I'd much rather watch a much more appropriate space---like the "Blue >Ribbon Campaign WWW page---but I'm sure some "kind soul" will no doubt >keep BOC-L apprised with a blow-by-blow account and obligatory editorial >commentary.... And where's that? (The page, I mean.) Thanks, Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Fri Jun 14 22:32:00 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:32:00 PDT Subject: human plagiarism? Message-ID: Theo wrote: >Ya know, Yngwie's been living in the US so long, and is such an >asshole, I've sort of come to consider him more American than Euro. >Maybe we're paying for our global sins by having become the haven for >such a piece of shit. Kind of a Marshall plan in reverse? Hm, Europe's way of paying back? Getting rid of all the ass holes! :-) Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Fri Jun 14 23:00:08 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:00:08 PDT Subject: Jesus Saves =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D5but?= who collects the interest? =?iso-8859-1?Q?=FE?= Message-ID: >>I can't >>imagine why this stuff bothers Christians so much anyway. If their >>faith is so weak that it can be shaken by some irreverence, then >>maybe they're barking up the wrong tree anyway. Alex Garcia replied: >You don't get it. It's not a matter of faith being weak, but of respect. You >should respect other people's religious beliefs and songs which "bash" on >Christianity are not *respectful* and that's what bothers Christians. But what bothers /me/, is that I can't do some bashing on some beliefs that resent mine. I laugh at the idea of one god. But when I said that in the nearness of some christians, they were ready to lynch me. Well, it spiced up the discussion a bit further, although it was a party of flames against me and no sign of any discussion showed up for the remainder of the evening. Respect? Some of my friends say they believe the way christian seem to believe, because their parent told them so. What's so respectful about that? Denying your childrens' ability to think and feel for themselves? Why should belief be taught? [ Er... to avoid confusion and useless discussion later... Faith & belief; I don't know exactly what the difference is between those two English words. Isn't faith a bit towards trust? And hasn't belief to do with confidence, being convinced it is so? Well, here's me with English being my second language... ] Nothing personal. Believe what you feel. Take care, Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Fri Jun 14 22:10:22 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:10:22 PDT Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: Manuel, >Just let me know when and I'll break out all the info I have on tour dates. >I concur with you comment that there is not enough time, but when you begin >I'll be more that happy to provide the info that I have for you and the >people on the list to see as well. If you send it, I will type in a couple of lines every time. We'll get there! :-) So, send me the list and amaze me! Thanks, Jerry From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Jun 14 15:57:09 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:57:09 -0400 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation In-Reply-To: <199606141842.UAA18086@lorien.imaginet.fr> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jun 14, 96 08:42:45 pm Message-ID: Alex decides to levitate.... > >>Levitation still awaits you... > > While we speak of "Levitation"... I'd like to buy that one, but I have this > little dilemma. I sure as hell don't want to buy it on vinyl (not at *that* > price anyway ! that's theft...), but that shop I mentioned which can order > it for me told me about two versions. He didn't have much detail, but my > guess is one (the cheapest) must be the original release while the second > probably is the recent remaster. The cheapest one would cost (once converted > to US dollars) around $14, while the other one is $20... So my question is : > is the remaster really worth paying 6 bucks more ? > OK, I don't believe that the second issue was remastered...I could be wrong. The only things I've noticed that are different between the original UK CD, and the more recent Griffin release is: 1) The Griffin back cover has a live photo of the band, instead of the original back sleeve artwork. 2) The track 'Nuclear Toy' was added as a bonus track to the Griffin release. (This was recorded during the Levitation sessions, and 'belongs' here more than anywhere else, although it doesn't seem to fit the style of the album I don't think. I also remember that there was a different version of Nuclear Toy that appeared on a 'Weird' tape a few years before....I guess this version was *very* different to the Levitation version.) Anyway, I should think the Griffin version should be cheaper & more easily found in the US, and I would say it's preferable also because of the extra track. I should think that $20 is too much to pay for anything that is domestically available....assuming you're in the US that is.... Keith H. (FAA) From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Fri Jun 14 16:07:37 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:07:37 -0500 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock (was The Quest for Levitation) In-Reply-To: <199606141926.VAA18668@lorien.imaginet.fr> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > There is sort of a crossover > >story, > >"Elric at the End of Time", which isn't too popular though I liked it... That one actually is Elric crossed with the Dancers at the End of Time. Jerrry Cornelius doesn't appear in it (unless I'm just really remembering this story wrong). > Yeah, I *do* remember that story... I also liked it a lot. Wasn't that in > "The sailor on the seas of fate" (my favorite Elric book, BTW) ? I remember > several Eternal Champions meeting (among which Hawkmoon and Corum if my > memory serves me right) but I don't recall Jery Cornelius being included in > the bunch... No, the only times that I recall Elric and JC meeting were in the party lists from the later Cornelius books. JC also gets a passing mention in the first (first two??) Erekose books, _The Eternal Champion_ and _Phoenix in Obsidian_ (aka _The Silver Warriors_). "Needle Gun" for me always stuck out like a sore thumb, the way that "Kings of Speed" does on Warrior: they're both good songs, but way off-theme for the lps... > Hmm... I've been wondering about something else. I'm surprised Moorcock > himself hasn't written these lyrics. I was expecting to find his signature > on these songs. I know he did write some songs (quite a few even, I believe > ?) for HW, but which ones and on which albums ? (is there a list somewhere ? > is that in the Codex ? if so, I've saved it in my hard drive so I could > check...) I'd like to hear those cause the stuff he wrote for BOC are among > my favorite BOC tunes... and he's a damn good lyricist ! The funny thing is, he doesn't consider himself a good poet: he ranks lyrics and his various Wheldrake short poems as fakes--not real poems. I think some are rather good, though much of the printed poems are better than the material he did for HW and BOC. Hadn't we talked about doing an MM poetry book at some point (Jill??)? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Fri Jun 14 16:10:19 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:10:19 -0500 Subject: HW: Update: US Covers Message-ID: Hi all, Cover set production continues this week. I mailed out sets to Karl Hiller, Doug Bates, John McIntyre, Randy Abeck, and Keith Henderson on Monday 6/10. Today I mailed to Mike McCollum, Jeff Riedle, Jerry Guizar, Ron Jennings, and Chris Boxley. More to follow on Monday if all goes well over the weekend. Do please let me know when you recieve the sets (Karl already mentioned it to me). They were all going priority mail, so you should have them/be getting them soon. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jun 14 16:12:53 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:12:53 -0400 Subject: OFF: The Liberty Bell rings out once more In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Jerry wrote: > >Um.. I'd much rather watch a much more appropriate space---like the "Blue > >Ribbon Campaign WWW page---but I'm sure some "kind soul" will no doubt > >keep BOC-L apprised with a blow-by-blow account and obligatory editorial > >commentary.... > > And where's that? (The page, I mean.) Just browse any WWW page and follow a couple of links. In no time at all you will undoubtedly come across one of those "Blue Ribbon" icons on one of them. (They are a very fashionable addition to any WWW page right now.) It looks like the red "AIDS Awareness" ribbon, except it's blue---unless you are using a monochrome monitor, in which case it is a different shade of grey. :-) Most of them appear to be clickable, so just click on one and you are there... [Translation: I don't know the URL offhand... ;-)] Cheers, Paul. obCD: Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy, _Hipocrisy is the Greatest Luxury_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "I ain't no fucking queer." --- Unknown guy on "Dance Contest", _Tinsel Town Rebellion_ by FZ From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Jun 14 16:19:51 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:19:51 -0400 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: In a message dated 14/06/96 19:32:28, you write: >>> Suggestions for your next HW buy: _Doremi Fasol Latido_ or _PXR5_. >> >>After the guy complains about repetetive music, you'd recommend, as his >>second purchase, an album that opens with 11 minutes of "Brainstorm"? >>This Earth Control to Space Cadet Andy, come in Andy!!! ;-) > >*ROTFLOL* >Thanks for coming to my rescue, Stephen ! :-)) > > Just trying to steer him towards the good stuff... - Andy From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 14 16:16:31 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:16:31 -0400 Subject: HW: A man, a plan, a canal: Panama! :-) Message-ID: >On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Andrew A. Apold linguistically noodles: > >> Star rats? >> >> Rats live on no evil star! > >Not too shabby. Buy hey, if you're not careful you'll start a repeat of I can't take credit. It featured prominently in Fritz Lieber's "Swords beneath Lankhmar", (the one with the rats), one of his best books... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 14 16:16:33 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:16:33 -0400 Subject: OFF: swords & sidearms Message-ID: >Thanks for clarifying this for me, Andy ! It makes a bit more sense now... >though - apart from his being another incarnation of the Eternal Champion - >I don't see what Jerry Cornelius has to do in Elric's story ! It's kinda >weird to see the word "gun" used in a sword & sorcery background... Oh, I dunno. One of my favorite swords & sorcery novels was "The Guns of Avalon", by Roger Zelazny... That particular track almost seems to imply a double meaning, of drugs... Elric often used drugs to supplant his strength, primarily in attempts to get rid of (his addiction to) Stormbringer, as it were... you can view it both ways, though I'd say the needle gun is definitely meant to refer to Stormbringer itself... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 14 16:16:35 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:16:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Do not Panic, we are not Boring Message-ID: >>Rudy >>A HW fan that likes DD Debbie Denise? One of the worst BOC songs? Oh, Duran Duran. Nevermind. (Count me in the ranks, though...) +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 14 16:16:38 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:16:38 -0400 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock (was The Quest for Levitation) Message-ID: >>"Elric at the End of Time", which isn't too popular though I liked it... More >Yeah, I *do* remember that story... I also liked it a lot. Wasn't that in >"The sailor on the seas of fate" (my favorite Elric book, BTW) ? I remember >several Eternal Champions meeting (among which Hawkmoon and Corum if my >memory serves me right) but I don't recall Jery Cornelius being included in >the bunch... The song itself is pretty good though, I agree *smile* No, it was a book set outside the normal Elric saga, and contained the title story (more of a novella, really), "The Last Enchantment", (another Elric story), both set at different times in Elric's career. It also contained some of MM's early work (I mean like when he was 15), Sojan Shieldbearer, very pulp... Elric twice met other incarnations (in EatEoT, though in Jerry's universe they didn't meet), once in Sailor on the Seas of Fate, when he, Corum, Erekose, and Hawkmoon united to defeat some alien sorcerers, and later in The Vanishing Tower, he, Erekose, and Corum (this was earlier for Corum, later for Elric) worked to take over a tower... >Hmm... I've been wondering about something else. I'm surprised Moorcock >himself hasn't written these lyrics. I was expecting to find his signature >on these songs. I know he did write some songs (quite a few even, I believe >?) for HW, but which ones and on which albums ? (is there a list somewhere ? On Live Chronicles, there are several poems/songs that were written by him, and it's him on many of them doing the pieces. "Narration", "Dragon Song", "Dead God's Homecoming", some others to. He did stuff with them earlier on Warrior at the Edge of Time, with "The Wizard Blew His Nose" (um, "Horn", sorry), several other pieces that were more poetry with (IMHO) repetetive music in the background. He co-wrote "Kings of Speed", which I like a lot, and is a song, not poetry... He collaborated with them on two prior albums, though another post already sent should cover those since I can't recall which... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Jun 14 13:48:29 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:48:29 +0000 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: I remember hearing him sing 'Micro Man' (which I guess also > has a ballad character to it, now that I think about it) in Canada last year, > and being blown away about how great his voice was on that kind of track. Too > bad only two gigs featured this song......i missed those gigs, but did get to see them do most of it during the sound check at toad's place in new haven ct. i thought it was pretty incredible, too. it's funny- alot of people think brock can't sing , including brock(i think), but i can't think of anyone's voice i'd rather hear. rj From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Jun 14 17:49:25 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:49:25 -0400 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation In-Reply-To: <199606141842.UAA18086@lorien.imaginet.fr> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jun 14, 96 08:42:45 pm Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia writes: > > While we speak of "Levitation"... I'd like to buy that one, but I have this > little dilemma. I sure as hell don't want to buy it on vinyl (not at *that* > price anyway ! that's theft...), but that shop I mentioned which can order > it for me told me about two versions. He didn't have much detail, but my > guess is one (the cheapest) must be the original release while the second > probably is the recent remaster. The cheapest one would cost (once converted > to US dollars) around $14, while the other one is $20... So my question is : > is the remaster really worth paying 6 bucks more ? I don't know *why* one is more expensive, but it's not because one of them is a remaster. _Levitation_ was one of the very first digitally recorded albums. It should never need to be remastered - you should just get the CD. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Jun 14 17:54:32 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:54:32 -0400 Subject: OFF: The Liberty Bell rings out once more In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jun 14, 96 04:12:53 pm Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Jerry wrote: > > > >Um.. I'd much rather watch a much more appropriate space---like the "Blue > > >Ribbon Campaign WWW page---but I'm sure some "kind soul" will no doubt > > >keep BOC-L apprised with a blow-by-blow account and obligatory editorial > > >commentary.... > > > > And where's that? (The page, I mean.) > [...] > > [Translation: I don't know the URL offhand... ;-)] www.eff.org It's the home of the Electronic Freedom Foundation. Steve swann at panix.com From mlooney at IONET.NET Fri Jun 14 17:06:48 1996 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:06:48 -0400 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: At 06:02 PM 6/14/96 +0200, you wrote: > >P.S. >One question : why is there a song called "Needle gun" ? I don't recall >reading about a needle gun (or any kind of gun, for that matter) anywhere in >Elric's Cycle... is my memory failing me ? :-( No I don't recall a needle gun in the ECC either. And that song really dosn't "fit" with the rest of the CD either, IMHO. Mike "That was my first HW CD also" Looney From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Jun 14 17:59:43 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:59:43 -0400 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation In-Reply-To: <960614161951_556424382@emout19.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jun 14, 96 04:19:51 pm Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > In a message dated 14/06/96 19:32:28, you write: > > >>> Suggestions for your next HW buy: _Doremi Fasol Latido_ or _PXR5_. > >> > >>After the guy complains about repetetive music, you'd recommend, as his > >>second purchase, an album that opens with 11 minutes of "Brainstorm"? > >>This Earth Control to Space Cadet Andy, come in Andy!!! ;-) > > > >*ROTFLOL* > >Thanks for coming to my rescue, Stephen ! :-)) > > Just trying to steer him towards the good stuff... Yes, well. Please allow the man to get his toes wet before holding him under for 45 minutes. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Jun 14 14:01:27 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:01:27 +0000 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: > > I know many people who love that artist and thing he's the best to ever > do Elric. I can't recall his name right now. He did the Berkley printings > of the Elric books, and is one the cover of Live Chronicles also.... I didn't > like it that much at first (made Elric look feminine, almost), but I grew to > like his artwork a lot. <<<<<<<<<<... uh, i don't know if i am allowed to do this, but... his name is rob't. gould, and i have the complete set of signed lithographs,in absolutely mint condition,never displayed, for sale or trade. i am not after getting a lot for them, they are still available from griffin,i think,at 130 dollars for the set. i will trade the set for any two emi remasters or 50 dollars.if not in the u.s., 60 dollars, sorry. the only one i don't have is "the revenge of the rose", which is not really part of the set,but an addendum. i apologize to all un-interested parties, and if anyone is interested, e-mail me direct. note: i will be in another world from jun19-jun30. rj From mlooney at IONET.NET Fri Jun 14 17:11:50 1996 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:11:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Do not Panic, we are not Boring Message-ID: At 04:16 PM 6/14/96 -0400, you wrote: >>>Rudy >>>A HW fan that likes DD > >Debbie Denise? One of the worst BOC songs? > I happen to think Debbie Denise is a FINE song. Then again, I lost a girl friend to assuming that she would always be there so I tend to think of that song as one of my warning songs about relationships, to remind me that I should not just assume that some one dosn't have a life beyond waiting on me to show up. ( Did that make sense? I just re-read it and I am not sure...) From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Jun 14 14:08:06 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:08:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lyrics Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > > >Do you know the story behind "Piece of mind" ? It's based on Frank Herbert's > famous novel "Dune", which was the original title of the song. But when the > band asked the author permission to use the title, Herbert said no way, > > If I remember correctly, it was the song "To Tame a Land" (on the "Piece of > Mind album" - the first Iron Maiden album I bought and first Iron Maiden > tour I saw) that was based on "Dune". Bruce Dickinson told the story on > tour before the band played it. > > John Swartz (who can't quite play bass like Steve Harris of Iron Maiden, but > does play a Fender Precision Bass - Steve was probably the most influential > bass player to me when I first picked up the bass)yeah that tune kicked butt.it should have been used in the movie. i think it did the story more justice than the movie did, anyway! rj From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Jun 14 14:12:13 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:12:13 +0000 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: that shop I mentioned which can order > it for me told me about two versions. He didn't have much detail, but my > guess is one (the cheapest) must be the original release while the second > probably is the recent remaster. The cheapest one would cost (once converted > to US dollars) around $14, while the other one is $20... So my question is : > is the remaster really worth paying 6 bucks more ?<<<< from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jun 14, 96 09:26:14 pm Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia writes: > > Reminds me of when I started hunting out for BOC albums ! The oldest ones I > had to buy in the States while on a trip there, cause I just couldn't find > them anywhere here in France (and I tried in several cities, though not in > Paris - where I 'm sure I would probably have found them). Well, OTOH, I > must admit it took me "only" a year (maybe two) to get all the BOC albums... > well, I'm still missing the 3 live ones, actually. Hmm... I'm tempted to say, "Don't bother - BOC was never much a of a live band anyway," just to see how much a shit-storm I could brew up. But even I'm not that crazy. ;-) Nor, for that matter would I lie, just for the pleasure of watching this list burst at the seams. :-) Anyway, you really should get yourself a copy of either _On Your Feet_, or _Some Enchanted Evening_. This is foundation-stone material we're talking about, here. I can't really recommend one over the other. _On Your Feet_ has more of the really great old tunes, but _Some Enchanted Evening_ has the most fabulous rendition of "Astronomy"... > >Try listening to that one with the headphones on. It has multitudes of > >sound layers that kind of get lost in the mix unless you have really > >great speakers. > > Well, actually I *did* have headphones on since I was listening to it at the > library. But the sound quality was very poor and one of the speakers in the > headphone wasn't working, so I wasn't really listening to this in stereo ! > *sigh* You weren't even listening to it in stereo? Then, I'm afraid to say, you haven't even heard the album. Whatever people might say about _Levitation_ (it's not a great favorite amongst Hawkfans because it's probably their most "mainstream" rock album), the fact is that it has the best production values, and the most delicately textured sound of any album they ever did. They must have actually had a budget on that one. :-) > >If you like _CotBS_, you'll almost certainly love _Live Chronicles_. > > Safe bet. Sounds logical to me. Though I'm always a bit hesitant to buy a > live album... especially when I already have the material in it in a studio > album. But you say there's other stuff on it, so I might give it a try... Don't let that part about "already having some of the material" detract you. _Live Chronicles_ is an *epic* live album - it's much, MUCH more than what you hear on _Chronicle of the Black Sword_. You can thank me later. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Jun 14 14:24:15 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:24:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock (was The Quest for Levitation) Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: > Yeah, I *do* remember that story... I also liked it a lot. Wasn't that in > "The sailor on the seas of fate" (my favorite Elric book, BTW) ? I remember > several Eternal Champions meeting (among which Hawkmoon and Corum if my > memory serves me right) but I don't recall Jery Cornelius being included in > the bunch... The song itself is pretty good though, I agree *smile* elric at the end of time was a story unto itself,and was written out of sync with the rest of it.it somehow (imo) lacked the creepy despairing quality of the rest of the novels.it seemed to fit in well with fortress of the pearl to me. here's one: on "warrior on the edge of time". the song "standing on the edge",is credited to powell,house,and brock.moorcock later used the lyrics, word for word, in his novel the "dragon in the sword".(i think that was what it was called).i had thought he had allowed hw to use his lyrics until i checked all the dates.(the book was copyrighted early eighties,the album 1975.) rj From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Jun 14 14:33:20 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:33:20 +0000 Subject: HW: A man, a plan, a canal: Panama! :-) Message-ID: > > > >Not too shabby. Buy hey, if you're not careful you'll start a repeat of > > I can't take credit. It featured prominently in Fritz Lieber's "Swords > beneath Lankhmar", (the one with the rats), one of his best books...andy!!! did you raid my adolescent library???? it seems that every book you mention has figgured prominently on my sheves,and still do! just an observationn... rj From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jun 14 18:43:31 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:43:31 +0200 Subject: Jesus Saves (final word please !!!) Message-ID: >>It's not a matter of faith being weak, but of respect. You >>should respect other people's religious beliefs and songs which "bash" on >>Christianity are not *respectful* and that's what bothers Christians. > >But what bothers /me/, is that I can't do some bashing on some beliefs that >resent mine. I laugh at the idea of one god. I doon't resent your beliefs. You are entitled to believe in whatever you wish, and I respect that, and that's why I also demand respect for my own beliefs. What I do not appreciate in your words though is the use of the word "laugh" which clearly shows that you are mocking (meaning showing lack of respect toward) other people's religion. And the word "bashing" which is a show of not only lak of respect, but also of violence and agressiveness... which, in turn, means hatred. Now why would you hate religion so much that you would go to the trouble of bashing and mocking it ? If you don't like it - it is your right - then just don't bother about it. Many of you say that Christians try to impose their beliefs on you, and though that is not correct - as I've shown in a previous mail - the mere fact of "bashing" is producing the same result : the illusion that you are trying to force Christians out of their religion. Why don't you just take care of your own beliefs and leave others alone with theirs, eh ? >Nothing personal. Believe what you feel. Yeah, sure, now you sound like you're respectful of us, but that's not how you sounded in the rest of your mail... do they call you Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde ? Anyway, I won't go any further into this, though there would still be a lot to say in answer to Jerry's post, but this is nor the right place nor the right time... So let's drop this thread already, as I though we had all agreed to do ? Alex S. 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Garcia) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:43:40 +0200 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: Keith describes : >OK, I don't believe that the second issue was remastered...I could be wrong. >The only things I've noticed that are different between the original UK CD, and >the more recent Griffin release is: > >1) The Griffin back cover has a live photo of the band, instead of the >original back sleeve artwork. >2) The track 'Nuclear Toy' was added as a bonus track to the Griffin release. >(This was recorded during the Levitation sessions, and 'belongs' here more than >anywhere else, although it doesn't seem to fit the style of the album I don't >think. I also remember that there was a different version of Nuclear Toy that >appeared on a 'Weird' tape a few years before....I guess this version was >*very* different to the Levitation version.) > >Anyway, I should think the Griffin version should be cheaper & more easily >found in the US, and I would say it's preferable also because of the extra >track. > >I should think that $20 is too much to pay for anything that is domestically >available....assuming you're in the US that is.... Oh... I guess I forgot to mention. I live in France. And actually, $20 is what a new CD release usually costs (aproximately). Life is much more expensive here then in the States ! Though in this case I must admit it's a rather interesting price since both albums would be coming in as imports. That's rather "cheap" for imports... BTW, the guy at that shop told me you couldn't find HW on tape, is that true ? I'm not really a CD fan (though I do appreciate the sound quality, of course) and - as you've seen - they *are* expensive, so I usually like buying tapes better. But couldn't find any HW tapes anywhere... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Jun 14 18:20:36 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:20:36 -0400 Subject: Jesus Saves (final word please !!!) In-Reply-To: <199606142243.AAA21549@lorien.imaginet.fr> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jun 15, 96 00:43:31 am Message-ID: ALLRIGHT ALREADY!!! I give up! Christianity is wonderful, Christians are wonderful, I respect all you Christians more than my favorite high school science teacher or Kary Mullis, and I'm going to LET the pimply faced moron from Victory Baptist Church who showed up on my doorstep last night SELL me on Jesus! I'll replace the Darwin fish on my car with a real Jesus Fan Club Fish! I'll police what few thoughts I might have (as a Born Again Jesus Nut (TM)), and I'll spend the rest of my days as a check mailing nincompoop doing my part to keep Oral Roberts on earth! Now CAN WE PLEASE KILL THIS STUPID F**KING THREAD!?! Ahem . . . I think I'd really be pissed right now, but I'm at home, drinking a cold beer, eating the wonderful Biryani rice my wife made, listening to Palace Springs. What a great album! I mean, it not only has great live versions of Golden Void and Time We Left This World Today, but it's got one of my all time favorite live Hawkwind songs, namely, Treadmill (the other one is Moonglum, off of Live Chronicles). I really want to get the remastered Doremi. Where's the best deal? :-) Guido P.S.--Anyone who wants to tell me I'm "goin' da Hell", or who wants to personally roast me in flames, PLEASE REPLY TO ME DIRECTLY!!!!! -- The nameless is the beginning of heaven and earth The named is the mother of ten thousand things From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jun 14 19:33:55 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:33:55 +0200 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: >you really should get yourself a copy of either _On Your >Feet_, or _Some Enchanted Evening_. This is foundation-stone material >we're talking about, here. *laughing* Don't worry, I mean to buy all three of them anyway. 1) for collecting purposes but also 2) because there are some songs you can't find anywhere else on each of those three... About "Levitation" : >You weren't even listening to it in stereo? Then, I'm afraid to say, >you haven't even heard the album. I'm aware of that :-( >Whatever people might say about >_Levitation_ (it's not a great favorite amongst Hawkfans because it's >probably their most "mainstream" rock album), the fact is that it has >the best production values, and the most delicately textured sound of >any album they ever did. They must have actually had a budget >on that one. :-) Yeah, and I shiver just at the thought... If a mono rendition of "World of Tiers" (if that is indeed its title) managed to project me into space, I don't even dare imagine what will happen when I listen to it in stereo ! *LOL* >> >If you like _CotBS_, you'll almost certainly love _Live Chronicles_. >> >> Safe bet. Sounds logical to me. Though I'm always a bit hesitant to buy a >> live album... especially when I already have the material in it in a studio >> album. But you say there's other stuff on it, so I might give it a try... > >Don't let that part about "already having some of the material" >detract you. _Live Chronicles_ is an *epic* live album - it's much, >MUCH more than what you hear on _Chronicle of the Black Sword_. > >You can thank me later. ;-) Okay. Though I'm not sure that'll be an easy one to find here in France... Haven't seen it at all while I was on my Quest for Levitation today *grin* Alex S. 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It's kinda >>weird to see the word "gun" used in a sword & sorcery background... > >Oh, I dunno. One of my favorite swords & sorcery novels was "The Guns of >Avalon", by Roger Zelazny... Oh, I'm a huge Zelazny fan myself (he's my favorite writer), and I love his Amber series... I guess what I meant is that the world created by Moorcock for the Elric stories was very much heroic-fantasy oriented and without any scientific stuff in it, so that's why I find the gun reference kind of strange. >That particular track almost seems to imply a double meaning, of drugs... > >Elric often used drugs to supplant his strength, primarily in attempts to get >rid of (his addiction to) Stormbringer, as it were... you can view it both >ways, >though I'd say the needle gun is definitely meant to refer to Stormbringer >itself... Yeah, that's what I figured when someone posted earlier that the needle gun was Jerry Cornelius' equivalent of Stormbringer. Probably some kind of symbol... *smile* Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Jun 14 20:21:21 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:21:21 -0400 Subject: HW: Summer Solstice party in Cleveland Message-ID: > >Hi Folks.... > >I just received a flyer in the mail from Jim Lascko up in Cleveland. He's >putting together another show at the Phantasy of the same two groups that >played on New Years' Eve.....ie., F/i (from Milwaukee) and Sun Machine (the >Hawkwind cover band). > >Anyway, it's on Saturday, June 22, and is supposed to be a Summer Solstice >party (a day late I guess). I wonder if they'll have a 12" replica of one of >the stones... :) > Hello Hawkfriends, Just to let you all know if you're going, I will be there with my Nethawks T-shirt, so say hello. See you there! Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Jun 14 20:35:01 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:35:01 -0400 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: Alex: >>Don't let that part about "already having some of the material" >>detract you. _Live Chronicles_ is an *epic* live album - it's much, >>MUCH more than what you hear on _Chronicle of the Black Sword_. >> >>You can thank me later. ;-) > >Okay. Though I'm not sure that'll be an easy one to find here in France... >Haven't seen it at all while I was on my Quest for Levitation today *grin* E-mail with your street address and I'll post you my copy _tout gratuit_. (Bien que Steve soit fana de cet album, c'est pas un de mes favoris...) - Andy From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Jun 14 20:52:04 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:52:04 -0400 Subject: test Message-ID: Yep, 'tis a test :-) From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Jun 14 18:31:54 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:31:54 +0000 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > BTW, the guy at that shop told me you couldn't find HW on tape, is > that true ? you may not be able to find them where you are. i have the following hw albums on cassette- spacebandits,live chronicles,repeat performance. a friend has an original issue space ritual. >I'm not really a CD fan.they do not wear out like a tape, and are not easily damaged like vinyl. also,try skipping to a favorite track,or playing the album in random order with a cassette. until they come out with thumbnail sized music chips or crystals,cd's are it.i know that a lot of people still swear by vinyl,but i do not happen to be one of them. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jun 14 22:40:56 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:40:56 -0400 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation In-Reply-To: <199606142243.AAA21555@lorien.imaginet.fr> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > Oh... I guess I forgot to mention. I live in France. And actually, $20 is > what a new CD release usually costs (aproximately). Life is much more > expensive here then in the States ! Though in this case I must admit it's a > rather interesting price since both albums would be coming in as imports. > That's rather "cheap" for imports... Apart from the US domestic release on Griffin, there is also a UK release by Castle Communications (or has it been deleted?). Do EEC releases count as "imports?" (I seem to recall they did when I lived in the UK, but things might be different now.) Anyway, it sounds like the $14 version is probably the Castle one. This doesn't have the extra track the Griffin release sports. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Screaming Trees, _Sweet Oblivion_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jun 14 22:48:51 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:48:51 -0400 Subject: Jesus Saves (final word please !!!) In-Reply-To: <9606142220.AA15544@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Guido Vacano wrote: > beer, eating the wonderful Biryani rice my wife made, listening to Palace > Springs. What a great album! I mean, it not only has great live versions of > Golden Void and Time We Left This World Today, but it's got one of my all Got to agree with "Golden Void" (that, plus the version on _Friends and Relations #?_ are my all-time favourite renditions of this track; totally blissful, transcendent versions), but I always have to suppress my gag reflex every time that version of "Time We Left" makes its unwelcome presence felt. I'd trade it any day of the week for the one from _Space Ritual, Vol. 2_ (or any other:). Its only saving grace, IMHO, is its segue into a very tasty version of "Heads." Such a pleasant feeling to hear it end like that... ;-) There's no accounting for Hawkfan tastes; a wonderful diversity, to be sure. :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _You Are What You Is_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Jun 15 04:55:35 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 10:55:35 +0200 Subject: HW: Dutch gigs Message-ID: Jerry >Well, Utrecht is really cancelled. I'll try and find some other venues in >Arnhem. Dutch VVV (ticket agencies) only know of Amsterdam and Tilburg, >so it doesn't look good. OK. I'll go to TILBURG >There's usually more? Yes! Bernhard From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sat Jun 15 07:07:39 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 07:07:39 -0400 Subject: Jesus Saves (final word please !!!) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jun 14, 96 10:48:51 pm Message-ID: Paul says-- > > On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Guido Vacano wrote: > > > beer, eating the wonderful Biryani rice my wife made, listening to Palace > > Springs. What a great album! I mean, it not only has great live versions of > > Golden Void and Time We Left This World Today, but it's got one of my all > > Got to agree with "Golden Void" (that, plus the version on _Friends and > Relations #?_ are my all-time favourite renditions of this track; totally > blissful, transcendent versions), That would be Friends and Relations #1 (the best of the lot, IMHO), which also has Robot. > but I always have to suppress my gag > reflex every time that version of "Time We Left" makes its unwelcome > presence felt. I'd trade it any day of the week for the one from _Space > Ritual, Vol. 2_ (or any other:). Its only saving grace, IMHO, is its > segue into a very tasty version of "Heads." Such a pleasant feeling to > hear it end like that... ;-) Upon reflection, I agree. While that version of TWL doesn't make me gag, there are certainly better ones. The segue is good. Do you serve a red or white wine with segue? :-) > There's no accounting for Hawkfan tastes; a wonderful diversity, to be > sure. :-) Indeed, a diversity which is wonderful, and baffling. > obCD: Frank Zappa, _You Are What You Is_ Very "ob", with Teenage Wind, Charlie's Enormous Mouth, Suicide Chump, Jumbo Go Away, and . . . others . . . (tracks 14-16) ;-) It's a shame that the CD (even the final Ryko version) is flawed, compared to the vinyl. Guido obVINYLplayer--L'oeuvre D'orgue (5) by J. S. Bach; Michel Chapuis, organ; pressed on Virgin Vinyl on the Valois label. Now if I could only find others in this series! :-P "For purists, nothing can replace the particular resonance of a debut play on new vinyl. But where the vinyl is recycled, the pressing is poor, and the hi-fi really isn't, I'll take the CDs - for now." --Robert Fripp From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Jun 15 09:15:39 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 06:15:39 -0700 Subject: HW: Summer Solstice party in Cleveland Message-ID: Spake Keith... >Hi Folks.... > >I just received a flyer in the mail from Jim Lascko up in Cleveland. He's >putting together another show at the Phantasy of the same two groups that >played on New Years' Eve.....ie., F/i (from Milwaukee) and Sun Machine (the >Hawkwind cover band). > Word from Steve Taylor has it that we should expect mainly originals from Sun Machine this time around, with the occasional HW tossed in. Should be fun! Wylie From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Jun 15 09:19:39 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 06:19:39 -0700 Subject: Stupid non-relevant and relevant questions Message-ID: You wrote: > >Hello-- > > I was wondering whether folks here could give me answers to the >following questions. > > > 2) I'd like to order some of the new EMI Hawkwind >remasters. Any suggestions? > Howz about buying them from me? :) Wylie From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Jun 15 10:07:42 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 00:07:42 +1000 Subject: Stupid non-relevant and relevant questions In-Reply-To: <199606151319.GAA09636@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: Hey, I hate to sound outdated or misinformed, but does anyone know what is happening in the area of Huw L-L? Any recent news? AND: What is this Cult Classic folio thingy, and how can I get on e in Aust? Troy "The definition of a gentleman is one who can play the bagpipes, but doesn't" From stayer at PI.NET Sat Jun 15 20:12:03 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 17:12:03 PDT Subject: BOC: BOCbase Message-ID: Hi there, I extended the BOCbase (BOCgigs part) with Bolle's tape list. The list of BOCgigs is now 320 items long. Scott, your list will be included next. Thanks. Manuel, could you send your additions, please? Thanks. I hope the list is becoming what everyone expected it to become. Jerry From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sat Jun 15 16:59:34 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 17:59:34 -0300 Subject: HW: non-US cover tapes Message-ID: The first wave is in the post, at last! The recipients will be: Commander Soren, Hawkjoe, Sonique, Mike Holmes, Jill Strobridge, Rob Stuckey and Mike Wright. I've dubbed the tapes for the second wave; if all goes well they should be in the post on Monday or Tuesday. Recipients will be: Andy Gilham, Maxine Wesley, David Jones, Paul Mitchell. Should I try to give the band's copies to the band at the gig on Friday, or just send them to Chaos Inc? I haven't received payment from: Alun Hughes, Carl Anderson, Martyn Lawrence, and Jon Browne. Either I've lost it, in which case I apologise and beseech you to send me another cheque, or you haven't sent it in the first place, in which case you need to get your bottom in gear ;-). I will be cashing those cheques that I have got (except for Mike Wright's: Mike, you contributed tapes to us, so you don't have to pay). Christian, I will do your tapes next. Anyone else who wants copies please let me know. Dave. ObCD: Barry Tuckwell playing Mozart's Horn Concerti. ObSmell: Grilled red peppers. From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Sat Jun 15 15:17:05 1996 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:17:05 GMT Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: In message ID <199606141745.NAA28789 at mindvox.phantom.com> on 14/06/96, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion L wrote: ***Well, you missed the Bad Old Days of USA Hawkwind fandom, when I spent ***4 years (casually, I'll admit) looking for Hawkwind records without ***seeing ONE. :-) The first time I ever saw a Hawkwind album was when I I went to California in '89 and did a good business in buying HW's 1st album (vynil, original US issue - UAS 5519) at a 2nd hand store for cheap prices I found Gong and Davis Allen's records (french issues) , very hard to find in France; maybe HW was not very known in the States, before they did tour in 90 ...? Recently received a syrian bootleg tape of "Master of the Universe" compilation; for about $2 you've got a chrome tape and a photo of the original cover.... - via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jun 15 14:24:48 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:24:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: topic? In-Reply-To: <9606131147.aa27734@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Dear All, I have to leave you for a little while. I neglected to check my mail yesterday, foolishly since I was already about 100K over quota. I figured I could get to it today, since they'll let you go 500K over on the Uni system I have my access through, before they cut your access. I tried to log in twice today, then, and found I couldn't. Eventually, I FTP'd out my INBOX and found that there was *448*K in it, as a result of which I had been cut off. So I have to disappear for a short while while I get my usage back under control. When I come back, could we please be talking about music? My views on religion I shall keep for private mail, yours, JAZZA || || || || II "It's a Satanic drug thing... II You wouldn't understand." II (Monster Magnet) II II II II __ =========JAZZA======== | | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk -- || || | -\ --\ \ |\ | \ | \ | | \ \____/ / \ / \______/ From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Sat Jun 15 15:57:05 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 20:57:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Jesus Saves, but does he like Space Bandits? Message-ID: You'll all be glad to hear that I'm not gonna respond on the list to the Christians. Private e-mail from now on. Okay?!!! I think it's safe to say that since both "sides" seem to consider the other to be reacting "typically", that minds have already been made up! Anyway, onto Space Bandits. This is one of my favourite HW albums, and I see it as the start of the truly magnificent period they are now in. Has there been much discussion as to Huw Lloyd Langtons contribution to the Hawks? As much as I like some of his HW songs, I can't help feeling that HW improved so much on his departure. I think he gave them too much of standard "rock" sound, particularly with his never-ending solos. Still, only my opinion! Dave From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Sat Jun 15 16:55:09 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:55:09 +0200 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: >> Oh... I guess I forgot to mention. I live in France. And actually, $20 is >> what a new CD release usually costs (aproximately). Life is much more >> expensive here then in the States ! Though in this case I must admit it's a >> rather interesting price since both albums would be coming in as imports. >> That's rather "cheap" for imports... > >Apart from the US domestic release on Griffin, there is also a UK release >by Castle Communications (or has it been deleted?). Do EEC releases count >as "imports?" (I seem to recall they did when I lived in the UK, but >things might be different now.) No, it hasn't changed - not that I know of, anyway. As long as the stuff isn't made in France it's considered an import. >Anyway, it sounds like the $14 version is >probably the Castle one. This doesn't have the extra track the Griffin >release sports. You're probably right. But then, is the extra track worth $6 ? *laughs* Oh, and maybe they've changed the inner sleeve ? Is it better looking ? with more text, added lyrics, or whatever ? Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Sat Jun 15 16:55:05 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:55:05 +0200 Subject: OFF: tapes / CDs Message-ID: >> > BTW, the guy at that shop told me you couldn't find HW on tape, is >> that true ? > >you may not be able to find them where you are. i have the following hw >albums on cassette- spacebandits,live chronicles,repeat performance. >a friend has an original issue space ritual. Good to know. But I guess they're probably not available anymore, since I can't even get them as imports. Probably could find some HW tapes in used record shops in the States, though... >>I'm not really a CD fan. > >they do not wear out like a tape, and are not easily damaged like vinyl. >also,try skipping to a favorite track,or playing the album in random >order with a cassette. I'm aware of all those things. It's just that : 1) CDs are still quite expensive (at least here in France) 2) I don't like much the format (they take up too much room, especially compared to tapes) 3) I'd have to buy all my 500+ albums all over again in CD format so to have a good looking collection (I'd hate to have half BOC records in tape and the other half in CD, I'd rather have the albums of a same artist all together) 4) And most of all (*laughs*) I'm not very well equipped to listen to CDs. I have a small CD player but it tends to heat up after 2-3 listens (it's really an old player !), and then I have my CD-ROM on my computer - but that's not the ideal, eh ? And since I can't afford to buy new hi-fi material... I stick to what I have. And that's fine with me, I like tapes. As for tapes wearing out, yeah, sure... nevertheless, there are some tapes I've had for over ten years and they're still in perfect condition. Okay, maybe I don't listen to those as often as my BOC collection for instance. Hmm... I'd do with a new copy of FOUO - *that* tape is in quite a bad shape now ! But what I like also about tapes is that they're small, they don't take up much room and you can even put one in your pocket ! And they're hard to damage. (take a CD and fold it in half, see what happens ! *grin*). >until they come out with thumbnail sized music chips or crystals,cd's >are it.i know that a lot of people still swear by vinyl,but i do not >happen to be one of them. Oh, I don't swear by vinyl - do I still appreciate to hear those cracking sounds once in a while *smile* But yeah, I'm eagerly waiting for the thumbnail sized chips. THAT would definitely be an interesting format ! Alex S. 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I listened carefully but couldn't hear all the words. 2) Seems to me that "Arioch" is in fact an instrumental, so wherever have the lyrics gone ? 3) And finally, I also noticed that "Sleep of a thousand tears" has a few lyrics at the beginning of the song, but they don't appear anywhere in the sleeve. So, anyone care to explain these mysteries ? Thanks. Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Sat Jun 15 17:19:10 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 23:19:10 +0200 Subject: OFF: Science-Fiction Message-ID: Okay all, as some of you may have noticed (from my signature) that I've put up a website called ICARUS which is meant to become a huge Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction. The goal is to one day have a complete list of ALL F & SF books ever published - with a review for each of those books. So of course, I can hardly do this all by myself. Soooooo... if there are (and I'm sure it's the case) any fantasy/sci-fi fans on this list who'd feel like writing reviews of books they've read, I'll be glad to hear from them. Remember : I'll take reviews for old books as well as more recent ones. BTW, if you check the site you might be disappointed because it is mainly in French for the moment. I am planning to translate everything to English with time, but right now there is only one page available in English. But hey, if I get some reviews from you guys, that'll help me add more English pages ;-) So if you're interested, please don't hesitate and write to me - via PRIVATE e-mail, of course... Alex S. Garcia. P.S. There will also be a music section. Movies, TV series, role playing games, etc. will also be covered since I want to talk about F&SF in all of its incarnations ! *smile* --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Jun 15 15:42:17 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:42:17 +0000 Subject: HW:space bandits- was: my belief is better than yours.... Message-ID: don't know if changing the header worked, but: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: > Anyway, onto Space Bandits. This is one of my favourite HW albums, and I > see it as the start of the truly magnificent period they are now in. > Has there been much discussion as to Huw Lloyd Langtons contribution to > the Hawks? As much as I like some of his HW songs, I can't help feeling that > HW improved so much on his departure. I think he gave them too much of > standard "rock" sound, particularly with his never-ending solos. Still, only > my opinion! > > Davei, too, love space bandits. i first encountered hw in 83 via space ritual.my first draw was moorcock's involvement.for about five years, i thought spaceritual was their only album!(some schmuck had managed to convince me that a bunch of no-talent acid heads had put out the album and disappeared.) in 1986, i met a guy in missouri(i was hitching aimlessly around the U.S.),who told me that hw had a whole slew of albums out,and that mm had big parts on some of them.without saying so,i thought he was full of shit. in 1990, i found space bandits in a mainstream record store,picked it up,fell in love. about a week later,i heard on the radio that hw was coming to town. bam! i'm there.fantastic show,but lousy time,as one of my teeth was trying valiantly to leap out of my skull! annyway- the jist of this is that space bandits might be considered responsible for my NEAR-religious dedication to the band. HOWEVER- i do not agree with your oppinion that this is a great moment in hw's history.in fact i think it borders on shameful.of course it has its good points,i still love it,but imo it just seems lazy.and while i like ron tree the person,i think it was a terrible piece of judgement that got him on the roster.i am still waiting to see some shred of talent to justify his presence. i am hoping like hell that he does not someday replace davey on bass. if that ever happens, i'm history. huw- i miss the hell out of huw. i think he sucks big-time solo, but i think hw was better for his input.i LIKE guitar leads,and brock only wants to play the machine that plays itself. damn! what am i saying?!? it sounds like i'm bashing the band! now i have got to repent! it's four turns of space ritual for me! rj From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Jun 16 00:48:16 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 00:48:16 BST Subject: Hawkwind Cymbaline In-Reply-To: Spiky Quills In The Arboretum's message of Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:37:18 GMT0BST Message-ID: Spiky Quills In The Arboretum writes: > I was curious to see the track "Cymbaline" by Pink Floyd > on the "Hawkwind" remaster CD. Any explanations? > It's taken from a tape that emerged in the EMI archives when the albums were being re-mastered. A rare example of Brock/Hawkwind doing a cover version and it's from their early daze. There are several other tapes that emerged from the same archives but since, apparently, Brock will need to go up to London and listen/ look through everything there is some uncertainty as to how soon these will eventually emerge in an official format. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Jun 15 16:04:40 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 20:04:40 +0000 Subject: HW: CotBS Lyrics Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > Speaking of lyrics... I've just noticed several things : > > 1) Some of the lyrics to "Song of the swords" and "The Sea King", though > printed in the inner sleeve, do not appear in the songs themselves. I > listened carefully but couldn't hear all the words. > ###you must have a channel out.i checked both the studio and the live albums,and all printed lyrics are intact in the recordings.there are times when the vocals are whispered as in: " {cool brain tortured}, BY NEUROTIC FEARS!" as for sea king, the problem may be that huw lloyd was a lush, and there for it often sounds as tho' he's trying to sing around a mouthful of marbles! > 2) Seems to me that "Arioch" is in fact an instrumental, so wherever have > the lyrics gone ???????????????????????? > 3) And finally, I also noticed that "Sleep of a thousand tears" has a few > lyrics at the beginning of the song, but they don't appear anywhere in the > sleeve. > the first words to this song, both written and played, are: "with your white arms wrapped around me, and locked in embraces so cold...." there is a short un-named piece before the song which is the summoning of arioch bt elric,which goes like- "arioch aid me in my time of need,???? ???? ???? my soul doth bleed, THE DUKES OF HELL! THEY COME! ARIOCH AID ME OR MY LIFE IS DONE!" > So, anyone care to explain these mysteries ? Thanks. > > Alex S. Garcia.it's not much but i hope it helps. rj From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Jun 15 16:14:52 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 20:14:52 +0000 Subject: OFF: Science-Fiction Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > Okay all, as some of you may have noticed (from my signature) that I've put > up a website called ICARUS which is meant to become a huge Encyclopedia of > Fantasy & Science-Fiction. The goal is to one day have a complete list of > ALL F & SF books ever published - with a review for each of those books. So > of course, I can hardly do this all by myself. Soooooo... if there are (and > I'm sure it's the case) any fantasy/sci-fi fans on this list who'd feel like > writing reviews of books they've read, I'll be glad to hear from them. > Remember : I'll take reviews for old books as well as more recent ones. > > BTW, if you check the site you might be disappointed because it is mainly in > French for the moment. I am planning to translate everything to English with > time, but right now there is only one page available in English. But hey, if > I get some reviews from you guys, that'll help me add more English pages ;-) > > So if you're interested, please don't hesitate and write to me - via PRIVATE > e-mail, of course... > > Alex S. Garcia. > > P.S. > There will also be a music section. Movies, TV series, role playing games, > etc. will also be covered since I want to talk about F&SF in all of its > incarnations ! *smile*DAAAAAAAAMN! that is one amazing task you have set for yourself!i'd love to help, but my literary talents have been totally crippled due to the near-constant assault of various foreign agents upon my grey matter.besides, i've read so many fantasy and sci-fi novels it all seems like one never-ending saga(i average about 2-3 novels a week). but, if i should be taken by some glimmer of inspiration (you thought i was gonna say intelligence,didn't you?), i will forward it to you. it might help if you send a list of what titles you DON'T need. rj From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Jun 16 01:20:17 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 01:20:17 BST Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock (was The Quest for Levitation) In-Reply-To: Alex S. Garcia's message of Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:26:18 +0200 Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia writes: > > Hmm... I've been wondering about something else. I'm surprised Moorcock > himself hasn't written these lyrics. I was expecting to find his signature > on these songs. I know he did write some songs (quite a few even, I believe > ?) for HW, but which ones and on which albums ? (is there a list somewhere ? > is that in the Codex ? if so, I've saved it in my hard drive so I could > check...) I'd like to hear those cause the stuff he wrote for BOC are among > my favorite BOC tunes... and he's a damn good lyricist ! > > Yeah - well you've just run up against one of the perennial Hawkwind band problems. The story is complicated and not yet fully told but I think Chronicles of the Black Sword was one of those concept albums where everyone in the band contributed. Whether everyone got their full entitled credits in the end I've no idea but certainly Moorcock had some legal/financial problems and insisted that all his appearances in the original Live Chronicles album were taken out. He's in the video but not the CD. However the later Griffin release of Live Chronicles restored him in his glory. Moorcock's appearances start very early with Hawkwind - he was there at the beginning and "Space Is Deep" is one of his poems (Doremi and Space Ritual Alive). If you look through our lyics archive, it lists most authors where we know who they are. He's also been involved in other Hawkwind tracks eg. Running Through The Backbrain (not the best) and Coded Languages (from Sonic Attack). And as a PS: I've got spare CD copies of Chronicles of the Black Sword (Dojo release) Live Chronicles 2CD (Castle Communications) and Live Chronicles 2CD Griffin re-issue (with restored MM contributions, in case anyone is interested. I've also got a Live Chronicles double vinyl spare as well. Don't ask why - I haven't got a clue how I've managed to amass all these! But if anyone wants to relieve me of them I'd be glad to trade. jill PPS - and somewhere else there's also an archive list of all the SF references that Hawkwind have put into either their lyrics or used as titles. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Jun 16 01:26:46 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 01:26:46 BST Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock (was The Quest for Levitation) In-Reply-To: Allan T Grohe Jr's message of Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:07:37 -0500 Message-ID: Allan T Grohe Jr writes: > > check...) I'd like to hear those cause the stuff he wrote for BOC are among > > my favorite BOC tunes... and he's a damn good lyricist ! > > The funny thing is, he doesn't consider himself a good poet: he ranks > lyrics and his various Wheldrake short poems as fakes--not real poems. > I think some are rather good, though much of the printed poems are better > than the material he did for HW and BOC. > > Hadn't we talked about doing an MM poetry book at some point (Jill??)? > Yes - I think we did! The question I suspect was how much we could disentangle as being definitely Moorcock from contamination by others. And is some of his stuff still only on tapes - or are all his Hawkwind contributions now officially issued? Curse of Man is his isn't it? Maybe we should just ask him direct..... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sat Jun 15 21:38:35 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 21:38:35 -0400 Subject: OFF: Kyuss In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 06/12/96 at 08:00 PM, Paul Mather said: >On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Jerry Guizar wrote: >> > I think that's rather more of an EP thing, than a proper album, >> >as such. >> >> It clocks in at 72:02 (at least my copy does). >Yeah, but the annoying thing is that the last track takes up about 35 >minutes of that 72 minute running time (potentially good), but at least >20 of those 35 minutes is silence (VERY bad). I was going to say something about it seeming to end too quickly, but when I checked the total time, I forgot all about the silence (I think it makes one of my CD players go back to the beginning again). >The actual amount of music on the CD is probably about 50 minutes, which, >I guess, qualifies it as a full-length release. I've been getting so used to listening to 60 minute plus CD's, so anything less than that sounds too short. I hate CD singles - but I still buy them :) Jerry ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Sat Jun 15 22:04:01 1996 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:04:01 -0400 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock (was The Quest for Levitation) In-Reply-To: <9606160126.aa16238@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Jun 16, 96 01:26:46 am Message-ID: > > Allan T Grohe Jr writes: > > > > check...) I'd like to hear those cause the stuff he wrote for BOC are among > > > my favorite BOC tunes... and he's a damn good lyricist ! > > > > The funny thing is, he doesn't consider himself a good poet: he ranks > > lyrics and his various Wheldrake short poems as fakes--not real poems. > > I think some are rather good, though much of the printed poems are better > > than the material he did for HW and BOC. > > > > Hadn't we talked about doing an MM poetry book at some point (Jill??)? > > > > Yes - I think we did! The question I suspect was how much we could > disentangle as being definitely Moorcock from contamination by others. > And is some of his stuff still only on tapes - or are all his Hawkwind > contributions now officially issued? Curse of Man is his isn't it? > > Maybe we should just ask him direct..... > > jill curse of man is definitely MM, and there are still some poems that have yet to make it to release on cd (that i've ever seen at any rate, tho if they're floating about on a phillipines/albanian/insert unlikely country of origin...) here's my list of MM songs/poems--(an abridged one alas) **deep fix** candy floss cowboy fair dealer sixteen year old doom dude's dream dodgem dude star cruiser brothel in rosenstrasse good girl bad girl another quiet day in auschwitz **HW** black corridor chances lost/lost chances choose your masques chronicle of the black sword coded languages curse of man dead god's hoomecoming dragon song earth ritual (tape only) the final flight joker of the universe (tape only) kings of speed my armours killing me/armour for everyday note from a cold planet(tape only) psychosonia running through the back brain sleep of a thousand tears sonic attack the timeship will not sail (tape only) warrior on the edge of time warriors standing at the edge the wizard blew his horn **BOC** great sun jester black blade vetran of a thousand psychic wars plus songs for glorianna+entropy tango plus the wheldrake pieces plus For Thomas Tompion in the New SF and since someone was going to ask... For Thomas Tompion 'Look how evolved the engines are in Allexandre and in Fess...' Brazen embellishments do not mar the precious instruments reminding me of death. copyright Michael Moorcock 1969 and BTW if someone has a HW boot with note from a cold planet i would be quite interested in trading, please email me directly ok, now who wants to approach MM about a small edition of his poetry?? --dave From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Sat Jun 15 22:10:15 1996 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:10:15 -0400 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock (was The Quest for Levitation) In-Reply-To: <9606160126.aa16238@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Jun 16, 96 01:26:46 am Message-ID: oop more moorcock poems-- the falcon (back brain recluse 4, also in best of BBR) cowboy lights out (BBR 6) plus stuff in Ergo Ego (fanzine circa 1962) so therer may be more really early stuff...(?) ok, all from the timeoffcentre for now --dave From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sat Jun 15 22:12:42 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:12:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock (was The Quest for Levitation) Message-ID: Jill said >PPS - and somewhere else there's also an archive list of all the >SF references that Hawkwind have put into either their lyrics or used >as titles. Yep, that's the (perhaps misleadingly named) "trivia" file available through Sonique's web site (or direct from me by e-mail on request). Paul - perhaps we should rename it the "song references" file or something? - Andy ObResult: England 2 Scotland 0 :))) From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sat Jun 15 21:17:29 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 21:17:29 -0400 Subject: HW:space bandits In-Reply-To: <31C31219.5C8C@ix.netcom.com> from "SKARSOL" at Jun 15, 96 07:42:17 pm Message-ID: says-- > in 1990, i found space bandits in a mainstream record store,picked it > up,fell in love. about a week later,i heard on the radio that hw was > coming to town. My first album was Sonic Attack, because of the Mike Moorcock connection. That was about 1982 I think. > bam! i'm there.fantastic show,but lousy time,as one of my teeth was > trying valiantly to leap out of my skull! Dental problem, or bad acid? :-) I saw them on the last tour in Denver. That was a great night! > annyway- the jist of this is that space bandits might be considered > responsible for my NEAR-religious dedication to the band. > HOWEVER- i do not agree with your oppinion that this is a great moment > in hw's history.in fact i think it borders on shameful.of course it has > its good points,i still love it,but imo it just seems lazy.and while > i like ron tree the person,i think it was a terrible piece of judgement > that got him on the roster.i am still waiting to see some shred of > talent to justify his presence. I think Ron Tree adds a lot to the band, at least in concert. Brock and Davey have this unfortunate tendency to hide behind equipment. Robert Fripp is probably happier in the spotlight than they are! :-) Without Ron, there'd be no front man. I think it will be interesting to see what musical contributions he makes (if any). > huw- i miss the hell out of huw. i think he sucks big-time solo, > but i think hw was better for his input.i LIKE guitar leads,and brock > only wants to play the machine that plays itself. Huw was not a marvelous guitarist (which is actually a bit refreshing, in a way), but I always enjoyed his solos. He wrote some really good tunes, too (see Choose Your Masques and Sonic Attack). > damn! what am i saying?!? it sounds like i'm bashing the band! now > i have got to repent! it's four turns of space ritual for me! I'm not sure that's adequate penance. I think you need to listen to "Adjust Me" twenty times, followed by Pink Floyd's "Bike". :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Sat Jun 15 22:18:43 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 04:18:43 +0200 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock Message-ID: > here's my list of MM songs/poems--(an abridged one alas) > **deep fix** >(list of songs snipped) What's Deep Fix ? Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Jun 15 20:06:41 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 00:06:41 +0000 Subject: HW:space bandits Message-ID: Guido Vacano wrote: > I saw them on the last tour in Denver. That was a great night!yeah i heard that was killer gig all-round. > I think Ron Tree adds a lot to the band, at least in concert. Brock and > Davey have this unfortunate tendency to hide behind equipment. Robert > Fripp is probably happier in the spotlight than they are! :-) Without Ron, > there'd be no front man. I think it will be interesting to see what > musical contributions he makes (if any).it is funny. at the shows, i thought 'well, this guy ain't so bad,' but i've seen some video footage and audio tape of a couple of the gigs which i attended,and when you're not drowned by volume,and when you are seeing it with clear sight,it isn't that attractive.i know he tries, but i just don't think he is up to the task. i agree that they need a frontman, but i don't think they've found him yet.hey- maybe he will prove me wrong,i wouldn't complain. > Huw was not a marvelous guitarist (which is actually a bit refreshing, in > a way), but I always enjoyed his solos. He wrote some really good tunes, > too (see Choose Your Masques and Sonic Attack).i think i didn't express myself well. i am pro-huw. > I'm not sure that's adequate penance. I think you need to listen to > "Adjust Me" twenty times, followed by Pink Floyd's "Bike". :-)i think maybe you are right,but i don't think i have access to "bike". how about 'astronomy domine' instead? rj From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sun Jun 16 09:55:52 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 09:55:52 BST Subject: HW: Re: Jesus Saves, but does he like Space Bandits? In-Reply-To: gingoblin@EASYNET.CO.UK's message of Sat, 15 Jun 1996 20:57:05 +0100 Message-ID: > Has there been much discussion as to Huw Lloyd Langtons contribution to > the Hawks? As much as I like some of his HW songs, I can't help feeling that > HW improved so much on his departure. I think he gave them too much of > standard "rock" sound, particularly with his never-ending solos. You are Dave Brock, and I claim my five pounds :-). FWIW, I agree with you. Then again, I like Ron Tree's vocals more than his stage act, so what do I know? Dave (bring back the coloured strobes...) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 16 07:31:58 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:31:58 +0100 Subject: HW: non-US cover tapes In-Reply-To: <903.9606151659@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Jun 15, 96 05:59:34 pm Message-ID: > I haven't received payment from: Alun Hughes, Carl Anderson, > Martyn Lawrence, and Jon Browne. Either I've lost it, in which > case I apologise and beseech you to send me another cheque, or > you haven't sent it in the first place, in which case you need > to get your bottom in gear ;-). The transmission of my arse needs work ;) I still have your address around here somewhere, I'll get it out on Monday! :} Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 16 07:39:17 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:39:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: Shame on you all ;) Message-ID: What? Was I the only one from the list at the Bevis show in Walthamstow? I think I was ... You people are getting slack in your old age ;) (Yes, all right, excuses from people living more than 5 hours from London will be accepted ;) It was cool, and we got to view the new Adrian Shaw (HW connection!) CD. Plus I received enquiries about my music, and there was mumbling about the sending of demos. Could we be looking at Scylding releases on Woronzoid? Well, probably not, but as long as we don't look to closely at reality, the sky's the limit :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 16 07:22:38 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:22:38 +1100 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock (was The Quest for Levitation) Message-ID: On 15 Jun 96 Andy Gilham wrote about Re: HW: Michael Moorcock (was The Q: > Jill said > > >PPS - and somewhere else there's also an archive list of all the > >SF references that Hawkwind have put into either their lyrics or used > >as titles. > > Yep, that's the (perhaps misleadingly named) "trivia" file available through > Sonique's web site (or direct from me by e-mail on request). > > Paul - perhaps we should rename it the "song references" file or something? Perhaps .... anyone with the lyrics file handy thik of a good title? Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 16 07:24:29 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:24:29 +1100 Subject: HW: New pictures [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] Message-ID: On 14 Jun 96 Andy Cobley wrote about Re: HW: New pictures [via LSMTP - s: > > You don't by any chance want to borrow a slightly used (& damp) > > R.O.D.S. Robot just in case? > > I'm missing something here, Iv'e not long joined the list R.O.D.S Robot ? Well, there's that much mail on BOC-L that I'd forgotten myself, and had to ask Andy .... it's "Rub Out Doug Smiff" ..... Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 16 07:30:53 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:30:53 +1100 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: On 14 Jun 96 Andy Gilham wrote about Re: HW: The Quest for Levitation: > Alex a demande: > > >One question : why is there a song called "Needle gun" ? I don't recall > >reading about a needle gun (or any kind of gun, for that matter) anywhere in > >Elric's Cycle... is my memory failing me ? :-( > > This what I wrote in the "trivia" file: > (see "http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/") or go straight to it" http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/trivia.txt Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sun Jun 16 08:32:32 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 07:32:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock In-Reply-To: <199606160218.EAA04058@lorien.imaginet.fr> Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > here's my list of MM songs/poems--(an abridged one alas) > > **deep fix** > >(list of songs snipped) > > What's Deep Fix ? Moorcock's band, more fully titled Michael Moorcock and the Deep Fix. They released _New Worlds Fair_ (I forget if there's an apostrophe in the title) in 1975, with most of Hawkwind as contributing musicians. He also has demos from two unfinished Deep Fix projects, _The Entropy Tango_ and _Gloriana_ (and some misc. other songs). NWF was re-released by Griffin Music last year or so, and has a bonus track, "The Brothel in Rossenstrasse" (from these various outtakes). This stuff appears in the Codex under the Moorcock section. (At least the official stuff is there; I don't recall if the unofficial stuff is). Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From KEVIN at TWOMBLEY.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jun 15 17:45:46 1996 From: KEVIN at TWOMBLEY.DEMON.CO.UK (Kevin F Mcdade) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 21:45:46 GMT Subject: OFF: tapes / CDs In-Reply-To: <199606152055.WAA01651@lorien.imaginet.fr> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:55:05 +0200, you wrote: >I'm aware of all those things. It's just that : >1) CDs are still quite expensive (at least here in France) >2) I don't like much the format (they take up too much room, especially >compared to tapes) >Oh, I don't swear by vinyl - do I still appreciate to hear those cracking >sounds once in a while *smile* But yeah, I'm eagerly waiting for the >thumbnail sized chips. THAT would definitely be an interesting format ! Hello boys Can I just add my tuppence worth? I have most HW albums on original vinyl and a large number on CD. The early stuff sounds appreciably more 'HW' on vinyl. More analogue doncha know. Anyway wait for holographic CDs and then you can just break a piece off and put it in your pocket, keeping all the info that was on the original. ffrom ff From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jun 15 06:16:53 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:16:53 +0100 Subject: HW : Hot news - NEW album! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My friend at EMI (who's been promoted, Good for him, bad for me!) has just told me of a "new" album "LIVE 1974" - as yet untitled. Apparantly, a spectacular bootleg from that period has surfaced and is being remastered and packaged as a companion to the EMI remasters. This is going to be a fair while coming though and probably won't be out this side of Christmas. I asked about 100 questions, he said that's all he knows. And now you know. Cheers! -- Jon Browne From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun Jun 16 04:57:25 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 08:57:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: Shame on you all ;) Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > Plus I received enquiries about my music, and there was mumbling > about the sending of demos. Could we be looking at Scylding releases > on Woronzoid? Well, probably not, but as long as we don't look to > closely at reality, the sky's the limit :),,<<<<<<<<<<<<< Le Monsieur Damon writes: > Attn: Mike Holmes or Jill... > > Question from Deltawave (Mike Coleman): > > Certain sources have listed EBS108 - "CHOOSE Your Future" (not Decide...) > > It is supposedly the same as Decide Y.F., but a different (aka EBS) > pressing. Coleman would like to know if any of you (such as FOFP or > Jill) can verify its existence. If you can, let us know. I've never heard of this one. > P.S.: Coleman wants to know if you (FOFP) have scored any rare HW stuff > recently. I'm afraid not :-( FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Jun 16 14:48:26 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 14:48:26 BST Subject: HW : Hot news - NEW album! In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:16:53 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > My friend at EMI (who's been promoted, Good for him, bad for me!) > has just told me of a "new" album "LIVE 1974" - as yet untitled. > Apparantly, a spectacular bootleg from that period has surfaced and is > being remastered and packaged as a companion to the EMI remasters. > This is going to be a fair while coming though and probably won't be out > this side of Christmas. I asked about 100 questions, he said that's all > he knows. And now you know. That's only the Warrior tour. Possibly even has Lemmy on it. Now who's gonna buy that? I ask you. > Jon Browne FoFP From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sun Jun 16 10:16:21 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 00:16:21 +1000 Subject: HW:space bandits- was: my belief is better than yours.... In-Reply-To: <31C31219.5C8C@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: I think Huw was an excellent addition/founding member of HW. I miss his soloing. I found it to be unique in it's sound. As for the comment that Ron Tree has no real talent, what about some of the other past members. I love Nik Turner, but I never have considered him to be a maestro of the Sax, and some people claim that he can't write a song either (I don't really concur here). Could Calvert be called a great musician? Opinions? Comments? Corrections? Troy PS: Am I correct about the staus of HLL in the early HW? From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sun Jun 16 12:16:57 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:16:57 -0400 Subject: BRIXTON BODY COUNT Message-ID: Hi Folks, LAST MINUTE COCKPIT CHECK Whos goin and where are we meeting? The same question applies to Brentwood, guildford, Amsterdam and possibly Tilburg. regards, Bill ( WILL TRADE DRINKS FOR {well you know}) Stewart From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Jun 16 17:18:15 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 17:18:15 BST Subject: BRIXTON BODY COUNT In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:16:57 -0400 Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > Hi Folks, > LAST MINUTE COCKPIT CHECK > Whos goin and where are we meeting? The same question applies to Brentwood, > guildford, Amsterdam and possibly Tilburg. > regards, > Bill ( WILL TRADE DRINKS FOR {well you know}) Stewart I'll probably try to get to Brixton and take it from there. FoFP From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sun Jun 16 12:40:25 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:40:25 -0400 Subject: HW : Hot news - NEW album! Message-ID: > >My friend at EMI (who's been promoted, Good for him, bad for me!) >has just told me of a "new" album "LIVE 1974" - as yet untitled. >Apparantly, a spectacular bootleg from that period has surfaced and is >being remastered and packaged as a companion to the EMI remasters. >This is going to be a fair while coming though and probably won't be out >this side of Christmas. I asked about 100 questions, he said that's all >he knows. And now you know. > >Cheers! >-- >Jon Browne > > Hello Jon and all Hawkfriends, I would assume this tape will be from the HotMG tour? If I remember correctly, ( this is no easy task ), that is the tour I seen in 74. Is this tape a new, never before known to exist tape? Any indication of what city, date of show? See ya, Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sun Jun 16 12:39:05 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:39:05 -0400 Subject: BRIXTON BODY COUNT Message-ID: Last time round we mostly did make it to the Beehive - we could try that again? - Andy From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sun Jun 16 12:53:53 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:53:53 -0400 Subject: HW:space bandits- was: my belief is better than yours.... Message-ID: > > I think Huw was an excellent addition/founding member of HW. I miss >his soloing. I found it to be unique in it's sound. > As for the comment that Ron Tree has no real talent, what about some of >the other past members. I love Nik Turner, but I never have considered >him to be a maestro of the Sax, and some people claim that he can't write >a song either (I don't really concur here). Could Calvert be called a >great musician? > Opinions? Comments? Corrections? > Troy > > PS: Am I correct about the staus of HLL in the early HW? > > I feel that the one thing Brock has been able to do is take an average talented musician, and use their skills to the utmost to create the best spacerock ever heard. HLL is a quite good player/writer, and his solo stuff is very listenable, it does not aspire to the level of his work with HW. Calvert on his own was not as good as Calvert with the Hawks, Nik on his own (non-HW material) is only as strong as his supporting cast (IMHO), I am only familiar with Calvert's Capt. Lockheed, and it seems that this is in reality a HW project, doing Calvert written material. Each HW member alone could not be considered a great musician, but it's like Brainstorming, the end result is a conglomeration of the talents of all the players. Don't you think, or don't you? See ya, Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Sun Jun 16 13:55:24 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:55:24 EST Subject: HW : Hot news - NEW album! Message-ID: Regarding the rumored new HW album, live from 1974: Issue #5 of Adrian Parr's HAWKEYE fanzine contains the following paragraph, which I quote for it's possible relevence here: 'Now for some news on the unearthing of Live Hawkwind material; two shows from the USA 1974 '1999 Party' tour have come to light of day, from a press cutting I have, it states that the Chicago and Detroit shows were recorded so these could be the ones. Anyway, they do exist and I'm sure myself and many others would love to see these on CD. Another 1974 recording has also reader its head, this being from Edmonton Sundown, London from the January of that year.' Sounds like 3 possible candidates for the upcoming CD... And in a related paragraph immediately following this one, we get the additional message: 'Of even better news is that the glorious Summer of 1976, may bring a recording from the 'Astounding Sounds Amazing Music' tour, from which a track by the name of "Time For Sale" was performed...' Could work out to be a pretty good X-mas this year. :-) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Sun Jun 16 13:02:50 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 19:02:50 +0200 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock Message-ID: >> What's Deep Fix ? > >Moorcock's band, more fully titled Michael Moorcock and the Deep Fix. >They released _New Worlds Fair_ (I forget if there's an apostrophe in the >title) in 1975, with most of Hawkwind as contributing musicians. Hmm...does MM actually sing on that album ? Anyway, what kind of music is it ? Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sun Jun 16 13:18:34 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 13:18:34 -0400 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock Message-ID: Alex asks >>Moorcock's band, more fully titled Michael Moorcock and the Deep Fix. >>They released _New Worlds Fair_ (I forget if there's an apostrophe in the >>title) in 1975, with most of Hawkwind as contributing musicians. > >Hmm...does MM actually sing on that album ? Anyway, what kind of music is it >? If you can call it singing, yes he does :) Actually he's not that bad, as long as he stays within his capabilities. It's an uneven album, in a variety of folk/blues/rock styles. But at its best - "Rolling in the Ruins", "Sixteen Year Old Doom", the last bit of "You're a Hero" - it's really rather good. And for those of us that care about the lyrics, they're mostly excellent, too :) - Andy From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Sun Jun 16 14:05:23 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:05:23 -0700 Subject: OFF: Kyuss In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is the band named after the Martian River Kyuss in the John Carter of Mars books by Edgar Rice Burroughs? -Passerby On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > Oh.. I have "Welcome to Sky Valley".. I thought that was the first one. > > The third, actually. > > > I know there's one called "As the Circus Leaves town...". > > I think that's rather more of an EP thing, than a proper album, > as such. > > > Could anybody provide a Kyuss discography? > > Or are there only the thre albums mentioned? > > I think the order is: Wretched, Blues for the Red Sun, & > Welcome to Sky Valley. I think the "Circus" release either accompanies > or follows Sky Valley. > > Cheers, > Carl > > ************************************************************************* > Carl Edlund Anderson "Hefi ek ok aldri sva reitt > cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk vapn at manni at eigi hafi > http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html vid kommit." > Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. -Skarphedin Njalsson > ************************************************************************* > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 16 14:08:44 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 19:08:44 +0100 Subject: HW : Hot news - NEW album! In-Reply-To: <9606161448.aa20323@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jun 16, 96 02:48:26 pm Message-ID: > > My friend at EMI (who's been promoted, Good for him, bad for me!) > > has just told me of a "new" album "LIVE 1974" - as yet untitled. > > That's only the Warrior tour. Possibly even has Lemmy on it. > Now who's gonna buy that? I ask you. The HotMG tour surely? Though they may well have been performing Warrior material, though I don't know. Warrior was released in '75? Almost certainly has Lemmy on it--probably House as well. Me? Buy it? Now why would I want to do that? 8) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Sun Jun 16 14:08:29 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:08:29 -0700 Subject: What BOC/HW connection???? In-Reply-To: <31BEF42D.1654@televar.com> Message-ID: I am not absolutely certain, but I believe the only real connection is the songwriting aspect - that is to say, Veterans and Black Blade. On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Jack W. Heffling wrote: > I was wondering the same thing, but didn't want to offend anybody. > Frankly, I have no clue who Hawkwind is, but probably heard them at some > time or another, just never knew it. I'm going to have to find some now > though, just because this list has made me curious. > > Jack > > http://j-and-a.com/boc.html > > > > Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > OI, > > Just a little thought I've had in my head ever since I joined this list: > > these bands sound *nothing* alike, and I wonder why the list covers both > > bands. I feel they're vastly different in most aspects (musically in > > particular), apart from some sci-fi and Moorcock material, but then > > again there's a zillion bands out there with sci-fi themes, good or bad. > > I don't consider BOC a space-rock band despite the sci-fi > > themes....Space Rock is a sound, not a concept... not that I mind BOC, I > > actually own a couple of CDs, and some of it's damn good, but lumping > > BOC and Hawkwind together is like lumping together Ministry and The Dead > > Kennedys..... I'm just curious, I guess. Who started this list and when > > was it started? > > > > Now I'll probably get tons of hate-mail, but oh well, let it rain.... > > > > Peace and Krunk, > > > > Christian > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 16 14:10:53 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 19:10:53 +0100 Subject: BRIXTON BODY COUNT In-Reply-To: <960616123903_136079115@emout12.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jun 16, 96 12:39:05 pm Message-ID: > Last time round we mostly did make it to the Beehive - we could try that > again? I believe I recall the location--since they're giving the dining hall staff at my college the 21st off anyway, I may come down early and mess around in London during the day. Anyone else going down before the evening and/or know a good (and cheap :) place for lunch in London? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 16 14:11:59 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 19:11:59 +0100 Subject: What BOC/HW connection???? In-Reply-To: from "john paine" at Jun 16, 96 11:08:29 am Message-ID: As wih so many things, we can simply blame Steve Swann for the connection ... ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From sai at TOPAZ.MICROBIO.UAB.EDU Sun Jun 16 08:51:59 1996 From: sai at TOPAZ.MICROBIO.UAB.EDU (Arioch) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 13:51:59 +0100 Subject: HW:space bandits Message-ID: hey all, i saw all this discussion on space bandits and just had to input my 0.02 cents. first of all, like many of you, i LOOOVE space bandits. i think bridget wishart's vocals lend a way cool complementation to brock's mellow-ish type voice. the whole album has a very space traveller-ish/space-opera-ish type feel to it (space traveller,btw, is a fantasy role playing game...way cool universe...). especially the first track (images???)...the b-side which has the live brock tracks all have a very post-apocalyptic feel to them. the last song (tv suicide) always gives me a very blade runner type ambience. and lest i forget the cover which is very kool artwork...always reminds me of the view one would get if they were looking over the horizon on a tall tree on the ewoks planet (sorry, forgot the name...) in the night. anybody else with me on this or have i taken listening to space bandits under the influence of "substances" to a new level...;)...cheers... Arioch sai at topaz.microbio.uab.edu Biochemistry and Molecular Genetics graduate student UNiversity of Alabama at Birmingham... From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Sun Jun 16 14:54:03 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 14:54:03 -0400 Subject: OFF: Kyuss Message-ID: > Is the band named after the Martian River Kyuss in the John Carter of > Mars books by Edgar Rice Burroughs? The AD&D Fiend Folio contains a critter called a "Son of Kyuss", described as "animated putrid corpses with fat green worms crawling in and out of their skull orifices. Kyuss was an evil high priest, creating the first of these creatures under instruction from an evil diety." They touch to cause advanced leprosy, and their worms jump on you and burrow for your brain. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sun Jun 16 15:08:13 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:08:13 -0400 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock songs In-Reply-To: <199606160204.WAA09901@pobox.upenn.edu> from "dave cohen" at Jun 15, 96 10:04:01 pm Message-ID: Dave lists MM's lyrical contributions.... > > here's my list of MM songs/poems--(an abridged one alas) > **deep fix** > **HW** > black corridor > chances lost/lost chances > choose your masques > chronicle of the black sword > coded languages > curse of man > dead god's hoomecoming > dragon song > earth ritual (tape only) > the final flight > joker of the universe (tape only) > kings of speed > my armours killing me/armour for everyday > note from a cold planet(tape only) > psychosonia > running through the back brain > sleep of a thousand tears > sonic attack > the timeship will not sail (tape only) > warrior on the edge of time > warriors > standing at the edge > the wizard blew his horn Isn't he also credited with the lyrics to 'Arrival in Utopia' as well, under the pseduonym 'Steele'??? Keith H. (FAA) PS You *did* say it was an abridged list....why?? ObLP: Steve Swindells - Fresh Blood (where's the CD?) From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sun Jun 16 15:22:22 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:22:22 -0400 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock songs Message-ID: Keith wrote >Isn't he also credited with the lyrics to 'Arrival in Utopia' as well, under >the pseduonym 'Steele'??? "L. Steele", in fact, which is presumably Linda Steele (Mrs Moorcock). - Andy From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Sun Jun 16 16:22:45 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr Pepper (they call me Mister Pibb)) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 21:22:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: swords & sidearms In-Reply-To: <199606142016.QAA28958@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: [whilst referring to needle gun] > > That particular track almost seems to imply a double meaning, of drugs... > As Dave said when he performed it at the Anti-Heroin gig at Crystal Palace (was this before the tour proper?) 'This next songs is about needles and stuff, which is why we're all here I guess' Or something similar. I personally was there to see Vera Lynn and this was the first time I had seen HW and this gig got me to leave behind the beautiful warbling of our Diva of the White Cliffs to find enjoyment in this new fangled rock music with guitars and amplified instruments. Or was that in a different Universe? Mike w From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Sun Jun 16 16:59:55 1996 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 16:59:55 -0400 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock songs In-Reply-To: <199606161908.PAA11841@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at Jun 16, 96 03:08:13 pm Message-ID: > > Dave lists MM's lyrical contributions.... > > > > here's my list of MM songs/poems--(an abridged one alas) > > **deep fix** > > > Isn't he also credited with the lyrics to 'Arrival in Utopia' as well, under > the pseduonym 'Steele'??? yup, as l.steele (linda moorcock nee steele) > Keith H. (FAA) > > PS You *did* say it was an abridged list....why?? a)cuz i knew i was going to miss a few(see above :-) and b)there's some early stuff from fanzines i don't have info on, but i'm pretty sure there were some poems he did in the late 1950's... --dave From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun Jun 16 13:23:43 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 17:23:43 +0000 Subject: BRIXTON BODY COUNT Message-ID: Bill Stewart wrote: > > Hi Folks, > LAST MINUTE COCKPIT CHECK > Whos goin and where are we meeting? The same question applies to Brentwood, > guildford, Amsterdam and possibly Tilburg. > regards, > Bill ( WILL TRADE DRINKS FOR {well you know}) Stewartyou know i'm in... you also know where we're meeting... rj From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun Jun 16 13:31:39 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 17:31:39 +0000 Subject: HW:space bandits- was: my belief is better than yours.... Message-ID: > I feel that the one thing Brock has been able to do is take an average > talented musician, and use their skills to the utmost to create the best > spacerock ever heard. HLL is a quite good player/writer, and his solo stuff > is very listenable, it does not aspire to the level of his work with HW. > Calvert on his own was not as good as Calvert with the Hawks, Nik on his > own (non-HW material) is only as strong as his supporting cast (IMHO), > I am only familiar with Calvert's Capt. Lockheed, and it seems that this > is in reality a HW project, doing Calvert written material. > Each HW member alone could not be considered a great musician, but it's > like Brainstorming, the end result is a conglomeration of the talents > of all the players. > Don't you think, or don't you?i am with duane on this. i had a commenntary typed up, but i crashed for some reason and i'm not doing it over. rj From stayer at PI.NET Sun Jun 16 23:00:06 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 20:00:06 PDT Subject: Amsterdam meeting point Message-ID: >Hi Folks, >LAST MINUTE COCKPIT CHECK >Whos goin and where are we meeting? The same question applies to Brentwood, >guildford, Amsterdam and possibly Tilburg. For all your HW fans coming to the Amsterdam gig... On the Leidseplein there's a bar / coffeeshop called The Bulldog. Everyone knows that one. I'll be wearing a... (don't laugh) Red Dwarf t-shirt. It's the most distinct t-shirt I have, I guess. (Hm, still have to find it first!) You can reach Leidseplein by tram from Central Station: lines 1, 2, and 5 go to Leidseplein. When you get out at Leidseplein, cross the tram's rails and you see the Bulldog right in front of you. Can't miss it. We'll meet in there. >Bill ( WILL TRADE DRINKS FOR {well you know}) Stewart Well I know what? You can get enough at the Bulldog! :-) See you there! Jerry From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sun Jun 16 17:50:57 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 23:50:57 +0200 Subject: OFF: Kyuss Message-ID: >Is the band named after the Martian River Kyuss in the John Carter of >Mars books by Edgar Rice Burroughs? No after a monster in the roleplaying game Dungeons and Dragons. -Daniel > >-Passerby > >On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > >> > Oh.. I have "Welcome to Sky Valley".. I thought that was the first one. >> >> The third, actually. >> >> > I know there's one called "As the Circus Leaves town...". >> >> I think that's rather more of an EP thing, than a proper album, >> as such. >> >> > Could anybody provide a Kyuss discography? >> > Or are there only the thre albums mentioned? >> >> I think the order is: Wretched, Blues for the Red Sun, & >> Welcome to Sky Valley. I think the "Circus" release either accompanies >> or follows Sky Valley. >> >> Cheers, >> Carl >> >> ************************************************************************* >> Carl Edlund Anderson "Hefi ek ok aldri sva reitt >> cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk vapn at manni at eigi hafi >> http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html vid kommit." >> Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. -Skarphedin Njalsson >> ************************************************************************* >> > > "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sun Jun 16 20:08:03 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 20:08:03 -0400 Subject: OFF: Kyuss In-Reply-To: <199606161854.OAA12054@quip.eecs.umich.edu> from "Ken Alexander" at Jun 16, 96 02:54:03 pm Message-ID: Ken says-- > > > Is the band named after the Martian River Kyuss in the John Carter of > > Mars books by Edgar Rice Burroughs? > > The AD&D Fiend Folio contains a critter called a "Son of Kyuss", > described as "animated putrid corpses with fat green worms crawling > in and out of their skull orifices. Kyuss was an evil high priest, Did Kyuss form before or after the F(r)iend Folio came out? And are you admitting that you actually PLAY AD&D? :-) Did they ever put the Cthulhu mythos back in Deities and Demigods? Guido obTUNE--Answers? Questions! Questions? Answers! by Focus -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun Jun 16 17:19:09 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 21:19:09 +0000 Subject: Amsterdam meeting point Message-ID: Jerry wrote: > > >Hi Folks, > >LAST MINUTE COCKPIT CHECK > >Whos goin and where are we meeting? The same question applies to Brentwood, > >guildford, Amsterdam and possibly Tilburg. > > For all your HW fans coming to the Amsterdam gig... > > On the Leidseplein there's a bar / coffeeshop called The Bulldog. Everyone > knows that one. I'll be wearing a... (don't laugh) Red Dwarf t-shirt. It's > the most distinct t-shirt I have, I guess. (Hm, still have to find it first!) > > You can reach Leidseplein by tram from Central Station: lines 1, 2, and 5 go > to Leidseplein. When you get out at Leidseplein, cross the tram's rails and > you see the Bulldog right in front of you. Can't miss it. We'll meet in > there.hey jerry- do you know where this is in relation to the nova hotel on nieuwezijds voorburgwal? not sure but i thiink it's the same area.i'll be wearin a smile.;) rj From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Sun Jun 16 23:55:13 1996 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 23:55:13 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: Archives available through WWW Message-ID: Yes, it's come to pass... The BOC-L mail archives (going back to when we moved from the VMS mailing list to LISTSERV in late August 1995) are now on-line and available through WWW. The URL which takes you right to the message archive is: http://listserv.spc.edu/archives/boc-l.html Please note that searching is not yet working, but everything else appears to be in good shape. Enjoy... YnSSHM, Ben From HMSwiz at AOL.COM Mon Jun 17 01:33:43 1996 From: HMSwiz at AOL.COM (Jerome Kekatos) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 01:33:43 -0400 Subject: HW : Hot news - NEW album! Message-ID: >Regarding the rumored new HW album, live from 1974: > > Issue #5 of Adrian Parr's HAWKEYE fanzine contains the following > paragraph, which I quote for it's possible relevence here: > > 'Now for some news on the unearthing of Live Hawkwind material; two > shows from the USA 1974 '1999 Party' tour have come to light of > day, from a press cutting I have, it states that the Chicago and > Detroit shows were recorded so these could be the ones. There was a recording of the '74 1999 party performance in Chicago.I recall announcements made that the show was going to be taped by a local radio station and then another local "underground" college radio station (WZRD) did have the MAN portion of the show and played it on-air in the months following the show (as far as I remember). I beat the bushes on the where-abouts of the HW part of the show for a bunch of years following to no avail. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Jun 17 01:50:38 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 00:50:38 -0500 Subject: HW: re: space bandits (though becoming OFF again) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Arioch wrote: > ...which is very kool artwork...always reminds me of the view one would > get if they were looking over the horizon on a tall tree on the ewoks > planet (sorry, forgot the name...) in the night. It's Endor, and it's a moon of Tatooine, Luke's home planet... supposedly Endor is the three trillionth moon or something, but my source on that (it was third or fourth grade) were probably just pulling the number out of his head. Whatever. :) By the way, I agree concerning the cover. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From HMSwiz at AOL.COM Mon Jun 17 01:55:36 1996 From: HMSwiz at AOL.COM (Jerome Kekatos) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 01:55:36 -0400 Subject: Searching for High Tide 'Sea Shanties' Message-ID: Years ago I ran across a early Simon House performance in a band called High Tide. Bought the record even though it was seriously warped. Great long track with some traditional early 70's Nottinghill acid/speed rock w/ House wailing on violin. Anybody stateside got a copy to sell? From southend at SERV.NET Mon Jun 17 02:10:54 1996 From: southend at SERV.NET (Steve Burton) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 23:10:54 -0700 Subject: HW:space bandits- was: my belief is better than yours.... Message-ID: At 12:16 AM 6/17/96 +1000, you wrote: > I think Huw was an excellent addition/founding member of HW. > Opinions? Comments? Corrections? > Troy > > PS: Am I correct about the staus of HLL in the early HW? Sort of,, actually Mick Slattery was his predecessor. HLL was on the first LP. steve > From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Jun 17 09:15:32 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:15:32 BST Subject: BRIXTON BODY COUNT Message-ID: > > Last time round we mostly did make it to the Beehive - we could try that > again? > > - Andy > That is the Wetherspoons pub isn't it? Right out of Brixton station, go under the bridge and it's on the right? - Rob From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 17 04:14:09 1996 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:14:09 +0100 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator Message-ID: Don't know if this has arisen before, but I found out that this mad scientist called Riech? invented a Orgone Accumulator in the 1930-40's. Apparently 'Orgones' were given off during sex, and the machine was supposed to collect this 'energy', this was carried out in a small roon where the unsuspecting couple were lead...... Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk 'Sunrise Wrongside of Another Day' "Kilminster" --------------------------------------------- From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Mon Jun 17 05:29:08 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:29:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: More On Darwinism... Message-ID: Stier, Christopher wrote: > > OK, if you're not sick of the JATO story yet here's a bit more on it. > It's snipped out of a longer article I found on the LEXIS-NEXIS service > (if anyone wants to see the whole thing just let me know, there's sort > of an amusing bit about Neil Armstrong, the moon and oral sex...) but on > to JATOs: HI, I looked at the lexis-nexis service but am at a loss at how to use it, how did you find this article ? could you send me the whole thing ? Ta Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jun 17 04:33:48 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:33:48 +0200 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator Message-ID: Derrick Chilton wrote: > > Don't know if this has arisen before, but I found out that this mad > scientist called Riech? invented a Orgone Accumulator in the 1930-40's. > Apparently 'Orgones' were given off during sex, and the machine was > supposed to collect this 'energy', this was carried out in a small roon > where the unsuspecting couple were lead...... > > Derrick... > There was a chapter in DC/Paradox comic book of weirdos and crackpots about this guy. Its a while since I read about it, but I got a kick out of the fact that Hawkwind based the song on real-life weird science. Anybody remember the full story? I think he believed in his theory to his death. Christian From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Jun 17 04:44:07 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:44:07 -0400 Subject: BRIXTON BODY COUNT Message-ID: Rob sez [The Beehive] > That is the Wetherspoons pub isn't it? Right out of Brixton station, > go under the bridge and it's on the right? That's the one! With the 99p beer (OK, so it wasn't too good, but it *was* 99p. :) Doors at 8pm (it says here) so any time from 7:30 I guess. - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Jun 17 04:44:36 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:44:36 -0400 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator Message-ID: The Hawkwind "trivia" file once again: --- Orgone Accumulator - refers to the scientific theories of Dr Wilhelm Reich. In his theory, "orgone" was a vital force, permeating the universe, which could be collected in "orgone boxes", and used to cure certain diseases. This theory failed to gain widespread acceptance. An orgone box is a sort of upright coffin made of alternate layers of metal and an insulator - sitting inside is supposed to charge up a person and cure a few ailments from the common cold to cancer. Reich died in prison in the US prosecuted for promoting a fraudulent treatment. He was very clearly mentally ill near the end of his life, and his persecution by the US Food and Drugs Authority, which resulted in his imprisonment, is a really shocking story. --- - Andy From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Jun 17 10:02:33 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:02:33 BST Subject: BRIXTON BODY COUNT In-Reply-To: Rob's message of Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:15:32 BST Message-ID: > > Last time round we mostly did make it to the Beehive - we could try that > > again? Check. (I suppose that should be "tick" for us Brits?) > That is the Wetherspoons pub isn't it? Right out of Brixton station, > go under the bridge and it's on the right? Check. Dave. From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jun 17 05:10:26 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:10:26 +0200 Subject: OFF: Fu Manchu/Norway Conquers Sweden Message-ID: > Med Va:nlig Ha:lsning (till och med till grannar med > minderva:rdskomplex) > -Daniel > > (Christian jag skojar bara :-) Men vi skojar inte n?r vi kj?per Marabou, Pripps og Aftonbladet.... :))christian From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Jun 17 10:23:08 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:23:08 BST Subject: HW: Re: BRIXTON BODY COUNT Message-ID: > Hi Folks, > LAST MINUTE COCKPIT CHECK > Whos goin and where are we meeting? The same question applies to Brentwood, > guildford, Amsterdam and possibly Tilburg. > regards, > Bill ( WILL TRADE DRINKS FOR {well you know}) Stewart > Could someone tell me which day the Guildford gig is? I got so excited about the all-nighter and Amsterdam I completely forgot about the gig which is almost local to me. bye - Rob From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Jun 17 05:46:33 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 05:46:33 -0400 Subject: BOC/BRAIN: Blue Pearl #10 Message-ID: Latest issue of the French BOC fanzine now out. It's a Brain Surgeons special, featuring an exclusive interview with Al & Deb. For non-Francophones, this issue's mostly in English! That address again: CARRIER Jean-Luc 134, rue de Periole 31500 Toulouse France - Andy From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jun 17 05:49:20 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:49:20 +0200 Subject: HW:space bandits-no, Calvert! Message-ID: Duane Hoyt wrote: > > > > > I think Huw was an excellent addition/founding member of HW. I miss > >his soloing. I found it to be unique in it's sound. > > As for the comment that Ron Tree has no real talent, what about some of > >the other past members. I love Nik Turner, but I never have considered > >him to be a maestro of the Sax, and some people claim that he can't write > >a song either (I don't really concur here). Could Calvert be called a > >great musician? > > Opinions? Comments? Corrections? > > Troy > > > > PS: Am I correct about the staus of HLL in the early HW? > > > > > I feel that the one thing Brock has been able to do is take an average > talented musician, and use their skills to the utmost to create the best > spacerock ever heard. HLL is a quite good player/writer, and his solo stuff > is very listenable, it does not aspire to the level of his work with HW. > Calvert on his own was not as good as Calvert with the Hawks, Nik on his > own (non-HW material) is only as strong as his supporting cast (IMHO), > I am only familiar with Calvert's Capt. Lockheed, and it seems that this > is in reality a HW project, doing Calvert written material. > Each HW member alone could not be considered a great musician, but it's > like Brainstorming, the end result is a conglomeration of the talents > of all the players. > Don't you think, or don't you? > Capt. Lockheed was an exception. Check out Calvert's later material (i.e. Lucky Leif, Freq etc.), and you'll know he was a great poet and songwriter on his own. Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 17 07:33:54 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:33:54 +0100 Subject: HW:space bandits-no, Calvert! In-Reply-To: <31C52A20.65D6@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jun 17, 96 11:49:20 am Message-ID: > > I feel that the one thing Brock has been able to do is take an average > > talented musician, and use their skills to the utmost to create the best > > spacerock ever heard. > > Calvert on his own was not as good as Calvert with the Hawks, > > I am only familiar with Calvert's Capt. Lockheed, and it seems that this > > is in reality a HW project, doing Calvert written material. > > Each HW member alone could not be considered a great musician, but it's > > like Brainstorming, the end result is a conglomeration of the talents > > of all the players. > > Don't you think, or don't you? > > Capt. Lockheed was an exception. Check out Calvert's later material > (i.e. Lucky Leif, Freq etc.), and you'll know he was a great poet and > songwriter on his own. I don't think it can be denied that Calvert was a great poet and songwriter wherever he was, but _musically_ the Calvert albums suffer in comparison to the Hawkwind albums. The only lad out of the Hawkwind camp who can completely stand on his own two feet is Lemmy--as has been proven by Motorhead. Calvert's various solo material is good stuff, but mostly for the Calvert lyrics and compositions--the actual performances I don't think are that great! Calvert had a more powerful team behind him in HW. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 17 07:37:36 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:37:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: Shame on you all ;) In-Reply-To: <31C3CC75.4C70@ix.netcom.com> from "SKARSOL" at Jun 16, 96 08:57:25 am Message-ID: > > Plus I received enquiries about my music, and there was mumbling > > about the sending of demos. Could we be looking at Scylding releases > > on Woronzoid? Well, probably not, but as long as we don't look to > > closely at reality, the sky's the limit :) >i dunno carl, is your music any good?nick is pretty diverse in his interests. > he may put you on one of the terrascope 7 inches, to see what kind of feedback he gets. > it doesn't sound too way out there to me... rj My music ain't so bad, if I do say so myself ;) As soon as I bludgeon my lazy-arse sister into sending me the tapes she made back in March, I can begin considering unleashing copies on the world, so people can decide for themselves how lame it may be ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From nexus at PANIX.COM Mon Jun 17 07:54:44 1996 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 07:54:44 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeons gig Message-ID: Hey all, The Surgeons have a gig here in NYC, hmm, this Wednesday? What time are they going to hit the stage (Al, Deb?). I think the flyer said that the doors open at 8, but are the Surgeons going on first, last or middle? JB From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Jun 17 10:59:32 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:59:32 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeons gig Message-ID: The Brain Surgeons are in Boston at Mamakin Saturday June 22 (will probably play around 11, but be advised to get there earlier) and in NYC at the Rodeo Bar at 375 Third Ave on Wednesday, June 26, 9 pm. DF From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Mon Jun 17 11:02:26 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:02:26 -0400 Subject: OFF: PTree in NYC In-Reply-To: <9606161255.A17631@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Jun 16, 96 12:55:24 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks.... For those of you in the NYC area, here is the info on the pre-ProgScape concert that Porcupine Tree will be doing. If you're interested in space rock (which you *should* be :) ), you should make it a point to get to this gig. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ To all of the desperate and miffed U.S. Porcupine Tree fans: There will be one New York gig: Thursday June 27th @ Don Hills (the corner of Spring and Greenwich Streets) This will be a special U.S. debut showcase with their guests/labelmates, Poppyseed. The show will be from 7-10pm AND there will be grab bag giveaways, etc. AND because we love their fans so much and want to give you an incentive to go (no matter where you live), it only costs $5!!!!!!!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I won't be there, but I'll be headed for Baltimore for the ProgScape gig. Keith H. From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 17 10:08:57 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:08:57 BST Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's message of Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:33:48 +0200 Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: > Derrick Chilton wrote: > > > > Don't know if this has arisen before, but I found out that this mad > > scientist called Riech? invented a Orgone Accumulator in the 1930-40's. > > Apparently 'Orgones' were given off during sex, and the machine was > > supposed to collect this 'energy', this was carried out in a small roon > > where the unsuspecting couple were lead...... > > > > Derrick... > > > > There was a chapter in DC/Paradox comic book of weirdos and crackpots > about this guy. Its a while since I read about it, but I got a kick out > of the fact that Hawkwind based the song on real-life weird science. > Anybody remember the full story? I think he believed in his theory to > his death. Which was in an American prison after he was arrested by the FDA. There's some irony in escaping Nazi Germany only to be arrested and jailed in "The Land of the Free" for production of something that doesn't exist. > Christian FoFP From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Mon Jun 17 11:19:59 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:19:59 +0200 Subject: HW: CotBS Lyrics Message-ID: >> 1) Some of the lyrics to "Song of the swords" and "The Sea King", though >> printed in the inner sleeve, do not appear in the songs themselves. I >> listened carefully but couldn't hear all the words. > > ###you must have a channel out.i checked both the studio and the live albums,and >all printed lyrics are intact in the recordings.there are times when the vocals are >whispered as in: " {cool brain tortured}, BY NEUROTIC FEARS!" as for sea king, >the problem may be that huw lloyd was a lush, and there for it often sounds as tho' >he's trying to sing around a mouthful of marbles! Well, I just gave it a listen with the headphones on to make sure I didn't miss out on anything, and I still can't hear some of the printed lyrics anywhere. On "Song of the swords" is missing "My eyes were blind I could not see [...] Black swords hanging cold as ice, will they lead me to Paradise ?" (that's 6 lines in the sleeve !). On "The Sea King" is missing the 2nd verse : "Unsure whether he's dreaming or dead [...] His ancestors, ally, friend, only to some" (4 lines). On the latter, HLL, after singing the chorus for the first time, just goes ahead directly to the 3rd verse, skipping the 2nd one thoroughly. Weird. Now, I have the Griffin release, could it be maybe that on this version they printed the whole original lyrics as they were maybe meant to be sung before the songs were indeed recorded ? >> 2) Seems to me that "Arioch" is in fact an instrumental, so wherever have >> the lyrics gone ? > >???????????????????????? >(snipped) > there is a short un-named piece before the song which is the summoning of arioch bt >elric,which goes like- "arioch aid me in my time of need,???? ???? ???? my soul doth >bleed, THE DUKES OF HELL! THEY COME! ARIOCH AID ME OR MY LIFE IS DONE!" I've checked this. I've found those lyrics in "The Demise", between "Zarozinia" and "Sleep of a thousand tears". They are pretty much whispered, especially at the start. But my sleeve gives me the following lyrics, which I can't seem to find anywhere in the songs : Arioch, I summon thee, Lord of Seven Darks Arioch, I summon thee, put fire in my heart Arioch, I summon thee, can you hear my plea ? Arioch, I summon thee in my hour of need I thought they should be in the track titled "Arioch", but this one apparently is an instrumental. So I'm puzzled ! Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jun 17 11:44:16 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:44:16 -0400 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator In-Reply-To: <31C5186C.23BE@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > Derrick Chilton wrote: > > > > Don't know if this has arisen before, but I found out that this mad > > scientist called Riech? invented a Orgone Accumulator in the 1930-40's. > > Apparently 'Orgones' were given off during sex, and the machine was > > supposed to collect this 'energy', this was carried out in a small roon > > where the unsuspecting couple were lead...... > > > > Derrick... > > > > There was a chapter in DC/Paradox comic book of weirdos and crackpots > about this guy. Its a while since I read about it, but I got a kick out > of the fact that Hawkwind based the song on real-life weird science. > Anybody remember the full story? I think he believed in his theory to > his death. Ages ago, I wrote a long post on the story of Dr. Reich and his Orgone Accumulators (cloudbusters, space guns, etc.). His name resurfaced at the time of the compilation of the HW trivia file, but my post was deemed too long for inclusion. Jill did repost it to BOC-L, though (like Ken Alexander, she must archive *everything*, just about, on this list:). Maybe she could e-mail you a copy, if you asked her nicely enough? Of course you knew of the Hawkwind/Kate Bush connection, didn't you? :-) (They both wrote songs about Dr. Reich.) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Screaming Trees, _Sweet Oblivion_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM Mon Jun 17 12:07:32 1996 From: JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM (JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:07:32 -0400 Subject: Searching for High Tide 'Sea Shanties' Message-ID: Jerome, I've got a copy of High Tide-"Sea Shanties" that I'd sell, it's an original Liberty release in great condition. The cover still has the shrink wrap on it. If you live in the U.S. I'd sell it for $20 (including postage), if you live overseas I'd go $25 (including postage). I also have the album High Tide-"High Tide" on the English label Psycho, probably a reissue, dated 1970. It's not quite as heavy sounding as "Sea Shanties" but it's the same band lineup. Three longer songs with alot of Simon. I'll include this one for an additional $10. Contact me if interested. Jeff Riedle P.O.Box 2726 Santa Cruz, CALIFORNIA 95063-2726 U.S.A. Or e-mail me at jeffriedle at aol.com From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jun 17 12:20:17 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:20:17 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: Archives available through WWW In-Reply-To: <199606170355.XAA28988@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Ben Cohen wrote: > Yes, it's come to pass... The BOC-L mail archives (going back to when we > moved from the VMS mailing list to LISTSERV in late August 1995) are now > on-line and available through WWW. The URL which takes you right to the > message archive is: > > http://listserv.spc.edu/archives/boc-l.html > > Please note that searching is not yet working, but everything else appears > to be in good shape. I just checked this out. Even without the search feature, it's pretty neat, as it allows a threaded perusal of the BOC-L traffic (threaded on author or subject). Plus, it's updated in real-time. In fact, I saw a posting on there that hadn't even made it to my mailbox yet! I guess this would be one way to keep up with the list for those people who dislike the volume of e-mail it sometimes generates: set your subscription to NOMAIL (so you can still post), but read it via the WWW archive... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Various, _Our Band Could Be Your Life_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jun 17 12:19:28 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:19:28 +0100 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Of course you knew of the Hawkwind/Kate Bush connection, didn't you? :-) > (They both wrote songs about Dr. Reich.) Oops, sorry. I should have read this before posting about the Cloudbuster. D From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jun 17 12:17:28 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:17:28 +0100 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator In-Reply-To: <9606171008.aa01834@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: > > > > > > Don't know if this has arisen before, but I found out that this mad > > > scientist called Riech? invented a Orgone Accumulator in the 1930-40's. > > > Apparently 'Orgones' were given off during sex, and the machine was > > > supposed to collect this 'energy', this was carried out in a small roon > > > where the unsuspecting couple were lead...... > > > Reich was also the inventor of the "Cloudbuster" as featured in the Kate Bush song & video "Cloudbusting". I forget how this contraption was supposed to work, but again it was something to do with orgone energy. By firing orgone energy into the sky Reich thought it was possible to break up clouds....I dunno, something like that. I have a book of Reich's writings somewhere, that includes a diagram of the cloudbuster which is almost exactly like the one in the KB video. Dave From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Jun 17 13:17:51 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:17:51 -0400 Subject: HW: CotBS Lyrics In-Reply-To: <199606171519.RAA23524@lorien.imaginet.fr> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jun 17, 96 05:19:59 pm Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia writes: > > the first time, just goes ahead directly to the 3rd verse, skipping the 2nd > one thoroughly. Weird. Now, I have the Griffin release, could it be maybe > that on this version they printed the whole original lyrics as they were > maybe meant to be sung before the songs were indeed recorded ? Welcome to the wonderful world of Hawkwind, where nothing is as it seems... or at least, nothing is as it is labeled. No Hawkwind album would be really complete without a wrongly named track, a misquoted lyric, or an altogether inappropriate order in the track listing. Also, lyrics tend to crop up in random places, set to different tunes, read instead of sung, etc. Music tends to get mixed and matched, played to different tempos, have different words added to it, etc. And on top of it all, songs get re-titled at random by incompetent compilers (all Hawkwind compilers are by definition incompetent). It makes life interesting for the serious kollektor, that's for sure. By the way, a great first cut at understanding all the discrepancies is to get yourself a copy of the cannonical lyrics file and the Hawkwind Codex, both available from Mike Holmes, who posts here under the name FoFP. Steve swann at panix.com From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Jun 17 13:20:36 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:20:36 -0400 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator In-Reply-To: from "Hardman DK" at Jun 17, 96 05:17:28 pm Message-ID: Hardman DK writes: > > > > > Don't know if this has arisen before, but I found out that this mad > > > > scientist called Riech? invented a Orgone Accumulator in the 1930-40's. > > > > Apparently 'Orgones' were given off during sex, and the machine was > > > > supposed to collect this 'energy', this was carried out in a small roon > > > > where the unsuspecting couple were lead...... > > Reich was also the inventor of the "Cloudbuster" as featured in the Kate > Bush song & video "Cloudbusting". I forget how this contraption was > supposed to work, but again it was something to do with orgone energy. By > firing orgone energy into the sky Reich thought it was possible to break > up clouds....I dunno, something like that. I have a book of Reich's > writings somewhere, that includes a diagram of the cloudbuster which is > almost exactly like the one in the KB video. And for those who haven't seen the video, there's a still-frame of it on the back of Kate's greatest hits album. Steve swann at panix.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 17 12:56:31 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:56:31 +0100 Subject: HW : Hot news - NEW album! In-Reply-To: <199606161640.AA25674@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> Message-ID: In message <199606161640.AA25674 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu>, Duane Hoyt writes >Is this tape a new, never before known to exist tape? >Any indication of what city, date of show? > >See ya, > >Duane That was the impression I was given, that this was entirely undiscovered. However, I bet it's not! This is EMI we're talking about, not Bernard! I mean, Bernard knows of gigs even Dave doesn't remember :) -- Jon Browne From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 17 18:31:27 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:31:27 BST Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:44:16 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > Ages ago, I wrote a long post on the story of Dr. Reich and his Orgone > Accumulators (cloudbusters, space guns, etc.). His name resurfaced at > the time of the compilation of the HW trivia file, but my post was deemed > too long for inclusion. Jill did repost it to BOC-L, though (like Ken > Alexander, she must archive *everything*, just about, on this list:). > Maybe she could e-mail you a copy, if you asked her nicely enough? > 8-)) not quite - I have to purge things once in a while to make space but this item I hang onto desperately...... and you all may make of that whatso'ere you will! Nohow it is very long (but fascinating to read) and I can repost it to the list if folk want. Otherwise mail me and a PERSONAL COPY (TM) is yours by return. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 17 13:32:17 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:32:17 +0100 Subject: HW : Hot news - NEW album! In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Jun 17, 96 05:56:31 pm Message-ID: > This is EMI we're talking about, > not Bernard! I mean, Bernard knows of gigs even Dave doesn't > remember :) Without in any way casting doubt on Bernard's undoubted supremacy of knowledge regarding Things Hawkwind, I'd hazard the number of gigs and sessions that Dave doesn't remember is nothing to sneeze at ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Jun 17 13:33:01 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:33:01 -0400 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jun 17, 96 11:44:16 am Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > Ages ago, I wrote a long post on the story of Dr. Reich and his Orgone > Accumulators (cloudbusters, space guns, etc.). His name resurfaced at > the time of the compilation of the HW trivia file, but my post was deemed > too long for inclusion. Jill did repost it to BOC-L, though (like Ken > Alexander, she must archive *everything*, just about, on this list:). I only save "contentful" posts (and even then, only content that interests me), or ones which I mean to reply to (many of which I either never get around to, or get beaten to the punch on), and I have a couple *thousand* articles saved. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Jun 17 13:34:31 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:34:31 -0400 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator Message-ID: Paul Mather reveals: > Ages ago, I wrote a long post on the story of Dr. Reich and his Orgone > Accumulators (cloudbusters, space guns, etc.). His name resurfaced at > the time of the compilation of the HW trivia file, but my post was deemed > too long for inclusion. Jill did repost it to BOC-L, though (like Ken > Alexander, she must archive *everything*, just about, on this list:). Hah! No, I only save the *good* stuff. http://polyphemus.engin.umich.edu/misc/orgone.txt From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jun 17 13:41:40 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:41:40 -0400 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Hardman DK wrote: > Reich was also the inventor of the "Cloudbuster" as featured in the Kate > Bush song & video "Cloudbusting". I forget how this contraption was > supposed to work, but again it was something to do with orgone energy. By > firing orgone energy into the sky Reich thought it was possible to break > up clouds....I dunno, something like that. The odd thing is that it was designed to be able to disperse *and* form clouds (the latter for the purposes of rainmaking in drought areas). I also seem to remember that Reich's space gun (for shooting down U.F.O.s) was based upon the cloudbuster. You can also catch a brief glimpse of a cloudbuster on the top of a shack in the film _WR: Mysteries of the Organism_ (in which we come full-circle with our recent thread about the plaster casters:). To the casual observer, it looks like a bunch of metal pipes tied together on a swivel mount... :-) Cheers, Paul. obSonicAttack: Kate Bush, "Experiment IV" e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From tully at LINELNT1.LIGHT.GE.COM Mon Jun 17 13:52:36 1996 From: tully at LINELNT1.LIGHT.GE.COM (Tully, Thomas (MSX)) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:52:36 -0400 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator Message-ID: PLEASE E-MAIL ME A COPY THANKS, TOM TULLY >---------- >From: J Strobridge[SMTP:eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK] >Sent: Monday, June 17, 1996 2:31 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: HW:Orgone Accumulator > >Paul Mather writes: > >> Ages ago, I wrote a long post on the story of Dr. Reich and his Orgone >> Accumulators (cloudbusters, space guns, etc.). His name resurfaced at >> the time of the compilation of the HW trivia file, but my post was deemed >> too long for inclusion. Jill did repost it to BOC-L, though (like Ken >> Alexander, she must archive *everything*, just about, on this list:). >> Maybe she could e-mail you a copy, if you asked her nicely enough? >> > > 8-)) not quite - I have to purge things once in a while to make >space >but this item I hang onto desperately...... and you all may make of >that >whatso'ere you will! > >Nohow it is very long (but fascinating to read) and I can repost it to >the >list if folk want. Otherwise mail me and a PERSONAL COPY (TM) is >yours >by return. > >cheers > >jill > >======================================================================== >=== >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > >ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >--- > From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Jun 17 13:59:02 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:59:02 -0500 Subject: HW : Hot news - NEW album! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: According to Mr. Mike Coleman, the 1974 concert 1) is from the U.S. HotMG tour, but 2) has a completely different setlist from the rest of the U.S. tour... I wonder why? Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon Jun 17 15:03:15 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:03:15 -0500 Subject: 32 tracks Message-ID: On 14-JUN-1996 10:19:16.5 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Troy Harris wrote: >> >> On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: >> >> > On 12-JUN-1996 10:30:03.7 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> > >> > Some Enchanted Evening >> > >> >> > >> I tried this album, but I could never get past "R U Ready 2 >Rock". > > >> What a dreadful song! >> > >> >> > >> I guess I'll stick to Hawkwind. >> > >I wouldn't judge the merits of BOC on one song (although I >like RU Re ady >> > >2 Rock) -- should I judge Hawkwind by listening to one song? >> > >John >> > >> > Certainly, John - how about "Good Morning" or "Mutation Zone", >> >> How about Kings of Speed? >Nah. Dying Seas! >Christian Let me clarify that I was joking about "Good Morning" and "Zone", as those are tracks frequently slagged by HW fans here. I guess the song most likely to be heard first would be "Silver Machine", which, in most forms, shouldn't make too bad an impression. Chuck `[1;32;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jun 17 14:13:25 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:13:25 -0400 Subject: HW: CotBS Lyrics Message-ID: >I've checked this. I've found those lyrics in "The Demise", between >"Zarozinia" and "Sleep of a thousand tears". They are pretty much whispered, >especially at the start. > But my sleeve gives me the following lyrics, which I can't seem to >find anywhere in the songs : > > Arioch, I summon thee, Lord of Seven Darks > Arioch, I summon thee, put fire in my heart > Arioch, I summon thee, can you hear my plea ? > Arioch, I summon thee in my hour of need > >I thought they should be in the track titled "Arioch", but this one >apparently is an instrumental. So I'm puzzled ! Deal with it. This stuff is akin to sleeve liner artwork, stuff that helps set the mood and is relevant, but for whatever reason was edited out or not done... This is still far preferable to the vast majority of earlier albums that didn't have lyrics at all. FWIW, BOC also didn't list any lyrics until Extraterrestrial Live, and in that, the song Black Blade (which was done prior to HW deciding to do CotBS) lists lyrics that have about an extra line that isn't sung every verse. So this is keeping in that tradition, I guess.... The lyrics were listed with these extra lines despite the fact that not only were they not sung on ET Live, they weren't sung on the original Black Blade off Cultsaurus Erectus some 3-4 years before, so you can't blame it on the sleeve being done before the final version of the song was edited or stuff like that. I believe the lyrics listed are probably as Moorcock had written them, and Eric clipped out some lines (he does that a bit, as in Subhuman) to make it fit the song the way he wanted it. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 17 05:45:26 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:45:26 +0100 Subject: HW : HLL or not? In-Reply-To: <199606151957.UAA17352@easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <199606151957.UAA17352 at easynet.co.uk>, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes > Anyway, onto Space Bandits. This is one of my favourite HW albums, and I >see it as the start of the truly magnificent period they are now in. > Has there been much discussion as to Huw Lloyd Langtons contribution to >the Hawks? As much as I like some of his HW songs, I can't help feeling that >HW improved so much on his departure. I think he gave them too much of >standard "rock" sound, particularly with his never-ending solos. Still, only >my opinion! > >Dave When Alex was asking where to begin, I was just thinking how much I missed Huw's sound actually! Compare the _excellant_ Xenon Codex (which you should try, Alex) to Business Of the Future, Space Bandits or even Alien 4. I couldn't see Huw's departure as anything but a loss. -- Jon Browne From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jun 17 14:18:41 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:18:41 -0400 Subject: New album name Message-ID: I know "Still Burnin'" was tossed around as a possible name, but I think that BOC can do better than that. here are some I've come up with: In Human Guise - I like this, not only does it carry a second meaning "Inhuman Guys", but it is a quote directly from the BOC appearance in the Defenders comic book #60, where somone (Buck, I think) says something that starts with "In human guise, we demon lords (or something like that) will enter this game of fortune...." Bombs over Germany - what better name could you want for an album on a german label? From suggested continuation of Imaginos saga... The Forever Tour - or some variation of the "On Tour Forever" slogan... Any others? +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 17 05:58:05 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:58:05 +0100 Subject: BRIXTON BODY COUNT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *If* I can make it to Brixton, I'll be wearing a bright red Primal Scream - Screamadelica t-shirt. (I don't have a Nethawks T and if I wore a black Hawks' T, you'd never find me) :) If I make it to Amsterdam, I'll be wearing the same shirt. It'll not be as bright, it'll smell a bit but you should be able to pick me out of a crowd! -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 17 14:48:16 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:48:16 +0100 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jun 17, 96 01:41:40 pm Message-ID: I made sure to xerox a few bits and pieces explaining Orgone that I have with me. Makes a damn fine basis for a magic system in and RPG, and ties in nicely with Sino-Japanese chi/ki stuff :) I actually have a rough set of plans for an Orgone Accumulator here somewhere (not to be confused with the Cloudbuster). Tox and I were going to build one big enough to brew beer in, but never got around to it. Someday, though .... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jun 17 14:41:21 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:41:21 -0400 Subject: 32 tracks Message-ID: >Let me clarify that I was joking about "Good Morning" and "Zone", as those >are tracks frequently slagged by HW fans here. I guess the song most likely >to be heard first would be "Silver Machine", which, in most forms, shouldn't >make too bad an impression. Well, I suppose we could start a slew of "first song heard" messages. ("Lord of Light" was the first HW song I ever heard, it made an instant convert....) +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 17 14:51:17 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:51:17 +0100 Subject: New album name In-Reply-To: <199606171818.OAA02308@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Jun 17, 96 02:18:41 pm Message-ID: > In Human Guise - I like this, not only does it carry a second meaning > "Inhuman Guys", but it is a quote directly > from the > BOC appearance in the Defenders comic book > #60, where somone (Buck, I think) says something > that starts with "In human guise, we demon lords > (or something like that) will enter this game of > fortune...." I like this best of your suggestions. And if BOC doesn't use it I think tBS should. Maybe not quite the ring of the ever popular "Evil Banquet in Darkness", but still ... :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 17 14:54:25 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:54:25 +0100 Subject: 32 tracks In-Reply-To: <01I60NIPA7G28YAU8M@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Jun 17, 96 02:03:15 pm Message-ID: > Let me clarify that I was joking about "Good Morning" and "Zone", as those > are tracks frequently slagged by HW fans here. I guess the song most likely > to be heard first would be "Silver Machine", which, in most forms, shouldn't > make too bad an impression. Actually, "Good Evening" (it's "evening" rather than "morning", isn't it) was one of the first HW songs I ever heard, right after my old pal joined this boc-l thing where people kept talking about Hawkwind and he decided he had to know what it was about and snagged a cassette copy of _Xenon Codex_ and unleashed it on us. And I actually quite *like* "Good Evening" :) Or possibly "Good Morning". Whichever :) Of course, the real hook for me was when I casually bought a used CD of HotMG. Yippee :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Jun 17 15:04:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:04:00 EDT Subject: HW : re-HLL or not? Message-ID: >When Alex was asking where to begin, I was just thinking how much I >missed Huw's sound actually! Compare the _excellant_ Xenon Codex (which >you should try, Alex) to Business Of the Future, Space Bandits or even >Alien 4. I couldn't see Huw's departure as anything but a loss. -- >Jon Browne Right on, Jon!. Just listen to "Assassins of Allah" with and without and tell me something serious isn't missing. They now had to piece in an ambient chunk by contrast to make it seem the rocker it once was. Rudy From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Jun 17 15:07:05 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:07:05 -0500 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: Guess what? I'm number "BUSY" to visit the web site. The counter must be on the fritz. :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 17 15:27:59 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:27:59 +0100 Subject: HW : re-HLL or not? In-Reply-To: <31C52036@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Jun 17, 96 03:04:00 pm Message-ID: > Right on, Jon!. Just listen to "Assassins of Allah" with and without and > tell me something serious isn't missing. They now had to piece in an > ambient chunk by contrast to make it seem the rocker it once was. Actually, the original bit without Huw was quite good I thought ;) though admitedly it had Simon House on violin ... I'd vote for Simon rejoining permanently over Huw, actually ... I really couldn't complain a bit if they had Simon and Del (pipedream alert! ;) as full time members :) Then they could ditch those dreadful sequencers ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Jun 17 15:41:30 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:41:30 -0400 Subject: HW : re-HLL or not? Message-ID: > I really couldn't complain a bit if they had Simon and Del >(pipedream alert! ;) as full time members :) Then they could ditch >those dreadful sequencers ... > Add in Tim Blake and Lemmy and Nik and this would be q perfect line-up Martyn From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 17 15:52:11 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:52:11 +0100 Subject: HW : re-HLL or not? In-Reply-To: <9606171941.AA04395@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Jun 17, 96 03:41:30 pm Message-ID: > > I really couldn't complain a bit if they had Simon and Del > >(pipedream alert! ;) as full time members :) Then they could ditch > >those dreadful sequencers ... > > > Add in Tim Blake and Lemmy and Nik and this would be q > perfect line-up Now we are discussing _serious_ pipedream :) I was going to settle for just _one_ bass player and _one_ synth player. Simon would be wishful thinking, and stranger things have happened than having Del join, but I would hold out no hope at all for anything but guest appearances from Lemmy and Nik--and Blake doesn't even bother to mess about with Gong! ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Mon Jun 17 16:15:27 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:15:27 -0400 Subject: HW: first song (was 32 tracks) In-Reply-To: <199606171841.OAA03969@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Jun 17, 96 02:41:21 pm Message-ID: Andrew said... > > >Let me clarify that I was joking about "Good Morning" and "Zone", as those > >are tracks frequently slagged by HW fans here. I guess the song most likely > >to be heard first would be "Silver Machine", which, in most forms, shouldn't > >make too bad an impression. > > Well, I suppose we could start a slew of "first song heard" messages. > ("Lord of Light" was the first HW song I ever heard, it made an instant > convert....) Mine was 'Quark, Strangeness, and Charm' in 1980, and although that particular song wasn't really the one that instantly converted me to Hawkwindism, the album as a whole made me go out and buy 'Space Ritual'. I was surprised at how different it was, but then I loved that one just as much (or more). What finally sealed it was getting 'Levitation' on tape next, and listening to it virtually every night (on headphones, of course) for about six months. Funny thing is, these first three albums I got are three of my current four favourites (the other being 'Warrior'). I wouldn't think 'Silver Machine' would be the track of choice for a new listener, although it is certainly the most known. I think LoL would be better, actually, but I would suggest '7 x 7' would be the best single track to represent HW to a new listener...it's got several different aspects of HW music/poetry in one piece. Hassan I Sahba wouldn't be so bad either.... Keith H. (FAA) ObAdvice: 'Mummy, Daddy, said to me....Get a job!' From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Mon Jun 17 16:20:33 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:20:33 +0200 Subject: HW: CotBS Lyrics Message-ID: >Welcome to the wonderful world of Hawkwind, where nothing is as it >seems... or at least, nothing is as it is labeled. No Hawkwind album >would be really complete without a wrongly named track, a misquoted >lyric, or an altogether inappropriate order in the track listing. Ooooooohhhh... Well, why didn't you say that right away ? explains a lot ! :-) >By the way, a great first cut at understanding all the discrepancies >is to get yourself a copy of the cannonical lyrics file and the >Hawkwind Codex, both available from Mike Holmes, who posts here under >the name FoFP. I already have a copy of the Codex (which was not too long ago posted on the list) and I guess I'll go hunt for the lyrics next time I go a-surfin'... uh, is there a website where I should look or is Mike Holmes hiding this somewhere out of sight ? ;-) Alex S. Garcia --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 17 07:56:06 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:56:06 +0100 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator In-Reply-To: <9606170814.AA02747@sun1.bham.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <9606170814.AA02747 at sun1.bham.ac.uk>, Derrick Chilton writes >Don't know if this has arisen before, Once or twice ;) >but I found out that this mad >scientist called Riech? invented a Orgone Accumulator in the 1930-40's. >Apparently 'Orgones' were given off during sex, and the machine was >supposed to collect this 'energy', this was carried out in a small roon >where the unsuspecting couple were lead...... > > Derrick... Wilhelm Riech wasn't mad, he was a genius. Like Einstien, like Lloyd Wright, ahead of his time etc. Murdered by the state etc. not "mad". If you're very lucky Jill might repost her succinct biog. If you're very interested read "Fury On Earth" a good biog of this incredible man. Mad scientist, indeed ;) -- Jon Browne From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Jun 17 21:30:09 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 21:30:09 BST Subject: 32 tracks In-Reply-To: HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM's message of Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:03:15 -0500 Message-ID: >I wouldn't judge the merits of BOC on one song I was joking, in part. My favourite BOC song would be Vengeance: The Pact (closely followed by DftR). Dave. From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Jun 17 17:29:27 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:29:27 -0400 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > > In message <9606170814.AA02747 at sun1.bham.ac.uk>, Derrick Chilton > writes > >Don't know if this has arisen before, > Once or twice ;) > >but I found out that this mad > >scientist called Riech? invented a Orgone Accumulator in the 1930-40's. > >Apparently 'Orgones' were given off during sex, and the machine was > >supposed to collect this 'energy', this was carried out in a small roon > >where the unsuspecting couple were lead...... > > > > Derrick... > Wilhelm Riech wasn't mad, he was a genius. Like Einstien, like Lloyd > Wright, ahead of his time etc. Murdered by the state etc. not "mad". > > If you're very lucky Jill might repost her succinct biog. > If you're very interested read "Fury On Earth" a good biog of this > incredible man. > > Mad scientist, indeed ;) I especially liked his notions of chasing away UFOs with "space guns" (modified cloudbusters, which were supposed to use focussed "Orgone Energy" to drive away the "bad energy" aliens). If only they'd listened to him, perhaps today we wouldn't have _The X Files_. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Jun 17 13:33:43 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:33:43 +0000 Subject: HW: CotBS Lyrics Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: > Well, I just gave it a listen with the headphones on to make sure I didn't > miss out on anything, and I still can't hear some of the printed lyrics > anywhere. On "Song of the swords" is missing "My eyes were blind I could not > see [...] Black swords hanging cold as ice, will they lead me to Paradise ?" > (that's 6 lines in the sleeve !).That is a new one on me.iv'e never heard those lines before, nor have i ever seen them in print.what release is that? On "The Sea King" is missing the 2nd verse > : "Unsure whether he's dreaming or dead [...] His ancestors, ally, friend, > only to some" (4 lines). On the latter, HLL, after singing the chorus for > the first time, just goes ahead directly to the 3rd verse, skipping the 2nd > one thoroughly. Weird. Now, I have the Griffin release, could it be maybe > that on this version they printed the whole original lyrics as they were > maybe meant to be sung before the songs were indeed recorded ?this, too, is strange, as i don't believe i've ever heard a version of this song without these lines! > I've checked this. I've found those lyrics in "The Demise", between > "Zarozinia" and "Sleep of a thousand tears". They are pretty much whispered, > especially at the start. > But my sleeve gives me the following lyrics, which I can't seem to > find anywhere in the songs : > > Arioch, I summon thee, Lord of Seven Darks > Arioch, I summon thee, put fire in my heart > Arioch, I summon thee, can you hear my plea ? > Arioch, I summon thee in my hour of need > > I thought they should be in the track titled "Arioch", but this one > apparently is an instrumental. So I'm puzzled !ok, i've found these words in my sleeve,but i assume they are merely there for atmosphere, as they are the only lyrics in the booklet without a title. rj From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Mon Jun 17 17:39:44 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:39:44 +0200 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator Message-ID: >I especially liked his notions of chasing away UFOs with "space guns" >(modified cloudbusters, which were supposed to use focussed "Orgone >Energy" to drive away the "bad energy" aliens). If only they'd >listened to him, perhaps today we wouldn't have _The X Files_. Then a good thing it is that they *didn't* listen to him ! :-)) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Jun 17 18:07:46 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:07:46 -0400 Subject: HW : HLL or not? Message-ID: > >In message <199606151957.UAA17352 at easynet.co.uk>, >gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes >> Anyway, onto Space Bandits. This is one of my favourite HW albums, and I >>see it as the start of the truly magnificent period they are now in. >> Has there been much discussion as to Huw Lloyd Langtons contribution to >>the Hawks? As much as I like some of his HW songs, I can't help feeling that >>HW improved so much on his departure. I think he gave them too much of >>standard "rock" sound, particularly with his never-ending solos. Still, only >>my opinion! >> >>Dave > >When Alex was asking where to begin, I was just thinking how much I >missed Huw's sound actually! Compare the _excellant_ Xenon Codex (which >you should try, Alex) to Business Of the Future, Space Bandits or even >Alien 4. I couldn't see Huw's departure as anything but a loss. > >-- >Jon Browne > > Hello all, Personally, of the stuff I have heard that includes HLL, I find that I listen to Levitation more than any other, but I do agree, Xenon Codex is quite good also. Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Jun 17 18:17:02 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:17:02 -0400 Subject: HW: first song (was 32 tracks) Message-ID: > >Andrew said... >> >> >Let me clarify that I was joking about "Good Morning" and "Zone", as those >> >are tracks frequently slagged by HW fans here. I guess the song most likely >> >to be heard first would be "Silver Machine", which, in most forms, shouldn't >> >make too bad an impression. >> >> Well, I suppose we could start a slew of "first song heard" messages. >> ("Lord of Light" was the first HW song I ever heard, it made an instant >> convert....) > >Mine was 'Quark, Strangeness, and Charm' in 1980, and although that particular >song wasn't really the one that instantly converted me to Hawkwindism, the >album as a whole made me go out and buy 'Space Ritual'. I was surprised at how >different it was, but then I loved that one just as much (or more). What >finally sealed it was getting 'Levitation' on tape next, and listening to it >virtually every night (on headphones, of course) for about six months. Funny >thing is, these first three albums I got are three of my current four >favourites (the other being 'Warrior'). > >I wouldn't think 'Silver Machine' would be the track of choice for a new >listener, although it is certainly the most known. I think LoL would be >better, actually, but I would suggest '7 x 7' would be the best single track to >represent HW to a new listener...it's got several different aspects of HW >music/poetry in one piece. Hassan I Sahba wouldn't be so bad either.... > >Keith H. (FAA) > >ObAdvice: 'Mummy, Daddy, said to me....Get a job!' > > Hello again, THe first HW I ever heard was when WMMS played Sonic Attack and let it run into Time We Left. It was being played to promo the upcoming show, which I immediately ran out and bought tickets for. Since then I have ALWAYS had Space Ritual in some form or another. Good thing cd's are around, as I went through 3 SR albums, severly wearing them out up till the cd release. And now that is been upgraded by the remasters! (3 down, 2 to go ) Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jun 17 18:13:20 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:13:20 -0600 Subject: BOCbase In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Jerry wrote: > Manuel, > > >Just let me know when and I'll break out all the info I have on tour dates. > >I concur with you comment that there is not enough time, but when you begin > >I'll be more that happy to provide the info that I have for you and the > >people on the list to see as well. > > If you send it, I will type in a couple of lines every time. We'll get there! > :-) So, send me the list and amaze me! > > Thanks, > Jerry > Jerry- Sounds good. How do you want me to list the tour dates? For examle, should we begin from the past and work our way up to now, or vis versa? Do you want to do one year at a time? Please let me know and I'll start listing a little info at a time, to in- clude as much info that is known on each specific date. Sounds like it's gonna be alot of work, but fun at the same time. God bless... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 00:00:48 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:00:48 BST Subject: HW: 1st songs In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:41:21 -0400 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > > Well, I suppose we could start a slew of "first song heard" messages. > ("Lord of Light" was the first HW song I ever heard, it made an instant > convert....) Ah - for me it was the first album! And then I got hold of In Search of Space and nothing was ever quite the same again....... jill ========================================================================= J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 00:21:05 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:21:05 BST Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator In-Reply-To: MSX's message of Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:52:36 -0400 Message-ID: MSX writes: > PLEASE E-MAIL ME A COPY > THANKS, > TOM TULLY > Just did! Anyone else? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 00:25:52 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:25:52 BST Subject: HW: covers tapes Message-ID: These just arrived - nice packaging! Good sound too considering the quality of some of the tapes we must have sent. Many thanks to everyone who must have put in a lot of time and work to do these. Excellent job - I like it! cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 00:33:29 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:33:29 BST Subject: HW: poem advice please Message-ID: Can anyone tell me who the author(s) are for: "Mark of Cain" "Beast of Chaos" ?"Shores of Paradise"? - this poem comes before Master of the Universe on Wolverhampton 1971 end of side one. This last line is the only really audible bit but it might be possible to work out the rest - or does this already exist somewhere? thanks jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Mon Jun 17 19:58:57 1996 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Brand) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:58:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lyrics (was Duran Duran) In-Reply-To: <199606131656.SAA24196@lorien.imaginet.fr> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > Look at BOC's > lyrics, they most of the time tell stories. I'm listening to "Monsters" > right now, for instance, which has some of the finest lyrics BOC has > written, IMO, with a really funny story... "Monsters" funny? Brrr... You wouldn't be laughing if you were one of the guys on that spaceship... Brand ------------------------------- The Universe is a cellular automata system. visit The Courts of Chaos: | Its cell size is 10^33 cells per metre http://nickel.ucs.indiana.edu/ | Its frame rate is 10^43 FPS. ~khiller/home.html | And we're stuck inside it. -Jeff Lewis From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Jun 18 11:28:01 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:28:01 EST Subject: HW: poem advice please In-Reply-To: <9606180033.aa14822@uk.ac.ed.tattoo>; from "J Strobridge" at Jun 19, 96 00:33:29 am Message-ID: > > Can anyone tell me who the author(s) are for: > > "Mark of Cain" Wasn't this a Huw/Marion Lloyd Langton collaboration. WeirdOBHwcontent:Have been playing love in space lp a great deal recently,and it seems as if there has been a lot of "saucer activity "near Melbourne in the last week.Now if only they could land near my house,I'd invite them in and say Boys/girls/Aliens listen to this. regards Marty(beam me up)Lawrence From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Mon Jun 17 20:50:25 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 02:50:25 +0200 Subject: HW: CotBS Lyrics Message-ID: >> On "Song of the swords" is missing "My eyes were blind I could not >> see ?...? Black swords hanging cold as ice, will they lead me to Paradise ?" >> (that's 6 lines in the sleeve !). > >That is a new one on me.iv'e never heard those lines before, nor have i ever seen them >in print.what release is that? I have the Griffin 1994 release. >> But my sleeve gives me the following lyrics, which I can't seem to >> find anywhere in the songs : >>(lyrics snipped) >> I thought they should be in the track titled "Arioch", but this one >> apparently is an instrumental. So I'm puzzled ! > >ok, i've found these words in my sleeve,but i assume they are merely there for >atmosphere, as they are the only lyrics in the booklet without a title. rj Yeah, you're probably right, must be for atmosphere... There are stylized letters on the page which I thought at first must read "Arioch" - and that's why I thought they were the lyrics to that song - but apparently they're not even letters, just some kind of weird (but cool) drawing ! Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Mon Jun 17 20:50:42 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 02:50:42 +0200 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes, about "Deep Fix" : >It's an uneven album, in a variety of folk/blues/rock styles. But at its >best - "Rolling in the Ruins", "Sixteen Year Old Doom", the last bit of >"You're a Hero" - it's really rather good. > >And for those of us that care about the lyrics, they're mostly excellent, too >:) Hmm... Then I'll definitely have to try this one... :-) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Jun 18 12:45:04 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:45:04 EST Subject: HW: CotBS Lyrics In-Reply-To: <199606180050.CAA28804@lorien.imaginet.fr>; from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jun 19, 96 02:50:25 am Message-ID: > > >> On "Song of the swords" is missing "My eyes were blind I could not > >> see =D5...=FE Black swords hanging cold as ice, will they lead me to= > Paradise ?" > >> (that's 6 lines in the sleeve !). > > > >That is a new one on me.iv'e never heard those lines before, nor have i > ever seen them > >in print.what release is that? > Before the cotbs album was released they showcased a few songs on a minitour around june 1985. The songs they played were sleep of a 1000 tears,shade gate,song of the swords and needlegun. The lyrics to sots and possibly sleep etc were different from how they appeared on the album. On the main tour Sea King was considerably longer in that it had an extra verse that wasn't on the lp,although the full version of the song was on the Live Chr- onicles lp. I guess there was alimit on how much could be put on a single lp(45 mins?) and that was why some songs were cut,so that they could portray the whole concept on a single album. I like both the studio cotbs and live chronicles apart from the bang,bang thud of danny thompson. Does anyone know whatever happened to Simon King,there was a photo of him with the band around the time that they were recording cotbs,but nothing since? regards Marty From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jun 17 21:33:19 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:33:19 +1100 Subject: 32 tracks Message-ID: On 17 Jun 96 Andrew A. Apold wrote about Re: 32 tracks: > Well, I suppose we could start a slew of "first song heard" messages. > ("Lord of Light" was the first HW song I ever heard, it made an instant > convert....) My submission: "Robot" .... and I've never been quite the same since ;^) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jun 17 21:48:39 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:48:39 +1100 Subject: OFF: UFO's (was Re: HW: poem advice please) Message-ID: On 18 Jun 96 Martyn Lawrence wrote about Re: HW: poem advice please: > WeirdOBHwcontent:Have been playing love in space lp a great deal recently,and > it seems as if there has been a lot of "saucer activity "near Melbourne in the > last week.Now if only they could land near my house,I'd invite them in and say > Boys/girls/Aliens listen to this. I have it on good authority, from another Hawkfan who is involved with the Australian Armed Forces, that the "saucer activity" is actually some sort of 'test' that they are doing at the moment ... he wouldn't elaborate though .... -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Jun 17 23:03:31 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:03:31 -0400 Subject: Amsterdam meeting point Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-16 17:56:46 EDT, you write: >Well I know what? You can get enough at the Bulldog! :-) What Time? regards, Bill Stewart From HMSwiz at AOL.COM Mon Jun 17 23:31:46 1996 From: HMSwiz at AOL.COM (Jerome Kekatos) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:31:46 -0400 Subject: HW: 1st songs Message-ID: >>Andrew A. Apold writes: >> >> Well, I suppose we could start a slew of "first song heard" messages. >> ("Lord of Light" was the first HW song I ever heard, it made an instant >> convert....) >Ah - for me it was the first album! And then I got hold of In Search of >Space and nothing was ever quite the same again....... >jill Same here. Saw that gate-fold ISOS in late 72, and was just knocked over, It was from Another World. Never played one track from ISOS, just the whole LP. Started my own kinda electric kool-aid acid test with that LP, but that's a long story. H.M.S. wiz aka the gremlin From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Jun 18 14:37:51 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:37:51 EST Subject: HW:Sightings In-Reply-To: <9606180033.aa14822@uk.ac.ed.tattoo>; from "J Strobridge" at Jun 19, 96 00:33:29 am Message-ID: Hi just seen these selected Hawkgoodies here in Melbourne. Love in Space CD $AUS 36.00 Greville Records, Psychadelic Warlords CD (2nd Hand) $AUS 16.00 Dixons,Prahran. Pxr5 Vinyl (with wrong wired plug )$AUS9.00 (2nd Hand) Dixons ,Prahran. regards Marty From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jun 17 23:48:39 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:48:39 -0400 Subject: HW:Sightings In-Reply-To: <9606180337.AA02865@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Martyn Lawrence wrote: > Hi > just seen these selected Hawkgoodies here in Melbourne. > > Love in Space CD $AUS 36.00 Greville Records, I was just wondering: what's the going rate for the new _Love in Space_ 2CD in the UK and the US? My local shop has an import EBS copy for $23, which seems pretty fair for an import double CD. Is _Love in Space_ going to be released domestically in the US, or does Doug Smiff not like the idea of that? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Dark, _Dark_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From HMSwiz at AOL.COM Mon Jun 17 23:52:47 1996 From: HMSwiz at AOL.COM (Jerome Kekatos) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:52:47 -0400 Subject: Love in Space US$ Message-ID: I got quoted $35 for the import double CD Love in Space from a little shop in Evanston IL that has a somewhat HW fanatic owner. Want to see if the major discount chains will pick it up... HMS wiz From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Jun 18 01:42:51 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:42:51 -0500 Subject: HW: 1st songs In-Reply-To: <960617233146_416323024@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Jerome Kekatos wrote: > Jill writes: > >Ah - for me it was the first album! And then I got hold of In Search > >of Space and nothing was ever quite the same again....... > Same here. Saw that gate-fold ISOS in late 72, and was just knocked > over, It was from Another World. Never played one track from ISOS, just > the whole LP. ISOS was from a soap opera?!? :) Anyway, I'm a youngun (22 1/2... 23 in September), so believe it or not, the very first HW song I ever heard was "Ghost Dance" in early 1994, followed in quick succession by oodles of classic HW tracks and performed by Nikwind on that first tour. I hadn't even heard of Hawkwind until that week, and lookitmenow!!! :) The circumstances of my introduction may explain why I enjoy the Cleopatra/Hypnotic HW-related stuff so much. E.g., I think Pressurehed is just plain k00l. :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 04:05:49 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:05:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock (was The Quest for Levitation) Message-ID: Allan wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > > There is sort of a crossover > > >story, > > >"Elric at the End of Time", which isn't too popular though I liked it... > > That one actually is Elric crossed with the Dancers at the End of Time. > Jerrry Cornelius doesn't appear in it (unless I'm just really remembering > this story wrong). Isn't JC in that as Jerek Karnelian (I've spelt that wrong I know!). I always assumed that Cornelius and Karnelian were the same character rather than differnet aspects of the same personality. Chris From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 05:12:59 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:12:59 +0000 Subject: Kate Bush (was Orgone Accumulator ) Message-ID: Hardman DK wrote: > > > > > Of course you knew of the Hawkwind/Kate Bush connection, didn't you? :-) > > (They both wrote songs about Dr. Reich.) There is another slight connection. One of the first ever lists I subscribed to was called Love-Hounds, dedicated to the disscussion of Hawkwind and Kate Bush. If anyone else was on this list then please mail me ! Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 04:15:47 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:15:47 +0100 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation Message-ID: Andy trivia wrote: > Alex a demande: > > >One question : why is there a song called "Needle gun" ? I don't recall > >reading about a needle gun (or any kind of gun, for that matter) anywhere in > >Elric's Cycle... is my memory failing me ? :-( > > This what I wrote in the "trivia" file: > (see "http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/") > > --- > Needle Gun - actually refers to Jerry Cornelius, an alternate, contemporary > version of Elric. *The Final Programme*, the first Cornelius story, is a > re-writing of *The Dreaming City* in modern dress, in which Jerry's needle > gun fills a similar role to Elric's sword Stormbringer. > --- This is half remembered from over a decade ago so don't laugh if I'm wrong... After the CotBS gig in Sheffield we hung around and had a word with Brock. Someone asked him about Needle Gun - was it a weapon that Elric used? Brock said that the song was about drugs. Make of this what you will, I make no claims for accuracy. Can you back me up on this Big Mike W? (You were there weren't you?). Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 04:26:06 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:26:06 +0100 Subject: HW:space bandits- was: my belief is better than yours.... Message-ID: Dunae wrote: > I feel that the one thing Brock has been able to do is take an average > talented musician, and use their skills to the utmost to create the best > spacerock ever heard. HLL is a quite good player/writer, and his solo stuff > is very listenable, it does not aspire to the level of his work with HW. Huw has always been one of my favourite ax-slingers. He's got a unique style, was very complementary sounding in HW. He's melodic but can be symphonic and pompous (which I like) and his sound is great. Also I love his white Les Paul custom :-) The only problem I have with him is that he can't sing - and he should stop trying now! > Each HW member alone could not be considered a great musician, but it's > like Brainstorming, the end result is a conglomeration of the talents > of all the players. A most excellent observation. And true of very many rock acts. Who ever improved by going solo? Solo albums are always worse than band albums. Chris From mumford at EUNET.NO Tue Jun 18 04:43:15 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:43:15 +0200 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation/Needlegun Message-ID: Chris Bates wrote: > > Andy trivia wrote: > > > Alex a demande: > > > > >One question : why is there a song called "Needle gun" ? I don't recall > > >reading about a needle gun (or any kind of gun, for that matter) anywhere in > > >Elric's Cycle... is my memory failing me ? :-( > > > > This what I wrote in the "trivia" file: > > (see "http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/") > > > > --- > > Needle Gun - actually refers to Jerry Cornelius, an alternate, contemporary > > version of Elric. *The Final Programme*, the first Cornelius story, is a > > re-writing of *The Dreaming City* in modern dress, in which Jerry's needle > > gun fills a similar role to Elric's sword Stormbringer. > > --- > > This is half remembered from over a decade ago so don't laugh if I'm > wrong... After the CotBS gig in Sheffield we hung around and had a word > with Brock. Someone asked him about Needle Gun - was it a weapon that > Elric used? Brock said that the song was about drugs. > > Make of this what you will, I make no claims for accuracy. Can you > back me up on this Big Mike W? (You were there weren't you?). > OK. First of all, both Jerry Cornelius and Elric are (soul) junkies. Cornelius used to shoot speed and heroin and snort cocaine. Both Elric an Yrkoon had a black sword, Stormbringer and Mournblade, and both Frank and Jerry Cornelius each had a black Needlegun (but they also used vibraguns and heat guns). Like most of the Eternal Champion's weapons, they were splinters of some evil, sentient hell-thing which plagued all of the Eternal Champions to some extent, most noticably Cornelius and Elric. Erokese had a poison black sword, and I believe Corum had a "Moonsword" or some such thing. I've read about 35 of Moorcock's books (years ago, tho') because I became so fascinated with the connections he planted throughout the books. I believe these weapons are Moorcocks metaphors for certain drugs being weapons against one's own inner demons, but all to often with a bad catch in the end (if drugs are taken for that reason alone- escape from oneself, they'll catch up with you in the end). Don't get me wrong, I don't think Moorcock would be preaching against drugs, and I wouldn't either. Its a matter of choice. Some drugs are fun, some are tools and some just kill you. Depends on the individual I suppose (and the Eternal Champions like Elric and Jerry had enough problems to deal with). Jeez, I'm rambling, but hopefully somebody knows what I'm trying to say! BTW, I have the Jerry Cornelius-flick "The Final Programme" on tape... weird little movie. Christian From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 04:42:46 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr Pepper (they call me Mister Pibb)) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:42:46 +0100 Subject: HW: needle gun response In-Reply-To: <199606180815.JAA02898@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Chris Bates wrote: > >> Alex a demande: >> >>>One question : why is there a song called "Needle gun" ? I don't recall >>>reading about a needle gun (or any kind of gun, for that matter) anywhere in >>>Elric's Cycle... is my memory failing me ? :-( > > This is half remembered from over a decade ago so don't laugh if I'm > wrong... After the CotBS gig in Sheffield we hung around and had a word > with Brock. Someone asked him about Needle Gun - was it a weapon that > Elric used? Brock said that the song was about drugs. > > Make of this what you will, I make no claims for accuracy. Can you > back me up on this Big Mike W? (You were there weren't you?). > Indeed I was, hanging around on 10th November 1985, waiting to have a chat mainly complaining about the northern winter temperatures. There are only 2 things I remember, apart from the bitterness of the night, and these are Harvey saying that they would be setting O level questions on it(*) in years to come, and managing to borrow the rest of Mr. johhny J from him(**). Oh yes, and by that time I probably wasn't complaining that my black sword pendant hadn't broken, due to it being in my possession for less than an hour. Does anyone else have an intact pendant? I seem to recall that they were made from a metal softer than solder, which insured a certain built in obsolescence. Mike w (*) it being the tour (**) if you cannot work out what a 'Mr. johnny J' is then I feel that you have not being attention at any HW gig, and if so then good for you. From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 04:44:37 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:44:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: UFO's (was Re: HW: poem advice please) Message-ID: Sonique wrote: > I have it on good authority, from another Hawkfan who is involved > with the Australian Armed Forces, that the "saucer activity" is > actually some sort of 'test' that they are doing at the moment ... he > wouldn't elaborate though .... It's clearly a faster, more efficient form of transport for the Flying Doctors..... Chris From mumford at EUNET.NO Tue Jun 18 04:48:22 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:48:22 +0200 Subject: Needlegun Message-ID: > > > --- > > > Needle Gun - actually refers to Jerry Cornelius, an alternate, contemporary > > > version of Elric. *The Final Programme*, the first Cornelius story, is a > > > re-writing of *The Dreaming City* in modern dress, in which Jerry's needle > > > gun fills a similar role to Elric's sword Stormbringer. > > > --- > > > > This is half remembered from over a decade ago so don't laugh if I'm > > wrong... After the CotBS gig in Sheffield we hung around and had a word > > with Brock. Someone asked him about Needle Gun - was it a weapon that > > Elric used? Brock said that the song was about drugs. > > > > Make of this what you will, I make no claims for accuracy. Can you > > back me up on this Big Mike W? (You were there weren't you?). > > > oops > OK. First of all, both Jerry Cornelius and Elric are (soul) junkies. > Cornelius used to shoot speed and heroin and snort cocaine. Both Elric > an Yrkoon had a black sword, Stormbringer and Mournblade, and both Frank > and Jerry Cornelius each had a black Needlegun (but they also used > vibraguns and heat guns). Like most of the Eternal Champion's weapons, > they were splinters of some evil, sentient hell-thing which plagued all > of the Eternal Champions to some extent, most noticably Cornelius and > Elric. Erokese had a poison black sword, and I believe Corum had a > "Moonsword" or some such thing. I've read about 35 of Moorcock's books > (years ago, tho') because I became so fascinated with the connections he > planted throughout the books. I believe these weapons are Moorcocks > metaphors for certain drugs being weapons against one's own inner > demons, but all to often with a bad catch in the end (if drugs are taken > for that reason alone- escape from oneself, they'll catch up with you in > the end). Don't get me wrong, I don't think Moorcock would be preaching > against drugs, and I wouldn't either. Its a matter of choice. Some drugs > are fun, some are tools and some just kill you. Depends on the > individual I suppose (and the Eternal Champions like Elric and Jerry > had enough problems to deal with). Jeez, I'm rambling, but hopefully > somebody knows what I'm trying to say! > > BTW, I have the Jerry Cornelius-flick "The Final Programme" on tape... > weird little movie. > > Christian From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 04:49:45 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:49:45 +0100 Subject: HW : HLL or not? Message-ID: Jon wrote: > When Alex was asking where to begin, I was just thinking how much I > missed Huw's sound actually! Compare the _excellant_ Xenon Codex (which > you should try, Alex) to Business Of the Future, Space Bandits or even > Alien 4. I couldn't see Huw's departure as anything but a loss. This is one of those irritating *me too* posts (mine that is not Jon's :-) Me Too! Actually it's not just Huw, it's any lead instrument for me - Simon House, maybe even Uncle Nik. HW need a musical focus to be truly awesome, don't get me wrong they're good at ambient noodling but they've always been great at space jamming and that needs a lead instrument. Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 04:57:28 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:57:28 +0100 Subject: HW: first song (was 32 tracks) Message-ID: Andrew wrote: > > Well, I suppose we could start a slew of "first song heard" messages. > > ("Lord of Light" was the first HW song I ever heard, it made an instant > > convert....) I read *Time of the Hawklords* then saw *PXR5* in a shop, bought it and quite enjoyed it. Then I got a tape of Live '79 and loved it - esp *Lighthouse*, which I now know to be NOT a true HW song! I spent many happy hours listening to that track, staring at the stars instead of revising for my 'O' levels. Spookily enough, my gf found my tape of Blakes *New Jerusalem* album at the w/e and was raving about how it was her favourite album until someone stole it many years ago... and her fave track *Lighthouse* of course! > ObAdvice: 'Mummy, Daddy, said to me....Get a job!' Aren't parents liars sometimes eh? :-) Chris From mumford at EUNET.NO Tue Jun 18 05:01:30 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:01:30 +0200 Subject: HW : HLL or not? Message-ID: Chris Bates wrote: > > Jon wrote: > > > When Alex was asking where to begin, I was just thinking how much I > > missed Huw's sound actually! Compare the _excellant_ Xenon Codex (which > > you should try, Alex) to Business Of the Future, Space Bandits or even > > Alien 4. I couldn't see Huw's departure as anything but a loss. The best post-Langton albums are Electric Tepee (one of my _gasp_ all time HW top 5 favorites - the track LSD is just an AWESOME killer of a tune, up there with trippy jams like "Seeing it as You Really Are" and "You Shouldn't do That". An extremely trippy album, fuggin A!!) and the Business Trip. I highy recommend Electric Tepee!!!! Alex: rush out and buy it!! Xenon Codex is probably my favorite 80s HW album. Christian From lansford at VNET.NET Tue Jun 18 05:21:49 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:21:49 GMT Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator In-Reply-To: <960617044435_218814238@emout14.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Andy Gilham wrote: >The Hawkwind "trivia" file once again: > >--- >Orgone Accumulator - refers to the scientific theories of Dr Wilhelm Reich. > In his theory, "orgone" was a vital force, permeating the universe, which >could be collected in "orgone boxes", and used to cure certain diseases. > This theory failed to gain widespread acceptance. An orgone box is a sort >of upright coffin made of alternate layers of metal and an insulator - >sitting inside is supposed to charge up a person and cure a few ailments from >the common cold to cancer. Reich died in prison in the US prosecuted for >promoting a fraudulent treatment. He was very clearly mentally ill near the >end of his life, and his persecution by the US Food and Drugs Authority, >which resulted in his imprisonment, is a really shocking story. >--- There's an "alternative therapy" place in the NC mountains that uses "orgone blankets" as an accompaniment to massage therapy. They were selling the blankets at a conference I attended several years ago. I'll post the address if I can find it; as I recall, they also offered the blankets by mail order. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Political campaigns have about them the same excitement as a prizefight. Campaigns, however, are not nearly as orderly as professional boxing matches. - Ansolabehere and Iyengar -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Jun 18 11:05:13 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:05:13 BST Subject: HW:space bandits- was: my belief is better than yours.... In-Reply-To: Chris Bates's message of Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:26:06 +0100 Message-ID: > The only > problem I have with him is that he can't sing - and he should stop > trying now! I wonder if I would like Rocky Paths, Waiting For Tomorrow, Sea King, and Dreaming City if Dave sang them instead of Huw? > > Each HW member alone could not be considered a great musician, but it's > > like Brainstorming, the end result is a conglomeration of the talents > > of all the players. I like the sleeve notes to Doremi, which describe the band as communicating in a language that none of them understand... Dave. From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 07:06:15 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:06:15 +0000 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator A WWW page Message-ID: You can find out more about Wilhelm Reich and Orgone Accumulators At: http://www.ime.net/~pore/ Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 07:17:26 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:17:26 +0000 Subject: Live 1974 News Message-ID: Check out : http://www.hawkwind.com/hawknews.htm For news of the live 1974 album -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Jun 18 03:27:27 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 07:27:27 +0000 Subject: HW: CotBS Lyrics Message-ID: > > Yeah, you're probably right, must be for atmosphere... There are stylized > letters on the page which I thought at first must read "Arioch" - and that's > why I thought they were the lyrics to that song - but apparently they're not > even letters, just some kind of weird (but cool) drawing !no, you were right. i looked again, and it does indeed spell arioch. A R I O C H like that. rj From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 07:54:43 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:54:43 +0100 Subject: HW : HLL or not? In-Reply-To: <31C6706A.77D7@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jun 18, 96 11:01:30 am Message-ID: > The best post-Langton albums are Electric Tepee (one of my _gasp_ all > time HW top 5 favorites - the track LSD is just an AWESOME killer of a > tune, up there with trippy jams like "Seeing it as You Really Are" and > "You Shouldn't do That". An extremely trippy album, fuggin A!!) and the > Business Trip. I highy recommend Electric Tepee!!!! _ET_ is pretty good, though suffers from an overabundance of meandering instrumentals. _Palace Springs_ gets my vote as best post Huw HW album, possibly best post-Lemmy (gasp!) Hawkwind album. OK, the cover two Lemmy-era tunes on it, but the version of "Assault & Battery/Golden Void" is very close to something I would consider the utter summation of Hawkwind :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 07:57:59 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:57:59 +0100 Subject: Live 1974 News In-Reply-To: <31C68236.79C4@mic.dundee.ac.uk> from "Andy Cobley" at Jun 18, 96 11:17:26 am Message-ID: > Check out : > http://www.hawkwind.com/hawknews.htm > For news of the live 1974 album And I guess the question is, although the UK dates certainly have Lemmy do the US dates have Lemmy? I thought Lemmy didn't leave until late-74 or 75? Becoming confused ... (standard Hawkfan state, really ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 13:54:49 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:54:49 BST Subject: OFF: PTree in NYC In-Reply-To: Keith A Henderson's message of Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:02:26 -0400 Message-ID: Keith A Henderson writes: > Hi Folks.... > > For those of you in the NYC area, here is the info on the pre-ProgScape concert > that Porcupine Tree will be doing. If you're interested in space rock (which > you *should* be :) ), you should make it a point to get to this gig. Yep, I saw 'em in Edinburgh in May and they were absolutely astounding. If you've ever liked a Pink Floyd album, you'll love this band. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 13:58:39 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:58:39 BST Subject: HW: CotBS Lyrics In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:17:51 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > By the way, a great first cut at understanding all the discrepancies > is to get yourself a copy of the cannonical lyrics file and the > Hawkwind Codex, both available from Mike Holmes, who posts here under > the name FoFP. That'd be the lyrics with the 20 gun salute? > Steve > swann at panix.com FoFP From mumford at EUNET.NO Tue Jun 18 09:01:24 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:01:24 +0200 Subject: HW : HLL or not? Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > _Palace Springs_ gets my vote as best post > Huw HW album, possibly best post-Lemmy (gasp!) Hawkwind album. OK, > the cover two Lemmy-era tunes on it, but the version of "Assault & > Battery/Golden Void" is very close to something I would consider the > utter summation of Hawkwind :) > No way!! The best post-Lemmy HW album's gotta be Quark, Strangeness & Charm, my 2nd favorite HW album of all time. Palace Springs to me is just a decent re-tread of past glories....... PXR5, Levitation & Xenon Codex are far better than PS in my opinion....... Different folks, different strokes, I guess..... Christian From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 14:18:54 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:18:54 BST Subject: HW : re-HLL or not? In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:52:11 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > Now we are discussing _serious_ pipedream :) I was going to > settle for just _one_ bass player and _one_ synth player. Simon > would be wishful thinking, and stranger things have happened than > having Del join, but I would hold out no hope at all for anything > but guest appearances from Lemmy and Nik--and Blake doesn't even > bother to mess about with Gong! ;) However, Blake is said to be working on a bew studio album. If it's anything like the quality of New Jerusalem it'll be a killer but if it's anything like Majick then I think the guy's music career will be over. > Carl FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 14:23:10 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:23:10 BST Subject: HW: first song (was 32 tracks) In-Reply-To: Keith A Henderson's message of Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:15:27 -0400 Message-ID: Keith A Henderson writes: > > >Let me clarify that I was joking about "Good Morning" and "Zone", as those > > >are tracks frequently slagged by HW fans here. I guess the song most likely > > >to be heard first would be "Silver Machine", which, in most forms, shouldn't > > >make too bad an impression. > > > > Well, I suppose we could start a slew of "first song heard" messages. > > ("Lord of Light" was the first HW song I ever heard, it made an instant > > convert....) > > Mine was 'Quark, Strangeness, and Charm' in 1980, and although that particular > song wasn't really the one that instantly converted me to Hawkwindism, the > album as a whole made me go out and buy 'Space Ritual'. I was surprised at how > different it was, but then I loved that one just as much (or more). What > finally sealed it was getting 'Levitation' on tape next, and listening to it > virtually every night (on headphones, of course) for about six months. Funny > thing is, these first three albums I got are three of my current four > favourites (the other being 'Warrior'). Yeah, my conversion to Hawkwind occured as a roommate constantly played WotEoT and HotMG. I really liked "Magnu" and "You'd Better Believe It". I was also reading more or less all of the Eternal Champion books when the similarity of The Wizard Blew His Horn to the Corum books struck me. "Hang On" I thought and looked at the liner notes, "Moorcock? Hmmmm, I should give this band a listen..." And within six months I had all the albums plus most of the singles and had organised a minibus to the 1977 tour. The rest, as they say, is history. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 14:25:21 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:25:21 BST Subject: HW: poem advice please In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:33:29 BST Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > Can anyone tell me who the author(s) are for: > > "Mark of Cain" > "Beast of Chaos" Beast of Chaos has gotta be Calvert judging by the quirkiness of the comparisons in the lyrics. Mark of Cain I'd hazard would be Langton. FoFP From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Jun 18 09:35:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:35:00 EDT Subject: HW: Palace Springs debate Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > _Palace Springs_ gets my vote as best post > Huw HW album, Christian countered with: >Palace Springs to me is just a decent re-tread of past glories. Palace Springs, while quite good, has always struck me as too cerebral and lacking the visceral tugs of good HW. Somehow after I listen to it I'm more somber. I prefer the Calif. Brainstorm CD from the same tour (even without the extra song of the import version). It lacks the post gig doctoring and smooth sound, but it livelys up myself (to steal from Bob Marley) so much more. Part of that old spark was some lead instrument, often Huw. Business Trip is more stirring than PS and I suspect, Lords of Light. I like my mind to travel on spacey music, but I don't want anesthesia with my ambience. Something like the heavy beat of The Day A Wall Came Down is needed in a gig or live album to spark things up. The songs on PS are great individually, but combined they are a depressant. Rudy From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Jun 18 09:35:07 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:35:07 -0400 Subject: Live 1974 News Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-18 07:59:57 EDT, you write: > And I guess the question is, although the UK dates certainly have >Lemmy do the US dates have Lemmy? I thought Lemmy didn't leave until >late-74 or 75? > > I don't believe Lemmy ever made it to the states for this tour-the closest he got was the Canadien border. I remember the NYC show was cancelled as a result. I still have the unused tickets lying around somewhere. regards, Bill Stewart From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Tue Jun 18 10:01:47 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:01:47 +0200 Subject: HW: space bandits Message-ID: Chris Bates wrote : >> Each HW member alone could not be considered a great musician, but it's >> like Brainstorming, the end result is a conglomeration of the talents >> of all the players. > >A most excellent observation. And true of very many rock acts. Who ever >improved by going solo? Bryan Ferry ? Sting ? (at least his first) Roger Hogdson ? (well, maybe that wasn't an improvement, but his first solo was quite impressive) There are probably a few others out there I can't think of right now... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Tue Jun 18 10:09:19 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 00:09:19 +1000 Subject: HW:space bandits- was: my belief is better than yours.... In-Reply-To: <199606180826.JAA02901@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Chris Bates wrote: > > Huw has always been one of my favourite ax-slingers. He's got a > unique style, was very complementary sounding in HW. He's melodic > but can be symphonic and pompous (which I like) and his sound > is great. Also I love his white Les Paul custom :-) The only > problem I have with him is that he can't sing - and he should stop > trying now! > Okay then!! All you UK guys- What is HLL doing now? Is the LLG still happening, and can *anybody* give me a discography? I really like Huw's sound and style, and yes, I even like a couple of his solo albums. :) Troy Harris From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Jun 18 10:12:40 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:12:40 +0200 Subject: HW : Hot news - NEW album! Message-ID: Hi >This is EMI we're talking about, not Bernard! I mean, Bernard knows of >gigs even Dave doesn't remember :) Thanks for the flowers Jon. :-)) You won't believe it but before the gig in Hengelo (Holland) on 09.Dec.1993 I had the chance to speak with Dave Brock for about 20 minutes And I took the chance and gave Dave my giglist. Of course I didn't mention the tapes ;-)) Dave said: Hey, did we really make all these gigs, more than 1400 ?? Can't believe it! I said: Yes you did I suppose the the LIVE 1974 will be from the second Edmonton gig, 26.01.1974. I know for sure that the COMPLETE gig was recorded Also recorded was a gig on the US tour in spring 1974 BTW: I'd like to know where the LOVE IN SPACE record was recorded. Any suggestions? cu Bernhard From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Jun 18 11:28:18 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:28:18 EST Subject: HW : Hot news - NEW album! Message-ID: To quote the web page (http://www.hawkwind.com/hawknews.htm): 'Research for EMI Premier...uncovered some master tapes from the early 1974 US and UK tours....In particular, the recording of the 25th January 1974 Edmonton Sundown gig...and two shows from Chicago recorded on the 21st and 22nd March 1974. 'Two of the recordings are not clear enough for production (too much audience noise), but the first night in Chicago will be mixed down for release later in the year. These recordings are _not_ bootlegs and were taken direct from the mixing desk...' Another comment (from Doug Sniff) implies that Lemmy will not be present, but Simon House will be. I'm glad to see that there is finally SOME kind of "official" information source for hawknews. (Hey, I'll take what I can get!) :-) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObJamming: Strobe 'See Beyond the Sun' From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Jun 18 10:33:40 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:33:40 +0200 Subject: Live 1974 News Message-ID: Hi there > Becoming confused ... (standard Hawkfan state, really ;) Why beeing confused. Here are the facts: > And I guess the question is, although the UK dates certainly have >Lemmy do the US dates have Lemmy? I thought Lemmy didn't leave until >late-74 or 75? Lemmys 1st gig: August 1971 Lemmys last gig: around 18.05.1975 If the LIVE 1974 is really a 1974 recording I am 99% sure that it is WITH Lemmy. The 1% is the small chance that Lemmy was drunken or full with Amphetamins this day Bernhard From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jun 18 10:37:03 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:37:03 -0400 Subject: HW: CotBS Lyrics Message-ID: SKARSOL writes: > > > But my sleeve gives me the following lyrics, which I can't seem to > > find anywhere in the songs : > > > > Arioch, I summon thee, Lord of Seven Darks > > Arioch, I summon thee, put fire in my heart > > Arioch, I summon thee, can you hear my plea ? > > Arioch, I summon thee in my hour of need > > > > I thought they should be in the track titled "Arioch", but this one > > apparently is an instrumental. So I'm puzzled !ok, i've found these words in my sleeve,but i assume they are merely there for > atmosphere, as they are the only lyrics in the booklet without a title. rj If you have the Griffin release of _Chronicle of the Black Sword_ (which you almost certainly do, since all other CD releases of it that I know of had mimimal liner notes, and certainly no lyrics), then be aware that the illustrations and lyrics included in it are in fact a black and white reproduction of the tour book of the _Chronicle of the Black Sword_ tour. The "summoning of Arioch" sequence was one of the theatrical "spoken word" parts of the concert (like the summoning of Magnu, the "drowning" of Elric, etc). It's all on _Live Chronicles_, but not on _Chronicle of the Black Sword_. Although it's not totally relevant to the studio album, I thought it was very nice of Griffin to reproduce the tour book as part of the liner notes, for people who haven't had a chance to see the original. It's too bad they didn't do a color reproduction, though. Some of the art is really beautiful. I also thought it was very good of Griffin to include both the original front and back color plates from the vinyl release of _CotBS_, even though they *also* included a Robert Gould (sp?) cover of their own! How on earth did Hawkwind actually manage to associate themselves with such a great, conscientious record company? Did Doug Smith fall asleep at the wheel? Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jun 18 10:38:51 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:38:51 -0400 Subject: HW: CotBS Lyrics Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > Stephen Swann writes: > > > By the way, a great first cut at understanding all the discrepancies > > is to get yourself a copy of the cannonical lyrics file and the > > Hawkwind Codex, both available from Mike Holmes, who posts here under > > the name FoFP. > > That'd be the lyrics with the 20 gun salute? Blow it out your porthole, Holmes. :) Steve swann at panix.com From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 15:44:12 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:44:12 BST Subject: HW: future reconstructions In-Reply-To: Ken Alexander's message of Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:51:18 -0400 Message-ID: Ken Alexander writes: > Saw this in ear at xmission.com's pre-order list: > > *Hawkwind-Future Reconstructions DLP/CD EBSSLP117/EBSCD117 $18.00/$18.00 > Hawkwind's best known tracks remixed by Utah Saints, Zion Train, Salt > Tank, Luke Slater's Translucent, Knights of the Occasional Table, Optic > Eye, and many udders. 10 track CD, and 6 track DLP which has an > exclusive, vinyl-only Astralasia remix. Should appeal to the trad > hairball space-rock freaks as well as twinkle-toe dance geeks. > (Emergency Broadcast System) Wasn't this going to be called "Solstice Remixes"? FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 11:19:17 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:19:17 +0100 Subject: HW: CotBS Lyrics In-Reply-To: <199606181437.KAA23288@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jun 18, 96 10:37:03 am Message-ID: Re: Griffin > How on earth did Hawkwind actually manage to associate themselves with > such a great, conscientious record company? Did Doug Smith fall > asleep at the wheel? I guess so, considering he seems to be trying to bollix it all up now ... :P Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 11:21:34 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:21:34 +0100 Subject: HW : Hot news - NEW album! In-Reply-To: <9606181028.A17682@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Jun 18, 96 10:28:18 am Message-ID: > Another comment (from Doug Sniff) implies that Lemmy will not be > present, but Simon House will be. I'm glad to see that there is > finally SOME kind of "official" information source for hawknews. > (Hey, I'll take what I can get!) :-) Although what we can get is highly confusing, considering the implication from Mr. Actonium that Lemmy is absent, combined with the claim that these shows are from '74, combined with Bernard's observation that Lemmy didn't leave until May of '75! Sounds like the usual Hawkwind conundrum to me! :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 18 11:22:41 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:22:41 +0100 Subject: Live 1974 News In-Reply-To: <199606181433.QAA20963@exit.ruhr.de> from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Jun 18, 96 04:33:40 pm Message-ID: > If the LIVE 1974 is really a 1974 recording I am 99% sure that it is WITH Lemmy. > > The 1% is the small chance that Lemmy was drunken or full with Amphetamins > this day Although judging from later evidence this would by no means necessarily prevent him from performing ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Jun 18 11:50:20 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:50:20 +0200 Subject: Live 1974 News Message-ID: At 16:22 18.06.96 +0100, you wrote: >> The 1% is the small chance that Lemmy was drunken or full with >>Amphetamins this day > > Although judging from later evidence this would by no means >necessarily prevent him from performing ;) Thats true. But maybe he was lying behind the stage in his own vomit ;-)) To be serious now. What we know now is that it will be the recording from the Chicago gig on 21.03.1974, Auditorium Theatre. There is no reason (except what you see above) why Lemmy was not there. I suppose that good old Doug has problems with the years 1974 and 1975 Bernhard From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Jun 18 16:55:44 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:55:44 BST Subject: HW : Hot news - NEW album! In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:21:34 +0100 Message-ID: > Although what we can get is highly confusing, considering the > implication from Mr. Actonium that Lemmy is absent, combined with the > claim that these shows are from '74, combined with Bernard's observation > that Lemmy didn't leave until May of '75! Hey, these guys can fly sideways through time, so just about anything is possible... Dave. From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Tue Jun 18 09:06:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:06:00 -0400 Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: >From: jean l delacour >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: BOCbase >Date: Monday, June 17, 1996 6:13PM > >On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Jerry wrote: > >> Manuel, >> >> >Just let me know when and I'll break out all the info I have on tour dates. >> >I concur with you comment that there is not enough time, but when you begin >> >I'll be more that happy to provide the info that I have for you and the >> >people on the list to see as well. >> >> If you send it, I will type in a couple of lines every time. We'll get there! >> :-) So, send me the list and amaze me! >> >> Thanks, >> Jerry >> > > >Jerry- > >Sounds good. How do you want me to list the tour dates? >For examle, should we begin from the past and work our way up to now, or >vis versa? Do you want to do one year at a time? > >Please let me know and I'll start listing a little info at a time, to in- >clude as much info that is known on each specific date. > >Sounds like it's gonna be alot of work, but fun at the same time. > >God bless... > >Manuel > >Jean Delacour >University of New Mexico >Parish Library >Alb, NM 87131-1496 >delacour at unm.edu > And to think I started all this by asking if there existed a BOCbase anywhere on the web. Well, I think I'll just go hide in the corner now. :-) Chris From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Tue Jun 18 09:14:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:14:00 -0400 Subject: HW:Sightings Message-ID: >From: Paul Mather >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: HW:Sightings >Date: Monday, June 17, 1996 11:48PM > >On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Martyn Lawrence wrote: > >> Hi >> just seen these selected Hawkgoodies here in Melbourne. >> >> Love in Space CD $AUS 36.00 Greville Records, > >I was just wondering: what's the going rate for the new _Love in Space_ >2CD in the UK and the US? My local shop has an import EBS copy for $23, >which seems pretty fair for an import double CD. Is _Love in Space_ >going to be released domestically in the US, or does Doug Smiff not like >the idea of that? > Just picked up a copy of Love in Space (finally) at the local Virgin Megastore here in San Francisco for $25.95. Amazingly they still have another 5 or 6 copies there. Chris >Cheers, > >Paul. > >obCD: Dark, _Dark_ > >e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. > From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Tue Jun 18 12:13:10 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:13:10 -0400 Subject: HW : Hot news - NEW album! Message-ID: > Although what we can get is highly confusing, considering the > implication from Mr. Actonium that Lemmy is absent, combined with the > claim that these shows are from '74, combined with Bernard's observation > that Lemmy didn't leave until May of '75! Well wait a minute, one piece of information was that the setlist was different than all on the other shows on the tour, if Lemmy was unable to play for ahum, medicinal reasons (which had been noted to happen as I recall) then could we be looking at the "alternate-no-bassist setlist" ??? Now that'd be wierd ! Berhnard, do you have the setlist for this show, and a comparison one, maybe we can figure this out. Cheers, Steve L. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Jun 18 12:36:46 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:36:46 -0400 Subject: OFF: PTree in NYC In-Reply-To: <199606171502.LAA22614@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at Jun 17, 96 11:02:26 am Message-ID: Hello, again.... One more bit of info on this gig which might be important, dependent upon the size of this club.... > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > To all of the desperate and miffed U.S. Porcupine Tree fans: > > There will be one New York gig: > Thursday June 27th @ Don Hills (the corner of Spring and Greenwich > Streets) > This will be a special U.S. debut showcase with their guests/labelmates, > Poppyseed. > The show will be from 7-10pm AND there will be grab bag giveaways, etc. AND > because we love their fans so much and want to give you an incentive to go > (no matter where you live), it only costs $5!!!!!!!!!!! > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ There will be no advance tickets sold for the event. It is purely first come, first served. Hope that is not too inconvenient. Hope to see everyone there!!!!! Keith H. From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Jun 18 12:38:17 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:38:17 +0200 Subject: HW : Hot news - NEW album! Message-ID: At 12:13 18.06.96 -0400, you wrote: Hi >Berhnard, do you have the setlist for this show, and a comparison one, >maybe we can figure this out. Unfortunately not. But what I have got here is the tracklist of the NY show from 05.April 1974. It is: 05.04.74, PHILADELPHIA, TOWER THEATRE intro / standing at the edge / lord of light / psychedelic warlords / wind of change / warriors / brainstorm / seven by seven / watcher / awakening / paradox / you'd better believe it / d-rider / sonic attack / master of the universe / welcome Don't believe that the band played a very different set in Chicago... Bernhard From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Tue Jun 18 09:45:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:45:00 -0400 Subject: HW: LIS Lyric Question Message-ID: Hi folks, Lyric question from the new album: What exactly is a TEKO TEKO, you know as in cutting all that information about tribe, etc into your body? Just wondering. Chris From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Jun 18 12:42:59 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:42:59 +0200 Subject: HW: Hot news - NEW album! Message-ID: >In the words of Doug Smith, >"Everyone remembers that tour for Lemmy's inglorious departure, but it was actually a >huge success, not least for Simon House's induction on keyboards. And the set was >quite different in places to that played to UK audiences." This is a contradiction!!! - Simon House joined for the spring USA 1974 tour - Lemmy left summer 1975 during the USA tour Bernhard From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jun 18 21:46:19 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:46:19 PDT Subject: Amsterdam meeting point Message-ID: >>Well I know what? You can get enough at the Bulldog! :-) >What Time? I think I will be there at eight. Have a little time to do things you want to do before the show starts. Whatever that might be... See you there, Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jun 18 21:40:05 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:40:05 PDT Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: >Sounds good. How do you want me to list the tour dates? >For examle, should we begin from the past and work our way up to now, or >vis versa? Do you want to do one year at a time? I put up the list chronologically; oldest dates first. Er, one year at a time sounds good. I don't know how long your list is, but if you have a lot of info, maybe that would be best. I guess I should divide BOCgigs into two parts - it's already over 40 Kb. >Please let me know and I'll start listing a little info at a time, to in- >clude as much info that is known on each specific date. Well, go ahead. If I don't have the time, it will just have to wait in my BOC folder! :-) >Sounds like it's gonna be alot of work, but fun at the same time. We're having fun already! :-) Primary reason is to get a comprehensive BOC guide. Thanks, Jerry From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Jun 18 17:51:27 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:51:27 BST Subject: Live 1974 News In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:50:20 +0200 Message-ID: > What we know now is that it will be the recording from the Chicago gig on > 21.03.1974, Auditorium Theatre. What's the track listing? Anything from HotMG or Warrior? Dave. From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jun 18 20:31:10 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:31:10 PDT Subject: Amsterdam meeting point Message-ID: RJ, >> For all your HW fans coming to the Amsterdam gig... >> On the Leidseplein there's a bar / coffeeshop called The Bulldog. Everyone >> knows that one. I'll be wearing a... (don't laugh) Red Dwarf t-shirt. It's >> the most distinct t-shirt I have, I guess. >> You can reach Leidseplein by tram from Central Station: lines 1, 2, and 5 >> to Leidseplein. When you get out at Leidseplein, cross the tram's rails >> you see the Bulldog right in front of you. Can't miss it. We'll meet in >> there. >do you know where this is in relation to the nova hotel on nieuwezijds >voorburgwal? not sure but i thiink it's the same area. Trams 1, 2 and 5 all stop on the Nieuwezijds Voorburgwal, which is near Central Station. From Central Station it takes about 10 minutes by tram. It depends on where you get on the tram on Nieuwezijds Voorburgwal; probably 5 to 8 minutes or so. I don't know where Hotel Nova is exactly, but if it's on Nieuwezijds Voorburgwal, you on the way! >i'll be wearin a smile.;) :-) I should be able to recognize! See you there, Jerry PS. Let me try this... (# = tram railway tracks) Central Station ---- railway ----XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX---- railway -------------- ######## # # trams 1, 2 & 5 ######## X Info Centre # # # Nieuwezijds # Voorburgwal # # # ## Spui (square) # ################## Leidse- plein When you exit Central Station you see the tram stops. Get on the 1, 2 or 5. For the trams and buses, you need a "strippenkaart" (zone card) - obtainable from the ticket-windows at Central Station, or at the Info Center right across the street at Central Station. The tram driver or conductor will stamp the zone cards, or you can use the yellow stamp machines. I always stamp two zones for Leidseplein. At the end of Nieuwezijds Voorburgwal is a square called Spui (impossible for me write that down phonetically to let you know how to pronounce that). That is about halfway to Leidseplein. From there you cross about three or four canals befor you arrive at Leidseplein. From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jun 18 21:01:39 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:01:39 PDT Subject: FW: I just saw this... Message-ID: >> Top 10 reasons computers must be male: >> (annotated version: a male's response) >> ======================================== >> 10. They have a lot of data but are still clueless. >> (Sounds like a brunette). >> 9. A better model is always just around the corner. >> (See reference: Women run in packs) >> 8. They look nice and shiny until you bring them home. >> (Women: Especially when drunk) >> 7. It is always necessary to have a backup. >> (hence, the term MISTRESS) >> 6. They'll do whatever you say if you push the right buttons. >> (Then again, so do redheads) >> 5. The best part of having either one is the games you can play. >> (applies to bedroom golf as well) >> 4. In order to get their attention, you have to turn them on. >> (Blondes have that problem, too) >> 3. The lights are on but nobody's home. >> (TYPICAL BLONDE) >> 2. Big power surges knock them out for the night. >> (Can you say 'cum-drunk'?) >> 1. Size does matter >> (They retire artillery when the rifling's shot >> out, too, don't they?) From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Jun 18 13:02:40 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:02:40 +0200 Subject: HW : Hot news - NEW album! Message-ID: Hi folks, here are the different track listings from the UK and the USA tour at the beginning of 1974 Doug Smith mentioned that the Chicago gig was very different to the UK gigs Judge for yourself please: 04.02.74, DUBLIN, NATIONAL STADIUM intro / standing at the edge / brainbox pollution / it's so easy / only dreaming / warrior on the edge of time / brainstorm / seven by seven / watcher / awakening / paradox / you'd better believe it / d-rider / sonic attack / master of the universe / welcome / orgone accumulator / you shouldn't do that 05.04.74, PHILADELPHIA, TOWER THEATRE intro / standing at the edge / lord of light / psychedelic warlords / wind of change / warriors / brainstorm / seven by seven / watcher / awakening / paradox / you'd better believe it / d-rider / sonic attack / master of the universe / welcome Bernhard From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 18 13:42:07 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:42:07 -0400 Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: Chris sez: >And to think I started all this by asking if there existed a BOCbase anywhere on the web. Well, I think I'll just go hide in the corner now. :-) Yeah, the BOC FAQ started in a similar fashion . . . :-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 18 13:48:57 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:48:57 -0400 Subject: Off: Lemmy Message-ID: Since I've seen serveral HW posts mentioning Lemmy, and since someone also mentioned Metallica and their new single, "Until it Sleeps" (which I happen to like, although parallels to "The Reaper" are tenuous at best, IMHO), I thought I'd post this. The CD single of Metallica's "Until It Sleeps" has as a second track, "Overkill" which I believe is not on the album - Lemmy has a writing credit (I think he plays on it as well - memory fails here), and the liner notes indicate it being played on Lemmy's 50th birthday. John From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Tue Jun 18 13:51:48 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:51:48 +0200 Subject: HW: CotBS Lyrics Message-ID: >> Yeah, you're probably right, must be for atmosphere... There are stylized >> letters on the page which I thought at first must read "Arioch" - and that's >> why I thought they were the lyrics to that song - but apparently they're not >> even letters, just some kind of weird (but cool) drawing ! > >no, you were right. i looked again, and it does indeed spell arioch. > > A R > I > O > C H >like that. rj > Ooohh... I checked again and indeed, you are right ! Send shivers down my spine... brrr... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 18 12:48:54 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:48:54 +0100 Subject: OFF: solo work In-Reply-To: <199606181401.QAA08080@lorien.imaginet.fr> Message-ID: In message <199606181401.QAA08080 at lorien.imaginet.fr>, "Alex S. Garcia" writes >Bryan Ferry ? >Sting ? (at least his first) >Roger Hogdson ? (well, maybe that wasn't an improvement, but his first solo >was quite impressive) > >There are probably a few others out there I can't think of right now... > > > >Alex S. Garcia. Which solo album by Ferry exactly was better than either of the first two Roxy LPs? -- Jon Browne From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Tue Jun 18 15:14:32 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:14:32 -0500 Subject: Love in Space US$ In-Reply-To: <960617235246_416337384@emout15.mail.aol.com> from "Jerome Kekatos" at Jun 17, 96 11:52:47 pm Message-ID: > > I got quoted $35 for the import double CD Love in Space from a little shop in > Evanston IL that has a somewhat HW fanatic owner. Want to see if the major > discount chains will pick it up... > > HMS wiz > Where? Where? Thanks in advance! -- "Illiteracy is the ultimate form of censorship. You do not need to burn a book or ban a book if someone cannot read it." Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6134 From jguizar at EPIX.NET Tue Jun 18 11:02:57 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:02:57 +0100 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator In-Reply-To: <9606170814.AA02747@sun1.bham.ac.uk> Message-ID: In <9606170814.AA02747 at sun1.bham.ac.uk>, on 06/17/96 at 09:14 AM, Derrick Chilton said: >Don't know if this has arisen before, but I found out that this mad >scientist called Riech? invented a Orgone Accumulator in the 1930-40's. >Apparently 'Orgones' were given off during sex, and the machine was >supposed to collect this 'energy', this was carried out in a small roon >where the unsuspecting couple were lead...... That made me think about that Woody Allen movie "Sleeper" and that sex machine that was in it ( and that ball that got you wasted when you rubbed it) ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Tue Jun 18 16:11:51 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:11:51 -0500 Subject: HW: The Quest for Levitation In-Reply-To: from "Le Monsieur Damon" at Jun 14, 96 02:21:29 pm Message-ID: > > > >To reassure you fans, I didn't really find the songs bland (though one of > > >them, the first I think, did sound a bit repetitive on some sections). In > > How dare you accuse Hawkwind of ever being repetitive :-) > So are you saying that Hawkwind is sometimes repetitive? :) > > Anyway, yes, I agree that "Levitation, Levitation, LeviTAYtion!" does get > a bit repetitive. > Redundantly repetitive. -- "Illiteracy is the ultimate form of censorship. You do not need to burn a book or ban a book if someone cannot read it." Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6134 From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Jun 18 16:52:53 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:52:53 -0400 Subject: Amsterdam meeting point Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-18 12:52:40 EDT, you write: > >I think I will be there at eight. Have a little time to do things you want to >do before the show starts. Whatever that might be... > >See you there, >Jerry > > 8 it is. regards, Bill Stewart From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Jun 18 17:22:38 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:22:38 -0400 Subject: HW:Orgone Accumulator In-Reply-To: <199606182004.QAA21544@epix.net> from "Jerry Guizar" at Jun 18, 96 04:02:57 pm Message-ID: Jerry said.... > > >Don't know if this has arisen before, but I found out that this mad > >scientist called Riech? invented a Orgone Accumulator in the 1930-40's. > >Apparently 'Orgones' were given off during sex, and the machine was > >supposed to collect this 'energy', this was carried out in a small roon > >where the unsuspecting couple were lead...... > > That made me think about that Woody Allen movie "Sleeper" and that sex > machine that was in it ( and that ball that got you wasted when you rubbed > it) Of course, that would be the 'Orgasmatron', the device that (I assume) was the inspiration for Lemmy's album/song of the same name. Cool movie/Cool album. Keith H. (FAA) "I'll see you all later, when I through with my accumulator......" From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Jun 18 17:26:35 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:26:35 -0400 Subject: Off: Lemmy In-Reply-To: <199606181748.NAA12030@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Jun 18, 96 01:48:57 pm Message-ID: John said... > > Since I've seen serveral HW posts mentioning Lemmy, and since someone also > mentioned Metallica and their new single, "Until it Sleeps" (which I happen > to like, although parallels to "The Reaper" are tenuous at best, IMHO), I > thought I'd post this. The CD single of Metallica's "Until It Sleeps" has > as a second track, "Overkill" which I believe is not on the album - Lemmy > has a writing credit (I think he plays on it as well - memory fails here), > and the liner notes indicate it being played on Lemmy's 50th birthday. Presumably, this is just their live version (from that birthday party) of the old Motorhead song, from the album of the same name. Hence, the writing credit....is it Kilmister/Clarke/Taylor??? Was this the first 'thrash' song in existence??? I can't remember any earlier MH songs that were quite as fast and furious. I suppose it's a matter of opinion.... Keith H. (FAA) From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Jun 18 17:38:29 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:38:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: Groundhogs In-Reply-To: <199606181748.NAA12030@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Jun 18, 96 01:48:57 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks.... This has only a slight relevance to HW I suppose, but there's a guy out there searching for info on the Groundhogs for a history that TSMcPhee is working on himself. Seems as though he can't remember all the gigs he's done, just like Brock.... :) Anyway, they're looking for someone out there who's seen or knows about the 1972 US tour they did....and perhaps other info as well...can't be sure. Anyway, here's the original posting I saw (below). Keith H. (FAA) PS Of course, for those of you interested, the slight relevances would be that Dave Anderson was involved with the Groundhogs at one point (not sure when), and that TSMcPhee was on some of the UK Amon Duul stuff (along with the Ozrics and Bob Calvert), when they recorded in Powys, Wales at Anderson's studio. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tony McPhee the Featured member of the Groundhogs, a British Blues/Progressive Rock band that had success mostly in the late '60's and '70's, is writing a book and needs help about concert dates, places and what you may remember from the 1972 USA Tour. I beleive they toured with the Rolling Stones. Photos would also help. Your local public library may have articles from that year. Tony is still performing and recording. You can email or mail me with all information. Thank you. If you are still a fan and have dusted off your lps or picked up re-issues on CD? Please let me hear from you. Write: CDM PO BOX 57-8835 Graceland Station Chicago, Il. 60657-8835 -- Keith Folk CD Marathon Music Catalog email...cdm at ripco.com From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Tue Jun 18 17:34:56 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:34:56 CDT Subject: HW: covers tapes Message-ID: >These just arrived - nice packaging! Good sound too considering the >quality of some of the tapes we must have sent. Many thanks to >everyone who must have put in a lot of time and work to do these. Yes! I love them too. Thanks to Alan, Dave, Captain Cloud and all the *contributors* for a collection of near impossible to find songs. Another successful project for boc-l! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Doug Bates Systems Analyst Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham Voice (205) 934-9087 Fax (205) 975-7129 Email dbates at uab.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Jun 18 18:28:29 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:28:29 -0600 Subject: BOCbase In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And so it begins..... Some dates to add are as follows; DATE CITY VENUE INFO/VERIFICATION 79-08-05 San Diego, CA Jack Murphy Stadium (W/Cheap Trick, UFO, PT}. 79-08-24 Los Angeles, CA UCLA Pauley Pavillion (Ticket stub, flyer) 79-08-25 Los Angeles, CA UCLA Pauley Pavillion (Flyer) 80-09-05 Long Beach, CA Long Beach Arena (Ticket stub) 80-09-07 San Bernardino, CA Orange Show Stadium (LA Times ad) 81-07-26 Los Angeles, CA Sports Arena (Ticket stub) 81-10-21 Toledo, OH Sports Arena (Radio flyer, FM104) 91-04-30 Albuquerque, NM Confetti's (Ticket stub, ad) 91-11-02 Albuquerque, NM Confetti's (Ticket stub) 91-11-03 Lubbock, TX ?? (Asked band) 93-05-31 Albuquerque, NM Midnight Rodeo (Ticket stub) 93-06-01 Tucson, AZ ?? (Asked T. Cedrone) 94-06-08 Albuquerque, NM Zipperz (Ticket stub, flyer) 94-09-10 San Juan Capistrano, CA Coach House (Ticket stub) 94-11-0? Phoenix, AZ State Fairgrounds (Ticketmaster ad) 96-03-23 Farmington, NM McGee Park Colesium (Ticket stub) More to follow. These are just a few that I did not see listed on the BOCBase on the last glance. God bless... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Jun 18 17:35:54 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:35:54 +1100 Subject: HW: Live 1974 Message-ID: >From www.hawkwind.com: Hawkwind News: 15th June 1996 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- New 1974 Live Album To Be Released ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Research by EMI Premier, conducted for the Liberty/UA re-issue CD's, accidentally uncovered some master tapes from the early 1974 US and UK tours. These shows followed in the wake of the 'Space Ritual' tour and contained much material from that show. In particular, the recording of the 25th January 1974Edmonton Sundown gig, which had already been the source for tracks released as singles in Europe (Note: These appear on the remastered CD collection) and two shows from Chicago recorded on the 21st and 22nd March 1974. In the words of Doug Smith, "Everyone remembers that tour for Lemmy's inglorious departure, but it was actually a huge success, not least for Simon House's induction on keyboards. And the set was quite different in places to that played to UK audiences." Two of the recordings are not clear enough for production (too much audience noise), but the first night in Chicago will be mixed down for release later in the year. These recordings are not bootlegs and were taken direct from the mixing desk and produced by Roy Thomas Baker. This release will be an invaluable addition to the Hawkwind catalogue, especially due to the lack of good live material, both official and un-official, from 1974 available today. Further developments will be posted on these pages as and when they happen. -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Tue Jun 18 19:13:21 1996 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:13:21 -0700 Subject: Goldmine Message-ID: Well, after looking everywhere, I've seen the next issue of Goldmine, but I can't find the June 7 issue. Can anybody in the Seattle area help me out? -Pete -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu Phone: (206) 547-6164 From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Tue Jun 18 20:50:13 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:50:13 -0500 Subject: HW Live 1974 album Message-ID: To all Hawkfans, I have been reading the confusion that seems to have been created by Doug's comments regarding the new album from 1974 that is in the pipeline. It seems pretty clear to me that he is referring to the 1974/75 tour as a whole, and not the few dates that have been discovered on tape. That road trip' stretched on for virtually 2 years (with one month off in May '74 to record HotMG), even though the names of the tours changed as it went. Lemmy will be on those recordings, to clear things up. Thanks for the interest. Dale ------------------------------------------------------------------ Welcome To The Future The Official Hawkwind Web Site http://www.hawkwind.com Star_rats at hawkwind.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ From KEVIN at TWOMBLEY.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 18 19:35:44 1996 From: KEVIN at TWOMBLEY.DEMON.CO.UK (Kevin F Mcdade) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:35:44 GMT Subject: Off: Lemmy In-Reply-To: <199606182126.RAA25233@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:26:35 -0400, you wrote: > >Was this the first 'thrash' song in existence??? I can't remember any earlier >MH songs that were quite as fast and furious. I suppose it's a matter of >opinion.... > >Keith H. (FAA) methinks 'motorhead' pretty fast and furious.esp compared with HW version. which ain't. ffx From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Jun 18 23:54:30 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:54:30 -0400 Subject: HW: Motorhead: Orgasmatron In-Reply-To: <199606182122.RAA25115@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Keith A Henderson wrote: > Of course, that would be the 'Orgasmatron', the device that (I assume) was the > inspiration for Lemmy's album/song of the same name. Cool movie/Cool album. I remember a radio interview---on Alan Robson's "Hot 'n' Heavy Express" show on Metro Radio in the N.E. of England---around the time _Orgasmatron_ was released in which Lemmy denied having based the name of either the track or album on the device in _Sleeper_. In fact, he said it came as a "complete surprise" to learn of its use in the Woody Allen film, when it was pointed out to him after the album was made. Make of that what you will. (Mind you, the track has nothing to do with the device in the film.) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Dark, _Dark_ obFondMemory: Alan Robson's "megamixes"---~30 minute uninterrupted samplers of featured bands/artists. His Frank Zappa megamix was my unwitting introduction to FZ. He also did a Hawkwind megamix, too. Not too shabby! e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jun 18 22:03:03 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:03:03 PDT Subject: Live 1974 News Message-ID: >> And I guess the question is, although the UK dates certainly have >>Lemmy do the US dates have Lemmy? I thought Lemmy didn't leave until >>late-74 or 75? > Lemmys 1st gig: August 1971 > Lemmys last gig: around 18.05.1975 >If the LIVE 1974 is really a 1974 recording I am 99% sure that it is WITH Lemmy. >The 1% is the small chance that Lemmy was drunken or full with Amphetamins >this day ..which he was only 1% of the times? :-))) Jerry From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jun 19 02:02:01 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 01:02:01 -0500 Subject: HW: Smiff / No More Griffin (was CotBS Lyrics) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > How on earth did Hawkwind actually manage to associate themselves > > with such a great, conscientious record company? Did Doug Smith fall > > asleep at the wheel? > I guess so, considering he seems to be trying to bollix it all up now > ... :P >From what Mike told me upon seeing/hearing about the U.S. _Alien_, it is in fact NOT a Griffin release, but some other record company, so apparently Smiff did find another U.S. record company on which to release it. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jun 19 02:22:20 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 01:22:20 -0500 Subject: HW Live 1974 album In-Reply-To: <199606190050.TAA03375@deliverator.io.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Hawkwind wrote: > That 'road trip' stretched on for virtually 2 years (with one month off > in May '74 to record HotMG), even though the names of the tours changed > as it went. OK... According to Godwin's giglist (it's the one I happen to have on hand), apparently they did take half of April and all of May to record HotMG, but I don't see much of a break after that to record WotEoT, except most of March and April. I'm guessing that's when they recorded it. I could be wrong, though, since apparently there are some gaps in it, since 1.9.74 Detroit 4.9.74 Cleveland 15.10.74 St.Louis 31.10.74 Detroit seems rather sparse for an American tour. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Wed Jun 19 04:31:03 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:31:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Groundhogs Message-ID: Keith wrote: > PS Of course, for those of you interested, the slight relevances would be that > Dave Anderson was involved with the Groundhogs at one point (not sure when), > and that TSMcPhee was on some of the UK Amon Duul stuff (along with the Ozrics > and Bob Calvert), when they recorded in Powys, Wales at Anderson's studio. And of course the mid-80's 'hog rhythm section both turned up playing alongside Dumpy (presumably that made 'em the Rusty Nuts?) when the 'hogs stopped touring. And Dumpy has well-established HW credentials both as a fan and as a *cover artiste*. Hey does this mean we can talk about the Groundhogs as well? ;-) Chris From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Wed Jun 19 05:05:45 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:05:45 +0100 Subject: Off: space bandits! In-Reply-To: <199606182233.XAA05945@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: From: "Alex S. Garcia" Chris Bates wrote : >>> Each HW member alone could not be considered a great musician, but it's >>> like Brainstorming, the end result is a conglomeration of the talents >>> of all the players. > >>A most excellent observation. And true of very many rock acts. Who ever >>improved by going solo? Lemmy? + Quite a few I'd imagine... when your work is not restricted to the 'image' and style of the band you leave.... I expect some will disagree but I'd suggest Roger Waters.... 3 brilliant albums (Pro's and Cons of Hitchhiking, Radio Kaos, Amused To Death) although not neccesarily 'better' than his work with Pink Floyd (esp. Dark Side of the Moon) but they're good in their own right. Likewise the rest of Pink Floyd improved probably because they had to get creative again. Some of his work 'strays' a little from the path of good taste but most is comprehensive. >Bryan Ferry ? I'd vote for Brian Eno - his solo and project work was in a different realm to his work with Roxy Music (he also worked on Captain Lockheed, various U2, Talking Heads, with Robert Fripp and so on and on and on...) Then there was that Dave Brock album..... :) Maxine From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Tue Jun 18 14:26:35 1996 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:26:35 -0700 Subject: Off: Lemmy In-Reply-To: <199606181748.NAA12030@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Jun 18, 96 01:48:57 pm Message-ID: > Since I've seen serveral HW posts mentioning Lemmy, and since someone also > mentioned Metallica and their new single, "Until it Sleeps" (which I happen > to like, although parallels to "The Reaper" are tenuous at best, IMHO), I > thought I'd post this. The CD single of Metallica's "Until It Sleeps" has > as a second track, "Overkill" which I believe is not on the album - Lemmy > has a writing credit (I think he plays on it as well - memory fails here), > and the liner notes indicate it being played on Lemmy's 50th birthday. Metallica doesn't play it nearly as well as Motorhead. This one was recorded while Metallica was rehearsing for Lemmy's 50th birthday party, not at the party itself. It didn't mention Lemmy playing with them, and there's no voice that sounds like his (too bad, too). -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." http://www.teleport.com/~gnome -P.K. Dick From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Wed Jun 19 05:55:31 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:55:31 +0100 Subject: Off: space bandits! Message-ID: Maxine wrote: > Chris Bates wrote : > > >>A most excellent observation. And true of very many rock acts. Who ever > >>improved by going solo? > > Lemmy? Well I don't think Lemmy went solo. By solo work I mean work outside a regular band structure. That is a situation in which an individual gains total artistic control over the material. Lemmy didn't and doesn't have that in Motorhead. Motorhead is another band situation and their best work has been when a synergistic relationship has been established (e.g. Lemmy, Phil Taylor and Fast Eddie). > + Quite a few I'd imagine... when your work is not restricted to the > 'image' and style of the band you leave.... I expect some will disagree but > I'd suggest Roger Waters.... < hack, cough, splutter > ROTFL. Roger Waters solo albums. Good? I think not, indeed I can't even mention Roger Waters and the _G_ word in the same sentence. > 3 brilliant albums (Pro's and Cons of Hitchhiking, Radio Kaos, Amused > To Death) although not neccesarily 'better' than his work with Pink Floyd No, stop. you're killing me. Brilliant? Ha! They wouldn't have even had a release if he'd not made a name for himself in the Floyd. > Likewise the rest of Pink > Floyd improved probably because they had to get creative again. And of course they didn't have the ego of La Roger to overcome. Look how long it took Wright, surely the most musically gifted, to play again after Roger ruined his self-confidence. Chris From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jun 19 06:09:13 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:09:13 +0200 Subject: Off: space bandits! Message-ID: Chris Bates wrote: > > Maxine wrote: > > > Chris Bates wrote : > No, stop. you're killing me. Brilliant? Ha! They wouldn't have even had > a release if he'd not made a name for himself in the Floyd. > > > Likewise the rest of Pink > > Floyd improved probably because they had to get creative again. > > And of course they didn't have the ego of La Roger to overcome. Look > how long it took Wright, surely the most musically gifted, to play again > after Roger ruined his self-confidence. > > Chris Hey! Wotta 'bout Syd Barrett???? He was the true genius behind the early Floyd sound, musically and lyrically. PF's later direction was inventive, at times great, but never as brilliant as with Barrett. Roger Waters totally sucks, on the other hand. Check out PF's "Piper at The Gates of Dawn", or the single "Arnold Layne" or Syd's solo stuff (arguably "Opel" is better than the original two albums he put out in the early 70s). Christian From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 19 06:11:36 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 11:11:36 +0100 Subject: HW: solo stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Carl E. Anderson" writes > The only lad out of the >Hawkwind camp who can completely stand on his own two feet is Lemmy--as >has been proven by Motorhead. IMO Nik is right up there with Lemmy. ICU never had the sucess that Motorhead had obviously, but some of those ICU gigs were among the best shows I've ever seen in my life (out of 1,000's) As good as any great live performer like say, Iggy Pop. Whilst I accept these were not strictly solo efforts from Turner, Motorhead did benefit from Fast Eddie and Philthy Taylor did they not? Motorhead was definately the loudest gig I've ever been to, though! My hearing was screwed for three days after the Bomber show at the Hammy O. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 19 07:23:30 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:23:30 +0100 Subject: Off: space bandits! In-Reply-To: <31C7D1C9.650D@eunet.no> Message-ID: In message <31C7D1C9.650D at eunet.no>, Christian Mumford writes > >Hey! Wotta 'bout Syd Barrett???? He was the true genius behind the early >Floyd sound, musically and lyrically. PF's later direction was >inventive, at times great, but never as brilliant as with Barrett. Roger >Waters totally sucks, on the other hand. Check out PF's "Piper at The >Gates of Dawn", or the single "Arnold Layne" or Syd's solo stuff >(arguably "Opel" is better than the original two albums he put out in >the early 70s). > >Christian I don't think anyone disputes Syd's role, Christian, it was the next 25 years we'll quibble over. BTW can there be a person on this list who *hasn't* heard "Piper at the Gates Of Dawn"? :) -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 19 07:20:30 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:20:30 +0100 Subject: Off: Waters sucks, Floyd better without him! In-Reply-To: <199606190955.KAA04146@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <199606190955.KAA04146 at neptune.shef.ac.uk>, Chris Bates writes >> 3 brilliant albums (Pro's and Cons of Hitchhiking, Radio Kaos, Amused >> To Death) although not neccesarily 'better' than his work with Pink Floyd > >No, stop. you're killing me. Brilliant? Ha! They wouldn't have even had >a release if he'd not made a name for himself in the Floyd. In other words, if he hadn't have led one of the greatest bands of all time for 12-14 years, he would have found it difficult to get a deal? > >> Likewise the rest of Pink >> Floyd improved probably because they had to get creative again. Yeah right, Lapse of Reason really pisses on any Floyd *with* Waters! > >And of course they didn't have the ego of La Roger to overcome. Look >how long it took Wright, surely the most musically gifted, to play again >after Roger ruined his self-confidence. How did he do that? I don't know any of this. Irrespective of any personality problems, *surely* Waters is viewed as the most important member of the Floyd? > > >Chris -- Jon Browne From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 19 08:13:15 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:13:15 -0400 Subject: Off: space bandits! Message-ID: >> 3 brilliant albums (Pro's and Cons of Hitchhiking, Radio Kaos, Amused >> To Death) although not neccesarily 'better' than his work with Pink Floyd > >No, stop. you're killing me. Brilliant? Ha! They wouldn't have even had >a release if he'd not made a name for himself in the Floyd. I thought Radio Kaos was quite good. ATD had some points, but music isn't one of them. One or two decent momentsMakes the Wall and Final Cut look like happy, cheerful lighthearted albums. BTW, I consider The Final Cut to be a solo album by the definition-- there was no regular band structure and Rog had complete artistic control. >> Likewise the rest of Pink >> Floyd improved probably because they had to get creative again. > >And of course they didn't have the ego of La Roger to overcome. Look >how long it took Wright, surely the most musically gifted, to play again >after Roger ruined his self-confidence. If it weren't for what he did to Rick, I could forgive Roger... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jun 19 09:17:16 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:17:16 -0400 Subject: Off: Lemmy Message-ID: >Presumably, this is just their live version (from that birthday party) of the old Motorhead song, from the album of the same name. Hence, the writing credit....is it Kilmister/Clarke/Taylor??? Yes, that is the credit. Also, as pointed out by someone else, this was recorded during rehearsal for Lemmy's 50th. Credits say: Overkill (Kilmister/Clarke/Taylor) Recorded live direct to two-track at The Plant Studios in Sausalito on December 13, 1995 during rehearsal for Lemmy's 50th Birthday party at the Wiskey A Go-Go, Los Angeles Mixed by Randy Staub Original version available on the Motorhead album, OVERKILL, released in 1979 Published by EMI Intertrax o/b/o Motor Music Ltd. (BMI) John From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 19 09:52:07 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:52:07 -0400 Subject: Off: Waters sucks, Floyd better without him! Message-ID: >>And of course they didn't have the ego of La Roger to overcome. Look >>how long it took Wright, surely the most musically gifted, to play again >>after Roger ruined his self-confidence. > >How did he do that? I don't know any of this. This is really getting off topic, better for a floyd list. Roger accused Nick of not pulling his weight in the band. While working on the Wall (which he wrote almost entirely by himself in seclusion), he threatened to withhold the master tapes if Rick didn't go. Apparently Dave and Nick had lost a bit of money in bad investments and couldn't risk not having this album come out, so they went along with it, with the understanding that Rick would leave immediately following the Wall Tour. As late as a year after TFC, when interviewed, Gilmour still wouldn't talk openly about it. After Roger officially shut down, and Dave and Nick restarted, they brought Rick in for the MLoR tour as a hired hand. He didn't have any hand in the writing of that album, with Gilmour doing most of the piano work. If you look at the credits, they list his name after Dave and Nick, in smaller print. At some point after that they reinstated him as a full member of the band, and his presence added much to The Division Bell. >Irrespective of any personality problems, *surely* Waters is viewed as >the most important member of the Floyd? A conclusion he definitely came to... But enough of this. Cymbaline aside, there's no real connection with the hawks or the oysters that I know of, so... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Jun 19 10:05:37 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:05:37 +1000 Subject: HW: Motorhead: Orgasmatron In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, Wasn't there also an orgasmatron in Barberella? I think it was a device used by the mad dude Duran Duran. (Oh, no! I said that word again!) Troy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jun 19 11:34:19 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 11:34:19 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Another tBS CD sighting Message-ID: Well, it took 'em long enough, but I see that my local Tower Records (in Burlington, MA) has a copy of both *Eponymous* and *Trepanation* in the racks. Looks like Ripe and Ready and/or Big Daddy Distributors are getting off their butts a little and moving some great CDs. The discs are $15.99 -- will the band be selling any copies at special prices at the Mama Kin gig this Saturday? John ObtBSlyric: "Lay back on the track - keep an eye out for the train" From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Wed Jun 19 16:57:21 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 16:57:21 U Subject: HW: Motorhead: Orgasmatron Message-ID: > Hey, > Wasn't there also an orgasmatron in Barberella? I think it was a >device used by the mad dude Duran Duran. (Oh, no! I said that word again!) > Troy I may have missed a bit of the thread of this, so apologies if I point out that the Orgasmatron was in Woody Allen's Sleeper - the thing in Barbarella wasn't actually referred to (I think) as an Orgasmatron - altho' my girlfriend wants to know where she can buy one... :-) Cheers, Rich. ObEP - Veni Vedi Testes (I came, you saw my conkers) - Rectum Death F**k From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Jun 19 13:01:48 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:01:48 +0200 Subject: HW Live 1974 album Message-ID: At 19:50 18.06.96 -0500, you wrote: Hi Dale Thanks for your clearing comments >It seems pretty clear to me that he is referring to the >1974/75 tour as a whole, and not the few dates that have been discovered on >tape. In my eyes the Winter 1973/1974 UK tour and the USA March/April 1974 tour are pretty identical Lineup: BROCK / KING / TURNER / LEMMY / DETTMAR / (HOUSE) But there is a huge difference from these both tours to the tour HAWKWIND did in summer 1975 !!! Lineup: BROCK / KING / TURNER / HOUSE / POWELL / (LEMMY) / (RUDOLPH) Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Jun 19 13:01:45 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:01:45 +0200 Subject: Live 1974 News Message-ID: At 19:03 18.06.96 PDT, you wrote: >>The 1% is the small chance that Lemmy was drunken or full with Amphetamins >>this day > >..which he was only 1% of the times? :-))) OK, let's take 10% ;-))) Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 19 13:39:32 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:39:32 +0100 Subject: Off: Lemmy In-Reply-To: <199606181748.NAA12030@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Jun 18, 96 01:48:57 pm Message-ID: > The CD single of Metallica's "Until It Sleeps" has > as a second track, "Overkill" which I believe is not on the album - Lemmy > has a writing credit (I think he plays on it as well - memory fails here), > and the liner notes indicate it being played on Lemmy's 50th birthday. Metallica's "Overkill" version (cover of the Motorhead song, of course, thus the Lemmy credit) is a two-track recording during rehersals for the 50th birthday party (thus is doesn't appear on the album ;) Lemmy did come out and sing at the party--I think on "We Are the Roadcrew" with Metallica, though I'd have to check my recording :) Frankly, Motorhead's set blew the Metallica covers set away. Big surprise. Which is not to say I'm jumping on the narrow-minded- metal-fan bandwaggon and saying that Metallica suck, but just that I would hate to be on the same bill as Motorhead :) They are one heck of a rock'n'roll band :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 19 13:47:59 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:47:59 +0100 Subject: Off: space bandits! In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Jun 19, 96 12:23:30 pm Message-ID: > BTW can there be a person on this list who *hasn't* heard "Piper at the > Gates Of Dawn"? :) If they haven't they should. Interstellar Overdrive all the way! :) I've actually never really warmed to post-Barrett Floyd. I mean, Dark Side and Wall aren't _bad_ albums, but they just don't grab me ... (A heretic, I know ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "Hefi ek ok aldri sva reitt cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk vapn at manni at eigi hafi http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html vid kommit." Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. -Skarphedin Njalsson ************************************************************************* From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Jun 19 15:03:26 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:03:26 -0500 Subject: 32 tracks Message-ID: On 17-JUN-1996 15:03:14.1 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >>Let me clarify that I was joking about "Good Morning" and "Zone", as >those >are tracks frequently slagged by HW fans here. I guess the song >most likely >to be heard first would be "Silver Machine", which, in >most forms, shouldn't >>make too bad an impression. >Well, I suppose we could start a slew of "first song heard" messages. >("Lord of Light" was the first HW song I ever heard, it made an instant >convert....) >+-------------------------------------------------------+ First song I heard was "Images" from Space Bandits, when I bought it on tape about 1 and 3/4 years ago. It made a grea first impression, though the album as a whole didn't. Chuck `[1;37;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Jun 19 15:03:35 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:03:35 -0500 Subject: 32 tracks Message-ID: On 17-JUN-1996 15:03:15.7 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> Let me clarify that I was joking about "Good Morning" and "Zone", as >those > are tracks frequently slagged by HW fans here. I guess the >song most likely >> to be heard first would be "Silver Machine", which, in most forms, >shouldn' t >> make too bad an impression. >Actually, "Good Evening" (it's "evening" rather than "morning", >isn't it) was one of the first HW songs I ever heard, right after my >old pal joined this boc-l thing where people kept talking about Hawkwind >and he decided he had to know what it was about and snagged a cassette >copy of _Xenon Codex_ and unleashed it on us. >And I actually quite *like* "Good Evening" :) Or possibly >"Good Morning". Whichever :) >Of course, the real hook for me was when I casually bought a >used CD of HotMG. Yippee :) >Cheers, >Carl Okay, the actual hook for me was hearing "Angels Of Death" ("Magnu") from the Collection. Still remains my favorite HW performance... Chuck `[1;36;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Jun 19 15:03:47 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:03:47 -0500 Subject: HW: first song (was 32 tracks) Message-ID: On 17-JUN-1996 16:28:52.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Andrew said... >> >> >Let me clarify that I was joking about "Good Morning" and "Zone", >as those >> >are tracks frequently slagged by HW fans here. I guess the song >most likel y >> >to be heard first would be "Silver Machine", which, in most forms, >shouldn 't >> >make too bad an impression. >> >> Well, I suppose we could start a slew of "first song heard" messages. >> ("Lord of Light" was the first HW song I ever heard, it made an >instant > convert....) >Mine was 'Quark, Strangeness, and Charm' in 1980, and although that >particula r >song wasn't really the one that instantly converted me to Hawkwindism, >the album as a whole made me go out and buy 'Space Ritual'. I was >surprised at h ow >different it was, but then I loved that one just as much (or more). >What finally sealed it was getting 'Levitation' on tape next, and >listening to it virtually every night (on headphones, of course) for >about six months. Funny >thing is, these first three albums I got are three of my current four >favourites (the other being 'Warrior'). >I wouldn't think 'Silver Machine' would be the track of choice for a new >listener, although it is certainly the most known. I think LoL would be >better, actually, Yes, the SR live version in partic. You can choose to listen to whatever aspect anytime. Lemmy's bass noodling, Dave's wah-wahing guitar in the middle, Dik (or Del's?) electronic sprinkling... A lot of everything there. Chuck `[1;31;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG Wed Jun 19 15:57:02 1996 From: FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG (DAVID FURST) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:57:02 -0600 Subject: off: piper at the gates Message-ID: HI all, just a quick off-topic comment about syd barrett and piper at the gates of dawn & saucerfull of secrets. I got the double album release of these way back in 7th grade. I was permanently skewed as a result. Coolest tune to cover off of 'piper' IMO 'Lucifer Sam.' Also from 'saucer' 'Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun.' Truly an excellant foundation musically for the quirky space rock approach. Dave F. obWaitng for release - The Church - Magician Among the Spirits From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Wed Jun 19 15:15:02 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:15:02 -0500 Subject: HW Live 1974 album Message-ID: At 07:01 PM 6/19/96 +0200, you wrote: >At 19:50 18.06.96 -0500, you wrote: >>It seems pretty clear to me that he is referring to the >>1974/75 tour as a whole, and not the few dates that have been discovered on >>tape. > >In my eyes the Winter 1973/1974 UK tour and the USA March/April 1974 tour >are pretty identical > >Lineup: BROCK / KING / TURNER / LEMMY / DETTMAR / (HOUSE) > > >But there is a huge difference from these both tours to the tour HAWKWIND >did in >summer 1975 !!! > >Lineup: BROCK / KING / TURNER / HOUSE / POWELL / (LEMMY) / (RUDOLPH) This is so, but if you take the amount of tours that H/W have done, and look at how long they are on the road, it is fair for Doug to remember the road trips as 'units' rather than individual trips. To him, it is just a long haul that started in late '73 and ended in late '75. This is my point in a nutshell, so I wouldn't try to analyse his statement too much. Dale ------------------------------------------------------------------ Welcome To The Future The Official Hawkwind Web Site http://www.hawkwind.com Star_rats at hawkwind.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Jun 19 16:27:36 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 16:27:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: Patti Smith Message-ID: She's on Letterman tonight (Weds 6/19) Martyn From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 19 16:19:23 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 16:19:23 -0400 Subject: HW: Gargarin (BMtHoYG) Message-ID: >Yuri Gagarin's historic first manned spaceflight in 1961 nearly ended in disaster, according to a set of 35-year-old notes by Gargarin's commander that are on the >auction block. > >According to the notes by Colonel Yevgeny Karpov, the Vostok 1 spacecraft started spinning out of control when two parts of the vehicle failed to separate as >planned before reentry. Instead of taking ten seconds to separate, ten minutes passed before the two components separated and the reentry capsule, with Gagarin >aboard, made a safe descent to Earth. > >"Malfunction!!!", "Don't panic!" and "Emergency situation" are the words that appear in Karpov's notes. The account appears to correspond with a secret report >filed by Gagarin after the flight, which was printed in 1991 in the Russian newspaper Rabochaya Tribuna. > >Analysts and historians agree that has the world known about Gargarin's problems, the space race would have slowed down considerably. "If something like this had >been known, it might have played into the hands of the doubters," John Glenn.... I thought it interesting that three of the phrases they quote appear as Hawkwind albums or lables. I wonder if he was ever due royalties from this album... Then again, he already has his close encounter with a disaster, so... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 19 17:28:57 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 22:28:57 +0100 Subject: HW : HLL or not? Message-ID: > >When Alex was asking where to begin, I was just thinking how much I >missed Huw's sound actually! Compare the _excellant_ Xenon Codex (which >you should try, Alex) to Business Of the Future, Space Bandits or even >Alien 4. I couldn't see Huw's departure as anything but a loss. > >-- >Jon Browne > > Yeah, I love some of the stuff on Xenon. Don't get me wrong, I really like some of HLL's HW stuff (I'm speaking in code now!), though for me, the band improved greatly without him. Stuff like Moonglum for example I think is great, but I definitely tired of his guitar on some of the older songs when played live. There are some songs that are actually better when they're kept to the basics, and HLL often seemed to add too much lead. Then again, some people *want* loads of lead! Actually, another reason may be that it was the 80's HLL HW (arrgh, I'm doing it again) that I first got into, so maybe I'm just tired of his sorta stuff? But even taking that into consideration, I still think they're far better *now*. As an aside, I have to admit that two of the most boring gigs I've ever been at have been HLL solo shows! I didn't learn my lesson first time, and went to see him again a few years later...just as bad! Not my cup of tea at all me old china. Seems like a decent geezer tho'!! Dave From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 19 17:29:16 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 22:29:16 +0100 Subject: HW : re-HLL or not? Message-ID: Carl wrote: > I'd vote for Simon rejoining permanently over Huw, actually ... Yup, that gets the vote from me! Anyone have any idea if Simon's likely to rejoin at some point? I know Dave mentioned he may well do stuff with them again. What about Harvey, I remember Dave saying he'd probably rejoin sometime too. Dave From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 19 17:29:26 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 22:29:26 +0100 Subject: HW: first song (was 32 tracks) Message-ID: Doesn't the saying go "if you remember your first Hawkwind song, you weren't really there" ??? Dave From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 19 17:29:58 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 22:29:58 +0100 Subject: Off: Lemmy Message-ID: Just as a quick extra on the subject of Lemmy, while travelling with the Damned over to a festival in Switzerland, Aug.88, I ended up sitting next to Lemmy (who kindly gave me his window seat and his lunch!!), Rat Scabies suggested to Lemmy that they should do a HW song as tribute to Bob Calvert. Unfortunately, they never got it together...Rat only wanted to do "Quark", and Lemmy claimed he had only heard that song once, when the album came out. Oh well, coulda be a sight worth seeing...Motordamned doing Hawkwind! Dave From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu Jun 20 12:23:43 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:23:43 EST Subject: HW : re-HLL or not? In-Reply-To: <199606192129.WAA17635@easynet.co.uk>; from "gingoblin@kiwi.easynet.co.uk" at Jun 20, 96 10:29:16 pm Message-ID: > > Carl wrote: > > I'd vote for Simon rejoining permanently over Huw, actually ... > > Yup, that gets the vote from me! Anyone have any idea if Simon's likely to > rejoin at some point? I know Dave mentioned he may well do stuff with them > again. What about Harvey, I remember Dave saying he'd probably rejoin > sometime too. > > Dave > I'd love to see Harvey join again,it might make Dave get out front with his geetar,and wah-wah a bit more.I know Harvey gets some stick on the list for "back in the box" etc ,but his keyboard work on Palace Springs is great,I just love those moog lead-lines. However I believe Harvey left,after an argument that lead to keyboards being thrown,well that was the rumour I heard anyway.I have to agree that stuff like "Mutation Zone" was crap ,thank god they shortened it during the Mad proffesors tour from 10 mins to about 2. anyone get a chicken from that tour? regards Marty obHarveyRamble:-Rambo in Space(Hammy 1989) From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Jun 19 22:26:54 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:26:54 -0700 Subject: Love in Space US$ Message-ID: You wrote: > >> >> I got quoted $35 for the import double CD Love in Space from a little shop in >> Evanston IL that has a somewhat HW fanatic owner. Want to see if the major >> discount chains will pick it up... >> >> HMS wiz >> > >Where? Where? > > Well, I'll have this in stock in a week or so for $27 US... Wylie From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jun 20 01:04:18 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 01:04:18 -0400 Subject: ENGLAND Help Message-ID: I've miss placed my tour schedule-- On what dates are the Brentwood and Guildford gigs? Also, what are the names of the venues? Please respond soon as I will be on the plane later today. See all at Brixton on June 21 will be wearing NetHawk tee. regards, Bill 'standing on the runway...'Stewart From HMSwiz at AOL.COM Thu Jun 20 04:28:47 1996 From: HMSwiz at AOL.COM (Jerome Kekatos) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 04:28:47 -0400 Subject: Live 1974 News Message-ID: Bernhard writes >What we know now is that it will be the recording from the Chicago gig on >21.03.1974, Auditorium Theatre. Not only was the Lem-meister there but I believe this was the show where many Chicagoing attendees also mass-hallucinated Stacia beheading some poor soul in the front row. Ooooh! The Lights, The Lights From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 20 04:48:47 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:48:47 +0100 Subject: HW : HLL or not? In-Reply-To: <199606192128.WAA17615@easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <199606192128.WAA17615 at easynet.co.uk>, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes >Yeah, I love some of the stuff on Xenon. Don't get me wrong, I really like >some of HLL's HW stuff (I'm speaking in code now!), though for me, the band >improved greatly without him. Stuff like Moonglum for example I think is >great, but I definitely tired of his guitar on some of the older songs when >played live. There are some songs that are actually better when they're kept >to the basics, and HLL often seemed to add too much lead. Then again, some >people *want* loads of lead! Moonglum, what a track! Rocky Paths, another favorite... hmmm....yes, count me in the loads of lead brigade. I mean, sure, I don't like noodling or hours of interminable widdly-widdly-wee-wee-WEE! In fact, Huw got it just about right, I reckon! > Actually, another reason may be that it was the 80's HLL HW (arrgh, I'm >doing it again) that I first got into, so maybe I'm just tired of his sorta >stuff? That's fair enough. I tend to skip about sometimes '74 line-up, sometimes Electric Tepee period. Right now though, I think I'm tending towards early '80's HM HLL HW! >But even taking that into consideration, I still think they're far >better *now*. As good, but better? > As an aside, I have to admit that two of the most boring gigs I've ever >been at have been HLL solo shows! I didn't learn my lesson first time, and >went to see him again a few years later...just as bad! Not my cup of tea at >all me old china. Seems like a decent geezer tho'!! Agreed there, alright! I saw him at the Brentford Red Lion with Mournblade supporting. They blew HLL away that night. I think all 5 of us in the audience agreed. > >Dave -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 20 04:37:34 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:37:34 +0100 Subject: HW : re-HLL or not? In-Reply-To: <199606192129.WAA17635@easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <199606192129.WAA17635 at easynet.co.uk>, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes >Yup, that gets the vote from me! Anyone have any idea if Simon's likely to >rejoin at some point? I know Dave mentioned he may well do stuff with them >again. What about Harvey, I remember Dave saying he'd probably rejoin >sometime too. > >Dave Isn't Simon over in Nik's camp at the moment? -- Jon Browne From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 20 07:04:41 1996 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:04:41 +0100 Subject: HW : HLL or not? Message-ID: and HLL often seemed to add too much lead. Then again, some >>people *want* loads of lead! >In message <199606192128.WAA17615 at easynet.co.uk>,> >Moonglum, what a track! Rocky Paths, another favorite... hmmm....yes, >count me in the loads of lead brigade. I mean, sure, I don't like >noodling or hours of interminable widdly-widdly-wee-wee-WEE! In fact, >Huw got it just about right, I reckon! I remember seeing HW in 1986 atfer the CotBS tour and when HW started playing Motorway City it blew me away, solely due to HLL lead guitar, the stage was full of lazers and dryice........wipes away a tear of nostalga.. Yes HLL was very good, but as has been said it was annoying eg Urban G. But on the whole a sadly missed member :-( Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk 'Sunrise Wrongside of Another Day' "Kilminster" --------------------------------------------- From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Thu Jun 20 07:12:36 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:12:36 +0100 Subject: OFF - Pink Floyd In-Reply-To: <199606200912.KAA07579@listserv.rl.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Maxine wrote: > > > Chris Bates baited! : > No, stop. you're killing me. Brilliant? Ha! They wouldn't have even had > a release if he'd not made a name for himself in the Floyd. As stated he was Pink Floyds creativity for a long period, took them to the height of their careers in the 'Wall' period and established them as Britains top band from playing to small intimate audiences to playing in Football Stadiums. You only have to look at Dave and Rick's solo albums to see that it wasn't their influence... the early psychedelia during and just after Barrett wasn't really that awe inspiring... (sorry folks!) - a lot of limp drivel IMHO > how long it took Wright, surely the most musically gifted, to play again > after Roger ruined his self-confidence. I don't refute that the current Floyd are just as brilliant as they have ever been but who can say (apart from Chris!) who made them what they are... would it ever have been the way it is without the band previously working with Roger? It's like saying Nik Turner's Hawkwind would sound the way they do without having worked with DB... etc and we all know that's Bull! (i can bait too dontchaknow!) Maxine From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jun 20 12:57:19 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:57:19 BST Subject: HW: non-US cover tapes Message-ID: Hi Dave, Thanx for doing the tapes they are rather marvellous. seeya Friday - Rob From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jun 20 13:00:39 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:00:39 BST Subject: HW: non-US cover tapes Message-ID: Damn....I keep forgetting to change the address when I reply personally. Sorry everyone! bye - Rob From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 20 13:28:17 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:28:17 BST Subject: HW: non-US cover tapes In-Reply-To: Rob's message of Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:57:19 BST Message-ID: Rob writes: > Hi Dave, > > Thanx for doing the tapes they are rather marvellous. Yep, got mine thanks! Tony sez They're GRRRRREEAATTT!! > > seeya Friday - Rob Ditto FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 20 13:27:19 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:27:19 BST Subject: ENGLAND Help In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Thu, 20 Jun 1996 01:04:18 -0400 Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > I've miss placed my tour schedule-- On what dates are the Brentwood and > Guildford gigs? Also, what are the names of the venues? Please respond soon > as I will be on the plane later today. See all at Brixton on June 21 will be > wearing NetHawk tee. Brixton then Guildford then Brentwood. It's Brixton Academy. Nethawk T here too. Seeya there dude! > > regards, > Bill 'standing on the runway...'Stewart Mike "Born To Go" Holmes From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Jun 20 08:41:04 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr Pepper (they call me Mister Pibb)) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:41:04 +0100 Subject: HW: non-US cover tapes In-Reply-To: <9606201328.aa21900@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, M Holmes wrote: > Rob writes: > > > Hi Dave, > > Thanx for doing the tapes they are rather marvellous. > > Yep, got mine thanks! Tony sez They're GRRRRREEAATTT!! And although I haven't got around to listening to them (I'm desperately trying to learn Spanish so I can go 'Where is the best record shop for buying obscure European releases of the best band in the entire (known and unknown) universe') I think the covers alone are worth the effort involved. Congrats to the chief culprits. > > seeya Friday - Rob > > Ditto > FoFP > And as long as I can get a ticket I'll be there as well, wearing a nethawks sweatshirt to make leaving at 6 in the morning more bearable. See you in the pub that we met up in last time. Cheers Mike w From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jun 20 08:53:37 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:53:37 -0400 Subject: HW: non-US cover tapes Message-ID: >On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, M Holmes wrote: >And although I haven't got around to listening to them (I'm desperately >trying to learn Spanish so I can go 'Where is the best record shop for >buying obscure European releases of the best band in the entire (known and >unknown) universe') I think the covers alone are worth the effort >involved. Congrats to the chief culprits. "?Adonde esta la tienda de musica en que puedes comprar discos raros de Europa del mejor groupo en el mundo?" Well, "the world", can't recall saying "universe" too often in spanish... You'll probably find yourself waking down aisles of Menudo records... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 20 10:26:19 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:26:19 +0100 Subject: HW : re-HLL or not? Message-ID: >Isn't Simon over in Nik's camp at the moment? >-- >Jon Browne > > Oh yeah, forgot about this "sides" business. My two favourite bands (The Damned and HW) both seem to be having this problem at the moment, with ex-members trying to take over the band. Very sad, and from experience, it's all down to money. Sad but (I think) true. The situation with the ol' Damned is even worse than HW though. Imagine if Dave Brock ended up sitting at home with no band left while "Hawkwind", made up of various ex-members toured the "greatest hits" round the country! Dave (not Brock...or Vanian!) From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 20 10:26:16 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:26:16 +0100 Subject: HW : HLL or not? Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: >Moonglum, what a track! Rocky Paths, another favorite... hmmm....yes, >count me in the loads of lead brigade. I mean, sure, I don't like >noodling or hours of interminable widdly-widdly-wee-wee-WEE! In fact, >Huw got it just about right, I reckon! Ha, I'm getting reminded of more HLL tracks that I really like all the time! This is doing my case no good at all! Oops, just remembered "Sea King" too, another one I really like!! In fact, I think I like most of his HW stuff! Again though, I think he brought a more straight-forward "rock" approach to the band. I much prefer the more "spacey" side they've been into of late. My least favourite HW gig was Acid Daze in '87, which I think summed up the "too much rawk" sorta thing, whereas my favourite was Brixton Academy 3rd Sept 89 (at least I think it was 89) Naz Nomad & The Nightmares (The Damned doing loads of psychedelic covers) were supporting, Lemmy came on at the end, and Simon House had returned. I seem to remember they did lots of Space Ritual stuff. I may be wrong in my recollections (but if so, I don't want to know, I still remember this gig fondly!), but for me this started the current HW era, and of course led up to Electric Teepee, one of my fave albums (not just HW) of all time. Poor Huw...he did lots of excellent stuff, left, and they got even better!! (IMO of course!!!) From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Jun 20 10:50:48 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:50:48 -0400 Subject: Live 1974 News In-Reply-To: from "Jerry" at Jun 18, 96 07:03:03 pm Message-ID: Jerry writes: > > >> And I guess the question is, although the UK dates certainly have > >>Lemmy do the US dates have Lemmy? I thought Lemmy didn't leave until > >>late-74 or 75? > > Lemmys 1st gig: August 1971 > > Lemmys last gig: around 18.05.1975 > >If the LIVE 1974 is really a 1974 recording I am 99% sure that it is WITH > Lemmy. > >The 1% is the small chance that Lemmy was drunken or full with Amphetamins > >this day > > ..which he was only 1% of the times? :-))) No, it just took him out of action 1% of the time. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Jun 20 11:10:41 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:10:41 -0400 Subject: OFF - Pink Floyd In-Reply-To: from "Maxine Wesley" at Jun 20, 96 12:12:36 pm Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > > > Maxine wrote: > > > > > Chris Bates baited! : > > > No, stop. you're killing me. Brilliant? Ha! They wouldn't have even had > > a release if he'd not made a name for himself in the Floyd. > > As stated he was Pink Floyds creativity for a long period, Well, he was their lyrical and conceptual creativity. Personally, I think the real musicianship was in the hands of the other guys. >took them to the > height of their careers in the 'Wall' period and established them as > Britains top band from playing to small intimate audiences to playing in > Football Stadiums. > > You only have to look at Dave and Rick's solo albums to > see that it wasn't their influence... Actually, I like _About Face_ much better than any of Waters' solo stuff. Steve swann at panix.com From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 20 16:13:05 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:13:05 BST Subject: Quick! - Where's the pub??? Message-ID: OK, I've booked a Brixton ticket and I now desperately need to know where the pub everyone is meeting in actually is. I may go to the Brentwood and even Guildford gigs - especially if some kind soul offers me a lift between gigs or even crash space afterwards. My list of who's going is: Bill Stewart (don't have description) Dave Berry (tall and redheaded? - have previously failed to spot even in a small pub) Rob Stuckey (Impossible to miss his rogueish grin) Mike Wright (If he has another story about how he nearly landed The Big One I'll probably strangle him) So who else is going? Will I finally spot the mud-covered Maxine? Tim? Gordon? Let me know and I'll look out for you. Of the more famous Hawkfans, the only one that I know for sure will be there is Ade Parr, the producer of Hawkeye though I'd guess that Trev Hughes might also be around. I'll wear a Nethawks tshirt and will probably be the loudest scottish voice near the bar :-) Stop me and buy one ;-) Cya there FoFP From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Jun 20 16:45:34 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:45:34 BST Subject: Quick! - Where's the pub??? In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:13:05 BST Message-ID: > OK, I've booked a Brixton ticket and I now desperately need to know > where the pub everyone is meeting in actually is. Come out of Brixton tube, walk under the rail bridge (towards the Academy) and its on your right (before you reach the traffic lights). IIRC (based on other people's mail) it's called the Beehive and its a Wetherspoon's pub. > Dave Berry (tall and redheaded? - have previously failed to spot even > in a small pub) I'll be wearing a boc-l t-shirt or sweatshirt. I'm planning to arrive (with a non-boc-l friend) around 7.30-7.45. However, I've had a dicky tummy all day (cries of aaaaah...) and I'm definitely not 100%, so there is a chance that I'll not make it. Dave. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 20 11:50:08 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:50:08 -0400 Subject: OFF - Pink Floyd In-Reply-To: <199606201510.LAA03864@phantom.mindvox.com> Message-ID: Steve wrote: > > You only have to look at Dave and Rick's solo albums to > > see that it wasn't their influence... > > Actually, I like _About Face_ much better than any of Waters' solo > stuff. I was just about to say that myself; especially that little ditty about cruise missiles... Btw, it's a scary thought that _Pros and Cons..._ could so very easily have been released under the Pink Floyd monniker instead of _The Final Cut_. :) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Praxis, _Sacrifist_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 20 16:48:45 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:48:45 BST Subject: Hawkwind Codex database? In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > Jill & Mike, > > I was wondering about how the Hawkwind Codex is prepared. Is the > formatted version produced from some kind of database, or is new material > simply edited into place in the extant codex (which would account for the > minor discrepancies in format)? Yep, we just edit the text in. > Last week or so I was messing around a little, and I whipped up a crude > awk script that would process the codex into records of the form > @track name@, at version@, at studio/live@, at album name@, which I was then able > to import successfully into MS-Access. (I may actually revise this, to > output two files---one of track-ID + track details, and another of album > name + track-IDs.) Alas, the simple nature of the script meant it didn't > get everything in the codex. For one, it did not process the notes > associated with each track. It also did not get the cross-references. > But I guess the 2% or so it didn't manage could be edited in by hand. > (And the track notes could be added manually, too, unless I fancy writing > a fancier awk script, which isn't likely.:) If you do get it complete with notes into Access, I'd appreciate a copy of the file. > Right now I am messing around with interfacing information storage and > retrieval systems with the WWW. (I already have a [non WWW-accessible] > full-text ISR system indexing the Hawkwind lyrics file, which [again, with > the aid of an awk script] I split up into individual lyrics files, one > song per document. Both boolean and ranked queries are supported.) > Next, I am interested in setting up a WWW interface to an mSQL database, > maybe one containing the codex or discography information (or > both)---hence the interest in finding out whether such information > already exists in database form; it would be easier to import such > information into, e.g. mSQL, than to create the database myself (via awk, > etc.). I figure what would be *really* neat would be to start a massive hypertext WWW document which would list the codex and allow each track to be clicked on to access either its codex entry, or where present its lyric file (password protected to keep the lawyers happy). That could form as a basis for adding in the writers of the track and linking that to biographical data, solo albums etc. Ultimately the family tree could be linked to this and the albums and giglists indexed by lineup. It's megalomania of course but it'd be great to start such a project and just add to it as we went. Sonique seems to be good at this sort of stuff. I'll copy this to the list just in case we have enough volunteers to make a start on such a project. I guess if we had enough people we could agree a specification and share out the effort... > Paul. FoFP From stayer at PI.NET Wed Jun 19 21:36:04 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:36:04 PDT Subject: HW: Paradiso, Amsterdam Message-ID: Hi there, All of you who are going to HW at the Paradiso next Wednesday, you all have tickets? See you at The Bulldog at eight, Jerry From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 20 12:22:30 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:22:30 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Codex database? In-Reply-To: <9606201648.aa15676@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Mike, > I figure what would be *really* neat would be to start a massive > hypertext WWW document which would list the codex and allow each track > to be clicked on to access either its codex entry, or where present its > lyric file (password protected to keep the lawyers happy). > > That could form as a basis for adding in the writers of the track and > linking that to biographical data, solo albums etc. > > Ultimately the family tree could be linked to this and the albums and > giglists indexed by lineup. > > It's megalomania of course but it'd be great to start such a project and > just add to it as we went. Sonique seems to be good at this sort of > stuff. Well, basically, this is what I have had in mind for a long while, and have been silently working towards, albeit slowly. I have a class coming up this fall regarding the WWW which is project-based, and I thought developing a WWW-accessible Hawkwind digital library might be a good project. (Finally, I'd get some time to actually do some work on this.) Although I think a WWW-accessible hyperbase is the thing to do, I don't think that authoring a massive set of (static) HTML documents is the way to go, for obvious reasons (maintenance and consistency being the chief one). Hence my route of developing WWW interfaces to a database + ISR system of Hawkwind info. An appropriate front end (cgi scripts) would access the underlying database, and generate appropriate HTML to present the data. This is, potentially, a lot better, because less data need be maintained. For example, you could think of the Hawkwind discography to be simply an inverted index of the Hawkwind codex; the former can be derived from the latter. Yet currently, two documents are maintained. > I'll copy this to the list just in case we have enough volunteers to > make a start on such a project. I guess if we had enough people we could > agree a specification and share out the effort... Well, in terms of my class project, I'd have to work alone, I guess, so I'd still plod along with what I've already started anyway. I see the main task in identifying what information is of interest, and how to structure it. I had decided to base things around recorded tracks, where each track (version) would have known information about it, e.g. writer credit, performer credit, recording location, engineer, producer, notes, trivia, etc. This would be stored in a database. It would then be fairly easy to create another index (database) to represent the discography (a simple album name/tracks indexing). Using both of these, a codex could be derived automatically. Of course, tracks need not be limited to just Hawkwind, which would allow friends & relations to enter the picture. Also, "tracks" could encompass live gig performances, and a similar index to the discography could constructed for gig setlists. The good thing about going the database route is that it is easier to obtain subsets of information (e.g. "what are all the gigs that Wishart appeared in?"), whereas a static HTML hyperbase makes such things more difficult to do. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _It Just Is_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Jun 20 12:36:19 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:36:19 +0100 Subject: Quick! - Where's the pub??? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:13:05 -0000." <9606201613.aa05518@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: > My list of who's going is: > > Bill Stewart (don't have description) > Dave Berry (tall and redheaded? - have previously failed to spot even > in a small pub) > Rob Stuckey (Impossible to miss his rogueish grin) > Mike Wright (If he has another story about how he nearly landed The Big > One I'll probably strangle him) > > So who else is going? Will I finally spot the mud-covered Maxine? Tim? Nah. When they're playing about 1000 yds from my doorstep, it invalidates the need to travel 80 miles, *and* eat bad pizza all night :-) Have fun you lot. Anybody going to the Ipswich gig look out for a Nethawks shirt - that'll be me. If ya turn up early then I'll probably be in the pub called The Plough round the corner getting tanked up. Tim From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jun 20 13:07:44 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 19:07:44 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind Codex database? Message-ID: >> I figure what would be *really* neat would be to start a massive >> hypertext WWW document which would list the codex and allow each track >> to be clicked on to access either its codex entry, or where present its >> lyric file (password protected to keep the lawyers happy). >> >> That could form as a basis for adding in the writers of the track and >> linking that to biographical data, solo albums etc. >> >> Ultimately the family tree could be linked to this and the albums and >> giglists indexed by lineup. >> >> It's megalomania of course but it'd be great to start such a project and >> just add to it as we went. Sonique seems to be good at this sort of >> stuff. > >Well, basically, this is what I have had in mind for a long while, and >have been silently working towards, albeit slowly. I have a class coming >up this fall regarding the WWW which is project-based, and I thought >developing a WWW-accessible Hawkwind digital library might be a good >project. (Finally, I'd get some time to actually do some work on this.) > >Although I think a WWW-accessible hyperbase is the thing to do, I don't >think that authoring a massive set of (static) HTML documents is the way >to go, for obvious reasons (maintenance and consistency being the chief >one). Hence my route of developing WWW interfaces to a database + ISR >system of Hawkwind info. An appropriate front end (cgi scripts) would >access the underlying database, and generate appropriate HTML to present >the data. This is, potentially, a lot better, because less data need be >maintained. For example, you could think of the Hawkwind discography to >be simply an inverted index of the Hawkwind codex; the former can be >derived from the latter. Yet currently, two documents are maintained. How about to link the cover pics (including different variations), added with the liner notes in the discography part - if it wouldn't be too much copywright violation... >Cheers, > >Paul. \\joe From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Jun 20 13:47:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:47:00 EDT Subject: HW: Alien 4 in the US Message-ID: I saw Griffin advertise the Alien 4 CD in the Goldmine issue that featured BOC. There was a follow up that Griffin wasn't releasing it , but somebody else would. So I wrote to find out. Rudu ObOld Song: Darkness, Darkness - Youngbloods They dropped at least once. ---------- From: GrifMus To: Rudich Subject: Re: Alien 4 Date: Thursday, June 20, 1996 1:23PM In a message dated 96-06-19 11:12:12 EDT, you write: >I saw an ad in a recent Goldmine that you had released Hawkwind's Alien 4 in >the US. On a mailing list I saw somebody state that it was not out from >Griffin, but another company. Could you clear this up for me? Alien 4 is available currently only in Europe. If it's here in the states, any label that is claiming distribution of this title is being unlawful. Griffin will be releasing that title this year, but the contracts are still in negotiation. Thanks, Griffin Music From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Thu Jun 20 13:56:32 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:56:32 -0400 Subject: HW: Griffin Message-ID: Rudy (or anyone) could you post the email address for Griffin (actually I can't find their www page either whats the URL again ?) I want to ask them about the plane to release the EMI masters as a box set that someone mentioned. Cheers, Steve L. From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Thu Jun 20 14:16:27 1996 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Brand) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:16:27 -0500 Subject: HW: Motorhead: Orgasmatron In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Richard Lockwood wrote: > > Hey, > > Wasn't there also an orgasmatron in Barberella? I think it was a > >device used by the mad dude Duran Duran. (Oh, no! I said that word again!) > > Troy > > I may have missed a bit of the thread of this, so apologies if I point out > that the Orgasmatron was in Woody Allen's Sleeper - the thing in Barbarella > wasn't actually referred to (I think) as an Orgasmatron - altho' my girlfriend > wants to know where she can buy one... :-) I think the machine in Barbarella was called an Excessor machine. Your girlfriend has an interesting death wish. :) Brand From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Jun 20 14:21:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:21:00 EDT Subject: HW: Griffin Addresses Message-ID: For e-mail to Griffin: GrifMus at aol.com Web site: http://www.GriffinMusic.com/ Of course, you can get there from Sonique's site: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/links.html Where you can sample things from the Swedish chefs. Rudy From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Jun 20 13:58:02 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:58:02 -0400 Subject: OFF - Pink Floyd In-Reply-To: <199606201510.LAA03864@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jun 20, 96 11:10:41 am Message-ID: Steve says-- > > > > You only have to look at Dave and Rick's solo albums to > > see that it wasn't their influence... Dave is a remarkable guitarist, and a competent composer. I have both his solo albums, and there's no way I'd part with either one. As for Rick, I think he's highly over rated (but I'm not a musician, so what the hell do I know? :-) ). > Actually, I like _About Face_ much better than any of Waters' solo > stuff. I think Radio KAOS is serious work of art, while Gilmour's albums are merely great music. :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jun 20 15:01:36 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:01:36 -0400 Subject: ENGLAND Help Message-ID: Thanks for the info folks. Hoppin a cab to the plane in 1 HR. see ya in Brixton regards, Bill ...glass of water....check...Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jun 20 15:06:46 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:06:46 -0400 Subject: Quick! - Where's the pub??? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-20 11:16:04 EDT, you write: > >My list of who's going is: > >Bill Stewart (don't have description) Shoulder length Brown hair 41 yrs old- glasses 5ft 10in- Net Hawk tee- possible bandana-with Beverly my wife- Brown hair middle of back 5ft 5in some form of HW Tee. regards, Bill Stewart From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 20 15:16:02 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 20:16:02 +0100 Subject: Quick! - Where's the pub??? In-Reply-To: <9606201613.aa05518@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jun 20, 96 04:13:05 pm Message-ID: > So who else is going? I am! Though money may well forbid me from hitting any other gigs on the tour (or rather, _lack_ of money will!). See everyone in the Beehive before the gig. For those who haven't encountered me before: 24 years old, 5'11, nethawks T but this may be swathed in a leather jacket or badge-sprinkled black vest, depending on the weather. Oh, and currently sporting a fair smear of facial fuzz, owing to requirements for an upcoming part as a film extra (long story ....). Long brown hair and glasses. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jun 20 17:25:39 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:25:39 -0400 Subject: Quick! - Where's the pub??? Message-ID: > So who else is going? Me too - probably in my leather jacket with the Egyptian Army shoulder thingy. Shortest (if not sharpest) haircut in the place, in all likelihood. There is a photo on my web page, though it may not be much use... http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham/photos.htm - Andy From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 20 04:54:19 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:54:19 +0100 Subject: Off: Lemmy / even Offer more Rat In-Reply-To: <199606192129.WAA17727@easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <199606192129.WAA17727 at easynet.co.uk>, gingoblin at easynet.co.uk writes >Just as a quick extra on the subject of Lemmy, while travelling with the >Damned over to a festival in Switzerland, Aug.88, I ended up sitting next to >Lemmy (who kindly gave me his window seat and his lunch!!), Rat Scabies >suggested to Lemmy that they should do a HW song as tribute to Bob Calvert. >Unfortunately, they never got it together...Rat only wanted to do "Quark", >and Lemmy claimed he had only heard that song once, when the album came out. >Oh well, coulda be a sight worth seeing...Motordamned doing Hawkwind! > >Dave Coincdentally enough, Rat is over in LA at the moment signing to Cleopatra, of all labels! The Damned's website is http://www.thebeach.com there might be a /damned at the end of that, if you don't get through. -- Jon Browne From JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM Thu Jun 20 20:08:12 1996 From: JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM (JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 20:08:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: Patti Smith Message-ID: I guess I was expecting more from Patti Smith's appearance...one song only and NO INTERVIEW at all, not even a quick hello. The song ws cool and the shots of Tom Verlaine and Lenny Kaye added to Patti's appearance. From JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM Thu Jun 20 20:08:08 1996 From: JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM (JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 20:08:08 -0400 Subject: HW: Update: US Covers Message-ID: Allan, I got mine yesterday (6/19) and will listen to them sooooon. Thanks so much for all of your efforts to make this event a reality. A job well done !! Jeff Riedle From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Jun 21 02:28:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 02:28:00 BST-1 Subject: Quick! - Where's the p Message-ID: I'm wavering over whether to go to Brixton... I've just spent more than I intended (because I was greedy) on a new Mac laptop, and I'm still suffering from a bad cold that's had me off work. However I've got some local friends going along. However, I've got a company meeting tomorrow evening. Hmm. Whatever, you're quite welcome to stay over here if you like Mike - I've got a spare bedroom down here in Tolworth. Give me a shout at work (0181 875 9500) if you like. Gordon. From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jun 20 21:28:10 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 12:28:10 +1100 Subject: Quick! - Where's the p Message-ID: On 21 Jun 96 Gordon Hundley wrote about Re: Quick! - Where's the p: > I'm wavering over whether to go to Brixton... I've just spent more than I > intended (because I was greedy) on a new Mac laptop, and I'm still > suffering from a bad cold that's had me off work. However I've got some > local friends going along. However, I've got a company meeting tomorrow > evening. Hmm. Hey - I've got an idea: Quit work and go to the gig ... but first pawn the Mac (who needs it anyway?) ..... and donate the cash to a more worthy cause (ie: Airfare for deprived Aus Hawkfan ...) And the dream goes on ..... Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jun 20 21:32:16 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 12:32:16 +1100 Subject: Hawkwind Codex database? Message-ID: On 20 Jun 96 M Holmes wrote about Re: Hawkwind Codex database?: > It's megalomania of course but it'd be great to start such a project and > just add to it as we went. Sonique seems to be good at this sort of > stuff. Sonique would *like* to have the time to be good at this sort of thing ...... I'm surprised that you say that actually! I have grand plans for my WWW pages, but for some reason my boss thinks that my programming experience is better utilized earning him money ;^) > I'll copy this to the list just in case we have enough volunteers to > make a start on such a project. I guess if we had enough people we could > agree a specification and share out the effort... I have less time available than I did last year (as you've probably noticed with the reduction of BOC-L mail from me this year), but in any case, I offer whatever services I can to this worthy (?) project. Sonique (not really an Assassin at all .... I have a Robot for that!) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jun 21 10:12:22 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:12:22 BST Subject: HW: Paradiso, Amsterdam Message-ID: > > Hi there, > > All of you who are going to HW at the Paradiso next Wednesday, > you all have tickets? > > See you at The Bulldog at eight, > Jerry > Only for the flight so far....don't tell me...it's sold out or something. What was it a certain band once sang, "paraNOIA, paraNOIA, paraNOIA". Any chance you get me a ticket? If you can I promise I won't mention the football all night.....4-1...ooops sorry it just slipped out. :) bye - Rob From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 20 13:04:49 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 18:04:49 +0100 Subject: HW : HLL or not? In-Reply-To: <199606201426.PAA24063@easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <199606201426.PAA24063 at easynet.co.uk>, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes > >Ha, I'm getting reminded of more HLL tracks that I really like all the time! >This is doing my case no good at all! Oops, just remembered "Sea King" too, >another one I really like!! In fact, I think I like most of his HW stuff! >Again though, I think he brought a more straight-forward "rock" approach to >the band. I much prefer the more "spacey" side they've been into of late. My >least favourite HW gig was Acid Daze in '87, which I think summed up the >"too much rawk" sorta thing, But weren't the Damned / Naz Nomad *fantastic* that night! That's the only time i've ever seen a drum kit on fire! In the supertent as well. And Rat was still playing! I remember the sound was pretty sludgy that night. And the kick-drum was so loud it hit you in the throat, which was kinda fun at first but after a while I had to move back a bit..Yikes! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 21 04:35:16 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:35:16 +0100 Subject: OFF : Damned was HW : re-HLL or not? In-Reply-To: <199606201426.PAA24076@easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <199606201426.PAA24076 at easynet.co.uk>, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes >>Isn't Simon over in Nik's camp at the moment? >>-- >>Jon Browne >> >> > >Oh yeah, forgot about this "sides" business. My two favourite bands (The >Damned and HW) both seem to be having this problem at the moment, with >ex-members trying to take over the band. Very sad, and from experience, it's >all down to money. Sad but (I think) true. The situation with the ol' Damned >is even worse than HW though. Imagine if Dave Brock ended up sitting at home >with no band left while "Hawkwind", made up of various ex-members toured the >"greatest hits" round the country! > >Dave (not Brock...or Vanian!) Amazing behaviour innit? I don't think Rat's sitting at home though. As I said, he's in LA right now. He also mentioned something about not being interested in trotting out 20 years of back catalogue, but preferred to get on with something new, and didn't want to do _anything_ if it wasn't *brilliant*! But this is too off, so sorry everyone, I'll shut up for a bit. -- Jon Browne From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Fri Jun 21 05:58:16 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:58:16 +0100 Subject: OFF Pink Floyd In-Reply-To: <199606210900.KAA15473@listserv.rl.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Stephen Swann > Subject: Re: OFF - Pink Floyd > Well, he was their lyrical and conceptual creativity. Personally, > I think the real musicianship was in the hands of the other guys. I agree.. there are some marvellous musicians out there but if they havn't got anything interesting to play then they might as well call themselves Take That (or somethin!) > From: Guido Vacano > Subject: Re: OFF - Pink Floyd > > I think Radio KAOS is serious work of art, while Gilmour's albums are > merely great music. :-) I agree... again.. and I also love Dave Gilmours Solo stuf for what it is - a 'Soft' Rock album with some beautiful tunes, cheerful ditties and lyrics. "Cruise you are making me sing Now you have taken me under your wing Cruise, we both know you're the best How can they say you're like all the rest Saving our children, saving our land Protecting us from things we can't understand Power and Glory, Justice and Right I'm sure that you'll help us to see the light And the love that you radiate will keep us warm And help us to weather the storm" Dave Gilmour But it's the Pink Floyd stuff that 'grabs you by the throat' and shakes you upside down that I associate with RW... music for the mind? I'll shut up now on this topic coz I've pissed everyone off :( Maxine From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Jun 21 06:05:52 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:05:52 +0100 Subject: Quick! - Where's the pub??? Message-ID: Carl says - > on the weather. Oh, and currently sporting a fair smear of facial > fuzz, owing to requirements for an upcoming part as a film extra > (long story ....). I've heard some wild excuses for having a bad beard, but this takes the biscuit. :-) Er, my chin needs protection from the sun... Tim ObCD: Dead Can Dance _Into the Labyrinth_ ObTrack: 'The Ubiquitous Mr. Lovegrove_ From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Fri Jun 21 06:15:39 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:15:39 +0100 Subject: Quick! - Where's the pub??? In-Reply-To: <199606210900.KAA15473@listserv.rl.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > FoFP said.. > Bart said > > So who else is going? Will I finally spot the mud-covered Maxine? Tim? > > Nah. When they're playing about 1000 yds from my doorstep, it invalidates the > need to travel 80 miles, *and* eat bad pizza all night :-) Yeah but washed down with 10 year old malt whiskey... it wasn't too bad. There's always the kebab?! Well... if Tim's not going then I can't be bothered either ;) - seriously tho' it's soooooooo tempting. My motorcycle started making 'gurgling' noises this morning on the way to work so I've taken it home and tucked it up in bed.... which means I'm at the mercy of public transport.. the bus stop home is next to the train station. I know how to get to Brixton, I know the pub, I like the beer... I'm in need of a HW fix to alleviate my worried mind..... I need the money to fix the bike ....arrrrrrrrrgh! I guess I'll have to wait until the Langtree Festival... that's 100% a definate must go... and only a month away, weyhey! :) Have a good night y'all, Maxine p.s. thanks to Dave Berry for mailing the tapes.. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Jun 21 06:34:00 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 06:34:00 -0400 Subject: Quick! - Where's the pub??? Message-ID: Maxine >Yeah but washed down with 10 year old malt whiskey... it wasn't too bad. *Sixteen* year old, I'll have you know! No cheapskate me :) (Sixteen year old doom, did someone say?) > Well... if Tim's not going then I can't be bothered either ;) - seriously > tho' it's soooooooo tempting. C'mon - you know you want to (And I've got some nice bluegrass CDs you'll enjoy :)) - Andy From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Jun 21 06:35:40 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:35:40 +0100 Subject: Quick! - Where's the pub??? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:15:39 BST." Message-ID: Maxine writes - > > > So who else is going? Will I finally spot the mud-covered Maxine? Tim? > > > > Nah. When they're playing about 1000 yds from my doorstep, it invalidates > > need to travel 80 miles, *and* eat bad pizza all night :-) > > Yeah but washed down with 10 year old malt whiskey... it wasn't too bad. Point taken. We did rather decimate Andy's whiskey resources though. Somebody buy him a pint for me tonight. > There's always the kebab?! :-P 'Hurl on deck...' > Well... if Tim's not going then I can't be bothered either ;) Hmm, yeah I guess if I don't go, you have nobody's nose to make fun of !! ;) Tim "don't look at me in profile" From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 21 04:48:38 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:48:38 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Codex database? In-Reply-To: <9606201648.aa15676@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9606201648.aa15676 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes > >If you do get it complete with notes into Access, I'd appreciate a copy >of the file. > Blimey, someone else who uses Access! Can I "me too" that request? -- Jon Browne From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 21 08:32:04 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 08:32:04 -0400 Subject: HW: Paradiso, Amsterdam Message-ID: > Only for the flight so far....don't tell me...it's sold out or > something. What was it a certain band once sang, "paraNOIA, > paraNOIA, paraNOIA". More than one band did that. I actually prefer the Bauhaus "Paranoia, Paranoia" song out of the candidates... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 21 08:32:19 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 08:32:19 -0400 Subject: Quick! - Where's the pub??? Message-ID: >Carl says - > >> on the weather. Oh, and currently sporting a fair smear of facial >> fuzz, owing to requirements for an upcoming part as a film extra >> (long story ....). > >I've heard some wild excuses for having a bad beard, but this takes the >biscuit. :-) > >Er, my chin needs protection from the sun... "Everyone knows you can't grow a beard in space... therefore you must all be aliens!" - nameless police officer in "The bearded men of station alpha-7"... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jun 21 09:00:22 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:00:22 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeons Gig Tomorrow Night Message-ID: Hope to see some of you listmembers at tomorrow's Brain Surgeons gig at Mama Kin in Boston (on Lansdowne Street, right behind Fenway Park's historic "Green Monster"). I'm sure I'll see Al and Deb ;-) , and Rudy tells me he'll be there -- anyone else? For those that don't know me, I'll wearing jeans and a black Brain Surgeons t-shirt (Eponymous cover), and no doubt standing in front of the stage during the show - usually I'm hanging out near the bar by myself before the set, however my brother and sister will be with me tomorrow night. Stop by and say "Hi". Oh, and I'm about 5'11" with short brown hair - and some people have told me I look like Kevin Bacon (go figure). John ObBrainSurgeonsLyric: "Shakespear in cyberspace, free as a feather animating emergencies, for you dining dis-pleasure." From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 21 09:11:41 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:11:41 +0100 Subject: Quick! - Where's the pub??? In-Reply-To: <199606211035.LAA23187@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Jun 21, 96 11:35:40 am Message-ID: > Point taken. We did rather decimate Andy's whiskey resources though. Somebody > buy him a pint for me tonight. I owe Andy at least a pint anyway! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 21 09:17:11 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:17:11 +0100 Subject: Quick! - Where's the pub??? In-Reply-To: <199606211005.LAA22945@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Jun 21, 96 11:05:52 am Message-ID: > > Carl says - > > > on the weather. Oh, and currently sporting a fair smear of facial > > fuzz, owing to requirements for an upcoming part as a film extra > > (long story ....). > > I've heard some wild excuses for having a bad beard, but this takes the > biscuit. :-) Strange but true! ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Jun 21 09:48:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:48:00 EDT Subject: BRAIN: Brainhead rally Message-ID: Since I'm jealous as hell of the list members going to see HW starting today, I want to make the BS gig(s) in the next week an event to get into. So how about starting the Brainheads? The Mama Kin gig tomorrow is near and NYC next week is not a long haul. Tickets aren't hard to come by. For distinctive dress we can wear BS Tees and maybe head bandages with red marker spots. I'm willing to pilot to NYC next week if others want to go. The NYC Porcupine Tree concert the next day is another draw. It's summer and I want to party. I'm looking at this as a goof to have fun with. I'll see if I can get a Brainball or 2 to bring along. Rudy At least one idiot will be bandaged Ob BS gig song: "I Play the Drums" From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Fri Jun 21 09:56:04 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:56:04 -0400 Subject: HW: well Porc Tree really Message-ID: Rudy says: > The NYC Porcupine Tree concert the next day is another draw. > Hey wait a minute, where did you find out about this Rudy ? Is there a tour involved or just an odd gig ? I'd love to catch these guys (but NYC is a little far) Cheers, Steve L. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 20 12:50:53 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:50:53 +0100 Subject: Quick! - Where's the pub??? In-Reply-To: <9606201613.aa05518@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9606201613.aa05518 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >So who else is going? Will I finally spot the mud-covered Maxine? Tim? >Gordon? Let me know and I'll look out for you. *IF* I make it, I'll be wearing a bright red Primal Scream T-shirt. Dyed reddish hair with a chunk of fringe bleached blonde. Surprisingly young looking :)) Down the front for MINTY -- Jon Browne From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Jun 21 10:19:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:19:00 EDT Subject: OTHER: re- well Porc Tree really Message-ID: >> The NYC Porcupine Tree concert the next day is another draw. >Hey wait a minute, where did you find out about this Rudy ? Is there a >tour involved or just an odd gig ? >I'd love to catch these guys (but NYC is a little far) >Cheers, >Steve L. Keith H. mentioned this. It is on 6/27, the day before their Baltimore appearance (and that's it for the US). Tickets are $5!! I've got the details printed, but at home, as far as venue. It is a smallish club though with no advance sales. It's definitely being considered, and my tape gear would be with me. Rudy From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Jun 21 10:19:45 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:19:45 -0400 Subject: OFF Pink Floyd In-Reply-To: from "Maxine Wesley" at Jun 21, 96 10:58:16 am Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > Since this *is* so wildly off topic, this will be the last post I make on the subject... > > From: Stephen Swann > > Subject: Re: OFF - Pink Floyd > > > Well, he was their lyrical and conceptual creativity. Personally, > > I think the real musicianship was in the hands of the other guys. > > I agree.. there are some marvellous musicians out there but if they > havn't got anything interesting to play then they might as well call > themselves Take That (or somethin!) Oh, I pretty much agree on that point. I think that the Floyd are fairly crap without Waters. But I also thought that Waters was a stranded genius since he left - no way of communicating his ideas through music without them. The head separated from the body; both are pretty useless without the other. > I agree... again.. and I also love Dave Gilmours Solo stuf for what it is > - a 'Soft' Rock album with some beautiful tunes, cheerful ditties and > lyrics. Well, I wouldn't call it soft rock. In this country, that encompasses such music as Michael Bolton, and Phil Collins' recent solo work . :-) [ quotation from "Cruise" - tbe most beautiful (beautifully cynical) ballad ever written to a nuclear missile ] > But it's the Pink Floyd stuff that 'grabs you by the throat' and shakes you > upside down that I associate with RW... music for the mind? Oh, I know. We'll never hear another _Wish You Were Here_ from them, without Waters. I don't listen to modern Floyd much: _Momentary Lapse of Reason_ had some fine musical moments, but not much depth, and _Division Bell_ didn't spark more than a flicker of interest in me. > I'll shut up now on this topic coz I've pissed everyone off :( I don't think anyone was pissed off. The Floyd thing is kind of old news by now, and everyone's pretty much made up their minds what they think about it... :-) Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Jun 21 11:25:43 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:25:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: Would somebody care to tell me what kind of music these guys are? Thanks. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jun 21 11:41:00 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:41:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: <199606211525.LAA08512@phantom.mindvox.com> Message-ID: Steve asks: > Would somebody care to tell me what kind of music these guys are? They evoke a goodly sense of yer very own chinas, Pink Floyd! (They are also kind of ambient; heavily layered/textured soundscapes. This is going purely on what I've heard on _The Sky Moves Sideways_ and the _Stars Die_ EP.) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Material, _Live in Japan_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From stayer at PI.NET Fri Jun 21 20:56:38 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:56:38 PDT Subject: HW: Paradiso, Amsterdam Message-ID: Rob, >> All of you who are going to HW at the Paradiso next Wednesday, >> you all have tickets? >> See you at The Bulldog at eight, >> Jerry > Only for the flight so far....don't tell me...it's sold out or > something. What was it a certain band once sang, "paraNOIA, > paraNOIA, paraNOIA". :-) No, even at the Paradiso they don't expect it to get sold out. But if you wish, I can get you a ticket. Tell me how much do you need? (I know, some of you mentioned with how many they would be invading Amsterdam, but I didn't keep track of that!) Tickets cost 18 guilders (15 at the door), and you will have to pay another 4 guilders at the door for a month's subscription. (Strange policy, but I guess that part is what goes directly to the Paradiso instead of a percentage of ticket sales.) > Any chance you get me a ticket? If you can I promise I won't > mention the football all night.....4-1...ooops sorry it just > slipped out. :) Don't you ever do that again! :-) No, kidding. I really couldn't care less. I'm not interested in football at all, nor any other sports. Except skiing! And have a little beer now and then. /That/ (the beer, not the skiing) is what made me go to the pub and watch little parts of the game. If you reply tonight (Friday) or tomorrow morning (Saturday), I mean, if I have your answer by tomorrow morning, I will get a ticket right away (Saturday). Otherwise, it will be Monday afternoon. TTYL, Jerry From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Fri Jun 21 12:50:44 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:50:44 -0500 Subject: [off] Moorcock and drugs (was Re: HW: The Quest for Levitation/Needlegun) In-Reply-To: <31C66C23.17BE@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > OK. First of all, both Jerry Cornelius and Elric are (soul) junkies. > Cornelius used to shoot speed and heroin and snort cocaine. Both Elric > an Yrkoon had a black sword, Stormbringer and Mournblade, and both Frank > and Jerry Cornelius each had a black Needlegun (but they also used > vibraguns and heat guns). Like most of the Eternal Champion's weapons, > they were splinters of some evil, sentient hell-thing which plagued all > of the Eternal Champions to some extent, most noticably Cornelius and > Elric. I wouldn't say that Jerry was ever concerned about his use of drugs or the assorted armaments that MM gave him. It was the fantasy characters who suffered the doom of the Eternal Champion--while JC was an aspect of such, he never felt to me like he was too worried about using the Black Sword (and in fact probably never really knew about the larger issues lurking in the EC background and resolved in _The Quest for Tanelorn_). > I believe these weapons are Moorcocks > metaphors for certain drugs being weapons against one's own inner > demons, but all to often with a bad catch in the end (if drugs are taken > for that reason alone- escape from oneself, they'll catch up with you in > the end). If you limit the interpretation to drugs, I think you're missing the point of the symbols: power, in any form, corrupts, and has its price; reliance on external sources of power/definition of self/morality/ whatever, ultimately results in the destruction of freewill (which is why the EC kills off the gods of the worlds in which he manifests--religion being just another drug/tool/weapon in MM's symbology). Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Jun 21 13:13:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:13:00 EDT Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree is like this Message-ID: >Would somebody care to tell me what kind of music these guys are? They taste like chicken. Actually, some say early Floyd, but I don't see it. They are spacey, but more ambient than Floyd. Just as an interesting sidebar, I saw their disc in the New Age section of a VA record store last week. Maybe Ozrics on 'ludes might be the best I could say. At $5 you wouldn't put much at risk by going and could really like them if that is the underlying issue. What they do live versus what they do in the studio is little know because they don't tour much. If I recall, they did a recent gig in the UK that really impressed somebody on the list. Rudy From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Jun 21 14:16:40 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:16:40 -0400 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree is like this In-Reply-To: <31CA4C7A@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Jun 21, 96 01:13:00 pm Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > > >Would somebody care to tell me what kind of music these guys are? > > They taste like chicken. Actually, some say early Floyd, but I don't see > it. They are spacey, but more ambient than Floyd. Just as an interesting > sidebar, I saw their disc in the New Age section of a VA record store last > week. Maybe Ozrics on 'ludes might be the best I could say. At $5 you > wouldn't put much at risk by going and could really like them if that is the > underlying issue. Well the real underlying issue is that they're playing on a date that puts them back-to-back with the Brain Surgeons, and since it's hard to get home from a concert before midnight (actually, before 2am), I'll probably be a wreck if I try to make both. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Jun 21 14:18:05 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:18:05 -0400 Subject: OTHER: re- well Porc Tree really In-Reply-To: <31CA23C2@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Jun 21, 96 10:19:00 am Message-ID: Rudy answered Steve L. with... > > >> The NYC Porcupine Tree concert the next day is another draw. > > >Hey wait a minute, where did you find out about this Rudy ? Is there a > >tour involved or just an odd gig ? > >I'd love to catch these guys (but NYC is a little far) > >Cheers, > >Steve L. > > Keith H. mentioned this. It is on 6/27, the day before their Baltimore > appearance (and that's it for the US). Tickets are $5!! I've got the > details printed, but at home, as far as venue. It is a smallish club though > with no advance sales. It's definitely being considered, and my tape gear > would be with me. Yep....here it is again, for those who missed it the first time.... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ There will be one New York gig: Thursday June 27th @ Don Hills (the corner of Spring and Greenwich Streets) This will be a special U.S. debut showcase with their guests/labelmates, Poppyseed. The show will be from 7-10pm AND there will be grab bag giveaways, etc. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Again, no advance ticket sales, and only a $5 cover at the door..... so get there early I'd suggest. The Baltimore gig is actually two days later, on Sat. the 29th. The other bands that are performing that day are...'Fourth Estate', 'Miriodor', and 'Iluvatar'. These are more-or-less 'straight' prog groups...Iluvatar sounds like Pendragon or Marillion, for example. Tix are $25...or $40 for both days (there are 4-5 bands playing on Sunday as well). The event is called ProgScape. There is a webpage you can look at for more details...don't have the URL handy, should be easy to search on. See ya' there.....Keith H. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Jun 21 14:27:26 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:27:26 -0400 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree is like this In-Reply-To: <31CA4C7A@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Jun 21, 96 01:13:00 pm Message-ID: Rudy said... > > >Would somebody care to tell me what kind of music these guys are? > > They taste like chicken. Actually, some say early Floyd, but I don't see > it. They are spacey, but more ambient than Floyd. Just as an interesting > sidebar, I saw their disc in the New Age section of a VA record store last > week. Maybe Ozrics on 'ludes might be the best I could say. At $5 you > wouldn't put much at risk by going and could really like them if that is the > underlying issue. What they do live versus what they do in the studio is > little know because they don't tour much. If I recall, they did a recent > gig in the UK that really impressed somebody on the list. > > Rudy > Their (or his, I should say....Steve Wilson is the real creative force behind this band, although they are now a 4-piece touring group) real strongpoints lie in the atmospherics and dynamics, plus Wilson's Gilmour-esque guitar soloing. Imagine Gilmour playing Hillage material. The songs (which can get quite long at times) have a tendency of lulling you into a rhythmic ambient slumber (like Spiral Realms or Nic Potter music), but then all of a sudden, they hit you with a barrage of sound (a sonic attack??) and raucous fury. I'll be interesting to see how this plays out live. I've heard they're fantastic live, but I wonder if there's some trade-off, ie. some loss of the extremes, say, countered by some more energy to the 'rock' parts & soloing. It'll be fun....Keith H. P.S. For a formula, I'd say add 2 parts Pink Floyd to 1 part of System 7.3 (Water disc) or 'Rainbow Dome Music'. Add a pinch of 'techno' (not too much). From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Jun 21 15:32:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:32:00 EDT Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree is like this Message-ID: >Well the real underlying issue is that they're playing on a date that >puts them back-to-back with the Brain Surgeons, and since it's hard to >get home from a concert before midnight (actually, before 2am), I'll >probably be a wreck if I try to make both. :-) That's the only reason I could consider going. Where's that Buffalo honed grit? Rally! Rudy From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Jun 21 18:52:22 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 00:52:22 +0200 Subject: HW: very close to my home Message-ID: Hi there I can't believe it !!! HAWKWIND will play on 17.07.1996 only 7 (seven) miles from my home!!!!! Bernhard From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Fri Jun 21 19:08:19 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 19:08:19 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeons Gig Tomorrow Night Message-ID: Hi Folks, I expect to be at the Surgeons Gig. I'll Be wearing a tan soft baseball cap and have a gote'. Say Hello! Rich From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Fri Jun 21 19:21:51 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 18:21:51 -0500 Subject: HW: US Covers: Update Message-ID: On the status of $ rec'd so far, I've gotten $ from Karl Hiller, Doug Bates, John McIntyre, Randy Abeck,Keith Henderson, Mike McCollum, Jeff Riedle, Jerry Guizar, Ron Jennings, Chris Boxley, Chris Steir, Frank Weil, Alan Siebert, Wylie Stone, Stephen Lindsey, Paul Mather, Duane Hoyt, Mike Fuller, Richard Crump, and Stephen Swann. Thanks! Also, there are some sets left if you still want one but missed the deadline. I put 6 sets in the mail today: Chris Steir, Alan Siebert, Frank Weil, Stephen Lindsey, Paul Mather, and Duane Hoyt. Per the usual, they were priority mail, so you should have them by Tuesday. That leaves me 4 sets for people I've got $ in hand (should go out Monday). If I haven't rec'd $ from those below in the meanwhile, then I'll begin duping sets for the contributors (including you Henrik ;-) I've not received funds from the following folks yet: do please send them in ASAP, as the tapes are only slightly more than 1/2 paid off thus far... > >Just how many list members want a set? From: donnell at epx.cis.umn.edu (brian) From: Hawkwind00 at aol.com (ray) From: Martyn White From: John Majka From: John McCartney Also, would Wylie Stone please resend me his address (I couldn't decipher my note on your envelope :-( Lastly, would Andy Apold please contact me. Thanks! Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sat Jun 22 01:09:34 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 00:09:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Mike Coleman has a few more questions Message-ID: 1) What inserts *originally* came with the Japanese WotEoT? 2) Have the other Charisma LPs been released in Japan besides ASAM (which Mike Coleman has seen on Bernard's list)? Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Jun 22 02:30:46 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 01:30:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Alien 4 in the US Message-ID: On 20-JUN-1996 13:52:41.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >From: GrifMus >To: Rudich >Subject: Re: Alien 4 >Date: Thursday, June 20, 1996 1:23PM >In a message dated 96-06-19 11:12:12 EDT, you write: >>I saw an ad in a recent Goldmine that you had released Hawkwind's >Alien 4 in >>the US. On a mailing list I saw somebody state that it was not out >from >Griffin, but another company. Could you clear this up for me? >Alien 4 is available currently only in Europe. If it's here in the >states, any label that is claiming distribution of this title is being >unlawful. >Griffin will be releasing that title this year, but the contracts are >still in negotiation. >Thanks, >Griffin Music Hmmm. I just got a catalogue from Metal Disc and they have Alien 4 for domestic price ($15.99). Chuck `[1;34;46mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 21 12:49:35 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:49:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: <199606211525.LAA08512@phantom.mindvox.com> Message-ID: In message <199606211525.LAA08512 at phantom.mindvox.com>, Stephen Swann writes >Would somebody care to tell me what kind of music these guys are? > >Thanks. :-) > >Steve >swann at panix.com They *are* Pink Floyd. I only heard of them through BOC-L but I'm well converted. Actually I prefer them to Floyd because their stuff, despite being so similar, manages not to sound pompous and overblown while still retaining _that_ sound. Try _Sky Moves Sideways_. I love it. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jun 22 06:23:32 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 11:23:32 +0100 Subject: HW: About last night.. In-Reply-To: <199606212252.AAA05423@exit.ruhr.de> Message-ID: Mornin' all! Aren't you up yet! I got back from Brixton about 6 this morning (left the gig about 5.30a.m.) , kissed the kids and went straight to work. It was really terrific meeting you guys, I really had a great time. It's been a year or two since I drank a whole gallon of beer , I hope I wasn't too over-friendly. I know I spent most of the Ozrics shouting in Bill's ear, (sorry, Bill ;)) The Hawks were pretty good too! I'm _starting_ to get used to Ron a bit, and it was good to see them do PSI Power and Steppenwolf. To be honest, I can't remember half the songs they did, erm, wonder why? Anyone taking notes? Oh man, it's taken me 40 minutes and two cups of coffee to write the above. I feel like a 286 this morning. ;) Jon Browne From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sat Jun 22 08:23:26 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 08:23:26 -0400 Subject: HW: Brixton Message-ID: A most excellent HW show - very little fucking about, and lots of BLANGA BLANGA BLANGA!!!! Best I've seen 'em for years! - Andy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jun 22 08:57:07 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 13:57:07 +0100 Subject: HW: About last night.. In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Jun 22, 96 11:23:32 am Message-ID: > Mornin' all! Jon wins the prize for first post, but at least I get a second! :) > Aren't you up yet! I got back from Brixton about 6 this morning (left > the gig about 5.30a.m.) , kissed the kids and went straight to work. Gee, I lost track of nearly everyone during the Ozrics and just about everyone else after the Minty set when Jazza and I staggered away into the London dawn. By the time the tube opened we had staggered as far as Vauxhall-- I was significantly fuelled by finding a 7-Eleven (when did _those_ hop the Atlantic!?) with *Ben & Jerry's*! Exit one carton of Choclate Fudge Brownie :) Probably the last I'll see of that kind of thing before I next make it back to the States. Caught the 6:38 to Cambridge from Liverpool St., made it into Cambridge just after 8, cycled home, keeled over, and lurched back into life shortly before noon. And here I sit now. > It > was really terrific meeting you guys, I really had a great time. It's > been a year or two since I drank a whole gallon of beer , I hope I > wasn't too over-friendly. I know I spent most of the Ozrics shouting in > Bill's ear, (sorry, Bill ;)) Yes, it was indeed excellent to meet up with people I've seen before--with special honors (with American spelling :) to my fellow Yanks whom I haven't seen since the Limelight and New Haven gigs last year. The next people to bump into them, do send my extra greatings since I lost track of Bill & Co. as the Ozrics were firing up! Plus, it was very cool to meet all the list-ers whom I hadn't seen before :) "We'll meet again, who knows when ...." :) > The Hawks were pretty good too! I'm _starting_ to get used to Ron a bit, > and it was good to see them do PSI Power and Steppenwolf. To be honest, > I can't remember half the songs they did, erm, wonder why? Anyone taking > notes? "Woah!", boys and girls: Woah! Can we say "Aerospaceage Inferno"? I knew we could! That was a big surprise. Gig started with "Psi Power" (rather a surprise as well!), ended with "Elfin/Silver Machine/Welcome". Encore was "Secret Agent"(!!) followed by "Abducted". That was interesting, though to similar to the "Welcome" ending. Since they've been doing the SM/Welcome ending for a while, I think they might have ditched that, used "Abducted" there and ended the encore on a more rockin' note. The last song of the set and the encore were a little to similar in feel to be most effective, I thought. Not a big deal though. What came in between? Well in no particular order, I remember "Steppenwolf" (far out!), Blue Skin, Photo Encounter, Assassins/Space Is Their Palestine, Kapal, Love in Space, Sputnik Stan, Xenomorph ... mmm, memory is failing. I got a tape of it, I think--slight glitch when someone bumped into me in Psi Power and stopped it for a moment, and I had to flip the tape right after the bass solo in Sputnick. For the benefit of our StarRat link back to HW, don't worry--no extra-legal commerical thing will come outta the tape. For archival purposes only and that sort of thing, copies on request to list members once I get the tape sorted out. That's assuming it _did_ come out worth a damn--potential recorder malfunctions aside, the mix at the show was rather muddy. Often difficult to pick out Alan's bass, in particular. We'll have to see how this affects the tape. Overall, the show was _really_ impressive. Not only did the Hawks trot out some keep surprising selections, but the BLANGA quotient was quite high and the canned sequencer instrumentals were kept at a relative minimum. Though you could still watch them wandering about poking into the backs of things with torches while the instumentals were playing sometimes ;) Gotta get some more humans on that stage Dave! Being on before the Ozrics and in front of some of their equipment had the unexpected bonus of forcing them closer to the front of the stage as well, so you could see them much better than during the last Brixton gig in the autumn. Even so, Dave spends too much time hiding behind his gear--there was general cheering whenever he emerged during a song, but he always went back in, eventually. Still, he actually looked like he was having a good time quite a lot, as did Alan and Richard (who _knows_ what Ron may have been thinking!? :) which is a good sign. Not enough guitar solos--someone please tell Dave we *like* his guitar playing. Get 'im out in front of the audience and hammering away in tandem with Alan :) Very few vocals from Dave as well ... A brief note on the Ozrics: They were very good as well! Some great stuff. I remember being surprised to hear "Eternal Wheel". They might have had better sound than HW, though their bass was too low and their drums too high, IMHO. I fear their light show blew Hawkwind's away! And Minty had more naked people on stage. Clearly Hawkwind needs to address these issues ... And a brief word on Minty--less said the better, and I can't really think of an adequate description. I can't say it was _bad_ since that implies the possibility it could have been _good_ and I don't think those are relevant terms here. Seemed like some kind of fearsome nightmare born of the sensibilities of Nik Turner and a wildly perverted kind of technoid-Gong, with the jazz replaced with a touch of Pantera? I would say it was odd. But to finish off on a Hawkish note, looks like a good tour coming up! Wish I had the cash to make it to more shows. Oh, no new material that I noticed--wonder if they've got anything in the works ...? Right, check it out if you can! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jun 22 09:02:34 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 14:02:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton In-Reply-To: <960622082325_419446335@emout09.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jun 22, 96 08:23:26 am Message-ID: > A most excellent HW show - very little fucking about, and lots of BLANGA > BLANGA BLANGA!!!! > Best I've seen 'em for years! Whoops! Andy's post arrives while I'm typing mine--guess I'll have to settle for third response :) But I agree--the performance was up over my 2 US shows and UK show last year and if the sound had been a bit better (like it was in NYC-- great sound at that show) I'd be very interested to seem them better themselves in this day and age. I'm very interested anyway :) Oh, I think they got better crowd response than the Ozrics still! Lots of hammering and shouting for the encore, and I think people were just going into shock by the time the Ozrics were done. Hawkwind played longer than Ozrics too (I think they stole some of OTs stage time ;) :) HW were scheduled for 90 minutes and as best I can estimate played around 110 or so. More than 90, anyway ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Jun 22 10:04:43 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:04:43 +1000 Subject: HW: very close to my home In-Reply-To: <199606212252.AAA05423@exit.ruhr.de> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > Hi there > > > I can't believe it !!! > > HAWKWIND will play on 17.07.1996 only 7 (seven) miles from my home!!!!! > Alright!!! Enough gloating. More punishment is dished out on the Aussies. First the BOC gigs, then the BS, and now HW, what is a serious rocker to do? Troy From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jun 22 09:45:36 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 14:45:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Carl E. Anderson" writes > Oh, I think they got better crowd response than the Ozrics still! I should hope so too! I've been seeing the Ozrics on and off for 15 years. Christ, my (long since defunct) band gigged with them dozens of times and , great blokes etc., they aren't 5% of the band the Hawks are, never will be. I don't think I'm upsetting too many people on this list, but I cannot believe how many people are into this outfit and have never heard of Gong / Hillage etc. I mean "Eternal Wheel" you just mentioned, that's from a Gong lyric for a start. I doubt if there were many US Ozrics fans who flew in for the show last night! >Lots of hammering and shouting for the encore, and I think people were >just going into shock by the time the Ozrics were done. Hawkwind >played longer than Ozrics too (I think they stole some of OTs stage >time ;) :) HW were scheduled for 90 minutes and as best I can estimate >played around 110 or so. More than 90, anyway ;) It seemed like 10. ;( >Cheers, >Carl -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jun 22 09:47:43 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 14:47:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton In-Reply-To: <960622082325_419446335@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In message <960622082325_419446335 at emout09.mail.aol.com>, Andy Gilham writes >A most excellent HW show - very little fucking about, and lots of BLANGA >BLANGA BLANGA!!!! > >Best I've seen 'em for years! > >- Andy Very succinct, Andy! What time did you get in? -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jun 22 10:30:03 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 15:30:03 +0100 Subject: HW: very close to my home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Troy Harris writes > Alright!!! Enough gloating. More punishment is dished out on the Aussies. > > First the BOC gigs, then the BS, and now HW, what is a serious rocker >to do? Easy. start "The Australian Hawks / Brain Surgeons / BOC " (delete where applicable) Come on. There has to be some compensation for living in Europe! I went to Aus once, I loved it. I think you're dead lucky living there. Apart from having to start tribute bands, of course. :) At least Monster Magnet come over! -- Jon Browne From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Jun 22 13:16:21 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 13:16:21 -0400 Subject: HW: Brixton Message-ID: >years. Christ, my (long since defunct) band gigged with them dozens of Your long since defunct band was named "Christ"???? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jun 22 13:54:06 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 18:54:06 +0100 Subject: HW: very close to my home In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Jun 22, 96 03:30:03 pm Message-ID: > > Alright!!! Enough gloating. More punishment is dished out on the Aussies. > > First the BOC gigs, then the BS, and now HW, what is a serious rocker > >to do? > > Easy. start "The Australian Hawks / Brain Surgeons / BOC " Actually, there _was_ an Australian Hawklords, or something like it once! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jun 22 14:05:27 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:05:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Jun 22, 96 02:45:36 pm Message-ID: > I've been seeing the Ozrics on and off for 15 > years. Christ, my (long since defunct) band gigged with them dozens of > times and , great blokes etc., they aren't 5% of the band the Hawks are, > never will be. To an extent, I agree. I like the Ozrics a lot, but they don't carry the interest for me of Hawkwind. I mean, I was absolutely grooving through the OT set, and there were some amazing moments. In some ways, I can see how it was better than HW, though overall for me Hawkwind was more exciting. > I don't think I'm upsetting too many people on this list, > but I cannot believe how many people are into this outfit and have never > heard of Gong / Hillage etc. I mean "Eternal Wheel" you just mentioned, > that's from a Gong lyric for a start. I've heard a fair bit of Gong and Hillage--I actually have _Fish Rising_ on CD, and that's a great album. Although ultimately, I think I like OT better than Gong/Hillage. > I doubt if there were many US Ozrics fans who flew in for the show last > night! Actually, I wouldn't be _utterly_ surprised. The Ozrics have a dedicated following in the States, many of whom have joined since the last tour, or who couldn't make the previous tours. Since no one knows if/when the Ozrics will hit the States again I could see it happening. Even so, I don't think it would have the pilgramage aspects that it does for our listmembers. Even counting OT's origins in the early 80s, they're still a young band compared to HW, and the never played the States at all until a couple of years back. Not the same as coming to England all these years after the SR tour to the States in 73! I believe I heard Ron announce a thanks to our listmembers who came from the States at the end of the show :) > >HW were scheduled for 90 minutes and as best I can estimate > >played around 110 or so. More than 90, anyway ;) > > It seemed like 10. ;( Man, you better be glad you weren't at the NYC show last year. What was that? 65? 75 minutes? There were nearly riots :P Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Sat Jun 22 15:54:15 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 21:54:15 +0200 Subject: BOC : The Goldmine Story Message-ID: Hey all, I'm sorry to bring this thread back up but I just received my copy of the Goldmine article (thanks again Manuel ! :-) and finished reading it (took me a few hours *grin*). I just can't refrain from commenting ! First off, I found it fascinating, interesting and very informative. There are a few things, though, which disappointed me. NOT the fact that no real explanation was given to Al being fired (as John, I wasn't really surprised about that), but rather things like : 1) no mention is made whatsoever to Michael Moorcock (and I believe no one else has commented this on the list). They even go upfront saying that "Veteran of the psychic wars" was "written by Bloom" ?!?!? and this is backed up by Joe himself who adds : "I think it's Eric's best song"... what the @#!@$ ??? I love that song, but to not give credit to Moorcock seems a heresy to me ! And if this is supposed to tell BOC's History, then it really would have been interesting to read on how the band had met MM... 2) and I also noticed that "Godzilla" is only once briefly mentioned, whereas I always thought that song to be one of the band's most famous... I think it would have deserved further coverage. 3) and no mention is made (except in the discography) of "Bad Channels" and how the band got involved in the project. This, too, would have been an interesting story to hear... especially after reading the band's comments on the "Heavy Metal" experience ! OTOH, what I liked most in this article was the fact that its author didn't (seem to) take position. He just plainly stated some facts (however frustrating that may be) and quoted band members without getting into the details. But I think that's how it should be. As someone said before (I think it was John ?) the details on the whys and hows are private matters which only the concerned need (and should) be privy to. All in all, still a very enjoyable read... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rock In Progress - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6891 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Jun 22 16:31:59 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 16:31:59 -0400 Subject: BOC : The Goldmine Story Message-ID: >Hey all, > > 1) no mention is made whatsoever to Michael Moorcock (and I believe >no one else has commented this on the list). They even go upfront saying >that "Veteran of the psychic wars" was "written by Bloom" ?!?!? and this is >backed up by Joe himself who adds : "I think it's Eric's best song"... what >the @#!@$ ??? I love that song, but to not give credit to Moorcock seems a >heresy to me ! And if this is supposed to tell BOC's History, then it really >would have been interesting to read on how the band had met MM... I thought it mentioned someone saying that Eric was a fan of his and sought him out. Or maybe it was some other interview.... I'd be more interested in knowing how their relationship ended; they had three good songs on con- secutive albums, and then I heard that Moorcock wrote the lyrics for another song that they ended up ditching for some reason in favor of... can't recall which RBN song it was, "Light Years of Love"? Anyways, soon after, those lyrics showed up in a Hawkwind song (memory check: "Sleep of a thousand tears?"), HW does an entire concept album based on Moorcock stuff and he joins them for the LC performance.... Did they do something that drove him away and may have resulted in him getting back in touch with HW??? The FAQ mentions Bloom and Moorcock doing two songs together (Black Blade and Veterans) at a Science Fiction convention in 1987, which would be after the CotBS tour, I think, so it doesn't seem to be any ill feeling between the two.... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Jun 22 16:55:05 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 16:55:05 -0400 Subject: TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC: Football Result Message-ID: Would any one who is awake in blighty care to tell me how England did today? Ta! Martyn From hdboc at TELEVAR.COM Sat Jun 22 16:55:33 1996 From: hdboc at TELEVAR.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 13:55:33 -0700 Subject: BOC : The Goldmine Story Message-ID: Alex, I agree with the points you made. Plus, no mention was made of Stoned Age or how that came about. Jack http://j-and-a.com/boc.html Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > Hey all, > > I'm sorry to bring this thread back up but I just received my copy of the > Goldmine article (thanks again Manuel ! :-) and finished reading it (took me > a few hours *grin*). I just can't refrain from commenting ! > > First off, I found it fascinating, interesting and very informative. There > are a few things, though, which disappointed me. NOT the fact that no real > explanation was given to Al being fired (as John, I wasn't really surprised > about that), but rather things like : > 1) no mention is made whatsoever to Michael Moorcock (and I believe > no one else has commented this on the list). They even go upfront saying > that "Veteran of the psychic wars" was "written by Bloom" ?!?!? and this is > backed up by Joe himself who adds : "I think it's Eric's best song"... what > the @#!@$ ??? I love that song, but to not give credit to Moorcock seems a > heresy to me ! And if this is supposed to tell BOC's History, then it really > would have been interesting to read on how the band had met MM... > 2) and I also noticed that "Godzilla" is only once briefly > mentioned, whereas I always thought that song to be one of the band's most > famous... I think it would have deserved further coverage. > 3) and no mention is made (except in the discography) of "Bad > Channels" and how the band got involved in the project. This, too, would > have been an interesting story to hear... especially after reading the > band's comments on the "Heavy Metal" experience ! > > OTOH, what I liked most in this article was the fact that its author didn't > (seem to) take position. He just plainly stated some facts (however > frustrating that may be) and quoted band members without getting into the > details. But I think that's how it should be. As someone said before (I > think it was John ?) the details on the whys and hows are private matters > which only the concerned need (and should) be privy to. > > All in all, still a very enjoyable read... > > Alex S. Garcia. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) > Generation Scenario > (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) > http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire > The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction > http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Rock In Progress - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6891 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stayer at PI.NET Sat Jun 22 23:31:15 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 20:31:15 PDT Subject: HW: very close to my home Message-ID: >> I can't believe it !!! >> HAWKWIND will play on 17.07.1996 only 7 (seven) miles from my home!!!!! > Alright!!! Enough gloating. More punishment is dished out on the > Aussies. > First the BOC gigs, then the BS, and now HW, what is a serious rocker >to do? Move out to Europe or USA? No, kidding. However... I always say that if I would move out of Holland, there are a couple of places I could go to. It had to be an English-speaking country, since that's the only language I speak besides Ducth. That leaves me with UK or USA, because Australia and New Zealand, although I think those are very nice places to visit, are too far away from the rocking world. Hm, just my opinion. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sun Jun 23 01:45:59 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 22:45:59 PDT Subject: Sex Talk Message-ID: They love it when you do, they love it when you don't You love it when she will, sod it if she won't The Language Of Love what they say, and what they mean Before... I love it when you do that - That's the least obnoxious thing you can do for me without dying Not here, darling - This is England Not there, darling - That's the hot water bottle You're a wonderful man - You're ugly, I'm desperate You've got a sexy nose - It looks like a dildo Your kisses torment me - You've got a bad breath Your lips are like petals - Bycicle petals Your cheeks are like peaches - Football peaches I love you - You're playing hard to get Do you love me? - Are you drunk? Do you truly love me? - I've been two-timing you Do you really love me? - Mummy says you're a transvestite Do you really really love me? - I wonder if I could have a fur coat? Do you think we should? - Are you on the Pill? Is it safe? - Where's your husband? You really must make your mind up soon - We can't hang around this motel park all night I'll hate myself in the morning - I'll hate you in the morning During... You're incredible - I don't believe a word you say I've never felt like this before - God, I've been lucky I don't think I've ever felt like this before - I think I'm pregnant Isn't love wonderful? - How did we get into this position? I think I could stay like this forever - How do we get out of this position? Please don't stop - Go home You make me feel so young - Christ, you look old I'm in love - I'm in, love Oh! - I'm stuck Whoops! That's torn it Gnumpf? Can you move your foot? Gnuypf? Can you move my foot? Agh! Please don't move - I've got pins and needles Agh! Please please don't move - I feel a premature ejaculation coming on You haven't, have you? - You have, haven't you? Not so (gulp) hard, darling - You're hurting my tonsils After... Well, are you going to ask me to marry you? - Or shall I tell daddy to fire you? You were made for me - Probably on a Friday afternoon You can make love superbly - So why didn't you? I'll never find another you No one could be that unlucky Can we get married soon now? - My wedding dress has started to go green I don't regret a minute - It's all those wasted years that really annoy me Do you still love me, darling? - Have you been seeing that bloody barmaid again? I'll ring you I never want to see you again I've had a wonderful time - But this wasn't it Did you feel the earth move? - Or was your dog under the bed again? There's one thing I meant to ask - I'd like my money back, please Don't ever change - A barmaid's hiding in the wardrobe Is that it? - I must remember to buy some mushrooms Darling... I'm pregnant I could lie here all day - Don't you think it's time you got up and made some tea? Jerry From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Jun 22 17:36:27 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:36:27 +0200 Subject: TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC: Football Result Message-ID: At 16:55 1996-06-22 -0400, you wrote: > Would any one who is awake in blighty care to tell >me how England did today? England-Spain 0-0 after 2x45 + 2x15 - then 4-2 penalties France-Holland 0-0 after 2x45 + 2x15 - then 5-4 penalties >Ta! > >Martyn \\joe From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sat Jun 22 20:07:01 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 20:07:01 -0400 Subject: HW: Brixton Message-ID: Jon >Very succinct, Andy! What time did you get in? In bed by 3:45. Dawn was breaking... No-one mentioned the girl on the trapeze during "Love in Space"! She was pretty awesome. Try *that* at home!!! Did I mention that "Sputnik Stan" was pretty fucking heavy? Or that I hadn't seen them do "Steppenwolf" since 1978? Or that you could have got 100-1 on them starting with "Psi Power"? (We had "Death Trap" as 2-1 favourite, but it didn't even make an appearance :) Carl - what was that about a Hawkfrendz web site? Have I said "BLANGA" yet on this post? :)) - Andy ObCD: Francoise Hardy: _Le danger_ From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sat Jun 22 21:12:15 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 21:12:15 -0400 Subject: BOC : The Goldmine Story In-Reply-To: <199606222031.QAA00787@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Andrew A. Apold wonders: > I thought it mentioned someone saying that Eric was a fan of his and sought > him out. Or maybe it was some other interview.... I'd be more interested in > knowing how their relationship ended; they had three good songs on con- > secutive albums, and then I heard that Moorcock wrote the lyrics for another > song that they ended up ditching for some reason in favor of... can't recall > which RBN song it was, "Light Years of Love"? Anyways, soon after, those > lyrics showed up in a Hawkwind song (memory check: "Sleep of a thousand > tears?"), HW does an entire concept album based on Moorcock stuff and he > joins them for the LC performance.... Did they do something that drove > him away and may have resulted in him getting back in touch with HW??? I think the thing they did was (surprise, surprise) not to pay him for the work he did. I remember this as the reason cited by Moorcock in an old _Interzone_ interview, and, I believe, it was reiterated in the tape interview that listmembers (I think) Jill and FoFP did. (Is that interview archived anywhere?) I could be wrong, though. Btw, I agree that it's pretty despicable the way Bloom seems to have usurped the credit for "Veterans..." > The FAQ mentions Bloom and Moorcock doing two songs together (Black > Blade and Veterans) at a Science Fiction convention in 1987, which would > be after the CotBS tour, I think, so it doesn't seem to be any ill feeling > between > the two.... Similarly, I have a recollection of Moorcock saying he wouldn't work with them again. I guess it's a case of once bitten, twice shy... Mind you, Bloom must be a pretty big fan of Moorcock's. Didn't he buy the film rights to the Elric stories? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Material, _Live in Japan_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sun Jun 23 02:11:56 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 01:11:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ben&Jerry's (was HW: Brixton) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The following is a paraphrase - not a direct quote - of something Carl E. Anderson said, since I accidentally deleted the original message before remembering to respond: > ...so we stopped by a 7-Eleven (when did *they* jump the Atlantic?!?) > to get some *Ben & Jerry's*. One carton of Chocolate Fudge Brownie to > go! Cool! Choc.F.Brownie is my fave too. Cherry Garcia a close second. :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From chrisr at TIAC.NET Sun Jun 23 05:46:03 1996 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (chrisr) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 02:46:03 -0700 Subject: Brain Surgeons Message-ID: Saw the Brain Surgeons a few hours ago in Boston. Very good music. The BS songs I was not very familiar with, but it all was very heavy guitar rock. They did four BOC songs "Career of Evil", "Dominance and Submission", "The Red and the Black", and "Cities On Flame", all of which were excellent. After the music was over, Albert hung around and talked with the crowd. No admission charge to get in. Very cool experience. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 23 07:33:25 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 12:33:25 +0100 Subject: Brain Surgeons In-Reply-To: <31CD125B.285F@tiac.net> from "chrisr" at Jun 23, 96 02:46:03 am Message-ID: > Saw the Brain Surgeons a few hours ago in Boston. Very good music. The > BS songs I was not very familiar with, but it all was very heavy guitar > rock. They did four BOC songs "Career of Evil", "Dominance and > Submission", Oh wow! D&S!! How was that? I've been waiting to hear a tBS version of that--did anyone tape it? Far out, man ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 23 07:44:52 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 12:44:52 +0100 Subject: BOTH: Hawkfrendz and Bolle (was Re: HW: Brixton) In-Reply-To: <960622200700_419710471@emout13.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jun 22, 96 08:07:01 pm Message-ID: > No-one mentioned the girl on the trapeze during "Love in Space"! She was > pretty awesome. Try *that* at home!!! I meant too, but forgot. Actually, that reminded me of a cooler version of the girl-in-a-cage at the Limelight last year ;) Maybe after seeing that the Hawks figured, "Hey, we should have scantily clad women drifting over the stage during our set!" > Carl - what was that about a Hawkfrendz web site? Ah--Talking with Trevor Hughes of Hawkfrendz, he doesn't have net access, but he gave me a handful of his little publications, so I said I'd slap some info from them up on the web, and make a little Hawkfrendz WWW site. Plus, turns out Trevor is and old mate of Bolle Gregmar and has really gotten into BOC in the past few years! He thinks _Imaginos_ is an incredible album (and rightly so!). :) However, he's lost contact with Bolle, so can someone send me Bolle's address or his boc-fan-club address? Trevor asked me to pass Bolle his postal address so they could hook back up. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From chrisr at TIAC.NET Sun Jun 23 11:59:24 1996 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (chrisr) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 08:59:24 -0700 Subject: Bolle Gregmar Message-ID: The address listed for Bolle Gregmar in the Gopl The address listed for Bolle Gregmar in Goldmine is: Morning Final PO Box 931324 Los Angeles, CA. 90093 or online at BOCfanclub at AOL.com From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sun Jun 23 12:13:23 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 11:13:23 -0500 Subject: [off] PTree NY live online (fwd) Message-ID: I thought many of you might be interested to hear the following: Allan. ------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 21:09:34 +0100 From: delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk (Ivor Trueman) Subject: Live Cybercast of New York gig SonicNet will be cybercasting Porcupine Tree's gig in New York on 27th June LIVE - time is about 9pm EST (or around 2am the morning of the 28th for us UK insomniacs). Check out the details at: http://www.sonicnet.com/sonicore/ To hear the braodcast you'll have to (obviously) have a soundcard - and run something like Netscape, with Real Audio 2 loaded. To check-out the process before hand go to sonicnet - (make a cup of tea while waiting for the site to download), click on the soundlink bit in the yellow bar & follow the links to download the Real Audio player & hear what's on offer at the site. Quality through my naff soundcard & crappy speakers is like poor AM reception - but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than a flight out there! With a bit of luck - the broadcast will be remaining on the sonicnet site, so even if it's beyond bedtime, you'll still be able to tune in for some time... Cheers Ivor ------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sun Jun 23 17:29:09 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 17:29:09 BST Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree is like this In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:13:00 EDT Message-ID: > They are spacey, but more ambient than Floyd. Odd. I haven't heard their records, but I've seen them live twice (supporting HW and Gong), and I would say they're like Floyd playing Meddle or Wish You Were Here, but with outbursts of energetic rock. They're pleasant listening, but I haven't gone for Floyd-style music since Waters went off the deep end and brought out the execrable Wall in 1979. Dave. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sun Jun 23 16:56:10 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 17:56:10 -0300 Subject: HW: Gonzo Brixton Message-ID: Hawkwind are on stage, in a pool of melting light. You're behind the main crowd, so that you can see the stage from where the floor begins to slope upwards. Your chemically-enhanced vision makes out Ron, draped in a wolfskin, darting around the two dancers. Dave, Alan and Richard have dropped the pace from the powerful beginning to a wash of eerie synthesisers. And now they start to build it up again, slow, inexorable, inevitable; like the materialisation of a brainstorm coming towards you down an empty path on a moonlit night. The anticipation builds within you, reaches out to the music, welcoming it, desiring it, and the music responds, continuing its relentless crescendo. Finally it hits; it's here, it's always been here, waiting; there is no such thing as *a* Hawkwind gig, there is only *the* Hawkwind gig, ever-present, out of normal time. The music moves your body, fills your soul. This time flows on from last time, and will flow into next time, and the intervening moments are just illusion; you've been doing this for twenty years, and it's still growing and changing and developing and it's still the same, unchanging, immediate feeling of pure music... Dave. "The instruments seemed to be communicating in some intergalactic language of pure sound. None of them knew a word." -- Doremi Fasol Latido, sleeve notes. From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Sun Jun 23 13:02:23 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 19:02:23 +0200 Subject: HW: Gonzo Brixton Message-ID: >Hawkwind are on stage, in a pool of melting light. You're behind the main >crowd, so that you can see the stage from where the floor begins to slope >upwards. Your chemically-enhanced vision makes out Ron, draped in a >wolfskin, darting around the two dancers. Dave, Alan and Richard have >dropped the pace from the powerful beginning to a wash of eerie synthesisers. >And now they start to build it up again, slow, inexorable, inevitable; like >the materialisation of a brainstorm coming towards you down an empty path >on a moonlit night. > >The anticipation builds within you, reaches out to the music, welcoming it, >desiring it, and the music responds, continuing its relentless crescendo. >Finally it hits; it's here, it's always been here, waiting; there is no such >thing as *a* Hawkwind gig, there is only *the* Hawkwind gig, ever-present, >out of normal time. The music moves your body, fills your soul. This time >flows on from last time, and will flow into next time, and the intervening >moments are just illusion; you've been doing this for twenty years, and it's >still growing and changing and developing and it's still the same, unchanging, >immediate feeling of pure music... > >Dave. So... I guess you really had a bad time, eh ? ;-)) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rock In Progress - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6891 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Sun Jun 23 15:10:06 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 14:10:06 -0500 Subject: The Cyberspace Interviews Message-ID: Hi all, The Cyberspace interviews are now up on the Official WWW Site. http://www.hawkwind.com/ The first interview that Hawkwind fans on the net can conduct is with Dave Brock himself. I will only have the submission form up for the next two weeks, so you had better get the questions in while you can. Yours, Dale ----------------------------------------------------------- Welcome to the Future The Official Hawkwind WWW Site Star_rats at hawkwind.com ------------------------------------------------------------ From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Jun 23 17:00:30 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 23:00:30 +0200 Subject: HW: US vs. European Releases Message-ID: hi, while browsing the Griffin pages, http://www.griffinmusic.com/text/h-q.htm I've found those items has completely different artwork from the original european releases: Live Chronicles Chronicles of the Black Sword This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic Undisclosed Files: Addendum (just *slightly* different) Quark, Strangeness and Charm Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music Mighty Hawkwind Classics Friends & Relations: The Rarities Best of Hawkwind, Friends and Relations the last one seems also to have different tracklist than the Emporio/Anagram version - ICU/Space Invaders and HW/Psy Power is missing on the Griffin one. Is it a web page fault, or is this a case for the Codex? the last two - f&r related - has a quite high catalouge number, and I've not heard anybody spot them - is those out yet? \\joe From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 01:06:11 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 01:06:11 BST Subject: HW: Brixton, Brentwood and onwards Message-ID: Right, well I've done my bit of the tour - couldn't make it to Guildford unfortunately but when last seen Bill Stewart and partner and Ron ?Jennings and partner were looking fit and well and making plans to head out that way tonight - they should just about be getting back now! It was good to meet up with all the folk I did meet and sorry to miss whoever I didn't catch. Hawkwind were pretty awesome at both venues - there was a more extensive light show (not as intense as the Ozrics but more varied) at Brentwood but otherwise the set was the same. I *think* this is it: Psi Power Blue Skin Steppenwolf Hassan I Sahba/Space is their Palestine Sputnik Stan Xenomorph Blue shift Love In Space Aerospaceage Inferno Silver Machine Welcome (encore) Secret Agent Abducted (I think it's this track - will have to check) It started fairly moderately with Psi Power and then was a really powerful sound up until Blue shift. Steppenwolf had tremendous drive behind it and Ron Tree didn't try to present the song in the same way Calvert would have done. He dressed up in a wolf skin (only he had to hold the nose up away from the microphone the whole time!) but sang the words fierce and fast and absolutely straight with the beat. It was excellent. Space Is Their Palestine just gets better each time it comes across with more levels being added all the time and even Xenomorph came across well with a really powerful surging rhythm. Blue Shift slowed everything down though and it stayed that way for a long time which (at Brixton) gave the trapeze artist time to do her stuff (very effective too - I'm glad she got some applause at the end) and at Guildford there were a couple of acrobatic dancers on stage throughout. Aerospaceage Inferno is a terrific track - I really, really like that one - magnificent - and then a good fast Silver Machine. The encores were a bit disappointing - Secret Agent rambles and ?Abducted with its long descriptions doesn't really send people away jumping with enthusiasm but in all it was an excellent show. Best audience particupation was during Steppenwolf and Silver Machine and (at Brixton) calling for the encore! Venue negatives: Brixton - the rubber floormats (don't sit down) and at Brentwood the slowness of bar service (20 mins wait to get a half pint which we had to drink in seconds when the band appeared on time since no drinks could be taken into the show itself!) and the seriousness of the security guys (who I feared were going to insist on everyone sitting down decorously in their seats - there'd have been a riot!). One of them even tried to tell Trev Hughes he wasn't allowed to stand next to the stage - but that error was gently explained to him! Oh - and Kris Tait and friend did the fireeating/flamethrowing and other firey performance to keep up all awake, concentrating and warm. Think that's all. I'm going to sleep now.... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Sun Jun 23 21:51:48 1996 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 21:51:48 -0400 Subject: BOC: Buffalo Show 6/23/96 Message-ID: Here is the set list: Stairway To The Stars Before The Kiss (A Redcap) E.T.I. The Vigil Burnin' For You Godzilla The Reaper Thats all she wrote folks!!!! For a mere $25, I was able to see 7 songs... They sounded fantastic tonight so it wasn't a total loss. Unfortunatly the set wsa cut short due to the fact that this was a "Classic Rock" fest and Randy Bachman had to get on stage and perform those awful BTO songs that we all know and hate. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jun 22 09:19:54 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 14:19:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Time For Sale In-Reply-To: <960521184818_201316862@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Got the lyrics for Time For Sale (Calvert) off Trev Hughes last night. Checked the lyric file and they're not there so.... This *might* be on the new 1974(ish) Live album. (which he said Dave gave him a copy of 15 years ago, and he's been trying to get released ever since.) "-Transribed by Trev Hughes from Bob's (unfinished) song as performed by Hawkwind on their 1976 tour. Unpublished. (Bob/Dave mantrics ommited)" Time For Sale (Calvert) Roll up everybody, here's an offer you can't refuse. If you're wasted price'll show ya' more surprise if you've got the blues Wouldn't you like to tell that card from way back before you fail? Why don't you take a look at my stock, I've got time for sale. Works out quite expensive but you've a lot of time to pay So don't be apprehensive come on, buy up the time today Wouldn't you like to tell that card from way back before you fail? Oh Why don't you take a look at my stock, I've got time for sale. time for sale. time for sale. time for sale. Got what you need - it's all guarenteed You can have a time of a whale If the boss don't suit ya - you can try on the ledger You don't have to pay on the nail - I've got time for sale. 'ere.....D'you wanna buy some time? Want to buy some time? Coz' I've got second-hand time for sale. second hand time second hand time for sale. Take a look in his pouch You see what I see there? That's Helen Of Troy there! - He got Helen Of Troy there! You can have her if you pay for time second-hand time first hand time I've got first hand time, once upon a time a second a second a second a second I sicken for this time second hand time time time first hand time time time I can sell to you an hour or a complete eternity I can sell to you the power to have complete immortality Wouldn't you like to be the boy who could make the old mantra quale Lying in the arms of Helen Of Troy I've got time for sale -- Jon Browne (Surprisingly mild hangover clearing, with the help of Electric Tepee!) From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 04:18:34 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:18:34 +0100 Subject: TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC: Football Result In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960622233741.07bf9f7c@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Johan Edlundh wrote: > At 16:55 1996-06-22 -0400, you wrote: > > Would any one who is awake in blighty care to tell > >me how England did today? > > England-Spain 0-0 after 2x45 + 2x15 - then 4-2 penalties > France-Holland 0-0 after 2x45 + 2x15 - then 5-4 penalties > And it's England vs. Germany on Wednesday, as Germany beat Croatia 2-1 yesterday (which IMO was an unfair reflection of the quality of play, but it's a funny old game Brian, etc...) Dave From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 04:47:03 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:47:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: <199606220900.KAA11989@listserv.rl.ac.uk> Message-ID: Rudy said... > > >Would somebody care to tell me what kind of music these guys are? I guess they're a bit like early Pink Floyd - without Syd B or Roger Waters ;) Maxine From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Jun 24 10:06:25 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:06:25 BST Subject: HW: Crappest HW gig I've been to Message-ID: I've long sinced realised that my tastes vary greatly from most people on the list, however I'm very surprised that so many people liked the gig at Brixton on Friday. They started off well enough, Psi Power and Assassins sounded great, but the rest of the set was very uninspiring. Possibly my two least favourite HW tracks are Steppenwolf and Secret Agent both of which were aired and I was very disappointed when what sounded like the intro chords to Damnation Alley turned into Siver Machine. The sound quality was the worst I've ever heard at a gig, it sounded very flat, the bass and drums were muddy for Hawkwind, but were fine for the Ozrics (therefore one can assume that HW's engineer should be shot). To cap it all, the lighting also left a lot to be desired. Luckily the Ozrics were excellent, Minty was...errrr...entertaining and Tribal Drift were cool so the gig wasn't that bad on the whole. bye - Rob From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jun 24 05:16:27 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:16:27 +0200 Subject: HW: US vs. European Releases Message-ID: Johan Edlundh wrote: > > hi, > while browsing the Griffin pages, > http://www.griffinmusic.com/text/h-q.htm > I've found those items has completely different artwork from the original > european releases: > > Live Chronicles > Chronicles of the Black Sword > This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic > Undisclosed Files: Addendum (just *slightly* different) > Quark, Strangeness and Charm > Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music > Mighty Hawkwind Classics > Friends & Relations: The Rarities > Best of Hawkwind, Friends and Relations Also, their "Church of Hawkwind" sleeve is different, I believe (I'm not sure, but I think the tracks appear in a different order than the original as well). Some of the Griffin ones have bonus tracks, I think. I do prefer the original artwork though, since I find most of Griffin's own artwork somewhat tacky and obviously computer generated..... I mean, if it ain't broke, don't fix it! Why change some of the classic album covers just because they are re-releases? Perhaps Griffin is cashing in as much as possible on the collector's market with this tactic??? > > the last one seems also to have different tracklist than the Emporio/Anagram > version - ICU/Space Invaders and HW/Psy Power is missing on the Griffin one. I have 3 "Best of Friends and Relations" CDs.... the Griffin ones are probably just a different US versions of them with slightly different tracks. > Is it a web page fault, or is this a case for the Codex? > > the last two - f&r related - has a quite high catalouge number, and I've not > heard anybody spot them - is those out yet? > Yup, I got 'em both, (but I'm not sure if one of them is a Griffin version). Christian From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 05:23:17 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr Pepper (they call me Mister Pibb)) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:23:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton & Guildford In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Chumleys Here is my version of events, with Brixton being the happier and more blurred Blanga extravaganza. Firstly good to see everyone and have a chat - it is good to have faces to names now, and maybe by the next time we meet I will actually be able to remember names. (So here goes with my recollections of who was there; Carl, Jazza, Mike, Jill, Rob, Andy, Dave, Jon, Bill, Ron & SOs) Finding that no-one of interest was playing until 11 was a bit of a blow seeing as we had got in at 9ish. However it was not too packed and it was easy to get down the front and get as close to the reclusive Brock as possible. As for the psi power start, well I was a bit disappointed with this, I thought the mix was poor and couldn't hear Ron's vocals at all followed by Blue skin which was so average that I forgot about it all over the weekend until I saw it again last night. Then on came Ron with his sheep in wolf's clothing look, and it became better, and when they got to the bit 'Ich weiss nicht was ich sagen solle' it was as if the mix suddenly came into focus, I could hear everything, and it was a huge moment of complete and utter blanga, hurrah. The acrobat dancers at this point were doing an excellent interpretation, with blue and red dresses looking very elegant, with cups and saucers being very sophisticated and then whirling away in a mad dance. All in all I was impressed with these 2 dancers. When the belly dancer came on I thought she was OK, but had less variety in what she did - although the costume changes helped and the white chiffon number for Silver Machine was a good choice. Then we were treated to Assassins (which is more concise to type than Hassan I Sahba/Space is their Palestine and as it was petty much like the version from love in space I'll use it) which was brill, as ever, with Ron and the sword and the belly dancer. I just love the bit at the end of the drum bit where I'm getting around to think well this has been good but it is almost techno *and then* Dave's guitar thunders in and suddenly I remember why I like HW. Sputnik Stan was marvellously heavy - I remember thinking if only this was a bit faster it could be motorhead. Then they did Xenomorph, which had a fast bit in and lo indeed it was like motorhead. There was a slow bit in the middle (I don't know what it was), which was good to be able to breathe for a bit, then back to dancing (or rather joggling around a bit, pointing at the ceiling and all that). Love in Space was very brill, and impressive trapeze artistry. In fact there was a fast bit in love in space, just adding to the blanga quotient. I wasn't sure about Aerospaceage Inferno (well that isn't entirely true - at Brixton I thought it was most excellent, but at Guildford I wasn't so blown away with it), but the rope artist fitted in quite well. Elfin filled up the time between AI and Ag Machine, which is as good as it has been recently - very fast and furious. Finishing with Welcome is a brilliant end to the concert, and I will be sorry if it ever gets dropped - OK so there isn't much more they can do with it and it hasn't changed much since they brought it back - but hey it is about as perfect as you can get so leave it alone. Oh yes, the firebreathers were dead good for the show, I was most impressed with them during Assassins. The secret agent was a pleasant surprise, with Ron in his overcoat and shades and hat pulled down low. I was a bit bored by Abducted, it isn't as good as Welcome (but then very few things are) and would be OK if it led into something, but to finish on is a poor choice, although it does mean that the crowd is calmed down. Overall it was marvellous, so I then managed to catch 40 mins sleep during the Ozrics, woke up in time for Minty, and watch it from a respectable distance with Carl and Jazza (well any closer I was afraid we would either be accused of being perverts, or an errant pubic hair would leap out into someones eye and blind them - I mean do these art jazznoise merchants have any health considerations in mind when they divest themselves of their clothes? Do they undergo rigorous safety procedures? I think not). I want to know are minty crap, or does the fact they have naked people on stage in some way atone for the terrible noises they produce? I then saw bits of the DJs, but mainly ended up walking to Covent garden for breakfast at 8am - it was a great morning to be walking through London, isn't it amazing what a Solstice can do to a chap's sensibilities? As for Guildford, well I was a lot more sober which maybe meant that I didn't get into it as much. I turned up to catch the last 2 songs of Captain Rizz which seem more spacey than I've heard them do before. For Hawkwind the set was the same as at Brixton (I think), but I was closer to the band, so was warmed by the fire eaters, got to see dave more, and see him smile. I thought the band were a little more talkative, and the dancers were still being hugely active. Kris managed to set fire to the stage (or rather a towel on the stage) but a bucket of sand saved everyone's life. The photographer who took the photos for the cover of love in space was there. Ron seemed quieter than at Brixton. I think the set lasted exactly the same time (pre-encore set 1h36). I saw Ron Jennings, as he was down the front for the first couple of songs, but missed Bill. It was quite a quiet crowd, and not too lively down the front. Is it just that everyone is getting old? Jolly good all round. Mike w From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jun 24 05:45:52 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:45:52 +0200 Subject: [off] Moorcock and drugs (was Re: HW: The Quest for Levitation/Needlegun) Message-ID: Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > OK. First of all, both Jerry Cornelius and Elric are (soul) junkies. > > Cornelius used to shoot speed and heroin and snort cocaine. Both Elric > > an Yrkoon had a black sword, Stormbringer and Mournblade, and both Frank > > and Jerry Cornelius each had a black Needlegun (but they also used > > vibraguns and heat guns). Like most of the Eternal Champion's weapons, > > they were splinters of some evil, sentient hell-thing which plagued all > > of the Eternal Champions to some extent, most noticably Cornelius and > > Elric. > > I wouldn't say that Jerry was ever concerned about his use of drugs or > the assorted armaments that MM gave him. It was the fantasy characters > who suffered the doom of the Eternal Champion--while JC was an aspect of > such, he never felt to me like he was too worried about using the Black > Sword (and in fact probably never really knew about the larger issues > lurking in the EC background and resolved in _The Quest for Tanelorn_). > > > I believe these weapons are Moorcocks > > metaphors for certain drugs being weapons against one's own inner > > demons, but all to often with a bad catch in the end (if drugs are taken > > for that reason alone- escape from oneself, they'll catch up with you in > > the end). > > If you limit the interpretation to drugs, I think you're missing the > point of the symbols: power, in any form, corrupts, and has its price; > reliance on external sources of power/definition of self/morality/ > whatever, ultimately results in the destruction of freewill (which is > why the EC kills off the gods of the worlds in which he > manifests--religion being just another drug/tool/weapon in MM's > symbology). > Well... you're right! Just read "Death is No Obstacle", BTW, and its quite an enlightening read as well...... Christian From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Jun 24 11:14:20 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:14:20 BST Subject: HW: Antwerp festival Message-ID: Does anyone know who else is on the line up for the Antwerp festival which Hawkwind are playing at on Saturday? bye - Rob From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 07:07:42 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr Pepper (they call me Mister Pibb)) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:07:42 +0100 Subject: Hawk Fairies: Purple Haze - a 2 word review Message-ID: Very Poor Entitled Pinkwind return as... The Hawk Fairies, Purple Haze Recorded Peterborough, 15 April 1995 People Nik Turner Vocals and Sax Twink Drums Judge Trev Guitar & backing vocals Dani Speakman Guitar & backing vocals Commander Johnny Coupland Lead Guitar Danger Sun Bass Captain Rick Trumpet Captain Jim Hawkman Keyboards and synth Sarah Wayne Special guest backing vocals all songs arranged by pinkwind, produced by twink, released on twink records TWK CD5 tracks Masters of the universe (universe, more like puniverse, so poor is this) Space rock 1999 and 7 months (7 months before they find a tune worth jamming to more like, for goodness sake people, listen to the others in the band when you're jamming - that is the whole point of it instead of noodling away pleasing yourself) Thoth (over 11 minutes of it, i ask you) Brainstorm (6mins 40, and some terrible vocals) Foxy lady (who needs Hendrix when you can have a trumpet solo *and* Nik singing) (almost 8 minutes of pub cover band embarrassment) Purple Haze (well, this is almost as good as the version of foxy lady) D rider (the high spot of the album for me, well worth spending over 99 pence on) (over 8 minutes of something they sound as if they have practiced) Stormbringer (the instrumental bit at the end of d-rider) Again this album is marred by poor recording/mixing. I tried listening to it loud, and that didn't help. i know I have got into a habit of slagging off this incarnation of Nik & Twink, but I always feel a bit disappointed by the total crapness of it. I mean I don't like Bring me the Head due to it's terrible recording and poor performance of the songs on it, and this is similar. Live recordings that should never see the light of day. I'm probably so vitriolic because I thought it would be poor, but went ahead and bought it anyway, so have been played for a fool, and lots of bocl members saw that I had bought it and now the sad depths I stoop to. Maybe this will cure me of buying anything on Twink records, but sad to say I doubt it. At least I didn't buy the Twink and Mouse CD, from Pink to Blues, which had no ex-Hawks on it to tempt me into making a fool of myself. Yours, somewhat happier that this is all out in the open Mike w From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 24 05:01:01 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:01:01 +0100 Subject: HW mentioned mostly off: Ozrics at Brixton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Carl E. Anderson" writes > > To an extent, I agree. I like the Ozrics a lot, but they don't >carry the interest for me of Hawkwind. I mean, I was absolutely >grooving through the OT set, and there were some amazing moments. >In some ways, I can see how it was better than HW, though overall for >me Hawkwind was more exciting. > I've heard a fair bit of Gong and Hillage--I actually have >_Fish Rising_ on CD, and that's a great album. Although ultimately, >I think I like OT better than Gong/Hillage. > Well, I guess I must just be prejudiced after spending so many nights waiting to go onstage while they did a two-hour version of the OM riff! (A Gong Cover - I might add) It's just that every time, I wandered over to see them at some festival or rather, they were *always* playing the OM riff - interminably, for years and years. So after a while I stopped listening. Then suddenly, there's this "bigger than Hawkwind" feeling, even on this list. That's when I started thinking "Hang on a minute!" Where's their Lemmy or Nik or Bob or Dave or anyone with that kind of talent. I mean sure Ed is a good guitarist, good as Huw for instance but where's the songs, then? Name one OT tune that's as good as Living On A Knife-Edge, Dying Seas, Ejection, Space is Deep or _even_ Secret Agent. OK, you say, there not like that, it's slightly different music. But the Hawks could jam like that for 48 hours and walk away straight :) >> I doubt if there were many US Ozrics fans who flew in for the show last >> night! > > Actually, I wouldn't be _utterly_ surprised. The Ozrics have >a dedicated following in the States, many of whom have joined since the >last tour, or who couldn't make the previous tours. Since no one knows >if/when the Ozrics will hit the States again I could see it happening. I stand corrected, then! Perhaps you could tell me what's their best Album, as I've only ever seen them live. I'll give them _one_more_chance_! > Even so, I don't think it would have the pilgramage aspects that >it does for our listmembers. Even counting OT's origins in the early >80s, stop me if you've heard it.. I saw them at this party in some disused riding stables about 15 years ago. Went around for a couple of years correcting people " No, no. It's _Osiris Testicle_!" Actually, if I ever get another band together I'm gonna call us Osiris Testicle. ;) > they're still a young band compared to HW, and the never played the >States at all until a couple of years back. Wonder why? > Not the same as coming to >England all these years after the SR tour to the States in 73! > > I believe I heard Ron announce a thanks to our listmembers who >came from the States at the end of the show :) Did he really? Very gratifying. I must have been shouting in someone's ear, then, as well. I actually lost my voice all weekend after that 10 hour-shout-a-thon! It *was* loud ! > > >> >HW were scheduled for 90 minutes and as best I can estimate >> >played around 110 or so. More than 90, anyway ;) >> >> It seemed like 10. ;( > > Man, you better be glad you weren't at the NYC show last year. >What was that? 65? 75 minutes? There were nearly riots :P I'm not at all surprised. Were the tickets nearly 30 bucks that night, too? -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 24 05:12:41 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:12:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton, Brentwood and onwards In-Reply-To: <9606240106.aa09886@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9606240106.aa09886 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes > The encores >were a bit disappointing - Secret Agent rambles and ?Abducted with its >long descriptions doesn't really send people away jumping with >enthusiasm but in all it was an excellent show. I agree. I did enjoy Secret Agent but Abducted is hardly a climactic track to end with. In fact, I was _sure_ they were going to come back on. I think, that's when I shouted myself hoarse! It's *never* enough! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 24 05:50:00 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:50:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, I found another one yesterday for 12 UKP in lovely shape. Had both sides on it this time as well! While I was looking I passed up original Doremi's and Space Ritual's (18UKP) for similar prices. So, as I don't have the cash to buy _every_ original HW LP I come across, I thought I'd ask like if anyone's looking for anything _in particular_ to snag if I come across. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 24 05:20:55 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:20:55 +0100 Subject: TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC: Football Result In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960622233741.07bf9f7c@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: In message <2.2.16.19960622233741.07bf9f7c at eka.ericsson.se>, Johan Edlundh writes >At 16:55 1996-06-22 -0400, you wrote: >> Would any one who is awake in blighty care to tell >>me how England did today? > >England-Spain 0-0 after 2x45 + 2x15 - then 4-2 penalties >France-Holland 0-0 after 2x45 + 2x15 - then 5-4 penalties > > >\\joe England Vs. Germany os Wednesday. That *is* the final! Whoever wins that'll have no bother on Saturday. -- Jon Browne From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Jun 24 11:45:07 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:45:07 -0300 Subject: HW: HW/Ozrics Message-ID: There's been a short thread on rec.music.progressive "comparing" HW and the Ozrics. That's "comparing" as in: "HW did everything the Ozrics have ever done, only better" "No way! HW have none of the synth textures of the Ozrics, and no rhythms beyond a steady rock beat!" So this is what I wrote... (BTW, another completely unrelated thread included a BOC fan asking for HW recommendations, so I told him about boc-l). ---------- Hawkwind and Ozric Tentacles co-headlined a solstice gig in London last Friday, so we got the chance to compare them back to back. It was a good night! I have to agree that the bands are quite different. Hawkwind are more into structure, dynamic contrast, theatre, lyrics, and varied synth textures. They're also heavier. The Ozrics are more into instrumental virtuosity, continual danceability and lots of flashing lights. Hawkwind were in excellent form, with Ron Tree taking various costumes (e.g. a Wolfman, a Secret Agent) and mixing well with the dancers, fire-eaters, and trapeze artists. I found the first half of the Ozrics set rather dull, all flash and no substance, everything turned up to 11 and no variation. But I might have been comparing them too much to Hawkwind; later on I got into what they were doing as a different type of music from Hawkwind, and enjoyed them on their own terms. I don't agree with the suggestions that the Ozrics use more synth textures or rhythms to Hawkwind. This seems to both to underrate Hawkwind and to overrate the Ozrics, IMO. E.g. Hawkwind's "It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous" has loads of synth work; on the other hand most Ozrics material has a "steady rock drum beat" (less so on "Erpland" than on their other albums). Are either band progressive? I think they're both marginal. The Ozrics have the instrumental virtuosity and long instrumentals; Hawkwind have continually progressed during their career, and have the "rock theatre" approach. But neither have the classical/jazz influence, the non-standard time signatures, or the heavy reliance on keyboards or non-standard instrumentation that seems more central to prog-rock. Dave. From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Mon Jun 24 09:43:48 1996 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:43:48 GMT Subject: HW: Antwerp festival Message-ID: Does anyone know who else is on the line up for the Antwerp festival which Hawkwind are playing at on Saturday? bye - Rob There' is Zion Train (reggae?) and much more I've been told from a friend in Antwerp From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 07:57:34 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:57:34 +0100 Subject: BOC : The Goldmine Story In-Reply-To: <199606222031.QAA00787@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: > The FAQ mentions Bloom and Moorcock doing two songs together (Black > Blade and Veterans) at a Science Fiction convention in 1987, which would > be after the CotBS tour, I think, so it doesn't seem to be any ill feeling > between > the two.... > I met Moorcock at a book-signing session many years ago (certainly pre-87) where he said that he was planning to make a whole album with Eric. Presumably this never got beyond the 'ideas' stage? - Mike Godwin From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 24 05:19:10 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:19:10 +0100 Subject: BOTH: Hawkfrendz and Bolle (was Re: HW: Brixton) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Carl E. Anderson" writes > >> Carl - what was that about a Hawkfrendz web site? > > Ah--Talking with Trevor Hughes of Hawkfrendz, he doesn't have net >access, He's a bit a Luddite really! "Trev, Meet Carl from BOC-L" "I fucking hate computers..." says Trev! I've known Trev for a few years through the Comic Marts he organizes, so when I said Hi and who I was expecting to meet that night, he kicked off with the same "I fucking hate computers, don't like technology in general, really." He did say he wanted to meet the BOC-L'ers tho'! > but he gave me a handful of his little publications, so I >said I'd slap some info from them up on the web, and make a little >Hawkfrendz WWW site. Hmm, he mentioned something of distribution of said books to me too. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 24 06:42:23 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:42:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Crappest HW gig I've been to In-Reply-To: <9606240906.AA03628@etlxd20c> Message-ID: In message <9606240906.AA03628 at etlxd20c>, Rob writes > I've long sinced realised that my tastes vary greatly from most > people on the list, however I'm very surprised that so many people > liked the gig at Brixton on Friday. Ahh man, I just had a great _time_... > They started off well enough, Psi Power and Assassins sounded great, > but the rest of the set was very uninspiring. Possibly my two least > favourite HW tracks are Steppenwolf and Secret Agent both of which > were aired Erm, there's worse tracks than those two, for sure :) I cannot abide the cod reggae of Camera that could Lie or the unlistenable Douglas In The Jungle ( Hey, maybe they could do a proper Junglist version ;)) Don't like Dream Worker much , either. I thought the setlist was pretty damn good, really. I was goig to ask this question this week anyway. What's the one HW that makes you cringe. You know, the one that unbelivers must not hear, lest it confirm all their critisms! >and I was very disappointed when what sounded like the > intro chords to Damnation Alley turned into Siver Machine. > The sound quality was the worst I've ever heard at a gig, What any gig? Worst sound you've ever heard at any gig ever? Now I admit, I was a bit sloshed plus a lot of the top-end of my hearing could have been flattened standing next to the Return To The Source system in the foyer, (shouting in Andy and Carl's ear's, this time) however I've been to many many gigs with worse sound. 'awkwind and otherwise. > it > sounded very flat, the bass and drums were muddy for Hawkwind, Where were you standing? I was about 5 or 6 rows from the front to the right (Dave-side) I thought the sound was pretty good, plenty of attack on the drums. To be fair it wasn't the best live mix but it really wasn't _bad_ > but > were fine for the Ozrics (therefore one can assume that HW's engineer > should be shot). >To cap it all, the lighting also left a lot to be > desired. My mate Rob did the lights! I hadn't seen him for 5 years since doing Here & Now's crew together. I wish I'd known, I could have saved the UKP 17 for the tix. :)) The lights could've been better, though, I won't argue! > Luckily the Ozrics were excellent, Now you've lost me. The Ozrics were better? The Testicles could not BE "better than Hawkwind". Dave singing in the bath would be better than the OT's, would it not, listmembers? >Minty was...errrr...entertaining > and Tribal Drift were cool so the gig wasn't that bad on the whole. Plus there were literally 1.000's of Hawkfans, friends old and new , there all night most of whom had had a beer or several, which was even more fun than Tribal Drift. > > bye - Rob The crappest Hawkwind gig I ever went to was Oxford New Age Fayre '85 - no Dave! or the afternoon show at Treworgy when the pre-amp (or something) blew and I couldn't hear the band, even in the second row, because the guy next to me was eating a packet of crisps with his mouth open (or something) :-) However, both these events were terrific fun 'cos I knew loads of people there and had a few beers etc. I must admit, I don't find enjoying these things too difficult, I'd make a terrible reveiwer. -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 08:02:39 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:02:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton, Brentwood and onwards In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Jun 24, 96 10:12:41 am Message-ID: > I agree. I did enjoy Secret Agent but Abducted is hardly a climactic > track to end with. In fact, I was _sure_ they were going to come back > on. I think, that's when I shouted myself hoarse! Yup :) On my tape you can distinctly here Jon bellowing "MORE YOU FUCKERS! MORE!" And that's only the tip of the iceberg in recorded- for-posterity-bocl-participation :) Luckily, most of the singing is actually on key ... ;) More on the tapes in a bit ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 08:13:27 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:13:27 +0100 Subject: HW: HW/Ozrics In-Reply-To: <11381.9606241145@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Jun 24, 96 12:45:07 pm Message-ID: > Are either band progressive? I think they're both marginal. The Ozrics > have the instrumental virtuosity and long instrumentals; Hawkwind have > continually progressed during their career, and have the "rock theatre" > approach. But neither have the classical/jazz influence, the non-standard > time signatures, or the heavy reliance on keyboards or non-standard > instrumentation that seems more central to prog-rock. As an added comment, I think the Ozrics are stagnating a bit these days. They still turn out good albums and shows (I quite enjoyed them at Brixton, and I enjoyed _Become the Other_, most recent album) but there aren't any surprises. I find Hawkwind is still capable of surprising me in terms of song choices in concert (brixton: case in point!) and in terms of playing style. Sometimes, I think their latest directions sucks the big burning bouncy bubonic one, but there's always a good chance that that their next move will be cool. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 08:14:36 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:14:36 +0100 Subject: Hawk Fairies: Purple Haze - a 2 word review In-Reply-To: from "Dr Pepper" at Jun 24, 96 12:07:42 pm Message-ID: > Very Poor I didn't really like the first of the new NikTwink albums that came out a year or so ago either :) :P Anyone want my CD? :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jun 24 08:19:24 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:19:24 +0200 Subject: Which HW records to hide from unbelievers Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > I was goig to ask this question this week anyway. What's the one HW that > makes you cringe. You know, the one that unbelivers must not hear, lest > it confirm all their critisms! Heh... I'd say much of BotBS, really - (it was my first HW album way back in 89 or so, so I still have soft spot for it....), not that its so terrible (apart from the thudding drums), but there's too much 80s sleez rawk....But I think HW's version of Gimme Shelter (on It is the Business of the Future To Be Dangerous... uh... IitBofFtBD...) is the most laughable, sorry attempt at this song (or any song). Actually, I consider the entire album the worst HW record in history. Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 08:18:34 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:18:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton & Guildford In-Reply-To: from "Dr Pepper" at Jun 24, 96 10:23:17 am Message-ID: > Overall it was marvellous, so I then managed to catch 40 mins sleep > during the Ozrics, woke up in time for Minty, and watch it from a > respectable distance with Carl and Jazza (well any closer I was afraid we > would either be accused of being perverts, or an errant pubic hair would > leap out into someones eye and blind them - I mean do these art jazznoise > merchants have any health considerations in mind when they divest > themselves of their clothes? Do they undergo rigorous safety procedures? > I think not). I want to know are minty crap, or does the fact they have > naked people on stage in some way atone for the terrible noises they produce? I chose simply to disbelieve in their entire set. Clearly, reality was on the blink and something grim from Discworld's Dungeon Dimensions had temporarily welled-up onto the stage. I was sure it would go away after a while, like the memories of a bad dream :) And behold, when I got outside and found Ben & Jerries, it was a thing of the poorly remembered past :) Kept me awake until the DJs, anyway. > I then saw bits of the DJs, but mainly ended up walking to Covent garden > for breakfast at 8am - it was a great morning to be walking through > London, isn't it amazing what a Solstice can do to a chap's sensibilities? Indeed, it was a fine morning. Jazza and I made it as far as Vauxhall by the time the tube opened. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 08:24:30 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:24:30 +0100 Subject: HW mentioned mostly off: Ozrics at Brixton In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Jun 24, 96 10:01:01 am Message-ID: Re: Ozrics > Perhaps you could tell me what's their best > Album, as I've only ever seen them live. I'll give them > _one_more_chance_! Hmmm. Well, a lot of people reckon _Erpland_ is their classic. I also enjoy the live album _Live Underslunky_--the opening of Dots Thots on the first track is completely cosmic, actually. I also like _Aborescence_ which is their heaviest album to date, I think--I wish I'd brought it to England with me. I have my CDs of _Erpland_ and _Become the Other_ in Cambridge with me, so could pass you a cassette copy to check out if you wanted. > > Man, you better be glad you weren't at the NYC show last year. > >What was that? 65? 75 minutes? There were nearly riots :P > > I'm not at all surprised. Were the tickets nearly 30 bucks that night, > too? Not quite that bad, but when we got ahold of Richard at New Haven the next night we gave him a good talking too about this. To his credit he managed to pry and extra encore out of the band. Just as they were winding down Sputnik Stan, Richard starting pumping out the drums to LSD. His drums are linked to the MIDI triggers, so he has a lot of control :) Dave looked confused for a minute, but then started grinning and got into it and they jammed for an extra 10 minutes or so. Still too short a set, but it was an improvement! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 08:26:04 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:26:04 +0100 Subject: The Cyberspace Interviews [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: <199606231910.OAA16331@deliverator.io.com> from "Hawkwind" at Jun 23, 96 02:10:06 pm Message-ID: > The Cyberspace interviews are now up on the Official WWW Site. > http://www.hawkwind.com/ > The first interview that Hawkwind fans on the net can conduct is with Dave > Brock himself. > I will only have the submission form up for the next two weeks, so you had > better get the questions in while you can. Should the list consider getting together a bunch of questions so we can submit them with a minimum of repetition? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 08:39:39 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:39:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton set list and recording Message-ID: OK, here is the info on the recording I made at Brixton. The show is just under 110 minutes, not counting the cheering etc. before the encore. As I mentioned, we have major audience participation, especially from the reasonably intoxicated boc-l contingent around me :) Fairly audible, but pretty much in tune (obviously lots of previous practice ;) sing alongs on a number of the songs. You *know* it's a knowledgeable bunch of fans, since you can even hear some singing on "Aerospaceage Inferno"! Also, random commentary on the songs from time to time as people attempt to guess what they are. Not surprisingly, general audience singing on "Silver Machine" is immense .... :) But apart from such amusing distractions, the sound is really not too bad considering it was recorded on a Walkman and the very muddy sound of the mix at various points in the gig. Here's the actual set list, in order. Psi Power Photo Encounter Blue Skin Steppenwolf Assassins (i.e. Hassan I Sabha > Space Is Their Palestine > Hassan I Sabha) Sputnik Stan Xenomorph Vega Love in Space Kapal Aerospaceage Inferno Elfin Silver Machine Welcome to the Future Encore: Secret Agent Abduction Bernard has been going berserk for details on the show and a copy, so there they are. I reckon it will fit best on 2x60min tapes. Once again to soothe possible worries from the band about concert taping, this recording will be traded as "freeware" only, not for sale, etc. I can't imagine anyone would want to bootleg this to sell to anyone anyway! Folks on the list who want a copy should let me know--trades or blanks only, of course, no cash. I know all of us on the list are cool about these things, especially people familiar with the tape trading scene in the States, but I remember the band were very hesitant about taping on the US tour, so I don't want them to freak out or anything. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Jun 24 08:42:03 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:42:03 -0400 Subject: HW: Brixton, Brentwood and onwards Message-ID: Carl wrote > > Yup :) On my tape you can distinctly here Jon bellowing "MORE >YOU FUCKERS! MORE!" And that's only the tip of the iceberg in recorded- >for-posterity-bocl-participation :) Luckily, most of the singing is >actually on key ... ;) More on the tapes in a bit ... Oh Lord... I was next to Carl for quite a lot of the gig... Well, maybe you can add it to the covers tape :) >Sometimes, I think their latest directions >sucks the big burning bouncy bubonic one, but there's always a good >chance that that their next move will be cool. Well, that the thing with Hawkwind, isn't it, just when you've written them off as crap, they blow your mind with a totally excellent gig or album! I was probably the only person at the gig Friday who hadn't heard much Ozrics before! I thought they were basically a good old-fashioned freakout band with a few techno tricks up their sleeve - and a lot tighter than most freakout bands used to be! - but I was a bit too knackered after HW to really enjoy them (though not as knackered as a certain friend of Fernando Poo, who seemed to sleep through most of their set :). - Andy From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jun 24 08:36:06 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:36:06 -0400 Subject: TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC: Football Result Message-ID: >England Vs. Germany os Wednesday. That *is* the final! Whoever wins >that'll have no bother on Saturday. Czech Republic all the way.... (was pulling for Portugal...) +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Jun 24 08:58:22 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:58:22 +0100 Subject: HW: About last night.. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 22 Jun 1996 13:57:07 BST." Message-ID: > Overall, the show was _really_ impressive. Not only did the Hawks > trot out some keep surprising selections, but the BLANGA quotient was quite > high and the canned sequencer instrumentals were kept at a relative minimum. > Though you could still watch them wandering about poking into the backs > of things with torches while the instumentals were playing sometimes ;) > Gotta get some more humans on that stage Dave! Hmm, there was me wonderin' if I could really be assed to go tonight. From the generally positive comments here I think it definitely has to be done. Sounds like you lot had a fun time - I managed to wangle an honourary spin of _HotMG_ at the party I was at saturday but guess I better catch the real thing. > But to finish off on a Hawkish note, looks like a good tour > coming up! Wish I had the cash to make it to more shows. It's only an overdraft 8-) Tim ps: Anyone know if FoFP is lost in space or is he making the Ipswich gig ? From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 10:00:52 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:00:52 +0000 Subject: The Cyberspace Interviews [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > The Cyberspace interviews are now up on the Official WWW Site. > > http://www.hawkwind.com/ > > The first interview that Hawkwind fans on the net can conduct is with Dave > > Brock himself. > Should the list consider getting together a bunch of questions > so we can submit them with a minimum of repetition? > Sounds like a good idea, I've spent most of the morning rejecting ideas for questions to ask ! Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 24 07:38:54 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:38:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton & Guildford In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Dr Pepper (they call me Mister Pibb)" writes >Overall it was marvellous, so I then managed to catch 40 mins sleep >during the Ozrics, Good one, mike! > woke up in time for Minty, and watch it from a >respectable distance with Carl and Jazza (well any closer I was afraid we >would either be accused of being perverts, or an errant pubic hair would >leap out into someones eye and blind them - I mean do these art jazznoise >merchants have any health considerations in mind when they divest >themselves of their clothes? Do they undergo rigorous safety procedures? >I think not). I want to know are minty crap, or does the fact they have >naked people on stage in some way atone for the terrible noises they produce? I didn't watch them so I can't comment on the show but I've bought records by them before so I might be able to fill you in on them a bit. Do you remember Liegh Bowery? Sort of Performance artist , celebrated night clubber and *very* strange dresser? One of his more memorable outfits was Bowler hat, _big_ painted smile 12 times too big for his face which was otherwise made up clown-like, green jacket with circular mirrors, pink tu-tu, umbrella etc. Ring any bells? I think he was more often on the News South-East more often than any music programs withs his socially deviant prankster behaviour. Any after a few years of being famous for being famous he formed Minty, who are a sort of trance - jazz- house techno ish outfit of the type much despised on this list. Leigh sadly died last year, but the band carried on. I couldn't believe it when I saw them on the bill. Only Take That could've been less appropriate :) You'll laugh but apart from the people I know just _because_ they're Hawkfans, I probably know more people who dig Minty than the Hawks'! > >As for Guildford, well I was a lot more sober which maybe meant that I >didn't get into it as much. That's reasurring. Reading the list, I was begininng to think I'd had one too many to appreciate what was going on, because I was too busy running around shouting a lot, socialising and laughing my head off! Erm, Is that six posts? Great, it's lunchtime already, what an exhausting morning. (I love being my own boss!) -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 09:09:04 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:09:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton & Guildford In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Jun 24, 96 12:38:54 pm Message-ID: > >As for Guildford, well I was a lot more sober which maybe meant that I > >didn't get into it as much. > > That's reasurring. Reading the list, I was begininng to think I'd had > one too many to appreciate what was going on, because I was too busy > running around shouting a lot, socialising and laughing my head off! Well, if I was soberer there'd probably be less audible audience noise on the tape :) There's usually a good trio of myself, Jon, and Andy though I was closest to the mic. Andy takes lead on Aerospaceage Inferno, I think :) Mike gets in a few shouts for "Upside Down" with me (it was worth a try :) and Jazza escaped by not knowing most of the songs, but does get in an occasional question or two. Mind you, it _is_ actually a tape of Hawkwind mostly :) The list contribution is getting undue press here :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 24 09:19:40 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:19:40 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeons Gig Tomorrow Night Message-ID: Rich Didn't see your post until this morning -- sorry I didn't see you at the gig (or if I did, I didn't know it was you). My quick and dirty review of the gig: It was the best performance that I've seen the band do yet (and I've now seen 'em 4 times). Good crowd, good sound, great set. A lengthy review, dripping with adulations, will be forthcoming in a day or so. But, here's the setlist: Name Your Monster Career of Evil Medusa St. Vitus Date With My Guitar Language of Love I Play the Drums Gimme Nothin' Time Will Take Care of You Dominance and Submission Cities on Flame (encore) The Red and the Black (encore) And they probably could have done 10 more encores, given the crowd's reaction. More to come . . . John From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Jun 24 14:23:13 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:23:13 BST Subject: HW: Crappest HW gig I've been to Message-ID: > In message <9606240906.AA03628 at etlxd20c>, Rob > writes > > I've long sinced realised that my tastes vary greatly from most > > people on the list, however I'm very surprised that so many people > > liked the gig at Brixton on Friday. > > Ahh man, I just had a great _time_... Don't get me wrong, I had a great time too. I'm just saying that in my view Hawkwind weren't as good as usual and I was dissapointed with their choice of set. And of course it was nice to meet up with everyone again! > Erm, there's worse tracks than those two, for sure :) > I cannot abide the cod reggae of Camera that could Lie or the > unlistenable Douglas In The Jungle ( Hey, maybe they could do a proper > Junglist version ;)) Don't like Dream Worker much , either. I thought > the setlist was pretty damn good, really. Yeah, but like I said I seem to have differing tastes to other people. > > I was goig to ask this question this week anyway. What's the one HW that > makes you cringe. You know, the one that unbelivers must not hear, lest > it confirm all their critisms! Turner Point and anything which has Huw Lloyd Langton singing. bye - Rob From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jun 24 09:24:45 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:24:45 +0200 Subject: The Cyberspace Interviews [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] Message-ID: Andy Cobley wrote: > > Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > > > The Cyberspace interviews are now up on the Official WWW Site. > > > http://www.hawkwind.com/ > > > The first interview that Hawkwind fans on the net can conduct is with Dave > > > Brock himself. > > Should the list consider getting together a bunch of questions > > so we can submit them with a minimum of repetition? > > > > Sounds like a good idea, I've spent most of the morning > rejecting ideas for questions to ask ! How about why the hell do HW re-record old tunes and put them on new albums??? They've been doing this since the early 80s (Silver Machine, Angels of Death, Assassins, Coded Languages, Sonic Attack etc.), and at times, I feel ripped off because of it. Sometimes its sneaky, because they just rename the track so you don't know about it until you buy it!! Rarely (if ever) are the new versions any improvements over the old ones. Why, Dave, WHY???? W H Y ? ? ? ? W H Y ? ? ? ? Christian From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 24 09:31:08 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:31:08 -0400 Subject: BOC : The Goldmine Story Message-ID: Alex - I agree with your comments about the article. It would have been interesting to hear about BOC's involvement with Moorcock and also the Bad Channels movie. I suppose to delve into every nook and cranny would make the article much longer than it already was. I think especially the Bad Channels stuff should have had more mention - but the article was pretty brief on the band's doings in the 1990's. As for Moorcock, well, I didn't find it "Heresy" to not mention him, but certainly he deserved mention - the lyrics I believe were written by him (although they were edited to fit the song). I'm not sure if the quote that it's "one of Eric's best songs" is actually referring to Bloom's song-writing abilities as much as it probably refers to his singing. I was also surprised that "Godzilla" was not mentioned more fully (it happens to be the very song that got me personally hooked on BOC). Perhaps Steve Roeser is not a big fan of the song -- I know Bolle refers to the section of BOC shows when they play the "Big 3" as his "P break" (and he says you can interpret that as you will). But, yeah, I thought they'd cover that song, not to mention the drum solos, masks, and 20-ft models that used to accompany the playing of that song (well, the drum solos are still there). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 24 09:41:40 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:41:40 -0400 Subject: BOTH: Hawkfrendz and Bolle (was Re: HW: Brixton) Message-ID: Carl - ya didn't bring a copy of the FAQ across the pond with ya? Well, from where I'm sitting at the moment, I don't have access to it either, so I can't post Bolle's address. But, if someone else doesn't do it, you can have Trevor e-mail the fanclub for it: bocfanclub at aol.com Or, check the liners notes to *Eponymous*, *Trepanation*, or *Cult Classic* (you did bring that one, didn't you ;-) ). BTW, yeah D+S rocked. I was kinda hoping Albert was gonna use the "Mike Watt" lyrics, but he sang the originals. "Too much revolution..." John PS: One more personal note to Carl -- based partly on your recommendation, I tried out a Dod Bass Grunge. I now own one - what fun I'm going to have! From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 09:30:31 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:30:31 +0100 Subject: TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC: Football Result In-Reply-To: <199606241236.IAA17429@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >England Vs. Germany os Wednesday. That *is* the final! Whoever wins > >that'll have no bother on Saturday. > > Czech Republic all the way.... (was pulling for Portugal...) Well, I haven't seen the Czechs play, but judging by the way Germany played on Sunday I would certainly not be surprised by an England win on Wednesday, particularly if Klinsmann isn't fit to play, and if Ince is back in the side. And if England go through on Wednesday, then anything's possible next Sunday with the Wembley crowd behind them! Dave (our man in the Pub with a gallon of beer inside him and talking complete bollocks) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 24 09:43:57 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:43:57 -0400 Subject: BOC: Buffalo Show 6/23/96 Message-ID: Hmm... kind of surprised they didn't do "Cities on Flame" in their limited setlist. Cool to see that they've finally added "The Vigil" back into the rotation though. John From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 14:57:58 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:57:58 BST Subject: HW: Time For Sale In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Sat, 22 Jun 1996 14:19:54 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > Got the lyrics for Time For Sale (Calvert) off Trev Hughes last night. > Checked the lyric file and they're not there so.... Added now. Thanks Jon! FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 15:02:30 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:02:30 BST Subject: The Cyberspace Interviews [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:26:04 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > The Cyberspace interviews are now up on the Official WWW Site. > > http://www.hawkwind.com/ > > The first interview that Hawkwind fans on the net can conduct is with Dave > > Brock himself. > > I will only have the submission form up for the next two weeks, so you had > > better get the questions in while you can. > > Should the list consider getting together a bunch of questions > so we can submit them with a minimum of repetition? I've already submitted the incomplete lyrics which are known to be Brock songs. P.S. Does anyone have the lyrics for Elfin? FoFP From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jun 24 09:57:58 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:57:58 -0400 Subject: TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC: Football Result Message-ID: >On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >Well, I haven't seen the Czechs play, but judging by the way Germany >played on Sunday I would certainly not be surprised by an England win on >Wednesday, particularly if Klinsmann isn't fit to play, and if Ince is >back in the side. And if England go through on Wednesday, then anything's >possible next Sunday with the Wembley crowd behind them! They play real ugly. They have 4 or 5 of their starting lineup missing the next game (vs. France) from yellow cards, so they probably don't stand a prayer, but will try to drag things down to a crawl if they can help it. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 15:07:18 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:07:18 BST Subject: HW: Brixton, Brentwood and onwards In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:42:03 -0400 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > I was probably the only person at the gig Friday who hadn't heard much Ozrics > before! I thought they were basically a good old-fashioned freakout band > with a few techno tricks up their sleeve - and a lot tighter than most > freakout bands used to be! - but I was a bit too knackered after HW to really > enjoy them (though not as knackered as a certain friend of Fernando Poo, who > seemed to sleep through most of their set :). I was enjoying it up until I fell asleep. I guess it was a combination of travelling, lack of sleep the night before, ten pints of beer, and quite possibly something I ate ;-) Best snooze I had in the whole weekend actually. Peeve: The floor at Brixton is made of some material which has been designed to absorb archaeological layers of beer and then deposit it on your jeans. Guess who didn't pack a spare pair of jeans... > - Andy FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 15:08:36 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:08:36 BST Subject: The Cyberspace Interviews [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: Andy Cobley's message of Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:00:52 +0000 Message-ID: Andy Cobley writes: > Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > > > The Cyberspace interviews are now up on the Official WWW Site. > > > http://www.hawkwind.com/ > > > The first interview that Hawkwind fans on the net can conduct is with Dave > > > Brock himself. > > Should the list consider getting together a bunch of questions > > so we can submit them with a minimum of repetition? > > > > > Sounds like a good idea, I've spent most of the morning > rejecting ideas for questions to ask ! Maybe if we *all* ask for a long version of "Where Are They Now?" on the next album.... > Andy C FoFP From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 10:11:41 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:11:41 +0100 Subject: HW mentioned mostly off: Ozrics at Brixton Message-ID: Jon wrote of the Ozrics: > Well, I guess I must just be prejudiced after spending so many nights > waiting to go onstage while they did a two-hour version of the OM riff! > (A Gong Cover - I might add) It's just that every time, I wandered over > to see them at some festival or rather, they were *always* playing the > OM riff - interminably, for years and years. So after a while I stopped > listening. Yeah, but then they used to have people who'd just turn up and play so it was surely safest to stick to something everyone knew :-) Also which of them was ever power-hungry enough to take charge? Say what you will about Brocky, that man sure can take charge. > talent. I mean sure Ed is a good guitarist, good as Huw for instance but Well yeah, technically probably he's way better than Huwie, but where's the feeling eh? Aimless noodling. > where's the songs, then? Name one OT tune that's as good as Living On A > Knife-Edge, Dying Seas, Ejection, Space is Deep or _even_ Secret Agent. By Christ this is a good point. Well said that man. take a bow. In fact I've got a few Ozric CDs and I can't even name one of their songs, let alone one as good as a HW tune. Know what that tells me? Stop buying fucking Ozrics CDs, that's what :-) > I stand corrected, then! Perhaps you could tell me what's their best > Album, as I've only ever seen them live. Fish Rising :-))))) Chris From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jun 24 10:19:59 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:19:59 -0400 Subject: HW: An obvious question Message-ID: An obvious question for the "Cyberspace Interviews" is one I'm sure is on everybody's mind: Dave, why don't you play yer guitar more often??? It's not so much we want you to "shut up 'n' play yer guitar" more a "strut up and play yer guitar" (which brings us to a related question: why do you always hide behind the equipment at gigs?:). Dave, we LIKE your guitar playing. (It's an integral part of the "Hawkwind sound.") So let's hear more of it. Oh, and don't forget to pack an extra set of batteries for your wah-wah pedal... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 10:18:23 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:18:23 +0100 Subject: The Cyberspace Interviews [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] Message-ID: Carl wrote: > Should the list consider getting together a bunch of questions > so we can submit them with a minimum of repetition? Good idea. Well volunteered that man. Here's mine. Please sir, can we have some more humans on stage playing real instruments. Please. Oh and replace some of the sequencing with improvisation, which is the same question really I guess. Actually I'm sure HW are one of those bands, probably the only one, whose work schedule would allow for semi-pro members. Lots of people could've taken a few weeks holiday to join 'em on this tour, many HW fans would die for the chance to play, and would only want to be fed and watered in return. Just (barely) a thought. Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 10:22:03 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:22:03 +0100 Subject: TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC: Football Result Message-ID: Andrew wrote, of Czech football: > They play real ugly. They have 4 or 5 of their starting lineup missing the > next game (vs. France) from yellow cards, so they probably don't stand > a prayer, but will try to drag things down to a crawl if they can help it. Ugly? Pretty it ain't but then neither is the English first division. Hard tackles are part of the fun, it's a mans game when all's said and done. Yeap Czecho to beat France then England to widdle all over 'em in the final. Hingerland Hingerland Hingerland... Chris From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Jun 24 10:36:34 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:36:34 -0400 Subject: HW: Brixton & Guildford In-Reply-To: from "Dr Pepper" at Jun 24, 96 10:23:17 am Message-ID: Dr Pepper writes: > [...] > *and then* Dave's guitar thunders in and suddenly > I remember why I like HW. I wasn't at Brixton, but I think that line perfectly summarizes my feelings about the last Hawkwind gig I saw (and maybe about recent Hawkiwnd in general). I'm not fond of the big, dry stretches of ambient that you have to trek across, but every once in a while, you come to an oasis of guitar, and it all seems worth it. Steve swann at panix.com From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Mon Jun 24 10:39:39 1996 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:39:39 -0400 Subject: Hawk Fairies: Purple Haze - a 2 word review Message-ID: Just want to chime in with complete agreement with Mike's assessment: the sound quality really is on a par with Yuri. For completists only. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jun 24 10:52:28 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:52:28 +0200 Subject: Hawk Fairies: Purple Haze - a 2 word review Message-ID: John McIntyre wrote: > > Just want to chime in with complete agreement with Mike's assessment: > the sound quality really is on a par with Yuri. For completists only. > Now, I personally think everybody slags Yuri too much. Sure, the sound quality is horrible and barely listenable, but, "The Egg" and "Gaga" are great lyric pieces I've not found anywhere else. But, then I guess, I could be classified as somewhat of a completist............ Christian From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Mon Jun 24 10:55:33 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:55:33 -0400 Subject: The Cyberspace Interviews In-Reply-To: <31CE9184.22CC@mic.dundee.ac.uk> from "Andy Cobley" at Jun 24, 96 02:00:52 pm Message-ID: Andy C. and Carl agree.... > > Carl E. Anderson wrote: >> >>> The Cyberspace interviews are now up on the Official WWW Site. >>> http://www.hawkwind.com/ >>> The first interview that Hawkwind fans on the net can conduct is with Dave >>> Brock himself. >> Should the list consider getting together a bunch of questions >> so we can submit them with a minimum of repetition? > > Sounds like a good idea, I've spent most of the morning > rejecting ideas for questions to ask ! OK, I've already posted the question....'Hey Dave, when are we ever going to see you strap on an acoustic guitar again, and here all those old acoustic numbers like "The Demented Man" again??' or something to that effect. Now wouldn't that be even more of a surprise than 'Psi Power' or 'Steppenwolf'? BTW, I think 'Aerospaceage Inferno' is the best track on Cap'n Lockheed, and am jealous that I haven't seen them do it, but that I've heard Ejection 8 or 9 times, and The Right Stuff (another good one) a few times also. You know, Alan Davey can sing some tunes quite well I think, but I think his vocals on 'Ejection' were just awful. And no one ever sang the 'eight times my weight' bits between the chorus' 'Ejection' shouts. Keith H. From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 16:05:19 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:05:19 BST Subject: Hawk Fairies: Purple Haze - a 2 word review In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's message of Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:52:28 +0200 Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: > John McIntyre wrote: > > > > Just want to chime in with complete agreement with Mike's assessment: > > the sound quality really is on a par with Yuri. For completists only. >From what I've heard, this Kompletist isn't buying it. FoFP From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Jun 24 15:10:08 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:10:08 -0300 Subject: HW: Questions Message-ID: I really hope that some of the questions I've seen here don't get posted. It's no wonder Dave tries avoids the fans so much! "Dave, do this! Dave, do that! Why are you so crap? Play my favourites!". Maybe he got this inspiration for "Right To Decide" from reading fan mail... Dave. From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Jun 24 11:32:17 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:32:17 -0400 Subject: The Cyberspace Interviews [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: <9606241508.aa16095@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jun 24, 96 03:08:36 pm Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > Maybe if we *all* ask for a long version of "Where Are They Now?" on the > next album.... (1) I second the motion above. (2) "Will we be seeing the Weird Tapes on Cd anytime soon?" (3) "Will any more of the back catalog be remastered?" (4) "Has Dave found his guitar yet? Will he please keep looking?" Steve swann at panix.com From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Mon Jun 24 10:53:44 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:53:44 -0400 Subject: HW: Ozrics and DB Question Message-ID: Hello-- All this Ozric Tentacles bashing is getting a bit annoying. My humble opinion is that anyone who doesn't like the Tentacles is missing something. I'd like to ask Dave if there will ever be studio versions of the "live only" tunes (Treadmill, Moonglum, and Back in the Box spring to mind). And yes, I'd like to see a bit more DB guitar playing too. :-) He may not be a great soloist, but he's an excellent rythm guitarist. Guido obCDplayer--Polytown by Torn/Karn/Bozzio -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 17:12:04 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:12:04 BST Subject: The Cyberspace Interviews [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:32:17 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > M Holmes writes: > > > > Maybe if we *all* ask for a long version of "Where Are They Now?" on the > > next album.... > > (1) I second the motion above. > (2) "Will we be seeing the Weird Tapes on Cd anytime soon?" > (3) "Will any more of the back catalog be remastered?" > (4) "Has Dave found his guitar yet? Will he please keep looking?" I think Dave Berry is right though: I guess we don't want to overdo the fanboy stuff and have Dave retreating to the Internet version of backstage. One question that's always intruiged me is the story behind "Right To Decide". It'd be interesting to hear Dave's opinion on the Alf Dryden saga and why he relented and removed the third verse. > Steve FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 17:17:19 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:17:19 BST Subject: HW: Ozrics and DB Question In-Reply-To: Guido Vacano's message of Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:53:44 -0400 Message-ID: Guido Vacano writes: > Hello-- > > All this Ozric Tentacles bashing is getting a bit annoying. My > humble opinion is that anyone who doesn't like the Tentacles is missing > something. > > I'd like to ask Dave if there will ever be studio versions of the > "live only" tunes (Treadmill, Moonglum, and Back in the Box spring to > mind). Moonglum would pretty much need Langton I'd have thought? Ditto BitB would need Bainbridge though I think such an abortion of a song whould be left to quietly moulder rather than have it's rotting carcass dragged into the studio for a tardy and necrophiliac kiss of life. Treadmill on the other hand, with more guitar and less nonsense might make an excellent track. ObTour: I disliked them finishing with "Abducted" in Brixton, feeling that a rock track would have left people on an up note. However, at Brentwood where everything was very formal with seated rows and a zillion bouncers who'd have been better employed fetching beers for thirsty fans, this track seemed so out'n'out weird that it really worked as an ending to the gig. FoFP From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Jun 24 17:22:44 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:22:44 BST Subject: HW: Ozrics and DB Question In-Reply-To: Guido Vacano's message of Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:53:44 -0400 Message-ID: > And yes, I'd like to see a bit more DB guitar playing too. :-) Judging by Brixton, he's found the bit that does the rhythm, but not the bit that does the lead playing... One thing I missed was a "Golden Void" style song. I think they were right to drop it from the set - it was getting a bit predictable - but I would have liked to see something similar to replace it. Maybe "Chronoglide Skyway" or "Lost Chronicles". Dave. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Jun 24 17:24:17 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:24:17 BST Subject: HW: DB Question In-Reply-To: Guido Vacano's message of Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:53:44 -0400 Message-ID: > I'd like to ask Dave if there will ever be studio versions of the > "live only" tunes (Treadmill, Moonglum, and Back in the Box spring to mind). On a related note, how about an album of "bonus tracks", properly segued. E.g. "I am the eye that looks within", "Black sun", ... Dave. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 24 10:07:37 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:07:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Antwerp festival In-Reply-To: <906612543.445261@techlink.fr> Message-ID: In message <906612543.445261 at techlink.fr>, Olivier Boigey writes >There' is Zion Train (reggae?) and much more I've been told from a friend in >Antwerp I'm afraid they're reggae / techno (again) a bit like Dreadzone. :) -- Jon Browne From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Mon Jun 24 12:49:18 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:49:18 -0400 Subject: HW: Ozrics and DB Question In-Reply-To: <9606241453.AA14063@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> from "Guido Vacano" at Jun 24, 96 10:53:44 am Message-ID: Guido suggests... > > Hello-- > > All this Ozric Tentacles bashing is getting a bit annoying. My > humble opinion is that anyone who doesn't like the Tentacles is missing > something. In a Clinton-esque fashion, I choose to be on both sides of this issue. I feel that the Ozrix are a very talented band, and all of their albums are strong, but I agree that they lack that writing ability to really put something memorable into my head. Their lack of vocals is also limiting as well, something that I see as a negative to F/i and The Spacious Mind also (TSM has a few vocals here and there, I should say). Also, I've seen them twice in concert (on the two US tours separated by only 9 mos. or so)...the first (Cleveland) was very good, and at the time I wasn't aware that a big part of my enjoyment was the light show, but after the second show (the Chicago gig where they had no light show), I knew that the music alone (while still enjoyable) wasn't enough to carry it for me. At Hawkwind shows (and also the recent Gong gig), I often find myself 'grooving' to the music to such a point that I will often go several minutes at a time without even looking towards the stage with my eyes open to see what's going on (Gong's Fohat was such a case, the music was so cool). That hasn't happened with the Ozrics music, although I have enjoyed it as much as many other of my favourite groups (say, the top 50 or so). They're just not on the same level with HW for me, I'm afraid. I'll let you know in a week how PTree rates in this manner, as they'll be without their UK light show. > I'd like to ask Dave if there will ever be studio versions of the > "live only" tunes (Treadmill, Moonglum, and Back in the Box spring to > mind). The Palace Springs versions of Treadmill and BitB *are* studio versions. The live BitB during that tour was extended and much different...lots of weird banter from Harvey (and the following year, between Harvey and Bridgett), and no Dave Brock rap at the end. IMHO the studio BitB is pretty good, and the live BitB was pretty dire but for the heavy riff. Treadmill is brilliant in any shape or form, except for the proto-version on Agents of Chaos, which is interesting yet not quite fully developed. I think I'm the only one on the list who's not a fan of the Moonglum track it seems, but it would be interesting to know whether they even recorded it during the CotBS sessions. If they did, I woulda thought that Griffin would have restored it to the album in the manner they so enjoy doing for collector's sake. Keith H. (FAA) ObGig...ProgScape '96 (for those in the states not venturing across the pond) ObLive track from Summer Solstice gig in Cleveland - The 5th Second of Forever/Dust of Time - Sun Machine From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Jun 24 12:59:33 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:59:33 -0500 Subject: (fwd) WARNING: message delayed at "nsfnet-relay.ac.uk" Message-ID: Did everybody else get this? I'm confused, as I didn't actually send the following message. I'm mildly annoyed. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:50:37 +0100 From: postmaster at nsfnet-relay.ac.uk To: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Subject: WARNING: message delayed at "nsfnet-relay.ac.uk" The following message: UA-ID: OFF: Ben(038)... Q-ID: sun3.nsf:25/msg.07444-0 has not been delivered to the intended recipient: cs0jca at isis.sunderland.ac.uk despite repeated delivery attempts over the past 24 hours. The usual cause of this problem is that the remote system is temporarily unavailable. Delivery will continue to be attempted up to a total elapsed time of 168 hours, ie 7 days. You will be informed if delivery proves to be impossible within this time. Please quote the Q-ID in any queries regarding this mail. From stayer at PI.NET Mon Jun 24 20:47:03 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:47:03 PDT Subject: HW: An obvious question Message-ID: Paul said: >An obvious question for the "Cyberspace Interviews" is one I'm sure is on >everybody's mind: >Dave, why don't you play yer guitar more often??? It's not so much we >want you to "shut up 'n' play yer guitar" more a "strut up and play yer >guitar" (which brings us to a related question: why do you always hide >behind the equipment at gigs?:). Dave, we LIKE your guitar playing. >(It's an integral part of the "Hawkwind sound.") So let's hear more of it. >Oh, and don't forget to pack an extra set of batteries for your wah-wah >pedal... If someone is counting votes for the favourite questions, I certainly count for this one! Jerry From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 13:50:28 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 18:50:28 +0100 Subject: The Cyberspace Interviews [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: <199606241532.LAA15388@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jun 24, 96 11:32:17 am Message-ID: Is someone keeping track of all the questions so that after we've decided which questions suck and which don't :) we can submit them? Alot of our questions have leant more towards advice :) particularly the "Goddam it Dave, ditch the sequencers, play yer guitar, sing, and stop hiding behind your gear!" piece of advice :) Now, while I believe that it is to Hawkwind's benefit to get some feedback from the fans, we should probably throw in some good interviewesque kind of questions to keep the man from running away and screaming :) Apart from the obvious HawkGrumbles ;) I'd quite like to know what album plans Hawkwind have for the future--what kind of things they're thinking of doing. For example, are they ever going to resurrect the Earth Ritual concept? I think that would be great, and that its time has come. Maybe some human interest stuff: What is a day or a week in the life of Hawkwind or Dave Brock like? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Mon Jun 24 15:01:46 1996 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:01:46 GMT Subject: HW: very close to my home Message-ID: On 21/06/96 at 22:52, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion L wrote: *** ***Hi there *** *** ***I can't believe it !!! *** ***HAWKWIND will play on 17.07.1996 only 7 (seven) miles from my home!!!!! *** *** *** *** ***Bernhard Hi there A rumour heard recently tells that HW would be playing this summer in France in Clermond Ferrand's festival (just in the middle of France), is it one more managing tour's joke like last year's abandoned gig or what ? Olivier - via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 24 13:56:20 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 18:56:20 +0100 Subject: The Cyberspace Interviews In-Reply-To: <9606241453.AA14063@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> from "Guido Vacano" at Jun 24, 96 10:53:44 am Message-ID: > I'd like to ask Dave if there will ever be studio versions of the > "live only" tunes (Treadmill, Moonglum, and Back in the Box spring to > mind). I know people complain about some of the recurring retreads of old material, but sometimes it really works (like "Mirror of Illusion" > "Mask of Morning"). What about grabbing some of the old lost Hawkwind songs (like "Time for Sale") and reworking them as new releases? I can't say I'd mind that, especially if it would increase the rock-out quotient in the set :) > And yes, I'd like to see a bit more DB guitar playing too. :-) He > may not be a great soloist, but he's an excellent rythm guitarist. Ah, but I wouldn't replace DB's leads with _anyones_ for things like "Golden Void" or the wailing and thrashing of _Space Ritual_! Huw's leads were great for Huw-era songs, but I didn't much like what happened to the older material when it got Huw-ised ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Mon Jun 24 15:12:57 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:12:57 -0400 Subject: The Cyberspace Interviews In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Jun 24, 96 06:50:28 pm Message-ID: Carl editorializes.... > > Alot of our questions have leant more towards advice :) particularly > the "Goddam it Dave, ditch the sequencers, play yer guitar, sing, and > stop hiding behind your gear!" piece of advice :) > > Now, while I believe that it is to Hawkwind's benefit to get > some feedback from the fans, we should probably throw in some good > interviewesque kind of questions to keep the man from running away > and screaming :) Yeah, good point....One thought I was thinking of submitting (once I'd come up with the proper wording) was.... Hey, Dave...It seems that in the 90's, the space rock genre has undergone somewhat of a rebirth, with older bands like Gong & Amon Duul II re-emerging, newer bands like Porcupine Tree, darXtar, SunDial, Melting Euphoria, etc. adding their voice to the fray, so to speak, and even a few independent record labels like Cleopatra and Delerium have directed their efforts towards psychedelic music. With 90's Hawkwind seeming to return to this style also (following the 80's shift to harder rock with obligatory guitar solos and such) it almost appears that the band has travelled full-circle and has returned to it's roots. Do you see that as being an indication that Hawkwind was just far ahead of it's time back in the early 70's, and that the rest of the music world is just now catching on, or is space rock music beginning to evolve into something entirely different from what it was, and if so, where will it lead to???? > Apart from the obvious HawkGrumbles ;) I'd quite like to know > what album plans Hawkwind have for the future--what kind of things > they're thinking of doing. For example, are they ever going to > resurrect the Earth Ritual concept? I think that would be great, and > that its time has come. What exactly *was* the Earth Ritual supposed to be?? Nothing on the EP seemed to be particularly cohesive - in fact, it was just a few songs about all sorts of things....I would've thought this idea would've been more like what was on 'Church of Hawkwind'...you know, Fall of Earth City and such. > Maybe some human interest stuff: What is a day or a week in > the life of Hawkwind or Dave Brock like? Yeah, we've heard what a day in the life of a boc-l Hawkfan is like...crashing in a pool of one's own beer spillage and such.... :) Keith H. (FAA) ObCD - Love in Space - where the hell are the discs??? They gotta be in here somewhere??? Oh, there they are....now how the hell do I get them out?? From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jun 24 15:41:55 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:41:55 -0400 Subject: Cyberspace interviews Message-ID: Well, I suppose we could have two hawkfans play "Good Hawkfan, Bad Hawkfan". First you get a list of questions you'd really like to have answered, but that he might not like that much. Then you get some really lousy, pissy ones, bringing up Nik and HLL as often as possible, and "why don't you ditch Doug Smith" type of questions. You synchronise with the other person, and ask alternating questions, so they'd be more likely to view the good ones as a relief from the bad questions.... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Jun 24 16:04:38 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:04:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Cyberspace interviews In-Reply-To: <199606241941.PAA02803@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > First you get a list of questions you'd really like to have answered, > but that he might not like that much. Then you get some really lousy, > pissy ones, bringing up Nik and HLL as often as possible, and "why > don't you ditch Doug Smith" type of questions. You synchronise with > the other person, and ask alternating questions, so they'd be more > likely to view the good ones as a relief from the bad questions.... Well, too bad Star_Rats, who is moderating the interview, reads BOC-L, or we might've been able to pull it off. :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jun 24 16:22:24 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:22:24 -0400 Subject: HW: Covers: I got mine! Message-ID: Got my covers tape bundle today and am listening to them right now. Great stuff! Congratulations to all concerned. I can hardly believe it: another BOC-L project that is a roaring success! We'll have to watch ourselves, or this may become a habit... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCassettes: Hawkwind Covers All, Vols. I-IV e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Jun 24 16:43:01 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:43:01 +0200 Subject: HW: Covers: I got mine! Message-ID: >Got my covers tape bundle today and am listening to them right now. >Great stuff! Congratulations to all concerned. I can hardly believe it: >another BOC-L project that is a roaring success! We'll have to watch >ourselves, or this may become a habit... ;-) Got my cassettes today, too! Thank You Allan, Dave and Chuck for the great job! I've so far just listened to I - but II will have its time tomorrow in my walkman :0) >Cheers, > >Paul. cheers - \\joe >obCassettes: Hawkwind Covers All, Vols. I-IV ObAgree From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jun 24 16:44:42 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:44:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Questions In-Reply-To: <12194.9606241510@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > I really hope that some of the questions I've seen here don't get posted. > It's no wonder Dave tries avoids the fans so much! "Dave, do this! Dave, > do that! Why are you so crap? Play my favourites!". Yeah, but what if Dave is in fact labouring under the misapprehension that people actually *prefer* gobs of sequenced, ambient midi stuff in concert instead of real, live, improvisational space jams? Now *that's* a scary thought (and someone ought to tell him)... ;-) > Maybe he got this inspiration for "Right To Decide" from reading fan mail... You mean he actually reads fan mail? ;-) I realise that Dave Brock has his own agenda, and, I'm sure, will pursue it regardless of what fans, or otherwise, shout for. But I can't help feeling that he wouldn't be soliciting questions if he didn't want to get some kind of groundswell of opinion from the fans. (But, hey, maybe this is all just a big market research exercise orchestrated by Doug Smith? Maybe Mr. Star Rats can answer this: was the "Cyberspace Interviews" idea something suggested *by* Dave, or suggested *to* Dave? The answer could be telling.) Cheers, Paul. obCassettes: Hawkwind Covers All, Vols. I-IV e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Jun 24 16:49:56 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:49:56 -0400 Subject: HW: Ozrics and DB Question In-Reply-To: <9606241453.AA14063@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> from "Guido Vacano" at Jun 24, 96 10:53:44 am Message-ID: Guido Vacano writes: > > Hello-- > > All this Ozric Tentacles bashing is getting a bit annoying. My > humble opinion is that anyone who doesn't like the Tentacles is missing > something. Actually, I find all this Ozric Tentacles discussion (pro or con) a bit annoying. There's only the most tenuous connection between Hawkwind and the Ozrics (the fact that they've played a few gigs together), and yet they're accepted as a major topic of discussion on the supposedly Hawkwind/BOC list. Personally, I think it should be taken to the Ozrics list. Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Jun 24 16:55:08 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:55:08 -0400 Subject: The Cyberspace Interviews [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: <9606241712.aa11139@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jun 24, 96 05:12:04 pm Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > Stephen Swann writes: > > > M Holmes writes: > > > > > > Maybe if we *all* ask for a long version of "Where Are They Now?" on the > > > next album.... > > > > (1) I second the motion above. > > (2) "Will we be seeing the Weird Tapes on Cd anytime soon?" > > (3) "Will any more of the back catalog be remastered?" > > (4) "Has Dave found his guitar yet? Will he please keep looking?" > > I think Dave Berry is right though: I guess we don't want to overdo the > fanboy stuff and have Dave retreating to the Internet version of > backstage. #4 was meant for BOC-L consumption only, as I'm sure the various snippy comments on the subject by other people were. :-) I think there's at least a majority consensus that we'd like Dave to unpack the guitar again, but "nagging" him about it is far from our minds, I'm sure. Nagging Al and Deb is different, of course, because they're BOC-L subscribers, which means they've signed up for the punishment. :) Steve swann at panix.com From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Mon Jun 24 17:24:57 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:24:57 -0500 Subject: HW: Questions Message-ID: At 04:44 PM 6/24/96 -0400, you wrote: >On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Dave Berry wrote: >Maybe Mr. Star Rats can answer this: was the "Cyberspace Interviews" idea >something suggested *by* Dave, or suggested *to* Dave? The answer could >be telling.) >>The idea for the Cyberspace interviews actually came from my the manager of EMI Premier (who was responsible for putting out the re-mastered series and getting the web site sponsership). He provided the seed, Doug and Dave liked the idea, and I have expanded upon it. Yours Mr. Star Rats From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Jun 24 18:04:59 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 18:04:59 -0400 Subject: OTHER: Amon Duul 2 Message-ID: Not finding a decent AD2 page anywhere on the web, I figured I'd better start one myself! So far it's a bit basic - but ya gotta start somewhere! For the time being, at least, it's on: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham/ad2.htm Any suggestions, corrections, contributions, etc, welcome! - Andy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Jun 24 19:39:43 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 18:39:43 EST Subject: BOC : The Goldmine Story Message-ID: > > Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > > > Hey all, > > > > I'm sorry to bring this thread back up but I just received my copy of the > > Goldmine article (thanks again Manuel ! :-) and finished reading it (took me > > a few hours *grin*). I just can't refrain from commenting ! > > > > First off, I found it fascinating, interesting and very informative. There > > are a few things, though, which disappointed me. NOT the fact that no real > > explanation was given to Al being fired (as John, I wasn't really surprised > > about that), but rather things like : Right. It would've taken too much ink to get both sides down on paper anyway, and likely have bogged down the whole story. > > 1) no mention is made whatsoever to Michael Moorcock (and I believe > > no one else has commented this on the list). They even go upfront saying > > that "Veteran of the psychic wars" was "written by Bloom" ?!?!? and this is > > backed up by Joe himself who adds : "I think it's Eric's best song"... what > > the @#!@$ ??? I love that song, but to not give credit to Moorcock seems a > > heresy to me ! And if this is supposed to tell BOC's History, then it really > > would have been interesting to read on how the band had met MM... Agree again. Not being much of a sci-fi fan, I know nothing of MM. I would've liked some background info. How he and EB met, started working together, etc. > > 2) and I also noticed that "Godzilla" is only once briefly > > mentioned, whereas I always thought that song to be one of the band's most > > famous... I think it would have deserved further coverage. Maybe 'cause the tune's somewhat of a cliche? Kind of a novelty tune. [Relax, flame warriors, I happen to like the tune myself, but I get the idea the song's likely been talked to death, and unlike Reaper, which operates on many different levels, 'Zilla is a bit more one-dimensional] > > 3) and no mention is made (except in the discography) of "Bad > > Channels" and how the band got involved in the project. This, too, would First I'd heard of 'Bad' was seeing it in a store. Granted, this was before joining BOC-L. But really, those tunes don't get much discoussion on BOC-L. Is it covered in the FAQ? > > have been an interesting story to hear... especially after reading the > > band's comments on the "Heavy Metal" experience ! > > Again, I know next to nothing of that either. Again, in the FAQ? > > OTOH, what I liked most in this article was the fact that its author didn't > > (seem to) take position. He just plainly stated some facts (however > > frustrating that may be) and quoted band members without getting into the > > details. But I think that's how it should be. As someone said before (I > > think it was John ?) the details on the whys and hows are private matters > > which only the concerned need (and should) be privy to. > > It's tough to get all the angles. Too, 'cause Al is a BOC-L member, I think we all tend to take his side somewhat. I imagine if he'd been a choir boy scout, the band would've wanted him to stay along a bit more. \> > All in all, still a very enjoyable read... > > > > Alex S. Garcia. Right you are! theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Jun 24 19:41:34 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 18:41:34 EST Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: > > And so it begins..... > > Some dates to add are as follows; > > DATE CITY VENUE INFO/VERIFICATION > > > 79-08-05 San Diego, CA Jack Murphy Stadium (W/Cheap Trick, UFO, PT}. > 79-08-24 Los Angeles, CA UCLA Pauley Pavillion (Ticket stub, flyer) > 79-08-25 Los Angeles, CA UCLA Pauley Pavillion (Flyer) > 80-09-05 Long Beach, CA Long Beach Arena (Ticket stub) > 80-09-07 San Bernardino, CA Orange Show Stadium (LA Times ad) > 81-07-26 Los Angeles, CA Sports Arena (Ticket stub) > 81-10-21 Toledo, OH Sports Arena (Radio flyer, FM104) > 91-04-30 Albuquerque, NM Confetti's (Ticket stub, ad) > 91-11-02 Albuquerque, NM Confetti's (Ticket stub) > 91-11-03 Lubbock, TX ?? (Asked band) > 93-05-31 Albuquerque, NM Midnight Rodeo (Ticket stub) > 93-06-01 Tucson, AZ ?? (Asked T. Cedrone) > 94-06-08 Albuquerque, NM Zipperz (Ticket stub, flyer) > 94-09-10 San Juan Capistrano, CA Coach House (Ticket stub) > 94-11-0? Phoenix, AZ State Fairgrounds (Ticketmaster ad) > 96-03-23 Farmington, NM McGee Park Colesium (Ticket stub) > > More to follow. These are just a few that I did not see listed on the > BOCBase on the last glance. > > God bless... > > Manuel > Manuel, This is a fascinating project. It would be too cool if you could annotate the list a bit more, like who opened the show etc. Any chance of that happening? theo From BHalli5989 at AOL.COM Mon Jun 24 18:56:00 1996 From: BHalli5989 at AOL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 18:56:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: Buffalo Show 6/23/96 Message-ID: I was at that show too. Sorry if I didn't go around introducing myself, but I didn't know where the concert was until early that morning and things were kind of rushed (like the set). I was the young guy with the red hair, gotee and WotT shirt just to the right of Buck. This was my 1st BOC show!!! It was incredible to hear the Vigil, although Stairway and Before the Kiss seemed a little lackluster. Despite what I've heard about getting rid of the big 3 songs, they were the ones I enjoyed the most (to my great surprise). I would've liked to have heard the new songs though... Let me just add that Eric made no mention of a new album. Has his voice always been so high pitched? It reminded me of Ian Anderson's "pirate voice" that he's forced to use now. Rambling off. Brian From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Jun 24 19:03:27 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:03:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Crappest HW gig I've been to Message-ID: > >In message <9606240906.AA03628 at etlxd20c>, Rob > writes (a little snip here and there) > >I was goig to ask this question this week anyway. What's the one HW that >makes you cringe. You know, the one that unbelivers must not hear, lest >it confirm all their critisms! For me the track that always gets the track skip button is Brittish Tribal Music. I would put Mutation ZOne in there also along with about half of Space Bandits. Duane (who liked Sun Machine much better than F/i) OBCD: Albert King - Blues at Sunset (remastered) -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Mon Jun 24 19:02:56 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 01:02:56 +0200 Subject: BOC : The Goldmine Story Message-ID: >> 3) and no mention is made (except in the discography) of "Bad >> Channels" and how the band got involved in the project. This, too, would > >First I'd heard of 'Bad' was seeing it in a store. Granted, this was >before joining BOC-L. But really, those tunes don't get much >discoussion on BOC-L. Is it covered in the FAQ? I haven't even found the damn thing yet ! Hopefully I'll manage to buy a copy next week when I fly to Montreal... BTW, the first time *I* heard of it was when I found the BOC lyrics on the Web... >> have been an interesting story to hear... especially after reading the >> band's comments on the "Heavy Metal" experience ! >> >Again, I know next to nothing of that either. Again, in the FAQ? Yep. At least I think so (my memory sometimes plays tricks on me !)... But to cut a short story long (or the other way around ;-), "Heavy Metal" is a sci-fi feature-length cartoon with four or five (that memory again !) segments telling different stories. The whole thing was illustrated by rock bands, among which BOC. There is a *little* mention of this in the Goldmine article... A good movie, BTW. Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rock In Progress - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6891 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Jun 24 19:16:06 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:16:06 -0400 Subject: The Cyberspace Interviews [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] Message-ID: > >Carl wrote: > >> Should the list consider getting together a bunch of questions >> so we can submit them with a minimum of repetition? > We can ask him when he is gonna get in a fight with Ron Tree and throw him out of the band:-) Duane (wishfully thinking) OBCassetes: Hawkwind Covers All (Great job by all who made it happen, thanks) Allan, I got 'em today -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jun 24 19:52:45 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:52:45 -0600 Subject: BOCbase In-Reply-To: <3B36CE14F8D@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: Theo; That's a coincidence!! Jerry & I were just discussing that same topic!! Thanks for the support. God bless.... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jun 24 19:57:30 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:57:30 -0600 Subject: BOC: Buffalo Show 6/23/96 In-Reply-To: <9606232155.aa19219@buffnet1.buffnet.net> Message-ID: Hi again !! It's Manuel. Guess what info I want?!?! You guessed right; the name of the venue, other bands. Thanks. God bless... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 24 10:05:07 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:05:07 +0100 Subject: HW: HW/Ozrics In-Reply-To: <11381.9606241145@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <11381.9606241145 at abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >Are either band progressive? I know this is going to be an oft asked question but what does "progressive" actually mean? I would use it in context meaning progressing further into new musical areas. So to me progressive music is, at the moment Goldie, Leftfield, Photek, Orbital, Prodigy in fact a lot of the hated techno bands (who I love for EXACTLY the same reasons I've always liked Hawkwind.) The drum'n'bass scene at the moment is astonishly exciting, intelligent and creative. Check out LTJ Bukem's Logical Progression double LP for beautiful synth textures, unpredictable drum patterns, cool samples etc. It's drum'n'bass, some would call it jungle, others would still call it techno but.... Or is Progressive, this 70's IQ, Genesis, Marillion thing still? -- Jon Browne From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Jun 25 12:30:38 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:30:38 EST Subject: The Cyberspace Interviews [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: ; from "Carl E. Anderson" at Jun 25, 96 06:50:28 pm Message-ID: Hi well I asked how much live material they have as well as studio outtakes and will any of it be released ? I also asked will the weird tapes be released on cd. regards Marty From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Jun 24 22:57:01 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 21:57:01 -0500 Subject: HW: Questions In-Reply-To: <199606242124.QAA28497@deliverator.io.com> Message-ID: Another question for Mr. Star Rats: Since you are apparently subscribed to BOC-L, I assume you are reading all of those hypothetical questions we're posting. With this in mind, might you use some of the questions posted here in the interview proper? Thanks. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jun 24 22:29:18 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:29:18 -0400 Subject: HW: Remasters deal---details wanted Message-ID: When the HW remasters were first released, I remember someone on the list posting the address of a place in the UK who offered a deal whereby you could get all five for 60 quid. Could that kind soul please repost the name, address, and tel. no. of the place in question? (Assuming the deal is still on offer.) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Praxis, _Sacrifist_ From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Mon Jun 24 23:16:49 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 23:16:49 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeons Gig Tomorrow Night Message-ID: Hi John, Sadly, I did not make the gig, so I guess I'll have to wait another 6 months 'til they vome back. At least I saw them around Christmas. What were the new tunes like? More like Trep, or Epon? I seem to be in the minority who like Eponymous better. Rich From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Jun 25 01:23:54 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 00:23:54 -0500 Subject: HW: An obvious question Message-ID: On 24-JUN-1996 13:34:28.1 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Paul said: >>An obvious question for the "Cyberspace Interviews" is one I'm sure >is on >everybody's mind: >>Dave, why don't you play yer guitar more often??? It's not so much we >>want you to "shut up 'n' play yer guitar" more a "strut up and play yer >>guitar" (which brings us to a related question: why do you always hide >>behind the equipment at gigs?:). Dave, we LIKE your guitar playing. >>(It's an integral part of the "Hawkwind sound.") So let's hear more >of it. >Oh, and don't forget to pack an extra set of batteries for >your wah-wah >pedal... >If someone is counting votes for the favourite questions, I certainly >count for this one! >Jerry >MA And just get a damned synth player. Listening to Love In Space (which grows on me with each listen) and having never seen them live, I just can't see how he can be making all the noises while guitar is blaring out at the same time. Perhaps someone could explain this "sequencer" thing? Not bad sounding, but I'd just be more comfortable knowing that these noises were not generated simply by the press of a button... Chuck `[1;31;43mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jun 25 00:30:03 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 00:30:03 -0400 Subject: HW: Questions Message-ID: >>>The idea for the Cyberspace interviews actually came from my the manager >of EMI Premier (who was responsible for putting out the re-mastered series >and getting the web site sponsership). He provided the seed, Doug and Dave >liked the idea, and I have expanded upon it. Doug. Is Doug going to do one of these some day? I can imagine... "Where will you be standing say about 10 pm on July 16?" BTW, just kidding, Doug is assuming a vital role of scapegoat. He soaks up much hostility that might be otherwise directed at Dave. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Jun 25 01:34:23 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 00:34:23 -0500 Subject: MM single (DtI) Message-ID: On 14-JUN-1996 06:16:58.6 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Hi, Chuck >> >PS! I'm looking for the "Dopes to Infinity" CD single by MM. >Anybody go t >> >an extra one or know where I can get one? >> >> Pretty sure I saw this recently (along w/another single from the Dopes >> album). E-mail me yer address and I'll pick it up next time I'm >there (it's >> a 30-minute drive) if it's still there. >> >> Chuck >> `[1;32;43mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive >Should I send you a check or a money order? I live overseas... >my address is: >Christian Mumford >Bygdoy Alle 58 B >0265 Oslo >Norway >Christian Oops, there it is. :) If you've already replied to my earlier request for address, oh well... Oh shit, Norway. Unless you're happy waiting a number of weeks for the package, could you add another couple of bucks to that 10? If I send it 4th rate (or whatever) it'll just cost a couple bucks...but if you want it quicker, S&H will be a lot more... Chuck `[1;30;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Jun 25 02:18:17 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 01:18:17 -0500 Subject: HW: Questions (fwd) Message-ID: I think Mr. Rats ("Can we call you Star?") meant to post this to the entire list. [Oopsie. :) ] So here it be: (Also, when/if you respond to this post, you'll probably want to change "Damon Capehart wrote:" to "Star Rats wrote:".) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 00:30:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Hawkwind To: Damon C Capehart Subject: Re: HW: Questions At 09:57 PM 6/24/96 -0500, Damon C Capehart wrote: >Another question for Mr. Star Rats: >Since you are apparently subscribed to BOC-L, I assume you are reading >all of those hypothetical questions we're posting. With this in mind, >might you use some of the questions posted here in the interview proper? I am reading the mailing list and the questions that are posted. I'm afraid that I will only use the questions submitted via the form on the page. By the way, there has been about 50 questions already about HW playing in the US, so can we take that one as read from now on please everyone? By the way, iIf anyone has ever sat down with Dave, they will know that he responds better to questions about his latest musical projects, and stage related subjects (equipment, lights, artwork and concepts). He's not too good on specific dates/events either, but there must be some good ones out there regarding HW history. I am not trying to suggest or eliminate questions that you may want to ask, it's just a FYI. Yours, Star_rats From mumford at EUNET.NO Tue Jun 25 03:33:05 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:33:05 +0200 Subject: MM single (DtI) Message-ID: Hi Chuck, I'll send you 15 dollars.... don't worry about the other single...... Thanks again! Christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Tue Jun 25 03:42:20 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:42:20 +0200 Subject: oops Message-ID: Sorry, this one was supposed to go to Chuck. Christian From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Jun 25 09:49:49 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:49:49 BST Subject: HW: HW/Ozrics In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:05:07 +0100 Message-ID: This is getting off-topic, so apologies to uninterested readers... > I know this is going to be an oft asked question but what does > "progressive" actually mean? In the context of rec.music.progressive, it mainly means 70's prog rock and its descendants. Within this, it's fairly broad: I scan the group occasionally looking for references to Hawkwind, Gong, and the Henry Cow family. It also covers Italian, Brazilian, French and Swedish bands, among others. Personally, I agree with you that there is a lot more truly progressive music out there. But labels are strange things... Dave. From mumford at EUNET.NO Tue Jun 25 05:32:23 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:32:23 +0200 Subject: What's Progressive? Message-ID: I always considered progressive music to be music that involves the listener's participation more than other types of music.... the kind of music you can just sit down and listen to, analyse, swish about in your brain like a fine wine over and over.... Its not a style, but it has a certain intelligence to it that you don't necessarily find in most run-of-the mill pop-rock shlock..... Its not just background music, it has an added dimension and experimental edge. People tend to think of prog as being only the pompous ELP and Yes type stuff because of the quasi-classical influence. I think progressive music is any kind of music you can sit down and get lost in.... be it classical, jazz, rock, ambient... whatever. BTW, what do Henry Cow sound like? Christian From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Tue Jun 25 11:12:17 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:12:17 U Subject: Which HW records to hide from unbelievers Message-ID: >> >> I was goig to ask this question this week anyway. What's the one HW that >> makes you cringe. You know, the one that unbelivers must not hear, lest >> it confirm all their critisms! >Heh... I'd say much of BotBS, really - That'd be Bronicle of the Blabk Sword then? Is this inability to pronounce the letter "B" due to an abbident suffered whilst a sboolboy? Or were you attacked by a bat? "Can you say the letter 'K'?" "Oh yes, Khaki, Kettle, Kipling, Kuwait, Keeble Bollage Oxford." . . Or have I just got this horribly wrong? *grin* Cheers, Rich. ** The grave of Karl Marx is just another Communist plot ** From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 24 12:51:19 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:51:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton, Brentwood and onwards In-Reply-To: <9606241507.aa15730@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9606241507.aa15730 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes > >Peeve: The floor at Brixton is made of some material which has been >designed to absorb archaeological layers of beer and then deposit it on >your jeans. Guess who didn't pack a spare pair of jeans... > >> - Andy > >FoFP I kicked over 2 pints during Assassins while doing a crap Native Indian dance so I contributed to that, sorry ;( hey, Hawkfans must be the only people who apologise to you for leaving their drinks in your way! -- Jon Browne From mumford at EUNET.NO Tue Jun 25 06:27:15 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:27:15 +0200 Subject: Which HW records to hide from unbelievers Message-ID: Richard Lockwood wrote: > > >> > >> I was goig to ask this question this week anyway. What's the one HW that > >> makes you cringe. You know, the one that unbelivers must not hear, lest > >> it confirm all their critisms! > > >Heh... I'd say much of BotBS, really - > > That'd be Bronicle of the Blabk Sword then? Is this inability to pronounce > the letter "B" due to an abbident suffered whilst a sboolboy? Or were you > attacked by a bat? > "Can you say the letter 'K'?" > "Oh yes, Khaki, Kettle, Kipling, Kuwait, Keeble Bollage Oxford." > . Okay, wise arse, my mistake. Sorry, I mixed up the novel Bane of the Black Sword with the album Chronicle of the Black Sword. OK?? . Hence BotBS rather than CotBS!!!! Geez, picky, aren't we? Bhristian From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 24 13:06:14 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 18:06:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Ozrics and DB Question In-Reply-To: <9606241453.AA14063@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: In message <9606241453.AA14063 at beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu>, Guido Vacano writes >Hello-- > > All this Ozric Tentacles bashing is getting a bit annoying. My >humble opinion is that anyone who doesn't like the Tentacles is missing >something. I'm sorry, I really am. To be fair though if you could tell me tracks to listen to, I'm prepared to listen without prejudice. I do trust the group opinion on the list. What exactly am I missing here? It could just be personal for me. I was a bit annoyed when Roly turned up at 5 in the morning, literally, waking the neighbours shouting "It's A Raid! Thought Police - open up!" asked for crash space and graphittied my whole flat up while I slept and then when I woke up, was hanging out of the window talking to the window cleaner about smack for Christsakes!" (which I hasten to add, I've had nothing to do with, ever.) Or then there was the time my mum turned up to one of my gigs and got off with Paul the OT Bongo Player/"percussionist" Cringe. ;( I'll not mention the Ozrics again though. It's all a bit off-t really. Sorry again. -- Jon Browne From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Jun 25 07:01:06 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:01:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton, Brentwood and onwards In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:51:19 BST." Message-ID: Right, well had a fine old time last night at Ipswich - certainly I thought the Hawks did a better job than the gig at Brixton last year. Caught quite a bit of Capt. Rizz including Alan Davey doing some bass work for them, and must admit they were far better than I remember from last time. I'd dragged a couple of friends along, and to be honest the place needed it since it was far from full. Sound quality wise I couldn't really fault it, except maybe Ron's vocals, but then again it was probably Ron's vocals rather than the PA :) Setwise it looks much the same as the last couple of nights. Highlights had to be Assassins (some serious jigging about by me), the extended jam during Sputnik Stan, and Kapal. Unless I time travelled on the way to having a waz, I don't recall them playing Aerospaceage Inferno. The only difference I can see was another instrumental between Sput. Stan and Xenomorph. I'm not up on the tracks on Alieen4 but to me it sounded very much like a vocal-less rendition of Shouldn't Do That, but you'd have to find a tape to confirm. The light show was OK, but didn't properly take advantage of the arched, church-like roof of the venue which would have been a good place to bounce lights off. I also agree that Abduction is a very wierd way to finish a gig, rather than go out with a bang. The set lasted just a bit over 2 hours with the encore. Got accosted by the guy handing out copies of Hawkfrendz, who thought the Nethawks (US ed.) t-shirt was a really cool design. "Yeah, I know" ;-) ;-) Cheers, Tim From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Tue Jun 25 12:11:06 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:11:06 U Subject: HW: Motorhead: Orgasmatron Message-ID: >> > Hey, >> > Wasn't there also an orgasmatron in Barberella? I think it was a >> >device used by the mad dude Duran Duran. (Oh, no! I said that word again!) >> > Troy >> >> I may have missed a bit of the thread of this, so apologies if I point out >> that the Orgasmatron was in Woody Allen's Sleeper - the thing in Barbarella >> wasn't actually referred to (I think) as an Orgasmatron - altho' my >>girlfriend >> wants to know where she can buy one... :-) >I think the machine in Barbarella was called an Excessor machine. >Your girlfriend has an interesting death wish. :) Nope. Anything Jane Fonda can do...! :-) Cheers, Rich. ** The grave of Karl Marx is just another Communist plot ** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 07:33:29 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:33:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Questions In-Reply-To: <199606250430.AAA26890@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Jun 25, 96 00:30:03 am Message-ID: > >>>The idea for the Cyberspace interviews actually came from my the manager > >of EMI Premier (who was responsible for putting out the re-mastered series > >and getting the web site sponsership). He provided the seed, Doug and Dave > >liked the idea, and I have expanded upon it. > > Doug. Is Doug going to do one of these some day? I can imagine... > > "Where will you be standing say about 10 pm on July 16?" > > BTW, just kidding, Doug is assuming a vital role of scapegoat. He soaks up > much hostility that might be otherwise directed at Dave. ... or Steve Swann (normally the default boc-l scapegoat ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 07:38:49 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:38:49 +0100 Subject: yer actual sonic attack Message-ID: This from todays Electronic Telegraph.... Pop star's sonic boom rocks the neighbours A POP STAR'S experiments with his 25,000-watt home-made sonic gun have brought an answering blast from dozens of people living up to two miles from his country estate. Ray Tucker, 59, and his wife Pat, 52, who keep a herd of cattle and 170 sheep on their farm near Totnes in Devon, say that the noise drove the cows wild and led to the loss of a calf a few days from birth. Mrs Tucker said: "When the noise started it was a low howl like an aircraft about to crash. Then it stopped and, when it started again, it sounded more like a very loud didgeridoo." The Tuckers are now planning to ask for compensation for the calf, which they say would have been worth #900, and extra vets' bills. Jim Cauty is the man behind the acoustic gun. He made a fortune as a member of the group KLF with a string of House Music hits in the early 1990s, including Doctoring the House and Justified and Ancient. Critics - not just Mrs Tucker - have compared percussive, repetitive "House" to a giant didgeridoo or the sound of a plane heading for certain disaster. Mr Cauty tested his gun to the full for four hours last Friday during a party for 10 friends at his home, Knowle House, near Broadhempston, Totnes. The tests were accompanied by the firing of red flares and came at the end of a fireworks display. Silence eventually fell when police called at 1am. Mr Cauty, whose arts establishment, the K Foundation, claimed to have burnt UKP 1 million as a protest against the "pretensions" of the Turner art prize, explained his fascination with sonic guns yesterday. It began after he bought two Saracen armoured vehicles at a scrapyard for #4,000 and found equipment in them that he thought could have been used in sonic warfare. He then began assembling his acoustic gun from information he found on the Internet. Installing huge amplifiers and special speakers to cope with the very low frequencies has cost him tens of thousands of pounds. Initial tests were carried out at the Royal Festival Hall and he is now looking at new ways to experiment with the contraption without upsetting his neighbours. Mr Cauty said: "I am very sorry about any damage or inconvenience we have caused, but the Ministry of Defence should not be worried because it is all stuff we have rebuilt ourselves. "We are trying to find out how far a very low frequency will travel. We know it goes a long way and we were seeing if we could reach the radio mast at Halwell. It seems there has been quite of lot of research in America into acoustic weapons and seven Hertz is the level at which they will affect humans. "My equipment could not go that low, because it would rip apart the speakers. I do not know what the Government know about all this. I have seen a reference to a device called a curdler used by the Army for riot control in Northern Ireland. "The French once built a device which I have seen a picture of and is so big that it had to be mounted on a train with the speakers encased in concrete. I moved to Devon six months ago for a bit of a rest and this is a project I am taking an interest in. I do not see it as music or art." He said that he aimed the gun away from homes. It seemed to have no effect on sheep and he did not realise that it would disturb cattle. He was put in the picture when Mr and Mrs Tucker arrived on his doorstep. Mrs Tucker said: "We went round to see Mr Cauty and took the dead calf with us in the back of our Land Rover. He said it had been a tremendous bash, but then we showed him the calf and told him that is what he had done. "We had six heifers in calf which started stampeding around their field looking for somewhere to get out. If the bull had broken out it would have been disastrous, because someone might have been hurt and the animal would have had to be shot. "It was too dangerous for my husband to stay in the field. He stood by the gate and tried to calm them down. The next day two of the heifers went into labour and we lost one of the calves." The Defence Ministry said it had no knowledge of testing sound weapons and the Army Historical Branch had no information. John Bullen, of the Imperial War Museum, said: "There was a lot of interest in sound between the wars but mainly as a means of detection. The Germans experimented with it during the last war. The intention was to cause distress to people." Chris From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 07:39:33 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:39:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton, Brentwood and onwards In-Reply-To: <199606251101.MAA06052@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Jun 25, 96 12:01:06 pm Message-ID: > I'd dragged a couple of friends along, and to be honest the place needed it > since it was far from full. I bet a lot of people who might have gone to the othern southern shows saved their shekels for the Brixton gig and went to that instead. They should have done Brixton as a one-off and toured either earlier in the spring or waited another month or two. By the end of July or August I could justify the expense of catching another gig or two, but not right away! If it hadn't been for the Brixton/solstice gig I certainly would have been at Ipswich. Come to think of it, since I'm planning to try for the Langtree festival I guess I already _have_ justified another HW gig in July! :) Cheers, Carl From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 08:41:20 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:41:20 +0000 Subject: NetHawks T-Shirts Message-ID: Are these Nethawk T-shirts still available, and from who ? Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Jun 25 07:50:31 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:50:31 +0100 Subject: NetHawks T-Shirts In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:41:20 -0000." <31CFD060.230C@mic.dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Are these Nethawk T-shirts still available, and from who ? I think all shirts of both designs have been sold by now. Can't recall who organised either production. I still have the original artwork (acrylic on paper) for the pan-BOC-l design (radio wave Hawks/stonehenge/me-262) There's a couple of t-shirt printers in town I could check out if there was sufficient interest (maybe get different colours than black). Tim From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 07:53:16 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:53:16 +0100 Subject: HW: An obvious question In-Reply-To: <01I6B18QN6HQ8YDELJ@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Jun 25, 96 00:23:54 am Message-ID: > And just get a damned synth player. This is probably the single most important thing that HW could do. I mean, I'm one of those who think adding Ron was a good move (no matter what you think of the vocals, let's compare the direction on _Alien4_ or _Love in Space_ or the recent gigs with IITBOTFTBD--better? I thought so :) but even so, I don't understand why they simply got a singer when they could have gotten someone to play the synths! I think the sequencers really limit them, musically. You lose and incredible quantity of spontaneity. > Listening to Love In Space (which grows > on me with each listen) and having never seen them live, I just can't see > how he can be making all the noises while guitar is blaring out at the same > time. Perhaps someone could explain this "sequencer" thing? Not bad > sounding, but I'd just be more comfortable knowing that these noises were > not generated simply by the press of a button... Well, yes and no. Basically, as I understand their current set up the swooshy things are pre-programmed sounds which can be triggered by Dave's guitar playing and (according to Richard) Richard's drums. Don't know where Allen fits in, though he usually gets some credits here. This process is performed through the wonders of MIDI (look closely on Dave's guitar sometime and you'll see some weird-ass pickup configs with little glowing lights etc.--this looks to be Dave's MIDI link and possibly a guitar synth _a la_ Roland? I noticed at Brixton that Abduction finished with a big synth sound which was accompanied by a dramatic guitar gesture from Dave (!) but no guitar sound. I assume we are looking at a guitar synth or something. Linking the sounds to Richard's drums also keeps them in the proper tempo. According to Richard, the set-up is flexible enough that they _can_, to a certain extent, jam ... though they don't seem to be doing it much. A number of people have noted that sometimes the mix of "Space Is Their Palestine" and "Hassan I Sabha" seems to work, and sometimes it doesn't. I think this mostly has to do with the tempo Richard is playing at. Other than that, most of the ambientoid instrumentals are fairly canned sounding/looking. At Brixton, Dave spent most of Kapal wandering around his gear poking into the back of it with a torch ;) On Elfin Alan actually could be seen to be playing the keyboard directly, but often it's hard to tell what's going on. The best thing you can say about the canned music is that there seems to be less of it than there was a couple of years ago, and it mostly serves as linking pieces to give the band a brief break. But think how much better it would be to have a REAL synth player doing something live in real time? Well, maybe they'll end up trying to recruit Crum again. There's a question: what ever happened to the plan to bring Crum aboard? I remember some odd rumor like his wife being against it. Or maybe that was Simon House? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 07:58:30 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:58:30 +0100 Subject: OTHER: Amon Duul 2 In-Reply-To: <960624180457_224106887@emout14.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jun 24, 96 06:04:59 pm Message-ID: > Not finding a decent AD2 page anywhere on the web, I figured I'd better start > one myself! > So far it's a bit basic - but ya gotta start somewhere! > For the time being, at least, it's on: > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham/ad2.htm > Any suggestions, corrections, contributions, etc, welcome! Good--once I get my fledgling Hawkfrendz page up in a couple of days I'll put in a link (since there's that Hawkfrendz AD2 booklet). Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Tue Jun 25 12:55:52 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:55:52 U Subject: NetHawks T-Shirts Message-ID: >> Are these Nethawk T-shirts still available, and from who ? >I think all shirts of both designs have been sold by now. Can't recall who >organised either production. >I still have the original artwork (acrylic on paper) for the pan-BOC-l >design (radio wave Hawks/stonehenge/me-262) >There's a couple of t-shirt printers in town I could check out if there >was sufficient interest (maybe get different colours than black). I'd be keen... Cheers, Rich. ** The grave of Karl Marx is just another Communist plot ** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 08:01:46 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:01:46 +0100 Subject: Cyberspace interviews In-Reply-To: <199606241941.PAA02803@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Jun 24, 96 03:41:55 pm Message-ID: > Well, I suppose we could have two hawkfans play "Good Hawkfan, Bad > Hawkfan". > First you get a list of questions you'd really like to have answered, but that > he might not like that much. Then you get some really lousy, pissy ones, > bringing up Nik and HLL as often as possible, and "why don't you ditch > Doug Smith" type of questions. You synchronise with the other person, > and ask alternating questions, so they'd be more likely to view the good > ones as a relief from the bad questions.... Yeah, but Dave isn't trapped in a little room getting the third degree from us ;) He can ignore any question he doesn't like (if I were Dave, _I'd_ certainly ignore some of our questions/comments! ;) As the slogan of the Richard Thompson list goes (an actual quote about the RT-list from RT!): "They're worse than real critics, they're _amateur_ critics!" Though of course, on the other hand, _we're_ the ones buying the albums ... ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 08:10:53 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:10:53 +0100 Subject: The Cyberspace Interviews In-Reply-To: <199606241912.PAA17220@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at Jun 24, 96 03:12:57 pm Message-ID: > > Apart from the obvious HawkGrumbles ;) I'd quite like to know > > what album plans Hawkwind have for the future--what kind of things > > they're thinking of doing. For example, are they ever going to > > resurrect the Earth Ritual concept? I think that would be great, and > > that its time has come. > > What exactly *was* the Earth Ritual supposed to be?? Nothing on the EP seemed > to be particularly cohesive - in fact, it was just a few songs about all sorts > of things....I would've thought this idea would've been more like what was on > 'Church of Hawkwind'...you know, Fall of Earth City and such. Actually, I only have a hazy recollection of the ERP EP :) I was just working off the concept of SR, about people zipping about in space and lots of groovy sounding mystical stuff about space, and think something based on Earth with the same rationale would be cool. To a certain extent "Night of the Hawks" and "Green Finned Demon" (both from ERP, yes?) wouldn't be a million miles away from that. Dave could get into his interests in Native American stuff, and volcanos in Hawaii and that. I think far out songs of "weird earth topics" (stone circles, crop circles, ley lines, etc.) would be cool (Stonehenge) and very Hawkwindish. You could even tie-in to SR with Orgone Accumulator, would be equally appropriate on ER as it would on SR ... Well, I think it would be cool anyway. Hawkwind are at their best with concepts (Doremi/SR, Warrior, CotBS, Alien ...) and I think this would be one that suited them. Yeah, OK, it has its corny side but nearly _everything_ from Hawkwind has its corny side. That is what makes it great--depending on how the listener approaches it can be amazingly sublime or mindlessly inane :) Getting the frame on mind on for HW is part of the journey ... Right, now _I'M_ getting more inane than usual ... :) Time to leave of for the moment ... > ObCD - Love in Space - where the hell are the discs??? They gotta be in here > somewhere??? Oh, there they are....now how the hell do I get them out?? Beam them up ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 25 09:20:44 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:20:44 EST Subject: off: R thompson Message-ID: Carl sez > > As the slogan of the Richard Thompson list goes (an actual > quote about the RT-list from RT!): "They're worse than real critics, > they're _amateur_ critics!" > > Though of course, on the other hand, _we're_ the ones buying > the albums ... ;) > > Cheers, > Carl > Whoa! Carl, can you supply any details for the Thompson list? I'm a huge fan of his, and would definitely want to subscribe. thanks theo p.s. Anyone out there know of any Jeff Beck list or web sites? The Sony one is for shit. Also any fan club info etc. Calling all Beck fans! theo From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Jun 25 13:39:18 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:39:18 BST Subject: HW: An obvious question In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:53:16 +0100 Message-ID: > I noticed at Brixton that Abduction finished > with a big synth sound which was accompanied by a dramatic guitar gesture > from Dave (!) but no guitar sound. I assume we are looking at a guitar > synth or something. Ask him! Dave. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 25 08:46:15 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:46:15 -0400 Subject: Review: Brain Surgeons in Boston - 6/22/96 Message-ID: The "technical details": Brain Surgeons Mama Kin Boston, Massachusetts June 22, 1996 The songs (in order performed): Name Your Monster Career Of Evil Medusa St. Vitus Date With My Guitar Language Of Love I Play The Drums Gimme Nothin' Time Will Take Care Of You Dominance And Submission encores: Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll The Red And The Black Brain Surgeons: Albert Bouchard, Deborah Frost, Dave Hirschberg, Pete Bohovesky, Billy Hilfiger The "review" . . . If the Brain Surgeons are ever lucky enough (they certainly are talented enough) to carve a place for themselves in music history, 1996 is likely to be seen as the year that the band really came into its own -- and one of the highlights of 1996 in Brain Surgeons history will no doubt be the night of June 22nd, when the band played to a packed house (approximately 300 people) at Mama Kin in Boston. Perhaps the club itself had something to do with it. Mama Kin is a well-run club with a good sound system and a great atmosphere. It was a Saturday night, and it was obvious that people were looking for a good time. And while I personally was not into the opening act, Jeff and Jane Hudson (my description of them, and probably a poor one at that, is "The Beatles on steroids meets the B-52's on NyQuil"), they did serve to pump up the mixed crowd ("the greasers meet the moshers" observed Brain Surgeon's drummer Albert Bouchard) for the main event. Most of the crowd no doubt had not ever seen the Brain Surgeons before, and may have been lured more by the lack of a cover charge -- but I suspect many of them will make it a point to show up the next time the band is in town. But, of course the main reason that this night would prove to be special was the band itself. I've spoken at length in the past about how much I enjoy this band's music, which is a heavy blend of rock sounds from the 60's to the 90's and everything in-between that is gritty, emotional, dynamic, and FUN. The musical talent of the band has also been highly regarded by myself and others before. However, for a band to come across well live, good music, talent (and a good club) will only get you so far. A key element is the band being "tight" or "in synch" -- all the individuals functioning as one unit. Of the four times I've seen the Brain Surgeons in the last two years (and I've raved about the other three shows), the band has never sounded so tight. Throughout the band's 10-song set (plus two encores), from the covers of some classic Blue Oyster Cult (Albert Bouchard's former band) to songs from the band's 2 CDs (*Eponymous* and *Trepanation*) to two songs from their up-coming CD (more on that later), the band delivered a polished performance. One could easily assume that the five members of the Brain Surgeons have been playing together for many years. The band opened their set with their standard opener, "Name Your Monster" -- I noticed that Albert Bouchard seemed to really be pounding his drums throughout the set (getting a few blisters in the process). At the end of the song, the band segued immediately into a noticeably slowed "Career Of Evil", a change which seemed to place more emphasis on the song's lyrics. This song too segued into the next number, "Medusa". The lack of space between the songs seemed to help maintain a sustained level of energy in the set, which was rewarded by loud cheers and applause as the third number was completed. Singer Deborah Frost then took a moment to give guitarist Peter Bohovesky a present on this the occasion of his 31st birthday. The band then played "St. Vitus" and "Date With My Guitar", two songs from the band's upcoming CD. According to Albert Bouchard (who's obviously excited about the upcoming CD as he discussed various details of it with me as soon as a met him at the club), the recording of the tracks has been completed, but the mixing will not be completed for a bit. Without giving away any secrets, Albert did indicated that the new album would be quite different from the previous two, and that there would be a few guest appearances by some of his friends in the music world. The two new songs played at the show both fit well into the set, and it was at about this point in the set that several people decided to start shaking it up on the dance floor (most of whom would remain there for the remainder of the set - even during Albert's drum solo). "Language Of Love" and "I Play The Drums" followed, with the band shifting a mellow folksy tune to a pedal- to-the-metal rocker (with a blistering, and apparently danceable, drum solo). Next up was "Gimme Nothin'", a hard-edged driving song which lets you know that the Brain Surgeons are a guitar band - flanked by Peter Bohovesky and Billy Hilfiger, with David Hirschberg holding down the bottom on bass. Deborah Frost also adds additional guitar work on songs where she doesn't sing lead. Her strength however, is in her vocal chords, which are used to perhaps their fullest potential on the next song, "Time Will Take Care Of You". Rounding out the set was a smoking cover of "Dominance And Submission", complete with audience participation. The crowd demanded more, and the band returned two more times to cover two more BOC chestnuts, "Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll", and "The Red And The Black" (while one might expect the Brain Surgeons to cover BOC songs like "Don't Fear The Reaper", all of the BOC covers performed by the Brain Surgeons were penned by Bouchard). The second encore was preceded by guitarist Billy Hilfiger stepping up to the microphone and politely asking the soundman (which the entire crowd heard) if the band could play another song. This was rather humorous for two reasons. First, the last time the band played here, the soundman was not aware of how long the band was supposed to play, and cut the band's set short by 3 songs. Second, the crowd probably would have demanded the soundman's head had he denied the request. All in all, this was the finest performance I've seen the Brain Surgeons deliver -- and I have certainly had good things to say about their past performances. So, if I couldn't convince you before to check out this band, perhaps you should check them out now. I'm sure that they will be returning to the Boston area fairly soon, based on this performance. The Brain Surgeons' two CDs, *Eponymous* and *Trepanation* are both on the Ripe and Ready label (catalog numbers Ripe2204 and Ripe2211 respectively). If you can't find them in your local record store (check the larger chains first), write to the band for information, which will also get you on their mailing list: Cellsum, P.O. Box 1070 Fort George Station New York, N.Y. 10040 For those of you in cyberspace, you can check out the band's web page at the following URL: http://www.NovPapyrus.com/bs/ On a few personal notes, it's somewhat unfortunate that the band couldn't play a longer set as they have several other songs worthy of inclusion into their sets. Some of my personal favorites from their 2 CDs include "The Most Romantic Place In The World", "Soul Jive", "Sally", "Ramblin' Rose", and especially "My Civilization" -- all of which have been done live by the band in the past. Also, it was good to see some local Brain Surgeons fans (like BOC-L member Bob Rudich, and the designer of the Brain Surgeons web-page Tania Ruiz) at the show. Finally, a special thanks must go out to my wife, Carol, who allowed me to have a night out on the town (not a minor request, considering we have a 2-year-old at home). -- John Swartz From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Tue Jun 25 14:08:03 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:08:03 U Subject: BOC : The Goldmine Story Message-ID: >Agree again. Not being much of a sci-fi fan, I know nothing of MM. >I would've liked some background info. How he and EB met, started >working together, etc. I've got a tape of a radio interview ("Inner View"?) where EB says he started off by sending MM a 'fan' letter. Cheers, Rich. ** The grave of Karl Marx is just another Communist plot ** From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 14:41:00 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:41:00 BST Subject: HW: Brixton, Brentwood and onwards In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:51:19 +0100 Message-ID: Someone under the command of Space Aliens scribed: > We now know what the BOC-L hawks do with their days: crash in ther own > beer spill. Hey!! *I* don't spill beer. *I'm* Scottish! ObAnecdote: Liverpool Worldcon. Distracted by a passing young lady, I tripped over a short flight of three stairs. I knew my ankle was massively sprained within half a second and concentrated on landing correctly. I managed to twist and land on one side with my hand held out in front of me. That hand of course held my pint and the pint remained intact. This was lucky since the pain hit immediately, necessitating a long draught from aforementioned pint. Peeve: The young lady in question was a nurse and immediately confiscated my pint making some spurious claim about coming to my aid. BonusPeeve: I was too pissed to go to hospital and fell asleep before ice-packing my ankle. The damn thing took 6 months to heal and buggered up the end of a ski season. This whole debauchery thing surely Isn't So Easy. FoFP From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Jun 25 13:54:31 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:54:31 -0300 Subject: HW: Questions for Dave Message-ID: The EMI remasters are a superb job. Are there plans afoot to remaster the Charisma or Bronze albums? If so, which will be first up? Who choreographs your stage shows? What's the story behind the "festivals" lyrics? What are the pros & cons of working as a three-piece (instrumentally)? Can you still jam with all the Midi gear you use? What plans do you have for celebrating the new millenium? How do changes in the current music scene affect the way you write music? In the 26 years of Hawkwind, what was the single best moment? What do you most regret? The Alien 4 and Love In Space tours have been quite theatrical. Is this something you want to develop more, or have you something different in mind for the next tour? Why did you change the names of some old tracks when you revived them on recent albums? Who are your favourite authors? What it your favourite conspiracy theory? Which ex-hawks would you most like to work with again (if any)? From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 24 08:44:16 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:44:16 +0100 Subject: OFF : Sorry In-Reply-To: <15993.9605230947@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: Erm, No my long since defunct and sadly not even missed band was not called "Christ" . I was using the word, inappropriately as an intensifier. Especially in light of recent postings, I should have been more thoughtful. I do apologise. Actually we were variously known as RING, RING TRIBE or LEGION OF DYNIAMIC DISCORD and we were largely crap BTW. We did support NIK at The Clarendon, though and did Glastonbury a couple of times. The Ozrics liked us. ;) -- Jon Browne From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Tue Jun 25 10:50:21 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 00:50:21 +1000 Subject: Which HW records to hide from unbelievers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Richard Lockwood wrote: > >Heh... I'd say much of BotBS, really - > > That'd be Bronicle of the Blabk Sword then? Is this inability to pronounce > the letter "B" due to an abbident suffered whilst a sboolboy? Or were you > attacked by a bat? It appears that the letter "C", not "B", is the problem, chowderhead. >:) Troy H. I love it. " The definition of a gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipes- but doesn't" (or is that "sequencer") :-) From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jun 25 11:26:36 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:26:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: from "Damon C Capehart" at Jun 25, 96 01:18:17 am Message-ID: Damon C Capehart writes: > > I think Mr. Rats ("Can we call you Star?") meant to post this to the > entire list. [Oopsie. :) ] So here it be: > > At 09:57 PM 6/24/96 -0500, Damon C Capehart wrote: > >Another question for Mr. Star Rats: > >Since you are apparently subscribed to BOC-L, I assume you are reading > >all of those hypothetical questions we're posting. With this in mind, > >might you use some of the questions posted here in the interview proper? > > I am reading the mailing list and the questions that are posted. I'm > afraid that I will only use the questions submitted via the form on the > page. > > By the way, there has been about 50 questions already about HW playing in > the US, so can we take that one as read from now on please everyone? Dear Mr. Rats, We're reasonable people. If you promise to tell Dave that the question was submitted a godawful number of times, we'll promise not to submit it any more. :-) (Of course, we BOC-Lers aren't the only Hawkfans out there. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 11:55:38 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:55:38 +0100 Subject: Which HW records to hide from unbelievers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > >Heh... I'd say much of BotBS, really - > > > > That'd be Bronicle of the Blabk Sword then? Is this inability to pronounce > > the letter "B" due to an abbident suffered whilst a sboolboy? Or were you > > attacked by a bat? > > It appears that the letter "C", not "B", is the problem, chowderhead. > > >:) What a pair of silly bunts! D From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 12:08:39 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:08:39 +0100 Subject: Michael Moorcock In-Reply-To: <3B365237587@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Ted Jackson jr. (replying to Alex Garcia) wrote: > Not being much of a sci-fi fan, I know nothing of MM. > I would've liked some background info. How he and EB met, started > working together, etc. Michael Moorcock is great and well worth reading! Check out this page: http://www-scf.usc.edu/~oray/moorcock.html to get an idea of his stuff. My favourite Moorcock books are the 'Dancers at the end of time' trilogy and the first 4 Jerry Cornelius novels (The Final Programme, A Cure for Cancer, The English Assassin, The Condition of Muzak) but Eric Bloom seems to be more into the Elric 'sword-and-sorcery' books and The Winds of Limbo, which I think is the one where the great Sun Jester appears). - Mike ('Can't tell Diz from Redcap') Godwin From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jun 25 13:01:08 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:01:08 -0400 Subject: Which HW records to hide from unbelievers In-Reply-To: from "Hardman DK" at Jun 25, 96 04:55:38 pm Message-ID: Hardman DK writes: > > > > > > >Heh... I'd say much of BotBS, really - > > > > > > That'd be Bronicle of the Blabk Sword then? Is this inability to pronounce > > > the letter "B" due to an abbident suffered whilst a sboolboy? Or were you > > > attacked by a bat? > > > > It appears that the letter "C", not "B", is the problem, chowderhead. > > > > >:) > > What a pair of silly bunts! But the brap, you bunch of boneheads. This is BOB-L, not a playground. If you ban't stay on topib, we'll have to get Ben Bohen to banbel your abbess. Steve swann at panix.bom From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jun 25 13:29:26 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:29:26 -0400 Subject: Stirring up trouble.... Message-ID: recently posted on alt.music.blueoystercult: >: >CD.....but "Shooting Shark" and "Dancing in the Ruins" are nice and fresh >: >sounding.Nice work people!. > >: That'd be cause for a lynch mob on BOC-L.... > >Without going into, BOC-l isn't really worth hanging around anyway unless >you're into Bouchard OC. Sorry, but everything they accuse the AOL >contingent of is mainfestly true in their rants about Albert = Good, BOC = >Bad. > >Charlie Gow >Brewery Of Cult >Santa Rosa, CA (the middle ">:" line was mine, the first ">:>" line was some new guy reviewing WotT, picking what he though were the standouts of the song selection...) WELL. Yes, it's edited somewhat, most of the rest was in regards to mistake I made thinking that SS was on CN (hey, if Swartz can do it, so can I).... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jun 25 13:29:24 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:29:24 -0400 Subject: Which HW records to hide from unbelievers Message-ID: >Hardman DK writes: >But the brap, you bunch of boneheads. This is BOB-L, not a playground. >If you ban't stay on topib, we'll have to get Ben Bohen to banbel >your abbess. When did we get coneheads on this list? I thought there were no aliens allowed. Except Alex, but he claims to be from France. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jun 25 13:34:32 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:34:32 -0400 Subject: BOC: www.boc.com Message-ID: Hey, on a hunch, I tried the above link (www.boc.com) on the logic that if it worked for www.hawkwind.com. I was surprised to find a very nice graphically oriented web site, check it out. You might be in for a surprise... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 25 14:40:59 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:40:59 EST Subject: Stirring up trouble.... Message-ID: > > recently posted on alt.music.blueoystercult: > > >: >CD.....but "Shooting Shark" and "Dancing in the Ruins" are nice and fresh > >: >sounding.Nice work people!. > > > >: That'd be cause for a lynch mob on BOC-L.... > > > > (the middle ">:" line was mine, the first ">:>" line was some new guy > reviewing WotT, > picking what he though were the standouts of the song selection...) > Gee, how'd he overlook 'Marshall Plan?' And no whining over the omission of 'Let Go?' It's a world gone mad! theo From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Jun 25 14:01:54 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:01:54 -0400 Subject: Which HW records to hide In-Reply-To: <199606251701.NAA19448@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jun 25, 96 01:01:08 pm Message-ID: Steve Swann sayz... > > > > What a pair of silly bunts! > > But the brap, you bunch of boneheads. This is BOB-L, not a playground. > If you ban't stay on topib, we'll have to get Ben Bohen to banbel > your abbess. I'm afraid I just don't understand your banter...... Keith H. (FAA) From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 19:01:33 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 19:01:33 BST Subject: HW: Questions for Dave Message-ID: Is it easier (more enjoyable?) playing live on stage with a large group of other musicians or with all the current technical equipment? NB: I like the current sound! but would he ever consider going back to Hawkwind before keyboards or at least to only minimal technology - or has the Hawkwind sound now evolved well beyond this? No Hawkwind Unplugged tour? 8-)) Somebody mentioned recently that the present Hawkwind sound seems closest to that of Hawkwind in 1976 brought up to 1990s date. Is this an accurate reflection of the style Hawkwind are playing at the moment? Will the current version of Steppenwolf be officially released anywhere? And, yes, has he got any plans for the Millenium celebrations! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Jun 25 14:08:43 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:08:43 -0500 Subject: HW: US Covers: Update In-Reply-To: Allan T Grohe Jr "HW: US Covers: Update" (Jun 21, 6:21pm) Message-ID: > I put 6 sets in the mail today: Chris Steir, Alan Siebert, Frank Weil, I got my tapes yesterday, and they look great. I just started listening to them now, but I am impressed so far. My congratulations on a job well done by everyone involved in the project! Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 I can't see the point in the theater. All that sex and violence. I get enough of that at home. Apart from the sex, of course. -- Baldrick : Sense and Senility From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Jun 25 14:24:30 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:24:30 -0700 Subject: OFF: Sequencers, What they are (in a nutshell) Message-ID: Someone asked about sequencers, here's what little I know... The original sequencers came out in the early '70's. They were basically a timing device that would play a sequence of notes over and over again. The early versions were limited to eight to sixteen notes. Tangerine Dream, Synergy, JM Jarre and Heldon/Richard Pinhas (amongst _many_ others) made use of these devices. These beasts were analog, FWIW. Then came digital and cheap computers. Now the sequencers are/were digital or software in nature. Sequences are no longer limited to the sixteen note limitation of the older analog boxes, as the (theoretical) limit is as much as the capacity of the program/storage media (think "player piano' with a _really_ long roll...). In reality, a performer could sequence all of the backing tracks, with all of the progressions, time changes, voice changes, effects, etc, etc. and play solo over the sequences. And you probably wouldn't know... I keep waiting for the day when a composer walks out on stage, with his computer center stage, surrounded by synth modules and announces his latest piece of music. He clicks on "PLAY", leaves the stage and lets the hardware perform the show. At the end of the concert, he returns, to accept the applause and shut the system down. Would you feel cheated? objCassette Deck: Pat Metheny Group / We Live Here -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jun 25 14:29:21 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:29:21 -0400 Subject: BOC: www.boc.com In-Reply-To: <199606251734.NAA17754@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Jun 25, 96 01:34:32 pm Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > > Hey, on a hunch, I tried the above link (www.boc.com) on the logic > that if it worked for www.hawkwind.com. > > I was surprised to find a very nice graphically oriented web site, check > it out. You might be in for a surprise... I think I may have found a bit of insight from their web page: BOC Gases' products are used in a wide variety of traditional and innovative processes. Our gas and equipment solutions to our customers' needs revolve around one or more of three basic classifications: Inertness Reactivity Coldness :-) Steve swann at panix.com From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Jun 25 15:31:35 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:31:35 -0500 Subject: oops Message-ID: On 25-JUN-1996 03:44:46.9 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Sorry, this one was supposed to go to Chuck. >Christian My fault; my original post that you replied to somehow ended up here. Sorry, folks... Confirmed, Christian. It will be sent out Thurs or Fri, 1st class. Chuck `[1;36;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 25 14:33:42 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:33:42 -0400 Subject: Stirring up trouble.... Message-ID: Andrew - now you've gone and done it! Stirring up the BOC-L vs AOL debate again! Your punishment will be to attend the next AOL BOC chat session, and randomly post requests for information on Duran Duran. ;-) An AOL-type who's name I shall not repeat said: >Without going into, BOC-l isn't really worth hanging around anyway unless >you're into Bouchard OC. Sorry, but everything they accuse the AOL >contingent of is mainfestly true in their rants about Albert = Good, BOC = >Bad. Obviously this person does not know what he is talking about. First of all, there is plenty of praise for BOC when it's warranted (and probably even some when it's not - and most of the times that's probably from me). As far as "rants about Albert", well I for one am guilty of that (but as I just said, I tend to rant about BOC too), and perhaps the reason there is such positive comments about Albert here is because quite frankly he's got alot going on musically these days, and it's quality stuff (and I'm not the only one saying that -- and BOC-L isn't the only group saying that for that matter - check out some reviews of Brain Surgeons material by independent publications if you don't believe me). On the other hand, BOC has done very little new things musically in the last few years - 2 compilation albums (both of which could have been done much better had the pricipals involved been more interested in what the diehard BOC fans want) are the most significant events in the last 4 years for BOC (other than a few personel changes at the very instruments vacated by the Bouchard brothers - coincidence?). Meanwhile, Albert has released 2 CDs (with a 3rd due out later this year) of new material that alot of people who get a chance to hear it really like. But all of that doesn't mean that "Albert = Good, BOC = bad". Quite frankly, alot of us here who are BOC fans complain about BOC so much because of the fact that they've done so little musically lately -- we cry out for the glory days of old, or at least for the band to show some sign of attempting to get there, and maybe someday if they really do put out an album (and I for one am really hoping this latest deal is the real thing, and I eagerly await the day when I'll hear new BOC material on my CD player). But instead, we get promises of a new album "in the future", we get half-hearted efforts in releasing the band's past material, and we watch the band's popularity slowly dwindle -- why shouldn't we be pissed? Finally, I think it is untrue that everyone on this list says that Albert walks on water - there has been plenty of criticism of Albert (can anybody say "Debbie Denise") and even (shudder) a few criticisms of the Brain Surgeons (but, blame it on Steve Swann), but hey - if there's less to criticize (and you all know that I don't criticize much anyway, be it Albert, BOC, or whoever - so perhaps I'm a bad example) when it comes to Albert, is that BOC-L's fault, or BOC's? Please feel free to post this message to alt.music.blueoystercult -- unfortunately I don't have access to it. Please also request that anyone who has any further comments or follow-up posts to this thread on that newsgroup please also e-mail them to me (jswartz at mitre.org) as I won't see them otherwise. Anyone who knows me knows I'm one of BOC's biggest fans (is the FAQ not proof enough?), but I also happen to be one of the Brain Surgeons' biggest fans. Please, someone post this for me to alt.music.blueoystercult. Thanks, John (still the editor of the BOC FAQ) From hdboc at TELEVAR.COM Tue Jun 25 15:08:26 1996 From: hdboc at TELEVAR.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:08:26 -0700 Subject: BOC: www.boc.com Message-ID: As a distributor of imprinted products, I often receive sample products from various factory suppliers. Recently I received several caps from a manufacturer. One was BOC Gases. I thought it was great :) Jack http://j-and-a.com/boc.html Stephen Swann wrote: > > Andrew A. Apold writes: > > > > Hey, on a hunch, I tried the above link (www.boc.com) on the logic > > that if it worked for www.hawkwind.com. > > > > I was surprised to find a very nice graphically oriented web site, check > > it out. You might be in for a surprise... > > I think I may have found a bit of insight from their web page: > > BOC Gases' products are used in a wide variety of traditional and > innovative processes. Our gas and equipment solutions to our > customers' needs revolve around one or more of three basic > classifications: > > Inertness > Reactivity > Coldness > > :-) > > Steve > swann at panix.com From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 25 16:06:32 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:06:32 EST Subject: in this corner...Albert Message-ID: > An AOL-type who's name I shall not repeat said: > > >Without going into, BOC-l isn't really worth hanging around anyway unless > >you're into Bouchard OC. Sorry, but everything they accuse the AOL > >contingent of is mainfestly true in their rants about Albert = Good, BOC = > >Bad. > Leave it to that bullying Bolshevik Albert to get all his buddies to gang up on poor little, innocent 3OC! Curiously, the aol folks sound like they want to pretend Al was never in the band at all, let alone try and deny the fact that the band's current creative drought started when the Bouchard brothers exited BOC. I can't believe that they wouldn't do anything possible to bring Al back. Do they actually think the band is better without Al and Joe? I expect they're afraid to acknowledge the great stuff tBS are into, 'cause it would highlight the extent to which 3OC are spinning their wheels. BOC's the best band of all time, but even our heroes need a kick in the ass from their fans periodically. Their current arrogance simply shows that their fans have been right all along. Do I await the german record? Absolutely! But It'd better be killer, or the inevitable comparissons to Al's work with tBS will be made... theo From hdboc at TELEVAR.COM Tue Jun 25 15:17:09 1996 From: hdboc at TELEVAR.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:17:09 -0700 Subject: Stirring up trouble.... Message-ID: As an AOL'er as well as a member of the Four Winds Bar in Prodigy, and now a subscriber to this list, I think the AOL vs. BOC-L is very overrated. There are a few outspoken people who make a lot of noise, but don't represent the entire AOL group as a whole. Most of us are big BOC fans and Albert fans too, and hope for success among all. And when anything negative is posted on the AOL board, we just ignore it. Jack http://j-and-a.com/boc.html John A Swartz wrote: > > Andrew - now you've gone and done it! Stirring up the BOC-L vs AOL > debate again! Your punishment will be to attend the next AOL BOC chat > session, and randomly post requests for information on Duran Duran. ;-) > > An AOL-type who's name I shall not repeat said: > > >Without going into, BOC-l isn't really worth hanging around anyway unless > >you're into Bouchard OC. Sorry, but everything they accuse the AOL > >contingent of is mainfestly true in their rants about Albert = Good, BOC = > >Bad. > > Obviously this person does not know what he is talking about. First of > all, there is plenty of praise for BOC when it's warranted (and probably > even some when it's not - and most of the times that's probably from me). > As far as "rants about Albert", well I for one am guilty of that (but as > I just said, I tend to rant about BOC too), and perhaps the reason there > is such positive comments about Albert here is because quite frankly he's > got alot going on musically these days, and it's quality stuff (and I'm > not the only one saying that -- and BOC-L isn't the only group saying > that for that matter - check out some reviews of Brain Surgeons material > by independent publications if you don't believe me). On the other hand, > BOC has done very little new things musically in the last few years - 2 > compilation albums (both of which could have been done much better had > the pricipals involved been more interested in what the diehard BOC fans > want) are the most significant events in the last 4 years for BOC (other > than a few personel changes at the very instruments vacated by the > Bouchard brothers - coincidence?). Meanwhile, Albert has released 2 CDs > (with a 3rd due out later this year) of new material that alot of people > who get a chance to hear it really like. But all of that doesn't mean > that "Albert = Good, BOC = bad". Quite frankly, alot of us here who > are BOC fans complain about BOC so much because of the fact that they've > done so little musically lately -- we cry out for the glory days of old, > or at least for the band to show some sign of attempting to get there, > and maybe someday if they really do put out an album (and I for one am > really hoping this latest deal is the real thing, and I eagerly await > the day when I'll hear new BOC material on my CD player). But instead, > we get promises of a new album "in the future", we get half-hearted > efforts in releasing the band's past material, and we watch the band's > popularity slowly dwindle -- why shouldn't we be pissed? Finally, I > think it is untrue that everyone on this list says that Albert walks on > water - there has been plenty of criticism of Albert (can anybody > say "Debbie Denise") and even (shudder) a few criticisms of the Brain > Surgeons (but, blame it on Steve Swann), but hey - if there's less to > criticize (and you all know that I don't criticize much anyway, be it > Albert, BOC, or whoever - so perhaps I'm a bad example) when it comes > to Albert, is that BOC-L's fault, or BOC's? > > Please feel free to post this message to alt.music.blueoystercult -- > unfortunately I don't have access to it. Please also request that anyone > who has any further comments or follow-up posts to this thread on that > newsgroup please also e-mail them to me (jswartz at mitre.org) as I won't > see them otherwise. Anyone who knows me knows I'm one of BOC's biggest > fans (is the FAQ not proof enough?), but I also happen to be one of the > Brain Surgeons' biggest fans. > > Please, someone post this for me to alt.music.blueoystercult. > > Thanks, > John > (still the editor of the BOC FAQ) From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jun 25 15:26:47 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:26:47 -0400 Subject: Stirring up trouble.... In-Reply-To: <199606251833.OAA29672@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Jun 25, 96 02:33:42 pm Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > [ John's extensive rebuttal to a post on the net ] > Please feel free to post this message to alt.music.blueoystercult -- > unfortunately I don't have access to it. Please also request that anyone > who has any further comments or follow-up posts to this thread on that > newsgroup please also e-mail them to me (jswartz at mitre.org) as I won't > see them otherwise. Anyone who knows me knows I'm one of BOC's biggest > fans (is the FAQ not proof enough?), but I also happen to be one of the > Brain Surgeons' biggest fans. > > Please, someone post this for me to alt.music.blueoystercult. John, man, just don't fret it. About 4 people read alt.music.blueoystercult, and half of them are BOC-L subscribers. :-) The guy who was doing the complaining wasn't here for the old days of BOC-L, when promises of new new material and forthcoming albums weren't greeted so cynically. He didn't wait out the endless vigil with us, while we praised Buck's concert performances (remember the years when his fretboard technique was refered to as the "Hand of God"?) and talked about Eric's interest in science fiction, and said that Allen looked 150 years old ... ooops! Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad. :) Steve swann at panix.com From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Tue Jun 25 15:31:58 1996 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:31:58 -0400 Subject: OFF: Sequencers, What they are (in a nutshell) Message-ID: >From: Craig Shipley >I keep waiting for the day when a composer walks out on stage, with his >computer center stage, surrounded by synth modules and announces his latest >piece of music. He clicks on "PLAY", leaves the stage and lets the hardware >perform the show. At the end of the concert, he returns, to accept the >applause and shut the system down. Would you feel cheated? The earliest electronic music concerts consisted of the playback of a tape recording, although in a lot of cases, the music was a product of tape techniques and could not be performed in real time. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Jun 25 15:34:51 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:34:51 -0400 Subject: BOC: www.boc.com Message-ID: Yeah. BOC is also the British Oxygen Corporation. Another BOC-L list also exists (Book of Concord list - aforum for the pastoral, theological and historical discussion of the Book of Concord). Maybe the chrisitans who appear on the list from time to time just got the lists confused :-) Martyn From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 20:34:41 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 20:34:41 BST Subject: HW: Questions for Dave In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Tue, 25 Jun 1996 19:01:33 BST Message-ID: In what year does Dave think that Hawkwind will first play from space and does Dave think he'll still be in the band? -- A Mischevious Friend of Fernando Poo From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 20:38:28 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 20:38:28 BST Subject: OFF: Sequencers, What they are (in a nutshell) In-Reply-To: Craig Shipley's message of Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:24:30 -0700 Message-ID: Craig Shipley writes: > I keep waiting for the day when a composer walks out on stage, with his > computer center stage, surrounded by synth modules and announces his latest > piece of music. He clicks on "PLAY", leaves the stage and lets the hardware > perform the show. At the end of the concert, he returns, to accept the > applause and shut the system down. Would you feel cheated? Tangerine Dream have taken 20 minute beer breaks while leaving the 'puters running at shows I've attended. I'm certain that some avant garde composer will already have done the above. FoFP From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 15:37:27 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 20:37:27 +0100 Subject: both: Korg Ms20 ? Message-ID: I don't suppose anyone knows where I could pick up an old Korg MS 20 Synthesizer (SP?). What would be the going price on one of these beasts ? Ta In advance From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 25 15:48:18 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:48:18 -0400 Subject: What, me worry? Message-ID: Jack sez: >As an AOL'er as well as a member of the Four Winds Bar in Prodigy, and now a subscriber to this list, I think the AOL vs. BOC-L is very overrated. and Steve adds: >John, man, just don't fret it. O.K. guys, I'm better now. Too much coffee I guess ;-) John From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Jun 25 15:50:51 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:50:51 -0400 Subject: OFF: Sequencers, What they are (in a nutshell) In-Reply-To: <9606251824.AA17468@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Craig Shipley wrote: > I keep waiting for the day when a composer walks out on stage, with his > computer center stage, surrounded by synth modules and announces his latest > piece of music. He clicks on "PLAY", leaves the stage and lets the hardware > perform the show. At the end of the concert, he returns, to accept the > applause and shut the system down. Would you feel cheated? I'm sure this has actually been done quite a few times. (Didn't Future Sounds of London (literally) phone in a gig once, recorded for posterity on _ISDN_?) Anyway, the story I like is (naturally) the one in which a small ensemble comissioned a piece of music from Frank Zappa. Unfortunately, the piece he wrote was too hard for them to play live. Not to worry, he says, I'll just program up the synclavier and it'll do everything for you. All you need to do is sit there and pretend to play yer hearts out. Nobody will notice the difference. Well, that's what they did, and to tumultuous applause, too. (Nobody seemed to notice their instrument mics weren't plugged in.) The question stands: would you feel cheated? :-) Cheers, Paul. obCheese: "Studio Artists", "Silver Machine", _Hawkwind Covers All_ (Is this FoFP's famed "Top of the Pops" version of SM?) e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jun 25 16:06:51 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:06:51 -0400 Subject: Stirring up trouble.... Message-ID: >John A Swartz writes: >John, man, just don't fret it. About 4 people read >alt.music.blueoystercult, and half of them are BOC-L subscribers. :-) Actually this was a secret plot to increase readership and posting level on alt.music.blueoystercult..... BTW, i did as he asked, just so we don't get extra people doing it also... People can stumble into am.boc, it's hard to stumble onto a list. If nothing else, am.boc is responsible for my finding this list, because someone posted the url for the boc & hawkwind page that had the faq which had how to find this list.... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jun 25 16:13:13 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:13:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: Sequencers, What they are (in a nutshell) Message-ID: >On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Craig Shipley wrote: >notice the difference. Well, that's what they did, and to tumultuous >applause, too. (Nobody seemed to notice their instrument mics weren't >plugged in.) > >The question stands: would you feel cheated? :-) Anybody bringing up Milli Vanilli will be slapped. Cheated? How would we feel if Eric stood in front of BOC with a guitar that wasn't plugged in and pretended to play? +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Tue Jun 25 16:30:00 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:30:00 +0200 Subject: BOC: www.boc.com Message-ID: >Hey, on a hunch, I tried the above link (www.boc.com) on the logic >that if it worked for www.hawkwind.com. > >I was surprised to find a very nice graphically oriented web site, check >it out. You might be in for a surprise... *LOL* Know what ? I tried that one too, based on the same logic... very surprising indeed. Too bad it's *not* what one could expect... :-) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rock In Progress - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6891 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Tue Jun 25 16:36:10 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:36:10 +0200 Subject: BOC: www.boc.com Message-ID: > Yeah. BOC is also the British Oxygen Corporation. Another >BOC-L list also exists (Book of Concord list - aforum for the >pastoral, theological and historical discussion of the Book of >Concord). > Maybe the chrisitans who appear on the list from time >to time just got the lists confused :-) Hahaha... verrrrry funny ! ;-) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rock In Progress - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6891 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 17:53:40 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:53:40 +0100 Subject: in this corner...Albert In-Reply-To: <3C7D86C74DD@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr." at Jun 25, 96 03:06:32 pm Message-ID: > I can't believe that > they wouldn't do anything possible to bring Al back. Do they > actually think the band is better without Al and Joe? Well, tBS are certainly better with Al :) Besides, I don't think Joe would be into it--what has BOC got to offer that's so great? "We tour continuously and play the same songs really, really well over and over again." Er, what? At least Hawkwind keeps shaking the set-list up :) So who has the better new material? BOC or Hawkwind :) Actually, tBS are more _consistent_ than either of the list mainstays :) > I expect > they're afraid to acknowledge the great stuff tBS are into, 'cause it > would highlight the extent to which 3OC are spinning their wheels. Nahhhhhhh! Anyone else want to guess that the growing success of tBS on small labels has prompted BOC to finally give up the major-label pipe-dream and concentrate on getting some product out? Maybe tBS are the best thing that's happened to BOC in a _long_ time :) You can never have too many Hawkwinds ... ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 17:58:00 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:58:00 +0100 Subject: HW: tape requests for Brixton Message-ID: Boy am I getting snowed in with requests for copies of the Brixton gig (aka Hawkwind and the BOC-L Tabernacle Choir ;) !! To everyone who has sent one: I've received your reply and haven't had a chance to deal with it yet! I've been pretty busy of late though hopefully will be a bit freer in the days and weeks to come. I've saved all the requests I've been getting and will get back to people. If I get many more requests, I may consider organising a tree ... Now, having said that, I need to desperately try to remember to send Dave Berry the money I owe him for the covers tapes! :} Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 17:58:38 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:58:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Questions for Dave In-Reply-To: <9606252034.aa19203@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jun 25, 96 08:34:41 pm Message-ID: > In what year does Dave think that Hawkwind will first play from space > and does Dave think he'll still be in the band? You mean they haven't already played from space? ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 18:05:24 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:05:24 +0100 Subject: Stirring up trouble.... In-Reply-To: <199606251926.PAA23441@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jun 25, 96 03:26:47 pm Message-ID: > The guy who was doing the complaining wasn't here for the old days of > BOC-L, when promises of new new material and forthcoming albums > weren't greeted so cynically. He didn't wait out the endless vigil > with us, while we praised Buck's concert performances (remember the > years when his fretboard technique was refered to as the "Hand of > God"?) and talked about Eric's interest in science fiction, and said > that Allen looked 150 years old ... ooops! Well, 2 out of 3 ain't > bad. :) Hey, let's repeat some of that--Buck's fretboard technique is still the Hand of God :) Still, true: these are glory days for BOC in comparison to 4 years ago--remember when we were considering trying to plot a map of BOC sitings to try and predict where they would appear next? At least we get tour dates forwarded on these days. :) Gee, how old is the list? I keep thinking of myself as semi-new, but at the HW Brixton show Andy pointed out I'd probably been here longer than he had! I think when I joined (spring '92?) the list was still on Steve's machine in Buffalo ... ah, remember when the server died and FoFP set up the temporary "Hawkwind List" out of castle at edinburgh? Ahhhh ... CyberNostalgia! I must be getting old :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Jun 25 18:05:09 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:05:09 -0500 Subject: HW: Questions for Dave In-Reply-To: <3935.9606251354@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > [ Lots of very good questions deleted ] A question for Dave (BERRY!): Did you actually send these excellent questions via the form on the WWW? Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 18:08:09 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:08:09 +0100 Subject: Which HW records to hide from unbelievers In-Reply-To: <199606251701.NAA19448@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jun 25, 96 01:01:08 pm Message-ID: > > What a pair of silly bunts! > > But the brap, you bunch of boneheads. This is BOB-L, not a playground. > If you ban't stay on topib, we'll have to get Ben Bohen to banbel > your abbess. Haven't we killed the religious discussion? Banbeling abbesses? Why, you blasphemous so-and-so ..... ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 25 19:08:29 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:08:29 EST Subject: in this corner...Albert Message-ID: Carl responds: > > I can't believe that > > they wouldn't do anything possible to bring Al back. Do they > > actually think the band is better without Al and Joe? > > Well, tBS are certainly better with Al :) I meant the folks on aol would want the B brothers back in BOC. We all know the bridge is burnt... > Besides, I don't think Joe would be into it--what has BOC > got to offer that's so great? "We tour continuously and play the same > songs really, really well over and over again." Except that Al and Joe were both major contributors to BOC. Maybe if the band were still intact with the original lineup, the current BOC doldrum might never have happened. But that's 20/20 hindsight... > Er, what? At least Hawkwind keeps shaking the set-list up :) > So who has the better new material? BOC or Hawkwind :) Actually, > tBS are more _consistent_ than either of the list mainstays :) > Well, both more consistent, and prolific as well. > > I expect > > they're afraid to acknowledge the great stuff tBS are into, 'cause it > > would highlight the extent to which 3OC are spinning their wheels. > > Nahhhhhhh! Anyone else want to guess that the growing success of > tBS on small labels has prompted BOC to finally give up the major-label > pipe-dream and concentrate on getting some product out? Maybe tBS are > the best thing that's happened to BOC in a _long_ time :) > Maybe 3OC are finally realizing that their dream of recapturing a brief moment on the airwaves with 'lighter' stuff ain't the way to go. Even those slow-witted dudes must see the enthusiasm Al's generating among old-guard BOC fans by sticking to the original BOC canon: crazed lyrics, heavy arrangements and enthusiastic vocals. theo> From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 18:23:49 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:23:49 +0100 Subject: OFF : Sorry In-Reply-To: <3Ep+ICAg2ozxEwj8@comics.demon.co.uk> from "Jon Browne" at Jun 24, 96 01:44:16 pm Message-ID: > Actually we were variously known as RING, RING TRIBE or LEGION OF > DYNIAMIC DISCORD and we were largely crap BTW. We did support NIK at The > Clarendon, though and did Glastonbury a couple of times. The Ozrics > liked us. ;) Well, that shows more success than my attempts at music have brought so far! Still, I managed to teach my vocalist/stun guitarist the chords to my songs today after being shanghaied into shifting hay- bales at his girlfriends farm--so that's a start :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 18:37:22 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:37:22 +0100 Subject: in this corner...Albert In-Reply-To: <3CAE0556AC1@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr." at Jun 25, 96 06:08:29 pm Message-ID: > > So who has the better new material? BOC or Hawkwind :) Actually, > > tBS are more _consistent_ than either of the list mainstays :) > > > Well, both more consistent, and prolific as well. Well, actually, I think Hawkwind have probably released at least as much new material as tBS--we need not count re-releases ... But certainly tBS are keeping their end up as far as releasing new material! It's only BOC that need to get in gear! Another album or so from tBS and we'll be due a live one, I think! :) ;) > Even those slow-witted dudes must see the enthusiasm Al's > generating among old-guard BOC fans by sticking to the original BOC > canon: crazed lyrics, heavy arrangements and enthusiastic vocals. Hey, it's got my support everytime :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 25 18:39:15 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:39:15 +0100 Subject: BOC: Spectres cover and Metallica Message-ID: Has this already been mentioned? Does anyone else think the back of the CD booklet for the new Metallica album is remeniscent of the _Spectres_ cover? Minus the lasers, obviously. But the table, the candles, even the color tones evoke it for me. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jun 25 19:01:54 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 19:01:54 -0400 Subject: OFF: More list history trivia... In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Jun 25, 96 11:05:24 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > Still, true: these are glory days for BOC in comparison to 4 > years ago--remember when we were considering trying to plot a map of > BOC sitings to try and predict where they would appear next? At least > we get tour dates forwarded on these days. :) > > Gee, how old is the list? I keep thinking of myself as semi-new, > but at the HW Brixton show Andy pointed out I'd probably been here longer > than he had! Hell of a lot longer. Andy signed on at almost exactly the same time as the Infamous Jonathan Padgett. You know it never rains but it pours. ;-) Just at a guess, I think we still have about 2/3 of the people who signed on within a week of the creation of this list. I can't remember who was the first person to sign on, but several people showed up within a few hours after I posted the announcement. I suspect Stu Hungerford of being the first, or possibly Paul Mather. > I think when I joined (spring '92?) the list was still on > Steve's machine in Buffalo ... ah, remember when the server died and > FoFP set up the temporary "Hawkwind List" out of castle at edinburgh? > Ahhhh ... CyberNostalgia! I must be getting old :) The list started in September of 1990. The server that died wasn't the University of Buffalo server. I'd left the University of Buffalo, and given over control of the list to a pair of co-moderators: because Ben had a great "resume", while I had what I thought was a good friendship with Billy Barron. And of course, because I was utterly paranoid, and didn't want to leave my beloved list in the hands of just one person without safeguards against catastrophe! :) Anyway, my worst fears were realised. [cue dramatic music] Billy quit/lost his job on a moment's notice, without transfering the subscription list to Ben, and his boss closed down his machine and the BOC-L mail server. I checked back in one day, to find tons of personal mail asking me WHERE THE HELL WAS BOC-L? Imagine 150 panicked BOC-Lers with no BOC/Hawkwind mail, FOR TWO WHOLE DAYS. ;-) Meanwhile, Mike Holmes had announced the Emergency Hawkwind Broadcast System, and was advising people not to panic. But the Hawkwind fans don't trust authority, and the BOCers felt abandoned, so they all panicked anyway. :) So, I quickly grabbed my old copy of the subscription list (the transfer to Billy Barron's machine had only taken place about a month or two previously, so the subscription list hadn't changed that much), and forwarded it to Ben, along with an announcement explaining what had happened. Ben got the list back up and running in record time, and has taken exquisitely good care of it ever since. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Jun 25 19:52:02 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 19:52:02 -0400 Subject: BOC: www.boc.com In-Reply-To: <199606252030.WAA25368@lorien.imaginet.fr> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > >I was surprised to find a very nice graphically oriented web site, check > >it out. You might be in for a surprise... > > *LOL* Know what ? I tried that one too, based on the same logic... very > surprising indeed. Too bad it's *not* what one could expect... :-) Maybe it's just the cultural divide, but I'd heard of BOC [British Oxygen Corporation] long before I ever heard of B\"OC [Blue \"Oyster Cult]... :-) Not surprised, Paul. obCD: Santana, _Lotus_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From BHalli5989 at AOL.COM Tue Jun 25 19:59:38 1996 From: BHalli5989 at AOL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 19:59:38 -0400 Subject: BOC: Buffalo Show 6/23/96 Message-ID: >Hi again !! It's Manuel. Guess what info I want?!?! You guessed right; the name of >the venue, other bands. >Thanks. >God bless... >Manuel "The Pier" Other bands: Rick Emmitt Nazareth Randy Bachman 38 Special From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Tue Jun 25 20:36:14 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 20:36:14 -0400 Subject: BOC : ramble on :-)(was Goldmine) Message-ID: On 96/6/25 T Jackson wrote: >It's tough to get all the angles. Too, 'cause Al is a BOC-L member, >I think we all tend to take his side somewhat. I imagine if he'd >been a choir boy scout, the band would've wanted him to stay along a >bit more. I was a boy scout and an altar boy. I played the organ in church but I never was in the choir. Seriously though as time goes on , I don't really know why I'm not still playing with them myself. Things happen. Life changes and those things work themselves out eventually. I must apologize for going into lurk mode for the past month. I just haven't had time to post to the list. I'm reading most of it although I've had to trash many of the HW threads for time conservation. The new album is coming along nicely. Paul Special won't be able to start the mixing until July 16th and I don't want to start without him. I really want this new record to sound the best ever and with Paul mixing I'm sure it will. I can't really talk about the surprizes we have in store because then it won't be a surprize but we should have it finished by the end of the summer so you won't have to wait too long (mere seconds in 3OC time);-) >From time to time some comments waift through the cybersphere like "boc-al" or "BouchardOC" and I must admit they make me uncomfortable. My perception is that these comments are falsehoods. I mean I love that my work is appreciated by other people. I like hearing about it. I think I'm pretty lucky actually. I don't really mind the occasional criticism I get either. Criticism can be supportive also. What I don't like is other people denigrating the members of this list, where someone from another list has to throw out comments like that to make themselves feel superior. Most people on this list are intelligent, hard working and enthusiastic people. I'm sure there are some who belong to other lists also. I would get aol myself if I didn't hate what it does to my computer. (the last time I tried it it kept crashing my computer). I've been on this list for a couple years. I still enjoy it. I've seen people come and go (what happened to ROBO???). One thing I like is finding out a little bit about my fans as people. If you make it to a Surgeons gig, come up and introduce yourself to me. It's always a kick to see what someone looks like and it's also good to see old friends again. Al From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Jun 25 20:49:39 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:49:39 PDT Subject: OFF: Sequencers, What they are (in a nutshell) In-Reply-To: ; from "Paul Mather" at Jun 25, 96 3:50 pm Message-ID: > > On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Craig Shipley wrote: > > > I keep waiting for the day when a composer walks out on stage, with his > > computer center stage, surrounded by synth modules and announces his latest > > piece of music. He clicks on "PLAY", leaves the stage and lets the hardware > > perform the show. At the end of the concert, he returns, to accept the > > applause and shut the system down. Would you feel cheated? > > I'm sure this has actually been done quite a few times. (Didn't Future > Sounds of London (literally) phone in a gig once, recorded for posterity > on _ISDN_?) > Yes, but this was done as a way of performing "live" in many different locals at once. The idea was to use the ISDN technology to create a global real-time radio performance. I have the CD _ISDN_, but it just dosen't trip my trigger... > Anyway, the story I like is (naturally) the one in which a small ensemble > comissioned a piece of music from Frank Zappa. Unfortunately, the piece > he wrote was too hard for them to play live. Not to worry, he says, I'll > just program up the synclavier and it'll do everything for you. All you > need to do is sit there and pretend to play yer hearts out. Nobody will > notice the difference. Well, that's what they did, and to tumultuous > applause, too. (Nobody seemed to notice their instrument mics weren't > plugged in.) > "While You Were Art" from the JAZZ FROM HELL release. > The question stands: would you feel cheated? :-) > I don't know. If I went to such a performance, knowing full well that the stage presence of the band or performer could be measured in single-digit minutes, I'd be OK with it. But if I went to see a _show_, I'd feel ripped off. Actually, most of the keyboardists are pretty sedentary behind the stacks. Kinda hard to boogie with a Hammond B-3 slung around your neck! :-) (Yes, I've seen Keith Emerson and Rick Wakeman back in the glory days and I am aware of the portable synths, so there are exceptions...) And since TD was mentioned, most of the early performances of the band were done with them in darkness, as there really wasn't much in the way of visual excitement other than them diddling their knobs, uhhh, I meant, stroking their sliders, oops, sorry, piddling with their patchcords, I better stop... >B-> Now, what if you went to the concert described above, and at the end, the performer handed out a computer disk with the performance on it in MIDI format. That would kill the bootlegging real good, eh what? And tweakable to your liking, too! (Don't like that guitar solo, hell, replace it with a kazoo!) > Cheers, > > Paul. > > obCheese: "Studio Artists", "Silver Machine", _Hawkwind Covers All_ > (Is this FoFP's famed "Top of the Pops" version of SM?) > > e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jun 25 22:27:56 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:27:56 -0400 Subject: BOC : ramble on :-)(was Goldmine) Message-ID: Al wrote:: > >the summer so you won't have to wait too long (mere seconds in 3OC time);-) Half-life time? (Seems like half my lifetime.... actually, it's been now ten years (half my life) since the last new boc album.... okay, okay, it's somewhat less than half my life, but who's counting? (35.714% if you are...) >I've been on this list for a couple years. I still enjoy it. I've seen >people come and go (what happened to ROBO???). One thing I like is finding >out a little bit about my fans as people. If you make it to a Surgeons gig, >come up and introduce yourself to me. It's always a kick to see what >someone looks like and it's also good to see old friends again. I don't know what happened to Robo, his page on P* has been languishing with a front page and discarded links the last few times I checked. You're too good for words, Al. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Tue Jun 25 21:34:55 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:34:55 -0400 Subject: What's Progressive? In-Reply-To: <31CFB227.81C@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jun 25, 96 11:32:23 am Message-ID: Christian sez-- > > I always considered progressive music to be music that involves the > listener's participation more than other types of music.... Are you refering to rock, or music in general? I think that Jazz and Classical (and, arguably, various forms of dance music) involve the listener's participation at least as much, or more than, progressive rock. > the kind of > music you can just sit down and listen to, analyse, swish about in your > brain like a fine wine over and over.... Its not a style, but it has a > certain intelligence to it that you don't necessarily find in most > run-of-the mill pop-rock shlock..... Well . . . I don't know. There are certainly examples of prog rock lyrics which are anything but intelligent, and there are examples of extremely thought provoking lyrics in, for example, heavy metal. Is Frank Zappa "prog rock"? > Its not just background music, it > has an added dimension and experimental edge. People tend to think of > prog as being only the pompous ELP and Yes type stuff because of the > quasi-classical influence. I think progressive music is any kind of > music you can sit down and get lost in.... be it classical, jazz, rock, > ambient... whatever. Whoops! Didn't see this when I started my reply. But is this definition useful? obFREEFORM--Thrakattak by King Crimson -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Jun 25 23:47:38 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:47:38 -0400 Subject: BOC : ramble on :-)(was Goldmine) Message-ID: In a message dated 96-06-25 20:31:11 EDT, Al wrote: << I've been on this list for a couple years. I still enjoy it. I've seen people come and go (what happened to ROBO???). >> ROBO is alive and well. He recently recorded a demo tape for fun! He's still on AOL, but mostly in lurk mode. My understanding is that he's no longer on BOC-L. R. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jun 26 01:20:28 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 00:20:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: More list history trivia... In-Reply-To: <199606252301.TAA29563@phantom.mindvox.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Stephen Swann wrote: > The server that died wasn't the University of Buffalo server. I'd > left the University of Buffalo, and given over control of the list to > a pair of co-moderators: because Ben had a great "resume", while I > had what I thought was a good friendship with Billy Barron. And of > course, because I was utterly paranoid, and didn't want to leave my > beloved list in the hands of just one person without safeguards > against catastrophe! :) Hey! I didn't know Billy Barron was on this list! (Actually I did, but you just reminded me, and Hey! I didn't know Billy was that involved with the list!) He is (was?) the head sys-admin of utdallas.edu who has a link to a HW page of sorts. Hard to believe that there is more than one person at UTD who has been on this list at one time or another. There is only one other person at UTD who even knows who Hawkwind is (besides those who know merely that which I have mentioned and then say "Whatever"), and he can barely write a decent complete sentence, much less have any sort of meaningful communication on the internet (besides with his net GF, who apparently can't write a decent e-mail either... I know, I'm just picky about grammar/punctuation). > Anyway, my worst fears were realised. [cue dramatic music] Billy > quit/lost his job on a moment's notice, without transfering the > subscription list to Ben, and his boss closed down his machine and the > BOC-L mail server. I think I remember this... when exactly did it happen? If it happened anytime after fall '92 I certainly remember some of what was going on... basically the U.T. System was cracking down on extra-curricular usage of U.T. students' internet accounts. It seems that there is an "understood" obligation of any person with a U.T. internet account to use it solely for academically-related purposes, since, after all, the account is paid for by student fees. Therefore, the authorities cracked down on anything on the UTD server that was "just for fun". That may be why Billy temporarily lost his job at UTD - because he, the sys-admin, had BOC-L here at UTD. Then again, I may be mistaken. :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers P.S.: Apparently authorities aren't as strict about the policy as they were during "the incident". From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 26 01:34:59 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 01:34:59 -0400 Subject: Goldmine online Message-ID: For those who still couldn't get the goldmine article, or were thinking about typing it in for quick reference like the FAQ, you can get it at goldmine online: http://www.krause.com/goldmine/is_414/cvrstry/cvrstry.htm though it's only the first half of the article, i.e, the prehistory (IMHO by far the most thorough section), with all the pics from the article through that point. Of course, the text is in html, and copyright by goldmine, so I wouldn't go putting this in the .ftp archives... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jun 26 01:39:51 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 00:39:51 -0500 Subject: Which HW records to hide from unbelievers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > (someone else wrote): > > > What a pair of silly bunts! > > But the brap, you bunch of boneheads. This is BOB-L, not a > > playground. If you ban't stay on topib, we'll have to get Ben Bohen > > to banbel your abbess. > Haven't we killed the religious discussion? Banbeling abbess? > Why, you blasphemous so-and-so ..... Well, you have to admit that *does* kind of look like speaking in tongues. :) Damon Bapehart | "I think we should eliminate semibolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous boworkers From cando at INDIRECT.COM Wed Jun 26 01:51:06 1996 From: cando at INDIRECT.COM (James Coburn) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:51:06 -0700 Subject: "Re: Stirring up trouble...." and "in this corner, Sir Albert" Message-ID: Well said, John, Theo, Jack. Had some good chuckles. James Coburn Albuquerque, NM (4 blocks south of Manuel's "Parrish Library") and John, glad you could get a "night out" so you could then write your tBS gig review. Thanks. From Niko.Makila at CSC.FI Wed Jun 26 01:50:25 1996 From: Niko.Makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:50:25 +0300 Subject: OFF: More list history trivia... In-Reply-To: "Your message of Tue, 25 Jun 1996 19:01:54 EDT." <199606252301.TAA29563@phantom.mindvox.com> Message-ID: Steve's message dated: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 19:01:54 EDT > > Just at a guess, I think we still have about 2/3 of the people who > signed on within a week of the creation of this list. I can't > remember who was the first person to sign on, but several people > showed up within a few hours after I posted the announcement. I > suspect Stu Hungerford of being the first, or possibly Paul Mather. Hmm... on another Tuesday (26 May 92 19:41:37 CDT, to be exact) you wrote: > The people who are still here after all this time joined in this order: > > Stu, Niko, Pell, Lester, Jawaid, Ben, Sami, m@, scorch... So you got that right! Yes, the weird bunch of BOC-L people have weird archives... //niko ObCD: Miles Davis, _Sketches of Spain_ From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jun 26 01:38:01 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:38:01 +1100 Subject: HW: Choose Your Masques vinyl 4 sale Message-ID: Here's an item tgood to pass up! Any takers should mail Tim direct with your best offer! Paul/Sonique ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:16:10 +1000 (EST) To: paul at pcmicro.com.au From: Tim Gadd Subject: Re: Tapes It's a copy of Choose Your Masques (promo), autographed by Dave, Harvey, Huw and Martin. Mint to near mint (hasn't been played). Any ideas? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Jun 26 08:39:29 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:39:29 BST Subject: HW: Questions for Dave In-Reply-To: Damon C Capehart's message of Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:05:09 -0500 Message-ID: > A question for Dave (BERRY!): > Did you actually send these excellent questions via the form on the WWW? Not yet. I'll do so when I'm next in the office (I don't have Web access when I'm working at home). This probably means Monday. If anyone else wants to submit them, feel free. I think a couple of them are covered by better suggestions from other people. Dave. From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Jun 26 03:58:04 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:58:04 +0100 Subject: BOC: www.boc.com In-Reply-To: <199606251829.OAA21807@phantom.mindvox.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Stephen Swann wrote: > > I think I may have found a bit of insight from their web page: > > BOC Gases' products are used in a wide variety of traditional and > innovative processes. Our gas and equipment solutions to our > customers' needs revolve around one or more of three basic > classifications: > > Inertness > Reactivity > Coldness > > > :-) I was recently caught out when someone on the radio referred to the BOC festival at Covent Garden. WHHAAAAT? I thought, then realised that this was a sponsorship deal by the British Oxygen Corporation. Ah well..... Dave From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Jun 26 05:37:26 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:37:26 +0200 Subject: HW: Covers All - Top of the Pops Message-ID: >> obCheese: "Studio Artists", "Silver Machine", _Hawkwind Covers All_ >> (Is this FoFP's famed "Top of the Pops" version of SM?) yup, there was three versions of this contibuted to the project - one was with "Lambs & Wolves" - 7" France, b/w cover of A.Cooper's "Schools Out" - one was from another "studio artists album" (also /w Schools Out), and the third was the "Top of the Pops" one. all three was identical. >> e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. \\joe From gporter at FURBALL.HAYES.COM Wed Jun 26 06:05:43 1996 From: gporter at FURBALL.HAYES.COM (Grant L. Porter) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 06:05:43 -0400 Subject: BOC: Spectres cover and Metallica Message-ID: > Does anyone else think the back of the CD booklet for the new >Metallica album is remeniscent of the _Spectres_ cover? Minus the lasers, >obviously. But the table, the candles, even the color tones evoke it >for me. It all reminds me of that "Dogs Playing Poker" thing... At least BOC's hair is long. -Grant Grant Porter is: gporter at furball.hayes.com or gporter at hayes.com Ferrets and more seen at: http://furball.hayes.com/ Opinions are: completely derived from listening to rock music. "In Times Square now, people do the the polka." From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Wed Jun 26 08:19:42 1996 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:19:42 GMT Subject: HW: Choose Your Masques vinyl 4 sale Message-ID: It's a copy of Choose Your Masques (promo), autographed by Dave, Harvey, Huw and Martin. Mint to near mint (hasn't been played). Any ideas? If that's really exists, it's a double collector's item due to the rarity of CyM records in mint condition and to the autographs for sure... Price would be...without equivalent...but I wouldn't let such an offer pass! Olivier From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jun 26 07:22:27 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:22:27 +0200 Subject: What's Progressive? Message-ID: >Yours truly wrote: > I think progressive music is any kind of > > music you can sit down and get lost in.... be it classical, jazz, rock, > > ambient... whatever. > And Guido replied: > Whoops! Didn't see this when I started my reply. But is this definition > useful? > Well, isn't all inventive or original art "progressive"? In the context of rock music I'd say it narrows down the genre a bit, while at the same time including most forms of rock.... I don't think one should limit the definition to the typical 70s prog-stuff..... just because something is symfo or whatever doesen't mean its progressive unless it invents/incorporates new ideas to the form (that of course, includes all artforms). Yes, I consider Zappa progressive. I consider Jimi Hendrix, Velvet Underground, Devo or Kraftwerk progressive. I even consider early Pavement or Sonic Youth or Loaded-era Primal Scream progressive..... bands that fit under the much dreaded "alternative" umbrella-label in the public mind. A rock band can be stylistically copying other progressive rock elements without truly being progressive. Arguably Marillion is a prime example of this, being as stylistically prog as early Genesis or whatever. The late 60s/70s just happened to be an era when rock music was incorporating alot of alien elements to their sound, partially because of technology, cross-cultural influences and drugs. I consider Hawkwind progressive, despite their (I'm no musician, so I may be wrong on this one) musical simplicity. Personally I loathe Yes and their pretensious ilk, no matter how incredibly complex the song structures or musicianship may be, but that's just a matter of taste on my part, however, the complexity, inventiveness and classical influences make them progressive by definition. They just bore the hell out of me. And when I'm truly bored I'll crank up the Cosmic Psychos or the Meat Men. Christian From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 26 07:34:10 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:34:10 +0100 Subject: NetHawks T-Shirts In-Reply-To: <199606251150.MAA06437@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: Reply to bart about Re: NetHawks T-Shirts >> Are these Nethawk T-shirts still available, and from who ? >I think all shirts of both designs have been sold by now. Can't recall who >organised either production. >I still have the original artwork (acrylic on paper) for the pan-BOC-l >design (radio wave Hawks/stonehenge/me-262) >There's a couple of t-shirt printers in town I could check out if there >was sufficient interest (maybe get different colours than black). I'd be interested in one if you did decide to do it. Is this design the same as the one on the Web page? I assume so. I remember seeing this for the first time and thinking it was really good. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk "A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window" From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jun 26 07:37:30 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:37:30 +0200 Subject: What's Progressive? Message-ID: An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Christian Mumford Subject: Re: What's Progressive? Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:22:27 +0200 Size: 2388 URL: From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 26 07:34:06 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:34:06 +0100 Subject: What's Progressive? In-Reply-To: <31CFB227.81C@eunet.no> Message-ID: Reply to Christian Mumford about What's Progressive? >I always considered progressive music to be music that involves the >listener's participation more than other types of music.... the kind of >music you can just sit down and listen to, analyse, swish about in your >brain like a fine wine over and over.... Its not a style, but it has a >certain intelligence to it that you don't necessarily find in most >run-of-the mill pop-rock shlock..... Its not just background music, it >has an added dimension and experimental edge. People tend to think of >prog as being only the pompous ELP and Yes type stuff because of the >quasi-classical influence. I think progressive music is any kind of >music you can sit down and get lost in.... be it classical, jazz, rock, >ambient... whatever. I think that IMHO this is the best discription of the genre I have ever heard. I agree that Progressive music is not just about the ELP's and Yes' of this world. Under this difinition, both BOC and HW are progressive. Its more then just long songs and time changes. It's the lyrics and the dynamics of the music. I'm not big on studying lyrics but I like my music to be interesting in it's self. When I get a new album I normally sit down and listen to it with the lyrics in front of me. I find that you appriciate it more like that and take more in on the first listen (weather you understand the lyrics or not). Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk "A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window" From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 26 07:42:11 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:42:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: More list history trivia... In-Reply-To: <199606252301.TAA29563@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jun 25, 96 07:01:54 pm Message-ID: > > I think when I joined (spring '92?) the list was still on > > Steve's machine in Buffalo ... ah, remember when the server died and > > FoFP set up the temporary "Hawkwind List" out of castle at edinburgh? > > Ahhhh ... CyberNostalgia! I must be getting old :) > > The server that died wasn't the University of Buffalo server. Yeah, I knew it was after the move from Buffalo, but I couldn't remember the circumstances. Now it all comes flooding back ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 26 07:51:09 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:51:09 +0100 Subject: BOC : ramble on :-)(was Goldmine) In-Reply-To: <199606260227.WAA02188@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Jun 25, 96 10:27:56 pm Message-ID: > >the summer so you won't have to wait too long (mere seconds in 3OC time);-) > >Half-life time? (Seems like half my lifetime.... actually, it's been now >ten years >(half my life) since the last new boc album.... okay, okay, it's somewhat less >than half my life, but who's counting? (35.714% if you are...) Are we counting Imaginos as the last album full of original material or at least novel arrangements by BOC? That's what, 1988, so 8 years. Or a third of my life. Now if we go back to Club Ninja, (uhh...'86?) that's up to 41.something %. If we go back to the last album to have both Bouchards for the whole album, (FoUO, '82) we've gone to far and make it to 58.something % ... That's enough math for this year, I think ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 26 08:01:40 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:01:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: R thompson In-Reply-To: <3C1149C5CC9@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr." at Jun 25, 96 08:20:44 am Message-ID: > Whoa! Carl, can you supply any details for the Thompson list? I'm a > huge fan of his, and would definitely want to subscribe. For those out there into "Thommo" here's the list info: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe to r-thompson-digest, send the command: subscribe r-thompson-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo at listserver.NJIT.edu". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-r-thompson": subscribe r-thompson-digest local-r-thompson at your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "r-thompson-digest" in the commands above with "r-thompson". --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 26 08:05:08 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:05:08 +0100 Subject: BOC : ramble on :-)(was Goldmine) In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Jun 25, 96 08:36:14 pm Message-ID: > I must apologize for going into lurk mode for the past month. I just > haven't had time to post to the list. I'm reading most of it although I've > had to trash many of the HW threads for time conservation. Now that's dedication! I miss a couple of days and I trash lot, pretty much! ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jun 26 08:07:39 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:07:39 +0100 Subject: NetHawks T-Shirts In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:34:10 BST." <748.6385T717T2279@vossnet.co.uk> Message-ID: > >There's a couple of t-shirt printers in town I could check out if there > >was sufficient interest (maybe get different colours than black). > > I'd be interested in one if you did decide to do it. Is this design the same > as the one on the Web page? I assume so. I remember seeing this for the first > time and thinking it was really good. Weren't most of the various designs used for the inserts of the Hawkwind Tape Covers Project ? I'll be contacting my lawyers shortly regarding breach of copyright. I'm sure we'll find the art is correctly attributed ??? Tim Oh yeah ... :-) :-) ObAheadofOurTime: Wired Magazine April 96: " Tired : Favourite Band T-shirts Wired : Favourite Mailing List T-shirts " From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Jun 26 07:09:16 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 07:09:16 -0400 Subject: What's Progressive? In-Reply-To: <31D11D73.4CE1@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jun 26, 96 01:22:27 pm Message-ID: Christian sez-- > > >Yours truly wrote: > > I think progressive music is any kind of > > > music you can sit down and get lost in.... be it classical, jazz, rock, > > > ambient... whatever. > > And Guido replied: > > Whoops! Didn't see this when I started my reply. But is this definition > > useful? > > Well, isn't all inventive or original art "progressive"? In the context > of rock music I'd say it narrows down the genre a bit, while at the same > time including most forms of rock.... Then I think this is a bit more of a very general description than a useful category. I mean, if a record store put all the inventive and original stuff on the "progressive" shelves, where's the rest go? To the "derivative drivel" shelves? :-) Categorizing music is a difficult operation I guess, but there MUST be some good alternatives to (IMHO) useless categories like "progressive rock", "world music", and "new age". :-P So how do we categorize a monstrosity like Hawkwind? Are they heavy metal? Are they psychedelia? New wave? Industrial? Alternative? Ambient? Electronic? Progressive rock? Let's face it, musical categories suck. :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Wed Jun 26 08:19:16 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:19:16 +0100 Subject: BOC : ramble on :-)(was Goldmine) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > Are we counting Imaginos as the last album full of original material > or at least novel arrangements by BOC? That's what, 1988, so 8 years. > Or a third of my life. Oh dear, it's only a sixth of mine... - Mike Godwin "Spent ten years, half my life, just getting ready, then it was time.." From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 26 08:22:57 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:22:57 -0400 Subject: BOC : ramble on :-)(was Goldmine) Message-ID: >>Half-life time? (Seems like half my lifetime.... actually, it's been now >>ten years >>(half my life) since the last new boc album.... okay, okay, it's somewhat less >>than half my life, but who's counting? (35.714% if you are...) > > Are we counting Imaginos as the last album full of original material >or at least novel arrangements by BOC? That's what, 1988, so 8 years. >Or a third of my life. > Now if we go back to Club Ninja, (uhh...'86?) that's up to Club Ninja, so when speaking of waiting we can say "I spent ten years..." +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Wed Jun 26 08:34:38 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:34:38 +0100 Subject: What's Progressive? Message-ID: Guido opined: > Let's face it, musical categories suck. :-) So do vacuum cleaners but where would we be without 'em? Progressive is as useful a definition as any other, I mean what is *alternative* an alternative to? Is all country music made amongst fields and mountains? Is *house* really music? Progressive, or prog, is just a label for music made or influenced by a number of bands from the '70s. We all know it when we hear it even though all of the bands sound different! Maybe that's the problem - it's not as simple as identifying, say, heavy metal. If you want a term to describe modern music that's different to anything that went before but builds upon rock and roll history then invent one. Frankly that's a more useful activity than rehashing the *what is prog* debate. Chris From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 26 13:36:25 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:36:25 BST Subject: OFF: More list history trivia... In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Tue, 25 Jun 1996 19:01:54 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes helpfully: > The list started in September of 1990. > > The server that died wasn't the University of Buffalo server. I'd > left the University of Buffalo, and given over control of the list to > a pair of co-moderators: because Ben had a great "resume", while I > had what I thought was a good friendship with Billy Barron. And of > course, because I was utterly paranoid, and didn't want to leave my > beloved list in the hands of just one person without safeguards > against catastrophe! :) > > Anyway, my worst fears were realised. [cue dramatic music] Billy > quit/lost his job on a moment's notice, without transfering the > subscription list to Ben, and his boss closed down his machine and the > BOC-L mail server. I checked back in one day, to find tons of > personal mail asking me WHERE THE HELL WAS BOC-L? Imagine 150 > panicked BOC-Lers with no BOC/Hawkwind mail, FOR TWO WHOLE DAYS. ;-) > > Meanwhile, Mike Holmes had announced the Emergency Hawkwind Broadcast > System, and was advising people not to panic. But the Hawkwind fans > don't trust authority, and the BOCers felt abandoned, so they all > panicked anyway. :) > Ah memories - I had more or less just joined the list and was still feeling my way around email not to mention the University mainframe system and suddenly everything was cut off! *Then* I got paranoid - and I guess I've never really recovered since. One problem nags me though - I'm sure I remember the name of Bob Netherton in connection with this - tho' I could be wrong. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jun 26 09:12:20 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:12:20 +0200 Subject: What's Progressive? Message-ID: Guido Vacano wrote: > > Christian sez-- > > > > >Yours truly wrote:In the context > > of rock music I'd say it narrows down the genre a bit, while at the same > > time including most forms of rock.... > > and Guido replied ferociously: > Then I think this is a bit more of a very general description than a > useful category. I mean, if a record store put all the inventive and > original stuff on the "progressive" shelves, where's the rest go? To the > "derivative drivel" shelves? :-) That'd be great! Toss in the Barry Manilows, Michael Boltons, Phil Collinses and Bon Jovis and keep them out of sight of intelligent people....:-) > > Categorizing music is a difficult operation I guess, but there MUST be > some good alternatives to (IMHO) useless categories like "progressive > rock", "world music", and "new age". :-P > Record stores shouldn't categorize music other than alphabetically.... with the exception of rough divisions like classical, rock, jazz, (maybe) dance, and folk/country ,and, perhaps "world music" (including New Age).... all rock, despite outside influences, crossbreeding or subgenres should be firmly placed in the rock category. And the other categories (with a little bit of musical knowledge, judgement and common sense...) should be placed in their respective categories....... After all, classical, rock, jazz and folk (including blues & country) are far more tangible categories than sub-categories like "progressive" or "punk" or "alternative" or whatever...... > So how do we categorize a monstrosity like Hawkwind? Are they heavy > metal? Are they psychedelia? New wave? Industrial? Alternative? Ambient? > Electronic? Progressive rock? All of the above! Hawkwind are probably the most diverse band in existence!! But for the sake of simplicity, file under "rock". > Let's face it, musical categories suck. :-) Yeah they do, because I feel like an jackass when somebody asks me what kind of music I like, and, when being unable to express myself within their limited range of tastes in one coherent sentence (pretentious? moi?:-) I end up blurting out something like : "uh... well, all kinds of stuff, really, y'know... alot of like obscure psychedelic 60s and 70s stuff mostly..." and they immediatly reply something like:"Oh, yeah, Dark Side of the Moon is my favorite Moody Blues album!", or "Oh, like the Beatles and stuff?" or "You boring old fart. I only listen to techno and industrial!". If I simply say "Hawkwind" they go "Hawkawhat?", and trying to explain Hawkwind is like trying to ski through a revolving door. Ah, if only they knew!!! Christian "There is a land not far from the ears of sound, the eyes of sight can see, it's over that tree, you'll be there by tomorrow's breeze..." -Donovan From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jun 26 09:24:43 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:24:43 -0400 Subject: in this corner...Albert Message-ID: Carl sez: > Another album or so from tBS and we'll be due a live one, I think! :) ;) I agree -- I'll be last Saturday's performance in Boston would make a mighty fine live album. Including Deb's "discussion" with a rather large woman in the crowd (something to the effect of "Where's Alice? I'll put you in chains - c'mon honey, you and me" - o.k., ya had to be there...). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jun 26 09:27:53 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:27:53 -0400 Subject: BOC: Spectres cover and Metallica Message-ID: Haven't seen the back of the CD booklet for the new Metallica album. Then again, perhaps we could draw some parallels with the *cover* of the new album with the cover of *Mirrors*. As you may know, the artwork on *Mirrors* includes some sperm cells painted into the clouds (look for them, especially if you got the vinyl - they're there) -- and as you may have heard, the cover on Metallica's *Load* is a picture of blood mixed with semen. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 26 10:38:27 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:38:27 EST Subject: BOC: Buffalo Show 6/23/96 Message-ID: > >Hi again !! It's Manuel. Guess what info I want?!?! You guessed right; > the name of >the venue, other bands. > > >Thanks. > > >God bless... > > >Manuel > > "The Pier" > > Other bands: > Rick Emmitt > Nazareth > Randy Bachman > 38 Special Sounds like a bitchin' show, if Naz and Bachman had cancelled! Rik Emmett's an amazing player. I caught 38 spec. at a club last year, and they blew the place away. the From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jun 26 10:00:03 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:00:03 -0400 Subject: OFF: More list history trivia... In-Reply-To: <9606261336.aa26143@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Jill wrote: [The "two moderators" gambit deleted.] > One problem nags me though - I'm sure I remember the name of Bob > Netherton in connection with this - tho' I could be wrong. I think my memory is going, too. I have the distinct recollection that Steve handed over the list to "the two Bens"---though I don't remember the surname of the "other" Ben (the one who lost his job abruptly and thereby precipitated the entire fracas). Cheers, Paul. obFreeCD: Various, _Monitor This: The Record Exchange Music Sampler_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Wed Jun 26 10:22:34 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:22:34 -0400 Subject: ROBODUDE Message-ID: Hey, all. I forwarded the messages to ROBO. He was tickled that Albert asked about him! He asked me to let BOC-L know that the Underbelly Online has a new address. http://pages.prodigy.com/bocult He also said that he's working on a new demo! (Watch out, Al...) R. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jun 26 10:25:16 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:25:16 -0400 Subject: OFF: Finding music In-Reply-To: <31D13734.7E49@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > Record stores shouldn't categorize music other than alphabetically.... > with the exception of rough divisions like classical, rock, jazz, > (maybe) dance, and folk/country ,and, perhaps "world music" (including > New Age).... all rock, despite outside influences, crossbreeding or > subgenres should be firmly placed in the rock category. And the other > categories (with a little bit of musical knowledge, judgement and > common sense...) should be placed in their respective categories....... > After all, classical, rock, jazz and folk (including blues & country) > are far more tangible categories than sub-categories like "progressive" > or "punk" or "alternative" or whatever...... Heck, IMHO, I say dump *everything* together and categorise it alphabetically. It would make *my* life a lot easier, at any rate. For example, a while ago I thought my local shop had removed their "Hawkwind" divider from the "Rock" section of the shelves (where it had been). Boo, hoo, I thought, until, a couple of visits later, I discovered it had simply been moved to the "Garage, Surf 'n' Psychedelia" section (wherein I was looking for some Bevis Frond). In a similar vein, I always have to check the "Jazz", "New Age", and "World Music" sections when looking for stuff by Shankar, just to be sure (since his stuff appears to be randomly filed amongst those three areas). Filing everything together, alphabetically, would also (IMHO) increase the chance of someone stumbling across something interesting, and thereby increasing their musical horizons (and the record shop's sales). I know this happens to me quite often in the used bins (there it is even better, as they have a "new arrivals" section, which I always scan, almost religiously, actually:). For example, recently I happened upon a CD entitled _Hallucination Engine_ by Material, which caught my eye because of the title and the cover. Upon further investigation, however, I discovered---to my delectation---one of the contributors was me ol' china, Shankar (plus other Shakti alumni), and so into the ol' shopping basket it went (after a quick in-store listen). Actually, alphabetical + "New Arrivals" sections for each letter of the alphabet would be great for the regular releases, too. It would mean more filing work for the staff, but, heck, whatever happened to the old adage about the customer always being right? ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: _Dave Brock and the Agents of Chaos_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jun 26 11:00:50 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:00:50 -0400 Subject: AB on BOC-L vs. AOL Message-ID: Former active listmember (now lurker in digest mode) Adrian Brevard asked me to post some of his thoughts on the recent BOC-L vs. AOL discussion. I think it may be a moot point since it would appear that most have already taken his advice anyway (including a few listmembers reminding me to chill out - which I appreciate). It does not appear to me that we are about to get into another major debate about the 2 groups (a good thing, since we really are all on the same side when you think about it). Anyways, his thoughts follow. John <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen: Please do not get caught up in the AOL v. BOC-L dispute of for that matter tBS v. 3OC. These are all fruitless arguments. Both lists provide useful information, intelligent dialog (well sometimes) and basically a forum for people to lay out their opinions. AOL has Buck & Eric and BOC-L has Al. Both are great lists for what they do, however they differ from each other to the point that comparisons are moot. As for tBS and 3OC I doubt that either of these groups really cares what the other is doing. Whether or not they sincerely wish the other well or harm is immaterial to the inhabitants of both services and a private matter. I+m sure Al+s decision to form tBS was motivated solely by his desire to create an outlet for his talents, no hidden agenda. 3OC decision to sign with a German record company is simply a business decision and nothing more. I cannot fathom any other possible, logical reason that could suggest otherwise. Let this one die a quiet death people there are much worthier topics to be discussed. Such as tBS new CD, goading Albert into doing a live one (how about it big guy?) Hawkwind+s tour and countless other things which make the digest too large to for my mail system to display everything. Glad to hear Robo is alive and well. Peace folks. AB From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jun 26 11:30:39 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:30:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: More list history trivia... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:00:03 EDT." Message-ID: On the great Collapsing Wrung Incident of boc-l ... > > One problem nags me though - I'm sure I remember the name of Bob > > Netherton in connection with this - tho' I could be wrong. > > I think my memory is going, too. I have the distinct recollection that > Steve handed over the list to "the two Bens"---though I don't remember > the surname of the "other" Ben (the one who lost his job abruptly and > thereby precipitated the entire fracas). Nah, it was definitely Bob & Ben. I drifted around in limbo for a couple of days, sent some mail to FoFP, and a day or so later got that "Attention, this is your captain speaking " multicast mail. Its probably archived for posterity *somewhere* round here. Tim From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Jun 26 11:43:51 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:43:51 -0400 Subject: BOC : ramble on :-)(was Goldmine) Message-ID: There were NO arrangements, novel or otherwise, by BOC on Imaginos. The few parts that Eric and Donald overdubbed went in the same places created for lead vocals or lead guitar by Albert, who arranged all of the material on that album, and directed most of the musical performances (with the exception of the odd leads performed by people like Satriani) that actually appeared on the album. The album was MIXED by an engineer hired by Pearlman, and "BOC"s (sic) input in that process was minimal. From stayer at PI.NET Wed Jun 26 02:00:46 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:00:46 PDT Subject: HW: HW/Ozrics Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: >I know this is going to be an oft asked question but what does >"progressive" actually mean? I would use it in context meaning >progressing further into new musical areas. and: >Or is Progressive, this 70's IQ, Genesis, Marillion thing still? I prefer your second statement. In Dutch there's a different meaning to the term 'symphonic rock', which we use for bands like 70's Genesis, early Marillion and so. The 'symphonic' part refers to the use of instruments and major role for melody. We use 'progressive' for music that shows progression, related to either the other parts in the same musical piece, or related to the rest of the musical era. Genesis were progressive on their first couple of albums. Their Wind And Wuthering album was less progressive, and more symphonic. A band like Nektar, and with them a lot of other krautrock bands, were really progressive, without necessarily being symphonic. But still, many people refer to early Genesis or early Marillion when they talk about progressive. So why confuse them? :-) Jerry, (now listening to: Genesis - Tower Theatre, Philadelphia PA, 1974-03-03) From stayer at PI.NET Wed Jun 26 02:29:12 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:29:12 PDT Subject: NetHawks T-Shirts Message-ID: >>> Are these Nethawk T-shirts still available, and from who ? >>I still have the original artwork (acrylic on paper) for the pan-BOC-l >>design (radio wave Hawks/stonehenge/me-262) >>There's a couple of t-shirt printers in town I could check out if there >>was sufficient interest (maybe get different colours than black). I'd like one, yes! Jerry From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Jun 26 12:03:17 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:03:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: More list history trivia... In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jun 26, 96 10:00:03 am Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > Jill wrote: > > [The "two moderators" gambit deleted.] > > > One problem nags me though - I'm sure I remember the name of Bob > > Netherton in connection with this - tho' I could be wrong. > > I think my memory is going, too. I have the distinct recollection that > Steve handed over the list to "the two Bens"---though I don't remember > the surname of the "other" Ben (the one who lost his job abruptly and > thereby precipitated the entire fracas). Actually, I think Jill's right. It wasn't Billy and Ben, it was Bob'n'Ben. Erk. Memory is, what, the second thing to go? :-} Hmmmm. Now it's bugging me. How did Billy fit into the picture? Maybe he was the guy who told me what had happened to the list... (only one person actually knew the story, everyone else was just confused about where the list had gone.) I don't suppose anybody actually archived any posts from this era? :-) Steve swann at panix.com From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jun 26 12:25:21 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:25:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: boc-l history trivia archive (For misty-eyed folks only) Message-ID: This was Ben's return to serenity and normality message after the rift. Tim ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: BEN%SPCVXA.earn at earn-relay.ac.uk X-Envelope-To: bart at muppet.bt.co.uk X-Vms-To: IN%"boc-l at spcvxa.spc.edu" X-Vms-Cc: BEN Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Phone: (201) 451-5959 X-Favorite-Comic: Cerebus Content-Length: 2445 X-Lines: 48 Status: RO ... As most of you saw from my previous message, Bob Netherton is no longer with ericsson. Consequently, the list as it existed at has gone away, never to be resurrected. Contrary to popular belief, I had spent the past week attempting to determine whether Bob had fallen off the face of the planet, been hit by a truck, struck by lightning, or turned into a petunia. As it turns out, a combination of political problems and a much better offer involving more money and a company car convinced him to leave for greener pastures. I appreciate FoFP's efforts to resurrect the list, but, as the Sole Survivor of what could best be termed "The BOC-L Co-Moderator Incident", I am in control. [Shades of Al Haig and Rush, eh?] The new list address is: boc-l at spcvxa.spc.edu The new request address is: boc-request at spcvxa.spc.edu If you have easier access to BITNET than to standard Internet, just replace the .spc.edu with .BITNET and you should be good to go. The only change that you should be seeing is that mail is going to be coming from a different address. Unfortunately, due to the restrictions of the VMS Mail software, I am currently unable to restrict postings to subscribers only. This shouldn't affect you, however. In the future, I may move the list to a Unix machine where I can set up such a mailing list, but, if I do so, I will leave forwarding addresses in place so there's no such disruption of service in the future. On a separate, but related note, does anyone have a recent copy of the archives? Steve deleted his on-line version and I need to wait for a response from someone at ericsson before finding out if I can get Bob's old copy. On a completely separate note, I will be on vacation from June 26 through July 5. This should leave mail flowing with no problems, but will force subscription and unsubscription to wait until I return. Again, my humble apologies for the recent problems, but we should (hopefully) be back on an even keel. The machine that we will now be on has been in place for about 6 years and the systems manager has been around for even longer with no immediate plans to leave. We should be safe so long as I'm not hit by a falling petunia on vacation. ["Oh no, not again..."] :-) Your new Sole Surviving Humble Moderator, (YnSSHM) Ben Cohen PS. Anyone know who maintains the canonical list of musical mailing lists? ------- End of Forwarded Message From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Wed Jun 26 09:23:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:23:00 -0400 Subject: NetHawks T-Shirts Message-ID: > >>>> Are these Nethawk T-shirts still available, and from who ? > >>>I still have the original artwork (acrylic on paper) for the pan-BOC-l >>>design (radio wave Hawks/stonehenge/me-262) >>>There's a couple of t-shirt printers in town I could check out if there >>>was sufficient interest (maybe get different colours than black). > >I'd like one, yes! As would I! > >Jerry > Chris From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Jun 26 12:41:35 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:41:35 PDT Subject: OFF: More list history trivia... In-Reply-To: <199606261603.MAA21799@phantom.mindvox.com>; from "Stephen Swann" at Jun 26, 96 12:03 pm Message-ID: 'Nother ol fart remembers the good ol' daze... > > Paul Mather writes: > > > > Jill wrote: > > > > [The "two moderators" gambit deleted.] > > > > > One problem nags me though - I'm sure I remember the name of Bob > > > Netherton in connection with this - tho' I could be wrong. > > > > I think my memory is going, too. I have the distinct recollection that > > Steve handed over the list to "the two Bens"---though I don't remember > > the surname of the "other" Ben (the one who lost his job abruptly and > > thereby precipitated the entire fracas). > > Actually, I think Jill's right. It wasn't Billy and Ben, it was > Bob'n'Ben. > Has to be Bob, this Billy dude is totally unknown to me (but then, I'm hittin' the big 4-0 in four days, so maybe I forgot his presence, NOT!). Steve was the first, Bob took over when he was at Ericsson and the list entered deep space when Mr. Netherton changed employers (no malice was intended by Bob, I think he was shown the door immediatly upon announcing his change of employers. I still talk to Bob on occasion, he's well). Ben has been the man since then... > Erk. Memory is, what, the second thing to go? :-} > Third or fourth for me, after hair, eyes and me boyish figure... > Hmmmm. Now it's bugging me. How did Billy fit into the picture? > Maybe he was the guy who told me what had happened to the list... > (only one person actually knew the story, everyone else was just > confused about where the list had gone.) Gotta be the guy that briefed you... > > I don't suppose anybody actually archived any posts from this era? :-) > > Steve > swann at panix.com > Actually, I think I have a bunch of them from my first few posts on, buried away on one of these systems (is it the one in Atlanta, or DC or San Jose, which one????) I can try an dig up a few if anyone is _really_ interested... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From BLAUCHNO at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Wed Jun 26 12:57:20 1996 From: BLAUCHNO at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:57:20 -0600 Subject: OFF: boc-l history trivia -Reply Message-ID: >>> bart 06/26/96 10:25am >>> This was Ben's return to serenity and normality message after the rift. Your new Sole Surviving Humble Moderator, (YnSSHM) ^^^^^^^^^^ Ben Cohen >>>>>>>> Sheesh, I've been trying to figure that one (YnSSHM) out for almost 2 years now. Guess I should have asked someone who's been on the list "hundreds of years before the dawn of history". I won't tell you some of the ones I came up with ;). BTW, I'd be lost w/o Ben. Thanks tons for continuing good work. Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 26 18:29:33 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:29:33 BST Subject: OFF: Sequencers, What they are (in a nutshell) In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:50:51 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > obCheese: "Studio Artists", "Silver Machine", _Hawkwind Covers All_ > (Is this FoFP's famed "Top of the Pops" version of SM?) I'm afraid so. Grim isn't it? FoFP From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Jun 26 12:45:59 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:45:59 -0400 Subject: OFF: More list history trivia... In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jun 26, 96 10:00:03 am Message-ID: Paul sez-- > > One problem nags me though - I'm sure I remember the name of Bob > > Netherton in connection with this - tho' I could be wrong. > > I think my memory is going, too. I have the distinct recollection that > Steve handed over the list to "the two Bens"---though I don't remember > the surname of the "other" Ben (the one who lost his job abruptly and > thereby precipitated the entire fracas). Bob Netherton (I think that's correct--it's been a while) was on the list for a fair bit, and he was going to co-moderate boc-l on a computer at his job, with (I think) Ben. He vanished. :-) We then discovered later that he had moved on to "greener pastures", and he did not have facilities to host the list. I don't think he ever resubscribed to boc-l. I think that's when Mike Holmes ran the list for a while. Guido "My memory's not bad . . . it's just short" Vacano -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 26 13:53:31 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:53:31 +0100 Subject: BOC : ramble on :-)(was Goldmine) In-Reply-To: <960626114350_340191166@emout18.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Jun 26, 96 11:43:51 am Message-ID: > There were NO arrangements, novel or otherwise, by BOC on Imaginos. The few > parts that Eric and Donald overdubbed went in the same places created for > lead vocals or lead guitar by Albert, who arranged all of the material on > that album, and directed most of the musical performances (with the exception > of the odd leads performed by people like Satriani) that actually appeared on > the album. The album was MIXED by an engineer hired by Pearlman, and "BOC"s > (sic) input in that process was minimal. I assume you are replying to my post, Deb. I _realize_ there were no novel arrangements by BOC on Imaginos, but perhaps my statement would have been clearer if I had said a) _Imaginos_, despite what we all know, has the BOC name on it, making in an "official" album, and b) there are novel arrangements of songs (done by Albert) originally recorded by BOC ("Astronomy" and "Blue Oyster Cult" [aka "The Subhuman"]). That is what I meant to be understood. Thus, my reasoning for then going on to discuss CN as a possibly better candidate for what could be considered the last actual BOC album (followed by a discussion of the last BOC album with the original line-up). Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 26 13:06:41 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:06:41 +0100 Subject: NetHawks T-Shirts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Jerry writes >>>> Are these Nethawk T-shirts still available, and from who ? > >>>I still have the original artwork (acrylic on paper) for the pan-BOC-l >>>design (radio wave Hawks/stonehenge/me-262) >>>There's a couple of t-shirt printers in town I could check out if there >>>was sufficient interest (maybe get different colours than black). > >I'd like one, yes! > >Jerry Ahem, (clears nearly recovered throat) "Me too" -- Jon Browne From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Jun 26 14:43:19 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:43:19 +0200 Subject: OFF: boc-l history trivia archive (For misty-eyed folks only) Message-ID: > As most of you saw from my previous message, Bob Netherton is no longer with >ericsson. Consequently, the list as it existed at has >gone away, never to be resurrected. > > Contrary to popular belief, I had spent the past week attempting to >determine whether Bob had fallen off the face of the planet, been hit by a >truck, struck by lightning, or turned into a petunia. As it turns out, a >combination of political problems and a much better offer involving more >money and a company car convinced him to leave for greener pastures. I think the hawkwind aura still surrounds this man... While searching Alta Vista for "Hawkwind" in usenet, I've always having hits like this: (what is equivalent with the letters of Hawkwind here? - and does someone want Bob's addresse?) ================================================================= In article <4qpcmm$cuj at mikasa.iol.it>, MELLOW RECORDS writes: |> Yes, a real fantastic band. I heard Greg Walker put them under contract. |> Somebody can confirm this?? If not I'll sign them tomorrow :) Last I heard, Greg was putting this out. Bob -- _ ____|____====___H___________________====_====_====_ |_______| [[[[ ####### ###### | Bob Netherton ______| [][] |____ """ Missouri Pacific | Sun Microsystems |o ____| MP |__| \___________________________/\_________| Dallas, Tx |_| / |_5001_| \_| | | | | | | | | | | | |_| |_|=|====|======|===|===/\==================================|_| |_| [(o)=(o)=(o)] |____________________| [(o)=(o)=(o)] |_| ============================================================================= ] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 26 15:02:55 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:02:55 -0400 Subject: NetHawks T-Shirts Message-ID: >>Jerry >Ahem, (clears nearly recovered throat) "Me too" Me, too (62). +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 26 13:04:40 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:04:40 +0100 Subject: What's Progressive? In-Reply-To: <199606261234.NAA10529@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <199606261234.NAA10529 at neptune.shef.ac.uk>, Chris Bates writes >Is *house* really music? Define music. Of course it is. And some very damn fine psychedelic tunes can be found. It's just a little too _progressive_ for some peoples taste. They did say the same thing about Hawkwind once. Now that I think of it _they_ probably still do. I get the same buzz of techno I get off the Hawks. _Exactly_ the same buzz. It's head music isn't it? -- Jon Browne From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 26 15:24:24 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:24:24 -0400 Subject: BOC-L awards Message-ID: Just thought we could print up some certificates or something for awards and have an e-mail awards show for categories like (all members may vote): Band that most resembles BOC that do not have any members from BOC in them. Best appearance of BOC in another media: nominees: S. Roeser, Goldmine article the guy who did the BOCDOOM2.wad Ripper, CD-ROM game with DFTR (we're doing last year or so, otherwise we'd have Stoned Age vs. Halloween etc.) that kind of stuff. This is just preliminary, we need to iron these things out before voting, if it seems worthy. We could do the same thing for Hawkwind, except the category "Band that most resembles Hawkwind that does not have any ex hawkwinders" would eliminate about half the sf bands on the planet. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jun 26 15:36:10 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:36:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Techno (was: What's Progressive?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > I get the same buzz of techno I get off the Hawks. _Exactly_ the same > buzz. It's head music isn't it? Not the way most people think of it (at least in the U.S.). In general, what we call "techno" is not head music but gonad music. I have been to a couple of clubs and I have seen on TV and heard plenny about what goes on at raves (some raves, anyway), and it seems to me that most techno is merely background noise for humping. [No, I didn't misspell "thumping", though that's true too. :)] Ever heard of Lords of Acid? Then again, I listen to ambient and ambient dub, which is certainly head music, though some of it may have sexual undertones. So not all techno- proper is gonad music. At any rate, your experience with techno (as well as mine) is not in the majority, though both you and I [aww, what the heck, the rest of BOC-L can join in, too. :) ] certainly have the right to listen to techno in a completely non-sexual way if we want to. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers P.S.: Here we go again... :) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 26 18:24:11 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:24:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: Techno (was: What's Progressive?) In-Reply-To: from "Damon C Capehart" at Jun 26, 96 02:36:10 pm Message-ID: > I get the same buzz of techno I get off the Hawks. _Exactly_ the same > buzz. It's head music isn't it? Hmmm, well, the problem I have with most techno is that it's just that--techno. The mechanical nature of it removes much of the gestalt function of a live band. Watching some of the technoid acts at the solstice gig, I kept thinking they've got close to what Hawkwind has, the swooshy noises, the repetition ... but it's almost _all_ repetition. With Hawkwind (ideally) you get a repetitive pattern with tonal variation and the option of the band to change what they're doing as they go--work off each other. Speed up, slow down, change rhythm. When the all lock in on what each other is doing it can be incredible. This is why the sequencers are so annoying--it stifles the possibilities. For me the real pinacles of Hawkwind moments are things like "Time We Left" on Doremi. You just _can't_ get that with a techno band. Well, you might be able to but it would be a stupid waste of time ;) Much easier and more fun with a live band. Techno is too _consistent_ for me. Humans aren't consistent :) and I guess I get a kick out of human inconsistancy, planned or otherwise :) I just can't get excited about something I know comes from a box. I can't relate to boxes the way I can to people ... Right, enough senseless rambling .... :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Jun 26 18:50:51 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:50:51 +1000 Subject: OFF: boc-l history trivia archive (For misty-eyed folks only) Message-ID: At 05:25 PM 6/26/96 +0100, you wrote: > Your new Sole Surviving Humble Moderator, (YnSSHM) > Ben Cohen Well, there you go! I've been guessing about this since I joined. John, is this something for the FAQ (or FnAQ)? (-: Pete. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jun 26 18:54:14 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:54:14 -0600 Subject: BOC: Buffalo Show 6/23/96 In-Reply-To: <960625195938_339531366@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Thank you!!!!! Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Jun 26 17:56:31 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:56:31 -0400 Subject: OFF: Finding music In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jun 26, 96 10:25:16 am Message-ID: Paul says-- > Heck, IMHO, I say dump *everything* together and categorise it > alphabetically. It would make *my* life a lot easier, at any rate. For > example, a while ago I thought my local shop had removed their "Hawkwind" > divider from the "Rock" section of the shelves (where it had been). Boo, > hoo, I thought, until, a couple of visits later, I discovered it had > simply been moved to the "Garage, Surf 'n' Psychedelia" section (wherein > I was looking for some Bevis Frond). Hawkwind seems to end up in "heavy metal" sometimes, "rock" sometimes, etc. > In a similar vein, I always have to > check the "Jazz", "New Age", and "World Music" sections when looking for > stuff by Shankar, just to be sure (since his stuff appears to be randomly > filed amongst those three areas). Speaking of whom, tell me more about Material (by private email) if you'd be so kind. :-) > Filing everything together, alphabetically, would also (IMHO) increase the > chance of someone stumbling across something interesting, and thereby > increasing their musical horizons (and the record shop's sales). I like that idea. I won't have to walk so far when I'm in one of those Bach/Black Sabbath moods. :-) Guido obCDplayer--A Handful of Beauty by Shakti obCDplayer--Siamese Dream by Smashing Pumpkins -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jun 26 19:05:52 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:05:52 -0600 Subject: AB on BOC-L vs. AOL In-Reply-To: <199606261500.LAA20950@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Well put, AB. et al.!! Both lists are cool, especially when the focus is on the music, and not the band member/ ex-bandmember bashing gets out of hand. However, I am not (yet) on AOL. SOme people on this list seem to think that because I stand up for Buck & Eric that I am on AOL. Not so. Albert; Enjoying you summer vacation from teaching?? I'm loving it!!! I'm still teaching special ed; emotionally dis- turbed kids. Have the bruises to prove it!!! A live album would be cooooooooooooooooollllllll!!!!!! God bless.. Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 27 00:11:36 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:11:36 BST Subject: OFF: boc-l history trivia archive (For misty-eyed folks only) In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:43:19 +0200 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > > I think the hawkwind aura still surrounds this man... > While searching Alta Vista for "Hawkwind" in usenet, I've always having hits > like this: > -- > _ ____|____====___H___________________====_====_====_ > |_______| [[[[ ####### ###### | > Bob Netherton ______| [][] |____ """ Missouri Pacific | > Sun Microsystems |o ____| MP |__| \___________________________/\_________| > Dallas, Tx |_| / |_5001_| \_| | | | | | | | | | | | |_| > |_|=|====|======|===|===/\==================================|_| Yeah - I keep seeing his name on the prog.rock music boards and have always assumed he's the same guy. I've also always assumed tho' that the *last* place on earth he would ever want to be would be back on the boc-l list! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Jun 26 19:18:56 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:18:56 -0400 Subject: HW: Summer Solstice in Cleveland In-Reply-To: <199606251701.NAA19448@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jun 25, 96 01:01:08 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks... I thought I'd post a short review of what went on last Saturday night at the Phantasy Night Club in Cleveland, OH. I've waited a few days, so as not to take your attention away from all the fabulous reviews of the Brixton & Guildford HW shows... :) Anyway, the lineup was exactly as on New Year's Eve....Sun Machine (who remained unnamed as yet on 12/31/95) followed by Milwaukee's F/i. Sun Machine went on at just after 10 pm, as I was walking in the door, and did a 85-minute set of Hawkwind covers. Not very much new from what they've done in the previous two shows, but they are still 'defining' themselves', if that's possible from an all-cover band. The lead singer/poet from the first two gigs was not present this time (I think his name was Tom Marazita), although I think his brother was back there playing the drums. Instead, Scott (?) stepped in as lead singer/frontman, and did a credible job, depite not looking all that experienced/comfortable in the limelight (in Brockian fashion). Scott not only 'guested' on a couple tracks with Sun Machine back in Feb. 96, he was also part of the touring entourage for the April '95 HW Spirit of the Age tour...so some of you may know him outside of Cleveland as well. The rest of the band seemed to be as before...Steve Taylor on Lead Guitar, and Dan (?) on rhythm/acoustic guitars/vocals on acoustic tracks, plus whomever on keyboards/synths. No Sax player, unfortunately. The set was something like this..... Synth intro Choose Your Masques Orgone Accumulator The 5th Second Of Forever Dust of Time The Demented Man Starflight Ejection Heads The Watcher Free Fall Robot Uncle Sam's on Mars 'Urban Guerilla/Lord of Light' jam Hassan I Sahba Highlights for me were the 'T5SoF/DoT' excerpt from Levitation....brilliant!! and the Choose Your Masques intro (I don't think they did this one before). Heads was done really well this time, whereas it was pretty rough/unrehearsed back on NYE. On the other hand, 'The Demented Man' wasn't done that well, and 'Free Fall' was a little off....hard to get that bass line and drumming in synch (without MIDI, that is). :) Rumours of 'original' material were found not to be accurate...although they did do an improvisational bit (that they admitted to making up as they went along), which seemed to be roughly based on the Urban Guerilla riff, with Scott 'chanting' along with the lyrics to Lord of Light. The light show was extremely well done, for such an 'amateur' operation. On NYE, the lighting was done by Louise McAuley from Toronto (who's actually a very fine artist to boot), who has some slide projectors and some of those spinning wheel projectors as well. The Feb. gig (lights being supplied by Jim Lascko) had a bank of 4 or 5 standard 'office-style' overhead projectors, with various cellophane sheets rotating atop them. Nice effect for a low-budget operation, but the damn things lit up the entire club! For this show, they had both entire set-ups working together, and Jim's overheads were set up with a 'dimmer' switch such that he could vary the intensity on each, thus maintaining relative darkness in the rear of the club. It worked extremely well!! They also had some dry ice 'smoke', some strobes back by the drum riser, and also a funky multicoloured flashing light gizmo above the stage, shining down, that came on periodically. Stew Orr (the Wizard) was there again, trying to light the stage afire, and making it generally very warm in the club....I wish he would come up with some new tricks, or change his name to the 'Arsonist' or something - it's a bit old now. And the 'artist' that was there in February wasn't there, which was also too bad....he did some neat charcoal drawings of aliens and such during the Sun Machine performance then. Anyway, the show was very good. I would have liked to hear some original material - I think these guys could probably create some nice music on their own, if they put their minds to it. Of course, the band is still apparently in flux as to who the members are supposed to be, but once they get that all sorted out, let's hope they do something original. Still, it's the next best thing to hearing HW that I've seen (Nik included....). Just had to put that in...sorry. I couldn't hang around much past midnight as I had to head westward, so I only stayed for about 20 minutes of the F/i set. I had seen them on NYE anyway, and thought that they were only average. Nothing's changed in my mind about them - they still do the same heavy, slow, grundgy, instrumental material with their own psychedelic flair. Doesn't excite me all that much. I saw a few folks I knew, like Jim Collins and Mike from Chicago (ToE folks), Scott and Louise, of course, Rick S. who's a list member, and I met Duane there as well, but couldn't talk long as I had to take off. I thought I may have seen Wylie at one point, but then I never saw that person again. It's a small place, so you can't hardly miss someone. Well, I said this would be short, but 'Oh, well'..... Now, off to Baltimore!!! Keith H. PS Dunno about taping....there was a small video camera set up behind Jim L. - maybe you could ask him at 'Strange Trips' if you were interested. PPS The HW display was much the same as before....only thing I noticed there that I don't remember seeing before was a 'Hawkfan 12' LP....a rare item indeed. That and 'Love in Space' of course. Still no 'New World's Fair'...I'll have to take mine up next time. From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jun 27 04:13:24 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:13:24 PDT Subject: HW: Paradiso 1996-06-26 Message-ID: Chapter "Gig" I'm probably the first one to write about this gig - at 01:13h, I just got home from Amsterdam, only 20 minutes away from my home. (Just a bit over "7 miles from my home", I guess. Who has the record - Jill, I believe, with a thousand yards?) When will BOC play here?!?!?!?!?!?! :-((( The gig was great. It was certainly better than last year's, at the Melkweg (Milky Way). They played as many "new" songs as they did last year (for me, "new" means after 1984), and they changed the set list concerning old songs. I guess the set list was the same as it was in Brixton, Ipswich and wherever they played the last couple of weeks. Old songs Steppenwolf, Hassan I Sahba and Silver Machine, but they threw out Golden Void! :-( Where's that Damnation Alley or Quark Strangeness And Charm or Brainstorm or... or...? We'll see next time. The sound was great. The dancers were lovely. Very well shaped, if I may say so. Does someone know their names or something? :-) Chapter "People" At the Bulldog, I met with Rob. He found a bunch of fellow UK-ers, watching the football (USA: soccer) match. He managed to run into Alan and get himself on the guest list. Inside the Paradiso Rob introduced me to Bill, Ron and Eli (a friend of Bill's) and their wives. We shared a few words and a couple of joints, and enjoyed the show. To all of you, I hope you had a pleasant stay at this small but free and relaxed part of the world. You got any weeds left for the way back? (Did they shock me with the price they have to pay for weeds in NY!) I hope you enjoyed the Tilburg gig as well, although I know Bill probably wouldn't go. Four HW gigs in ten days, he said, was marvellous. Would he be able to handle one more? I guess not. Not even Bill. :-) Chapter "Tape" Bernhard, I owe you an apology. I didn't do my job very well: I missed the first song! I know Eli's wife taped the complete gig, complete and including the first song. I can imagine you would like to get the complete performance, so you really have to write to Bill about it. On the first tape I did a really good job of timing. Besides the fact, of course, that I missed the first song, side A last for about 44 and a half minutes. Side B has the rest of the show up to the encore, and lasts about 40 minutes. The encore (10 - 15 minutes) is on the second tape. Bernhard, could you please let me know on which day Hawkwind, Ritual and The Flower Kings will be playing? If they are all playing on the same day, the decision is easy - I will meet you there (if you're going, of course). We could trade tapes there. Otherwise, I will have to send you two tapes. Let me know. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Wed Jun 26 21:07:21 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:07:21 PDT Subject: BOC: Buffalo Show 6/23/96 Message-ID: Manuel, >>Hi again !! It's Manuel. Guess what info I want?!?! You guessed right; >the name of >the venue, other bands. >"The Pier" >Other bands: >Rick Emmitt >Nazareth >Randy Bachman >38 Special I assume you are collecting info like this, and send it to me in batches? :-) Jerry From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Jun 26 19:42:46 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:42:46 PDT Subject: OFF: boc-l history trivia archive (For misty-eyed folks only) In-Reply-To: <9606270011.aa14272@uk.ac.ed.tattoo>; from "J Strobridge" at Jun 27, 96 12:11 am Message-ID: > > Johan Edlundh writes: > > > Stuff and ASCII GP-35 diesel DELETED. > > Yeah - I keep seeing his name on the prog.rock music boards and have > always assumed he's the same guy. I've also always assumed tho' that > the *last* place on earth he would ever want to be would be back on the > boc-l list! > > jill > > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > It _is_ the same guy. No question about it. And why wouldn't he be welcomed back to the list? The demise of the list while it was in his care was not a malicious act to limit the flow of info. Hell, the way companies give the bums' rush to employees that issue their resignation, would you really expect that the company would give him time to take care of a personal matter? I personally would like to see Bob back on board; he is a highly intelligent contributor to most dicussions (ask him about Italian progressive rock!) And we are a friendly list and somewhat forgiving (I mean, come on, we still support 3OC and where is _their_ new release?). Come back Bob, all is forgiven. objCDPlayer: Jeff Foxworthy / Games Rednecks Play -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 26 20:31:55 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:31:55 +0100 Subject: AB on BOC-L vs. AOL In-Reply-To: from "jean l delacour" at Jun 26, 96 05:05:52 pm Message-ID: > However, I am not (yet) on AOL. SOme people on this list seem to think that > because I stand up for Buck & Eric that I am on AOL. Not so. Hey, I stick up for the current BOC! I've admited to liking Eric's vocals on a lot of songs, and of course classify Buck as a Guitar God! Credit where credit is due, and criticism where critcism is due. I'll give 'em hell for not getting new material out and for foolishly letting the Bouchard Bros. slip away. And whatever the hassles are with that and _Imaginos_ and everything is not really my business. As a fan, I'm giving them hell only for their missed/lost opportunities (as I see them). They start producing new albums and I'll complain less. :) For me, there are two side to a musical artist--performer and human being. I dunno the guys in BOC even so well as the little bit I know Al & Deb, so I'm in no position to judge them as people. But I _will_ judge them as performers :) since that's what part of being a serious fan is about IMHO. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 26 20:37:35 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:37:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Summer Solstice in Cleveland In-Reply-To: <199606262318.TAA13850@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at Jun 26, 96 07:18:56 pm Message-ID: > The lead singer/poet from the first two gigs > was not present this time (I think his name was Tom Marazita), although I think > his brother was back there playing the drums. Isn't there a guy on this list in semi-lurk mode with a name a lot like that? I could swear our list member is from CA though--I traded some tapes with him back in my early daze on the list when no would have believe in a million years that something like the EMI remasters would come out :) > The Watcher IMHO, this is a song that would have fit *brilliantly* into the set list for the _Alien_ tour. Yeah, it's Lemmy song, but so what? HW should use it again, while they have a chance. I can imagine it as done by the current band ... a sinister sounding ambient piece :) > Anyway, the show was very good. I would have liked to hear some original > material - I think these guys could probably create some nice music on their > own, if they put their minds to it. Maybe I can send 'em my demo tape and they could cover that :) My sister is still nearby, maybe she could jam with 'em on it :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Jun 26 22:29:58 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:29:58 -0700 Subject: HW: Summer Solstice in Cleveland Message-ID: Y >Hi Folks... > >I thought I'd post a short review of what went on last Saturday night at the >Phantasy Night Club in Cleveland, OH. The lead singer/poet from the first two gigs >was not present this time (I think his name was Tom Marazita), although I think >his brother was back there playing the drums. I don't think so. The old front guy lives in NY. They're trying to get a tighter sound (very evident) by having guys in the band who can actually rehearse together. Novel idea...:) > >Highlights for me were the 'T5SoF/DoT' excerpt from Levitation....brilliant!! >and the Choose Your Masques intro (I don't think they did this one before). They did this last time, with artist drawing on stage during the tune. Nice touch, as well as the inept flame throwing dude.... The best part I thought was that very same artist, who goes by the name Screamer, tearing it up on lead vox on Uncle Sam's on Mars. Twas never a fave of mine, but this guy made it something special. If I had the time and patience to put a band together again I'd be calling him for sure. The originals, according to Steve Taylor, are not yet ready for prime time... All in all a good time! Wylie From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jun 26 22:40:14 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:40:14 +1100 Subject: OFF: Jimmy in trouble Message-ID: Gidday All, I'm told that: (Quote) There's a huge article on page 3 of today's Telegraph about his worrying sheep with his sonic weapon, in Devon. I'm just trying to transcribe it now, but it should be available from the Electronic Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk) Apparently, he's been worrying cattle with a home-made sonic weapon. Maybe all will become clear later, but here's a quote to keep you knowing: "He said he aimed the gun away from homes. It seemed to have no effect on sheep..." (End Quote) Sonique ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Jun 27 03:54:59 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:54:59 +0100 Subject: What's Progressive, what's techno Message-ID: Jon wrote: > In message <199606261234.NAA10529 at neptune.shef.ac.uk>, Chris Bates > writes > >Is *house* really music? > > Define music. Of course it is. And some very damn fine psychedelic tunes > can be found. It's just a little too _progressive_ for some peoples > taste. Well, I was joking really. In a discussion on what makes progressive music it amused me to ask what is music?.... and Carl replied: > Hmmm, well, the problem I have with most techno is that it's > just that--techno. The mechanical nature of it removes much of the > gestalt function of a live band. > Techno is too _consistent_ for me. Humans aren't consistent :) > and I guess I get a kick out of human inconsistancy, planned or otherwise :) > I just can't get excited about something I know comes from a box. I > can't relate to boxes the way I can to people ... I agree with Carl though. I like Can and they sound sort of techno-ish to me but with far more humanity and variety. And hey, techno can't be progressive if it sounds like a band from 25 years ago can it? ObSmileys ;-)))))) Chris From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Thu Jun 27 05:03:14 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:03:14 +0000 Subject: NetHawks T-Shirts Message-ID: I'll go for one ! -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 27 10:12:57 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:12:57 BST Subject: OFF: boc-l history trivia archive (For misty-eyed folks only) In-Reply-To: Craig Shipley's message of Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:42:46 PDT Message-ID: Craig Shipley writes: > > > > Johan Edlundh writes: > > > > > > Stuff and ASCII GP-35 diesel DELETED. > > > > Yeah - I keep seeing his name on the prog.rock music boards and have > > always assumed he's the same guy. I've also always assumed tho' that > > the *last* place on earth he would ever want to be would be back on the > > boc-l list! > > > > jill > > > > > > =========================================================================== > > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > It _is_ the same guy. No question about it. And why wouldn't he be welcomed > back to the list? The demise of the list while it was in his care was not > a malicious act to limit the flow of info. Hell, the way companies give the > bums' rush to employees that issue their resignation, would you really expect > that the company would give him time to take care of a personal matter? I > personally would like to see Bob back on board; he is a highly intelligent > contributor to most dicussions (ask him about Italian progressive rock!) > Hey Craig I NEVER SAID THAT. Don't read me wrong please. I did NOT say that he wouldn't be welcome back. I said that I didn't think *HE* would want to come back meaning that I assumed he was somewhat embarrassed about the whole business. I did not say or mean to say anything else. Please don't misrepresent me. I was as troubled as everyone else when the list folded and worried about what had happened to him. I have nothing against Bob and furthermore I do not presume and have never presumed to speak for any other members on the boc-list. People's opinions are their own and I do not expect anyone necessarily to share mine. As it happens I would be happy to see him return and would have been at any time. Please note this. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk "Death Is Nature's Way of Saying Slow Down" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 27 10:18:39 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:18:39 BST Subject: OFF: More list history trivia... In-Reply-To: Guido Vacano's message of Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:45:59 -0400 Message-ID: Guido Vacano writes: > Paul sez-- > Bob Netherton (I think that's correct--it's been a while) was on the list > for a fair bit, and he was going to co-moderate boc-l on a computer at > his job, with (I think) Ben. He vanished. :-) We then discovered later > that he had moved on to "greener pastures", and he did not have > facilities to host the list. I don't think he ever resubscribed to boc-l. > I think that's when Mike Holmes ran the list for a while. For 24 hours in fact... Mike "Ozymandias" Holmes From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 27 10:24:01 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:24:01 BST Subject: OFF: Techno (was: What's Progressive?) In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:24:11 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > I get the same buzz of techno I get off the Hawks. _Exactly_ the same > > buzz. It's head music isn't it? > > Hmmm, well, the problem I have with most techno is that it's > just that--techno. The mechanical nature of it removes much of the > gestalt function of a live band. Watching some of the technoid acts > at the solstice gig, I kept thinking they've got close to what Hawkwind > has, the swooshy noises, the repetition ... but it's almost _all_ > repetition. With Hawkwind (ideally) you get a repetitive pattern with > tonal variation and the option of the band to change what they're doing > as they go--work off each other. Speed up, slow down, change rhythm. > When the all lock in on what each other is doing it can be incredible. I have a tape of a band called "Global" who were at Glastonbury a couple of years back (Blue Moon Cafe). It's basically techno but with all the whooshy noises and enough live instruments to vary the sound in a similar way to Hawkwind. It has whooshy noises galore and even a synthesised didgeridoo. Tape swaps available on request. If Global are still around, I'm sure they'd appreciate the publicity... FoFP From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jun 27 04:48:14 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:48:14 PDT Subject: NetHawks T-Shirts Message-ID: >>>>> Are these Nethawk T-shirts still available, and from who ? >>>>I still have the original artwork (acrylic on paper) for the pan-BOC-l >>>>design (radio wave Hawks/stonehenge/me-262) >>>>There's a couple of t-shirt printers in town I could check out if there >>>>was sufficient interest (maybe get different colours than black). >>I'd like one, yes! >As would I! >>Jerry >Chris Tonight I saw the first NetHawk shirt! Bill Stewart wore one to the gig at the Paradiso. Hm, I really like that one! He had the English version (as Rob explained to me). Bill liked the American version as well (ISoS / Kronos / ME-262 design), but Rob thought it was "too much". I would still love to get one! Jerry From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Jun 27 07:14:58 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:14:58 +0200 Subject: HW videos??? Message-ID: I don't believe Hawkwind ever made a music video (but correct me if I'm wrong)... wouldn't that be kinda cool? We should ask Dave Brock if he ever plans to get Hawkwind on MTV! Perhaps do an edited "Sputnik Stan" or a techno-remix!? I visualize a cool psychedelic fractal hawk-thing.... Just a thought.... Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 27 07:38:56 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:38:56 +0100 Subject: HW videos??? In-Reply-To: <31D26D32.67B0@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jun 27, 96 01:14:58 pm Message-ID: > I don't believe Hawkwind ever made a music video (but correct me if > I'm wrong)... wouldn't that be kinda cool? We should ask Dave Brock if > he ever plans to get Hawkwind on MTV! Perhaps do an edited "Sputnik > Stan" or a techno-remix!? I visualize a cool psychedelic fractal > hawk-thing.... Actually, they _did_ make a video for "Images" ... but the master tape got stolen before it reached MTV or something like that (typical ;) I've got a grainy NTSC copy of it off of Chris Bruce (no, it's in the States, so I can't make further copies at this time, I'm afraid!). It is actually pretty cool. On the low budget side, but some bands spend a lot of money to make a video that looks pretty low-budget :) Meanwhile, I await the first Brain Surgeons video ... ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 27 12:38:23 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:38:23 BST Subject: OFF: Spamming the spammers Message-ID: I've just about had it with spammers and have decided to mess with their heads using the following: Thank you for subscribing to the Hawkwind Mailing List. As a new subscriber here's your FREE online discography. You can now look forward to lots more info about your favourite band. If at any time you want to unsubcribe then just send a message containing the word: Ejection Until then, Welcome To The Future! Your Humble Moderator... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hawkwind Discography, Rev.35 24th June 1996 -------------------------------------------- [...] From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Thu Jun 27 08:57:33 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:57:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: Spamming the spammers Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > I've just about had it with spammers and have decided to mess with their > heads using the following: > > Thank you for subscribing to the Hawkwind Mailing List. As a new I used to hang around the alt.misc.forteana news group, my standard reply spammers was: Thanks for your in terest in Charles Fort, to get you started heres a picture of the great man attached. and then attach a 250K gif of the man. Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Jun 27 08:59:05 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:59:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: boc-l history trivia archive (For misty-eyed folks only) In-Reply-To: <9606271012.aa06583@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Jun 27, 96 10:12:57 am Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > > Craig Shipley writes: > > > > Yeah - I keep seeing his name on the prog.rock music boards and have > > > always assumed he's the same guy. I've also always assumed tho' that > > > the *last* place on earth he would ever want to be would be back on the > > > boc-l list! > > > > > > jill > > > > It _is_ the same guy. No question about it. And why wouldn't he be welcomed > > back to the list? The demise of the list while it was in his care was not > > a malicious act to limit the flow of info. Hell, the way companies give the > > bums' rush to employees that issue their resignation, would you really expect > > that the company would give him time to take care of a personal matter? I > > personally would like to see Bob back on board; he is a highly intelligent > > contributor to most dicussions (ask him about Italian progressive rock!) > > I NEVER SAID THAT. Don't read me wrong please. I did NOT say that he > wouldn't be welcome back. I said that I didn't think *HE* would want > to come back meaning that I assumed he was somewhat embarrassed about > the whole business. I did not say or mean to say anything else. > Please don't misrepresent me. It was Bob's own decision not to return to the list. He was kind of embarrassed about the whole incident. Steve swann at panix.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jun 27 09:10:09 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:10:09 -0400 Subject: OFF: boc-l history trivia archive (For misty-eyed folks only) Message-ID: >"Death Is Nature's Way of Saying Slow Down" Robin Williams says, "Death is nature's way of saying 'Your table is ready'" John From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jun 27 09:50:11 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 06:50:11 PDT Subject: OFF: boc-l history triva APOLOGIES TO JILL In-Reply-To: <9606271012.aa06583@uk.ac.ed.tattoo>; from "J Strobridge" at Jun 27, 96 10:12 am Message-ID: Jill and all, I didn't mean to make it sound like I was saying that you or anyone else would not welcome Bob or anyone else on this list, but re-reading what I said, it sure seems that way. Gotta stop posting when I am tired. My sincerest apologies to you. Back to submerged mode. Craig > > Craig Shipley writes: > > > > > > > Johan Edlundh writes: > > > > > > > > > Stuff and ASCII GP-35 diesel DELETED. > > > > > > Yeah - I keep seeing his name on the prog.rock music boards and have > > > always assumed he's the same guy. I've also always assumed tho' that > > > the *last* place on earth he would ever want to be would be back on the > > > boc-l list! > > > > > > jill > > > > > > > > > =========================================================================== > > > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > > > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > It _is_ the same guy. No question about it. And why wouldn't he be welcomed > > back to the list? The demise of the list while it was in his care was not > > a malicious act to limit the flow of info. Hell, the way companies give the > > bums' rush to employees that issue their resignation, would you really expect > > that the company would give him time to take care of a personal matter? I > > personally would like to see Bob back on board; he is a highly intelligent > > contributor to most dicussions (ask him about Italian progressive rock!) > > > > > Hey Craig > > I NEVER SAID THAT. Don't read me wrong please. I did NOT say that he > wouldn't be welcome back. I said that I didn't think *HE* would want > to come back meaning that I assumed he was somewhat embarrassed about > the whole business. I did not say or mean to say anything else. > Please don't misrepresent me. > > I was as troubled as everyone else when the list folded and worried > about what had happened to him. I have nothing against Bob and > furthermore I do not presume and have never presumed to speak for any > other members on the boc-list. People's opinions are their own and > I do not expect anyone necessarily to share mine. As it happens I would > be happy to see him return and would have been at any time. Please > note this. > > jill > > > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > "Death Is Nature's Way of Saying Slow Down" > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 27 09:52:11 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:52:11 -0400 Subject: OFF: Jimmy in trouble In-Reply-To: <199606270342.NAA05351@uluru.ozonline.com.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Paul G Ward wrote: > I'm told that: > > (Quote) > > There's a huge article on page 3 of today's Telegraph about his > worrying sheep with his sonic weapon, in Devon. > > I'm just trying to transcribe it now, but it should be available from > the Electronic Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk) Didn't someone already post this ET article to the list? Cheers, Paul. obCD: fIREHOSE, _Ragin' Full-On_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Jun 27 10:44:19 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:44:19 -0400 Subject: HW videos??? In-Reply-To: <31D26D32.67B0@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jun 27, 96 01:14:58 pm Message-ID: Christian wonders.... > > I don't believe Hawkwind ever made a music video (but correct me if > I'm wrong)... wouldn't that be kinda cool? We should ask Dave Brock if > he ever plans to get Hawkwind on MTV! Perhaps do an edited "Sputnik > Stan" or a techno-remix!? I visualize a cool psychedelic fractal > hawk-thing.... I have a tape with a 'fake live' shot of the band "performing" World of Tiers, complete with Ginger Baker battering the skins. Pretty goofy idea for them to try that out....they didn't appear to be taking the whole thing seriously. I don't really know what they did this for...the video quality was pretty poor, although it could've been just because of the PAL-NTSC transfer I suppose. Keith H. (FAA) From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jun 27 09:47:23 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 00:47:23 +1100 Subject: HW: Gallery Message-ID: It's still taking shape, but the first stage is ready at: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/Gallery Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jun 27 09:51:29 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 00:51:29 +1100 Subject: HW: Choose Your Masques vinyl 4 sale Message-ID: On 26 Jun 96 Olivier Boigey wrote about Re: HW: Choose Your Masques vinyl 4: > It's a copy of Choose Your Masques (promo), autographed by Dave, > Harvey, Huw and Martin. Mint to near mint (hasn't been played). Any > ideas? > > If that's really exists, it's a double collector's item due to the rarity of > CyM records in mint condition and to the autographs for sure... > Price would be...without equivalent...but > > I wouldn't let such an offer pass! Well don't! tjgadd at southcom.com.au is waiting for offers! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Jun 27 11:10:16 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:10:16 -0400 Subject: TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC: Football Result Message-ID: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGHHHH. I set my VCR to record the England/Germany game and watched it totally absorbed. I saw Gazza miss in extra time and then it was time for penalties. Then the fucking tape ran out. I had to phone around only to find out England lost. Totally off topic but just had to vent Martyn From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Thu Jun 27 08:32:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:32:00 -0400 Subject: HW videos??? Message-ID: ---------- >From: Keith A Henderson >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: HW videos??? >Date: Thursday, June 27, 1996 10:44AM > >Christian wonders.... >> >> I don't believe Hawkwind ever made a music video (but correct me if >> I'm wrong)... wouldn't that be kinda cool? We should ask Dave Brock if >> he ever plans to get Hawkwind on MTV! Perhaps do an edited "Sputnik >> Stan" or a techno-remix!? I visualize a cool psychedelic fractal >> hawk-thing.... > >I have a tape with a 'fake live' shot of the band "performing" World of Tiers, >complete with Ginger Baker battering the skins. Pretty goofy idea for them to >try that out....they didn't appear to be taking the whole thing seriously. Yeah, I think I remember seeing this. Isn't Dave playing keyboards and there is a second unseen guitarist (you only see his hands)? "I am a clone"...and so on... >Keith H. (FAA) Chris From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jun 27 11:50:20 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:50:20 -0400 Subject: Temporarily signing off Message-ID: I will be away from my office for the next week, so to avoid flooding my mailbox, I'll be turning my BOC-L mail off for the next week. Anyone needing to correspond with me should send e-mail to jswartz at mitre.org John From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Jun 27 12:08:59 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:08:59 -0400 Subject: OFF: Techno (was: What's Progressive?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 06/26/96 at 02:36 PM, Damon C Capehart said: >Not the way most people think of it (at least in the U.S.). In general, >what we call "techno" is not head music but gonad music. I have been to >a couple of clubs and I have seen on TV and heard plenny about what goes >on at raves (some raves, anyway), and it seems to me that most techno is >merely background noise for humping. [No, I didn't misspell "thumping", >though that's true too. :)] Ever heard of Lords of Acid? Now what's wrong with songs titled Let's Get High and I Sit On Acid :) Of course listening to The Crab Louse might make you think twice about that humping. ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Jun 27 12:04:31 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:04:31 +0100 Subject: TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC: Football Result In-Reply-To: <9606271510.AA27108@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Martyn White wrote: > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGHHHH. I set my VCR to record > the England/Germany game and watched it totally absorbed. I > saw Gazza miss in extra time and then it was time for penalties. > Then the fucking tape ran out. I had to phone around > only to find out England lost. > > Totally off topic but just had to vent Martyn, I have to say agonising though that must have been for you, it probably wasn't as agonising as actually watching the penalty shoot-out! So much for the feelgood factor: England lost to Germany, the fucking tube & post office are on strike, and I've just been lumbered with a bunch of exam scripts to mark. Grrr... Dave From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 27 17:50:12 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:50:12 BST Subject: TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC: Football Result In-Reply-To: Hardman DK's message of Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:04:31 +0100 Message-ID: Hardman DK writes: > So much for the feelgood factor: England lost to Germany, the fucking > tube & post office are on strike, and I've just been lumbered with a > bunch of exam scripts to mark. Grrr... Ah, but the Conservatives are up four points in the polls... Light at the end of the tunnel, no new taxes, a penalty in every pot... > Dave FoFP From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jun 27 12:58:17 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:58:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: Patti Smith remasters Message-ID: I see these are now out - they look pretty tasty, but I think I'll wait for a European release before checking any of them out, 'cos they're quite pricy as US imports. Ditto the new album! One note of BOC interest is that the remaster of _Wave_ includes "Fire of Unknown Origin" from a b-side (very different version to BOC's though!) - Andy From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Jun 27 15:03:01 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:03:01 -0400 Subject: TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC: Football Result Message-ID: Dave writes: >Martyn, > >I have to say agonising though that must have been for you, it probably >wasn't as agonising as actually watching the penalty shoot-out! > >So much for the feelgood factor: England lost to Germany, the fucking >tube & post office are on strike, and I've just been lumbered with a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Oh shit! Does this mean that letters I am sending to the UK are not getting through. This is VERY important for me to know. Can someone send me information about this, please! >bunch of exam scripts to mark. Grrr... > >Dave Martyn From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Thu Jun 27 15:51:51 1996 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:51:51 -0800 Subject: OFF-TOPIC: UK Post Office In-Reply-To: <9606271903.AA27890@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Martyn White wrote: > >So much for the feelgood factor: England lost to Germany, the fucking > >tube & post office are on strike, and I've just been lumbered with a > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Oh shit! Does this mean that letters I am sending to the > UK are not getting through. This is VERY important for me to know. > Can someone send me information about this, please! I am in the same situation. (Have a trade going via mail). If anyone knows the specifics of the strike, please tell me also. Thanks. -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From stayer at PI.NET Fri Jun 28 01:40:09 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 22:40:09 PDT Subject: BOC: BOCgigs Message-ID: BOCgigs has been extended again. The list contains no less than 404 gigs. OK, way below the one and a half thousand HW gigs on Bernhard's list, but it's a good start, I think. And Manuel still has a lot to mail me! Keep the dates coming, Manuel. When I have a week off or something, I will try and include graphics as well. Maybe scan a couple of album covers. Manuel, could you try and scan the tickets you have? Might be a good idea to include those cases of verification as well? Jerry Yes, I know - all this because of someone (I won't call names, Chris) asked whether something like this existed... :-) From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Thu Jun 27 19:21:05 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 19:21:05 -0400 Subject: BOC : ramble on :-)(was Goldmine) Message-ID: Thanks Albert - we all need a shot of sensibility in the arm every now and then. I still have not figured out the competition factor between AOL and BOC-L. Oh well... Thanks for all the great music. Shawn From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 27 19:36:29 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 00:36:29 +0100 Subject: HW videos??? Message-ID: "World Of Tiers" and "Levitation" are the first two songs on my "79-89" video that I bought through the merchandise PO box. I think it was only meant to be "World Of Tiers", but there was a note included from Dave Brock saying that as I'd waited so long for it, "Levitation" had been put on as a bonus track. I seem to recall something about GermanTV for these two. As for "promo" videos...there is of course "The Promo Collection" video! The title says it all really, although I'm not quite sure where these videos were meant to be used. Most of the songs are too long for the typical MTV attention span. "Images", "Treadmill" and "Out Of The Shadows" are just three of the great songs on this tape. Although the videos occasionally look "cheap", overall I think they're excellent. As for older "promos", "Night Of The Hawks" did the rounds on early video jukeboxes, although this was really just film from the full length video of the same name. However, "Night Of The Hawks" wasn't actually *on* "Night Of The Hawks"!! Still here? Okay...it was the studio version too despite the live pics. What else...well they did the same thing with "Needle Gun" video, although this was included on the COTBS vid. You can tell when watching that video that when "Needle Gun" comes on that it kinda sticks out from the rest. Don't think think this one got much exposure either. Well, I think that's about it. You could always include the "Silver Machine" promo film. I got a copy off GermanTV and it's great, although it seems this was the BBC filming the band to use as a promo rather than the Hawks actually making it themselves. Anyone know of any more? Or what about the full gig from 72/73 that GermanTV were meant to have filmed? Or the Hawklords gig that ItalianTV supposedly did? Anyone know *anything* about these holy grails of hawk-vids? cheers, Dave From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Thu Jun 27 23:13:12 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 22:13:12 -0500 Subject: HW videos??? Message-ID: Someone, somewhere should have a copy of Hawkwind miming to 'Quark, Strangeness & Charm' on Marc Bolan's TV Pop Show from the '70's. There is HW performing 'Silver Machine' live on Top of the Pops, complete with bubble machine. There is also reported to be a clip of them playing in a club in the film of Moorcock's 'Final Programe', although I'm buggered if I could find it. Yours, Star_rats From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Jun 27 23:39:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 23:39:00 EDT Subject: BRAIN: Mama Kin Gig Message-ID: I just want to amplify a few things John said. The place was packed and I was about 1/2 way back. Even back there people were dancing around. The transitions between songs were great! Smooth and sometimes very abrupt changes in mood. The dreaded Albert really beat the snot out of the skins. He broke something on "I Play the Drums" and some of the kick drum booms could have worked for CPR. My chest rattled. I like Billy Hilfiger's showmanship. He does some great mugging with his lead breaks. As John said, the set list was great, and I was left wanting more. The sound guy had very little choice on the 2nd encore song (I was very close to him). And unlike the current HW gigs, this encore kicked out the jams. Rudy From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Jun 28 08:18:38 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:18:38 BST Subject: OFF-TOPIC: UK Post Office In-Reply-To: William Fuller's message of Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:51:51 -0800 Message-ID: It's just a 24 hour strike, I believe. Dave. From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri Jun 28 05:12:10 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:12:10 +0000 Subject: HW videos??? Message-ID: Hawkwind wrote: > There is also reported to be a clip of them playing in a club in the film of > Moorcock's 'Final Programe', although I'm buggered if I could find it. > There is a band playing in that film, but it's a long time since I've seen it. If I rememeber correctly there is a VERY small clip of jerry walking through a club, and off to one side a band are playing. You see so little of the band it may or may not have been hawkwind. BTW Can you get the final program on VHS or Laserdisk ? And C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jun 28 04:18:45 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:18:45 +0200 Subject: OFF: So, anyway, these two baby seals walk into a club.... Message-ID: Sorry, just had to share that one :-) Thud, Christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jun 28 04:23:03 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:23:03 +0200 Subject: HW videos/final programme Message-ID: Andy Cobley wrote: > > Hawkwind wrote: > > > There is also reported to be a clip of them playing in a club in the film of > > Moorcock's 'Final Programe', although I'm buggered if I could find it. > > > > There is a band playing in that film, but it's a long time since > I've seen it. If I rememeber correctly there is a VERY small clip > of jerry walking through a club, and off to one side a band are playing. > > You see so little of the band it may or may not have been hawkwind. > > BTW > Can you get the final program on VHS or Laserdisk ? > I have it on VHS (PAL), but it has a poor sound quality... it was just broadcast on Norwegian TV6 _twice_ in the last two months!! I'll check over the weekend (but I'm lending it to someone on Sunday) for Hawkwind, but I don't think they're the band in the club.... I doubt the movie is availible commercially. Christian From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Jun 28 04:34:16 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:34:16 +0100 Subject: OFF-TOPIC: UK Post Office In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, William Fuller wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Martyn White wrote: > > > >So much for the feelgood factor: England lost to Germany, the fucking > > >tube & post office are on strike, and I've just been lumbered with a > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Oh shit! Does this mean that letters I am sending to the > > UK are not getting through. This is VERY important for me to know. > > Can someone send me information about this, please! > > I am in the same situation. (Have a trade going via mail). If anyone knows > the specifics of the strike, please tell me also. Thanks. Ooops, didn't mean to cause so much concern. Post Office workers are engaged in a series of one-day stoppages, but not on strike full-time -- so mail to/from other countries is still getting through but with the possibility of delays. Dave From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 28 05:32:11 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:32:11 +0100 Subject: HW videos??? In-Reply-To: <199606280313.WAA08265@deliverator.io.com> Message-ID: In message <199606280313.WAA08265 at deliverator.io.com>, Hawkwind writes >Someone, somewhere should have a copy of Hawkwind miming to 'Quark, >Strangeness & Charm' on Marc Bolan's TV Pop Show from the '70's. I saw that years ago when they re-ran "Marc". Correct me if I'm wrong but Dave wasn't on it, right? Bob was entertaining, though AFAICR. -- Jon Browne From D.M.Bottomley at LBORO.AC.UK Fri Jun 28 10:50:15 1996 From: D.M.Bottomley at LBORO.AC.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:50:15 BST Subject: HW videos??? Message-ID: At 10:32 28/06/96 +0100, you wrote: >In message <199606280313.WAA08265 at deliverator.io.com>, Hawkwind > writes >>Someone, somewhere should have a copy of Hawkwind miming to 'Quark, >>Strangeness & Charm' on Marc Bolan's TV Pop Show from the '70's. > >I saw that years ago when they re-ran "Marc". Correct me if I'm wrong >but Dave wasn't on it, right? Bob was entertaining, though AFAICR. Correct. As I recall, Calvert "played" the guitar parts, including close-up during solo (fortunately brief on this version!). I heard that Brock didn't want to appear on the show if they had to mime, so claimed his car had broken down on the way to the studio and didn't show up! Does anyone know if this true? As I'm (very) new to all of this, and clearly not sufficently intelligent to work it out, could someone please explain 'AFAICR'. Cheers. Dave Bottomley From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jun 28 05:57:36 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:57:36 +0200 Subject: HW videos/AFAICR Message-ID: David Bottomley wrote: > > As I'm (very) new to all of this, and clearly not sufficently intelligent to > work it out, could someone please explain 'AFAICR'. Cheers. > Dave Bottomley As far as I can remember it means.....uh..... Christian (the short-term memory no attention-span man) BTW, is the color picture of a Calvert on the web-site from the TV appearance? It looks like a TV close-up still. From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 28 12:23:30 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:23:30 BST Subject: HW videos??? In-Reply-To: Hawkwind's message of Thu, 27 Jun 1996 22:13:12 -0500 Message-ID: Hawkwind writes: > Someone, somewhere should have a copy of Hawkwind miming to 'Quark, > Strangeness & Charm' on Marc Bolan's TV Pop Show from the '70's. Yep. > There is HW performing 'Silver Machine' live on Top of the Pops, complete > with bubble machine. I have about 90 seconds of this. There are rumours that someone in Italy has a much longer segment. > There is also reported to be a clip of them playing in a club in the film of > Moorcock's 'Final Programe', although I'm buggered if I could find it. It's there *very* briefly in the UK version of the film when Jerry tries to buy a Harrier jumpjet and some napalm from ????? in the pinball parlour. Hawkwind are briefly seen in bizarre costumes playing in the background. > Yours, > Star_rats Cheers FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 28 12:26:25 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:26:25 BST Subject: HW videos??? In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:32:11 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In message <199606280313.WAA08265 at deliverator.io.com>, Hawkwind > writes > >Someone, somewhere should have a copy of Hawkwind miming to 'Quark, > >Strangeness & Charm' on Marc Bolan's TV Pop Show from the '70's. > > I saw that years ago when they re-ran "Marc". Correct me if I'm wrong > but Dave wasn't on it, right? Bob was entertaining, though AFAICR. Bob had a plastic parrot on his shoulder. I heard this was called "Dave" and that Brock had refused to go on the show because of the requirement to mime. Could be rumour but it does seem to fit the situation and the characters... > Jon Browne FoFP From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Jun 28 07:37:29 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr Pepper (they call me Mister Pibb)) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:37:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Bolan show In-Reply-To: <9606281226.aa05464@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, M Holmes wrote: > > Bob had a plastic parrot on his shoulder. I heard this was called "Dave" > and that Brock had refused to go on the show because of the requirement > to mime. > ISTR that there was a video of this at the Hawkon, and I thought that Bob had a bird on his wrist. Mike w From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Jun 27 06:36:35 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 06:36:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Summer Solstice in Cleveland Message-ID: > >I thought I'd post a short review of what went on last Saturday night at the >Phantasy Night Club in Cleveland, OH. I've waited a few days, so as not to >take your attention away from all the fabulous reviews of the Brixton & >Guildford HW shows... :) > >Synth intro >Choose Your Masques >Orgone Accumulator >The 5th Second Of Forever >Dust of Time I must say that this song was the highlight of the set, very well done. >The Demented Man >Starflight >Ejection >Heads >The Watcher >Free Fall >Robot >Uncle Sam's on Mars >'Urban Guerilla/Lord of Light' jam >Hassan I Sahba > >Highlights for me were the 'T5SoF/DoT' excerpt from Levitation....brilliant!! >and the Choose Your Masques intro (I don't think they did this one before). They did CYM at the Feb. show if I am not mistaken. >came on periodically. Stew Orr (the Wizard) was there again, trying to light >the stage afire, and making it generally very warm in the club....I wish he >would come up with some new tricks, or change his name to the 'Arsonist' or >something - it's a bit old now. And the 'artist' that was there in February It was way too hot in there for the fireball guy. He started to get very annoying after about the 25th time he "poofed" a fireball. I thought he was going to catch himself on fire, which at first did not seem to be a good thing, after he became annoying, we were kinda hoping that it happened just to get him to go away. THis efect lost it's appeal very quickly, and there is no need for him to be doing this during EVERY song that was played. HW has fireaters, but I believe they only perform during a couple songs, not the entire setlist! Actually, I am convinced that "Stew" was casting spells during the fire performance. Is he a wizard in the sense of white or black magic? >I couldn't hang around much past midnight as I had to head westward, so I only >stayed for about 20 minutes of the F/i set. I had seen them on NYE anyway, and >thought that they were only average. Nothing's changed in my mind about them - >they still do the same heavy, slow, grundgy, instrumental material with their >own psychedelic flair. Doesn't excite me all that much. > I concur on this also. For what they do, it's well done, and sounds good, but I couldn't help but think that each song lacked any developement. Every song sounded like a very long intro and ended instead of continuing into the main body of the song. It got boring fast. Then again, by this time the human fireball had really gotten on our nerves, and this affected my enjoyment of the real performers on stage. >I saw a few folks I knew, like Jim Collins and Mike from Chicago (ToE folks), >Scott and Louise, of course, Rick S. who's a list member, and I met Duane there >as well, but couldn't talk long as I had to take off. I thought I may have >seen Wylie at one point, but then I never saw that person again. It's a small >place, so you can't hardly miss someone. Pleased to meetcha! It's good to put a face on the names of people I talk to in here. I apologize for not being very talkative, as I was suffering the effects of some fungi that I had devoured earlier;-) I am in the process of arranging to get soundboard tapes of this show and the Feb. show. I'll keep everyone posted on this if it happens. Oh, a question for all on the list. There was a concert poster on display from HW's ASAM tour. It was red letters in a "Germanic"style. Does anyone now were I can get one? If anyone has one for sale, drop me a line with what it would cost, etc. See ya, Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 28 05:28:05 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:28:05 +0100 Subject: OFF-TOPIC: UK Post Office In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , William Fuller writes >On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Martyn White wrote: > >> >So much for the feelgood factor: England lost to Germany, the fucking >> >tube & post office are on strike, and I've just been lumbered with a >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Oh shit! Does this mean that letters I am sending to the >> UK are not getting through. This is VERY important for me to know. >> Can someone send me information about this, please! > >I am in the same situation. (Have a trade going via mail). If anyone knows >the specifics of the strike, please tell me also. Thanks. > >-- >William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu It's essentially a one-day stoppage. The backlog should only take a couple of days to clear. It's a pig if you're waiting for a cheque but international tape traders should only add a couple of days to their ETA's. :) -- Jon Browne From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Jun 28 08:52:53 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 22:52:53 +1000 Subject: OFF: So, anyway, these two baby seals walk into a club.... In-Reply-To: <31D39565.6B42@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > Sorry, just had to share that one :-) > > Thud, > > Christian > Watch out dude! Those animal libbers are serious these days! Troy COOOOOL JOKE :) From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Jun 28 08:56:03 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 22:56:03 +1000 Subject: HW videos/AFAICR In-Reply-To: <31D3AC90.6696@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > David Bottomley wrote: > > > > > As I'm (very) new to all of this, and clearly not sufficently intelligent to > > work it out, could someone please explain 'AFAICR'. Cheers. > > Dave Bottomley > > > As far as I can remember it means.....uh..... > > Christian (the short-term memory no attention-span man) > > > BTW, is the color picture of a Calvert on the web-site from the TV > appearance? It looks like a TV close-up still. > It is similar to DILLIGAF. Troy (cryptoman) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jun 28 10:34:09 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:34:09 EST Subject: AB on BOC-L vs. AOL Message-ID: > > Former active listmember (now lurker in digest mode) Adrian Brevard asked me > to post some of his thoughts on the recent BOC-L vs. AOL discussion. I > think it may be a moot point since it would appear that most have already > taken his advice anyway (including a few listmembers reminding me to chill > out - which I appreciate). It does not appear to me that we are about to No need to chill John. Everyone's entitled to flip out from time to time. That's part of the coolness of BOC-L! But anyway, tell AB to get out of lurker mode and start writing some good shit for BOC-L. His presence is misssed! > get into another major debate about the 2 groups (a good thing, since we > really are all on the same side when you think about it). Anyways, his True. We're all BOC fans, and I think tBS/Al fans as well, though the aol folks seem, at least from what little I've read, to be a little lukewarm towards Al. The only point of departure seems to be that the aol folks don't like to get critical about BOC. I don't think it means you're disloyal simply 'cause you criticize a band you like. It's your right considering all the personal investment of time/resources you've made in pursuing the group, and I believe we criticise more out of frustration over how truly great the band could be. Also, the fact that they steadfastly refuse to get any new material out for us makes everyone unhappy. And, I suspect the group's pretty frustrated too... > thoughts follow. > > John > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen: > > Please do not get caught up in the AOL v. BOC-L dispute of for that > matter tBS v. 3OC. These are all fruitless arguments. > > Both lists provide useful information, intelligent dialog (well > sometimes) and basically a forum for people to lay out their opinions. > AOL has Buck & Eric and BOC-L has Al. Both are great lists for what > they do, however they differ from each other to the point that > comparisons are moot. > > As for tBS and 3OC I doubt that either of these groups really cares what > the other is doing. Whether or not they sincerely wish the other well Oh, I imagine they keep pretty good track of each other, esp. given the comparative visability they enjoy. Don't you still think about old girlfriends, old bands you were in etc? Does it occupy their thoughts all the time? Of course not, but I'm sure they all keep their ears open. > or harm is immaterial to the inhabitants of both services and a private > matter. I+m sure Al+s decision to form tBS was motivated solely by his True! That's private, and could hardly be improved by our tampering/speculation/etc... > desire to create an outlet for his talents, no hidden agenda. 3OC Absolutely! Al's a player, it's what he does best, and he's strictly out to make music. Case closed! > decision to sign with a German record company is simply a business > decision and nothing more. I cannot fathom any other possible, logical > reason that could suggest otherwise. > Right! I'm just glad they finally made a contract. Now PLEASE, get us a record, and a great one at that! > Let this one die a quiet death people there are much worthier topics to > be discussed. Such as tBS new CD, goading Albert into doing a live one > (how about it big guy?) Hawkwind+s tour and countless other things which > make the digest too large to for my mail system to display everything. > Right on! With the advent of a new tBS record, that should be the buzz on BOC-L rather than any petty backstabbing. Al, how 'bout more info on the new one, to help fuel our own creative fires? > Glad to hear Robo is alive and well. > Right! > Peace folks. > > AB Glad to hear AB's doing well too. Get out of lurker mode, dude! theo From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jun 28 11:15:43 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:15:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: So, anyway, these two baby seals walk into a club.... In-Reply-To: <31D39565.6B42@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > Sorry, just had to share that one :-) My, that was so achingly hilarious I nearly cried. Hey boy, got any good Norwegian whaling jokes? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Neil Young, _Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From stayer at PI.NET Fri Jun 28 01:59:13 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 22:59:13 PDT Subject: OFF: Techno (was: What's Progressive?) Message-ID: >>Not the way most people think of it (at least in the U.S.). In general, >>what we call "techno" is not head music but gonad music. I have been to >>a couple of clubs and I have seen on TV and heard plenny about what goes >>on at raves (some raves, anyway), and it seems to me that most techno is >>merely background noise for humping. [No, I didn't misspell "thumping", >>though that's true too. :)] Ever heard of Lords of Acid? >Now what's wrong with songs titled Let's Get High and I Sit On Acid :) >Of course listening to The Crab Louse might make you think twice about >that humping. Call me lazy, but I don't really like movement just for the sake of movement. (Someone once said that that is the ultimate infertility.) Why would I need some kind of music (?) or synthetic drugs to keep my adrenline or energy go in the red? I need some things to slow me down! :-) Jerry From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Jun 28 11:50:33 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:50:33 -0400 Subject: OFF: So, anyway, these two baby seals walk into a club.... Message-ID: >Paul. > >obCD: Neil Young, _Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere_ Hey, Paul. Funnily enough, the CD that I have been playing the most lately is Neil Young: "Sleeps with Angels" Good relaxing laid back late night music Martyn From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jun 28 11:51:08 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:51:08 +0200 Subject: OFF: So, anyway, these two baby seals walk into a club.... Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > Sorry, just had to share that one :-) > > My, that was so achingly hilarious I nearly cried. Hey boy, got any good > Norwegian whaling jokes? > No, but I'd love to hear any.... so, anyway, (this one's for the americans) why does everybody want O.J. over for turkey on Thanksgiving? From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri Jun 28 12:56:37 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:56:37 +0000 Subject: Advice on list protocol Message-ID: Soniqu? As you may remember I am fairly new to this list, could you help me ? what do people mean when they put something like obCD: Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_ At the bottom of their messages ? Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Jun 28 11:39:12 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:39:12 -0500 Subject: HW videos??? Message-ID: At 10:32 AM 6/28/96 +0100, you wrote: >In message <199606280313.WAA08265 at deliverator.io.com>, Hawkwind > writes >>Someone, somewhere should have a copy of Hawkwind miming to 'Quark, >>Strangeness & Charm' on Marc Bolan's TV Pop Show from the '70's. > >I saw that years ago when they re-ran "Marc". Correct me if I'm wrong >but Dave wasn't on it, right? Bob was entertaining, though AFAICR. Correct, Dave objected to miming and refused to appear. Calvert sported a huge false parrot, if I remember correctly. Yours, Star_rats From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri Jun 28 14:14:48 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:14:48 U Subject: OFF: So, anyway, these two baby seals walk into a club.... Message-ID: >> Sorry, just had to share that one :-) >> >> Thud, >> >> Christian >> > Watch out dude! Those animal libbers are serious these days! > > Troy > > COOOOOL JOKE :) Oooooooolllld joke!!! :-) (But still one of my faves) The all time fave of course is the one with the punch line; "Never f**k around with my granddad when he's pissed." Either that, or the one about the rudest limerick of all time. :-) Cheers, Rich. ** You are what you drink - and I'm a bitter man ** From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri Jun 28 14:19:53 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:19:53 U Subject: HW videos/AFAICR Message-ID: >> >> BTW, is the color picture of a Calvert on the web-site from the TV >> appearance? It looks like a TV close-up still. >> Dunno, but it look either incredibly cool or bloody awful when blown up into wallpaper (depending on your point of view). *grin* Cheers, Rich. ** You are what you drink - and I'm a bitter man ** From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Jun 28 15:26:36 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:26:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: Jokes Message-ID: OK, its Friday afternoon, three hours without a BOC-L post and at least an hour until I can have a beer SO......... Won't someone fill in tha blanks on the two incomplete jokes that were posted earlier What shouldn't you do to Grandad when he's pissed? Why should you invite OJ to Xmas dinner? Inquring minds want to know Martyn Obtheoryoftheday> Maybe Bob Netherton came back and broke the list again :-) From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Jun 28 16:03:16 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:03:16 -0400 Subject: Virtual Stonehenge Message-ID: Want to watch the sun break over stonehenge on the summer solstice. Check out: http://www.intel.com/techone/stonehen/ hmmmm, I woder if Hawkwind will be playing ;-) Martyn From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 28 21:17:08 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:17:08 BST Subject: Virtual Stonehenge In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:03:16 -0400 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > Want to watch the sun break over stonehenge on the > summer solstice. Check out: http://www.intel.com/techone/stonehen/ > > hmmmm, I woder if Hawkwind will be playing ;-) > Yeah - they should definitely have Hawkwind on offer as an optional background soundtrack jill (the much travelled) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk "Death Is Nature's Way of Saying Slow Down" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 28 21:20:45 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:20:45 BST Subject: Advice on list protocol [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: Andy Cobley's message of Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:56:37 +0000 Message-ID: Andy Cobley writes: > Soniqu=E9 > > As you may remember I am fairly new to this list, could you help me ? > what do people mean when they put something like > > obCD: Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_ > > At the bottom of their messages ? > > Andy C > -- = > Another FAQ 8-) Ob is obligatory (blame Steve Swann again!) He got it from the grunge board and it was adopted here as a way of indicating favourite other albums (apart from Hawkwind and BOC) without extoling them at length as off-topic discussions. It has expanded over time into the occasional personal comment as well! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk "Death Is Nature's Way of Saying Slow Down" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 28 21:24:41 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:24:41 BST Subject: HW videos??? In-Reply-To: Hawkwind's message of Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:39:12 -0500 Message-ID: Hawkwind writes: > At 10:32 AM 6/28/96 +0100, you wrote: > >In message <199606280313.WAA08265 at deliverator.io.com>, Hawkwind > > writes > >>Someone, somewhere should have a copy of Hawkwind miming to 'Quark, > >>Strangeness & Charm' on Marc Bolan's TV Pop Show from the '70's. > > > >I saw that years ago when they re-ran "Marc". Correct me if I'm wrong > >but Dave wasn't on it, right? Bob was entertaining, though AFAICR. > > > Correct, Dave objected to miming and refused to appear. Calvert sported a > huge false parrot, if I remember correctly. > And somebody (was it Calvert?) also had on an enormous motorcyclist's leather glove with which he "played" a guitar by way of exaggerating the mime - at least I'm sure I remember this. Damn I'll have to recheck the video now.... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk "Death Is Nature's Way of Saying Slow Down" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jun 28 13:58:18 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:58:18 EST Subject: O.J., Reagan, and the Pope walk into a bar... Message-ID: > Paul Mather wrote: > > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > Sorry, just had to share that one :-) > > > > My, that was so achingly hilarious I nearly cried. Hey boy, got any good > > Norwegian whaling jokes? > > > > > No, but I'd love to hear any.... so, anyway, (this one's for the > americans) why does everybody want O.J. over for turkey on Thanksgiving? I dunno...Maybe he can bring his own carving knife? From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jun 28 14:00:19 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 13:00:19 EST Subject: Advice on list protocol Message-ID: > > As you may remember I am fairly new to this list, could you help me ? > what do people mean when they put something like > > obCD: Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_ > > At the bottom of their messages ? > > Andy C > -- = > I think it stands for 'obligitory.' It's a way of showing what's on one's mind at the time. The person wants you to know that they think Hawkwind's 'Space Ritual' is a cool thing to listen to! theo From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Jun 28 16:35:09 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:35:09 -0400 Subject: OFF: list etiquette In-Reply-To: <9606281926.AA00800@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Jun 28, 96 03:26:36 pm Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > > OK, its Friday afternoon, three hours without a BOC-L > post and at least an hour until I can have a beer SO......... > > Won't someone fill in tha blanks on the two incomplete > jokes that were posted earlier > > What shouldn't you do to Grandad when he's pissed? > > Why should you invite OJ to Xmas dinner? > > Inquring minds want to know Ummmm.... guys? The OFF: indicator is for topics that are marginally off topic, like bands that we like, but don't have a BOC/Hawkwind connection. Or books/movies etc that we think might be of some relevance. But OJ jokes, baby seal jokes, (football scores!) etc... no matter how screamingly funny they may (or may not) be, just don't belong here. If you think that people absolutely must read them, tack them in your signature line at the end of a post about Buck's guitar technique, or Calvert's poetical infuences. Steve Chief Whip, BOC-L Topicality party swann at panix.com From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jun 28 19:18:07 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 19:18:07 -0400 Subject: Advice on list protocol In-Reply-To: <50DA32C63@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > I think it stands for 'obligitory.' It's a way of showing what's on > one's mind at the time. The person wants you to know that they think > Hawkwind's 'Space Ritual' is a cool thing to listen to! Or, simply, to indicate what they're listening to at the time (or have been listening to recently). But your definition is the primary meaning. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Superseeder_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sat Jun 29 02:12:24 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:12:24 -0500 Subject: Advice on list protocol In-Reply-To: <9606282120.aa26491@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, J Strobridge wrote: > Ob is obligatory (blame Steve Swann again!) He got it from the grunge > board and it was adopted here as a way of indicating favourite other > albums (apart from Hawkwind and BOC) without extoling them at length as > off-topic discussions. It has expanded over time into the occasional > personal comment as well! Apparently, "Ob" has also permeated into the Usenet Oracle. (Sorry, the INTERNET Oracle.) We're supposed to grovel before asking our questions, like "O great Oracle, whose knowledge could fill even Cyrano de Bergerac's nasal cavities, please ponder this insignificant supplicant's query." However, some of us have just gotten lazy and now start with "ObGrovel". I'm sure you're impressed. :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Sat Jun 29 02:23:07 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 23:23:07 -0700 Subject: in this corner...Albert Message-ID: > 3OC...I can't believe that >they wouldn't do anything possible to bring Al back. Do they >actually think the band is better without Al and Joe? Why don't 3OC get a rythm section that has some songs to contribute instead of these hacks they keep getting. It's swell to get the 5th bass player from Poco, and the drummer from Twisted Sister or whoever the hell they've got in there now, but I wonder if they'd be better served finding some guys with songwriting talent that recalls the earlier stuff in feel if not subject matter or sound (I'm not for anybody rehashing the glory days- why become Styx?) SP from PDX. "She reminds of Paul Revere's Ride...a little light in the belfry." -Foghorn Leghorn From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 28 13:29:27 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 18:29:27 +0100 Subject: HW videos/AFAICR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Troy Harris writes > It is similar to DILLIGAF. > > Troy (cryptoman) I've always liked ROTFLSHIPMP :) -- Jon Browne From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sat Jun 29 09:39:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 08:39:00 -0500 Subject: Love in space Message-ID: I just borrowed the Love in pace CD from Chris Raymond and it has two disc 2. I thought I had heard that someone had reported a version with two disc 1?? Anyway, what I heard I was quite impressed with. The version of Xenomorph is great.. The synth fills between nearly every song slow the overall energy, but the songs are good and the production quality i stellar.. I wonder how much is studio overdubs..? Does anyone yet know where it was recorded?? ObCD- Groundhogs- Solid ObCassette- Allman Brothers- Phiily 5./22/95 From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sat Jun 29 10:57:11 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 07:57:11 -0700 Subject: BOC: WebSites? Message-ID: Hello.. Thought I'd come out of lurk mode here and ask you all about BOC websites. I am developing a music page which will include a BOC section and I'd like to include some links to a few of the better BOC sites. The ones I used to know seem to be gone.. So if you have a BOC related web site or know the URL to a good one, please mail it to me or post it on the list... Thanks in advance! Oh and while my site is not complete yet (especially the music page), if you'd like to check it out, see the address below in my sig.. Keep those ears meltin' and eyes burnin'... _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "What ever you do, | | < *http://www2.connectnet.com/~jbrooks | take care of your |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | shoes" -- Phish From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jun 29 05:47:18 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 10:47:18 +0100 Subject: Virtual Stonehenge In-Reply-To: <9606282117.aa24954@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: >Martyn White writes: > >> Want to watch the sun break over stonehenge on the >> summer solstice. Check out: http://www.intel.com/techone/stonehen/ >> >> hmmmm, I woder if Hawkwind will be playing ;-) >> No, it'll be Cardiacs at dawn. Hawkwind for 5 hours either side but actually at dawn the Hawks will be over at the stones too. At least, Alan will. I can't see Dave. ;) ........I think I'm going to cry. -- Jon Browne From hdboc at TELEVAR.COM Sat Jun 29 12:07:29 1996 From: hdboc at TELEVAR.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 09:07:29 -0700 Subject: BOC: WebSites? Message-ID: Joseph, I have a B?C web site at http://j-and-a.com/boc.html It also includes all the other B?C sites I know of. I'll add yours too. Also, concerning the comment about the B?C bass players and drummers. In my opinion, they will never be able to replace Al as he is the greatest, however Danny Miranda was selected after auditions were held. I don't know about his song writing ability, but he sure brings enthusiasm to the stage and his bass playing is great. Jack Joseph Brooks wrote: > > Hello.. Thought I'd come out of lurk mode here and ask you all about BOC > websites. I am developing a music page which will include a BOC section and > I'd like to include some links to a few of the better BOC sites. The ones I > used to know seem to be gone.. > > So if you have a BOC related web site or know the URL to a good one, please > mail it to me or post it on the list... Thanks in advance! > > Oh and while my site is not complete yet (especially the music page), if > you'd like to check it out, see the address below in my sig.. > > Keep those ears meltin' and eyes burnin'... > _ > | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "What ever you do, > | | < *http://www2.connectnet.com/~jbrooks | take care of your > |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | shoes" -- Phish From mumford at EUNET.NO Sat Jun 29 14:38:06 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:38:06 +0200 Subject: OFF: Jokes/last one! Really! Message-ID: >Martyn inquiered: > > Why should you invite OJ to Xmas dinner? > > Inquring minds want to know > Because OJ slices up that white meat REEEAAL good! I have a few other good ones, but it seems we've (I've?) been getting a little too far off topic...... aah, whaddahell, what's the difference between OJ and Christopher Reeve? OJ's gonna walk! OK, OK...How about some Hawkwind jokes then? Say, what's the difference between Spinal Tap and Hawkwind? Any humorous answers would do...... (just to justify my breaching the list etiquette.....) How about Stonehenge...? Christian From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 30 07:19:43 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 22:19:43 +1100 Subject: HW: Brixton, Brentwood and onwards Message-ID: On 24 Jun 96 M Holmes wrote about Re: HW: Brixton, Brentwood and onwa: > > enjoy them (though not as knackered as a certain friend of Fernando Poo, who > > seemed to sleep through most of their set :). > > I was enjoying it up until I fell asleep. I guess it was a combination > of travelling, lack of sleep the night before, ten pints of beer, and > quite possibly something I ate ;-) I know you are all expecting a whinge from Down Under ... so here 'tis! Nearly falling asleep during Monster Magnet in March just doesn't compare to falling asleep during the Ozrics *after* HW. Please ignore me while I sob quietly in the corner ..... Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 30 07:19:43 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 22:19:43 +1100 Subject: HW: very close to my home Message-ID: On 22 Jun 96 Carl E. Anderson wrote about Re: HW: very close to my home: > > > Alright!!! Enough gloating. More punishment is dished out on the Aussies. > > > First the BOC gigs, then the BS, and now HW, what is a serious rocker > > >to do? > > > > Easy. start "The Australian Hawks / Brain Surgeons / BOC " > > Actually, there _was_ an Australian Hawklords, or something like > it once! ^^^^ That's *exactly* correct from what I've heard ... just one gig, I didn't know about it :( Sonique (still sobbing quietly) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 30 07:19:43 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 22:19:43 +1100 Subject: OFF: Bauhaus (was Re: HW: Paradiso, Amsterdam) Message-ID: On 21 Jun 96 Andrew A. Apold wrote about Re: HW: Paradiso, Amsterdam: > > Only for the flight so far....don't tell me...it's sold out or > > something. What was it a certain band once sang, "paraNOIA, > > paraNOIA, paraNOIA". > > More than one band did that. I actually prefer the Bauhaus > "Paranoia, Paranoia" song out of the candidates... Which reminds me .... The Covers Tapes have Pere Ubu's "Final Solution" (which was also recorded by Pete Murphy of Bauhaus on a solo album). Why? Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Sun Jun 30 11:37:14 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 16:37:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: So, anyway, these two baby seals walk into a club.... Message-ID: >>> >> Watch out dude! Those animal libbers are serious these days! >> >> Troy To quote the great Jerry Sadowitz..."The Animal Liberation Front fucked up this week...I found a note in with my Mars Bar saying "Warning : this poison has been injected with nutrients"". Ho ho ho. As for Norwegian whaling jokes...well the whole bleedin' lot of their boats sinking would put a smile on my face...(oops, gonna start trouble again!) Dave From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Sun Jun 30 11:40:47 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 16:40:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: Ooops Message-ID: Oops, I meant to delete that last post not send it. Sorry! Still not recovered from a fine night out on the tiles! Dave From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sun Jun 30 11:42:38 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 08:42:38 -0700 Subject: BOC: WebSites? Message-ID: At 09:07 AM 6/29/96 -0700, you wrote: >Joseph, > >I have a B?C web site at http://j-and-a.com/boc.html >It also includes all the other B?C sites I know of. I'll add yours too. Ok, its finally up, though still not complete.. Not just about BOC either but if you care to add a link, I appreciate it.. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "What ever you do, | | < *http://www2.connectnet.com/~jbrooks | take care of your |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | shoes" -- Phish From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sun Jun 30 14:06:47 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 14:06:47 -0400 Subject: ON: Jokes Message-ID: My favorite Hawkwind joke was in one of the episodes of "The Young Ones". The TV broadcast day has finished and the TV is emitting a monotonous whining sound. Neil starts grooving to it and says "yeah,.... Hawkwind". Martyn From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 30 14:25:18 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 19:25:18 +0100 Subject: ON: Jokes In-Reply-To: <9606301806.AA02607@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Jun 30, 96 02:06:47 pm Message-ID: > My favorite Hawkwind joke was in one of the episodes > of "The Young Ones". The TV broadcast day has finished and the > TV is emitting a monotonous whining sound. Neil starts grooving > to it and says "yeah,.... Hawkwind". This is as good a time as any to remind people that the word "HAWKWIND" is prominently displayed on a chalkboard during the opening credits of the first season _The Young Ones_ episodes (the segments with Vyv). :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sun Jun 30 15:03:48 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 15:03:48 -0400 Subject: HW: very close to my home Message-ID: > >On 22 Jun 96 Carl E. Anderson wrote about Re: HW: very close to my >home: > >> > > Alright!!! Enough gloating. More punishment is dished out on the Aussies. >> > > First the BOC gigs, then the BS, and now HW, what is a serious rocker >> > >to do? >> > >> > Easy. start "The Australian Hawks / Brain Surgeons / BOC " >> >> Actually, there _was_ an Australian Hawklords, or something like >> it once! > ^^^^ > >That's *exactly* correct from what I've heard ... just one gig, I >didn't know about it :( > >Sonique (still sobbing quietly) > Check out the songs they do on the Hawkwind Covers All tapes. Pretty decent as HW cover bands go. Is/was there any listmembers that are/were part of the Austrailian Hawklords? Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Sun Jun 30 17:16:15 1996 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:16:15 -0800 Subject: ON: Jokes In-Reply-To: <9606301806.AA02607@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Martyn White wrote: > My favorite Hawkwind joke was in one of the episodes > of "The Young Ones". The TV broadcast day has finished and the > TV is emitting a monotonous whining sound. Neil starts grooving > to it and says "yeah,.... Hawkwind". The way I remember it (and this may be from a different episode), Neil is upset at the Vivian's choice of music and makes a whining suggestion: "Hey... guuuuuuys... why don't we put on some Hawkwind or Marillion!" -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 30 21:36:51 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:36:51 +1100 Subject: HW: Brixton, Brentwood and onwards Message-ID: On 1 Jul 96 Martyn Lawrence wrote about Re: HW: Brixton, Brentwood and onwa: > > > > Nearly falling asleep during Monster Magnet in March just doesn't > > compare to falling asleep during the Ozrics *after* HW. > > > > Please ignore me while I sob quietly in the corner ..... > > > Paul,went to Hammersmith in 1984 ,when Mooorcock and lemmy played with the band. > One of my mates didnt catch the opening ,so wasn't convinced that Moorcock had > appeared ,then promptly fell asleep til the end of the gig.We tried to wake him when lemmy appeared but to no avail. That's one thing I'd never do ... no matter how ill I was at the time! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly!