From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Jul 1 12:32:39 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:32:39 EST Subject: HW: very close to my home In-Reply-To: <199606301903.AA29066@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu>; from "Duane Hoyt" at Jul 1, 96 03:03:48 pm Message-ID: > > > >That's *exactly* correct from what I've heard ... just one gig, I > >didn't know about it :( > > > >Sonique (still sobbing quietly) > > > Check out the songs they do on the Hawkwind Covers All tapes. Pretty decent > as HW cover bands go. Is/was there any listmembers that are/were part > of the Austrailian Hawklords? > Not as far as I know ,but I did go to the gig in question. Twas a dark and stormy night,I had just received a letter from someone in the uk mentioning that there was supposed to be a Hawkwind cover band in Melbourne.Lo and behold I checked the music papers the next day and saw the name HAWKLORDS. Well they played for about 1 hour,and some of it was good and some of it not so good.I guess after seeing the real thing forty odd times,and then comparing them to the local outfit is not fair.They were a 5 piece 2 guitars,1 bass,1 drums,1 keys. The had a backdrop which was painted fluro,with Hawklords written on it in the style of the CYM album. I do remember that lost chronicles was good,but to me they sounded to heavy metal,and didn't have enough swooshy noises,I did think about having a chat to them,but my companion was whinging to go home. I have looked for them again but have never seen them in the papers again.I believe that they only played 2 gigs,since they were in other bands and did the hawklords gigs for a bit of fun. One satisfying note that there were the obligatory freaks in the crowd,one guy even had the LAB coat,and I guess there were about 25 people there. What was strange the very next day while driving down the road near my home I noticed a space bandits t-shirt.Didn't stop so never found out who the guy was or where he had bought it. regards Marty obTape:Hawkwind Preston 1979 - levitation -thanks bernhard From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Jul 1 13:17:56 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:17:56 EST Subject: HW: Brixton, Brentwood and onwards In-Reply-To: <199606301021.UAA25823@hyme.pcmicro.com.au>; from "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=" at Jul 1, 96 10:19:43 pm Message-ID: > > Nearly falling asleep during Monster Magnet in March just doesn't > compare to falling asleep during the Ozrics *after* HW. > > Please ignore me while I sob quietly in the corner ..... > Paul,went to Hammersmith in 1984 ,when Mooorcock and lemmy played with the band. One of my mates didnt catch the opening ,so wasn't convinced that Moorcock had appeared ,then promptly fell asleep til the end of the gig.We tried to wake him when lemmy appeared but to no avail. He didn't believe a word that lemmy had appeared a played with the band for about 40 mins.Twas only when I got hold of a tape of the gig and played it too him he believed it,then he called us bastards for not waking him. Do NOt panic. regards Marty From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Jul 1 15:53:33 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:53:33 EST Subject: [off] PTree NY live online (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at Jun 24, 96 11:13:23 am Message-ID: > Subject: Live Cybercast of New York gig > > SonicNet will be cybercasting Porcupine Tree's gig in New York on 27th June > LIVE - time is about 9pm EST (or around 2am the morning of the 28th for us > UK insomniacs). > > Check out the details at: > http://www.sonicnet.com/sonicore/ > > Did anyone catch this ? regards Marty From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Mon Jul 1 04:40:14 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:40:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: Neil Young In-Reply-To: <199606290900.KAA28982@listserv.rl.ac.uk> Message-ID: From: Martyn White >Paul. > >obCD: Neil Young, _Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere_ Hey, Paul. Funnily enough, the CD that I have been playing the most lately is Neil Young: "Sleeps with Angels" Good relaxing laid back late night music You forgot to add the ;) sign after that statement.. but yeah right Martyn - there you are all relaxed and ready to slip off to the land of nod then all of a sudden.... "boomboombangbang... Trying to save the trees Bought a plastic bag The bottom fell out It was a piece of Crap... Chorus "Piece of Crap" [shouted not sung] ObLateNightAlbum: 'After the Goldrush'! Maxine From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 1 10:32:17 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:32:17 BST Subject: HW: Brixton, Brentwood and onwards In-Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?='s message of Sun, 30 Jun 1996 22:19:43 +1100 Message-ID: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?= writes: > On 24 Jun 96 M Holmes wrote about Re: HW: Brixton, Brentwood and > onwa: > > > > enjoy them (though not as knackered as a certain friend of Fernando Poo, who > > > seemed to sleep through most of their set :). > > > > I was enjoying it up until I fell asleep. I guess it was a combination > > of travelling, lack of sleep the night before, ten pints of beer, and > > quite possibly something I ate ;-) > > I know you are all expecting a whinge from Down Under ... so here > 'tis! > > Nearly falling asleep during Monster Magnet in March just doesn't > compare to falling asleep during the Ozrics *after* HW. > > Please ignore me while I sob quietly in the corner ..... It's strange but Ozric Tentacles seem to help me sleep. I remember one Glastonbury when I'd been going strong for about four days on the trot and the Ozrics played the Circus Tent one afternoon. Myself, gf, and a pal were positioned more or less against a speaker. I leaned my head against it at the start of the gig and thought "mmmm, this is nice..." and closed my eyes for a minute. Next thing I knew my gf was shaking me and telling me the gig was over. Mike "They should bottle it and sell it I tell ya" Holmes From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Jul 1 06:06:04 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 06:06:04 -0400 Subject: HW:Bargain of the day Message-ID: Hello all Hawkfriends, I just had to tell you all about what I found over the weekend. I went to my local Record Exchange and there on the shelf was a box of HW's ASAM release by Griffin with the Time of the Hawklords book. The box was a bit smashed on the bottom, and it was priced at $15. Being a shop that deals in used music, I assumed it was a used item. Boy was I surprised to open it and find a brand new, still factory shrink-wrapped cd, and the book was brand new also. I have a question about the cd though. The three previously unreleased tracks all sound as if they were recorded about the same time as the rest of the lp. (similarities in chords in Honky Dorky, and similar in style too). Is there any known reasons why none of these three songs never made it on the original release? Also, does the Griffin release of Q,S,aC with the Queens of Delerium book have any unreleased tracks on it? See you all in the Mutation Zone, Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 1 11:34:37 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:34:37 BST Subject: HW:Bargain of the day In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Mon, 1 Jul 1996 06:06:04 -0400 Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > Hello all Hawkfriends, > > I just had to tell you all about what I found over the weekend. > I went to my local Record Exchange and there on the shelf was a > box of HW's ASAM release by Griffin with the Time of the Hawklords > book. The box was a bit smashed on the bottom, and it was priced at > $15. Being a shop that deals in used music, I assumed it was a used > item. Boy was I surprised to open it and find a brand new, still > factory shrink-wrapped cd, and the book was brand new also. > I have a question about the cd though. The three previously unreleased > tracks all sound as if they were recorded about the same time as the > rest of the lp. (similarities in chords in Honky Dorky, and similar in > style too). Is there any known reasons why none of these three songs > never made it on the original release? Honky Dorky was the B-side of the single of Kerb Crawler from the ASAM album. It's simply the instrumental part of Reefer Madness. Back On The Streets was also released as a 7" around that time and "Dream of Isis" was the b-side. >Also, does the Griffin release > of Q,S,aC with the Queens of Delerium book have any unreleased tracks on > it? Luckily not. FoFP From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 1 13:28:52 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:28:52 BST Subject: OFF: PTree NY live online (fwd) In-Reply-To: Martyn Lawrence's message of Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:53:33 EST Message-ID: Martyn Lawrence writes: > > Subject: Live Cybercast of New York gig > > > > SonicNet will be cybercasting Porcupine Tree's gig in New York on 27th June > > LIVE - time is about 9pm EST (or around 2am the morning of the 28th for us > > UK insomniacs). > Did anyone catch this ? > > regards > > Marty It didn't happen from what I can remember of the PT Transmissions that went through recently. At least it didn't happen at New York (can't remember why now) and they were going to do it at the Baltimore gig instead. I'm not sure if it went ahead here tho' either - there was mention of a confusion of tapes. I think Chuck Johnston is also on the PT email list - maybe he's been reading them with rather more care and attention to detail than my extremely rushed perusals of them have done recently! cheers jill ObObservation (who was clearing huge chunks of filespace in Word for Windows and has managed to delete a large and complex database in the middle of it all and has just discovered that Undelete isn't working for some reason - sigh) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk "Death Is Nature's Way of Saying Slow Down" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Jul 1 10:30:49 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:30:49 EST Subject: OFF: PTree NY live online Message-ID: I've been paying attention to the PTree list, and here is the scoop as best as I can tell: The NYC Record showcase took place alright. Apparently it was an abbreviated set (about 5-6 songs only), and was plagued by both a late start and a mid-set equipment failure. Since this set was apparently _intended_ to be a short set for the record industry pundits, the SonicNet folks and PT decided NOT to cybercast this show (apparently at the last minute). The statement was made by SonicNet that the Baltimore gig (supposedly a full-length set) would be broadcast instead. As of yet, I have seen no sign that this b'cast took place, and there have been no further related postings since the announcement that Baltimore would be broadcast. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From stayer at PI.NET Mon Jul 1 00:15:37 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 21:15:37 PDT Subject: BOC: BOCbase / Andrew Message-ID: Andrew, >To: Andrew Apold FYI, my reply to this address bounced, so I reply via boc-l. >boc gigs - do you want stuff that has been posted >previously on boc-l? I have the set list for >11-30-95 Sunrise, FL, and posted it on BOC-L at >the time.... Yes, please! Anything I can use for BOCgigs. BTW, have you seen it? Thanks, Jerry From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Jul 1 07:43:40 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:43:40 +0000 Subject: HW: no content,but i'm back Message-ID: hi everyone. karyn and i just got back from uk and amsterdam.the shows were... incredible!! i'm sure you've all heard about them already.we met several list members, and all were very cool people.i was a bit too stoned to get to know them well, however.apologies to them all. it seems that i previously mentioned on here that i found ron bastard to be a bit lacking on talent.pass the salt those words are a bit bland. ron has improved dramatically. the band members were all in fantastic spirits at apparently all times.they showed us extreme kindness.dave brock gave us each three tour shirts,all different.caught a ride to the ipswitch show with alan,richard and ron. we will never be the same. would anyone care to fill us in on anything important that may have happened over the last two weeks? thanks rj From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 1 17:22:09 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:22:09 BST Subject: HW: no content,but i'm back In-Reply-To: SKARSOL's message of Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:43:40 +0000 Message-ID: SKARSOL writes: > caught a ride to the ipswitch show with alan,richard and ron. > we will never be the same. Details man, details! > would anyone care to fill us in on anything important that may have > happened over the last two weeks? Clinton announced that he not only inhaled but went to a Hawkwind gig and that welfare claimants will be required to attend at least six shows on the next US tour. Newt Gingrinch has said that this is an amazing coincidence and he's a Hawkwind fan too. Hawkwind will be the first band to play Congress in what's been called The New Bipartisanship. Ron Tree will be formally invited to become King of America. Apart from that it's been pretty quiet. FoFP From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Mon Jul 1 12:31:26 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:31:26 -0400 Subject: OFF: ProgScape '96 Message-ID: Hi Folks... reprinted from the PT-Trans list....for those interested. Keith H. > > Just got back late last night from my brief trip to Baltimore to see Day 1 of > Progscape. It would've been nice to stay for Day 2, but I'd still be driving > as we speak, so that was a little much to ask....plus PTree was the main > attraction for me anyway....duh. > >Well, I'll put in a few brief comments about the other three bands I saw, just > in case people are interested. > > The venue was extremely nice...and old-style ampitheatre complete with > orchestra pit, nice large stage, tremendously high ceilings, lots of fine > woodwork, comfortable seats, and good acoustics. It seated about 750 or so, >but unfortunately it was never much more than half full at any one time. I'll > never understand why so many people choose to listen to crap while there are bands like this to see here and there. The only problem with the venue was the > fact they had the a/c cranked so high it was practically freezing during the > afternoon performances....later, for PTree, it was pretty comfortable. > > OK, so here goes.... > > 1) Echolyn trio... 2:40 - 3:40 > This was an impromptu performance by a band that has actually broken up. >The band who was supposed to start off the festivities was delayed to Day 2 as > their vocalist was still recovering from a bout of laryngitis. I've heard > their last album, 'As the World...', but don't know the songs real well, so I > don't even know how much they played from it. But their set was fairly > enjoyable - sort of 'typical' prog stylings of the 70's. The quality of the >vocals was very good - both the guitarist and bassist had very good voices and > intonation. A nice starter, but not particularly earth-shattering. > > 2) Miriodor (French Canada) 4:20 - 5:40 > These guys were quite unusual, a four-piece band with a complex, often > disjointed writing style. All songs were instrumental, and often featured > different instruments such as clarinet and accordion. Both guitarists played electric guitar and bass, switching off back and forth, although sometimes they > both played guitar, and the bass was either coming from the keyboardist, or a programming gizmo thing the drummer controlled. They had a few minor technical > difficulties with the latter, and they had to drop two songs from the set, including the encore. Instead, they re-played their opening piece from the set > for an encore...that was the first time I've ever seen that happen....it was > ok, though, as that was the best track they did IMHO. I enjoyed their > quirkiness, but sometimes they'd venture off into some atonal thing for a > minute or so, that sounded like just a bunch of noise to me. > > Dinner break..... > > 3) Porcupine Tree (UK) 8:10 - 9:33 > > OK, here was the real deal....not unexpectedly, they came out with TSMS > phase one, and it was a very pleasant start. None of the four bands had any > *real* light show, but PTree's lighting guy did much more with the few things > he got to twiddle than the other bands. Plus, they had neglected to remove > their DAT tape of their linking atmospherics from the machine they borrowed > and returned for the NY show, so each song came to a dead end each time. So > this was certainly different than a *normal* PTree gig I'm sure. > > Also, this crowd behaved more like they were at a classical performance or an > opera rather than a rock concert (Richard mentioned this after the show). >Anyway, none of these things did anything but place more emphasis on the music > itself, which was just fine by me. > > Here was the set list.... > > TSMS Phase one > Waiting > first part of TSMS Phase two (was listed as 'Is Not' on the actual set list - > dunno what that meant) > Radioactive Toy* > Moonloop* > Dislocated Day > Moon touches your shoulder > Always Never > Burning Sky** > ----------- > Signify* > LSD was listed on the set list also, but alas, they didn't get around to > playing it...would've been interesting to see how they re-created the bizarre > vocals. > > The asterisks denote pieces that were particular highlights for me, and the > ** indicates the real standout piece.....Burning Sky was just brilliant live, > which was interesting since it never really stood out in my mind from > listening to 'Up the Downstair'. > > The last half of Moonloop was similarly brilliant, and the new song "Signify" > is an absolute killer track....the heaviest yet no doubt! After the show, I > was able to talk to all four members (and get my copy of TSMS signed as well) > and Steve said that it started out as being a sort of tribute to the German > group Neu!, but that it ended up sounding more like Metallica. The opening > riff was not too unlike Hawkwind's Master of the Universe - brilliant song. >Looking forward to the new album very much. This was the first time I'd heard > 'Waiting'....I did in fact buy the single that very afternoon from one of the >dealers there, but I could only look at it before their set. I thought it was > quite nice during the live set, but after taking the disc home and listening > to the studio version, I really found that I like this one alot. And my mom > even liked it, which is pretty unusual. > > I had been wondering for several weeks how PTree live might differ from their > studio work, and figured it might be in a loss of the extremes in dynamics, > because some of their music is so subtle, I figured these lows might be lost > in a live setting. But at least at this show in this excellent venue, their > set probably had even more of a dynamical range than their albums. And the > thing that really made the difference was Chris Maitland. During the more > 'frantic' portions of the songs, he was really belting out a tremendous > racket back there. He was the one that really surprised me. Steve Wilson's > soloing was as good as I expected it to be, but his vocals were sometimes a > little hard to pick up..not surprising I should say, seeing though he often > puts even more subtlety into his singing as he does with the 'atmospherics' > parts. > > The one song that I was really looking forward to, didn't turn out that great...Dislocated Day. For some reason, this didn't transfer to the live show > very well. Not sure why...it just didn't sound complete - and sort of limp. > All in all, it was a very fine performance, and I think a majority of the crowd > really enjoyed it. I think they had the best time slot, as the crowd was as >large (or larger) than at any other time it seemed. As I said, after the set, >I wandered into the bowels of the theatre, only to find myself at the dressing > room area, where I found all four of them hanging out with Chris Lamka (the > organiser) and some other folks. I was able to ask Steve about his work with > Fish, which is not yet complete...he said he thinks it will sound more like > PTree music than anything previously associated with Fish - so that sounds >interesting. I asked Colin what 'Porcupine Tree' was supposed to mean, and he > said that Steve refuses to tell any of them (the other three) how it >originated. So it remains a mystery to me, and I guess to everyone except the > Head Tree. Steve also mentioned that the C&S version of Signify should come > out simultaneously with the Delirium release, and that they plan to come back > over here to do more shows once that's out. I'll be there! > > 4) Fourth Estate 10:35 - 11:55 > > I often hear people say that the best baseball managers were mediocre in their playing days, figuring that they had to develop the mental strategic side > of their ability to make up for a lack of atheletic skill. Presumably then, > the star athletes would make lousy managers, as they can get by with their > fabulous skills alone. This band is a musical analog of the latter case, as >they could play loops around most groups in the world, but they had absolutely > nothing to say. At least they didn't hide the artists they ripped off...they > came right out and said, OK here's a Hendrix tune, here's some Led Zeppelin, >and how 'bout some Jeff Beck. Then they also did some rocker versions of some > classical pieces, and some self-indulgent soloing (which was actually the > highlight of the show for me...the bass solo particularly was captivating). > They really 'delivered the goods', but they were somebody else's goods, and > they delievered them to the wrong address. These were prog fans, and this > band sounded more like Joe Satriani, and their 'jazz-influence' was far > outshadowed by their metallized sound and on-stage bravado. In another time, > and another place perhaps... > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > OK, there it is....I actually enjoyed the entire event (at least certain aspects of each group), and enjoyed the shopping. I went looking for Faust and Magma CD's, but came home with 'Agitation Free' and 'Neu!' CD's. Ironic, since Steve made that comment about Neu! later. But I was disappointed that PTree or > C&S didn't have a table set up to sell their own stuff, as other bands did. > Once I picked up Waiting, I didn't need any other stuff myself, but other > people were asking around for stuff (one person offered to buy my TSMS, just signed, off me....jokingly, of course). I was interested in picking up a PTree T-shirt, but had to settle for the Progscape T-shirt with all the bands listed. > Nice design, actually, with a sort of stone circle motif, with each band > getting their own stone. PTree's is the largest of course....it pays to have > a long name. :) > >I hope there are more events like this in the US. Chris Lamka seemed >disappointed in the meager attendence and particularly the indifference from the Baltimore community/media itself, but was encouraged by folks (like me) who >went up and thanked him for championing this cause to give these bands a wider >audience in such a place as the US, with it's terribly contrived popular music >scene run by manipulative mega-record company weasels. > Well, that's about it...hope I get the opportunity to review another PTree show here soon.....it was worth 1000 miles of driving to go to Baltimore, and I met > up with a few friends from boc-l, past and present (Hi Tania, Chris, and > David!). > > Keith H. (FAA) Columbus, OH PS. Hey, Carl....perhaps that incident with the DAT tape might give you an idea on how to make HW lose the 'programmed' performance aspect...if you can just find a way to get backstage without being detected. :) From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Mon Jul 1 13:13:59 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:13:59 -0500 Subject: HW: US Covers: Update: plea for $/gman please contact me Message-ID: I put the last 5 paid for sets in the mail today: Andrew Apold, Wylie Stone, Mike Fuller, Richard Crump, and Stephen Swann. Per the usual, they were priority mail, so you should have them by Wednesday/Thursday. That leaves me 6 sets for people who have contributed tapes; they'll probably go out in the mail on Thursday/Friday. I've not received funds from the following folks yet: PRETTY PLEASE SEND ME MONEY! > >Just how many list members want a set? From: donnell at epx.cis.umn.edu (brian) From: Hawkwind00 at aol.com (ray) From: Martyn White From: John Majka From: John McCartney If you still want a set, and have not contacted me yet, please do so, as I should be able to make more without a problem. Would gman please contact me. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Mon Jul 1 08:24:20 1996 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:24:20 GMT Subject: BOC: Live recordings??? Message-ID: Does anyone have any live recordings from recent tours? (i.e. Club Ninja through present day) I am willing to pay a reasonable fee for some descent quality recordings.... Joe From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jul 1 13:48:15 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:48:15 +0100 Subject: BOC: Live recordings??? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960701131813.2fbfdee4@buffnet.net> from "Joseph M. Lofft" at Jul 1, 96 12:24:20 pm Message-ID: > Does anyone have any live recordings from recent tours? (i.e. Club Ninja > through present day) I am willing to pay a reasonable fee for some > descent quality recordings.... Oh, you said the bad word! "PAY". ;) Trades or blanks are the gentlemanly way. :) That said, I don't actually have any tapes, but I'm sure there are several people on the list who do and would be happy to trade or fill blanks for you :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jul 1 13:50:36 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:50:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: ProgScape '96 In-Reply-To: <199607011631.MAA14042@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at Jul 1, 96 12:31:26 pm Message-ID: > PS. Hey, Carl....perhaps that incident with the DAT tape might give you an > idea on how to make HW lose the 'programmed' performance aspect...if you can > just find a way to get backstage without being detected. :) And somewhere in the dark, just beyond the edge of vision, the Hawkwind "Do It Live, Dave!" Commandos are gathering! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Jul 1 15:06:09 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:06:09 EST Subject: death to profiteers? Message-ID: > > Does anyone have any live recordings from recent tours? (i.e. Club Ninja > > through present day) I am willing to pay a reasonable fee for some > > descent quality recordings.... > > Oh, you said the bad word! "PAY". ;) > > Trades or blanks are the gentlemanly way. :) That said, I > don't actually have any tapes, but I'm sure there are several people on > the list who do and would be happy to trade or fill blanks for you :) > > Cheers, > Carl > One doesn't run into too many gentlemen on the internet! I expect he's new to the list, and not familiar with the semantics of bootlegging. BTW, have you read the warning stuff on the r thompson list, very explicitly banning the kind of activity you're hinting at? Lots of rules on that one. BTW,and totally off: have you seen the trailers for the upcoming 'Escape from L.A.? The libertarians on BOC- L would get a kick out of Snake's thoughts on too many rules. theo From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jul 1 14:10:06 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:10:06 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOCbase / Andrew Message-ID: >Andrew, > >>To: Andrew Apold > >FYI, my reply to this address bounced, so I reply via boc-l. Um, it helps if you spell it "net", not "ent" (though that would be kind of interesting.... sort of a binary sentient tree adress?) >>boc gigs - do you want stuff that has been posted >>previously on boc-l? I have the set list for >>11-30-95 Sunrise, FL, and posted it on BOC-L at >>the time.... >Yes, please! Anything I can use for BOCgigs. At one point or another someone or other posted each of the Florida shows they went through at the end of the year... lessee, I still have that napkin around here somewhere... Hm. Must be at home. I have most of my old message logs there too, as well. Will send them direct (not via BOC), though I replied this here because I'm pretty sure I've seen other posts here that aren't on your list. Which, BTW, means, yes, I've seen it, pretty impressive... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Jul 1 15:24:14 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:24:14 EST Subject: BOC: BOCbase / Andrew Message-ID: > >Andrew, > > > >>To: Andrew Apold > > > >FYI, my reply to this address bounced, so I reply via boc-l. > > Um, it helps if you spell it "net", not "ent" (though that would be kind > of interesting.... sort of a binary sentient tree adress?) > > >>boc gigs - do you want stuff that has been posted > >>previously on boc-l? I have the set list for > >>11-30-95 Sunrise, FL, and posted it on BOC-L at > >>the time.... > > >Yes, please! Anything I can use for BOCgigs. > > At one point or another someone or other posted > each of the Florida shows they went through at the end of > the year... lessee, I still have that napkin around here somewhere... > Hm. Must be at home. I have most of my old message logs there > too, as well. Will send them direct (not via BOC), though I replied > this here because I'm pretty sure I've seen other posts here that > aren't on your list. Which, BTW, means, yes, I've seen it, pretty > impressive... I've also kept a lot of reviews posted here since I've joined. Any interest in them, or would there be too much overlapping? I agree your project is pretty great, and wouuldn't mind helping if I can... theo From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Mon Jul 1 14:47:30 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:47:30 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind News Update Message-ID: Hi all, There has been an interesting update on the Official Hawkwind Site that you may want to take a look at:) Go to the Hawkwind News section. Yours, Star_rats at hawkwind.com From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 1 20:32:13 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:32:13 BST Subject: Hawkwind News Update In-Reply-To: Hawkwind's message of Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:47:30 -0500 Message-ID: Hawkwind writes: > Hi all, > There has been an interesting update on the Official Hawkwind Site > that you may want to take a look at:) Go to the Hawkwind News section. > > Yours, > Star_rats at hawkwind.com wow! For the rest who don't have www a quick precie (I hope I'm remembering this right!): Some footage of 35mm film of Hawkwind at the Roundhouse in 1970 has been discovered. EMI have seen this and are interested but there's no soundtrack. So is there a 1970 tape from the Roundhouse anyone? If only! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk "Death Is Nature's Way of Saying Slow Down" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 1 23:13:35 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:13:35 BST Subject: HW: 1970s sounds Message-ID: I see from the gig list that there are several London Roundhouse dates in 1970 - 15 Feb, 12 April, 24 May, 13 Dec. Sort of spreads it around a bit! Pursuing this slightly further if I may. I know that some of the Text of Festival album was made up from live tapes from Port Talbot while other tracks were from John Peel sessions in 1970 and 1971 and somewhere there is a Brian Matthews session as well - the query tho' is: did Hawkwind actually go into the BBC studios to record these sessions specially for the radio shows or did the BBC simply use tapes of live shows that already existed? Maybe a Roundhouse gig......? I remember an excellent article in Record Collector a while back now detailing all the BBC recording appearances of Led Zepplin and where the material was derived from and I always wondered whether it would be possible to compile something of the sort for Hawkwind. Just curious jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk "Death Is Nature's Way of Saying Slow Down" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Jul 1 18:31:07 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:31:07 -0400 Subject: HW:Bargain of the day Message-ID: > FoFP says: >> I have a question about the cd though. The three previously unreleased >> tracks all sound as if they were recorded about the same time as the >> rest of the lp. (similarities in chords in Honky Dorky, and similar in >> style too). Is there any known reasons why none of these three songs >> never made it on the original release? > >Honky Dorky was the B-side of the single of Kerb Crawler from the ASAM >album. It's simply the instrumental part of Reefer Madness. > >Back On The Streets was also released as a 7" around that time and >"Dream of Isis" was the b-side. > >>Also, does the Griffin release >> of Q,S,aC with the Queens of Delerium book have any unreleased tracks on >> it? > >Luckily not. > >FoFP > > It just seemed to me that without these three songs, the album was awfully short. By your reply to my question do you mean you are not happy with the three new songs on ASAM, and would prefer it as originally released, or that Q,S,aC is perfect as is and does not need any more tracks. Irregardless of how something was originally issued, I am happy getting songs I previously had no access to. See you all later, Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Jul 1 18:40:29 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:40:29 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: July 15 Message-ID: The Brain Surgeons will be headlining Rockrgrl Night at the Macintosh Music Fest, Monday, July 15 at the New Music Cafe on Canal Street in NYC. This should be a great night-- and given the great deal of the MacFest- believe a $45 pass will get you into a week's worth of club gigs and events. They have a website at www.thegig.om (tho they haven't been so swift about posting all the up-to-date line-up info). And judging by the way the gigs have been going (anyone not in the filled-to-capacity Mamakin by the 11 pm set-time last week, was locked out on the sidewalk in a line that stretched down the block) it should be a hot one-- In any case, opening for the Brain Surgeons will be (along with some info for the inveterate question-askers in the crowd): The Finch Family (a new Boston band, fronted by the well-regarded Lizzie Borden) Swish (on Don Fleming's Instant Mayhem label,also from Boston, a trio featuring onetime Helium bassist Lori Martin and Dinosaur Jr drummer Patrick Murphy) Faith (Black Rock Coalition faves, now a trio, whose trials as a fourpiece were profiled by Lisa Jones in the Voice piece anthologized in Rock, She Wrote) The Cucumbers (a great, joyous band, who rock harder live than on the recent Zero Hour album that began as a bunch of overdubbed demos upon leader Jon Fried's recovery from a health crisis--his chest Xrays make up the cover art) and special guests Genya Ravan Penny Arcade For more (not to mention fairly outrageous) takes on the latter duo, check out Legs McNeil's Uncensored Oral History of Punk, a doorstopper-sized tome just published by Grove/Atlantic All in all, well worth making vacation plans for. See ya there DF From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 1 23:47:55 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:47:55 BST Subject: HW:Bargain of the day In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:31:07 -0400 Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > > > FoFP says: > >>Also, does the Griffin release > >> of Q,S,aC with the Queens of Delerium book have any unreleased tracks on > >> it? > > > >Luckily not. > > > >FoFP > > > > > It just seemed to me that without these three songs, the album was awfully > short. > By your reply to my question do you mean you are not happy with the three > new songs on ASAM, and would prefer it as originally released, or that > Q,S,aC is perfect as is and does not need any more tracks. > Irregardless of how something was originally issued, I am happy getting > songs I previously had no access to. > ummmm - I suspect it's more the despairing cry of a Troo Kollector and his ever diminishing wallet. If it's got extra tracks and is different from anything issued previously then one *should* in theory Kollect it - just in case it suddenly goes rare or disappears Kompletely. If however it is not significantly different from previous releases it can be safely left - for a while anyhow (unless of course like me you already have a copy of Queens of Deleria - no.1 contender for the worst book ever written - and QS&C and still went out to buy the boxed set....) I only did it to help finance the tour of course! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk "Death Is Nature's Way of Saying Slow Down" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BHalli5989 at AOL.COM Mon Jul 1 19:07:45 1996 From: BHalli5989 at AOL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 19:07:45 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Summer gig in Clayton? Message-ID: Will there be another gig in the north country this summer? Great to hear about the incredible turnouts lately! Anxiously awaiting the new tunes, Brian From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Mon Jul 1 20:47:00 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:47:00 -0700 Subject: BOC: Live recordings??? Message-ID: At 06:48 PM 7/1/96 +0100, you wrote: >> Does anyone have any live recordings from recent tours? (i.e. Club Ninja >> through present day) I am willing to pay a reasonable fee for some >> descent quality recordings.... > > Oh, you said the bad word! "PAY". ;) > > Trades or blanks are the gentlemanly way. :) That said, I >don't actually have any tapes, but I'm sure there are several people on >the list who do and would be happy to trade or fill blanks for you :) Ohhh, you said trade? I've been meaning to mention this.. I have many hours of Grateful Dead, Phish and Blues Traveller that I'd love to trade for any BOC shows if anyone out there is interested.. Or, I'll trade for blanks as well.. I'd really like to get some live BOC into my collection... Anyone? You can check out my tape list at the URL in my sig below... _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "What ever you do, | | < *http://www2.connectnet.com/~jbrooks | take care of your |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | shoes" -- Phish From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 2 10:31:04 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:31:04 BST Subject: HW:Bargain of the day In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:31:07 -0400 Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > It just seemed to me that without these three songs, the album was awfully > short. Yeah it is I guess. > By your reply to my question do you mean you are not happy with the three > new songs on ASAM, and would prefer it as originally released, or that > Q,S,aC is perfect as is and does not need any more tracks. Nothing like that. I'm a Kompletist and it's a pain to have to pick up albums I already have because they've added tracks that I already have as well as the output of Hawkwind, Turner's bands, boot disks etc etc etc. Even Kompletists have to eat. > Duane FoFP From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Jul 2 05:39:03 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 05:39:03 -0400 Subject: BOC: Carl, you'll love this Message-ID: Found on AOL recently: EB says: ---- Subj: Re:Lyrical amusement Date: 01/07/96 21:16:26 From: OYSTRBOY On Your Feet or On Your Knees was released in Japan as ...and here's the literal translation of the Japanese...."Crazy Dinner in a Darkness World" ---- Then Bolle corrects with: ---- Subj: Re:From the WEB & beyond... Date: 02/07/96 03:33:20 From: TUBULAR 1 [snip] Sorry Bloomsan.. the Crazy Dinner in A Darkness World was Some Enchanted Evening. ---- "Evil banquet in darkness," anyone? - Andy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 2 07:56:53 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:56:53 +0100 Subject: BOC: Carl, you'll love this In-Reply-To: <960702053859_568356339@emout10.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jul 2, 96 05:39:03 am Message-ID: > Found on AOL recently: > EB says: > On Your Feet or On Your Knees was released in Japan as ...and here's the > literal translation of the Japanese...."Crazy Dinner in a Darkness World" > > Then Bolle corrects with: > Sorry Bloomsan.. the Crazy Dinner in A Darkness World was Some Enchanted > Evening. > > ---- > > "Evil banquet in darkness," anyone? I *knew* it was out there somewhere as some bizarre Japanese translation! I think "Evil Banquet in Darkness" has a better ring to it, though ... :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 2 08:04:31 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:04:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: death to profiteers? In-Reply-To: <4E283E1258@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr." at Jul 1, 96 02:06:09 pm Message-ID: > BTW, have you read the warning stuff on the r thompson > list, very explicitly banning the kind of activity you're hinting at? > Lots of rules on that one. Yeah, on the RT list covert trading is tolerated in this way-- people with tapes to trade generally announce they have "footwear" to trade and can be contacted by email off list :) RT is *very* picky on what live material he considers suitable for the public to hear in recorded form, and the rules on the list are a concession to that. RT even had one of his completely official live albums yanked (_Small Town Romance_) because he didn't like the performances. Imagine Hawkwind doing _that_! ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jul 2 08:45:16 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 08:45:16 -0400 Subject: BOC: Carl, you'll love this Message-ID: >From: OYSTRBOY > >On Your Feet or On Your Knees was released in Japan as ...and here's the >literal translation of the Japanese...."Crazy Dinner in a Darkness World" >---- >Then Bolle corrects with: >Sorry Bloomsan.. the Crazy Dinner in A Darkness World was Some Enchanted >Evening. Anyone have any idea what the song "Some Enchanted Evening" was called in Japan? +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jul 2 08:45:18 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 08:45:18 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: death to profiteers? Message-ID: > RT is *very* picky on what live material he considers suitable >for the public to hear in recorded form, and the rules on the list >are a concession to that. RT even had one of his completely official >live albums yanked (_Small Town Romance_) because he didn't like the >performances. Imagine Hawkwind doing _that_! ;) Um, I missed the start of this. Who's RT? Not Ron Tree, is it? I just can't imagine a list dedicated to Ron Tree... yet. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jul 2 09:10:43 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:10:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: death to profiteers? In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Jul 2, 96 01:04:31 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > are a concession to that. RT even had one of his completely official > live albums yanked (_Small Town Romance_) because he didn't like the > performances. Imagine Hawkwind doing _that_! ;) If they could, I bet they would. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Jul 2 09:08:09 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 00:08:09 +1100 Subject: HW/OFF: Swindells on CDJ Message-ID: The CDJ TOP 20 Bands 1.The Sex Pistols currently hold 28.73% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 2.Truly Madly Deeply currently hold 11.60% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 3.Steve Swindells currently hold 3.31% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 4.Fred Astaire currently hold 2.76% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 5.DJ Lennye currently hold 2.21% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 6.The Beatles currently hold 2.21% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 7.Bay City Rollers currently hold 2.21% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 8.Chuck Berry currently hold 1.66% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 9.Buzzcocks currently hold 1.66% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 10.currently hold 1.66% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 11.Big Bamboo currently hold 1.66% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 12.Shorty Blackwells currently hold 1.66% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 13.John Barry currently hold 1.66% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 14.Absolute currently hold 1.10% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 15.Alex Osborne currently hold 1.10% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 16.The Electric Groove Temple currently hold 1.10% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 17.Man currently hold 1.10% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 18.Unilever currently hold 1.10% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 19.Phillip Glass currently hold 1.10% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 20.Incubuc Succubus currently hold 1.10% of the vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Tue Jul 2 11:35:43 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:35:43 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Swindells on CDJ Message-ID: First whats CJD Second how come Steve swindells on the list ? AC -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 2 10:46:46 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:46:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: death to profiteers? In-Reply-To: <199607021245.IAA27545@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Jul 2, 96 08:45:18 am Message-ID: > > RT is *very* picky on what live material he considers suitable > >for the public to hear in recorded form, and the rules on the list > >are a concession to that. RT even had one of his completely official > >live albums yanked (_Small Town Romance_) because he didn't like the > >performances. Imagine Hawkwind doing _that_! ;) > > Um, I missed the start of this. Who's RT? Not Ron Tree, is it? > I just can't imagine a list dedicated to Ron Tree... yet. No, fear not, public-spirited citizens! RT = Richard Thompson, famous British guitar-god. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Tue Jul 2 08:36:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 08:36:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: Question For Ohio, USA BOC-Lers Message-ID: Hi Folks, I'll be flying into Dayton, Ohio on business in a few weeks and was wondering if any BOC-Lers who know the area could recommend any good record stores. I'll be pretty much based in the Miamisburg area. Thanks in advance for any help. Chris From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 2 12:48:06 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:48:06 EST Subject: OFF: Question For Ohio, USA BOC-Lers Message-ID: > Hi Folks, > > I'll be flying into Dayton, Ohio on business in a few weeks and was > wondering if any BOC-Lers who know the area could recommend any good > record stores. I'll be pretty much based in the Miamisburg area. > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > Chris There is a pretty good one that's right near this gonzo big musical instrument dealer right downtown. I only visited there once, so I can't remember the name of either store. The cd store has lots of used stuff. I imagine someone at the music store could direct you. I don't know the name of the music store either, but it's the biggest one in town, and right in the middle of the city. Shouldn't be too hard to find... theo From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jul 2 21:01:26 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:01:26 PDT Subject: BOC: BOCbase Message-ID: Andrew wrote: >> At one point or another someone or other posted >> each of the Florida shows they went through at the end of >> the year... lessee, I still have that napkin around here somewhere... >> Hm. Must be at home. I have most of my old message logs there >> too, as well. Will send them direct (not via BOC), though I replied >> this here because I'm pretty sure I've seen other posts here that >> aren't on your list. Which, BTW, means, yes, I've seen it, pretty >> impressive... Theo added: >I've also kept a lot of reviews posted here since I've joined. Any >interest in them, or would there be too much overlapping? I agree >your project is pretty great, and wouuldn't mind helping if I can... Thanks, both of you. Again, it wouldn't be anything without you people sending me info. The more the better, I guess. The overlapping is not a problem. I sort the info chronologically, and insert the dates one by one onto the big list. Maybe I could put the reviews on separate pages, and have them linked from the date on the list. What do you think? Would look something like this: | yyyy-mm-dd | Venue, Place, State | Verification: ... Note: ... Songs: ... Click here for review Thanks, Jerry From jguizar at EPIX.NET Tue Jul 2 17:33:34 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:33:34 -0400 Subject: HW:Bargain of the day In-Reply-To: <9607021031.aa21897@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In <9607021031.aa21897 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, on 07/02/96 at 10:31 AM, M Holmes said: >Duane Hoyt writes: >> It just seemed to me that without these three songs, the album was awful >> short. >Yeah it is I guess. >> By your reply to my question do you mean you are not happy with the thre >> new songs on ASAM, and would prefer it as originally released, or that >> Q,S,aC is perfect as is and does not need any more tracks. >Nothing like that. I'm a Kompletist and it's a pain to have to pick up >albums I already have because they've added tracks that I already have as >well as the output of Hawkwind, Turner's bands, boot disks etc etc etc. >Even Kompletists have to eat. I don't mind extra songs, I just wish they were new or previously unreleased. I've noticed a few albums that contained a song that was released on single, but the B side never made it to the album. I don't know how common that was because I don't buy a lot of singles. Jerry ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Jul 2 18:01:20 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:01:20 +1100 Subject: HW/OFF: Swindells on CDJ Message-ID: On 2 Jul 96 Andy Cobley wrote about Re: HW/OFF: Swindells on CDJ: > First whats CJD Cyberden Digital Jukebox > Second how come Steve swindells on the list ? Dunno .. he even thinks it's strange 'coz he hasn't released his new CD yet, so doesn't have any music there! Strange then that he's been voted as #3 in the alternative section! The only thing that makes sense is that he beat the Bay City Rollers .... Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 3 00:58:52 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 00:58:52 BST Subject: HW: review wanted Message-ID: I've just been browsing for mentions of Hawkwind in rec.music.progressive and I see there's someone there asking for a review of the Hawkwind show in Amsterdam - apparently a friend of his went and hated it so he'd like a review from someone else to balance this. Can anyone help out on this? Was it really that bad? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Tue Jul 2 21:24:20 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:24:20 -0400 Subject: HW: Griffin Alien4 Message-ID: The Griffin _Alien4_ finally appeared. It isn't an actual Griffin release, but is an EBS import with the little sticker that says "distributed by Griffin music, made in the UK". It is one of those deals where Griffin kindly distributes it in the USA at domestic USA prices. From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Jul 2 18:15:06 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 22:15:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Griffin Alien4 Message-ID: Ken Alexander wrote: > > The Griffin _Alien4_ finally appeared. It isn't an actual Griffin release, > but is an EBS import with the little sticker that says "distributed by > Griffin music, made in the UK". It is one of those deals where Griffin > kindly distributes it in the USA at domestic USA prices.brock said at one of the gigs that they are at odds with griffin at present.it seems that griffin has been underselling them in europe. i have no further details,maybe someone else knows more? rj From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Jul 2 18:22:00 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 22:22:00 +0000 Subject: HW: review wanted Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > I've just been browsing for mentions of Hawkwind in > rec.music.progressive and I see there's someone there asking for a > review of the Hawkwind show in Amsterdam - apparently a friend of his > went and hated it so he'd like a review from someone else to balance > this. Can anyone help out on this? Was it really that bad? > > jillhi jill. musically, the show was as good as the shows you saw.karyn tells me that the stage show was just as good.(i couldn't raise my head,too much northern lights!)probably this person's friend was of the uninitiated. or maybe he was looking for lemmy,or maybe nik? i do know that hw themselves seemed happier with this gig than any of the english gigs.... of course, the fire eater,scouse(skouse?) couldn't leave england, and the stage was smaller,but i think we just had a predjudiced oppinion in your newsgroup. rj From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Jul 2 23:10:46 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:10:46 -0400 Subject: HW: Griffin Alien4 In-Reply-To: <31D99F6A.11BA@ix.netcom.com> from "SKARSOL" at Jul 2, 96 10:15:06 pm Message-ID: rj hints.... > > > > The Griffin _Alien4_ finally appeared. It isn't an actual Griffin release, > > but is an EBS import with the little sticker that says "distributed by > > Griffin music, made in the UK". It is one of those deals where Griffin > > kindly distributes it in the USA at domestic USA prices. > Brock said at one of the gigs that they are at odds with griffin at > present. It seems that griffin has been underselling them in europe. I don't know what this means exactly, but whatever it is, it's completely asinine. How the band and it's management gets into such a tiff with a record company that (for once) actually does them so much good over many years is beyond me. I'm not saying that I can't possibly believe that they (Griffin) might *have* actually done them some small amount of harm in this tactic (whatever it is). It's just that HW has been ripped off by so many people/labels in the past to such a huge degree, that anything Griffin could/would do additional to that seems like it would be a piss in the ocean. And like how many discs would they have sold in the US without a stable domestic record deal from 1987 - 1996?? About 10% of what they have, that's what. And that's probably equalled by the UK/Europe Kollectors on this list who have bought Griffin imports. Stupid! 26 years on...and counting.... Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Now, Cleopatra might be another story.... ObCD: Udu Wudu - Magma From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Jul 3 00:20:29 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 00:20:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: Calling All Garage Rock Stars Message-ID: OK, everybody- time to stop talking about your equipment and start usin' it. Here's an opportunity I thought I'd pass on- RPM USA--Baltimore-based label--is seeking submissions for its > > > > > > > >upcoming compilation FUZZY LOGIC. If you're into or influenced by > > > > > > > >any of the following--Gumball, '60s garage rock, the Swingin' > > > > > > > >Neckbreakers, Dinosaur Jr., the Ramones, Neil Young and Crazy > > > > > > > >Horse ("Zuma" and "Live Rust"), and Jack Logan (at his fuzziest)-- > > > > > > > >then send us a cassette (CDs and vinyl welcome, too) with three > > > > > > > >songs. All songs must be original and 3:30 minutes or less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Our debut release--"the three-minute revolution"--is due out late > > > > > > > >July/early August. It is a 25-band 25-song power pop compilation > > > > > > > >featuring 9 local bands/artists including the Jennifers, the > > > > > > > >put-outs, Mudwheel, and the Marmalades as well as 16 other bands > > > > > > > >from across the country including one band (The Bardots) from England. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >For FUZZY LOGIC, we're looking for a crunchier, high-octane garage > > > > > > > >sound. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If you have any questions, please e-mail me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks for your interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Greg > > > > > > > >RPM USA > > > > > > > >P.O. Box 10216 > > > > > > > >Baltimore, MD 21234 From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Jul 3 00:21:57 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 00:21:57 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Summer gig in Clayton? Message-ID: We will probably not get to Clayton this year until fall. So hope you will get to us! We are really looking forward to this MacFest show- see following unsolicited testimonial from Ms Tania Ruiz, keeper of the webpage- "I went to this big Progressive Rock festival in Maryland this weekend and saw a guy who had been at the Mamakin show. He raved and raved about how awesome you guys were. So, i think it was a damn fine show! " You upstate guys should pile into a car and come on down- there are a couple of guys from the Kingston area who've regularly caught us in NYC and Boston- and drive back the same night! Makes us feel like the Grateful Dead. But, seriously, it is really great to look out and see the friends in the crowd... and for the less intrepid (or with student budgets) am sure there must be at least one local BOC-L'er with a couch to spare- Hope to see ya- til then DF From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Jul 3 05:23:06 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr Pepper (they call me Mister Pibb)) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:23:06 +0100 Subject: HW Spanish stuff? Message-ID: Dear HW experts I am off to Spain by the end of the week, and was wondering if anyone knew of any rare Spanish HW stuff that I might be able to find more easily over there? Alternatively does anyone have any recommendations of where I ought to go in Madrid, either to have fun or buy records (not that these 2 recreations are mutually exclusive)? Cheers Mike w From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 3 10:28:01 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:28:01 BST Subject: HW Spanish stuff? In-Reply-To: they call me Mister Pibb's message of Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:23:06 +0100 Message-ID: they call me Mister Pibb writes: > Dear HW experts > > I am off to Spain by the end of the week, and was wondering if anyone > knew of any rare Spanish HW stuff that I might be able to find more > easily over there? There was a Spanish version of the Victoria album which is fairly rare. There are probably Spanish versions of the various singles too. And if you see *any* nationality of the Hassan I Sabha 7" just pay whatever the ask/sell your friends, relatives, or kidneys and I'll reimburse you when you get back.... FoFP From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Jul 3 06:52:48 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:52:48 -0400 Subject: HW Spanish stuff? Message-ID: Mike The Victoria double is worth having - a load of the Flicknife stuff in quite a nice pressing, and possibly the only LP appearance of some of the tracks (I'd have to check). You might also look out for the "Carrera de Maldad"/"Dominio Y Sumision" 7-inch by Blue Oyster Cult (I'm sure it's just a re-titling, not a Spanish-language version, though). Y viva Espana, etc Andy From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Jul 3 11:54:54 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:54:54 BST Subject: HW: Hawkwind Heresy Message-ID: I most humbly apologise, for I committed an outrageous act of incalculable proportions. I was on the guest list for the HW gig in Tilburg and I was just 20 miles from the venue, but I didn't go. Please forgive me! Amsterdam was great though, even if Germany did beat England that night. Nice to meet up with Jerry, Bill, Ron and their other halves. The sound and lights were much, much better as were the errrr..... ..consumables. ;) I met Alan Davey whilst stumbling round the streets of A'dam and had a quick chat with him. He loved the Nethawks thing and looks forward to listening to the covers tape. Then he put me on the guest list for both Dutch gigs, which was cool. bye - Rob From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jul 3 07:00:04 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:00:04 +0200 Subject: MM single (DtI) Message-ID: Hi Chuck, Just got the CD in the mail yesterday - thanks again. I sent you the money last week, so it should be on its way, if not there already. I'm really curios about the other Dopes to Infinity single now...! The track "Forbidden Planet" is 6 minutes of odd synth noises and effects and some distorted guitar riff towards the end .... not really a tune excactly, but cool anyway. Is it possible for you to check the other one in the record store next time you are there? I'm looking for the track "5 Years ahead of my Time" or any other non-album tracks.... If its not too much trouble. If you are looking for euro-CDs or anything let me know. Christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jul 3 07:16:21 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:16:21 +0200 Subject: Sorry folks: MM single (DtI) Message-ID: Damn damn damn, sorry, this one was supposed to go to Chuck, not this list. All apologies, Christian From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Jul 3 03:24:22 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:24:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Griffin Alien4 Message-ID: Keith A Henderson wrote: > > rj hints.... > > > > > > The Griffin _Alien4_ finally appeared. It isn't an actual Griffin release, > > > but is an EBS import with the little sticker that says "distributed by > > > Griffin music, made in the UK". It is one of those deals where Griffin > > > kindly distributes it in the USA at domestic USA prices. > > > Brock said at one of the gigs that they are at odds with griffin at > > present. It seems that griffin has been underselling them in europe. > > I don't know what this means exactly, but whatever it is, it's completely > asinine. How the band and it's management gets into such a tiff with a record > company that (for once) actually does them so much good over many years is > beyond me. I'm not saying that I can't possibly believe that they (Griffin) > might *have* actually done them some small amount of harm in this tactic > (whatever it is). It's just that HW has been ripped off by so many > people/labels in the past to such a huge degree, that anything Griffin > could/would do additional to that seems like it would be a piss in the ocean. > > And like how many discs would they have sold in the US without a stable > domestic record deal from 1987 - 1996?? About 10% of what they have, that's > what. And that's probably equalled by the UK/Europe Kollectors on this list > who have bought Griffin imports. > > Stupid! 26 years on...and counting....there is not enough info to label this as stupid. 1. ebs is hw's own label,and really too young to be strong.what may be a small issue to a big co. may verywell be crippling to a label this size. 2.if all this is true,it must have been deliberate on the part of griffin. i can't imagine it being easy to bypass all those tariffs, griffin must be taking a loss to do it.if i were hw or their management i think i would be insulted,as well as injured. 3.it may be that since griffin has caught up w/ hw's catalogue,hw feels that they would be better off on their own.this may only be a loophole to help hw cash in on their own efforts. 4.i have no ill-will toward griffin, and as a fan, am grateful for there efforts.with hw,it's business, and only that.none of us knows the inner workings of the deal. 5. after 25+ years of being lied to,duped,violated and used,perhaps hw is finally fed up? 6.after spending a week visiting with the band before and after gigs,and seeing what these boys are really like,as far as i am concerned,they can do anything they like.these are some of the kindest men i've ever met. (i know i sound enamoured,but you would have to have been there.)from everything i've seen with my own eyes,anyone who calls brock and co. greedy, is at best- mis-informed. cheers,(ohshitthebritshavegotmesayingitnow) rj From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Jul 3 07:52:52 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:52:52 +0200 Subject: HW: TV gig Message-ID: Hi folks Received today a video with the short HAWKWIND TV gig They played SILVER MACHINE and LOVE IN SPACE + interviews with Dave and Ron The version of LOVE IN SPACE is the best version I've ever heard. Very different to the CD and to the live gigs The middle part is not the fast part (as we know) but a guitar solo by Dave !!! Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 3 08:14:34 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:14:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Calling All Garage Rock Stars In-Reply-To: <960703002028_347276872@emout07.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Jul 3, 96 00:20:29 am Message-ID: > RPM USA--Baltimore-based label--is seeking submissions for its > upcoming compilation FUZZY LOGIC. If you're into or influenced > by any of the following--Gumball, '60s garage rock, the Swingin' > Neckbreakers, Dinosaur Jr., the Ramones, Neil Young and Crazy > Horse ("Zuma" and "Live Rust"), and Jack Logan (at his fuzziest-- > then send us a cassette (CDs and vinyl welcome, too) with three > songs. All songs must be original and 3:30 minutes or less. > For FUZZY LOGIC, we're looking for a crunchier, high-octane > garage sound. Hey, I bet my rough mix of "Wolf at the Door" would at least qualify. Got nothing ta lose. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Jul 3 13:15:09 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:15:09 BST Subject: HW: TV gig In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:52:52 +0200 Message-ID: > The middle part is not the fast part but a guitar solo by Dave !!! By an uncanny coincidence, I was thinking that the Brixton gig lacked a melodic piece to make up for the absence of The Golden Void, and that Love In Space would be the perfect place for a Brock solo! Dave. From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 3 13:24:53 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:24:53 BST Subject: HW Spanish stuff? In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:28:01 BST Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > they call me Mister Pibb writes: > > > Dear HW experts > > > > I am off to Spain by the end of the week, and was wondering if anyone > > knew of any rare Spanish HW stuff that I might be able to find more > > easily over there? > > There was a Spanish version of the Victoria album which is fairly rare. > There are probably Spanish versions of the various singles too. > Isn't there also Spanish vinyl issue of In Search of Space album that had Silver Machine added to it as an extra track? If you see this I'd be more than happy to trade/buy this from you. And if you do find any Spanish versions of Hawkwind singles (for not too exorbitant a price - I'm not *that* desperate) I'd be glad to have these too. > And if you see *any* nationality of the Hassan I Sabha 7" just pay > whatever the ask/sell your friends, relatives, or kidneys and I'll > reimburse you when you get back.... > Ah - yes! Ditto the above - basically if you find any Hassan I Sabha 7" singles buy all of them. I'll certainly buy one off you - heck I might even offer to pay your airfare {well maybe not quite *that* much 8-)} and I'm sure you'll find a market for the rest without any problem. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Wed Jul 3 09:05:58 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (Ross P. Reyes) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:05:58 EDT Subject: BOC: BOCbase Message-ID: What exactly is the BOCbase. I did see someone had a netpage showing all the shows from time zero up to the present (amazingly gargantuan task). Is that what this is?? RR From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jul 3 11:41:17 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:41:17 -0500 Subject: HW: TV gig In-Reply-To: <199607031152.NAA17305@exit.ruhr.de> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > Received today a video with the short HAWKWIND TV gig > They played SILVER MACHINE and LOVE IN SPACE + interviews with Dave and Ron Is this the one from VH-1? If so, I'd like to know how a person got a hold of it. Also, I got the impression that this HW appearance was on American VH-1, but that's kinda preposterous, right? Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From sai at TOPAZ.MICROBIO.UAB.EDU Wed Jul 3 14:57:21 1996 From: sai at TOPAZ.MICROBIO.UAB.EDU (Arioch) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:57:21 -0700 Subject: HW: griffin's alien 4 release... Message-ID: hey all, i wrote some email to the griffin people about the alien 4 release and asked them if they had it in stock or not. guess what (i dont know if you guys already know this or not), but it seems griffin's not even the actual distributor. its some company here in the US...all they gave me was an 800 number (which like a total moron, i have now lost in one of me mail folder...anyone know this number??) and told me to get in touch with them...how's that for griffin's cheesiness...cheers... -- Arioch sai at topaz.microbio.uab.edu Graduate Student (and part time Lord of Chaos) Dept. of Biochemistry and Molecular Genetics University of Alabama at Birmingham... From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 3 18:10:02 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:10:02 BST Subject: HW: TV gig In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:52:52 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi folks > > Received today a video with the short HAWKWIND TV gig > > They played SILVER MACHINE and LOVE IN SPACE + interviews with Dave and Ron > > The version of LOVE IN SPACE is the best version I've ever heard. Very > different to the CD and to the live gigs > > The middle part is not the fast part (as we know) but a guitar solo by Dave !!! I'd be up for a trade for this. Also if you have this video of a concert in 1995 that I've heard about.... P.S: wasn't someone on this list videoing the Nik gig which had Moorcock at it (Texas?) - any news on this? > Bernhard FoFP From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Wed Jul 3 13:30:54 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:30:54 -0400 Subject: HW: griffin's alien 4 release... Message-ID: > i wrote some email to the griffin people about the alien 4 > release and asked them if they had it in stock or not. guess what (i > dont know if you guys already know this or not), but it seems griffin's > not even the actual distributor. its some company here in the US... Griffin is both in Canada and USA. If it isn't distributed by Griffin, then who do you propose is slapping the stickers on that say "DISTRIBUTED BY GRIFFIN MUSIC"? From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jul 3 13:57:37 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:57:37 -0400 Subject: HW: griffin's alien 4 release... Message-ID: >Griffin is both in Canada and USA. >If it isn't distributed by Griffin, then who do you propose is >slapping the stickers on that say "DISTRIBUTED BY GRIFFIN MUSIC"? Shhhhh. It's part of our plan to draw Doug Smith out into the open.... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Jul 3 14:46:11 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:46:11 -0500 Subject: Nik w/Moorcock (was Re: HW: TV gig) In-Reply-To: <9607031810.aa12154@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, M Holmes wrote: > P.S: wasn't someone on this list videoing the Nik gig which had Moorcock > at it (Texas?) - any news on this? I recall hearing that too. In fact, I'm sure that I'd replied to whoever it was that had the show (to trade)--it may be been just audio, though???? Was it perhaps Mike Coleman who'd taped the vid/audio? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Jul 3 15:16:17 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:16:17 -0400 Subject: HW: griffin's alien 4 release... In-Reply-To: <199607031730.NAA00986@quip.eecs.umich.edu> from "Ken Alexander" at Jul 3, 96 01:30:54 pm Message-ID: Ken Alexander writes: > > > i wrote some email to the griffin people about the alien 4 > > release and asked them if they had it in stock or not. guess what (i > > dont know if you guys already know this or not), but it seems griffin's > > not even the actual distributor. its some company here in the US... > > Griffin is both in Canada and USA. > If it isn't distributed by Griffin, then who do you propose is > slapping the stickers on that say "DISTRIBUTED BY GRIFFIN MUSIC"? Ok, I admit it. It was me. Steve swann at panix.com From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Jul 3 13:45:39 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:45:39 +0000 Subject: HW: TV gig Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > P.S: wasn't someone on this list videoing the Nik gig which had Moorcock > at it (Texas?) - any news on this? > FoFPhey mike.i know the guy(somewhat)who has these tapes{the professional ones intended for the cleo release},and i will eventually get a copy.when i do i will forward a copy to you,and you can circulate it in uk and europe. rj From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 4 03:55:09 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 03:55:09 BST Subject: The band, fans, etc Message-ID: I should preface this by commenting that I've just got back at some unreasonable hour from a night's drinking and chatting to Jill where Ron's comment about the kindness of the band came up in conversation. Anyway, Ron basically said that he'd met the band on his trip and that they were some of the best people he'd ever met and given my very brief meetings with them I'd happily agree. However, I'd also like to add that in the seventy or so Hawkwind gigs I've been to, I'd like to make the same comment about *all* the fans I've met. I've almost never been to a gig I didn't end up sharing a taxi, meal, eightsome reel (I'm not kidding), traded tapes, chatted to, got totalled with, etc, various other fans. A Hawkwind gig in the last few years has been like a roving party. So Ron, Bill and their ladyfriends, Mike W, Andy, Rob, Andy G, Ande T, Trev, Steve, Brian, Tim, Snail, Gordon, Angus, Jill, Ade, Dave, Gavin, Paul, Bernhard, Rainer, Steven, and other fans, crew, and assorted heads at rock festivals who have made it more than rewarding to travel hundreds of miles to be there: I couldn't possibly have even imagined meeting a better bunch of people. As much as the band, you folks are the reason I'm there. It's as much part of the gigs and memories as the band and it's been great to meet you all. If only the world were smaller and everyone could meet for a beer the way they do on the Net. I don't say it easily but I've never met anyone at a Hawkwind gig I wouldn't more than happily count as a friend. FoFP From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jul 3 23:55:04 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:55:04 +1100 Subject: The band, fans, etc Message-ID: On 4 Jul 96 M Holmes wrote about The band, fans, etc: > a beer the way they do on the Net. I don't say it easily but I've never > met anyone at a Hawkwind gig I wouldn't more than happily count as a friend. I've never been to a gig, only met a few of you, and am totally sober ... but I have to agree! I love you all ;^) S. -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Jul 4 02:11:39 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:11:39 +0200 Subject: HW: TV gig Message-ID: Hi there >I'd be up for a trade for this. Why not >Also if you have this video of a concert in 1995 that I've heard about.... The SPRINGFIELD or the BOCHUM video ? Bernhard From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Jul 4 04:30:17 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:30:17 +0200 Subject: OFF: Looking for Sundial CD EP Message-ID: Does anybody know where I can get the Sundial CD EP "Overspill" (w/the tracks Fireball, Only a Northern Song, Overspill etc. on the Ufo label)? I used to own this, one of my favorite records ever.... until at a party almost 3 years ago when it mysteriously disappeared! If anybody has this item for sale or trade, or know where I can get it, please let me know.... Christian From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Jul 4 08:48:07 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:48:07 -0300 Subject: Postcard from Dave Brock Message-ID: "Dear Dave, Just liked to say thank you for the tapes and I must say `Most interesting'. Still working on the Hawkfan party. We now have a 1,500 circus tent so we are on the way to the big party. yours, Dave B." The postcard is of the Flamboyant Hotel at St. George's, Grenada, West Indies, but Dave has added a note saying "By the way I'm not really there". I'm chuffed, Dave. P.S. We did it! Another boc-l project succeeds! From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 4 11:32:18 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 11:32:18 BST Subject: HW: TV gig In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:11:39 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi there > > > >I'd be up for a trade for this. > > Why not > > > > >Also if you have this video of a concert in 1995 that I've heard about.... > > The SPRINGFIELD or the BOCHUM video ? There's only one answer to that: both! :-) Now all we have to do is find something I have that you don't :-) > Bernhard FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 4 07:30:05 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:30:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Looking for Sundial CD EP In-Reply-To: <31DB8119.70CE@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jul 4, 96 10:30:17 am Message-ID: > Does anybody know where I can get the Sundial CD EP "Overspill" > (w/the tracks Fireball, Only a Northern Song, Overspill etc. on the > Ufo label)? I used to own this, one of my favorite records ever.... > until at a party almost 3 years ago when it mysteriously disappeared! If > anybody has this item for sale or trade, or know where I can get it, > please let me know.... And if you find two, I'm looking for it as well! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 4 07:36:43 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:36:43 +0100 Subject: HW: griffin's alien 4 release... In-Reply-To: <199607031916.PAA18473@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jul 3, 96 03:16:17 pm Message-ID: > > If it isn't distributed by Griffin, then who do you propose is > > slapping the stickers on that say "DISTRIBUTED BY GRIFFIN MUSIC"? > > Ok, I admit it. It was me. I knew it! Steve Swann is to blame. Probably working in secret conjunction with DS ... ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 4 07:50:08 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:50:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: for tim bart Message-ID: Sorry for using the list, but I don't have the email address handy ... Still looking for a wah pedal Tim? A Jack Young (jack.young at zetnet.co.uk) is selling one: > Original Cry Baby manufactured by J Dunlop > Almost new, Model GCB-95 > Never been used (full battery) > I want around 40 for it and i'll pay postage Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Jul 4 07:50:24 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:50:24 +0200 Subject: HW: TV gig Message-ID: Hi Mike >> The SPRINGFIELD or the BOCHUM video ? > >There's only one answer to that: both! :-) > >Now all we have to do is find something I have that you don't :-) What about the IN SEARCH OF SPACE (remastered) for both videos ? ttyl Bernhard From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 4 13:04:47 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:04:47 BST Subject: OFF: Looking for Sundial CD EP In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:30:05 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > Does anybody know where I can get the Sundial CD EP "Overspill" > > (w/the tracks Fireball, Only a Northern Song, Overspill etc. on the > > Ufo label)? I used to own this, one of my favorite records ever.... > > until at a party almost 3 years ago when it mysteriously disappeared! If > > anybody has this item for sale or trade, or know where I can get it, > > please let me know.... > > And if you find two, I'm looking for it as well! > I'll check the Freak Emporium catalogue and see if it's still listed - Gema Mailorder are another good source. Don't promise anything but will let you know if there's good news. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 4 13:27:08 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:27:08 BST Subject: Postcard from Dave Brock In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:48:07 -0300 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes that Dave Brock writes: > I must say `Most interesting'. Still working > on the Hawkfan party. We now have a 1,500 > circus tent so we are on the way to the big > party. > > yours, > > Dave B." > Excellent! I hope he'll let slip some possible dates soon - I've got to book holidays in advance.... He *is* a nice guy - all the band seem to be when you meet them individually - it's unfortunate that as soon as five or more band members are gathered together this seems to be immediately followed by a falling out of personalities and endless recriminations. And yeah, I agree with FoFP's comments as well - everyone (and hi Bill, hi Ron - it was good to see you over here!) I've ever met who's a Hawkwind fan has been a genuinely nice (horrible word but it'll do for now) person. It's sort of reassuring that there are some good people around - and many of them are Hawkwind fans! luv and peace 8-) cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 4 15:00:45 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:00:45 BST Subject: HW: TV gig In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:50:24 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi Mike > > > >> The SPRINGFIELD or the BOCHUM video ? > > > >There's only one answer to that: both! :-) > > > >Now all we have to do is find something I have that you don't :-) > > What about the IN SEARCH OF SPACE (remastered) for both videos ? If you throw in the recent US show with SM and LiS you have a deal... > Bernhard Cheers FoFP From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 4 10:41:17 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:41:17 +0200 Subject: OFF: MM single (DtI) Message-ID: Christian sa:lklubbare writes; >Hi Chuck, > >Just got the CD in the mail yesterday - thanks again. I sent you the >money last week, so it should be on its way, if not there already. I'm >really curios about the other Dopes to Infinity single now...! The track >"Forbidden Planet" is 6 minutes of odd synth noises and effects and some >distorted guitar riff towards the end .... not really a tune excactly, >but cool anyway. Is it possible for you to check the other one in the >record store next time you are there? I'm looking for the track "5 Years >ahead of my Time" or any other non-album tracks.... If its not too much >trouble. If you are looking for euro-CDs or anything let me know. > >Christian > Hi everybody! I've got two versions of the Dopes to Infinty CD single... not for sale though... One has only two songs Dopes and Forbidden Planet, (the same version as Christian has got, I'll guess, but you'll never know with MM, will you???). The other one has four songs: Dopes, Dinosaur Vacume (Live BBC), Theme From Masterburner and I'm Five Years Ahead of My Time... This is a A&M CD and the catalog number is 581 033-2. I don't know country of manufacture, I can't find it anywhere on the label. I bought it a few months ago in the Swedish town Malmoe at a record store called Record Heaven, and I know they are accepting mailorders. Phone: 040-23 20 02 (but you have to use a country number too). Address: Record Heaven Box 4003 S-203 11 MALMOE SWEDEN I don't think there would be much of a problem for Christian who lives in Norway to order a CD from this store. Halvfjers!!! -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Jul 4 07:26:40 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 11:26:40 +0000 Subject: The band, fans, etc Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > I should preface this by commenting that I've just got back at some > unreasonable hour from a night's drinking and chatting to Jill where > Ron's comment about the kindness of the band came up in conversation. > > Anyway, Ron basically said that he'd met the band on his trip and that > they were some of the best people he'd ever met and given my very brief > meetings with them I'd happily agree. > > However, I'd also like to add that in the seventy or so Hawkwind gigs > I've been to, I'd like to make the same comment about *all* the fans > I've met. I've almost never been to a gig I didn't end up sharing a > taxi, meal, eightsome reel (I'm not kidding), traded tapes, chatted to, > got totalled with, etc, various other fans. A Hawkwind gig in the last > few years has been like a roving party. So Ron, Bill and their > ladyfriends, Mike W, Andy, Rob, Andy G, Ande T, Trev, Steve, Brian, Tim, > Snail, Gordon, Angus, Jill, Ade, Dave, Gavin, Paul, Bernhard, Rainer, > Steven, and other fans, crew, and assorted heads at rock festivals who > have made it more than rewarding to travel hundreds of miles to be > there: I couldn't possibly have even imagined meeting a better bunch of > people. As much as the band, you folks are the reason I'm there. It's > as much part of the gigs and memories as the band and it's been great to > meet you all. If only the world were smaller and everyone could meet for > a beer the way they do on the Net. I don't say it easily but I've never > met anyone at a Hawkwind gig I wouldn't more than happily count as a friend. > > FoFPi agree with you on these points mike.all i was trying to say was that the band and esp. brock have taken some fair amount of knocks,being called greedy,cold,aloof,and worse,and from what i can see,these statements cannot be true,but probably based on some mispercieved action or statement,or people making judgements without knowing any real details. i think it is easy to see why most fans respect and even like each other.we all have a common interest,and it is an interest in something that is not for everyone. you are right i think,out of all the hw fans i've met over the years, i can count on one hand those who i've been wary of, or who have been obnoxious or out of line.and something tells me those few have been people who are not actually fans,but people who are only interested in the band because that's who's on tonite. at the ipswitch gig,there was a man in the balcony who was confined to a wheel chair.his family said he had about five days to live. brock was not in a terrific mood after that show,but still, he braved the maddening crowd to make his way up to see this man,because the guy really wanted to meet him before passing on.i dunno, i jus' thought that was kind of special. and i've never met a listmember i didn't want to know.even the ones who flame me:). the band knew we came all that way to see THEM.they took time out of their busy schedules to try to make our trip special,something that we did not expect.unlike most other rockstars might have,they did not treat us as annoying fans, but more as visiting friends. please pardon my babbling. rj From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Jul 4 11:27:52 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:27:52 +0200 Subject: HW: TV gig Message-ID: Hi Mike >> >> >> The SPRINGFIELD or the BOCHUM video ? >> > >> >There's only one answer to that: both! :-) >> > >> >Now all we have to do is find something I have that you don't :-) >> >> What about the IN SEARCH OF SPACE (remastered) for both videos ? > >If you throw in the recent US show with SM and LiS you have a deal... OK. Let's do it !!! cu Bernhard From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 4 16:39:40 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:39:40 BST Subject: The band, fans, etc In-Reply-To: SKARSOL's message of Thu, 4 Jul 1996 11:26:40 +0000 Message-ID: SKARSOL writes: > at the ipswitch gig,there was a man in the balcony who was confined > to a wheel chair.his family said he had about five days to live. > brock was not in a terrific mood after that show,but still, he braved > the maddening crowd to make his way up to see this man,because the > guy really wanted to meet him before passing on.i dunno, i jus' thought > that was kind of special. Now *that* is the mark of a fundamentally decent person. Gets my respect. FoFP From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Jul 4 08:58:57 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:58:57 +0000 Subject: HW:pics from this tour. Message-ID: hi all. i have a few jpgs. from photos taken by my wife and myself from this tour.would anyone want me to post them to the list?would anyone object?i will wait a few days to see if anyone would rather i didn't, and if someone objects,anyone wanting to see them will have to e-mail me directly,and i will send via private. or if anyone who maintains a page wants them,they can put them on the web.that might be better for those with slow connections or whatever. rj From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jul 4 13:07:11 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:07:11 +0200 Subject: HW:pics from this tour. Message-ID: >hi all. i have a few jpgs. from photos taken by my wife and myself from >this tour.would anyone want me to post them to the list?would anyone >object?i will wait a few days to see if anyone would rather i didn't, >and if someone objects,anyone wanting to see them will have to e-mail me >directly,and i will send via private. >or if anyone who maintains a page wants them,they can put them on the >web.that might be better for those with slow connections or whatever. >rj don't think sending the jpegs to the list would be fair to those of us who has a limited account somewhere, or cannot decode those pics - send 'em instead to mr Sonique - sonique at hyme.pcmicro.com.au - and his newborn Hawkwind Gallery... glad you had a great time here in Europe :0) - \\joe ObFindInTheCloset: Mahogany Rush/Strange Universe From stayer at PI.NET Wed Jul 3 21:20:28 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:20:28 PDT Subject: BOC: BOCbase Message-ID: >What exactly is the BOCbase. I did see someone had a netpage >showing all the shows from time zero up to the present (amazingly >gargantuan task). Is that what this is?? > >RR > Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Wed Jul 3 21:02:47 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:02:47 PDT Subject: HW: Hawkwind Heresy Message-ID: Hi Rob, > I most humbly apologise, for I committed an outrageous act of > incalculable proportions. > I was on the guest list for the HW gig in Tilburg and I was > just 20 miles from the venue, but I didn't go. Hm, not good, my friend! Steve said he wouldn't go, but did. That's the right spirit! > Please forgive me! No, we won't. :-) > Amsterdam was great though, even if Germany did beat England that > night. Nice to meet up with Jerry, Bill, Ron and their other halves. I guessed everybody had a great time! > The sound and lights were much, much better as were the errrr..... > ..consumables. ;) Who were rolling them? They were so small! :-) I usually have them as thick as about two cigarettes, you made them thinner than one! :-) I guess you are used to that? Steve told me about the prizes he had to pay in NY - $ 600 an ounce?!?! > I met Alan Davey whilst stumbling round the streets of A'dam and > had a quick chat with him. He loved the Nethawks thing and looks > forward to listening to the covers tape. Then he put me on the guest > list for both Dutch gigs, which was cool. Hope you still had a good time not going to the gig! :-) ttyl, Jerry You're right, shame about Germany beating England. Then the final - the Czecks were definitely better than the Germans! Oops, sorry, I said I never watched football... blew it. From stayer at PI.NET Wed Jul 3 20:48:06 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:48:06 PDT Subject: HW: review wanted Message-ID: Jill, >I've just been browsing for mentions of Hawkwind in >rec.music.progressive and I see there's someone there asking for a >review of the Hawkwind show in Amsterdam - apparently a friend of his >went and hated it so he'd like a review from someone else to balance >this. Can anyone help out on this? Was it really that bad? I did a short review the night I came home after the gig. I said it was a great gig! I liked it a lot better than the December 1995 gig I attended. Why did this guy hate it so much? Set list? Show? Audience? I loved all three of those. I mainly listen to the old stuff, but still liked the gig very much. Why don't we wait till Steve is back on the list, and let him do a review? He probaly was too stoned, or not stoned enough. ttyl, Jerry From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jul 4 16:53:07 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 07:53:07 +1100 Subject: HW:pics from this tour. Message-ID: On 4 Jul 96 SKARSOL wrote about HW:pics from this tour.: > hi all. i have a few jpgs. from photos taken by my wife and myself from > this tour.would anyone want me to post them to the list?would anyone > object?i will wait a few days to see if anyone would rather i didn't, > and if someone objects,anyone wanting to see them will have to e-mail me > directly,and i will send via private. > or if anyone who maintains a page wants them,they can put them on the > web.that might be better for those with slow connections or whatever. As \\joe mentioned, I'd gladly put them on my Gallery Page. I'm working a new improved Gallery, which should be finished early next week. If you want to have a peek at the 'alpha' version, it's at http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Gallery.2/ (The format has changed since then, but it'll give you an idea!) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Jul 4 17:27:52 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 21:27:52 +0000 Subject: HW:pics from this tour. Message-ID: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?= wrote: > As \\joe mentioned, I'd gladly put them on my Gallery Page. I'm > working a new improved Gallery, which should be finished early next > week. If you want to have a peek at the 'alpha' version, it's at > http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Gallery.2/ > > (The format has changed since then, but it'll give you an idea!) > > Soniqueright paul- i'll send them to you one at a time.let me know if you've seen enough, or if the quality is too poor to be of use to you. ok.i'll not post to the list.anyone wanting to see them,refer to paul's world. rj From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jul 4 21:17:57 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:17:57 +1100 Subject: HW:pics from this tour. Message-ID: On 4 Jul 96 SKARSOL wrote about Re: HW:pics from this tour.: > > As \\joe mentioned, I'd gladly put them on my Gallery Page. I'm > > working a new improved Gallery, which should be finished early next > > week. If you want to have a peek at the 'alpha' version, it's at > > http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Gallery.2/ > > > > (The format has changed since then, but it'll give you an idea!) > > > > Sonique > right paul- i'll send them to you one at a time.let me know if you've > seen enough, or if the quality is too poor to be of use to you. > ok.i'll not post to the list.anyone wanting to see them,refer to paul's > world. rj Thanks rj ... got 'em! The qulity isn't perfect, but I'll still put them up there. Everyone will have to patient though, because I am *really* busy at the moment, and it might be a few days (or weeks) b4 the Gallery is finished. I'll post to the list when it's done, but in the meantime, go to: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/SKARSOL Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jul 4 22:08:54 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:08:54 +1100 Subject: OFF: My Hawkwind Gallery Message-ID: Hi All, As you all know, I'm building a "Hawkwind Picture Gallery" (ps - thanx for all the contributions ... you must like keeping me busy) Well, I've been trying to decide the best way to present it: 1) Plain old Vanilla Web Page 2) With 'Frames' 3) With Frames and spiced up with JavaScript Some folk have been having problems with my 'frames' version, and the JavaScript version would only be worse. What I want is a vote: Should they: A) Be accessable by anyone or B) You can damn well upgrade your browser if you want to see 'em Mail opinions direct to me (paul at pcmicro.com.au or sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au) .... I'd hate to clutter the list! Best, Paul -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Jul 5 00:05:46 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 23:05:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Purchases Message-ID: Today, Independence Day, I called RPM Records and found out that they were open, despite the holiday, so I took a trip to see what was new. As it turns out, I could not wait any longer and succumbed to the temptation of buying ALLIEENN 4 at the full US$25. *sigh* It's pretty good, though It'll take a bit for me to get into it. So my purchases were: HW: _ALLIEENN_4_ [*jewel-case*, BTW] HW: _Do_Not_Panic_ [finally... I think it's absolutely awesome... also one of the best versions of "Levitation" I've heard yet. It's also the first time I've *ever* heard "Psy Power". I think it's among my top 5 Hawktunes already. :) ] California Guitar Trio: _Yamanashi_Blues_ $60 for 3 CDs... I think I'll be going to Best Buy all the time now. :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers ObAlmostBought: Torn/Karn?/Bozzio _Polytown_, Orbital _In_Sides_ From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Jul 5 02:24:28 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:24:28 -0500 Subject: HW: ? about PXR5s Message-ID: What exactly is different between the LP and CD versions of High Rise? Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Jul 5 03:36:25 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:36:25 +0200 Subject: HW: ? about PXR5s Message-ID: At 01:24 05.07.96 -0500, you wrote: >What exactly is different between the LP and CD versions of High Rise? I suppose that one version (the CD one) is a live version Bernhard From D.M.Bottomley at LBORO.AC.UK Fri Jul 5 08:42:01 1996 From: D.M.Bottomley at LBORO.AC.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:42:01 BST Subject: HW: ? about PXR5s Message-ID: At 01:24 05/07/96 -0500, you wrote: >What exactly is different between the LP and CD versions of High Rise? As I recall, the two are essentially the same version, but for some mysterious reason (i.e. cock-up?) the CD version is missing the first couple of seconds. Dave B > >Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the >aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore >dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers > > From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jul 5 02:49:42 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:49:42 +1100 Subject: HW: Pictures Message-ID: The first two (of many) pictures supplied by Marty Lawrence are now on my WWW site: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/MARTYL/ Thanks Mate! (Excuse the scan of the Hawklords pic ... I'll redo it next week) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From dzeiger at NETCOM.COM Fri Jul 5 03:58:10 1996 From: dzeiger at NETCOM.COM (David Zeiger) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 00:58:10 -0700 Subject: BOC: Freedom Fest '96 Message-ID: Well, I went to Freedom Fest tonight, with Blue Oyster Cult, Kansas, and Styx. It's a good thing I really like Kansas, and somewhat like Styx... Not that it was BOC's fault, mind you. They did a good job, all things considered. Look at what they had going against them. 1) They got to play all of five songs (Stairway, Before the Kiss, Burnin' For You, Godzilla, Reaper). I *knew* it was going to be a rather short set, but that's almost criminal. 2) Stairway had to have the worst mixing job in history. With about 20-30 seconds left in the song, they *finally* realized that Buck, not Eric, was playing lead guitar. Until that time, Eric's playing was *much* louder than Buck's. 3) The microphone gave out a mighty feedback squeal when Eric started singing. I thought those kind of screw-ups were left behind once we got out of public-address gatherings. 4) Right after the squeal, the mixer decided we needed more drums. 5 seconds later, he decided that drowning out hte guitars with percussion *wasn't* such a good idea after all. 5) If I didn't *see* Allan play the keyboards, I wouldn't *know* he was playing the keyboards. 6) Backing vocals were non-existant. After they finished Burnin', Eric said something to the crowd. I have no idea what it was--even when nobody was playing, I couldn't hear him. 7) They actually put Danny's monitor on stage and hooked it up in the middle of Stairway. 8) With Styx's stuff on stage, and Kansas' stuff in front of that, and BOC's stuff in front of that, it was a bit crowded. Not a big deal music-wise, but I bet it was a bit uncomfortable. 9) It's a good thing that their set was in broad daylight. During guitar solos, the spotlight guy would focus on whichever guitar player seemed the most animated. Since Buck pretty much just stands still during complicated solos, it was almost never on him. It's kind of sad that the club that they played at a couple months ago did a better job than the big auditorium. No *wonder* they prefer the club circuit, if this is any example. Ah, well, at least Kansas still does a kick-ass job--I still am amazed every time the lead singer does headstands on his keyboard. Styx seemed rather uninspired. This might have something to do with the fact that they've managed to write one new song in the past 13 years. It's kind of sad that of the three bands there, one has a record deal for a new album (German, true, but a deal's a deal), one *has* a new album, but the one that hasn't done jack in the last decade is the headliner. Then again, the next two shows are Ted Nugent/Bad Company and Foreginer/REO Speedwagon/Frampton, so I guess Styx isn't so bad :-). -- David Zeiger dzeiger at netcom.com Windows 95: The Dracula of Operating Systems--it sucks up all your memory, bleeds your hard drive dry, and only works an average of 12 hours out of every 24. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Jul 5 09:36:50 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:36:50 BST Subject: HW: ? about PXR5s In-Reply-To: Damon C Capehart's message of Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:24:28 -0500 Message-ID: > What exactly is different between the LP and CD versions of High Rise? It's not quite that simple - the first release of the LP had one version, and later releases had the second. The CD has the second version. Both are live, I believe. I think the second version has more Calvert and a shorter guitar solo, or something like that. This is top of my list of HW albums that I want to see remastered, BTW. Then, apart from improving the sound, they could put include both versions of High Rise. Dave. From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 5 10:08:47 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:08:47 BST Subject: HW: review wanted In-Reply-To: Jerry's message of Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:48:06 PDT Message-ID: Jerry writes: > Jill, > > I did a short review the night I came home after the gig. I said it was a > great gig! I liked it a lot better than the December 1995 gig I attended. > oh - yes, you did - I've just found it again (saved it to read at leisure when bored and contemplating the "if only" universe of life). Could I repost it to the prog.music board or would you rather I didn't - or at least not without considerable editing? > Why did this guy hate it so much? Set list? Show? Audience? I loved all three > of those. I mainly listen to the old stuff, but still liked the gig very > much. Not sure - I think, as Ron suggested, he was expecting something different and the band just didn't perform to his expectations. He probably wasn't into Hawkwind in the first place and this show didn't, unfortunately, make him a convert! There are a few around I guess..... > Why don't we wait till Steve is back on the list, and let him do a > review? > yeah - that would be interesting. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Jul 5 05:50:08 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 05:50:08 -0400 Subject: HW: Purchases Message-ID: In the last episode, Monsieur Damon was saying: > >Today, Independence Day, I called RPM Records and found out that they >were open, despite the holiday, so I took a trip to see what was new. As >it turns out, I could not wait any longer and succumbed to the temptation >of buying ALLIEENN 4 at the full US$25. *sigh* It's pretty good, though >It'll take a bit for me to get into it. >So my purchases were: > >HW: _ALLIEENN_4_ [*jewel-case*, BTW] >HW: _Do_Not_Panic_ [finally... I think it's absolutely awesome... also > one of the best versions of "Levitation" I've heard > yet. It's also the first time I've *ever* heard "Psy > Power". I think it's among my top 5 Hawktunes > already. :) ] I recently heard Psy Power for the first time, and must agree this is at the top section of my list ( if I were to make one), but the song that I had to put in the absolute favorite spot after hearing recently is Flying Doctor. I've heard it mentioned before, and I've heard Sun Machine's version, but something about the Hawks version just blows me away (1, 2, 3, 4). See ya, Duane (who is still searching for the cabinet key;-) -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Jul 5 05:52:40 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 05:52:40 -0400 Subject: HW: ? about PXR5s Message-ID: the most knowledgable Bernhard states: > >At 01:24 05.07.96 -0500, you wrote: >>What exactly is different between the LP and CD versions of High Rise? > >I suppose that one version (the CD one) is a live version > > > >Bernhard > > Is the live version on the cd the same as the live version on Best of and the Rest of? See ya, Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Jul 5 06:19:59 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:19:59 +0200 Subject: HW: ? about PXR5s Message-ID: Hi there >>At 01:24 05.07.96 -0500, you wrote: >>>What exactly is different between the LP and CD versions of High Rise? >> >>I suppose that one version (the CD one) is a live version >> >> >Is the live version on the cd the same as the live version on Best of and >the Rest of? Sorry, but I do not have the BEST OF AND THE REST OF so I can't give a comment ttyl Bernhard From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 5 11:59:32 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:59:32 BST Subject: HW: ? about PXR5s In-Reply-To: Damon C Capehart's message of Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:24:28 -0500 Message-ID: Damon C Capehart writes: > What exactly is different between the LP and CD versions of High Rise? Sounds like they're from different gigs on the same tour. The CD version seems to have more echo on Calvert's vocals. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 5 12:00:51 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:00:51 BST Subject: HW: ? about PXR5s In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:36:50 BST Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > > What exactly is different between the LP and CD versions of High Rise? > > It's not quite that simple - the first release of the LP had one version, > and later releases had the second. Nah, I checked this and all releases of the LP had the same version. I had a surfeit of PXR5 LP's at one time.... > Dave. FoFP From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Jul 5 07:16:59 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 07:16:59 -0400 Subject: HW: Purchases In-Reply-To: from "Damon C Capehart" at Jul 4, 96 11:05:46 pm Message-ID: Damon sez-- > So my purchases were: > > HW: _ALLIEENN_4_ [*jewel-case*, BTW] Good for you! I'm getting pretty sick of these "slide the CD into the pocket and scratch the hell out of it" digipacks. I'm mildly reluctant to get Neil Young's new CD, for just that reason. It ticks me off paying full price for crappy packaging. :-P > HW: _Do_Not_Panic_ [finally... I think it's absolutely awesome... also > one of the best versions of "Levitation" I've heard > yet. It's also the first time I've *ever* heard "Psy > Power". I think it's among my top 5 Hawktunes > already. :) ] Is this the box set, or a single-disk compilation? > California Guitar Trio: _Yamanashi_Blues_ Great CD! > ObAlmostBought: Torn/Karn?/Bozzio _Polytown_, Orbital _In_Sides_ I highly recommend Polytown (especially since I know you're a Fripp/KC fan. :-) ). Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 5 13:21:35 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:21:35 BST Subject: HW: ? about PXR5s In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Fri, 5 Jul 1996 05:52:40 -0400 Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > Is the live version on the cd the same as the live version on Best of and > the Rest of? > > See ya, more or less but not exactly..... >From the Codex: High Rise 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield 1 a The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I 1 a Acid Daze Vol. I 1 a Best of Hawkwind 1 b Castle Masters Collection 1 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 2 PXR5 LP 2 Repeat Performance 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 2 Tales From Atom Henge 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 3 * PXR5 CD 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line 5 The Hawklords Live * 1a is a remix of 1 * All versions 1,2 and 3 are from the same tour * Version 2 appeared on the original PXR5 LP. Version 3 appeared on the rerelease and on the PXR5 CD. * 1b the sound of an explosion at the end of version 1 and 1a has been cut out in editing (see British Tribal Music) yours helpfully jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 5 08:32:10 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:32:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkradio in Cambridge! Message-ID: 107 FM (Radio Impulsive) in Cambridge (England) will be running a 2 hour show entitled "Do Not Panic--This is Two Hours of HAWKWIND" between 5pm and 7pm on Sundays, 8 July to 4 August. Unfortunately, their second hour conflicts with _Babylon 5_ on Channel 4, but there you go ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 5 13:37:33 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:37:33 BST Subject: HW: ? about PXR5s In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:21:35 BST Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > Duane Hoyt writes: > > > > Is the live version on the cd the same as the live version on Best of and > > the Rest of? > > > > See ya, > > more or less but not exactly..... > > From the Codex: > > High Rise > > 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals > 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield > 1 a The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind > 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I > 1 a Acid Daze Vol. I > 1 a Best of Hawkwind > 1 b Castle Masters Collection > 1 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] > 2 PXR5 LP > 2 Repeat Performance > 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] > 2 Tales From Atom Henge > 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] > 3 * PXR5 CD > 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line > 5 The Hawklords Live > > * 1a is a remix of 1 > * All versions 1,2 and 3 are from the same tour > * Version 2 appeared on the original PXR5 LP. Version 3 appeared > on the rerelease and on the PXR5 CD. > * 1b the sound of an explosion at the end of version 1 and 1a > has been cut out in editing (see British Tribal Music) This is wrong. I bought all three rerelease Lp's to check this and all LP versions are the same. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 5 13:38:44 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:38:44 BST Subject: HW: Hawkradio in Cambridge! In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:32:10 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > 107 FM (Radio Impulsive) in Cambridge (England) will be running > a 2 hour show entitled "Do Not Panic--This is Two Hours of HAWKWIND" > between 5pm and 7pm on Sundays, 8 July to 4 August. Can someone get a tape of it please? > > Unfortunately, their second hour conflicts with _Babylon 5_ on > Channel 4, but there you go ... Is Bab5 on this week or is it gonna be French Bicycling? FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 5 08:59:33 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:59:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkradio in Cambridge! In-Reply-To: <9607051338.aa13117@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jul 5, 96 01:38:44 pm Message-ID: > Carl E. Anderson writes: > > 107 FM (Radio Impulsive) in Cambridge (England) will be running > > a 2 hour show entitled "Do Not Panic--This is Two Hours of HAWKWIND" > > between 5pm and 7pm on Sundays, 8 July to 4 August. > > Can someone get a tape of it please? That depends heavily on whether I get my radio working ... > > Unfortunately, their second hour conflicts with _Babylon 5_ on > > Channel 4, but there you go ... > > Is Bab5 on this week or is it gonna be French Bicycling? According to their blurb last week when those boobs from hell replaced B5 with French Bicycling, there will be B5 this week ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Jul 5 09:08:52 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:08:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkradio in Cambridge! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 05 Jul 1996 13:32:10 BST." Message-ID: > 107 FM (Radio Impulsive) in Cambridge (England) will be running > a 2 hour show entitled "Do Not Panic--This is Two Hours of HAWKWIND" > between 5pm and 7pm on Sundays, 8 July to 4 August. Probably be swamped out by Suffolk radio here, but thanks for the pointer. How many arms did you twist to get this on air ??? > Unfortunately, their second hour conflicts with _Babylon 5_ on > Channel 4, but there you go ... That's a conflict ??? ;^) Tim From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Fri Jul 5 09:18:11 1996 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:18:11 -0400 Subject: HW: ? about PXR5s In-Reply-To: <15636.9607050836@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > > What exactly is different between the LP and CD versions of High Rise? > > It's not quite that simple - the first release of the LP had one version, > and later releases had the second. The CD has the second version. Both > are live, I believe. I think the second version has more Calvert and a > shorter guitar solo, or something like that. > > This is top of my list of HW albums that I want to see remastered, BTW. > Then, apart from improving the sound, they could put include both versions > of High Rise. > > Dave. > The original version has a lot more harmony in the chorus. In the second, Bob Clavert sounds like he had about 15 shots too many. From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jul 5 14:28:01 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:28:01 BST Subject: HW: Hawkwind Heresy Message-ID: >Who were rolling them? They were so small! :-) I usually have them as thick >as about two cigarettes, you made them thinner than one! :-) I guess you are >used to that? >Steve told me about the prizes he had to pay in NY - $ 600 an ounce?!?! > Wasn't me, I was smoking the Bulldog's ready rolled that day. > > I met Alan Davey whilst stumbling round the streets of A'dam and > > had a quick chat with him. He loved the Nethawks thing and looks > > forward to listening to the covers tape. Then he put me on the guest > > list for both Dutch gigs, which was cool. > > Hope you still had a good time not going to the gig! :-) > Yep, I was drunk in a bar in Breda with some friends, at one point someone said "weren't you going to a gig or something?", the rest is a bit of a blur. bye - Rob From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 5 14:35:07 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:35:07 BST Subject: HW: ? about PXR5s In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:37:33 BST Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > J Strobridge writes: > > > * Version 2 appeared on the original PXR5 LP. Version 3 appeared > > on the rerelease and on the PXR5 CD. > This is wrong. I bought all three rerelease Lp's to check this and all > LP versions are the same. > oops - I thought I had an uptodate version of the Codex. Is your version different? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Jul 5 09:48:47 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 07:48:47 -0600 Subject: BOC: Freedom Fest '96 In-Reply-To: <199607050758.AAA24074@netcom17.netcom.com> Message-ID: Can you PLEASE tell me the name of the venue they palyed at for Freedom Fest? Thanks... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Fri Jul 5 09:52:55 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:52:55 -0500 Subject: Postcard from Dave Brock In-Reply-To: <24209.9607040848@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jul 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > Just liked to say thank you for the tapes and > I must say `Most interesting'. Still working > on the Hawkfan party. We now have a 1,500 > circus tent so we are on the way to the big > party. > Dave B." It's nice to know that he liked it. > The postcard is of the Flamboyant Hotel at St. George's, Grenada, West > Indies, but Dave has added a note saying "By the way I'm not really there". I wish I was :-) > I'm chuffed, > P.S. We did it! Another boc-l project succeeds! Hooray! And I just completed the last copy of the last tape for US Contributors!! So, what's next, the MM poetry book? >-) Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Jul 5 09:55:21 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 06:55:21 PDT Subject: HW: ? about PXR5s In-Reply-To: ; from "Jeremy R. Horne" at Jul 5, 96 9:18 am Message-ID: > > On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > > > > What exactly is different between the LP and CD versions of High Rise? > > > > It's not quite that simple - the first release of the LP had one version, > > and later releases had the second. The CD has the second version. Both > > are live, I believe. I think the second version has more Calvert and a > > shorter guitar solo, or something like that. > > > > This is top of my list of HW albums that I want to see remastered, BTW. > > Then, apart from improving the sound, they could put include both versions > > of High Rise. > > > > Dave. > > > The original version has a lot more harmony in the chorus. In the second, > Bob Clavert sounds like he had about 15 shots too many. > The original version can be found on the "Spirit Of The Age" compilation (and probably on 352 other Hawkwind compilations, but I'm just speaking for what I own...). Having one of the first copies (LP) of PXR5, it was quite jarring to hear a different version of "High Rise". When I made my car tape of the CD, I swapped out the 2nd version for the originial found on the "SotA". objCDPlayer: Andy Pickfords' Psyborg Project: Replicant objPeeve: Having to work after the Fourth objPeeve not so bad: I telecommute now, so I don't have to wear a time no more! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jul 5 11:00:11 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:00:11 EST Subject: off: UK slang? Message-ID: > > I'm chuffed, > > P.S. We did it! Another boc-l project succeeds! > > Hooray! And I just completed the last copy of the last tape for US > Contributors!! > > So, what's next, the MM poetry book? >-) > > Allan. > Just curious as to the meaning of 'Chuffed?' I seem to remember Falstaff calling the victims of his raiding party 'ye fat chuffes.' What is a chuff, and what is being chuffed? theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jul 5 11:04:50 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:04:50 EST Subject: BOC: Freedom Fest '96 Message-ID: > > Can you PLEASE tell me the name of the venue they palyed at for Freedom > Fest? > > Thanks... > > Manuel > Right! and what was the order of appearance? Am I to believe that some asshole put BOC on BEFORE the likes of Styx or Kansas? And the crowd stood for it? What's wrong with the world? theo From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jul 5 15:14:46 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:14:46 BST Subject: off: UK slang? Message-ID: > Just curious as to the meaning of 'Chuffed?' I seem to remember > Falstaff calling the victims of his raiding party 'ye fat chuffes.' > What is a chuff, and what is being chuffed? > theo > In this context it means happy, satisfied or pleased. Alternatively there's an expression "tighter than a gnat's chuff", but we won't go into that! bye - Rob From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri Jul 5 15:11:49 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:11:49 U Subject: off: UK slang? Message-ID: >Just curious as to the meaning of 'Chuffed?' I seem to remember >Falstaff calling the victims of his raiding party 'ye fat chuffes.' >What is a chuff, and what is being chuffed? >theo A 'chuff' is slang for 'arsehole' or 'ringpiece' (as in the phrase "As tight as a gnat's chuff" - meaning to be very careful with money.) Being 'chuffed' however, means to feel extremely pleased with oneself. Bizarre eh? Cheers, Rich. ** The grave of Karl Marx is just another Communist plot ** From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jul 5 11:17:20 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:17:20 EST Subject: off: UK slang? Message-ID: > > Just curious as to the meaning of 'Chuffed?' I seem to remember > > Falstaff calling the victims of his raiding party 'ye fat chuffes.' > > What is a chuff, and what is being chuffed? > > theo > > > > In this context it means happy, satisfied or pleased. > > Alternatively there's an expression "tighter than a gnat's chuff", > but we won't go into that! > > bye - Rob I think that second one must be the one Falstaff had in mind? theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jul 5 11:19:25 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:19:25 EST Subject: off: UK slang? Message-ID: > > A 'chuff' is slang for 'arsehole' or 'ringpiece' (as in the phrase "As = > tight as a gnat's chuff" - meaning to be very careful with money.) > Being 'chuffed' however, means to feel extremely pleased with oneself. > Bizarre eh? > Maybe not. Imagine the pleasure taken by a tightwad in a saving a buck. I guess Jimmy Page is a quintessential chuff? theo > From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Fri Jul 5 10:06:43 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:06:43 CDT Subject: HW: TV gig In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:10:02 BST from Message-ID: >I'd be up for a trade for this. Also if you have this video of a concert >in 1995 that I've heard about.... I'd like to trade for this too. Mike which video from '95 do you refer? >P.S: wasn't someone on this list videoing the Nik gig which had Moorcock >at it (Texas?) - any news on this? >From the grapevine: Plans for an LP only release of the Austin, TX gig w/MM are no more... I have the video of same and its poor quality. To put it in perspective, its slightly better than the DragonCon Sonic Attack w/Eric Bloom. I'm starting to see it more on trading lists now. But there are so many better quality videos from Nikwinds last US tour I'm not sure its worth it. It depends on your MM kompletist factor I guess. Pity the man doesn't film well. :-) PS I'm off to San Jose, CA for two weeks any tips on good records shops or clubs to see live music, anyone? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Doug Bates Systems Analyst Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham Voice (205) 934-9087 Fax (205) 975-7129 Email dbates at uab.edu From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Jul 5 11:08:22 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:08:22 -0400 Subject: BOC: Freedom Fest '96 In-Reply-To: <199607050758.AAA24074@netcom17.netcom.com> from "David Zeiger" at Jul 5, 96 00:58:10 am Message-ID: David said about the poor mixing for BOC.... > > 2) Stairway had to have the worst mixing job in history. With > about 20-30 seconds left in the song, they *finally* realized that > Buck, not Eric, was playing lead guitar. Until that time, Eric's > playing was *much* louder than Buck's. You realize of course, that the HW contingent is saying, "Rhythm guitar much louder than the lead parts, what's wrong with that???" Keith H. (FAA) From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Jul 5 12:35:58 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:35:58 EST Subject: OFF: Looking for Sundial CD EP Message-ID: A few months back I was able to pick up 3 Sundial CD-single EPs from a US company called 'Metro Music', including "Overspill". They have a web catalog at http://www.idsonline.com/business/metro/ (which I have not checked lately to see if they still carry this). I myself am still actively on the hunt for Sundials "Other Way Out" on CD, probably the only Sundial release I am missing. Anybody who wants to trade their old copy, drop me a line... Also, any Sundial live tape traders, send me your list. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObLiveCD: 'Live Drug', Sundial. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Jul 5 11:40:22 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:40:22 PDT Subject: HW: San Jose Music Stores In-Reply-To: <199607051431.KAA07256@listserv.spc.edu>; from "Doug" at Jul 5, 96 9:06 am Message-ID: Doug spewed these electrons across my screen... > > > PS I'm off to San Jose, CA for two weeks any tips on good records shops > or clubs to see live music, anyone? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Doug Bates > Systems Analyst > Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham > Voice (205) 934-9087 Fax (205) 975-7129 > Email dbates at uab.edu > Well, first of all, you are entering the Realm Of Ranjit Padmanabhan, Mecca for Progressive and Electronic Music. While he is 99% mail-order, I have met with the man to make my purchases. I have gotten some stellar recommendations from him (i.e., he introduced me to the Ozrics via STRANGITUDES). You can try emailing him to see if you can set up a meeting, but remember that this business isn't really a business, more of a service to us Prog-heads. He has a family and a real job, so expect your request to be low on the totem pole. Never hurts to ask, though. And he knows some _great_ Indian restaurants. (Hint, hint!) There is another fairly good store (by CA standards, by GA standards, this place is an excellent store) on El Camino Real called The CD Wherehouse. They have a small (last time I was there) Prog section with affordable pricing. They _used_ to have a great selection of ROIO's, but that may have changed. Excellent location for Camel CD's (the creative force of Camel lives in Mountain View). The Tower Records on San Antonio is pretty good, too. I remember going to Streetlights' in downtown SJ about 10 years ago, but mostly found rare vinyl (CD's were still rare at the time). There are numerous other stores in the area that have good selections, but I haven't frequented them. Ameoba and Rasputins (I think Rasputins' is still around) are supposed to have good Prog selections, but this is just what I have heard...oh yeah, these are in Berkeley. The Tower in downtown SF was quite nice, also. Best bet beyond this is to get out the phone book and do some exploring, that's what I do! Haven't hit the club scene there, but it is quite active. And don't miss the Faultline, Stoddard's and The Tied House for some supurb microbrews! Birks is a favorite haunt of mine, excellent food and u-brews from all over the West coast! Have fun! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Jul 5 12:42:25 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:42:25 EST Subject: HW: Moorcock/HW cassette tape Message-ID: After 8 months of waiting for it to arrive, I have finally gotten in the cassette release 'ELRIC Live at the BBC'. This is a tape of readings by M.Moorcock taken from the Elric books, set to the HW tune 'Shade Gate' (I believe that's which tune it is). There are about 8 different short readings, apparently first broadcast on the BBC back in 1994. Total length: 25 mins. Short, but a decent little Kollectors item for those MM/HW fanatics. It is available to members of the Mike Moorcock fan club 'Nomads of the Time Streams' for a small price. If anyone needs info on joining this club, drop an Email to myself or Allan Grohe for contact addresses. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Jul 5 12:58:53 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:58:53 EST Subject: HW: latest HWFB (Summer 96) Message-ID: Just got in latest HW Feedback from Brian Tawn, titled 'Love in Space - Summer 1996'. Apparently a little late crossing the ocean, it contains the June and July tour dates for HW. :-> A few new releases are name-checked, including 'Love in Space' CD, EBS Sampler, 'Ritual of the Solstice' remixes, 'Captured Rotation' by Alan, Adrian Shaw's new one, and Darxtar's 'Sju'. The "Love in Space" CD-single has been held back to be completely remixed. Then (a new tidbit) Brian says he was told by Simon House that Cleopatra will release a live 'Spiral Realms' CD, recorded last year when SR played support on Nik's US tour. Apparently still in the early stages, as no further info was available. _My guess_ is that this will be the Shank Hall Milwaukee WI show, which has already shown up as a very high quality, 37-min audio (and video) in the trade lanes. Also, since Simon actually missed about half of the tour, there are probably not too many shows that are candidates... :-) Almost the last thing Brian says is that the next issue of Hawkfan (#26) will contain a listing for Hawkwind and related internet pages and Email addresses. Sonique and some of the other diligent HW WWW-builders out there probably want to make sure that Brian has your addy covered. If you don't already know how to contact Brian (it is on almost every HW CD these days), send me an Email. Question: has anybody seen Alan Davey's 'Captured Rotation', or the 'Ritual of the Solstice' remixes, or the Spacehead CDs yet? Does anybody have latest release dates for these items? (yes, I remember the recent announcement about corrupted master tapes from Spacehead, and something about 'Captured Rot.' coming out in late July. Any newer info?) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Jul 5 13:05:12 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:05:12 EST Subject: HW: San Jose Music Stores Message-ID: >There is another fairly good store (by CA standards, by GA standards, >this place is an excellent store) on El Camino Real called The CD >Wherehouse. They have a small (last time I was there) Prog section >with affordable pricing. I second that vote. About 4 years ago I picked up 5 rare HW CDs at this location, while on a short business trip to CA. Definitely one to add to your list. CHUCK/Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 5 17:53:53 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:53:53 BST Subject: OFF: UK slang? In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr.'s message of Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:00:11 EST Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. writes: > > > I'm chuffed, > Just curious as to the meaning of 'Chuffed?' I seem to remember > Falstaff calling the victims of his raiding party 'ye fat chuffes.' > What is a chuff, and what is being chuffed? > theo heh - I love these Could be a spelling problem here as well as a mixture of absorbed languages over the years. Leastways: a chough (pronounced chuff from Middle English language period) is a bird - large and glossy black with red legs which is related to the crow family. also from Middle English is chuff (chuffe) a boor or churl (i.e. crude, aggressive, uneducated peasant) but then there's: chuff (imitation) a noisy exhaust or exhalation chuffy (English dialect) fat or chubby and chuffed (colloquial) very pleased Falstaff's comment could be comparing them to fat birds but then he could be describing them as boors as well I guess. chuffed meaning pleased could come from being chubby and happy (all chuffed up?) perhaps? yours in linguistic confusion jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Jul 5 12:48:33 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:48:33 -0500 Subject: HW: latest HWFB (Summer 96) Message-ID: > Question: has anybody seen Alan Davey's 'Captured Rotation', or > the 'Ritual of the Solstice' remixes, or the Spacehead CDs yet? > Does anybody have latest release dates for these items? Check out the EBS information page on the Official Hawkwind Home Page: http://www.hawkwind.com Yours, Star_rats at hawkwind.com From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jul 5 14:08:58 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:08:58 EST Subject: OFF: UK slang? Message-ID: > chuff (chuffe) a boor or churl (i.e. crude, aggressive, uneducated > peasant) > > chuffy (English dialect) fat or chubby > and > chuffed (colloquial) very pleased > > Falstaff's comment could be comparing them to fat birds but then he > could be describing them as boors as well I guess. > > yours in linguistic confusion > > jill > It's interesting, because Falstaff is generally mocking them for being fat, which he was himself. But I like the idea of calling the rich guys boors, which, again, he was himself. Mocking someone just like yourself. Typical WS... theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 5 13:42:00 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:42:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Looking for Sundial CD EP In-Reply-To: <9607051135.A18417@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Jul 5, 96 11:35:58 am Message-ID: > A few months back I was able to pick up 3 Sundial CD-single EPs > from a US company called 'Metro Music', including "Overspill". > They have a web catalog at http://www.idsonline.com/business/metro/ > (which I have not checked lately to see if they still carry this). Ack! How dare you not post this to the list sooner! ;) I've been looking for this for ages ... I couldn't find it in their rather scattered catalogs myself, but perhaps it was merely hidden from me. (Probably not with my luck :P ) > I myself am still actively on the hunt for Sundials "Other Way Out" > on CD, probably the only Sundial release I am missing. Anybody > who wants to trade their old copy, drop me a line... Ah, I have a spare copy on cassette, but only managed to scrounge one CD copy of this ever (at Tower in London of all places! I guess no one else looking for it had thought to look there!) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jul 5 13:39:47 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:39:47 -0400 Subject: BOC: Freedom Fest '96 Message-ID: >David said about the poor mixing for BOC.... > >> >> 2) Stairway had to have the worst mixing job in history. With >> about 20-30 seconds left in the song, they *finally* realized that >> Buck, not Eric, was playing lead guitar. Until that time, Eric's >> playing was *much* louder than Buck's. > >You realize of course, that the HW contingent is saying, "Rhythm guitar much >louder than the lead parts, what's wrong with that???" Stun guitar, not rhythm... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 5 13:48:59 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:48:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkradio in Cambridge! In-Reply-To: <199607051309.OAA24073@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Jul 5, 96 02:08:52 pm Message-ID: > > 107 FM (Radio Impulsive) in Cambridge (England) will be running > > a 2 hour show entitled "Do Not Panic--This is Two Hours of HAWKWIND" > > between 5pm and 7pm on Sundays, 8 July to 4 August. > > Probably be swamped out by Suffolk radio here, but thanks for the pointer. > How many arms did you twist to get this on air ??? Strangely, it has nothing to do with me! I'm just passing along info I saw in a flyer ... > > Unfortunately, their second hour conflicts with _Babylon 5_ on > > Channel 4, but there you go ... > > That's a conflict ??? ;^) Not really ;) Since I've heard the bulk of recorded Hawkwind material and own a substantial fraction of it B5 wins unless these guys are broadcasting weird live material! ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 4 13:19:08 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:19:08 +0100 Subject: HW:pics from this tour. In-Reply-To: <31DBC011.1B16@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: In message <31DBC011.1B16 at ix.netcom.com>, SKARSOL writes >hi all. i have a few jpgs. from photos taken by my wife and myself from >this tour.would anyone want me to post them to the list?would anyone >object?i will wait a few days to see if anyone would rather i didn't, >and if someone objects,anyone wanting to see them will have to e-mail me >directly,and i will send via private. >or if anyone who maintains a page wants them,they can put them on the >web.that might be better for those with slow connections or whatever. >rj Hi Urlik! I'd like to see them, even at 14.4! I'd prefer them e-mail, private or list. My mail comes in about seven time fast than the web at the moment :( -- Jon Browne From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Jul 5 14:23:09 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:23:09 -0400 Subject: BOC: Freedom Fest '96 In-Reply-To: from "Ted Jackson jr." at Jul 5, 96 10:04:50 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. writes: > > Right! and what was the order of appearance? Am I to believe that > some asshole put BOC on BEFORE the likes of Styx or Kansas? And the > crowd stood for it? What's wrong with the world? "The crowd"? How many of them do you think were there for BOC? Steve swann at panix.com From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jul 5 15:27:14 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:27:14 EST Subject: BOC: Freedom Fest '96 Message-ID: > Ted Jackson jr. writes: > > > > Right! and what was the order of appearance? Am I to believe that > > some asshole put BOC on BEFORE the likes of Styx or Kansas? And the > > crowd stood for it? What's wrong with the world? > > "The crowd"? How many of them do you think were there for BOC? > > Steve > swann at panix.com Oh, at least a half-dozen or so! But seriously, BOC have been 'on tour forever, more or less continuously for the last 20 plus years. Didn't Styx and Kansas completely break up and stay broken up for several years? Seems as though there ought to be some kind of 'grandfather clause' for seniority or something... theo From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Fri Jul 5 14:44:02 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (Ross P. Reyes) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:44:02 EDT Subject: BOC: Freedom Fest '96 Message-ID: > Didn't Styx and Kansas completely break up and stay broken up for > several years? That's what BOC should have done. They'd be back now with a full lineup;just like Kiss.... Opening for them on the senior tour. RR From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 5 16:18:30 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:18:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: Fu Manchu, London, 9 July (Tuesday) Message-ID: Anyone from the list going to see Fu Manchu in London on Tuesday? At the Camden Underworld or something like that. Fu Manchu, for ye what ken them not, are a heavy, fuzzed-out guitar band from CA. Opened for Monster Magnet on the US tour last year and they were a good match. Scott Heller will vouch for these guys being cool, I think :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From dzeiger at NETCOM.COM Fri Jul 5 17:00:18 1996 From: dzeiger at NETCOM.COM (David Zeiger) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:00:18 -0700 Subject: BOC: Freedom Fest '96 In-Reply-To: from "Ted Jackson jr." at Jul 5, 96 10:04:50 am Message-ID: > > > > > Can you PLEASE tell me the name of the venue they palyed at for Freedom > > Fest? Sure--the Coca-Cola Starplex Amphitheater. > Right! and what was the order of appearance? Am I to believe that > some asshole put BOC on BEFORE the likes of Styx or Kansas? And the > crowd stood for it? What's wrong with the world? Now, the crowd didn't stand for it. The crowd didn't even bother showing *up* until BOC had left the stage (I'd guess only about 50% were there at that time). But they didn't start standing until Styx came out, at which point they all refused to sit down (which still baffles me at concerts--can you *really* see better if you're standing up?) On the good side, however, the place is built so that the reserved seating is enclosed, with open-air lawn seating behind. When the big fireworks display went off, Styx was still playing, so all of the rabid Styx-fans missed the fireworks, while those of us who didn't really care that much migraded out to the lawn to see the show :-). Oh, the concert was also apparantly played over the Internet, but I don't know where it was, or if it was just limited to the Styx part of the show. Finally, while I don't *really* mind that my last message was apparantly reposted to the Styx list, I'd appreceate it if I was actually *asked* about it next time--had I known I was going to be talking to a Styx crowd as well, I would have clarified the no-album thing (Styx-sans-Tommy Shaw put out an album in 1990, but throughout last night, they were claiming that Styx had not been together since 1983). -- David Zeiger dzeiger at netcom.com Windows 95: The Dracula of Operating Systems--it sucks up all your memory, bleeds your hard drive dry, and only works an average of 12 hours out of every 24. From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Fri Jul 5 17:04:17 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:04:17 +0100 Subject: HW: TV gig Message-ID: >dcapehar at utdallas.edu wrote >Is this the one from VH-1? If so, I'd like to know how a person got a >hold of it. > I posted a while back that I don't mind putting this on a tape for anyone that wants it. Just send a blank tape plus return postage and I'll do the rest. People outside the UK might find it cheaper sending money for me to buy the blank tape...saves postage on sending a tape over (though it's up to you...I'm not asking for your cash!). Anyone that's interested can e-mail me for more details. Dave From stayer at PI.NET Fri Jul 5 01:19:58 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 22:19:58 PDT Subject: HW: TV gig Message-ID: >> P.S: wasn't someone on this list videoing the Nik gig which had Moorcock >> at it (Texas?) - any news on this? > >> FoFPhey mike.i know the guy(somewhat)who has these tapes{the professional ones intended >for the cleo release},and i will eventually get a copy.when i do i will forward a copy >to you,and you can circulate it in uk and europe. rj Alright! This is good news... Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Fri Jul 5 01:24:37 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 22:24:37 PDT Subject: Postcard from Dave Brock Message-ID: Dave wrote / quoted: > I must say `Most interesting'. Still working > on the Hawkfan party. We now have a 1,500 > circus tent so we are on the way to the big > party. I remember people talking about this some time ago. Where and when will this take place? HW and a circus tent: a reference to... Nektar! Calvert did some voices on their Down To Earth album. Well, just came to mind. :-) >P.S. We did it! Another boc-l project succeeds! This is good! Jerry From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Fri Jul 5 20:20:33 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:20:33 CDT Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! Message-ID: I had to logon and drop one more rumor, before I leave town... Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques will be released on CD in about a month or so on Griffin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Packaging for both will include info from the respective tour programs. Each will have one bonus track, Psychedelic Warlords (RCA version?) and Trans Dimentional Man. Apparently this has been a covert operation to prevent any attempts at sabotage by DS. At any rate the CDs have been pressed and all systems are go... It seems the upcoming release by Alan Davey has a track called Nova Drive, wonder if this is an ode to a bootlegger? Kollectors note: The Alien4 "distributed by Griffin" has a different picture in the booklet. :-) I'm not making this up, nor can I verify this since I own neither (I bought the LP for the bonus track). wish my pockets were as deep as space, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Doug Bates Systems Analyst Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham Voice (205) 934-9087 Fax (205) 975-7129 Email dbates at uab.edu From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Jul 5 22:37:46 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:37:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: Freedom Fest '96 In-Reply-To: from "Ted Jackson jr." at Jul 5, 96 02:27:14 pm Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. writes: > > > Ted Jackson jr. writes: > > > > > > Right! and what was the order of appearance? Am I to believe that > > > some asshole put BOC on BEFORE the likes of Styx or Kansas? And the > > > crowd stood for it? What's wrong with the world? > > > > "The crowd"? How many of them do you think were there for BOC? > > > > Steve > > swann at panix.com > > Oh, at least a half-dozen or so! But seriously, BOC have been 'on > tour forever, more or less continuously for the last 20 plus years. > Didn't Styx and Kansas completely break up and stay broken up for > several years? Seems as though there ought to be some kind of > 'grandfather clause' for seniority or something... Quite likely the truth is that BOC benfitted more from the exposure than Styx or Kansas gained from having them there. I mean, most BOC fans aren't going to be interested in Styx. But for BOC - being seen by a large crowd might have the effect of reminding some of those people that they used to like BOC 20 years ago. It almost certainly got them seen by more people than their last stealth-raid concert in that area. I think Ross Reyes might have something, with his comment about how BOC would probably have benefitted from having been broken up for 10 years. Then when they got back together, it might have generated a spark, both within the band, and among their fan base. Instead of another same old, same old year in the endless tour. You know, Styx has been back together for about 4 months, and they already have 3 new songs. Steve swann at panix.com From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Jul 5 20:30:15 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:30:15 +0000 Subject: HW: TV gig Message-ID: Jerry wrote: > > >> P.S: wasn't someone on this list videoing the Nik gig which had Moorcock > >> at it (Texas?) - any news on this? > > > >> FoFPhey mike.i know the guy(somewhat)who has these tapes{the professional > ones intended > >for the cleo release},and i will eventually get a copy.when i do i will > forward a copy > >to you,and you can circulate it in uk and europe. rj > > Alright! This is good news... > > Jerrythe guy who has this,i think runs the co. that was to produce it.the source videos were all messed up,it was to be taken from several tapes. in some of them, the date indicator was left on,there are no real long shots.and no long scenes. i haven't seen it, but i understand that the brevity of the shots,and the speed at which the scenes change, give it a fairly psychedelic effect.i am told that considering what there was to work with, the end result isn't bad. this may be some time in coming, so be patient. rj From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Jul 5 20:38:21 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:38:21 +0000 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! Message-ID: Doug wrote: > > I had to logon and drop one more rumor, before I leave town... > > Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques will be released on CD in about > a month or so on Griffin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Packaging for both will include info from the respective tour programs. > Each will have one bonus track, Psychedelic Warlords (RCA version?) and > Trans Dimentional Man. Apparently this has been a covert operation to > prevent any attempts at sabotage by DS. At any rate the CDs have been > pressed and all systems are go...okay doug, name your source.not more than a week ago,dave brock said to me that we will most likely never see either of these on cd. so i wonder,if this is so,will hw see any return at all from this? btw-i heard this news about 3 days ago.so don't take my doubt personal. rj From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sat Jul 6 00:54:02 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:54:02 -0500 Subject: BOC: Freedom Fest '96 In-Reply-To: <199607051823.OAA08402@phantom.mindvox.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Stephen Swann wrote: > "The crowd"? How many of them do you think were there for BOC? Very few... doors opened at 4:30, BOC went on at 5:30, at the peak of the day on the bad end of a heat wave - a record-breaking 106F (41C) for July 4. I doubt anyone was anywhere near either seating area. You could cook an egg in the shade. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sat Jul 6 00:59:05 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:59:05 -0500 Subject: HW: Purchases In-Reply-To: <9607051116.AA12498@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Guido Vacano wrote: > Damon sez-- > > HW: _Do_Not_Panic_ > Is this the box set, or a single-disk compilation? Um, there's a _Do_Not_Panic_ box set?!? > > ObAlmostBought: Torn/Karn?/Bozzio _Polytown_, Orbital _In_Sides_ > I highly recommend Polytown (especially since I know you're a Fripp/KC > fan. :-) ). Will do. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sat Jul 6 01:05:59 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 00:05:59 -0500 Subject: HW: Re: CYM and Sonic A. (was NEWS FLASH!!) In-Reply-To: <31DDB57D.8E@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jul 1996, SKARSOL wrote: > okay doug, name your source.not more than a week ago,dave brock said to > me that we will most likely never see either of these on cd. > so i wonder,if this is so,will hw see any return at all from this? > btw-i heard this news about 3 days ago.so don't take my doubt personal. His source (same as mine) is Mike Coleman, whose source is Brian "The Horse's Mouth" Tawn. I'd say Tawn is a purty good source. :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers P.S.: I now officially have a date to the Dead Can Dance concert! :) :) From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sat Jul 6 05:01:23 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 04:01:23 -0500 Subject: HW: TV gig In-Reply-To: <199607051431.KAA07256@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Doug wrote: > >P.S: wasn't someone on this list videoing the Nik gig which had Moorcock > >at it (Texas?) - any news on this? > > >From the grapevine: Plans for an LP only release of the Austin, TX gig > w/MM are no more... I have the video of same and its poor quality. To > put it in perspective, its slightly better than the DragonCon Sonic Attack > w/Eric Bloom. I'm starting to see it more on trading lists now. But there > are so many better quality videos from Nikwinds last US tour I'm not sure > its worth it. It depends on your MM kompletist factor I guess. Pity the > man doesn't film well. :-) I presume this video is the same source as that RJ (skarsol) mentioned, but is it the same quality? RJ's sounded like it might be better than this one, but I thought I'd ask.... Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stayer at PI.NET Sat Jul 6 04:40:54 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:40:54 PDT Subject: HW:pics from this tour. Message-ID: Paul, >> hi all. i have a few jpgs. from photos taken by my wife and myself from >> this tour.would anyone want me to post them to the list?would anyone >> object?i will wait a few days to see if anyone would rather i didn't, >> and if someone objects,anyone wanting to see them will have to e-mail me >> directly,and i will send via private. >> or if anyone who maintains a page wants them,they can put them on the >> web.that might be better for those with slow connections or whatever. >As \\joe mentioned, I'd gladly put them on my Gallery Page. I'm >working a new improved Gallery, which should be finished early next >week. If you want to have a peek at the 'alpha' version, it's at >http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Gallery.2/ Wouldn't it be a good idea to have the HW gig list / tape list on your Gallery? I asked Bernhard what he though about it. I'm doing the BOCbase at the moment, but why shouldn't there be such a thing for HW? That is, if you haven't done this already, of course. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sat Jul 6 04:56:07 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:56:07 PDT Subject: HW: review wanted Message-ID: >Jerry writes: >> I did a short review the night I came home after the gig. I said it was a >> great gig! I liked it a lot better than the December 1995 gig I attended. Jill replies: >oh - yes, you did - I've just found it again (saved it to read at >leisure when bored and contemplating the "if only" universe of life). >Could I repost it to the prog.music board or would you rather I didn't >- or at least not without considerable editing? Editing? Did I do that bad a job in writing? Re-post it if you like, of course. >> Why did this guy hate it so much? Set list? Show? Audience? I loved all >> of those. I mainly listen to the old stuff, but still liked the gig very >> much. >Not sure - I think, as Ron suggested, he was expecting something >different and the band just didn't perform to his expectations. He >probably wasn't into Hawkwind in the first place and this show >didn't, unfortunately, make him a convert! There are a few around I >guess..... Still? :-) Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sat Jul 6 05:05:55 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 02:05:55 PDT Subject: HW: Hawkwind Heresy Message-ID: Rob, >>Who were rolling them? They were so small! :-) I usually have them as thick >>as about two cigarettes, you made them thinner than one! :-) I guess you >>used to that? >>Steve told me about the prizes he had to pay in NY - $ 600 an ounce?!?! > Wasn't me, I was smoking the Bulldog's ready rolled that day. Yeah, you were already out of any part of your mind even before we met! Shit, I didn't know the Bulldog had ready rolled. I don't smoke tobacco, so I don't know how to roll! >> Hope you still had a good time not going to the gig! :-) > Yep, I was drunk in a bar in Breda with some friends, at one point > someone said "weren't you going to a gig or something?", the rest is > a bit of a blur. I envy you! I remember what I did that day! :-) Jerry From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jul 6 08:31:14 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 13:31:14 +0100 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! In-Reply-To: <199607060122.VAA10302@listserv.spc.edu> from "Doug" at Jul 5, 96 07:20:33 pm Message-ID: > Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques will be released on CD in about > a month or so on Griffin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Far out! Gotta make sure to snag copies before DS has a spaz and sues them for releasing (heresy!) HW albums :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Jul 6 06:20:23 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:20:23 +0000 Subject: HW: TV gig Message-ID: Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: > > On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Doug wrote: > > > >P.S: wasn't someone on this list videoing the Nik gig which had Moorcock > > >at it (Texas?) - any news on this? > > > > >From the grapevine: Plans for an LP only release of the Austin, TX gig > > w/MM are no more... I have the video of same and its poor quality. To > > put it in perspective, its slightly better than the DragonCon Sonic Attack > > w/Eric Bloom. I'm starting to see it more on trading lists now. But there > > are so many better quality videos from Nikwinds last US tour I'm not sure > > its worth it. It depends on your MM kompletist factor I guess. Pity the > > man doesn't film well. :-) > > I presume this video is the same source as that RJ (skarsol) mentioned, > but is it the same quality? RJ's sounded like it might be better than > this one, but I thought I'd ask.... > > Allan.i would think that this is probably one of the tapes used to create the one i spoke of.any further questions about it should be refered to bill stewart,who probably knows more about it than i.bill is the man who actually knows the guy with the tape. rj From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Jul 6 06:22:47 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:22:47 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Heresy Message-ID: Jerry wrote: > I didn't know the Bulldog had ready rolled. I don't smoke tobacco, so I don't > know how to roll!it probably doesn't matter.all the prerolls i saw were 1/2 tobacco anyway. rj From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sat Jul 6 10:08:46 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:08:46 -0400 Subject: HW: Purchases In-Reply-To: from "Damon C Capehart" at Jul 5, 96 11:59:05 pm Message-ID: Damon sez-- > > > HW: _Do_Not_Panic_ > > Is this the box set, or a single-disk compilation? > Um, there's a _Do_Not_Panic_ box set?!? Sorry, my brain had gas. :-P I was thinking of the 25 years box set. > > ObAlmostBought: Torn/Karn?/Bozzio _Polytown_, Orbital _In_Sides_ > > I highly recommend Polytown (especially since I know you're a Fripp/KC > > fan. :-) ). > Will do. I'm becoming a serious David Torn nut. Polytown is a great CD. I would also recommend (in order of increasing accessibility :-) ) Best Laid Plans, What Means Solid Traveler?, and Cloud About Mercury (with Tony Levin and Bill Bruford). Guido obWAITING--Ordered a CD with David Torn and L. Shankar. The mind boggles! :-) -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sat Jul 6 10:20:34 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:20:34 -0400 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! In-Reply-To: <199607060122.VAA10302@listserv.spc.edu> from "Doug" at Jul 5, 96 07:20:33 pm Message-ID: Doug says-- > I had to logon and drop one more rumor, before I leave town... > > Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques will be released on CD in about > a month or so on Griffin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 'bout time, innit? :-) > Packaging for both will include info from the respective tour programs. > Each will have one bonus track, Psychedelic Warlords (RCA version?) and > Trans Dimentional Man. That's great! I really like Trans Dimensional Man, and I hoped it would turn up on one of the compilation CDs. Attaching it to one of the RCA Active releases is even better! Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jul 6 08:06:35 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 13:06:35 +0100 Subject: OFF (was) HW: Purchases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Damon C Capehart writes >Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the >aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore >dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers > >ObAlmostBought: Torn/Karn?/Bozzio _Polytown_, Orbital _In_Sides_ Orbital..personally *very highly* rated! Try and find the Peel Sessions. -- Jon Browne From stayer at PI.NET Sat Jul 6 14:47:04 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 11:47:04 PDT Subject: HW: TV gig Message-ID: >> >> P.S: wasn't someone on this list videoing the Nik gig which had >> >> at it (Texas?) - any news on this? >> >> FoFPhey mike.i know the guy(somewhat)who has these tapes{the >> ones intended >> >for the cleo release},and i will eventually get a copy.when i do i will >> forward a copy >> >to you,and you can circulate it in uk and europe. rj >> Alright! This is good news... >> Jerrythe guy who has this,i think runs the co. that was to produce it.the >source videos were all messed up,it was to be taken from several tapes. >in some of them, the date indicator was left on,there are no real long >this may be some time in coming, so be patient. rj Keep us informed! Jerry From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sat Jul 6 18:27:56 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 18:27:56 BST Subject: OFF: Looking for Sundial CD EP In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:35:58 EST Message-ID: cjohnson writes: > I myself am still actively on the hunt for Sundials "Other Way Out" > on CD, probably the only Sundial release I am missing. Anybody This was being advertised by C&D in their last catalogue (Tel: 01382 776595) (Fax: 01382 736702). There's no sign of Overspill anywhere though - sorry folks. jill ObSurprise> Trees "On The Shore" though I had to put the album in the bath and wash it first before I could hear anything! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Sat Jul 6 15:37:13 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 15:37:13 -0400 Subject: BOC: Freedom Fest '96 Message-ID: Oops!! Sorry, Dave. I posted your review to the BOC folder on AOL without asking you. Did I screw up? If so, I apologize. I just posted it there because I thought it would be of interest to other BOC fans... Fortunately, your review was pretty positive on BOC... Ric From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sat Jul 6 23:02:09 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:02:09 -0400 Subject: OFF was HW: Purchases In-Reply-To: <9607061408.AA15334@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: In <9607061408.AA15334 at beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu>, on 07/06/96 at 10:08 AM, Guido Vacano said: >Damon sez-- >> > ObAlmostBought: Torn/Karn?/Bozzio _Polytown_, Orbital _In_Sides_ >> > I highly recommend Polytown (especially since I know you're a Fripp/KC >> > fan. :-) ). >> Will do. >I'm becoming a serious David Torn nut. Polytown is a great CD. I would >also recommend (in order of increasing accessibility :-) ) Best Laid >Plans, What Means Solid Traveler?, and Cloud About Mercury (with Tony >Levin and Bill Bruford). I have Tripping over God and Cloud About Mercury. I like Tripping more. Jerry ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jul 7 08:35:58 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:35:58 +1100 Subject: HW:pics from this tour. Message-ID: On 6 Jul 96 Jerry wrote about Re: HW:pics from this tour.: > Paul, > > Wouldn't it be a good idea to have the HW gig list / tape list on your > Gallery? I asked Bernhard what he though about it. I'm doing the BOCbase at > the moment, but why shouldn't there be such a thing for HW? That is, if you > haven't done this already, of course. Jerry, Bernhard's lists (as well as FoFP/Jill's Codex & Discog. HawkJoe's "Top 100", etc.) are allready on my /Hawkwind/files page. While on the topic ... the "Keep it Simple, Stupid" votes won! The (as near to as my current work schedule will allow) Hawkwind Gallery is now up at: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/Gallery Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jul 7 08:38:28 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:38:28 +1100 Subject: HW: latest HWFB (Summer 96) Message-ID: On 5 Jul 96 cjohnson wrote about HW: latest HWFB (Summer 96): > Almost the last thing Brian says is that the next issue of Hawkfan > (#26) will contain a listing for Hawkwind and related internet > pages and Email addresses. Sonique and some of the other diligent > HW WWW-builders out there probably want to make sure that Brian > has your addy covered. If you don't already know how to contact > Brian (it is on almost every HW CD these days), send me an Email. I think I posted about this idea a few months ago ... Brian mentioned it on a HW F/B I got after I snailed him a printout of my WWW pages ... He said that if you want to send in your URL's (my word, not his ), to write it down *VERY* carefully 'coz he has absolutely no idea what it's all about, and would hate to have any typos! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sun Jul 7 14:00:00 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:00:00 +0200 Subject: OFF: Fu Manchu, London, 9 July (Tuesday) Message-ID: Carl writes: > Anyone from the list going to see Fu Manchu in London on >Tuesday? At the Camden Underworld or something like that. > > Fu Manchu, for ye what ken them not, are a heavy, fuzzed-out >guitar band from CA. Opened for Monster Magnet on the US tour last >year and they were a good match. Scott Heller will vouch for these >guys being cool, I think :) > >Cheers, >Carl > ...ehrm I'm not going... but I just wonder if you have heard their new CD? I think there is a new one out now, but I'm not sure -Fu Manchu aren't THAT big in Sweden, so nobody has never heard of them... (but I have got _Daredevil_ :-) ) o:dmjukt -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sun Jul 7 14:17:14 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:17:14 +0200 Subject: BOC: Freedom Fest '96 Message-ID: Steve writes: >You know, Styx has been back together for about 4 months, and they >already have 3 new songs. > ACKPH!!! STYX! Are they still wearing stripes? This most have been one of the most silly band I ever have heard of... :-) a:nnu o:dmjukare a:n fo:rrut -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jul 7 17:10:49 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:10:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: Fu Manchu, London, 9 July (Tuesday) In-Reply-To: <199607071800.TAA04122@mcfs1.mc.hik.se> from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Jul 7, 96 08:00:00 pm Message-ID: > ...ehrm I'm not going... but I just wonder if you have heard their new CD? > I think there is a new one out now, but I'm not sure -Fu Manchu aren't THAT= > =20 > big in Sweden, so nobody has never heard of them... (but I have got=20 > _Daredevil_ :-) ) Haven't heard the new one, though Scott tells me its really good. I do have Daredevil and it's pretty enjoyable. Very heavy power-fuzz :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun Jul 7 22:40:49 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:40:49 -0700 Subject: OFF: Glastonbury Fayre LP Message-ID: I managed to score a copy of this baby over the weekend. I'm ecstatic, but I think I'm missing some accessories. I've got the outer bag, pyramid and booklet. Anything else? Wylie From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jul 7 22:05:18 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:05:18 +1100 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies Photos' Message-ID: Hi all, Just surfed past Phil Frank's "Philm Freax Gallery". He has some Pink Fairies picturs there on http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/pinkfairies/ Sonique -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun Jul 7 19:13:33 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:13:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: Glastonbury Fayre LP Message-ID: William Stone wrote: > > I managed to score a copy of this baby over the weekend. I'm > ecstatic, but I think I'm missing some accessories. I've got the outer > bag, pyramid and booklet. Anything else? > > Wyliei only have the cd,but i have two different booklets included. rj From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Jul 8 10:59:18 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:59:18 BST Subject: Postcard from Dave Brock In-Reply-To: Jerry's message of Thu, 4 Jul 1996 22:24:37 PDT Message-ID: > I remember people talking about this some time ago. Where and when will this > take place? I assume he's referring to the afternoon of the Langtree festival. It's on July 27th, at Langtree in Devon. There's a web-page about it somewhere. Dave. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Jul 8 10:37:25 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:37:25 -0400 Subject: BOC: List Of Shows Message-ID: Would whoever is doing the MASSIVE inception to date BOC list of shows please get ahold of ME262 at aol.com. He wanted to help with some ot the Illinois dates over the years. R. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jul 8 10:53:52 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:53:52 -0400 Subject: Hi - I'm back Message-ID: Hi fellow BOC-Lers: I've returned after my week's vacation - anybody miss me? ;-) Thought not. Any significant BOC or Brain Surgeons news transpire in the last week or so (not that I expected the new BOC album to suddenly be released or anything). On a (slightly) related Brain Surgeons note: You may know that tBS guitarist Billy Hilfiger's brother is the ever-popular designer Tommy Hilfiger. I was up in Maine last week and stopped by the Tommy Hilfiger outlet store - picked up a few shirts, but was dismayed that they weren't playing any tBS music in the store. John From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jul 8 11:33:29 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:33:29 -0400 Subject: Hi - I'm back Message-ID: >Hi fellow BOC-Lers: >On a (slightly) related Brain Surgeons note: You may know that tBS >guitarist Billy Hilfiger's brother is the ever-popular designer Tommy >Hilfiger. I was up in Maine last week and stopped by the Tommy Hilfiger >outlet store - picked up a few shirts, but was dismayed that they weren't >playing any tBS music in the store. Hmmmmm maybe Tommy could design a Brain Surgeons t-shirt? +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Mon Jul 8 11:52:00 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:52:00 -0500 Subject: Postcard from Dave Brock Message-ID: At 10:59 AM 7/8/96 BST, you wrote: >> I remember people talking about this some time ago. Where and when will this >> take place? > >I assume he's referring to the afternoon of the Langtree festival. >It's on July 27th, at Langtree in Devon. There's a web-page about it >somewhere. There is information about this Festival on the Official Hawkwind WWW Site. Go to http://www.hawkwind.com/27thjuly.htm for more details. Yours, Star_rats at hawkwind.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Jul 8 12:54:48 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:54:48 -0400 Subject: Hi - I'm back In-Reply-To: <199607081453.KAA03768@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Jul 8, 96 10:53:52 am Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > > On a (slightly) related Brain Surgeons note: You may know that tBS > guitarist Billy Hilfiger's brother is the ever-popular designer Tommy > Hilfiger. So that's true? I always thought they (tBS) were just joking around when they mentioned that. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jul 8 13:22:56 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 18:22:56 +0100 Subject: Hi - I'm back In-Reply-To: <199607081654.MAA11113@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jul 8, 96 12:54:48 pm Message-ID: > > On a (slightly) related Brain Surgeons note: You may know that tBS > > guitarist Billy Hilfiger's brother is the ever-popular designer Tommy > > Hilfiger. > > So that's true? I always thought they (tBS) were just joking around > when they mentioned that. :-) True indeed--speaking of which, last time I was in London I saw someone with a Tommy Hilfiger shirt. Don't think they were a tBS fan though ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Jul 8 13:31:54 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:31:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Love On 2 CDs Message-ID: I just figured out the following from the web page (since I don't have the album yet): CD-1 clocks in at approx. 48:18, CD 2 clocks in at approx. 41:11. Now, that means that each disk of Love In Space in only slightly more than half-filled with hawkmusic. Hawkwind have been known (recently, anyway) for being plenty more efficient with their albums. Albums like Tepee, Business, Business Trip, and ALLIEENN 4 each contained over an hour of music. As most of you know, a CD has room enough for 80:00 of music. LIS could have very easily been cut 10 minutes to fit a single CD. Certainly HW didn't have to include yet another live version of Death Trap/Wastelands /AYLYM?, especially when one was included on the previous album, released less than a year before (that's 9:25 right there). And certainly we can do without yet another version of Welcome (2:10, leaving LIS with 77:54, just enough to fill a single CD and save bundles, both to the manufacturer on wasted plastic, and of course to the consumer). And if you don't like the prospect of losing "Welcome", then certainly we could do without any number of the tracks that are - what - 90% studio sequences anyway. What do you think? Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon Jul 8 15:16:51 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:16:51 -0500 Subject: Porc Tree tapes Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive Path: news2.delphi.com!news.delphi.com!news2.near.net!news3.near.net!bigboote.WPI.EDU!news.ultranet.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!newshost.convex.com!news.onramp.net!zdc!zdc-e!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.euro.net!venus.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.o From: didier at tip.nl (Didier) Subject: Porcupine Tree X-Nntp-Posting-Host: tilburg02.pop.tip.nl Message-ID: Sender: news at tip.nl (The News User) Organization: The Internet Plaza X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:31:05 GMT Lines: 21 Hi there, Anyone interested in trading Porcupine Tree tapes? I you do mail me at didier at tip.nl. This is my PT tape list.: BBC Session 08-12-1993 Upstairs At The Garage London 19-10-1994 BBC Session 30-01-1995 Brixton Academy London 21-10-1995 The Boat Race Cambridge 22-10-1995 The Forum London 01-12-1995 Best wishes, Didier From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jul 8 14:31:08 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:31:08 -0400 Subject: Hi - I'm back Message-ID: >So that's true? I always thought they (tBS) were just joking around when they mentioned that. :-) If it ain't true, then once again my gullibility has been exposed - wouldn't be the first time. But, I sure think it's true -- I even had a brief conversation with Billy about it back in December (askin' if he gets free clothing from his brother and all) - if he was pullin' my leg, he was doing it with a really straight face. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Jul 8 16:00:02 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 15:00:02 EST Subject: off: Tommy hilfiger Message-ID: I'm getting quite a charge out of all this speculation re. Tommy Hilfiger. I work at Syracuse University, and he's an alumnus. About every other campus publication has mention of him. I guess the Univ. figures if they fellate him properly, he may kick back some of that t- shirt dough in form of an endowment. BTW, is he Billy's little brother or big brother, and how come he doesn't front tBS some bread for their recording projects. The band's good for it. Hell, with his money, he could buy them their own record label... From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jul 8 16:19:12 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:19:12 -0400 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! In-Reply-To: <199607060122.VAA10302@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Doug wrote: > Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques will be released on CD in about > a month or so on Griffin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Apparently this has been a covert operation to > prevent any attempts at sabotage by DS. At any rate the CDs have been > pressed and all systems are go... A month is time aplenty for Doug Smith to unleash a squad of his elite Disruption Kommandoes to fly across the Atlantic, surround and seize the Griffin warehouse, and smash all the copies of the CDs with large, shiny sledgehammers lest they fall into the hands of salivating Hawkfans... :-) Anyway, it's lucky that there's no palindromically-titled individuals subscribed to this list affiliated with DS who could apprise him of this "covert operation," isn't it? ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Skip James, _Today!_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jul 8 17:13:15 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:13:15 +0200 Subject: OFF: Fu Manchu, London, 9 July (Tuesday) Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > ...ehrm I'm not going... but I just wonder if you have heard their new CD? > > I think there is a new one out now, but I'm not sure -Fu Manchu aren't THAT= > > =20 > > big in Sweden, so nobody has never heard of them... (but I have got=20 > > _Daredevil_ :-) ) > > Haven't heard the new one, though Scott tells me its really good. > I do have Daredevil and it's pretty enjoyable. Very heavy power-fuzz :) I have Fu Manchu's "In Search of...", pretty good stuff, alot of it is pretty samey though. Not as spacey as Monster Magnet or Kyuss, a little more lo-fi grunge, but pretty decent anyway. Out of 10, I'd give it a 7.... Christian From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Mon Jul 8 17:14:13 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:14:13 -0400 Subject: BOC: ID4 Message-ID: Anyone besides me notice in ID4 the woman waving a sign at one of the alien ships that read 'Take Me Away' --- needless to say it would have been a great place to the play the tune... Shawn From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jul 8 19:34:56 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:34:56 -0600 Subject: BOC: List Of Shows In-Reply-To: <960708103725_352109063@emout13.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jul 1996 Rocker22 at AOL.COM wrote: > Would whoever is doing the MASSIVE inception to date BOC list of shows please > get ahold of ME262 at aol.com. He wanted to help with some ot the Illinois > dates over the years. > > R. > That's Jerry & I. I just e-mailed him. Thanks again!!! God bless... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jul 8 19:37:36 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:37:36 -0600 Subject: BOC: ID4 In-Reply-To: <199607082114.RAA01121@digital.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, Shawn Quinn wrote: > Anyone besides me notice in ID4 the woman waving a sign at one of the alien > ships that read 'Take Me Away' --- needless to say it would have been a > great place to the play the tune... > > Shawn > Yes! I turned around and said the exact same thing to Jean!!! The movie rocks!! Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Mon Jul 8 19:41:18 1996 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Karl Hiller) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 18:41:18 -0500 Subject: HW: San Jose Music Stores In-Reply-To: <9607051540.AA22700@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Craig Shipley wrote: > There are numerous other stores in the area that have good selections, but I > haven't frequented them. Ameoba and Rasputins (I think Rasputins' is still > around) are supposed to have good Prog selections, but this is just what I > have heard...oh yeah, these are in Berkeley. When I was in SF a few months ago, Rasputin actually had the new HW remasters (for $25). I hadn't seen them for sale in any record store before or since, although I haven't looked terrifically hard. I have no idea if they've been able to replace the HotMG remaster that I bought... :) Karl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jul 8 19:59:28 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 00:59:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Fu Manchu, London, 9 July (Tuesday) In-Reply-To: <31E179EB.2FF1@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jul 8, 96 11:13:15 pm Message-ID: > I have Fu Manchu's "In Search of...", pretty good stuff, alot of it is > pretty samey though. Not as spacey as Monster Magnet or Kyuss, a little > more lo-fi grunge, but pretty decent anyway. Out of 10, I'd give it a > 7.... Yeah, not as spacey as Monster Magnet but fairly satisfying in that lo-fi thunder-fuzz vein. There's more of a blast from them live, I think, where you can really *feel* the shockwaves off the speaker cones .... :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jul 8 20:00:59 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 01:00:59 +0100 Subject: Hi - I'm back In-Reply-To: <199607081831.OAA19452@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Jul 8, 96 02:31:08 pm Message-ID: > >So that's true? I always thought they (tBS) were just joking around > when they mentioned that. :-) > > If it ain't true, then once again my gullibility has been exposed - wouldn't > be the first time. But, I sure think it's true -- I even had a brief conversation > with Billy about it back in December (askin' if he gets free clothing from his > brother and all) - if he was pullin' my leg, he was doing it with a really > straight face. If it's not true, than Billy has suckered us all-- ie. I firmly believe its true. No doubt Deb will chime in with ultimate confirmation before long ... :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Jul 9 00:24:28 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:24:28 -0500 Subject: BOC: ID4 Message-ID: On 8-JUL-1996 17:24:29.2 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Anyone besides me notice in ID4 the woman waving a sign at one of the >alien ships that read 'Take Me Away' --- needless to say it would have >been a great place to the play the tune... >Shawn This reminds me of something I forgot to mention to the list. Between baseball innings, I was flipping through the channels and came across the Christian channel, and there's Bob Larson (a crusader who is always warning people about the many various disguises of the devil, in music and wiccanism, just to name a few). He's standing in this room which actually looks like a rigged set, but he claims it's a place where satanic rituals take place. In the backround, painted on the wall (along w/pentagrams and a few other deals) is the hooked cross/Kronos/whatever symbol. I'm sure some BOC fans had been there to do off a few of the neighborhood pets, as we're often prone to doing... Chuck `[1;36;46mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Jul 9 00:34:53 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 00:34:53 -0400 Subject: Hi - I'm back Message-ID: Yes, Carl, you are firm and it's true. :-) DF From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Jul 9 01:24:52 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 00:24:52 -0500 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, Paul Mather wrote: > obCD: Skip James, _Today!_ Well, if you insist... [ runs, jumps... "Yipes!" *CrAsH!* ] Dang, tripped over Jim again. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jul 9 04:28:21 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:28:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Love On 2 CDs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Damon C Capehart writes > >CD-1 clocks in at approx. 48:18, >CD 2 clocks in at approx. 41:11. > >Now, that means that each disk of Love In Space in only slightly more >than half-filled with hawkmusic. > > >What do you think? I would follow your logic in the other direction and suggest there was room for _*lots more Hawkwind*_! rather than cutting it down to one CD. 41 mins esp. does seem to be a bit of a waste, room for at least _Ejection_ or something :) -- Jon Browne From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Jul 9 06:47:07 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:47:07 +0100 Subject: BOC In-Reply-To: <01I6UJ8V91EQ90WBL9@delphi.com> Message-ID: Did you hear about the dyslexic devil-worshipper who sold his soul to Santa? - Mike Godwin From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Jul 9 06:56:47 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:56:47 +0200 Subject: OFF: Fu Manchu, London, 9 July (Tuesday) Message-ID: THIS IS A PERSONAL MAIL, NOT BOC-L MAIL!!!!!!!!!! >> ...ehrm I'm not going... but I just wonder if you have heard their new CD? >> I think there is a new one out now, but I'm not sure -Fu Manchu aren't THAT= >> =20 >> big in Sweden, so nobody has never heard of them... (but I have got=20 >> _Daredevil_ :-) ) > > Haven't heard the new one, though Scott tells me its really good. >I do have Daredevil and it's pretty enjoyable. Very heavy power-fuzz :) > >Cheers, >Carl > >************************************************************************* >Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett >cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" >http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * >Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump >************************************************************************* > SPRA^KO:VNING ...IGEN (STACKARS DIG :-) ) Tjena! Lite skitsnack bara... Jag bara ta:nkte pa^ din devis i signaturen, "Ar det inte ett fritt land?", -iga^rkva:ll var jag och drack o:l hemma hos en tjejkompis och en av de andra ga:sterna halade fram en gitarr och spelade en la^t da:r texten handlade om lite olika Astrid Lindgren figurer (Pippi, Ronja Ro:vardotter, Rasmus) och var de tagit va:gen som vuxna... Pippi som alltid revolterat mot de givna normerna i samh?llet satt pa^ kvinnofa:ngelse, Ronja satt pa^ mentalsjukhus eftersom hon levde i en sagova:rld och Rasmus var alkoholiserad. Det la^ter kanske inte sa:rskilt roligt men texten var enormt va:lskriven och ta:nkva:rd. Ba^de rolig (da^ den var sa^ absurd) och samtidigt hemsk ( da^ -om de ha:r personerna hade existerat, detta hade varit det troliga slutet fo:r dem i Sverige av idag, antagligen g?ller detsamma fo:r ba^de UK och USA, HERREGUD PIPPI A:R JU KOMMUNIST :-)...... faan det a:r ju jag ocksa^...... o:dmjukast -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Jul 9 07:00:06 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:00:06 +0200 Subject: OFF: SORRY SORRY:Fu Manchu, London, 9 July (Tuesday) Message-ID: oops! Sorry, my last posting was not for the list, I forgot to change the address. No hard feelings...? :-) . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Jul 9 07:04:48 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:04:48 +0200 Subject: BOC Message-ID: >Did you hear about the dyslexic devil-worshipper who sold his soul to >Santa? > >- Mike Godwin > > ...here we go again, Christian tell us about the whales and seals in Norway... and maybe somebody can tell us an OJ joke too... ;-) (I'm sorry but I really enjoy when the mailing flip out totally...) -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 9 07:29:10 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:29:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Love On 2 CDs In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Jul 9, 96 09:28:21 am Message-ID: > I would follow your logic in the other direction and suggest there was > room for _*lots more Hawkwind*_! rather than cutting it down to one CD. > > 41 mins esp. does seem to be a bit of a waste, room for at least > _Ejection_ or something :) Or "Lord of Light" _regardless_ of what the band thinks :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Jul 9 12:50:54 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:50:54 BST Subject: HW: Love On 2 CDs In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:29:10 +0100 Message-ID: > Or "Lord of Light" _regardless_ of what the band thinks :) BTW, I can't remember if anyone has mentioned this here: the Love In Space single will include Lord Of Light and The Golden Void from the Alien tour. Also the original version of Silver Machine. Dave. From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 9 08:28:12 1996 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:28:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Love On 2 CDs Message-ID: >BTW, I can't remember if anyone has mentioned this here: the Love In >Space single will include Lord Of Light and The Golden Void from the >Alien tour. Also the original version of Silver Machine. Any word as yet when/If this will be released. Derrick --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk 'Sunrise Wrongside of Another Day' "Kilminster" --------------------------------------------- From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Tue Jul 9 08:35:18 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 08:35:18 EDT Subject: HW: Tour Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 09/07/96 13.34 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Hi All, I've been away for 2 weeks so switched off my mail & consequently have missed all comments regarding the mini-tour at the end of June. Can anyone please summarise the important points such as:- Special guests? Different songs played from Alien tour? ETC .. ETC Thanx in advance, Jez From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Tue Jul 9 09:16:01 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (Ross P. Reyes) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:16:01 EDT Subject: BRAIN: tBS Billy Hilfiger Message-ID: How does one pronounce his name? From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Jul 9 09:24:11 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:24:11 -0400 Subject: HW: Love On 2 CDs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > I would follow your logic in the other direction and suggest there was > > room for _*lots more Hawkwind*_! rather than cutting it down to one CD. > > > > 41 mins esp. does seem to be a bit of a waste, room for at least > > _Ejection_ or something :) > > Or "Lord of Light" _regardless_ of what the band thinks :) Actually, since the average Hawkwind gig appears to be just over two hours, my question is this: how would they fill up the extra 30--40 minutes a 2CD set affords? Did they vary their setlist enough to have 160 minutes of music from that tour, without repeating themselves? (I guess they could take the longest version of each song for use, but that wouldn't necessarily employ the best versions.) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Laibach, _Let It Be_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 9 11:08:17 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:08:17 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: tBS Billy Hilfiger Message-ID: Hilfiger is pronounced "Hill - Fig - Er", with the emphasis on the first syllable. At least that's the way I've always heard Deb pronounce it at tBS gigs. John From skarsol at INET.NET Tue Jul 9 07:18:09 1996 From: skarsol at INET.NET (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:18:09 +0000 Subject: HW: Tour Message-ID: Jeremy Dacombe wrote: > > --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 09/07/96 13.34 > -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET > > Hi All, > I've been away for 2 weeks so switched off my mail & > consequently have missed all comments regarding the mini-tour > at the end of June. > Can anyone please summarise the important points such as:- > Special guests? > Different songs played from Alien tour? > ETC .. ETC > Thanx in advance, Jezspecial guests-kris tait,skouse{(scouse?)the fire eater from live legends},three lady dancers. psipower,xenomorph,aerospaceage inferno,steppenwolf,can't remember what else. From skarsol at INET.NET Tue Jul 9 07:22:32 1996 From: skarsol at INET.NET (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:22:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Love On 2 CDs Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > Actually, since the average Hawkwind gig appears to be just over two > hours, my question is this: how would they fill up the extra 30--40 > minutes a 2CD set affords? Did they vary their setlist enough to have 160 > minutes of music from that tour, without repeating themselves? (I guess > they could take the longest version of each song for use, but that wouldn't > necessarily employ the best versions.)not trying to be contrary paul,but i personally have never seen them play for two hours.out of the fifteen or so shows i've attended,they all seem to be tailored to fill 90 minutes exactly,or close enough that it doesn't matter.and that really bites,since at least two out of four band-members are still ready to go at the end of that interval. rj From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Jul 9 11:58:30 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:58:30 -0400 Subject: HW: Love On 2 CDs In-Reply-To: <31E240F8.4C74@inet.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, SKARSOL wrote: > Paul Mather wrote: > > > Actually, since the average Hawkwind gig appears to be just over two > > hours, my question is this: how would they fill up the extra 30--40 > > minutes a 2CD set affords? Did they vary their setlist enough to have 160 > > minutes of music from that tour, without repeating themselves? (I guess > > they could take the longest version of each song for use, but that wouldn't > > necessarily employ the best versions.)not trying to be contrary paul,but i personally have never seen them > play for two hours.out of the fifteen or so shows i've attended,they all > seem to be tailored to fill 90 minutes exactly,or close enough that it > doesn't matter.and that really bites,since at least two out of four > band-members are still ready to go at the end of that interval. rj It was incorrect of me to say "the average Hawkwind gig," as that can encompass a large sample size (and one going back many years). :-) I had a recollection that many of the recent reviews of the UK and Europe gigs put them at around 2 hours, and that is what I meant. But my memory could easily be playing tricks with me (especially as it is trying to jostle with concepts and proofs from NP-completeness right now:). But what you say only exacerbates the problem I mentioned; there is even more "space" to fill in order to *fill* a 2CD live set. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Monster Magnet, _Spine of God_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. Homework problem: Let X(D) be a random variable denoting the length of a Hawkwind gig on date D. Calculate E[X(D)] and Var[X(D)], stating any assumptions you make (such as underlying distribution, etc.)... ;-) From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Jul 9 14:59:21 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:59:21 EST Subject: OFF: Looking for Sundial CD EP Message-ID: Whoops! I posted last week about where I had picked up my own copy of several Sundial CD EPs, but I posted the wrong company! (too many late nights listening to HW, I guess...) The company where I purchased my CDs is actually called "Netalog". Take a look at http://vinyl.ari.net/s3.html, which will drop you right into the middle of the "S" category of their online catalog. They currently list "Overspill" $8, "Bad Drug/Fairground" $9.50, and "Reflector" $18 CDs, as well as a couple of 7" records. In the past I have purchased two other Sundial CD-EPs here also. Sorry about the mix-up! No wonder Carl didn't find it listed at Metro Music.... :-( Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObPurchase: "Planet Dub" 2CD comp at Best Buy $12.99! From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Jul 9 14:18:03 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:18:03 -0400 Subject: OFF: Sundial CDs In-Reply-To: <9607091359.A18553@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: All this mention of Sundial CD EPs prompts me to ask a question: I have Sundial's _Acid Yantra_ album on CD and like what I hear. I'd like to acquire more of their albums. I recall this topic coming up in the past and have a recollection that there are some "must-have" and some "must-avoid" albums in their output so far. Problem is, I can't remember which are which. (I do recall one of the "must-haves" is now out of print on CD.) Can anyone briefly list the "must-haves" (or anything in similar vein to _Acid Yantra_)? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. 2: The Helsinki Concerts_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Jul 9 14:19:48 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:19:48 -0600 Subject: Off; Roswell Fest 96 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is perhaps just a little off topic, but Jean & I drove down to Roswell this weekend to attend the UFO Encounter Fest '96. There was much to see and do. First of all, there were numerous lectures by such UFO experts as Micheal Lindemann & Bud Hopkins. They were very convincing and insightful. They pointed out that it is COMMON KNOWLEDGE within the scientific community now that ETI's are infact out there. Furthermore, the ufologists stated that it has been proven recently that we can infact travel at a warp speed and within this warp one can slow or speed up time factors. This has always been a point of contention from dubunkers of the ufo phenomemon. I don't recall the name of the person who has come up with the formula to travel at warp speeds. There were also alot of people who claim to have been abducted by aliens. This seems to be the most discussed topic within the ufo community as of late. However, I find it difficult to believe some of these abduction stories. I need to see hard facts and findings recarding abductions. In addition, Lindemann stated that, as we speak, there is a very big ufo story happening in Brazil. It is as big as the Roswell incident of 1947, and the US is attempting to censor all reports regarding the capture of two injured ET's in a small village outside of Sao Paulo, Brazil. American ufo experts are down there right now, and they have all reported that this is MAJOR evidence of aliens visiting our planet. In closing, there was a concert on the last night of the festival, some guy named Emilio (never heard of him). Anyways, next year will be the 50th Ann- iversary of the Roswell incident, and the 25th Anniversary of BOC. Wouldn't it be coooool to have BOC playing such songs as Astronomy, ETI, and Take Me Away under a warm New Mexico night. Suddenly, we see a star. And the star is getting bigger and bigger, and it now turns into a big pulsating disk over your heads. And a voice says; " Earth People, how would you like to come with us right now ....." Take me away intro, BOC God bless.... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jul 9 20:49:26 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:49:26 PDT Subject: The Perfect Day... Message-ID: >The Perfect Day > >According to..... > >HER > >08.45 Wake up to hugs & kisses >09.00 5 pounds lighter on the scales >09.30 Light breakfast >11.00 Sunbathe >12.00 Lunch with best friend at outdoor cafe >01.30 Shopping >02.30 Run into boyfriend's ex, notice she's gained thirty pounds >03.00 Facial, massage and nap >07.30 Candlelit dinner for two and dancing >10.00 Make love >11.00 Pillow talk in his big strong arms > >HIM > >10.00 Wake up >10.02 Oral Sex >10.45 Big breakfast >11.30 Drive up coast in Ferrari with gorgeous blonde >02.15 Enormous lunch >03.00 Oral Sex >03.30 Play sport with the guys >04.00 Drink beer with the guys >06.00 Meet Claudia Schiffer >06.10 Oral Sex >08.00 Huge dinner, more beer >11.00 Full on, get down, gorilla sex Jerry From skarsol at INET.NET Tue Jul 9 13:55:12 1996 From: skarsol at INET.NET (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:55:12 +0000 Subject: OFF: Sundial CDs Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > > All this mention of Sundial CD EPs prompts me to ask a question: I have > Sundial's _Acid Yantra_ album on CD and like what I hear. I'd like to > acquire more of their albums. I recall this topic coming up in the past > and have a recollection that there are some "must-have" and some > "must-avoid" albums in their output so far. Problem is, I can't remember > which are which. (I do recall one of the "must-haves" is now out of print > on CD.)THAT would be return journey,and if you ever encounter it,grab hold w/ both hands! > Can anyone briefly list the "must-haves" (or anything in similar vein to > _Acid Yantra_)?there are no must avoids in their catalog.liberinte is alittle r&r oriented,but still cool.the first album is my favorite next acid Y,next return. rj From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Jul 9 18:56:52 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:56:52 EST Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? Message-ID: I've been trying for a couple of weeks, but I am unable to access the Robert Calvert page. I've also tried the link from Sonique's web site, no good. Does this web page really exist? If yes, is it offline most of the time? If no, do I need a special browser just to get to it? (I am currently using Netscape 1.1N on a UNIX machine.) Help! Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObSmile: Just set up a trade for several more Porcupine Tree tapes! From skarsol at INET.NET Tue Jul 9 14:20:58 1996 From: skarsol at INET.NET (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:20:58 +0000 Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? Message-ID: cjohnson wrote: > > I've been trying for a couple of weeks, but I am unable to access > the Robert Calvert page. I've also tried the link from Sonique's > web site, no good.i don't know why you can't get there,i just checked and fine. in case you have a wrong url, here it is. http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/welcome.htm are you adding an l after htm? rj From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Jul 9 18:30:34 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:30:34 -0400 Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? Message-ID: Captain: > I've been trying for a couple of weeks, but I am unable to access > the Robert Calvert page. I've also tried the link from Sonique's > web site, no good. Well, I last took a look at it at the weekend. Probably using Explorer 3.0, fwiw, but I don't think that makes a difference. It's there, and it's cool. (Lots of graphics, though, which although cool in their own right could be a pain if you've got a slow connection.) - Andy From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Jul 9 18:36:18 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:36:18 -0600 Subject: Bored... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Pretty quiet on the list this afternoon, except for Jerry's HIS/HERS perfect day, which was pretty cool. But I would have added more actual physical sex in addition to oral. How's the BOCBase list coming, Jerry? Has anyone gone to any of the KISS reunion shows?? Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 10 02:16:02 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 02:16:02 BST Subject: OFF: Re: The Perfect Day... NOT In-Reply-To: Jerry's message of Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:49:26 PDT Message-ID: Jerry writes: > >The Perfect Day > > > >According to..... > > > >HER :THE REAL WORLD (tm) :ME > >08.45 Wake up to hugs & kisses : Struggle to reach alarm before it disturbs anyone else > >09.00 5 pounds lighter on the scales :trip over scales on way to bathroom - why in heck did I leave them there last night? Faint memory of not being able to see the numbers clearly after large quantities of alcohol > >09.30 Light breakfast :Mashed teabag with boiling water cooled by cold tap water and a couple of whittybix before rushing off to work > >11.00 Sunbathe :Frantic bicycle through the rush-hour traffic mostly uphill in the morning sun working up a fine sweat (sorry - perspiration) on the way. > >12.00 Lunch with best friend at outdoor cafe :carry-out chicken tikka sandwich eaten on the way back to work > >01.30 Shopping :rush into the supermarket to buy tomorrow's breakfast and tonight's TV dinner. Stand in a queue behind 15 space aliens who have no concept of either English language or money. > >02.30 Run into boyfriend's ex, notice she's gained thirty pounds :and by hell does she look happy and relaxed. Wonder why. > >03.00 Facial, massage and nap :Try to stay awake while checking endless data lists for errors - wish I hadn't stayed so late in the pub last night - try splashing cold water on face in the washhand basins in the ladies toilets. > >07.30 Candlelit dinner for two and dancing :Microwave dinner. Watch the News and Panorama > >10.00 Make love :Put a video on. > >11.00 Pillow talk in his big strong arms :Fall asleep in front of the fire. Dream on......... :jill ObApology> sorry - couldn't resist! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Jul 9 22:35:41 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 22:35:41 -0400 Subject: OFF: Sundial CDs (fwd) Message-ID: Alas, Chuck momentarily fell victim to the BOC-L reply monster. I'm forwarding on his message to the list, with his permission. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _New River Head_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 09 Jul 96 14:35:23 EST From: cjohnson To: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: Sundial CDs *My* take on Sundial's recorded output: -->Must Haves: "Other Way Out" - first and still best (IMHO); out of print "Return Journey" - very fuzzy guitar outtakes from OWO "Acid Yantra" - good, but still outclassed by first two "Live Drug" - almost same tracklist as AY, but all live; very nice quality live recording, almost quiet in between jams -->Not Necessarys: "Libertine" - some good moments, overall only average "Reflector" - ditto There are also several EPs, a better one being "Overspill" (the hunted EP of late), and also "Fazer" (not as good). The other two I am aware of are "Exploding in Your Mind" (2 songs from OWO) and "Bad Drug/Fairground" (pretty avoidable if you get AY). Both "Overspill" and "Fazer" contain several new songs. I think there are also several odds-and-ends that have shown up on compilations. For example, I think that "Succour" -- the Ptolemaic Terrascope fanzine 2CD -- contains a new Sundial song... Hope this helps... :-) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Tue Jul 9 23:03:40 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:03:40 +1000 Subject: BOC: ID4 In-Reply-To: <01I6UJ8V91EQ90WBL9@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jul 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > On 8-JUL-1996 17:24:29.2 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > >Anyone besides me notice in ID4 the woman waving a sign at one of the > >alien ships that read 'Take Me Away' --- needless to say it would have > >been a great place to the play the tune... > >Shawn > > This reminds me of something I forgot to mention to the list. > Between baseball innings, I was flipping through the channels and came > across the Christian channel, and there's > Bob Larson (a crusader who is always > warning people about the many various disguises of the devil, in music and > wiccanism, just to name a few). He's standing in this room which > actually looks like a rigged set, but he claims it's a place where satanic > rituals take place. In the backround, painted on the wall (along > w/pentagrams and a few other deals) is the hooked cross/Kronos/whatever > symbol. I'm sure some BOC fans had been there to do off a few of the > neighborhood pets, as we're often prone to doing... > > Chuck > `[1;36;46mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive > Actually, Bob Larson has also recently come out and said that he was wrong regarding several rock groups, and could no longer paint the "demonic" picture on some of them. Softening the blows? It is a pity that some misguided kids/people have believed the satanic baloney about the BOC moniker, I have also seen it on the cover a an occcult book recently (a slightly different one-no dot), and I am wondering if the author got it from the band, or some occult source, or whatever. (early Japanese?). L8r, Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Tue Jul 9 23:16:37 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:16:37 +1000 Subject: BOC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, M R Godwin wrote: > Did you hear about the dyslexic devil-worshipper who sold his soul to > Santa? > > - Mike Godwin > Or the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac, who stayed awake all night wondering if there really was a Dog? Troy From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jul 9 23:19:19 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:19:19 -0400 Subject: covers... Message-ID: So! who wants to take a stab at a BOC covers project? I don't know of that many, but we could sure put the Brain Surgeons on there... Smashing Pumpkins did a take on Godzilla, didn't they? Theo, got any tapes of your band? Is this practical? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From hdboc at TELEVAR.COM Wed Jul 10 00:23:42 1996 From: hdboc at TELEVAR.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 21:23:42 -0700 Subject: covers... Message-ID: Bonnie Tyler did Going Through the Motions Jack http://j-and-a.com/boc.html Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > So! who wants to take a stab at a BOC covers project? > > I don't know of that many, but we could sure put the > Brain Surgeons on there... > > Smashing Pumpkins did a take on Godzilla, didn't they? > Theo, got any tapes of your band? > > Is this practical? > =================================== > Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random > > Guildmaster of Reeves > Barony of Silverwater > Kingdom of the Burning Lands > http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm > (Andrew A. Apold) From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jul 10 02:01:13 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:01:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Re: Love On 2 CDs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > >CD-1 clocks in at approx. 48:18, > >CD 2 clocks in at approx. 41:11. > > > >Now, that means that each disk of Love In Space is only slightly more > >than half-filled with hawkmusic. > > [stuff about removing a few songs...] > I would follow your logic in the other direction and suggest there was > room for _*lots more Hawkwind*_! rather than cutting it down to one CD. Well, as the other replies stated, Hawkgigs just aren't long enough to really fill 2 CDs... at least, not unless they include full interludes between songs (a.k.a. "dead air"). Anyway, that's why I thought reducing to 1 CD would have been more possible. > 41 mins esp. does seem to be a bit of a waste, room for at least > _Ejection_ or something :) Augh! If I hear one more version of Ejection, I think I'll puke! I already own 4, and I know there're more. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From sandro at AMB3054.CASACCIA.ENEA.IT Wed Jul 10 04:37:50 1996 From: sandro at AMB3054.CASACCIA.ENEA.IT (Alessandro Piscini) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:37:50 +0200 Subject: new hawk fan Message-ID: hello I'm alessandro from italy i'm so glad to know you and i hope to talk with you about my favourite bands with kindest regards alex sorry for may bad english From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Jul 10 05:31:37 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:31:37 +0100 Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? In-Reply-To: <9607091756.A18576@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: Reply to cjohnson about HW: can anyone access Calvert page? > I've been trying for a couple of weeks, but I am unable to access > the Robert Calvert page. I've also tried the link from Sonique's > web site, no good. > Does this web page really exist? If yes, is it offline most of the > time? If no, do I need a special browser just to get to it? (I am > currently using Netscape 1.1N on a UNIX machine.) > Help! I've had the same problem. I keep being told the site doesn't exist. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Jul 10 06:15:37 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 06:15:37 -0400 Subject: new hawk fan Message-ID: > >hello >I'm alessandro from italy >i'm so glad to know you and i hope to talk with you about my favourite bands >with kindest regards alex >sorry for may bad english > > Hello Alessandro, Welcome to the future, you are welcome, welcome... Glad to have you aboard. Are you a new Hawkfan, or a Hawkfan that is new to the discussion group? Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 10 11:07:01 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:07:01 BST Subject: Off; Roswell Fest 96 In-Reply-To: jean l delacour's message of Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:19:48 -0600 Message-ID: jean l delacour writes: > First of all, there were numerous lectures by such UFO experts as Micheal > Lindemann & Bud Hopkins. They were very convincing and insightful. They > pointed out that it is COMMON KNOWLEDGE within the scientific community now > that ETI's are infact out there. Who's this "scientific community"? It's commonly believed that it is *probable* that there are other intelligences but not a lot of people suppose that they visit little old us. > Furthermore, the ufologists stated that > it has been proven recently that we can infact travel at a warp speed and > within this warp one can slow or speed up time factors. There's some math that suggest this isn't impossible. The sorts of technologies you;d need to do it are pretty mind boggling though. We definitely don't have the capacity to mess with black holes in the way you'd need to to do this. Nor do we have any kind of means of creating artificial gravity fields. > This has always > been a point of contention from dubunkers of the ufo phenomemon. I don't > recall the name of the person who has come up with the formula to travel at > warp speeds. I know a formula that'd get us to Sirius: Distance = speed x time. All we need now is a spacecraft.... > There were also alot of people who claim to have been abducted by aliens. There are a lot of people who claim to have been visited by Jesus/fairies/Men in Black and Noggin The Nog. Then again. A gazillion flies eat shit. Would you? > This seems to be the most discussed topic within the ufo community as of > late. However, I find it difficult to believe some of these abduction > stories. They're kinda fun when they involve kinky sex with aliens though.. > I need to see hard facts and findings recarding abductions. Don't wait up. > In addition, Lindemann stated that, as we speak, there is a very big ufo > story happening in Brazil. It is as big as the Roswell incident of 1947, > and the US is attempting to censor all reports regarding the capture of two > injured ET's in a small village outside of Sao Paulo, Brazil. American ufo > experts are down there right now, and they have all reported that this is > MAJOR evidence of aliens visiting our planet. Alternatively it's major evidence that Sao Paulo needs some tourist cash. Mike "Man In Black" Holmes From makila at CSC.FI Wed Jul 10 06:38:54 1996 From: makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:38:54 +0300 Subject: Off; Roswell Fest 96 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:07:01 -0000." <9607101107.aa26039@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Your message dated: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:07:01 -0000 > > Who's this "scientific community"? It's commonly believed that it is > *probable* that there are other intelligences but not a lot of people > suppose that they visit little old us. Yeah, well, the UFO experts seem to have quite a different definition for phrases like "scientific community" from what people usually have. In general it looks like they are differently clued in several ways. But they are sometimes Good Fun and that's what counts, isn't it. //niko From skarsol at INET.NET Wed Jul 10 02:53:23 1996 From: skarsol at INET.NET (SKARSOL) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 06:53:23 +0000 Subject: new hawk fan Message-ID: Alessandro Piscini wrote: > > hello > I'm alessandro from italy > i'm so glad to know you and i hope to talk with you about my favourite bands > with kindest regards alex > sorry for may bad englishwelcome aboard alex.and don't worry,my english is not so hot,and it's my first language! rj From skarsol at INET.NET Wed Jul 10 02:58:34 1996 From: skarsol at INET.NET (SKARSOL) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 06:58:34 +0000 Subject: Off; Roswell Fest 96 Message-ID: > jean l delacour writes: > > In addition, Lindemann stated that, as we speak, there is a very big ufo > > story happening in Brazil. It is as big as the Roswell incident of 1947, > > and the US is attempting to censor all reports regarding the capture of two > > injured ET's in a small village outside of Sao Paulo, Brazil. American ufo > > experts are down there right now, and they have all reported that this is > > MAJOR evidence of aliens visiting our planet.who makes their ships,ford?you'd think advanced intelligence of this scale would put in airbags or something.rj From skarsol at INET.NET Wed Jul 10 03:05:52 1996 From: skarsol at INET.NET (SKARSOL) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 07:05:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Pictures Message-ID: paul, my e-mail has changed to skarsol at inet.net. also, my wife karyn actually took most of the pics i sent,not i. rj From skarsol at INET.NET Wed Jul 10 03:07:56 1996 From: skarsol at INET.NET (SKARSOL) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 07:07:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Pictures Message-ID: sorry, everyone! that was meant to be private email.i noticed the address too late to cancel.doh! rj From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Jul 10 07:22:38 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 04:22:38 PDT Subject: covers... In-Reply-To: <31E3304E.1ADB@televar.com>; from "Jack W. Heffling" at Jul 9, 96 9:23 pm Message-ID: Lydia Lunch (and some dude) did a cover of DFtR. Don't know which album, but saw it on a CD-S about a year ago. I passed... > > Bonnie Tyler did Going Through the Motions > > Jack > http://j-and-a.com/boc.html > > > Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > > > So! who wants to take a stab at a BOC covers project? > > > > I don't know of that many, but we could sure put the > > Brain Surgeons on there... > > > > Smashing Pumpkins did a take on Godzilla, didn't they? > > Theo, got any tapes of your band? > > > > Is this practical? > > =================================== > > Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random > > > > Guildmaster of Reeves > > Barony of Silverwater > > Kingdom of the Burning Lands > > http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm > > (Andrew A. Apold) > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From chriss at MDC.NET Wed Jul 10 02:45:05 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 07:45:05 +0100 Subject: covers... Message-ID: Check with Bolle, he sent mw a tapw years ago with quite a few. I'll see if I can dig it up! ****************--------------*******************-------------------************ A lone Starship hurtles across a trackless void A single human spark bulleting beyond the barriers of space and time....... ------------***************----------------****************----------------***** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 10 08:01:13 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:01:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: Sundial CDs (fwd) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jul 9, 96 10:35:41 pm Message-ID: > -->Must Haves: > "Other Way Out" - first and still best (IMHO); out of print > "Return Journey" - very fuzzy guitar outtakes from OWO I actually prefer _RJ_ to _OWO_, but both are very good. > "Acid Yantra" - good, but still outclassed by first two I like _Acid Yantra_ very well, it's rather more stripped down sounding than _OWO_ and not quite as crazed as _RJ_. Not as good as _RJ_ though--grab _RJ_ with multiple appendages when you see it. :) > "Live Drug" - almost same tracklist as AY, but all live; very nice > quality live recording, almost quiet in between jams Also stripped down--Sundial as just the three piece. They play some of the good stuff off _AY_, but there are appearance from most of the albums (not _Libertine_, I think though ...) > -->Not Necessarys: > "Libertine" - some good moments, overall only average > "Reflector" - ditto Both have a somewhat "pop" sound, but certainly have their moments. Actually, most of _Libertine_ is pretty good, you just have to get around the slicker production--it opens with some fairly strong tracks. _Reflector has its moments but isn't as inspired. > There are also several EPs, a better one being "Overspill" (the > hunted EP of late), and also "Fazer" (not as good). Fazer has the best song from _Reflector_ and then some pretty heinous kack, if I recall :) The gods *will* be with me and I *will* acquire Overspill ... %) > The other two > I am aware of are "Exploding in Your Mind" (2 songs from OWO) and > "Bad Drug/Fairground" (pretty avoidable if you get AY). Do not kill yourself in a quest to pick these up--only if you feel very cool and can get them cheap :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 10 08:54:51 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:54:51 -0400 Subject: Bored... Message-ID: >Has anyone gone to any of the KISS reunion shows?? Not yet, but I've got my tix (way up in the rafters) for when they come to Boston -- it's gonna be like the circus coming back to town. >From what I've heard, the shows are being pretty well received -- 2 hour (20-25 song) sets, all the old tricks, plus some enhanced pyrotechnics and effects here and there. Also, I hear that the stage set is pretty barren by the old standards -- no lighted stairs, no dragon by Gene - they still have the risers and the levitating drum kit though. John From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Jul 10 09:47:38 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:47:38 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: <9607101107.aa26039@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > jean l delacour writes: > > > First of all, there were numerous lectures by such UFO experts as Micheal > > Lindemann & Bud Hopkins. They were very convincing and insightful. They > > pointed out that it is COMMON KNOWLEDGE within the scientific community now > > that ETI's are infact out there. > > Who's this "scientific community"? It's commonly believed that it is > *probable* that there are other intelligences but not a lot of people > suppose that they visit little old us. I take it you mean "probable", in the sense of non-zero probability? I remember some really *really* heavily rounded off numbers being thrown into a fairly off the cuff equation, which basically estimated how many planets out there might exist that could support anything remotely like earth-based life. That of course tells us nothing really important, because what is the "probability" that a planet which is "capable" of supporting life will spawn it? If you use Earth as your sample, then the probability is 1.0, and it's a crowded little universe out there. ;-) > > Furthermore, the ufologists stated that > > it has been proven recently that we can infact travel at a warp speed and > > within this warp one can slow or speed up time factors. > > There's some math that suggest this isn't impossible. The sorts of > technologies you;d need to do it are pretty mind boggling though. We > definitely don't have the capacity to mess with black holes in the way > you'd need to to do this. Nor do we have any kind of means of creating > artificial gravity fields. Well, this isn't exactly the same principle, but you can slow down subjective time just by accelerating for long enough. I forget the formula, but the letter tau is used as a measure of how fractionally removed from light speed you are. As T approaches 0, you get closer and closer to experiencing no progress of time - in other words, if you travel your whole journey at .9999999 of lightspeed, then you would subjectively appear to arrive instantaneously, even though though an outside observer would note that it took... well... however long light would take. :-) I highly recommend Paul Anderson's book Tau Zero for illustration of this principle in literary terms. It's about a "solar windjammer" that loses its ability to brake, and so keeps on accelerating, right into the heat death and collapse of the universe. Brilliant. ObBOC: when I saw Independence Day the other night, and they had that scene at the SETI radio telescope site, I turned to my g/f and said, "27 faces?". :-) obIndependenceDayReview: (courtesy of the teen sitting behind me, following the city-destruction scene): "What *absolute bullshit*! That was pretty great, though!" Steve swann at panix.com From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jul 10 09:58:15 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:58:15 -0400 Subject: Off; Roswell Fest 96 In-Reply-To: <9607101107.aa26039@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, M Holmes wrote: > > There were also alot of people who claim to have been abducted by aliens. > > There are a lot of people who claim to have been visited by > Jesus/fairies/Men in Black and Noggin The Nog. There was even a man who mistook his wife for a hat. :-) > > I need to see hard facts and findings recarding abductions. > > Don't wait up. There was a very interesting Nova (a.k.a. Horizon(?)) documentary about "UFO abductions." The main thesis they put forward was that the eyewitness testimony was likely the recounting of hypnogogic (sp?) dreams---basically, very lucid dreams. Couple with that the false memories (unwittingly) implanted by many all-too-eager "UFO abduction researchers" through leading questions when the subject is under hypnosis, and you have a phenomenon which is, literally, all in the mind, so it seems. Experiments conducted showed that the thematic content of hypnogogic dreaming could be affected by the subject's environment prior to the episode. In one experiment, they managed to get a subject to "see" various archetypal icons such as the Earth, a cross, etc. just by subtly altering the background music during the experiment. They noted that several prominent "UFO abductions" occurred in close proximity to, e.g. TV broadcasts featuring aliens. (One famous one took place around the screening of an episode of The Outer Limits; apparently there were points of similarity between the episode and the account.) The apparent "detail" of many "eyewitness testimonies" says more for the power of the human mind than anything else. In one experiment, they set out deliberately to implant a false memory in a woman under hypnosis. They chose to implant the memory that she had become lost in a shopping mall as a young child, and had been "rescued" by a kind old lady who took her to the information desk and eventually reunited her with her mother. None of this had actually happened to the woman, and it was amazing how easily the hypnotist planted the false memory through leading questions. What was more amazing was the rich detail which the woman created in her own mind once the seed of the memory was planted. (And that detail tended towards the archetypal in many cases.) The important point was that the memory was entirely "real" for the woman, even though it never actually happened; I'm sure she could have passed any number of lie detectors and such. The program also touched on the gullibility and willingness to believe of many of the "UFO researchers," including a part in which that guy from Harvard(?) (the one involved in the freedom of research flap) was duped by a psychologist posing as an abductee, and who was "encouraged" by the Harvard guy to ever more outlandish revelations under hypnosis, all of which he seemed to lap up. All in all, the documentary was very interesting; recommended viewing. Cheers, Paul. obSong, Frank Zappa, "Inca Roads" e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Jul 10 10:11:28 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:11:28 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs Message-ID: > artificial gravity fields. Steve writes >Well, this isn't exactly the same principle, but you can slow down >subjective time just by accelerating for long enough. I forget the >formula, but the letter tau is used as a measure of how fractionally >removed from light speed you are. As T approaches 0, you get closer >and closer to experiencing no progress of time - in other words, if >you travel your whole journey at .9999999 of lightspeed, then you >would subjectively appear to arrive instantaneously, even though >though an outside observer would note that it took... well... however >long light would take. :-) So long, in fact, that when you get back, you would have to replace your girlfriend with an android replica :-) Martyn From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 10 15:09:27 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 15:09:27 BST Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:47:38 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > M Holmes writes: > > > > jean l delacour writes: > > > > > First of all, there were numerous lectures by such UFO experts as Micheal > > > Lindemann & Bud Hopkins. They were very convincing and insightful. They > > > pointed out that it is COMMON KNOWLEDGE within the scientific community now > > > that ETI's are infact out there. > > > > Who's this "scientific community"? It's commonly believed that it is > > *probable* that there are other intelligences but not a lot of people > > suppose that they visit little old us. > > I take it you mean "probable", in the sense of non-zero probability? Yes. > I remember some really *really* heavily rounded off numbers being > thrown into a fairly off the cuff equation, which basically estimated > how many planets out there might exist that could support anything > remotely like earth-based life. Yes, that was quite a famous analysis for a while. > That of course tells us nothing really important, because what is the > "probability" that a planet which is "capable" of supporting life will > spawn it? If you use Earth as your sample, then the probability is > 1.0, and it's a crowded little universe out there. ;-) Things seem to be running more Fred Hoyle's way and the idea of pre-organic molecules being created in space is more fashionable. Then there's Prof Cairns idea that replicating slate/shale near tidal pools created organic molecules by accidentally creating conditions for chemical engineering. That would necessitate a planet with a relatively large moon. We don't know how probable that is either... For the other side, I was reading some Jared Diamond recently and he discussed the question. He notes that the ecological niche of the woodpecker wasn't filled in the ecology of Australia/New Zealand. The implication being that even in parallel evolution, all niches are not necessarily filled. It may be that sentience is some weird and rare evolutionary accident. > Steve FoFP From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Jul 10 10:41:26 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:41:26 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs Message-ID: Steve said >Well, this isn't exactly the same principle, but you can slow down >subjective time just by accelerating for long enough. I recall subjective time slowing down pretty badly during a Mike Oldfield concert - it seemed to go on *forever* :( But seriously, the time dilation effect is a well-established corollary of the Special Theory of Relativity, and there's any number of popular science books that'll give a clear explanation. ObHW: Time dilation (as well as suspended animation) explains the Starfarer's Despatch (Spirit of the Age), as well as Queen's "39". Steve Hawking did come up with something recently that suggested that backward time travel may be possible in certain limited circumstances, but I think it was of the order of nanoseconds in the vicinity of a naked singularity, or some such. > obIndependenceDayReview: (courtesy of the teen sitting behind me, > following the city-destruction scene): "What *absolute bullshit*! > That was pretty great, though!" The more I hear about this flick, the more it seems like "President Rambo versus the Flying Saucers". Think I'll give it a miss! - Andy From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jul 10 10:52:43 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:52:43 -0400 Subject: Cult Fest? Message-ID: >From alt.music.blueoystercult: > Just wanted to see if there were any other Baltimorons out there >going to the show in August. In case you haven't heard, it's called >Cult Fest. It's on August 11 at Merriweather Post Pavillion and it's >going to be a 7 hour show with 4 other bands including CCR and The >Edgar Winter Group. This will be the first show in a major arena in >Baltimore in years. The tix will be on sale Friday at Record and Tape >Traders and other ProTix outlets. Can it be? After years of complaining how BOC opens for less deserving bands, that BOC gets to headline with other has-beens opening for them? +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 10 16:19:04 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:19:04 BST Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:41:26 -0400 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > Steve Hawking did come up with something recently that suggested that > backward time travel may be possible in certain limited circumstances, but I > think it was of the order of nanoseconds in the vicinity of a naked > singularity, or some such. I read some stuff on this recently and it seems that the math doesn't preclude time travel backwards. However, you can't go back to before the Universe started :-) A corollary of the same math is that it should be possible in principle to establish wormholes in space simply by using either gravity or electromagnetic forces to bend space. The black holes idea is of course related to using gravity for this purpose. The problem is that tidal forces (different gravity on one side of your spaceship from the other) will tear you apart. Another way to do this would be with very strong electromagnetic fields. Apparently there are topological problems with setting up the two ends of the wormhole. However, someone worked out that if such things were set up and they were came between the Earth and a a star or galaxy, there'd be a kind of double version of the effect they get with gravitational lensing (black holes and other superdense objects get between the Earth and a distant galaxy and lens the image in a particular way which is detectable by producing a double-image). Since there are searches for gravitational lensing underway, they added software to search fro this signature also, just in case they discovered an ET subway system :-) Apparently there was some excitement a couple of months back when they got such a result, but it was explained by some other mechanism. Meanwhile another ETI search continues. I *think* this appeared in Scientific American sometime over the last year. > - Andy FoFP From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 10 12:34:08 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:34:08 EST Subject: Fogerty no show Message-ID: > > From alt.music.blueoystercult: > > > Just wanted to see if there were any other Baltimorons out there > >going to the show in August. In case you haven't heard, it's called > >Cult Fest. It's on August 11 at Merriweather Post Pavillion and it's > >going to be a 7 hour show with 4 other bands including CCR and The Make no mistake, that ain't CCR you'll be seeing, but rather Creedence Clearwater *Revisited*. The original lineup without the only one that matters--John C. Fogerty. So don't waste your time on that part of the show. A good time to go out for a beer... theo > From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jul 10 11:37:20 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:37:20 +0200 Subject: covers... Message-ID: fIREHOSE did the Red and the Black and a Swedish band called the Nomads (maybe you have heard of them? Sonic Youth likes the Nomads... if anybody cares) has done at least one BOC cover (I think it is "This ain't..." -but as usual, I'M NOT SURE ;-)... Anyway, when they did this cover they called the band 7 Screaming Dizbusters. I've heard it once and it is cool version... hey I'm pretty sure it is "This ain't the summer". varfo:r regnar den ha:r dja:vla sommaren bort totalt -Daniel PS Alessandro, if you read this, my English is embarrasing (I don't even know if I spell this right) but nobody has complained about it. Maybe nobody reads my mail! I think that's the way it is. :-) DS Craig wrote: >Lydia Lunch (and some dude) did a cover of DFtR. Don't know which album, >but saw it on a CD-S about a year ago. I passed... > >> >> Bonnie Tyler did Going Through the Motions >> >> Jack >> http://j-and-a.com/boc.html >> >> >> Andrew A. Apold wrote: >> > >> > So! who wants to take a stab at a BOC covers project? >> > >> > I don't know of that many, but we could sure put the >> > Brain Surgeons on there... >> > >> > Smashing Pumpkins did a take on Godzilla, didn't they? >> > Theo, got any tapes of your band? >> > >> > Is this practical? >> > =================================== >> > Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random >> > >> > Guildmaster of Reeves >> > Barony of Silverwater >> > Kingdom of the Burning Lands >> > http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm >> > (Andrew A. Apold) >> > > >-- > -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com > ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. > -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 >-------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 > > "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From skarsol at INET.NET Wed Jul 10 07:42:05 1996 From: skarsol at INET.NET (SKARSOL) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:42:05 +0000 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > The more I hear about this flick, the more it seems like "President Rambo > versus the Flying Saucers". Think I'll give it a miss! > > - Andy haven't seen it myself,but everyone i know who has said it was fantastic.the only bad reviews i've seen have been from artsy-fartsy types and pro-critics(who as far as i am conncerned can be at all times expected to give a report exactly opposite my own.}rj From hdboc at TELEVAR.COM Wed Jul 10 11:48:10 1996 From: hdboc at TELEVAR.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:48:10 -0700 Subject: Fogerty no show Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > > > > > From alt.music.blueoystercult: > > > > > Just wanted to see if there were any other Baltimorons out there > > >going to the show in August. In case you haven't heard, it's called > > >Cult Fest. It's on August 11 at Merriweather Post Pavillion and it's > > >going to be a 7 hour show with 4 other bands including CCR and The > > Make no mistake, that ain't CCR you'll be seeing, but rather > Creedence Clearwater *Revisited*. The original lineup without the > only one that matters--John C. Fogerty. So don't waste your time on > that part of the show. A good time to go out for a beer... > theo > > >No Tom Fogerty either. He died a few years ago. Jack aka hdboc http://j-and-a.com/boc.html From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 10 17:00:47 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:00:47 BST Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:41:26 -0400 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > Steve said > > >Well, this isn't exactly the same principle, but you can slow down > >subjective time just by accelerating for long enough. > Yeah - which is why you want to be moving REAL FAST during a Hawkwind gig so it lasts longer. > I recall subjective time slowing down pretty badly during a Mike Oldfield > concert - it seemed to go on *forever* :( > That would have been because you were thinking about the music instead of just listening to it 8-) - it's a well recognised fact among insomniacs - the more thinking you do while trying to get to sleep the longer you seem to have been awake...... > Steve Hawking did come up with something recently that suggested that > backward time travel may be possible in certain limited circumstances, but I > think it was of the order of nanoseconds in the vicinity of a naked > singularity, or some such. > there's an article in Scientific American this month - Hawking vs Penrose on Black Holes but I haven't read it yet. For entertainment SF there's a recent Gregory Benford galactic series that takes in time dilation, black holes, galatic toruses (tori?) cosmic strings and everywhatelse. Terrific stuff. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Wed Jul 10 17:24:29 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:24:29 U Subject: Bored... Message-ID: >Has anyone gone to any of the KISS reunion shows?? No - but I'm going to Donington for no other reason than to see this. Last time they played it (1988?) they were sh**e! Cheers, Rich. ** Supercalifragalisticborussiamunchengladbach ** From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jul 10 12:59:31 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:59:31 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: <9607101700.aa10754@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Jill writes: > > Steve said > > > > >Well, this isn't exactly the same principle, but you can slow down > > >subjective time just by accelerating for long enough. > > > > Yeah - which is why you want to be moving REAL FAST during a Hawkwind > gig so it lasts longer. So does this mean that if the entire audience at a Hawkwind concert runs crazily from side to side (a la Star Trek) during the show, we can get the gig times up to three hours? This could also have the beneficial side-effect that the cumulative effect of lots of flapping lab coats could set up some weird time/space disruption, sparking a wormhole on the stage, through which a 1970s Lemmy, Simon House, et al could appear. ;-) Cheers, Paul. obQuestion: Would the 1970s Dave Brock tell his contemporary to "play more guitar," or would he fail to meet him entirely, due to the latter's complete seclusion, hidden behind a bank of synthesisers (thereby averting any possible time paradox)? e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 10 09:01:17 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:01:17 +0100 Subject: Bored... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , jean l delacour writes > But I would have added more actual >physical sex in addition to oral. I would have added 11.00 a.m. Jam with Primal Scream 12.30 p.m. Parachuting / snowboarding / grinding etc. 7.00 p.m. Go to see Hawkwind 11.00 p.m. Chill with the band for a couple of hours etc.etc, I must be a bit girlie. :P) Sex once a day will do for me, if I'm getting enough drugs'n'rock'n'roll. Sex 4 times a day with no drugs'n'rock'n'roll sounds a bit dull really...ho hum -- Jon Browne From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 10 13:59:20 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:59:20 EST Subject: Off: remnants of ancient rock Message-ID: > > > > > > > > From alt.music.blueoystercult: > > > > > > > Just wanted to see if there were any other Baltimorons out there > > > >going to the show in August. In case you haven't heard, it's called > > > >Cult Fest. It's on August 11 at Merriweather Post Pavillion and it's > > > >going to be a 7 hour show with 4 other bands including CCR and The > > > > Make no mistake, that ain't CCR you'll be seeing, but rather > > Creedence Clearwater *Revisited*. The original lineup without the > > only one that matters--John C. Fogerty. So don't waste your time on > > that part of the show. A good time to go out for a beer... > > theo > > > > >No Tom Fogerty either. He died a few years ago. > > Jack aka hdboc Which makes it even more ridiculous, as Tom quit after about the third album. Hmmm, the 50 % of the band that contributed absolutely nothing but backup, goes out on the road with a name as close as possible without outright piracy. Well, it's only r'n'r. How about the reformed 'Band,' minus, again, the most important member, in this case Robbie Robertson. At least the remnants of that group are all good, creative musicians. And Robbie didn't sing much, just contributed about 80 % of the songwriting. theo From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jul 10 13:51:06 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:51:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, Paul Mather wrote: > So does this mean that if the entire audience at a Hawkwind concert runs > crazily from side to side (a la Star Trek) during the show, we can get > the gig times up to three hours? Ah, so moshing *does* serve a purpose! :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Jul 10 13:57:28 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:57:28 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: <31E3970D.6090@inet.net> from "SKARSOL" at Jul 10, 96 11:42:05 am Message-ID: SKARSOL writes: > > Andy Gilham wrote: > > > The more I hear about this flick, the more it seems like "President Rambo > > versus the Flying Saucers". Think I'll give it a miss! > > > > - Andy > > haven't seen it myself,but everyone i know who has said it was > fantastic.the only bad reviews i've seen have been from artsy-fartsy > types and pro-critics(who as far as i am conncerned can be at all times > expected to give a report exactly opposite my own.}rj If you've seen Stargate, then you've already seen the prototype for ID4. It has the same really bad science, weirdly contrived plot, utter contempt for its audience's intelligence, and incredible, overreaching visual spectacle. The difference between the two is that I actually found ID4 quite watchable, despite its more obvious intellectual and moral deficiencies. It has much better pacing and more plot movement than its predecessor. Also, some scenes are downright eerie, almost in spite of themselves. :-) Finally, they added more (intentional) comedy this time. That helped a lot. ID4 is essentially a multimillion dollar "B" movie. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jul 10 14:02:08 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:02:08 -0500 Subject: Bored... In-Reply-To: <1VMaILAdm64xEwbI@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > Sex once a day will do for me, if I'm getting enough > drugs'n'rock'n'roll. Sex 4 times a day with no drugs'n'rock'n'roll > sounds a bit dull really...ho hum Well, I'm currently settling for rock-n-roll over easy, no side orders, but I'm not complaining. As for drugs, as far as I'm concerned, they're like bell peppers: mostly for looks (mostly bad), taste terrible, less filling (Twinkies anyone?). As for sex, well... currently SWM ISO future wife, etc. etc. [no, this isn't an official ad; Duh. :) ] Once I *do* start getting it... I suppose the typical: 17 times per day on the honeymoon, 10 times a day for the next week, 5 the next, etc., eventually settling down into a nice suburban lifestyle of 2-3 times/week. Um, why are we talking about this on BOC-L? ObHWContent: If I ever produce a movie or have any say in it whatsoever, I *promise* I will make sure they include at least one HW track in the soundtrack, Smiff willing. S'there. :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 10 13:02:09 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 18:02:09 +0100 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: <199607101347.JAA04500@phantom.mindvox.com> Message-ID: >> > Furthermore, the ufologists stated that >> > it has been proven recently that we can infact travel at a warp speed and >> > within this warp one can slow or speed up time factors. *proven*? Surely "theorised" would be more accurate? Even Einstein's _Theory_of Relativity or Darwin's _Theory_ of Evolution havn't made it to _Laws_ yet. As in Law of Gravity etc. -- Jon Browne From mjf at GRAHAM.COM Wed Jul 10 14:38:36 1996 From: mjf at GRAHAM.COM (Mike Fuller) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:38:36 -0700 Subject: HW: Love On 2 CDs In-Reply-To: <38693873@toto.iv> Message-ID: >>>>> On Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:58:30 -0400, Paul Mather >>>>> said: Paul> It was incorrect of me to say "the average Hawkwind gig," as that Paul> can encompass a large sample size (and one going back many Paul> years). :-) I had a recollection that many of the recent reviews Paul> of the UK and Europe gigs put them at around 2 hours, and that is Paul> what I meant. But my memory could easily be playing tricks with Paul> me (especially as it is trying to jostle with concepts and proofs Paul> from NP-completeness right now:). That's probably because trying to choose songs from all the UK and Europe gigs to minimize the amount of wasted space on 2 CDs *is* an NP-complete problem. :-) -- Mike From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jul 10 14:39:08 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:39:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: ID4 (was SETI, ETs, acronyms up the wazoo) In-Reply-To: <199607101757.NAA09051@phantom.mindvox.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, Stephen Swann wrote: > Finally, they added more (intentional) comedy this time. That helped > a lot. ID4 is essentially a multimillion dollar "B" movie. :-) Yes, I think the title of the movie should have been "DJ Fly and the Fresh Prince Whoop Some Alien Ass". And you're not the only one who cringes at the lack of consistency between Hollywood physics and actual physics. E.g., *no* nuclear bomb will destroy an object 1/4 the mass of the moon, I don't think. (I could be wrong.) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 10 05:31:31 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:31:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Love On 2 CDs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Damon C Capehart writes >> 41 mins esp. does seem to be a bit of a waste, room for at least >> _Ejection_ or something :) >Augh! If I hear one more version of Ejection, I think I'll puke! I >already own 4, and I know there're more. If anyone's got a tape of ICU and Calvert together at Dingwall's about 10 years ago, there should be a stonking version of Ejection on it! That's the one I wanna hear! I _was_ joking about it being missing from LiS BTW! No, Carl's right, _Lord Of Light_ was most annoyingly absent from LiS, and putting it on the single doesn't make up for it either!! -- Jon Browne From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 10 16:11:46 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 15:11:46 EST Subject: OFF: do they or don't they? Message-ID: > On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, Stephen Swann wrote: > > Finally, they added more (intentional) comedy this time. That helped > > a lot. ID4 is essentially a multimillion dollar "B" movie. :-) > Yes, I think the title of the movie should have been "DJ Fly and the Fresh > Prince Whoop Some Alien Ass". > > And you're not the only one who cringes at the lack of consistency > between Hollywood physics and actual physics. E.g., *no* nuclear bomb > will destroy an object 1/4 the mass of the moon, I don't think. (I could > be wrong.) > Well, supposedly Roland Emmerich (sp.?) doesn't even believe in UFOs. I don't know if any nuke could do the job you suggest, though at the height of the cold war the US and CCCP both had warheads at least 20 megatons, and I think the CCCP had one experimental model at 50. Maybe not enough to destroy a UFO 1/4 the moon's mass [is that how big the mother ship in the flick is?--haven't seen it] but I bet it would give the ET's a serious headache, and likely make them glow in the dark for about 20,000 years. theo From dzeiger at NETCOM.COM Wed Jul 10 17:21:19 1996 From: dzeiger at NETCOM.COM (David Zeiger) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:21:19 -0700 Subject: OFF: ID4 (was SETI, ETs, acronyms up the wazoo) In-Reply-To: from "Damon C Capehart" at Jul 10, 96 01:39:08 pm Message-ID: > And you're not the only one who cringes at the lack of consistency > between Hollywood physics and actual physics. E.g., *no* nuclear bomb > will destroy an object 1/4 the mass of the moon, I don't think. (I could > be wrong.) By itself? Probably not. No more so than 2 lowly proton torps from an X-Wing could have taken out the Death Star. But it's certainly plausible that the explosion took out components necessary to keep the main power supply from blowing up. For me, the "stupid nuclear tricks" came when they used *one* nuke against the city-ship, and when that didn't work, they gave up... -- David Zeiger dzeiger at netcom.com Windows 95: The Dracula of Operating Systems--it sucks up all your memory, bleeds your hard drive dry, and only works an average of 12 hours out of every 24. From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Jul 10 17:53:18 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:53:18 -0400 Subject: covers... Message-ID: > >Lydia Lunch (and some dude) did a cover of DFtR. Don't know which album, >but saw it on a CD-S about a year ago. I passed... > >> >> Bonnie Tyler did Going Through the Motions >> >> Jack >> http://j-and-a.com/boc.html >> >> >> Andrew A. Apold wrote: >> > >> > So! who wants to take a stab at a BOC covers project? A guy I work with claims he used to have an album by The Cult that was called Fire of Unknown Origin, and it had a cover of DFtR on it. I can't verify this, I'm not into The Cult, but maybe someone else in here would know. Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jul 10 18:04:12 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:04:12 -0600 Subject: Bored... In-Reply-To: <199607101254.IAA22860@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > >Has anyone gone to any of the KISS reunion shows?? > > Not yet, but I've got my tix (way up in the rafters) for when they come to > Boston -- it's gonna be like the circus coming back to town. > > >From what I've heard, the shows are being pretty well received -- 2 hour (20-25 > song) sets, all the old tricks, plus some enhanced pyrotechnics and effects > here and there. Also, I hear that the stage set is pretty barren by the old > standards -- no lighted stairs, no dragon by Gene - they still have the risers > and the levitating drum kit though. > > John > Hope you post a review. Who's opening the show??? Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jul 10 18:13:03 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:13:03 -0600 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: <199607101757.NAA09051@phantom.mindvox.com> Message-ID: Steve wrote; multimillion dollar "B" movie. Response; yes, but wasn't it fun?? Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Jul 10 17:42:42 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:42:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: <960710104123_431176746@emout08.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jul 10, 96 10:41:26 am Message-ID: Andy sez-- > >Well, this isn't exactly the same principle, but you can slow down > >subjective time just by accelerating for long enough. > > I recall subjective time slowing down pretty badly during a Mike Oldfield > concert - it seemed to go on *forever* :( I felt the same way at a Kitaro concert in Denver (January). It was a LONG concert, and I can only take airy synth stuff in small doses. The King Crimson concert (also January) could have gone ten hours, and it would have been just fine by me. :-) > ObHW: Time dilation (as well as suspended animation) explains the Starfarer's > Despatch (Spirit of the Age), as well as Queen's "39". Great song by a great band. So does time dilation explain Hendrix's 1983 (A Merman I Should Turn to Be)? :-) > The more I hear about this flick, the more it seems like "President Rambo > versus the Flying Saucers". Think I'll give it a miss! I'd like to see it, though hopefully at the matinee . . . (is it worth >$6.00?) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Wed Jul 10 19:57:02 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 18:57:02 -0500 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! Message-ID: At 04:19 PM 7/8/96 -0400, you wrote: >On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Doug wrote: > >> Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques will be released on CD in about >> a month or so on Griffin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >A month is time aplenty for Doug Smith to unleash a squad of his elite >Disruption Kommandoes to fly across the Atlantic, surround and seize the >Griffin warehouse, and smash all the copies of the CDs with large, shiny >sledgehammers lest they fall into the hands of salivating Hawkfans... :-) > >Anyway, it's lucky that there's no palindromically-titled individuals >subscribed to this list affiliated with DS who could apprise him of this >"covert operation," isn't it? ;-) I'm shocked, and isn't 'palindrome' a dirty word?:) As it happens, I'm suprised that so many people think Doug is out to stop the band making money, as this is his main role for band. The only reason Doug would put a stop to the Griffin releases is if they don't pay royalties or haven't negotiated a contract that is acceptable. Who knows what goes on behind the scenes. It would be great if these CD's could be available to the public, but the band's interests have to be considered. Yours, Star_rats From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jul 10 21:21:15 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:21:15 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: <9607102142.AA12375@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: Guido wrote: > > The more I hear about this flick, the more it seems like "President Rambo > > versus the Flying Saucers". Think I'll give it a miss! > > I'd like to see it, though hopefully at the matinee . . . (is it worth > >$6.00?) I'd like to see it, too, from what I've heard, though hopefully at the local second-run cinema (75c on Tuesdays, $1-$2 other days). . . :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _New River Head_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Jul 10 21:28:48 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:28:48 -0400 Subject: covers... Message-ID: Haven't these been documented in the FAQ? They've certainly been discussed several times. From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jul 10 23:21:58 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 23:21:58 -0400 Subject: covers... Message-ID: >Haven't these been documented in the FAQ? They've certainly been discussed >several times. I think I remember some being mentioned. If it was discussed on here, it was before I got on this list, so sorry... just looking for stuff to talk about (gotta balance the hawkwind stuff with something....) is the new Brain album still waiting for that guy to work with the mixing? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Jul 11 00:00:43 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:00:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: ID4 (was SETI, ETs, acronyms up the wazoo) Message-ID: >For me, the "stupid nuclear tricks" came when they used *one* nuke >against the city-ship, and when that didn't work, they gave up... Why ? I thought what was stupid was trying to nuke the city-ship in the first place ! because I couldn't imagine any kind of human-made weapon piercing that alien energetic field... Now if one didn't go through, why would a second one have done it ? I don't think that was so stupid... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rock In Progress - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6891 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Jul 11 00:00:45 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:00:45 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs Message-ID: >> The more I hear about this flick, the more it seems like "President Rambo >> versus the Flying Saucers". Think I'll give it a miss! > >I'd like to see it, though hopefully at the matinee . . . (is it worth >$6.00?) It definitely is ! At least in this guy's very humble opinion ! :-) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rock In Progress - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6891 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Jul 11 00:11:05 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:11:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: ID4 Message-ID: At 13:57 10/07/96 -0400, you wrote: >SKARSOL writes: >> >> Andy Gilham wrote: >> >> > The more I hear about this flick, the more it seems like "President Rambo >> > versus the Flying Saucers". Think I'll give it a miss! >> > >> > - Andy >> >> haven't seen it myself,but everyone i know who has said it was >> fantastic.the only bad reviews i've seen have been from artsy-fartsy >> types and pro-critics(who as far as i am conncerned can be at all times >> expected to give a report exactly opposite my own.}rj Well, I've just seen seen the movie and... uh... wow ! That's all I can say. I'm speechless. I mean, it's one of the best SF movies I've ever seen. And I've seen quite a few, just in case you wondered ;-) Okay, true, the president is a bit Rambo-esque when you stop to think about it (especially when he flies off in a plane to fight the aliens besides his men !)... Actually, what troubled me the most (especially coming from a German - non-American - director) was to see yet another movie claiming American leadership over the world. I have nothing against the States, on the contrary, I love the States and it is a fact that the US have been way ahead of other countries on many accounts, but to have the president of the United States suddenly become the ruler of the world (even if it doesn't actually happen this way) was kind of weird and, I felt, somehow unnecessary and gratuitous. Buuuuuuut... that is only a drop of water in the ocean :-) You mustn't stop at this. I mean, there are so many other good things in this movie that they completely outweigh the problems and scientific inacuracies (though these didn't bother me much, personally, I mean, hey, it IS fiction, ya know ? ;-) I loved the plot, the humor, the actors, the sheer power and hugeness of it all, and all the tributes to classics from the past (the Day the Earth stood still, V, Star Wars, Alien, T2...) This movie works magic, and that's what movies are all about - at least in my eyes. Sure, it has flaws, but quite frankly, I don't think you really bother about them while you're watching the film. And I had such a great time watching this one that the good things are the only ones which I am bound to remember in 20 years from now... isn't that what a great movie is supposed to do ? ID4 will go down in History, mark my words ! :-) >If you've seen Stargate, then you've already seen the prototype for >ID4. It has the same really bad science, weirdly contrived plot, >utter contempt for its audience's intelligence, and incredible, >overreaching visual spectacle. Stargate was okay (same director & screenwriters, BTW), but you can't compare. I wasn't entirely satisfied by Stargate, maybe because I was expecting a real space opera, more in the style of Star Wars, and only found a simple adventure/sci-fi B-movie in its stead... But ID4 is a thousand light years away, IMHO. It's as if you tried to compare Stargate to Emmerich's previous Universal Soldiers. The guy is obviously very ambitious and striking higher with each of his new movies. I tell you this : watch for this director's next film, its bound to be something even bigger. When he was just a small local B-movie director in his country, he was already considered as the German Steven Spielberg... and indeed, just as Spielberg, he is offering us huge blockbusters which have been both critically aclaimed and shot down. I, for one, am eagerly awaiting his next movie... and in the meantime, yes, I'll probably go see ID4 a second time (I haven't done that since "Ghost" !)... >The difference between the two is that I actually found ID4 >quite watchable, despite its more obvious intellectual and moral >deficiencies. It has much better pacing and more plot movement >than its predecessor. Also, some scenes are downright eerie, >almost in spite of themselves. :-) Very eerie, yes... and impressive ! I shivered just at the mere size of those ships ! Geez... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rock In Progress - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6891 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dzeiger at NETCOM.COM Thu Jul 11 00:35:28 1996 From: dzeiger at NETCOM.COM (David Zeiger) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:35:28 -0700 Subject: OFF: ID4 (was SETI, ETs, acronyms up the wazoo) In-Reply-To: <199607110400.AAA06261@pi1> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jul 11, 96 00:00:43 am Message-ID: > Why ? I thought what was stupid was trying to nuke the city-ship in the > first place ! because I couldn't imagine any kind of human-made weapon > piercing that alien energetic field... Now if one didn't go through, why > would a second one have done it ? I don't think that was so stupid... Because most shields in SF stories aren't just "invulnerable" to certain types of weapons. Instead, they work by being able to absorb/reflect/redirect incoming energy in some manner. As a result, you will almost certainly have a maximum amount of energy that the shield can disperse at one time. Exactly what would happen when that point is reached would depend on the shield design, but *some* energy would almost certainly get through. So the best idea would be to hit 'em with a whole bunch all at one time. 20 megatons might not do it, but 300 megatons just might. -- David Zeiger dzeiger at netcom.com Windows 95: The Dracula of Operating Systems--it sucks up all your memory, bleeds your hard drive dry, and only works an average of 12 hours out of every 24. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jul 11 01:17:47 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 01:17:47 -0400 Subject: where am I Message-ID: Wait i gotta catch a plane... no I did that.... a train..no.. where am I?? oh nooooooooo.....I'm back home at work.. Right!!! first communique since the tour... am I dreaming this... .... a phone call .. quess whos gonna manage Uncle Nik??? DS.... noooooo not that DS......... yes that DS. I'm still on the plane sleeping dreaming of the Brixton gig tommorrow only a dream only a dream. Or is it................................ regards, Bill 'Hawkwind fried my brain' Stewart From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 05:15:37 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:15:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: ID4 (was SETI, ETs, acronyms up the wazoo) Message-ID: Please Please stop the ID4 thread, it doesn't open here until the 9 August and even later for other parts of Europe. I'm having to read my mail with my eyes closed, not easy I can tell you. Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 04:37:54 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:37:54 +0100 Subject: Fogerty no show In-Reply-To: <31E3D0BA.1BE9@televar.com> from "Jack W. Heffling" at Jul 10, 96 08:48:10 am Message-ID: > > > Just wanted to see if there were any other Baltimorons out there > > >going to the show in August. In case you haven't heard, it's called > > >Cult Fest. It's on August 11 at Merriweather Post Pavillion and it's > > >going to be a 7 hour show with 4 other bands including CCR and The > > Make no mistake, that ain't CCR you'll be seeing, but rather > Creedence Clearwater *Revisited*. The original lineup without the > only one that matters--John C. Fogerty. So don't waste your time on > that part of the show. A good time to go out for a beer... I wouldn't be so fast, actually ... I've heard some good reviews of this band though, even from people who expected it to suck without John. At worst, I understand its an enjoyable nostalgia trip. Might well be worth checking out. After all, as long as they play well, who cares whos in the band? 3OC still put on a great show, once you get past the fact that you can more or less guess the set-list and you don't know whether the sound will be good or not. As long as CCRd don't start promising "an album very soon now" ;) and play a decent gig, who cares? Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 04:39:53 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:39:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jul 10, 96 12:59:31 pm Message-ID: > obQuestion: Would the 1970s Dave Brock tell his contemporary to "play > more guitar," or would he fail to meet him entirely, due to the latter's > complete seclusion, hidden behind a bank of synthesisers (thereby averting > any possible time paradox)? Maybe that's it? Brock is hiding from his past self suddenly springing into space and causing a sudden explosion by violating the occasional Newtonian Law? Might be an _interesting_ explosion though, especially if it took out a few sequencers on the way ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 04:41:45 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:41:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Jul 10, 96 06:02:09 pm Message-ID: >>>> Furthermore, the ufologists stated that >>>> it has been proven recently that we can infact travel at a warp speed and >>>> within this warp one can slow or speed up time factors. > > *proven*? Surely "theorised" would be more accurate? Even Einstein's > _Theory_of Relativity or Darwin's _Theory_ of Evolution havn't made it > to _Laws_ yet. As in Law of Gravity etc. Gravity is probably only a "Law" because no one understands how it works :) "Er, masses attract." "Why?" "Er, well, they just sort of *do* .... " :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 05:03:20 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:03:20 +0100 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! In-Reply-To: <199607102357.SAA22459@deliverator.io.com> from "Hawkwind" at Jul 10, 96 06:57:02 pm Message-ID: > As it happens, I'm suprised that so many people think Doug is out to stop > the band making money, as this is his main role for band. Well, you have to understand that for quite some time when the list saw one Hawkwind screw-up after another we tended to heap the blame on the manager. It's sort of become tradition at this point (and takes the heat off Steve Swann, otherwise Official Scapegoat). The practice really reached a head on the US Hawkwind tour last year when none of the list-fans were surprised at the audience turn-out and enthusiasm for merchanise shown by HW starved US fans (perhaps numerically small in number by *highly* enthusiastic). A lot of us went *ballistic* when we arrived at somewhere like the NYC gig of the tour and discovered that there were _no_ T-shirts or items of any kind because the demand had been underestimated. And we went even *more* ballistic when we realized that there was a pretty sizeable crowd at NYC and if they had been able to buy merchandise on the scale that the punters at the previous gigs had (before the toys ran out) that Hawkwind would have made _thousands_ of dollars at the NYC show alone (and that's in _profit_, considering costs associated with getting the shirts). And if they'd kept that up for the whole tour they actually would have _made_ a handy amount of money on the US tour instead of _losing_ money. And yes, Griffin screwed up by underestimating demand as well, though they didn't _ask_ us ;) and probably should have ;) But with a firm I on OUR band's (as concerned fans) bottom line we callously decided the manager should have been more on top of the situation and been there to do something about it. And as it was we were watching with some annoyance as Hawkwind staggered about the States with a very poor idea of where they were driving themselves, without the means to make money, and playing gigs that were barely longer than an hour to audiences who had in many cases travelled hundreds of miles (if not thousands) to see them. A short set and no souvenier! So heaping abuse on Doug Smith really reached a peak at that point. It might not be fair, but life isn't fair. Other grumbling came from rumors that DS had blocked release of the Orb's cover of _Silver Machine_ and the rumor that he was blocking gigs/tours with the Ozrics. Whether this was true or not it didn't help a disgruntled fan base looking for someone to pin the tail on. Mind you, my own deeply jaundiced views have been improved somewhat by the amazing EMI re-masters and the solstice gig with the Ozrics. Now if everyone was really on top of it there should be a joint HW/Ozrics US tour since demand is high for both and there are a great deal of crossover among the fans actually. Better yet would be for HW to take the offer of a tour with Monster Magnet and set up for a Lallapalooza-type space-rock road show with the Ozrics and gods-know-who-else in the States. That would be brilliant. And I say that even knowing I would miss it by not being in the States anymore ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 05:14:30 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:14:30 +0100 Subject: where am I In-Reply-To: <960711011743_431787839@emout13.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at Jul 11, 96 01:17:47 am Message-ID: > quess whos gonna > manage Uncle Nik??? DS.... noooooo not that DS......... yes that DS. Woah! The plot gets thicker! I guess if you can't _stop_ him you might as well _hire_ him! Probably a wise move. Now, maybe a guest appearance on an album? I wouldn't actually _want_ Nik to rejoin, since I don't think it would work, but it'd be nice to see a guest appearance. But Del ... I want Del scooped up and put at the synth helm in Hawkwind :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Jul 11 06:20:52 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 06:20:52 -0400 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! Message-ID: > Mind you, my own deeply jaundiced views have been improved >somewhat by the amazing EMI re-masters and the solstice gig with the >Ozrics. Now if everyone was really on top of it there should be a >joint HW/Ozrics US tour since demand is high for both and there are >a great deal of crossover among the fans actually. > > Better yet would be for HW to take the offer of a tour with >Monster Magnet and set up for a Lallapalooza-type space-rock road >show with the Ozrics and gods-know-who-else in the States. That >would be brilliant. It seems to me the time is right for such an endevour(sp?) With the popularity of Independence Day (blockbuster of the summer according to sales figures) and other Alien abduction/invasion type things, what better time to try and get more exposure for the last HW release. A knowledgeable manager would be on top of this situation, and would be out there trying to get as much media attention as possible. How about a radio edit of one of the songs from A4? Get some airplay on some of the progressive/rock stations? A project like a space-rock road show, if properly dealt with could put HW back in the spotlight, where they deserve to be since they ARE the absolute best band in this solar system! I remember back in 73, the Space Ritual tour was being promoted by the record company, with radio airplay to support it. I first heard Sonic attack and TWL on the radio, and have ben hooked since. If I recall, wasn't this the peak of HW's popularity? Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 11:14:36 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:14:36 BST Subject: OFF: ID4 (was SETI, ETs, acronyms up the wazoo) In-Reply-To: Damon C Capehart's message of Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:39:08 -0500 Message-ID: Damon C Capehart writes: > And you're not the only one who cringes at the lack of consistency > between Hollywood physics and actual physics. E.g., *no* nuclear bomb > will destroy an object 1/4 the mass of the moon, I don't think. (I could > be wrong.) Nothing we've made yet would achieve much more than local heating and a biggish crater. We couldn't even reliably stop a one mile wide asteroid hitting the Earth with one widdle nuke. !peeve: The US Airforce is now planning to test the effects of explosions on small asteroids. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 11:25:40 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:25:40 BST Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:41:45 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > >>>> Furthermore, the ufologists stated that > >>>> it has been proven recently that we can infact travel at a warp speed and > >>>> within this warp one can slow or speed up time factors. > > > > *proven*? Surely "theorised" would be more accurate? Even Einstein's > > _Theory_of Relativity or Darwin's _Theory_ of Evolution havn't made it > > to _Laws_ yet. As in Law of Gravity etc. > > Gravity is probably only a "Law" because no one understands how > it works :) "Er, masses attract." "Why?" "Er, well, they just sort of > *do* .... " :) Didn't Einstein posit that this was because mass bent spacetime? I was recently at a lecture here by one of the local theoretical physics gurus. He was talking about how a Grand Universal Theory (including all four Forces) is highly likely within ten or twenty years (current accelerators are close to the energy required to have a good look at the symmetry breakdown point of gravity or somesuch). Before the lecture I'd always wondered how particles like the neutrino et al could have no mass. After the lecture I realised that the real question is why some particles do have mass. It's a pretty weird property. I'm having a lot of difficulty not seeing the Universe as some kind of finite automata simulation lately. > Carl FoFP From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jul 11 06:45:54 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 06:45:54 -0400 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! Message-ID: Damon says >I remember back in 73, the Space Ritual tour was being promoted by the >record company, with radio airplay to support it. I first heard Sonic >attack and TWL on the radio, and have ben hooked since. If I recall, >wasn't this the peak of HW's popularity? Absolutely, but I'd hazard the main reasons were (a) the freak success of the "Silver Machine" single, and (b) the simple fact that they were better then than at any time before or since. Not (c) astute marketing. :) I'm probably enough of an old fart to be irritated by the way discussions of popular music often get subverted into discussions of marketing. I also find it curious that discussions swing from dissing record companies, management, etc because "they're only in it for the money", to dissing them for showing insufficient business acumen! So someone underestimated demand for merchandise! I would probably tend to a low estimate myself, on the grounds that I'd rather sell out of everything and lose a few sales, than be stuck with lots unsold. A mistake in hindsight, sure, but then again so was putting a fiver on England to beat Switzerland 1-0 :( - Andy From skarsol at INET.NET Thu Jul 11 03:14:34 1996 From: skarsol at INET.NET (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 07:14:34 +0000 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! Message-ID: Duane Hoyt wrote: > as much media attention as possible. How about a radio edit of one of the > songs from A4? Get some airplay on some of the progressive/rock stations? this is in the works,for the u.k.,at least.this from d.s. rj From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 11 09:19:44 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:19:44 EST Subject: Fogerty no show Message-ID: > > Make no mistake, that ain't CCR you'll be seeing, but rather > > Creedence Clearwater *Revisited*. The original lineup without the > > only one that matters--John C. Fogerty. So don't waste your time on > > that part of the show. A good time to go out for a beer... > > I wouldn't be so fast, actually ... I've heard some good reviews > of this band though, even from people who expected it to suck without > John. At worst, I understand its an enjoyable nostalgia trip. Might > well be worth checking out. > > After all, as long as they play well, who cares whos in the > band? 3OC still put on a great show, once you get past the fact that you > can more or less guess the set-list and you don't know whether the sound > will be good or not. > Yeah, but the 3 in 3OC are guys who were crucial to the overall sound of the band. And Since Eric and Buck sang most of the BOC tunes anyway...John Fogerty WAS CCR. Period. Lead Singer, Lead guitarist, songwriter, producer--everything. They might be a decent band, but they should be in a bar making 200 bucks a night where they should be rather than flogging the corpse of maybe the best American rock band ever. To follow your argument, what if BOC broke up when Al left, Eric and Buck and Allen pursued solo careers, and Al and Joe stayed together, hired a new lead singer and guitarist. Would that be BOC in your eyes and worth seeing? Maybe, given what Al's done with tBS, definitely worth seeing, but not as BOC. I'd be happier to see the CCR thing doing new material that the remnant wrote, rather than trying to cash in on John's creativity. The reason CCR broke up in the first place was over jealousy from Stu and Doug over John's creativity [and, true, autocratic leadership of the band]. John knew if he let the others write tunes, then CCR would be just another mediocre band. Same kind of thing happened with Buddy Holly--he was just light years ahead of other musicians... theo > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 08:40:18 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:40:18 +0100 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! In-Reply-To: <960711064554_355583267@emout07.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jul 11, 96 06:45:54 am Message-ID: > I'm probably enough of an old fart to be irritated by the way discussions of > popular music often get subverted into discussions of marketing. I also find > it curious that discussions swing from dissing record companies, management, > etc because "they're only in it for the money", to dissing them for showing > insufficient business acumen! Ah, but it often depends on who's opinion is appearing at the moment, rather than changing opinions from a given individual. > So someone underestimated demand for merchandise! I would probably tend to a > low estimate myself, on the grounds that I'd rather sell out of everything > and lose a few sales, than be stuck with lots unsold. A mistake in > hindsight, sure, but then again so was putting a fiver on England to beat > Switzerland 1-0 :( True, but that doesn't jeopardise a tour for US Hawkfans. If Hawkwind can't make money playing in the States then they won't go there and a lot of US Hawkfans will be out of luck! Thus whether or not Hawkwind knew how many T-shirts to sell is a serious issue in determining whether a lot of people will get to see the band. The fans may not care about money, but if _someone_ doesn't there won't be a band for there to be fans _of_. And then, I suppose, it wouldn't matter .... :( Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 08:43:54 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:43:54 +0100 Subject: OFF: ID4 (was SETI, ETs, acronyms up the wazoo) In-Reply-To: <9607111114.aa07591@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, M Holmes wrote: > !peeve: The US Airforce is now planning to test the effects of > explosions on small asteroids. > What, you mean like Cuba? Sorry, couldn't resist... :) Dave From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Jul 11 08:48:03 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:48:03 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: <960710104123_431176746@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In <960710104123_431176746 at emout08.mail.aol.com>, on 07/10/96 at 10:41 AM, Andy Gilham said: >Steve Hawking did come up with something recently that suggested that >backward time travel may be possible in certain limited circumstances, >but I think it was of the order of nanoseconds in the vicinity of a naked >singularity, or some such. Wasn't there a member of Iron Butterfly who was working on communication at light-speed, supposedly solved the problems and mysteriously disappeared? ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Thu Jul 11 14:07:07 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:07:07 U Subject: Fogerty no show Message-ID: > I'd be happier to see the >CCR thing doing new material that the remnant wrote, rather than >trying to cash in on John's creativity. Witness Slade II - Slade without Noddy Holder and Jim Lea, who wrote and sang everything. At least they have the guts to throw in a few new tunes in their set, rather than relying on 100% classic Slade. Cheers, Rich. ** All I want for Christmas is a Dukla Prague away kit ** From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Thu Jul 11 14:22:29 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:22:29 BST Subject: OFF:Half Man, Half Biscuit Message-ID: Richard Lockwood writes ** All I want for Christmas is a Dukla Prague away kit ** heh heh, Great band Half Man, Half Biscuit. Esp Trumpton Riots EP. Cheers, Neil. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 09:25:27 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:25:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lemmy interview Message-ID: There's a good Lemmy interview on the Web. The interviewer is a bit of a fanboy, but hey, aren't we all somewhere down there ;) http://www.chartnet.com/columns/mouth/mout0396.html Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jul 11 09:45:09 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:45:09 -0400 Subject: covers... Message-ID: Deb asks: >Haven't these been documented in the FAQ? They've certainly been discussed several times. Uh, well, no - at least not yet. I've saved most of the past mentions of bands covering BOC (and I also have Bolle's "Cult Covered" tape), and when I can get around to it, I hope to add a section on it. I really probably should have done it in the last revision, but didn't get to it. Since this thread has come up again, I guess I should move it up on my list of priorities. Actually, a new version of the FAQ is planned for later this year - and my guess is that I will wait at least until after the next issue of "Morning Final" (Bolle says they'll start getting it together in August, which probably means it'll be out in September - also, I think that will mark the end of the 4 "promised" issues for those who joined the fanclub after it's hiatus and it will remain to be seen what will happen after that - I'm sure details will be forthcoming with the next Morning Final), and probably until the release of the Brain Surgeons' next CD. *IF* the latest BOC album rumours turn into reality, I'd want to include info on BOC's new CD in there as well, but my guess is that even if a new CD becomes a reality, it will get delayed to the point where at least one new version of the FAQ (if not more) will come out before it. At this time, major planned changes and updates for the FAQ (Rev 2.2) are: 1. New info revealed in the upcoming issue of "Morning Final" - which will probably include info about the pending BOC CD, as well as the future status of the fanclub. 2. Info on the Brain Surgeons' new CD added to the discography. 3. Updates to BOC web sites out there -- I think a few of the sites have closed up, there are a few new ones (like Jack's), and ROBO's "Underbelly Online" (which I always thought was one of the coolest - probably because it got updated fairly regularly) is (or will be soon) back. Also there's the BOCbase which Jerry's been working on with help of BOC-L members - I'd like to mention that, as well as the BOC-L archives which are now on-line (BTW - if you've got a web browser and some time, check it out -- the last 9 months or so of posts to BOC-L are there - I'm not sure if the "search" feature works yet - the archive site is a good way to catch up on stuff if you've been away for awhile and don't want to wade through all the posts). 4. I guess it's time to add that section of bands covering BOC . . . Eventually (read: probably like a year from now) when I get a computer for my home, I'd like to create an BOC FAQ in HTML which will have pictures, maybe sounds, and links to other cools sites - maybe someday . . . Finally, I'm always interested in getting more info which might be useful to the FAQ - one thing in particular that I'd like to get is a decent write-up on the recent BOC Doom stuff -- I'm not into Doom at all, so I need someone who is, and who has checked the software out thoroughly, to give me some info on it. Any potential FAQ submissions should be sent to me at: jswartz at mitre.org (as well as any comments on or corrections to the FAQ). Later, John From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jul 11 10:58:44 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:58:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: <9607111125.aa11966@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, M Holmes wrote: > I was recently at a lecture here by one of the local theoretical physics > gurus. He was talking about how a Grand Universal Theory (including all > four Forces) is highly likely within ten or twenty years (current > accelerators are close to the energy required to have a good look at the > symmetry breakdown point of gravity or somesuch). Before the lecture I'd > always wondered how particles like the neutrino et al could have no > mass. After the lecture I realised that the real question is why some > particles do have mass. It's a pretty weird property. A very interesting book I read a couple of months ago concerned itself with "the reductionist nightmare." One of its conclusions is that a "theory of everything" (the physicists Holy Grail) is pretty useless in terms of understanding because you couldn't use it to predict any phenomena beyond the very minute scale upon which it focuses. Worse still, its "language" is not that which would provide a coherent explanation of large-scale phenomena in terms we understand in the domain of the phenomena. (Try and map the interactions of massive numbers of elementary particles comprising a cat and a bowl of food to the concept "the cat is eating because it is hungry"---not that you could simulate such a huge conglomeration of particles, anyway.) One of the main thrusts of the book is that it is very easy to produce complexity, and that the real question is why does there exist any simplicity at all? They derive two notions: simplexity and complicity, and stress the important role that *context* and interaction play in the universe---something often ignored in the reductionist approach. The book is called _The Collapse of Chaos_, by Jack Cohen and Ian Stewart (Penguin, 1994). Cohen is a reproductive biologist and Stewart a mathematician (and author of _Does God Play Dice?_). The first half is a kind of primer about what is known and orthodox about many fields, and the latter half is the authors' spin on things, in which they turn quite a bit of the first half on its head (e.g. they argue that Dawkins' "selfish gene" should actually be termed the "slavish gene"). There is lots of interesting stuff about biology and evolution, and the important role that context plays in both. There is also an annotated bibliography. The book is nicely written, and not turgid. I found it highly interesting and informative. I recommend you try and chase down a copy in your local library. > I'm having a lot of difficulty not seeing the Universe as some kind of > finite automata simulation lately. Or cellular automata... Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _New River Head_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Thu Jul 11 10:44:39 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:44:39 -0500 Subject: ** Possible US Date needs help** Message-ID: Hi all, Just thought I'd throw this at you. Doug has recently heard about a festival planned at Roswell to celebrate the 50th Anniversary of the alien crash. He sent me the newspaper report from the Toronto Star which stated that this festival was to include some big names. Doug and the band are really keen to play this festival if it happens but we need to find out who the organisers are. I have sent off e-mails to all the Roswell sites on the web but have come up with nothing so far. Can the list help? This festival has Hawkwind stamped all over it and would give them lots of exposure, as well as a great chance to come over the the US. I'll post another note later regarding the problems of touring in the states, as this subject comes up all the time. We basically need some people over there to help set up gigs because the US promoters don't put up enought money to make the gigs pay. Anyway, your help is needed in tracking down the details of this event. Yours with thanks, Star_rats From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Jul 11 11:19:16 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:19:16 -0400 Subject: HW: Free offer (not HW, sorry)... In-Reply-To: <199607110321.XAA30064@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Jul 10, 96 11:21:58 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks.... I saw this message to follow on r.m.p. today. I am absolutely amazed by this - not because they're giving away their own material for free, but because they're from my back yard here in Columbus, which I thought to be a progressive/space rock black hole. Maybe one of these days, I'll wander by their 'hide-out' and listen for Hawkwind music blaring out of the windows. :) Here it is....it can't hurt to see what they're like...maybe they're Spacecore (from Cleveland) re-named? :) Are they still playing gigs??? I suppose if they are, they should open for Sun Machine. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ get your free quarkspace cassette.... some tunes from an upcoming (3 weeks away) cd release.... songs and space... the spirit of prog makes up but an ingredient in the quarkspace stew... so check it out... and pass it along... email your address to EJestRecs at AOL.COM thank you for your bandwidth... also see quarkspace at the EEE music festival at the University of Louisville in Kentucky.... the show is sat July 27th and lasts from noon to midnight... six freaky spacey bands... email Steve Roberts at ZNR at AOL.COM for ticket info... Dedicated to bringing freaky music, free of commercial influence, to the ears of listeners across the world. Featuring the progressive, eclectic sounds of quarkspace and National Steam. Email us at EJestRecs at AOL.COM for a free sample tape! SUPPORT INDEPENDENT MUSIC!!! Eternity's Jest Records, Inc., 1487 W. Fifth Ave #212, Columbus OH 43212, USA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Keith H. (FAA) ObSingle: Waiting - PTree PS. Has the signal-to-noise ratio of this list gone significantly down in the last few weeks, or is it just my perception?? I *am* enjoying the DS threads though...it's nice to hear arguments on both the pro- and con- sides in order for us to decide who we will vote for in November. But NOW we hear that the man in question is in bed with both candidates!! Wait 'till the 'old man' hears about 'Slick Nikky'!! Tobacco, shmobacco. And where are all those secret FBI files on past HW-members?....their right to privacy is being VIOLATED!!! Hmmmm...maybe there's another Butterworth storyline brewing here.....'Indictment of the Hawklords' perhaps... From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 11 12:20:05 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:20:05 EST Subject: ** Possible US Date needs help** Message-ID: > Hi all, > Just thought I'd throw this at you. Doug has recently heard about a > festival planned at Roswell to celebrate the 50th Anniversary of the alien > crash. He sent me the newspaper report from the Toronto Star which stated > that this festival was to include some big names. > > Doug and the band are really keen to play this festival if it happens but we > need to find out who the organisers are. I have sent off e-mails to all the > Roswell sites on the web but have come up with nothing so far. Can the list > help? > > This festival has Hawkwind stamped all over it and would give them lots of > exposure, as well as a great chance to come over the the US. > Same with BOC! theo From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 16:40:21 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 16:40:21 BST Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:58:44 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, M Holmes wrote: > > > I was recently at a lecture here by one of the local theoretical physics > > gurus. He was talking about how a Grand Universal Theory (including all > > four Forces) is highly likely within ten or twenty years (current > > accelerators are close to the energy required to have a good look at the > > symmetry breakdown point of gravity or somesuch). Before the lecture I'd > > always wondered how particles like the neutrino et al could have no > > mass. After the lecture I realised that the real question is why some > > particles do have mass. It's a pretty weird property. > > A very interesting book I read a couple of months ago concerned itself > with "the reductionist nightmare." One of its conclusions is that a > "theory of everything" (the physicists Holy Grail) is pretty useless in > terms of understanding because you couldn't use it to predict any > phenomena beyond the very minute scale upon which it focuses. Well I dunno. You could use it to predict the ultimate fate of the Universe. How much bigger would you want? > Worse > still, its "language" is not that which would provide a coherent > explanation of large-scale phenomena in terms we understand in the domain > of the phenomena. (Try and map the interactions of massive numbers of > elementary particles comprising a cat and a bowl of food to the concept > "the cat is eating because it is hungry"---not that you could simulate > such a huge conglomeration of particles, anyway.) Sure. Most of the questions it'd enable us to answer are very much in the realms of cosmology and philosophy. OTOH, I'm personally more interested in questions of the order of "Where did the Universe come from?" than "How do I get my cat to quit spraying?". Then again, I'm well known to be weird. > > I'm having a lot of difficulty not seeing the Universe as some kind of > > finite automata simulation lately. > > Or cellular automata... Yup. Greg Egan's "Permutation City" story has an interesting spin on this one. > Paul. FoFP From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 11 11:53:30 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:53:30 +0200 Subject: Fogerty no show Message-ID: Theo wrote: > >....... To follow your argument, what if BOC broke up when Al left, >Eric and Buck and Allen pursued solo careers, and Al and Joe stayed >together, hired a new lead singer and guitarist. Would that be BOC >in your eyes and worth seeing? Maybe, given what Al's done with tBS, >definitely worth seeing, but not as BOC. I hope you remember the only two members of Deep Purple who have played in every line-up of the band... Jon Lord and Ian Paice. I have big problems with Purple without Gillan and I have even bigger problems with Purple without Blackmore... they played in the neighbourhood last week, and I didn't see them 'cause Blackmore is out of the group. I know he' s an asshole but Blackmore was (in my opinion) 50% of Purple. -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Thu Jul 11 17:01:24 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:01:24 U Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs Message-ID: > I'm personally more >interested in questions of the order of "Where did the Universe come >from?" than "How do I get my cat to quit spraying?". Then again, I'm >well known to be weird. Or, "Why do Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?" Cheers, Rich. ** I was a teenage armchair Honved fan ** From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 11 12:09:13 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:09:13 +0200 Subject: OFF:(now very OFF) SETI, ETs Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: >... ..."How do I get my cat to quit spraying?". Then again, I'm >well known to be weird..... > Could somebody please answer this question? My cat is totally fucked up... :-) -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jul 11 12:34:14 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 12:34:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: <9607111640.aa14455@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, M Holmes wrote: > Well I dunno. You could use it to predict the ultimate fate of the > Universe. How much bigger would you want? The point is, *could* you use it to predict the ultimate fate of the Universe?? Presume, for a moment, that the state of the Universe is determined by the interaction of fundamental particles. To predict a future state would involve projecting forwards the interaction of those particles, extrapolated from some known position. Even if their behaviour at each step were completely known (thanks to "the theory of everything"), it would be impossible to simulate such an enormous amount of data (bearing in mind we'd have to, due to possible sensitivity to initial conditions). (Even current weather simulations can only cope with a tiny fraction of the Earth's available weather data, and we know how good they are at predicting "the ultimate fate of the British summer".:) A "theory of everything" wouldn't even allow us to predict what Mike Holmes would be doing in 5 years time, given the aforementioned problems of scale (even assuming we could sift out the morass of particles comprising "Mike Holmes" from all those around him). > Sure. Most of the questions it'd enable us to answer are very much in > the realms of cosmology and philosophy. It would answer a couple of questions of philosophy, but not many. And I wonder how well such a theory of the microscopic (i.e. how the fundamental particles exist and interact) would address the macroscopic (and realms in between). The big problem about the reductionist quest for "the theory of everything" is that it tells us very well *how* things work, but not *why*. (Plus, it is very difficult to apply at different levels of the reductionist hierarchy in order to obtain meaningful explanations and predictions. I mean, we don't discuss the latest Hawkwind album in terms of air pressure waves, do we, even though this is what music ultimately "is" when you reduce it down far enough.) What is needed is a paradigm that addresses both in a meaningful way. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Skip James, _Today!_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 17:39:52 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:39:52 BST Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Thu, 11 Jul 1996 06:45:54 -0400 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > Not (c) astute marketing. :) > > I'm probably enough of an old fart to be irritated by the way discussions of > popular music often get subverted into discussions of marketing. I also find > it curious that discussions swing from dissing record companies, management, > etc because "they're only in it for the money", to dissing them for showing > insufficient business acumen! > > So someone underestimated demand for merchandise! I would probably tend to a > low estimate myself, on the grounds that I'd rather sell out of everything > and lose a few sales, than be stuck with lots unsold. A mistake in > hindsight, sure, but then again so was putting a fiver on England to beat > Switzerland 1-0 :( > Yeah - but I think the problem is that the band has said in the past that every time they tour the States they *lose* money and end up paying for the trip themselves which is why they don't (or didn't) do US tours. A profitable marketing venture of some (any!) kind seems to be needed if they are going to make it pay and it seems a pity to pass up a good opportunity, especially if that leads to a loss of revenue. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 11 13:53:00 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 12:53:00 EST Subject: OFF:(now very OFF) SETI, ETs Message-ID: > M Holmes wrote: > >... ..."How do I get my cat to quit spraying?". Then again, I'm > >well known to be weird..... > > > > Could somebody please answer this question? My cat is totally fucked up...= > :-) > > -Daniel Get a dog. The cat'll be so paranoid he'll forget all about spraying. But seriously, once they start, there's like no chance of getting him to stop. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 11 14:02:13 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:02:13 EST Subject: Daniel/Yngwie connection? Message-ID: > > Theo wrote: > > > >....... To follow your argument, what if BOC broke up when Al left, > >Eric and Buck and Allen pursued solo careers, and Al and Joe stayed > >together, hired a new lead singer and guitarist. Would that be BOC > >in your eyes and worth seeing? Maybe, given what Al's done with tBS, > >definitely worth seeing, but not as BOC.=20 > > I hope you remember the only two members of Deep Purple who have played in= > =20 > every line-up of the band... Jon Lord and Ian Paice. > I have big problems with Purple without Gillan and I have even bigger=20 > problems with Purple without Blackmore... they played in the neighbourhood= > =20 Losing Gillan didn't bother me much, esp. circa Burn, which was the only time I saw them. But I'm a gtr plyr, and that's what I listen for, generally. I know people who actually passed on seeing Van Halen after Dave got booted. Like anything mattered but Ed's gtr plyng. But I agree with ya an Ritchie. Even though Steve's a monster plyr, and I'd love to see him front his own band, Purp w/o Ritchie isn't Purp. > last week, and I didn't see them 'cause Blackmore is out of the group. I=20 > know he' s an asshole but Blackmore was (in my opinion) 50% of Purple.=20 > > > -Daniel Ritchie's one of the few plyrs that Yngwie will grudgingly admit to liking. Birds of a feather? Daniel, you and Yngwie have something in common! theo > . > > "Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) > > Daniel Wikdahl > Kaptensgatan 2a > S-39 236 KALMAR > SWEDEN > 0480-245 11 > From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 18:05:37 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:05:37 BST Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: Jerry Guizar's message of Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:48:03 -0400 Message-ID: Jerry Guizar writes: > In <960710104123_431176746 at emout08.mail.aol.com>, on 07/10/96 at 10:41 AM, > Andy Gilham said: > > >Steve Hawking did come up with something recently that suggested that > >backward time travel may be possible in certain limited circumstances, > >but I think it was of the order of nanoseconds in the vicinity of a naked > >singularity, or some such. > I think the reasoning goes that the fundamental forces in particle physics are symmetrical in time (they are unchanged if time is reversed) so time travel is possible in theory but it would need an Aweful lot of energy! However there also seems to be an argument about whether a quantum theory of gravity (if one could be produced) would violate this and produce a time asymmetry - which would mess things up a bit. But if such a thing existed this might explain the difference between the uniformity of the beginning of the universe and the mess it'll be in at the end. Read on.... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Jul 11 13:32:33 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:32:33 -0400 Subject: Like a Hurricane Message-ID: Wow, hurricane Bertha is headed towards Greenville NC and I have been summoned to an emergency faculty meeting. Well I guess my suggestion is going to be a keg party on the roof of the med center. Everybody bring Hawkwind CDs and we'll all get blown away ;-) Martyn From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 18:30:51 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:30:51 BST Subject: OFF: Weather In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 11 Jul 1996 12:34:14 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > at each step were completely known (thanks to "the theory of everything"), > it would be impossible to simulate such an enormous amount of data > (bearing in mind we'd have to, due to possible sensitivity to initial > conditions). (Even current weather simulations can only cope with a tiny > fraction of the Earth's available weather data, and we know how good they > are at predicting "the ultimate fate of the British summer".:) curiously enough there's been a fair amount recently on TV and in the newspapers about somebody who has been setting himself up as a weather forecaster using his own personal chaos theory. Now he may just be a crank and a nutcase but he reckons his long term forecasts are, and have been for several years (he's been making a steady income out of putting bets on at the bookmakers) considerably more reliable than the Met Office. This does seem to be borne out by the fact that there are farmers (particularly vegetable growers) and other businesses who subscribe to his weather forecasting service and rely on them heavily and are more than satisfied at their accuracy so far. I got the impression that he just doesn't believe (unlike current Met Office theorists) that the weather remains chaotic - and seems to base his stability patterns on sunspot observation. I dunno. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 13:50:24 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:50:24 +0100 Subject: Daniel/Yngwie connection? In-Reply-To: <13D1E2D02D0@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr." at Jul 11, 96 01:02:13 pm Message-ID: > But I agree with ya an Ritchie. Even though Steve's a > monster plyr, and I'd love to see him front his own band, Purp w/o > Ritchie isn't Purp. I've never quite been able to get behind the personality cult band concept--I've always just concerned myself with "does it sound good?" and "is it entertaining?" I guess that's largely because many bands I know have had dire line-up changes over the course of the years--I'm a big Fairport fan and there was a period in the mid-70s where they had _no_ original members for a few albums! Heck, they've never had more than one original member since 1971! I do understand how some key members can totally drive the direction of a band--Lemmy *is* Motorhead, Brock *is* Hawkwind, Tull *is* Ian Anderson (and Martin Barre, actually). But even if Lemmy went mad and decided never to do anything connected with Motorhead again and didn't care if Mickey Dee and Campbell used the name and recruited a new bass player ... heck a horn section, synth player, and some fire eaters ;) and toured with it .. Well, it might not be anything like Motorhead as we knew and loathed it :) but it might also still be a good gig! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 14:01:31 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:01:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: Weather In-Reply-To: <9607111830.aa03854@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Jul 11, 96 06:30:51 pm Message-ID: > conditions). (Even current weather simulations can only cope with a tiny > fraction of the Earth's available weather data, and we know how good they > are at predicting "the ultimate fate of the British summer".:) Don't talk about the ultimate fate of British Summer! It didn't so any sign of quiting winter until the end of *May* when in launched into summer for about a week and then stopped :P It only has actually gotten summerlike again in the last couple of days :P Yes, doubtless I'm spoiled by US summers ;) but the utter lack of spring in britain this year was outrageous! Mind you, I thought the winter was unimpressive (especially compared to _this_ year on the East Coast of the US ;) but I _expect_ that ... :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Jul 11 14:05:32 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:05:32 -0400 Subject: Brain mix Message-ID: It's not waiting for anything. While we'll start mixing after the 15th, there are a couple of songs we're still finishing up the overdubs on. Crispin Cioe of the Uptown Horns just left, in fact, after doing a couple of incredible parts. DF From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Jul 11 15:11:11 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:11:11 -0500 Subject: BOC: ID4 Message-ID: On 9-JUL-1996 23:09:15.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >10 Jul 1996 13:03:40 +1000 >Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:03:40 +1000 >From: Troy Harris >Subject: Re: BOC: ID4 >In-reply-to: <01I6UJ8V91EQ90WBL9 at delphi.com> >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Message-id: >MIME-version: 1.0 >Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >On Mon, 8 Jul 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: >> On 8-JUL-1996 17:24:29.2 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> >Anyone besides me notice in ID4 the woman waving a sign at one >of the > >alien ships that read 'Take Me Away' --- needless to say >it would have > >been a great place to the play the tune... >> >Shawn >> >> This reminds me of something I forgot to mention to the list. >> Between baseball innings, I was flipping through the channels and came >> across the Christian channel, and there's >> Bob Larson (a crusader who is always >> warning people about the many various disguises of the devil, in >music and > wiccanism, just to name a few). He's standing in this room >which > actually looks like a rigged set, but he claims it's a place >where satanic > rituals take place. In the backround, painted on the >wall (along > w/pentagrams and a few other deals) is the hooked >cross/Kronos/whatever > symbol. I'm sure some BOC fans had been there >to do off a few of the > neighborhood pets, as we're often prone to >doing... > >> Chuck >> `[1;36;46mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive >> >Actually, Bob Larson has also recently come out and said that he was >wrong regarding several rock groups, and could no longer paint the >"demonic" picture on some of them. No kidding?? Hard to imagine: Larson, stopping for a moment...reasoning...admitting to mistakes...hmmm, I still can't picture it. I wonder if he actually w/drew accusations from Slayer or King Diamond (two of his favorite targets). Nah, probably wasn't that generous...probably gave Styx or Motley Crue the benefit of the doubt... (but that's not appropriate for a public reply to the list...) >Softening the blows? Then how will he ever win his war against the devil? The Evil One fights dirty. >L8r, >Troy Chuck OBCD: Sundial - "Reflecter" `[1;30;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Jul 11 15:11:19 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:11:19 -0500 Subject: HW: Love On 2 CDs Message-ID: On 9-JUL-1996 08:31:06.7 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >>BTW, I can't remember if anyone has mentioned this here: the Love In >>Space single will include Lord Of Light and The Golden Void from the >>Alien tour. Also the original version of Silver Machine. >Any word as yet when/If this will be released. >Derrick >--------------------------------------------- >E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk >'Sunrise Wrongside of Another Day' >"Kilminster" Is it KilMINSTER or KilMISTER?? I've seen both... >--------------------------------------------- `[1;30;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jul 11 14:13:40 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:13:40 -0400 Subject: Like a Hurricane Message-ID: >Wow, hurricane Bertha is headed towards Greenville NC and >I have been summoned to an emergency faculty meeting. Well >I guess my suggestion is going to be a keg party on the roof >of the med center. Everybody bring Hawkwind CDs and we'll >all get blown away ;-) The nexus of the crisis, and the origin of storms... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Jul 11 14:34:15 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:34:15 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: from "jean l delacour" at Jul 10, 96 04:13:03 pm Message-ID: jean l delacour writes: > > Steve wrote; multimillion dollar "B" movie. Response; yes, but wasn't it > fun?? Yes, it was. I like B movies, and this was the most visually spectacular B movie ever put on film. I just didn't wnat anyone to be confused if they went to it expecting a piece of cinematic art. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Jul 11 14:39:36 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:39:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jul 10, 96 09:21:15 pm Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > Guido wrote: > > > > The more I hear about this flick, the more it seems like "President Rambo > > > versus the Flying Saucers". Think I'll give it a miss! > > > > I'd like to see it, though hopefully at the matinee . . . (is it worth > > >$6.00?) > > I'd like to see it, too, from what I've heard, though hopefully at the > local second-run cinema (75c on Tuesdays, $1-$2 other days). . . :-) Unless your second run theatre is Dolby equipped, and rents good quality (i.e. not tattered) prints, then don't wait. This movie is all visual and auditory extravaganza. You won't be seeing it for the standout dramatic performances, or the subtleties of the plot. Would you pay $8.00 to watch somebody blow up Washington DC? :) Steve swann at panix.com From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 11 15:53:01 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:53:01 EST Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs Message-ID: > > Would you pay $8.00 to watch somebody blow up Washington DC? :) > > Steve > swann at panix.com Yep. Esp. if Gingrich, Dole, etc. we still in town when it happened, I'd pay many times that! theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 15:31:15 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:31:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: <199607111839.OAA01088@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jul 11, 96 02:39:36 pm Message-ID: > Would you pay $8.00 to watch somebody blow up Washington DC? :) Yes, though I'd pay more to see LA go by-by :) Assuming Lemmy and any listmembers there were safely out on tour :) Cheers, Carl From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jul 11 15:41:03 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 12:41:03 PDT Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! In-Reply-To: <9607111739.aa11782@uk.ac.ed.tattoo>; from "J Strobridge" at Jul 11, 96 5:39 pm Message-ID: > > Andy Gilham writes: > > > Not (c) astute marketing. :) > > > > I'm probably enough of an old fart to be irritated by the way discussions of > > popular music often get subverted into discussions of marketing. I also find > > it curious that discussions swing from dissing record companies, management, > > etc because "they're only in it for the money", to dissing them for showing > > insufficient business acumen! > > > > So someone underestimated demand for merchandise! I would probably tend to a > > low estimate myself, on the grounds that I'd rather sell out of everything > > and lose a few sales, than be stuck with lots unsold. A mistake in > > hindsight, sure, but then again so was putting a fiver on England to beat > > Switzerland 1-0 :( > > > > Yeah - but I think the problem is that the band has said in the past > that every time they tour the States they *lose* money and end up > paying for the trip themselves which is why they don't (or didn't) do > US tours. A profitable marketing venture of some (any!) kind seems to > be needed if they are going to make it pay and it seems a pity to pass > up a good opportunity, especially if that leads to a loss of revenue. > > jill > > > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Well, as stealthy as some of the HW tours have been over here. I can see where it would be hard to anticipate the turnout at a gig. Advance ticket sales was probably not a good enough "tool" to anticipate the final turnout. So, the band (DS?) took a SWAG and came up on the low side as far as the goodies were concerned. So, they didn't have to leave for the Youkay with 5000 unsold tee's was probably seen as a good business move. Nobody wins; the tour didn't make as much money as it could have, to the loss of the band and to the perception that the US is a losing proposition. And the fans get shafted, no T-shirt, no hard-to-find CD or tour poster/programme, unless you were at the first gig or two... As the band is becoming more and more Internet savvy, I would like to see them offer a "tour package" for the faithful. A reservation is offered by the band, where upon proper ID, a package is sold to the fans. This "package' can be a goodie-bag of all the paraphanelia being sold, or a special T-shirt, or something. No money exchanges hands until the day of the gig, where, if the "package" isn't claimed, it is released to the general public. At least, that way, I would know that I'd be bagging a T or whatever. Everyone wins, the band makes money off of the souvinier sales (and has a rough idea of how much to have made, etc.) and the faithful get their goodies. (Damn, I think I'm hanging around the marketing guys too much...) objCDROM drive: Final Doom (uh-oh, think I'm gonna be occupied for a while) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 11 15:56:11 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:56:11 +0100 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! In-Reply-To: <9607111941.AA19936@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com> from "Craig Shipley" at Jul 11, 96 12:41:03 pm Message-ID: > Well, as stealthy as some of the HW tours have been over here. I can see > where it would be hard to anticipate the turnout at a gig. Advance ticket > sales was probably not a good enough "tool" to anticipate the final turnout. > So, the band (DS?) took a SWAG and came up on the low side as far as the > goodies were concerned. So, they didn't have to leave for the Youkay with > 5000 unsold tee's was probably seen as a good business move. Nobody wins; > the tour didn't make as much money as it could have, to the loss of the band > and to the perception that the US is a losing proposition. And the fans get > shafted, no T-shirt, no hard-to-find CD or tour poster/programme, unless you > were at the first gig or two... Well, they could have at least made sure to have enough stuff to sell to balance the books _IF_ they sold it all. Is that basic marketing or what? I mean, if you don't even give yourself the opportunity to break even ..... I'm just a lowly humanties scholar and *I* can figure that one out ;) Besides, if they designed the t-shirts right they could just sell them again on the next tour--worked for Metallica ;) Or sell them by mail-order through Griffin-they were trying something like that *anyway*- after the tour if any were left over. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Jul 11 16:11:26 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:11:26 -0500 Subject: where am I In-Reply-To: <960711011743_431787839@emout13.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, Bill Stewart wrote: > guess whos gonna manage Uncle Nik??? DS.... noooooo not that > DS......... yes that DS. Sorry, apparently my brain isn't working either... assuming Shmiff is one DS, who's the other DS? List of possibilities: David Sylvian? (no...) Dark Star? (wait, that's not a name) Donna Summers! Yeah! (slap) Whatever, I can't think of any more... it's probably way too obvious. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jul 11 16:11:32 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 16:11:32 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs Message-ID: >> Would you pay $8.00 to watch somebody blow up Washington DC? :) > > Yes, though I'd pay more to see LA go by-by :) > Assuming Lemmy and any listmembers there were safely out on tour :) Well, you could pay to see LA be an island.... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Jul 11 16:24:32 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:24:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: ID4 (was SETI, ETs, acronyms up the wazoo) In-Reply-To: <199607102121.OAA01350@netcom3.netcom.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, David Zeiger wrote: > Damon wrote: > > And you're not the only one who cringes at the lack of consistency > > between Hollywood physics and actual physics. E.g., *no* nuclear bomb > > will destroy an object 1/4 the mass of the moon, I don't think. (I could > > be wrong.) > By itself? Probably not. No more so than 2 lowly proton torps from > an X-Wing could have taken out the Death Star. Wul, yeah... but Luke was using the *Force*. :) > For me, the "stupid nuclear tricks" came when they used *one* nuke > against the city-ship, and when that didn't work, they gave up... Yeah, that and in the final battle scene, the planes were using their big missiles on the little fighter saucers... they didn't start using the machine guns until they were desperate. I have about 25 more messages to read about ID4, so I apologize if somebody has probably already said this. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Jul 11 16:52:03 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:52:03 -0500 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! In-Reply-To: <960711064554_355583267@emout07.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, Andy Gilham wrote: > Damon says > >I remember back in 73, the Space Ritual tour was being promoted by the > >record company, with radio airplay to support it. I first heard Sonic > >attack and TWL on the radio, and have ben hooked since. If I recall, > >wasn't this the peak of HW's popularity? Just so you all know, that was Duane who wrote the preceding paragraph, not me. Back in '73, doctors were surgically removing me from my mother. :) Damon From lansford at VNET.NET Thu Jul 11 17:21:16 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:21:16 GMT Subject: OFF:(now very OFF) SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: <13CF71B196A@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, "Ted Jackson jr." wrote: >> M Holmes wrote: >> >... ..."How do I get my cat to quit spraying?". Then again, I'm >> >well known to be weird..... >> > >> >> Could somebody please answer this question? My cat is totally fucked up...= >> :-) >> >> -Daniel >Get a dog. The cat'll be so paranoid he'll forget all about spraying. Actually, paranoia will make a cat spray more. >But seriously, once they start, there's like no chance of getting him >to stop. Too true. You =might= be able to find a vet who'll remove the scent glands. I assume the cat's been fixed? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Political campaigns have about them the same excitement as a prizefight. Campaigns, however, are not nearly as orderly as professional boxing matches. - Ansolabehere and Iyengar -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From skarsol at INET.NET Thu Jul 11 13:53:15 1996 From: skarsol at INET.NET (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:53:15 +0000 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! Message-ID: Craig Shipley wrote: > As the band is becoming more and more Internet savvy, I would like to see them > offer a "tour package" for the faithful. A reservation is offered by the band, > where upon proper ID, a package is sold to the fans. This "package' can be > a goodie-bag of all the paraphanelia being sold, or a special T-shirt, or > something. No money exchanges hands until the day of the gig, where, if the > "package" isn't claimed, it is released to the general public. At least, that > way, I would know that I'd be bagging a T or whatever. Everyone wins, the band > makes money off of the souvinier sales (and has a rough idea of how much to > have made, etc.) and the faithful get their goodies. splendid idea, craig! maybe star_rats will be so kind as to forward it to the proper channels? rj From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jul 11 18:07:49 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:07:49 -0400 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > Besides, if they designed the t-shirts right they could just sell > them again on the next tour--worked for Metallica ;) Or sell them > by mail-order through Griffin-they were trying something like that > *anyway*- after the tour if any were left over. Yeah, I thought they did something like this anyway. Last time I got a catalogue from the merchandising address, it included a couple of old tour t-shirts amongst the stuff on offer. (I even bought an '88 tour shirt, because of the cool design; pity about the poor construction, though.) Surely a good idea would be to take along a boatload of "Hawkwind" t-shirts (my vote goes for the Doremi shirt) with them on tour, along with the "anticipated" number of "tour shirts" (i.e. the grossly underestimated quantities they usually take:). That way, at least if the tour shirts sell out, Hawkfans have the opportunity of buying *some* Hawkwind t-shirt, instead of going home empty-handed and crying into their beer. (Hawkwind artwork and designs are interesting enough to make this more than a viable proposition.) And, anything they didn't sell, could be sold on other tours, or mail-order. Heck, who am I kidding, people would buy the *past* tour shirts, programmes, etc. at this tour's shows, anyway. It's not as if Hawkwind suffer from crappy designs and artwork. Or, they could go the BOC route and make a "standard" tour t-shirt (the "on tour forever") that they could comfortably sell between now and the golden anniversary... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Jeff Healey Band, _Cover to Cover_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jul 11 18:24:54 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:24:54 -0400 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! Message-ID: Damon >Just so you all know, that was Duane who wrote the preceding paragraph, >not me. Back in '73, doctors were surgically removing me from my mother. >:) Oops, sorry, to both Duane and Damon! Andy From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Jul 11 18:24:32 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 16:24:32 -0600 Subject: Roswell Address In-Reply-To: <13B6A354BBB@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: Theo, et al. Regarding your question about an address for the Roswell Fest for next year; I have what you are looking for!! As a matter a fact, I have spoken to Buck & Eric and they seem very interested in doing the Roswell thing. Furthermore, I was talking to somebody that does the promotions for the Roswell Parks & Rec, and he was familiar with the band. The spooky thing about this was that Godzilla came on over the radio (live simulcast from the fest) as we were talking about BOC. One point to take into consideration, however, is BOC's management. No matter how cool this sound for all of us fans, if Mr. Steve Schenk does not like the offer, we can kiss this idea good-bye. I have enclosed the mailing address and e-mail address to Roswell UFO Encounters. I am quite sure that it is ok to forward this info, since they have it printed on all kinds of lliterature and flyers; Mail address; Roswell UFO Encounters P.O. Box 2146 Roswell, NM 88202 U.S.A., Planet Earth, The Milky Way. Phone Number; (505) 622-4742 E-mail address; uforoswl at rt66.com Internet Home Page; HTTP://www.rt66.com/~alien For whatever it's worth, I also have Steve Schenk's office address and numbers, but I am not sure if I should transmit it without prior approval. God bless... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Jul 11 18:28:01 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 16:28:01 -0600 Subject: Brain mix In-Reply-To: <960711140448_355934940@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jul 1996 DFrost8547 at AOL.COM wrote: > It's not waiting for anything. While we'll start mixing after the 15th, there > are a couple of songs we're still finishing up the overdubs on. Crispin Cioe > of the Uptown Horns just left, in fact, after doing a couple of incredible > parts. > DF > Deb; Perhaps you have already mentioned this, but do you know when the release date of the new disc will be?? I am amazed at how quickly BS have been putting out product each year. Thanks for all the great music!! God bless... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jul 11 18:28:43 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:28:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: <199607111839.OAA01088@phantom.mindvox.com> Message-ID: Steve Swann writes: > Unless your second run theatre is Dolby equipped, and rents good > quality (i.e. not tattered) prints, then don't wait. Actually, it is rigged for stereo, and, apart from a bit of ropey sound during _Sense and Sensibility_, they do get decent prints. But the best thing is that the generally spartan turnouts means it's easy to see the screen, instead of being stuck behind someone sporting a Marge Simpson hairdo in an overcrowded auditorium. ;-) > Would you pay $8.00 to watch somebody blow up Washington DC? :) Only if I got to press the plunger... ;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jul 11 19:03:30 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:03:30 -0400 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! Message-ID: Paul suggests >Surely a good idea would be to take along a boatload of "Hawkwind" >t-shirts [snip! like maybe whoever's having problems should do to their cat :)] The downside of this is you have to tie up a load of capital in t-shirts. This is only my impression, but I get the feeling that band t-shirts aren't as popular (at least in England) as they used to be - I recall real scrums to get the latest goodies back in the '70s/early '80s, but now you just see one or two people, and they're usually just saying, "nice shirt"... Maybe it's different in the States, and that's the reason for the under-estimate (as well as erring on the side of caution). - Andy From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Thu Jul 11 21:00:25 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:00:25 -0500 Subject: US Touring problems Message-ID: Hi all, Many thanks to Jean Delacour for providing the Roswell Festival information. I will set the wheels in motion and see what comes up. As to touring in the US, we are hoping that we can get some help from the fans in the US. The problem with touring in the US is that the promoters only put up around $1500 up front. This doesn't even cover expenses for the band's flights and also means that they don't have any great need to pump lots of promotion into the gigs as they are sure they will recover their tiny advance. If we could find a promoter that would put up $3000 or so, that would make the trip much more viable and would mean that the promoter would actually have to do some work in to recover their advance. We would really like to take this side of things out of the promoters hands and set up some gigs ourselves. Hawkwind would then have more control over promotion and ticket sales. This isn't an easy job but there must be someone out there that could set this up. I've already had one offer from a guy (not on the list) and we are following up his lead. So guys, we need to pull together and come up with something here. I'm not saying that HW won't ever play in the US unless this sort of arrangement can be done, but it would be much more attractive to them if we could. If anyone has any ideas/links/contacts, please contact me and we'll take it from there. Please bear in mind that the band are trying to make a living in this very difficult field and that they will not 'pay to play', nor should we expect them to. Yours with thanks, Star_rats at hawkwind.com PS: Latest additions to the WWW site include news about professionally filmed 35mm color footage from a 1970 Roundhouse, London gig. An interview with Peter Mew, the engineer that remastered the UA albums. The poster for the Summer Daze Festival in Devon. The closing page of the Dave Brock Cyberspace Interview. --------------------------------------------- Welcome to the Future The Official Hawkwind WWW Site http://www.hawkwind.com/ --------------------------------------------- From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Jul 11 20:44:01 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:44:01 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jul 11, 96 10:58:44 am Message-ID: Paul sez-- > A very interesting book I read a couple of months ago concerned itself > with "the reductionist nightmare." One of its conclusions is that a > "theory of everything" (the physicists Holy Grail) is pretty useless in > terms of understanding because you couldn't use it to predict any > phenomena beyond the very minute scale upon which it focuses. Certainly. A molecular biologist does not REALLY need to know a great deal about "macro" biology (i.e., anatomy, physiology, ecology, population genetics, etc) to study the regulation of a particular gene. Similarly, "micro" biological studies will not explain "macro" biological phenomena. I would think the disparity in physics is even greater. BTW, I've met biophysicists who have only a minimal understanding of molecular biology, and almost no understanding of other branches of biology. > Worse > still, its "language" is not that which would provide a coherent > explanation of large-scale phenomena in terms we understand in the domain > of the phenomena. (Try and map the interactions of massive numbers of > elementary particles comprising a cat and a bowl of food to the concept > "the cat is eating because it is hungry"---not that you could simulate > such a huge conglomeration of particles, anyway.) There are scientists who seem to think that they can discover biological laws that will explain all biological phenomena (ala physics). I can't see that happening in my lifetime . . . > One of the main thrusts of the book is that it is very easy to produce > complexity, and that the real question is why does there exist any > simplicity at all? They derive two notions: simplexity and complicity, > and stress the important role that *context* and interaction play in the > universe---something often ignored in the reductionist approach. A good example of this is newtonian versus quantum physics. You don't use quantum physics to explain how a pulley works. Similarly, newtonian physics is inadequate for explaining subatomic phenomena. > The book is called _The Collapse of Chaos_, by Jack Cohen and Ian Stewart > (Penguin, 1994). Cohen is a reproductive biologist and Stewart a > mathematician (and author of _Does God Play Dice?_). I confess that I'm not quite sure what a "reproductive" biologist is. > The first half is a > kind of primer about what is known and orthodox about many fields, and the > latter half is the authors' spin on things, in which they turn quite a bit > of the first half on its head (e.g. they argue that Dawkins' "selfish > gene" should actually be termed the "slavish gene"). What about selfish prions, viruses, ribozymes, and transposable elements? :-) > I found it highly interesting and > informative. I recommend you try and chase down a copy in your local > library. May have to check it out. A great book which confronts this inadequacy of western philosophy is _Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenence_ by Robert Pirsig. > > I'm having a lot of difficulty not seeing the Universe as some kind of > > finite automata simulation lately. > > Or cellular automata... I'll stick with the Tao, or the Hindu concept of Brahma (see the Upanishads). :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Jul 11 20:56:37 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:56:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: <199607111839.OAA01088@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jul 11, 96 02:39:36 pm Message-ID: Steve sez- > Would you pay $8.00 to watch somebody blow up Washington DC? :) Well . . . YEAH! :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Jul 11 23:31:10 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:31:10 -0400 Subject: US Touring problems In-Reply-To: <199607120100.UAA17953@deliverator.io.com> from "Hawkwind" at Jul 11, 96 08:00:25 pm Message-ID: The palindromic astral rodent puts forth... > Hi all, > > We would really like to take this side of things out of the promoters hands > and set up some gigs ourselves. Hawkwind would then have more control over > promotion and ticket sales. This isn't an easy job but there must be someone > out there that could set this up. I've already had one offer from a guy (not > on the list) and we are following up his lead. > > If anyone has any ideas/links/contacts, please contact me and we'll take it > from there. OK, this sounds good...I'm afraid, though, that people like me (and others on this list for sure) are huge fans of HW and other more obscure music, and attend lots of events and buy lots of merchandise, but we have no knowledge of the behind scenes action of putting on a gig...advances, advertising, logistics, etc. Nor do we know who (all) these people are that need to be contacted/dealt with. Although I shouldn't speak for others, I'd think that we'd be willing to do our part to help things work out well for everyone involved. Tell us how. The suggestions I could make on contacts would be fairly obvious I think, and only relevant to my neck of the woods. These would be... 1) Cleveland -- lot's of folks (who *do* know the business/promotional side of things), but mainly Jim Lascko (of Strange Trips..address on the Love in Space booklet), Steve Taylor of Sun Machine (who should *certainly* be considered in advance for doing opening slots in Cleveland, etc.), and Scott (?), who was part of the touring group for the April '95 tour here (and who's also been on stage with Sun Machine). I would suggest them looking to play the Odeon this next time....I saw Gong there, and it is a nice club. They could even perhaps sell it out and add a second show (as they did at the Empire (R.I.P.) in '90 (?))...I'm sure the band would like a day with no travelling. Of course, Cleveland is one of the few places that HW *can* get a lot of fans to show up even with minimal adverts. They played the Agora last year, which can hold probably >2,000 comfortably. They had perhaps half that last year, maybe the largest NA gig since the 70's. 2) Chicago -- I'm sure Jim Collins of Tentacles of Erpland is in the know about getting in contact with the right people. All I can add is my wish that they would get to play in the Metro, rather than in the Cubby Bear place down the street, which was too small. The *other* Chicago HW gig I saw was in an even worse place (the Thirsty Whale), which has now been replaced by a McDonalds. 3) Toronto -- Well, I don't know any booking folks there, but I've been there for three HW shows in the past, and all three have gone well, and were reasonably well attended. The Phoenix is a fine club, and would work fine again I think. I believe that someone like Louise McAuley (who has lived in various places in Canada, from Toronto to Montreal) would be willing to offer her services - she is a very good artist (and usually makes her own 'promo-type' hand-coloured posters for special events like HW tours, and the NYE Sun Machine/F/i show) and also has her own lights/slide show gear. And her male companion is the well-known 'flame' guy, Stew Orr (the Wizard) who's well known around these parts for being repetitive to the point of being repetitive to the point of being repetitive....you get the idea. I don't need to see his 'act' again...although with Louise, you probably get both. [And I don't need to see the 'Sloan Gypsies' again either, the loser crew who 'opened' for Gong at the Odeon.] Oh, the artist guy from the second Sun Machine show would be a good thing to have on stage for HW...he could do some cool Aliens while Ron is doing his thing...and I'm sure he could come up with a Robot as well (if Ron can't bring his mechanical beast). I have no idea what his name is, but I figure he's a Clevelander as well. 4) Columbus - I can't say I believe my present hometown would be such a great place for a HW gig, even despite the huge student population here...they're just a bunch of 'alternative' freaks it seems. But the Newport here next to campus is a great place for shows (BOC, Motorhead, etc. play there often), and would be awesome for a Hawkwind show...similar to the Agora in Cleveland, but a bit more intimate (ie. smaller). If you know the right people here to get in touch with, I could do what I could to urge them on, as I'm the lone Columbus-ite on the list here (unless there's a lurker here somewhere). The positive things about Columbus are that you'd probably still get a lot of Clevelanders heading down for a second opportunity to see them, plus you might draw folks from Dayton, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Wheeling, etc. - places that HW *always* skips on it's 'Great Lakes' swing across to Milwaukee. 5) Cincinnati - Never been to a concert there, ever, but all the bands that come through the Newport play at Bogart's in Cincy. I guess this would be a good place to look to if Columbus seemed too close to Cleveland, and would have the same advantages as here (they haven't played there on any of the four tours in the 80's-90's). BUT although this would be nice to see happen again (ie., another NA tour, with the same old cities represented - and *no* gigs in the south, Texas, or anywhere between Milwaukee and San Fran except Denver), my dream is to see what Carl has already suggested (and which I have been suggesting for several years now, to folks here, as well as Brian Tawn)....and that is a travelling all-day (or maybe half-day...say, 4-12) sort of event that would be outdoors (at the 'non-corporate' places, if you know what I mean, the places *without* Coca-Cola in front of them...not that those places would even be remotely interested). We could have (in my most technicolour dream): Sun Machine darXtar Amon Duul II (or maybe SunDial) Gong (or maybe Ozrics) Hawkwind Monster Magnet I'd go to every show in North America, unless I fell asleep at the wheel and crashed into a ditch...and I'd *still* try to get to the next one. This would probably suck though, as far as any success is concerned, as all 500 people that showed up would be huge fans of all six, but all the other potential concert goers would think 'Who the hell are all these bands?? I mean I've *heard* of Monster Magnet...even saw them on MTV, but what the hell is 'Gong'? So someone with more insight than myself would have to come up with a way to mix some of our personal favourites with a few artists to draw in some 'cross-over' fans. I suppose BOC could be a potential selection, although only the listmembers know why there's a connection to HW, and they tour *everywhere* so often, having them perform wouldn't be particularly noteworthy. Monster Magnet is the only one I could think of, unless we could have a Lemmy reunion with Motorhead performing. But then, the whole space rock concept would be sort of stretched with all the HM'ers involved. But it'd still be the event of the decade for the rest of us. I hope noone suggests we throw in a whole slew of techno-type raving lunatic folks...that seems to be the modus operendi in London, but I don't think *too* many midwestern folks are into all that. What's a better idea?? BTW, Roswell sounds cool....I mean, I think the whole thing about Area 51 is sort of silly, but I think the scene would be something to check out if HW were involved...kinda in the same way as the Limelight gig was interesting. And I wouldn't be surprised if you could get FOX television to broadcast the thing live, with maybe Will Riker as host. That whole network seems to be interested in only broadcasting programs on the wonders of breast-enlargement surgery, and paranormal phenomena. And HW can relate to both!! although I don't think Stacia *needed* any breast-enlargement done. :) Well, my soapbox is getting worn out....we've (or I should say you've, as I haven't done any of the work) managed to arrange our little fun projects (Codex, T-shirts, Covers tapes, etc.) with success....could we manage to take on something of a larger scope?? (Sure, as long as it wasn't our money on the line, eh??) :) Keith H. (FAA) > Yours with thanks, > Star_rats at hawkwind.com > > PS: Latest additions to the WWW site include news about professionally > filmed 35mm color footage from a 1970 Roundhouse, London gig. > An interview with Peter Mew, the engineer that remastered the UA albums. > The poster for the Summer Daze Festival in Devon. > The closing page of the Dave Brock Cyberspace Interview. > > --------------------------------------------- > Welcome to the Future > The Official Hawkwind WWW Site > http://www.hawkwind.com/ > --------------------------------------------- > From wildcat at PRYSM.NET Fri Jul 12 01:14:35 1996 From: wildcat at PRYSM.NET (Jonathan M Thompson) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:14:35 CDT Subject: Roswell Address Message-ID: Ok when is the dates for this and when will the peanut gallerys know if they are going to be there Jonathan Thompson, SCA: Jonathan MacAilpein wildcat at prysm.net Keeper of the Battletech Mailing List email btech at prysm.net to subscribe "I don't even know how to make oxygen. All I know is that it deals with plants and ends in osis or is it esis." - Lister [Red Dwarf "White Hole"] From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Jul 12 01:46:35 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:46:35 -0500 Subject: Latest news on Roswell Message-ID: Hi all, I contacted the people that Jean put me onto and they, in turn , have put me in touch with acutal promoters. . so far, so good. Apprantly the gig is to be televised to make up for the small venue arrangements, they say that there is only hotel accomodation in the area for around 1000 and couldn't put on a 'festival' as such, just a small outdoor gig. Anyway, this would still be a good gig for the band and would give them plenty of exposure. I'll keep you posted. Yours, Star-rats From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri Jul 12 05:55:00 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:55:00 +0000 Subject: Latest news on Roswell Message-ID: Hawkwind wrote: > > Hi all, > I contacted the people that Jean put me onto and they, in turn , > have put me in touch with acutal promoters. . so far, so good. > > Apprantly the gig is to be televised to make up for the small venue > arrangements, they say that there is only hotel accomodation in the area for > around 1000 and couldn't put on a 'festival' as such, just a small outdoor gig. > I'm sorry, Haven't they heard of tents and sleeping bags ! Let us know as soon as something is confirmed, I will come across the pond for this one ! Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 11 12:52:58 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:52:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Carl E. Anderson" writes > Gravity is probably only a "Law" because no one understands how >it works :) "Er, masses attract." "Why?" "Er, well, they just sort of >*do* .... " :) > >Cheers, >Carl In other words, its a law because you can *prove* it works. Whether a person understands how is secondary to the fact that it's demonstrably true. Unlike time travel, etc. -- Jon Browne From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Jul 12 06:08:34 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 06:08:34 -0400 Subject: HW: Rare cd's Message-ID: Hello all Hawkfreinds, Now and then I see mention of cd's that are considered "rare". Does anyone know which cd's to be exact are considered rare? In the event I ever run across any of them, I would like to know this info. Thanks, Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Jul 12 06:01:34 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:01:34 +0200 Subject: OFF:(now very OFF) SETI, ETs Message-ID: >On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, "Ted Jackson jr." wrote: > >>> M Holmes wrote: >>> >... ..."How do I get my cat to quit spraying?". Then again, I'm >>> >well known to be weird..... >>> > >>> >>> Could somebody please answer this question? My cat is totally fucked up...= >>> :-) >>> >>> -Daniel >>Get a dog. The cat'll be so paranoid he'll forget all about spraying. > >Actually, paranoia will make a cat spray more. He he, I have thought of getting a kitten, and then they could spray together... > >>But seriously, once they start, there's like no chance of getting him >>to stop. > >Too true. You =might= be able to find a vet who'll remove the scent >glands. I assume the cat's been fixed? > > "You kill and maim"... he's maimed but not killed... yet, I think one has to face reality and consider "Why am I keeping this cat". Cynic maybe... He probably just don't know he's castrated (stupid cat). -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Jul 12 06:31:52 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:31:52 +0200 Subject: Daniel/Yngwie connection? Message-ID: theo wrote: >Ritchie's one of the few plyrs that Yngwie will grudgingly admit to >liking. Birds of a feather? Daniel, you and Yngwie have something in >common! True, but it's hard to admit you have something in common with Yngwie ;-) and Carl wrote this: > I've never quite been able to get behind the personality cult >band concept--I've always just concerned myself with "does it sound good?" >and "is it entertaining?" The cult thing is not interresting at all, but I always compare current line-ups with the ones that used to be (those I once started to like). But things weren't always better in the past... nothing is sacred, and it's a bands obligation to be "entertaining" and "sound good". Then is the main question, "When is a band entertaining?" > > I guess that's largely because many bands I know have had dire >line-up changes over the course of the years--I'm a big Fairport fan and >there was a period in the mid-70s where they had _no_ original members >for a few albums! Heck, they've never had more than one original >member since 1971! Hmmm, Purple did change their line-up back in (I'm not sure) 69. But most people look at Gillan and Glover as original members. > > I do understand how some key members can totally drive the >direction of a band--Lemmy *is* Motorhead, Brock *is* Hawkwind, >Tull *is* Ian Anderson (and Martin Barre, actually). Yes, but Ian is the STAR and Martin is just... bald... :-) I wonder how Tull would have sounded today if Tony Iommi still had been in the band... "Roots to branches" is not very enjoyable album... not entertaining and does not sound good at all... >But even if >Lemmy went mad and decided never to do anything connected with Motorhead >again and didn't care if Mickey Dee and Campbell used the name and >recruited a new bass player ... heck a horn section, synth player, >and some fire eaters ;) and toured with it .. > > Well, it might not be anything like Motorhead as we knew and >loathed it :) but it might also still be a good gig! Could be... but don't forget what happened with the bluesrock band Fleetwood Mac that became the pop band Fleetwood Mac... -Daniel in not so sunny Sweden... . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 12 12:04:00 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:04:00 BST Subject: OFF: SETI, ETs In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 11 Jul 1996 12:34:14 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, M Holmes wrote: > > > Well I dunno. You could use it to predict the ultimate fate of the > > Universe. How much bigger would you want? > > The point is, *could* you use it to predict the ultimate fate of the > Universe?? Presume, for a moment, that the state of the Universe is > determined by the interaction of fundamental particles. To predict a > future state would involve projecting forwards the interaction of those > particles, extrapolated from some known position. Even if their behaviour > at each step were completely known (thanks to "the theory of everything"), > it would be impossible to simulate such an enormous amount of data > (bearing in mind we'd have to, due to possible sensitivity to initial > conditions). (Even current weather simulations can only cope with a tiny > fraction of the Earth's available weather data, and we know how good they > are at predicting "the ultimate fate of the British summer".:) A "theory > of everything" wouldn't even allow us to predict what Mike Holmes would > be doing in 5 years time, given the aforementioned problems of scale > (even assuming we could sift out the morass of particles comprising "Mike > Holmes" from all those around him). I was thinking more of the relevance of a quantum theory of gravity to questions of the heat death/cold death of the Universe. A simulator of the Universe would have to be pretty big. I'm not sure we'd have room for it :-) > > > Sure. Most of the questions it'd enable us to answer are very much in > > the realms of cosmology and philosophy. > > It would answer a couple of questions of philosophy, but not many. And I > wonder how well such a theory of the microscopic (i.e. how the fundamental > particles exist and interact) would address the macroscopic (and realms in > between). The big problem about the reductionist quest for "the theory of > everything" is that it tells us very well *how* things work, but not > *why*. I doubt we can even be sure that *why* is an answerable question. It's applying a human level of thought and purpose to something that's so outside of the human realm that such concepts most likely don't apply. > (Plus, it is very difficult to apply at different levels of the > reductionist hierarchy in order to obtain meaningful explanations and > predictions. I mean, we don't discuss the latest Hawkwind album in terms > of air pressure waves, do we, even though this is what music ultimately > "is" when you reduce it down far enough.) What is needed is a paradigm that > addresses both in a meaningful way. No argument there. Hell, I even run around day to day acting as if I have Free Will :-) > Paul. FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 12 08:12:19 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:12:19 +0100 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! In-Reply-To: <960711190329_153995963@emout16.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jul 11, 96 07:03:30 pm Message-ID: > This is only my impression, but I get the feeling that band t-shirts aren't > as popular (at least in England) as they used to be Not so in the States--Hawkwind often gets touted in the trendy underground music scenes. It isn't a mild embarassment as it seems to be in England. And the US fans are starved Hawkwind and in true American fashion are happy to advertise their alliegiances on T-shirts. I went through hell and high water to scrape up one in the years before the US tour and Griffin and all that. I would always wear it to SF cons and I would _always_ get people running up to me screaming "Where did you get that shirt? Is the band still around?" :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 12 08:27:20 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:27:20 +0100 Subject: Latest news on Roswell In-Reply-To: <199607120546.AAA06306@deliverator.io.com> from "Hawkwind" at Jul 12, 96 00:46:35 am Message-ID: > Anyway, this would still be a good gig for the band and would give them > plenty of exposure. I would definitely encourage the band to consider at least a limited edition recording perhaps both audio and video from this. Hawkwind at the Roswell Event. Who could resist? Maybe they could invite in some similarly oriented bands--that might form the seeds of a SpaceRock tour. Well, at least if BOC is there as well it'll be a real boc-l style event! :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jul 12 08:25:05 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:25:05 -0400 Subject: Latest news on Roswell Message-ID: >Hi all, >Apprantly the gig is to be televised to make up for the small venue >arrangements, they say that there is only hotel accomodation in the area for >around 1000 and couldn't put on a 'festival' as such, just a small outdoor gig. Um, there may only be one hotel, but there is plenty of camping areas nearby (especially in the nearby Lincoln National Forest and the Sacramento Mountains, about 45 minutes to the west). This is a beautiful area, primarily pine forest, much nicer than the rather bland dry scrub you get down at the base of the mountains. If people are looking into other areas nearby to stay (and presumably up at night anyways looking for UFO's), this would be a fine choice. I'm going camping there next week, (up near Cloudcroft), I usually camp there once a year... Recently there was a big problem with fires but they've gotten plenty of rain lately so all fire restrictions have ended. But overall it doesn't rain much (this time of year is when they get their most), so weather would likely hold up for any outdoor events... Were I going to this gig (still haven't heard dates) I would probably do this; especially if it's summer when it's much nicer and cooler in the mts than down in Roswell... Oh, and Doug, there's plenty of good backpacking there. And if it's in the winter, Cloudcroft claims it's the southernmost ski resort in the U.S.... Other nearby things to check out include Carlsbad caverns and White Sands... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 12 08:36:12 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:36:12 +0100 Subject: Daniel/Yngwie connection? In-Reply-To: <199607121031.MAA24661@mcfs1.mc.hik.se> from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Jul 12, 96 12:31:52 pm Message-ID: > > I do understand how some key members can totally drive the > >direction of a band--Lemmy *is* Motorhead, Brock *is* Hawkwind, > >Tull *is* Ian Anderson (and Martin Barre, actually). =20 > > Yes, but Ian is the STAR and Martin is just... bald... :-) Blasphemy! :) Martin is an unsung guitar god! I would be hard pressed to like Tull without Martin--at worst I'd end up following Martin's solo career (Which I do anyway :) I think he makes kinda lame albums, but the guitar playing still blows me away :) > I wonder how Tull would have sounded today if Tony Iommi still had been in= > =20 > the band... Like they didn't have Tony Iommi ;) Can you _imagine_ Tony getting along with Ian for 25 years?!! > "Roots to branches" is not very enjoyable album... not=20 > entertaining and does not sound good at all... It was OK, but it didn't rock enough. Not enough guitar. Not enough MARTIN :) > but don't forget what happened with the bluesrock band Fleetwood= > Mac that became the pop band Fleetwood Mac... Well, I didn't say that line-up changes didn't _often_ suck ... ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Fri Jul 12 10:42:23 1996 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:42:23 GMT Subject: HW: Rare cd's Message-ID: Hello all Hawkfreinds, Now and then I see mention of cd's that are considered "rare". Does anyone know which cd's to be exact are considered rare? In the event I ever run across any of them, I would like to know this info. Thanks, Duane Apart from bootlegs, it depends on...where do you live...and the distribution market, record shop's choices etc...what was rare yersterday won't be tomorrow and inverse. Olivier From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Jul 12 09:29:36 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:29:36 -0400 Subject: T shirts In-Reply-To: <960711190329_153995963@emout16.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jul 11, 96 07:03:30 pm Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > Paul suggests > > >Surely a good idea would be to take along a boatload of "Hawkwind" > >t-shirts > [snip! like maybe whoever's having problems should do to their cat :)] > > The downside of this is you have to tie up a load of capital in t-shirts. > > This is only my impression, but I get the feeling that band t-shirts aren't > as popular (at least in England) as they used to be - I recall real scrums to > get the latest goodies back in the '70s/early '80s, but now you just see one > or two people, and they're usually just saying, "nice shirt"... Maybe it's > different in the States, and that's the reason for the under-estimate (as > well as erring on the side of caution). In the US, concert T's are still the way to visibly demonstrate your fandom. Although, at a concert, it's considered the height of cool to be wearing the T from a tour ten years previous. :-) Although, that reminds me of a sort of funny story, about the Tragically Hip. Apparently at a concert a couple of weeks ago, some fan spent the first half of a concert waving a t-shirt at the band, probably to show what a big fan he was. Anyway, he eventually pitched it onto the stage, where Gord Downie, T.Hip's singer, picked it up and said, "Thanks man! You were driving me crazy with this thing!" ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 12 15:02:49 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:02:49 BST Subject: HW: Rare cd's In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Fri, 12 Jul 1996 06:08:34 -0400 Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > Hello all Hawkfreinds, > > Now and then I see mention of cd's that are considered "rare". > Does anyone know which cd's to be exact are considered rare? > In the event I ever run across any of them, I would like to know this info. Difficult - I'll do a quick off-the-top-of-my-head (and therefore not to be wholly relied on!) list and hopefully others can refute it at their leisure! The recent remasters will probably become rare in due course since there weren't that many produced - at least they might reissue the discs but without all the packaging. Some of the compilations are probably quite difficult to find now except in 2nd hand shops - e.g. Night of the Hawks CD and some of the Castle Communications ones. The *original* Flicknife releases are almost impossible to find - reissues are common though. Electric Tepee is still around but I haven't seen It Is the Biz for a while and there's an early issue of Zones/Do Not Panic (I think) that rarely surfaces. Haven't seen Palace Springs on CD for a while now and I would guess that Brock's elegantly packaged solo album might become difficult to get hold of. There's also a Warrior on the Edge of Time CD that plays Pendragon rather than Hawkwind (I'm still looking for this) and combination packs like the Japanese Levitation/Live 79 that are unlikely to appear very often Basically, though, if you can't find it when you want it then it's rare..... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 12 15:51:33 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:51:33 BST Subject: Crap Turner CD Message-ID: There's a crap Turner CD out that's on a par with Festival of the Sun. I didn't buy it but I'd appreciate a track listing for the Discography. I know a couple of folks on this list had copies... Cheers FoFP From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Jul 12 11:05:56 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:05:56 -0500 Subject: US Touring problems In-Reply-To: Keith A Henderson "Re: US Touring problems" (Jul 11, 11:31pm) Message-ID: Keith A Henderson wrote: > The palindromic astral rodent puts forth... > > > Hi all, > > > > We would really like to take this side of things out of the promoters hands > > and set up some gigs ourselves. Hawkwind would then have more control over > > promotion and ticket sales. This isn't an easy job but there must be someone > > out there that could set this up. I've already had one offer from a guy (not > > on the list) and we are following up his lead. > > > > If anyone has any ideas/links/contacts, please contact me and we'll take it > > from there. > 2) Chicago -- I'm sure Jim Collins of Tentacles of Erpland is in the know about > getting in contact with the right people. All I can add is my wish that > they would get to play in the Metro, rather than in the Cubby Bear place > down the street, which was too small. The *other* Chicago HW gig I saw was > in an even worse place (the Thirsty Whale), which has now been replaced by a > McDonalds. Last time Hawkwind played in Chicago, it was at the Park West, which is not a bad venue at all. I would guess that it is the same size or maybe even a little bigger than the Metro. I have a couple of friends here in Chicago that used to work in some of the clubs here doing bookings. I can talk to them to see what I can find out. Star_rats, how soon is this information needed? Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 OS/2 VirusScan - "Windows found: Remove it? (Y/y)" From stayer at PI.NET Fri Jul 12 03:05:00 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:05:00 PDT Subject: OFF, now very OFF, OFFer Message-ID: >M Holmes wrote: >>... ..."How do I get my cat to quit spraying?". Then again, I'm >>well known to be weird..... >Could somebody please answer this question? My cat is totally fucked up...= > :-) Cut off his balls... :-( Jerry From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Jul 12 12:17:21 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:17:21 -0500 Subject: US Touring problems Message-ID: >Last time Hawkwind played in Chicago, it was at the Park West, which >is not a bad venue at all. I would guess that it is the same size or >maybe even a little bigger than the Metro. I have a couple of friends >here in Chicago that used to work in some of the clubs here doing >bookings. I can talk to them to see what I can find out. > >Star_rats, how soon is this information needed? There is no great rush for this information although the sooner we can get something going the better, as tours take a while to sort out. Thanks for the respsones so far. For those that would like to help but don't know where to start, here's a few things to think about when setting up gigs: The most important part of putting on a gig is promotion. If no-one knows about the gig it will be poorly attended. There should be some kind of promotion stratergy which could include local media (papers, TV, radio etc) and flyers to capture possible fans at other places (record shops, clubs, other gigs). This should be handled by the promoter, but isn't done all that well many times. Then we need to consider the band's accomodation. Can they be put up near to the venue and what sort of hotel is it? They don't need a 5 star hotel, but it should be comforatble. Equipment is another source of concern as things like drum kits, bass rigs and guitar amps are generally hired out from a local supplier. This cuts down the cost of shipping the gear out by plane. The list of equipment would be supplied by the band in advance should a gig come off. The more gigs, the better. The most expensive part of coming over to the US is the initial plane tickets. If this amount can be divided by 20 gigs instead of 5, the travel cost per gig looks much better. Once the band are out there, we might as well put them in as many places as possible. Venues: It would be a good idea to aim for venues that hold at least 1500 people. It is better financially to do fewer gigs to a larger number of people, than lots of gigs to 150 at a time. This is where local knowledge comes in, as we can only take the promoters word for the type of venue they have booked. If there is a suitable venue near you, go to the booking office and ask for the names of the agents that handle booking. We may be able to deal with them direct. As you can see, there is a lot of things to consider here and it would be useful if we found people that knew people etc... Any festivals or other large events can also be good gigs to do when abroad as they put bands in contact with each other for future events. Hope that helps. Yours with thanks, Star-rats From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 12 13:31:48 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:31:48 +0100 Subject: US Touring problems In-Reply-To: <199607121617.LAA04073@deliverator.io.com> from "Hawkwind" at Jul 12, 96 11:17:21 am Message-ID: > Then we need to consider the band's accomodation. Can they be put up near > to the venue and what sort of hotel is it? They don't need a 5 star hotel, > but it should be comforatble. Often fans will be more than happy to provide crash space if they are in the area. I helped out some friends in a band from CA once or twice when they came through Boston that way. Even if they can't fit the whole band, they can at least take the load off the motel bills. No point in overlooking a free bed, shower, and breakfast! > Equipment is another source of concern as things like drum kits, bass rigs > and guitar amps are generally hired out from a local supplier. This cuts > down the cost of shipping the gear out by plane. The list of equipment would > be supplied by the band in advance should a gig come off. Perhaps Hawkwind could hook up with some of the bands in the States that have fans of HW in them and work out a deal with them to rent the gear cheap off of them? Of course, they'd have less choice on gear that way (might kill off the sequencers though ;) :) And I still vote for a Monster Magnet/Ozrics/Hawkwind tour. Heck, throw in Nik as well if he's hooked up with Uncle Doug :) And they can all come out and jam onstage at the end :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 12 13:34:05 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:34:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Rare cd's In-Reply-To: <9607121502.aa05267@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Jul 12, 96 03:02:49 pm Message-ID: > Haven't seen Palace Springs on CD for a while now and I would guess that > Brock's elegantly packaged solo album might become difficult to get hold > of. I've seen both of these around Cambridge recently. I actually wouldn't mind thinking about buying someone's _Strange Trips ..._ CD off them if anyone is looking to dump it :) But anyone without _PS_ shoudl go get it now! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Jul 12 14:55:36 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:55:36 -0500 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! Message-ID: On 11-JUL-1996 16:12:43.2 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Besides, if they designed the t-shirts right they could just sell >them again on the next tour--worked for Metallica ;) Or sell them >by mail-order through Griffin-they were trying something like that >*anyway*- after the tour if any were left over. >Cheers, >Carl That'd be great -- I'd buy one in a second. Then I could get those "Who??" comments w/out having to actually say "I'm into Hawkwind"... :) A U.S. Hawkfan, Chuck `[1;34;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Jul 12 19:56:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 19:56:00 BST-1 Subject: Crap Turner CD Message-ID: I have: Sphynx (Cleopatra 1993, CLEO21352) Prophets Of Time (Cleopatra 1994, CLEO69082) Space Ritual (Cleopatra 1995, CLEO95062) Past or Future (Cleopatra 1996, CLP 9685-2) Assuming you mean the most recent: 1. Dream Worker 2. Kadu Flyer 3. Lord of the Hornets 4. Warriors on the Edge of Time 5. Spiral Galaxy 28948 6. Dying Seas 7. Soul Herder 8. Opa-Loka 2000 9. 10 Seconds of Forever 10. Ejection 11. Audio Energy 12. Highrise 13. Silver Machine 14. You Shouldn't Do That And it's not crap. Gordon. From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Jul 12 15:56:50 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:56:50 -0700 Subject: Crap Turner CD Message-ID: You wrote: > >There's a crap Turner CD out that's on a par with Festival of the Sun. I >didn't buy it but I'd appreciate a track listing for the Discography. I >know a couple of folks on this list had copies... > Hawk Fairies - Purple Haze 1) Masters of the Universe 2) Space Rock 1999 and Seven Months 3) Thoth 4) Brainstorm 5) Foxy Lady 6) Purple Haze 7) D-Rider 8) Stormbringer From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jul 12 16:37:07 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 22:37:07 +0200 Subject: HW: Rare cd's...Wot???? Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > > There's also a Warrior on the Edge of Time CD that plays Pendragon rather > than Hawkwind (I'm still looking for this) What??? Whaddayamean "Hawkwind" or "Pendragon"??? Are they HW songs??? Never heard of 'em!!! The Dojo CD of Warrior on the Edge of Time I have only has "Motorhead" as a bonus cut...! Christian ObChimpanzee: _Bubbles_ From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jul 12 16:41:54 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 22:41:54 +0200 Subject: HW: Rare cd's...Wot???? Message-ID: At 22:37 1996-07-12 +0200, you wrote: >J Strobridge wrote: >> > >> >> There's also a Warrior on the Edge of Time CD that plays Pendragon rather >> than Hawkwind (I'm still looking for this) > > >What??? Whaddayamean "Hawkwind" or "Pendragon"??? Are they HW songs??? >Never heard of 'em!!! The Dojo CD of Warrior on the Edge of Time I have >only has "Motorhead" as a bonus cut...! misprint. pendragon music in a HW WotEoT cover. hawkwind music in a pendragon cover. the great griffin debacle. and, do never mention "only" and "motorhead" in the same sentence again ;0) \\joe >Christian > >ObChimpanzee: _Bubbles_ > > From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Jul 12 22:00:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 22:00:00 BST-1 Subject: Crap Turner CD Message-ID: > Hawk Fairies - Purple Haze Missed that one... odd track listing... where's In The Mood? Gordon. From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jul 12 17:17:08 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 23:17:08 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind Comix!!! Message-ID: Hi, Windheads! Anybody remember the Grateful Dead comix from Kitchen Sink that adapted GD tunes into comix? I'm a freelance comics/artist (horror stuff for Boneyard in USA and various Norwegian humor-comics) and have had this idea for years to do the same thing with Hawkwind... Their material is ideal for comix and I'm surprised no-one has done this before (unless you count parts of the HW logbook). Any other artists out there interested in helping me putting together an anthology comic book (with HW's permission, of course) of adaptations of HW tunes....? The songs/poems I'd love to adapt are "The Awakening", "Master of the Universe", "Spirit of the Age", "In the Egg" and "High Rise"... I do a lot of commercial art _crap_ these days to make a living, but if there's enough interest in this, I'd love to put my heart back into underground sci-fi type stuff again in my spare time, and I'd love to work with any other artists out there as well. But, I'm sure there'd be plenty of legal hassle with the copyrighted material... I don't see this as a commercial venture, but a non-profit fun project (like the T-shirts or covers tapes) among fans as a B&W photocopy book... about 22 pgs. perhaps with maybe a one or two-color cover. I've already started on sketches for "Master of the Universe" and "Spirit of the Age", by the way.... Christian ObComic: _Roarin' Rick's Rare Bit Fiends_ ObChemical: _DXM_ From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Jul 12 17:18:03 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:18:03 -0600 Subject: Latest news on Roswell In-Reply-To: <199607120546.AAA06306@deliverator.io.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Hawkwind wrote: > Hi all, > I contacted the people that Jean put me onto and they, in turn , > have put me in touch with acutal promoters. . so far, so good. > > Apprantly the gig is to be televised to make up for the small venue > arrangements, they say that there is only hotel accomodation in the area for > around 1000 and couldn't put on a 'festival' as such, just a small outdoor gig. > > Anyway, this would still be a good gig for the band and would give them > plenty of exposure. > > I'll keep you posted. > > Yours, > Star-rats > StarRats; Actually it was I (Manuel) that provided the info. However, I'm on her account at her library where she works at. God bless... Manuel Alzaga & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Jul 12 17:21:28 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:21:28 -0600 Subject: Roswell Hotels, ect In-Reply-To: <199607121225.IAA23480@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: Dear list members; Actually, there are about 12 hotels/motels with in Roswell. Some people, however, stay in Socorro (about an hour West) or even Albq, where I live. It's about a 3 hr drive from Albq to Roswell. GOd bless.... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Jul 12 17:08:15 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:08:15 -0500 Subject: HW: Rare cd's...Wot???? Message-ID: At 10:37 PM 7/12/96 +0200, you wrote: >J Strobridge wrote: >> > >> >> There's also a Warrior on the Edge of Time CD that plays Pendragon rather >> than Hawkwind (I'm still looking for this) > > >What??? Whaddayamean "Hawkwind" or "Pendragon"??? Are they HW songs??? >Never heard of 'em!!! The Dojo CD of Warrior on the Edge of Time I have >only has "Motorhead" as a bonus cut...! I've got this CD. It came with the Warrior on the Edge of Time Griffin re-issue which included the Illustrated Collectors guide book. I didn't realise it was Pendragon though. Mine seems full of ambient music. . does this ring any bells? Star_rats From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jul 12 17:30:03 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 23:30:03 +0200 Subject: HW: Rare cd's...Wot???? Message-ID: >Johan Edlundh quoted what I exclaimed in utter confusion: > >What??? Whaddayamean "Hawkwind" or "Pendragon"??? Are they HW songs??? > >Never heard of 'em!!! The Dojo CD of Warrior on the Edge of Time I have > >only has "Motorhead" as a bonus cut...! > >And mysteriously explained: > misprint. > pendragon music in a HW WotEoT cover. > hawkwind music in a pendragon cover. > the great griffin debacle. I'm now so confused I've broken all my furniture and wearing all my clothes upside-down...are you saying another band (Pendragon) has by mistake swiped the WotEoT cover and vice versa?????? Or is my brain not functioning properly??? Explain, good neighbor. Christian ObIncompleteSentence: _only_ _Motorhead_ (repeat at your leisure) PS!! Oh, and what was the date HW played in Bergen and Oslo in '73? I can check the library for newspaper articles next week or so (sorry jag glemte ? svare p? mailen din om dette for lenge siden..) From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jul 12 18:00:12 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:00:12 +0200 Subject: HW: Rare cd's...Wot???? Message-ID: At 23:30 1996-07-12 +0200, you wrote: >>Johan Edlundh quoted what I exclaimed in utter confusion: > >> >What??? Whaddayamean "Hawkwind" or "Pendragon"??? Are they HW songs??? >> >Never heard of 'em!!! The Dojo CD of Warrior on the Edge of Time I have >> >only has "Motorhead" as a bonus cut...! >> > >>And mysteriously explained: > >> misprint. >> pendragon music in a HW WotEoT cover. >> hawkwind music in a pendragon cover. >> the great griffin debacle. > >I'm now so confused I've broken all my furniture and wearing all my >clothes upside-down... now you acting norwegian ;0) are you saying another band (Pendragon) has by >mistake swiped the WotEoT cover and vice versa?????? Or is my brain not >functioning properly??? Explain, good neighbor. no. Griffin has swiped the CD:s and the covers. >Christian > >ObIncompleteSentence: _only_ _Motorhead_ >(repeat at your leisure) ... >PS!! >Oh, and what was the date HW played in Bergen and Oslo in '73? I can >check the library for newspaper articles next week or so (sorry jag >glemte ? svare p? mailen din om dette for lenge siden..) HW Scandinavian Tour 1973 - (C) Bernhard: Bergen 12.9.73 Wed Oslo Chateau Neuf 13.9.73 Thu Sweden 14.9.73 Fri Gothenbourg Scandinavium 15.9.73 Sat reading the swedish papers was a bit "not so much culture" those days; saturday night our king died after a long death struggle, sunday parliment election... he died around 20:00, and its possible it was to the tunes of "Sonic Attack", as the Scandinavium Festival was between 12:00 and 24:00 and hw wasn't (blasphemy) headlining... \\joe From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Fri Jul 12 18:13:31 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:13:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Re:Only Motorhead Message-ID: Only marginally relevant, but I thought Motorhead fans might be amused. Attended the Lolapolooza festival when it came through Toronto last week, Motorhead seemed to be the influence of choice, after all they were covered by not one, but two of the attending bands ! The Ramones played the tribute that Motorhead wrote to them a while back, "R.A.M.O.N.E.S" and in fact the whole night was capped off by Metallica playing a cover of "Overkill" Maybe we're not as far off the cutting edge as we thought ;-) Cheers, Steve L. From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Jul 12 19:02:56 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 19:02:56 -0400 Subject: Crap Turner CD Message-ID: > >I have: > >Past or Future (Cleopatra 1996, CLP 9685-2) > >Assuming you mean the most recent: > >And it's not crap. > >Gordon. > > A most whole-hearted confirmation of this opinion! It is even better if you saw the tour! Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Jul 12 19:02:41 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 19:02:41 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Comix!!! Message-ID: Christian said >Hawkwind... Their material is >ideal for comix and I'm surprised no-one has done this before (unless >you count parts of the HW logbook). Not true, as it goes - there's that old Jim Cawthorn stuff, for starters. Not to mention SAVAGE HENRY, which Trev Hughes was selling on the Hawkfrendz stand at Brixton ("Hawkwind vs the forces of Chaos"). Sorry! Andy From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Jul 12 19:11:21 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 19:11:21 -0400 Subject: Latest news on Roswell Message-ID: > >On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Hawkwind wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I contacted the people that Jean put me onto and they, in turn , >> have put me in touch with acutal promoters. . so far, so good. >> >> Apprantly the gig is to be televised to make up for the small venue >> arrangements, they say that there is only hotel accomodation in the area for >> around 1000 and couldn't put on a 'festival' as such, just a small outdoor gig. >> >> Anyway, this would still be a good gig for the band and would give them >> plenty of exposure. >> >> I'll keep you posted. >> If the promoters of this truly believe that it will be a small gig, I think they are being quite niave. I believe that people will come from all over the world to this event. It has the potential to be quite a big deal, and quite possibly the springboard to advance space-rock to a new audience. I am near Cleve., Oh., and I for one have every intention of being at this event if in fact HW is on the bill. This will be a show of historic proportions. Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Jul 12 19:15:18 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 19:15:18 -0400 Subject: Roswell Hotels, ect Message-ID: > >Dear list members; > >Actually, there are about 12 hotels/motels with in Roswell. Some people, >however, stay in Socorro (about an hour West) or even Albq, where I live. >It's about a 3 hr drive from Albq to Roswell. > I have never been to Roswell, but I would assume it to be a small town with desert around it. Would there be any problems to simply pitching a tent outside of town in the desert? I.E. local ordinances, etc.? Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Jul 12 21:45:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:45:00 EDT Subject: HW: Rosewell Message-ID: I'm coming in mid thread after a forced absence. Did anybody mention the reputed alien ship crash in this area in the late 40s? Perhaps the Air Force can drag out some great relics for the set. BTW could somebody end me digests from the last 2 weeks? My set up doesn't really work well with the archive set up. Rudy From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Jul 12 22:15:56 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:15:56 -0500 Subject: Roswell Accomodation Message-ID: To all, Having spent many summers camped out at the Reading and Stonehenge festivals, I would love the organisers of the Roswell Festival to make a campsite available. I haven't heard back from the promoters yet, but if they are interested in putting HW on the bill, they may well do so. Thanks for the information regarding the hotels, Manuel, and for the original message that provided me with the contact numbers. Fingers crossed. Star_rats From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sat Jul 13 02:02:18 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:02:18 -0500 Subject: HW: Love in Space: info query Message-ID: Hi all, Is the lp version of LiS different from the cd version--did they pull a BT and all an extra song to the vinyl? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Jul 13 03:27:03 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 02:27:03 -0500 Subject: OFF:(now very OFF) SETI, ETs Message-ID: On 12-JUL-1996 06:14:02.8 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >>On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, "Ted Jackson jr." wrote: >> >>>> M Holmes wrote: >>>> >... ..."How do I get my cat to quit spraying?". Then again, I'm >>>> >well known to be weird..... >>>> > >>>> >>>> Could somebody please answer this question? My cat is totally >fucked= up...=3D >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> -Daniel >>>Get a dog. The cat'll be so paranoid he'll forget all about spraying. >> >>Actually, paranoia will make a cat spray more. >He he, I have thought of getting a kitten, and then they could spray= >together... >> >>>But seriously, once they start, there's like no chance of getting him >>>to stop. >> >>Too true. You =3Dmight=3D be able to find a vet who'll remove the >scent >glands. I assume the cat's been fixed? >> >> >"You kill and maim"... he's maimed but not killed... yet, I think one >has to= >=20 >face reality and consider "Why am I keeping this cat". Cynic maybe...=20 >He probably just don't know he's castrated (stupid cat).=20 >-Daniel >. >"Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) >Daniel Wikdahl >Kaptensgatan 2a >S-39 236 KALMAR >SWEDEN >0480-245 11 I heard that if the spraying begins and then one fixes, it's too late and the cat will continue to spray. But if you get it done ahead of time (four months)... Chuck `[1;37;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Jul 13 02:36:12 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 02:36:12 -0400 Subject: Roswell Hotels, ect Message-ID: >> >>Dear list members; >> >>Actually, there are about 12 hotels/motels with in Roswell. Some people, >>however, stay in Socorro (about an hour West) or even Albq, where I live. >>It's about a 3 hr drive from Albq to Roswell. >> >I have never been to Roswell, but I would assume it to be a small town >with desert around it. Would there be any problems to simply pitching a tent >outside of town in the desert? I.E. local ordinances, etc.? As long as it's not on U.S. Air Force property... .. As I said before there are camping areas nearby... If this does balloon out into a huge festival kind of deal I imagine there will be local people trying to profit off this (that's the whole idea of them holding this)... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sat Jul 13 02:49:36 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:49:36 -0500 Subject: Off: Magnog Message-ID: Hello everyone, While browsing through the newstuff in the HW-esque section of Love Garden, I ran across a band called Magnog. Initially attracted by the cover--a tree top silhouetted against a galaxy against a cloudy sky, done in a copper wash; very nice--I gave them a cursory enough listen in store to go "neat" and buy it. (They had the double lp also, but I think they're the same material--ie, no extra tracks, etc. on lp/cd). Important info: (cd/lp release is eponymous; Krank 010; Kranky [Records I assume], POBox 578743, Chicago IL 60657; band info: Magnog, POBox 913, Edmonds, WA 98020). $14 cd or double lp. Tracks: lost landing 5:46 inst relay 12:25 inst learning forgetfulness 07:32 vox = read poem shapeshifter 14:35 inst a moments [sic] seam 4:43 vox borne upon waves 15:23 inst frame of reference 10:59 inst loom 5:55 inst Band: dana shinn--drums, percussion; some 12 string gtr, moog, vox jeff reilly--bass; some elec gtr and moog phil drake--elec gtr & delay; poem I'm listening to it now, and have to confirm my earlier opinion that it reminds me a lot of acoustic-style ISoS, HotMG in general, and other early HW stuff; not all of the time, but a fair bit. Might be worth checking out... Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Sat Jul 13 03:05:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 03:05:00 EDT Subject: HW: re- Love in Space: info query Message-ID: >Is the lp version of LiS different from the cd version--did they pull a >BT and all an extra song to the vinyl? >Allan. This time they did it the "right" way. The CD set has the extra track - "Hassan, Space Is" Rudy From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sat Jul 13 03:29:03 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 02:29:03 -0500 Subject: HW: re- Love in Space: info query In-Reply-To: <31E6BF72@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Jul 1996, Rudich, Robert A wrote: > >Is the lp version of LiS different from the cd version--did they pull a > >BT and all an extra song to the vinyl? > > This time they did it the "right" way. The CD set has the extra track - > "Hassan, Space Is" Ah, good: I bought the cds today before thinking to check the vinyl... Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sat Jul 13 07:36:47 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 06:36:47 -0500 Subject: HW: US Covers: Update Message-ID: Hi all, Just a short note to let you know that the contributor copies went out on Tuesday this week, and that you should probably have rec'd them by now (or on Sat. in any event). They went to: Chuck Johnson, Allen Ruch, Scott Heller, Bob Rudich, Doug Pearson, Henrik in Sweden (by air, fyi), and someone else who's name I can't recall offhand after having worked all night :-( In any event, a few orders continue to come in, so please: if you ordered a set, or are even interested in one, do please email me and we'll chat about it. I'd like to think that I'll eventually end up making all the 50 sets go away ;-) Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Sat Jul 13 07:53:17 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 12:53:17 +0100 Subject: Roswell Accomodation Message-ID: Camping out sounds like a great idea, however as the years advance I'd thought of getting RV vehicle and making a touring holiday out of it. Lets see: Roswell to Dulce. On to Snowflake Arizona, then Area 51 Nevada, Little ale-inn Racheal. Any other ideas ? Andy C ---------- From: Hawkwind[SMTP:Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM] Sent: 13 July 1996 03:15 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Roswell Accomodation To all, Having spent many summers camped out at the Reading and Stonehenge festivals, I would love the organisers of the Roswell Festival to make a campsite available. I haven't heard back from the promoters yet, but if they are interested in putting HW on the bill, they may well do so. Thanks for the information regarding the hotels, Manuel, and for the original message that provided me with the contact numbers. Fingers crossed. Star_rats From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Sat Jul 13 08:30:37 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 13:30:37 +0100 Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? In-Reply-To: <9607091756.A18576@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> <31E2A30A.250@inet.net> Message-ID: Reply to SKARSOL about Re: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? >cjohnson wrote: >> >> I've been trying for a couple of weeks, but I am unable to access >> the Robert Calvert page. I've also tried the link from Sonique's >> web site, no good.i don't know why you can't get there,i just >> checked and fine. >in case you have a wrong url, here it is. >http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/welcome.htm >are you adding an l after htm? rj I've tried this but I can't access www.thing.de let alone any directory after that. I get told that this server doesn't exist! I've tried from the boc-l page and sonique's page with no luck. Is it MY server that is at fault? Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Jul 13 08:56:29 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 14:56:29 +0200 Subject: HW: Trivia File Addendum Message-ID: hi, I've done a minor investigation of the cover art to the bootleg _Assassins of Allah_ the picture is two arabs on horse, fighting each other with long and sharp swords; the left horseman has just chopped the right ones leg, just above the knee - he is holding his own leg over his head, and looks a bit astonished. Blood is flowing. The scene is macabre, but it's a clear blue sky, and the summer is fine. behind is a river, and beyond that is an arabic city... well, this picture shows a scene of the Famous Battle of Khandajh - trenches - where Mekka was defended from non islam arabs in the embryonic stage of Islam at the 7th century. over the left character is written: "Ali ebn abi Thaleb, Allah, bless Ali!" beside the "chopped" character is written: "Omar ebn Verd al Ameri The Famous Battle of Khandajh" Ali is the defender, and a cousin to Mohammad, the Prophet. Omar, who's mission until this very moment has been to destroy the Sanctuary of Kaba, is an arab - but NOT a muslim. The "ebn" sequence in the names has the same effect to the name as the scottish "mac", and "al Ameri" tells us he's a bit "more importent" person than just "Ameri". That's all for today from your local muslim - \\ali ben joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Jul 13 09:22:49 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 15:22:49 +0200 Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? Message-ID: >>> I've been trying for a couple of weeks, but I am unable to access >>> the Robert Calvert page. I've also tried the link from Sonique's >>> web site, no good.i don't know why you can't get there,i just >>> checked and fine. > >I've tried this but I can't access www.thing.de let alone any directory after >that. I get told that this server doesn't exist! I've tried from the boc-l >page and sonique's page with no luck. Is it MY server that is at fault? > >Si nope, you're probably using Netscape 1.22 or earlier (or equivalent). upgrade to 2.0, and then visit the Spirit of the Page... \\joe From mumford at EUNET.NO Sat Jul 13 11:34:19 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 17:34:19 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind Comix!!! Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > > Christian said > > >Hawkwind... Their material is > >ideal for comix and I'm surprised no-one has done this before (unless > >you count parts of the HW logbook). > > Not true, as it goes - there's that old Jim Cawthorn stuff, for starters. > Not to mention SAVAGE HENRY, which Trev Hughes was selling on the Hawkfrendz > stand at Brixton ("Hawkwind vs the forces of Chaos"). Sorry! > > Andy How can I obtain copies of these books? When were they put out, and are they still availible? Could you provide me with some more info on this since I'd love to get a hold of these? BTW, is anybody still interested in doing such a project anyway? Christian From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sat Jul 13 16:09:20 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 16:09:20 -0400 Subject: US Touring problems In-Reply-To: <199607120331.XAA15777@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In <199607120331.XAA15777 at top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, on 07/11/96 at 11:31 PM, Keith A Henderson said: >We could have (in my most technicolour dream): >Sun Machine >darXtar >Amon Duul II (or maybe SunDial) >Gong (or maybe Ozrics) >Hawkwind >Monster Magnet I'd like to see Porcupine Tree, especially since you don't see them much in the U.S., throw in some Magic Mushroom Band, Architectural Metaphor and maybe some Melting Euphoria. ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sat Jul 13 16:19:53 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 16:19:53 -0400 Subject: Off: Magnog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 07/13/96 at 01:49 AM, Allan T Grohe Jr said: >I'm listening to it now, and have to confirm my earlier opinion that it >reminds me a lot of acoustic-style ISoS, HotMG in general, and other >early HW stuff; not all of the time, but a fair bit. >Might be worth checking out... I've heard them described as lo-fi space rock. I was going to pick that up but bought another lo-fi called Jessamine (same label). ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Jul 13 16:48:39 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 16:48:39 -0400 Subject: Roswell Accomodation Message-ID: >Camping out sounds like a great idea, however as the years advance I'd thought >of getting RV vehicle and making a touring holiday out of it. Lets see: Roswell >to Dulce. On to Snowflake Arizona, then Area 51 Nevada, Little ale-inn Racheal. A quick check reveals "Bottomless Lakes" state park, the oldest state park in New Mexico. It is part of the aquifer system that's why Roswell was there in the first place. It's practically inside the town limits. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sat Jul 13 19:14:12 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 19:14:12 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Comix!!! Message-ID: In a message dated 13/07/96 15:42:40, you write: >> Not true, as it goes - there's that old Jim Cawthorn stuff, for starters. >> Not to mention SAVAGE HENRY, which Trev Hughes was selling on the >Hawkfrendz >> stand at Brixton ("Hawkwind vs the forces of Chaos"). Sorry! >> >> Andy > > >How can I obtain copies of these books? When were they put out, and are >they still availible? Could you provide me with some more info on this >since I'd love to get a hold of these? The Cawthorn stuff was a strip in (I think) _New Worlds_ - I know I've seen some reprints in some of Trev Hughes' stuff. It dates from the '70s, and is similar in feel to the Butterworth "Hawklords" books. The Matt Howarth SAVAGE HENRY with Hawkwind is still more or less current, and Trev has some in stock last I knew. [Trev doesn't have an e-mail address, but his postal address can be found at Carl's Hawkfrendz page: "http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hawkfrendz.html"] Neither of these is really like the idea for your project, as I understand it, though. I'd say go for it! Andy From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jul 12 13:39:42 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:39:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Rare cd's In-Reply-To: <9607121502.aa05267@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9607121502.aa05267 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >Haven't seen Palace Springs on CD for a while now and I would guess that >Brock's elegantly packaged solo album might become difficult to get hold >of. Lucky Lief is bloody impossible to find. Gnash, curse :( I only bought Palace Springs about six months ago. True, I havn't seen it since but it was everywhere until _very_ recently. Electric Tepee though I havn't seen for a while. If you don't have this album, really, buy the next one you see! I've never seen a copy of Hawklords Live but I gather it's not difficult to get in the US. Were Maximum Effect or Punkadelic ever given a CD release? -- Jon Browne From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sat Jul 13 23:21:18 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 23:21:18 -0400 Subject: Roswell Accomodation Message-ID: > >Camping out sounds like a great idea, however as the years advance I'd thought >of getting RV vehicle and making a touring holiday out of it. Lets see: Roswell >to Dulce. On to Snowflake Arizona, then Area 51 Nevada, Little ale-inn Racheal. > >Any other ideas ? > >Andy C > >---------- You could shoot all the way back to Dayton and try and get into Hanger 14. Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sat Jul 13 23:25:52 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 23:25:52 -0400 Subject: US Touring problems Message-ID: > >In <199607120331.XAA15777 at top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, on 07/11/96 at >11:31 PM, > Keith A Henderson said: > >>We could have (in my most technicolour dream): > >>Sun Machine >>darXtar >>Amon Duul II (or maybe SunDial) >>Gong (or maybe Ozrics) >>Hawkwind >>Monster Magnet > > I'd like to see Porcupine Tree, especially since you don't see them >much in the U.S., throw in some Magic Mushroom Band, Architectural >Metaphor and maybe some Melting Euphoria. > I second the motion for Melting Euphoria. Sun Machine would be cool, but they would have to come up with more original stuff, cause you couldn't have some band doing HW covers if the real deal was coming up. Sky Cries Mary would be allright with me to add onto the bill. Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sun Jul 14 02:19:50 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 01:19:50 -0500 Subject: HW: US Tour, Accomodations, etc. Message-ID: Star Rats said something to the effect of the following (sorry, accidentally expunged the message before replying to it): > ... hotels for band members ... Actually, as a couple of other people have pointed out, many fans (some sane) offer to provide free accomodations at their own houses at each stop. I'd like to point out to Star Rats that on both of Nik Turner's stops in Dallas during his Space Ritual '94 and Spiral Realms tours, he stayed at Mike Coleman's house, which is 20 minutes (30-40 in traffic) from the area where most of the venues are (Deep Ellum). Mike and his mum treated Nik, Del, and Alan Powell quite well (apparently, otherwise he wouldn't have stayed there a second time), and the time that I was there, Mrs. Coleman cooked up of the best beef brisket I've ever tasted, not to mention some other wonderful dishes. Also, having talked with Mike Coleman recently, he says he has officially offered accomodations to Dave and the boyz whenever they are in town. One other thing, though. I really doubt that HW will get 1000 people at any venue in the U.S., besides perhaps N.Y., Chicago, and San Fran. (People, prove me wrong, PLEEZ). Most of the venues that are available and cater to the HW crowd have capacities of about 700. (Trees is about that, and the Galaxy Club is about 400... the two venues for Nik.) I'll be getting more info on various venues in the Dallas area soon hereafter, what with capacities, etc. First from what I know, then from what info I can find. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers P.S.: Do the rest of you have trouble calling venues in that either they don't answer their phones EVER or they just have a recording that doesn't give an alternate number? One has to wonder how they EVER actually book bands. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sun Jul 14 02:58:04 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 01:58:04 -0500 Subject: HW: U.S. Tour, VENUES (Dallas) Message-ID: O.K., first of all I'd like to say it's a shame that The Basement ceased to exist about three years ago, because it'd be the perfect venue for HW otherwise. Anyway, on with the venues that actually exist: Deep Ellum Live: This would be perfect too. Capacity is about 1000, I think (like I said, I'd have to check to be sure). The Orb played here last summer, and the venue fit their superb light show perfectly. I also saw Bjork there. It was good too, though of course she didn't have as much of a light show. Phone advertised: (214)748-6222. Address: 2727 Canton St.; Dallas, TX 75226. Trees: Great venue, capacity about 7-800. This is where the Ozrics played during their ONE AND ONLY tour of the States. This is also where Nik played the first time in '94. The stage is a bit small, but somehow they fit the entire Ozrics light show in there. (214)748-5009. Address: 2707 Elm St.; Dallas, TX 75226. Anyone else in Dallas, please feel free to add any more info on Dallas. ------ Begin tirade mode ------ May I also point out, once again, the following: Even though HW has toured the states ... how many times now? They have *never* gotten within even a few *hundred* miles of Texas! I personally would like to know why the South in general (excluding Atlanta, for some reason) seems to have been discarded as unworthy of many bands, including Hawkwind. Are there misconceptions and rumours floating around in the U.K. about this part of the U.S.? Is it REALLY that hard-to-get-to (to use a hyphenated word used recently by Trey Gunn of King Crimson)? Dallas can't possibly be as "hard-to-get-to" as Los Angeles. It's what... a 5 hour drive from San Fran? Dallas is 4 hours from Austin, 5 from Houston, and anyone else can give other stats. Furthermore, HW has been to cities such as Minneapolis, Sommervelle, Milwaukee, and Kansas City, all with populations fewer than Dallas, and much fewer than the Dallas/Ft.Worth metroplex. ------ End tirade mode ------ Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sun Jul 14 07:52:57 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 07:52:57 -0400 Subject: HW: CD for trade Message-ID: Hello Hawkfreinds, While out and about yesterday, I ran across a couple used cd's that might interest someone here. I picked up the Castle release The Hawkwind Collection on the Collector's series, and another called Night Flying on Knight records. I have never seen these before, but have seen them in the discography as bootleg releases. I have decided to keep the Hawkwind Collection, but I am not going to keep the NIght Flying cd. I am willing to trade this cd for some c-90's of HW gigs, so if anyone wants to have this for their collection get in touch privately and we will work something out. See ya, Duane aa5287 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jul 14 08:08:18 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 13:08:18 +0100 Subject: HW: US Tour, Accomodations, etc. In-Reply-To: from "Damon C Capehart" at Jul 14, 96 01:19:50 am Message-ID: > One other thing, though. I really doubt that HW will get 1000 people at > any venue in the U.S., besides perhaps N.Y., Chicago, and San Fran. > (People, prove me wrong, PLEEZ). Most of the venues that are available > and cater to the HW crowd have capacities of about 700. (Trees is about > that, and the Galaxy Club is about 400... the two venues for Nik.) If HW want to play bigger shows in the US they need more exposure. All the Griffin releases were good, but they need to get out and gig a bit and worry more about getting in a good show of respectable length than worrying about whether the light show will be big enough etc. I *still* say Hawkwind should try to arrange to play some of the big science fiction conventions in the States. I always encountered people there who had heard of the band but didn't know much about them. Simply being billed as "British Sci-fi Rock Band" will probably get them a crowd at just about any US convention :) Plus they could have fun wandering about the place and looking at neat stuff. And can you imagine Hawkwind doing a panel on "SciFi and Music"!? Amazing! That would be wicked--a US Hawktour at SF cons and the Roswell fest. What a trip! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sun Jul 14 08:23:39 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 07:23:39 -0500 Subject: HW: US Tour, Accomodations, etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Jul 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > I *still* say Hawkwind should try to arrange to play some of the > big science fiction conventions in the States. I always encountered > people there who had heard of the band but didn't know much about them. > Simply being billed as "British Sci-fi Rock Band" will probably get them > a crowd at just about any US convention :) Plus they could have fun > wandering about the place and looking at neat stuff. And can you > imagine Hawkwind doing a panel on "SciFi and Music"!? Amazing! I'm sure it could be arranged for them to play Dragon Con next year. World Con is in Texas in '97. Gen Con is in Milwaukee in August each year (the latter a gaming con). Don't forget the San Diego and Chicago Comic Cons (both July). Origins' (games again) site varies, but is in Ohio for another year or two, I think. That's just off the top of my head. > That would be wicked--a US Hawktour at SF cons and the Roswell fest. > What a trip! What was the basic info on the Roswell show (date/place, etc.) again? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sun Jul 14 08:30:12 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 07:30:12 -0500 Subject: HW: U.S. Tour, VENUES (Dallas) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Jul 1996, Damon C Capehart wrote: > ------ Begin tirade mode ------ snip > Dallas > can't possibly be as "hard-to-get-to" as Los Angeles. It's what... a 5 > hour drive from San Fran? Dallas is 4 hours from Austin, 5 from Houston, > and anyone else can give other stats. Furthermore, HW has been to cities > such as Minneapolis, Sommervelle, Milwaukee, and Kansas City, all with > populations fewer than Dallas, and much fewer than the Dallas/Ft.Worth > metroplex. > ------ End tirade mode ------ Yes, but from what I recall from talking to HW management/promotion folks from last US tour, HW was hitting the major cities en route. And I think that route was I-70, which would explain the focus on more northern cities. (NB that Kansas City and Lawrence hadn't made it either: they hit Chicago, Milwaukee or some other more northern city, then drove right by en route to Denver 8'-( Perhaps if someone just put together various AAA-like Triptick (sp?) routes for them, or we actually collaborated on a convenient route (that would get the band to each of our respective backyards, of course), the band might be able to hit less standard stops more easily??? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From wildcat at PRYSM.NET Sun Jul 14 11:43:57 1996 From: wildcat at PRYSM.NET (Jonathan M Thompson) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 10:43:57 CDT Subject: HW: U.S. Tour, VENUES (Dallas) Message-ID: >On Sun, 14 Jul 1996, Damon C Capehart wrote: > >> ------ Begin tirade mode ------ > >snip > >> Dallas >> can't possibly be as "hard-to-get-to" as Los Angeles. It's what... a 5 >> hour drive from San Fran? Dallas is 4 hours from Austin, 5 from Houston, >> and anyone else can give other stats. Furthermore, HW has been to cities >> such as Minneapolis, Sommervelle, Milwaukee, and Kansas City, all with >> populations fewer than Dallas, and much fewer than the Dallas/Ft.Worth >> metroplex. Six hours from Shreveport, Louisiana (where I am btw) this is probably the closest I will get to HW in the US. Also how soon prior to "Alien" will there be info on HW and/or BOC appearing? If I am going to go I need to start saving now :( Jonathan Thompson, SCA: Jonathan MacAilpein wildcat at prysm.net Keeper of the Battletech Mailing List email btech at prysm.net to subscribe "I don't even know how to make oxygen. All I know is that it deals with plants and ends in osis or is it esis." - Lister [Red Dwarf "White Hole"] From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sun Jul 14 13:33:03 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 13:33:03 -0400 Subject: HW: U.S. Tour, VENUES (Dallas) In-Reply-To: from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at Jul 14, 96 07:30:12 am Message-ID: Allan says... > > Yes, but from what I recall from talking to HW management/promotion folks > from last US tour, HW was hitting the major cities en route. And I think > that route was I-70, which would explain the focus on more northern > cities. Nah....must've been I-80, a bit further north. If they'd gone along I-70, they'd have come through Pittsburgh, here in Columbus, and then to Indianapolis. AFAIK, they haven't played any of those cities on any of the four recent tours. But that hasn't been such a big deal to me, as travelling a bit north to Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, Toronto, etc. is nothing. Nothing like being shut out entirely like the south (bar the anomalous gig in Atlanta last year) or Australia & Japan for that matter. But maybe it *is* time to come up with a new route. There's nothing wrong with playing in what they consider to be their key markets (NYC, Toronto, Cleveland, Chicago, west coast) still, but there's plenty of territory out there that would consider Hawkwind coming a 'new' thing (like we thought in 1989). The problem is getting these people in say, Miami, New Orleans, Kansas City, St. Louis, Dallas, Charlotte, etc. informed, ie. who Hawkwind was, is, and is not (Nik's band). Obviously, these gigs would not be of the >1,000 variety, but as long as an efficient travel plan was constructed (presumably not an easy task), a 4-5 week tour could be possible, which could mean that the initial costs of overseas flights and general overhead not related to 'per diem' would be divided up over many more gigs. > Perhaps if someone just put together various AAA-like Triptick > (sp?) routes for them, or we actually collaborated on a convenient route > (that would get the band to each of our respective backyards, of course), > the band might be able to hit less standard stops more easily??? Yeah, great, is anyone here an expert in GIS?? This would make a great Arc/Info project, assuming you could come up with a good algorithm for determining Hawkwind demographics. I think we could perhaps apply some of the 'Tap' factors to the general population of the US to determine who might likely be interested in attending a HW show. Keith H. (FAA) From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sun Jul 14 14:35:20 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 14:35:20 -0400 Subject: Hurricane Message-ID: Well the hurricane passed through and ripped up a few trees and blew down the sign outside the bar that I was in. I just plugged the borg back in and I am waiting to see if any email arrives. So yes this is a test :-) Martyn From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Jul 14 19:45:30 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:45:30 BST Subject: OFF: The Wind (was Hurricane) In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Sun, 14 Jul 1996 14:35:20 -0400 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > Well the hurricane passed through and ripped up a > few trees and blew down the sign outside the bar that I was in. > I just plugged the borg back in and I am waiting to see if any > email arrives. So yes this is a test :-) > Welcome back - I guess playing Hawkwind CDs on the roof must have worked - you blew it away.... Glad to see you survived! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sun Jul 14 14:47:31 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 14:47:31 -0400 Subject: OFF: more Quarkspace... In-Reply-To: from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at Jul 14, 96 07:30:12 am Message-ID: Hi Folks... I've heard back from the Quarkspace drummer on their peculiar sudden appearance in Columbus, and have discovered they're not so new after all. And for those who weren't so moved to contact them for the free sample tape based on the earlier post, perhaps this biography of the group might change your mind. Until I've heard this tape, though, I suppose there remains the possibility that they're completely awful. We'll see...let's hope not...It'd be nice to have a local artist actually performing the material I enjoy rather than another awful grundge band. And I may actually decide to go down to Louisville to see this show...since Boud Deun is also playing, a band that played at ProgScape Day 2 (which I missed), and apparently won over a lot of the crowd. Also, Cluster and Brain are doing a show in Covington, KY the night before, so I could make a two-show trip out of it..... Keith H. (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Quarkspace have been together off and on since 1984. They play a style of music that has fallen on hard times in terms of popularity in the last decade or so; a style that was called "space rock". The main proponents of this type of music were Pink Floyd, Hawkwind, Gong, Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and more recently the genre has new champions in the recordings of bands such as Ozric Tentacles, Darxtar, Ship Of Fools and Porcupine Tree. One might also use as a point of reference the long dreamy jams of The Grateful Dead. You may hear some of all of these artists in the music of Quarkspace but you will also hear something that is distinctly their own. Whether that something special is coming from the individual players or from the unique combinations of those players is not totally clear. They do take you on a journey into another realm where rock music & electronics co-exist and transform each other into something that is wholly Quarkspace. THE ECLECTIC ELECTRIC EVENT July 27th 1996 University of Louisville Playhouse Sponsored by EAR X-TACY, ARTSWATCH, ZNR Records & RILEY LITHO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 12 Noon UT GRET 1:30 PM THE MATHEMATICIANS 3:30 PM QUARKSPACE 4:30 PM intermission/ dinner break 6:00 PM VOLARE 7:30 PM FRENCH TV 9:30 PM BOUD DEUN From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Jul 14 20:03:13 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:03:13 BST Subject: HW: Rare cd's...Wot???? In-Reply-To: Hawkwind's message of Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:08:15 -0500 Message-ID: Hawkwind writes: > >J Strobridge wrote: > >> There's also a Warrior on the Edge of Time CD that plays Pendragon rather > >> than Hawkwind (I'm still looking for this) > > > > > >What??? Whaddayamean "Hawkwind" or "Pendragon"??? Are they HW songs??? > >Never heard of 'em!!! The Dojo CD of Warrior on the Edge of Time I have > >only has "Motorhead" as a bonus cut...! > > I've got this CD. It came with the Warrior on the Edge of Time Griffin > re-issue which included the Illustrated Collectors guide book. I didn't > realise it was Pendragon though. Mine seems full of ambient music. . does > this ring any bells? Yep - I've been told that this is the band Pendragon (can't remember the name of the album it's supposed to be) tho' I admit I thought that Pendragon were a prog rock band. Am I right in thinking that the label on the CD itself also says Hawkwind? I really would like to find a copy of this mispressing (and also the alternative Hawkwind on a Pendragon CD - if such a thing exists). I don't suppose for a moment that anyone has a copy they'd be willing to trade (or I could purchase.....) cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Jul 14 20:13:31 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:13:31 BST Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies Message-ID: Just received a flyer from Twink about a new Pink Fairies CD release due in September entitled "Pleasure Island". It is written and produced by Paul Rudolph and Twink and was recorded in Vancouver (if that makes a difference). Just in case anyone is interested it's described as "Cyberdelic sounds & the Spirit of Never Neverland" {JM Barrie would have a fit I guess - but there you have it). jill ObGoSeeIt>Mission Impossible, the film ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Jul 14 15:25:20 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 21:25:20 +0200 Subject: HW: Rare cd's...Wot???? Message-ID: >> >What??? Whaddayamean "Hawkwind" or "Pendragon"??? Are they HW songs??? >> >Never heard of 'em!!! The Dojo CD of Warrior on the Edge of Time I have >> >only has "Motorhead" as a bonus cut...! >> >> I've got this CD. It came with the Warrior on the Edge of Time Griffin >> re-issue which included the Illustrated Collectors guide book. I didn't >> realise it was Pendragon though. Mine seems full of ambient music. . does >> this ring any bells? > >Yep - I've been told that this is the band Pendragon (can't remember the >name of the album it's supposed to be) _The World_ >cheers > >jill cheers - \\joe From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sun Jul 14 15:46:19 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 14:46:19 -0500 Subject: HW: Re: U.S. Tour, VENUES (Dallas) In-Reply-To: <199607141733.NAA29347@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Jul 1996, Keith A Henderson wrote: > But that hasn't been such a big deal to me, as travelling a bit north > to Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, Toronto, etc. is nothing. Nothing like > being shut out entirely like the south (bar the anomalous gig in > Atlanta last year) or Australia & Japan for that matter. Exactly. It's understandable that HW would find it nearly impossible to tour a place like Australia or Japan, since they're soooo far away; the frustration is when HW (and most other proggers) *does* arrive in North America and ignores about 50% of the fans. Actually, it's probably more like 40% of the fans, but it *would* be closer to 50% or more if we had some promotion and concerts down here [it works both ways, see. :) ]. Also, as I recall someone mentioning on the list during HW's '95 tour, Dave & the Boyz didn't realize Atlanta was that far south. They thought it was about 3 or 4 hours from D.C., right? And they were *so* surprised when someone showed them a map displaying just how far it was. > But maybe it *is* time to come up with a new route. Amen. > Obviously, these gigs would not be of the >1,000 variety, but as long > as an efficient travel plan was constructed (presumably not an easy > task), a 4-5 week tour could be possible. Maybe a bit longer ... each of Nik's U.S. tours were about 7 weeks, right? (someone correct me) Actually, I just checked, and they were about 5 weeks. > Allan sez: > > Perhaps if someone just put together various AAA-like Triptick (sp?) triptych (I just looked it up), though I don't think it has the meaning you meant it to: "a set of three panels with pictures, designs, or carvings..." > > routes for them, or we actually collaborated on a convenient route > > (that would get the band to each of our respective backyards, of > > course), the band might be able to hit less standard stops more > > easily??? > Yeah, great, is anyone here an expert in GIS?? What would you need GIS for? (What is GIS?) All you need is a decent U.S. road map. We could collaborate on a decent route easily. I (or someone) could come up with a partially suitable route, then the rest of us can look at our road maps and see what major cities we missed. Students in each area could put up flyers in their respective campuses, we could contact various radio stations and city publications (The Met and The Dallas Observer are the two here... don't think the Morning News would be interested) for P.R.... I think those free weekly mags like the Met and Observer are the only ones who will actually pay attention, if that. But it's worth a try. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sun Jul 14 17:01:54 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 17:01:54 -0400 Subject: HW: Re: U.S. Tour, VENUES (Dallas) In-Reply-To: from "Damon C Capehart" at Jul 14, 96 02:46:19 pm Message-ID: Damon responds... >>> we actually collaborated on a convenient route >>> (that would get the band to each of our respective backyards, of >>> course), the band might be able to hit less standard stops more >>> easily??? >> >> Yeah, great, is anyone here an expert in GIS?? >> > What would you need GIS for? (What is GIS?) All you need is a decent U.S. > road map. We could collaborate on a decent route easily. I (or someone) > could come up with a partially suitable route, then the rest of us can > look at our road maps and see what major cities we missed. GIS stands for Geographical Information Systems, which is a computer-based 'science' used most often for city planning, zoning, public utilities, etc. but also for certain natural resource/environmental monitoring. It combines computer-based cartography/geodetics with 'attribute' data (like demographics, population density, land use/land cover) in order to do things like decide where to put a new highway, or build a new shopping mall. My comment about using this to plan out a successful Hawkwind tour was sort of tongue-in-cheek, but I'm sure that it really could be helpful if you knew what specific things to plan for. Like, you could plan a route that would be cheapest based not just on mileage, but also on hotel fees, tolls, gas prices, rental vehicles, border crossings, if you could parameterize each of these things correctly. The real problem is, however, that even after you decide on the general route, then you have to actually get the gigs booked on the days you've chosen to be in that neighborhood. But then, the club of choice may not be able to book you then, and say, well could you be here on such-and-such day (a week later)?, and then the schedule is either screwed, or you try the next best club, or you skip the city. This certainly happens more times than not, and if HW was a definite must-have for promoters, then they could perhaps get more shows when *they* wanted, but I'm afraid that's probably not the case at all (except maybe for a few select cities). And there's the Friday/Saturday night issue as well, as I'm sure promoters/bands are always conscious of the attendence being generally higher on these days. I think you'd want to be in the largest markets on weekends. > Students in > each area could put up flyers in their respective campuses, we could > contact various radio stations and city publications (The Met and The > Dallas Observer are the two here... don't think the Morning News would be > interested) for P.R.... I think those free weekly mags like the Met and > Observer are the only ones who will actually pay attention, if that. But > it's worth a try. Well, we're into a Catch 22 here, as no press would come about *until* there was something happening, and nothing would happen until the promoters saw there was going to be some public interest in having a more obscure artist perform in their city. Of course, there might be the odd HW-fan in the media some places, presumably at one of those free entertainment guides, that could be a real help. And you wouldn't find them unless you tried. So it couldn't hurt. All in all, I think our biggest contribution might just be in the local hospitality offer, as was done by Mike Coleman. We have list members in a lot of the cities they might play at, and if we could arrange free accomodations and meals for the band, it would not only help them cut costs, but also give them a more warm, fuzzy feeling about making the effort to tour here. And they'd be in more contact with the fans, literally. If they were to come to Columubs, for instance, there would be no way I could house anybody in my miniscule apt., but I would be willing to bug my more affluent colleagues with 'detached' houses to consider lending me their humble abodes for such a unique event. They (HW) probably wouldn't be interested in my cooking, but I'm sure I could arrange something if the opportunity arose. Keith H. (FAA) From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sun Jul 14 17:22:40 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 16:22:40 -0500 Subject: HW: Re: U.S. Tour, VENUES (Dallas) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Jul 1996, Damon C Capehart wrote: > > Allan sez: > > > Perhaps if someone just put together various AAA-like Triptick (sp?) > triptych (I just looked it up), though I don't think it has the meaning > you meant it to: "a set of three panels with pictures, designs, or > carvings..." No, I didn't mean the object d'art, just the AAA service map thingy where they give you the best route b/n two places. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Jul 14 18:28:46 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 17:28:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Silver Machine CD Message-ID: Yesterday I saw both Biz Trip and Silver Machine. I took Biz (and I already had Hillage's Fish Rising in my other hand), so I had to pass on SM, as it didn't really look to be worth the $8.99. Anybody really need this CD? Chuck From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Sun Jul 14 18:20:11 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 17:20:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Rare cd's...Wot???? Message-ID: >Yep - I've been told that this is the band Pendragon (can't remember the >name of the album it's supposed to be) tho' I admit I thought that >Pendragon were a prog rock band. Am I right in thinking that the label >on the CD itself also says Hawkwind? Yes, everything is the same as the correct pressing. I've also got a Motorhead/Valium 10 ep that has the sides reversed. Going off the subject a bit, there are also some versions of Space Ritual with sides 1 & 3 stamped on one disc, and sides 2 & 4 stamped on the other. I used to have one of these until it was 'borrowed' by someone. Star_rats From chriss at MDC.NET Sun Jul 14 15:10:53 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:10:53 +0100 Subject: Vacation and Archives Message-ID: Hello, Vacation time is coming soon, so I'll need to unsubscribe for a while. Where can I find what I'll miss while I'm gone? I've seen mention of a BOC-L Archive but don't know where it's at. Thanks in advance, Chris ****************--------------*******************-------------------************ A lone Starship hurtles across a trackless void A single human spark bulleting beyond the barriers of space and time Yes internet users, it's time to blast off into the incredible with.... FLASH BAZBO! SPACE EXPLORER!!!!!1 ------------***************----------------****************----------------***** From southend at SERV.NET Mon Jul 15 02:19:01 1996 From: southend at SERV.NET (Steve Burton) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 23:19:01 -0700 Subject: HW: Free offer (not HW, sorry)... Message-ID: .And where are all those >secret FBI files on past HW-members?....their right to privacy is being >VIOLATED!!! Hmmmm...maybe there's another Butterworth storyline brewing >here.....'Indictment of the Hawklords' perhaps... > Ha! Right on - best laugh I've had all day! s. From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Mon Jul 15 04:43:30 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:43:30 +0100 Subject: OFF T shirts In-Reply-To: <199607130904.KAA22331@listserv.rl.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:29:36 -0400 > From: Stephen Swann > Subject: T shirts > > Although, that reminds me of a sort of funny story, about the > Tragically Hip. Apparently at a concert a couple of weeks ago, some > fan spent the first half of a concert waving a t-shirt at the band, > probably to show what a big fan he was. Anyway, he eventually pitched > it onto the stage, where Gord Downie, T.Hip's singer, picked it up > and said, "Thanks man! You were driving me crazy with > this thing!" ;-) I went to see Alison Moyet in concert (pleasantly surprised at the backing band who were quite heavy r&r) and purchased a hamburger which I managed to get right down to the front of the crowd and held aloft - she couldn't keep her eyes off it so I had to eat it to put her out of her misery ;) Maxine From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jul 15 07:30:18 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:30:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: U.S. Tour, VENUES (Dallas) In-Reply-To: from "Damon C Capehart" at Jul 14, 96 02:46:19 pm Message-ID: > Also, as I recall someone mentioning on the list during HW's '95 tour, > Dave & the Boyz didn't realize Atlanta was that far south. They thought > it was about 3 or 4 hours from D.C., right? And they were *so* surprised > when someone showed them a map displaying just how far it was. I think they were looking for either Atlanta or Springfield, VA on a map of the Tri-State (NY-NJ-CT) area. So they were several hundred miles out, yeah ... :) The English conception of what a long drive is never ceases to amaze me, even now :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jul 15 07:16:42 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 22:16:42 +1100 Subject: Vacation and Archives Message-ID: On 14 Jul 96 at 20:10, Chris and Ginny Sargent wrote: > Vacation time is coming soon, so I'll need to unsubscribe for a while. > Where can I find what I'll miss while I'm gone? I've seen mention of a > BOC-L Archive but don't know where it's at. It's at http://listserv.spc.edu/archives/boc-l.html Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jul 15 07:16:42 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 22:16:42 +1100 Subject: HW: U.S. Tour, VENUES (Dallas) Message-ID: On 14 Jul 96 at 13:33, Keith A Henderson wrote: > bit north to Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, Toronto, etc. is nothing. Nothing > like being shut out entirely like the south (bar the anomalous gig in Atlanta > last year) or Australia & Japan for that matter. But maybe it *is* time to Well, as long as they are on the east coast in October .... I will no longer care if they never play Oz (well, I probably will still!) Southerner Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 15 13:18:49 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:18:49 BST Subject: Crap Turner CD In-Reply-To: William Stone's message of Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:56:50 -0700 Message-ID: William Stone writes: > You wrote: > > > >There's a crap Turner CD out that's on a par with Festival of the Sun. > I > >didn't buy it but I'd appreciate a track listing for the Discography. > I > >know a couple of folks on this list had copies... > > > > Hawk Fairies - Purple Haze That's the one! > > 1) Masters of the Universe > 2) Space Rock 1999 and Seven Months > 3) Thoth > 4) Brainstorm > 5) Foxy Lady > 6) Purple Haze > 7) D-Rider > 8) Stormbringer Thanks! FoFP From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Jul 15 11:24:30 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:24:30 EST Subject: HW: accessing Calvert page Message-ID: >you're probably using Netscape 1.22 or earlier (or equivalent). >upgrade to 2.0, and then visit the Spirit of the Page... > >\\joe Bingo to that one. I upgraded my Netscape to 2.0, and lo and behold there was the Calvert page! The earlier versions of Netscape cannot see these web pages *at all*, consistently reporting "URL not found". Also had the same problem with the "HW Site Info" at www.hawkwind.com. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObWantToBuy: Electric Orange self-titled CD From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jul 12 04:28:45 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:28:45 +0100 Subject: Latest news on Roswell In-Reply-To: <199607120546.AAA06306@deliverator.io.com> Message-ID: In message <199607120546.AAA06306 at deliverator.io.com>, Hawkwind writes >Apprantly the gig is to be televised to make up for the small venue >arrangements, they say that there is only hotel accomodation in the area for >around 1000 and couldn't put on a 'festival' as such, just a small outdoor gig. Erm, how's the "hotel" situation in Glastonbury, or Phoenix? Lot's of good cheap hotel accommodation near Woodstock, was there? :)) Must have been to cope with half a million festival goers! Hotels? We don't need no steenkin' hotels! I think Stonehenge could've been described as a "small outdoor gig". Shame the authorities didn't see it like that. Correct me if I'm wrong but Roswell's the desert, yes? What's needed for a festival then is water, toilets and permission to gather without the National Guard busting heads. We'll bring the rest. -- Jon Browne From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Mon Jul 15 11:26:02 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:26:02 -0500 Subject: HW: Cover Project: Thank you's Message-ID: Hi all, I've begun getting notes from the contributors stating that they have safely received their copies of the Cover sets, and I just wanted to take the time to thank all the contributors for their help, time, and tapes. Without you we'd've never had this happen. Special thanks to Dave Berry and Chuck Johnson for their duplication, orgnaization, and cover creation efforts; to Paul Mather for posting the covers online; and to gman for beginning the thread that led to the project about a year ago (a year ago...wow). Thanks! Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jul 15 11:53:34 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 11:53:34 -0400 Subject: Latest news on Roswell Message-ID: >Correct me if I'm wrong but Roswell's the desert, yes? What's needed for >a festival then is water, toilets and permission to gather without the >National Guard busting heads. We'll bring the rest. Roswell in the middle of July can be fairly miserable, temps in the 90's would be expected, with bad luck it might be in the 100's. Now that I know the dates, I'd definitely keep to the mountains nearby to camp rather then Roswell itself... Odds are it won't rain, as there isn't much rain in the area, but what there is usually falls at this time of year, during their "monsoon" season... Don't worry, what passes for a monsoon there isn't that much. It would be preferable for any outdoor music activities to be held after dark, when it does cool down considerably (it is, afterall, a decent height above sea level...) Here is the current forecast for Roswell, set a few days after when it would be next year: ROSWELL N90 U60S M90S / (10% chance of rain) That's today high near 90f (32c), tonight low in the upper 60f's (upper teens c), with tommorow in the mid 90's f (about 35c). Right now it's a bit cooler than normal, about as cool as you can expect in the summer. by comparison, Cloudcroft (near where I'll be camping the rest of this week, and maybe next year for this event) is much cooler: CLOUDCROFT U60S U40S N70 hmmmm that's almost too chilly. But right now it's as I said cooler than normal. There are days when Cloudcroft reaches 90, and Roswell gets over 100... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Mon Jul 15 13:02:00 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:02:00 -0500 Subject: other/off: Fish page? Message-ID: Does anyone have the URL for the official Fish (ex-Marillion) pages? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Mon Jul 15 13:26:21 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:26:21 -0400 Subject: other/off: Fish page? In-Reply-To: from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at Jul 15, 96 12:02:00 pm Message-ID: Allan.... > > Does anyone have the URL for the official Fish (ex-Marillion) pages? > Try http://www.livjm.ac.uk/fish/html/general/menu.html Keith H. (FAA) From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Mon Jul 15 13:30:27 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:30:27 -0400 Subject: HW: U.S. Tour, VENUES (Dallas) Message-ID: > Kieth H said: > Yeah, great, is anyone here an expert in GIS?? Well actually that would be me I suppose, > This would make a great > Arc/Info project, Now go and wash your mouth out with soap, Kieth. ArcBlerrgh Indeed ! I'd say a little more about what GIS is except Kieth answered a question of that sort with the followup: >> GIS stands for Geographical Information Systems, which is a computer-based 'science' used most often for city planning, zoning, public utilities, etc. but also for certain natural resource/environmental monitoring. It combines computer-based cartography/geodetics with 'attribute' data (like demographics, population density, land use/land cover) in order to do things like decide where to put a new highway, or build a new shopping mall. My comment about using this to plan out a successful Hawkwind tour was sort of tongue-in-cheek, but I'm sure that it really could be helpful if you knew what specific things to plan for. Like, you could plan a route that would be cheapest based not just on mileage, but also on hotel fees, tolls, gas prices, rental vehicles, border crossings, if you could parameterize each of these things correctly. >>>> Well said, GIS does get used for automated route planning, where an intrinsic part is often network analysis, where here the network is the geographic road network. We could of course apply a separate pass for optimal site selection, and then do a second pass for the optimal route. The tricky part is deciding what parameters you want to use (correspondance with -ahem- vegetation patterns, avoiding hurricanes, good coverage of likely alien encounter areas, easy access to Indian reservations). This is what we GIS system developers call "application work" ;-) ie we give you the tools, you figure out what you want to do with it ! > assuming you could come up with a good algorithm for > determining Hawkwind demographics. I think we could perhaps apply some of the > 'Tap' factors to the general population of the US to determine who might likely > be interested in attending a HW show. > > Keith H. (FAA) > Hmm, average male hair length as correlated to sales of psychedelic music by region that would help. Anybody ? I'd redo my last attempt at an optimal route projection, but I suspect a bias in my algorithm. Last time it seemed to suggest 25 successive nights in Toronto................ Cheers, Steve L. [Unisys GIS Division] From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Jul 15 13:55:51 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 19:55:51 +0200 Subject: HW: Cover Project: Thank you's Message-ID: At 10:26 1996-07-15 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I've begun getting notes from the contributors stating that they have >safely received their copies of the Cover sets, and I just wanted to take >the time to thank all the contributors for their help, time, and tapes. >Without you we'd've never had this happen. > >Special thanks to Dave Berry and Chuck Johnson for their duplication, >orgnaization, and cover creation efforts; to Paul Mather for posting the >covers online; and to gman for beginning the thread that led to the >project about a year ago (a year ago...wow). this is the first item in my cover mailbox - and I'm 99.9% positive this is the reply to the original post. almost 15 months ago... ------------------------------------------------------- Return-Path: Errors-To: ben+boc-bounce at spcvxa.spc.edu Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:45:51 +0200 Resent-From: ben+boc-bounce at spcvxa.spc.edu Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:32:13 -0400 (EDT) From: M Holmes Subject: Re: Suffacox 7" Sender: BOCL at spcvxa.spc.edu To: boc-l at spcvxa.spc.edu Errors-To: ben+boc-bounce at spcvxa.spc.edu Reply-To: boc-l at spcvxa.spc.edu Resent-Message-Id: <01HPR42KTDBM8WYU5H at spcvxa.spc.edu> Organization: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List X-Vms-To: Mailing_list Wertyq2 at aol.com writes: > local philly band Suffacox recently released a great 7", the b-side being > Orgone Accumulator. Want to pick up one for me and I'll try to find a Hawkwind 7" to trade for it? FoFP ------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks! > >Allan. thank you all for the tapes :0) - \\joe From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Jul 15 14:39:40 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:39:40 -0500 Subject: HW: Re: Latest news on Roswell, etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > In message <199607120546.AAA06306 at deliverator.io.com>, Hawkwind > writes > >Apprantly the gig is to be televised to make up for the small venue > >arrangements, they say that there is only hotel accomodation in the > >area for around 1000 and couldn't put on a 'festival' as such, just a > >small outdoor gig. > Erm, how's the "hotel" situation in Glastonbury, or Phoenix? Lot's of > good cheap hotel accommodation near Woodstock, was there? :)) Must have > been to cope with half a million festival goers! Actually, I found two things on my map of New Mexico that would interest 1) us, 2) Star Rats, and 3) the promoters, since Star Rats will certainly inform them of this information [wink wink :) ]. A) On my road map of New Mexico are various symbols, one of which translates to "Camp Area Here". As it turns out, the density of camp areas near Roswell is especially high, with at least 5 to the immediate west of the city, and a few just south. And those are just the campsites that the cartographers bothered to put on there! :) B) Guess where New Mexico is?... Right next to TEXAS!!! :) :) :) If HW manages to perform at the Roswell thing, there'll be NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER for them to skip Texas! Yes! Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Mon Jul 15 14:43:26 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:43:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Cover Project: Thank you's In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960715195742.05473c56@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, Johan Edlundh wrote: > >covers online; and to gman for beginning the thread that led to the > >project about a year ago (a year ago...wow). > > this is the first item in my cover mailbox - and I'm 99.9% positive this is > the reply to the original post. > almost 15 months ago... > > ------------------------------------------------------- > From: M Holmes > Subject: Re: Suffacox 7" > > Wertyq2 at aol.com writes: > > > local philly band Suffacox recently released a great 7", the b-side being > > Orgone Accumulator. > > Want to pick up one for me and I'll try to find a Hawkwind 7" to trade > for it? > > FoFP > ------------------------------------------------------- Ooops. Sorry Mike ;-) Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 15 19:56:14 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 19:56:14 BST Subject: HW: Cover Project: Thank you's In-Reply-To: Allan T Grohe Jr's message of Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:43:26 -0500 Message-ID: Allan T Grohe Jr writes: > On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, Johan Edlundh wrote: > > > >covers online; and to gman for beginning the thread that led to the > > >project about a year ago (a year ago...wow). > > > > this is the first item in my cover mailbox - and I'm 99.9% positive this is > > the reply to the original post. > > almost 15 months ago... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > From: M Holmes > > Subject: Re: Suffacox 7" > > > > Wertyq2 at aol.com writes: > > > > > local philly band Suffacox recently released a great 7", the b-side being > > > Orgone Accumulator. > > > > Want to pick up one for me and I'll try to find a Hawkwind 7" to trade > > for it? > > > > FoFP > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Ooops. Sorry Mike ;-) > > Allan. > Ah - you mean to say it was all Mike Holmes' fault! So where was Steve,,,,? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Mon Jul 15 15:15:24 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:15:24 -0500 Subject: other/off: Moorcock reading in Austin, TX Message-ID: ....on September 7, 1996. Full details on my web page below. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jul 15 15:41:40 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 15:41:40 -0400 Subject: HW: Re: Latest news on Roswell, etc. Message-ID: >On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Jon Browne wrote: >B) Guess where New Mexico is?... Right next to TEXAS!!! :) :) :) If HW >manages to perform at the Roswell thing, there'll be NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER >for them to skip Texas! Yes! You just discovered this? They may be adjacent, but Roswell is farther from Dallas than New York is to Detroit. By the same arguments they'd have to hit Colorado, Arizona, Oklahoma, and that hotbed of space rock, Utah. I've driven it, there's no straight shot through, even. Best bet would be to take I-20 to Pecos, then up along the Pecos river to Roswell on US 285. (yes, Roswell is on the banks (well, just off the banks) of the legendary Pecos river. ) Anyone flying in would best fly into El Paso or Lubbock, and negotiate highways through there. I'd recommend El Paso, as the scenery coming in from El Paso is much better (after the first 2 hours) Or you could try Amarillo, which is a bit farther but has a more direct route than either El Paso or Lubbock. Or you could go via Albuqerque, if you just hafta meat Jean and Manuel, but it would be longer still, though it has a pretty straightforward route. Even so, you're talking several hours driving to get to Roswell, I'd say at least 3 (and that's if you push it). None of these routes involve interstates (except a short hop from Albuqerque).... Overall, that's the main problem for something like this, access. If you plan on going, do just that, plan. Heaven help you if you break down in a foreign car somewhere in this area. I did near Odessa to the southeast aways, in a friend's Volvo. The mechanic's quote. "Valvo. We never seen one of them Valvos before..." +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jul 15 16:25:38 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 16:25:38 -0400 Subject: HW: Re: Latest news on Roswell, etc. Message-ID: >or Lubbock. Or you could go via Albuqerque, if you just hafta meat Jean and > Manuel, but it would be longer still, though it has a pretty >straightforward route. Upon a second check, Albequerque is closer than it was at first glance, it might be the best bet. Definitely better than Lubbock or Amarillo, and it's rather direct route probably makes it closer in practical terms than El Paso. But still, I'd guess 3 hours. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Jul 15 17:32:23 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 17:32:23 -0400 Subject: HW: Cover Project: Thank you's In-Reply-To: <9607151956.aa29888@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Jul 15, 96 07:56:14 pm Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > > Ah - you mean to say it was all Mike Holmes' fault! So where was Steve,,,,? > > jill Hiding! Ever since the Hawkvid conversion fiasco, I've kept my head down whenever anybody mentions the word "project". :-) Steve swann at panix.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jul 15 18:00:21 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 23:00:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Cover Project: Thank you's In-Reply-To: from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at Jul 15, 96 10:26:02 am Message-ID: I just got mine from Dave Berry, btw. And they're lots of fun so far :) But *yikes*! I realised I played on one of the tracks! I'm a guitar on the Das Ludicroix "Ejection". I haven't listened to all the tracks yet, so I hope that one stands up OK! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jul 13 12:58:29 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 17:58:29 +0100 Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? In-Reply-To: <720.14T776T1117@vossnet.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <720.14T776T1117 at vossnet.co.uk>, UNREGISTERED VERSION writes >Reply to SKARSOL about Re: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? >>cjohnson wrote: >>> >>> I've been trying for a couple of weeks, but I am unable to access >>> the Robert Calvert page. I've also tried the link from Sonique's >>> web site, no good.i don't know why you can't get there,i just >>> checked and fine. >>in case you have a wrong url, here it is. >>http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/welcome.htm >>are you adding an l after htm? rj > >I've tried this but I can't access www.thing.de let alone any directory after >that. I get told that this server doesn't exist! I've tried from the boc-l >page and sonique's page with no luck. Is it MY server that is at fault? > >Si > >sihalley at vossnet.co.uk Hi Si! I'm afraid it must be. It works fine for me. Which is odd as most things that can foul up usually do for Demon-ites :( -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 11 04:44:03 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:44:03 +0100 Subject: where am I In-Reply-To: <960711011743_431787839@emout13.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In message <960711011743_431787839 at emout13.mail.aol.com>, Bill Stewart writes > I'm >still on the plane sleeping dreaming of the Brixton gig tommorrow only a >dream only a dream. Or is it................................ > >regards, >Bill 'Hawkwind fried my brain' Stewart Welcome back, Bill! Where've you been, then?:)) -- Jon Browne From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Jul 15 21:01:34 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 18:01:34 PDT Subject: Roswell and New Mexico In-Reply-To: <199607151941.PAA13299@grumpy.magg.net>; from "Andrew A. Apold" at Jul 15, 96 3:41 pm Message-ID: > > >On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > > >B) Guess where New Mexico is?... Right next to TEXAS!!! :) :) :) If HW > >manages to perform at the Roswell thing, there'll be NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER > >for them to skip Texas! Yes! > Well, hell, some of the Olympic ticket sellers think New Mexico is a different _country_ than the US! Is this the new eddicshun system at werk? ;-) And another thing, the old _good_ Tangerine Dream used to take a lot of inspiration from the American deserts (i.e. Mojave Plan). Mebbe an inspirational trip is just what Brock & Co. need (perhaps Dave will find a guitar out there, hidin' under a peyote plant...). > You just discovered this? They may be adjacent, but Roswell is farther from > Dallas than New York is to Detroit. By the same arguments they'd have to > hit Colorado, > Arizona, Oklahoma, and that hotbed of space rock, Utah. I've driven it, there's > no straight shot through, even. Best bet would be to take I-20 to Pecos, then > up along the Pecos river to Roswell on US 285. > Well, there are a number of NooWage musicians that call the American South- West "home". Arizona has a number of 'em and El Paso has a great e-music store (Minette Music). So, it ain't totally bleak. Again, that part of the US might provide for some great inspiration (just as long as Capt. Brock dosen't decide to turn the ship into a NooWage vehicle (shudder....) > (yes, Roswell is on the banks (well, just off the banks) of the > legendary Pecos river. ) > > Anyone flying in would best fly into El Paso or Lubbock, and negotiate > highways through there. I'd recommend El Paso, as the scenery coming > in from El Paso is much better (after the first 2 hours) Or you could try > Amarillo, which is a bit farther but has a more direct route than either El > Paso > or Lubbock. Or you could go via Albuqerque, if you just hafta meat Jean and > Manuel, but it would be longer still, though it has a pretty > straightforward route. > Even so, you're talking several hours driving to get to Roswell, I'd say at > least > 3 (and that's if you push it). None of these routes involve interstates (except > a short hop from Albuqerque).... > > Overall, that's the main problem for something like this, access. If you > plan on > going, do just that, plan. Heaven help you if you break down in a foreign car > somewhere in this area. I did near Odessa to the southeast aways, in a friend's > Volvo. The mechanic's quote. "Valvo. We never seen one of them Valvos > before..." > objGeorgia/Southern content: (To quote Jeff Foxworthy) "If y'all think a Volvo is part of a woman's anatomy, you might be a redneck." (Sorry, ladies, couldn't resist!) > +-------------------------------------------------------+ > Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" > Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused > Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since > Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... > Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Jul 15 22:12:34 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 21:12:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Re: Roswell Update, New Mexico Message-ID: someone said (sorry, I did it *again*... deleted the message before replying to it) : > ... Roswell is still purty far from Dallas and a whole mess of > places... Yeah, well at least they'd actually be getting to *part* of the Southwest. S'there. :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Mon Jul 15 23:24:41 1996 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 23:24:41 -0400 Subject: HW: Cover Project: Thank you's In-Reply-To: <9607151956.aa29888@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Jul 15, 96 07:56:14 pm Message-ID: > > Allan T Grohe Jr writes: > > > On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, Johan Edlundh wrote: > > > > > >covers online; and to gman for beginning the thread that led to the > > > >project about a year ago (a year ago...wow). > > > > > > this is the first item in my cover mailbox - and I'm 99.9% positive this is > > > the reply to the original post. > > > almost 15 months ago... > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > From: M Holmes > > > Subject: Re: Suffacox 7" > > > > > > Wertyq2 at aol.com writes: > > > > > > > local philly band Suffacox recently released a great 7", the b-side being > > > > Orgone Accumulator. > > > > > > Want to pick up one for me and I'll try to find a Hawkwind 7" to trade > > > for it? > > > > > > FoFP > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Ooops. Sorry Mike ;-) > > > > Allan. > > > > Ah - you mean to say it was all Mike Holmes' fault! So where was Steve,,,,? > > jill hey, i remember this--i picked up the suffacox 7" for someone... mike, jill? and was immediately approached by a friendly guy on the street remarking about what a great HW cover the suffacox do (this sort of thing seems to happen almost everytime i buy HW stuff in philly...does this happen to anyone else?) BTW there was a graphic novel that came with 25 Years On-- Ledge of Darkness, third in the trilogy that began wth Time of the Hawklords+Queens of Deleria and i believe their was a jerry cornalius/W strip in New Worlds 215...oop just checked the NW indx, no joy...maybe it was in an issue of Hawkfan? Rise of the Musician assassins (messages running through backbrain suggest new worlds still...well i'll try to look into it further if folks care, or no one else comes up with the info) -dave From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Jul 16 01:30:12 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:30:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Trivia File Addendum Message-ID: On 13-JUL-1996 09:01:47.1 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >hi, >I've done a minor investigation of the cover art to the bootleg >_Assassins of Allah_ >the picture is two arabs on horse, fighting each other with long and >sharp swords; the left horseman has just chopped the right ones leg, >just above the knee - he is holding his own leg over his head, and >looks a bit astonished. Blood is flowing. The scene is macabre, but >it's a clear blue sky, and the summer is fine. (Uriah Heep!) Chuck `[1;33;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Tue Jul 16 01:00:37 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:00:37 -0500 Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: Hi all, I spoke to the promoter in charge of the Roswell event this morning and the news could have been better. The event has been put into the hands of a New York agent that has not heard of Hawkwind and is trying to get 'real superstars' for the gig. I bit my lip and told him something about the band and he seemed interested in putting them on the 'B list' stage. The 'real superstars' he was refering to included Sheryl Crow; can't remember the others. Anyway, we shall have to see what develops here after Doug has talked to them. It seems to me that the agent in question didn't really know that much about what the festival was r eally about and is just interested in getting some easy exposure to other acts on his client list. Let's just hope he really does have an open mind and knows his job!!! Yours, Star-rats From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Jul 16 02:08:14 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 01:08:14 -0500 Subject: Mr.Rats' Roswell Update Message-ID: Well, then I assume you have a way of getting in contact with this guy in New York, Star Rats? Damon Capehart From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Jul 16 04:00:11 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:00:11 +0200 Subject: HW: Trivia File Addendum Message-ID: > >looks a bit astonished. Blood is flowing. The scene is macabre, but > >it's a clear blue sky [outside], and the summer is fine. > >(Uriah Heep!) "...but with tears in my eyes, I'm no longer pretending you're mine" ;0) If there's any Heep fans out there, I just wanna say this: Don't miss the CD:s _Rarities from the Bronze Age_ (collection of Heep 7" singles, with quite interesting b-sides) and _the Lansdowne Tapes_ with pre Heep stuff with "Spice" (Box/Newton/Byron) and embryonic Heep recordings. >Chuck \\joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Jul 16 04:00:12 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:00:12 +0200 Subject: HW: Cover Project: Thank you's Message-ID: >> > ------------------------------------------------------- >> > From: M Holmes >> > Subject: Re: Suffacox 7" >> > >> > Wertyq2 at aol.com writes: >> > >> > > local philly band Suffacox recently released a great 7", the b-side being >> > > Orgone Accumulator. >> > >> > Want to pick up one for me and I'll try to find a Hawkwind 7" to trade >> > for it? >> > >> > FoFP >> > ------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:16:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan T Grohe Jr Subject: HW Covers compilation? Does anyone think it a worthwhile endeavor to try to put together a definitive compilation of HW covers, in 1-2 90 min tapes (while unfamiliar with the number out there, I find it hard to imagine it would take more than that). If so, what would be the best way to go about this--shift the master copies around from person to person with the originals and then get someone to dub the finished set? Ideas/suggestions welcome... Allan. --------------------------------------------------------- I think the one to blame this time is Allan himself; this 6th letter in the thread is the first that talks about a "cover compilation"... we also have to give Wertyq2 at aol.com some credit for bringing up the initial "suffacox" mail to the list. btw - can anyone imagine *another* forum than this internet one, that would end up with 350 minutes of Hawkwind covers??? \\joe From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Jul 16 02:11:47 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 06:11:47 +0000 Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: Hawkwind wrote: > of a New York agent that has not heard of Hawkwind and is trying to get > 'real superstars' for the gig. I bit my lip and told him something about the > band and he seemed interested in putting them on the 'B list' stage. > > The 'real superstars' he was refering to included Sheryl Crow; can't > remember the others. damn,i feel a loss of interest coming on.... rj From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Tue Jul 16 08:29:22 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:29:22 +0100 Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960713152438.1c4f0f6a@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: Reply to Johan Edlundh about Re: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? >nope, >you're probably using Netscape 1.22 or earlier (or equivalent). >upgrade to 2.0, and then visit the Spirit of the Page... >\\joe Can't. I don't use a PC or Mac! Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Tue Jul 16 08:29:25 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:29:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Rare cd's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reply to Jon Browne about Re: HW: Rare cd's >In message <9607121502.aa05267 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge > writes >>Haven't seen Palace Springs on CD for a while now and I would guess that >>Brock's elegantly packaged solo album might become difficult to get hold >>of. >Lucky Lief is bloody impossible to find. Gnash, curse :( >I only bought Palace Springs about six months ago. True, I havn't seen >it since but it was everywhere until _very_ recently. Electric Tepee >though I havn't seen for a while. If you don't have this album, really, >buy the next one you see! >I've never seen a copy of Hawklords Live but I gather it's not difficult >to get in the US. >Were Maximum Effect or Punkadelic ever given a CD release? >-- >Jon Browne As both of you are UK based this could be of help. Virgin Megastore in London (Astoria end of Oxford street) had both tha Calvert album and LOADS of copies of Hawklords live just a couple of months ago(haven't been recently. Also you could try Berwick street(just past Wardour street off Oxford Street) if you're in London. Berwick street has a couple of good shops. The largest(name escapes me) normally have a good range of Hawks and related stuff for reasonable prices. Jon: I'm pretty sure I've seen one if not both these on CD but please don't hold me to it. My memory's not good! It was a while ago. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Tue Jul 16 08:29:30 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:29:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Rare cd's...Wot???? In-Reply-To: <9607142003.aa08380@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Reply to J Strobridge about Re: HW: Rare cd's...Wot???? >Yep - I've been told that this is the band Pendragon (can't remember the >name of the album it's supposed to be) tho' I admit I thought that >Pendragon were a prog rock band. Am I right in thinking that the label >on the CD itself also says Hawkwind? Pendragon are very Prog Rock the last I heard. Like early Marillion. I thought that Pendragon had there own record label. How did they get mixed up with HW. Or am I missing something (probably). Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 16 08:42:03 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:42:03 +0100 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <199607160500.AAA16549@deliverator.io.com> from "Hawkwind" at Jul 16, 96 00:00:37 am Message-ID: > The 'real superstars' he was refering to included Sheryl Crow; can't > remember the others. I remember seeing her on the HORDE tour of all places. She was inoffensive, but not terribly interesting--no wonder she did so well ;) Can't imagine what connection she has to space aliens though. Is the promoter _aware_ of the population demographics involving people interested in this kind of stuff? They lean dangerously into SF fan territory and that's not the same demographic as Sheryl Crow fans ........ Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Jul 16 07:44:15 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 22:44:15 +1100 Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? Message-ID: Reply to Johan Edlundh about Re: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? > > >nope, > >you're probably using Netscape 1.22 or earlier (or equivalent). > >upgrade to 2.0, and then visit the Spirit of the Page... > > >\\joe Hmmm ... MS Internet Explorer 3b2 *was* able to access it, now I just get a 'connect timed out' message. Is this what people are seeing, or are they getting unresolved host names? Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Jul 16 09:13:16 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 09:13:16 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: Carl says: > Can't imagine what connection she [Sheryl Crow] has to space aliens though. Maybe she's had an abduction experience? - Andy From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Tue Jul 16 10:17:46 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:17:46 +0000 Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? Message-ID: I've done a traceroute from Dundee (Scotland) to www.thing.de, the host machine for the calvert page. It looks like there is some trouble with the links to that machine from the outside world. The traceroute took a long time to reach Berlin from the European backbone and failed to get any further. I suggest some one give the Calvert page admin a ring to find out more. Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Tue Jul 16 10:21:14 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:21:14 +0000 Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: Carl says: > > > Can't imagine what connection she [Sheryl Crow] has to space aliens > though. Actually if we all chip in maybe we get Hawkwind over and get them to play for free outside the festival fences. Probably get more media attention that way, especially if we told the media we where useing the sound energies combined with the crytal resonace of the lab coated masses to contact aliens to take us away. Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 16 09:22:47 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:22:47 +0100 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <960716091315_361164106@emout08.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jul 16, 96 09:13:16 am Message-ID: > > Can't imagine what connection she [Sheryl Crow] has to space aliens > though. > > Maybe she's had an abduction experience? If so, note that they sent her back! ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From makila at CSC.FI Tue Jul 16 09:29:25 1996 From: makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:29:25 +0300 Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:17:46 -0000." <31EB967A.35ED@mic.dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: Andy's message dated: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:17:46 -0000 > I've done a traceroute from Dundee (Scotland) to www.thing.de, the > host machine for the calvert page. It looks like there is > some trouble with the links to that machine from the outside > world. The traceroute took a long time to reach Berlin from the > European backbone and failed to get any further. >From traceroute I assume that www.thing.de is just plain down since it stops to a router belonging to thing.de's service provider. Here is the contact info just in case someone likes to phone those people. domain: thing.de descr: Ulf Schleth descr: Elisabethkirchstr. 16 descr: D-10115 Berlin descr: Germany admin-c: US22-RIPE tech-c: HB21 zone-c: HB21 nserver: ns.contrib.com nserver: opus.touch.net nserver: ns.nic.de mnt-by: DE-DOM changed: sabine at nic.de 950718 changed: jens at nic.de 951110 changed: jens at nic.de 960430 source: RIPE person: Ulf Schleth address: Elisabethkirchstr. 16 address: D-10115 Berlin address: Germany phone: +49 172 3004 568 fax-no: +49 30 2515 603 e-mail: ulf at thing.de nic-hdl: US22-RIPE mnt-by: DENIC-P changed: jens at nic.de 950718 changed: jens at nic.de 960503 source: RIPE Just some geeky rambling while waiting for the bus... //niko ObCD: FZ, TBBYNHIYL From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 16 10:24:41 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 09:24:41 EST Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: > Carl says: > > > Can't imagine what connection she [Sheryl Crow] has to space aliens > though. > > Maybe she's had an abduction experience? > > - Andy Must be some explanation for that horrible drivel she puts forth. Maybe traumatized by her experience? theo From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jul 16 09:27:25 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 09:27:25 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: >Hawkwind wrote: > >> of a New York agent that has not heard of Hawkwind and is trying to get >> 'real superstars' for the gig. I bit my lip and told him something about the >> band and he seemed interested in putting them on the 'B list' stage. >> >> The 'real superstars' he was refering to included Sheryl Crow; can't >> remember the others. > >damn,i feel a loss of interest coming on.... rj sheez. These ain't the days we'd get them to play outside the actual gig either... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Jul 16 09:36:09 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:36:09 +0200 Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? Message-ID: >Andy's message dated: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:17:46 -0000 >> I've done a traceroute from Dundee (Scotland) to www.thing.de, the >> host machine for the calvert page. It looks like there is >> some trouble with the links to that machine from the outside >> world. The traceroute took a long time to reach Berlin from the >> European backbone and failed to get any further. > >>From traceroute I assume that www.thing.de is just plain down since it >stops to a router belonging to thing.de's service provider. Here is >the contact info just in case someone likes to phone those people. got no problem at all accessing http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ just at this very moment, using pc & netscape v2.03... > //niko > \\joe From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Jul 16 09:45:45 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 06:45:45 PDT Subject: HW: Pendragon/HW mixup... In-Reply-To: <539.17T749T1923@vossnet.co.uk>; from "UNREGISTERED VERSION" at Jul 16, 96 1:29 pm Message-ID: > > Reply to J Strobridge about Re: HW: Rare cd's...Wot???? > > >Yep - I've been told that this is the band Pendragon (can't remember the > >name of the album it's supposed to be) tho' I admit I thought that > >Pendragon were a prog rock band. Am I right in thinking that the label > >on the CD itself also says Hawkwind? > > Pendragon are very Prog Rock the last I heard. Like early Marillion. > > I thought that Pendragon had there own record label. How did they get mixed up > with HW. Or am I missing something (probably). > > > Si > > > sihalley at vossnet.co.uk > Pendragon _does_ have its' own label in the UK, however, here in the USofA, they are on the Griffin label, along with HW. Pressing plant/printer screw- up! (This kind of screw up happens quite a bit, I have a CD by Present that has what sounds like African/Carribean/something tribal music on it. There was also a very (in)famous incident where a Beatles CD was shipped with someone like Larwence Welks' label printed on it (thiis was way back in the early days of CD's, mid-80's, when there was virtually _no_ Beatles product on the domestic market. At least, this is what I remember...) objCDPlayer: Mark Shreeve / Assassin (I _still_ think he would make an excellent synth/kybds addition to HW! Andy Pickford, too.) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 16 10:33:52 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:33:52 -0400 Subject: BOC: Bloom slashing his palm Message-ID: Anyone out there ever see a BOC show where Eric Bloom would simulate slashing his palm during the show? I've heard reports that he used to do this (during the early 90's I believe, but perhaps in the 80's as well?) during "Unknown Tongue" (while singing the lyric, "then she took her father's razor, and watched it cut into her palm"). I never saw it, and was wondering how the effect looked from the audience. Also, based on a few live tapes I've heard, I think he may have done this during "Seven Screaming Diz-busters", during his monologue about the guy selling himself to the devil to be a rock star ("but there's one catch - you've got to sign your name in blood"). Can anyone confirm this? Don't know why this question comes to mind - I wanted to start a new BOC thread, but why this topic? I dunno - maybe since I'm gonna see KISS in a few weeks, I got visions of Gene Simmons spitting blood on my mind... John From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Tue Jul 16 10:49:05 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (Ross P. Reyes) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:49:05 EDT Subject: BOC: Bloom slashing his palm Message-ID: I saw it as you say, during "Unknown Tongue". I thought it a needless attempt to use a prop there. BOC had many things at that point, like flash pods, various lights, Godzilla, the Harley, mirror ball, on n on.... The little knife with fake blood was a little too much. I always thought the best part of the the shows, as far as props, was Albert using the Godzilla head with the strobes. RR From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Jul 16 10:51:50 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:51:50 +0200 Subject: OFF:Kyuss Message-ID: I've taken a look at a Kyuss page (they split up in late 95 as you know), and apparently has their axe-man Josh Homme formed a new band called Gamma Ray. Even if they just sounds the slightest like Kyuss this is good news (I've always considered him as the main force in Kyuss)... but the name really sucks. Wasn't there a German band consisting of one or two ex-Helloween members a couple of years ago, which used the same name??? I'm getting bad vibes! o:dmjukast som alltid -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Jul 16 07:32:54 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:32:54 +0000 Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > > Can't imagine what connection she [Sheryl Crow] has to space aliens > > though. > > > > Maybe she's had an abduction experience? > > If so, note that they sent her back! ;) that's it! someone is hoping the aliens will return to search for their lost comrades, and will pick her up instead! rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Jul 16 07:34:05 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:34:05 +0000 Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: Andy Cobley wrote: > Actually if we all chip in maybe we get Hawkwind over and get > them to play for free outside the festival fences. Probably get > more media attention that way, especially if we told the media > we where useing the sound energies combined with the crytal > resonace of the lab coated masses to contact aliens to take us away. make it so.... rj From wildcat at PRYSM.NET Tue Jul 16 12:08:27 1996 From: wildcat at PRYSM.NET (Jonathan M Thompson) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:08:27 CDT Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: >Andy Cobley wrote: > >> Actually if we all chip in maybe we get Hawkwind over and get >> them to play for free outside the festival fences. Probably get >> more media attention that way, especially if we told the media >> we where useing the sound energies combined with the crytal >> resonace of the lab coated masses to contact aliens to take us away. > >make it so.... rj > So where do I send the money....for this though they will either have to play a little closer to Shreveport or someone coming through Louisiana will have to pick me up. Jonathan Thompson, SCA: Jonathan MacAilpein wildcat at prysm.net Keeper of the Battletech Mailing List email btech at prysm.net to subscribe "I don't even know how to make oxygen. All I know is that it deals with plants and ends in osis or is it esis." - Lister [Red Dwarf "White Hole"] From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 16 17:32:42 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:32:42 BST Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:22:47 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > Can't imagine what connection she [Sheryl Crow] has to space aliens > > though. > > > > Maybe she's had an abduction experience? > > If so, note that they sent her back! ;) > Yes - but what did They send her back as - And what are They trying to tell us.... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Jul 16 12:33:12 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 12:33:12 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <199607160500.AAA16549@deliverator.io.com> from "Hawkwind" at Jul 16, 96 00:00:37 am Message-ID: Tars_arts writes.... > > Hi all, > I spoke to the promoter in charge of the Roswell event this morning > and the news could have been better. The event has been put into the hands > of a New York agent that has not heard of Hawkwind and is trying to get > 'real superstars' for the gig. I bit my lip and told him something about the > band and he seemed interested in putting them on the 'B list' stage. > > The 'real superstars' he was refering to included Sheryl Crow; can't > remember the others. Hmmm....Michael Bolton perhaps?? Or maybe Gary Glitter?? (Who the hell *is* Sheryl Crow anyway?? I do remember that ripoff hit she had a year ago or so, you know the one that sounded exactly like Stealer's Wheel. And I remember seeing that semi-progressive artist/producer Kevin Gilbert (RIP) had something to do with her. But did she *come* from somewhere, or was she just one of these no-talent 'faces' that some pathetic wanker (ie., agent) decided he could make famous by shrewd marketing and image, a la Alanis Morissette and Mariah Carey.) Now what if Hawkwind recruited Sam Fox back into the band for another one-off (or perhaps I should say, 'two-off') performance. Maybe that'd get this loser's attention. Seriously though, maybe Lemmy could show up...he lives in the LA area now, doesn't he?? I realize that LA isn't much closer to Roswell than I am (in Ohio), but at least he's already on this side of the pond. And some may think him every bit as 'Alien-ish' as Ron Tree, probably more. Hey, and what about Roky Erickson?? Certainly, he'd be appropriate for this gig. Of course, the NYC agents would have never heard of him either. > Anyway, we shall have to see what develops here after Doug has talked to > them. It seems to me that the agent in question didn't really know that much > about what the festival was really about and is just interested in getting > some easy exposure to other acts on his client list. Yeah, we're all behind you, DS!! (We didn't *really* mean all that bad stuff we said about you before). :) > Let's just hope he really does have an open mind and knows his job!!! Assuming this is an improbability at the very least, maybe he'll be abducted by aliens, and replaced with a replica. I saw it happen on Outer Limits - it *can* be done. Keith H. (FAA) PS. Did anyone catch the bit on Roswell on last nights' Letterman?? Manny the Hippie (from San Francisco) was there, and interviewing various people, the Roswell mayor, some folks who *really* believe the alien crash story. One guy said the aliens had no rectums....so Nik Turner was wrong - you don't "Put it in at the front....shit it out at the back" or whatever. From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 16 17:54:56 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:54:56 BST Subject: HW: Hawkfan12 Message-ID: Who was looking for this?? Jo? I see that Wilfried Schusler has one on offer in his catalogue. Contact him at PO Box 7408, 48040 Munster, Germany or Tel/Fax: +49 251 57193 to reserve. Better do it fast - I only got the catalogue today so it might still be around if you are lucky. Price 60DM which is good value I'd say (10SKR = DM 0.20) according to his exchange rate chart or 2.26 DM to the pound. jill Anybody seen Ritual of the Solstice yet? Due out July 8th...... I see Hawkwind are playing at Carnac (Brittany) on August 17th - no shortage of standing stones there! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jul 16 12:56:39 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 12:56:39 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <199607160500.AAA16549@deliverator.io.com> from "Hawkwind" at Jul 16, 96 00:00:37 am Message-ID: Hawkwind writes: > > Hi all, > I spoke to the promoter in charge of the Roswell event this morning > and the news could have been better. The event has been put into the hands > of a New York agent that has not heard of Hawkwind and is trying to get > 'real superstars' for the gig. I bit my lip and told him something about the > band and he seemed interested in putting them on the 'B list' stage. > > The 'real superstars' he was refering to included Sheryl Crow; can't > remember the others. > > Anyway, we shall have to see what develops here after Doug has talked to > them. It seems to me that the agent in question didn't really know that much > about what the festival was r eally about and is just interested in getting > some easy exposure to other acts on his client list. > > Let's just hope he really does have an open mind and knows his job!!! I think the 1st and 2nd paragraphs above pretty much rule out that possibility. Sheryl Crow? Nice pop singer, but that's like having Abba do the sunrise set at the Stonehenge festival. And while being on the second stage may provide them with some exposure, I suspect it would mostly provide them with exposure to a crowd that would snigger up their sleeves at the long-hairs on stage B. I know this might sound bloody looney, but what getting in contact with the Horde tour? Sharing the expenses with other (US-based) acts would sure make the financial burden lighter, and Hawkwind is actually a known entity among some of the alternative crowd. When Mark Arm of Mudhoney was asked by Guitar Player magazine to pick his top 10 albums, he picked Doremi as # 3 or 4. Steve swann at panix.com From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Jul 16 12:55:06 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:55:06 +0100 Subject: BOC: Bloom slashing his palm In-Reply-To: <199607161433.KAA09999@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > Anyone out there ever see a BOC show where Eric Bloom would simulate slashing his > palm during the show? I've heard reports that he used to do this (during the early > 90's I believe, but perhaps in the 80's as well?) during "Unknown Tongue" (while > singing the lyric, "then she took her father's razor, and watched it cut into her > palm"). I never saw it, and was wondering how the effect looked from the audience. Here is a para from my review of Albert's last gig, Dunstable Civic Hall, August 1981: "The pluses: Buck's amazing E-bow feedback noise on HEAVY METAL BLACK AND SILVER; Albert hammering the snaredrum stand into something like a CB aerial in a crosswind for a shattering version of Michael Moorcock's answer to 'Apocalypse Now', VETERAN OF THE PSYCHIC WARS; and of course Eric Bloom holding the act in one piece, moving round the stage like a prowling vampire as he slashed blood from his palm in UNKNOWN TONGUE". It looked good to me, but I can't see it going over in an astrodome! Only seen him do this stunt once, though. Do you remember how in pre-laser days he used to explode firecrackers from his fingertips during "Flaming Telepaths"? - Mike Godwin From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Jul 16 13:47:25 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:47:25 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <199607161656.MAA18097@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jul 16, 96 12:56:39 pm Message-ID: Steve S. suggests total looniness with.... > > I know this might sound bloody looney, but what getting in contact > with the Horde tour? Sharing the expenses with other (US-based) acts > would sure make the financial burden lighter, and Hawkwind is actually > a known entity among some of the alternative crowd. When Mark Arm > of Mudhoney was asked by Guitar Player magazine to pick his top 10 > albums, he picked Doremi as # 3 or 4. I think that *certainly* would be totally impossible, at least on the main stage. (They *do* have a second stage thing, don't they?). Here in Columbus, the four 'headlining' artists were Natalie Merchant, Lenny Kravitz, Rusted Root, and Blues Traveller. All four of those artists are an order of magnitude (or more) well-known here in the states. And they sell discs in the millions rather than thousands. Hawkwind wouldn't stand a chance of even getting a consideration. But then, I wouldn't want them to either. I hate those damn mega-corporate outdoor theatres. They're a ripoff, and they usually book the same old re-tread crap every summer....like Jimmy Buffet and all. I actually don't mind any of the four artists from this year's event, in fact I've already seen two of them elsewhere (well, Rusted Root opened for Page/Plant), but I never even for a moment considered going all of five miles to see this show the other day. (Now, if Natalie Merchant's solo material didn't suck so bad, I may have actually had a tough decision to make.) But HW doesn't belong on this sort of stage - it'd be entirely foreign to them, and I don't think they'd enjoy it, esp. since they'd realize how few people in the audience even knew who they were. After playing 25 years, I think it'd be more enjoyable to play to fewer fans who knew your music and history than to play to lots of people who couldn't care less. That's for bands who are young, and are trying to reach new audiences. Maybe *we* see the potential of young alternative and techno fans crossing over to Hawkwind music, but I'm not so sure Dave and the boys are going to cater to that at their age. Maybe they'd like their marketing people to do that for them to sell more albums in the stores, but on tour, I think that's a different matter. Keith H. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 16 13:56:32 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 18:56:32 +0100 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <199607161747.NAA27093@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at Jul 16, 96 01:47:25 pm Message-ID: > Maybe *we* see the potential of young alternative and techno > fans crossing over to Hawkwind music, but I'm not so sure Dave and the boys are > going to cater to that at their age. They seem to be catering all too _much_ to the techno/dance people! Get that blimmin' guitar back out front Dave! :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 16 14:02:36 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:02:36 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > Can't imagine what connection she [Sheryl Crow] has to space aliens > > though. > > > > Maybe she's had an abduction experience? > > If so, note that they sent her back! ;) > Maybe not. Maybe they abducted someone else, and left her in exchange! ;-) John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 16 14:24:36 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:24:36 EST Subject: BOC: Bloom slashing his palm Message-ID: > Here is a para from my review of Albert's last gig, Dunstable Civic Hall, > August 1981: > > "The pluses: Buck's amazing E-bow feedback noise on HEAVY METAL BLACK AND > SILVER; Albert hammering the snaredrum stand into something like a CB > aerial in a crosswind for a shattering version of Michael Moorcock's > answer to 'Apocalypse Now', VETERAN OF THE PSYCHIC WARS; and of course > Eric Bloom holding the act in one piece, moving round the stage like a > prowling vampire as he slashed blood from his palm in UNKNOWN TONGUE". > > It looked good to me, but I can't see it going over in an astrodome! Only > seen him do this stunt once, though. > > Do you remember how in pre-laser days he used to explode firecrackers from > his fingertips during "Flaming Telepaths"? > > - Mike Godwin Wow, we're getting back to Cretaceous times here, but yes, vividly. I also seem to remember EB shooting something like a bottle rocket out of his hand toward the rafters. And of course, bouncing the drumsticks off the floor and catching them and smashing the cymbals during CoFWRaR or alternately whipping them with chains during the same song. Hey, in the 'Goldmine' story they admitted that a turning point in their career was an early tour with Alice Cooper. Probably saw how his theatrics went over, and adapted the theme for themselves. Personally, my favorite f/x was during the laser days when they had a matrix that made the stage look engulfed in flames during TCtLDoM. theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 16 14:06:23 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 19:06:23 +0100 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <199607161656.MAA18097@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jul 16, 96 12:56:39 pm Message-ID: > Sheryl Crow? Nice pop singer, but that's like having Abba do the > sunrise set at the Stonehenge festival. > > I know this might sound bloody looney, but what getting in contact > with the Horde tour? It sounds especially looney seeing as Sheryl Crow was a featured attraction on the the HORDE tour a couple of years ago! Scott Heller and I saw her band come on before the Allmans (great band, but an odd choice for HORDE, I thought). Really, HORDE has been going downhill since the _great_ first year they had it: ARU, Widespread Panic, Spin Doctors (before they were "cool" ;), Blues Traveller, and Phish :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Jul 16 16:19:34 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:19:34 EST Subject: HW: Hawkfan12 Message-ID: Speaking of Hawkfan 12, you might recall that there are two different versions of this item: LP and cassette. The 12" vinyl included the early HW song "Countdown" (now on the BBC One CD I think), which Brian Tawn had licensed from the BBC for inclusion on exactly 500 LPs (or something like that). When the LPs sold so well that Brian decided to re-issue them on cassette, he realized that his BBC agreement did not extend to cassettes. Therefore, rather than risk the ire of the BBC, he replaced "Countdown" with some other short electronic noodling. If I remember correctly, this new selection was also named "Hawkfan 12". Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com (owner of a Brian Tawn cassette of Hawkfan 12) ObCool: DarXtar "Position Unknown/Visions of Beyond Recall" from the HW Covers tape II. From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jul 16 15:47:09 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:47:09 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: >>Andy Cobley wrote: where do I send the money....for this though they will either have to >play a little closer to Shreveport or someone coming through Louisiana will >have to pick me up. I'm driving through Louisana on the way to New Mexico in about 24 hours, but you'd have to wait about a year.... I drive out there every year about this time, if this thing happens I'd go earlier so this might actually be possible... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Jul 16 16:07:09 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 22:07:09 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawkfan12 Message-ID: At 17.54 1996-07-16 BST, you wrote: >Who was looking for this?? Jo? > >I see that Wilfried Schusler has one on offer in his catalogue. >Contact him at PO Box 7408, 48040 Munster, Germany or Tel/Fax: +49 251 >57193 to reserve. > >Better do it fast - I only got the catalogue today so it might still be >around if you are lucky. Price 60DM which is good value I'd say >(10SKR = DM 0.20) according to his exchange rate chart or 2.26 DM to the >pound. called this gentleman just 20 seconds after I received your mail, but the Hawkfan 12 was already gone... :0( However, he will send me a catalouge - and it seemed to be a few goodies we could trade between each other. >jill thanks for the tip - \\joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Jul 16 16:07:11 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 22:07:11 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawkfan12 Message-ID: > When the LPs sold so well that Brian decided to re-issue them on > cassette, he realized that his BBC agreement did not extend to > cassettes. Therefore, rather than risk the ire of the BBC, he > replaced "Countdown" with some other short electronic noodling. > If I remember correctly, this new selection was also named > "Hawkfan 12". correct. add Brian's voice (?) "Welcome to the Hawkfan 12" to the noodling. > Captain Cloud > cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com > (owner of a Brian Tawn cassette of Hawkfan 12) > > ObCool: DarXtar "Position Unknown/Visions of Beyond Recall" from > the HW Covers tape II. :0) - listen to the vol 1 right now, lots of good stuff... From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Jul 16 17:12:35 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:12:35 -0500 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > Hawkwind wrote: > > The 'real superstars' he was refering to included Sheryl Crow; can't > > remember the others. > Can't imagine what connection she has to space aliens though. > Is the promoter _aware_ of the population demographics involving > people interested in this kind of stuff? They lean dangerously into > SF fan territory and that's not the same demographic as Sheryl Crow > fans ........ If neither StarRats nor Shmiffdude make it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR in their most emphatic voices, i.e. "Don't you realize that the people who are interested in a Roswell festival DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT SHERYL CROW???", then I'll *definitely* have a bone to pick concerning HW management. Otherwise, I sincerely hope you guys can get through to him and - more importantly - his superiors. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Jul 16 13:30:02 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:30:02 +0000 Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > And while being on the second stage may provide them with some exposure, > I suspect it would mostly provide them with exposure to a crowd that > would snigger up their sleeves at the long-hairs on stage B. i agree,there.i think hw's performing along side this sort of crowd would do them more harm than good. they are liable to take a lot of abuse,in which case i fear i would have to kill everyone present.and really,i'm trying to ease off that sort of thing. r(rabid)j From jguizar at EPIX.NET Tue Jul 16 17:35:42 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:35:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Rare cd's...Wot???? In-Reply-To: <199607142220.RAA10454@deliverator.io.com> Message-ID: In <199607142220.RAA10454 at deliverator.io.com>, on 07/14/96 at 05:20 PM, Hawkwind said: >Yes, everything is the same as the correct pressing. I've also got a >Motorhead/Valium 10 ep that has the sides reversed. Going off the subject >a bit, there are also some versions of Space Ritual with sides 1 & 3 >stamped on one disc, and sides 2 & 4 stamped on the other. I used to have >one of these until it was 'borrowed' by someone. I bought my copy - off someone on a street corner......... :) Jerry obCD: Melting Euphoria _Thru The Strands of Time_ -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Tue Jul 16 17:52:19 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:52:19 -0400 Subject: HW: U.S. Tour, VENUES (Dallas) In-Reply-To: <199607141733.NAA29347@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In <199607141733.NAA29347 at beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, on 07/14/96 at 01:33 PM, Keith A Henderson said: >> Perhaps if someone just put together various AAA-like Triptick >> (sp?) routes for them, or we actually collaborated on a convenient route >> (that would get the band to each of our respective backyards, of course) >> the band might be able to hit less standard stops more easily??? >Yeah, great, is anyone here an expert in GIS?? This would make a great >Arc/Info project, assuming you could come up with a good algorithm for >determining Hawkwind demographics. I think we could perhaps apply some >of the 'Tap' factors to the general population of the US to determine who >might likely be interested in attending a HW show. Isn't there a computer program out that'll map out routes and print them out for you? I know I saw a TV story about a minvan that drove itself (I think using GIS data). It travelled one or two thousand miles - tho it only went 45MPH or so and stuck mainly to Interstate type roads (I think it had a problem with the way some offramps were designed). Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jul 16 18:01:00 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 18:01:00 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > Sheryl Crow? Nice pop singer, but that's like having Abba do the > > sunrise set at the Stonehenge festival. > > > > I know this might sound bloody looney, but what getting in contact > > with the Horde tour? > > It sounds especially looney seeing as Sheryl Crow was a featured > attraction on the the HORDE tour a couple of years ago! Scott Heller > and I saw her band come on before the Allmans (great band, but an odd > choice for HORDE, I thought). > > Really, HORDE has been going downhill since the _great_ first > year they had it: ARU, Widespread Panic, Spin Doctors (before they were > "cool" ;), Blues Traveller, and Phish :) Ick. I guess I'm more behind on the current alternative scene than I guessed. Not being able to pick up any decent college radio stations will do that to you. I thought the HORDE tour (as of more than a year ago, I guess) sounded much more appealing than the (same time period) decaying corporate sponsored "Lollapaloser" event. Steve swann at panix.com From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Jul 16 17:54:00 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:54:00 +1100 Subject: darXtar - a review Message-ID: darXtar recently sent me a copy of the master recording of the Joenkoeping gig with Nik Turner from December of last year. With any luck, this will be made into a Live CD before the end of the year. Here then is my pre-review of the (possible) Live CD. Band: darXtar/Nik Turner Title: Working name: "HawXtaR Label: ? Recorded: December 16th, 1995 live in Joenkoeping, Sweden 1st Release: ? Artists: K Soeren Bengtsson - vocals, guitar, fx Patric Danielsson - drums, percussion Marcus Pehrsson - bass, vocals Fredric Sundquist - violin Bjoern Jacobson - guitar, vocals Soeren Martensson - hammond, keyboards Special Guests: Kenneth Magnusson ("The Moor") - Mellotron, synths Nik Turner (ex-Hawkwind) - vocals, sax, flute darXtar side ------------ Eerie electronic & mechanical noises in the background accompany the unearthly spoken introduction the live rendition of '7', as performed by darXtar in Joenkoeping Sweden last December. This is somehow darker and deeper than the studio version on this years great mini album "SJU", but lacks none of the power. The mellotron and hammond which are so pleasantly dominant on the LP are still there, but tamed down just a fraction in the mix, allowing the other instruments to come through a little more. The middle section with it's brilliant guitar playing is also somewhat different - slightly less progressive more spacey or psychedelic. This is a great track, both in the studio and on stage, and I'm sure that the audience at the gig would have been pleased with it! 'Obstakel' is true to form, with it's driving organ sounds, but with the addition of more Hawkwind-ish electronic warbling, and a slightly extended jam at the end as the new track 'Breath Messages' begins. This track has a distinctly eastern feel to my ears, accentuated by Fredric's exquisite violin, and lyrics which are sung with feeling by Marcus Marcurius. HawXtaR side ------------ Enter Nik Turner for the first "HawXtaR" track - the infamous 'Sonic Attack'. There's only so much you can do with it, and this rendition is up there with the best of them. Not quite "Space Ritual", but has there ever been one to equal it since? The backing noises and effects have just the right mix of other-worldly "spaceiness", and I particularly like the addition of the faint strains of a distant church choir way in the background. Nik's presentation of the lyrics are a vast improvement over some recent attempts that I've heard. Naturally, 'Brainstorm' follows - a thumping tribute to the original Hawkwind classic (dare I say more true than what the Hawks themselves have done in quite a while?) Dominated, as it should be, by Bass and Drums, with bursts of manic sax and spacey sounds. You have no idea how much I wish I was there to enjoy it! I have to admit a slight personal dislike to Nik's recent vocal style .... it seemed to work much better in 1972 than it does today. I'd say that "HawXtaR" would need a breather about now - and 'Kadu Flyer' fits the bill nicely. I'm constantly (but pleasantly) surprised by it's inclusion in many recent recordings of Nik live, and it is definitely a worthy track. That feeling of soaring through the Alps (portrayed so well on "Astounding") has been captured live effectively here. Turner's strong rendition of Moorcock's 'The Great Sun Jester' serves as an interlude in true Hawkwind fashion (ala "Space Ritual" and "Warrior ..."), complete with similar strange backing noises. The recording closes with (once again surprisingly) a fine rendition of 'Children of the Sun'. I think that, should it be released as a live CD, this will sit quite nicely between my copy of Nik's "Space Ritual 94" and darX's "Daybreak". I wouldn't call it earth shattering, but it is up there with some of the better recent live recordings in this genre. The audio quality is unfortunately not as good as the band had hoped for, but it is still quite acceptable. My one complaint is that I know that there were more tracks played at the gig that didn't make it to this recording ... but that's life I suppose. Sonique From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 17 01:32:10 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 01:32:10 BST Subject: OFF: autotours was HW: U.S. Tour, VENUES (Dallas) In-Reply-To: Jerry Guizar's message of Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:52:19 -0400 Message-ID: Jerry Guizar writes: > Isn't there a computer program out that'll map out routes and print > them out for you? There was a good one in this country that was going round for a while - it's only problem was when you overloaded it with too many variables it eventually declared that there "are no routes available". It was probably, on reflection, designed by British Rail. > I know I saw a TV story about a minvan that drove itself > (I think using GIS data). It travelled one or two thousand miles - > tho it only went 45MPH or so and stuck mainly to Interstate type roads (I > think it had a problem with the way some offramps were designed). Yeah - I think that's right - apparently the sotware included so many different possibilities in the programme that no-one could be absolutely sure exactly what the van was using to base its judgements on and if, by chance, it happened to be using the line of a crash-barrier to determine its position and the barrier suddenly stopped at an offramp then it simply forgot where it was! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Jul 16 21:15:42 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 18:15:42 PDT Subject: darXtar - a review In-Reply-To: <199607170003.KAA03913@burwood.pcmicro.com.au>; from "Paul G Ward" at Jul 17, 96 8:54 am Message-ID: Review trimmed... This sounds like a real winner! Hope it sees ths light of day (mebbe Cleopatra could be the US label for darXtar??? > > darXtar recently sent me a copy of the master recording of the > Joenkoeping gig with Nik Turner from December of last year. With any > luck, this will be made into a Live CD before the end of the year. > Here then is my pre-review of the (possible) Live CD. > > Band: darXtar/Nik Turner > Title: Working name: "HawXtaR -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Tue Jul 16 20:10:21 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 20:10:21 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Jul 16, 96 07:06:23 pm Message-ID: Carl says-- > It sounds especially looney seeing as Sheryl Crow was a featured > attraction on the the HORDE tour a couple of years ago! Scott Heller > and I saw her band come on before the Allmans (great band, but an odd > choice for HORDE, I thought). King Crimson is currently doing the HORDE thing, which I thought was a bit weird. But while this may increase the ranks of KC fans, I doubt that it would do the same for Hawkwind (IMHO, it just ain't the right crowd). Let's face it--much as we love 'em, Hawkwind is an aquired taste! :-) I hope the Roswell concert turns out well (though it doesn't look promising). It's a pity that promoters can't get past the MTV thing, and realize that there really are people who like original and challenging music, and are a bit underwhelmed by "artists" like Sheryl Crow. Guido obCDplayer--Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx by The League of Gentlemen -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Jul 16 21:35:45 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 21:35:45 -0400 Subject: HW: some discs for sale In-Reply-To: <199607161656.MAA18097@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jul 16, 96 12:56:39 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks... I just saw a posting from a guy named Robert Pearson on r.m.p. about some HW tapes and CD's he has for sale. His e-mail address is... telical at eskimo.com (hope that's right) Here they is.... Tapes Hawkwind: Space Bandits $4 (I think) Hawkwind: Palace Springs $4 ( " ) CD's These are all less than two months old and postage paid except if noted: Hawkwind: Electric Tepee $8 Hawkwind: Chronicles of the Black Sword $8 Hawkwind: In Search of Space $8 Hawkwind: Hall of the Mountain Grill $8 Hawkwind: Warriors on the Edge of Time Older than 2 months $7 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Presumbably, the ISoS and HotMG are the One Way releases. But some of the other items might interest some people on the list here... Keith H. (FAA) From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Tue Jul 16 22:34:03 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 22:34:03 -0400 Subject: BOC: Bloom slashing his palm Message-ID: At 01:24 PM 7/16/96 EST, you wrote: >> Here is a para from my review of Albert's last gig, Dunstable Civic Hall, >> August 1981: >> >> "The pluses: Buck's amazing E-bow feedback noise on HEAVY METAL BLACK AND >> SILVER; Albert hammering the snaredrum stand into something like a CB >> aerial in a crosswind for a shattering version of Michael Moorcock's >> answer to 'Apocalypse Now', VETERAN OF THE PSYCHIC WARS; and of course >> Eric Bloom holding the act in one piece, moving round the stage like a >> prowling vampire as he slashed blood from his palm in UNKNOWN TONGUE". >> >> It looked good to me, but I can't see it going over in an astrodome! Only >> seen him do this stunt once, though. >> >> Do you remember how in pre-laser days he used to explode firecrackers from >> his fingertips during "Flaming Telepaths"? >> >> - Mike Godwin >Wow, we're getting back to Cretaceous times here, but yes, vividly. >I also seem to remember EB shooting something like a bottle rocket >out of his hand toward the rafters. And of course, bouncing the >drumsticks off the floor and catching them and smashing the cymbals >during CoFWRaR or alternately whipping them with chains during the >same song. Hey, in the 'Goldmine' story they admitted that a turning >point in their career was an early tour with Alice Cooper. Probably >saw how his theatrics went over, and adapted the theme for >themselves. Personally, my favorite f/x was during the laser days >when they had a matrix that made the stage look engulfed in flames >during TCtLDoM. >theo > I have a photograph from a magazine article with Eric holding the knife. The caption read "With this blade, I thee cut." Shawn From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jul 16 22:39:31 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 22:39:31 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <9607170010.AA18448@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> from "Guido Vacano" at Jul 16, 96 08:10:21 pm Message-ID: Guido Vacano writes: > > I hope the Roswell concert turns out well (though it doesn't look > promising). It's a pity that promoters can't get past the MTV thing, and > realize that there really are people who like original and challenging > music, and are a bit underwhelmed by "artists" like Sheryl Crow. Yeah, I think they know it well enough. Most of them just don't care. Why make $10,000 when you can make $100,000? It's a business, and unfortunately, we're merely what's known as a vocal minority. But, oh hell, I can't get THAT cynical about it - I feel unbelievably fortunate in some ways. I never in my *wildest* dreams imagined that practically every Hawkwind album worth noting would someday be available on CD, and that the first several would be brilliantly remastered. Never. It's like, that's the kind of thing that we used to make jokes about when BOC-L first started. We all laughed about it. Who thought it would happen? Steve swann at panix.com From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Tue Jul 16 22:21:18 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 21:21:18 -0500 Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: >If neither StarRats nor Shmiffdude make it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR in their most >emphatic voices, i.e. "Don't you realize that the people who are >interested in a Roswell festival DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT SHERYL CROW???", >then I'll *definitely* have a bone to pick concerning HW management. Just thought I'd reply to this one. I am as suprised as anyone that the promoter is looking for people like Sheryl Crow, and the mere fact that they are indicates to me that they don't really know the background of the festival. As I said before, they realise that it is a good way of drawing media attention to anyone playing here. At the moment, we are just glad that the promoter acutally gave me the time of day and was open minded enough to accept a promotion pack. Please bear in mind that he didn't know who Hawkwind was, and gave me a total of 30 seconds to explain my business with his company!! There is only a certain amount we can do our end and as the old saying goes, you can lead a student to water but you can't make him wash:) Star-rats PS: The release date of Solstice has been put back until next Monday. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Jul 16 22:44:59 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 22:44:59 -0400 Subject: OFF: autotours was HW: U.S. Tour, VENUES (Dallas) In-Reply-To: <9607170132.aa01766@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Jill writes: > Jerry Guizar writes: > > > > Isn't there a computer program out that'll map out routes and print > > them out for you? > > There was a good one in this country that was going round for a while - > it's only problem was when you overloaded it with too many variables it > eventually declared that there "are no routes available". It was > probably, on reflection, designed by British Rail. Actually, don't laugh, but British Rail put out a free PC version of their timetable planning software (or used to, circa 1994, which was the last time I had access to a copy). It was really handy on two counts: 1) it saved you having to buy a copy of their yearly complete timetable; 2) it allowed you to plan efficient rail journeys at your leisure (instead of having to queue up to get some BR person to plan a multi-change journey for you). It was pretty nifty, and free to boot! (Do they still offer it?) As for road trips, there are at least two WWW-accessible road journey planning pages. Both are for demonstrating CD-ROM route-planning software. One is by Microsoft, the other by DeLorme (AAA Map 'n' Go). I don't have the URL's offhand, but I could probably dredge them out of my bookmarks. Of the two demos, the DeLorme is by far the better: it offers a choice of route criteria (shortest or quickest), and can produce "strip maps" of the route travelled. Also, as far as I know, the WWW demo is not restricted like the Microsoft one. The Microsoft demo is limited to 6,500 popular cities, unlike the CD-ROM which knows 150,000 or so. The Microsoft WWW demo also seems to run as slow as molasses if you run it from their page. I recently used both of these to plan a trip from Blacksburg, VA to Gettysburg, PA. Both planned efficient routes (sticking mostly to I-81, as you'd expect). The strip maps provided by the DeLorme program were most useful. Btw, the DeLorme software is endorsed by the AAA (as its name suggests). (For all I know, maybe they use it for their "tripticks?") Btw, I found both of these via an Altavista search for "route planning" or something similar. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _New River Head_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Jul 16 23:15:38 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 23:15:38 -0400 Subject: was Roswell In-Reply-To: <199607170239.WAA28919@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jul 16, 96 10:39:31 pm Message-ID: Steve Swann sayz... > > Yeah, I think they know it well enough. Most of them just don't care. > Why make $10,000 when you can make $100,000? It's a business, and > unfortunately, we're merely what's known as a vocal minority. > > But, oh hell, I can't get THAT cynical about it - I feel unbelievably > fortunate in some ways. I never in my *wildest* dreams imagined that > practically every Hawkwind album worth noting would someday be > available on CD, and that the first several would be brilliantly > remastered. Never. It's like, that's the kind of thing that we used > to make jokes about when BOC-L first started. We all laughed about > it. Who thought it would happen? Not me. HW has been my favourite group from 1980 - present, and I was kind of a 'tweener'. Those in the UK won't understand I don't think, but HW following the disasterous NA tour of 1978 (?) when House left, Calvert was off the wall, and Brock said 'the hell with it', and sold his guitar (in Chicago?), they completely neglected No. America for the next 9 years. And unlike the 'old' folks like Bill S. (sorry, man) who was fortunate enough to be around when they did tours here in the mid-70's, I was just a little pipsqueak listening to my brother's Deep Purple and Uriah Heep albums. Maybe only a small part of the 80's neglect was because the band had bad vibes about this place...most of it was probably financial (as it is now) & lack of any label interest here. So sometime around 1986 when they were doing semi-extravagent things in the UK like the Black Sword tour, US folks like me were thinking, we'll *never* see this band in the US. But then, the miracle of Xenon Codex showing up on GWR happened, and I even began to see (once or twice) an actual album or maybe even one of those plastic dividers with 'Hawkwind' on it in one of the 'cooler' stores!! And then Griffin was a God(win)send!! But the final straw was the day I opened the Cleveland Scene magazine and saw Hawkwind in big letters under the 'upcoming shows' at the Phantasy Theatre. I nearly fainted in the store. Of course, it was postponed four months (or so), but eventually it *did* happen, and I'll never *really* complain again. (Especially because of the three subsequent tours). Keith H. (FAA) PS. I'm *still* not getting over the retirement of Kirby Puckett though. :( This has me similarly stunned. (Another thing our UK friends won't understand.) From dahl at MAIL.AROS.NET Tue Jul 16 23:25:21 1996 From: dahl at MAIL.AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 21:25:21 -0600 Subject: BOC: palm slashing Message-ID: John, I saw a show where Eric slashed his palm and it was during Diz-busters. I'm not sure which tour it was, but I think it may have been the Fire of Unknown Origin tour. From the audience it looked like blood, Penn and Teller type stuff. It was the only time I've seen them perform that song (one of my favorites). I think it's about time they add it back into the set list. Actually, it's about time they add alot of new songs to the set list! Brad Dahl From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jul 17 02:23:36 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 01:23:36 -0500 Subject: HW: Re: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <199607170221.VAA26984@deliverator.io.com> Message-ID: Hey... I think we ought to be able to do something about this as individuals on the list, guys! (guys in the gender-neutral sense) If someone would post that address and phone number for the people setting this Roswell thing up, I'm sure some of us (I, certainly) could get in touch with them as Americans who 1) know what the heck this Roswell thing is about, and 2) know of a few bands (wink, nudge) who would be *perfect* to headline the gig! Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers P.S.: Did *anyone* happen to catch (preferably tape!) tonight's (Tuesday July 16) Nightline on the U.S. obsession with U.F.O.s, aliens, etc.? I was at a concert and forgot to set the timer. P.P.S.: FWIW, it was a Tellus concert. Tellus are three of my friends who recently came out with their first CD, and it's really good, if you like their kind of stuff (reminiscent of Galactic Cowboys, Rush, King's X, etc.). Their webpage is http://www.onramp.net/tellus From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jul 17 03:19:13 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 18:19:13 +1100 Subject: darXtar - a review Message-ID: On 16 Jul 96 at 18:15, Craig Shipley wrote: > Review trimmed... > > This sounds like a real winner! Hope it sees ths light of day (mebbe > Cleopatra could be the US label for darXtar??? I know that they have spoken to Cleopatra in the past .... I'm not usre about for this one though. Cleo are (according to Soeren) more into ambient stuff at the moment. Don't worry - if it happens I'll let everyone know Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jul 17 03:29:40 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 18:29:40 +1100 Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? Message-ID: On 16 Jul 96 at 14:17, Andy Cobley wrote: > I've done a traceroute from Dundee (Scotland) to www.thing.de, the > host machine for the calvert page. It looks like there is > some trouble with the links to that machine from the outside > world. The traceroute took a long time to reach Berlin from the > European backbone and failed to get any further. > > I suggest some one give the Calvert page admin a ring to > find out more. I forwarded this message on to Knut (creator of the page) to pass to the administrator. Incidentally, I couldn't get to it last nigh, but could this morning. Curioser and Curioser. Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Jul 17 09:44:42 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:44:42 BST Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:36:09 +0200 Message-ID: > got no problem at all accessing > http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ I get the message: The requested URL /projekte/future/ was not found on this server. This is using Mosaic 2.4. Dave. From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Wed Jul 17 05:32:28 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:32:28 +0100 Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: Keith A Henderson wrote: > I think that *certainly* would be totally impossible, at least on the main > stage. (They *do* have a second stage thing, don't they?). Here in Columbus, > the four 'headlining' artists were Natalie Merchant, Lenny Kravitz, Rusted > Root, and Blues Traveller. All four of those artists are an order of magnitude > (or more) well-known here in the states. And they sell discs in the millions > rather than thousands. I think I'm now starting to understand the problems promoters have.... I've heard Lenny Kravitz and I've heard OF Blues Traveller, might even have heard 'em but if so I can't remember! Now who da fuck are Rusted Root and Natalie Merchant? I guess this HORDE thing people are talking about plays to a student/hippy crowd right? Just the sort of freaks that in the UK like HW? So if these people sell in their millions they're pretty bland and mainstream right? I can't see HW appealing to 'em. And I can't see HW appealing to a Sheryl Crow type crowd at Roswell either. The only answer is to stage a truly *alternative* Roswell festival with other non-mainstream acts...... > outdoor theatres. They're a ripoff, and they usually book the same old > re-tread crap every summer....like Jimmy Buffet and all. What is a Jimmy buffet? I know what a finger buffet is (vol au vents etc), and *jimmy* is sometimes slang for a piss ... so I'm almost afraid to put 2 and 2 together here :-) Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Wed Jul 17 05:42:19 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:42:19 +0100 Subject: HW: U.S. Tour, VENUES (Dallas) Message-ID: Jerry wrote: > them out for you? I know I saw a TV story about a minvan that drove itself > (I think using GIS data). It travelled one or two thousand miles - > tho it only went 45MPH or so and stuck mainly to Interstate type roads (I > think it had a problem with the way some offramps were designed). Hmmm... time for some corporate advertising methinks :-) Daimler Benz developed a transputer-based system (OSCAR) which they claim has successfully travelled up and down various autobahns. Some information can be found from our (frame-based, sorry!) web site at http://ntsc.shef.ac.uk follow the links to *An Introduction to Parallel Processing with Transputers*. Please feel free to look around the rest of the site and contact us if you need cheap high quality parallel programmers or consultants :-)) Chris Bates ************************************** Researcher - Parallel Database Systems National Transputer Support Centre University of Sheffield, U.K. phone: (0114) 282 5272 email: c.d.bates at sheffield.ac.uk ************************************** From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Jul 17 05:49:00 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 05:49:00 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <199607170239.WAA28919@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jul 16, 96 10:39:31 pm Message-ID: Steve says-- > > I hope the Roswell concert turns out well (though it doesn't look > > promising). It's a pity that promoters can't get past the MTV thing, and > > realize that there really are people who like original and challenging > > music, and are a bit underwhelmed by "artists" like Sheryl Crow. > > Yeah, I think they know it well enough. Most of them just don't care. > Why make $10,000 when you can make $100,000? It's a business, and > unfortunately, we're merely what's known as a vocal minority. Still, it seems to me that a lot of money could be made by paying a bit more attention to artists who are not getting much promotion. The attitude in the music industry seems to be that, if something's selling like wildfire, you push it for all it's worth, and milk every dollar you can out of it. Maybe it's just easier to push the "superstars", and ignore everything else. > But, oh hell, I can't get THAT cynical about it - I feel unbelievably > fortunate in some ways. I never in my *wildest* dreams imagined that > practically every Hawkwind album worth noting would someday be > available on CD, and that the first several would be brilliantly > remastered. Never. It's like, that's the kind of thing that we used > to make jokes about when BOC-L first started. We all laughed about > it. Who thought it would happen? Years ago (well before I joined BOC-L), I was convinced that Hawkwind albums would not make it to the new CD format. I'm glad I was wrong! :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 17 07:52:10 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:52:10 +0100 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <199607170932.KAA05591@neptune.shef.ac.uk> from "Chris Bates" at Jul 17, 96 10:32:28 am Message-ID: > > I think that *certainly* would be totally impossible, at least on the main > > stage. (They *do* have a second stage thing, don't they?). Here in Columbus, > > the four 'headlining' artists were Natalie Merchant, Lenny Kravitz, Rusted > > Root, and Blues Traveller. All four of those artists are an order of magnitude > > (or more) well-known here in the states. And they sell discs in the millions > > rather than thousands. > > I think I'm now starting to understand the problems promoters have.... > I've heard Lenny Kravitz and I've heard OF Blues Traveller, might > even have heard 'em but if so I can't remember! Now who da fuck are > Rusted Root and Natalie Merchant? I guess this HORDE thing people > are talking about plays to a student/hippy crowd right? Just the sort > of freaks that in the UK like HW? No, not anymore really. The early HORDE tours were a bit like that. Then it really was a bunch of virtually unknown bands with cult followings who got together and decided to expose all their cult followings to each other. Natalie Merchant is ex-10,000 Maniacs, a quite well known band, Lenny Kravitz is even more an MTV darling. Blues Traveller miraculously got some MTV airplay, but they and Rusted Root (who opened for Page/Plant and the Allmans) are probably the most HORDE-like bands left there. They should put ARU and Widespread Panic back on the bill. Good bands who could use the exposure. The Spin Doctors shot to pop-star-dom after the early HORDE tours, and Phish of course climbed slowly into becoming a mega-cult band (They made one abortive video for MTV and were so upset by it that they decided never to do it again! :) HORDE has really kinda gone downhill, I think. Not that bands like the Allmans and King Crimson aren't appropriate in sound, they're just rather too well established to fit with the original spirit of the thing. And people like Sheryl Crow are _completely_ too bland. Scott H. and I saw a great band at the B stage a few years back called Cycomotogoat! They and the Allman's were definitely the best performances there, which just goes to show how lame the main stage was getting ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 17 07:54:14 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:54:14 +0100 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <9607170010.AA18448@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> from "Guido Vacano" at Jul 16, 96 08:10:21 pm Message-ID: > I hope the Roswell concert turns out well (though it doesn't look > promising). It's a pity that promoters can't get past the MTV thing, and > realize that there really are people who like original and challenging > music, and are a bit underwhelmed by "artists" like Sheryl Crow. I found Sheryl Crow and her band very challenging--it was quite a challenge to stay awake! ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 17 07:56:48 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:56:48 +0100 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <199607162201.SAA24405@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jul 16, 96 06:01:00 pm Message-ID: > Ick. I guess I'm more behind on the current alternative scene than I > guessed. Not being able to pick up any decent college radio stations > will do that to you. You think _you're_ behind on the current alternative scene ... ! ;) I never listened to any radio stations, college or otherwise, anyway. I got all my music tastes from family, friends, and the net. Word of Mouth rules :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 17 08:38:38 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:38:38 -0400 Subject: BOC: palm slashing Message-ID: Yeah, I like Diz-Busters (even now that I know what a Diz-Buster is -- if anyone out there doesn't know and wants to ... well, read the FAQ) - a kinda cool song that featured some good Buck soloing and jamming -- and Bloom's "Dude in the sharkskin suit" rap was much more enjoyable than his "pro-drug" rap during "Dominance and Submission". John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 17 08:43:10 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:43:10 -0400 Subject: Old BOC-L jokes Message-ID: Steve writes: > But, oh hell, I can't get THAT cynical about it - I feel unbelievably > fortunate in some ways. I never in my *wildest* dreams imagined that > practically every Hawkwind album worth noting would someday be > available on CD, and that the first several would be brilliantly > remastered. Never. It's like, that's the kind of thing that we used > to make jokes about when BOC-L first started. We all laughed about > it. Who thought it would happen? So when do our wildest dreams about BOC get fulfilled around here? ;-) Well, I still have hope that the "new album" joke is actually going to turn into a reality. Spoke with Bolle recently and he's still pretty positive about it (more details to follow in the next issue of Morning Final, due to come out probably in September). John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 17 09:42:01 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:42:01 EST Subject: was Roswell Message-ID: > > Keith H. (FAA) > > PS. I'm *still* not getting over the retirement of Kirby Puckett though. :( > This has me similarly stunned. (Another thing our UK friends won't > understand.) But if we could only get Albert Belle, Jose Canseco, Daryl Strawberry, Dennis Rodman, Bryan Cox etc. etc. to retire... theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 17 09:46:57 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:46:57 EST Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: > > Still, it seems to me that a lot of money could be made by paying a bit > more attention to artists who are not getting much promotion. The > attitude in the music industry seems to be that, if something's selling > like wildfire, you push it for all it's worth, and milk every dollar you > can out of it. Maybe it's just easier to push the "superstars", and And then promptly dump it like a burning ember when the 'next big thing' comes along. Can you say MTV? theo > From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jul 17 08:59:59 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:59:59 +0200 Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. wrote: . Can you say MTV? > theo > > > I'll quote Jello Biafra on this one: MTV get off the air!!! Christian From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 17 09:52:20 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:52:20 EST Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: > > Ick. I guess I'm more behind on the current alternative scene than I > > guessed. Not being able to pick up any decent college radio stations > > will do that to you. > > You think _you're_ behind on the current alternative scene ... ! ;) > I never listened to any radio stations, college or otherwise, anyway. > I got all my music tastes from family, friends, and the net. Word of > Mouth rules :) > > Cheers, > Carl > The only radio I listen to is NPR, and music is simply used as filler. Who needs it? I get most music tips word of mouth or from reading guitar magazines. Worked well so far... theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 17 09:56:17 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:56:17 EST Subject: BOC: palm slashing Message-ID: > song that featured some good Buck soloing and jamming -- and Bloom's "Dude > in the sharkskin suit" rap was much more enjoyable than his "pro-drug" rap > during "Dominance and Submission". > > John I never heard the 'sharkskin' rap. Is it in the FAQ? If not, any details...? Also negative on the pro-pot rap, though I liked his preamble about writing to 'Mr. Carter in Wash...sign it 'Dear Jimmy...' theo From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jul 16 12:49:45 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:49:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Latest news on Roswell, etc. In-Reply-To: <199607151941.PAA13299@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: In message <199607151941.PAA13299 at grumpy.magg.net>, "Andrew A. Apold" writes >>On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > >>B) Guess where New Mexico is?... Right next to TEXAS!!! :) :) :) If HW >>manages to perform at the Roswell thing, there'll be NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER >>for them to skip Texas! Yes! No, I didn't! For a start I've known for years that New Mexico's next to Texas! (and I remember the Alamo :-)!) -- Jon Browne From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jul 17 09:46:14 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:46:14 -0400 Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? In-Reply-To: <12359.9607170844@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Jul 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > > got no problem at all accessing > > http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ > > I get the message: > > The requested URL /projekte/future/ was not found on this server. > > This is using Mosaic 2.4. I get the same problem (about the URL not being found on the server), using lynx (okay, at home I can only use text:) *and* when issuing HTTP commands "by hand" when connected via telnet to port 80 of their site. If raw HTTP won't work, then this page must be very browser/server specific! :-) Btw, the URL I tried was http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/welcome.htm (I also tried it with an "l" on the end). Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Tragically Hip, _Road Apples_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Jul 17 10:22:54 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:22:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Cover Project: Thank you's In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960716100203.259f7456@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Johan Edlundh wrote: > Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:16:25 -0400 (EDT) > From: Allan T Grohe Jr > Subject: HW Covers compilation? > > Does anyone think it a worthwhile endeavor to try to put together a > definitive compilation of HW covers, in 1-2 90 min tapes (while > unfamiliar with the number out there, I find it hard to imagine it would > take more than that). > > If so, what would be the best way to go about this--shift the master > copies around from person to person with the originals and then get > someone to dub the finished set? Ideas/suggestions welcome... > > Allan. > --------------------------------------------------------- > I think the one to blame this time is Allan himself; this 6th letter in the > thread is the first that talks about a "cover compilation"... Uh oh. Senile after a mere 15 months: see what NetProjects do you to 8-> > btw - can anyone imagine *another* forum than this internet one, that would > end up with 350 minutes of Hawkwind covers??? The Whitehouse Tape Archive mailing list? ;-) Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Jul 17 10:36:38 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:36:38 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <1C8F81D5BA5@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr." at Jul 17, 96 08:52:20 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. writes: > > > > Ick. I guess I'm more behind on the current alternative scene than I > > > guessed. Not being able to pick up any decent college radio stations > > > will do that to you. > > > > You think _you're_ behind on the current alternative scene ... ! ;) > > I never listened to any radio stations, college or otherwise, anyway. > > I got all my music tastes from family, friends, and the net. Word of > > Mouth rules :) > > The only radio I listen to is NPR, and music is simply used as > filler. Who needs it? I get most music tips word of mouth or from > reading guitar magazines. Worked well so far... I got all my new music over the last couple of years from college radio and from a CD store in Raleigh that would let you open up any CD and listen to it (plus they kept hundreds of the most recent releases already opened, and a half dozen CD players nearby). Word of mouth has never served me very well, because few people that I meet in real life share my musical tastes, and people online often misguess them. Actually, it's funny - the person who has most accurately predicted my likes and dislikes lately is Deb Frost. She gave me a promo copy of Collective Soul's last CD, which turned out to be one of my favorite albums that year. Steve swann at panix.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 17 10:45:47 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:45:47 -0400 Subject: BOC: palm slashing Message-ID: Theo queries: >I never heard the 'sharkskin' rap. Is it in the FAQ? If not, any details...? It's Bloom's story about selling his soul to become a big rock star that he did during Diz-Busters. At least once (1975 show in Seattle, which some collectors have on the "Live in the West" tape), Eric referred to the man who brought him the contract (which he had to sign in blood) as "this dude in a sharkshin suit". Just in case any of you haven't heard the bit, basically Eric tells a story of how he was a struggling musician when he was approached by a dude who told him to just sign this contract (in blood) and he'd become a rock star. He does, and true to his word, Eric becomes a big rock star. He then tells how he expects in 50 some-odd years (while living in the old rockers home, "in jet-powered wheelchairs ... doin' drag-races down the halls, and grabbin' all the nurses!") that the man will come back and say "You're time is up - I've come to take you away". And then the song finishes... John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 17 11:59:56 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:59:56 EST Subject: E.B./Old Nick connection Message-ID: > Theo queries: > > >I never heard the 'sharkskin' rap. Is it in the FAQ? If not, any > details...? > > It's Bloom's story about selling his soul to become a big rock star that > he did during Diz-Busters. At least once (1975 show in Seattle, which > some collectors have on the "Live in the West" tape), Eric referred to the > man who brought him the contract (which he had to sign in blood) as "this > dude in a sharkshin suit". > > Just in case any of you haven't heard the bit, basically Eric tells a story > of how he was a struggling musician when he was approached by a dude who > told him to just sign this contract (in blood) and he'd become a rock star. > He does, and true to his word, Eric becomes a big rock star. He then tells > how he expects in 50 some-odd years (while living in the old rockers home, > "in jet-powered wheelchairs ... doin' drag-races down the halls, and > grabbin' all the nurses!") that the man will come back and say "You're > time is up - I've come to take you away". And then the song finishes... > > John John, Thanks for the info. It now does seem vaguely familiar. But it's strange, as I've seen BOC at least a couple of dozen times, most all of them during the band's heyday, and I can only remember their doing 'Diz' once or twice. Same with 'Subhuman,' even though it's on OYFOOYK, and I saw the tour as that album was just released, as well as the ST tour. Anyone else with similare stories? theo From tori at PANIX.COM Wed Jul 17 11:32:21 1996 From: tori at PANIX.COM (Lurking Girl) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 11:32:21 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <199607170932.KAA05591@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: Chris Bates wrote: > I think I'm now starting to understand the problems promoters have.... > I've heard Lenny Kravitz and I've heard OF Blues Traveller, might > even have heard 'em but if so I can't remember! You probably have. "Runaround" was being played incessantly last fall. (Lots of harmonica.) > What is a Jimmy buffet? I know what a finger buffet is (vol au vents etc), > and *jimmy* is sometimes slang for a piss ... so I'm almost afraid to put > 2 and 2 together here :-) Back, ye heathen! Jimmy Buffett (2 "t"s, as any fan will politely explain while excavating your spleen with a rusty spoon) writes, and sings, music of...well, I'm not sure what the genre would be; Caribbean beach bum rather sums it up. The song everyone has heard is "Margaritaville" but he has far better offerings, such as "Cheeseburger in Paradise" and "The Weather Is Here, Wish You Were Beautiful". .sig included for lyrical reference... Victoria C. Fike * tori at panix.com * http://www.panix.com/~tori Lurking Girl of the LNH * Imperatrix Ludorum * vf at panix.com, too "Commit a little mortal sin, it's good for the soul." -J. Buffett Email spam will be returned with a gratis copy of vmunix From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Jul 17 11:43:07 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:43:07 -0500 Subject: HW: Codex on the web? Message-ID: Does anyone have a copy of the Codex on their web site? I want to make a link to it.... Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Jul 17 11:58:25 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:58:25 PDT Subject: OFF: Re: Buffett slanderers... In-Reply-To: ; from "Lurking Girl" at Jul 17, 96 11:32 am Message-ID: > > > What is a Jimmy buffet? I know what a finger buffet is (vol au vents etc), > > and *jimmy* is sometimes slang for a piss ... so I'm almost afraid to put > > 2 and 2 together here :-) > > Back, ye heathen! Jimmy Buffett (2 "t"s, as any fan will politely > explain while excavating your spleen with a rusty spoon) writes, and > sings, music of...well, I'm not sure what the genre would be; Caribbean > beach bum rather sums it up. The song everyone has heard is > "Margaritaville" but he has far better offerings, such as "Cheeseburger > in Paradise" and "The Weather Is Here, Wish You Were Beautiful". > > .sig included for lyrical reference... > > Victoria C. Fike * tori at panix.com * http://www.panix.com/~tori > Lurking Girl of the LNH * Imperatrix Ludorum * vf at panix.com, too > "Commit a little mortal sin, it's good for the soul." -J. Buffett > Email spam will be returned with a gratis copy of vmunix > Argghh! (pirate-like) We need ta' keel-haul th' scurvy dogs, me lady 'Toria! JB is currently the purveyor of Caribbean beach bum music, but in his (early '70's) country-rock days and his late '80's-early '90's efforts are where you'll find the real gems. The last two albums have been a nice return to form, but he can still write an embarrasing song or two ("Fruitcakes" is oe of the all time worsts, and his efforts at "rap"...shudder). Nice music for at the beach, on a boat, getting ripped, weathering a hurricane... "If we weren't all crazy, we would go insane"...JB -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Wed Jul 17 12:13:57 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:13:57 EDT Subject: Buffett slanderers... Message-ID: I read somewhere that JB has sold many millions of albums and is in the top of the list as far as sales go. I have greatest hits i believe. Not a bad song in the lot. JB just proves that writing n singing what people in the main want to hear isn't rocket science as some would make it. RR From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Jul 17 12:42:13 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:42:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Buffett slanderers... In-Reply-To: <9607171558.AA10508@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com> from "Craig Shipley" at Jul 17, 96 08:58:25 am Message-ID: Craig Shipley writes: > > > > > > What is a Jimmy buffet? I know what a finger buffet is (vol au vents etc), [ Tori's reply ] > > "Commit a little mortal sin, it's good for the soul." -J. Buffett > > Email spam will be returned with a gratis copy of vmunix > > > Argghh! (pirate-like) We need ta' keel-haul th' scurvy dogs, me lady 'Toria! > > JB is currently the purveyor of Caribbean beach bum music, but in his > (early '70's) country-rock days and his late '80's-early '90's efforts > are where you'll find the real gems. The last two albums have been a nice > return to form, but he can still write an embarrasing song or two ("Fruitcakes" > is oe of the all time worsts, and his efforts at "rap"...shudder). It seems that Jimmy Buffett is one of those artists that you either love or hate. People either think he's the epitome of cool, or they want to shove that bottle of tequila and twist of lime right up his ass. > Nice music for at the beach, on a boat, getting ripped, weathering a > hurricane... > "If we weren't all crazy, we would go insane"...JB My personal fave is "A Pirate Looks at 40". And for novelty tunes, it's hard to beat "Why Don't We Get Drunk and Screw?". :-) Steve swann at panix.com From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 17 14:03:39 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:03:39 EST Subject: Buffett slanderers... Message-ID: > I read somewhere that JB has sold many millions of albums and > is in the top of the list as far as sales go. > Wouldn't surprise me in the least... > I have greatest hits i believe. Not a bad song in the lot. JB just > proves that writing n singing what people in the main want to > hear isn't rocket science as some would make it. > > RR Hey, he must have the formula down. If he got a penny for every time I heard a bar band [including a couple of mine!] played one of his tunes, he'd indeed be one wealthy cuss. If it ain't broke, don't break it! theo From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Jul 17 13:30:02 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:30:02 -0400 Subject: I'm Here Message-ID: Lets see, I got back from London on June 30th and it is now July 17. 17 days to get back to ' normal '. The last time HW toured the states it only took me 10 days to recover. I reckon that when I see HW when I'm Brock's age no one will hear from me for about a year. RJ and Karyn (travelling companions extraodanaire) sent me a couple hundred color glossies taken on the HW tour last week and this helped immensely in alleviating my doldrums. The entire tour was beyond my most optimistic expectations and it was made all the more special by by the BOCers we met along the way. On behalf of my wife Beverly and myself I would like to thank all of you for being so gracious and hospitable--here gos Carl A., Rob S.(2X), Dave B., Mike W., Jazzo, Mike H.(2X), Jill S.(2X), Jerry S., Andy G. Did I leave anyone out or add anyone who wasn't there? (if so please e-mail me back--Ive got my reasons). The first night at Brixton I was working on about 3 Hrs sleep in 48Hrs so I might be a bit confused. After the Brixton show we were literally taken under the Hawkwind wing. The guys in the band were genuinely touched that we travelled such great distances to see them. Yep it was the ole red carpet treatment the entire tour, backstage passes, offers of crash space, transportation--the whole nine yards. I was thrilled . As far as how I liked the actual shows, let's just say I ve been planning this tour since 1974 so I could never be objective. But, the show in Guildford was probably the best HW show I have seen since the HotmG tour in 74. Of course by that time I was completely done in by the atmosphere--Sitting dead center in a very low balconey-front row- wife to the left of me, RJ and Karyn to the right, all access passes pasted to our shirts, and a BIG FAT Joint supplied by a Hawklord who will remain nameless. Just like in the Beer commercials--It Don't Get Better Than This!!!! Does Hawkwind usually tour Europe in the Autumn? I'm not waiting 22 years to do this again. In the mean time if anyone is planning a trip here let me know, I'm right outside NYC and would love to hook up. Thanks again all! regards, Bill Stewart PS RJ-Seaside? I'll call you---goin to Cape Cod tommorrow From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Jul 17 12:50:15 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:50:15 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <1C8E121086D@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr." at Jul 17, 96 08:46:57 am Message-ID: Theo says--- > > Still, it seems to me that a lot of money could be made by paying a bit > > more attention to artists who are not getting much promotion. The > > attitude in the music industry seems to be that, if something's selling > > like wildfire, you push it for all it's worth, and milk every dollar you > > can out of it. Maybe it's just easier to push the "superstars", and > > And then promptly dump it like a burning ember when the 'next big > thing' comes along. Can you say MTV? Actually, I thought that already happened to Sheryl Crow. I guess she's still riding the tail end of her fame. Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 17 07:38:43 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:38:43 +0100 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <199607170221.VAA26984@deliverator.io.com> Message-ID: >>If neither StarRats nor Shmiffdude make it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR in their most >>emphatic voices, i.e. "Don't you realize that the people who are >>interested in a Roswell festival DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT SHERYL CROW???", This isn't the case. Everybody and their mum knows about Roswell including the dreary corner of the world that is Sheryl Crow and her awful fans. >>then I'll *definitely* have a bone to pick concerning HW management. > It's not a fucking festival, anyway! Come to Devon, there's a real festival happening.. >Just thought I'd reply to this one. I am as suprised as anyone that the >promoter is looking for people like Sheryl Crow, and the mere fact that they >are indicates to me that they don't really know the background of the >festival. As I said before, they realise that it is a good way of drawing >media attention to anyone playing here. Who _wouldn't_ want to play at a Roswell fest? Roswell, the (marketable) phenomenom is as mainstream as anything could get! It's funny, but people seem to think UFO's, aliens and the X-Files etc. are a bit culty and weird, a bit _out there_ man! But it's a totally ordinary preoccupation. This is absolutely everyday common currency. Ask anyone in the street what Roswell is, betcha at least say 35% of people know what was supposed to have happened. In my shop, I deal with people every day of the week who think they're *very interesting and unusual people* with their interesting takes on _paranormal activity_. "Oh by the way, I collect X-Files memorabelia, do you have any?" No why don't you try Woolworth's?? I don't find it suprising in the least that a corparate event promotor would be thinking in terms of oooooh Alanis Morrisette or Melissa Etheridge or other "crazy rock people" Hey, ask Sheryl her opinions on Roswell! I bet she's got some! Aaah, who cares anyway! Devon or Carnac sound much further out, man! PLUS you've got a much better chance of an alien encounter! If I was gonna start getting bummed out because people don't realise how fucking cool Hawkwind are, I'd be a basket case by now! BTW are saucer sightings still *relatively* common in the Roswell area? > >At the moment, we are just glad that the promoter acutally gave me the time >of day and was open minded enough to accept a promotion pack. Please bear in >mind that he didn't know who Hawkwind was, and gave me a total of 30 seconds >to explain my business with his company!! That's nice of him. You never know then, eh? :) Erm, can I have a promotional pack, please? :))))) >There is only a certain amount we can do our end and as the old saying goes, >you can lead a student to water but you can't make him wash:) Or you can play the most exilarating rock ever recoreded and people will still want that far out groovey chick, Beverly Craven or whoever is "groovey rock chick" this week. > >Star-rats > >PS: The release date of Solstice has been put back until next Monday. Stonehenge has been re-aligned accordingly. -- Jon Browne In a pissy mood, sorry! From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Jul 17 14:18:20 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:18:20 -0400 Subject: Buffett slanderers... In-Reply-To: <9607171613.AA02918@zeal> from "ross.reyes" at Jul 17, 96 12:13:57 pm Message-ID: RR said.. > > I read somewhere that JB has sold many millions of albums and > is in the top of the list as far as sales go. > Well then, sign him up for the Roswell gig...he's obviously the kind of 'superstar' artist the promoters are looking for. And after all, you could consider it ultimate beach party, what with all that sand and everything. Remind me not to rag on any more lame artists here on boc-l, since it seems there's at least one fan of just about *anything* here. Keith H. (FAA) I *do* love margaritas though, only without the salt around the rim. I get enough of that just swimming in the ocean. From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jul 17 14:26:43 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:26:43 -0600 Subject: HW: some discs for sale In-Reply-To: <199607170135.VAA00794@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Keith A Henderson wrote: > Hi Folks... > > I just saw a posting from a guy named Robert Pearson on r.m.p. about some HW > tapes and CD's he has for sale. His e-mail address is... > > telical at eskimo.com (hope that's right) > > Here they is.... > > Tapes > > Hawkwind: Space Bandits $4 (I think) > Hawkwind: Palace Springs $4 ( " ) > > CD's > > These are all less than two months old > and postage paid except if noted: > > Hawkwind: Electric Tepee $8 > Hawkwind: Chronicles of the Black Sword $8 > Hawkwind: In Search of Space $8 > Hawkwind: Hall of the Mountain Grill $8 > Hawkwind: Warriors on the Edge of Time Older than 2 months $7 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Presumbably, the ISoS and HotMG are the One Way releases. But some of the > other items might interest some people on the list here... > > Keith H. (FAA) > Still looking for Imaginos CD single. Anybody have an x-tra?? GOd bless... Manuel Alzaga, Jr. & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Jul 17 14:46:02 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:46:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: NPR petition Message-ID: I thought the following might be of interest to the NPR fans on the list --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: NPR petition Date: 96-07-15 17:57:43 EDT From: Whiskydogg To: DFrost8547 >> >> >>Subject: national public radio - petition >> Author: teng at mcgraw-hill.com at internet >> Date: 5/21/96 9:15 AM >> >> >> Petition for NPR >> >> For anyone who thinks NPR/PBS is a worthwhile expenditure of $1.12/year of >>their taxes, petition follows. If you sign, please forward onto others. If >>not, please don't kill it -- send it to the email address listed here: >>wein2688 at blue.univnorthco.edu >> >>PBS, NPR (National Public Radio), and the arts are facing major cutbacks in >>funding. 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Perdue Atlanta, GA >> 118)David Cour, Washington D.C. >> 119)Katie Sergent, Washington D.C. >> 120)Nathan Sewell, Nashville, TN >> 121)Peter Eby, Nashville, TN >> 122) jeff taraday, seattle, WA >> 123)Julie Taraday, Seattle, WA >> 124) Stephanie Cooper, Seattle WA >> 125) Kailen Mooney, Seattle, WA >> 126) Dylan Clark, Univ. of WA, Anthropology, Seattle 98195 >> 127) Daniel Simons, University of Washington, Seattle, WA >> 128) Kirsten Wild, University of Washington, Seattle, WA >> 129) Barbara Busetti, University of Washington, Seattle, WA >> 130) Leslie Macchia, Mountain View, CA (lmacchia at ix.netcom.com) >> 131) Tara Herman (tara at wired.co.uk) >> 132) Charlotte Ng, Wired Magazine, San Francisco, CA >> 133) Oliver Keeton, Winterland Productions, San Francisco CA >> 134) Sarah Diamond, Rhino Records, Los Angeles, CA >> 135) Matt Diamond, Holland, PA >> 136) Thomas I. Eng, Plainsboro, NJ (tomeng at Princeton.EDU) >> 137) Tammy M. Eng, Berkeley, CA >> 138) Susanne Aronowitz, San Francisco, CA >> 139) Randy Chamberlain, New York, NY >> 140) Joanne Spalding, Oakland, CA >> 141) Thomas K.G. Mohr, Davis, CA (tkgmohr at ucdavis.edu) >> 142) William R. Glascock, Austin, TX >> 143) Benjamin Emerson, Sound Designer, Boston, MA >> 144) Laurie Anne Palmer, Boston, MA >> 145) Lisa Diane McColgan, Hingham, MA >> 146) Lynette Estes, Boston, MA (lestes at tne.com) >> 147) Andrew Furst, Lowell, MA >> 148) Samantha Poland, Lowell, MA >> 149) Stuart Constantine, Brooklyn, NY >> 150) Daniel Zeller, Brooklyn, NY 151) Anya Sacharow, Brooklyn, NY 152) Shawn Dahl, New York, NY 153:F. Holland George (aka Holly George-Warren) New York, NY >:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jul 17 14:48:55 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:48:55 -0600 Subject: Roswell Adress & Numbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Roswell UFO Encounters P.O. Box 2146 Roswell, NM 88202 USA, Planet Earth, Milky Way. Phone; (505) 622-4742 E-Mail; uforoswl at rt66.com Roswell Chamber of Commerce; 1-800-295-6870 Hope this helps!! Manuel Alzaga, Jr. & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 17 15:44:26 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:44:26 EST Subject: Buffett slanderers... Message-ID: Keith says: > > Remind me not to rag on any more lame artists here on boc-l, since it seems > there's at least one fan of just about *anything* here. > > Keith H. (FAA) > Really! If you ripped the Bay City Rollers or the 1910 Fruitgum company, somebody'd take exception. theo From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Jul 17 14:58:00 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:58:00 -0400 Subject: HW: Roswell - Nightline In-Reply-To: from "Damon C Capehart" at Jul 17, 96 01:23:36 am Message-ID: Damon asks... > P.S.: Did *anyone* happen to catch (preferably tape!) tonight's (Tuesday > July 16) Nightline on the U.S. obsession with U.F.O.s, aliens, etc.? I > was at a concert and forgot to set the timer. Yes, I saw it, kind of by accident. Had no idea it was going to be on, but I just happened to pass by it while surfing. It was a reasonably interesting program....but it kind of tried to cover too many issues in a short program (half hour, which really means 23 minutes of actual air time). And of course, they have to justify Koppel's salary by having him interview people live, even if it's entirely unnecessary. They had a tape segment before the interview, which focussed on the ID4 movie and the Roswell connection, and poll results about what people believe when it comes to ETI and UFO's. They showed the crash site and had a few brief comments from the guy who owns the property on how some of the people appear to be on some sort of religious pilgrimage while there. They also showed a *very* brief comment from a guy named Stan Crosby, who was identified as 'Roswell Festival Organizer' or something like that, on the screen. I wrote down the name in case Mr. Star_rats wanted to try and get in touch with him, as opposed to working with the middleman/agent in NYC. Funny, they didn't mention the festival itself (other than this caption), but only that it's been 'almost 50 years' since this event. The second tape segment was about the search for ETI using radio telescopes, and some of the bizarre things that have been recorded over the years that have some credibility. A DoD instrument recorded a series of lights flashing across the sky a few years ago, that have been shown not to be either an aircraft (didn't block out the stars between the lights) or a group of meteorite fragments (too slow). The interivews were mostly about the reasons why people believe that UFO's are real, or at least that life *must* exist elsewhere, mainly talking about the 'religious' aspects. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And then Jon said... >Who _wouldn't_ want to play at a Roswell fest? >Roswell, the (marketable) phenomenom is as mainstream as anything could >get! > >It's funny, but people seem to think UFO's, aliens and the X-Files etc. >are a bit culty and weird, a bit _out there_ man! But it's a totally >ordinary preoccupation. This is absolutely everyday common currency. Ask >anyone in the street what Roswell is, betcha at least say 35% of people >know what was supposed to have happened. In my shop, I deal with people >every day of the week who think they're *very interesting and unusual >people* with their interesting takes on _paranormal activity_. "Oh by >the way, I collect X-Files memorabelia, do you have any?" No why don't >you try Woolworth's?? Well, yeah, the phenomenon is certainly marketable to a wide audience (tens of millions, certainly), but for this event, we're talking about those people who are going to go a *looong* way out of their way to get there. Roswell is near to absolutely nuthin'. It's a 1400 mile trip for me, and there are more population centers in the US *further* away than that, compared to those closer. Going from the closest major (> 1mil) cities (Dallas, Phoenix, San Antonio?) would still be like going all the way across Britain (say from Wisbech to Bideford) and back. And Mr. Tawn wrote that up as if it were an odyssey. So I really don't see it as obvious that promoters would definitely want the *most* popular artists in the country there, simply because that should mean the biggest turnout. Because what's so unusual about those bands touring anyway?? If they're that popular, they'll be coming to your city soon anyway. So why would people go all the way to Roswell to see the Red Hot Chili Peppers, say?? esp. if they'd be showing up in your city next month.... It makes sense then to make this a special event of a coherent theme, to make it a can't miss for those into *all* of the festivities....ie., the S/F & UFO community, and hence the music so related! This is what the agent should understand. (Now if the aliens crashed in downtown Pasadena, you'd have a completely different situation.) Finally, I gathered from the Nightline broadcast that this occurred on or about July 6-7, 1947, which means the festival would be this date(s) next year. Now this gives me another idea....you know, June 20-21 is a mere 16 days before this event. Why not have an opening 'festival' show for the solstice somewhere in the eastern half of NA, and then Roswell as the closing festival. And then, you could fill in the middle with the obligatory tour dates (NY, Cleve, Chicago, Toronto, etc.) *and* put in a Dallas and K.C. at least, as they'd be heading for the desert SW anyway??? And cap it all of with LA/San Diego/SFran shows before heading back, perhaps. Where would you have the solstice celebration though?? I know there's a 'Carhenge' out in Kansas or something, but that's kind of silly. What American locale has that sort of significance?? Key West is near the Tropic of Cancer - maybe HW could do a show with Jimmy Buffett there.... :) No seriously, we should remind DS that these events are only a couple weeks apart. And maybe he could arrange to get 'hold of some old Spinal Tap stage props for such an occasion. :) Keith H. (FAA) From christoj at PLK.AF.MIL Wed Jul 17 15:08:23 1996 From: christoj at PLK.AF.MIL (Julian Christou) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:08:23 -0600 Subject: Roswell ... In-Reply-To: <199607170238.WAA23019@listserv.spc.edu> from "Automatic digest processor" at Jul 16, 96 10:38:51 pm Message-ID: Greetings fellow list members. Well I've been travelling for a while and am now back in NM for a couple of weeks before I go off to spend about 5 months in the Munich area. And what do I read when I get back - A Roswell Concert ... Unfortinately, or fortunately, I won't be around for it. Funnily enough I got a magazine subscription offer in the mail today ... "What's your response when people say things like UFO abductions are real and that there really was a crashed UFO near Roswell ..." If your reaction to these claims is "That Can't Be True" - but you don't know where to find the facts to disclaim them ... "The Skeptical Enquirer" I bet they also have answers as to why HW seldom tour the US and why Doug Smith is still there manager despite the claims that he was abducted by aliens ... :-) Anyhow, jokes aside, it's really a very good magazine for the scientific analysis of UFO and other such phenomenon ... Anyhow back to HW. Any idea what there tour dates are for later thius year. I'll be in Munich from Aug 1 til Dec 31 approx and wondered when they'll be playing the continent or also back home in the UK? Julian -- +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ | Dr. Julian Christou | Phone: 505-846-4712 x330 | | PL/LIG, Phillips Lab | FAX: 505-846-2213 | | 3550 Aberdeen SE +-----------------------------+ | Kirtland AFB, NM 87117-5776 | E-mail: christoj at plk.af.mil | +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ "One trend that bothers me is the glorification of stupidity, that the media is reassuring people it's all right not to know anything...That to me is far more dangerous than a little pornography on the Internet" ... Carl Sagan From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Jul 17 15:57:32 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:57:32 -0500 Subject: HW: US Covers: Attn: Bob Rudich Message-ID: Bob, Your set of covers came back to me, with an invalid address. Please contact me about resending them. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 17 16:18:39 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:18:39 +0100 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Jul 17, 96 12:38:43 pm Message-ID: > This isn't the case. Everybody and their mum knows about Roswell > including the dreary corner of the world that is Sheryl Crow and her > awful fans. Actually, I never heard about it until HW put out the Alien single with the "Roswell Edit"! My main understanding is still just that's it's supposed to be a alien crash site with accompanying Gov't cover-up and has a big cult following (as alien crashes go). :} > >PS: The release date of Solstice has been put back until next Monday. > > Stonehenge has been re-aligned accordingly. ROTFL! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Jul 17 16:50:07 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:50:07 PDT Subject: OFF: Re: Buffett slanderers... In-Reply-To: <199607171642.MAA10832@phantom.mindvox.com>; from "Stephen Swann" at Jul 17, 96 12:42 pm Message-ID: Mr. "It's all his own damn fault" Steve Swann sez... > > > It seems that Jimmy Buffett is one of those artists that you either > love or hate. People either think he's the epitome of cool, or they > want to shove that bottle of tequila and twist of lime right up > his ass. > And which are you, Mr. Swann? Actually, I'm kinda middle-of-the-road on him now. Never did consider myself a parrothead or anything like that. He's gotten too damn popular as of late, and seems to be playing to that crowd. I liked him better when he was still opening for the Eagles... He still writes a good tune now and then, but his glory days are behind him... > > Nice music for at the beach, on a boat, getting ripped, weathering a > > hurricane... > > "If we weren't all crazy, we would go insane"...JB > > My personal fave is "A Pirate Looks at 40". And for novelty tunes, > it's hard to beat "Why Don't We Get Drunk and Screw?". :-) > Agree on both counts! (Especially since I'm now the big four-oh! Well, at least I'm not dead!) > Steve > swann at panix.com > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jul 16 21:34:54 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 18:34:54 PDT Subject: where am I Message-ID: > writes >> I'm >>still on the plane sleeping dreaming of the Brixton gig tommorrow only a >>dream only a dream. Or is it................................ >>Bill 'Hawkwind fried my brain' Stewart >Welcome back, Bill! Where've you been, then?:)) Well, Amsterdam, of course! :-) Jerry From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Jul 17 17:05:20 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:05:20 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Jul 17, 96 12:38:43 pm Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > > >>If neither StarRats nor Shmiffdude make it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR in their most > >>emphatic voices, i.e. "Don't you realize that the people who are > >>interested in a Roswell festival DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT SHERYL CROW???", > > This isn't the case. Everybody and their mum knows about Roswell > including the dreary corner of the world that is Sheryl Crow and her > awful fans. [...] > Who _wouldn't_ want to play at a Roswell fest? > Roswell, the (marketable) phenomenom is as mainstream as anything could > get! > It's funny, but people seem to think UFO's, aliens and the X-Files etc. > are a bit culty and weird, a bit _out there_ man! But it's a totally > ordinary preoccupation. This is absolutely everyday common currency. Ask > anyone in the street what Roswell is, betcha at least say 35% of people > know what was supposed to have happened. In my shop, I deal with people > every day of the week who think they're *very interesting and unusual Uh, Jon, don't you run a comic shop? Using the patrons of your shop as a sample of the "general populace" is going to give you a really skewed result. :-) "Most" people absolutely and totally don't give a shit about this stuff (heck, I only give a damn about it because it would get Hawkwind in front of a decently large U.S. audience). The promoter they hired is going to fuck it up, because the limited audience that would be interested in the event for the s/f (call it paranormal if you must) connection are typically not going to be fans of dance club music. I am tempted to to copy the "Science Fiction in Rock Music" FAQ to the promoter of this event. It has a sizable Hawkwind entry (penned by me) and an *enormous* Hawkwind footnote, added independantly by Mike Holmes. It quite rightly names Hawkwind the all-time consensus champs of s/f oriented rock. Such an official looking document, DOWNLOADED HOT off the INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY, just might have enough buzz to make even an obvious dimwit like him sit up and take notice. Grumble. Steve swann at panix.com From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Jul 17 16:50:07 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:50:07 PDT Subject: OFF: Re: Buffett slanderers... In-Reply-To: <199607171642.MAA10832@phantom.mindvox.com>; from "Stephen Swann" at Jul 17, 96 12:42 pm Message-ID: Mr. "It's all his own damn fault" Steve Swann sez... > > > It seems that Jimmy Buffett is one of those artists that you either > love or hate. People either think he's the epitome of cool, or they > want to shove that bottle of tequila and twist of lime right up > his ass. > And which are you, Mr. Swann? Actually, I'm kinda middle-of-the-road on him now. Never did consider myself a parrothead or anything like that. He's gotten too damn popular as of late, and seems to be playing to that crowd. I liked him better when he was still opening for the Eagles... He still writes a good tune now and then, but his glory days are behind him... > > Nice music for at the beach, on a boat, getting ripped, weathering a > > hurricane... > > "If we weren't all crazy, we would go insane"...JB > > My personal fave is "A Pirate Looks at 40". And for novelty tunes, > it's hard to beat "Why Don't We Get Drunk and Screw?". :-) > Agree on both counts! (Especially since I'm now the big four-oh! Well, at least I'm not dead!) > Steve > swann at panix.com > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From tori at PANIX.COM Wed Jul 17 17:22:29 1996 From: tori at PANIX.COM (Lurking Girl) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:22:29 -0400 Subject: BOC: Reaper on *another* soundtrack Message-ID: Found this on PCN, in an article about how Hollywood is once again trying to drum up trade for movies with "hot" soundtracks. Copyright Pointcast Network, reproduced without permission, blah blah blah: 'The company [MCA/Universal] is also bowing "The Frighteners", with music composed by Danny Elfman. The mostly instrumental disc will also boast a remake of Blue Oyster Cult's "Don't Fear the Reaper", performed by New Zealand's Mutton Birds.' (To make it more reassuring *ahem*, the movie is a sort of horror/comedy starring Michael J. Fox as an exorcist of sorts--he doesn't banish ghosts with bell, book, and candle, he seems to ignore them until they get bored. Or something. The preview wasn't real specific, go figure.) Mutton Birds. Riiiight. Anyone heard of these noodles? What kind of travesty might we be in for, here...? Tori (oh, and did I mention that TNT will be premiering the Blues Brothers _cartoon_ this fall? *shudder*) From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Jul 17 18:35:06 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:35:06 EST Subject: OFF: SF in Rock Music FAQ - where? Message-ID: Where can I download a copy of the "Science Fiction in Rock Music" FAQ? This sounds like something I'd like a copy of... Thanks. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObJam: F/i "Standing in the Garden" from HW Cover Tape I. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 17 17:44:57 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 22:44:57 +0100 Subject: Brixton tape update Message-ID: Despite continuing delays and procrastination I'm getting closer to getting the Amazing BOC-L Brixton Sing-Along tapes ready to go. Bernard has forced me into action ;) There's a bit more than 10 minutes of space left--I can pop on some Bevis Frond live material OR people can risk some cuts from my demo tape, whichever they prefer ..... I'm afriad I haven't really got much else that makes acceptable filler material with me ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 17 17:48:15 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 22:48:15 +0100 Subject: BOC: Reaper on *another* soundtrack In-Reply-To: from "Lurking Girl" at Jul 17, 96 05:22:29 pm Message-ID: Everything in that post sounded like something I'd _much_ rather have seen on April Fools Day .... ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From skarsol at EROLS.COM Wed Jul 17 13:49:01 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:49:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Buffett slanderers... Message-ID: jus' wanna be known as pro-buffet. kind of strange how so many of us children of the sun like this sort of stuff.... rj From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Jul 17 18:07:58 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:07:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: SF in Rock Music FAQ - where? In-Reply-To: cjohnson "OFF: SF in Rock Music FAQ - where?" (Jul 17, 5:35pm) Message-ID: cjohnson wrote: > Where can I download a copy of the "Science Fiction in Rock Music" > FAQ? This sounds like something I'd like a copy of... > Thanks. http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet-faqs/bygroup/rec/music/misc/_music%3asci-fi-refs.html -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Perl - the only language that looks the same before and after encryption. From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jul 17 17:23:20 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:23:20 +1100 Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? Message-ID: > On Wed, 17 Jul 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > > > > got no problem at all accessing > > > http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ > > > > I get the message: > > > > The requested URL /projekte/future/ was not found on this server. > > > > This is using Mosaic 2.4. On 17 Jul 96 at 9:46, Paul Mather wrote: > Btw, the URL I tried was http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/welcome.htm > (I also tried it with an "l" on the end). Have you tried http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/index.html ? Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jul 17 17:24:42 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:24:42 +1100 Subject: HW: Codex on the web? Message-ID: On 17 Jul 96 at 10:43, Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: > Does anyone have a copy of the Codex on their web site? I want to make a > link to it.... It's on mine Allan ..... http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files/codex.txt or http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files/codex.zip Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Jul 17 18:48:57 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 18:48:57 -0400 Subject: BOC: Reaper on *another* soundtrack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lurking Girl writes: > > Found this on PCN, in an article about how Hollywood is once again trying > to drum up trade for movies with "hot" soundtracks. > > Copyright Pointcast Network, reproduced without permission, blah blah blah: > > 'The company [MCA/Universal] is also bowing "The Frighteners", with music > composed by Danny Elfman. The mostly instrumental disc will also boast a > remake of Blue Oyster Cult's "Don't Fear the Reaper", performed by New > Zealand's Mutton Birds.' > > (To make it more reassuring *ahem*, the movie is a sort of horror/comedy > starring Michael J. Fox as an exorcist of sorts--he doesn't banish ghosts > with bell, book, and candle, he seems to ignore them until they get > bored. Or something. The preview wasn't real specific, go figure.) Maybe I misunderstood the preview, but I thought the gist of it was that he was friends with the ghosts, and he ran a scam with them where he would get paid to "exorcise" his buddies... until the Bad Guy shows up. > Mutton Birds. Riiiight. Anyone heard of these noodles? What kind of > travesty might we be in for, here...? I wonder if there's even the remotest connection with the last "famous" BOC cover band from the underside of the planet, Radio Birdman...? Or are the names just a cosmically silly coincidence? I'm already hearing vague echoes of the "Reaper" solo performed on a digeridoo... :-} (yeah, yeah, AU <> NZ, I know, I know, but somebody had to say it). Steve swann at panix.com From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 17 20:03:35 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:03:35 EST Subject: BOC: Reaper on *another* soundtrack Message-ID: > Lurking Girl writes: > > > > Found this on PCN, in an article about how Hollywood is once again trying > > to drum up trade for movies with "hot" soundtracks. > > > > Copyright Pointcast Network, reproduced without permission, blah blah blah: > > > > 'The company [MCA/Universal] is also bowing "The Frighteners", with music > > composed by Danny Elfman. The mostly instrumental disc will also boast a > > remake of Blue Oyster Cult's "Don't Fear the Reaper", performed by New > > Zealand's Mutton Birds.' > > > > (To make it more reassuring *ahem*, the movie is a sort of horror/comedy > > starring Michael J. Fox as an exorcist of sorts--he doesn't banish ghosts > > with bell, book, and candle, he seems to ignore them until they get > > bored. Or something. The preview wasn't real specific, go figure.) > Maybe I misunderstood the preview, but I thought the gist of it was > that he was friends with the ghosts, and he ran a scam with them where > he would get paid to "exorcise" his buddies... until the Bad Guy > shows up. > Yeah, I saw a trailer for it at the flicks last w/e [ID4!] That pretty much sums it up. M.J. Fox ain't my cup of hemlock, but the f/x looked pretty cool theo > From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 17 20:05:06 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:05:06 EST Subject: BOC: Reaper on *another* soundtrack Message-ID: > > > Mutton Birds. Riiiight. Anyone heard of these noodles? What kind of > > travesty might we be in for, here...? > > I wonder if there's even the remotest connection with the last > "famous" BOC cover band from the underside of the planet, Radio > Birdman...? Or are the names just a cosmically silly coincidence? > Sacrilege! RB kicks righteous butt! Mend your wicked ways! theo > From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Jul 17 19:24:43 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:24:43 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: Steve said >"Most" people absolutely and totally don't give a shit about this >stuff (heck, I only give a damn about it because it would get Hawkwind >in front of a decently large U.S. audience). The promoter they hired >is going to fuck it up, because the limited audience that would be >interested in the event for the s/f (call it paranormal if you must) >connection are typically not going to be fans of dance club music. I think it's a bit premature to say they're going to "fuck it up" on the strength of one name they've been reported as considering. - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Jul 17 19:30:26 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:30:26 -0400 Subject: BOC: Reaper on *another* soundtrack Message-ID: In a message dated 17/07/96 22:49:36, you write: >> Mutton Birds. Riiiight. Anyone heard of these noodles? What kind of >> travesty might we be in for, here...? > >I wonder if there's even the remotest connection with the last >"famous" BOC cover band from the underside of the planet, Radio >Birdman...? Or are the names just a cosmically silly coincidence? The MB's have been around a while. Kiwi indie types, I believe. I bet you anything you like Radio Birdman are more famous in Australia than BOC. They never toured the US, but in Oz, and to a lesser extent in Europe, they are rightly legendary. And they're about as much a "BOC cover band" as BOC are an Animals cover band. BTW, Radio Birdman's name come from a Stooges song, whereas a "mutton bird" is the short-tailed Australasian shearwater. - bad mood Andy From skarsol at EROLS.COM Wed Jul 17 18:01:43 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 22:01:43 +0000 Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: as far as opinions go: roswell is a remote(and probably uncomfortable to many)sort of place. ya gotta wonder how many people will be willing to spend their precious vacation(from school,work,maximum security lock-down;whatever) time wandering thru the desert,lookin' for wild peyote or maybe wild bill, as well as who these these people might be. i think the key phrase in this skenario might be "cult following." i don't think the average hmmm, ...errr...sheryl crow.. fan- would travel more than say 20 or 30 miles to attend a show,where as bands like phish,the allmans,er.. hawkwind,and a whole mess of others,have lots of fans who will see as many shows as they can on a tour,and often in spite of LARGE CONSEQUENCES. i don't think i will go to this thing if a band like hw(mr.pibb), is going to get buried underneath 50 blah,blah-on-the-radio-6x-a-day whitebread bands(coca-cola.)>unless,of course,hw is going to be hosting a party in the desert!< uh- please pardon my babbling. "on the Nth day,(god) created the sun,the valleys and streams; and (he) filled the valleys with trees,and with GRASS. and on the Oth day,(god) said {{LET THERE BE LIGHT!}} and he LIT UP- and it was GOOD...." ...mis-quoted line from the silly movie "up your alley" linda blair b-rated comedy rj ps: if this pisses anyone off,i was never home tonight,this is a savage attempt by my evil pc to shake the chains ofhuman control,yet again... From skarsol at EROLS.COM Wed Jul 17 18:03:58 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 22:03:58 +0000 Subject: Brixton tape update Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > Despite continuing delays and procrastination I'm getting closer > to getting the Amazing BOC-L Brixton Sing-Along tapes ready to go. > Bernard has forced me into action ;) > > There's a bit more than 10 minutes of space left--I can pop on > some Bevis Frond live material OR people can risk some cuts from my > demo tape, whichever they prefer ..... I'm afriad I haven't really > got much else that makes acceptable filler material with me ...== could someone please tell us what this is about? carl? or is this a private matter? rj From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jul 17 22:12:45 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 22:12:45 -0400 Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? In-Reply-To: <199607172332.JAA14592@burwood.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Assassin Sonique wrote: > > Btw, the URL I tried was http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/welcome.htm > > (I also tried it with an "l" on the end). > > Have you tried http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/index.html ? The plot thickens... today, in the dept., I tried accessing that URL using Netscape. Out of five attempts, *once* it managed to load *some* of the page (before grinding to a halt). The other times it complained about not being able to connect to the host. Consecutive "traceroute"s had connectivity to the site up and down like a yo-yo. Apart from the baffling behaviour, I can only surmise that the pages' author needs to find himself a mirror site with decent connectivity---and fast! It'd be a shame for a good resource like this to limit its audience just through a relatively poor host. (Or is it just me? Does everyone else manage to access this site without any problems?) Cheers, Paul. obNauseatingHype: The USA Olympic Basketball "Dream Team" e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From ike1 at I1.NET Wed Jul 17 23:43:00 1996 From: ike1 at I1.NET (Ed Eichendorf) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 22:43:00 -0500 Subject: HW: Roswell - Nightline Message-ID: Keith H. (FAA) writes: >Where would you have the solstice celebration though?? I know there's a >'Carhenge' out in Kansas or something, but that's kind of silly. What American >locale has that sort of significance?? Key West is near the Tropic of Cancer - >maybe HW could do a show with Jimmy Buffett there.... :) from NetGuide Now (June 30- July 6): Does Anyone Really Know What Time it Is? It's little known lore that the United States has its own version of Stonehenge in Derry, N.H., that doubles as a calendar. The complex, a series of stone walls containing large, shaped, standing stones, covers well over 30 acres. Like Stonehenge in England, America's Stonehenge was built by ancient people well-versed in astronomy and stone construction. Through several independent surveys by qualified researchers, it has been determined that the site is an accurate, astronomically aligned calendar. It was, and still can be, used to determine specific solar and lunar events of the year. For a peek, visit the home page of America's Stonehenge. www.peekaboo.net:80/stonehenge/ -- --- --- --- Ed Eichendorf ...drawn up between the Ambassadors from Plutonia and ike1 at i1.net Desdinova, the foreign minister. These treaties founded a secret science from the stars. Astronomy. The career of evil. From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Thu Jul 18 05:42:47 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:42:47 +0000 Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? Message-ID: Just a side note. I remeber hearing that the network standard in Germany (where the host machine resides I think) is slighlty different to the rest of the world. All trafic in and out needs to be converted making German access to the WWW slighlty slower. It's possible one of these box's is playing up. Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Jul 18 09:57:20 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:57:20 BST Subject: HW: can anyone access Calvert page? In-Reply-To: Assassin Sonique's message of Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:23:20 +1100 Message-ID: > Have you tried http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/index.html ? I've just tried it -- no luck. Dave. From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Thu Jul 18 10:04:30 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:04:30 U Subject: BOC: Reaper on *another* soundtrack Message-ID: >The MB's have been around a while. Kiwi indie types, I believe. So will their version be anything like the Bridewell Taxis version (Leeds indie types)? BTW, Rob, I have still got your address, and I *will* mail you this version! Cheers, Rich. ** All I want for Christmas is a Dukla Prague away kit ** From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Jul 18 06:00:13 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:00:13 +0200 Subject: Covers Tapes: Thanks!! Message-ID: Just got the covers tapes and copies of the official HW cover album from Dave Berry... thanks, cool surprise after another dreary day at work.... Now, I have a few questions (I haven't had time to listen to all of 'em, so I'm sure its not going to be my last!): The Spacemen 3 song "Revolution" - is it actually a HW song, or does it just sound like one?? I have the very same song on an early Mudhoney EP from about '88 or so called "Hate The Police" - same lyrics, same tune, but no credits. Who actually wrote this song - was it Hawkwind (there appears some non-HW stuff on the covers tapes)...or Mudhoney....or Spacemen 3??? I believe Spacemen 3's "Playing with Fire" came out in '88 as well. Mark Arm of Mudhoney once said in an interview that HW's "In Search of Space" is one of his top 3 all time records..... Now I'm going totally off, but I've noticed that both Amon Duul UK and Van Der Graaf Generator have recorded "Olaf (Where's my $20.000?)" on compilations ("Air on a Shoestring" and "Now and Then"). This must be the same song! I like both bands, but have heard neither song, but I presume VDGG must have done it first since they broke up in the late 70s. Now if it were a co-incidence, I suppose it could be like a 1 in 1000000000000000000 chance, but..... Anybody? Christian PS! Oh yeah, they just showed the episode of the Young Ones over here where Neil indeed says "Why can't they play some Hawkwind or Marillion?"... From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Jul 18 06:04:50 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:04:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: Animals - Chas Chandler In-Reply-To: <31EE0B2D.125@eunet.no> Message-ID: Just read in this morning papers of the death of Chas Chandler, bassist with The Animals and manager of Jimi Hendrix. Dave From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jul 18 11:13:15 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:13:15 BST Subject: Covers Tapes: Thanks!! Message-ID: > > The Spacemen 3 song "Revolution" - is it actually a HW song, or does it > just sound like one?? I have the very same song on an early Mudhoney EP > from about '88 or so called "Hate The Police" - same lyrics, same tune, > but no credits. Who actually wrote this song - was it Hawkwind (there > appears some non-HW stuff on the covers tapes)...or Mudhoney....or > Spacemen 3??? I believe Spacemen 3's "Playing with Fire" came out in '88 > as well. > It is originally a Spaceman 3 song which Mudhoney covered and added thier own lyrics to. I beleive the Mudhoney EP it was on was an Australian 12", or so it says on my copy. IMHO, the Mudhoney version is better and a lot heavier. bye - Rob From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Thu Jul 18 11:07:21 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:07:21 U Subject: OFF: Animals - Chas Chandler Message-ID: >Just read in this morning papers of the death of Chas Chandler, bassist >with The Animals and manager of Jimi Hendrix. Report from the Daily Mirror follows. Veteran rocker Chas Chandler - bass guitarist with the 60's group The Animals - died from a suspected heart attack yesterday. He was 57. The star died in his sleep at Newcastle upon Tyne General Hospital where he had been undergoing tests. He had been ill for two months. Chandler was a founder member of The Animals whose biggest hit, House of the Rising Sun, made No.1 in June 1964. After the group split, he became manager of guitarist Jimi Hendrix. He then launched the British band, Slade, who regularly topped the charts in the 70's. Later, Chandler - a father of four wed to former Miss UK Madeline Stringer - helped found Newcastle's ?1.5million Arena concert centre. Former Slade singer Noddy Holder said yesterday: "I'm shocked. I saw Chas two weeks ago. He looked fine." Cheers, Rich. ** All I want for Christmas is a Dukla Prague away kit ** From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Jul 18 11:11:44 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:11:44 BST Subject: I'm Here In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:30:02 -0400 Message-ID: > After the Brixton show we were literally taken under the Hawkwind wing. Did they come front of stage to find you, or what? > The guys in the band were genuinely touched that we travelled such great > distances to see them. Yep it was the ole red carpet treatment the entire > tour, backstage passes, offers of crash space, transportation--the whole nine > yards. I was thrilled . I am jealous ;-). Tell us some more stories, please! Dave. From djve at DEAKIN.EDU.AU Thu Jul 18 06:18:59 1996 From: djve at DEAKIN.EDU.AU (David Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 20:18:59 +1000 Subject: HW: NEWS FLASH !!!! Message-ID: OH, sob. Well when I've got enough coin I'll go to the UK. In the meantime I'll remain envious of all who have seen HW live. David J Strobridge wrote: > Andy Gilham writes: > > Yeah - but I think the problem is that the band has said in the past > that every time they tour the States they *lose* money and end up > paying for the trip themselves which is why they don't (or didn't) do > US tours. A profitable marketing venture of some (any!) kind seems to > be needed if they are going to make it pay and it seems a pity to pass > up a good opportunity, especially if that leads to a loss of revenue. > > jill > > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Thu Jul 18 08:02:22 1996 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:02:22 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkfan12 Message-ID: In message ID <9607161754.aa06036 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo> on 16/07/96, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion L wrote: BDL> I see Hawkwind are playing at Carnac (Brittany) on August 17th - no BDL> shortage of standing stones there! Not brittany, but a village near Clermont Ferrand for the "Free Wheels " festival Olivier - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 18 06:40:57 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:40:57 +0100 Subject: Brixton tape update In-Reply-To: <31ED634E.4615@erols.com> from "SKARSOL" at Jul 17, 96 10:03:58 pm Message-ID: > > Despite continuing delays and procrastination I'm getting closer > > to getting the Amazing BOC-L Brixton Sing-Along tapes ready to go. > > Bernard has forced me into action ;) > > There's a bit more than 10 minutes of space left--I can pop on > > some Bevis Frond live material OR people can risk some cuts from my > > demo tape, whichever they prefer ..... I'm afriad I haven't really > > got much else that makes acceptable filler material with me ...== > > could someone please tell us what this is about? carl? > or is this a private matter? rj Oh, this is the cassette recording I made at the Brixton show. When I announced I had made it on the list I got swamped with requests for copies and only Bernhard's persistent nagging as kept me going with preparing to make copies ;) I've dubbed it the boc-l sing-along version since it was made in a knot of boc-l folk down at the front who can often be heard singing along with the songs, amazingly in key and getting the lyrics right, despite their obvious enebriation--even on Aerospaceage Inferno ;) Occasional commentary on song choice is also featured. I've about got to the point when I can make people copies and was just asking about what I should fill the space with--it's about an 110 minute show on 2 60min tapes. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Jul 18 11:41:29 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:41:29 BST Subject: Hawkwind in the UK. In-Reply-To: Julian Christou's message of Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:08:23 -0600 Message-ID: > Anyhow back to HW. Any idea what there tour dates are for later thius > year. I'll be in Munich from Aug 1 til Dec 31 approx and wondered when > they'll be playing the continent or also back home in the UK? They're headlining a festival in Devon on July 27th. I think they often play a Winter solstice gig in London. It's usually at the Forum, which is a better venue than Brixton Academy (smaller, better sound). Dunno whether they will this year. Dave. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 18 06:33:39 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:33:39 +0100 Subject: HW : Hawkfrendz on tour In-Reply-To: <1D3280E10D6@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: Just thought I'd remind any London based BOC-Lers that the Comic Mart on this Sunday 21 July at the TUC Congress Centre, Great Russell St., nearly opposite The British Museum, Nearest tube Tottenham Court Road, will have 3 or 4 (or 5 who knows!) stalls by Hawkfrendz, Hawkeye, Hawkfan etc, of Hawkwind CD's, T-shirts, rarities for sale etc. They'll also be a Bob Calvert Photo Appreciation by Trev Hughes (I believe). There's a rumour Alan Davey might put in an appearance to do a spot of signing etc. Admission is free! Doors open 12.00 noon. My wife is going to the Phoenix festival (just for the Sat.) it's my turn to look after the kids (after Brixton!) so I might be late, or even (gasp!) not make it, but I'm sure going to try! So I ask again, is there any specific treasure any youse Hawkfans would like me to grab, if I see? please include "pay no more than" guidelines if poss. I definately owe you guys a favour after recieving the wonderful covers tapes! -- Jon Browne From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 18 12:45:22 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:45:22 BST Subject: Brixton tape update In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:40:57 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > Despite continuing delays and procrastination I'm getting closer > > > to getting the Amazing BOC-L Brixton Sing-Along tapes ready to go. > > > Bernard has forced me into action ;) > > > There's a bit more than 10 minutes of space left--I can pop on > > > some Bevis Frond live material OR people can risk some cuts from my > > > demo tape, whichever they prefer ..... I'm afriad I haven't really > > > got much else that makes acceptable filler material with me ...== > > > > could someone please tell us what this is about? carl? > > or is this a private matter? rj > > Oh, this is the cassette recording I made at the Brixton show. > When I announced I had made it on the list I got swamped with requests > for copies and only Bernhard's persistent nagging as kept me going > with preparing to make copies ;) > I've dubbed it the boc-l sing-along version since it was made in > a knot of boc-l folk down at the front who can often be heard singing > along with the songs, amazingly in key and getting the lyrics right, > despite their obvious enebriation--even on Aerospaceage Inferno ;) > Occasional commentary on song choice is also featured. > > I've about got to the point when I can make people copies and > was just asking about what I should fill the space with--it's about an > 110 minute show on 2 60min tapes. The music from the US TV show was about that long wasn't it? FoFP From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Jul 18 03:56:37 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 07:56:37 +0000 Subject: I'm Here Message-ID: Dave Berry wrote: > > > After the Brixton show we were literally taken under the Hawkwind wing. > > Did they come front of stage to find you, or what? as a matter of fact,they did!but we lost them at that gig.it wasn't until the next night we actually hooked up!they said;'where the hell were you guys,we came back to get you and you were gone!' > > The guys in the band were genuinely touched that we travelled such great > > distances to see them. Yep it was the ole red carpet treatment the entire > > tour, backstage passes, offers of crash space, transportation--the whole nine > > yards. I was thrilled . > > I am jealous ;-). > > Tell us some more stories, please! maybe bill can remember some,it seems a dream to me! rj > Dave. From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Jul 18 08:06:10 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:06:10 +0200 Subject: HW: Love in Space CD Message-ID: Hi there The LIS CD was recorded in Bristol, Colston Hall, 19.10.1996 Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Jul 18 08:06:08 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:06:08 +0200 Subject: HW: Live 17.07.1996 in Germany Message-ID: Hi folks Yesterday was a phantastic evening !!! Me and a friend arrived after driving 10 minutes by car at the Schacht 8 venue. The band was in the hall checking their instruments We had the opportunity to talk alot with all band members and had a real good time. Dave and Ron were in a real good mood. Richard did his job phantastic and Alan played his bass like a 6 string guitar The band played for about 105 minutes and enjoyed their playing. I stood infront of the stage and had the chance to make some good pictures. Here is the track listing of this evening: -only one new track. (AWAKENING) 17.07.1996, MARL, SCHACHT 8 (Germany) abducted / psi power / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent Bernhard From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jul 18 13:17:31 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:17:31 BST Subject: HW: Dancers Message-ID: I went to the Bristol Community Festival at the weekend, amongst the bands I saw was a local techno act called Mammal. They had five dancers and amongst them were the two girls who danced on the last HW tour. They were even wearing the same costumes and doing the same routines. BTW....Mammal were excellent, as were Citizen Fish and Lush. bye - Rob From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Jul 18 08:21:10 1996 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:21:10 -0400 Subject: BOC: Reaper on *another* soundtrack Message-ID: >From: Lurking Girl >'The company [MCA/Universal] is also bowing "The Frighteners", with music >composed by Danny Elfman. The mostly instrumental disc will also boast a >remake of Blue Oyster Cult's "Don't Fear the Reaper", performed by New >Zealand's Mutton Birds.' >(To make it more reassuring *ahem*, the movie is a sort of horror/comedy >starring Michael J. Fox as an exorcist of sorts--he doesn't banish ghosts >with bell, book, and candle, he seems to ignore them until they get >bored. Or something. The preview wasn't real specific, go figure.) >Mutton Birds. Riiiight. Anyone heard of these noodles? What kind of >travesty might we be in for, here...? Ah, but what is reassuring is that the movie is directed by Peter Jackson who was responsible for _Dead Alive_, _Heavenly Creatures_, and _Meet The Feebles_. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Jul 18 08:44:32 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:44:32 +0200 Subject: HW just up the street Message-ID: Awhile back people were comparing how close they had lived to a Hawkwind gig - well, when I saw them in Oslo in 1991, they played about a 15 minute walk away from my apartment! That's all, Christian (waiting to leave work so I can listen to the HW covers tape on my walkman on the bus home...) From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Jul 18 09:20:38 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:20:38 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <960717192415_158460803@emout14.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jul 17, 96 07:24:43 pm Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > Steve said > > >"Most" people absolutely and totally don't give a shit about this > >stuff (heck, I only give a damn about it because it would get Hawkwind > >in front of a decently large U.S. audience). The promoter they hired > >is going to fuck it up, because the limited audience that would be > >interested in the event for the s/f (call it paranormal if you must) > >connection are typically not going to be fans of dance club music. > > I think it's a bit premature to say they're going to "fuck it up" on the > strength of one name they've been reported as considering. He wants big name stars, he specifically mentioned Sheryl Crowe, who is a bubble gum pop star. Extrapolate. Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Jul 18 09:36:00 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:36:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: SF in Rock Music FAQ - where? In-Reply-To: <9607171735.A18835@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Jul 17, 96 05:35:06 pm Message-ID: cjohnson writes: > > Where can I download a copy of the "Science Fiction in Rock Music" > FAQ? This sounds like something I'd like a copy of... > Thanks. I guess the obvious place to find it would be in news.answers. I know it's still being posted, because I bumped into it recently while reading news... but I can't for the life of me remember what group. Steve swann at panix.com From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 18 14:57:22 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:57:22 BST Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:20:38 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > Andy Gilham writes: > > > > Steve said > > > > >"Most" people absolutely and totally don't give a shit about this > > >stuff (heck, I only give a damn about it because it would get Hawkwind > > >in front of a decently large U.S. audience). The promoter they hired > > >is going to fuck it up, because the limited audience that would be > > >interested in the event for the s/f (call it paranormal if you must) > > >connection are typically not going to be fans of dance club music. > > > > I think it's a bit premature to say they're going to "fuck it up" on the > > strength of one name they've been reported as considering. > > He wants big name stars, he specifically mentioned Sheryl Crowe, who > is a bubble gum pop star. Extrapolate. Glastonbury Festival tends to have quite a few big name stars and it's not widely known as one of the festival circuit's great failures. > Steve FoFP From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jul 18 15:15:50 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:15:50 BST Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: > >"Most" people absolutely and totally don't give a shit about this > >stuff (heck, I only give a damn about it because it would get Hawkwind > >in front of a decently large U.S. audience). The promoter they hired > >is going to fuck it up, because the limited audience that would be > >interested in the event for the s/f (call it paranormal if you must) > >connection are typically not going to be fans of dance club music. Not necessarily, in the UK HW seem to be the only non-dance act to use the Alien thing. Trance/hardcore/Goa techno all seem to have used Alien/Sci-fi imagery at some point or other. bye - Rob From tori at PANIX.COM Thu Jul 18 10:28:25 1996 From: tori at PANIX.COM (Lurking Girl) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:28:25 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <9607181457.aa23452@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: FoFP wrote: > Stephen Swann writes: > > He wants big name stars, he specifically mentioned Sheryl Crowe, who > > is a bubble gum pop star. Extrapolate. > > Glastonbury Festival tends to have quite a few big name stars and it's > not widely known as one of the festival circuit's great failures. Erm, I think you missed the emphasis there....it's not that the agent is looking for big name stars, it's WHICH big name stars. Tori From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Jul 18 11:06:03 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:06:03 -0400 Subject: HW: was covers...now AD/VDGG In-Reply-To: <31EE0B2D.125@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jul 18, 96 12:00:13 pm Message-ID: Christian notices... > > Now I'm going totally off, but I've noticed that both Amon Duul UK and > Van Der Graaf Generator have recorded "Olaf (Where's my $20.000?)" on > compilations ("Air on a Shoestring" and "Now and Then"). This must be > the same song! I like both bands, but have heard neither song, but I > presume VDGG must have done it first since they broke up in the late > 70s. Now if it were a co-incidence, I suppose it could be like a 1 in > 1000000000000000000 chance, but..... > > Anybody? OK, I didn't know this about that track, but I have the Airs on a Shoestring CD which has the Olaf track on it. It's a real nice 15 minute improv-type jam, similar in style to the One moments anger.... piece on Hawk meets Penguin (it's also on the Airs CD). It (Olaf) makes the CD worth having-the Julie Waring vocals on the other tracks are too much to take. Anyway, the connection must certainly be because Guy Evans was the Amon Duul (UK) drummer. So I guess that VDGG *did* in fact do the song originally - I don't remember what the writing credits are, or even if they're listed on the disc/liner notes. I'll check. On this topic, does anyone here know what the Hawk and Penguin references are for Amon Duul (UK)?? Long after Hawk meets Penguin came out, they did the Die Losung album with Bob Calvert. On the liner notes, it lists at the top, Hawk and then Penguin, before listing the rest of the musicians. I've always assumed that 'Hawk' was Dave Anderson, and "Penguin" was John Weinzierl, but I'm just guessing. I don't even know if Weinzierl was around at that point. Keith H. (FAA) > PS! Oh yeah, they just showed the episode of the Young Ones over here > where Neil indeed says "Why can't they play some Hawkwind or > Marillion?"... Yeah, I remember that one. There was also the one where Motorhead performed, but my favourite episode is the one where Neil cuts off half his hair, and become a policeman. During a drug bust, he's seen dragging a needle across a poor unsuspecting vinyl record, before annoucing, 'Oh wow, Steve Hillage.' I thought that was cool. (I think it was Electric Gypsises playing if I remember correctly.) From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jul 18 11:17:44 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:17:44 -0400 Subject: I'm Here Message-ID: In a message dated 96-07-18 07:58:49 EDT, you write: >maybe bill can remember some,it seems a dream to me! rj Here's one. We are in Amsterdam about 10AM, the morning of the HW gig. My wife and I have just hooked up with RJ and Karyn again ( we travelled to Amsterdam seperately-RJ and Karyn by plane, me and Bev by train hydrofoil-train) . We finished breakfast at a coffeeshop and were strolling thru some back streets when the girls decide to do a little shopping. RJ and myself were not really inclined to shop so we were just standing in the middle of this medieval sort of street when we spot these two large posters advertising the HW gig in Germany. So we are standing there reading these posters, stoned, when out of the corner of my eye I see an arm reach out and grab RJ by the neck, rather violently, I'm thinking, here we go, big fight, night in jail, thrown out of country, miss HW gig, until I look up and see the arm belongs to Ron Tree. Here we are in a foreign country, to see HW, reading HW posters on a wall, and HW's lead singer is standing right there next to us--fuckin amazin:-))))). One problem I am having is trying to explain to people what we did on our vacation. It is pretty much like this: Arrive in London, get 2 Hrs sleep go to a HW gig. Get up the next day, go to a Hw gig. Get up the next day, go to another HW gig. Get up the next day, go to another HW gig. Get up early the next day take obligatory sight seeing pictures (skip a HW gig) go back to hotel read over back issues of Hawkfrendz, sleep for 10 HRs get up early catch transportation to Holland to see another HW gig. if it were not for one day of picture taking no one would believe I went to Europe. The next HW tour I will follow the RJ sight seeing itinerary--- which is -- if it don't have anything to do with HW, Fuck it! I will post further observations I made during the trip at a latter date. Right now I have alot of business catching up to do. I should have left my cat in charge of the business, I would have been better off. regards, Bill 'back to normal" Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jul 18 11:21:46 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:21:46 -0400 Subject: HW: Dancers Message-ID: In a message dated 96-07-18 08:16:06 EDT, you write: >amongst them were the two girls who danced on > the last HW tour. They were even wearing the same costumes and > doing the same routines. Hmmmmmmmm..... the dancers.. I could have been persuaded to stow away with that lot..... Hmmmmmmmmmmm the dancers. Very nice girls.... Hmmmmmmmmm regards, Bill ' wife no where in sight as I post this' Stewart PS to Karyn "loose lips sink ships" hmmmmmmmm the dancers From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Jul 18 11:33:05 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:33:05 +0200 Subject: wasAD/VDGG:now YOUNG ONES!! Message-ID: Keith A Henderson wrote: > >(long informative piece deleted) > > PS! Oh yeah, they just showed the episode of the Young Ones over here > > where Neil indeed says "Why can't they play some Hawkwind or > > Marillion?"... > > Yeah, I remember that one. There was also the one where Motorhead performed, > but my favourite episode is the one where Neil cuts off half his hair, and > become a policeman. During a drug bust, he's seen dragging a needle across a > poor unsuspecting vinyl record, before annoucing, 'Oh wow, Steve Hillage.' I > thought that was cool. (I think it was Electric Gypsises playing if I remember > correctly.) Yeah, they showed that one last week - hilarious. I hadn't seen the show for at least 10 years (I'm 24) so it's a thrill to appreciate alot of the subtle references and stuff I didn't pick up on in those days... Motorhead did "Ace of Spades" on the episode where Vyv gets his head cut off when they are on a train on the way to a game-show.... Christian From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Jul 18 07:41:55 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:41:55 +0000 Subject: Brixton tape update Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Carl E. Anderson writes: I've about got to the point when I can make people copies and > > was just asking about what I should fill the space with--it's about an > > 110 minute show on 2 60min tapes. > > The music from the US TV show was about that long wasn't it?i believe it was more like 26 minutes. rj ps. could i get a copy? please?pretty please? rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Jul 18 07:47:05 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:47:05 +0000 Subject: HW : Hawkfrendz on tour Message-ID: any one who goes to this...would you please say hello to trevor for me? rj From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Jul 18 12:24:28 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:24:28 -0400 Subject: OFF: Also dead, original Styx drummer Message-ID: More dead people today! The obit for the original Styx drummer today also should clear up just why the band (without him--he was already suffering from the complications of longterm alcoholism) headlined over BOC on the oldies circuit this summer-- they not only put out four (count 'em) successive triple platinum albums in their heyday (immediately selling more than BOC did in their entire career) but had reformed without Tommy Shaw for a successful comeback album and headlining (ie, bigtime concert-not backwater bars) tour in the '90s. From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Jul 18 12:34:49 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:34:49 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <9607181457.aa23452@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jul 18, 96 02:57:22 pm Message-ID: > > Steve said: > > > >is going to fuck it up, because the limited audience that would be > > > >interested in the event for the s/f (call it paranormal if you must) > > > >connection are typically not going to be fans of dance club music. > > Andy Gilham writes: > > > I think it's a bit premature to say they're going to "fuck it up" on the > > > strength of one name they've been reported as considering. > Stephen Swann writes: > > He wants big name stars, he specifically mentioned Sheryl Crowe, who > > is a bubble gum pop star. Extrapolate. M Holmes writes: > Glastonbury Festival tends to have quite a few big name stars and it's > not widely known as one of the festival circuit's great failures. Ok, ok, so I didn't clearly define my terms. I don't mean that that festival is going to be a failure, from a financial perspective. What I mean is that from a Hawkwind-centric viewpoint, it's not going to be much use to them. Getting shuffled onto stage B to be ignored while everybody shakes their booty to Cheryl Crowe is not what Hawkwind really needs at this stage of their career. I mean, the crowd that will be attracted by THAT kind of headlining act would probably mistake Hawkwind for the festival's "alien freaks" exhibit. Come to think of it, that Hawkwind / Monster Magnet tour we were discussing a while back would probably do them more good in the U.S. than a pop festival. MM is pretty big stuff these days. I bet a lot of their fans don't know Hawkwind, but would like the Hawks a lot, if they ever heard them. Steve swann at panix.com From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jul 18 12:36:55 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:36:55 -0400 Subject: HW: was covers...now AD/VDGG Message-ID: Keith asked > I've always >assumed that 'Hawk' was Dave Anderson, and "Penguin" was John Weinzierl, but >I'm just guessing. I'm virtually certain this is the case. Either that, or vice versa anyway :) For instance, Julian Cope says in _Krautrocksampler_: "In the early '80s. Dave Anderson and John Weinzierl... formed a new Amon Duul with no number after it. Remember that this is an entirely different scene based in North Wales (!). The LPs released were _Hawk Meets Penguin_ [etc]", (although he doesn't specifically mention _Die Losung_). BTW, this gives me an opportunity to pug my now quite respectable Amon Duul web page, http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham/ad2.htm - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jul 18 12:43:37 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:43:37 -0400 Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: Actually, a festival I might have expected to see Hawkwind involved with is this Saturday's "Day for Tibet" at Alexandra Palace, London (12 noon - 7pm). Sinead O'Connor is the Sheryl Crow figure involved, also David Gilmour and various Tibetan and other acts. - Andy ObCassette: Various Artists: _Music and Songs of Tibet_ From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jul 18 12:50:29 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:50:29 -0400 Subject: HW: HW + MM In-Reply-To: <199607181634.MAA08142@phantom.mindvox.com> Message-ID: Steve writes: > Come to think of it, that Hawkwind / Monster Magnet tour we were > discussing a while back would probably do them more good in the > U.S. than a pop festival. MM is pretty big stuff these days. I bet a > lot of their fans don't know Hawkwind, but would like the Hawks a lot, > if they ever heard them. Yeah, especially if the Hawks join MM on stage for a 23 minute jam on "Brainstorm." But then again, "Brainstorm" is a "Turner song" so maybe HW wouldn't like doing that. And of course there's the problem of HW blowing MM off the stage and embarrassing them with their sheer BLANGA superiority... :-) Cheers, Paul. (who actually thinks it's a great idea) e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "Cookie enlarged to show texture" --- Discreet warning tucked away on bag of biscuits From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Thu Jul 18 13:10:16 1996 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:10:16 -0400 Subject: BOC: palm slashing Message-ID: Theo writes: > Also negative on the pro-pot rap, though I liked his > preamble about writing to 'Mr. Carter in Wash...sign it 'Dear > Jimmy...' Is it the content or delivery of the message that you're opposed to? I personally wish more people from the rock world had the balls to speak out on government laws targeting recreational drug users. Chris From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 18 12:23:09 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:23:09 +0100 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <199607172105.RAA16927@phantom.mindvox.com> Message-ID: In message <199607172105.RAA16927 at phantom.mindvox.com>, Stephen Swann writes >Uh, Jon, don't you run a comic shop? Using the patrons of your shop >as a sample of the "general populace" is going to give you a really >skewed result. :-) > You're absolutely right, it does and I wouldn't pretend otherwise. What's more I'm in the UK so I couldn't possibly comment about the US public *but* I still reckon this so called _fringe_ interest is in fact a mainstream pre-occupation and has been for years, too. When I see the yardage given over to X-Files and other UFO-related merchendise in record shops (that don't usually carry books) like HMV, this has to imply a large audience. Maybe I'm missing something, is the X-Files like _huge_ in the US? (BTW I find the show utterly dull, sorry) >"Most" people absolutely and totally don't give a shit about this >stuff (heck, I only give a damn about it because it would get Hawkwind >in front of a decently large U.S. audience). I don't care because I've believed in Aliens for so long now I don't even think about it and secondly, even if they landed in Washington, I'd still have to go to work in the morning and I'd still have to pay my mortgage! > The promoter they hired >is going to fuck it up, because the limited audience that would be >interested in the event for the s/f (call it paranormal if you must) >connection are typically not going to be fans of dance club music. > >I am tempted to to copy the "Science Fiction in Rock Music" FAQ to the >promoter of this event. It has a sizable Hawkwind entry (penned by >me) and an *enormous* Hawkwind footnote, added independantly by Mike >Holmes. It quite rightly names Hawkwind the all-time consensus champs >of s/f oriented rock. Such an official looking document, DOWNLOADED >HOT off the INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY, just might have enough buzz to >make even an obvious dimwit like him sit up and take notice. > This sounds like a really good idea, actually. Really, Steve do it. He might not even be a complete prick, you never know. He just hasn't heard of Hawkwind. I mean, I can understand that the guys want to make money. It's not the first thing on my mind but I'm old enough to understand how things work. I'm sure as well as getting the "real superstars" he will understand that a Roswell festival should have, like, a bit of a theme! Impress upon the guy that not *every* artist has to be a superstar like Sheryl, that the event has a mix of acts, some which draw the crowds and some which are highly related and will thrill and entertain, not to mention ROCK, anyone put in front of them ! OK maybe they won't draw a huge crowd but they'll sure as hell impress anyone who does see them. -- Jon Browne From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Jul 18 14:27:49 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:27:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Cover Project: Thank you's Message-ID: On 15-JUL-1996 17:37:05.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 Just read today in the Skinhead Bible that a racist skin group called Skullhead covered "Silver Machine". As to whether or not there's an actual recording of it, it doesn't say... They're British. Might be an addition to the cover-tapes project, if they're ever updated... Chuck `[1;32;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Jul 18 14:28:04 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:28:04 -0500 Subject: HW: Cover Project: Thank you's Message-ID: On 15-JUL-1996 23:26:30.1 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> >> Allan T Grohe Jr writes: >> >> > On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, Johan Edlundh wrote: >> > >> > > >covers online; and to gman for beginning the thread that led to >the > > > >project about a year ago (a year ago...wow). >> > > >> > > this is the first item in my cover mailbox - and I'm 99.9% >positive thi s is >> > > the reply to the original post. >> > > almost 15 months ago... >> > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------- >> > > From: M Holmes >> > > Subject: Re: Suffacox 7" >> > > >> > > Wertyq2 at aol.com writes: >> > > >> > > > local philly band Suffacox recently released a great 7", the >b-side b eing >> > > > Orgone Accumulator. >> > > >> > > Want to pick up one for me and I'll try to find a Hawkwind 7" to >trade > > > for it? >> > > >> > > FoFP >> > > ------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Ooops. Sorry Mike ;-) >> > >> > Allan. >> > >> >> Ah - you mean to say it was all Mike Holmes' fault! So where was >Steve,,, ,? >> >> jill >hey, i remember this--i picked up the suffacox 7" for someone... >mike, jill? and was immediately approached by a friendly guy >on the street remarking about what a great HW cover the >suffacox do (this sort of thing seems to happen almost everytime >i buy HW stuff in philly...does this happen to anyone else?) NO! Never. And it never will... Chuck `[1;31;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 18 13:14:25 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:14:25 +0100 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <9607181457.aa23452@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9607181457.aa23452 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >Glastonbury Festival tends to have quite a few big name stars and it's >not widely known as one of the festival circuit's great failures. > >> Steve > >FoFP Yeah, but it's big names are still indie/alternate/way cool or _something_ ! Not Sheryl Crow or...who were those kiddie rappers who wore their pants on backwards? Kris Kros? Daddy Mack and Mack Daddy or something equally nauseating! Besides...who goes to Glasto for the bands anyway? :) -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 18 13:40:03 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:40:03 +0100 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <199607181634.MAA08142@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jul 18, 96 12:34:49 pm Message-ID: > Come to think of it, that Hawkwind / Monster Magnet tour we were > discussing a while back would probably do them more good in the > U.S. than a pop festival. MM is pretty big stuff these days. I bet a > lot of their fans don't know Hawkwind, but would like the Hawks a lot, > if they ever heard them. Agreed, but to really hook the MM fans Dave is going to need to set his guitar tone for that heavy-as-a-singularity sound of Doremi! ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 18 13:43:34 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:43:34 +0100 Subject: HW: HW + MM In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jul 18, 96 12:50:29 pm Message-ID: > Yeah, especially if the Hawks join MM on stage for a 23 minute jam on > "Brainstorm." But then again, "Brainstorm" is a "Turner song" so maybe HW > wouldn't like doing that. Unless Turner--now in the DS camp, after all!--were also on the tour and joined them. Yeesh, I bet Dave Wyndorf would about wet his pants ;) Oh the other hand, I'd settle for "Born to Go". Dave W told us last year they had rehersed it but not performed it live ... > And of course there's the problem of HW blowing > MM off the stage and embarrassing them with their sheer BLANGA > superiority... :-) In which case not only is the heavy-as-a-singularity guitar tone got to be resurrected, but the canned between song instrumentals have got to go as well. Hire Del :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 18 13:52:22 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:52:22 +0100 Subject: BOC: palm slashing In-Reply-To: <9607181639.AA6673@worldcom-47.worldcom.com> from "Chris Baxley" at Jul 18, 96 01:10:16 pm Message-ID: > > Also negative on the pro-pot rap, though I liked his > > preamble about writing to 'Mr. Carter in Wash...sign it 'Dear > > Jimmy...' > >Is it the content or delivery of the message that you're opposed to? >I personally wish more people from the rock world had the balls to speak out on >government laws targeting recreational drug users. Well, I had no qualms with either the pro-pot message or the abolish the speed limit message. The delivery was _way_ cheesy though--but that's why I always enjoyed that section. It was just *so* 70s-cheesy. This comes from many a night sitting in the basement of Dunster House at Harvard with Tox and others viewing it under various states of inebriation and sleep deprivation. It was a scream everytime :) The amazing posing from Eric throughout that video is incredible. Utterly fab. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Jul 18 14:51:05 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:51:05 EST Subject: OFF: help calling C&D in UK from USA Message-ID: Help! I know somebody out there already does this on a regular basis, perhaps you can drop me a quick Email to tell me how? I am trying to fax a request for latest catalog(s) to C&D, now the new home of Andy Garibaldi(?). I need the country code (actually the full number would be great) when calling from the USA. The number posted by Jill is 01382 736702. However, just prefixing this with "011" does not do the job. Please reply, either public or private. Thanks! Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Thu Jul 18 13:55:08 1996 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:55:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: Sundial, etc. Message-ID: If anyone's still interested, the latest catalog from Midnight Records in NY (web page www.midnightrecords.com, tel. # 212-675-2768) lists the following Sundial CD's: Fazer $9.99 Exploding in your Mind $9.99 (I ordered this for the title alone...) Libertine $19.99 Reflecter $19.99 Other Way Out $19.99 Live Drug $17.99 Return Journey $19.99 This catalog is huge. I also ordered stuff by the Cozmic Corridors ('73 German band), Electric Orange, Banana Splits (theme music from the innocently psychedelic '60s kids show) and a Bonzo Dog Band box set. Has anyone else received the new Laser's Edge Catalog? OD'd on music itself, Chris From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 18 13:55:35 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:55:35 +0100 Subject: Brixton tape update In-Reply-To: <9607181245.aa04379@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jul 18, 96 12:45:22 pm Message-ID: > > > > There's a bit more than 10 minutes of space left--I can pop on > > > > some Bevis Frond live material OR people can risk some cuts from my > > > > demo tape, whichever they prefer ..... I'm afriad I haven't really > > > > got much else that makes acceptable filler material with me ...== > > I've about got to the point when I can make people copies and > > was just asking about what I should fill the space with--it's about an > > 110 minute show on 2 60min tapes. > > The music from the US TV show was about that long wasn't it? Possibly--I haven't got it! But I could send a copy of the Brixton show to someone who does and they could add it to the end of the cassettes :) Then people could bother _them_ for copies ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jul 18 13:59:45 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:59:45 -0400 Subject: BOC: palm slashing Message-ID: Chris responding to Theo: >> Also negative on the pro-pot rap, though I liked his > preamble about writing to 'Mr. Carter in Wash...sign it 'Dear > Jimmy...' Is it the content or delivery of the message that you're opposed to? I personally wish more people from the rock world had the balls to speak out on government laws targeting recreational drug users. Why should the rock world speak out against these particular laws? Sure, maybe there are lots of recreational drug users among musicians and their fans (and I'm not trying to say that all rock musicians/fans are), but the people in the rock world, IMHO, need to stick to putting out music - just 'cuz Eric Bloom may have smoked dope (an assumption on my part - but if I was a betting man...) doesn't mean he is more qualified to speak out on such laws than some non-musician who has (BTW - I'm not trying to turn this into a question of whether or not Bloom is a "musician"). And, even if you don't agree, and feel that musicians should speak out on these laws, do you think the U.S. Government is going to pay alot of attention to rock stars speaking out to support drug use? Of course, perhaps my opinions are clouded by the fact that I'm not a recreational drug user (not counting alchohol). But - to each his/her own. John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 18 14:10:16 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:10:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: Sundial, etc. In-Reply-To: <9607181608.AA2343@worldcom-45.worldcom.com> from "Chris Baxley" at Jul 18, 96 01:55:08 pm Message-ID: > Other Way Out $19.99 > Return Journey $19.99 Everyone should run right out and buy these regardless of cost. Very rare, and very good the both of them (though I still like _Return Journey_ best! :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 18 11:38:30 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:38:30 +0100 Subject: Covers Tapes: Thanks!! In-Reply-To: <31EE0B2D.125@eunet.no> Message-ID: In message <31EE0B2D.125 at eunet.no>, Christian Mumford writes >Mark Arm of Mudhoney once said in an interview that HW's "In Search of >Space" is one of his top 3 all time records.... He must be quite a fan then because in Guitarist magazine he said _Doremi_ was one of his top three records. Wonder what the other one was then :) Probably 8-Way Santa by Tad :) -- Jon Browne From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 18 15:25:52 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:25:52 EST Subject: BOC: palm slashing Message-ID: > > Theo writes: > > > Also negative on the pro-pot rap, though I liked his > > preamble about writing to 'Mr. Carter in Wash...sign it 'Dear > > Jimmy...' > > Is it the content or delivery of the message that you're opposed to? > I personally wish more people from the rock world had the balls to speak out on > government laws targeting recreational drug users. > > Chris No, th emessage is great (hell I was ripped as hell every time I heard it), but he tended to ramble a bit. Way too long and unfocused. I'm thinking of the version on 'Live 76.' I've hear other versions of the pot rap that were pretty good... theo From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Jul 18 15:34:06 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:34:06 EST Subject: OFF: Sundial, etc. Message-ID: Just got off the phone with Midnight Records, and they do *not* have Sundial 'Other Way Out' in stock right now. Apparently their catalog lists every item available to them; in stock is another question entirely... :-( Still, their selection appears to be pretty comprehensive for some groups. I have ordered from Midnight Recs before, and found them to be reputable. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisc.harris.com From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jul 18 15:03:46 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:03:46 -0400 Subject: HW: HW + MM Message-ID: Carl said > Oh the other hand, I'd settle for "Born to Go". Dave W told us >last year they had rehersed it but not performed it live ... Whereas HW would play it live, but not rehearse it :) - Andy From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Jul 18 15:12:53 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:12:53 -0400 Subject: Covers Tapes: Thanks!! In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Jul 18, 96 04:38:30 pm Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > > In message <31EE0B2D.125 at eunet.no>, Christian Mumford > writes > >Mark Arm of Mudhoney once said in an interview that HW's "In Search of > >Space" is one of his top 3 all time records.... > > He must be quite a fan then because in Guitarist magazine he said > _Doremi_ was one of his top three records. Wonder what the other one > was then :) Probably 8-Way Santa by Tad :) and that's when I heard/ the most horrible sound/ I ever heard in my life Steve swann at panix.com From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jul 18 15:17:44 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:17:44 -0400 Subject: Covers Tapes: Thanks!! In-Reply-To: <199607181912.PAA12626@phantom.mindvox.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Stephen Swann wrote: > > was then :) Probably 8-Way Santa by Tad :) > > and that's when I heard/ > the most horrible sound/ > I ever heard in my life Help me Jack Pepsi! (Nice illo.) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Jul 18 15:22:00 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:22:00 -0400 Subject: HW: HW + MM In-Reply-To: <960718150345_579678937@emout15.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jul 18, 96 03:03:46 pm Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > Carl said > > > Oh the other hand, I'd settle for "Born to Go". Dave W told us > >last year they had rehersed it but not performed it live ... > > Whereas HW would play it live, but not rehearse it :) The song that disappointed me on the last tour (aside from sticking the ambient bit in the middle of Hassan I Sahba) was "Shouldn't Do That". It's simply NOT the same, minus Nik's saxophone. And even Dave, whose guitar work was otherwise wonderful, wasn't really doing the BLANGA thing, which that song screams out for. Steve swann at panix.com From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 18 16:22:44 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:22:44 EST Subject: musical tortue? Message-ID: > > > > and that's when I heard/ > > the most horrible sound/ > > I ever heard in my life > Wot? Vanilla Ice? theo From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Jul 18 16:45:32 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:45:32 -0500 Subject: Covers Tapes: Thanks!! Message-ID: On 18-JUL-1996 06:02:01.8 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >The Spacemen 3 song "Revolution" - is it actually a HW song, or does it >just sound like one?? I have the very same song on an early Mudhoney EP >from about '88 or so called "Hate The Police" - same lyrics, same tune, >but no credits. Who actually wrote this song - was it Hawkwind (there >appears some non-HW stuff on the covers tapes)...or Mudhoney....or >Spacemen 3??? I believe Spacemen 3's "Playing with Fire" came out in '88 >as well. I've never heard Mudhoney, but on this track, SM3 lift (hmmm...or should I say drop?) the Do That riff. There's also some lyrics that sound like the intro to MC5's KOtJ album... I see one of their CDs all the time, and it also (along w/Revoultion) has covers (actually credited, at that) of MC5's "Starship" and 13th Fl. Elevators' "Rollacoaster". Another question: Airport 75 doing "Brainstorm" -- this is pre-Monster Magnet, right? Chuck `[1;35;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 18 15:57:21 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 20:57:21 +0100 Subject: HW: HW + MM In-Reply-To: <199607181922.PAA12857@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jul 18, 96 03:22:00 pm Message-ID: > The song that disappointed me on the last tour (aside from sticking > the ambient bit in the middle of Hassan I Sahba) was "Shouldn't Do > That". It's simply NOT the same, minus Nik's saxophone. And even > Dave, whose guitar work was otherwise wonderful, wasn't really doing > the BLANGA thing, which that song screams out for. It was too short and too rushed. There should be a law against doing that song without the amazing wah-riff start-up on the live version from the SR tour. That's one of the great moments in music :) I can barely pick up a guitar that has a wah pedal without instinctively trying to play that opening :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Jul 18 16:39:29 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:39:29 -0400 Subject: musical tortue? In-Reply-To: <1E77AD343E5@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr." at Jul 18, 96 03:22:44 pm Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. writes: > > > > > > > and that's when I heard/ > > > the most horrible sound/ > > > I ever heard in my life > > > Wot? Vanilla Ice? ROTFL!!! And I knew/ We'd gone through the/ Vanilla Ice?!?!? Steve swann at panix.com From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Jul 18 17:10:32 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:10:32 -0400 Subject: I'm Here Message-ID: >advertising the HW gig in Germany. So we are standing there reading these >posters, stoned, when out of the corner of my eye I see an arm reach out and >grab RJ by the neck, rather violently, I'm thinking, here we go, big fight, >night in jail, thrown out of country, miss HW gig, until I look up and see >the arm belongs to Ron Tree. WHAT A BASTARD :-) >regards, >Bill 'back to normal" Stewart Martyn From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Jul 18 13:25:53 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:25:53 +0000 Subject: HW: Dancers Message-ID: Bill Stewart wrote: > Hmmmmmmmm..... the dancers.. I could have been persuaded to stow away with > that lot..... Hmmmmmmmmmmm the dancers. Very nice girls.... Hmmmmmmmmm > regards, > Bill ' wife no where in sight as I post this' Stewart > PS to Karyn "loose lips sink ships" hmmmmmmmm the dancers now now,bill. we know you are a happily married man! kj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Jul 18 13:40:45 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:40:45 +0000 Subject: Roswell Festival Update Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > Come to think of it, that Hawkwind / Monster Magnet tour we were > discussing a while back would probably do them more good in the > U.S. than a pop festival. MM is pretty big stuff these days. I bet a > lot of their fans don't know Hawkwind, but would like the Hawks a lot, > if they ever heard them. not sure if i agree with that. i think most mm fans are at least passingly familiar w/ hw,as dave W. has repeatedly expressed his being influenced by hw.as well as the fact that the last tour i saw,they played a loop of space is deep as the intro to the show. (the only real change from the previous tour. i think wyndorf was even wearing the same ratty t shirt.) > Steve > swann at panix.com i am one hundred and ten percent against this.if it happens, i'm out.i don't care for mm as persons,and have seen the same live show seven times on four different tours.i care even less for the crap that goes down at mm shows-ex. helpless girls passing by the outskirts of the mosh pit or whatever,being dragged in against their will and stripped and abused, fights, mall-rat league arseholes galore....etc. not to mention mr. bighead's- i mean mr. wyndorf's f@@@ you attitude. sorry, but i know that monster magnet is a sham as far as who they pretend to be, unlike hw who have never stopped being just people. however, all this,and i still can't bring myself to part with my mm collection. i have to admit the stuff is damn fine listening. apologies to mm fans everywhere,not for my opinions, but for subjecting you to them w/out your asking. just had to get this off'n mah chest. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Jul 18 13:52:02 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:52:02 +0000 Subject: HW: HW + MM Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > > Steve writes: > > > Come to think of it, that Hawkwind / Monster Magnet tour we were > > discussing a while back would probably do them more good in the > > U.S. than a pop festival. MM is pretty big stuff these days. I bet a > > lot of their fans don't know Hawkwind, but would like the Hawks a lot, > > if they ever heard them. > > Yeah, especially if the Hawks join MM on stage for a 23 minute jam on > "Brainstorm." But then again, "Brainstorm" is a "Turner song" so maybe HW > wouldn't like doing that. And of course there's the problem of HW blowing > MM off the stage and embarrassing them with their sheer BLANGA > superiority... :-) if i have interpreted the following quote correctly, there is also the problem of convicing wyndorf that hw is competent to play that song with them.when asked to contribute a piece for a tribute album, response was... I quote: "we'd like to do it,but we've got this exclusive major label contract and publishing deal...our new version of the song is better, anyway." dw,new jersey, quoted from assassins of silence hundred watt violence. i understand that he may have meant that they (mm) recorded two ver. of the tune,but i THINK he meant it the other way. feel free to correct me if you have better info. also, i think dave b. would get a little upset w/ dave w. for stumbling all over the equiptment while pretending to be smashed. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Jul 18 14:00:14 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:00:14 +0000 Subject: HW: Cover Project: Thank you's Message-ID: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > > On 15-JUL-1996 17:37:05.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > > Just read today in the Skinhead Bible that a racist skin group called > Skullhead covered "Silver Machine". As to whether or not there's an actual > recording of it, it doesn't say... They're British. > Might be an addition to the cover-tapes project, if they're ever updated... do you mean skinhead as in racist hate mongering scum, or does the term have different meaning in uk?if it is the hate group,i think most of us can live without it.if not,ignore this post. rj From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Jul 18 18:19:32 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:19:32 -0600 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: <67wDPBAxDn7xEwxx@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Hey, CHeryl crow is cool. Maybe not along the same lines as BOC or HW, but her CD (Tues Night Music Club) has some excellent music. Brilliant lyrics. Manuel Alzaga, Jr. Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Jul 18 18:42:24 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:42:24 -0400 Subject: HW: HW + MM Message-ID: > >> The song that disappointed me on the last tour (aside from sticking >> the ambient bit in the middle of Hassan I Sahba) was "Shouldn't Do >> That". It's simply NOT the same, minus Nik's saxophone. And even >> Dave, whose guitar work was otherwise wonderful, wasn't really doing >> the BLANGA thing, which that song screams out for. Are you referring to the part when Richard goes off on the drums for a few minutes? Actually I rather enjoy this version. It gives it more of a Middle Eastern taste. > > It was too short and too rushed. There should be a law against >doing that song without the amazing wah-riff start-up on the live >version from the SR tour. That's one of the great moments in music :) >I can barely pick up a guitar that has a wah pedal without instinctively >trying to play that opening :) > >Cheers, >Carl It was played much to fast and rushed in the last US tour also. Having seen both HW and Nik the same year, and both doing YSDT, Nik's was MUCH better. Duane OBPeeve: On LiS, the beginning of Assassin's is edited and it begins at the Space is Their Palistine part and ends with the end of AoA. Since the cd has plenty of room, why not include the entire song? From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jul 18 17:50:28 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:50:28 +1100 Subject: HW: Carnac (France) gig Message-ID: Gidday All, Has anyone any info about the carnac gig for this guy ? Paul ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:16:06 +0000 From: nico To: Paul Ward Subject: nico from france hello Paul! I've got already no new about the hawkwind 17th August festival in carnac I asked to the official web page but they give me no answer. Have you got any information about it (especially about the real address!) thank you nico -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From ROBOdewd at AOL.COM Thu Jul 18 19:14:31 1996 From: ROBOdewd at AOL.COM (ROBOdewd at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:14:31 -0400 Subject: OFF: Also dead, original Styx drummer Message-ID: In a message dated 96-07-18 12:24:45 EDT, you write: << but had reformed without Tommy Shaw for a successful comeback album and headlining (ie, bigtime concert-not backwater bars) tour in the '90s. >> they did? was that the Mr Roboto era? I thought Styx was washed up when they started putting out that shit..I prefer ancient Styx: Lady, LauraLie etc etc... ROBO From ROBOdewd at AOL.COM Thu Jul 18 19:15:36 1996 From: ROBOdewd at AOL.COM (ROBOdewd at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:15:36 -0400 Subject: BOC: palm slashing Message-ID: In a message dated 96-07-18 13:12:26 EDT, you write: << I personally wish more people from the rock world had the balls to speak out on government laws targeting recreational drug users. >> is this to say that, in your opinion, drugs should be legalized? is that what we Americans need, more freedom to do drugs in a country infected with drugs, hiv, crime and terrorism, among other things? I would applaud people from the rock world to have the balls to speak out against drug use...take a look at the spokespeople for pro-drugs: Cobain, Hoon etc etc... Eric Bloom's comments in Live 76 are dated...different time, different society...20 years later, the same guy who urged people to write that peanut in DC is now watching his fat intake...just like the "free love" era...would these people have promiscuous sex in 1996 like they did 20 + years ago? hell, nowadays ya gotta wrap yourself up in latex and get a blood sample! : } ROBO ROBO From ROBOdewd at AOL.COM Thu Jul 18 19:14:49 1996 From: ROBOdewd at AOL.COM (ROBOdewd at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:14:49 -0400 Subject: BOC: palm slashing Message-ID: In a message dated 96-07-18 14:02:29 EDT, you write: << And, even if you don't agree, and feel that musicians should speak out on these laws, do you think the U.S. Government is going to pay alot of attention to rock stars speaking out to support drug use? in this day where moral values, family values etc etc are being stressed (eg the anti-gay marriage law), I highly doubt any musician is going to be heard by the Gov't...I'll be willing to bet that the majority of musicians haven't the credentials to justify the legalization of drugs legalization of marijuana could benefit other programs thru taxation...marijuana could be sold to those over 21 in a pack of 20 just like cigarettes and taxed to reduce the national debt and finance anti-drug enforcement programs...but, how will this work when ya can't even smoke a cigarette in a damn Denny's anymore! Of course, perhaps my opinions are clouded by the fact that I'm not a recreational drug user (not counting alchohol). what exactly is a "recreational drug user"? hell, when I smoked pot and did all that shit I considered myself a drug user...these people try to make the use of drugs sound less serious by saying "recreational", as if there are certain exceptions or they need some reassurance that what they are doing is ok...who defines the terms of who is recreational and who is a downright junkie?? you and I can tell the difference between Ertyl Mackelschneid that smokes pot once a month and Jimmy the Bed-Ridden Junkie that boots heroin on the hour, every hour...but hey, they're both drug-users...Jimmy's just as recreational as Ertyl, he just does it more often! {and a miracle if he's still alive!!!!} ROBO From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 19 00:14:12 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 00:14:12 BST Subject: HW: Assassins and You Shouldn't In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:22:00 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > The song that disappointed me on the last tour (aside from sticking > the ambient bit in the middle of Hassan I Sahba) Can't understand why people dislike this so much! Hawkwind have been melding different tracks into seamless segues since almost their first album and this is one of their finest. ok - it breaks the flow from a fast hard sound into a quiet reflective ambient mood and back again but this is a fine intelligent piece of construction - from the aggression/ violence of the Assassins through the Arabic trance-scape and out again. There's a tension in the ambient flow (or there should be if it's done well) all the time since you are still aware of the memory of the heavier rock track previously, while waiting - knowing - that it's going to return... any minute... to destroy the tranquility. Brilliant! > was "Shouldn't Do > That". It's simply NOT the same, minus Nik's saxophone. And even > Dave, whose guitar work was otherwise wonderful, wasn't really doing > the BLANGA thing, which that song screams out for. > Again I reckon this track ought to convey more menace than just BLANGA. The vocals need to be kept to a minimum but the insistence of "Shouldn't Do That" as a constant background refrain lends itself well to a modern re-working but, yes, I agree it needs loads of guitar, played fast and with power. It does not however need the tootle of Nik's saxophone any more - that's just memory playing tricks and tho' I'll always rate the original in my top ten tracks (I think I did - perhaps we should repost the poll results one day...?) I'm very happy to listen to a good tight updated version. Reflectivly jill obweather> being warm in Edinburgh. It feels wrong - very wrong. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Jul 18 19:20:26 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:20:26 -0400 Subject: HW: more Roswell/Solstice In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Jul 18, 96 07:10:16 pm Message-ID: Hello again, folks... Well, I've come across a few things on the WWW and thought I'd share them with you all. I searched for info on Roswell, and found the 1996 UFO Festival website. Obviously, it's over now...from the list of events, it didn't seem as though they had any 'music' this year, but then it's merely the '49th' anniversary, and people have this obsession with even-numbered anniversaries, as if multiples of 'ten', 'fifty', or a 'hundred' were truly meaningful (which of course they're not, the decimal system being unnecessary for any mathematics). [Now if it could be shown that the aliens only had, let's say, four appendages on each hand, then presumably they would've used an 'octimal' system, and what we would know as the '64th' anniversary (in 2011) would be the alien's '100th' anniversary, and the big festival should be then. :)] Anyway, I can't tell if these people are involved with next year's big event, but I saw the name Stan Crosby again (with a phone number) - he was on Nightline the other day. Maybe Mr. Rats can give him a call. Here's the contact info for this group anyway.... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ For more information about how you can have a booth during the festival please contact Stan Crosby at 1-505-622-4742. Spaces are limited. Who to Contact Fax: 1-505-624-6870 or 1-800-295-6870 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Now on to the other idea...a summer solstice festival. Somebody posted a bit about America's Stonehenge in New Hampshire. I think this is a fantastic idea! I checked out the web page and have copied a bit of the history about it below. I can't tell how impressive a sight it is (ie., how tall the stones are..they're at least as big as the 12" replica of Stonehenge 'Tap' used)..they have closeup photos at the web page, and there are other archeological things there other than the stones. The best thing about it, is that it's only about 45 minutes away from Boston. This would then make sense as a place to start a US tour (16 days before Roswell), as they couldn't get a club interested enough to have HW play last year, even despite a good number of fans there. Also, there are bands not too far away that could play also...ArchMet and Alien Planetscapes to name a couple. Two major hurdles would be.... 1) How to get permission from the proprietors of this historical site?? Would they go for it?? I have the feeling that they might get the impression that either a whole slew of destructive metalheads were going to invade their sacred ground, or a slew of drug-crazed hippies were going to stage some sort of bizarre seance or something. Neither would get us very far....we'd have to come up with a way of convincing them that what Mike Holmes said about us is true (I believe it, of course). I'm guessing that hasn't been the case with the British gov't, as I haven't heard of any Stonehenge festivals going on in 10 or 12 years. :( 2) Who is going to be responsible for the logistics?? I mean, where will the PA, stage risers, port-a-johns, power cables, etc. come from. The obvious person to contact first would be Chris Bruce, I'd think, but would he be willing?? Or could he manage this?? I really don't know the scope of his business...Scott??? At the very least, I think we (ie., Mr. Rats, again) should put the idea forth to DS, and maybe they could check into it from their side. I'd guess that Dave would be into such an idea, and I really like the concept of an opening festival and closing festival (kinda like the Olympics), I'm guessing the band would too. America needs more 'cool' festivals, as opposed to this jaded crap they're putting on, with Coca Cola, etc. buying in (again, like the Olympics). OK, here's some general info and contacts on 'our' Stonehenge. BTW, any of you 'noreasters' been here....Scott? Chris R.? David? Keith H. (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A Brief History America's Stonehenge is one of the largest and possibly the oldest megalithic (stone-constructed) sites in North America. It has long presented a complicated and intriguing puzzle to archeologists, astronomers, and historians, and presently serves as a leisurely, educational tour for the whole family. The site was opened to the general public in 1958 by Mr. Robert E. Stone of Derry, NH for the purpose of research and preservation. Since that date research has been conducted on many fronts, the most exciting and conclusive of which has been the recognition of the many astronomical alignments, making it one of North America's largest calendrical sites. The complex, a series of stone walls containing large, shaped, standing stones, covers well over 30 acres. Like Stonehenge in England, America's Stonehenge was built by ancient people well versed in astronomy and stone construction. Through several independent surveys by qualified researchers, it has been determined that the site is an accurate, astronomically aligned calendar. It was, and still can be, used to determine specific solar and lunar events of the year. Archeological excavation at the site has uncovered numerous historic and pre-historic artifacts, stone tools, pottery, and samples suitable for radiocarbon dating. charcoal from two of these excavations in 1969 and 1971 proved to be 3,000 and 4,000 years old respectively. The questions are obvious. Who built the many chambers and placed their four to eleven ton capstones into position atop this desolate granite hilltop? Who went to such painstaking care to shape each standing stone and position it in the exact location to mark an important celestial event? And more importantly, why? The answers are not so obvious. We can be sure of one thing. This site was built by people who were here long before Columbus arrived in 1492. Researchers have narrowed the possibilities down to either a native American culture, or a migrant European population. As of yet, no single theory has been proven, but research continues, and perhaps someday will result in the solving of the puzzle. Until then, evidence indicates this site to be one of the most important archeological sites in the western hemisphere. At the very least, it is most likely the oldest man-made construction in the United States. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ For information on America's Stonehenge, email to FSNK36A at Prodigy.com (please list your land-mail address), or, phone us at (603) 893-8300, You can write to us at: America's Stonehenge P.O. Box 84 North Salem, New Hampshire 03074, USA. From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Jul 18 19:38:04 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:38:04 -0400 Subject: HW: HW + MM In-Reply-To: <199607182242.AA03827@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Jul 18, 96 06:42:24 pm Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > > > > >> The song that disappointed me on the last tour (aside from sticking > >> the ambient bit in the middle of Hassan I Sahba) was "Shouldn't Do > >> That". It's simply NOT the same, minus Nik's saxophone. And even > >> Dave, whose guitar work was otherwise wonderful, wasn't really doing > >> the BLANGA thing, which that song screams out for. > > Are you referring to the part when Richard goes off on the drums for > a few minutes? Actually I rather enjoy this version. It gives it more > of a Middle Eastern taste. Not at all, I'm refering to a synthesizer interlude that reminds me of elevator music. I know the name of the piece is well known, several people have identified it. Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Jul 18 19:43:34 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:43:34 -0400 Subject: HW: Assassins and You Shouldn't In-Reply-To: <9607190014.aa06622@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Jul 19, 96 00:14:12 am Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > > Stephen Swann writes: > > > The song that disappointed me on the last tour (aside from sticking > > the ambient bit in the middle of Hassan I Sahba) > > Can't understand why people dislike this so much! Hawkwind have been > melding different tracks into seamless segues since almost their first > album and this is one of their finest. ok - it breaks the flow from a > fast hard sound into a quiet reflective ambient mood and back again but > this is a fine intelligent piece of construction - from the aggression/ > violence of the Assassins through the Arabic trance-scape and out again. > There's a tension in the ambient flow (or there should be if it's > done well) all the time since you are still aware of the memory of the > heavier rock track previously, while waiting - knowing - that it's going > to return... any minute... to destroy the tranquility. Brilliant! Yeah, it sound good on paper, classic poetical juxtaposition. But in practice I can't describe how badly my heart falls when they break the pace of that killer song. Steve swann at panix.com From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jul 18 20:32:43 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 20:32:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: definition of "recreational" [kill this thread!] In-Reply-To: <960718191447_240753088@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: I can't believe I am getting involved in this thread, but think of this as a "point of information" more than anything else... On Thu, 18 Jul 1996 ROBOdewd at AOL.COM wondered aloud: > what exactly is a "recreational drug user"? hell, when I smoked pot and did > all that shit I considered myself a drug user...these people try to make the > use of drugs sound less serious by saying "recreational", as if there are > certain exceptions or they need some reassurance that what they are doing is > ok...who defines the terms of who is recreational and who is a downright > junkie?? you and I can tell the difference between Ertyl Mackelschneid that > smokes pot once a month and Jimmy the Bed-Ridden Junkie that boots heroin on > the hour, every hour...but hey, they're both drug-users...Jimmy's just as > recreational as Ertyl, he just does it more often! {and a miracle if he's > still alive!!!!} The term is from the literature, and is not intended merely as a "conscience easer." As I understand it, a "recreational" drug user is someone who is, at best, psychologically addicted; a "non-recreational" ("habitual") drug user is someone who is physiologically addicted. AFAIK Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Jul 18 21:28:46 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 20:28:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Love in Space CD In-Reply-To: <199607181206.OAA29338@exit.ruhr.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > The LIS CD was recorded in Bristol, Colston Hall, 19.10.1996 Wow, so... like, it hasn't happened yet?!? (I'll assume you mean 19.10.1995) :) Damon From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Jul 18 21:42:41 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 20:42:41 -0500 Subject: Roswell Festival Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Lurking Girl wrote: > FoFP wrote: > > Glastonbury Festival tends to have quite a few big name stars and it's > > not widely known as one of the festival circuit's great failures. > Erm, I think you missed the emphasis there....it's not that the > agent is looking for big name stars, it's WHICH big name stars. Exactly... e.g., it would be perfectly appropriate to hire, say, a big name band like Spacehog to headline this Roswell thing, but at least the band has the word "space" in its name... which is certainly more Roswell- relevant than Sheryl Crow. (apologies if someone already mentioned this... I'm about 50 messages behind, and you're probably all getting frustrated with my accidentally deleting messages before I get a chance to reply to them.) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Thu Jul 18 22:46:25 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:46:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Roswell info request In-Reply-To: <199607182320.TAA05117@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Would someone please repost the web address, and contact info for the Roswell festival, as well as the dates (we were talking about next year's right???). Thanks, I seem to have deleted the one I was saving before :-( Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jul 18 22:00:58 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:00:58 +1100 Subject: OFF: Perspective abductee Message-ID: With all the Rosswell stuff going on at the moment, you may want to look at this guy's page .... he's advertising the fact that he *wants* to be abducted ... just in case an Alien happens across his page whilst surfing the net. Some people! Paul -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Jul 18 23:22:35 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 20:22:35 -0700 Subject: A couple of xtra vinyl pieces available Message-ID: Whilst cleaning out the fridge I found.... A NM copy of the Hawklords 25 Years 12", grey vinyl. Any offers? I'm kinda surpised there seemed to be no interest in the Church of HW vinyl I mentioned a while back. Ya'll satisfied with the cd remix w/o the book? Wylie From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Jul 19 01:13:28 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 00:13:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Cover Project: Thank you's Message-ID: On 18-JUL-1996 18:04:09.5 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: >> >> On 15-JUL-1996 17:37:05.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> >> Just read today in the Skinhead Bible that a racist skin group called >> Skullhead covered "Silver Machine". As to whether or not there's an >actual > recording of it, it doesn't say... They're British. >> Might be an addition to the cover-tapes project, if they're ever >updated... >do you mean skinhead as in racist hate mongering scum, That's exactly what I mean. if it is the hate group,i think most of us >can live without it.if not,ignore this post. rj I thought that might be the reaction, but you know kompletists... Chuck `[1;36;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Jul 19 00:48:50 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 00:48:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: For Recreational Brain Use Only Message-ID: >If a book about failures doesn't sell, is it a success? > >Do cemetery workers prefer the graveyard shift? > >What do you do when you see an endangered animal that eats only endangered plants? >Do hungry crows have ravenous appetites? > >Is it possible to be totally partial? > >What's another word for thesaurus? >If a parsley farmer is sued, can they garnish his wages? > >Would a fly without wings be called a walk? > >Why do steam irons have a permanent press setting? > >Can you be a closet claustrophobic? > >Why do they lock gas station bathrooms? Are they afraid someone will clean them? >Why do people who know the least know it the loudest? > >If the funeral procession is at night, do folks drive with their >lights off? >If a stealth bomber crashes in a forest, will it make a sound? > >If a turtle doesn't have a shell, is he homeless or naked? > >When it rains, why don't sheep shrink? > >Should vegetarians eat animal crackers? > >If the cops arrest a mime, do they tell him he has the right to remain silent? >Why is the word abbreviation so long? > >When companies ship styrofoam, what do they pack it in? > >If you're cross-eyed and have dyslexia, can you read all right? From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri Jul 19 09:10:18 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:10:18 U Subject: wasAD/VDGG:now YOUNG ONES!! Message-ID: > Motorhead did "Ace of Spades" on >the episode where Vyv gets his head cut off when they are on a train >on the way to a game-show.... Bambi. That was the one and only TV appearance with Lem, Philthy, Wurz & Phil before Philthy buggered off for a while and Pete Gill stepped in. (Of course, he came back later...) God I'm dull & pedantic this morning. Cheers, Rich. ** Supercalifragalisticborussiamunchengladbach ** From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Jul 19 10:31:35 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:31:35 BST Subject: HW: Cover Project: Thank you's In-Reply-To: SKARSOL's message of Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:00:14 +0000 Message-ID: > do you mean skinhead as in racist hate mongering scum, or does the term Skinheads aren't necessarily racist. There are left-wing skinheads, and even gay skinheads. But the original post in this case did include the word "racist". Dave From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Jul 19 10:35:43 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:35:43 BST Subject: HW: HW + MM In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:38:04 -0400 Message-ID: > > Are you referring to the part when Richard goes off on the drums for > > a few minutes? Actually I rather enjoy this version. It gives it more > > of a Middle Eastern taste. > > Not at all, I'm refering to a synthesizer interlude that reminds me of > elevator music. It's the same piece (Space Is Their (Palestine)). Richard does a lot of bongo work. On the live album, Ron adds mezuein(sp?)-like vocals. I really like the LiS version; it starts off slow and atmospheric, and gradually builds up pace to the powerful rock ending. You must have cool elevators where you live :-) Dave. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Jul 19 10:39:28 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:39:28 BST Subject: HW: HW + MM In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:42:24 -0400 Message-ID: > It was played much too fast and rushed in the last US tour also. > Having seen both HW and Nik the same year, and both doing YSDT, Nik's > was MUCH better. As a version of YSDT, it isn't much cop, but I think of it as effectively a different song. Interspersed between Green Finned Demon and The Day A Wall Came Down, it's hard and fast and danceable, and I like it. It exploits the riff well. But as a standalone piece, it wouldn't work. Dave. From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jul 19 05:45:43 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:45:43 +0200 Subject: HW covers: Washing machine/Decide medley Message-ID: Heh... who are the two guys at the end of the HW covers tape III who do a hilarious medley/parody of Right To Decide/Silver (Washing) Machine??? They are not listed on the tape... are they list members by any chance? Sounds like it was taped off radio... Also, Dumpy's Rusty Nuts: who the hell are these guys?? I vaguely remember (ick) NME or (ick) Melody Maker making a joke about them being the second worst band in the world next to Bum Gravy (whoever they may be) years ago, and I've seen their name on those sleazy cheapo Heavy Metal compilation box sets. Christian (my trousers are clean) From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 19 10:51:25 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:51:25 BST Subject: HW: Assassins and You Shouldn't In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Fri, 19 Jul 1996 00:14:12 BST Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > Stephen Swann writes: > > > The song that disappointed me on the last tour (aside from sticking > > the ambient bit in the middle of Hassan I Sahba) > > Can't understand why people dislike this so much! Absolutely. Assassins/Space Is.. has been the major highlight of a couple of tours. FoFP From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Jul 19 05:58:38 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:58:38 +0200 Subject: HW: Love in Space CD Message-ID: >On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: >> The LIS CD was recorded in Bristol, Colston Hall, 19.10.1996 > >Wow, so... like, it hasn't happened yet?!? > >(I'll assume you mean 19.10.1995) :) O shit. It's of course my fault :-( The right date is of course: 19.10.1995 ....you know: I am living in the future.... > >Damon > > From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Jul 19 06:02:00 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:02:00 +0100 Subject: HW covers: Dumpy Message-ID: Christian wrote: > Also, Dumpy's Rusty Nuts: who the hell are these guys?? I vaguely > remember (ick) NME or (ick) Melody Maker making a joke about them being > the second worst band in the world next to Bum Gravy (whoever they may > be) years ago, and I've seen their name on those sleazy cheapo Heavy > Metal compilation box sets. DRN are yer classic Brit metal/biker band really. They play at lots of biker gatherings and are great fun in a sort of totally unsubtle way. Their music is head-down-legs-spread boogie. Oh, and Dumpy himself is one of those people for whom the phrase *diamond geezer* was invented. Chris From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 19 11:03:12 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:03:12 BST Subject: OFF: definition of "recreational" [kill this thread!] In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 18 Jul 1996 20:32:43 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > what exactly is a "recreational drug user"? hell, when I smoked pot and did > > all that shit I considered myself a drug user...these people try to make the > > use of drugs sound less serious by saying "recreational", as if there are > > certain exceptions or they need some reassurance that what they are doing is > > ok...who defines the terms of who is recreational and who is a downright > > junkie?? you and I can tell the difference between Ertyl Mackelschneid that > > smokes pot once a month and Jimmy the Bed-Ridden Junkie that boots heroin on > > the hour, every hour...but hey, they're both drug-users...Jimmy's just as > > recreational as Ertyl, he just does it more often! {and a miracle if he's > > still alive!!!!} > > The term is from the literature, and is not intended merely as a > "conscience easer." As I understand it, a "recreational" drug user is > someone who is, at best, psychologically addicted; a "non-recreational" > ("habitual") drug user is someone who is physiologically addicted. AFAIK It's not as straightforward as that since some drugs are not physically addictive (in the medical sense of the phrase). The line between legal and illegal drugs is also a fairly arbitrary one. Coffee and tea drinkers, as well as chocolate eaters and drinkers of alcohol are also drug users. We tend to assume that since these are legal, all users are by default "recreational" ones although we recognise that some people are not merely "social" drinkers of alcohol. Similarly with heroin, the default assumption is of an addict with some vague recognition that there might be "recreational" users. Perhaps a more realistic way to differentiate patterns of use is to look at the effect on the user's life. Someone who's beating their spouse because of alcohol, failing at their job because of cocaine, making themselves ill through heroin, or making themselves unpopular with their friends through excessive pot smoking is more than a "recreational" user. Drugs in and of themselves are no more threatening than a jar of parsley, it's how people use them, and how that affects the lives of themselves and the people around them that can create problems. It's likely that some drugs will cause more problems than others. Not that there's much point rerunning the legalisation argument, but it does seem kinda weird that illegality generally seems to multiply most problems associated with drug use as opposed to actually alleviating them. > Paul. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 19 11:08:48 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:08:48 BST Subject: HW covers: Washing machine/Decide medley In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's message of Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:45:43 +0200 Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: > Heh... who are the two guys at the end of the HW covers tape III who do > a hilarious medley/parody of Right To Decide/Silver (Washing) Machine??? > They are not listed on the tape... are they list members by any chance? > Sounds like it was taped off radio... That was Mark Radcliffe and buddy who are the "D.J's" on the Mark Radcliffe show. Mark is a bit of a Hawkwind fan. > Christian (my trousers are clean) FoFP From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Jul 19 06:18:56 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 06:18:56 -0400 Subject: HW: HW + MM Message-ID: > >> It was played much too fast and rushed in the last US tour also. >> Having seen both HW and Nik the same year, and both doing YSDT, Nik's >> was MUCH better. > >As a version of YSDT, it isn't much cop, but I think of it as effectively >a different song. Interspersed between Green Finned Demon and The Day A >Wall Came Down, it's hard and fast and danceable, and I like it. It >exploits the riff well. But as a standalone piece, it wouldn't work. > >Dave. > > When HW did it here (Cleve) they started out with MotU, and went directly into YSDT, almost as a medley, both being too rushed. I don't mind a fast version, but this one almost seemed to be more in the line of "let's get these two songs done and over as quickly as possible." That was the main complaint about this show, some folks felt that the band was rushing through the whole show. Duane From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 19 07:28:14 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:28:14 +0100 Subject: HW: HW + MM In-Reply-To: <31EE79C2.6DD@erols.com> from "SKARSOL" at Jul 18, 96 05:52:02 pm Message-ID: > also, i think dave b. would get a little upset w/ dave w. for stumbling all over the > equiptment while pretending to be smashed. Is that better or worse than falling all over the equipment because you really _are_ smashed? ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Jul 19 09:05:05 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:05:05 -0400 Subject: HW: HW + MM In-Reply-To: <13285.9607190935@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Jul 19, 96 10:35:43 am Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > > > > Are you referring to the part when Richard goes off on the drums for > > > a few minutes? Actually I rather enjoy this version. It gives it more > > > of a Middle Eastern taste. > > > > Not at all, I'm refering to a synthesizer interlude that reminds me of > > elevator music. > > It's the same piece (Space Is Their (Palestine)). Richard does a lot of > bongo work. On the live album, Ron adds mezuein(sp?)-like vocals. I really > like the LiS version; it starts off slow and atmospheric, and gradually > builds up pace to the powerful rock ending. > > You must have cool elevators where you live :-) Actually the main offices of my company are in a building which frequently has Jean-Michelle Jarre's "Oxygene" as elevator music. Probably the best elevator music ever created. ;-) Steve From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jul 19 09:04:37 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:04:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: For Recreational Brain Use Only Message-ID: >Why do you drive in a parkway, and park in a driveway? > >Why do women wear a pair of panties, but only one bra? > >If you drive your car at the speed of light, and then turn on your lights, would they do any good? > From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Jul 19 09:17:16 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:17:16 -0400 Subject: HW: Assassins and You Shouldn't In-Reply-To: <9607191051.aa27188@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jul 19, 96 10:51:25 am Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > J Strobridge writes: > > > Stephen Swann writes: > > > > > The song that disappointed me on the last tour (aside from sticking > > > the ambient bit in the middle of Hassan I Sahba) > > > > Can't understand why people dislike this so much! > > Absolutely. Assassins/Space Is.. has been the major highlight of a > couple of tours. I guess that explains why I didn't enjoy the past tour nearly as much as the one from 92(?). :-) *That* version of Hassan I Sabha was the encore to end all encores. Possibly the best thing I've ever heard in concert. The truth is that on the last tour, about half of the concert was disposable, from my very biased perspective. I just don't like 90's Hawkwind ambient music. I like Hawkwind, I like some ambient. But I don't like Hawkwind's ambient (lately, anyway). Steve swann at panix.com From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Fri Jul 19 09:17:33 1996 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:17:33 -0400 Subject: OFF: Sundial, etc. Message-ID: >From: cjohnson > Just got off the phone with Midnight Records, and they do *not* > have Sundial 'Other Way Out' in stock right now. Apparently their > catalog lists every item available to them; in stock is another > question entirely... :-( > Still, their selection appears to be pretty comprehensive for some > groups. I have ordered from Midnight Recs before, and found them > to be reputable. Yes, they are reputable. However, I have never gotten a complete order from them. Always something is not in stock, although it usually shows up in the catalog they throw in my shipment. This is not intended to dissuade anyone from doing business with Midnight. I buy a lot of stuff from them and will continue to do so. Just want to warn you that their catalogs do contain vapourware. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jul 19 09:19:26 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:19:26 +0200 Subject: OFF: For Recreational Brain Use Only Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > > >Why do you drive in a parkway, and park in a driveway? > Because you are speaking english. > >Why do women wear a pair of panties, but only one bra? > Same. > >If you drive your car at the speed of light, and then turn on > your lights, would they do any good? > No. (take another hit and reflect) Christian From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 19 14:40:36 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:40:36 BST Subject: OFF: Speed of Light In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's message of Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:19:26 +0200 Message-ID: Don't Hawkwind have a track called that? Is being on-topic OK if the thread is marked OFF? Christian Mumford writes: > > >If you drive your car at the speed of light, and then turn on > > your lights, would they do any good? > > > No. Ummmm, isn't it a principle of Special Relativity that the Speed of Light is constants *whatever* speed you're travelling at? Remember Michelson and Morley. As far as the driver was concerned, the headlights would be working as normal. As far as any pedestrian in front was concerned, they'd be fried by hard x-rays just before being in the mother of all hit & run's. Of course the car couldn't *quite* reach the speed of light. That'd be illegal (*) > Christian FoFP (*) A phycisist friend of mine used to have a poster on his wall featuring Einstein dressed in a California Highway Patrol uniform and sitting astride a motorbike. Underneath was the legend: "186,000 Miles per Second: It's not just a good idea, it's the Law." From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Jul 19 09:51:03 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:51:03 +0200 Subject: OFF: Speed of Light Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Don't Hawkwind have a track called that? > > Is being on-topic OK if the thread is marked OFF? > > Christian Mumford writes: > > > > >If you drive your car at the speed of light, and then turn on > > > your lights, would they do any good? > > > > > No. > > Ummmm, isn't it a principle of Special Relativity that the Speed of > Light is constants *whatever* speed you're travelling at? Remember > Michelson and Morley. > > As far as the driver was concerned, the headlights would be working as > normal. As far as any pedestrian in front was concerned, they'd be fried > by hard x-rays just before being in the mother of all hit & run's. > > Of course the car couldn't *quite* reach the speed of light. That'd be > illegal (*) > Of course, and with a very good reason - the headlights wouldn't be working because nobody could control a car driving down a street and would cause the car to crash and damage lots of property, killing the driver and busting the headlights. Christian (no rocket scientist) From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 19 15:02:58 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:02:58 BST Subject: OFF: Speed of Light In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's message of Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:51:03 +0200 Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: > M Holmes wrote: > > > > Don't Hawkwind have a track called that? > > > > Is being on-topic OK if the thread is marked OFF? > > > > Christian Mumford writes: > > > > > > >If you drive your car at the speed of light, and then turn on > > > > your lights, would they do any good? > > > > > > > No. > > > > Ummmm, isn't it a principle of Special Relativity that the Speed of > > Light is constants *whatever* speed you're travelling at? Remember > > Michelson and Morley. > > > > As far as the driver was concerned, the headlights would be working as > > normal. As far as any pedestrian in front was concerned, they'd be fried > > by hard x-rays just before being in the mother of all hit & run's. > > > > Of course the car couldn't *quite* reach the speed of light. That'd be > > illegal (*) > > > > Of course, and with a very good reason - the headlights wouldn't be > working because nobody could control a car driving down a street and > would cause the car to crash and damage lots of property, killing the > driver and busting the headlights. Not if he had ABS brakes. FoFP From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Jul 19 10:21:20 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:21:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Speed of Light In-Reply-To: <31EF92C7.5D43@eunet.no> Message-ID: > > Of course, and with a very good reason - the headlights wouldn't be > working because nobody could control a car driving down a street and > would cause the car to crash and damage lots of property, killing the > driver and busting the headlights. > > Christian (no rocket scientist) > BTW, that story from a couple of weeks back, about the guy who strapped an aero-engine to his car, has apparently zipped around the Internet several dozen times now, and is featured in this week's New Scientist (inside back page). Dave From jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM Fri Jul 19 10:33:06 1996 From: jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM (J. Malcolm) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:33:06 -0400 Subject: off: network standards in germany In-Reply-To: <31EDF907.4A57@mic.dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: Andy Cobley writes: >I remeber hearing that the network standard in Germany (where the host >machine resides I think) is slighlty different to the rest of the >world. All trafic in and out needs to be converted making >German access to the WWW slighlty slower. It's possible one of these >box's is playing up. Not actually true, to the best of my knowledge. From stayer at PI.NET Fri Jul 19 00:21:06 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:21:06 PDT Subject: UK trip Message-ID: In September I'll make a trip to the UK, to see the Rotherham progrock fest, Sep 27. Are there any other gigs around Rotherham or around London that weekend? Thanks, Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Fri Jul 19 00:25:09 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:25:09 PDT Subject: The Rules To Bedroom Golf Message-ID: The Rules Of Bedroom Golf 1. Each player shall furnish his own equipment for play - normally one club and two balls. 2. Play on a course must be approved by the owner of the hole. 3. Unlike outdoor golf, the object is to get the club in the hole and keep the balls out of the hole. 4. For most effective play the, club should have a firm shaft. Course owners are permitted to check shaft stiffness before play begins. 5. Course owners reserve the right to restrict the length of the club to avoid damage to the hole. 6. The object of the game is to take as many strokes as necessary until the course owner is satisfied that the play is complete. Failure to do so may result in being denied permission to play the course again. 7. It is considered bad form to begin playing the hole immediately upon arrival at the course. The experienced player will normally take time to admire the entire course, with special attention to well formed bunkers. 8. Players are cautioned not to mention other courses they have played or are currently playing to the owner of the course being played. Upset course owners have been known to damage a players equipment for this reason. 9. Players are encouraged to have proper rain gear along, just in case. 10. Players should assure themselves that their match has been properly scheduled, particularly when a new course is being played for the first time. Previous players have been known to become irate if they discover someone else playing what they consider to be a private course. 11. Players should not assume that a course is in shape for play at all times. Some players may be embarassed if they find the course temporarily under repair. Players are advised to be extremely tactful in this situation. More advanced players will find alternative means of play when this is the case. 12. Players are advised to obtain the course owners permission before attempting to play the back nine. 13. Slow play is encouraged, however, players should be prepared to proceed at a quicker pace, at least temporarily, at the course owners request. 14. It is considered outstanding performance, time permitting, to play the same hole several times in one match. 15. The course owner will be the sole judge of who is the best player. ** Players are advised to think twice before considering membership at a given course. Additional assessments may be levied by the course owner and the rules are subject to change. For this reason, many players prefer to continue to play several different courses. Jerry From wildcat at PRYSM.NET Fri Jul 19 12:00:50 1996 From: wildcat at PRYSM.NET (Jonathan M Thompson) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:00:50 -0500 Subject: [off] Moorcock/Nomads Message-ID: >Hi all, > >I know of several online Nomads of the Time Streams, some of whom are on >this list. I maintain a Nomads mailing list (very sporadic and low >traffic, esp. since the creation of alt.books.moorcock), so if you're >online and not in touch with me (and would like to be in touch with other >Nomads) please drop me an email. This is something I am interested in...can I get more information? Jonathan Thompson, SCA: Jonathan MacAilpein wildcat at prysm.net Keeper of the Battletech Mailing List email btech at prysm.net to subscribe "Strange shapes light up the sky, I hope to see them before I die... Don't ask they are real the Men In Black there lips are sealed" - Take me away [BOC] From wildcat at PRYSM.NET Fri Jul 19 12:01:19 1996 From: wildcat at PRYSM.NET (Jonathan M Thompson) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:01:19 -0500 Subject: [off] Heavy Metal Message-ID: Anyone know of songs that were written for Heavy Metal that were not used? I am looking for those artist that are not BOC I know about those. Any help I can get would be appreciated. Thanks. Jonathan Thompson, SCA: Jonathan MacAilpein wildcat at prysm.net Keeper of the Battletech Mailing List email btech at prysm.net to subscribe "Strange shapes light up the sky, I hope to see them before I die... Don't ask they are real the Men In Black there lips are sealed" - Take me away [BOC] From leehodge at RADIX.NET Fri Jul 19 13:11:20 1996 From: leehodge at RADIX.NET (Lee Hodge) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:11:20 -0400 Subject: BOC: palm slashing Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > (about Live ?76) > > The delivery was _way_ cheesy though--but that's why I always >enjoyed that section. It was just *so* 70s-cheesy. > First, it was the 70?s I was at the Live ?76 show at Capital Center in Largo Maryland, December 1976. My 16 year old ears thought Bloom?s rap was pretty hip - and the crowd loved it. The Carter/Pot-Rap was one of the things I remember most about the show - heck it was 20 years ago. Bloom?s delivery was appropriate for the times - I don?t think anybody at the time thought it was cheezy. As for musicians speaking out about legalizing drugs - well, musicians don?t have a very good track record on the subject. With the ever-growing pile of dead musicians whose death was caused by drug use, musician don?t stand on very firm ground (yeah, I know of no one that died directly from pot use). Personally, I feel that some drugs that are illegal now should be legal - but don?t hold your breath (don?t inhale, Bill). The arguments against legalization are compelling. As for recreational drugs - alcohol is most definitely a drug. Alcohol has killed as many musicians (and people in general) as illegal drugs (maybe more). Alcohol use continues to do it?s share of societal devastation by greatly adding to things like broken marriages, spouse abuse, suicide, lost work productivity, massive highway death toll, and so on - but our legal system seems to think that some cat setting at home blowing a doobie is a real problem. Go figure. I think the facts show that alcohol can be a much more dangerous drug then the ole wild-wood-weed but booze has been a part of western society forever (kinda grandfather in). The acceptance of alcohol and rejection of pot places a indefensible inconsistency in the argument - but don?t look for this to change. -Lee From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Fri Jul 19 14:05:09 1996 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:05:09 -0400 Subject: BOC: palm slashing Message-ID: John writes: > Why should the rock world speak out against these particular laws? Sure, maybe there > are lots of recreational drug users among musicians and their fans (and I'm not trying > to say that all rock musicians/fans are), but the people in the rock world, I MHO, > need to stick to putting out music - just 'cuz Eric Bloom may have smoked dope > (an assumption on my part - but if I was a betting man...) doesn't mean he is more > qualified to speak out on such laws than some non-musician who has ... "Should" is a tricky word (and not one that I used.) Why do I wish they would? Because the laws are unjust and inconsistent (IMO), and because people in rock have the unique position of being able to communicate to large numbers of people without the excessive caution that most politicians and others in the media spotlight must employ to survive. > Why should the rock world speak out against these particular laws? ... > people in the rock world, IMHO, need to stick to putting out music ... Why should musicians stick to putting out music? Why should anyone stick to anything? > But - to each his/her own. Agreed. > John - Chris From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jul 19 11:28:14 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:28:14 +0100 Subject: musical tortue? In-Reply-To: <1E77AD343E5@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: In message <1E77AD343E5 at hawk.syr.edu>, "Ted Jackson jr." writes >> > >> > and that's when I heard/ >> > the most horrible sound/ >> > I ever heard in my life >> >Wot? Vanilla Ice? > >theo Hey Ted, Did you know the next line in the song is.. We wuz going thru the ice!! ?? -- Jon Browne From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jul 19 15:16:13 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:16:13 EST Subject: musical tortue? Message-ID: > > In message <1E77AD343E5 at hawk.syr.edu>, "Ted Jackson jr." > writes > >> > > >> > and that's when I heard/ > >> > the most horrible sound/ > >> > I ever heard in my life > >> > >Wot? Vanilla Ice? > > > >theo > > Hey Ted, > > Did you know the next line in the song is.. > > We wuz going thru the ice!! ?? > > > -- > Jon Browne Wow! No I didn't. I wasn't even aware of the song at all. That's really too much. Just one of those chance encounters... theo From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jul 19 06:22:30 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:22:30 +0100 Subject: HW: HW + MM + TAD In-Reply-To: <31EE79C2.6DD@erols.com> Message-ID: In message <31EE79C2.6DD at erols.com>, SKARSOL writes >also, i think dave b. would get a little upset w/ dave w. for stumbling >all over the equiptment while pretending to be smashed. >rj Stumbling Man ain't got no smile/ He ain't had one in quite a while/ :)) One more for the Tad-sters. Sorry, guys, couldn't resist! -- Jon Browne From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Fri Jul 19 17:27:41 1996 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 17:27:41 -0400 Subject: BOC: palm slashing Message-ID: ROBO writes: > what exactly is a "recreational drug user"? hell, when I smoked pot and did OK, screw the "recreational" part: legalize all drugs and give everyone enough rope to hang themselves with. I favor a less paternalistic government than you apparently do. Elsewhere he writes: > Eric Bloom's comments in Live 76 are dated...different time, different society... Are your opinions so weak that they depend on which time or society you find yourself in? The issues are still the same. (We'd better kill this little debate before people start getting pissed off...) Chris From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Jul 19 18:44:22 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 17:44:22 EST Subject: HW: info on Magic Muscle album dates ? Message-ID: I just received in a trade taped copies of 3 Magic Muscle records, dated from 1988 - 1991. HW kollectors know that Simon House was an occasional member of this group. The titles are "Gulp", "The Pipe the Roar the Grid", and "100 Miles Below" (I think that's right). My question is, were these albums _really_ released in late 80s - early nineties? I thought that "Laughs & Thrills" was from 1972 or thereabouts. I'm wondering if my trader source put down the wrong dates with the tracklist info...or perhaps these are the re-issue dates on the CDs, rather than the original LP release dates. Anybody with date confirmation on any of these albums, I would appreciate it (public or private). Any other notable history tied to this band would be good too. Also, anybody wanna trade me a tape dub of "Laughs & Thrills" ? (Thank you to the folks who provided me info on phoning C&D in UK!) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObGoodPsych: Magic Muscle "Gulp" From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Jul 19 18:05:25 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 18:05:25 -0400 Subject: BOC: palm slashing In-Reply-To: <9607192119.AA2044@worldcom-37.worldcom.com> from "Chris Baxley" at Jul 19, 96 05:27:41 pm Message-ID: > ROBO writes: > > what exactly is a "recreational drug user"? hell, when I smoked pot and did > > OK, screw the "recreational" part: legalize all drugs and give everyone enough > rope to hang themselves with. I favor a less paternalistic government than > you apparently do. Agreed. What ever happened to taking responsibility for one's actions? Now Big Daddy (aka Uncle Sam) has to make sure everything is nice and safe for all the children (aka us). > Elsewhere he writes: > > Eric Bloom's comments in Live 76 are dated...different time, different > > society... > > Are your opinions so weak that they depend on which time or society you find > yourself in? The issues are still the same. Maybe it all boils down to one issue; do the rules of your society make sense? Guido obCDplayer--The Snake Music by Mark Nauseef and Miroslav Tadic -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Jul 19 19:23:33 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 19:23:33 -0400 Subject: HW: info on Magic Muscle album dates ? In-Reply-To: <9607191744.A18919@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Jul 19, 96 05:44:22 pm Message-ID: Chuck wants to know... > > I just received in a trade taped copies of 3 Magic Muscle records, > dated from 1988 - 1991. HW kollectors know that Simon House was an > occasional member of this group. The titles are "Gulp", "The Pipe > the Roar the Grid", and "100 Miles Below" (I think that's right). > > My question is, were these albums _really_ released in late 80s - > early nineties? Well, I have '100 miles below', and I believe it *is* from 1990-91 or thereabouts. Apparently, they had a reunion of sorts. The album is live by the way, although it seems the tracks were new. Rod Goodway (?), Simon House, Adrian Shaw, and Twink make up most of the band I think. Dunno about Gulp (it might be 'new' too), but I was under the impression that 'The Pipe, the Roar, the Grid' was a compilation of early 70's material. I ordered it once, I think, but never got it..out of stock or something. > I thought that "Laughs & Thrills" was from 1972 or > thereabouts. Yeah, I've got this one as well....it is a collection of live tracks from at least two gigs, probably at the Roundhouse...1972 I think is correct. > I'm wondering if my trader source put down the wrong > dates with the tracklist info...or perhaps these are the re-issue > dates on the CDs, rather than the original LP release dates. In the case of TPTRTG, that may be correct. > > Anybody with date confirmation on any of these albums, I would > appreciate it (public or private). Any other notable history tied > to this band would be good too. Don't really know much more off hand. I think there's liner notes/history in the Laughs & Thrills disc. I'll try to remember to bring it in tomorrow and post something. > > Also, anybody wanna trade me a tape dub of "Laughs & Thrills" ? > OK, I'd be interested in the two you got.... (khenders at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) Keith H. (FAA) From skarsol at EROLS.COM Fri Jul 19 15:51:26 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 19:51:26 +0000 Subject: [off] Heavy Metal Message-ID: Jonathan M Thompson wrote: > > Anyone know of songs that were written for Heavy Metal that were not used? I > am looking for those artist that are not BOC I know about those. > > Any help I can get would be appreciated. > i have always thought the boc song "vengeance" from FOUO ilustrated the final scene rather well.(the cover story) rj From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jul 19 21:26:43 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 21:26:43 -0400 Subject: HW: info on Magic Muscle album dates ? In-Reply-To: <9607191744.A18919@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: Chuck asks: > I just received in a trade taped copies of 3 Magic Muscle records, > dated from 1988 - 1991. HW kollectors know that Simon House was an > occasional member of this group. The titles are "Gulp", "The Pipe > the Roar the Grid", and "100 Miles Below" (I think that's right). > > My question is, were these albums _really_ released in late 80s - > early nineties? I thought that "Laughs & Thrills" was from 1972 or > thereabouts. I'm wondering if my trader source put down the wrong > dates with the tracklist info...or perhaps these are the re-issue > dates on the CDs, rather than the original LP release dates. I have _Gulp!_ on vinyl. Unless memory fails, the sleeve notes indicate this is definitely from the late 80s/early 90s (they wax poetic about bringing a "new" drummer to the drum stool, and talk of the "original" MM lineup). The album is basically a "live studio jam" (a distillation of about 3-4 hrs jamming), and includes such notables as Nick Saloman (a.k.a. The Bevis Frond) and Simon House. > ObGoodPsych: Magic Muscle "Gulp" Agreed!!!!! Cheers, Paul. obCD: Neil Young, _Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From wildcat at PRYSM.NET Fri Jul 19 22:12:06 1996 From: wildcat at PRYSM.NET (Jonathan M Thompson) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 21:12:06 -0500 Subject: [off] Heavy Metal Message-ID: >i have always thought the boc song "vengeance" from FOUO ilustrated the >final scene rather well.(the cover story) rj I know about the BOC work. :) Jonathan Thompson, SCA: Jonathan MacAilpein wildcat at prysm.net Keeper of the Battletech Mailing List email btech at prysm.net to subscribe "Strange shapes light up the sky, I hope to see them before I die... Don't ask they are real the Men In Black there lips are sealed" - Take me away [BOC] From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Jul 19 22:52:43 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 22:52:43 -0400 Subject: tBS: A Review Message-ID: Subj: ROCKRGRL nite at Mac Fest Date: 96-07-16 20:27:03 EDT From: ChocChippy Pardonnez-moi for getting this on so late the next day...but I was WIPED OUT after Rockrgrl nite at the New Music Cafe Mon. nite! TONS of good bands and much fun had by all...Carla did herself proud as Mistress of Ceremonies & the Deb Frost-programmed lineup had something for everyone & with the common factor being that all the bands played some kickass rock and roll. Yes, I'm gushing, but it was SO COOL! And I got a CREDENTIAL! Which means I get to go to everything else FREE for the rest of the week! I'm sorry. My inherent geekitude is showing. Okey-doke, so if you've never been there, the New Music Cafe is situated at Canal St. & West Broadway in Manhattan, on the border of Chinatown. It's a corner building, and when you walk in, there's a little area to the side (where they had the computers with the video feed, which apparently never left the building), then a long bar down the right side of the room, (behind which was a room with a pool table & more seats) and the performing space proper, which had about a knee-high stage, and a few couches at the back of an open viewing area (except for one pillar slightly to the right of center stage). Lots of things hanging from the ceiling: a stuffed alligator, bells, a swordfish, etc. Some original art (or maybe it was just stuff they hung on the wall to get it off the floor). A heavy downpour regulated the crowdflow (when it stopped raining, people walked over from other venues), but there was a pretty constant stream of people in and out all evening...a very industry-media heavy crowd (sniffing each others' laminates) and exchanging cards and networking like crazy. >From my vantage point at the merch table, I got to see both wheover was walking in the door and a fairly unobstructed view of the stage. First up was the Finch Family fronted by Lizzie Borden, a Boston-based act, whose bass player took the stage with a broken wrist: at their last gig, a guy jumped up onstage and grabbed her, and when she belted him, broke a bone. But the band wouldn't think of cancelling & she said she'd go get a cast put on it today (OUCH!) They were lots of fun...in addition to the two guitar/bass/drums lineup, they had a guy who played the flute & trumpet. They closed with a nicely done cover of Jefferson Airplane's "Go Ask Alice." And hung around for the rest of the bands. Then Swish, w/bass player Lori Martin of Helium & Patrick Murphy, drummer of Dinosaur Jr. and unfortunately, I wasn't playing much attention to them, being busy guarding the t-shirts and back issues of the magazine. (AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR T-SHIRT WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR, PEOPLE?) I read Lisa Jones's piece about Felice Rosser & her band Faith in "Rock She Wrote" and was interested to see if they were as powerful as Lisa had described. WOW. They totally rocked. Apparently, there have been some personnel & management changes, and well, they're READY for something big. That VOICE just made every head in the room turn and drew the people to the stage like a magnet. I suppose you could compare her to M'shell Ndegeoshello (she plays a bass, too) or even to Tracy Chapman (her voice is more interesting), but Faith definitely has its own sound. Ooh. Downtown spoken-word artist Penny Arcade did a piece before the next band (and sorry I didn't get the names of the musicians accompanying her), and blasted the audience with a powerful piece about sexual assault. The Cucumbers were up next...and they brought a bunch of their fans with them. For those of you who don't know 'em, they're fronted by husband/wife Deena Shoshkes & Jon Fried and they also WERE lots of fun and HAD lots of fun. Carla spotted me at the t-shirt table & I got to see them from head on for the last part of their set, which I thought was the strongest (definitely the most rocking songs). Deb & HER husband, Albert Bouchard fronted The Brain Surgeons, who drew their share of guys in their 30s saying: IS THIS THE GUY FROM BLUE OYSTER CULT? Deb let me hold her wallet while she performed and I didn't even take any money out of it. Just before the Brain Surgeons went on, Carla drew the winning slip for the evening's prize: a Tommy Hilfiger Jeans knapsack, filled with Tommy Jeans stuff, a Rockrgrl T-shirt and a whole bunch of CDs, donated by Carla, Blackheart Records, the Brain Surgeons. The knapsack & Tommy shirts were courtesy of Tommy and Andy Hilfiger, whose brother Billy is in the Brain Surgeons. The fine Lizzie Borden won...which was nice because they'd gone outside & gotten soaked & didn't have a change of clothes. So Lizzie distributed the t-shirts and they got to drive back to Boston dry. We'll see them back here in NYC in August when they play CBGBs. Then it was time for the Brain Surgeons: blow-your-hair-back music, which frankly, I don't think we have enough of these days what with too many glum bass players swaying back and forth and lead singers who wear shades onstage (one of my pet peeves). (I guess I'm showing my age. I thought the picture of Sleater-Kinney on the cover of this month's ROCKRGRL made 'em look like they were all in the 5th grade). I rather wish I'd been able to stand in front of the speakers, but even from the side, it was eminently satisfying. And world class Rockrgrl Genya Ravan joined the Brain Surgeons for a song...playing harmonica and singing for what I heard was her first live appearance in years. I'm sorry I didn't write a lot more of this down & get more names & talk to people, but NOT ONE T-SHIRT DISAPPEARED, and frankly, I'm proud of that. Also, believe it or not, I'm really shy in groups of people. Watching the t-shirts gave me a PURPOSE. So, they interviewed Carla for Canadian TV (I think) and lots of photographers showed up, as an alternative to the Henry Rollins show at Irving Plaza and the "secret" Metallica show at Tramps. And everyone was talking about the surprise guests at the night before's Sweet Relief benefit at The Bottom Line (Cracker, Bob Mould, Garbage, Adam Duritz). Patricia Kennealy-Morrison (who is interviewed in the current Rockrgrl) stopped by, and there was a noticible murmur at her entrance...she's got waist-length curly red hair, wore a floppy leather hat secured with a silver pin, which had a long pheasant feather, I think, that was nearly as long as her hair. And it was very nice to meet everyone from online who stopped by to say hello...put some faces to names, etc. I think we need another ROCKRGRL nite & I think I can definitely sell some more t-shirts. KW (who is going to SEXPOD tomorrow night at Coney Island High!) From skarsol at EROLS.COM Sat Jul 20 04:05:41 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 08:05:41 +0000 Subject: [off] Heavy Metal Message-ID: Jonathan M Thompson wrote: > > >i have always thought the boc song "vengeance" from FOUO ilustrated the > >final scene rather well.(the cover story) rj > > I know about the BOC work. :) yeah, sorry about that jonathan.i noticed that part of the post after i replied... rj From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Jul 20 11:07:07 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 11:07:07 -0400 Subject: OFF: UK Help Needed! Message-ID: RAW magazine has apparently moved from its Carnaby St address in London since it favorably reviewed "Eponymous"--would someone in the UK please be so kind as to forward me the new address? THANK YOU! DF From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sat Jul 20 14:28:04 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 14:28:04 -0400 Subject: HW: Magic Muscle info In-Reply-To: <9607191744.A18919@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Jul 19, 96 05:44:22 pm Message-ID: Cap'n queried... > > Anybody with date confirmation on any of these albums, I would > appreciate it (public or private). Any other notable history tied > to this band would be good too. OK, here are the liner notes from Laughs and Thrills, as penned by Rustic Rod Goodway.... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1991 - A Special Year for Magic Muscle More has been written about Magic Muscle in the past three years (than) ever before (mainly thanks to the enthusiasm and the 'gentle quill' of journalist Colin Hill) beginning with the four-page biog given away free with the studio retrospective LP "The Pipe, the Roar, & the Grit" (sic) in 1988 and more recently the story within the so-called 'magic-box' named 'Living Weeds from Ancient Seeds' (1990). However, what seems to be generally agreed about the band is that although it was originally formed in 1970, the date of its spiritual birth and actual 'coming of age' in January the 4th, 1971. Consequently, this year (1991) marks the 20th anniversary of Magic Muscle as it enters a third decade of ongoing adventures. Incredibly, it wasn't until 1988 that Muscle cut its first 'official' LIVE album, with original members Adrian Shaw, Rod Goodway and Huw Gower along with long-term honourary member Simon House being joined by special guest drummer Twink. This resulted in the 'One Hundred Miles Below' LP/CD which wasn't released until 1989, by which time Huw Gower was back home in New York City. Rod and Adrian were unable to pay his fare over to the UK to promote the album so their pal Nick Saloman volunteed to play a few dates, the first being (aptly) the Hawkwind 20th Anniversary All-Dayer at Brixton Academy. This time the 'special guest' drummer was Martin Crowley. This line-up did not record as Muscle but toured Europe in 1990 as The Bevis Frond Touring Band. On January the 4th, 1991, Adrian Shaw, Rod Goodway, and Simon House again joined forces with guitarist extraordinaire Nick Saloman and old pal from the free festival daze of yesteryear Steve Broughton, to record a testimony to the survival of what was once described as 'Britains Premier Underwater Band'!! The awesome results of this recorded celebration will be released later this year as a LP entitled 'Gulp'!! But what about the other side of Muscle? The live prog-rock monster that exploted (sic) into psychedelia when the group began to tour all those years ago? Thanks to Claus at SPM, that is what this package is all about. After their notorious appearance at the first Glastonbury Fayre (June '71) Muscle were beginning to gain a national reputation in the UK and were soon busy supporting their old mates Hawkwind on various gigs around the West Country when the infamous 'Silver Machine' was released and, amazingly, rocketed up the charts. This of course prompted the mammoth Space Ritual Tour of 1972 which Magic Muscle was asked to join. The resulting mayhem and punishing schedule was rewarded by some interest being shown by Island Records and Muscle were asked to submit a demo. A song was duly composed and recorded and the only copy sent to Muff Winwood at Island. Having just suffered another of many 'dope busts' the group's anti-establishment song-lyrics were aimed at the stuff of the local 'Bridewell' Police Station in Bristol but unfortunately everyone at Island Records believed it to be about THE Bridewell in Northern Ireland and therefore pro-IRA!! The demo was immediately banned and apparently destroyed. The only known recording in existence is here on CD, recorded LIVE on one of the last three remaining Magic Muscle ever did on the Space Ritual Tour. In fact, highlights from all three performances are here, a miracle in itself considering the chaos and craziness of the very times it attempts to document. A tribute indeed to the tireless efforts of our friends and brothers who were known as the Muscle Roadcrew but who were in fact as much a part of the band as any of the musicians. Bear in mind then dear listeners, that we were all merely survivors, witnesses to a thousand benefits, acid tests, and free festivals; consequently we had little money and only worn and delapidated equipment. Therefore the quality of some of these recordings is (in places) flawed and for this we apologise. But we are sure you would prefer a good performance poorly recorded than a better quality recording of uninspired music. We think you will agree that this is not only a worthwhile release by SPM, but also an essential musical documentation of prog-rock psychedelia on the ascent from its initial rigid structures, through the map references of the expanding mind, to emerge from hyperspace as the mighty 'roar' of MAGIC MUSCLE!! Rustic Rod April 1991 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It doesn't list the dates or venues of the three SR gigs that these recordings are from, although there are two recordings of one song (On the Run), one which says 'Bristol' version, the other says 'Bracknell' version. Apparently then, two of the three gigs were these two cities (Bracknell is near Reading). Maybe Bernhard's list has the dates/venues. I would guess that the last gig might have been London - perhaps Brixton or the Roundhouse. The band in 1972 was: 'Rustic' Rod Goodway - Guitar/Vocals Adrian Shaw - Bass Huw Gower - Lead Guitar/backing vocals Kenny Wheeler - Drums Pete Biles - Congas Time of the disc is 69:18...11 tracks. Label info: SPM-World Wide Records CD 0021 (1991) Keith H. (FAA) From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Sun Jul 21 00:54:45 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 21:54:45 -0700 Subject: BOC: palm slashing In-Reply-To: <9607192205.AA15486@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: What we have here is the borderline in the conflict between society's need to protect it's citizens and the citizens' need to protect their rights. On Fri, 19 Jul 1996, Guido Vacano wrote: > > ROBO writes: > > > what exactly is a "recreational drug user"? hell, when I smoked pot and did > > > > OK, screw the "recreational" part: legalize all drugs and give everyone enough > > rope to hang themselves with. I favor a less paternalistic government than > > you apparently do. > > Agreed. What ever happened to taking responsibility for one's actions? > Now Big Daddy (aka Uncle Sam) has to make sure everything is nice and > safe for all the children (aka us). > > > Elsewhere he writes: > > > Eric Bloom's comments in Live 76 are dated...different time, different > > > society... > > > > Are your opinions so weak that they depend on which time or society you find > > yourself in? The issues are still the same. > > Maybe it all boils down to one issue; do the rules of your society make > sense? > > Guido > > obCDplayer--The Snake Music by Mark Nauseef and Miroslav Tadic > > -- > If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse > From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Jul 21 05:23:45 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 11:23:45 +0200 Subject: HW: Open air Message-ID: Hi folks It was sunny but in the night cold evening. HAWKWIND came on stage at 0:50h and played for 110 minutes. 30000 people were there and about 10000 have seen HAWKWIND Came back at come at 05:50h and catched 4 hours sleep Here is the track-listing: BURG HERZBERG, 21.07.1996, 110/9 abducted / psi power / awakening/ photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent Very special was SECRET AGENT. Very long (12 minutes) with lots of guitar playing by Dave. Best songs: SECRET AGENT, STEPPENWOLF, AEROSPACEAGE INFERNO We had a lot of fun and had the chance to speak with Ron and Alan btw. the video is very good but I can't feel my arms anymore. Had to stand and hold the camera the complete 2 hours :-// Bernhard From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Jul 21 08:48:07 1996 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:48:07 +0200 Subject: OFF: New mail-address. Message-ID: Greetings Hawkfans! Just wanna tell you that I got a new mail-address, it?s henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com All the best Henrik -- ========================================================== "We were born to go / As far as we can fly / Turn electric dreams / Into reality" Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / 100522.44 at compuserve.com Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sun Jul 21 12:01:53 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 12:01:53 -0400 Subject: OFF: Converting vid formats Message-ID: Hello Hawkfriends, I often see mention of problems between different vid formats, NTSC?, and such. I am not very knowledgable about this stuff. What I would like to know is, what would a vid look like in the US if it were not in the correct format? I recieved a vid in trade that when I played, everyone looked silver. You could tell it was HW, and it began with a rehersal, and then it switched to an outdoor stage, and the band was having some sort of "best tits" or wet t-shirt contest. I couldn't tell what exactly cause everyone was fuzzy and silver. Is this a very very old, badly recorded tape or is it in the wrong format? Hopefully it is the latter and I can have it switched. Also does anyone recognize this show, and if so, which one is it? Thanks, Duane (aka Partyboy) From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sun Jul 21 12:39:56 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 12:39:56 -0400 Subject: OFF: Converting vid formats In-Reply-To: <199607211601.AA12371@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Jul 21, 96 12:01:53 pm Message-ID: Duane asks.... > > Hello Hawkfriends, > > I often see mention of problems between different vid formats, NTSC?, > and such. I am not very knowledgable about this stuff. What I would like to > know is, what would a vid look like in the US if it were not in the correct >format? I recieved a vid in trade that when I played, everyone looked silver. Well, if it was just Nik that was silver, I'd say the video was fine. :) But I assume that it was a PAL format tape you were watching. I thought that PAL would just look like snow on a NTSC player, but maybe some of the video comes through. I'll have to check....I believe I have this tape you're talking about. From the wet T-shirt bit, I'd say it's stuff from the Live '79-'89 video the band put out themselves (through HW merchandising, N. Devon and Brian Tawn as intermediary). It was a whole bunch of stuff from various locations/tours. The 16 TV screen gigs are in there, the World of Tiers video is at the front, and various festivals are shown. Greatly varying quality. I have the PAL tape (it wasn't offered in NTSC), but I had it converted over. If I remember tonight, I'll throw the original PAL into my player and see what happens. It's expensive to have a commercial place transfer video - I'd guess $30 or so. If you really wanted it done, I could dub my NTSC tape for you instead. (I don't think the quality is worth spending another $30 on this. It's interesting for 'historical' purposes more than it is great to watch/listen to. For that, I'd recommend Live Legends.) I'd just have to find someone with another VCR. Mine is stereo, and I'd try to find another stereo one to do the dubbing, assuming of course, that the tape itself is stereo itself (I don't know.) Gimme a personal e-mail if interested...khenders at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Keith H. (FAA) From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sun Jul 21 13:55:43 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:55:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: Converting vid formats In-Reply-To: <199607211601.AA12371@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, Duane Hoyt asks: > I often see mention of problems between different vid formats, NTSC?, > and such. I am not very knowledgable about this stuff. What I would like to > know is, what would a vid look like in the US if it were not in the correct > format? I recieved a vid in trade that when I played, everyone looked silver. > You could tell it was HW, and it began with a rehersal, and then it switched > to an outdoor stage, and the band was having some sort of "best tits" or > wet t-shirt contest. I couldn't tell what exactly cause everyone was fuzzy and > silver. Is this a very very old, badly recorded tape or is it in the wrong > format? Hopefully it is the latter and I can have it switched. I don't think you'd get any recognisable picture showing a PAL/SECAM video on an NTSC TV. I can't see how you'd get any sync. For one, the two systems have differing frame rates (30 fps NTSC vs 25 fps PAL), and differing numbers of lines per frame (480(?) NTSC vs 525 PAL). In addition, PAL and NTSC encode chrominance and luminance with differing amounts of bandwidth (PAL gives more bandwith to luminance than NTSC does, and this is why you get a much better picture with PAL/SECAM compared to NTSC, because the human eye is more sensitive to luminance than chrominance). I think you just have a poor 2^Nth generation copy, alas. As for identifying the material, I'm afraid I can't help you there. The wet t-shirt contest + outdoor gig suggests a biker festival to me; is it the Bristol Custom Bike Show? ;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From skarsol at EROLS.COM Sun Jul 21 10:24:48 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:24:48 +0000 Subject: OFF: Converting vid formats Message-ID: Duane Hoyt wrote: > > Hello Hawkfriends, > > I often see mention of problems between different vid formats, NTSC?, > and such. I am not very knowledgable about this stuff. What I would like to > know is, what would a vid look like in the US if it were not in the correct > format? I recieved a vid in trade that when I played, everyone looked silver. > You could tell it was HW, and it began with a rehersal, and then it switched > to an outdoor stage, and the band was having some sort of "best tits" or > wet t-shirt contest. I couldn't tell what exactly cause everyone was fuzzy and > silver. Is this a very very old, badly recorded tape or is it in the wrong > format? Hopefully it is the latter and I can have it switched. Also does > anyone recognize this show, and if so, which one is it? > Thanks, > > Duane (aka Partyboy) it sounds like one that has been converted from pal to ntsc. if it was pal you wouldn't see anything. you got this from randy, didn't you... this is a collection from different festivals and private parties. rj From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sun Jul 21 16:05:45 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 16:05:45 -0400 Subject: OFF: Converting vid formats Message-ID: Duane asks; > >> I often see mention of problems between different vid formats, NTSC?, >> and such. I am not very knowledgable about this stuff. What I would like to >> know is, what would a vid look like in the US if it were not in the correct >> format? I recieved a vid in trade that when I played, everyone looked silver. >> You could tell it was HW, and it began with a rehersal, and then it switched >> to an outdoor stage, and the band was having some sort of "best tits" or >> wet t-shirt contest. I couldn't tell what exactly cause everyone was fuzzy and >> silver. Is this a very very old, badly recorded tape or is it in the wrong >> format? Hopefully it is the latter and I can have it switched. And Paul kindly replied; >I don't think you'd get any recognisable picture showing a PAL/SECAM video >on an NTSC TV. I can't see how you'd get any sync. For one, the two >systems have differing frame rates (30 fps NTSC vs 25 fps PAL), and >differing numbers of lines per frame (480(?) NTSC vs 525 PAL). In >addition, PAL and NTSC encode chrominance and luminance with differing >amounts of bandwidth (PAL gives more bandwith to luminance than NTSC does, >and this is why you get a much better picture with PAL/SECAM compared to >NTSC, because the human eye is more sensitive to luminance than >chrominance). The sound is o.k., you can kinda tell it's Dave & Co., maybe they all borrowed Nik's paint as Keith alluded to :-) >I think you just have a poor 2^Nth generation copy, alas. That's what I was afraid of. I was told this tape was a rarity, but as a fledgling collector, I don't quite know what is rare and what is not. Even a common HW item could be considered a bit of a rarity outside the circles of HW collectors. I would assume there is no way to digitally restore the picture, or if there is, it would not be cost-effective. > >As for identifying the material, I'm afraid I can't help you there. The >wet t-shirt contest + outdoor gig suggests a biker festival to me; is it >the Bristol Custom Bike Show? ;-) > I checked the gigslist that was posted awhile back, and there is a show on video that might match up to this as it cites a rehersal on the tape. I can't access that list at the moment, so I can't say for sure which one it was. Thanks, Duane From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sun Jul 21 16:09:21 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 16:09:21 -0400 Subject: OFF: Converting vid formats Message-ID: > >Duane Hoyt wrote: >> >> Hello Hawkfriends, >> >> I often see mention of problems between different vid formats, NTSC?, >> and such. I am not very knowledgable about this stuff. What I would like to >> know is, what would a vid look like in the US if it were not in the correct >> format? I recieved a vid in trade that when I played, everyone looked silver. >> You could tell it was HW, and it began with a rehersal, and then it switched >> to an outdoor stage, and the band was having some sort of "best tits" or >> wet t-shirt contest. I couldn't tell what exactly cause everyone was fuzzy and >> silver. Is this a very very old, badly recorded tape or is it in the wrong >> format? Hopefully it is the latter and I can have it switched. Also does >> anyone recognize this show, and if so, which one is it? >> Thanks, >> >> Duane (aka Partyboy) > >it sounds like one that has been converted from pal to ntsc. if it was pal you wouldn't >see anything. you got this from randy, didn't you... >this is a collection from different festivals and private parties. rj > Nope, I didn't get this from Randy. The guy I got this from isn't on this discussion list, but I did run across him on the internet. He is in Texas. Possibly he got it from Randy? Duane From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Jul 21 21:09:52 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 21:09:52 BST Subject: HW: videos and Estivals In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:55:43 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, Duane Hoyt asks: > > > You could tell it was HW, and it began with a rehersal, and then it switched > > to an outdoor stage, and the band was having some sort of "best tits" or > > wet t-shirt contest. I couldn't tell what exactly cause everyone was fuzzy and > > silver. Is this a very very old, badly recorded tape or is it in the wrong > > format? Hopefully it is the latter and I can have it switched. > I think you just have a poor 2^Nth generation copy, alas. > > As for identifying the material, I'm afraid I can't help you there. The > wet t-shirt contest + outdoor gig suggests a biker festival to me; is it > the Bristol Custom Bike Show? ;-) > I'm fairly sure Paul is right about the biker festival - it actually sounds very much like the 1994 Derby Rock and Blues show at Pentrich. There's an official video put out by the organisers but it only has about 10-15 mins at the very end with Hawkwind plus the light show followed by a Miss Wet T Shirt competition. Strangely enough the makers did not add the Mr Wet Y Fronts competition which followed this.... My guess is that you either have a very poor quality copy where the lightshow has fuzzed everything out (pity - the original, if you can find it is pretty good) or you've got a PAL format that isn't playing well on NTSC (Never Twice The Same Colour - as I am informed). It's also possible that this is an NTSC video that someone has converted from PAL but it hasn't converted well - this is a common problem too. I really wish they'd put more of the Hawkwind gig onto this tape - it really was a stunning show and the small snippet only tantalises the memory. Sigh. So who's going to Langtree and where should we meet before the gig? If there's a beer tent shall we say meet there about an hour before the band are due to go on stage - whenever that is? That should still give time to find a good position in front of the stage. If there isn't a beer tent... heck I dunno. Someone suggest something 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sun Jul 21 16:38:57 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 16:38:57 -0400 Subject: OFF: Acronyms explained In-Reply-To: <9607212109.aa10506@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Jill writes: > find it is pretty good) or you've got a PAL format that isn't playing > well on NTSC (Never Twice The Same Colour - as I am informed). It's NTSC : Never Twice the Same Colour PAL : Perfection At Last! ...as they're affectionately known. ;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From skarsol at EROLS.COM Sun Jul 21 16:08:04 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 20:08:04 +0000 Subject: OFF: Converting vid formats Message-ID: Duane Hoyt wrote: > > > > >Duane Hoyt wrote: > >> > >> Hello Hawkfriends, > >> > >> I often see mention of problems between different vid formats, NTSC?, > >> and such. I am not very knowledgable about this stuff. What I would like to > >> know is, what would a vid look like in the US if it were not in the correct > >> format? I recieved a vid in trade that when I played, everyone looked silver. > >> You could tell it was HW, and it began with a rehersal, and then it switched > >> to an outdoor stage, and the band was having some sort of "best tits" or > >> wet t-shirt contest. I couldn't tell what exactly cause everyone was fuzzy and > >> silver. Is this a very very old, badly recorded tape or is it in the wrong > >> format? Hopefully it is the latter and I can have it switched. Also does > >> anyone recognize this show, and if so, which one is it? > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Duane (aka Partyboy) > > > >it sounds like one that has been converted from pal to ntsc. if it was pal you wouldn't > >see anything. you got this from randy, didn't you... > >this is a collection from different festivals and private parties. rj > > > Nope, I didn't get this from Randy. The guy I got this from isn't on this > discussion list, but I did run across him on the internet. He is in Texas. > Possibly he got it from Randy? > > Duane do you know who i mean by randy? rpm texas? rj From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sun Jul 21 22:06:35 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 22:06:35 -0400 Subject: HW: videos and Estivals Message-ID: Jill replies: >Paul Mather writes: > >> On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, Duane Hoyt asks: >> >> > You could tell it was HW, and it began with a rehersal, and then it switched >> > to an outdoor stage, and the band was having some sort of "best tits" or >> > wet t-shirt contest. I couldn't tell what exactly cause everyone was fuzzy and >> > silver. Is this a very very old, badly recorded tape or is it in the wrong >> > format? Hopefully it is the latter and I can have it switched. > > >I'm fairly sure Paul is right about the biker festival - it actually >sounds very much like the 1994 Derby Rock and Blues show at Pentrich. >There's an official video put out by the organisers but it only has >about 10-15 mins at the very end with Hawkwind plus the light show >followed by a Miss Wet T Shirt competition. Strangely enough the >makers did not add the Mr Wet Y Fronts competition which followed >this.... I will go back and check this tape for the exact songs and such. I presently have it lent out to a freind who is trying to see if it is a format problem or just a crappy tape. As soon as I get it back I will post the songs. > >My guess is that you either have a very poor quality copy where the >lightshow has fuzzed everything out (pity - the original, if you can >find it is pretty good) or you've got a PAL format that isn't playing >well on NTSC (Never Twice The Same Colour - as I am informed). It's >also possible that this is an NTSC video that someone has converted >from PAL but it hasn't converted well - this is a common problem too. > >I really wish they'd put more of the Hawkwind gig onto this tape - it >really was a stunning show and the small snippet only tantalises the >memory. Sigh. There is no other bands on this tape, so if it is this show, it is edited. I must confess I don't know how long this tape is, as I was so frustrated watching a bunch of fuzzy silver people, that I shut it off rather quickly. I'm beginning to think it is just a crap tape that has been copied so many times it has lost all it's detail. See ya, Duane From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sun Jul 21 22:13:18 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 22:13:18 -0400 Subject: OFF: Converting vid formats Message-ID: rj states: >> >it sounds like one that has been converted from pal to ntsc. if it was pal you wouldn't >> >see anything. you got this from randy, didn't you... >> >this is a collection from different festivals and private parties. rj >> > >> Nope, I didn't get this from Randy. The guy I got this from isn't on this >> discussion list, but I did run across him on the internet. He is in Texas. >> Possibly he got it from Randy? >> >> Duane > >do you know who i mean by randy? rpm texas? rj > > If both guys are in Texas, good chance it's from the same source. Don't know who you mean though, sorry:-( The guy I know is Rob. Duane From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jul 22 04:06:24 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:06:24 +0200 Subject: ON: THIRD WORLD WAR!!! Message-ID: This band is great! They released two albums in 1971 and 72, and out of curiosity I ordered their first album (on CD) from Blackmail in the UK. Very heavy, take no prisoners political heavy metal. Imagine a cross between early Hawkwind (Urban Guerilla or Ejection come to mind) and Blue Oyster Cult (say, Transmaniacon MC or Hot Rails to Hell) with a good dose of MC5 and Steppenwolf or Blue Cheer... rumbling heavy bass, very heavy chopping guitars, the odd sax, angry lyrics about revolution and violence... songs like Ascension Day ("When we rise, power to the people, when we rise, power to the workers, on ascension day"), M.I.5's Alive ("Let's free the working class, we're tired of licking the government's ass"), Preaching Violence, Working Class Man and Get Out of Bed You Dirty Red are uncompromisingly angry and heavy riff-o-rama tunes. Very ahead of its time and it comes highly recommended! Christian From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Mon Jul 22 05:05:34 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:05:34 +0100 Subject: UK trip Message-ID: Jerry wrote: > In September I'll make a trip to the UK, to see the Rotherham progrock fest, > Sep 27. Are there any other gigs around Rotherham or around London that > weekend? Ooh, what, who, when, where, why is the Rotherham prog festival? Err sorry, let me be clearer.... Could you let me have any info that you've got on this event? Chris From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jul 22 06:38:38 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:38:38 +0200 Subject: Best of HW covers & Assassins of Silence/Hundred Watt Violence Message-ID: I've made a "best of" tape for a friend of the covers tapes/album. He's not a huge HW fan, but owns like 5 or 6 albums, so I made a selection of what I thought was best and would interest him - there's plenty of stuff I'd included, but I felt I also had to take into account sound quality as well as varied interesting and diverse interpretations, and decided to squeeze it all (22 tracks) on one 100 minute tape, and I figured it may be of some interest: Side 1: Hurry on Sundown/Finally Balanced Master of the Universe/Wat Tyler Silver Machine/Alien Sex Fiend Quark, Strangeness & Charm/Puff Tube Hassan I Sahba (spoken version)/Tibetan Bowlers Assault & Battery, Golden Void/Dark Sun Space is Deep/Human Pot Pie Flying Doctor/Gorilla Magnu: Angels of Death/The Moor Urban Guerilla/Fuzzface Side 2: Robot/F/i Sonic Attack/Architectural Metaphor Orgone Accumulator/Suffacox The Right Stuff/Dark Sun Right To Decide & Washing Machine medley/Mark Radcliffe & Co. The Watcher/ST37 Brainstorm/Monster Magnet Ejection/New Bomb Turks Lost Johnny/Mick Farren & The New Wave Master of The Universe/Vertigo Hassan I Sahba (hardcore version)/Tibetan Bowlers As for the last one, it was really only filler, but I thought it had some novelty value (in contrast to their bizarre spoken version!). I liked all the versions of Hurry on Sundown alot, but for some reason I liked the Finally Balanced one best and had to take a pick.... I also thought Silver Kerching, The Thing/It's So Easy and Das Ludicroix/Ejection were worthy, but again, I had limited space to work with. And I probably would have included Dumpy's Rusty Nuts/Hawkwind if the sound was better. Bit of a letdown that there were IMHO no worthy versions of Spirit of the Age. I'd be interested in hearing what peolple think of my selection... Christian From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Mon Jul 22 06:45:10 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:45:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK Help Needed! In-Reply-To: <960720110706_241825426@emout15.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Reply to DFrost8547 about OFF: UK Help Needed! >RAW magazine has apparently moved from its Carnaby St address in London since >it favorably reviewed "Eponymous"--would someone in the UK please be so kind >as to forward me the new address? THANK YOU! DF Can't give you the address but something you may not know. RAW has changed their editorial policy and is now a indie type magazine covering very little heavy music. I used to buy it every issue but don't even give it a second look anymore. this happened almost overnight about 6 months ago. One month it was situation normal, the next it didn't feature one band I was interested in and continued like that. In fact, I can't remember when I saw the last issue. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Mon Jul 22 11:47:07 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:47:07 U Subject: OFF: [Fwd: Future Fantastic I robot] Message-ID: Hmmm... Sounds very dubious to me...! Cheers, Rich. ** Supercalifragalisticborussiamunchengladbach ** _______________________________________________________________________________ From: Dave Phelan on Mon, Jul 22, 1996 11:37 am I don't believe this... Anyone care to correct me? Dave >From: rodrigop at olddipesh.agw.bt.co.uk (Paulo Rodrigues) >Newsgroups: bt.misc >Subject: Future Fantastic I robot > >I came across this site that is all about >the future fantastic series with wassaerface from >the xfiles. > >http://www.bbcnc.org.uk/tv/tworld/future.html > >I've only seen the one show "I Robot" which >was interesting even if the delivery was a bit >silly. > >http://www.bbcnc.org.uk/tv/tworld/ff2.html > >It reminded me of the time when I did some work >on robotics while at university. We had built >some six legged vacuum cleaner robots which used >a combination of genetic algorithms and neural nets >to learn and evolve. The sole purpose of these creatures >was to pick up material from the floor and deposit it >in a central area where it was later collected. The >critters were rewarded according to the amount of >material they were able to pick up. > >After a number of tests in the lab we decided it was time >to see how they would fare in the real world. So we let >them lose in the college canteen, where they spent their >first day learning to walk. By the end of that first day, to >the amusement of the other students, almost all of our >robotic creatures were successfully walking around >randomly picking up rubbish. > >By the end of the second day some most of the robots had >figured out that if they walked towards the stuff on the >floor that they could collect more of it and pretty soon they >got much more efficient. They worked out that where there >were people, there was rubbish and they started following people >around in the canteen dashing after scraps. > >We were extremely pleased with progress until the fourth day. >Some of the robots started exhibiting rather strange behaviour. >Throughout the week the robots had been perfecting their walking >behaviour, however some of them still had some quirks. On the >fourth day we noticed that some of the robots had degenerated >and developed odd and in some cases amusing walking styles. > >It took us three days to work out what was happening and in that >time their behaviour had become deeply disturbing. It turns out >that an old lady from one of the basket weaving classes had >been feeding the robots scraps of food as if they were birds and >those robots which behaved in the most amusing fashion were rewarded >with extra portions. By the fifth day they had started to perform >acrobatics that we would not have thought possible. > >It was only on the sixth day, when we heard the old person scream as one >of the robots accidentally jumped on her and knocked over her >hand bag, that we found out what had been going on. But by then >the robots were learning at a tremendous rate. Once they realised that >they could generate rubbish by jumping and knocking things over, there >was no stopping them. They were getting on tables, ambushing students >at the cash desk and even attacking each other to get the scraps. > >Regretably we were forced to end the experiment. After that, funding for >robotics was slashed at the university and we were not able to perfect our >creations. > >=============================================================== >Project -> http://www.lsec.bt.com/old_ec1/projects/glossi.htm >Unless otherwise stated my views are my own and not those of BT >=============================================================== > From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 22 11:58:02 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:58:02 BST Subject: OFF: Converting vid formats In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Sun, 21 Jul 1996 12:01:53 -0400 Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > Hello Hawkfriends, > > I often see mention of problems between different vid formats, NTSC?, > and such. I am not very knowledgable about this stuff. What I would like to > know is, what would a vid look like in the US if it were not in the correct > format? I recieved a vid in trade that when I played, everyone looked silver. > You could tell it was HW, and it began with a rehersal, and then it switched > to an outdoor stage, and the band was having some sort of "best tits" or > wet t-shirt contest. I couldn't tell what exactly cause everyone was fuzzy and > silver. Is this a very very old, badly recorded tape or is it in the wrong > format? Hopefully it is the latter and I can have it switched. Also does > anyone recognize this show, and if so, which one is it? > Thanks, Sounds like it's one of the two Bristol Bikeshow gigs that are on video. > Duane (aka Partyboy) FoFP From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Jul 22 12:53:16 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:53:16 BST Subject: OFF: [Fwd: Future Fantastic I robot] Message-ID: > > > >It was only on the sixth day, when we heard the old person scream as one > >of the robots accidentally jumped on her and knocked over her > >hand bag, that we found out what had been going on. But by then > >the robots were learning at a tremendous rate. Once they realised that > >they could generate rubbish by jumping and knocking things over, there > >was no stopping them. They were getting on tables, ambushing students > >at the cash desk and even attacking each other to get the scraps. > > Anything which ambushes students is alright by me!!! How much money do you need to continue research? ;) bye - Rob From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Mon Jul 22 13:19:27 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:19:27 U Subject: OFF: UK Help Needed! Message-ID: >RAW magazine has apparently moved from its Carnaby St address in London since >it favorably reviewed "Eponymous"--would someone in the UK please be so kind >as to forward me the new address? >THANK YOU! >DF RAW - the offshoot of Kerrang! magazine aimed at younger / less knowlegable readers (their words, not mine - I went for an interview there once) - has moved (I'm not sure that it's still published by EMAP) and has changed completely into a Pulp/Blur/Oasis kind of mag. Basically, it's still crap, but now is unlikely to cover anything of great interest to anyone on BOC-L. Cheers, Rich. ** varch ** From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Jul 22 09:59:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:59:00 -0500 Subject: LIVE74' Message-ID: I know that there was some discussion about the a live CD coming out from Chicago 1974. I have the fan club tape put out by MAN called the 1999 tour tape which was recorded in Chicago in 1974. I would imagine this is from the same tour. The MAN show is great! Any more word on if this will get out this year? Where is the Alan Davey CD? SCott ObCD- Groundhogs- Split P.S> I may have a job lined up next year in Copenhagen. IF anyone out there has lived there or has any info about please send me some personal e-mail: hellers at a1.mgh.harvard.edu. I have not idea what it would be like for an american to live there for 3 years?? Expensive,e tc... Salary is likely to be quite good (>200,000 krones). From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Jul 22 09:09:17 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:09:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: Converting vid formats In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jul 21, 96 01:55:43 pm Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > I don't think you'd get any recognisable picture showing a PAL/SECAM video > on an NTSC TV. I can't see how you'd get any sync. You don't, and you can't. I know, I tried it anyway, just for the hell of it. What you *do* get is several parallel almost-horizontal bands of video, each displaying the exact same 1/12 or so of the total picture. Enough that you can often identify the subject of the video by sort of squinting at it and tilting your head to one side. :) Steve swann at panix.com From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Jul 22 11:09:26 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:09:26 EST Subject: OFF: Converting vid formats Message-ID: I'm pretty certain I know which vid this one is. It is quite possibly from Cricket St.Thomas, 6/4/83, about 110min. I have a copy that was converted from PAL at some point, but the original quality was never better than "bootleg" quality. The vid starts with a view of a field (late afternoon), with long-hairs scattered around in small groups. You see a half-dome type shell where the band will later play. Then, the vid switches to night, and Nik is running a wet-tshirt contest (pretty regular event at HW gigs, IMO). Then, another cut, and the band starts playing. If you want, I may even have prepared a tracklist already, for comparison to _your_ tape. And, this vid is not exactly a common one among HW traders, probably due to the poor picture quality. I don't know any other (US) traders that have a better copy. My copy shows the washed-out look of too many generations. All persons are silver/white, with most detail and shadowing lost from their appearance. I identify HW members by voice when they speak, rather than looks. My copy was a "camera transfer", meaning that a camcorder was used to convert from PAL-to-NTSC. This results in a continual flickering throughout the entire vid. When I have received PAL videos before, and I've played them back on an NTSC VCR, the picture is completely scrambled. The effect is similar to VCR heads that refuse to track correctly (out of sync). Any "washed-out" effect is merely due to multi-generations, and possibly a poor PAL-to-NTSC conversion (such as a camera transfer). Hopefully this is pretty close to the mark. Cheers! Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Mon Jul 22 13:01:25 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:01:25 +0000 Subject: HW: Lyrics site Message-ID: Scuse this simple question, but a quick search of alta-vista didn't turn up a lyrics site. Where is it and specifically has it got the lyrics to Upside-Down ? Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 22 18:12:26 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 18:12:26 BST Subject: HW: Solstice arrives In-Reply-To: 617's message of Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:59:00 -0500 Message-ID: 617 writes: > Where is the Alan Davey CD? > "due shortly" according to the bit of paper that C&D sent with the Solstice Single. Yes folks, the Ritual of the Solstice remixes is out! My copy just arrived. Haven't played it yet tho' so have no idea what it's like. More later. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jul 22 12:54:04 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:54:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Lyrics site In-Reply-To: <31F3A5D5.BAA@mic.dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <31F3A5D5.BAA at mic.dundee.ac.uk>, Andy Cobley writes >Scuse this simple question, but a quick search of alta-vista >didn't turn up a lyrics site. Where is it and specifically >has it got the lyrics to Upside-Down ? > >Andy C >-- >Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers >To join javap-uk send the command: >Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname >mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk Hi Andy! What's your e-mail address? I have a file you might like a copy of. -- Jon Browne From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 22 19:06:26 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 19:06:26 BST Subject: HW: around the world.... Message-ID: Errm - just out of curiousity! The planetary globe on the Web page seems to be tilted in the right direction - I think - and being sorta blue and green and white in colour I'd assumed it was representative of planet Earth. If so why is it spinning from E -> W ? Of course it's probably not Earth at all but the fabled lost planet of the Hawklords, the founding creators of Doremi and when we walk widdershins (counterclockwise - the the direction of the spin of the earth - which is one of the way to raise aspects from the spirit world) is merely a buried genetic race memory of how things once were elsewhere. Or I could be havering! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Mon Jul 22 16:58:09 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:58:09 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Where to find tBS in Quebec ? Message-ID: Hi folks, I'm currently on vacation in Brossard (Quebec) and I have two questions for the list : 1) Have the Brain Surgeons' albums been released on tape or are they only available on CD ? (Deb, Al ?) Same question for the Bad Channels soundtrack, while I'm at it :-) 2) Since I can't seem to find the above in France, I'm gonna take this opportunity to buy them here. Does anyone on the list know where I could buy these albums around here (even in Montreal) ? I've already tried several stores, but no one seems to carry them... HMV told me they could order tBS, but that it'd take 3 to 4 weeks for delivery... but I probably won't be staying here that long ! :-( Thanks ! Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rock In Progress - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6891 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Jul 22 20:14:17 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 19:14:17 -0500 Subject: Rather sparse today, esp. for a Monday... Message-ID: Definitely sparse... I've gotten - what - 5 messages all day? Damon From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Mon Jul 22 21:33:45 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:33:45 -0400 Subject: Rather sparse today, esp. for a Monday... In-Reply-To: from "Damon C Capehart" at Jul 22, 96 07:14:17 pm Message-ID: Damon said... > > Definitely sparse... I've gotten - what - 5 messages all day? Well, I've gotten at least six, so maybe something's wrong with your server. :) Mebbe people are at home watching the Olympics. Or perhaps it's just because it's prime vacation time. I think also that some people may be 'off' for the summer quarter, those that are university-affiliated (which is alot). I'd love to hear a full review of the Burg Herzburg festival...were there really 30,000 folks there (and 10,000 at the HW performance)?? That'd be cool to see. What sort of performance did Ax Genrich, Guru Guru, and Chris Karrer (did he really show?) put on?? Bernhard?? Keith H. P.S. Waiting for distance events myself.....Morceli, Gebrselassie, Columbus' Bob Kennedy (good luck!) From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Jul 22 19:53:29 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:53:29 +0000 Subject: Best of HW covers & Assassins of Silence/Hundred Watt Violence Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > > I've made a "best of" tape for a friend of the covers tapes/album. i am doing the same thing for myself,with MY favorite tunes. i would imagine many are doing the same thing. but it is a good idea as some may not have access to some of the material. do it! rj :) From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Jul 22 19:58:13 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:58:13 +0000 Subject: HW: around the world.... Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > Errm - just out of curiousity! The planetary globe on the Web page > seems to be tilted in the right direction - I think - and being sorta > blue and green and white in colour I'd assumed it was representative > of planet Earth. If so why is it spinning from E -> W ? Of course > it's probably not Earth at all but the fabled lost planet of the > Hawklords, the founding creators of Doremi and when we walk widdershins > (counterclockwise - the the direction of the spin of the earth - which > is one of the way to raise aspects from the spirit world) is merely > a buried genetic race memory of how things once were elsewhere. > > Or I could be havering! > > jill " where the landscape boiled with a million strange flowers and the sun set in the east." rj From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Mon Jul 22 23:34:19 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:34:19 CDT Subject: HW: Re: CYM and Sonic A. (was NEWS FLASH!!) Message-ID: >On Sat, 6 Jul 1996, SKARSOL wrote: >> okay doug, name your source.not more than a week ago,dave brock said to >> me that we will most likely never see either of these on cd. >> so i wonder,if this is so,will hw see any return at all from this? >> btw-i heard this news about 3 days ago.so don't take my doubt personal. > >His source (same as mine) is Mike Coleman, whose source is Brian "The >Horse's Mouth" Tawn. I'd say Tawn is a purty good source. :) True, thanks Damon for your reply in my absence. Acutally there was another reason for believing it would happen this time. The specifics about the release and which label, connected to a name of a hawkfan I talked to on the phone 3 or 4 years ago. Sounded OK to me. :-) As it turns out its all a moot point now (see my next post). Rejoice children of the Hawk. PS RJ, you had good reason for your request considering who you party with lately... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Doug Bates Systems Analyst Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham Voice (205) 934-9087 Fax (205) 975-7129 Email dbates at uab.edu From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Tue Jul 23 00:09:27 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:09:27 CDT Subject: Hawkwind Message-ID: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Doug Bates Systems Analyst Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham Voice (205) 934-9087 Fax (205) 975-7129 Email dbates at uab.edu ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Dear fellow Hawkfan, I have just come off the BOC/Hawkwind mailing list, and I have been reading the backlog of messages about all things Hawkwind. I was more than a bit distressed by the innuendo that was flying around about Hawkwind and my company Griffin Music. I wonder if you would post this message onto the mailing list as I am not sure exactly how to do this myself. I would like to clarify some facts for the Hawkwind community. First: As regards the T-shirt shortage on the last US Tour. Griffin manufactured the shirts in quantities that the band wanted. The number was based on what was deemed necessary and they were as shocked as we were when we had to go back and order more after the first couple of nights. I personally attended the first few nights and we were all taken aback by the demand. It was unfortunate but we simply couldn't get a second order made in less than five days and still get them to the location of the band. Second: Yes Griffin had a problem last month with Doug Smith regarding two pieces that were sold on to a discounter. The two titles were The Business Trip and Hawklords Live. A decision was made to move some out at a low price to reduce inventory. Doug contacted me and said he had a problem with this as it makes the perception that they were now deleted. On receiving his complaint the process stopped and they are now no longer available at the lower price. This was resolved in one afternoon. Third: Yes Griffin is releasing Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques. I personally did the packaging and negotiated the contract. I approached Doug Smith about the two pieces over three years ago. He told me then that it would be very difficult to do a deal with Active to get them released but he didn't care if I tried. I also asked Dave Brock at the time and he didn't mind either. After three years of constantly haranguing the owner I finally got the deal done. I informed Doug Smith's office the next day. A week later I spoke again to the owner of the tapes who asked if I could contact Dave Brock about the packaging etc. I called Dave immediately and we talked through the packaging concept, which he approved. The composers of the songs will be getting their usual royalties, Active are getting their royalty which will be applied to their balance with the band and I have been told by Active that after the album is given it's initial airing the tapes will be turned over to the band and will revert to their control. Yes both CD's are coming with bonus tracks, (Transdimensional Man, Silver Machine and Psychedelic Warlords), both feature concert programme clippings and both will be released simultaneously in the UK and the USA. (Active are doing them in the UK. Release date is set for late August.) Fourth: Doug Smith has been a great friend to Griffin Music. He trusted us when no one else would. He attended many of the shows on the last tour of the USA and did his bit to help smooth things along. He has, to his credit, finally started to bring the Hawkwind catalog back into the band's control. EBS is the band's own label and it was established to take care of them. Hawkwind are getting more attention now than they have for years, and I like to think that we at Griffin had a small hand in making that happen. If the future determines that Hawkwind and Griffin go their separate ways, it will be a sad occasion, but I have enjoyed enormously the opportunity I have had to participate with the legend and I hope that our paths will continue on the same course as long as possible. Robert Godwin (Director Griffin Music) From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Jul 23 00:38:50 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 00:38:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: UK Help Needed! Message-ID: Is Phil Alexander still the editor? Would still appreciate the address and info even if everyone thinx it's crap. How about Kerrang! ? Don't tell me that doesn't exist now! What is the world coming to? DF From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Tue Jul 23 04:32:00 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:32:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK Help Needed! In-Reply-To: <960723003849_162069598@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Reply to DFrost8547 about Re: OFF: UK Help Needed! >Is Phil Alexander still the editor? >Would still appreciate the address and info even if everyone thinx it's crap. >How about Kerrang! ? Don't tell me that doesn't exist now! What is the world >coming to? DF Kerrang is still going strong. Every Wednesday. Still covers good stuff. Not as good as it used to be though. They have organised the second stage line up an Donnington this year too! Metal Hammer is also still going. Addresses(If you need them) for these two are - Kerrang Emap Metro Second Floor Mappin House 4 Winsley Street London W1N 7AR Phone 0171 436 1515 Fax 0171 312 8910 Editor is Phil Alexander A good contact may be Xavier Russell. As I remember he was alway pretty good to boc in the past as I remember(could be wrong) So could be interested in BS. Metal Hammer 19 Bolsover Street London W1P 7HJ Phone 0171 631 1433 Fax 0171 917 7655 Editor is Robyn Doreian(0171 917 3846), Reviews editor is Dan Silver(0171 917 3843). This is an ok mag. Out monthly. Does cover BOC/BS type stuff. This info is from the latest issues, hope it is useful. Also, Someone said that Raw was an offshoot off Kerrang. As far as I know this is not correct. I've been getting both magazines since issue 1(I know I'm old). Raw was created by Jonathon King as an alternative to Kerrang all though his direct involvement only lasted a few issues. They may at one time have been published by the same company but were not directly related. A lot of the journalists seemed interchangable at times with people going from one mag to another but they are independant. Also as stated before, IMHO Raw is now a waste of trees. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Jul 23 09:51:46 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:51:46 BST Subject: HW: Future Reconstructions Message-ID: I noticed that the Future Recon. album is out now, but I didn't get it. Anyone know if it's any good? bye - Rob From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Tue Jul 23 09:45:51 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:45:51 U Subject: OFF: UK Help Needed! Message-ID: >Also, Someone said that Raw was an offshoot off Kerrang. As far as I know this >is not correct. I've been getting both magazines since issue 1(I know I'm >old). >Raw was created by Jonathon King as an alternative to Kerrang all though his >direct involvement only lasted a few issues. They may at one time have been >published by the same company but were not directly related. A lot of the >journalists seemed interchangable at times with people going from one mag to >another but they are independant. Also as stated before, IMHO Raw is now a >waste of trees. Fair point. I meant that they used to be published by EMAP - I went for an Advertising sales job over both magazines, and was merely describing the way that the mags were seen by EMAP. (Incidentally, Metal Hammer is published by Dennis publishing, and at least at the time of its relaunch was staffed by a fair number of people who used to work for (the now defunct) Metal CD magazine) Cheers, Rich. ** varch ** From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue Jul 23 06:20:20 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:20:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Message-ID: Doug (no relation) Bates forwarded from Robert Godwin: > I have just come off the BOC/Hawkwind mailing list, and I have been reading > the backlog of messages about all things Hawkwind. I was more than a bit > distressed by the innuendo that was flying around about Hawkwind and my > company Griffin Music. I wonder if you would post this message onto the > mailing list as I am not sure exactly how to do this myself. > I would like to clarify some facts for the Hawkwind community. Hey, a community! Wow! I thought we were just geeks with bad haircuts :-)))) > First: As regards the T-shirt shortage on the last US Tour. Griffin > manufactured the shirts in quantities that the band wanted. The number was > based on what was deemed necessary and they were as shocked as we were when > we had to go back and order more after the first couple of nights. I > personally attended the first few nights and we were all taken aback by the > demand. Wasn't this the point being made? That demand was high, and people were hacked off at missing out, and wanted to know why? Also the great t-shirt debate was effectively making the point that HW are more popular in the US than they (or their management) might realise, and that there is pent-up demand for albums, merchandise and TOURS! > Second: Yes Griffin had a problem last month with Doug Smith regarding two > pieces that were sold on to a discounter. Ah, it appears that Mr Godwin got caught up in a game of Net Chinese Whispers. Start a rumour and it'll grow and grow and grow and mutate until it is unrecognisable. A couple of hundred fans on this mailing list can work up a fair head of hysteria if we choose to! > lower price. This was resolved in one afternoon. Around these parts one afternoon can be 50 panicky emails. Maybe BOC-L needs to spend some collective time chilling out :-) > and both will be released simultaneously in the UK and the USA. (Active are > doing them in the UK. Release date is set for late August.) And who, pary, is going to explain this one to my bank manager? > Fourth: Doug Smith has been a great friend to Griffin Music. He trusted us > when no one else would. He attended many of the shows on the last tour of > the USA and did his bit to help smooth things along. He has, to his credit, > finally started to bring the Hawkwind catalog back into the band's control. > EBS is the band's own label and it was established to take care of them. DS takes the rap for anything that goes *wrong*. That surely is part of what he earns his money for. If he didn't cop the flak the band (esp Dave) would..... > Hawkwind are getting more attention now than they have for years, and I like > to think that we at Griffin had a small hand in making that happen. Very well done. Now how are they going to get some attention here in the UK? Remember how popular they were in the early 80's with large tours of 2000 seater venues? Now techno/ambient could potentially add loads of new fans. So where is everyone? Chris From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Jul 23 03:58:44 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 07:58:44 +0000 Subject: HW: Re: CYM and Sonic A. (was NEWS FLASH!!) Message-ID: Doug wrote: > PS RJ, you had good reason for your request considering who you party > with lately... could you explain that statement, please? rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Jul 23 04:03:00 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 08:03:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Message-ID: Chris Bates wrote: > Ah, it appears that Mr Godwin got caught up in a game of Net Chinese Whispers. > Start a rumour and it'll grow and grow and grow and mutate until it is > unrecognisable. A couple of hundred fans on this mailing list can work > up a fair head of hysteria if we choose to! > > > lower price. This was resolved in one afternoon. > > Around these parts one afternoon can be 50 panicky emails. Maybe BOC-L > needs to spend some collective time chilling out :-) just want it to be known that i posted the original bit on this, and that i gave it to you exactly as dave brock gave it to me. it was, after all news. if it was based on a mis-perception,that is not my fault. i posted it not in panic but in interest. rj From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Tue Jul 23 08:13:06 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 08:13:06 -0400 Subject: ON: THIRD WORLD WAR!!! Message-ID: On Mon. July 22, Christian wrote: >This band is great! They released two albums in 1971 and 72, and out of >curiosity I ordered their first album (on CD) from Blackmail in the UK. >Very heavy, take no prisoners political heavy metal. Imagine a cross >between early Hawkwind (Urban Guerilla or Ejection come to mind) and >Blue Oyster Cult (say, Transmaniacon MC or Hot Rails to Hell) with a >good dose of MC5 and Steppenwolf or Blue Cheer... rumbling heavy bass, >very heavy chopping guitars, the odd sax, angry lyrics about revolution >and violence... songs like Ascension Day ("When we rise, power to the What's the address of Blackmail? I agree this band is cool. I actually "borrowed liberally" their riff to Ascension Day for This Ain't the Summer of Love. What ever happened to them? Are any of the members still in the biz? Al From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Jul 23 08:19:02 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 08:19:02 -0400 Subject: HW: Future Reconstructions Message-ID: I bought this partly against my better judgment, i.e. the experience of the track on the sampler (which I think is actually the weakest cut on the CD), but it's not all that bad actually. Too many of the tracks are pretty unrecognisable, which I suppose was inevitable; it;s the least messed-about-with cuts that work best for me. The most "reconstructed" track I could really say I liked was Optic Eye's "Forge of Vulcan" which is really soothing and cool. Translucent's "Shouldn't Do That" sounds just like "Trans-Europa Express"/"Metall auf Metall"... Zion Train's heavy dub "Damnation Alley" is also among the least altered, but it was still a bit too much for me! Astralasia's "Uncle Sam" was on the 1994 Quark EP, if my ears don't deceive me. I also liked the U-U-Utah Saints "Silver Machine" - it's got recognisable guitar on it, for one thing! Is this how it would have sounded if they'd had 1996 technology in 1972? Deserves to be a freak top ten hit all over again, anyway. And then there's Dr Jest (Haggis from Senser)'s "Needle Gun"... the original's not one of my favourites, but this is quite decent! Much the least "reconstructed" cut on the album, it mostly adds a drum track and *more guitar*! Which can't be bad! Don't know how many times I'll listen to it, though... - Andy From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Tue Jul 23 08:22:28 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:22:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Converting vid formats Message-ID: On the subject of converting tapes, if anyone ever needs anything done then get in touch. I can transfer NTSC to PAL, and PAL to NTSC, although I can't do Long Play NTSC tapes (Long Play is crap anyway!).I use a digital converter...no dodgy camera transfers! I don't mind doing this as long as the postage/tape costs are covered...it'll be much cheaper than getting done in a shop! cheers, Dave From mumford at EUNET.NO Tue Jul 23 08:30:57 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 14:30:57 +0200 Subject: ON: THIRD WORLD WAR!!! Message-ID: Albert T Bouchard wrote: > > What's the address of Blackmail? I agree this band is cool. I actually > "borrowed liberally" their riff to Ascension Day for This Ain't the Summer > of Love. What ever happened to them? Are any of the members still in the > biz? > Al Hi, Here's the address: Blackmail Freepost (TK974) P.O. Box 9, Brentford Middlesex, TW8 8BR England they also have an e-mail address, but I havent had too much luck with using it (it seems they respond slower to it than via snail-mail which takes only a week or two!): music-mail-order at blacmail.demon.co.uk I suggest you e-mail a request for their (excellent) catalogue and snail mail or fax the order to them (they accept all major credit cards). I have no idea what happened to the members of Third World War after they split in '72 after their second album, the short bio in the CD booklet doesen't say. I'd like to know, because they were a great band! Christian From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 23 09:15:22 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:15:22 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Where to find tBS in Quebec ? Message-ID: Alex queries: 1) Have the Brain Surgeons' albums been released on tape or are they only available on CD ? (Deb, Al ?) Same question for the Bad Channels soundtrack, while I'm at it :-) Eponymous, Trepanation, and Bad Channels are all CD-only releases 2) Since I can't seem to find the above in France, I'm gonna take this opportunity to buy them here. Does anyone on the list know where I could buy these albums around here (even in Montreal) ? I've already tried several stores, but no one seems to carry them... HMV told me they could order tBS, but that it'd take 3 to 4 weeks for delivery... but I probably won't be staying here that long ! :-( Best bet probably is to order directly from the band. To find a place that has them in your area, (or the area in Canada you'll be in), contact Big Daddy Distributors by e-mail: MikeMango at aol.com Alternatively, you could contact an online CD service known as "CDCONNCECTION" (using telnet, telnet to "cdconnection.com" - all the details on searching their catalog and ordering from them is there). They list Eponymous, Trepanation, as well as the Bad Channels soundtrack in their catalog. The wait is probably about 3-4 weeks though - similar to HMV. (Note: I have used CDCONNECTION many times in the past to order hard to find CDs, and while perhaps I could have gotten them elsewhere if I looked enough, I've always found them to be reputable and reliable). From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 23 14:30:45 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 14:30:45 BST Subject: Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Doug's message of Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:09:27 CDT Message-ID: Doug writes: > Yes Griffin is releasing Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques. I > personally did the packaging and negotiated the contract. I approached Doug > Smith about the two pieces over three years ago. He told me then that it > would be very difficult to do a deal with Active to get them released but he > didn't care if I tried. I also asked Dave Brock at the time and he didn't > mind either. After three years of constantly haranguing the owner I finally > got the deal done. I informed Doug Smith's office the next day. A week later > I spoke again to the owner of the tapes who asked if I could contact Dave > Brock about the packaging etc. I called Dave immediately and we talked > through the packaging concept, which he approved. The composers of the songs > will be getting their usual royalties, Active are getting their royalty > which will be applied to their balance with the band and I have been told by > Active that after the album is given it's initial airing the tapes will be > turned over to the band and will revert to their control. > Yes both CD's are coming with bonus tracks, (Transdimensional Man, Silver > Machine and Psychedelic Warlords), both feature concert programme clippings > and both will be released simultaneously in the UK and the USA. (Active are > doing them in the UK. Release date is set for late August.) > Robert Godwin > (Director Griffin Music) I'd certainly like to extend my congratulations and appreciation to Rob and the folks at Griffin for this achievement. I'd be grateful to Doug if he could pass them on. FoFP From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jul 23 09:38:35 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:38:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <199607231020.LAA09047@neptune.shef.ac.uk> from "Chris Bates" at Jul 23, 96 11:20:20 am Message-ID: Chris Bates writes: > > Doug (no relation) Bates forwarded from Robert Godwin: > > > and both will be released simultaneously in the UK and the USA. (Active are > > doing them in the UK. Release date is set for late August.) > > And who, pary, is going to explain this one to my bank manager? Don't try to explain to it to him, he'll only become agitated. Do what I did - drop him a note assuring him that all is well, and that the very *small* and eminently *managable* balance of debt (disregard his silly hyperbole in refering to it as "enormous" and "bankrupting") which is disturbing his digestion will be remedied *post haste*. Assuming that you get your job back, of course. And that no new Hawkwind albums come out. Ignore his pleading/threatening letters; they're very undignified from a man of his position. If he calls, pretend to be a worker in a Chinese laundromat. Hope this helps. Steve swann at panix.com From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Jul 23 15:13:48 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:13:48 BST Subject: Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Doug's message of Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:09:27 CDT Message-ID: > Yes both CD's are coming with bonus tracks, (Transdimensional Man, Silver > Machine and Psychedelic Warlords), I'm mildly surprised that the version of Urban Guerilla that was released around 1980 has not made it onto a re-release as a bonus track. Maybe if Live '79 is ever given the treatment... I'm glad to read that the rumours of a split between Griffin and EBS were exaggerated. (I have learnt to treat rumours on BOC-L with a pinch or two of salt). Dave. From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Jul 23 10:48:25 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 16:48:25 +0200 Subject: HW: German Open Air gig Message-ID: Ho there >I'd love to hear a full review of the Burg Herzburg festival...were there >really 30,000 folks there (and 10,000 at the HW performance)?? That'd be cool >to see. What sort of performance did Ax Genrich, Guru Guru, and Chris Karrer >(did he really show?) put on?? Bernhard?? I saw only one day of this festival (ANEKDOTEN, GURU GURU and of course HAWKWIND) Anekdoten isn't my favorite band. Guru Guru were a bit dissapointing.Only 5 or 6 songs were very good. HAWKWIND were (of course) phantastic, played for 110 minutes with no problems and in a good mood It is rather difficult to say how many people were there. I only know that 30000 tickets were sold cu Bernhard From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 23 16:01:48 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 16:01:48 BST Subject: HW: Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:38:35 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > Chris Bates writes: > > > > Doug (no relation) Bates forwarded from Robert Godwin: > > > > > and both will be released simultaneously in the UK and the USA. (Active are > > > doing them in the UK. Release date is set for late August.) > > > > And who, pary, is going to explain this one to my bank manager? > > Don't try to explain to it to him, he'll only become agitated. Do > what I did - drop him a note assuring him that all is well, and that > the very *small* and eminently *managable* balance of debt (disregard > his silly hyperbole in refering to it as "enormous" and "bankrupting") > which is disturbing his digestion will be remedied *post haste*. > Assuming that you get your job back, of course. And that no new > Hawkwind albums come out. Ignore his pleading/threatening letters; > they're very undignified from a man of his position. If he calls, > pretend to be a worker in a Chinese laundromat. Dear Mr. Swann, Thank you most kindly for the tape you sent by the band "Hawkwind". My teenage daughter found it most interesting. Thank you also for your concern with my digestive problems. My consultant has advised that I will feel much better when I exert more control over my professional life and deal with our more difficult customers in a more assertive manner. Which brings me to the matter of your reply to my letter of the 5th instance. While I do understand that your duties as a "Net Consultant" currently require that you spend all your waking hours in the laboratory, I really must insist that you come in for a chat. Your description of a three thousand Dollar overdraft as "trivial" has disturbed us greatly. Might I suggest that your income from the Chinese Laundromat is unlikely to clear this in the forseeable future and that the bank would be most happy to also have your consulting fees paid into your account by electronic transfer. We are also concerned at the continued flow of cheques presented to us by businesses which would appear to be mail order distributors of modern music. We regard it as a worrying escalation that some of these outlets have addresses in Great Britain. While I can assure you that we will continue to be of service in handling your banking needs, I must impress upon you that our relationship might be greatly improved were the flow of income to actually exceed the outward flow of expenditure. I'm afraid that when we used the advertising slogan "You can have anything in life you want: NOW!" a trip to several outdoor parties in Europe was not what we had in mind. We also called your office at "Acme Rocket Company" and were disturbed to discover that not only were you not on the payroll, but that they had in fact never heard of you. I don't have to be a rocket scientist, if you'll pardon the expression, for the suspicion to dawn upon me that you have perhaps exaggerated your professional credentials and that your employment in the Chinese Laundry is in fact for more prosaic reasons than "Showing solidarity with downtrodden Tibetan exiles". While this is undoubtedly a most worthy cause, I really must point out that we are a bank and not in fact a charity. Finally, regarding your request for ten thousand Dollars as a Business Start Loan for your "Entertainment Promotion" business, I'm afraid that we must refuse on the grounds that "A copy of the Sonic Attack single in the cloth bag" is not really regarded as adequate security for the loan. We also note, with some suspicion, that a Mr. Smith, acting as agent for "Hawkwind" has already requested a bank draft drawn against your account. I really must advise that you seek professional help concerning this obsession. Yours faithfully H.M.Ponsonby Manager Squeezem 'til They Squeak Banking Corporation From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jul 23 11:27:26 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:27:26 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Message-ID: >Stephen Swann writes: > >> Chris Bates writes: >> > >> > Doug (no relation) Bates forwarded from Robert Godwin: >> > >> > > and both will be released simultaneously in the UK and the USA. (Active are >> > > doing them in the UK. Release date is set for late August.) >> > >> > And who, pary, is going to explain this one to my bank manager? >Finally, regarding your request for ten thousand Dollars as a Business >Start Loan for your "Entertainment Promotion" business, I'm afraid that Mr. Bank Manager: While stopping by the bank, Mr. Swann corrected an error on your computer system by turning off the caps lock key. By consulting the attatched invoice, you will see that this more than makes up for the difference in amounts you suggest. BTW save the invoice, it's good for a 10% discount at the laundromat. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 23 17:02:10 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:02:10 BST Subject: Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Doug's message of Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:09:27 CDT Message-ID: > > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > pieces that were sold on to a discounter. The two titles were The Business > Trip and Hawklords Live. A decision was made to move some out at a low price > to reduce inventory. Doug contacted me and said he had a problem with this Ah - that explains a LOT! I'd been deeply puzzled why dozens of Dojo Hawkwind Live CDs suddenly appeared in the discount sales boxes in HMV several months ago, stayed there for a while and then disappeared again. Now it makes some sense! > as it makes the perception that they were now deleted. On receiving his > complaint the process stopped and they are now no longer available at the > lower price. This was resolved in one afternoon. > Third: Yes Griffin is releasing Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques. I > personally did the packaging and negotiated the contract. I approached Doug Excellent 8-))) Congrats to one and all!! So how many versions of Virgin of the World will there be now? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Jul 23 12:25:18 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:25:18 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Message-ID: Dave B said >I'm mildly surprised that the version of Urban Guerilla that was released >around 1980 has not made it onto a re-release as a bonus track. Maybe if >Live '79 is ever given the treatment... Actually, that would be an interesting project - a restored _Live 1979_ with not only "UG", but also "PXR5", and "SM" segueing into "Levitation" instead of exploding... could even make Mike a happy man by including "New Jerusalem". But in case anyone's taking notes, top of my wish list would be CD versions of Weirds 104 and 105... - Andy ObCD: Amon Duul - Paradieswarts Duul From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Tue Jul 23 12:34:31 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:34:31 -0500 Subject: Best of HW covers & Assassins of Silence/Hundred Watt Violence In-Reply-To: <31F35A2E.4E9E@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Jul 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > I've made a "best of" tape for a friend of the covers tapes/album. He's > not a huge HW fan, but owns like 5 or 6 albums, so I made a selection of > what I thought was best and would interest him - there's plenty of stuff > I'd included, but I felt I also had to take into account sound quality > as well as varied interesting and diverse interpretations, and decided > to squeeze it all (22 tracks) on one 100 minute tape, and I figured it > may be of some interest: [snip] It's a good idea, and I like the selections. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 23 13:03:24 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 18:03:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: UK Help Needed! In-Reply-To: <960723003849_162069598@emout16.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Jul 23, 96 00:38:50 am Message-ID: > How about Kerrang! ? > Don't tell me that doesn't exist now! No, it does, but its pretty crap as far as I can tell. They've definitely jumped pretty much on the trendy bandwaggon and very few non- trendy bands get much coverage. > What is the world coming to? Oh, going down the tubes, just like it always has been. Maybe a little faster as we gain ever greater ability to screw it up. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Tue Jul 23 13:34:36 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:34:36 CDT Subject: HW: Re: CYM and Sonic A. (was NEWS FLASH!!) In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 23 Jul 1996 07:58:44 +0000 from Message-ID: >Doug wrote: > >> PS RJ, you had good reason for your request considering who you party >> with lately... > >could you explain that statement, please? rj Just an envious statement about your fortunate travels (and haging out) with Brock and co. Thats ALL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Doug Bates Systems Analyst Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham Voice (205) 934-9087 Fax (205) 975-7129 Email dbates at uab.edu From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Tue Jul 23 13:42:49 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:42:49 CDT Subject: Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 23 Jul 1996 14:30:45 BST from Message-ID: >I'd certainly like to extend my congratulations and appreciation to Rob >and the folks at Griffin for this achievement. I'd be grateful to Doug >if he could pass them on. Will do. It is cool the band gets the tapes when its all said and done. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Doug Bates Systems Analyst Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham Voice (205) 934-9087 Fax (205) 975-7129 Email dbates at uab.edu From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 23 13:52:57 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 18:52:57 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <199607231745.NAA13157@listserv.spc.edu> from "Doug" at Jul 23, 96 12:42:49 pm Message-ID: > >I'd certainly like to extend my congratulations and appreciation to Rob > >and the folks at Griffin for this achievement. I'd be grateful to Doug > >if he could pass them on. > > Will do. It is cool the band gets the tapes when its all said and done. I think you can probably pass on thanks and appreciation from pretty much the entire HW contingent on the list. I reserve my right to grumble about there not being any T-shirts at the two shows I went to ;) but overall Griffin came out of nowhere and made it possible to be a functioning Hawkfan in the US again! Canonisation should be in order for the lot of them on those grounds alone. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Jul 23 15:07:07 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 14:07:07 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <199607231020.LAA09047@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, Chris Bates wrote: > Also the great t-shirt debate was effectively making the point that HW > are more popular in the US than they (or their management) might > realise, and that there is pent-up demand for albums, merchandise and > TOURS! Yes, we definitely need more TOURS. By the way, did we mention TOURS? I wonder what the final count was on the Brock interview of questions asking, "So when are you TOURING the U.S.???" :) Oh, before I forget, HW rilly ought to TOUR the States more often. :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Tue Jul 23 15:40:01 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 14:40:01 -0500 Subject: St Griffin, Patron of Hawkmongers (was Re: Hawkwind) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > I think you can probably pass on thanks and appreciation from > pretty much the entire HW contingent on the list. I reserve my right > to grumble about there not being any T-shirts at the two shows I went > to ;) but overall Griffin came out of nowhere and made it possible to > be a functioning Hawkfan in the US again! Canonisation should be in > order for the lot of them on those grounds alone. Ia Ia, I'll second that motion! Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Jul 23 13:32:53 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:32:53 +0000 Subject: HW: Re: CYM and Sonic A. (was NEWS FLASH!!) Message-ID: Doug wrote: > >> PS RJ, you had good reason for your request considering who you party > >> with lately... > > > >could you explain that statement, please? rj > > Just an envious statement about your fortunate travels (and haging out) > with Brock and co. Thats ALL. "thanks for clarifying," he said with obvious relief. i was worried that i might be getting involved in some sort of personal feud of which i knew nothing. i must say that my main interest on the CYM cd release issue was colored by the fact that i'd already shelled out big bucks to have an archival cd-r made. unrelated to this thread,i am somewhat troubled by the statements made by some people on here that my hw/griffin post was an "exaggerated rumour." like i said... it was a forwarding of information from d. brock himself, unmodified by me or anyone else,and any "exaggeration" was entirely in the minds of those who saw it as such. did it ever occur to anyone that at the time of the post, the issue hadn't been resolved? and no one said hw was done w/ griffin. i said that hw seems to be at odds with griffin,and that if the situation was as it seemed,they had good reason. if you'll notice, my original posts are few and far between.this is because i only post things that i have on good authority. my posts DO NOT require a side dish of salt. rj this is not meant as a response to your post, doug. From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Jul 23 18:08:03 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:08:03 EST Subject: OFF: computer virus joke about ID4 (long) Message-ID: Sorry about the length on this one. Being the bit-nerd that I sometimes am, I had to share this. (It *was* a recent topic!) -------------------------------------------------------------- CERT(sm) Advisory CA-96.13 July 4, 1996 Topic: ID4 virus, Alien/OS Vulnerability The CERT Coordination Center has received reports of weaknesses in Alien/OS that can allow species with primitive information sciences technology to initiate denial-of-service attacks against MotherShip(tm) hosts. One report of exploitation of this bug has been received. When attempting takeover of planets inhabited by such races, a trojan horse attack is possible that permits local access to the MotherShip host, enabling the implantation of executable code with full root access to mission-critical security features of the operating system. The vulnerability exists in versions of EvilAliens' Alien/OS 34762.12.1 or later, and all versions of Microsoft's Windows/95. CERT advises against initiating further planet takeover actions until patches are available from these vendors. If planet takeover is absolutely necessary, CERT advises that affected sites apply the workarounds as specified below. As we receive additional information relating to this advisory, we will place it in ftp://info.cert.org/pub/cert_advisories/CA-96.13.README We encourage you to check our README files regularly for updates on advisories that relate to your site. I. Description Alien/OS contains a security vulnerability, which strangely enough can be exploited by a primitive race running Windows/95. Although Alien/OS has been extensively field tested over millions of years by EvilAliens, Inc., the bug was only recently discovered during a routine invasion of a backwater planet. EvilAliens notes that the operating system had never before been tested against a race with "such a kick-ass president." The vulnerability allows the insertion of executable code with root access to key security features of the operating system. In particular, such code can disable the NiftyGreenShield (tm) subsystem, allowing child processes to be terminated by unauthorized users. Additionally, Alien/OS networking protocols can provide a low-bandwidth covert timing channel to a determined attacker. II. Impact Non-privileged primitive users can cause the total destruction of your entire invasion fleet and gain unauthorized access to files. III. Solution EvilAliens has supplied a workaround and a patch, as follows: A. Workaround To prevent unauthorized insertion of executables, install a firewall to selectively vaporize incoming packets that do not contain valid aliens. Also, disable the "Java" option in Netscape. To eliminate the covert timing channel, remove untrusted hosts from routing tables. As tempting as it is, do not use target species' own satellites against them. B. Patch As root, install the "evil" package from the distribution tape. (Optionally) save a copy of the existing /usr/bin/sendmail and modify its permission to prevent misuse. The CERT Coordination Center thanks Jeff Goldblum and Fjkxdtssss for providing information for this advisory. If you believe that your system has been compromised, contact the CERT Coordination Center or your representative in the Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams (FIRST). We strongly urge you to encrypt any sensitive information you send by email. The CERT Coordination Center can support a shared DES key and PGP. Contact the CERT staff for more information. Location of CERT PGP key ftp://info.cert.org/pub/CERT_PGP.key CERT Contact Information Email cert at cert.org Phone +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) CERT personnel answer 8:30-5:00 p.m. EST (GMT-5)/EDT(GMT-4), and are on call for emergencies during other hours. Fax +1 412-268-6989 Postal address CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 USA CERT publications, information about FIRST representatives, and other security-related information are available for anonymous FTP from http://www.cert.org/ ftp://info.cert.org/pub/ CERT advisories and bulletins are also posted on the USENET newsgroup comp.security.announce To be added to our mailing list for CERT advisories and bulletins, send your email address to cert-advisory-request at cert.org Copyright 1996 Carnegie Mellon University This material may be reproduced and distributed without permission provided it is used for noncommercial purposes and the copyright statement is included. CERT is a service mark of Carnegie Mellon University. ----- End Included Message ----- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 23 17:54:10 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 22:54:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: CYM and Sonic A. (was NEWS FLASH!!) In-Reply-To: <31F50CC5.19C4@erols.com> from "SKARSOL" at Jul 23, 96 05:32:53 pm Message-ID: > my posts DO NOT require a side dish of salt. rj That's fair enough, tho as a HW fan I think I'll take _any_ news about the band with sprinking of the ol' NaCl (assuming I remember my high school chemistry aright!) no matter _what_ the source ;) Confusion generally seems to reign in matters Hawkwindish :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson * "Ar det inte ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************* From stayer at PI.NET Mon Jul 22 21:44:03 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 18:44:03 PDT Subject: UK trip Message-ID: >Jerry wrote: > >> In September I'll make a trip to the UK, to see the Rotherham progrock >> Sep 27. Are there any other gigs around Rotherham or around London that >> weekend? Chris wrote: >Ooh, what, who, when, where, why is the Rotherham prog festival? >Err sorry, let me be clearer.... >Could you let me have any info that you've got on this event? Fri Sep 27: Credo, Landmarq, Porcupine Tree Sat Sep 28 afternoon in pub: acoustic sets by John Wetton and by Damian Wilson; also others? Sat Sep 28: Grey Lady Down, ?, John Wetton Contact the Classic Rock Society for more info; this is all I have. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jul 23 00:14:24 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:14:24 PDT Subject: HW: Lyrics site Message-ID: Jon, >In message <31F3A5D5.BAA at mic.dundee.ac.uk>, Andy Cobley >>didn't turn up a lyrics site. Where is it and specifically >>has it got the lyrics to Upside-Down ? You wrote: >What's your e-mail address? I have a file you might like a copy of. What's in the file? I might be interested as well! Thanks, Jerry From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Tue Jul 23 19:13:05 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 19:13:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: computer virus joke about ID4 Message-ID: At 17:08 23/07/96 EST, you wrote: > Sorry about the length on this one. Being the bit-nerd that I > sometimes am, I had to share this. (It *was* a recent topic!) > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >(fake CERT announcement snipped) *LOL* Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTEFACT EDITIONS (http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/index.htm) Generation Scenario (la revue de l'ecriture scenaristique / the magazine of screenwriting) http://www.imaginet.fr/~artefact/genscen/genscen.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Icarus - Encyclopedie de l'Imaginaire The Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & Science-Fiction http://www.Catch22.com/~icarus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rock In Progress - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6891 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Jul 23 19:26:46 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 19:26:46 -0400 Subject: OFF:Test, ignore Message-ID: Just a test. You were supposed to ignore this! Duane From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Jul 23 15:50:26 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 19:50:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Re: CYM and Sonic A. (was NEWS FLASH!!) Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > That's fair enough, tho as a HW fan I think I'll take _any_ > news about the band with sprinking of the ol' NaCl (assuming I remember > my high school chemistry aright!) no matter _what_ the source ;) > Confusion generally seems to reign in matters Hawkwindish :) And that is fair enough too. rj From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 24 11:05:06 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:05:06 BST Subject: OFF: computer virus joke about ID4 (long) In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:08:03 EST Message-ID: cjohnson writes: > Sorry about the length on this one. Being the bit-nerd that I > sometimes am, I had to share this. (It *was* a recent topic!) > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > CERT(sm) Advisory CA-96.13 > July 4, 1996 > > Topic: ID4 virus, Alien/OS Vulnerability Shouldn't that have had a "spoiler" message? Us brits haven't got the movie yet. So lessee: I guess someone hacks into the alien computer system and makes them vulnerable to attack.... Didn't Geordie do this against The Borg? They'd have been better filming Turtledove's "World War" books. FoFP From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Jul 24 12:08:59 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 12:08:59 BST Subject: HW: Re: CYM and Sonic A. (was NEWS FLASH!!) In-Reply-To: SKARSOL's message of Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:32:53 +0000 Message-ID: > unrelated to this thread,i am somewhat troubled by the statements made > by some people on here that my hw/griffin post was an "exaggerated > rumour." Sorry, RJ, I didn't mean to shoot the messenger. It's just that we get odd bits of information from various sources, and rarely see the full picture until later (if at all). Dave. From skarsol at EROLS.COM Wed Jul 24 04:01:35 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:01:35 +0000 Subject: HW: Re: CYM and Sonic A. (was NEWS FLASH!!) Message-ID: Dave Berry wrote: > > > unrelated to this thread,i am somewhat troubled by the statements made > > by some people on here that my hw/griffin post was an "exaggerated > > rumour." > > Sorry, RJ, I didn't mean to shoot the messenger. It's just that we > get odd bits of information from various sources, and rarely see the > full picture until later (if at all). s'alright. i'm a happy boy now. i actually got some sleep! :) rj From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Tue Jul 23 19:05:25 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 18:05:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Rare cd's...Wot???? In-Reply-To: <199607142220.RAA10454@deliverator.io.com> from <"Hawkwind"@Jul> Message-ID: > Yes, everything is the same as the correct pressing. I've also got a > Motorhead/Valium 10 ep that has the sides reversed. Going off the subject a > bit, there are also some versions of Space Ritual with sides 1 & 3 stamped > on one disc, and sides 2 & 4 stamped on the other. I used to have one of > these until it was 'borrowed' by someone. > > Star_rats > I really miss my Motorhead/Valium 10 ep. It walked along with my whole collection years ago. :( Sure am glad there has been this flood of CDs available in the past few years. -- "Illiteracy is the ultimate form of censorship. You do not need to burn a book or ban a book if someone cannot read it." Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6134 From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Jul 24 14:54:17 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:54:17 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: GIDDAYnlissen up AUSSIES! Message-ID: Here's the latest news on Australia- in response to your complaints and my haranguing. Now, if you do not tell all of your friends to put down their tinnies and go out and support these albums immediately I will not take u seriously again (never mind that they really won't be so eager to stock us).:-) Thanks Crocodile DunDebbee --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Brain Surgeons Date: 96-07-24 11:50:19 EDT From: MikeMango To: DFrost8547 Deborah- I was calling the other day to tell you that both albums were ordered by DIVERSE SYSTEMS MUSIC IN AUSTRALIA. I expect that they will be available in stores in Australia in 2 weeks! Mango From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Jul 24 14:53:48 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:53:48 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: BRAIN: Where to find tBS in Quebec ? Message-ID: FYI- --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: BRAIN: Where to find tBS in Quebec ? Date: 96-07-24 11:53:52 EDT From: MikeMango To: DFrost8547 Deborah- The gentleman is correct, HMV is the only chain in Canada (and they have lots of stores) where the Brain Surgeons can be ordered. I've sent a sample to Cargo-Canada to see if they'd carry it but no response so far. Mango From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jul 24 17:03:01 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:03:01 -0400 Subject: Roswell camping Message-ID: Just got back from spending a week camping about 45 minutes to the west of Roswell, it was very nice high up in the Sacramento mts/Lincoln National Forest, nice pine forest, cool to chilly at night, generally warm during the days (though we got some brief hail one day). Had to go down the mountain to the level of Roswell a couple times, the temperature was about 20 degrees warmer and I'm not sure I'd want to camp there. The area I was at was in a series of camping areas run by a group called Blake's Company; they charge $3/night to camp. One of the sites has hot showers for $3.00. The site I stayed at was known as Sleepygrass, and was very nice. Side note - I am usually there for an annual gathering of Amtgard, which is the group that my signature (which I'm sure you all ignore by now) refers to.... The sleepygrass site had about +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Guildmaster of Reeves of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Wed Jul 24 17:09:04 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:09:04 CDT Subject: HW: Re: CYM and Sonic A. (was NEWS FLASH!!) In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:32:53 +0000 from Message-ID: >Doug wrote: > >> >> PS RJ, you had good reason for your request considering who you party >> >> with lately... >> > >> >could you explain that statement, please? rj >> >> Just an envious statement about your fortunate travels (and haging out) >> with Brock and co. Thats ALL. > >"thanks for clarifying," he said with obvious relief. >i was worried that i might be getting involved in some sort of personal >feud of which i knew nothing. No, no not at all. I was sympathetic to your position all along and understood why you ask for my source. If I had talked to Brock I would have done the same thing upon hearing conflicting info. >if you'll notice, my original posts are few and far between.this is >because i only post things that i have on good authority. Ditto, back to lurker mode for me... :-| But first a repost of a second email from Robert Godwin: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have just come off the phone with Doug Smith and it would seem that Active have now asked EBS to release both pieces in the UK and so Douglas and I are now trying to coordinate a simultaneous release on EBS and Griffin. Robert Godwin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Doug Bates Systems Analyst Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham Voice (205) 934-9087 Fax (205) 975-7129 Email dbates at uab.edu From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 24 14:32:02 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:32:02 +0100 Subject: OFF:Test, ignore In-Reply-To: <199607232326.AA28762@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> Message-ID: In message <199607232326.AA28762 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu>, Duane Hoyt writes >Just a test. You were supposed to ignore this! > >Duane Well, it's hard to ignore mail! :) -- Jon Browne From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Jul 24 18:44:34 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:44:34 -0400 Subject: OFF:Test, ignore Message-ID: > >In message <199607232326.AA28762 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu>, Duane Hoyt > writes >>Just a test. You were supposed to ignore this! >> >>Duane > >Well, it's hard to ignore mail! :) >-- >Jon Browne > > I know what you mean. I usually just hit the "next" command and go through the mail without going back and reading each header. I always end up reading the test messages, and that includes my own! THis damn freenet is really squirrly, and sometimes I can't tell if I am sending and recieving mail properly. One day I'll buy a real computer and I will be able to use normal internet access. Duane From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Jul 25 03:29:15 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 17:29:15 +1000 Subject: OFF: Roswell comic & .jpg Message-ID: This may be nothing new, but for the comic and/or alien fanciers out there (I'm neither in particular), I saw a comic last weekend called *Roswell*, and yes, it is about aliens. I was in a hurry, having left my wife at the mercy of two small children in a busy shopping centre while I dashed off to a shop at the other end, so I didn't have a close look. I immediately thought of boc-l and made a mental note of the publisher, but of course I can't remember it now. If I think of it next time I'm there, I'll write down the details. If you're interested, email me direct. And while trying to find the comic details on the WWW, I came across a .jpg picture supposedly of one of THE Roswell aliens. I've seen others before, but this was new to me. Check out http://munshi.sonoma.edu/images/roswell.jpeg or email me. On a tBS note, I'm glad to hear of the cd release downunder. Bewdy Mate! I'll have to renew my efforts to find an Oz promoter for the tour. JJJ's Big Day Out might be worth investigating..??... Pete. ObKids'sMusicVideo: *Big Red Car* - The Wiggles (these guys are apparently out-selling most other Oz acts from any genre) ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "One new slave, the same old rock." - Roy Harper From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Jul 25 04:14:40 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:14:40 +0200 Subject: HW T-shirt mystery Message-ID: When I saw Hawkwind in Oslo in 1991, they had two different T-shirts for sale. One was a Palace Springs white T-Shirt, the other was an old HW & Screaming Lord Such T-Shirt (black). I bought the latter, and it looks like a vintage 70s shirt. I've worn it so much (it's my only HW T-shirt!!) its falling apart at the seams!! Anyway, I was wondering when it was from... its black, with a yellow/red/blue & green print that reads: (square print with circular double headed hawk motif) "Hawkwind" (obviously!) (picture of Screaming Lord Sutch in middle) "Screaming Lord Sutch" "Exeter Plaza Aug 31" "Monster Party" "Raving Loony Party" Pretty cool, Hawkwind's contribution to politics!! I seem to remember the person who sold me the shirt said it was from '77, but I'm not sure. Where was this gig and what year??? Christian From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Thu Jul 25 05:37:19 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:37:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: Roswell comic & .jpg Message-ID: Peter Sondergeld wrote: > And while trying to find the comic details on the WWW, I came across a .jpg > picture supposedly of one of THE Roswell aliens. I've seen others before, > but this was new to me. Check out > http://munshi.sonoma.edu/images/roswell.jpeg or email me. This is almost certainly a still from the HBO movie Roswell. See: http://alpha.mic.dundee.ac.uk/ft/ft.cgi?8,hkalien For some stills of the model used now on display at the Roswell UFO museum. Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jul 25 06:22:11 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:22:11 +0200 Subject: BOC & HW: Kollektors only! Message-ID: hi, I've recently been bootstrapped in Kollekting Mode, and this is the current results: BOC: Box CD set with "Tyranny & Mutation" and "Secret Treaties" on Columbia. Nice drawing of BOC on front. Price US$25 - GBP15. If someone is interested, I'll pick it up. p&p not included. Also came across a dude who sells "Metal 8-Track" or "Ampex" tapes, and I've ordered a very cheap sealed HW/WotEoT from him. He also have these goodies in stock: BLUE OYSTER CULT - Secret Treaties (sealed) BLUE OYSTER CULT - Agents of Fortune (NM) BLUE OYSTER CULT - Extraterrestrial Live (VG+) which might be of interest for the demented BOC kollektor. other available 8-tracks orchestras is: AC/DC / AEROSMITH / BLACK SABBATH / JUDAS PRIEST / LED ZEPPELIN / MONTROSE / NAZARETH / TED NUGENT / OZZY OSBOURNE / VAN HALEN price: $4 each (ppd) / Buy 3 get one FREE! contact this dude at redcircus at aol.com, and say hello from me if interested. email me if you want a complete list of the others. on to the Hawkwind section: Rumour says there's a Gold Award of the Warrior of the Edge of Time on its way in to Sweden. Price unknown. Is there some with fat vallet that want me to check this event for you? Found a copy of the Australian release "Rock Legends" for the amazing prize of SEK500 - US$80 - GBP50. p&p not included. As I already got a copy of this, I let it be. Anyone interested? Also left a 7" portugesian "Kings of Speed/Motorhead" for SEK350 and a yugoslavian "Silver Machine/7x7" for SEK500, both in very nice pic sleeves, because of a lot of other hawkwindish stuff was bought, including Acid Daze I LP (yes, finally!), the black vinyl of 12" Hawklords/25 Years On and a bunch of CD:s. I wasn't aware of the Psi Power 12" promo came with a lyric sheet, someone else who have it? btw, while browsing the BOC-l web pages I found this information: "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List (277 subscribers)" \\joe From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Thu Jul 25 11:30:10 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 11:30:10 U Subject: OFF: As we're in Kollektion mode... Message-ID: ...I know this is gonna be a silly question, but does anyone have a copy of Motorheads White Line Fever 7" they'd be willing to sell? Cheers, Rich. ** Sign on, you crazy diamond ** From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Thu Jul 25 07:07:04 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:07:04 +0100 Subject: Off Screaming Lord Such In-Reply-To: <199607251001.LAA00179@listserv.rl.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:14:40 +0200 > From: Christian Mumford > Subject: HW T-shirt mystery > > When I saw Hawkwind in Oslo in 1991, they had two different T-shirts for > sale. One was a Palace Springs white T-Shirt, the other was an old HW & > Screaming Lord Such T-Shirt (black). I saw Screaming Lord Such last weekend, he played at the 'Americana' this year (Notts American Car Show at the Newark Showground). He set light to his top hat and sung a whole song with it on fire... it was quite windy but he didn't faulter - talk about loony?! And talking of T-Shirts I was watching a nature program on Africa last night - they showed some African eagle with a 7 foot wingspan... well the pattern on his breast reminded me alot of HW t-shirt designs (past and present)... in fact for a hallucinogenic moment I thought that the Eagle was indeed wearing a HW t-shirt. BTW - Does anybody know which type of eagle or more useful it's name (no, not Frank or Sidney!) so I can investigate the markings more thoroughly? Maxine From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Jul 25 09:08:44 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 23:08:44 +1000 Subject: BRAIN: GIDDAYnlissen up AUSSIES! In-Reply-To: <960724145417_244732075@emout19.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Jul 1996 DFrost8547 at AOL.COM wrote: > Here's the latest news on Australia- > in response to your complaints and my haranguing. Now, if you do not tell all > of your friends to put down their tinnies and go out and support these albums > immediately I will not take u seriously again (never mind that they really > won't be so eager to stock us).:-) > Thanks > Crocodile DunDebbee > 'Bout Bloody time. Hope they don't cost a bloody fortune. We have (thankfully) a CD price war going on at the moment. Mega thanx, Troy From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Jul 25 10:44:44 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 16:44:44 +0200 Subject: HW T-shirt mystery Message-ID: Hello >"Screaming Lord Sutch" >"Exeter Plaza Aug 31" >"Monster Party" >"Raving Loony Party" > >Pretty cool, Hawkwind's contribution to politics!! I seem to remember >the person who sold me the shirt said it was from '77, but I'm not sure. >Where was this gig and what year??? I think it was the gig on 31.08.1991, EXETER, Plaza. One of the worst HW gigs I've ever heard :-(( Here are the Exeter gigs HW have played TOWN HALL DATE DAY ====== ============ ======= === Exeter St.Georges Hall 08.11.90 Thu Exeter University 01.12.72 Fri Exeter St.Georges Hall 16.04.94 Sat Exeter Plaza 09.12.92 Wed Exeter Plaza 31.08.91 Sat Exeter St.Georges Hall 05.07.86 Sat Bernhard From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Jul 25 11:06:59 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 17:06:59 +0200 Subject: HW T-shirt mystery: Blarg! Sputter! Argh! Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > > > I think it was the gig on 31.08.1991, EXETER, Plaza. > > One of the worst HW gigs I've ever heard :-(( Well, thanks for the info, but you shattered my 5 year illusion of the shirt being 15-20 years old (it does look like it now - wear-and-smell-wise!!) and it being some legendary cool gig!! Damn! I thought it was a vintage piece of kollektability...! How uncool. Bad karma... :-(((( Does anyone know of any other mail-order companies that sell HW shirts (other than that place that has the "Galactic Tour" and the deleted "Hawkindian" motifs and videos?). Hawkwind seem to drop by here only once every 18 years or so... and when I saw them in NYC last year they were (infamously) sold-out of shirts....:-(( (drat!!) Luckily I managed to scrounge a couple of posters which now hang battered and beer-drenched on my bedroom wall like lone trophies of some life long desperate hunt for Hawkwind memorabilia.... You British don't know how lucky you are!!! Well, I'll put my smile back on now :-) Christian From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Thu Jul 25 11:56:55 1996 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Karl Hiller) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:56:55 -0500 Subject: Lyrics question In-Reply-To: <199607231745.NAA13157@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: OK, so, I'm reading one of the new Chaosium Cthulhu fiction anthologies, and there's a story by Karl Edward Wagner titled "The River of Night's Dreaming." This sounds very familiar, but I can't place it. I'm almost convinced that it's from a song... There is another story by Robert Chambers titled "The King in Yellow", which of course was used in a BOC lyric, and I'm wondering if "the river of night's dreaming" sounds familiar because it was used in a BOC song. Any help? Karl From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jul 25 12:10:46 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:10:46 -0400 Subject: OTHER: Amon Duul 2 news Message-ID: Gig: London Shepherd's Bush Empire, Sat Sept 21! Album: _Nada Moonshine #_ gets a UK release Sept 2, on Mystic Records, with 3 bonus tracks! (Source: Hawkletter vol 8 no 4) - Andy From nexus at PANIX.COM Thu Jul 25 12:24:49 1996 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:24:49 -0400 Subject: Lyrics question In-Reply-To: from "Karl Hiller" at Jul 25, 96 10:56:55 am Message-ID: >OK, so, I'm reading one of the new Chaosium Cthulhu fiction anthologies, >and there's a story by Karl Edward Wagner titled "The River of Night's >Dreaming." > >This sounds very familiar, but I can't place it. I'm almost convinced >that it's from a song... There is another story by Robert Chambers >titled "The King in Yellow", which of course was used in a BOC lyric, and >I'm wondering if "the river of night's dreaming" sounds familiar because >it was used in a BOC song. Well, I doubt this is the original source, but there's a line from from the Rocky Horror Picture Show - the darkness must flow down the river of night's dreaming, JB From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 25 06:11:35 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 11:11:35 +0100 Subject: HW : Solstice Reconstructions Message-ID: Well,,,,it's not brilliant I'm afraid. In fact I turned it off after Ziontrain. Thing is, it's not going to turn on a lot of techno-heads into HW fans, (that's if they ever hear it, as it looks like a HW album not a techno compilation) and it's not going to turn many HW fans on to techno if they're not already. If it's a techno album you want there's much better available. I had to put on The Chemical Brothers remix of Manic Street Preachers "Scream to A Sigh" VERY LOUD to get the old brain moving again. I wish I could upload that tune to this group, as NO-ONE could fail to respond to this perfect blend of crunching guitars and mind-expanding synthy wop-wop-wops SWOOOSH NYYYOWWWS!!!! If anyone's interested its off the WIPEOUT (Playstation game) Soundtrack album (along with Orbital, Prodigy, Dreadzone etc.) But I digress. I don't want to seem harsh and anyone who knows me will know I'm a HW apologist, they can do no wrong and I never heard a HW album i didn't like but this isn't the Hawks so... I can certainly understand why Dave Brock didn't recognise the songs. To a large extent I didn't either. I will listen to it again and it might grow on me but for now... 2** out of 5***** -- Jon Browne ObCD Chemical Brothers "Exit Planet Dust" From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Thu Jul 25 13:32:30 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:32:30 +0100 Subject: HW : Solstice Reconstructions Message-ID: You should have stuck it out "Uncle sams on Mars" should be released as a single right away. Even "Damnation Alley" is fairly entertaining. I'm not so keen on "Silver machine" and have never been a big fan of "Needle Gun" anyway. I'll still have to listen to the other tracks again, I was some taken with USOM and Damnation I haven't played the other more than once and that was on horrible Multi-media PC speakers in the office. Andy C ---------- From: Jon Browne[SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: 25 July 1996 11:11 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW : Solstice Reconstructions Well,,,,it's not brilliant I'm afraid. In fact I turned it off after Ziontrain. From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Jul 25 18:31:58 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:31:58 -0400 Subject: HW: Night Flying for trade Message-ID: Hello Hawkfriends, A while back I posted about the HW Night Flying cd I got for trade. I have gotten a proposal for another cd in trade by someone here, but since I accidently deleted the mail, I cannot remember who sent the letter. I apologize for this mistake. So, whoever sent the offer, I have this already. I am open to any offers for this cd, as I only paid $7.00 for this it wouldn't take much in trade to get it. It doesn't have any songs that aren't already on other compilations, but I figure it might be a must have for a Kollector. Let me know, cause if there are no takers, it's going to the flea market. See ya, Duane OBCD: Quark, Strangeness, and Charm - this is the first time I have heard these versions of most of these songs. Most impressive. Fable of a Lost Race is outstanding. Forge of Vulcan is way cool. Oh, that reminds me. I spotted a 2cd compilation called The History of Ambient Music on Virgin Records ( I hope my memory isn't failing me on this) It had 2 HW songs on it, Forge of Vulcan and Lifeform. It also had some Gong, Fripp/Eno, oh man, too much short term memory loss goin, Shoulda wrote them down. :-( Anyway, if anyone is interested in this it was about $23.00, so I can get it for you if you want. If anyone wants it, I can go back and get a full tracklisting. From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jul 25 17:25:41 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 08:25:41 +1100 Subject: BRAIN: GIDDAYnlissen up AUSSIES! Message-ID: On 25 Jul 96 at 23:08, Troy Harris wrote: > 'Bout Bloody time. Hope they don't cost a bloody fortune. We have > (thankfully) a CD price war going on at the moment. 'tis true ... Ipicked up Eponymous last night on import for only $A25 ($20 US) ..... import CD's are usually around $A35 at least. I also saw HW's _LiS_ a few weeks ago for $A30 as a *local* release! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jul 25 21:46:20 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:46:20 +1100 Subject: HW: Spirit of the Page Message-ID: I've just been informed that the problems with the Calvert Page have (hopefully) been rectified: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- I just got a mail from my server man regarding the access troubls several people had. He has fixed a few things now - and after all I`ve tried (getting response from a few search engines and found the site on another computer who did not find it before) I guess it should work ok. now for everyone - hope so. -------- Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Thu Jul 25 23:18:19 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:18:19 -0500 Subject: off: Bob Rudich: EMAIL ME Message-ID: Hi all, Sorry to clog your mailboxes, but would Bob Rudich please email me: I need to remail your HW cover set, as it bounced back to me (no such street address) ;-( Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 25 05:07:10 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:07:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: Roswell comic & .jpg In-Reply-To: <199607250729.RAA23232@pigeon.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: In message <199607250729.RAA23232 at pigeon.qut.edu.au>, Peter Sondergeld writes >This may be nothing new, but for the comic and/or alien fanciers out there >(I'm neither in particular), I saw a comic last weekend called *Roswell*, If it's the one I'm thinking of, it was published by BONGO COMICS, which is Matt Groening's Simpsons Comics publishers. Roswell was the first character developed specially for comics by Bongo. (As opposed to new adventures of Homer, Bart, Marge etc.,) I thought it was only a flip- book at the moment. \(Turn the book over, so the back cover looks like a different comic) But I do know he's getting his own comic. #1 is out in September. Availble from all comic-shops on BOC-L (and probably some others as well) Shameless plug over. -- Jon Browne ObCD Solstice Remixs 1st listen - so far so good :) From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Fri Jul 26 10:17:15 1996 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:17:15 BST Subject: HW : Solstice Reconstructions Message-ID: ----- Begin Included Message ----- You should have stuck it out "Uncle sams on Mars" should be released as a single right away. Andy C ----- End Included Message ----- It already has been!! The "Quark" EP Keith From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jul 26 07:42:30 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 22:42:30 +1100 Subject: NIK: Live photo's from "HawXtaR" gig Message-ID: Hi all, Just finished the "HawXtaR" Gallery ...... get to it from the obvious link on my darXtar page: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/darXtar Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jul 26 08:29:03 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 23:29:03 +1100 Subject: HW: New Hawkwind Gallery!! Message-ID: I may have already posted about this ... can't remember! Just in case though, "Battle-Mats" has some close-up photo's of Hawkwind on his new page: http://www.algonet.se/~batlmats/hawkwind.htm Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 26 14:35:09 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:35:09 BST Subject: HW: Night Flying for trade In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:31:58 -0400 Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > Hello Hawkfriends, > > A while back I posted about the HW Night Flying cd I got for trade. > I have gotten a proposal for another cd in trade by someone here, but since > I accidently deleted the mail, I cannot remember who sent the letter. > I apologize for this mistake. So, whoever sent the offer, I have this > already. I am open to any offers for this cd, as I only paid $7.00 for this > it wouldn't take much in trade to get it. It doesn't have any songs > that aren't already on other compilations, but I figure it might be a > must have for a Kollector. Let me know, cause if there are no takers, it's > going to the flea market. Isn't it called "Night Riding"? FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jul 26 11:42:55 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 16:42:55 +0100 Subject: HW : Solstice Reconstructions In-Reply-To: <01BB7A57.FAFABB60@dialin5.dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <01BB7A57.FAFABB60 at dialin5.dundee.ac.uk>, Andy Cobley writes >You should have stuck it out "Uncle sams on Mars" should be released as a single >right away. Even "Damnation Alley" is fairly entertaining. I'm not so keen on >"Silver machine" >and have never been a big fan of "Needle Gun" anyway. I'll still have to listen >to the other >tracks again, I was some taken with USOM and Damnation I haven't played the >other more than >once and that was on horrible Multi-media PC speakers in the office. > Right, right. Actually, I feel a bit sheepish now as I've warmed a fair bit to the whole album. The Utah Saints/Silver Machine absolutely ROCKS! This is the cut that should be a single, the Saints being reasonably well-known with radio listeners in the UK (and dead good!) the cheesey DJ's would have a hook inasmuch as they'll know the song. Hell, the radio listeners will know _that_ song. I think it'd have a v.good chance of proper chart action! USOM has already been released as a single, a couple of years ago. I believe it saw action in the Indie charts, and what's more when I was in line at HMV to buy my copy, the guy in front was buying it too! Both formats too! (Readers note - This never happens!) Have any of you ever been in a record shop and actually seen a stranger buying a HW record? As to yesterday's post, I think I succumbed to something that used to happen to me a lot but hasn't for a few years, the "being a bit dissapointed on first listen to the new Hawkwind album and then loving it to bits three weeks later syndrome" :) new rating 3 1/2 *** out of 5 ***** :) -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jul 26 06:40:38 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:40:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Night Flying for trade In-Reply-To: <199607252231.AA22250@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> Message-ID: In message <199607252231.AA22250 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu>, Duane Hoyt writes > >Duane > >OBCD: Quark, Strangeness, and Charm - this is the first time I have heard > these versions of most of these songs. Most impressive. Fable of a > Lost Race is outstanding. Forge of Vulcan is way cool. Oh, that > reminds me. I spotted a 2cd compilation called The History of Ambient > Music on Virgin Records ( I hope my memory isn't failing me on this) > It had 2 HW songs on it, Forge of Vulcan and Lifeform. It also had > some Gong, Fripp/Eno, oh man, too much short term memory loss goin, > Shoulda wrote them down. :-( Anyway, if anyone is interested in this > it was about $23.00, so I can get it for you if you want. If anyone > wants it, I can go back and get a full tracklisting. Harold Budd, Tangerine Dream, Amorhpous Androgynous, Nusrat Khan, Killing Joke, Faust, and loads more too! 152 minutes on 2 CD's This is a great comp. Buy it for yerself, Duane! -- Jon Browne From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jul 26 12:32:08 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:32:08 -0400 Subject: BOC: Show Review Message-ID: Saw this review of a recent BOC show on usenet. Of significance to note is that the band recently put "Shooting Shark" in the setlist. John From: Jackson Farley Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic Subject: BOC, Norfolk, VA, 7/19/96 Review Date: 25 Jul 1996 20:34:48 GMT Organization: Nortel Lines: 104 Message-ID: <4t8lp8$2hv at nrtphc11.bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.140.5.32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:alt.rock-n-roll.classic Blue Oyster Cult's Cities On Flame '96 tour blazed into Virginia on Friday evening July 19 and delivered a precision rock-n-roll fire storm to the heart of Norfolk's waterfront. The severe weather which had been forecast for the evening never materialized and BOC fans were spared the disappointment suffered by Smithereens' fans the evening before at the same park when rain, high winds and lightning forced their show to be stopped after only three songs. But on this night, the weather was warm and humid, and the music was red hot. Rick Derringer kicked-off the Festevents festivities with an energetic, bluesy rock set which concluded with the rock standard Rock-and-Roll Hoochie Koo. And even though it was a partisan BOC crowd, they showed their appreciation of Rick Derringer's guitar mastery and yeoman career with enthusiastic applause throughout and at the end of his spirited set. The crew then worked quickly to change the stage for the men in black. Buck Dharma came out on-stage and spent awhile checking and double-checking his new Crate equipment, which apparently had briefly failed the evening before in Albany, NY. But instead of his traditional white attire, tonight Buck was dressed in a well tailored black sports jacket and black pants with a gray t-shirt underneath. Satisfied, he disappeared behind the stacks and in only a few minutes the band took to the stage with their eerie prelude music awakening the fans to the impending onslaught of high energy rock-n-roll. Blue Oyster Cult opened their show with what continues to be a thrilling lead-off hitter Stairway to the Stars, taken from their first album. The vocals sounded crisp and clear and from the front row the overall level and mix of instruments was excellent. Next on the set list came A Redcap, Before The Kiss and then ETI, both rousing pieces which were delivered in a sonic one-two punch. Then, the moment BOC's on-line fans had been discussing and anticipating arrived as the hard edged rocker The Vigil from the Mirrors album and BOC's new, soon to be hit Harvest Moon were played for the large, raucous crowd of cheering and hand-clapping fans. It was interesting to see and hear Eric and Allen exchange instruments often during the course of the show. Beginning with ETI, Eric settled in behind the keyboards and effortlessly kept the melodic underpinnings of this and several of the next tunes in place; while Allen stepped forward and delivered an accomplished performance on guitar including several licks at which even Buck smiled in acknowledgment of Allen's talent. The instrumental Buck's Boogie was up next and Mr. Roeser really began to heat-up the strings of his axe in what must be one of the most polished renditions of this song ever delivered by the band. In fact, the concert was shaping-up to be a consummate performance, which if someone was fortunate enough to have been recording, would definitely rate an A+ on the bootleg circuit. There had been no technical glitches, the boys from NYC were playing really tight and the selections were classic. Then came the show's big surprise as Eric stepped forward to introduce a song "... that they hadn't performed in over ten years." The unmistakable, bubbling refrains of Shooting Shark ignited the crowd as Danny expertly thumbed and plucked the funky bass rhythms which are the trademark of this unique song of unrequited love. The band seemed pleased with the success of this one; and then roared into another archetypal song from their early years, Cities On Flame! Once again, as he has done so many times before, Buck flexed his muscles and cracked his knuckles to deliver what could have been the evening's best solo; had it not been for the next song, BOC's anthem Then Came The Last Day's Of May. It is a shame that this song never received the popular acclaim it deserved. Here, the show peaked as Buck delivered both the poignant lyrics and fiery solo with all the energy accumulated over years of honing and shaping a masterpiece. It would be interesting to speculate why a nineties live version of Last Days of May did not make it onto Cult Classics, or maybe even Workshop of the Telescopes; as it would have been well received by BOC's highly loyal fan base and with an imaginative mix might have even found some ever elusive air play for the group. The song is just that good. Next came BOC's tour-de-force of their big-three popular hits as the audience thrilled to hot renditions of Burnin' For You, Godzilla and finally (Don't Fear) The Reaper. The bass and drum solo's by Danny and John respectively on Godzilla were superb; especially John who had been keeping the driving beat dead on-track all evening, and who deserved a moment in the spotlight himself to showcase his proficiency on the kit. These two newcomers to the band are clearly providing a dose of freshness and enthusiasm which should be evident in their new album; due out next year. As the last haunting notes of The Reaper echoed off downtown Norfolk's high rise buildings, the crowd immediately began to demand an encore and BOC returned to punctuate the show with The Red and The Black. It was a great choice for the encore, but it was flawed by the evening's only apparent technical glitch when Eric's guitar amplification failed. The band covered the problem well and Eric delivered the lyrics in his smooth, professional manner, without any visible hint of frustration. So, the enchanted evening was a glowing success and the fans, including my brother and I who first heard this amazing live music nearly twenty years ago, had gotten what they and we had traveled once again to see and hear - the amazing Blue Oyster Cult. Norfolk, VA, July 19, 1996 Set List: Stairway to the Stars A Redcap, Before the Kiss ETI The Vigil Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie Shooting Shark Cities On Flame Then Came the Last Days of May Burnin' For You Godzilla (Don't Fear) The Reaper The Red and The Black (encore) THE END From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jul 26 12:05:24 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 17:05:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: odd littlte bugs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Jon Browne writes rather inconsistantly > >ObCD Solstice Remixs 1st listen - so far so good :) Why is my mail server trying to make me look stupider than I already am? My own posts appearing in the wrong order, like this week. And last week three of my posts were unbatched nearly a fortnight after I sent them, so I ended up chipping in a comment to a thread that died 10 days previously. Anyone else noticed anything like this, or is it at my end? -- Jon Browne From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Jul 26 17:56:26 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 17:56:26 -0400 Subject: HW: Night Flying for trade Message-ID: FoFP kindly points out: >> Hello Hawkfriends, >> >> A while back I posted about the HW Night Flying cd I got for trade. >> I have gotten a proposal for another cd in trade by someone here, but since >> I accidently deleted the mail, I cannot remember who sent the letter. >> I apologize for this mistake. So, whoever sent the offer, I have this >> already. I am open to any offers for this cd, as I only paid $7.00 for this >> it wouldn't take much in trade to get it. It doesn't have any songs >> that aren't already on other compilations, but I figure it might be a >> must have for a Kollector. Let me know, cause if there are no takers, it's >> going to the flea market. > >Isn't it called "Night Riding"? > >FoFP > > Yes, it most certainly is. I put it in the cd case and was relying on my unreliable memory. Sorry Duane From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Jul 26 18:00:53 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 18:00:53 -0400 Subject: HW: Night Flying (Riding) for trade Message-ID: > >In message <199607252231.AA22250 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu>, Duane Hoyt > writes >> >>Duane >> >>OBCD: Quark, Strangeness, and Charm - this is the first time I have heard >> these versions of most of these songs. Most impressive. Fable of a >> Lost Race is outstanding. Forge of Vulcan is way cool. Oh, that >> reminds me. I spotted a 2cd compilation called The History of Ambient >> Music on Virgin Records ( I hope my memory isn't failing me on this) >> It had 2 HW songs on it, Forge of Vulcan and Lifeform. It also had >> some Gong, Fripp/Eno, oh man, too much short term memory loss goin, >> Shoulda wrote them down. :-( Anyway, if anyone is interested in this >> it was about $23.00, so I can get it for you if you want. If anyone >> wants it, I can go back and get a full tracklisting. > >Harold Budd, Tangerine Dream, Amorhpous Androgynous, Nusrat Khan, >Killing Joke, Faust, and loads more too! 152 minutes on 2 CD's >This is a great comp. Buy it for yerself, Duane! > > > >-- >Jon Browne > > I most certainly will eventually, but for right now, unless they are giving it away for free, I can't get it. I'm too busy trying to put together enough to finish getting the remasters. (4 down, 1 to go) Duane From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Jul 26 18:03:05 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 18:03:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: odd littlte bugs Message-ID: > >In message , Jon Browne > writes rather inconsistantly > >> >>ObCD Solstice Remixs 1st listen - so far so good :) > >Why is my mail server trying to make me look stupider than I already am? >My own posts appearing in the wrong order, like this week. And last week >three of my posts were unbatched nearly a fortnight after I sent them, >so I ended up chipping in a comment to a thread that died 10 days >previously. > >Anyone else noticed anything like this, or is it at my end? > >-- >Jon Browne > > I always get mine in inverse order. I get to read all the Re: before I get to the original post. I guess I could go to the last message and work my way back:-) Duane From ROBOdewd at AOL.COM Fri Jul 26 18:07:56 1996 From: ROBOdewd at AOL.COM (ROBOdewd at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 18:07:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: Show Review Message-ID: In a message dated 96-07-26 12:34:57 EDT, you write: << Norfolk, VA, July 19, 1996 Set List: Stairway to the Stars A Redcap, Before the Kiss ETI The Vigil Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie Shooting Shark Cities On Flame Then Came the Last Days of May Burnin' For You Godzilla (Don't Fear) The Reaper The Red and The Black (encore) >> Is it me or does it seem that the BOC sets are getting shorter and shorter??? IMO, this is a TERRIBLE setlist because it is short and lacks "kick" (Lips In the Hills, CU In Black, Take Me Away etc etc...)...I doubt that I'm gonna go to Baltimore and see them if this is the set they are playing... I dunno how serious EB was be he mentioned "resurrecting" Quicklime Girl... ROBO From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Jul 26 18:22:02 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 16:22:02 -0600 Subject: BOC: Show Review In-Reply-To: <960726180755_246519567@emout12.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Robo- Perhaps they are playing short sets only during " festival " type shows? I know what you mean; they only played 65 min in Farmington earlier this year, as to allow for the openers to do their sets. BOC in a club is definitely more intimate and comfortable for the fans, and, I think for the band as well. God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Jul 26 21:57:09 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 20:57:09 -0500 Subject: Best of HW covers & Assassins of Silence/Hundred Watt Violence Message-ID: On 22-JUL-1996 06:40:50.6 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >I've made a "best of" tape for a friend of the covers tapes/album. He's >not a huge HW fan, but owns like 5 or 6 albums, so I made a selection of >what I thought was best and would interest him - there's plenty of stuff >I'd included, but I felt I also had to take into account sound quality >as well as varied interesting and diverse interpretations, and decided >to squeeze it all (22 tracks) on one 100 minute tape, and I figured it >may be of some interest: >Side 1: >Hurry on Sundown/Finally Balanced >Master of the Universe/Wat Tyler >Silver Machine/Alien Sex Fiend >Quark, Strangeness & Charm/Puff Tube >Hassan I Sahba (spoken version)/Tibetan Bowlers >Assault & Battery, Golden Void/Dark Sun >Space is Deep/Human Pot Pie >Flying Doctor/Gorilla >Magnu: Angels of Death/The Moor >Urban Guerilla/Fuzzface Pufftube, spoken Tibetan, Gorilla and Fuzzface are not on any of my tapes. >Side 2: >Robot/F/i >Sonic Attack/Architectural Metaphor >Orgone Accumulator/Suffacox >The Right Stuff/Dark Sun >Right To Decide & Washing Machine medley/Mark Radcliffe & Co. >The Watcher/ST37 >Brainstorm/Monster Magnet >Ejection/New Bomb Turks >Lost Johnny/Mick Farren & The New Wave >Master of The Universe/Vertigo >Hassan I Sahba (hardcore version)/Tibetan Bowlers F/i, Decide/Washing, Watcher and New Bomb Turks aren't either. Did I miss some? >Christian And though no one's been answering my questions lately, I'm gonna toss out another one anyway... What happened to Lawnmower Deth's "Motorhead"? Was it decidedly too Motorhead (as in the band)? Chuck `[1;34;43mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Fri Jul 26 21:30:17 1996 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 21:30:17 -0400 Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: While we are on the topic of short sets, lets not forget the last buffalo appearance: Stairway Before the Kiss ETI The Vigil Burin Godzilla Reaper That was it.... Consider yourself lucky that you were able to hear Shooting Shark, Harvest Mood, and ...Last Days of May. From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Fri Jul 26 21:37:16 1996 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 21:37:16 -0400 Subject: BOC: Perfect Water Message-ID: Does anyone know if they have ever played "Perfect Water" live??? I saw them the first time in 1986 but dont remember the set list because I was only 16 and it was my first BOC show and I wasn't a real big fan at the time. It was that show that turned me on to them however. Since then I have seen them three times on this tour (Niagara Falls NY, Allentown PA, and Buffalo NY) to make up for what I was missing..... From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Fri Jul 26 21:49:58 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 21:49:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: Show Review Message-ID: All hail the return the masters of highly polished metal - how could anyone complain about this set list. Yes - I would miss TMA and the others - However - the Vigil, Last Days, and Shooting Shark in the same set - wow ! Shawn From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jul 26 22:28:50 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 22:28:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: odd littlte bugs In-Reply-To: <199607262203.AA08575@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Duane Hoyt wrote: > I always get mine in inverse order. I get to read all the Re: before I get to > the original post. I guess I could go to the last message and work my way > back:-) Lots of mail reading programs allow you to change the way mail is ordered in your mailbox when reading. A lot of them default to "most recent mail first" (e.g. "inverse order"), which is what yours sounds like it is set to. It might be worth your while to enquire as to whether it is possible to change the order via some menu option. Cheers, Paul. obFilm: The Frighteners e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jul 26 22:35:21 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 22:35:21 -0400 Subject: Best of HW covers & Assassins of Silence/Hundred Watt Violence In-Reply-To: <01I7JJCBCE2A939SK6@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Jul 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > Subject: Best of HW covers & Assassins of Silence/Hundred Watt Violence > > On 22-JUL-1996 06:40:50.6 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > >I've made a "best of" tape for a friend of the covers tapes/album. He's > >not a huge HW fan, but owns like 5 or 6 albums, so I made a selection of > >what I thought was best and would interest him - there's plenty of stuff > >I'd included, but I felt I also had to take into account sound quality > >as well as varied interesting and diverse interpretations, and decided > >to squeeze it all (22 tracks) on one 100 minute tape, and I figured it > >may be of some interest: > >Side 1: [...] > Pufftube, spoken Tibetan, Gorilla and Fuzzface are not on any of my tapes. > > >Side 2: [...] > F/i, Decide/Washing, Watcher and New Bomb Turks aren't either. Did I miss > some? I think an earlier message by the poster (and the "Subject:" line itself) indicates that the tracks for the compilation were taken from the BOC-L Hawkwind Covers Tapes *and* the 2LP covers compilation, _Assassins of Silence/100 Watt Violence_ put out by Doug Bates. The ones you don't recognise are most likely from the latter release. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Sat Jul 27 11:47:22 1996 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 15:47:22 GMT Subject: HW gig at Cunlhat - France - Message-ID: HW are officially announced at the 'free Wheels' bike show*rock festival at Cunlhat - Auvergne - France - ; it's about 500 km from Paris; 790 from Calais by motorway. Exactly, 59 km SE from Clermond Ferrant. Program is 15,16,17,18 August for 200 FF (access to camping site included): * Thursday 15th: Peter Alexander Band - Microwave Dave + guests * Friday 16 th: Offspring - Webb Wilder - Omar & the Owlers - Popa Chubby - Mikael Katon * Saturday 17 th: Iron Maiden - Helloween - Hawkwind - Metalovoice - Jason & the Scorchers + guests Don't know if you can watch only one day - INFO at (33) 73 36 99 11/(33) 38 45 68 62 It's sponsored by the 'Hell's Angels - France' but hopefully opened to all kind of bike. Now, unofficial info: the Hawks should play at 2 in the morning. They should be around, 3 days before, maybe to visit the volcanoes of Auvergne...? - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From LukeChurch at AOL.COM Sat Jul 27 12:45:51 1996 From: LukeChurch at AOL.COM (Jean-Luc Carrier) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:45:51 -0400 Subject: Rep : BOC: Perfect Water Message-ID: Hi, As far as I know (knowledge based on Ninja Tour setlits), they never played "Perfect Water" on stage. But nevertheless, if you want to hear this tune live, Buck and his Red & Black group played it back in 1990. Got the show from North Rewark (1990.3.30) et I can trade with you a copy (horrible sound). LuKe From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sat Jul 27 12:47:56 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:47:56 -0400 Subject: Rep : BOC: Perfect Water Message-ID: Also, they played it in a soundcheck for a show in Ipswich in '85, but not in the show itself. (Hey Luke - salut, et bienvenu a boc-l!) - Andy From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Sat Jul 27 14:15:41 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 14:15:41 -0400 Subject: Rep : BOC: Perfect Water Message-ID: Hi, I think I saw them twice on what would be considered the Club Ninja tour, and I think the only tunes they did were "Dancin in the ruins", "Rock Not War", "Beat 'Em Up", and "Shadow Warrior". I believe they also did "White Flags" on other shows. Anyone here them do any of the others? Rich From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Sat Jul 27 18:09:08 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 23:09:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Spirit of the Page In-Reply-To: <199607260357.NAA30116@burwood.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: Reply to Assassin Sonique about HW: Spirit of the Page >I've just been informed that the problems with the Calvert Page have >(hopefully) been rectified: >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >I just got a mail from my server man regarding the access troubls several >people had. >He has fixed a few things now - and after all I`ve tried (getting response >from a few search engines and found the site on another computer who did not >find it before) I guess it should work ok. now for everyone - hope so. >-------- >Sonique I've been trying the site evrytime I go surfing for weeks with no luck until last night, At last. Well worth the wait. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sun Jul 28 01:18:02 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 01:18:02 -0400 Subject: HW gig at Cunlhat - France - In-Reply-To: <1114697694.4247982@techlink.fr> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, Olivier Boigey wrote: > HW are officially announced at the 'free Wheels' bike show*rock festival at > Cunlhat - Auvergne - France - ; > Program is 15,16,17,18 August for 200 FF (access to camping site included): > * Friday 16 th: Offspring - Webb Wilder - Omar & the Owlers - Popa Chubby - > Mikael Katon On the strength of his _Booty and the Beast_ album, I definitely give Popa Chubby the thumbs up. Very tasty blues guitar work. > * Saturday 17 th: Iron Maiden - Helloween - Hawkwind - Metalovoice - Jason & > the Scorchers + guests Wot, Hawkwind playing support to Helloween?? I didn't realise they were still together! Cheers, Paul. obSpeedMetal: Helloween, "Ride the Sky" e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jul 28 08:30:26 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 13:30:26 +0100 Subject: HW gig at Cunlhat - France - In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jul 28, 96 01:18:02 am Message-ID: > Wot, Hawkwind playing support to Helloween?? I didn't realise they were > still together! Wot, Hawkwind or Helloween? ;) ;) ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From mumford at EUNET.NO Sun Jul 28 09:15:50 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 15:15:50 +0200 Subject: Best of HW covers & Assassins of Silence/Hundred Watt Violence Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > > I think an earlier message by the poster (and the "Subject:" line itself) > indicates that the tracks for the compilation were taken from the BOC-L > Hawkwind Covers Tapes *and* the 2LP covers compilation, _Assassins of > Silence/100 Watt Violence_ put out by Doug Bates. The ones you don't > recognise are most likely from the latter release. Yes, I guess I should have made that clearer... Dave Berry was kind enough to make me a tape of that as well - so I recieved a massive 6 tape set in the mail, and worked my way through all of them... quite a bit of material to digest in one weekend! Christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Sun Jul 28 11:32:11 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 17:32:11 +0200 Subject: OFF: VDGG/Aerosol Grey Machine Message-ID: I'm interested in obtaining a tape copy of this vinyl-only Vand Der Graaf Generator album. Does anybody have this? E-mail me if you want to make me a copy by trading or otherwise! Christian From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sun Jul 28 12:36:44 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:36:44 -0500 Subject: HW: early HW with Moorcock Message-ID: I was foodling around in alt.books.moorcock today while listening to Space Ritual when I remembered MM saying that he'd often performed with HW during their early days. Does anyone have a complete--or some approximation thereto--listing of shows that MM has done with HW (Mike? Jill? Bernhard?)? Also, does anyone know if the Deep Fix ever performed live, perhaps with HW members? (If so, a dates list on them would be cool too). If no one has such thing, I'll happily begin compiling one to put up with the other MM stuff on my web page, if people would like to submit what info they have. Naturally, I'd love to trade for copies of shows that I don't own, too :-) I feel like I really should know this stuff already, between the gigabytes of info passed across the list each year, and my own MM interest, but I don't. Any help/enlightenment would be appreciated! Allan. PS: Has anyone heard anything more on the HW reissues hitting the US as domestic releases??? I've held off from buying the imports from Mike Coleman because I'd rather a) get them cheaper, and b) let HW know there's a US market. But I'm getting antsy.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jul 29 05:41:59 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:41:59 +0100 Subject: Rep : BOC: Perfect Water [via LSMTP - see www.lsoft.com] In-Reply-To: <960727141541_165531965@emout14.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, Rich Hamel wrote: > Hi, > > I think I saw them twice on what would be considered the > Club Ninja tour, and I think the only tunes they did > were "Dancin in the ruins", "Rock Not War", "Beat 'Em Up", > and "Shadow Warrior". I believe they also did "White Flags" > on other shows. Anyone here them do any of the others? I could be confabulating, but I seem to recall that the London leg of this tour included "A Spy in the House of Night" and "Madness to the Method". Dave From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Jul 29 06:37:35 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Big Mike Wright (he's been to Spain)) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:37:35 +0100 Subject: HW: UK Nov gig Message-ID: Wotcher peeps, at the Langtree Summer Daze festival there were flyers for an all dayer at Bath Pavillion with Hawkwind headlining. Other bands are Porcupine Tree, Bevis Frond Baka Beyond and others. It is a noon 'till midnight do (although if Saturday is anything to go by HW will get on about 10ish, and play until 11:43 and then not come back for a 2nd encore despite there being about quarter of an hour before the curfew and lots of rowdy fans wanting more from them). Date Saturday 2nd November. Ticket info 01225 447770. If this is the same people that did the Gong all dayer it will probably be jolly fine. Mike w From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Jul 29 06:55:07 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Big Mike Wright (he's been to Spain)) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:55:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Langtree Festy Message-ID: It was a jolly fine day, and I drank some beer and chatted to people, saw Alan smoke a Johnny J with a cigarette holder (how effete), saw Ron with pushchair and young offspring and saw Richard be very short indeed. The atmosphere was very friendly and the stage bigger than I expected. AS for the set list, well I'll leave that to people who hadn't been drinking beer as it is far more likely they will get it right. Some things that I do seem to recall; The Awakening was quite early on, possibly following Abducted. Psi power was there, in fact when comparing it with the set list from BURG HERZBERG, 21.07.1996, 110/9 abducted / psi power / awakening/ photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent I think it is very similar. The crowd was lively, especially during hassan (surprise surprise) when they ambled into the cordoned off bit infront of the stage and danced with the security people there. Any views requiring more careful analysis of things will have to be supplied by others. I had a good time. Kris was there, as was the belly dancer. Ron's young offspring spent a lot of time on stage, it was fun to see a 4 foot alien ambling around. Also playing were Captain Rizz, who seem to get better everytime I see them Cheers Mikey w From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jul 29 09:05:57 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:05:57 -0400 Subject: Rep : BOC: Perfect Water Message-ID: I believe that they did "Spy in the House of the Night" a few times. And of course, while not a "Club Ninja" song (although it should have been), they also did "Wings of Mercury" on that tour. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Jul 29 10:31:03 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:31:03 EST Subject: BOC: Perfect Water Message-ID: > Does anyone know if they have ever played "Perfect Water" live??? > > I saw them the first time in 1986 but dont remember the set list because > I was only 16 and it was my first BOC show and I wasn't a real big fan at > the time. It was that show that turned me on to them however. Since then I > have seen them three times on this tour (Niagara Falls NY, Allentown PA, and > Buffalo NY) to make up for what I was missing..... I've never heard them play it, and I saw them during the infamous Club Ninja tour. BTW, do you know what their current touring shedule is? You seem to be located in the northeast? That's my area too. I'd sure like to see them this summer. It's been a while... theo From stayer at PI.NET Mon Jul 29 03:02:45 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 00:02:45 PDT Subject: OFF: VDGG/Aerosol Grey Machine Message-ID: Christian, (I almost made a typo - Christina :-) ) >I'm interested in obtaining a tape copy of this vinyl-only Vand Der >Graaf Generator album. Does anybody have this? E-mail me if you want to >make me a copy by trading or otherwise! Er, I have the vinyl and don't like it too much. We could trade the LP. What do you think? Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Mon Jul 29 03:04:33 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 00:04:33 PDT Subject: Misinterpreted Lyrics Book Message-ID: Just had to share this one... On the Boston mailing list we were having a thread on misinterpreted lyrics. (Didn't we have one on boc-l some time ago as well?) >The Misinterpreted lyrics book is called 'Scuse Me While I Kiss This Guy >and Other Misheard >Lyrics by Gavin Edwards. >Don't Fear the Reaper by BOC...misheard as Don't Fear the Reefer So, this is another link between BOC and HW? Or a HW parody on a BOC song? :-) Jerry From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Jul 29 11:46:01 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:46:01 +0200 Subject: HW: early HW with Moorcock Message-ID: Hello >Does anyone have a complete--or some >approximation thereto--listing of shows that MM has done with HW (Mike? >Jill? Bernhard?)? I know only a handfull of shows when MM appeared for sure with HAWKWIND Suppose that is IMPOSSIBLE to reserch all these gigs :-(( Bernhard From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jul 29 12:02:39 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:02:39 +0200 Subject: OFF: VDGG/Aerosol Grey Machine Message-ID: Jerry wrote: > > Christian, (I almost made a typo - Christina :-) ) Hey, I almost do that all the time too! > > >I'm interested in obtaining a tape copy of this vinyl-only Vand Der > >Graaf Generator album. Does anybody have this? E-mail me if you want to > >make me a copy by trading or otherwise! > > Er, I have the vinyl and don't like it too much. We could trade the LP. What > do you think? Okay... I don't have too much in the way of tradables.... I do have some CDs I'd like to get rid of: Fish/Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Hawkwind (old one-way and EMI ones)/Hawkwind/In Search of Space/Doremi Fasol Latido/Space Ritual/Hall of The Mountain Grill (Alex - do you still want these???), Tyrannosaurus Rex/The Complete.... Hmm. Not too much I think you'd want - but I'm still interested in the vinyl if we can work something out. Christina (Waaaah!) From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Jul 29 12:01:41 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:01:41 -0400 Subject: HW: early HW with Moorcock Message-ID: >I know only a handfull of shows when MM appeared for sure with HAWKWIND >Bernhard If you are compiling a list, I can tell you for sure that MM appeared with HW at Oxford Apollo in March 1984 Martyn and a damned good concert it was as well! From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Jul 29 12:14:31 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:14:31 +0200 Subject: HW: early HW with Moorcock Message-ID: Hi there > If you are compiling a list, I can tell you for sure >that MM appeared with HW at Oxford Apollo in March 1984 Thanks, but I know that MM played this gig Bernhard > From mumford at EUNET.NO Mon Jul 29 12:27:47 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:27:47 +0200 Subject: HW: early HW with Moorcock Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > > Hi there > > > If you are compiling a list, I can tell you for sure > >that MM appeared with HW at Oxford Apollo in March 1984 > > Thanks, but I know that MM played this gig > Well, *I* didn't! Christian From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Jul 29 12:45:21 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:45:21 +0200 Subject: HW: early HW with Moorcock Message-ID: >Bernhard Pospiech wrote: >> > If you are compiling a list, I can tell you for sure >> >that MM appeared with HW at Oxford Apollo in March 1984 >> >> Thanks, but I know that MM played this gig >> > >Well, *I* didn't! OK. Here is a list of the known appearances: - 22.06.1971 - 25.07.1973 - 10.08.1974 - 20.10.1980 - 16.12.1980 - 18.12.1981 - 12.11.1982 - 13.03.1984 - 14.03.1984 - 17.04.1984 - 03.12.1985 - 04.12.1985 Did I forget a gig ?? Bernhard From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Mon Jul 29 12:50:45 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:50:45 CDT Subject: Best of HW covers & Assassins of Silence/Hundred Watt Violence Message-ID: >Hawkwind Covers Tapes *and* the 2LP covers compilation, _Assassins of >Silence/100 Watt Violence_ put out by Doug Bates. The ones you don't I'd love to take credit for that wonderful LP, but in fact it was Doug Ceres (sp?). We did converse by email for a while after he left the list but I've lost his address. Now I'm rather fuzzy about his last name. He contributed several tracks to the BOC-L covers tapes that were not on his tribute LP. In fact some were never released on anything official, one by ST37 comes to mind. The dude knows space rock like no one else. On a related note, I'd like to think Paul and I had a hand in naming a Brain Surgeons CD. There had been a few posts about the 13th Floor El- evators and I posted about Roky Ericson's method of obtaining enlighten- ment. Paul pefectly nailed the idea I tried to convey down to one word, Trepanation! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Doug Bates Systems Analyst Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham Voice (205) 934-9087 Fax (205) 975-7129 Email dbates at uab.edu From PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK Mon Jul 29 14:39:38 1996 From: PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK (Martin Penneck) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:39:38 GMT Subject: Information on a live recording wanted Message-ID: Hi All, I'd like to know whether anyone out there has got a copy of Rock and Roll Reapers: Live Long Beach (or it could have been Pasadena, I can't remember!) 1983 CD that I could get a copy of. I first heard of this via the sleeve notes of a Pogues albumn on Moghul Mightmare Records and the list number of the CD was METAL 106CD. I've tried without success to get this via my normal outlets so I would like to know if anyone has heard this CD and if so what it was like, and thirdly whether I can get a copy of it or not! Cheers Martin PN013 at Lamp.ac.uk (no cool BOC lyrics to finish as yet!) From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Jul 29 13:49:20 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 13:49:20 -0400 Subject: Best of HW covers & Assassins of Silence/Hundred Watt Violence Message-ID: >I'd love to take credit for that wonderful LP, but in fact it was Doug >Ceres (sp?). We did converse by email for a while after he left the list I think you mean Doug pearson at Ceres records (ceres at sirius.com) Martyn From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jul 29 13:56:53 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 13:56:53 -0400 Subject: Misinterpreted Lyrics Book Message-ID: >Just had to share this one... >So, this is another link between BOC and HW? Or a HW parody on a BOC song? (previously mentioned) On the inside cover of Hawkwind: Psychadelic Warlords, the Best of, Dave Brock is wearing a Blue ?yster Cult T-Shirt... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jul 29 15:06:11 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:06:11 -0400 Subject: Best of HW covers & Assassins of Silence/Hundred Watt Violence In-Reply-To: <199607291731.NAA11938@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Doug wrote: > >Hawkwind Covers Tapes *and* the 2LP covers compilation, _Assassins of > >Silence/100 Watt Violence_ put out by Doug Bates. The ones you don't > > I'd love to take credit for that wonderful LP, but in fact it was Doug > Ceres (sp?). We did converse by email for a while after he left the list > but I've lost his address. Now I'm rather fuzzy about his last name. Oops, sorry. I knew the 2LP was put out on Ceres Records by Doug somebody, and I thought you were the somebody behind that outfit. (I know, flattery will get me everywhere...;) > On a related note, I'd like to think Paul and I had a hand in naming a > Brain Surgeons CD. There had been a few posts about the 13th Floor El- > evators and I posted about Roky Ericson's method of obtaining enlighten- > ment. Paul pefectly nailed the idea I tried to convey down to one word, > Trepanation! 'Fraid I can't take the credit for that one. Although familiar with the decidely outre practice of trepanation beforehand, I'm sure it was Steve Swann who first uttered that word as a suggestion for the Brain Surgeons album. At least that's when TBS were canvassing for suggestions. Btw, what *was* their original title that they dropped in favour of _Trepanation_? Or are they keeping it for the upcoming release? One of my suggestions was _Into the Hippo Campus_, for when they release a live album recorded before the cheering millions at a university (Virginia Tech, natch;), and would feature a reprise of the _Eponymous_ cover art... ;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Jul 29 16:18:38 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:18:38 -0400 Subject: BOC: Short Sets In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960727013017.00675bdc@buffnet.net> from "Joseph M. Lofft" at Jul 26, 96 09:30:17 pm Message-ID: Joseph M. Lofft writes: > > While we are on the topic of short sets, lets not forget the last buffalo > appearance: > > Stairway > Before the Kiss > ETI > The Vigil > Burin > Godzilla > Reaper > > That was it.... > > Consider yourself lucky that you were able to hear Shooting Shark, > Harvest Mood, and ...Last Days of May. Actually, I would have counted myself lucky to see that short show with The Vigil. I saw BOC something like 6 or 7 times in Buffalo, between 1983 and 1994, and they played practically an identical set every time (actually, not true - the RbN tour featured some songs that I've never seen since, like Black Blade). The songs that I most wanted to see were Astronomy and Last Days of May - I had to wait until last year in North Carolina to see the latter, and I have NEVER seen Astronomy. The Vigil is one that I had long ago given up even the hope of seeing... I seem to be odds with most fans on this one, but I just don't wet myself over "Stairway to the Stars", or even "The Red and the Black". I would much rather hear stuff like Quicklime Girl, Wings Wetted Down, 7 Screaming Diz Busters, Death Valley Nights, Astronomy, Last Days of May, Hot Rails to Hell, etc, etc. Of that entire list, I've seen one of those songs. Once. Actually, of the last BOC show, the highlights for me were Last Days of May (at last!), and Baby Ice Dog, of all things! Why BID, although it's not one of my all-time faves? Because it was fresh, and not worn thin with thousands of repetitons. The band seemed to be MUCH more energized when playing it than when they were playing their 10,000th "Reaper". That made all the difference. Wow, did this ramble off topic or what? :) Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Jul 29 16:32:37 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:32:37 -0400 Subject: Best of HW covers & Assassins of Silence/Hundred Watt Violence In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jul 29, 96 03:06:11 pm Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Doug wrote: > > > On a related note, I'd like to think Paul and I had a hand in naming a > > Brain Surgeons CD. There had been a few posts about the 13th Floor El- > > evators and I posted about Roky Ericson's method of obtaining enlighten- > > ment. Paul pefectly nailed the idea I tried to convey down to one word, > > Trepanation! > > 'Fraid I can't take the credit for that one. Although familiar with the > decidely outre practice of trepanation beforehand, I'm sure it was Steve > Swann who first uttered that word as a suggestion for the Brain Surgeons > album. At least that's when TBS were canvassing for suggestions. Yeah, I got it from the aforementioned discussion on BOC-L. In fact, I was utterly surprised that I was was the first person to mention it when tBS started soliciting album title suggestions. The Trepanation thread had been less than a year previous to that, I would guess. Btw, Paul, I haven't forgotten the MM EP. I've just been busy relocating. It's in a box somewhere. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Mon Jul 29 16:49:34 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:49:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: Short Sets In-Reply-To: <199607292018.QAA07288@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jul 29, 96 04:18:38 pm Message-ID: > I've never seen since, like Black Blade). The songs that I most wanted > to see were Astronomy and Last Days of May - I had to wait until last > year in North Carolina to see the latter, and I have NEVER seen > Astronomy. The Vigil is one that I had long ago given up even the > > of those songs. Once. Actually, of the last BOC show, the highlights > for me were Last Days of May (at last!), and Baby Ice Dog, of all Steve - I must have missed the report on that show, because I didn't know they had brought Baby Ice Dog back into the fold... I know the Brain Surgeons have been playing it, but... So, which show was it they did BID at? I went to 2 NC shows last year (Asheville and Charlotte), and unless I was completely out to lunch, I don't think they did BID at either of those. So just for my info, are these (following) the only "new" songs they've returned to the playlist recently (i.e. past year)?: Lips in the Hills Baby Ice Dog The Vigil In Thee Shooting Shark 7SDizbusters ? Has this one made it back? I'm not counting Dominance, since it hasn't really been gone that long. I've not seen the 5 above, or 7SD, and hope they continue to keep them in when next they invade the confederate states... -Bryan I. From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jul 30 04:22:00 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:22:00 PDT Subject: BOCbase Message-ID: For those of you who are (still) interested... BOCbase has been updated. Especially BOCgigs - over 500 gigs at the moment, and I still have data coming in... Jerry From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Jul 29 20:55:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 19:55:00 -0500 Subject: Web Page Message-ID: There is a new web page that has some psychedelic music info and links. www.lsd25.com Chris Bruce of the Kadu Flyer informed me about it. The postcard about the new kadu Flyer will be printed shortly (he told me this 6 weeks ago and again tonight), but I will keep you informed. Scott ObCs- KISS- Hotter than Hell P.S. Paul Ward, Chris said that he has 100's of photos scanned from the US tours 1989-1991 that you can put on your phot gallery, jsut let me know what format you need them in and we can arrange something. From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Jul 29 20:05:52 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:05:52 -0700 Subject: HW: Langtree Festy Message-ID: Sounds like agreat day. I doubt we'll we'll ever again have the like here in the craphole US. One consolation: A friend returned from the UK with an advert poster for the gig. Weird seeing it 2 days before the event...:) Wylie the insanely jealous From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Mon Jul 29 21:57:19 1996 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:57:19 -0400 Subject: Moorcock inspired music In-Reply-To: <199607291645.SAA25513@exit.ruhr.de> from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Jul 29, 96 06:45:21 pm Message-ID: a new (sort of...i haven't seen it mentioned before) piece of MM inspired music-- song:the birthplace of matter from the cd: the john carter songbook by: sten hanson cd info: phono suecia ps cd 30, 1986 recorded feb/mar 1975 and is basically 8-9 minutes of electronic noodling (not really my cup o tea i'm afraid) the rest of the cd is similar material inspired by the john carter Mars stories --dave From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jul 29 22:07:10 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:07:10 +1100 Subject: OFF: Calvert-ish links Message-ID: If you haven't been to the "Spirit of the Page" yet ... shame on you! But in any case, check out Knut's links page ..... http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calinks.htm Paul -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Jul 29 19:39:31 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 23:39:31 +0000 Subject: Moorcock inspired music Message-ID: dave cohen wrote: > > a new (sort of...i haven't seen it mentioned before) > piece of MM inspired music-- > > song:the birthplace of matter > from the cd: the john carter songbook > by: sten hanson > cd info: phono suecia ps cd 30, 1986 > > recorded feb/mar 1975 > > and is basically 8-9 minutes of electronic noodling > (not really my cup o tea i'm afraid) > > the rest of the cd is similar material inspired > by the john carter Mars stories > > --dave sorry if im dense, but are you aware mm had nothing to do with j carter other than to borrow heavily for his own mars books? im just thinking you may have the two stories confused. thats not to say that im not interested in hearing it..:) edgar rice borroughs wrote th jc series 1912-1930 or there abouts. sorry if i flubbed this, rj From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Jul 30 16:34:36 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:34:36 EST Subject: Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <960723122515_243820105@emout12.mail.aol.com>; from "Andy Gilham" at Jul 24, 96 12:25:18 pm Message-ID: > > Dave B said > > >I'm mildly surprised that the version of Urban Guerilla that was released > >around 1980 has not made it onto a re-release as a bonus track. Maybe if > >Live '79 is ever given the treatment... > > Actually, that would be an interesting project - a restored _Live 1979_ with > not only "UG", but also "PXR5", and "SM" segueing into "Levitation" instead > of exploding... could even make Mike a happy man by including "New > Jerusalem". I second or third that,Levitation was awesome live in '79 and before Ginger. Twas a real nice surprise coming out of SM,and yep Please put a copy of NJ on it as well. The live version on Stonehenge just doesn't compare,check out yer tapes from the '79 tour and I think you'll agree. Damn should of asked Brock about it. regards Marty (PRLSNWLANJOI) > From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Jul 30 02:01:59 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:01:59 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <9607300534.AA06801@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Martyn Lawrence wrote: > Marty (PRLSNWLANJOI) Great... now someone will have to ask what the heck that stands for. How annoying. :P Damon From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Jul 30 17:16:44 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:16:44 EST Subject: Hawkwind In-Reply-To: ; from "Damon C Capehart" at Jul 31, 96 01:01:59 am Message-ID: > > On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Martyn Lawrence wrote: > > Marty (PRLSNWLANJOI) > Great... now someone will have to ask what the heck that stands for. > > How annoying. :P > > Damon > Sorry couldn't resist with the messages over the past few weeks Please Release Live Seventy Nine With Levitation And New Jerusalem On It regards Marty (Blank) From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Jul 30 06:14:28 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 06:14:28 -0400 Subject: Moorcock inspired music Message-ID: as previously mentioned; >dave cohen wrote: >> >> a new (sort of...i haven't seen it mentioned before) >> piece of MM inspired music-- >> >> song:the birthplace of matter >> from the cd: the john carter songbook >> by: sten hanson >> cd info: phono suecia ps cd 30, 1986 >> > >sorry if im dense, but are you aware mm had nothing to do with j carter >other than to borrow heavily for his own mars books? >im just thinking you may have the two stories confused. >thats not to say that im not interested in hearing it..:) >edgar rice borroughs wrote th jc series 1912-1930 or there abouts. >sorry if i flubbed this, rj > > I have also run across this cd, and I also wondered what a MM inspired piece of ambience was doing on it. But it *is* a piece inspired by a MM story at the end of the Carter inspired stuff. Maybe it's Sten's 2 fave writers? Duane From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Jul 30 08:16:48 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:16:48 +0100 Subject: BOC: Short Sets In-Reply-To: <199607292018.QAA07288@phantom.mindvox.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve I agree with everything you say. Comments below. - Mike Godwin On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Stephen Swann wrote: > The songs that I most wanted > to see were Astronomy and Last Days of May - I had to wait until last > year in North Carolina to see the latter, and I have NEVER seen > Astronomy. Mike Godwin replies: Agreed - these are their two best numbers. The only time I ever saw them play Astronomy, they did the crappy "Hey - Hey Hey" version while promoting Imaginos, rather than the proper Secret Treaties version. My mates saw them in Leicester on the UK laser tour and said they played an amazing Astronomy, but they didn't include it when I saw them in Bristol. > I would much rather hear stuff like Quicklime Girl, Wings Wetted Down, > 7 Screaming Diz Busters, Death Valley Nights, Astronomy, Last Days of > May, Hot Rails to Hell, etc, etc. MG: Has anyone seen them play QLG or WWW? I certainly haven't. Actually, of the last BOC show, the highlights > for me were Last Days of May (at last!), and Baby Ice Dog, of all > things! MG: Wow! I'd really like to heave been there. Guess I just like Tyranny and Mutation... From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 30 10:03:50 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:03:50 EST Subject: BOC: additions to set Message-ID: > at either of those. So just for my info, are these (following) the only > "new" songs they've returned to the playlist recently (i.e. past year)?: > > Lips in the Hills > Baby Ice Dog > The Vigil > In Thee > Shooting Shark > > 7SDizbusters ? Has this one made it back? > I'm not counting Dominance, since it hasn't really been gone that long. > > I've not seen the 5 above, or 7SD, and hope they continue to keep them in > when next they invade the confederate states... > > -Bryan I. Those 5 are rather significant in that I've never seen BOC do any of them except In Thee, and that was only once. I'm talking about BOC, not 3OC, as I've only seen 3OC a few times. Maybe they did 'Lips' once also, on the CE tour. I've never seen BID, not even in the old times. Or Teen Archer, or Mistress, or Wings. And I saw them a couple of times just before ST came out. You'd figure they'd still be playing the hell out of T&M... theo From mumford at EUNET.NO Tue Jul 30 11:05:06 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:05:06 +0200 Subject: BOC/HW ratio Message-ID: Okay, here I am probably breaking some unwritten code of this list or something, but here goes: What's the ratio of Hawkwind fans, Blue Oyster Cult fans, and fans of both on this list?? I'm sure this has been established at some point, with everybody figuring out "what's the damn point?". I'm just curious - I'm not out to create a useless debate on who's best or anything. Just wondering, since it seems there is far more Hawkwind related stuff... then again Hawkwind are very active these days. I'm sure there's loads of BOC fans who don't have too much to say since BOC seems to have more or less stopped releasing records or playing large shows. The BOC stuff on this list tends to be very sporadic, wheras the Hawkwind & family threads can get massive. Now another question would be: how many BOC fans have picked up Hawkwind albums or seen them live because of this list, and how many Hawkwind fans have done vice versa? Yes, I suppose this is my useless continuation of the "What HW/BOC connection?" thing from some time ago... Get a life, me? Nah... :o) Christian From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Tue Jul 30 11:14:03 1996 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:14:03 -0400 Subject: Moorcock inspired music In-Reply-To: <31FD4BB3.FD0@erols.com> from "SKARSOL" at Jul 29, 96 11:39:31 pm Message-ID: > > piece of MM inspired music-- > > > > song:the birthplace of matter > > from the cd: the john carter songbook > > by: sten hanson > > cd info: phono suecia ps cd 30, 1986 > > > > recorded feb/mar 1975 > > > > and is basically 8-9 minutes of electronic noodling > > (not really my cup o tea i'm afraid) > > > > the rest of the cd is similar material inspired > > by the john carter Mars stories > > > > --dave > > sorry if im dense, but are you aware mm had nothing to do with j carter > other than to borrow heavily for his own mars books? > im just thinking you may have the two stories confused. > thats not to say that im not interested in hearing it..:) > edgar rice borroughs wrote th jc series 1912-1930 or there abouts. > sorry if i flubbed this, rj > i should have been a bit more clear initially i guess-- only one song on the cd is MM inspired ("the birthplace of matter") all the other songs are ERB inspired. sorry for the confusion. --dave From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Tue Jul 30 12:31:01 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:31:01 +0000 Subject: BOC/HW ratio Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > > Okay, here I am probably breaking some unwritten code of this list or > something, but here goes: > > What's the ratio of Hawkwind fans, Blue Oyster Cult fans, and fans of > both on this list?? > Well I'd have a problem. For me you'd have to ask "what proportion of your fandom do to appotion to each of the bands". I've seen both, own albums by both and would go and see both again ! Having said that Hawkwind are the best band in the Universe whilst BOC are just rather good. (heads down into the bunker) Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From mumford at EUNET.NO Tue Jul 30 11:44:43 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:44:43 +0200 Subject: BOC/HW ratio Message-ID: Andy Cobley wrote: > > Having said that Hawkwind are the best band in the Universe whilst BOC > are just rather good. > > (heads down into the bunker) > and make room for the rest of us! Christian From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jul 30 11:41:13 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:41:13 -0400 Subject: BOC/HW ratio Message-ID: >Okay, here I am probably breaking some unwritten code of this list or >something, but here goes: > >What's the ratio of Hawkwind fans, Blue Oyster Cult fans, and fans of >both on this list?? \ Um, just look at the mailing list and count. >Now another question would be: how many BOC fans have picked up Hawkwind >albums or seen them live because of this list, and how many Hawkwind >fans have done vice versa? I was into both before here, but I was weaker on my Hawkwind background (I had only gotten CotBS, IITBOTFTBD, and LOL (a cleopatra cd w/ LOL, 7x7, Paradox, YBBI, 2 capt lockheed - TRS, Ejection, and one latter-day turner item (something about weighing negative confession or something that I don't care for) before here, this is a great place to get advice on what to get next. Now, I did get into the Brain Surgeons because of this list... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jul 30 11:49:21 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:49:21 -0400 Subject: BOC/HW ratio Message-ID: >Christian Mumford wrote: >Having said that Hawkwind are the best band in the Universe whilst BOC >are just rather good. No, ?$?st?rd????ra from the fornax galaxy are somewhat better. They're just like Hawkwind, without Doug Smith. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jul 30 13:11:47 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:11:47 +0100 Subject: BOC/HW ratio In-Reply-To: <31FE24A2.7DF@eunet.no> Message-ID: In message <31FE24A2.7DF at eunet.no>, Christian Mumford writes >Okay, here I am probably breaking some unwritten code of this list or >something, but here goes: > >Now another question would be: how many BOC fans have picked up Hawkwind >albums or seen them live because of this list, and how many Hawkwind >fans have done vice versa? Count me in the Hawk camp. Having said that, you can't read this stuff every day without being curious. I have dusted of my Agents of Fortune bought in '81(?), and have given serious cosideration in buying Workshop of the Telescopes. Futhermore, I do now pick up and examine BOC vinyl at record fairs. I'm sure it'll happen soon and I'll have to buy loads of stuff at once. I think that's why I haven't started yet :) -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jul 30 13:14:19 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:14:19 +0100 Subject: BOC/HW ratio In-Reply-To: <199607301549.LAA09151@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: In message <199607301549.LAA09151 at grumpy.magg.net>, "Andrew A. Apold" writes >No, ?$?st?rd????ra from the fornax galaxy are somewhat better. >They're just like Hawkwind, without Doug Smith. Problem is, you can only get their stuff on import and at $40,000 a disc, well..... -- Jon Browne From mumford at EUNET.NO Tue Jul 30 13:37:41 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:37:41 +0200 Subject: BOC/HW ratio Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > Count me in the Hawk camp. Having said that, you can't read this stuff > every day without being curious. I have dusted of my Agents of Fortune > bought in '81(?), and have given serious cosideration in buying Workshop > of the Telescopes. I only bought WotT because of this list, and its cool. But Hawkwind are the greatest band this side of ?$?st?rd????ra and the rest off the fornax galaxy. Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 30 13:47:42 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:47:42 +0100 Subject: BOC/HW ratio In-Reply-To: <31FE24A2.7DF@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jul 30, 96 05:05:06 pm Message-ID: > Now another question would be: how many BOC fans have picked up Hawkwind > albums or seen them live because of this list, and how many Hawkwind > fans have done vice versa? Well, I actually joined the list as a recent BOC convert and then got interested in this mysterious "Hawkwind" thing :) Historically, Hawkwind have always given the list more to talk about. BOC are dangerously inactive, but at least we have the Brain Surgeons to keep things alive (go on--mix that album, you lot! ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jul 30 13:58:42 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:58:42 -0400 Subject: BOC: Short Sets In-Reply-To: <9607292049.AA00631@crux.astr.ua.edu> from "Bryan Irby" at Jul 29, 96 03:49:34 pm Message-ID: Bryan Irby caught me writing the following in my sleep: > > > I've never seen since, like Black Blade). The songs that I most wanted > > to see were Astronomy and Last Days of May - I had to wait until last > > year in North Carolina to see the latter, and I have NEVER seen > > Astronomy. The Vigil is one that I had long ago given up even the > > > > of those songs. Once. Actually, of the last BOC show, the highlights > > for me were Last Days of May (at last!), and Baby Ice Dog, of all Duh. I knew I shouldn't post when I was that tired. I meant "Teen Archer", of course. Baby Ice Dog *is* one of my faves. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jul 30 04:30:53 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:30:53 PDT Subject: OFF: VDGG/Aerosol Grey Machine Message-ID: Christian, >Okay... I don't have too much in the way of tradables.... I do have some >CDs I'd like to get rid of: Fish/Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Oh no, not /that/ one! :-) >Hawkwind (old one-way and EMI ones)/Hawkwind/In Search of >Space/Doremi Fasol Latido/Space Ritual/Hall of The Mountain Grill (Alex >- do you still want these???), Tyrannosaurus Rex/The Complete.... Hmm. >Not too much I think you'd want - but I'm still interested in the vinyl >if we can work something out. I guess you want to get rid of the non-re-mastered HW discs? I /am/ interested in the Doremi CD, however! What did you pay for it (approx)? >Christina (Waaaah!) LOL! ttyl, Jerry From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Jul 30 15:08:50 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:08:50 EST Subject: HW: Cleopatra Space Box 3CD comp Message-ID: Looks like the long-threatened Cleopatra 3-CD box set on Space Rock has finally been released. This has been rumored to contain HW, Porcupine Tree, DarXtar, and other artists. The advert I just saw lists HW, ArchMet, Amon Duul II, Nik Turner, Guru Guru, Gong, F/I, "and more" for the contents. Listed price: US$37.99 at RPM Recs. I'm interested in a complete tracklisting (and price comparisons) from anybody who lays their hands on this critter. I'll be picking up my own copy soon enough, I just want to know whether to rush or crawl to the nearest (web-)store. I have found that prices on certain domestic titles have been on the high side at RPM Recs, compared to other US web-based stores, although RPM often have decent sales on their imports. Anybody spots a really good price on this, I'd like to hear about it. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jul 30 14:16:25 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:16:25 -0400 Subject: BOC/HW ratio Message-ID: >In message <199607301549.LAA09151 at grumpy.magg.net>, "Andrew A. Apold" > writes >>No, ?$?st?rd????ra from the fornax galaxy are somewhat better. >>They're just like Hawkwind, without Doug Smith. > >Problem is, you can only get their stuff on import and at $40,000 a >disc, well..... I know. But I hear we may be able to get some bootleg copies cheaply at the Roswell festival.... IF they are inspired enough by the lineup to show up... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From wildcat at PRYSM.NET Tue Jul 30 09:49:16 1996 From: wildcat at PRYSM.NET (Jonathan M Thompson) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:49:16 +0000 Subject: FAQ? Message-ID: Can someone direct me to where I can get the BOC FAQ? Thanks Jonathan M. Thompson, SCA: Jonathan MacAlpine wildcat at prysm.net Keeper of the Battletech Mailing List - email btech at prysm.net to subsribe "You've got your priorities mixed up darlin', we're training you to be a superhero." - Banshee [Generation X TV Movie] From wildcat at PRYSM.NET Tue Jul 30 09:49:15 1996 From: wildcat at PRYSM.NET (Jonathan M Thompson) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:49:15 +0000 Subject: BOC/HW ratio Message-ID: > What's the ratio of Hawkwind fans, Blue Oyster Cult fans, and fans of > both on this list?? I picked up BOC on a friends recomendation and I was reading a bio of moorock and saw that he did stuff Elric related with Hawkwind and I picked them up. I liked both groups as soon as soon as I heard them. I have most of BOCs released albums ans only 2 of HW (be surprised how hard it is to find here) Later Jonathan M. Thompson, SCA: Jonathan MacAlpine wildcat at prysm.net Keeper of the Battletech Mailing List - email btech at prysm.net to subsribe "You've got your priorities mixed up darlin', we're training you to be a superhero." - Banshee [Generation X TV Movie] From mjf at GRAHAM.COM Tue Jul 30 14:53:18 1996 From: mjf at GRAHAM.COM (Mike Fuller) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:53:18 -0700 Subject: BOC: Short Sets In-Reply-To: <5346915@toto.iv> Message-ID: >>>>> On Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:18:38 -0400, Stephen Swann >>>>> said: Steve> Actually, I would have counted myself lucky to see that short Steve> show with The Vigil. I saw BOC something like 6 or 7 times in Steve> Buffalo, between 1983 and 1994, and they played practically an Steve> identical set every time (actually, not true - the RbN tour Steve> featured some songs that I've never seen since, like Black Steve> Blade). The songs that I most wanted to see were Astronomy and Steve> Last Days of May - I had to wait until last year in North Steve> Carolina to see the latter, and I have NEVER seen Astronomy. BTW, have I mentioned lately that I've seen them do "Last Days of May" six times and "Astronomy" twice? Not to mention, of course, "Veteran of the Psychic Wars"... :-) Steve> Actually, of the last BOC show, the highlights for me were Last Steve> Days of May (at last!), and Baby Ice Dog, of all things! Why Steve> BID, although it's not one of my all-time faves? Because it was Steve> fresh, and not worn thin with thousands of repetitons. The band Steve> seemed to be MUCH more energized when playing it than when they Steve> were playing their 10,000th "Reaper". Actually, I think it was "Teen Archer". -- Mike From irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU Tue Jul 30 16:22:56 1996 From: irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:22:56 -0500 Subject: BOC: Short Sets In-Reply-To: <199607301758.NAA01621@phantom.mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jul 30, 96 01:58:42 pm Message-ID: > > Bryan Irby caught me writing the following in my sleep: > > > > > I've never seen since, like Black Blade). The songs that I most wanted > > > to see were Astronomy and Last Days of May - I had to wait until last > > > year in North Carolina to see the latter, and I have NEVER seen > > > Astronomy. The Vigil is one that I had long ago given up even the > > > > > > of those songs. Once. Actually, of the last BOC show, the highlights > > > for me were Last Days of May (at last!), and Baby Ice Dog, of all > > Duh. I knew I shouldn't post when I was that tired. I meant "Teen > Archer", of course. Baby Ice Dog *is* one of my faves. :-) > > Steve > swann at panix.com > That's better... Makes me feel like I haven't missed as much cool stuff as I really have. I was lucky enough to see a couple of "Teen Archer"s and "I Love the Night"s out in CA in '93. I believe I also caught a rare Black Blade then too (I think Bolle talked them into that one). Did we lose "Harvester of Eyes" & "Career of Evil"? Haven't seen them show up in a long time. -Bryan From ROBOdewd at AOL.COM Tue Jul 30 16:23:27 1996 From: ROBOdewd at AOL.COM (ROBOdewd at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:23:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: I hear the reason that BOC sets have been short of late are due to Eric losing his voice...much of the changes in the set have been attributed to this factor, as all the songs being added are sung by Donald Roeser... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 30 16:28:11 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:28:11 -0400 Subject: FAQ? Message-ID: >Can someone direct me to where I can get the BOC FAQ? Certainly. If you have a web browser, point it to the following URL: ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l/boc_faq-2_1.txt If you have ftp access, you can use your FTP program to connect to: ftp.spc.edu go to the "boc-l" directory -- the latest revision of the FAQ (version 2.1), along with earlier versions can be found there. As a last resort (but almost always works ;-) ), you can e-mail a request to me (jswartz at mitre.org), and, when I have time, I'll send it to you. The current version of the FAQ takes up about 250K of disk space. Version 2.2 is still scheduled to come out later this year - as always, it will be better, and bigger than the current version. John From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Jul 30 18:45:40 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:45:40 -0600 Subject: BOC & Olympics In-Reply-To: <960730162326_588460838@emout18.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Was watching kayaking last weekend during the Olympics and overheard Greg Gumble mention that they were (the boating events) taking place at "beautiful Lake Lanier, just outside of Atlanta". Went back to the Goldmine article and realized that Allen Lanier is in- fact related to the person that the lake was named after. Allen is from Georgia, which I did not know until I read the Goldmine article earlier this summer. Just thought you might want to know. God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Jul 30 18:49:22 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:49:22 -0600 Subject: BOC in New Jersey!! In-Reply-To: <960730162326_588460838@emout18.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: All of you East Coast fans may be interested in hearing that BOC will be at The Birch Hill Night Club in Old Bridge, New Jersey on Friday, Aug 9th. This is somewhat of a "homecoming show" as Buck lives in the general area of Old Bridge/Fair Haven, NJ. Wish I could be there, so have fun!!! God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 30 19:51:12 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:51:12 EST Subject: BOC & Olympics Message-ID: > > Was watching kayaking last weekend during the Olympics and overheard > Greg Gumble mention that they were (the boating events) taking place at > "beautiful Lake Lanier, just outside of Atlanta". > > Went back to the Goldmine article and realized that Allen Lanier is in- > fact related to the person that the lake was named after. > > Allen is from Georgia, which I did not know until I read the Goldmine > article earlier this summer. > > Just thought you might want to know. > > God bless... > > Manuel & > It's hard to envision Allen as a Johnny Reb. Not too rosy cheeked or robust, that lad. Looks like a Yankee for sure. And, well, politically, he's a nightmare for the south... theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 30 19:53:41 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:53:41 EST Subject: BOC in New Jersey!! Message-ID: > > All of you East Coast fans may be interested in hearing that BOC will be > at The Birch Hill Night Club in Old Bridge, New Jersey on Friday, Aug 9th. > > This is somewhat of a "homecoming show" as Buck lives in the general area > of Old Bridge/Fair Haven, NJ. > > Wish I could be there, so have fun!!! > > God bless... > > Manuel & > Me too! Fridays are a bummer for me, 'cause I play on Thurs. nights myself. And Jersey's a bit of a hike for me. Any news of any other northeast gigs would be greatly appreciated! theo From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Jul 30 19:28:16 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:28:16 -0400 Subject: BOC & Olympics Message-ID: >> "beautiful Lake Lanier, just outside of Atlanta". I only found out how "Lanier" was pronounced when I met a girl called (I think it was) Jane Lanier in Spartanburg SC. She was the only other person there who knew what "shag" meant in English :) - Andy From ddean at DCEZ.COM Tue Jul 30 20:05:28 1996 From: ddean at DCEZ.COM (Dan Dean) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 20:05:28 -0400 Subject: BOC & Olympics Message-ID: Was watching kayaking last weekend during the Olympics and overheard >Greg Gumble mention that they were (the boating events) taking place at >"beautiful Lake Lanier, just outside of Atlanta". > > Went back to the Goldmine article and realized that Allen Lanier is in- >fact related to the person that the lake was named after. > > Allen is from Georgia, which I did not know until I read the Goldmine >article earlier this summer. > > Just thought you might want to know. > >God bless... > >Manuel & > >Jean Delacour >University of New Mexico > While watching some of the Olympic swimming action, I had the headphones on listening to, what else, "Perfect Water." It seemed to fit the moment 'perfectly!' Dan Dean Silver Spring, Maryland, USA From ddean at DCEZ.COM Tue Jul 30 20:07:52 1996 From: ddean at DCEZ.COM (Dan Dean) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 20:07:52 -0400 Subject: BOC in New Jersey!! Message-ID: At 04:49 PM 7/30/96 -0600, you wrote: > All of you East Coast fans may be interested in hearing that BOC will be >at The Birch Hill Night Club in Old Bridge, New Jersey on Friday, Aug 9th. > > This is somewhat of a "homecoming show" as Buck lives in the general area >of Old Bridge/Fair Haven, NJ. > > Wish I could be there, so have fun!!! > >God bless... > >Manuel & > >Jean Delacour >University of New Mexico >Parish Library >Alb, NM 87131-1496 >delacour at unm.edu > > Does he live in or near Fair Haven? Bruce Springsteen and Bon Jovi (yes, I know) both live in Rumson, NJ, just a mile or so from Fair Haven... Dan From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Jul 30 22:20:49 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:20:49 -0500 Subject: BOC/HW ratio Message-ID: On 30-JUL-1996 11:10:42.9 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Okay, here I am probably breaking some unwritten code of this list or >something, but here goes: >What's the ratio of Hawkwind fans, Blue Oyster Cult fans, and fans of >both on this list?? >I'm sure this has been established at some point, with everybody >figuring out "what's the damn point?". I'm just curious - I'm not out >to create a useless debate on who's best or anything. Just wondering, >since it seems there is far more Hawkwind related stuff... then again >Hawkwind are very active these days. I'm sure there's loads of BOC fans >who don't have too much to say since BOC seems to have more or less >stopped releasing records or playing large shows. The BOC stuff on this >list tends to be very sporadic, wheras the Hawkwind & family threads can >get massive. >Now another question would be: how many BOC fans have picked up Hawkwind >albums or seen them live because of this list, and how many Hawkwind >fans have done vice versa? Yeah, we did have a poll a while back, which gave age and affiliation of members. I liked BOC first, was always curious about HW; the HW activity on this list definitely inspired me to look into 'em... And Hawkfans here helped me get ahold of Hawkstuff. Now I'm a bigger Hawkfan than I am a Cultophile... Chuck `[1;36;43mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From chrisr at TIAC.NET Wed Jul 31 01:17:50 1996 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:17:50 -0700 Subject: BOC/HW ratio Message-ID: I have been a obsessed with Hawkwind since 1976. The first time I heard Hawkwind I was 15 years old and Do Re Mi was on the turntable, for 18 hours straight. My adoration of everything Hawkwind has not waned one iota. The first time I saw HW was at Jonny D's in September of 1989. I will never forget walking in and seeing other Hawkwind fans. I did not know there were any. I saw HW T-shirts for the first time. I asked a woman wearing a HW T if she had ever seen the band before; and she said she saw them at Stonhenge in 1981. It was like a spiritual experience. I discovered that HW was out on CD that evening. I heard some of my favorite songs of all time performed live that night: Assault and Battery, The Golden Void, Winds of Change. It was a dream come true. So far I have seen the band 15 times. Once in 1989, three times in 1990, six times in 1991 and 5 times in 1995. BOC I really loved a lot from the 1972 - 1976 I really listened to them often. Tyranny and Mutation was and is my favorite. I still bought the albums until the early 80's and lost track of them. A couple of months ago I got on the BOC-l (first time posting) and was reintroduced to to BOC. I had the first two cd's but was enticed to get several more. I would say I am enjoying BOC again; but STILL need HW to live. Sorry to go on so long. Thanks, Chris From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Jul 30 22:35:52 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:35:52 -0400 Subject: BOC & Olympics Message-ID: Andy writes >What's the ratio of Hawkwind fans, Blue Oyster Cult fans, and fans of >both on this list?? Maybe Mr. Moderator can show us a list of people who have unselected the BOC or HW parts? Anyway, I'm here mainly for BOC, but I knew HW before I joined. I re-gained some interest though. If it wasn't for BOC-L, I'd probably not have gone to the Paradiso gig (thus not meeting Bill, Rob and the others, and Bernhard pissed off because no one recorded that gig...) Someone keeping scores of this poll? Jerry From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jul 31 00:52:11 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:52:11 +1100 Subject: OFF: Eloy-news Message-ID: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 07:42:37 +0200 From: "RSTIERKA" To: paul at pcmicro.com.au Subject: Eloy-news ###################### NEWS ######################## - Frank has worked out the theme of the next album and the ideas are growing in his mind! Really, I heard of them! - There are plans to include some Eloy-musicians from the past time for the recording of the new album. - There will be a tour after the release of Ocean-II. - Chronicles-III, the live-album (+ video), will be recorded at this tour. The set of the tour will include some songs of "Power and the passion" and "Dawn"....I will keep you informed about the weeks of the tour, as soon as they are fixed, so that many people from far countries can fly over to see Eloy. - The fanclub will make a convention at that venue, in which the recording of the video will take place. We need a very good audience! - The recording and release of a "The tides return forever"-single-version and a new version of "company of angels" has been stopped. Ocean-II needs all the power! - A new album of the german band "Jane" will be out soon! More news will follow and the homepage at http://www.phil.uni-sb.de/Musik/ProgTeam/Eloy/index.html It will be updated soon. Enjoy your happiness about this news! Eloy-Fanclub: Robin, Volker and Monika. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From uicpc at UICIECHI.IT Wed Jul 31 03:15:17 1996 From: uicpc at UICIECHI.IT (Unione Italiana Ciechi Sezione di PIACENZA) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:15:17 +0200 Subject: HW: Cleopatra Space Box 3CD comp Message-ID: I am very interested in that Cleopatra 3-CD box set on Space Rock! Do you know if there is a possibility to get that fantastic box in Italy? Andrea Trabacchi. uicpc at uiciechi.it From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jul 31 03:21:01 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:21:01 +0200 Subject: OFF: Eloy-news Message-ID: Hmm.. I've always been curios about this band, but have never had the opportunity to actually hear them. From what I understand their late 70's period is considered "space-rock".... which album would be a good place to start for a rabid Hawkwind fan?? Christian From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Jul 31 07:04:40 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:04:40 +0100 Subject: BOC & Olympics In-Reply-To: <960730192815_588608707@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Andy Gilham wrote: > > She was the only other person there who knew what "shag" meant in English :) Searching through some greetings cards the other day, one had the following on it: To some people "shag" means a kind of tobacco. To others it's a type of carpet. But to you it's just a remote possibility! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 31 07:47:25 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:47:25 +0100 Subject: BOC & Olympics In-Reply-To: <960730223552_249255844@emout14.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Jul 30, 96 10:35:52 pm Message-ID: > It's a good thing they didn't pass that internet smut law.. You might be in > trouble. Naw, he wouldn't ... Americans would know that "shag" was obscene! ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 31 08:52:32 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 07:52:32 EST Subject: tonsorial Message-ID: > On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Andy Gilham wrote: > > > > She was the only other person there who knew what "shag" meant in English :) > > Searching through some greetings cards the other day, one had the > following on it: > > To some people "shag" means a kind of tobacco. To others it's a type of > carpet. But to you it's just a remote possibility! Dang! I thought it was a hairstyle! theo From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Wed Jul 31 13:05:33 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:05:33 +-100 Subject: tab Message-ID: Hi, Anyone have, or have access to Hawkwind guitar tab? Preferably numbers from Levitation or Xenon Codex. Mike P From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jul 31 08:08:49 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:08:49 +0200 Subject: OFF:Trepanation?? Message-ID: So what's the excact definition of this word then?? Been dying to know since the posting of its actual origins some days ago involving Roky Erikson (I guess you could sing "Trepanation" to the tune of 13th Floor Elevator's "Levitation" or even the Hawkwind one..). I looked up "Trepanation" in the dictionary and I could find no definition... Christian From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jul 31 08:25:57 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:25:57 -0400 Subject: OFF:Trepanation?? Message-ID: >So what's the excact definition of this word then?? Been dying to know >since the posting of its actual origins some days ago involving Roky >Erikson (I guess you could sing "Trepanation" to the tune of >13th Floor Elevator's "Levitation" or even the Hawkwind one..). I looked >up "Trepanation" in the dictionary and I could find no definition... You weren't here for the last time that made the rounds? I've got my copy still saved, but not at this computer. Somebody do the honors, it needs the full description to do it justice.... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Jul 31 07:25:22 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 07:25:22 -0400 Subject: OFF: Eloy-news In-Reply-To: <31FF095D.3F23@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Jul 31, 96 09:21:01 am Message-ID: Christian sez-- > > Hmm.. I've always been curios about this band, but have never had the > opportunity to actually hear them. From what I understand their late > 70's period is considered "space-rock".... which album would be a good > place to start for a rabid Hawkwind fan?? I think essentially all their output could be classified as "space rock". I would recommend _Metromania_. IMHO, it's their only REALLY GOOD (TM) album, though they certainly have some good monents on their other albums. I have about nine Eloy CDs, and while I'm only blown away by _Metromania_, I like all the others. Guido obCDplayer--Louder than Love by Soundgarden -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 31 08:31:58 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:31:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: Sets Message-ID: Robo sez: >I hear the reason that BOC sets have been short of late are due to Eric losing his voice...much of the changes in the set have been attributed to this factor, as all the songs being added are sung by Donald Roeser... Could be a factor - Bolle recently told me he was concerned that Eric's been having some problems with his voice as of late. That could account for the addition of more Buck-sung tunes. But, I do think that some of the shortness of the sets is also due to the the number of acts on the bill. BOC has played abbreviated sets in the past. Bryan queries: >Did we lose "Harvester of Eyes" & "Career of Evil"? Haven't seen them show up in a long time. HOE was played, I believe, in the summer of '94 when I saw them, but haven't heard of it being used much since. COE has been absent for at least 3 years, I believe. So, the stuff that's been revived from the vaults into the live shows over the past year or so are: Shooting Shark The Vigil Lips In The Hills In Thee The Great Sun Jester (played a few times last summer, but appears to have been dropped) Back in the '91-'93 timeframe, the band also revived the following for a brief time: Career of Evil, Unknown Tongue, and Teen Archer (which still finds its way into the current sets every now and again). At some point, I may try and have an entry in the FAQ that at least in general terms lists BOCs standard sets through the years. Bolle may be doing something similar with his tape-collectors guide, though, so for the time being, I'm holding off (although I've got lots of setlists, and at some point might post to BOC-l). John From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Jul 31 08:36:01 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:36:01 -0400 Subject: OFF:Trepanation?? Message-ID: Chambers dictionary says: --- trepan (tri-pan', noun) an obsolete cylindrical saw for perforating the skull; a tool for boring shafts. (verb transitive) to remove a piece of the skull from (surgery); to cut a cylindrical disc from; to cut an annular groove in. trepanation (trep-uh-nay'-shun) noun. trepann'er noun. trepann'ing noun and adjective. >>French trepan, from Low Latin trepanum, from Greek trypanon, from trypaein to bore --- One for the FAQ? - Andy BTW, Chambers also gives one meaning for "shag" as: a US dance related to the jitterbug but with shuffling footwork, first popular in the 1950s and 60s; and later (verb intransitive) to dance the shag: which is (sadly) what the good ladies of South Carolina meant when they exclaimed "let's shag!" From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 31 08:39:17 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:39:17 +0100 Subject: OFF:Trepanation?? In-Reply-To: <960731083601_249525511@emout14.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jul 31, 96 08:36:01 am Message-ID: > BTW, Chambers also gives one meaning for "shag" as: > a US dance related to the jitterbug but with shuffling footwork, first > popular in the 1950s and 60s; > and later > (verb intransitive) to dance the shag: > > which is (sadly) what the good ladies of South Carolina meant when they > exclaimed "let's shag!" ROTFL!! I think I've absorbed too much British English. I would never have laughed that hard before arriving in the UK (despite knowing the British term!). Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 31 13:47:39 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:47:39 BST Subject: OFF: Eloy-news In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's message of Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:21:01 +0200 Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: > Hmm.. I've always been curios about this band, but have never had the > opportunity to actually hear them. From what I understand their late > 70's period is considered "space-rock".... which album would be a good > place to start for a rabid Hawkwind fan?? Get "Power and the Passion". As far as I'm concerned, that's Eloy's "WoteoT. > Christian FoFP From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jul 31 09:47:50 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:47:50 +0200 Subject: OFF: Eloy/WotEoT Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Get "Power and the Passion". As far as I'm concerned, that's Eloy's "WoteoT. > So on my list it would be something like my 5th favorite.... My favorite HW album is the super sleek and stylish "Quark Strangeness & Charm". Yes, I'm one of those people who doesen't think "Warrior..." is all it's cracked up to be (but there are some great tunes there inbetween Moorcock's shouting and ranting, i.e. Dying Seas, Assault & Battery, Spiral Galaxy 28948). Anybody else share my opinion, or am I like attacking a sacred cow here? Are there any good Eloy compilations? Christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jul 31 09:58:30 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:58:30 +0200 Subject: OFF:Trepanation?? Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > > Chambers dictionary says: > > --- > trepan > (tri-pan', noun) an obsolete cylindrical saw for perforating the skull; a > tool for boring shafts. > (verb transitive) to remove a piece of the skull from (surgery); to cut a > cylindrical disc from; to cut an annular groove in. > trepanation (trep-uh-nay'-shun) noun. > trepann'er noun. > trepann'ing noun and adjective. > > >>French trepan, from Low Latin trepanum, from Greek trypanon, from > trypaein to bore > --- > Weird weird... A friend of mine tried to convince me some years ago that by drilling a hole in the back of your skull, thus relieving pressure on your brain, would create some sort of ultimate high! According to him it was popular in the sixties - I have no clue whether he actually believed this himself (he's kinda crazy) - or was trying to pull my leg. But I could not bring myself to believe this. It must be some kind of urban myth, because this was the excact definition of "Trepanation" he was telling me... I'd forgotten all about this. Bizarre! Who would perform such an operation for entertainment purposes??? Some underground mad scientist? And why in the 60's when drugs must have been great and plentiful? How about "Tripanation".... Christian From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Jul 31 10:05:28 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 00:05:28 +1000 Subject: tab In-Reply-To: <01BB7EE0.F8026060@dhcp-3.tadpole.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Mike Parkington wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone have, or have access to Hawkwind guitar tab? Preferably numbers from Levitation or Xenon Codex. > > Mike P > Hmmmm, Numbers form Lev. or XenCo. Yeah , when they had a real guitarist. (Ducking for cover now.) No offense meant to Brockie of course. I just Love that HLL thing. BTW, More than once I have sought to find a list/discography of HLL solo stuff, and have been unsuccessful..*NOW* is there any one who can help? Troy From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Wed Jul 31 11:11:49 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:11:49 +0000 Subject: OFF:Trepanation?? Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > > Andy Gilham wrote: > > > > --- > > > > Weird weird... A friend of mine tried to convince me some years ago that > by drilling a hole in the back of your skull, thus relieving pressure on > your brain, would create some sort of ultimate high! According to him it > was popular in the sixties - I have no clue whether he actually believed > this himself (he's kinda crazy) - or was trying to pull my leg. But I > could not bring myself to believe this. It must be some kind of urban > myth Its no myth. Some woman called Amanda Feilding did it to herself in the 60's or 70's. She used an electric drill to bore a hole in here forehead. Apparently she videoed the whole experience including the power cut in the middle of the operation. Later she stood for parlament to become an MP but never made the grade. Read more at: http://zikzak.zikzak.net/~thirdeye/article.html Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 31 15:27:39 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:27:39 BST Subject: OFF: Eloy/WotEoT In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's message of Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:47:50 +0200 Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: > M Holmes wrote: > > > > > Get "Power and the Passion". As far as I'm concerned, that's Eloy's "WoteoT. > > > > > So on my list it would be something like my 5th favorite.... My favorite > HW album is the super sleek and stylish "Quark Strangeness & Charm". > Yes, I'm one of those people who doesen't think "Warrior..." is all it's > cracked up to be (but there are some great tunes there inbetween > Moorcock's shouting and ranting, i.e. Dying Seas, Assault & Battery, > Spiral Galaxy 28948). Anybody else share my opinion, or am I like > attacking a sacred cow here? Tunes huh? Try "Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes". > Are there any good Eloy compilations? There was a mid-period compilation but I've forgotten what it was called. There was also one a few years back which was essentially rare Eloy stuff like single b-sides and so on. I *think* there's a late period compilation too. > Christian FoFP From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jul 31 10:46:03 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:46:03 -0400 Subject: HW: HLL solo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Troy Harris wrote: > I just Love that HLL thing. BTW, More than once I have sought to find a > list/discography of HLL solo stuff, and have been unsuccessful..*NOW* is > there any one who can help? Have you looked at the HLL section of the BOC-L HW discography? Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Any Gas Faster_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jul 31 10:54:32 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:54:32 +0200 Subject: OFF:Eloy/WotEoT Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > > M Holmes wrote: > > Tunes huh? Try "Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes". Pieces - sonic tapestries - audio slabs - songs - muzak - melodies - ditties.... uh, I tend to call everything "tunes". Including "You Shouldn't Do That" and "Seeing it as You Really Are", two of the greatest, most mindbending jams since "Interstellar Overdrive"... Are you saying Eloy's SCaME is more "song oriented" like HW's QS&C and less "conceptually structured" as in PatP and HW's WotEoT? Here I am comparing two songs I've never heard by a band I've never heard, trying to decide which one I'd like best. Or am I just thick? Hmm. Heard of the famous blue stone of Galveston by any chance? ChRStN From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Wed Jul 31 16:01:31 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:01:31 +-100 Subject: Ranting sacred cows Message-ID: Not so much a sacred cow, rather a sad old donkey. Mike Moorcock's "rantings" are a constant source of embarrassment. After having told somebody how Hawkwind are the "bogs dollocks" and how you have been into them for years and years etc etc, they eventually succumb and listen to the first Hawkwind album they can lay their eager hands on (Warrior on the Edge). To their amazment they then hear this deranged geezer bleating on about horses weeping blood and whatever else and think that either a. they are the victim of an elaborate practical joke or b. you are clinically insane Either way they avoid you for the rest of time and tell everyone you are a barking mad weirdo. --------------------- So on my list it would be something like my 5th favorite.... My favorite HW album is the super sleek and stylish "Quark Strangeness & Charm". Yes, I'm one of those people who doesen't think "Warrior..." is all it's cracked up to be (but there are some great tunes there inbetween Moorcock's shouting and ranting, i.e. Dying Seas, Assault & Battery, Spiral Galaxy 28948). Anybody else share my opinion, or am I like attacking a sacred cow here? Are there any good Eloy compilations? Christian From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 31 16:04:47 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:04:47 BST Subject: OFF:Eloy/WotEoT In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's message of Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:54:32 +0200 Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: > M Holmes wrote: > > > > > M Holmes wrote: > > > > > Tunes huh? Try "Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes". > > Pieces - sonic tapestries - audio slabs - songs - muzak - melodies - > ditties.... uh, I tend to call everything "tunes". Including "You > Shouldn't Do That" and "Seeing it as You Really Are", two of the > greatest, most mindbending jams since "Interstellar Overdrive"... > > Are you saying Eloy's SCaME is more "song oriented" like HW's QS&C It's more melodic. > and > less "conceptually structured" as in PatP and HW's WotEoT? Yes, it's less of a concept album that PatP, "Ocean" or "Planets" and "Time to Turn" (did they ever produce the third of the trilogy?) > Here I am > comparing two songs I've never heard by a band I've never heard, trying > to decide which one I'd like best. I guess that can be tricky :-) > Or am I just thick? Hmm. Heard of the > famous blue stone of Galveston by any chance? Nope. Do tell... > ChRStN FoFP From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Jul 31 11:13:14 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:13:14 PDT Subject: OFF: Eloy/WotEoT In-Reply-To: <9607311527.aa15955@uk.ac.ed.tattoo>; from "M Holmes" at Jul 31, 96 3:27 pm Message-ID: > > Christian Mumford writes: > > > M Holmes wrote: > > > > > > > > Get "Power and the Passion". As far as I'm concerned, that's Eloy's "WoteoT. IMHO, this is probably the one piece of Eloy music that hasn't aged well. Musically, it's fine, but the lyrics are a little silly... > > > CHOMP!! > > Tunes huh? Try "Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes". Agreed, very Pink Floyd-ish, as are a number of the early-80's CD's (Time To Turn, Planets, Performance). My first introduction to the band and it made a fan outta me! > > > Are there any good Eloy compilations? > > There was a mid-period compilation but I've forgotten what it was > called. There was also one a few years back which was essentially rare > Eloy stuff like single b-sides and so on. I *think* there's a late > period compilation too. > Let me jump in here... There are several Eloy "best of's". Personally, I think that the best two CD's to own for the casual listener are the "Chronicles" releases. What Eloy did was to re-record _faithful_ versions of the early Eloy material, using classic instrumentation (i.e. Mellotrons, Moogs & ARP's), but with today's superior recording technology. From the material on _RA_ on, they didn't re-record it, as it was recorded with modern technology, but re-mixed it for CD. There is an "early years" release that may have gone as late as the "Dawn" release or perhaps "Ocean" (IMHO, the best of the early Eloy), but I haven't purchased it, nor do I intend to. Then there is "Rarieties" which is exactly what it says it is; singles, B-sides, remixes, etc. More suited to the Eloy fan than the first-time listener. Or be like me and buy _everything_! Especially, the last recording _The_ Tides_Return_Forever_; excellent, excellent music! The bass guitarist from the mid-'80's has rejoined the band and makes a great contribution to the overall sound. Everything from tender ballads to ass-kicking rock! I love it! > > Christian > > FoFP > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From mumford at EUNET.NO Wed Jul 31 11:32:16 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:32:16 +0200 Subject: OFF:Very off! Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Christian Mumford writes: > > > Here I am > > comparing two songs I've never heard by a band I've never heard, trying > > to decide which one I'd like best. > > I guess that can be tricky :-) > > > Or am I just thick? Hmm. Heard of the > > famous blue stone of Galveston by any chance? > > Nope. Do tell... > > Well, see if you can find the Black Adder episode "The Queen of Spain's Beard"... Percy finds himself with a similar dilemma of describing something he has never seen being slightly less blue than something else he has never seen... Rather memorable episode! Christian Christian From stayer at PI.NET Wed Jul 31 10:29:39 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 07:29:39 PDT Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: >Steve> Actually, of the last BOC show, the highlights for me were Last >Steve> Days of May (at last!), and Baby Ice Dog, of all things! Why >Steve> BID, although it's not one of my all-time faves? Because it was >Steve> fresh, and not worn thin with thousands of repetitons. Mike> Actually, I think it was "Teen Archer". Phew! With a friend I talked about songs they;ve never done live, and BID was one of them. Now I heard someone say they did BID! I want that tape! :-) Thanks for clearing this up. >Steve> The band >Steve> seemed to be MUCH more energized when playing it than when they >Steve> were playing their 10,000th "Reaper". Hm, I'd like to see a gig where they'd replaced Reaper, Godzilla and Cities with three others. I;ve heard enough versions of those by now... Jerry From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Wed Jul 31 16:36:32 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:36:32 +-100 Subject: OFF:Eloy/WotEoT Message-ID: Apparently the blue stone of Galveston was very blue. I have heard tell that it was as blue as the eyes of a beauitiful Princess and much more appealing than pure green, and potatos, well, that was even more amusing. Mike P ---------- From: M Holmes[SMTP:fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 1996 05:04 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF:Eloy/WotEoT Christian Mumford writes: > M Holmes wrote: > > > > > M Holmes wrote: > > > > > Tunes huh? Try "Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes". > > Pieces - sonic tapestries - audio slabs - songs - muzak - melodies - > ditties.... uh, I tend to call everything "tunes". Including "You > Shouldn't Do That" and "Seeing it as You Really Are", two of the > greatest, most mindbending jams since "Interstellar Overdrive"... > > Are you saying Eloy's SCaME is more "song oriented" like HW's QS&C It's more melodic. > and > less "conceptually structured" as in PatP and HW's WotEoT? Yes, it's less of a concept album that PatP, "Ocean" or "Planets" and "Time to Turn" (did they ever produce the third of the trilogy?) > Here I am > comparing two songs I've never heard by a band I've never heard, trying > to decide which one I'd like best. I guess that can be tricky :-) > Or am I just thick? Hmm. Heard of the > famous blue stone of Galveston by any chance? Nope. Do tell... > ChRStN FoFP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2231 bytes Desc: not available URL: From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 31 12:31:34 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:31:34 EST Subject: cut the crap Message-ID: > Hm, I'd like to see a gig where they'd replaced Reaper, Godzilla and Cities > with three others. I;ve heard enough versions of those by now... > > Jerry Toss in Born to be Wild while you're at it! theo From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Wed Jul 31 16:41:34 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:41:34 U Subject: Born to be wii-i-i-ild Message-ID: >> Hm, I'd like to see a gig where they'd replaced Reaper, Godzilla and Cities >> with three others. I;ve heard enough versions of those by now... >> >> Jerry >Toss in Born to be Wild while you're at it! >theo Nooo! It's been my ambition for a number of years now to put together a tape of cover versions of BtbW by different bands - if anyone knows of any - please drop me a line! (I'm up to about 45 mins at the mo.) Cheers, Rich. ** richard.lockwood at tpd.co.uk ** From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Jul 31 12:07:38 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:07:38 -0400 Subject: OFF:Trepanation?? Message-ID: >So what's the excact definition of this word then?? Been dying to know >since the posting of its actual origins some days ago involving Roky >Erikson (I guess you could sing "Trepanation" to the tune of >13th Floor Elevator's "Levitation" or even the Hawkwind one..). I looked >up "Trepanation" in the dictionary and I could find no definition... > >Christian Well seeing as you asked, hold on to your lunch :-) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 13:23:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Wingert Subject: THE PEOPLE WITH HOLES IN THEIR HEADS Sender: BOCL at spcvxa.spc.edu In honor of The Brain Surgeons new effort, _Trepanation_, I thought I'd forward an article about it. Be forewarned, those of you queasy-types, this is graphic! You will probably experience sympathy pains! OBAside: There actually used to be a mailing list similar to this one, called TREPAN-D, at Brown University! --- Forwarded mail from Linda Branagan This is only for the *truly* sick. I don't suggest reading it immediately before a meal. --Linda --- Forwarded mail from Keith Bostic To: /dev/null at python.bostic.com >>From _Eccentric Lives & Peculiar Notions_ by John Michell. THE PEOPLE WITH HOLES IN THEIR HEADS Amanda Feilding lives in a charming flat looking over London's river with her companion, Joey Mellen, and their infant son, Rock. She is a successful painter, and she and Joey have an art gallery in a fashionable street of the King's Road. Another of her talents is for politics. At the last two General Elections she stood for Parliament in Chelsea, more than doubling her vote on the second occasion from 49 to 139. It does not sound much, but the cause for which she stands is unfamiliar and lacks obvious appeal. Feilding and her voters demand that trepanning operations be made freely available on the National Health. Trepanation means cutting a hole in your skull. The founder of the trepanation movement is a Dutch savant, Dr Bart Hughes. In 1962 he made a discovery which his followers proclaim as the most significant in modern times. One's state and degree of consciousness, he realized, are related to the volume of blood in the brain. According to his theory of evolution, the adoption of an upright stance brought certain benefits to the human race, but it caused the flow of blood through the head to be limited by gravity, thus reducing the range of human consciousness. Certain parts of the brain ceased or reduced their functions while others, particularly those parts relating to speech and reasoning, became emphasized in compensation. One can redress the balance by a number of methods, such as standing on one's head, jumping from a hot bath into a cold one, or the use of drugs; but the wider consciousness thus obtained is only temporary. Bart Hughes shared the common goal of mystics and poets in all ages: he wanted to achieve permanently the higher level of vision, which he associated with an increased volume of blood in the capillaries of the brain. The higher state of mind he sought was that of childhood. Babies are born with skulls unsealed, and it is not until one is an adult that the bony carapace is formed which completely encloses the membranes surrounding the brain and inhibits their pulsations in repsonse to heart-beats. In consequence, the adult loses touch with the dreams, imagination and intense perceptions of the child. His mental balance becomes upset by egoism and neuroses. To cure these problems, first in himself and then for the whole world, Dr Huges returned his cranium to something like the condition of infancy by cutting out a small disc of bone with an electric drill. Experiencing immediate beneficial effects from this operation, he began preaching to anyone who would listen to the doctrine of trepanation. By liberating his brain from its total imprisonment in his skull, he claimed to have restored its pulsations, increased the volume of blood in it and acquired a more complete, satisfying state of consciousness than grown-up people normally enjoy. The medical and legal authorities reacted to Huges's discovery with horror and rewarded him with a spell in a Dutch lunatic asylum. Joseph Mellen met Bart Huges in 1965 in Ibiza and quickly became his leading, or rather one and only, disciple. Years later he wrote a book called _Bore Hole_, the contents of which are summarized in its opening sentence: 'This is the story of how I came to drill a hole in my skull to get permanently high.' . . . (a few paragraphs detail Joseph Mellen's early experiments with LSD, and how he finds out about Bart Huges.) The time came when Joey felt he had preached enough and that he now had to act. He did not agree with Holingshead that the third eye was merely a figure of speech, believing in its physical attainment through self-trepanation. Support for this can be found in archaeology. Skulls of ancient people all over the world give evidence that their owners were skillfully trepanned during their lifetimes, and many of these appear to have been of noble or priestly castes. The medical practice of trepanation was continued up to the present century in treatment of madness, the hole in the skull being seen as a way of relieving pressure on the brain or letting out the devils that possessed it. By his scientific explanation of the reasons for the operation, Bart Huges had removed it from the area of superstition, and Joey Mellen proposed to be the second person to perform it on himself in the interest of enlightenment. Bart had become a close friend of Amanda Feilding, and they went off to Amsterdam together while Joey took care of Amanda's flat. This was the opportunity he had been waiting for to bore a hole in his head. The most gripping passages in _Bore Hole_ describe his various attempts to complete the operation. They are also extremely gruesome, and those who lack medical curiosity would do well to read no further. Yet to those who might contemplate trepanation for and by themselves, Joey's experiences are a salutary warning. It should be empahasized that neither he, Bart nor Amanda has ever recommended people to follow their example by performing their own operations. For years they have been looking for doctors who would understand their theories and would agree to trepan volunteer patients as a form of therapy. Strangely enough, not one member of the medical profession has been converted. In a surgical store Joey found a trepan instrument, a kind of auger or cork- screw designed to be worked by hand. It was much cheaper and, Joey felt, more sensitive than an electric drill. Its main feature was a metal spike, surrounded by a ring of saw-teeth. The spike was meant to be driven into the skull, holding the trepan steady until the revolving saw made a groove, after which it could be retracted. If all went well, the saw-band should remove a disc of bone and expose the brain. Joey's first attempt at self-trepanation was a fiasco. He had no previous medical experience, and the needles he had bought for administering a local anaesthetic to the crown of his head proved to be too thin and crumpled up or broke. Next day he obtained some stouter needles, took a tab of LSD to steady his nerves and set to in earnest. First he made an incision to the bone, and then applied the trepan to his bared skull. But the first part of the operation, driving the spike into the bone, was impossible to accomplish. Joey described it as like trying to uncork a bottle from the inside. He realized he needed help and telephoned Bart in Amsterdam, who promised he would come over and assist at the next operation. This plan was frustrated by the Home Office, which listed Dr Huges as an undesirable visitor to Britain and barred his entry. Amanda agreed to take his place. Soon after her return to London she helped Joey re-open the wound in his head and, by pressing the trepan with all her might against his skull, managed to get the spike to take hold and the saw- teeth to bite. Joey then took over at cranking the saw. Once again he had swallowed some LSD. After a long period of sawing, just as he was about to break through, he suddenly fainted. Amanda called an ambulance and he was taken to hospital, where horrified doctors told him that he was lucky to be alive and that if he had drilled a fraction of an inch further he would have killed himself. The psychiatrists took a particular interest in his case, and a group of them arranged to examine him. Before this could be done, he had to appear in court on a charge of possessing a small amount of cannabis. The magistrate demanded another psychiatrist's report and demanded him for a week in prison. There followed a period of embarrassment as the rumour went round London that Joey Mellen had trepanned himself, whereas in fact he had failed to do so. As soon as possible, therefore, he prepared for a third attempt. Proceeding as before, but now with the benefit of experience, he soon found the groove from the previous operation and began to saw through the sliver of bone separating him from enlightenment or, as the doctors had predicted, instant death. What followed is best quoted from _Bore Hole_. 'After some time there was an ominous sounding schlurp and the sound of bubbling. I drew the trepan out and the gurgling continued. It sounded like air bubbles running under the skull as they were pressed out. I looked at the trepan and there was a bit of bone in it. At last! On closer inspection I saw that the disc of bone was much deeper on one side than on the other. Obviously the trepan had not been straight and had gone through at one point only, then the piece of bone had snapped off and come out. I was reluctant to start drilling again for fear of damaging the brain membranes with the deeper part while I was cutting through the rest or of breaking off a splinter. If only I had an electric drill it would have been so much simpler. Amanda was sure I was through. There seemed no other explanation for the schlurping noises I decided to call it a day. At the time I thought that any hole would do, no matter what size. I bandaged up my head and cleared away the mess.' There was still doubt in his mind as to whether he had really broken through and, if so, whether the hole was big enough to restore pulsation to his brain. The operation had left him with a feeling of wellbeing, but he realized that it could simply be from relief at having ended it. To put the matter beyond doubt, he decided to bore another hole at a new spot just above the hairline, this time using an electric drill. In the spring of 1970, Amanda was in America and Joey did the operation alone. He applied the drill to his forehead, but after half and hour's work the electric cable burnt out. Once again he was frustrated. An engineer in the flat below him was able to repair the instrument and next day he set out to finish the job. 'This time I was not in any doubt. The drill head went at least an inch deep through the hole. A great gush of blood followed my withdrawal of the drill. In the mirror I could see the blood in the hole rising and falling with the pulsation of the brain.' The result was all he had hoped for. During the next four hours he felt his spirits rising higher until he reached a state of freedom and serenity which he claims, has been with him ever since. For some time now he had been sharing a flat with Amanda, and when she came back from America she immediately noticed the change in him. This encouraged her to join him on the mental plane by doing her own trepanation. The operation was carefully recorded. She had obtained a cine-camera, and Joey stood by, filming, as she attacked her head with an electric drill. The film shows her carefully at work, dressed in a blood-spattered white robe. She shaves her head, makes an incision in her head with a scalpel and calmly starts drilling. Blood spurts as she penetrates the skull. She lays aside the drill and with a triumphant smile advances towards Joey and the camera. Ever since, Joey and amanda have lived and worked together in harmony. >>From the business of buying old prints to colour and resell, they have progressed to ownership of the Pigeonhole Gallery and seem reasonably prosperous. They have also started a family. There is nothing apparently abnormal about them, and many of their old friends agree in finding them even more pleasant and contented since their operations. There is plenty of leisure in their lives, mingled with the kind of activities they most enjoy. These of course include talking and writing about trepanation. They have lectured widely in Europe and America to groups of doctors and other interested people, showing the film of Amanda's self-operation, entitled _Heartbeat in the Brain_. It is generally received with awe, the sight of blood often causing people to faint. At one showing in London a film critic described the audience 'dropping off their seats one by one like ripe plums'. Yet it was not designed to be gruesome. The soundtrack is of soothing music, and the surgical scenes alternate with some delightful motion studies of Amanda's pet pigeon, Birdie, as a symbol of peace and wisdom." From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Jul 31 12:21:47 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:21:47 +0100 Subject: OFF:Trepanation?? In-Reply-To: <31FF6686.4168@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > Weird weird... A friend of mine tried to convince me some years ago that > by drilling a hole in the back of your skull, thus relieving pressure on > your brain, would create some sort of ultimate high! According to him it > was popular in the sixties - I have no clue whether he actually believed > this himself (he's kinda crazy) - or was trying to pull my leg. But I > could not bring myself to believe this. A friend of mine once collapsed and hit his head very hard. In hospital the doctors were concerned about the inflamation of his brain inside his skull, so they drilled a hole in his head to drain off some of the cerebrospinal fluid to make more room. Later, a nurse came to check whether this was working. To do this they have to examine the back of your eyeballs, because if the brain is still inflamed it will press against the back of the eyeballs (or something along those lines) -- so you can tell by looking at the blood vessels in the eyeballs. However, to do this the patient has to be sitting upright. My friend was very weak and unable to sit himself up, so the nurse had to lean over and manhandle him upwards, during which time his face was pressed into her breasts. Later, she came back to check again, and once again she had to lift him and his face was pressed into her breasts. Anyways, the nurse returned several times to do the check, and each time his face was pressed into her breasts. Finally, when he was recovered and ready to be discharged from hospital, a bunch of nurses were gathered around the bed and were whispering to each other and giggling. When my friend enquired as to what was so funny, it turned out that each time he had been lifted up in bed it had been a different nurse.... :) Dave From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Jul 31 12:23:44 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:23:44 +0100 Subject: cut the crap In-Reply-To: <31BA93B7149@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 wrote: > > Hm, I'd like to see a gig where they'd replaced Reaper, Godzilla and Cities > > with three others. I;ve heard enough versions of those by now... > > > > Jerry > > Toss in Born to be Wild while you're at it! > theo > They'd better come up with some good stuff for the next album too, cos Harvest Moon and See You In Black are already starting to seem like old numbers! Dave From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 31 12:48:19 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:48:19 +0100 Subject: BOC & Olympics In-Reply-To: <960730223552_249255844@emout14.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In message <960730223552_249255844 at emout14.mail.aol.com>, DFrost8547 at AOL.COM writes >Andy writes in English :) > >So does that mean you had to uh shag together or whatever it is you English >speakers do? On or off a shag rug like us incredibly civilized Americans... >uh do you really want us to know this Andy? >It's a good thing they didn't pass that internet smut law.. You might be in >trouble. >:-) Aren't the rugs more precisely called "shag pile", which is even better! Uh huh, she said "shag"! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 31 12:45:54 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:45:54 +0100 Subject: HW : tab In-Reply-To: <01BB7EE0.F8026060@dhcp-3.tadpole.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <01BB7EE0.F8026060 at dhcp-3.tadpole.co.uk>, Mike Parkington writes >Hi, > >Anyone have, or have access to Hawkwind guitar tab? Preferably numbers from >Levitation or Xenon Codex. > >Mike P Amazing. You read my mind. I was going to ask exactly the same question. However as the list has been so quiet (until 5 mins ago that is!) I was going to wait until people got back from their holidays before suggesting something along the lines of a tab-base like the codex and the lyric file. Incidentally, I have, at the moment, sod-all to contribute in this area, being the world's crappest guitarist. I sing like a dove, however :) -- Jon Browne From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Jul 31 13:32:45 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:32:45 -0400 Subject: cut the crap In-Reply-To: <31BA93B7149@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" at Jul 31, 96 11:31:34 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 writes: > > > Hm, I'd like to see a gig where they'd replaced Reaper, Godzilla and Cities > > with three others. I;ve heard enough versions of those by now... > > > > Jerry > > Toss in Born to be Wild while you're at it! Oddly enough, I don't think I've ever seen that one. Not that I mind. The cover song encore was always the weakest point of any BOC show for me (especially when it was Roadhouse Blues, which I have seen a couple of times). BOC have so many great songs that we never get to hear, the last thing I want is for them to play somebody else's tunes. They'll never drop the Big Three, though. If only because not *everybody* at the show has all their albums, and has seen them umpteen times already... those casual fans expect to hear the songs they know from the radio. Steve swann at panix.com From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Wed Jul 31 13:54:18 1996 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:54:18 -0400 Subject: OFF: Eloy/WotEoT Message-ID: >From: Christian Mumford >Are there any good Eloy compilations? There are three that I'm aware of: _Chronicles I_, _Chronicles II_, and _Early Years_. The Chronicles albums are rerecordings using modern technology, sorta like Kraftwerk's _The Mix_. In a lot of cases, old band members were invited to participate on the songs they originally played on. Those who cry "Foul!" at the idea of recordings are directed to _Early Years_ which is taken from the original recordings. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 31 14:49:09 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:49:09 EST Subject: rotten chestnuts Message-ID: > Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 writes: > > > > > Hm, I'd like to see a gig where they'd replaced Reaper, Godzilla and Cities > > > with three others. I;ve heard enough versions of those by now... > > > > > > Jerry > > > > Toss in Born to be Wild while you're at it! > > Oddly enough, I don't think I've ever seen that one. Not that I mind. > The cover song encore was always the weakest point of any BOC show for > me (especially when it was Roadhouse Blues, which I have seen a couple > of times). BOC have so many great songs that we never get to hear, > the last thing I want is for them to play somebody else's tunes. > Funny, 'cause I haven't seen them in a few years, so I haven't heard any of the 'new' songs (Harvest, See You, etc) that some are already getting sick of! But I'm pretty sure that they've done BtbW every time I've seen them. But, esp. if they're playing short, which seems to be the concensus these past few days, it really does make it too bad if they play covers or the same tired tunes... > They'll never drop the Big Three, though. If only because not > *everybody* at the show has all their albums, and has seen them > umpteen times already... those casual fans expect to hear the songs > they know from the radio. > > Steve > swann at panix.com Sad but true! theo From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Wed Jul 31 14:06:47 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:06:47 EDT Subject: BOC: cut the crap Message-ID: >They'll never drop the Big Three, though. If only because not >*everybody* at the show has all their albums, and has seen them >umpteen times already... those casual fans expect to hear the songs >they know from the radio. Casual fans at these shows? I doubt it. These are the die hards. They (BOC) seem to be afraid to loose the minimal audience they have left if they were to abandon the "hits" from the past. I don't get them at all. Their audience is aging and moving on and they seem to continue to retreat, afraid to test anything new... RR From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 31 15:15:48 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:15:48 EST Subject: BOC: cut the crap Message-ID: > Casual fans at these shows? I doubt it. These are the die hards. > > They (BOC) seem to be afraid to loose the minimal audience they have left if > they were to abandon the "hits" from the past. I don't get them at all. > Their audience is aging and moving on and they seem to continue to > retreat, afraid to test anything new... > > RR Really! 'When you ain't got nothin', you got nothin to lose...' theo From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Wed Jul 31 14:39:30 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:39:30 -0400 Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: I've got a tape where they open the show with BID. Interesting version. They kinda get lost when they're ending the song, then it suddenly comes together and ends. The show's only 60 min. I sent a dub to Bolle. He was DROOLING when he found out I had it. He's been looking for a dub of a show with BID for YEARS!! Apparently, they only did it a few times and dropped because of difficulties with the ending. (Al??? Comments??) If anyone's interested in a dub, send me your tradelist. R. As far as the big 3 go, I'd love to see all of them replaced with other songs. Alas, I fear it won't happen. The fans at the shows expect to hear those 3... From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Wed Jul 31 20:09:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 20:09:00 BST-1 Subject: OFF: Eloy-news Message-ID: Surely "power and the passion" is Eloy's HotMG, and "dawn" is their WotEoT? :) Gordon. From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Wed Jul 31 20:09:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 20:09:00 BST-1 Subject: OFF: Eloy/WotEoT Message-ID: I pretty much share Christian's opinion of WotEoT, though my favourite HW is perhaps Astounding Sounds. As far as compilations go, there's only two straight compilations, a couple of modern re-recording compilations, and the truly fabulous "Live". The latter is worth getting because it has a lot of the good numbers, played by possibly the definitive Eloy line-up (Eloy are possibly only bettered by HW for frequency of line-up changes). My favourite Eloy comes in one swathe across the middle of their career, much as with HW: Power and the Passion, Dawn, Ocean, Live, Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes, Colours. They carried on being good, then after '84's Metromania went quiet before some poor recent stuff starting in '88. To be fair, the most recent stuff is rather good again, and the forthcoming Ocean II promises to be a belter given their "new" Bassist. :) Gordon. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 31 15:31:08 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:31:08 -0400 Subject: BOC: Covers and The Big 3 Message-ID: A few comments on the recent BOC threads regarding set choices... 1. I agree that I could do without hearing "Don't Fear Godzilla Burnin' the Reaper For You" at every BOC show, but I also doubt it's going to happen - and that probably goes for "Cities on Flame" as well. However, judging from crowd reaction over the past 3 BOC shows I've been at, these songs are still the ones that get the biggest crowd response. I'd even have to admit, as what I would call a "diehard" fan, that "Godzilla" and "Cities" get ME as pumped as anything in the set - I mean, despite hearing it time and time again, I just can't help singing along to the chorus of "Godzilla" or shouting out "With Rock and Roll!" during "Cities" - and I agree that these songs are overplayed! 2. One thing that might spice up the sets if these songs have to be in the set is to spread them out over the set - I mean, BOC has been ending their shows with "Burnin' For You", followed by "Godzilla", followed by "Reaper" for over 10 years now. I think for awhile they were even doing "Cities on Flame" right before the big 3! They need to break up this ordering - and maybe changing the arrangement of the songs themselves (we've talked in the past about and acoustic "Reaper"...) 3. I wouldn't mind hearing "Born to Be Wild" - other than occassionally, BOC haven't had this in the set for 10 years, so I don't think it would come off bad at all. Actually, as far as covers go, I think BOC does some great covers - last year I got to see them do "Slow Down" and it was a real kick. Sure, the band has plenty of material to draw upon to replace a cover, but a good band doing a good song is always great to hear. 4. Someone said that "Harvest Moon" and "See You In Black" are starting to sound old -- well, HM has been done for about 4 years or so now with some fair regularity (the song itself is closer to 10 years old, I do believe), but SYIB has only been around for about a year and a half. Perhaps since it's about the only new BOC material we've had to talk about, it seems old? Bolle tells me that SYIB is being "rested" by the band for awhile these days, along with all other new tunes except HM, presumably in anticipation of the long-awaited release? 5. The biggest problem I see is that the setlist problem really goes way beyond the "big 3" - this band has kept it's setlists pretty static since the seventies, and it has gotten to the point that in the nineties I can go to a BOC show and predict the setlist down to the songs and order, and be off by only a song or two - and all I have to do is list the setlist from the previous year, and make 1 or 2 song changes. Never mind the fact that Burnin/Godzilla/Reaper (and Cities) have all been in the set since they were released on a BOC record -- look at songs like "Stairway to the Stars", "E.T.I.", "Before the Kiss", "Take Me Away", "Flaming Telepaths", "ME-262", "Dominance and Submission", "The Red and the Black", and (dare I say it?) "Buck's Boogie". These songs have been beaten to death by BOC, and while I love them all (and will enjoy them every time I hear BOC play them), we all know that there is so much MORE to BOC than these set standards. It has nothing to do with "taking a chance" - BOC can easily keep the big 3 in their sets. They have plenty of other songs that could just as easily be "rested" from the set to make way for either a new song or something old and obscure from the catalog. I'm rambling again . . . John PS (and off-topic): Goin' to see KISS tonight in Boston - a brief review will be posted by the end of the week (under OFF:). From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 31 15:34:03 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:34:03 -0400 Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: >I've got a tape where they open the show with BID. So, was this back around '73 or '74? >Apparently, they only did it a few times and dropped because of difficulties with the ending. The Brain Surgeons handle it pretty well...er, most of the time ;-) John From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Jul 31 20:34:39 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 20:34:39 BST Subject: Born to be wii-i-i-ild In-Reply-To: Richard Lockwood's message of Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:41:34 U Message-ID: > Nooo! It's been my ambition for a number of years now to put together a = > tape of cover versions of BtbW by different bands - Have you got the one by the Ukelele Orchestra of Great Britain? It's totally excellent! Dave. From kenneth.drew.3 at ND.EDU Wed Jul 31 16:10:45 1996 From: kenneth.drew.3 at ND.EDU (Ken Drew) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:10:45 -0500 Subject: BOC sets Message-ID: > >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:31:58 -0400 >From: John A Swartz >Subject: BOC: Sets > >So, the stuff that's been revived from the vaults into the live shows over >the past year or so are: > >Shooting Shark >The Vigil >Lips In The Hills >In Thee >The Great Sun Jester (played a few times last summer, but appears to have >been dropped) > >Back in the '91-'93 timeframe, the band also revived the following for >a brief time: Career of Evil, Unknown Tongue, and Teen Archer (which >still finds its way into the current sets every now and again). > >At some point, I may try and have an entry in the FAQ that at least in >general terms lists BOCs standard sets through the years. Bolle may be >doing something similar with his tape-collectors guide, though, so for >the time being, I'm holding off (although I've got lots of setlists, >and at some point might post to BOC-l). I have been lucky enough to catch BOC on the Cult. Erectus tour as well as Mirrors tour so I have all of the above (except for Shooting Shark) live and in person. Tapes make up for Shooting Shark. My question: During the Mirrors tour, BOC played a cover of Deep Purple's "Highway Star" which rocked. I have yet to see this ever mentioned or even show up on tapes. Anyone out there also recall hearing this in concert? KEN (kdrew at nd.edu) ----------------------------------------------------------- *Webb Wilder : http://www.nd.edu/~kdrew/ * *The Beat Farmers : WWW page at: * *http://www.ucsd.edu/sdam/artists/bf/ * *Check them out today * ----------------------------------------------------------- From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Jul 31 16:37:31 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:37:31 -0400 Subject: BOC: cut the crap In-Reply-To: <31E663811F6@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" at Jul 31, 96 02:15:48 pm Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 writes: > > > Casual fans at these shows? I doubt it. These are the die hards. > > > > They (BOC) seem to be afraid to loose the minimal audience they have left if > > they were to abandon the "hits" from the past. I don't get them at all. > > Their audience is aging and moving on and they seem to continue to > > retreat, afraid to test anything new... > > > > RR > > Really! 'When you ain't got nothin', you got nothin to lose...' > theo I doubt that they're actually washed up creatively. I have a feeling it's more like they're just mummified by the necessity of conforming to the "BOC sound". I'd like to hear whatever it is that Buck has had brewing for the past several years (but that has never gotten out because it "isn't BOCish enough"). The man is a brilliant musician, I don't for a minute believe that he's over the hill - he's just... stifled. Personally, I think he should do some gigs with tBS to loosen up those musical tendons. And then go form the guitar pop band of his dreams, and give us some new Don Roeser tunes. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jul 31 16:45:34 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:45:34 -0400 Subject: BOC: Covers and The Big 3 Message-ID: >they were released on a BOC record -- look at songs like "Stairway to the >Stars", "E.T.I.", "Before the Kiss", "Take Me Away", "Flaming Telepaths", >"ME-262", "Dominance and Submission", "The Red and the Black", and (dare >I say it?) "Buck's Boogie". These songs have been beaten to death by >BOC, and while I love them all (and will enjoy them every time I hear BOC As long as we are compiling a BOCBase, it'd be easy to do a quick tally of times each song has been played in known setlists... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 31 17:49:08 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:49:08 EST Subject: BOC: cut the crap Message-ID: > Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 writes: > > > > > Casual fans at these shows? I doubt it. These are the die hards. > > > > > > They (BOC) seem to be afraid to loose the minimal audience they have left if > > > they were to abandon the "hits" from the past. I don't get them at all. > > > Their audience is aging and moving on and they seem to continue to > > > retreat, afraid to test anything new... > > > > > > RR > > > > Really! 'When you ain't got nothin', you got nothin to lose...' > > theo > > I doubt that they're actually washed up creatively. I have a feeling > it's more like they're just mummified by the necessity of conforming > to the "BOC sound". > Totally agree. I just wish they'd have faith in us true diehard fans who would welcome variety in the setlist. I think there's plenty left in BOC, but they're caught in some bizzare paralysis that keeps them traveling the same path. Maybe they need new management? > I'd like to hear whatever it is that Buck has had brewing for the past > several years (but that has never gotten out because it "isn't BOCish Second that motion. Even BD's mellow shit is better than anyone else's rock. > enough"). The man is a brilliant musician, I don't for a minute > believe that he's over the hill - he's just... stifled. > Right both times. Again, let the fans decide. Play all your experimental stuff, resurrect some old tunes, and put in some new stuff. I go to hear BD's guitar playing, not necessarily the songs themselves. I'd LOVE to hear him just wailing and jamming out on stuff he likes to play. If the fans can't handle it, well, then go out in a blaze [a la Golden Age] rather than dying the death of a thousand cuts... > Personally, I think he should do some gigs with tBS to loosen up those > musical tendons. And then go form the guitar pop band of his dreams, > and give us some new Don Roeser tunes. ;-) > > Steve > swann at panix.com I like tBS just fine, but my all-time dream would be for the original band to re-form. I really think Al's departure was BOC's equivalent to killing the albatross. He was a creative force, a great drummer, and their good-luck charm. After he left, they went downhill. Ah, but why waste time dreaming over what can never be? theo From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Jul 31 17:10:22 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 22:10:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: Eloy-news In-Reply-To: <9607311125.AA15055@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: Reply to Guido Vacano about Re: OFF: Eloy-news >I think essentially all their output could be classified as "space rock". >I would recommend _Metromania_. IMHO, it's their only REALLY GOOD (TM) >album, though they certainly have some good monents on their other >albums. I have about nine Eloy CDs, and while I'm only blown away by >_Metromania_, I like all the others. >Guido >obCDplayer--Louder than Love by Soundgarden >-- >If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse Well there you go, I was never that keen on that one personally, I'll give it another listen. This album, with Planets and Time to turn were a lot more structured then the earlier material i thought. shorter, more straight forward songs, not that that is nessisarly a bad thing. I've not heard anything since 'Ra'. Is the more recent stuff any good/worth getting? I know they have released a couple of cd's with re-recordings of older stuff. Are they worth while? Is there a full Eloy discography anywhere, or a home page? Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From ROBOdewd at AOL.COM Wed Jul 31 17:23:11 1996 From: ROBOdewd at AOL.COM (ROBOdewd at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:23:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: Covers and The Big 3 Message-ID: In a message dated 96-07-31 15:34:18 EDT, you write: << A few comments on the recent BOC threads regarding set choices... 1. I agree that I could do without hearing "Don't Fear Godzilla Burnin' the Reaper For You" at every BOC show, but I also doubt it's going to happen - and that probably goes for "Cities on Flame" as well. However, judging from crowd reaction over the past 3 BOC shows I've been at, these songs are still the ones that get the biggest crowd response. I'd even have to admit, as what I would call a "diehard" fan, that "Godzilla" and "Cities" get ME as pumped as anything in the set - I mean, despite hearing it time and time again, I just can't help singing along to the chorus of "Godzilla" or shouting out "With Rock and Roll!" during "Cities" - and I agree that these songs are overplayed! I personally find myself headed to the bar...gettin' me a cold one and scopin out the babes...preferrably the ones that have more than 3 teeth... 2. One thing that might spice up the sets if these songs have to be in the set is to spread them out over the set - I mean, BOC has been ending their shows with "Burnin' For You", followed by "Godzilla", followed by "Reaper" for over 10 years now. I think for awhile they were even doing "Cities on Flame" right before the big 3! They need to break up this ordering - and maybe changing the arrangement of the songs themselves (we've talked in the past about and acoustic "Reaper"...) absolutely! how 'bout an acoustic Reaper, Burnin' For You segues into Still Burnin and an armpit noise rendition of Godzilla performed by Eric Bloom with Buck Dharma on the harpsichord...hell, I'd find that version of Zilla more entertaining and worth the price of admission alone! and lastley, with BOC's vast catalogue, why cling to the same mold over and over again? break out Redeemed or the Subhuman or Tenderloin... ROBO I'm On the Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep!!!! From ROBOdewd at AOL.COM Wed Jul 31 17:23:25 1996 From: ROBOdewd at AOL.COM (ROBOdewd at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:23:25 -0400 Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: In a message dated 96-07-31 14:42:48 EDT, you write: << I sent a dub to Bolle. He was DROOLING when he found out I had it. He's been looking for a dub of a show with BID for YEARS!! Apparently, they only did it a few times and dropped because of difficulties with the ending. (Al??? Comments??) did they have problems getting Allen to howl at the end of the song????? speaking of which, does the FAQ credit the woman that HOWLS on Feet/Knees introducing BOC b4 Born 2B wild?? If anyone's interested in a dub, send me your tradelist. R. As far as the big 3 go, I'd love to see all of them replaced with other songs. Alas, I fear it won't happen. The fans at the shows expect to hear those 3... >> yeah, I know....if they wanna hear them 3, tell 'em to buy ETL! ROBO From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 31 18:36:59 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:36:59 EST Subject: BOC: Covers and The Big 3 Message-ID: > 1. I agree that I could do without hearing "Don't Fear Godzilla Burnin' > the Reaper For You" at every BOC show, but I also doubt it's going to > happen - and that probably goes for "Cities on Flame" as well. However, > judging from crowd reaction over the past 3 BOC shows I've been at, these > songs are still the ones that get the biggest crowd response. I'd even > have to admit, as what I would call a "diehard" fan, that "Godzilla" and > "Cities" get ME as pumped as anything in the set - I mean, despite hearing > it time and time again, I just can't help singing along to the chorus of > "Godzilla" or shouting out "With Rock and Roll!" during "Cities" - and I > agree that these songs are overplayed! > > I personally find myself headed to the bar...gettin' me a cold one and scopin > out the babes...preferrably the ones that have more than 3 teeth... > Robo, Might be a long and fruitless search at a BOC gig. Any women at all are rare, and those with acceptable dentition/fewer than 4 tattoos, etc... > > and lastley, with BOC's vast catalogue, why cling to the same mold over and > over again? break out Redeemed or the Subhuman or Tenderloin... > > ROBO I'm On the Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep!!!! > Hey, robo, you ever figure out how to play that one? theo From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Jul 31 17:52:54 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:52:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: Covers and The Big 3 In-Reply-To: <960731172306_168820978@emout17.mail.aol.com> from "ROBOdewd@AOL.COM" at Jul 31, 96 05:23:11 pm Message-ID: ROBOdewd at AOL.COM writes: > > 2. One thing that might spice up the sets if these songs have to be in the > set is to spread them out over the set - I mean, BOC has been ending their > shows with "Burnin' For You", followed by "Godzilla", followed by "Reaper" > for over 10 years now. I think for awhile they were even doing "Cities on > Flame" right before the big 3! They need to break up this ordering - and > maybe changing the arrangement of the songs themselves (we've talked in the > past about and acoustic "Reaper"...) > > > absolutely! how 'bout an acoustic Reaper, Burnin' For You segues into Still > Burnin and an armpit noise rendition of Godzilla performed by Eric Bloom with > Buck Dharma on the harpsichord...hell, I'd find that version of Zilla more ROTFL! I was just listening to Spike Jones' "Der Fuhrer's Face" (basically a bit of wartime musical comedy propaganda, of how one should present Hitler with the ghost of your double burrito) last night, so this seems doubly hysterical to me today. Steve swann at panix.com From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Jul 31 17:54:47 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:54:47 -0400 Subject: Web Page In-Reply-To: <01I7NOCQEU2U3FM6NG@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> Message-ID: In <01I7NOCQEU2U3FM6NG at MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>, on 07/29/96 at 07:55 PM, "Scott Heller (617) 724-7762" said: > There is a new web page that has some psychedelic music info and > links. > www.lsd25.com Nice name. Hmm, maybe that's what the last issue of Wired was talking about when they had lsd-25 in the wired side. :{} -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Wed Jul 31 18:04:11 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:04:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: The show with Baby Ice Dog as an opener is from Rochester, NY. 02/11/75. Ric From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jul 31 18:06:53 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:06:53 -0600 Subject: BOC & Olympics In-Reply-To: <30AFC5A0891@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 wrote: > > > > Was watching kayaking last weekend during the Olympics and overheard > > Greg Gumble mention that they were (the boating events) taking place at > > "beautiful Lake Lanier, just outside of Atlanta". > > > > Went back to the Goldmine article and realized that Allen Lanier is in- > > fact related to the person that the lake was named after. > > > > Allen is from Georgia, which I did not know until I read the Goldmine > > article earlier this summer. > > > > Just thought you might want to know. > > > > God bless... > > > > Manuel & > > > It's hard to envision Allen as a Johnny Reb. Not too rosy cheeked or > robust, that lad. Looks like a Yankee for sure. And, well, > politically, he's a nightmare for the south... > theo > Why is he a political nightmare to the South? Are Allen's political views pretty liberal? Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jul 31 18:11:35 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:11:35 -0600 Subject: BOC in New Jersey!! In-Reply-To: <30B07056D18@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 wrote: > > > > All of you East Coast fans may be interested in hearing that BOC will be > > at The Birch Hill Night Club in Old Bridge, New Jersey on Friday, Aug 9th. > > > > This is somewhat of a "homecoming show" as Buck lives in the general area > > of Old Bridge/Fair Haven, NJ. > > > > Wish I could be there, so have fun!!! > > > > God bless... > > > > Manuel & > > > Me too! Fridays are a bummer for me, 'cause I play on Thurs. nights > myself. And Jersey's a bit of a hike for me. Any news of any other > northeast gigs would be greatly appreciated! > theo > Where is it that you live? Was it Upstate NY? Hey, out here in Albq, the next closest major city is 7 hrs away; Phoenix or Denver. Is Old Bridge like a suburb of NYC/Newark or something? Is it pretty high class? Being from the southwest, I could never really understand all of those New Jersey jokes. God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jul 31 18:12:24 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:12:24 -0600 Subject: BOC & Olympics In-Reply-To: <960730192815_588608707@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Andy Gilham wrote: > >> "beautiful Lake Lanier, just outside of Atlanta". > > > I only found out how "Lanier" was pronounced when I met a girl called (I > think it was) Jane Lanier in Spartanburg SC. > > She was the only other person there who knew what "shag" meant in English :) > > - Andy > So, what does "shag" mean??????????????? Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jul 31 18:13:38 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:13:38 -0600 Subject: BOC & Olympics In-Reply-To: <199607310005.UAA19211@dcez.nicom.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Dan Dean wrote: > Was watching kayaking last weekend during the Olympics and overheard > >Greg Gumble mention that they were (the boating events) taking place at > >"beautiful Lake Lanier, just outside of Atlanta". > > > > Went back to the Goldmine article and realized that Allen Lanier is in- > >fact related to the person that the lake was named after. > > > > Allen is from Georgia, which I did not know until I read the Goldmine > >article earlier this summer. > > > > Just thought you might want to know. > > > >God bless... > > > >Manuel & > > > >Jean Delacour > >University of New Mexico > > > > While watching some of the Olympic swimming action, I had the headphones on > listening to, what else, "Perfect Water." It seemed to fit the moment > 'perfectly!' > > Dan Dean > Silver Spring, Maryland, USA > Sounds perfect to me as well. Will you be attending the Merriweather Pavillion show? Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 31 19:07:56 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:07:56 EST Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: > The show with Baby Ice Dog as an opener is from Rochester, NY. 02/11/75. > > Ric Hmmm. I'm virtually positive I caught at least one show on that tour, and never got to hear it. I'm doubly bummed! theo From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Jul 31 18:37:21 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:37:21 -0400 Subject: OFF: Eloy/WotEoT Message-ID: > >So on my list it would be something like my 5th favorite.... My favorite >HW album is the super sleek and stylish "Quark Strangeness & Charm". >Yes, I'm one of those people who doesen't think "Warrior..." is all it's >cracked up to be (but there are some great tunes there inbetween >Moorcock's shouting and ranting, i.e. Dying Seas, Assault & Battery, >Spiral Galaxy 28948). Anybody else share my opinion, or am I like >attacking a sacred cow here? > I agree about Q,S,aC being better. I just recently heard it for the first time about 2 weeks ago. WotEoT is good also, but I could do without Dying Seas, and it doesn't really need 2 versions of the spoken Warriors deal. I also think there are better versions of Motorhead around, and I like the instrumental Kings of Speed on the Hawkwind Zoo much better. It's kinda like comparing a good red wine to a good white wine. Both could be considered excellent in their own right, and they are both wines, but each has it's own characteristics that are very different. It seems that when it comes down to picking a favorite HW cd, it always seems to end up being the "latest" one I bought. Duane From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 31 19:31:53 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:31:53 EST Subject: BOC & Olympics Message-ID: > > > > > It's hard to envision Allen as a Johnny Reb. Not too rosy cheeked or > > robust, that lad. Looks like a Yankee for sure. And, well, > > politically, he's a nightmare for the south... > > theo > > > > Why is he a political nightmare to the South? Are Allen's political views > pretty liberal? > > Manuel & > I was thinking just 'cause he played in a crazy Yankee rock band with Satanic references and all! But I imagine he is on the left side of the aisle. Also, he looks like a Yankee drug abuser, long hair type. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 31 19:33:49 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:33:49 EST Subject: BOC in New Jersey!! Message-ID: > > myself. And Jersey's a bit of a hike for me. Any news of any other > > northeast gigs would be greatly appreciated! > > theo > > > > Where is it that you live? Was it Upstate NY? Hey, out here in Albq, the > next closest major city is 7 hrs away; Phoenix or Denver. > Yeah, I live in Syracuse. 5 hours hard ride from NYC area. > Is Old Bridge like a suburb of NYC/Newark or something? Is it pretty high > class? Being from the southwest, I could never really understand all of > those New Jersey jokes. > > God bless... > > Manuel & > Don't know where it is. But really, all of Jersey IS a joke! theo From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Wed Jul 31 18:51:46 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:51:46 -0500 Subject: BOC & Olympics In-Reply-To: from "jean l delacour" at Jul 31, 96 04:06:53 pm Message-ID: > > It's hard to envision Allen as a Johnny Reb. Not too rosy cheeked or > > robust, that lad. Looks like a Yankee for sure. And, well, > > politically, he's a nightmare for the south... > > theo > > > > Why is he a political nightmare to the South? Are Allen's political views > pretty liberal? And speaking as a "Johnny Reb", be careful whom you stereotype as non- liberal. I was born in NC and have lived below the Mason-Dixon line most of my life, and all of my family and most of the southern people I've ever met have been quite liberal. I usually don't take offense at the stereotypes, but I think it's kind of sad the way that one has been perpetuated, especially since I've encountered that kind of provincial stereotype and more open conservatism in other parts of the country, particularly California. Of course, despite all that, I still can't explain how Jesse Helms has managed to stay in office for so damn long without admitting there's obviously some large, unpleasant portion of the NC population who want him there. But I think that's changing. Sorry for the off-topic. -Bryan From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Jul 31 18:59:49 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:59:49 -0400 Subject: OFF: was Re: BOC & Olympics Message-ID: Manuel asked >So, what does "shag" mean??????????????? Well, if you insist, the relevant dictionary definition is (verb transitive and verb intransitive) to have sexual intercourse (with) (vulgar slang). You did ask! :) Jane Lanier did know this, having spent a year in London, and so obviously we giggled like schoolkids. I never did get to ask if she was related to Allen. Probably seemed like too great a credibility drop at the time. And we didn't even dance... - Andy ObCD: Amon Duul - _Paradieswarts Duul_. "Once I got a hang-up on the time machine..." PS: aren't dictionaries great! Viz: oral hygiene and oral hygienist: the same as, respectively, dental hygiene and dental hygienist. That explains everything! From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Wed Jul 31 19:08:40 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:08:40 -0500 Subject: BOC & Olympics In-Reply-To: <322AADF4016@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" at Jul 31, 96 06:31:53 pm Message-ID: > > > > Why is he a political nightmare to the South? Are Allen's political views > > pretty liberal? > > > > Manuel & > > > I was thinking just 'cause he played in a crazy Yankee rock band > with Satanic references and all! But I imagine he is on the left > side of the aisle. Also, he looks like a Yankee drug abuser, long > hair type. > Ah, yes, but most of the (southern) rednecks I've known in my life were devout fans of heavy metal, long hair, and lots and lots and lots of drugs. In fact, a lot of the people I knew in high school near Charlotte were very big into the Grateful Dead, BOC, and Iron Maiden all at the same time. At first that seemed contradictory to me, but they were actually quicker to broaden and liberalize their music horizons than I was. It was the parents and high school principals who were scared of people like BOC. In fact, my brother and his friends were once taken to the principals office and confronted by the local police who accused them of conducting satanic rituals because they wore black BOC (and the like) tshirts and had long hair etc. My brother and his friends laughed, and said "Sure, we sacrifice goats every friday night out on [Goat Island] on Lake Norman". We never checked, but I imagine the cops and the local baptist church leaders were staked out on the island that friday night, hoping to score a big victory for the righteous... Here's hoping that generation is slowly dispersing from positions of power. -Bryan From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 31 20:15:11 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:15:11 EST Subject: BOC & Olympics Message-ID: > > > It's hard to envision Allen as a Johnny Reb. Not too rosy cheeked or > > > robust, that lad. Looks like a Yankee for sure. And, well, > > > politically, he's a nightmare for the south... > > > theo > > > > > > > Why is he a political nightmare to the South? Are Allen's political views > > pretty liberal? > > > And speaking as a "Johnny Reb", be careful whom you stereotype as non- > liberal. I was born in NC and have lived below the Mason-Dixon line most Bryan! No offense intended. I wouldn't have used the rebel reference if I hadn't followed it with 'Yankee.' > of my life, and all of my family and most of the southern people I've > ever met have been quite liberal. I usually don't take offense at the > stereotypes, but I think it's kind of sad the way that one has been > perpetuated, especially since I've encountered that kind of provincial > stereotype and more open conservatism in other parts of the country, > particularly California. > Hell, there's plenty of Limbaugh fans up here, for sure. No one part of the country has a lock on conservatism. BTW, Bryan, I love visiting the south. Just got back from Florida, which I know has a lot of transplanted Yankees, and everyone was great there. Loved it. My ex-boss is from Tennesee, and we got along great [though she's as conservative politically as you can get, sorry!] > Of course, despite all that, I still can't explain how Jesse Helms has My boss [see above] used to babysit his kids! I swear! And house sit for him. Her old man was in the service, and they were stationed in Jesse's neck of the woods. They were neighbors, can ya believe it? > managed to stay in office for so damn long without admitting there's > obviously some large, unpleasant portion of the NC population who want > him there. But I think that's changing. > Hey, we supposedly politically knowledgeable Yankees voted out a decent, patrician, eloquent liberal like Mario Cuomo for a mean- spirited dirtbag like George Pataki, so think nothing of it! > Sorry for the off-topic. > > -Bryan Sorry for pissing you off! Too heavy-handed in my humor that time. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 31 20:22:20 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:22:20 EST Subject: BOC & Olympics Message-ID: > > > > > > Why is he a political nightmare to the South? Are Allen's political views > > > pretty liberal? > > > > > > Manuel & > > > > > I was thinking just 'cause he played in a crazy Yankee rock band > > with Satanic references and all! But I imagine he is on the left > > side of the aisle. Also, he looks like a Yankee drug abuser, long > > hair type. > > > > > Ah, yes, but most of the (southern) rednecks I've known in my life were devout > fans of heavy metal, long hair, and lots and lots and lots of drugs. > > In fact, a lot of the people I knew in high school near Charlotte were > very big into the Grateful Dead, BOC, and Iron Maiden all at the same time. > At first that seemed contradictory to me, but they were actually quicker > to broaden and liberalize their music horizons than I was. > Right! BOC, and a lot of other heavy bands actually had their first big successes in the south and midwest, far from the liberal northeast. It's safe to assume that the kids found the oppression of the older generation and their false morality just the thing to rebel [ouch] against, and heavy rock provided the sound they needed... > It was the parents and high school principals who were scared of people > like BOC. In fact, my brother and his friends were once taken to the > principals office and confronted by the local police who accused them > of conducting satanic rituals because they wore black BOC (and the like) > tshirts and had long hair etc. My brother and his friends laughed, and > said "Sure, we sacrifice goats every friday night out on [Goat Island] on > Lake Norman". We never checked, but I imagine the cops and the local > baptist church leaders were staked out on the island that friday night, > hoping to score a big victory for the righteous... > > Here's hoping that generation is slowly dispersing from positions of power. > > -Bryan And, there were plenty of southern rockers who were longhairs [Allmans, Skynyrd] and became heroes throughour the south. Even Jimmy Carter liked the Allmans, though that became a political liability for him... theo From irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU Wed Jul 31 20:22:51 1996 From: irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:22:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: BOC & Olympics, now Jesse Helms In-Reply-To: <32363A4715A@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" at Jul 31, 96 07:15:11 pm Message-ID: > > > Why is he a political nightmare to the South? Are Allen's political views > > > pretty liberal? > > > > > > And speaking as a "Johnny Reb", be careful whom you stereotype as non- > > liberal. I was born in NC and have lived below the Mason-Dixon line most > > > Of course, despite all that, I still can't explain how Jesse Helms has > > My boss [see above] used to babysit his kids! I swear! And house > sit for him. Her old man was in the service, and they were stationed > in Jesse's neck of the woods. They were neighbors, can ya believe it? > > Sorry for pissing you off! Too heavy-handed in my humor that time. > Didn't mean to hurt your feelings. > theo For the record, this neither hurt my feelings nor pissed me off. Didn't mean to come across that way. I don't get offended by language, and don't buy into this PC bizness, so really, it's not an issue. I guess I just felt like defending the south for some reason, though I probably have no more personal allegiance to southern people than I do to the astronomical community, for instance. As for Jesse Helms, well, my old roommates in Chapel Hill and I came very close to mailing him, COD, an old toilet that was removed from our house, perhaps filled with something unpleasant to show him our support of the "preverted arts"... It's what Frank Zappa would have wanted us to do, isn't it...? -Bryan From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Jul 31 22:41:07 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:41:07 +1000 Subject: Born to be wii-i-i-ild Message-ID: If I ever get to see them :( and if they want to do BtbW at all, I'd hope it was the B-side version that re-surfaced on WotT. Something different, and strange as it may seem, I really like it. No, really, I do. And wouldn't it throw the crowd. A quick Web search on BtbW reveals that, among others, covers have been done live (didn't mention recorded) by Kansas, and recorded by The Cult (that's Cult, not Blue Oyster...). Some guy called Stephen Wolf did one too. Hmm, some people, I dunno :-I Check out http://www.students.eng.wayne.edu/~mmc1/music.html if you don't believe me. Pete. At 04:41 PM 31/7/96 +0800, you wrote: >>> Hm, I'd like to see a gig where they'd replaced Reaper, Godzilla and Cities >>> with three others. I;ve heard enough versions of those by now... >>> >>> Jerry > >>Toss in Born to be Wild while you're at it! >>theo > >Nooo! It's been my ambition for a number of years now to put together a tape of cover versions of BtbW by different bands - if anyone knows of any - please drop me a line! >(I'm up to about 45 mins at the mo.) > >Cheers, > >Rich. > >** richard.lockwood at tpd.co.uk ** > > ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "One new slave, the same old rock." - Roy Harper From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jul 31 21:48:42 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:48:42 +1100 Subject: OFF: Eloy-news Message-ID: On 31 Jul 96 at 22:10, simon wrote: > 'Ra'. Is the more recent stuff any good/worth getting? I know they have > released a couple of cd's with re-recordings of older stuff. Are they worth > while? I have Chronicles I ... it's good from the point of view that it is faithful to the original, but nice a clean (due to the tracks being re-recorded from scratch). Dunno about Chronicles II though. > Is there a full Eloy discography anywhere, or a home page? I don't have the URL handy, but there's a link on my 'links' page: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/links.html Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jul 31 21:52:57 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:52:57 +1100 Subject: OFF: Eloy-news Message-ID: On 31 Jul 96 at 9:21, Christian Mumford wrote: > Hmm.. I've always been curios about this band, but have never had the > opportunity to actually hear them. From what I understand their late > 70's period is considered "space-rock".... which album would be a good > place to start for a rabid Hawkwind fan?? My tips - "Ocean" and "Colours". Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jul 31 22:03:27 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:03:27 +1100 Subject: OFF: Nik-Pix Updated!! Message-ID: "Battle-Mats" has updated his Nik Turner/darXtar photo gallery. Check it out at http://www.algonet.se/~batlmats/nik_turnr.htm Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From ROBOdewd at AOL.COM Wed Jul 31 23:40:12 1996 From: ROBOdewd at AOL.COM (ROBOdewd at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 23:40:12 -0400 Subject: BOC: cut the crap Message-ID: In a message dated 96-07-31 16:41:00 EDT, you write: << The man is a brilliant musician, I don't for a minute believe that he's over the hill - he's just... sick and tired of B.O. f***ing C??? I think I would after 25+ yrs... Personally, I think he should do some gigs with tBS to loosen up those musical tendons. And then go form the guitar pop band of his dreams, and give us some new Don Roeser tunes. ;-) >> personally, I'd like to see Don Roeser hook up with a pair of black guys from Tennessee and form a blues band...that would be kewl! ROBO From stayer at PI.NET Wed Jul 31 20:52:34 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:52:34 PDT Subject: OFF: Eloy-news Message-ID: Christian, >Hmm.. I've always been curios about this band, but have never had the >opportunity to actually hear them. From what I understand their late >70's period is considered "space-rock".... which album would be a good >place to start for a rabid Hawkwind fan?? Phew, tough question. I always considered Eloy more progrock than space rock. Maybe 'Silent Cries, Mighty Echoes' (1979) is a good place to start. I don't think this is their best album, but it might be closest to HW Eloy ever got. Another good choice might be 'Inside' (1973), or 'Ocean' (1977). Some more progrock albums: 'Planets', 'Time To Turn'. Enjoy, Jerry