From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Jan 1 03:59:50 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:59:50 +0100 Subject: HW: New bootleg. Message-ID: Hi Chuck! >Text of Festival is shit?? Oh, I almost bought this CD. For 23 bucks, >too. Masters of the Universe looks like it has the same songs (except for >one, "Reprise...Compromise..."). Is this a good one to get? If you are looking for a long JAM session you have to buy REPRISE..... Try to buy the double vinyl LP. And you'll find there both jam sessions I said that TOF is shit because it is an officially record with no good quality. For a hardcore fan it is a welcome addition to his collection. For a new HAWKWIND fan it is a very strange record cu Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Jan 1 03:58:25 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:58:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Great sun jester. Message-ID: Hello Henrik! Here are the lyrics you are looking for: HAWKWIND did this song (poem) one time. It was in London, Rainbow on 18.12.1981 The Joker of the Universe They have killed the great sun jester Who danced between the stars They have stripped him of his manhood Signs of Venus and of Mars The cynics left him weeping And the jackals left him torn But the jester reaches out blind hands He can touch the stars no more. And he danced for us And he laughed for us And he gave us all he had He was Jesus, he was Jonas He was good, and he was bad And he took the stars in his hands And as he scattered them he'd shout "I'm the joker of the universe I'm what it's all about." Now he's dying in his dream And the hard men drag him down They have killed the wild-eyed jester They have killed the Fireclown Now his blind eyes seek the starlight And his fingers seek controls To take him into space again Where he was both young and old The dancers legs are stiffened with pain And they've made him kneel too long And the madness they have driven out They've left him cold and sane. He'll never sing his songs again He'll never dance between the stars again. He'll never laugh again He'll never dream your songs again He'll never sing his songs again He'll never sing his songs again cu Bernhard From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Jan 1 10:16:18 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 10:16:18 -0500 Subject: HW: Great sun jester. Message-ID: >HAWKWIND did this song (poem) one time. It was in London, Rainbow on >18.12.1981 And as I recall, we were mighty surprised to hear these lyrics (familiar from BOC's _Mirrors_, of course) at a HW show. Recited by Moorcock himself, wasn't it, on one of his guest appearances (it all blurs :)? And support was Calvert and Turner, with Calvert on his hand held synth (a Wasp?). The other thing I really remember from that gig was going into the Finsbury Park Tavern before the show, and it was full of Rastafarians dealing dope. I don't think I've ever seen so much dope, or so much cash in rolls of notes for that matter, at one time. We were in the pub about two seconds before we were offered a deal. (But I went in there again last year and it was full of Arsenal fans. How things change.) - Andy From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Jan 1 10:56:09 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 07:56:09 -0800 Subject: Twas a HW New Year! Message-ID: Just recovering from the Eve celebration, and what an Eve it was! The F/I show included an excellent set by a bunch of guys calling themselves Lost in Space. Around 11 people were on stage, including 2 from F/I and the fellow who sat in with Nik on guitar last time he was in town. These guys hammered out an hour and a half of SR style HW covers, and did it beautifully! Set list included Down Through the Night, Demented Man (!), Uncle Sam's on Mars, Robot, Space is Deep, Sonic Attack, Standing at the Edge, Master of the Universe and The Watcher. 2 guitars, bass, 3 keyboard/effects, flute/sax, 2 drummers, 2 vox/acoustic. The synth effects in particular were brilliant. And according to one of the guitarists, they just put the band together the night before... F/I were, to be kind, there. Or at least partially. There was an exhibition of HW goodies that was quite impressive. Album covers lined a wall from floor to ceiling. Quite humbling to a guy who owns a mere 60 pieces :) Altho I did notice that Friends and Relations 2 was missing... I managed a chat with the guy who owned most of the collection, and he mentioned a few items he's still seeking. Of course I realize that these are real toughies, butI offered to post them if anyone happens to spot them: Hawkwind/Jefferson Starship Hawkwind/VDGG Rock Legends Hawkwind Mind Journey (he said there is only 1 copy known to exist?) ICU - Maximum Effect Anyway, back to bed! :) Wylie From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon Jan 1 16:45:36 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 16:45:36 -0500 Subject: HW: New bootleg. Message-ID: Bernhard - Thanks. But vinyl is hopeless around here. All I have to choose from at the time are these CDs. So, basically what you're telling me is that Text and Masters are the same, similar sound quality? You say it would be a welcome addition to a hardcore Hawker's Kollection, yet you lumped it in the same category as YURI?? Is there another HW recording that I have that you could compare the sound to? Is it as good/better/worse than that Birmingham '88 show? Sorry to be nitpicky, but I need to know this stuff if I'm gonna spend the bucks on one of these CDs... Chuck BLHA LBHA HELLO `[1;33;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Jan 1 17:23:14 1996 From: tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Tox) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 17:23:14 -0500 Subject: BS: My Impressions of Mamakin Gig In-Reply-To: <30E222E9@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Dec 1995, Rudich, Robert A wrote: > Peter did a special Xmas ditty that kept running through my head as I sat > bored at my in-laws for Xmas day. > Yes, could A&D kindly post the lyrics to this one? -Tox From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Tue Jan 2 00:41:13 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 23:41:13 -0600 Subject: HW: Great sun jester. In-Reply-To: <960101101616_103515306@mail06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Jan 1996, Andy Gilham wrote: > >HAWKWIND did this song (poem) one time. It was in London, Rainbow on > >18.12.1981 > > And as I recall, we were mighty surprised to hear these lyrics (familiar from > BOC's _Mirrors_, of course) at a HW show. Recited by Moorcock himself, > wasn't it, on one of his guest appearances (it all blurs :)? Yes, it was MM who did this, and a few other poems at that show; the setlist was (* tracks = MM poems if I'm recalling the tape correctly): live at the rainbow theatre, london, england, 18/12/81 (2 tape 60s) intro, master of the universe, standing at the edge*, motorway city, angels of life, my armour's killing me*, psi power, coded languages, golden void, magnu, dust of time, the joker of the universe*, instrumental, psychadelic warlords, the timeship will not sail*, rocky paths, psychosonia, sonic attack, shot down in the night, brainstorm, silver machine, master of the universe, urban guerilla Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Tue Jan 2 07:59:54 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 07:59:54 EST Subject: HW: Great sun Jester. Message-ID: Hi folks ! Many thanks Bernhard for the lyrics. Something to read at work this week (working nightshifts again). Cheers Henrik From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Jan 3 12:10:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:10:00 PST Subject: BOC in the NW/Adsdress for Cyberbaron Message-ID: Just found out BOC will be playing Seattle Feb 1 and 2. Does anyone know of other scheduled dates in Washington, Oregon, Idaho or Vancouver, BC? Now if we could get the Brain Surgeons out for a West Coast tour. Or have they already been out here? Also Offtopic: Does anyone familiar with the Portland, OR area know the name of the record store across from Powell Books? Thanks, Skip ================================ If you can acess the net hit Cyberbaron, it lists concert dates thru Feb 96. Also pictures and information for ordering new Tour T-shirt and Buck's Flat Out T-shirts. Cyberbaron = http://www.clark.net/pub/mileskb/boc/boc.html AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Jan 3 12:20:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:20:00 PST Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties/The Costs Message-ID: > How much does it cost to put out an independant CD? In this area you can get deals to press 1,000 cd's and 500 cassettes for very little money. The real cost is probably in distribution, how do you get it to record stores, escpecially the big chains, for a reasonable price. I've seen labels produce cd's with different companies responsible for the distribution. Mail ordering is probably less expensive, especially when the consumer pays shipping costs both ways. Still you have to spend some money on advertising. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Jan 3 12:33:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:33:00 PST Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties/Stale Set List Message-ID: >The performance royalties go directly to the BOC office which is under the > control of Steve Schenck. I'm supposed to be paid for my performances but > BOC claims they don't make enough for me to get paid. They've taken a lot > of my money. This has made them appear as not very honorable people in my > eyes. How would you feel? > Al > >Understandable, and also supportive of the point I was getting at. Buck and >Eric are credited on the more played tunes (Reaper, BFY), so you'd have >to assume from a royalty sense they are bringing in more cabbage than you >are. You'd also have to assume that they could've afforded to put their own >CD out by now if they wanted. perhaps its more a lack of material? >Am I correct that someone has mentioned that even the current new tune's >lyrics are written by outside writers? Rich Would also explain why the set list remains fairly stale and static. Would assume the fewer songs credited to Al the less royalties due. As they are preforming it wouldn't be hard to keep an accounting of Al's songs. Question: What about Cult Classics? This was released on Herald and all songs were re-preformed. Are any royalties recieved from this? From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Jan 3 12:41:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:41:00 PST Subject: BOC Radio Play Message-ID: >I've heard several: >In Thee >Ed Travelling home thru North Carolina, flipping the dial looking for music, caught the end of a music block and DJ announced some "Live Accoustic BOC" as part of the block. Grabbed the cellular and waited for station to post a number to confirm. Lost signal before they ever announced a number. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 2 11:57:07 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:57:07 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties/The Costs Message-ID: Adrian says in response to the following: > How much does it cost to put out an independant CD? In this area you can get deals to press 1,000 cd's and 500 cassettes for very little money. The real cost is probably in distribution, how do you get it to record stores, escpecially the big chains, for a reasonable price. I've seen labels produce cd's with different companies responsible for the distribution. Mail ordering is probably less expensive, especially when the consumer pays shipping costs both ways. Still you have to spend some money on advertising. Costs of making a CD are definitely coming down - although these costs are more associated with putting the finished audio product on the CD. I believe this thread got started regarding a new BOC album. And, the real costs are probably not so much in pressing CDs, but in producing the music to put on those CDs. For a quality recording, alot of work goes into the recording, mixing, sequencing, etc. of the various tracks. And, the resultant CD will only be as good as the master recording is. While not trying to turn this into a "BOC vs. The Brain Surgeons" thread, I want to point out the Al/Deb/et al have demonstrated how to put out a very fine independent release on CD. But, knowing the amount of work that went into it (I believe they spent 3 days to record, and then something like 3 weeks to mix *Trepanation*), there's certainly more to the costs than actual production. Now, I don't know the status of BOC putting out new stuff, but it is possible that the tracks that they've already worked up need more than just being pressed onto CD - they may need to be re-recorded, re-mixed, etc. Anyways, my point of all this was that for a truly quality product, there's more costs involved than having the CDs/tapes pressed. John From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Tue Jan 2 15:54:13 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:54:13 U Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties/The Costs Message-ID: > How much does it cost to put out an independant CD? In the UK there's a company called Hypersonics who will do 500 cd's, with booklet art/layout etc, packaging, VAT and Uncle Tom Cobbleigh and all for GBP1000. Cheers, Rich. ** Seen by my mates coming out of a Styx gig... ** From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Tue Jan 2 17:14:31 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:14:31 U Subject: BOC: Apollo 440's DFtR Message-ID: >Found two copies of this the other day, a dollar apiece, vinyl. >Not what I expected - electronic dance music. The cover >versions of DFtR and their own two songs...I wasn't impressed. >But I figure it's worth keeping. Anyone want the other copy? >They weren't bought sealed, but they look (and sound) to be hot >off the press. Ah - funny that. I just picked up an "Indie Rock Compilation Part 18" or something, with a cover of DFtR by the Bridewell Taxis - rather sad indie band from Leeds. And it's awful. Cheers, Rich. ** Seen by my mates coming out of a Styx gig... ** From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Jan 3 16:11:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:11:00 PST Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties/The Costs Message-ID: > How much does it cost to put out an independant CD? >In this area you can get deals to press 1,000 cd's and 500 cassettes for >very little money. The real cost is probably in distribution, how do you >get it to record stores, escpecially the big chains, for a reasonable price. > I've seen labels produce cd's with different companies responsible for the >distribution. Mail ordering is probably less expensive, especially when the >consumer pays shipping costs both ways. Still you have to spend some money >on advertising. >I believe this thread got started regarding a new BOC album. And, the >real costs are probably not so much in pressing CDs, but in producing >the music to put on those CDs. For a quality recording, alot of work >goes into the recording, mixing, sequencing, etc. of the various tracks. >And, the resultant CD will only be as good as the master recording is. >While not trying to turn this into a "BOC vs. The Brain Surgeons" thread, >I want to point out the Al/Deb/et al have demonstrated how to put out >a very fine independent release on CD. But, knowing the amount of work >that went into it (I believe they spent 3 days to record, and then something >like 3 weeks to mix *Trepanation*), there's certainly more to the >costs than actual production. Now, I don't know the status of BOC >putting out new stuff, but it is possible that the tracks that they've >already worked up need more than just being pressed onto CD - they >may need to be re-recorded, re-mixed, etc. >Anyways, my point of all this was that for a truly quality product, >there's more costs involved than having the CDs/tapes pressed. >John Would agree whole heartedly but as you point out with the Surgeons if you have the skills to complete some of the production processes yourself you can certainly minimize your outside expenses. Time is money and for a do it yourself production you will burn a lot of time, this however may be preferrable than having Alan Parsons come in and do the production and finishing touches. Also by doing the re-mix, mastering and assorted tasks probably gives a group like the Surgeons a great advantage over a group outsourcing these taks to someone else; quality control over final production. Its not final until they are happy with it, the sound is what they want it to be as opposed to another persons interpretation of what it should be. I assume that once you bring in third parties to any part of the creation, finishing and selling process your costs increase accordingly. AB PS - Slightly off subject and I may have missed it but are there any plans for a Brain Surgeons FAQ? From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Jan 2 13:54:40 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:54:40 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties/The Costs In-Reply-To: from "Richard Lockwood" at Jan 2, 96 03:54:13 pm Message-ID: Richard Lockwood writes: > > How much does it cost to put out an independant CD? > > In the UK there's a company called Hypersonics who will do 500 cd's, with > booklet art/layout etc, packaging, VAT and Uncle Tom Cobbleigh and all for > GBP1000. I flicked through the back of a multimedia magazine, looking at the small ads. The typical price listed there is 1000 CDs for $1000-$1200. This is for pressed CDs with artwork, etc. (not cheapo CD-R knock-offs). Cheers, Paul. obCD: Hawkwind, _Alien 4_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Jan 2 17:32:19 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:32:19 -0500 Subject: HW Palace Springs Message-ID: Hello all Hawkfriends, I hope you all had a good holiday. I have a couple questions about Palace Springs. Does anyone know the bands line-up, and when and where was it recorded. I recently got a tape of this, and frankly, I am blown away by it. I really like the keyboard work, and is that Simon House playing violin? Was this a live show that was exceptional sounding, or was this reworked in the studio? Thanks in advance for any info. Duane OBCD:Orb - U.F.Orb -- " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Jan 2 18:13:05 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:13:05 -0700 Subject: Surgeons in Upstate NY?? In-Reply-To: <8B7E3CB.0001000D58.uuout@nor.mkl.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Dec 1995, ROBERT SEDLER wrote: > Albert sez on BS touring: > > > Nothing's firm yet so it is possible. We're planning an > >upstate NY/Burlington swing in May so maybe Boston would be later. > >Who knows? Maybe 96 will be the year the Brain Surgeons get off the > >East coast! H'py Nu Year, > > WHOA!! That got my attention! BS's coming up to Upstate NY AKA > Torgoland?!?! A dream come true. > > Why not hit Binghamton, Syracuse and Utica. Since Torgo (and Rich C, > another boc-l lurker) live right in the very center of that Bermuda > Triangle of Rock & Roll, we could make sure we catch ya!!! > > Oh by the way... Happy New Year Baby, ready for another round? > > Torgo > robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com > > Santa left me: Strictly Commercial, The best of Frank Zappa > > "...I'll ignore your cheap aroma, and your little Bo-Peep diploma > I'll just put you in a coma with some Dirty Love..." > -Dirty Love, FZ > Torgo, If upstate NY is the Bermuda Triangle of rock n' roll, then New Mexico is literally the Sahara; we rarely get any shows out here nowadays!! But I can still dream of BS in Albuquerque someday, or was that a mir- age???? Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From zsoldos at OGYALLA.KONKOLY.HU Tue Jan 2 18:16:17 1996 From: zsoldos at OGYALLA.KONKOLY.HU (Endre Zsoldos) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 00:16:17 +0100 Subject: HW Palace Springs Message-ID: Hi all, Duane asked: >I have a couple questions about Palace Springs. Does anyone know the >bands line-up, and when and where was it recorded. The line-up: Bridgett Wishart (vocals) Dave Brock (vocals, guitar & keyboards) Harvey Bainbridge (keyboards & vocals) Alan Davey (bass & vocals) Richard Chadwick (drums) Simon House (guest violin) It was recorded in London and Los Angeles but no dates are given. Cheers, Endre P.S. I know that my .sig is not really appropriate :-)) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Endre Zsoldos | Tottenham Hotspur Konkoly Observatory | Werder Bremen Budapest XII, P.O.Box 67 | Ferencvaros 1525 Hungary | zsoldos at ogyalla.konkoly.hu | http://ogyalla.konkoly.hu/staff/zsoldos.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Jan 2 20:21:04 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 20:21:04 -0500 Subject: HW Palace Springs In-Reply-To: <199601022232.AA22285@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Jan 2, 96 05:32:19 pm Message-ID: > > Hello all Hawkfriends, > > I hope you all had a good holiday. > > I have a couple questions about Palace Springs. Does anyone know the > bands line-up, and when and where was it recorded. > I recently got a tape of this, and frankly, I am blown away by it. > I really like the keyboard work, and is that Simon House playing violin? > Was this a live show that was exceptional sounding, or was this reworked > in the studio? > Thanks in advance for any info. I believe that the first two tracks are the studio versions of Back in the Box, and Treadmill (which they did play on that tour, but they had already recorded them, so they put these studio versions on -- I remember that the live Back in the Box was a lot different than the studio....no Brock "rap" at the end, but rather the bizarre banter between Harvey and Bridgett like on the Live Legends video, although they had an actual box on stage as opposed to the post/body wrap thing). The rest is live I believe, and *maybe* has been reworked/ overdubbed afterwards, I don't know....it does sound very clean. I think there may have been a discussion about this once before here on boc-l. And yes, that is Simon guesting on that album....if you haven't already, you should pick up the Live Legends/Nottingham video....the version of Wind of Change is excellent. Simon sounds great!! The Business Trip is very good quality as well....similar I think to PS. Keith H. From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Jan 3 00:54:00 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 06:54:00 +0100 Subject: HW: New bootleg. Message-ID: CHUCK! >You say it would be a welcome addition to a hardcore Hawker's Kollection, >yet you lumped it in the same category as YURI?? Both records are very useful for HAWKWIND collectors because you can find tracks on these records/CD's which do not appear on other records (or gigs), especially the 2nd record of the TOF vinyl with the long jams or the poems on Youri Gagarin (Gaga, In The Egg, Wage War) For non HAWKWIND specialists these records are worthless because they show not HAWKWIND how they usually play (Youri Gagarin) >Sorry to be nitpicky, but I need >to know this stuff if I'm gonna spend the bucks on one of these CDs... No problem Chuck. I am very happy to help you! >Is there another HW recording that I have that you could compare the >sound to? Is it as good/better/worse than that Birmingham '88 show? Do you mean the Birmingham 04.December 1988 or the Birmingham 19.April 1988 tape? I think that both tapes have better sound qualities! But remember: The TOF vinyl is a very rare record now. And if you like very old HAWKWIND music, just buy it! If these records were on tape I'd rate them between 7 and 8 (good for a bootleg tape, shit for an official record) Hope that helps! Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Jan 3 02:37:30 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:37:30 +0100 Subject: HW Palace Springs Message-ID: Hello Duane The Palace Springs was recorded in Studio and Live TREADMILL and BACK IN THE BOX (both WITH SIMON HOUSE) are studio recordings (from 1989), the other tracks are live, recorded in LA on 10.10.1989 (WITHOUT Simon House). The Live lineup was: BROCK DAVEY CHADWICK BAINBRIDGE Bridget Wishard DIDN'T appear on this record !!!! Hope that helps Bernhard From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 3 03:39:05 1996 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:39:05 GMT Subject: HW Palace Springs Message-ID: >The Business Trip is very good quality as well....similar I think to PS. > >Keith H. You're right the Business Trip has been on my turntable more or less constantly for the last 8 weeks, I even got a non Hawkwind type person the CD for X-mas and she thinks it's great. I particulally love the versions of LSD, Camera that could Lie, Green Finned Demon, what the heck the whole album. It's probally because Dave's Guitar work does feature quite heavally thoughout the whole album. ps I apologies for the partically bad spelling but it is early :-) Derrick --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. --------------------------------------------- From SWELTON at VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE Wed Jan 3 10:35:05 1996 From: SWELTON at VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE (Sebastian Welton) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:35:05 EWT Subject: Adrian Shaw (kind of) Message-ID: Just see a new WWW page - http://www.geopages.com/Hollywood/2507/woronzow.html which is in fact the Woronzow Records homepage. Home of Bevis Frond but also home of erstwhile ex-Hawkwind bassist Adrian Shaw. Had a quick look through and it seems quite interesting (you can dwonload a few sound samples including Ade's new stuff.) Cheers Seb S.J.Welton MVS & VM Operations and Automation Analyst ECNOD/CS/MGCS European Space Operations Centre (ESA), 64293 Darmstadt, Deutschland SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET | DE27PSNP at IBMMAIL | Telephone ++49 6151 902570 C=DE;A=DBP;O=ESOC;S=WELTON;G=SEBASTIAN site=ESOC username=SWELTON From lansford at VNET.NET Wed Jan 3 05:12:52 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:12:52 GMT Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties/The Costs In-Reply-To: <30E996F4@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, "BREVARD Adrian R." wrote: >Would agree whole heartedly but as you point out with the Surgeons if you >have the skills to complete some of the production processes yourself you >can certainly minimize your outside expenses. Time is money and for a do it >yourself production you will burn a lot of time, this however may be >preferrable than having Alan Parsons come in and do the production and >finishing touches. Also by doing the re-mix, mastering and assorted tasks >probably gives a group like the Surgeons a great advantage over a group >outsourcing these taks to someone else; quality control over final >production. Its not final until they are happy with it, the sound is what >they want it to be as opposed to another persons interpretation of what it >should be. I assume that once you bring in third parties to any part of the >creation, finishing and selling process your costs increase accordingly. Quick check of credits on CC shows engineering and some production as outside the "inner circle" of the band and Schenck, where on Trep everything was in the family until mastering. I recall a comment from Buck a couple of years ago about the new songs being aimed at getting signed to a major label. Lack of experience/confidence at doing things themselves? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- No Team -- No Peace Save Our Browns http://sob.df.net/index.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Jan 3 06:10:34 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:10:34 +0100 Subject: HW: New bootleg. Message-ID: >Sorry to be nitpicky, but I need >to know this stuff if I'm gonna spend the bucks on one of these CDs... Hi Chuck, there are three Hawk CD:s out, which is entitled _Masters of the Universe_. the first one was the second HW compilation (the first was _Roadhawks_) which was out on vinyl back in 1977. The cover had an excellent artwork, and among the tracks is "It's so easy" which appears for the first time on an album. This was later reissued on EMI/Fame as a CD. the second in this series was a (Marble Arch) compilation, based on the three _Anthology_ albums and _Levitation. The cover is one of the most uninspired HW covers of all times, far beyond the avant garde of _...Yuri Gagarin_, the pubertal comics on the _Friday Rock Show_ or even the Short Circuit of _Early Daze_. There's no need at all to buy this CD, if you're not a *seriously* demented HawkFan. the third _Masters of the Universe_ was seen as a CD 1992 (on the label Thunderbolt), and it was almost the same as the 1985 vinyl _In the Beginning_. It had the same sleeve, but a new name. Also the LP sides was swapped, so what was side B on the vinyl had now been the beginning on the '92 CD. _In the Beginning_ was the first LP of the double vinyl _Text of Festival_, which was the LP without their famous jam session "Sound... Shouldn't... Improvise... Compromise... Reprise" the _Text of Festival_ CD is nearly the same as the vinyl with the same name, but because of space (!) limitation in the CD format, the second part of the jam (side D on the vinyl) was left out. conclusion of the Chuck dilemma: as I think you've reached "stage B" in the Hawk Kollekting - you've already found almost all of the main releases, and are curious to hear more "off the main records" - but haven't yet become a Kompletist who would sue for a divorce if his wife hindered him from buying the 64:th incarnation of the Anthology/Acid Daze series, I would like to say this: the official bootlegs is often in Lo Fi Sound Quality, but still it is very cool to hear these gigs (now talking _Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin_ and _Text of Festival_). Try to get these two (or if it's the Thunderbolt MotU and it's a lot cheaper, take the MotU), and try to avoid the compilations based on this originals (now talking _Early Daze_ or the unbelievable (bad) vinyls of _Live '70-'73_ or it's sister _Welcome to the Future_) there are also official bootlegs with good sound quality, here is _California Brainstorm_ and _Space Ritual II_ (which was the second LP of _Space Ritual_) good examples for. (and the _Ridicule_, which was the second LP of Space Ritual II). Ridiculus..? Get those! Is there anyone who want to do a ranking of all boots/semi official boots/boots compilation/etc, etc..? Bernhard? Mike? Jill? Henrik? >Chuck \\joe >BLHA LBHA >HELLO blaha blaha pa dig sjalv du :0) From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Jan 3 17:25:23 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:25:23 +0000 Subject: HW: White Zone Message-ID: Gidday All, Recently there was some discussion of the origin of the term 'White Zone', and some one mentioned that it was from the 'Airport' movie of the 70's. Since then I've had a nagging thought at the back of my mind that this reference had appeared elsewhere ... and I just remembered where! 'Just Give 'em Whiskey' from Colourbox's ST album from the eighties includes the sample "The White Zone is for landing and refueling". Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Jan 3 06:03:59 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:03:59 +1100 Subject: DarXtar: Daybreak 'Review' Message-ID: Gidday All! I finally decided to get around to reviewing DarXtar's _Daybreak_ album, after promising various swedish folk that I'd do it months ago! So here goes ...... Disclaimer: None, I think I'm past that {;^), IMO, etc.) Band: DarXtar Title: Daybreak Label: SBm SBMCDA001 1st Release: 1994 Artists: Darklord Soren (Keyboards) Fred&Ric (Space Violin) Doctor Patric (Drums) Lt Lines (Artwork) Captain Juba (Bass & Vocals) The Commander (Guitar & Vocals) I must admit that I received my personally autographed (thanks Hawkjoe) copy of this CD with a small amount of Trepidation ... I had no idea what to expect, and hoped that they weren't going to be Hawkwind wanna-be's. I am happy to say that I worried for nothing! But while on the subject, let's get the Hawkwind comparisons out of the way first, before I concentrate on the album in it's own right. These guys are not (nor are they tring to be) Hawkwind. They have their own distinct sound, and one that definitely belongs in the genre of 'Space Rock', as broad as that definition is. There are strong signs of HW influence here though - which is of course a good thing. All the tracks are full of the sort of spacey electronic effects that we are all familiar with, but it is in no way excessive. The closest link to HW that I can suggest is my first reaction to the album ..... this is what Hawkwind might be like if 1972 was 1994. If my biased comparison to Doremi/Space ritual etc. is anything to go on, long may the DarXtar spaceship fly ...... Now on to the review proper. First stop - the cover ..... As you place the disc in the player, you can't help but notice the cover drawings of moons and stars (and a 50's style rocket ship) over an alien landscape, and inside, the excerpt from the 'Captains Log Stardate 49207110:15' The excitement begins as you read of the disastrous Timewarp hurls the spaceship across the galaxy to parts unknown, and simultaneously press 'play' .... 'Eternal War' begins with the sounds of rain, wind and thunder on a dreary winter day ..... accompanied by the sound of a spacecraft crashing to earth and the coughs of the survivors. Then came the guitar! This is good stuff, a punchy full sound with some decent drumwork, and regular changes of pace. The short soft passages (where the special effects are most evident) don't last too long, and some nice spacey guitar riffs take over as the pace picks up again. As the storm fades into the distance, the short spoken 'Magicians' begins. This 'ode' to all space warriors concludes with my favourite line on the album, "In Space we Trust", as the opening chords of 'Voices of my Dreams' begin. This track is much slower, but still maintains a 'wall of sound', with the tweaks and chirps of the special effects much more dominant (but still not overpowering). 'Dark Daze' is next up, opening with the fading sounds of a happy baby and adult laughter in the seque from the previous track. There is some very nice 'natural' guitar sounds in this one, which is slower again then the earlier track. It tells of the sorrow of the lost starfarer's who "wish they could find a way back home". It's not really 'Space Rock', but is a great song that fits in perfectly. 'Valley of Time' picks up the pace again to some extent. This track has some great lyrics, and the music portrays just the right amount of foreboding. The tranquility of birds chirping as the track fades is soon shattered as DarXtar 'Travel Fast Nowhere'! The pace has returns full force with this punchy number, dominated by fuzzed out Bass guitar. It slows down in the middle in a dark and mysterious way (not too dissimilar from many HW tracks), but the power breaks out again for the song's close. Their album concludes with the 15 minute epic 'Into the Unknown'. This is my favourite track, probably because it reminds me so much of you know who. Space Rock at it's finest, it has elements of 80's concept bands mixed with classic 70's rock. I really like this album, and look forward to DarXtar's subsequent releases. They have a style all their own, but have some obvious strong influences. The vocals are generally clear and easy to understand. They remind me of (in no particular order) of Hawkwind, Pallas, Pendragon, IQ (especially the vocals), and even Marillion is some parts. If you do see this in the stores, buy it - you won't be sorry! A. Soniqu=E9 -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Jan 3 17:28:15 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:28:15 +0000 Subject: HW Palace Springs In-Reply-To: <199601030737.IAA10056@exit.ruhr.de> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > Bridget Wishard DIDN'T appear on this record !!!! This surprises me! Who then is doing the vocals on 'Back in the Box'? Sounds like Bridget, and she *is* credited! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM Wed Jan 3 10:17:28 1996 From: des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM (E F) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:17:28 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties/The Costs In-Reply-To: <30ea53e4.141834530@email.vnet.net> from "Jean Lansford" at Jan 3, 96 10:12:52 am Message-ID: > > On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, "BREVARD Adrian R." wrote: > > >Would agree whole heartedly but as you point out with the Surgeons if you > >have the skills to complete some of the production processes yourself you > >can certainly minimize your outside expenses. Then Jean Wrote: > Quick check of credits on CC shows engineering and some production as > outside the "inner circle" of the band and Schenck, where on Trep > everything was in the family until mastering. > > I recall a comment from Buck a couple of years ago about the new songs > being aimed at getting signed to a major label. Lack of > experience/confidence at doing things themselves? I have a feeling towards this that it is more a case of "Two Many Cooks." How would they go about dividing up the workload of a self-produced/promoted record? Figure that you have to have Buck and Eric in there, it would probably be in Allen's best interests then would the new guys be included or would they even want to? Plus the "touring" schedule would have to be worked around. Also I see the touring as the only new source of income for the group so why put that aside just to cut a record? In the case of Al and Deb whre it is pretty much their project and band and they get to call the shots it's a much easier thing to undertake. And living in the same household probably helps a lot too. Cheers-- --Eric PS. Been a long long time since I've posted here. Hi Everybody! Happy Chanuka, Merry Christmas, Happy Kwanza, Happy New Year. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Jan 4 14:20:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:20:00 PST Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties/The Costs Message-ID: > Also I see the touring as the >only new source of income for the group so why put that aside just to cut >a record? >In the case of Al and Deb whre it is pretty much their project and band >and they get to call the shots it's a much easier thing to undertake. >And living in the same household probably helps a lot too. >Cheers-- >--Eric Deb and Al probably gave up revenue to work on Epo. Don't forget Deb is a professional writer and Al can always do gigs with a lot of other groups. Spending three weeks on Epo caused either some late hours doing other things or they took time off from money making tasks to put it together. In BOC's case they probably have the time to take a few days in the recording studio but not the time to put the finishing touches on the album. A few days in the studio can probably be worked in easily to their touring schedule. So unless they don't have the money or the financial backing to do the finishing touches or simply lack the material there may not be any good reason why they don't put something new on the market. AB From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 3 11:46:05 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:46:05 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties/The Costs Message-ID: Absolutely no one could record a finished product like Trepanation in three days. That was the time it took to get the drum tracks, and we actually kept most of the guitar basics that were done at the same time. A lot of the vocals-- as well as alot of the other guitar work-- were first and second takes, which has more to do with the ability of the performers, rather than any cost consideration--- took place over the course of the next couple of months. As for other people's recordings-- well, where there's a will, there's always a way. But given that anyone could make a great record for a fraction of what these people got for selling the rights to their publishing, or a decent one for the same amount spent flying haphazardly around the country in the course of a year, cost is not really the issue here. From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Wed Jan 3 12:03:43 1996 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:03:43 -0500 Subject: HW. Entropy tango. In-Reply-To: <9512291952.AA09975@sonor> from "Johan Edlundh" at Dec 29, 95 08:52:48 pm Message-ID: for those who asked here is the poem entropy tango my pulse rate stood at zero when i first saw my pierrot my temperature rose to 99 when i beheld my columbine sigh sigh sigh for love that's pft denied cry cry cry my lips remain unsatisfied i'm yearning so for my own pierrot as we dance the entropy tango i'll weep weep til he sweeps me off my feet my heart will beat beat beat and my body lose its heat oh life no longer seems so sweet since that sad pierrot became my beau and taught me the entropy tango so flow flow as the rain turns into snow and it's slow slow slow as the colours lose their glow the winds of limbo no longer blow for cold columbine and her pale pierrot as we dance the entropy tango! BTW the books dedicated to Pete Pavli (who wrote most of the music) cheers dave From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 3 12:19:36 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:19:36 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties/The Costs Message-ID: Eric says: >In the case of Al and Deb whre it is pretty much their project and band and they get to call the shots it's a much easier thing to undertake. And living in the same household probably helps a lot too. An advantage for sure. However, whatever the case may be, a band trying to produce it's own music owes it to themselves (and to a lesser extent, their fans) to do what's necessary to produce a quality product. If that means taking a break from touring, getting together at a remote place, spending weekends away from home, or whatever, then so be it. You do what you have to do to get the job done and done right -- especially when your livelihood may be dependent upon it. Also, as far as "calling the shots" go, I completely agree -- I think albums like *Trepanation* and other indie releases are living proof that you've got to let the ARTIST define the way the album should be - not some record company executive or some recording engineer who couldn't make it as a musician. It's the artist that has the best feel for his/ her music, and independent releases are showing that these artists are alot smarter than big record company execs might give them credit for. I'm not saying that outside help is not useful (and may be necessary for some bands who need help synthesizing some of their ideas), but the artist should call the shots. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 3 13:44:25 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:44:25 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties/The Costs Message-ID: I may have misled some people about the "3 days" - I thought at one point that Deb or Al indicated that most of the recording of the tracks for *Trepanation* were done over the course of 3 days, but that Al then spent like 3 months mixing them. But it appears from Deb's comment that 3 days to lay down the tracks may have been incorrect as well. I certainly didn't mean to imply that *Trepanation* was produced in a short amount of time, much less 3 days. On the contrary, I was trying to cite *Trepanation* as a perfect example of how a quality CD should be produced -- it takes time, and I also believe requires the artist to call as much of the shots on the production as possible. And as I also tried to point out, the $$ costs go beyond what it costs to take a recording and make CD copies of it -- the real costs are in getting the songs down right and mixed properly to begin with --> but, if the artist is concerned with a quality product, then the artist will take the necessary steps to see that this gets done (whether its done in one's own living room, a studio in a major city, or Joe's Bar and Grill) properly. Anyways, I've rambled enough . . . John From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Jan 4 17:21:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:21:00 PST Subject: What Happened to Underbelly/Brain Surgeons FAQ? Message-ID: Just tried to access Underbelly on line and either the URL has changed or the page no longer exists. Robo, you there? In addition, John swartz is their now or in the works a Brain Surgeon FAQ? If not any plans on doing one? Thanx From TheQuail at CTHULHU.MICROSERVE.COM Wed Jan 3 15:45:06 1996 From: TheQuail at CTHULHU.MICROSERVE.COM (The Great Quail) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 15:45:06 -0500 Subject: HW (Nik): Sphinx vs. Anubian Lights Message-ID: Hello - I know it has been quite a while since I have posted to the HW list, but here it goes: I have recently acquired a Nik Turner CD from Cleopatra, called "Sphinx." I have heard much discussion about one of his other CD's called "Anubian Lights," which I have never been able to find. Could these two CD's be one and the same? (The tracks on "Sphinx" start off with:The Awakening, Thoth, God Rock, Anubis, Isis and Nepthys, . . . etc.) Could anyone shed some light on this dilemma? (I am sorry if this has already been answered in the past.) Oh, and Happy New Year! Allen ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail | TheQuail at cthulhu.microserve.com riverrun Discordian Society | AOL: LordArioch c/o Allen Ruch | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: 315 Second Street | http://www.microserve.com/~thequail Enola, PA 17025 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Wed Jan 3 16:21:23 1996 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:21:23 -0800 Subject: HW (Nik): Sphinx vs. Anubian Lights In-Reply-To: <199601032045.PAA17220@ugly.Microserve.Net> from "The Great Quail" at Jan 3, 96 03:45:06 pm Message-ID: The Great Quail Queries: > I have recently acquired a Nik Turner CD from Cleopatra, called "Sphinx." > I have heard much discussion about one of his other CD's called "Anubian > Lights," which I have never been able to find. Could these two CD's be > one and the same? (The tracks on "Sphinx" start off with:The Awakening, > Thoth, God Rock, Anubis, Isis and Nepthys, . . . etc.) Could anyone shed > some light on this dilemma? No, they're pretty radically different. Sphinx is more kind of hard rock, while Anubian Lights (which I think is actually the group name) is much, much softer, kind of ambient. The Anubian Lights one seems to always be in stock at Tower around here. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jan 3 22:40:31 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:40:31 -0500 Subject: HW (Nik): Sphinx vs. Anubian Lights In-Reply-To: <199601032045.PAA17220@ugly.Microserve.Net> from "The Great Quail" at Jan 3, 96 03:45:06 pm Message-ID: The Great Quail writes: > I have recently acquired a Nik Turner CD from Cleopatra, called "Sphinx." > I have heard much discussion about one of his other CD's called "Anubian > Lights," which I have never been able to find. Could these two CD's be > one and the same? (The tracks on "Sphinx" start off with:The Awakening, > Thoth, God Rock, Anubis, Isis and Nepthys, . . . etc.) Could anyone shed > some light on this dilemma? The two CDs are not the same (I have both). "Anubian Lights" is, in fact, the name of the band; the CD is actually entitled _The Eternal Sky_. (Maybe this is why you are having trouble finding it?). _Sphynx_ is actually an updated re-recording of Nik's earlier solo album, _Xitintoday_. If it helps any, here is my Swannesque capsule review of _The Eternal Sky_: "Ambient techno from the pyramids!" I like both albums. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Jan 4 05:25:34 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:25:34 +0100 Subject: HW Palace Springs Message-ID: >> Bridget Wishard DIDN'T appear on this record !!!! > >This surprises me! Who then is doing the vocals on 'Back in the Box'? >Sounds like Bridget, and she *is* credited! Sorry, she DOESN'T appear on the Live tracks. My fault!! Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Jan 4 07:25:36 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:25:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Bootleg list Message-ID: Hi folks Here is a list of all HAWKWIND bootlegs I hope this is helpful for some fans who are looking after some HAWKWIND boots. CD = Compact Disc, R = Record (vinyl) Bootleg name Recorded Source ================================================= Spacerock from London 28.09.1972 CD Live-St.Albans 08.12.1979 CD Orgasmatron different dates CD Dawn of Hawkwind different dates CD Rock City 16.11.1993 CD Kings Of Speed, LoL 08.10.1991 CD Nova Drive different dates CD Damnation Alley 04.10.1989 CD Live At Stonehenge 22.06.1983 R Cyberspace Conspiracy 25.01.1990 R Live At Watchf. and Stoneh. different dates R Assasind Of Allah different dates R Live at the Bottom Line 06.03.1978 R Mind Journey 10.08.1975 R Undisclosed Files 27.11.1984, ?.12.88 R Golden Void 19.10.1982 R ================================================== From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 4 08:13:53 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:13:53 EST Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: > Deborah NEVER said Sony would be putting out Trepanation in February! But you > musta taken my advice to check out the bar-- and sounds like you found a > stronger brew there than I did! But you shoulda introduced yourself! You > woulda also met lots of famous BOC-Lers who made the trip-- among them, Mssrs > Rudich, Swartz, and the long lost Tox. It was great to see everybody! > Especially Jeff and Lorree, who stood all the way on the train from NYC! > Trepanation, as anyone who's been paying attention here, or coming to gigs > lately, knows, will be in stores in late January, courtesy of Ripe &Ready, > same outfit that distributed Eponymous. > I saw a copy of 'Eponymous' last Saturday at Lechmere, a big department store that occasionally surprises one with unexpected recordings. Blew my mind for sure. Also, saw a review of WOTT in 'Guitar World.' Very nice review generally praising BOC and lamenting their gradual eclipse. The reviewer cited the a capella intro to 'Golden Age' and remarked how cool it was for a rock band to write its own epitaph at the peak of their success. Which causes me to speculate. Why did a great band like BOC fall off the map so suddenly and so desperately? Black Sabbath still puts out an album every year, and somehow hangs together regardless of the quality of recorded output. How come they stay signed (albieit on small-ish I.R.S.) and the clearly superior B.O.C., who have many great songs already ready cannot? Did B.O.C's fans somehow desert them en masse, and if so, for what reason? They were very popular with their die-hard fans before and after the radio success of 'Reaper' and 'Burnin''. Was the loss of the Bouchard brothers somehow fatal to fan interest? Welcoming all comments and speculations... theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 4 08:40:19 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:40:19 -0500 Subject: What Happened to Underbelly/Brain Surgeons FAQ? Message-ID: Currently there is no Brain Surgeons FAQ that I'm aware of. Will there be one in the future? Maybe. At the moment, though, most of the info that I would have to put in a Brain Surgeons FAQ is already in the BOC FAQ. However, I would be willing to write one in the future if 1) there was a demand for one, 2) Deb/Al were supportive of the project, and 3) Deb/Al gave me lots of info to put in (otherwise it would just be cutting the relevant portions from the BOC FAQ and pasting them into the Brain Surgeons FAQ). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 4 09:01:43 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 09:01:43 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: Theo asks: >Which causes me to speculate. Why did a great band like BOC fall off the map so suddenly and so desperately? Black Sabbath still puts out an album every year, and somehow hangs together regardless of the quality of recorded output. How come they stay signed (albieit on small-ish I.R.S.) and the clearly superior B.O.C., who have many great songs already ready cannot? Did B.O.C's fans somehow desert them en masse, and if so, for what reason? They were very popular with their die-hard fans before and after the radio success of 'Reaper' and 'Burnin''. Was the loss of the Bouchard brothers somehow fatal to fan interest? Welcoming all comments and speculations... Haven't we beaten this topic to death in the past? No offense meant to Theo, but there's been alot of talk on BOC-L over the past year about this. But I will make a few comments on your question. 1. While not really relevant to the rest of my points, let me comment on Black Sabbath -- they may still put out albums every year, but that doesn't really mean much. Sabbath today is a mere shell of a shell of itself - only Tony Iomi is left -- he almost shouldn't call his "band" Black Sabbath (BOC, on the other hand, still has 3 of its original 5 members). But do you think Black Sabbath is that much more popular these days than BOC? My feeling is that BOC makes its money these days on touring (and royalties of past album sales, along with WOTT), while Black Sabbath makes more money by releasing albums. But hey, as I think has been said several times here, there really is nothing stopping BOC from releasing an album on their own - if they decide that's what they want to do and take the time to do it right. (and, I think that album will be released in '96, but that's personal speculation) 2. I don't think BOC "fell off the map so suddenly" -- it has been a fairly steady decline since 1981 or '82. It all started (IMHO) with the loss of Albert -- look at the songwriting credits (listed in the FAQ) and you'll see what a major influence he had on the band's material. Maybe not the radio hits, but the bulk of each album had his input (he used to come to the recording sessions with a whole album's worth of his own material). BOC had to rely more on outside writers after that -- "Revolution by Night" maybe didn't suffer too much since they probably had some material worked up for it before Albert left (also in the FAQ, you will find that it says that "Shadow of California" was based on a song that Albert had worked on for *Imaginos*), but look at the writing credits for *Club Ninja* - it was obvious that the band was having trouble coming up with enough quality material on their own. Also, hindsight has shown that BOC trying to make a more commercial sounding album was a major mistake. Through all of this times change, new bands emerge (which record labels and fans take more interest in, showing less for bands like BOC), and more personnel changes occurred in BOC. And, with no new material being released by the band, the fan base will continue to dwindle. I don't think that there was ever any "en masse" desertion by their fans - it's been a steady process over the last 15 years. 3. The Bouchard brothers were fatal to fan interest only in the sense that they were major contributors (especially Albert, as I've mentioned) to BOC's material -- when they left, alot of song-writing (not to mention instrumental) talent went with them, and the band has never adequately replaced that talent. John From Chris.C.O'Neill at APVXC1.PHARMACEUTICALS.ZENECA.TMAILUK.SPRINT.COM Thu Jan 4 09:18:29 1996 From: Chris.C.O'Neill at APVXC1.PHARMACEUTICALS.ZENECA.TMAILUK.SPRINT.COM (Chris O'Neill - ZC&TS (Tel 01625 515603)) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 09:18:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Bootleg list Message-ID: Nice list of Bootlegs. Do you have any indication as to the quality of the recordings. Chris O'Neill ------------- From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Thu Jan 4 09:33:32 1996 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 09:33:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Bootleg list Message-ID: Chris asks: > Nice list of Bootlegs. Do you have any indication as to the quality of the > recordings. the HAWKBRAWL '95 poll results seem worth repeating Cheers, Steve L. POSN TITLE POINTS LISTED FIRST LAST STDEV==== ===== ====== ====== ===== ==== ===== 1 Rock City 714 3 91 2 Hawkwind: Space Rock from London 701 11 6 1 94 3 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed CD bootleg 692 8 4 106 4 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 678 4 1 148 5 Assassins of Allah 676 5 1 75 6 Wierd Tape 4 586 6 1 140 7 Orgasmotron 584 7 2 132 8 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield 574 8 1 1 162 9 Wierd Tape 2 556 7 100 10 Stonehenge '83 544 6 77 11 Wierd Tape 5 539 7 154 12 Dawn of Hawkwind 539 4 1 168 13 Wierd Tape 1 535 7 150 14 Wierd Tape 8 525 6 154 15 Wierd Tape 6 521 8 2 164 16 The Golden Void 493 6 1 112 17 Wierd Tape 3 487 8 1 2 141 18 The Cyberspace Conspiracy 468 4 2 187 19 Wierd Tape 7 442 7 1 154 20 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line (NY 1978) 389 7 6 129 21 Live - St.Albans 1979 295 4 2 120: From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Jan 4 10:21:54 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:21:54 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: In a message dated 96-01-04 10:05:48 EST, you write: >Did B.O.C's fans somehow desert >them en masse, and if so, for what reason? They were very popular >with their die-hard fans before and after the radio success of >'Reaper' and 'Burnin''. Was the loss of the Bouchard brothers >somehow fatal to fan interest? Welcoming all comments and >speculations... >theo the loss of the Bouchard brothers took away from the creative quality of the music...after mediocre albums live RBN and the commercial Ninja (with no-brainers like "Make Rock Not War" and "Beat 'Em Up"), it was a sad thought that I had that these guys were finished...if they disappeared from the public eye, then it was deservedly so for releasing such terrible albums (overall, that is....Take Me Away and Perfect Water are some of the best work they ever put out...)... but hey, we all make mistakes...even Zep put out a terrible album (Presence..) I think these guys could get back in the mainstream with the new material...but, it won't be easy, especially if there's no interest from the record companies...the new material is great, and can stand up to Pearl Jam or 7Mary3... ROBO From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Jan 4 11:01:15 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:01:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Bootleg list Message-ID: Hello Chris, you asked for the recording qualities. Here they are: 1=shit 5=excellent Bootleg name Recorded Source Quality ====================================================== Spacerock from London 28.09.1972 CD 5 Live-St.Albans 08.12.1979 CD 2 Orgasmatron different dates CD 3 Dawn of Hawkwind different dates CD 3 Rock City 16.11.1993 CD 3 Kings Of Speed, LoL 08.10.1991 CD 4 Nova Drive different dates CD 4 Damnation Alley 04.10.1989 CD 5 Live At Stonehenge 22.06.1983 R 4 Cyberspace Conspiracy 25.01.1990 R 4 Live At Watchf. and Stoneh. different dates R 2 Assasind Of Allah different dates R 3 Live at the Bottom Line 06.03.1978 R 3 Mind Journey 10.08.1975 R ??? Undisclosed Files 27.11.1984, ?.12.88 R 5 Golden Void 19.10.1982 R 3 ================================================== Bernhard From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Jan 4 11:24:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:24:00 EST Subject: HW: Stage B Message-ID: \\joe, thanks for your answer to Chuck on the desirability of various semi official and boot CDs. I'd put myself in the Stage B level with Chuck (he has the lyric sheets though). So I will use your words to guide my buys also. As it happens, Yuri was one of my early, off the main path, buys and not one I play a lot. I've long wondered which of the Masters to get and how to make sure I don't get the wrong one if I have to order. Now I know. Rudy From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Jan 5 14:30:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:30:00 PST Subject: BOC Decline Another Source of Information Message-ID: >Theo asks: >Which causes me to speculate. Why did a great band like BOC fall off >the map so suddenly and so desperately? >Haven't we beaten this topic to death in the past? No offense meant >to Theo, but there's been alot of talk on BOC-L over the past year >about this. But I will make a few comments on your question. As an oldtimer John you have probably seen and commented on about thirty of these; you can probably recite these things while sleeping. I'll offer this to you Theo on the subject as I agree with most of what John and other's have said in the past, check out the All Music Guide which has a chronological review of all BOC releases thru Cult Classics. The same person provides commentary on each effort. Will take you about 10 minutes or so to read it but it offers some really good insight on BOC's musical direction and struggles. Some of the interesting points the author makes are: 1) While classified a heavy metal band BOC never really was one. 2) He spends some time (chronologically) discussing the departures of Al, Alan, Joe, Alan's return and the host of other players since the dissolution of the original lineup. 3) The constant switch of producers and directions after AOF. Commercial vs arena rock/heavy metal. 4) The irony of Imaginos being the truest statment of what BOC really was and how it really wasn't a BOC record at all While I can't recall the actual statement I belive he also alludes to Don't Fear the Reaper as the Bands Swan Song ironically written years before the official decline of the band. Just another source for opinions as to why the band has gone or is perceived to be a group way past its prime. As a bonus the guide also tells you which albums went gold, no actual numbers provided however. AB From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Jan 4 13:56:28 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:56:28 -0500 Subject: Glastonbury 96 cancelled Message-ID: The Electronic Telegraph Thursday 4 January 1996 Home News [Home News] Glastonbury gives pop a miss for '96 By Colin Randall THERE will be no Glastonbury pop festival this year, much to the relief of the Somerset villagers. But the farmer who has run Europe's biggest open-air event of its kind for 25 years said yesterday that his decision had nothing to do with his hopes of becoming a local Labour MP. Insisting that the festival would return in 1997, Michael Eavis said: "We want a rest for the farm and family, the cows and the village. We need to pause and let people go somewhere else." Mr Eavis, 60, of Worthy Farm, Pilton, is prospective candidate for the cathedral city of Wells, in which Labour trailed in third place, 22,000 votes behind the Tories, in 1992. He said that Labour supporters had assured him that his popularity would increase by running the festival this year - a possible election year. He hoped that a festival-free year would enable talks to be held on increasing the official daily attendance limit, invariably breached by thousands of gatecrashers, from 80,000 to at least 100,000. Ann Goode, 64, whose 10-acre garden adjoins the site, welcomed the respite, but called for the event to be abandoned. Mr Eavis's decision will disappoint charities and campaigns which benefit from his donations from festival receipts. Peter Gold, the prospective Liberal Democrat candidate, said: "I wonder whether new Labour would not want a prospective parliamentary candidate involved with Glastonbury in a possible election year." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ET | Front | News | World | Features | Sport | City | What's new | Help | ET search | Gazette | Back ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply to Electronic Telegraph - et at telegraph.co.uk Electronic Telegraph is a Registered Service Mark of The Telegraph plc From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Jan 4 14:03:06 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:03:06 EST Subject: New Nikwind appearance: Ambient Time Travellers Message-ID: Just saw a new release at Best Buy, but I (so far) resisted my "Hawkwind Stage C" impulse to pick it up. The title was "Ambient Time Travellers", on the Hypnotic label (Cleopatra). It was a collection of about 8-10 songs from different Cleo artists. It is stickered as containing "early Hawkwind members". Pretty quick getting it into the stores also, it is dated 1996! Topping the tracklist is Anubian Lights doing "Soul Herder". Also listed is The Brain (Tommy Grenas and Paul? Fox) doing another tune, and Dark Matter (Helios Creed) on a third song, and a few more that have no HW connection (known to me, that is :-). No mention whether the A.L. song is different in any way from the other appearances of this song... Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Thu Jan 4 16:42:40 1996 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:42:40 -0500 Subject: Praise Space Electric CD for sale/trade Message-ID: Like the subject says I have 2 Leaving Demons by Praise Space Electric on Delerium Records for sale or trade. $15ppd in US. If you want to trade, I'll email my want list to you. David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) Why try holding back the wave? You'll only drown in the changes. You've got to learn to let go. Just let go and experience the flight. Try to see from a different side. If balance is the key, maybe we'll see A future understanding. - "My Global Mind" - QUEENSRYCHE From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Thu Jan 4 10:26:58 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:26:58 EST Subject: BOC fall off Message-ID: Theo, My opinion is that they (BOC) were too wrapped up in producing very high quality studio records. (and why they had to give fans three live ones over the span of 7 or 8 years is still a mystery to me.) Even today, regarding a new BOC effort, I think the overblown studio requirements that the band imposes on themselves is still an issue. Both from the standpoint of cost and time/effort. They should have focused more on what was their earlier succussful style. That like used on debut, TM, and ST. Once they started using high tech studios and costly production techniques it slowed them down. Their popularity and quality also fell off as a result, the songwritting I thought was their strength and it took a back seat to the studio prodcution. If I were to give them advice it'd be to jump back in with a bare bones studio jamming effort sans the electronic gimmicktry. RR From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Thu Jan 4 10:53:37 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:53:37 EST Subject: BOC fall off Message-ID: > decline since 1981 or '82. No. and it wasn't coincident with Albert leaving. It was, at the peak of their popularity, when following Specters we got SEE, then Mirrors, then CE. Three duds in a row! Sorry, but I think it's more accurate. RR From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Thu Jan 4 11:01:32 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:01:32 EST Subject: BOC fall off Message-ID: > Bouchard brothers were fatal to fan interest only in the sense > that they were major contributors (especially Albert, as I've mentioned) > to BOC's material -- when they left, alot of song-writing (not to.... Also in the sense that during live shows EB is even more center stage and one can only take so much of him. With the B's it really was a balanced act. Now it's just too much EB. RR From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Jan 5 20:23:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 17:23:00 PST Subject: BOC fall off/Live Albums Message-ID: RR Wrote > (and why they had to give fans three live ones over the span of 7 or 8 years is still a mystery to >me.) I always felt they were a better live band than studio group. The OYFOOYK tour left a permanent stain on my brain and is my favorite. Dosen't have the sound quality of the others but the rawness and energy is what appeals to me. Critics seem to prefer ETL and SEE; AMG guy blasted it for the "elongated songs", a style a lot of bands used in the 70's making live albums. {Other good things deleted} >If I were to give them advice it'd be to jump back in with a >bare bones studio jamming effort sans the electronic gimmicktry. >RR In my mind their is a happy medium between these two thoughts. The name of the guy escapes me but there is a producer who has worked with Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots and King's X who's unique style makes studio recordings sound more like live jam sessions. The Dogman cd by King's X really brings out this quality with power numbers such as Pillow. BOC doing See you in Black, Harvest Moon et. al. would sound terrific. I'll get the guys name and maybe someone can forward it to Eyes on AOL. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Jan 5 20:23:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 17:23:00 PST Subject: BOC fall off Message-ID: >Also in the sense that during live shows EB is even more center stage >and one can only take so much of him. With the B's it really was a >balanced act. Now it's just too much EB. >It was, at the peak of their popularity, when following Specters >we got SEE, then Mirrors, then CE. Three duds in a row! >RR Too Much EB? Nowadays, affirmative. CE a dud, well I like that one a lot. AB From henrik.hallgren at ORTV.SCA.SE Thu Jan 4 16:00:16 1996 From: henrik.hallgren at ORTV.SCA.SE (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:00:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Entropy tango Message-ID: Hi there ! Thanks Dave for the lyrics, I_ll read it right away here at my work. Perhaps collecting all the poems used in Hawkwind / Turner shows and records in one book is a future-project ? For me it_s back to my work, the last nightsfift this period ( thank god fo= r=20 that ). All the best Henrik From henrik.hallgren at ORTV.SCA.SE Thu Jan 4 16:00:17 1996 From: henrik.hallgren at ORTV.SCA.SE (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:00:17 +0100 Subject: Darxtar review. Message-ID: Hi there ! Great review Paul, I really like it. The album is very good so I think it deserves good publicity. I_m certain that their new album will be even better so stay tuned. I_ve heard four of the new tracks and they are the best ones I_ve heard from Darxtar so far, I_m sure Joe agree ? Bye for now Henrik From HWillman at AOL.COM Thu Jan 4 19:30:36 1996 From: HWillman at AOL.COM (HWillman at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:30:36 -0500 Subject: BOC fall off Message-ID: I don't normally do this, but what the hay! In a message dated 96-01-04 17:03:52 EST, RR writes: >No. and it wasn't coincident with Albert leaving. It may not explain everything, but it certainly explains a lot to me. Some seven years later we finally heard Imaginos. Some 15 years later it's clear the boy can still write, produce, play, and pick talent -- and all with impressive creativity and hard work. Funny thing is, those left in the band can still play exceptionally well (witness Buck especially). WHAT the difference is and WHY it happened has been discussed many times here, but I still think the band would not have fallen off had Al stayed. >It was, at the peak of their popularity, when following Specters >we got SEE, then Mirrors, then CE. Three duds in a row! Agree except for CE. A big fave of mine. I've felt the lull, album-wise, came after FOUO. >Sorry, but I think it's more accurate. I wouldn't be sorry -- accuracy in this sense is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I miss 'em. But I can still listen to the old stuff. -- Howard From des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM Thu Jan 4 20:20:14 1996 From: des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM (E F) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:20:14 -0500 Subject: BS at McGovern's In-Reply-To: <199601041340.IAA13481@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Jan 4, 96 08:40:19 am Message-ID: Just wanted to confirm if the Brain Surgeons are still on for sat. night. Mc Governs is down on the West Side, right? What time? Cheers-- --Eric From henrik.hallgren at ORTV.SCA.SE Thu Jan 4 23:04:28 1996 From: henrik.hallgren at ORTV.SCA.SE (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 05:04:28 +0100 Subject: HW: New bootleg Message-ID: God morning ! The clock is 2:38 AM CET when I write this message. Joe asked for someone to do a ranking of all boots/semi official boots/ boots compilations etc. etc. I_ve never payed so much attention to those records myself. I_m sure there=20 are someone with better knowledge out there. My next project is to do a booklet with all the poems that have been used=20 through the years. But that will not happen in the near future, perhaps in autumn=20 when I can find some time to work with it. First of all I have to collect all th= e=20 poems that I don_t have myself and that will probably take some time. I_ve of course=20 saved the poems that Bernhard and Dave posted on BOC-L, thanks boys! Cheers Henrik From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Thu Jan 4 23:45:46 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 23:45:46 -0500 Subject: BS at McGovern's Message-ID: Eric wrote: >Just wanted to confirm if the Brain Surgeons are still on for sat. night. right. >Mc Governs is down on the West Side, right? just west of Hudson Street. >What time? no sooner than midnight. Al From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Jan 5 00:08:04 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:08:04 -0500 Subject: HW: New bootleg. Message-ID: Joe, Much thanks for your help. Ah, I keep thinking that as I mature as a Hawkfan, the more I will understand, but it's still very blurry. But I really appreciate your comments. I'm trying to understand this Anthology/Acid Daze thing. These were only semi-official releases which contained compilations of songs from earlier semi-official bootlegs? Am I on the right track? Well I will definitely check it with you folks first before I touch any of those. Does any one know if there is such a thing as a Hawkcourse offered at any school or institution any where in the world? Someone once said that HW awere rated the 33rd most collectible band in the world. Well, they have way more releases by far than any other band I've ever collected... Chuck BLHA LBHA HELLO `[1;35;43mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Fri Jan 5 00:20:22 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:20:22 -0800 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties In-Reply-To: <199601041401.JAA17199@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: IMHO, the premature demise of BOC as a headliner-type of band was the typical nature of the music business to seize on a commercially popular band and jettison them after they fall out of the limelight. Not to imply that BOC has ever pandered very much to commercial success, but that the music and lyrics happened to strike a chord in the psyche of America at an opportune time. The American psyche moved on, but the faithful remain. In re Black Sabbath - I must agree that the band sells on the name rather than the material. Metalheads still like the old stuff, but I'm hardpressed to remember any of the new. - Passerby in Time Square From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Jan 5 06:09:58 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:09:58 -0500 Subject: BOC fall off Message-ID: > >>Also in the sense that during live shows EB is even more center stage >>and one can only take so much of him. With the B's it really was a >>balanced act. Now it's just too much EB. > >>It was, at the peak of their popularity, when following Specters >>we got SEE, then Mirrors, then CE. Three duds in a row! >>RR > >Too Much EB? Nowadays, affirmative. CE a dud, well I like that one a lot. > >AB > > At the time that Mirrors was released was also about the time I stopped listening for to BOC for awhile. Personally, I think that was there worst album. Imaginos brought me back. Duane -- " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Jan 5 05:33:47 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:33:47 +1100 Subject: HW: Bootleg list Message-ID: On 4 Jan 96 Stephen Lindsey wrote about Re: HW: Bootleg list: > the HAWKBRAWL '95 poll results seem worth repeating While on this topic, I've been thinking of suggesting that we start HAWKBRAWL '96, but didn't want to volunteer for all the work ;^) A. Soniqu=E9 -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 5 08:31:12 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:31:12 EST Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: > IMHO, the premature demise of BOC as a headliner-type of band was the > typical nature of the music business to seize on a commercially popular > band and jettison them after they fall out of the limelight. Not to > imply that BOC has ever pandered very much to commercial success, but > that the music and lyrics happened to strike a chord in the psyche of > America at an opportune time. The American psyche moved on, but the > faithful remain. > > In re Black Sabbath - I must agree that the band sells on the name rather > than the material. Metalheads still like the old stuff, but I'm > hardpressed to remember any of the new. > > - Passerby in Time Square I wonder what kind of venues Sabbath plays these days? Ther haven't played in my area in a long time. Can they still play stadiums, or are they doing club gigs? Their recent albums have been hit or miss. 'Dehumanizer,' featuring Ronnie James was a good album. But that was a one-off, and they're back to their 'third generation lineup. Tony martin is really probably the best singer they've ever had in terms of vocal quality, and he's a pretty good songwriter too. But somehow, there isn't much magic there. I wonder if BOC just has really high standards, and isn't content with putting out albums like the current Sab. stuff? Or has their creative well running a little slow? I haven't heard the 'new' stuff but others on BOC-L rave about it. It sounds to me like they can't get a record deal, at least not one that would satisfy them. This is what really amazis me, considering the dreck that sells millions of records nowadays. Of course, it's 'programmed' to sell. I just can't believe there isn't more of a market for quality music like BOC. theo From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri Jan 5 12:30:25 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:30:25 U Subject: BOC : Bridewell Taxis Message-ID: Here're the details of the tape I picked up with the DFtR cover version on it - if anyone's interested. Volume 12, Indie Top 20 TT012MC Distributed by RTM/APT On the tape itself is printed; "This compilation (p) (c) 1991 Beechwood Music Ltd." Running order is as follows: SIDE 1: The Charletons - Happen to die The Wendys - Pulling my fingers off The Dylans - Lemon afternoon Spirea X - Chlorine Dream Spacemen 3 - Big City St. Etienne - Nothing can stop us Candyland - Fountain of youth New Fast Automatic Daffodils - Get better The Bridewell Taxis - Don't Fear the Reaper ** Note ** - No brackets in title, (p) 1991 Stolen Records The Hoovers - Mr Average SIDE 2: Curve - Ten little girls Throwing Muses - Counting Backwards Kitchens of Distinction - Drive that fast Buffalo Tom - Fortune teller Manic Street Preachers - You love us Catherine Wheel - She's my friend Moose - Jack Levitation - Nadine Miranda Sex Garden - Gush forth my tears The KLF - Last train to Trancentral (the 1989 pure trance original) Possibly the track is still available as a single from Stolen Records, but I don't have any contact details for them. Sorry. Apparently, the album is (was?) also available as CD and double LP, and a video selection will be (is? was?) available on Indie top video take 7. Cheers, Rich. ** this. is. not. a. fish? ** From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 5 08:36:43 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:36:43 EST Subject: BOC fall off/Live Albums Message-ID: > >If I were to give them advice it'd be to jump back in with a > >bare bones studio jamming effort sans the electronic gimmicktry. > >RR > > In my mind their is a happy medium between these two thoughts. The name of > the guy escapes me but there is a producer who has worked with Pearl Jam, > Stone Temple Pilots and King's X who's unique style makes studio recordings > sound more like live jam sessions. The Dogman cd by King's X really brings > out this quality with power numbers such as Pillow. BOC doing See you in > Black, Harvest Moon et. al. would sound terrific. I'll get the guys name > and maybe someone can forward it to Eyes on AOL. > > AB AB, Are you thinking of Brendan O'Brien(Byrne?)? Trouble is, all his records sound the same, though he produced (and played on) country dude Billy Joe Shaver's latest album! What a trip. The dude's versatile for sure. theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 5 09:03:40 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:03:40 -0500 Subject: BOC fall off Message-ID: Ross says: >No. and it wasn't coincident with Albert leaving. It was, at the peak of their popularity, when following Specters we got SEE, then Mirrors, then CE. Three duds in a row! Well, BOC's popularity may have dipped in the '78 - '81 timeframe, but there was IMHO a much larger decline over the '81 - '86 period, and as I previously pointed out, that's associated with the loss of Albert. Sure, BOC's peak may have been '76-'77 (AOF and Spectres), but it was still strong through the rest of the '70's. I think other factors like the rise of disco and punk had more to do with BOC's decline during those times than BOC's albums -- which I have to disagree with you about "3 duds in a row". First of all, SEE is considered by many to be their finest live album, and was certainly a popular album during that time period (one might question the need for another live album, but it did sell very well), so I hardly think one can call it a dud. Mirrors, while it has it's fans and does have some good songs on it, was probably less of a commercial success, and when you compare it to AOF, then maybe you can call it a dud. However, CE is certainly no dud from a standpoint of BOC's music (maybe in terms of commercial success) - some very heavy stuff is on that album. Unfortunately, by this time, BOC was receiving little support from it's label for promotion, which I think is much more a reason for CE's lack of commercial success than it's musical content. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 5 09:17:38 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:17:38 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: Theo, I think that there's a combination of things happening with BOC's lack of a new album these days. I think the creative well is a bit slow (and again, that well was depleted in a big way with the loss of the Bouchards), and while they do have several "new" songs, I'm not sure if they have a whole album's worth of quality material - certainly the one's they've done live over the past 4-5 years are good, but it's not clear if there are others. It also sounds to me like they can't get a deal that would satisfy them (or maybe their management -- we used to bitch quite regularly about Steve Schenk on BOC-L as alot of us "old timers" seem to believe that he was doing little or nothing to help the band), but perhaps if they get a little ambition (or some pressure from their fans?) they'll release one on their own. As far as the "dreck that sells millions these days", well that's more a function of radio companies trying to satisfy what they feel the public is demanding. And how many kids listening to Pearl Jam and all the other big bands of today want to hear BOC? Sure, WE know that they've got quality music, but a major label isn't interested in trying to promote that to all the kids listening to Pearl Jam et al these days. But, listen to me sounding like my parents ("you kids these days don't know what good music is . . . turn off that crap you're listening to!"). John From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Sat Jan 6 12:45:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:45:00 PST Subject: BOC fall off/Live Albums Message-ID: > >If I were to give them advice it'd be to jump back in with a > >bare bones studio jamming effort sans the electronic gimmicktry. > >RR > > In my mind their is a happy medium between these two thoughts. The name of > the guy escapes me but there is a producer who has worked with Pearl Jam, > Stone Temple Pilots and King's X who's unique style makes studio recordings > sound more like live jam sessions. The Dogman cd by King's X really brings > out this quality with power numbers such as Pillow. BOC doing See you in > Black, Harvest Moon et. al. would sound terrific. I'll get the guys name > and maybe someone can forward it to Eyes on AOL. > > AB >AB, >Are you thinking of Brendan O'Brien(Byrne?)? Trouble is, all his >records sound the same, though he produced (and played on) country >dude Billy Joe Shaver's latest album! What a trip. The dude's >versatile for sure. >theo Ooops forgot to look at my Dogman cd but the name rings a bell. Very true about sounding alike but I only feel that way about his work with Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Pilots many people I know can't tell one group from the other. KX's Dogman cd dosen't sound like either of those except for the live quality feel. PJ and STP are pretty similar groups in overall sound but KX is unique so the effects not the same. As long as he could produce the live jam feel like BOC and TM, BOC's new stuff would shine right through and sound great. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Sat Jan 6 13:20:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 10:20:00 PST Subject: Theo and lack of quality music Message-ID: John Swartz responds to Theo> >Theo, I think that there's a combination of things happening with BOC's lack of a new album these days. I think the creative well is a bit slow (and again, that well was depleted in a big way with the loss of the Bouchards), and while they do have several "new" songs, I'm not sure if they have a whole album's worth of quality material - certainly the one's they've done live over the past 4-5 years are good, but it's not clear if there are others. I was busying a similar response about the new material and just how much there was/is when mail blew up. Cha-ching cha-ching adding to JS's thoughts, the small amount of new stuff is there and its really good too, but beyond even a first cd can they come up with more true or close to BOC type music for a second or third cd? JS>It also sounds to me like they can't get a deal that would satisfy them (or maybe their management -- we used to bitch quite regularly about Steve Schenk on BOC-L as alot of us "old timers" seem to believe that he was doing little or nothing to help the band), but perhaps if they get a little ambition (or some pressure from their fans?) they'll release one on their own. Agreed it will have to be an indy with no future commitments. Put yourself in say Sony's shoes. You agree to a one record deal with BOC, put out the new stuff and a whole generation suddenly discovers what they have been missing all these years. It goes gold, perhaps Platinum and what are you (Sony) stuck with? A bidding war for a suddenly hot band in a very volatile industry. If your Sony what you want is either options for future albums or a hard commitment for a few. One shot deal is too risky. To go the major label route BOC has to convince someone that their is a good poossiblity for more marketable music after the initial release. Looking at their history everything after AOF has been sporadic and inconsistent in terms of quality and sales. Would you bite on a band that no longer has the majority of its creative juices and who's members are either late 40's or early 50's. This is a business after all. > As far as the "dreck that sells millions these days", well that's more a function of radio companies trying to satisfy what they feel the public is demanding. And how many kids listening to Pearl Jam and all the other big bands of today want to hear BOC? Sure, WE know that they've got quality music, but a major label isn't interested in trying to promote that to all the kids listening to Pearl Jam et al these days. But, listen to me sounding like my parents ("you kids these days don't know what good music is . . . turn off that crap you're listening to!"). >John We disagree. Not all the dreck is bad, and really can only be bad to any indivdual based on their own personal definition of quality. Are there any BOC's HW's or Led Zepplins out there, maybe not to us but certainly to the record buying public there is. PJ is a really talented group. STP, Soundgarden, Live, Dave Mathews, Blues Travellers, King's X are all very good. Funny, King's X ,a band who lyrically are diametrically opposed to BOC, yet blessed with very skilled muscians who play a heavy hard style of rock, have had a career that mirrors (excuse the pun) BOC's. Critical acclaim, rabid fans, much credit for quality intelligent music, great live performances yet very little commercial success. Initially I said the parent thing to myself about some of these new groups, however when I wear my rebellious teenager hat they like BOC actually sound quite good. AB From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 5 12:38:03 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:38:03 -0500 Subject: Theo and lack of quality music Message-ID: No, I'm not implying that all of modern music is bad. There may be alot of crap out there (and because I mentioned Pearl Jam or any other popular band of today was not meant to imply that their stuff is crap_, but actually that's probably true of any era. Actually, music IMHO is neither "good" nor "bad" -- you either like it or you don't, and the fact that many people like a certain music doesn't make it "good" music, and neither does the fact that I don't like alot of modern music mean that it's crap. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 5 13:06:41 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 13:06:41 EST Subject: Theo and lack of quality music Message-ID: > No, I'm not implying that all of modern music is bad. There may be > alot of crap out there (and because I mentioned Pearl Jam or any other > popular band of today was not meant to imply that their stuff is crap_, > but actually that's probably true of any era. > > Actually, music IMHO is neither "good" nor "bad" -- you either like it > or you don't, and the fact that many people like a certain music doesn't > make it "good" music, and neither does the fact that I don't like alot > of modern music mean that it's crap. > > John Right you are! If a million people like something, it doesn't matter if it's 'good' or not. It obviously speaks to some need that the public has. And it's not confined to the present. Look at Kiss. Their music was/is simple and derivative, but it struck a vital nerve in all those adolescent males. Should 'Bridges of Madison County' be on the best-seller lists (don't get me going on that as a yardstick of respectability) for over a year? Must be. Someone has a powerful need to read shit like that, and the book, for whatever reasons, speaks to that need. Now, in the case of Pearl Garden et al, we need to determine if they speak to a discursive void, or whether that void was fabricated by MTV. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 5 13:11:18 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 13:11:18 EST Subject: Theo and lack of quality music Message-ID: > > We disagree. Not all the dreck is bad, and really can only be bad to any > indivdual based on their own personal definition of quality. Are there any > BOC's HW's or Led Zepplins out there, maybe not to us but certainly to the > record buying public there is. PJ is a really talented group. STP, > Soundgarden, Live, Dave Mathews, Blues Travellers, King's X are all very > good. Funny, King's X ,a band who lyrically are diametrically opposed to > BOC, yet blessed with very skilled muscians who play a heavy hard style of > rock, have had a career that mirrors (excuse the pun) BOC's. Critical > acclaim, rabid fans, much credit for quality intelligent music, great live > performances yet very little commercial success. Initially I said the > parent thing to myself about some of these new groups, however when I wear > my rebellious teenager hat they like BOC actually sound quite good. > > AB AB, the bands you list appeal to different groups. Dave Matthews/Blues Traveler harken back to the old days of the Dead and the Allmans (both curiously popular with young people) as opposed to Stone Garden et al, yet I suspect all those bands cited are of about the same age, and have a lot of fans of the same age. theo From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jan 5 13:49:08 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:49:08 +0100 Subject: HW: ...and Yet Another New Boot Message-ID: hi there, Hawksters, just heart there's ANOTHER CD-R-boot out. this one's is entitled _Timeless Paens From the Ongoing Rituals of Space_, which is probably the best *title* since _Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin_, no other compares thanks ;0) the tracklist is as follows: brainstorm / paranoia / down through the night / born to go / shouldn't do that / urban guerilla / you know you're only dreaming / 10 seconds of forever / 7 by 7 / time we left / masters of the universe / be yourself / sonic attack / silver machine / welcome this should be - haven't heard it myself yet - a better boot than the _Nova..._, and it should be taken from various gigs in the '80:ies and the 90:ies - which seems to be a bit stange if you look at the tracklist... this is made on the long living gold dye - the same as _Damnation Alley_ and the very last in the _Nova..._ bulk. anyone who's got any info? btw - my source still claims the _Nova Drive_ was only made in *less* than 40 ex. comments? anyone who's got other sources than I? \\joe\in_the_boot_area From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jan 5 13:49:14 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:49:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Nik playing with Clash and Damned members? Message-ID: hi, you soure to all knowledge in the Hawkworld! a friend of mine - a great Kollektor, but of the famous punk orchestra Clash have recently read in a punk (?) paper that Uncle Nik had played with Mick Jones / Clash and Tony James / Damned around 1976. there should be tapes existing from those sessions. anyone who knows anything? \\joe From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Jan 5 16:17:09 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:17:09 -0500 Subject: What Happened to Underbelly/Brain Surgeons FAQ? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-01-03 16:09:58 EST, you write: >Just tried to access Underbelly on line and either the URL has changed or >the page no longer exists. Robo, you there? > > still there...http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html it loaded fine on my Web Browser... re: the Chat Logs...I will have them uploaded in a few weeks...as well as info on the new BOC tour shirt.... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Jan 5 16:21:49 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:21:49 -0500 Subject: BOC fall off Message-ID: In a message dated 96-01-04 17:05:21 EST, you write: >Also in the sense that during live shows EB is even more center stage >and one can only take so much of him. With the B's it really was a >balanced act. Now it's just too much EB. > >RR I think EB does a good job as the "entertaining front man"...someone has to do it...and he's pretty funny at times "Is it Oprah Winfrey before she lost all that weight?" : } ROBO From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Sat Jan 6 19:45:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:45:00 PST Subject: Bad Music Message-ID: >No, I'm not implying that all of modern music is bad. There may be alot of crap out there (and because I mentioned Pearl Jam or any other popular band of today was not meant to imply that their stuff is crap_, but actually that's probably true of any era. >Actually, music IMHO is neither "good" nor "bad" -- you either like it or you don't, and the fact that many people like a certain music doesn't make it "good" music, and neither does the fact that I don't like alot of modern music mean that it's crap. >John Apoligies John if my response appeared to be directed strictly at you; what you indicate here is how I interpreted your thoughts. Good or bad is an individual decision on the part of the consumer. Not to belittle anyone who reviews movies, books or albums for a living, but in the end I wonder how much of their opinion is relied on by the average consumer in making a buy no buy decision. I buy based on what I hear. If I buy blind then I take my chances. It is only after I buy an album that I read reviews and thats only for comparison purposes. I can live with my batting average so far which is about 500. AB From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Jan 5 17:04:26 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 17:04:26 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: > >I wonder what kind of venues Sabbath plays these days? Ther haven't >played in my area in a long time. Can they still play stadiums, or >are they doing club gigs? Their recent albums have been hit or miss. > > Last summer Black Sabbath opened up for Motorhead at the Nautica Stage in the Flats in Cleve. It's not a big venue, maybe 600-700 people. ( This is just a guesstimate ) Duane -- " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Jan 5 18:27:00 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:27:00 EST Subject: OFF: total cost of CD-Recording (was Re: new bootleg) Message-ID: Apologies to those non-computer people on this list; the following contains no direct references to HW or BOC, but has been a hot topic of discussion lately. I have been doing ***LOTS*** of thinking about CD-Recordables, and have been checking into things a bit. Here is my list of required items in order to set up your own CDR system at home: Item Price Range -------------------------------------- ------------- Pentium PC (w/PCI bus) $2000 - $2500 Wide-SCSI2 controller card for PCI bus $ 250 - $400 Micropolis 4.3-Gigabyte "AV" hard disk $1100 - $1400 low-end 2x CD-Recorder (Pinnacle or HP) $1000 - $1300 possibly Corel CD-Creator software $ 70 - $120 decent-or-better sound card $ 300 - $600 audio mastering software $ 80 - $400 Consumables ------------- blank 74-minute CDR media @ $7.00 each round CD-labels for CDR media @ $.50 each Access to: ---------- - color printer (optional) - color scanner (optional) To make the final product even more professional, you would also require a Color Printer for the round CDR label and the front and back inserts, and possibly a color scanner to produce the artwork. You may also want to use some kind of page layout program, such as Quark Express or Adobe Pagemaker, and some cool fonts for the text. You cannot cut corners for your hard drive, or you will get regular "buffer underruns". The hard drive must be Fast-SCSI2 or Fast- and Wide-SCSI2 (Wide is faster, but not much more expensive). The hard drive must also be rated "AV" (for audio/video). These drives start at about $800 for a 1-GB, so a 4-GB (above) is a much better deal. The CDR unit itself could be one of the 3 low end units such as the Pinnacle Micro, the HP, or the Smart & Friendly unit. All are 2x, and if you get a hard drive like those described above any of these CDR machines will work. Note that all CDR units are currently SCSI, so this requires a good SCSI controller card for your PC. If you got a cheap CDR unit, the CD Mastering software that came with it will probably be insufficient. However Corel has an excellent cheap, easy-to-use package called CD Creator. You have to get the audio recording (typically an analog cassette) onto your hard drive, so you will need a good or great quality sound card (and a playback device connected to it to play the tape). A cheap sound card may cause drop-outs during your transfer to the PC. At least one company has put out a dedicated sound card specifically for recording analog audio to your hard disk, but this one-shot card is around $600. If you use DAT tapes, your job may get a little easier, though. Once the audio recording is on your hard disk, you will most likely need to "master" this in some way, to clean up any excess noise, cut out any bad patches, and bring out the music better. This kind of work is still as much art as it is science. PC-based packages to do this start around $80 for Wave for Windows, and go up from there. The key requirement is that your package must be able to edit the WAV file directly on the disk -- most packages are limited to the amount of RAM on your PC. The one good thing is that CDR blank media has dropped in price. It is actually cheaper than buying QIC-80 tapes! Working with CDR at work, we have settled on using a round sticker for labeling the actual CD itself. We use Quark Express to generate the label, print the sticker on a Tektronix Color Printer, and just slap it on the disk. This is cheap (we buy the pre-perforated CDR labels in quantity for 50 cents each), and allows you the flexibility to put anything you want on the label. Color printing may cost as much as $1 per page, if you do not already have access to a color printer. The other option is to silk-screen the CDs; this may be quite expensive for a small run of disks. And finally, you must have some audio tapes that you want to record...you know, the source material! The gist of all this is that, with an initial investment of between $4500 - $6000, you can produce music CDs from your own audio tapes for less than $9 each. When someone makes and sells these CDs for $30 each, they are making about $20 profit towards paying back their initial investment. If anybody has any further comments, questions, or discussions, feel free to Email me privately (or on BOC-L, if relevent). Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 5 19:23:23 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:23:23 -0500 Subject: boc:tonite on extra Message-ID: this may be un-interesting,but i was watching extra on tv-actually my wife was,and during one of their segments i heard as background music----godzilla into don't fear the reaper.the segment was on tori spelling and some new show or episode. oh well, just thought i'd share. rj From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Fri Jan 5 20:34:45 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:34:45 -0500 Subject: BOC fall off Message-ID: At 05:23 PM 1/5/96 PST, you wrote: >>Also in the sense that during live shows EB is even more center stage >>and one can only take so much of him. With the B's it really was a >>balanced act. Now it's just too much EB. > >>It was, at the peak of their popularity, when following Specters >>we got SEE, then Mirrors, then CE. Three duds in a row! >>RR > >Too Much EB? Nowadays, affirmative. CE a dud, well I like that one a lot. > > CE a dud ????? I think NOT ! Shawn From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Jan 6 01:54:08 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:54:08 -0500 Subject: Theo and lack of quality music Message-ID: On 5-JAN-1996 12:56:32.5 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >No, I'm not implying that all of modern music is bad. There may be >alot of crap out there (and because I mentioned Pearl Jam or any other >popular band of today was not meant to imply that their stuff is crap_, >but actually that's probably true of any era. >Actually, music IMHO is neither "good" nor "bad" -- you either like it >or you don't, and the fact that many people like a certain music doesn't >make it "good" music, and neither does the fact that I don't like alot >of modern music mean that it's crap. >John Hear hear, John. I have a strange view on this: I say if there's at least ONE fan out there of any band, song, form of music, whatever, and if the makers of the music pleased themselves, then it's worth something, no matter how much everyone else hates it... Chuck BLHA LBHA HELLO `[1;34;46mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Jan 6 11:23:50 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 11:23:50 -0500 Subject: Theo and lack of quality music Message-ID: In a message dated 96-01-05 12:44:19 EST, you write: >Actually, music IMHO is neither "good" nor "bad" -- you either like it >or you don't, and the fact that many people like a certain music doesn't >make it "good" music, and neither does the fact that I don't like alot >of modern music mean that it's crap. > >John > what IS crap is that certain bands don't get recognition...the Grammys are comin up...is Monster Magnet nominated? probly not...although I feel that their "Dopes" album is the BEST album I listened to in 95...I doubt that the people who nominate these artists look any deeper than top 40 radio or MTV.... have Blue Oyster Cult ever come close to being nominated for a Grammy? ROBO From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Sat Jan 6 12:59:01 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:59:01 EST Subject: HW: ... Yet another bootleg. Message-ID: Hi there ! Joe mentioned how many "Nova" cd's that was made; My source ( is it the same source we have Joe ? ) is 100% shure that only 36 was made. I'm just playing Keith Emerson "The christmas album", a great christmas album. No I'm not losing my mind :-)) . Cheers Henrik (another boot-addict) From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Sun Jan 7 19:15:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:15:00 PST Subject: Theo and lack of quality music - Robo & Crap Message-ID: In a message dated 96-01-05 12:44:19 EST, you write: >Actually, music IMHO is neither "good" nor "bad" -- you either like it >or you don't, and the fact that many people like a certain music doesn't >make it "good" music, and neither does the fact that I don't like alot >of modern music mean that it's crap. > >John > >what IS crap is that certain bands don't get recognition...the Grammys are >comin up...is Monster Magnet nominated? probly not...although I feel that >their "Dopes" album is the BEST album I listened to in 95...I doubt that the >people who nominate these artists look any deeper than top 40 radio or >MTV.... >have Blue Oyster Cult ever come close to being nominated for a Grammy? >ROBO Well said Robo. Aren't the Grammys based somewhat on commercial success? While awards like this are probably somewhat flattering to artist, the love of the fans is probably more appreciated. AB From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sat Jan 6 16:55:29 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:55:29 -0500 Subject: Theo and lack of quality music In-Reply-To: <199601051738.MAA17633@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Jan 5, 96 12:38:03 pm Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > Actually, music IMHO is neither "good" nor "bad" -- you either like it > or you don't, and the fact that many people like a certain music doesn't > make it "good" music, and neither does the fact that I don't like alot > of modern music mean that it's crap. Spoken like a true gentleman! Cheers, Paul (who feels the same way). obLittleKnownButNeverthelessScaryFact: If you look closely enough, you'll see that "The Brain Surgeons" is actually an anagram of "The Bilderbergers!" e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Jan 6 18:28:06 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 00:28:06 +0100 Subject: HW: ... Yet another bootleg. Message-ID: >Hi there ! > >Joe mentioned how many "Nova" cd's that was made; >My source ( is it the same source we have Joe ? ) is 100% >shure that only 36 was made. same source :0) >Cheers > >Henrik (another boot-addict) sk=E5l - \\joe From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sat Jan 6 20:26:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:26:00 -0500 Subject: HW NEws Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I hope that everyone on the list had nice holidays. I am sorry I had to miss the BS gig in Boston, but thanks to Rudy and Anne i will get to see it second hand! Anyway, Spoke with Chris and Mary Bruce of the Kadu Flyer and Chris said that HW are working on another live CD to be taken from the most recent europe tour 95' with Ron. I did not see any posts of the HW london show 12/22/95? I guess no one went? Anyone go to the show in Cleveland on Dec31st with F/i, Alien Planetscapes and HW guests?? SCott ObCassette: Kingston Wall- II From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Sun Jan 7 11:06:14 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:06:14 EST Subject: Nik Interview Message-ID: Hi there ! Enclosed with this mail is an interview made by me - Henrik and Joe. It was done at club Eldslandet 16/12-95 at the Nordic Nikwind event. I also want some help with the track-listing to a tape I bought at the gig; the tape is called ICU -Live and was a bootleg tape. Thanks in advance and enjoy the interview. Henrik and Joe From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Sun Jan 7 11:06:17 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:06:17 EST Subject: Nik Interview Message-ID: Interview conducted by Henrik Hallgren and Johan Edlundh. The interview was done at club Eldslandet in Jonkoping 16/12-95. F= fans (Henrik and Joe) N= Nik Turner (famous rockstar and a very nice guy) F: First of all, welcome back to Sweden Nik, it's a great pleasure for us to have you here, when was the last time ? N: Thankyou very much, it's great to be back and I also like to travel and see newplaces. The last time I was here was with Hawkwind back in 1975 when we played at Olympen in Lund. F: What are your plans for the future musically ? N: Well, since I'm interested in practically all types of music I'll try other styles and add elements of them to my own music. I think It can add a new dimension and perhaps develop space -rock. What I do know is that I will continue my work with Pressurehed and continue touring in North-America. But I would also like to do the same thing here in Europe, perhaps with DarXtar if that is possible. Not only to do regular tours here in Europe but also to play at festivals in both Scandinavia and Europe. When it's up to recordings there should be a new Anubian lights CD out soon with some new tracks as well as some remixes of older tracks. Also to be released early next year is a half live/half studio CD with tracks that I originally wrote for the Black sword album but Dave didn't want to deal with them. There are six new tracks and six live tracks from previous US-tours. I can also add that the tracks I wrote for Black sword was done after I've read the Elric-books, very interesting books as a matter of fact. There is also an ambient CD planned to be released in the future.As I mentioned earlier I like many types of music and I've lately been listening to African music, I especially like the percussion parts. Their music is much more complex but also very "easy" music. I've also been to India some time ago and I did record songs, temple music and wedding songs, I did also play alt- sax during the recordings in a minor mood. Let's see what will come out of that. My work with the all-stars back in UK will also continue so I'm as you can see involved in many different projects. F: From where do you get the inspiration ? N: It's a simple answer to that question - LIFE. F: Will ther be a reunion with Hawkwind, considering the fact that you both play heavy space-rock ? N: Not likely, I've lost a lot of respect for Hawkwind during the years. F: What about Doug Smith then ? N: We're coming along well and he want to release my back-catalog in the future and that would be great. F: Any plans to work with other ex-members of Hawkwind ? N: Yes, I'll do more work with Simon House ans also with Alan Powell and Del Dettmar. I can also tell you that he'sreally excited about playing space-rock again after a long absence in the Canadian forests. As Joe reported earlier it was a magic night for Hawkwind/Nik/DarXtar fans, and we still enjoy the tapes from the event very much. We did also talk a lot about other things as well but they may not be of interest for Hawkwind / Nik -fans. The concert and the interview was made possible thanks to Evert Wysell ( a big thanks ), Soren and the boys in DarXtar and of course Nik Turner. Also a hello to Jocke (I'm in charge here ). As reported earlier on BOC-L there are two records by Nik planned to be released this year, one from Dossier records and one from Cleopatra. Me and Joe also hope that the boys will continue with their plans for an European and Scandinavian tour later this year. We welcome any thoughts and comments on the interview with Nik Turner. There will also be a recension of the event in a few weeks time so stay tuned. Henrik Hallgren and Johan Edlundh From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sun Jan 7 08:56:49 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 08:56:49 -0500 Subject: Theo and lack of quality music Message-ID: >obLittleKnownButNeverthelessScaryFact: If you look closely enough, you'll >see that "The Brain Surgeons" is actually an anagram of "The Bilderbergers!" hmmmmm. I don't get it M From TheQuail at CTHULHU.MICROSERVE.COM Sun Jan 7 22:54:56 1996 From: TheQuail at CTHULHU.MICROSERVE.COM (The Great Quail) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:54:56 -0500 Subject: HW (Nik): Sphinx vs. Anubian Lights Message-ID: Thanks for clearing that up! I have no idea why I thought "Anubian Lights" was a Nik album. Allen ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail | TheQuail at cthulhu.microserve.com riverrun Discordian Society | AOL: LordArioch c/o Allen Ruch | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: 315 Second Street | http://www.microserve.com/~thequail Enola, PA 17025 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Jan 8 00:17:11 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:17:11 -0600 Subject: Nik Interview In-Reply-To: <960107160617_100522.44_JHB26-2@CompuServe.COM> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, Henrik Hallgren wrote: > F: What are your plans for the future musically ? > N: ...What I do know is that I will continue my work with Pressurehed and > continue touring in North-America. YES!!! :) :) > N: When it's up to recordings there should be a new Anubian lights CD out > soon with some new tracks as well as some remixes of older tracks. Also > to be released early next year is a half live/half studio CD with tracks > that I originally wrote for the Black sword album but Dave didn't want > to deal with them. This ought to be absolutely awesome. I am most definitely looking forward to this. > F: Will ther be a reunion with Hawkwind, considering the fact that you > both play heavy space-rock ? > N: Not likely, I've lost a lot of respect for Hawkwind during the years. ...as expected. Well, we certainly have plenty to look forward to, and with Nik you can be assured that us Yanks will be enjoying it just as much as the rest of all. I'm glad at least one Hawker has a decent amount of respect for his fans. OK, plus Alan and Del (can't vouch for any others, as I have not met them). Damon Capehart | The Society of Physics Students at UTD dcapehar at utdallas.edu | (yes, even though I'm actually a math major) -- Call the Physics Friends Hotline. -- -- Find out about your special density! -- From travsboc at CRL.COM Mon Jan 8 04:23:56 1996 From: travsboc at CRL.COM (S. F. Yee) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:23:56 -0800 Subject: BOC: Tom Petty, super fan? Message-ID: B.O.C. is mentioned not once but TWICE in the detailed booklet accompanying the mega 6-CD Tom Petty boxset "Playback." (ATTN cBS: this is the RIGHT way to put out a retrospective.) "Noah Shark and Max Reese were great (recording engineers)," sez guitarist Mike Campbell. "Really free, freaky wonderful guys that never produced records before but they sure as hell knew about rhythm, slapback echo, spacey trippy wonderful sounds...And they really loved records. I remember one of Noah Shark's favorite records was 'GODZILLA' by BLUE OYSTER CULT. He just played that forever because the rhythm was so tight." And the other mention..."Shelly Yakus made a huge contribution to all those records," Petty says about the "Damn the Torpedoes" sessions. "He's a somewhat legendary engineer. "He taught us so much. He's a little older than us and therefore commanded a little more respect. He was just tireless. He would constantly be hooking up another amp. Shelly actually worked on the "Big Pink" album. He did Alice Cooper, Grand Funk, 'DON'T FEAR THE REAPER,' John Lennon...Shelly could always think of ways to make unusual sounds." Okay okay, so only Cult recording engineers were praised. S.F. looking forward to seeing B.O.C. @the Konocti Harbor Resort in Kelseyville CA (1/26), Maestro's (1/24) in San "rockin'" Ramon, CA -or- The Edge (1/28) in Palo Alto (what, no Slim's in downtown Frisko???). wow. From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Mon Jan 8 07:52:07 1996 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 12:52:07 +0000 Subject: hw: bob calvert pomes Message-ID: firstly, a happy new year/sun/etc to one and all &c. okay, i saw at the end of last week some reference being made to bob's pomes; as i missed the beginning ov this thread i don't know what was going on (and as i couldn't get into the boc-l archives) anyways, whilst 'tidying' my stuff over the hols (well shifting various piles of things to less conspicuous locations, i came across New Worlds 10 (ed. Hilary Bailey), pub. by Corgi 1976) as well as various shorts by New Worlds regulars: Moorcock, Bayley (non-fic by Disch & Clute) there's a pome by our cap'n bob and some "interesting" notes on contributers. For those interested, here's the notes on bob'n'mike m. and bob's pome: Michael Moorcock "... [book stuff snipped] ... He occasionally performs with the rock band Hawkwind (for whom he writes) and has made an album with his own band The Deep Fix (New World's Fair)" "Robert Calvert is a poet and musician, singer with the heavy rock group, Hawkwind. His latest album is called Lucky Leif and the Longships (with Michael Moorcock on banjo)." [Fuck, it sounds frightening left like that] oh yeh, and this bit in Michael Butterworth's entry, "He has just completed a novel, Time of the Hawklords ('Hawkwind rocking at the end of time',) in collaboration with Michael Moorcock" So, Moorcock was a collaborator on that, there's one for his cv ;-) anyway, much more interestingly, Bob's Poem: THE NAKED AND TRANSPARENT MAN GIVES THANKS Amid the folding of all greenness left I give my thanks, whose-heartedly*, for life. For this vermillion tapestry, warp and weft of the blood-vein's fabric. Its threads are rife, conspicuous; easy meat for knfe or microbe and the many ills that kill, and yet are stubborn and abundant still. With ruins of ages around me, strewn like wreckage of an unsuccessful Probe among the craters of a wasted moon, I extend my thanks for this living robe and its pulsing weave, to the moth-holed globe, and unravelling, almost threadbare sky of the failing sun, under which i lie. *whose-heartedly - typo?, whole-heartedly? From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Mon Jan 8 07:57:12 1996 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 12:57:12 +0000 Subject: off: PT TRANSMISSION # 16 -Forwarded Message-ID: ** Reply Requested by 1/1/1970 (Thursday) ** okay, attached (and if it screws up, sorry, but thats wordperf off for you, soon we are to switch to pegasus, ohh, thank you mighty hawk ones) is an interview with the porky tree for those interested.... Date: 12/20/1995 10:16 pm (Wednesday) From: staff.SMTP."delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk" To: staff.accad(sadm771),staff.SMTP("jp at deadhead.geac.co.uk","doveren at knoware.nl","awol at cix.compulink.co.uk","rbeck at hgmp.mrc.ac.uk", . . . Subject: PT TRANSMISSION # 16 Received: from mail.bogo.co.uk (mail.bogo.co.uk [193.112.164.3]) by unix2.derby.ac.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA12475 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:14:50 GMT Received: from delerium.bogo.co.uk (delerium.bogo.co.uk [193.112.165.213]) by mail.bogo.co.uk (8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA24744; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:16:05 GMT X-Sender: delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" PORCUPINE TREE - TRANSMISSION # 16 Just a quick one... as the last Transmission of the year - hope you enjoy this early interview with the Tree! We're away from tonight, but will bring details of the Athens gig early in the new year - hope ya all have a good time! Cheers Ivor CROHINGA WELL Issue 2 - PORCUPINE TREE INTERVIEW Our lysergic dream juke box.... .... at the centre of the universe Just imagine, out there in the vast universe, alien lifeforms tapping our radio & TV broadcasts. What an embarrassing spectacle we are offering them, especially if they're able to receive MTV or one of the Top 20 radio shows. In order to save earth's reputation, we dreamed up a "cosmic juke box" which is placed at the centre of our galaxy and which sends its vibrations through every planetary system. Every so many months we send a capsule with fresh tunes, representing the better side of earth's music. Our first load of singles and EPs is quite impressive: as a number one in our chart we got a brand new release by Porcupine Tree, a single which lasts more than 30 minutes and describes the effects of LSD on the human mind. The title is "Voyage 34" and the press release gives us the following info: "Voyage 34 breaks through at Chill out factor 34 and rising. Space rock smashes into ambient house and the two are destroyed in a flash of white light. Porcupine Tree survives the impact and steers past the debris in a psychedelic ship that runs on sheer mutant orginality. It's a race for the outer limits at warp factor 10. Can you handle it?" "Voyage 34" is released as a 12" single/CD singel on Delerium Records. This is the playlist of our cosmic juke box> 1. Porcupine Tree / Voyage 34 (12" single) 2. Soma / Warped (cassette EP) 3. Magic Mushroom Band / Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun (12" single) 4. Paul Chain / Violence of the Sun (17" single) 5. The Alchemysts / Stoned in Jerusalem (cassette EP) 6. Ballyhoo / S.F. Sorrow (10" EP) 7. Cul De Sac / Sakhalin (7" single) 8. Pond / Young Splendor (7" single) 9. Jasmine Love Bomb / An announcement (7" EP) 10. Wig Torture / Didn't I tell you (7" EP) Space is deep. Marc The Porcupine Tree Grantchester Meadows Revisited British psychedelic music has definitely been on the rise these last few years, growing in quality as well as in variety. Out of this chaotic, throbbing cauldron of lysergic sounds (he's been at the mushrooms again, ed.) and day-glo lights, two names have risen to the status of huge underground success. The names we're referring to are of course the Bevis Frond (representing late guitar-orientated psychedelic rock) and the Ozric Tentacles (responsible for a renewed interest in the Hawkwind/Gong type of seventies spacerock). I think we may safely say that last year, a third name of some importance has reared its head: The Porcupine Tree, whose sound seems modelled on the musical concepts of the early seventies British psychedelic/progressive rock scene (images of The Pink Floyd spring to mind). I spite of the fact that The Porcupine Tree has been the proud father of three releases to date (the two C90 cassettes "Tarquin's Seaweed Farm" and "The Nostalgia Factory", both in 1991, plus this year's release of the double album "On the Sunday of Life"), very little is known about this new, rather intruigueing musical act. Our very own Crohinga Well flying reporter visited England this summer, and with the help of Richard Allen (of Freakbeat magazine fame) arranged a meeting at the latter's home, a meeting with someone who should be ale to lay bare the essence of The Porcupine Tree for the Magic Mushroom radio show. Outside, the sun was shining, the birds were singing, and England was enjoying a hot summer weekend (the last one this year, so I've heard). Talk about "Sunday of Life"! And so we did ... the Sony Walkman was put on "record", resulting in the following conversation being taped for posterity, transcribed here for the perusal of our readers. MM First of all, hello Porcupine Tree and welcome to the Magic Mushroom radio show. PT Hello Marc, it's a pleasure to be here. MM One of the questions a lot of people are asking themselves is "What's the real name of Porcupine Tree?" PT The real name of Porcupine Tree? Em. What makes you think that Porcupine Tree is a pseudonym? MM All the information that was available about Porcupine Tree so far seemed to point towards one person behind it all. But on the other hand it could be wrong of course ... PT You could be very wrong, and I'm gonna leave it fairly vague for the time being, yeah. Porcupine Tree for the moment certainly is gonna remain as a title of a project rather than referring to anybody individual or a group of individuals; it merely serves as a title of a project, and that project may well be a solo project at the moment, but it could equally become a group project in the future, so I'm kind of reluctanct to set down any rules as far as who is or may not be The Porcupine Tree for the time being. MM But I can assume that you play a very important part in this project? PT You can assume that, yes. You can assume that the project has a mastermind behind it and that person is myself, for the moment, although, again, that may change in the future. MM Okay. The music that's available at this time can be found on two cassettes and one double album, right? PT That's right, yes. MM It has, let's say a quite special form for these days. PT Mm. MM And why did you choose this form. Is there a story behind it, I mean is it just your own personal choice, an old childhood dream come true... ? PT You could say that yes, I mean I obviously listen to a lot of music that I suppose you would consider to be in the same genre (psychedelic music and/or progressive music), but I think one of the reasons why possibly Porcupine Tree's records are being perceived of as slightly more adventurous, and having slightly more scope than some other records in the field (at least that's the way I feel about them), is because I also listen to so many other types of music as well, including jazz, classical, and also a lot of contemporary popular and rock music as well. You'll notice that all the things I put out, whether they be the cassettes or the albums, have always been quite long; in fact the two tapes are both double album length, and I feel that that particular format suits the Porcupine Tree music, because there's incredible diversity in the styles that I actually move through when I'm working on a Porcupine Tree record. So you are moving from complete ambient soundscapes to almost cheap psychedelic pop, and then moving through a jazz improvized instrumental section and then on to something completely different. So I find the double album format suits that range quite well. MM So could we say you have a preference in music towards the, let's say, the early seventies type of progressive because in those days double concept albums floruished like flowers in a field. PT You could say that I have a preference for that principle, that idea, the idea of a double concept album is one that appeals to me. But that doesn't necessarily mean that I'm a great fan of a lot of the records that came out in that particular area. I mean, obviously there are a few excellent ones, but there were also a few that I would consider to be very, very poor indeed. MM Yeah, some of the worst ever made, like "Tales From Topographic Oceans". PT "Tales Of Topographic..."; I think The Who's "Tommy" is a very poor record, but then of course there are great masterpieces in that field as well, things like Pink Floyd's "The Wall", which is a great record, and also there are the double albums that aren't necessarily concept albums, which I think ae great records, like Can's "Tago Mago"; the first Pink Floyd double album, "Umma Gumma", is a very, very big influence on my music. In fact I always used to tell people that the main reason for The Porcupine Tree coming about was an unnatural obsessino with that particular Pink Floyd record, because I did have an incredible obsession with that record, when I was young, and still do, to an extent. MM I'm glad to hear it, because it's one of my favourite albums of all times. PT It's certainly in my top 10 of all time, yes. MM How do you write your songs or compositions, I mean, do you start from the lyrics or do you start from a piece of music? PT I don't actually write the majority of the lyrics. One of my collaborators in The Porcupine Tree, I was a big vague about who actually takes part in the project, but there is at least one other person who contributes the lyrics, a chap called Alan Duffy, who actually runs his own record label, called Imaginary Records, up in Manchester. He's contributed the lyrics to most of the material, so in that sense I always have the lyrics first. But having said that, I never actually sit down with the lyrics and write the music to go with it; I write the music and then look through my folder of lyrics, and actually pick out the lyric that I think suits the mood, or the feel, or the direction that I want to take with a particular song. That's certainly been the case of up till now, it's a case of marrying the two elements up when they're both fairly near completion. MM Mm. I see. So you couldn't say that your songs were very personal? PT I always produce the tapes and records myself. I'm very much in control; as I've already made the point I very much know how I want to record the sound. So I have this idea in my head, this overall conception of how the record should sound, so really I'm sitting there in the producer's chair and I'm responsible for trying to realise that sound, the sound I hear in my head, putting it onto tape. I'm very lucky that I have my own sixteen track recording studio; I said I'm very lucky, I've actually built it up over a period of time, by working, working hard to make the money to actually buy that equipment, but I always saw that as a major priority, to build my own studio, because I knew that was the only way I could actually realise the ideas that I had. Because some of it, as you can probably realise by listening to the record, is the result of a lot of experimentation. MM Yeah. PT And you get to hear the end results of that experimentation, but I also make a lot of mistakes along the way, and I'm in the fortunate position where I'm not paying to make those mistakes I can make those mistakes and discard them, without having to worry about the financial implications of doing that. So, for a record like "On The Sunday Of Life" I would record maybe twice as much material as I actually eventually use, and that will apply to all the future recordings as well. MM Since you're getting your lyrics from Alan, would you say that it's possible for you to reflect your own dreams, your own thoughts in your music? PT Absolutely, yeah, I mean I think the performance, on guitar particularly, is just as expressive, from my own point of view, as actually singing a lyric. I mean, okay, you don't have an actual narrative there, you don't have words, but it's possible for yo to be just as expressive when you play the guitar, or a keyboard solo, or anything like that. I don' t feel that personal expression is the sole property of a singer or a lyricist. MM I see. PT Also, I should make the point that I do write some of the lyrics, if I do have a particular idea that I want to get across, which has been the case with "Radioactive Toy": there was actually something I wanted to get across very strongly, so I did write my own lyrics to "Radioactive Toy". So there are exceptions to the rule. MM I see. Do you play all the instruments? PT I can play all instruments. As I said, I do like to involve collaborators from time to time, and there are collaborators on the record. There are other guitarists, other instrumentalists, but on some tracks, yes, I do tend to overdub all the instruments myself. MM Drums as well? PT The drums are not really drums, for the most part. They're programmed, using samplers and drum machines. MM Of course, some people prefer live drums on a recording... PT I know a lot of people prefer live drums. I like live drums in some contexts; in other contexts, I do prefer the programmed drums. I think it's very important, particularly in view of ... in the spirit of which progressive and psychedelic music was originally made. And I feel that in the nineties and the eighties it's lost some of the spirit which it was originally made in, in the sense that you're continually absorbing the new technology, the influences of the day, and trying to use them in your own musical scenario to make something fresh, and that's why I embrace technology, to try and use it in a psychedelic format and create something completely new out of it, by combining the contemporary technology with the sixties and seventies ideals of progressive and psychedelic music. MM The two cassettes that were released last year on the Delerium label, "Tarquin's Seaweed Farm" and "The Nostalgia Factory", were they recorded in the same period? PT No, in fact there was a difference in time between them; they came very soon after each other. "Tarquin's" was started in late '87 and finished in early '89, and "The Nostalgia Factory" was begun immediately afterwards and finished in late 1990. As you know "On The Sunday Of LIfe" draws fairly heavily on those two cassettes. We sat down and we selected what we felt were the strongest, most successful pieces from those two tapes. And remember those two tapes actually amount ot the equivalent of four LPs worth of material, so we selected the best 80 minutes of music, but we also did substantial remixing. In the case of this one track, "Radioactive Toy", we competely re-recorded and re-constructed the music, qand in fact we doubled its length in the re-recording from about 5 to 10 minutes. MM Why were there booklets with the cassettes? PT Why were there booklets? Well, originally, when I did the cassettes, they were very much just the projects that had been realised in a studio by one person - myself , and I thought it was a shame there wasn't any particular history to go with the cassettes, kind of like one guy, in his studio, making the music he loves. So I created this complete history from scratch, this imaginary band, which I thought was fun at the time; I didn't have particularly high expectations of the tapes at that point, I just thought it'd be nice if they sold, you know a hundred copies, of these tapes, and I was quite happy for that to happen, so I created this booklet just to give something for people to actually read when they're listening to the tapes, you know. Some sort of bogus history of this imaginary band. MM Yeah, it confused a lot of people. PT It confused a lot of people, and I think that's quite positive in a way as well, because it gets people talking about you, and actually thinking about you. Nothing would have been worse for me than for people to have maybe played a track of the tape on the radio, and said, "Oh, well, that's Porcupine Tree, and that's all I can tell you about them." So it's kinda nice that there was actually some kind of information for people to talk about; whether some of it was entirely true or not was another matter. MM You already mentioned the song "Radioactive Toy"... PT Yes. MM It's something special to you... I mean... I got the impression there was some, let's say, a hidden form of politics, political comment in it. PT Yes, there were. That piece was very much about something that's probably not so relevant these days, but, you know, even as recently as three or four years ago the nuclear weapons sitation was quite serious, certainly I was quite concerned about it, and I'd also been very influenced by the later Pink Floyd records, which are very obsessed with war, and the threat of nuclear war. And also some films along the lines of "Apocalypse Now", and there was a film that was shown in Britain, I don't know if you had it in Belgium, "Threads..." MM Yes, I know, I remember it. PT "Threads", excellent film about the aftermath of a nuclear war. And I found that quite terrifying. That's why I wrote the lyrics to "Radioactive Toy", which originally formed part of a very long suite of pieces, called "Precious Memories in Freefall", but that particular suite of music was abandoned a long time ago. I felt that particular lyric was quite strong, however, quite powerful, so I took it forward and I adapted it for that piece of music. And that piece is no exception, in the fact that the music came before I necessarily felt those lyrics should go with the music. When I heard the music back it was quite sombre, quite dramatic, and the lyrics seemed to fit very well over the top. MM I'm glad I got it right, anyway. PT Yes, it sounds like you did. MM Yeah, because when I heard it for the first time on cassette, for a moment I saw the face of Reagan on top of it. PT Yes. Yes. Well, I'm glad that I actually got that point, or that mood across. MM Another song which intrigued me a lot is "And The Swallows Dance Above The Sun". PT Yes. MM It's something completely different, well, not only from the point of view of the music, but is there any particular point in the lyrics, basically? PT Well, that's a lyric that I wasn't responsible for, but I can tell you how I feel when I sing those words, or when I actually interpret them with the music. It's a song very much about loneliness; it was originally called "Like Ice On The Sun", when Alan first sent it to me but he retitled it later, "And The Swallows Dance Above The Sun". I think it's very much about being drowned, drowned in a kind of a banal, uninteresting life, just this feeling of sitting at home while the world goes on around you outside. And it's like this image, of "And The Swallows DAnce Above The Sun", there are these incredible things happening outside in the world, and I'm just sitting here, drowning in boredom. And if you actually read a lot of his other lyrics, they are about this sense of drowning in the mundane. There's a song called "Linton Samuel Dawson", and the final refrain of "Linton Samuel Dawson" is, "he aids escape to tranquility from the boredom of mankind". Now, what is the ... to be be in this situation in this particular song, well in that situation it's a kind of release from boredom through taking a drug, in this case LSD, "Linton Samuel Dawson", LSD, it's the old "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" trick. So not particularly on original idea, but I felt that it was a quite interesting lyric, it was this idea of escaping from the mundanities of life by exploring use of drugs, and so that final line "he aids escape to tranquility", the "he" in that sense is the drug or this fictional figure "Linton Samuel Dawson". So a lot of Alan's lyrics are about this escape from boredom, and I think "And The Swallows Dance Above The Sun" is very much that theme again. MM "Jupiter Island", for example, which is very joyful, is a completely different kind of song. PT Mm. Well, "Jupiter Island" is one of those songs that I would put into the category of pure psychedelic pop. And the lyric is not particularly meaningful, there's no deeper meaning there, it's really just an exploration of various psychedelic images, and if you read the lyric it reads just like a kind of a series of images, that again you might experience under the influence of some drug. So it's really just a psychedelic poem set to music, which I have to say is very inspired by the very early Pink Floyd, you know like the kind of nursery thyme quality that pieces like "Scarecrow" and "The Gnome" had to them. A kind of Syd Barrett nursery rhyme quality. Also, I remember when I did that piece, I'd just been listening to a track by The Dukes Of Stratosphear, called "Bike Ride To The Moon", which you may know... MM Yeah. PT Which obviously in itself is a pastiche of another type of... MM Very well done! PT Very well done, I mean I love XTC as well, they're one of my favourite bands, very clever; and I just listened to "Bike Ride To The Moon" when I came to do "Jupiter Island", and I think they're quite related actually. MM Aren't you afraid a bit... I hope you don't care, but aren't you afraid a bit that with all these psychedelic lyrics etc. you're going to be categorised among, let's say, the old monsters, I mean, that people are just gonna write you off as an old hippie... PT Yes, that does worry me, I mean, I will be honest: that does worry me, but I would also say that there is an element of that in the past, which you shouldn't necessarily take it as granted that that will continue in the future. As I must confess that when I started The Porcupine Tree it was very much a fun thing, it was just making music because I loved the idea of making music. I've reached a point now, about four or five years on, where the records are beginning to be taken seriously bby the people who listen to them. I'm obviously aware of the fact and I'm beginning to take the music seriously myself, so you could draw an analogy between The Pink Floyd story again. You could say that on the early Pink Floyd albums the lyrics wre fairly meaningless, they were just nursery rhyme lyrics; when you look five years on you got works like "Dark Side Of The Moon", which are incredibly politically aware, and also very, very dark in their imagery. I'm also looking to explore the area more fully in the future, but without losing a degree of that tongue in cheek quality. I always thought it Pink Floyd ever had one fault, it was that they took themselves a bit too seriously. MM They got a bit humourless. PT They got a bit humourless, and I don't want to lose that sense of humour, but on the other hand, it's a case of striking a balance between, I think, pieces which people can just listen to for pure pleasure, and pieces which people can listen to to make them think, which will actually provoke thought, provoke comment, or confront people's preconceptions or expectations. Pieces like "Radioactive Toy", you know, and I think they can they can coexist on the same record, a piece like "Jupiter Island" can coexist with a piece like "Radioactive Toy". I like that diversity; some people might not like that diversity. People might come and say, 'I like "Radioactive Toy", but what's this psychedelic pop crap you've got on the record', or alternatively people might say, 'I love the psychedelic pop, but what's all this pompous serious crap you've got on the record', so I realise I'm never gonna satisfy everybody, but I'm out to satisfy myself primarily, so if I like making diverse records then I will continue to do so. MM "The Nostalgia Factory", the title track of your second cassette... PT Yes. MM I think there's a story behind this. PT There is a story behind "The Nostalgia Factory": the title of "The Nostalgia Factory" was not the title that Alan originally sent me the lyric with. I wanted to call the album "The Nostalgic Factory", or the second cassette, rather, "The Nostalgia Factory", kind of as a .... it's a little dig, if youlike, at what I consider to be a rather empty form of psychedelic and progressive music, that's tended to exist basically from the late seventies onwards, particularly prevalent now. While I don't necessarily dislike the music, what I do find a little bit disappointing is the reluctance to move into new areas. Now obviously that element is in my music as well, but I'm looking to take it one step forward, I'm looking to actually make it relevatnt in 1992, so that I can appeal just as much to the person who goes out and listens to dance music and goes to clubs as I can to the old hippies, who probably, you know, just have been massive fans of Pink Floyd and collected records of Hawkwind or whatever. So I'm kind of trying to bridge that gap. Now I think it's always a cop-out when bands don't do that; they're kind of happy to rest on their laurels, and preaching to the converted, they're preaching to this very small circle, and it is unfortuately a fairly small cult audience we're talking about here. I mean, The Ozric Tentacles I guess are probably the most successful psychedelic or progressive band, whatever you want to call it, for quite a long time, but I think even they are gonna find it very difficult to improve on their current level of sales, because their music doesn't speak to people in the way that it should. Firstly, they don't use lyrics, which unfortunately is a .... I mean I don't object to that, I think there are a lot of very important instrumentals around, but the lack of using vocalists and lyrics is gonna be a problem for them in increasing their audience. And also the fact that all their records tend to sound like new age approximations of a Gong record from 1973. Okay, now that might be very pleasant to listen to, and I , you know, I do enjoy listening to the Ozrics, but I don't particularly think it's important in the overall scheme of things. It's not making any important statements at all. It's just like merely satisfying an appetite for nostalgia, and so, when I called that cassette "The Nostalgia Factory", it was very much a tongue in cheek... it was an ironic title to give it, because I felt I was actually bringing something fresh to the music. I've always been a very strong advocate of the use of technology, that's really one thing that really separates The Porcupine Tree from other artists in the field, who really would be quite happy to turn out 13th Floor Elevators or Hawkwind pastiches, I think, for evermore. That's my personal view. MM It's up to them, of course. PT It's up to other people, yeah. But that's the way I hear, hear that particular music. I like something to be a little bit fresh and a bit more experimental. MM Is there any chance we'll be hearing this music of The Porcupine Tree live? PT Yes, there is, yeah. I just put a band together, with the help of my record company, who's found some musicians for me to work with. I'm also bringing in some of the other musicians that have worked on the records, or on the cassettes, so we're probably gonna go out later this year to promote the next release, which is going to be a single, in fact; probably out around October/November time, so we'll go out and do some dates then; probably only in Britain to start with, but I'm quite happy to go out to Europe if we can get an invitation, so I'm quite looking forward to it, actually. It'd be very interesting for me to hear that material interpreted in a live context, because obviously up till now it's been very much confined to the studio. MM And the way people are gonna react to it. PT Yeah. And the way people are gonna react to it live. And also, not just the way people are gonna react to it, but the way that I and the other musicians will develop the material, because obviously, some of it is going to have to change so that it can be interpreted live, and I'm interested in striking a balance between having fairly structured song sequences and having some more improvised, experimental passages. I'm very keen to explore that area, that The Pink Floyd explored on "Umma Gumma", that kind of spaced, that frightened quality that the music had on pieces like "A Saucerful Of Secrets", and "Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun"; very, very powerful, very intense, but also quite free, in the sense that it wasn't structured music, but it was just four people who were incredibly attuned to the same way of thinking and to produce that music, which for me is just astonishing. MM So you think that playing live would influence your music? PT I think it could change the way the music develops in the future, yes. If the band is successful live, then I will be looking to use them a lot more in the studio, and maybe for the first time using real drums in the studio. Although at the moment I'm still quite keen on the idea of exploiting the technology that's available to me. But that would certainly change things, yes, the live performance aspect. I'd like to do a live album, you know; I'd like people to have a document of what The Porcupine Tree material sounds like when interpreted by a live band. MM "On The Sunday Of Life" is the tile of your finst vinyl release. PT Yes. MM "On The Sunday Of Life". It's a joyful title. PT Mm. MM And the cover of the album is a bit sombre, is a bit gloomy. PT Yes. I can give you a very good analogy for that: "Wish You Were Here" by Pink Floyd. The title is very, very... "Wish You Were Here" is an expression associated with people who are having a great time on holiday and they write back to their friends "wish you were here", so it's a very joyful expression. But you look at the sleeve and it's a very very peculiar, very alien atmosphere that's presented by the sleeve, and I wanted that same juxtaposition between the very joyful title and this kind of out there, otherness quality to the record, and the Pink Floyd sleeves, particularly the work of the artist Hipgnosis, or the group of artists who work under that title of Hipgnosis, always had that quality, and I love that quality. I want to try and bring that back, because again I get a bit tired of this kind of psychedelic and progressive music having these wacky psychedelic.... MM Splashed out... PT Splashed out things.... It's very typical, it's very boring. It was great in 1967, but really, that area of using photography in the way Hipgnosis do, has been very underused I think, in the last 10-15 years, and I'd like to see it used again, and that's why I'm kind of championing.... MM You could use computer graphics.... PT Computer graphics, we thought about that; unfortunately computer graphics is very much associated with... MM New wave... PT The new wave, and the dance craze, certainly in Britain. Bands like The Shamen, and some of the other rave bands are using computer graphics, so it's become associated very much with the extreme use of technology. I'm kinda trying to fuse the two, the psychedelic, the more organic quality that psychedelic and progressive music had, and the modern use of technology. So I'm looking for a middle ground, and I thought that style, the use of photography, but distorting that photography... the photograph on the front of the album is obviously made up from two photographs, so you've got this interesting juxtaposition of two different photographs, that you wouldn't normally associate with each other, in the way that you... look at the front cover of Pink Floyd's "Animals", you've got a pig floating over a power station; that's not something you would see walking down the street, so it's something when you see it, it really makes you think, or makes you laugh, or whatever, but it provokes a response. And that's why I'm particularly fond of that particular style of artwork, and I think I will continue to use that style. I'm very lucky that I also know a graphic designer who's very good and who designed that sleeve; he's very good at designing those kind of sleeves. MM So the future looks prosperous! PT I'm very much looking forward to the next record, because, as I said, the first record "On The Sunday Of Life" was a product of about four years, during which I experimented with a lot of styles, a lot of lyrical ideas, and made a lot of mistakes. Some of the mistakes are on the record, because I thought they were interesting mistakes, they were mistakes which... were kind of interesting to hear alongside some of the more successful pieces. So the next record will be more solid. It is gonna be another double album, it is gonna be again quite diverse, in the different styles used, but it's also going to be much more a product of the way I've been thinking over the last 12 months, instead of the way I was thinking over the last 5 years, because I've changed a lot in that time; the music has changed a lot in that time. We in Britain particularly have had a massive revolution in the dance market, and I think the dance market now is just beginning to produce the second wave, the interesting generation, bands like The Orb, bands like The Shamen, who are taking the positive aspects of dance, giving them a more psychedelic, a more exciting and experimental edge, and I kind of see The Porcupine Tree could actually become part of that second generation of bands, without losing the original audience. So I'm quite excited at the prospect of that. MM Is there a working title for the new album already? PT There is a working title for the album, and I should emphasize it is only a working tile, but the next album could be called "Up The Down Stair". MM "Up The Down Stair". PT "Up The Down Stair", yes. Okay. "Up The Down Stair" is a line from one of the tracks; on a piece called "Voyage 34", there is a sample of a doctor talking about the effects of LSD trips, and one of the statements he makes is about a person who's had a very bad LSD trip, he said 'on this particular trip, he met himself coming up the down stair', and I thought that was just a really beautiful image to take for the title of the album, but it may change. But that's my working title, anyway. MM Alright. I think we've talked about enough, maybe are there some last words you'd like to add, to the radio, to the Magic Mushroom radio show, or to whoever in Antwerp is listening? PT Err. Last words. Gosh. I don't think I have actually, no. I'm trying to think of... MM Something with meaningful significance! PT Well, all I would say, I mean if there is a message behind The Porcupine Tree's music, it is really to explore the possibilities of modern music, as well as the historical music. If I could sum The Porcupine Tree's ideology in a nutshell, I think that would be it: it's trying to use modern technology and contemporary influences in a psychedelic progressive setting. And I would really encourage, if there's anybody out there that is a burgeoning artist, and they are looking to create something in that particular genre, I would really hope that they would do it with as much of an eye on the nineties as on the sixties and seventies. MM Alright. Thanks very much indeed. PT It's a pleasure. Thus was spoken on a sunny day in Britain, where now it will rain for a million years. Now here's some more vital statistics: all of Porcupine Tree's material was released on the Delerium Records label; and the list goes as follows: - Tarquin's Seaweed Farm (C90 cassette) - The Nostalgia Factory (C90 cassette) - On The Sunday Of LIfe (double LP/single CD) - Voyage 34 (12"single/CD single), about 30 minutes long! For all Porcupine Tree material, bookings, etc., contact: Delerium/Freakbeat PO Box 1288 Gerrards Cross Bucks, SL9 0AN England Thanks to Richard Allen for making this interview possible. Marc --------------------------------------------------------------------- END OF TRANSMISSION #16 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Jan 8 10:02:18 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:02:18 EST Subject: HW: help identifying tape Sheffield 83 Message-ID: While going thru my tape collection recently, I was comparing the setlist for one show with Bernhard's HW Tracklist (invaluable!!) and discovered that it was labeled incorrectly. I need some help identifying exactly which show this tape actually contains. My tape is _labelled_ Sheffield City Hall, Oct.25, 1982, but the setlist does not match any shows from the October 1982 tour. However, it exactly matches the shows from the February 1983 tour (again based on Bernhard's list). In fact, HW did play Sheffield again on Feb.12, 1983, which makes this particular show a good candidate for the actual date of my tape. The spoken words from the stage that might be used to identify the tape are few. Principally, before the show begins cranking up, you can hear Nik clearly say that he is "waiting for the rest of the band preening in the gentlemen's toilet". My tape is actually 2 C60 minute tapes, total run time ~100 mins. If any HW Kollektors out there already have the Sheffield 2/12/83 show, would you please let me know if Nik speaks these same words during the first 2 mins of the tape? If any other tapes from this short tour (February 1983) begin with this quote, that will be useful information also. Thanks for any help on this... Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Jan 8 10:52:05 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:52:05 +0100 Subject: HW: help identifying tape Sheffield 83 Message-ID: Hello Chuck The tape that you call your own is deffinetly the SHEFFIELD 1983 tape!! Bernhard From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Jan 8 11:08:02 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:08:02 -0500 Subject: Theo and lack of quality music - Robo & Crap Message-ID: In a message dated 96-01-06 16:26:27 EST, you write: >Well said Robo. Aren't the Grammys based somewhat on commercial success? > While awards like this are probably somewhat flattering to artist, the >love of the fans is probably more appreciated. > >AB commercial success...and like the All-Star Games in sports, a popularity contest...Allanis Morrisette can't sing...give the female vocal grammy to one more deserving - Deb Frost : } ROBO buried in 2 feet of snow... From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Jan 8 11:12:01 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:12:01 -0500 Subject: HW: I'm Dave Brock Message-ID: Someone using a public library terminal in Tennessee appears to think that because I have a Hawkwind web site, I must therefore be Dave Brock. > From guest at www.nashv.lib.tn.us Fri Jan 5 15:03:37 1996 > Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:15:53 -0600 > X-Personal_name: Rooster c/o JULEE SPANGLER USA > From: Nashville at pub.lib.com > Subject: Hawkwind/Dave Brock > > Greetings! Julee has totally turned me on to your vast collections,bios > stories,and great music.I am a "lead Bass player" and love to drop out > and jam with your albums.Very natural vibe to y'all's[sic] choice of > chord progressions,rythyms,groove shifts (accidental or otherwise).For > a while I started having Hawkwind dream sequences (in color) and JULEE > takes that as an omen of imminent (imminence?) or just someday meeting > . I have heard all the stories of your last American tour (as told by you > -know- who) .Mr Brock,as I read your histories and look at the lineup > changes,.....you must really like to play!!! Been through a couple-a-dozen > incarnations of "my current ideal" bands myself...Being a lead bass is novel > for some,annnoying to the few,exploited by many and matched by none. Sounds > a bit cocky,but American musicians,Rock,Country,or traditional seem to have > a mental block most of the time when the bass starts counter-melodies > instead of reduntant thumping.Thank god for Primus,wacky as they may be. > Don't mean > > Anyway,JULEE loves you all,promotes your music fanatically,and I can see why. > From guest at www.nashv.lib.tn.us Fri Jan 5 15:08:13 1996 > Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:20:38 -0600 > X-Personal_name: Rooster c/o JULEE SPANGLER USA > From: Nashville.public.library at www.nashv.lib.tn.us > Subject: Attn:Dave Brock/HAWKWIND > > JULEE has not yet realized the power of the net,when and if these are getting > messages to you,she'll be most pleased and you'll probably have to shut > your computer off........ From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 8 11:25:52 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:25:52 -0500 Subject: Message from Bolle Message-ID: Bolle asked me to post this. So I will. Suppose he's being rather elliptical... leave it to you to ascertain which band member cannot take charge of his life. But caveat emptor-- the musings about record companies/management, and how only garage bands deal with venues, etc (tell it to Mick Jagger) is rooted in even less reality than any of the flights of fantasy and or balderdash that have driven most of the non-dreamers offa this list.... --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: BOC fall off Date: 96-01-07 02:20:37 EST From: TUBULAR 1 To: DFrost8547 Dear Deborah, Please post this for me for the BOC-L folks...: Happy New Year one and All. I was very thrilled to get a X-mas card from all of your guys, via Lynn, which was a great treat in deed, seeing especially how I've failed to be posting stuff on your side of the line. This is of course all because of my computer illeteracy and my unwillingness to try things out because of pure hatred of making mistakes. One of these days I'll have a computer and modem and everything else to enable my desire's fullfillment. Whatever this may turn out to be.... Meanwhile... The debated fact of The Fall of BOC is nice and like you guys I am as much concerned about the future of our favorite band. But believe me, you are all very naive and ignorant in the facts of Show Business. Most of your thoughts aren't even considered on the level of bands and musicians. It's not up to Eric nor Buck to come up with Concert Venues to play, The record company side of things are harsh business negotiations that never touches the band, Only its management deal with these Questions. Without record company support, there is no financial back-up either to record a new album in old fashioned ways, which means a lot of Studio time spent on testing out ideas, doing pre-production and several recordings. These days there isn't even time nor money for these bands to even rehearse properly nor is there a budget set up for any active planning for a tour, record, video, whatever... You all suffer from the small mind thinking of a band being like some garage outfit that still book their own gigs, pay for their own rehearsals and recordings... Those days in BOC's case disappeard back in 1967 when Sandy Pearlman took charge and begun his Immaginos project that turned out to become Soft White Underbelly, Oaxaca, Stalk-Forrest Group... The Santos Sisters??? whatever... We still cherrish this phenomena as Blue Oyster Cult. right now in MARK-12 set up with the proper return of Chuck Burgi for their '96 shows. There is material for another album, The Industry doesn't seem to have time to concern themselves with another "Come-Back" but this has nothing to do with the band... this is all industrial mega money corporation thinking, and all they want today is to make Hamburgers...Buy Now, Eat Now, Forget Now, (Infinite repeats.) Consumation at the cost of The Lowest Common Denominator, We all know better, BOC is not part of that train of thought at least not in our minds and hearts... We're still at awe of this machine and every time we se them live we forget our grumpy thoughts, If anybody can come up with a receipe to solve this "Has Been" predicament, I'm here at least to accept any thoughts... Anyway, What I want to share with you is the default of any band member in charge of his life... he could be, but that would always be interpreted by that community he is involved with and may cause unnecessary tention where obviously not desired by others. This is open to interpretation. but please in the future refrain from the small thinking because we should all know better than this by now... Meanwhile, I remain Yours Truly: BOLLE_!_? P.S. May The Cult Be With You All! From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Mon Jan 8 11:52:28 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:52:28 -0500 Subject: HW: New Year In-Reply-To: <01HZPBRK4U2E13ZGY3@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> from "Scott Heller" at Jan 6, 96 08:26:00 pm Message-ID: Scott writes: > Hello Everyone, > I hope that everyone on the list had nice holidays. I am sorry I > had to miss the BS gig in Boston, but thanks to Rudy and Anne i will > get to see it second hand! Anyway, Spoke with Chris and Mary Bruce of > the Kadu Flyer and Chris said that HW are working on another live CD > to be taken from the most recent europe tour 95' with Ron. > I did not see any posts of the HW london show 12/22/95? I guess > no one went? Anyone go to the show in Cleveland on Dec31st with F/i, > Alien Planetscapes and HW guests?? Yes!! I was there (in Cleveland), and it was actually a very good time...it was the first time I can remember ever going out for New Years. I think New Years has to be about the dumbest holiday of all, but that's just me. The funny thing was, since the "HW tribute band" was still playing their set at the 'magical' time, noone really noticed when it happened...I know I didn't. Maybe they should've have been playing the 'Countdown' as Stacia did during Space Ritual... :) Anyway, there were three bands that played that night: 1) Gaia Avantara - a threesome (space whisperish vocals (female), a bongo player, and a flutist, plus some ambient synthesised background music). As I was strolling around, meeting old friends (from HW and Ozric tours of the past), I didn't watch them attentively, but their music was nice enough & a good warmup for the rest of the evening. At first, for a moment, I thought it was Tania up there on stage, but then I realized it was someone else. They played from about 9:15 - 10:00. 2) the "HW tribute band" - I don't know how else to refer to them, as they never introduced themselves, and I knew from the sheer number of musicians (varying from 9-11) that these guys were from different bands. Some I believe were from Architectural Metaphor, a couple from Alien Planetscapes, and maybe 1 or 2 of the guys from F/i, I can't remember. Anyway, whoever they were, they did an excellent job, considering the lack of ever playing together before. The set was all Hawkwind tunes, mostly 70's material as I figure they could only do what enough of them knew, and that just turned out to be the classics. The set was something like this....this is from memory only: Standing at the Edge (cool synth work in background) Down Through the Night (great) The Black Corridor....segued into.... Space Is Deep (nice jam) Master of the Universe (a little uneven) Spirit of the Age (very nice) The Watcher ("halfway" between HW and Motorhead version) The Demented Man (excellent) We Took the Wrong Step Years Ago (more acoustic!!) Flying Doctor (true to the original) Heads (well, it was a good try - only post-Calvert song) Sonic Attack (a little too long) Uncle Sam's on Mars (not bad) Robot (R----O----B----O----T----R----O----B----O----T) Wind of Change (nice finish) (set went from about 10:30 - 12:10) That's all I can remember at the moment...there may have been one or two more. I really thought that they pulled it off very well, considering the circumstances, and I really had a good time watching these guys. Doug Walker (who looks a little like Louis Gossett, Jr.) from Alien Planetscapes, was the only one of these guys I spoke to....he's an interesting guy, and plays synth, flute, and electronic sax (a cool reedless instrument that I'd like to have someday...as a trumpet player, I think I could learn to play this thing, as you only blow air though it). 3) F/i - a space rock outfit from Milwaukee, WI These guys were reasonably interesting, but I wasn't overwhelmed by their music. They reminded me a little of the band 'Sleep' that opened for Nik here in Columbus, and also the Helios Creed tunes from that show (that's the only Creed material I'm familiar with). They played only instrumentals, and in that way, they are similar to the Ozrics, but musically they are heavier, with more fuzzed out guitar. I guess if you took a Monster Magnet 45 rpm record, removed the vocals, and played it at 33 rpm, you'd get something like F/i. They have a single out, I guess, and the song that they said was the 'A' side of this single was IMHO the best song that they played. (set went from about 12:50 - 2:10) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The lights were quite good, and were done by Louise McAuley (who now lives in Montreal, although I believe she's really from the London/Kitchener area)...I remember meeting her at several places during the last HW tour. She's really a cool person, and a very good artist as well - she made small laminated posters for this event like she did for the HW shows, which promptly sold out. For those of you who were at either the Toronto or St. Catharines shows, you'll remember the 'Fire' guy, who nearly set a number of audience members ablaze at the Toronto gig. Anyway, his name is Stew Orr I think, and he was there as well, and luckily noone was singed :) By the way, Louise and Stew are now a couple after meeting at the HW shows in Canada. The Hawkwind display out front was pretty interesting....they had very nearly all the official releases of HW (lps only), and many of the solo efforts, plus 10 or so posters from various periods. There were a few things, though, that were missing...not just the very rare stuff (Greasy Truckers Party, the van der Graff thing, for instance), but also I don't remember seeing Earthed to the Ground, or The New World's Fair, or the small singles/EP's like 'Your Last Chance', and Social Alliance, etc. But then they didn't have much space to spare. They were selling a few CD's there as well...nothing I didn't already have except for Simon House's Yassassim, for $22 I think. I passed on this, as I don't know whether there is a US release planned. Between the sets, they played ALLIENN 4 over the sound system, which was the first time I've heard it (I'm waiting for the US release). It sounded pretty good to me, but then I wasn't listening closely all the time. Jim Collins of TofE was there, with a bunch of CD's and tapes had had for sale, as well as a sign up for the Ozrics newsletter....he also said that he's going to start up a HW newsletter as well....I know he's been working on a lengthy tour review booklet from last April, called Hawktales or something, but I guess he's going to do something on a regular basis as well. Anyway, I'm glad he was there, 'cause I got a couple of CD's I had wanted for awhile....Melting Euphoria's 'Upon the Solar Winds', and Dead Flowers' 'Altered State Circus' (great!) The Phantasy Nite Club is a really nice place....the one and only time I had ever been there was for a Soul Asylum concert about five years ago, believe it or not. The crowd for this show was about the same size (100 or so?)...this was before Soul Asylum became popular with that horrible 'Runaway Train' song, needless to say. There are two 'ships' built into the club, one of which acts as the platform for the sound/lighting equipment, the other has a secluded booth inside, from which you can still see the stage. There were some kids inside there for some reason this night, maybe the owner's kids, I don't know. The Phantasy Theatre, which is next door, is the larger "club" with many rows of permanent seats, and a much bigger stage. HW played here in 1989 -- an absolutely fantastic show....my favourite of the 15 that I've seen. This event, although of fairly small scale, turned out really nice (kudos to Jim Lascko for organizing it), and it did draw some people from far away...Chris from New Hampshire (who I met in Canada in April also) came all the way to Cleveland for it. I'd like to see something like this happen again soon, with maybe many of us getting involved somehow to find a centrally located place (Cleveland's actually not too bad, I don't think) and have another jam session of Hawkwind tunes with list members and these other groups. Of course, we could invite Dave Brock to bring his band also :)....in fact, I remember Scott (who was part of the HW entourage last April) saying that he had talked to Dave that day (Dec. 31), and that he had wished us all well in our efforts to have events like this. Sorry I've gone on so long, but this was a pretty nice event, and I'm glad I decided to drive the 2.5 hours up & back for it...I got home at 5 A.M. and the visiblility on the roads was completely awful (thick fog)....luckily, all the drunk drivers were off the road by then. See ya' Keith H. From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Mon Jan 8 12:40:33 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:40:33 -0800 Subject: Boogie as Music Bed Message-ID: B.O.C. super-trivia dept: While sweeping the dial looking for the Art Bell radio program ("Dreamland"-devoted to ETI, UFO and funky BS like that) heard Buck's Boogie suddenly blasting from the AM- could it be? No it was just being used as a music bed for David Brenner's talk radio program. Well-some engineer or producer out there knows where it's at. "Act like a dumbshit and they'll treat you as an equal." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Jan 8 12:54:31 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 12:54:31 EST Subject: HW: Thanks (was Re: help identifying tape Sheffield 83) Message-ID: Thanks for the help guys. Looks like Sheffield 2/12/83 is the correct date for the tape I was trying to identify. I may have a few more of these "what date is this tape REALLY" kind of questions coming up soon. There is no better source for info than other Kollectors as obsessed as I am! Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Jan 8 13:27:01 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:27:01 EST Subject: HW: New Year Message-ID: >They were selling a few CD's there as well...nothing I didn't already >have except for Simon House's Yassassim, for $22 I think. I passed on >this, as I don't know whether there is a US release planned. I have yet to see it, but someone on the list claimed to have found the GRIFFIN release of "Yassasim" in their local store... I called Mike Coleman a couple of days ago and told him it was out & please start looking for a copy for me. >Jim Collins of TofE was there, with a bunch of CD's and tapes had had for >sale, as well as a sign up for the Ozrics newsletter....he also >said that he's going to start up a HW newsletter as well....I know >he's been working on a lengthy tour review booklet from last April, >called Hawktales or something, but I guess he's going to do >something on a regular basis as well. I have already received Jim's first part of "American Hawk Tales", which is Jim's log from the HW 1995 US Tour. He is selling it in two parts, the first now ready and the second available around the end of January, for $5.00 each. The first part is over 40 pages long. Most pages are copies of various 1995 press kits and bios, as well as copies of ticket stubs and advertising from the various shows. There are also some published reviews from various magazines of the 1995 tour. Jim also includes a blow-by-blow account of the shows he attended (the ones he remembers 8-)); looks like he made it to most of them. If anybody wants to know how to get ahold of Jim Collins for copies of this booklet, or to join the Tentacles of Erpland (Ozrics fan club), feel free to Email me for the info. >Anyway, I'm glad he was there, 'cause I got a couple of CD's I had >wanted for awhile....Melting Euphoria's 'Upon the Solar Winds', A good choice! Although extremely similar to their independent label release called "Through the Strands (Sands?) of Time". I have both, and I believe that M.E. replaced most of their band members and then re-recorded many of the same songs from "TtSoT" for "UtSW". Significantly different versions (and typically without vocals on the newer release!). Both releases are worth picking up. And I think Jim sells them both also (TtSoT is hard to find outside of San Fran). Did anybody get any tapes of this event? Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 8 13:29:29 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:29:29 GMT Subject: hw: Moorcock and those books In-Reply-To: Yuri Gagarin's message of Mon, 8 Jan 1996 12:52:07 +0000 Message-ID: > firstly, a happy new year/sun/etc to one and all &c. > ditto! > > oh yeh, and this bit in Michael Butterworth's entry, "He has just completed > a novel, Time of the Hawklords ('Hawkwind rocking at the end of time',) in > collaboration with Michael Moorcock" So, Moorcock was a collaborator on > that, there's one for his cv ;-) > errr - nope! Last I heard MM was reluctant to acknowledge even that the idea of the concept might have been his. He certainly did not want to be considered a collaborator of this lot. So far as I understand it Butterworth used the idea of Hawkwind as Hawklords and everything after that was his own. MM's name was used as a salespitch I suspect! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 8 13:32:32 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:32:32 GMT Subject: OFF: assistance Message-ID: sorry - ignoramus request here in the hope that someone can advise. I went away for several days and set the BOC-L to digest form. Sure enough the digests arrived but so did all the usual messages one after the other. So I ended up with as many messages as I would have got normally! Can anyone tell me what *else* I should have done apart from telling ListServ to set the digest form! Thanx jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 8 13:34:18 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:34:18 GMT Subject: Glastonbury 96 cancelled In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:56:28 -0500 Message-ID: > The Electronic Telegraph Thursday 4 January 1996 Home News > > [Home News] > > Glastonbury gives pop a miss for '96 > > By Colin Randall > > THERE will be no Glastonbury pop festival this year, much to the relief of > the Somerset villagers. > Bummer Wonder if we could persuade a certain Mr Dave Brock to lend out his farm for a few weeks....... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 8 13:39:20 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:39:20 GMT Subject: HW: Hassan - the word In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Thu, 28 Dec 1995 08:35:00 EST Message-ID: > Thanks Chuck, I never would have gotten "perfumed" for the garden of > delights. I still swear that some live versions, including the Friday Rock > Session, sound like they start with an "F". > Heh heh! So who never had copies of Richard Burton's translation of "The Perfumed Garden" being furtively read under desks in their classroom at skool. We'd probably have been expelled had that one been discovered but it sure made more interesting reading that whatever the lesson had on offer! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 8 14:00:45 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:00:45 GMT Subject: HW: Anthologies etc In-Reply-To: HERBERT119@delphi.com's message of Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:08:04 -0500 Message-ID: > really appreciate your comments. I'm trying to understand this > Anthology/Acid Daze thing. These were only semi-official releases which > contained compilations of songs from earlier semi-official bootlegs? Am I on > the right track? Well I will definitely check it with you folks first before > I touch any of those. The Anthology/Acid Daze stuff is actually one of the few compilations that were officially released by Hawkwind. Anthology 1,2 and 3 were tracks collected and chosen by Dave Brock - not as a "best of" but as "most memorable" in terms of his career with Hawkwind at that point. They were released as a set of pic discs in a blue plastic sleeve with a booklet created by Brian Tawn describing the reasons behind the choice of each track. It makes extremely interesting reading and I understand that the recent re-issue of the discs in an Acid Daze box set included the booklet. Two Anthology CDs were issued. The first is a straight copy of Anthology 1 vinyl, the second is an amalgamation of Anthology 2 and 3 (with some of the best bits left out!). However the Acid Daze CDs reproduce every track as do the recent CD issues Anthology 1,2 and 3. > Does any one know if there is such a thing as a Hawkcourse offered at > any school or institution any where in the world? Someone once said that HW > awere rated the 33rd most collectible band in the world. Well, they have way > more releases by far than any other band I've ever collected... > It *is* confusing since several early tapes have been issued and re-issued under different names but were never official. However Text of Festival remains one of my favourites since, if you don't have access to live early Hawkwind tapes, this is the nearest you will come to a magnificent early Hawkwind live endless-jamming session of the type that they used to do at the beginning of their career. They first started touring with a repertoire of only about 5 songs I think - so most of the gigs were wonderfully laid back long versions of these and Text of Festival shows this to perfection. Don't worry about the lack of sound quality - these are early and live and spaced man....... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Jan 8 15:52:01 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:52:01 -0500 Subject: HW: UK ... here I come! Message-ID: Gidday All! I just found out today that I will be visiting the UK on a whirlwind business trip, possibly b4 the end of January. The question on my lips is of course - Are HW playing anywhere around end-Jan/early Feb? If so, I'll try (as if my life depends on it) to organise the trip to coincide. *Please* tell me I won't miss seeing them live ...... Paul A. Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 8 16:18:11 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:18:11 GMT Subject: HW: new bootleg In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 28 Dec 1995 19:25:18 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hello there > > On the second christmas day I have visited in our townhall a recordfair. > > And to my surprise I've found a HAWKWIND bootleg I've never seen before!! > > Though the price was extremely high (60 DM = 40$ for one CD), I bought 2 > CD's from 2 different dealers, one for me and one for a friend. > > At home I phoned my friend to let him know that I had a CD for him. He told > me that he had visited the same record fair 2 or 3 hours earlier and already > bought one CD for himself. And he also told me that one of the dealers told > him that only about two handfull CD's were produced. > > Maybe this is the reason for this astronomical price. > > The bootleg is called DAMNATION ALLEY and the cover says that it was > recorded in MINNEAPOLIS on 04.October 1989. > > I compared the CD with the live tape I have from this gig and it seems to be > true. But the CD has not the complete gig. Here is the track listing from > the bootleg: > > magnu / down through the night / treadmill / wind of change 7 / assault & > battery / golden void / arrival in utopia / brainstorm / dream worker / > damnation alley / ejection > > The bootleg has on the front and back side a beautyful black and white drawing. > > On the front is a circle. In the middle of the circle you can see a good > photocopy of Dave Brock with a guitar. In the top part of the circle stands: > HAWKWIND, in the bottom part DAMNATION ALLEY and RECORDED LIVE 04.10.1989 IN > MINNEAPOLIS - FIRST AVENUE > > On the back side you can see the complete track listing. On the bottom is a > nice ;-)) small drawing and there stands: MYSTIC WANKERS RECORDS. > > The inner sleeve has four funny drawings of DAVE, HARVEY, ALAN and RICHARD > > The CD is complete blank (gold) with no printing and no label number. > > Recording quality is very good, running time is about 70 minutes. > > It seems to me that this is a very rare bootleg. I do not want to sell it > but swap for another rare HAWKWIND item. > > If someone is interested, please e-mail me. > > Bernhard I'd certainly be interested in obtaining a copy... FoFP From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Mon Jan 8 16:35:43 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:35:43 -0600 Subject: [HW] HW Tribute Band (was Re: HW: New Year) In-Reply-To: <199601081652.LAA21764@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Keith A Henderson wrote: > > I did not see any posts of the HW london show 12/22/95? I guess > > no one went? Anyone go to the show in Cleveland on Dec31st with F/i, > > Alien Planetscapes and HW guests?? > > Yes!! I was there (in Cleveland), and it was actually a very good time...it > was the first time I can remember ever going out for New Years. I think New > Years has to be about the dumbest holiday of all, but that's just me. The > funny thing was, since the "HW tribute band" was still playing their set at > the 'magical' time, noone really noticed when it happened...I know I didn't. > Maybe they should've have been playing the 'Countdown' as Stacia did during > Space Ritual... :) > > Anyway, there were three bands that played that night: [snip] > 2) the "HW tribute band" - I don't know how else to refer to them, as they > never introduced themselves, and I knew from the sheer number of musicians > (varying from 9-11) that these guys were from different bands. Some I believe > were from Architectural Metaphor, a couple from Alien Planetscapes, and maybe 1 > or 2 of the guys from F/i, I can't remember. Anyway, whoever they were, they > did an excellent job, considering the lack of ever playing together before. [set list and commentary also deleted] Did anyone tape this by chance? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Jan 8 16:48:24 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:48:24 -0500 Subject: Message from Bolle Message-ID: could someone act as an interpretor for the fwd'd message from Bolle? I couldn't get the message after looking in me dictionary more than a dozen times... ROBO From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Jan 10 00:45:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:45:00 PST Subject: Message from Bolle -duh? Message-ID: >DF provides dislcaimer< >Bolle Writes< >But believe me, you are all very naive and ignorant in the facts of Show Business. >Without record company support, there is no financial back-up either to record a new album in old fashioned ways, which means a lot of Studio time spent on testing out ideas, doing pre-production and several recordings. >These days there isn't even time nor money for these bands to even rehearse properly nor is there a budget set up for any active planning for a tour, record, video, whatever... >You all suffer from the small mind thinking of a band being like some garage outfit that still book their own gigs, pay for their own rehearsals and recordings... So whats new? From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Tue Jan 9 07:58:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 07:58:00 -0500 Subject: NY HW tribute Message-ID: Hello, I am listening to a tape of the NYE HW tribute from chicago right now. It is an excellent quality soundboard generation from Doug Walker of Alien Planetscapes. I would be wiling to do a tape tree of this show for the folks interested. Depending on how many people are interested. Here is the form: Name: e-mail address: Can you make copies: What kind of equipment do you have: (be brief) It looks like the show is 100 or so minutes long. Here is the set so far: A] Standing on the Edge of Time Down thru the Night Black Corridor Space is Deep Master of the Universe Spirit of the Age (38m) b} Robot Drug Cabinet Key Demented Man We took the wrong steps years ago After I determine the number of people interested and have gone thru the tape and determined if it will fit on a 100min tape or willneed people to send 110 or 2 60 min tapes, I will let everyone know. I am now on the digest, so I will be slower to respond to the normal mail flow. SCott ObCassette: Angels of Death Band- NYE Cleveland 12/31/95 (that's what Doug called the tape!) From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jan 9 11:19:04 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:19:04 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind - Saucerful of Pink Message-ID: Before I got more into BOC and Hawkwind I used to be heavily into Pink Floyd (sill like them, just don't listen as often anymore). I recently picked up a floyd tribute album called "A Saucerful of Pink", several of the covers are by ex-Hawkwinders, including Nik Turner, Pressurehed, and Spiral Realms (Simon House, right?), and some other bands I've seen mentioned here. Anyways, overall it's somewhat uneven, but some of the tracks are outstanding. Nik's (careful with that Axe, eugene) is good, but the Pressurehed and 'Realms covers (Let there be more light and Interstellar Overdrive) are outstanding. Other bands on it that do well are Helios Creed, Alien Sex Fiend, Furnace, Melting Euphoria, EXP, Eden, Sky Cries Mary, Controlled Bleeding, Psychic TV, Spahn Ranch, and FarFlung. There are a few others that I didn't care that much for; and a completely bizarre piece by Ron Geesin. But worth the price, IMHO, anyways, around $20 for 2-cd set, from Cleopatra. ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 9 12:04:54 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:04:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: Personal E-Mail to me Message-ID: For those of you who on occassion send me personal e-mail, please note that my address is changing. Please send all future correspondence to: jswartz at mitre.org Note: Other addresses that I used to use (such as John_Swartz at iegate.mitre. org) may still work for a limited time, but the above should always work. Also: No change needs to be made by the listserver for my mail. John (still digging out from almost 2 feet of snow) Swartz From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Tue Jan 9 12:04:45 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr. Big Mike Light) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:04:45 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind - Saucerful of Pink; UK version In-Reply-To: <199601091619.LAA18755@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > Before I got more into BOC and Hawkwind I used to be heavily into Pink Floyd > (sill like them, just don't listen as often anymore). I recently picked up > a floyd tribute album called "A Saucerful of Pink" > But worth the price, IMHO, anyways, around $20 for 2-cd set, from Cleopatra. This is also available on the UK label Cherry Red, CD BRED 120. I got it for 12.50 poundlings, something of an absolute bargin. I have also purchased 2 of the '4 CD compilation packs' both from castle. The first one is purple, is (c) 1993 and is called metal masters. The tracks of bocl interest are HW: Ghost Dance, We do it, Space is deep, Earth calling MH: Overkill, The hammer, Limb from limb PFairies: Do it Dumpy's rusty nuts: Boxhill or bust, Hot lover (OK not very bocl linked) The second one is black, is (c) 1995 and is called monsters of rock BOC: Don't fear the reaper (live), Born to be wild (live, and it sounds it) HW: Silver machine, urban guerilla MH: Ace of spades, Eat the rich Tygers of pan tang (OK so a moorcock link is quite weak): straight as a die, bad times There are a couple of damned tracks on there, but not the one that lemmy plays on. Mike Wright, reporting from the cutting edge of sadness. From mistwolf at DS9.LESN.LEHIGH.EDU Tue Jan 9 12:30:42 1996 From: mistwolf at DS9.LESN.LEHIGH.EDU (Jamie) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:30:42 -0500 Subject: I hate to ask, but... Message-ID: I've not the time to put into reading this list as I'd like. How would I go about unsubscribing? -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ |The shadows of life cover the sunlight of the soul, and block out the| |radiance that all have within them, leaving only darkness behind. | +-----------------------------+---------------------+-----------------+ |mistwolf at ds9.lesn.lehigh.edu | mistwolf at netcom.com | mistwolf at io.com | +-----------------------------+---------------------+-----------------+ From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Jan 9 12:30:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:30:00 EST Subject: BS: A Bart Reference Message-ID: Anybody catch the Simpsons last Sunday? They performed a trepanation just off screen. It happened quickly and I'll have to wait for a rerun to tape it. It's the bowling episode for those TV guide readers. Rudy From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Jan 9 12:57:47 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:57:47 -0500 Subject: Nik Interview Message-ID: > I'm glad at least one Hawker has a decent amount of respect for his >fans. OK, plus Alan and Del (can't vouch for any others, as I have not >met them). The 'others' ( I assume you mean Brock and Co.) just toured the states using their own money. Ron Tree told me he used *All* his money to come here. These aren't rich guys and I thought it was a great sign of respect, on their part, to make the tour! regards, Bill Stewart ps Can someone please repost the Nik Interveiw I am having trouble accessing the original. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Jan 9 15:19:57 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:19:57 -0600 Subject: BS: A Bart Reference In-Reply-To: <30F21BC2@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Rudich, Robert A wrote: > Anybody catch the Simpsons last Sunday? They performed a trepanation just > off screen. It happened quickly and I'll have to wait for a rerun to tape > it. It's the bowling episode for those TV guide readers. Sorry to have to ask, since I am on the HW side of the list, but as a Simpsons fan and having taped the episode I'd like to know exactly what a 'Trepanation' is (besides the name of a BS album). Damon Capehart | The Society of Physics Students at UTD dcapehar at utdallas.edu | (yes, even though I'm actually a math major) -- Call the Physics Friends Hotline. -- -- Find out about your special density! -- From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Jan 9 16:06:01 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:06:01 -0500 Subject: BS: A Bart Reference Message-ID: >Sorry to have to ask, since I am on the HW side of the list, but as a >Simpsons fan and having taped the episode I'd like to know exactly what a >'Trepanation' is (besides the name of a BS album). >Damon Capehart | The Society of Physics Students at UTD You had to ask :-) Reproduced below without permission from my BOC archives Martyn Subject: THE PEOPLE WITH HOLES IN THEIR HEADS OBAside: There actually used to be a mailing list similar to this one, called TREPAN-D, at Brown University! >>From _Eccentric Lives & Peculiar Notions_ by John Michell. THE PEOPLE WITH HOLES IN THEIR HEADS Amanda Feilding lives in a charming flat looking over London's river with her companion, Joey Mellen, and their infant son, Rock. She is a successful painter, and she and Joey have an art gallery in a fashionable street of the King's Road. Another of her talents is for politics. At the last two General Elections she stood for Parliament in Chelsea, more than doubling her vote on the second occasion from 49 to 139. It does not sound much, but the cause for which she stands is unfamiliar and lacks obvious appeal. Feilding and her voters demand that trepanning operations be made freely available on the National Health. Trepanation means cutting a hole in your skull. The founder of the trepanation movement is a Dutch savant, Dr Bart Hughes. In 1962 he made a discovery which his followers proclaim as the most significant in modern times. One's state and degree of consciousness, he realized, are related to the volume of blood in the brain. According to his theory of evolution, the adoption of an upright stance brought certain benefits to the human race, but it caused the flow of blood through the head to be limited by gravity, thus reducing the range of human consciousness. Certain parts of the brain ceased or reduced their functions while others, particularly those parts relating to speech and reasoning, became emphasized in compensation. One can redress the balance by a number of methods, such as standing on one's head, jumping from a hot bath into a cold one, or the use of drugs; but the wider consciousness thus obtained is only temporary. Bart Hughes shared the common goal of mystics and poets in all ages: he wanted to achieve permanently the higher level of vision, which he associated with an increased volume of blood in the capillaries of the brain. The higher state of mind he sought was that of childhood. Babies are born with skulls unsealed, and it is not until one is an adult that the bony carapace is formed which completely encloses the membranes surrounding the brain and inhibits their pulsations in repsonse to heart-beats. In consequence, the adult loses touch with the dreams, imagination and intense perceptions of the child. His mental balance becomes upset by egoism and neuroses. To cure these problems, first in himself and then for the whole world, Dr Huges returned his cranium to something like the condition of infancy by cutting out a small disc of bone with an electric drill. Experiencing immediate beneficial effects from this operation, he began preaching to anyone who would listen to the doctrine of trepanation. By liberating his brain from its total imprisonment in his skull, he claimed to have restored its pulsations, increased the volume of blood in it and acquired a more complete, satisfying state of consciousness than grown-up people normally enjoy. The medical and legal authorities reacted to Huges's discovery with horror and rewarded him with a spell in a Dutch lunatic asylum. Joseph Mellen met Bart Huges in 1965 in Ibiza and quickly became his leading, or rather one and only, disciple. Years later he wrote a book called _Bore Hole_, the contents of which are summarized in its opening sentence: 'This is the story of how I came to drill a hole in my skull to get permanently high.' . . . (a few paragraphs detail Joseph Mellen's early experiments with LSD, and how he finds out about Bart Huges.) The time came when Joey felt he had preached enough and that he now had to act. He did not agree with Holingshead that the third eye was merely a figure of speech, believing in its physical attainment through self-trepanation. Support for this can be found in archaeology. Skulls of ancient people all over the world give evidence that their owners were skillfully trepanned during their lifetimes, and many of these appear to have been of noble or priestly castes. The medical practice of trepanation was continued up to the present century in treatment of madness, the hole in the skull being seen as a way of relieving pressure on the brain or letting out the devils that possessed it. By his scientific explanation of the reasons for the operation, Bart Huges had removed it from the area of superstition, and Joey Mellen proposed to be the second person to perform it on himself in the interest of enlightenment. Bart had become a close friend of Amanda Feilding, and they went off to Amsterdam together while Joey took care of Amanda's flat. This was the opportunity he had been waiting for to bore a hole in his head. The most gripping passages in _Bore Hole_ describe his various attempts to complete the operation. They are also extremely gruesome, and those who lack medical curiosity would do well to read no further. Yet to those who might contemplate trepanation for and by themselves, Joey's experiences are a salutary warning. It should be empahasized that neither he, Bart nor Amanda has ever recommended people to follow their example by performing their own operations. For years they have been looking for doctors who would understand their theories and would agree to trepan volunteer patients as a form of therapy. Strangely enough, not one member of the medical profession has been converted. In a surgical store Joey found a trepan instrument, a kind of auger or cork- screw designed to be worked by hand. It was much cheaper and, Joey felt, more sensitive than an electric drill. Its main feature was a metal spike, surrounded by a ring of saw-teeth. The spike was meant to be driven into the skull, holding the trepan steady until the revolving saw made a groove, after which it could be retracted. If all went well, the saw-band should remove a disc of bone and expose the brain. Joey's first attempt at self-trepanation was a fiasco. He had no previous medical experience, and the needles he had bought for administering a local anaesthetic to the crown of his head proved to be too thin and crumpled up or broke. Next day he obtained some stouter needles, took a tab of LSD to steady his nerves and set to in earnest. First he made an incision to the bone, and then applied the trepan to his bared skull. But the first part of the operation, driving the spike into the bone, was impossible to accomplish. Joey described it as like trying to uncork a bottle from the inside. He realized he needed help and telephoned Bart in Amsterdam, who promised he would come over and assist at the next operation. This plan was frustrated by the Home Office, which listed Dr Huges as an undesirable visitor to Britain and barred his entry. Amanda agreed to take his place. Soon after her return to London she helped Joey re-open the wound in his head and, by pressing the trepan with all her might against his skull, managed to get the spike to take hold and the saw- teeth to bite. Joey then took over at cranking the saw. Once again he had swallowed some LSD. After a long period of sawing, just as he was about to break through, he suddenly fainted. Amanda called an ambulance and he was taken to hospital, where horrified doctors told him that he was lucky to be alive and that if he had drilled a fraction of an inch further he would have killed himself. The psychiatrists took a particular interest in his case, and a group of them arranged to examine him. Before this could be done, he had to appear in court on a charge of possessing a small amount of cannabis. The magistrate demanded another psychiatrist's report and demanded him for a week in prison. There followed a period of embarrassment as the rumour went round London that Joey Mellen had trepanned himself, whereas in fact he had failed to do so. As soon as possible, therefore, he prepared for a third attempt. Proceeding as before, but now with the benefit of experience, he soon found the groove from the previous operation and began to saw through the sliver of bone separating him from enlightenment or, as the doctors had predicted, instant death. What followed is best quoted from _Bore Hole_. 'After some time there was an ominous sounding schlurp and the sound of bubbling. I drew the trepan out and the gurgling continued. It sounded like air bubbles running under the skull as they were pressed out. I looked at the trepan and there was a bit of bone in it. At last! On closer inspection I saw that the disc of bone was much deeper on one side than on the other. Obviously the trepan had not been straight and had gone through at one point only, then the piece of bone had snapped off and come out. I was reluctant to start drilling again for fear of damaging the brain membranes with the deeper part while I was cutting through the rest or of breaking off a splinter. If only I had an electric drill it would have been so much simpler. Amanda was sure I was through. There seemed no other explanation for the schlurping noises I decided to call it a day. At the time I thought that any hole would do, no matter what size. I bandaged up my head and cleared away the mess.' There was still doubt in his mind as to whether he had really broken through and, if so, whether the hole was big enough to restore pulsation to his brain. The operation had left him with a feeling of wellbeing, but he realized that it could simply be from relief at having ended it. To put the matter beyond doubt, he decided to bore another hole at a new spot just above the hairline, this time using an electric drill. In the spring of 1970, Amanda was in America and Joey did the operation alone. He applied the drill to his forehead, but after half and hour's work the electric cable burnt out. Once again he was frustrated. An engineer in the flat below him was able to repair the instrument and next day he set out to finish the job. 'This time I was not in any doubt. The drill head went at least an inch deep through the hole. A great gush of blood followed my withdrawal of the drill. In the mirror I could see the blood in the hole rising and falling with the pulsation of the brain.' The result was all he had hoped for. During the next four hours he felt his spirits rising higher until he reached a state of freedom and serenity which he claims, has been with him ever since. For some time now he had been sharing a flat with Amanda, and when she came back from America she immediately noticed the change in him. This encouraged her to join him on the mental plane by doing her own trepanation. The operation was carefully recorded. She had obtained a cine-camera, and Joey stood by, filming, as she attacked her head with an electric drill. The film shows her carefully at work, dressed in a blood-spattered white robe. She shaves her head, makes an incision in her head with a scalpel and calmly starts drilling. Blood spurts as she penetrates the skull. She lays aside the drill and with a triumphant smile advances towards Joey and the camera. Ever since, Joey and amanda have lived and worked together in harmony. >>From the business of buying old prints to colour and resell, they have progressed to ownership of the Pigeonhole Gallery and seem reasonably prosperous. They have also started a family. There is nothing apparently abnormal about them, and many of their old friends agree in finding them even more pleasant and contented since their operations. There is plenty of leisure in their lives, mingled with the kind of activities they most enjoy. These of course include talking and writing about trepanation. They have lectured widely in Europe and America to groups of doctors and other interested people, showing the film of Amanda's self-operation, entitled _Heartbeat in the Brain_. It is generally received with awe, the sight of blood often causing people to faint. At one showing in London a film critic described the audience 'dropping off their seats one by one like ripe plums'. Yet it was not designed to be gruesome. The soundtrack is of soothing music, and the surgical scenes alternate with some delightful motion studies of Amanda's pet pigeon, Birdie, as a symbol of peace and wisdom." From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Jan 9 16:34:00 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:34:00 -0600 Subject: BS: A Bart Reference In-Reply-To: <9601092106.AA00570@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: Eeeeewwwwww.... Damon Capehart | The Society of Physics Students at UTD dcapehar at utdallas.edu | (yes, even though I'm actually a math major) -- Call the Physics Friends Hotline. -- -- Find out about your special density! -- From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Jan 9 16:38:06 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:38:06 -0600 Subject: (fwd) * NEW RELEASES * Message-ID: Here's an update from Cleopatra, direct from rec.music.progressive and edited w/out permission (read: unBOC-L-related entries deleted). Damon Capehart | The Society of Physics Students at UTD dcapehar at utdallas.edu | (yes, even though I'm actually a math major) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Cleopatra Records New Releases - JAN to MARCH 1996 This is a one time monthly posting of information to select newsgroups. JAN 96 1/16/96 > ANUBIAN LIGHTS > The Jackal & Nine(EP) > 9666 > $9.98 1/30/96 > V/A > SPACEDAZE 2000 > History & Mystery of Electronic Ambient Space Rock > 1844 > $14.98 FEB 96 2/06/96 > NIKTURNER > Past or Future? > 9685 > $14.98 From jguizar at EPIX.NET Tue Jan 9 17:19:17 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:19:17 EST Subject: OFF: assistance Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:32:32 GMT Jill wrote: >sorry - ignoramus request here in the hope that someone can advise. I >went away for several days and set the BOC-L to digest form. Sure >enough the digests arrived but so did all the usual messages one after >the other. So I ended up with as many messages as I would have got >normally! > >Can anyone tell me what *else* I should have done apart from telling >ListServ to set the digest form! Did you try sending the List Server the "NOMAIL" command? Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Jan 9 18:39:20 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:39:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Acid Daze\Anth\Godwin's Book Message-ID: Jill, you would be one of the most respected professors at Hawk U. Keep up the studies. NOW...I was reading The Illustrated Collector's Guide To Hawkwind, by Robert Godwin, looking at the main releases...and it seems that The Acid Daze and the Anthology records...are identicle! AD 1 = Anth 1, AD 2 = Anth 2, etc. Even down to the cover art. So AD = Anthology, no difference? Also listed here are: Acid Daze - The History of HW, all AD lps in one set. And an Approved History of HW, apparently the same set. If these are all official releases, approved even by the band, why so many repeats? Am I just stupid here?? I thought I wasn't stupid, but since hitting Stage B Hawkdom, I'm feeling very feeble here... Also, I've spoke w/Bernhard and Assassin Sonique about this book. Anyone else have any comments? It's a great book, but a little steep and cheap binding... Chuck From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Jan 9 18:48:17 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:48:17 -0500 Subject: OFF TOPIC: John Carter Songbook Message-ID: I picked up a rather interesting cd the other day, it is called The John Carter Songbook. It is by a fellow by the name of Sten Hanson, a Swedish composer. It is an import cd on a Swedish label. It seems he took the idea of what Martian music sounds like based on the character John Carter, from the Edgar Rice Burroughs books. It is ambient/electronic. Six of the tracks are what John Carter says Martian music sounds like, and the seventh track is based on a Michael Moorcock short story, and is called The Birthplace of Matter. It doesn't say what the story was called, but I assume it was the same title. I would like to thank fellow Hawkfriends Henrik and Joe for adding a little more information on this fellow, as I have never heard of him before. Each track has a bit of a story to it describing it. As to not fill this discussion group with off topic noise, I would be glad to discuss this cd privately via e-mail with anyone who is interested. I would be more than willing to make a few copies of this if any listmembers are interested. It is pretty good if ambient/electronic is your cup of tea. Have a good day, Duane aa5287 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu -- " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 9 19:05:06 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:05:06 GMT Subject: OFF: assistance In-Reply-To: Jerry Guizar's message of Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:19:17 EST Message-ID: > On Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:32:32 GMT Jill wrote: > > >sorry - ignoramus request here in the hope that someone can advise. I > > > >Can anyone tell me what *else* I should have done apart from telling > >ListServ to set the digest form! > > Did you try sending the List Server the "NOMAIL" command? > ah - nope! Knew I must have missed doing something. Should it have gone as a separate message? thanx jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gary at Z-CODE.NCD.COM Tue Jan 9 19:13:40 1996 From: gary at Z-CODE.NCD.COM (Gary Wingert) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:13:40 -0800 Subject: OFF: assistance In-Reply-To: Jerry Guizar "Re: OFF: assistance" (Jan 9, 17:19) Message-ID: On 09.Jan, jguizar wrote re: "Re: OFF: assistance" jguizar> On Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:32:32 GMT Jill wrote: jguizar> jguizar> >sorry - ignoramus request here in the hope that someone jguizar> can advise. I >went away for several days and set the jguizar> BOC-L to digest form. Sure >enough the digests arrived jguizar> but so did all the usual messages one after >the other. jguizar> So I ended up with as many messages as I would have got jguizar> >normally! > >Can anyone tell me what *else* I should have jguizar> done apart from telling >ListServ to set the digest form! jguizar> jguizar> Did you try sending the List Server the "NOMAIL"command? Just before the holidaze, I set BOC-L to digest and NOMAIL. Neither worked. I'm no newbie to listserv software, but this baffles! I think mayhaps that not all of the options are enabled? Ben? I also asked listserv to mail me a list of all options, but still no luck on enabling them.. gary From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 9 19:38:23 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:38:23 GMT Subject: HW: Acid Daze\Anth\Godwin's Book In-Reply-To: HERBERT119@delphi.com's message of Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:39:20 -0500 Message-ID: > Jill, you would be one of the most respected professors at Hawk > U. Keep up the studies. Thank you - I've had a good teacher over the years 8-) > NOW...I was reading The Illustrated > Collector's Guide To Hawkwind, by Robert Godwin, looking at the > main releases...and it seems that The Acid Daze and the > Anthology records...are identicle! AD 1 = Anth 1, AD 2 = Anth > 2, etc. Even down to the cover art. So AD = Anthology, no > difference? Also listed here are: Acid Daze - The History of > HW, all AD lps in one set. And an Approved History of HW, > apparently the same set. If these are all official releases, > approved even by the band, why so many repeats? Am I just > stupid here?? nope. I guess the band need the money! Approved History of Hawkwind = pic discs of Anthology 1, 2 and 3 in a blue bound folder with Brian Tawn booklet These pic discs have recently been reissued as individual items. Acid Daze box set = black vinyl Acid Daze 1, 2 and 3 in a box with Brian Tawn booklet Anthology 1,2 and 3 black vinyl = Acid Daze 1,2 and 3 black vinyl Anthology 1 and 2 CDs (original issue) = Anthology/Acid Daze 1 vinyl + a combination of 2 and 3 vinyl Acid Daze CDs 1,2 and 3 (recent issue) = Anthology/Acid Daze 1,2 and 3 vinyl I think that covers it! > I thought I wasn't stupid, but since hitting > Stage B Hawkdom, I'm feeling very feeble here... > Don't worry! I'm still confused too! However, as a rule of thumb, I usually reckon that if the album has a Brian Tawn sanction on the cover by way of one of his short histories then it's an official band release. Anything else is likely to be semi- at best. > Also, I've spoke w/Bernhard and Assassin Sonique about this > book. Anyone else have any comments? It's a great book, but a > little steep and cheap binding... > It came as part of a box set but, yes, it's not very substantial - probably to save on cost I'd guess. A pity because it's an invaluable reference book - essential in many ways because it draws so many different strands of info together. However we've got a much better Codex than his........ oops jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Jan 9 21:38:59 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:38:59 -0500 Subject: HW: Space Ritual misspressing In-Reply-To: <9601100038.aa24164@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Jan 10, 96 00:38:23 am Message-ID: Hi Folks: Back in December, I was in Best Buy and saw a copy of the One Way Space Ritual double CD for a mere $9 (new).....even though I already had it, I bought it anyway, not being able to pass up a good deal. Also, I knew my brother didn't have it yet (on CD, that is), so I gave him my old one as a bonus Christmas gift. Anyway, I didn't get around to playing this new one I bought until today, and have just discovered that it's an error....not really a misspressing, but rather a misprinting. The imprinting on the top surface of each disc is backwards....ie. Side 1 (according to the disc) begins with Orgone, and Side 2 (according to the disc) starts out with Earth Calling. Anybody else have one of these??? Is it a big deal to anybody?? It's not to me, so if someone collects such things, just ask.... See ya' Keith H. (khenders at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Wed Jan 10 01:56:08 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:56:08 -0800 Subject: HW: Space Ritual misspressing Message-ID: CDs don't seem to have any collector's value at all right now. Vinyl is still the fetish object of the music world! "Act like a dumbshit and they'll treat you as an equal." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Jan 10 04:57:23 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:57:23 GMT Subject: HW: Acid Daze\Anth\Godwin's Book In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:38:23 GMT Message-ID: There's also a 3-CD box set called Anthology that is completely different. This one is a "best of". Dave. From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Jan 10 06:56:49 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 06:56:49 -0500 Subject: HW: I know I'm only dreaming Message-ID: UK Hawksters, I'v eonly got a few days to book my tickets, so if anyone knows of any HawkEvents around the first week of February in the UK, I'd me most appreciative! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From lansford at VNET.NET Wed Jan 10 06:52:02 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:52:02 GMT Subject: Message from Bolle In-Reply-To: <960108164823_86080107@mail04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Rob Maerz wrote: >could someone act as an interpretor for the fwd'd message from Bolle? I >couldn't get the message after looking in me dictionary more than a dozen >times... Well, after much meditation, testing of various tongue positions, and heavy use of a deck of Tarot cards, I may have a partial translation.... I think he's saying that BOC is too big a band to dirty their hands with the business details, and that for the band members to try to get involved would upset someone in the management. (IMO, that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing....) Of course, there are those who believe that the musicians should be free to focus only on the music, but that's a luxury, not the necessity Bolle seems to be trying to make it. An increasingly unaffordable luxury for all bands; the days of the moderately sucessful bands having an army of managers is over. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jan 11 is Save Our Browns Internet Day - Join the Jihad! http://melkor.multiverse.com/sob/iday.htm -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 10 08:24:08 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 08:24:08 EST Subject: Message from Bolle Message-ID: > Well, after much meditation, testing of various tongue positions, and > heavy use of a deck of Tarot cards, I may have a partial > translation.... > > I think he's saying that BOC is too big a band to dirty their hands > with the business details, and that for the band members to try to get > involved would upset someone in the management. (IMO, that wouldn't > necessarily be a bad thing....) > > Of course, there are those who believe that the musicians should be > free to focus only on the music, but that's a luxury, not the > necessity Bolle seems to be trying to make it. An increasingly > unaffordable luxury for all bands; the days of the moderately > sucessful bands having an army of managers is over. > > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > Jan 11 is Save Our Browns Internet Day - Join the Jihad! > http://melkor.multiverse.com/sob/iday.htm > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net Jean, Did you happen to catch the 'Rolling Stone' with the Mick Jagger interview? [Please, please BOC-L ers no barrage of anti RS sentiment, I read it about once a year in the feeble hope that it might possibly have improved] I know it's a supreme insult to mention BOC and Jagger in the same breath, but the interview says that Jagger is involved in all of the Stones' tour details, to the most minute degree. I guess that if the frontman for the supposed 'world's greatest rock band' [we on BOC-L know better] can stoop to book gigs, hotels, etc., then it shouldn't be too much of a leap for our heroes to do the same. However, that's not how I read Bolle's post. I think he was saying that BOC wouldn't do an indie CD because the lack of front money would compromise the creative process by making them do a hurry-up job. I can buy that--to a point. What about 'Cult Classic?' Wasn't that an indie production? Granted, they're all old songs, but they were completely re-done, and the sound is great... comments? theo From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Jan 10 08:31:19 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:31:19 GMT Subject: HW: I know I'm only dreaming Message-ID: > UK Hawksters, > > I'v eonly got a few days to book my tickets, so if anyone knows of > any HawkEvents around the first week of February in the UK, I'd me > most appreciative! > > Paul > There's nothing Hawk-like mentioned in today's Melody Maker, although I did notice that there are tickets being sold for Gong in London on April the 12th (which doesn't really help much!). Sorry! bye - Rob From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Jan 10 09:18:46 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:18:46 EST Subject: HW: Acid Daze\Anth\Godwin's Book Message-ID: >> I thought I wasn't stupid, but since hitting >> Stage B Hawkdom, I'm feeling very feeble here... > >Don't worry! I'm still confused too! However, as a rule of thumb, I >usually reckon that if the album has a Brian Tawn sanction on the cover >by way of one of his short histories then it's an official band release. >Anything else is likely to be semi- at best. I recall at least once or twice in issues of Hawkfan where Brian Tawn complained of his "histories" appearing in whole or in part as CD inserts, without his knowledge or approval. I suppose these inserts were probably in non-"official" CDs. Although, I don't recall if the plagierizers actually credited Brian or not... so it may not be misleading after all? :-) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 10 10:02:54 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:02:54 -0500 Subject: Message from Bolle Message-ID: Theo, I read Bolle's post a little differently in part. I thought he was saying that one reason against an indie CD was due to their management -- perhaps Schenk and company don't feel that they would make as much $$ for themselves if the band released the material on an indie label as oppossed to landing a deal on a larger label. Whether the band is in a position to agree or disagree with that philosophy is unknown to me, but IMHO if the band waits too much longer before doing something, it will make little difference how the music gets released because no-one will be around to care either way (note: that scenario is realistically probably a few years away, so perhaps management feels it can bide its time?). And what about "Cult Classic"? Don't know if it qualifies as an "indie", but I doubt that album is making the band alot of $$. While I like the album in part, I think you will find that there are alot of folks (many of them here on BOC-L) who are not exactly fans of that release. John From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Jan 10 11:02:04 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:02:04 -0500 Subject: NY HW tribute In-Reply-To: <01HZSSLBA26013ZQ65@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> from "Scott Heller" at Jan 9, 96 07:58:00 am Message-ID: Scott writes: > > Hello, > I am listening to a tape of the NYE HW tribute from chicago right > now. It is an excellent quality soundboard generation from Doug Walker > of Alien Planetscapes. I would be wiling to do a tape tree of this > show for the folks interested. Depending on how many people are > interested. Hey....Scott: Yeah...I'd be interested, but I think it'd be better if people could contact you about this from now on by personal email (I don't have your address, and I don't see it in the directory I have). Give me a quick reply to my address below, and I can answer your questions about equipment or whatever. And by the way, Scott, thanks for recommending 'Dead Flowers' -- I find them to be very comparable to Ozrics music.....only better. :) See ya' Keith H (khenders at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jan 10 11:20:19 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:20:19 -0500 Subject: HW: Acid Daze\Anth\Godwin's Book In-Reply-To: <01HZTEJW8K6Q989IJU@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Jan 9, 96 06:39:20 pm Message-ID: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes: > HW, all AD lps in one set. And an Approved History of HW, > apparently the same set. If these are all official releases, > approved even by the band, why so many repeats? Am I just I recall reading an interview (in _Record Collector_?) in which Brock states that he collaborated with Samurai Records to produce a decent _Anthology_. However, they subsequently shopped the tapes around to whoever wanted to release them (presumably to recoup their own costs), which is why all those other _Anthology_ clones appeared. Of course, none of this was official or above-board, and much to Brock et al's (understandable) extreme displeasure. Cheers, Paul (dug out from under 34 inches of snow) obCD: Jethro Tull, _Songs From The Wood_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Wed Jan 10 16:42:55 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:42:55 U Subject: NY HW tribute Message-ID: >And by the way, Scott, thanks for recommending 'Dead Flowers' -- I find them to >be very comparable to Ozrics music.....only better. :) Dead Flowers. Top Geordie band! Cheers, Rich. ********************************************************************** ** Little Miss Muffet lay on her tuffet, covered in blood and flies ** ** A butcher had found her, and beaten and bound her ** ** And cut out her liver and eyes. ** ********************************************************************** From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Jan 10 12:34:20 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:34:20 GMT Subject: HW: Gong again Message-ID: Actually, talking of Gong's April gig, I noticed that they have a new album out on Monday called "Pre-Modernist Wireless on Radio". Anyone know anything about it? bye - Rob From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 10 13:06:47 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:06:47 EST Subject: cult classic Message-ID: > > And what about "Cult Classic"? Don't know if it qualifies as an "indie", > but I doubt that album is making the band alot of $$. While I like the > album in part, I think you will find that there are alot of folks (many > of them here on BOC-L) who are not exactly fans of that release. > > John John, I can understand the lukewarm response to Cult Classic. So many of those tunes bear Albert and Joe's artistic imprint that it seems almost sacrilegious to re-do the songs without them. Also, it is hardly possible to 'improve' songs that were already 'classic.' Why didn't they simply (I know it's not so simple) remaster the older material. Roadblocks from Sony? Who knows? I did like Cult Classic mainly because it presents many of the songs as they have evolved, and are now truer to the way they are performed live. Many of the songs--Flaming, ME262, etc.,etc. now have different arrangements when played live, and I generally prefer the newer versions. Also, I'm just a Cult addict--I like any chance to hear what BOC is doing theo From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 10 13:28:53 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:28:53 +0000 Subject: BOC/Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello all: Jazza's back on-line, hi to Charlie and the others I met at the Forum: Meanwhile has anyone had anything to say about the HW - (Moorcock) - BOC connection I was asking about before I went off for the holiday? If so could someone resend to me, no need to send to the whole list, and many thanks. JAZZA From stargaze at HEVANET.COM Wed Jan 10 13:47:00 1996 From: stargaze at HEVANET.COM (Mark Jeffers) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:47:00 PST Subject: BOC Radio Play Message-ID: >> Hello, >> >> I was wondering what BOC tunes people still hear on the radio >> these days (not counting special programs). >> >> I hear Reaper and Burnin' For You regularly these days, but beside >> an occasional Cities on Flame or Goin' Through the Motions, that's about >> it. Anyone else? > > >The very concept of 'classic rock' as a format- hell, the very idea of >'format' has killed any chance of anything interesting being played on the >radio. > >I found myself part of a focus group which picks the songs on a local radio >station. >They play you little snippets and ask you to rate them. >They don't ask you what you *want to hear* -just whether you like Green Day >or not or whether you like Bob Segar's "Old Time Rock and Roll" or not. >So, in my 'market' (Portland OR), apparantly, BOC is not considered air >worthy. So I have all their CDs. To hell with commercial radio. > >"Act like a dumbshit and they'll treat you as an equal." >-J.R. "Bob" Dobbs > > Well, I'm in Portland also and I've heard quite a few. Besides the regulars, DFtR, BfY, Godzilla, the local station occasionally plays Shooting Shark and a whole side from ETL They have also played special requests, such as Black Blade, and The Vigil. When I lived in LA I remember hearing Lips in the Hills quite a bit as well as This Ain't the Summer of Love, Take Me Away, Vet., and Sinful Love (once). /=====================================================================\ | Mark Jeffers | Sound and fury drowns my heart | | aka Nolan Voyd | Every nerve is torn apart..... | | stargaze at hevanet.com | "Cygnus X-1" - Rush | \=====================================================================/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 10 13:57:01 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:57:01 -0500 Subject: cult classic Message-ID: While not wanting to get further into re-hashing the Cult Classic discussion here, why the songs were re-recorded is discussed in the FAQ, but bassically: Stephen King wanted to use "The Reaper" for the TV mini-series adaptation of his novel, "The Stand". Columbia/CBS/Sony owned the rights to the song, so they couldn't just use the original version. So, BOC re-did the song, and got a one CD deal with Herald records to re-record a bunch of old material. John From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Jan 10 14:26:28 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:26:28 -0500 Subject: cult classic Message-ID: Theo says >I can understand the lukewarm response to Cult Classic. Well my reaction wasn't "lukewarm" - I hated it. Didn't you think it was really *sad*? I mean, their first album for six years (first album they'd actually made themselves for nine), and it was just a collection of oldies? - Andy ObCD: The Stooges - _Funhouse_ From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Jan 12 18:13:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:13:00 PST Subject: cult classic ? for AL Message-ID: > > And what about "Cult Classic"? Don't know if it qualifies as an "indie", > but I doubt that album is making the band alot of $$. While I like the > album in part, I think you will find that there are alot of folks (many > of them here on BOC-L) who are not exactly fans of that release. > > John >John, >I can understand the lukewarm response to Cult Classic. So many of >those tunes bear Albert and Joe's artistic imprint that it seems >almost sacrilegious to re-do the songs without them. Also, it is >hardly possible to 'improve' songs that were already 'classic.' Why >didn't they simply (I know it's not so simple) remaster the older >material. Roadblocks from Sony? Who knows? >I did like Cult Classic mainly because it presents many of the songs >as they have evolved, and are now truer to the way they are performed >live. Many of the songs--Flaming, ME262, etc.,etc. now have >different arrangements when played live, and I generally prefer the >newer versions. Also, I'm just a Cult addict--I like any chance to >hear what BOC is doing theo I have CC on tape (prior to the days of owning a cd player) but would not buy it on CD. Songs are fine and somewhat different but not worth duplicating in the collection. Put it as a vote for the original versions. Al. thanks for the biz lesson on how the royalties work but CC may be an oddity. By re-recording songs you wrote does: a) The band have to pay royalties to Sony for re-recording these songs? b) Who sends you roylaties from CC, Sony or Herald Records? c) Did you receive a performance royalty as well as the other royalties you would normally receive? It would seem you would since the band actually re-recorded each song. AB From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Jan 10 15:43:51 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:43:51 EST Subject: Samplers from Delerium (reprint from Gibralter) Message-ID: The most recent issue of Gibralter on-line progressive magazine contains a lengthy review of *2* samplers from Freakbeat/Delerium records. I highly recommend the "Pick & Mix" sampler, and I will now have to start hunting for the other sampler mentioned here. Following is the complete review, excerpted without permission from Gibralter V6 #3 (8 January 1996): ============================================================================= Gibraltar: gib at mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (subscribe, submissions, unsubscribe) 6101 Tullis Dr. #76, New Orleans, LA 70131 (Send material for review to this address.) <> ------------------------------ ARTICLES -------------------------------------- From: Mike Taylor (mike at plato.museum.tulane.edu) Subject: Sampler Discs Part 2 Date: 8 January 1996 "Freakbeat" is a British magazine dedicated to psychedelic music of a wide variety. Just how wide a variety can be determined by checking out the releases on the Delerium label, which happens to be run by the same guys who publish "Freakbeat." Of course, the magazine covers a broader spectrum than that of Delerium Records. They routinely cover bands from the Mystic Stones label, the Ozric Tentacles, Tangle Edge, The Spacious Mind...pretty much anything psychedelic. The pairing of "Freakbeat" and Delerium, however, made it very easy for "Freakbeat" to release several samplers representing the (mostly British) neo-psychedelic scene. The first sampler is called _A Psychedelic Psauna in Four Parts_, sponsored by "Freakbeat" spokesman, Lophophora Williamsii. The parts are coyly labled A, C, I and D. Each part is cohesive within itself and the flow among parts whisks you from the heavy trip beginning to the nether regions of the ethereal cosmos. Because this is a "Freakbeat" sponsored release, many of the bands come from labels other than Delerium, although most of these artists have had some sort of Delerium release. Part A ("Going Out") of the The Psauna begins with hot and heavily steam-ladden songs from Sundial and Magic Mushroom Band. Part C ("Staying for A Bit") is our first stop for a breather, giving previews of the rest of the trip yet to come ("Linton Samuel Dawson" by The Porcupine Tree) but reminding us that our feet are still bound to earth (a nice arrangement of the traditional song "Cold Rain & Snow" by The Bevis Frond.) "Going Further" (Part I) does take us further out yet we are visting comfortable, familiar territory. These songs remind of us our psychedelic roots ("Summers End in San Francisco" by "John Fallon" and the Beatlesque "Hello or Goodbye" by Tyrnaround) but let us now that the here is now. Finally, we are "Leaving Completely" (Part D) with the spaciest, most trance-inducing tracks, including the bizarre "Black Ferris Wheel" (The Colored Plank), "Conspiracy" (Mandragora) and "Erp Riff '83" (The Ozric Tentacles, of course). Ahhhh, the trip has been wonderful to this point. But don't blow yr trip forever because you still have to get back. But how? Perhaps, under a different light, you'll figure it out. Until then, why not have some _Fun With Mushrooms_. _Fun With Mushrooms_ is the second of the "Freakbeat" releases. This time, Mr. Williamsii is joined by his down-to-earth (some might say full-of-shit) mate, Psilocybe Semilanceata. While they sip a nice cup of organic tea, the listener is invited to float along on a fungal fantasia. The album opens and closes with Boris and his Bolshie Balalaika setting the mood, delivering his humorous "Toadstool Soup." As expected, there is a good wealth of psychedelic variety: sitar-laced Saddar Bazaar, fuzzed Farfisa garage from 14th Wray, meditative serenity from Tangle Edge, Watch Children -- who could pass as reincarnated Monkees dropping acid, the reggae rhythmed "protest" song from Dean Carter & the High Commission (who, as Psychomuzak, recorded the *brilliant* _The Extasie_ on Delerium) and a brief spoken word from pro-psychedelic spokesman Terrance McKenna (who sounds an awful lot like former American president George Bush). Like _Psychedelic Psauna_, the bands represented come not only from Delerium but also a variety of other psych-related labels. There are also five "bonus" tracks which are really the five remaining tracks that would not fit on the _Psychedelic Psauna_ CD but were on the original 2LP set. The booklet contains a small amount of information on each band, as well as a contact address. The best is still to come from Delerium. _Pick & Mix_ is a 2CD sampler -- sold for the price of a single disc -- released in the later half of 1995. Both CDs contain songs from established Delerium artists, such as Porcupine Tree, Dead Flowers, Mandragora, Kava Kava and Psychomuzak, as well as new artists pending their first release. These bands include Suicidal Flowers, Electric Orange and The Incredible Expanding Mindfuck. The first disc is the "Pick" disc with 13 tracks. These are generally more uptempo pieces but still representing a good diversity of psychedelic styles, such as the funk-tinged grooves of Kava Kava, the space-tinged Nukli, the heavy Omnia Opera and the folk/psych of The Aardvarks and Suicidal Flowers. (Suicidal Flower's song "Ease II" is gorgeous and very comparable to the rare British band Ithaca. I'm very much looking forward to this release.) The "Mix" side is spacier material, including a 13 minute excerpt from Porcupine Tree's "Voyage 34." Other bands include Dead Flowers and the newly signed Electric Orange (whose self-titled first release is excellent). Liberation Thru' Hearing give a reading of "The Root Verses of the Six Bardos," taken from the "Bardo Thodol," aka "The Tibetan Book of the Dead." Praise Space Electric play a jazzy space jam in between a reading of Charlie Parker's "Ornithology." Steve Wilson, of Porcupine Tree, continues to expand and enlighten with a synth-based project, The incredible Expanding Mindfuck. _Pick & Mix_ has wonderful flow and balance between the songs, surprising for a sampler compilation. This set is a steal of a deal and is well worth the single disc cost to introduce you to the joy of Delerium. For more information on Delerium and Freakbeat, contact them at delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk. Hope you enjoyed this LONG article. Apologies for the bandwidth if you did not. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObBestLiveFrom95(94): King Crimson "B'boom" ($24.99 at Best Buy!) From lansford at VNET.NET Wed Jan 10 17:00:53 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:00:53 GMT Subject: Message from Bolle In-Reply-To: <219625C317D@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, "Ted O. Jackson" wrote: >the interview says >that Jagger is involved in all of the Stones' tour details, to the >most minute degree. I guess that if the frontman for the supposed >'world's greatest rock band' [we on BOC-L know better] can stoop to >book gigs, hotels, etc., then it shouldn't be too much of a leap for >our heroes to do the same. "Greatest" is a matter of taste; "world's most successful still recording rock band" is almost indisputable. >However, that's not how I read Bolle's post. I think he was saying >that BOC wouldn't do an indie CD because the lack of front money >would compromise the creative process by making them do a hurry-up >job. I can buy that--to a point. I can't at all, but I'll cover that in a direct response to Bolle's comments. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jan 11 is Save Our Browns Internet Day - Join the Jihad! http://melkor.multiverse.com/sob/iday.htm -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Jan 10 17:37:04 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:37:04 -0500 Subject: BOC: Underbelly Updates Message-ID: hi there, updates to Underbelly Online for January: http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html Stairway - check out the SIFK's BOC reference, and the NEW BOC tour shirt info Lips - articles, concert reviews and a new interactive column "Transmaniacon PC" with Wallace McBride Zilla - BOC-Lers: the Chat Logs are here Scopes - nuttin but da linx ST - got rid of da dead wood.......... ROBO From lansford at VNET.NET Wed Jan 10 17:47:15 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:47:15 GMT Subject: Message from Bolle In-Reply-To: <960108112550_35219207@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I know Bolle is unlikely to see this, but we can still debate it to little shreds. >Forwarded message: >Subj: BOC fall off >Date: 96-01-07 02:20:37 EST >From: TUBULAR 1 >To: DFrost8547 > > > >It's not up to Eric nor Buck to come up with Concert Venues to >play, The record company side of things are harsh business negotiations that >never touches the band, Only its management deal with these Questions. So far, so good, but only if you've got a competent lawyer dealing with the Company's lawyers. >Without record company support, there is no financial back-up either to >record a new album in old fashioned ways, which means a lot of Studio time >spent on testing out ideas, doing pre-production and several recordings. How many record companies are going to pay for that nowadays? Given the Corporate mindset Bolle refers to later, I wouldn't expect a company to give its artists any leeway to play around, just a minimum of studio time to get the tracks down. That's a big reason, I've been told, that indie publishing has become so popular with musicians. They have the luxury of playing around with the tracks until they're satisfied instead of having to rush a disc out to meet the Company's marketing schedule. >These days there isn't even time nor money for these bands to even rehearse >properly nor is there a budget set up for any active planning for a tour, >record, video, whatever... Re up front money for major tour and video, he has a point. >You all suffer from the small mind thinking of a band being like some garage >outfit that still book their own gigs, pay for their own rehearsals and >recordings... It's not that we're thinking small so much as that we expect the companies to do so. I'd wager most of us have based our opinions on our own experiences with the 90s version of a corporation; this sounds like someone expects things to be like they were in the 70s. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jan 11 is Save Our Browns Internet Day - Join the Jihad! http://melkor.multiverse.com/sob/iday.htm -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Jan 10 19:30:10 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:30:10 EST Subject: OFF: assistance Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:13:40 -0800 you wrote: >jguizar> Did you try sending the List Server the "NOMAIL"command? > >Just before the holidaze, I set BOC-L to digest and NOMAIL. >Neither worked. I'm no newbie to listserv software, but this >baffles! I think mayhaps that not all of the options are >enabled? Ben? I also asked listserv to mail me a list of >all options, but still no luck on enabling them.. I just checked some of my mail and I used these commands INFO REFCARD INFO GENINTRO I think that's the one's for the info. If you want I'll go thru my archived mail and see if I still have the one with all the commands. I sent the commands to 'listserv at listserv.spc,edu' with a blank Subject line and the commands as the message. To shut mail off I did the same (no subject and message of - SET BOC-L NOMAIL). I'm subscribed from two different addresses, but only get mail at one of them (not this one). Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Jan 10 19:32:42 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:32:42 EST Subject: OFF: assistance Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:05:06 GMT Jill wrote: >> >sorry - ignoramus request here in the hope that someone can advise. I >> > >> >Can anyone tell me what *else* I should have done apart from telling >> >ListServ to set the digest form! >> >> Did you try sending the List Server the "NOMAIL" command? >> > >ah - nope! Knew I must have missed doing something. Should it have >gone as a separate message? I've sent multiple commands before and thought it worked. For no mail it's: SET BOC-L NOMAIL Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Wed Jan 10 19:28:16 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:28:16 -0800 Subject: cult classic In-Reply-To: <21E18397257@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: Dear Theo, > I did like Cult Classic mainly because it presents many of the songs > as they have evolved, and are now truer to the way they are performed > live. Many of the songs--Flaming, ME262, etc.,etc. now have > different arrangements when played live, and I generally prefer the > newer versions. I have not heard Cult Classics myself, but I agree that older material with newer arrangements are very good, nay, favorites of mine. Especially D&S. Also, I'm just a Cult addict--I like any chance to > hear what BOC is doing AMEN, brother, amen. - A passerby in Times Square From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Wed Jan 10 19:30:36 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:30:36 -0800 Subject: cult classic In-Reply-To: <199601101857.NAA04932@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > While not wanting to get further into re-hashing the Cult Classic > discussion here, why the songs were re-recorded is discussed in the > FAQ, but bassically: > > Stephen King wanted to use "The Reaper" for the TV mini-series adaptation > of his novel, "The Stand". Columbia/CBS/Sony owned the rights to the > song, so they couldn't just use the original version. So, BOC re-did > the song, and got a one CD deal with Herald records to re-record a bunch > of old material. > > John > Stephen King (mis)quotes from DFtR in the original release of The Stand, hence his interest in the song for the TV miniseries. - A Passerby in Times Square From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Wed Jan 10 22:12:20 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:12:20 -0500 Subject: cult classic ? for AL Message-ID: >Al. thanks for the biz lesson on how the royalties work but CC may be an >oddity. By re-recording songs you wrote does: > >a) The band have to pay royalties to Sony for re-recording these songs? Yes, but not to Sony Music but Sony Publishing which now owns the publishing rights. >b) Who sends you roylaties from CC, Sony or Herald Records? Sony Publishing sends me royalties. Herald pays them (Sony Publishing) $.065 per song per album sold. >c) Did you receive a performance royalty as well as the other royalties you >would normally receive? It would seem you would since the band actually >re-recorded each song. Because I did not perform on any of the Herald tracks I am not entitled to a performance royalty. Al From des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM Wed Jan 10 23:09:31 1996 From: des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM (E F) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:09:31 -0500 Subject: A view on the state of BOC In-Reply-To: <199601110012.TAA23981@epix.net> from "Jerry Guizar" at Jan 10, 96 07:30:10 pm Message-ID: I forward some messages regarding BOC from this group to a friend of mine who has yet to subscribe (the mail volume is prohibitive right now). Here is a message he sent me regarding some of the current thoughts on BOC and their status as a band as he sees it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:16:39 +0001 (EST) Subject: Re: BOC To: E F Pretty interesting- It's truely amazing the volume of speculation that was generated by this (relatively) small band from oyster bay long island (is that right?). And the fact that people like this fellow STILL continue to "beat a dead horse" so to speak. I love BOC, but until they come out with something NEW (and of merit) I will "back burner" them. They are regarded by some within the industry as "greasy kid stuff". I think part of the problem is that songs about mysticism tend to become trite over time and their listening audience, composed of teenage white males, have LARGELY grown up, and now are buying steely-dan albums and drinking chardonnay. Quite a problem, encountered by MANY a band over the years. I think they need to write some GROWN up material - Imaginos was a good attempt and it actually captured some of the might, majesty, and mystery of the earlier BOC albums. Unfortunately - NO SINGLE, and the album disappeared quickly (It DID however hit the charts when it debuted, but quickly disappeared without a radio hit). I'm not asking for a Matthew Sweet album, I just don't want any of this "ROck til you drop" songs that are so FUNNY when these old geezers do it live! Get a grip guys! Your NOT 18!!! (Though they are the same height as 18 year olds). The "formulaic" songs of the 70s that made them big, will not work in the 90s (thank god), the formula has changed. Their competitors are NOT QUiet Riot and Twisted Sister and FLock of Seagulls. Their competition are (majority of) very BROAD audience bands, bands that appeal to MANY different demographic groups. This makes a comeback all the more difficult, especially if they write things like "Still Burnin'". So until transformations become too hard to find - and Buck gets lifts- Later- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've chosen not to edit any of this (and I think I'm going to pay for that "lifts" comment ;-) Well, back to sheltering myself from winter by listening to my newly purchased used Pioneer PL-250 turntable ($2.00 at a Flea Market!) and my Spirit albums. --Eric From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jan 10 23:19:55 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:19:55 +1100 Subject: OFF: Test Message-ID: Gidday All! I (Assassin Sonique') just subscribed to BOC-L from my work account, and just seeing if it operates! Please ignore ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... 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Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au World Wide Web: http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jan 11 00:51:46 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:51:46 +1100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack in Fortean Times Message-ID: Hi Guys, There is a 'letter to the editor' in issue 83 of the Fortean Times all about 'Sonic Weapons', the first two paragraphs of which discuss Hawkwind's _Sonic Attack_, including some of the lyrics, then goes on to talk about the 'reality' of Sonic Weapons. Interesting reading! Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au World Wide Web: http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Jan 11 01:04:11 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 01:04:11 -0500 Subject: cult classic Message-ID: On 10-JAN-1996 19:45:13.9 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, John A Swartz wrote: >> While not wanting to get further into re-hashing the Cult Classic >> discussion here, why the songs were re-recorded is discussed in the >> FAQ, but bassically: >> >> Stephen King wanted to use "The Reaper" for the TV mini-series >adaptation > of his novel, "The Stand". Columbia/CBS/Sony owned the >rights to the > song, so they couldn't just use the original version. >So, BOC re-did > the song, and got a one CD deal with Herald records >to re-record a bunch > of old material. >> >> John >> >Stephen King (mis)quotes from DFtR in the original release of The Stand, >hence his interest in the song for the TV miniseries. And, for any newcomers, someone here mentioned a few months back that "Tatoo Vampire" gets mentioned in The Talisman (by King and Peter Straub)! I dug that book outta my dresser and found it. Something about the heavy metal music of "Tatoo Vampire" floating along the air, or something... May sound kinda corny, but anyone who refers to that killer tune is tops in my book. Chuck BLHA LBHA HELLO "Vampire photo suckin' the skin..." `[1;37;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From Prozaxs at AOL.COM Thu Jan 11 01:06:27 1996 From: Prozaxs at AOL.COM (Ken Long) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 01:06:27 -0500 Subject: A view on the state of BOC Message-ID: I think quite a few valid points are made here, concerning the demographic profile of BOC fans- both the age group and how times have changed. I think the jest of that thought can be summed up in the 'Benz commercial. in which one dreamed about playing lead guitar in a garage band, doing BOC cover tunes in their youth. New material from BOC would have to reflect life's on golden pond. Although I sometimes think I'm still 16-- I'm not. 'Benz recognized that matured youthful spirt in crafting their commercial. BOC must do likewise with any future releases. (my $0.02) Ken From matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jan 11 13:00:31 1996 From: matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Matt Curtis) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:00:31 +0000 Subject: HW Sonic Attack Message-ID: [from a letter to Fortean Times, issue 83 (October-November 1995)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SONIC WEAPONS Geoff Holder's questions about sonic weapons [FT77:57] stirred something in my memory which was more than rememberances of Hawkwind's `Sonic Attack'. This song (or more accurately poem) written by Michael Moorcock in the early 1970s was a mainstay of the band's performances from 1972 until the present day. The lyrics tell in graphic detail the effects of a sonic attack on the human body ("You will notice a vibration in your vertebrae. You will hear a distant hissing in your ears. You will feel dizzy. You will feel the need to vomit. There will be bleeding from orifices. There will be an ache in the pelvic region. You may be subject to shouting or even laughter") - and gives instructions on how to survive the attack. Hawkwind are not alone in describing sonic weapons. In 1986 Kate Bush released a single called `Experiment IV' which describes a secret research project to record a collection of the most hideous sounds available to produce panic and untimely destruction of its test subjects. The experiment goes horribly wrong, causing a powerful and destructive force to be unleashed with disasterous consequences. Other fictional accounts range from _The Biggles Movie_ to a 1960s Tin Tin comic book, _The Calculus Affair_. The first reference I have to a working weapon is one created toward the end of World War II as a panicked Third Reich grasped for any straw to retain power. The weapon, created by Dr Richard Wallauschrek at Lofer in Austria, consisted of a large parabolic dish, about three metres in diameter. A series of rapid explosions (about 1,500 per second of an oxygen/methane mix) at the focal point caused a high intensity shock wave to be formed. When focused by the dish, the shock wave could theoretically kill at 60 metres and disable at 300 metres. The weapon doesn't seem to have been tested on a human being, but there are sketchy records suggesting laboratory tests on animals. However, I think the weapon both Geoff and myself are remembering is described by Dr Lyall Watson in his marvellous book _Supernature_. A certain Professor Gavraud always fell ill whilst working in his office. He was on the point of resignation when he tracked down the cause of his nausea to a low frequency (7Hz) vibration. He investigated furhter and eventually built a giant device shaped like a French police whistle, six feet long and powered by compressed air. Unfortunately, he failed to take precautions and the technician who gave the whistle its first test dropped dead on the spot, his internal organs mashed to a pulp. Despite this, Gavraud pressed on, learning how to control his device. By aiming two weapons and triangulating their "beams", a resonance was set up in a target building five miles away, literally shaking it apart. A disturbing fact is that these weapons can be built cheaply and although the plans are said to be easily available from the Paris Patent office, I failed to track them down. Why research stopped is unclear; perhaps it continued behind closed doors. Indeed, I do remember rumours of possible sonic pulse weapons being deployed by the CIA in the Gulf War, as well as the use of CIA psychic weapons in covert operations. There were two intriguing news reports in 1994. The Russian extremist Vladimir Zhirinovsky claimed in February that a new "Elipton" weapon, which produced a massive pulse "impossible for a man", had been used to kill Muslim soldiers near Belgrade [FT75:6]; and Cable Bosun Roger Launder from Plymouth, working on the Royal Maritime Auxilary Ship Newton off the Florida coast, was killed in July when a "sound bomb" he was holding exploded prematurely (_Daily Telegraph_ 19 July). I would like to thank the following FT readers whose replies to Geoff Holder's queries have helped my research: Steve Croucher, Mike Grant, Phil Hide, Dean Howard, Shaun Ivory and Anthony I.P. Owen. Andy Cobley Dundee ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -matt -- Matthew Curtis (matt at pcmicro.com.au) #612340583175 (R) IMPENDING DOOM HAS ARRIVED page 1 of 1 pages From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Jan 11 04:09:08 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 09:09:08 +0000 Subject: Samplers from Delerium (reprint from Gibralter) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:43:51 EST." <9601101543.A12573@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: > The most recent issue of Gibralter on-line progressive magazine > contains a lengthy review of *2* samplers from Freakbeat/Delerium > records. I highly recommend the "Pick & Mix" sampler, and I will > now have to start hunting for the other sampler mentioned here. > > The best is still to > come from Delerium. _Pick & Mix_ is a 2CD sampler -- sold for the price of > a single disc -- released in the later half of 1995. Its better than that in fact. _Pick & Mix_ is getting sold for just over the price of a cd single, i.e. about L4.99 over here (or maybe that's what you meant) I snagged a copy but haven't given it a full listen yet. Tim ObCD: Fear Factory - Demanufacture From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Jan 11 06:43:48 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:43:48 +1100 Subject: HW: WWW Page update stuff Message-ID: Gidday All! I've just added some stuff to my WWW pages, and trhought I'd better tell ya all about it! First up, all those concert reviews that I nagged everyone to re-post are available at http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hawkwind/gigs It contains the NME review of the '93 Brixton all-nighter, and BOC-L reviews of the October '95 Brixton, Wolverhampton & Hastings gigs. Second, the Nik interview by our resident crazy swedes (Hawkjoe & Henrik) after his gig with DarXtar last month is at http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hawkwind/talk While on the subject of DarXtar, if you missed the review of _Daybreak_, you can read that at http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hawkwind/daybreak.pgw Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Jan 11 18:20:27 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:20:27 +0000 Subject: HW Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: <199601110653.RAA01393@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Matt Curtis wrote: > [from a letter to Fortean Times, issue 83 (October-November 1995)] So! That's what you do all day while you are supposed to be working! Welcome to the Future (or at least the hallowed IP packets of BOC-L)! (And I thought that mailing each other across the LAN instead of walking the ten feet to your desk was lazy!) Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Jan 11 18:36:26 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:36:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Final Request Message-ID: OK Guys & Gals, This is the last time I'll hassle the list on this topic, but does *anyone* know of any HW (or F&R) events occuring in the UK in the first week of February? Paul (paul at pcmicro.com.au)/Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Jan 11 07:58:13 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:58:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Final Request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Paul Ward wrote: > OK Guys & Gals, > > This is the last time I'll hassle the list on this topic, but does > *anyone* know of any HW (or F&R) events occuring in the UK in the first > week of February? I think the silence on the subject indicates that no-one knows of anything going on. I haven't heard of anything - the last HW gig I knew about was a few days before Xmas. Dave From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jan 11 09:05:53 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:05:53 +0000 Subject: BOC Radio Play In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In re what BOC gets played, speaking as a London, Englander, I can say that the only BOC song I've ever heard on the radio is DFtR, and not always the full version. Life can be grim in this little island.. Jazza From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jan 11 09:20:40 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:20:40 +0000 Subject: A view on the state of BOC In-Reply-To: <199601110409.XAA15894@ritz.mordor.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, E F wrote: > I forward some messages regarding BOC from this group to a friend of mine > who has yet to subscribe (the mail volume is prohibitive right now). > > Here is a message he sent me regarding some of the current thoughts on > BOC and their status as a band as he sees it. > > 'I love BOC, but until they come out with something NEW (and of merit) I > will "back burner" them. They are regarded by some within the industry as > "greasy kid stuff". I think part of the problem is that songs about > mysticism tend to become trite over time and their listening audience, > composed of teenage white males, have LARGELY grown up, and now are > buying steely-dan albums and drinking chardonnay. Quite a problem, > encountered by MANY a band over the years.' Well, this here teenage white male ( teenage only for a month and half more, but I'm trying not to let it go easy ) was into Steely Dan long before I was BOC, and they're still my second favourite band, BOC now being first. And I hate Chardonnay, and always will. Riesling's the stuff. Also, more seriously, it seems to me that if mysticism is the problem, then Imaginos is surely the worst offender. I think calling BOC's stuff childish is a bit harsh: it has a lot of the old heavy-metal focus on death, drugs and the devil, sure, but Sandy Pearlman seems to me to have drawn on a quite huge background knowledge, which is a damn sight more sophisticated than the average heavy rock/metal. And the same goes for the music, which is maybe more important...? Does it make or break your liking a band that their lyrics are a bit dated sometimes, when you've got riffs like Tattoo Vampire's, Godzilla's, DFtR's, and HRtH's? Arbitrary selection there, but you see my point? But then, I'm just one of those `greasy kids', so what do I know? I'd be interested in your friend's thoughts on this, however. And I agree with him on one major thing: new material. It's badly needed: Havest Moon, I suppose, but I imagine ( though I don't know - someone feel free to correct my lamentable ignorance ) that that's going out as a Buck Dharma production, for all that BOC are playing it every gig? And one or two songs like that since Imaginos is not what you could call a flood of output. Ah well. Steely Dan don't do anything any more either... Jazza From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Thu Jan 11 09:28:37 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 09:28:37 EST Subject: A view on the state of BOC Message-ID: Interesting commentary. I see things about the same. RR From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 11 09:46:55 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 09:46:55 -0500 Subject: cult classic Message-ID: John Paine writes: Stephen King (mis)quotes from DFtR in the original release of The Stand, hence his interest in the song for the TV miniseries. Yes, I believe the misquote is "C'mon Mary - Don't Fear the Reaper". John From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Jan 11 09:48:48 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 09:48:48 -0500 Subject: Slough: 11/6/84 Message-ID: Going through my box of tapes last night and I came across this one. Excellent. I can't figure out if the date is in English or American (11th of June or 6th of November). Nik is unmistakenly present which brings me to the question I was going to ask of the resident experts. What was the last Hawkwind gig at which Mr. Turner performed? Yours enquiringly Martyn From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jan 11 10:16:13 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:16:13 -0500 Subject: A view on the state of BOC Message-ID: >On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, E F wrote: (Harvest Moon) >to correct my lamentable ignorance ) that that's going out as a Buck >Dharma production, for all that BOC are playing it every gig? They didn't play it when I saw 'em at Sunrise (Nov 30), but apparently they did at most other recent stops. They only played '..see you in black' of their new stuff when I saw them. ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jan 11 10:16:10 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:16:10 -0500 Subject: HW Sonic Attack Message-ID: >Hawkwind are not alone in describing sonic weapons. Let's not forget "Attack of the Killer Tomatos" in which the tomatos are driven back by a sonic weapon, the playing the song "Puberty Love"... In both of Butterworth's books on the "Hawklords", the band use sonic guns to blast creatures with Hawkwind songs, but the weapons work not because of sonic damage but rather the inability of the evil creatures they train the guns upon to stand to such killer music. The guns pointed at good people don't hurt. Of course the bad guys counter with sonic weapons playing Elton John, so.... I believe in an episode of Dr. Who, the good doctor (who always carries his trusty sonic screwdriver) used a "sonic scalpel" to cut something, but I'm not sure which episode... ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 11 10:18:04 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:18:04 -0500 Subject: A view on the state of BOC Message-ID: Eric, I disagree with some of your "friend's" comments. One being that BOC should somehow take their music/songwriting to a different level since this is no longer the 70's. Or that BOC shouldn't be trying to appeal to the same age group now since they are older. This is flawed thinking, IMHO. BOC (and any artist for that matter) should do whatever makes them happy as far as producing music goes, and hopefully people will like it -- but I personally feel the artist should be happy first. If it doesn't work for yourself, how do you expect it to work for others? And why should BOC suddenly try to appeal to older people? In general, it's the younger folks who buy the albums and go to the shows (I said in general), so why shouldn't the band continue to try to appeal to young people? Also, this person has seemed to have lost sight of the fact that BOC was much deeper musically and lyrically than the "ROck til you drop" songs -- this band was always much deeper than that so I think the person is way off base with that comment. And finally, something which I've said before -- sure BOC hasn't put out a lot of new stuff lately, and sure I like hearing new stuff. BUT -- none of that detracts from my love of the band. I still like to put on my old BOC CD's and listen to the classics. If I want to listen to some new stuff, I'll put on something else, but that does not take away from the great music that BOC has brought to me. John From irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU Thu Jan 11 10:27:44 1996 From: irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 09:27:44 -0600 Subject: BOC: sighting Message-ID: Sighted in CMJ New Music Monthly Magazine, Feb. 1996. The magazine throws in quotes or little factoids that they find amusing/enlightening in the margins of various pages... Here's one that I'm sure we all knew already, but an interesting sighting nonetheless... "We used to shoot [laser] cones into the crowd, but the government won't let you do that anymore." - Buck Dharma of Blue Oyster Cult from an interview to promote _Workshop of the Telescopes_, the group's retrospective compilation. -Bryan From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Thu Jan 11 09:42:42 1996 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:42:42 +0000 Subject: HW Sonic Attack -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [from a letter to Fortean Times, issue 83 (October-November 1995)] Hawkwind are not alone in describing sonic weapons. In 1986 Kate Bush released a single called `Experiment IV' which describes a secret research project to record a collection of the most hideous sounds available to produce panic and untimely destruction of its test subjects. -matt <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< yeah, and british listers have had the full horror of these experiments uleashed on them in the shape of robson & jerome, aka the singing squaddies 8-( ygafw From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Jan 11 10:57:45 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:57:45 GMT Subject: A view on the state of BOC In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:16:13 -0500 Message-ID: I think they should do songs about abduction by aliens. It's all the rage, you know. Dave. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 11 11:00:24 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:00:24 EST Subject: A view on the state of BOC Message-ID: > > I forward some messages regarding BOC from this group to a friend of mine > > who has yet to subscribe (the mail volume is prohibitive right now). > > > > Here is a message he sent me regarding some of the current thoughts on > > BOC and their status as a band as he sees it. > > > > > 'I love BOC, but until they come out with something NEW (and of merit) I > > will "back burner" them. They are regarded by some within the industry as > > "greasy kid stuff". I think part of the problem is that songs about > > mysticism tend to become trite over time and their listening audience, > > composed of teenage white males, have LARGELY grown up, and now are > > buying steely-dan albums and drinking chardonnay. Quite a problem, > > encountered by MANY a band over the years.' > > > Well, this here teenage white male ( teenage only for a month and > half more, but I'm trying not to let it go easy ) was into Steely Dan > long before I was BOC, and they're still my second favourite band, BOC > now being first. And I hate Chardonnay, and always will. Riesling's the > stuff. > Also, more seriously, it seems to me that if mysticism is the > problem, then Imaginos is surely the worst offender. I think calling > BOC's stuff childish is a bit harsh: it has a lot of the old heavy-metal > focus on death, drugs and the devil, sure, but Sandy Pearlman seems to me > to have drawn on a quite huge background knowledge, which is a damn sight > more sophisticated than the average heavy rock/metal. And the same goes > for the music, which is maybe more important...? Does it make or break > your liking a band that their lyrics are a bit dated sometimes, when > you've got riffs like Tattoo Vampire's, Godzilla's, DFtR's, and HRtH's? > Arbitrary selection there, but you see my point? > But then, I'm just one of those `greasy kids', so what do I know? > I'd be interested in your friend's thoughts on this, however. And I agree > with him on one major thing: new material. It's badly needed: Havest > Moon, I suppose, but I imagine ( though I don't know - someone feel free > to correct my lamentable ignorance ) that that's going out as a Buck > Dharma production, for all that BOC are playing it every gig? And one or > two songs like that since Imaginos is not what you could call a flood of > output. Ah well. Steely Dan don't do anything any more either... > Jazza Jazza, Right you are, on so many points. Nice to see a young'un with so much insight and articulation. With 'friends' like this, who needs enemies? theo From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Thu Jan 11 11:27:59 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:27:59 -0800 Subject: A view on the state of BOC Message-ID: This guy was right on. They need to make that jump into the 21st Century. Neil Young did it. Ozzy Osbourne did it. Why not BOC? It's basically the same brain trust that came up with the older, weirder stuff. My girlfiend thinks I'm nuts to like BOC, but she likes the older stuff-thinks it's very punk. And it is. The production values- they just play straight through amps without overproduction. I have a natural aversion to anthems, so that's why I thought Club Ninja was a hummer. I have a feeling that their next album is going to be another Club Ninja. But I remain hopeful: More creepy, badass songs about sinister UFOs, and Vampires ("The Toadies" have turned the Vampire genre into a songwriting goldmine) less songs about interpersonal relationships and "How Fun It Is To Rock On" "Act like a dumbshit and they'll treat you as an equal." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Thu Jan 11 11:32:02 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:32:02 -0800 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack in Fortean Times Message-ID: >Hi Guys, > >There is a 'letter to the editor' in issue 83 of the Fortean Times >all about 'Sonic Weapons', the first two paragraphs of which discuss >Hawkwind's _Sonic Attack_, including some of the lyrics, then goes on >to talk about the 'reality' of Sonic Weapons. Interesting reading! Is this the most recent issue? With the "Usual Suspects" cartoon on the cover? "Act like a dumbshit and they'll treat you as an equal." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Thu Jan 11 11:06:01 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:06:01 EST Subject: A view on the state of BOC Message-ID: > BOC should somehow take their music/songwriting to a different level > since this is no longer the 70's. Or that BOC shouldn't be trying to > appeal to the same age group now since they are older. Exactly, BOC seems to refuse to move ahead with the rest of us. They want to keep play'n the same stuff, same way, to the same people. I like the old stuff too but they're stuck at bottom dead center. They should show more range. RR From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Jan 11 11:30:19 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:30:19 GMT Subject: HW: new bootleg In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:18:11 GMT Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > The bootleg is called DAMNATION ALLEY and the cover says that it was > recorded in MINNEAPOLIS on 04.October 1989. > > I compared the CD with the live tape I have from this gig and it seems to be > true. But the CD has not the complete gig. Here is the track listing from > the bootleg: > > magnu / down through the night / treadmill / wind of change 7 / assault & > battery / golden void / arrival in utopia / brainstorm / dream worker / > damnation alley / ejection Out of interest, how did they extract "arrival in utopia" from the middle of "back in the box"? Did they just chop the beginning off, leaving the brief return between "arrival in utopia" and "brainstorm"? Dave. From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Jan 11 11:41:06 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:41:06 +0100 Subject: Slough: 11/6/84 Message-ID: Hello Martyn HAWKWIND played Slough in 1984 only on 23.November and 16.February!! Just send me the track listing and I will tell you the exact date! >What was the last Hawkwind gig at which Mr. Turner performed? It was Brixton, 05.March.1989 ....and I hope it was his very last gig with HAWKWIND..... ttyl Bernhard From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jan 11 11:53:27 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:53:27 GMT Subject: HW Sonic Attack -Reply Message-ID: If I remember correctly, there was research done by Germany in WW1 or WW2 into a weapon which could use Ultrasonics to disable enemy troops. bye - Rob From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Jan 11 11:57:47 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:57:47 -0500 Subject: HW Sonic Attack -Reply Message-ID: >yeah, and british listers have had the full horror of these experiments >uleashed on them in the shape of robson & jerome, aka the singing >squaddies 8-( > >ygafw Are these the guys who did amazing grace? If so I was subjected to them on New Year's eve when I was in London Martyn From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Jan 11 15:54:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:54:00 PST Subject: cult classic ? for AL Message-ID: >c) Did you receive a performance royalty as well as the other royalties you >would normally receive? It would seem you would since the band actually >re-recorded each song. >Because I did not perform on any of the Herald tracks I am not entitled to >a performance royalty. >Al Sorry for the confusion but I was thinking more in line that since the band was re-recording songs that already existed would this somehow count in the performance category where they would owe you a royalty for in essence "performing" your songs. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Jan 11 16:09:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:09:00 PST Subject: A view on the state of BOC/ In regards to Bolle Message-ID: Wouldn't say you were wrong on your opinions there Jazza, nor is the forwarded friend message totally off base. People who aren't big fans of BOC tend to feel that way about them (at least the people I've talked to). Killer riffs and intelligent lyrics aside BOC dosen't appeal to a lot of people anymore; probably because MTV and radio stations do not flood the senses with BOC music. Turn on almost any rock station and you can hear the same songs by the newer groups every hour. Play your radio for a month and you may hear one BOC song if your lucky. Certainly new material would help, but the band does have a way of making new fans with their live performances. In regards to Bolle's comments it seems that the band puts too much of their control in the hands of management, i.e., acting big though they are anything but, from a commercial standpoint. If they are making good money doing what they are doing and are happy to be making this money then maybe they lack the motivation to put out the new material. If what Bolle is saying can be interpreted as "thats why we have managers" then the band is akin to dumb jocks, allowing others to set their future and guard their well being. A serious lack of vision or motivation is whats bugging BOC nowadays. Perhaps they are too comfortable to take a chance on doing something extreme and going for the throat, read find us a label Steve we want this album on the market in six months. I like Kens thoughts on this subject too. Anybody know how sales of WOTT and 3 pak are doing? AB From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jan 11 13:22:14 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:22:14 -0500 Subject: Slough: 11/6/84 Message-ID: Bernhard says >>What was the last Hawkwind gig at which Mr. Turner performed? >It was Brixton, 05.March.1989 Turner was there a part of his All-Stars (this was the Calvert memorial gig), but I don't recall him being part of the Hawkwind line-up? Unless he joined for an encore, or some such? I do remember him being a bit of a wanker at the end of the show, though, refusing to leave the stage and basically spoiling the atmos. I think he might have had a beef with Brock taking what Turner thought was more than his share of the proceeds. But I didn't really want to hear about it. >....and I hope it was his very last gig with HAWKWIND..... That seems likely at this time... - Andy ObBook: Julian Cope - _Head-On: Memories of the Liverpool Punk-scene and the story of The Teardrop Explodes; 1976-82_ From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Jan 11 13:47:58 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:47:58 -0500 Subject: Slough: 11/6/84 Message-ID: >Hello Martyn > >HAWKWIND played Slough in 1984 only on 23.November and 16.February!! > >Just send me the track listing and I will tell you the exact date! > >>What was the last Hawkwind gig at which Mr. Turner performed? >It was Brixton, 05.March.1989 > >....and I hope it was his very last gig with HAWKWIND..... > >ttyl >Bernhard Thanks Bernhard. I will check the tape when I go home. As regards the last gig, I thought he left as a regular member of Hawkwind in 1984/1985 because he was present on the 84 tour but was absent when they released the COtBS. So when was his last gig in this period? I presume the Brixton 1989 gig was a guest appearance. I know many people don't like Nik but I miss the terrible sense of humor in his remarks between songs! Cheers Martyn From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Jan 11 16:54:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:54:00 PST Subject: Directory News Message-ID: Since we are about to be hit with another 12 inches this weekend I will be re-doing the directory and plan to post it in the next few days. Be advised I have recieved the following changes to be reflected in the directory. Al's new address John Swartz new address Bernard P.'s new address Will also delete a few of the recent departures. Also be advised that I am switching to digest mode today therefore if you have changes they may be slow to reach me unless you send them directly to me. Thanks AB From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 11 14:18:17 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:18:17 GMT Subject: HW Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:16:10 -0500 Message-ID: > >Hawkwind are not alone in describing sonic weapons. > > I believe in an episode of Dr. Who, the good doctor (who always carries his > trusty sonic screwdriver) used a "sonic scalpel" to cut something, but I'm > not sure which episode... > Ah - the sonic screwdriver - the only "weapon" our peaceable Time Lord was permitted to carry around with him! It seemed to have an invisibility cloak attached to it as well or maybe another dimensionality in that it would vanish from the plot for ages only to suddenly reappear again. I think they kept forgetting about it. In the graphic comic that starred Hawkwind (can't remember the title now.... ?something Henry) Brock attacks some viscious evil beastie that is threatening the universe et al with a blast of pure sonic Hawk music. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 11 14:21:25 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:21:25 GMT Subject: HW: Final Request In-Reply-To: Paul Ward's message of Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:36:26 +0000 Message-ID: > OK Guys & Gals, > > This is the last time I'll hassle the list on this topic, but does > *anyone* know of any HW (or F&R) events occuring in the UK in the first > week of February? > sorry Paul - I know of nothing that'll be happening in that period. If you get to London and check some of the gig lists at the various ticket venues you might find some interesting stuff but I suspect Hawkwind have gone into Winter retirement. Likely spring equinox before they emerge again and my guess is they'll stay near the south/west coasts even then. Enjoy the trip and if you get near Edinburgh let us know! cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jan 11 14:54:08 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:54:08 -0500 Subject: HW Sonic Attack Message-ID: >> >Hawkwind are not alone in describing sonic weapons. >In the graphic comic that starred Hawkwind (can't remember the title >now.... ?something Henry) Brock attacks some viscious evil beastie >that is threatening the universe et al with a blast of pure sonic >Hawk music. > Hmmmmm would that be "Ledge of Darkness"? There was a followup to "Time of the Hawklords" in Queens of Deleria, and if I remember right either after that or the second part of that was done as a comic (Tom & Crow: "Graphic Novel!") graphic novel... throughout the series Brock, Nik, and many others dispense of beasties with these sonic guns. I think Griffin was offering it in a boxed set with a Hawkwind album, but I'm not sure which... Despite the fact that they only list these items as available in boxed sets with other albums, if you write them they'll sell the books and co..graphic novels seperately to those who have the albums they're boxed with (which can be rather pricey)... ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jan 11 14:54:05 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:54:05 -0500 Subject: State of B.O.C. / "Ripper" w/ B.O.C. Message-ID: >I like Kens thoughts on this subject too. Anybody know how sales of WOTT >and 3 pak are doing? I don't know if they were sold or pulled for shelf space, but persuing lately I can't seem to find WOTT in most of the music stores I frequent (did see them in a circuit city, but that's about it). Ditto for 3-Pak. They did get some more stuff they'd not had in ages (OYFOOYK), but no WOTT. On another note, caught an ad for "Ripper", the CD-Rom game that has B.O.C. music. The first few ads I saw didn't mention anything, but finally the last one (2-page ad in PC Gamer) mentioned in the list of features (first, I might add) "* Featuring the music of Blue Oyster Cult". I've heard iffy stuff about the game itself, as overblown production and multimedia does not alone a game make (it's supposed to come on six CD's, and features a number of known actors), but I may have to pick it up for no other reason than the soundtrack.... which then leads to wondering if Al (hey, AL) gets stuff from this as well (I'd imagine so...). Only thing I've heard is that it will have DFtR, nothing else on what they'll use. Since it is set in the future, with a psychotic killer, there are any number of appropriate tracks they might use. We can only hope this killer will at some point go collecting eyes, eh? If the game is done right, this could be very good exposure, but this kind of game has been done so wrong so many times before... I hope this one does better. Keepin fingers crossed.... ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Jan 11 14:59:40 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:59:40 EST Subject: HW Sonic Attack Message-ID: >In the graphic comic that starred Hawkwind (can't remember the title >now.... ?something Henry) Brock attacks some viscious evil beastie >that is threatening the universe et al with a blast of pure sonic >Hawk music. > >jill This was called "Savage Henry" wasn't it? I remember Brian Tawn mentioning it in a HWFB a couple of years ago. I went down to the local shop for those kind of mags, but they had never heard of it and could not order it for me. :-( I thought Brian said that only Dave Brock appeared in this strip, though. If anybody out there has an extra copy, I would be willing to work a trade for it. Then again, if S.H. is *not* what you were thinking of, I would like to know where else HW appears in comics. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Jan 11 15:53:09 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:53:09 +0100 Subject: HW: new bootleg Message-ID: Hello >Out of interest, how did they extract "arrival in utopia" from the middle >of "back in the box"? Did they just chop the beginning off, leaving the >brief return between "arrival in utopia" and "brainstorm"? It starts with ARRIVAL IN UTOPIA and ends with the last part (about one minute) of BACK IN THE BOX Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Jan 11 16:01:19 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:01:19 +0100 Subject: Slough: 11/6/84 Message-ID: Hello Martyn > Thanks Bernhard. I will check the tape when I go home. >As regards the last gig, I thought he left as a regular member >of Hawkwind in 1984/1985 because he was present on the 84 tour >but was absent when they released the COtBS. So when was his last >gig in this period? I presume the Brixton 1989 gig was a guest >appearance. You are right, Martyn! Niks last appeareance as a "regular" member during a tour was WORTHING, 29.11.1984. After this gig HAWKWIND and Nik parted their ways, though Nik played occasionally with them, in Manchester 1985, in Clyro 1988 and in Brixton 1989. >I know many people don't like Nik but I miss the terrible >sense of humor in his remarks between songs! You are maybe right, but if you had listened to some tapes from the 1982-1984 period, you'd know what I mean.... cu Bernhard From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 11 18:36:55 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:36:55 GMT Subject: HW: tour programmes in Record Collector Message-ID: Just for the curious - a couple of tour programmes are advertised in the Jan edition of Record Collector. I'll give brief details but if anyone wants more detailed info just let me know! Hawkwind Sonic Attack programme + ticket 20.00 pounds Hawkwind Astounding Sounds tour (1976) 15.00 pounds Hawkwind Masters of the Universe (1979) 20.00 pounds cheers jill PS other Hwkwind stuff on offer includes a Church of Hawkwind + book for 22.00 pounds (vinyl); Alien4 and Business Trip double vinyls and In Search of Space vinyl for 18.00 pounds. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Jan 11 21:09:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:09:00 -0500 Subject: NYE Tape Tree update Message-ID: Angels of Death Band- 25 years On... Fantasy Theatre, Cleveland Ohio 12/31/95 Steve Taylor- Guitar, Vocals * Tom Marianetti- Drums@ Unknown-Drums * Mark Marianetti- Vocals/Poems @ Unknown- Bass * Unknown- Acoustic Guitar, Vocals * Unknown- Guitar, Vocals * Greg Kozrs @ Steve Hayes- Synthesizers * Doug Walker- Synthesizers, Effects, Electronic Reeds and Flutes + *Member of Steve Taylor Unit #Member of Arc Met + Member of Alien Planetscapes @ Member of Marianetti Band Track list Standing on the Edge Down thru the Night Black Corridor Space is Deep Master of the Universe Spirit of the Age Robot Drug Cabinet Key Demented Man Heads We took the wrong steps years ago ? Jam Uncle Sams on Mars Sonic Attack The Watcher The Dream is over????? Full show is about 115 min long, which would make this more than a one tape deal. F/i from the same show will be the filler. This will also turn people on to F/i who have not heard them before. To sign up for the tree, fillout the form and send it to me at: hellers at a1.mgh.harvard.edu -------------------------------------------------------------- Name: e-mail addresss: Can you make copies: If so, describe your equipment: -------------------------------------------------------------- The Deadline for sending in the form will be Jan 19th! I will post the organization for the tree soon after that. Scott ObCassette: Ozric Tentacles- Edwards Pub, Birmingham 8/28/90 From matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jan 12 13:06:05 1996 From: matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Matt Curtis) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:06:05 +0000 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack in Fortean Times Message-ID: > >There is a 'letter to the editor' in issue 83 of the Fortean Times > > Is this the most recent issue? With the "Usual Suspects" cartoon on the cover? > It might be the latest issue, it's Oct/Nov 1995. They may have come out with a Dec/Jan issue though; we're always a few months behind import magazines here (unless you want to pay double for everything.) -matt -- Matthew Curtis (matt at pcmicro.com.au) #612340583175 (R) IMPENDING DOOM HAS ARRIVED page 1 of 1 pages From matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jan 12 13:06:04 1996 From: matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Matt Curtis) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:06:04 +0000 Subject: HW Sonic Attack Message-ID: > >Hawkwind are not alone in describing sonic weapons. > > I believe in an episode of Dr. Who, the good doctor (who always carries his > trusty sonic screwdriver) used a "sonic scalpel" to cut something, but I'm > not sure which episode... Just to drive it further off topic, there was a Sylvester McCoy episode (the 7th doctor) which had Alexi Sayle playing an insane megalomanic radio DJ with a sonic weapon, and the quote (in put on Scottish accent): "It's a beam of concentrated rock'n'roll. It kills." -matt -- Matthew Curtis (matt at pcmicro.com.au) #612340583175 (R) IMPENDING DOOM HAS ARRIVED page 1 of 1 pages From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Jan 12 07:32:17 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr. Big Mike Light) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:32:17 +0000 Subject: HW: Nik's special appearances post 1984 In-Reply-To: <199601112101.WAA22826@exit.ruhr.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > Niks last appeareance as a "regular" member during a > tour was WORTHING, 29.11.1984. After this gig HAWKWIND and Nik parted their > ways, though Nik played occasionally with them, in Manchester 1985, in Clyro > 1988 and in Brixton 1989. I thought he also appeared at the Summer Solstice gig in 1985, or whichever year it was that took place on top of the iron age hill fort with the white horse (Westbury?). But this is only hearsay. Mike w From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Jan 12 07:45:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:45:00 -0500 Subject: HW: Final Request Message-ID: Hello, Try and send a fax to Emergency Broadcast System (ie. Doug Smith) at: 081 896 1778) perhaps he will know something??? Scott ObCassette: ICU- Dingwalls 3/21/85 From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Jan 12 09:03:10 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:03:10 -0500 Subject: HW Sonic Attack Message-ID: >Just to drive it further off topic, there was a Sylvester McCoy >episode (the 7th doctor) which had Alexi Sayle playing an insane Sylvester McCoy? Bahhh! :-) Much like Pink Floyd went completely downhill after Syd Barrett left, so did Dr. Who after William Hartnell left Martyn # # ####### ####### ###### # # ### # # # ####### ####### # # # # # # ## ## # ## # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### ###### # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # ####### # # # # # # # # # # # # ## # # # # # # # ####### # # # # ### # # # # # ####### From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 12 10:06:56 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:06:56 +0000 Subject: HW Sonic Attack -Reply In-Reply-To: <9601111653.AA12310@etlxd20c> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Rob Stuckey wrote: > If I remember correctly, there was research done by Germany > in WW1 or WW2 into a weapon which could use Ultrasonics to > disable enemy troops. Dear Rob, affirmative: don't know what they did in Germany, but similar work was being done in Japan. There was a lot of Allied worries about a Japanese `deathray', but by the surrender it could still only kill a rabbit at 300 yards after half an hour... I assume this was ultrasonics, but I could be wrong. Thought you might be interested anyway, JAZZA From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 12 10:11:25 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:11:25 +0000 Subject: A view on the state of BOC/ In regards to Bolle In-Reply-To: <30F5703D@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, BREVARD Adrian R. wrote: > Certainly new material would help, but the band does have a way of making > new fans with their live performances. In regards to Bolle's comments it > seems that the band puts too much of their control in the hands of > management, i.e., acting big though they are anything but, from a commercial > standpoint. If they are making good money doing what they are doing and are > happy to be making this money then maybe they lack the motivation to put out > the new material. If what Bolle is saying can be interpreted as "thats why > we have managers" then the band is akin to dumb jocks, allowing others to > set their future and guard their well being. A serious lack of vision or > motivation is whats bugging BOC nowadays. Perhaps they are too comfortable > to take a chance on doing something extreme and going for the throat, read > find us a label Steve we want this album on the market in six months. I wasn't here and receiving when Bolle's comments were posted: could someone resend them to me off-list? Also, related to what I said last time, how is `Harvest Moon' available? I bet it won't be on tape: he groans as he contemplates the expense of the step up to CD... JAZZA /________________________________________________________\ | () | | Jon Jarrett () "What that boy needs is | | Pembroke College () a damn good haircut | | Cambridge CB2 1RF () and a spell in the | | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk () Army" | \___________________________()___________________________/ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 12 10:22:12 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:22:12 +0000 Subject: OFF: Floyd In-Reply-To: <9601121403.AA12357@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Martyn White wrote: > Sylvester McCoy? Bahhh! :-) Much like Pink Floyd went > completely downhill after Syd Barrett left, so did Dr. Who after > William Hartnell left I'm halfway with you here: I do think Barrett, considering the amount of acid he got through, was a worryingly good guitarist, and some of his stuff is brilliant: I like Lucifer Sam a lot, and I heard it first on an indie show, where it still seemed to fit...! Some of it on the other hand shows more acid than talent: I think Floyd took a little while to recover after he left ( although considering he now lives with his mother as a confirmed and totally incurable chronic schizophrenic, it was a good thing in the long run ), but once you get to Wish You Were Here, Waters was better than Barrett ever would have been, composition-wise, and Gilmour had come good too. I think it's a change of style, not quality: now they're better overall, but not as trippy. But if you like trip-rock, then obviously you'll prefer the early stuff. Anyway, just my view. Yours, Jazza P.S. But you're right about Dr. Who. Peter Davison? Yeah right... From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Jan 12 10:41:33 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:41:33 GMT Subject: HW: Sonic Attack -Reply Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > There was a lot of Allied worries > about a Japanese `deathray', but by the surrender it could still only > kill a rabbit at 300 yards after half an hour... I assume this was > ultrasonics, but I could be wrong. hmmm.... very interesting. So where would a person get hold of one of these if, say as an example, they wanted to dispose of noisy neighbours? If it kills a rabbit in half an hour at that range I'm sure it'd do 3 students at 30 feet in the 8 hours they're asleep..... Not, of course, that I'm advocating killing noisy students but you'd get away with it wouldn't you? They'd have mashed insides caused by some unknown source wouldn't they? Can't see a coroners jury giving anything other than an open verdict ;-) The again if I did get my hands on one it'd be just like the bastard Tories to go round handing out metal limbs, special cocoons and complimentary simultaneous orgasms to all first time voters in an ultimately successful bid to buy their votes :-( Chris From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Jan 12 11:09:09 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:09:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gong US tour In-Reply-To: <01HZSSLBA26013ZQ65@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> from "Scott Heller" at Jan 9, 96 07:58:00 am Message-ID: Hi Folks: Just saw this note on rec.music.progressive confirming that Gong is planning to come to the states soon...looks like another road trip coming up. :) See ya' all there...... Keith H. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Attention: The classic Gong lineup is coming to the U.S. in March. Daevid Allen, Gilli, Mike Howlet, Tim Blake, Pip Pyle etc. Watch for prog bord postings etc. From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Jan 12 11:42:33 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr. Big Mike Light) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:42:33 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind and Roy Harper ? Message-ID: I have just bought Roy Harper's Work of Heart CD on Awareness Records (AWCD 1002) and have had a bit of a shock on reading the booklet notes. It says that Paul Cobbold played 'Additional Bass', and in the list pf special thanks to those who helped it lists (along with Kate Bush, Dave Gilmour, Paul McCartney, Jimmy Page and Robert Plant) Thomas Crimble. Does anyone know anymore than this? Mike w From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Jan 12 11:47:31 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:47:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Nik's special appearances post 1984 Message-ID: Hi there >I thought he also appeared at the Summer Solstice gig in 1985, or >whichever year it was that took place on top of the iron age hill fort >with the white horse (Westbury?). But this is only hearsay. It is the truth! I have got the tape. And he really played with HAWKWIND on this day (21.06.1985). Huw Lloyd Langton was not there. cheers Bernhard From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Jan 12 12:00:17 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:00:17 GMT Subject: OFF: Floyd In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:22:12 +0000 Message-ID: > but once you get to Wish You Were Here, > Waters was better than Barrett ever would have been, composition-wise, > and Gilmour had come good too. I think it's a change of style, not > quality: now they're better overall Now? Now they're rock dinosaurs with no imagination and no new ideas. But they were good in the seventies. Dave. From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jan 12 12:40:22 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:40:22 -0500 Subject: NYE Tape Tree update Message-ID: > Angels of Death Band- 25 years On... Fantasy Theatre, Cleveland Ohio > 12/31/95 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Name: Andrew A. Apold > e-mail addresss: mordru at magg.net > Can you make copies: um, not really > If so, describe your equipment: > -------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 12 13:14:49 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:14:49 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: HW Sonic Attack -Reply In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:06:56 +0000 Message-ID: > On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Rob Stuckey wrote: > > > If I remember correctly, there was research done by Germany > > in WW1 or WW2 into a weapon which could use Ultrasonics to > > disable enemy troops. > > Dear Rob, > affirmative: don't know what they did in Germany, but > similar work was being done in Japan. There was a lot of Allied worries > about a Japanese `deathray', but by the surrender it could still only > kill a rabbit at 300 yards after half an hour... I assume this was > ultrasonics, but I could be wrong. Thought you might be interested anyway, > JAZZA hmmmm - now that reminds me of reports I've heard that the big transmitters on the high windswept moors of northern England someplace have been known to gather a collection of dead pigeons or other birds in the vicinity all knocked out by the microwaves...... Mebbe? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Jan 12 14:08:36 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:08:36 -0500 Subject: Quote by Patti Smith? In-Reply-To: <9510301232.AA12424@phinet.sb.com> from "CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY" at Oct 30, 95 07:32:17 am Message-ID: > > I believe (tho' I can't check because I haven't got a copy) that on > the back cover of "Radio Ethiopia" it says thanks to Blue Oyster Cult's > road crew, who perform the backing vocals on one track. If this is > so, it is an obvious artefact for any BOC completist. Should it be or > is it in the FAQ? > Perhaps Peter's wife has a copy and the exact wording can be posted. > > .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com > Hmm, if memory serves, Alan Lanier provided keys 'n vox to the track "Space Monkey". Don't have it, never heard it, could be wrong... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Jan 12 14:13:40 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:13:40 -0500 Subject: Quote by Patti Smith? In-Reply-To: <9510301232.AA12424@phinet.sb.com> from "CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY" at Oct 30, 95 07:32:17 am Message-ID: Uhhh, this is _really weird_, I just got about 25 mail messages from different sources dumped in my mailbox, all from the end of October. Sorry about being really late about the Patty Smith thang... We now return you to 1996... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 12 14:16:18 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:16:18 GMT Subject: NY HW tribute In-Reply-To: 617's message of Tue, 9 Jan 1996 07:58:00 -0500 Message-ID: 617 writes: Hi Scott. I'll happily do a trade for this tape on the usual basis I can also do a copy for Jill. Tapelist appended. Cheers Mike > Hello, > > I am listening to a tape of the NYE HW tribute from chicago right > now. It is an excellent quality soundboard generation from Doug Walker > of Alien Planetscapes. I would be wiling to do a tape tree of this > show for the folks interested. Depending on how many people are > interested. Here is the form: > > Name: > e-mail address: > Can you make copies: > What kind of equipment do you have: (be brief) > > > It looks like the show is 100 or so minutes long. Here is the set so > far: > > A] Standing on the Edge of Time > Down thru the Night > Black Corridor > Space is Deep > Master of the Universe > Spirit of the Age > (38m) > > b} Robot > Drug Cabinet Key > Demented Man > > We took the wrong steps years ago > > > After I determine the number of people interested and have gone thru > the tape and determined if it will fit on a 100min tape or willneed > people to send 110 or 2 60 min tapes, I will let everyone know. I am > now on the digest, so I will be slower to respond to the normal mail > flow. > > SCott > > ObCassette: Angels of Death Band- NYE Cleveland 12/31/95 > (that's what Doug called the tape!) Hawkwind Live ============= BBC 1969/1971 C60 9 Notting Hill Gate 28/1/70 20m 8 Port Talbot 1970 20m 4 Colchester Technical College Essex 19/2/71 C60 5 Berlin Waldbuhne 1/6/71 10 mins 6 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 21/7/71 C60 6 Potters Bar London 14/10/71 C45 8 Birmingham Kinetic Playground 12/12/71 C45 10 Birmingham Kinetic Playground 12/12/71 C90 7 Darnstadt 1971 C90 6 Brian Matthews Show BBC Disk 1972 C60 10 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 6/5/72 C65 7 Essen Grugahalle 10/9/72 C60 5 London Dream Machine 14/10/72 C60 10 Liverpool Stadium 23/12/72 C120 10 London Edmonton Sundown 29/12/72 2xC60 7 Dusseldorf 24/2/73 C100 8 Volkhaus Zurich 12/10/73 C100 6 Chicago 11/73 C30 8 Academy of Music, New York 25/11/73 C110 7 Newcastle City Hall 11/12/73 C120 8 Ford Auditorium Detroit 28/12/73 C90 9 Dublin National Stadium 4/2/74 C90+C60 7 Philadelphia 6/4/74 C90 5 Harlow 10/8/74 C90 9 Manchester 14/12/74 C90 6 Frick 16/5/75 C90 7 Reading Festival 22/8/75 C100 7 Watchfield Festival 23/8/75 C90 8 Roundhouse 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Slough 21/11/84 C100 10 Westbury White Horse Festival 21/6/85 C90+C30 6 Crystal Palace 24/8/85 C45 9 Hammersmith 3/12/85 C120 8 Hammersmith 4/12/85 2xC60 9 Hawkon 1985 C90 8 Radio Session 1985 30 9 Oxford New Age Fayre 5/5/86 C90 9 Exeter Festival 6/7/86 C90 9 Reading Festival 24/8/86 C90 10 Hammersmith 28/11/86 C90 9 Batchkapp Frankfurt 26/5/87 C90 10 Southampton Top Rank 4/8/87 C90 9 Finsbury Park Acid Daze I 23/8/87 C90 9 Leeds Queens Hall Acid Daze II 12/12/87 C90 10 Hammersmith 22/4/88 C60 9 Leicester 25/4/88 C90 10 St David's Hall Cardiff 28/4/88 C100 7 Hammersmith 14/12/88 C90 9 London Town & Country Club 15/12/88 C120 9 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 21/7/71 C60 6 Brixton 5/3/89 C90 9 Woolwich 5/6/89 C90 9 Toronto Diamond 24/9/89 45 8 Washington DC 9-30 Club 26/9/89 C100 10 23rd Avenue Cabaret Ardmore 29/9/89 C60 7 San Francisco 7/10/89 C90 9 San Diego Bacchanal 10/12/89 C90 10 Hammersmith 1989 C90 9 First Avenue Minneapolis 10/89 C90 10 Glastonbury Festival 23/6/90 C90 9 Newport Leisure Centre 1/11/90 C90 9 The Event Brighton 7/11/90 C90 9 Southampton Mayflower 9/11/90 C60 9 Oakland Omni 16/12/90 C90 9 San Francisco Stone 17/12/90 2xC60 7 Cologne Germany 14/3/91 2xC60 9 Bochum Germany 19/3/91 C100 10 Stuttgart 21/3/91 C110 9 Washington DC 21/5/91 C90 9 Brixton Academy 6/7/91 C90+C15 10 Mildenhall Festival 3/8/91 C90 10 East Berlin 5/10/91 C90 10 York Barbican 13/12/91 C90 8 Cardiff 14/12/91 C90 10 Wolverhampton 15/12/91 C90 10 Brighton 24/4/92 C100 10 Southampton University 25/4/92 2xC60 10 Newcastle Mayfair 29/4/92 C100 8 Edinburgh Playhouse 1/5/92 2xC60 9 Cambridge Corn Exchange 11/5/92 C90 10 Reading University 19/5/92 C100 10 Brixton Academy 15/8/92 C90+C60 8 Kilburn National Ballroom 13/12/92 2xC60 8 Manchester Rockworld 7/4/93 C120 8 Truro City Hall 11/4/93 C100 8 Rotterdam Night Town 24/4/93 2xC60 7 Utrecht Tivol, Holland 29/4/93 C100 9 Derby Custom Bike Show 31/7/93 C90 9 Brixton Academy 14/8/93 C90 9 Cambridge Junction 11/11/93 C90 10 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 12/11/93 C90 9 Liverpool Royal Court 17/11/93 C90 9 Glasgow Barrowlands 20/11/93 C120 10 Worthing Pavillion 25/11/93 C90 10 Hastings Pier 27/11/93 C120 10 Henglo Metropol, Arnheim 9/12/93 C90 9 Manchester Rockworld 13/4/94 C90 9 Oxford Apollo 15/4/94 C100 9 Koln Live Music Hall 13/11/94 C90 9 Springfield 1995 C90 10 Phoenix Club Toronto 4/4/95 C90 10 St. Catherine`s Hideaway 5/4/95 C90 8 Derby MAG Festival 29/7/95 C100 8 Hawkwind Video -------------------------- 1983 Video - Live at Edinburgh Playhouse 1982 1983 M.A.G.Bike festival 1984 Video - Stonehenge Festival 1984 [Jettisoundz 20 mins] 1984 Video - Night of the Hawk (recorded Ipswich 9/3/84) 1985 Video - Hawkon convention 1986 Video - Chronicle of The Black Sword 1987 Bristol Custom Bike Show 1986 (5 mins) 1987 Bochum - Germany 1990 Video - Hawkwind 1979-1989 1990 Video - Tregowrey Festival 1991 Live Legends - Castle Music Pictures CMP 6005 1991 Video - Live in Bochum, Germany 19/3/91 1992 Bournemouth Academy 1990 1992 Hawkwind Promos Video 1992 Sonic Attack Tour '81 1992 USA Tour 89/90 1992 Brixton Academy 15/8/92 1972 Moorcock Interview (Silver Machine 2 mins) 1977 Marc Bolan Show (Quark, Strangeness, and Charm single) 1985 Live Aid (Brainstorm) 1983 Tour (30 mins) ???? German TV (Who's Gonna Win The War?) 1992 Cambridge Corn Exchange 1989 Boston 20/9/89 Dave Brock ---------- Dharma Blues 1967 40m 8 Agents of Chaos, Birmingham Kaleidoscope 1988 C90 9 Agents of Chaos,Camden Electric Ballroom 16/11/88 C90 9 Agents of Chaos Leeds Phoenix Club 15/3/89 C90 9 Brock Demos 1975 20 mins 7 Bob Calvert ----------- The kid From Silicon Gulch 1/5/81 2xC90 7 Calvert & Kranchshaft at Liverpool ? 45 7 Calvert - Beer-Keller 28/5/86 45 7 Calvert - Maximum Effect 1986 C90 9 Calvert - The Cellar Tapes 1986 C90 9 Calvert Video ------------- Maximum Effect Tim Blake --------- Waterfalls in Space C60 7 Live at Orsay 2xC60 9 Home Demos 45 7 Amsterdam 1979/ Leglise St Gervais 1975 C90 6 Oxford Poly 1977 C60 9 Paris Hippodrome [from Gong reunion gig 28/5/77] C90 8 Villejuit, Paris 20/5/78 (90) C90 8 Paris Hippodrome 1977 (60) C60 5 Palace Theatre, Paris 18/2/77 (90) C90 8 Home Demos 1978 45 7 Blake & Agents of Chaos 1989 45 9 Baltimore 1991 110 10 Kennel Club, San Francisco 7/10/92 100 10 Gong 25 Years Concert, London Forum 9/10/94 35 8 Tim Blake Video --------------- US tour 1990 UK Electronica (20 mins) Baltimore 1991 Nik Turner's Sphynx ------------------- Unreleased studio Material 11/78 C60 9 Camden Electric Ballroom 78 C45 9 Nik Turner's Pinkwind --------------------- Pinkwind London Emerald Centre 22/12/93 C90 8 Pinkwind Festival of The Sun 29/8/93 C90 9 Pinkwind Glastonbury Town Hall 12/93 Video 7 Pinkwind Albuquerque 11/1/94 C100 9 Pinkwind Masquerade, Atlanta 21/1/94 C110 10 Pinkwind Cambridge, Massachusets 29/1/94 C110 10 Pinkwind Milwaukee Swank Hall 6/2/94 C100 10 Nikwind San Francisco 21/2/94 C100 9 Pinkwind Glastonbury Festival '94 6/94 C90 9 Mulowind -------- Mulowind, Bristol Fleec & Firkin 2/9/91 C90 8 Huw Lloyd-Langton ----------------- Cas Rock Cafe, Edinburgh 10/12/94 C90 9 Mike Moorcock ------------- Deep Fix cuts + BOC at Fantasy Con C90 9 Interviews ---------- Dave Anderson Interview - Orbit 12/85 C45 10 Richard Chadwick Interview - BBC Radio 22/11/93 C45 10 From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Fri Jan 12 14:28:20 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:28:20 -0800 Subject: cult classic In-Reply-To: <199601111446.JAA06861@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > John Paine writes: > > Stephen King (mis)quotes from DFtR in the original release of The Stand, > hence his interest in the song for the TV miniseries. > > > > Yes, I believe the misquote is "C'mon Mary - Don't Fear the Reaper". > > John > Yep, as I look through my copies (original and unexpurgated versions) they are both there that way. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 12 14:27:35 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:27:35 GMT Subject: HW Sonic Attack In-Reply-To: Matt Curtis's message of Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:00:31 +0000 Message-ID: Matt Curtis writes: > [from a letter to Fortean Times, issue 83 (October-November 1995)] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > SONIC WEAPONS Geoff Holder's questions about sonic weapons [FT77:57] > stirred something in my memory which was more than rememberances of > Hawkwind's `Sonic Attack'. [...] > The first reference I have to a working weapon is one created toward > the end of World War II as a panicked Third Reich grasped for any > straw to retain power. Hmmmmm, perhaps the author missed the reference to one Joshua and a place called Jericho in the world's most popular book? [...] > There were two intriguing news reports in 1994. The Russian extremist > Vladimir Zhirinovsky claimed in February that a new "Elipton" weapon, > which produced a massive pulse "impossible for a man", had been used > to kill Muslim soldiers near Belgrade [FT75:6]; and Cable Bosun Roger > Launder from Plymouth, working on the Royal Maritime Auxilary Ship > Newton off the Florida coast, was killed in July when a "sound bomb" > he was holding exploded prematurely (_Daily Telegraph_ 19 July). Prior to this the US when in siege of General Noreiga's compound in Panama played very loud music and noise (said to consist of Heavy Metal music) to discomfit and demoralise the people under siege. There are also claims that similar tactics were used at Waco involving tapes of dying rabbits screaming. > Andy Cobley FoFP From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Fri Jan 12 14:31:33 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:31:33 -0800 Subject: A view on the state of BOC In-Reply-To: <20680.9601111557@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > I think they should do songs about abduction by aliens. It's all the > rage, you know. > > Dave. > You *are* being sarcastic, I hope? (Take Me Away, ETI, etc etc) - A Passerby in Times Square From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Fri Jan 12 14:35:32 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:35:32 -0800 Subject: A view on the state of BOC In-Reply-To: <199601111618.IAA02521@desiree.teleport.com> Message-ID: Steve, But I remain hopeful: More creepy, badass songs about sinister > UFOs, and Vampires ("The Toadies" have turned the Vampire genre into a > songwriting goldmine) less songs about interpersonal relationships and "How > Fun It Is To Rock On" > I haven't heard SYIB yet, but sounds pretty creepy-bad at ss-cool. And their stuff about interpersonal relationships are just fine (Vera Gemini, Eyes On Fire, and Monsters, for example) - A Passerby in Times Square From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Jan 12 14:45:52 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:45:52 -0500 Subject: HW Sonic Attack Message-ID: >Prior to this the US when in siege of General Noreiga's compound in >Panama played very loud music and noise (said to consist of Heavy Metal >music) to discomfit and demoralise the people under siege. There are >FoFP Yes I remember this. The one song that they played was "I fought the law and the law won" ! Martyn From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Fri Jan 12 14:50:55 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:50:55 -0800 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack -Reply In-Reply-To: <199601121541.PAA03206@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: Chris, > > hmmm.... very interesting. So where would a person get hold of one > of these if, say as an example, they wanted to dispose of noisy > neighbours? If it kills a rabbit in half an hour at that range I'm > sure it'd do 3 students at 30 feet in the 8 hours they're asleep..... Since when do students get 8 hours of sleep? Passerby From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Jan 12 15:13:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:13:00 EST Subject: HW: Another Sonic Attack Message-ID: In 1994 Sandia Labs began a DOD sponsored program in less than lethal weapons. Among the candidates was an ultrasonic system that is supposed to disturb the vestibular system and create a vertigo like disorientation. The result would be much closer to somebody leaving a HW concert. Maybe HW could put a burst as a lead in on any new release to simulate the live experience more. Rudy Truth can be almost as strange as fiction. From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jan 12 15:39:44 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:39:44 -0500 Subject: HW Sonic Attack Message-ID: >Matt Curtis writes: >Prior to this the US when in siege of General Noreiga's compound in >Panama played very loud music and noise (said to consist of Heavy Metal >music) to discomfit and demoralise the people under siege. There are >also claims that similar tactics were used at Waco involving tapes of >dying rabbits screaming. I was there in Panama at the time (not in the military, I just used to live there)... the music didn't really stand out as anything much at the time, just stuff the guards might enjoy and annoy Noriega. I was a bit more preoccupied with other matters at the time. None of this was done during an actual siege of a PDF building, this was only after the fighting was primarily over when Noriega was holed up in a church building (run by LaBoa, a priest assigned there by the Vatican) where he had been granted safe haven. It probably annoyed the priests and staff inside as well. Moving onto other examples of sonic brilliance, I once remember Carl Sagan on a TV program standing in front of some electronic gadget demonstrating some kind of sound important to whales, I believe.. He flipped a switch then grimaced somewhat, then adjusted a few more, then just stood there. During the entire time, not a sound was heard. About a minute later, he added, "of course, your television set probably cannot emit sounds of this frequency......" brilliant, Holmes. ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From jguizar at EPIX.NET Fri Jan 12 19:23:52 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:23:52 EST Subject: Quote by Patti Smith? Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:08:36 -0500 you wrote: >> I believe (tho' I can't check because I haven't got a copy) that on >> the back cover of "Radio Ethiopia" it says thanks to Blue Oyster Cult's >> road crew, who perform the backing vocals on one track. If this is >> so, it is an obvious artefact for any BOC completist. Should it be or >> is it in the FAQ? >> Perhaps Peter's wife has a copy and the exact wording can be posted. >> >Hmm, if memory serves, Alan Lanier provided keys 'n vox to the track >"Space Monkey". Don't have it, never heard it, could be wrong... I have it, but not here. Don't know when I'll be able to check...if you're interested. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Jan 12 23:49:05 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:49:05 -0500 Subject: HW Sonic Attack Message-ID: > Hmmmmm would that be "Ledge of Darkness"? There was a followup to "Time of > the Hawklords" in Queens of Deleria, and if I remember right either after > that or the second part of that was done as a comic (Tom & Crow: "Graphic > Novel!") graphic novel... throughout the series Brock, Nik, and many others > dispense of beasties with these sonic guns. I think Griffin was offering it > in a boxed set with a Hawkwind album, but I'm not sure which... It was in the 4CD '25 Years On' box set. PAul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Jan 12 23:49:31 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:49:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Final Request Message-ID: > sorry Paul - I know of nothing that'll be happening in that period. If > you get to London and check some of the gig lists at the various ticket > venues you might find some interesting stuff but I suspect Hawkwind have > gone into Winter retirement. Likely spring equinox before they emerge > again and my guess is they'll stay near the south/west coasts even then. That's what I thought, but it was worth checking anyway! > Enjoy the trip and if you get near Edinburgh let us know! It's not likely, but if my plans do change, I'll be sure to let you know! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jan 13 08:49:31 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 13:49:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: Floyd In-Reply-To: <13136.9601121700@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > Now? Now they're rock dinosaurs with no imagination and no new ideas. > But they were good in the seventies. Mmmmm. Okay. Divison Bell's not too hot, I admit. And they are showing their age a bit, musically and visually. They obviously need some of whatever Eric and Buck use... JAZZA From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Jan 13 08:52:13 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:52:13 +0100 Subject: HW: WWW page Message-ID: Hi folks, here is the address of another good HAWKWIND WWW page created by a friend of mine. http://ourworld.compuserve.com:80/homepages/hawkwind/ Enjoy it! Cheers Bernhard From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jan 13 09:05:30 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:05:30 +0000 Subject: HW/BOC: Sonic attack, and an alternative In-Reply-To: <199601121541.PAA03206@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Chris Bates wrote: > Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > There was a lot of Allied worries > > about a Japanese `deathray', but by the surrender it could still only > > kill a rabbit at 300 yards after half an hour... I assume this was > > ultrasonics, but I could be wrong. > > hmmm.... very interesting. So where would a person get hold of one > of these if, say as an example, they wanted to dispose of noisy > neighbours? If it kills a rabbit in half an hour at that range I'm > sure it'd do 3 students at 30 feet in the 8 hours they're asleep..... > > Not, of course, that I'm advocating killing noisy students but you'd > get away with it wouldn't you? They'd have mashed insides caused by > some unknown source wouldn't they? Can't see a coroners jury giving > anything other than an open verdict ;-) > > The again if I did get my hands on one it'd be just like the bastard > Tories to go round handing out metal limbs, special cocoons and > complimentary simultaneous orgasms to all first time voters in an > ultimately successful bid to buy their votes :-( > > > Chris > Dear Chris, well, I don't know where you'd go now, I have to admit, although the messages coming in makes it look like several governments could tell you... However, I can't advocate the killing of students, naturally, so I thought my trivia for today could be that there's a firm in California ( wouldn't it be? ) that started up two years ago, building replica historical aircraft to the manufacturer's standards. Their first product? The Me.262! Seven on order, but for a cool $350000 you can add your name to the list, and then Westminster will tremble! You red or orange? JAZZA From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sat Jan 13 09:56:34 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:56:34 GMT Subject: and yet another bootleg hits the stalls Message-ID: I've been talking to some fans and apparently a bootleg CD called "Silver Machine Live" has been picked up in Italy. If anyone spots this or the "Damnation Alley" boot then I'd be most happy to reimburse or trade for it. FoFP From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Jan 13 14:45:12 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:45:12 -0500 Subject: HW: WWW page Message-ID: Nice page! I liked the live photographs from Bochum. There is also a link to Australia (Assassin Sonique) but it was not working. Cheers Martyn From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Sat Jan 13 21:44:28 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 20:44:28 CST Subject: HW: Another Sonic Attack Message-ID: Friday night I noticed The Riddler on the Batman TV series used a sonic weapon on the Cat Woman. It was Joan Collins using a siren type voice to render CW helpless. Sorry, I can't report the final outcome of this clash, attention span of a Doug From lansford at VNET.NET Sun Jan 14 08:40:08 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 13:40:08 GMT Subject: OFF: Floyd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, Jon Jarrett wrote: > Mmmmm. Okay. Divison Bell's not too hot, I admit. And they are >showing their age a bit, musically and visually. They obviously need some >of whatever Eric and Buck use... Eric'd be glad to sell them what he credits his youthful appearance to. (He's got a distributership with some vitamin company.) -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- No Team -- No Peace Save Our Browns http://melkor.multiverse.com/sob/ -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Sun Jan 14 11:59:54 1996 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 15:59:54 -0100 Subject: tEST oNLY... Do NOT read! Message-ID: Jovisst, jag visste att nu skulle l=E4sa =E4nd=E5. Men det =E4r inte m=E5nga= av er som begriper i varje fall... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ lindfors at algonet.se har inte hunnit att skapa n=E5gon riktig signatur =E4nnu= !=20 =A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3= =A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3= =A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3= =A3 =A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3 From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Jan 14 10:26:51 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:26:51 +0100 Subject: tEST oNLY... Do NOT read! Message-ID: TRANSLATION MODE: ON >Jovisst, jag visste att nu skulle l?sa ?nd?. Men det ?r inte m?nga av er som >begriper i varje fall... [yeah, I knew you would read it. But there's not so many of you who understands anyway...] >$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ >$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ >lindfors at algonet.se har inte hunnit att skapa n?gon riktig signatur ?nnu! >???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? >?????????????????????? USDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSDUSD [lindfors at algonet.se has not created a proper signature yet!] GBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBPGBP TRANSLATION MODE: OFF \\joe\:0) From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sun Jan 14 13:16:02 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 13:16:02 -0500 Subject: tEST oNLY... Do NOT read! Message-ID: >Jovisst, jag visste att nu skulle l=E4sa =E4nd=E5. Men det =E4r inte m=E5nga= > av er som >begriper i varje fall... > >$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$>$$$$$$$$$$$$$ >$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ >lindfors at algonet.se har inte hunnit att skapa n=E5gon riktig signatur =E4nnu= >c!=20 >=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3= >=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3= >=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3= >=A3 >=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3=A3 > Right on, doood ;-) M From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Jan 14 05:37:13 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:37:13 +1100 Subject: HW: WWW page Message-ID: On 13 Jan 96 Martyn White wrote about Re: HW: WWW page: > Nice page! I liked the live photographs from Bochum. > There is also a link to Australia (Assassin Sonique) but it > was not working. Which bit wasn't working ... his link or my page? I checked out his page too ... it looked pretty neat, but I did notice that his 'mailto' link at the bottom didn't work. -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Jan 14 05:32:15 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:32:15 +1100 Subject: HW Sonic Attack Message-ID: On 12 Jan 96 Martyn White wrote about Re: HW Sonic Attack: > >Prior to this the US when in siege of General Noreiga's compound in > >Panama played very loud music and noise (said to consist of Heavy Metal > >music) to discomfit and demoralise the people under siege. There are > > >FoFP > > Yes I remember this. The one song that they played > was "I fought the law and the law won" ! I thought Mike said 'Heavy Metal' ? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Jan 14 05:28:06 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:28:06 +1100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack in Fortean Times Message-ID: On 12 Jan 96 Matt Curtis wrote about Re: HW: Sonic Attack in Fortean Tim: > > >There is a 'letter to the editor' in issue 83 of the Fortean Times > > > > Is this the most recent issue? With the "Usual Suspects" cartoon on the cover? > > > > It might be the latest issue, it's Oct/Nov 1995. They may have come > out with a Dec/Jan issue though; we're always a few months behind > import magazines here (unless you want to pay double for everything.) I know exactly what Matt means .... I'm still waiting for the December Mojo issue with the HW stuff in it to hit the stands ... only saw the Nov issue for the first time about three weeks back Paul (from the 'Lucky Country') -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 15 11:28:59 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:28:59 -0500 Subject: HW: WWW page Message-ID: could some kind soul repost this address please? thanx,rj From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Jan 15 12:01:14 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:01:14 -0500 Subject: HW: WWW page Message-ID: http://ourworld.compuserve.com:80/homepages/hawkwind The Alien 4 Page >could some kind soul repost this address please? thanx,rj M From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jan 15 12:18:13 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:18:13 +0000 Subject: Calling Charles the Grinning Boy In-Reply-To: <960115112854_42331060@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: All my attempts to write to Charlie off-list are being bounced back. Is charlie currently on the list? Dave From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jan 15 16:37:14 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:37:14 +1100 Subject: HW: Upcoming releases Message-ID: Hi Guys, Just got a fax from Doug Smith (sadly confirming that I won't get to see HW during my pending UK visit), and he informs me that they *are* releasing a live CD of the 'Alien 4' show within the next three months. It will be called _Love in Space_. Also in the next three months, a cd full of re-mixes of HW 'classics' by other artists (I imagine similar to the _Solstice Remixes_, _Quark_ and _Decide your Future_ EPs), and re-release of EMI albums (he didn't say which ones) in brand new packaging and remastered. Yay for us! Finally, he did hint that HW may tour Australia before Dave retires :-) :-) .... and he has asked me to help him locate a local distributer for HW product in Australia (since HW left EMI, all HW has been imported here ... except for RCA stuff). Neat hey? Paul (Assassin Sonique) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au World Wide Web: http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From klaatu at NANDO.NET Mon Jan 15 16:58:18 1996 From: klaatu at NANDO.NET (klaatu) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:58:18 EST Subject: DFTR Biker T-Shirts found Message-ID: I was web surfing & ran across this 60's shop that sells biker t-shirts. They have two shirts that are obviously BOC Inspired. http://netcenter.com/netcentr/adult/cool/shirts/dontfear.html Don't Fear The Reaper - $18.00 picture of the Grim Reaper http://netcenter.com/netcentr/adult/cool/shirts/reaper.html Reaper - $18.00 The Grim Reaper hugging a pretty girl with his hands on her butt. DFTR statement across the image bottom. Now if they only had a Transmaniacon M.C. shirt. Hmm, Maybe Al could tell us the origin of that name & if it was a real motorcycle club. I do remember seeing an old yellow spine TOR sci-fi book by that name, early 1970's, the author was a big fan & dedicated it to BOC. The yellow spines were cheaper books in a huge catalog series, all dedicated to getting new writers works known, or keeping old writers works in print. A bud of mine had about 150 of 'em on a shelf & one day Trans. just jumped out at me. I believe the author did one other unrelated book & then faded away into obscurity. And no, it wasn't Moorcock. klaatu From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 15 18:06:50 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:06:50 GMT Subject: hw: 1st single for sale Message-ID: Just to let folk know that there is the original Hawkwind 7" vinyl "Hurry on Sundown" being offered for sale by one of the record stores. The price is 100 pounds - which is about what I would expect for this one. I've got it reserved under my name up until about 5pm tomorrow so if anyone would like to buy this they should let me know soon! After that I'll have to let it go since I've already got one and don't need this. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lansford at VNET.NET Mon Jan 15 20:45:05 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 01:45:05 GMT Subject: DFTR Biker T-Shirts found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, klaatu wrote: >Now if they only had a Transmaniacon M.C. shirt. > >Hmm, Maybe Al could tell us the origin of that name & if it was a >real motorcycle club. I do remember seeing an old yellow spine TOR >sci-fi book by that name, early 1970's, the author was a big fan >& dedicated it to BOC. The yellow spines were cheaper books in a >huge catalog series, all dedicated to getting new writers works known, >or keeping old writers works in print. A bud of mine had about >150 of 'em on a shelf & one day Trans. just jumped out at me. >I believe the author did one other unrelated book & then faded >away into obscurity. And no, it wasn't Moorcock. It was John Shirley, the same dude who wrote lyrics for some of the new BOC songs. Most recent thing I've seen his name attatched to was the TV series VR. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- No Team -- No Peace Save Our Browns http://melkor.multiverse.com/sob/ -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 16 05:50:37 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:50:37 GMT Subject: HW: Upcoming releases In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward's message of Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:37:14 +1100 Message-ID: Paul G Ward writes: > Hi Guys, > > Just got a fax from Doug Smith (sadly confirming that I won't get to > see HW during my pending UK visit), and he informs me that they *are* > releasing a live CD of the 'Alien 4' show within the next three > months. It will be called _Love in Space_. Awww, and I was hoping for "Masters of the Universe" :-( > Also in the next three months, a cd full of re-mixes of HW 'classics' by > other artists (I imagine similar to the _Solstice Remixes_, _Quark_ > and _Decide your Future_ EPs), and re-release of EMI albums (he > didn't say which ones) in brand new packaging and remastered. > Yay for us! If not for my bank manager. I'd rather see some RCA releases. Anyway. I heard a rumour that Cleopatra are doing some kind of compilation album where bands record a new track for it. It seems Hawkwind have agreed. Does anyone know what this is? Is anyone in regular contact with Brian Perrera? > Paul (Assassin Sonique) FoFP From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Jan 16 08:32:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:32:00 EST Subject: HW: No OZ tour! Message-ID: >Finally, he did hint that HW may tour Australia before Dave retires >:-) :-) . It is my fervent hope that there is no tour down under for many years then. Rudy From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Tue Jan 16 09:17:24 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:17:24 CST Subject: HW: Upcoming releases Message-ID: >> releasing a live CD of the 'Alien 4' show within the next three >> months. It will be called _Love in Space_. > >> Yay for us! > >If not for my bank manager. I'd rather see some RCA releases. Really, or some weird tapes. All I need is another Bussiness Trip II. >Anyway. I heard a rumour that Cleopatra are doing some kind of >compilation album where bands record a new track for it. It seems >Hawkwind have agreed. Does anyone know what this is? Is anyone in >regular contact with Brian Perrera? A friend of mine is, I'll ask him to investigate. Doug From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 16 12:08:46 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:08:46 GMT Subject: New Hawkwind Video Message-ID: Visionary have released a 60 minute video of the UK Chaos tour in 1986. The tracklist is: Magnu Angels Of Death Assault And Battery The Blood of Man Master Of The Universe Dreaming City Utopia '84 Brainstorm Sonic Attack Hassan I Sabha (I'm not sure what the Blood of Man track is. Did they play Curse of Man on that tour? Bernhard?) This is available on special offer of 10.99 Pounds P&P 1 Pound in the UK 2.50 Pounds elsewhere for airmail. From: Viosnary Communications Ltd, P.O. Box 30 Lytham St.Annes FY8 1RL England Phone: 01253 712453 From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM Tue Jan 16 12:16:47 1996 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:16:47 -0500 Subject: Quote by Patti Smith Message-ID: Hi all, having been away from the lab for a week, and reading over a weeks worth of BOC-L digests to update myself, this is the first chance I have got to post anything. >On Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:08:36 -0500 you wrote: >>> I believe (tho' I can't check because I haven't got a copy) that on >>> the back cover of "Radio Ethiopia" it says thanks to Blue Oyster Cult's >>> road crew, who perform the backing vocals on one track. If this is >>> so, it is an obvious artefact for any BOC completist. Should it be or >>> is it in the FAQ? >>> Perhaps Peter's wife has a copy and the exact wording can be posted. >>> >>Hmm, if memory serves, Alan Lanier provided keys 'n vox to the track >>"Space Monkey". Don't have it, never heard it, could be wrong... > I have it, but not here. Don't know when I'll be able to check...if you're >interested. I originally posted the first paragraph back in October, since then I have been trying to find an original 1977(?) UK copy of the LP, which is where I seem to remember reading it. No luck so far. I hope someone can find one soon as it's driving me nuts, I'm sure I'm right tho'. Also I believe Allen Lanier was having a relationship with Patti Smith at the time. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sbphrd.com Ob LP: Hot Charity - Rocket from the Crypt From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Jan 16 13:14:00 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:14:00 -0500 Subject: New Hawkwind Video Message-ID: >This is available on special offer of 10.99 Pounds > >P&P 1 Pound in the UK > 2.50 Pounds elsewhere for airmail. Is it available in NTSC format? Martyn From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Jan 16 13:29:53 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:29:53 -0500 Subject: Quote by Patti Smith Message-ID: >>Hmm, if memory serves, Alan Lanier provided keys 'n vox to the track >>>"Space Monkey". Don't have it, never heard it, could be wrong... > > This is actually on _Easter_ [1978] - the credit reads: keyboards on space monkey: richard sohl and allen lanier allen lanier appears through the courtesy of columbia records. It seems that all the backing vox are by Lenny Kaye and Ivan Kral, so if Allen did any vocals they're uncredited. Fine album! - Andy From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Jan 16 14:59:48 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:59:48 +0100 Subject: New Hawkwind Video Message-ID: Hi there! >The tracklist is: > >Magnu >Angels Of Death >Assault And Battery >The Blood of Man >Master Of The Universe >Dreaming City >Utopia '84 >Brainstorm >Sonic Attack >Hassan I Sabha > > >(I'm not sure what the Blood of Man track is. Did they play Curse of Man >on that tour? Bernhard?) No, they did not. I suppose that it is one of the following tracks: lost chronicals / needle gun / dragons & fables / shade gate / rocky paths The track listing looks like it is from the second part of the CHAOS 1986 tour. Hope that helps Bernhard From staron at SKYNET.CO.UK Tue Jan 16 16:28:42 1996 From: staron at SKYNET.CO.UK (Aaron Trowell) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:28:42 GMT Subject: Question & U.K Single. Message-ID: I was wondering if anybody out there could tell me what film featured Don't Fear The Reaper? And also, i have heard a rumour, that BOC are Releasing a Single out in the UK in the next month or so. Could someone shed any light on this, as i find it hard to believe. Thanks, -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Aaron Trowell. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- staron at skynet.co.uk -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.skynet.co.uk/~staron/staron.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Jan 16 17:24:09 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:24:09 -0500 Subject: Question & U.K Single. Message-ID: >I was wondering if anybody out there could tell me what film featured Don't >Fear The Reaper? was featured as opening music for "The Stand" (Stephen King) which was shown in the US as a miniseries Martyn From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Jan 16 18:37:14 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:37:14 -0700 Subject: Question & U.K Single. In-Reply-To: <9601162224.AA24264@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: To respond, DFTR appeared in the made for tv miniseries by Steven King called The Stand. However, there was no "soundtrack" released. Instead, DFTR and a bunch of other tunes were re-recorded and released as Cult Classic. As far as a new UK single, I haven't heard about this. Perhaps it's something off of WOTT? Can anybody get a copy of Live Bootleg EP (Columbia, 1972) on CD??? Been looking thru Goldmine here in the States with no luck. Will pay/trade/reimburse/give you my first born/ect. Anybody?????? Thanks. Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Jan 17 04:08:44 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 09:08:44 +0000 Subject: Question & U.K Single. In-Reply-To: <199601162128.VAA16741@mars.skynet.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Aaron Trowell wrote: > I was wondering if anybody out there could tell me what film featured Don't > Fear The Reaper? As well as The Stand, DFtR has also been used in Halloween, and there was also a cover version - don't know by whom - in the TV movie about Gary Gilmour "The Executioner's Song". Dave From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 17 05:33:40 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:33:40 GMT Subject: Subscribe request Message-ID: Could we subscribe: dacombj at csc-shirley.e-mail.com (there may need to be a ".uk" appended to that) It's Jeremy Dacombe, a fan who I've been in touch with for a few years by snailmail and who helped with corrections to our online lyrics. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 17 05:56:25 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:56:25 GMT Subject: New Hawkwind Video In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:59:48 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi there! > > > >The tracklist is: > > > >Magnu > >Angels Of Death > >Assault And Battery > >The Blood of Man > >Master Of The Universe > >Dreaming City > >Utopia '84 > >Brainstorm > >Sonic Attack > >Hassan I Sabha > > > > > >(I'm not sure what the Blood of Man track is. Did they play Curse of Man > >on that tour? Bernhard?) > No, they did not. > > I suppose that it is one of the following tracks: > lost chronicals / needle gun / dragons & fables / shade gate / rocky paths > > The track listing looks like it is from the second part of the CHAOS 1986 tour. It's been recorded at Preston apparently. > > Hope that helps > > Bernhard FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 17 05:55:33 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:55:33 GMT Subject: New Hawkwind Video In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:14:00 -0500 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > >This is available on special offer of 10.99 Pounds > > > >P&P 1 Pound in the UK > > 2.50 Pounds elsewhere for airmail. > > Is it available in NTSC format? Not sure. You'd have to ask them. It's hard to see why they couldn't do this if there's an obvious demand. > Martyn FoFP From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Jan 17 17:41:19 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:41:19 +0000 Subject: New Hawkwind Video In-Reply-To: <9601161708.aa19331@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, M Holmes wrote: > Visionary have released a 60 minute video of the UK Chaos tour in 1986. Yay! > From: > > Viosnary Communications Ltd, > P.O. Box 30 > Lytham St.Annes FY8 1RL > England Not understanding UK postal codes at all, can anyone tell me if this is near either London, Leicester, SouthHampton or Blackpool? If so I'll ring them and pick up a copy while I'm there (at least the trip will be worth something :) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Jan 17 17:38:29 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:38:29 +0000 Subject: HW: No OZ tour! In-Reply-To: <30FB1E90@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Rudich, Robert A wrote: > >Finally, he did hint that HW may tour Australia before Dave retires > >:-) :-) . > > It is my fervent hope that there is no tour down under for many years then. As long as there *is* one, I would agree ...... ? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Jan 17 17:37:14 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:37:14 +0000 Subject: HW: Upcoming releases In-Reply-To: <9601161050.aa27069@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, M Holmes wrote: > Paul G Ward writes: > > > Also in the next three months, a cd full of re-mixes of HW 'classics' by > > other artists (I imagine similar to the _Solstice Remixes_, _Quark_ > > and _Decide your Future_ EPs), and re-release of EMI albums (he > > didn't say which ones) in brand new packaging and remastered. > > If not for my bank manager. I'd rather see some RCA releases. That's what I said to Doug in my return fax ... I'm waiting for his reply and will keep you all posted. Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Jan 17 06:43:06 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 11:43:06 GMT Subject: New Hawkwind Video Message-ID: > > Yay! > > > From: > > > > Viosnary Communications Ltd, > > P.O. Box 30 > > Lytham St.Annes FY8 1RL > > England > > Not understanding UK postal codes at all, can anyone tell me if this is > near either London, Leicester, SouthHampton or Blackpool? If so I'll ring > them and pick up a copy while I'm there (at least the trip will be worth > something :) > -- It's very near Blackpool, I believe. bye - Rob From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Jan 17 17:53:40 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:53:40 GMT Subject: No subject Message-ID: To: boc-l at listserv.spc.edu Subject: OFF: Steve Hillage - 2xCD Gong Go Long - For Sale Newsgroups: alt.music.planet-gong,alt.music.bootlegs Saw this in alt.music.planet-gong ..... From: Ande Tucker Date: 12 Jan 1996 22:26:33 GMT Steve Hillage --- Ggggong Go Long Recorded live in London 1977 and 1979 Disc 1 (1977) 1) Octave Doctors 2) It's All Too Much 3) Light In The Sky 4) Radio 5) Motivation 6) Saucer Surfing 7) Hurdy Gurdy Man Disc 2 (1979) 1) Electric Gypsies 2) Salmon Song 3) New Age Synthesis 4) 1988 Aktivator 5) Unidentified (flying being) 6) It's All Too Much 7) Crystal City The price od this double CD set is $25 Sound quality is perfect. ----------------------------- S&H USA: 1st class & insured mail included Outside the US = at cost, enquire ----------------------------- -- -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM Wed Jan 17 07:25:57 1996 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:25:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: Question, Live Bootleg EP Message-ID: >Can anybody get a copy of Live Bootleg EP (Columbia, 1972) on CD??? >Been looking thru Goldmine here in the States with no luck. >Will pay/trade/reimburse/give you my first born/ect. >Anybody?????? >Thanks. >Manuel in NM >Jean Delacour I've never heard of this being released on CD, and presumably as the tracks from it which appear on the WotT CD have an * with the words first time on CD or previously only available as promo or something like that, next to it, I would say the answer is no (unless a CD promo appeared). So a copy of the Live Bootleg EP on CD would be (ahem) a bootleg. Yours guessingly, .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sbphrd.com From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Jan 17 07:38:25 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:38:25 -0500 Subject: Question & U.K Single. Message-ID: >>I was wondering if anybody out there could tell me what film featured Don't >>Fear The Reaper? > > was featured as opening music for "The Stand" (Stephen King) >which was shown in the US as a miniseries And was also on Sky over here in Europe last year (September or so). Worth seeing for the opening titles with "Reaper" on the soundtrack, and worth switching off right after that :) - Andy ObLP: Patti Smith Group - _Easter_ From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jan 17 07:56:18 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:56:18 -0500 Subject: BOC: Question, Live Bootleg EP In-Reply-To: <9601171225.AA07930@phinet.sbphrd.com> from "CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY" at Jan 17, 96 07:25:57 am Message-ID: CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY writes: > I've never heard of this being released on CD, and presumably as the tracks > from it which appear on the WotT CD have an * with the words first time on > CD or previously only available as promo or something like that, next to it, > I would say the answer is no (unless a CD promo appeared). > So a copy of the Live Bootleg EP on CD would be (ahem) a bootleg. I have it on CD (on the French "Skydog" label). Only three of the four songs from this appeared on _WoTT_ (I believe they left off the raucous version of "Cities on Flame"; a damn shame). Yes, I believe mine is a bootleg CD. It sounds like it was recorded from a bootleg vinyl copy. Nevertheless, the sound quality is very good (as bootlegs go, of course). I bought mine a few years ago, through a regular advertiser in _Record Collector_ (Key Mail Order?). Cheers, Paul. obCD: Melting Euphoria, _Upon Solar Winds_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 17 07:56:31 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:56:31 -0500 Subject: Question & U.K Single. Message-ID: I have not heard about the U.K. single -- I'm hoping to talk with Bolle this week though, and I'll be sure to ask him about it. As far as the Live Bootleg EP on CD, well I've got a copy but won't part with it. I believe some CD dealers in " "live imports" and "Euro-CD's" sell it. I will check to see if I can find the name of someone who sells it. John From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Jan 17 08:12:08 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:12:08 -0500 Subject: Question & U.K Single. Message-ID: >As far as a new UK single, I haven't heard about this. Perhaps it's >something off of WOTT? I dunno about this either, but I did see a UK release of _WotT_ this week, in one of those clever slimline double CD cases rather than a big clunky one (but same artwork and track list, of course), at a reasonable L14.49 in Virgin. - Andy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 17 08:25:58 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:25:58 +0000 Subject: Question & U.K Single. In-Reply-To: <960117081207_44461996@mail02.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jan 17, 96 08:12:08 am Message-ID: > I dunno about this either, but I did see a UK release of _WotT_ this week, in > one of those clever slimline double CD cases rather than a big clunky one > (but same artwork and track list, of course), at a reasonable L14.49 in > Virgin. Really? That might be worth picking up. I've only transported _Secret Treaties_ and _Imaginos_ over with me from the BOC collection, and a double CD of BOC "Greatest Hits" for 15 quid would be a reasonable way of keeping myself from dragging the whole heavy and bulky collection over .... Cheers, Carl From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Wed Jan 17 09:21:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 09:21:00 -0500 Subject: New video Message-ID: Hello, As well as the 1986 video Chris Bruce has told me that the band was putting together a historical video which would include never seen before video from the Space Ritual tour. He did not say when it would be out, but I assumed 1996? Scott ObCassette:Israel Vibration- Why you so Craven? Rogue Male- First Visit From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Wed Jan 17 09:42:12 1996 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:42:12 +0000 Subject: HW. Entropy tango./E. Bloom Message-ID: >> the poem was one moorcock wrote (and i think pavli did the music) >> for what was projected to be a book+record release of "entropy >> tango" [a jerry cornelius book]..whoever was supposed to publish >> it (Big O? Pierrot?) went belly up i believe--at any rate >> the music never got beyond the demo stage... >> >cheers - \\joe > I found part of this poem in "Condition of Muzak" by Moorcock, this is also a Cornelius book. A guest list also in this book, which includes reference to most of Moorcocks major characters, also refers to, among the C.J.Irseis, and J.Corneliuses, a Mr. E.Bloom, is this Eyes, or am I just imagining things, most of the other names I have traced to Moorcock characters, but with this one and a couple of others I havent been able to, has Eric appeares in a Moorcock book? Cheers, I I I ---- 0 ---- I - I -- From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Jan 17 10:03:49 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:03:49 +0000 Subject: HW. Entropy tango./E. Bloom In-Reply-To: <199601171444.JAA17286@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: > > I found part of this poem in "Condition of Muzak" by Moorcock, this is also > a Cornelius book. A guest list also in this book, which includes reference > to most of Moorcocks major characters, also refers to, among the C.J.Irseis, > and J.Corneliuses, a Mr. E.Bloom, is this Eyes, or am I just imagining > things, most of the other names I have traced to Moorcock characters, but > with this one and a couple of others I havent been able to, has Eric > appeares in a Moorcock book? I believe in some books a Mr Emmanuel Bloom crops up, though it's a long time since I read any Moorcock. But I suspect that this isn't a reference to Eric. Could be wrong though. Actually, Emmanuel would seem to shorted to "Manny", also a name that Eric is sometimes referred to by...hmm, interesting... Dave From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 17 10:50:31 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:50:31 GMT Subject: Tapes query Message-ID: I noticed that the London Dream machine tape 14/10/72 wasn't on Bernhard's list. Is there a reason for that? This was the one that was later broadcast on BBC and booted onto the Space Rock CD with a different mix appearing on the Windsong CD? Also I have a tape from a dealer labelled BBC 1969+71 tracklist is: Paranoia Seeing It As You Really Are ???? Master of the Universe You Know You're Only Dreaming You Shouldn't Do That Hurry On Sundown The Reason Is Does anyone know where (gigs?) this one comes from? FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 17 12:11:14 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:11:14 -0500 Subject: No Mike Watt Live Album? Message-ID: According to today's "Music News of the World" on "Addicted to Noise", Mike Watt has "shelved indefinitely" plans to do a live album. Presumably this live album was to include "appearances from his famous friends". So, Albert, do you know if you would have been on this album had it been released? John From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Jan 17 12:35:32 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:35:32 -0500 Subject: New Hawkwind Video/Request Message-ID: >This is available on special offer of 10.99 Pounds > >P&P 1 Pound in the UK > 2.50 Pounds elsewhere for airmail. > >From: > >Viosnary Communications Ltd, >P.O. Box 30 >Lytham St.Annes FY8 1RL >England > >Phone: 01253 712453 If anybody has communication with these guys, could you ask them if the video is available in NTSC format (that is the standard used by VCRs in the United States). This would save my international phone bill. However if I don't hear from anyone in a week or so, I will call them up myself and ask and will post the answer to the list Cheers Martyn From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 17 12:54:46 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 17:54:46 GMT Subject: Lytham St. Annes Message-ID: Go to Blackpool. Face Australia. Travel about 5 miles along the coast and that's Lytham St. Annes. Alternatively go to Preston. Face America. Travel about 10 miles and stop when you reach the sea 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Jan 17 13:01:25 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:01:25 +0100 Subject: New Hawkwind Video Message-ID: Hi there! >It's been recorded at Preston apparently. Preston 03.December 1986. Very good! As far as I know this gig does not exist on tape. One item more for my collection Thank you Mike Bernhard From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Wed Jan 17 15:17:30 1996 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:17:30 -0100 Subject: BOC: Question, Live Bootleg EP Message-ID: At 07.56 1996-01-17 -0500, you wrote: >CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY writes: > >> I've never heard of this being released on CD, and presumably as the tracks >> from it which appear on the WotT CD have an * with the words first time on >> CD or previously only available as promo or something like that, next to it, >> I would say the answer is no (unless a CD promo appeared). >> So a copy of the Live Bootleg EP on CD would be (ahem) a bootleg. > >I have it on CD (on the French "Skydog" label). Only three of the four >songs from this appeared on _WoTT_ (I believe they left off the raucous >version of "Cities on Flame"; a damn shame). > >Yes, I believe mine is a bootleg CD. It sounds like it was recorded >from a bootleg vinyl copy. Nevertheless, the sound quality is very good >(as bootlegs go, of course). > >I bought mine a few years ago, through a regular advertiser in _Record >Collector_ (Key Mail Order?). > > I saw 2-3 copies of this french one in a regular record-store in Stockholm a couple of years ago. I did not buy it then 'cause I found the price too high for four songs - about $ 30.(!)I've never seen it again. Of course I got WoTT now, but I miss "Cities". Dan * * * * * * * * E7D9G8B5G8D9E7D9G8B5G8D9E0D6G6B4G6D6E2D4G4B2(x3):E4D4G4B2G4D4E0D6G6B4G6D6 E2G4D4B2D4G4E2G4D3B2D3G4 ---DAN LINDFORS __ __ "Det var p? den tiden jag gick omkring och svalt / ` ' / ,, i Kristiania, denna f?runderliga stad som |[====|||||||||||[::} ingen l?mnar utan att ha f?tt m?rken av den..." \__.-._\ `` Knut Hamsun. "Sult"/"Sv?lt"("Hunger")1890. E7A9D11G7D11A9E7A9D11G7D11A9E0A2D4G0D4A2E2A4G2D4G2A4(x3):E3A5D7G4D7A5 E0A2D4G0D4A2E2A4D2G4E2A4D2G3D2A4... lindfors at algonet.se * * * * * * * * From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Jan 19 16:16:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 13:16:00 PST Subject: Off Subject Mike Watt Message-ID: Is anyone familiar with Mike Watt's cover of the song Maggot Brain? I believe it appears on an album called Ball Hog orTugboat? Any help would be appreciated. AB From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Jan 17 13:23:13 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:23:13 +0100 Subject: Tapes query Message-ID: Hello Mike >I noticed that the London Dream machine tape 14/10/72 wasn't on >Bernhard's list. Is there a reason for that? This was the one that was >later broadcast on BBC and booted onto the Space Rock CD with a >different mix appearing on the Windsong CD? Yes indeed. The exactely recording date is: LONDON, PARIS CINEMA, 28.09.1972 >Also I have a tape from a dealer labelled BBC 1969+71 > >tracklist is: > > >Paranoia >Seeing It As You Really Are >???? >Master of the Universe >You Know You're Only Dreaming >You Shouldn't Do That >Hurry On Sundown >The Reason Is > >Does anyone know where (gigs?) this one comes from? These tracks seem to be from the following gigs: 18.08.1970 Hurry On Sundown / The Reason Is 19.04.1971 Paranoia / Seeing It As You Really Are / ????(We Do It) 19.05.1971 Master of the Universe / You Know You're Only Dreaming / You Shouldn't Do That ttyl Bernhard From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Jan 17 14:20:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:20:00 EST Subject: HW: The "new" video Message-ID: >Preston 03.December 1986. Very good! As far as I know this gig does not >exist on tape. One item more for my collection Odd that is. Chance could it be or planning wise? Watching the boots Hawkwind are? Yoda (forwarded by Rudy) From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Jan 19 17:50:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:50:00 PST Subject: DIRECTORY UPDATE Message-ID: [[ BOCHW.DOC : 3662 in BOCHW.DOC ]][[ BOCHW.TXT : 3663 in BOCHW.TXT ]] ATTACHED PLEASE FIND THE UPDATED DIRECTORY FOR THE LIST. I RECIEVED UPDATES FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE AND HOPEFULLY HAVE ENETERED THEM CORRECTLY. SOME THINGS YOU SHOULD NOTE. 1. AL HAS A NEW PROVIDER , PLEASE PLAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO HIS NEW ADDRESS. 2. PAUL WARD HAS MULTIPLE ADDRESSES. QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPER USE OF THESE ADDRESSES SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO PAUL. 3. THE FORMAT NOW APPEARS LANSCAPE, THIS SHOULD ALLOW EVERYONE TO VIEW THE FULL MAILING ADDRESS. 4. IN RE-CREATING THE DIRECTORY IT WAS NECESARRY TO DELETE THE AGE FEILD ON THE CURRENT COPY. SORRY. 5. PLEASE CHECK YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION AND ENSURE ITS ACCURACY. 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Catalogue number will be: Ripe & Ready 2211. Also, FYI: Albert will also be making a personal appearance at the Mid-Hudson Civic Center record show Feb. 4 in Poughkeepsie (fer the people there who weren't killed by their own vichysoisse...) :-) From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Wed Jan 17 15:15:36 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:15:36 -0600 Subject: Off Subject Mike Watt In-Reply-To: <30FD5B16@houmg001.shl.com> from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Jan 19, 96 01:16:00 pm Message-ID: > > Is anyone familiar with Mike Watt's cover of the song Maggot Brain? I > believe it appears on an album called Ball Hog orTugboat? Any help would be > appreciated. > That's right, _Ball Hog or Tugboat?_. Maggot Brain is a Funkadelic song from their album of the same name. On Mike Watt's version, the ex-Funkadelic keys player Bernie Worrell plays keys, and J.Mascis of Dinosaur Jr. plays the lead guitar. Even more off topic: The band Widespread Panic (whose bass player has apparently expressed an affinity for Funkadelic, Mike Watt, _and_ Blue Oyster Cult) does a nice abbreviated version of Maggot Brain in concert on rare occasions... -Bryan From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Jan 17 15:26:24 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:26:24 EST Subject: DIRECTORY UPDATE Message-ID: >4. IN RE-CREATING THE DIRECTORY IT WAS NECESARRY TO DELETE THE AGE FEILD >ON THE CURRENT COPY. SORRY. Interesting. Wasn't an Age Poll the original reason for creating this BOC-L directory? :-) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 17 15:49:09 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:49:09 -0500 Subject: BOC: Question, Live Bootleg EP Message-ID: I found a copy of Live Bootleg on CD in a store in Denver one year ago. Cost over a buck a minute... As I recall, it was an import from France. I don't think this store carried boots, so I'm assuming it wasn't a boot. R. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Jan 19 19:05:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:05:00 PST Subject: DIRECTORY UPDATE Message-ID: It sure was Captain. Problem was when I looked at my original some of the entries had shifted, while the names did not. I could generally establish addresses with names and even some handles but the ages oh man. No clue whatsover. Couldn't really tell if they shifted one row up or two. Also a lot of people never responded to the age question so it was hard getting and accurate estimate of the average age, I'd guess about 34-36 though. AB >4. IN RE-CREATING THE DIRECTORY IT WAS NECESARRY TO DELETE THE AGE FEILD >ON THE CURRENT COPY. SORRY. Interesting. Wasn't an Age Poll the original reason for creating this BOC-L directory? :-) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Jan 17 16:19:31 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:19:31 +0100 Subject: HW: tracks not on CD Message-ID: hi, just checked the codex - and begin to wonder which HW tracks don't appear on CD? here's the results - I may have cut away one or two tunes too much, but you will surely correct me..? I haven't looked at different versions. the Business Trip Vinyl Track "Terra Mystica" has appeared on the Nova Drive boot after the date below... \\joe (info's taken from:) The Hawkwind Codex: Version 2.0 12th December 1995 ================================================== (C) April 1993 by Mike Holmes and Jill Strobridge only from the weird tapes (and related boot): Bombed Out [Weird 107 - Dave Brock] Down on Her Knees [Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73] Etchanatae [Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73] First Landing on Medusa [Weird 107 - Dave Brock] Live and Let Live [Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73] Make What You Can [Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73] Slap it on de Table [Weird 103 - Free Festivals / Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield] Space Travellers [Weird 107 - Dave Brock] Touchdown [Weird 107 - Dave Brock] Where are they Now? [Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77] from the RCA albums: Disintegration [Sonic Attack] Fahrenheit 451 [Angels of Death / Choose Your Masques] Living On A Knife Edge [Angels of Death / Sonic Attack] Lost Chances [Sonic Attack] The Scan [Choose Your Masques] Streets of Fear [Weird 107 - Dave Brock / Sonic Attack] Utopia [Choose Your Masques] Virgin Of The World [Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 / Sonic Attack / Angels of Death] Void City [Choose Your Masques] Brock solo efforts: Into the Realms [The Agents of Chaos LP] Mountain in the Sky [The Agents of Chaos LP] Raping Robots in the Street [b/w Social Alliance 7"] When the Going Gets Tough [Friends And Relations III] Single b/w's: Time of [Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/Hawklords / b/w Who's Gonna Win the War? 7" Trans Dimensional Man [Weird 107 - Dave Brock {Speed of Light} / b/w Angels of Death 7"] From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Jan 17 16:19:29 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:19:29 +0100 Subject: New video Message-ID: > Hello, > > As well as the 1986 video Chris Bruce has told me that the band > was putting together a historical video which would include never seen > before video from the Space Ritual tour. He did not say when it would > be out, but I assumed 1996? Someone has found the long lost tapes from the festival in Gothenburg/Sweden autumn 1973? > Scott \\joe ObCD: Dust / Hard Attack From 70762.141 at COMPUSERVE.COM Wed Jan 17 18:32:50 1996 From: 70762.141 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Richard P. Manny) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 18:32:50 EST Subject: BOC: Question, Live Bootleg EP Message-ID: Dear Charles, Interesting question. Six months ago I purchased an import CD titled, "Blue Oyster Cult." The front cover is purple background with letters and graphics in silver. Back cover is a black and white photo of a live concert. Pertinent data follows: "Workshop of the telescopes." 3 min. 40 sec. "Cities on flame with rock and roll." 4 min. 42 sec. "The Red and the Black." 4 min. 35 sec. "Bucks Boogie. 5 min." 18 sec. "Recorded Live, New-York 72" Distributed by Melodie Distribution 62237-2 DK 024 Also displayed is an image with Skydog International listed beneath. Additionally, the front cover can be removed and the interior recto folio shows a BOC sedan in black graphics (probably from a re-touched photo) while the back contains the following: ************************************************* "We're pain, we're steel, a plot of knives. We're Transmania Con M.C. [sic, small space inserted as noted] Our songs are a fantasy distillation of reality. __________________________________________________ Song list __________________________________________________ For the heavy metal kids and the Yardbirds ************************************************** Hope all this helps. If you need more info, please e-mail. With best regards, Richard From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 17 16:49:18 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:49:18 GMT Subject: New video In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:19:29 +0100 Message-ID: > > As well as the 1986 video Chris Bruce has told me that the band > > was putting together a historical video which would include never seen > > before video from the Space Ritual tour. He did not say when it would > > be out, but I assumed 1996? > > Someone has found the long lost tapes from the festival in Gothenburg/Sweden > autumn 1973? > > Dave Brock has finally unearthed his tapes of the BBC Top of the Pops show I hope! jill Ob CD disappointment> Magellan - Impending Ascension. Anybody want it? ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jan 17 19:06:29 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 17:06:29 -0700 Subject: BOC: Question, Live Bootleg EP In-Reply-To: <9601171225.AA07930@phinet.sbphrd.com> Message-ID: Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu Charlie; Yes, Live Bootleg Ep (Columbia, 1972) IS available on CD, but only as an import, just like Buck's Flat Out. Anyways, it is rather hard for me to find a copy waaay out here in the desert of New Mexico. I already have a few leads and numbers. Now this is why I like being on the list-alot of support and info. thnaks and God bless......Manuel From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jan 17 19:08:15 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:08:15 -0500 Subject: BOC: Question, Live Bootleg EP In-Reply-To: <960117233250_70762.141_CHK54-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Richard P. Manny" at Jan 17, 96 06:32:50 pm Message-ID: Richard P. Manny writes: > Interesting question. Six months ago I purchased an import CD titled, "Blue > Oyster Cult." The front cover is purple background with letters and graphics in > silver. Back cover is a black and white photo of a live concert. Pertinent > data follows: [deleted] > Distributed by Melodie Distribution > 62237-2 > DK 024 > > Also displayed is an image with Skydog International listed beneath. This is the same as the CD I have. (I think I paid about L8 for it, years ago.) I believe there is a "Made in France" somewhere on the CD, too. Btw, the black and white photo on the back is of an authentic five man guitar jam! Cheers, Paul. PS: I also posted a review of this CD, eons ago, to BOC-L. Dunno if it is archived anywhere. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jan 17 19:08:02 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 17:08:02 -0700 Subject: BOC: Question, Live Bootleg EP In-Reply-To: <9601171256.AA03442@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Message-ID: Thanks again. It's amazing how much you folks wanna help!!!! God bless.....Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jan 17 19:08:54 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 17:08:54 -0700 Subject: Question & U.K Single. In-Reply-To: <199601171256.HAA21697@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Thank you very much. Appreciate your help. Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 17 19:41:10 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:41:10 -0500 Subject: Question & U.K Single. Message-ID: >>I was wondering if anybody out there could tell me what film featured Don't Fear The Reaper? all i know of is the tv movie of stephen king's 'the stand' rj From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Wed Jan 17 19:33:35 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 16:33:35 -0800 Subject: Question & U.K Single. In-Reply-To: <199601162128.VAA16741@mars.skynet.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Aaron Trowell wrote: > I was wondering if anybody out there could tell me what film featured Don't > Fear The Reaper? The Stand - Passserby in Times Square From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Jan 17 20:33:16 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:33:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: US Gong '96 tour In-Reply-To: <9601161708.aa19331@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "M Holmes" at Jan 16, 96 05:08:46 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks: Here's some more info on the upcoming Gong tour of the US for those of us that are interested. Funny, they seem to be in a similar situation concerning venues, etc. that was such a big deal on the Spirit of the Age tour. Anyway, here it is FYI.......... >From veman at ix.netcom.com Wed Jan 17 12:11:42 CST 1996 Article: 13568 of alt.psychoactives From: veman at ix.netcom.com(Victor Manning ) Newsgroups: alt.music.planet-gong,alt.music.psychedelic,alt.music.progressive, alt.psychoactives,alt.gathering.rainbow,alt.extropians,alt.conciousness, alt.discordia,rec.music.phish,rec.music.gdead,alt.music.todd-rundgren Subject: Gong Tour USA in 1996 Date: 16 Jan 1996 11:45:53 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 78 Message-ID: <4dg35h$7ir at ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-sj24-06.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jan 16 3:45:53 AM PST 1996 OK this is what's up... The 'Birthday Party' band (Daevid Allen, Gilli Smythe, Didier Malherbe, Tim Blake, Pip Pyle, and Steffi Sharpstrings) is gearing up for a US tour run in March of 1996. Believe it. Dates are currently being booked nationwide, although, as we all know, Gong is not exactly a household name. As one of several veteran producers of the Twelve Selves tour in 1991, I know from experience that getting the word out about a Gong-related show can be difficult (I wasn't anywhere near the Net in 1991). This can seriously jeapordize the prospects of generating enough revenues to properly present the artist, as well as be able to pay all the costs incurred. This time we got the real deal. The stakes are a little higher. No hole-in-the wall impromptu theaters (ok... I admit mine was probably the worst). Convincing booking agents, and managers of quality venues (holding from 500 - 1000 people; or more depending on the city) to book a band they've never heard of, that caters to a fringe market, and has never toured America, is challenging at best. Some of us are willing to try. The problem is its hard to estimate how many people in a given community, if they know about the show, will actually come out to see it (preferably even buying ADVANCED tickets (hint)). We need to have some sense of numbers in order to approach these venues at all. If YOU happen to be one of those people- we want to know about YOU, where are YOU?, how many others do YOU know?, Would YOU like to see Gong Live in 1996? Let us know, then tell EVERYONE else YOU know that the possibility is looming. Many Gong-fans may not yet be on-line, and therefore will never read this message, so get the word out thru your own channels. Call those friends you haven't seen in years- tell them to pass the word along. NOW IS THE TIME TO COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK !! Let us know that you're out there. We want to be able to convince those hard-working club owners and managers that this show is worth their time and energy to make happen. Don't Dither, DO IT Do not wait for a Gong concert to just fall from the other side of the sky into your town. We must combine our energies and manifest it together. Think of it as YOUR show, then let us know you're there, and that this is as important to you as it is to us. YOU is we is Gong is ONE is Gong is we is YOU. YOU do your part, then we can do our part, and then they will do their part, and we'll all see each other at the show. It s a beautiful dream. Let's make it come true. Nationwide- write us at sahearn777 at aol.com. San Francisco Bay Area fans can write to veman at ix.netcom.com Currently, we are only surveying the potential audience size in a given community. However we will keep a temporary mailing list so we can let you know the Tour Schedule when it manifests. If you are interested in helping produce a show in your area, contact Sean Ahearn at 310-987-1723 The Gong Band, it's enough!!!! VeMan From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed Jan 17 21:19:50 1996 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:19:50 -0500 Subject: Subscribe request In-Reply-To: <9601171033.aa27805@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "M Holmes" at Jan 17, 96 10:33:40 am Message-ID: >Could we subscribe: > >dacombj at csc-shirley.e-mail.com > >(there may need to be a ".uk" appended to that) > >It's Jeremy Dacombe, a fan who I've been in touch with for a few years >by snailmail and who helped with corrections to our online lyrics. Done. YnSSHM, Ben From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed Jan 17 21:25:42 1996 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:25:42 -0500 Subject: ADMIN: Moderator on business trip: 1/19-1/23 Message-ID: [Sorry for the previous message - didn't mean to send it to the list...] As the subject indicates, I've got to go away on a business trip this coming weekend from Friday, 1/19, through Tuesday, 1/23. I don't expect any problems, but just wanted to make sure everyone knows that I will not be able to handle anything while I'm away. YnSSHM, Ben From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Jan 18 01:27:15 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:27:15 -0500 Subject: BOC: Radio Birdman Message-ID: I remember this band being mentioned here a while back regarding BOC. I think they did a cover or two? Well, just thought I'd mention that I saw one of their albums today under the "Punk" category and it's called "Radios Appear" - searching frantically, I saw no other BOC referrences, no BOC covers, etc. I was also wondering if anyone can recommend or describe this band. Chuck PS: While I was there I picked up Floyd's "Obscured By Clouds" and Alien Sex Fiend's "Acid Bath". (Speaking of ASF, whatever ever happened to La Doctressa/Sade?) From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Jan 18 22:06:54 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:06:54 -1000 Subject: BOC: Radio Birdman Message-ID: It's day of coincidences. I found out today that Radio Birdman are playing tomorrow night. I'm not planning on getting there, but a work colleague will be. I'll get his impressions on Monday. They're being supported by Wayne Kramer (of MC5 fame). I don't know a lot about them, but from what I have heard, "punk" is the usual description. Pete. >I remember this band being mentioned here a while back >regarding BOC. I think they did a cover or two? Well, just >thought I'd mention that I saw one of their albums today under >the "Punk" category and it's called "Radios Appear" - searching >frantically, I saw no other BOC referrences, no BOC covers, >etc. I was also wondering if anyone can recommend or describe >this band. > >Chuck > >PS: While I was there I picked up Floyd's "Obscured By Clouds" >and Alien Sex Fiend's "Acid Bath". (Speaking of ASF, whatever >ever happened to La Doctressa/Sade?) ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 18 06:39:58 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:39:58 GMT Subject: Subscribe request In-Reply-To: Ben Cohen's message of Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:19:50 -0500 Message-ID: Ben Cohen writes: > >Could we subscribe: > > > >dacombj at csc-shirley.e-mail.com > > > >(there may need to be a ".uk" appended to that) > > > >It's Jeremy Dacombe, a fan who I've been in touch with for a few years > >by snailmail and who helped with corrections to our online lyrics. > > Done. Thanks Ben, and welcome Jeremy! > YnSSHM, > Ben FoFP From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Jan 18 06:59:12 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:59:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: US Gong '96 tour Message-ID: In regards to the message below, I for one probably would by a ticket or two. I have heard of Gong on the BOC/Hawkwind discussion board. That is were I read this post. There are many Hawkwind fans that are also into Gong. Here is the e-mail address of a venue in Cleveland that is willing to book acts that are not in the mainstream of the music world. They have booked many bands that are progressive, electronic, space, etc. The name of the place is the Agora Theatre. agoralive at aol.com Hope this helps a little. Duane Hoyt aa5287 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu > >OK this is what's up... > >The 'Birthday Party' band (Daevid Allen, Gilli Smythe, Didier Malherbe, >Tim Blake, Pip Pyle, and Steffi Sharpstrings) is gearing up for a US >tour run in March of 1996. > >Believe it. > >Dates are currently being booked nationwide, although, as we all know, >Gong is not exactly a household name. > >As one of several veteran producers of the Twelve Selves tour in 1991, >I know from experience that getting the word out about a Gong-related >show can be difficult (I wasn't anywhere near the Net in 1991). This >can seriously jeapordize the prospects of generating enough revenues to >properly present the artist, as well as be able to pay all the costs incurred. > >This time we got the real deal. The stakes are a little higher. No >hole-in-the wall impromptu theaters (ok... I admit mine was probably >the worst). > >Convincing booking agents, and managers of quality venues (holding from >500 - 1000 people; or more depending on the city) to book a band >they've never heard of, that caters to a fringe market, and has never >toured America, is challenging at best. > >Some of us are willing to try. The problem is its hard to estimate how >many people in a given community, if they know about the show, will >actually come out to see it (preferably even buying ADVANCED tickets >(hint)). We need to have some sense of numbers in order to approach these >venues at all. > >If YOU happen to be one of those people- we want to know about YOU, >where are YOU?, how many others do YOU know?, Would YOU like to see >Gong Live in 1996? Let us know, then tell EVERYONE else YOU know that >the possibility is looming. > >Many Gong-fans may not yet be on-line, and therefore will never read >this message, so get the word out thru your own channels. Call those >friends you haven't seen in years- tell them to pass the word along. > >NOW IS THE TIME TO COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK !! > >Let us know that you're out there. We want to be able to convince those >hard-working club owners and managers that this show is worth their >time and energy to make happen. > >Don't Dither, DO IT >Do not wait for a Gong concert to just fall from the other side of the >sky into your town. We must combine our energies and manifest it >together. Think of it as YOUR show, then let us know you're there, and >that this is as important to you as it is to us. > >YOU is we is Gong is ONE is Gong is we is YOU. YOU do your part, then >we can do our part, and then they will do their part, and we'll all see >each other at the show. > >It s a beautiful dream. Let's make it come true. > >Nationwide- write us at sahearn777 at aol.com. >San Francisco Bay Area fans can write to veman at ix.netcom.com > >Currently, we are only surveying the potential audience size in a given >community. However we will keep a temporary mailing list so we can let >you know the Tour Schedule when it manifests. > >If you are interested in helping produce a show in your area, contact >Sean Ahearn at 310-987-1723 > >The Gong Band, it's enough!!!! > > VeMan > > -- " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Jan 18 07:27:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:27:00 EST Subject: HW: non CD Tracks Message-ID: \\joe, this is exactly the type of thing this class B collector has been figuring out in a less formal manner. My initial goal is to get all the recorded songs and then.... My question to the higher level collectors is what is really good among these songs and what is just good. I've not heard any of them. Is the "Utopia" you have listed the same song as the live one on Friday Rock Sessions Reading 86? That's worth getting if it is. Rudy >>>>(info's taken from:) The Hawkwind Codex: Version 2.0 12th December 1995 ================================================== (C) April 1993 by Mike Holmes and Jill Strobridge only from the weird tapes (and related boot): Bombed Out [Weird 107 - Dave Brock] Down on Her Knees [Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73] Etchanatae [Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73] First Landing on Medusa [Weird 107 - Dave Brock] Live and Let Live [Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73] Make What You Can [Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73] Slap it on de Table [Weird 103 - Free Festivals / Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield] Space Travellers [Weird 107 - Dave Brock] Touchdown [Weird 107 - Dave Brock] Where are they Now? [Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77] from the RCA albums: Disintegration [Sonic Attack] Fahrenheit 451 [Angels of Death / Choose Your Masques] Living On A Knife Edge [Angels of Death / Sonic Attack] Lost Chances [Sonic Attack] The Scan [Choose Your Masques] Streets of Fear [Weird 107 - Dave Brock / Sonic Attack] Utopia [Choose Your Masques] Virgin Of The World [Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 / Sonic Attack / Angels of Death] Void City [Choose Your Masques] Brock solo efforts: Into the Realms [The Agents of Chaos LP] Mountain in the Sky [The Agents of Chaos LP] Raping Robots in the Street [b/w Social Alliance 7"] When the Going Gets Tough [Friends And Relations III] Single b/w's: Time of [Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/Hawklords / b/w Who's Gonna Win the War? 7" Trans Dimensional Man [Weird 107 - Dave Brock {Speed of Light} / b/w Angels of Death 7"]<<<<< From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 18 08:06:56 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:06:56 EST Subject: BOC: Radio Birdman Message-ID: > I remember this band being mentioned here a while back > regarding BOC. I think they did a cover or two? Well, just > thought I'd mention that I saw one of their albums today under > the "Punk" category and it's called "Radios Appear" - searching > frantically, I saw no other BOC referrences, no BOC covers, > etc. I was also wondering if anyone can recommend or describe > this band. > > Chuck > Chuck, I have 'Radios Appear,' a great album, though I don't know how to categorize it. Punk is pretty close, but they also do some 'melodic' stuff, not just pogoing music. I believe they're from Australia, or at least some of the band is. I think that is their only album. I've never seen the band, and I imagine they're long since disbanded. I got the record quite some time ago, I'd guess in the early 80s. The best song is a hillarious send up of 'Hawaii 5-0' called 'Aloha from Steve and Danno.' They were huge fans of this curious TV show, and the song is littered with McGarrett's cliches. Other great tracks are 'Descent into the Maelstrom'(sp?) and 'Man With Golden Helmet.' I don't remember any nods to BOC other than the album title, though that's pretty cool. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 18 08:11:13 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:11:13 EST Subject: BOC: Radio Birdman Message-ID: > It's day of coincidences. > I found out today that Radio Birdman are playing tomorrow night. I'm not > planning on getting there, but a work colleague will be. I'll get his > impressions on Monday. They're being supported by Wayne Kramer (of MC5 fame). > I don't know a lot about them, but from what I have heard, "punk" is the > usual description. > Pete. > > >I remember this band being mentioned here a while back > >regarding BOC. I think they did a cover or two? Well, just > >thought I'd mention that I saw one of their albums today under > >the "Punk" category and it's called "Radios Appear" - searching > >frantically, I saw no other BOC referrences, no BOC covers, > >etc. I was also wondering if anyone can recommend or describe > >this band. > > > >Chuck > > > >PS: While I was there I picked up Floyd's "Obscured By Clouds" > >and Alien Sex Fiend's "Acid Bath". (Speaking of ASF, whatever > >ever happened to La Doctressa/Sade?) > Yo, Peter, Where are you writing from? A 'Birdman' gig would be amazing to catch. Does the 'AU' in your address mean Australia? I guess that'd be a little far for a gig. I now seem to recall that Birdman has some connection to Detroit rock in the MC5 era. Someone in the band was in either MC5 or the Stooges. Any info out there? theo From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jan 18 08:33:08 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:33:08 -0500 Subject: BOC: Radio Birdman Message-ID: >It's day of coincidences. >I found out today that Radio Birdman are playing tomorrow night. I'm not >planning on getting there, but a work colleague will be. I'll get his >impressions on Monday. They're being supported by Wayne Kramer (of MC5 fame). >I don't know a lot about them, but from what I have heard, "punk" is the >usual description. >Pete. All you Aussies that moan about no BOC, Hawkwind, etc tours, and you get a show I'd give blood for! RB are/were very Stooges/MC5 influenced - Deniz Tek is actually from Detroit - and Wayne Kramer has made a couple of pretty good albums lately (_Death Tongue_, _The Hard Stuff_), with contributions from Mick Farren (Hawkwind link there - "Lost Johnny" lyricist). Waaaay back when, RB covered "Transmaniacon MC" - it's on an impossible-to-find bootleg from about 1976; they put occasional lyrics like "on your feet - or on your knees" in songs like "Do the Pop", as well as calling their album _Radios Appear_; and they covered Stooges and 13th Floor Elevators songs as well. (The name "Radio Birdman" is from a Stooges song.) I wouldn't call them "punk" especially, unless you'd call the Stooges "punk". I would call this one of the essential gigs of the year, though! - Andy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jan 18 08:40:45 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:40:45 +0000 Subject: Off Subject Mike Watt In-Reply-To: <9601172015.AA02066@crux.astr.ua.edu> from "Bryan Irby" at Jan 17, 96 02:15:36 pm Message-ID: Speaking of Mike Watt, can someone give me the details on his single with the "Dominance and Submission" cover (label, number, etc.)? It was on the "Piss Bottle Man" single or something like that, wasn't it, and John found it on a Swedish import? Did it ever see a UK release? Cheers, Carl From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jan 18 09:05:52 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:05:52 -0500 Subject: HW. Entropy tango./E. Bloom Message-ID: In a message dated 17/01/96 15:12:12, you write: >I believe in some books a Mr Emmanuel Bloom crops up, though it's a long >time since I read any Moorcock. But I suspect that this isn't a reference >to Eric. Could be wrong though. Actually, Emmanuel would seem to shorted >to "Manny", also a name that Eric is sometimes referred to by...hmm, >interesting... > > I dunno - I don't believe it's a coincidence myself; it strikes me as pretty far-fetched - but FWIW here's the passage from _The Transformation of Miss Mavis Ming_ [1977] in which E. Bloom introduces himself: "Be certain," fluted the stranger, " that it is you who will come to understand my ways. I have no respect for customs, manners, fashions, for I am Bloom the Eternal. I am Bloom, who has experienced all. I am Emmanuel Bloom, whom Time cannot touch, whom space cannot suppress!" "A name at last," said Doctor Volospion in apparent delight. "We greet you, Mr Bloom." "That's funny," said Miss Ming, "you don't look Jewish." - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jan 18 09:28:49 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:28:49 -0500 Subject: BOC: Radio Birdman Message-ID: Theo said > I think that [_Radios Appear_] is their only album. Not so - there was a second album, _Living Eyes_. For newcomers, the best bet is probably to seek out a very comprehensive 2xCD set, _Under the Ashes_. After RB, Tek did form a band (New Race) with Ron Asheton from the Stooges, among others. Then he joined the US Navy as a flight surgeon, and did various other stuff... amazing to hear that he's re-formed RB! - Andy From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jan 18 09:35:54 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:35:54 +0000 Subject: HW. Entropy tango./E. Bloom In-Reply-To: <960118090550_300121449@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: My guess: the name was just coincidence when it was written, but Eric either read it, or someone else did and told him, or Moorcock pointed it out when they were working together, and that's how come the nickname. Obviously this is only a guess, but if Andy's got the book, can we find out whether it came out before the two met ( if anyone knows when that was? )? If it was after, we may have to start seriously wondering... Jazza /----------------------------------------------------------\ | "So, Penfold, what did you think of Popacatepetl?" | | "Er, not yet chief, but I will as soon as we | | get to the kitchen." | |==========================================================| |Jonathan Jarrett ( History ) | Ext. Tel. 01223 460728 | | ( Pembroke College, | Int. Tel. 39082 | | Cambridge CB2 1RF ) or | E-MAIL: | | 2 Selwyn Gardens (7), | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | Cambridge CB2 1NG. | | \__________________________________________________________/ From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 18 09:38:19 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:38:19 GMT Subject: HW: non CD Tracks In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:27:00 EST Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > \\joe, this is exactly the type of thing this class B collector has been > figuring out in a less formal manner. My initial goal is to get all the > recorded songs and then.... If the three new bootlegs are excluded, I'm reasonably sure I now have every version of every song that's been recorded on CD or vinyl with the exception of the edit of the instrumental section of Damnation Alley on the b-side of the Hassan I Sabha 7". One day.... > My question to the higher level collectors is > what is really good among these songs and what is just good. Eventually I'd like to add review information to the Codex to cover this sort of thing. Sort of like reviewing the evolution of songs through different years and versions. If anyone wants to make a start on that... Anyway, I did a post on rare tracks quite recently. I'll see if I can dig it out for a repost. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 18 09:40:33 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:40:33 GMT Subject: Rare Tracks Message-ID: This is the post on rare tracks from a few months back: > > I've abstracted out reare tracks from the tracks poll. These are tracks > > which have appeared at gigs, on tapes, or singles but which have never > > appeared on LP or CD. > > I guess it'd be good to find as clear as possible tape copies of these > and put a compilation tape together > > > > Posn Track Score Votes Author > > > > 1 Star Song 997 2 Wishart > > 11 New Jerusalem 813 8 Blake > > 14 The Blackening Rabbit 813 1 Brock? > > 41 The Joker Of The Universe 725 2 Moorcock > > 64 First Landing On Medusa 671 5 Brock > > 73 The Timeship Will Not Sail Again 643 2 Moorcock > > 76 Your Secret's Safe With Me 640 6 Wishart > > 78 Where Are They Now? 639 4 Brock > > 96 Time For Sale 597 2 Calvert? > > 113 Astronauts 564 1 Ashley > > 139 Trans Dimensional Man 509 5 Brock > > 142 Note From A Cold Planet 508 3 Moorcock > > 160 Waiting For Nati 476 5 Blake > > 163 Space Travellers 465 3 Bainbridge? > > 173 The Welcoming Hands Of Space 454 3 Ashley > > 191 They've Got Your Number 417 3 Langton > > 196 Make What You Can 410 4 Brock > > 201 Touchdown 400 3 Brock > > 210 Etchanatae 369 4 Brock? > > 216 Mark Of Cain 353 3 Langton > > 231 Ode To A Crystal Set 333 2 Calvert > > 247 Time Of 307 6 Brock? > > 288 My Armour's Killing Me 161 6 Moorcock > > 292 Raping Robots In The Street 137 6 Brock > > 307 Live And Let Live 13 2 Brock? > > also: > > Rambo In Space Ashley > Coleridge On The Enterprise Ashley > Land of Inspirations Chadwick > > There might also be a case for adding weird stuff like Moorcock doing > "Warriors On the Edge" to the tune of "Spirit of the Age" > > > Anyone know of any others? > > FoFP From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Jan 18 09:50:44 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:50:44 EST Subject: HW. Entropy tango./E. Bloom Message-ID: An earlier appearance of "E.Bloom" as the infamous Fireclown (HW link) was in the book 'Winds of Limbo', which preceded the quoted short story '..Mavis Ming'. In fact, I think WoL was the first appearance of Emmanual "Manny" Bloom, a double-crossed spacehero who became the crazed Fireclown. As to when this book was first published, I am guessing it was in the mid-sixties...? Perhaps Allan would remember? Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jan 18 10:16:37 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:16:37 -0500 Subject: HW. Entropy tango./E. Bloom Message-ID: In a message dated 18/01/96 14:42:50, you write: << My guess: the name was just coincidence when it was written, but Eric either read it, or someone else did and told him, or Moorcock pointed it out when they were working together, and that's how come the nickname. Obviously this is only a guess, but if Andy's got the book, can we find out whether it came out before the two met ( if anyone knows when that was? )? If it was after, we may have to start seriously wondering... >> From irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU Thu Jan 18 10:20:01 1996 From: irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:20:01 -0600 Subject: Off Subject Mike Watt In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Jan 18, 96 01:40:45 pm Message-ID: > > Speaking of Mike Watt, can someone give me the details on his > single with the "Dominance and Submission" cover (label, number, etc.)? > It was on the "Piss Bottle Man" single or something like that, wasn't > it, and John found it on a Swedish import? Did it ever see a UK release? It was on the "E-Ticket Ride" single, along with another tune "Big Bang Theory" with Frank Black (ex-Pixies). I have it on vinyl, but not CD. John apparently got it on CD as an import. UK, I dunno. -Bryan From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Jan 18 10:40:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:40:00 EST Subject: HW: Rare Tracks - A reprint Message-ID: FoFP>If the three new bootlegs are excluded, I'm reasonably sure I now have FoFP>every version of every song that's been recorded on CD or vinyl with the FoFP>exception of..... Oh, rub it in my face! I think that this is the post you're referring to. I have it saved in my guidance section. How about starting the review/ratings with the non CD tracks to make things more manageable and useful to the lower classes. Rudy ---------- From: owner-boc-l To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Rare Tracks Date: Friday, November 24, 1995 4:11PM > I've abstracted out reare tracks from the tracks poll. These are tracks > which have appeared at gigs, on tapes, or singles but which have never > appeared on LP or CD. I guess it'd be good to find as clear as possible tape copies of these and put a compilation tape together > Posn Track Score Votes Author > > 1 Star Song 997 2 Wishart > 11 New Jerusalem 813 8 Blake > 14 The Blackening Rabbit 813 1 Brock? > 41 The Joker Of The Universe 725 2 Moorcock > 64 First Landing On Medusa 671 5 Brock > 73 The Timeship Will Not Sail Again 643 2 Moorcock > 76 Your Secret's Safe With Me 640 6 Wishart > 78 Where Are They Now? 639 4 Brock > 96 Time For Sale 597 2 Calvert? > 113 Astronauts 564 1 Ashley > 139 Trans Dimensional Man 509 5 Brock > 142 Note From A Cold Planet 508 3 Moorcock > 160 Waiting For Nati 476 5 Blake > 163 Space Travellers 465 3 Bainbridge? > 173 The Welcoming Hands Of Space 454 3 Ashley > 191 They've Got Your Number 417 3 Langton > 196 Make What You Can 410 4 Brock > 201 Touchdown 400 3 Brock > 210 Etchanatae 369 4 Brock? > 216 Mark Of Cain 353 3 Langton > 231 Ode To A Crystal Set 333 2 Calvert > 247 Time Of 307 6 Brock? > 288 My Armour's Killing Me 161 6 Moorcock > 292 Raping Robots In The Street 137 6 Brock > 307 Live And Let Live 13 2 Brock? also: Rambo In Space Ashley Coleridge On The Enterprise Ashley Land of Inspirations Chadwick There might also be a case for adding weird stuff like Moorcock doing "Warriors On the Edge" to the tune of "Spirit of the Age" Anyone know of any others? FoFP From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM Thu Jan 18 10:49:39 1996 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:49:39 -0500 Subject: Calling Adrian Brevard Message-ID: Sorry to take up band width guys. Adrian, please could you contact me privately, I have been trying to get through to you but the mail just keeps bouncing back. Oh yeah, it's about the directory. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sbphrd.com" From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 18 11:32:01 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:32:01 -0500 Subject: Off Subject Mike Watt Message-ID: > Speaking of Mike Watt, can someone give me the details on his > single with the "Dominance and Submission" cover (label, number, etc.)? > It was on the "Piss Bottle Man" single or something like that, wasn't > it, and John found it on a Swedish import? Did it ever see a UK release? It was on the "E-Ticket Ride" single, along with another tune "Big Bang Theory" with Frank Black (ex-Pixies). I have it on vinyl, but not CD. John apparently got it on CD as an import. UK, I dunno. -Bryan Well, the single I have with "Domminance + Submission" was NOT the one with "E-Ticket Ride". It was an import 3-track single. "Piss Bottle Man" was the main track, followed by "Domminance and Submission" and "Big Train". I believe the original "Piss Bottle Man" CD single was only 1 or 2 tracks, so to find the one with "Dominance and Submission", you need to find a 3-track single of "Piss Bottle Man". As I recall, Deborah mentioned something about the original single which had "Dominance and Submission" being recalled due to labelling. Note that the 3-track CD does not have the proper credits for "Dominance and Submission" on it. My guess is that this got released in Europe before they could stop it to correct the error. John From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jan 18 12:04:31 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:04:31 -0500 Subject: Fwd: HW. Entropy tango./E. Bloom Message-ID: This is what I meant to send :) << My guess: the name was just coincidence when it was written, but Eric either read it, or someone else did and told him, or Moorcock pointed it out when they were working together, and that's how come the nickname. Obviously this is only a guess, but if Andy's got the book, can we find out whether it came out before the two met ( if anyone knows when that was? )? If it was after, we may have to start seriously wondering... >> _Mavis Ming_ was '77, which is earlier than the first known collaboration between Bloom and Moorcock ('79), but who knows when they first met? _The Fireclown_ (aka _The Winds of Limbo_ [1963 or so]) is one of the few MM books I don't have, but I'm pretty certain the name Bloom does not appear in it. - Andy --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: HW. Entropy tango./E. Bloom Date: 96-01-18 10:16:15 EST From: AndyGilham To: jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk(jonjarrett) << My guess: the name was just coincidence when it was written, but Eric either read it, or someone else did and told him, or Moorcock pointed it out when they were working together, and that's how come the nickname. Obviously this is only a guess, but if Andy's got the book, can we find out whether it came out before the two met ( if anyone knows when that was? )? If it was after, we may have to start seriously wondering... >> _Mavis Ming_ was '77, which is earlier than the first known collaboration between Bloom and Moorcock ('79), but who knows when they first met? _The Fireclown_ (aka _The Winds of Limbo_ [1963 or so]) is one of the few MM books I don't have, but I'm pretty certain the name Bloom does not appear in it. - Andy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Jan 18 12:32:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:32:00 EST Subject: HW: A Brainstorm (not the song) Message-ID: If somebody wants to provide me copies of the released HW songs that aren't on CD, I'd take on the task of rating them. It's a dirty job, but it has got to be done. I'd even throw in the ratings for the CD songs (still waiting for my Mighty Hawkwind Classics CD). Yes, if I can do some small part in casting light on the darkness, that will be it's own reward. (I rank up there with Pinky and the Brain for failed ploys) Rudy A kollector Class C wannabe (or any class at all) From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 18 13:14:17 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:14:17 GMT Subject: HW. Entropy tango./E. Bloom In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:50:44 EST Message-ID: > An earlier appearance of "E.Bloom" as the infamous Fireclown (HW > link) was in the book 'Winds of Limbo', which preceded the quoted > short story '..Mavis Ming'. In fact, I think WoL was the first > appearance of Emmanual "Manny" Bloom, a double-crossed spacehero > who became the crazed Fireclown. > I think (knowing Moorcock's concept of his own writing as a "serious" literary writer) you also need to bear in mind the character of Leopold Bloom - the modern Odysseus hero of James Joyce's "Ulysses". This is one of the great classics of 20thC Literature and I can't believe Moorcock would have passed up the opportunity of using such a character. I quote from a bit of lit.crit I just found: "Joyce regarded Homer's Ulysses as the most 'complete' man in literature, a man who is shown in all his aspects - both coward and hero, cautious and reckless, weak and strong, husband and lover, father and son, sublime and ridiculous; so he makes his hero Leopold Bloom, an Irish Jew, into a modern Ulysses, and by so doing helps to make him Everyman" Whether or not Moorcock would try to fit Eric Bloom into this context is beyond my capacity to judge! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From zsoldos at OGYALLA.KONKOLY.HU Thu Jan 18 13:25:21 1996 From: zsoldos at OGYALLA.KONKOLY.HU (Endre Zsoldos) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 19:25:21 +0100 Subject: Fwd: HW. Entropy tango./E. Bloom Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: >The >Fireclown_ (aka _The Winds of Limbo_ [1963 or so]) is one of the few MM books >I don't have, but I'm pretty certain the name Bloom does not appear in it. Then you are certainly wrong. The name of the Fireclown is Emmanuel Bloom and it _does_ appear in the book several times. Cheers, Endre From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jan 18 13:33:02 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:33:02 +0000 Subject: BOC: WoT in the UK Message-ID: _Workshop of the Telescopes_ is on Sony in the UK, just like in the States, right? Does anyone know the catalog number? Cheers, Carl From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Jan 18 13:33:37 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:33:37 EST Subject: OFF: E.Bloom and the plot of _Winds of Limbo_ Message-ID: >_Mavis Ming_ was '77, which is earlier than the first known collaboration >between Bloom and Moorcock ('79), but who knows when they first met? >_The Fireclown_ (aka _The Winds of Limbo_ [1963 or so]) is one of >the few MM books I don't have, but I'm pretty certain the name >Bloom does not appear in it. > >- Andy Beg to differ, but I have just finished reading _WoL_ for the first time and it gives the (human) history of the Fireclown. Emmanual Bloom was a famous Earth spaceman who had an affair with the daughter of an important political figure. When his daughter became pregnant, the father (I forget his name) sent Bloom on some "rigged" mission in space that resulted in his apparent death. A son was born, not knowing the name of his father. The mother died while the child was quite young. The grandfather raised the child, who is the lead character in the story _WoL_. Bloom actually survived the space mishap (something involving his spaceship crashing into a star, I think?), but was changed mentally and psychologically (and physically?). He took on the name and persona of the Fireclown, an anonymous figure in clown dress and makeup with an uncanny ability to control flame. Somewhere along the line he also acquired a special spaceship with abilities unlike other spaceships. Eventually the Fireclown returns and attempts to destroy the Earth, but is saved by his long-lost son, who discovers his true parentage and saves both the Fireclown and the Earth from each other. The end. <..we apologize for this brief interruption..> :-) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jan 18 13:34:44 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:34:44 +0000 Subject: OFF: Wall of Sleep? Message-ID: Has anyone on here heard of the UK band Wall of Sleep? They're on the "Bevis Frond" Woronzow label and the description I've read of them makes them sound like they might be pretty cool .... Cheers, Carl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 18 14:04:55 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:04:55 EST Subject: BOC: WoT in the UK Message-ID: > _Workshop of the Telescopes_ is on Sony in the UK, just like in > the States, right? Does anyone know the catalog number? > > Cheers, > Carl Carl, My U.S. copy of WotT is marked on the spine: Legacy/Columbia C2K 64163. It's the earlier, double-sized jewel box. theo From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 18 15:02:39 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:02:39 -0500 Subject: No Mike Watt Live Album? Message-ID: Watt is filling in on bass with Porno for Pyros in Australia now. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Jan 18 15:02:10 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:02:10 -0500 Subject: HW. Entropy tango./E. Bloom Message-ID: Endre said >Then you are certainly wrong. The name of the Fireclown is Emmanuel Bloom and >it _does_ appear in the book several times. Oops! I was wrong *twice* - I *do* have a copy of _The Winds of Limbo_ [1970 ed, orig 1965], and there on p. 159: "Our cameras have succeeded in tracking the escaping spaceship _Pi-meson_, containing convicts Manny Bloom, better known as the Fireclown, and Simon Powys!" Ulp! Looks like it *is* a coincidence! Stranger than fiction, etc... - Andy From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Thu Jan 18 15:25:04 1996 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:25:04 -0500 Subject: HW. Entropy tango./E. Bloom/joyce In-Reply-To: <960118150157_120486721@emout05.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jan 18, 96 03:02:10 pm Message-ID: i think jill was certainly on target with the Ulysses reference...i think MM may have commented on this at some point (having tried to organize the pile... mountain? of papers that is my moorcock xerox file i can safely say i wouldmn't be able to track it down in this conjunction!) on a tangent, moorcock makes an appearance in Ulysses (apparently a moorcock is a form of red grouse). --dave From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Jan 18 15:59:03 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:59:03 -0500 Subject: HW: Rare Tracks - A reprint Message-ID: >Anyone know of any others? > >FoFP Wot about The Martian Disco Stomp? One of my all time faves Martyn "You put it in at the front and you shit it out at the back" Nik Turner, Martian Disco Stomp, Night of the Hawks Video From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Jan 18 16:42:36 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:42:36 -0500 Subject: Warrior misspressing In-Reply-To: <9601161708.aa19331@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "M Holmes" at Jan 16, 96 05:08:46 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks: Just thought I'd pass this info along, for those interested. I read a posting from a guy in Israel who said that he ordered the Griffin release of WotEoT (presumably not the box set), and got something he *knew* wasn't Hawkwind. Anyway, somebody was able to determine that he actually had Pendragon's 'The World' instead, which is in fact on Griffin's catalog. So I sent email to Griffin to see whether they knew of this, and they sent this response...... Keith H. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thanks for your inquiry on the great WARRIOR ON THE EDGE OF TIME fiasco. It's true that PENDRAGON-THE WORLD was put into the WotEot package at the plant a while ago. It has been cleared up since then. If you haven't done so already, bring the CD back to the store and order a copy from WorldWide CD (312-665-0030), a mail order place we are sure has legit versions! Thanks again, Griffin Comm Services From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jan 18 17:14:00 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:14:00 +1100 Subject: NIK: Eldslandet Gig with DarXtar 16/12/95 Message-ID: Gidday Hawkwfans! First of all, my thanks to Henrik HawkSwede for sending me the tapes! It seems that the folk in Sweden where swept back to 1973 in December last year. I quite enjoyed the tapes of the Nik Turner gig backed by DarXtar. I haven't listened to all of the DarXtar only tape yet, but the NikWind section was great. Nik *still* can't sing for shit, but the music itself seems to be very true to the original Hawkwind. I was somewhat surprised by the inclusion of _Kadu Flyer_, and have learnt that you *can* have 'un-plugged' Hawkwind ... as in the end of _High Rise_. _Sonic Attack_ was the only track that I was dissappointed with. So ends the shortest review of my 'career'. Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au World Wide Web: http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 18 17:29:49 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 22:29:49 GMT Subject: Warrior misspressing In-Reply-To: Keith A Henderson's message of Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:42:36 -0500 Message-ID: > So I sent email to Griffin to see whether they knew of this, and they sent this > response...... > > Keith H. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Thanks for your inquiry on the great WARRIOR ON THE EDGE OF TIME fiasco. > > It's true that PENDRAGON-THE WORLD was put into the WotEot package at the > plant a while ago. It has been cleared up since then. If you haven't done so > already, bring the CD back to the store and order a copy from WorldWide CD > (312-665-0030), a mail order place we are sure has legit versions! > Their response reads as if it was just the wrong disc that got put into the box but the original complaint sounds like the CD label itself read "Warrior" while the recording obviously wasn't. Is this the situation? That there is a wrongly labelled Warrior CD playing Pendragon stuff? Kurious Kollectors need to know. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 18 17:24:06 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 22:24:06 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind stuff for sale Message-ID: I've just had a huge list of Hawkwind items available for sale from Rock of Ages: 7" singles (including some very rare ones), original LPs with their inner and outer sleeves including Astounding sounds, Hall of the Mountain Grill, Space Ritual and Warrior on the Edge of Time; several magazines with Hawkwind covers or inside pictures and adverts; several tour programmes including Dec '74-Feb '75 tour (with the Indian pic on the front), Levitation Tour, Masters of the Universe tour; and an astonishing number of tickets or ticket stubs for various venues. the tickets are costing between 10.00 and 12.00 pounds; the magazines are anything from 6.00 - 25.00 pounds and the singles are 6.00 pounds upwards, depending on rarity. If you'd like a copy of their list their fax number is: 01709 861 389 (Rock of Ages, PO Box 1055, Conisbrough, Doncaster, S.York DN12 3EB) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Jan 18 20:37:36 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 20:37:36 -0500 Subject: Warrior misspressing In-Reply-To: <9601182229.aa25459@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Jan 18, 96 10:29:49 pm Message-ID: Jill asks: > > Their response reads as if it was just the wrong disc that got put into > the box but the original complaint sounds like the CD label itself read > "Warrior" while the recording obviously wasn't. > > Is this the situation? That there is a wrongly labelled Warrior CD > playing Pendragon stuff? > > Kurious Kollectors need to know. The latter is no doubt correct, because the person in question was forced to quote lyrics from something he didn't recognize (but knew couldn't be Hawkwind), and after a bit, someone else responded that he recognized the lyrics as being Pendragon. So it's stamped 'Warrior' certainly. Keith H. From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Fri Jan 19 18:51:21 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 13:51:21 -1000 Subject: OFF: Radio Birdman Oz gigs and interview Message-ID: I found this on the Web page for Time Off, a local gig guide, and it seemed topical. I hope they don't mind a little extra promotion. (http://peg.pegasus.oz.au/~timeoff/radio.htm) Pete. > [Time Off Magazine] > > Radio Birdman > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [Image] > > Radios reappear > > It's hard to do justice to Radio Birdman with words. Their music is > what counts, the incredible energy, urgency and intensity of it. To > say that it's classic rock is to imply that it sounds old now - but > listen to Radios Appear, and try to think of anyone who sounds that > powerful, that immediate. You'd have a bloody short list. That > record is quite simply as good as rock'n'roll gets - and their > second album, Living Eyes, isn't far off it. > > In their time (1974-79), Radio Birdman created what was to become an > enduring legend. In Australia and Europe (and to a much lesser > extent, America, where the band's records remain all but > unobtainable), they achieved a fanatic cult following that is still > growing. For a hell of a lot of Australian kids who entered their > teens in the '80s, Radio Birdman was a much a musical rite of > passage as the Sex Pistols. People who actually saw Radio Birdman > play in the old days got sick of telling awed youngsters how good > they were. > > So it is that the reformation of this seminal Australian band is a > momentous event. The prospect of a reunion has continually been > quashed by the band's members ever since the bitter split - that is, > until they all came into contact with one another again last year, > during the remastering and remixing of their two brilliant albums. > Listening to their awesome output - and interacting with one another > - for the first time in years, the members of Radio Birdman decided > to play live again. > > "We realised that we're all good blokes and we enjoy each others' > company, and 'Oh well, looks like it's okay to be together again'," > explains guitarist and songwriter Deniz Tek. "It was the physical > act of everybody getting together." > > Everybody except drummer Ron Keeley was involved in finalising the > definitive re-release of Radios Appear and Living Eyes. When Keeley > appeared at a Deniz Tek solo show, and guested on drums for two > songs, the final component was in place. > > "We didn't think it would be honest to call it Radio Birdman without > Ron, without all the original guys," Tek says. > > Most surprising of all, however, has been the readiness of singer > Rob Younger. A well-known producer and leader of the New Christs, > Younger has in the past been the first to silence talk of even > partial reunions. What persuaded him? > > "You'd have to ask him that," says Tek. "I'm not sure why there was > a change of heart. All I can tell you is that once he started > working on these projects of the reissues, his attitude towards it > seemed to change, and he was open to the idea. When [promoter] Ken > West made us an offer, Rob was right there, putting his hand up and > saying he would participate... He's as enthusiastic about this as > anybody." > > Of course, when a kickass band decides to reform nearly two decades > after they split (even when one just keeps going for two decades) > some fans are going to have doubts about their ability to perform. > Many see it as tarnishing the legend, padding out the epitaph. Deniz > Tek is having none of that. > > "We're quite prepared for the myth of Radio Birdman to be destroyed > by this, if that's what happens," he states. "All I can tell you is > that we'll play as hard as we can, and if the old chemistry comes > back, then interesting things will happen. But if it destroys a myth > that somebody's carrying around, then fair enough. People should > focus on what's happening now, rather than myths anyway. > > "Radio Birdman, at least the way I remember it, had its own > chemistry... it generated its own other presence, just because of > the combination of people. I think if anybody approaches the Birdman > shows with an open mind, I don't think they're going to be > disappointed." > > Considering the band's zealous following in Europe, it would seem > inevitable that they tour there. Tek, however, remains > matter-of-fact, and won't promise any Birdman activity outside of > the Australian tour and concurrent Big Day Out appearances. He > refers to the dates as a "test run", and the band won't commit to > further touring or recording until they're done. Still, the prospect > of new material has already arisen. > > "I personally would like to record again, but we just have to see > whether that can happen," Tek says. "I think it would be a good > idea. There should be more Radio Birdman songs recorded. I think > we're going to write a couple of songs anyway, for the tour, so that > we'll have a couple of new songs to play and it doesn't have to be > all old stuff. So there will be a couple of new Radio Birdman songs > performed. We just haven't talked about recording." > > It's fair that Tek should speak warily - the breakup of Radio > Birdman in 1979 was bitter enough to keep them apart until now... > > "It was extremely acrimonious. Some members didn't speak for ten > years. But it seems to be all water under the bridge now - I guess > 20 years is long enough for those hatchets to be buried. At least on > paper it looks good, and the time that we've spent together this > time has been good. But who knows what's going to happen when we get > back in the pressure cooker? A lot of times when families break up > and have bad splits, if they try and put it back together again, the > same personality problems come out again, even many years later. So > I wouldn't be surprised if that happened again with these guys. But > I'm hoping it doesn't." > > Radio Birdman play the Roxy on January 19, The Playroom on the 20th > and The Big Day Out at the Gold Coast Parklands on the 21st. > > SIMON McKENZIE > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Back to Time Off contents page > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > (C) Copyright 1995 Time Off Publications. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jan 19 01:55:12 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:55:12 +0100 Subject: NIK: Eldslandet Gig with DarXtar 16/12/95 Message-ID: >Gidday Hawkwfans! > >First of all, my thanks to Henrik HawkSwede for sending me the tapes! > >It seems that the folk in Sweden where swept back to 1973 in >December last year. I quite enjoyed the tapes of the Nik Turner gig >backed by DarXtar. I haven't listened to all of the DarXtar only >tape yet, but the NikWind section was great. Nik *still* can't sing >for shit, but the music itself seems to be very true to the original >Hawkwind. I was somewhat surprised by the inclusion of _Kadu Flyer_, >and have learnt that you *can* have 'un-plugged' Hawkwind ... as in >the end of _High Rise_. _Sonic Attack_ was the only track that I was >dissappointed with. hmm, visual the Sonic Attack section was a hit - imagine uncle Nik, with insanity in his panic wide eyes and sweat dripping thru the painted face, talking into the mouth in his sax to get the metallic edge into the vocals... the whole scene was... eh, unearthly >So ends the shortest review of my 'career'. better with short reviews, than no reviews at all! >Paul \\joe From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Jan 19 05:49:40 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:49:40 +0000 Subject: HW. Entropy tango./E. Bloom In-Reply-To: <960118090550_300121449@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: > > > > > > I dunno - I don't believe it's a coincidence myself; it strikes me as pretty > far-fetched - but FWIW here's the passage from _The Transformation of Miss > Mavis Ming_ [1977] in which E. Bloom introduces himself: > > "Be certain," fluted the stranger, " that it is you who will come to > understand my ways. I have no respect for customs, manners, fashions, for I > am Bloom the Eternal. I am Bloom, who has experienced all. I am Emmanuel > Bloom, whom Time cannot touch, whom space cannot suppress!" Hmm, sounds more like Toad from Wind in the Willows. Dave From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Jan 19 05:55:25 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:55:25 +0000 Subject: HW. Entropy tango./E. Bloom In-Reply-To: <9601181814.aa02062@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: > > I think (knowing Moorcock's concept of his own writing as a "serious" > literary writer) you also need to bear in mind the character of Leopold > Bloom - the modern Odysseus hero of James Joyce's "Ulysses". This > is one of the great classics of 20thC Literature and I can't believe > Moorcock would have passed up the opportunity of using such a character. > I quote from a bit of lit.crit I just found: >[snippety-snip...] Actually, the bits in Moorcock books where long lists of names are given - Bloom among them - are straight out of Ulysses, so I think your thesis above is highly plausible. Dave From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Jan 19 05:59:40 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:59:40 +0000 Subject: HW. Entropy tango./E. Bloom/joyce In-Reply-To: <199601182025.PAA11335@pobox.upenn.edu> Message-ID: > > on a tangent, moorcock makes an appearance in Ulysses > (apparently a moorcock is a form of red grouse). > It is, and I have a signed Moorcock where Mike drew a picture of the aforementioned bird. Irrelevant but true. Dave From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 19 08:05:01 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 13:05:01 GMT Subject: New Live Chronicles video. Message-ID: Re this message a while back: ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > Just got this info from someone at Visionary who's online. > Unfortunately he confirms that there are no immediate plans to release > this on VHS tape. > VISIONARY / NEW RELEASE INFORMATION > Cat No. VVCD 01 Artist HAWKWIND Title The Chronicle Of The Black > Sword Duration 70 mins SRP. 14.99 BBFC Cert. E Barcode 5013929750012 > Release Date 23 October 1995 > Visionary are proud to announce the release of their first Video CD. > A special edition of Hawkwind's celebrated Chronicle of the Black > Sword tour footage, presented, for the first time, with the previously > unseen encore and full stereo digital soundtrack. This is the first > ever serious release of its kind on this new format by an independent > label. > Track listing SONGS OF THE SWORDS / SEA KING / MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE > CHOOSE YOUR MASQUES / NEEDLEGUN / ZARZONIA / BRAINSTORM MOONGLUM / > ELRIC THE ENCHANTER / MAGNU / HORN OF DESTINY CODED LANGUAGES / BORN > TO GO / UTOPIA / LEVITATION > HAWKWIND's classic stage production of "The Chronicle Of The Black > Sword" as performed at London's Hammersmith Odeon 1985. Based on the > "Elric" stories by Michael Moorcock. > featuring TONY CRERAR as "Elric" & KRIS TAIT as "Zarozinia" > narration by MICHAEL MOORCOCK > The original show is augmented by the four bonus tracks which feature > rare footage of Michael Moorcock onstage performing alongside the > band. > This disc is a "White Book" Video CD and can be played with digital > stereo sound on CD-I and MPEG compatible players > best wishes -- Richard J.King > VISONARY COMMUNICATIONS, PO BOX 30, LYTHAM ST.ANNES, FY8 1RL, ENGLAND > http://www.state51.co.uk/state51/visionary/ ---- End of forwarded text ---- I finally got it converted from CD-I to PAL-VHS tape. The advertising is slightly misleading re the 4 extra tracks. In fact "Born To Go" and "Levitation" are simply reprises of these songs. "Utopia" is thankfully "Arrival In Utopia" though and that and "Coded Languages" appear complete. Moorcock however appears only on "Coded Languages" and the "Born To Go" reprise. FoFP From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Jan 19 08:11:26 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:11:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: Internet Ripoff Message-ID: hi folks, just wanted to pass this EMail that I received in case you get it...I saw this company on NBC news and how they are getting sued because their product just doesn't work...they claim that they have a multimedia program to can help ya learn stuff... ROBO RE: The Learning Machine Takes You Beyond Virtual Reality http://fincon.com Amazing!! If you have a moment check out a new web site http://fincon.com They have an incredible new multi-media technology that uses a special digital headset that forces your mind to learn. It blew my mind!!! Kinda felt like I was dreaming, while learning foreign languages, and programming my subconscious for success. Pretty awesome. The company offers a free 30 day trial. Check it out!!! If you wish to be removed from Internet "specials", email to fred at fincon.com with the words "no specials" in the subject or body of your message. Fred Sterling From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 19 08:14:55 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:14:55 EST Subject: OFF: Radio Birdman Oz gigs and interview Message-ID: > > Of course, when a kickass band decides to reform nearly two decades > > after they split (even when one just keeps going for two decades) > > some fans are going to have doubts about their ability to perform. > > Many see it as tarnishing the legend, padding out the epitaph. Deniz > > Tek is having none of that. > > > > "We're quite prepared for the myth of Radio Birdman to be destroyed > > by this, if that's what happens," he states. "All I can tell you is > > that we'll play as hard as we can, and if the old chemistry comes > > back, then interesting things will happen. But if it destroys a myth > > that somebody's carrying around, then fair enough. People should > > focus on what's happening now, rather than myths anyway. > > > > > > "I personally would like to record again, but we just have to see > > whether that can happen," Tek says. "I think it would be a good > > idea. There should be more Radio Birdman songs recorded. I think > > we're going to write a couple of songs anyway, for the tour, so that > > we'll have a couple of new songs to play and it doesn't have to be > > all old stuff. So there will be a couple of new Radio Birdman songs > > performed. We just haven't talked about recording." > > > > It's fair that Tek should speak warily - the breakup of Radio > > Birdman in 1979 was bitter enough to keep them apart until now... > > > > "It was extremely acrimonious. Some members didn't speak for ten > > years. But it seems to be all water under the bridge now - I guess > > 20 years is long enough for those hatchets to be buried. At least on > > paper it looks good, and the time that we've spent together this > > time has been good. But who knows what's going to happen when we get > > back in the pressure cooker? A lot of times when families break up > > and have bad splits, if they try and put it back together again, the > > same personality problems come out again, even many years later. So > > I wouldn't be surprised if that happened again with these guys. But > > I'm hoping it doesn't." > > > > Radio Birdman play the Roxy on January 19, The Playroom on the 20th > > and The Big Day Out at the Gold Coast Parklands on the 21st. > > > > SIMON McKENZIE > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Back to Time Off contents page > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > (C) Copyright 1995 Time Off Publications. Peter, Thanks for posting such a great article. Is there any word as to whether Birdman will in fact record any new material? Denniz sounds somewhat doubtful. Has his opinion changed. Also, do you know if the Birdman stuff, remastered, will be available in the U.S. or just Australia? Also, the article was obviously written by a real fanatic. Was Birdman in fact as popular as Simon believes? theo From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Jan 19 08:33:21 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:33:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Down Under! Message-ID: Yes! They are playing at the Palace in Melbourne on March 1st, as well as an 'in-store appearance' at Greville Records. Hey Matt & Marty - we going? I'm sure we can make a real big BRAINSTORM banner ;^) Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Jan 19 08:35:16 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:35:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: WWW Page update Message-ID: Hi Guys, I just updated my pages. The _This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic_ review has been added to: http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hawkwind/reviews Fofp's recently posted Live tape list, and a really cool story by Robert Calvert (thanks Seb) are on: http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hawkwind/files Finally, another Nik Turner interview (thanks again Seb) has been added to: http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hawkwind/talk Enjoy! -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Jan 19 08:41:24 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:41:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: An old newspaper clipping Message-ID: Gidday All! I was going through some old photo albums (to look for a picture to sacn so that various folk would recognise me when I arrive in the UK), and came across this old clipping from a local paper. Self-gratification mode ON (from the "Latrobe Valley Express", February 85) NOISY TRIBUTE TO THE YEAR In March 'Spontaneous Noise Induction' enters its second year on 103.5 Gippsland FM, and to celebrate Paul Ward will be hosting a month of specials looking at his first year with the station. He will be starting with a program on March 2 entitled 'A Year of Noise' in which he will be focussing on what he considers to be the best tracks featured on his show during 1984. You can be assured of an exciting mixture of electro-rock and underground styles. Throughout the rest of March he will be doing specials on the five most frequently featured bands in his program: Bauhaus, Toyah, Cabaret Voltaire, Eloy, and to finish off the month long celebration, a three hour epic based on the history of the relatively unknown space rock group, Hawkwind. You can find the dates for each special in Gippsland FM's program guide in the Entertainment pages. Whether you are a regular listener, or if you wish to hear some remarkably different music, tune in to 103.5 Gippsland FM between the hours of 2pm and 4pm every Saturday during March. Self-gratification mode OFF -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Jan 19 19:43:54 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:43:54 +0000 Subject: BOC: Radio Birdman In-Reply-To: <01I04Z4ESAPK99IUWY@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Jan 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > I remember this band being mentioned here a while back > regarding BOC. I think they did a cover or two? Chuck, Radio Birdman where a very popular (to Aussies at least) Australian band from the sixties, who just reformed, and are playing this weekend at the 'Big Day Out' in Melbourne. They have also just released a new CD. That is all I know about them, and I have no idea if they ever did any BOC (I doubt it). I can't even remember the names of any of their tracks (though I can't get one of their tunes outa my head now .... ) Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Jan 19 08:49:56 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:49:56 -0500 Subject: HW: Review - Stonehenge (TiHW,DNP) Message-ID: Album Review: Hawkwind - "Stonehenge: This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic" --------------------------------------------------------------------- Band: Hawkwind Title: Stonehenge: This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic 1st: 1984 Label: Flicknife SHARP 022 Artists: Dave Brock, Huw Lloyd-Langton, Harvey Bainbridge, Alan Davey, Nik Turner, Danny Thompson, Keith Hayle, Ginger Baker This album & 12" EP set was recorded live at stonehenge, and once you get past the picture of Nik playing the sax in his white body suit, red mohawk, and weird face (and entire head) makeup, it's not too bad a recording! Overall it has a good mix, with clear vocals. Now that Hawkwind have left RCA, it seems that they are 'back to basics' with some a fine rock album, leaving the more experimental/electronic previous releases behind. The album opens with _Psy Power_, and a fairly fast paced version at that! This is probably my favourite live version of this track that I have heard, even with the relatively uninspired keyboard work which dominates this album. Next we are treated with the now famous "Technicians of Spaceship Hawkwind, This is your captain speaking ...." as _Levitation_ begins. At first it seems that they are holding something back, but overall a decent rendition. _Circles_ follows, complete with the spacecraft machinery sounds from the studio version, accompanied by suitably haunting guitar work. Then *POW* ... _Space Chase_, with the most dominant synth and 'Laser Gun' electronic effects so far. The keyboard work is a bit more inspired too! Side two begins with a fairly lame (compared to Hawklords Live) version of _Death Trap_. It's OK here, but is missing something. It has the longest intro I've heard to this track, and is perhaps a little too manic in some respects, and the vocals aren't forceful enough .... but it is still good stuff (I'm just tired). _Angels of Death_ is the most solid (in the 'wall of sound' respect) track on the album, with just the right amount of fuzz applied to the guitar. Finally, a reasonable rendition of _Shot Down in the Night_. Nowhere near as good as the one on 'Live 79', but still better than the studio version of Steve Swindells 'Fresh Blood' LP. The way the vocals are sung is much closer to the studio version though. Side three (we are up to the EP now) contains _Stonehenge Decoded_, a strange peice with bits of everything - sort of a psychedelic jam without the 'blanga'. Perhaps I don't have the correct combination of chemicals in my veins. It's quite good though, but not a track you'd play again and again. There are some Brock vocals in the middle somewhere, and some faint Bainvridge ramblings towards the end too. Side four is Nik's _Watching the Grass Grow_. *I* don't like this much at all, mainly due to Turner's vocal style and general craziness. "Post Future Reality", or is it mid-trip fantasy? The last track aside (which is worth having just so that you understand it all), this is a good album to have, as it shows another side to Hawkwind that you just don't hear on studio albums. It would have been a great gig to be at, though I may be starved for live entertainment for geographical reasons! If you see it, consider it by all means. Extra Bit: If you are lucky enough to find an original copy, have a look at the inscriptions in the vinyl around the label. For the less fortunate, side one says "Don't read this play it!", side two has "When you panic get Hawkwind", "Do you know the code" on side three, and on side four "Watching the grass smoke". Hmmm - a comment about Uncle Nik perhaps? Assassin Sonique' -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Jan 19 19:56:42 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:56:42 +0000 Subject: BOC: Radio Birdman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Jan 1996, Paul Ward wrote: Hmmmm ... I *really* should check my facts (and read the other replies) before responding to something that I know nothing about! Sorry for any confusion that I may have caused. Oh .... Andy: I'll be on my way to meet you at the pub when RB are playing, so us Aussies can whinge and moan! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jan 19 09:01:36 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:01:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: Internet Ripoff In-Reply-To: <960119081059_300635396@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "Rob Maerz" at Jan 19, 96 08:11:26 am Message-ID: Rob Maerz writes: > just wanted to pass this EMail that I received in case you get it...I saw > this company on NBC news and how they are getting sued because their product > just doesn't work...they claim that they have a multimedia program to can > help ya learn stuff... > RE: The Learning Machine Takes You Beyond Virtual Reality > http://fincon.com > > Amazing!! If you have a moment check out a new web site http://fincon.com > They have an incredible new multi-media technology that uses a special > digital headset that forces your mind to learn. It blew my mind!!! Kinda I remember a friend of mine getting a catalogue in junk mail that included big adverts for "The Learning Machine." Their claims for it are incredible! I have to admit, when I saw it I kind of laughed out loud. What they appear to sell is a range of highly expensive CDs which you listen to via a standard "discman" type portable CD player whilst wearing a crummy-looking headset. This "special digital headset" looked uncomfortably like a regular pair of headphones, together with a "futuristic-looking" visor attached that sported what appeared to be ordinary flashing LEDs. I think the basic idea behind it is that the flashing LEDs---in concert with the sound---are supposed to make your brain enter certain states in which it is more "open." I have heard of these kind of devices being popular in Japan, for purposes of relaxation and meditation. I have not heard of them being used in conjunction with "learning." Well, you know what they say about fools and their money... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Beatles, _Revolver_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Thu Jan 18 20:55:00 1996 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 20:55:00 -0500 Subject: Deb on Imaginos??? Message-ID: Hi kids: I pulled out Imaginos tonight and was doin' some heavy groovin' to it and something grabbed my attention that I had never noticed before! I was up the (as I like to call it) "weird spoken part" of In the presence of another world, y'know the "Milky way abyss inclines" and all that yada, and I noticed that one of the voices sounds quite a bit like Deb Frost, yet there is no listing of her on the credits. Can anyone (Albert? Deb?) tell me if this is in fact, the killer Frost herself? Inquiring Torgo's wanna know!! Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com BTW, I know everyone knows this, but Imaginos really REALLY is a great friggin' album! Ain't it? From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Jan 19 20:20:26 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 01:20:26 +0000 Subject: OFF: Internet Ripoff In-Reply-To: <9601191401.AA07192@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, Paul Mather wrote: > I think the basic idea behind it is that the flashing LEDs---in > concert with the sound---are supposed to make your brain enter certain > states in which it is more "open." I have heard of these kind of > devices being popular in Japan, for purposes of relaxation and > meditation. I have not heard of them being used in conjunction with > "learning." One of the last episodes of _Northern Exposure_ featured one of these headsets (or something similar). The DJ was using it during some daytime naps, and supposedly when using it could control his dreams. Funny thing was that these dreams where all about this woman (erotic of course), and also had Maggie in them (who he was seeing at the time). One day he *thought* he was dreaming when Maggie paid him a visit ...... Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Jan 19 09:28:31 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:28:31 -0500 Subject: New Live Chronicles video. Message-ID: >> featuring TONY CRERAR as "Elric" Is this the guy with the long blond hair who runs around weilding his sword? >FoFP M From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 19 09:27:03 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:27:03 EST Subject: Deb on Imaginos??? Message-ID: > Hi kids: > > I pulled out Imaginos tonight and was doin' some heavy groovin' to it > and something grabbed my attention that I had never noticed before! I > was up the (as I like to call it) "weird spoken part" of In the presence > of another world, y'know the "Milky way abyss inclines" and all that > yada, and I noticed that one of the voices sounds quite a bit like Deb > Frost, yet there is no listing of her on the credits. > > Can anyone (Albert? Deb?) tell me if this is in fact, the killer Frost > herself? Inquiring Torgo's wanna know!! > > > > Torgo > robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com > > BTW, I know everyone knows this, but Imaginos really REALLY is a great > friggin' album! Ain't it? Torgo, Nothin' but the truth there, man. It's pretty sad that such a record wasn't a huge hit. Although it did quite well out of the gate, it ultimately tanked. Too tough for the AOR radio types who expected more 'Burnin' for you?' theo From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Fri Jan 19 09:48:14 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:48:14 GMT Subject: HW:New Live Chronicles video. Message-ID: > > >> featuring TONY CRERAR as "Elric" > > Is this the guy with the long blond hair who runs around > weilding his sword? > > >FoFP > > M > thats Hawkmoon dude ! Elric's the red eyed fella :-) Neil. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 19 09:49:07 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:49:07 GMT Subject: New Live Chronicles video. In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:28:31 -0500 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > >> featuring TONY CRERAR as "Elric" > > Is this the guy with the long blond hair who runs around > weilding his sword? Yep. FoFP From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Jan 19 10:41:58 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:41:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Stonehenge/FLicknife In-Reply-To: <199601200029.AAA09994@aardvark.apana.org.au> from "Assassin Sonique" at Jan 19, 96 08:49:56 am Message-ID: Paul writes: > > Album Review: Hawkwind - "Stonehenge: This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic" > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If you are lucky enough to find an original copy, have a look at the > inscriptions in the vinyl around the label. For the less fortunate, > side one says "Don't read this play it!", side two has "When you panic > get Hawkwind", "Do you know the code" on side three, and on side four > "Watching the grass smoke". Hmmm - a comment about Uncle Nik perhaps? Yeah...I remember this as a staple Flicknife thing...always interesting comments on the giant 'black hole' near the centre. I distinctly remember 'A Porky Prime Cut' on several discs....whatever that might mean... Keith H. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Jan 19 11:07:01 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:07:01 -0500 Subject: HW: Review - Stonehenge (TiHW,DNP) Message-ID: >If you are lucky enough to find an original copy, have a look at the >inscriptions in the vinyl around the label. For the less fortunate, >side one says "Don't read this play it!", side two has "When you panic >get Hawkwind", "Do you know the code" on side three, and on side four >"Watching the grass smoke". Hmmm - a comment about Uncle Nik perhaps? This is the work of an almost legendary engineer known as "Porky" - his little tags turn up on various pressings, usually just saying "A Porky prime cut", but sometimes he was more imaginative, like here. I'm sure I've got several more examples in my collection, but I don't play the vinyl so much these days... - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Jan 19 11:07:02 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:07:02 -0500 Subject: BOC: Radio Birdman Message-ID: >Oh .... Andy: I'll be on my way to meet you at the pub when RB are >playing, so us Aussies can whinge and moan! Does this mean you're on for the Ramones, then? Anyone else up for it (Feb 3rd, Brixton)? - Andy From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 19 11:05:36 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:05:36 GMT Subject: Harlow 1974 Message-ID: This is mainly for Bernhard: The track you list as "Instrumental" on the Harlow 1974 tape is Web Weaver I believe. Another note: My tape for Stonehenge 1977 has the listing: Quark, Strangeness and Charm Master of the Universe Welcome to the Future Spirit of the Age Sonic Attack Robot High Rise Damnation Alley Uncle Sam's on Mars Whereas yours has the same tracks in a different order. Any guesses why that's happened? Also on the lists you sent me of which tracks at which gigs. If a gig isn't on the list, do I assume that the tracklist is as for the gig previos to it in the list? In other words does the list consist of each gig at which the playlist was changed? Cheers Mike From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Jan 19 11:01:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:01:00 EST Subject: HW: Spaced Comments Message-ID: FoFP>I finally got it converted from CD-I to PAL-VHS tape. [snip] "Utopia" is thankfully FoFP>"Arrival In Utopia" though and that and "Coded Languages" appear FoFP>complete. A clue on one of the non CD releases. I take it that "Utopia" is not one of the great songs and I didn't know it was different than "Arrival In Utopia". Thanks. Any comments vs. the previous video on sound quality, picture quality, overall desirability? Compare and contrast. Paul W> Throughout the rest of March he will be doing specials on the Paul W>five most frequently featured bands in his program: Bauhaus, Toyah, Paul W>Cabaret Voltaire, Eloy, and to finish off the month long celebration, Paul W>a three hour epic based on the history of the relatively unknown Paul W>space rock group, Hawkwind. I can barely find my HW stuff with all the Bauhaus, Toyah, Cabaret Voltaire, & Eloy CDs to shuffle past. Paul, Oz is certainly not Kansas (I figure you didn't write the column). Want to start a pirate short wave broadcast for a month? Also, thanks for the _Do not Panic Review_ , it reminded me of some questions I wanted to ask. I see this was recorded in 80 and 84. What is when? The LP from 80 and the EP from 84? I want to figure out who is playing, cuz Ginger isn't that distinctive on the drums. I like this version of "Shot down in the Night" better than the Live 79 version, primarily for the guitar work. Both are worth getting and this would be an interesting point in a codex rating (beat that horse to death). Somebody else posted that this version was several months ago and I silently agreed with him then. "Angels of Death" has a great ominous tone that no other version has and it fits the song well. This quiet power is how I'd envision an Angel of Death introducing itself. I'd vote this the best of the "Angels of Death" versions. I also like the old version on the _Collections_ CD a lot. I have a UK import vinyl of this, but not an original issue. No pictures or label notes. They seem to drop off the best parts. Thanks for filling me in. Maybe I'll write the label notes on my copy. I have the CD 2 and it has some art work and photos, but as seen in a crystal ball. Good for effect, but not for details. Rudy From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jan 19 11:32:57 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:32:57 -0500 Subject: HW: A Brainstorm (not the song) Message-ID: >If somebody wants to provide me copies of the released HW songs that aren't >on CD, I'd take on the task of rating them. It's a dirty job, but it has >got to be done. I'd even throw in the ratings for the CD songs (still >waiting for my Mighty Hawkwind Classics CD). Yes, if I can do some small >part in casting light on the darkness, that will be it's own reward. (I >rank up there with Pinky and the Brain for failed ploys) > >Rudy >A kollector Class C wannabe (or any class at all) > You should sink so low. I'll go lower. Anyone may call me at any time collect at 55.55.55.55, give me a second to set up, then play tracks I don't have for me over the phone, after which I will review them, and the release a bootleg CD entitled "Cellular Hawkwind" (it'll be on a cellular phone), made free to anyone who phoned in with anything (plus s&h). Andrew, A klassless Kollector. ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jan 19 11:33:07 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:33:07 -0500 Subject: Blood, Sweat & Tears Message-ID: This was posted on alt.music.blueoystercult. I echo the question, anyone know anything? >Message-ID: <4dgkkl$l1n at aurora.cs.athabascau.ca> >Does anyone know anything about this album that I see listed on the >CDEurope new releases list? Is it the new studio album? > >Blue Oyster Cult: Blood Sweat & Tears > ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 19 11:31:57 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:31:57 EST Subject: WotT review Message-ID: Check out this month's 'Guitar Shop' for a very favorable review of WotT. They give it 4 out of a possible 5 'guitars.' The review quotes one of his editors as saying: "'Cities on Flame' should be made America's national anthem." Amen to that. Also, on page 5 is a letter to the editor from yours truly! Either one making it worth the cover price! theo From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 19 11:38:19 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:38:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: Wall of Sleep? Message-ID: >>Has anyone on here heard of the UK band Wall of Sleep? They're on the "Bevis Frond" Woronzow label and the description I've read of them makes them sound like they might be pretty cool ....<< i have heard OF them but have not heard them.they were recommended to me by randall at rpm records,who sold me a lot of the reckless cd's,no longer available.i was a bit tight, so didn't order it.i'd like to hear another opinion about this group. rj From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Jan 19 11:46:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:46:00 EST Subject: Off: Internet Ripoff Ripped Message-ID: >I think the basic idea behind it is that the flashing LEDs---in >concert with the sound---are supposed to make your brain enter certain >states in which it is more "open." The device is supposed to induce the "Alpha" wave state in the mind (similar to meditation and hypnosis). Whether it does or not is beyond my knowledge. Like hypnosis, the mind is supposed to be more accepting of input. I made mention of state dependent learning here a while ago. If this did work, the new knowledge would be best used while in the alpha state (according to some studies on alpha state learning). So, if you learned a language this way, you'd have to wear the goggles to carry on a conversation. No free lunch I guess. Better to spend the money on a HW boot. Rudy From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 19 11:50:27 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:50:27 GMT Subject: HW: Spaced Comments In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:01:00 EST Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > FoFP>I finally got it converted from CD-I to PAL-VHS tape. [snip] "Utopia" > is thankfully > FoFP>"Arrival In Utopia" though and that and "Coded Languages" appear > FoFP>complete. > > A clue on one of the non CD releases. I take it that "Utopia" is not one of > the great songs and I didn't know it was different than "Arrival In Utopia". "Utopia" is the spoken chant that goes "All your needs are monitored, calculated, computer formulated...nobody has ever complained. Yet..." Originally this always appeared as a prelude to "Arrival In Utopia" that most excellent song. Then it acted as a prelude to "Social Alliance" the live version of which knocks spots off the one Brock released as the 7". In the end of course, Turner started wittering about "streets made of hamburgers and rivers running with Watneys Red Barrel" and the menacing atmosphere of the song was replaced by the kind of farce favoured by him at that time. Truly cringeworthy. > Thanks. Any comments vs. the previous video on sound quality, picture > quality, overall desirability? Compare and contrast. The quality the guy has done for me isn't bad, though I presume it'd be better playing the CD ona CD-I player. I like Moorcock doing Coded Languages so it is good to have for that. I'd have liked a decent version of Born To Go though. > Rudy FoFP From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Jan 19 11:57:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:57:00 EST Subject: Off: BOC-L Directory Stuff and 2 ?s Message-ID: Directory Update - I have entered Digest mode and cannot tell if the Directory or a couple of other posts have reached the list, I assume it has since Charlie is calling. Charlie I will attempt to e-mail you directly but something about my system appears to be hosed good. If any one notices any inaccurate information in the latest version of the digest please contact me directly (if you can). Two Quick comments - Can a dual subscriber (BOC-L/AOL) pose some of the MM questions to Bloom and repost the responses here? Mike Watt - Does anyone know or have the the album where Watt does a cover of "Maggot Brain", a Funkadelic song. Thx. AB (This is just a forwarding on my part - Rudy) From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Jan 19 12:23:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:23:00 EST Subject: HW: Utopia Revealed Message-ID: FoFP>"Utopia" is the spoken chant that goes "All your needs are monitored, FoFP>calculated, computer formulated...nobody has ever complained. Yet..." FoFP>Originally this always appeared as a prelude to "Arrival In Utopia" that FoFP>most excellent song. Damn, you're good. I got confused by the Reading 86 album which has "Utopia" on the label, but it is really "Arrival In Utopia" (I agree the song is great). Checked both the Codex and the Discography to verify. You might want to note the confusion somehow in the Codex. That document continues to prove its worth, but may need some cross references to help eliminate the confusion that others created. I wouldn't have thought to look under the As to find the version of Utopia that the stupid CD indicates. On the Reading 86 CD topic, it has to be one of the funniest liner notes going. They have Danny Thomas Jr. (son of the comic?) in the band and who plays what instrument all screwed up. It really casts doubts on some of the other stuff the guy talks about if he can't get this simple stuff right. The music on the CD is the best though. Rudy From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Jan 19 12:25:05 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr. Big Mike Light) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 17:25:05 +0000 Subject: HW: LP inscriptions. In-Reply-To: <960119110701_201103483@mail02.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, Andy Gilham wrote: > This is the work of an almost legendary engineer known as "Porky" - his > little tags turn up on various pressings, usually just saying "A Porky prime > cut", but sometimes he was more imaginative, like here. I'm sure I've got > several more examples in my collection, but I don't play the vinyl so much > these days... One message I recall, but not where it is from, is the rather surreal 'Lamb Shrewsbury anyone?' If my recollections are completely wrong then that is just too bad. Mike w From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Jan 19 12:59:20 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 18:59:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Review - Stonehenge (TiHW,DNP) Message-ID: Hi Paul >Album Review: Hawkwind - "Stonehenge: This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic" The LP was NOT only recorded at Stonehenge 1984. Here are the recording dates: SIDE A: London, Lewisham Odeon, 18.12.1980 SIDE B: London, Lewisham Odeon, 18.12.1980 SIDE C: Stonehenge, 21.06.1984 SIDE D: Stonehenge, 20.06.1984 Some tracks from the ZONES record are also from the LONDON 18.12.1980 gig, and from BRISTOL, 31.10.1982 Bernhard From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Jan 19 13:01:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 13:01:00 EST Subject: HW: Social Alliance Live? Message-ID: FoFP>Then it acted as a prelude to "Social Alliance" the FoFP>live version of which knocks spots off the one Brock released as the 7". I checked the Codex to see where this appeared to add to my priority list and the Codex has two versions, but neither noted as live. I take it #2, on _Zones_, for example, is the live one. I know _Zones_ is a mix of live and studio. I haven't gotten _Zones_ yet since I've seen some lukewarm comments about it. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 19 13:30:45 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 18:30:45 +0000 Subject: Deb on Imaginos??? In-Reply-To: <2F274F86CA0@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Jan 19, 96 09:27:03 am Message-ID: Re: Imaginos: > Nothin' but the truth there, man. It's pretty sad that such a record > wasn't a huge hit. Although it did quite well out of the gate, it > ultimately tanked. Too tough for the AOR radio types who expected > more 'Burnin' for you?' No way--this was at the same time that loud guitar music was drifting into the charts again: Guns & Roses, Metallica were just starting to get heard in the US. Say rather "no support from the the label" for a band that had been dossing around for years and suddenly had a record of "unknown origin". I've always maintained that _Imaginos_ would have been huge if there had been proper support and the band wasn't in space. I woulda picked "I am the One" as the first single, though. What a monster riff ... Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 19 13:36:26 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 18:36:26 +0000 Subject: BOC: Radio Birdman In-Reply-To: <960119110701_201103498@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jan 19, 96 11:07:02 am Message-ID: > >Oh .... Andy: I'll be on my way to meet you at the pub when RB are > >playing, so us Aussies can whinge and moan! > > Does this mean you're on for the Ramones, then? Anyone else up for it (Feb > 3rd, Brixton)? What! What's this? I may have missed Motorhead, but I definately don't want to miss the Ramones! This is their last tour, right? I'm in! What's the deal/plan? Cheers, Carl From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Jan 19 13:39:24 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:39:24 +0100 Subject: Harlow 1974 Message-ID: This is mainly for Mike >The track you list as "Instrumental" on the Harlow 1974 tape is Web >Weaver I believe. Sorry but there is no track called INSTRUMENTAL on my Harlow tape Here is the complete track listing: 10.08.74, HARLOW, PARK FESTIVAL, 70/8 standing at the edge I / warriors / it's so easy / ode to a time flower / jam / standing at the edge II / brainstorm / sonic attack / time we left / paranoia / awakening / watcher / orgone accumulator / seeing it as you really are >My tape for Stonehenge 1977 has the listing: > >Quark, Strangeness and Charm >Master of the Universe >Welcome to the Future >Spirit of the Age >Sonic Attack >Robot >High Rise >Damnation Alley >Uncle Sam's on Mars > > >Whereas yours has the same tracks in a different order. Any guesses why >that's happened? Oh yes: A real Stonehenge tape 1977 does not exist. All the STONEHENGE tapes which are on the market were compiled by 2 or 3 fans (included myself) from the WEIRD tapes and the Anthology records I believe. Here is my track listing (compiled by myself): 23.06.77, STONEHENGE FESTIVAL, 50/9 quark strangeness and charm / high rise / robot / spirit of the age / sonic attack / damnation alley / uncle sam's on mars / iron dream / master of the universe / welcome >Also on the lists you sent me of which tracks at which gigs. If a gig >isn't on the list, do I assume that the tracklist is as for the gig >previos to it in the list? In other words does the list consist of each >gig at which the playlist was changed? All the track listings are from gigs I have on tapes. I am not sure if the plyed the same set on the gigs I do not have on tape. But I believe it (maybe with a few changes in the encore). A problem are the early years because the band changed their set very often. Cheers Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 19 13:41:24 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 18:41:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Utopia Revealed In-Reply-To: <30FF491C@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Jan 19, 96 12:23:00 pm Message-ID: > On the Reading 86 CD topic, it has to be one of the funniest liner notes > going. They have Danny Thomas Jr. (son of the comic?) in the band and who > plays what instrument all screwed up. It really casts doubts on some of the > other stuff the guy talks about if he can't get this simple stuff right. No, it's worse than that--it's Danny *Thompson* Jr., son of reknowned British folk-jazz bassist Danny Thompson (Ex-Pentangle). Apparently dad used to make quips like: 'I hoped my son would be a musician, but instead he joined Hawkwind ....' ;) Cheers, Carl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 19 14:14:45 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:14:45 EST Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: > No way--this was at the same time that loud guitar music was > drifting into the charts again: Guns & Roses, Metallica were just starting > to get heard in the US. Say rather "no support from the the label" for > a band that had been dossing around for years and suddenly had a record > of "unknown origin". > I've always maintained that _Imaginos_ would have been huge if > there had been proper support and the band wasn't in space. I > woulda picked "I am the One" as the first single, though. What a monster > riff ... > > Cheers, > Carl Carl, Right you are. I saw BOC right after Imaginos' release, and they played in a local club--the same club I saw them at BEFORE the release of 'Club Ninja.' The only thing they played from 'Imaginos' was 'I Am the One...' Had they already accepted their fate as a nostalgia act, pandering to the 'greatest hits' mentality of old-time fans who hadn't kept pace? theo From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 19 14:17:05 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:17:05 GMT Subject: HW: Social Alliance Live? In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Fri, 19 Jan 1996 13:01:00 EST Message-ID: > FoFP>Then it acted as a prelude to "Social Alliance" the > FoFP>live version of which knocks spots off the one Brock released as the > 7". > > I checked the Codex to see where this appeared to add to my priority list > and the Codex has two versions, but neither noted as live. I take it #2, on > _Zones_, for example, is the live one. I know _Zones_ is a mix of live and > studio. I haven't gotten _Zones_ yet since I've seen some lukewarm > comments about it. If the Zones version is live then it's been so studio altered as not to rate a live listing in the Codex. Could someone confirm this? The double entry for Zones is because Zones and Do Not Panic shared a re-issue CD and both sets of tracks are therefore listed for this. It, however, remains the first Zones version - note that the numbers stay the same. Social Alliance 1 Social Alliance/ Raping Robots in the Street 7" 1 Independent Days, Vol. I 2 Zones 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD 2 Utopia 1984 2 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Anagram] As far as Utopia is concerned the listings are as follows: Arrival In Utopia 1 Choose Your Masques 1 Angels of Death 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Live At Reading '86 {Utopia} L 3 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 4 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Utopia 1 Choose Your Masques Utopia '84 L 1 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 2 Zones 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD 2 Utopia 1984 The spoken bit is in fact properly entitled "Utopia '84" (the Utopia on Choose Your Masques is just instrumental noise, if I recall correctly) However, yeah - I guess there should be a cross reference under Utopia to cover the mis-naming of the tracks, especially at Reading. Next time we're updating...... Probably after Lurve in Space is released I guess. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 19 14:40:00 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:40:00 +0000 Subject: Imaginos post mortem In-Reply-To: <2F740D04EAE@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Jan 19, 96 02:14:45 pm Message-ID: > Right you are. I saw BOC right after Imaginos' release, and they > played in a local club--the same club I saw them at BEFORE the > release of 'Club Ninja.' The only thing they played from 'Imaginos' > was 'I Am the One...' Had they already accepted their fate as a > nostalgia act, pandering to the 'greatest hits' mentality of old-time > fans who hadn't kept pace? Possibly, though I bet the fact that the then touring incarnation of BOC had little more than an incidental connection with _Imaginos_ as recorded ;) Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 19 14:58:12 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:58:12 -0500 Subject: Deb on Imaginos??? Message-ID: Yep, I think Carl has got it about right. The band was getting not much label support, and the band itself was in somewhat disarray. Not to mention that fan support of BOC had fallen off quite a bit by that time, with lots of people bailing after *Club Ninja*. Hell, alot had bailed before then since it had been over 2 years since the album prior to that. One can always dream what might've happened had the original line-up stayed together, and released *Imaginos* as a follow-up to *Fire of Unknown Origin*. But . . . we're 15 years down the road from that. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 19 15:04:16 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:04:16 EST Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: > > Right you are. I saw BOC right after Imaginos' release, and they > > played in a local club--the same club I saw them at BEFORE the > > release of 'Club Ninja.' The only thing they played from 'Imaginos' > > was 'I Am the One...' Had they already accepted their fate as a > > nostalgia act, pandering to the 'greatest hits' mentality of old-time > > fans who hadn't kept pace? > > Possibly, though I bet the fact that the then touring incarnation > of BOC had little more than an incidental connection with _Imaginos_ as > recorded ;) > > Cheers, > Carl Carl, True enough. I believe that incarnation may have only featured Eric and Buck from the 'real' BOC. I saw them in clubs 3 times over the span of about 3 or 4 years. Didn't Allen leave the band for awhile? Does anyone know when that was, and when he rejoined the group. Also, didn't Joe also leave, and then return for a brief while only to finally leave for once and for all? theo From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Jan 19 15:09:53 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:09:53 -0500 Subject: HW: LP inscriptions. Message-ID: Looking at some Flicknife releases: _Zones_: "Open the door to 1984 (perception) or heaven and hell as well ??" [this is *very* hard to read, and I think it's right, but the question marks are his, not mine!] "Zarozinia" (12") "To Jim - peace and love"/"To the fans thanks for your support" (as well as "A Porky prime cut" _F&R 3_: "Friends, relations and country cousins"/"It's all relative" I'm sure there's lots more to find... :) - Andy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Jan 19 15:26:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:26:00 EST Subject: HW: Live Social Alliance Message-ID: Methinks I made an error assuming Mike was talking about a live cut that was officially recorded. He may have been referring to shows he has seen and/or has on tape. I let my own conditions dictate my decisions too often. I keep thinking official stuff only. Rudy From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jan 19 16:45:50 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 22:45:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Review - Stonehenge (TiHW,DNP) Message-ID: had to go thru my vinyls, here's a few others: F&R I: live side: - the hawks flying high studio side: - flicknife, the sharp label Earthed to the Ground: side 1: - electrifying init side 2: - Agents of Chaos: side A: - where's our dosy Doug? - [dosy?] side B: - work now play later ICU / Puncadelic: side 1: - lick me... side 2: - U.C.I.? ICU / Presidents Tapes: side 1: - thanks to all our friends side 2: - chas and di go rind and rind with porky some 7 inches: LLG / Wind of Change: wind of change side: - lay off the beans outside the law side: - 2001 pigs in space R. Calvert / Lord of the Hornets: lord of the hornets side: - for Jill greenfly & the rose side: - for Jill 'n all Your Last Chance EP: hurry on sundown side: - collectors only moorcock / calvert side: - don't need your tape Bob. Who's Gonna Win the War?: who's gonna win side: - you never win in war. time of side: - the winner loses all... some 12 inches: Sonic Assassins: over the top side: - master of the universe part 2? death trap & free fall side: - the music murderers strike again Motorhead/Valium Ten: motorhead side: - I owe you two... [same note appears on the 7"] valium ten: - flicknife, the sharp label - a cut above the best. like the 2001 pigs in space - \\joe From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jan 19 17:01:31 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 17:01:31 -0500 Subject: 10th kingdom Message-ID: >> #8 - W.A.N. abolished, R.A.N. sets up operations. >> > >Who are the ran?? It was an excellent movie by Akira Kurosawa based on King Lear... oh. Royal Amtgard Navy, I think. Keeping the Burning Lands safe from Naval Attack and Vampires. Surely one or two are on the list, I would think.. ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Jan 20 00:46:22 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:46:22 -0500 Subject: Harlow 1974 Message-ID: On 19-JAN-1996 11:43:28.5 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >This is mainly for Bernhard: >The track you list as "Instrumental" on the Harlow 1974 tape is Web >Weaver I believe. >Another note: >My tape for Stonehenge 1977 has the listing: >Quark, Strangeness and Charm >Master of the Universe >Welcome to the Future >Spirit of the Age >Sonic Attack >Robot >High Rise >Damnation Alley >Uncle Sam's on Mars >Whereas yours has the same tracks in a different order. Any guesses why >that's happened? >Also on the lists you sent me of which tracks at which gigs. If a gig >isn't on the list, do I assume that the tracklist is as for the gig >previos to it in the list? In other words does the list consist of each >gig at which the playlist was changed? >Cheers >Mike "Web Weaver"?? Wow, I've got to hear this! I was hoping there was some alternate recording of this. For some odd reason, this is one of my top 5 favorite HW songs and I'd feared it was never played live. Bernhard...perhaps we could work out a deal for this Harlow '74 tape? Chuck "Shattered membranes of our lives hung suspended from the hives..." `[1;33;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Jan 20 00:46:37 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:46:37 -0500 Subject: HW: Spaced Comments Message-ID: On 19-JAN-1996 11:47:17.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >FoFP>I finally got it converted from CD-I to PAL-VHS tape. [snip] >"Utopia" is thankfully >FoFP>"Arrival In Utopia" though and that and "Coded Languages" appear >FoFP>complete. >A clue on one of the non CD releases. I take it that "Utopia" is not >one of the great songs and I didn't know it was different than >"Arrival In Utopia". Thanks. Any comments vs. the previous video on >sound quality, picture quality, overall desirability? Compare and >contrast. >Paul W> Throughout the rest of March he will be doing specials on the >Paul W>five most frequently featured bands in his program: Bauhaus, >Toyah, Paul W>Cabaret Voltaire, Eloy, and to finish off the month long >celebration, Paul W>a three hour epic based on the history of the >relatively unknown Paul W>space rock group, Hawkwind. >I can barely find my HW stuff with all the Bauhaus, Toyah, Cabaret >Voltaire, & Eloy CDs to shuffle past. Paul, Oz is certainly not >Kansas (I figure you didn't write the column). Want to start a pirate >short wave broadcast for a month? >Also, thanks for the _Do not Panic Review_ , it reminded me of some >questions I wanted to ask. I see this was recorded in 80 and 84. >What is when? The LP from 80 and the EP from 84? I want to figure >out who is playing, cuz Ginger isn't that distinctive on the drums. >I like this version of "Shot down in the Night" better than the Live 79 >version, primarily for the guitar work. Both are worth getting and this >would be an interesting point in a codex rating (beat that horse to >death). Somebody else posted that this version was several months ago >and I silently agreed with him then. "Angels of Death" has a great >ominous tone that no other version has and it fits the song well. >This quiet power is how I'd envision an Angel of Death introducing >itself. I'd vote this the best of the "Angels of Death" versions. I >also like the old version on the _Collections_ CD a lot. Funny you should mention that - The Collection version of "Angels Of Death", that is my absolute favorite HW performance (Though I think "Magnu" would have been a more appropriate title). It seems to be the heaviest and the most ominous. Seems underrated, too, though, and I guess The Collection is the only official release that it appears on... Chuck night..." `[1;36;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Jan 20 06:40:02 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 22:40:02 +1100 Subject: HW: Social Alliance Live? Message-ID: On 19 Jan 96 Rudich, Robert A wrote about HW: Social Alliance Live?: > studio. I haven't gotten _Zones_ yet since I've seen some lukewarm > comments about it. That's no way for a "Class C Kollektor wanna-be" to talk! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Jan 20 07:00:13 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 23:00:13 +1100 Subject: HW: Review - Stonehenge (TiHW,DNP) Message-ID: On 19 Jan 96 Bernhard Pospiech wrote about Re: HW: Review - Stonehenge (TiHW,D: > >Album Review: Hawkwind - "Stonehenge: This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic" > The LP was NOT only recorded at Stonehenge 1984. Oops! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Jan 20 07:01:57 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 23:01:57 +1100 Subject: HW: Review - Stonehenge (TiHW,DNP) Message-ID: On 19 Jan 96 Johan Edlundh wrote about Re: HW: Review - Stonehenge (TiHW,D: > had to go thru my vinyls, here's a few others: > Agents of Chaos: > side A: - where's our dosy Doug? - [dosy?] Isn't this 'dough' ? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Jan 20 06:35:19 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 22:35:19 +1100 Subject: Lytham St. Annes Message-ID: On 17 Jan 96 J Strobridge wrote about Lytham St. Annes: > Go to Blackpool. Face Australia. Travel about 5 miles along the > coast and that's Lytham St. Annes. Alternatively go to Preston. > Face America. Travel about 10 miles and stop when you reach the > sea 8-) Or, go to Australia, face Blackpool, go about 20,000 miles and that's Lytham St. Annes. :-) (btw - I have a copy of the video waiting for me in Leicester when I get there .......) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Jan 20 06:24:43 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 22:24:43 +1100 Subject: BOC: Radio Birdman Message-ID: On 19 Jan 96 Carl E. Anderson wrote about Re: BOC: Radio Birdman: > > >Oh .... Andy: I'll be on my way to meet you at the pub when RB are > > >playing, so us Aussies can whinge and moan! > > > > Does this mean you're on for the Ramones, then? Anyone else up for it (Feb > > 3rd, Brixton)? > > What! What's this? I may have missed Motorhead, but I definately > don't want to miss the Ramones! This is their last tour, right? > I'm in! What's the deal/plan? We meet a pub nearby for a Lager obviously! Which one Andy? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Jan 20 06:56:01 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 22:56:01 +1100 Subject: HW: Spaced Comments Message-ID: On 19 Jan 96 Rudich, Robert A wrote about HW: Spaced Comments: > Paul W> Throughout the rest of March he will be doing specials on the > Paul W>five most frequently featured bands in his program: Bauhaus, Toyah, > Paul W>Cabaret Voltaire, Eloy, and to finish off the month long celebration, > Paul W>a three hour epic based on the history of the relatively unknown > Paul W>space rock group, Hawkwind. > > I can barely find my HW stuff with all the Bauhaus, Toyah, Cabaret Voltaire, > & Eloy CDs to shuffle past. Paul, Oz is certainly not Kansas (I figure you > didn't write the column). Want to start a pirate short wave broadcast for a > month? I gave them notes, but they wrote it up. I can't remember, but I'm sure that I tried to make HW more prominent. Such is life. I did the radio program between 1984 and 1988, an dhad to give it up when I moved from the country to the city. It was on a Public FM station. No one on any station in the area played anything but 'Top 40', so I was pretty unique. I had to buy all the albums & stuff myself, usually by taking trips into the city (100 miles away). I featured HW regularly, and quite often played entire albums (in patches of 3 or 4 tracks). It was great fun! > I have a UK import vinyl of this, but not an original issue. No pictures or > label notes. They seem to drop off the best parts. Thanks for filling me > in. Maybe I'll write the label notes on my copy. There's also another inscription, something like 'A prime Rock cut' or some such (it's fairly hard to make out). Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sat Jan 20 07:51:22 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 07:51:22 -0500 Subject: HW: Porky prime cuts Message-ID: >Agents of Chaos: >side A: - where's our dosy Doug? - [dosy?] >side B: - work now play later "Dosh" - slang for "money"... OK, some more: ICU - "Blood & Bone": But do you see me?/Hello Barney ICU - "Paradise Beach": Who's for Desert Island Disc? ICU - _Pass Out_: Seven C.P.S. Recipe/Jerichonians know what I mean ICU - _The Maximum Effect_: Yow! ICU - _Newanatomy_: Cutta Walla Michael Moorcock - "Brothel in Rosenstrasse": Flicknife stabs you in the ear/Special Edition 1982 Michael Moorcock - "Dodgem Dude": Thanks Michael Underground Zero - "Seven Light Years": Thanks Mum [!] I'm not sure all those were Porky (though most definitely were), but these are clearly a different guy getting up to the same trick on some Mick Farren records: Mick Farren - _Vampires Stole My Lunch Money_: Cough it up/No I'm not! Mick Farren - "Broken Statue": Please save baby Herbie Mick Farren and the Deviants - "Screwed Up ep": Gabba gabba maybe/Is Lew Lewis a none going situation The Deviants - _Human Garbage_: No more goats/Buttfuck the peckerheads [!] - Andy From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Sat Jan 20 08:05:41 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 08:05:41 EST Subject: No subject Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 20/01/96 13.04 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Hi, As a new subscriber this is my first msg, so apologies if I somehow screw things up for anybody. Anyway, I've noticed all this discussion about Web Weaver on Harlow 74. Maybe it's been discussed before my time BUT can anybody please justify to me why this tape is listed as HARLOW 74 as opposed to WINDSOR: HOME PARKS ART FEATIVAL 23.9.73? Jes. From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Jan 20 09:17:01 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 15:17:01 +0100 Subject: Welcome Jeremy Message-ID: Hello Jeremy! Welcome to the LIST !!! Bernhard From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sat Jan 20 09:14:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 09:14:00 -0500 Subject: Final Tape Tree listing Message-ID: Official tape Tree Listing Here is a description of the show: Angels of Death Band- 25 years On... Fantasy Theatre, Cleveland Ohio 12/31/95 Steve Taylor- Guitar, Vocals * Tom Marianetti- Drums@ Unknown-Drums * Mark Marianetti- Vocals/Poems @ Unknown- Bass * Unknown- Acoustic Guitar, Vocals * Unknown- Guitar, Vocals * Greg Kozlowski- Guitar and Effects # Unknown- Sax and FLutes * Paul- Synthesizers @ Steve Hayes- Synthesizers * Doug Walker- Synthesizers, Effects, Electronic Reeds and Flutes + *Member of Steve Taylor Unit #Member of Arc Met + Member of Alien Planetscapes @ Member of Marianetti Band Track list Standing on the Edge Down thru the Night Black Corridor Space is Deep Master of the Universe Spirit of the Age Robot Drug Cabinet Key Demented Man Heads We took the wrong steps years ago ? Jam Uncle Sams on Mars Sonic Attack The Watcher The Dream is over????? Full show is about 115 min long. The filler is F/i with Doug Walker on additional synths. I will make copies for Chuck, Keith, Alan, Mike and Paul. Please send your blank tapes to: Dr. Scott Heller 116 Perkins St:apt3 Somerville, MA 02145-3351 All those listed under the above mentioned folk, please contact them about sending information. Remember, send blank tapes, return postage (either stamps or money, stamps preferred then they can just drop them in the mail and nothave to go to the post office), and mailing label. This saves everyone time. I will get the copies out as soon as I receive the blanks!! I hope everyone enjoys this! Chuck Johnson- cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com Andrew Apold- mordru at magg.net Gary Wingert- gary at z-code.com Mike Fuller- mfuller at cisco.com Keith Henderson- khenders at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Allan T. Grohe- iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Duane Hoyt- aa5287 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu Rob Miller- robm376 at aol.com Alan Seibert- ALANSEIBERT at delphi.com Steve Swann- swann at panix.com Mike Psyche- mccolmp at mail.auburn.edu Doug Bates- ists018 at uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu Mike Holmes- fofp at castle.ed.ac.uk Jill Strobridge Andrew Wilson- a.wilson at derby.ac.uk Paul Ward (please send me some mail so we can work out extra blanks or sending money to pay for the postage!) Scott hellers at a1.mgh.harvard.edu ObCassette: Nik Turner- Jonkoping 12/16/95 P.S. Anyone who has now decided they want a copy. It is too late from this inital batch, but you should contact anyone of the people on listed above who will be receiving a copy, but are not making copies. there are a few that can't make copies, but most had the ability but where not chosen. make copies, but most had the ability but where not chosen. From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Jan 20 12:16:52 1996 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (joel wendrow) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 09:16:52 -0800 Subject: new to list Message-ID: You wrote: > >--- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 20/01/96 13.04 > -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET > > Hi, > As a new subscriber this is my first msg, so apologies if I > somehow screw things up for anybody. > Hi, I too am new to list. I am a very big fan of BOC. I have seen them about 12 times over the past 20 years (wow do I feel old). I just picked up a CD by Clint Ruin and Lydia Lunch that features a cover of Don't Fear the Reaper. Pretty cool cover art and not a terrible redition of the song. there are three other songs on the CD on a cover of the Beatles Why Don't We Do It In the Road. Well keep up the good work and I'll see you all at the Four Winds Bar. Joel From delacour at UNM.EDU Sat Jan 20 14:24:38 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 12:24:38 -0700 Subject: BOC: Question, Live Bootleg EP In-Reply-To: <960117154908_119481313@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Jan 1996 Rocker22 at AOL.COM wrote: > I found a copy of Live Bootleg on CD in a store in Denver one year ago. Cost > over a buck a minute... > > As I recall, it was an import from France. I don't think this store carried > boots, so I'm assuming it wasn't a boot. > > R. > R22- Thanks for the info. Finally found the disc from a store in Rochester, NY. How have you been? We're doing fine. Regards, Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Sat Jan 20 14:26:38 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 12:26:38 -0700 Subject: BOC: Question, Live Bootleg EP In-Reply-To: <960117233250_70762.141_CHK54-1@CompuServe.COM> Message-ID: Thanks to all for helping me find this one last piece to my BOC CD collection. I appreciate your interest. Regards, Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Sat Jan 20 14:51:20 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 12:51:20 -0700 Subject: BOC GODZILLA; Bootleg or Best Of... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: BOC-L - Thanks to all for helping me find the Live Bootleg CD. A record store in Rochester, NY had it. Set me back 30 pesos, but what the h@!!. While I was browsing thru their list, I noticed yet ANOTHER CD which I have never heard of. It reads as follows......... Blue Oyster Cult; Godzilla GER 30 (dollars). Is this GODZILLA CD a bootleg, a best of, or what? Is it worth getting for another 30 big ones? All I know is that it was (is) a German re- lease. Thank you. Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sat Jan 20 15:00:04 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 20:00:04 GMT Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: Jeremy Dacombe's message of Sat, 20 Jan 1996 08:05:41 EST Message-ID: > Anyway, I've noticed all this discussion about Web Weaver on > Harlow 74. > Maybe it's been discussed before my time BUT can anybody > please justify to me why this tape is listed as HARLOW 74 as > opposed to WINDSOR: HOME PARKS ART FEATIVAL 23.9.73? > Jes. Yeah - there was a long discussion (did anyone keep it?) about this which centered around the fact that (I think this is right) the Windsor and Harlow tapes are the same and were mis-attributed at some stage. The discussion revolved around the fact that (1) there were several powercuts at one of the venues which may or may not be evident on the tapes (2) Mike Moorcock only did the "Warriors We Need You" chant at one of the venues - it's mentioned in one of the Hawkwind history books and this may or may not be evident on the tapes and (3) at one of the suggested venue dates Moorcock (on his own admission) was so out of it (I think that was the one with the story of Nik Turner in a frog-suit rushing late onto the stage and skidding off the end) that the tape concerned couldn't possibly be a recording from that venue. I also thought that Harlow 73 came into the discussion somewhere down the line but that's probably just confusing the issue! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sat Jan 20 15:04:34 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 20:04:34 GMT Subject: Chaos tour video Message-ID: I've been in contact with someone at Vionary who confirms that they have produced an NTSC version of the video. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sat Jan 20 15:08:42 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 20:08:42 GMT Subject: HW: Live Social Alliance In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:26:00 EST Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > Methinks I made an error assuming Mike was talking about a live cut that was > officially recorded. He may have been referring to shows he has seen and/or > has on tape. I let my own conditions dictate my decisions too often. I > keep thinking official stuff only. Yeah, it's the tapes from the '82 tour I had in mind. THe official Edinburgh Playhouse video from that tur has a good version of Social Alliance on it. The quality of the picture is very poor though. > Rudy FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sat Jan 20 15:13:41 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 20:13:41 GMT Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: Jeremy Dacombe's message of Sat, 20 Jan 1996 08:05:41 EST Message-ID: Jeremy Dacombe writes: > --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 20/01/96 13.04 > -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET > > Hi, > As a new subscriber this is my first msg, so apologies if I > somehow screw things up for anybody. > Anyway, I've noticed all this discussion about Web Weaver on > Harlow 74. > Maybe it's been discussed before my time BUT can anybody > please justify to me why this tape is listed as HARLOW 74 as > opposed to WINDSOR: HOME PARKS ART FEATIVAL 23.9.73? This has been a long agument between tape collectors for years. From what I remember about the settlement of the argment on this list, there were details furnished by Mike Moorcock which eliminated one 1973 gig and details from a fan about a power cut that eliminated the other (Harlow and Windsor or vice versa). Bernhard, who is the Keeper of Tracklists, also pointed out that the tracks played fit in with what was plaed in 1974. So, since they are known to have played Harlow in 1974.. Over to Bernhard for the specifics of the debate... > Jes. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sat Jan 20 15:23:21 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 20:23:21 GMT Subject: Harlow 1974 In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:39:24 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > This is mainly for Mike > > >The track you list as "Instrumental" on the Harlow 1974 tape is Web > >Weaver I believe. > > Sorry but there is no track called INSTRUMENTAL on my Harlow tape I must have an out of date tracklist from you. > Here is the complete track listing: > > 10.08.74, HARLOW, PARK FESTIVAL, 70/8 > standing at the edge I / warriors / it's so easy / ode to a time flower / > jam / standing at the edge II / brainstorm / sonic attack / time we left / > paranoia / awakening / watcher / orgone accumulator / seeing it as you > really are OK, I'm reasonably sure that the early part of the jam after Ode To A Time Flower is an early version of WEb Weaver without any lyrics. Let me know what you think. FoFP From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Jan 20 16:13:04 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 22:13:04 +0100 Subject: HW: non CD Tracks - the ratings Message-ID: >\\joe, this is exactly the type of thing this class B collector has been >figuring out in a less formal manner. My initial goal is to get all the >recorded songs and then.... My question to the higher level collectors is >what is really good among these songs and what is just good. I've not >heard any of them. Is the "Utopia" you have listed the same song as the >live one on Friday Rock Sessions Reading 86? No, that is "Arrival in Utopia". "Utopia" is the epilogue to "Arrival..." - just synths from Utopia, plus the never ending line of "...if you wanna get in to it, you gotta get out of it..." That's worth getting if it is. the _Choose Your Masques_ album is sure worth getting... > >Rudy yes, I found another track that's not either on CD or in the Codex - "Hawkfan 12" - the replacement for "Countdown" on the _Hawkfan 12_ cassette. ...and I've also disqualified the "Virgin of the World" track - see below. ( + another correction to the Codex and the Discography: "Iron Dream" is at the end on "Uncle Sam's on Mars" on the Weird 103 & related boots) The IMHO rating of Hawkjoe: (today I was bootstrapped in "RockTrack Mode") hawkfan 12 - Hawkfan 12 * just a few Brock words, a short synth gig introduction, added with Brian Tawns voice "Hello, welcome to the Hawkfan 12..." only from the weird tapes (and related boot): weird 103 - Slap it on de Table * just a silent freak out, not a proper track. Compare this to the "Blow on the Jug" sequence on the end of Black Sabbath's _Sabotage_ (vinyl only). You're making noises (and having a great moment) and someone's putting it on tape without your knowledge. weird 105 - Where are they Now? *** an embryonic tune for PXR5. promising, but Where is it Now? weird 106 - Make What You Can **** cool ordinary hawkwind rocka rolla track! weird 107 - Bombed Out *** rocky instrumental, nice guitar work weird 107 - First Landing on Medusa ** poetry track, lyrics spoken while k'bds fills the atmosphere weird 107 - Space Travellers ** poetry track, spacey synth sound combined with a hizzy distorted voice weird 107 - Touchdown ** k'bd based instrumental weird 108 - Down on Her Knees * ordinary main stream rock track, almost boring in HW hands weird 108 - Etchanatae * flute? rythm. k'bd. voices? weird tape filler? Nah... weird 108 - Live and Let Live *** spacey '73 track with "Ghost Dance" rythm section. Fuzzy guitar riffs around. Vocals far away sometimes, down in the mud sometimes. Confusing, but nice tune. from the RCA albums: sonic attack - Disintegration ** short & distorted synth piece sonic attack - Virgin Of The World disqualified - shouldn't this track be under the same file as the _Church of Hawkwind_ "Experiment with Destiny (Virgin of the World)"? It's *very* close related - the same k'bd riff, partly the same lyrics (although the CoH is instrumental!), the same name, the same writer - Bainbridge (although Brock seems to have written the last 15 seconds of the CoH version)... And Church of Hawkwind is out on CD... sonic attack - Living On A Knife Edge **** Rock track. Like it. "Future generation's are relying of us..." sonic attack - Lost Chances *** medium HW rock track sonic attack - Streets of Fear ***** Rock track. Fuzzy, riffy guitars. Rythmic thing that forces you to move. choose your masques - The Scan * Bainbridge scans his keyboard, but don't find what he's seeking for; screams out in despair... ;0) choose your masques - Fahrenheit 451 *** rock and roll track - (hmm, somehow it makes me think of "Silver Machine", this Brock/Calvert track...) choose your masques - Utopia * the epilogue to "Arrival..." - just synths from Utopia, plus the never ending line of "...if you wanna get in to it, you gotta get out of it..." choose your masques - Void City *** decrease your weight with Hawkwind Light - synth based breakfast during "the morning after" for the common HawkFan Brock solo efforts: agents of chaos - Into the Realms *** slow but intensive track. lots of noises, lots of voices. agents of chaos - Mountain in the Sky *** laid back instrumental. (is it really congas..? :0) social alliance 7" - Raping Robots in the Street **** a wall of heavy guitar riffs, distorted synths, haunted bass & a hard driving drum machine, added with the usual effects and weird lyrics. close to five stars! friends and relations vol 3 - When the Going Gets Tough **** heavy k'bds reproduce its pattern over fuzzy guitar and drum machine. Single b/w's: who's gonna win... 7" - Time of? **** - cool instrumental in the spirit of "Valium Ten". Heavy... eh, everything - no mercy. HawkJam at its best! angel's of death 7" - Trans Dimensional Man *** outtake of the _Sonic Attack_. Average HW rock track. disclaimer: It is against all the natural laws in space that Hawkwind can produce "bad tracks". The stars is just a "meter" to compare one HW track to another. Please add five stars to each track when comparing the tracks to other artists on a five star scale. Add yet another five stars when you're using your Yuri Gagarin Scale. Do Not Panic. \\joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Jan 20 16:13:08 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 22:13:08 +0100 Subject: HW. Entropy tango. Message-ID: >Hi Hawkfans ! > >This is Henrik from Sweden with a question about the poem >"Antropy/ Entropy tango" which was read during the Nikwind set >in Jonkoping 16/12. >I read a short notice about it in Crohinga well #6 and it said the >following; >When Dave Brock disbanded Hawkwind after the American tour of >1978 Adrian Shaw teamed up with Pete Pavli and Michael Moorcock >to perform "Entropy tango" at Nik Turner's Bohemian Love-in of June 18th. > >Anyone who knows anything more about the poem etc. here's a late reply: Listen to the track by Michael Moorcock's Deep Fix & Brian Tawn on the _Hawkfan 12_ album. It is entitled "The Tale of the Entropy Tango". Sometime's the answear is closer than you expect... cheers - \\joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Jan 20 16:45:35 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 22:45:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Spaced Comments Message-ID: > >death). Somebody else posted that this version was several months ago > >and I silently agreed with him then. "Angels of Death" has a great > >ominous tone that no other version has and it fits the song well. > >This quiet power is how I'd envision an Angel of Death introducing > >itself. I'd vote this the best of the "Angels of Death" versions. I > >also like the old version on the _Collections_ CD a lot. > >Funny you should mention that - The Collection version of "Angels Of Death", >that is my absolute favorite HW performance (Though I think "Magnu" would >have been a more appropriate title). It seems to be the heaviest and >the most ominous. Seems underrated, too, though, and I guess The Collection >is the only official release that it appears on... > >Chuck >night..." chuck, you haven't read your Codex! *only* official release, besides eleven others... (or is the _Collection_ more official than one of its parents, the _Anthology II_?) ok, you're excused - it seems to be late over there ;0) \\joe\the_watcher ======================== Angels Of Death L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock {Angels of Life} L 1 British Tribal Music L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II L 1 Acid Daze Vol. II L 1 The Hawkwind Collection L 1 Ironstrike L 1 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] L 1 Night Riding L 1 Silver Machine Live 12" EP L 1 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 1 Best of Hawkwind L 1 Space Is Deep From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Jan 21 04:08:44 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 10:08:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Harlow 74 Message-ID: Hi there >Over to Bernhard for the specifics of the debate... To bring some CHAOS into this diskussion here are some facts: - I have dated this tape: Harlow, 10.August 1974 - Mike Moorcock told me via Rob Godwin that he did only ONE time WE NEED YOU as part of the odes. And this was 1974 - This is NOT true! I have a tape from Southampton (25.07.1973) ) and he did it again (implemented in one of the odes) - MM said that he was 1973 (WINDSOR) to stoned to perform this track - In my oppinion the track list fits better into the 1973 era - THE GOLDEN VOID book from Alan Ashley says: MM performed WE NEED YOU in 1974 - I am still confused though I use the 1974 date Here are some typical track listings for the 1973 / 1974 period: 10.03.73, DUBLIN, NATIONAL STADIUM, 100/6 final countdown / technicians of spaceship earth / born to go / down through the night / awakening / lord of light / black corridor / space is deep / orgone accumulator / upside down / ten seconds of forever / brainstorm / seven by seven / sonic attack / time we left / watcher / master of the universe / welcome / you shouldn't do that / silver machine 25.07.73, SOUTHAMPTON, TOP RANK, 100/7 gaga / eternal champion / born to go / down through the night / it's so easy / brainbox pollution / black corridor / space is deep / watcher / warriors / brainstorm / seven by seven / sonic attack / time we left / master of the universe / standing at the edge / urban guerilla / seeing it as you really are 25.11.73, NEW YORK, ACADEMY OF MUSIC, 100/7 coming of hawkwind / technicians of spaceship earth / born to go / down through the night / awakening / it's so easy / only dreaming / brainstorm / seven by seven / watcher / sonic attack / time we left / d-rider / master of the universe / welcome / silver machine / seeing it as you really are 04.02.74, DUBLIN, NATIONAL STADIUM, 95/6 intro / standing at the edge / brainbox pollution / it's so easy / only dreaming / warrior at the end of time / brainstorm / seven by seven / watcher / awakening / paradox / you'd better believe it / d-rider / sonic attack / master of the universe / welcome / orgone accumulator / you shouldn't do that 05.04.74, PHILADELPHIA, TOWER THEATRE, 90/7 intro / standing at the edge / lord of light / psychedelic warlords / wind of change / warriors / brainstorm / seven by seven / watcher / awakening / paradox / you'd better believe it / d-rider / sonic attack / master of the universe / welcome 10.08.74, HARLOW, PARK FESTIVAL, 70/8 standing at the edge I / warriors / it's so easy / ode to a time flower / jam / standing at the edge II / brainstorm / sonic attack / time we left / paranoia / awakening / watcher / orgone accumulator / seeing it as you really are Who has new arguments to bring some new light into this chaotic discussion? Cheers Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Jan 21 04:08:47 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 10:08:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Harlow 1974 Message-ID: Hello there >OK, I'm reasonably sure that the early part of the jam after Ode To A >Time Flower is an early version of WEb Weaver without any lyrics. Let me >know what you think. I have compared the WEB WEAVER track from the CD and the beginning of the JAM session and I must say that the basic rhythm seems to be similar but I wouldn't call this part of the jam WEB WEAVER Cheers Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Jan 21 04:38:25 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 10:38:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Looking for stuff Message-ID: Hello folks I am still looking for the following items: - PALACE SPRINGS (vinyl record) - STASIS (vinyl record) - HAWKFAN 12 (record) - HAWKFAN 1 - 3 (magazines) - 25 Years (12" vinyl) grey and/or black - MIND JOURNEY (bootleg record) ............. does it really exist? I someone is interested to sell or to swap please e-mail me I have got 540 HAWKWIND tapes and about 30 HAWKWIND videos to swap Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Jan 21 04:38:26 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 10:38:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour programms Message-ID: Hi there I have got the following (original) tour programms: - space ritual tour 1972 - winter tour 1974/1975 (only b/w but I will have the original very soon) - astounding tour 1976 (only b/w but I will have the original very soon) - hawklords tour 1978 - december 1979 tour - levitation tour 1980 - sonic attac tour 1981 (only b/w but I will have the original very soon) - choose your masques tour 1982 - monmore festival 1982 - earth ritual tour 1984 - live chronicals tour 1985 - april 1988 tour But I am looking for more stuff. If someone has ORIGINAL tourprogramms which are not on my list and wants to swap or sell, please e-mail me. Cheers Bernhard From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Sun Jan 21 13:43:58 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:43:58 EST Subject: Nikwind-review. Message-ID: Hi folks ! This is Henrik from Sweden with the long-awaited review from the Space-ritual concert at Eldslandet in Jonkoping 16/12-95. There are probably some typing-errors etc. in it but I hope you like it anyway. From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Sun Jan 21 13:44:06 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:44:06 EST Subject: Nikwind-review. Message-ID: Review from Eldslandet 16/12-95, at last ! This is the review I've promised to do for some time but due to circumstances at work I haven't been able to do it before unfortunately. The review is made by Henrik Hallgren, diehard spacerock-fan from the north of Sweden. I live in Sundsvall, a town with about 96000 citizens. My intention with the review is to mediate my view about the "Space ritual" show at Eldslandet in Jonkoping, Sweden 16/12-95. Bands included was DarXtar from Sweden (a heavy spacerock group) and Nik Turner (cool guy). It is written in a very uncritical way since I love spacerock and that can perhaps annoy some people but that is something I can live with. It can also be an advantage to write these kind of reviews ourselves, that way we can avoid reading about spacerock from people that doesn't like it at all (very common). Eldslandet in central Jonkoping was originally a foundry years ago, but it's now a place for people into dance, art, music and craft of various kind. I suppose that we can call it a multi-activity centre. Here is a presentation of musicians involved: Nik turner ( I think we know him quite well). DarXtar is: Commander Soren - guitar, vocals / Darklord Soren - keyboards including a Hammond-organ / Patrik Danielsson - drums / Marcus Pehrsson - bass, vocals / Bjorn Jacobson - guitar, vocals and finally Fredrik Sundqvist - violin. Special guest on the Nikwind-set is Kenneth Magnusson from The Moor on mellotron. Nik will also be playing on The moor's next CD. This is the first time I see DarXtar live so I was expecting much from it. I've met the boys before of course. It was at the Hawkwind-gig in Stockholm 1994 at Gino's. I also have all their records so know their songs rather well. The DarXtar-concert starts like most of the spacerock-concerts does with a dark stage and sounds from outer space. After a few seconds we hear heavy guitars that leads us into the first track "Stars". Sounds great from the beginning, and in the background the Hammond can be heard, very unusual nowadays. The sound is heavy and they boys are skilled musicians so what more can we expect ? The sound and the computerized lightshow is also very good and it will stay that way throughout the whole evening. Next track is a poem "Seven zones" which is read by Commander Soren while the rest of the band is providing appropriate noices that reminds us of space. The poem leads us into on of the best tracks in this genre - "UFO". The music reminds me a lot of 70's keyboard-oriented heavy rock. It's almost like a time-travel back in time to early 70's. Fredrik is doing a very good job with his violin during this track ( a Swedish Eddie Jobson or Simon House ? ). The tempo is slowing down a bit and now we can hear "Dark daze", a slower track with interesting lyrics, I'm impressed by the wall of sound, something you expect to hear from supergroups and not from small groups in Scandinavia. Suddenly a new track begins, very prog-like a'la ELP with a heavy Hammond doing much of the work. Some very tasty guitar-playing is added to the sound. This is the perfect crossing between space and progrock, more of that please ! After a few minutes it's over and the Commander reads another poem called "7" which leads us into next track also called "7" !?! A heavy track with influences from old Deep Purple and Rainbow. Once again a crossing between music-styles and once again it sounds perfect, perhaps this is the new wave of spacerock ? I'm overwhelmed and is going to be that for the rest of the evening. Next in line is "Eastern wind", the longest track in the set with plenty of great guitarplaying that gives me a special feeling, back to the 70's again ? The track have a strong eastern touch, done better than Ozric's although they also are a great band. Bjorn and the Commander does a marvellous job with their guitars. "Breath messages" takes over with a calm beginning but the speed is soon increasing and we can hear a song that bears the trademark of classic DarXtar added with a touch of progrock. This is another fine example of what skillful musicians can do, every instrument play an important role, an orgy of sound. If the songs on the new album sound half as good as this it will be an essential buy this year (should be out February-96). Unfortunately time for the last track, another classic DarXtar song "Eternal war" and a return to pure spacerock. The boys does a great job once again, mixing Hawkwind influences with their own brand of spacerock, without sounding like HW-clones. My personal opinion is that they got a very special sound, unique nowadays. They mix the rich sound of forgotten times with modern technology, not that usual today when many groups are trapped in hi-tech. It definitely sounds like they boys know what they want and not trying to sell out to gain commercial success - music is more important than money. Well, the first half of the evening is over and time for some rest and a few bears. I'm sitting down and talking with Joe about the gig, and both of us are more than satisfied. After about thirty minutes it's time for us to see Nikwind (Nik Turner & DarXtar plus special guest Kenneth Magnusson from The Moor, great band from falkoping). I've never seen Nik before so it will be great to see him, although I've met him several times this evening and talked a lot with him about various things together with Joe. The concert starts as the most of the Nikshows does with "Ghost dance". DarXtar dressed in "space-costumes" starts to play on a dark stage without Nik and suddenly an Austronaut/Alien appears from behind and is moving to the front of the stage dressed in white with a helmet and two lazerguns that he is using, seems dangerous, or are they not real ones? Strong opening indeed ! Nik takes off his helmet and starts to "sing" and moving around for a few minutes. By this time the musicians should be warmed up by this "aerobic" track. They move gently over to the classic HW-track "...do that" and it got much of the "Space ritual" sound added with "Business trip" weight. Nik is playing his sax more beautiful than I've heard before. This version is the next best in my opinion, number one is still the one from "Business trip". It's a 16 minutes full length version with Nik acting like a robot with his very special way of dancing. Next in line is another classic track "...dreaming". This time Nik plays flute and Fredrik plays the violin, and it's a romantic version a'la PFM from the mid 70's. The music stops and only the keyboards are playing the intro to "Kadu flyer", with all the light on Nik who starts to sing the fantastic lyrics, meanwhile the rest of the band starts to play their parts and this is the best version I've heard so far. In this track Kenneth and Darklord Soren plays an important role together with Nik. The violin and Nik's flute is soon added and once again it reminds me a lot of PFM (Italian progrock-group). The track ends and new noices is heard from the band while Nik is reading a poem called "Great sun jester", and the instrument that is in the foreground is the drums played by Patrik, sounding very much like tribal-drums. It finally merges into "Space is deep" another HW-classic and a guitar starts with tasty playing with Nik singing and acting like a robot. Then suddenly from behind enters a black princess and starts to dance with Uncle Nik, meanwhile she's putting a crown on his head. The dance she's performing looks great and it certainly looks like she is trying to seduce our hero. This is great rock-opera with a dance that fits very well into the show. After a while Nik stop singing and is continuing to dance with the princess for a moment. A space-violin is playng during their cosmic dance. After a while the princess disappears and the crowd is shouting after more, and why not ? Heavy drums starts to play and guitars is coming in shortly after and we can hear another classic track "Dying seas", sounding very much like the original from 1975 (Warriors on the edge of time). The Commander and Bjorn does a great job on guitars throughout the track. End of the track and the start of another live-favorite "High rise" with great guitars again added with violin. The Commander does the vocal-part this time and he's doing it well, and it's played in a slower tempo than I'm used to but it's still a very good version. The music fades and new cosmic noices is heard while Nik reads the poem "Sonic attack" into the mic inside his sax (as Joe says - audience cannot escape the fear in his eyes), and in the background we can hear Kenneth playing his mellotron (very beautiful). At the end of this track smoke is filling the stage and the band starts to play "Brainstorm" with heavy guitars in the foreground. Suddenly the princess is entering the stage performing a very good dance that I've never seen before. The track is played very close to the original added with excellent guitar-playing, must be another top-version with Nik sitting down and playing his sax and the princess dancing around him. By now the audience is really wild when the chainsaw-guitars is warming up again and leads us into one of my favorite-tracks "D-rider", Nik is playing his flute again (he's really good you know). I get the same feeling now as I got 22 years ago when I heard the track for the first time, and " Hall of the mountain grill" was the first album I bought by Hawkwind actually. The flute leads us from "D-rider" into an old ICU-track called "Wild hunt" and that is also a very good one, reminds me a lot of Ian Anderson when he's playing "Bouree". The princess is also back and this time she's, dressed like a large butterfly with huge wings (the good-looking girl must be very talented). Wild applauce from the audience as usual and "Seven by seven " which Nik is opening by playing flute starts and the princess is still dancing another beautiful dance. I hope she's included in the set if Nik & DarXtar does a tour this summer. Once again the music stops and the guitars starts to play "Masters of the universe", as usual it's a favorite of mine (aren't they all ?). This is also a close to the original-version with a 90's touch, but no princess this time unfortunately. After this superb track we hear a poem called " Entropy tango" which was only read in the early or mid 70's by Michael Moorcock at some Hawkwind-gigs. It's soon read and "Children of the sun" starts and it's played very beautiful with a dark and lonely overtune, I'm shivering during the song and suddenly Nik ends the track by saying "Tack" which means thankyou and the band is leaving the stage, but the audience wants more and after a few minutes the band is back. Nik is telling us how much he have enjoyed being back after 20 years, but without Evert Wysell (the organizer) this would have been impossible. After that followed the usaul christmas-greetings and he told us what it all is about - peace, love and understanding, and we all agree on that, don't we ? The final track starts and it's an old hit called "Silver machine" with the princess dancing together with Nik and a fire-eater coming out from behind the stage, walking down to the floor where the audience is gattering round him and I think it all looks like a giant camp-fire where the people are sitting down and listening to old stories but this time it's Nik playing sax and singing this great song. Joe wrote a letter to me and he described this as a 10 minutes berserk version, which I think is absolutely correct, perhaps this is the final version ? Nik starts to play his sax in a wild manner and by now the the temperature is rather high on the floor and Nik is ending the track with the "Washing machine" end. The long-awaited show is over and we are all saying that this was something very special. We (Joe and me) got a chance to talk with Soren after the gig and he was satisfied with the evening although very tired, they've played for about three hours so we can understand why. We couldn't find a weak spot this evening but then again, we are true fans of spacerock. There is probably some faults in this review - typing errors and other things but I hope you've enjoyed it anyway. Don't hesitate to to contact me if you've any comments to this interview. Henrik Hallgren From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Jan 21 17:51:47 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 17:51:47 -0500 Subject: new to list Message-ID: On 20-JAN-1996 12:31:41.8 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >20 Jan 1996 09:16:52 -0800 >Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 09:16:52 -0800 >From: joel wendrow >Subject: Re: new to list >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Message-id: <199601201716.JAA10545 at ix.ix.netcom.com> >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >You wrote: >> >>--- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 20/01/96 13.04 >> -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET >> >> Hi, >> As a new subscriber this is my first msg, so apologies if I >> somehow screw things up for anybody. >> >Hi, >I too am new to list. I am a very big fan of BOC. I have >seen them about 12 times over the past 20 years (wow do I feel old). >I just picked up a CD by Clint Ruin and Lydia Lunch that features a >cover of Don't Fear the Reaper. Pretty cool cover art and not a >terrible redition of the song. there are three other songs on the CD >on a cover of the Beatles Why Don't We Do It In the Road. First of all, welcome to the new guys! Hope you enjoy the list. Now I have a question pertaining to HW: There's a line in the song "Urban Guerilla", during the chorus: "We used up all of our magic powers trying to DO IT IN THE ROAD." Do you think this is a referrence to the Beatles song? It would seem to make sense: The hippy/peace stuff didn't work, and now they're talking about a more violent form of rebellion. Chuck `[1;34;41mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Jan 21 17:52:03 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 17:52:03 -0500 Subject: HW: Spaced Comments Message-ID: On 20-JAN-1996 16:56:49.9 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> >death). Somebody else posted that this version was several months >ago > >and I silently agreed with him then. "Angels of Death" has a >great > >ominous tone that no other version has and it fits the song >well. > >This quiet power is how I'd envision an Angel of Death >introducing > >itself. I'd vote this the best of the "Angels of >Death" versions. I > >also like the old version on the >_Collections_ CD a lot. > >>Funny you should mention that - The Collection version of "Angels Of >Death", >>that is my absolute favorite HW performance (Though I think "Magnu" >would >have been a more appropriate title). It seems to be the >heaviest and >the most ominous. Seems underrated, too, though, and I >guess The Collection >is the only official release that it appears on... >> >>Chuck >>night..." >chuck, you haven't read your Codex! >*only* official release, besides eleven others... >(or is the _Collection_ more official than one of its parents, the >_Anthology II_?) >ok, you're excused - it seems to be late over there ;0) >\\joe\the_watcher >======================== >Angels Of Death >L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock {Angels of Life} >L 1 British Tribal Music >L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II >L 1 Acid Daze Vol. II >L 1 The Hawkwind Collection >L 1 Ironstrike >L 1 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] >L 1 Night Riding >L 1 Silver Machine Live 12" EP >L 1 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] >L 1 Best of Hawkwind >L 1 Space Is Deep Whoops, you're right. I checked my Godwin codex (which I know is not as complete). Don't know what I was thinking there... Chuck "Good minds open and take new light" `[1;34;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Jan 22 12:22:18 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 12:22:18 EST Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Down Under! In-Reply-To: <199601200029.AAA09992@aardvark.apana.org.au>; from "Assassin Sonique" at Jan 19, 96 08:33:21 am Message-ID: > > Yes! > > > They are playing at the Palace in Melbourne on March 1st, as well as > an 'in-store appearance' at Greville Records. > > Hey Matt & Marty - we going? I'm sure we can make a real big > BRAINSTORM banner ;^) > I think we should,what do you want to do re tickets? regards Marty > Paul > > -- > Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long > R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may > mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they > http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! > From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Jan 22 12:30:07 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 12:30:07 EST Subject: Harlow 1974 In-Reply-To: <199601191839.TAA03634@exit.ruhr.de>; from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Jan 19, 96 07:39:24 pm Message-ID: Hi Bernhard > > >My tape for Stonehenge 1977 has the listing: > > > >Quark, Strangeness and Charm > >Master of the Universe > >Welcome to the Future > >Spirit of the Age > >Sonic Attack > >Robot > >High Rise > >Damnation Alley > >Uncle Sam's on Mars > > > > > >Whereas yours has the same tracks in a different order. Any guesses why > >that's happened? > > Oh yes: A real Stonehenge tape 1977 does not exist. All the STONEHENGE tapes > which are on the market were compiled by 2 or 3 fans (included myself) from > the WEIRD tapes and the Anthology records I believe. > > Here is my track listing (compiled by myself): > > 23.06.77, STONEHENGE FESTIVAL, 50/9 > quark strangeness and charm / high rise / robot / spirit of the age / sonic > attack / damnation alley / uncle sam's on mars / iron dream / master of the > universe / welcome > > What about "Cake out",I believe this was recorded at Stonehenge '77,it certainly sounds circa '77 HW,I only wish it was longer :-) lots of blanga. regards Marty From RunIago at AOL.COM Sun Jan 21 21:50:30 1996 From: RunIago at AOL.COM (Edward Hoden) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 21:50:30 -0500 Subject: Off: BOC-L Directory Stuff and 2 ?s Message-ID: Be glad to post messages on AOL to Bloom if someone knows his handle. Run Iago From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Mon Jan 22 03:44:16 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 03:44:16 EST Subject: Off: Nikwind at festivals Message-ID: Hi folks ! This time I have a question about festivals on the European mainland - Nik Turner and DarXtar will eventually visit festivals this summer and the organizer ( Evert Wysell) needs help with suitable festivals in Europe (including Eastern Europe as well). Both me and Evert would be very grateful for help with this. If you know about festivals, can you please E-mail info including phone# / fax# to me and I will forward anything useful to him. This can perhaps be your chance to see this great version of Nikwind. Thanks in advance Henrik From m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK Mon Jan 22 09:15:54 1996 From: m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK (M.R.VARLEY) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:15:54 GMT+0 Subject: Imaginos tour/Stalk Forrest Group Message-ID: Hello all, Here in the UK BOC played a tour after the release of Imaginos (about Feb 1988 if I remember right). I saw the Manchester date and they played 3 Imaginos songs: I Am The One, In the Presence and Astronomy (Imaginos not Secret Treaties version). I've seen them both times they've played the UK since then (both a 'tour' consisting of one UK date only - London) and no Imaginos songs were played. Some of the BOC info on the Internet mentions a rumoured '200 or so copies' of a Stalk Forrest Group single from the unreleased Elektra album. Well I can confirm it since I bought that single (What is Quicksand b/w Arthur Comics) back in the late 1970s. A record collector's shop had it for stlg5 (quite a lot then!) but I decided it was worth it! If anyone wants I can put the details (label number etc.) on a mailing but I don't suppose it will be that easy to get. It seems BOC tour a lot in the US. Here I've seen them 10 times (at least once on each UK tour except the first in 1975 (I was only 13 then!) and the last time (London Dec 1995) was definitely one of the best! Does anyone know of the likelihood of a forthcoming UK tour?! Cheers Martin From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Mon Jan 22 06:22:42 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 06:22:42 EST Subject: HW: Nikwind-tapes Message-ID: Hi again folks ! Those of you that have received tapes from me and are having trouble with distorsion, here is what I think is the ideal settings on the equalizer: Hz 60=+2, Hz 150=-3, Hz 400=0, Hz 1k=0, Hz 2,4k=+1, Hz 6=+2 and finally Hz 15k=0. My equalizer-scale is between -10 to +10. Hope this helps Henrik From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 22 07:25:21 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 12:25:21 +0000 Subject: Imaginos tour/Stalk Forrest Group In-Reply-To: <646DD630480@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> from "M.R.VARLEY" at Jan 22, 96 09:15:54 am Message-ID: > It seems BOC tour a lot in the US. Here I've seen them 10 times (at > least once on each UK tour except the first in 1975 (I was only 13 > then!) and the last time (London Dec 1995) was definitely one of the > best! Does anyone know of the likelihood of a forthcoming UK tour?! Well, it's rumored they might be back to the UK in the Spring, which seems pretty soon. This _might_ be true, you never know, possibly dependant on the strength of sales for _WoT_, or in support of the same. Or that might be the same kind of statement as: 'We'll have a new album out very soon now ...' ;) Cheers, Carl From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 22 07:28:19 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 12:28:19 GMT Subject: HW: Looking for stuff In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Sun, 21 Jan 1996 10:38:25 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hello folks > > I am still looking for the following items: > > - PALACE SPRINGS (vinyl record) > - STASIS (vinyl record) > - HAWKFAN 12 (record) > - HAWKFAN 1 - 3 (magazines) > - 25 Years (12" vinyl) grey and/or black The grey vinyl is on the latest Rock of Ages list. > - MIND JOURNEY (bootleg record) ............. does it really exist? Brian Tawn has an acetate of this. Apart from that I believe it only exists on tapes from that Acetate. Cheers FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 22 07:29:08 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 12:29:08 +0000 Subject: new to list In-Reply-To: <01I0A4DY3M4U98DKSF@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Jan 21, 96 05:51:47 pm Message-ID: > Now I have a question pertaining to HW: There's a line in the song "Urban > Guerilla", during the chorus: "We used up all of > our magic powers trying to DO > IT IN THE ROAD." Do you think this is a referrence to the Beatles song? It > would seem to make sense: The hippy/peace stuff didn't work, and now they're > talking about a more violent form of rebellion. That's always been my assumption. The "White Album" was, what? 1968? So 5 or 6 years before "Urban Guerilla" ('72? '73?) so the Beatles song was probably reasonably fresh in people's minds the way well-known songs from ~1990 would be today. Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 22 07:59:38 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 07:59:38 -0500 Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: Check the FAQ to find out who was in BOC and when, but to answer the question: Allen was back in the band by the Imaginos tour. Joe had left the band not long after Club Ninja was released. Joe did not "return briefly" John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 22 08:10:28 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 08:10:28 -0500 Subject: BOC GODZILLA; Bootleg or Best Of... Message-ID: Manuel: The "Godzilla" CD you speak of is most likely the single-CD boot of the 1981 show at Bonds Casino -- see the FAQ description of *The Thing!* for more info, but basically it's about two thirds of the songs from the *The Thing!* double CD put on a single disc. Unless you happen to be an avid collector of all things BOC, there's probably no reason to get this CD -- however, if you don't have it, try to get *The Thing!*, which is an excellent recording. Note: If you have a chance to actually look at the "Godzilla" CD, you'll be able to identify it by a drawing of a very ugly guy on the front -- kind of stupid as it has nothing to do with BOC. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 22 08:14:03 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 08:14:03 EST Subject: new to list Message-ID: > Hi, > I too am new to list. I am a very big fan of BOC. I have > seen them about 12 times over the past 20 years (wow do I feel old). > I just picked up a CD by Clint Ruin and Lydia Lunch that features a > cover of Don't Fear the Reaper. Pretty cool cover art and not a > terrible redition of the song. there are three other songs on the CD > on a cover of the Beatles Why Don't We Do It In the Road. > Well keep up the good work and I'll see you all at the Four Winds > Bar. > > Joel Joel, Welcome to the list. What's your email address? I'd like to send you something off-line. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 22 08:17:54 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 08:17:54 EST Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: > Check the FAQ to find out who was in BOC and when, but to answer the > question: Allen was back in the band by the Imaginos tour. Joe had > left the band not long after Club Ninja was released. Joe did not > "return briefly" > > John John, thanks for seting me straight. if i get your chronology, it WAS possible that BOC played at least a tour (or some gigs) with just Buck and Eric from the original band? this all makes sense, 'cause i thought the guy on bass MIGHT have been joe. Must have been some replacement who looked a little like joe. theo From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jan 22 08:39:09 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:39:09 +0000 Subject: Imaginos post mortem In-Reply-To: <3394F9B44AD@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: > > John, > thanks for seting me straight. if i get your chronology, it WAS > possible that BOC played at least a tour (or some gigs) with just > Buck and Eric from the original band? this all makes sense, 'cause i > thought the guy on bass MIGHT have been joe. Must have been some > replacement who looked a little like joe. > theo > Certainly when BOC hit London on the CN tour, Joe was no longer in the band. Dave From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 22 08:42:39 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:42:39 +0000 Subject: Nikwind-review. In-Reply-To: <960121184406_100522.44_JHB65-2@CompuServe.COM> from "Henrik Hallgren" at Jan 21, 96 01:44:06 pm Message-ID: Sounds like the NiXtar/Darkwind ;) show in Sweden was incredible! I sure hope they tour Europe this summer, since I like DarXtar much better than Pressurehed (the USA Nikwind band) and wouldn't want to miss this at all! Cheers, Carl From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Jan 22 08:41:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 08:41:00 EST Subject: HW: Cellular Hawkwind Boot Message-ID: I want to put in my order for a copy of _Cellular Hawkwind_, the next step in technology. I'd also like to suggest you release a companion CD of HW covers, _Hawkwind on Hold_. I can do a mean touch tone version of "Pulsing Cavern" and working on "Space Dust." I think that "Live and Let Live" can use the cell border reception breakup to good effect. These boots seem like naturals to be released on the Cellsum label. (Deb and Al filter out HW stuff, right?) Many thanks to the Hellion for granting relief to my CD induced deficiencies. Seems that analog is a requisite for a well rounded HW diet. Byte size is nice, but not all the trace elements are present. Tape hiss and surface noise are the fiber that helps move things through the ear canal. Happy to report that I'm sleeping better and have more energy now. Might even stave off hardening of the mind for a few more years. Paul, you are right to chide me for my comments about _Zones_. Inexcusable talk from an acolyte. As \\joe said, a lukewarm HW album is like platinum with a bullet for any other band. I'll recite "Sonic Attack" five times for penance. "In Scott we trust" Rudy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 22 08:45:26 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:45:26 +0000 Subject: BOC: WoT in the UK In-Reply-To: <2DF15F67129@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Jan 18, 96 02:04:55 pm Message-ID: Hey, can anyone who's seen _WoT_ in the UK confirm whether its a double or single CD? I was going to try to order it from a guy I know, but he said he thought it was a single CD being released today (January 22). But someone (Andy?) said they saw it in London already as a double CD. What's the deal!? Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 22 09:02:13 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:02:13 -0500 Subject: Conversation with Bolle Message-ID: Had a talk with Bolle last night. Some info to share with you all: 1. Morning Final #13 should be sent out in February. 2. Bolle appreciates all the feedback (both positive and negative) that he's received in response to the post that Deb forwarded here to BOC-L. 3. Bolle should have some more definitive news of the band and their future plans soon as he's going to be spending some time with them as they tour northern California. He specifically plans to talk with Allen Lanier about his rumored work on BOC's next CD (no, no dates yet). 4. Bolle has not heard anything about a BOC UK single release. 5. Chuck Burgi will be back in the band as the drummer fairly soon. 6. Bolle is working on an article for GOLDMINE on BOC's history. Rumor has it that it will appear sometime during the last days of may. 7. The band is working up one or two old songs to insert into the setlist. Stuff that hasn't been played live in probably 10-15 years. John From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Jan 22 09:07:19 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:07:19 +0000 Subject: BOC: WoT in the UK In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:45:26 GMT." Message-ID: > Hey, can anyone who's seen _WoT_ in the UK confirm whether its > a double or single CD? I was going to try to order it from a guy I > know, but he said he thought it was a single CD being released today > (January 22). But someone (Andy?) said they saw it in London already > as a double CD. > What's the deal!? Carl, I've seem WotT as a slimline double round here, for normal (read: still extortionate) prices. I've seen the doublesize case version on import - even higher prices - down in London. Ain't heard a thing about a single version though. Tim ObFilm: _Seven_ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 22 09:09:40 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:09:40 -0500 Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: Yes, there was a time when BOC was "Two Oyster Cult" - that is only Buck and Eric were original members. This would have been basically for the part of the Club Ninja tour after Joe left. Probably early-mid '86 until their semi-official breakup in September of '86. The band basically got back together in June of '87 -- they had an offer to tour Greece, and Allen re-joined because he wanted to go there. John From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jan 22 09:07:09 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:07:09 +0000 Subject: BOC: WoT in the UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > Hey, can anyone who's seen _WoT_ in the UK confirm whether its > a double or single CD? I was going to try to order it from a guy I > know, but he said he thought it was a single CD being released today > (January 22). But someone (Andy?) said they saw it in London already > as a double CD. > What's the deal!? > > Cheers, > Carl I interpreted Andy's message as saying that the UK release was a double CD, but packaged in a slimline case. The import edition of WotT is a double CD in a large case. Dave From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 22 09:25:58 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:25:58 EST Subject: BOC: WoT in the UK Message-ID: > Hey, can anyone who's seen _WoT_ in the UK confirm whether its > a double or single CD? I was going to try to order it from a guy I > know, but he said he thought it was a single CD being released today > (January 22). But someone (Andy?) said they saw it in London already > as a double CD. > What's the deal!? > > Cheers, > Carl Carl, I'm virtually certain WotT is a double. The US version is. The US version is: Legacy/Columbia c2k 64163. theo From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Jan 22 10:14:08 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:14:08 -0500 Subject: BOC: WoT in the UK Message-ID: In a message dated 22/01/96 13:54:55, you write: > Hey, can anyone who's seen _WoT_ in the UK confirm whether its >a double or single CD? I was going to try to order it from a guy I >know, but he said he thought it was a single CD being released today >(January 22). But someone (Andy?) said they saw it in London already >as a double CD. > What's the deal!? It's a double CD, with exactly the same tracklist and (exterior) artwork as the US version, but it's in a slimline case the thickness of a normal single CD box. So it's an easy mistake to make at a glance, I suppose. I saw it last week in Virgin at Tottenham Court Road, and they don't usually display stuff ahead of official release dates. - Andy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 22 10:38:29 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:38:29 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: A call to all Brain Surgeons fans Message-ID: Lately, I had been pondering over one of my favorite bands, The Brain Surgeons. To me, the band seems poised to "take their game to the next level", to coin a phrase. *Trepanation* will soon to be available in stores, and the band is working on a new CD reportedly even stronger than the first two efforts. Of course, none of this is a guarantee for success, but certainly the potential may be there. With the band doing about all that they can to make a name for themselves, I think it might be beneficial if we fans could help spread the word, especially at this time of opportunity. I am suggesting that we attempt to contact various music publications and request that they cover the Brain Surgeons. Of course, many of these publications may not have heard of them, so we need to convince them to listen to and perhaps submit a review to their magazine of the Brain Surgeons' music -- Deb has told me that interested publications can obtain demos by contacting the label, so we should not send out our own copies of *Eponymous* or *Trepanation* (and we should not give out personal e-mail or mailing addresses without the band's consent!). Perhaps after becoming familiar with their music, some of these publications will be prompted to do an article on the band. Perhaps "Guitar Player" will want to interview the Brain Surgeon's guitar tandem of Pete Bohovesky and Billy Hilfiger, or perhaps "Modern Drummer" will consider interviewing Albert again (they did run an article on him about 7 years ago). Perhaps a magazine like "Circus" (which I used to read often probably 10 years ago when I was more in tune with what's popular) would run an article or two on the band. So, I'm proposing 2 things that we Brain Surgeons fans do (and am borrowing a famous Brain Surgeons' lyric to describe them): 1. RISE: Everyone who can please write or send e-mail to various music publications, requesting that they cover the Brain Surgeons, and if they haven't yet, to review their music. I've enclosed below a few net addresses that I was able to find. Also, we should try to present ourselves to these publications as astute and intelligent music listeners so that these publications might take our opinions seriously (perhaps telling the publication how we came to appreciate the fine music that The Brain Surgeons have produced, and include some of those comments on the music that we have). 2. REVERBERATE: Now, some of us may not have the time, drive, or resources to send mail to various publications, but I think I've got a way that you can still provide valuable help. I would like to compile a complete list of comments from all those on BOC-L (or friends of yours) who have either heard the Brain Surgeons or seen them live. I would then send this complete list of comments out to various publications -- this way it wouldn't be just my opinion, but perhaps 10 or 20 opinions. I would include past reviews we've done on the Brain Surgeons' CDs and shows if they are available, and any additional thought you all can provide on the subject. Also, so that these publications know that I didn't "invent" fans for the Brain Surgeons, I would include everyone's name and e-mail address so that these publications could send you an e-mail (should they wish to) to verify that you exist and made the comments attributed to you. Many of the various music magazines have stated that they respond to reader input. But, like the radio stations that take requests, they respond to QUANTITY of input, rather than QUALITY. One or two of us asking for Brain Surgeons coverage isn't going to cut it. We need lots of requests, otherwise, we'll get lost in the noise of people requesting Pearl Jam, Alanis Morrisette, Hootie and the Blowfish, or whatever else is popular among the majority of readers these days. Below are a few web or e-mail addresses that I could find. If anyone has more, please post them. If you have any time to drop them a note about the Brain Surgeons, please do so. NOTE: Sorry most of these are web pages - but I was able to use some web-searching tools to come up with this. E-Mail might be better for alot of us, so if anyone can provide e-mail addresses, please do so. GUITAR WORLD: http://www.guitarworld.com ADDICTED TO NOISE (very cool on-line magazine): http://www.adict.com/ATN/ GUITAR PLAYER: http://www.dc.enews.com/magazines/guitar_player http://www.dc.enews.com/cgi-bin/makecomment?Name=Guitar+Player MODERN DRUMMER: http://www.dc.enews.com/magazines/mod_drum/ http://www.dc.enews.com/cgi-bin/makecomment?Name=Modern+Drummer VILLAGE VOICE: http://www.dc.enews.com/magazines/village/ http://www.dc.enews.com/cgi-bin/makecomment?Name=Village+Voice,+The SPIN: http://www.dc.enews.com/magazines/spin/ http://www.dc.enews.com/cgi-bin/makecomment?Name=Spin+Magazine BASS PLAYER (a very cool magazine, IMHO): http://www.dc.enews.com/magazines/bass_player/ http://www.dc.enews.com/cgi-bin/makecomment?Name=Bass+Player e-mail: bass at enews.com, bassplayer at mfi.com (editor: jroberts at mfi.com) BILLBOARD: http://www.billboard-online.com/ e-mail: Epubb at ix.netcom.com The BOSTON PHOENIX (Boston newspaper with lots of music coverage): http://www.bostonphoenix.com http://www.bostonphoenix.com/alt1/standard/feedback.html NEW ENGLAND ROCKS (New England music magazine): http://metro.turnpike.net/~nerocks/nerocks.html e-mail: NERocks at aol.com The NOISE AROUND BOSTON (New England music magazine): e-mail: tmaxnoise at aol.com ROLLING STONE (Australia - couldn't find a U.S. listing, but perhaps they would forward comments to the U.S. offices -- also, I'm pretty sure Rolling Stone has an e-mail address): http://www.next.com.au/music/rstone e-mail: letters at rstone.com.au GUITARIST Magazine (UK publication only?): http://www.music-net.co.uk/Guitarists.html Total Guitar (UK publication only?): http://www.futurenet.co.uk/music/totalguitar.html NOTE: I realize that writing to some of these publications may produce better results than others. BUT - one of the beauties of doing this all electronically is that once you've got one letter/e-mail done, you can forward it to numerous locations. And if you've been exposed to the Brain Surgeons' music, please write to me and let me know what you think. If you have old posts or reviews of albums or shows, please send those along as well. I welcome any suggestions of publications which should receive our requests. Send replies to: jswartz at mitre.org C'mon all you Brain Surgeons' fans -- let's RISE and REVERBERATE!!! John From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Mon Jan 22 10:59:45 1996 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:59:45 +0000 Subject: Imaginos tour/Stalk Forrest Group Message-ID: >Some of the BOC info on the Internet mentions a rumoured '200 or so >copies' of a Stalk Forrest Group single from the unreleased Elektra >album. Well I can confirm it since I bought that single (What is >Quicksand b/w Arthur Comics) back in the late 1970s. A record >collector's shop had it for stlg5 (quite a lot then!) but I decided it >was worth it! If anyone wants I can put the details (label number >etc.) on a mailing but I don't suppose it will be that easy to get. > > >Martin > I saw this in a record shop in Glastonbury (UK) last summer for =A320, but,= as usual when this sort of thing turns up, had no money. I I I ---- 0 ---- I - I -- From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Jan 22 11:49:10 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:49:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Stonehenge 77 Message-ID: Hello >What about "Cake out",I believe this was recorded at Stonehenge '77,it >certainly sounds circa '77 HW,I only wish it was longer :-) lots of blanga. I am 99 % sure that it was NOT recorded at STONEHENGE but during a studion session like VALIUM 10 or DOUGLAS IN THE JUNGLE.......... Cheers Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Jan 22 11:49:12 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:49:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Mind Journey boot Message-ID: Hi there >Brian Tawn has an acetate of this. Apart from that I believe it only >exists on tapes from that Acetate. Heard rumors that there exist a handfull people who own this rare boot Cheers Bernhard From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 22 11:56:06 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:56:06 -0500 Subject: Off: BOC-L Directory Stuff and 2 ?s Message-ID: >Be glad to post messages on AOL to Bloom if someone knows his handle. Eric is OYSTRBOY at AOL.COM R. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 22 12:16:07 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:16:07 GMT Subject: HW: Mind Journey boot In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:49:12 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi there > > > >Brian Tawn has an acetate of this. Apart from that I believe it only > >exists on tapes from that Acetate. > > Heard rumors that there exist a handfull people who own this rare boot These rumours have been around a long time but nobody that I know of has ever met anyone else who has it. If there'd been anyone else in the Uk at least (the most likely place given that it was a radio disc) then I'm pretty sure that one of us would have come across one by now. > Cheers > Bernhard FoFP From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Mon Jan 22 13:56:32 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:56:32 U Subject: HW: Another Sonic Attack Message-ID: >In 1994 Sandia Labs began a DOD sponsored program in less than lethal >weapons. Among the candidates was an ultrasonic system that is supposed to >disturb the vestibular system and create a vertigo like disorientation. > The result would be much closer to somebody leaving a HW concert. Maybe HW >could put a burst as a lead in on any new release to simulate the live >experience more. > Just wandering randomly this lunchtime, when I came across this. Sorry if it's been posted before... >Sound as a weapon > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: PAPAI at kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) >Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban >Subject: Re: Nikola Tesla invented a dangerous machine >Date: 10 Jun 1994 15:27:28 GMT > > In Message-ID: <2t7pi7$rke at beta.qmw.ac.uk> > On or about 9 Jun 1994 19:12:07 GMT >mtaylor at dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Taylor) posted: > >> On a similar subject,I heard a mister Vladimir Gavreau, of Marseilles,France >> created some sort of Low frequency oscillator, the vibrations from which, >> instantly killed the technician operating the thing. > >I have a related item from sci.military from four or five years ago, (back >when it was a moderated, noise-free environment.) > >-Jon > >..........ancient posting begins here............ > >From: griffenj%db1_pdx at ncube.com (Griffen) > > 1. [monster sized kanonen deleted -jp] > > 2. RE: Sound as a weapon. > > Luftkanone. Developed at Talstation Lofer, Germany, during WWII. > Developer: Dr. Richard Wallauscheck. > > Best quote here: > > "...design consisted of a parabolic reflector, 3.2 meters in > diameter, having a short tube which was the combustion chamber or > sound generator, extending to the rear from the vertex of the > parabola. The chamber was fed at the rear by two coaxial nozzles, > the outer nozzle emitting methane, and the central nozzle oxygen. > The length of the chamber was one-quarter the wavelength of the > sound in air. Upon initiation, the first shock wave was reflected > back from the openend of the chamber and initiated the second > explosion. The frequency was from 800 to 1500 impulses per second. > > The main lobe of the sound intensity pattern had a 65 degree angle > of opening, and at 60 meters' distance on the axis a pressure of > 1000 microbars had been measured. No physiological experiments > were conducted, but it was estimated that at such a pressure it > would take from 30 to 40 seconds to kill a man. At greater ranges, > perhaps up to 300 meters, the effect, although not lethal, would > be very painful and would probably disable a man for an > appreciable length of time. Vision would be affected, and > low-level exposures would cause point sources of light to appear > as lines." [1] > > The device was not deployed, due to complexity and lack of range. > > Also, a device that created vortices in the air, and a device that shot > 'plugs' of air were developed at the same facility, primarily for > low-level anti-aircraft defence. > > References: > > 1. Secret Weapons of the Third Reich by Leslie E. Simon (USA, ret) > WE, Inc., Publishers (c)1971 [great book!] > 2. The Guns 1939-45 by Ian V. Hogg Ballentine Books Inc. (c)1970 > 3. Lost Victories by Erich von Manstein (Ooops, no data) > 4. German Secret Weapons of World War 2 by I. V. Hogg ARCO Publishing > Company, Inc. (c)1970 Cheers, Rich. ** this. is. not. a. fish? ** From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Jan 22 13:02:37 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:02:37 -0500 Subject: Conv w/ Bolle / Q for Albert! Message-ID: In a message dated 96-01-22 09:12:11 EST, you write: >3. Bolle should have some more definitive news of the band and their >future plans soon as he's going to be spending some time with them as >they tour northern California. He specifically plans to talk with Allen >Lanier about his rumored work on BOC's next CD (no, no dates yet). > his "rumored" work? I thought that was a given, that he would work on the new CD...what is this rumor? >6. Bolle is working on an article for GOLDMINE on BOC's history. Rumor >has it that it will appear sometime during the last days of may. kewl... > > >7. The band is working up one or two old songs to insert into the >setlist. Stuff that hasn't been played live in probably 10-15 years. > >John > any guesses as to what those songs might be? I think the Vigil is quite possible...(according to the article about BOC Online, the Vigil is probly the most requested if BOC were to implement fan input) for those 2 new songs, there are 2 songs to be dumped...one could be ME 262.... I thought She's As Beautiful As A Foot was to be added to the set...according to Allen at the MD gig around Aug 95, they were working on it but weren't yet satisfied with it...I think the plans of gettin this into their "acoustic" set has been pretty much dumped...it's a shame, cuz it's a very kewl tune... and finally, Eric mentioned at a gig that "we haven't played that (I'm on The Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep) in 18 yrs" which would've been 1977...or was he just blowin' smoke? From asking the ones with the most extensive live tape collections, Sheep has yet to turn up on any live tapes...this would be a Q directed to Herr Bouchard, who had played with the band since its incarnation...I have a feeling that this song was never played live, and was already reworked as the Red and the Black on the Bootleg EP...or, was the Red and The Black reworked as Sheep for the debut album? ROBO From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 22 13:46:08 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:46:08 GMT Subject: Ode to a Timeflower Message-ID: This is for the lyrics file if someone could add it please! (NB - though I've added a note and a query at the end) ODE TO A TIME FLOWER (Calvert) Your calyx hides a nectary of time That with my fingers I could pluck as easily As sounding strings to recite their chime, And your most exquisite petals melt icily In my palm. To hold the flow of moments past As carefully as I would my last Few seconds left on Earth. Would that be crime? Or if I picked you just to see you turn To crystalled pearl in my eyes and learn How man is Angel on his way from slime. Did heedless Eve think twice before she broke The enjewelled fruit from its brittle stem. Or the first man to reach out and stroke The marijuana leaf, condemn Himself for greed when harvesting And burning such a golden thing. As this dreaming poet who just then spoke Of your sacredness, and is now prepared To do exactly as he first declared And make of his museful words a joke. But not quite as easy after all I find, as my fingers reach to grasp, Your gleaming head to wrench from its tall Transparent stalk, they refuse to clasp. As did Pandora's eager hands hold still At the thought of the box containing ill. Or the stoned explorers of Medusa stall For time not entered in their log Before they dared the petrific fog That holds them still in its timeless thrall. ************ a nectary of time That with my fingers I could pluck as easily As sounding strings to recite their chime, And your most exquisite petals melt icily In my palm. To hold the flow of moments past As carefully as I would my last Few seconds left on Earth. Would that be crime? Or if I picked you just to see you turn To crystalled pearl in my eyes and learn How man is Angel on his way from slime .... (Robert Calvert from 'Centigrade 232') --------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes: 1) I've typed it exactly as it appears in the book (and as spoken on his reading of it). Whether it exactly matches the Harlow 74 tape I'm honestly not sure. 2) There is an intro in the book which might explain the poem somewhat - I'll add it below. I assume it's sourced from a sci-fi story. Does anyone recognise it? It sounds Bradbury-esque "As he carried the flower back on to the terrace, it began to sparkle and deliquesce, the light trapped within the core at last released...... Raising his head, Axel peered over the wall again. Only the farthest rim of the horizon was lit by the sun, and the great throng, which before had stretched almost a quarter of the way across the plain, had now receded to the horizon, the entire concourse abruptly flung back in a reversal of time, and appeared to be stationary." jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 22 13:53:49 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:53:49 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: A call to all Brain Surgeons fans In-Reply-To: <199601221538.KAA25029@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Jan 22, 96 10:38:29 am Message-ID: > I am suggesting that we attempt to contact various music publications > and request that they cover the Brain Surgeons. Can anyone supply a list of publications known to have already covered tBS (though if they only looked at _Eponymous_ I suppose we should force them at gunpoint to look at _Trepanation_ as well :) ? Also, does anyone have a list of addresses of publications we can contact (besides the ones John has acquired)? I suppose I should be doing my bit over 'ere in ol' Blighty ... Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 22 13:56:00 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:56:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Covers tapes project? Message-ID: What's become of the HW covers tape project? Did it reach a conclusion while I was unsubscribed over the holidays? It suddenly occured to me I hadn't seen it mentioned in a while. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 22 14:36:02 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 19:36:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead new album rumor (!) Message-ID: I just read a Motorhead concert review on one of the metal Usenet newsgroups (summary: very cool and extremely fucking loud) wherein the reviewer mentioned that Lemmy said Motorhead might well have a new album out by late summer of this year (eat your heart out, BOC! ;) That's pretty fast after Sacrifice for bands these days, but on the other hand, Sacrifice was scarcely longer than half-an-hour. Still, if any new album is as good as Sacrifice, I shan't complain :) Cheers, Carl From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jan 22 15:16:42 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:16:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Cellular Hawkwind Boot (silly) Message-ID: >I want to put in my order for a copy of _Cellular Hawkwind_, the next step >in technology. I'd also like to suggest you release a companion CD of HW >covers, _Hawkwind on Hold_. I can do a mean touch tone version of "Pulsing >Cavern" and working on "Space Dust." I think that "Live and Let Live" can >use the cell border reception breakup to good effect. These boots seem like >naturals to be released on the Cellsum label. (Deb and Al filter out HW >stuff, right?) > Track Listing for Cellular Hawkwind: 1. Earth Calling 2. 25 years on hold 3. Phone-jack of Shadows 4. The Wizard dialed his phone 5. Zones 6. Needle Phone (sprint?) 7. Hearing Aid Test 8. You shouldn't dial that. ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Jan 22 15:15:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:15:00 EST Subject: HW: Covers project? Message-ID: This was a subject of discussion this weekend between Scott and I. At last official mention, it was on to tape #4. I would suggest that unless there is another compelling cover of Silver machine, make it a go at 3 or no more than 4. It could be a never ending project otherwise. I'm looking forward to hearing it too, Carl. Rudy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 22 15:18:24 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:18:24 EST Subject: Conv w/ Bolle / Q for Albert! Message-ID: > > and finally, Eric mentioned at a gig that "we haven't played that (I'm on The > Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep) in 18 yrs" which would've been 1977...or was he > just blowin' smoke? From asking the ones with the most extensive live tape > collections, Sheep has yet to turn up on any live tapes...this would be a Q > directed to Herr Bouchard, who had played with the band since its > incarnation...I have a feeling that this song was never played live, and was > already reworked as the Red and the Black on the Bootleg EP...or, was the Red > and The Black reworked as Sheep for the debut album? > > ROBO Robo, First time I saw BOC was in '74, and I saw them very regularly (more than once per tour) til RBN, and I've never heard them do 'On the Lam." Nor at any time since then, a span of 20-25 times, easily. That doesn't mean they never did it, but not at any shows I've seen. Come to think of it, I've only heard them do 'Red and Black' a couple of times. Maybe just a coincidence? theo From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Mon Jan 22 15:41:05 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:41:05 -0600 Subject: OFF: Motorhead in atlanta jan 27 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: attention southerners- motorhead will be playing this saturday at the masquerade in Atlanta!! i just found out and am kinda miffed because i have a wedding to attend this weekend- oh well!! so that leaves no excuse for you locals not to go and have a loud time with lemmy & co. well just thought id spread the word. -mike psyche From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Mon Jan 22 15:50:12 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:50:12 -0600 Subject: [hw] cover project update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: Carl, and everyone else, > What's become of the HW covers tape project? Did it reach > a conclusion while I was unsubscribed over the holidays? It suddenly > occured to me I hadn't seen it mentioned in a while. I was away for a few weeks over the holidays, and just put the final (probably) additions into the mail late last week to Dave in England. Once he's received the tape, we should be able to begin making copies to everyone. We haven't discussed the cost issue yet, but we're looking at 4 tapes + postage/mailer costs, so I imagine somewhere around $10-14-ish for the US folks (don't know UK mail rates). Once he and I have finalized the details, we'll let everyone know. In the meanwhile, the following people have asked for sets. If your name does not appear, contact Dave (daveb at harlequin.co.uk) or I (iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu). Allan. ---------------- > >Just how many list members want a set? From: William Stone From: "C.E. Anderson" From: Gary Wingert From: cjohnson From: Vanderpump & Welbelove From: Paul Ward From: Frank Weil From: HERBERT119 at delphi.com (Chuck) From: donnell at epx.cis.umn.edu (brian) From: JEFFRIEDLE at aol.com (Jeff) From: Hawkwind00 at aol.com (ray) From: Jerry Guizar From: Doug From: Paul Mather From: Martyn White From: MCINTYRE at pa.msu.edu (John McIntyre) From: Stephen Lindsey From: Richard Crump From: Keith A Henderson From: Chris Baxley From: RJPXR5 at aol.com From: P Mitchell From: Rudich, Robert A From: Martyn Lawrence From: Michael P Mccollum From: "David B. Kuznick" From: ALANSEIBERT at delphi.com From: Brand John Majka sent me a request, but I think he's actually in the USA. I'll ask him. > Have you rec'd any requests that have not appeared on the list as a whole? I have had requests from Alun Hughes, David Jones, Rob Stuckey, and Paul Ward, plus confirmation from Mike Holmes, Mike Wright, Jill, Hendrik and Joe. Joe also asked if I could do a set for Soren of darXtar; I've asked him to pay for those. > I would tend to assume we'd make a set for the band as well (or would > that be a set for each member?). I was assuming one set for the band. One for each member (or worse, per ex-member) would be expensive! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Mon Jan 22 20:30:57 1996 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 00:30:57 -0100 Subject: BOC: WoT in the UK Message-ID: >> Hey, can anyone who's seen _WoT_ in the UK confirm whether its >>a double or single CD? I was going to try to order it from a guy I >>know, but he said he thought it was a single CD being released today >>(January 22). But someone (Andy?) said they saw it in London already >>as a double CD. >> What's the deal!? > >It's a double CD, with exactly the same tracklist and (exterior) artwork as >the US version, but it's in a slimline case the thickness of a normal single >CD box. So it's an easy mistake to make at a glance, I suppose. > >I saw it last week in Virgin at Tottenham Court Road, and they don't usually >display stuff ahead of official release dates. > >- Andy > Then it's the same slimline version as I have (Legacy/Columbia 480949 2), bought in Stockholm 3(!) months ago:-) Dan * * * * * * * * E7D9G8B5G8D9E7D9G8B5G8D9E0D6G6B4G6D6E2D4G4B2(x3):E4D4G4B2G4D4E0D6G6B4G6D6 E2G4D4B2D4G4E2G4D3B2D3G4 ---DAN LINDFORS __ __ "Det var paa den tiden jag gick omkring och svalt / ` ' / ,, i Kristiania, denna forunderliga stad som |[====|||||||||||[::} ingen lamnar utan att ha fatt marken av den..." \__.-._\ `` Knut Hamsun. "Sult"/"Svalt"("Hunger")1890. E7A9D11G7D11A9E7A9D11G7D11A9E0A2D4G0D4A2E2A4G2D4G2A4(x3):E3A5D7G4D7A5 E0A2D4G0D4A2E2A4D2G4E2A4D2G3D2A4... lindfors at algonet.se * * * * * * * * From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jan 22 18:49:03 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:49:03 -0700 Subject: BOC GODZILLA; Bootleg or Best Of... In-Reply-To: <199601221310.IAA25738@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > Manuel: > > The "Godzilla" CD you speak of is most likely the single-CD boot of the > 1981 show at Bonds Casino -- see the FAQ description of *The Thing!* > for more info, but basically it's about two thirds of the songs from the > *The Thing!* double CD put on a single disc. Unless you happen to be an > avid collector of all things BOC, there's probably no reason to get this > CD -- however, if you don't have it, try to get *The Thing!*, which is > an excellent recording. > > Note: If you have a chance to actually look at the "Godzilla" CD, you'll > be able to identify it by a drawing of a very ugly guy on the front -- > kind of stupid as it has nothing to do with BOC. > > John > John; Thanks for the info. I think I'll pass on this one since I have a taped copy from Bolle. But it seems to me after listening to the Bond's tape that the end was recorded at the Country Club that same year (81). Eric clearly tells the audience that they are in LA, and bring out Robbie Krieger to jam on Roadhouse Blues. Anyways, thanks for the info. You just saved me 30 big ones!!!!! Regards, Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jan 22 19:00:43 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:00:43 -0700 Subject: Imaginos post mortem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Hardman DK wrote: > > > > John, > > thanks for seting me straight. if i get your chronology, it WAS > > possible that BOC played at least a tour (or some gigs) with just > > Buck and Eric from the original band? this all makes sense, 'cause i > > thought the guy on bass MIGHT have been joe. Must have been some > > replacement who looked a little like joe. > > theo > > > Certainly when BOC hit London on the CN tour, Joe was no longer in the band. > > Dave > Dave: Actually, Joe WAS still with the band for the UK leg of that tour. CN was released in the Fall of 1985, and BOC embarked on the UK tour in November and December of 1985. The band returned to the States and played the Ritz in NYC on New Year's Eve 1986. Immediately after that show, BOC returned to Europe (the contintent) and resumed to tour there from late January thru late February of 1986. As Bolle wrote in one of the issues of Morning Final, Joe became physically sick during those late days of touring Europe. Joe's last gig with the band was in Berlin in February, 1986. After that gig, Joe called it quits due to his health and because of that "disasterous" tour. CN was released (Stateside)in the beginning of 1986 and some big shows were lined up for the States to begin in March. And that's when Jon Rogers was called in to replace Joe. Just lettin' you know. Regards, Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Tue Jan 23 17:50:57 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:50:57 -1000 Subject: OFF: Radio Birdman - THE GIG Message-ID: Here is Tony's review of the RB show last Friday night. I asked if he, a former BOC-Ler, could write one for the list. Pete. >Hi all, >Those MC5 and Radio Birdman fans of old, not to mention the new and the >curious, had 'em selves a ball last Friday night at the Roxy. It was a >night for the air-punchers, the crowd surfers, the groovers, and hey, the >people who just wanted to look on in awe. It was a hot sweaty night ripped >apart by high volume sonic sounds designed to make you move. And move the >punters did - those on the dance floor certainly had no choice. > >A local band opened the proceedings (sorry, I missed their name). >Everything in context, they were fast, loud, and energetic. I think they >suffered here and there from a few techno probs. They set the scene, >however, and their set was tight and enthusiastically played. > >Wayne Kramer of MC5 fame blew us away. His choice of music for the evening >was taken from his most recent effort, 'Epitaph'. Laced with the 'we're not >gonna take it' street politics for which the MC5 gained their notoriety in >the late 60s, Kramer's stance is as relevant now as it ever was. He >badgered, he cajoled, he made you take notice. A rock steady bass and drums >section supported Kramer who displayed some of the best electric guitar >virtuosity I've seen in years. He was all over the neck wringing some >impossible sounds out of his trusty Fender. The guys were having a good >time, too. They finished strongly, finally deferring to the crowds' wishes, >by storming through 'Kick out the Jams'. Ah, love that screeching feedback. >The guys got the response they deserved, it was a helluva set. > >The rumbling bass intro to 'Hand of Law' signalled the return of Radio >Birdman to the stage. With all members intact, it was the awesome return of >a group of musos long regarded by many as the best of Oz rock bands. Ever. >Some 15 years after their split there were some obvious physical changes to >mark the passage of time. No changes otherwise, however. Rob Younger was >in fine(?) voice and the guitars of Chris Masuak and Deniz Tek were killers >on the loose. Warwick Gilbert plays bass like a bass should sound - deep >and booming, none of that percussive slap and pluck shit. Pip Hoyle on >keyboards and Ron Keeley on drums were the rock solid backbone of it all. > >The set took in most of what they ever put out on vinyl. A few songs from >the first album were missing, however. I'm pretty sure that 'Anglo Girl >Desire', 'Do the Pop' and 'Monday Morning Gunk' were absent. Not to worry, >there was plenty left. They even did a cover of the old Master's >Apprentices number, 'Undecided'. It could just as easily have been one of >their own. The set was played hard and loud, real loud. If anything, they >may have been a little under rehearsed on some songs, but it didn't matter. >The energy was incredible. There's still tension there alright and one >hopes that anything they do now will be channelled for our musical benefit. > >I'd waited a long time for this, never believing that it might eventuate. >It did and I can't wait to see 'em again. Yeah, hup! > >Tony ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Jan 23 02:28:17 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 02:28:17 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: A call to all Brain Surgeons fans Message-ID: On 22-JAN-1996 14:07:52.1 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >by listserv.spc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA15606 for >; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:54:14 -0500 >Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6] (ident = root) >by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.0 #36) >id m0teRNJ-000BzwC; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:53 +0000 (GMT) >Received: by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.29.0 #77) id >m0teRNF-000DJLC; Mon, >22 Jan 1996 18:53 +0000 (GMT) >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:53:49 +0000 >From: "Carl E. Anderson" >Subject: Re: BRAIN: A call to all Brain Surgeons fans >In-reply-to: <199601221538.KAA25029 at mbunix.mitre.org> >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Message-id: >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] >Content-type: text >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >> I am suggesting that we attempt to contact various music publications >> and request that they cover the Brain Surgeons. >Can anyone supply a list of publications known to have already >covered tBS (though if they only looked at _Eponymous_ I suppose we >should force them at gunpoint to look at _Trepanation_ as well :) ? >Also, does anyone have a list of addresses of publications >we can contact (besides the ones John has acquired)? >I suppose I should be doing my bit over 'ere in ol' Blighty ... >Cheers, >Carl B-Side magazine strikes me as a pub that might be willing to do a review or something for BS. Their address is: PO Box 1860 Burlington, NJ 08016 (609) 387-9424 Chuck `[1;33;43mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Tue Jan 23 04:20:51 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 04:20:51 EST Subject: No subject Message-ID: ---- Mail Item Text Follows --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 23/01/96 09.19 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Subject HW MH interview tape. Hi, Does anyone know of the existance of a tape of a radio interview with Lemmy in about 1979? It was a phone-in programme & lasted about an hour. I remember Lemmy talking about roadieing for Hendrix / being thrown out of HW / the wearing of Swastikas on stage / about some fan jumping of a balcony at a gig etc etc. Jes. From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Tue Jan 23 10:20:15 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:20:15 U Subject: BOC: Radio Birdman Message-ID: >> What! What's this? I may have missed Motorhead, but I definately >> don't want to miss the Ramones! This is their last tour, right? >> I'm in! What's the deal/plan? >We meet a pub nearby for a Lager obviously! Which one Andy? >Paul Post it to the list - I'll see y'all there! Cheers, Rich. ** Supercalifragelisticborussiamonchengladbach ** From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Jan 23 06:31:39 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 06:31:39 -0500 Subject: Ramones (was Re: BOC: Radio Birdman) Message-ID: >>We meet a pub nearby for a Lager obviously! Which one Andy? > >>Paul > >Post it to the list - I'll see y'all there! OK! - the Beehive, if you emerge from Brixton u/g turn right, just under the railway bridge on your right. (Fast becoming the boc-l local!) 7 o'clock or so. At least one of us'll be wearing a Nethawks shirt! - Andy From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Jan 23 06:38:19 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:38:19 +0000 Subject: Imaginos post mortem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Dave: > > Actually, Joe WAS still with the band for the UK leg of that tour. > CN was released in the Fall of 1985, and BOC embarked on the UK tour > in November and December of 1985. The band returned to the States and > played the Ritz in NYC on New Year's Eve 1986. Gee, the ol' memory is starting to go! That sucks! But I'm sure it was 3OC that played that gig -- so am I right in thinking that Allen was out of the band at that time? Dave From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 23 08:04:05 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 08:04:05 -0500 Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: Dave asks: Gee, the ol' memory is starting to go! That sucks! But I'm sure it was 3OC that played that gig -- so am I right in thinking that Allen was out of the band at that time? Yes, Allen was probably gone -- I saw "3OC" (Buck, Eric, Joe) in Boston in the fall of '85 when they started previewing tunes from Club Ninja (got to hear "Wings of Mercury" then too) - Tommy Zvoncheck was playing keys at that time. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 23 08:09:42 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 08:09:42 -0500 Subject: BOC: CDEurope question Message-ID: Just a note to the person who asked about a BOC CD in CDEurope's inventory entitled, "Blood Sweat and Tears": I just checked their on-line inventory and found no such title. Based on that, and the fact that Bolle says the band is still working on their new album, I believe that CDEurope had some sort of technical problem with their database. (the band Blood Sweat and Tears is pretty close alphabetically to Blue Oyster Cult). John PS: I'm having network problems with my computer at work, so I may be away for a few days, and unable to answer e-mail. We'll see how fast the technicians here can fix my computer. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jan 23 08:41:32 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 13:41:32 +0000 Subject: Ramones (was Re: BOC: Radio Birdman) In-Reply-To: <960123063138_124629248@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jan 23, 96 06:31:39 am Message-ID: > OK! - the Beehive, if you emerge from Brixton u/g turn right, just under the > railway bridge on your right. (Fast becoming the boc-l local!) 7 o'clock or > so. At least one of us'll be wearing a Nethawks shirt! I will appear in either Nethawks (US version) T-shirt or a Motorhead Bastards shirt (alas, I left my Ramones shirt in the US!) and omnipresent and very ragged black vest ... Cheers, Carl From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jan 23 09:20:06 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 14:20:06 +0000 Subject: Conv w/ Bolle / Q for Albert! In-Reply-To: <34052461DC0@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: With regard to comments about `On the Lam' and TR&tB, they played the latter in London last month ( - oh yes - ) but I had the idea that tR&tB was a version of `Lam' worked up for live performance, and then put on Tyranny and Mutation because it sounded so damn good. But I could be way off. Correct me somebody! JAZZA From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 23 09:47:13 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:47:13 -0500 Subject: Mike Watt single Message-ID: Looks like my machine is alive and well again . . . Carl asked a few days ago about the Mike Watt CD single I had which had "Dominance and Submission" on it. The import single that I have (it has a sticker saying "Made in Sweden -- Bin # 10841" on it) is a Sony/Columbia release: COL 661497 2 which has the following tracks and credits (note the incorrect credit for "Dominance and Submission" - this was presumably fixed on the "E-Ticket Ride" CD single released in the US): Piss-Bottle Man (Watt) Dominance and Submission (Watt) Big Train (Kinman - Kinman) One other note: on the CD itself, "Made in Austria" is printed along the border, along with the "all rights reserved - unauthorized duplication yada yada yada ... stuff. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 23 10:07:23 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:07:23 EST Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: > Yes, Allen was probably gone -- I saw "3OC" (Buck, Eric, Joe) in Boston > in the fall of '85 when they started previewing tunes from Club Ninja > (got to hear "Wings of Mercury" then too) - Tommy Zvoncheck was playing > keys at that time. > > John John, Was Thommy Price on drums, or was that just for the recording of CN? Did he ever tour with BOC? I saw a club date on that tour, previewing CN. In addition to 'Mercury,' they did another song whose name escapes me that was promised to be on the album that turned out to be CN. Anyway, that tune didn't make it to the album, either. Do you know the title of that song? Also, both it and 'Mercury' were better than most of the stuff on 'Ninja.' Any ideas why they didn't make it to the record? theo From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Tue Jan 23 10:32:37 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:32:37 EST Subject: BRAIN: A call to all Brain Surgeons fans/ Review Message-ID: I hope we can have some impact on the publications. Some exposure for the BS' would be nice. Re: My impression of BS', so far. I got the COC package. (trep , epo, COC) I have a few favorites from ea. album. LIke "If You Come Close" from Trep best. Also like Hansel N Gretal,Everythign is Blue, Mad Dude, I play the Drums, and the guitar work of "1,000 guitars". COF from COC tape was a nice surprise, a real collector item. I think Al has lots of range and NRG. (Dont look to have aged too much from the pix) I like when Al gives lead vocals and Deb & rest provide the background harmonies. Not vice versa. Deb's vox reminds me of Johnette Napolitano's (Concrete Blonde). I think Deb has much more than a screamer rock vox. She shows flashes of it here and there. Al has definitely taken a turn from the BOC work he'd done. I rather hoped BS would be closer to the BOC style of "Death Valley Nights", though, deep down I knew that wasn't gonna happen. There's not much similarity IMO. The production of the CD's was first class. Much more than I expected. I thought being a home spun product it'd be somehow less well done. RR From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Jan 23 10:44:46 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:44:46 GMT Subject: Ramones (was Re: BOC: Radio Birdman) Message-ID: > > >>We meet a pub nearby for a Lager obviously! Which one Andy? > > > >>Paul > > > >Post it to the list - I'll see y'all there! > > OK! - the Beehive, if you emerge from Brixton u/g turn right, just under the > railway bridge on your right. (Fast becoming the boc-l local!) 7 o'clock or > so. At least one of us'll be wearing a Nethawks shirt! > > - Andy > I should be there, if I get a ticket. Look for someone who looks like me, but has short hair now (if that makes sense). I'll probably wear a Stereolab t-shirt which is blue with silver writing. bye - Rob From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Jan 23 10:44:24 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:44:24 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: A call to all Brain Surgeons fans In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:53:49 GMT." Message-ID: Carl writes - > Can anyone supply a list of publications known to have already > covered tBS (though if they only looked at _Eponymous_ I suppose we > should force them at gunpoint to look at _Trepanation_ as well :) ? > Also, does anyone have a list of addresses of publications > we can contact (besides the ones John has acquired)? For the UK, I suppose the rags like Kerrang!!! and Raw Power would be the best bet... > I suppose I should be doing my bit over 'ere in ol' Blighty ... Well I furnished Deb with the booking contact number for the Camden Underworld. Maybe we need to twist Mr Branson's arm for some cheap air fares next ;-) Cheers, Tim From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Tue Jan 23 15:28:49 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:28:49 U Subject: OFF : Tenuous link to both... Message-ID: Sorry about this - thought someone out there might be able to help. Link goes like this... 1. Michael Moorcock has written for both BOC and HW. 2. Rodney Matthews has done several paintings based on themes found in MM books. 3. RM also painted several covers for (now defunct) Top Brummie pomp band Magnum (Storytellers Night, Chase the Dragon, Eleventh Hour etc). 4. Does anyone know of any Magnum pages / lists out there? Cheers, Rich. ** Supercalifragelisticborussiamonchengladbach ** From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Tue Jan 23 11:36:21 1996 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:36:21 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: A call to all Brain Surgeons fans Message-ID: >Carl writes - > >> Can anyone supply a list of publications known to have already >> covered tBS (though if they only looked at _Eponymous_ I suppose we >> should force them at gunpoint to look at _Trepanation_ as well :) ? >> Also, does anyone have a list of addresses of publications >> we can contact (besides the ones John has acquired)? > >For the UK, I suppose the rags like Kerrang!!! and Raw Power would be the >best bet... > Dont try Raw its now an Indy mag, covering Oasis & Blur, Yuck. I I I ---- 0 ---- I - I -- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 23 12:39:44 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:39:44 -0500 Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: No, Jimmy Wilcox was the concert drummer after Downey left (not counting Albert's two week stint in early '85 as strictly a hired hand). Thommy Price was only a studio drummer for BOC. As far as another CN-era song that wasn't put on an album (a la "Wings of Mercury"), well, you got me there. Do you remember anything in particular about it (lyrics?)? "Wings of Mercury", according to Bolle wasn't put on the album because it was thought to be somewhat simplistic (yeah, I know - like "Beat 'em Up" wasn't?), and they apparently didn't want another leather biker type song (at least not for Club Ninja - probably along the lines of trying to make the album more "commercial"). Oh well - I would've liked to have seen them keep "Wings of Mercury". O On a side note, with the prevalence of bikers at many of their club gigs these days, it'd be interesting to see BOC do a whole "biker set" - adding such numbers as "Wings of Mercury", "Feel The Thunder", "Golden Age of Leather", and "Born to be Wild", among others. John From zsoldos at OGYALLA.KONKOLY.HU Tue Jan 23 13:49:47 1996 From: zsoldos at OGYALLA.KONKOLY.HU (Endre Zsoldos) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 19:49:47 +0100 Subject: OFF : Tenuous link to both... Message-ID: Richard Lockwood wrote: >Sorry about this - thought someone out there might be able to help. >Link goes like this... >1. Michael Moorcock has written for both BOC and HW. >2. Rodney Matthews has done several paintings based on themes found in MM >books. They have a book published by Dragon's World: it's called "Elric at the End of Time" with a lot of Rod Matthews illustrations. Cheers, Endre From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 23 13:44:51 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 13:44:51 EST Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: > As far as another CN-era song that wasn't put on an album (a la "Wings of > Mercury"), well, you got me there. Do you remember anything in particular > about it (lyrics?)? "Wings of Mercury", according to Bolle wasn't put > on the album because it was thought to be somewhat simplistic (yeah, I > know - like "Beat 'em Up" wasn't?), and they apparently didn't want > another leather biker type song (at least not for Club Ninja - probably > along the lines of trying to make the album more "commercial"). Oh > well - I would've liked to have seen them keep "Wings of Mercury". O > > On a side note, with the prevalence of bikers at many of their club gigs > these days, it'd be interesting to see BOC do a whole "biker set" - > adding such numbers as "Wings of Mercury", "Feel The Thunder", "Golden > Age of Leather", and "Born to be Wild", among others. > > John John, I can't remember much about the other CN-reject, but I did hear it at least once. BOC actually played 'Mercury' at a gig just after CN's release, even though they nixed it from the album! I saw them twice in a brief span. Once about six months before CN came out, where they played 'Mercury' and the other tune, and then once 'supporting' CN. I take it 'Mercury' is another biker tune akin to 'Feel the Thunder?' Are the lyrics in the FAQ or the volume available from the fan club? A biker set would be, ahem, killer! theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 23 15:23:19 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:23:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: Wings of Mercury lyrics Message-ID: No, the FAQ doesn't have any song lyrics, but as I recall, some of the lines were: Spittin' fire and burnin' leather - I've been on the road forever . . . Yeah lookout down the line - I'm gonna get what's mine. Lookout I'm runnin' free - ridin' the wings of Mercury. There's others that might be more akin to bikers -- gotta go home and spin my "Into the Crypts of Rays" CD . . . John From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Jan 23 15:32:11 1996 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (joel wendrow) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:32:11 -0800 Subject: BOC song samples Message-ID: Hi everyone, I was looking through the web last night when I came across a site that has many BOC song samples. It is a music store called World Wide Music. Now I haven't purchaced anything but I have DL'ed a number of cuts and they sound pretty good. So if you are of the mind to hear some BOC check it out. The url is http://www.worldwidemusic.com and then search for BOC under metal (I think). They Say the West is Nice This Time of Year Joel From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Jan 23 16:25:42 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 08:25:42 +1100 Subject: Ramones (was Re: BOC: Radio Birdman) Message-ID: On 23 Jan 96 Andy Gilham wrote about Ramones (was Re: BOC: Radio Birdman: > OK! - the Beehive, if you emerge from Brixton u/g turn right, just under the > railway bridge on your right. (Fast becoming the boc-l local!) 7 o'clock or > so. At least one of us'll be wearing a Nethawks shirt! I'll be in my (UK) Nethawks T-shirt ... under something to keep me warm ;^) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From donnell at EPX.CIS.UMN.EDU Tue Jan 23 18:19:44 1996 From: donnell at EPX.CIS.UMN.EDU (donnell at EPX.CIS.UMN.EDU) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 17:19:44 -0600 Subject: test Message-ID: Testing newly changed digest and repro options. No relevant content here. From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Jan 23 18:45:35 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:45:35 -0700 Subject: Imaginos post mortem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, Hardman DK wrote: > > Dave: > > > > Actually, Joe WAS still with the band for the UK leg of that tour. > > CN was released in the Fall of 1985, and BOC embarked on the UK tour > > in November and December of 1985. The band returned to the States and > > played the Ritz in NYC on New Year's Eve 1986. > > Gee, the ol' memory is starting to go! That sucks! But I'm sure it was > 3OC that played that gig -- so am I right in thinking that Allen was out > of the band at that time? > > Dave > Dave; Yes, sir, you are correct. Allen left the band in early 1985, at about the same time Rick Downey left the band. Regards, Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed Jan 24 12:41:19 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:41:19 EST Subject: HW: Stonehenge 77 In-Reply-To: <199601221649.RAA10489@exit.ruhr.de>; from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Jan 22, 96 05:49:10 pm Message-ID: > > Hello > > >What about "Cake out",I believe this was recorded at Stonehenge '77,it > >certainly sounds circa '77 HW,I only wish it was longer :-) lots of blanga. > > I am 99 % sure that it was NOT recorded at STONEHENGE but during a studion > session like VALIUM 10 or DOUGLAS IN THE JUNGLE.......... > > > Cheers > Bernhard > It might be from a studio session ,but it definately sounds like Brock,Shaw,King and House.The bass is totally different to the style on valium 10 etc,and the keyboards are reminiscent of damnation alley.I remember that the info sheets given by wolden studios about releases,put it recorded at stonehenge 77. Although I wrote to Brian Tawn many moons ago re:Spirit of the age from F+R 2, which states it was recorded in Chicago ?,when it sounds like the weird tape from stonehenge.He reply was that Brock sometimes forgets where certain things were recorded,so its not always what it states on the lp covers etc. I also had a look at Dec Mojo and saw the review and photo of Mr tree,the revie w is just like any music rag review of hawkwind,but at least they put the tracklist down which I think is a good idea. regards Marty From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Jan 24 00:27:21 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:27:21 -0500 Subject: test Message-ID: Here you buddy, situation normal AFU :-) M From TheQuail at CTHULHU.MICROSERVE.COM Wed Jan 24 01:12:34 1996 From: TheQuail at CTHULHU.MICROSERVE.COM (The Great Quail) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 01:12:34 -0500 Subject: [hw] cover project update Message-ID: Hey Grohe! I got back from AZ - real fun time. Forgive me for being breif, but I have a zillion letters to answer. Jeff is doing good - we had a great time. It was good to see him. He showed us some footage from his new movie, "Cut-Up" which looked pretty nifty. He said hi and all that rot. By the way - I noticed I was not on your list for HW cover tapes. I assume the Computer told you to Delete me, but you need Form Alpha Alpha 77 Zed stroke 6 b before you can remove my name, buster. I know the rules! Allen ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail | TheQuail at cthulhu.microserve.com riverrun Discordian Society | AOL: LordArioch c/o Allen Ruch | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: 315 Second Street | http://www.microserve.com/~thequail Enola, PA 17025 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Jan 24 21:37:18 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:37:18 -1000 Subject: OFF: Radio Birdman Oz gigs and interview Message-ID: >Peter, >Thanks for posting such a great article. Is there any word as to >whether Birdman will in fact record any new material? Denniz sounds >somewhat doubtful. Has his opinion changed. Also, do you know if >the Birdman stuff, remastered, will be available in the U.S. or just >Australia? Also, the article was obviously written by a real >fanatic. Was Birdman in fact as popular as Simon believes? >theo I passed these questions on to Tony, and he composed this message for the list. Pete. Hi all, Just a quick follow up to the last posting re a few queries. I'd say it's possible that there would be enough material between the guys to get an album together. Tek has already put out a couple of solo efforts, both reviewed very well, too. Actually someone should do this guy's story. Phantom fighter pilot, doctor, and geetar player extraordinaire. Rob Younger and the others may well have material also. I think they may have aired a couple of newies at the gig on Friday night. Sounded pretty strong to me. Whether or not they can get it together enough to handle the studio trip remains to be seen Birdman were always very big in Europe so it's possible that their remastered material may well be distributed through points far from Oz. I'd say in the U.S. your eager-to-please music shops should be able to get their stuff for you. If not, find someone somewhere who can. Radio Birdman have become Oz rock legends. Sometimes legends are built around myths, distortion, or just plain bullshit. In the late 70s when these guys were in full flight their gigs attracted a lot of attention. They were a fairly attractive alternative to disco, glam, and big-barn rock concerts. Their gigs were often sparsely separated, so punters had to go out of their way to catch them. And when they did it was usually a BIG event. Live, RB are impossible to ignore. There's just too much energy. You gotta move. And that's one of the main reasons why they were, and remain, so popular. I'm 43, and I was banging my head with the best of them the other night (er, I draw the line at crowd surfing, though). But they're a musician's band, too. I mean, they can play. I urge you to check 'em out one way or another. They are legend. Catch ya, Tony ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Jan 24 06:25:47 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 06:25:47 -0500 Subject: HW cd's Message-ID: I have a question for the Hawkfans who are far more knowledgeable then I am concerning collectibility of some cd's. I recently ran across some cd's that I understand to be some what obscure. Are these hard to find now? And are the prices reasonable to pay for these? 1. Masters of the Universe ( import ) $21.98 2. Hawklords Live $21.98 3. Undisclosed File Addendum $13.98 4. California Brainstorm $13.98 Also I noticed on my cd of HotMG, the level seems somewhat low, and it sounds as if it were recorded from old unmastered tapes. There is an import version of this for $21.98. Is this any better quality than the domestic release? Thanks, Duane -- " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Jan 24 08:20:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 08:20:00 EST Subject: HW: Re - cd's Message-ID: >1. Masters of the Universe ( import ) $21.98 Supposed to be released on Griffin, mine is still on order, but I think some have sighted it. Price is around $14 for the domestic. >2. Hawklords Live $21.98 Got mine from RPM records for $13, has a $5.99 sticker on it from some record store. Very different sound (vocals as bad as Ron Tree?) - probably a collectors only disc. >3. Undisclosed File Addendum $13.98 Pretty available and at that price. I like it. Seems a direct copy of the vinyl since "Ghost Dance" starts with some surface clicks. 4. California Brainstorm $13.98 Same as #3 on availability and price. Another one to own. Rudy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 24 08:23:52 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 08:23:52 EST Subject: OFF: Radio Birdman Oz gigs and interview Message-ID: > I passed these questions on to Tony, and he composed this message for the list. > Pete. > > > Hi all, > > Just a quick follow up to the last posting re a few queries. I'd say it's > possible that there would be enough material between the guys to get an > album together. Tek has already put out a couple of solo efforts, both > reviewed very well, too. Actually someone should do this guy's story. > Phantom fighter pilot, doctor, and geetar player extraordinaire. Rob > Younger and the others may well have material also. I think they may have > aired a couple of newies at the gig on Friday night. Sounded pretty strong > to me. Whether or not they can get it together enough to handle the studio > trip remains to be seen > > Tony Peter/Tony Thanks again for more Birdman stuff. Does anyone know the titles of Deniz' solo recordings? Are they strictly Oz or can they be had in the states? theo > Peter Sondergeld > p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 24 08:33:19 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 08:33:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: Wings of Mercury lyrics Message-ID: A few more bits of lyrics from Wings of Mercury that I could pick up: Sparklin steel and ... Red light baby, and out of sight Fire in her eyes and wind in her hair. Animal ... and animal stare Clock strikes twelve I'm layin' it down . . . John From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Jan 24 08:57:10 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 08:57:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Radio Birdman Oz gigs and interview Message-ID: >Thanks again for more Birdman stuff. Does anyone know the titles of >Deniz' solo recordings? Are they strictly Oz or can they be had in >the states? >theo I've an interesting French compilation of various stuff (Angie Pepper, TV Smith, Dust and the Rotorheads) called _Orphan Tracks_ (as by Tek). Variable quality, only occasionally sounds like RB. (ObBOC - track "Last Chance" includes lyric "Went out in the desert night/To the Four Winds Bar & Grill".) There's also an Oz-only CD, _Take it to the Vertical_ [1992], which I've not heard (it's about twenty quid as an import), and there was supposed to be an album in '94 or so (but I've never seen it). Then there's all the Visitors, New Race, etc stuff. I've got a not-quite-up-to-date RB-&-relations discography which I can e-mail you off list if you like? - Andy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 09:09:48 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:09:48 +0000 Subject: HW: Re - cd's In-Reply-To: <3105A7C3@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Jan 24, 96 08:20:00 am Message-ID: > >2. Hawklords Live $21.98 > > Got mine from RPM records for $13, has a $5.99 sticker on it from some > record store. Very different sound (vocals as bad as Ron Tree?) - probably > a collectors only disc. A good document of the band's live form from that period, with some amusing stuff on it. But it does make you think that people claiming that Bob's vocals were infinitely superior to Ron's are suffering more from nostalgia than they realize ;) > 4. California Brainstorm $13.98 > Same as #3 on availability and price. Another one to own. Wicked live version of Out of the Shadows > Snake Dance > Night of the Hawks that is about worth the price of admission. If it only had violin from Simon House (as appears on the _Hawkwind Live_ video from the British leg of the tour) it would be truly amazing. The British version of this has a live version of "Images" tacked on. BTW, is this a different version than the one from the Italian lyric book CD? Cheers, Carl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 24 09:32:55 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:32:55 EST Subject: OFF: Radio Birdman Oz gigs and interview Message-ID: > >Thanks again for more Birdman stuff. Does anyone know the titles of > >Deniz' solo recordings? Are they strictly Oz or can they be had in > >the states? > >theo > > I've an interesting French compilation of various stuff (Angie Pepper, TV > Smith, Dust and the Rotorheads) called _Orphan Tracks_ (as by Tek). Variable > quality, only occasionally sounds like RB. (ObBOC - track "Last Chance" > includes lyric "Went out in the desert night/To the Four Winds Bar & Grill".) > There's also an Oz-only CD, _Take it to the Vertical_ [1992], which I've not > heard (it's about twenty quid as an import), and there was supposed to be an > album in '94 or so (but I've never seen it). > > Then there's all the Visitors, New Race, etc stuff. I've got a > not-quite-up-to-date RB-&-relations discography which I can e-mail you off > list if you like? > > - Andy Andy, Please do, and thanks in advance. Send it to: tojackso at hawk.syr.edu From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Wed Jan 24 09:53:55 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 08:53:55 -0600 Subject: HW: Re - cd's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > 4. California Brainstorm $13.98 > > Same as #3 on availability and price. Another one to own. > The British version of this has a live version of "Images" > tacked on. BTW, is this a different version than the one from the > Italian lyric book CD? > > Cheers, > Carl > what a bonus track on california brainstorm UK!! AHHH these guys are trying to bankrupt me for sure just got independant days and found it only had a couple versions of tracks i didn't have already- mike psyche From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 10:05:25 1996 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 15:05:25 +0000 Subject: off: (but hw-ish) strange things afoot Message-ID: a bizarre chains of events started by this very list have left me pondering the wheels that turn within wheels... a couple of days ago i noted jill recommending in the beginning to, i think, rudich. "Ah, yes," thought i, "verily a blangafest", but mournfulness o'ertook me as i remembered my parting with said plastic wheel. In sadder days when various, uh, debts habitually ate my dole i was once forced to sell a hefty chunk of vinyl to a shop in london. Long since have i sought this lost treasure. Then jill's post put me in mind to trawl the shops of derby, and LO! This morning did i find that lost disc for the pauperly sum 3.99ukp. Not so strange as yet, but, removing inner from outer, my hair did stand on the back of my neck and a chill northern gust did stir my beating heart; on that otherwise blank square of paper, my loping scrawl i did spy. The very disc i had parted with, some six summers since was returned to my trembling hand..... Strange is the fate of those that follow the Hawk yuri From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Jan 24 10:32:28 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 15:32:28 GMT Subject: HW: Re - cd's In-Reply-To: Michael P Mccollum's message of Wed, 24 Jan 1996 08:53:55 -0600 Message-ID: > > The British version of this has a live version of "Images" > > what a bonus track on california brainstorm UK!! I thought this was the Griffin boxed set version. I assume that this version of Images is the same as or similar to the version on the 1990 US video. Not bad, but the lack of Simon's violin makes it not as good as the studio version. California Brainstorm is definitely worth it, IMO. Out Of The Shadows/ /Snake Dance/Night Of The Hawks is the high point, but it also includes an excellent version of Reefer Madness with Bridget on vocals. The versions of TV Suicide and Back In The Box are better than the studio versions, IMO, although some (many?) people might get pissed off with Harvey's burblings. There's a killer riff in the middle of Back In The Box, with Bridget chanting "Feed Your Brain" over it for 20 seconds or so. Dave. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Jan 24 10:52:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 10:52:00 EST Subject: HW: Re - cd's oops Message-ID: >>1. Masters of the Universe ( import ) $21.98 >Supposed to be released on Griffin, mine is still on order, but I think some have >sighted it. Price is around $14 for the domestic. Sorry, about that, I have _Mighty Hawkwind Classics_ on my mind. Off the top of my head I don't know which of the 3 Masters releases this is. Below is a recent commentary from \\joe on the three versions. Rudy {the first one was the second HW compilation (the first was _Roadhawks_) which was out on vinyl back in 1977. The cover had an excellent artwork, and among the tracks is "It's so easy" which appears for the first time on an album. This was later reissued on EMI/Fame as a CD. the second in this series was a (Marble Arch) compilation, based on the three _Anthology_ albums and _Levitation. The cover is one of the most uninspired HW covers of all times, far beyond the avant garde of _...Yuri Gagarin_, the pubertal comics on the _Friday Rock Show_ or even the Short Circuit of _Early Daze_. There's no need at all to buy this CD, if you're not a *seriously* demented HawkFan. the third _Masters of the Universe_ was seen as a CD 1992 (on the label Thunderbolt), and it was almost the same as the 1985 vinyl _In the Beginning_. It had the same sleeve, but a new name. Also the LP sides was swapped, so what was side B on the vinyl had now been the beginning on the '92 CD. _In the Beginning_ was the first LP of the double vinyl _Text of Festival_, which was the LP without their famous jam session "Sound... Shouldn't... Improvise... Compromise... Reprise" \\joe } From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 24 11:01:22 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 11:01:22 EST Subject: off: lost vinyl returns to its homeland Message-ID: > a couple of days ago i noted jill recommending in the beginning to, i think, > rudich. "Ah, yes," thought i, "verily a blangafest", but mournfulness > o'ertook me as i remembered my parting with said plastic wheel. In sadder > days when various, uh, debts habitually ate my dole i was once forced to > sell a hefty chunk of vinyl to a shop in london. Long since have i sought > this lost treasure. Then jill's post put me in mind to trawl the shops of derby, > and LO! This morning did i find that lost disc for the pauperly sum 3.99ukp. > > Not so strange as yet, but, removing inner from outer, my hair did stand on > the back of my neck and a chill northern gust did stir my beating heart; on > that otherwise blank square of paper, my loping scrawl i did spy. > > The very disc i had parted with, some six summers since was returned to > my trembling hand..... > > Strange is the fate of those that follow the Hawk > > yuri Yuri, This is pretty strange indeed. Just last thursday, I wandered into the local used vinyl shop and found one of my old records that I sold in a fit of insanity many years ago--at least ten years ago, in fact. Now it wasn't anything rare or especially desirable (Montrose's first album) but to come upon a record with your own initials staring out at you from the corner after all these years is pretty wild! theo From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Jan 24 11:21:59 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:21:59 GMT Subject: HW: Re - cd's In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Wed, 24 Jan 1996 08:20:00 EST Message-ID: > >3. Undisclosed File Addendum $13.98 > > Pretty available and at that price. I like it. I gave my copy away. It's a very raw sound, which I expected for the 1984 tracks, but the 1989 tracks are no better. Coded Languages includes a bit of Nik being a prat, although he makes up for it on Damned By The Curse Of Man, which is excellent. Other than that, I thought the playing, singing, and choice of tracks was uninspired. Dave. From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 10:52:05 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 15:52:05 GMT Subject: OFF : Tenuous link to both... Message-ID: Richard Lockwood wrote: > 3. RM also painted several covers for (now defunct) Top Brummie pomp band > Magnum (Storytellers Night, Chase the Dragon, Eleventh Hour etc). What! Magnum defunct? Are you sure? I guess that if I read the music papers I'd find out about these things but I'd need to have half my brain and most of my pride removed first. I seem to remember seeing a Magnum gig listed in the Guardian quite recently (Wolverhampton just before Xmas IIRC) > 4. Does anyone know of any Magnum pages / lists out there? No, but if you've got www access try: http://www.indiana.edu/misc/music_resources.html Which seems to index anything musical you could wish to know about (interestingly except Hawkwind....) or try a search at yahoo or lycos. I'm not really sad or anything - I just happen to a) like Magnum and b) know about some of this 'net stuff. Honest. And I've made a down-payment on a life..... :-) Chris From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 11:12:45 1996 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:12:45 GMT Subject: HW: Re - cd's Message-ID: >On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > >> > 4. California Brainstorm $13.98 >> > Same as #3 on availability and price. Another one to own. > >> The British version of this has a live version of "Images" >> tacked on. BTW, is this a different version than the one from the >> Italian lyric book CD? >> >> Cheers, >> Carl >> >what a bonus track on california brainstorm UK!! >AHHH these guys are trying to bankrupt me for sure >just got independant days and found it only had a couple versions of >tracks i didn't have already- >mike psyche That's one of the great things about collecting HW you never run out of stuff to get... Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. --------------------------------------------- From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 11:58:54 1996 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:58:54 +0000 Subject: OFF : Tenuous link to both... Message-ID: >Richard Lockwood wrote: > >> 3. RM also painted several covers for (now defunct) Top Brummie pomp band >> Magnum (Storytellers Night, Chase the Dragon, Eleventh Hour etc). > >What! Magnum defunct? Are you sure? I guess that if I read the >music papers I'd find out about these things but I'd need to >have half my brain and most of my pride removed first. I seem >to remember seeing a Magnum gig listed in the Guardian quite >recently (Wolverhampton just before Xmas IIRC) Yup, they played their last gig in January I think. I I I ---- 0 ---- I - I -- From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Jan 24 12:34:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:34:00 EST Subject: BS: Brain Surgeons fans Rise - 1 true story Message-ID: Saw this following note on another music list. The writer didn't mention where he saw this article. so I can't verify the claim. It does seem apropos. >On another note, score another victory for the masses. I just read an >article on the affect the internet has had on the music industry. It >seems the typical annual megaselling hit albums have been recording poor >sales this year. According to the article, this is attributed to more people >going in to record stores looking for little known releases they'd heard >about on the 'net. My story with BS. Prior to joining the list, I didn't think I'd heard of them and wasn't initially inclined to buy their music. The name of the band (which shouldn't matter) evoked thoughts that they were some loud, alternative type band that had 1 sound and all songs a variation on that. They were coming to town, so I bought the music based on the comments on this list and got ready to see a show. Live, they really got to me. When I heard "Language of Love" performed I realized that I had heard Oedipus play it on 'BCN many months ago. He even did a build up intro before he played it. At that time the mellow sound of it didn't fit the band name or the other music being played, so it didn't make any real impression. Nice, nothing else (now it is a favorite). Bolstered by the live event, I then spun the discs for the 1st time. What a range of sounds on the songs and very rich production. A level of sophistication that I never suspected would be there. Few current bands can match this range and polish. I've tried to get some friends interested in them, but they just didn't seem to want to bite. They also thought it was some loud band that I'd had too much to drink when I saw them. Played some songs and won them over. Seems the hearing is the key, but as mentioned above, repeated net notes have an impact. In addition to mentioning BS to various mags., it may help to bring them up regularly on other net forums. If someone gets curious, they may find they too are very pleasantly surprised and they will mention it on the same list, starting a chain reaction. Rudy From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 24 12:40:44 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:40:44 -0500 Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: Actually, Albert wasn't even treated as well as a hired hand-- they never paid him. From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Jan 24 13:09:20 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:09:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Stonehenge 77 Message-ID: Hello >Although I wrote to Brian Tawn many moons ago re:Spirit of the age from F+R 2, >which states it was recorded in Chicago ? They didn't play Quark on the 1978 US tour. They only played this track at the READING gig in August 1977 and I believe at STONEHENGE 1977 ttyl Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Jan 24 13:09:16 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:09:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Italian lyric book CD Message-ID: Hi there >>BTW, is this a different version than the one from the >>Italian lyric book CD? The Italian CD was recorded in LEICESTER, DE MONTFORD HALL on 05.November 1990 (except the last track) Bernhard From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 24 13:20:17 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:20:17 EST Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: > Actually, Albert wasn't even treated as well as a hired hand-- they never > paid him. That's pretty disgusting. Who is to blame for this? If it was management, I'd understand. But even so, I can't believe the rest of the band would be so crude to a person who contributed so much to the band over the years--to say nothing of Imaginos. Hell, Imaginos sounds like an Albert solo album to me; his contributions to it were that apparent. It just goes to show you that you shouldn't get to know too much about your heroes, for they'll often disappoint you by acting like regular mortals. If the band knew Albert was being shafted, they should have stood up and done the right thing. This is very depressing... theo From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 13:32:22 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:32:22 GMT Subject: HW: Undisclosed Files In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:21:59 GMT Message-ID: > > >3. Undisclosed File Addendum $13.98 > > > > Pretty available and at that price. I like it. > > I gave my copy away. It's a very raw sound, which I expected for the > 1984 tracks, but the 1989 tracks are no better. Coded Languages includes > a bit of Nik being a prat, although he makes up for it on Damned By The > Curse Of Man, which is excellent. Other than that, I thought the playing, > singing, and choice of tracks was uninspired. > I rather like this CD! I agree there's not much subtlety on it (with the exception of Curse Of Man and I'd have bought this album for that track alone) but they play most of the tracks really fast and it's a good live rock music of the Palace Springs type sound. The sound is, unfortunately, that of a "live recording" so it's by no means good studio quality, but I'm impressed by the energy of the tracks. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 13:39:12 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:39:12 GMT Subject: HW: Re - cd's In-Reply-To: Michael P Mccollum's message of Wed, 24 Jan 1996 08:53:55 -0600 Message-ID: > what a bonus track on california brainstorm UK!! > AHHH these guys are trying to bankrupt me for sure > just got independant days and found it only had a couple versions of > tracks i didn't have already- This is because they are beginning to issue CDs of vinyl that hasn't been available for years and, because of that, the tracks have all been issued on other compilations several times and long before these re-issues. I'm not quite sure just who are responsible for some of these re-issues but it can be a rip-off and it's sometimes worth checking codex entries before diving into some of the compilations. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 13:55:42 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:55:42 GMT Subject: HW cd's In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Wed, 24 Jan 1996 06:25:47 -0500 Message-ID: > I have a question for the Hawkfans who are far more knowledgeable then I > am concerning collectibility of some cd's. > I recently ran across some cd's that I understand to be some what obscure. > Are these hard to find now? And are the prices reasonable to pay for these? > 1. Masters of the Universe ( import ) $21.98 Avoid this until you've checked the tracklist. You may find that this is just a re-issue of a re-name of a re-issue. If, however, you find that it doesn't match *any* of the "Masters of the Universe" lists that are in the discography could you please let us know!!!! > 2. Hawklords Live $21.98 The not-quite-Hawkwind tour after the 1977 breakup and before the linkup with Arc (Ark?) at Barnstaple. Very interesting historically and if you are a Calvert collector but, again, it's live music sound quality rather than studio. The price seems a bit high - I'm sure they've been selling it for much less - but then there's a US version and a UK (Dojo) version - no difference in tracks, just colour on the sleeves so the price may be the UK import. > 3. Undisclosed File Addendum $13.98 Good, fast live sound. > 4. California Brainstorm $13.98 > Some good versions of recent tracks - again, live sound quality not studio. > Also I noticed on my cd of HotMG, the level seems somewhat low, and it sounds > as if it were recorded from old unmastered tapes. There is an import version > of this for $21.98. Is this any better quality than the domestic release? > I'm not sure. The first UK cd release was a long time ago now and if they *have* cleaned up the tapes then they've done it without obvious advertising of the fact. Short of playing them against each other I don't know if it's possible to say. Anyone? cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Jan 24 14:08:53 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 20:08:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour programms Message-ID: Hi there I am still looking for the tour programm from the QUARK 1977 tour If someone wants to swap it or sell, please e-mail me. I've got a lot of HAWKWIND stuff to swap Cheers Bernhard From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 14:09:15 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:09:15 GMT Subject: off: (but hw-ish) strange things afoot In-Reply-To: Yuri Gagarin's message of Wed, 24 Jan 1996 15:05:25 +0000 Message-ID: > a bizarre chains of events started by this very list have left me pondering > the wheels that turn within wheels... > > a couple of days ago i noted jill recommending in the beginning to, i think, > rudich. "Ah, yes," thought i, "verily a blangafest", but mournfulness > o'ertook me as i remembered my parting with said plastic wheel. In sadder > days when various, uh, debts habitually ate my dole i was once forced to > sell a hefty chunk of vinyl to a shop in london. Long since have i sought > this lost treasure. Then jill's post put me in mind to trawl the shops of derby, > and LO! This morning did i find that lost disc for the pauperly sum 3.99ukp. > Heh - but I have not done the very same! There's a fair amount of vinyl I would willingly now go in search of again..... I'm worried tho' that I find myself recommending "In The Beginning"! "Text of Festival" is excellent and ItB does have chunks of ToF in it (if I remember correctly), but I didn't realise I'd quite gone that far! Clearly beginning to lose it here..... > Not so strange as yet, but, removing inner from outer, my hair did stand on > the back of my neck and a chill northern gust did stir my beating heart; on > that otherwise blank square of paper, my loping scrawl i did spy. > > The very disc i had parted with, some six summers since was returned to > my trembling hand..... > 2nd hand books have this wierd habit of returning as well! > Strange is the fate of those that follow the Hawk > Yea the Hawk watches all. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 14:14:47 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:14:47 GMT Subject: Hawkwind dates Message-ID: It'd be useful to have a list of Hawkwind tracks and records that were recorded at live gigs and where and on what date. If we also had approximate recording dates for the studio stuff then it'd help to keep it straight which versions of which tracks preceded which other versions. If people want to post info I'll build a file. Certainly right now it'd be useful to have the order of Palace Springs, California Brainstorm, the Italian CD and the Damnation Alley CD. FoFP From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 24 15:31:25 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 15:31:25 -0500 Subject: off: lost vinyl returns to its homeland Message-ID: It's obviously a trend. Now, has anyone found a longlost pile of money thrown away during a previous fit of insanity? From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Jan 24 16:41:20 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:41:20 GMT Subject: HW: Undisclosed Files Message-ID: > > > > >3. Undisclosed File Addendum $13.98 > > > > > > Pretty available and at that price. I like it. > > > > I gave my copy away. It's a very raw sound, which I expected for the > > 1984 tracks, but the 1989 tracks are no better. Coded Languages includes > > a bit of Nik being a prat, although he makes up for it on Damned By The > > Curse Of Man, which is excellent. Other than that, I thought the playing, > > singing, and choice of tracks was uninspired. > > > > I rather like this CD! I agree there's not much subtlety on it > (with the exception of Curse Of Man and I'd have bought this album > for that track alone) but they play most of the tracks really fast and > it's a good live rock music of the Palace Springs type sound. The > sound is, unfortunately, that of a "live recording" so it's by no > means good studio quality, but I'm impressed by the energy of the > tracks. > > jill I agree, Watching the Grass Grow is excellent and it's got my favourite version of Masters of the Universe with some shit hot bass playing on it. I could do without the Chronicles stuff though. bye - Rob From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 17:08:51 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:08:51 +0000 Subject: Imaginos post mortem In-Reply-To: <36E5B597C95@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Jan 24, 96 01:20:17 pm Message-ID: > > Actually, Albert wasn't even treated as well as a hired hand-- they never > > paid him. > > It just goes to show you that you shouldn't get to > know too much about your heroes, for they'll often disappoint you by > acting like regular mortals. If the band knew Albert was being > shafted, they should have stood up and done the right thing. This is > very depressing... Heck, it was the band that shafted him more or less. The music industry is a wonderful place, full of goodwill ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 17:09:55 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:09:55 +0000 Subject: HW: Italian lyric book CD In-Reply-To: <199601241809.TAA00285@exit.ruhr.de> from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Jan 24, 96 07:09:16 pm Message-ID: > >>BTW, is this a different version than the one from the > >>Italian lyric book CD? > The Italian CD was recorded in LEICESTER, DE MONTFORD HALL on > 05.November 1990 (except the last track) So is the "Images" on _California Brainstorm_ actually from the same show as the rest of the material on the _CB_ disc, or is it from the Italian CD? Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 17:11:57 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:11:57 +0000 Subject: BS: Brain Surgeons fans Rise - 1 true story In-Reply-To: <3105E345@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Jan 24, 96 12:34:00 pm Message-ID: > In addition to mentioning BS to various mags., it may help to bring them up > regularly on other net forums. If someone gets curious, they may find they > too are very pleasantly surprised and they will mention it on the same list, > starting a chain reaction. And when mentioning tBS on the net (or anywhere, but especially the net) be sure to mention the tBS WWW homepage: http://www.NovPapyrus.com/bs/ An easy way to get netheads to check it out in detail, since its only a few clicks away .... :) Cheers, Carl From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Jan 24 17:36:25 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 17:36:25 -0500 Subject: off: lost vinyl returns to its homeland Message-ID: >Yuri, >This is pretty strange indeed. Just last thursday, I wandered into >the local used vinyl shop and found one of my old records that I sold >in a fit of insanity many years ago--at least ten years ago, in fact. >Now it wasn't anything rare or especially desirable (Montrose's first >album) but to come upon a record with your own initials staring out >at you from the corner after all these years is pretty wild! >theo > > Yes, but what we really want to know is, did you buy it? Duane -- " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Jan 24 17:46:18 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 17:46:18 -0500 Subject: NYE Cover tape Message-ID: The name of the HW tribute band that played before F/i is Sun Machine. They will have an encore performance with a HW album exhibit on Feb. 16, 1996 at the Phantasy Theatre in Lakewood, Ohio. Tickets are $7.00 at the door, day of the show. Duane -- " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 17:45:35 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:45:35 +0000 Subject: OFF : Tenuous link to both... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, Richard Lockwood wrote: > 2. Rodney Matthews has done several paintings based on themes found in MM > books. Does anyone know if there's a Rodney Matthews site? I have The Granite Curtain on my wall: excellent stuff... JAZZA From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Jan 24 18:37:09 1996 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (joel wendrow) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 15:37:09 -0800 Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: You wrote: > >> Actually, Albert wasn't even treated as well as a hired hand-- they never >> paid him. > >That's pretty disgusting. Who is to blame for this? If it was >management, I'd understand. But even so, I can't believe the rest of >the band would be so crude to a person who contributed so much to the >band over the years--to say nothing of Imaginos. Hell, Imaginos >sounds like an Albert solo album to me; his contributions to it were >that apparent. It just goes to show you that you shouldn't get to >know too much about your heroes, for they'll often disappoint you by >acting like regular mortals. If the band knew Albert was being >shafted, they should have stood up and done the right thing. This is >very depressing... >theo > Hi, I hope all is well. Sorry but I just couldn't help but reply to this line of reasoning. You weren't there when these things happened (nor I) and therfore couldn't possibly know what circumstances led to the final outcome. My point is if you weren't there you don't know the facts so you shouldn't be bashing people or events you know nothing about. No offence intended. Open forum and all that..... Joel From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Wed Jan 24 20:34:54 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 20:34:54 -0500 Subject: Conv w/ Bolle / Q for Albert! Message-ID: Sorry to be posting so late to this thread but I have to decide each day now whether to check out my boc-l or work on the new tunes. I guess you know what I usually pick. >>6. Bolle is working on an article for GOLDMINE on BOC's history. Rumor >>has it that it will appear sometime during the last days of may. > >kewl... This guy who's writing it is Don Roeser's cousin (Steve) and he's really trying to do a good job. I'm supposed to talk to him soon. >and finally, Eric mentioned at a gig that "we haven't played that (I'm on The >Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep) in 18 yrs" which would've been 1977...or was he >just blowin' smoke? From asking the ones with the most extensive live tape blowing smoke I'd say. >collections, Sheep has yet to turn up on any live tapes...this would be a Q >directed to Herr Bouchard, who had played with the band since its >incarnation...I have a feeling that this song was never played live, and was >already reworked as the Red and the Black on the Bootleg EP...or, was the Red >and The Black reworked as Sheep for the debut album? No and no. We played 'Lamb' on the Alice Cooper, Spirit, Mahavishnu and James Gang tours in 1972 and it evolved into the Red & Black arangement. The final stroke was rewriting the chorus and then we rerecorded it on Tyranny. Al From des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM Wed Jan 24 20:52:51 1996 From: des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM (E F) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 20:52:51 -0500 Subject: Conv w/ Bolle / Q for Albert! In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Jan 24, 96 08:34:54 pm Message-ID: Albert Bouchard replied: > >collections, Sheep has yet to turn up on any live tapes...this would be a Q > >directed to Herr Bouchard, who had played with the band since its > >incarnation...I have a feeling that this song was never played live, and was > >already reworked as the Red and the Black on the Bootleg EP...or, was the Red > >and The Black reworked as Sheep for the debut album? > > No and no. We played 'Lamb' on the Alice Cooper, Spirit, Mahavishnu and > James Gang tours in 1972 and it evolved into the Red & Black arangement. > The final stroke was rewriting the chorus and then we rerecorded it on > Tyranny. > Al OK, let me get this straight...Alice Cooper, Spirit, Mahavishnu Orcherstra, The James Gang and BOC!!! Now that's what I call eclectic! Wish I was there, but I was only 7 years old at the time. Just out of curiosity where was BOC on the bill? How come no one puts together this type of a mix in the line up anymore? --EF From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Wed Jan 24 21:39:15 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:39:15 -0500 Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: Theo wrote: >>acting like regular mortals. If the band knew Albert was being >>shafted, they should have stood up and done the right thing. This is >>very depressing... Knew about it?!! They (well, Eric & Schenck at least) were behind it! Then Joel puts $.02 in: >I hope all is well. Sorry but I just couldn't help but reply to this >line of reasoning. You weren't there when these things happened (nor I) >and therfore couldn't possibly know what circumstances led to the final >outcome. At the time I thought I was following the path of passive nonresistance. I wanted to prove that I had changed and that I wasn't a drug crazed lunatic anymore. Now I just feel like I was a sucker...."experiments that failed......" >My point is if you weren't there you don't know the facts so you >shouldn't be bashing people or events you know nothing about. No >offence intended. Open forum and all that..... And how does anyone know anything was/is the truth? Might as well be completely cynical, Doubting Thomases all. REALITY CHECK If these guys didn't have almost monthly chances to resolve things with me I'd have more respect for them. I don't want to rejoin BOC, I'd just like them to act like men/adults for once. Al From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jan 24 22:08:27 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:08:27 -0500 Subject: NYE Cover tape In-Reply-To: <199601242246.AA14054@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Jan 24, 96 05:46:18 pm Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > The name of the HW tribute band that played before F/i is Sun Machine. > They will have an encore performance with a HW album exhibit on Feb. > 16, 1996 at the Phantasy Theatre in Lakewood, Ohio. > Tickets are $7.00 at the door, day of the show. On a related note, may I beg an entry onto the HW tribute band tape tree??? I missed Scott's deadline, but would like to get a copy of this tape. Could someone below Scott in the tree add me to their list? E-mail me privately if so. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Santana, _Lotus_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jan 24 22:11:37 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:11:37 -0500 Subject: HW: Undisclosed Files In-Reply-To: <9601241832.aa08374@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Jan 24, 96 06:32:22 pm Message-ID: Jill writes: > it's a good live rock music of the Palace Springs type sound. The > sound is, unfortunately, that of a "live recording" so it's by no > means good studio quality, but I'm impressed by the energy of the > tracks. I was under the impression that _Undisclosed Files_ was originally released as an official bootleg by the band? (This would account for the non-pristine sound quality.) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Jan 24 23:58:31 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:58:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Re - cd's Message-ID: On 24-JAN-1996 09:31:28.2 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >by listserv.spc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA28140 for >; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:12:04 -0500 >Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6] (ident = root) >by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.0 #36) >id m0tf5tZ-000C0YC; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:09 +0000 (GMT) >Received: by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.29.0 #77) id >m0tf5tV-000DJLC; Wed, >24 Jan 1996 14:09 +0000 (GMT) >Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:09:48 +0000 >From: "Carl E. Anderson" >Subject: Re: HW: Re - cd's >In-reply-to: <3105A7C3 at volpegate.dot.gov> >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Message-id: >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] >Content-type: text >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >> >2. Hawklords Live $21.98 >> >> Got mine from RPM records for $13, has a $5.99 sticker on it from some >> record store. Very different sound (vocals as bad as Ron Tree?) - >probably >> a collectors only disc. >A good document of the band's live form from that period, with >some amusing stuff on it. But it does make you think that people >claiming that Bob's vocals were infinitely superior to Ron's are >suffering more from nostalgia than they realize ;) I can't understand why everyone is raggin' on Bob C's vocals. I think they almost always sounds good, and especially on this spontaneous live album...I think this is Bob at his best (of what I've heard). Chuck `[1;30;41mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jan 25 00:35:16 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 06:35:16 +0100 Subject: Off: Spacious Mind - HDD Error Message-ID: hi sorry to waste bandwidth with this, but... Got a Hard Disk Crash Saturday nigth - and no mail was left. I sent out a Spacious Mind / darXtar Update yesterday, but seems to have typed the wrong addresse for Rudy, Captain Cloud and Doug, as the mails to you bounced back. Say hello to me at hawkjoe at eka.ericsson.se and I'll try again. \\joe From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Jan 25 01:09:10 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 07:09:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Live record list Message-ID: Hi folks Here is a list of all HAWKWIND bootlegs and live records I hope this is helpful for some fans who are looking after some HAWKWIND live stuff. CD = Compact Disc, R = Record (vinyl) Bootleg name Recorded Source ================================================= Spacerock from London 28.09.1972 CD Live-St.Albans 08.12.1979 CD Orgasmatron different dates CD Dawn of Hawkwind different dates CD Rock City 16.11.1993 CD Kings Of Speed, LoL 08.10.1991 CD Nova Drive different dates CD Damnation Alley 04.10.1989 CD Live At Stonehenge 22.06.1983 R Cyberspace Conspiracy 25.01.1990 R Live At Watchf. and Stoneh. different dates R Assasind Of Allah different dates R Live at the Bottom Line 06.03.1978 R Mind Journey 10.08.1975 R Undisclosed Files 27.11.1984, ?.12.88 R Golden Void 19.10.1982 R Live Record name ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Live Chronicals 03.12.1985 CD+R California Brainstorm 16.12.1990 CD Italian CD 05.11.1990 CD Busines Trip 27.11.1993 CD+R Live 79 08.12.1979 CD+R Space Ritual 22 + 30.12.1972 CD+R Space Ritual II 30.12.1972 CD+R PXR5 29.09.1977 CD+R (3Tracks) Hall Of The MG 26.01.1974 CD+R (3 Tracks) Hawklords Live 24.11.1978 CD Text Of Festival 18.8.70 + 19.4.71 + 19.5.71 CD+R ================================================= Cheers Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jan 25 02:02:37 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 07:02:37 +0000 Subject: Imaginos post mortem In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Jan 24, 96 09:39:15 pm Message-ID: > >My point is if you weren't there you don't know the facts so you > >shouldn't be bashing people or events you know nothing about. No > >offence intended. Open forum and all that..... > > And how does anyone know anything was/is the truth? Might as well be > completely cynical, Doubting Thomases all. It's true that we who were not involved should, in theory, be unwilling to accept one side of any story--in a wholly objective world. On the other hand, Al has yet to sell me the Brooklyn Bridge ;) and as he's a very cool gentlemen I'm willing to accept his analysis of the situation. Besides which, it's all irrelevant. If Al _was_ still in BOC he'd probably be banging his head against the wall trying to pull them off the re-run circuit. Hey, I'd love to hear the original line-up kicking out the jams, and I still like to hear the current line-up perform even if I can guess the setlist without really trying. But I'm also real glad tBS are here and cranking out great new material, which they wouldn't be if Al was in BOC now. Maybe it would have been nice to get paid, or at the time to have rejoined the band (yeah, a triumphant stadium-packing Imaginos tour and stage show extravaganza would have been cool ;) but really it's one of those blessings in diguise. Count your blessings in disguise. (Hey, wait, _wicked_ lyric that. Where's my guitar? No, no! Its 7am and I've got a train to catch ....) Cheers, Carl From des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM Thu Jan 25 03:15:13 1996 From: des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM (E F) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 03:15:13 -0500 Subject: Wings of Mercury lyrics Message-ID: After much listening here is what I think are fairly accurate lyrics to Wings of Mercury. Personally, I wish they would record and perform this song it's just some kick ass plain 'ol rock and roll. I can do with out all of the "yeah"s though. --EF Wings Of Mercury Yeah spittin' Fire and Burning Leather Yeah I've been on the road forever Yeah sparklin' Steel on Saturday Night Yeah rev my baby out of sight Halleluya on down the line I'm gonna' get what's mine Look out I'm running free Riding the Wings Of Mercury Yeah fire in her eyes and wind in her hair Yeah animal grip and animal stare Yeah the clock strikes twelve I'm layin' it down Yeah right now baby I'm just hangin' around Halleluya on down the line I'm gonna' get what's mine Look out I'm running free Riding the Wings of Mercury Yeah time is the healer and the killer too, babe Yeah where are the sunsets I've been through Yeah I can wave my hand and cut you down Yeah don't look back till you hear that sound Halleluya on down the line I'm gonna' get what's mine Look out I'm running free Riding the Wings of Mercury From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Jan 25 04:43:36 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:43:36 +0000 Subject: Farewell from the Grinning Boy In-Reply-To: <199601250815.DAA26839@ritz.mordor.com> Message-ID: I spoke to Charlie Grant - aka Charles the Grinning Boy - last night, and sadly he's had his Internet access cut so cannot contribute to the list anymore. He works for a big pharmaceutical concern who are scared that evil hackers will steal all their secrets or give them viruses via the Internet. Anyway, Charlie says thanks for all the fun and good conversations, and if anyone wants to get hold of him his number is +44 01903 237240. If the Brain Surgeons are likely to be in the New England area in June could any dates be posted here a.s.a.p. as Charlie will be over in the States about that time. Obviously Charlie can't maintain the Directory anymore, so are there any volunteers to keep that going? Dave Hardman From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Jan 25 06:30:31 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:30:31 GMT Subject: HW: Live record list In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 25 Jan 1996 07:09:10 +0100 Message-ID: > Here is a list of all HAWKWIND bootlegs and live records Bernard, I think this is missing some: Zones (some tracks) Out And Intake (some tracks) This Is Hawkwind: Do Not Panic Palace Springs (some tracks) Roadhawks (2 tracks - You shouldn't do that & Silver Machine) Dave. From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 25 06:29:27 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:29:27 GMT Subject: HW: Live record list In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 25 Jan 1996 07:09:10 +0100 Message-ID: > Hi folks > > Here is a list of all HAWKWIND bootlegs and live records > thanks Bernard. Any chance you'd be willing to add the venues to these as well - given that some of them are a subject to a slight geographical deviation from their stated venues on the covers.... 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 25 06:29:32 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:29:32 GMT Subject: HW: Live record list In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 25 Jan 1996 07:09:10 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi folks > > Here is a list of all HAWKWIND bootlegs and live records > > I hope this is helpful for some fans who are looking after some HAWKWIND > live stuff. > > CD = Compact Disc, R = Record (vinyl) > > > Bootleg name Recorded Source > ================================================= > Spacerock from London 28.09.1972 CD > Live-St.Albans 08.12.1979 CD > Orgasmatron different dates CD > Dawn of Hawkwind different dates CD > Rock City 16.11.1993 CD > Kings Of Speed, LoL 08.10.1991 CD > Nova Drive different dates CD > Damnation Alley 04.10.1989 CD Do you have the same kind of breakdown of the "different dates" CD's as you did for Nova Drive? Thanks FoFP From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 25 07:57:38 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 07:57:38 EST Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: > >> Actually, Albert wasn't even treated as well as a hired hand-- they > never > >> paid him. > > > >That's pretty disgusting. Who is to blame for this? If it was > >management, I'd understand. But even so, I can't believe the rest of > >the band would be so crude to a person who contributed so much to the > >band over the years--to say nothing of Imaginos. Hell, Imaginos > >sounds like an Albert solo album to me; his contributions to it were > >that apparent. It just goes to show you that you shouldn't get to > >know too much about your heroes, for they'll often disappoint you by > >acting like regular mortals. If the band knew Albert was being > >shafted, they should have stood up and done the right thing. This is > >very depressing... > >theo > > > Hi, > I hope all is well. Sorry but I just couldn't help but reply to this > line of reasoning. You weren't there when these things happened (nor I) > and therfore couldn't possibly know what circumstances led to the final > outcome. > > My point is if you weren't there you don't know the facts so you > shouldn't be bashing people or events you know nothing about. No > offence intended. Open forum and all that..... > > Joel Joel, You are right to a point, and I take no offense. Still, it's a fact that SOMEBODY stiffed Albert out of his share. Even if the band didn't know it at the time, I'm sure they've heard about it since. In which case, they should have taken it upon themselves to do the right thing by Albert. Even if they're pissed at him now, he was at the heart of the band for at least 15 years. That should count for something. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 25 07:59:05 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 07:59:05 EST Subject: off: lost vinyl returns to its homeland Message-ID: > >Yuri, > >This is pretty strange indeed. Just last thursday, I wandered into > >the local used vinyl shop and found one of my old records that I sold > >in a fit of insanity many years ago--at least ten years ago, in fact. > >Now it wasn't anything rare or especially desirable (Montrose's first > >album) but to come upon a record with your own initials staring out > >at you from the corner after all these years is pretty wild! > >theo > > > > > Yes, but what we really want to know is, did you buy it? > > Duane > > -- > " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " Does a shark shit in the sea? theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 25 08:03:05 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:03:05 EST Subject: Conv w/ Bolle / Q for Albert! Message-ID: > > OK, let me get this straight...Alice Cooper, Spirit, Mahavishnu > Orcherstra, The James Gang and BOC!!! Now that's what I call eclectic! > Wish I was there, but I was only 7 years old at the time. > Just out of curiosity where was BOC on the bill? > > How come no one puts together this type of a mix in the line up anymore? > > --EF EF, I think those were all separate tours. theo From boris at UMAV31.VERWALTUNG.UNI-MANNHEIM.DE Thu Jan 25 10:09:25 1996 From: boris at UMAV31.VERWALTUNG.UNI-MANNHEIM.DE (Boris Kandziora) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 15:09:25 +0000 Subject: BOC: Ripper Message-ID: A computer game is scheduled to be released in february, called Ripper, featuring 'the music of blue oyster cult'. info available at http://www.westol.com/~taketwo/ripper.html. they also give away some free demo cds. since i'm quite new on the list, i don't know if this is of any interest to anyone out there.maybe. From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Thu Jan 25 08:31:55 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:31:55 EST Subject: HW: Trade Message-ID: Hi folks ! I've a few items that I want to trade for some HW-tapes. The items are: Anubian lights: Jackal & Nine - minicd (new). HW booklet - Autumn '89, A score reflected. HW booklet - Winter '89, The mind journey. Don't know how many tapes they might be worth, but if you're interested please contact me at 100522.44 at compuserve.com. Keep in touch Henrik Hawkswede From lansford at VNET.NET Thu Jan 25 09:14:58 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:14:58 GMT Subject: Conv w/ Bolle / Q for Albert! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Albert T Bouchard wrote: >Sorry to be posting so late to this thread but I have to decide each day >now whether to check out my boc-l or work on the new tunes. I guess you >know what I usually pick. And I think you know which we want you to pick. New music will get you forgiven almost anything.... 8) -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- No Team -- No Peace Save Our Browns http://melkor.multiverse.com/sob/ -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Thu Jan 25 11:11:42 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:11:42 -0800 Subject: BOC in PDX, OR, USA Message-ID: Anyone on this list going to see BOC in Portland, OR this Feb? (9th I think it is) "Curiosity Killed the Cat/Loathsome Rituals Brought It Back" -Anon -attributed to HP Lovecraft (?) From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jan 25 11:20:21 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:20:21 -0500 Subject: off: lost vinyl returns to its homeland Message-ID: >Does a shark shit in the sea? >theo Not if it's a freshwater Nicaraguan Shark. ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jan 25 11:29:07 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:29:07 -0500 Subject: HW: Tribute tape. Message-ID: Just to let folks know who were thinking of offering, but I have now been offered a place on the tape tree. Thanks to those who responded to my plea. Many thanks, Paul. obCD: Melting Euphoria, _Upon the Solar Winds_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 25 12:09:21 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:09:21 -0500 Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: Well, great minds think alike, don't they? Actually have worked on a tune called "Count Your Blessings"...Maybe we'll have to stick Carl and his disguise (like Judy in glasses?) in there.... Gee, all this weird ESP (several strange things have happened of late) I'm still waiting for that longlost pile of money to turn up in a used vinyl store or wherever... -DF From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Jan 25 13:10:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:10:00 EST Subject: Off: BOC-L Directory Update Message-ID: ---------- From: BREVARD Adrian R. To: Rudich, Robert A Subject: RE: BOC-L Digest - 24 Jan 1996 to 25 Jan 1996 Date: Saturday, January 27, 1996 10:50AM ==================================================================== Still experiencing mail problems so Rudy is forwarding this for me. DK Hardman I am the one that maintians the elctronic version of the Directory and posts updates/deletions therefore from time to time the directory will continue to be updated and posted. Charlie and I have been collaborating on it for a couple of months. I update and post the MS Word and Text version as attachments (the easy part) Charlie painstakingly edited the entire directory to create the e-mail user friendly version, i.,e, it appears as a post. Very significant and dedicated work on his part. Please wish Charlie the best for me and I hope that members of this list appreciate all the time and effort Charlie put forth to create the e-mail friendly version. Hope that he can somehow regain access. THX AB PS Paul Ward the mail problems have not allowed me to receive the information from your co-worker. Hopefully mail problems will be cleared soon and he can be added to the directory in the next update. Five in the Player Recently Earl Slick - Earl Slick Frank Marino (solo) - From the Hip Gary Hoey - Animal Instincts BOC - OYFOOYK Triumph - Thunder Seven +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Thu Jan 25 14:02:43 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:02:43 -0600 Subject: HW: Re - cd's In-Reply-To: <9601241839.aa09045@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, J Strobridge wrote: > > what a bonus track on california brainstorm UK!! > > AHHH these guys are trying to bankrupt me for sure > > just got independant days and found it only had a couple versions of > > tracks i didn't have already- > > This is because they are beginning to issue CDs of vinyl that hasn't > been available for years and, because of that, the tracks have all been > issued on other compilations several times and long before these > re-issues. > > I'm not quite sure just who are responsible for some of these > re-issues but it can be a rip-off and it's sometimes worth checking > codex entries before diving into some of the compilations. > > jill > > it is a rip-off ! the main reason i ordered indepenant days was for the live -assault and battery and the other bonus track from the flickknife black sword version. the liner notes of the griffen independany days graciously informed me that those two tracks were left off because they belong more properly with the black sword release- the thing is is that griffen has already issued black sword with the dojo version bonus tracks! so does this mean the original bonus tracks will remain unissued in the u.s.? I would think that being the collector that he is robert godwin would want to preserve the integrity of the original independant days lps obviously i'm wrong griffens latest hawkwind releases have only been of slight necessity undisclosed files - mighy hawkwind & independant days not too mush new here From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jan 25 14:03:01 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:03:01 -0500 Subject: BOC: Lost Christabel Message-ID: I was going over the "Interpretation of Imaginos" by Bryce (on one of the BOC pages), and noticed in the section that nobody was really certain where "Christabel" (as in "Lost Christabel") was located. It mentioned speculation as to a real or mythical city in Mexico.... I'm not sure if the spelling was ever official (since most of the lyrics seem to have been constructed by listening carefully repeatedly), but there is a city called Cristobal, in the Republic of Panama. It is located at the northern (Atlantic) terminus of the Panama Canal, nearby the (larger) city of Colon. As a pair, they are named after Christopher Columbus (in spanish: Cristobal Colon), a figure who factors highly in the start of the oppression of the indian cultures by Europeans in the New World, which seems to tie in somewhat to some of the theme in Imaginos. I've been there several times (used to fairly close, on the Pacific coast). It is a city which has been part of the Canal Zone administered by the U.S. Government since the construction of the canal began in 1903 (ending in 1999). I have no idea (and somewhat doubt) whether this had anything to do with what Pearlman was thinking of... ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jan 25 14:02:58 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:02:58 -0500 Subject: Kingdom Silliness (Skip if you hate politics) Message-ID: >-- [ From: Kraig E Koranda * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- > >> You mean as in "Highlander" immortal watchers ?? >> ----------------------------+------------------------------------- >Sorry but i can not confirm nor can I deny the validity of that >statement.;-) Who watches the watchers? ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Thu Jan 25 14:03:21 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:03:21 CST Subject: OFF: ESP and pile-o-money Message-ID: >I'm still waiting for that longlost pile of money to turn up in a used vinyl >store or wherever... Every time I go to a friends house to listen to his 1000+ record colllection he checks the jacket for a long lost 100 dollar bill. He swears he placed it there as a stash in the early 70's. Doug (if you remember the 70's you weren't really there) From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Jan 25 14:48:29 1996 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (joel wendrow) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:48:29 -0800 Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: You wrote: > >Theo wrote: >>>acting like regular mortals. If the band knew Albert was being >>>shafted, they should have stood up and done the right thing. This is >>>very depressing... > >Knew about it?!! They (well, Eric & Schenck at least) were behind it! > >Then Joel puts $.02 in: > >>I hope all is well. Sorry but I just couldn't help but reply to this >>line of reasoning. You weren't there when these things happened (nor I) >>and therfore couldn't possibly know what circumstances led to the final >>outcome. > >At the time I thought I was following the path of passive nonresistance. I >wanted to prove that I had changed and that I wasn't a drug crazed lunatic >anymore. Now I just feel like I was a sucker...."experiments that >failed......" > >>My point is if you weren't there you don't know the facts so you >>shouldn't be bashing people or events you know nothing about. No >>offence intended. Open forum and all that..... > >And how does anyone know anything was/is the truth? Might as well be >completely cynical, Doubting Thomases all. >REALITY CHECK If these guys didn't have almost monthly chances to resolve >things with me I'd have more respect for them. I don't want to rejoin BOC, >I'd just like them to act like men/adults for once. >Al > another (less than) $00.0002 worth Hi Al, Okay, it is hard to refute the remarks of someone who was there when things went bad. But...... I have learned that there are always three sides to every story. Your way, thier way and the accurate way. Peace Joel P.S. I am a fan by the way not a detractor. From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Jan 26 06:04:47 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:04:47 +0000 Subject: BOC: Lost Christabel In-Reply-To: <199601251903.OAA28575@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > I was going over the "Interpretation of Imaginos" by Bryce (on one of the > BOC pages), and noticed in the section that nobody was really certain where > "Christabel" (as in "Lost Christabel") was located. It mentioned > speculation as to a real or mythical city in Mexico.... I'm sure this is rerunning an earlier debate, but I can't see how Lost Christabel is anywhere except in Cornwall. That's where the song begins; the lighthouse at Lost Christabel is at "the strand where Grandad's house was built"; and as Grandad's house is in Cornwall, so must Lost Christabel be. It's a simple syllogism. It's probably just a coincidence, but there is in Cornwall a place name prefixed with "Lost". There's a place called Withiel, and there's also a place called Lostwithiel. I've no idea how common it is around the world to prefix place names with the word "Lost" though. Dave From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 26 09:13:07 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:13:07 -0500 Subject: BS: Brain Surgeons fans Rise - 1 true story Message-ID: Since I started this request for us all to "Rise and Reverberate", I thought I'd share an e-mail which I have recently sent to numerous publications. Those of you interested in furthering this cause might get some ideas from it to write your own letters. John To whom it may concern: As a big fan of hard rock music, I would like to request that your publication consider providing coverage of a band which, in my opinion, produces some of the finest music in this genre today: The Brain Surgeons. Formed by the husband/wife team of ex-Blue Oyster Cult drummer Albert Bouchard, and noted rock critic Deborah Frost (who's writing credentials include The Village Voice, Rolling Stone, Entertainment Weekly, The New York Times, Creem, Spin, and Musician, to name a few), they have self-produced two CD's which are sonic masterpieces -- excellent drum work, solid bass, gritty guitars, and dynamic vocals. While the music is mostly hard rock, many other styles are sprinkled throughout - grunge, punk, techno, soft rock, funk, "70's- sounding" rock, and heavy metal. The band's two albums are entitled "Eponymous" and "Trepanation", and were released in 1994 and 1995 respectively under the band's own label, Cellsum Records. Both releases were later picked up on the Ripe and Ready label ("Eponymous" in 1994, and "Trepanation" is scheduled to be released in February of this year). If you can't find the CDs, write to the Cellsum label for information: Cellsum, P.O. Box 1070 Fort George Station New York, N.Y. 10040 There is also currently a web page dedicated to the band at the following URL: http://www.NovPapyrus.com/bs/ I would be happy to provide more information if you would like, including a list of comments and reviews by both fellow internet music-lovers who have been exposed to The Brain Surgeons, or reviews from other music publications. Everyone I know that has been exposed to this band has had nothing but good things to say about them - and many of those people are very picky about the music that they listen to. I also have some personal notes and reviews of their albums and of 3 shows of theirs in the Boston area which I have attended. My recommendation is that your publication strongly consider reviewing The Brain Surgeons' music (I would recommend "Trepanation" first, as it is most current, and more closely resembles their live sound) or concert performances (they perform in the New York/New England area -- I can provide concert information as I receive it, or it may be available on the afore-mentioned web page), and perhaps doing an article on the band, or it's members. Thank you, John Swartz NOTE: This is really just a "preliminary" letter that I've sent out, as I intend to forward many comments and reviews that we've done on the band as well. For those who are looking for e-mail web addresses to forward comments to, here's a few that I've been able to find: ROLLING STONE: e-mail: info at rstone.com CIRCUS MAGAZINE: e-mail: circusmag at aol.com GUITAR WORLD: http://www.guitarworld.com ADDICTED TO NOISE (very cool on-line magazine): http://www.adict.com/ATN/ GUITAR PLAYER: http://www.dc.enews.com/magazines/guitar_player http://www.dc.enews.com/cgi-bin/makecomment?Name=Guitar+Player MODERN DRUMMER: http://www.dc.enews.com/magazines/mod_drum/ http://www.dc.enews.com/cgi-bin/makecomment?Name=Modern+Drummer VILLAGE VOICE: http://www.dc.enews.com/magazines/village/ http://www.dc.enews.com/cgi-bin/makecomment?Name=Village+Voice,+The SPIN: http://www.dc.enews.com/magazines/spin/ http://www.dc.enews.com/cgi-bin/makecomment?Name=Spin+Magazine BILLBOARD: http://www.billboard-online.com/ e-mail: Epubb at ix.netcom.com GUITARIST Magazine (UK publication only?): http://www.music-net.co.uk/Guitarists.html Total Guitar (UK publication only?): http://www.futurenet.co.uk/music/totalguitar.html The BOSTON PHOENIX (Boston newspaper with lots of music coverage): http://www.bostonphoenix.com http://www.bostonphoenix.com/alt1/standard/feedback.html NEW ENGLAND ROCKS (New England music magazine): http://metro.turnpike.net/~nerocks/nerocks.html e-mail: NERocks at aol.com PIT REPORT (New England music magazine): e-mail: pit-report at pit.com LOLLIPOP (New England music magazine): e-mail: feedback at Lollipop.com If anyone has more addresses, please post. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 26 09:35:30 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:35:30 -0500 Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: Once again, Carl has eloquently echoed my thoughts almost exactly. Trans-Atlantic Telepathy, or just great minds thinking alike? ;-) Seriously though, I agree with Carl. I'd love to hear the original line-up (doing a proper live treatment of Imaginos also would've been cool), but I still like hearing the current line-up (even if the the setlist is so predictable), and Al and all of us are all the better for the fact that the he and the Brain Surgeons are giving us great new stuff. John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 26 09:55:10 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:55:10 +0000 Subject: Imaginos post mortem In-Reply-To: <960125120919_126879491@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Jan 25, 96 12:09:21 pm Message-ID: > Actually have worked on a tune called "Count Your Blessings"... And so how is the process on new tunes coming? Last we heard Steve Swann back in the fall, when he said the demos he heard were mindbogglingly cool. I assume, the force of coolness has, if anything, increased since, but is there an update from the Land of Neuro-Medicine? Cheers, Carl From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Jan 26 10:21:10 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:21:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Live record list Message-ID: Hi there >I think this is missing some: > >Zones (some tracks) >Out And Intake (some tracks) >This Is Hawkwind: Do Not Panic >Palace Springs (some tracks) >Roadhawks (2 tracks - You shouldn't do that & Silver Machine) You are right dave. I should add them to my list Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Jan 26 10:21:11 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:21:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Live record list (update) Message-ID: Hi folks Here is an updated list of all HAWKWIND bootlegs and live records CD = Compact Disc, R = Record (vinyl) Bootleg name Recorded Source Town ============================================================ Spacerock from London 28.09.1972 CD London Live-St.Albans 08.12.1979 CD St.Albans Orgasmatron different dates CD Dawn of Hawkwind different dates CD Rock City 16.11.1993 CD Nottingham Kings Of Speed, LoL 08.10.1991 CD Bochum (Germany) Nova Drive different dates CD Damnation Alley 04.10.1989 CD Minneapolis Live At Stonehenge 22.06.1983 R Stonehenge Cyberspace Conspiracy 25.01.1990 R Nottingham Live At Watchf. and Stoneh. different dates R Assasins Of Allah different dates R Live at the Bottom Line 06.03.1978 R New York Mind Journey 10.08.1975 R Glasgow Undisclosed Files 27.11.1984, ?.12.88 R Sheffield + ??? Golden Void 19.10.1982 R Glasgow Live Record name ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Live Chronicals 03.12.1985 CD+R London California Brainstorm 16.12.1990 CD Oakland Italian CD 05.11.1990 CD Leicester Busines Trip 27.11.1993 CD+R Hastings Live 79 08.12.1979 CD+R St.Albans Space Ritual 22 + 30.12.1972 CD+R Liverpool+ Lon. Space Ritual II 30.12.1972 CD+R London PXR5 29.09.1977 CD+R (3Tracks) Leices Hall Of The MG 26.01.1974 CD+R (3 Tracks)Lond. Hawklords Live 24.11.1978 CD Uxbridge Text Of Festival 18.8.70 + 19.4.71 + 19.5.71 CD+R London Zones 31.10.82+18.12.80 CD+R Bristol, London Out And Intake 12.11.1982+ ??? London+ ??? Do Not Panic 18.12.80+20.6.84+21.6.84 CD+R London+St Palace Springs 10.10.1989 CD+R Los Angeles Roadhawks 30.12.1972 CD+R London ================================================= Cheers Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Jan 26 10:21:15 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:21:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Live record list Message-ID: Hello, >Do you have the same kind of breakdown of the "different dates" CD's as >you did for Nova Drive? No problem, but all infos you need are standing on the backsides of the CD's If you do not have these boots let me know and I'll post the informations into the BOC-L Cheers Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Jan 26 10:21:17 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:21:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Italian lyric book CD Message-ID: Hello > > So is the "Images" on _California Brainstorm_ actually from the >same show as the rest of the material on the _CB_ disc, or is it from >the Italian CD? Images is from the Oakland 16.12.1990 gig (CALIFORNIA BRAINSTORM) Cheers Bernhard From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jan 26 11:25:42 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:25:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Live record list (update) In-Reply-To: <199601261521.QAA18452@exit.ruhr.de> from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Jan 26, 96 04:21:11 pm Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Here is an updated list of all HAWKWIND bootlegs and live records > > CD = Compact Disc, R = Record (vinyl) > Live Record name > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Roadhawks 30.12.1972 CD+R London Is this actually available on CD? I saw it advertised as such, once, but subsequent investigation turned it up as a mistake (as many eager Kollectors on here will doubtless remember). Cheers, Paul. obCD: Bevis Frond, _Superseeder_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From tori at PANIX.COM Fri Jan 26 12:05:58 1996 From: tori at PANIX.COM (Lurking Girl) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:05:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Live record list (update) In-Reply-To: <9601261625.AA32578@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Message-ID: > > > Live Record name > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Roadhawks 30.12.1972 CD+R London > > Is this actually available on CD? I saw it advertised as such, once, but > subsequent investigation turned it up as a mistake (as many eager Kollectors > on here will doubtless remember). I saw it at Tower Records, once, several years ago. But I was new to Hawkwind, had no idea what it was, and didn't get it...:( Tori From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Jan 26 12:11:25 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 18:11:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Live record list (update) Message-ID: Hello >> Roadhawks 30.12.1972 CD+R London > >Is this actually available on CD? I saw it advertised as such, once, but >subsequent investigation turned it up as a mistake (as many eager Kollectors >on here will doubtless remember). Sorry, my fault. As far as I know the ROADHAWKS CD does not exist. Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Jan 26 12:11:31 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 18:11:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour programmes Message-ID: Hi there I have got the following (original) tour programmes: - space ritual tour 1972 - winter tour 1974/1975 - astounding tour 1976 - hawklords tour 1978 - November/December 1979 tour - levitation tour 1980 - sonic attac tour 1981 - choose your masques tour 1982 - monmore festival 1982 - earth ritual tour 1984 - live chronicals tour 1985 - april 1988 tour There are 2 more programmes which I'd like to buy or swap. - From the QUARK 1977 tour - From the READING Festival 1986 Cheers Bernhard From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Jan 26 12:09:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:09:00 EST Subject: HW: Business Trip Date(s)? Message-ID: This is admittedly a trivial point, but no more than some so I feel safe raising it. Bernhard has the Business Trip listed as being recorded at 1 show at Hastings (27.11.1993 or Nov. 27, 1993 for us backward Americans). I don't have the cover in front of me, but I thought they attributed it to various venues over some defined period of time in the notes. If my memory isn't faulty, do tapes match every song for the Hastings show note for note and that is how we have more definitive info? Granted, a lot of the songs do flow unbroken. More cover disinformation to bolster the Hawkwind mystique? Rudy From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Jan 26 12:33:19 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:33:19 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: New tunes In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Jan 26, 96 02:55:10 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: Deb: > > Actually have worked on a tune called "Count Your Blessings"... > > And so how is the process on new tunes coming? Last we heard > Steve Swann back in the fall, when he said the demos he heard were > mindbogglingly cool. I assume, the force of coolness has, if anything, > increased since, but is there an update from the Land of Neuro-Medicine? Steve has just been pressing Deb and Al for the same information. Having missed the last BS show, I don't know whether any of the new songs have been moved into the set list yet. I would *love* to see St. Vitus' Dance there, but I'm betting that Date With my Guitar will be the first in. It's a guaranteed crowd pleaser - I think possibly even more so than Medusa, which is the current crowd favorite (judging by the Applause-O-Meter). The new tunes sound like their strongest yet. Steve From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 26 12:38:47 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:38:47 GMT Subject: OFF: Gong video query Message-ID: Did someone on this list mention the existence of a video of the Gong 25th Birthday Party thing that happened at the Forum, London last year-ish? Having been there I'd be interested to know more about this. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Jan 26 13:31:42 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:31:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Business Trip Date(s)? Message-ID: Hello Rudy >This is admittedly a trivial point, but no more than some so I feel safe >raising it. Bernhard has the Business Trip listed as being recorded at 1 >show at Hastings (27.11.1993 or Nov. 27, 1993 for us backward Americans). I >don't have the cover in front of me, but I thought they attributed it to >various venues over some defined period of time in the notes. If my memory >isn't faulty, do tapes match every song for the Hastings show note for note >and that is how we have more definitive info? Granted, a lot of the songs >do flow unbroken. More cover disinformation to bolster the Hawkwind >mystique? The BUSINES TRIP is complete from the HASTINGS show (27.11.93). I have got this information from ALAN DAVEY himself !! I spoke to him before the gig in OSNABRUECK (Germany) on 31.10.1994. Asked him: Do you know where the BUSINES TRIP was recorded? He said: Yes, at HASTINGS, Pavilon 1993 There is no good chance to compare the Hastings tape with the CD because (like the PALACE SPRINGS one) Dave has mixed in his studio lot of effects and noises onto the live CD. For myself, I prefer rough live material like LIVE 79 or HAWKLORDS LIVE, or live tapes, though I like PALACE SPRINGS very much (one of my all time HAWKWIND favorites) Bernhard From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 26 14:18:33 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:18:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: CD Euroxpress Message-ID: At least 2 people have asked me for some CD info, and I mentioned a place called "CD Euroxpress" that might be useful to them. I managed to find an address for them: CD Euroxpress 14729 Eastgate Drive Bellevue, WA 98006 (206) 562-6574 (phone/FAX) John From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Jan 26 15:22:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:22:00 EST Subject: HW: Business Trip Dated Message-ID: Bernhard, thanks for the info. Certainly an unimpeachable source. I didn't know both it and PALACE SPRINGS were doctored up instead of raw live. Makes the good sound more understandable. Any feel for how much Dave played with it? If you were there, would you recognized that you heard the track live? Tough call, I know, but nobody said being the best was easy. Rudy From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jan 26 15:40:48 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:40:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: Lost Christabel Message-ID: >I'm sure this is rerunning an earlier debate, but I can't see how Lost >Christabel is anywhere except in Cornwall. That's where the song begins; >the lighthouse at Lost Christabel is at "the strand where Grandad's house >was built"; and as Grandad's house is in Cornwall, so must Lost >Christabel be. It's a simple syllogism. Perhaps it is meant to be a double ambiguity of serveral places... > It's probably just a coincidence, but there is in Cornwall a place >name prefixed with "Lost". There's a place called Withiel, and there's >also a place called Lostwithiel. I've no idea how common it is around the >world to prefix place names with the word "Lost" though. > Perusing through my atlas (only desk version, don't keep larger ones at work), I come across only one: Lost Nation, in Iowa. Have no idea where they got this name or what they intend it to mean, though. ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Fri Jan 26 15:43:20 1996 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:43:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Business Trip Dated Message-ID: > > Bernhard, thanks for the info. Certainly an unimpeachable source. I didn't > know both it and PALACE SPRINGS were doctored up instead of raw live. Makes > the good sound more understandable. Any feel for how much Dave played with > it? If you were there, would you recognized that you heard the track live? > Tough call, I know, but nobody said being the best was easy. > I remember my surprise on hearing Business Trip for the first time, I think its most noticeable in 'Right To Decide' 'hmm - nice drums, nice keyboard work, nice bass, nice guitar.... Hey wait a minute, yep Alans playing the bass line obviously, Richards playing the drums ..... and Dave is apparently playing a guitar solo with two hands and a nice keyboard fill I guess with his toes.. Neat Trick !! ' I'm normally against overdubs on live albums, but then the Business Trip sounds so great that I'll let them off with it. Cheers, Steve L. From siyer at NRC-IRIS.NRC.UAB.EDU Fri Jan 26 09:32:17 1996 From: siyer at NRC-IRIS.NRC.UAB.EDU (Arioch) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:32:17 +0100 Subject: test...please ignore Message-ID: test Loco (siyer at nrc-iris.nrc.uab.edu) Graduate student Neurobiology Research Center University of Alabama at Birmingham From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Jan 26 16:36:12 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:36:12 -0500 Subject: test...please ignore Message-ID: Howdy M From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Fri Jan 26 17:26:59 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:26:59 -0800 Subject: BOC: Lost Christabel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave > It's probably just a coincidence, but there is in Cornwall a place > name prefixed with "Lost". There's a place called Withiel, and there's > also a place called Lostwithiel. I've no idea how common it is around the > world to prefix place names with the word "Lost" though. > > The "Lost" may not be an English word. (?) - Passerby in Times Square From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Jan 26 18:01:48 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:01:48 -0600 Subject: HW: Business Trip Dated In-Reply-To: <199601262043.PAA14688@dogberry> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Stephen Lindsey wrote: > > Bernhard, thanks for the info. Certainly an unimpeachable source. I didn't > > know both it and PALACE SPRINGS were doctored up instead of raw live. Makes > > the good sound more understandable. Any feel for how much Dave played with > > it? If you were there, would you recognized that you heard the track live? > I remember my surprise on hearing Business Trip for the first time, I think > its most noticeable in 'Right To Decide' > 'hmm - nice drums, nice keyboard work, nice bass, nice guitar.... > Hey wait a minute, yep Alans playing the bass line obviously, > Richards playing the drums ..... > and Dave is apparently playing a guitar solo with two hands and > a nice keyboard fill I guess with his toes.. Yeah, well, I must admit that when I first heard Palace Springs (my 2nd HW album), I thought it was completely studio, since I heard very little audience... I'm assuming Dave had to mess around quite a bit to get rid of most of that. *sigh* Why would anybody want to completely filter out the audience noise anyway? It's part of the experience after all. Damon Capehart | The Society of Physics Students at UTD dcapehar at utdallas.edu | (yes, even though I'm actually a math major) -- Call the Physics Friends Hotline. -- -- Find out about your special density! -- From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Jan 26 18:39:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:39:00 PST Subject: BrainSurgeons E-mail Campaign Message-ID: Just rec'd the 1/22-23 digest moments ago so sorry if this is dated and redundant. John: We have an e-mail the radio stations campaign going on the King's-X list, sort of a play the new album when it comes out. Your idea has lots of merit and maybe incuding local radio stations (new listeners) and local publications can assist grassroot efforts. Just a thought. Judge Dredd From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Fri Jan 26 20:34:41 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:34:41 -0500 Subject: Conv w/ Bolle / Q for Albert! Message-ID: Guys: >> OK, let me get this straight...Alice Cooper, Spirit, Mahavishnu >> Orcherstra, The James Gang and BOC!!! Now that's what I call eclectic! >> Wish I was there, but I was only 7 years old at the time. >> Just out of curiosity where was BOC on the bill? We opened every show, except Mahavishnu. How embarassing! >> How come no one puts together this type of a mix in the line up anymore? >> >> --EF > > EF, > I think those were all separate tours. > theo Quite correct. Also Rare Earth, The Byrds, and other less memorable groups. Al From brendah at MBAY.NET Fri Jan 26 22:07:51 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:07:51 -0800 Subject: Hullo, again... Message-ID: Hi! I used to subscribe to this list a couple of years back, left just after Cult Classic came out, but I just saw the Cult up in Santa Cruz last night and needed to resubscribe! The discussions on alt.music.blueoystercult weren't what I needed. So here I am... and the first message here is from Al Bouchard! This is a nice place. Brenda --- []]]]]]]] Brenda Holloway brendah at mbay.net [[[[[[[[] [[ ]]]]]] Sony New Technologies, Monterey, CA [[[[[[ ]] [[[ ]]]] http://www.sonysoft.com/brenda/ [[[[ ]]] [[[[ ]]] http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ [[[ ]]]] [[[[[ ] C Coder. C Coder Run. Run, Coder, Run. [ ]]]]] From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Jan 27 02:29:21 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 08:29:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Business Trip Dated Message-ID: Hi Rudy >Any feel for how much Dave played withit? No, but it was alot On both albums some of the vocals were remixed and added and of course a lot of synthesizer effects were added >If you were there, would you recognized that you heard the track live? Me and a good friend tried to compare the original tapes and the records. We had no chance :-(( Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Jan 27 04:59:08 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:59:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Business Trip Dated Message-ID: Hello >Why would anybody want to completely filter out >the audience noise anyway? The reason is because Dave wants to hear the music he did perfect. - On LIVE 79 he only mixed some audience noises into the gig - On LIVE CHRONICLES he did nothing (It was a perfect gig) The live tape sounds identical - To my surprise he did nothing on HAWKLORDS LIVE (except SONIC ATTAC) though there were some problems during this gig Bernhard From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Jan 27 09:30:22 1996 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (joel wendrow) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 06:30:22 -0800 Subject: BOC Videos Message-ID: find a collection of all the BOC music videos that were made. Any help would be nice. thankz Joel From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sat Jan 27 09:51:11 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:51:11 GMT Subject: HW: Business Trip Dated In-Reply-To: Stephen Lindsey's message of Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:43:20 -0500 Message-ID: > and Dave is apparently playing a guitar solo with two hands and > a nice keyboard fill I guess with his toes.. They use a lot of sequencing/tapes at the gigs, which gives them that rich sound, at the cost of some spontaneity. The sound on that tour was very clear. Dave. From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sat Jan 27 11:45:12 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:45:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Business Trip Date(s)? Message-ID: > >For myself, I prefer rough live material like LIVE 79 or HAWKLORDS LIVE, or >live tapes, though I like PALACE SPRINGS very much (one of my all time >HAWKWIND favorites) > >Bernhard > > I have a question regarding Hawklords Live. During the song Death Trap, the band stops playing, and there is a few seconds of silence, then Calvert kinda apologizes, and they start playing the song over again. Does anyone know what was going on, onstage at the time? Duane -- " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Jan 27 12:13:31 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:13:31 -0500 Subject: BOC: rumors Message-ID: here are a few rumors I hoid the other day...I can't verify if these are true or not, just wanna know if anyone else hoid some of deez: * Rick Downey is no longer with BOC * George Geranios has left BOC to work with Anthrax * The REAL BOC boxset will be released in September ROBO From brendah at MBAY.NET Sat Jan 27 12:16:33 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 09:16:33 -0800 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: This was my fourth time seeing BOC and my third at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz. The first time I saw them was at Doc Rickett's in Monterey around '92 or so -- and that was the absolute best show ever, with the long Godzilla and Take Me Away intros. The last two times at the Catalyst were unmemorable, but last night they played to a mostly young crowd that knew their stuff. That's odd, since I grew up with them but these kids couldn't have. Still, people were yelling for Astronomy and Buck's Boogie, but they didn't play either... The Milk Duds opened, a three-man band with the lead guitarist doing vocals and pretty much everything else. BOC came on around 9:30 and played for about two hours. The lights dimmed; the sound system struck up Vangelis' "Theme from Bladerunner" as usual, and then they came out. Eric still has cropped hair, and Buck looked remarkably thin (and Alan still looked wasted) as they started in with "Stairway to the Stars" and "Dr. Music", their usual openers. I was dancing next to the sound board, and the technician had the set on index cards; looked fairly standard. They went in to "OD'd On Life Itself" from 'Tyranny and Mutation' followed by "E.T.I." Eric announced a new song from their upcoming 1996 album (I've been waiting for this new album since '92; it's always just about to come out), but it was just "Harvest Moon" again. They usually play some songs from "Bad Channels", but not tonight. Anyway, on to "Before The Kiss, A Redcap", then another 'new' song, "I'd Like To See You In Black". Alan sat back down at the keyboards, having been up with guitar for most of the set so far, and I knew it was either going to be "Flaming Telepaths" or "Joan Crawford". It was Joan, followed by Telepaths, actually... Eric introduced "Cities On Flame" and the band swung in to the best "Cities" I've ever seen them do live. Buck was just enjoying himself too much on the stage, dragging out the starts and false stops and solos and pulling people to their feet. The friend I brought looked like she was enjoying herself for the first time. Buck followed this up with a rather muddy "Last Days of May", 'based on a true story', but you couldn't hear much of it in the lyrics. Eric announced that Alan would be playing guitar "on a stool!" for the next song, "In Thee", and after a few guitar problems he started in (if they're going to do songs from Mirrors with Alan, why not do "Lonely Teardrops" with that neat Clavinet intro? Oh well...) After was "Lips In The Hills" from 'Cultosaurus Erectus', the only song they played from that album (they didn't play anything from 'Imaginos', either -- is that because Al Bouchard isn't with them anymore?) Then came a string of their hits - "Burnin' for You" (which I thought they'd follow with "Still Burnin'" from something Eric said, but it didn't happen), then of course... "What could that be? It's destroyed San Jose! What is it? Is it Rhodan? Is it Mothra? It's... it's GODZILLA!" (cue roar) Nice solos from the rhythm section (I can never remember their names!) but nothing like the one I heard back in '92 (love to get a tape of that show!) Then came "Don't Fear the Reaper", which ended the set. They came back with "Dominance and Submission", with the crowd filling as on "Live '76", but without the 'weed & speed limit' speech, and they ended the night with "The Red and The Black". 'Twas a good night, but I wanted to hear "M.E. 262", "Astronomy", "Veteran of the Psychic Wars", "Astronomy", "Take Me Away", and maybe a little "Astronomy" to cap it off. I would have liked "Still Burnin'" again, too, but... hey, maybe they'll actually come out with their new album this year... I bought a shirt. $20. They had the new "Workshop of Telescopes" shirts, but the one I bought has Godzilla destroying a theatre that says "Tonight! Puppet Show and Blue =D6yster Cult" on the marque=E9. Screaming people. Back side has Godzilla and The Reaper going at it. It's great. I saw a guy there with a "Blue Oyster Cult Online" shirt with the Reaper at a monitor with the sign of Cronos on it. I haven't been on the boc-l list for a couple of years - did they finally get together and make that shirt? Or is this something else? There was a guy at a table for the "BOC Fan Club" with an AOL address, but he wasn't there afterward... Waiting for them to come back again, whether to the Catalyst or, as Eric predicted, the Oakland Coliseum.. Brenda --- []]]]]]]] Brenda Holloway brendah at mbay.net [[[[[[[[] [[ ]]]]]] Sony New Technologies, Monterey, CA [[[[[[ ]] [[[ ]]]] http://www.sonysoft.com/brenda/ [[[[ ]]] [[[[ ]]] http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ [[[ ]]]] [[[[[ ] C Coder. C Coder Run. Run, Coder, Run. [ ]]]]] From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Jan 27 12:40:58 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:40:58 -0500 Subject: Hullo, again... Message-ID: Hi Brenda. I remember your postings of a few years back. Theres still a bunch of us "old" people around :-) Welcome back! Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Jan 27 12:51:37 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:51:37 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: >I saw a guy there with a "Blue Oyster Cult Online" shirt with the Reaper >at a monitor with the sign of Cronos on it. I haven't been on the boc-l >list for a couple of years - did they finally get together and make that >shirt? Or is this something else? There was a guy at a table for the Amazingly enough, after several years of delicate negotiations, a list T-shirt was produced (two in fact). However the shirt which you describe is not one of them. I think there is another BOC BB somewhere in cyberspace (probly AOL) >Brenda Martyn From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Jan 27 12:57:50 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:57:50 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: In a message dated 96-01-27 12:29:08 EST, you write: Still, people were yelling for Astronomy and Buck's >Boogie, but they didn't play either... they still play those 2 songs at times... > >Eric announced a new song from their upcoming 1996 album (I've been >waiting for this new album since '92; it's always just about to come >out), but it was just "Harvest Moon" again. They usually play some songs >from "Bad Channels", but not tonight. I didn't see them play any Bad Channels songs in 95...Demon's Kiss is a perty decent song that grew on me, and would be an upbeat crowd pleaser, as well as the Horseman Arrive...they just added Harvest Moon to the set again, and it sounds alot better now than it ever did...HM is a good tune... > >Anyway, on to "Before The Kiss, A Redcap", then another 'new' song, "I'd >Like To See You In Black". What was the crowd response to See You In Black? everytime I've seen it played live it has gotten a great response...probly the best tune out of the new batch... > >Eric announced that Alan would be playing guitar "on a stool!" for the >next song, "In Thee", and after a few guitar problems he started in (if >they're going to do songs from Mirrors with Alan, why not do "Lonely >Teardrops" with that neat Clavinet intro? Oh well...) Lonely Teardrops would probly never happen live...BOC had plans of having a 2-3 song "acoustic" set, but that never surfaced...the other 2 songs were to be She's As Beautiful As A Foot and the Great Sun Jester...If my memory serves me well, they did indeed play Sun Jester at least once live last year...I haven't heard much about plans for the acoustic set lately, but I hope they put Reaper in there for a change of pace... > >After was "Lips In The Hills" from 'Cultosaurus Erectus', the only song >they played from that album (they didn't play anything from 'Imaginos', >either -- is that because Al Bouchard isn't with them anymore?) from the mouth of EB "if ya wanna hear Imaginos live, go to a Brain Surgeons gig" > >Then came a string of their hits - "Burnin' for You" (which I thought >they'd follow with "Still Burnin'" from something Eric said, but it >didn't happen), then of course... Still Burnin is another fantastic tune...I would like to see this one added to the set following Burnin For You and perhaps Dancin In The Ruins... >'Twas a good night, but I wanted to hear "M.E. 262", "Astronomy", >"Veteran of the Psychic Wars", "Astronomy", "Take Me Away", and maybe a >little "Astronomy" to cap it off. I would have liked "Still Burnin'" >again, too, but... hey, maybe they'll actually come out with their new >album this year... I heard that Take Me Away was going to be retired for awhile, but I never grew tired of seeing that one played live, much like ETI...ME 262 was a staple in the set in 95, and I am glad that they are taking that one out...hopefully they will be adding The Vigil this year sometime... >I saw a guy there with a "Blue Oyster Cult Online" shirt with the Reaper >at a monitor with the sign of Cronos on it. I haven't been on the boc-l >list for a couple of years - did they finally get together and make that >shirt? Or is this something else? There was a guy at a table for the >"BOC Fan Club" with an AOL address, but he wasn't there afterward... this is the BOC / AOL Online t-shirt...this was intended to be a "limited edition" t-shirt for the AOL BOC fans, with some extras sold at BOC shows...the BOC-L shirt is the one that says Nethawks on it with Stonehenge...I got em all, including the Four Winds Bar / Underbelly Online t-shirt that you might see some of the band members wearing at the gigs... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Jan 27 13:03:07 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:03:07 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 / BOC in cyberspace Message-ID: In a message dated 96-01-27 12:54:58 EST, you write: > However the shirt which >you describe is not one of them. I think there is another BOC BB >somewhere in cyberspace (probly AOL) > > there are several BOC bbs on America Online...there is the Blue Oyster Cult folder with Eric Bloom, the Buck Dharma folder with Donald Roeser, the Soft White Underbelly folder with Les Braunstein, the Stalk-Forrest Group folder....I wonder if Deb and Al would be interested in starting a Brain Surgeons folder on AOL? on Prodigy, there is a Blue Oyster Cult folder there, but no band members hangout there...hopefully, if Allen Lanier ("if dem guys ever give me a computer, I'm throwing it out the window!") ever gets one, we can sign him up there... ROBO From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Jan 27 13:28:52 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 19:28:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Business Trip Date(s)? Message-ID: Hello >I have a question regarding Hawklords Live. >During the song Death Trap, the band stops playing, and there is a few >seconds of silence, then Calvert kinda apologizes, and they start playing >the song over again. Does anyone know what was going on, onstage at the >time? I am not sure. But I know that the band had a lot of problems with their equipment during a university gig at the end of the tour. And this could be UXBRIDGE. Asked Richard Chadwick in Herford, Germany 1991 (though he didn't play with the band at this time) if he knows where the HAWKLORDS LIVE CD was recorded. He said "In a small university at the end of the tour" I have got about 50 minutes of the UXBRIDGE gig on a live tape (the other part of the gig which is not on the CD). And on this tape the band has again some problems with their amps and equipment. So I believe that the HAWKLORDS live is from the UXBRIDGE gig on 24.11.78 Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jan 27 13:34:07 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:34:07 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawklords Live (was Re: HW: Business Trip Date(s)?) In-Reply-To: <199601271645.AA26305@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Jan 27, 96 11:45:12 am Message-ID: > I have a question regarding Hawklords Live. > During the song Death Trap, the band stops playing, and there is a few > seconds of silence, then Calvert kinda apologizes, and they start playing > the song over again. Does anyone know what was going on, onstage at the > time? I think there was a power failure. Cheers, Carl From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Sat Jan 27 13:40:48 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:40:48 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: Brenda & Martyn: >I saw a guy there with a "Blue Oyster Cult Online" shirt with the Reaper >at a monitor with the sign of Cronos on it. I haven't been on the boc-l >list for a couple of years - did they finally get together and make that >shirt? Or is this something else? There was a guy at a table for the >"BOC Fan Club" with an AOL address, but he wasn't there afterward... Having finally wandered out here to the fringes, to find more erudite BOC discussion, I find a question I can actually help with, even after having been here only a few days... The BOC on-line shirts were, of course, made for all BOC on-line folk. However, the extremely active contingent on-board AOL, including Buck & Eric, are likely the largest motivating factor behind getting the t-shirts to press. Buck is also printing a sharp 'Flat Out' t-shirt, and you can get info at ... The fellow at the table could very well have been Bolle Gregmar, the focal point of the BOC fan club, which also has an address on AOL at . If not, it was one his 'Agents Of Fortune', and his absence after the show suggests that he might have left with the band (especially if it was Bolle)... >Amazingly enough, after several years of delicate negotiations, >a list T-shirt was produced (two in fact). However the shirt which >you describe is not one of them. I think there is another BOC BB >somewhere in cyberspace (probly AOL) Yes sir, there is. There exist on AOL folders for BOC, Buck Dharma, The Stalk-Forrest Group (brand new), & Soft White Underbelly. Les has been posting to the SWU folder of late. Eric & Buck regularly show up in the BOC & Buck folders, to keep us apprised of the goings on. There is also a moderated monthly 'open chat' on the 2nd Tuesday each month. Eric & Buck frequently show there as well. The BOC AOL contingent consists primarily of quite a few long-time, dedicated fans, whom I feel honored to have discovered. For about the last decade I have felt like the 'Sole Survivior' up here Seattle-way, and the finding of the alt.m.boc late this summer has been a liberating experience... I hope this answers all your questions, and please...don't hold my mail server address against me... I came here primarily out of interest in the Imaginos saga, and hoping to find analytical & speculative discussion of same. Looks like I came to the right place... =) The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Sat Jan 27 13:40:49 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:40:49 -0500 Subject: BOC: rumors Message-ID: ROBO/Rob: >* The REAL BOC boxset will be released in September Now this is the kind of rumor someone can sink their teeth into! Hopefully, it will be followed closely by "the new album will be available by fall of '96..." I can hope, right? Keep us informed, oh purveyor of all things BOC... The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Sat Jan 27 13:40:52 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:40:52 -0500 Subject: Imaginos post mortem Message-ID: Mr. Swartz: >Seriously though, I agree with Carl. I'd love to hear the original >line-up (doing a proper live treatment of Imaginos also would've been >cool), but I still like hearing the current line-up (even if the the >setlist is so predictable), and Al and all of us are all the better for >the fact that the he and the Brain Surgeons are giving us great new >stuff. I've spent the last two months burning IR laser tracks in my copy of 'Imaginos', listening to it as I never have before. This very thought occured to me after a few spins. An actual BOC version of Imaginos would be stunning, but alas, we know it will likely never exist, except in the minds of those of us who have rather vivid imaginations... And I just picked up The Brain Surgeons 'Eponymous' last week. Excellent recording. It will be going into my regular circulation over the next couple weeks... The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Jan 27 14:42:22 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:42:22 -0500 Subject: Cristabel Message-ID: Hokay, now for another attempt at solving this (once again, I was not around for what may have been said on this subject before). Searching around with various search engines with various spellings I found reference to a science fiction author who wrote a few books in 1970 named Cristabel. The fact that they were written in 1970 stuck out, if memory serves this would be about the time that Sandy Pearlman wrote most of his stuff that eventually found their way into Imaginos. The following is taken from a review of her (Cristabel's) works: > Belated Reviews PS#4: Cristabel > >I'm going to take time out from reviewing Great SF to haul out a justly >obscure sentimental favorite. Cristabel (one of her books has Christine >Abrahamsen listed on the copyright, so I assume that's her real name) >wrote four books which owed a lot more to the romance genre than to sf/f. >They're not very good, by any reasoned measure -- and I loved reading them. >As best I can tell, she wrote these four books around 1970, each saw a >single printing, and then she stopped writing. They should appeal to >readers who sometimes enjoy a well written bad romance novel -- the sort >which is the distillation of long daydreams. I don't want to quote the whole review (by Dani Zweig), you can find them at http://sf.www.lysator.liu.se/sf_archive/sf-texts/Belated_Reviews/PS_004.Cris tabel Anyways, to sum it up two of the books focus on a mystical tropical island, a woman who is saved from drowning by the captain of a ship (..."my ship is charmed"?? Dunno. Need more info). Anyways, the titles are: "The Manalacor of Veltakin", "The Cruachan and Killane", "The Mortal Immortals", and "The Golden Olive" (which Zweig mentions is both the worse (by far) of the batch and the only one easy to find). Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sat Jan 27 16:08:43 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 16:08:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawklords Live (was Re: HW: Business Trip Date(s)?) In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Jan 27, 96 06:34:07 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > I have a question regarding Hawklords Live. > > During the song Death Trap, the band stops playing, and there is a few > > seconds of silence, then Calvert kinda apologizes, and they start playing > > the song over again. Does anyone know what was going on, onstage at the > > time? > > I think there was a power failure. Yes. In fact, on the CD you can hear one of the band mutter, "Sorry about that; power failure," and they restart the track. I guess a fuse blew, or something. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Beatles, _Revolver_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 27 06:30:33 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:30:33 GMT Subject: HW: Business Trip Date(s)? Message-ID: (In reply to your message dated Friday 26, January 1996) The cover notes just say "recorded while on tour in UK November '93. -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. See Our Website: http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Jan 28 04:18:13 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 04:18:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Business Trip Dated Message-ID: On 27-JAN-1996 05:02:18.8 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Hello >>Why would anybody want to completely filter out >>the audience noise anyway? >The reason is because Dave wants to hear the music he did perfect. >- On LIVE 79 he only mixed some audience noises into the gig >- On LIVE CHRONICLES he did nothing (It was a perfect gig) The live >tape sounds identical >- To my surprise he did nothing on HAWKLORDS LIVE (except SONIC >ATTAC) though there were some problems during this gig >Bernhard Ha, ha! "Whoops, sorry about that! Power failure!" I guess only HW would release a live album with something like that NOT edited out! Sokay, adds even more to the raw, live feel of the album... Chuck "Lighting up the night sky with bitterness distinction." `[1;35;43mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Jan 28 04:18:25 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 04:18:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Business Trip Date(s)? Message-ID: On 27-JAN-1996 19:34:07.9 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Hello >>I have a question regarding Hawklords Live. >>During the song Death Trap, the band stops playing, and there is a few >>seconds of silence, then Calvert kinda apologizes, and they start >playing >the song over again. Does anyone know what was going on, >onstage at the >time? >I am not sure. But I know that the band had a lot of problems with their >equipment during a university gig at the end of the tour. And this >could be UXBRIDGE. >Asked Richard Chadwick in Herford, Germany 1991 (though he didn't play >with the band at this time) if he knows where the HAWKLORDS LIVE CD >was recorded. He said "In a small university at the end of the tour" >I have got about 50 minutes of the UXBRIDGE gig on a live tape (the >other part of the gig which is not on the CD). And on this tape the >band has again some problems with their amps and equipment. >So I believe that the HAWKLORDS live is from the UXBRIDGE gig on >24.11.78 >Bernhard So I am confounded that the Mighty HW Classics CD says that the Sonic Attack EP was recorded on Christmas (and NY's) Eve of '77. It contains the same version of "Over The Top" that HLL has. Chuck `[1;30;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Jan 28 04:23:48 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 04:23:48 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: New tunes Message-ID: On 26-JAN-1996 13:04:49.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Carl E. Anderson writes: >Deb: >> > Actually have worked on a tune called "Count Your Blessings"... >> >> And so how is the process on new tunes coming? Last we heard >> Steve Swann back in the fall, when he said the demos he heard were >> mindbogglingly cool. I assume, the force of coolness has, if >anything, > increased since, but is there an update from the Land of >Neuro-Medicine? >Steve has just been pressing Deb and Al for the same information. >Having missed the last BS show, I don't know whether any of the new >songs have been moved into the set list yet. I would *love* to see >St. Vitus' Dance there, but I'm betting that Date With my Guitar will >be the first in. It's a guaranteed crowd pleaser - I think possibly >even more so than Medusa, which is the current crowd favorite (judging >by the Applause-O-Meter). >The new tunes sound like their strongest yet. "St. Vitus Dance" - A cover of the Sab classic from Vol. 4, I presume? Cool. Wouldn't be the first time that Al borrowed from Sab in some way, eh? :) (COF) Chuck `[1;37;46mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Jan 28 08:56:06 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:56:06 +0100 Subject: HW: HAWKLORDS Live Message-ID: Hi there >I guess only HW would >release a live album with something like that NOT edited out! Sokay, adds >even more to the raw, live feel of the album... This is one of the reasons why I love this band........ Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Jan 28 08:56:08 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:56:08 +0100 Subject: HW: HAWKLORDS Live Message-ID: Hi there >So I am confounded that the Mighty HW Classics CD says that the Sonic Attack >EP was recorded on Christmas (and NY's) Eve of '77. >It contains the same version of >"Over The Top" that HLL has. Of course the OVER THE TOP track in NOT from the 1978 gig but from the BARNSTAPLE gig on 23.12.1977 Do not know why Dave added this track on this live CD SPIRIT OF THE AGE is also not from the HAWKLORDS 1978 gig. Here is the complete track listing from that exceptional gig: 23.12.77, BARNSTAPLE, QUEENSWAY HALL, 45 minutes magnu / angels of death / jam / free fall / death trap / awakening / over the top / golden void / instrumental jam Bernhard From brendah at MBAY.NET Sun Jan 28 10:49:50 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 07:49:50 -0800 Subject: Cristabel Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > Anyways, to sum it up two of the books focus on a mystical tropical island, > a woman who is saved from drowning by the captain of a ship (..."my ship is > charmed"?? Dunno. Need more info). Anyways, the titles are: There's another Christabel - Samuel Coleridge ("Rime of the Ancient Mariner" and "Kubla Khan", among others) also wrote a long poem titled "Christabel", about a girl who steals out of the castle of her father and finds "a damsel bright/Drest in a silken robe of white" named Geraldine who tells a story of being kidnapped by several men, brought far, and left beneath a tree while they went off somewhere. Uh-huh. She's actually a witch who enchants Christabel and has herself brought into the castle of Christabel's father. The ghost of Christabel's mother tries to warn and save her daughter, but Geraldine banishes her for the length of her stay. Anyway -- doesn't seem to have any direct relationship to the song, but... who knows? I haven't finished the poem yet. Brenda --- []]]]]]]] Brenda Holloway brendah at mbay.net [[[[[[[[] [[ ]]]]]] Sony New Technologies, Monterey, CA [[[[[[ ]] [[[ ]]]] http://www.sonysoft.com/brenda/ [[[[ ]]] [[[[ ]]] http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ [[[ ]]]] [[[[[ ] C Coder. C Coder Run. Run, Coder, Run. [ ]]]]] From brendah at MBAY.NET Sun Jan 28 11:15:00 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 08:15:00 -0800 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > Amazingly enough, after several years of delicate negotiations, > a list T-shirt was produced (two in fact). However the shirt which > you describe is not one of them. I think there is another BOC BB > somewhere in cyberspace (probly AOL) And I missed it! Oh well... does it look like the one on the boc-l home page? That one resembles several of the designs that were floating arounf back then... and you're right, that wasn't the one I saw. Hmmm... I have two of my sisters on AOL... wonder if I could convince them to stop by... Brenda --- []]]]]]]] Brenda Holloway brendah at mbay.net [[[[[[[[] [[ ]]]]]] Sony New Technologies, Monterey, CA [[[[[[ ]] [[[ ]]]] http://www.sonysoft.com/brenda/ [[[[ ]]] [[[[ ]]] http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ [[[ ]]]] [[[[[ ] C Coder. C Coder Run. Run, Coder, Run. [ ]]]]] From brendah at MBAY.NET Sun Jan 28 11:19:37 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 08:19:37 -0800 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: Rob Maerz wrote: > > In a message dated 96-01-27 12:29:08 EST, you write: > > Still, people were yelling for Astronomy and Buck's > >Boogie, but they didn't play either... > > they still play those 2 songs at times... > > > > >Eric announced a new song from their upcoming 1996 album (I've been > >waiting for this new album since '92; it's always just about to come > >out), but it was just "Harvest Moon" again. They usually play some songs > >from "Bad Channels", but not tonight. > > I didn't see them play any Bad Channels songs in 95...Demon's Kiss is a perty > decent song that grew on me, and would be an upbeat crowd pleaser, as well as > the Horseman Arrive...they just added Harvest Moon to the set again, and it > sounds alot better now than it ever did...HM is a good tune... > > > > >Anyway, on to "Before The Kiss, A Redcap", then another 'new' song, "I'd > >Like To See You In Black". > > What was the crowd response to See You In Black? everytime I've seen it > played live it has gotten a great response...probly the best tune out of the > new batch... > > > > >Eric announced that Alan would be playing guitar "on a stool!" for the > >next song, "In Thee", and after a few guitar problems he started in (if > >they're going to do songs from Mirrors with Alan, why not do "Lonely > >Teardrops" with that neat Clavinet intro? Oh well...) > > Lonely Teardrops would probly never happen live...BOC had plans of having a > 2-3 song "acoustic" set, but that never surfaced...the other 2 songs were to > be She's As Beautiful As A Foot and the Great Sun Jester...If my memory > serves me well, they did indeed play Sun Jester at least once live last > year...I haven't heard much about plans for the acoustic set lately, but I > hope they put Reaper in there for a change of pace... > > > >After was "Lips In The Hills" from 'Cultosaurus Erectus', the only song > >they played from that album (they didn't play anything from 'Imaginos', > >either -- is that because Al Bouchard isn't with them anymore?) > > from the mouth of EB "if ya wanna hear Imaginos live, go to a Brain Surgeons > gig" > > > > >Then came a string of their hits - "Burnin' for You" (which I thought > >they'd follow with "Still Burnin'" from something Eric said, but it > >didn't happen), then of course... > > Still Burnin is another fantastic tune...I would like to see this one added > to the set following Burnin For You and perhaps Dancin In The Ruins... I think it's an absolute *natural* behind "Burnin' for You". I've never heard them do "Dancin' in the Ruins" live. > I heard that Take Me Away was going to be retired for awhile, but I never > grew tired of seeing that one played live, much like ETI...ME 262 was a > staple in the set in 95, and I am glad that they are taking that one > out...hopefully they will be adding The Vigil this year sometime... The Vigil? I'd like to hear that one. I only saw "Take Me Away" once, my first time, with the extended intro... I've been waiting for it since. The second time I saw them, they did "Golden Age of Leather", with the band gathered together, with their beers, for the a capella intro. That was fun. At the end of the set Thursday, when Allen held up his bottle of beer, I thought they were going to do it again, but they just walked off the stage instead. Brenda -- --- []]]]]]]] Brenda Holloway brendah at mbay.net [[[[[[[[] [[ ]]]]]] Sony New Technologies, Monterey, CA [[[[[[ ]] [[[ ]]]] http://www.sonysoft.com/brenda/ [[[[ ]]] [[[[ ]]] http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ [[[ ]]]] [[[[[ ] C Coder. C Coder Run. Run, Coder, Run. [ ]]]]] From brendah at MBAY.NET Sun Jan 28 11:23:57 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 08:23:57 -0800 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: Douglas A. Mitchell wrote: > The BOC on-line shirts were, of course, made for all BOC on-line folk. > However, the extremely active contingent on-board AOL, including > Buck & Eric, are likely the largest motivating factor behind getting > the t-shirts to press. Buck is also printing a sharp 'Flat Out' t-shirt, > and you can get info at ... I haven't heard Buck's solo album... and I'm *not* joining AOL! I've got enough of these internet things already! > I hope this answers all your questions, > and please...don't hold my mail server address against me... Hey, I'm sure there are plenty of nice people on AOL! I have an open mind! > I came here primarily out of interest in the Imaginos saga, > and hoping to find analytical & speculative discussion of same. > Looks like I came to the right place... =) You shoulda been here back before we had the 'official' lyrics for Imaginos... Brenda --- []]]]]]]] Brenda Holloway brendah at mbay.net [[[[[[[[] [[ ]]]]]] Sony New Technologies, Monterey, CA [[[[[[ ]] [[[ ]]]] http://www.sonysoft.com/brenda/ [[[[ ]]] [[[[ ]]] http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ [[[ ]]]] [[[[[ ] C Coder. C Coder Run. Run, Coder, Run. [ ]]]]] From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sun Jan 28 15:09:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 15:09:00 -0500 Subject: Hawkzine #4/MM Message-ID: I just finished reading the new Hawkzine #4 by Bob Lennon. Not a bad little zine. Anyway, the focus of my discussion here is that Bob used to be a big Monster Magnet fan and even had a long interview with Dave Wyndorf in his previous Hawkzine #2. Bob rags on the band for putting out too many singles from the new record (even though they all contain unreleased material), playing juvenile shows, and comparing them to REM and Stone Temple Pilots as far as MTV success goes (which is not even true)....... So what's my point... My point is that I thought that besides a few tracks that most of Dopes to Infinity was very heavy uncomprimsing spacy metal.. I wish the swishy sounds and audio generator sounds were higher in the mix, like Dave told me they originally were. Also, I spent an hour talking with Dave back in August and hs is not into the commercial rock shit. What he is trying to do is ride the very edge of the commercial music industry, enough so that he can make enough money to do the type of music things he wants to do and also still be creative and not have to comprimise too much. We spoke at length about how he wants to put out a double concept lp with 20 minute spaced out tracks, but that just doesn't fly with record companies etc... and until he has the control, he won't be able to do it. He is a huge HW fan and I think that ultimately he would like to get back to doing spacey stuff like the early HW material. Bob, I wouldn't count Dave out yet!! Scott ObCD: Spiral Realms- Crystal Jungles of Eos Honey tea, psilocybe larvae Honeymoon, silver spoon Psilocybe tea Who said this? From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jan 28 15:46:07 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 20:46:07 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Hawkzine #4/MM In-Reply-To: <01I0JQXAYN5I142M3Z@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> from "Scott Heller" at Jan 28, 96 03:09:00 pm Message-ID: Re: Monster Magnet > Bob rags on the band for putting > out too many singles from the new record (even though they all contain > unreleased material), playing juvenile shows, and comparing them to > REM and Stone Temple Pilots as far as MTV success goes (which is not > even true)....... So what's my point... My point is that I thought > that besides a few tracks that most of Dopes to Infinity was very > heavy uncomprimsing spacy metal.. I wish the swishy sounds and audio > generator sounds were higher in the mix, like Dave told me they > originally were. Also, I spent an hour talking with Dave back in > August and hs is not into the commercial rock shit. What he is trying > to do is ride the very edge of the commercial music industry, enough > so that he can make enough money to do the type of music things he > wants to do and also still be creative and not have to comprimise too > much. I must concur with Scott. I know Dopes was a bit of a departure from the earlier material, but what the hell? It was still excellent. And I concur with Wyndorf's analysis--sure it's great for fans to have an unknown little band all to themselves, but the musicians would actually like to make some money! (Monster Magnet's bass player had been reduced to flipping burgers before Dopes came out, after all!) Best if the musicians can ride the edge of the commericial wave to the top (or near enough) and still make some cool stuff. Then when they have the power they can do what they want. And they get to bring some cool sounds to more mainstream types along the way. Hell, if they want to lose popularity they can always release 75 minutes of "25 ... Tab (Slight Return)" :) We'll love it, but no one else will :) CHeers, Carl From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Jan 28 17:25:43 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 17:25:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Hawkzine #4/MM Message-ID: hi -i have been to several(more than seven) monstermag shows.i once counted the band as perhaps my third favorite.with the exception of whatever new tracks are included from latest albums,each show was IDENTICAL.down to dave's mock drug induced stupor. i saw dave pitch his guitar into the audience twice,in feigned anger.ive been a fan since this band put out its first material,and own everything to date.i think their music is awesome,even the hw rip-offs.but- they are phony to the bonies.dave refused to do a hw cover for a certain tribute album while claiming to be better than they are.not all of their cd singles have unreleased material,and anyone who owns it all can plainly see the marketing strategies.i bought a couple of EXTREMELY LIMITED edition eps,only to find a week later that the market was flooded with these items,selling for 5-7 dollars less than i paid.dave pretends to be a street freak/punk while he is actually a very serious businessman.i have spoken to him as well.imo he's full of IT.i am also bothered by the fact that wyndorf believes he is too big to allow fan recording.all of this is merely my educated oppinion.take it or leave it. i would recommend the music,but refrain myself for my personal convictions. now,scott,as we all know,bob is not on-line.he is not blessed with the opportunity to defend himself or even explain your statements about him.i, as a very close friend of his, would be grateful if in the future you could stick to voicing your own oppinions and not those of absent friends.i mean you no offence by this. for the record- the hawkzine #4 is titled "HAWK- U.S." that's {hawk- you -ess.} it is an authorized fanzine on which bob works very hard and expends considerable resource.it is free-you pay postage only. only once was bob forced to sell it at shows-he was given a loan to cover costs, and was on a deadline to pay it back.he charged a dollar a copy,but when he discussed it with the band,they insisted he charge more and give them the difference. any way, it's cool. scott thanks for mentioning the magazine. good day all rj From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sun Jan 28 17:29:10 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:29:10 GMT Subject: HW: Business Trip Date(s)? In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:45:12 -0500 Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > I have a question regarding Hawklords Live. > During the song Death Trap, the band stops playing, and there is a few > seconds of silence, then Calvert kinda apologizes, and they start playing > the song over again. Does anyone know what was going on, onstage at the > time? There were power-outs at the gig I attended. Could be there were equipment problems. FoFP From RunIago at AOL.COM Sun Jan 28 19:41:19 1996 From: RunIago at AOL.COM (Edward Hoden) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 19:41:19 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 / BOC in cyberspace Message-ID: Would you mind mailing me the locations on AOL for those folders? Thanks in advance. Run Iago From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Jan 28 21:09:59 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:09:59 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: On 28-JAN-1996 11:39:38.6 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Rob Maerz wrote: >> >> In a message dated 96-01-27 12:29:08 EST, you write: >> >> Still, people were yelling for Astronomy and Buck's >> >Boogie, but they didn't play either... >> >> they still play those 2 songs at times... >> > >> >> >Eric announced a new song from their upcoming 1996 album (I've been >> >waiting for this new album since '92; it's always just about to come >> >out), but it was just "Harvest Moon" again. They usually play some >songs > >from "Bad Channels", but not tonight. >> >> I didn't see them play any Bad Channels songs in 95...Demon's Kiss >is a per ty >> decent song that grew on me, and would be an upbeat crowd pleaser, >as well as >> the Horseman Arrive...they just added Harvest Moon to the set again, >and it >> sounds alot better now than it ever did...HM is a good tune... >> >> > >> >Anyway, on to "Before The Kiss, A Redcap", then another 'new' song, >"I'd > >Like To See You In Black". >> >> What was the crowd response to See You In Black? everytime I've >seen it > played live it has gotten a great response...probly the best >tune out of th e >> new batch... >> >> > >> >Eric announced that Alan would be playing guitar "on a stool!" for >the > >next song, "In Thee", and after a few guitar problems he >started in (if > >they're going to do songs from Mirrors with Alan, >why not do "Lonely > >Teardrops" with that neat Clavinet intro? Oh >well...) > >> Lonely Teardrops would probly never happen live...BOC had plans of >having a >> 2-3 song "acoustic" set, but that never surfaced...the other 2 songs >were t o >> be She's As Beautiful As A Foot and the Great Sun Jester...If my >memory > serves me well, they did indeed play Sun Jester at least once >live last > year...I haven't heard much about plans for the acoustic >set lately, but I > hope they put Reaper in there for a change of >pace... > > >> >After was "Lips In The Hills" from 'Cultosaurus Erectus', the only >song > >they played from that album (they didn't play anything from >'Imaginos', > >either -- is that because Al Bouchard isn't with them >anymore?) > >> from the mouth of EB "if ya wanna hear Imaginos live, go to a Brain >Surgeon s >> gig" >> >> > >> >Then came a string of their hits - "Burnin' for You" (which I thought >> >they'd follow with "Still Burnin'" from something Eric said, but it >> >didn't happen), then of course... >> >> Still Burnin is another fantastic tune...I would like to see this >one added >> to the set following Burnin For You and perhaps Dancin In The Ruins... >I think it's an absolute *natural* behind "Burnin' for You". I've >never heard Strange things is: When I saw 'em for the first time in Nov of '94, they played "Still Burnin'" FIRST and then "Burnin'"... Didn't make much sense to me. Chuck `[1;36;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Jan 28 21:10:12 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:10:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Hawkzine #4/MM Message-ID: On 28-JAN-1996 17:35:51.5 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >for the record- the hawkzine #4 is titled "HAWK- U.S." that's {hawk- you >-ess.} >it is an authorized fanzine on which bob works very hard and expends >considerable resource.it is free-you pay postage only. >only once was bob forced to sell it at shows-he was given a loan to >cover costs, >and was on a deadline to pay it back.he charged a dollar a copy,but >when he discussed it with the band,they insisted he charge more and >give them the difference. >any way, it's cool. >scott thanks for mentioning the magazine. >good day all >rj On the subject of Hawkzines, I can't remember which one it was that I sent away for - probably either Kadu Flyer, Hawkfan or the one mentioned above - I can say for sure that it's supposed to be free, except some postage, which I sent. This was about 3 weeks ago. Nothing back yet. Do these people get overloaded with replies?? Chuck "Even this doggerel that pours from my pen..." `[1;33;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Sun Jan 28 22:50:08 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:50:08 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: New tunes Message-ID: Hi Chuck: > >"St. Vitus Dance" - A cover of the Sab classic from Vol. 4, I presume? Cool. Sorry, no, but I trust you won't be dissapointed. It's a song I wrote with Hellen Wheels back in '75 redone for the late '90s. Al From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Sun Jan 28 22:55:11 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:55:11 -0500 Subject: Brain: More on New Tunes Message-ID: Hi Carl: > And so how is the process on new tunes coming? Last we heard >Steve Swann back in the fall, when he said the demos he heard were >mindbogglingly cool. I assume, the force of coolness has, if anything, >increased since, but is there an update from the Land of Neuro-Medicine? The basic tracks for those songs were all recorded by the Surgeons at the end of December in This Way Studio with Paul Special engineering. They are now in a much better form than when Steve, Tori and Chip heard them. With just a tad of vocal and lead guitar tweeking (and maybe some of those blaring horns again) they will be ready to mix. Actually right now we've been concintrating on getting a new batch of tunes to round out the album. I think we'll be ready to record them around the beginning of March. We have three learned and another 4-5 to finish. The record will be 14-16 songs. Once again it's a range of material: from the ludicrous to the sublime, the past to the future, tender to brutal (often in the same song), basic rock to heavy-duty riffage, etc. I do think it will be more like Trepanation than Eponymous. So far Deb's doing most of the lead vocals but I'm doing at least a couple and Pete will be making his debut as a lead singer. So far we have only one cool cover but we're still looking around. We still hope to have everything finished and ready to go by the summer. In the meantime we will have a bunch of new live dates to announce later this week starting around the end of Feb. We will definately play some stuff from the new album that even Steve Swann hasn't heard yet and some more hardly-ever- played BOC tunes too. Al From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Mon Jan 29 01:44:23 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 01:44:23 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: Brenda: >I haven't heard Buck's solo album... >and I'm *not* joining AOL! I've got enough >of these internet things already! Fair enough (chuckle), you ought to check out Buck's solo effort though, you can definitely hear which influences Mr. Roeser brings with him to the BOC recordings... >> I hope this answers all your questions, >> and please...don't hold my mail server address against me... >Hey, I'm sure there are plenty of nice people on AOL! >I have an open mind! Not nearly so many as you'd think. Alot of folks seem to live vicariously through their monitors when first venturing out into cyberspace. Had to invest in some asbestos undergarments. I tend to stay away from interaction, except with the AOL BOC crowd, who all seem to be quite normal & mature... hmmm... >> I came here primarily out of interest in the Imaginos saga, >> and hoping to find analytical & speculative discussion of same. >> Looks like I came to the right place... =) >You shoulda been here back before we had the 'official' lyrics for >Imaginos... What'd I miss? Rampant speculation? Wild, half-baked theories? Damn, that would have been an interesting discussion... I'll let you know how the Boys do up here in Seattle very soon. Only three days & a wake-up! The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Jan 29 06:52:05 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 06:52:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: My UK trip Message-ID: Gidday All, Just a quick question for the UK BOC-L'ers. Is there any particular stores which I should visit during my day off in London? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Jan 29 07:03:59 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 07:03:59 -0500 Subject: OFF : Tenuous link to both... Message-ID: > 2. Rodney Matthews has done several paintings based on themes found in MM > books. > 3. RM also painted several covers for (now defunct) Top Brummie pomp band > Magnum (Storytellers Night, Chase the Dragon, Eleventh Hour etc). > 4. Does anyone know of any Magnum pages / lists out there? I can't remember the URL, but there is a link to an ftp site with RM artwork off my 'Kool Links' page (http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html) Also, RM did a lot of the Eloy covers. Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Mon Jan 29 12:05:39 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:05:39 U Subject: OFF: My UK trip Message-ID: >Gidday All, >Just a quick question for the UK BOC-L'ers. Is there any particular >stores which I should visit during my day off in London? >Paul No. Cheers, Rich. ** this. is. not. a. fish? ** From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Mon Jan 29 12:19:03 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:19:03 U Subject: OFF : Tenuous link to both... Message-ID: >Also, RM did a lot of the Eloy covers. And Praying Mantis... From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Jan 29 08:09:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:09:00 -0500 Subject: Kadu Flyer Message-ID: Hello, The Kadu Flyer has been done for several weeks now but Chris and Mary havenot had the money to print it. So it may be a few more weeks before it is out. Scott ObCD: Kava Kava- You can Live Here From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 29 08:48:50 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:48:50 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Questions? -> Answers! Message-ID: Just got through a bunch of posts on BOC-L, and it appears we have some new members, or returning old members. Also, there was a question regarding BOC videos. For those of you who don't know, I just wanted to let you know that there is a BOC FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) available which may answer many of the questions you ask. There's stuff about *Imaginos* in there, the past and current line-ups, a comprehensive discography, lots of fun facts to impress your friends, as well as info on videos, the meanings behind some of the songs, and where on the 'net you can find other BOC stuff. I'm the editor of this document, and I got lots of input from fellow (past and present) BOC-L members, and lots of proof-reading by Bolle Gregmar, head of the BOC fanclub - who knows more about the band in some cases than they do (Eric Bloom used to say, "Bolle is The Blue Oyster Cult - we're just the band"). Also, as the editor, I'm always looking for more things to cram into this already massive document (by the way, version 2.1 should be coming out next month), so if anyone has additions or corrections, please let me know by sending e-mail to: jswartz at mitre.org To access the FAQ, you can use FTP to the BOC-L archives at ftp.spc.edu, and the FAQ is located in the BOC-L directory (current version is identified as "BOC_FAQ-2_0.TXT"), or if you have a web browser, it is available at the following locations: ftp://ftp.spc.edu http://fraze.ncsa.uiuc.edu/testpage.html http://polyphemus.engin.umich.edu/boc-l/ And here's some more cool web pages with BOC stuff: http://www.clark.net/pub/mileskb http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html http://users.aol.com/kenvt/boc.html http://www.sony.com/Music/ArtistInfo/BOC/index.html Also, for you BOC fans that are new to the list, I must put in a plug for one of my favorite bands, The Brain Surgeons. Fronted by BOC-L members Albert Bouchard (yes, THAT Albert Bouchard) and Deborah Frost (you want to talk about VOCALS?), this band has two highly acclaimed CDs out (*Eponymous* and *Trepanation*) of excellent music which I highly recommend to BOC fan and non-fan alike. If you can't find their discs in a store near you (*Eponymous* was released on the Ripe and Ready label in 1994, and *Trepanation* will be hitting the stores on the same label next month), you can write directly to the Brain Surgeons' original label, "Cellsum Records" at: Cellsum, P.O. Box 1070 Fort George Station New York, N.Y. 10040 John Swartz From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 29 08:27:40 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:27:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Hawkzine #4/MM In-Reply-To: <960128162945_129653010@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "RJPXR5@AOL.COM" at Jan 28, 96 05:25:43 pm Message-ID: > dave refused to do a hw cover for a certain > tribute album > while claiming to be better than they are. I thought they didn't do the tribute cover because of contractual obligations. After all, they did reherse a version of Born to Go which hasn't surfaced live or on disc (according to the band). > not all of their cd singles have > unreleased > material,and anyone who owns it all can plainly see the marketing > strategies.i bought a couple of EXTREMELY LIMITED edition eps,only to find a > week later that the market was flooded with these items,selling for 5-7 > dollars less than i paid. > dave pretends to be > a street freak/punk while he is actually a very serious businessman. Heck, music is a business, after all--they are supposed to be trying to make money. We all like to think of our musical heros as artistic crusaders, blessing the masses with their visions--which might be true, but they are also trying to make a buck. I'm sure Mozart was a dedicated artist, and I bet he wished his marketing strategies had been more astute just before he keeled over and got bunged into a mass paupers' grave ;) Would, that Hawkwind were serious enough business men, that they didn't have little problems like not having any T-shirts to sell to the money-waving masses--sheesh! Imagine Hawkwind _not_ losing money needlessly! The mind boggles at the potential .... :/ I'm not saying that musicians should be accountants, but just that the music business (and it is a business) is a very easy place to get screwed (ask Lemmy!) and a very difficult place to make a living ... Let's not forget occasional 'special limited edition' Hawkwind items that mysteriously appear in great droves. It's not like Doug Smith and Hawkwind don't know there are collectors out there who will drop 30 quid on a special re-release of _Live Chronicles_ in which you can hear Michael Moorcock sneeze on the microphone ;) I'll happily buy most special releases 'limited' or not if I have the money or the release entertains me significantly. It's not like I can't find out what's on the release before I buy it! (I draw the line at a 20+ dollar Monster Magnet CD-ROM for a CD-ROM player I don't have and that had tracks I already had elsewhere.) > i am also bothered by the fact that > wyndorf believes he is too big to allow fan recording. That is, indeed, a shame. Especially as he is hardly one to refuse a bootleg cassette himself! Perhaps this is another contractual necessity, or perhaps he still labors under the common misapprehension that taping cuts into sales rather than boosting them (as has been very adequately demonstrated by all the 'neo-hippy' bands like Phish and Blues Traveller who followed the Dead's lead in allowing taping and conqsequently attracted a far larger fan base through tape trading than they otherwise could have in the days before these bands acquired major label contracts). If Monster Magnet manage to avoid the depths of poverty that Hawkwind reguarly inhabits by pretending to be drug-addled time-travellers from 1972 while still producing music that I enjoy, then more power to them. (Hey, it works for Floyd ;) If I ever made it as a professional musician (only marginally less likely than finding a job as a scholar of medieval scandinavia ;) I would certainly want to balance art with putting food in my mouth. Luckily, I'll probably starve in the street without anyone hearing a note I play or the merest snippet of a lecture, so I probably won't be faced with such dialemnas ;) Cheers, Carl ps--I still wish the lads in Hawkwind had even a thimble-full of financial acumen. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 29 08:35:54 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:35:54 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Hawkzine #4/MM In-Reply-To: <01I0K3CFJNI099DS54@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Jan 28, 96 09:10:12 pm Message-ID: > On the subject of Hawkzines, I can't remember which one it was that I sent > away for - probably either Kadu Flyer, Hawkfan or the one mentioned > above - I can say for sure that it's supposed to be free, except some > postage, which I sent. This was about 3 weeks ago. Nothing back yet. Do > these people get overloaded with replies?? Ah, I would guess that would be the Kadu Flyer you sent off for, run by Chris and Mary Bruce. The Bruces are ... not the easiest people to interact with. I don't mean they are in any way unpleasant in attitude, just that they are about as easy to get ahold of by phone or mail as Darth Vader and produce issues of the Kadu Flyer erractically at best. Nice folks, though. For more regular updates, I suggest Bob's Hawkzine, whatever his current opinions on Monster Magnet :) Cheers, Carl From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 29 09:42:36 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:42:36 GMT Subject: HW: Single Images Message-ID: Re. the Images track on the Cyclops label 'California Brainstorm' CD and the 'Never-Ending Story Psychedelic Warlords' CD that came out with the Italian Book. Carl is absolutely right - the tracks are identical, even down to the shouts from the audience. So either the California Brainstorm track has been lifted from the other CD or the Italian CD track was taken from the California Brainstorm tour. We'll amend the Codex entry but can anyone say which gig the track originally came from? cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Jan 29 10:32:39 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:32:39 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: Hawkzine #4/MM In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:27:40 +0000 Message-ID: > Heck, music is a business, after all--they are supposed to be > trying to make money. Glad to see the spirit of the sixties lives on ... :-) (only joking) Dave. From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Jan 29 10:47:13 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:47:13 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: New tunes In-Reply-To: <01I0J47MYZOI9D4IHA@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Jan 28, 96 04:23:48 am Message-ID: I wrote: > >Steve has just been pressing Deb and Al for the same information. > >Having missed the last BS show, I don't know whether any of the new > >songs have been moved into the set list yet. I would *love* to see > >St. Vitus' Dance there, but I'm betting that Date With my Guitar will > >be the first in. It's a guaranteed crowd pleaser - I think possibly > >even more so than Medusa, which is the current crowd favorite (judging > >by the Applause-O-Meter). > >The new tunes sound like their strongest yet. HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM replied: > > "St. Vitus Dance" - A cover of the Sab classic from Vol. 4, I presume? Cool. Absolutely not. It shares the title (and good deal of the heaviness) :-) but it's a different tune. Steve From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 29 11:03:47 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:03:47 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: In a message dated 96-01-29 01:52:43 EST, dmitchissy at aol.com writes: >I tend to stay away from interaction, except with the AOL BOC >crowd, who all seem to be quite normal & mature... hmmm... Doug, you obviously haven't been around the AOL BOC crowd much... ;-) R. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 29 11:03:46 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:03:46 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: Martyn: BOC produced the Online T with the Reaper. They're in the process of doing another new T. The decision was down to the BOC album cover or the T&M album cover. I don't recall which cover won. Also, Buck has produced a Flat Out T-shirt. E-mail DharmaT at aol.com for details. He may be able to give you the ordering details on the BOC shirts too. With regard to there being another BOC BB in cyberspace, there is a LARGE boc contingent on AOL. Currently, there is a BOC folder, a Buck folder, a Soft White Underbelly folder, a Stalk-Forest Group folder and a BRAIN SURGEONS folder (ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION AL & DEB???). Folder participants include Eric, Buck, Buck's wife Sandy, Bolle (BOC fan club president and curator of the Museum O'Cult) and original SWU vocalist Les Bronstein. Joe Bouchard was online, but I haven't seen a post from him in 4-5 months and he's never been a regular participant. Al used to post in the BOC folder every blue moon using Deb's account, but I haven't seen anything from him on AOL in over 6 months. Sure would be nice to hear from Al and/or Deb in the BS folder... R. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Jan 29 11:34:35 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:34:35 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: >Martyn: >With regard to there being another BOC BB in cyberspace, there is a LARGE boc >contingent on AOL. Currently, there is a BOC folder, a Buck folder, a Soft >White Underbelly folder, a Stalk-Forest Group folder and a BRAIN SURGEONS >folder (ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION AL & DEB???). Interesting. For a non-AOL-person, what is a folder and are they accessible from the internet? Martyn From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Jan 29 11:43:48 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:43:48 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: In a message dated 96-01-29 11:38:27 EST, you write: > Interesting. For a non-AOL-person, what is a folder and >are they accessible from the internet? > > the "folders" are compiled of messages in the topic (Buck Dharma, BOC...etc etc)...this is America Online's content and is not accessible thru the internet... if there are any interested individuals, E me so I can get my 10 free hrs for signin' ya up! : ] ROBO From irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU Mon Jan 29 11:50:26 1996 From: irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:50:26 -0600 Subject: BOC: rumors In-Reply-To: <960127121330_128746122@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "Rob Maerz" at Jan 27, 96 12:13:31 pm Message-ID: > * George Geranios has left BOC to work with Anthrax I talked with Mr. Geranios in Las Vegas two summers ago, and he's been working with Anthrax for a while now. BOC does not provide enough steady work I think, so he works for BOC when he's not with Anthrax, and possibly some other band. > * The REAL BOC boxset will be released in September I hope so... -Bryan From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Jan 29 12:09:34 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:09:34 +0100 Subject: HW: IMAGES Message-ID: Hello The PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS (the Ialian CD) and the CALIFORNIA BRAINSTORM are absolute different CD's from different gigs!! The first one was recorded in LEICESTER; DeMONTFORD HALL, 05.11.1990 (I have got the tape!!!) The second one is from OAKLAND, OMI, 16.12.1990 AFAIK the IMAGES track from the CALIFORNIA BRAINSTORM is from the OAKLAND gig cheers Bernhard From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Jan 29 13:09:04 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:09:04 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: In a message dated 29/01/96 16:10:31, you write: >Folder participants include Eric, Buck, Buck's wife Sandy, Bolle (BOC fan >club president and curator of the Museum O'Cult) and original SWU vocalist >Les Bronstein. Joe Bouchard was online, but I haven't seen a post from him >in 4-5 months and he's never been a regular participant. Al used to post in >the BOC folder every blue moon using Deb's account, but I haven't seen >anything from him on AOL in over 6 months. Sure would be nice to hear from >Al and/or Deb in the BS folder... Since AOL started beta-testing in Europe, I've been able to take a look at what's going on here: 1 - The BOC folder is OK, I guess, but nothing like as good as boc-l. Too bloody much American football, too. (I mean, do I post to boc-l with, "Barnsley were a bit jammy to get a draw against Palace last week"? I think not; but a lot of the BOC folder is at a similar level. Or worse.) This is where Bloom posts gig lists and canvasses ideas for T-shirts (ie "which twenty-year-old design shall we use this time?" :). 2 - The Buck Dharma folder is occasionally interesting, for Don and Sandy's posts (Sandy Roeser, not Sandy Pearlman :) - the Roesers are very articulate and seem like nice people. Shame he can't get a better gig, really :) 3 - The SWU folder is basically interesting for Les's rambling reminiscences, which are sometimes amusing, but a bit marginal. 4 - The Stalk-Forrest and Surgeons folders are new this week (our robotic friend had a frenzy of folder creation :), so it's too soon to comment. Except, it was a blunder to put the Surgeons folder under "Classic Rock"! I mean, they're *good*! And they have a future!! Overall - I'll probably drop AOL when the free period ends, as the bulk of the forums seem a bit low-brow (God, don't I sound superior), and only the Buck Dharma folder is liekly to make me think again. - Andy ObCD: Natacha Atlas - _Diaspora_ From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Mon Jan 29 13:25:14 1996 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:25:14 -0500 Subject: HW: IMAGES Message-ID: > > Hello > > The PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS (the Ialian CD) and the CALIFORNIA BRAINSTORM are > absolute different CD's from different gigs!! > > > The first one was recorded in LEICESTER; DeMONTFORD HALL, 05.11.1990 > (I have got the tape!!!) > > > The second one is from OAKLAND, OMI, 16.12.1990 > > > AFAIK the IMAGES track from the CALIFORNIA BRAINSTORM is from the OAKLAND gig > > > cheers > Bernhard Are you sure Berhnard ? Jill seems convinved that the bouns Iamges is really from the Italian CD. This is important (well to the obsessed anyway) as I'd like not to have to buy another version of California brainstorm (yeh I know, wimp right ;-) ) Cheers, Steve L. From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 29 13:22:30 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:22:30 GMT Subject: HW: IMAGES In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:09:34 +0100 Message-ID: > Hello > > The PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS (the Ialian CD) and the CALIFORNIA BRAINSTORM are > absolute different CD's from different gigs!! > I know - but the original CD of California Brainstorm did NOT contain the Images track. It was only when re-issued under the Cyclops label that the Images track was added. Ergo and therefore someone had plenty of time to add one from somewhere else - and, in truth, this has been done often enough before has it not? I strongly recommend taping the Cyclops CB version and then playing the other in synchronisation with this tape. Switch back and forth between the two and there is not one iota of difference - the call from the crowd at the beginning is identical, so is every nuance and twitch from the vocals and the music, and the ending fades identically. > > The first one was recorded in LEICESTER; DeMONTFORD HALL, 05.11.1990 > (I have got the tape!!!) > Then could you compare this with the Cyclops 'California Brainstorm' Images track and tell me what you think. I have absolutely no doubt from what you say that the Leicester gig created the Italian CD. I merely note that the Italian CD track and the *Cyclops* 'California Brainstorm' track are identical in every way. Therefore I conclude from this that the 'Images' track has been added to the Cyclops 'California Brainstorm' CD issue from the Leicester gig. N'est ce pas? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 29 13:29:41 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:29:41 GMT Subject: OFF: My UK trip In-Reply-To: Assassin Sonique's message of Mon, 29 Jan 1996 06:52:05 -0500 Message-ID: > Gidday All, > > Just a quick question for the UK BOC-L'ers. Is there any particular > stores which I should visit during my day off in London? > Record stores? Yep go straight to HMV in Oxford Street, forgo all others, do not spend more than 100 pounds..... And don't bother with Virgin (IMO) - still there might be something worth finding there, you never know There are, however, a couple of smaller 2nd hand shops round the back of Oxford Street at the HMV end. Go up a little lane called Hannway Street and pay attention to everything you find there. Vinyl Solutions (I think that's their name) is the best known but there's a dingy one next door to it (whose name I always forget but invariably holds lost and wondrous rarities in its shady recesses) - although it only ever opens at mysterious times of its own, never to be deduced by the unsuspecting Gen. Public. There's a third one nearer the Oxford Street end that used to be good but is now more general and popular in terms of its stock. Have fun jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From brian at WEBGENESIS.COM Mon Jan 29 13:37:21 1996 From: brian at WEBGENESIS.COM (Brian Moseley) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:37:21 -0500 Subject: HW: where do I start? Message-ID: OK people I need to pick your brains. I've been into HW for about a year now (and lurking on this list for much of that time). Unfortunately, the stuff is hard to find around here. All I have are LIVE CHRONICLES, IT IS THE BUSINESS..., and seven or eight boots. I just turned on one of the guys over at the record shop to HW, so we're gonna start ordering some stuff. What I want to know is, where do I start? What do you suggest? Should I go with a $75 box set or are there are certain set of albums that I can't live without? I'm looking for some good advice here :) ----------------------------------------------- Brian Moseley WebGenesis, Inc. brian at webgenesis.com 607.255.2067 "The trouble with life is that, unlike movies, it doesn't have background music. We never know how we're supposed to feel." --- Lewis Gardner From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jan 29 13:37:40 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:37:40 +0000 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz In-Reply-To: <960129130902_409317603@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: > Since AOL started beta-testing in Europe, I've been able to take a look at > what's going on here: Is there any way to get onto BOC on AOL, or do we have to have an Internet subscription with AOL. I have absolutely no idea how this stuff works. Ignorantly, Dave From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Jan 29 13:48:48 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:48:48 +0100 Subject: HW: IMAGES Message-ID: Hi there Jill and Stephen o.k. I'll check the tapes and CD again and let you know what I've found If this is true what Jill found (IMAGES from LEICESTER gig on OAKLAND CD) then I must say that the peaople who did this are absolutely mad, because they could have used the OAKLAND version to complete this good CD Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 29 13:53:01 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:53:01 +0000 Subject: HW: where do I start? In-Reply-To: from "Brian Moseley" at Jan 29, 96 01:37:21 pm Message-ID: > I've been into HW for about a year now (and lurking on this list for much > of that time). Unfortunately, the stuff is hard to find around here. All I > have are LIVE CHRONICLES, IT IS THE BUSINESS..., and seven or eight boots. > I just turned on one of the guys over at the record shop to HW, so we're > gonna start ordering some stuff. What I want to know is, where do I start? > What do you suggest? Should I go with a $75 box set or are there are > certain set of albums that I can't live without? The 4CD set is a pretty good sampler of the band's history, and does have a couple of tracks unavailable elsewhere at present (mind you, every track ever recorded by Hawkwind is destined to end up on a compilation entitled _Master of the Universe_ at some point ;) but I would suggest getting a couple of 'real' albums. No Hawkfan should be without _Space Ritual_. It is a defining recording of classic Hawkwind. I would also strongly urge _Hall of the Mountain Grill_ and the live _Palace Springs_. If I had to rebuild my HW collection (gods forfend!) that is where I would start. Cheers, Carl From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Jan 29 13:59:03 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:59:03 -0500 Subject: HW: where do I start? Message-ID: >I just turned on one of the guys over at the record shop to HW, so we're >gonna start ordering some stuff. What I want to know is, where do I start? I think a _must_ for any HW fan is to get Palace Springs! Martyn From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 29 14:03:33 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:03:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Hawkzine #4/MM In-Reply-To: <809.9601291532@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Jan 29, 96 03:32:39 pm Message-ID: > > Heck, music is a business, after all--they are supposed to be > > trying to make money. > > Glad to see the spirit of the sixties lives on ... :-) (only joking) Amusingly enough, I once read an interview with the Grateful Dead, archetypical spirits of the 60s that they were, in which they were asked why they got into rock music. They admitted that after the phenomenal success of the Beatles they were hoping to make a lot of money and get women to scream for them ;) Well, it took them 20 years before they made a lot of money. Can't really say how successful they were at getting women to scream for them ... ;) Cheers, Carl From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jan 29 14:04:20 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:04:20 +0000 Subject: OFF: My UK trip In-Reply-To: <9601291829.aa09212@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: > > Gidday All, > > > > Just a quick question for the UK BOC-L'ers. Is there any particular > > stores which I should visit during my day off in London? > > > For 2nd hand there is also Reckless Records in Berwick St, off Oxford St, and also in Upper Street, Islington. Do you only mean record shops? Dave From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 29 14:05:14 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:05:14 -0500 Subject: ALBERT IN POUGHKEEPSIE FEB 4 Message-ID: Sunday, Feb 4 Albert Bouchard will be making a personal appearance at the Record Convention at the Mid-Hudson Civic Center in Poughkeepsie, NY, 1-3 pm Here's your chance to have all your questions answered, your albums signed, your photo taken, your chimes rung, world rocked, etc... From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Jan 29 14:17:02 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:17:02 +0100 Subject: HW: where do I start? Message-ID: >> I've been into HW for about a year now (and lurking on this list for much >> of that time). Unfortunately, the stuff is hard to find around here. All I >> have are LIVE CHRONICLES, IT IS THE BUSINESS..., and seven or eight boots. >> I just turned on one of the guys over at the record shop to HW, so we're >> gonna start ordering some stuff. Smart move! >> What I want to know is, where do I start? >> What do you suggest? Should I go with a $75 box set or are there are >> certain set of albums that I can't live without? > > The 4CD set is a pretty good sampler of the band's history, and >does have a couple of tracks unavailable elsewhere at present (mind you, >every track ever recorded by Hawkwind is destined to end up on a >compilation entitled _Master of the Universe_ at some point ;) ...and mixed together with tracks taken from the Anthology/Acid Daze series. >but I would suggest getting a couple of 'real' albums. > > No Hawkfan should be without _Space Ritual_. It is a defining >recording of classic Hawkwind. I would also strongly urge _Hall of the >Mountain Grill_ and the live _Palace Springs_. true. take _Warrior on the Edge of Time_ from the UA era, add _Quark, Strangeness & Charm_ from the famous Charisma years, find _Levitation_ from the Bronze age and complete your embryonic search with _Chronicle of the Black Sword_ from Porky's Prime Cuts, that's the studio album before the Live Chronicle tour. Now you've got the base to form your own compilation, which you may entitle _Master of the Universe_ :0) You say you got two main albums + seven or eight boots. Strange way to start a lifelong relationship with a band... Which is the name of those boots? \\joe\may the Mighty Hawks be with you From brian at WEBGENESIS.COM Mon Jan 29 14:35:58 1996 From: brian at WEBGENESIS.COM (Brian Moseley) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:35:58 -0500 Subject: HW: where do I start? Message-ID: >You say you got two main albums + seven or eight boots. Strange way to start >a lifelong relationship with a band... >Which is the name of those boots? heh. i found LIVE CHRONICLES in a random store in seattle and BUSINESS in the now-defunct import section of the local record store. didn't have much choice of what to buy.... the shows i have are all tapes from a dude here on the list. who is gonna be really pissed b/c i don't remember his name. i'm in dumbass mode right now. it was last summer, tho... i've been unsubscribed for several months and just resubscribed last week. i listed them below on the off chance that one of you doesn't have and wants to trade (i know, long shot... heh...) ------- 12/12/71 45 Birmingham Kinetic Playground 11/26/73 30 Chicago Auditorium, Chicago, IL 09/22/73 15 Harlow Park Festival 11/12/82 120 Hammersmith Odeon, London I 05/28/84 105 Marina Park, Ramsgate 12/17/90 95 I-Beam, San Francisco, CA 04/25/92 100 Southampton University 05/01/92 105 Edinburgh Playhouse ----------------------------------------------- Brian Moseley WebGenesis, Inc. brian at webgenesis.com 607.255.2067 "The trouble with life is that, unlike movies, it doesn't have background music. We never know how we're supposed to feel." --- Lewis Gardner From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 29 15:06:58 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:06:58 -0500 Subject: Fwd: BS Folder Message-ID: --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: BS Folder Date: 96-01-28 11:36:02 EST From: ROBODUDE To: DFrost8547 hey there! check out the BS Folder in Classic Rock! ROBO From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Jan 29 15:16:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:16:00 EST Subject: HW: 1 More Starter Message-ID: Brian, I HIGHLY recommend getting the Reading 86 Friday Rock Sessions CD before that sucker goes out of print. I think it is their best live album. It is import only. Bernhard, did they tinker with that one too or did the BBC keep Dave at arms length? Rudy From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 29 17:22:45 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 17:22:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Hawkzine #4/MM Message-ID: In a message dated 96-01-28 21:14:33 EST, you write: >On the subject of Hawkzines, I can't remember which one it was that I sent >away for - probably either Kadu Flyer, Hawkfan or the one mentioned >above - I can say for sure that it's supposed to be free, except some >postage, which I sent. This was about 3 weeks ago. Nothing back yet. Do >these people get overloaded with replies?? chuck- what state did you send postage to? hawkfan is uk,kadu is ma,hawk u.s. is pa,strange trips is oh. rj From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Mon Jan 29 23:08:26 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:08:26 -0500 Subject: BOC in Kazakhstan! Message-ID: I just got a long letter from a long time BOC fan. He has all the LPs but he's begun to collect the CD releases. I think he has FOUO and CN on CD but no others. Any BOC stuff in Kazakhstan is almost impossible to find but that's not the only problem. In Boris's words:. And another problem is dollars because it's still impossible to send hard currency from overhere and moreover our country is so poor that to get so many dollars will be like bankrupcy for me. But maybe we would can to do something like the trades? Is there something interested for you from my area? I would can get and send it to you as a trades. Of course in case if it's allowed to send across the border of this Moslim country. Maybe you're interested in propaganda stuff of former USSR, art books, posters, badges, banknotes etc.? Maybe you're interested in Russian LP records or in other music from here, maybe something else? Now my dreaming is complete collection of all BOC albums on CD format and of course all related CD albums. Please tell me what do you like in trades for all those CD albums. I'm gonna help this guy out with some Brain Surgeons stuff but is there anyone on BOC-L who might be interested in trading for BOC CDs with Boris? Of course he doesn't have email so here's his snail mail address: Boris Ignatov K. Marx-St. 53/26, Kokchetav 475000, Kazakhstanm C.I.S. (former USSR) I'm told that Amber and Amber jewelry is very inexpensive it that country. Al From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Jan 30 01:59:16 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 01:59:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Hawkzine #4/MM Message-ID: On 29-JAN-1996 18:06:08.9 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >In a message dated 96-01-28 21:14:33 EST, you write: >>On the subject of Hawkzines, I can't remember which one it was that I >sent >away for - probably either Kadu Flyer, Hawkfan or the one >mentioned >above - I can say for sure that it's supposed to be free, >except some >postage, which I sent. This was about 3 weeks ago. >Nothing back yet. Do >these people get overloaded with replies?? >chuck- what state did you send postage to? >hawkfan is uk,kadu is ma,hawk u.s. is pa,strange trips is oh. >rj Eh, don't even remember now. But judging from posts by Scott and Carl, it was Kadu. Hope that sucker didn't get lost in the rain or something. Anyway, I guess I'll just have to wait - I assume that they will get back to me eventually, as long as they stay organized. Chuck "Chester's go-rilla, she go 'quack!'..." `[1;37;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Tue Jan 30 03:44:24 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 03:44:24 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: Ric: >>I tend to stay away from interaction, except with the AOL BOC >>crowd, who all seem to be quite normal & mature... hmmm... >Doug, you obviously haven't been around the AOL BOC crowd much... Not yet anyway... I'll be down in Anaheim during the holidays next year, and will definitely be looking up Ed & Anita, and paying a visit to Bolle and Le Musee de Cult. I guess I'll know the real truth then... =) The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue Jan 30 04:33:43 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:33:43 GMT Subject: HW: where do I start? Message-ID: Brian Moseley wrote: [ some snipped stuff about getting into Hawkwind ] Hawkwinds output varies dramatically, not only in quality but in overall sound. I can hardly think of two albums that sound alike so bearing that in mind here are a few comments. The early stuff (pre '76) is more psychedelic and lots of this is very heavy. I'd go for SPACE RITUAL and DOREMI.... There's a couple of mid-period albums which are a bit more complex (but we're not talking Mahavishnu Orchestra here - this is complex heavy rock :-) and anyone should buy QUARK STRANGENESS AND CHARM. Late '70s/early 80's Hawkwind is mainstream NWOBHM with squeaky synths. The must-buy here is LEVITATION with SONIC ATTACK, CHOOSE YOUR MASQUES and CHRONICLES OF THE BLACK SWORD also worth shelling out for. The late 80's saw a plethora of shoddy live albums/bootlegs/ rip-off compilations which *serious collectors* on boc-l all seem to want. Plus a few studio albums that IMO suffered from the band going through the motions somewhat. The '90s have seen a real return to form. They're a bit ambient influenced now - but I think that's just old age and that they're not going to turn into Aphex Twin MkII. PALACE SPRINGS is excellent (one of the all-time great live albums) and I really like the new album. If you can find these cheap/second-hand/on vinyl (the way music should be) buy 'em all. Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue Jan 30 04:41:07 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:41:07 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: Hawkzine #4/MM Message-ID: Carl wrote: > Amusingly enough, I once read an interview with the Grateful Dead, > archetypical spirits of the 60s that they were, in which they were asked > why they got into rock music. They admitted that after the phenomenal > success of the Beatles they were hoping to make a lot of money and get > women to scream for them ;) I don't think the Dead were ever about the spirit of the 60s (whatever that was). OK they played at the acid tests but that was being in the wrong place at the wrong time. And yes they lived in a communal house for a while but that was poverty. Certainly their lyrics don't have any of that tree-hugging look at the lovely flowers shit that you get from real hippy-casualties. In fact a lot of their songs are about working class people trying to get by and are quite gritty. And some-time Dead lyricist and net freedom fighter John Barlow is a right-wing Republican...... > Well, it took them 20 years before they made a lot of money. And what a lot of money they made. Surely the most successful live act of all time! > Can't really say how successful they were at getting women to scream > for them ... ;) I would think that women would scream AT them not FOR them (PigPen and Garcia were hardly pin-ups!) Chris From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Jan 30 16:10:02 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:10:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: My UK trip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Richard Lockwood wrote: > >Just a quick question for the UK BOC-L'ers. Is there any particular > >stores which I should visit during my day off in London? > > No. Now, *that* is a great help (but I noted the smiley!) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Jan 30 16:17:34 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:17:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: My UK trip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For all the help, private & public ...... Thanks chaps! (& that includes Jill) Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Jan 30 08:52:29 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:52:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: Cope/Ozrics Message-ID: Thought some might be interested in a forthcoming "No Newbury By-pass" gig with Julian Cope and Ozric Tentacles - London Shepherd's Bush Empire, Feb 11. Might go myself, haven't made up my mind... - Andy ObCD: Various Artists - _Sif Safaa: New Music from the Middle East_ From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 30 08:43:57 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:43:57 GMT Subject: [M.Holmes@uk.ac.edinburgh: London Record Trail] Message-ID: Re the query about buying records in London. Warning: this was constructed a couple of years back and some of the shops may now be out of business. What you need to do this is a London A-Z, a Zone 6 Tube pass and between 4 and 6 hours. You're pretty certain to find lots of interesting goodies however. > London Records Trail > ===================== > > Start at Kings Cross > -------------------- > > Metropolitan Line West to Ladbroke Grove > ---------------------------------------- > {cross to Portobello Road and turn left, checking market stalls} > Honest Jon's, 278 Portobello Road > Youngblood, 297 Postobello Road (almost opposite Honest Jon's) > Vinyl Solution, 231 Portobello Road > Plastic Passion, 2 Bleinheim Crescent (off Portobello Road) > Rough Trade, 130 Talbot Road (off Portobello Road) > {turn right at bottom of Portobello Road} > Record & Tape Exchange, 28 Pembridge Road > {turn right at end of Pembridge Road for Our Price} > {turn left at end of Pembridge road for Book/CD shop and tube} > > => Notting Hill Gate > > District Line South to Kensington High Street > --------------------------------------------- > { commercial record shop on way to Tower records} > Tower Records, 62-64 Kensington High Street > {Other side 51 Kensington High street is a market} > > => Kensington High Street > > District Line South to Wimbledon > -------------------------------- > Big Star, 130 The Broadway > {walk down the Broadway and Merton Road to South Wimbledon Tube} > > => South Wimbledon > > Northern Line NorthEast to Balham > --------------------------------- > Magic Mixture Records, 31 Bedford Hill > Record Corner, 27 Bedford Hill > > => Balham > > Northern Line NorthEast to Clapham Common > ----------------------------------------- > Zippo Music, 39 Clapham Common > > => Clapham Common > > Northern Line Northeast to Angel > -------------------------------- > Our Price in Upper Street > Reckless Records, 79 Upper Street > > => Angel > > Northern Line NorthWest to Camden Town > -------------------------------------- > Camden Market, Camden High Street > Out on The Floor, 234 Camden High Street > Rhythm Records, 281 Camden High Street > Record & Tape Exchange, 229 Camden High Street > Rock On, 3 Kentish Town Road > Vinyl Experience, 3 Buck Street (Near camden Market) > > => Camden Town Tube > > Northern Line South to Leicester Square > --------------------------------------- > {Walk up on left on Charing Cross Road towards Tottenham Court Road} > {Turn left before Shaftesbury Avenue for Steve Sounds in a back Street} > {Turn left on Shaftesbury avenue then right on Rupert Street} > Cheapo, Cheapo Records, 53 Rupert Street > {Head up Rupert Street, checking market into Berwick Street} > Reckless Records, 30 Berwick Street > Cross from Berwick Street to Wardour Street > {St Anne's Court is a small lane between wardour St and Dean St} > Shades Records Basement, 12 St Anne's Court > {Head up Dean Street into Oxford Street} > Virgin, 8-16 Oxford Street > {Go to end of Oxford St, Turn left up Tottenham court Road} > Our Price, on left > {Turn left around here for Hanway Street} > Vinyl Experience, 20 Hanway Street > On The Beat, 22 Hanway Street > Rocks Off. 36 Hanway Street > {Back into Oxford Street, turn right} > HMV Main Branch, 150 Oxford Street > {keep going on Oxford Street towards Marble Arch} > HMV in Oxford St near Marble Arch > > => Marble Arch > > Central Line East to Oxford Circus > Change for Bakerloo Line South for Picadilly Circus > --------------------------------------------------- > Tower Records has entrance in Tube Station > > {Cross to Coventry Street for Our Price near Trocadero Centre} > > => Picadilly Circus to finish. ---- End of forwarded text ---- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 30 09:20:22 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:20:22 -0500 Subject: Fwd: BS Folder Message-ID: Hey ROBO: If there's any interesting stuff on the Brain Surgeons in the folder, please post them here. I'm especially interested in comments, album or show reviews that I could use to forward to publications when I request that they cover the Brain Surgeons. Speaking of which, I've gotten some very positive feedback from a few on-line publications, which are interested in learning more about the band. As always, these places should write to the Cellsum address for more detailed information, and obtaining CDs to review. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 30 09:32:03 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:32:03 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: Doug writes: I'll be down in Anaheim during the holidays next year, and will definitely be looking up Ed & Anita, and paying a visit to Bolle and Le Musee de Cult. I guess I'll know the real truth then... =) Another Lucky Bastard! ;-) I know, if I'd just fly out there I could visit the museum as well. Bolle reminds me every time I talk to him that I should come visit. One of these days . . . Bolle also likes to show the museum off, but he likes to be able to have interesting conversations with knowlegeable BOC fans. He has a vast store of rare, un-released, and "for you only" material that he'll play for you (but don't ask for copies), and he has a wealth of knowlege of all things BOC. Judging from my last phone call with Bolle, he gets a little agravated when people show up and want him play "Agents of Fortune" or some other readily available material. And he probably wants to have deeper conversations than people asking, "So, when did Buck shave off his moustache?" John From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Jan 30 11:51:23 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:51:23 +0100 Subject: HW: 1 More Starter Message-ID: Hello Rudy >Bernhard, did they tinker with that one too or did the BBC keep Dave at arms >length? :-) Dave did AFAIK not to much on this CD, though the complete TEADING 1986 gig (I have on tape) is much more interesting because they played CHOOSE YOUR MASKS a b s o l u t e l y wrong !!! They had during this song a real downer Bernhard From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Tue Jan 30 12:59:31 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:59:31 -0600 Subject: OFF: Cope/Ozrics In-Reply-To: <960130085228_410144064@emout07.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Andy Gilham wrote: > Thought some might be interested in a forthcoming "No Newbury By-pass" gig > with Julian Cope and Ozric Tentacles - London Shepherd's Bush Empire, Feb 11. > Might go myself, haven't made up my mind... > > - Andy > > ObCD: Various Artists - _Sif Safaa: New Music from the Middle East_ > you better go - i'd love to have these guys playing down the street(same country even) from me! Anyone know of any good shows coming up soon in the atlanta area? BTW what was the consensus on the new ozrics album? this guy here told me his friend who has it really dislikes it. i can't imagine why but before i shell out some cash i'd like to know what others thought. -mike psyche From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Jan 30 13:08:28 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:08:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Saw these for sale In-Reply-To: <199601281356.OAA06573@exit.ruhr.de> from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Jan 28, 96 02:56:08 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks: Was just flipping through the 'CD marketplace' newsgroup, and came upon this guy who has four HW CD's for sale...if anyone's interested. Keith H. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'm clearing out some CDs. Feel free to make an offer. I will ship overseas, just add $1 more in your offer. Full-length CDs: Hawkwind - Space Ritual Vol. 1 (2 CDs) Hawkwind - Space Ritual Vol. 2 (import) Hawkwind - Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-85 (import) Hawkwind - The Collection (import) byron towle (byron at tellabs.com) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Remember....e-mail this guy, not me....thanks :) From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Jan 30 14:06:54 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 14:06:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: Atlanta/Ozrics In-Reply-To: from "Michael P Mccollum" at Jan 30, 96 11:59:31 am Message-ID: (whew! Back on at last!) > CHOMP! > > > you better go - i'd love to have these guys playing down the street(same > country even) from me! Anyone know of any good shows coming up soon in > the atlanta area? Like what? There ain't nothing good on the radar screen that I've seen coming up. _Supposedly_ Jean-Michel Jarre is/was going to do an Atlanta extravaganza, but I haven't seen or heard anything from any local sourse. Other than that, nada... > BTW what was the consensus on the new ozrics album? > this guy here told me his friend who has it really dislikes it. i can't > imagine why but before i shell out some cash i'd like to know what others > thought. > > -mike psyche > I took a while to warm up to it, 'cuz this one dosen't grab you the way that Strangitudes/Jurassic/Erpland did. Oh, the opening track, "Cat DNA" is a full-throttle OT rocker, ala "White Rhino Tea", but the rest of the disk is more subtle, overall. Kinda like the Ozrics stopped to take a breath, y'know? Maybe your buddies buddy will sell you the CD real cheap, since he dosen't like it??? -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Jan 30 14:29:08 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 20:29:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Images Message-ID: Hello there Jill, you are right!!!!! The IMAGES track from the California Brainstorm CD is from the LEICESTER gig, 05.November 1990 Bernhard From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Jan 30 15:04:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:04:00 EST Subject: HW: Reading Redux Message-ID: >:-) Dave did AFAIK not to much on this CD, though the complete TEADING 1986 >gig (I have on tape) is much more interesting because they played CHOOSE >YOUR MASKS a b s o l u t e l y wrong !!! They had during this song a real >downer >Bernhard If they ever released that song it probably be note perfect. Rudy "Is it live or is it Dave FX?" From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jan 30 18:07:34 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 23:07:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: Atlanta/Ozrics In-Reply-To: <9601301906.AA08415@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> from "Craig Shipley" at Jan 30, 96 02:06:54 pm Message-ID: Re: Become the Other > I took a while to warm up to it, 'cuz this one dosen't grab you the way that > Strangitudes/Jurassic/Erpland did. Oh, the opening track, "Cat DNA" is a > full-throttle OT rocker, ala "White Rhino Tea", but the rest of the disk > is more subtle, overall. Kinda like the Ozrics stopped to take a breath, > y'know? I dunno, I thought Vibuthi (or whatever) was pretty rocking. There's some acoustic voicing, but it really rips in places ... Cheers, Carl From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 30 18:10:12 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:10:12 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: > Bolle also likes to >show the museum off, but he likes to be able to have interesting >conversations with knowlegeable BOC fans. He has a vast store of rare, >un-released, and "for you only" material that he'll play for you (but >don't ask for copies), and he has a wealth of knowlege of all things >BOC. If you ever make it to the Museum, ask him to play the ONE mistake BOC made in their album song selection. It's a KILLER track that should have been on AOF instead of "Debbie Denise"... R. From RunIago at AOL.COM Tue Jan 30 21:48:15 1996 From: RunIago at AOL.COM (Edward Hoden) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:48:15 -0500 Subject: Brain: More on New Tunes Message-ID: Do ya think tBS will ever tour outside the NY area? We're talkin' central states here. Run Iago From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Jan 30 22:02:06 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 22:02:06 -0500 Subject: HW: where do I start? Message-ID: > No Hawkfan should be without _Space Ritual_. It is a defining >recording of classic Hawkwind. I would also strongly urge _Hall of the >Mountain Grill_ and the live _Palace Springs_. You forgot_- In Search of Space_!! regards, bill stewart From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Jan 31 01:56:14 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 01:56:14 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: In a message dated 96-01-30 18:17:21 EST, you write: >If you ever make it to the Museum, ask him to play the ONE mistake BOC made >in their album song selection. It's a KILLER track that should have been on >AOF instead of "Debbie Denise"... > >R. > I'll probly ask him where the beer and pretzels are, too...so I can stay awhile! I'm getting some pics of the museum mailed to me which should arrive hopefully this week...so I will share them with everybody on the Underbelly, as Bolle has given me permission to do so... ROBO From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Jan 31 05:17:01 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr. Big Mike Light) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:17:01 +0000 Subject: almost HW stuff Message-ID: Dear all, here are 2 bits of nearly off topic stuff that you don't really want to know. 1. There is a book written by John Gill, entitled 'Hype!', which I obviously had to read as it had the tag lines 'sex and drugs and alcohol', 'the making of a band' and 'a bad trip you can call your own'. Well it is a dreadful book, unsure of what it wants to be. It tells the story of a hippy revival, the movement entitled the New Aquarians, led by a band called Kenny & the Merry Pranksters. The only other thing of interest (other than the book's title) is a PR party where 'A DJ had set up his decks in a room off the hall, and was currently playing early Hawkwind records at near deafening volume', after a while the journalist says 'Let's go for a walk. Hawkwind records make me nervous.' 2. OK, so I'm not sure I want to be quite this sad as to type this in, and henceforth be known as the saddest man on boc-l, but hey why not. On the new Tori Amos album (I'm only borrowing it from my mother [who cannot be all bad as she took me to Watchfield festival]) she thanks her travel agent, who is Dave Brock at Trinifold Travel, London. OK, that's it. Mike w From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Jan 31 05:37:02 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:37:02 +0100 Subject: almost HW stuff Message-ID: >'A DJ had set up his decks in a room off the hall, and was currently >playing early Hawkwind records at near deafening volume', after a while >the journalist says >'Let's go for a walk. Hawkwind records make me nervous.' I begin to see things clear now... Right now testing my 80W loudspeakers on the PC at my office - and in the CD player it's X In Search... Some folks here are acting strange, but nobody seems to tell me what's wrong :0( They may be suffering of a Sonic Attack? >Mike w \\joe From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 31 07:53:33 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:53:33 EST Subject: almost HW stuff Message-ID: > Dear all, > here are 2 bits of nearly off topic stuff that you don't really want to > know. > > 1. There is a book written by John Gill, entitled 'Hype!', which I > obviously had to read as it had the tag lines 'sex and drugs and alcohol', > 'the making of a band' and 'a bad trip you can call your own'. Well it is > a dreadful book, unsure of what it wants to be. It tells the story of a > hippy revival, the movement entitled the New Aquarians, led by a band > called Kenny & the Merry Pranksters. The only other thing of interest > (other than the book's title) is a PR party where > > 'A DJ had set up his decks in a room off the hall, and was currently > playing early Hawkwind records at near deafening volume', after a while > the journalist says > 'Let's go for a walk. Hawkwind records make me nervous.' > > 2. OK, so I'm not sure I want to be quite this sad as to type this in, > and henceforth be known as the saddest man on boc-l, but hey why not. > > On the new Tori Amos album (I'm only borrowing it from my mother [who > cannot be all bad as she took me to Watchfield festival]) she thanks her > travel agent, who is Dave Brock at Trinifold Travel, London. > > > OK, that's it. > > Mike w MIke, That reference to the Merry Pranksters is, of course a direct link to Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters, a goup who were certainly not fictional. These are the folks that Tom Wolfe writes about in 'The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test.' Better to read that than 'Hype.' Also, there is a [largely pictorial] book that chronicles the adventures of the pranksters, including their psychedelic-painted bus in which they travrsed the nation. It's name escapes me now [too much kool aid?] Kesey is best known for having written 'One Flew Over the Cukoo's Nest,' and then semi-retiring. There's an amazing vignette in Wolfe's book about the Pranksters attending a Beatles concert in San Fran/Oakland after the whole group dropped acid. I don't know if the Pranksters were still around to appreciate early Hawkwind. When was their first album issued? Could be the author of 'Hype' just latched upon the concept of the Pranksters and appropriated it for use in his book. Was 'Hype' hyped as a novel? If not, I think it probably should be. And, I think Tom Wolfe's lawyer ought to be in touch with him! 'Electric Kool Aid...' should be required reading for membership to BOC-L! theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 31 07:59:07 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:59:07 EST Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: > In a message dated 96-01-30 18:17:21 EST, you write: > > >If you ever make it to the Museum, ask him to play the ONE mistake BOC made > >in their album song selection. It's a KILLER track that should have been on > >AOF instead of "Debbie Denise"... > > > >R. > > I wish they had only made one such mistake! There are many on BOC-L who would argue that 'Club Ninja' is one big mistake, along with much of 'Revolution by Night! Can you share with us the name of the song left off 'Agents?' Also, why didn't they put it on a subsequent album? Anything after 'Spectres' could have used such a shot in the arm [so to speak] theo From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 31 08:50:01 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:50:01 GMT Subject: almost HW stuff In-Reply-To: Ted O. Jackson's message of Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:53:33 EST Message-ID: Ted O. Jackson writes: > That reference to the Merry Pranksters is, of course a direct link to > Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters, a goup who were certainly not > fictional. These are the folks that Tom Wolfe writes about in 'The > Electric Kool Aid Acid Test.' Better to read that than 'Hype.' > Also, there is a [largely pictorial] book that chronicles the > adventures of the pranksters, including their psychedelic-painted bus > in which they travrsed the nation. It's name escapes me now [too > much kool aid?] "Furthur"? > Kesey is best known for having written 'One Flew Over > the Cukoo's Nest,' and then semi-retiring. There's an amazing > vignette in Wolfe's book about the Pranksters attending a Beatles > concert in San Fran/Oakland after the whole group dropped acid. I > don't know if the Pranksters were still around to appreciate early > Hawkwind. Some were. I think Hawkwind played a kinda revival Acid-Test gig on their first US tour as a benefit for Timothy Leary who was then in Jail. Kris Tait's book has a vignette about Learyites wanting Hawkwind to play from a silver painted helicopter which would land in the prison yard to rescue Leary. > When was their first album issued? 1970. FoFP From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Wed Jan 31 09:12:28 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 08:12:28 -0600 Subject: almost HW stuff In-Reply-To: <410EDFE2E9B@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Ted O. Jackson wrote: 'Electric Kool Aid...' should > be required reading for membership to BOC-L! > theo > i've already done that - how about drinking it? -mike psyche From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Wed Jan 31 14:12:18 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:12:18 U Subject: BOC: Big Mistakes Message-ID: >> >> >If you ever make it to the Museum, ask him to play the ONE mistake BOC made >> >in their album song selection. It's a KILLER track that should have been on >> >AOF instead of "Debbie Denise"... >> > >> >R. >> > >I wish they had only made one such mistake! There are many on BOC-L >who would argue that 'Club Ninja' is one big mistake, along with much >of 'Revolution by Night! Can you share with us the name of the song >left off 'Agents?' Also, why didn't they put it on a subsequent >album? Anything after 'Spectres' could have used such a shot in the >arm [so to speak] >theo Hmm. Most of Club Ninja was pretty weak, but RbN? The only person I know who doesn't like it has good reason. He spent a night asleep after a very heavy beer and curry night with his head next to a speaker. No problem there, but the stereo was playing a repeating tape loop of said album... Says he can't listen to it again, which I'd say is a shame! Cheers, Rich. *********************************************************** ** The grave of Karl Marx is just another communist plot ** *********************************************************** From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Wed Jan 31 09:34:54 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:34:54 -0500 Subject: BOC in Kazakhstan! Message-ID: Sir Al & all BOC-L members: >I just got a long letter from a long time BOC fan. He has all the LPs >but he's begun to collect the CD releases. I think he has FOUO and >CN on CD but no others. Any BOC stuff in Kazakhstan is almost >impossible to find but that's not the only problem. Almost impossible? I'm amazed he found the two he's got! Wonder how the vinyl's & the CD's made it into their market... >In Boris's words:. >And another problem is dollars because it's still impossible to >send hard currency from overhere and moreover our country is >so poor that to get so many dollars will be like bankrupcy for >me. But maybe we would can to do something like the trades? Barter is a wonderful thing... =) >Is there something interested for you from my area? I would can >get and send it to you as a trades. Of course in case if it's allowed >to send across the border of this Moslim country. Maybe you're >interested in propaganda stuff of former USSR, art books, posters, >badges, banknotes etc.? Maybe you're interested in Russian LP >records or in other music from here, maybe something else? Now >my dreaming is complete collection of all BOC albums on CD >format and of course all related CD albums. Please tell me what >do you like in trades for all those CD albums. Hearing someone express this kind of interest, with such extremely limited access to the Western media we take so much for granted, makes me think it would be a nice gesture by the BOC-L members to collectively donate the BOC catalog to our distant brother Boris. >I'm gonna help this guy out with some Brain Surgeons stuff but is >there anyone on BOC-L who might be interested in trading for BOC >CDs with Boris? Of course he doesn't have email so here's his snail >mail address: >Boris Ignatov >K. Marx-St. 53/26, >Kokchetav 475000, >Kazakhstanm C.I.S. >(former USSR) I'll be sending him a copy of Secret Treaties, my personal favorite. I don't see how he could live without it... =) I hope he likes it! The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Wed Jan 31 09:33:27 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:33:27 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: Sir John: >>I'll be down in Anaheim during the holidays next year, and will >>definitely be looking up Ed & Anita, and paying a visit to Bolle >>and Le Musee de Cult. I guess I'll know the real truth then... =) >Another Lucky Bastard! ;-) I know, if I'd just fly out there I could >visit the museum as well. Bolle reminds me every time I talk to >him that I should come visit. One of these days . . . Bolle also >likes to show the museum off, but he likes to be able to have >interesting conversations with knowlegeable BOC fans. I look forward to his reminiscences. And picking his brain... =) >He has a vast store of rare, un-released, and "for you only" material >that he'll play for you (but don't ask for copies), and he has a wealth >of knowlege of all things BOC. Judging from my last phone call with >Bolle, he gets a little aggravated when people show up and want him >to play "Agents of Fortune" or some other readily available material. I've already started, with the aid of other folks, my own collection of the live radio broadcasts & such. Can't wait to get my ears around The Stalk/Forrest Group material, and anything else folks are willing to tape. I'm willing to bet Bolle can blow me away with the number of renditions of 'Last Days Of May' he's probably got on file. I'll post my reasons for mentioning this song later... =) >And he probably wants to have deeper conversations than people >asking, "So, when did Buck shave off his moustache?" So, when did Buck shave off his moustache? (chuckle) The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Wed Jan 31 09:33:30 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:33:30 -0500 Subject: And Then Came The Last Days Of May... Message-ID: Here's a little tidbit I posted to the alt.m.boc earlier, explaining why 'Last Days' is such a special song for me... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I posted this to the newsgroup recently when discussing experiences) It's interesting how many transcendent moments in one's life are linked to music. Whether it's an album, a song, or a note, a very primeval set of sensations & feelings seem to be triggered. My own little B.O.C. moment happened during my senior year of high school, during a very late night spent at a local lakeside park with a few good friends. It was a lazy, hazy summer night, and we had decided that we were going to wander into Gene Coulon Park 'after dark' and hang out. The night arrived clear & warm, with an almost full moon lighting our way. We arrived at the park in 'an excellent mood', and prepared to continue through till morning... Coulon Park wraps around the south end of Lake Washington, and is a hilly, evergreen & grass swath with several interesting docks protruding into the lake. The best of which forms a giant horseshoe, with several little picnic 'pods' around it's perimeter. We chose the outermost pod, with an excellent view north across the Lake to Mercer Island, and the I-90 floating brodge. I had my walkman in my jacket pocket, and one of the self-made recordings I'd brought with included most of B.O.C.'s first three albums... The transcendent moment appeared without warning during a quiet stretch of minutes, as I sat by myself in the sunken picnic pod, with the water lapping up against the side of the float. I had just flipped the tape over to side 2, sat back against the wall at one end of the bench seat, and 'enhanced my mood' again, when I began to sink into the surroundings. The full moon slightly west of true north, the wispy cirrus clouds that shone at the edges in the moonlight, the whisper of an ever so slight breeze in my hair.... As I melted into the moment, "Then Came The Last Days Of May" rolled in on the headphones, and I found myself watching the song playout in the dark water. The sense of foreboding oozed out of the music, and into my head. It was eerie, in an almost scary sense... As the guitar wound down after the last verse, the tape faded into 'Astronomy', and I continued my long slow ride into darkness. Not until side 2 ended did the harsh edges of reality snap back into focus... At that moment I realized that I would remember this particular night every time I saw a full moon, and every time I hear 'Last Days Of May'. And that, Anita, is why it is my favorite B.O.C. song... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store Issaquah, Washington 98027 @http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Wed Jan 31 09:33:36 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:33:36 -0500 Subject: Are WE The Blue Oyster Cult? Message-ID: Here's a thought: Consider that we all 'worship' to some degree or another the music that emanates from the Big Blue Orb... Rosie (Afterburner) had this glorious vision of what the music all meant, and it brought me here: An alien race discovers a scorched planet, what remains of Earth, and uncovers fragments of Earth's recorded history. In among these bits of the centuries are the collective recordings of Blue Oyster Cult. After years of research on their home world, they are finally able to decipher the meaning of the recordings, and conclude that Earth was once, millions of years ago, home to a great race of elders who possessed a complete knowledge of the universe, & who were worshipped by the lower beings of the planet as gods. Their symbol, their icon, was a giant glowing blue orb... Are we not these people? The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store Issaquah, Washington 98027 @http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Wed Jan 31 09:32:56 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:32:56 -0500 Subject: Tyranny & Mutation Spend A Day @ The Office... Message-ID: Here's an interesting little anecdote: Friday was one of those days. One those days that you just know are going to be a struggle. I often bring CD's to the office, to render small holes in the frequent tedium with song. This last Friday, as is usually the case, I brought along a little B.O.C.. I will usually close the office door when absorbing myself in my musical indulgence, but this last Friday I left it open... I wandered through Loreena McKennitt (The Visit), The Chieftains (A Chieftains Celebration), and into the likes of Jethro Tull (Heavy Horses) & Yes (Talk). After lunch, the big guns came out... I started off with Jimi Hendrix (Band Of Gypsys), transitioning into Pat Travers (Black Pearl), Carlos Santana (Milagro), & finally the Grand Finale --- Tyranny & Mutation... It was quite interesting to see the difference between the knowing glances, & the looks of complete misunderstanding. Funny how most of the 'knowing' eyes belonged to our engineering types, and the rest from sales & marketing. Hmmmmm..... Finished the day with a small gathering in the office over a fresh batch of one of the fellows homebrew, just reaching it's prime. This definitely qualified as one of my better days @ the office in recent memory... It was probably the B.O.C.... =) The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Wed Jan 31 09:33:33 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:33:33 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Questions? -> Answers! Message-ID: Sir John of the LongFaq: >Just got through a bunch of posts on BOC-L, and it appears >we have some new members, or returning old members. Yes, at least one new member, anyway. As I dig ever deeper into the BOC presence on the Internet, I continue to be amazed at the quantity & quality of the folks out there who are still dedicated to the cause. I've spent the last several years in BOC 'isolation', listening to the catalog and wondering if anyone else still did. Then I wandered by the newly formed alt.m.boc, and now I've found my way out here onto the fringes... >For those of you who don't know, I just wanted to let you know >that there is a BOC FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) >available which may answer many of the questions you ask. >There's stuff about *Imaginos* in there, the past and current >line-ups, a comprehensive discography, lots of fun facts to >impress your friends, as well as info on videos, the meanings >behind some of the songs, and where on the 'net you can find >other BOC stuff. It is a VERY comprehensive document, and good reading to get one started down the path, if you're at all interested in the thoughts & motivations behind the music... And it's over 4 meg, isn't it John? Worth making the space on your hard-drive for, though... =) The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Wed Jan 31 09:33:34 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:33:34 -0500 Subject: And The Gods Listened... Message-ID: There are times in one's life when you realize that you are in the presence of greatness... Not too many months ago, Carlos Santana made an appearance @ The Gorge, a spectacular outdoor amphitheater overlooking the mighty Columbia River in central Washington State. I went prepared for a wonderful evening, and was not disappointed. There was a point near the end of the set, during 'Vive La Vida', when the purity of the musical energy being generated & the sheer splendor of the surroundings began coalescing into one of the more beautiful moments I have ever had the honor to witness. It was as if the Gods Of Music were descending, to listen, dance, & take part in this transcendent moment in time... The Gods, they danced... My first concert experience was of similar caliber, for one simple, elegant reason...Blue Oyster Cult. My first concert was the Seattle stop on the Black & Blue tour, outdoors, in Memorial Stadium. I was an impressionable 13 years old, and took in the surroundings with a genuine sense of awe, not knowing what would soon happen to me. A band some of you may remember, Riot, opened the show, followed by Molly Hatchet. The break between Molly Hatchet & Blue Oyster Cult was a long one, and by the time the 'Subhumans' took the stage, the crowd was in a frenzy. It was then that I was inducted into the realm of Desdinova. The next hour & a half found me witness to the spectacle that was B.O.C.. I am not much for religion, but I would swear that the ArchAngels themselves sat atop the Marshalls, as the music penetrated everything within the visible spectrum... The Gods, they listened... The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Jan 31 09:31:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:31:00 EST Subject: HW: 2 compilation tape projects Message-ID: Recent discussions on the list have given me an idea for a 2nd comp. tape that might be enjoyable for HW buffs (the 1st is reprised below - a gentle reminder, Mike). It would be a "blooper" tape that could be called "Hawkwind Hiccups - Don't Let Dave Catch You With This." We've got the Reading 86 "Choose Your Masks" and various Hawklords power failure tunes. I'm sure Bernhard and FoFP can come up with others. This would be the equivalent of stamp misprints to stamp collectors. All the more enjoyable for their flaws and rarity. This would be a hard core kollektable that list members could brag about. The 1st project is the rare "live only " tracks that has been mentioned before. Rudy >> I've abstracted out rare tracks from the tracks poll. These are tracks >> which have appeared at gigs, on tapes, or singles but which have never >> appeared on LP or CD. >I guess it'd be good to find as clear as possible tape copies of these >and put a compilation tape together > Posn Track Score Votes Author > > 1 Star Song 997 2 Wishart > 11 New Jerusalem 813 8 Blake > 14 The Blackening Rabbit 813 1 Brock? > 41 The Joker Of The Universe 725 2 Moorcock > 64 First Landing On Medusa 671 5 Brock > 73 The Timeship Will Not Sail Again 643 2 Moorcock > 76 Your Secret's Safe With Me 640 6 Wishart > 78 Where Are They Now? 639 4 Brock > 96 Time For Sale 597 2 Calvert? > 113 Astronauts 564 1 Ashley > 139 Trans Dimensional Man 509 5 Brock > 142 Note From A Cold Planet 508 3 Moorcock > 160 Waiting For Nati 476 5 Blake > 163 Space Travellers 465 3 Bainbridge? > 173 The Welcoming Hands Of Space 454 3 Ashley > 191 They've Got Your Number 417 3 Langton > 196 Make What You Can 410 4 Brock > 201 Touchdown 400 3 Brock > 210 Etchanatae 369 4 Brock? > 216 Mark Of Cain 353 3 Langton > 231 Ode To A Crystal Set 333 2 Calvert > 247 Time Of 307 6 Brock? > 288 My Armour's Killing Me 161 6 Moorcock > 292 Raping Robots In The Street 137 6 Brock > 307 Live And Let Live 13 2 Brock? >also: >Rambo In Space Ashley >Coleridge On The Enterprise Ashley .Land of Inspirations Chadwick >There might also be a case for adding weird stuff like Moorcock doing >"Warriors On the Edge" to the tune of "Spirit of the Age" >Anyone know of any others? >FoFP From clarko at CS.CORNELL.EDU Wed Jan 31 09:55:06 1996 From: clarko at CS.CORNELL.EDU (Clark F. Olson) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:55:06 -0500 Subject: Type O Negative covers BOC? Message-ID: Recent post on alt.rock-n-roll.metal: From: HIERONYMUS at flash.gun.de (Hieronymus) [1] 4S: Carnivore/TON CD Boots Ave Negativians, I have several Type O Negative and Carnivore bootlegs on CDR. Does anyone of you like to buy one or more of them? In return I accept cash, other boots you may have or even swapping some items I'm looking after (above all any Type-O Promo CDs and other recordings in good quality - I accept DAT/audio tape/CD). Btw: I can supply them in _any_ amount - for overseas (this is Germany) customers I'd prefer orders with more than one item. Further information is available via e-mail. However, sorry for the noise and Stay Negative. "What is more harmful than any vice?" - Hieronymus ----- several CDs cut ------ CD#06 _Type O Negative_ "Slower, Deeper And Harder" (74 min) - Recorded Live: Are You Afraid To Die, Gravitational Constant..., Race War, Prelude To Agony, Xero Tolerance, Hey Peter, Xero Tolerance Reprise, Predator - Unreleased Studio Demos: Unsuccessfully Coping With The Natural Beauty Of Infidelity, The Subhuman, Black Sabbath ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Has anyone heard this? Is it the BOC song? Does anybody else have a copy to trade? I'm a fan of both BOC and TON and would be interested in hearing this, assuming that it is the BOC song. Clark Olson clarko at cs.cornell.edu From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Jan 31 09:55:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:55:00 EST Subject: BOC : Aid for Kazakhstan! Message-ID: >Hearing someone express this kind of interest, with such extremely >limited access to the Western media we take so much for granted, >makes me think it would be a nice gesture by the BOC-L members >to collectively donate the BOC catalog to our distant brother Boris. Capital idea, Snowman! I couldn't agree more. I'd be willing to coordinate something if the list members want to do something for Boris. Kazakhstan has a climate great for growing certain things for trade. Oh, people, people, I'm talking citrus fruits, hemp goes strictly for those fine rugs. Wow, look at the way the light reflects off that amber. Rudy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 31 10:01:51 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:01:51 EST Subject: And The Gods Listened... Message-ID: > > There are times in one's life when you realize that you are > in the presence of greatness... > > Not too many months ago, Carlos Santana made an appearance > @ The Gorge, a spectacular outdoor amphitheater overlooking the > mighty Columbia River in central Washington State. I went prepared > for a wonderful evening, and was not disappointed. There was a point > near the end of the set, during 'Vive La Vida', when the purity of the > musical energy being generated & the sheer splendor of the surroundings > began coalescing into one of the more beautiful moments I have ever had > the honor to witness. It was as if the Gods Of Music were descending, > to listen, dance, & take part in this transcendent moment in time... > Was this the tour with Jeff Beck opening the show? I saw that concert up here, fifth row. I'm a big fan of Carlos', but on this particular night, Jeff totally dusted Carlos. It's hard to compare the two, and I think a lot of those in attendance would disagree with my appraisal. I'm admittedly a Jeff Beck fan--much more so than Carlos, but Jeff was awe-inspiring. All the more in that he hadn't played the US in over 5 years. For me, THIS was a religious experience. > The Gods, they danced... > > My first concert experience was of similar caliber, for one simple, elegant > reason...Blue Oyster Cult. My first concert was the Seattle stop on the > Black & Blue tour, outdoors, in Memorial Stadium. I was an impressionable > 13 years old, and took in the surroundings with a genuine sense of awe, not > knowing what would soon happen to me. A band some of you may remember, > Riot, opened the show, followed by Molly Hatchet. The break between Molly > Hatchet & Blue Oyster Cult was a long one, and by the time the 'Subhumans' > took the stage, the crowd was in a frenzy. It was then that I was inducted > into the realm of Desdinova. The next hour & a half found me witness to the > spectacle that was B.O.C.. I am not much for religion, but I would swear > that > the ArchAngels themselves sat atop the Marshalls, as the music penetrated > everything within the visible spectrum... > > The Gods, they listened... > > The Snowman. _?_ > I > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! > 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: > Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm > (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! > (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snowman, What a way to be initiated into concert going. My first BOC gig was just before 'Secret Treaties' came out. And that was true spiritualism theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 31 10:09:18 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:09:18 EST Subject: And Then Came The Last Days Of May... Message-ID: > As I melted into the moment, "Then Came The Last Days Of May" > rolled in on the headphones, and I found myself watching the song > playout in the dark water. The sense of foreboding oozed out of the > music, and into my head. It was eerie, in an almost scary sense... > > As the guitar wound down after the last verse, the tape faded into > 'Astronomy', and I continued my long slow ride into darkness. Not > until side 2 ended did the harsh edges of reality snap back into focus... > > At that moment I realized that I would remember this particular night > every time I saw a full moon, and every time I hear 'Last Days Of May'. > And that, Anita, is why it is my favorite B.O.C. song... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > The Snowman. _?_ > I > Snow, My best 'Last Days' experience came at Rich Stadium [home of perennial NFL chumps Buffalo Bills] at a concert with BOC headlining, with Ted Nugent and Lynyrd Skynyrd opening. [This was about 1 week before the plane crash!] Anyway, at this time, BOC's laser light show was at its peak [as they say] My group was sufficiently primed for the experience, and during 'Last Days' they did a laser effect which somehow made the entire stage appear to be engulfed in tongues of fire. Buck blazed away in a seemingly endless solo which left everyone slack-jawed. I've seen many BOC laser shows, but that one topped them all... theo From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Jan 31 10:26:05 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:26:05 -0500 Subject: HW: New Stuff?!? Message-ID: Greetings from rainy Atlanta! _FINALLY_ got my hands on Brocks' _Strange_Trips_&_Pipe_Dreams_ and the new version of _ASAM_ (with the three extra tracks, "Dreams Of Isis", "Back On The Streets" & "Honkey Dorkey"). Haven't yet spun the ASAM CD yet, but the Brock CD, from what little I heard on the commute in this AM sounded great! It is the best thing that I have heard outta Mr. Brock _or_ HW in many a moon (at least since _Electric_Tepee_). Ya gotta get this one! As far as ASAM, I'm already familiar with the bonus tracks, so they won't be a surprise. It may have to wait until some of the new Italian prog CD's get finished spinnin'. Only thing that I am expecting is the sound quality to be different (hopefully, much better!). Don't really like the changes made to the CD artwork; the treatment of the "stone hawk" in the booklet is a little too frivolus and the deletion of the magazine title header on the back cover is uncalled for (IMHO). Oh well, I still have the LP and original CD for that artwork! Still no sign of _Alien_Am_I_ or Simon Houses' _Yassassim_. (Hey Griffen, when are ya' gonna release _AAI_ as a domestic, huh?!? You are losing sales, bud!) has anyone seen a copy of Yassassim anywhere? Spiral Galaxies' _Crystal_Jungles_Of_Eos_ has been spending quite a bit of time in the deck, _nice_ e-music! Haven't found Farflung yet, nor any Anubian Nights either. Best Buys, which used to be a great source for things Hawkwind-ish, has been pretty bad in getting new stuff in (financial difficulties, y'know). However, they did have a good stock of Eloy (including the fairly recent "Tides Return Forever", which gets a two-thumbs up _and_ a snap-snap! rating), so maybe there's hope. But, there is a trip to San Jose next week and the stores that do stock the good stuff beckon! What else is in the pipeline for things of a Hawkwind nature (been off the list for a few weeks...)? -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Jan 31 10:29:13 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:29:13 -0500 Subject: almost HW stuff Message-ID: >called Kenny & the Merry Pranksters. The only other thing of interest >(other than the book's title) is a PR party where The merry pranksters, hmmm. Electric cool aid acid test 35 years later. THE Ken Kesey is alive and well and living in Oregon, I believe. >On the new Tori Amos album (I'm only borrowing it from my mother [who >cannot be all bad as she took me to Watchfield festival]) she thanks her >travel agent, who is Dave Brock at Trinifold Travel, London. I knew things were bad for HW but didn't realise that Dave had to take a second job :-) Anyone see Tori on 120 minutes on Sunday night? Interesting lady. Martyn From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 31 10:50:18 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:50:18 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Questions? -> Answers! Message-ID: The size of the FAQ, is approximately 200K, and definitely worth making space on your hard drive for! ;-) Actually, the next rev (2.1, due out in Feb, assuming "Morning Final" gets released then as well) will take up about 250K . . . so perhaps one of these days it WILL be 4 Meg . . . John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 31 10:59:33 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:59:33 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: Doug writes: > I'm willing to bet Bolle can blow me away with the number of renditions of 'Last Days Of May' he's probably got on file. Probably, but you can probably find several good live versions of this song on several live tapes in circulation, not to mention of course, *On Your Feet . . .*. But, I find that "Last Days of May" is best listened to as the studio version -- sure, Buck's solo work on any number of live cuts is fantastic, but to really get into the mood of the song (especially as you described that night by the lake), no live rendition can top the studio version. BTW, nice of you to donate a BOC album to Boris. It's a good suggestion to send this guy stuff -- but anyone who is thinking of doing so should mention this to the list, so Boris doesn't end up with multiple copies of the same CD. So far it sounds like he's got *Fire of Unknown Origin*, *Club Ninja*, and will be getting *Secret Treaties*, along with Brain Surgeons' material. John From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Jan 31 12:16:30 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:16:30 +0100 Subject: HW: 2 compilation tape projects Message-ID: Hello There was another power failure during the CLYRO COURT gig in 1989. I think it was Alans bass amp who didn't want to work during WIND OF CHANGE . So Harvey had to play alone with the synth the rhythm of DREAM WORKER and sang SPIRIT OF THE AGE. Very exceptional. At last DREAM WORKER was played twice during that gig. AFAIK this happened only 3 times (that they played a track twice a gig). - BRIXTON 05.03.1989 (EJECTION) - NOTTINGHAM 25.01.1990 (ASSAULT & BATTERY) - CLYRO 16.09.1989 (DREAM WORKER) Bernhard From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Jan 31 14:21:00 1996 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (joel wendrow) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:21:00 -0800 Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: You wrote: > >> In a message dated 96-01-30 18:17:21 EST, you write: >> >> >If you ever make it to the Museum, ask him to play the ONE mistake BOC made >> >in their album song selection. It's a KILLER track that should have been on >> >AOF instead of "Debbie Denise"... >> > >> >R. >> > >I wish they had only made one such mistake! There are many on BOC-L >who would argue that 'Club Ninja' is one big mistake, along with much >of 'Revolution by Night! Can you share with us the name of the song >left off 'Agents?' Also, why didn't they put it on a subsequent >album? Anything after 'Spectres' could have used such a shot in the >arm [so to speak] >theo > Hi, After seeing a few Club Ninja remarks (all bad) I thought I would add my ever non-important $0.02 worth. I thought there were some very good songs on the album. Dancin' in the Ruins, Perfect Water and Spy in the House of the Night to name a few. Joel From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 31 13:39:22 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:39:22 +0000 Subject: HW: New Stuff?!? In-Reply-To: <9601311526.AA11215@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> from "Craig Shipley" at Jan 31, 96 10:26:05 am Message-ID: > Still no sign of _Alien_Am_I_ or Simon Houses' _Yassassim_. (Hey Griffen, > when are ya' gonna release _AAI_ as a domestic, huh?!? You are losing > sales, bud!) has anyone seen a copy of Yassassim anywhere? Well, _I_ have, but I'm in England, doncha know ;) No _Alien 4_ from Griffin yet? Shame on them ... Cheers, Carl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 31 15:15:52 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:15:52 EST Subject: club ninja bright spots Message-ID: > Hi, > After seeing a few Club Ninja remarks (all bad) I thought I > would add my ever non-important $0.02 worth. I thought there > were some very good songs on the album. Dancin' in the Ruins, > Perfect Water and Spy in the House of the Night to name a few. > > Joel Joel, Get used to it, pal. 'Club Ninja' is something of a pet rock among BOC-L. I liked it okay enough for 'White Flags' 'Dancin' 'Perfect Water' and 'Madness'. The rest is pretty disappointing. The band's reliance on outside songwriters is pretty hit-or-miss. The two Rob Halligan tunes [I actually went to high school with him, a grade later] are horrible. [His garage bands were awful, too! But He's made a career out of polluting good rock bands, c.f. his dreadful contributions to Judas Priest] The necessity to go outside the band, aggravated by Albert's departure, taking his fertile songwriting with him, is seen by many on BOC-L as the beginning of the band's long decline. I'm inclined to agree. theo From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Jan 31 15:13:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:13:00 EST Subject: HW: Fiction becomes Fact Message-ID: I was reading a very interesting book on cosmology this past weekend that really struck a chord. Naturally, it discussed black holes and naked singularities (a black hole without the event horizon to prevent interface). A naked singularity is a place where physical laws no longer apply and there could be energy and matter exchange with the known universe. As "proof" of the feasibility and existence of such a structure, the author pointed out that a naked singularity may be responsible for starting our universe. The rationale is that no known application of physical laws could account for formation, so the start had to occur where current laws don't apply. How in the world does this apply to HW and why am I posting this drivel? Have any of you considered what it would be like if you could get sucked into a black hole or naked singularity and live to experience it? As you may know, the acceleration provided by gravity there is at the speed of light. Relativistic time dilation takes place and time would stop at light speed. Thus, as you speed up, your experience would be that of slowing down and eventually stopping as you hit full speed, never to hit the black core. Yet, to an outside observer, you would wink out in an instant blast of energy. Which is reality? Talk about Warriors on the Edge of Time where even death dies. Time could be considered a measure of the progress of entropy and as time stopped, so would entropy. What is so great is that HW described these things well before the state of science could explain that they could be real. I'll go back to contemplating the lint in my navel now. Who has that kool aid? Rudy From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 31 15:40:57 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:40:57 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: >I wish they had only made one such mistake! There are many on BOC-L >who would argue that 'Club Ninja' is one big mistake, along with much >of 'Revolution by Night! Can you share with us the name of the song >left off 'Agents?' Also, why didn't they put it on a subsequent >album? I won't debate the merits of Club Ninja being one big mistake as it ranks DEAD LAST on my BOC list. However, I've always said that it's not a bad album, it's just a bad BOC album. You see, my standards are so much higher for BOC than for other groups... When I was at the Museum, Bolle pulled out a tape and told me that he agreed with the song selection on ALL the albums EXCEPT ONE. He said that this song should have been on AOF instead of Debbie Denise. I listened to the song, thinking it was strangely familiar. They hit the chorus and I realized what the song was. As I listened, I had to agree with Bolle. The song performance would have fit AOF precisely! (IMHO) And it would have made AOF a stronger album. Alas, it wasn't to be... I don't recall right off who wrote the song, but I believe it's one of Albert's. The name of the song? It's ... Well, what the hell. Might be fun to speculate! Consequently, I don't know that I want to say just yet. And BTW, they did put this song on a subsequent album. The song arrangement was very different (and weaker?) on the subsequent album. Any guesses? R. PS Hey Al! No guesses from you!! (Yet) From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 31 15:40:22 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:40:22 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: Hey ROBO! If you want to be a good guest at the Museum O'Cult, YOU outta bring the beer and pretzels. R. PS Be sure and share them with the Curator of the Museum... From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jan 31 16:18:55 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:18:55 -0600 Subject: HW: New Stuff?!? In-Reply-To: <9601311526.AA11215@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Craig Shipley wrote: > Still no sign of _Alien_Am_I_ or Simon Houses' _Yassassim_. (Hey Griffen, > when are ya' gonna release _AAI_ as a domestic, huh?!? You are losing > sales, bud!) has anyone seen a copy of Yassassim anywhere? Spiral Galaxies' > _Crystal_Jungles_Of_Eos_ has been spending quite a bit of time in the deck, > _nice_ e-music! Haven't found Farflung yet, nor any Anubian Nights either. A) Alien is not out yet, as you have guessed. B) Yassassim is definitely out, and M.Coleman(214/991-6621) basically hasn't ordered it yet (as of a couple of weeks ago, anyway) and RPM apparently doesn't have it yet either (went there yesterday). C) Crystal Jungles is definitely K00L, though IMO it sounds too much like the first Spiral album. D) I found both a used copy and a new copy of Farflung: 25000 Feet Per Second at RPM Records here in Dallas (Mesquite, really) around Xmas. I bought the used copy. :) E) Anubian Lights I bought at the NikWind concert, and you ought to be able to order either from Coleman, RPM, or directly from Cleopatra. Note: You can order from RPM Records via their website at http://rpmrecords.com/ They ought to still have that new copy of FarFlung. Damon Capehart | The Society of Physics Students at UTD dcapehar at utdallas.edu | (yes, even though I'm actually a math major) -- Call the Physics Friends Hotline. -- -- Find out about your special density! -- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 31 16:19:35 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:19:35 EST Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: > I won't debate the merits of Club Ninja being one big mistake as it ranks > DEAD LAST on my BOC list. However, I've always said that it's not a bad > album, it's just a bad BOC album. You see, my standards are so much higher > for BOC than for other groups... > You said that correctly. 'Ninja would be a great album from any other band. > When I was at the Museum, Bolle pulled out a tape and told me that he agreed > with the song selection on ALL the albums EXCEPT ONE. He said that this song > should have been on AOF instead of Debbie Denise. I listened to the song, > thinking it was strangely familiar. They hit the chorus and I realized what > the song was. As I listened, I had to agree with Bolle. The song > performance would have fit AOF precisely! (IMHO) And it would have made AOF > a stronger album. Alas, it wasn't to be... > > I don't recall right off who wrote the song, but I believe it's one of > Albert's. The name of the song? It's ... > > Well, what the hell. Might be fun to speculate! Consequently, I don't know > that I want to say just yet. And BTW, they did put this song on a subsequent > album. The song arrangement was very different (and weaker?) on the > subsequent album. > > Any guesses? > > R. > > PS Hey Al! No guesses from you!! (Yet) You kind of tipped your hand. It's got to be something from 'Imaginos?' Which one, I've no idea... theo From lansford at VNET.NET Wed Jan 31 17:52:06 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:52:06 GMT Subject: Big Mistakes In-Reply-To: <960131154056_308441912@mail04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Rocker22 at aol.com wrote: >When I was at the Museum, Bolle pulled out a tape and told me that he agreed >with the song selection on ALL the albums EXCEPT ONE. He said that this song >should have been on AOF instead of Debbie Denise. I listened to the song, >thinking it was strangely familiar. They hit the chorus and I realized what >the song was. As I listened, I had to agree with Bolle. The song >performance would have fit AOF precisely! (IMHO) And it would have made AOF >a stronger album. Alas, it wasn't to be... > >I don't recall right off who wrote the song, but I believe it's one of >Albert's. The name of the song? It's ... > >Well, what the hell. Might be fun to speculate! Consequently, I don't know >that I want to say just yet. And BTW, they did put this song on a subsequent >album. The song arrangement was very different (and weaker?) on the >subsequent album. I assume this means the song showed up on a later BOC album? Several tBS tunes were originally written for AoF. Hmmm, that leaves two of Albert's and one of Allen's songs, but the Lanier tune didn't undergo much of a rewrite. I'll toss one more hint into the fire; at least one of Albert's two was =not= later released on Imaginos. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- No Team -- No Peace Save Our Browns http://melkor.multiverse.com/sob/ -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Wed Jan 31 17:55:36 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:55:36 -0600 Subject: Big Mistakes In-Reply-To: <4195D9E59B1@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Jan 31, 96 04:19:35 pm Message-ID: >> I don't recall right off who wrote the song, but I believe it's one of >> Albert's. The name of the song? It's ... >> >> Well, what the hell. Might be fun to speculate! Consequently, I don't know >> that I want to say just yet. And BTW, they did put this song on a subsequent >> album. The song arrangement was very different (and weaker?) on the >> subsequent album. >> >> Any guesses? >> >> R. >> >> PS Hey Al! No guesses from you!! (Yet) > >You kind of tipped your hand. It's got to be something from >'Imaginos?' Which one, I've no idea... No... If anyone has my review of my last trip to the Museum, it's in there... Of course, that was coming on 2 years ago... I don't really see how anyone will be able to guess which one it is, but for what it's worth: It is one of Albert's, and Al was still with the band when this follow up version was released if it helps anyone figure it out... Hansel & Gretel also came from the AOF time period if I recall correctly. -Bryan From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Jan 31 17:55:45 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:55:45 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: >Any guesses? "Shadow of California (Half-Life Time)", I suppose. - Andy ObCD: Laura Pausini - _Laura Pausini_ From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 31 17:25:50 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:25:50 GMT Subject: HW: tape query Message-ID: Bernard: - or anyone else that has this tape - your assistance please! I need some Codex help: Did Hawkwind play the track "Hi-Tech Cities" at the Leicester gig on 5 November 1990? Theoretically they should have done since it appears on the Italian CD but I haven't got that tape so can't check it myself. Many thanks! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed Jan 31 18:43:21 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:43:21 EST Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: My guess is Fire of Unknown Origin. This is based on what I remember from Bryan's posts ages ago. I kept one of the posts for awhile and the names C.C. Voodoo, Gun, Devil's Hangnail, and Boorman the Chauffeur come to mind, but I'm sure I've forgotten quite a few. The mystery song in question is hanging out on the fringe of my memory. Sometimes I've felt like leaving school and driving from NY to California just so I could hear some of these songs! My best bet is the *real* box set rumor though. Brian From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Wed Jan 31 19:49:10 1996 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:49:10 -0500 Subject: HW: 2 compilation tape projects Message-ID: > > > > > Stonehenge 84 : 2nd show Spirit of the age > > Nik recites something else cant remember what song though. > Actually this reminds me doesn't Dave skip a line in Spirit of the age from 'Live 79' (and throughout the 79 tour), Like Bernhard said, they don't even care if they *release* the screwups ! PS thanks for checking the Images stuff, phewww One less CD to worry about. PPS Jill didn't we establish the Hi Tech cities to be a studio track a while back ? I think I remeber this ? Cheers, Steve L. From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Wed Jan 31 20:31:13 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:31:13 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: >You wrote: >> >>> In a message dated 96-01-30 18:17:21 EST, you write: >>> >>> >If you ever make it to the Museum, ask him to play the ONE mistake >BOC made >>> >in their album song selection. It's a KILLER track that should >have been on >>> >AOF instead of "Debbie Denise"... >>> > >>> >R. >>> > >>I wish they had only made one such mistake! There are many on BOC-L >>who would argue that 'Club Ninja' is one big mistake, along with much >>of 'Revolution by Night! Can you share with us the name of the song >>left off 'Agents?' Also, why didn't they put it on a subsequent >>album? Anything after 'Spectres' could have used such a shot in the >>arm [so to speak] >>theo >> > Hi, > After seeing a few Club Ninja remarks (all bad) I thought I > would add my ever non-important $0.02 worth. I thought there > were some very good songs on the album. Dancin' in the Ruins, > Perfect Water and Spy in the House of the Night to name a few. > > Joel > > I agree with Joel - and madness to the method was pretty good also. Shawn From brendah at MBAY.NET Wed Jan 31 00:09:58 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:09:58 -0800 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: Rocker22 at AOL.COM wrote: > > Martyn: > > BOC produced the Online T with the Reaper. They're in the process of doing > another new T. The decision was down to the BOC album cover or the T&M album > cover. I don't recall which cover won. I saw a T&M shirt at the concert (on some guy). I have a "Career of Evil" shirt I shoulda warn, but didn't. > Also, Buck has produced a Flat Out T-shirt. E-mail DharmaT at aol.com for > details. He may be able to give you the ordering details on the BOC shirts > too. Cool! I might. Of course, they're on tour now... Brenda --- []]]]]]]] Brenda Holloway brendah at mbay.net [[[[[[[[] [[ ]]]]]] Sony New Technologies, Monterey, CA [[[[[[ ]] [[[ ]]]] http://www.sonysoft.com/brenda/ [[[[ ]]] [[[[ ]]] http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ [[[ ]]]] [[[[[ ] C Coder. C Coder Run. Run, Coder, Run. [ ]]]]] From brendah at MBAY.NET Wed Jan 31 00:14:39 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:14:39 -0800 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Questions? -> Answers! Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > > Just got through a bunch of posts on BOC-L, and it appears we have some > new members, or returning old members. Also, there was a question > regarding BOC videos. For those of you who don't know, I just wanted > to let you know that there is a BOC FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) > available which may answer many of the questions you ask. Hi! Yes, I searched for and read the FAQ before I rejoined the list. It told me a lot of stuff I didn't know (in fact, it seems I didn't know much at all!) I joined the list the first time around a couple of years back because I was caught up in Imaginos, and was trying, on my own, to decipher the lyrics. I left the list just about when the official lyrics came out... But out of all the bands I really enjoy, it's BOC I keep coming back to see live. I just saw them last week (I can hear again, thanks for asking). I wouldn't go see other 70s bands so faithfully; I don't go to Yes concerts, or ELP, or Deep Purple... there's something about BOC - they never seem to go stale. Though I wouldn't mind if they were a little more experimental on stage with their set-list; that's something I really enjoy about many modern bands like, say, Phish. Brenda --- []]]]]]]] Brenda Holloway brendah at mbay.net [[[[[[[[] [[ ]]]]]] Sony New Technologies, Monterey, CA [[[[[[ ]] [[[ ]]]] http://www.sonysoft.com/brenda/ [[[[ ]]] [[[[ ]]] http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ [[[ ]]]] [[[[[ ] C Coder. C Coder Run. Run, Coder, Run. [ ]]]]] From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Jan 31 22:43:47 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:43:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Fiction becomes Fact Message-ID: I have just finished an amazing book entitled 'Cosmic Voyage' by Courtney Brown Ph.D It deals with a process called Scientific Remote Veiwing. According to the author the Aliens are here, there and everywhere! Mike Moorcock's multiverse theory is proven correct as are various HW concepts. A must read for all serious Hawk fans. You will ask yourself, after reading this book, How the hell did they know? The book is published by Dutton a division of Penguin. regards, Bill Stewart From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Jan 30 16:00:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:00:00 PST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 17 Jan 1996Mike Watt Agian Message-ID: Thanx for the reply Bryan. I just rec'd this today, talk about snail mail. Was thumbing thru the Funkadelic FAQ/Discography and saw that Watt had recorded a cover. There was no mention of Bernie Worrell appearing on the album though. How does it sound? > Is anyone familiar with Mike Watt's cover of the song Maggot Brain? I > believe it appears on an album called Ball Hog orTugboat? Any help would be > appreciated. > >That's right, _Ball Hog or Tugboat?_. Maggot Brain is a Funkadelic song from >their album of the same name. On Mike Watt's version, the ex-Funkadelic >keys player Bernie Worrell plays keys, and J.Mascis of Dinosaur Jr. plays the >lead guitar. >-Bryan Quick Notes: The next directory update should occur around Feb 9, 1996. New subscribers can be listed on the voluntary directory by sending to me directly (please do not post to the list) information in the following format: Name: Handle: E-mail Address: Primary Band: (either HW or BOC whichever was the reason for joining the list.) Also John or Al or Deb, radio guy I talked to wanted to know where he could get a promo of the Brain Surgeons. I think John published the address for the "write the mags campaign", but I can't seem to find it. Five in the Player Recently Operation Mindcrime (Queensryche) Gary Hoey (Gary Hoey) Workshop of the Telescopes (BOC) In the Blood (Better than Ezra) Musically Incorrect (Y&T) AB From m.s.wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Jan 3 12:32:39 1996 From: m.s.wright at READING.AC.UK (Big Mike Wright) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:32:39 +0000 Subject: HW is this Stacia Message-ID: Dan Witt wrote: > > I've come across a few photos of the original Alice Cooper Group posing > with a female that I believe is Stacia. I believe the photos originate > from 1972 > http://www.earthlink.net/~hawkwind1/index.html > > Just click on the Alice Cooper photo section. They're the last 2 pics. > If anybody can confirm or deny this is Stacia please do so. I too think the 2nd photo is Stacia, but am more sure that the two women are not the same. For example the 2nd woman has a wide bangle on her left wrist which the 1st woman doesn't. Also the 1st woman has sun tanned areas, which the 2nd doesn't. The other thing that convinces me that they are taken at different times is that the band are different, and Alice isn't wearing the same clothes. So that is what I think Mikew